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Title: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on February 25, 2015, 11:47:08 AM
Old one here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=65.0

Honorary OP: TAC

**********DO NOT POST INFO ABOUT THE NEW ALBUM.  THERE IS A DEDICATED THREAD FOR THAT*****************
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on February 25, 2015, 11:48:50 AM
Nick, why do you keep locking active threads and starting new ones after I have repeatedly said not to do so?  This is getting really annoying.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on February 25, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Dammit Nick!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: theseoafs on February 25, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
hav uguys ever heard of the numbor of the beast? it's pretty good
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2015, 12:04:15 PM
hav uguys ever heard of the numbor of the beast? it's pretty good

Yea Dream Theater is a good band
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 25, 2015, 12:07:57 PM
Hey guys, are you in a band or something?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 25, 2015, 01:34:14 PM
Thread title grinds

:lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2015, 03:40:42 PM
That thread title pisses me off!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on February 26, 2015, 03:58:09 PM
You could say Nick is a devil....
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on February 26, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
That thread title pisses me off!
Yeah and the fact that I've been the OP to the Iron Maiden thread since 2008!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
You could say Nick is a devil....

And I wouldn't say no.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on February 26, 2015, 09:51:53 PM
Iron Maiden still rules!!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on February 27, 2015, 03:32:47 AM
Happy birthday, Adrian!

(https://guitarism.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Adrian-Smith-Jackson.jpg)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 27, 2015, 03:49:27 AM
Happy B-Day Adrian!

(https://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv225/partalova/HappyBirthdayIronMaidenEddie.jpg)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2015, 04:17:24 AM
That thread title pisses me off!
Yeah and the fact that I've been the OP to the Iron Maiden thread since 2008!

Yeah, does that does suck bro.

Happy Birthday H.  One of my all time greatest influences on the guitar, amazing player.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2015, 04:18:44 AM
happy b-day!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2015, 04:26:20 AM
Saw an ad yesterday for a new movie called Seventh Son.  I wonder if Maiden will get on the soundtrack or anything.  Doubt it though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2015, 05:40:00 AM
Happy birthday Adrian!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on February 27, 2015, 08:13:55 AM
Good news:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/new-iron-maiden-album-is-ready-to-go-says-drummer-nicko-mcbrain/
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on February 27, 2015, 08:20:36 AM
:metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2015, 08:36:46 AM
Wow amazing news  :metal :metal

I thought there was a good chance they had secretly recorded an album, but with the news of Bruce's cancer I thought it was possible that got scrapped or pushed back since there was never any official announcement of anything.  Well I guess it is still getting pushed back, but from the wording, it sounds like its already completed. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 27, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
Yea I was wondering, did he mean as in finished completly or to actually start recording the songs??
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2015, 09:31:25 AM
Yea I was wondering, did he mean as in finished completly or to actually start recording the songs??

Its vague, but "ready to go" to me means its recorded and given they had that christmas card with Eddie in the studio, that would make sense and its possible Bruce recorded the vocals before he noticed he had cancer.  BUt thats all speculation on my part. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2015, 09:57:32 AM
Awesome news!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
Honorary OP: TAC
:lol
 :metal


Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 27, 2015, 02:30:38 PM
Shitchyess new album. 

Happy Birthday H.  One of my all time greatest influences on the guitar, amazing player.

Seconded. HBH
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2015, 03:06:59 PM
Good news about the album.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Counselor of Prog on February 27, 2015, 03:28:48 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2015, 03:33:11 PM
Good news about the album.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on March 05, 2015, 05:27:58 AM
"Bruce has asked me to thank everyone for their tremendous support and kind wishes. He has been extremely touched and encouraged by the genuine and affectionate response from our global family of Maiden fans.

Radiology is cumulative and continues to build in the body for around three weeks after treatment, so even though Bruce’s seven week course is completed, he’s had a long period of considerable pain and discomfort. He is happily now starting to recuperate and the pain will continue to abate and the swelling to reduce for the next couple of months at which time he will be able take an MRI scan. It is not until then that we will have full confirmation that the cancer has been completely destroyed. However prognosis continues to be extremely good and everyone is optimistic for a full recovery. Following the scan, we will officially update you on our website at the appropriate time, probably in late May.

After that, it will take a few more months for Bruce to get back to full fitness. Naturally the rest of the band are totally supportive and Maiden’s plans will be determined by Bruce’s progress.
Please continue your positive thoughts. They are very much appreciated.

Thanks
Rod Smallwood"
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 05, 2015, 06:36:10 AM
This whole thing sucks.  Keep your head up Bruce, get well.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 05, 2015, 07:18:10 AM
Good to get an update. Hopefully things continue to improve.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on March 05, 2015, 08:12:29 AM
Good to get an update. Hopefully things continue to improve.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 06, 2015, 03:58:58 AM
Get well Bruce!!

In the mean time let's enjoy some great moments from Mr Airsiren himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKTRxkQnRG8

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2015, 05:30:03 AM
Get well Bruce!!

In the mean time let's enjoy some great moments from Mr Airsiren himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKTRxkQnRG8

Love the power outage during Powerslave moment at MSG. Mostly because I was there and somewhat backstage atm, but also because of the coincidence.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on March 10, 2015, 08:40:36 AM
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 09:43:03 AM
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.

All of those are true except the editing and video/audio quality which I find to be waaayyyy better on En Vivo. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on March 10, 2015, 10:41:14 AM
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.

All of those are true except the editing and video/audio quality which I find to be waaayyyy better on En Vivo. 

Rio could be a definitive video for metal if it wasn't for the godawful editing.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2015, 02:19:43 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on March 10, 2015, 02:38:59 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.

love it too!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2015, 02:59:55 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

Yeah, I never understood people complaining so much about Rio when IMO DOTR's editing is ten times worse.  It's alright, Bruce doesn't sound that strong on this one though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 03:00:57 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

The video footage of that concert really is amazing.  Paschendale is one of the best single songs from a concert in IM's vast DVD collection.  Sadly the video is really brought down by the editing.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2015, 03:02:12 PM
I have often heard the complaint about Bruce and DOTR. But I have never had an issue. The album has so much more of a live sound.

And yes, Cram, I completely agree. Beautiful footage, from the film to the camera angles.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on March 10, 2015, 03:20:48 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

Yeah, I never understood people complaining so much about Rio when IMO DOTR's editing is ten times worse.  It's alright, Bruce doesn't sound that strong on this one though.

Don't make any mistake about it, DotR is horrible from an editing perspective as well.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2015, 04:09:54 PM
I have often heard the complaint about Bruce and DOTR. But I have never had an issue. The album has so much more of a live sound.

He's not bad at all, just a little under his usual standard.  It doesn't affect my enjoyment of the concert at all.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on March 10, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Watching DOTR for the first time.  Any complaints about the editing are deserved.  The shot changes are so quick that I am never really sure what I am seeing.  I feel like I am constantly having to fight the urge to have seizures.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2015, 04:23:10 PM
Watching DOTR for the first time.  Any complaints about the editing are deserved.  The shot changes are so quick that I am never really sure what I am seeing.  I feel like I am constantly having to fight the urge to have seizures.
It's brutal.
I can make it only through a song or two at a time. Damned shame. Such glorious footage.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 10, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
I never had a problem with the footage until it was brought to my attention. Fortunately I have the CD version to listen to.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 10, 2015, 07:58:18 PM
Rio>DOTR.  Rio's editing is slightly more palatable, and the setlist is killer.  If only Nicko's snare didn't start shitting itself St Anger-style towards the end :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
I never had a problem with the footage until it was brought to my attention. Fortunately I have the CD version to listen to.

Listening again today.  The audio is pretty good.

Rio>DOTR.  Rio's editing is slightly more palatable, and the setlist is killer. 

Yeah, I think I would give RIR the slight edge as well.  But En Vivo! beats them both, IMO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2015, 10:58:46 AM
It is interesting to me how each area of the stage at a Maiden show has its own personality based on the members that typically occupy that area.  I know I am not saying anything that has not been observed by millions of Maiden fans, but I'll say it anyway:

Upstage center:  There are a lot of drums there.  We think there might be a drummer hiding somewhere behind them.  From the sound of it, it is very busy back there.  But he is minding his own business and appears to like it that way.

Downstage left:  Bass player and guitar player that are in constant motion.  They never stop.  Ever.  A lot of the time, they are jumping.  Must have been lots of caffeine before the show.

Downstage right:  Two guitar players.  One smiles.  One does not.  They are all business.

Everywhere else:  Bruce is there, seemingly all at once.  He is the front man.  Let there be no mistake about it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 11, 2015, 11:31:44 AM
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on March 11, 2015, 12:03:37 PM
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?

"Might?" The only other contender has been dead for over twenty years now! :lol

But I do agree: Bruce is one of those frontmen who really does feel like they're actually larger than life. He owns that stage, man. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
Yup, there is no frontman like Mr. Dickinson.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 11, 2015, 09:27:45 PM
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?

He definitely is.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on March 11, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Yep Bruce is by far the best at his craft. Only rivaled by Freddie Mercury for me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on March 11, 2015, 11:49:09 PM
I've been fortunate enough to see many of the greats in action live over the years. Bruce is the man.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on March 12, 2015, 01:02:18 AM
His energy is amazing
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on March 12, 2015, 06:32:29 AM
Yep Bruce is by far the best at his craft. Only rivaled by Freddie Mercury for me.

Yup, Mercury was who I was referring to in my previous post.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on March 12, 2015, 06:35:07 AM
Happy birthday, Steve Harris! :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2015, 06:38:17 AM
Happy birthday, Steve Harris! :metal

Nice!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on March 12, 2015, 09:58:23 AM
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2015, 10:15:42 AM
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Yes, it's incredible.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2015, 10:46:38 AM
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Yes, it's incredible.

 :tup very well done and just an awesome story
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on March 12, 2015, 12:59:03 PM
Happy birthday, Steve Harris! :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 12, 2015, 01:02:46 PM
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Saw that at the cinema, such a cool thing hearing people applaud and cheering along during the songs. The production quality is top notch and a treat for any fan of the band.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on March 20, 2015, 08:27:27 PM
I was just listening to A Matter of Life and Death again.   Just an amazing album.   I'm always so floored when a band releases some of their best material over 30 years into their career.   

I'm not sure if anyone will understand what I'm trying to say when I say...  Brave New World sounded like the guys got together and said "Let's write an Iron Maiden album", but A Matter of Life and Death sounds like the guys got together and said, "WE ARE Iron Maiden...now let's write an album."   

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on March 21, 2015, 01:01:26 PM
So I'm not sure whether to do this in this thread or in the polls/survivors, but I came up with an idea for sort of a Classic Maiden vs. Reunion Era showdown. I picked 25 songs from each era, using both the most popular/most obvious ones and also ones that seemed to be favorites on this board. (Caveat: had to put the '90s songs in with the 2000s) In doing this I had to leave out some personal faves (and maybe some of yours?). Anyway, the next step was to come up with pairings. There was no easy method for this and it just came down to process of elimination at the end. Here is what I came up with, with my personal winners in bold.

Is anyone on board with this? Or should I move it to the other subforum? The plan is to make a new bracket after a week or 2 using the survivors from this round, plus a dark horse (The Prisoner or The Alchemist for example) added in to keep it at a round number, and keeping the eras against each other. Just really curious to see which era wins each round. Of course if one era makes a clean sweep or close to it than I guess I wasted my time  :lol.

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home (my hardest decision believe it or not)
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 21, 2015, 02:46:27 PM

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on March 21, 2015, 03:16:59 PM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy

Yeah, I prefer the "classic" Maiden era :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Jaq on March 21, 2015, 03:28:34 PM
I love modern Maiden, but there's too many classics from their 80s stuff for me to do that and it not wind up a first rate beatdown for the classics.  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 21, 2015, 04:11:27 PM
Haven't listened to much Iron Maiden in a long time, but I'll try this just based off of which one I have a more positive impression of at this moment.

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs The Wicker Man
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs The Legacy

14-11... Pretty close, but the classics did better than I thought they would.

A lot of these were extremely close matches for me. I love For The Greater Good of God, but I couldn't pull the trigger against Hallowed Be Thy Name. I could just barely pull the trigger against Rime and Seventh Son for When the Wild Wind Blows and The Legacy respectively. But honestly that's a collection of 6 tracks that probably all belong in my top ten.

This has me thinking... Maiden was the first band I really got into, but I never made a top songs list for them. Maybe I'll do a discography run and see about doing that.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 21, 2015, 04:46:10 PM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind - this probably just comes down to NOTB being overplayed, it's probably a stronger song.
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day - ditto.
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross - fucking tough choice, but Revelations has my favourite H moments (solo and riff after <3 )
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying - average Maiden vs well-underrated Maiden.
11. The Trooper vs The Wicker Man
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows - no contest
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman - another tough one, I really like Journeyman (perhaps this would be better off paired against Prodigal Son?)
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs The Legacy
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Post by: Mladen on March 22, 2015, 03:34:04 AM
Ooh, this will be fun.

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
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Post by: Scorpion on March 22, 2015, 04:42:53 AM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy

13-12 in favour of the Classic Era. That sounds about right  - I love both eras for different reasons, but about equally.
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Post by: wolfking on March 22, 2015, 04:45:16 AM
I'm in;

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Sonvs Legacy

Some really good matchups in there, well done.
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Post by: Plasmastrike on March 22, 2015, 08:30:18 AM
I never understood head to head song matchups. How about ranking the songs and seeing if classic or reunion has most albums at the top?
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Post by: Nick on March 22, 2015, 08:39:34 AM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 22, 2015, 09:20:54 AM
I pick the 80s song for every matchup
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Post by: Zydar on March 22, 2015, 09:23:01 AM
:tup

By the way, today in 1982 a certain album called 'The Number Of The Beast' was released!
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Post by: TAC on March 22, 2015, 09:25:13 AM
:tup

By the way, today in 1982 a certain album called 'The Number Of The Beast' was released!

Awesome! I heard it was pretty good.
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 22, 2015, 10:20:40 AM
:tup

By the way, today in 1982 a certain album called 'The Number Of The Beast' was released!

I'll check it out
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Post by: The King in Crimson on March 22, 2015, 02:39:56 PM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale (this matchup is not fair :p)
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
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Post by: Scorpion on March 22, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.
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Post by: PowerSlave on March 22, 2015, 05:40:27 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

I think it's well done, and it's a step out of their normal comfort zone. One of the reasons that I like Dance of Death (the album) so much is that they do this quite frequently on that album as well. Many of the songs aren't "cliche'" maiden songs, and they do a very good job with them. It's nice to see a band change it up from time to time.
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Post by: TAC on March 22, 2015, 05:51:30 PM
Musically, it's not very strong, but I love the lyrics to Wasted Years.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 22, 2015, 06:08:46 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

I think it's well done, and it's a step out of their normal comfort zone. One of the reasons that I like Dance of Death (the album) so much is that they do this quite frequently on that album as well. Many of the songs aren't "cliche'" maiden songs, and they do a very good job with them. It's nice to see a band change it up from time to time.

I'm all for changing up formulas, but I just think the result is painfully lacking on Wasted Years. Most of Dance of Death does it far better.
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Post by: Mister Gold on March 22, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind

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Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 22, 2015, 07:04:10 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

I think it's well done, and it's a step out of their normal comfort zone. One of the reasons that I like Dance of Death (the album) so much is that they do this quite frequently on that album as well. Many of the songs aren't "cliche'" maiden songs, and they do a very good job with them. It's nice to see a band change it up from time to time.

I'm all for changing up formulas, but I just think the result is painfully lacking on Wasted Years. Most of Dance of Death does it far better.

Wasted Years is awesome, and I'd agree that it works well as a departure from standard Maiden.  Plus it's got one of H's greatest solos.  I put this and Stranger in a Strange Land in the same basket; both out of the box Maiden songs that show that the band can write catchy, radio-friendly hooks if they so desire.  I reckon a lot of it depends on how much you value Adrian's contributions to Maiden - I happen to think he's their strongest songwriter when he gets going.

I love the lyrics to Wasted Years.

Wasted Years was THE singalong moment of the concert I saw them at.  Just so epic and nostalgic.  It takes me back to my younger years, chilling in my older brother's room on a warm sunny day playing hooky and thrashing Maiden. <3
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on March 22, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

You spelled "incredible" wrong.

Wasted Years rules.  That is all.  :metal
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Post by: jammindude on March 22, 2015, 08:02:49 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

I'll never get why people love, or even like, the entire Somewhere in Time album.    Wasted Years is one of the not so bad moments.  My personal favorite is Sea of Madness.   Stranger in a Strange Land is decent.   Heaven Can Wait is better live than on the album. 

After the first 5 albums of nearly top to bottom perfection, SiT just seemed very 'meh'...
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Post by: 425 on March 22, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
Wasted Years is awesome, and I'd agree that it works well as a departure from standard Maiden.  Plus it's got one of H's greatest solos.  I put this and Stranger in a Strange Land in the same basket; both out of the box Maiden songs that show that the band can write catchy, radio-friendly hooks if they so desire.  I reckon a lot of it depends on how much you value Adrian's contributions to Maiden - I happen to think he's their strongest songwriter when he gets going.

Agree 100%. Honestly, this is true of a lot of Somewhere In Time. It's a very Adrian-heavy album, which I love, and it's a definite modification of the Maiden formula that had been used on the last three albums at least. Caught Somewhere In Time, Wasted Years and Stranger In a Strange Land are not songs you would have found on Powerslave. It's a shame they've always neglected this album so much live. Nowadays they only play Wasted Years and Heaven Can Wait. Would love for them to bring out Stranger In a Strange Land or Alexander the Great.

I'll never get why people love, or even like, the entire Somewhere in Time album.    Wasted Years is one of the not so bad moments.  My personal favorite is Sea of Madness.   Stranger in a Strange Land is decent.   Heaven Can Wait is better live than on the album. 

After the first 5 albums of nearly top to bottom perfection, SiT just seemed very 'meh'...

I'll grant that Deja Vu and even The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner are fairly unremarkable songs. But the other six tracks are stellar, in my opinion.

And I have to say... Powerslave is praised up and down, but it has four very mediocre songs right in the middle. Yes Aces High, 2 Minutes to Midnight, the title track and Rime of the Ancient Mariner are all classics, but there's a lot of... well, meh on that album.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 22, 2015, 09:46:29 PM
I'll never get why people love, or even like, the entire Somewhere in Time album.    Wasted Years is one of the not so bad moments.  My personal favorite is Sea of Madness.   Stranger in a Strange Land is decent.   Heaven Can Wait is better live than on the album. 

After the first 5 albums of nearly top to bottom perfection, SiT just seemed very 'meh'...

I'll grant that Deja Vu and even The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner are fairly unremarkable songs. But the other six tracks are stellar, in my opinion.

And I have to say... Powerslave is praised up and down, but it has four very mediocre songs right in the middle. Yes Aces High, 2 Minutes to Midnight, the title track and Rime of the Ancient Mariner are all classics, but there's a lot of... well, meh on that album.

SIT > Powerslave.  Not by much though.  Like, I really rate Losfer Words and Flash of the Blade, but not more than Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner or Deja Vu.  Well, Deja Vu is kinda crap.  SIT is definitely stronger all round though, and Alexander the Great is far better structured than Rime - which is basically only an epic thanks to the 4 minutes of volume swirls in the middle. 

EDIT:  I get the feeling that Powerslave is more liked by folk who have a soft spot for Power Metal whereas SIT probably appeals more to the Progressive, maybe even progressive pop sorta crowd.  Songs like Flash of the Blade and The Duellists kinda fit in with my idea of what Power Metal is, along with songs like Quest for Fire and Sun and Steel.  But that might just be my subliminal idea that Power Metal is basically sub-par cheese fests, I dunno.  :lol
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Post by: jammindude on March 22, 2015, 09:55:16 PM
Never got the hate for the middle portion of PS.   Losfer Words is my favorite IM instrumental (ya...I said it).   And FotB is one of the coolest IM riffs there is. 

And don't get me started on Back in the Villiage.  What a scorcher!   Better than anything on SiT
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Post by: Nick on March 22, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
While I would say that the middle of Powerslave is far too overlooked, and that it is an excellent album because it is 4 strong tracks bookended by 4 amazing tracks, if you think BitV is better than anything from SiT... I just don't know what to say.
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Post by: jammindude on March 22, 2015, 10:06:56 PM
Maybe I'm biased because it's another "Prisoner" song.   But I think that riff really shreds loops around many other IM songs.
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Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2015, 05:35:16 AM
The middle four songs of PS are obviously a little weaker, but really, not much.  Those four songs show so much depth and some of the most intricate and layered instrumental sections the band have ever produced.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: theseoafs on March 23, 2015, 11:11:03 AM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 11:54:24 AM
The middle four songs of PS are obviously a little weaker, but really, not much.  Those four songs show so much depth and some of the most intricate and layered instrumental sections the band have ever produced.
Agreed. The instrumental part of The Duelists is my favorite part of the album.

When Powerslave came out, I did not care for it. In fact, I probably would've skipped the tour had Accept not opened. I just felt that while the band was growing with each album, I didn't feel Powerslave continued that path.
I loved Somewhere In Time when it came out because it sounded so fresh, where I thought Powerslave sounded contrived and stale.

And while Caught Somewhere In Time is still a Top 5 Maiden track for me, the album hasn't aged all that well, whereas I feel Powerslave has aged better. Go figure.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 11:59:01 AM
SiT is probably my second favorite album behind A Matter of Life and Death. 

Wasted Years, Loneliness, and Deja Vu are great songs IMO.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on March 23, 2015, 12:16:26 PM
SiT is probably my second favorite album behind A Matter of Life and Death. 

Wasted Years, Loneliness, and Deja Vu are great songs IMO.


When "Somewhere In Time" was released I was not a fan of Iron Maiden's new sound which was relying more and more heavily on synths.   But for some reason when "7th Son" came out, I loved it despite the synths and then I went back to SiT and it hit me like a 2 ton heavy thing.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 12:21:01 PM
That's interesting, Kirk. When you think about it, Seventh Son is really a marriage of the Powerslave and Somewhere In Time styles.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 01:00:18 PM
Apparently a lot of the IM fans at the time of release of SiT were not big fans but were able to go back and realize how awesome it is.  I think like Kirk said, the synths threw a lot of fans off.  People like myself who didn't become fans until after reunion, see the album from a different view (maybe because synths in metal is common?).  Sadly, it seems like the members of IM think lowly on the album themselves. 
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 01:15:50 PM
It's still my favorite tour from them.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 01:47:44 PM
It's still my favorite tour from them.

I wish there was a professional recording from that tour.  Ive seen the Paris boot so I got the idea of how the show looked and all, but that tour really deserved a proper video.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 02:21:07 PM
It's still my favorite tour from them.

I wish there was a professional recording from that tour.  Ive seen the Paris boot so I got the idea of how the show looked and all, but that tour really deserved a proper video.
Have you seen the bootleg from Troy NY? I think I've had the boot since 1988 and it's still one of my all time favorite boots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzDfYZK1nSM

The Sheffield '86 one is pretty good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBADdLUvidA
Bruce sounds terrible!
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 23, 2015, 02:33:56 PM
People like myself who didn't become fans until after reunion, see the album from a different view (maybe because synths in metal is common?). 

I became a fan post-reunion and SiT and SSoaSS are toward the bottom of my rankings, and 2 of their albums (along with FotD) that I never listen to (the only one I do not have is NPftD).
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 02:48:20 PM
You're missing out on some good stuff there, Chris. Lots of great songs on FOTD.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 02:59:40 PM
and thats where I disagree... FotD and NPftD are two of their worst albums, sure a few good songs, but not good albums.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 03:02:23 PM
No Prayer is definitely one of their worst, but Fear Of The Dark is to me, 8 songs deep. It was the first album they made in the CD age, and is about 3 songs way too long. Now in its totality, Fear is definitely near the bottom, so I think we are in agreement somewhat.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 23, 2015, 03:36:42 PM
The only worthwhile songs on Fear are Afraid to Shoot Strangers and Judas Be My Guide, imho. The title track is extremely boring in the studio version, and the rest is just awful. I'd take No Prayer over it any day of the week. The title track on that one is better than the entirety of Fear already.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
I remember when No Prayer came out and it was clear right away that it was their weakest album. But when Fear came out I was so happy that Maiden was rocking again. Yeah some definite filler but lots of great tunes.
And while the title track is so freaking amazing live, and we've had 23 years worth of live versions, I vividly remember rolling down my windows and cranking the motherfucker out.

One major issue that Fear has is that it is easily Bruce's worst performance on a Maiden album.
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Post by: Jaq on March 23, 2015, 03:49:27 PM
I loved Somewhere In Time on release, but it was the first album by Maiden that people kind of went "huh" towards, and at the time, Seventh Son was a massive disappointment for a lot of people. Which sounds unbelievable given that a lot of people love it massively today, but back then it just didn't work well with Maiden's US fanbase at least. It grew on me over the years, but I still prefer SiT to it.

No Prayer is the worse Dickinson album and Fear of the Dark is about four songs too long.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 03:57:27 PM
No Prayer is the worse Dickinson album and Fear of the Dark is about four songs too long.
Agreed.

and at the time, Seventh Son was a massive disappointment for a lot of people. Which sounds unbelievable given that a lot of people love it massively today, but back then it just didn't work well with Maiden's US fanbase at least.
The people I knew loved it, but its issue, to me, was that Can I Play With Madness sucks, and it made a horrible single. Not sure any non Maiden fan could relate to it, and for Maiden fans, it was way to heavy on the keyboards, especially in the chorus. Thankfully the rest of the album kicked ass. I think if they had released The Evil That Men Do first, it would've had more of a chance.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
I actually loved Can I Play With Madness when I first started getting into IM, likely cause it was a single so it was a song I had come across that sparked my interest... but yea now that I am knowledgable in their entire catalogue, its not a good song in comparison and I wish theyd stop playing it live.
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Post by: Nick on March 23, 2015, 04:15:15 PM
I can say without a doubt that No Prayer is the worst Bruce album. I honestly don't even know what other album would even come into the discussion.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 04:16:26 PM
I can say without a doubt that No Prayer is the worst Bruce album. I honestly don't even know what other album would even come into the discussion.

Id only rate V11 as a worse IM album but that doesnt have Bruce and Im not even sure it is a worse album.  The good songs on that album are better than the good songs on NPftD.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 23, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
I can say without a doubt that No Prayer is the worst Bruce album. I honestly don't even know what other album would even come into the discussion.

If you had been reading the thread, you would know that Fear of the Dark comes into the discussion. :P
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
I can say without a doubt that No Prayer is the worst Bruce album. I honestly don't even know what other album would even come into the discussion.

Id only rate V11 as a worse IM album but that doesnt have Bruce and Im not even sure it is a worse album. The good songs on that album are better than the good songs on NPftD.
Bolded for truth.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 23, 2015, 04:24:43 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 23, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
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Post by: Nick on March 23, 2015, 04:30:36 PM
The standout songs on No Prayer do so due to them swimming in a stew of utter mediocrity. They are a decade old twinkie when you've been homeless and eating garbage for years. On any other album they'd be middle of the road tracks.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 04:40:27 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 05:09:39 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.

It'd make mine too, for the solo section whcih I enjoy.  The title track is my favorite from the album though and really the only song that I think would still stand out on another IM album.
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Post by: 425 on March 23, 2015, 05:36:11 PM
See, to me, Fear of the Dark is definitely the weakest Maiden album. It's not even close. It has about five songs I would ever even consider going out of my way to listen to (title track, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, Wasting Love, Judas Be My Guide, maybe Be Quick or Be Dead), and the rest is quite mediocre. Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are clearly Maiden's three worst songs. The album has some pretty strong standouts, but as an actual album-length listening experience, it's just not very good.

No Prayer for the Dying isn't great, and is probably my second-least-favorite Maiden album, but it's miles ahead of Fear. The first two songs are duds, but the title song through Run Silent Run Deep is actually a pretty good run. Hooks In You and Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter are pretty weird and mediocre, but the album finishes strong with Mother Russia. Fear's best songs are the best songs from either album, but it is not that good of a listening experience as an album start-to-finish, while No Prayer is pretty decent in that regard.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 05:43:11 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.

It'd make mine too, for the solo section whcih I enjoy.  The title track is my favorite from the album though and really the only song that I think would still stand out on another IM album.
Agreed. It's a Top 15 Maiden track from me. I recorded the show in Providence on that tour, and Bruce has a great intro to it. He remarks that he is 32 years old, hopes he comes back when he's 42.
I would also like to say that this tour was AWESOME! So much energy coming from the band as Janick really pulled Dave out of his shell.
Plus the simple stage with a backline of endless Marshalls was very cool.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 05:45:40 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.

It'd make mine too, for the solo section whcih I enjoy.  The title track is my favorite from the album though and really the only song that I think would still stand out on another IM album.
Agreed. It's a Top 15 Maiden track from me. I recorded the show in Providence on that tour, and Bruce has a great intro to it. He remarks that he is 32 years old, hopes he comes back when he's 42.
I would also like to say that this tour was AWESOME! So much energy coming from the band as Janick really pulled Dave out of his shell.
Plus the simple stage with a backline of endless Marshalls was very cool.

Thats awesome, and Ive seen boots from this tour too and noticed it had the simple stage and more of a raw feel to it, which I guess is what they aimed for with the album as well, just didn't churn out good songs IMO.
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Post by: LudwigVan on March 23, 2015, 05:45:50 PM
No Prayer is the worse Dickinson album and Fear of the Dark is about four songs too long.
Agreed.

and at the time, Seventh Son was a massive disappointment for a lot of people. Which sounds unbelievable given that a lot of people love it massively today, but back then it just didn't work well with Maiden's US fanbase at least.
The people I knew loved it, but its issue, to me, was that Can I Play With Madness sucks, and it made a horrible single. Not sure any non Maiden fan could relate to it, and for Maiden fans, it was way to heavy on the keyboards, especially in the chorus. Thankfully the rest of the album kicked ass. I think if they had released The Evil That Men Do first, it would've had more of a chance.

Huh. I love Can I Play With Madness.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 05:46:48 PM
Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are clearly Maiden's three worst songs.
Well, at least on this album. I actually like Chains Of Misery as it would make a decent B Side, but it's definitely not worthy of making the album.
I know a lot of people don't care for it, but I love Fear Is The Key. Has a great solo part, and Bruce does a wicked Ian Gillan.
And Childhood's End is awesome!

No Prayer is the worse Dickinson album and Fear of the Dark is about four songs too long.
Agreed.

and at the time, Seventh Son was a massive disappointment for a lot of people. Which sounds unbelievable given that a lot of people love it massively today, but back then it just didn't work well with Maiden's US fanbase at least.
The people I knew loved it, but its issue, to me, was that Can I Play With Madness sucks, and it made a horrible single. Not sure any non Maiden fan could relate to it, and for Maiden fans, it was way to heavy on the keyboards, especially in the chorus. Thankfully the rest of the album kicked ass. I think if they had released The Evil That Men Do first, it would've had more of a chance.

Huh. I love Can I Play With Madness.
You would! ;D
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 05:51:03 PM
Cram, going back to the '91 tour, the setlist was cool too.
After opening with Tailgunner and Public Enema #1 (which is a great song with a horrid title) they went full bore into:
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Hallowed Be Thy Name
22 Acacia Avenue

So 40 minutes into the set and it was like getting hit with a ton of bricks!
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Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2015, 05:54:41 PM
See, to me, Fear of the Dark is definitely the weakest Maiden album. It's not even close. It has about five songs I would ever even consider going out of my way to listen to (title track, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, Wasting Love, Judas Be My Guide, maybe Be Quick or Be Dead), and the rest is quite mediocre. Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are clearly Maiden's three worst songs. The album has some pretty strong standouts, but as an actual album-length listening experience, it's just not very good.

No Prayer for the Dying isn't great, and is probably my second-least-favorite Maiden album, but it's miles ahead of Fear. The first two songs are duds, but the title song through Run Silent Run Deep is actually a pretty good run. Hooks In You and Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter are pretty weird and mediocre, but the album finishes strong with Mother Russia. Fear's best songs are the best songs from either album, but it is not that good of a listening experience as an album start-to-finish, while No Prayer is pretty decent in that regard.

The Angel and the Gambler, Lightning Strikes Twice and When Two Worlds Collide would like to have a word with you. 

Virtual XI is *BY FAR* IM's worst album.    No Prayer is the worst Bruce album.   I can't believe people debate it.   Afraid and the title track alone completely blow away every single track from No Prayer.      Fear is not IM's best work, and it is near the bottom, but it was a step up from No Prayer....that album is just horrible.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 05:59:02 PM
J Dude, half of VXI is awesome though.
Futureal, The Clansman, The Educated Fool, and Don't Look To The Eyes Of A Stranger.
And while the "Don't look to..." part is about 16 bars too long, that wicked instrumental section at the end more than makes up for it.

If there was one Blaze era track that I'd like to see them pull out, it'd be The Educated Fool.

Edit: and I'm not trying to make VXI sound better than it is. It and No Prayer are still the two worst Maiden albums.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 23, 2015, 06:02:47 PM
See, to me, Fear of the Dark is definitely the weakest Maiden album. It's not even close. It has about five songs I would ever even consider going out of my way to listen to (title track, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, Wasting Love, Judas Be My Guide, maybe Be Quick or Be Dead), and the rest is quite mediocre. Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are clearly Maiden's three worst songs. The album has some pretty strong standouts, but as an actual album-length listening experience, it's just not very good.

No Prayer for the Dying isn't great, and is probably my second-least-favorite Maiden album, but it's miles ahead of Fear. The first two songs are duds, but the title song through Run Silent Run Deep is actually a pretty good run. Hooks In You and Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter are pretty weird and mediocre, but the album finishes strong with Mother Russia. Fear's best songs are the best songs from either album, but it is not that good of a listening experience as an album start-to-finish, while No Prayer is pretty decent in that regard.

The Angel and the Gambler, Lightning Strikes Twice and When Two Worlds Collide would like to have a word with you. 

Virtual XI is *BY FAR* IM's worst album.    No Prayer is the worst Bruce album.   I can't believe people debate it.   Afraid and the title track alone completely blow away every single track from No Prayer.      Fear is not IM's best work, and it is near the bottom, but it was a step up from No Prayer....that album is just horrible.

I can. It's called having an opinion. Geez.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 06:07:52 PM
J Dude, half of VXI is awesome though.
Futureal, The Clansman, The Educated Fool, and Don't Look To The Eyes Of A Stranger.
And while the "Don't look to..." part is about 16 bars too long, that wicked instrumental section at the end more than makes up for it.

If there was one Blaze era track that I'd like to see them pull out, it'd be The Educated Fool.

Edit: and I'm not trying to make VXI sound better than it is. It and No Prayer are still the two worst Maiden albums.

Wow, you and are have such similar opinions here.  Educated Fool would be the best Bruce song if they ever were to pull another one out (which I doubt).

Cram, going back to the '91 tour, the setlist was cool too.
After opening with Tailgunner and Public Enema #1 (which is a great song with a horrid title) they went full bore into:
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Hallowed Be Thy Name
22 Acacia Avenue

So 40 minutes into the set and it was like getting hit with a ton of bricks!

Yea I liked how that tour they through Hallowed in the beginning of the set, shake it up a bit although I think thats a better closer.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 06:11:53 PM
Educated Fool would be the best Bruce song if they ever were to pull another one out (which I doubt).

Absolutely. Bruce could take that chorus to places that Blaze could only dream of.
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Post by: 425 on March 23, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
The Angel and the Gambler, Lightning Strikes Twice and When Two Worlds Collide would like to have a word with you. 

Virtual XI is *BY FAR* IM's worst album.

Virtual XI is a solid album front to back. It exceeds both Fear and No Prayer. I don't know what else it would beat off the top of my head but I think it might put up a solid challenge to both Di'Anno albums. TAATG is the weakest song on the disc, but I would rather listen to it than half of Fear of the Dark. Same with WTWC and LST.


No Prayer is the worst Bruce album.   I can't believe people debate it.   Afraid and the title track alone completely blow away every single track from No Prayer.   Fear is not IM's best work, and it is near the bottom, but it was a step up from No Prayer....that album is just horrible.

Ah, if only FOTD was just those two songs and NPFTD was just its two best songs. Then FOTD would win. However, as an album, FOTD is way more mediocre, with just those two highlights, while NPFTD has numerous highlights throughout the album that make it a better listening experience as a whole.


J Dude, half of VXI is awesome though.
Futureal, The Clansman, The Educated Fool, and Don't Look To The Eyes Of A Stranger.
And while the "Don't look to..." part is about 16 bars too long, that wicked instrumental section at the end more than makes up for it.

If there was one Blaze era track that I'd like to see them pull out, it'd be The Educated Fool.

Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger is actually really cool musically. It's just too repetitive lyrically and vocally. VXI's main problem, in my opinion, is production. That and the fact that Blaze, god bless the guy, was pushed a little too far out of his element on this album. He's really good on The X Factor, though.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
VXI's main problem, in my opinion, is production. That and the fact that Blaze, god bless the guy, was pushed a little too far out of his element on this album. He's really good on The X Factor, though.
He's great on TXF.

But I liken VXI to FOTD in that they each follow quite different style of Maiden albums, and both go for the more comfortable Maiden stylings. That, in the end, did not suit Blaze.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 06:56:51 PM
V11's biggest problems are the production and TAATG, that song alone ruins the album in many ways for me although it came on random the other day and I thought it sounded better than I remembered it although it still sucked.
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Post by: 425 on March 23, 2015, 07:04:12 PM
In my opinion TAATG is a really cool song with a good vibe... that should be quite a bit shorter. The number of chorus repetitions hurts it quite a bit. As a 5 or 6 minute song it would be very good.


But I liken VXI to FOTD in that they each follow quite different style of Maiden albums, and both go for the more comfortable Maiden stylings. That, in the end, did not suit Blaze.

That's true, though I would add that Virtual XI provides much of the prototype for the more progressive style of songwriting that reached a greater expression on the four reunion albums. A lot of what Brave New World sounds like the VXI songwriting style refined and focused with a better production and the addition of Adrian and Bruce both as performers and songwriters. I don't think BNW would have happened the same way if not for VXI (not to mention the fact that several BNW songs were actually written in 1998 and considered for VXI, if memory serves: The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another one, speculated to be Blood Brothers?).
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Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2015, 07:06:23 PM
Sometimes, I actually really find myself liking Don't Look To the Eyes of a Stranger....in the same way that I enjoy a light drip of water falling on my forehead.   But the end result of both is exactly the same.   
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Post by: 425 on March 23, 2015, 07:11:10 PM
if memory serves: The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another one, speculated to be Blood Brothers?

Wait! Dream of Mirrors was one of them! Rumor even has it that Blaze wrote some of the lyrics to that song but that Steve bought out his portion of the songwriting credit due to a band policy of not crediting former members.
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Post by: Zook on March 23, 2015, 09:39:28 PM
My "No Fear of the Dying" tracklist:

1. Tailgunner
2. Be Quick or Be Dead
3. From Here to Eternity
4. Fates Warning
5. Holy Smoke
6. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
7. Fear is the Key
8. Judas Be My Guide
9. Run Silent Run Deep
10. Wasting Love
11. Bring Your Daughter...To the Slaughter
12. Fear of the Dark

Flows pretty well I think.

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Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2015, 09:50:57 PM
if memory serves: The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another one, speculated to be Blood Brothers?

Wait! Dream of Mirrors was one of them! Rumor even has it that Blaze wrote some of the lyrics to that song but that Steve bought out his portion of the songwriting credit due to a band policy of not crediting former members.

Not true.   Adrian Smith co-wrote Hooks in You for No Prayer...for which he was a "former member".
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 24, 2015, 01:11:21 AM
In my opinion TAATG is a really cool song with a good vibe... that should be quite a bit shorter. The number of chorus repetitions hurts it quite a bit. As a 5 or 6 minute song it would be very good.

Agreed, and I think that's why I enjoy the single edit of the song.  It totally cuts out the quieter part. 

If they had put the single edit on the album, then I wouldn't have too much of an issue with it on the whole.  I would cut Two Worlds.  Also DLttEoaS is pretty rank.  The X Factor b-sides are far better than those two.

1. Futureal
2. Angel and the Gambler (single edit)
3. Lightning Strikes Twice
4. The Clansman
5. The Educated Fool
6. Como Estais Amigos
7. Judgement Day
8. Justice of the Peace

Should've just done that, Steve...
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Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 05:41:15 AM
I agree, the edit is pretty excellent.  That's really the only spot on VXI that doesn't do it for me.  I enjoy everything else.

Love seeing Justice of the Peace and Judgement Day mentioned there sneaky, so damn good.  The other X Factor bonus track I Live My Way is decent too.
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Post by: 425 on March 24, 2015, 09:10:35 AM
if memory serves: The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another one, speculated to be Blood Brothers?

Wait! Dream of Mirrors was one of them! Rumor even has it that Blaze wrote some of the lyrics to that song but that Steve bought out his portion of the songwriting credit due to a band policy of not crediting former members.

Not true.   Adrian Smith co-wrote Hooks in You for No Prayer...for which he was a "former member".

Hmm, yeah, that is an interesting exception. However, Steve has historically enforced this policy. It's pretty well known, for example, that Strange World was at least partially written by a former member.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2015, 09:11:04 AM
Cram, going back to the '91 tour, the setlist was cool too.
After opening with Tailgunner and Public Enema #1 (which is a great song with a horrid title) they went full bore into:
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Hallowed Be Thy Name
22 Acacia Avenue

Okay...so when does the "cool" part of the set start?
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Post by: 425 on March 24, 2015, 09:28:38 AM
Wait! Dream of Mirrors was one of them! Rumor even has it that Blaze wrote some of the lyrics to that song but that Steve bought out his portion of the songwriting credit due to a band policy of not crediting former members.

Here's (https://bravewords.com/news/blaze-bayley-talks-maiden-festival-with-all-three-singers-and-uncredited-iron-maiden-songs-in-new-interview) a link on this, by the way. The relevant part begins shortly after the 7 minute mark in the video. Blaze outright says he helped write Dream of Mirrors, and mentions Blood Brothers among two other songs that were left over from VXI and used on BNW. So assuming he didn't make that up based on that comment from Adrian, that's true. And if you watch the whole video, Blaze remains very grateful and positive towards Maiden, so I don't think he made it up.
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Post by: Zantera on March 24, 2015, 09:35:37 AM
When I first got into Maiden, I thought The Clansman was one of their best songs, and I would still put it in their top10 probably. Same with Sign of the Cross, another Blaze song. Both Rock in Rio versions are awesome. As much as the Blaze era gets a lot of crap, I think the two Blaze albums are at least on par with, and if not even better than No Prayer and Fear of the Dark. Those albums also had that "B-Side"-feeling, and despite a very few select songs (like the title track on FotD), there wasn't much to get excited about.

Maiden had a pretty weak 90's, but that makes their return to form in the 00's even more remarkable. Maiden's 90's isn't really all that different from what a lot of other bands go through, whether it's Metallica, AC/DC, Judas Priest or Deep Purple (just a few long running bands), and Maiden did something that not a lot of bands can do, they returned to form and have been very consistent since Brave New World. Dance of Death is one of those albums that I probably like more than the majority, maybe even more than BNW. AMOLAD is up there in discussions for the best Maiden album IMO, and while I thought The Final Frontier sounded a bit tired in some places, there were still some amazing songs to make up for it. I thought the first half of the album was lackluster, but everything from Isle of Avalon and forwards was pretty strong.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2015, 10:11:56 AM
When I first got into Maiden, I thought The Clansman was one of their best songs, and I would still put it in their top10 probably. Same with Sign of the Cross, another Blaze song. Both Rock in Rio versions are awesome. As much as the Blaze era gets a lot of crap, I think the two Blaze albums are at least on par with, and if not even better than No Prayer and Fear of the Dark. Those albums also had that "B-Side"-feeling, and despite a very few select songs (like the title track on FotD), there wasn't much to get excited about.

I could argue that XF and V11 are closer on par with the reunion albums in terms of song writing than with the two previous albums.  Production and vocals are what makes XF and V11 closer to the two previous albums.
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Post by: TAC on March 24, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
Cram, going back to the '91 tour, the setlist was cool too.
After opening with Tailgunner and Public Enema #1 (which is a great song with a horrid title) they went full bore into:
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Hallowed Be Thy Name
22 Acacia Avenue

Okay...so when does the "cool" part of the set start?
Don't go there, Bosk!
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Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2015, 10:27:39 AM
:biggrin:
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Post by: Zydar on March 24, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
"Over the last few days, Bruce has been to see his specialists and following examinations, including visual, we’re delighted to update everyone that the situation remains extremely optimistic for a full recovery. We will still not have final confirmation that the cancer has been completely eradicated until Bruce can have an MRI scan in May, as previously advised in Rod’s recent message to the fans on this site, and the period to full recovery will continue for a few months yet. Typically Bruce’s immediate reaction to the specialists’ good news was to be as active as feasibly possible, taking in a couple of visits to the Maiden office, one to the Hybrid Air Vehicle hangar to see latest progress, and a brief trip to his local pub, much to the surprise and delight of all his friends there!

We just wanted to share this latest piece of good news with all Maiden’s fans and, as usual, we’ll continue to keep you all updated officially on Bruce’s progress through ironmaiden.com"
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Post by: Mladen on March 24, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
Good news.  :metal

Anyway, this picture came up on a certain website - Bruce needs to keep the stasche for the upcoming album and hopefully tour with it :lol :
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zfNdjctwQO4/VRDIpoq_8NI/AAAAAAAAfDQ/AhmSltFcwPE/s640/bruce-dickinson-airlander-1.jpg)
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Post by: Zydar on March 24, 2015, 12:43:53 PM
Awesome :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2015, 12:47:13 PM
Well he seems to still have his hair which is great!
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 24, 2015, 01:09:04 PM
The news is sounding good!
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Post by: TAC on March 24, 2015, 02:49:59 PM
I posted this a few years ago in the Old Maiden thread.

No Prayer For The Dark:

Side 1
Be Quick Or Be Dead
No Prayer For The Dying
Fear Is The Key
Fates Warning
Childhood's End
Afraid To Shoot Strangers

Side 2
The Fugitive
Run Silent Run Deep
The Assassin or Public Enema #1 (I can't decide)
Wasting Love
Judas Be My Guide
Fear Of The Dark
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 24, 2015, 03:07:31 PM
That looks pretty good. Personally I'd do something pretty similar, but probably without Fear Is the Key and Childhood's End and with Mother Russia. And between The Assassin and Public Enema Number One I would definitely choose the better song with the worse title (Public Enema, in case you couldn't tell).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2015, 03:17:28 PM
I think I'm the only person that likes Fear Is The Key.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 24, 2015, 03:20:20 PM
I think it has its good bits, but I personally wouldn't include it on a best of early 90s disc.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on March 24, 2015, 03:27:37 PM
Yeah, that track definitely grew on me over the years, it's very good.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 24, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
I think I'm the only person that likes Fear Is The Key.

Fear is the Key is my favourite of the 'sub-par' FOTD tracks.  It has a really cool intro riff.  So does Chains of Misery, actually. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 03:50:48 PM
I think I'm the only person that likes Fear Is The Key.

No, I have always put FOTD in my top 5 Maiden albums, I just love it.  I love the atmosphere of Fear is the Key, it has a great vibe.  It's very different for Maiden, don't know why it's so hated.

Great update regarding Bruce too.  Hopefully some album news soon too.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 24, 2015, 03:58:19 PM
Bruce gives great stache.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2015, 05:02:48 PM
Yea Im not a big fan of Fear is the Key, but Chains of Misery is one of the better bad songs on FotD.  Ill give a shot for No Fear of the Dying Dark

Be Quick or Be Dead
Public Enema Number One
Holy Smoke
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Childhood's End
Run Silent Run Deep
Judas Be My Guide
No Prayer for the Dying
Mother Russia
Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 05:13:34 PM
I'm a fan of both, but I'll have a crack too, why not;

Be Quick or Be Dead
Tailgunner
No Prayer For the Dying
Public Enema Number 1
Fates Warning
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Fear is the Key
Childhood's End
The Fugitive
Chains of Misery
Run Silent Run Deep
Mother Russia
Judas Be My Guide
Fear of the Dark

That's heaps of songs haha.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
That's heaps of songs haha.
:lol
Let's just make it a double album!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 05:22:39 PM
That's heaps of songs haha.
:lol
Let's just make it a double album!

It should still fit on 1 cd.  :lol 


Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 08:29:58 PM
Have you guys ever seen this? Freaking hilarious attempt at singing Aces High.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTRV7vz06k

:metal CHULE!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bl5150 on March 25, 2015, 08:35:05 PM
 :rollin    There's a break in transmission at around 1.40.........the PC guy going to get some new jocks perhaps.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 25, 2015, 09:06:08 PM
Am I the only person in the universe who likes Holy Smoke?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 09:09:51 PM
cram likes it.  so its you and cram.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 25, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
It's such a goofy song, it's hard not to like.

Also, I updated my "No Fear of the Dying" tracklist. Flows much better now:

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. Holy Smoke
3. From Here to Eternity
4. Fates Warning
5. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
6. Fear is the Key
7. Judas Be My Guide
8. Run Silent Run Deep
9. Wasting Love
10. Bring Your Daughter...To the Slaughter
11. Fear of the Dark

I've always hated the chorus to Tailgunner, and while the rest of the song is alright, I wouldn't miss it that much.

Next question: Am I the only one in the universe who likes Bring You Daughter...To the Slaughter? :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 09:26:10 PM
I think Maiden at that time were trying to come off as edgy and whatever but really it was just cheese dressed up in leather.  Stuff like Holy Smoke, BYD, Tailgunner et al.  Haven't like Bring Your Daughter... since I was like, 10 and thought it was cool. 

The only thing I like about Holy Smoke is the video, because its so stupid funny.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on March 26, 2015, 01:13:40 AM
Have you guys ever seen this? Freaking hilarious attempt at singing Aces High.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTRV7vz06k

:metal CHULE!

The best part is the poor bastard sitting in front of him, and trying not to completely lose it the entire time he's "singing".
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2015, 05:24:34 AM
I think Maiden at that time were trying to come off as edgy and whatever but really it was just cheese dressed up in leather.  Stuff like Holy Smoke, BYD, Tailgunner et al.  Haven't like Bring Your Daughter... since I was like, 10 and thought it was cool. 

The only thing I like about Holy Smoke is the video, because its so stupid funny.
They were going for a stripped down back to basics sound, which was followed up by their stripped down stage show for that tour. Similar to the approach QR did with HITNF, but like QR, these songs were so sub par it was like getting an album's worth of B Sides.
BYD is so horrible, I cannot believe Steve wanted it for a Maiden album. It should have been left in the obscurity of the Freddie Kruger soundtrack.

And remember, there was a long hiatus between No Prayer and Seventh Son. That's what makes the lack of good material even more disappointing. I vividly remember getting the single to Holy Smoke. I was so excited to finally have new Maiden. We put it on, and I literally thought we played the wrong side. Kill Me Ce Soir was 10 times better.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2015, 09:09:47 AM
BYD is so horrible, I cannot believe Steve wanted it for a Maiden album. It should have been left in the obscurity of the Freddie Kruger soundtrack.

And then they went ahead and put it on the "best of 1990-2010" collection From Fear to Eternity. I remember that because that collection was my introduction to Maiden and I remember my friend having to tell me "hey, just so you know, there's this one song on there that's really bad."
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
BYD is so horrible, I cannot believe Steve wanted it for a Maiden album. It should have been left in the obscurity of the Freddie Kruger soundtrack.

And then they went ahead and put it on the "best of 1990-2010" collection From Fear to Eternity. I remember that because that collection was my introduction to Maiden and I remember my friend having to tell me "hey, just so you know, there's this one song on there that's really bad."

Isnt it also their only #1 hit song or something? lol it really is terrible and incredibly cheesey.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2015, 09:12:52 AM
Yeah, it is. I think they released it on Christmas or something so that it would have very little competition. Merry Christmas, here's a song called "Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter."
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 09:24:34 AM
lol wasnt aware of that but thats actually is pretty awesome.   :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on March 26, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
I remember when I first became aware of Iron Maiden as a kid, and started getting into their music, Bring Your Daughter had this huge reputation over here. Like, people on the radio talked about the song as if it was Run to the Hills or Number of the Beast levels of hit material. I was never huge on it back then, and in retrospect, as a single, I don't care for it now. Just another proof that 90's Maiden just wasn't any good. Sure, maybe a handful of 5 songs spread out on 4 albums that were great, but when a song like Bring Your Daughter is supposedly hit material, that kinda says a lot, because previous Maiden singles were great.

90's Maiden pales not only to their 80's and 00's effort, but I'd say Bruce Dickinson had a very good run of albums in his solo career, albums that are on par with some of Maiden's best. Chemical Wedding gets a lot of love, personally I was huge into Skunkworks and also Tattooed Millionaire. Accident of Birth was another really good one, and I will always have a soft spot for Tyranny of Souls (which came later), because it was my first solo album of his, and I still hold that one really high. Navigate the Seas of the Sun is a personal favorite that I would put up there in my top10 Maiden/BD songs, also a few other great ones like Abduction, River of no Return and Kill Devil Hill. Great album.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 10:18:47 AM
90's Maiden pales not only to their 80's and 00's effort, but I'd say Bruce Dickinson had a very good run of albums in his solo career, albums that are on par with some of Maiden's best. Chemical Wedding gets a lot of love, personally I was huge into Skunkworks and also Tattooed Millionaire. Accident of Birth was another really good one, and I will always have a soft spot for Tyranny of Souls (which came later), because it was my first solo album of his, and I still hold that one really high. Navigate the Seas of the Sun is a personal favorite that I would put up there in my top10 Maiden/BD songs, also a few other great ones like Abduction, River of no Return and Kill Devil Hill. Great album.

I agree with what you say about Bruce's solo work.  I think his awesomeness in solo work that was actually better than what IM were putting out in the 90s might have played a large role in getting him and Adrian back in the band... those guys were creating amazing music.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 26, 2015, 03:01:35 PM
For years I thought BYD was stupid, and for years I didn't listen to it, but it's really not that bad. It's like You Not Me. Same with Holy Smoke. Harmless.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
It is a bit of a "fun" song if that means anything.  Its just not a piece of music I would ever share with anyone who was interested in listening to IM which is odd because a lot of times a band's single is something you would show to someone since its usually a more acceptable and easy to digest track as well as often a good one.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 26, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
90's Maiden pales not only to their 80's and 00's effort, but I'd say Bruce Dickinson had a very good run of albums in his solo career, albums that are on par with some of Maiden's best. Chemical Wedding gets a lot of love, personally I was huge into Skunkworks and also Tattooed Millionaire. Accident of Birth was another really good one, and I will always have a soft spot for Tyranny of Souls (which came later), because it was my first solo album of his, and I still hold that one really high. Navigate the Seas of the Sun is a personal favorite that I would put up there in my top10 Maiden/BD songs, also a few other great ones like Abduction, River of no Return and Kill Devil Hill. Great album.

I agree with what you say about Bruce's solo work.  I think his awesomeness in solo work that was actually better than what IM were putting out in the 90s might have played a large role in getting him and Adrian back in the band... those guys were creating amazing music.

Shit yes on both counts.  I remember hearing The Tower on some rock station back when it first came out and thinking it was lightyears ahead of its Maiden counterpart, which would probably have been VXI. 

I really love Navigate the Seas of the Sun as well; such a gorgeous melody and some really awesome lyrics, definitely one of Bruce's finest moments.  Aside from Believil and the kind of average title track, Tyranny of Souls is fantastic.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 26, 2015, 05:25:19 PM
Believil keeps ToS from being perfect.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2015, 05:29:52 PM
For years I thought BYD was stupid, and for years I didn't listen to it, but it's really not that bad. It's like You Not Me. Same with Holy Smoke. Harmless.

I tend to agree with this on the count of Holy Smoke, and sometimes on BYDTTS. But the fact that BYD's lyrics are so crude bothers me sometimes.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on March 26, 2015, 05:49:50 PM
For years I thought BYD was stupid, and for years I didn't listen to it, but it's really not that bad. It's like You Not Me. Same with Holy Smoke. Harmless.
Agreed. There's nothing really wrong with it, it's just kinda boring. I like Holy Smoke though. No Prayer in general is a pretty solid album IMHO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 06:47:33 PM
Holy Smoke is the one song from NPftD that most dislike that I actually enjoy.  Its nothing great, but I think its a fun song and I like the guitar solo.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on March 26, 2015, 08:30:09 PM
You guys have just helped me to put my finger on exactly why I really dislike No Prayer for the Dying.  It *does* sound like an album of Iron Maiden B-sides.  And that's just the problem.   Because for as much as I've heard some people call Iron Maiden a "comic book" band, I could NOT disagree with that description more. 

When Iron Maiden started out, no one was laughing.   Eddie's persona was one that was cool, but in a very eerie, creepy, macabre kind of way.   By the time Powerslave came out, Killers was the lowest selling album, but it had the most iconic cover.   THAT was Eddie.  To many people, it was just as scary as it was cool.   But the nature of the songs was actually quite serious.  Do you know how many metal fans actually picked up A BOOK because of Iron Maiden?   They sold Poe to a whole new generation!   But it wasn't just literature.  Social subjects, life and death, pain and madness, war, superstition...all of these were subjects to fantastic Iron Maiden songs, and they were actually well written in a fashion that you could contemplate and take seriously.    But their B-sides let you know that they did have a sense of humor.   It was nice to know that, "Hey.  We thought we'd let our fans in on some of our silly moments.  This isn't a REAL Iron Maiden album/song...this is a wink and a nod, just us having a bit of a piss..enjoy it!"   Those were the Iron Maiden B-sides.  The behind the scenes stuff.   The goofing off...not the serious Maiden.     And that's OK for a B-side. 

So No Prayer kindof felt like the guys saying, "Nah!  We were just having you on.  We never were serious at all!  Joke's on you!"   

Suddenly, the eerie, spooky, creepy, psychotic Eddie was now "old weird Uncle Eddie" who pops out his glass eye and plays "gotcher nose" with a dislocated thumb.   The whole album just feels like one big long 50 minute joke. 

Say what you want about Fear of the Dark.  It may not be a great Iron Maiden album, but at least it sounds like they were at least trying to write a *serious* Iron Maiden album...
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2015, 06:58:23 AM
Believil keeps ToS from being perfect.

Yes.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on March 27, 2015, 07:00:25 AM
Holy Smoke is the one song from NPftD that most dislike that I actually enjoy.  Its nothing great, but I think its a fun song and I like the guitar solo.

Holy shit, someone else likes Holy Smoke? :hifive:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2015, 07:05:27 AM
I never really had an issue with Holy Smoke either.  The guitar solos are fantastic.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 27, 2015, 07:32:33 AM
So No Prayer kindof felt like the guys saying, "Nah!  We were just having you on.  We never were serious at all!  Joke's on you!"   

Suddenly, the eerie, spooky, creepy, psychotic Eddie was now "old weird Uncle Eddie" who pops out his glass eye and plays "gotcher nose" with a dislocated thumb.   The whole album just feels like one big long 50 minute joke. 

Say what you want about Fear of the Dark.  It may not be a great Iron Maiden album, but at least it sounds like they were at least trying to write a *serious* Iron Maiden album...

I definitely agree that Fear of the Dark is the better album lyrically (though that one still has From Here to Eternity, don't forget). I'm annoyed by some of the NPFTD lyrics for the same reason you are.

But in fairness to NPFTD... the WHOLE thing isn't a 50 minute long joke. The title song, Fates Warning, Run Silent Run Deep and Mother Russia are all serious songs in the traditional Maiden lyrical style.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on March 27, 2015, 08:00:07 AM
I think Maiden had a similar problem with No Prayer, and going into the 90s in general that many 80's bands had. They were coming off a strong run of albums in the 80's, and for some reason (I don't know if it was a creative decision or adjusting to what was popular, or following the money) they changed things up and it didn't work. Similar to what happened with Metallica, but possibly for different reasons. They tried changing things up and it didn't work. I'd say part of what Maiden's comeback with Brave New World so strong was that they returned to their classic style again, and it was pretty much world domination after that.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2015, 08:34:48 AM
But they really didnt. Brave New World is very similar to V11 in terms of song writing and structure.  It was just fantastically produced and has Bruce back on vocals that separated it from V11.  As pointed out in this thread, a few songs from BNW were from V11 leftovers.  I do agree that the changing of the times took its toll on IM with NPftD and FotD, but the XF -> TFF is a fairly clear move to a more progressive approach to the music.  Dance of Death maybe more similar to the 80s albums as it has shorter fast paced songs and less progressive, but overall they really found thier new style in XF IMO, it just didn't work out in terms of popularity due to the opposite reasons BNW did work out. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on March 27, 2015, 01:05:44 PM
I think in this case, getting Bruce back on vocals was enough of a "return to the past" that they didn't need to change the music much. They just ended up writing better music on BNW and forward.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 27, 2015, 01:10:15 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that Adrian's return was at least as big as Bruce's? For as much as I love TXF and VXI, I have to say that Adrian plays by far the most important role out of the "supporting cast" of songwriters (i.e. the non-Steve ones).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 27, 2015, 01:28:46 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that Adrian's return was at least as big as Bruce's? For as much as I love TXF and VXI, I have to say that Adrian plays by far the most important role out of the "supporting cast" of songwriters (i.e. the non-Steve ones).
Absolutely! I loved when Bruce started to collab with Adrian on his solo stuff. So when Bruce joined I was equally happy about Adrian joining Maiden.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 27, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
You guys have just helped me to put my finger on exactly why I really dislike No Prayer for the Dying.  It *does* sound like an album of Iron Maiden B-sides.
You're welcome. :)

Say what you want about Fear of the Dark.  It may not be a great Iron Maiden album, but at least it sounds like they were at least trying to write a *serious* Iron Maiden album...
Right. I also said that. Steve's vision for No Prayer was a stripped down style, without the excesses of the 80's. Problem was, the writing ended up being stripped down. It's one thing to record an album in a certain style, but the songs still have to be there. I just think Steve took his foot off the pedal too much.

Am I the only one who thinks that Adrian's return was at least as big as Bruce's? For as much as I love TXF and VXI, I have to say that Adrian plays by far the most important role out of the "supporting cast" of songwriters (i.e. the non-Steve ones).

Absolutely. Adrian is the glue between Steve and Bruce. NPFTD and FOTD are subpar because the of the lack of Adrian, among other things, but his absence is glaring, and was at the time. I literally remember exactly where I was when I read that Adrian left. It was a huge letdown, but I was happy it was Janick. He's good on Tattooed Millionaire and was great when I saw Bruce on that tour. He already seemed like part of the family. But really, he could never replace Adrian.


But I also remember when Balls To Picasso came out, and compared with The X Factor, it was clear how much balance Bruce gave the band. The X Factor is a highly debated album, but for me, it's basically a Steve Harris solo album, with no one else in the band to debate Steve's ideas. A great frontman aside, I never really understood Bruce's importance to the band as I did when those two albums came out.

So having both Bruce and Adrian back, both motivated, really gave Maiden a huge lift, and creatively, the Reunion era stands right with the Classic era.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
There's no doubt that Adrian's return also played a huge role in the revival of the music.  And his work with Bruce's solo stuff is the best Bruce's solo stuff.  It says something to me that this guy happens to be apart of all the really good music and avoided all the bad albums.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2015, 04:50:06 PM
I'm glad Bruce only agreed to come back with Adrian.  Adrian's best playing IMO is on AOB and CW.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 31, 2015, 04:14:40 AM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 31, 2015, 04:47:12 AM
The TV broadcast (video) of RiR is awesome for its 'un-fucked-by-Harris' editing style. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on March 31, 2015, 04:54:11 AM
I personally love the chaotic editing on that DVD, it's so energetic and powerful, it perfectly fits the music of that intensity. The only thing I'm not too crazy about is indeed the overdubbing of Bruce's vocals, they really didn't need to do that. Better let the crowd be heard, especially when it's that awesome.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on March 31, 2015, 05:12:14 AM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

Where can this be found legally?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 31, 2015, 05:14:56 AM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

Where can this be found legally?

Cuply ones on youtube, quality isn't too awesome tho.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aop5aIR-VY
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2015, 04:04:48 PM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

There's overdubs all over the whole concert, but those two songs are by far the worst.  Not sure about cutting out a section in The Clansman.  What makes me laugh is on the official CD/DVD, during the "no, we're not gonna take anymore,"  at one point you can hear the overdub of Bruce saying this line over the crowd, but then they cut a word out and you hear Bruce yell at the crowd to sing which is from the concert.  But, there's no way Bruce could stop singing and yell like he does to the crowd almost at the same time.  It's like they have almost dubbed Bruce over the top of himself.  I would have to find it to make it more clear what I am referring to.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 31, 2015, 04:33:38 PM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

There's overdubs all over the whole concert, but those two songs are by far the worst.  Not sure about cutting out a section in The Clansman.  What makes me laugh is on the official CD/DVD, during the "no, we're not gonna take anymore,"  at one point you can hear the overdub of Bruce saying this line over the crowd, but then they cut a word out and you hear Bruce yell at the crowd to sing which is from the concert.  But, there's no way Bruce could stop singing and yell like he does to the crowd almost at the same time.  It's like they have almost dubbed Bruce over the top of himself.  I would have to find it to make it more clear what I am referring to.

I know exactly what you're talking about.

"Nooooo, no we're not gonna take anymor-LOUDER"

They did it in such a way that it does kinda sound like he's cutting himself off, so I can look passed it. About cutting a part out of The Clansman, I think I was just confused because I wasn't used to not hearing the overdubs, so it sounded off.

They didn't need any overdubs at all. The only thing they needed to do was make the crowd more in sync in certain places like in Dream of Mirrors. Yeah, they really shouldn't have done that either, but it sounds better on the DVD/CD. But Mr. Harris, if Bruce is telling the crowd to sing a passage, why the fuck would you then overdub Bruce singing said passage? Makes no sense.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2015, 05:46:44 PM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

There's overdubs all over the whole concert, but those two songs are by far the worst.  Not sure about cutting out a section in The Clansman.  What makes me laugh is on the official CD/DVD, during the "no, we're not gonna take anymore,"  at one point you can hear the overdub of Bruce saying this line over the crowd, but then they cut a word out and you hear Bruce yell at the crowd to sing which is from the concert.  But, there's no way Bruce could stop singing and yell like he does to the crowd almost at the same time.  It's like they have almost dubbed Bruce over the top of himself.  I would have to find it to make it more clear what I am referring to.

I know exactly what you're talking about.

"Nooooo, no we're not gonna take anymor-LOUDER"

But Mr. Harris, if Bruce is telling the crowd to sing a passage, why the fuck would you then overdub Bruce singing said passage? Makes no sense.


That's the line Zook.  And that's the thing that annoyed me the most with the overdubs.  Anyone who didn't know the story behind the overdubs would be thinking, "Why would he ask the crowd to sing, but then sing it himself anyway?"
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 31, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
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IRON MAIDEN bassist/mainman Steve Harris has posted the following message via the group's official web site at www.ironmaiden.com in response to the accusations that, contrary to the various bandmembers' previous claims, the group's Rock In Rio live album contains studio overdubs:

Let's get one thing straight. [IRON MAIDEN frontman] Bruce [Dickinson] is NOT a liar.

There are NO overdubs on this live album. While it was being mixed in New York by [producer] Kevin Shirley and myself, Bruce was in London to my knowledge, or wherever he was, it's not an issue except to say that he couldn't overdub anything if he wasn't there!

What HAS happened is that I made an executive decision to cut and paste with a computer to put back in, his LIVE on the night vocals into parts where he was getting the audience to sing on some choruses on some lines on their own. The reason I did this is because in the cold light of day it sounds better with him back in there because sometimes the audience were either out of time or not quite loud enough. So I simply cut out parts of his vocal on the line before and pasted it into the next line, which was possible because it was a repetitive part.

I find it amazing that people would question this band's integrity and indeed go as far as accuse someone of being a liar. Supposed fans like that we don't want, as far as I'm concerned we're better off without people like that. If you don't like what I've done with the album, don't buy it. Simple!

Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-s-steve-harris-there-are-no-overdubs-on-rock-in-rio/#D3Kw2PGbgiAWTAUI.99
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2015, 06:39:53 PM
I remember reading that when it happened.  Funny stuff, good ol' 'Arry.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 31, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
Haha I've never seen that.  Brilliant.  Tough as old boots...
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2015, 06:12:29 AM
Ive never seen that either, but I wonder if his "if you dont like it, dont buy it" type of attitude is coming more so from the criticism of his editing than the overdubs.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on April 01, 2015, 06:31:53 AM
Possibly both.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on April 07, 2015, 03:43:59 AM
Parlophone Records (BMG/INgrooves Music Group for the USA) are delighted to announce the release of nineteen IRON MAIDEN catalogue albums which have been Mastered For iTunes (iTunes.com/IronMaiden), encoded from 24-bit / 96 khz high resolution masters and now re-mastered with iTunes in mind, delivering the music to listeners exactly the way the artist and recording engineer intended. These are brand new re-masters from their original analogue sources, exclusively produced for iTunes. All fifteen studio albums, 2 Best Of compilations and 2 live albums were personally selected by Maiden's founder member Steve Harris for this superior mastering technique : Iron Maiden, Killers, The Number Of The Beast, Piece Of Mind, Powerslave, Somewhere In Time, Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son, No Prayer For The Dying, Fear Of The Dark, The X Factor, Virtual XI, Brave New World, Dance Of Death, A Matter Of Life And Death, The Final Frontier, Somewhere Back In Time, From Fear To Eternity (2CD), Live after Death (2CD) and Rock In Rio (2CD).

Steve comments:
"The Mastering For iTunes procedure allows the listener to experience the music as close as possible to the way the artist intended it to be heard. So of course I was very keen for the Maiden albums to be mastered in this way. The records have been available digitally before, when this medium first became a platform for music distribution but that was mastered with CDs in mind. The iTunes process involves a different approach and it's great to finally deliver the music to our fans in as close to a pure and accurate sound as we could possibly achieve.For example, as most people know, I was never really happy with the sound on the first Maiden album but listening to it now, the guitars are louder, the drums more substantial and the overall tone is so very much improved in my opinion. Tony Newton and Ade Emsley who worked closely with me on the project did a terrific job recapturing everything from the original masters and together we've re- mastered them all digitally and I'm really happy with the results."

Tony Newton adds:
"The process started with locating all of the original album mix tapes (or whichever format they were mixed to). Then the choice of analogue to digital convertor was chosen for the most accurate capture to make it as close as possible to the sound of the mix as it was intended by the band. When a lot of these tapes were last captured it was in the 1980's, early days of digital and only 44.1khz/16bit files were possible. On top of this the new A/D convertors are far superior now, and of course it is possible to produce files of far higher resolution. The result of this is that the songs now sound more defined with added depth and warmth. I was very excited to be asked to be part of this project, I honestly feel that there is a massive improvement in the quality of these classic albums."
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2015, 05:06:15 AM
ITunes suck, but lackluster productions of albums like TXF, DOD and TFF would be interesting to hear.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 07, 2015, 05:36:52 AM
So there are no overdubs on RiR - they simply took some bits and overdubbed them onto other bits. Glad that's settled.

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2015, 05:46:52 AM
I was unaware of Itune specific remasters.  Has this been done before? 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on April 07, 2015, 06:13:55 AM
So there are no overdubs on RiR - they simply took some bits and overdubbed them onto other bits. Glad that's settled.
I've actually always known that, but I still used the word "overdub" because of not knowing how else to say it. Pasting the already existing live vocals? I guess that's the way to put it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 07, 2015, 02:54:50 PM
ITunes suck, but lackluster productions of albums like TXF, DOD and TFF would be interesting to hear.

I always thought TXF had a great atmosphere.  I love Nicko's drum sound, and the whole thing just sounds dark and moody, like the song content. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2015, 03:47:10 PM
ITunes suck, but lackluster productions of albums like TXF, DOD and TFF would be interesting to hear.

I always thought TXF had a great atmosphere.  I love Nicko's drum sound, and the whole thing just sounds dark and moody, like the song content.

I thought it fits the mood of the album too, but I always wondered what it would sound like with a more in your face and hard hitting production.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on April 08, 2015, 01:02:38 AM
I'd be fine with the X Factor if it had a stronger guitar sound. The thin guitars just ruin it imo.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2015, 06:01:04 AM
TXF's big downfall is the production.  Sure it has that darkness to it that fits the lyrical content and theme of the album, but it also sounds like shit IMO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on April 08, 2015, 06:38:57 AM
I'd be fine with the X Factor if it had a stronger guitar sound. The thin guitars just ruin it imo.

Having grown up with (and practically cut my teeth on) the original self titled album...I found the guitar sound of TXF quite nostalgic. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 25, 2015, 07:32:32 PM
As always, you're the man Bruce!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/30/worlds-largest-aircraft-looking-for-investors-to-give-it-liftoff

(https://i.guim.co.uk/media/w-1920/h--/q-95/b76a42b5b115e8b471a5b8723130a4ce9d76fb04/0_384_5758_3456/2000.jpg)

Rocking the stache!!



Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 25, 2015, 09:00:10 PM
It's nice to see that he believes in something like this could work and knows that getting to the goal is not going to be short or easy.  Good quotes there by him.

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Dickinson, the singer and part-time pilot got involved in 2008 after meeting the “genius behind it”, the late inventor Roger Munk, and has now upped his investment to £250,000. Dickinson said: “I told my wife, I’m about to put £100k into a big bag of helium. It may go up in smoke. She said, people have to dream, and unless you can dream something it’s never going to happen.”

He added: “I’m not expecting to get my money back any time soon, I just want to be part of it. Being a rock person, I could put it up my nose, or buy a million Rolls Royces and drive them into swimming pools, or I could do something useful.”

The heavy metal superstar added: “There are very few times in your life when you’re going to be part of something big.”
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 05:52:47 AM
Thats a cool quote and shows Bruce's character.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on April 27, 2015, 05:54:34 AM
Bruce is such a cool guy.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2015, 05:57:11 AM
Bruce is such a great role model and just a champ of a man.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on April 27, 2015, 07:52:15 AM
Bruce is such a great role model and just a champ of a man.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on April 28, 2015, 08:17:05 AM
Bruce is such a great role model and just a champ of a man.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on May 07, 2015, 05:19:47 PM
I finally broke down and actually purchased A Matter of Life and Death.   Man...what a BEAST of an album!!

And the first thing that sticks out at me every time I listen to it...you have to get all the way up to track 8 before you hit a song that repeats a single phrase 8 times. (of course, it's the first song on the album that is written solely by Harris....go figure)   But even then, the album as a whole doesn't feel near as tiring because they are not spending the entire album with those damned repetitive choruses.   So even that song doesn't seem as bad in the context of the album. 

This is honestly a top 5, maybe even top 3 Maiden album.   It's just wonderful to remember how good Iron Maiden can be when they are truly firing on all cylinders.   It's a shame we never got a concert DVD of this tour.   Does anyone know if any shows were pro-shot for later release??
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on May 07, 2015, 05:26:00 PM
AMOLAD is spectacular. And despite its repetitiveness, For the Greater Good of God is one of my favorites on the album.

I don't know about pro-shot video, but there are several high-quality audio bootlegs from the tour, on which the played the full album (which I think is the only album they have ever played live in full). From memory, I think the bootleg of the Globen show is of very good quality.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 07, 2015, 05:48:47 PM
I think the only proshot show from that tour (06-07) was the one in the Download Festival 2007?  That said, I don't think there has been or going to be a proshot release of one of their shows where they played the album in its entirety.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 07, 2015, 09:38:11 PM
Better late than never.  AMOLAD is indeed a mature, beastly album.

If I remember rightly, the band stated there was going to be a DVD for that tour.  I awaited it as we all know they played the album in full, but then the DVD just never happened.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 08, 2015, 04:28:45 AM
I was very disappointed that tracks like Benjamin Breeg and Different World didn't make it intot he setlist for the next tour. The En Vivo DVD would be so much better with them.

Any more news about album 16 yet?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2015, 06:09:55 AM
I recall IM recorded the Download 07 concert for a planned release, but something was wrong with it.  I think the band was not happy with their performance or something.  So that got scrapped, but that concert also was when they were celebrating tNotB album so it was half songs from that album and half from aMoLaD.  I have a bootleg of the Long Island show from the leg of the tour where they played the entire album and its pretty good except for the fact that the place is half empty and it seems like IM's effort in that show reflected the poor crowd.

I was very disappointed that tracks like Benjamin Breeg and Different World didn't make it intot he setlist for the next tour. The En Vivo DVD would be so much better with them.

I agree, the setlist the US got for TFF tour was awesome as it was like a "best of" 2000s IM.  They didn't play Different World though, played These Colours Don't Run and Benjamin Breeg.   If and when IM ever tour again, I would really hope they bring out more songs from this album.  It's a shame the US crowd really didnt appreciate the aMoLaD tour.  I rememeber so many people complaining after the show because they didnt play The Trooper and tNofB. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on May 08, 2015, 06:34:10 AM
I'm sure that Download DVD will be released at some point. Probably once they retire, the stuff needs to keep coming out.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 07:09:56 AM
AMoLaD is my favorite of post 2000 albuns, it has the best compositions, with the best overall sound and mix of all of them. IMO it still suffers of some arrangements problems of the newer records (too much of the calm intros for some songs... Kevin Shirley, where are you as producer ?!), but  with few "corrections" and without These Colors Don't Run (sorry, I guess is a favorite of many here) is near a perfect album.
On other topic, has anyone heard the albuns in Hi-Res yet? How about them?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 08, 2015, 07:23:12 AM
Kevin Shirley, where are you as producer?

To be fair, Shirley does push for greater variety on IM albums, but Steve Harris generally over-rules him.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on May 08, 2015, 07:24:11 AM
AMOLAD is awesome. Yeah, you have calm intros left and right, but they work really well regardless. Out of the Shadows, Lord of Light and The Legacy are some of the band's best songs.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2015, 07:43:18 AM
The Legacy is a top 5 song an AMOLAD is IM's best album IMO.  As close to a perfect album as IM have.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 07:49:05 AM
AMOLAD is awesome. Yeah, you have calm intros left and right, but they work really well regardless. Out of the Shadows, Lord of Light and The Legacy are some of the band's best songs.

I was thinking more about Benjamin Bregg (that intro is totally out of place on a great rocker song) and These Colors...Out of the Shadows is really good the way it is. The intro of Lord of Light is cool and all, but IMO that song would work better if it starded with that guitar riff around 2 min mark. And yes, The Legacy is just a PERFECT song  :metal
And I really like the intros of Brighter..., Longest Day..., Greater Good..., but my point is I think there's more than enough calm intros for a Maiden album (7 songs in 10!). I miss the more immediate/energetic approach of the older ones, I just think that it makes the 80's albums flow better.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on May 08, 2015, 09:14:53 AM
Ok.  Let's play a game. 

Imagine that Iron Maiden never did a follow up live album to Live After Death, and they are getting ready to release Live After Death TWO.   It will be a two disc set that will not have any tracks that repeat from Live After Death 1.    You have been given the task of putting the track listing together.    In our imaginary scenario, IM hasn't released a live album in almost 30 years, but in reality, you can include anything you wish from the many existing live albums they have released.   Maiden England, A Real Live/Dead One, Live At Donnington, Rock In Rio, Death on the Road, Flight 666, and En Vivo can all be used as source material.

What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2015, 09:17:03 AM
What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???

En Vivo

Not trying to be flip, but En Vivo! is just about perfect in my book.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on May 08, 2015, 11:01:18 AM
What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???

En Vivo

Not trying to be flip, but En Vivo! is just about perfect in my book.

But En Vivo contains 6 tracks that appeared on Live After Death....so you have to replace them with...well...SOMETHING.   :angel:   Paschendale from Death on the Road??   Sign of the Cross from Rock in Rio perhaps?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2015, 12:01:20 PM
Okay, fine.  :biggrin:  Keep in mind that I am a relatively new Maiden fan, so I am not familiar with the plethora of live releases by them. 

Those are good choices.  Since I have 4 more to play with, I will add:
-Wasted Years (Flight 666)
-The Clansman (RiR)

I will come up with more.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 12:56:39 PM
We can dream... a lot? :biggrin:

Wicker Man
Montesgur
Paschendale
Brighter than a thousand suns
Where Eagles Dare
Caugh Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Killers
Sign of the Cross
Man on the Edge
Ghost of Navigator
Tailgunner
Be Quick
No Prayer
Seventh Son
Mother Russia
The Legacy

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on May 08, 2015, 02:04:51 PM
Ok.  Let's play a game. 
It will be a two disc set that will not have any tracks that repeat from Live After Death 1.
   
you can include anything you wish from the many existing live albums they have released.   

What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???

CD 1
Where Eagles Dare (A Real Dead One)
Wasted Years (Flight 666)
Die With Your Boots On  (Maiden England)
Infinite Dreams (Maiden England)
Coming Home (En Vivo)
Dance Of Death (Death On The Road)
Remember Tomorrow (A Real Dead One)
The Clansman (Rock In Rio)
The Talisman (En Vivo)
Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son (Maiden England)

CD 2
Be Quick Of Be Dead (Live At Donnington)
No Prayer For The Dying (FOTD B Side)
Pashendale (Death On The Road)
Still Life (Maiden England)
Sign Of The Cross (Rock In Rio)
Brave New World (Death On The Road)
When The Wild Wind Blows (En Vivo)
Fear Of The Dark (Death On The Road)
******
Transylvania (A Real Dead One)
Prowler (A Real Dead One)
******
Moonchild (Flight 666)
The Evil That Men Do (En Vivo)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 02:08:04 PM
We can dream... a lot? :biggrin:

Wicker Man
Montesgur
Paschendale
Brighter than a thousand suns
Where Eagles Dare
Caugh Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Killers
Sign of the Cross
Man on the Edge
Ghost of Navigator
Tailgunner
Be Quick
No Prayer
Seventh Son
Mother Russia
The Legacy

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark

All right, down to 1 hour and 40 minutes:

Wicker Man
Montesgur
Paschendale
Brighter than a Thousand Suns
Where Eagles Dare
Caught Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Killers
Man on the Edge
Tailgunner
Be Quick
No Prayer
Seventh Son
The Legacy

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark

PS: We can choose songs that are never released or played live before, right? :tup


Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on May 08, 2015, 02:09:53 PM
Nope you have to choose from existing live releases
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on May 08, 2015, 02:55:55 PM
But En Vivo contains 6 tracks that appeared on Live After Death....so you have to replace them with...well...SOMETHING.   :angel:

Yeah but... one of those is Iron Maiden. They would never, not in a billion years, play a concert or release a live album that did not include that song.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Nope you have to choose from existing live releases
:tdwn ;)

So here we go:

Wicker Man
The Ghost of Navigator
The Final Frontier
El Dorado
Remember Tormorrow
The Prisioner
Still Life
Where Eagles Dare
Paschendale
Dream of Mirrors
Wasted Years
Killers
Tailgunner
Be Quick
The Clairvoyant
Seventh Son
The Evil that Men Do

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark
Prowler

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on May 10, 2015, 09:10:27 AM
I was listening to what has been released from Diannos new project Architects of Chaoz. To be honest I'm liking what I'm hearing so far. Now if he would get his ass in shape and work on his live performances that would be great.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 10, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
We can dream... a lot? :biggrin:

Wicker Man
Montesgur
Paschendale
Brighter than a thousand suns
Where Eagles Dare
Caugh Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Killers
Sign of the Cross
Man on the Edge
Ghost of Navigator
Tailgunner
Be Quick
No Prayer
Seventh Son
Mother Russia
The Legacy

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark


I know this isn't really following the rules, but I'd kill a rabbi with a pork chop to see this live.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 11, 2015, 08:33:57 AM
While we're dreaming...

Moonchild
Different World
Brave New World
Can I Play With Madness
El Dorado
Rainmaker
Wasted Years
Blood Brothers
Brighter Than 1000 Suns
Mother of Mercy
Paschendale
Stranger In  A Strange Land
Isle of Avalon
The Evil That Men Do
The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
Heaven Can Wait
~~~
The Wicker Man
Wildest Dreams
Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 11, 2015, 09:14:25 AM
Let's explore the dreamstate a bit further:

Murders in the Rue Morgue
Die With Your Boots On
The Loneliness Of A Long Distance Runner
Purgatory
22 Acacia Avenue
To Tame A Land
Where Eagles Dare
Caught Somewhere In Time
Still Life
Lord Of The Flies
Only The Good Die Young
Alexander The Great

~~~~

Man On The Edge
The Prisoner
Stranger In A Strange Land

~~~~

Reach Out
Black Bart Blues
Doctor Doctor (UFO Cover)

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on May 11, 2015, 09:04:47 PM
^ I especially love how you have them playing Still Life twice! :tup
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 12, 2015, 12:05:13 AM
Oups  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on May 12, 2015, 12:25:47 AM
Black Bart Blues huh? ;D
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 12, 2015, 12:48:18 AM
There's so many songs on that list they'd never play live anyway so I thought, why not BBB!?  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: aurorablind on May 12, 2015, 05:21:11 AM
While dreaming:


Caught Somewhere in Time
The Wicker Man
Invaders
Look for the Truth
Remember Tomorrow
Mother of Mercy
Infinite Dreams
Montségur
No Prayer for the Dying
Isle of Avalon
Killers
To Tame a Land
Iron Maiden

~~Encore~~
Be Quick or Be Dead
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Paschendale


(Added Iron Maiden and Hallowed for "realism" :P)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Polarbear on May 12, 2015, 05:32:17 AM
Ok.  Let's play a game. 

What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???

Sounds like fun!

Sign Of The Cross
The Wicker Man
Brave New World
Rainmaker
El Dorado
Dream Of Mirrors
Heaven Can Wait
Infinite Dreams
Paschendale
22 Acacia Avenue
Powerslave
The Clansman
Wastes Years
Moonchild
Flight Of The Icarus
The Clairvoyant


Encore:
Can I Play With Madness
Run To The Hills
Killers
Phantom Of The Opera
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 12, 2015, 08:26:01 AM
All those crazy setlists just make me remember that Maiden have SO MANY great songs never played live.... and never will :'(
In fact, many of them were played live in some tour and, after that, almost totally forgotten.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2015, 08:36:37 AM
All those crazy setlists just make me remember that Maiden have SO MANY great songs never played live.... and never will :'(
In fact, many of them were played live in some tour and, after that, almost totally forgotten.

This is a sad truth
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 12, 2015, 04:22:53 PM
Let's have a go at this LAD2.  I'm not counting the bonus disc, those songs are up for grabs;

Sign of the Cross
Where Eagles Dare
22 Acacia Avenue
Be Quick or Be Dead
Brave New World
Rainmaker
The Talisman
Still Life
Infinite Dreams
Paschendale
Total Eclipse
Prowler
Remember Tomorrow
Seventh Son of A Seventh Son
The Evil That Men Do
Fear of the Dark

Encore;

Tailgunner
Murders in the Rue Morgue
The Prisoner
Phantom of the Opera
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 12, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
All those crazy setlists just make me remember that Maiden have SO MANY great songs never played live.... and never will :'(
In fact, many of them were played live in some tour and, after that, almost totally forgotten.
Yea it's really sad.

I found this list on https://maidenfans.com/tours, can't confirm how current it is because it only streches to BNW, don't think any of these songs have been played on recent tours though.

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Songs played live by Iron Maiden:

Iron Maiden
All

Killers
All except “Prodigal Son.”

The Number of the Beast
All except “Gangland.”

Piece of Mind
All except “Quest For Fire” and “Sun AndSteel.”
“To Tame A Land” has been played live but a live recording has never been released.

Powerslave
All except “Flash of the Blade”, “The Duellists”, and “Back in the Village.”

Somewhere in Time
All except “Deja-Vu”, and “Alexander the Great.”

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
“Only the Good Die Young” and “The Prophecy” not played.

No Prayer for the Dying
All except “Fates Warning”, “Run Silent Run Deep”, “Mother Russia”.

Fear of the Dark
All except “Fear Is They Key”, “Childhood’s End”, “The Fugitive”, “Chains Of Misery”, “The Apparition”, “Judas Be My Guide”, and “Weekend Warrior.”

The X Factor
All except “Look For The Truth”, “Judgement Of Heaven”, “2 AM” and “Unbeliever”.

Virtual XI
All except “Como Estais Amigos”

Brave New World
All except “The Nomad” and “The Thin Line between Love & Hate.

Played non-album songs:

Women in Uniform
Invasion
I’ve Got The Fire
Total Eclipse
Burning Ambition

Unplayed non-album songs:

Virus

I wonder if there's a particular reason why they never have played Only The Good Die Young, always thought that song would be a killer live. The same with Alexander The Great, such a great epic imo.
Interesting that they actually have played To Tame A Land, had no idea.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 12, 2015, 05:21:04 PM
I'm sure I've heard bootleg of To Tame a Land live ???

EDIT: Yep, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPL1an3xIno

I guess its talking about official releases :lol

Double EDIT: That video is killer.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2015, 05:24:34 PM
I think a good list would be, songs they played on the tour for support of the new album that were never played again.  That list would be very large I think.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 12, 2015, 06:06:57 PM
I'm pretty sure that looks accurate, but it's ruling out songs that have only been played a couple of times too.  If you add in songs that have only been played a handful of times or only on it's current represented album tour, like Sea of Madness, Silent Planet or Fallen Angel, the list would be bigger.  I didn't know they have played Invaders or Long Distance Runner live.




Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: CharlesPL on May 12, 2015, 06:13:05 PM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2015, 02:06:26 AM
I'm sure I've heard bootleg of To Tame a Land live ???

EDIT: Yep, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPL1an3xIno

I guess its talking about official releases :lol

Double EDIT: That video is killer.
Awesome man!  :tup

Also edit: Seriously, sounds awesome. Bruce have trouble with the high notes though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2015, 05:18:54 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 13, 2015, 05:26:28 AM
I'm sure I've heard bootleg of To Tame a Land live ???

EDIT: Yep, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPL1an3xIno

I guess its talking about official releases :lol

Double EDIT: That video is killer.
Awesome man!  :tup

Also edit: Seriously, sounds awesome. Bruce have trouble with the high notes though.

Yeah, he's struggling there!  Its amazing how his voice and range actually improved over the years.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2015, 05:32:55 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.
Funny you mention, I just listened to the audio and yea as with TTAL Bruce stuggles alot but according to the poster they removed it from the setlist because it ruined the flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-P_Lt6R00
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2015, 05:39:15 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.
Funny you mention, I just listened to the audio and yea as with TTAL Bruce stuggles alot but according to the poster they removed it from the setlist because it ruined the flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-P_Lt6R00

That's weird, it's one of their most cracking underrated songs.  Nothing wrong with that recording at all IMO, sounds great and the band performed it really well, a shame.

Speaking of TTAL, it was wise to not continue that on future tours.  Bruce not hitting the money note really kills the climax.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2015, 06:20:18 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.

I was thinking Invaders wasnt played either, but I assumed I was wrong. 

I do recall Bruce teasing the Greece crowd some years ago saying they would play Alexander the Great.  Seems very unlikely now that it will ever be played.  In fact, the history of the band shows that if they didn't play a song during the promotion of the album tour then they never will play it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 13, 2015, 06:51:24 AM
I found this list on https://maidenfans.com/tours, can't confirm how current it is because it only streches to BNW, don't think any of these songs have been played on recent tours though.

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Songs played live by Iron Maiden:

Iron Maiden
All

Killers
All except “Prodigal Son.”

The Number of the Beast
All except “Gangland.”

Piece of Mind
All except “Quest For Fire” and “Sun AndSteel.”
“To Tame A Land” has been played live but a live recording has never been released.

Powerslave
All except “Flash of the Blade”, “The Duellists”, and “Back in the Village.”

Somewhere in Time
All except “Deja-Vu”, and “Alexander the Great.”

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
“Only the Good Die Young” and “The Prophecy” not played.

No Prayer for the Dying
All except “Fates Warning”, “Run Silent Run Deep”, “Mother Russia”.

Fear of the Dark
All except “Fear Is They Key”, “Childhood’s End”, “The Fugitive”, “Chains Of Misery”, “The Apparition”, “Judas Be My Guide”, and “Weekend Warrior.”

The X Factor
All except “Look For The Truth”, “Judgement Of Heaven”, “2 AM” and “Unbeliever”.

Virtual XI
All except “Como Estais Amigos”

Brave New World
All except “The Nomad” and “The Thin Line between Love & Hate.

Played non-album songs:

Women in Uniform
Invasion
I’ve Got The Fire
Total Eclipse
Burning Ambition

Unplayed non-album songs:

Virus


Wow, that list suprised me A LOT! I didn't know Maiden played many of those songs live! :o
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2015, 06:58:50 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.
Funny you mention, I just listened to the audio and yea as with TTAL Bruce stuggles alot but according to the poster they removed it from the setlist because it ruined the flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-P_Lt6R00

That's weird, it's one of their most cracking underrated songs.  Nothing wrong with that recording at all IMO, sounds great and the band performed it really well, a shame.

Speaking of TTAL, it was wise to not continue that on future tours.  Bruce not hitting the money note really kills the climax.
Yea it's definitly a underrated songs, lots of cool melodies and the intro was awesome live.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on May 13, 2015, 03:36:31 PM
I found this list on https://maidenfans.com/tours, can't confirm how current it is because it only streches to BNW, don't think any of these songs have been played on recent tours though.

That's accurate, and unless Maiden makes a MAJOR break from tradition, it always will be.

What tradition? Iron Maiden has NEVER not played a song on the supporting tour for its album and then played the song on a later tour. Never. If a Maiden song misses its first chance to be played live, it will probably never see the stage.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 14, 2015, 02:28:33 AM
Damn, there goes my hopes of hoping they play Mother of Mercy or Starblind.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2015, 04:48:28 AM
I found this list on https://maidenfans.com/tours, can't confirm how current it is because it only streches to BNW, don't think any of these songs have been played on recent tours though.

That's accurate, and unless Maiden makes a MAJOR break from tradition, it always will be.

What tradition? Iron Maiden has NEVER not played a song on the supporting tour for its album and then played the song on a later tour. Never. If a Maiden song misses its first chance to be played live, it will probably never see the stage.

And that's a darn shame. When I got into Maiden, I got into them much thanks to Dance of Death and Brave New World. Some of those songs, like Paschendale and Dance of Death, I would put up there among Maiden's best. Would love to hear those live again, but chances feel slim.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 14, 2015, 05:14:03 AM
I'd say out of the later stuff, both DOD and Pasch have a very good chance to be played live again.  DOD was even part of TFF tour.  The band seem really content playing a lot more material from the last four albums.  Actually minus AMOLAD.
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Post by: Mladen on May 14, 2015, 05:45:55 AM
I had the chance to catch them on a brief European tour in 2010 and saw them play Benjamin Breeg and These colors don't run. It was fantastic to see some AMOLAD songs. That was one hell of a set list, two thirds were the songs from Brave new world onward and I really appreciated it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2015, 05:47:02 AM
I remember when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. That was awesome.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 14, 2015, 08:00:22 AM
Ya know, I never got why people liked DOD so much (the song I mean).  Its so cheesy. I'd be happy never to hear that live again.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on May 14, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
Ya know, I never got why people liked DOD so much (the song I mean).  Its so cheesy. I'd be happy never to hear that live again.

Eh, I've always liked it. It's an eerie ghost story of a song, plus it played a part in my discovering Ingmar Bergman and his film, "The Seventh Seal." :tup

That said, there's really no denying that the best song off that album is Paschendale. :hefdaddy

I remember when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. That was awesome.

I don't, because I didn't become a fan of the band until after that album cycle ended. :(

It's a tough call between SSoaSS and AMoLaD as Maiden's best album, I think. Both are such killer works!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on May 14, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
I remember when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. That was awesome.

I'm surprised that was never released. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2015, 06:31:58 AM
I remember when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. That was awesome.

I'm surprised that was never released. 

That was awesome, and I doubt any performance of the full album live ever gets released.  As far as I know, only the Download show was filmed and that show was not the full album performance.  The actual album was recorded in a way to give it more of a live sound and feel and I assume the band is content with that, but I wish there was a secret awesome pro shot concert they have in the vault somewhere.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 15, 2015, 09:30:59 AM
From Facebook:


We are very happy to announce that following his recent MRI Scan, Bruce was today officially given the all-clear by his specialists.

Bruce says,

“I would like to thank the fantastic medical team who have been treating me for the last few months, resulting in this amazing outcome. It’s been tough on my family and in many ways it was harder for them than me. I’d also like to send a heartfelt thanks to all our fans for their kind words and thoughts. I’m a firm believer in trying to maintain a positive attitude, and the encouragement from the global Maiden family meant a great deal to me. Right now, I’m feeling extremely motivated and can’t wait to get back to business as usual, as soon as I can!”


Rod Smallwood continues,

“We are of course all absolutely delighted that Bruce’s doctors have pronounced him free of cancer. Although Bruce is naturally eager to resume Maiden activities, it will take a while before he is completely back to full strength, as we explained previously. Because of this, the band will not be touring or playing any shows until next year. We know our fans will understand the situation and, like us, would prefer to wait until Bruce is back to his usual indefatigable levels of fitness before going out on the road.

For now, the focus will be on putting the finishing touches to the new Iron Maiden studio album and that is what we will be concentrating on over the coming weeks. The release however will definitely be this year. Meanwhile, I’d like to echo Bruce’s words and thank all Maiden fans. You have been incredibly patient, putting Bruce’s health and well-being first during this difficult time and the band and I appreciate all your positive support.”
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: theseoafs on May 15, 2015, 09:43:59 AM
 :metal :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
Awesome news for Bruce!!!

and


AWESOME NEWS ON AN ALBUM THIS YEAR!!!  :metal :metal :metal  I guess that confirms the suspicion that they had an album ready before the cancer.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Jaq on May 15, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
Great news about Bruce: figures the guy would be already raring to go, I have no idea where he gets the energy to perform the way he does. New album is just icing on the cake.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on May 15, 2015, 10:32:24 AM
Excellent news!
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Post by: jjrock88 on May 15, 2015, 12:31:31 PM
Good to hear!
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Post by: TAC on May 15, 2015, 12:33:00 PM
Now that's a win-win.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 15, 2015, 04:14:52 PM
That made my day, amazing news.  And a new album is done, oh hell yeah!!  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on May 16, 2015, 03:55:55 AM
That's the news we've all been waiting to hear.  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on May 16, 2015, 03:25:19 PM
I'd say out of the later stuff, both DOD and Pasch have a very good chance to be played live again.  DOD was even part of TFF tour.  The band seem really content playing a lot more material from the last four albums.  Actually minus AMOLAD.
The fact that they dropped Pasch from the TFF tour (after a few pretty shaky performances) makes me think they'll never attempt it again. Maiden aren't really a band to step out of their comfort zone, that applies to setlists too. They tend to shy away from songs that are tricky live.

DoD I'm sure will be back though. That one always seems to go down well.
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on May 16, 2015, 10:37:40 PM
Most excellent news.  Bruce Bruce is running free, ya! Running free!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2015, 03:23:50 AM
I'd say out of the later stuff, both DOD and Pasch have a very good chance to be played live again.  DOD was even part of TFF tour.  The band seem really content playing a lot more material from the last four albums.  Actually minus AMOLAD.
The fact that they dropped Pasch from the TFF tour (after a few pretty shaky performances) makes me think they'll never attempt it again. Maiden aren't really a band to step out of their comfort zone, that applies to setlists too. They tend to shy away from songs that are tricky live.

DoD I'm sure will be back though. That one always seems to go down well.

Oh, I didn't know that.  If that was the case, you're right, they will probably never bother with it again.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2015, 10:13:34 AM
I'd say out of the later stuff, both DOD and Pasch have a very good chance to be played live again.  DOD was even part of TFF tour.  The band seem really content playing a lot more material from the last four albums.  Actually minus AMOLAD.
The fact that they dropped Pasch from the TFF tour (after a few pretty shaky performances) makes me think they'll never attempt it again. Maiden aren't really a band to step out of their comfort zone, that applies to setlists too. They tend to shy away from songs that are tricky live.

DoD I'm sure will be back though. That one always seems to go down well.

Oh, I didn't know that.  If that was the case, you're right, they will probably never bother with it again.

Yup, when that tour started Brighter Than A Thousand Suns was on the set and then was scrapped for Paschendale which was then scrapped for Wrathchild  :facepalm:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on May 17, 2015, 10:50:34 AM
Actually, Brighter was immediately replaced by Wrathchild, while they actually went back and forth with Dance of death and Paschendale for a while before deciding to go with the former for the rest of the tour.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on May 17, 2015, 11:12:40 AM
Yea. Huge bummer, BTATS and Paschendale were two of the best songs on the set. The latter being way better than DoD imo.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2015, 03:46:32 PM
Wrathchild has always been the when in doubt, go to song.  To bad it's 5 minutes shorter than the other songs.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 17, 2015, 03:51:11 PM
They should put Ides of March in front of it live.  So awesome.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on May 17, 2015, 05:16:31 PM
Wrathchild has always been the when in doubt, go to song.  To bad it's 5 minutes shorter than the other songs.
It's a good song and was admittedly a much needed refresher on that tour after 2 newer songs. It really got the audience pumped. Still sucks having to miss out on BTATS though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
It is good, but so safe.  There are plenty of other older tracks the band could crack out that would get the crowd going just as much.

They should put Ides of March in front of it live.  So awesome.

If they did this though, I'd let it in the setlist any day of the week.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on May 21, 2015, 05:25:19 AM
A pretty cool mashup of The Wicker Man and The Hellion/Electric Eye (Judas Priest).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=120&v=HXBb9oRfhkg
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Post by: TAC on May 29, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
On the anniversary, Bravewords reposted this article from the BNW era.
https://bravewords.com/features/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-on-brave-new-world-strangely-we-suddenly-appear-to-be-the-hippest-thing-on-the-planet
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 29, 2015, 05:08:27 PM
Great read!
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Post by: jjrock88 on May 29, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
cool read
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Post by: Anguyen92 on May 29, 2015, 09:21:25 PM
Favorite part of the read so far for me.

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Steve and I are amused and bemused by the constant rumors that we hate each other or we're trying to kill each other and can't exist in the same room together etc., etc., etc. Get this, the French said that Janick and Adrian obviously hate each other because they don't look at each other on stage and then they said that me and Steve didn't touch each other enough. I don't want to fuck him!"

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Post by: Mladen on May 30, 2015, 02:31:09 AM
That was fantastic, such an interesting read after 15 years.  :metal
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 30, 2015, 04:01:50 AM
LOL, this is indeed not recommended:

Bruce crashes in: "You can tell I was obviously having a good time during rehearsals cause me and Jan were paralyzed every night after rehearsal. We'd come back in and go out and do that Belgian beer thing, it's like 8.5%, you know! And there ain't nothin' else to do, so we'd just go out to a blues club till four. It's dangerous you know, it's tough out there I'll tell ya."     
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 30, 2015, 04:07:28 AM
   "We were going to finish up in Long Beach Arena," he says gleefully. "'Scream for me Long Beach,' it's gotta be done, hasn't it? (laughs). I do it every night anyway as it is. I never had a catch phrase before."   
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Post by: Zydar on June 18, 2015, 09:54:01 AM
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/20996_10152858767897051_8504180159185829641_n.jpg?oh=70a527345348914a210a062e89b038ee&oe=56300943)

The Book Of Souls, coming September 4th.

Double album!

1. If Eternity Should Fail (Dickinson) 8:28
2. Speed Of Light (Smith/ Dickinson) 5:01
3. The Great Unknown (Smith/ Harris) 6:37
4. The Red And The Black (Harris) 13:33
5. When The River Runs Deep (Smith/ Harris) 5:52
6. The Book Of Souls (Gers/ Harris) 10:27
Disc 2
7. Death Or Glory (Smith/ Dickinson) 5:13
8. Shadows Of The Valley (Gers/ Harris) 7:32
9. Tears Of A Clown (Smith/ Harris) 4:59
10. The Man Of Sorrows (Murray/ Harris) 6:28
11. Empire Of The Clouds (Dickinson) 18:01
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
More info from facebook

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The Book Of Souls - coming September 4th.
IRON MAIDEN’s eagerly awaited new studio album The Book Of Souls will be released globally on 4th September through Parlophone Records (Sanctuary Copyrights/BMG in the U.S.A.). It was recorded in Paris with their longstanding producer Kevin “Caveman” Shirley in late 2014, with the finishing touches added earlier this year. However, the band decided to delay its release so that vocalist Bruce Dickinson, who was recently given the all-clear from a tumour, would have time to recuperate sufficiently to join in the preparations for the album’s launch.
The stunning cover art was created by Mark Wilkinson who has worked with the band previously, and because this 11 track album has a total running time of 92 minutes, it is IRON MAIDEN’s first ever double studio album. There’s a broader split on the song-writing compared to previous Maiden records, with bassist and founder member Steve Harris contributing to seven of the tracks; 6 of them with Maiden’s guitarists and one sole composition. This is also the first time since 1984’s Powerslave that an IRON MAIDEN studio album also features two tracks written solely by Bruce Dickinson, one of which is the longest song Maiden has ever recorded! And also two Dickinson/Smith collaborations.
Steve comments,
“We approached this album in a different way to how we’ve recorded previously. A lot of the songs were actually written while we were there in the studio and we rehearsed and recorded them straight away while they were still fresh, and I think that immediacy really shows in the songs, they have almost a live feel to them I think. I’m very proud of The Book Of Souls, we all are, and we can’t wait for our fans to hear it, and especially to take it out on the road next year!”
Bruce continues,
“We’re really excited about The Book Of Souls and had a fantastic time creating it. We started working on the album in late summer 2014 and recorded it at Guillame Tell Studios in Paris, where we’d done the Brave New World album back in 2000 so the studio holds special memories for all of us. We were delighted to discover the same magical vibe is still alive and very much kicking there! So we immediately felt at home and the ideas just started flowing. By the time we’d finished we all agreed that each track was such an integral part of the whole body of work that if it needed to be a double album, then double its going to be!”
The full tracklisiting is:

Track listing:
Disc 1
1. If Eternity Should Fail (Dickinson) 8:28
2. Speed Of Light (Smith/ Dickinson) 5:01
3. The Great Unknown (Smith/ Harris) 6:37
4. The Red And The Black (Harris) 13:33
5. When The River Runs Deep (Smith/ Harris) 5:52
6. The Book Of Souls (Gers/ Harris) 10:27
Disc 2
7. Death Or Glory (Smith/ Dickinson) 5:13
8. Shadows Of The Valley (Gers/ Harris) 7:32
9. Tears Of A Clown (Smith/ Harris) 4:59
10. The Man Of Sorrows (Murray/ Harris) 6:28
11. Empire Of The Clouds (Dickinson) 18:01
Formats:
2CD deluxe hardbound book limited edition
2CD standard edition
Triple heavyweight black vinyl
High res audio (24-bit Mastered for ITunes and non-Mastered for iTunes)
Standard res audio (16 bit/ 44.1 kHz)

The Book Of Souls is the band’s 16th studio album since their eponymous debut in 1980 charted at #4 in the UK, in a career achieving sales of over 90 million albums worldwide. Their previous album, 2010’s The Final Frontier was Maiden’s most successful chart-wise to date, reaching Number One in 28 countries and was their highest chart debut in the U.S reaching #4 in the Billboard 200.
Due to Bruce’s illness the band had to delay touring plans but promise to be out on the road again early next year, giving time for Bruce to make a full physical recovery to be ready for the rigours of Maiden live performances.
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Post by: Art on June 18, 2015, 10:07:40 AM
Awesome news! :metal

The only funny part is another "man of sorrows" in Bruce´s career  :laugh:
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Post by: Zantera on June 18, 2015, 10:34:58 AM
TFF was a bit of a disappointment (after AMOLAD was one of their best), but I would say the second half was great (some songs even better than that), it was the first half that was mostly meh. I am really interested in this. Maiden doing an 18 minute song? Sign me up!
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Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on June 18, 2015, 10:48:20 AM
Can't even contain my excitement at this point. Best news I've heard all day! :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2015, 10:56:28 AM
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Post by: PolarizeMe on June 18, 2015, 10:56:53 AM
Holy :censored!
I certainly did not expect this to be a double album but man am I super excited for this album!  :metal
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 18, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
DOUBLE!!!! Yeaaaaaaaazzz  :metal Up the Irons!!!
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Post by: Deathless on June 18, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
18-minute song written by Bruce!  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: TAC on June 18, 2015, 11:23:32 AM
Empire Of The Clouds!!!!
Double CD!!!!

Dream Theater are you paying attention?

Fuck WWRD. It's WWIMD!!!

I am so psyched!!!! Just sat down for lunch at work. Don't know how I'll concentrate the rest of the day.

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Post by: Evermind on June 18, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
This is bloody awesome. :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
Im really digging the track titles as well.  I dont really put much into them, but they are really cool titles.  Same with the album title.  The artwork, eh I cant say I care for it, but I get it that we aren't going to see the same style anymore since they stopped using their artist (cant recall his name, Riggs?)
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Post by: Zydar on June 18, 2015, 11:34:44 AM
Im really digging the track titles as well.  I dont really put much into them, but they are really cool titles.  Same with the album title.  The artwork, eh I cant say I care for it, but I get it that we aren't going to see the same style anymore since they stopped using their artist (cant recall his name, Riggs?)

Derek Riggs, yeah.
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Post by: devieira73 on June 18, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
Wow, really great news! I'm glad they returned to the same studio where it was recorded BNW. IMO the best instruments sounding was achieved in that record. Also very cool that two songs are written only by Bruce (included the biggest Maiden epic! :omg:) and the strong presence of Adrian in the credits.  :tup
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Post by: Anguyen92 on June 18, 2015, 11:47:41 AM
Omg, omg.  So sick.  92 min., double album, 18 min. song.  Hold me, baby!  Well, safe to say that it seems like they are going all-in on this one with this 16th studio album.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
Wow, really great news! I'm glad they returned to the same studio where it was recorded BNW. IMO the best instruments sounding was achieved in that record. Also very cool that two songs are written only by Bruce (included the bigger Maiden epic! :omg:) and the strong presence of Adrian in the credits.  :tup

Totally agree about the BNW sound, that is my favorite sounding IM album.  And the credits give me lots of reasons to believe the songs will be awesome.
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Post by: mikemangioy on June 18, 2015, 11:59:48 AM
I think I'm in love  :hefdaddy
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 18, 2015, 12:33:03 PM
All kinds of awesome!! Two Smith/Dickinson collab is also all kinds of awesome!  :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on June 18, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
Outstanding news! 18 minute song, wow!
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Post by: Polarbear on June 18, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
Sounds great! Can't wait to hear that 18 minute epic.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on June 18, 2015, 01:56:32 PM
This got me very excited.

An 18-minute epic? Maiden going full-on prog? A double disc? Maiden just got to deliver and they will do so  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

And I really like the stripped down cover.

So come on September 4th.
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Post by: wolfking on June 18, 2015, 03:52:18 PM
This is just fucking fabulous, words can't fully describe!!  :hefdaddy

The cover at first I wasn't so sure, but looking at it more, I think it serves its purpose.  Reminds me of a Blaze era type cover though for some reason.
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Post by: adace on June 18, 2015, 04:21:32 PM
One of my most anticipated albums of the year :metal
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Post by: ozzy554 on June 18, 2015, 04:57:24 PM
I'm definitely pre-ordering this one.

I like the artwork, its simple and eddie actually looks like eddie. I do think it could've used a background though.
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Post by: jammindude on June 18, 2015, 08:59:40 PM
This is just fucking fabulous, words can't fully describe!!  :hefdaddy

The cover at first I wasn't so sure, but looking at it more, I think it serves its purpose.  Reminds me of a Blaze era type cover though for some reason.

Minus the grotesque factor, he's kindof "blocked" the same way as he was on TXF, so that may be what's sparking a memory.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 18, 2015, 09:41:17 PM
This is just fucking fabulous, words can't fully describe!!  :hefdaddy

The cover at first I wasn't so sure, but looking at it more, I think it serves its purpose.  Reminds me of a Blaze era type cover though for some reason.

Minus the grotesque factor, he's kindof "blocked" the same way as he was on TXF, so that may be what's sparking a memory.

I'm honestly getting flashbacks both of TXF and Bruce's The Chemical Wedding. I'm hoping it's a darker-sounding album in the vein of those works. I'm especially excited to hear both of Bruce's two songs, as he's probably my personal favorite songwriter in the band. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that "If Eternity Should Fail" ends up dealing with similar lyrical themes as "Starblind" does. :drool:
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2015, 01:53:06 AM
Only two Gets songs in a double album is a plus. Eddie looks like Eddie again - and is REALLY well drawn!!!
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on June 19, 2015, 03:48:24 AM
Outstanding news! 18 minute song, wow!

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!  :metal
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Post by: Mladen on June 19, 2015, 04:53:00 AM
This was circling around the web as a rumor yesterday and I immediately yelled out "fake". I didn't want to believe anything until it was announced on ironmaiden.com. I can't describe how stupid I feel now that the supposedly fake news is up on their website.  :lol

Bring it on, this is extremely exciting. The fourth of September will be the date of the year.  :metal
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2015, 05:20:52 AM
This was circling around the web as a rumor yesterday and I immediately yelled out "fake". I didn't want to believe anything until it was announced on ironmaiden.com. I can't describe how stupid I feel now that the supposedly fake news is up on their website.  :lol

Bring it on, this is extremely exciting. The fourth of September will be the date of the year.  :metal

I still remember when the rumours surfaced in 1999 that Maiden's then new album was to be called " Majesty of Gaia".
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Post by: wolfking on June 19, 2015, 06:32:50 AM
This is just fucking fabulous, words can't fully describe!!  :hefdaddy

The cover at first I wasn't so sure, but looking at it more, I think it serves its purpose.  Reminds me of a Blaze era type cover though for some reason.

Minus the grotesque factor, he's kindof "blocked" the same way as he was on TXF, so that may be what's sparking a memory.

Yes, you're right, it does bring TXF cover to mind now that you mention it.

Only two Gets songs in a double album is a plus. Eddie looks like Eddie again - and is REALLY well drawn!!!

I find his songrwriting some of the strongest of the reunion era.

This was circling around the web as a rumor yesterday and I immediately yelled out "fake". I didn't want to believe anything until it was announced on ironmaiden.com. I can't describe how stupid I feel now that the supposedly fake news is up on their website.  :lol

Bring it on, this is extremely exciting. The fourth of September will be the date of the year.  :metal

I still remember when the rumours surfaced in 1999 that Maiden's then new album was to be called " Majesty of Gaia".

Twist of Fate was another one I believe.
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Post by: devieira73 on June 19, 2015, 06:50:21 AM
Only two Gets songs in a double album is a plus. Eddie looks like Eddie again - and is REALLY well drawn!!!
I get why Janick is seen as the weaker guitar player on Maiden, his performances in studio and more so live are kind of messy… but he always written some really cool tunes: be quick or be dead, man on the edge, the unbeliever, ghost of the navigator, dream of mirrors... and IMO montségur and the legacy are two of the best songs ever written by Maiden.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2015, 07:22:08 AM
 :tup :tup to The Legacy, a top 5 IM song for me.
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Post by: faizoff on June 19, 2015, 10:19:35 AM
Yea no doubt Gers writes some amazing tunes, his playing live is sometimes iffy but then again he looks like he's having a blast on stage.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2015, 10:33:23 AM
Yea no doubt Gers writes some amazing tunes, his playing live is sometimes iffy but then again he looks like he's having a blast on stage.

Yea, he is really fun to watch just cause he is so active on stage.  I would imagine it is hard to play perfect while running, jumping, and throwing your guitar in the air.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 19, 2015, 11:16:07 AM
Janick gets a lot of unnecessary flack. He's not the best guitarist in the band, that'd obviously be Adrian, but you can tell he's passionate about what he does for the band. Gotta respect that.

I'm really curious to see what sort of direction the band went in this time around. It definitely seems like it'll be a darker album, if the cover is anything to go by, which is normally the case for IM covers.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 19, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
Um...pretty much all of Maiden's covers are dark.  (as in, they convey a dark message) 
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 19, 2015, 11:23:46 AM
Um...pretty much all of Maiden's covers are dark.  (as in, they convey a dark message)

Oh certainly, but I mean "dark" in relation to the band's music itself. This album cover is reminiscent of the artwork for The X Factor and A Matter of Life and Death, tonally speaking. Those albums are noted for being considerably more brooding than other albums by the band.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2015, 04:11:47 PM
When it comes to Gers, I find that the rule of thumb is that if you've been a Maiden fan before 1988 (like me), there's a good chance you don't like him, regardless of his stage performance, his good compositions or passional about the band. I don't care what this guy does, he'll always stick out like a sore thumb to me.
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Post by: wolfking on June 19, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
When it comes to Gers, I find that the rule of thumb is that if you've been a Maiden fan before 1988 (like me), there's a good chance you don't like him, regardless of his stage performance, his good compositions or passional about the band. I don't care what this guy does, he'll always stick out like a sore thumb to me.

I think with this line of thinking, which is common I know towards Janick, that's the fans issue for not embracing that the band changed.  Adrian left and they needed a replacement.  When Bruce rejoined, he wanted Adrian to rejoin too, and I'm glad they kept Janick, it would have been wrong IMO to boot him out for Adrian.
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Post by: TAC on June 19, 2015, 04:22:15 PM
When it comes to Gers, I find that the rule of thumb is that if you've been a Maiden fan before 1988 (like me), there's a good chance you don't like him, regardless of his stage performance, his good compositions or passional about the band. I don't care what this guy does, he'll always stick out like a sore thumb to me.

Rod, I'm an old fan too, and I can't disagree with you, but I believe the Gers is an integral part of today's Maiden. He's a big part of the great chemistry this band has in the Reunion era.
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Post by: wolfking on June 19, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
Yeah, he needs to be there.  His songwriting adds another dimension to the reunion albums, which IMO is a great thing.
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Post by: Dream Team on June 19, 2015, 09:27:08 PM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\
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Post by: jammindude on June 19, 2015, 10:21:13 PM
For me, Iron Maiden is kindof that band that is so good at "that one thing" that it's almost not fair.   Because they've ruined it for everyone else that has tried to do what they invariably perfected.    True, it is just "that one thing"...but they do it so well that no one else can compete. 
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on June 20, 2015, 02:36:13 AM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Yeah, they "jumped the shark" for those suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder.  ::)
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2015, 03:21:54 AM
I think we can all agree that there will likely be long intros and outros, but I wouldn't use the term "jumping the shark" to describe that.  I do hope they get more creative, but what really long songs do not have long intros and outros?  I just hope they aren't all acoustic.  If you take out the 18 minute song, the rest of the average song lengths seem like they may be less than the last two albums (I didnt do the math so I could be wrong).
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 20, 2015, 03:27:58 AM
Don´t think I´ve been this excited for an upcoming Maiden release in a Long, long time....
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 20, 2015, 04:29:23 AM
So excited gadddamn
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 20, 2015, 04:45:10 AM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Yeah, they "jumped the shark" for those suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder.  ::)

I've got ADHD (admittedly a bit of a difference from ADD though) and I still love their prog era! :metal :tup
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on June 20, 2015, 06:23:14 AM
 :metal

I have mild OCD, and still love their entire catalog!! I re-experienced an affinity for prog starting earlier this year (Flying Colors, Neal Morse, Transatlantic, DT ((Duh!!)), IM), so this is merely a natural musical evolution revolution!!  :tup
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Post by: Scorpion on June 20, 2015, 08:33:43 AM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Let's wait to hear the songs, yeah? I mean, I'm surprised by the song lengths too, so it's not impossible that they will surprise me again with the actual content of the songs. It's possible you're right, but why call it jumping the shark if you don't even know what the songs will sound like?
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Post by: ozzy554 on June 20, 2015, 09:11:28 AM
Only two Gets songs in a double album is a plus. Eddie looks like Eddie again - and is REALLY well drawn!!!
I get why Janick is seen as the weaker guitar player on Maiden, his performances in studio and more so live are kind of messy… but he always written some really cool tunes: be quick or be dead, man on the edge, the unbeliever, ghost of the navigator, dream of mirrors... and IMO montségur and the legacy are two of the best songs ever written by Maiden.

The talisman is also really good, its one of my favorite songs from TFF
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 20, 2015, 09:23:57 AM
Janick's best song with Maiden, imo, is The Legacy. One of my personal favorites off AMoLaD.  :hefdaddy
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Post by: Mladen on June 20, 2015, 12:18:58 PM
I personally find Gers to be the best songwriter of the reunion era. Pretty much all of his songs are excellent.
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Post by: Zantera on June 20, 2015, 12:21:06 PM
The Legacy is a top5 Maiden song for me.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 20, 2015, 12:23:43 PM
I personally find Gers to be the best songwriter of the reunion era. Pretty much all of his songs are excellent.

Janick is a great songwriter, but I think Bruce and H are still the best songwriters in the band. :tup

The Legacy is a top5 Maiden song for me.

:metal :tup :hefdaddy
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Post by: Dream Team on June 20, 2015, 08:49:10 PM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Let's wait to hear the songs, yeah? I mean, I'm surprised by the song lengths too, so it's not impossible that they will surprise me again with the actual content of the songs. It's possible you're right, but why call it jumping the shark if you don't even know what the songs will sound like?

Uh, recent past history? So either even more extended intros, or choruses that repeat a zillion times. I would LOVE to be proven wrong.
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Post by: Zook on June 20, 2015, 09:23:17 PM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Let's wait to hear the songs, yeah? I mean, I'm surprised by the song lengths too, so it's not impossible that they will surprise me again with the actual content of the songs. It's possible you're right, but why call it jumping the shark if you don't even know what the songs will sound like?

Uh, recent past history? So either even more extended intros, or choruses that repeat a zillion times. I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

This is exactly the problem with Modern Maiden, and why I stopped listening to their new stuff. I couldn't even make it through TFF, and it completely baffles me that AMOLAD gets so much praise. Brave New World is no different, but at least the songs were well written enough that I could give it a pass. Sure, the lazy repeated choruses were a thing in the 80s as well, but again, the songs were well written, and weren't a Fear of the Dark mellow intro, heavy middle, repeated chorus times infinity, solos solos solos, repeated chorus times infinity plus one, mellow outro. It's like if every modern Dream Theater song was written like Endless Sacrifice.

I'm going to give the album a shot, but if it's the same old crap, I'm done for good.
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Post by: jammindude on June 20, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Let's wait to hear the songs, yeah? I mean, I'm surprised by the song lengths too, so it's not impossible that they will surprise me again with the actual content of the songs. It's possible you're right, but why call it jumping the shark if you don't even know what the songs will sound like?

Uh, recent past history? So either even more extended intros, or choruses that repeat a zillion times. I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

This is exactly the problem with Modern Maiden, and why I stopped listening to their new stuff. I couldn't even make it through TFF, and it completely baffles me that AMOLAD gets so much praise. Brave New World is no different, but at least the songs were well written enough that I could give it a pass. Sure, the lazy repeated choruses were a thing in the 80s as well, but again, the songs were well written, and weren't a Fear of the Dark mellow intro, heavy middle, repeated chorus times infinity, solos solos solos, repeated chorus times infinity plus one, mellow outro. It's like if every modern Dream Theater song was written like Endless Sacrifice.

I'm going to give the album a shot, but if it's the same old crap, I'm done for good.

Actually, the reasons you mentioned were exactly the reason I *DID* love AMOLAD.   I didn't hit a song that repeated the same phrase eight times until 3/4ths of the way through the album.    It was incredibly refreshing.    And yes, there was some of the "formula" there, but it wasn't as in your face as the rest of the reunion albums.   I still think it stands out among all of them.    TBH (we're blood brothers) I can't figure (we're blood brothers) why BNW (we're blood brothers) gets so much attention.














































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Post by: 425 on June 20, 2015, 11:03:48 PM
Actually, the reasons you mentioned were exactly the reason I *DID* love AMOLAD.   I didn't hit a song that repeated the same phrase eight times until 3/4ths of the way through the album.    It was incredibly refreshing.    And yes, there was some of the "formula" there, but it wasn't as in your face as the rest of the reunion albums.   I still think it stands out among all of them.

The Final Frontier is the same way. Yes, there's the final frontier, the final frontier, the final frontier, the final frontier, but then that's it with the endlessly repeated lines for the whole album.

Iron Maiden has basically spent at least the past two decades of studio albums perfecting the transition of their style of music into a full-on prog metal context. They naturally evolved into a proto-prog style in 1988 for Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, but I think that scared Harris at the time which resulted in that little diversion into No Prayer for the Dying which continued over into much of Fear of the Dark. The X Factor is the first album of what I would call the modern era of Iron Maiden, and it's really been a progression from there with 'Arry and the guys becoming more ambitious and trying to figure out how to be a prog metal act while still being Iron Maiden.

Virtual XI is evidence of some of the hiccups that came with that transition (though I still think it's a solid album), and, yes, to some extent Brave New World had similar problems, though these were lessened by the addition of Bruce and H and the high quality of songwriting across the board, despite the repetition. Dance of Death is just overall not as good as BNW from a songwriting perspective, though there definitely are gems. But on these last two albums I think they've really come into their own in their current style, which is still easily recognizable as Maiden but much more ambitious and proggy than, say Piece of Mind. I'd definitely rate AMOLAD and TFF as among the best albums of their discography, with TFF maybe being my favorite Maiden album (I think TFF has slightly better songwriting than AMOLAD—The Longest Day meanders a bit and I'm not a huge Out of the Shadows fan).

That's why I'm really excited for this new album. It seems like yet another attempt by this band to be more ambitious as musicians and to continue to tweak and perfect their little 20 year foray into prog. The presence of three 10-minute-plus songs and a smattering of shorter tracks as well is quite exciting, to me. What other band would write a song equally as long as the longest song of their career AND one five minutes longer than that for their 16th studio album? I'm not nearly as big of a Maiden fan as I once was, and I rarely listen to them anymore, but I am definitely anticipating the release of this record.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 04:22:47 PM
I will say that "Empire of the Clouds" should be a very interesting experiment for the band, considering that it's coming from Bruce and not Steve or Adrian. While he's really the "heaviest" member in the band, Bruce also is openly a fan of some of prog rock/metal's more obscure and creatively interesting bands out there (i.e. Van Der Graaf Generator, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster and Jethro Tull).

In comparison, Steve is a lot more "traditional" in his influences, such as UFO and Genesis. That's not at all slight against him, I just think we all know what an eighteen minute long epic from Steve would probably sound like. With Bruce, I think it's possible that we're in for some strange and interesting stuff.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 22, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
Virtual XI seems like a collection of leftovers which were left over from a leftovers album.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
I will say that "Empire of the Clouds" should be a very interesting experiment for the band, considering that it's coming from Bruce and not Steve or Adrian. While he's really the "heaviest" member in the band, Bruce also is openly a fan of some of prog rock/metal's more obscure and creatively interesting bands out there (i.e. Van Der Graaf Generator, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster and Jethro Tull).

In comparison, Steve is a lot more "traditional" in his influences, such as UFO and Genesis. That's not at all slight against him, I just think we all know what an eighteen minute long epic from Steve would probably sound like. With Bruce, I think it's possible that we're in for some strange and interesting stuff.

I agree with this. 

I'm most excited about is that there is a 4 songs where Steve has no involvement.  Two Bruce solo and two Smth/Dickinson.  Now that gets me going.  Not a knock on Steve but as you said, bodes for some variety.
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Post by: Nick on June 22, 2015, 06:27:52 PM
Virtual XI seems like a collection of leftovers which were left over from a leftovers album.

:lol This is a beautiful description of that album.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 06:30:51 PM
I will say that "Empire of the Clouds" should be a very interesting experiment for the band, considering that it's coming from Bruce and not Steve or Adrian. While he's really the "heaviest" member in the band, Bruce also is openly a fan of some of prog rock/metal's more obscure and creatively interesting bands out there (i.e. Van Der Graaf Generator, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster and Jethro Tull).

In comparison, Steve is a lot more "traditional" in his influences, such as UFO and Genesis. That's not at all slight against him, I just think we all know what an eighteen minute long epic from Steve would probably sound like. With Bruce, I think it's possible that we're in for some strange and interesting stuff.

I agree with this. 

I'm most excited about is that there is a 4 songs where Steve has no involvement.  Two Bruce solo and two Smth/Dickinson.  Now that gets me going.  Not a knock on Steve but as you said, bodes for some variety.

Exactly. Plus, as a huge fan of Bruce as a solo artist and as a songwriter in general, I'm curious to hear what are seemingly his two most ambitious songs ever (I don't think Bruce has ever single-handedly written a song that's as long as "If Eternity Should Fail," much less "Empire of the Clouds"). The fact that Bruce's songs both open and close the album bode well for how strong they are, I think. It probably took something very impressive for Steve to let Bruce take the focus away from his usual "solo-written" epic and the usual Maiden opener.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 06:32:27 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.

Speaking of BNW, I'm curious to see if TBoS will end up having a similar "sound" to that album. It's arguably Maiden's best sounding record, even if the songwriting itself hasn't held up.
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Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 06:34:39 PM
I will say that "Empire of the Clouds" should be a very interesting experiment for the band, considering that it's coming from Bruce and not Steve or Adrian. While he's really the "heaviest" member in the band, Bruce also is openly a fan of some of prog rock/metal's more obscure and creatively interesting bands out there (i.e. Van Der Graaf Generator, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster and Jethro Tull).

In comparison, Steve is a lot more "traditional" in his influences, such as UFO and Genesis. That's not at all slight against him, I just think we all know what an eighteen minute long epic from Steve would probably sound like. With Bruce, I think it's possible that we're in for some strange and interesting stuff.

I agree with this. 

I'm most excited about is that there is a 4 songs where Steve has no involvement.  Two Bruce solo and two Smth/Dickinson.  Now that gets me going.  Not a knock on Steve but as you said, bodes for some variety.

Exactly. Plus, as a huge fan of Bruce as a solo artist and as a songwriter in general, I'm curious to hear what are seemingly his two most ambitious songs ever (I don't think Bruce has ever single-handedly written a song that's as long as "If Eternity Should Fail," much less "Empire of the Clouds"). The fact that Bruce's songs both open and close the album bode well for how strong they are, I think. It probably took something very impressive for Steve to let Bruce take the focus away from his usual "solo-written" epic and the usual Maiden opener.

Good call here.  Since the reunion Steve has been involved in the songwriting of every song bar New Frontier.  What you mentioned here definitely says something.  And you can't go wrong with the Smith/Dickinson tag either.  Damn, I'm so pumped for this.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 06:35:41 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.

Speaking of BNW, I'm curious to see if TBoS will end up having a similar "sound" to that album. It's arguably Maiden's best sounding record, even if the songwriting itself hasn't held up.

I disagree with the songwriting, it's still one of my favs, but I agree with the production, a wonderful sounding album.  I just hope this new one is better sounding than DOD and TFF.
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Post by: TAC on June 22, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
There's some good stuff on VXI.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 06:43:55 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.

Speaking of BNW, I'm curious to see if TBoS will end up having a similar "sound" to that album. It's arguably Maiden's best sounding record, even if the songwriting itself hasn't held up.

I disagree with the songwriting, it's still one of my favs, but I agree with the production, a wonderful sounding album.  I just hope this new one is better sounding than DOD and TFF.

It's a great album, no doubt, but I need to hear it again to see if my opinion on it has changed (again). :lol It's been awhile since I last gave it a spin.

Well, it seems like reunion-era Maiden has this habit of releasing a "classic" album with great overall work and production (BNW, AMoLaD), then following it up with a shoddy sounding album that has multiple knock-out high points (Paschendale, Rainmaker, DoD, Starblind, Coming Home, Isle of Avalon, When the Wild Wind Blows). So, if nothing else, I'm thinking/hoping we get a better production this time around.

Someone over at MaidenFan forums said they got to hear the title track recently via a promo disk due to their record label connections. Apparently he only got to hear it once, but he thought that it had a very "live" sounding production and that the songwriting felt like a continuation from TFF. Dunno if he was telling the truth or not, but I figured it was worth sharing.
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Post by: TAC on June 22, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
Any comparison to TFF (the album) is good news!
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
Any comparison to TFF (the album) is good news!

True, but then again, this is just one song and a song from one of the more predictable songwriting teams in Maiden (Harris/Gers). It'll be great, no doubt about that, but I'm curious to see what Bruce and H have come up with on their own, without having Steve come in and arranging the songs in a more "Maiden-esque" manner.
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Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.

Speaking of BNW, I'm curious to see if TBoS will end up having a similar "sound" to that album. It's arguably Maiden's best sounding record, even if the songwriting itself hasn't held up.

I disagree with the songwriting, it's still one of my favs, but I agree with the production, a wonderful sounding album.  I just hope this new one is better sounding than DOD and TFF.

It's a great album, no doubt, but I need to hear it again to see if my opinion on it has changed (again). :lol It's been awhile since I last gave it a spin.

Well, it seems like reunion-era Maiden has this habit of releasing a "classic" album with great overall work and production (BNW, AMoLaD), then following it up with a shoddy sounding album that has multiple knock-out high points (Paschendale, Rainmaker, DoD, Starblind, Coming Home, Isle of Avalon, When the Wild Wind Blows). So, if nothing else, I'm thinking/hoping we get a better production this time around.

Someone over at MaidenFan forums said they got to hear the title track recently via a promo disk due to their record label connections. Apparently he only got to hear it once, but he thought that it had a very "live" sounding production and that the songwriting felt like a continuation from TFF. Dunno if he was telling the truth or not, but I figured it was worth sharing.

Dunno if I like the sound of that.  Even though TFF was great, I thought it was pretty loppy in parts.  I'm hoping for something a bit tighter.  Depends if he means the production or performances themselves.  They have been going for that live feel thing since BNW.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 22, 2015, 08:23:29 PM
^ I thought the same thing. 

I don't love TFF, and part of the reason I was so excited for this album was that even just the artwork seemed to hint to a return to a more darker theme.

I don't want to keep fucking around in deep space.

I don't want a NPFTD -> FOTD rehash, I want a fuckeeeen... I dunno.... NOTB -> POM axis of awesome. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 23, 2015, 05:57:46 AM
Speed of Light single out on August 14.

Also, this man is a god;

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-visits-music-therapy-center-in-london/
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Post by: Zydar on June 23, 2015, 06:25:22 AM
I bet "Empire Of The Clouds" is some kind of aviation story, since it's all Bruce :P

(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sm1-SHP2L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 23, 2015, 06:53:54 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-visits-music-therapy-center-in-london/

<3 what a legend
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 23, 2015, 07:07:21 AM
I bet "Empire Of The Clouds" is some kind of aviation story, since it's all Bruce :P

(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sm1-SHP2L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

I thought about that, but I really don't know if there's a way to make an interesting eighteen minute long song about that sort of thing. :lol I suppose it's doable. Just seems weird, even for Bruce.

I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).
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Post by: TAC on June 23, 2015, 07:48:11 AM
I bet "Empire Of The Clouds" is some kind of aviation story, since it's all Bruce :P

(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sm1-SHP2L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Good call!
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Post by: 425 on June 23, 2015, 10:24:17 AM
I thought about that, but I really don't know if there's a way to make an interesting eighteen minute long song about that sort of thing. :lol I suppose it's doable. Just seems weird, even for Bruce.

I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).

pls IM

Starblind is easily in my top 5 both musically and lyrically.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Art on June 23, 2015, 10:33:11 AM
Speed of Light single out on August 14.

Also, this man is a god;

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-visits-music-therapy-center-in-london/

good guy bruce  :metal

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Post by: Mladen on June 23, 2015, 12:30:28 PM
I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).
That would be fantastic, Starblind was tremendous lyrically. I can't wait for the single.  :metal

And yeah, that Bruce related news is wonderful. It's great how Bruce isn't really involved in the social media and he can't go "hey, look what I just did, I'm a true humanitarian" - he's not doing it for publicity, he's doing it because he's a good guy indeed.
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Post by: jjrock88 on June 24, 2015, 01:00:44 AM
Speed of Light single out on August 14.

Also, this man is a god;

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-visits-music-therapy-center-in-london/

good guy bruce  :metal
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Post by: djbj on June 24, 2015, 04:30:36 PM
I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).

Well thankfully no metal band has ever dared to try questioning organized religion before.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 24, 2015, 06:13:28 PM
I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).

Well thankfully no metal band has ever dared to try questioning organized religion before.

It's not an unexplored topic in rock/metal, I know, but it's something that Bruce seems to be fond of and I just get the impression that it's a likely possibility that at least one of those two songs will be dealing with the subject lyrically.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 24, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
has anyone done a top 100 maiden songs list?  my bro just sent me his and I'm gonna do one now.
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Post by: Scorpion on June 24, 2015, 11:50:08 PM
There's a thread for different people doing Top 25 Maiden songs.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36365.0
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 25, 2015, 01:18:48 AM
Ah right, that was during my hiatus.
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Post by: wolfking on June 25, 2015, 05:14:34 AM
Feel free to resurrect the thread bro.
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Post by: Dream Team on June 26, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
Good thing Dickinson recorded all his vocals before the cancer scare; if not that would have seriously delayed the release date.
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Post by: wolfking on June 26, 2015, 04:02:21 PM
Seems like he got the cancer scare not long after they finished at all, if not during the end.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 26, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
Good thing Dickinson recorded all his vocals before the cancer scare; if not that would have seriously delayed the release date.

Indeed. From the sound of his voice during the performances at Rock Am Ring and Sonisphere last year, I'm thinking Bruce should sound pretty fine on the album, if perhaps not quite as great as he did on TFF. Depends on how patient he and the band were with getting his vocals right.

Seems like he got the cancer scare not long after they finished at all, if not during the end.

Indeed. I'm curious to see how he holds up on the tour next year. I'm sure most folks will understand if he's not quite back vocally, considering the treatments he had to have gone through.
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Post by: wolfking on June 26, 2015, 04:48:16 PM
Hopefully it calls for a more obscure and varied setlist, more custome made to Bruce's vocals.  We don't want to hear the usual songs if Bruce has to struggle.  Do some other songs that are more suited for Bruce's lower end, not so high.

Or, I know 'Arry has always refused to, but detune.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 26, 2015, 04:52:24 PM
Hopefully it calls for a more obscure and varied setlist, more custome made to Bruce's vocals.  We don't want to hear the usual songs if Bruce has to struggle.  Do some other songs that are more suited for Bruce's lower end, not so high.

Or, I know 'Arry has always refused to, but detune.

Agreed. However, I'm not even sure which songs in the Maiden catalogue are really suited for Bruce's lower voice in that sort of way. Even when singing Paul's and Blaze's songs, he usually sings them in his own more operatic manner.
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Post by: Mosh on June 26, 2015, 06:36:56 PM
Yea that could open the door to some possible Blaze tunes, too bad they'll probably never play from that era again though.
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Post by: jammindude on June 26, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
I was really excited when I first heard that Bruce had done The Sign of the Cross...but I was a bit mixed on the final product.   The song itself is still incredible, but it seemed to me like maybe they played it just a bit faster (???) and Bruce didn't really sing it with the same "conviction" that Blaze did.     Man....I freakin LOVE that song...
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 07:41:30 PM
Sign of the Cross is AMAZING. It's always been one of my favorite Maiden songs and it's really held up. I first heard it on Rock In Rio, and Bruce does it pretty well. I agree, jammin, that Blaze has a bit more conviction on it. Probably the only Blaze era song where I don't have a strongly preferred singer. And it's just a spectacular song. It has my very favorite Dave Murray solo. Would love to have it show up live just one more time.
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Post by: jjrock88 on June 26, 2015, 07:55:54 PM
It would be cool to bring one or two Blaze era songs out of the vault
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 26, 2015, 08:07:22 PM
Yeah, "Como Estais Amigos" needs to be played...

































NOT!!!!!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 08:42:36 PM
Hey, that's an awesome song.

I was really excited when I first heard that Bruce had done The Sign of the Cross...but I was a bit mixed on the final product.   The song itself is still incredible, but it seemed to me like maybe they played it just a bit faster (???) and Bruce didn't really sing it with the same "conviction" that Blaze did.     Man....I freakin LOVE that song...

I wonder if the 'conviction' thing just comes down to the fact that the song is pretty much a walk in the park for Bruce's register, whereas it sounded like Blaze was literally singing for his life in the chorus. 
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 09:04:29 PM
Como Estais is a nice song. But I'd rather see them pull out Blood On the World's Hands, Edge of Darkness or When Two Worlds Collide. Or even an abbreviated version of The Angel and the Gambler (pipe dream, I know).
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 09:06:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the single edit of Angel and the Gambler is all good.  I'd take that in me setlist any day of the week, over Iron Maiden, Fear of the Dark, Run to the Hills or Running Free or The Trooper or any of those other 'signature' songs that should've been axed from the list years ago.
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 09:16:20 PM
:tup

It really is sad the way things turned out with The Angel and the Gambler. It's a really good 5-6 minute song. There's a lot of great songwriting in there, just that the decision to take it out to 9 minutes killed any chance it ever had of being popular. I will say that they'll never drop Iron Maiden. They haven't played a show without it in 40 years and they won't start now. I think Fear of the Dark could take some time off, as could Run to the Hills and Running Free. The Trooper can stick around as far as I'm concerned, but TAATG definitely deserves a go. Won't get it, but it deserves it.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 09:20:10 PM
You wouldn't drop Iron Maiden?  I dont know that Ive ever enjoyed that song haha
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 09:24:10 PM
I've honestly never thought about whether I'd drop Iron Maiden because you simply can't. The band simply never will not play it. They've played it in every show ever. It's a staple of the set. It's always the last song before the encore, and it is always going to be. It's not that great of a song, but I almost don't even think of it as a song, just as an aspect of their live show.

So, I guess my answer is no. I would not drop Iron Maiden. It is so integral to their live show that a Maiden concert without the title song would simply feel wrong.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 09:25:29 PM
I definitely see where you're coming from, and totally agree, but I'd still drop the shit out of it given the chance. 
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Post by: jammindude on June 26, 2015, 10:20:56 PM
I've never seen Iron Maiden live....but when I do, I would not have my heart broken if they dropped RttH or The Trooper.    Running Free and IM have audience participation aspects of them that I wouldn't want to miss out on.   (seems a bit like a 'rite of passage' at an IM show now)

But now that I've discovered AMOLAD, I am so bummed that I missed that tour.   May have been second best tour since the PS tour.   
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 26, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
I've never seen Iron Maiden live....but when I do, I would not have my heart broken if they dropped RttH or The Trooper.    Running Free and IM have audience participation aspects of them that I wouldn't want to miss out on.   (seems a bit like a 'rite of passage' at an IM show now)

But now that I've discovered AMOLAD, I am so bummed that I missed that tour.   May have been second best tour since the PS tour.

Same, though I would've wanted to go to one of the shows on the European leg where they actually played the whole album live. I seem to recall that they changed up the setlist once they went stateside, but I'm not sure.
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 11:10:21 PM
I've never seen Iron Maiden live....but when I do, I would not have my heart broken if they dropped RttH or The Trooper.    Running Free and IM have audience participation aspects of them that I wouldn't want to miss out on.   (seems a bit like a 'rite of passage' at an IM show now)

But now that I've discovered AMOLAD, I am so bummed that I missed that tour.   May have been second best tour since the PS tour.

I've only seen Maiden live once, on the Maiden England tour back in 2012. I got both RTTH and The Trooper. I feel like The Trooper is more essential than RTTH (I couldn't even remember for sure if they'd played RTTH until I just checked, while I definitely remembered The Trooper). Iron Maiden is absolutely vital and I'd have been confused if they hadn't played that.

What really killed me was missing Hallowed Be Thy Name. I get that they play that every tour and wanted to give it one time off, but man, that was not a fun one to miss.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 27, 2015, 04:00:27 AM
I've only seen Maiden live once, on the Maiden England tour back in 2012. I got both RTTH and The Trooper. I feel like The Trooper is more essential than RTTH (I couldn't even remember for sure if they'd played RTTH until I just checked, while I definitely remembered The Trooper). Iron Maiden is absolutely vital and I'd have been confused if they hadn't played that.

What really killed me was missing Hallowed Be Thy Name. I get that they play that every tour and wanted to give it one time off, but man, that was not a fun one to miss.

I actually didn't mind not getting Hallowed Be Thy Name when I saw them in 2013, because I got two other, much rarer epics out of it: Phantom of the Opera and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. The latter of which I actually have pretty much always ranked notably higher on my list of favorite Maiden songs than Hallowed and I think Phantom moved past it in recent years too. I do hope that I get to hear Hallowed live next time around though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2015, 06:23:26 AM
I've never seen Iron Maiden live....but when I do, I would not have my heart broken if they dropped RttH or The Trooper.    Running Free and IM have audience participation aspects of them that I wouldn't want to miss out on.   (seems a bit like a 'rite of passage' at an IM show now)

But now that I've discovered AMOLAD, I am so bummed that I missed that tour.   May have been second best tour since the PS tour.

Same, though I would've wanted to go to one of the shows on the European leg where they actually played the whole album live. I seem to recall that they changed up the setlist once they went stateside, but I'm not sure.

Nope,we got the entire album in the states as well, which was an amazing show.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 27, 2015, 03:31:14 PM
Nope,we got the entire album in the states as well, which was an amazing show.

 :| Oh...

 :(
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on June 27, 2015, 07:24:08 PM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 28, 2015, 09:34:28 AM
Not sure if this been posted but:

What's your Maiden moment? (https://www.nordoff-robbins.org.uk/news/whats-your-maiden-moment?utm_source=MaidenMoment&utm_medium=Socials&utm_campaign=Maiden%20Moment)

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The winner will receive a replica of the red “Trooper” jacket worn by Maiden vocalist Bruce Dickinson, signed by him and a Limited Edition vinyl picture discs of the first 8 Iron Maiden albums packaged in gatefold sleeves and housed in a (Black) Collector’s Box4.
The runner up will receive a Limited Edition black vinyl discs of the first 8 Iron Maiden albums.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 28, 2015, 12:23:07 PM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.

It'll come out eventually. The only tour they haven't recordes is Somewhere on Tour.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 28, 2015, 04:18:03 PM
Not sure if this been posted but:

What's your Maiden moment? (https://www.nordoff-robbins.org.uk/news/whats-your-maiden-moment?utm_source=MaidenMoment&utm_medium=Socials&utm_campaign=Maiden%20Moment)

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The winner will receive a replica of the red “Trooper” jacket worn by Maiden vocalist Bruce Dickinson, signed by him and a Limited Edition vinyl picture discs of the first 8 Iron Maiden albums packaged in gatefold sleeves and housed in a (Black) Collector’s Box4.
The runner up will receive a Limited Edition black vinyl discs of the first 8 Iron Maiden albums.

First 8 albums?  That seems weird to stop at NPFTD.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on June 28, 2015, 07:03:47 PM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.

It'll come out eventually. The only tour they haven't recordes is Somewhere on Tour.
Hopefully, Maiden can be weird with their dvd releases so it's hard to tell what they have planned.

Did they film shows from the leg where they played the whole album though? I know they filmed Donington 07 but that didn't contain the whole album.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 28, 2015, 08:06:06 PM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.

It'll come out eventually. The only tour they haven't recordes is Somewhere on Tour.
Hopefully, Maiden can be weird with their dvd releases so it's hard to tell what they have planned.

Did they film shows from the leg where they played the whole album though? I know they filmed Donington 07 but that didn't contain the whole album.

I'm sure they did.  I'm even positive there was talks from the band that they were going to release a DVD of the tour at the time, I'm sure.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2015, 09:23:36 AM
I've honestly never thought about whether I'd drop Iron Maiden because you simply can't. The band simply never will not play it. They've played it in every show ever. It's a staple of the set. It's always the last song before the encore, and it is always going to be. It's not that great of a song, but I almost don't even think of it as a song, just as an aspect of their live show.

That was my first thought when I saw that group of songs listed as well.  They will never drop Iron Maiden. 

But what is the story with Running Free?  I have not been a fan long enough to know.  Yeah, it looks fun in a live setting.  But it's really not that great a song.  And I am not aware of any special significance that it has.  Why do they ALWAYS play that one?
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Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2015, 09:41:50 AM
I've honestly never thought about whether I'd drop Iron Maiden because you simply can't. The band simply never will not play it. They've played it in every show ever. It's a staple of the set. It's always the last song before the encore, and it is always going to be. It's not that great of a song, but I almost don't even think of it as a song, just as an aspect of their live show.

That was my first thought when I saw that group of songs listed as well.  They will never drop Iron Maiden. 

But what is the story with Running Free?  I have not been a fan long enough to know.  Yeah, it looks fun in a live setting.  But it's really not that great a song.  And I am not aware of any special significance that it has.  Why do they ALWAYS play that one?

Unfortunately, I think one reason is laziness. Don't have to rehearse it, easy vocals, etc. Mostly in there for audience participation.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
I've honestly never thought about whether I'd drop Iron Maiden because you simply can't. The band simply never will not play it. They've played it in every show ever. It's a staple of the set. It's always the last song before the encore, and it is always going to be. It's not that great of a song, but I almost don't even think of it as a song, just as an aspect of their live show.

That was my first thought when I saw that group of songs listed as well.  They will never drop Iron Maiden. 

But what is the story with Running Free?  I have not been a fan long enough to know.  Yeah, it looks fun in a live setting.  But it's really not that great a song.  And I am not aware of any special significance that it has.  Why do they ALWAYS play that one?

Unfortunately, I think one reason is laziness. Don't have to rehearse it, easy vocals, etc. Mostly in there for audience participation.

Probably, it is kind of a fun last song though, but obviously id rather something different.  IM doesn't need anymore setlist standard songs, they have enough.
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Post by: ozzy554 on June 29, 2015, 09:58:14 AM
I'd be happy with whatever they choose to play. I Just hope they keep revelations in the set
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Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
I do wonder if they will play any TFF songs on the next tour though since the USA didn't get any of those songs besides El Durado. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on June 29, 2015, 11:13:35 AM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.

It'll come out eventually. The only tour they haven't recordes is Somewhere on Tour.
Hopefully, Maiden can be weird with their dvd releases so it's hard to tell what they have planned.

Did they film shows from the leg where they played the whole album though? I know they filmed Donington 07 but that didn't contain the whole album.

I'm sure they did.  I'm even positive there was talks from the band that they were going to release a DVD of the tour at the time, I'm sure.
I remember that too. They were referring to Donington 07, it was mixed, mastered and everything, not sure why they didn't release it. I never heard any talks of the 06 leg being filmed.

I think the best thing to do (though I don't see this happening) is release a Donington box set: 1988, 1992, 2007. Throw the 90s history of doc in there, some bonus footage (probably lots of bits and pieces from the 90s) and you'd have a great set.

I do wonder if they will play any TFF songs on the next tour though since the USA didn't get any of those songs besides El Durado. 
I really hope so. I want another 00s heavy set, loved that in 2010. If they were to do TFF material that isn't El Dorado, I'd wager on Coming Home (almost a sure thing) and When the Wild Wind Blows.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 11:35:24 AM
I personally doubt they ever play WTWWB ever again, just based on their history of not replaying epics and the lack of setlist time once they include the new songs. If there was one song from TFF I'd like to see that they have played would be that though
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 29, 2015, 11:38:13 AM
But what is the story with Running Free?  I have not been a fan long enough to know.  Yeah, it looks fun in a live setting.  But it's really not that great a song.  And I am not aware of any special significance that it has.  Why do they ALWAYS play that one?

I agree with the whole it's a pretty simple song to get good audience participation and it's a pretty good song for Bruce to introduce the band while they are playing it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on June 29, 2015, 11:46:14 AM
They did Dance of Death on the TFF tour, so I don't think it's out of the question. Even Sign of the Cross and The Clansman were kind of staples for awhile. WTWWB is a relatively easy song to play live, especially for Bruce who will possibly want to take it a bit easier after the cancer treatments anyway. I'm not a fan of making fake set lists but if they did a 00s heavy set again I'd guess these songs:

Six songs from the new album (the 18 minute track seems unlikely, will probably be the title track and Red and the Black instead for epics)
When the Wild Wind Blows
Coming Home
El Dorado
Ben Breeg (I could also see These Colours, Different World or possibly Out of the Shadows)
Rainmaker (making a hopeful prediction here, Wildest Dreams may be more likely)
Brave New World (a sure thing)
Wicker Man
Then the rest classics
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2015, 03:44:04 PM
I do wonder if they will play any TFF songs on the next tour though since the USA didn't get any of those songs besides El Durado.

That blows.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
I do wonder if they will play any TFF songs on the next tour though since the USA didn't get any of those songs besides El Durado.

That blows.

While it does, we did get more of the other reunion era songs instead which made for a better overall setlist IMO, but it sucks that we didnt get a proper TFF tour.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on July 01, 2015, 07:56:43 AM
It's out today the Kerrang with Steve Harris on the cover. Did anybody here read the article? Is there any commentary or review about The Book of Souls? Thanks!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on July 01, 2015, 06:32:17 PM
Someone scanned the whole thing over at maidenfans: https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/new-album-the-book-of-souls-official-pre-release-thread.31236/page-43#post-519558
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 01, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
Damn, you have to be a member to view the images.
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Post by: Mosh on July 01, 2015, 07:51:44 PM
Ah that sucks. I'll download them and upload to imgur.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on July 01, 2015, 07:57:01 PM
https://imgur.com/a/GzB22

Uploaded in reverse order on accident, so first page is on bottom.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 01, 2015, 08:21:49 PM
Thanks man, you're a champ.

They are really talking up Empire here.  Seems like we could be in for a treat.  Steve is quite tight lipped on details too, but seems very proud of the album.

I seriously can't wait for it.  Still 8 weeks away!
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Post by: TAC on July 02, 2015, 06:08:58 AM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on July 02, 2015, 07:28:33 AM
https://imgur.com/a/GzB22

Uploaded in reverse order on accident, so first page is on bottom.
Thank you so much!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 02, 2015, 08:52:20 AM
Man, I really can't wait for this album! I wonder if we'll get to hear the piano on "Empire" at all, since Bruce composed the song on one?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on July 02, 2015, 01:06:52 PM
Man, I really can't wait for this album! I wonder if we'll get to hear the piano on "Empire" at all, since Bruce composed the song on one?

I was wondering that myself
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 02, 2015, 02:45:03 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 02, 2015, 07:32:41 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!

pumping right now
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 02, 2015, 07:48:58 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!

pumping right now

who isnt pumped?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on July 02, 2015, 08:24:52 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!

pumping right now

who isnt pumped?

Are you trying to make sure no one is being left out of being pumped?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 02, 2015, 08:36:18 PM
exactly.  just taking a pumped roll call
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 02, 2015, 08:51:57 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!

pumping right now

(https://www.ucl.ac.uk/slade/degree2010/ug/philliparniechest.gif)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Big Hath on July 02, 2015, 09:49:16 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/O0Vgy3LtNeFtm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Big Hath on July 02, 2015, 09:52:05 PM
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrhwn4vT0r1qedru2o1_400.gif)
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Post by: Big Hath on July 02, 2015, 09:54:22 PM
last one (for now . . .)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Xb9q0u6s1fogE/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 03, 2015, 03:16:38 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hqY5woMdv4A/hqdefault.jpg)

Pumpin´ it up
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 03, 2015, 08:23:38 AM
AAAHHHHNOOOOLD!!! 

AAAAHHHHNOOOOLLLD!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on July 04, 2015, 06:52:40 AM
Didn't it originally get hyped as a "track by track" preview?  :lol Journalistic integrity at its finest.

You heard it hear first:

The red and the black
The red and the blaaaack
The red and the black
The red and the blaaaack
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bl5150 on July 04, 2015, 07:11:47 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33387448
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Post by: Mladen on July 04, 2015, 08:34:16 AM
That's fantastic. Bruce is the man.  :tup
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 04, 2015, 11:42:45 AM
That's fantastic. Bruce is the man.  :tup
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 04, 2015, 06:25:54 PM
That's fantastic. Bruce is the man.  :tup

Bruce Dickinson is my hero, man. Dude's incredible. :tup
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on July 04, 2015, 10:05:17 PM
I started listening to Bruce's solo albums and I forgot how much I loved them. Its ALMOST a shame that maiden reformed because I would love to have more albums by him.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on July 04, 2015, 10:59:42 PM
If I've said it once I've said it a million times. Psycho Motel and Bruce Dickinson (solo) kicked the shit out of what Maiden was doing at that same time.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 05, 2015, 03:33:28 AM
I love that his albums are diffrent from eachother and more importantly diffrent from Maiden. I always had a special thing for Skunkworks which is like a rock/indie/metal kind of album while Chemical Wedding is pure metal. TM being just about pure fun. AoB has a mix of everything. I hope that Adrian and Roy Z is with him if he does a new album. Those guys brought along some serious riffage like Starchildren, Road To Hell, Killing Floor and many more.

It's been posted before but this live version of Tears Of The Dragon is one of his best vocal moments live.

https://youtu.be/dxeVtMrvUNc
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Post by: wolfking on July 05, 2015, 04:09:41 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33387448

Such a humble, honest and down to earth individual.  Great he was getting asked so many questions regarding it and he thoroughly answered them all, great insight, champ of a man.  H looks like his body guard.  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 05, 2015, 05:09:40 AM
If I've said it once I've said it a million times. Psycho Motel and Bruce Dickinson (solo) kicked the shit out of what Maiden was doing at that same time.

Oh shit yeah.  No debating that one.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 05, 2015, 05:20:06 AM
Psycho Motel albums are filled with really great hard rock.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on July 05, 2015, 09:32:18 AM
Haven't listened to PM in a long time. Should give them a spin. Don't remember them doing much for me though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: NotePad on July 05, 2015, 09:46:28 AM
I didn't want want to create a new thread to talk about the new Maiden album. Although maybe it should have its own thread.

I'm calling it now: the two Smith/Dickinson songs will be Power Metal!!!! You'll see.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 05, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Haven't listened to PM in a long time. Should give them a spin. Don't remember them doing much for me though.

I bought them upon release and didn't find them anything special. But gave them a spin a few weeks back and my jaw was floored!!! Adrian still amazes me: he has a very distinguished sound and com position style, but manages to never repeat himself.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on July 06, 2015, 09:15:48 PM
The first Psycho Motel album is really good, and the 2nd one is truly amazing to me. It truly represents to me what grunge should have sounded like, how good it should have been, spiced with King's X bits as well. Maybe not completely accurate, but it's always how I've viewed it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2015, 05:47:44 AM
The first Psycho Motel album is really good, and the 2nd one is truly amazing to me. It truly represents to me what grunge should have sounded like, how good it should have been, spiced with King's X bits as well. Maybe not completely accurate, but it's always how I've viewed it.

Nick knows what's up.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 08, 2015, 07:09:59 PM
Tonight is a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son night  :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 08, 2015, 07:12:09 PM
Tonight is a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son night  :metal

 :metal
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Post by: Big Hath on July 08, 2015, 09:39:40 PM
 :metal indeed

but shouldn't that have been last night?  7/7  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 09, 2015, 02:00:30 AM
Here the birth from an unbroken line
Born the healer the seventh, his time
Unknowingly blessed and as his life unfolds
Slowly unveiling the power he holds
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on July 09, 2015, 04:40:20 AM
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON

Am I doing it right? :P
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2015, 05:00:08 AM
Awesome fan art.

(https://i.imgur.com/dxLz0f9.jpg)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 09, 2015, 06:55:02 AM
Wow that is awesome
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Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2015, 07:14:11 AM
I'd love to have that one as a big poster on my wall.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on July 09, 2015, 05:07:51 PM
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON

Am I doing it right? :P
Nope. 4 lines too short!  ;D
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: rivulet on July 10, 2015, 09:21:33 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.

Been listening to these two albums lately (part of my listening to the entire catalog in order leading up to the new album). Overall, FotD is a weaker album for me. My first crack at rearranging these into a better album, and a quasi-b-sides album.  I hope it's obvious which is which.

"Afraid to Fear"

1. Mother Russia
2. Public Enema Number One
3. Tailgunner
4. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
5. Run Silent Run Deep
6. Fear of the Dark
7. No Prayer For the Dying
8. Be Quick Or Be Dead
9. The Assassin
10. Fates Warning
11. Childhood's End

"Hooks and Chains"

1. Holy Smoke
2. From Here To Eternity
3. Chains of Misery
4. Fear Is The Key
5. The Apparition
6. Judas Be My Guide
7. Hooks In You
8. Bring Your Daughter ...
9. Weekend Warrior
10. The Fugitive
11. Wasting Love

What would you change?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on July 10, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
That's fairly close to the songs I'd put. I'd slip The Assassin and Childhood's End onto the weaker album and bring up Judas Be My Guide and Wasting Love. I'd also like to get The Fugitive moved up, but I don't know if there's a spot for it. I'm not sure about the tracklisting of either (Mother Russia as an opener? Childhood's End—which, to be candid, I really don't like much at all—as a closer?), but the lists of songs themselves are pretty close to what mine would be.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on July 11, 2015, 10:10:45 AM
The good one:

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. Holy Smoke
3. Run Silent Run Deep
4. Fates Warning
5. Judas Be My Guide
6. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
7. No Prayer for the Dying
8. Public Enema Number One
9. The Assassin
10. Mother Russia
11. Fear of the Dark

The bad one:

The rest. Don't care enough to actually come up with an order.
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Post by: ozzy554 on July 11, 2015, 02:20:29 PM
Just got the chemical wedding in the mail today :metal :metal :metal I can't wait to give it a listen

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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 11, 2015, 08:53:11 PM
Just got the chemical wedding in the mail today :metal :metal :metal I can't wait to give it a listen



Oh god I envy you discovering that masterpiece for the first time! Enjoy!
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Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2015, 09:23:20 PM
Just got the chemical wedding in the mail today :metal :metal :metal I can't wait to give it a listen



Oh god I envy you discovering that masterpiece for the first time! Enjoy!

this
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Post by: wolfking on July 12, 2015, 03:44:26 AM
Judas definitely belongs in the good list.  I'd say it's top 5 out of the whole 2 albums.  i'd go;

Just got the chemical wedding in the mail today :metal :metal :metal I can't wait to give it a listen



Oh god I envy you discovering that masterpiece for the first time! Enjoy!

Probably still my fav metal album of all time.  I remember the first time I listened to it, what an experience.
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Post by: Riitasointi on July 12, 2015, 04:58:34 AM
I am really glad to see Maiden put out another album! They were the first metal band I obsessed over so I (like many others) have a really soft spot for them in my heart. I really like most of the albums from BNW onwards (especially AMOLAD, while TFF is the weakest by miles) so I have kinda high expectations. A Few things I wish of The Book Of Souls:

1. The playing needs to be tight. On TFF the riffs and drumming were very lazy at many points and that almost ruins the experience for me altogether. Sure, Maiden sounds amazing live but on studio albums the riffage etc. needs to be spot on. In addition to rigid playing, we definitely need....

2. ... good sound an production. Producer Kevin Shirley hasn't been brining out the best of Maiden in my opinion. Steve Harris is clearly calling the shots in the studio, and it seems he thinks the "raw" sound is where the magic's at. Off with the cardboard-box-sounding drums and muddy guitars!!

3. They really need to realise the contemporary capabilities of Bruce's voice. The highs on recent albums sound awful at many points (think The Talisman) while his mid voice is awesome these days. So freaking powerful and controlled. Basically, I'd like to hear the vocal melodies go more on the lower-mid register, that's where 2010+ Bruce kills. His solo albums showcase this perfectly in my opinion. Also, should they finally do what, for example, Metallica had the wits to do years ago and lower the tuning to Eb or something in live concerts?
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Post by: cramx3 on July 12, 2015, 09:55:04 AM
In regards to Bruce, I wonder how many takes he did on some of these songs.  I believe Bruce recorded The Talisman in like one take?  Hopefully they put more effort and do a few tries to get something perfect although I don't really have any complaints with the sound of TFF.
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Post by: wolfking on July 12, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.
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Post by: Dream Team on July 12, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

Neither am I. No one in the band seems to like being in the studio; Harris loves that sloppy rushed live sound for some reason, and Shirley is notoriously lazy. They need a good metal producer.
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Post by: ozzy554 on July 12, 2015, 07:50:35 PM
After I listened to accident of birth I said that it was almost a shame that bruce rejoined maiden and The Chemical Wedding just reinforced that statement.



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Post by: wolfking on July 12, 2015, 09:01:33 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

Neither am I. No one in the band seems to like being in the studio; Harris loves that sloppy rushed live sound for some reason, and Shirley is notoriously lazy. They need a good metal producer.

Agree with every word of that.

After I listened to accident of birth I said that it was almost a shame that bruce rejoined maiden and The Chemical Wedding just reinforced that statement.





Yes and no I'd say.  I just wish Bruce still did more solo stuff.  I guess he doesn't really need to though.
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Post by: Mosh on July 12, 2015, 09:36:06 PM
He did one album in between DOD and AMOLAD: A Tyranny of Souls. It's a good album but didn't make me feel like we were missing much by getting Bruce back in Maiden rather than more solo material. I'm glad they can collaborate with each other again.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 13, 2015, 02:48:16 AM
Tyranny of Souls is exceptional bar maybe two or three songs.  I really wish there was more solo Bruce too, its way more edgier than modern Maiden.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 13, 2015, 04:05:07 AM
Speaking of Chemical Wedding, anyone seen the movie?
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Post by: Mladen on July 13, 2015, 04:10:14 AM
I couldn't watch it, it was way too boring for me. But I did check out the scenes where Bruce acts as a side character or someone in the background, those are pretty funny when they're taken out of context.
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Post by: Lowdz on July 13, 2015, 04:32:16 AM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

Neither am I. No one in the band seems to like being in the studio; Harris loves that sloppy rushed live sound for some reason, and Shirley is notoriously lazy. They need a good metal producer.

Agree with every word of that.

After I listened to accident of birth I said that it was almost a shame that bruce rejoined maiden and The Chemical Wedding just reinforced that statement.





Yes and no I'd say.  I just wish Bruce still did more solo stuff.  I guess he doesn't really need to though.

Such a great band but they've never had a production that they deserved. I wonder whether it's because of Harris' bass sound that they can't find the right balance or if it's just his ears. I've also never been that keen on the guitar sounds either. Yes, they need a proper metal producer, or even Roy Z.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 13, 2015, 05:00:33 AM
What's a proper metal producer tho?  Or who, rather?  I don't know too many modern metal producers that blow me away sonically.  Most of them just brickwall and overproduce to shit.  Bring back Martin Birch I say.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2015, 06:21:36 AM
I dont know, BNW sounds amazing to me and that is the same crew.  They are capable, but maybe you are right, lazy?  IM never came off as being lazy, but maybe it's true that they don't like being in the studio. 
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 06:36:10 AM
BNW sounds great, Shirley did a great job on that one.  I don't know what happened after that.

Maybe lazy isn't the right word, but sloppy fits perfectly.
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Post by: Riitasointi on July 13, 2015, 07:35:01 AM
AMOLAD sounds pretty decent as well imo. The only one (of the "new" albums) that I think has a downright bad production is The Final Frontier.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on July 13, 2015, 07:57:39 AM
Also, should they finally do what, for example, Metallica had the wits to do years ago and lower the tuning to Eb or something in live concerts?

Apparantly Blaze Bailey always asked for some of the songs to be re-tuned to suit his voice better, and Harris always said no.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 13, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
I couldn't watch it, it was way too boring for me. But I did check out the scenes where Bruce acts as a side character or someone in the background, those are pretty funny when they're taken out of context.
Yea I kind of avoided the movie at the time to not see it just because of Bruces involment. Read some reviews which weren't overly positive so to speak so I just skipped it. Just interested to hear some thoughts in hindsight. I might see it now though just for the fun of it.
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 13, 2015, 08:39:34 AM
BNW sounds great, Shirley did a great job on that one.  I don't know what happened after that.

Maybe lazy isn't the right word, but sloppy fits perfectly.

Agree about BNW. Awesome sounding album.
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Post by: 425 on July 13, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
AMOLAD sounds pretty decent as well imo. The only one (of the "new" albums) that I think has a downright bad production is The Final Frontier.

Really? I never had a problem with TFF's production. It's certainly ages better than the brickwalled Dance of Death in my book.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2015, 02:44:54 PM
DoD is easily the worst.  Maybe that was the band's motive to just go with the "live" sound now.
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 04:29:59 PM
DOD and TFF are both on a par production wise IMO, terrible.

Also, should they finally do what, for example, Metallica had the wits to do years ago and lower the tuning to Eb or something in live concerts?

Apparantly Blaze Bailey always asked for some of the songs to be re-tuned to suit his voice better, and Harris always said no.

I always thought this might have been the case.  'Arry sure is a stubbon prick sometimes.  We can hardly blame Blaze for some of the live performances then.  On some old songs he sounds alright, so just a half step down would have made a world of difference.
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Post by: FreezingPoint on July 13, 2015, 04:51:02 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

This quote doesn't make me feel too confident in that either, but one never knows:

"A lot of the songs were actually written while we were there in the studio and we rehearsed and recorded them straight away while they were still fresh, and I think that immediacy really shows in the songs, they have almost a live feel to them, I think."

https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/06/18/new-iron-maiden-album-the-book-of-souls-is-on-the-way-cover-artwork-posted/
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Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2015, 05:27:09 PM
Yea I honestly expect a more of a AMoLaD/TFF feel to the album in terms of sound at least.  I think thats a good bet given the little details and we know its the same cast.
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 09:18:37 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

This quote doesn't make me feel too confident in that either, but one never knows:

"A lot of the songs were actually written while we were there in the studio and we rehearsed and recorded them straight away while they were still fresh, and I think that immediacy really shows in the songs, they have almost a live feel to them, I think."

https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/06/18/new-iron-maiden-album-the-book-of-souls-is-on-the-way-cover-artwork-posted/

Yep, that's the quote that had me worried too.

Yea I honestly expect a more of a AMoLaD/TFF feel to the album in terms of sound at least.  I think thats a good bet given the little details and we know its the same cast.

I don't mind if it sounds like AMOLAD, it's no where near as sloppy as TFF and the production is a lot clearer.
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Post by: 425 on July 13, 2015, 10:15:41 PM
I always thought this might have been the case.  'Arry sure is a stubbon prick sometimes.  We can hardly blame Blaze for some of the live performances then.  On some old songs he sounds alright, so just a half step down would have made a world of difference.

I always thought that Blaze was very close to pulling off a lot of the older songs, and that he could sing a lot of them very well if they were brought down into his best range. His rendition of The Clairvoyant (just search "the clairvoyant blaze bayley" on YouTube) has a lot of potential and is pretty powerful at moments (the second verse). If only that song would have been tuned down and played a bit slower, he would have sounded really good.

Edit: I'm watching his Hallowed Be Thy Name right now, and it's pretty good, too. Especially on the intro. But some parts of it are just too high for him to reach comfortably.
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 11:20:48 PM
His Hallowed is certainly not too bad IMO.  He just fucks up the end so that leaves a bad impression of the whole thing.

The Clairvoyant is indeed a good one.  i like his little changes in the melodies.  Others that weren't far off were FOTD, HCW, TETMD and Wrathchild IMO.  Oh, and ATSS.

looking at those, it seems Steve did put some thought into the song selections for Blaze.  Just that little bit lower would have been good.
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Post by: jammindude on July 13, 2015, 11:23:12 PM
His Hallowed is certainly not too bad IMO.  He just fucks up the end so that leaves a bad impression of the whole thing.

The Clairvoyant is indeed a good one.  i like his little changes in the melodies.  Others that weren't far off were FOTD, HCW, TETMD and Wrathchild IMO.  Oh, and ATSS.

looking at those, it seems Steve did put some thought into the song selections for Blaze.  Just that little bit lower would have been good.

ATSS with Blaze is just freakin incredible.   It's no wonder they put his version on BotB...it might be even an improvement over the studio version with Bruce. 
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Post by: 425 on July 13, 2015, 11:35:53 PM
I'd almost forgotten his Afraid to Shoot Strangers! That's probably his best pre-TXF song. His performance on the official music video is every bit as good as Bruce's on the album. In fact, I think it's better than the studio version.

Most of the songs they had him do were indeed good choices for him. Wrathchild is another one of his best ones, and is an especially good choice since he's singing lines written for Di'Anno, not for Bruce (Wrathchild stands in my mind as a song that all three singers do pretty well, each putting their own twist on it). The issues that were there in those performances of older songs could basically have been resolved by playing the songs lower.
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 11:45:08 PM
I always thought fans were so pig headed and gave Blaze shit undeservingly.
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Post by: Lowdz on July 14, 2015, 02:42:04 AM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

This quote doesn't make me feel too confident in that either, but one never knows:

"A lot of the songs were actually written while we were there in the studio and we rehearsed and recorded them straight away while they were still fresh, and I think that immediacy really shows in the songs, they have almost a live feel to them, I think."

https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/06/18/new-iron-maiden-album-the-book-of-souls-is-on-the-way-cover-artwork-posted/

Yep, that's the quote that had me worried too.

Yea I honestly expect a more of a AMoLaD/TFF feel to the album in terms of sound at least.  I think thats a good bet given the little details and we know its the same cast.

I don't mind if it sounds like AMOLAD, it's no where near as sloppy as TFF and the production is a lot clearer.

AMOLAD is better but the guitars sound so "dull". Compare it to Killers or TNOTB and it sounds flat and lifeless. To me anyway.
AMOLAD is their best since Powerslave for me.
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Post by: wolfking on July 14, 2015, 06:43:38 AM
They went for a real stripped back and unprocessed album with that one, and while it's a big improvement on DOD, the guitars simply don't have much power IMO.  It could have been a really heavy album with some beefier production.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 14, 2015, 07:15:18 AM
His rendition of The Clairvoyant (just search "the clairvoyant blaze bayley" on YouTube) has a lot of potential and is pretty powerful at moments (the second verse). If only that song would have been tuned down and played a bit slower, he would have sounded really good.

Blaze's Clairvoyant in Chile '96...ehhhhh.   He was singing the last lines of the verses sharp!
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Post by: Riitasointi on July 14, 2015, 08:05:45 AM
They went for a real stripped back and unprocessed album with that one, and while it's a big improvement on DOD, the guitars simply don't have much power IMO.  It could have been a really heavy album with some beefier production.
AMOLAD guitars lack power? I think the sound on that album has the most punch of all the records they made since Bruce's return. The drums sound good on that one too.

Talking about Bruce, I gotta bring up The Reincarnation Of Benjamin Breeg. I think the vocal lines on that song is something they should do more nowadays. Man, listen to that delivery by Bruce! When not needing to go too high he sounds absolutely brilliant.
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Post by: 425 on July 15, 2015, 07:22:58 AM
Blaze's Clairvoyant in Chile '96...ehhhhh.   He was singing the last lines of the verses sharp!

That's in a live setting on a song out of his most comfortable range. I'm not talking about the quality of that one performance (though I like it), I'm talking about how good he could have been on that song if Steve had done more to optimize it for his voice.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2015, 07:30:15 AM
Tuning down can be a funny thing though.  Sometimes, you barely notice, and it really helps the singer a lot.  Sometimes, it makes a song sound heavier.  But sometimes, it just sucks the life out of a song and makes it sound horrible, even if it helps the singer nail the vocal lines.  An incident that always sticks out in my mind is when I saw Tesla a few years ago.  They did not downtune on everything, but did on a few select songs, including Edison's Medicine.  While it helped Jeff Keith a lot, the songs overall just sounded horrible and had no energy whatsoever.  So as far as Harris refusing to tune down, although it very well might just be stubbornness, I have to defer to his judgment.  If he feels it takes away from the songs, I respect that. 
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 15, 2015, 07:49:01 AM
Blaze's Clairvoyant in Chile '96...ehhhhh.   He was singing the last lines of the verses sharp!

That's in a live setting on a song out of his most comfortable range. I'm not talking about the quality of that one performance (though I like it), I'm talking about how good he could have been on that song if Steve had done more to optimize it for his voice.

Yes, I'm sorry I misread your post, I totally agree. 
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 17, 2015, 06:20:33 PM
So I picked up Killers today.

I have no clue what so ever why it took me so long to finally get around this one, but I regret it. This album is damn good. And its cool to have something a little different in the collection.
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Post by: PowerSlave on July 17, 2015, 06:45:33 PM
Tuning down can be a funny thing though.  Sometimes, you barely notice, and it really helps the singer a lot.  Sometimes, it makes a song sound heavier.  But sometimes, it just sucks the life out of a song and makes it sound horrible, even if it helps the singer nail the vocal lines.  An incident that always sticks out in my mind is when I saw Tesla a few years ago.  They did not downtune on everything, but did on a few select songs, including Edison's Medicine.  While it helped Jeff Keith a lot, the songs overall just sounded horrible and had no energy whatsoever.  So as far as Harris refusing to tune down, although it very well might just be stubbornness, I have to defer to his judgment.  If he feels it takes away from the songs, I respect that.

Do you think that it would have been better if they had down tuned on all of the songs, possibly? My thought being that since they only did it on a few songs it made it much more noticeable?
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 18, 2015, 12:35:50 AM
Tuning down can be a funny thing though.  Sometimes, you barely notice, and it really helps the singer a lot.  Sometimes, it makes a song sound heavier.  But sometimes, it just sucks the life out of a song and makes it sound horrible, even if it helps the singer nail the vocal lines.  An incident that always sticks out in my mind is when I saw Tesla a few years ago.  They did not downtune on everything, but did on a few select songs, including Edison's Medicine.  While it helped Jeff Keith a lot, the songs overall just sounded horrible and had no energy whatsoever.  So as far as Harris refusing to tune down, although it very well might just be stubbornness, I have to defer to his judgment.  If he feels it takes away from the songs, I respect that.

Do you think that it would have been better if they had down tuned on all of the songs, possibly? My thought being that since they only did it on a few songs it made it much more noticeable?

I think they should've done it for Blaze.  They had no problems changing keys for Lord of the Flies when Bruce was back.
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Post by: Lowdz on July 18, 2015, 07:15:08 AM
So I picked up Killers today.

I have no clue what so ever why it took me so long to finally get around this one, but I regret it. This album is damn good. And its cool to have something a little different in the collection.

Better late than never. My favourite Maiden album by far. I do have the extra emotional attachment of it being my first though. And we always remembe rour first time  :biggrin:
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 18, 2015, 10:28:30 AM
Killers is awesome. I think I'm going to play it today
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 18, 2015, 05:35:23 PM
been listening to 22 Acacia Avenue all day today. love this song  :metal
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Post by: TAC on July 18, 2015, 05:40:08 PM
been listening to 22 Acacia Avenue all day today. love this song  :metal
It's a great song. Top 10 Maiden track for me.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 18, 2015, 06:36:31 PM
So I picked up Killers today.

I have no clue what so ever why it took me so long to finally get around this one, but I regret it. This album is damn good. And its cool to have something a little different in the collection.
I was also late to "discover" Killers. Ides, Purgatory, Killers, Wrath, Murders and Twilight are all amazing tracks.
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Post by: NotePad on July 19, 2015, 11:02:17 AM
They should have done with Blaze what Priest did with Ripper. Watch that live DVD Priest did on the Demolition tour. It's all downtuned guitars and it sounds great. The older songs sound heavier and awesome.
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Post by: TAC on July 21, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 21, 2015, 02:40:07 PM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts

One of the greatest singers ever and probably my personal favorite. :hefdaddy
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Post by: jammindude on July 21, 2015, 03:39:20 PM
They should have done with Blaze what Priest did with Ripper. Watch that live DVD Priest did on the Demolition tour. It's all downtuned guitars and it sounds great. The older songs sound heavier and awesome.

It's hard to compare the two because Ripper was SOOOOOO much more talented than Blaze.   His performance on Live Meltdown is absolutely off the chart and, quite frankly, superior to what Rob is capable of nowadays.   

I understand IM's decision to part ways with Blaze (who probably just should have never been in Maiden in the first place)....but Priest parting ways with Ripper baffles me.   That guy is just crazy amazing...
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 21, 2015, 09:04:53 PM
98 Live Meltdown is my all time favourite live album and live performance by any singer
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 21, 2015, 11:13:35 PM
Killers was the first Maiden album I bought. Needless to say, I was hooked for life! Cause I´m a Drifter....drifting oooohoohohoho
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Post by: The Curious Orange on July 22, 2015, 04:04:24 AM

I understand IM's decision to part ways with Blaze (who probably just should have never been in Maiden in the first place)....

See, I went to see Maiden with Blaze, and he was pretty flipping good. I'd been a Wolfsbane fan, and they could not have found a better singer than Blaze. I still think TXF is a pretty solid album. But the fans gave him shit for not being Bruce, and by the time of the V11 album, the band were a joke, Blaze was pissed off, the others were pissed off, and they all seemed to have ceased trying.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2015, 04:33:43 AM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts
Thx for posting, that was fun to hear.  :tup
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 22, 2015, 04:36:04 AM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts
Thx for posting, that was funny to hear.  :tup

Funny or awesome?! It was awesome, it woke up parts of me I believed long dead.
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Post by: Zydar on July 22, 2015, 04:50:24 AM
Awesome :metal
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Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2015, 05:04:53 AM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts

Fucking amazing this.  FOI, wow!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2015, 05:26:07 AM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts
Thx for posting, that was funny to hear.  :tup

Funny or awesome?! It was awesome, it woke up parts of me I believed long dead.
Oups I meant fun of course!  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on July 22, 2015, 11:12:52 AM

I understand IM's decision to part ways with Blaze (who probably just should have never been in Maiden in the first place)....

See, I went to see Maiden with Blaze, and he was pretty flipping good. I'd been a Wolfsbane fan, and they could not have found a better singer than Blaze. I still think TXF is a pretty solid album. But the fans gave him shit for not being Bruce, and by the time of the V11 album, the band were a joke, Blaze was pissed off, the others were pissed off, and they all seemed to have ceased trying.


Blaze is a fantastic singer, and I think TXF is the most underrated album in their catalog.   He was only never right for Maiden because there was NO WAY that he was ever going to be able to pull off the older stuff live from day one.   No matter how good someone is, you need to hire someone who is capable of singing the older songs.    Ripper is the perfect example.   On Live Meltdown he is as good (or better) than Rob was at that time.    Blaze was never going to be able to do that for Maiden.   If you replace Bruce, you have to have someone who can fill his shoes.   Blaze was just never going to be that guy.   He was doomed from the moment he joined. 

Perfect for his own stuff and a few of Bruce's lower songs....but
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 11:15:54 AM
TXF is definitely the most underrated album, it gets way too much shit while musically actually being very good.  But agreed, Blaze just wasnt the right fit for the band overall, but he was perfect for TXF.  Regardless, I'm sure we are all happy with how that worked out since we got a better IM in the end.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 22, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts

Fucking amazing this.  FOI, wow!

what a voice!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Deathless on July 30, 2015, 08:43:07 AM
And we have our first taste of new Maiden... via a 30-second teaser!

Pre-Order Teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBDanCsgVkM)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on July 30, 2015, 09:01:26 AM
Sounds sweeeet :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on July 30, 2015, 09:04:14 AM
Willing to bet that is from Speed Of Light.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 30, 2015, 09:32:33 AM
Willing to bet that is from Speed Of Light.

Probably! It sounds like it's the ending part of a solo from Adrian and then a melodic bridge after that.

The production sounds pretty great too, I think. It's like SiT/SSoaSS mixed with BNW sonically. Probably the best album production Maiden's had in the past fifteen years.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2015, 09:45:48 AM
Wow, not much but sounds very good!   :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Riitasointi on July 30, 2015, 10:04:45 AM
Yes, yes, yeess!! I think they finally got it right with the production this time, just what I wished for! I'm super excited now.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on July 30, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
And we have our first taste of new Maiden... via a 30-second teaser!

Pre-Order Teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBDanCsgVkM)

That sounds suspiciously like Iron Maiden.  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 30, 2015, 01:08:30 PM
I like it!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Art on July 30, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
nice sample, sounds really good!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on July 30, 2015, 03:12:08 PM
Now to wait for people to rigorously judge the entire album based on a short 30 seconds. :lol

I like it. Definitely Maiden sounding like Maiden. As far as guessing which track it's from, I wouldn't have a clue. Hopefully we get a couple more teasers like this. :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2015, 03:18:45 PM
The speculation is that it is from the single Speed of Light that will be released in a couple weeks
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 30, 2015, 07:01:37 PM
Ah that was short but sweet.  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 30, 2015, 07:12:00 PM
My thoughts on the new song:



(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-30%20at%209.10.32%20PM_zpssqoafye2.png) (https://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-30%20at%209.10.32%20PM_zpssqoafye2.png.html)

Up the Irons  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on July 30, 2015, 07:49:38 PM
Sounds like Maiden.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 30, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
Cant listen now as I'm in class but it sounds like Maiden.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 30, 2015, 08:00:03 PM
Sounds like Maiden.

Sounds like Maiden with the best production the band's had in about fifteen years. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: YtseCullen on July 30, 2015, 11:53:08 PM
UGH I LOVE THIS! It sounds so so good, both musically and sonically! Can't wait for the single!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 31, 2015, 02:28:24 AM
As someone said sounds very Virtual XI:esq.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 31, 2015, 03:23:20 AM
To be honest, it sounds like Maiden. Too short to judge otherwise, I´d say.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on July 31, 2015, 04:25:42 AM
Looks like I'm one of the very few people that can't get excited about a 30 second clip. Nevertheless, I'm extremely excited about the album, it's certainly the most important one to be released this year.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 31, 2015, 04:57:35 AM
sounds like maiden.  sounds like H.  oooh yeah
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2015, 03:43:46 PM
To be honest, it sounds like Maiden. Too short to judge otherwise, I´d say.

This.

I hope you guys are right about the production too, as I thought it sounded a bit muddy like TFF.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on July 31, 2015, 05:01:23 PM
Yeah, really good clip but I'm not too keen on the production.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 06:12:05 PM
To be honest, it sounds like Maiden. Too short to judge otherwise, I´d say.

This.

I hope you guys are right about the production too, as I thought it sounded a bit muddy like TFF.

It might be muddier than I initially thought, but it could also be YouTube screwing things up audio-wise. What I'm liking about the production so far is the clarity and tone of the guitars that this album seems to have. It's like a blend of SiT and BNW in that regard. Hopefully everything is well-balanced and clean in the actual album itself, but I think the guitars are already a step up from TFF.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2015, 06:25:52 PM
To me, youtube videos don't mask much of the production values.  What you hear, is pretty much what you will expect from the offical release IMO, just a bit clearer.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
To me, youtube videos don't mask much of the production values.  What you hear, is pretty much what you will expect from the offical release IMO, just a bit clearer.

True. We'll have to wait and see, I guess. :tup

BTW, the first official album review came out! Sounds good to me! :metal :hefdaddy

https://www.teamrock.com/reviews/2015-08-07/iron-maiden-the-book-of-souls

Turns out that Empire of the Clouds is a massive metal opera about the R101 aircraft tragedy of 1930. Bruce plays the piano through out the song too. The description kinda reminds me of Savatage, actually, but that might just be because they played at Wacken earlier today.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on July 31, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
I was going to read the article, but you have to sign up to the site. I'm always reluctant to do things like that. Anybody willing to post the text of the review?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 07:57:13 PM
I was going to read the article, but you have to sign up to the site. I'm always reluctant to do things like that. Anybody willing to post the text of the review?

Sure thing!

Quote
A new Iron Maiden album is always a big event, not least because the band have somehow sustained a startling level of popularity for the vast majority of their three decades.

Iron Maiden: The Book Of Souls Cover
What is less frequently acknowledged, however, is that since the return of Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith for 2000’s Brave New World, Maiden have not only cemented their status as metal’s most revered band but, audaciously, built upon it, becoming ever more dominant and in-demand as a result.

Of course, The Book Of Souls arrives amid an additional storm of drama, Dickinson’s genuinely shocking brush with cancer erecting an unexpected and unwanted backdrop of struggle and triumph behind a long-awaited album – Maiden’s 16th – that didn’t exactly need an extra boost.

Completed before their singer received his jarring diagnosis, The Book Of Souls is the sound of a band at the peak of their powers, both individual and collective, and Dickinson’s own performance gives no clues whatsoever as to his then vexed state of health. One might glibly note that this would have been an excellent final statement for all concerned, but it’s hard to think of another band of this vintage that would be capable of sounding this vital and inspired.

It begins with one of two songs written solely by Dickinson. If Eternity Should Fail starts with an eerie, almost psychedelic intro, the air raid siren’s restrained tones floating in shimmering space, before the first of countless towering riffs crashes in. Dark in tone and texture and a dash heavier than Maiden have ever sounded before, its eight-and-a-half minutes rush by in what seems like half that amount, soaring choruses and a typically deft change of pace midway through adding bite to the barrage.

Maiden’s recent albums have been notable primarily for the epic and progressive nature of their contents, and while The Book Of Souls certainly saunters down that avenue on numerous occasions, it is also an album that brims with flashes of succinctness. Speed Of Light, Death Or Glory and Tears Of A Clown all climax at around the five minute mark, and all three are instant top-notch Maiden anthems, the shrewd songwriting hand of Adrian Smith making its presence felt and bringing plenty of that off-kilter edge that was sometimes missed during the decade he spent away from the line-up. Meanwhile, both The Great Unknown and When The River Runs Deep speak volumes about the intuitive chemistry between Smith and Steve Harris, their collaborative efforts producing monstrous mini-symphonies for Dickinson to unleash that vein-popping vibrato over.

Nonetheless, The Book Of Souls will doubtless be celebrated most for its epics, and if you thought Maiden had pulled out all the stops in the past, you may need to strap yourself in and say a quick prayer to Eddie this time round. The Red And The Black is Harris’ only sole composition here, but it’s one of the most exhilarating and fluid things he has ever written; nearly 14 minutes of interwoven rhythms and riffs, a brief nod to the dramatic thud of Flight Of Icarus here, a dewy-eyed salute to Thin Lizzy there and a healthy slab of mob-friendly backing vocals that must surely mean that this will become an immediate live favourite when Maiden take The Book Of Souls out on the road.

The same goes for the title track, an almost ludicrously grandiose and theatrical affair that crams more smart ideas into its ten-and-a-half minutes than any band this enduring should have left in the tank at this point. And if Dickinson could sound any less like a man about to discover a tumour in his throat... well, needless to say that his recovery has been perhaps the least surprising thing about Maiden’s recent history. The interplay between the Three Amigos reaches a similar peak on the rumbling sprawl of Shadows Of The Valley and, best of all, on Harris and Dave Murray’s dark and unsettling The Man Of Sorrows, wherein Kevin Shirley’s powerful, unfussy production shines a light on the sublimely organic interplay between these six musicians.

So far, so brilliant. And yet even the most wildly optimistic Maiden fan might find themselves momentarily gobsmacked by The Book Of Souls’ conclusion. The longest song the band have ever recorded, Empire Of The Clouds is essentially an 18-minute heavy metal opera, replete with Dickinson on piano for the first time and sumptuous orchestral flourishes that add hugely to the song’s cinematic feel.

A detailed but poetic account of the R101 airship disaster of 1930, it’s a stunning piece of work and clearly a labour of love for Dickinson, the song’s author, in particular. And coming at the end of such a consistent and remarkable slab of idiosyncratic heavy metal, it poses one obvious question: is there anything that Iron Maiden can’t do? The Book Of Souls suggests not.

Given that this sounds nothing like the work of a band nearing the end of their love affair with music, the future may even hold greater wonders. Bloody hell.

FINAL VERDICT: 9/10
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on July 31, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
I was going to read the article, but you have to sign up to the site. I'm always reluctant to do things like that. Anybody willing to post the text of the review?

Sure thing!

Quote
A new Iron Maiden album is always a big event, not least because the band have somehow sustained a startling level of popularity for the vast majority of their three decades.

Iron Maiden: The Book Of Souls Cover
What is less frequently acknowledged, however, is that since the return of Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith for 2000’s Brave New World, Maiden have not only cemented their status as metal’s most revered band but, audaciously, built upon it, becoming ever more dominant and in-demand as a result.

Of course, The Book Of Souls arrives amid an additional storm of drama, Dickinson’s genuinely shocking brush with cancer erecting an unexpected and unwanted backdrop of struggle and triumph behind a long-awaited album – Maiden’s 16th – that didn’t exactly need an extra boost.

Completed before their singer received his jarring diagnosis, The Book Of Souls is the sound of a band at the peak of their powers, both individual and collective, and Dickinson’s own performance gives no clues whatsoever as to his then vexed state of health. One might glibly note that this would have been an excellent final statement for all concerned, but it’s hard to think of another band of this vintage that would be capable of sounding this vital and inspired.

It begins with one of two songs written solely by Dickinson. If Eternity Should Fail starts with an eerie, almost psychedelic intro, the air raid siren’s restrained tones floating in shimmering space, before the first of countless towering riffs crashes in. Dark in tone and texture and a dash heavier than Maiden have ever sounded before, its eight-and-a-half minutes rush by in what seems like half that amount, soaring choruses and a typically deft change of pace midway through adding bite to the barrage.

Maiden’s recent albums have been notable primarily for the epic and progressive nature of their contents, and while The Book Of Souls certainly saunters down that avenue on numerous occasions, it is also an album that brims with flashes of succinctness. Speed Of Light, Death Or Glory and Tears Of A Clown all climax at around the five minute mark, and all three are instant top-notch Maiden anthems, the shrewd songwriting hand of Adrian Smith making its presence felt and bringing plenty of that off-kilter edge that was sometimes missed during the decade he spent away from the line-up. Meanwhile, both The Great Unknown and When The River Runs Deep speak volumes about the intuitive chemistry between Smith and Steve Harris, their collaborative efforts producing monstrous mini-symphonies for Dickinson to unleash that vein-popping vibrato over.

Nonetheless, The Book Of Souls will doubtless be celebrated most for its epics, and if you thought Maiden had pulled out all the stops in the past, you may need to strap yourself in and say a quick prayer to Eddie this time round. The Red And The Black is Harris’ only sole composition here, but it’s one of the most exhilarating and fluid things he has ever written; nearly 14 minutes of interwoven rhythms and riffs, a brief nod to the dramatic thud of Flight Of Icarus here, a dewy-eyed salute to Thin Lizzy there and a healthy slab of mob-friendly backing vocals that must surely mean that this will become an immediate live favourite when Maiden take The Book Of Souls out on the road.

The same goes for the title track, an almost ludicrously grandiose and theatrical affair that crams more smart ideas into its ten-and-a-half minutes than any band this enduring should have left in the tank at this point. And if Dickinson could sound any less like a man about to discover a tumour in his throat... well, needless to say that his recovery has been perhaps the least surprising thing about Maiden’s recent history. The interplay between the Three Amigos reaches a similar peak on the rumbling sprawl of Shadows Of The Valley and, best of all, on Harris and Dave Murray’s dark and unsettling The Man Of Sorrows, wherein Kevin Shirley’s powerful, unfussy production shines a light on the sublimely organic interplay between these six musicians.

So far, so brilliant. And yet even the most wildly optimistic Maiden fan might find themselves momentarily gobsmacked by The Book Of Souls’ conclusion. The longest song the band have ever recorded, Empire Of The Clouds is essentially an 18-minute heavy metal opera, replete with Dickinson on piano for the first time and sumptuous orchestral flourishes that add hugely to the song’s cinematic feel.

A detailed but poetic account of the R101 airship disaster of 1930, it’s a stunning piece of work and clearly a labour of love for Dickinson, the song’s author, in particular. And coming at the end of such a consistent and remarkable slab of idiosyncratic heavy metal, it poses one obvious question: is there anything that Iron Maiden can’t do? The Book Of Souls suggests not.

Given that this sounds nothing like the work of a band nearing the end of their love affair with music, the future may even hold greater wonders. Bloody hell.

FINAL VERDICT: 9/10

Thank you for posting this! I've really been looking forward to this album. Reading the review has me very excited!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 08:43:05 PM
Thank you for posting this! I've really been looking forward to this album. Reading the review has me very excited!

No problem! I've been hyped for it too, as it'll probably be a shoe-in for my Album of the Year.

It sounds like this might be a darker album after all, if the review is anything to go by. I'm getting some Gutter Ballet vibes from the description of Empire of the Clouds in particular.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 01, 2015, 01:13:01 AM
So damn hyped after reading that review! Just about a month left to go!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 01, 2015, 09:20:12 AM
review sounds stellar!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 01, 2015, 09:40:28 AM
The review is making me really wish this was out already!  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 01, 2015, 10:58:40 AM
The review is making me really wish this was out already!  :metal

Only a 9 out of 10?

So stoked!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Train of Naught on August 01, 2015, 01:54:01 PM
Their last two albums have proven that they can still maintain their ability to create masterpieces, and I think this is just a small taste of what seems to be the third.  ;D
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 01, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
Their last two albums have proven that they can still maintain their ability to create masterpieces, and I think this is just a small taste of what seems to be the third.  ;D

On the whole, I think all four post-reunion albums are consistently great. There's two masterpieces so far (Brave New World and A Matter of Life and Death) and then two "growing pains" as I refer to them (Dance of Death and The Final Frontier). That isn't to say that DoD or TFF aren't bad, but I think they're both pointing at directions that would be improved upon by the subsequent album, at least for DoD. We'll have to wait and see how TBoS turns out to see if I'm right on TFF or not.

It kinda reminds me a wee bit of the old Star Trek film order.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on August 02, 2015, 01:35:18 PM
The last time I read a review that gushing, it was for St. Anger. I'll reserve judgement until I hear it myself (duh) - and no, that production did not impress me much.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 02, 2015, 02:15:48 PM
Mmmm...that review did it for me....I think I got a boner.... ::)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 02, 2015, 02:38:42 PM
Can't wait for this.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 03, 2015, 06:20:11 PM
A good lengthy interview with Janick regarding his life before Maiden, how he got into Maiden, what was it like for Maiden after Bruce left, and after Bruce and Adrian came back, and some good detail regarding the new album.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2015, 06:35:36 PM
A good lengthy interview with Janick regarding his life before Maiden, how he got into Maiden, what was it like for Maiden after Bruce left, and after Bruce and Adrian came back, and some good detail regarding the new album.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html
Nice. Thank you!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 03, 2015, 08:08:26 PM
A good lengthy interview with Janick regarding his life before Maiden, how he got into Maiden, what was it like for Maiden after Bruce left, and after Bruce and Adrian came back, and some good detail regarding the new album.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html

Me likey!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on August 04, 2015, 05:55:15 AM
Don't like the idea that Steve bloated up Janick's song with extra choruses, but it's to be expected.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 04, 2015, 07:24:44 AM
Overall, what I've read about this one so far, it seems like Steve held back on this record.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 04, 2015, 07:31:58 AM
I can't seem to access the article. :(
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 04, 2015, 08:00:29 AM
Yeah, it seems to have disappeared for some reason...
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Randaran on August 04, 2015, 09:08:56 AM
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lAhoSif1TpcJ:www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lAhoSif1TpcJ:www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

There you go
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Post by: TAC on August 04, 2015, 10:24:34 AM
Great! Thank you!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on August 04, 2015, 11:56:20 AM
Overall, what I've read about this one so far, it seems like Steve held back on this record.  :biggrin:

Maybe, but then again he was pushing for even more of a live feel than before, which is the opposite of what is needed. They need a crisp, clear recording.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 04, 2015, 12:43:47 PM
Overall, what I've read about this one so far, it seems like Steve held back on this record.  :biggrin:

Maybe, but then again he was pushing for even more of a live feel than before, which is the opposite of what is needed. They need a crisp, clear recording.

Well, they went in for a live feel with Brave New World and A Matter of Life and Death and I think the production results for both albums were pretty great. I won't complain if that's the resulting production we get and the songs are great.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2015, 05:46:14 AM
I'd be happy if it sounded like BNW and AMOLAD as opposed to DOD and TFF.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Lowdz on August 06, 2015, 07:08:28 AM
A good lengthy interview with Janick regarding his life before Maiden, how he got into Maiden, what was it like for Maiden after Bruce left, and after Bruce and Adrian came back, and some good detail regarding the new album.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html

Me likey!

I first saw Jannick when he was in Gillan. I wasa  bit gutted because I really liked Bernie Torme and Jannick wasn't as good. Got the same vibe when he replaced Adrain Smith. I was wanting more of a neo-classical guitar player at the time. Also the songwriting went downhill when Adrain left.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Train of Naught on August 06, 2015, 07:17:50 AM
I'd be happy if it sounded like BNW and AMOLAD as opposed to DOD and TFF.
I'd be more than just happy if it sounded like AMOLAD  ;D
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Post by: Lowdz on August 06, 2015, 03:28:20 PM
I'm a bit late to the party but that 30 second snippet is the best thing I've heard from Maiden since Fear Of The Dark (song).
I love how clear everything sounds.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on August 07, 2015, 01:14:58 AM
I first saw Jannick when he was in Gillan. I wasa  bit gutted because I really liked Bernie Torme and Jannick wasn't as good. Got the same vibe when he replaced Adrain Smith. I was wanting more of a neo-classical guitar player at the time. Also the songwriting went downhill when Adrain left.

Janick is a very different guitar player - much more fluid, more improvisational - but every bit as good. I just wish Maiden would showcase him a bit more so that fans can hear what he's truly capable of. But yeah, the songwriting plummeted without Adrian.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Ruba on August 07, 2015, 02:11:05 AM
I'm kinda scared they're putting out a double album, since their recent albums have been mediocre at best. Longer songs seem just bloated, shorter songs aren't as catchy as before. I gotta listen the album of course, but I'm not gonna buy it unless I'm liking it. Which seems kinda unlikely.

One thing that bugs me with reunion-Maiden is those intros. Why every song needs a lengthy intro witha clean guitar? Gets pretty repetitive after some time. The Talisman would be so much better if they'd written the intro better.

I wish Bruce would make another solo album, since they generally beat every Iron Maiden album (starting from Bruce Dickinson Skunkworks).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 05:27:57 AM
I'm kinda scared they're putting out a double album, since their recent albums have been mediocre at best. Longer songs seem just bloated, shorter songs aren't as catchy as before. I gotta listen the album of course, but I'm not gonna buy it unless I'm liking it. Which seems kinda unlikely.

One thing that bugs me with reunion-Maiden is those intros. Why every song needs a lengthy intro witha clean guitar? Gets pretty repetitive after some time. The Talisman would be so much better if they'd written the intro better.

I wish Bruce would make another solo album, since they generally beat every Iron Maiden album (starting from Bruce Dickinson Skunkworks).

only the middle paragraph matches my views, although some of Bruces albums are better than IM, I wouldnt consider Skunkworks one of them though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on August 07, 2015, 10:09:48 AM
I remember reading that Bruce has another solo album recorded, but they haven't released it. I'm looking forward to it as well.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 10:21:06 AM
Happy birthday Bruce!
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 07, 2015, 11:53:59 AM
Happy birthday Bruce!
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 12:13:13 PM
I remember reading that Bruce has another solo album recorded, but they haven't released it. I'm looking forward to it as well.

Yeah, I've heard that too. I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed or not. I figure that Roy Z is probably itching to go out and do some shows with Bruce again.

Speaking of which...

Happy birthday Bruce!

Been listening to Iron Maiden all day long in celebration! :tup :metal :hefdaddy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2015, 12:42:44 PM
I'm kinda scared they're putting out a double album, since their recent albums have been mediocre at best.
Wow Ruba I completely disagree. I don't think they've ever been better, and yes, I'm including the 80's stuff.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 01:22:02 PM
I'm kinda scared they're putting out a double album, since their recent albums have been mediocre at best.
Wow Ruba I completely disagree. I don't think they've ever been better, and yes, I'm including the 80's stuff.

They're definitely far more consistent in quality these days than they were back in the 80's.

BTW, someone over at MaidenFans forums posted this earlier today.

Quote
My buddy that I use to work in a record store with, he now works with a magazine company ( I'm not allowed to say) has heard the album and is making a review!! He said that Maiden doesn't want any reviews out until they say so. But he told me that the album sounds like it's own album, but if he had to compare, it's Final Frontier and AMOLAD with a pinch of Somewhere in Time. SiT being the guitars sounding sort of digital, and a great vocal performance by Bruce. He said don't compare production to any other album. It sounds different. Good, but really different. Highlight of the album is with out of doubt Empire of the Clouds. He got me so hyped for this album!!
https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/the-book-of-souls-official-pre-release-thread-contains-spoilers.31236/page-137#post-527786

I'm liking this description of the album a lot.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on August 07, 2015, 01:29:32 PM
I do agree that post reunion maiden has been very consistent with AMOLAD being one of my favorite maiden albums.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 07, 2015, 01:37:00 PM
The wait for the new single is killing me. Really hope we get to hear it before the 14th.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
I do agree that post reunion maiden has been very consistent with AMOLAD being one of my favorite maiden albums.

This, except AMOLAD IS my favorite IM album.  SiT is probably my second so that review is making me wet.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 02:12:23 PM
I do agree that post reunion maiden has been very consistent with AMOLAD being one of my favorite maiden albums.

This, except AMOLAD IS my favorite IM album.  SiT is probably my second so that review is making me wet.

I'm right there with you, though I'm also a huge fan of SSoaSS. :metal :hefdaddy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
I do agree that post reunion maiden has been very consistent with AMOLAD being one of my favorite maiden albums.

This, except AMOLAD IS my favorite IM album.  SiT is probably my second so that review is making me wet.

I'm right there with you, though I'm also a huge fan of SSoaSS. :metal :hefdaddy

Well, who isn't?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 02:28:37 PM
Well, who isn't?  :biggrin:

Paul Di'Anno, maybe? :biggrin:

I do think that SiT and SSoaSS are the classic era's two best albums. SiT being the most technically challenging and progressive work from the band and SSoaSS is arguably the musical culmination of Maiden through out that whole decade. However I lean a lot towards AMOLAD and have for a long time. :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
I pretty much agree with that, Powerslave right behind those two 80s albums. 
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Post by: Lowdz on August 07, 2015, 03:59:40 PM
Well, who isn't?  :biggrin:

Paul Di'Anno, maybe? :biggrin:

I do think that SiT and SSoaSS are the classic era's two best albums. SiT being the most technically challenging and progressive work from the band and SSoaSS is arguably the musical culmination of Maiden through out that whole decade. However I lean a lot towards AMOLAD and have for a long time. :metal

They were two of the weakest for me.

Killers
Powerslave
PoM
NOTB
SSoaSS
IM
SiT

Of the rest only BNW and AMOLAD are worthy of being in the same company, though all the albums have some great stuff in there, even the Blaze albums  :omg:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2015, 04:10:50 PM
Premiere of the new song only a week away.  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 04:26:54 PM
Well, who isn't?  :biggrin:

Paul Di'Anno, maybe? :biggrin:

I do think that SiT and SSoaSS are the classic era's two best albums. SiT being the most technically challenging and progressive work from the band and SSoaSS is arguably the musical culmination of Maiden through out that whole decade. However I lean a lot towards AMOLAD and have for a long time. :metal

They were two of the weakest for me.

Killers
Powerslave
PoM
NOTB
SSoaSS
IM
SiT

Of the rest only BNW and AMOLAD are worthy of being in the same company, though all the albums have some great stuff in there, even the Blaze albums  :omg:

I like the other classic albums and have grown to better appreciate them over the past year or so (especially NotB), but SSoaSS and SiT are both more consistent in quality than the previous albums of the 80's. PoM would probably be the closest in quality, but then it has Quest for Fire and arguably Sun & Steel botching that up in the tail-end of the album.

Besides SSoaSS has its title track, which is the best song Maiden wrote in the 80's. Even over Rime or Hallowed.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2015, 04:28:30 PM
Besides SSoaSS has its title track, which is the best song Maiden wrote in the 80's. Even over Rime or Hallowed.

I think I agree with this.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 04:30:46 PM
Premiere of the new song only a week away.  :metal

Can't wait. Hopefully we'll start getting more interviews and reviews by then too! :metal :hefdaddy

Besides SSoaSS has its title track, which is the best song Maiden wrote in the 80's. Even over Rime or Hallowed.

I think I agree with this.

(https://i.imgur.com/Vs3DqJG.gif)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2015, 04:31:13 PM
Rime yes.
Hallowed. I'm not going there.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 04:41:06 PM
Rime yes.
Hallowed. I'm not going there.

Hallowed is a classic, no questions there. It's actually very close between it and SSoaSS for me, actually, with Phantom of the Opera somewhere in the middle of the mix too. I think both are pretty much flawless songs, so I can see why people might prefer Hallowed.

SSoaSS just has this sense of 'majesty' to it that no other song in Maiden's discography has and the instrumental outro is right there with Powerslave as Adrian and Dave's finest moment as a twin guitar duo. Not to mention Bruce's vocals. Hearing him sing that long note (you know the one) live in 2013 was an otherworldly experience.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2015, 04:52:32 PM
SSOASS is great. I have it around #10 whereas I have Phantom about #5.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
SSOASS is great. I have it around #10 whereas I have Phantom about #5.

Phantom's been a huge grower for me over the years. I always loved the opening and main riff, but it took me a few years to really appreciate the song as a whole. Once I did, it just kept climbing further and further up my favorites list. That said, the best version of the song would almost definitely be the Beast over Hammersmith live version with a newly added Bruce on vocals.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
1. Hallowed
2. Rime
3. Legacy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 07:31:27 PM
1. Hallowed
2. Rime
3. Legacy

The Legacy is another masterpiece! Right there with Lord of Light as my favorite song off of AMOLAD. :metal :tup
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:09:33 AM
I think SOTC still gets my number one vote.
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Post by: Mladen on August 09, 2015, 05:29:03 AM
Same with me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 09, 2015, 08:35:18 AM
I think SOTC still gets my number one vote.

SotC is definitely a top 3 or 5 Maiden song for me. That said, I'm not sure where exactly it is for me these days.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 09, 2015, 09:02:24 AM
I think SOTC still gets my number one vote.

Yeah, Sign of the Cross may well be my number one, too. Other contenders would be Hallowed, The Legacy and, honestly, a handful of songs off TFF (that run of five epics at the end is the best five-song run in the Maiden discography and only The Man Who Would Be King doesn't come immediately to mind when I think about a top ten).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on August 09, 2015, 09:49:50 AM
As bad as the Blaze era is generally considered, I think Sign of the Cross and Clansman would both be in my top5 Maiden songs, so there's that.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Polarbear on August 09, 2015, 10:06:55 AM
Blaze era doesn't have many great songs, but Sign of the Cross, Clansman and The Educated Fool are awesome.

I would put Dream of Mirrors and The Thin Line Between Love and Hate in my top.10, Both are some of the best material of the reunion era IMO.

SSoaSS, The Legacy, Hallowed Be Thy Name, Revelations and Dream of Mirrors would probably be my top.5.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 09, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
What's amazing is how many GREAT songs they have. Not just good but great.
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Post by: Train of Naught on August 09, 2015, 11:32:38 AM
If I'd have to rank the three songs in question (which are all at least in my top 15) it would probably be:

1. Hallowed
2. Rime
3. SSoaSS
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on August 09, 2015, 01:42:12 PM
SSoaSS is mostly great, but truly suffers for the lame chorus.    I've always said that beginning with SiT and going forward (culminating in the abysmal VXI) 'Arry got incredibly lazy with his chorus'.    That was probably the most refreshing thing about AMOLAD.   There were only maybe 2 songs out of 10 with one phrase repeating itself over and over again.   That's quite a bit more in the ratio of early IM albums.   From SiT forward, at least half of the songs were like that.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 03:41:37 PM
I'd go as far as saying Maiden don't have any bad songs, just songs that aren't as good as others.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 09, 2015, 04:05:31 PM
I'd go as far as saying Maiden don't have any bad songs, just songs that aren't as good as others.

absolutely true
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:07:14 PM
El Dorado, Bring Your Daughter and From Here to Eternity are on the edge of being bad though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 09, 2015, 04:08:18 PM
El Dorado, Bring Your Daughter and From Here to Eternity are on the edge of being bad though.

I can't think of any songs from Maiden that I would even remotely consider bad or close to it.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 09, 2015, 04:10:34 PM
El Dorado, Bring Your Daughter and From Here to Eternity are on the edge of being bad though.

I can't think of any songs from Maiden that I would even remotely consider bad or close to it.

The Angel and the Gambler is arguably a bad song, I think. Easily Maiden's worst song.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:12:28 PM
Yeah that one too.  Although the edited version is excellent.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 09, 2015, 04:17:26 PM
Yeah that one too.  Although the edited version is excellent.

I've never actually listened to the edited version. I imagine it'd probably help tremendously, but I think the chorus itself is probably the worst offender of the old "repeated lyrics" complaint in Iron Maiden's discography.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:21:19 PM
Yeah that one too.  Although the edited version is excellent.

I've never actually listened to the edited version. I imagine it'd probably help tremendously, but I think the chorus itself is probably the worst offender of the old "repeated lyrics" complaint in Iron Maiden's discography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhlRyxWU21s

I think it's better than what you may think.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:22:09 PM
Speaking of Blaze, I wanna say that Virus is a fuckin' good song.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 09, 2015, 04:33:52 PM
Yeah that one too.  Although the edited version is excellent.

I've never actually listened to the edited version. I imagine it'd probably help tremendously, but I think the chorus itself is probably the worst offender of the old "repeated lyrics" complaint in Iron Maiden's discography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhlRyxWU21s

I think it's better than what you may think.

No, this is about what I expected it to be. Editing it down did the song a huge favor, so it's not nearly as bad as the album version is, but the chorus still stinks it up. It's just too repetitive. I can't see Bruce or even Paul doing a better job with that chorus either, it just flat-out needed more time and effort from Steve.

Speaking of Blaze, I wanna say that Virus is a fuckin' good song.

I'm not sure what I think of Virus. It seems like good ideas, but they haven't really clicked with me yet. Granted, I don't think I've listened to the song more than three or four times in my seven years of being a Maiden fan.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 09, 2015, 04:39:12 PM
Speaking of Blaze, I wanna say that Virus is a fuckin' good song.

great song
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Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 05:07:54 PM
Speaking of Blaze, I wanna say that Virus is a fuckin' good song.

great song

Yeah buddy.
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Post by: 425 on August 09, 2015, 08:24:26 PM
El Dorado, Bring Your Daughter and From Here to Eternity are on the edge of being bad though.

El Dorado is great.

The other two are silly.

The Angel and the Gambler is arguably a bad song, I think. Easily Maiden's worst song.

Angel and the Gambler is awesome. It's harmed significantly by being way too long, but the actual good song hidden in the bloat is awesome.



I'd go as far as saying Maiden don't have any bad songs, just songs that aren't as good as others.

Weekend Warrior.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 09, 2015, 08:39:44 PM
The Apparition is a horrible song, as is Weekend Warrior. And don't get me started on the Virtual XI material.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 09, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
The Apparition is a horrible song, as is Weekend Warrior. And don't get me started on the Virtual XI material.

Whoa there!  Lets reel you in a bit, bud.

The Apparition is a good track, and has some pretty cool lyrics that are a-typical of Maiden. 

The only 'bad' track on VXI is really AATG, and as 425 said, and we've discussed before, the single edit of that album largely corrects most of the mistakes they made with that song, namely its length. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 09, 2015, 08:55:07 PM
The Apparition is a horrible song, as is Weekend Warrior. And don't get me started on the Virtual XI material.

The Apparition is shockingly mediocre. Weekend Warrior is bad.

VXI is awesome, easily the second best 90s album.
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Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2015, 05:51:15 AM
The Apparition has a cool structure which saves it IMO, and the instrumental section is killer.  It's not the best song, but I don't mind it.  WW, is borderline too, but the solos save the song also IMO.
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Post by: mrrct on August 10, 2015, 05:57:53 PM
I always hated Wasting Love, and view it as the line of demarcation between the good songs and the bad songs on Fear of the Dark, until it redeems itself with the title track at the end.

I agree with those who hate The Angel and the Gambler.  I find it wretched.  I do like Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter as kind of a guilty pleasure and I also find From Here to Eternity as a very good hard rock song, but maybe a little out of place with Maiden.

I find the last two albums of theirs to be very non-descript as opposed to bad.  I like the track The Final Frontier if you edit out the first four and a half minutes of Satellite 15.  I equate the last two albums to the two Blaze albums:  very little is actually bad, but most of the songs don't register no matter how many times I listen to them.  The Blaze albums might even have more good songs on them (Sign of the Cross, Lord of the Flies, Futureal, The Clansman) than the last two, although they're obviously improved with Dickinson singing them.  Oddly enough, I like the Blaze live version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers better than the Dickinson album version, maybe because Bruce's voice was shot for a few years (NPFTD and FOTD), although it recovered during his solo career.

Wolfking and jjRock88 are right about Virus being a great song.  It's the only reason I still have Best of the Beast, since I already have everything else from that career retrospective on other albums.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 10, 2015, 06:02:24 PM
I also find From Here to Eternity as a very good hard rock song, but maybe a little out of place with Maiden.

Yah, I agree.  I always thought it would make a good AC/DC song when I was growing up.

I watched Raising Hell the other day, god what an awful concert video that was.  The magic stuff is tacky beyond words and the mix is shit, the band is pretty mediocre as well. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 10, 2015, 07:38:26 PM
Bruce yet again proves to be the badass that he is.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-makes-emergency-landing-after-his-replica-war-plane-runs-low-on-fuel/

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on August 10, 2015, 08:03:44 PM
I always hated Wasting Love, and view it as the line of demarcation between the good songs and the bad songs on Fear of the Dark, until it redeems itself with the title track at the end.

I agree with those who hate The Angel and the Gambler.  I find it wretched.  I do like Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter as kind of a guilty pleasure and I also find From Here to Eternity as a very good hard rock song, but maybe a little out of place with Maiden.

I find the last two albums of theirs to be very non-descript as opposed to bad.  I like the track The Final Frontier if you edit out the first four and a half minutes of Satellite 15.  I equate the last two albums to the two Blaze albums:  very little is actually bad, but most of the songs don't register no matter how many times I listen to them.  The Blaze albums might even have more good songs on them (Sign of the Cross, Lord of the Flies, Futureal, The Clansman) than the last two, although they're obviously improved with Dickinson singing them.  Oddly enough, I like the Blaze live version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers better than the Dickinson album version, maybe because Bruce's voice was shot for a few years (NPFTD and FOTD), although it recovered during his solo career.

Wolfking and jjRock88 are right about Virus being a great song.  It's the only reason I still have Best of the Beast, since I already have everything else from that career retrospective on other albums.

Nailed it.   

I remember liking FotD as an album a lot more than people give it credit for.   It certainly seemed like a big time comeback after NPftD...which was just a dumb album.   I mean, the opening tracks from the two albums set them apart like night and day from the get go.   Holy Smoke is just silly, and Tailgunner is just freakin AWESOME. 

I also love From Here to Eternity and I'm really shocked by the negative feedback it's getting.   Certainly a livelier chorus than half the other IM songs from the era. 

I don't even know how people can lump TXF and VXI in the same pile.   Besides having Blaze at the helm, the two albums are as far apart as I can imagine.   TXF is a really dark album, and one of the more underrated in the entire catalog...VXI is just crap.     Even the songs that I start out liking (Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger) make me want to smash my stereo before it's finished.    The Clansman is OK, but that's pretty much it's only saving grace.   
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 10, 2015, 08:11:55 PM
I remember liking FotD as an album a lot more than people give it credit for.   It certainly seemed like a big time comeback after NPftD...which was just a dumb album.   I mean, the opening tracks from the two albums set them apart like night and day from the get go.   Holy Smoke is just silly, and Tailgunner is just freakin AWESOME.

 ???

Tailgunner is the opening track on No Prayer for the Dying, not Fear of the Dark! Holy Smoke is track 2 on NPFTD.

FOTD opens up with Be Quick or Be Dead, which is followed by From Here To Eternity, which is sillier than Holy Smoke.


  I don't even know how people can lump TXF and VXI in the same pile.   Besides having Blaze at the helm, the two albums are as far apart as I can imagine.   TXF is a really dark album, and one of the more underrated in the entire catalog

Yes, I agree 100%.

...VXI is just crap.     Even the songs that I start out liking (Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger) make me want to smash my stereo before it's finished.    The Clansman is OK, but that's pretty much it's only saving grace.

No, I disagree 100%. VXI isn't in the league of TXF, but I'd put it in middle-bottom tier. It's easily the second best 90s album.


If you look at the two from a songwriting perspective, it becomes clear that VXI is like an immature BNW. It's the step that they absolutely needed to take to get to Brave New World. BNW definitely would not exist if not for VXI.
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Post by: jammindude on August 10, 2015, 08:21:00 PM
Thank you for the correction.     :facepalm:   Shows you how long it's been since I listened to those albums. 

I think my brain slipped a gear because Holy Smoke was the lead off single...and it's dumb.   BQoBD was the lead off single from FotD and it completely kicks ass. 

But I guess now I've found a song from No Prayer that I actually like (Tailgunner) too bad it's just all downhill after that.

No way FHtE is sillier than Holy Smoke.    Holy Smoke feels like a Spinal Tap song to me, whereas FHtE just feels like straight up  :metal  .   I love it.

EDIT: ...and as far as VXI being an immature BNW, you might have a point.   Too bad Steve didn't learn his lesson though.   I'll never forget how much that album let me down.   I dropped Maiden completely for YEARS after that disappointment.   I wanted the reunion, but I was expecting a return to form.   What I got was.....OK.    Still way too many repetitive choruses.      I never heard any of the new stuff after that until someone told me to check out AMOLAD just about a year ago.   Totally blew my doors off and renewed my interest in Maiden.   Still don't like BNW, but I'm hoping to check out DoD and FF soon.
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Post by: 425 on August 10, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
But I guess now I've found a song from No Prayer that I actually like (Tailgunner) too bad it's just all downhill after that.

 :lol At least something good came of it! I wouldn't dare try to sell anyone on the silly Holy Smoke, Hooks In You or Bring Your Daughter..., but I feel that at least the title track and Mother Russia are awesome, serious songs worthy of another chance.

No way FHtE is sillier than Holy Smoke.    Holy Smoke feels like a Spinal Tap song to me, whereas FHtE just feels like straight up  :metal  .   I love it.

Yeah, Bruce does ham it up more in Holy Smoke... but, lyrically, at least that one has a message that isn't just thinly veiled innuendo.

I also don't really appreciate the way FHTE (and HIY before it) tack on to the Charlotte story but just make it silly instead of smart and meaningfully satirical.
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Post by: bl5150 on August 10, 2015, 08:36:56 PM
I like Holy Smoke  ;D   It's a very light hearted video/song but with an underlying message - similar to Miracle Man by Ozzy.  And I actually like Bruce when he sings in that lower, gruffer range rather than pushing himself to the limit up high.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 11, 2015, 01:02:07 AM
Great points about FOTD and NPFTD. I was an avid fan ever since Killers came out and bought every album upon release.
They improved with every album, right up until SSOASS, after that...the air sort of went out of the tire, I guess. There definetely are some great songs on Fear of the dark, but the bad songs are really, REALLY bad.... same with prayer for the dying, tailgunner is great, I even liked holy smoke. Same with the Assassin and Fates warning, and I loved Run silent, run deep.
Hooks in you and Bring your daughter though, are just silly really. And too easy, not Maiden-worthy for me. I seriously went off them after that.
Never bought XI or Virtual X. Glad I caught on with BNW and really regretting never having seen them live until now.... I just hope Kevin Shirley keeps a bit of a raw edge to the sound of the new album though. That fragment sounded a bit too slick for my liking.   :metal
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 11, 2015, 01:07:03 AM
Bruce yet again proves to be the badass that he is.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-makes-emergency-landing-after-his-replica-war-plane-runs-low-on-fuel/

LOL 'in my spare time I sing a bit'  :mehlin

He looks like a frigging tailgunner in that pic!
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Post by: Mladen on August 11, 2015, 04:39:07 AM
No, I disagree 100%. VXI isn't in the league of TXF, but I'd put it in middle-bottom tier. It's easily the second best 90s album.


If you look at the two from a songwriting perspective, it becomes clear that VXI is like an immature BNW. It's the step that they absolutely needed to take to get to Brave New World. BNW definitely would not exist if not for VXI.
VXI definitely is the 2nd best 90s Maiden album, but even then it's still their 3rd worst album. Which is quite painful to say, I still consider it to be pretty good and massively underrated.

As far as comparisons to BNW go, that's absolutely true. BNW sounds like a slightly upgraded VXI. The songwriting is remarkably similar, and it's a known fact that the band used some leftovers from VXI.
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Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2015, 04:13:15 PM
Having been a fan from the first album I didn't even buy NPFtD or XF. I have listened to both since and don't feel I'm missing much. I did buy VXI and didn't hate it but I really don't like Blaze's flat, boring voice. Nice bloke though. Had a few drinks with him and Wolfsbane after a gig.
I don't mind Holy Smoke or BYDTTS but by this stage other bands were doing Maiden better than Maiden were and I gravitated to them. I really fell out with Bruce's voice around this time too so his solo stuff didn't grab me either.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 04:19:21 PM
Did you pick up The Chemical Wedding?  That's a prime example of people doing Maiden better than Maiden, and Bruce's voice is back in form.  Even on Accident of Birth really. 
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 04:22:34 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 04:29:22 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

this guy gets it
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Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2015, 04:31:28 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

If that were true, I would have it.  I do not have it.  In fact, I have never even heard it.  Ergo, it is not the best ever metal album.
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Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2015, 04:31:37 PM
I have tried it. It's one of those have to be in the mood albums for me. It's a bit dark and I generally don't do dark. Quality album though.
I'm listening to dance of death arm and enjoying it more than I remember .
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 04:37:57 PM
Dark is how I would describe it definitely.  Lyrically, aesthetically and even sonically. 
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

If that were true, I would have it.  I do not have it.  In fact, I have never even heard it.  Ergo, it is not the best ever metal album.

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Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2015, 04:43:16 PM
I've moved on to Tyranny of Souls now, probably my favourite Bruce album.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 04:45:18 PM
I really rate that album, besides Believil probably. I just wish Roy's guitar sounded less single-coily.
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Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2015, 04:48:11 PM
I really rate that album, besides Believil probably. I just wish Roy's guitar sounded less single-coily.

I prefer the guitar sound on this to most Maiden albums and the other Bruce albums. None of that down tuned stuff.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 05:04:07 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?
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Post by: TAC on August 11, 2015, 05:44:21 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny! 
There sure is, and that's why it took me the longest to appreciate.
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Post by: Mosh on August 11, 2015, 06:00:02 PM
Chemical Wedding is just as good, if not better than anything Maiden ever did. Definitely one of the greatest Metal albums of all time. I wouldn't say the best (that goes to Painkiller for me) but definitely in the top 5.
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 06:24:04 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?

Most of Bruce's stuff is either standard or Drop D tuning, although CW has songs dropped a lot lower than that.  H even used bass strings apparently to get the bottom end.
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Post by: TAC on August 11, 2015, 06:27:07 PM
Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 07:12:41 PM
Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.

Hmmm, I don't agree with this.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 07:40:44 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?

Most of Bruce's stuff is either standard or Drop D tuning, although CW has songs dropped a lot lower than that.  H even used bass strings apparently to get the bottom end.

Yep, I've heard that bandied about.  Specifically for King in Crimson and Trumpets of Jericho, both of which would use a low B.  Which explains why they're played one after the other live.   

I always wondered if they meant he had restrung a six string to get that low B, or if he just replaced the B on a standard 7 string with a 0.30-0.35 bass string (which would be the G on a bass guitar).  Either way it must put some gnarly strain on that poor guitar neck. 

Furthermore, why wouldn't you just use a baritone guitar? :lol I guess that's a part of H's charm; he can be deeply idiosyncratic.  I remember watching a video where he talks about first learning the riffs from Accident of Birth that were in 'drop d' and he took to tuning his whole guitar down to D standard - strings flopping about like 6 trouts in a puddle. 

Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.

Hmmm, I don't agree with this.

I always thought songs like Navigate the Seas of the Sun and Devil on a Hog were much lighter, and more playful than anything on Chemical Wedding. 
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 07:49:43 PM
It sounds like a baritone guitar anyway, I also don't understand why they just didn't take that route.  Not sure how they did the bass strings on the guitar either, I don't think there's ever been concrete info on how this was done.  I don't see how that would have worked, surely would have damaged the guitar.

I've seen that video of H also where he had never heard of Drop D until Roy was doing it.  :lol

And yeah, I get the title track and Believil are pretty dark, but not compared to CW IMO.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 11, 2015, 08:22:50 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

If that were true, I would have it.  I do not have it.  In fact, I have never even heard it.  Ergo, it is not the best ever metal album.

(https://www.quickmeme.com/img/34/34c5a5d89699a28f2486c23c5b381486b62553f3eba9ebaccf36df6306494e00.jpg)

Wolfking nailed it.

Bosk, if you haven't heard The Chemical Wedding yet, you need to change that ASAP. Easily the best work to ever come from Bruce, which is saying something.
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Post by: 425 on August 11, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
I haven't heard it either. I've heard Accident of Birth, and thought it was pretty good, but it wasn't really enough to inspire me to buy more solo Bruce.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 11, 2015, 10:07:41 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

5 star album for sure!
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Post by: ariich on August 12, 2015, 02:56:37 AM
I definitely don't think it's the best ever metal album, but I definitely do think it's fantastic and better than any Maiden album.

I also appear to be the only person who prefers Virtual XI to X Factor.
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Post by: aurorablind on August 12, 2015, 04:10:04 AM
So - two days until Speed of Light comes out! Who`s excited??! :metal
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Post by: Mladen on August 12, 2015, 04:33:41 AM
I'm extremely excited, can't wait till Friday.  :metal
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 12, 2015, 05:36:24 AM
I definitely don't think it's the best ever metal album, but I definitely do think it's fantastic and better than any Maiden album.

I also appear to be the only person who prefers Virtual XI to X Factor.

It's not necessarily my favorite album ever either, but it's the first album that comes to mind when I hear the term "heavy metal." It's the watershed album of the central origins of the metal genre. There are a few other albums, like two or three works from Fates Warning, that I rank higher personally as progressive metal albums.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 05:39:27 AM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 12, 2015, 05:42:32 AM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 05:43:55 AM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.

Just had a look and no I can't find one.  I thought they did though, oh well, one more day can't hurt.  ;D
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 12, 2015, 06:14:58 AM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.

Just had a look and no I can't find one.  I thought they did though, oh well, one more day can't hurt.  ;D

I'm glad you figured it out.  so I must be getting it like, 3-4 hours before you?  or something.  time zones hurt my head. 
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Post by: Lowdz on August 12, 2015, 06:38:33 AM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?

Hadn't got that far at that point  :biggrin: The memory aint what it was...
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Post by: Lowdz on August 12, 2015, 06:40:12 AM
Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.

Hmmm, I don't agree with this.

It doesn't come across that way to me. Chemical wedding sounds darker. I don't associate ToS as being a dark album but yes, its there.
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Post by: TAC on August 12, 2015, 07:26:26 AM
New interview with Jannick and Adrian:
https://thequietus.com/articles/18529-iron-maiden-interview
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 12, 2015, 07:32:03 AM
Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.

Hmmm, I don't agree with this.

It doesn't come across that way to me. Chemical wedding sounds darker. I don't associate ToS as being a dark album but yes, its there.

ToS has its dark moments, but yeah, The Chemical Wedding is definitely a far darker album overall. I don't know how you could listen to both albums and not hear that, regardless of which album you think is actually better.
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Post by: Zantera on August 12, 2015, 11:24:10 AM
Jerusalem and Book of Thel are definitely two of the best BD solo tracks and both are on Chemical Wedding. As awesome as Chemical Wedding is, I always found myself returning to Tyranny of Souls and Skunkworks more often. Those aren't necessarily better than CW, but both were different in their own ways.
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Post by: 425 on August 12, 2015, 11:37:39 AM
New interview with Jannick and Adrian:
https://thequietus.com/articles/18529-iron-maiden-interview

Thanks for posting this, it was pretty interesting.

These two are the members of the band who I wonder most about the working relationships between them, given that one replaced the other and still plays some of his guitar solos live today. It was amusing to see them actually acknowledge the fact that, when there are just two solos on an Adrian- or Janick-written song, they're almost always played by the songwriter and Dave, "so Davey gets to play everything."  :lol

It also just keeps getting more and more interesting to hear about the way that Bruce composed Empire of the Clouds. I'm getting quite excited to hear what that one is like.

This one was also good to read as well, about the working relationship between the guitarists:
Quote from: Adrian Smith
There is nothing above healthy competition. I know if Dave goes in and does a solo in two takes then I’ll be trying to do the same thing; it pushes you to do your best."

There are just so few bands that have three guitarists (much less a situation like this where all three are "lead" guitarists at least some of the time) that I wonder sometimes how these guys do it, logistically as well as personally. I think a majority of metal guitarists wouldn't be able to do it just from a perspective of ego.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 12, 2015, 12:12:22 PM
Yea good points and that was a nice read.  I think what seperates the IM 3 guitarists and their egos is that they kind of were in a been there done that point in their careers and IM was practically dead after V11.  If those guys couldn't come to grips and work together, who knows where they would be today, but most likely not doing anything as big or special as IM.  They all had years of being in a big time band, it was time they started putting the egos aside and work together, in a healthy way.  Im sure the success of BNW helped them continue going down that path. 

Granted that is all just from my head and nothing from interviews or anything sourced from the band, just the way they rub off on me now from reading an interview like that.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?

Hadn't got that far at that point  :biggrin: The memory aint what it was...

Kill Devil Hill is drop D, but Soul Intruders is in standard tuning.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 04:30:54 PM
Interesting to read that Adrian has not been happy with some of the production in the past.  He's happy with this one so hopefully it's a step up from TFF prodution wise.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 12, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
New interview with Jannick and Adrian:
https://thequietus.com/articles/18529-iron-maiden-interview

Cheers for that.

Interesting what he said about Shirley regarding the guitar sounds.  Reminded me of that story on the Rush documentary where Alex Lifeson talks about arguing with Kevin Shirley about putting some reverb on his guitar :lol

Interesting to read that Adrian has not been happy with some of the production in the past.  He's happy with this one so hopefully it's a step up from TFF prodution wise.

yeah that was interesting, I wonder how different AMOLAD would've sounded if H had his way...
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
yeah that was interesting, I wonder how different AMOLAD would've sounded if H had his way...

Probably a lot better.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 12, 2015, 05:21:00 PM
True, I find I trust Adrian's opinion on sound with no basis for that trust other than his superb guitar and his own sound.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 12, 2015, 07:53:57 PM
yeah that was interesting, I wonder how different AMOLAD would've sounded if H had his way...

Probably a lot better.

Probably, but I do think that the sound Shirley and Harris found on AMOLAD at least worked for that album. The same can't be said for TFF, imo.

True, I find I trust Adrian's opinion on sound with no basis for that trust other than his superb guitar and his own sound.

I trust Adrian's opinion based on that and because he apparently had more input on the production of Somewhere in Time. That album had an incredible sound, especially for the guitars.
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Post by: Cool Chris on August 12, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
... when there are just two solos on an Adrian- or Janick-written song, they're almost always played by the songwriter and Dave...

"Just two solos" on a song. Oh the problems of a metal band...  :biggrin:

Thread inspired me to listen to SiT and SSoaSS again, as I don't rank them very high in my IM catalog. After further review, I quite enjoyed SSoaSS. I don't think it is stellar, and has a couple mediocre tracks on it, but has some great songs too and feels solid start to finish. I keep my assessment for SiT the same though. Nothing memorable, so it remains at the bottom of my IM rankings.
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Post by: jammindude on August 12, 2015, 08:14:10 PM
... when there are just two solos on an Adrian- or Janick-written song, they're almost always played by the songwriter and Dave...

"Just two solos" on a song. Oh the problems of a metal band...  :biggrin:

Thread inspired me to listen to SiT and SSoaSS again, as I don't rank them very high in my IM catalog. After further review, I quite enjoyed SSoaSS. I don't think it is stellar, and has a couple mediocre tracks on it, but has some great songs too and feels solid start to finish. I keep my assessment for SiT the same though. Nothing memorable, so it remains at the bottom of my IM rankings.

Thank you.  I no longer feel like the proverbial "red-headed stepchild" of the Iron Maiden community.   Somewhere In Time was disappointing when it first came out, and it's never recovered.    SSoaSS is better, and I've grown to like it quite a bit.   But SiT is mostly pretty boring.
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Post by: 425 on August 12, 2015, 08:16:25 PM
... when there are just two solos on an Adrian- or Janick-written song, they're almost always played by the songwriter and Dave...

"Just two solos" on a song. Oh the problems of a metal band...  :biggrin:


:lol Well, Iron Maiden does solo a lot. A lot of the reunion era epics have solos from all three guitarists.

Though it does help that the solos are often played one after the other in the same solo section. Unless you're specifically listening for the point where the guitarists switch off, you'd probably think that most Maiden songs had just one solo.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 12, 2015, 08:24:35 PM
I always thought it was funny on Wicker Man how Adrian wrote it and plays all the solo breaks, even when they would work well with at least one other guitar playing one of the licks (esp. in the guitar melody leading into the solo).  Seems like he wasn't willing to compromise on that one haha.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 12, 2015, 08:35:16 PM
I always thought it was funny on Wicker Man how Adrian wrote it and plays all the solo breaks, even when they would work well with at least one other guitar playing one of the licks (esp. in the guitar melody leading into the solo).  Seems like he wasn't willing to compromise on that one haha.

I can hardly blame him on that, seeing as how Janick and Dave seemingly got most of the big guitar moments on BNW, since a lot of it was leftover material from V11.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 09:45:52 PM
I never really looked at Maiden as a 'lots of solos' band.  Sure they only have a couple of songs without solos, but there's nothing overly long in terms of solo length, besides a few tracks from Powerslave.  I actually wish Maiden did more of the long Duelist type 3 minute style instrumental sections.

I could be wrong, but that's what pops in my head, nothing they have really done seems too long instrumental wise.

I also wished Maiden did more shorter solos throughout sections of songs, like King Diamond.  Break the structures down a bit.
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Post by: 425 on August 12, 2015, 10:47:22 PM
I think by number of solos, counting a solo by one guitarist that immediately goes into a solo by another guitarist as two separate solos, they play a high number of solos. But they don't spend a lot of time soloing. That's because, unlike a lot of metal guitarists, Adrian, Dave and Janick seem to prefer playing a brief, tasteful solo to embarking on a minute+ long affair. Consider For the Greater Good of God, on AMOLAD. All three guitarists play solos, each going right into the other. But the whole solo section is only around a minute long, because the solos themselves are compact. I would bet that the median length of an Iron Maiden guitar solo is less than thirty seconds. I think the longest single guitar solo in any Maiden song is probably Adrian's in Stranger In A Strange Land, which is a) an awesome solo and b) not wanky at all. I think the fact that all three of them play compact, tasteful solos is another thing that makes the three guitarist thing work so well. Not one of them feels the need to go off on a 90 second shredfest at any time.
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Post by: nobloodyname on August 13, 2015, 12:44:46 AM
Somewhere In Time was disappointing when it first came out, and it's never recovered. [...]But SiT is mostly pretty boring.

:facepalm:

Oh my giddy aunt!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 13, 2015, 01:15:03 AM
They make the solo's/soli fit the song perfectly, which is a great quality in a band. And I disagree mostly on SiT. I remember when it came out and I read the review and going 'Oh lord, there's synths on the album, must be shit'. Then buying it anyway and playing it and going 'f'ing hell it sounds goregeous!'. Somewhere in time isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. I love Stranger in a strange land, Wasted years and a couple more. It's the longer songs that drag it down, in my opinion. Lonelyness of the long distance runner....yeah, sorry, can't get into it. Same with Alexander the Great.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: nobloodyname on August 13, 2015, 01:38:45 AM
Nothing I like more when out on my bike for a couple of hours than for The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner to come on. That or Marathon by Rush.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 13, 2015, 05:06:56 AM
Someone posted the lyrics to Speed of Light.
https://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html (https://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2015, 05:32:09 AM
I actually wish Maiden did more of the long Duelist type 3 minute style instrumental sections.

 :metal I'd love to see something like that too

and with an 18 minute song, I'd imagine there is a long instrumental part
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 13, 2015, 06:17:12 AM
I never really looked at Maiden as a 'lots of solos' band.  Sure they only have a couple of songs without solos, but there's nothing overly long in terms of solo length, besides a few tracks from Powerslave.  I actually wish Maiden did more of the long Duelist type 3 minute style instrumental sections.

I could be wrong, but that's what pops in my head, nothing they have really done seems too long instrumental wise.
I am so with you on The Duelist. In really love that song because of that section.

Caught Somewhere In Time has a pretty long instrumental section.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2015, 06:23:34 AM
The Duelists is one of the most creative pieces they have done IMO, Flash of the Blade too.

CSIT immediately sprung to mind with the long solo thing too.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 13, 2015, 07:31:25 AM
Someone posted the lyrics to Speed of Light.
https://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html (https://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html)
Seems like quite a ride and to the point.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 13, 2015, 07:31:38 AM
They make the solo's/soli fit the song perfectly, which is a great quality in a band. And I disagree mostly on SiT. I remember when it came out and I read the review and going 'Oh lord, there's synths on the album, must be shit'. Then buying it anyway and playing it and going 'f'ing hell it sounds goregeous!'. Somewhere in time isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. I love Stranger in a strange land, Wasted years and a couple more. It's the longer songs that drag it down, in my opinion. Lonelyness of the long distance runner....yeah, sorry, can't get into it. Same with Alexander the Great.

SiT is a great album.

Alex is great, Caught Somewhere In Time is great, Wasted Years is great, Stranger In a Strange Land is terrific. Sea of Madness is really good as well, and Heaven Can Wait is solid. Deja Vu is kind of eh and Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is middle-of-the-road for Maiden, but all of their 80s albums had a song or two that are kind of like that (Gangland, Quest For Fire/Sun and Steel, Can I Play With Madness,etc.)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2015, 08:40:18 AM
Someone posted the lyrics to Speed of Light.
https://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html (https://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html)
Seems like quite a ride and to the point.

I thought when I opened it, I would see these lyrics instead as a joke:

Quote
All the force of nature, chaos and the death of hope
Don't resist them and accept the death of all you know
You walk alone and face the darkness you will be reborn
Rediscover your existence in it's purest form
Searching for the reasons why, will you know when it's your time?
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
The speed of light
As the future casts a shadow into here and now
Time tells a secret whisper it without a sound
You trust yourself your instincts or the answers of mankind
Will you ever have the strength to leave this world and find
Searching for the reasons why will you know when it's your time?
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
The speed of light
All the force of nature, chaos and the death of hope
Don't resist them and accept the death of all you know
You walk alone and face the darkness you will be reborn
Rediscover your existence in it's purest form
Searching for the reasons why, will you know when it's your time?
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
The speed of light
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on August 13, 2015, 10:46:59 AM
Most people would still fall for it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 13, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
They make the solo's/soli fit the song perfectly, which is a great quality in a band. And I disagree mostly on SiT. I remember when it came out and I read the review and going 'Oh lord, there's synths on the album, must be shit'. Then buying it anyway and playing it and going 'f'ing hell it sounds goregeous!'. Somewhere in time isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. I love Stranger in a strange land, Wasted years and a couple more. It's the longer songs that drag it down, in my opinion. Lonelyness of the long distance runner....yeah, sorry, can't get into it. Same with Alexander the Great.

SiT is a great album.

Alex is great, Caught Somewhere In Time is great, Wasted Years is great, Stranger In a Strange Land is terrific. Sea of Madness is really good as well, and Heaven Can Wait is solid. Deja Vu is kind of eh and Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is middle-of-the-road for Maiden, but all of their 80s albums had a song or two that are kind of like that (Gangland, Quest For Fire/Sun and Steel, Can I Play With Madness,etc.)

I actually like Deja Vu a lot personally. To me, the weakest song on the album is actually Heaven Can Wait, due to its mismatched chorus. Alexander's lyrics are really weak, but it's saved by just how musically brilliant the song is. It's arguably the most progressive song in Maiden's catalogue. 

My favorite on SiT is probably Sea of Madness. Really underrated song from Adrian, imo.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 13, 2015, 11:40:06 AM
I actually like Deja Vu a lot personally. To me, the weakest song on the album is actually Heaven Can Wait, due to its mismatched chorus. Alexander's lyrics are really weak, but it's saved by just how musically brilliant the song is. It's arguably the most progressive song in Maiden's catalogue. 

My favorite on SiT is probably Sea of Madness. Really underrated song from Adrian, imo.
This. And Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is great, too.
How about some SiT rankings :P
1. Sea of Madness/Wasted Years
3. Deja-Vu
4. Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
5. Caught Somewhere in Time
6. Stranger in a Strange Land
7. Alexander the Great
8. Heaven Can Wait
Still I love them all but HCW, good track but I don't care for it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 13, 2015, 12:09:47 PM
1. Alexander the Great
2. Stranger In a Strange Land
3. Caught Somewhere In Time
4. Wasted Years
5. Sea of Madness
6. Heaven Can Wait
7. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
8. Deja Vu
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 13, 2015, 12:33:29 PM
1. Sea of Madness
2. Alexander the Great
3. Caught Somewhere in Time
4. Stranger in a Strange Land
5. Deja Vu
6. Wasted Years
7. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
8. Heaven Can Wait

I think that'd be my ranking for the album, but I'd really need to listen to it again to be sure. Like I said before, Alex's lyrics are weak, but the music itself is simply superb, which still keeps it near the top of the album for me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on August 13, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
I feel like I might be the only Maiden fan in existance that doesn't care for Wasted Years even a little bit. Easily the most boring song on that record, and such a waste of a killer intro riff.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2015, 01:37:57 PM
1. Caught Somewhere in Time
2. Deja Vu
3. Alexander the Great
4. Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
5. Wasted Years
6. Stranger in a Stange Land
7. Heaven Can Wait
8. Sea of Madness
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.

Just had a look and no I can't find one.  I thought they did though, oh well, one more day can't hurt.  ;D

8am BST according to their recent FB post.

https://www.youtube.com/ironmaiden (https://www.youtube.com/ironmaiden)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 13, 2015, 02:20:05 PM
Can't wait! Btw pretty cool that their YT page have uploaded old videos in HD.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2015, 03:49:12 PM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.

Just had a look and no I can't find one.  I thought they did though, oh well, one more day can't hurt.  ;D

8am BST according to their recent FB post.

https://www.youtube.com/ironmaiden (https://www.youtube.com/ironmaiden)

Thanks mate, it's that time right now where I am, so maybe that works out to later on tonight.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 13, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
Midnight tonight for me. Can't wait!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 13, 2015, 03:55:43 PM
I feel like I might be the only Maiden fan in existance that doesn't care for Wasted Years even a little bit. Easily the most boring song on that record, and such a waste of a killer intro riff.

ahhh what?  It was definitely one of the highlights of the show when they came to NZ in 08, it was an epic sing along.  so much feels. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2015, 03:59:55 PM
Midnight tonight for me. Can't wait!

Midnight, damn gotta wait up.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Big Hath on August 13, 2015, 09:24:46 PM
Midnight tonight for me. Can't wait!

I guess they should have made it 7:58 BST so it could have been 2 minutes to midnight for you.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 13, 2015, 09:27:54 PM
It already leaked actually...

 :hat
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on August 13, 2015, 09:45:34 PM
pretty good. It definitely sounds like a single to me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 13, 2015, 09:57:28 PM
It reminds me a lot of Deep Purple and Dio-era Black Sabbath. Much heavier than Different World or The Final Frontier were. It's almost definitely my favorite single from the post-reunion era so far.

Bruce sounds incredible. It's even more mind-boggling when you realize that he had to have been recording with two undiagnosed tumors in his mouth.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: aurorablind on August 13, 2015, 11:55:14 PM
Love it!  :metal
It`s so refresshing to hear the classic Smith/Dickinson-colab-sound again.
It may be the best single since Wicker Man.

The only thing Im not to fond of is Dave`s solo. Sounds pretty uninspired IMO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 14, 2015, 12:35:43 AM
Quality's not too good but I like the song a lot. Not one of their best but a solid track for sure.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Train of Naught on August 14, 2015, 01:12:18 AM
LOVE the intro, when in need, resort to the goo' old cowbell.
Gotta say the rest of the song didn't totally live up to that intro, but it's still an awesome track.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: aurorablind on August 14, 2015, 01:14:09 AM
Official music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7A24f6gNc
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 14, 2015, 01:20:45 AM
Official music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7A24f6gNc
That was awesome :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: theseoafs on August 14, 2015, 01:26:35 AM
Music video is pretty interesting.  Not every moment was captivating but there were some stellar parts, particularly Eddie beating up the devil with text from the HUD in the fighting game  :lol

The song is pretty good on first listen.  Pretty much par for the course for Maiden at this point, a very catchy, upbeat single.  The thing I'm most ambivalent about is the vocal melodies, which are kind of bland and odd.  Usually Maiden's melodies are much stronger, though there are some exceptions (looking at you, Wildest Dreams).  But the band is on point and I agree that the intro is excellent.  Could be a decent show opener, If Eternity Should Fall will fill that role if history is any indication.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 14, 2015, 01:30:10 AM
Loved it! Both the song and the video.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on August 14, 2015, 01:37:54 AM
Well, It's a lead single song definitely. A good enough song that gets you hyped for the album, but you just hope that there's a lot of better songs in the album, which is most likely given what these guys are capable of.  The video was great though. You can see a variation of the Powerslave pyramid in the background at around 2:05 of the video.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 14, 2015, 01:59:19 AM
I'm a sucker for these kind of shorter, snappier songs from them. That's the Maiden I fell in love with as a teenager, songs like Aces High, The Trooper, and The Evil That Men Do. The longer and more experimental stuff from their reunion albums are nice and all, but not really what I prefer.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ErHaO on August 14, 2015, 04:02:22 AM
Love it. Classic IM and good to hear they still got it. And I'm sure we will get some "special" songs as well, especially since it is a double album and their last few records had some interesting epics.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: krands85 on August 14, 2015, 04:32:57 AM
 :lol That video  :coolio As always with me, it'll take a few listens before I can judge the song. I'm not too worried if I don't end up being too excited by it though, it's the longer pieces I'm more intrigued to hear.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on August 14, 2015, 04:33:58 AM
I'm blown away. That chorus is gonna stick in my head the entire day.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Polarbear on August 14, 2015, 04:53:40 AM
That is an awesome single! It has a pretty similar vibe with Wicker Man IMO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2015, 04:53:56 AM
LOVE IT  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 14, 2015, 05:27:43 AM
Im going to try my best to hold off and listen when I get home from work so my first experience of the new single from my favorite band can come from a happy place, not work.  If that makes any sense.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Art on August 14, 2015, 05:34:04 AM
Loved it! Both the song and the video.

This! And i agree with "best single since Wicker Man" too. Cool song!  :metal
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Post by: jammindude on August 14, 2015, 06:20:16 AM
Definitely has a AMOLAD vibe to it that I'm getting...and that's a GREAT thing.   And the chorus isn't just the title of the song repeated over and over!!!  YAY!!!!!

Love that video.  So many nuggetz that I'm going to have to watch it again.   
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 14, 2015, 06:36:17 AM
I found it decent, but maybe it'll need a couple more listens.  Great solo though.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on August 14, 2015, 06:44:23 AM
I'm not a huge IM fan, but that sounded like a decent single from them. I look forward to hearing more.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bl5150 on August 14, 2015, 06:46:03 AM
I'm not a huge IM fan, but that sounded like a decent single from them. I look forward to hearing more.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 14, 2015, 07:39:07 AM
By the way, that scream in the intro reminds me of Be Quick Or Be Dead.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Art on August 14, 2015, 07:47:37 AM
Yeah, that scream is pure 90´s Bruce.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 14, 2015, 09:01:05 AM
Yeah, that scream is pure 90´s Bruce.

Actually, I'd say it's pure Ian Gillan. But yeah, Bruce did do that sort of thing back in the 90's too.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on August 14, 2015, 09:38:05 AM
The song is pretty good on first listen.  Pretty much par for the course for Maiden at this point, a very catchy, upbeat single.  The thing I'm most ambivalent about is the vocal melodies, which are kind of bland and odd.  Usually Maiden's melodies are much stronger, though there are some exceptions (looking at you, Wildest Dreams).  But the band is on point and I agree that the intro is excellent.  Could be a decent show opener, If Eternity Should Fall will fill that role if history is any indication.

That pretty much sums up my initial reaction precisely.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Stadler on August 14, 2015, 10:12:21 AM
I'm scared now; generally, I succumb to these teasers, absolutely hate them, resolve to never pre-listen again, and then am blown away once the CD is released (Van Halen, DT x2, David Gilmour). 

I LOVED THIS.  I don't quite get the criticisms on the vocals in the chorus; I love the touch of echo, and thought it was strong and catchy.   Sometimes Maiden's melodies are TOO angular (Mother Russia comes to mind) but these are as cool as the other side of the pillow. 

The video was five minutes and three seconds of pure nuggets, on the Maiden level and the video game level.  LOVED THAT TOO!!!

Really pumped up now; I hope I'm not let down. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 14, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
Im going to try my best to hold off and listen when I get home from work so my first experience of the new single from my favorite band can come from a happy place, not work.  If that makes any sense.

Yeah, I'm also going to wait until the workday is over to listen, if I decide to listen at all.

Whether or not I'm going to listen to a single put out before an album's release is always a 50-50 thing. And I don't really know how I decide whether I'm going to or not, I just decide. I've never really regretted it either way. Haven't decided here yet.
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Post by: mrrct on August 14, 2015, 11:56:28 AM
I saw the video on Bla*******th a few moments ago.  The song was just okay, but the video was great.  I liked the references to Donkey Kong and Double Dragon, and I'm sure there were more that someone who hasn't been retired from gaming for years could identify.  I could never get my copy of Ed Hunter to work, so I don't know if any of the footage comes from that. 

The song at least wasn't as repetitive chorus-wise as most of them have been since Bruce and Adrian returned to the band, but it wasn't as melodic either.  I'll have to give it a few more listenings.
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Post by: Lowdz on August 14, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
Yup,  that was pretty good. Cool video. Not sure about the comments saying Bruce can't sing anymore.  I thought he sounded better than on FF.
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Post by: Stadler on August 14, 2015, 01:07:36 PM
I didn't mention it, and I haven't seen it mentioned, but I LOVED the riff in that song.   I'm not sure yet who's playing what, but Dave Murray may be the most underrated player in rock today if not rock history.  (Yes, I said that.)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cool Chris on August 14, 2015, 01:34:56 PM
I came in her to type that I loved the riff too. It might be the best part of the song for me. I thought the solos were good to great, and suited the song well enough. The vocal melodies were the only drawback of the song for me. But even so, they weren't bad, just the only noticeably underwhelming part.
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Post by: TAC on August 14, 2015, 01:42:50 PM
I came in her
You what?  :omg:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cool Chris on August 14, 2015, 02:00:18 PM
Well, she didn't propose any alternate locations.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 14, 2015, 02:40:02 PM
By the way, that scream in the intro reminds me of Be Quick Or Be Dead.
Yeah, but thankfully the vocals are much better. FOTD is Bruce's worst album with Maiden.


God, I love Iron Maiden!
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Post by: Nick on August 14, 2015, 02:44:46 PM
I despise judging sound off of youtube/mp3s, but the one thing I keep thinking about this release is that I don't like the sound of the drums. Not sure if it's lack of volume, lack of punch, or the overall mix, but I just don't really like how they sound.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 14, 2015, 02:46:25 PM
Really great song.

I have a feeling this is gonna be their best album.
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Post by: Nick on August 14, 2015, 02:47:31 PM
Oh, the other thing is, although I only thought this was a decent song, that's the best video I've seen in ages.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 14, 2015, 03:09:49 PM
I really love the more gritty vocal style Bruce seems to be using on this song. It suits him really well. :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 14, 2015, 03:14:10 PM
Oh, the other thing is, although I only thought this was a decent song, that's the best video I've seen in ages.

It really is. As A matter of fact, I'm gonna watch again.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 14, 2015, 03:54:11 PM
very good song

I enjoyed it
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Post by: wolfking on August 14, 2015, 04:09:43 PM
Sounds like again we are going to get a subpar sounding album, the production sounds muddy and flat yet again.

I don't know, this song just doesn't get me excited.  It's certainly a Maiden single though and through and I'm sure will grow, but for me it's just okay, certainly nothing brilliant at all.  And the solos are getting way too samey and less creative IMO.  Also, Bruce sounds really great except on the chorus, I feel he's straining a bit too much.

Not really what I expected, but it does have somewhat of a classic Maiden feel.

The video's good too, I like the Robocop vs Terminator part in there, use to love that game.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 14, 2015, 04:10:48 PM
I'm much more interested in hearing this 18 minute epic!
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 14, 2015, 07:09:48 PM
My feelings have pretty much all been covered here.

1: The video is fantastic
I could never get my copy of Ed Hunter to work, so I don't know if any of the footage comes from that.
Nah, there's nothing in there from that, but the whole time I was thinking "This is what EdHunter SHOULD'VE been" because then EdHunter would be awesome and not a steaming pile of EdShit. 

2: Nicko's snare is more boxey than ringy, which gives an 80s Maiden vibe to it I feel - I welcome it, although I can see how some people would perceive that as 'dead' sounding.

3: Bruce sounds amazing, and channelling some major Dio vibes.

4: This might be one of the only singles posr-reunion that isn't in the key of E, and doesn't rely on the typical VI-VII-I Maiden run (those numbers may be wrong as my theory is rubbish, but I'm thinking that E-C-D thing that is a Maiden cliché), that to me makes it sound fresh, and has me pumped way more than the lead singles of TFF.

I'm absolutely stoked with the song, and am now even more pumped for the album - WAY more than I ever was for TFF and I feel like this could be a huge step up for me personally. 
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Post by: TempusVox on August 15, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
I loved it!  :metal
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 15, 2015, 12:24:56 AM
So the band just released the song on Spotify and iTunes and the production sounds much better there than it does on the music video on YouTube. Dunno if it's perfect or anything, but it sounds a lot cleaner and Steve is actually audible/meaty.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2015, 09:08:05 AM
Watched it three times in a row when I got home from work last night.  I love it!  The song grew on me each listen and I dig it a lot.  I feel like the vocal melodies reminded me of El Durado, but this was a much better overall song.  The mix sounds like a bit like the last two albums, but maybe worse, hard to tell by youtube.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on August 15, 2015, 09:17:53 AM
Sounds like a rather typical Iron Maiden single, which is good but not very exciting.
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Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2015, 03:40:45 AM
So the band just released the song on Spotify and iTunes and the production sounds much better there than it does on the music video on YouTube. Dunno if it's perfect or anything, but it sounds a lot cleaner and Steve is actually audible/meaty.

This is good to read.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 16, 2015, 02:20:17 PM
So the band just released the song on Spotify and iTunes and the production sounds much better there than it does on the music video on YouTube. Dunno if it's perfect or anything, but it sounds a lot cleaner and Steve is actually audible/meaty.

This is good to read.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 23, 2015, 01:09:44 PM
Iron Maiden dedicate new song 'Tears of a Clown' to Robin Williams

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/iron_maiden_dedicate_new_song_tears_of_a_clown_to_robin_williams.html
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 23, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
That's pretty awesome! Have they ever dedicated a song for someone before?
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Post by: wolfking on August 23, 2015, 05:12:58 PM
Cool as, now lets hear it.  ;D

That's pretty awesome! Have they ever dedicated a song for someone before?

I don't think they have.
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Post by: aurorablind on August 24, 2015, 12:50:49 AM
I don`t think they have dedicated a song to a person directly, but they have songs inspired by specific persons.
Remember Tomorrow was about Paul Diannos grandfather.
Fear is the key was inspired by the death of Freddie Mercury.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 24, 2015, 02:28:11 AM
A look at the new Eddie, courtesy of the latest Metal Hammer Norway.

(https://maidenrevelations.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/bookeddie.jpg)
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Post by: Mladen on August 24, 2015, 02:34:56 AM
Wow, that's just fantastic.
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Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2015, 05:39:43 AM
Should have had that full body kind of shot on the cover IMO.  Looks more powerful.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 24, 2015, 07:42:06 AM
Looks cool!
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Post by: ErHaO on August 24, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
So far things are shaping up nicely. Double album,  a long epic, song titles sound good, a solid single with fitting production and even the art looks nice. Reviews sound great but yeah, early reviews tend to do that.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
So far things are shaping up nicely. Double album,  a long epic, song titles sound good, a solid single with fitting production and even the art looks nice. Reviews sound great but yeah, early reviews tend to do that.

Its not too far away for us all to form our own opinions.  There is definitely a lot of positive vibes around this release though so hopefully it keeps up with expectations!  :metal
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Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2015, 04:50:40 PM
I wish they'd release another song.  Can't even find samples, they are definitely keeping this locked up tight.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2015, 10:03:21 AM
Their new Boeing 747-400 Jumbo Jet (aka Queen of The Skies) for their world tour next year.

"Vocalist Bruce Dickinson is currently in training for his licence to fly the massive four engine jet, which is almost twice the size and over three times the weight of the Boeing 757 used on previous tours in 2008/9/11."

(https://www.ironmaiden.com/fefiles/images/JET-003B_1000.jpg)
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Post by: TAC on August 25, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
Here's the link to their page"
https://www.ironmaiden.com/iron-maiden-and-the-book-of-souls-go-jumbo-on-massive-2016-world-tour.html


So 3 US shows in February and then 10 more US/Canadian shows in early April.
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Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2015, 10:38:37 AM
Maiden is bad-ass.  Everyone else is a poseur compared to that.   
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 25, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Hopefully I get to see them on this tour.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2015, 01:47:45 PM
Hopefully I get to see them on this tour.

If I read that right, there's only 10 US/Canada shows. Like a lottery.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 25, 2015, 01:52:18 PM
If there's only 10 US/Canada shows, it will probably be the big areas (Toronto, LA, NYC, Chicago, etc.), and if that's the case and they do hit SoCal, I hope I can find some pretty cheap nosebleed tickets (too cheap to do GA).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2015, 02:43:33 PM
If there's only 10 US/Canada shows, it will probably be the big areas (Toronto, LA, NYC, Chicago, etc.), and if that's the case and they do hit SoCal, I hope I can find some pretty cheap nosebleed tickets (too cheap to do GA).

I think the best guesses are like you said and that would include LA IMO.  I am definitely hoping for a NYC date, but I am not too worried.
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Post by: 425 on August 25, 2015, 03:10:26 PM
pls charlotte
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Post by: ozzy554 on August 25, 2015, 03:51:15 PM
i hope one of the 13 dates is in Massachusetts
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Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2015, 03:56:41 PM
Hoping for an Australian tour too.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 25, 2015, 04:20:17 PM
Did I read right? Bruce is currently training to fly Boeing 747... Holy Cow! :lol

(https://www.ironmaiden.com/fefiles/images/edforceone_infographic.jpg)
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Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2015, 04:30:07 PM
Bruce is just a beast.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 25, 2015, 04:41:44 PM
Hoping for an Australian tour too.

Bro it literally says Aus and NZ first half of May,

YUSS!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2015, 04:53:09 PM
Hoping for an Australian tour too.

Bro it literally says Aus and NZ first half of May,

YUSS!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!!

Holy shit, you're right, I didn't even look at that!!!!!!!

(https://memecrunch.com/meme/2BKXP/yes-motherfucker/image.png)
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Post by: Mladen on August 26, 2015, 03:40:06 AM
Just when I thought they couldn't go any bigger. This band is seriously pushing some boundaries and thinking outside the box.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 05:14:26 AM
Can you believe it's less than two weeks until the Book of Souls?!  :eek
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 05:22:22 AM
9.5/10 from blabbermouth.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/cdreviews/the-book-of-souls/
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Post by: TAC on August 26, 2015, 06:16:28 AM
Can you believe it's less than two weeks until the Book of Souls?!  :eek
Just thinking this yesterday! Next Friday!!!
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Post by: Zydar on August 26, 2015, 07:09:44 AM
9.5/10 from blabbermouth.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/cdreviews/the-book-of-souls/

Nice!
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 08:25:20 AM
That sounds promising!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 26, 2015, 12:26:41 PM
Saw this on FB, someone was lucky enough to fly with captain Bruce:

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/11954614_10153742074021159_5907437306748683476_n.jpg?oh=48ca4d63c603f2bd34d015a58a4466b2&oe=5681A8AF)

Had no idea that the plane did even exist yet, let alone be flyable.  :metal

Edit: Wait a minute, is that really the cockpit of a 747? Looks a bit tiny?
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Post by: Stadler on August 26, 2015, 12:37:17 PM
One I don't believe that is a 747; I thought the cockpit was up above the nose cone.

Two, my love (yes, love) for Bruce knows no bounds, and so I respect his judgement, but surely it's not a good idea to fly a jumbo jet with the front window open...
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 26, 2015, 12:43:12 PM
Yea it does look tiny. Might be the old 757 repainted. The guy said they were on a studio tour in Paris which included the flight with Bruce, I think i've heard about that before.
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Post by: devieira73 on August 26, 2015, 12:48:24 PM
A track by track review: https://www.examiner.com/review/iron-maiden-returns-with-the-book-of-souls  :metal

It's been five long years since metal giants Iron Maiden have graced us with new music. The generally well received The Final Frontier came out in 2010 and saw Maiden pick up their first Grammy award. Since their return to dominance in 2000 with the Brave New World album, the band has seen their popularity soar to unprecedented heights in the United States. They've always been massive around the world, but for whatever reason, they struggled to break through to the mainstream in America. That is no longer the case, as each of their post-2000 records have seen them grow their base here as well as the rest of the world. After what has seemed like an eternity, The Book of Souls is complete and I've been fortunate enough to hear it prior to it's September 4th release date.

IronMaiden.com
The album has many vintage Maiden moments, but also shows that the band continues to grow. That's a trend that has really been going on since The X Factor. Rather than solely be a metal band, they've pushed forward to new heights and have reached into progressive rock elements for the past twenty years. This has allowed the band to remain relevant and remain the most dominant live metal outfit in the world. Let's dive into this latest gem, which is sure to grow into another must have for their rabid fan base.
Iron Maiden - The Book of Souls
1. If Eternity Should Fail
The album starts off triumphantly, almost as if to announce their return proudly. If you had doubts about whether Bruce Dickinson's voice has held up, those doubts are quickly erased during the intro. The classic Maiden gallop finally kicks in and instantly the song becomes pure Iron Maiden. If I had one complaint about this album's predecessor, it's that there wasn't enough of that iconic Iron Maiden aggression. Midway through the song, you get a heavy dose of Steve Harris and company in an instrumental piece that is reminiscent of the Killers era. This, however, has something that that era did not have: Bruce Dickinson, ladies and gentlemen.
2. Speed of Light
This is the only single so far to be released from the album. At first listen, like I have for the past four Maiden records, I thought the single was kind of "meh". Also, like I have for the past four albums, that song has began to grow on me. The track kicks off with one of Bruce's well known screams before jumping into a song that feels like it could have been included on 2010's The Final Frontier album. It has the same vibe as El Doradobut let's Dickinson show off his pipes on the chorus, similar to the way he did on The Talisman. The thing that it has most going for it, though, is that guitar hook. I've been humming it for the past two weeks.
3. The Great Unknown
The song starts out with the kind of slow intro that we've become accustomed to for the past twenty years. The guitars really add a nice layer of crunch to it during the verses before making way for another soaring Dickinson led chorus. The three headed monster on guitar of Dave Murray, Adrian Smith, and Janick Gers ferociously own this song before pulling off for the same outro that started the song. This staple of modern Maiden works flawlessly on this track.
4. The Red and the Black
This song has a real neat intro before kicking into the first true epic of the record. The track has a verySomewhere in Time era meets The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg vibe going on. Maybe Maiden fanatics wouldn't think that would work, but it does. It doesn't stay there, either. The song grows and grows, weaving through time changes and master musicianship as it builds to its peak. Most importantly, though, this song is complete with many of the famous Iron Maiden "whoa-oh-whoa" chorus types that will undoubtedly make for a fantastic live experience. Now, will they be willing to play this 13+ minute behemoth live? We will have to wait and see!
5. When the River Runs Deep
The fifth track on the record doesn't waste any time. There is no slow intro, actually quite the opposite. This song punches you right out of the gate and quite possibly could be another single from the album. The tempo that it is played at reminds you of tracks from their self titled debut album, but the music itself sounds very modern and relevant. This song should/could get serious airplay on radio if it's released as a single.
6. The Book of Souls
The album's title track begins with an acoustic intro, which was unheard of until 2003's Dance of Deathalbum. When the song really kicks in, you immediately become aware of the underrated drumming of Nicko McBrain. He can tend to get overshadowed by the Steve Harris gallop and the three headed guitar attack, let alone the soaring vocals of Dickinson. Is this Where Eagles Dare? No, it's not, but Nicko's fat drum beat is very present and keeps this song together. Really, you could say that about most of their songs, we just tend to take it for granted and don't always appreciate it like we ought to. Then, out of nowhere, the song goes full steam ahead with Powerslave era ferociousness. This could be another option for the band to perform live. It's long, but aren't they all, really? For a long time, Maiden fanatics have been calling for a return of that Maiden aggression. Well, here you go!
7. Death or Glory
There are portions of this record, musically, that show the band at their most Paul Di'Anno era tempo since Bruce joined the band. With Dickinson's vocals soaring behind this hard hitting music, it really makes you wonder how much better those first two records could have been. That's not a shot at Di'Anno, but Bruce once again shows why he is simply the best in the business. There is no other metal vocalist that does what he does, quite like he does it. This song could also have been the lead single to the record. In recent years, with the band's progressive push, there have been a lot of fans calling for some shorter, heavy hitting tracks to balance out the epics. This song does that and could quite easily wind up as one of those modern "classics".
8. Shadows of the Valley
This song begins with a very Wasted Years type of introduction. The lyrics even include a nod to anotherSomewhere in Time track. Like the classic era Maiden songs do, this one has you bopping your head and pumping your fists in the air. Perhaps, you're even playing air guitar or air drums. If you're expecting this album to drop off, it isn't going to happen. The guitarists trade solos before another verse and ending with an even better "oh-oh-oh" piece than on The Red and the Black. Combine that with it's much shorter time, that perhaps gives this one an advantage to being played live.
9. Tears of a Clown
A few days ago, we learned that this song was a tribute to the late Robin Williams. While I don't understand why or how that situation came to be, this song nobly attempts to take you into that mindset. Not necessarily the mindset of taking your life, but the mindset of being alone while among a crowd. As fitting as the tribute to him is, the most important thing is the song is a fantastic piece of musicianship. You can feel the heart that was put into this one, especially. This could be yet another live option for the Book of Souls World Tour.
10. The Man of Sorrows
Similar to the first track, this song begins with Bruce just showing off his God given skills. It builds into one of those songs that fits their post-reunion albums. It follows a tried and true formula, changes time, and features multiple guitar solos. If that doesn't say Iron Maiden, I'm not sure what does.
11. Empire of the Clouds
Ever since this record was announced, I've been impatiently waiting to hear this 18 minute closer to the album. It's been labeled as a Bruce Dickinson masterpiece. Let me tell you, it DOESN'T disappoint. The first few minutes of the song are a nice melody on the piano, played by Bruce! Who knew?!?! After a military march type drum intro, the vocals come in, still over top of his piano piece. This album shows Maiden at a place that they've not been before. This is so important for a band like them, to still make inspired and relevant music. Like they've done time and time again (Rime of the Ancient Mariner; When the Wild Wind Blows; Alexander the Great; etc.) the band tells a story. As the listener, you'd think that 18 minutes would be overkill and that you'd lose interest in the "story". Well, I'm here to tell you that you don't. The band weaves in between pieces of music that make up this song in a way that has you thinking about everything except how long the track is. Like the record as a whole, this track captures the entire band as one cohesive unit that's on the same page. There have been moments on the more recent albums, that don't leave you with that "one unit" vibe. It's great to see that the six piece truly saved the best for last. Masterpiece might be an understatement.
Support real music, America, and pick up a copy of The Book of Souls on September 4th across the United States.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 01:58:03 PM
These reviews are salavating
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Post by: Stadler on August 26, 2015, 02:34:21 PM
I can't friggin' wait.   I've sort of not bothered to see them live since... what was the shed tour they did with Dio a couple years back?  Not for any specific reason, other than I've seen them live a bazillion times, and I'm more interested in checking off boxes of bands I haven't seen live yet first. 

But I may see this one.  My daughter is big into Egypt and Egyptian art, and was absolutely fascinated by the Live After Death and Somewhere In Time sets, so I may be able to talk her into this one. 
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Post by: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 02:38:34 PM
I am planning on rejoining the fan club to get the pit tickets up close, but that depends on when they announce the tour and where they play (assuming they come to the New York City area).  I've done this everytime I've seen them and always got within the first few rows of the general admission pit up close, maybe even win the first to the barrier contest.... I have won the heaven can wait contest before.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 26, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
I'm also joining the fan club for that very reason. This will be my first time seeing them and I want to be as close as I can  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 04:02:57 PM
These reviews are salavating

Forget that, they're making my mouth water!

lol
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 26, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
This release will not disappoint!!
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Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 04:57:51 PM
This release will not disappoint!!

Seems that way.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 04:58:40 PM
not counting me chickens tho.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

Count 'em up Sneak. Count 'em up!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 07:43:23 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

It's Maiden bro, stress less.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 26, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

It's Maiden bro, stress less.

well said
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 08:02:14 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

It's Maiden bro, stress less.

well said

Ya gotta go into this with a level head to avoid building it up to levels it could never achieve!!! 

But for real I'm pumping on all cylinders and pumping harder about the tour down here next year.  You could say I'm... pumping iron. 
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Post by: bl5150 on August 26, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
I'd rather pump.........never mind.
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Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 08:08:48 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

It's Maiden bro, stress less.

well said

Ya gotta go into this with a level head to avoid building it up to levels it could never achieve!!! 


even though I think you may be being a little too cautious, I do totally agree with this.  Sometimes your fav albums comes from ones you had no expectations for.  With something like this though, I know it's not gonna live up to what I think just cause of the caliber of the band.  Over time though it will be a monster I'm sure.  TFF was a let down for me at first, but grew into an amazing album that I like to return to often.

I'd rather pump.........never mind.

Don't make me get that Kip Winger pic out again.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 26, 2015, 08:18:02 PM
I just have too much confidence in Maiden to not disappoint.

This epic track has me extremely interested.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 08:21:03 PM
Damn I wish they would release another song damn it!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 26, 2015, 08:33:05 PM
I can wait the week until its release.  Besides the first single, it will be cool to listen to the whole thing without previewing anything.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
even though I think you may be being a little too cautious, I do totally agree with this.  Sometimes your fav albums comes from ones you had no expectations for.  With something like this though, I know it's not gonna live up to what I think just cause of the caliber of the band.  Over time though it will be a monster I'm sure.  TFF was a let down for me at first, but grew into an amazing album that I like to return to often.

The difference for me is TFF never really grew on me, and I pretty much consider it one of their weakest.  I've got a shit ton of faith in this new one, and I'm hoping it doesnt go down the same way tff did, which is what i'm weary of.

The comparison to BNW in the blabbermouth review gave me great hope.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 09:13:54 PM
even though I think you may be being a little too cautious, I do totally agree with this.  Sometimes your fav albums comes from ones you had no expectations for.  With something like this though, I know it's not gonna live up to what I think just cause of the caliber of the band.  Over time though it will be a monster I'm sure.  TFF was a let down for me at first, but grew into an amazing album that I like to return to often.

The difference for me is TFF never really grew on me, and I pretty much consider it one of their weakest.  I've got a shit ton of faith in this new one, and I'm hoping it doesnt go down the same way tff did, which is what i'm weary of.

The comparison to BNW in the blabbermouth review gave me great hope.

That's fair enough then.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: countoftuscany42 on August 26, 2015, 09:20:43 PM
has anyone preordered through Maiden's site?  just curious if the order's specify if the album will come by release day
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 26, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
You know, I don't know. I just preordered through FYE to save on shipping (I'm in the US and as I recall all the Maiden shop stuff comes from England). And I don't really know when I'll have it by. But to me it's not 100% essential that I have it on release day.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 27, 2015, 12:13:12 AM
For me, I'm going to buy it at Best Buy, in person, on release day.  The thing is.  I'm looking at the Best Buy site right now and there are two versions.  One regular version that's $15.99, which seems reasonable for a double disc, and one deluxe edition for $20.99.  I wonder what the deluxe edition will include?
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 27, 2015, 01:15:34 AM
probably a case made of tin and a poster inside??
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Post by: Kwyjibo on August 27, 2015, 01:24:34 AM
According to amazon it looks like this:

(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lcKFsdslL.jpg)

So there's obviously a book included, I wonder what's in it, or is it just the booklet?
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 27, 2015, 01:27:38 AM
Goddamn, that looks sweet! And only twenty bucks?! F... me for preordering so soon!  >:(
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:34:55 AM
I pre-ordered the deluxe version on Amazon.
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Post by: TAC on August 27, 2015, 05:38:31 AM
I pre-ordered the deluxe version on Amazon.

That's the $34.99 one right?

I've been looking to preorder the album on Amazon. They now finally list the standard CD but that is also listed at like $35. WTF?
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Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:45:33 AM
I pre-ordered the deluxe version on Amazon.

That's the $34.99 one right?

I've been looking to preorder the album on Amazon. They now finally list the standard CD but that is also listed at like $35. WTF?

This prompted me to actually check since I pre-ordered mine some time ago.  It's weird cause I see my order for it:

Quote
The Book Of Souls [2 CD][Deluxe Edition]
Iron Maiden
Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
$19.98

But when I click on it, it shows the item is unavailable now.  Im guessing it's just unavailable at that price?  I might of lucked out.  I see the price you are seeing of 35$ which I would not pay for the standard CD, thats ridiculous.
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Post by: wolfking on August 27, 2015, 07:27:47 PM
I'll pick up that deluxe version.  I'll probably end up picking up both though.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 27, 2015, 07:47:11 PM
I'll pick up that deluxe version.  I'll probably end up picking up both though.

Yeah me too
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 28, 2015, 05:45:01 AM
Quote from: Iron Maiden
That's a 737 actually. It isn't 'Ed Force One', it's a plane we chartered for the trip.

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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 06:11:38 AM
I pre-ordered the deluxe edition on FYE, where, unlike on Amazon, it is actually listed for a price that somewhat resembles what it's likely to cost.
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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 11:14:11 AM
God I hate it when this happens. Waiting for the legit release. Can we institute a policy on spoilers in this thread, one way or another?
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Post by: Anguyen92 on August 28, 2015, 11:48:08 AM
God I hate it when this happens. Waiting for the legit release. Can we institute a policy on spoilers in this thread, one way or another?

I concur.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2015, 12:17:01 PM
Agreed on the spoilers, I will probably check it out since I can use some new music before my travels this weekend, but I won't talk about it if I listen and I think we should not discuss spoilers or at least use the small font.
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Post by: Mladen on August 28, 2015, 02:58:45 PM
I'm shocked at how much I'm loving this on the first listen.
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Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 03:51:47 PM
I have no problems with spoilers in here, I love reading peoples reactions and makes me more excited.

Guys, please us your thoughts when you can please.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2015, 04:41:07 PM
I'm shocked at how much I'm loving this on the first listen.

Why are you shocked?  This is expected  :biggrin:
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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
Eh, if people are going to be talking about the leak I'm out. I don't like to ruin everyone's fun but I can't help making the parting remark that I really, really hate that this happens. I mean the thing will be out in a week anyway, why even bother? Whatever.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 05:01:53 PM
Eh, if people are going to be talking about the leak I'm out. I don't like to ruin everyone's fun but I can't help making the parting remark that I really, really hate that this happens. I mean the thing will be out in a week anyway, why even bother? Whatever.

Some people just can't resist.  I'll wait to the release but don't mind people taling about it.  A seperate thread for the album maybe then they can just get merged here once it's out?
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Post by: TAC on August 28, 2015, 05:49:32 PM
Yeah, but it's pretty much against forum rules I believe to even discuss leaked material, spoiler alert or not.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 28, 2015, 05:52:59 PM
Yea can't we just wait? It's out in a week anyway.
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Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Tim's gonna tell on you guys, look out.
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Post by: TAC on August 28, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
Tim's gonna tell on you guys, look out.

 :lol

Except this is the Forum Administrator's first NEW Maiden album since becoming a fan. I think he's paying attention.
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Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 06:01:47 PM
That's a pretty valid point actually haha.
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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
I think technically you're allowed to discuss leaked material of bands other than DT? Which is kind of weird to apply the standard differently, though I get why it's there. But often in these threads some kind of determination is made about whether the leaked album will be discussed.
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Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 06:03:18 PM
I think you're right, in regards to DT it's much more strict than other bands. 
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 28, 2015, 07:01:32 PM
Lets be realistic here.  We all know the album will kick ass and that we will all love it.  End of story.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on August 28, 2015, 07:34:18 PM
Lets be realistic here.  We all know the album will kick ass and that we will all love it.  End of story.

That is a pretty fair point to make.

I mean if Iron Maiden, personally, gave the green light to stream it through like iTunes and stuff, should we then discuss it without any problems?
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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 07:39:00 PM
Yes. Because by then it has been officially released by the band.

I don't want to get into the piracy thing here, but you absolutely must admit that if you're listening to it right now, you are listening to it against the band's and label's will. Many of us are unwilling to do that, and that's why I think it's best to wait until the thing is actually released legally.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 28, 2015, 07:42:53 PM
I can wait 6 more days till I get the cd, no prob
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 29, 2015, 02:26:15 AM
I dont wanna ruin anything for anyone so.

But I personally don't see the issue with dloading if you've paid for the pre-order. 

I'm so fucking pumped for the shows and incredibly proud of what they've achieved with this... I just... Fuck.
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Post by: gazinwales on August 29, 2015, 04:09:26 AM
Besides the moral and legalities of listening to the leak.
If you are then you are shortchanging yourself at the very least with the poor quality compressed crappy 192kps mp3.
Your not hearing everything that you will get with the actual CD.
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Post by: ErHaO on August 29, 2015, 04:39:44 AM
I will be honest, I am probably going to listen to the leak and I did so many times for other albums before. Still, I can see the moral issues here (just like with downloading in general) and respect your opinions on this matter.

And, well, since there is so much (great) new material from many of my favourite bands, I may just be able to sit this one out for once, heh. I am also thankful that I can listen to most of those legally trough spotify now. I will buy Maiden on vinyl probably, though that book version looks pretty neat.
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 29, 2015, 08:38:06 AM
So Bruce had cancer and they still were able to get a new album in half a decade... What is Metallicas and Tools excuse?
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Post by: Dream Team on August 29, 2015, 12:13:15 PM
The return to faster tempos is certainly good news, provided it proves to be true.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 30, 2015, 11:27:08 AM
Quote
Asked by a fan if "The Book Of Souls" will turn out to IRON MAIDEN's final full-length release, Dickinson responded: "I really hope that this is not the last album. I've had way too much fun making this one. I'm gonna have way too much fun and enjoy the next tour for a variety of reasons. I'm happily chatting to you and running around and leaping around or flying airplanes. And the next stop is gonna be a tour and some singing."
Nice to hear that they're in good spirit, not that I doubted that but it's nice to hear nevertheless.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2015, 11:57:46 AM
Sooo.....after years of avoiding Maiden, I've finally gave em a listen and am officially a fan! Ran out and bought the first five albums and I'm playing them on repeat. Looking to grab Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son real soon. Probably gonna grab the new one this week when it hits shelves.

I know, I'm a moron for not getting into them sooner. This I realize.
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 12:01:54 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2015, 12:13:30 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.

Understood. My buddy who got me into them warned me to stay away from No Prayer and both Blaze albums, which he said were absolute shit.

Right now, I'm overwhelmed by the size of their catalog cuz I'm trying to take everything in all at once, while also getting ready for Souls to drop.
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Post by: Zydar on August 30, 2015, 12:18:36 PM
Looking to grab Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son real soon.

Those are my two favourites of them all. Seventh Son as #1 and Somewhere as #2.

And congratulations for getting into them, you're in for a ride.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 30, 2015, 12:21:40 PM
Looking to grab Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son real soon.

Those are my two favourites of them all. Seventh Son as #1 and Somewhere as #2.

And congratulations for getting into them, you're in for a ride.

my two favorites as well!
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2015, 12:24:33 PM
Looking to grab Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son real soon.

Those are my two favourites of them all. Seventh Son as #1 and Somewhere as #2.

And congratulations for getting into them, you're in for a ride.

I'll keep that in mind :tup

And thank you!!
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 12:36:29 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.

Understood. My buddy who got me into them warned me to stay away from No Prayer and both Blaze albums, which he said were absolute shit.

Right now, I'm overwhelmed by the size of their catalog cuz I'm trying to take everything in all at once, while also getting ready for Souls to drop.

Well, the 2nd one with Blaze (Virtual XI) is almost completely garbage, and (IMO and most others) is one of, if not the worst IM album of all time.    However, I think you will find around these parts that his first effort (The X Factor) is a lost gem.   Sorely underrated and overlooked.   Dark, moody...and a good fit for Blaze's vocals.    And the opening track The Sign of the Cross is one of the greatest IM songs of all time....and Blaze just owns it.    I personally think he does it even better than Bruce.  (I was unimpressed by his live version, which I believe is on the Rio live album)
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2015, 12:55:25 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.

Understood. My buddy who got me into them warned me to stay away from No Prayer and both Blaze albums, which he said were absolute shit.

Right now, I'm overwhelmed by the size of their catalog cuz I'm trying to take everything in all at once, while also getting ready for Souls to drop.

Well, the 2nd one with Blaze (Virtual XI) is almost completely garbage, and (IMO and most others) is one of, if not the worst IM album of all time.    However, I think you will find around these parts that his first effort (The X Factor) is a lost gem.   Sorely underrated and overlooked.   Dark, moody...and a good fit for Blaze's vocals.    And the opening track The Sign of the Cross is one of the greatest IM songs of all time....and Blaze just owns it.    I personally think he does it even better than Bruce.  (I was unimpressed by his live version, which I believe is on the Rio live album)

It's interesting to hear everyone's take on each album.
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Post by: 425 on August 30, 2015, 12:56:51 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.

Understood. My buddy who got me into them warned me to stay away from No Prayer and both Blaze albums, which he said were absolute shit.

Right now, I'm overwhelmed by the size of their catalog cuz I'm trying to take everything in all at once, while also getting ready for Souls to drop.

Both Blaze albums are good. Especially The X Factor, but both are better than No Prayer and especially Fear of the Dark, which is their worst.

I mean, you should get all 16. But you should start with all the 80s and all the 21st century material, then get TXF, then get the other three 90s albums.
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Post by: Scorpion on August 30, 2015, 01:05:46 PM
90s albums rankings!

1. TXF
2. NPftD
3. VXI
4. FotD
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 01:26:49 PM
90s albums rankings!

1. TXF
2. NPftD
3. VXI
4. FotD

For me:

1. TXF
2. FotD
3. NPftD













4. VXI
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Post by: TAC on August 30, 2015, 01:36:16 PM
Here is how I break down the four 90's albums:

No Prayer:
What a disappointment. Really their weakest album. It came after the longest delay between albums (at the time). It just wasn't worth the wait. I will say that this was one of my favorite Maiden tours ever. Jannick was fantastic and really seemed to pull Dave out of his shell.
And the No Prayer tunes they played translated so much better live.

Fear:
Finally the real Maiden returns. Their first album in the "CD" age, caused them to make it longer than it really should be. Definitely some B-Side material on here, but I maintain that this 12 song album is easily 8 songs deep.

The biggest issue with both of these albums, especially Fear, is that these are Bruce's worst with the band.

TXF:
I know some people think this is great, and some think it's terrible. But I think this had the makings to be a complete masterpiece. But it feels like a demo, both in production and some of the songs feel like they are not completely worked out. You also realized at this point how much balance Bruce (and Adrian for that matter) really gave the band, as this feels like a Steve Harris solo album. There are some masterful moments, and some tracks are put together fine, but I can't help but feel this is a just miss. A J- Dude says, Sign Of The Cross FTW!!

VIX:
Other than The TAATG, I really like VIX. The production isn't great, but it has a more comfortable Maiden feel than TXF. If they would ever do another Blaze era track with Bruce, I wish they'd do The Educated Fool.
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Post by: 425 on August 30, 2015, 02:21:02 PM
but I maintain that this 12 song album is easily 8 songs deep.

At most. Weekend Warrior is awful, The Apparition and Chains of Misery are mediocre, and I don't really like Childhood's End either. I would probably rate those as my four least favorite IM songs, and they're all on this album. Fear Is the Key is like half of a good song. From Here to Eternity is alright but it's too silly, it has the same problem that they had on NPFTD with Hooks and Daughter.

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. From Here to Eternity
3. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
4. Wasting Love
5. The Fugitive
6. Judas Be My Guide
7. Fear of the Dark

This, maybe with Fear Is the Key in there as well, would probably beat out NPFTD for me. But with all the other weak material on there, this is the weakest album in my book. That is, the best material on FOTD absolutely beats the best material on NPFTD, but NPFTD is a vastly superior experience for me as an album.
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Post by: Zantera on August 30, 2015, 02:22:16 PM
TXF
FotD
NPFtD
VXI
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Post by: TAC on August 30, 2015, 02:42:52 PM
Take out From Here To Eternity and add Childhood's End and Fear Is The Key and those would be my 8. But we're pretty close nonetheless. But I think you are highly underrating Childhood's End.
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Post by: Mladen on August 30, 2015, 03:19:37 PM
The X Factor - a fantastic album
Virtual XI - a very, very good album
No prayer for the dying - extremely average
Fear of the dark - not terrible, but very weak
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Post by: 425 on August 30, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Take out From Here To Eternity and add Childhood's End and Fear Is The Key and those would be my 8. But we're pretty close nonetheless. But I think you are highly underrating Childhood's End.

Eh, I get why others like Childhood's End, but it isn't that great and has some aspects that are annoying to me.
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Post by: Outcrier on August 30, 2015, 03:41:28 PM
X Factor
Virtual XI
Fear of the Dark
No Prayer for the Dying

When i used to listen to Maiden, i liked both Bailey albums. I don't think they were that bad as people say.
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Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2015, 04:51:29 PM
TXF
FOTD
VX1
NPFTD

The last 2 could switch though.  All 4 are great albums IMO.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 30, 2015, 06:52:21 PM
Fear of the Dark
X Factor
No Prayer for the Dying
Virtual XI

Like Wolf said, all 4 are great.  Virtual XI would be the bands weakest overall, but Futureal is fantastic.
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 08:39:31 PM
I haven't heard No Prayer in over a decade...I'm giving it a fresh listen tonight and hoping time has been kinder to it.

I have always loved Tailgunner...   :metal
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 08:44:13 PM
.....and I have always thought Holy Smoke was just silly. 
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Post by: Cool Chris on August 30, 2015, 08:53:49 PM
Did we ever figure out what was in the book that comes with the special edition? And is that the only difference from the standard CD?
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Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2015, 10:47:18 PM
No, I haven't seen anymore info on the book.  I think that's the only difference, I don't think there's any bonuses.

Remember the special edition of TFF?  How shitty was that!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 31, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
1. X Factor
Man on the edge, Sign of the Cross, Lord of the flies are great songs. Overall a great album.
2. FotD
Look despite FotD has some of the worst filler tracks in IM history I still love the artwork and some of the tracks are IM classics. Fear of the Dark, Afraid to shoot strangers, Wasting Love, Be quick or be dead are great songs.
3. Virtual XI
Pretty meh album but Futureal is awesome and so is The Clansman, both of does songs works even better with Bruce.
4. NPftD
No songs grabs my attention on NOftD other than Tailgunner but not in a good way, god I hate that song  :lol. Holy Smoke is fun and so is the video. The artwork is great though.

I also wanna give the single Virus some attention, pretty cool song and My Generation and Doctor Doctor are great covers.

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Post by: aurorablind on August 31, 2015, 01:40:11 AM
1. The X Factor
The first Maiden-album I bought. It`s definitely not perfect, but there`s a lot of good stuff here.
Sign of the cross, Man on the Edge, The Unbeliever and Fortunes of War are my favorites.
The album suffers from a really bad production though. The drums sound great, but the guitars sound really thin. Blaze is out of tune sometimes.
7/10

2. Fear of the Dark
This album is really hit or miss for me. About half of the album is good, the rest is pretty unlistenable.
Be quick or be dead, Afraid to shoot strangers, Judas be my guide, Wasting love and Fear of the dark are fantastic songs IMO. Afraid to shoot strangers is defenitely a top 10 song for me, and Fear of the dark is a classic.
The Apparition may be one of the worst they ever made.
I like the raw production, but the vocals are way to raspy at times.
6/10

3. Virtual XI
Never really liked this album. The production is terrible and Nickos uninspired drumming really bugs me.
Apart from The Clansman and Futureal I really can`t sit through an entire song. There are definitely some good ideas here and there, but the arrangements are really bad (The Angel and the Gambler - I see you!)
4/10

4. No Prayer for the Dying
The only Maiden-album that doesen`t contain a single song that I actually really like.
Holy Smoke and Bring your Daughter are fun, rocking songs, but after the epicness of Seventh Son they sound pretty ridiculous.
Mother Russia and the title track are OK, but not really that memorable.
2/10
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Post by: Zydar on August 31, 2015, 02:09:04 AM
1. Fear Of The Dark
Some good songs here (the title track, Afraid To Shoot Strangers, Be Quick or Be Dead, Wasting Love, and the criminally underrated Judas Be My Guide), but also some horrible ones (Weekend Warrior, The Apparition). Don't like Bruce's raspy voice either.

2. No Prayer For The Dying
A bit weaker than Fear, but it has some good ones (the title track, Tailgunner, The Assassin, Hooks in You, and Mother Russia).

3. The X Factor
I know a lot of you love this one, but it's too dark and uncharacteristic of the Maiden I love. Some decent ones here (Sign of The Cross, Lord Of The Flies, Man On The Edge, and Judgement Of Heaven) but overall it's near the bottom of my album ranking.

4. Virtual XI
Futureal was my introduction to Maiden back in 1998, but that's the only good one here, The Educated Fool could pass through also. They went back a little to the "Maiden sound" with this album, but the weak songs doesn't help. And Blaze is a good singer, just not the right one for Maiden IMHO.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on August 31, 2015, 02:36:17 AM
My ranking is like Zydar's

1. Fear Of The Dark (some great tunes, some filler material -> ditch some of those and the album would be better)
2. No Prayer For The Dying (a few good tunes, the rest is very meh)
3. The X Factor (most songs are average, the production is shit and Blaze's voice just doesn't work with Maiden imo)
4. Virtual XI (just no)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 31, 2015, 04:05:05 AM
1. X-Factor
2. Fear of the dark
3. No Prayer for the dying
4. Virtual XI.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 31, 2015, 05:02:04 AM
Futureal with Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pQ7508aRBg)
The Clansman with Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1rUSuYGWa0) Lol Nickos dance

I think they grow live and especially with Bruce.

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Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 05:38:55 AM
I also wanna give the single Virus some attention, pretty cool song and My Generation and Doctor Doctor are great covers.

Don't forget Justice of the Peace, Judgement Day and I Live My Way, seriously amazing b-sides.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 07:29:01 AM
I also wanna give the single Virus some attention, pretty cool song and My Generation and Doctor Doctor are great covers.

Don't forget Justice of the Peace, Judgement Day and I Live My Way, seriously amazing b-sides.

Agreed.  Pretty amazing that they had so much awesome material for TXF that they had THOSE songs as b-sides.  They're absolute bangers.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 31, 2015, 07:59:52 AM
 :tup :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2015, 08:51:49 AM
+1 on the Blaze bsides, good stuff there
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2015, 08:52:44 AM
ALL their b-sides are stellar, even the jokey ones (though Total Eclipse is probably my favorite Maiden song of all time). 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 12:45:39 PM
Can we institute a policy on spoilers in this thread, one way or another?

I don't really understand requests like this.  I mean, we KNOW the album is out in a few days.  Therefore, it is CERTAIN that there will be spoilers in the thread no matter what.  Aside from the brief detour into ranking the '90s albums, talk of the new album has dominated the thread, as should reasonably be expected.  If you don't want to risk seeing a spoiler, stay out of the thread.  Isn't it just that simple?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 01:02:31 PM
But that's just it. I want to be involved in the discussion of the 90s albums, but I don't want to see "The Red and the Black is great, can you believe the part where Bruce _________?"

This is not at all without precedent. There was a policy decision made about the Opeth thread when PC leaked.

I'm not demanding that people stop talking about the leak, I'm just asking if there can be a decision made. And I'm not even asking you to make an executive decision, I'm asking either the OP, the honorary OP, or the regular posters as a whole to decide, to either explicitly say yes or no.

And I do think one of the dumb things about leaks is that they force those of us who want to respect legal releases and the band's right to control the release of their material to have to try to dodge spoilers about an album that isn't even out yet. That has not even been put out into the world.






Personally, I think discussion of all leaks should be banned on the forum, since the dual standard of "it's not okay when it's DT but it is okay with other bands" is confusing and unnecessary, but I respect that it's not a cut and dry decision and that it's not my call to make.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 01:55:57 PM
Amazon finally listed the Deluxe package at $18.99. Preordered yesterday. Still, I expect that price to come down a bit.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 01:56:46 PM
Okay, I see where you are coming from.  Yeah, we can make a separate thread.  I will do that.

Let me also elaborate a bit on the "dual standard" issue just a bit.  Personally, I agree that discussions of leaks in general should be banned from the forum.  But we don't enforce it as much with other bands simply because it is really difficult to do just as a practical matter.  We don't police every thread, and the mod staff doesn't follow every band that gets discussed here, so even having a working knowledge of when someone is truly discussing an illegal leak vs. discussing information that is legitimately in the public domain is difficult.  So for that reason, we are considerably more lenient when it comes to bands other than DT.  It used to be that if it was blatantly obvious that someone was discussing a leak, we would jump in and warn.  We still do that.  But granted that enforcement has become more lax.

With DT, it is a different story.  This is a site specifically dedicated to the band and run by fans that can tell when discussion is crossing the line.  And when it comes to more obscure material and making the call about whether discussion is off limits, we have resources we can consult that can give us an answer.

Hopefully, that helps. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 01:58:51 PM
Okay, I see where you are coming from.  Yeah, we can make a separate thread.  I will do that.


 :metal
Title: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 02:00:59 PM
All discussion related to the new album goes here so people can discuss other aspects of Maiden in the other thread without risking spoilers.  Feel free to re-post interviews, reviews, the video, etc. 

PLEASE DO NOT post leaks or links to information or content that was not legally obtained.

This thread will be merged with the other one a week or two after release.  (...unless it is too long, in which case we may just let this become the official Iron Maiden thread going forward)

EDIT:  And TAC gets honorary "first post!" since he was going to start this thread, but I didn't see his post in time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 02:19:22 PM
Okay, I see where you are coming from.  Yeah, we can make a separate thread.  I will do that.

Thank you! It's much appreciated.

...

Hopefully, that helps. 

Yeah, that makes sense. I understand how sometimes it can be difficult to parse whether certain material is legal or illegal. Personally, I think that in some cases, like this one, it's pretty clear, but I guess there could be something where someone knows about a certain detail from listening to a leak that also might have been published in an authorized review or something. I hadn't really thought about it from an enforcement standpoint before, I guess, though I already knew the explanation that DT should be more strictly enforced because the forum is affiliated with the band.

Out of curiosity, if someone made a post that outright said "This album by a non-DT band has been leaked without the authorization of the band, I have listened to the leak, and here's a description of one of the songs," and the post was reported, would the mods remove the post and/or warn the poster, or would it be left to stand?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
Out of curiosity, if someone made a post that outright said "This album by a non-DT band has been leaked without the authorization of the band, I have listened to the leak, and here's a description of one of the songs," and the post was reported, would the mods remove the post and/or warn the poster, or would it be left to stand?

My policy and the policy we originally had was that if such a thing were posted, it would be removed and a warning would be issued.  I hate to say it, but again, since we have kind of become more lax in that area over time, I cannot say that all mods would necessarily enforce it the same way.  But I think we should enforce it, and that discussion will be had now that you have pretty much reminded me of the issue. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 03:22:02 PM
Alright, good to know! Thanks.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 03:22:37 PM
Yeah!!!!! :metal


Anyway, similar to AMOLAD, I think this is going to take a few listens to sink in. Tons to love here though. Very progressive with a lot of nuances.

I was listening to The Red And The Black on my iPod the other night, when I apparently uttered "I LOVE Iron Maiden".
Which prompted The Lovely Mrs TAC, who was in the kitchen to say, "Keep it to yourself".  :lol
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 03:25:20 PM
Review from The Iron Maiden thread.

A track by track review: https://www.examiner.com/review/iron-maiden-returns-with-the-book-of-souls  :metal

It's been five long years since metal giants Iron Maiden have graced us with new music. The generally well received The Final Frontier came out in 2010 and saw Maiden pick up their first Grammy award. Since their return to dominance in 2000 with the Brave New World album, the band has seen their popularity soar to unprecedented heights in the United States. They've always been massive around the world, but for whatever reason, they struggled to break through to the mainstream in America. That is no longer the case, as each of their post-2000 records have seen them grow their base here as well as the rest of the world. After what has seemed like an eternity, The Book of Souls is complete and I've been fortunate enough to hear it prior to it's September 4th release date.

IronMaiden.com
The album has many vintage Maiden moments, but also shows that the band continues to grow. That's a trend that has really been going on since The X Factor. Rather than solely be a metal band, they've pushed forward to new heights and have reached into progressive rock elements for the past twenty years. This has allowed the band to remain relevant and remain the most dominant live metal outfit in the world. Let's dive into this latest gem, which is sure to grow into another must have for their rabid fan base.
Iron Maiden - The Book of Souls
1. If Eternity Should Fail
The album starts off triumphantly, almost as if to announce their return proudly. If you had doubts about whether Bruce Dickinson's voice has held up, those doubts are quickly erased during the intro. The classic Maiden gallop finally kicks in and instantly the song becomes pure Iron Maiden. If I had one complaint about this album's predecessor, it's that there wasn't enough of that iconic Iron Maiden aggression. Midway through the song, you get a heavy dose of Steve Harris and company in an instrumental piece that is reminiscent of the Killers era. This, however, has something that that era did not have: Bruce Dickinson, ladies and gentlemen.
2. Speed of Light
This is the only single so far to be released from the album. At first listen, like I have for the past four Maiden records, I thought the single was kind of "meh". Also, like I have for the past four albums, that song has began to grow on me. The track kicks off with one of Bruce's well known screams before jumping into a song that feels like it could have been included on 2010's The Final Frontier album. It has the same vibe as El Doradobut let's Dickinson show off his pipes on the chorus, similar to the way he did on The Talisman. The thing that it has most going for it, though, is that guitar hook. I've been humming it for the past two weeks.
3. The Great Unknown
The song starts out with the kind of slow intro that we've become accustomed to for the past twenty years. The guitars really add a nice layer of crunch to it during the verses before making way for another soaring Dickinson led chorus. The three headed monster on guitar of Dave Murray, Adrian Smith, and Janick Gers ferociously own this song before pulling off for the same outro that started the song. This staple of modern Maiden works flawlessly on this track.
4. The Red and the Black
This song has a real neat intro before kicking into the first true epic of the record. The track has a verySomewhere in Time era meets The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg vibe going on. Maybe Maiden fanatics wouldn't think that would work, but it does. It doesn't stay there, either. The song grows and grows, weaving through time changes and master musicianship as it builds to its peak. Most importantly, though, this song is complete with many of the famous Iron Maiden "whoa-oh-whoa" chorus types that will undoubtedly make for a fantastic live experience. Now, will they be willing to play this 13+ minute behemoth live? We will have to wait and see!
5. When the River Runs Deep
The fifth track on the record doesn't waste any time. There is no slow intro, actually quite the opposite. This song punches you right out of the gate and quite possibly could be another single from the album. The tempo that it is played at reminds you of tracks from their self titled debut album, but the music itself sounds very modern and relevant. This song should/could get serious airplay on radio if it's released as a single.
6. The Book of Souls
The album's title track begins with an acoustic intro, which was unheard of until 2003's Dance of Deathalbum. When the song really kicks in, you immediately become aware of the underrated drumming of Nicko McBrain. He can tend to get overshadowed by the Steve Harris gallop and the three headed guitar attack, let alone the soaring vocals of Dickinson. Is this Where Eagles Dare? No, it's not, but Nicko's fat drum beat is very present and keeps this song together. Really, you could say that about most of their songs, we just tend to take it for granted and don't always appreciate it like we ought to. Then, out of nowhere, the song goes full steam ahead with Powerslave era ferociousness. This could be another option for the band to perform live. It's long, but aren't they all, really? For a long time, Maiden fanatics have been calling for a return of that Maiden aggression. Well, here you go!
7. Death or Glory
There are portions of this record, musically, that show the band at their most Paul Di'Anno era tempo since Bruce joined the band. With Dickinson's vocals soaring behind this hard hitting music, it really makes you wonder how much better those first two records could have been. That's not a shot at Di'Anno, but Bruce once again shows why he is simply the best in the business. There is no other metal vocalist that does what he does, quite like he does it. This song could also have been the lead single to the record. In recent years, with the band's progressive push, there have been a lot of fans calling for some shorter, heavy hitting tracks to balance out the epics. This song does that and could quite easily wind up as one of those modern "classics".
8. Shadows of the Valley
This song begins with a very Wasted Years type of introduction. The lyrics even include a nod to anotherSomewhere in Time track. Like the classic era Maiden songs do, this one has you bopping your head and pumping your fists in the air. Perhaps, you're even playing air guitar or air drums. If you're expecting this album to drop off, it isn't going to happen. The guitarists trade solos before another verse and ending with an even better "oh-oh-oh" piece than on The Red and the Black. Combine that with it's much shorter time, that perhaps gives this one an advantage to being played live.
9. Tears of a Clown
A few days ago, we learned that this song was a tribute to the late Robin Williams. While I don't understand why or how that situation came to be, this song nobly attempts to take you into that mindset. Not necessarily the mindset of taking your life, but the mindset of being alone while among a crowd. As fitting as the tribute to him is, the most important thing is the song is a fantastic piece of musicianship. You can feel the heart that was put into this one, especially. This could be yet another live option for the Book of Souls World Tour.
10. The Man of Sorrows
Similar to the first track, this song begins with Bruce just showing off his God given skills. It builds into one of those songs that fits their post-reunion albums. It follows a tried and true formula, changes time, and features multiple guitar solos. If that doesn't say Iron Maiden, I'm not sure what does.
11. Empire of the Clouds
Ever since this record was announced, I've been impatiently waiting to hear this 18 minute closer to the album. It's been labeled as a Bruce Dickinson masterpiece. Let me tell you, it DOESN'T disappoint. The first few minutes of the song are a nice melody on the piano, played by Bruce! Who knew?!?! After a military march type drum intro, the vocals come in, still over top of his piano piece. This album shows Maiden at a place that they've not been before. This is so important for a band like them, to still make inspired and relevant music. Like they've done time and time again (Rime of the Ancient Mariner; When the Wild Wind Blows; Alexander the Great; etc.) the band tells a story. As the listener, you'd think that 18 minutes would be overkill and that you'd lose interest in the "story". Well, I'm here to tell you that you don't. The band weaves in between pieces of music that make up this song in a way that has you thinking about everything except how long the track is. Like the record as a whole, this track captures the entire band as one cohesive unit that's on the same page. There have been moments on the more recent albums, that don't leave you with that "one unit" vibe. It's great to see that the six piece truly saved the best for last. Masterpiece might be an understatement.
Support real music, America, and pick up a copy of The Book of Souls on September 4th across the United States.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 03:26:17 PM
Bravewords track by track
https://bravewords.com/features/iron-maidens-the-book-of-souls-track-by-track-an-enormous-artistic-endeavour
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: King Postwhore on August 31, 2015, 03:26:39 PM
Yeah!!!!! :metal


Anyway, similar to AMOLAD, I think this is going to take a few listens to sink in. Tons to love here though. Very progressive with a lot of nuances.

I was listening to The Red And The Black on my iPod the other night, when I apparently uttered "I LOVE Iron Maiden".
Which prompted The Lovely Mrs TAC, who was in the kitchen to say, "Keep it to yourself".  :lol

This makes me hapoy.  I love AMOLAD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: ariich on August 31, 2015, 04:19:07 PM
We also, in general, are more lenient towards discussion of the material itself that doesn't refer to a leak (someone might, after all, have heard legitimate promo copies - I myself get some for my reviews on LadyObscure).

It's the discussion of a leak that we generally clamp down on, and indeed I believe some people in this thread have been banned for a few days until the album is out for such discussion. But as bosk says, enforcement is not hard and fast and it's not easy.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mister Gold on August 31, 2015, 04:56:57 PM
I quite love TBoS. Fantastic album! Disc 1 is pretty good, with IESF and the title track being an incredible opener and closer. TRatB, on the other hand, is the weakest epic that Steve's written in at least a decade.

Disc 2 is a straight-up masterpiece.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: splent on August 31, 2015, 05:01:38 PM
I'm not a huge Maiden fan, just never got into them... That said I I listened to tears of a clown due to the Robin Williams homage and loved it.  I may have to listen to the whole thing now.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
I'm not a huge Maiden fan, just never got into them... That said I I listened to tears of a clown due to the Robin Williams homage and loved it.  I may have to listen to the whole thing now.

It's an awesome tune!

Never too late...
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 05:22:01 PM
Man, this is gonna be a long week waiting for this one to come out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 31, 2015, 06:08:03 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 06:09:31 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

Classics!!!
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 06:11:21 PM
I would also want to say that there were a couple of runs that totally reminded me of the DiAnno era albums. Seriously.
And I think that is fucking  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 06:26:46 PM
Excellent decision.

Honestly, for all the debate about 90s albums, you really should get all four of those last. Take your time to appreciate all of these 80s releases, then skip ahead to 2000's Brave New World. Then once you've worked your way through the 21st century albums, if you still want more Maiden, then go to the 90s ones.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 06:27:30 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

You will not be disappointed.  You just improved your life.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 06:28:58 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

You will not be disappointed.  You just improved your life.

Immensely!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 06:39:08 PM
I love Somewhere In Time.  Seventh Son is easily my least favorite of the Bruce albums, not including No Prayer and Fear of the Dark (which I do not have).

My rankings (because this is DTF, so we have to do album rankings for no reason):
1.  The Final Frontier
2.  Piece of Mind
3.  Somewhere In Time
4.  Dance of Death
5.  A Matter of Life and Death (really, 4 and 5 are interchangeable to me)
6.  The Number of the Beast
7.  Powerslave
8.  Brave New World
9.  Seventh Son
10.  Killers (only other studio album I have)
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 06:39:15 PM
I love reading these comments.

What's the production like?
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
I seriously cannot wait for everyone to hear it!!  The freshness and innovation for a band this far into their career is absolutely staggering and it has totally rekindled my love for Maiden after a pretty lukewarm reception to TFF (for myself).  Maiden are still writing like they have something to prove, and I honestly cannot believe how fucking awesome it is!

I would also want to say that there were a couple of runs that totally reminded me of the DiAnno era albums. Seriously.
And I think that is fucking  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

I definitely had that feeling too!  There are some definite throwbacks to the first two albums, especially with tempo changes that just smack you in the face, in the vein of (but not as drastic as) the tempo change in Genghis Khan.

There is more of that Sabbath vibe in some of the riffs that was present in the early days, but within the context of the proggier Maiden.  I love it!

I love reading these comments.

What's the production like?

To me the production is raw, like AMOLAD, but that being said it runs directly into Brave New World on my itunes, and there is definitely a similarity.

I think the 'rawness' is due to the quality of the rip - there is a lot missing in the bottom end, and listening to the Spotify stream of Speed of Light would suggest that it is just the rip quality.

And regarding Empire of the Clouds (spoiler): I can't believe that its 18 mins, it just flies by!  I was also shocked at how it doesn't at all rely on long, drawn out breakdowns a la SSOASS, Rime or SOTC.  It almost never lets up.  Bruce can write a killer riff when he wants to, and one in particular is definitely one of my favourite Maiden riffs post-reunion.

Eternity, River Runs Deep, Red and the Black, Empire and the title track are standouts for me at the moment.  The others are growing on me, and I feel like thats most likely how this album works.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 06:55:29 PM
I'm happy if it sounds more like AMOLAD and BNW as opposed to DOD and TFF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 06:55:57 PM
I'm not sure how accurately my ranking would be because it's been so long since I've listened to much of the Maiden discography and a lot of these are really close for me, but I will do this so that we can remain DTF.

Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: jjrock88 on August 31, 2015, 07:33:09 PM
I'm really liking the sounds of this!
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mister Gold on August 31, 2015, 07:33:50 PM
I'm happy if it sounds more like AMOLAD and BNW as opposed to DOD and TFF.

It's a great blend sonically between AMOLAD and BNW; it's more raw/heavy sounding like AMOLAD, but it's also more clean and refined like BNW. Low key production, but it works perfectly. :metal

Empire of the Clouds is possibly my new favorite Maiden song. I cried when I first heard it. Bruce's magnum opus, definitely. There's a nice nod to The Legacy at one point too that even sounds better here than it did in The Legacy.

The Man of Sorrows is probably my second favorite song off the album. Possibly Dave's best song ever.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 07:46:33 PM
I'm happy if it sounds more like AMOLAD and BNW as opposed to DOD and TFF.

It's a great blend sonically between AMOLAD and BNW; it's more raw/heavy sounding like AMOLAD, but it's also more clean and refined like BNW. Low key production, but it works perfectly. :metal

Empire of the Clouds is possibly my new favorite Maiden song. I cried when I first heard it. Bruce's magnum opus, definitely. There's a nice nod to The Legacy at one point too that even sounds better here than it did in The Legacy.

The Man of Sorrows is probably my second favorite song off the album. Possibly Dave's best song ever.

Man of Sorrows is fantastic, there is some beautiful flowing guitar work in there that is absolutely spellbinding, I just wish the outro was a bit longer, its so nice!

The awesomeness of Empire cannot be understated.

On a couple of tracks there are some awesome majestic sounding major key guitar melodies, I think specifically in Empire and TR&TB, which hit me as very different by Maiden standards.  Almost... Rush-majestic.  lol though, my Rush knowledge is limited.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 07:54:54 PM
Empire of the Clouds is possibly my new favorite Maiden song. I cried when I first heard it.

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: bl5150 on August 31, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
Well the Maidevangelists are in full swing - over in the other thread we have lives being improved and we're in tears over here.  Hang on...........I'm losing my balance  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/1lUmtKP.gif)
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 09:04:42 PM
My expectations getting this high can only lead to disappointment.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Keep it level headed mate and you'll be amazed like I was :P

Empire didn't make me cry but its pretty emotional, especially considering its Bruce writing the whole thing, and what he's been through lately.  That echoes with me on a personal level.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 09:56:24 PM
Fair enough mate.  I'm so looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Nel on August 31, 2015, 10:25:00 PM
I just realized I haven't said a word about this album since it was announced, so I'll just get this out of my system months later:

Dat old style logo wit dem pointy letters! Dem track lengths! Ooooooooh!  :metal
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: adace on August 31, 2015, 11:03:27 PM
The album is fantastic but it hasn't fully clicked with me yet. I'm getting there though.

I'm kinda leaning towards Death or Glory as my favorite track. It's just so epic and bursting with energy. Could have easily been on one of the 80's albums.

Also, this guy is uploading spot-on guitar covers of the new songs: https://www.youtube.com/user/crave136/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/crave136/videos)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 31, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

You will not be disappointed.  You just improved your life.

Immensely!

I've been enjoying the first five albums crazily and I'm looking forward to those two.
I'm debating whether or not to buy the book of souls on friday. Part of me thinks it's too soon but the other part wants to enjoy a new release with everyone else.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 02:38:33 AM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

You will not be disappointed.  You just improved your life.

Immensely!

I've been enjoying the first five albums crazily and I'm looking forward to those two.
I'm debating whether or not to buy the book of souls on friday. Part of me thinks it's too soon but the other part wants to enjoy a new release with everyone else.

Might as well, could be the last time you enjoy a new IM release with the fan base, although I know the guys were quoted saying they dont want it to be the last release, but you never know.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 01, 2015, 04:00:57 AM
All discussion related to the new album goes here so people can discuss other aspects of Maiden in the other thread without risking spoilers.

No problem with a new thread, but what I never understood is, what is there to "spoil" about an upcoming music release?

I mean, I can understand that in Movies, TV-series, books, when someone spoils the end and tells us who dies, who did it etc, that that can spoil the whole fun of watching/reading.

But in music? What is there to spoil, that can spoil my listening experience? When someone says Book Of Souls is good (or bad), the best (or worst or whatever) then it's personal opinion and no spoiler. When someone says that it's heavier/less heavy than previous albums? Isn't that all subjective and therefore no real spoiler? Is it a spoiler when someone told us that Bruce plays piano on Empire?

And yes, this question is meant mostly serious.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 04:07:52 AM
Empire of the Clouds is possibly my new favorite Maiden song. I cried when I first heard it.

Are you serious?

I'm not sure about the ranking yet, but yeah, I cried a little bit when I heard it. That song is beautiful. It's to Iron Maiden what The Garden was to Rush.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 04:16:03 AM
This album is..... AWESOME!!!!  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

Seriously, I can't say how amazing this album is.  I've listened to the first half about 20 times now and I love it.  The second half only a few times and its also very good.  Its just sooo much music to take in, but I really love it.  Lots of new things for IM here, but it still sounds clearly like IM and seems to have a lot of old styles mixed in with the new.  Also some of it reminds me a bit of Bruce solo but I guess that is due to his contributions on this one.
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Post by: Mladen on September 01, 2015, 04:28:46 AM
This album is just fantastic. Empire of the clouds is one of the best songs they've ever done, and so is The Red and the black. I love When the river runs deep, If eternity should fail, Death or glory, Speed of light and The Man of sorrows as well.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 01, 2015, 04:50:39 AM
I would also want to say that there were a couple of runs that totally reminded me of the DiAnno era albums. Seriously.
And I think that is fucking  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

This makes me happy  :biggrin:
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 05:21:27 AM
To help temper expectations, I should probably mention that I'm honestly not a big fan of The Red and the Black. It's got a lot of great riffs and massive instrumental section, but it feels like Steve just rushed the song out and didn't take any time to really work out the song. It actually feels considerably longer to me than Empire does, despite being five minutes shorter.

Thankfully Disc 1 has the strengths of If Eternity Should Fail and the title track to really hold it together. It's kinda like Powerslave, in that regard.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 01, 2015, 05:29:34 AM
To help temper expectations, I should probably mention that I'm honestly not a big fan of The Red and the Black.

I enjoy the song. But where it falls down for me is the band's insistence at playing the melody on guitar under the vocals. I just don't think it's needed.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 05:46:32 AM
To help temper expectations, I should probably mention that I'm honestly not a big fan of The Red and the Black.

I enjoy the song. But where it falls down for me is the band's insistence at playing the melody on guitar under the vocals. I just don't think it's needed.

I think thats one of the many awesome aspects of the songs and its something IM haven't done.  Really makes the song stick out and adds power to Bruce's vocals.  That song is a BEAST and although it kind of is like your standard Steve Harris IM epic, it really feels like its one of the better ones IMO.  Granted it is also new so maybe over time my opinion will change.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 06:11:09 AM
I think thats one of the many awesome aspects of the songs and its something IM haven't done.  Really makes the song stick out and adds power to Bruce's vocals.  That song is a BEAST and although it kind of is like your standard Steve Harris IM epic, it really feels like its one of the better ones IMO.  Granted it is also new so maybe over time my opinion will change.

It's not really a new thing for Maiden; Steve did the same thing on the last album with When the Wild Wind Blows. It just felt more natural/less noticeable there because the main melody was more nursery rhyme-ish. Also, while Bruce does sing really high on the main melody for TRatB, he sounds strained a lot of the time to me. I'm hesitant to imagine him singing this song consistently on the tour next year.

As for where this song ranks among Steve's IM epics... honestly, I think this one's the weakest he's done in a long time. At least since No More Tears and possibly even longer than that. It's not as lyrically repetitive as a lot of his stuff from the late 80's onward, but I just get the impression that Steve sat down one afternoon in the studio, came up with a bunch of riffs and strung 'em together and said, "Eh, that should do." It comes off like an incomplete homework essay that was rushed at the last second. Something that could have been absolutely incredible, had Steve just taken more time to work things out.

I think that's the result of how this album was written mostly in the studio spontaneously (IESF, SoL and DoG were all written in advance though). I think the new approach worked brilliantly, as the band sounds incredibly inspired on this album, but I think Steve himself probably works better when he's given a bit more time to tinker around with his own work.
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Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2015, 06:12:13 AM
So, how does Speed of Light rank compared to the rest of the songs.  Is it one of the weaker tracks?
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 06:18:46 AM
So, how does Speed of Light rank compared to the rest of the songs.  Is it one of the weaker tracks?

My initial take is that it is one of the weaker tracks, but I still need to digest the album more, however Speed of Light is also growing on me the more I listen to it so who knows.  I'd say im certain it is not near the top of my track rankings though.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 06:45:47 AM
So, how does Speed of Light rank compared to the rest of the songs.  Is it one of the weaker tracks?

It's a weaker track, but it's not the weakest track imo. That'd be TRatB for me.
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Post by: Polarbear on September 01, 2015, 06:59:43 AM
The Book of Souls is a great album for sure!!

Brave New World is still my favorite reunion era album, but TBoS and AMOLAD share the second place!

The Red and the Black and Shadows of the Valley didn't do anything for me at first, but both are growing on me.
The title track, If Eternity Should Fail and Empire of the Clouds are the highlights of the album. My favorite song of the album is The Great Unknown though. For me The Great Unknown sounds like a mix of Brave New World (song), Ghost of the Navigator and Infinite Dreams, just an awesome song!

Top.5 as of now.

1. The Great Unknown
2. Empire of the Clouds
3. The Book of Souls
4. If Eternity Should Fail
5. Tears of a Clown

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Post by: Art on September 01, 2015, 07:48:28 AM
I love the album.  :metal

It´s too soon to rank it for me, but it´s safe to say that it´s a very good effort. I want to listen to a high quality sound file, because of course the mp3 that i got it´s pretty bad. i have pre-ordered the album in CD format.

up the irons!  :metal
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Post by: lonestar on September 01, 2015, 08:45:14 AM
Givin it one full spin, and Death and Glory stands out as my favorite of the shorter tracks. Empire of the Clouds is just fucking beast level, I'll go see them live for that track alone.
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Post by: splent on September 01, 2015, 08:54:45 AM
 I never really got  into iron maiden… I know… But it's been on my list of bands I want to get more into. With the new album coming out, I listen to one track from it and enjoyed it, so I'd like some suggestions on where I should start.

 Now obviously I have listens to run to the hills and the number of the beast, and I enjoyed both of those tracks a lot. Should I start with that album?
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Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2015, 08:57:14 AM
I never really got  into iron maiden… I know… But it's been on my list of bands I want to get more into. With the new album coming out, I listen to one track from it and enjoyed it, so I'd like some suggestions on where I should start.

 Now obviously I have listens to run to the hills and the number of the beast, and I enjoyed both of those tracks a lot. Should I start with that album?

It is a pretty solid album.  Honestly, what hooked me as a recent fan was their live stuff.  For most bands, I would not necessarily recommend that new fans start with live material.  But Maiden is an exception.  SUCH a great live band.  If you have any time at all, pick of the DVD's for either Rock In Rio or En Vivo and watch them (you can also find the complete shows on YouTube, but come on man!  Support that band!). 
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 08:59:19 AM
Givin it one full spin, and Death and Glory stands out as my favorite of the shorter tracks. Empire of the Clouds is just fucking beast level, I'll go see them live for that track alone.

Im very curious as to whether or not Bruce would play the piano live, I'd really like to see them do it, but I doubt it.  I believe they tour with a keyboardist off stage, but it would be amazing for them to pull out a grand piano and have Bruce play and sing.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 09:11:35 AM
Agreed with bosk. Maiden is better live than they are in studio. I would say to get the DVDs of either Rock In Rio or En Vivo for a slant towards contemporary Maiden, and Live After Death for classic Maiden, and because that's pretty widely considered the best live heavy metal video ever.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 09:14:16 AM
Go with Flight 666, an amazing documentary that will make you fall in love with the band and also includes the full set list from that tour (which was exclusively 80s material). Then I say branch out to En Vivo to hear the newer stuff.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
Hmm, yeah, Flight 666 is a good choice. It includes most of the highlights from Live After Death but with a few other late 80s songs.

And the documentary is pretty damn awesome. To explain it briefly: Iron Maiden singer Bruce Dickinson is a pilot, so when the band goes on tour, they pack everything into a Boeing 757 (next tour it'll be a 747) which Bruce flies.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2015, 09:36:50 AM
Flight 666 is cool.  But for a new fan wanting a standard concert, I would not start there.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 09:40:14 AM
Perhaps not (simply because it's not one concert but a bunch of performances from different shows), but it does have the setlist that is the best overview of 80s Maiden, so that's worth considering. Bosk, I know you lean strongly towards the modern era, and I do too, but I think it's good to note that LAD and F666 showcase what most consider to be their golden era musically.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 09:42:39 AM
Even if its not a single concert, its VERY well done and has each of the songs played on that tour so it's about the same as a full concert, just where every song is in a different venue/country.

My point on F666 is that its ridiculous value for your money.  The documentary is the best I had ever seen for a band and then add in the full concert.  The video and audio is superb. 
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 09:42:39 AM
I agree Cram. One spotlight on Bruce.. Amazing!!
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 09:43:17 AM
   The documentary is the best I had ever seen for a band 

I agree.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 09:51:47 AM
That's true. LAD has (in my opinion) the superior performance quality and the authenticity of being the 80s material recorded in 1985. But F666 does have that documentary, has Janick, and (if this is something that might put someone off) the band is not dressed as ridiculously :lol
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Post by: Zydar on September 01, 2015, 09:52:22 AM
The intro to Shadows Of The Valley sounds a little like a slowed down Wasted Years intro :P
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
The intro to Shadows Of The Valley sounds a little like a slowed down Wasted Years intro :P

Yea, I hear the similarities
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 09:59:35 AM
the band is not dressed as ridiculously :lol

 :lol it is easier on the eyes, those outfits  :lol
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 10:21:46 AM
The intro to Shadows Of The Valley sounds a little like a slowed down Wasted Years intro :P

I'm pretty sure that's intentional. The song even refers to Sea of Madness lyrically. :hat

Givin it one full spin, and Death and Glory stands out as my favorite of the shorter tracks. Empire of the Clouds is just fucking beast level, I'll go see them live for that track alone.

Im very curious as to whether or not Bruce would play the piano live, I'd really like to see them do it, but I doubt it.  I believe they tour with a keyboardist off stage, but it would be amazing for them to pull out a grand piano and have Bruce play and sing.

Bruce has gone on record saying that he doesn't think they'll play Empire live, but Dave's also said that he thinks the band can and should play it live. So hopefully Dave wins that battle.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 10:23:42 AM
Interesting, I didnt know they were quoted about playing any of the new songs live.  Historically they always played the epic track on each album minus Alexander the Great, but then again with TBoS and TRatB, those could be played instead.  Who knows, this album is worthy of the AMoLaD live treatment, but I dont think they will do something like that again, especially since this album is even longer and would only leave room for an encore.
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 10:44:33 AM
   Who knows, this album is worthy of the AMoLaD live treatment, but I dont think they will do something like that again, especially since this album is even longer and would only leave room for an encore.

That is not the plan. I know I read something recently on this subject. I think it was in the Steve Harris interview that someone linked from MaidenFans.
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Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2015, 10:53:51 AM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82, and because I'm a joiner, I'll give my list:

1. Powerslave
2. Killers
3. Piece of Mind
4. Somewhere In Time
5. The Number of the Beast
6. Dance of Death
7. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
8. The Final Frontier
9. A Matter of Life and Death
10. Brave New World
11. Iron Maiden
12. No Prayer for the Dying
13. Fear of the Dark
14. The X Factor
15. Virtual XI
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 10:59:02 AM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82,

I remember the tour vividly, and knew a couple of kids who went. I was not able to go to concerts yet, but saw them the following August on the Piece Of Mind tour.
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Post by: Mladen on September 01, 2015, 11:01:26 AM
Bruce has gone on record saying that he doesn't think they'll play Empire live, but Dave's also said that he thinks the band can and should play it live. So hopefully Dave wins that battle.
Is this from an interview somewhere? I'd love to read it.
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 11:02:57 AM
Dave doesn't seem to be the battling type! :lol
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Post by: jammindude on September 01, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
From everything I've heard so far, I would almost prefer the AMOLAD treatment than hear "the hits" for the umteenth time.
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 11:10:03 AM
From everything I've heard so far, I would almost prefer the AMOLAD treatment than hear "the hits" for the umteenth time.

Oh, I totally agree.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
Bruce has gone on record saying that he doesn't think they'll play Empire live, but Dave's also said that he thinks the band can and should play it live. So hopefully Dave wins that battle.
Is this from an interview somewhere? I'd love to read it.

It's a foreign interview, if memory serves me right. I think it was either Germany or Brazil. Could be wrong though. I'm pretty sure Bruce's comments on Empire were from a French interview he did a couple weeks ago.

Interesting, I didnt know they were quoted about playing any of the new songs live.  Historically they always played the epic track on each album minus Alexander the Great, but then again with TBoS and TRatB, those could be played instead.  Who knows, this album is worthy of the AMoLaD live treatment, but I dont think they will do something like that again, especially since this album is even longer and would only leave room for an encore.

I have a feeling those two will definitely be played, but I'd much, much rather see Empire than TRatB personally.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 01:39:38 PM
Gave it a full spin yesterday, without skipping Speed of Light as I did yesterday, its actually better in context I feel - it ties the album together and gives a bit of respite between all the epics.

I really don't know that Empire will ever be played live.  I think if it did, Kenney would be playing the piano part - Bruce has said in an interview that the piano he recorded was done through MIDI so they could edit it, which leads me to believe he'd need a bit of practice to pull it off live.  Which is doable, but I don't know how Bruce would feel being tied down to a piano for 18mins :lol  But it seems like it would be difficult for reasons other than that as well, lots of different parts, moreso than any other epic, that weird 15/8 riff (or maybe its | 4/4 | 4/4 | 4/4 | 3/4 | ), the oddball changes and stuff like that.  It would be fantastic to see live though.
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Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2015, 01:52:43 PM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82,

I remember the tour vividly, and knew a couple of kids who went. I was not able to go to concerts yet, but saw them the following August on the Piece Of Mind tour.

Saw that too at New Haven Coliseum; Coney Hatch (sucked) and Fastway (awesome) opened.   The band started with "Where Eagles Dare" and Dickinson's mike wasn't working so he sang the first verse with no mike and I could still hear him (I was about 40 feet from the stage, but on the side).   Blew me away.   
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Post by: King Postwhore on September 01, 2015, 01:58:11 PM
I was lucky to see Maiden live on that great 3 album run of POM, Powerslave and SIT tours.
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 02:07:18 PM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82,

I remember the tour vividly, and knew a couple of kids who went. I was not able to go to concerts yet, but saw them the following August on the Piece Of Mind tour.

Saw that too at New Haven Coliseum; Coney Hatch (sucked) and Fastway (awesome) opened.   The band started with "Where Eagles Dare" and Dickinson's mike wasn't working so he sang the first verse with no mike and I could still hear him (I was about 40 feet from the stage, but on the side).   Blew me away.

Saw them on 8/27/83 at the old Cape Cod Coliseum. I even bought the Coney Hatch album in anticipation.
And yes, Fastway was great. My eyes were glued to Jerry Shirley.

It was an awesome show.

I would turn 15 about a month later.

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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 03:13:30 PM
That would truly be upsetting if it never gets played live, but not totally out of the norm for IM
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 01, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
The first moment that really struck me from this album:

OMG WASTED YEARS?

*Listening to Shadows of the Valley*
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 03:23:02 PM
My first IM show was in 2005 during Ozzfest in NJ where they only played songs from the first 4 albums. Not quite as cool, but certainly memorable for me.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 04:15:29 PM
Interesting, I didnt know they were quoted about playing any of the new songs live.  Historically they always played the epic track on each album minus Alexander the Great, but then again with TBoS and TRatB, those could be played instead.  Who knows, this album is worthy of the AMoLaD live treatment, but I dont think they will do something like that again, especially since this album is even longer and would only leave room for an encore.

I have a feeling those two will definitely be played, but I'd much, much rather see Empire than TRatB personally.

I think TRaTB was pretty much written with the live performance in mind - it's built for crowd participation with the 'whoa-oh' parts, which kind of lets the song down a little bit.  Its much better when that grows out of the song organically, like Fear of the Dark live, or anything off Rush in Rio :P

I read in a french interview that If Eternity Should Fail was demoed by Bruce in full for a possible solo album, and was nabbed by Steve (just like Bring Your Daughter).  You can really hear that - it would not sound out of place on Tyranny of Souls, that spoken word part especially.

It also makes me hopeful that maybe Bruce has another solo album somewhat in the can, which has been rumoured for a while now :o

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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 04:18:17 PM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82,

I remember the tour vividly, and knew a couple of kids who went. I was not able to go to concerts yet, but saw them the following August on the Piece Of Mind tour.

Saw that too at New Haven Coliseum; Coney Hatch (sucked) and Fastway (awesome) opened.   The band started with "Where Eagles Dare" and Dickinson's mike wasn't working so he sang the first verse with no mike and I could still hear him (I was about 40 feet from the stage, but on the side).   Blew me away.   

Holy shit! That's an awesome story.

I was lucky to see Maiden live on that great 3 album run of POM, Powerslave and SIT tours.

Jealous.

My first Maiden show wasn't til 2009, but I'd been listening to them since I was sentient.  My book for silent reading at primary (elementary) school was Mick Wall's Run to the Hills :lol
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 04:29:15 PM
I was not really familiar with the R-101 disaster. This is a quick video lesson.

https://wn.com/r-101
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Post by: aurorablind on September 01, 2015, 05:01:45 PM
Anobody else in love with the title track?
The main riff is one of Maidens coolest riffs ever. Janick rocks! :metal
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 05:04:25 PM
I love how it picks up and Bruce is epic at the very end.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 05:06:16 PM
Totally agreed on that riff! Its so killer and sounds brutal over Nicko's brooding half time sledgehammer drums.  Love it. 

Jan really delivered on this one, its up there with Dance of Death imo.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 10:29:11 PM
Agreed with bosk. Maiden is better live than they are in studio. I would say to get the DVDs of either Rock In Rio or En Vivo for a slant towards contemporary Maiden, and Live After Death for classic Maiden, and because that's pretty widely considered the best live heavy metal video ever.

Maiden England is better than Live After Death, imo. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Infinite Dreams, Killers, Moonchild, Still Life and The Prisoner? All it'd need is Phantom of the Opera to truly seal the deal.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
But Aces High, Revelations, Flight of Icarus, Powerslave and Rime of the Ancient Mariner!

Maiden England is phenomenal, really, and I can definitely see why you'd think it's better. A rewatch of both is long overdue for me, and at that point I may have a different opinion about which is better. But Live After Death is absolutely legendary, because it captures one of the best live bands ever at the very top of their touring game. And for me it remains my automatic response to the question "what is the best live album?"
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 10:38:27 PM
But Aces High, Revelations, Flight of Icarus, Powerslave and Rime of the Ancient Mariner!

Maiden England is phenomenal, really, and I can definitely see why you'd think it's better. A rewatch of both is long overdue for me, and at that point I may have a different opinion about which is better. But Live After Death is absolutely legendary, because it captures one of the best live bands ever at the very top of their touring game. And for me it remains my automatic response to the question "what is the best live album?"

Aces High and Rime are both overrated in my book (though I do like 'em both) and I prefer the later 80's Maiden material anyway. The early 80's deep-cuts on Maiden England are also more to my own tastes anyway.

Like I said, all ME would need to really seal the deal is Phantom. That's the big jewel that LAD has.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2015, 10:45:07 PM
I'd probably take Maiden England's setlist too over LAD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
Honestly, purely in terms of setlist, I'd rate them about equally, with LAD maybe a little ahead. LAD has some great cuts that ME lacks and vice versa (which is why it's great that we have both of them!). Just so we can look at it, here's a quick list of what each has that the other doesn't:

LAD:
Aces High
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Trooper
Revelations
Flight of Icarus
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Powerslave
Wrathchild (audio only)
22 Acacia Avenue (audio only)
Children of the Damned (audio only)
The Phantom of the Opera (audio only)

ME:
Moonchild
The Evil That Men Do
The Prisoner
Still Life
Infinite Dreams
Killers
Can I Play With Madness
Heaven Can Wait
Wasted Years
The Clairvoyant
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

Yeah, between those two lists I'd take LAD, though they're both really good. Actually, looking at these written out, I'm pleasantly surprised by how much is different. Really smart of them to only really repeat the "essential" songs on the setlist.

But for me, in the end, it's the performance. LAD's performances are absolutely legendary. It's really a tour de force and it stands out on that level above all the other Maiden live albums except for maybe Rock In Rio. This is a fairly subjective criteria, though, so your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 10:56:06 PM
Maybe it's because LAD's setlist is too "obvious" for me, but the only real treasures on it for me are the last three tracks: 22 Acacia Avenue, Children of the Damned and Phantom of the Opera.

Meanwhile, ME just has this insane behemoth of a setlist that represents what I see as the band's peak during the 80's. Despite their statuses as great songs, Rime, Revelation and the like simply do not match the power of something like Seventh Son or Infinite Dreams in my book.

Moreover I like the tone and performances of ME more too. It's darker, moodier.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2015, 11:18:58 PM
^^^^^^^^^^

This is pretty much what I think too.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: nobloodyname on September 01, 2015, 11:21:32 PM
I read in a french interview that If Eternity Should Fail was demoed by Bruce in full for a possible solo album, and was nabbed by Steve (just like Bring Your Daughter).  You can really hear that - it would not sound out of place on Tyranny of Souls, that spoken word part especially.

Yes! I think I actually mumbled out loud at the end of the song, "oooh... reminds me of bits of The Chemical Wedding (album)!" (particularly from Scream for Me Brazil).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 11:22:38 PM
I like the last two 80s albums better than Powerslave as well, but to me, those songs don't come to life in a concert setting as well as the songs from The Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind and Powerslave do. Honestly, Live After Death has practically taken the place of Powerslave for me, because those live recordings of AH, 2MTM, the title track and ROTAM absolutely blow away the studio versions of those songs, and I find the other four songs from that studio album to be pretty meh, so whenever I feel like listening to PS songs, I typically go to LAD. Whereas when I want to listen to SSOASS I listen to that album, not ME. So that could be another factor leading to my favoring LAD.

I feel I must say, since you specifically mentioned that song, that Revelations at LAD may be my favorite single live performance ever. Long Beach Arena, can you feel it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 02, 2015, 12:35:39 AM
Man, talk about memories... I remember when Live after Death came out and i instantly bought it on vinyl. The artwork, the inside cover photography, the setlist, the production. Everything was top notch. The performances outshine their studio counterparts by far. As for classic Maiden, none better. I really loved Maiden England as well, espacially Seven son of a seventh son....what an athmosphere!

For more recent live concerts you can't really go wrong with Rock in Rio en En Vivo (crazy Chileans!) and as some have said the EXCELLENT Flight 666.

And if you want to have a good laugh, check out the History of Iron Maiden (parts I, II and III) which are on various dvd's.
Part I: The Early Days (with great early concert footage with Paul D'ianno, in a pub, nice and raw)
Part II is on the Live after Death DVD (includes their first 'Iron Curtain Tour', where they crash a Polish Wedding and play some  coversongs with the wedding band)
Part III is on 'Maiden England' and handles the period right after Live after Death, the making of SOASS and Somewhere in Time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 02, 2015, 12:37:33 AM
I like the last two 80s albums better than Powerslave as well, but to me, those songs don't come to life in a concert setting as well as the songs from The Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind and Powerslave do. Honestly, Live After Death has practically taken the place of Powerslave for me, because those live recordings of AH, 2MTM, the title track and ROTAM absolutely blow away the studio versions of those songs, and I find the other four songs from that studio album to be pretty meh, so whenever I feel like listening to PS songs, I typically go to LAD. Whereas when I want to listen to SSOASS I listen to that album, not ME. So that could be another factor leading to my favoring LAD.

I feel I must say, since you specifically mentioned that song, that Revelations at LAD may be my favorite single live performance ever. Long Beach Arena, can you feel it?

I consider Powerslave to be one of the, if not the best Maiden album. The playing on that is ridiculously tight. Also, with all the classic live performances, no one mentions Hallowed be thy name?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 02, 2015, 12:39:17 AM
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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 02, 2015, 01:18:21 AM
Also, with all the classic live performances, no one mentions Hallowed be thy name?

My favourite part in the LAD video is when Adrian and Dave walk up the drum riser stairs and along the opposing catwalks during the final guitar harmony in Hallowed.  Brilliant moment. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 02, 2015, 01:37:45 AM
The album run from Number Of The Beast to Powerslave is my favorite Maiden period. Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son aren't bad, but for me no match. So I would prefer Live after Death, the only problem I have is that they play Revelations (one of the best IM songs) too fast and therefore almost ruin it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 04:28:51 AM
Also, with all the classic live performances, no one mentions Hallowed be thy name?

My favourite part in the LAD video is when Adrian and Dave walk up the drum riser stairs and along the opposing catwalks during the final guitar harmony in Hallowed.  Brilliant moment.

It was 30 years ago this summer that I saw that tour, but I absolutely remember that from the concert.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on September 02, 2015, 04:53:24 AM
I consider Powerslave to be one of the, if not the best Maiden album. The playing on that is ridiculously tight. Also, with all the classic live performances, no one mentions Hallowed be thy name?

That would be because Bruce botches Hallowed on both LAD and Maiden England. The only really good live album performance of it he did in the 80's was on Beast over Hammersmith. That performance is transcendental.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Art on September 02, 2015, 05:23:58 AM
If Eternity Should Fail does have the "Bruce Dickinson solo career feeling". Amazing song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 02, 2015, 05:33:53 AM
Bruce Air to Paris to hear The Book Of Souls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOwQaVt8LiA)
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 06:52:21 AM
Just had my first complete uninterrupted listen to Empire Of The Clouds. Amazing.


I'm really just now starting to sink my teeth into this, but my first impression is that while each of the first four Reunion Era albums have their own personality, this one feels like it pulls from each of the previous four.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2015, 07:15:31 AM
Bruce has gone on record saying that he doesn't think they'll play Empire live, but Dave's also said that he thinks the band can and should play it live. So hopefully Dave wins that battle.
Is this from an interview somewhere? I'd love to read it.

It's a foreign interview, if memory serves me right. I think it was either Germany or Brazil. Could be wrong though. I'm pretty sure Bruce's comments on Empire were from a French interview he did a couple weeks ago.
Found it. I think Bruce is concerned about being able to play Empire live because he apparently isn't that great pianist. He doesn't know if he will be able to perform it properly.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mister Gold on September 02, 2015, 08:33:46 AM
Just had my first complete uninterrupted listen to Empire Of The Clouds. Amazing.

Yeah, it is. Talk about a masterpiece. 

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I'm really just now starting to sink my teeth into this, but my first impression is that while each of the first four Reunion Era albums have their own personality, this one feels like it pulls from each of the previous four.

I think TBoS pulls from a large majority of the band's discography. It feels like a culmination.

Found it. I think Bruce is concerned about being able to play Empire live because he apparently isn't that great pianist. He doesn't know if he will be able to perform it properly.

Yep, that's the impression I got too. I think they'd probably get Kinney to play the piano parts for Bruce if they play it live, unless Bruce feels compelled to play it himself.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 08:57:55 AM
Mister Gold, I like your culmination comment. And for old time's sake, it even contains some filler! :omg:
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: emtee on September 02, 2015, 09:12:41 AM
My big take away so far is that I feel a lot of emotion in some of these songs. I can't say that about too many Maiden songs.
Feels like they really put their soul into this and I'm sure what Bruce was going through at the time played a part in that.
I can see it being a top 2 or 3 all time Maiden album!
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Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2015, 09:27:51 AM
Well, if they decide to play the song live, it would only make sense for Bruce to play the piano. At least in my head. It would be great to see Bruce playing piano and singing at the same time, that would be new.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 09:38:06 AM
Well, if they decide to play the song live, it would only make sense for Bruce to play the piano. At least in my head. It would be great to see Bruce playing piano and singing at the same time, that would be new.

What makes the Reunion era so special is that Maiden is not backing away from any challenges. They are pushing themselves beyond what even their biggest fans (like me) could imagine. It would not surprise me in the least if they did this.
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Post by: ariich on September 02, 2015, 09:41:49 AM
Feels like they really put their soul into this and I'm sure what Bruce was going through at the time played a part in that.
Not sure if there's something else I don't know about, but his cancer wasn't diagnosed until the album was almost completed.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 09:46:25 AM
Feels like they really put their soul into this and I'm sure what Bruce was going through at the time played a part in that.
Not sure if there's something else I don't know about, but his cancer wasn't diagnosed until the album was almost completed.

He mentioned in this interview released yesterday that he found it with 6 weeks left of recording.
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-frontman-bruce-dickinsons-cancer-doctor-i-do-like-a-bit-of-maiden-but-im-actually-a-rush-fan-video
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Post by: El Barto on September 02, 2015, 09:52:57 AM
Only listened to two songs so far, but it seems pretty typical. Ari needs to learn that length just for the sake of length isn't a good thing. Empire of the Clouds isn't a bad song, but it's damn sure 5 minutes too long. You could tell they were going for a Rhyme kind of thing with it, and Rhyme pushed it right up to the edge of getting redundant (but didn't cross over). With Empire there are points where you just skip ahead 90 seconds and don't miss anything.

Speed of Light is a perfectly decent song, but nothing remarkable. I thought the video was actually better than the song.
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Post by: Zydar on September 02, 2015, 10:03:22 AM
I've had that Empire piano riff in my head all day now.
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Post by: Dream Team on September 02, 2015, 12:27:20 PM
Unfortunately this album is getting slagged on a lot of metal forums. Typical critiques:

Which is pretty much what they used to do. It's a bit heartbreaking because I can see why they went in this direction and why they might feel it's a good fit for them, but they're just not very good at it. Being adventurous with songwriting should involve more than this. They may be writing really long songs but it doesn't feel like they are challenging themselves, musicianship-wise, or doing enough to keep those lengthy compositions from sounding extremely repetitive. They might be talented enough to write some true progressive music (and they've certainly hinted at this before) but their hearts just don't really seem to be in it. Bless them for trying so hard to be interesting, and I've no doubt they're totally sincere in everything they attempt...

I've given fresh listens to some of their other overly diluted albums in the past few days, especially AMoLaD, and, while there are plain old fillers and recycling aplenty as well, this is still the main problem. Songs like "For the Greater Good of God" or "Lord of Light" would actually be great, had any kind of competent song arranger had their say in the studio. And Maiden has a bunch of guys like that, in theory.

What's mindbogglingly frustrating is that, out of all these guys, it appears that the one chiefly responsible for all this aggravating bullshit is the former fucking songwriting genius who came up with the bulk of the Maiden style and early classic material.... V_v
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Post by: Zydar on September 02, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
I wonder if this is official artwork or some fan-made graphics?

(https://www.grande-rock.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large/imagesnews/ironmaiden-thebookofsouls-cover-2015.jpg)

I found it on this site.

https://www.grande-rock.com/news/iron-maiden-release-book-souls-september-4th-2015 (https://www.grande-rock.com/news/iron-maiden-release-book-souls-september-4th-2015)
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Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2015, 12:39:55 PM
I don't think that's official but I would like it to be. The minimalistic approach of having no background is still kinda odd, but Eddie looks great anyway.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Zydar on September 02, 2015, 12:40:51 PM
I much prefer this one over the official one.
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Post by: Stadler on September 02, 2015, 01:20:28 PM
Unfortunately this album is getting slagged on a lot of metal forums. Typical critiques:

Which is pretty much what they used to do. It's a bit heartbreaking because I can see why they went in this direction and why they might feel it's a good fit for them, but they're just not very good at it. Being adventurous with songwriting should involve more than this. They may be writing really long songs but it doesn't feel like they are challenging themselves, musicianship-wise, or doing enough to keep those lengthy compositions from sounding extremely repetitive. They might be talented enough to write some true progressive music (and they've certainly hinted at this before) but their hearts just don't really seem to be in it. Bless them for trying so hard to be interesting, and I've no doubt they're totally sincere in everything they attempt...

I've given fresh listens to some of their other overly diluted albums in the past few days, especially AMoLaD, and, while there are plain old fillers and recycling aplenty as well, this is still the main problem. Songs like "For the Greater Good of God" or "Lord of Light" would actually be great, had any kind of competent song arranger had their say in the studio. And Maiden has a bunch of guys like that, in theory.

What's mindbogglingly frustrating is that, out of all these guys, it appears that the one chiefly responsible for all this aggravating bullshit is the former fucking songwriting genius who came up with the bulk of the Maiden style and early classic material.... V_v

These "critiques" are useless if you ask me.   These "geniuses" just want to hear something different, and that's fine.  Go listen to something different.   But to imply that, after 14 albums and a gadbazillion records sold that Harris et al are "incompentent" at what they do... well, then, I'll take "incompentent" all frigging day. 
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Post by: El Barto on September 02, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
Actually, he summed up my thoughts on EotS perfectly.
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Which is pretty much what they used to do. It's a bit heartbreaking because I can see why they went in this direction and why they might feel it's a good fit for them, but they're just not very good at it. Being adventurous with songwriting should involve more than this. They may be writing really long songs but it doesn't feel like they are challenging themselves, musicianship-wise, or doing enough to keep those lengthy compositions from sounding extremely repetitive. They might be talented enough to write some true progressive music (and they've certainly hinted at this before) but their hearts just don't really seem to be in it. Bless them for trying so hard to be interesting, and I've no doubt they're totally sincere in everything they attempt...
Maiden has always had a penchant for repetition, and the more successful they become the more he thinks they need to push what they're doing further. AMoLaD was fairly fresh by Maiden standards, hence my fondness for it, but for the most part they're increasingly formulaic and that really is a shame.

Still, I'm holding out hope for the rest of the album. I'm only reacting to what they presumably considered the centerpiece.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 02:11:35 PM
Actually, he summed up my thoughts on EotC perfectly.
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Which is pretty much what they used to do. It's a bit heartbreaking because I can see why they went in this direction and why they might feel it's a good fit for them, but they're just not very good at it. Being adventurous with songwriting should involve more than this. They may be writing really long songs but it doesn't feel like they are challenging themselves, musicianship-wise, or doing enough to keep those lengthy compositions from sounding extremely repetitive. They might be talented enough to write some true progressive music (and they've certainly hinted at this before) but their hearts just don't really seem to be in it. Bless them for trying so hard to be interesting, and I've no doubt they're totally sincere in everything they attempt...
Maiden has always had a penchant for repetition, and the more successful they become the more he thinks they need to push what they're doing further. AMoLaD was fairly fresh by Maiden standards, hence my fondness for it, but for the most part they're increasingly formulaic and that really is a shame.

Still, I'm holding out hope for the rest of the album. I'm only reacting to what they presumably considered the centerpiece.

Bart, in that quote, that's always been how I felt about Savatage.. anyway, back to Maiden.


I actually disagree. It DOES feel like they are challenging themselves, and has so the entire Reunion Era. One can certainly question if their execution is effective or not, but I don't think anyone can argue that they are not challenging themselves.


These "critiques" are useless if you ask me.   These "geniuses" just want to hear something different, and that's fine.  Go listen to something different.   But to imply that, after 14 albums and a gadbazillion records sold that Harris et al are "incompentent" at what they do... well, then, I'll take "incompentent" all frigging day. 
This is funny because I was thinking this very same thing listening to the album today. Basically I was listening to a part that I strongly disagreed with and thought that Steve Harris is the most stubborn guy in metal. Then I immediately thought that he has only guided the most successful metal band in history this way.  :lol

Only listened to two songs so far, but it seems pretty typical. Ari needs to learn that length just for the sake of length isn't a good thing. Empire of the Clouds isn't a bad song, but it's damn sure 5 minutes too long. You could tell they were going for a Rhyme kind of thing with it, and Rhyme pushed it right up to the edge of getting redundant (but didn't cross over). With Empire there are points where you just skip ahead 90 seconds and don't miss anything. 

Bart, I am with you on Rime completely. Believe it or not, Maiden put me off with Powerslave when it came out. They were so boasting about the length of Rime, and I felt it was simply long for long's sake. Both the song AND the album have aged very well for me, but honestly, I still have a hard time listing it as one of their masterpieces.

But at this point, I'm fine with EOTC the way it is. The transitions feel a bit rough, and I'm not sure the point of the DUH DUH DUH part, but there is so much that is great going on, that I am giving it the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
I'd be more upset if that type of review was coming from a lead writer in the metal history, but I really don't take opinions of music too seriously especially from annonymous internet folk, including here no offense.  Everyone has different tastes.  However, I do think certain things like "maiden aren't challenging themselves" is a poor excuse for disliking the music.  The music has evolved so much and it's not just longer songs, although it's fine to say one thinks songs could be shorter, that's a fair opinion.  Either way, I am loving this album, I am a maiden die hard so I am also biased, but I feel this album did continue their evolution, but also stuck true to what IM have always been in many ways.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 03:09:23 PM
   Either way, I am loving this album, I am a maiden die hard so I am also biased, but I feel this album did continue their evolution, but also stuck true to what IM have always been in many ways.
Cram, I know you're a huge Maiden fan, so I always appreciate your opinion.


I am also LOVING this album. Trust me, I love it. So what I'm about to say may not sound like I love it, but really I do.
My first impressions are this will be the first time in the Reunion era that one of their albums does not eclipse the previous one. Now that's a tall order because the two previous ones are arguably their two best albums in my book.

I feel like this album is a lot like Dance Of Death. Like DOD, it will be carried by its epics. But the refusal to trim 12 minutes, or two songs, is not an excuse to release a double album. IMO, they could've easily cut two of the following; If Eternity Should Fail, Death Or Glory, or Shadows In The Valley (why that opening??). They are all decent songs, but they are also on par with some of the filler on Dance Of Death.
But hey, that's my gripe! I LOVE Dance Of Death, and I love this album. But I don't love it as much as AMOLAD or TFF.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
That's a fair opinion, but I thought TFF was a let down from AMoLAD (my favorite IM album so I understand it was going to be hard to top that).
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
AMOLAD, to me, is a landmark album. It's an epic masterpiece and it cracked my Top 3, which is a remarkable thing 25 years into a band's career. To me, TFF is just colored a bit brighter and is a little easier on the ears.

I remember thinking how the hell were they going to top AMOLAD. There's not much in their discography that does measure up to it, but I just take a tad more enjoyment out of TFF.
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Post by: El Barto on September 02, 2015, 03:40:53 PM
Bart, I am with you on Rime completely. Believe it or not, Maiden put me off with Powerslave when it came out. They were so boasting about the length of Rime, and I felt it was simply long for long's sake. Both the song AND the album have aged very well for me, but honestly, I still have a hard time listing it as one of their masterpieces.

But at this point, I'm fine with EOTC the way it is. The transitions feel a bit rough, and I'm not sure the point of the DUH DUH DUH part, but there is so much that is great going on, that I am giving it the benefit of the doubt for now.
Don't get me wrong, I still rank Rhyme as one of the masterpieces. They tried to make it too redundant for my taste, but thankfully stopped just short.

And try it with better punctuation: 
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DUH-DUH-DUH    DUH-----DUH-----DUH     DUH-DUH-DUH
Make more sense?
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 02, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
Ah I see!  SOS.  Can't believe I missed that, doh.

The music has evolved so much and it's not just longer songs, although it's fine to say one thinks songs could be shorter, that's a fair opinion.  Either way, I am loving this album, I am a maiden die hard so I am also biased, but I feel this album did continue their evolution, but also stuck true to what IM have always been in many ways.

this is how I feel about it really.  this is the best of the reunion albums for me, perhaps a tie with BNW, but I think its a huge step up from TFF, and I do think it's less formulaic than usual for Maiden.
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Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
That part is one of the more epic bits of the tune. There's plenty of sections that are there for dramatic, cinematic purposes. You can actually hear the vessel taking off, struggling with turbulence and finally collapsing.
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Post by: Moonchild on September 02, 2015, 04:47:03 PM
love it. Probably as great as BNW and I've been strugling with some Maiden releases since the reunion.
The problem with DoD except the uniqueness of Journeyman and Pashendale was the focus on repetition (No More Lies) and miserable short songs.
AMOLAD was the continuation of the unfocused songs becoming long as hell, tedious and missusing Bruces melodic and charismatic voice, well I couldn't understand half the things he was yelling. I didnt understand why he sounded great live and on the record crap. However it did contain some good songs.
TFF is weird because it was a sort of a return to normal songs but they were on that AMOLAD mindset so the only song I really like is Starblind because is different.

Now my favs:
 EotC is Dickinson real masterpiece... never I thought the man played the piano and wrote something engaging that even Dream Theater hasn't done in a while ...a decent long prog song with no breakdowns. Its catchy, real catchy with no" NO MORE LIES NO MORE LIES NO MORE LIES NO MORE LIES " stuff and that middle guitar riff..is epic

IESF is Chemical Wedding in Maiden, something we fans wanted ever since 99.

When the River Runs Deep is something that changes tempo and could have come from Seventh Son IMO

the only dud is SoL but it does work better in an album environment.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 02, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
You and i share similar thoughts on Maiden, which is nice. :tup
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
And try it with better punctuation: 
Quote
DUH-DUH-DUH    DUH-----DUH-----DUH     DUH-DUH-DUH
Make more sense?

Ah I see!  SOS.  Can't believe I missed that, doh.

Oh OK. I would've never figured that out if it wasn't pointed out to me. Thank you. At least that explains it.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 06:44:35 PM
love it. Probably as great as BNW and I've been strugling with some Maiden releases since the reunion.
The problem with DoD except the uniqueness of Journeyman and Pashendale was the focus on repetition (No More Lies) and miserable short songs.
AMOLAD was the continuation of the unfocused songs becoming long as hell, tedious and missusing Bruces melodic and charismatic voice, well I couldn't understand half the things he was yelling. I didnt understand why he sounded great live and on the record crap. However it did contain some good songs.
TFF is weird because it was a sort of a return to normal songs but they were on that AMOLAD mindset so the only song I really like is Starblind because is different.

 
IESF is Chemical Wedding in Maiden, something we fans wanted ever since 99.

the only dud is SoL but it does work better in an album environment.

I don't subscribe to any of this. ;D
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Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2015, 07:01:15 PM
For anyone wondering about the deluxe edition, as discussed here or in the other thread, here's some dude's video of it, I think I might stick with the regular version depending on price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0FNXFcS0W0
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 07:07:02 PM
It was only like $3 extra on Amazon.
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Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
Depends on how big it is for me, doesn't look any bigger than your normal digi though, maybe a bit taller.
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Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
Very cool new interview with Bruce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHOmXTBTBFs
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 02, 2015, 07:40:38 PM
5 songs demoed with roy...
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Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2015, 09:42:47 PM
5 songs?  I must have missed that, I heard him say the opener was basically done with him and Roy, but if that's the case I wonder what Roy thinks about it.  A Bruce solo album was obviously happening but maybe not anymore, and no songwriting credits to Roy.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 02, 2015, 11:50:00 PM
2m 28s for the confirmation five tracks were demoed with Roy Z.

Cracking interview.

Drop D!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 03, 2015, 01:48:45 AM
Cool interview with Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHCJopm_Un4)
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 02:16:32 AM
I remember a rumor floating around about Roy being pissed about a potential release of a new Bruce solo album, I think the rumor was that they were holding back the solo album so they could release the IM album, but I am wondering if it was more to do with IM stealing a song.  Just speculation, but if there was truth to that, as much as I like If Eternity Should Fail, I'd rather IM to leave that to Bruce and not use it to keep the peace, there's enough good music on the record that they didn't need to take away from Bruce's solo stuff, but like I said, that is just speculation.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 02:18:48 AM
Bruce Air to Paris to hear The Book Of Souls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOwQaVt8LiA)

Bruce on the kazoo!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 03, 2015, 02:25:22 AM
Yea  :lol
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 03, 2015, 02:44:25 AM
I remember that rumour (I believe it was based on an interview with Roy Z) but I think it pre-dated The Final Frontier.

I've often wondered whether Coming Home was originally intended to be on a Bruce solo album.
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 04:21:06 AM
Coming Home is a fantastic tune and distinctly un-Maiden. Still they did a great job with it.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 03, 2015, 04:22:34 AM
Agreed on all parts. For me, it's one of the stand-outs of the album.
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 04:39:34 AM
Yes it is and it might be in my Maiden Top 15.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 04:42:31 AM
I personally wouldn't go that far, but agreed that it is fantastic and un-maiden like.  I also love it on En Vivo.
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 04:47:21 AM
I would. ;D

Might also be one of my favorite Maiden lyric too.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 04:48:22 AM
I love how the dedicated BoS thread just turns into general IM discussion  :lol
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 07:01:37 AM
I feel like Speed Of light would've made a better Track 2 on TFF, whereas El Dorado would've fit a lot more as TBOS' second track.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 03, 2015, 07:52:43 AM
I feel like Speed Of light would've made a better Track 2 on TFF, whereas El Dorado would've fit a lot more as THOS' second track.

The Hook Of Souls?
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 07:58:35 AM
 :facepalm:

Sorry, I'm using my Kingshmeglish keyboard! ;D

I actually started typing the title, but decided midstream to use initials. :lol
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 03, 2015, 08:25:03 AM
I feel like Speed Of light would've made a better Track 2 on TFF, whereas El Dorado would've fit a lot more as TBOS' second track.

That's an interesting observation. I do feel that Speed of Light fits on The Book of Souls but my first reaction on hearing the track was that it sounded like a holdover from The Final Frontier. Must admit I really like the track now but was a little underwhelmed at first.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 08:27:07 AM
Speed of Light is definitely a grower.  I liked it from first listen, but it keeps getting better and I feel it fits well in the album.  That said, I also do think it could have fit in El Durado's spot as well.  I think they are similar style songs, but Speed of Light is better.
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Post by: Mladen on September 03, 2015, 08:53:25 AM
I loved El Dorado from the start, although more than I do now. However, even though it's only been a few weeks, I would say Speed of light is much better, I hope it stays great.
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Post by: goo-goo on September 03, 2015, 09:38:28 AM
The intro to Speed of Light makes me want to scream "More Cowbell"
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Post by: aurorablind on September 03, 2015, 02:01:40 PM
So I`ve been listening to this album for about a week now (arrived in the mail yesterday, so a lot of the listening have been illegal).
I`ve had time to digest it, and it`s just incredible how good it is. It aint perfect. The Red and the Black and Shadows of the Walley haven`t really clicked, but the rest of the album... wow.. The best reunion era album? Probably!
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 02:05:55 PM
Shadows In The Valley is probably the weakest track for me. TRATB is fantastic though. Love the extended instrumental break.

I don't think this is the Reunion Era's best album, but it is awesome!!
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Post by: kirksnosehair on September 03, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Irons Up  :corn
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 03:00:42 PM
Shadows In The Valley is probably the weakest track for me. TRATB is fantastic though. Love the extended instrumental break.

I don't think this is the Reunion Era's best album, but it is awesome!!
Yup, thats my least favorite so far and I really really like TRATB.  I think its one of Steve's better epics.  Too early to say it's their best though, need more time to digest and it's going to be tough to beat AMoLaD for me, but it does have the potential, it's that good.
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Post by: Scorpion on September 03, 2015, 03:08:55 PM
First listen, here I come!

Really digging If Eternity Should Fail - awesome opener.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 03, 2015, 04:10:49 PM
Shadows In The Valley is probably the weakest track for me. TRATB is fantastic though. Love the extended instrumental break.

I don't think this is the Reunion Era's best album, but it is awesome!!
Yup, thats my least favorite so far and I really really like TRATB.  I think its one of Steve's better epics.  Too early to say it's their best though, need more time to digest and it's going to be tough to beat AMoLaD for me, but it does have the potential, it's that good.

Ha.  I really love Shadows of the Valley, and I think TRaTB could be a few minutes shorter.  Surprisingly the tracks I don't dig as much on this album are written by Steve.


My ranking:

1. If Eternity Should Fail
2. Empire of the Clouds
3. When the River Runs Deep
4. The Book of Souls
5. Shadows of the Valley
6. Death or Glory
7. Speed of Light
8. The Red and Black
9. The Man of Sorrows


10. Tears of a Clown
11. The Great Unknown

I think maybe 'Arry's missed the mark a little on this, besides Shadows and the title track - a lot of that comes from just writing meandering, repetitive stuff.  The only two tracks I really don't care for much at all are Tears of a Clown and Great Unknown, otherwise the rest are on a fairly even keel.  To me this album is made all the more glorious for Bruce and Adrian's contributions, and Janick managed to write two absholute bangers.  Still incredibly stoked with it. 
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Post by: aurorablind on September 04, 2015, 12:00:37 AM
The Book of Souls is now available on Spotify!  :metal
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Post by: aurorablind on September 04, 2015, 12:05:29 AM
Song ranking so far:

1. The Book of Souls
2. If Eternity Should Fail
3. When the River Runs Deep
4. Empire of the Clouds
5. Tears of a Clown
6. Death or Glory
7. The Great Unknown
8. Speed of Light
9. The Man of Sorrows
10. The Red and the Black
11. Shadows of the Valley

Except for Shadows and parts of Red/Black there is really no weak track on this album.  :tup
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Post by: Zydar on September 04, 2015, 12:12:42 AM
It's way too early for me to rank them, I need many more spins to do that.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2015, 04:17:51 AM
It's way too early for me to rank them, I need many more spins to do that.

Even after many listens I don't think I can rank the songs, there's so much to digest here.
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 04, 2015, 05:41:18 AM
How do you spoil an album?
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 06:18:39 AM
How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 06:37:58 AM
The price difference here in Australia seems to be quite absurb between the editions.  $19.95 for the standard and $32.99 for the deluxe.  Considering it seems to be pretty much the same production, this is nuts.  Can any Aussies confirm, did anyone go and get it today?
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 04, 2015, 06:46:36 AM
How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.

I would get it if it were a concept album with plot points... but how does hearing about an album spoil it?
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 06:57:52 AM
How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.

I would get it if it were a concept album with plot points... but how does hearing about an album spoil it?

i don't know.  If anything I love reading all this stuff before hearing up, builds up the anticipation.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 04, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.

I would get it if it were a concept album with plot points... but how does hearing about an album spoil it?

That's what I was wondering too some pages ago. I had hoped that those who feared spoilers in the original thread would explain what there is to spoil.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2015, 07:31:02 AM
I guess if we all that the album sucked then in a way it could spoil it since it may turn people off from buying the album.... but that is not the case.
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Post by: goo-goo on September 04, 2015, 07:51:19 AM
So the main difference between the regular edition and the deluxe edition is the artwork? Does anybody know if the booklet from the regular edition is the same as the deluxe?

I'm picking this up shortly and I was thinking about getting both versions but I don't think I'm going to that...
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 04, 2015, 07:59:07 AM
On my second listen in. What a fucking amazing album!!!!!  :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 04, 2015, 08:00:07 AM
First listen done

So far so good. Will reserve formal judgement upon further listens
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Post by: devieira73 on September 04, 2015, 08:05:52 AM
Just a quick question: does anyone here knows if the artwork of the regular edition is the same of the deluxe edition? I'm wondering if the only difference is the size of the pages. Thanks!
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 04, 2015, 09:35:26 AM
I only have the deluxe version, so I can only guess that the pages are bigger and perhaps there´s an extra illustration, but I really don´t know.
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Post by: Riitasointi on September 04, 2015, 10:05:50 AM
Been listening to the album for a week now (yeah, I downloaded the leak and YES I bought the album today) and I must say, it actually is good. Better than TFF. Much better.

The sound is still not perfect, especially when it comes to the drums, but it's okay I guess. Some sloppy playing is still to be found as well but overall I think it's slightly tighter a performance compared to TFF. What makes this album good is, of course, the songwriting and Bruce's performance.

I will probably write a full review of sorts later but here's where I stand at the moment:

God Tier

Good
When The River Runs Deep
The Man Of Sorrows
The Great Unknown

Just Average
Shadows Of The Valley
Death Or Glory
Speed Of Light
Tears Of A Clown
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Post by: theseoafs on September 04, 2015, 10:06:34 AM
Just starting my first listen at work now.  Things are off to a good start with If Eternity Should Fail.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2015, 10:25:09 AM
God Tier
  • The Red And The Black - just love that instrumental section with solos and trademark Harris guitar melodies all over. It's golden.

Yes! Someone else on this forum who thinks this may be the best on the album.  This song is such a beast!  :metal[/list]
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2015, 11:23:42 AM
BoS has arrived chez Lowdz. Now to listen to this bad boy.
Nice package as the actress said to the bishop.
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Post by: amagr on September 04, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S
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Post by: Scorpion on September 04, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
I've never been one to get hung up on production, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I dig how it sounds. I find that the sound really fits the album.

Anyway, after my first listen, tentative favourites are If Eternity Should Fail, The Book of Souls, Tears of a Clown, Man of Sorrows and Empire of the Clouds. The Great Unknown and When the River Runs Deep were pretty forgettable on first listen, but not bad, and the rest ranges from good to great. In short: positive first impression - just starting my second listen now. :metal
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 04, 2015, 11:59:05 AM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S

It sounds like most post-2000 Maiden albums, I think, which is kind of good but not amazing.

They still have this 90s/80s metal vibe going on with their sound, which I don't think is a bad thing; but on the other hand we're used to such perfect, tight and crisp modern metal productions that Maiden can sound old fashioned when compared.
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Post by: amagr on September 04, 2015, 12:00:29 PM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S

It sounds like most post-2000 Maiden albums, I think, which is kind of good but not amazing.

They still have this 90s/80s metal vibe going on with their sound, which I don't think is a bad thing; but on the other hand we're used to such perfect, tight and crisp modern metal productions that Maiden can sound old fashioned when compared.
If you compare it to BNW its totally different, BNW has crystal clear drum sound and much better guitars.
But i have to say that deluxe edition cd is has awesemore artworks!
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Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2015, 12:04:12 PM
BNW is their peak of sound IMO.  I wouldn't say the production sucks at all, but its on par with the last two albums, nothing great, but not bad.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2015, 12:16:59 PM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S

It sounds like most post-2000 Maiden albums, I think, which is kind of good but not amazing.

They still have this 90s/80s metal vibe going on with their sound, which I don't think is a bad thing; but on the other hand we're used to such perfect, tight and crisp modern metal productions that Maiden can sound old fashioned when compared.

It's not awful sounding but maiden have never had great sounding albums. This 'live' sound is just laziness. What I do like on first spin is the use of acoustic guitars at times. My pet hate is when bands use electrics to sound like acoustics. I know that the epic epic has piano too but not got there yet.
Maiden albums have sounded samey for a long time so a bit of variety helps especially on long albums.
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Post by: devieira73 on September 04, 2015, 01:03:14 PM
I'm trying to guess who made the solos on this record. Below, these are my best bets:

1.    If eternity should fail - At the end, Smith with Bruce singing
2.    Speed of light - Murray/Smith
3.   The great unknown - Gers + Smith/Murray
4.   The red and the black - Murray/Gers + Smith
5.   When the river runs deep - Murray/Gers + Smith
6.   The book of souls - Murray + Gers/Smith
7.   Death or glory - Murray/Smith
8.   Shadown of the valley - Murray + Smith + Gers
9.   Tears of the clown - Smith/Murray
10.   The man of sorrows - Murray + Smith (by the way, a song with a very Fates Warning vibe!)
11.   Empire of the clouds - Murray + Smith

When "/" appears, it means the solos are in immediate sequence. When "+" appears, it means the solos are separated from each other.

Score: Smith - 11; Murray - 10 e Gers - 5.

Favorite solo: To my surprise, Gers in The great unknown. In fact, I think that it's so good, that I'm really uncertain if it is not from Smith! ;D
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Post by: TAC on September 04, 2015, 01:47:48 PM
This 'live' sound is just laziness.

Paul, I don't know if I agree with that. Steve Harris is the last guy I would characterize as "lazy". I just think he likes what he likes.
What he has carved out, however, is a signature sound for his band.

I sure as hell don't agree with his idea of DVD editing, that's for damn sure.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
This 'live' sound is just laziness.

Paul, I don't know if I agree with that. Steve Harris is the last guy I would characterize as "lazy". I just think he likes what he likes.
What he has carved out, however, is a signature sound for his band.

I sure as hell don't agree with his idea of DVD editing, that's for damn sure.

Laziness is probably the wrong word but he doesn't seem to want to spend the time presenting the music the best it could be. I'm sure I've heard that he doesn't enjoy being in the studio, maybe that's it. Let's get it done and get on the road.
And yeah, the DVDs are seizure inducing.
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Post by: Frosthawk on September 04, 2015, 02:03:37 PM
I don't think it's been talked about a whole lot, but I'm hearing a lot of things that are unique for Maiden with Man of Sorrows in particular. Everything from little stylistic inflections and even melodic progressions (the song begins in C minor which I don't know if I've heard Maiden do at all before) are things I wouldn't expect from them. It's cool!
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2015, 02:06:50 PM
I should say I've enjoyed the first play through. Some songs stood out more than others and some of it was quite familiar. Empire of the clouds was pretty fucking awesome, loved the piano and orchestration. This is how maiden should sound.
There's nothing to rival the 80s hits in terms of immediacy.
And the wasted years quote, that must be intentional, right?
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Post by: Anguyen92 on September 04, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
Man, I did not think that any album, released this year, would be more enjoyable to me than Mark Tremonti's Cauterize album, but somehow, this album did it. It felt one of those albums that Iron Maiden really played well to their strengths and deliver a tremendous album. I felt like there was no song that I felt I did not like. It's still a lot to take in and a lot of re-listening though to really get a solid vibe of the song.

Here are my favorites so far. Will be ever-changing of course.

If Eternity Should Fail. The Red and the Black, When the River Runs Deep, Tears of a Clown, and Empire of the Clouds.
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Post by: TAC on September 04, 2015, 02:38:42 PM
And the wasted years quote, that must be intentional, right?

Frankly I think this intro is completely unnecessary and ridiculous. I don't think Steve is lazy but I do think he's stubborn as hell.
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 03:34:34 PM
This 'live' sound is just laziness.

Paul, I don't know if I agree with that. Steve Harris is the last guy I would characterize as "lazy". I just think he likes what he likes.
What he has carved out, however, is a signature sound for his band.

I sure as hell don't agree with his idea of DVD editing, that's for damn sure.

I would.  Since DOD I would definitely call the production jobs lazy.  Steve can't fucking hear, people should let him have the final say on how an album should sound.
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Post by: theseoafs on September 04, 2015, 03:36:44 PM
I'm a little lukewarm on it right now.  It's a long album, but the question with double albums is always whether the material warrants the greater length.  I'm not yet 100% convinced that's the case -- in particular, a lot of the stuff on the second disc, with the exception of the closer, didn't really resonate with me.  We'll see how it grows on me over time though (and all IM albums always do). 
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Post by: jammindude on September 04, 2015, 03:44:30 PM
On my first listen as we speak.   Really liked Eternity...listening to Speed of Light for about the 5th time right now and it just keeps getting better.
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Post by: TAC on September 04, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
I'm a little lukewarm on it right now.  It's a long album, but the question with double albums is always whether the material warrants the greater length.  I'm not yet 100% convinced that's the case -- in particular, a lot of the stuff on the second disc, with the exception of the closer, didn't really resonate with me.  We'll see how it grows on me over time though (and all IM albums always do).

That is reasonable and I can't disagree. I'm more than lukewarm on it though. In its totality, this is a pretty solid album.


   Steve can't fucking hear, 
:lol
Do you think that's it? You might be right.
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 05:00:05 PM
Yeah, I think so.  I can't find anything through google but he's said before his hears are totally muffled from all the years of playing live without plugs.
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Post by: ozzy554 on September 04, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
I love this album :metal

My favorite track would have to be Empire of the clouds. I have listened to it multiple times.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 04, 2015, 08:31:17 PM
So my DTF account was suspended just because I said "the album has leaked" on this topic. I didn't post a link or anything, I just posted this bit of information. Ridiculous attitude by the moderator(s). I don't know the proper channels to address this, but although I enjoy this forum, I've had enough. You night as well cancel my account. Bye!!!
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Post by: theseoafs on September 04, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
see you later
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Post by: cramx3 on September 05, 2015, 03:06:54 AM
That doesn't seem right considering Bosk's response to the leak in this thread. Oh well.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 05, 2015, 03:07:45 AM
Empire of the Clouds really feels wayyyy shorter than 18 minutes, a sign of a great song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 05, 2015, 03:18:28 AM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/
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Post by: Scorpion on September 05, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
Definitely agree. Empire of the Clouds is amazing and feels like a 9-minute-song at most. Amazing vocal performance by Bruce too.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 05, 2015, 08:19:01 AM
Definitely agree. Empire of the Clouds is amazing and feels like a 9-minute-song at most. Amazing vocal performance by Bruce too.

Indeed. It's a great contrast from The Red and the Black, which just feels incredibly rushed and scatterbrained from Steve.

Plus, the nod to The Legacy in Empire is flat-out awesome.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 05, 2015, 10:30:48 AM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S

It sounds like most post-2000 Maiden albums, I think, which is kind of good but not amazing.

They still have this 90s/80s metal vibe going on with their sound, which I don't think is a bad thing; but on the other hand we're used to such perfect, tight and crisp modern metal productions that Maiden can sound old fashioned when compared.
If you compare it to BNW its totally different, BNW has crystal clear drum sound and much better guitars.
But i have to say that deluxe edition cd is has awesemore artworks!

Agreed! Brave New World is the peak of their sound production, hence the post-2000 thing  :D
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Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2015, 10:32:15 AM
I can not get enough of this album. Empire Of The Clouds is one of their best songs in a very long time, I get chills when I hear it.
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Post by: NotePad on September 05, 2015, 10:53:08 AM
I haven't heard the album yet, is it more like BNW or AMOLAD in terms of production? Allow me to elaborate: polished like BNW, or raw like AMOLAD?
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Post by: jammindude on September 05, 2015, 11:11:23 AM
 I would say raw, but in a good way. I personally think a matter of life and death is the greatest reunion album by a longshot! But this one is giving it a run for it's money.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 05, 2015, 12:10:31 PM
it's definitely more in the raw side
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Post by: Vahvahenki on September 05, 2015, 12:30:31 PM
After one listen I can only say that this will definitely surpass TFF but apart from that, it's too early to say. Something I did manage to do was make some alternate front covers using the illiustrations from the booklet. I might just use these for my digital library as the regular cover is about as boring as watching paint fall from an apple.

(https://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i374/WhatABoringName/book_of_souls_alternate.jpg)          (https://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i374/WhatABoringName/book_of_souls_alternate2.jpg)
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 05, 2015, 12:32:08 PM
The first one is amazing.
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Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2015, 12:34:36 PM
Wow, great job!
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 05, 2015, 01:45:27 PM
Those album arts are awesome. I've been using the this one:

(https://www.grande-rock.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large/imagesnews/ironmaiden-thebookofsouls-cover-2015.jpg)

But I might actually use one of yours as they are very sweet. The plain black back ground does nothing for me.


but despite anything, the music is excellent  :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 05, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
All those covers are great!!

Loving this album big time.

If Eternity Should Fail just might be my favorite track right now from the disc.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 05, 2015, 01:51:41 PM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/

"#13 The Final Frontier"

Lol no
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 05, 2015, 01:51:57 PM
As some of you may or may not know, I only just got into IM about 3 weeks ago. I bought the first 7 albums and love all of them to death. I intend on listening to the whole discography in order. However, I just bought TBoS solely because I wanted to experience a new release with everyone else.

I just finished my first listen, and what an album! The title track is one of the best things I've heard from them yet! If Eternity Should Fail and Empire of the Clouds are amazing as well, but this one requires multiple listens for sure! Cheers everybody!
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 05, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
There is a lot to digest on this one
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Post by: TAC on September 05, 2015, 02:17:37 PM
I'm glad everyone is liking IESF. Other than the beginning, I personally feel it's one of the weaker tracks.
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Post by: TAC on September 05, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/
I'll read it in full when I get home, but he's got a pretty good write up for FOTD.
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Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2015, 02:33:40 PM
I'm with you TAC. It is good but not among my favourites.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 05, 2015, 02:52:53 PM
The bottom two are the only acceptable bottom two. Although I would reverse the order.
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Post by: Scorpion on September 05, 2015, 03:14:32 PM
Not sure how stuff would rank, but at the moment, my Top 3 are Empire of the Clouds (clear first!), The Book of Souls and The Man of Sorrows.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 05, 2015, 03:16:30 PM
Not sure how stuff would rank, but at the moment, my Top 3 are Empire of the Clouds (clear first!), The Book of Souls and The Man of Sorrows.

I pretty much agree. I'm also really fond of If Eternity Should Fail though. :metal
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 05, 2015, 04:02:49 PM
I only had time to listen to the first five tracks last week. And then I thought I'd wait for the official release. Amazon screwed up and didn't deliver yesterday but the vinyl and CD both arrived today. As I type, I am finally listening to Empire of the Clouds for the first time (I've just listened to the other five tracks for the first time - Book of Souls was a little disappointing at first blush) - at six minutes down, this is marvellous. My goodness. Maiden breaking new ground after all this time. Wonderful.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 05, 2015, 04:21:41 PM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/

"#13 The Final Frontier"

Lol no

Why "lol no"? It's one person's opinion.

A Matter of Life and Death would probably be bottom of the rankings for me but I wouldn't 'lol no' at anyone choosing to put it first.
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Post by: TAC on September 05, 2015, 05:04:57 PM
A Matter of Life and Death would probably be bottom of the rankings for me

lol no  ;D
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 05, 2015, 05:10:06 PM
A Matter of Life and Death would probably be bottom of the rankings for me

lol no  ;D

Laugh it up, fuzzball  ;D

I think people forget all these rankings are objective; nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 05, 2015, 05:27:05 PM
So in the months prior to the Book of Souls I've been listening to some of Maiden United's acoustic covers. And while I wasn't overly fond of their first two albums, I think their new one, Remembrance (2015), is pretty great. This time, there also are more vocalists and instrumentalists involved, making quite a notable difference.

Some of the new covers:

Aces High https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-UfaF23UlE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-UfaF23UlE) Love the build up and vocal harmonies here.
Futureal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLTptHT9nw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLTptHT9nw) Interesting cover, with Blaze Bayley himself singing the song.
Still Life (2015 version):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWL8xtpSM8c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWL8xtpSM8c) Much better than their previous cover of this song.
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Post by: TAC on September 05, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
A Matter of Life and Death would probably be bottom of the rankings for me

lol no  ;D

Laugh it up, fuzzball  ;D

I think people forget all these rankings are objective; nothing more, nothing less.

It's really a testament to how strong their entire discography really is.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 05, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
First impression is good! Hearing some fresh elements here as well, which is great. I think the two disc format works well in this case. Not many moments that dragged or repeated too much on first listen, which is something their last few albums' epics tend to do at times.
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Post by: 425 on September 05, 2015, 07:22:11 PM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/

"#13 The Final Frontier"

Lol no

Why "lol no"? It's one person's opinion.

A Matter of Life and Death would probably be bottom of the rankings for me but I wouldn't 'lol no' at anyone choosing to put it first.


That was my shorthand at "wow, this person doesn't like my favorite Maiden album? I stringently disagree and given my own experience with that album I find it very hard to believe that someone would rate it that low!"

But seriously, TFF and AMOLAD not in the top 5? lol no.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 05, 2015, 11:01:06 PM
TFF is in my bottom half while AMOLAD is #1
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 05, 2015, 11:12:23 PM
Anyone see the mention of the Maiden-brand headphones in the liner notes?  Ed-Phones. lol. SIGN ME UP
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Post by: 425 on September 05, 2015, 11:41:41 PM
You get a pass for putting AMOLAD at #1.

Also I was being somewhat hyperbolic earlier. You don't have to put those albums high for me to respect your opinion. I mostly meant to say that I was uninterested in reading further in that person's article because it seemed to be written from the perspective of someone who is not a big fan of the last few albums, which is fine, but which is totally opposite from my own view, and since I have read so many sets of opinions on all the Iron Maiden albums, I don't feel the need to read the negative things that someone who I don't know has to say about the reunion albums.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on September 06, 2015, 02:23:11 AM
I'm still not sure about the ranking but TRatB is among my favorites, I have no idea why people say it's one of the worst  :huh:
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 05:39:09 AM
Here is his 12-10 rankings:

https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-12-10/

These are all remarkably well written. I have been saying exactly what he says in his VXI write up. That there was no one around to provide Steve any balance to the band.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:04:02 AM
Alright, I ended up getting the deluxe.  There's nothing special about it just a nice big heavy packaging.  It's Maiden so I had to get it.  I will probably end up getting the normal one at some stage too.  I've only listened to the first cd but I've listened to it about 4 times now.  Fuck this is quite spectacular.  Here's my thoughts on the songs;

If Eternity Should Fail - IMO, at the moment, the best song of the disc, it's just incredible.  Bruce's vocals here might be some of the best I've ever heard from him.  His voice just sounds so beastly and godlike here.  The key of D certainly fits his voice perfectly and it's easy to hear the solo material comparison, and that he wrote it himself (presumably with Roy)  It's a pure mix of Chemical and Tyranny, great stuff.  I love the middle section with the harmonies and I actually liked how it didn't go into guitar soloing, the whole song works really well.

Speed of Light - We know this one, it's cool in the flow of the album and with this one, I still think Bruce actually sounds a bit weak in the chorus, but it's a typical Maiden single which slots in nicely.

The Great Unknown - It was difficult to get anything out of this after one listen, the structure is a bit strange IMO, but it's opening up to be a very powerful tune.  The first minute and a half reminded me of Mother of Mercy.  Great pre chorus here and Bruce sounds amazing once again.  The chorus is a real grower and to me doesn't seem to differ to much from the verse melody which threw me off, but I'm really liking this one.

TRATB - Fuck yeah, don't know why people rate this one as a weak track, this shit is killer.  Steve's Blood on the Worlds Hands inspired intro gave me chills and once the band kicks in reminded me heavily of Run Silent Run Deep at first.  Then we realise that it's pretty much a Rime redo with some of the chugging so blatant, but really who could give a fuck.  All the melodies here work perfectly and I really like the whoa whoa parts, obviously written for a live setting.  Bruce sounding incredible again and the instrumental section is just godlike. Everything needs to be there IMO. I have no problem with the length and happy to listen to this one for 14 minutes, vintage Maiden, love it.

When the River Runs Deep - This has Adrians name written all over it, yet the name riff is Man on the Edge.  I don't really know what to make of this track yet, because for me, it doesn't really remind me of anything Maiden has really done.  just reminds me of a standard H New Frontier type song.  Great energy though and the chorus seemed to drag it down at first but now is infectious.  Some of the riffing though also has an old school Maiden feel.  A fine addition to the album.

The Book of Souls - Janick's songwriting has been one of my favourite aspects of him since the whole reunion era started.  His song writing adds so a different approach and this is no different.  Easily recognizable as a Janick contribution reminding heavily of the Talisman and especially DOD.  Bruce again just fucking controls this album and sounds so beastly here.  The phrygian verses are a perfect touch and the chorus is one of the best here where Bruce again dominates.  Have a listen closely to the chords in the chorus and see if you can pick which metal classic it's borrowed from.  The whole breakdown is probably the grooviest part of disc one and it just continues to grow.  Great solos again where the boys seem to have put a lot more thought into their leads this time around.  Perfect end to disc one.

I have no issues with the production either thankfully.  It's miles ahead of DOD and TFF and is a mix of BNW and AMOLAD.  I don't mind the rawness of what Maiden have been doing but the mudiness of DOD and TFF just hurt IMO.  I'm exhausted and completely satisfied with what I've heard and I haven't even heard the masterpiece yet.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:07:29 AM
1.    If eternity should fail - At the end, Smith with Bruce singing
2.    Speed of light - Murray/Smith
3.   The great unknown - Gers + Smith/Murray
4.   The red and the black - Murray/Gers + Smith
5.   When the river runs deep - Murray/Gers + Smith
6.   The book of souls - Murray + Gers/Smith

For the first disc at least, this seems right except TRATB.  You missed a solo by H first so - H/Murray/Gers + H.
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Post by: Zydar on September 06, 2015, 06:07:43 AM
Great writeup Wolf! Looking forward to your thoughts about the 2nd disc.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:09:04 AM
Great writeup Wolf! Looking forward to your thoughts about the 2nd disc.

It's 10pm here, don't know if I should get a listen in now.  Just finished my fourth listen of disc 1.  Might as well haha.

I might post my initial reactions here as I listen to it for the first time.
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Post by: bl5150 on September 06, 2015, 06:11:22 AM
at six minutes down, this is marvellous. My goodness.

My favourite part of the album by far
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:14:45 AM
Death or Glory has H's name written all over it again.  These punchier songs are adding a nice touch to the album and this one in particular reminds me of really old school Maiden, like maybe Killers or something.  Again, quite different for Maiden.  The solos are possibly my favourite so far too from Dave and H, brilliant leads.  At the end of the song and this one is brilliant, great song.


7.   Death or glory - Murray/Smith

Yep.  Fav solos I think even out of everything from Disc 1.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:23:35 AM
Shadows of the Valley - I'm guessing that intro is somewhat intentional but Janick wrote it and then I heard the line Sea of Madness so I'm gonna say so.  Maybe he's getting H back for ripping of his White Spirit song.  The verse is a direct rip off of The Fallen Angel too.  Bruce owning everyone yet again.  Good chorus on this one again, something that this album shines with.  A bit different for a Janick song, but the instrumental lines feel like him a lot.  He likes the Montsegur lead riff too.  I hear it in this one and it's in the title track.  This enstrumental section is quite insane though.

"Into the valley of death fear no evil, we will go forward............."

Fuck, this part could the best thing on the album yet, holy shit, this part is fucking incredible.

8.   Shadown of the valley - Murray + Smith + Gers

I think you got Murray and Gers mixed around on first listen.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:28:47 AM
Tears of A Clown - Not much to say with this one on first listen, except it really reminds me of something that should be on say, Accident of Birth.  A fine enough song and well placed, just doesn't hit on the first listen like the last two crackers did.

9.   Tears of the clown - Smith/Murray

Seems legit.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:36:31 AM
The Man of Sorrows - Very dark and different song here which oozes Dave's writing style.  It was hard to pick up the melodies in the verses and such but when that instrumental key change hit and Bruce's vocals raised, it gave me chills.  That last key change was orgasmic too.  Wow. This needs way more listens.

10.   The man of sorrows - Murray + Smith (by the way, a song with a very Fates Warning vibe!)

i can hear the FW vibe man.  Yes, but at the end Janick does a solo.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:56:59 AM
I don't know what to make of Empire, I'm speechless.  I'm just bewildered that after almost 40 years Maiden have done something completely new and original.  I honestly don't know what to say except, wow.
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
Great write ups, Kade!



Is it me or are Dave's solos a little dirtier?


And no one has mentioned yet, but to me, the most underrated performer of the Reunion era is Nicko. He is incredible on this album.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 06, 2015, 09:52:45 AM
Yeah, Nicko is kickin´ arse all over the place, but the whole band is in fine form. Am I just missing that distinctive bassline from Harris?
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Post by: 425 on September 06, 2015, 09:56:27 AM
Yeah, his VXI writeup was pretty good, though I'd give The Angel and the Gambler a little more credit (it's a seriously good song that's four or five minutes too long) and Don't Look to the Eyes of the Stranger more credit as well (good concept, works decently but is shaky at times, partially due to bad production).
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 10:01:34 AM
Yeah, his VXI writeup was pretty good, though I'd give The Angel and the Gambler a little more credit (it's a seriously good song that's four or five minutes too long) and Don't Look to the Eyes of the Stranger more credit as well (good concept, works decently but is shaky at times, partially due to bad production).

Well, IMO TAATG deserves all of the flack it gets, but I am a big fan of DLTTEOAS. A bit repetitive in the middle with the "Don't look to" part, but the instrumental part at the end is one of the finest in their catalog.
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 10:02:07 AM
It's there. I hear it just fine.
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Post by: 425 on September 06, 2015, 10:04:25 AM
I think DLTTEOAS as well, though maybe not quite that much.

I think TAATG deserves every bit of "Oy, 'Arry, why is the chorus in here 36 times?" but not that much other criticism. For example, some like to say "and it's not even a good chorus anyway," which I disagree with, I think it's a perfectly fine chorus, I think you're likely to get annoyed with it because you've heard it 36 times.
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 10:13:47 AM
No, the first 36 times is fine. It's the second 36 that gets to me. ;D
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Post by: cramx3 on September 06, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
Great write ups, Kade!



Is it me or are Dave's solos a little dirtier?


And no one has mentioned yet, but to me, the most underrated performer of the Reunion era is Nicko. He is incredible on this album.

Nico has been amazing the last few albums.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 06, 2015, 10:39:09 AM
I honestly don't think there is a single thing I like about tAatG. It literally makes the album my least favorite by IM. If you took it out, I'd rate V11 higher than FotD and NPftD
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 06, 2015, 10:43:13 AM
I cannot believe this band has made a near perfect double album so late in their career. Incredible. Easily top 3.
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Post by: Mladen on September 06, 2015, 10:47:50 AM
Great write ups, Kade!
Fantastic write ups.  :metal
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 10:47:59 AM
I don't think I've heard TAATG more than a half dozen times, and all from when the album came out. They did play it live on that tour. That didn't even help.
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Post by: Mladen on September 06, 2015, 10:57:39 AM
I've never really thought Steve was in control on Virtual XI. He had far more influence on the back-to-the-roots approach on NPFTD and FOTD, it was basically his idea, and The X Factor was also driven by him quite a bit, the dark nature of the album is apparently influenced by the events in his life. With VXI, I hear a lot more band effort, even though Steve is credited on most of the songs. He actually doesn't sound as enthusiastic on it as much as on the previous records, some biographies mention that he considered disbanding the band at that point but the rest of the guys wanted to continue.
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Post by: 425 on September 06, 2015, 11:07:25 AM
*shrugs*

I just listened to the radio edit of The Angel and the Gambler again. This song still rocks. Wish they'd done an edit that was around 5-6 minutes and included the second set of verses.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 06, 2015, 11:09:17 AM
This album is worth buying for the title track alone, IMO
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 06, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
After finally getting myself familiarized with the first 7 albums, my favorite is...........

























Somewhere In Time  ;D
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Post by: 425 on September 06, 2015, 11:11:49 AM
Somewhere In Time is awesome. Has my favorite Adrian Smith guitar solo in Stranger In a Strange Land.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 06, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
Somewhere In Time is awesome. Has my favorite Adrian Smith guitar solo in Stranger In a Strange Land.

YES! I totally agree! Solo is great in the title track as well
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Post by: cramx3 on September 06, 2015, 11:14:00 AM
Can't argue with someone who puts SiT as #1, an amazing album.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 06, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
I know Seventh Son is a popular one and honestly, I was a little underwhelmed after my first listen. But I have faith that it'll be a grower.
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 12:30:20 PM
I've never really thought Steve was in control on Virtual XI. He had far more influence on the back-to-the-roots approach on NPFTD and FOTD, it was basically his idea, and The X Factor was also driven by him quite a bit, the dark nature of the album is apparently influenced by the events in his life. With VXI, I hear a lot more band effort, even though Steve is credited on most of the songs. He actually doesn't sound as enthusiastic on it as much as on the previous records, some biographies mention that he considered disbanding the band at that point but the rest of the guys wanted to continue.

I agree with most of this. I wouldn't call it a loss of control per se, but VXI does feel like a cohesive team effort, whereas TXF feels like a Steve Harris solo album.  VXI has more of a classic Maiden feel to it, and that was evident right off the bat.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 06, 2015, 12:31:19 PM
I don't know what to make of Empire, I'm speechless.  I'm just bewildered that after almost 40 years Maiden have done something completely new and original.  I honestly don't know what to say except, wow.

I can't stop listening to it. It's a bit sacrilegious but I've done the cd for the car with EotC as the first track of disc two so I don't have to wait, and Again at the end. It flies by. How can an 18 minute song do that?
The orchestration makes a huge difference and makes me want to hear other Maiden songs with those lush sounds in there.
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Post by: Zydar on September 06, 2015, 12:40:51 PM
I don't know what to make of Empire, I'm speechless.  I'm just bewildered that after almost 40 years Maiden have done something completely new and original.  I honestly don't know what to say except, wow.

It flies by. How can an 18 minute song do that?

That is so true. That song does NOT feel like it's 18 minutes long.

In fact, the whole album doesn't feel like it's 92 minutes - it goes by quicker than that.
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
I don't know what to make of Empire, I'm speechless.  I'm just bewildered that after almost 40 years Maiden have done something completely new and original.  I honestly don't know what to say except, wow.

I can't stop listening to it. It's a bit sacrilegious but I've done the cd for the car with EotC as the first track of disc two so I don't have to wait, and Again at the end. It flies by. How can an 18 minute song do that?
The orchestration makes a huge difference and makes me want to hear other Maiden songs with those lush sounds in there.

You could've just made one CD with EOTC on it  6 times!  ;D
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Post by: Mladen on September 06, 2015, 12:53:33 PM
Somewhere In Time  ;D
Perfect choice.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 06, 2015, 12:57:55 PM
EOTC is mental. Listening to it now and it has immediately become one of my favorite maiden tunes  :metal

There's so much diversity and value to this album, its crazy. So very happy.
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Post by: mikemangioy on September 06, 2015, 01:55:38 PM
This album is pure gold  :hefdaddy
Empire Of The Clouds goes straight into my top five Maiden songs!
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Post by: devieira73 on September 06, 2015, 03:07:32 PM
1.    If eternity should fail - At the end, Smith with Bruce singing
2.    Speed of light - Murray/Smith
3.   The great unknown - Gers + Smith/Murray
4.   The red and the black - Murray/Gers + Smith
5.   When the river runs deep - Murray/Gers + Smith
6.   The book of souls - Murray + Gers/Smith

For the first disc at least, this seems right except TRATB.  You missed a solo by H first so - H/Murray/Gers + H.

Cool! I'll listen again with more attention  :tup
By the way, the solos are very inspired overall this time IMO!
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 03:45:43 PM
I don't know what to make of Empire, I'm speechless.  I'm just bewildered that after almost 40 years Maiden have done something completely new and original.  I honestly don't know what to say except, wow.

I can't stop listening to it. It's a bit sacrilegious but I've done the cd for the car with EotC as the first track of disc two so I don't have to wait, and Again at the end. It flies by. How can an 18 minute song do that?
The orchestration makes a huge difference and makes me want to hear other Maiden songs with those lush sounds in there.

When I listened to it, I actually thought it could work as the opener, even the opener for the whole album.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 04:51:07 PM
Don't understand some of the low rankings with TRATB, definitely top 3 for me, amazing tune.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 06, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
Great write ups!!

This album is awesome
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:00:29 PM
Great write ups!!

This album is awesome

It really is.  I just finished my second listen of the second disc, and it's wonderful.  Empire of the Clouds is just glorious, what a piece of work.  Man of Sorrows is also just so different and brilliant.  This album is fucking gold.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 06, 2015, 06:07:37 PM
I already like it better then TFF
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:17:12 PM
TFF was such a grower for me but TBOS seems teh opposite.  It's easy to like this album just after a couple of listens.  I hope it doesn't have the opposite effect and tire quickly, but I think this has potential to be a Maiden album high in the rankings.

I was questioning the hype as most people raving would be die hard fans anyway, but after hearing it, this could be the real deal.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 06, 2015, 06:19:36 PM
Its temporarily out of stock on amazon. 

And its still ranked number #1
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 06:21:03 PM
Its temporarily out of stock on amazon. 

And its still ranked number #1

Fucking should be.  Everyone needs to go and buy a copy of this album, should be number 1 worldwide.
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Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 06:25:19 PM
Having a bit of a time deciphering the Gers/Murray solos. Either Murray is dirtier or Gers is finer.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 06, 2015, 07:31:41 PM
I do think Davey's gone a little mongrel on this one with his solos, and there are some memorable wah solos.  I can usually tell its him when he goes into his trills.  janick still peddling the same licks and phrases he has since forever.
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Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2015, 08:14:00 PM
Murray's tone certainly is dirtier than normal.  dieveria pretty much got it right 2 pages back, I just corrected 2 of them I think.  There were a couple I wasn't sure on first listen I wasn't sure if it was Gers or Murray.  Here is the credits which I'm 99% positive on;

If Eternity Should Fail - ad lib outro - Smith
Speed of Light - Murray/Smith - main lead melody line sounds like Smith too
The Great Unknown - Middle solo - Gers - Outro section - Smith/Murray
The Red and the Black - Main solos - Smith/Gers/Murray - later section - Smith
When the River Runs Deep - Murray/Gers - after harmony section - Smith
The Book of Souls - Murray - later section - Gers/Smith - ab lib outro sounds like Murray

Death or Glory - Murray/Smith
Shadows of the Valley - Gers/Smith - after "into the valley.." section - Murray
Tears of A Clown - Smith/Murray
The Man of Sorrows - Intro - Murray - main solos - Murray/Smith  - Outro - Gers
Empire of the Clouds - Murray then Smith
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Post by: The Curious Orange on September 07, 2015, 05:22:34 AM
Wow. Just wow. Been listening to this all weekend, and it's a brilliant mix of exactly what you'd expect from Maiden, with some new elements to keep it fresh, and some excellent guitar work. I can't quite believe this band could make an album this good at this stage in their career. Which is more or less what I said about the lest few albums.  Loving it, and can't wait for the tour!
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Post by: cramx3 on September 07, 2015, 05:38:33 AM
One of the biggest complaints of IM is the repeating of the same line or word in the chorus.... yea they completely avoided that this album.
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Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2015, 05:54:10 AM
One of the biggest complaints of IM is the repeating of the same line or word in the chorus.... yea they completely avoided that this album.

I didn't even notice this to be honest, but you're right, and that's probably a factor at why this is so fresh and inventive.

And, the title track and TRATB are easily locked in for the tour IMO.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 07, 2015, 06:04:37 AM
One of the biggest complaints of IM is the repeating of the same line or word in the chorus.... yea they completely avoided that this album.

I didn't even notice this to be honest, but you're right, and that's probably a factor at why this is so fresh and inventive.

And, the title track and TRATB are easily locked in for the tour IMO.

With Mayan imagery and some sort of pyramid as the backdrop.
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Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2015, 06:07:26 AM
They might bring Powerslave back out too since the theme is somewhat similar.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 07, 2015, 08:25:55 AM
So far I think my favorites are:

1. When the river runs deep (insanely catchy and always stuck in my head)
2. Empire of the clouds (just epic)
3. Tears of the clown (very catchy)
4.The man of sorrow (lots of cool melodic stuff going on)
5. The red and the black (just a kick ass song)

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Post by: jjrock88 on September 07, 2015, 09:05:23 AM
You can't go wrong picking any song as your favorite from this album
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Post by: NotePad on September 07, 2015, 09:26:55 AM
After one listen I can only say that this will definitely surpass TFF but apart from that, it's too early to say. Something I did manage to do was make some alternate front covers using the illiustrations from the booklet. I might just use these for my digital library as the regular cover is about as boring as watching paint fall from an apple.

(https://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i374/WhatABoringName/book_of_souls_alternate.jpg)          (https://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i374/WhatABoringName/book_of_souls_alternate2.jpg)

Looks like you were using some designs from Quake 1
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Post by: jammindude on September 07, 2015, 09:27:45 AM
One of the biggest complaints of IM is the repeating of the same line or word in the chorus.... yea they completely avoided that this album.

Exactly why it's hitting me so hard....and exactly why so many of their other albums since 1990 have been such a turn off for me.
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Post by: TAC on September 07, 2015, 01:26:40 PM
You can't go wrong picking any song as your favorite from this album

Yes you can. A WIDE gap between the best and the worst.
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Post by: ozzy554 on September 07, 2015, 02:03:52 PM
One of the biggest complaints of IM is the repeating of the same line or word in the chorus.... yea they completely avoided that this album.

That seems to mainly be a Steve Harris thing. I heard that he wasnt as involved in the writing for this album as he usually is.
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Post by: TAC on September 07, 2015, 02:49:31 PM
Anyone see the mention of the Maiden-brand headphones in the liner notes?  Ed-Phones. lol. SIGN ME UP

(https://www.ironmaiden.com/fefiles/images/edphones_ifa.jpg)

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2015, 03:13:57 PM
One of the biggest complaints of IM is the repeating of the same line or word in the chorus.... yea they completely avoided that this album.

That seems to mainly be a Steve Harris thing. I heard that he wasnt as involved in the writing for this album as he usually is.

He had one or two deaths close to him I think I read.  I don't know anything about it though or what exactly happened.
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Post by: Nick on September 07, 2015, 03:17:02 PM
Anyone see the mention of the Maiden-brand headphones in the liner notes?  Ed-Phones. lol. SIGN ME UP

(https://www.ironmaiden.com/fefiles/images/edphones_ifa.jpg)

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

As with most branded headphones, chances are you're going to get better headphones for less. It's cool, but I highly doubt there would ever be any good reason to buy them.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 07, 2015, 04:50:01 PM
ONKYO immediately turns me off, but they look awesome as shit.

And, the title track and TRATB are easily locked in for the tour IMO.

Yep.  I'd love for IESF to open the show, I think that'd be epic. 

Speed of Light will almost certainly be played, which is fine by me. 

I'm hoping for When The River Runs Deep and/or Death or Glory. 

Also Bruce said on that Eddie Trunk interview that Empire was definitely not going to be played live, which was what I expected. 
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Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2015, 04:53:42 PM
Yeah, Speed of Light is a given and they will more than likely do another faster one like one of those two you mentioned I think.

I'm actually fine with Empire not being played live, I don't think it would suit a live Maiden show to be honest.  I'd much rather see TRATB, TBOS, and would certainly love IESF, that should be the opener.  Valley would be cool too.  Clown, Sorrows and Unknown I think also wouldn't work in a live Maiden show.

I'm surprisingly happy with the production on this one too.  Happpiest I've been since BNW.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 07, 2015, 05:08:00 PM
It definitely has a similar production style; when the albums run into each other on iTunes they sound very similar indeed.  To me it has the right amount of 'crunch' that sits it between AMOLAD and BNW, which others have mentioned. 

How would everyone rank it with the other reunion ones, or is it too early to say?  For me its very close to being the best since BNW, maybe even bettering it over time as it reaches 'classic' status. 
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Post by: ErHaO on September 07, 2015, 05:15:05 PM
Loving it so far. And the production is definitely better than the previous two to my ears.

Ranking is hard to say, but this one has a "special" feeling to it. The album has some elements that feel fresh in terms of songwriting, is their longest (yet seems consisten in quality), paces well, and has a big epic that delivers.
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Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2015, 05:17:44 PM
For me its very close to being the best since BNW, maybe even bettering it over time as it reaches 'classic' status.

I think this could be quite possible.

I also think TRATB might be my fav from the whole disc, I think it's fucking brilliant, even though it's the most generic.  And the 6 minute instrumental section is among the best they have ever done IMO.
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Post by: TAC on September 07, 2015, 05:19:10 PM
Told ya!
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Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2015, 05:23:29 PM
Told ya!

About the instrumental section?  Yeah man, it's godlike.  Some of the melodies in that section are some of the most lucious melodies since some of those SIT ones.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 07, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
I dunno man...  I'll give it another listen, objectively - I think every subsequent listen of it has been coloured by my first impression of it, which wasn't that great.

Again, maybe it's just because of its competition on the album - Empire, Book of Souls, IESF are all long songs, but they certainly don't feel that way because of how engaging they are.  In comparison TRaTB seems to meander through a bunch of changes (well-trodden ones no less) without any real coherence.  It just feels long for the sake of being long.

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Post by: TAC on September 07, 2015, 05:43:49 PM
While I don't think TRaTB is going to be confused with any Harris masterpieces, I totally dig the long instrumental part. I wish Maiden would do more of that kind of thing. I wish ALL bands would do more of that kind of thing.

And after Empire and the Title Track, it's easily my 3rd favorite tune on the album.

And I hate to say it Sneak, but while I love the album as a whole, I don't think there's that much competition.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 07, 2015, 05:59:05 PM
While I don't think TRaTB is going to be confused with any Harris masterpieces, I totally dig the long instrumental part. I wish Maiden would do more of that kind of thing. I wish ALL bands would do more of that kind of thing..

I think the fact that it cracks the 10 minute without relying on lengthy breakdowns (SSOASS, Rime, SOTC, etc) is admirable in itself - I just think there are a few issues with the execution in this case.

I think the song would be much stronger if they cut down on the similar sounding guitar melodies that happen either side of Bruce's 'the red and the blaaaack' melody.  If they got to the Sabbath-y sounding breakdown that happens around 11:40-50 ish quicker, it would be much stronger.  But yknow, opinions and that.

Its definitely not as bad as I thought it was, upon closer inspection.  If it appeared on an album as THE epic, it'd probably be fantastic, but up against songs that make far better use of their time (Empire, BoS, IESF) it pales in comparison. 
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Post by: Dream Team on September 07, 2015, 06:15:56 PM
Wow, this is much better than I expected after some pans I read. Nothing terribly weak and Bruce sounds awesome. Also loving the dirtier wah-drenched solos. Too early to rank it but I can rank the Eras:

Classic Era

Reunion Era (getting closer to Classic after another great album)



Di'Anno Era

90's Bruce Era







Blaze Era
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Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2015, 06:17:38 PM
I think the song would be much stronger if they cut down on the similar sounding guitar melodies that happen either side of Bruce's 'the red and the blaaaack' melody.  If they got to the Sabbath-y sounding breakdown that happens around 11:40-50 ish quicker, it would be much stronger.  But yknow, opinions and that.

No freaking way dude.  It's all brilliant the way it is, IMO, it all needs to be there and has a place.


I totally dig the long instrumental part. I wish Maiden would do more of that kind of thing. I wish ALL bands would do more of that kind of thing.

Agree 110%.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 07, 2015, 07:14:15 PM
I think the song would be much stronger if they cut down on the similar sounding guitar melodies that happen either side of Bruce's 'the red and the blaaaack' melody.  If they got to the Sabbath-y sounding breakdown that happens around 11:40-50 ish quicker, it would be much stronger.  But yknow, opinions and that.

No freaking way dude.  It's all brilliant the way it is, IMO, it all needs to be there and has a place.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!  :lol  Fair enough though. 

I'm actually fine with Empire not being played live, I don't think it would suit a live Maiden show to be honest.

It would be fantastic if they one day did it with an orchestra behind them, as a one off thing for a dvd or something.  It doesn't scream MAIDEN to me but it'd still be awesome.  I think Bruce would be into it.  Maybe for a solo show or summat. 
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Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2015, 07:30:22 PM
I think the song would be much stronger if they cut down on the similar sounding guitar melodies that happen either side of Bruce's 'the red and the blaaaack' melody.  If they got to the Sabbath-y sounding breakdown that happens around 11:40-50 ish quicker, it would be much stronger.  But yknow, opinions and that.

No freaking way dude.  It's all brilliant the way it is, IMO, it all needs to be there and has a place.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!  :lol  Fair enough though. 

I'm actually fine with Empire not being played live, I don't think it would suit a live Maiden show to be honest.

It would be fantastic if they one day did it with an orchestra behind them, as a one off thing for a dvd or something.  It doesn't scream MAIDEN to me but it'd still be awesome.  I think Bruce would be into it.  Maybe for a solo show or summat.

That's all good bro, everyone has their opinions.

And yeah, a one off thing like you mentioned would totally be cool.  I think it's the type of piece built for that sort of thing, I don't think it's a song you'd play night after night in a regular concert, it's just that special of a piece.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 07, 2015, 11:56:05 PM
First listen yesterday and the first impression is great. Sounds more Reunion Maiden than classic Maiden but that's no surprise. I don't mind the production, it's what was to be expected, it seems that this is how they want to sound like.

Much to take in but the first standouts are Eternity, The Red and the Black and Empire. Speed of Light is nice also. I have to listen to it way more times before I can form some kind of opinion, but I think this record sounds fresh and inspired an could grow to be up there with my favorites. We'll see.
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Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2015, 04:42:02 AM
The first disc is so damn good I can't stop spinning it.  To be honest, I don't have much time for the second at this point, the first is too addictive.  If they just released disc one as the album, I'm would be super satisfied.  Disc two feels like a bonus.
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Post by: Zydar on September 08, 2015, 04:44:58 AM
Okay, my Top 3 right now:

1. Empire Of The Clouds
2. The Red And The Black
3. The Book Of Souls
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Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2015, 04:54:17 AM
1. The Red and The Black
2. If Eternity Should Fail
3. The Book of Souls

Not sure if anything from the second disc can crack these three, Empire included.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 08, 2015, 05:12:28 AM
When the River Runs Deep... earworm is driving me mad! :metal
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Post by: Scorpion on September 08, 2015, 05:24:27 AM
1. Empire of the Clouds
2. The Man of Sorrows
3. The Book of Souls
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 08, 2015, 06:24:15 AM
1. Empire of the Clouds
2. The Man of Sorrows
3. The Book of Souls
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Post by: Train of Naught on September 08, 2015, 06:26:49 AM
Empire of the Clouds is definitely my favorite on here, also like to mention that the single Speed of Light was so much different than all/most of the other tracks, they had me thinking that this album was going to be way different, but I'm glad with how it turned out.
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Post by: Zydar on September 08, 2015, 06:29:40 AM
The Man Of Sorrows is the only track here that hasn't really struck my fancy. I'm sure it will though, after a few more spins.
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Post by: NotePad on September 08, 2015, 09:42:03 AM
I've never really thought Steve was in control on Virtual XI. He had far more influence on the back-to-the-roots approach on NPFTD and FOTD, it was basically his idea, and The X Factor was also driven by him quite a bit, the dark nature of the album is apparently influenced by the events in his life. With VXI, I hear a lot more band effort, even though Steve is credited on most of the songs. He actually doesn't sound as enthusiastic on it as much as on the previous records, some biographies mention that he considered disbanding the band at that point but the rest of the guys wanted to continue.

I agree with most of this. I wouldn't call it a loss of control per se, but VXI does feel like a cohesive team effort, whereas TXF feels like a Steve Harris solo album.  VXI has more of a classic Maiden feel to it, and that was evident right off the bat.

VXI is one of my favorite Maiden albums. But perhaps Blaze actually had a big influence on the album. If you're familiar with his solo work, he has a huge interest in technology and sci-fi themes.
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Post by: El Barto on September 08, 2015, 12:34:05 PM
The first song totally kicks ass. Great track that sets a wonderful tone that the rest of the album completely fails to live up to. Shame, really. All in all it's a good album, certainly better than TFF, but I find very little of it to be particularly remarkable (aside form Eternity). Most of D1 sounds pretty samey to me, which is exactly how I felt about TFF. One is a standout and two is a halfway decent Metallica song, but all the rest of it is very generic modern Maiden, IMO. Disk two is much better, albeit without the standout. I really dig DoG (although I can't help snicker at "climb like a monkey." Not sure why people are down on Shadows; good, older sounding song. And Empire is certainly better than the title track. Seems to me that if they took Eternity and all of side two they'd have a pretty good single album. As it stands it's probably just two or three songs I'd add to a playlist and that's that.

To be clear, a lot of this is because AMoLaD was such a good album. It's probably not fair to fault them for failing to live up to a great one, but it is what it is. When AMoLaD we all compared it to the classic albums and many of us still rank it in the top four or five of the catalog (which is stellar praise). I said at the time and still think that it's right on par with 7th Son. The rest of their post reunion stuff can all be measured against other post reunion stuff, and it's just not in the same league.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2015, 12:45:14 PM
I really dig DoG (although I can't help snicker at "climb like a monkey." \

I must say, DoG is maybe the most "fun" track on the album, by that I mean it is just a good song to dance and rock out to and sing along, and I love that line for the sole reason that it just seems like an odd line for a metal song, and i like monkeys.
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Post by: El Barto on September 08, 2015, 12:45:36 PM
So I've reflected on Empire a bit and I'm kind of torn on it. First off it's still a few minutes too long. I haven't changed my mind about that. But here's what confounds me. Bruce is an aviation buff, and has a very keen interest in airships; professionally and presumably personally as well. I'm not going to question his knowledge about the subject matter. At the same time my recollection of the R101 disaster is a bit different than the song portrays. From what I recall there wasn't really a storm, per se, but rather a steady rain towards the end and a steadily increasing wind. The cause of the accident, based on my recollection of their speculation, was that it was a combination of a strong, buffeting wind and the failure of an engine that made fighting the wind difficult. Combined with being slightly overweight it overstressed the airframe. I might be completely wrong, or maybe they simplified it to a common storm for artistic reasons. I figure they wanted a storm sequence in the song, which is their style and they did a fine job of it.  At the same time, a steadily increasing wind and the sudden failure of an engine would have been awesome elements for a song if you're looking for dramatic themes to use. Having the over-long storm section steadily increase in pace would have been a wonderful touch and quite possibly more accurate. Hearing musically the "3000 horses" fall silent even better.

Eh, probably me just nitpicking, but still, it makes me wonder.

What isn't nitpicking, though is the SOS part. I'm pretty sure that the R101 never sent any SOS. I think the people on the ground were surprised to hear that it crashed. Moreover, why would they have sent an SOS immediately after takeoff but before the storm? It seems clear that Maiden put a great deal of effort into painting a nice, musical picture of their story, and in many ways they succeeded quite nicely, but that part just makes no sense. When I first heard the SOS I thought "hey, that's a good idea," but int retrospect it just doesn't make much sense to me.
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Post by: El Barto on September 08, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
I really dig DoG (although I can't help snicker at "climb like a monkey." \

I must say, DoG is maybe the most "fun" track on the album, by that I mean it is just a good song to dance and rock out to and sing along, and I love that line for the sole reason that it just seems like an odd line for a metal song, and i like monkeys.
Yeah, it's like hearing Halford sing "blown to smithereens." Always makes me smile.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 08, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
That's probably because it's not necessarily about getting the exact historical accuracy down to a "T." It's about capturing the emotive quality of that tragedy and how best to represent that in musical form.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2015, 12:52:23 PM
That's probably because it's not necessarily about getting the exact historical accuracy down to a "T." It's about capturing the emotive quality of that tragedy and how best to represent that in musical form.

Yea, I'd say it's just an artistic expression and not 100% historically factual although it does seem unmaiden like to distort the facts, but I don't see the song as an "alexander the great" type of historical piece, but more of a storytelling song based around a real life scenario where just like a movie, will exaggerate or make changes for drama.

I must say though, for all the love it is getting, I don't think it is my favorite or maybe even in my top 3 on the album at this point and I do really love it.  Still working in my head how I would rank these songs though, so tough.
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Post by: El Barto on September 08, 2015, 12:57:43 PM
Yeah, I certainly get they were going for artistry rather than historical accuracy. My point is that accuracy would have presented an even better opportunity for them to explore, and Maiden is good enough that they could and should have taken advantage of it.

And that still doesn't address the SOS thing, unless they simply decided they wanted that musical cue in there somewhere and this is where it would fit. I can't accept that they'd just pull something like that. These aren't lazy people and they don't patronize their audience.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on September 08, 2015, 02:04:49 PM
This album fucking smokes  :metal


It might be my favorite post-reunion album to date.  I really didn't think they had another album of this caliber in them.   And when I heard it was a double, I was afraid it would be stuffed with all kinds of filler, but the songs are surprisingly strong and they get better - WAY better with repeated listens.  It took me about 4 times through to start appreciating how good it really is.


I haven't completely warmed to the title track yet, it feels a little too long to me, but I'm really, really impressed and happy with this one.  Dave Murray is the legato master.  :hefdaddy   Love his solos.  But I also really love the contrast when they trade solos.  And the 3-guitar attack is fucking monstrous on this album for some reason.   :eek
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Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2015, 02:09:55 PM
The guitar work is really good on this one, I actually can't get over how awesome the guitars are in Speed of Light.  Just so awesome and fun.
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Post by: TAC on September 08, 2015, 02:25:00 PM


What isn't nitpicking, though is the SOS part. I'm pretty sure that the R101 never sent any SOS. I think the people on the ground were surprised to hear that it crashed. Moreover, why would they have sent an SOS immediately after takeoff but before the storm? It seems clear that Maiden put a great deal of effort into painting a nice, musical picture of their story, and in many ways they succeeded quite nicely, but that part just makes no sense. When I first heard the SOS I thought "hey, that's a good idea," but int retrospect it just doesn't make much sense to me.

Perhaps they were foreshadowing what was going to happen?
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Post by: TAC on September 08, 2015, 02:32:48 PM

It might be my favorite post-reunion album to date. 

Wow! You have heard the others right? ;D
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Post by: Lowdz on September 08, 2015, 02:41:46 PM

It might be my favorite post-reunion album to date. 

Wow! You have heard the others right? ;D

I really like AMOLAD and BNW but this one is up there. It gets a big thumbs up for not every song having the folky Steve Harris intros, and title repeating choruses.
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Post by: TAC on September 08, 2015, 02:59:39 PM

It might be my favorite post-reunion album to date. 

Wow! You have heard the others right? ;D

I really like AMOLAD and BNW but this one is up there. It gets a big thumbs up for not every song having the folky Steve Harris intros, and title repeating choruses.

Those are fair criticisms, I get that.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 08, 2015, 03:47:04 PM


What isn't nitpicking, though is the SOS part. I'm pretty sure that the R101 never sent any SOS. I think the people on the ground were surprised to hear that it crashed. Moreover, why would they have sent an SOS immediately after takeoff but before the storm? It seems clear that Maiden put a great deal of effort into painting a nice, musical picture of their story, and in many ways they succeeded quite nicely, but that part just makes no sense. When I first heard the SOS I thought "hey, that's a good idea," but int retrospect it just doesn't make much sense to me.

Perhaps they were foreshadowing what was going to happen?

This seems plausible.  Like foreshadowing the fact that ship encounters distress. 

I think the SOS thing on either side of that majestic, major key guitar line is perhaps representative of the flight as a whole - there is apprehension at take off, signified by the SOS thing, then there's the majestic flight through the air with the guitar melody that becomes unsteady as it modulates to a more minor tonality, then the SOS thing brings us into the chaos of the storm, with Nicko's drum solo. 

EDIT: That riff at 12:56 is fucking badass.
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Post by: TAC on September 08, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TjNodr1z1lY
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 08, 2015, 04:24:47 PM
:tup that's cool!  I wish they hadn't cut off his Jon Lord story!!!
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 08, 2015, 05:49:01 PM
Random question to the superfans:

Already tried looking up on Googs with no results. Has Nicko or anyone in the band discussed the drum track in "Satellite 15?" Specifically, is that Nicko playing, or are the drums programmed?

They sound nothing like the proper drum sound on the record, there aren't really any fills, and it's only kick and snare. Sounds like a drum machine to me.

What inspired me to ask is that I'm pretty sure it's even faster than "Face in the Sand," and he used a double pedal for that, so the double kicks in S15 would be even more nuts for him to do.
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Post by: TAC on September 08, 2015, 05:50:37 PM
I thought it was him playing it a couple times through, but then it's looped.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2015, 05:59:39 PM
I thought it was him playing it a couple times through, but then it's looped.

I thought Satellite 15 was all Adrian minus Bruce's parts which would imply drum machine, but I am not positive so TAC could be right.
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Post by: TAC on September 08, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
I'm not positive either.
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Post by: TAC on September 08, 2015, 06:53:53 PM
I am really struggling to do rankings. The 5 Reunion Era albums are stellar, but so are the Classic Era.
The Classic Era is what I grew up with, and is woven into my being. But the Reunion Era is UNDENIABLE!

Planning on spinning Piece Of Mind and Seventh Son tomorrow.
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Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2015, 07:18:44 PM
I thought it was him playing it a couple times through, but then it's looped.

I thought it was this too.  Badly looped mind you.
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Post by: FuzzBucket on September 08, 2015, 08:18:20 PM
Random question to the superfans:

Already tried looking up on Googs with no results. Has Nicko or anyone in the band discussed the drum track in "Satellite 15?" Specifically, is that Nicko playing, or are the drums programmed?

They sound nothing like the proper drum sound on the record, there aren't really any fills, and it's only kick and snare. Sounds like a drum machine to me.

What inspired me to ask is that I'm pretty sure it's even faster than "Face in the Sand," and he used a double pedal for that, so the double kicks in S15 would be even more nuts for him to do.

It was drum machine work by Adrian Smith. I remember it being discussed in some interviews when TFF was released. Smith just did it as a demo with the intention of it being redone by Nicko, but Harris just said "let's go with it" and it became the final version of the song.
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Post by: TAC on September 09, 2015, 09:27:33 AM
Some updates:

https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-12-10/
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-9-7/
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-6-4/
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 09, 2015, 10:37:43 AM
His AMoLaD write-up is exactly how I feel. It was the first maiden album I bought, as it was just released when I felt like actually buying a maiden album.
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Post by: 425 on September 09, 2015, 10:40:14 AM
I don't understand this guy's view of Maiden at all, but that's okay :lol

Respect for putting TXF that high.
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Post by: jammindude on September 09, 2015, 12:11:19 PM
I may not agree with his exact placements, but most of his comments I totally agree with.    I think FotD is a salvageable album while VXI is not, so I would reverse those.   I may have put NotB slightly higher, but putting both AMOLAD and TXF so high is a bold move that I COMPLETELY agree with.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2015, 12:14:27 PM
Nothing bold about it IMO, both are great albums. TXF just gets the shit for blaze, but damn that album is good music.
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Post by: TAC on September 09, 2015, 12:35:46 PM
I may not agree with his exact placements, but most of his comments I totally agree with.   

I certainly don't have TXF as high, but that is a brilliantly worded review of that album.
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Post by: TAC on September 09, 2015, 12:42:47 PM
I know there's a lot of love here for BNW. What is everyone's opinion of Dream Of Mirrors?
Where would it rank among the Reunion era epics?
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Post by: jammindude on September 09, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
The dream is truuuueeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuueeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuueeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Post by: TAC on September 09, 2015, 12:50:22 PM
The dream is truuuueeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuueeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuueeeeeeeeee
The dream is truuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 :lol
It is true. The dream, that is.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2015, 12:51:19 PM
I think it's a good song with some great melodies.  But it doesn't feel very maiden for me until it hits the fast part.  It's a little... 90s alt rock.   
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Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2015, 12:58:15 PM
Not sure if anyone noticed, but the IM website's scrolling banner has upside down text saying the First set of tour dates will be announced September 14th.
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Post by: 425 on September 09, 2015, 02:29:40 PM
I know there's a lot of love here for BNW. What is everyone's opinion of Dream Of Mirrors?
Where would it rank among the Reunion era epics?

Dream of Mirrors is excellent. It's hard to rank the reunion era epics, though, because there are so many and so many of them are good. But I think it's a really good song, one of the best on Brave New World for sure.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2015, 02:46:50 PM
I know there's a lot of love here for BNW. What is everyone's opinion of Dream Of Mirrors?
Where would it rank among the Reunion era epics?

Dream of Mirrors is excellent. It's hard to rank the reunion era epics, though, because there are so many and so many of them are good. But I think it's a really good song, one of the best on Brave New World for sure.

I also really like it, but it may be low on the reunion era epics just because they are so strong.  Never thought about ranking them though
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Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2015, 03:10:29 PM
DOM is a great song.  The speedy middle section is awesome.
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Post by: jammindude on September 09, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
As I hinted before, I just think it's too repetitive.  Other than that, it's OK.   Ghost of the Navigator is the big standout from BNW....one of the few songs NOT ruined by a lazy chorus.
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Post by: 425 on September 09, 2015, 03:34:34 PM
I always really liked Out of the Silent Planet. I don't ever see it getting much love, even on Iron Maiden forums. But I always really liked it. I would say The Wicker Man, Ghost of the Navigator, Dream of Mirrors, Out of the Silent Planet and The Thin Line Between Love and Hate are the class of Brave New World.
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Post by: TAC on September 09, 2015, 03:49:08 PM
Well I've always ranked Dance Of Death over Brave New World. Not by much, but to me it just feels like classic Maiden.

I think Brave New World is one of their most important albums, and I was highly impressed that they didn't just mail it in. Dream Of Mirrors is proof of that. I feel like I should love this song, but I "only" like it very much. I know the "I only dream in B&W" line is beaten to absolute death. But everything else about it is awesome.
Out Of The Silent Planet is like that too. Really unMaiden like, which is cool, but the chorus is repeated so many freaking times.


I have always been underwhelmed by The Wicker Man. Love the up tempo part, but the rest bores me. Favorite songs off of it have always been The Nomad and Ghost Of The Navigator, and of course the mighty Thin Line Between Love And Hate. That instrumental part at the end is AMAZING. Nothing wrong with the title track, and Blood Brothers is really aging well. I feel like I'm going to flip DOD and BNW in my Reunion era rankings. I'm going to give DOD a chance to redeem itself.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2015, 03:49:56 PM
I'll give this a shot and maybe this is not the best criteria, but I'm picking out of the songs from the reunion era that are over 8 minutes (not including S15/TFF and If Eternity Should Fail):

1. The Legacy
2. For The Greater Good of God
3. The Red and the Black
4. Dance of Death
5. The Book of Souls
6. Empire of the Clouds
7. Paschendale
8. The Talisman
9. The Thin Line Between Love and Hate
10. When the Wild Wind Blows
11. Dream of Mirrors
12. The Man Who Would be King
13. Brighter Than A Thousand Suns
14. Isle of Avalon
15. The Nomad

I should add that the last two tracks are the only two I would say I am not a huge fan of (although both have parts that are great), the rest are all fantastic songs even if they are not high on the list.
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Post by: TAC on September 09, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
Nice. That's a great list, Cram. When you think about it, it really is an amazing collection of songs.


15. The Nomad

After The Thin Line, The Nomad has always been my second fave on BNW. Still, I can't help but feel they missed an opportunity with this. And the transition from the instrumental part to the verse is a little awkward.
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Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
I'll give this a shot and maybe this is not the best criteria, but I'm picking out of the songs from the reunion era that are over 8 minutes (not including S15/TFF and If Eternity Should Fail):

1. The Legacy
2. For The Greater Good of God
3. The Red and the Black
4. Dance of Death
5. The Book of Souls
6. Empire of the Clouds
7. Paschendale
8. The Talisman
9. The Thin Line Between Love and Hate
10. When the Wild Wind Blows
11. Dream of Mirrors
12. The Man Who Would be King
13. Brighter Than A Thousand Suns
14. Isle of Avalon
15. The Nomad

I should add that the last two tracks are the only two I would say I am not a huge fan of (although both have parts that are great), the rest are all fantastic songs even if they are not high on the list.

That's a really excellent list, but I think it's way too early to judge the new songs.
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Post by: TAC on September 09, 2015, 04:15:24 PM
I'm fine putting Empire Of The Clouds right up there now.
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Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2015, 04:33:10 PM
I listened to it in the car for the first time yesterday.  Holy shit!
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Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2015, 04:53:49 PM
Totally agree about judging the new songs with the old as there hasnt been enough time yet, but that's how I feel at the moment.
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Post by: 425 on September 09, 2015, 05:45:35 PM
I'll take a crack at this. Not including the new songs because I've heard them once and the other ones like 40 times. Too soon to tell.


In my mind, Starblind, The Longest Day and Lord of Light belong on this list just because of the songwriting style, though I understand why they were excluded. Starblind would probably go at #2 for me, The Longest Day would go above The Thin Line and Lord of Light would go ahead of The Talisman.

This is really hard. I mean, all of these are good. The only one that I wouldn't say is a fantastic song is The Nomad, and that one is still hella good.
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Post by: 425 on September 09, 2015, 06:14:49 PM
Just listened to this for the first time, and just read through this thread for the first time. I don't have well-formed thoughts yet, but I feel I ought to clear this up, since I was the one who mentioned it in the other thread.

How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.

I would get it if it were a concept album with plot points... but how does hearing about an album spoil it?

That's what I was wondering too some pages ago. I had hoped that those who feared spoilers in the original thread would explain what there is to spoil.

Actually, I did explain why I thought there should be a new thread, in the original thread. I explained, and then had like a five-post long conversation with bosk as a result. It can't have been that easy to miss. Nevertheless, I'll explain again here.

My problem was that the album was leaked and that people were listening to a leaked copy. Regardless of your own feelings on the subject, listening to a leaked copy of an album is, in fact, illegal. And in the opinions of many, many people, including myself, morally wrong. What's more, the policy of this forum frowns upon the discussion of leaked material.

My objection was that over a week before the album was released to the world by the band and the label, who own the music and have the right to dictate how it is released, there was already discussion going on in the main Iron Maiden thread. The same thread where those of us who wanted to abide by the law and our own views on what is a morally right way to deal with intellectual property, and talk about other Iron Maiden material and build the excitement and count down until the album was legally released. Essentially, by having discussion of the leak in the new thread, the experience would be ruined for anyone who did not want to listen to the leak.

My own objection was never about having the album spoiled, it was about allowing discussion of illegally leaked material in the main thread (which, in order to even be in accordance with forum policy, you have to intentionally avoid the topic of how you managed to obtain it) and thus disrupting those who are not okay with listening to such material.
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Post by: TAC on September 09, 2015, 06:16:59 PM
It's cool, man.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on September 09, 2015, 06:56:26 PM
I know there's a lot of love here for BNW. What is everyone's opinion of Dream Of Mirrors?
Where would it rank among the Reunion era epics?

Top three for me, great track.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 09, 2015, 07:26:26 PM
I love Dream of Mirrors

"I only dream in black in white" That shit is catchy as hell and often stuck in my head after listening to BNW
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Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2015, 07:48:21 PM
I've decided this album is a fucking masterpiece.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 09, 2015, 08:06:10 PM
I've decided this album is a fucking masterpiece.

That's a good decision
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Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
I've decided this album is a fucking masterpiece.

That's a good decision

 :tup
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Post by: Dream Team on September 09, 2015, 09:12:29 PM
I've decided this album is a fucking masterpiece.

Yeah, just amazing at this stage of their career. They improved 5 things from TFF, which I thought was a great album:

1. Bruce's vocals are better
2. The production is better
3. The guitar solos are better
4. No endlessly repeated choruses (IESF comes close)
5. No overdone acoustic intros

Man, they NAILED it.
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Post by: Nick on September 09, 2015, 09:43:58 PM
For a long time Dream of Mirrors was my favorite Maiden song. It still ranks top 10.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 10, 2015, 12:47:40 AM

Actually, I did explain why I thought there should be a new thread, in the original thread. I explained, and then had like a five-post long conversation with bosk as a result. It can't have been that easy to miss. Nevertheless, I'll explain again here.

My problem was that the album was leaked and that people were listening to a leaked copy. Regardless of your own feelings on the subject, listening to a leaked copy of an album is, in fact, illegal. And in the opinions of many, many people, including myself, morally wrong. What's more, the policy of this forum frowns upon the discussion of leaked material.


Thanks for answering, it's all cool. I'm kinda with you on the leaked material, but not everyone who has early access to the album is listening to the leak, there may be people with promo copies. And I have no problem when they give their impressions of the album, but I also don't have a problem with a new thread.

I was just curious about the spoiler thing in regard to music. I didn't understand how you could "spoil" a record in regards to story, surprise endings, who dies, who did it etc. like you could spoil a movie or a book. I probably just have a different definition of a spoiler.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 10, 2015, 01:03:27 AM
Dream of Mirrors is one of the best tracks on BNW and one of the best Reunion-Tracks for sure. I don't mind the repetition if it is nicely done. The Nomad is another great track, cool melodies and a bit of eastern/arabian music flair that fits the theme perfectly.
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Post by: aurorablind on September 10, 2015, 01:58:47 AM
I was a bit let down the first time I listened to the album, but holy hell this album has grown on me!
Im still not digging Shadows of the Valley, but hell. A 90+ minute album with so little filler is amazing for a band 40 years into their career with 16 studio albums.
My four year old daughter loves the melodies on Empire btw. We sing along to it in the car every morning   :metal

Is somebody loving When the River runs deep? I love the Somewhere in Time-esque intro, and the verses are killer!
I just love how tastefully they add vocal harmonies to certain sections on this album. TFF and AMOLAD had basicly no harmonies at all.

HOLY CRAP THIS ALBUM!  :hefdaddy
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Post by: Lowdz on September 10, 2015, 04:06:48 AM
I've decided this album is a fucking masterpiece.

Surprised the shit outta me too  :biggrin:
I was expecting something along the lines of the last one but I was very wrong. As fine an album by an "old" band as I can remember.
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Post by: Zydar on September 10, 2015, 05:11:02 AM
The cover of the new Kerrang! magazine, out now.

I think it would be a great cover if they were to release Death Or Glory as a single.

(https://www.kerrang.com/wp-content/uploads/k1585_Iron_Maiden_slider.jpg)
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Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2015, 05:28:52 AM
Still listening to disc 2 in the car at the moment.  This album is incredible, from start to finish, the band have knocked this out of the fucking park, I can't believe it.  Empire of the Clouds is one of the most emotional, moving and stunning pieces of music I've ever heard.  Hearing it full ball in the car made me realise just how fucking amazing and special this piece of music is. 

Death and Glory is a cracker and so lively and well done.  Shadows of the Valley has that amazing middle section and the whoa oh part is just epic and one of the best parts of the album IMO.  Tears of A Clown i a solid enough addition which gets better each time and The Man of Sorrows is one of the most ambitious and unique pieces the band have done too.  Dave nailed this one too.  Those key changes give me chills.

I don't see how the band could possibly top this.  I would love to see the band make another couple of albums because no band this far into their career I believe has accomplished what they have here.  In a way, if this was the bands swansong, you could hardly argue.

Iron Maiden have been by a long margin my favourite band since I discovered them about 16-17 years ago, but what they have done here just confirms that even more and makes me proud to be a fan.  A band 40 years into their career creating what could be a top 3-5 all time album, maybe higher, is just unheard of.

Well done Bruce, Steve, Dave, Adrian, Janick and Nicko, the stars aligned perfectly for this and you have created something extrordinary.  Metal gods of the highest order.
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Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2015, 05:30:33 AM
The structure of The Nomad was a point that always made me really enjoy it.  That whole moody breakdown section is a fantastic touch.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 10, 2015, 05:59:03 AM
I am really amazed that Maiden can put out such a quality album this late in their career. I don't know if it's the best of the Reunion-Maiden, I need many more listens to be able to rank it, but what is clear from the beginning: this thing delivers.

This is the later, proggier Maiden that is maybe not as wild as their 80s output but more mature and still rocking heavy. After the decline in the 90s who would have thought that some 20 years later they would still (or again) put out high quality albums.

Everyone is strong on TBoS but I especially like Dickinson's vocal delivery here. You can hear that his voice changed over time and with age, he isn't reaching for the absolute high notes and sometimes his voice sounds strained, but he still sounds so powerful and deeply emotional, he still can hold notes like no other and has this vibrato, which I absolutely adore. And the guy is what? 57? Impressive!  :metal
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 10, 2015, 06:15:40 AM
Still listening to disc 2 in the car at the moment.  This album is incredible, from start to finish, the band have knocked this out of the fucking park, I can't believe it.  Empire of the Clouds is one of the most emotional, moving and stunning pieces of music I've ever heard.  Hearing it full ball in the car made me realise just how fucking amazing and special this piece of music is. 

Death and Glory is a cracker and so lively and well done.  Shadows of the Valley has that amazing middle section and the whoa oh part is just epic and one of the best parts of the album IMO.  Tears of A Clown i a solid enough addition which gets better each time and The Man of Sorrows is one of the most ambitious and unique pieces the band have done too.  Dave nailed this one too.  Those key changes give me chills.

I don't see how the band could possibly top this.  I would love to see the band make another couple of albums because no band this far into their career I believe has accomplished what they have here.  In a way, if this was the bands swansong, you could hardly argue.

Iron Maiden have been by a long margin my favourite band since I discovered them about 16-17 years ago, but what they have done here just confirms that even more and makes me proud to be a fan.  A band 40 years into their career creating what could be a top 3-5 all time album, maybe higher, is just unheard of.

Well done Bruce, Steve, Dave, Adrian, Janick and Nicko, the stars aligned perfectly for this and you have created something extrordinary.  Metal gods of the highest order.

You've said it. Couldn't say it any better. Up the Irons!  :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 10, 2015, 07:00:18 AM
Wolf, I have a feeling this album is going to give X factor a run for its money for you. Do you think I'm right?
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Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2015, 07:39:19 AM
I'm a metal guy from way back (Maiden in '82 was my first concert) but I'm a melody guy as well, which is why I don't like Thrash or any of the really extreme metal.

With that, this is a monumental album.  I bought it day of release, but waited until I had a good stretch in the car to listen.  I got through disk 1 yesterday and disk 2 this morning.   This is an epic record by any standard.   Still sorting out the individual songs a bit, so "Speed of Light" is my favorite only because I've heard it more times than all the other stuff combined.

Won't repeat what has been said here, except to say:
- I've long said Dickinson is the best metal frontman ever (even over Halford and Dio) and this seals it.   He sings his tits off on this, takes chances, and doesn't phone it in, then delivers the highlight of the album (in my opinion), "Empire of the Clouds".
- Dave Murray is the best guitarist you've (probably) never heard of.   In a band with four guitar players (counting 'arry) and now keyboards, you can tell almost every note he plays.   There is even a point where Smith and Gers are playing a harmony line (ala Thin Lizzy) and Murray is soloing over THAT, and it sounds amazing!   As important to Maiden as Harris and Dickinson, in my opinion.
- Not just Dave, but as a whole, the guitars sound AWESOME.  Sometimes Maiden can get a little trebly, especially Gers (and less so, but sometimes, Smith) but here them guitars are so lush and full and warm, but they still cut like knifes.
- What other band can have three top-flight guitar players and a lead bassist, and STILL add keys and make them essential?   I forget what song, but it might have been The Man of Sorrows, but there is a point where the keys fade in under a harmony line, and just elevates the entire song.
- Kudos to Harris.  This is clearly his band, he calls the shots, but that album is as much Murray and Dickinson as Harris (in fact, I would say this is almost Dickinson's band at this point) and yet it is seamless.  Maybe there are egos behind the scenes but in the music, it is a total ensemble effort (the word that kept popping up was "orchestra".  This is a metal "orchestra").

Can anyone name a better album by a band that has been in existence at Maiden's level for almost 35 years?   This is still fresh, but it at least has the potential to be one of the three best albums the band has ever done, and that after 35 years, in an environment where many bands (Hagar, Kiss, Leppard) question the idea of even putting out new material.   

Finally, I don't think I want to see "Empire of the Clouds" live, as just another song in the set.  I can see them doing an hour, then taking a break and doing another hour or hour and a half, with "Empire..." kicking that off, but I think I'd rather see Maiden do a "S&M" thing like Metallica, and have them do "Empire...", "Journeyman", "Avalon", and maybe rearrange a couple others ("Children of the Damned", "Rime") and make it an EVENT.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 10, 2015, 08:01:27 AM
That whole moody breakdown section is a fantastic touch.

This is what I really like about that song.
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Post by: Zydar on September 10, 2015, 08:11:19 AM
I haven't listened to that album in a long time now, I must remedy that tonight.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 10, 2015, 08:11:41 AM
Totally agree on your assessment of Murray, the guy is like an unknown legend and very much integral to IM as much as SH or BD IMO too, he is on every album.

I'd love IM to do an S&M type of performance, but I don't see them doing it.
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Post by: Dream Team on September 10, 2015, 08:22:14 AM
You know what's fascinating is that different metal fans can listen to the same songs and hear totally different things. I've read reviews saying the solos are lame (I think they're awesome). I've seen opinions range on Nicko's drumming from best to worst. I've read criticisms that the album has no riffs, that there's too many boring intros, etc. I don't hear any of those things and I've been listening to Maiden since '83 so it's not like I don't have a frame of reference.
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Post by: kaos2900 on September 10, 2015, 09:15:44 AM
This album is getting better with each listen and I'm finally seeing what all the hype is about. There is a very classic feeling to the album that the other reunion albums don't quite capture. This album seems like the natural follow up to SSOSS. I'm not sure where I'll end up ranking it because I love AMOLAD and BNW but is far and away better than Dance of Death and The Final Frontier which I think is a bottom 5 Maiden record.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 10, 2015, 09:28:03 AM
I notice you singling out Murray, but don´t forget about McBrain here. He kicks ass all over this one.
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2015, 09:59:20 AM
I notice you singling out Murray, but don´t forget about McBrain here. He kicks ass all over this one.
Yup.  I said that last week. Incredible.
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Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2015, 10:13:29 AM
I've never agreed with the "McBrain is boring" comments. I think he is the perfect drummer for Maiden, and I think he just plays the right part for the songs (all of them do, at this point).   That's the thing about Maiden; they are all stellar players, but don't really feel the need to blow it into your face every 35 seconds.  It just happens. :P

For the guitars, just listen to the single; I didn't pick up on it before, but I'm pretty sure the solo break is divided into three segments, and each guy takes one (if I had to guess, I'd say Murray, Gers, Smith) and all three are relevant, interesting, and bring something new to the song.  Usually I don't care for the "single" on a Maiden record, but this is right now my favorite song on the record (not the same as the "highlight", which is EotC; that's on another plane altogether).




(See what I did there?)
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2015, 03:45:18 PM
I agree with all that everyone has said about this album. Incredible accomplishment. I have felt the same about AMOLAD and TFF, which are both in my Top 4. While I don't think this will eclipse either, it is still an amazing and spectacular album. I've been a Maiden fan since 1981 and I can't believe they are still around making (musical) life changing music. That's what this album does.
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Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
Wolf, I have a feeling this album is going to give X factor a run for its money for you. Do you think I'm right?

Bro, I'm not sure, I totally didn't expect this.  As I said in another thread earlier, if I review all my top albums and start looking at everything differently with less of the nostalgia few, then perhaps something like this could be a better album.  Again, I really didn't see this coming from Maiden.
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2015, 04:07:58 PM
Again, I really didn't see this coming from Maiden.

How could you not? They have done nothing but amaze me in the Reunion Era.
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Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Even though I'm fully praising the album, while the solos are great and all, they are nothing too special IMO.  They are certainly less sloppy in places though.  In fact, I think there is less memorable solos from the boys then some of the other reunion era songs.  But again, time will tell and it's not really an issue because the songs are so good.  And I think that's the thing, the songs are so strong, the solos are there to compliment and not be the focus of the music, like somettimes I feel they have been in the past.

Disc 2 certainly has the better guitar work also IMO in terms of solos.  Death and Glory and Shadows probably have the most impressive solos IMO.  Followed by Man of Sorrows.
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Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2015, 04:13:25 PM
Again, I really didn't see this coming from Maiden.

How could you not? They have done nothing but amaze me in the Reunion Era.

Agreed, but this IMO has been taken up another level again.  TFF was a weird album for me.  It was the album that grew the most, and it felt different for Maiden, while still being an amazing album.  This I think will blow it out of the water, and could easily be the best reunion album.
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2015, 04:14:59 PM
Really, you can't go wrong with any of them. I've been a huge TFF guy since its release.
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Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2015, 04:18:10 PM
Yeah, it was a massive grower for me, I didn't like it at the start.  The production really let it down too.

With this album now, do you think all the Janick shit talk is put to rest once and for all?  (I mean, not by us, but the purists that say he should have been fired when H came back)
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2015, 04:22:05 PM
I'm a purist and Adrian was my favorite member when he left. I remember exactly where I was when I read the news.

I accepted Janick the minute they hit the stage with Tailgunner on that tour. He brought out so much fun in Dave Murray, you just knew he was the perfect guy for the band at the time.

I think the off stage chemistry is a huge thing for this band, and I firmly believe that Janick has a very underrated effect on the band in this area.
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Post by: 425 on September 10, 2015, 04:29:14 PM
Agreed. Whenever you watch any of their tour documentaries, Janick definitely seems to play a role in the band that is just as important as anyone else's, Steve excepted. And in the songwriting department, he's a huge contributor as well.
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Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2015, 04:41:13 PM
I've had a soft spot for his songwriting for sure, especially his reunion era tracks, adds a nice different dimension to the albums.

And Tim, I agree with what you said Janick bringing the fun out in Dave.  I'd say he influenced the whole band in that way too, look at the Donington 92 performance, all of them are just going nuts on stage, love it.
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Post by: TAC on September 10, 2015, 04:48:25 PM
Seriously, as bad as No Prayer is, that tour was incredible and one of my all time favorite Maiden shows.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 10, 2015, 06:22:23 PM
Even though I'm fully praising the album, while the solos are great and all, they are nothing too special IMO.  They are certainly less sloppy in places though.  In fact, I think there is less memorable solos from the boys then some of the other reunion era songs.

Yeah I'd agree with that.  I think Adrian's solo in TRaTB qualifies here, its awfully disjointed and not phrased very well. I think that's because of the way the album was written in the studio, he didn't have the same amount of time to construct a solo the way he normally does, so it seems pretty off the cuff, and suffers for it.  That's how I see it anyway.

Davey's solos are awesome tho, I feel he's probably the strongest here; he seems to be a bit more aggressive.

Jan is pretty much playing the same licks he has for ages.  But I agree that he's integral to the band.  As long as he's churning out magic like the title track, I don't think anyone has any right to complain tbh. 
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Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2015, 08:01:23 PM
I pretty much agree.  Dave is stronger than the last couple of albums, Adrian is quite a bit weaker IMO and Janick is the same.

Listening to The Man of Sorrows, Dave's solo is very FOTD era, great stuff.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 11, 2015, 05:29:13 PM
Wait, what, people are saying the vinyl version has a dedicated vinyl mastering? Vinyl mastering is apparently credited to a guy named Chris Bellman (aside from Ade Emsley, who is credited for the album's mastering in general).

Many, if not most bands just slap the CD mastering on vinyl, so this is great. I do not own the vinyl yet, so can't comment on it myself, but this sounds promising. For all the crap sound productions modern IM gives us, at least they acknowledge the vinyl medium benefits from dedicated mastering.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 11, 2015, 07:09:35 PM
Oh wow.  I had a listen to the vinyl at my brothers over last weekend but his system wasn't the best so couldn't really tell the difference, but itd be interesting to compare.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 12, 2015, 04:35:19 AM
Unsurprisingly, The  Book of Souls entered at # 1 on the album charts selling supposedly 60.000 copies in its first week of release.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 12, 2015, 11:39:31 AM
Unsurprisingly, The  Book of Souls entered at # 1 on the album charts selling supposedly 60.000 copies in its first week of release.

 :metal
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Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2015, 04:32:49 AM
This album just keeps getting better and better, it's absurd.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 13, 2015, 05:52:03 AM
Absolutely. I´m speechless on the beauty that is Empire of the clouds. BOS entered the Dutch album charts at # 6.
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Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2015, 06:05:54 AM
Absolutely. I´m speechless on the beauty that is Empire of the clouds. BOS entered the Dutch album charts at # 6.

Not high enough.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 13, 2015, 12:10:13 PM
Unsurprisingly, The  Book of Souls entered at # 1 on the album charts selling supposedly 60.000 copies in its first week of release.

Don't know which side of the Atlantic you're on but it's no 1 in the UK.   :tup
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 13, 2015, 03:34:00 PM
This album just keeps getting better and better, it's absurd.

agreed
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Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2015, 03:38:32 PM
In at number 2 here in Australia.  I think that's their highest charting album ever.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 13, 2015, 04:26:15 PM
Yuss, NZ and AUS dates announced.

29th of April in Christchurch and the 1st of May in Auckland.

My youngest daughter's 1st birthday is on the 30th of April.

:/ she's gonna be a tight squeeze
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Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2015, 04:36:01 PM
Yes motherfucker!!  :hefdaddy :metal

Wednesday, 4th May 2016
Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Brisbane

Friday, 6th May 2016
Sydney Allphones Arena, Sydney

Monday, 9th May 2016
Rod Laver Arena, Melbourne

Thursday, 12th May 2016
Adelaide Entertainment Centre, Adelaide

Saturday, 14th May 2016
Perth Arena, Perth
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 13, 2015, 09:34:22 PM
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The Book Of Souls World Tour will open in the U.S.A in late February with Ed Force One flying in for three shows before, in early March, heading into Central America visiting MEXICO, followed by a much anticipated first ever concert in EL SALVADOR and a return to COSTA RICA. Ed Force One then proceeds into South America for concerts in ARGENTINA, CHILE and a number of shows in BRAZIL before flying back to the USA at the end of March for ten more cities covering the USA and, of course, CANADA in the first two weeks of April.  A long awaited return to JAPAN follows later in April, and then the band are delighted to be playing their first ever shows in CHINA before heading to NEW ZEALAND and AUSTRALIA for a comprehensive tour during the first half of May. Shows in SOUTH AFRICA, Maiden’s first visit there with Bruce, will be the last port of call before Ed Force One heads to EUROPE for a very extensive tour starting in late May and finishing in early August. This will the first time Ed Force One has ever been used on any European Tour dates (other than Bruce’s Fan Club trips to shows) and will provide transport there for at least for the first few weeks.
I have no idea where I'll see them next year. If one of the 13 cities is in Texas I'll certainly see it, but I suspect I'll be catching them on the road somewhere either way. Seeing them in South America has always been really high on my list of things to do, but traveling to South America holds little appeal to me. Part of me wants to do something foolish like catch them in Paris or something. I've had a hankering to get back to the Old World of late. Also seems that our European comrades are likely to get a very different set than what they serve up to us yanks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 14, 2015, 12:51:55 AM
Sure, do the whole rest of the frakking world before you tour Europe...But I guess by that time the dvd of the tour will be out...   :angel:
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 01:28:05 AM
Which will you be attending, wolf?
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 14, 2015, 05:12:50 AM
Unsurprisingly, The  Book of Souls entered at # 1 on the album charts selling supposedly 60.000 copies in its first week of release.

Don't know which side of the Atlantic you're on but it's no 1 in the UK.   :tup

As it is in Germany and rightfully so  :metal
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 05:14:46 AM
Haha, I just checked and its in at Number 2 here - pipped by the one and only Cilla Black at number one!  Goddamn old people buying CDs and shit  :tdwn
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Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2015, 05:19:05 AM
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The Book Of Souls World Tour will open in the U.S.A in late February with Ed Force One flying in for three shows before, in early March, heading into Central America visiting MEXICO, followed by a much anticipated first ever concert in EL SALVADOR and a return to COSTA RICA. Ed Force One then proceeds into South America for concerts in ARGENTINA, CHILE and a number of shows in BRAZIL before flying back to the USA at the end of March for ten more cities covering the USA and, of course, CANADA in the first two weeks of April.  A long awaited return to JAPAN follows later in April, and then the band are delighted to be playing their first ever shows in CHINA before heading to NEW ZEALAND and AUSTRALIA for a comprehensive tour during the first half of May. Shows in SOUTH AFRICA, Maiden’s first visit there with Bruce, will be the last port of call before Ed Force One heads to EUROPE for a very extensive tour starting in late May and finishing in early August. This will the first time Ed Force One has ever been used on any European Tour dates (other than Bruce’s Fan Club trips to shows) and will provide transport there for at least for the first few weeks.
I have no idea where I'll see them next year. If one of the 13 cities is in Texas I'll certainly see it, but I suspect I'll be catching them on the road somewhere either way. Seeing them in South America has always been really high on my list of things to do, but traveling to South America holds little appeal to me. Part of me wants to do something foolish like catch them in Paris or something. I've had a hankering to get back to the Old World of late. Also seems that our European comrades are likely to get a very different set than what they serve up to us yanks.

I doubt the setlist changes between the world leg and the euro leg of the tour.  I personally would love to see IM in England, but I find it likely they hit NYC on the first leg so that's where I will go.  I rejoined the IM fan club last night  :metal
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Post by: Zydar on September 14, 2015, 05:20:23 AM
I was watching Maiden England last night again, what a great show it is. Seventh Son was the highlight.

It reminded me though that I'm still not a fan of Die With Your Boots On.
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Post by: Zydar on September 14, 2015, 05:21:50 AM
Number one here in Sweden :tup
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Post by: wolfking on September 14, 2015, 05:23:49 AM
Which will you be attending, wolf?

Brisbane mate.  :metal
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Post by: 425 on September 14, 2015, 06:13:59 AM
Sure, do the whole rest of the frakking world before you tour Europe...But I guess by that time the dvd of the tour will be out...   :angel:

"very extensive tour" in Europe
13 U.S. dates total

If I was a European, I would not be complaining.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2015, 09:07:34 AM
Entered at #4 in the US Billboards

https://loudwire.com/five-finger-death-punch-iron-maiden-top-5-billboard-200-album-chart/ (https://loudwire.com/five-finger-death-punch-iron-maiden-top-5-billboard-200-album-chart/)

Same as TFF, but still very good!  :metal :metal
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Post by: NotePad on September 14, 2015, 10:45:25 AM
Since If Eternity Should Fail was meant to be the first song on a solo Bruce  concept album (there's an article on blabbermouth), I wonder if that means he wont be doing that anymore. Because it would be kinda weird if he did that concept album now. Wouldnt it be cool if the next Maiden album was this concept album Bruce was gonna do? Would be awesome.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2015, 10:59:04 AM
Went and found that article
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-has-demoed-six-songs-for-solo-concept-album/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-has-demoed-six-songs-for-solo-concept-album/)

Pretty interesting stuff regarding that song, but sadly no Bruce solo album next year or the year after.
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Post by: Dream Team on September 14, 2015, 12:10:13 PM
I don't want to just have a knee-jerk reaction and say EotC is the best song on BoS just because it's the long epic and all that, but I really think it's the best.

Empire of the Clouds
Man of Sorrows
Speed of Light
Death or Glory
If Eternity Should Fail
Shadows of the Valley
Tears of a Clown
When the River Runs Deep
The Book of Souls
The Great Unknown
The Red and the Black
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Post by: Scorpion on September 14, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
Empire of the Clouds
The Man of Sorrows
The Book of Souls
Tears of a Clown
If Eternity Should Fail
Shadows of the Valley
When the River Runs Deep
The Red and the Black
Death or Glory
Speed of Light
The Great Unknown
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Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2015, 12:49:24 PM
I've had enough listens to do a ranking, although it could change:

The Red and the Black
The Book of Souls
If Eternity Should Fail
Empire of the Clouds
Speed of Light
Death or Glory
Shadows of the Valley
When the River Runs Deep
Tears of a Clown
The Great Unknown
The Man of Sorrows
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Post by: TAC on September 14, 2015, 01:06:30 PM
Empire Of The Clouds
The Book Of Souls
The Red And The Black

When The River Runs Deep
The Great Unknown
Speed Of Light
Tears Of The Clown
The Man Of Sorrows

If Eternity Should Fail
Death Or Glory
Shadows Of The valley
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 14, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
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The Book Of Souls World Tour will open in the U.S.A in late February with Ed Force One flying in for three shows before, in early March, heading into Central America visiting MEXICO, followed by a much anticipated first ever concert in EL SALVADOR and a return to COSTA RICA. Ed Force One then proceeds into South America for concerts in ARGENTINA, CHILE and a number of shows in BRAZIL before flying back to the USA at the end of March for ten more cities covering the USA and, of course, CANADA in the first two weeks of April.  A long awaited return to JAPAN follows later in April, and then the band are delighted to be playing their first ever shows in CHINA before heading to NEW ZEALAND and AUSTRALIA for a comprehensive tour during the first half of May. Shows in SOUTH AFRICA, Maiden’s first visit there with Bruce, will be the last port of call before Ed Force One heads to EUROPE for a very extensive tour starting in late May and finishing in early August. This will the first time Ed Force One has ever been used on any European Tour dates (other than Bruce’s Fan Club trips to shows) and will provide transport there for at least for the first few weeks.
I have no idea where I'll see them next year. If one of the 13 cities is in Texas I'll certainly see it, but I suspect I'll be catching them on the road somewhere either way. Seeing them in South America has always been really high on my list of things to do, but traveling to South America holds little appeal to me. Part of me wants to do something foolish like catch them in Paris or something. I've had a hankering to get back to the Old World of late. Also seems that our European comrades are likely to get a very different set than what they serve up to us yanks.

I doubt the setlist changes between the world leg and the euro leg of the tour.  I personally would love to see IM in England, but I find it likely they hit NYC on the first leg so that's where I will go.  I rejoined the IM fan club last night  :metal
They tend to play "greatest hits" sets when they tour the states, because that's what the average concert-goer wants. That's why we only got four or five proper Dod and AMoLaD shows here. They'd come back and do greatest hits tours at a different time. Same deal with TFF tour, where we got something completely unrelated (though totally kick ass in every way).  It's very rare for them to play new songs other than a single or two outside of NYC and LA.
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Post by: TAC on September 14, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
A question?

Who is playing the solo from 8:40-9:10 in TRaTB? It's really unique, and I've never heard anything like it on a Maiden album.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
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The Book Of Souls World Tour will open in the U.S.A in late February with Ed Force One flying in for three shows before, in early March, heading into Central America visiting MEXICO, followed by a much anticipated first ever concert in EL SALVADOR and a return to COSTA RICA. Ed Force One then proceeds into South America for concerts in ARGENTINA, CHILE and a number of shows in BRAZIL before flying back to the USA at the end of March for ten more cities covering the USA and, of course, CANADA in the first two weeks of April.  A long awaited return to JAPAN follows later in April, and then the band are delighted to be playing their first ever shows in CHINA before heading to NEW ZEALAND and AUSTRALIA for a comprehensive tour during the first half of May. Shows in SOUTH AFRICA, Maiden’s first visit there with Bruce, will be the last port of call before Ed Force One heads to EUROPE for a very extensive tour starting in late May and finishing in early August. This will the first time Ed Force One has ever been used on any European Tour dates (other than Bruce’s Fan Club trips to shows) and will provide transport there for at least for the first few weeks.
I have no idea where I'll see them next year. If one of the 13 cities is in Texas I'll certainly see it, but I suspect I'll be catching them on the road somewhere either way. Seeing them in South America has always been really high on my list of things to do, but traveling to South America holds little appeal to me. Part of me wants to do something foolish like catch them in Paris or something. I've had a hankering to get back to the Old World of late. Also seems that our European comrades are likely to get a very different set than what they serve up to us yanks.

I doubt the setlist changes between the world leg and the euro leg of the tour.  I personally would love to see IM in England, but I find it likely they hit NYC on the first leg so that's where I will go.  I rejoined the IM fan club last night  :metal
They tend to play "greatest hits" sets when they tour the states, because that's what the average concert-goer wants. That's why we only got four or five proper Dod and AMoLaD shows here. They'd come back and do greatest hits tours at a different time. Same deal with TFF tour, where we got something completely unrelated (though totally kick ass in every way).  It's very rare for them to play new songs other than a single or two outside of NYC and LA.

Your examples are good reasons for why they WILL play the same set.  DoD and AMoLaD shows in the US were a small amount of dates and those got the full sets like everyone else.  This tour will also be a small amount of dates in the US, I would bet my house its the same set for Europe.  If they do another wave of US dates after then maybe I can see them change it up.  Regardless, the change it set lists would likely be reunion era song replaced with wrathchild.
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Post by: aurorablind on September 14, 2015, 02:05:01 PM
A question?

Who is playing the solo from 8:40-9:10 in TRaTB? It's really unique, and I've never heard anything like it on a Maiden album.

Adrian  ;)
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Post by: TAC on September 14, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
The setlist will be the same. The small string of US dates falls within the tour. Even the first TFF tour in the US was basically it's own leg, and IIRC, the new album wasn't even out yet.
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Post by: El Barto on September 14, 2015, 02:19:55 PM
Hard not to notice that we didn't get to see Talisman, Coming Home and Wild Wind here in the states.

Y'all might well be right, but that would only tell me that there won't be any Southern dates. In fact, my money would be 3 shows on the West Coast-->South America-->Canada and the NE territories.

That said, three shows does sound suspiciously like Dallas, Houston and San Antonio/Austin with a quick hop down to Mexico. Still, I don't see them playing 3 in Texas and only 10 for the rest of the States.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 14, 2015, 02:20:08 PM
My current premature ranking:

Classic tier:
If Eternity Should Fail
Empire of the Clouds

Good/great tier:
The Red and the Black
When the River Runs Deep
Death or Glory
Speed of Light
Tears of a Clown
The Book of Souls
Shadows of the Valley

Forgetable tier:
The Great Unknown
The Man of Sorrows
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Post by: Scorpion on September 14, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
So many people The Man of Sorrows at the bottom or near the bottom makes me sad. Definitely one of my favourite reunion era Maiden songs.
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Post by: TAC on September 14, 2015, 02:44:58 PM
3 shows to me sounds like NY and Florida, and then the 10 come a few weeks later. I'd expect a Texas show for you Bart.

I just hope they play Boston, that's all I can say.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2015, 02:50:06 PM
Botton doesnt mean bad on my list.  Man of Sorrows has a really cool and different instrumental part that is pretty rad.  The album is strong, something's gotta be last.
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Post by: TAC on September 14, 2015, 02:55:28 PM
Botton doesnt mean bad on my list.  Man of Sorrows has a really cool and different instrumental part that is pretty rad.  The album is strong, something's gotta be last.

Exactly.
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Post by: El Barto on September 14, 2015, 03:38:23 PM
Texas and Arizona are the beginning of the second tier insofar as touring goes. For a small tour, and this definitely qualifies, we don't generally make the cut. Once it gets to the point that Texas is in it's usually all three cities (and five more if you're Tool or Saxon). This is sounding to me a lot like DOD or AMolaD, where only the top NA cities get proper gigs.
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Post by: El Barto on September 14, 2015, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: Bruce
“Three songs off the new album is not enough. There’ll maybe be four or five,” he told News.com.
Yup, there went Texas.  :lol
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Post by: wolfking on September 14, 2015, 03:53:35 PM
Ranking the songs on this album is really hard, everything here is brilliant, but I'll take a stab;

The Red and The Black
Empire of the Clouds
The Book of Souls
If Eternity Should Fail
The Man of Sorrows
Shadows of the Valley
Death or Glory
The Great Unknown
Where The River Runs Deep
Tears of A Clown
Speed of Light
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 03:55:37 PM
A question?

Who is playing the solo from 8:40-9:10 in TRaTB? It's really unique, and I've never heard anything like it on a Maiden album.

Adrian  ;)

Is that the one that has a lot of pauses in it?  If so, that's a weak solo.
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Post by: wolfking on September 14, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
A question?

Who is playing the solo from 8:40-9:10 in TRaTB? It's really unique, and I've never heard anything like it on a Maiden album.

Adrian  ;)

Is that the one that has a lot of pauses in it?  If so, that's a weak solo.

Yeah, that's the one.  It's definitely H and IMO it certainly isn't anything special too.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2015, 05:35:38 PM
Well that opinion by Bruce is 100% right but I'm not sure 5 is even enough.  I really hope the rest of the set includes more reunion era songs and less of the "classics"
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Post by: 425 on September 14, 2015, 06:29:35 PM
Honestly, I would be 100% behind the band if the only pre-1995 songs were Iron Maiden and Hallowed Be Thy Name.

They should play more than half of the new album and at least one song off each reunion album, and at least one Blaze era song. Plus Iron Maiden and Hallowed. Any space that may remain can then be filled with "classics."
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Post by: El Barto on September 14, 2015, 06:35:46 PM
Honestly, I would be 100% behind the band if the only pre-1995 songs were Iron Maiden and Hallowed Be Thy Name.
The problem is that the diehard fans don't make up the majority of people who'll go see Maiden in this country. I recall a lot of people bitching and moaning about the TFF tour we got, which I found awesome. They have to play a lot of the classics here, which I agree is a shame.
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Post by: wolfking on September 14, 2015, 06:39:52 PM
Honestly, I would be 100% behind the band if the only pre-1995 songs were Iron Maiden and Hallowed Be Thy Name.

That will never happen.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 14, 2015, 06:56:53 PM
I enjoyed TTF show, but I could tell the audience was getting restless with the number of newer tracks
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Post by: Anguyen92 on September 14, 2015, 07:41:51 PM
I enjoyed TTF show, but I could tell the audience was getting restless with the number of newer tracks

Honestly, to me, these people can either get with it and understand that Iron Maiden has great material past their "classic" era and embrace and enjoy it, or not get with it, do not have to buy the ticket or go see the show, and wait until Iron Maiden do another "history" tour.

I can say, myself, that I do not know too much about the reunion era tracks aside from the more well-known songs of Brave New World, the entire Final Frontier album, and, of course, The Book of Souls album, but if they play stuff from like Dance of Death or A Matter of Life and Death, I'm going to go ahead to get into it if they performed with a lot of enthusiasm.

In conclusion, f' feeling nostalgic over wanting certain songs from their prime era.  Root for the band, on the basis of themselves today, not just their most well-known songs of people's youth.  That's just what I think based on my "moving forward" mentality.
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Post by: 425 on September 14, 2015, 08:17:07 PM
^ Yep. It's not like there's any deception. It's called "The Book of Souls World Tour." If you go into it not expecting a ton of songs from The Book of Souls, that's your fault. Honestly, if you just want to see 2 Minutes to Midnight, The Trooper and Run to the Hills, put Live After Death into your media player of choice.

Maiden has been more than fair to the "play classics" crowd for a band that is putting out the best work of their career today. They are alternating tours. Last tour, they didn't play a single song from post-1992. The tour before that was The Final Frontier. Then before that was Somewhere Back In Time, when they didn't play a song from after 1992. Then before that was A Matter of Life and Death. Before that, The Early Days. Etc.

I know it won't happen because of whiny people, but there's a limited amount of time in the set, and I strongly believe that that time should be dedicated to songs that have never been played before or that have only been played once or twice.
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Post by: 425 on September 14, 2015, 08:17:23 PM
Play Classics. (https://youtu.be/fGo0rHO_dN0)
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Post by: Anguyen92 on September 14, 2015, 08:43:43 PM
Play Classics. (https://youtu.be/fGo0rHO_dN0)

That video was exactly what I was thinking regarding this matter, and I think in that video, it's pretty fair that Bruce had the mentality that he did when he ripped that sign, since the tour was called "A Matter of Life and Death" tour.  Obviously, a good amount of the show will be dedicated to that album (don't know if that particular show in the video was the one where the album was played in whole though) and for good reason.

Concert-goers of Iron Maiden should have a better understanding of what Iron Maiden wants to play in The Book of Souls tour and make their decision whether to commit to the show or not.  If Maiden makes it clear that it's going to be pretty different than the Maiden England tour, then there's no changing their minds from that. 

They've always made a case for standing for what they believe in, when it comes to making and playing new songs, and this is how they should go about it.  It's reasons like that is why, to me, Rush and Iron Maiden are the best classic bands and done their reunion era right and justice.
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Post by: El Barto on September 14, 2015, 09:52:10 PM
Everybody here is going to agree with that, and I'm sure everybody dug the shit out of TFF tour we got. Doesn't change the reality, though. Half the people in an American Maiden audience are going to be marginal fans, at best. Moreover, because of the way ticketing works here those somewhat-fans will be the ones up front. The guys are aware of this and tend to tailor their US tours accordingly.

Just remembered that Eddie Rips of the World was the same deal  They toured Europe/Aisa, came to America as part of Ozfest and played a short set, then went back to the UK for a few more gigs. We got this short set:
The rest of the world got that plus Murders, Another Life, Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Eagle Dare, Die With YOur Boots on, Phantom, and Drifter. They might not have even come here at all without being part of a package deal, and when they did they played only the stuff people expected.

On the bright side, anybody who had the foresight to head to Denver got to see the whole, awesome set.  :metal
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Post by: 425 on September 14, 2015, 11:25:13 PM
I've listened three times now, and I think I might be able to sort of rank the songs now. This is very rough though:

Empire of the Clouds
The Book of Souls
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The Red and the Black
The Great Unknown
Shadows of the Valley
-------------------------------
Speed of Light
When the River Runs Deep
Death or Glory
Tears of a Clown
If Eternity Should Fail
The Man of Sorrows

I kind of broke them into tiers, which are basically 1) fantastic 2) really excellent and 3) good. But honestly, this is a superb album all the way top to bottom. Man of Sorrows might be at the bottom for me simply because by the time I get to it I'm very excited for Empire and paying less attention to the song at hand.

All that's clear for me right now is that The Book of Souls and Empire of the Clouds are the top two, and I could be easily persuaded to switch those around.

This is a fantastic album. It's too early to say for sure, but this could easily be one of the band's best albums if it holds up on repeated listens. There's seriously no song that is weak here in my opinion right now.
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 15, 2015, 12:09:46 AM
Is it just me,  or are the vocal tracks a bit too high in the mix on this album???  It just doesn't seem balanced quite right. Vocals seem overpowering compared to other albums..
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 15, 2015, 02:49:05 AM
Why didn't they release that on dvd? They did about every other damn tour...
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 03:05:06 AM
There's a great boot floating around for it.  Gothenburg I think.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 15, 2015, 03:21:09 AM
There's a great boot floating around for it.  Gothenburg I think.
Do you mean this?

https://youtu.be/WR0nodWBaIo
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 03:23:18 AM
That's it.  My brother had it on DVD, it was much better quality than that video but same source I'm guessing.

EDIT:  Man I wish there was a DVD for the SiT tour:

Caught Somewhere in Time
2 Minutes to Midnight
Sea of Madness
Children of the Damned
Stranger in a Strange Land
Wasted Years
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Guitar Solo
Heaven Can Wait
Phantom of the Opera
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden
Encore:
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Running Free
Sanctuary

What a setlist!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 15, 2015, 03:34:06 AM
Honestly, I would be 100% behind the band if the only pre-1995 songs were Iron Maiden and Hallowed Be Thy Name.
We can only dream of this. I mean, I love the 80s material and it's always great to see it live, but most of it has been played to death.
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Post by: Zydar on September 15, 2015, 03:36:21 AM
Maybe for those who has seen them many times. Remember that there are still people out there who are going to a Maiden concert for the first time, and want to see the 80s classics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 15, 2015, 03:48:57 AM
True, but they've played only the 80s stuff for the past three years. Not to mention the Somewhere back in time tour that also lasted two years. I think that whenever they go out and play the old stuff, the next tour contains plenty more newer songs. Early days tour was followed by playing AMOLAD in its entirety, Somewhere back in time was followed by a tour with mostly post-2000 material. So now is the perfect opportunity to shake things up BIG TIME again.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2015, 05:40:43 AM
I'm just happy it doesn't sound like TFF or DOD, I don't have any problems with the production.  haven't noticed anything with the vox being too high though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 05:56:35 AM
I can totally get behind the no classics set list, but as pointed out, thats not a reality for a band that has such big hits as IM.

When they played all of AMoLaD, while I LOVED IT TO DEATH, I was one of the only ones who did.  EVERYONE around me complained the entire concert, leaving the concert there were so many people badmouthing the band. I even got confrontational with people saying things like "You should enjoy this because you'll never see them play these songs again, but you can see the Trooper any other time you see IM" which people just gave me a dirty look.  It's sad, but that's American for you.  A large part of the audience is there for the nostalgia.  Bruce actually mentioned this in a recent interview.  The question was (paraphrasing) "Do you see your audience getting younger" Bruce "yes, everywhere except the USA".
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Post by: emtee on September 15, 2015, 07:48:51 AM
I like the sound of the album. A little raw but clear. Totally loving the album front to back. One hell of an accomplishment for a band that's
been around so long. I know it's still new and fresh but I really feel like this might take the top spot away from PS.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 15, 2015, 08:03:08 AM
Is it just me,  or are the vocal tracks a bit too high in the mix on this album???  It just doesn't seem balanced quite right. Vocals seem overpowering compared to other albums..

I don't hear this, but then I found the vocals on AMOLAD a little bit too much buried in the background and others say it's their best-sounding re-union album.
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Post by: El Barto on September 15, 2015, 08:06:03 AM
That's it.  My brother had it on DVD, it was much better quality than that video but same source I'm guessing.

EDIT:  Man I wish there was a DVD for the SiT tour:

Caught Somewhere in Time
2 Minutes to Midnight
Sea of Madness
Children of the Damned
Stranger in a Strange Land
Wasted Years
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Guitar Solo
Heaven Can Wait
Phantom of the Opera
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden
Encore:
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Running Free
Sanctuary

What a setlist!!!
Eh, guess you just had to be there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2015, 08:14:01 AM
^ Yep. It's not like there's any deception. It's called "The Book of Souls World Tour." If you go into it not expecting a ton of songs from The Book of Souls, that's your fault. Honestly, if you just want to see 2 Minutes to Midnight, The Trooper and Run to the Hills, put Live After Death into your media player of choice.

Maiden has been more than fair to the "play classics" crowd for a band that is putting out the best work of their career today. They are alternating tours. Last tour, they didn't play a single song from post-1992. The tour before that was The Final Frontier. Then before that was Somewhere Back In Time, when they didn't play a song from after 1992. Then before that was A Matter of Life and Death. Before that, The Early Days. Etc.

I know it won't happen because of whiny people, but there's a limited amount of time in the set, and I strongly believe that that time should be dedicated to songs that have never been played before or that have only been played once or twice.

 But this is my beef:  it's two thousand fucking fifteen.  I notice three quarters of the population have smart phones glued to their cocks; you mean to tell me you can't google a setlist for the band you're going to see?   Maiden has been TOTALLY transparent about what they're doing, so any reasonably informed fan can know if they're going to a "album showcase" set or a "classics" set.  All the whiners are in my not so humble opinion, showing their ignorance. 

I only WISH a band like Kiss would do semthing like this; they tour so much and in so many areas, why not do a "makeup classic" tour, sprinkle in a "non-makeup classic" tour, and after a release do a "reunion studio album tour"? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 08:21:32 AM
^ Yep. It's not like there's any deception. It's called "The Book of Souls World Tour." If you go into it not expecting a ton of songs from The Book of Souls, that's your fault. Honestly, if you just want to see 2 Minutes to Midnight, The Trooper and Run to the Hills, put Live After Death into your media player of choice.

Maiden has been more than fair to the "play classics" crowd for a band that is putting out the best work of their career today. They are alternating tours. Last tour, they didn't play a single song from post-1992. The tour before that was The Final Frontier. Then before that was Somewhere Back In Time, when they didn't play a song from after 1992. Then before that was A Matter of Life and Death. Before that, The Early Days. Etc.

I know it won't happen because of whiny people, but there's a limited amount of time in the set, and I strongly believe that that time should be dedicated to songs that have never been played before or that have only been played once or twice.

 But this is my beef:  it's two thousand fucking fifteen.  I notice three quarters of the population have smart phones glued to their cocks; you mean to tell me you can't google a setlist for the band you're going to see?   Maiden has been TOTALLY transparent about what they're doing, so any reasonably informed fan can know if they're going to a "album showcase" set or a "classics" set.  All the whiners are in my not so humble opinion, showing their ignorance. 

I only WISH a band like Kiss would do semthing like this; they tour so much and in so many areas, why not do a "makeup classic" tour, sprinkle in a "non-makeup classic" tour, and after a release do a "reunion studio album tour"?

Yea, but most of the people who complain are old and I doubt they understand they can go to setlist.fm and figure this out.  Totally discriminating against the old folk, but that's how I see it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 15, 2015, 08:47:24 AM
Quote from: Janick Gers
We’ve put a 92-minute album out at a time when most people have the attention span of a gnat.
Ain't that the truth Mr Gers.

https://classicrock.teamrock.com/features/2015-09-14/teamrock-exclusive-iron-maiden-how-we-made-book-of-souls
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 08:53:21 AM
Well this sums up a lot of the IM complaints about long songs that cna be cut shorter:

Quote
Steve: Even the last album (The Final Frontier) was pretty long – 72 minutes or something. But we knew Bruce wrote Empire Of The Clouds that this album was going to be really bloody long. We don’t seem to be able to condense what we do.

And you don’t want to?

Steve: Not necessarily.
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 15, 2015, 09:08:28 AM
I listened to it again on a different stereo and the mix seemed better. It's almost as if the songs aren't mastered, just mixed. The album is growing on my a lot after the third listen and I feel it will get better and better with each spin. That has happened to me with a few albums, don't like them much at first then they become one of my favorites of all time. Clockwork Angels comes to mind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 15, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
But this is my beef:  it's two thousand fucking fifteen.  I notice three quarters of the population have smart phones glued to their cocks; you mean to tell me you can't google a setlist for the band you're going to see?   Maiden has been TOTALLY transparent about what they're doing, so any reasonably informed fan can know if they're going to a "album showcase" set or a "classics" set.  All the whiners are in my not so humble opinion, showing their ignorance. 

I only WISH a band like Kiss would do semthing like this; they tour so much and in so many areas, why not do a "makeup classic" tour, sprinkle in a "non-makeup classic" tour, and after a release do a "reunion studio album tour"?

I agree completely. Unfortunately, what I think happens is that, in the U.S., most of these fans stopped paying attention when Bruce left, or after No Prayer came out, or even when SiT had synths. And then they never started paying attention again whatsoever. And then they just see that Iron Maiden is playing near them, and they buy tickets assuming that Maiden is a washed-up nostalgia act.

I mean, let's be clear. Music tastes and music listening patterns aside, these people are dumb for not doing any research whatsoever on the concert they are going to see. But that's how these shows end up packed with people who may not have heard The Book of Souls, or even know that it exists.

I think there's room for them to play a few 80s songs, but no more than a few. I think a good setlist for this tour would have at least 6 and preferably 7 songs from the new album, plus at least 3 and preferably 4 TXF-TFF songs. That still gives you room for about five "classics" (not counting the song Iron Maiden). So you could do Hallowed, Trooper, Number of the Beast, and then a couple other songs—whether that be Fear of the Dark and 2 Minutes to Midnight yet again, or throwing in a slightly deeper cut from the 80s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 15, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
Quote from: Janick Gers
We’ve put a 92-minute album out at a time when most people have the attention span of a gnat.
Ain't that the truth Mr Gers.

https://classicrock.teamrock.com/features/2015-09-14/teamrock-exclusive-iron-maiden-how-we-made-book-of-souls

That was a great interview, thanks for the link.
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Post by: 425 on September 15, 2015, 10:00:13 AM
I think they're just barely mastered. Harris and Shirley don't seem to like mastering very much—AMOLAD was not mastered at all.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 10:06:09 AM
As much as I would REALLY love to see them do a Blaze song, I very much doubt they ever play one again.

And on that note, why not do another list?  A setlist prediction (takes into account standard setlist time ~1:50 and the fact that IM does not play songs live that were not played during the album promotion tour):

If Eternity Should Fail
Speed of Light
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Trooper
The Book of Souls
Death or Glory
Killers
El Dorado
Brave New World
Rainmaker
The Evil That Men Do
The Red and the Black
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden

Run to the Hills
The Number of the Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name
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Post by: Mladen on September 15, 2015, 10:15:25 AM
My friend and me put together one of those last week and it looks similar to your list.

1. If eternity should fail
2. Speed of light
3. Rainmaker
4. The Trooper
5. The Red and the black
6. Death or glory
7. Brave new world
8. Coming home
9. The Evil that men do
10. The Book of souls
11. Fear of the dark
12. Iron Maiden
- - -
13. The Number of the beast
14. Two minutes to midnight
15. Hallowed be thy name
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Post by: aurorablind on September 15, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
I guess something like this:

1. If Eternity Should Fail
2. Speed of Light
3. El Dorado
4. Revelations
5. The Red and the Black
6. The Evil that Men Do
7. Tears of a Clown
8. The Wicker Man
9. The Book of Souls
10. The Trooper
11. Fear of the Dark
12. Iron Maiden
----------
13. The Number of the Beast
14. Hallowed be thy Name
15. Sanctuary
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 15, 2015, 11:05:48 AM
This is a combination between a prediction and a hope that I threw together yesterday.

This is also predicated on the assumption that they won't play Empire of the Clouds. I think there's still a chance that they will, but I think odds are that they won't.

1. Speed of Light
2. The Great Unknown
3. The Final Frontier
4. 2 Minutes to Midnight
5. The Trooper
6. The Red and the Black
7. Death or Glory
8. Shadows of the Valley
9. Sea of Madness
10. If Eternity Should Fail
11. The Book of Souls
12. Fear of the Dark
13. Iron Maiden
-----------------------------
14. The Wicker Man
15. The Number of the Beast
16. Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
17. Hallowed Be Thy Name

Also, to be clear, we are now sort of discussing TBOS in this thread by having these setlists. I don't think anyone objects to that at this point, and I hate to be the constant Iron Maiden thread police, but we do now have three Iron Maiden threads ongoing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 11:23:27 AM
Holy crap mladen, we have the same set lists except El Dorado vs coming home lol

And I'm all for consolidating the threads, no point in so many now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 15, 2015, 11:56:20 AM
Yeah, I think we were both very realistic. :biggrin:
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 03:37:51 PM
*snip*
Eh, guess you just had to be there.

jealous.  I would be there if I weren't -5 years of age in '86 :P
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Post by: TAC on September 15, 2015, 03:39:58 PM
That's it.  My brother had it on DVD, it was much better quality than that video but same source I'm guessing.

EDIT:  Man I wish there was a DVD for the SiT tour:

Caught Somewhere in Time
2 Minutes to Midnight
Sea of Madness
Children of the Damned
Stranger in a Strange Land
Wasted Years
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Guitar Solo
Heaven Can Wait
Phantom of the Opera
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden
Encore:
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Running Free
Sanctuary

What a setlist!!!
Eh, guess you just had to be there.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

Hell yes. That tour was awesome!! Even if we didn't get Sea Of Madness.

Sneak, there are a couple of pretty good boots from this tour. The Philly show is from the in house video feed. Also the one camera angle pro shot Paris show.

There is a decent enough audience boot from Sheffield, and probably my all time favorite audience boot, the Troy, NY show. A GREAT view of Nicko.
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Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2015, 03:43:25 PM
That is an amazing setlist.  And the Walking on Air guitar solos are incredible.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 03:47:59 PM
Sneak, there are a couple of pretty good boots from this tour. The Philly show is from the in house video feed. Also the one camera angle pro shot Paris show.

There is a decent enough audience boot from Sheffield, and probably my all time favorite audience boot, the Troy, NY show. A GREAT view of Nicko.

Ahh, I watched the Paris one last night on YouTube, pretty decent sound, although Bruce is really struggling on it.

I need to track down the other ones you mentioned.  I think 'Arry's said it before but it must be one of their great regrets that they never filmed a show from this tour.  Everything about it is fantastic.

That is an amazing setlist.  And the Walking on Air guitar solos are incredible.


Pardon my noobness, but what's Walking on Air?  A google search comes up with a Katy Perry song... either Davey has some massive foresight/horrible taste or it's the wrong song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2015, 03:56:06 PM
Philly '87
Caught Somewhere In Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okO-fsrHxg4

Sheffield '86
Two Minutes To Midnight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcja-Xj7QM

Troy NY '87
Rime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1QC-AAYl8

Oh..and Toronto '87
Heaven Can Wait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDUli4CY_to
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 04:00:50 PM
Cheers! :tup
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Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2015, 04:03:29 PM
But this is my beef:  it's two thousand fucking fifteen.  I notice three quarters of the population have smart phones glued to their cocks; you mean to tell me you can't google a setlist for the band you're going to see?   Maiden has been TOTALLY transparent about what they're doing, so any reasonably informed fan can know if they're going to a "album showcase" set or a "classics" set.  All the whiners are in my not so humble opinion, showing their ignorance. 

I only WISH a band like Kiss would do semthing like this; they tour so much and in so many areas, why not do a "makeup classic" tour, sprinkle in a "non-makeup classic" tour, and after a release do a "reunion studio album tour"?

I agree completely. Unfortunately, what I think happens is that, in the U.S., most of these fans stopped paying attention when Bruce left, or after No Prayer came out, or even when SiT had synths. And then they never started paying attention again whatsoever. And then they just see that Iron Maiden is playing near them, and they buy tickets assuming that Maiden is a washed-up nostalgia act.

I mean, let's be clear. Music tastes and music listening patterns aside, these people are dumb for not doing any research whatsoever on the concert they are going to see. But that's how these shows end up packed with people who may not have heard The Book of Souls, or even know that it exists.

I think there's room for them to play a few 80s songs, but no more than a few. I think a good setlist for this tour would have at least 6 and preferably 7 songs from the new album, plus at least 3 and preferably 4 TXF-TFF songs. That still gives you room for about five "classics" (not counting the song Iron Maiden). So you could do Hallowed, Trooper, Number of the Beast, and then a couple other songs—whether that be Fear of the Dark and 2 Minutes to Midnight yet again, or throwing in a slightly deeper cut from the 80s.

Honest question:  do you really believe people are that stupid?   I mean, maybe they are, but I have this same conversation when Ace whines about people not knowing it's him on stage:  I was at the Kiss show last summer, and a) you ought not complain because the guy on stage was fit, sober and played every note like he meant it, and b) not one fan I talked to (including my 14-year old daughter) ACTUALLY thought it was you on the stage. 
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Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2015, 04:18:18 PM
Pardon my noobness, but what's Walking on Air?  A google search comes up with a Katy Perry song... either Davey has some massive foresight/horrible taste or it's the wrong song.

It's the guitar solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcTfAbtmbwc
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 04:20:42 PM
Oh right, its just the name of the solo?  I thought it was a musical quote from another song, put into the solo.
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Post by: TAC on September 15, 2015, 04:21:08 PM
I've posted these before, but not since the last thread. For those that haven't seen these here are a few shots from the original Somewhere On Tour.

Providence Civic Center
March 30, 1987

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SIT1.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SIT1.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SIT2.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SIT2.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SIT3.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SIT3.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SIT4.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SIT4.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SIT5.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SIT5.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SIT6.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SIT6.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SIT7.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SIT7.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SIT8.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SIT8.jpg.html)

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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 04:22:40 PM
I remember those from the last thread, brilliant!
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Post by: TAC on September 15, 2015, 04:26:56 PM
You gotta remember that this was when you had no idea what the setlist was.
My fondest memory of the shows was the opening notes to Phantom Of The Opera. I remember screaming to my friend, "Holy Shit, they're playing Phantom Of the Fucking Opera!!!!!!!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 04:28:06 PM
Awesome!  Yep, I'm going to stay away from the setlists for this upcoming tour now that they're actually coming to my country :lol
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Post by: El Barto on September 15, 2015, 04:44:04 PM
Pardon my noobness, but what's Walking on Air?  A google search comes up with a Katy Perry song... either Davey has some massive foresight/horrible taste or it's the wrong song.

It's the guitar solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcTfAbtmbwc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcTfAbtmbwc)
That's kick ass. I have no recollection of it, though. I remember Dave's solo on World Slavery, but not this much, much better number. And I believe that was it for the solos and/or instrumentals, although there was probably an oddball version of Losfer Words here and there.


Also, it appears to be called Walking on Glass more often than not.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2015, 04:50:31 PM
Rainbow called it Snowman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA_SLTwv19Q
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 15, 2015, 04:52:20 PM
Honest question:  do you really believe people are that stupid?   I mean, maybe they are, but I have this same conversation when Ace whines about people not knowing it's him on stage:  I was at the Kiss show last summer, and a) you ought not complain because the guy on stage was fit, sober and played every note like he meant it, and b) not one fan I talked to (including my 14-year old daughter) ACTUALLY thought it was you on the stage.

I should let you know that I am not typically the "people these days are so dumb smh" type of person. I really do want to believe that people are not stupid. But the reaction in the United States to Iron Maiden's reunion era setlists is hard to explain without concluding that the people who go to the A Matter of Life and Death tour and get surprised and upset when songs from A Matter of Life and Death are played are somewhat lacking in the capacity of foresight, at least.





As for Walking on Glass/Walking in the Air: My understanding is that Walking in the Air is a song from a popular UK Christmas special called The Snowman. The part at about 3:04 in the video wolfking posted is a quote from that song. Finnish metal band Nightwish covered the whole song (https://youtu.be/47coh3I1XTU) and released it on their album Oceanborn.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 05:47:29 PM
Honest question:  do you really believe people are that stupid?   I mean, maybe they are, but I have this same conversation when Ace whines about people not knowing it's him on stage:  I was at the Kiss show last summer, and a) you ought not complain because the guy on stage was fit, sober and played every note like he meant it, and b) not one fan I talked to (including my 14-year old daughter) ACTUALLY thought it was you on the stage.

I should let you know that I am not typically the "people these days are so dumb smh" type of person. I really do want to believe that people are not stupid. But the reaction in the United States to Iron Maiden's reunion era setlists is hard to explain without concluding that the people who go to the A Matter of Life and Death tour and get surprised and upset when songs from A Matter of Life and Death are played are somewhat lacking in the capacity of foresight, at least.





As for Walking on Glass/Walking in the Air: My understanding is that Walking in the Air is a song from a popular UK Christmas special called The Snowman. The part at about 3:04 in the video wolfking posted is a quote from that song. Finnish metal band Nightwish covered the whole song (https://youtu.be/47coh3I1XTU) and released it on their album Oceanborn.

Im sure there were some who were surprised new songs were played, but the majority were upset that none of the classics were played.  No Trooper, Run to the Hills, and Number of the Beast and instead got the ENTIRE new album.  If you don't keep up with IM, I could imagine that this would be a big surprise since in their history they had never done that. 
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 15, 2015, 05:53:56 PM
The only negative thing I've discovered so far since getting into IM, is that they don't pull out that many deep cuts from their catalogue, and that they're shows seem very short. I'm sure there's a reason behind it, but I was hoping their shows would be more like Rush's in terms of setlists. I guess that means I'll never get to hear Caught Somewhere In Time :-\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 06:04:11 PM
The only negative thing I've discovered so far since getting into IM, is that they don't pull out that many deep cuts from their catalogue, and that they're shows seem very short. I'm sure there's a reason behind it, but I was hoping their shows would be more like Rush's in terms of setlists. I guess that means I'll never get to hear Caught Somewhere In Time :-\

You are correct, they are very predictable with the set lists and do not play ANY deep cuts.  I wouldn't say their shows are short.  Usually get a 2 hour slot and end up playing for about an hour and fifty minutes which is standard for a headlining band.  I don't think they can do any longer because if you watch a show, you will see they are very active on stage.  Sadly I believe, you and I will never hear CSiT.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 15, 2015, 08:42:26 PM
I just wish they'd bust out Flight of Icarus again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 15, 2015, 10:52:50 PM
They never play a song on a later tour that was not played on the tour for its album.

They probably will never play Caught Somewhere In Time again because they did not like how it translated to the stage.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: aurorablind on September 16, 2015, 12:09:46 AM
I wish they would bring out some of the 2000-era stuff that haven`t been played live.
The thin line between love and hate, Montsegur, Starblind, Isle of Avalon..
A new Blaze-song would also be cool. Look for the truth comes to mind. I think that would be a great live-song with Bruce.
And the biggest disappoitment of the re-visited Maiden England tour was that they didn`t play Infinite Dreams! Thats one of my all time favorites. Would love to see them play it with this line-up.

So, I really hope they bring out at least one surprise for this tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 16, 2015, 12:19:09 AM
I would love to see Starblind or Isle of Avalon, but I'd say the odds of that happening are less than slim.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 16, 2015, 12:58:43 AM
I would love to see that Mother of Mercy is played, but I do not see that happening for the upcoming tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 16, 2015, 05:49:11 AM
And the biggest disappoitment of the re-visited Maiden England tour was that they didn`t play Infinite Dreams! Thats one of my all time favorites. Would love to see them play it with this line-up

This was one of the most confusing things about the whole tour.  A definite classic and highlight from Maiden England along with 7th Son and not pulling it out seemed weird.  Still Life should have come out too.  I think they skipped that one too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2015, 06:49:34 AM
And the biggest disappoitment of the re-visited Maiden England tour was that they didn`t play Infinite Dreams! Thats one of my all time favorites. Would love to see them play it with this line-up

This was one of the most confusing things about the whole tour.  A definite classic and highlight from Maiden England along with 7th Son and not pulling it out seemed weird.  Still Life should have come out too.  I think they skipped that one too.

I agree on Infinite Dreams and said it at the time. Seemed like the 3 guitars would've been perfect for it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 16, 2015, 08:25:17 AM
Yup, lack of infinite dreams was upsetting.

I'd love to see more reunion era songs too like the ones mentioned, but we all know the sad truth
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2015, 09:16:17 AM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-the-book-of-souls-gives-bmg-best-week-since-2008-rebirth
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 16, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
Just noticed that Ed Force 1 is now a 747. That's a major change which will require lots of training and new certification for Bruce to pilot/captain. Interestingly, they won't actually be carrying very much more equipment with it. It'll just be more efficient as it won't need the structural modifications that the 757 did to accommodate cargo and pax. They'll also enjoy quite a bit more room on board.

(https://www.aviationrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/1-Iron-Maiden-Singer-To-Pilot-%E2%80%98Ed-Force-One%E2%80%99-747-Jumbo-Jet-On-World-Tour.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNQ1AxKWEAA7A7K.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 16, 2015, 10:48:00 AM
Yup, I bleive when they made the announcement it was mentioned that Bruce was in the process of getting the necessary certifications to fly it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2015, 10:48:56 AM
I'm ready for some US tour dates. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 16, 2015, 03:01:37 PM
TBOS tearing shit up everywhere.  Good to see.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2015, 03:13:43 PM
Listened to it again today. I love the title track. Like I LOVE it!!!


I also really dig When The River Runs Deep. It's a different kind of tune for Maiden. Love the intro. H I assume.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 16, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
The whole thing is just a pleasure to listen too, it's amazing.

yeah that intro is definitely H, has his tone.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2015, 03:24:16 PM
Walking In The Shadows is growing on me. I hate the Wasted years intro to it though, and the Fallen Angel verse. Feels lazy, but everything else is great on it.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mladen on September 16, 2015, 03:48:16 PM
Walking In The Shadows is growing on me. I hate the Wasted years intro to it though, and the Fallen Angel verse. Feels lazy, but everything else is great on it.
Why don't I have that song on my CD?  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 16, 2015, 03:59:29 PM
Walking In The Shadows is growing on me. I hate the Wasted years intro to it though, and the Fallen Angel verse. Feels lazy, but everything else is great on it.

Thought you got a secret bonus track there for a second.  Yeah, those two points you mentioned are a laugh, but I love the song.  The 'into the valley, woah woah' section is just incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on September 16, 2015, 04:28:56 PM
I'm ready for some US tour dates. Just sayin'.

Can you throw Canada a bone?
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2015, 04:29:53 PM
The Valley!! :facepalm:


Got Accept on the mind!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2015, 04:30:37 PM
I'm ready for some US tour dates. Just sayin'.

Can you throw Canada a bone?

Supposedly 3 US dates and then 10 US/Canadian dates.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 17, 2015, 12:38:16 AM
Walking In The Shadows is growing on me. I hate the Wasted years intro to it though, and the Fallen Angel verse. Feels lazy, but everything else is great on it.

Since my first listen to that song it bugged me what other song they had lifted the verses from. Now you've answered it, thank you.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2015, 05:05:13 AM
On my first listen I shit myself when the Wasted Years intro happened and then I laughed pretty damn hard when The Fallen Angel verses started.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2015, 05:42:58 AM
I LOVE Iron Maiden. You guys know that. But I've got a controversial thing to say.

Regarding TRaTB, without the long and awesome instrumental part, there is really not much there.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2015, 05:44:05 AM
I LOVE Iron Maiden. You guys know that. But I've got a controversial thing to say.

Regarding TRaTB, without the long and awesome instrumental part, there is really not much there.

I don't think it's that controversial to be honest.  The song is probably still my favourite, but mainly from those amazing melodies lines later in the instrumental section.  The first half is still good though.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 17, 2015, 07:22:23 AM
My controversial point is, that I could do without the bass intro and outro ;D

No seriously, I really like the first part too, especially those guitar lines accompanying the vocals, though it sometimes is Maiden buy numbers. But it's still one of the best tracks on TBOS.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Stadler on September 17, 2015, 08:23:55 AM
My controversial point is, that I could do without the bass intro and outro ;D

No seriously, I really like the first part too, especially those guitar lines accompanying the vocals, though it sometimes is Maiden buy numbers. But it's still one of the best tracks on TBOS.

Actually, that intro and outro is - for me - the weakest part of the whole album.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: cramx3 on September 17, 2015, 08:35:02 AM
My controversial point is, that I could do without the bass intro and outro ;D

No seriously, I really like the first part too, especially those guitar lines accompanying the vocals, though it sometimes is Maiden buy numbers. But it's still one of the best tracks on TBOS.

Actually, that intro and outro is - for me - the weakest part of the whole album.

Yup, that bass part is really unnecessary and adds nothing IMO.  The song is still my favorite because it rocks all around and luckily the intro/outro is actually short.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 17, 2015, 11:36:54 AM
I like the bass intro – moves the arrangement out of a BNW, typical Maiden choice and differentiates it from other epics. It's nice to bolster a well written (imo) song body with an intro that is instantly recognizable and unique.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Stadler on September 17, 2015, 12:15:21 PM
I like the bass intro – moves the arrangement out of a BNW, typical Maiden choice and differentiates it from other epics. It's nice to bolster a well written (imo) song body with an intro that is instantly recognizable and unique.

It sounds as if Steve's youngest kid was fiddling with his bass in between tracks.  I can't get past the part that loses it's meter a little bit.  It is, all in my own humble opinion, sloppy and not in a good way.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2015, 02:41:14 PM
I fucking love the intro/outro.  Epic as hell.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Art on September 17, 2015, 02:52:08 PM
The Book Of Souls (the song) is just amazing. It was a late burner for me, but now...it has "clicked" and i can´t get enough of it. :metal
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
Art I agree. One of their best Reunion songs.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2015, 06:18:44 PM
https://www.ironmaiden.com/global-chart-domination-for-the-book-of-souls.html
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Nick on September 17, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
Not to say it didn't do well, but it's important to note that they get 2 units sold for each album they sell. That helps a lot, and frankly makes it difficult to compare against past success.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on September 17, 2015, 10:50:12 PM
Actually, from what I've heard in another forum, only the RIAA, when they give gold/platinum certificates, counts double albums as two copies.  I do not know if that applies to album charting units though.

Edit: All right, forgot where I saw that double albums only count as one unit for charts, but after more research, I think this clarifies it to me.

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I was curious if Shania Twain's latest CD, "Up!", counts as two albums or just one on The Billboard 200? I'm fairly sure that Billboard's policy on double CDs is that they count as two units sold for each album sold. For example, Garth Brooks' "Double Live" album sold a million copies in its first week because it was double album. This might be different though because both CDs contain the same songs. Is there a policy on this?

Shania Twain's album counts as one album when it comes to the Billboard charts. In the print issue dated Dec. 14, director of charts Geoff Mayfield reports that the album has sold 1.5 million copies in its first two weeks, according to Nielsen SoundScan. That means that 1.5 million copies have been sold, not 750,000.

A lot of readers asked this question this week. I think the confusion is because of the policy of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), which is the trade organization that awards gold and platinum certifications. A double album does count twice for them, so 1.5 million copies sold would be triple platinum -- but keep in mind the RIAA issues certifications based on units shipped, not units sold.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/73213/chart-beat-chat
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Polarbear on September 18, 2015, 05:51:48 AM
Now after 7 listens, i feel confident enough to rate the songs on this album.
TBOS is a great album, but not perfect in any way.

1. The Book of Souls (One of the best songs of the reunion era!)

2. If Eternity Should Fail (Same as the title track.)

3. When The River Runs Deep (This should have been the single!)

4. The Great Unknown (This was my favorite from the album at first, still like it very much.)

5. Speed of Light (Love the Wicker Man/ Rainmaker like vibe of the song.)

6. Empire of the Clouds (Interesting experiment. I think it's just a little too long.)

7. The Man of Sorrows (Took a couple of listens to sink in, but its a cool song for sure!)

8. Tears of a Clown (Cool song with great lyrics!)

9. Death Or Glory (Ok song, not one of my favorites.)

10. Shadows of the Valley (Mediocre.)




11. The Red and the Black (I have no idea, why this song is even on this album. The Bass intro and the primary riff are pretty cool. Rest sounds like a VXI B-side.)


I would have liked if TRatB was dropped from the album. Instead there would be one more song from Murray, and one more from Gers...
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 18, 2015, 06:21:27 AM
11. The Red and the Black (I have no idea, why this song is even on this album. The Bass intro and the primary riff are pretty cool. Rest sounds like a VXI B-side.)


I would have liked if TRatB was dropped from the album. Instead there would be one more song from Murray, and one more from Gers...

Wow.  Still number 1 for me.  Brilliant song.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 07:29:11 AM
11. The Red and the Black (I have no idea, why this song is even on this album. The Bass intro and the primary riff are pretty cool. Rest sounds like a VXI B-side.)


I would have liked if TRatB was dropped from the album. Instead there would be one more song from Murray, and one more from Gers...

Wow.  Still number 1 for me.  Brilliant song.

Same, my fav. I could understand some of the heat, it is a fairly straight forward IM epic song, but it's pretty awesome though so I can get past that.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 18, 2015, 08:03:51 AM
11. The Red and the Black (I have no idea, why this song is even on this album. The Bass intro and the primary riff are pretty cool. Rest sounds like a VXI B-side.)

I know opinions and tastes and so on, but the bold part can't be right, because then I wouldn't like the song as much as I do.
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Post by: 425 on September 18, 2015, 08:27:38 AM
The Red and the Black is reminiscent of Virtual XI, yes.

Which is a good thing, because Virtual XI is awesome.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 18, 2015, 02:51:38 PM
This may very well end up being my favorite reunion-era album of theirs.


I agree, though, that the "Empire of the Clouds" experiment didn't quite work.    It's not a bad song.  But to me it feels pretty bloated.  I could easily shave 10 to 12 minutes off it (getting rid of most of the long, long repetition of riffs) and then it would be decent.


It's the only track on the album that I don't absolutely love and that's saying a lot for a metal band that's been making albums since the early 1980's! 


One thing I think they need to consider on future albums, though, write some material in slightly lower keys so that Dickinson doesn't have to strain so much.  There are a few passages here and there -"The Great Unknown" is a good example- where he is singing stuff that is clearly out of his range.  And it sounds pretty bad in those moments when he's trying (and just barely succeeding) to hit those high notes.   
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 03:08:20 PM
I dont know, he sounds pretty awesome on the album to me.  Maybe live I will agree with you, not sure what to expect out of him live now after everything.
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Post by: wolfking on September 18, 2015, 05:04:46 PM
The only song Bruce sonds slighty off is the chorus off Speed of Light, everything else, he sounds like a freaking god.
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Post by: The Holy Tune on September 18, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
Probably not that controversial (and possibly stated before, couldn't read the whole thread) but the album could've done without Death or Glory and Shadows of the Valley. The whole album is amazing, I have to listen to it as a whole at least once a day except for those two songs.

Never been a big fan of the band, but the album kinda got me into their music. If the rest is half as good as this (and it certainly is better, right?), I'm sure I'll enjoy listening to them very much! ;D
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 05:12:54 PM
Probably not that controversial (and possibly stated before, couldn't read the whole thread) but the album could've done without Death or Glory and Shadows of the Valley. The whole album is amazing, I have to listen to it as a whole at least once a day except for those two songs.

Never been a big fan of the band, but the album kinda got me into their music. If the rest is half as good as this (and it certainly is better, right?), I'm sure I'll enjoy listening to them very much! ;D

Better to some, this is up top with their best works IMO.

Also, those two songs are great.  Im glad they were included.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: 425 on September 18, 2015, 05:31:50 PM
I like Death or Glory and really like Shadows of the Valley. Honestly right now I think The Book of Souls/Death or Glory/Shadows of the Valley may be the best three-song run on the album.
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Post by: wolfking on September 18, 2015, 05:54:45 PM
I love those two songs too.
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Post by: krands85 on September 19, 2015, 02:49:59 PM
I'm really loving this album, which is even more pleasing considering that I didn't enjoy TFF at all. Unsurprisingly for me, the three long songs are among my favourite - the title track took a little longer to click with me than the others, but I've 'got it' now. I also really like If Eternity Should Fail and Tears of a Clown, but the whole album is pretty consistent - Death or Glory is the only one that doesn't do much for me right now.

The next UK tour will be a great time for me to see the band live for the first time!  :metal
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
Come on then. Fess up. Did this need to be a 90+ minute album ?

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Post by: jammindude on September 19, 2015, 02:57:45 PM
Come on then. Fess up. Did this need to be a 90+ minute album ?

On the first couple of spins, I could pick out 1 or 2 tracks I would have shaved to make a single disc...the problem is, I can't think of two people that would agree on the 12+ minutes that needed shaving in order to get it there...so, at the end of the day, ya it did. 
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Post by: Zydar on September 19, 2015, 02:59:29 PM
Come on then. Fess up. Did this need to be a 90+ minute album ?

Yes.
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Post by: ozzy554 on September 19, 2015, 03:48:13 PM
Yes. The only song I thought ran for a bit too long was The Red and the Black and The only song that even comes close to being filler for me was death or glory but even that was enjoyable.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 19, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
As someone who thinks most reunion-era albums have a fair amount of filler or repetitive songs, I can say BoS uses it's length very well to my ears.
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Post by: 425 on September 19, 2015, 04:34:47 PM
Come on then. Fess up. Did this need to be a 90+ minute album ?

Yes.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 19, 2015, 10:17:11 PM
As someone who thinks most reunion-era albums have a fair amount of filler or repetitive songs, I can say BoS uses it's length very well to my ears.

seconded.  i didnt like TFF at all, and part of it was because I felt some of the 'epics' were just long and boring.  nothing is really boring on TBoS.
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Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2015, 04:41:02 AM
Come on then. Fess up. Did this need to be a 90+ minute album ?

I wish it were longer.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on September 20, 2015, 06:21:52 AM
The only song Bruce sonds slighty off is the chorus off Speed of Light, everything else, he sounds like a freaking god.


eeeeehhhh, boy I sure would like to agree but there are a few objectively flat notes on here that sound pretty awful.  "The Great Unknown" is the worst.


With that said, though, those moments are pretty few and far between.  For the most part, considering his age and career span, I agree that Dickinson is an incredible talent.  And he's definitely still got it.  But with age comes reduced range.  (See: LaBrie).  It would have been better had he chosen a few notes on here a bit more carefully.  No way he pulls those off live.  Not a chance.  I've seen them live -pretty recently- and Dickinson pretty much avoids the majority of high notes when they're live.  He does it like a pro, though. 


My vocal teacher is always telling me in a live setting: "If you can't reach the note, don't try.  No note is better than a flat note."


Again, not bashing the guy.  I think he's amazing.  But it's time to face the fact that he's 50-something now, not 30-something.  And that G5 just ain't there anymore.




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Post by: jjrock88 on September 20, 2015, 10:56:31 AM
Come on then. Fess up. Did this need to be a 90+ minute album ?

I wish it were longer.

 :metal
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Post by: ErHaO on September 20, 2015, 04:21:37 PM
The only song Bruce sonds slighty off is the chorus off Speed of Light, everything else, he sounds like a freaking god.


eeeeehhhh, boy I sure would like to agree but there are a few objectively flat notes on here that sound pretty awful.  "The Great Unknown" is the worst.


With that said, though, those moments are pretty few and far between.  For the most part, considering his age and career span, I agree that Dickinson is an incredible talent.  And he's definitely still got it.  But with age comes reduced range.  (See: LaBrie).  It would have been better had he chosen a few notes on here a bit more carefully.  No way he pulls those off live.  Not a chance.  I've seen them live -pretty recently- and Dickinson pretty much avoids the majority of high notes when they're live.  He does it like a pro, though. 


My vocal teacher is always telling me in a live setting: "If you can't reach the note, don't try.  No note is better than a flat note."


Again, not bashing the guy.  I think he's amazing.  But it's time to face the fact that he's 50-something now, not 30-something.  And that G5 just ain't there anymore.

It is true Bruce's voice lowered and changed quite a lot in some ways. His reach definately took a hit, but thankfully that is just a small part of the picture. This album has a bit of a live feeling to it, with slight mistakes or rough patches here and there. But overall, I actually like that in this music or it doesn't bother me. He was never a spot on classical singer, his voice is great because of how unique and expressive it is. Overall, I love the vocals on this album, except for The Great Unknown. He barely manages pronouncing the words properly and really sounds uncomfortable at times. Which is a damn shame, because the actual song sounds quite good. I wish he sang lower on that one, or at least in parts.

Also, I think you mean "no note is worse than a flat note"?  :P Or maybe my English reading comprehension fails me here, haha.
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Post by: 425 on September 20, 2015, 04:50:51 PM
No, kirksnosehair is saying that it's better to not sing the note at all than to sing it flat. Therefore, singing no note at all is better than singing a flat note. I can see why it is confusing and why you'd read it as saying that there is not a note that is worse than a flat note.

And I disagree, by the way, when it comes to Bruce Dickinson. He's never been anything close to technically perfect, but he makes it work anyway. Live After Death is far, far away from his best vocal performance, and there are definitely times on that recording when he's not going for precision in singing the right notes, but rather, throwing powerful notes in wide vibrato that are somewhere near where he's trying to go. But that doesn't stop him from sounding pretty good and it doesn't stop that from being one of the most iconic live recordings in music history. He just pulls it off by being Bruce Dickinson.
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Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2015, 05:35:16 AM
I love his vocals on The Great Unknown, but at the same time, it could have come down a little.
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Post by: theseoafs on September 21, 2015, 01:39:10 PM
The only song Bruce sonds slighty off is the chorus off Speed of Light, everything else, he sounds like a freaking god.


eeeeehhhh, boy I sure would like to agree but there are a few objectively flat notes on here that sound pretty awful.  "The Great Unknown" is the worst.


With that said, though, those moments are pretty few and far between.  For the most part, considering his age and career span, I agree that Dickinson is an incredible talent.  And he's definitely still got it.  But with age comes reduced range.  (See: LaBrie).  It would have been better had he chosen a few notes on here a bit more carefully.  No way he pulls those off live.  Not a chance.  I've seen them live -pretty recently- and Dickinson pretty much avoids the majority of high notes when they're live.  He does it like a pro, though. 


My vocal teacher is always telling me in a live setting: "If you can't reach the note, don't try.  No note is better than a flat note."


Again, not bashing the guy.  I think he's amazing.  But it's time to face the fact that he's 50-something now, not 30-something.  And that G5 just ain't there anymore.

So, I think this has always been an element of Bruce's performance.  I don't know if his voice has changed all that much since the good old days, especially when compared to someone like Labrie.  But the vocals that go on the record are always pretty high and soaring, and when it comes to the highest notes, Bruce has been shooting for them and missing for a while.  (Example: see the verse of Aces High on Live After Death, which sounds more or less like the song when it's performed nowadays.)  It seems he has the opposite opinion of your vocal teacher, in that he'd prefer to sing something approximating what the written line is supposed to be, even if the resulting melody or intonation turns out not to be great.  Modifying the melody to suit his actual vocal register doesn't suit him.  Having said that, it's only in the most recent albums where that comes out on record instead of just in the live setting.

Like you, I'm not bashing, and he's one of my favorite vocalists.  But he's no stranger to being flat.
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Post by: 425 on September 21, 2015, 02:22:59 PM
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say earlier. Bruce has always been about trying to get close and never been about precisely hitting the note. Sometimes he'll just throw random changes into the vocal melodies, I think usually to make it easier while still sounding exciting. I mean, if you try to sing along to Live After Death and stick to the album melodies, half the time you'll be way off from where Bruce is and wonder "what the hell is he doing?"

Like the third verse of Revelations: "So we lay in a black embrace / And the seed is sown in a holy place / And I watched her and I waited for the dawn." Think about how he sings that on Piece of Mind and how he does it on Live After Death. He's actually much closer to the original melody on Flight 666.

I don't mind. He can get away with it. Most singers couldn't, but he can get away with it. His voice is just so naturally thick and powerful that he just makes it work.
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Post by: Stadler on September 21, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Well, if this sounds like I am a Bruce apologist, well, so be it, but there is more to the story, as Paul Harvey used to (sort of) say.

Listen to the doc on the A Matter of Life And Death disk, and there is a scene where Bruce is singing in the vocal booth without accompaniment, and it is AWESOME.  I mean, amazing stuff.  He's powerful, in tune, on point, and... I have a boner. 

But you look at guys that are still doing it, and except for Paul Stanley (and not even him now), EVERY ONE of those guys - Dio, Halford, Gillan, LaBrie - are all almost static.  When the notes have to be hit, they are standing still, in position to sing the best that they can.   Bruce is typically singing that line running back and forth on the cabinets, waving a Union Jack that is the size of my Buick.   Again, not making excuses, but there are different dimensions to this.   I have no doubt that if you wanted a lead SINGER to stand there with a mike stand and play Liam Gallagher, we wouldn't be having this conversation.   But holy hell, the guy has split his two front teeth from banging his microphone against them while running around stage.  You have to believe his singing is going to suffer at least SOMEWHAT for that.   And I haven't even mentioned the difference in sound from different points on the stage either.   
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Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2015, 03:11:20 PM
But while Bruce may have trouble standing still and his on stage antics do affect his live vocals, you'd think in the studio they could iron out his singing so that it is more "stable"?  I am not really complaining though, his vocals are great IMO.  I also wonder how many takes he did on TBoS album?  We know he didn't do many takes for TFF tracks which is both a sign that he is a great singer, but also that he doesn't put the time in to make the best vocals possible.
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Post by: TAC on September 21, 2015, 03:29:03 PM
I had asked this before, but at what point does the vocal take become final? Is it Steve's call? Bruce's? I get the feeling it ain't Shirley's.
I think of Birch pushing Bruce on the intro to The Number Of The Beast where he worked him tirelessly.
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Post by: King Postwhore on September 21, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
I had asked this before, but at what point does the vocal take become final? Is it Steve's call? Bruce's? I get the feeling it ain't Shirley's.
I think of Birch pushing Bruce on the intro to The Number Of The Beast where he worked him tirelessly.

I think all have input but in the end,  Bruce gets the final say.  A singer knows when he or she is happy with their performance.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2015, 03:39:24 PM
My guess, Bruce calls his own shots.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 21, 2015, 03:54:56 PM
i think Bono knows his limits live and if a note might be too hard - he sings it an octave lower. He also does that thing where he sort of just " says " the line.
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Post by: Stadler on September 22, 2015, 08:06:52 AM
I had asked this before, but at what point does the vocal take become final? Is it Steve's call? Bruce's? I get the feeling it ain't Shirley's.
I think of Birch pushing Bruce on the intro to The Number Of The Beast where he worked him tirelessly.

I don't know the exact inner workings of the band, but I would venture a guess that nothing goes on the record if Steve Harris isn't ultimately happy with it.

But here's the rub:  isn't this "art"?  The choices that are made to express the emotion?   There are plenty of musicians (we've mentioned several of them here) that would say "I don't need TECHNICALLY perfect, I need EMOTIONALLY perfect."   If each subsequent take is going to be more precise, but less resonant, there is a point where the artistic choice is "DONE".  Personally, it depends on the band, but with Maiden I don't need technically precise.   Maybe with Boston, or The Cars, or Queen, but there are bands - Kiss, Maiden, Sabbath - where the imperfections are what make it resonate.   Zeppelin.  The Beatles.   This is why a band like Queensryche never made it past the second tier with me.  Great musicians, strong songs (early on) but it was almost too sterile, too precise. 


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Post by: TAC on September 22, 2015, 10:17:27 AM
Stad what you say about technical vs mechanical, I was watching the making of AMOLAD DVD the other day and there's this great part where Shirley is saying the take they were listening to was tight and perfect and Steve say that it didn't feel right. He liked the looser take.
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Post by: Mladen on September 22, 2015, 12:01:56 PM
My guess, Bruce calls his own shots.
I agree. He might as well go out and say "This is a great take because I say so, I'm Bruce Dickinson."
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Post by: Stadler on September 22, 2015, 12:46:05 PM
My guess, Bruce calls his own shots.
I agree. He might as well go out and say "This is a great take because I say so, I'm Bruce Dickinson."

And, of course, he would be right, for the exact same reason.
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Post by: TempusVox on September 22, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
I can't believe people bashing his vocal performance. Then again, this is DTF.org. Home of Bashers Everywhere.  :\

Of course his range has taken a dip. So what?? He's 57!

 It's almost like if someone isn't pitch perfect every time, people want to criticize it. We get it. You know what a note sounds like. Good for you. Prog fans are the most critical of the bunch, but Jesus Christ, the guy had cancer on his fucking tongue! And his performance on the album is solid as Hell anyway.

With that said, I'm totally enjoying the album.

I really like TRatB. Of course, I'll find a song and play the shit out of it about 1,000 times before I move on to something else.

Overall a damn fine effort. Hope it's not their last and really hoping they tour the States next year too!
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Post by: TAC on September 22, 2015, 02:29:50 PM
Didn't know you were a Maiden fan, Temp.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 22, 2015, 02:47:46 PM
I can't believe people bashing his vocal performance. Then again, this is DTF.org. Home of Bashers Everywhere.  :\

Of course his range has taken a dip. So what?? He's 57!

 It's almost like if someone isn't pitch perfect every time, people want to criticize it. We get it. You know what a note sounds like. Good for you. Prog fans are the most critical of the bunch, but Jesus Christ, the guy had cancer on his fucking tongue! And his performance on the album is solid as Hell anyway.

With that said, I'm totally enjoying the album.

I really like TRatB. Of course, I'll find a song and play the shit out of it about 1,000 times before I move on to something else.

Overall a damn fine effort. Hope it's not their last and really hoping they tour the States next year too!

I can pretty much agree with all of this, including your song choice  :biggrin:
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Post by: ErHaO on September 22, 2015, 03:39:45 PM
Do note I wasn't bashing his vocal perfomance though, I actually really love it for the most part. I just think the Great Unknown feels really off as a whole. As for the rest of the album, I don't mind the less refined feeling at times and I love most of the vocal melodies.

I must admit I never was much of a fan of Live after Death though. Not denying it is a classic, but I just don't feel much for it compared to some of their other releases.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 22, 2015, 08:34:21 PM
I agree that there are parts where he seems to be struggling, but Maiden have never been about perfection - its whether or not something feels good.  The example of the NOTB intro is perfect; there would've been a whole mess of takes that were note-perfect, but only one that felt the way it needed to.

I must admit I never was much of a fan of Live after Death though. Not denying it is a classic, but I just don't feel much for it compared to some of their other releases.


Do you mean other live ones?  I would say there have been a whole mess of awesome live Maiden releases since the reunion, so its easy to see how LAD would be bottom of the bunch for some.  To me, its untouchable - warts and all. 
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Post by: TempusVox on September 22, 2015, 10:13:10 PM
Let me clarify, I wasn't referring to any one person. I meant the collective, or hive-mind critique if you will. Music, like all forms of art is subjective, which makes its magic even more special. But I feel like, especially with us prog aficionados, that we aren't happy unless we can find any flaw.

If Beethoven rose from the grave and began to play, someone here would invariably say, "It was cool and all he came back from the dead, but he was a little slow with his arpeggios, and his notes weren't that pronounced on the 3rd movement of "Moonlight Sonata". I mean Presto Agitato is supposed to be played "lively". If he couldn't do it right, why even bother crawling out of the grave to begin with?!!"

 :\

 :biggrin:
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 23, 2015, 12:59:19 AM
I find it amazing that singers get the most shit. If the guitar player bends a note a little flat, it's all part of his style. If a singer doesn't hit every note pitch perfect it's a big thing.

And as for Bruce's performance:

Everyone is strong on TBoS but I especially like Dickinson's vocal delivery here. You can hear that his voice changed over time and with age, he isn't reaching for the absolute high notes and sometimes his voice sounds strained, but he still sounds so powerful and deeply emotional, he still can hold notes like no other and has this vibrato, which I absolutely adore. And the guy is what? 57? Impressive!  :metal
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Post by: Scorpion on September 23, 2015, 02:27:20 AM
I'm not sure what you are so up-in-arms about Tempus. People have repeatedly said that it is to be expected and that he is doing a great job for his age and situation, but the fact remains that he doesn't measure up to his younger self - which nobody is expecting him to, kirk and theseoafs (who I guess you're referring to) have said so in their posts - and that has to be allowed to be stated.

Not every criticism is mindless bashing, and I find it a bit disheartening that a mod of all people would portray it as such.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 23, 2015, 04:07:05 AM
Well, who of the older generation metal singers does measure up to his/her younger self? I can't honestly name anyone that does. I think he does an increddible job, and with running about the damn stage all the time. I'd be dead after one half of a song...
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 23, 2015, 05:02:14 AM
he doesn't measure up to his younger self

yeah, he's much better :P

seriously, vocal performances from LAD vs F666... the improvement is staggering.
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Post by: wolfking on September 23, 2015, 05:09:25 AM
I'd say that the 80's studio albums have better vox from Bruce than the reunion albums, but live, his perfromances these days are so much better than back in the 80's.

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Post by: Mladen on September 23, 2015, 05:18:32 AM
he doesn't measure up to his younger self

yeah, he's much better :P

seriously, vocal performances from LAD vs F666... the improvement is staggering.
Easily. I think Bruce peaked between 2006 and 2009, he was just insanely fantastic.  :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2015, 06:34:24 AM
I like Bruce's vocals so much more now than from the 80s.  His voice matured and sounds better to me.   Specifically the time periods mentioned above.
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Post by: TempusVox on September 23, 2015, 08:17:25 AM
I'm not sure what you are so up-in-arms about Tempus. People have repeatedly said that it is to be expected and that he is doing a great job for his age and situation, but the fact remains that he doesn't measure up to his younger self - which nobody is expecting him to, kirk and theseoafs (who I guess you're referring to) have said so in their posts - and that has to be allowed to be stated.

Not every criticism is mindless bashing, and I find it a bit disheartening that a mod of all people would portray it as such.

You used the word mindless. It wasn't directed at anyone specifically; read my last post. I'm not "up-in-arms". Don't know why you'd be "disheartened" over my observation; or why me being a mod has anything to do with it. People are entitled to their opinions, and I'm entitled to mine and my observations. Because someone disagrees with my opinion of his voice doesn't make them a bad person. Reread my last post.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 23, 2015, 01:42:16 PM
I'd say that the 80's studio albums have better vox from Bruce than the reunion albums, but live, his perfromances these days are so much better than back in the 80's.

I'm impressed with Bruce from any era!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 25, 2015, 07:04:29 AM
Raw and Uncut | Bruce Dickinson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9n7xAh2v0)

The thing he said about Eddie was really interesting, never thought of him like that.
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Post by: Mladen on September 25, 2015, 07:09:15 AM
That's the way I've always tried to explain Eddie to the people who ask me why Maiden has a hideous monster as a mascot. It's one of the most profound moves in heavy metal history - lets have a mascot that will be a rock star, and we can be musicians.
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Post by: Dream Team on September 25, 2015, 08:40:06 PM
Come on guys, you realize he was screaming 6 nights a week on the Powerslave tour? Much easier on the voice when you don't tour such an insane schedule anymore.
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Post by: Dream Team on September 25, 2015, 08:41:11 PM
Oh, and the opening verses of The Man of Sorrows are some of my favorite Bruce vocals ever. Love that song, some of Davy's best solos.
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Post by: TempusVox on September 25, 2015, 09:51:47 PM
Raw and Uncut | Bruce Dickinson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9n7xAh2v0)

The thing he said about Eddie was really interesting, never thought of him like that.

Amazing perspective on Eddie. Although, instead of part of the band, I've always thought of Eddie as representation of the "fan"; which is the same in essence.
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Post by: TAC on September 27, 2015, 07:00:23 AM
Raw and Uncut | Bruce Dickinson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9n7xAh2v0)

The thing he said about Eddie was really interesting, never thought of him like that.

Amazing perspective on Eddie. Although, instead of part of the band, I've always thought of Eddie as representation of the "fan"; which is the same in essence.

I agree.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 30, 2015, 09:05:33 PM
Man, it'd be nice to have a gander at the dates for this thing. I won't actually purchase anything travel related until Thanksgiving, but I'd certainly appreciate some time to research how I'd like to play the thing. I'm betting against a Florida date, but I'd consider Miami-Tampa if there were; never been there and a couple of things I'd like to see. I'm kind of done with Phili/NYC, but that does offer the opportunity to catch several shows at once. Plus, I'd love to spend more time in DC. A Sunday night show in NY would certainly make that more attractive. Knocking around Quebec and Toronto, as well. It'd be nifty to see Bruce parle en francais for a night, plus, Quebec seems like a cool place.

At this point I'd just like to have some clue.
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Post by: TAC on October 01, 2015, 05:43:23 AM
Ask and you shall receive!
iron-maiden-will-open-the-book-of-souls-world-tour-in-florida-usa-on-feb-24-2016

FEB 24 - Ft Lauderdale, FLA - BB&T Center
 FEB 26 - Tulsa, OK - BOK Center
 FEB 28 - Las Vegas, NV - Mandalay Bay Events Center
 MAR 30 - New York - Madison Square Garden             
 APR 05 - Detroit, MI - Palace Of Auburn Hills
 APR 06 - Chicago, IL - United Center
 APR 11 - Tacoma, WA - Tacoma Dome
 APR 13 - Denver, CO - Pepsi Center
 APR 15 - Los Angeles, CA - The Forum

Canadian fans please note that your dates will be announced very soon!
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Post by: Deathless on October 01, 2015, 06:46:26 AM
They're coming back to the U.S. for another run of dates later, right?  :lol
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Post by: TAC on October 01, 2015, 06:56:45 AM
They're coming back to the U.S. for another run of dates later, right?  :lol

It didn't sound that way.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 01, 2015, 07:15:33 AM
Just got my fan club magazine and goodies in the mail yesterday, I'll be at the MSG gig!
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Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2015, 08:46:51 AM
I guess all I had to do was ask.

That's actually worse than I was expecting, and my expectations were very low for a US album tour. I was hoping for at least a second NE date. While MSG is one of those storied venues that I'd love to catch a show at, I don't have much interest at all in going to NYC for just one gig. At least it's not on a Saturday night, so I'd consider riding the train up from someplace interesting for the day, but it's not really ringing my bell. Hopefully the Canadian offerings will be better. A show in Montreal rather than Quebec City would certainly be helpful. All in all, Florida is looking like the winner.
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Post by: Mladen on October 01, 2015, 08:53:02 AM
Wow, only nine dates for the entire USA? They're not that big over there, right?
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Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2015, 09:00:19 AM
Wow, only nine dates for the entire USA? They're not that big over there, right?
Americans aren't supportive of the album tours; only greatest hits shows.
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Post by: 425 on October 01, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
That's actually worse than I was expecting, and my expectations were very low for a US album tour.

Yep. Nothing anywhere near me. Guess I'm not seeing them.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 01, 2015, 10:14:53 AM
I got this feeling, with the limited number of US shows, the tickets are going to be too expensive and/or will sell out pretty fast (even if it's for an album tour).  I'm probably not heading to the LA show then.  Maybe if I get lucky at the right moments in life though, perhaps.
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Post by: kaos2900 on October 01, 2015, 10:16:10 AM
I'm assuming that there will be bigger full on US tour late 16 or 17.
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Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2015, 10:23:27 AM
I got this feeling, with the limited number of US shows, the tickets are going to be too expensive and/or will sell out pretty fast (even if it's for an album tour).  I'm probably not heading to the LA show then.  Maybe if I get lucky at the right moments in life though, perhaps.
Tix for the Chicago show are dirt cheap (relatively speaking).     US $39.50 -   US $89.50

I really enjoyed seeing them at The Forum a few years back. Fantastic crowd and an amusing, old school venue. If there were also a SF show that'd be a contender for me.
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Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2015, 10:24:59 AM
I'm assuming that there will be bigger full on US tour late 16 or 17.
I would assume this as well. Yet I'm also mindful of the fact that they're going to run out of gas, and health issues will, at least according to statistics, catch up with them. I'd certainly not take anything for granted at this point.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 01, 2015, 11:01:42 AM
I'm assuming that there will be bigger full on US tour late 16 or 17.
I would assume this as well. Yet I'm also mindful of the fact that they're going to run out of gas, and health issues will, at least according to statistics, catch up with them. I'd certainly not take anything for granted at this point.

Thats the way I feel too, historically they would do a full US tour at some point, but at this stage in their careers who knows.  I am lucky enough to not have to figure out how to see them, but even if they do follow up with a full US tour next year, it could be more of a greatest hits set than heavy on TBoS.
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Post by: TAC on October 01, 2015, 11:24:05 AM
I'm assuming that there will be bigger full on US tour late 16 or 17.
I wouldn't assume that. There's no indication that'd be the case.
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Post by: 425 on October 01, 2015, 11:31:52 AM
I'm assuming that there will be bigger full on US tour late 16 or 17.
I wouldn't assume that. There's no indication that'd be the case.

Yeah, I'm willing to bet that this is all of The Book of Souls that the U.S. gets.
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Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2015, 11:58:08 AM
I'm assuming that there will be bigger full on US tour late 16 or 17.
I wouldn't assume that. There's no indication that'd be the case.
They tend to alternate album tours with greatest hits tours. Give Me Ed Til I'm dead, Eddie Rips up the World and Somewhere Back in Time were all between album tours.
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Post by: TAC on October 01, 2015, 01:26:59 PM
I know that! ;D

Just not sure what they'll be promoting. The next installment of the History Of?

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Post by: kaos2900 on October 01, 2015, 01:31:07 PM
The only show I could go to would be Denver and the date is too close to the due date of my next kid.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on October 01, 2015, 01:35:22 PM
That's actually worse than I was expecting, and my expectations were very low for a US album tour.

Yep. Nothing anywhere near me. Guess I'm not seeing them.

Guess I'm not seeing them either  :'(
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Post by: 425 on October 01, 2015, 01:44:21 PM
I know that! ;D

Just not sure what they'll be promoting. The next installment of the History Of?

Problem is, up next would be the 90s, which would not be likely to be a popular tour either (though I personally would want to see that assuming they gave the Blaze albums a healthy amount of time).
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Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
I know that! ;D

Just not sure what they'll be promoting. The next installment of the History Of?
Well, they sort of did the latter years thing with the US TFF tour (which was kick ass). But I'm not sure they need to be promoting anything to tour. They've come out as package deals, just because, which afford them the opportunity to play places they wouldn't normally get to. Give Me Ed wasn't promoting anything and they played a lot of venues off the beaten track; 4 Tx dates and 5 Ca. I just think that given the tiny scale of this US tour they'll be back for a large scale one to hit all the major cities they're skipping.

Also, there's a big difference between an Ed Force One tour and something else. It's not practical to hit 5 places in Cali like that. Doing it the old school way it's very practical. I suspect EFO is largely promotional. It's a unique way to do things that commands attention, yet isn't as practical as it'd seem. It really only works well for spread out locales. As I recall, they flew into Australia and then trucked everything around within, for example. They're also making use of EFO for part of the Europe dates for the first time, but not all.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 01, 2015, 03:53:15 PM
Also, there's a big difference between an Ed Force One tour and something else. It's not practical to hit 5 places in Cali like that. Doing it the old school way it's very practical. I suspect EFO is largely promotional. It's a unique way to do things that commands attention, yet isn't as practical as it'd seem. It really only works well for spread out locales. As I recall, they flew into Australia and then trucked everything around within, for example. They're also making use of EFO for part of the Europe dates for the first time, but not all.

Yup, logistics and all is the reason why not many US dates, all dates are spreadout to cover larger areas to make sense for using the plane.  Although they've done this before, I wouldn't mind another Flight 66 movie again.  So much drama with this band, new album, and tour.  It would be repetitive, but what can I say, I am a die hard and would eat it up, and obviously a live concert with the new tracks.

We can track the plane right?  I wonder which NYC area airport they will fly into, if Newark then I would love to try and get a shot if the plane landing.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 01, 2015, 04:10:08 PM
Well I'm definitely gonna shoot for Chicago tickets!
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 01, 2015, 08:44:41 PM
APR 11 - Tacoma, WA - Tacoma Dome

Worst venue in the PNW. Woohoo. Wasn't sure if I was going to see them on this tour, ignoring the possibility that they might not come this way and make my decision moot. Not sure what to do now.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 01, 2015, 08:51:32 PM
What would have been the best venue in that area?  The Gorge Amphitheater?
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Post by: Nick on October 01, 2015, 08:56:04 PM
Hmm, seems I'll be heading to NYC next year.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 01, 2015, 09:25:21 PM
What would have been the best venue in that area?  The Gorge Amphitheater?

Hard for me to say, as I rarely go to big ticket shows around here. I go more often to smaller venue shows. Of course the Gorge is beautiful, and a great setting for a show. Maiden played the White River Amphitheater the last couple times, and I enjoyed those shows. It's way off the beaten track, but they offer a good shuttle (meaning school buses) service to avoid parking and the limited access routes.

Key would be the other big arena in the area, and I don't think it is much better, though I haven't seen a show there in ages. It's old, and Seattle traffic and parking is atrocious.
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Post by: jammindude on October 01, 2015, 10:14:02 PM
APR 11 - Tacoma, WA - Tacoma Dome

Worst venue in the PNW. Woohoo. Wasn't sure if I was going to see them on this tour, ignoring the possibility that they might not come this way and make my decision moot. Not sure what to do now.

And it's on a Monday.....a FREAKIN MONDAY!!!   :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored

I was looking forward to this, but I'm not sure now.    The T-Dome is not terrible acoustically, it's just old.   It was built in the early 80's and it totally shows.   But I've seen some amazing shows in the T-Dome over the years.    Heck, my very first rock show was in the T-Dome.   Judas Priest on the Turbo tour with Dokken opening.

The Kingdome was far, FAR worse.   
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 01, 2015, 10:38:41 PM
Spot on. Not a terrible concert venue in terms of sound and presentation. I will say the T-Dome seats are not built for anyone over 5'4". I grew up in Tacoma, and remember it being such a big deal to have a dome. I mean, a freaking DOME! This was back when dome stadiums were sprouting up everywhere. I never saw a show at the Kingdome, just Mariner games, back when they sucked. Oh wait...
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Post by: jammindude on October 01, 2015, 11:07:41 PM
Imagine playing in a literal CAVE.

Now imagine Pink Floyd coming to town and trying to perform a surround sound show......in a giant concrete cave!!

It was a disaster!
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Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
I pre-booked a hotel next to MSG for the concert evening since its a damn Wednesday.  Scooped that up before prices get NYC crazy.
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Post by: El Barto on October 02, 2015, 09:41:02 AM
I pre-booked a hotel next to MSG for the concert evening since its a damn Wednesday.  Scooped that up before prices get NYC crazy.
The Wednesday actually works in your favor. Hotels will be quite a bit cheaper. Sunday would have been better, but Fri or Sat would have been completely unaffordable.

In any event, people should wait 7 more weeks before making travel plans. Black Friday will save you a ton of money on something like this. I certainly won't be pulling the trigger on my concert trip plans until then.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2015, 02:11:02 PM
True but on a weekend I could just take the train home, on a Wednesday I'd plan to go to work so spending the night there saves me big time with commuting.  I actually do this a lot for week concerts in the city now and it helps having status with IHG.
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Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2015, 09:07:04 PM
I was thinking today...  (always time for a first, eh?  :xbones ) 

I know Maiden loves their fans no matter where they reside, but over the years I've sincerely gotten the feeling that they personally *hate* the US concert business model...and I don't blame them really.     There are not too many business models in the world that are more corrupt than the US concert promotion/ticketing industry (I would almost say "congress, maybe"...but that's not technically a business.)   If I could make more money playing the rest of the world and then have nothing to do with the whole system in the US, I would totally do it.   Maybe do a few dates in a few major cities just so the big fans could have a fix....but have as little to do with the self eating machine as possible.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2015, 09:32:59 AM
Except I would imagine they make a lot of money by touring the US. But I do believe they don't enjoy playing here due to the fan base sadly.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 03, 2015, 10:27:40 AM
I know that I'm late to this notion (as I am with everything with Maiden), but it is an absolute crime that they haven't played Alexander The Great live. What are they playing at??
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Post by: 425 on October 03, 2015, 10:42:43 AM
Basically they decided to play Rime again in 1986 instead. And they have a religious belief against playing a song that they skipped on the tour for its album.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 03, 2015, 10:47:23 AM
And they have a religious belief against playing a song that they skipped on the tour for its album.

That's just plain stupid. It would be a nice surprise, and welcomed with open arms.
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Post by: 425 on October 03, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
I suppose they're not so sure about that. It would be welcomed with open arms by people like you or me, but I'm not sure that the "Play Classics" people would be so welcoming of Alexander at the expense of The Trooper and Run to the Hills.

In any case, I suspect that they hardly even consider debuting a song from that era that hasn't been played. I could be wrong, but I don't think that even crosses their mind, really.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 03, 2015, 11:13:32 AM
Yeah I guess. It just sucks that because of a simple decision to play Rime instead of Alexander in '86, one of their greatest songs will be forever ignored. But what're you gonna do.
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Post by: El Barto on October 03, 2015, 11:41:49 AM
I was thinking today...  (always time for a first, eh?  :xbones ) 

I know Maiden loves their fans no matter where they reside, but over the years I've sincerely gotten the feeling that they personally *hate* the US concert business model...and I don't blame them really.     There are not too many business models in the world that are more corrupt than the US concert promotion/ticketing industry (I would almost say "congress, maybe"...but that's not technically a business.)   If I could make more money playing the rest of the world and then have nothing to do with the whole system in the US, I would totally do it.   Maybe do a few dates in a few major cities just so the big fans could have a fix....but have as little to do with the self eating machine as possible.
I think they were pretty up front about it for a while. They were annoyed that all of the great seats up front went to the people who could afford them, who are not the same people that'll actually get into what they want to play. The people who would actually cheer when they play Lord of Light or something tend to be way towards the back. At this point I can't see how the money really matters all that much, so I generally tend to think of their US tours as a handout to us, the loyal fans, more than anything else.
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Post by: Dream Team on October 04, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
I'm impressed with how long Bosk has held off commenting on BoS. He must really want to make sure he's digested it first. Or maybe he's still getting over the Steelers thrashing the Niners.  ;D

After a month of listening, I can say I much prefer Disk 2 - without the Speed of Light, I hardly have a reason to listen to Disk 1. (not saying it's terrible, but the 3 "epics" don't grab me as much as they seem to for others)
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Post by: wolfking on October 05, 2015, 04:58:08 AM
I'm still regulary listening to this album, it's unbelievable.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 05, 2015, 05:15:40 AM
I don't think Bosk has heard it yet.  ;)

I'm more and more impressed by this album, even more given the fact Bruce had cancer when he was recording this. Amazing performance!
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Post by: Mladen on October 05, 2015, 05:31:47 AM
Yeah, I'm still coming back to this album pretty much every other day. The Red and the black is fantastic, that's probably the one I return to quite often. It's also impressive how strong the shorter songs are, especially When the river runs deep, Death or glory, The Man of sorrows, they did a fantastic job with having some more direct, catchy tunes in there along with their most ambitious, epic stuff yet.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2015, 09:48:39 AM
From their website, the South American leg dates:

Quote
Maiden’s Latin America tour continues with 10 more shows including first-ever visits to El Salvador and to Cordoba in Argentina. The full list of dates:

MAR 06 - EL SALVADOR, San Salvador - Estadio Jorge Magico Gonzalez (on sale November 28)
MAR 08 - COSTA RICA, San Jose - Estadio Ricardo Saprissa (on sale October 29)
MAR 11 - CHILE, Santiago - Estadio Nacional (on sale October 9)
MAR 13 - ARGENTINA, Cordoba - Estadio Mario Kempes (on sale October 13)
MAR 15 - ARGENTINA, Buenos Aires - Estadio Velez Sarsfield (on sale October 20)
MAR 17 - BRAZIL, Rio De Janeiro - HSBC Arena (on sale November 12)
MAR 19 - BRAZIL, Belo Horizonte - Esplanada Do Mineirao (on sale November 19)
MAR 22 - BRAZIL, Brasilia - Nilson Nelson Arena (on sale November 20)
MAR 24 - BRAZIL, Fortaleza - Ginasio Olimpico (on sale November 26)
MAR 26 - BRAZIL, Sao Paulo - Allianz Parque (on sale November 5)

Special guests on this leg of the tour will be Anthrax (except El Salvador) with support also from The Raven Age.
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Post by: El Barto on October 06, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
This whole thing is becoming a real bummer. On the assumption that they would be playing the Foro Sol I was strongly considering catching this in DF. I have no interest in flying to Mexico just to see them play indoors, though.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on October 06, 2015, 11:19:01 AM
guess I'll be trying for MSG then, don't want to wait and not end up catching them...
if anyone finds the venue presale for thursday would they mind posting the code here? won't be available during the public onsale
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2015, 11:31:48 AM
guess I'll be trying for MSG then, don't want to wait and not end up catching them...
if anyone finds the venue presale for thursday would they mind posting the code here? won't be available during the public onsale

You havent missed anything, I was on at noon and couldnt get the close floor GA pit after trying for the past hour or so.  The site couldn't handle the requests and only some people were offered the WEST GA pit (the floor pit closer to the stage) based on what I read on the fan club forum.  I bought up my tickets in the top section 300s but got first row in the section so I can lean over the balcony.  So bummed I could not get the front pit.  I may try when they go on sale for public and then sell what I got for myself already.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on October 06, 2015, 11:39:40 AM
guess I'll be trying for MSG then, don't want to wait and not end up catching them...
if anyone finds the venue presale for thursday would they mind posting the code here? won't be available during the public onsale

You havent missed anything, I was on at noon and couldnt get the close floor GA pit after trying for the past hour or so.  The site couldn't handle the requests and only some people were offered the WEST GA pit (the floor pit closer to the stage) based on what I read on the fan club forum.  I bought up my tickets in the top section 300s but got first row in the section so I can lean over the balcony.  So bummed I could not get the front pit.  I may try when they go on sale for public and then sell what I got for myself already.

is the pit accessible to anyone besides fan club? i wasn't sure how that worked, and on the ticket site it doesn't show a price level for GA, only for floor seating
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Post by: El Barto on October 06, 2015, 11:47:17 AM
Sorry to hear there's a pit at all, honestly. They should do like The Forum in LA and just make the entire floor GA. Another mark against seeing the MSG show, I guess. This might wind up being a deal where Tulsa Fucking  Oklahoma winds up being the best option, and that would be demoralizing beyond belief.


edit: just saw the seating map and that's a pretty asinine approach. Who the hell wants to buy a GA ticket that will only get you halfway to the front?
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2015, 12:06:44 PM
guess I'll be trying for MSG then, don't want to wait and not end up catching them...
if anyone finds the venue presale for thursday would they mind posting the code here? won't be available during the public onsale

You havent missed anything, I was on at noon and couldnt get the close floor GA pit after trying for the past hour or so.  The site couldn't handle the requests and only some people were offered the WEST GA pit (the floor pit closer to the stage) based on what I read on the fan club forum.  I bought up my tickets in the top section 300s but got first row in the section so I can lean over the balcony.  So bummed I could not get the front pit.  I may try when they go on sale for public and then sell what I got for myself already.

is the pit accessible to anyone besides fan club? i wasn't sure how that worked, and on the ticket site it doesn't show a price level for GA, only for floor seating

If there are tickets available when they go on sale to the public (which I imagine there will be) then yes, it is not a fan club only thing.

And I personally would rather the pit on the floor, seats ruin the atmosphere that close to the stage and there are plenty of seats in the arena for those who want a seat.  Also, I like how there are two pits, it makes being in the closer pit (WEST in the case for MSG) better since the people in the back cant push their way up front.  But it also means that the second pit is essentially shitty seats for the price (same price as the close pit).  I ended up with the cheapest tickets ($81 after taxes and BS) but got the first row in the last section so I should have a decent view at least and MSG is a pretty small arena so even the back section wont be too far away.
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Post by: El Barto on October 06, 2015, 12:31:13 PM
The West pit is a great deal if you can get it. The East pit and seats down there are a waste of space. Hell, the smart move would probably be to move that seated section into the middle, so people can have decent floor seats, and put the East pit behind it and charge half price so the poor folk can still see the show.

New Yorkers seem to have funny ideas about general admission, honestly. Despite all the love Highline Ballroom gets, I had the same opinion about that. GA there was just a drag.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on October 06, 2015, 12:36:25 PM
guess I'll be trying for MSG then, don't want to wait and not end up catching them...
if anyone finds the venue presale for thursday would they mind posting the code here? won't be available during the public onsale

You havent missed anything, I was on at noon and couldnt get the close floor GA pit after trying for the past hour or so.  The site couldn't handle the requests and only some people were offered the WEST GA pit (the floor pit closer to the stage) based on what I read on the fan club forum.  I bought up my tickets in the top section 300s but got first row in the section so I can lean over the balcony.  So bummed I could not get the front pit.  I may try when they go on sale for public and then sell what I got for myself already.

is the pit accessible to anyone besides fan club? i wasn't sure how that worked, and on the ticket site it doesn't show a price level for GA, only for floor seating

If there are tickets available when they go on sale to the public (which I imagine there will be) then yes, it is not a fan club only thing.

And I personally would rather the pit on the floor, seats ruin the atmosphere that close to the stage and there are plenty of seats in the arena for those who want a seat.  Also, I like how there are two pits, it makes being in the closer pit (WEST in the case for MSG) better since the people in the back cant push their way up front.  But it also means that the second pit is essentially shitty seats for the price (same price as the close pit).  I ended up with the cheapest tickets ($81 after taxes and BS) but got the first row in the last section so I should have a decent view at least and MSG is a pretty small arena so even the back section wont be too far away.
do you remember the price for the west pit? the only price i see for that general area is $125 for floor seating, but the GA pits aren't specified. 
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
guess I'll be trying for MSG then, don't want to wait and not end up catching them...
if anyone finds the venue presale for thursday would they mind posting the code here? won't be available during the public onsale

You havent missed anything, I was on at noon and couldnt get the close floor GA pit after trying for the past hour or so.  The site couldn't handle the requests and only some people were offered the WEST GA pit (the floor pit closer to the stage) based on what I read on the fan club forum.  I bought up my tickets in the top section 300s but got first row in the section so I can lean over the balcony.  So bummed I could not get the front pit.  I may try when they go on sale for public and then sell what I got for myself already.

is the pit accessible to anyone besides fan club? i wasn't sure how that worked, and on the ticket site it doesn't show a price level for GA, only for floor seating

If there are tickets available when they go on sale to the public (which I imagine there will be) then yes, it is not a fan club only thing.

And I personally would rather the pit on the floor, seats ruin the atmosphere that close to the stage and there are plenty of seats in the arena for those who want a seat.  Also, I like how there are two pits, it makes being in the closer pit (WEST in the case for MSG) better since the people in the back cant push their way up front.  But it also means that the second pit is essentially shitty seats for the price (same price as the close pit).  I ended up with the cheapest tickets ($81 after taxes and BS) but got the first row in the last section so I should have a decent view at least and MSG is a pretty small arena so even the back section wont be too far away.
do you remember the price for the west pit? the only price i see for that general area is $125 for floor seating, but the GA pits aren't specified.

Same price for East or West.  I am going to keep my eyes out for west tickets in case they release more which I bet they will, I'd imagine some are being held out for other presales and for general sales although getting them will still be really difficult.

New Yorkers seem to have funny ideas about general admission, honestly. Despite all the love Highline Ballroom gets, I had the same opinion about that. GA there was just a drag.
Never been there so cannot comment, but the floor seating for IM is actually set to how IM want it.  They request to have open pit in the front if the venue has that option.  Also, surprised there isn't the "ticketless" stuff this time around, while it was a pain, I thought it worked for what IM intended it to do which was get the biggest fans in the front and not the richest fans.  Looking at stubhub will tell the story that the rich will be up front most likely.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on October 06, 2015, 01:18:13 PM
I wonder if that's with fees included, id have to assume it isn't  :yeahright
oiy, definitely more than i want to spend especially with new york comic con this weekend, but if i can get a hold on a pit ticket i don't think i could pass it up...
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Post by: El Barto on October 06, 2015, 01:30:32 PM
New Yorkers seem to have funny ideas about general admission, honestly. Despite all the love Highline Ballroom gets, I had the same opinion about that. GA there was just a drag.
Never been there so cannot comment, but the floor seating for IM is actually set to how IM want it.  They request to have open pit in the front if the venue has that option.  Also, surprised there isn't the "ticketless" stuff this time around, while it was a pain, I thought it worked for what IM intended it to do which was get the biggest fans in the front and not the richest fans.  Looking at stubhub will tell the story that the rich will be up front most likely.
Oh, I approve whole-heartedly of the pit up front. It's the divided pit that bugs me. I either want seats up front or GA that's the entire floor. GA in the rear is awful. Also, The Forum in LA is doing ticketless, so that might be a NYC deal; not sure. It does seem to be something Maiden is doing this tour.


edit: ticketless entry in Miami, as well.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2015, 01:37:35 PM
New Yorkers seem to have funny ideas about general admission, honestly. Despite all the love Highline Ballroom gets, I had the same opinion about that. GA there was just a drag.
Never been there so cannot comment, but the floor seating for IM is actually set to how IM want it.  They request to have open pit in the front if the venue has that option.  Also, surprised there isn't the "ticketless" stuff this time around, while it was a pain, I thought it worked for what IM intended it to do which was get the biggest fans in the front and not the richest fans.  Looking at stubhub will tell the story that the rich will be up front most likely.
Oh, I approve whole-heartedly of the pit up front. It's the divided pit that bugs me. I either want seats up front or GA that's the entire floor. GA in the rear is awful. Also, The Forum in LA is doing ticketless, so that might be a NYC deal; not sure. It does seem to be something Maiden is doing this tour.


edit: ticketless entry in Miami, as well.

Yup, just did some looking up and found that ticketless events is now against the law in NYC, hence the situation. 

I wonder if that's with fees included, id have to assume it isn't  :yeahright
oiy, definitely more than i want to spend especially with new york comic con this weekend, but if i can get a hold on a pit ticket i don't think i could pass it up...

It's not including the fees.  I got the cheapest face value ticket which is $81 after all is said and done.
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Post by: TAC on October 08, 2015, 07:18:54 AM
Canadian tour dates!

April
 1 - Montreal, QC - Bell Centre
 3 - Toronto, ON - Air Canada Centre                     
 8 - Edmonton, AB - Rexall Place
 10 - Vancouver, BC - Rogers Arena
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Post by: TAC on October 08, 2015, 08:01:40 AM
Cool interview with Adrian.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/adrian-smith-on-iron-maidens-new-album-the-book-of-souls-627665
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Post by: Zydar on October 08, 2015, 08:10:12 AM
Cool interview with Adrian.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/adrian-smith-on-iron-maidens-new-album-the-book-of-souls-627665

It's cool that he referenced DT in there :tup

"We’re not proggy to that extent, like when you hear Dream Theater - we’re sort of on the straighter side of proggy, if you like."
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Post by: Art on October 08, 2015, 08:21:19 AM
I am going to the São Paulo show. It´s going to be on my soccer team´s stadium, that happens to be 3 blocks away from my house. So, that will be nice.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on October 08, 2015, 09:20:43 AM
to answer my own request, i found two presale codes for MSG: "Souls" and "WBAB"
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Post by: El Barto on October 08, 2015, 11:08:53 AM
Man, I can't buy a break here. Playing Montreal first complicates things since I'd likely need to be flying into YYZ.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 08, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Just come to MSG, we should do a meet up since it seems a few from here are going.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 08, 2015, 10:10:46 PM
I haven't ruled MSG out. NYC really wouldn't be my first choice, though. And honestly, that West-East GA thing really bugs the hell out of me. If I were to hit NYC it'd be part of some grander scheme, but I really won't know anything for sure until Thanksgiving. I've got a couple of directions I could go, and the hotel and airline black Friday deals will almost certainly be the determining factor. As it is now, weather, geography, and the bands itinerary and choice of venues are really making most of the options pretty meh for me. None of it is jumping out at me as a great trip idea.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 09, 2015, 05:01:31 AM
Ordered a ticket for their one concert in the Netherland in june. First time to ever see them live. Crappy venue, lots of travel by train, but hey, it´s Maiden.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 13, 2015, 06:40:21 PM
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SECOND LA SHOW ADDED DUE TO OVERWHELMING DEMAND

We’ve just added a second night at the LA Forum on April 16.

The show goes on sale on Saturday October 17th with an exclusive fanclub presale taking place on Wednesday 14th.

US dates went on sale nationally on Saturday with Madison Square Garden selling out in 45 min, followed by the LA Forum and with other dates fast approaching sell out.

Due to the band's schedule no other US dates can be added at this time but dates in Canada go on sale on Friday Oct 16 for Montreal, Toronto, Edmonton and Vancouver.

Well no more US dates confirmed, and wow MSG sold out quick.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2015, 06:51:13 PM
Not really holding out hope but "at this time" in interesting. Hopefully something next summer.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on October 20, 2015, 10:22:31 AM
Even though Empire of the Clouds may not be played live in the live shows, next year, Nicko thinks they may play it some day, especially if they somehow play it (amongst other songs) with an orchestra and Bruce may have ideas regarding that song.

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In a recent interview, drummer Nicko McBrain spoke about wanting Iron Maiden to perform with an orchestra. “I think [“Empire Of The Clouds”] will probably be performed somewhere along the line, whether it’s in an Iron Maiden formula, or whether it’ll be Bruce doing something with that song with someone else, perhaps,” said McBrain. “But I don’t think we can really see playing that one live, ’cause there’s so much going on.”

Dickinson echoed Nicko’s statement, confirming that “Empire of the Clouds” won’t be featured on Iron Maiden’s upcoming world tour. “It is such an overwhelming song to do for everybody,” Bruce says. “That, just is going to be too unwieldy in the context of a big, hairy rock and roll show.”

But never one to shy away from a challenge, Bruce is interested in turning “Empire of the Clouds” into an even bigger spectacle. “I’d love to actually do a one-off — or who knows what it might turn into — a project with an orchestra and a narrative and a couple of actors to tell the story in between the pieces and film it and extend it to 35-40 minutes.”

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/nicko_mcbrain_wants_iron_maiden_to_play_with_an_orchestra.html

https://loudwire.com/exclusive-iron-maiden-bruce-dickinson-may-turn-empire-of-the-clouds-theatrical-production/

I'd watch it.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 20, 2015, 10:47:56 AM
Interesting, I find some of that far fetched though even though it is coming from their mouths.  They just seem to have so much going on (specifically Bruce), but it wouldn't surprise me to see them pull something like that off although it seems more of a Bruce solo thing (like they hinted) vs IM.
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Post by: Stadler on October 20, 2015, 11:10:28 AM
For me, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to hear Maiden with an orchestra as much as any band out there.

I think with some creative arranging, that would be epic beyond words, and I know the band (especially Murray and Dickinson) could really do it justice.   

I have wood.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 20, 2015, 12:48:59 PM
For me, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to hear Maiden with an orchestra as much as any band out there.

Oh totally, I would love it if they did that as well, but I thought they were on record of saying it wasn't something they were interested in, but obviously time changes things and with what they talked about with EotC, it seems like it would be fitting for even more songs now. 

I also see that IM are playing Wacken next year, man do I really want to go to that festival.
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 20, 2015, 02:28:34 PM
For me, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to hear Maiden with an orchestra as much as any band out there.

I think with some creative arranging, that would be epic beyond words, and I know the band (especially Murray and Dickinson) could really do it justice.   

I have wood.

It would get my money
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Post by: TAC on October 20, 2015, 02:33:28 PM
I guess it'd be OK, but I am so put off with all these bands playing with an orchestra. To me that jumped the shark a long time ago.
I mean, I love Iron Maiden, but I'm not sure I could get really excited about it. I'd rather just have them play it and have The Count play the keyboard patches.
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Post by: Stadler on October 21, 2015, 07:47:53 AM
The Journeyman with real strings!  I'm in.
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Post by: Mladen on October 21, 2015, 08:12:13 AM
Yeah, Journeyman and Empire of the clouds would be the two that need to be performed with an orchestra. Maybe it's time for a game of "make an Iron Maiden + orchestra set list", huh?  ;D

I'll take some time to do mine.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 21, 2015, 09:25:02 AM
Paschendale would have to be played.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 21, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
The Legacy would sound awesome with strings.
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Post by: wolfking on October 22, 2015, 06:30:37 AM
Maiden with an orchestra?!  Hell yeah.  Would they be able to make a whole set though.  Doesn't seem to be many that would fit, although it would be awesome.  There's a few easy ones though;

SOTC
DOD
The Nomad
Empire
FTGGOG (would be cool)
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 23, 2015, 12:37:23 AM
I guess it'd be OK, but I am so put off with all these bands playing with an orchestra. To me that jumped the shark a long time ago.
I mean, I love Iron Maiden, but I'm not sure I could get really excited about it. I'd rather just have them play it and have The Count play the keyboard patches.

This.

Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Cool Chris on October 23, 2015, 08:19:46 PM
I love the booklet, and the band picture is probably my favorite of any I've seen.

And the music is pretty damn good too!
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 04, 2015, 08:50:20 AM
Quick question for yall.

What album do yous guys like more: No Prayer For The Dying or Fear of the Dark?
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Post by: Mladen on November 04, 2015, 08:52:43 AM
I'd pick Prayer, but they're both extremely average.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 04, 2015, 09:18:45 AM
Fear...just.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Zydar on November 04, 2015, 09:35:14 AM
I'd pick Prayer, but they're both extremely average.

This.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Art on November 04, 2015, 09:37:52 AM
Quick question for yall.

What album do yous guys like more: No Prayer For The Dying or Fear of the Dark?

No Prayer.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on November 04, 2015, 11:46:10 AM
Fear Of The Dark has much stronger material. 
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Post by: cramx3 on November 04, 2015, 12:33:27 PM
Fear of the Dark, but not by much and both are not very good albums overall.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on November 04, 2015, 09:16:16 PM
FOTD, easily.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: 425 on November 04, 2015, 11:09:19 PM
I listened to Fear of the Dark a few weeks ago and it wasn't as weak as I had remembered... but it's still the weakest IM album. It has some very good material, but also several tracks which constitute the band's very worst songs. No Prayer wins for me by a nose.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on November 05, 2015, 12:29:53 AM
Fear it is, although both are just mediocre.
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Post by: Mladen on November 05, 2015, 01:33:41 AM
The thing is, No prayer doesn't have a single song I would call great. Fear of the dark, on the other hand, has Afraid to shoot strangers and the title track. However, the lows on Fear are just extreme lows, easily the worst songs the band has ever put out, such as Weekend warrior, Childhood's end, The Fugitive, The Apparition. No prayer has only one bad song, which is The Assassin. That's why Fear gets my vote, there are waaaay too many songs that drag it down, whereas Prayer has a bunch of okay songs.

Just talking about Maiden album having okay songs instead of fantastic ones reminds me that these two albums are hugely below their standards.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 05, 2015, 08:08:40 AM
Fear Of The Dark has much stronger material.
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Post by: TAC on November 05, 2015, 04:29:57 PM
Awesome interview with Nicko:
https://bravewords.com/features/iron-maidens-nicko-mcbrain-i-have-a-love-affair-with-five-guys-and-the-sex-is-the-music

Love how he discusses the writing of Empire.
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Post by: wolfking on November 05, 2015, 04:31:42 PM
Haven't read the article but the quote in the headline is fucking incredible.  :lol
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 09, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
Great interview!  Always love reading/hearing Nick speak - he has the energy and passion of someone half his age.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 10, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
I bet this will be interesting.
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-frontman-bruce-dickinson-to-release-memoirs-in-fall-2017-it-was-flattering-to-be-approached-to-write-a-book-about-my-experiences
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2015, 06:37:07 PM
I'll definitely buy it, no question.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 10, 2015, 07:01:14 PM
Dang it, you guys beat me to the punch about that one.

Uhhhh, yes pls.  I will definitely buy and read a book about Bruce's life, written by Bruce.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 11, 2015, 01:13:51 AM
Brilliant.  I must've read Run to the Hills at least a dozen times through, and Bruce's chapter was always my favourite, very entertaining and informative.  This will be an awesome read!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 11, 2015, 01:27:50 AM
Interesting, will definitely read that! Did anyone read the BD biography by Joe Shooman? Actually thought that was pretty good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 11, 2015, 01:37:11 AM
This could be interesting.
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Post by: El Barto on November 15, 2015, 06:58:15 PM
For those of us old enough to remember Listen With Nicko, this is a great blast from the past.

Nicko sings Age of Innocence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMOZIPvcQUY)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 16, 2015, 06:52:32 AM
Nicko, here!!!  Hi.   Hi.   


We're gonna put it on a CD!!!!!!!

I loved that stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 29, 2015, 02:31:23 PM
This continues to be the most aggravating tour I've dealt with in a while. Pretty much every aspect of it sucks. At first I thought it was just the American tour that was awful, but even the European dates leave a ton to desire. Most of them are part of festivals and the ones that aren't are in the most expensive time of the year to fly over there. I've always got Tulsa as a fallback to make sure I see them, but the more interesting trips really are a fucking challenge.

And what the hell is up with that Tacoma Dome? Man, that place looks awful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: jammindude on November 29, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
This continues to be the most aggravating tour I've dealt with in a while. Pretty much every aspect of it sucks. At first I thought it was just the American tour that was awful, but even the European dates leave a ton to desire. Most of them are part of festivals and the ones that aren't are in the most expensive time of the year to fly over there. I've always got Tulsa as a fallback to make sure I see them, but the more interesting trips really are a fucking challenge.

And what the hell is up with that Tacoma Dome? Man, that place looks awful.

The sound is actually pretty good.   It's just really REALLY old.   It was built in 1981, and to my knowledge, it has never once been remodeled.    No suites, no luxury to speak of.   Just an old fashioned wooden dome.    There's no frills at all.   It's just a big wooden shed.   It looks like hell, but acoustically it's better than most places.   I've seen some pretty good concerts there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 29, 2015, 05:57:52 PM
This continues to be the most aggravating tour I've dealt with in a while. Pretty much every aspect of it sucks. At first I thought it was just the American tour that was awful, but even the European dates leave a ton to desire. Most of them are part of festivals and the ones that aren't are in the most expensive time of the year to fly over there. I've always got Tulsa as a fallback to make sure I see them, but the more interesting trips really are a fucking challenge.

And what the hell is up with that Tacoma Dome? Man, that place looks awful.

The sound is actually pretty good.   It's just really REALLY old.   It was built in 1981, and to my knowledge, it has never once been remodeled.    No suites, no luxury to speak of.   Just an old fashioned wooden dome.    There's no frills at all.   It's just a big wooden shed.   It looks like hell, but acoustically it's better than most places.   I've seen some pretty good concerts there.
WOODEN??? Ye, Gods.  :lol   

What jumped out at me is the oddball seating. Just seems to me that if you're going to build a dome you build normal, bowl seating into the thing. It looks like they had no idea what they were going to do with it, slapped some generic but slightly odd seats into it and then built a big dome around it. I've never actually seen a place where there was obstructed view seating in the FOH corners.

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Post by: Coolcat on November 29, 2015, 06:44:21 PM
My dad says that Iron Maiden is really mean and that they are billies. I think that Van Halen is better because my dad puts Van Halen 1 up really loud on our cassette player  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: jammindude on November 29, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
This continues to be the most aggravating tour I've dealt with in a while. Pretty much every aspect of it sucks. At first I thought it was just the American tour that was awful, but even the European dates leave a ton to desire. Most of them are part of festivals and the ones that aren't are in the most expensive time of the year to fly over there. I've always got Tulsa as a fallback to make sure I see them, but the more interesting trips really are a fucking challenge.

And what the hell is up with that Tacoma Dome? Man, that place looks awful.

The sound is actually pretty good.   It's just really REALLY old.   It was built in 1981, and to my knowledge, it has never once been remodeled.    No suites, no luxury to speak of.   Just an old fashioned wooden dome.    There's no frills at all.   It's just a big wooden shed.   It looks like hell, but acoustically it's better than most places.   I've seen some pretty good concerts there.
WOODEN??? Ye, Gods.  :lol   

What jumped out at me is the oddball seating. Just seems to me that if you're going to build a dome you build normal, bowl seating into the thing. It looks like they had no idea what they were going to do with it, slapped some generic but slightly odd seats into it and then built a big dome around it. I've never actually seen a place where there was obstructed view seating in the FOH corners.

I'm trying to think of where those would be.   (...not only have I seen dozens of concerts there, and more than a few hockey games, but there's a JW convention there every summer...so I've been in that place *A LOT*)      What's FOH stand for? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 29, 2015, 09:12:07 PM
My dad says that Iron Maiden is really mean and that they are billies. I think that Van Halen is better because my dad puts Van Halen 1 up really loud on our cassette player  :metal

Well, thankfully.  There's some Van Halen threads here for you to like, which you have already posted in.  As for Iron Maiden, from my perception of them as people, they are a very bunch of very good men that is very articulate and writes good music for all ages to enjoy well.  The general crowds, from what I hear though.... 

I'm trying to think of where those would be.   (...not only have I seen dozens of concerts there, and more than a few hockey games, but there's a JW convention there every summer...so I've been in that place *A LOT*)      What's FOH stand for?

I believe it stands for Front of House?  Here's what I found through Google.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_of_House
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 30, 2015, 08:49:19 AM
This continues to be the most aggravating tour I've dealt with in a while. Pretty much every aspect of it sucks. At first I thought it was just the American tour that was awful, but even the European dates leave a ton to desire. Most of them are part of festivals and the ones that aren't are in the most expensive time of the year to fly over there. I've always got Tulsa as a fallback to make sure I see them, but the more interesting trips really are a fucking challenge.

And what the hell is up with that Tacoma Dome? Man, that place looks awful.

The sound is actually pretty good.   It's just really REALLY old.   It was built in 1981, and to my knowledge, it has never once been remodeled.    No suites, no luxury to speak of.   Just an old fashioned wooden dome.    There's no frills at all.   It's just a big wooden shed.   It looks like hell, but acoustically it's better than most places.   I've seen some pretty good concerts there.
WOODEN??? Ye, Gods.  :lol   

What jumped out at me is the oddball seating. Just seems to me that if you're going to build a dome you build normal, bowl seating into the thing. It looks like they had no idea what they were going to do with it, slapped some generic but slightly odd seats into it and then built a big dome around it. I've never actually seen a place where there was obstructed view seating in the FOH corners.

I'm trying to think of where those would be.   (...not only have I seen dozens of concerts there, and more than a few hockey games, but there's a JW convention there every summer...so I've been in that place *A LOT*)      What's FOH stand for?
Yes, Front of house. If you check the seating chart there's a swath of seats available in the 2A area with obstructed view. Looking at pictures of the place I'm guessing it's the side sections that block the view. Not sure, though. Never seen anything like that place.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2015, 11:29:37 AM
https://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-12-08/bruce-dickinson-working-on-solo-album (https://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-12-08/bruce-dickinson-working-on-solo-album)

Says he has half an album of material and will be working on the other half as he rehearses for the IM tour.

I know I am not the only one who wants to hear what he has.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 08, 2015, 12:52:44 PM
I'm all for a BD album!  :metal

The article under though:
Quote
"I’ve seen the Iron Maidens in Mexico. We all went. We were watching them and I said to Steve, 'This is a really weird question, but looking at them, would you fuck yourself?' And he went, 'I don’t know, but we’ve all been thinking it.' It was very, very weird."
:rollin
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 08, 2015, 01:43:17 PM
https://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-12-08/bruce-dickinson-working-on-solo-album (https://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-12-08/bruce-dickinson-working-on-solo-album)

Says he has half an album of material and will be working on the other half as he rehearses for the IM tour.

I know I am not the only one who wants to hear what he has.

 :metal  Good to hear!!
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Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2015, 02:47:16 PM
Yeah, if IESF is anything to go by, a new Bruce solo album would be incredible.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2015, 02:57:03 PM
Yeah, if IESF is anything to go by, a new Bruce solo album would be incredible.

Totally. But for me, if I go by his last three albums, the last four IM albums, and just his general history of good music then yea. It should be incredible  :biggrin:
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Post by: TAC on December 08, 2015, 02:58:24 PM
Yeah, if IESF is anything to go by, a new Bruce solo album would be incredible.

Totally. But for me, if I go by his last three albums, the last four IM albums, and just his general history of good music then yea. It should be incredible  :biggrin:

Right. In spite of IESF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2015, 02:59:55 PM
Since IESF was suppose to be a part of this solo album, I hope it's still included.  It was written and demoed with Roy and I think is suppose to be the opener, I'd still want it.  A re-recorded version in context of the album would suit me fine.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2015, 03:04:01 PM
Since IESF was suppose to be a part of this solo album, I hope it's still included.  It was written and demoed with Roy and I think is suppose to be the opener, I'd still want it.  A re-recorded version in context of the album would suit me fine.

Im mixed about that idea.  I feel like if Roy really wrote it then it should be on there (and of course re-recorded), but since it's already out there I kind of don't want it on the album, I'd rather a new song in it's place.  If the album was only half finished, then it doesn't sound like there is a concept around the album, more like collection of songs to BD and or RZ have written.  If thats the case then I see no need for it to be on the album., but if it DOES have meaning in context to the full album, then it makes sense to have it on there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
I thought Bruce said in an interview that it was intended to be a concept album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2015, 03:11:01 PM
I thought Bruce said in an interview that it was intended to be a concept album.

Wasnt aware of that, in that case, how can it not be included? Unless that idea was scrapped.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2015, 03:25:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHOmXTBTBFs

That was the interview I was thinking of, but I was wrong, Bruce doesn't say anything about a concept album.  I don't know where I got that from, must have made it up.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on December 08, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
I also heard that somewhere and I also thought that it was from that clip.
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Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
I also heard that somewhere and I also thought that it was from that clip.

Thanks mate, I thought I was going crazy.  Weird as.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 22, 2015, 09:19:22 AM
Iron Maiden - A Christmas Cheers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz9DMheko0Y)

I'm starting to feel some regret for not getting a ticket for the summer tour. Will try and see if there's any left.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2015, 09:36:48 AM
Cool!  Get luck with getting a ticket, easily the most difficult time I had getting one for IM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on December 22, 2015, 09:46:01 AM
Sorry, I have been absent from the thread for awhile, so this is a VERY late response.
Flight 666 is cool.  But for a new fan wanting a standard concert, I would not start there.
Perhaps not (simply because it's not one concert but a bunch of performances from different shows), but it does have the setlist that is the best overview of 80s Maiden, so that's worth considering. Bosk, I know you lean strongly towards the modern era, and I do too, but I think it's good to note that LAD and F666 showcase what most consider to be their golden era musically.

Very true, and it really is an excellent compilation and documentary.  My point was simply that if someone wants a true concert-like experience, the style of that particular set may be offputting given that it isn't a single continuous show.  But other than that, I would have no reservations whatsoever about recommending it.  The only live material I have from them is Rock In Rio (CD only), F666 (DVD only), and En Vivo! (DVD only), and between those three, I feel completely satisfied and don't feel compelled to shell out more money for additional live material.  That isn't to say I won't ever buy anything else.  But I just feel that for the material I am interested in, I have VERY good live versions of the vast majority of it, so there is no urgency in getting anything else right now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2015, 12:50:39 PM
Got an e-mail from IM, might be because I am a fan club member but figured I would still share this with anyone here who may be interested.

https://ironmaiden.future-beat.com/artist.cfm?id=3364 (https://ironmaiden.future-beat.com/artist.cfm?id=3364)

Quote
THE OFFICIAL TROOPER PRE-SHOW PARTY UPGRADE PACKAGE

For the 1st time ever, in North America & Canada only, on The Book of Souls Tour, we are offering limited places per gig for the Official TROOPER Pre-show party.

Because these places are strictly limited, we wanted to give you a heads-up that they are onsale NOW! before we notify the general public..

For more details and to buy your pass, please go to Trooper Pre-Party

Please note- this does not include a ticket to the show.

Looked up for MSG and it's $195 a ticket.... yea no thanks, but still a cool idea.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 22, 2015, 12:57:25 PM
Got a fridge stocked with Trooper! Y'all can come over for free!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2015, 12:58:23 PM
Got a fridge stocked with Trooper! Y'all can come over for free!

On my way!

Actually got some as a birthday gift last year, it was really good!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 22, 2015, 01:01:04 PM
There are a couple stores around here that stock it. And yes, it is good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2015, 01:03:33 PM
There are a couple stores around here that stock it. And yes, it is good.

Yea, after I tried and enjoyed it, I noticed they sell it at my liqueur store down the street so I bought some more, but sadly they stopped selling it.   :angry:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 22, 2015, 04:53:21 PM
Iron Maiden - A Christmas Cheers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz9DMheko0Y)

Just watched. Very classy. Love Iron Maiden. :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on December 22, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Iron Maiden - A Christmas Cheers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz9DMheko0Y)

Just watched. Very classy. Love Iron Maiden. :metal

awesome!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Zydar on December 23, 2015, 07:08:50 AM
Happy birthday, Dave Murray! 59 years today :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 23, 2015, 07:54:17 AM
Happy birthday, Dave Murray! 59 years today :metal

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 23, 2015, 08:08:54 AM
Happy birthday, Dave, and that was one really cool video.  :metal
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 28, 2015, 11:34:36 AM
Was in the mood for Book of souls today.

This album has held up really well. The songs still sound solid and catchy.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: bosk1 on December 28, 2015, 11:58:26 AM
I'm impressed with how long Bosk has held off commenting on BoS. He must really want to make sure he's digested it first.

Sorry, it just kinda dropped off my radar.  Overall assessment:  It doesn't do a whole lot for me, actually.  I mean, the album isn't bad by any stretch.  But it also just doesn't grab me like some of their others either. 
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on December 28, 2015, 01:10:25 PM
I'm impressed with how long Bosk has held off commenting on BoS. He must really want to make sure he's digested it first.

Sorry, it just kinda dropped off my radar.  Overall assessment:  It doesn't do a whole lot for me, actually.  I mean, the album isn't bad by any stretch.  But it also just doesn't grab me like some of their others either.

For me, it's the first time in the Reunion Era where the current album did not top the previous one.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: cramx3 on December 28, 2015, 01:19:25 PM
Eh, a huge one up from TFF for me and a great record all around. Honestly surprised they had that album in them at this point in their career. Thought AMoLaD and follow up F666 tour was the pinnacle of IM but this tour and album may change that. 
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on December 28, 2015, 01:39:29 PM
Was in the mood for Book of souls today.

This album has held up really well. The songs still sound solid and catchy.

It's a brilliant album.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on December 28, 2015, 01:42:27 PM
Eh, a huge one up from TFF for me and a great record all around. Honestly surprised they had that album in them at this point in their career. Thought AMoLaD and follow up F666 tour was the pinnacle of IM but this tour and album may change that.

I can't fault anyone for liking any Reunion Era album more than another. After the two big epics, IMO, it comes back down to earth pretty quick. Still, I do love it and think it's a great album.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Scorpion on December 28, 2015, 01:52:23 PM
I haven't been going back to this one quite as much, but the final three songs are still one of the best three song runs in their entire career. Especially The Man of Sorrows, man that song slays.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: jjrock88 on December 28, 2015, 03:16:37 PM
From all the reunion albums, I can see each one being someones favorite album by the band, period. 

I can see Book of Souls being the most difficult one to get into though.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: cramx3 on December 28, 2015, 07:16:33 PM
Eh, a huge one up from TFF for me and a great record all around. Honestly surprised they had that album in them at this point in their career. Thought AMoLaD and follow up F666 tour was the pinnacle of IM but this tour and album may change that.

I can't fault anyone for liking any Reunion Era album more than another. After the two big epics, IMO, it comes back down to earth pretty quick. Still, I do love it and think it's a great album.

Yup I know we've discussed this before.  The reunion era is so strong.  Im honestly baffled a bit by Bosk's feeling towards the new album considering how much he enjoyed the newer stuff.  To each their own, but out of all the reunion era albums, I feel like this is the easiest one to like for an old or new IM fan.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: 425 on December 28, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
For me, it's the first time in the Reunion Era where the current album did not top the previous one.

DOD is slightly weaker than BNW IMO, but this thought still resonates with me, since I think AMOLAD is better than both of those and TFF is better than AMOLAD. But I do not think TBOS tops TFF.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on December 29, 2015, 10:39:38 AM
For me, it's the first time in the Reunion Era where the current album did not top the previous one.

DOD is slightly weaker than BNW IMO, but this thought still resonates with me, since I think AMOLAD is better than both of those and TFF is better than AMOLAD. But I do not think TBOS tops TFF.

I like how the band approached BNW. It's really fresh, whereas DOD feels like much more traditional Maiden. And I'm fine with someone mentioning some filler on DSOD, but I feel like I like most of DOD more than I like most of BNW. But they are all great.

If Bruce had never come back, Maiden would still be one of my favorite bands just based on the Classic Era. This second life of theirs is mindboggling, and in the mid 90's I would've never thought it possible.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: NotePad on December 29, 2015, 12:12:17 PM
BNW is my favorite Maiden album. But I don't think it sounds like anything else they've done. For some reason. Maybe it's the production. I don't know. I used to think it was the guitar trio, but recent albums proved they can still have a classic IM sound.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on December 29, 2015, 12:14:27 PM
BNW is my favorite Maiden album. But I don't think it sounds like anything else they've done. For some reason. Maybe it's the production. I don't know. I used to think it was the guitar trio, but recent albums proved they can still have a classic IM sound.

It's a unique album.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: ozzy554 on December 29, 2015, 12:22:34 PM
AMOLAD I think is still my favorite reunion album, but TBOS is really really close.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on December 29, 2015, 12:25:11 PM
AMOLAD I think is still my favorite reunion album, but TBOS is really really close.

AMOLAD is a masterpiece, and IMO it's the standard bearer of the Reunion Era.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: cramx3 on December 29, 2015, 04:11:42 PM
AMOLAD I think is still my favorite reunion album, but TBOS is really really close.

This is how I feel, except AMOLAD is my favorite all around IM album.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: jjrock88 on December 29, 2015, 05:02:31 PM
AMOLAD I think is still my favorite reunion album, but TBOS is really really close.

AMOLAD is a masterpiece, and IMO it's the standard bearer of the Reunion Era.

Its neck and neck with BNW for my favorite reunion album.  Absolutely awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Zydar on January 18, 2016, 05:43:53 AM
https://www.ironmaiden.com/iron-maiden-roadhouse-interactive-and-50cc-games-announce-mobile-rpg-legacy-of-the-beast.html

"Roadhouse Interactive, 50cc Games and Metal legends Iron Maiden are pleased to announce that Iron Maiden: Legacy of the Beast, an action-packed, free-to-play RPG steeped in Iron Maiden mythology, will launch worldwide this summer on iOS and Android platforms."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on January 18, 2016, 07:09:58 AM
Wow that looks very cool!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Actually might have some potential to be a good game.  I also think it's great how it goes along with the vibe of the music video for Speed of Light and it's not like IM haven't been tied to video games before
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Nick on January 18, 2016, 03:34:44 PM
One thread to rule them all, one thread to bind them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 19, 2016, 12:06:46 AM
https://www.ironmaiden.com/iron-maiden-roadhouse-interactive-and-50cc-games-announce-mobile-rpg-legacy-of-the-beast.html

"Roadhouse Interactive, 50cc Games and Metal legends Iron Maiden are pleased to announce that Iron Maiden: Legacy of the Beast, an action-packed, free-to-play RPG steeped in Iron Maiden mythology, will launch worldwide this summer on iOS and Android platforms."

Hopefully it's not one of those games that spam in the in-game purchases but I'm not holding my breath.  Will still play it tho.

I was just thinking today, they really should've made Ed Hunter more of an RPG.  They've kinda done it backwards in the sense that they released a First Person Shooter back in the mid-late 90s when RPGs like Final Fantasy VII and VIII were king, and now they're releasing an RPG, in the Call of Duty age.  lol.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 27, 2016, 03:20:02 PM
Got a pit ticket for the second Mexico City show. Should be a pretty wild event. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2016, 03:26:03 PM
Got a pit ticket for the second Mexico City show. Should be a pretty wild event. Looking forward to it.
:tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2016, 03:32:10 PM
Got a pit ticket for the second Mexico City show. Should be a pretty wild event. Looking forward to it.
:tup

That sounds awesome.  I'd love to see IM south of the border where the crowds get wild.

Also, Happy birthday Janick!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on January 30, 2016, 03:02:56 PM
Hello, Iron Maiden thread.  :)

I'm about to start an Iron Maiden survivor (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45762.0) over in Poll/Survivors.

Voting should begin later this week. I have a few logistical questions that I wanted to pose to potential participants as well, so I would appreciate some answers to those in the thread.

I hope that people decide to participate. It should be a lot of fun!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on January 30, 2016, 06:57:52 PM
Hello, Iron Maiden thread.  :)

I'm about to start an Iron Maiden survivor (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45762.0) over in Poll/Survivors.

Voting should begin later this week. I have a few logistical questions that I wanted to pose to potential participants as well, so I would appreciate some answers to those in the thread.

I hope that people decide to participate. It should be a lot of fun!

I'm in!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 03, 2016, 05:46:53 PM
Last time I'll post about this in this thread probably until finals:

Just started the Iron Maiden survivor over in the Polls/Survivors subforum. Round 1 of the debut is running now. We'll be doing albums two at a time, so Killers will start tomorrow. Check it out!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2016, 04:21:37 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-flies-endangered-turtle-to-spain/

This guy is a close as we can get to God in human form.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2016, 06:26:18 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-flies-endangered-turtle-to-spain/

This guy is a close as we can get to God in human form.  :metal

That's pretty cool, but I find myself laughing a bit about just how odd it is to read about.

I really cannot wait for this tour.  I would really like to try plane spotting and see if I can catch Ed Force One.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2016, 07:01:13 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-flies-endangered-turtle-to-spain/

This guy is a close as we can get to God in human form.  :metal

Dude, I'm sure you're being tongue-in-cheek, but seriously, you're not far off.   

I don't want to get political (because it's not about politics) but there are a TON of muisicians and actors that show up for the photo-op, and will be more than glad to TELL you what you should be thinking, but Bruce is actually out there DOING IT.  He's not standing behind the pilot as they go in to rescue people displaced from a natural disaster, he IS the pilot.   He's not behind a microphone telling you what you should believe, he is living it.   

Maiden was my first "real" concert and since they were opening up for Priest, Bruce is literally the first lead singer I ever saw, and 33 years later, he is still inspiring to this day.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Tomislav95 on February 12, 2016, 08:44:38 AM
They are in my country at the end of July. It's pity they're not playing in capital since it's much closer to me but I'd to hear them with newer songs. Last time they were playing setlist from Somewhere back in time tour and I loved it but it would be great to hear songs from BNW, AMoLaD and especially TBoS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2016, 04:35:37 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-flies-endangered-turtle-to-spain/

This guy is a close as we can get to God in human form.  :metal

Dude, I'm sure you're being tongue-in-cheek, but seriously, you're not far off.   

I don't want to get political (because it's not about politics) but there are a TON of muisicians and actors that show up for the photo-op, and will be more than glad to TELL you what you should be thinking, but Bruce is actually out there DOING IT.  He's not standing behind the pilot as they go in to rescue people displaced from a natural disaster, he IS the pilot.   He's not behind a microphone telling you what you should believe, he is living it.   

Maiden was my first "real" concert and since they were opening up for Priest, Bruce is literally the first lead singer I ever saw, and 33 years later, he is still inspiring to this day.

Well said.  I was half joking, but half serious too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 19, 2016, 04:46:55 AM
Bruce with Ed Force One (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJdbeYV5HL8&feature=youtu.be)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 19, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
:metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 19, 2016, 09:07:28 AM
Hearing a roaring Ed Force One taking off is pretty damn metal!  :metal :lol

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1lDxLbmLZjLGm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Skip to 17:12 for the lift off.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 23, 2016, 06:41:39 PM
anyone going to the first show tonight?? (or is it tomorrow night for you guys?  it's Wednesday 24th @ 2:41pm where I live)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 23, 2016, 07:04:51 PM
Need East coast dates  :'(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 24, 2016, 08:38:18 AM
No setlist spoilers here?  Can we agree on that?  Just want to know if I should avoid this thread.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2016, 01:34:25 PM
^ I think that's fair, although I'm going to look it up, I won't be able to help myself.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 24, 2016, 03:51:37 PM
I'm expecting the setlist to be 80% new stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 24, 2016, 03:55:25 PM
I'm expecting the setlist to be 80% new stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

safe bet
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 24, 2016, 03:58:19 PM
80%?? No way. Other than AMOLAD, when have they ever come close to 80%?

Or are we talking 80% Reunion Era? Still, that's way too high.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Train of Naught on February 24, 2016, 04:03:00 PM
On the Final Frontier tour it was like 5 FF songs in a setlist of like 15 songs, I still need to check out Book of Souls and from what I've heard it's very ambitious, but I doubt 80% will be doable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on February 24, 2016, 04:12:04 PM
They should play Ed Dorado 14 times.  Then Speed of Light for their encore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2016, 04:15:01 PM
hoping for

Quest for Fire
Gangland
The Apparition
Mother Russia
The Angel and the Gambler
El Dorado
Another Life
Weekend Warrior
Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger
The Duellists
Hooks in You

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on February 24, 2016, 04:19:09 PM
Okay, now you're just being silly.

and you forgot Tailgunner
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on February 24, 2016, 04:29:37 PM
You forgot Public Enema Number One.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on February 24, 2016, 04:32:51 PM
 A lot of El Dorado hate on here
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on February 24, 2016, 04:43:12 PM
I love El Dorado
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 24, 2016, 04:49:16 PM
Caught Somewhere In Time

Never gonna happen, but I can dream.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2016, 04:55:55 PM
You forgot Public Enema Number One.

I like it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on February 24, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
Mother Russia
The Duellists

Are these supposed to be bad? Because they are not. Especially Duellists.

Public Enema Number One is great too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2016, 06:05:16 PM
Not bad, but definitely not as strong as some of the other tracks on their albums.  I actually like a good portion of the list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 24, 2016, 06:57:18 PM
I'd like to hear Stranger in a Strange Land. One of my favs!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 24, 2016, 07:55:41 PM
Tears Of A Clown

(https://maidenrevelations.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/tears.jpg?w=676)

Through 4 songs..75% new stuff!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 24, 2016, 08:04:29 PM
Intro to TRATB:

(https://maidenrevelations.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/red.jpg?w=676)


I'm going to bed as soon as the Bruins game ends.

You can follow the setlist here:
https://maidenrevelations.com/2016/02/22/live-update-the-book-of-souls-world-tour-premiere-minute-by-minute/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2016, 08:18:59 PM
Do we need to put a spoiler warning up for setlist????
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 24, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
I'll probably just steer clear of this thread until after the 4th. That said, I haven't seen a proper album tour since BNW in 2000, so I'm pretty excited about seeing a set that isn't all greatest hits.

And I guess I won't know for a while, but don't be surprised if one song gets axed from tonight's gig and replaced by a standard.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on February 24, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Do we need to put a spoiler warning up for setlist????

Nope. This is the Iron Maiden thread, and Iron Maiden is on tour, so it's going to be discussed. If you're looking to avoid sets it's best to steer clear for awhile, as Barto is doing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 24, 2016, 09:02:36 PM
Do we need to put a spoiler warning up for setlist? ???

Nope. This is the Iron Maiden thread, and Iron Maiden is on tour, so it's going to be discussed. If you're looking to avoid sets it's best to steer clear for awhile, as Barto is doing.
In all fairness I'm seeing them in 9 days (if not 2). Sneaky's got a bloody long time before they make it down to Kiwi Island.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 24, 2016, 09:46:25 PM
I love El Dorado

 :\

Solid enough set.  Lots of new stuff. Seems short for 15 songs but a lot of lengthy ones in there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on February 24, 2016, 11:07:50 PM
Tears of a Clown, Speed of Light and Death or Glory? Meh... The rest is good though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: theseoafs on February 24, 2016, 11:21:17 PM
Bought a ticket to the Seattle show as soon as I heard Children of the Damned and Powerslave would be played.  This set is incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2016, 11:44:44 PM
Do we need to put a spoiler warning up for setlist????

Nope. This is the Iron Maiden thread, and Iron Maiden is on tour, so it's going to be discussed. If you're looking to avoid sets it's best to steer clear for awhile, as Barto is doing.

Not me no, I was following the stream :lol  Someone else requested, I just thought I'd doubly check.

That being said, I'm pretty happy with the set, except I would've prefered either When the River Runs Deep or Shadows of the Valley over Tears of a Clown.  Also happy they've switched RTTH with Wasted Years as the closer, brilliant!  And Blood Brothers as encore was a nice surprise.
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Post by: Zydar on February 25, 2016, 12:35:46 AM
Official Tour Intro Video :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWWbtt4iPSU
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Post by: wolfking on February 25, 2016, 04:04:29 AM
Tears of a Clown, Speed of Light and Death or Glory? Meh... The rest is good though.

Speed of Light was always going to be played.  I'm not too fond of them playing Clown though.
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Post by: Mladen on February 25, 2016, 04:06:09 AM
I've been watching the clips, everything looks so amazing. This is going to be one hell of an experience.  :metal
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Post by: wolfking on February 25, 2016, 04:10:24 AM
Looking forward to seeing them in May too.

Just realised there is nothing from the big 4 reunion albums beside Blood Brothers.  They must be really proud of the new one as it's dominating the set, but I have no issue with that at all.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 25, 2016, 05:34:11 AM
I like that set list. Pretty safe, but good!
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Post by: Tomislav95 on February 25, 2016, 05:36:10 AM
Big :tup for return of Powerslave and Children of the Damned.
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Post by: TAC on February 25, 2016, 05:43:44 AM
6 new songs is totally expected. Surprised Tears made the list. Not that it's a bad tune, I like it, but still wasn't expecting it to make the set. Not really a fan of D Or G, but I bet it's much better live.

So glad they swapped out 2MTM with Powerslave and I love COTD!

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Post by: Polarbear on February 25, 2016, 07:39:26 AM
Pretty decent setlist!

If Eternity Should Fail seems to work really well as the opener, i hope it doesn't go anywhere!

If i were in charge of making a setlist for this tour, it would look something like this :biggrin:

If Eternity Should Fail
Speed of Light
The Evil That Men Do
Ghost of the Navigator
Revelations
When The River Runs Deep
Wasting Love
Powerslave
Sea of Madness
Dance of Death
The Book of Souls
Journeyman

Encore;
Fear of the Dark
Infinite Dreams
Hallowed Be Thy Name


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Post by: El Barto on February 25, 2016, 09:23:20 AM
Just snagged seats to Tulsa, So I'm in for the second show of the tour. Will be trying to do some planespotting, as well.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 25, 2016, 02:01:36 PM
No El Dorado in the set?  Not going.
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Post by: wolfking on February 25, 2016, 02:02:08 PM
 :lol
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 25, 2016, 02:15:28 PM
 :lol
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 25, 2016, 04:36:49 PM
Surprised Tears made the list.

Me too mate.  Not pleasantly either.  I don't dig that one or Man of Sorrows, I feel they are weakest points on the album. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 25, 2016, 08:16:06 PM
I would much rather them see Man of Sorrows over Clown.  If fact, I'd take any other song on the album than Clown.

I don't really understand the reasoning behind playing that song. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on February 25, 2016, 09:33:21 PM
I don't really understand the reasoning behind playing that song.

Tribute to Robin Williams.

Shitty song though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 25, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
I don't really understand the reasoning behind playing that song.

Tribute to Robin Williams.

Shitty song though.

Yeah, I know that, but I wouldn't have thought the would be a reason to add it to the setlist.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 25, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
hopefully it's well and truly cut before they get to australasia :lol

maybe the other ones weren't working live.  Tears has a lower vocal register than say, River Runs Deep - I wonder if that's a part of it.  The reviews were saying Bruce struggled a bit on the title track chorus.
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Post by: wolfking on February 25, 2016, 11:07:54 PM
hopefully it's well and truly cut before they get to australasia :lol

maybe the other ones weren't working live.  Tears has a lower vocal register than say, River Runs Deep - I wonder if that's a part of it.  The reviews were saying Bruce struggled a bit on the title track chorus.

That's what I'm hoping too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 26, 2016, 01:37:15 AM
Apparently, Tears is extremely well received among the fans. I took a look at some clips and the crowd goes crazy the moment it starts. It's not my favorite on the album but it's still good, and I'm sure it will be a fun live track.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 26, 2016, 04:09:02 AM
I love Tears as well. Absolutely love that they put it in the set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2016, 04:21:43 AM
I don't have an issue with the song, just never expected it to be played live.
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Post by: TAC on February 26, 2016, 05:41:13 AM
I don't have an issue with the song, just never expected it to be played live.
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Post by: Eldomm on February 26, 2016, 06:22:32 AM
I love Tears as well. Absolutely love that they put it in the set.

I love Tears too!
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Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2016, 08:11:39 AM
I don't really get the surprise.  I personally rate it pretty low among the songs on this album, but the majority of people I have seen mention it say it is one of their favorites, and the band seems to really like it as well.  Seems like a no-brainer to me.  :dunno:
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Post by: Evermind on February 26, 2016, 08:14:58 AM
Indeed. Tears of a Clown is one of my favourites.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on February 26, 2016, 08:20:14 AM
Yeah, it's off the new album, it's a f*ckin' great song for some (me included) so why is there surprise that they play it live?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2016, 08:24:52 AM
Switching gears for a second:  Does anyone know why En Vivo! is so hard to find?  Once they released Maiden England, it seemed like distribution for En Vivo! basically disappeared.  Aside from just the obvious factor of it no longer being their newest live release, does anyone know if there is any other reason?  That just seemed odd to me. 
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on February 26, 2016, 09:54:26 AM
Switching gears for a second:  Does anyone know why En Vivo! is so hard to find?  Once they released Maiden England, it seemed like distribution for En Vivo! basically disappeared.  Aside from just the obvious factor of it no longer being their newest live release, does anyone know if there is any other reason?  That just seemed odd to me. 

That is odd. In my country you can still find copies at most stores. In fact, I just checked the online store from Musimundo (kind of the HMV or Virgin Store of Argentina) and En Vivo! is the cheapest Maiden album, at around US$8. Really cheap for a recent 2-CD by a huge band; both Maiden England and The Book Of Souls are over US$15.

It's a shame it's hard for you to find. I love that album - it includes many of my favourite recent songs ("Dance Of Death", "When The Wild Wind Blows", etc.). The energy the Chilean crowd adds makes for some special versions, I think.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2016, 09:59:57 AM
I mean, it is still available online.  If I really wanted it, I could get it.  I'm just saying that in terms of seeing copies in brick-and-mortar stores, I noticed it disappear almost immediately when Maiden England came out, and I have not seen it restocked at any of the various places I typically shop.  I was a Maiden late-bloomer and was just getting into the band when En Vivo! was released, and I remember it being everywhere.  I bought the DVD, which is one of the main things that hooked me.  And already having the DVD, and with so much other material to purchase and explore, I put getting the CD on the back burner and did not get it right away.  But I noticed that it went from having tons of copies in the bins in every store to having none, and just found it odd.
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on February 26, 2016, 11:47:42 AM
I'm not sure. Maybe it was a limited edition? One of my first albums was Blink-182's live one from 2000, which according to the press-release was only sold for 2 months starting November 7. I got a copy in early December, and since then I haven't seen any other copy anywhere. Anyways, much later, when I visited Europe in 2011, I found some stores (I think Fnac in Madrid, and HMV in London) which still had copies.

Maybe En Vivo! also had a limited release, so after the first pressing(s) of the album, there are no more copies - or, they will begin to surface at a later moment.

I'm also thinking that when The Beatles' (and Queen's, and Pink Floyd's, and Led Zeppelin's) latest remasters were released, the older (mostly '90s) CDs of those same albums almost immediately disappeared from the stores. I'm not sure, buy maybe that is a label decision - so the new CDs (which are way nicer but cost way more) don't have to compete with the old CDs (which were way cheaper in some cases).

Although in Maiden England's case, the 'competitor' would be En Vivo!, which represents a different tour from a different decade, so I'm not sure how that last theory would apply there.

Anyways: hey, I'm also a late-bloomer! In my teens I listened to some stuff (since a friend was a huge fan), but I was 22 the first time I decided to buy something. It was the From Fear To Eternity compilation released in 2011. Some weak tracks there, but a good collection nontheless. After that, it was En Vivo! and the last 4 studio albums.

I also gave a copy of The Best of The Beast (and a few South Park DVDs) to my 10 year-old cousin. Boy am I a good influence :P
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 27, 2016, 05:46:36 AM
The 2-disc Best of the Beast from '96 with the huge deluxe booklet was the album that got me hooked on Maiden.  I'd love to get a copy of that, but I assume it was deleted a loooong time ago.
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on February 27, 2016, 09:19:07 AM
The 2-disc Best of the Beast from '96 with the huge deluxe booklet was the album that got me hooked on Maiden.  I'd love to get a copy of that, but I assume it was deleted a loooong time ago.

I didn't know there was such a thing! I gave the single disc edition to my cousin, but I always thought it was the only edition available. What does the second CD include?
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Post by: Zydar on February 27, 2016, 09:21:26 AM
Check the tracklist for the limited edition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_the_Beast#Limited_edition_CD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_the_Beast)

That 2 CD was my introduction to the band as well, around 1998.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 27, 2016, 01:23:34 PM
I have the standard edition of BotB but yeah the Limited Edition is very rare.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 27, 2016, 07:03:50 PM
Check the tracklist for the limited edition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_the_Beast#Limited_edition_CD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_the_Beast)

wow, I got nostalgic just looking at that :lol that's my fuckin childhood right there.  awesome!

I remember staying home sick from school one day and listening to the whole thing all the way through.  I have a pretty distinct memory of lying on the bed in my brother's room, hearing that Strange World demo towards the end of the second disc for the first time.  It's etched in my mind as a peaceful and formative moment of my childhood. 
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2016, 07:50:32 PM
Check the tracklist for the limited edition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_the_Beast#Limited_edition_CD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_the_Beast)

That 2 CD was my introduction to the band as well, around 1998.

The single disc was my introduction to the band too!
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Post by: Cool Chris on February 28, 2016, 12:52:06 AM
I am not usually one for " Greatest Hits" collections, but I bought this one on a whim. Weeks later bought pretty much all their studio albums up till that point. I think I made the decision to do so half way through the first song. I mean, cmon, Paschendale to lead off? Damn.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Essential_Iron_Maiden
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on February 28, 2016, 01:59:00 AM
I am not usually one for " Greatest Hits" collections, but I bought this one on a whim. Weeks later bought pretty much all their studio albums up till that point. I think I made the decision to do so half way through the first song. I mean, cmon, Paschendale to lead off? Damn.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Essential_Iron_Maiden

That looks cool! I like it that, besides the debut, each album is represented by 2 songs.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 28, 2016, 08:03:55 AM
Maiden isn't at the level of Kiss for greatest hits/best of, but they have quite a few.
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Post by: wolfking on February 29, 2016, 04:56:05 AM
I have always wanted to get my hands on that 2cd version of Best of the Beast.  Very rare indeed.
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Post by: wolfking on February 29, 2016, 05:03:57 AM
https://youtu.be/RhDp4pUWKzg

Fuck, Bruce sounding unbelievable!
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Post by: Stadler on February 29, 2016, 06:35:17 AM
I have always wanted to get my hands on that 2cd version of Best of the Beast.  Very rare indeed.

The 4-disk vinyl version is even rarer, and it has about 6 or 7 additional songs from the two-CD set, including an unreleased live version of "Revelations", and the other two songs from the Soundhouse Tapes.  I don't have it (I have the 2-CD set) because I'm not really equipped for vinyl, but it's a nice package. 
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Post by: Stadler on February 29, 2016, 06:39:00 AM
https://youtu.be/RhDp4pUWKzg

Fuck, Bruce sounding unbelievable!

My fucking love for that guy knows no bounds.  Holy crap.  If the rest of that show even sounds HALF that good... 
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Post by: Mladen on February 29, 2016, 07:39:52 AM
Bruce sounds unbelievable.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 29, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
I'm trying to think what's cooler: singing like that in a legendary metal band at his age or fly a 747 with your bands logo on with the callsign Atlanta 666? Either way most humans stick with one of those things but Bruce does both and that's not even half of the projects he's juggling.
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Post by: aurorablind on February 29, 2016, 10:26:07 AM
It's unbelievable that he was being treated for throat cancer only a year ago.
Man, what a guy!  :metal
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 29, 2016, 12:21:06 PM
his singing in tulsa was waaaay better than opening night.  looks like he just needed the warm up.  so pumped!
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Post by: wolfking on February 29, 2016, 01:35:24 PM
his singing in tulsa was waaaay better than opening night.  looks like he just needed the warm up.  so pumped!

I thought that too from the videos.  Amazing stuff, can't wait to see them in May.
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Post by: Lowdz on February 29, 2016, 02:22:52 PM
Bruce sounds unbelievable.

I've been critical of his voice on recent albums (not TBoS) but he is on fire here. A great tone, more like his old (young!) self, and he has no right to sound this great. Very impressed.
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Post by: El Barto on February 29, 2016, 03:51:18 PM
He sounded great the whole night in Tulsa. After the last tour I thought he had hit the wall, but apparently not. It helps that this is very early in the tour. He's always started out strong and then petered out towards the end. I enjoyed the setlist and the opener was exactly what I wanted to see. I could have done with out 20 minutes of TRatB, and I can always do without Blood Brothers, but otherwise it was a damn fine set. Downside is that the crowd wasn't very lively. I was right in the middle and pretty close up and there just wasn't much energy in there. While it's kick ass that they sold out that big-ass arena in Tulsa, that doesn't seem to be where their most rabid fans are.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 29, 2016, 06:48:18 PM
https://youtu.be/RhDp4pUWKzg

Fuck, Bruce sounding unbelievable!

wow  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 05, 2016, 01:46:02 PM
I've always enjoyed Maiden's music, but lately I've been getting really into it. Anyone else agree that Number of the Beast, while awesome, is perhaps a tad overrated? I think the band really went to another level starting with Piece of Mind.
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Post by: 425 on March 05, 2016, 02:49:48 PM
I think they got steadily more sophisticated on each album up to Seventh Son. I do think Piece of Mind is a step up from The Number of the Beast generally. Beast has the best song on either album and Piece has the worst, but I think as a whole album, PoM is a slight step up on the strength of songs like Where Eagles Dare, Revelations and To Tame a Land.
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Post by: TAC on March 05, 2016, 04:13:29 PM
I've always enjoyed Maiden's music, but lately I've been getting really into it. Anyone else agree that Number of the Beast, while awesome, is perhaps a tad overrated? I think the band really went to another level starting with Piece of Mind.

There is nothing overrated about TNOTB.
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Post by: home on March 05, 2016, 04:18:47 PM
The set lists are looking great, can't wait to see them for the first time in a few months :azn: Really hoping they are going to play Blood Brothers.

I've always enjoyed Maiden's music, but lately I've been getting really into it. Anyone else agree that Number of the Beast, while awesome, is perhaps a tad overrated? I think the band really went to another level starting with Piece of Mind.
I agree, I like almost every album after it better (perhaps even virtual XI :p )
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Post by: Stadler on March 06, 2016, 12:22:16 PM
I've always enjoyed Maiden's music, but lately I've been getting really into it. Anyone else agree that Number of the Beast, while awesome, is perhaps a tad overrated? I think the band really went to another level starting with Piece of Mind.

There is nothing overrated about TNOTB.

I'm with TAC.  I'm in the "the album deserves "Total Eclipse" instead of "Gangland", but that album was watershed.  I dig Killers, one of my favorite albums ever, but TNOTB is just a whole new world. 
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Post by: TAC on March 06, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
I LOVE Gangland!  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 06, 2016, 05:12:11 PM
I LOVE Gangland!  ;D

There's nothing wrong with it, it's a great song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on March 06, 2016, 05:20:56 PM
Gangland is pretty boring, as is Invaders. Run to the Hills and the title track are overplayed, but they're not bad, and the rest of the album ranges from great to stellar.

However, because I basically don't care much for half the album, it's still bottom tied for me. So yes, I would agree that it's overrated.
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Post by: PowerSlave on March 06, 2016, 09:41:17 PM
Stadler nailed it. The album was a game changer. It helped to define the genre and deserves all the praise that it gets because of this. 30+ years after its release it can be easy for us to say that there are better albums that came afterward, but it changed everything that came after it. Very few albums/bands can make that claim, and their importance can't be understated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on March 06, 2016, 09:47:37 PM
I've always enjoyed Maiden's music, but lately I've been getting really into it. Anyone else agree that Number of the Beast, while awesome, is perhaps a tad overrated? I think the band really went to another level starting with Piece of Mind.

I agree. Great album, but the next 4 are much better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on March 07, 2016, 01:50:23 AM
Stadler nailed it. The album was a game changer. It helped to define the genre and deserves all the praise that it gets because of this. 30+ years after its release it can be easy for us to say that there are better albums that came afterward, but it changed everything that came after it. Very few albums/bands can make that claim, and their importance can't be understated.

All of that is true, TNotB was influential in a way that very few albums are.

But I still think that it gets more praise than the quality of the songs on it merits, and isn't that what overrated means?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 07, 2016, 02:00:47 AM
Yeah. It may be influential and a landmark and all that, but I find it to be a bit overrated compared to the rest of their 80s output. Song for song there are better albums from that period IMHO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Outcrier on March 07, 2016, 02:08:49 AM
Never liked Number and Piece that much. Much prefer the albums that came later, with the amazing run of Powerslave/Somewhere/Seventh Son.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 07, 2016, 06:52:18 AM
But I still think that it gets more praise than the quality of the songs on it merits, and isn't that what overrated means?

That's kind of what I was getting at. Number of the Beast is amazing, but a lot of times I see it ranked as the best metal album of all-time, when I don't even think it's Maiden's best!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 07, 2016, 10:12:52 AM
Here's the thing, though:  "My favorite" and "Greatest Metal Record of All Time" are not the same thing.   I personally like Powerslave and Piece of Mind better, and I might even say I would rather, now, listen to Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son.  But I was there when TNOTB came out, and it really was game changing. 

But I can tell you that after hearing Kiss and Aerosmith and Van Halen and Priest (British Steel and Point of Entry) and Def Leppard (On Through the Night and High & Dry) and Sabbath (Mob Rules) then hearing: "Woe to you, oh earth and sea..." was a fucking revelation (no pun intended) and even though Halford had the scream down (Victim of Changes was the big one at that point, because "Screaming..." hadn't come out yet) there was nothing I had heard yet that was even close to the scream in "TNOTB" song.   Plus the videos...  that was a really big step forward.

I'm a big one for "things are built on what came before", and MOP and SFV and Powerslave and Piece of Mind all had the Beast before it.  What did the Beast have before IT?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Outcrier on March 07, 2016, 10:41:18 AM
I'm a big one for "things are built on what came before", and MOP and SFV and Powerslave and Piece of Mind all had the Beast before it.  What did the Beast have before IT?

Any 70's Black Sabbath album? There was a handful of great metal albums before Beast.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on March 07, 2016, 11:41:17 PM
I'm a big one for "things are built on what came before", and MOP and SFV and Powerslave and Piece of Mind all had the Beast before it.  What did the Beast have before IT?

Any 70's Black Sabbath album? There was a handful of great metal albums before Beast.

Sabbath, Rainbow (Dio era), Judas Priest all immediately come to mind at different points prior to this album. And if you want to be picky, Sabbath could be counted twice because there's no denying that they reinvented themselves with RJD. They all left a distinctive mark on the genre as well as many other bands that aren't quite as famous (Scorpions, UFO ect. ect...). Maiden was the next level after these bands. They were dependent upon those that came before them, of course. Who isn't?

The argument that I would make for the importance of this album is that it was the "blue-print" for the albums that followed it. The next 3 albums had the big epic at the close of the album, and there are other similarities. My favorite IM album is PS, but I find it fairly obvious that the album structure is largely dependent on this album. The band's musical direction for the better part of the rest of the decade was also cemented with this album. Yes, Maiden always sounds like Maiden, but there's little doubt that this was the album that mostly established what they would set out to do for many years after.

No knocking on the debut or Killers, I think that it's easy to say that they were quite a bit different than what would come afterward.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 08, 2016, 07:52:15 AM
I'm a big one for "things are built on what came before", and MOP and SFV and Powerslave and Piece of Mind all had the Beast before it.  What did the Beast have before IT?

Any 70's Black Sabbath album? There was a handful of great metal albums before Beast.

Sabbath, Rainbow (Dio era), Judas Priest all immediately come to mind at different points prior to this album. And if you want to be picky, Sabbath could be counted twice because there's no denying that they reinvented themselves with RJD. They all left a distinctive mark on the genre as well as many other bands that aren't quite as famous (Scorpions, UFO ect. ect...). Maiden was the next level after these bands. They were dependent upon those that came before them, of course. Who isn't?

The argument that I would make for the importance of this album is that it was the "blue-print" for the albums that followed it. The next 3 albums had the big epic at the close of the album, and there are other similarities. My favorite IM album is PS, but I find it fairly obvious that the album structure is largely dependent on this album. The band's musical direction for the better part of the rest of the decade was also cemented with this album. Yes, Maiden always sounds like Maiden, but there's little doubt that this was the album that mostly established what they would set out to do for many years after.

No knocking on the debut or Killers, I think that it's easy to say that they were quite a bit different than what would come afterward.

I hear what you're saying to a point; I'm not suggesting that TNOTB is the FIRST metal album ever, or the first heavy metal album ever.  But it was one of - and I'm sort of saying the first - that went beyond the typical "blues and/or classical amalgamation".   Sabbath is (or rather, was in the early 70's) a blues band turned WAY up.   Maiden has very little blues in there, except as distilled through Jethro Tull.

I think the one point that I would concede, though, is I've long said that Sabbath from SBS through NSD could be considered as prog as Rush or any other "metal" (I know Rush isn't metal, bear with me as I struggle for labels) band, so perhaps the one real precursor is, say, Sabotage. 

But when you account for the intervening punk movement, and the video-centric way that British music was going (hard to imagine that Duran Duran and Black Sabbath come from the same roots in Birmingham, innit?) TNOTB was very clearly a line in the sand.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 08, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Agreed. Up untill then, with Di´Anno, they were always a punkish hardrock band. With Bruce they went full on hardrock/heavy metal.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on March 08, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
The set lists are looking great, can't wait to see them for the first time in a few months :azn: Really hoping they are going to play Blood Brothers.
They won't be changing their setlist at this point. Any changes would have been after the first or second night.


I'm going to have to side with overrated on TNotB. To me it was Piece of Mind that was the real game changer. That's where they added a very unique "Maiden" sound. Consider Flight of Icarus. There's nothing comparable to that on TNotB, but you listen to it and you immediately know that it's the classic Maiden that we all love. It was a shift in sound, and it's one that laid the groundwork far more than Number, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 08, 2016, 10:14:08 AM
Not to contradict my own argument, but that drum fill to start the album is enough of an indicator.   I can still remember thinking, "WTF was THAT??"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 08, 2016, 03:58:31 PM
Great topic going on here and great to read the opinions of the fogey Maiden veterans.

Bart, you do have a point as far as the beginning of Maiden's "sound". You are correct there. Nicko's impact was huge and was a big change.

(not directing the following at Bart)..

But there is no way that I can subscribe to calling TNOTB overrated. 6 of the 8 tracks are standout Maiden classics. CLASSICS! It's one of those albums where a band goes "next level". What POM did, was fine tune a style for years to come. Now if you are saying that TNOTB is an outlier in terms of style and feel, I can follow that.

It's fine for people to like certain albums over others, so no issue with anyone taking SSOASS or POM over TNOTB, but none of those albums ever happen without TNOTB. That album changed the game for the band and the genre. It was better than anything else that came out of the NWOBHM. Saxon couldn't do that. Def Leppard couldn't do that. In fact, Def Leppard scrapped the whole thing because they knew they couldn't compete. Yes, I know they did become quite popular on their own, but they had to abandon the NWOBHM movement.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Outcrier on March 08, 2016, 04:19:32 PM
Yeah, TNOTB was a game changer for Maiden, but they already had one of the greatest metal albums ever on the debut and, in a much lesser extent but still a classic, Killers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on March 08, 2016, 06:20:15 PM
so no issue with anyone taking SSOASS or POM over TNOTB,
Or Powerlsave, or Killers, or X-Factor, or AMoLaD.  :lol

Part of it certainly is that the songs just don't work as well for me as what came before or after, but I also really don't see it as a huge step forward, particularly from Killers. If people want to say that Number was an evolutionary step forward, I don't really see it but I won't argue. However, I see no correlation between Number and POM. That was more of a reinvention than an evolving.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 08, 2016, 08:44:55 PM
Anyone going to the MSG show on the 30th? We'll be there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 09, 2016, 02:23:19 AM
This is all highly subjective, but for me the greatest change was from Killers To Number Of The Beast. TNOTB is the blueprint for what Maiden would do for the next 34 years and ongoing. Sure there were and are changes in the following records but the foundation of the classic Maiden sound as we know it was laid with Number.

That's not to say that it's the best record but, for me, it's the most important and influential record.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 11, 2016, 06:49:02 AM
Somehow, I never got around to Seventh Son of a Seventh Son until recently. My God. What an album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 11, 2016, 07:12:48 AM
Yeah, it's my favourite Maiden album ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: home on March 11, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
Mine too :) Just all the things I love about Iron Maiden in a compact concept album  :angel:
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Post by: Polarbear on March 11, 2016, 09:11:50 AM
Yeah, it's my favourite Maiden album ever.

Yeah, no contest! Seventh son is easily my favorite also!

They have so many quality albums under their belt, but Seventh son still rises above the rest!

It was also the first album i ever bought with my own money, so SSoaSS holds a lot of memories for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 11, 2016, 01:58:41 PM
Seventh Son was my favorite for a long time as well.  I never thought they'd top it.  Then they released "A Matter of Life and Death"  :hat
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 11, 2016, 03:12:42 PM
All this 7th Son talk inspired me to pull these up again. Have posted these many times, but in case some of the noobs haven't seen them:

July 17, 1988
Worcester Centrum

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SS2.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SS2.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SS1.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SS1.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SS5.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SS5.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SS3.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SS3.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SS4.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SS4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 11, 2016, 07:46:46 PM
Wow, cool pictures. A couple of questions:

1. What was the policy back in the '80s regarding cameras/recordings on shows?

2. Those were right before Adrian left and Janick joined, right? Or that was 1989?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on March 11, 2016, 07:51:50 PM
Tim is a professional heavy metal photographer!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 11, 2016, 08:03:57 PM
Oh, alright then! Didn't know that.

Still: were other people allowed to bring their cameras inside venues?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 12, 2016, 04:34:45 AM
Happy 60th birthday, Steve! :metal

(https://theultimatesound.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/harris-corbis-630-80.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 12, 2016, 08:40:47 AM
Quote
ED FORCE ONE BADLY DAMAGED ON THE GROUND IN COMODORO ARTURO MERINO BENITEZ (SANTIAGO, CHILE) AIRPORT
CONCERTS IN ARGENTINA TOMORROW AND TUESDAY EXPECTED TO GO AHEAD AS PLANNED
Ed Force One was this morning tethered to a tow truck to be taken for refuelling prior to flying over the Andes to Cordoba for the next show. On moving the steering pin that is part of the mechanism that connects the ground tug to the aircraft seemingly fell out. On making a turn the aircraft had no steering and collided with the ground tug badly damaging the undercarriage, two of the aircrafts engines and injuring two ground tug operators, both of whom have been taken to hospital. We hope of course that they make a full and speedy recovery and we will be closely monitoring their progress. The flight engineers are on site and evaluating the damage, but their initial report is that the engines have suffered large damage and will require an extended period of maintenance and possibly two new engines.

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12806086_10153340571302051_6003407874478657092_n.jpg?oh=d2f6d927ba43defa215131f7e2a17a77&oe=579477AB)
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/1914578_10153340571307051_4972289798789546408_n.jpg?oh=f042606946e01dece2ffd7e0bba62fd3&oe=575A137C)

https://www.facebook.com/ironmaiden/posts/10153340571972051
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Enigmachine on March 12, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Sucks for the people who are injured, wouldn't want to get hurt by that thing.

Does the perspective of those photos seem odd to anyone else? The 1st picture makes the engine look about 20 metres high while the other makes it look about 2.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2016, 10:04:43 AM
Tim is a professional heavy metal photographer!

 :lol

Oh, alright then! Didn't know that.

Still: were other people allowed to bring their cameras inside venues?

Don't believe JJ!

When I was a kid (I was 19 at the Maiden show), I smuggled a camera in my pants. For this show I went solo. I bought a 17th row floor ticket on Adrian's side. I managed to get up to the front as the show went on. I also got Adrian's pick at this show.

As far as policy, they were not allowed, but I never had a problem. You had to gauge what was going on. I tried to see if there were pictures being taken around me. If I saw someone get busted (they'd typically take/destroy your film), I'd be careful and wait till the end to get a good shot.

Looking back, I am so glad I have the pics. Such great souvenirs.
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Post by: El Barto on March 12, 2016, 11:57:10 AM
Tim is a professional heavy metal photographer!

 :lol

Oh, alright then! Didn't know that.

Still: were other people allowed to bring their cameras inside venues?

Don't believe JJ!

When I was a kid (I was 19 at the Maiden show), I smuggled a camera in my pants. For this show I went solo. I bought a 17th row floor ticket on Adrian's side. I managed to get up to the front as the show went on. I also got Adrian's pick at this show.

As far as policy, they were not allowed, but I never had a problem. You had to gauge what was going on. I tried to see if there were pictures being taken around me. If I saw someone get busted (they'd typically take/destroy your film), I'd be careful and wait till the end to get a good shot.

Looking back, I am so glad I have the pics. Such great souvenirs.
Yup. You tried to keep low key about it, but you were never too, too worried. This was before metal detectors were commonplace, so it was pretty easy to sneak in a small pocket Kodak (I believe Tim used the disk version). The hard part was scaring up $15 to get the pictures developed. When I was a wee lad Dio actually posed for a picture for me between songs. It would have been totally kick ass had I not been so caught off guard that I neglected to turn the telephoto off, which gave me a picture of one, giant-ass bloodshot eye.

And that's twice now that Maiden have had their pretty new plane wiped out. At some point people are going to stop leasing them aircraft.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on March 12, 2016, 02:07:15 PM
Hopefully everyone ends up being ok from that damaged plane
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Post by: Logain Ablar on March 12, 2016, 03:53:56 PM
(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/SS4.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/SS4.jpg.html)

(https://theultimatesound.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/harris-corbis-630-80.jpg)

Great pics TAC. Funny how Steve looks pretty much exactly the same, all these years later, even down to the expression on his face!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 12, 2016, 05:58:43 PM
Thanks for the anecdotes, TAC and El Barto (cool avatar by the way!).

So, Maiden will be in Argentina for the next few days. There is one TV show (LaViola) and one on-line radio (Vorterix) which usually get to interview big rock bands and broadcast their concerts (or at least some songs). In fact, the guy who created Vorterix (Mario Pergolini) interviewed John Petrucci and Jordan in 2014, and was in charge of bringing DT to Argentina for the first time, in 2005. Maiden is one of the most beloved bands in the country and with a huge fanbase (I think they are second to The Rolling Stones in terms of popularity), so it wouldn't surprise me if the TV or radio journalists get to interview the band and/or broadcast some parts of the concert (the one in Buenos Aires, most probably)

I'll keep my eyes and ears open, and if any of you are interested, I'll post whatever I can find.

PS with a spoiler: So far, they have been playing "The Book Of Souls", which is my favourite song from the new album. I hope we get a live, good-quality recording of it (especially that instrumental part at the end :hefdaddy So cool!). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on March 13, 2016, 05:24:42 AM
Sucks for the people who are injured, wouldn't want to get hurt by that thing.

Does the perspective of those photos seem odd to anyone else? The 1st picture makes the engine look about 20 metres high while the other makes it look about 2.
There are two engines on each wing of the 747. Both engines were damaged. The first picture shows the outside engine which is up higher, the second photo shows the inside engine closer to the fuselage which hangs lower to the ground.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Enigmachine on March 13, 2016, 06:18:16 AM
Sucks for the people who are injured, wouldn't want to get hurt by that thing.

Does the perspective of those photos seem odd to anyone else? The 1st picture makes the engine look about 20 metres high while the other makes it look about 2.
There are two engines on each wing of the 747. Both engines were damaged. The first picture shows the outside engine which is up higher, the second photo shows the inside engine closer to the fuselage which hangs lower to the ground.

Ah, ok. Just me not thinking about it that much then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 14, 2016, 12:36:29 PM
Some high quality pictures from last night's show in Córdoba:
https://vos.lavoz.com.ar/galerias/metal-y-emocion-las-mejores-fotos-del-historico-show-de-iron-maiden-en-cordoba?cx_level=flujo_1 (https://vos.lavoz.com.ar/galerias/metal-y-emocion-las-mejores-fotos-del-historico-show-de-iron-maiden-en-cordoba?cx_level=flujo_1)
https://www.cadena3.com/contenido/2016/03/14/Iron-Maiden-hizo-vibrar-a-20-mil-fanaticos-en-el-Kempes-159774.asp (https://www.cadena3.com/contenido/2016/03/14/Iron-Maiden-hizo-vibrar-a-20-mil-fanaticos-en-el-Kempes-159774.asp)

I liked these ones:
(https://www.cadena3.com/admin/playerswf/fotos/ARCHI_304650.jpg)

(https://staticvosf5b.lavozdelinterior.com.ar/sites/default/files/styles/landscape_894_503/public/galeria_multimedia/maiden71.jpg)

(https://www.cadena3.com/admin/playerswf/fotos/ARCHI_304651.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 14, 2016, 12:42:45 PM
Tim is a professional heavy metal photographer!

 :lol

Oh, alright then! Didn't know that.

Still: were other people allowed to bring their cameras inside venues?

Don't believe JJ!

When I was a kid (I was 19 at the Maiden show), I smuggled a camera in my pants. For this show I went solo. I bought a 17th row floor ticket on Adrian's side. I managed to get up to the front as the show went on. I also got Adrian's pick at this show.

As far as policy, they were not allowed, but I never had a problem. You had to gauge what was going on. I tried to see if there were pictures being taken around me. If I saw someone get busted (they'd typically take/destroy your film), I'd be careful and wait till the end to get a good shot.

Looking back, I am so glad I have the pics. Such great souvenirs.
Yup. You tried to keep low key about it, but you were never too, too worried. This was before metal detectors were commonplace, so it was pretty easy to sneak in a small pocket Kodak (I believe Tim used the disk version). The hard part was scaring up $15 to get the pictures developed. When I was a wee lad Dio actually posed for a picture for me between songs. It would have been totally kick ass had I not been so caught off guard that I neglected to turn the telephoto off, which gave me a picture of one, giant-ass bloodshot eye.

The first camera I used was a $30 Vivitar that a friend of mine went in halves on. We went to a lot of shows together at the time, but there were many shows that we didn't. I ended up getting a better one when I went to college. Both were 35mm film. Automatic flash.

You are so right about the developing. One Hour photo was a relatively new and an AWESOME thing, but it wasn't cheap! Nice memory there Bart!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on March 14, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
Nice pictures, SP.

Sucks for the people who are injured, wouldn't want to get hurt by that thing.

Does the perspective of those photos seem odd to anyone else? The 1st picture makes the engine look about 20 metres high while the other makes it look about 2.
There are two engines on each wing of the 747. Both engines were damaged. The first picture shows the outside engine which is up higher, the second photo shows the inside engine closer to the fuselage which hangs lower to the ground.
This is part of what puzzles me about what happened. A rough estimate is that you've got eighty feet between the outboard engine and the nose gear on a 747. A ground collision that takes damages that much of an aircraft is fairly significant, and I'm not sure how a tug does it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 14, 2016, 01:13:40 PM
That is some nasty damage to the plane.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 15, 2016, 03:36:40 AM
Exactly what I was thinking. Wtf causes that amount of damage? Did someone run into that engine with a tankerwagon? Did it hit something while taxiing? I mean that looks like some serious human error/fuckup.  ???
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 15, 2016, 10:39:27 AM
I came across two interesting clips of Sunday's show in Córdoba:

1. https://twitter.com/Vorterix/status/709774440796725248 (https://twitter.com/Vorterix/status/709774440796725248). Posted today by Vorterix (the famous radio I mentioned before).
During "The Book Of Souls", Eddie falls onstage, and the roadies help him stand up! I guess his age is really starting to show :P
(you can even see Steve noticing it, and constantly checking out if Eddie is OK.)

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kdNY6C2qw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kdNY6C2qw). This is a short clip by InYourFace TV (a website from Córdoba).
They interviewed some fans right before the concert. The video also features some (raw) footage of the bands onstage (Anthrax at 2:41, Maiden at 3:20).

I come back from work at 9pm, around the time Maiden goes on stage. If I find something (maybe a live broadcast?) I'll post it.

EDIT: Just found these links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g21Jj5q7OaI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g21Jj5q7OaI).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRFGIAa6h2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRFGIAa6h2o)
Apparently live streams. I don't know if they are official or fake, but you guys can check them out if you are interested.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 16, 2016, 09:27:58 AM
Couldn't find any (good quality) videos from yesterday's show in Buenos Aires. Here you can find some nice pictures, though:
https://www.infobae.com/2016/03/16/1797461-las-mejores-fotos-del-recital-iron-maiden-velez (https://www.infobae.com/2016/03/16/1797461-las-mejores-fotos-del-recital-iron-maiden-velez)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 28, 2016, 06:28:11 AM
Anybody else going to the NYC show at MSG this Wednesday?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 28, 2016, 07:52:33 AM
1. https://twitter.com/Vorterix/status/709774440796725248 (https://twitter.com/Vorterix/status/709774440796725248). Posted today by Vorterix (the famous radio I mentioned before).
During "The Book Of Souls", Eddie falls onstage, and the roadies help him stand up! I guess his age is really starting to show :P
(you can even see Steve noticing it, and constantly checking out if Eddie is OK.)
This is hilarious.  :lol Eddie's like: "Fuck, I'm too old for this shit."  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 28, 2016, 10:09:03 AM
1. https://twitter.com/Vorterix/status/709774440796725248 (https://twitter.com/Vorterix/status/709774440796725248). Posted today by Vorterix (the famous radio I mentioned before).
During "The Book Of Souls", Eddie falls onstage, and the roadies help him stand up! I guess his age is really starting to show :P
(you can even see Steve noticing it, and constantly checking out if Eddie is OK.)
This is hilarious.  :lol Eddie's like: "Fuck, I'm too old for this shit."  :rollin
Ha!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on March 28, 2016, 10:58:42 AM
Anybody else going to the NYC show at MSG this Wednesday?
Yes! can't wait  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 28, 2016, 11:02:22 AM
Me either.  Hittin' up some place called Stout around the corner with a group.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 29, 2016, 08:28:57 AM
Meanwhile, Paul Di'Anno performed sitting in a wheelchair due to ongoing knee issues.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/former_iron_maiden_singer_paul_dianno_forced_to_perform_in_a_wheelchair_due_to_ongoing_knee_issues.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 29, 2016, 08:48:51 AM
Just stopping by (I've avoided this thread since the tour and haven't read anything so I am not spoiled) to say that I am super pumped for tomorrow's show in NYC!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 29, 2016, 09:48:08 AM
Looking forward to it.  We're picking up the bus in Allentown and coming in.  No f*cking way I'm driving into that mess.  Going to be an excellent show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on March 29, 2016, 09:56:51 AM
Meanwhile, Paul Di'Anno performed sitting in a wheelchair due to ongoing knee issues.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/former_iron_maiden_singer_paul_dianno_forced_to_perform_in_a_wheelchair_due_to_ongoing_knee_issues.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/former_iron_maiden_singer_paul_dianno_forced_to_perform_in_a_wheelchair_due_to_ongoing_knee_issues.html)
If you ask anybody down here what the best Tull show they ever saw was damn near all of them will say "man, that wheelchair show!" While I sadly missed it, Ian Anderson apparently went on a rolling rampage that night.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on March 29, 2016, 10:01:23 AM
Watching for a ticket, but so far no luck. :(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 29, 2016, 10:30:18 AM
Checked these?

https://www.stubhub.com/iron-maiden-tickets-iron-maiden-new-york-madison-square-garden-3-30-2016/event/9408640/?sliderpos=true
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 29, 2016, 10:44:27 AM
Meanwhile, Paul Di'Anno performed sitting in a wheelchair due to ongoing knee issues.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/former_iron_maiden_singer_paul_dianno_forced_to_perform_in_a_wheelchair_due_to_ongoing_knee_issues.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/former_iron_maiden_singer_paul_dianno_forced_to_perform_in_a_wheelchair_due_to_ongoing_knee_issues.html)
If you ask anybody down here what the best Tull show they ever saw was damn near all of them will say "man, that wheelchair show!" While I sadly missed it, Ian Anderson apparently went on a rolling rampage that night.

I've heard similar things about a Tull show like that ('96, I want to say) but this is a case of "not everyone is equal".   Ian can (and clearly did) pull that off, and later I believe, he recreated that as a joke.  But he's known for whacky shit like that.  Honestly?  I'm always the first guy to say "the band/artist can play as long as they want, and it's our choice to pay for the tickets or not", but the Di'Anno thing is sad.    He's a shell of his former self, and honestly, he's not bringing anything to the table that someone picked randomly from the crowd couldn't do.   
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 30, 2016, 02:10:42 AM
Yup, totally agree. There comes a time to admit to one's self that it's time to pack it in and retire already. As much respect I have for the man's legacy in the early years.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 30, 2016, 03:44:09 AM
I saw Di'anno once, can't remember if he supported someone or he was the main act but either way it was cool hearing the maiden songs but once you opened your eyes and saw Di'anno the fun swept away and all you saw was some guy feeding of his small legacy from his time in Maiden.

Have more respect for Blaze Bayley in that regard because he atleast does his own thing and the last time I heard one of his albums it sounded pretty good.
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Post by: TAC on March 30, 2016, 05:49:13 AM
Blaze has put out TONS of great music.
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Post by: Mladen on March 30, 2016, 06:23:25 AM
Blaze CONTINUES to put out great music, his new album Infinite entanglement is really good. The last two times I saw him, he performed a lot of his solo stuff and only several (four or five) classic Maiden tunes. Truly admirable, he's very aware of the quality of his solo career.
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Post by: Stadler on March 30, 2016, 07:53:00 AM
It's not like Di'Anno sucks; Killers is a legendary album.  That album ROOLS.   But you don't get to phone it in. 
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Post by: TAC on March 30, 2016, 08:12:23 AM
Dianno had such a great voice.
I love the way he sounds on this:
(https://soundpark.space/torrents/images/realsize/133629.jpg)

and also this:
(https://www.metal-archives.com/images/7/5/5/1/7551.jpg?1928)
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Post by: home on March 30, 2016, 09:10:13 AM
Speaking about wheel chairs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGPV3IGBJug   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGPV3IGBJug)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 30, 2016, 09:18:56 AM
 :lol Yea I just saw that on their FB.  :metal
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Post by: Mladen on March 30, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
I saw a FB video of Bruce addressing that guy during Wasted years with "Good evening, sir!" Great moment.
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Post by: ozzy554 on March 30, 2016, 10:20:38 AM
I have no idea why Dianno does not do more of his solo stuff. He actually has some great stuff in his discography. Even his last album Architects of Chaoz I thought was pretty good.
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Post by: El Barto on March 30, 2016, 11:38:50 AM
The smile on Wheelchair Dude's face is priceless.
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on March 30, 2016, 08:31:03 PM
The smile on Wheelchair Dude's face is priceless.
Ha! That sounds like the name of a meme character!
Bruce's and Steve's smiles while watching him are also cool! They seem genuinely happy to see him in the crowd.
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Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2016, 09:44:12 PM
Blaze CONTINUES to put out great music, his new album Infinite entanglement is really good. The last two times I saw him, he performed a lot of his solo stuff and only several (four or five) classic Maiden tunes. Truly admirable, he's very aware of the quality of his solo career.

I haven't got it yet but what I heard even though sounded quite thin and a bit watered down, had some good grooves and melodies.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 31, 2016, 12:38:11 PM
Last night was a ton of fun, definitely the coolest stage show IMO that IM has done overall.  Lots of pyro's and Bruce's performance was superb I thought (other than messing up the ending of TBoS).  However, the volume was ridiculously loud.  Hard to hear the band clearly.  That was a huge letdown.  Also noticed a lot of mistakes by the band.  Either way, it was really fun and a surprising setlist I thought.  I managed to not be spoiled so when they played Children of the Damned and Powerslave I was really excited.  Met up briefly with Cozmo and met his wife, very cool people, hope your family enjoyed the show too!

My youtube video of my clips.  I ended up really liking my seats in the redone upper area at MSG.  Front row in section 301 had my standing up against the clear railing the entire time hanging over it with my beers.  I wanted to be up front so badly, but this may have been better than sitting in the middle on the side.

https://youtu.be/64tqNQjn8no (https://youtu.be/64tqNQjn8no)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 17, 2016, 03:36:51 PM
Listening to Beast Over Hammersmith and remembering Clive and his drumming.  :'(  :metal
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 18, 2016, 04:09:36 PM
Listening to Beast Over Hammersmith and remembering Clive and his drumming.  :'(  :metal

I really love listening to Clive play.  His playing is a lot more understated than Nick, and as a result there are moments of incredible power on those first three albums.  I also love that he got to play on the songs with all the weird 90degree tempo changes.

Interesting lyric explanation from the Maiden facebook:  'History snippet: Von Richthofen claimed that his Fokker DR.1 could “climb like a monkey and maneuver like a devil.”'

Line still sounds out of place haha.

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Post by: Mosh on April 18, 2016, 06:26:09 PM
Also noticed a lot of mistakes by the band.
Saw them twice on this tour and the mistakes were really obvious both times. The first time it was in Vegas (third show) so I just figured that they were still warming up, the second time was just last week and they were still messing up a bit (though not as much). Didn't ruin the show at all but was definitely strange.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2016, 06:14:51 AM
Also noticed a lot of mistakes by the band.
Saw them twice on this tour and the mistakes were really obvious both times. The first time it was in Vegas (third show) so I just figured that they were still warming up, the second time was just last week and they were still messing up a bit (though not as much). Didn't ruin the show at all but was definitely strange.

Yea, definitely didn't ruin the show for me either.  The sound was honestly the worst part, mistakes are fine in my book unless it ruins a song because that is part of the live experience although Bruce's botching of the final "The Book of Souls" line was a bit disappointing since it's such an awesome ending to the song.
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Post by: Zydar on April 26, 2016, 07:45:56 AM
"Tell me why I had to be a Wicker Man" (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/entertainment/government_forced_these_ridiculous_changes_on_iron_maiden_for_their_first-ever_show_in_china.html) ???
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Post by: Logain Ablar on April 26, 2016, 08:19:53 AM
"Tell me why I had to be a Wicker Man" (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/iron_maiden_make_chinese_live_debut_forced_to_change_powerslave_lyrics.html) ???

I read that earlier. Crazy stuff. Why oh why?  ::)

The "air flag" waving is pretty funny: https://youtu.be/WYvTOiT5ewc?t=28
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Post by: wolfking on April 26, 2016, 05:40:27 PM
That's bloody weird.

1 week til I see them.  :metal
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Post by: Nick on April 26, 2016, 09:30:48 PM
"Tell me why I had to be a Wicker Man" (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/entertainment/government_forced_these_ridiculous_changes_on_iron_maiden_for_their_first-ever_show_in_china.html) ???

I think the funniest part is not being able to use pyrotechnics in the country that invented gun powder. :lol
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Post by: El Barto on April 26, 2016, 09:46:07 PM
I wonder why "Powerslave."

Surprised by the small venue (relatively speaking). That's looks like 10k. Twelve tops.
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Post by: 425 on April 27, 2016, 12:11:10 AM
I think the use of the word "slave" could be interpreted as sending the message that Chinese citizens are slaves to their government. Taken out of context, I suppose the line "tell me why I had to be a powerslave" could mean "tell me why I had to be enslaved by the power of my government." Obviously that's not what the line actually means, and obviously I don't know any of this for sure, but that's my best guess at the rationale for why they made Bruce change the line.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on April 27, 2016, 02:10:04 AM
Just found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLi9WD4Msyw

Looks like the lyric was only changed for the first chorus. It's "powerslave" in the other choruses..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2016, 06:15:55 AM
Bruce forget what song he was singing then?  :lol
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Post by: jammindude on April 27, 2016, 06:28:40 AM
I'm thinking it was just British humor....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 27, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
Well, so Bruce was just joking around, he forgot to sing the right words (unlikely, since he wrote them and it's the name of the song), he forgot that he was supposed to change the words after the first chorus, or he stopped caring about the censors after the first chorus.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 30, 2016, 04:28:34 AM
Maiden tomorrow!!
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Post by: wolfking on May 01, 2016, 05:39:03 AM
Maiden tomorrow!!

Wednesday for me.
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Post by: Zydar on May 01, 2016, 06:37:46 AM
Maiden tomorrow!!

Remember tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2016, 08:43:30 AM
Maiden tomorrow!!

Remember tomorrow.

Agreed, before they are wasted years!!  :metal :metal
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 02, 2016, 01:41:07 AM
Concert was amazing.  Was an arms length away from the barrier on Adrians side for most of the show.  think i was the most hardcore fan there, most people didn't know how Blood Brothers went... noobs :lol so effing good.
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Post by: wolfking on May 02, 2016, 04:57:40 AM
most people didn't know how Blood Brothers went... noobs :lol

The fuck?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 07:06:24 AM
most people didn't know how Blood Brothers went... noobs :lol

The fuck?

Agreed... the fuck?
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Post by: wolfking on May 02, 2016, 02:24:47 PM
Tomorrow night for me.  Hope the merch is good and reasonably priced.

The support is The Raven Age with Steve's son;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZBxjrknWsU

Meh, not keen on seeing them, solid enough though.  What do people reckon, help me out, if I'm struggling to finish work early, the tickets say 7:30pm on them, so with the support they would probably go on around 8pm so Maiden would come on what 9:00 - 9:30pm hey?  Getting there at 9pm should be sweet I think.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
Tomorrow night for me.  Hope the merch is good and reasonably priced.

The support is The Raven Age with Steve's son;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZBxjrknWsU

Meh, not keen on seeing them, solid enough though.  What do people reckon, help me out, if I'm struggling to finish work early, the tickets say 7:30pm on them, so with the support they would probably go on around 8pm so Maiden would come on what 9:00 - 9:30pm hey?  Getting there at 9pm should be sweet I think.

Maiden go on at 9 most likely.  9pm seems to be standard for IM.  One time they went on earlier, but otherwise I have never seen them go on later.
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Post by: wolfking on May 02, 2016, 02:32:43 PM
Tomorrow night for me.  Hope the merch is good and reasonably priced.

The support is The Raven Age with Steve's son;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZBxjrknWsU

Meh, not keen on seeing them, solid enough though.  What do people reckon, help me out, if I'm struggling to finish work early, the tickets say 7:30pm on them, so with the support they would probably go on around 8pm so Maiden would come on what 9:00 - 9:30pm hey?  Getting there at 9pm should be sweet I think.

Maiden go on at 9 most likely.  9pm seems to be standard for IM.  One time they went on earlier, but otherwise I have never seen them go on later.

Thanks mate.  If I can do what I need to do, drive in there and see Maiden without the waiting, I'll be a happy man!  :metal
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 02, 2016, 03:56:03 PM
it was doors at 6:30pm Raven Age at 7:40pm, Maiden at 8:50pm for us.  Everything was bang on time. 

There were some sweet new shirts, Eddie with the heart, and that revamped powerslave thing, but I held off, $60 a shirt is a little bit too much for this fella. 

most people didn't know how Blood Brothers went... noobs :lol

The fuck?

Agreed... the fuck?

Yep.  I was pretty disappointed with the lack of knowledge around me in general tbh.  I started hollering when Doctor Doctor started playing and these two dudes in front of me were like 'why are we getting excited about this?' :facepalm:

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 02, 2016, 03:56:46 PM
Tomorrow night for me.  Hope the merch is good and reasonably priced.

The support is The Raven Age with Steve's son;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZBxjrknWsU

Meh, not keen on seeing them, solid enough though.  What do people reckon, help me out, if I'm struggling to finish work early, the tickets say 7:30pm on them, so with the support they would probably go on around 8pm so Maiden would come on what 9:00 - 9:30pm hey?  Getting there at 9pm should be sweet I think.

Maiden go on at 9 most likely.  9pm seems to be standard for IM.  One time they went on earlier, but otherwise I have never seen them go on later.

Thanks mate.  If I can do what I need to do, drive in there and see Maiden without the waiting, I'll be a happy man!  :metal

Enjoy!
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Post by: wolfking on May 02, 2016, 03:59:26 PM
I will.

Gonna buy a bit of merch too hopefully!!
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Post by: wolfking on May 04, 2016, 03:12:32 PM
Saw the boys last night in Brisbane and it was an absolutely amazing show, loved every second of it.  It's incredible the age of these guys are they are still going so strong.  Bruce is the best frontman in the world, the guy is just incredible and his voice was top notch, and his performance from start to finish was to amazing.

The sound was quite good and the set and stage show was phenominal of course.  Nicko's drums sounded very meaty and he performed well.  Steve was solid as always, Adrian had some blistering solos, Janick was energetic and entertaining and Dave was good old Dave.  Of the 3, Adrian was by far the best in the solo departement.  Dave was actually a bit sloppy and seemed a bit lazy and Janick was Janick.  Say what you want about Janick, but his sound is quite integral to the band now and he always puts on a show.

Going on about the Blood Brothers comment, I was quite surprised the difference in reaction between the new stuff and the stuff.  Seemed a lot of people didn't really know Blood Brothers either and even the reception on the new songs seemed quite lukewarm.  Not sure what's wrong with people, I found the new stuff more interesting and entertaining than the same old songs we've seen before.  Thinking about it now, I would have loved to see the AMOLAD tour where they play the whole album.  There was quite a number of people going out and getting drinks and shit during Death or Glory and The Book of Souls.

Highlights for me were If Eternity Should Fail (Bruce is God on this one), The Red and the Black, Powerslave, The Book of Souls and Blood Brothers.  I was surprised how fucking amazing Blood Brothers was, and it might have been my fav actually.  Would have loved to hear more post 2000 stuff to be honest.

All in all, just brilliant, and the crowd was quite full which was good.  $55 bucks a shirt though, damn!!
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Damn that's an expensive shirt.

Glad you enjoyed it, but it's definitely a thing in the US too where the reunion era music is less well received than the oldies.  Sucks, because the new stuff is great.  I can't imagine getting up and going to the bathroom or for a drink during The Book of Souls, that song was AMAZING live, yet I could easily see myself going to the bathroom during The Number of the Beast.  Oh well, it is what it is and it was a lot worse of a crowd when they did play all of AMoLaD.
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Post by: TAC on May 04, 2016, 04:22:53 PM
I'd definitely be getting drinks and taking a piss during Death Or Glory too!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 04, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
Are the Aussie shirts different than the Kiwi shirts? I've been paying attention to all of the event shirts this tour.

And I believe mine was 600 pesos, so about $32 US. Made me nostalgic for the 80s. Looks like fifty-five of your dollarydoos is currently $41 US, so that's not terribly outrageous (relatively speaking, of course). I think the US shirts were going for $40.

edit: they are different. New ones are already up at the Maiden shop. The Kiwis got the better art, methinks. China's are spectacular.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 04, 2016, 05:03:58 PM
I was kinda meh about the kiwi shirt, it was pretty much the same concept as the one they brought in '09.  But I suppose there isn't much else you can do for a country who is basically only known for rugby and sheep buggery.  Eddie and a sheep... 

Going on about the Blood Brothers comment, I was quite surprised the difference in reaction between the new stuff and the stuff.  Seemed a lot of people didn't really know Blood Brothers either and even the reception on the new songs seemed quite lukewarm.  Not sure what's wrong with people, I found the new stuff more interesting and entertaining than the same old songs we've seen before. 

It's weird.  It's like, and I imagine it was the same with Sabbath coming to NZ, you'd get a lot of casual fans coming, just because it's a huge band and they like the Trooper or whatever. 

Whereabouts in the venue were you?

I was surprised that in the pit there were a ton of people who didn't know much of the new stuff, or Blood Brothers.  There were a bunch of us doing the 'climb like a monkey' part :lol the true test of who the hardcore fans are!
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Post by: Tomislav95 on May 04, 2016, 05:06:37 PM
Iron Maiden is type of band everyone know but sadly not everyone check their newest releases. I remember when I saw them few years ago, there were so many non-fans and casual fans. It's no surprise many people know just classics.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 04, 2016, 05:08:42 PM
^ yeah exactly this.  I think the reception last time they were here was better because they had a setlist full of classics.  But the smaller venue this time around worked in their favour, they managed to pack it out mostly, compared to half empty last time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Tomislav95 on May 04, 2016, 05:23:51 PM
They are not so often in my country so they managed to sell whole arena.
They are coming again this year but to city that's not well connected with my city and I'd had to go alone. Hopefully some of my friends will decide to go :\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 04, 2016, 09:05:16 PM
Yeah, the Aussie shirts weren't all that special IMO.

I'd definitely be getting drinks and taking a piss during Death Or Glory too!

It was quite good live, surprising. 

I would have loved the set a few years ago, I can't remember if it was a specific tour but didn't they play like 90% from BNW onwards, with like 2 or 3 old songs, that was it.  I would have loved to see that set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 04, 2016, 09:33:43 PM
Yeah, the Aussie shirts weren't all that special IMO.

I'd definitely be getting drinks and taking a piss during Death Or Glory too!

It was quite good live, surprising. 

I would have loved the set a few years ago, I can't remember if it was a specific tour but didn't they play like 90% from BNW onwards, with like 2 or 3 old songs, that was it.  I would have loved to see that set.
That was the US leg of TFF tour with DT opening. I gather that after the US tour they did a traditional TFF tour, as filmed in En Vivo. Make sense since we didn't really get TFF or AMoLaD tours here, whereas the rest of the world did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 04, 2016, 11:50:30 PM
The Wicker Man
Ghost of the Navigator
Wrathchild
El Dorado
Dance of Death
The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
These Colours Don't Run
Blood Brothers
Wildest Dreams
No More Lies
Brave New World
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden

The Number of the Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Running Free

Yeah, that look like the one, good stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2016, 05:55:05 AM
Yeah, the Aussie shirts weren't all that special IMO.

I'd definitely be getting drinks and taking a piss during Death Or Glory too!

It was quite good live, surprising. 

I would have loved the set a few years ago, I can't remember if it was a specific tour but didn't they play like 90% from BNW onwards, with like 2 or 3 old songs, that was it.  I would have loved to see that set.
That was the US leg of TFF tour with DT opening. I gather that after the US tour they did a traditional TFF tour, as filmed in En Vivo. Make sense since we didn't really get TFF or AMoLaD tours here, whereas the rest of the world did.

I'm sure D or G was better live. But I still think it's a weak track.

Bart, we did get an AMOLOD tour. Not sure how long the leg was. Pretty sure it was longer than TBoS leg. I missed the show in Boston because we were away on vacation that week.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2016, 07:11:04 AM
We did get the AMoLaD tour and it was short similar to TBoS

and that tour with DT had my favorite live setlist of the band.  Glad I got to see that show twice (and DT twice too) and the AMoLaD show too. 

It was a good time to be a fan, I became a fan after DoD but before AMoLaD yet because of all the throw back tours, I managed to get to see

The Early Years
AMoLAD
Somewhere Back in Time (twice)
The tour before TFF which we talk about above with the sweet set of mixed reuinion era songs (twice)
Maiden England
and just recently TBoS

I feel quit lucky after writing that out to have been able to catch all the newer songs as well as all of the classics since being a relatively new fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 05, 2016, 06:39:58 PM
AMoLaD was a couple of dates shorter. It was also largely confined to New England and NE Canada, with only 3 shows in the rest of the US. We're talking 11-13 NA dates (including Canada) for those two tours. By way of comparison, the US got 8 shows for AMoLaD. The UK got 9 alone. They hit five cities in Japan.  These are your proper album tours. Only Florida got album support tours for TFF. As for DoD, the US seems to have gotten 4 dates total.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 06, 2016, 12:54:26 PM
Only Florida got album support tours for TFF.

And we've gotten a total of one show since. In Fort Lauderdale.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
Only Florida got album support tours for TFF.

And we've gotten a total of one show since. In Fort Lauderdale.

Still better than most of the US.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 06, 2016, 01:44:59 PM
After putting together a similar list for DT, I figured I'd do a scorecard for Maiden. Looks like I'm up to 18 shows. They stopped coming to Dallas for a while after SBiT, so there's a pretty big gap between that and TXF. Also of note is that exactly half of the shows, nine of the last 11, have been away from Dallas.

 3/4/851
 1/22/87
 3/16/96
 7/12/982
 8/8/99
 9/1/2000
 8/18/03
 8/16/03 Houston
 8/9/05 Denver3
 8/20/05 San Bernadino4
 2/19/08 Los Angeles5
 5/22/08 Houston
 6/9/10 Dallas6
 6/11/10 Houston
 8/17/12 Dallas
 8/18/12 Houston
 2/26/16 Tulsa
 3/3/16 Mexico City
 6/23/17 Dallas

 
1
Got to meet a couple of them backstage after the show
2 110° and an outdoor show (under a shed, no less)
3 Only US headlining date of the tour
4 The infamous Egg-fest show
5 First leg of the SBoT tour which was filmed for Flight 666 (TNotB)
6 Opening night, and as such the only show to feature Brighter than a Thousand Suns
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Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2016, 02:12:50 PM
 8/9/05 Denver

You lucky dude  :lol
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Post by: TAC on May 06, 2016, 02:28:04 PM
Awesome list Bart!
Here's mine:

8/27/83  Cape Cod Coliseum  (Fastway, Coney Hatch)
6/2/85  Providence Civic Center (Accept)
3/30/87 Providence Civic Center  (Waysted)
7/17/88  Worcester Centrum  (Frehley's Comet)
7/20/88  Providence Civic Center (Frehley's Comet)
1/21/91  Brendan Byrne Arena, Meadowlands, NJ  (Anthrax)
1/25/91  Providence Civic Center (Anthrax)
6/8/92   The Ritz, New York City (Dream Theater)
7/?/98  Celebrity Theater, Phoenix AZ  (Dio)
7/18/99  Orpheum Theater, Boston
8/20/00  Great Woods, Mansfield, MA  (Queensryche, Halford)
6/20/08  Great Woods, Mansfield, MA
6/26/12  Great Woods, Mansfield, MA  (Alice Cooper)

Bruce Dickinson:
7/22/90  The Living Room, Providence RI  (with Jannick)
9/28/97  The Strand Theater, Providence RI (with Adrian)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2016, 02:38:55 PM
I gave an overview before, but I'll do the details for fun:

July 26, 2005 - PNC Bank Arts Center, Holmdel NJ
October 13, 2006 - Continental Airlines Arena (formerly the Brendan Byrne Arena that TAC went to), Meadowlands NJ
March 14, 2008 - IZOD Center (formerly the Continental Airlines Arena, and previously the Brendan Byrne Arena  :lol), Meadowlands NJ
June 15, 2008 - Madison Square Garden, New York City NY - Won the Heaven Can Wait contest and got on stage behind Steve Harris as seen here: https://youtu.be/-Hk76D_ExuA?t=1h18m9s (https://youtu.be/-Hk76D_ExuA?t=1h18m9s)
July 11, 2010 - PNC Bank Arts Center, Holmdel NJ
July 12, 2010 - Madison Square Garden, New York City NY
July 2, 2012 - Prudential Center, Newark NJ
March 30, 2016 - Madison Square Garden, New York City NY
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2016, 02:53:01 PM
I edited my post to list the amazing group of opening bands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 06, 2016, 03:32:56 PM
I curse and yell and shake my fist at everybody who mentions seeing the PoM tour. As I've said many times, the last show I was too young to attend. And only by a couple of months, to boot.

Shame you didn't get Saxon, though. Down here they were the middle act with Fastway opening.

I'd have a tough time placing the opening acts. Largely different from TAC's list, which seems odd. I know WASP opened World Slavery. I think Y&T was in there a couple of times. Seeing Frehley's Comet rings a bell. Dio was part of several Summer package tours. Over the last 15 years or so I've been mostly skipping them.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2016, 03:37:40 PM
Dream Theater and Alice Cooper were the only opening acts worth noting for me, although one of those shows was at Ozzfest so there were tons of bands including Black Sabbath as the headliner.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2016, 03:40:04 PM
I curse and yell and shake my fist at everybody who mentions seeing the PoM tour. As I've said many times, the last show I was too young to attend. And only by a couple of months, to boot.

Shame you didn't get Saxon, though. Down here they were the middle act with Fastway opening.



1983 was the first summer that I got to go to shows. I was 14 (turned 15 in Sept 83). They were both at the Cape Cod Coliseum which wasn't very far from where I grew up. (my first show as Def Leppard/Krokus/Gary Moore on 6/25/83).

In fact I saw Maiden on the Powerslave tour in Providence in June of '85, but they came to Worcester in January (with Twisted Sister). Worcester was twice as far from us than Providence. I had friends that went to the Worcester show, but my folks didn't let me go.
But as you say, by months. I attended my first show in Worcester in September '85 (AC/DC/Yngwie).

Oh, and I would've gladly traded CH for Saxon.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2016, 03:45:09 PM
Oh, and Fogeys talking about how they were too young for something! :facepalm:   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 06, 2016, 08:04:04 PM

10/09/1982 New Haven Coliseum (Opening for Judas Priest)  First concert ever.  UNBELIEVABLE
08/26/1983 New Haven Coliseum (Fastway - who ROCKED, Coney Hatch - who didn't)  Bruce's mike didn't work for the whole first verse of Where Eagles Dare, and yet - I swear this is true - we could STILL hear him over the band.
05/31/1985 New Haven, CT (Accept)
07/22/2003 Hartford, CT (Dio, Motorhead)  Third time seeing Motorhead, and second time seeing Dio, who did Stargazer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2016, 08:34:13 PM

10/09/1982 New Haven Coliseum (Opening for Judas Priest)  First concert ever.  UNBELIEVABLE

Epic first concert  :metal

Also forgot to add in that video I linked, before Heaven Can Wait they played Powerslave... and the power went out during Powerslave. Being that I was waiting to go on stage for the next song with everyone else, the meet point was in seats along the side with a bad view of the stage, but a good view of the side soundboard backstage.  I got to see Bruce fairly close up come back there and yell at the sound guy after kicking a soccer ball on stage  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 09, 2016, 09:18:32 AM

10/09/1982 New Haven Coliseum (Opening for Judas Priest)  First concert ever.  UNBELIEVABLE

Epic first concert  :metal

Also forgot to add in that video I linked, before Heaven Can Wait they played Powerslave... and the power went out during Powerslave. Being that I was waiting to go on stage for the next song with everyone else, the meet point was in seats along the side with a bad view of the stage, but a good view of the side soundboard backstage.  I got to see Bruce fairly close up come back there and yell at the sound guy after kicking a soccer ball on stage  :lol

Life-changing, and I am not exaggerating one bit.

At the next show, when Bruce's mike went out, it was the same thing; he came back to the backline tech and gave a piece of HIS mind (pun intended). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sycsa on June 04, 2016, 05:02:57 PM
I've recently been getting more and more into Iron Maiden, I just listened to Rock In Rio and Dance of Death, and both these albums got - what I always considered to be - the typical, quintessential DT kick drum sound (FII, SFAM, SDOIT). Of course that can't be accidental, I thought to myself, and a quick Google search proved it, as I found out that Kevin Shirley produced all those albums. So weird, that sound doesn't fit Maiden at all. When I hear it, I keep picturing Mike Portnoy behind the kit. Checked out some more Shirley albums from the period, they ALL have that same kick drum sound. They guy must have really liked it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 04, 2016, 05:39:13 PM
I've recently been getting more and more into Iron Maiden, I just listened to Rock In Rio and Dance of Death, and both these albums got - what I always considered to be - the typical, quintessential DT kick drum sound (FII, SFAM, SDOIT). Of course that can't be accidental, I thought to myself, and a quick Google search proved it, as I found out that Kevin Shirley produced all those albums. So weird, that sound doesn't fit Maiden at all. When I hear it, I keep picturing Mike Portnoy behind the kit. Checked out some more Shirley albums from the period, they ALL have that same kick drum sound. They guy must have really liked it.

I don't notice it in IM quite as easily as I notice it on the Journey 2001 DVD. It's exact.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 04, 2016, 09:57:16 PM
I was at that Denver show too in 05. Pretty lucky that they decided to do a headline show here.

Here's my list, not as impressive as the others here but I'll post it anyway:

8/20/03, Denver (Motorhead/Dio)
8/9/05, Denver (Mastodon/Rob Zombie)
6/14/10, Denver (Dream Theater)
8/13/12, Denver (Coheed and Cambria)
2/28/16, Las Vegas (Raven Age)
4/13/16, Denver (Raven Age)

Best show by far was vegas.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2016, 10:58:19 PM
2/28/16, Las Vegas (Raven Age)
Best show by far was vegas.

Ugh at Mandalay Bay.. I wish I had gone to that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 05, 2016, 02:00:01 AM
The first time I saw Maiden was at the 99 reunion tour. I remember the setlist was pretty amazing. Also the only time i've seen them indoors which is a diffrent thing. The best time I saw them was in 2008. Everything was perfect on that show,  the band was on fire, the sound was perfect, setlist was all you could ask for, great audience and the overall mood was the best it could be.

10/09/99 Ed Hunter Tour -Stockholm - Globe Arena
16/07/08 SBIT Tour - Stockholm - Olympic Stadium
01/07/11 TFF Tour - Gothenburg - Ullevi Stadium
10/07/13 Maiden England Tour - Malmö - Malmö Stadium

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: CharlesPL on June 05, 2016, 12:26:51 PM
My shows :

20/06/2000 - Katowice
21/06/2000 - Warsaw
03/06/2003 - Katowice
28/11/2003 - Wroclaw
28/05/2005 - Prague
29/05/2005 - Chorzow
06/06/2007 - Ostrava
07/08/2008 - Warsaw (Bruce Dickinson's 50th Birthday)
08/08/2008 - Prague
14/08/2010 - Budapest
10/06/2011 - Warsaw
03/07/2013 - Lodz
03/07/2013 - Gdansk
24/06/2014 - Poznan

03/07/2016 - Wroclaw


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 06, 2016, 01:17:47 PM
Saw them last night and loved it. Rarely do I find it difficult to put my emotions into words, but this is one of those situations.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 07, 2016, 03:17:56 AM
I just saw this on Facebook and had to share it.

The first plane is Germany's Angela Merkel, the second is France's president Francois Hollande.

And then there's Iron Maiden.

(https://i.imgur.com/iyIkBa7.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 07, 2016, 03:20:32 AM
Seeing them tomorrow night!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: home on June 07, 2016, 06:45:52 AM
Seeing them tomorrow night!
Awesome, going to see them tomorrow too :D I am so excited!  :lol  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2016, 07:57:35 AM
I just saw this on Facebook and had to share it.

The first plane is Germany's Angela Merkel, the second is France's president Francois Hollande.

And then there's Iron Maiden.

(https://i.imgur.com/iyIkBa7.jpg)

This is awesome, but do Merkel and Hollande seriously travel in such small and seemingly unprotected planes?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2016, 09:46:24 AM
They're not carrying a stage show like Maiden's either.  They only need, what, a microphone and a lectern, no? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2016, 09:47:03 AM
They're not carrying a stage show like Maiden's either.  They only need, what, a microphone and a lectern, no?

They should carry a stage show
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: home on June 07, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
I just saw this on Facebook and had to share it.

The first plane is Germany's Angela Merkel, the second is France's president Francois Hollande.

And then there's Iron Maiden.

--
This is awesome, but do Merkel and Hollande seriously travel in such small and seemingly unprotected planes?

I don't think their planes are particularly small, it's just Iron Maidens plane that's a little oversized
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2016, 11:43:57 AM
I just saw this on Facebook and had to share it.

The first plane is Germany's Angela Merkel, the second is France's president Francois Hollande.

And then there's Iron Maiden.

--
This is awesome, but do Merkel and Hollande seriously travel in such small and seemingly unprotected planes?

I don't think their planes are particularly small, it's just Iron Maidens plane that's a little oversized

I'm more comparing it to Air Force One which is similar in size, I'm not expecting the leaders of any country to be flying in something that big, but something bigger than what you see in those pics, which makes sense for local European travel, but for someone as important as those two, just figured something more protective was in order.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2016, 12:55:40 PM
They're not carrying a stage show like Maiden's either.  They only need, what, a microphone and a lectern, no?

They should carry a stage show

Or at least have a ten foot Eddie walk out behind them when they're speaking (or in the alternative, a lunatic Bruce Dickinson waiving a 6 foot by 8 foot Union Jack as he runs back and forth behind the dais).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2016, 01:03:16 PM
They're not carrying a stage show like Maiden's either.  They only need, what, a microphone and a lectern, no?

They should carry a stage show

Or at least have a ten foot Eddie walk out behind them when they're speaking (or in the alternative, a lunatic Bruce Dickinson waiving a 6 foot by 8 foot Union Jack as he runs back and forth behind the dais).

And flames, massive flames.  A stage show wouldn't be complete without some pyro!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 07, 2016, 01:29:14 PM
The French president has a customized A330. The German president has an A340 with missile defenses. The A340-300 is actually not too far away from the 747. These are a Dassault Falcon and a Bombardier G5000 which they probably use for short flights. No idea where this picture was taken, but I imagine is was someplace pretty close to home for both of them. Also worth noting that AF1 is accompanied by one of two deafeningly loud C141s which carry all of the trappings of office. Armored limo and support vehicles and whatnot. It really is a big to-do. I suspect Hollande and Merkel both have a similar advance team. That said, Maiden still beats them out, though the POTUS tops them all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2016, 02:20:33 AM
Apparently it's from Zurich airport.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/heres_what_iron_maidens_plane_looks_like_next_to_planes_of_german_chancellor_and_french_president.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 08, 2016, 03:21:35 AM
That's amazing!  :lol  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nel on June 09, 2016, 08:15:43 AM
Random opinion: the tour poster (the green background with Eddie holding the heart) should have been the album cover. It's a lot more memorable than just Eddie with a black background.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 09, 2016, 09:47:16 AM
I think the tour posters are usually more interesting than the album covers, atleast in recent years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 09, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
Random opinion: the tour poster (the green background with Eddie holding the heart) should have been the album cover. It's a lot more memorable than just Eddie with a black background.

I don't think there's a single person that disagrees with this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on June 09, 2016, 11:00:18 AM
Yeah, not a fan of the blank cover either. This is what I've been using:

(https://i.imgur.com/s1CKzO7.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2016, 02:43:31 PM
Didn't see this here and only just noticed myself so sharing:

Death or Glory Live Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b708rEG7spI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b708rEG7spI)

It seems to actually be a live recording as well, really cool!  Makes me wonder if this will make a DVD of this tour since the clips from this song includes shots of them playing other songs (making me think they may have recorded the entire show).
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Post by: wolfking on June 09, 2016, 05:33:22 PM
I'm sure there will be a DVD.
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Post by: TAC on June 09, 2016, 05:49:54 PM
I'm sure there will be a DVD.

I would definitely expect one.
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Post by: jjrock88 on June 09, 2016, 06:34:32 PM
I would be very surprised if there wasn't a live cd/dvd upcoming very soon.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 10, 2016, 12:22:57 AM
Yup, another tour another live video.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 10, 2016, 01:43:35 AM
Went to see them at the Gelredome in Arnhem. Other then the fact that the place was so packed (this was a giant stadium) you could barely move around and the poor logistics of the place (only ONE toilet facility being clearly marked with a narrow passageway for hundreds of people to pass throug, really?). People were going off at the stewards for being lead a certain way around, with the only explenation being: 'yeah, it's busy, sorry'. How female attendees had to do their business in this place, I cannot imagine, because I didn't see any portocabins.  It was a great concert, although I didn't get to see very much, off course, being wayy at the back. But yeah, I'll go see them again next time, but not at this venue, I'm sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 07:00:17 AM
Yup, another tour another live video.

We didn't get one from the previous tour (which really sucks even if it was another repeat tour, Maiden England).  But yea, I can't see how they don't release a DVD from this tour, especially considering how awesome it was and how I feel it may have been their best overall stage show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 10, 2016, 07:57:44 AM
At least we got some pretty high quality live streams from that tour,
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 10, 2016, 08:27:26 AM
Random opinion: the tour poster (the green background with Eddie holding the heart) should have been the album cover. It's a lot more memorable than just Eddie with a black background.

That's actually what I use (with the logo/title placed atop). The bland-ish cover is my only single point of criticism for the entire record.

With that said – the non-busy cover is actually pretty unique for the catalog. Maybe that's why they used it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: home on June 10, 2016, 11:10:34 AM
I saw Maiden wednesday, that was just amazing   :hefdaddy It's really incredible how much energy those old fuckers still have! The sound was a little bit echoing in Gelredome but that did not take away from the experience, what a great evening that was. Loved the setlist too, Blood Brothers was especially amazing, the chorus normally bores me a little but it works fantastically live  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 11, 2016, 01:30:44 AM
So after hearing Trivium do an acoustic cover of For the Greater Good of God, decided to hear the original version.  Holy cow, it's a good song.  I wish I could hear more from A Matter of Life and Death album, but for some reason, Spotify does not have it, so I don't listen to those songs frequently.  When I did hear it on youtube, I know I liked it well enough, but just not enough to recall all of the songs like I would with The Final Frontier or The Book of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on June 11, 2016, 02:13:46 AM
So after hearing Trivium do an acoustic cover of For the Greater Good of God, decided to hear the original version.  Holy cow, it's a good song.  I wish I could hear more from A Matter of Life and Death album, but for some reason, Spotify does not have it, so I don't listen to those songs frequently.  When I did hear it on youtube, I know I liked it well enough, but just not enough to recall all of the songs like I would with The Final Frontier or The Book of Souls.

There are many (myself included) that consider that album to easily be one of their finest works. It took me several years, but when it finally clicked home for me, I was hooked.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on June 11, 2016, 02:25:10 AM
A Matter of Life and Death is probably my second favorite after Powerslave (just before Seventh Son at third). Really good album. The Legacy is one of their best songs IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 11, 2016, 06:15:23 AM
That's my favorite Maiden album of the reunion era. Not to mention it was the album that officially made me a fan and made me realize I've found my favorite band. It's that good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2016, 10:58:24 AM
Even though I probably enjoy TFF, AMOLAD is the standout album of the Reunion Era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 11, 2016, 12:13:15 PM
It's my #2, behind Piece of Mind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 11, 2016, 03:53:45 PM
It's my #2 behind The Final Frontier.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 11, 2016, 04:58:22 PM
My favorite by them, seeing it all live was amazing too!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nel on June 11, 2016, 07:00:17 PM
AMOLAD is up in my top 3 for Maiden. Not a skippable track on there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on June 11, 2016, 07:27:17 PM
AMOLAD is a masterpiece!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2016, 07:32:04 PM
AMOLAD is a masterpiece!

It really is!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 11, 2016, 08:09:21 PM
So after hearing Trivium do an acoustic cover of For the Greater Good of God, decided to hear the original version.  Holy cow, it's a good song.  I wish I could hear more from A Matter of Life and Death album, but for some reason, Spotify does not have it, so I don't listen to those songs frequently.  When I did hear it on youtube, I know I liked it well enough, but just not enough to recall all of the songs like I would with The Final Frontier or The Book of Souls.

You know, they make these things called CDs now. They're still in their infancy, but go ahead and give em a try.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on June 12, 2016, 04:15:11 AM
So after hearing Trivium do an acoustic cover of For the Greater Good of God, decided to hear the original version.  Holy cow, it's a good song.  I wish I could hear more from A Matter of Life and Death album, but for some reason, Spotify does not have it, so I don't listen to those songs frequently.  When I did hear it on youtube, I know I liked it well enough, but just not enough to recall all of the songs like I would with The Final Frontier or The Book of Souls.

You know, they make these things called CDs now. They're still in their infancy, but go ahead and give em a try.
:lol.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 12, 2016, 05:01:30 AM
So after hearing Trivium do an acoustic cover of For the Greater Good of God

Hmmm...sounds interesting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NotePad on June 13, 2016, 11:02:07 AM
Does anyone else feel that Book of Souls isn't THAT great? It's good, but not even close to the last few. I believe AMoLAD is Maiden's crowning achievement. BNW is right next to it. But BoS, to me, is just lacking something.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 13, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
Does anyone else feel that Book of Souls isn't THAT great? It's good, but not even close to the last few. I believe AMoLAD is Maiden's crowning achievement. BNW is right next to it. But BoS, to me, is just lacking something.

I agree with your sentiment on TBOS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 13, 2016, 11:39:01 AM
Same here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 13, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
Where's Dance of Death in all this?    I'd have to listen again, but the top three are DoD, TFF, and TBOS, with AMOLOD and BNW trailing.  Having said that, I love all five of the post reunion albums, so "Number Five" is really not a problem.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 13, 2016, 01:14:02 PM
Where's Dance of Death in all this?    I'd have to listen again, but the top three are DoD, TFF, and TBOS, with AMOLOD and BNW trailing.  Having said that, I love all five of the post reunion albums, so "Number Five" is really not a problem.

I actually equate TBOS with DoD. Some great top end tracks and the rest. I've liked each successive Reunion album more than the previous one, and the release of TBOS was the first time in the Reunion Era that that didn't happen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 13, 2016, 01:45:38 PM
It's too early for me to really say where TBOS will settle into my rankings, but I'm inclined to agree that it has some great stuff and some stuff that is good but not as great. It almost certainly does not beat the two before it, for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 13, 2016, 03:17:33 PM
I think y'all been posting some crazy comments.

1. BNW
2. TBOS

3. DOD
4. AMOLAD

5. TFF
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 13, 2016, 03:41:22 PM
Of the albums I have, I would put it at #8:

1.  The Final Frontier
2.  Piece of Mind
3.  A Matter of Life and Death
4.  Somewhere in Time
5.  Dance of Death
6.  The Number of the Beast
7.  Powerslave
8.  The Book of Souls
10.  Brave New World
11.  Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
12.  Killers
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 13, 2016, 03:48:44 PM
I see BoS as a huge step forward from the totally uninteresting TFF. That said, it's still a far cry from AMoLaD. I supposed I'd probably have them:

AMoLAD
TDoD
TBoD
BNW
TFF
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 05:22:50 PM
I see BoS as a huge step forward from the totally uninteresting TFF. That said, it's still a far cry from AMoLaD. I supposed I'd probably have them:

AMoLAD
TDoD
TBoD
BNW
TFF

Pretty much how I feel except swap BNW and DoD
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on June 13, 2016, 05:28:13 PM
TBoS
AMoLAD

BNW
DoD




TFF
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 13, 2016, 07:15:44 PM
TFF
AMOLAD
BNW
TBOS
DOD

Love, love, LOVE TFF. Can't see how it's uninteresting it all. That run of five epics, all great :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 13, 2016, 07:31:24 PM

Love, love, LOVE TFF. Can't see how it's uninteresting it all. That run of five epics, all great :hefdaddy

Yes!

I am willing to concede that AMOLAD is the Reunion Era's flagship masterpiece, but I find that I enjoy TFF a bit more.

TFF
AMOLAD
DOD

TBOS/BNW
 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 13, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
AMOLAD
TBOS
TFF
BNW
DOD

They are all awesome though, especially the top three. The run of epics in TFF is one of the coolest things they ever did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 14, 2016, 01:44:52 AM
BNW
AMOLAD
TBOS
DOD
TFF
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 14, 2016, 02:10:49 AM
as of now:

BNW
TFF
AMOLAD
TBOS
DOD

Though all of them are definitely worth listening and better than some of the pre-reunion stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on June 14, 2016, 02:37:05 AM
BNW
AMOLAD
DOD
TBOS
TFF

All of the reunion era albums are really solid! Especially Brave New World, which i think is one of the greatest comeback albums of all time.

Book of Souls is a mix of really great stuff (If Eternity Should Fail, title track, River Runs Deep), and stuff that completely missed the mark (Red&Black, Shadows of the Valley, Empire of the Clouds). Overall though, the good outweighs the bad.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: CharlesPL on June 14, 2016, 07:45:14 AM
BNW
DoD

TFF



AMOLAD

TBOS - Don't listen yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 14, 2016, 10:35:46 AM
I still haven't heard any Maiden albums from No Prayer - TFF. All this hype for AMOLAD has me real excited though. I'm getting to it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 14, 2016, 11:16:59 AM
You will not regret it. It's the definition of awesomeness.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 14, 2016, 11:18:18 AM
While you're at it, check out the other albums too :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 14, 2016, 09:54:59 PM
Does anyone else feel that Book of Souls isn't THAT great? It's good, but not even close to the last few. I believe AMoLAD is Maiden's crowning achievement. BNW is right next to it. But BoS, to me, is just lacking something.
It'a bit bloated and uneven at times, but I still think it's largely good. Easily better than DoD and either on par with or better than TFF, but it doesn't come close to touching BNW or aMoLaD.

My ranking:
AMOLAD
BNW
BoS
TFF

DoD
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 04:00:43 AM
Does anyone else feel that Book of Souls isn't THAT great? It's good, but not even close to the last few. I believe AMoLAD is Maiden's crowning achievement. BNW is right next to it. But BoS, to me, is just lacking something.
It'a bit bloated and uneven at times, but I still think it's largely good. Easily better than DoD and either on par with or better than TFF, but it doesn't come close to touching BNW or aMoLaD.

I think I'd agree with this. My initial excitement faded pretty quickly, and I find myself skipping quite a few songs when I listen to it now, unfortunately.  :sad:

Personally, I'd love them to do a concise, well-produced album which cuts out the unnecessary bloat (repetition, lengthy bass intros and outros, I'm thinking of in particular  ;)), and keeps the vocals to a range where Bruce doesn't sound like he's straining too much to reach the notes. Maybe forget about this raw, "live" sound for one album, but I can't really see it happening.

My only nitpick with AMOLAD is the "dry" sound of the vocals and lack of vocal harmonies, apart from that I think it's great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on June 15, 2016, 06:17:19 AM
Ranking the modern Maiden albums?

1. A Matter of Life and Death (no brainer, amazing all around, no lowpoints, some really strong tracks like The Legacy)
2. Brave New World (the one that showed us that Maiden were back in business, some really solid tunes like Wicker Man, some personal favorites like Nomad, Ghost of the Navigator and the title track)
3. Dance of Death (in my opinion a really underrated album, and I would put both Dance of Death and Paschendale in my top 10 Maiden songs without hesitation. Overall really good)
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4. Book of Souls (Overall a very admirable album with some great songs on it, suffers a bit from length and I wasn't HUGE on the production, but overall a good release)
5. The Final Frontier (For me a lackluster first half is compensated greatly by a great second half. Gems like Isle of Avalon and Starblind are both amazing, but the album takes a long time to get going)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 15, 2016, 08:27:50 AM
1. A Matter of life and death
2. Dance of death
3. The Book of souls
4. The Final frontier
5. Brave new world

Here's the twist - they're all great.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 15, 2016, 10:20:33 AM
1. A Matter of life and death
2. Dance of death
3. The Book of souls
4. The Final frontier
5. Brave new world

Here's the twist - they're all great.  :metal

That would be my ranking as well.

It's still hard for me to listen to The Wickerman and not hear "Thy Will Be Done" in the chorus. I first heard the single  version of the song and feel those lyrics really added to the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 15, 2016, 11:36:04 AM
It's still hard for me to listen to The Wickerman and not hear "Thy Will Be Done" in the chorus. I first heard the single  version of the song and feel those lyrics really added to the song.

Wow, I didn't know that existed. It's WAY better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2016, 11:40:17 AM
I find The Wicker Man extremely average. I love the musical part but that's it. I think it's way overrated IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 15, 2016, 01:18:09 PM
I like The Wicker Man, but I don't have a love affair with it. It's in the bottom half of BNW for me, which isn't exactly bad because it's BNW, but not great.

Controversial opinion that is at the same time unsurprising because it's me: Satellite 15... The Final Frontier is the best reunion-era opener.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Train of Naught on June 15, 2016, 01:20:42 PM
The Wicker Man is okay I guess, Nic Cage is the saving grace, if not for him it wouldve been terrible
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 15, 2016, 01:26:59 PM
The Wicker Man is okay I guess, Nic Cage is the saving grace, if not for him it wouldve been terrible
God, they made remake? :o There is 0 chance remake of anything will be as good as original and they still make it. And throw Nic Cage in it. Everything for the $$$ :angry:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: aurorablind on June 16, 2016, 04:04:09 AM
Saw Maiden live at Telenor Arena in Oslo yesterday.
The band was on fire and the set worked really well. The biggest issue was the venue. It's a terrible arena for large rock shows. The large metal ceiling makes the ambience unbearable at times. I could hear Bruces vocals coming out of the front speakers, and a second later the voice was thrown back from the back of the arena. We sat in the middle/back section of the venue, and the sound was just a large pile of mess for the most of the show. Such a shame, because the show was amazing  :sad:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on June 16, 2016, 04:15:59 AM
I don't think it's one of the best songs on Brave New World, but if we're comparing Wicker Man with the other openers of the modern albums, it's definitely one of the best. As a Maiden "hit", it does it's job, has a catchy chorus and is overall a solid tune. I guess the problem with Brave New World for me is that it suffers from the Angel & the Gambler syndrome. Some of the songs at least. Sections/choruses are repeated so much that it eventually gets annoying. The songs that suffer the most from this IMO would be Blood Brothers, The Mercenary and Dream of Mirrors. But the album has some really underrated gems like Ghost of the Navigator, The Nomad and The Thin Line Between Love and Hate, as well as a fan favorite (I guess) that lives up to the hype, in the title track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: home on June 16, 2016, 05:19:08 AM
Sections/choruses are repeated so much that it eventually gets annoying.

The whole album "suffers" from this I think, the title track being the main example

"A brave new world, in a brave new world" x 1000
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 16, 2016, 05:22:03 AM
Sections/choruses are repeated so much that it eventually gets annoying.

The whole album "suffers" from this I think, the title track being the main example

"A brave new world, in a brave new world" x 1000
Yeah but for some reason repetition in The Mercenary doesn't bother me at all. In BNW, well, it does.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 16, 2016, 05:55:17 AM
Bought myself last minute tickets for tomorrows show in Gothenburg. With all the good reviews i've seen I just couldn't see myself miss them this time around. Too bad the weather might not be the best tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 16, 2016, 06:20:57 AM
I like The Wicker Man, but I don't have a love affair with it. It's in the bottom half of BNW for me, which isn't exactly bad because it's BNW, but not great.

Controversial opinion that is at the same time unsurprising because it's me: Satellite 15... The Final Frontier is the best reunion-era opener.

I was actually shocked to find out many people didn't like it.  I was completely floored by that intro!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 16, 2016, 06:39:19 AM
I really like Satellite 15, it's so different from anything they've done and it opens the albums nicely. Certainly not a classic but better than others.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on June 16, 2016, 06:45:57 AM
Satellite 15 would have been fine if it was it's own song and i had the option to skip it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 16, 2016, 07:58:37 AM
Satellite 15 would have been fine if it was it's own song and i had the option to skip it.

I agree. It's fine, but I nearly always skip forward now when listening to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 16, 2016, 08:15:03 AM
I dislike Satellite 15, I wish I could skip it.  Not a terrible intro or anything... just don't want to listen to it everytime I want to listen to the TFF song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on June 16, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
I read in a interview that Satellite 15 is a demo from Adrian where they just added Bruce's voice on it. I think that the song is a really cool idea, but it should be recorded by the band and without that very annoying eletronic drum sound, specially the double bass drum part.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 16, 2016, 01:10:10 PM
I read in a interview that Satellite 15 is a demo from Adrian where they just added Bruce's voice on it. I think that the song is a really cool idea, but it should be recorded by the band and without that very annoying eletronic drum sound, specially the double bass drum part.

Yup, it's pretty much an Adrian solo song with some Bruce added ontop of it.  I wish it were more of a band effort as well, especially since it's not it's own track on the album.  If it's not the band and going to be more like intro music (which is what it feels like) then it should be it's own track so we don't have to listen to it to hear the first "band" track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 18, 2016, 05:06:27 AM
Saw them last night and it was pretty epic. The band was on fire and not only Bruce but everyone in the band was giving their everything on stage. I can't praise them enough on that alone given their age, it's just amazing to see.

Setlist was great, they did more songs from the recent album than I thought which was nice. The audience wasn't that into them unfortunately.

The most epic moment was before they played Blood Brothers, Bruce stopped talking and he stood still and let the audience loose and cheer for themself and they went completly nuts, the band just stood there for 5-10 minutes silently, that was so epic. Bruce looked genuinely moved and almost tearful.

The big letdown for the evening was the sound, it was flat out bad. The guitars was a mess and Bruces vocals disappeared from time to time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 18, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
I don't think it's one of the best songs on Brave New World, but if we're comparing Wicker Man with the other openers of the modern albums, it's definitely one of the best. As a Maiden "hit", it does it's job, has a catchy chorus and is overall a solid tune. I guess the problem with Brave New World for me is that it suffers from the Angel & the Gambler syndrome. Some of the songs at least. Sections/choruses are repeated so much that it eventually gets annoying. The songs that suffer the most from this IMO would be Blood Brothers, The Mercenary and Dream of Mirrors. But the album has some really underrated gems like Ghost of the Navigator, The Nomad and The Thin Line Between Love and Hate, as well as a fan favorite (I guess) that lives up to the hype, in the title track.

Agreed. Those last 3 songs you mentioned before the title track are my 3 faves as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 18, 2016, 10:09:22 AM
I read in a interview that Satellite 15 is a demo from Adrian where they just added Bruce's voice on it. I think that the song is a really cool idea, but it should be recorded by the band and without that very annoying eletronic drum sound, specially the double bass drum part.

I think they kept the demo specifically because it sounded very spacey. I like that about it. I don't think it would be the same if it was a full-band track.



I like The Wicker Man, but I don't have a love affair with it. It's in the bottom half of BNW for me, which isn't exactly bad because it's BNW, but not great.

Controversial opinion that is at the same time unsurprising because it's me: Satellite 15... The Final Frontier is the best reunion-era opener.

I was actually shocked to find out many people didn't like it.  I was completely floored by that intro!

:tup Same! I think it's one of the more emotional pieces Iron Maiden has done, too, with those lyrics. "Not much time... Hear my call... Please get through... I am heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrreeeeeeeee..."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 19, 2016, 01:55:21 AM
The most epic moment was before they played Blood Brothers, Bruce stopped talking and he stood still and let the audience loose and cheer for themself and they went completly nuts, the band just stood there for 5-10 minutes silently, that was so epic. Bruce looked genuinely moved and almost tearful.
I found this on youtube and was blown away. Well done, Sweden.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 19, 2016, 06:57:31 AM
The most epic moment was before they played Blood Brothers, Bruce stopped talking and he stood still and let the audience loose and cheer for themself and they went completly nuts, the band just stood there for 5-10 minutes silently, that was so epic. Bruce looked genuinely moved and almost tearful.
I found this on youtube and was blown away. Well done, Sweden.  :hefdaddy
Yea it was epic. I sat pretty far back on the left side and all I could hear was my section screaming which was pretty loud, standing on stage hearing all the sections together must have been amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2016, 10:08:20 AM
If that's the Ullevi show, it's on Dime.



AS far as S-15 goes, I was blown away the first time I heard it. Totally original for Maiden. My issue is that it should be it's own track, and as much as I do like TFF (the song), I feel that after the heart racing intro of S-15, I expected it to lead into a ripper of a song, not a mid tempo one like TFF. I felt when TFF started, it let out all of the air out of S-15's balloon.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 19, 2016, 11:46:43 AM

The big letdown for the evening was the sound, it was flat out bad. The guitars was a mess and Bruces vocals disappeared from time to time.
Three guitarists frequently muddy up their sound. Seen that plenty of times. However I bet it was the wind that caused your problems. It's remarkable how quickly an entire section of the sound can disappear. Somebody's playing a guitar solo and it suddenly goes silent for a couple of seconds like the power was turned off, then it comes back just as quickly. While I'd dig the shit out of seeing Maiden play a stadium in the rain, I'd be expecting significant dropouts from time to time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 19, 2016, 06:14:09 PM

The big letdown for the evening was the sound, it was flat out bad. The guitars was a mess and Bruces vocals disappeared from time to time.
Three guitarists frequently muddy up their sound. Seen that plenty of times. However I bet it was the wind that caused your problems. It's remarkable how quickly an entire section of the sound can disappear. Somebody's playing a guitar solo and it suddenly goes silent for a couple of seconds like the power was turned off, then it comes back just as quickly. While I'd dig the shit out of seeing Maiden play a stadium in the rain, I'd be expecting significant dropouts from time to time.
That's actually a reasonable explanation and probably what happened. I sat pretty far back and above to the right from the stage and it was a bit windy up there. I assume that on the floor in the middle the sound probably was better because of less wind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 19, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
AS far as S-15 goes, I was blown away the first time I heard it. Totally original for Maiden. My issue is that it should be it's own track, and as much as I do like TFF (the song), I feel that after the heart racing intro of S-15, I expected it to lead into a ripper of a song, not a mid tempo one like TFF. I felt when TFF started, it let out all of the air out of S-15's balloon.

I tend to agree with this. I do like The Final Frontier, and I think it's a fine follow-up to S15, but I definitely think S15 is easily the better part of the song. Maybe if The Final Frontier was played at a bit of a faster tempo. It works a little better in En Vivo when they speed it up a bit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: efx on June 20, 2016, 07:12:19 AM
Yeah, I was at that Sweden show as well. I've seen them a billion times including many times at that stadium and that moment was nothing like I had ever seen from them before. Genuinely moving. And the best part was bringing my wife to her first Maiden show. Being there with a friend, her and my dad and experiencing what happened was one of the best times I've ever had at a concert.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:32:25 AM

The big letdown for the evening was the sound, it was flat out bad. The guitars was a mess and Bruces vocals disappeared from time to time.
Three guitarists frequently muddy up their sound. Seen that plenty of times. However I bet it was the wind that caused your problems. It's remarkable how quickly an entire section of the sound can disappear. Somebody's playing a guitar solo and it suddenly goes silent for a couple of seconds like the power was turned off, then it comes back just as quickly. While I'd dig the shit out of seeing Maiden play a stadium in the rain, I'd be expecting significant dropouts from time to time.

I think their sound has been complained about throughout the tour.  Im sure the wind only made it worse, but they could use a new sound engineer for touring.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 20, 2016, 08:10:25 AM
Pretty epic!  :metal

Iron Maiden - Crowd Chant/Blood Brothers at Ullevi, Sweden 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4nQSAmdqk0)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 20, 2016, 08:18:08 AM
Pretty epic!  :metal

Iron Maiden - Crowd Chant/Blood Brothers at Ullevi, Sweden 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4nQSAmdqk0)

Yeah, a friend of mine (our guitarist) was there and he says that was the highlight of the show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2016, 04:24:13 PM
For you Dime-ers, a couple of Must Haves!

Tokyo- 4-20-16 2 Cam Mix DVD with Inner Ear Monitor mix for audio
https://-ww.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=565517

And the Audio only:
https://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=565299
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 28, 2016, 12:40:05 PM
Finally saw Iron Maiden as well, last Friday in Milan!!!  :metal

Excellent performance and one of their best concerts I've seen, it was my 12th! it's hard to make a proper list since their performances are always top notch, but this was absolutely a blast! I liked the stage set, the backdrops and as predictable Eddie was - both the walking one and the big one during Iron Maiden - they were very cool.

And Bruce... which, for the record, is ultimate hero and idol... after what he went through I was ready to forgive him anything; well, he SLAYED. Impressive performance, and again one of the best I've heard from him. The man gets sick, and becomes stronger in the process!!!!  :hefdaddy Dio and Lemmy please leave him here until he's 130 or something and hold on jamming with him 'cause we need men like him on the planet.

I loved also the setlist. Iron Maiden has so many unwritten rules about their setlists that I suspect they actually are written, but this time around they really became creative. Digging up a non regular old song like Children of the Damned? not using a single, but a centerpiece of an album (Powerslave) that was the kind of song that was always played only in its proper tour? closing the show with a song that's not Run to the Hills, Running Free or Sanctuary, or even Hallowed as in recent years? for the kind of setlists Maiden always had, this is some Mike Portnoy level of changing it up.

I was with my cousin, finally her debut with Iron Maiden live, so jokingly I was taunting her about being bored and annoyed at the inevitable moment Fear of the Dark would start, while of course she was dying to finally hear it. It's not that I dislike the song, I still enjoy it live, but I wouldn't mind some skipping and especially I still disapprove of the inclusion during the history tours. Actually the thing I enjoy the most about Fear of the Dark live is the slow intro, the expectation for whatever Bruce says before letting the audience sing (I love the variations), and then I immediately lose interest  ;D

Oh, and honorable mention for what I dubbed "the summer dance", Bruce's "climb like a monkey" antics  :lol :rollin I spent the subway ride back home doing it along with another friend, it's hilarous how Bruce took a lyric that some people found questionable and maybe "not metal" (but it was a direct quote from the Red Baron) and made it the centerpiece of the live version of the song, making a fool of himself with that monkey hat. Absolutely genius move, not every frontman would be willing to have such a wacky moment. Long live the monkey climb!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 28, 2016, 01:09:15 PM
Awesome  :metal

Although Powerslave has been played on a couple tours since the original album tour.  However, I was shocked to see them play it, but it actually fits the theme of the concert and they used a South American pyramid for it's backdrop which was really cool.  Children of the Damned also got it's play in a bunch of tours so it's not a total random live spot.  I was more shocked when they played Afraid to Shoot Strangers on the previous tour.  Either way, IM doing anything besides the typical songs is  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 28, 2016, 01:46:08 PM
Yeah, Powerslave was played again in the Somewhere Back in Time tour because it was a re-edition of the World Slavery Tour, and in 1999 during the Ed Hunter reunion tour, but that was it. I've already seen Children of the Damned back in 2007, but aside special occasions, when it comes to regular album tours it's always title track / Halloweed / Run to the Hills for TNOB.

Being third in the set, Children of the Damned was the first old song they played, and while Eternity and Speed were well received, the reaction paled in comparison to the HUGE singalong near the end, before the final section starts; when the song ended, I told my cousin "See? this is what Iron Maiden live is about"  :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 28, 2016, 01:58:56 PM
Honestly surprised it didnt get a huge reception in NYC.  Granted, the crowd sucked at NYC IMO, but that's typical.  I felt like the only one who was singing in my section (along with my friend).  Bruce actually yelled at someone at my show during Powerslave during the slow break down when everyone typically claps, I'd have to go back to my video but he says something along the lines of "Is clapping your hands a fucking problem?!" specifically to someone.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 28, 2016, 02:53:26 PM
Great writeup MirrorMask, the concert was indeed amazing when I saw them too.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 28, 2016, 03:08:11 PM
Honestly surprised it didnt get a huge reception in NYC.  Granted, the crowd sucked at NYC IMO, but that's typical.  I felt like the only one who was singing in my section (along with my friend).  Bruce actually yelled at someone at my show during Powerslave during the slow break down when everyone typically claps, I'd have to go back to my video but he says something along the lines of "Is clapping your hands a fucking problem?!" specifically to someone.

Pfh at the crowd, we even did the "waltz clap" (clap, clap - pause, clap, clap - pause) in the middle part of Blood Brothers without even a cue from Bruce, and I guess it was the most "obscure" song of the show!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 28, 2016, 03:11:47 PM
When I saw them, it was like 80% of the crowd had to no idea what Blood Brothers was, so bizarre to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Imaginos on July 28, 2016, 06:21:09 PM
I was more shocked when they played Afraid to Shoot Strangers on the previous tour.  Either way, IM doing anything besides the typical songs is  :tup

Afraid to Shoot Strangers was so good live. I wasn't a big fan of the song before the concert, and I didn't look at setlists or anything prior to the show, so they really blew me away when they pulled that one out. As soon as I got back to the car after the show I played that song, and now it's one of my favorite maiden songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 29, 2016, 02:42:30 AM
The only bad thing about hearing Afraid again was that it was a blatant stand-in for Infinite Dreams. It was so obvious that at that point of the set there should have been a slower song, and it was gutting to not hear one of their best songs.

I remember seeing a photo of a setlist programme near the mix desk, there was the regular setlist and at the end there were Infinite Dreams and Hallowed Be Thy Name. So they even rehearsed Infinite Dreams, but something made them decide to not play it.... damn!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on July 29, 2016, 06:23:51 AM
Damn, I was hoping a bigger US tour was announced. Still waiting...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2016, 06:33:57 AM
I was more shocked when they played Afraid to Shoot Strangers on the previous tour.  Either way, IM doing anything besides the typical songs is  :tup

Afraid to Shoot Strangers was so good live. I wasn't a big fan of the song before the concert, and I didn't look at setlists or anything prior to the show, so they really blew me away when they pulled that one out. As soon as I got back to the car after the show I played that song, and now it's one of my favorite maiden songs.

Same here, totally shocked to see that also since it wasn't really part of that timeframe.

The only bad thing about hearing Afraid again was that it was a blatant stand-in for Infinite Dreams. It was so obvious that at that point of the set there should have been a slower song, and it was gutting to not hear one of their best songs.

I remember seeing a photo of a setlist programme near the mix desk, there was the regular setlist and at the end there were Infinite Dreams and Hallowed Be Thy Name. So they even rehearsed Infinite Dreams, but something made them decide to not play it.... damn!

And at the same time I totally expected them to not play this one.  This is the first time hearing that they rehearsed it though.  That makes it even more sad.

Damn, I was hoping a bigger US tour was announced. Still waiting...

I'm not expecting it.  Would love to see the show again though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 30, 2016, 10:53:15 AM
Arte Concert will livestream Maidens tour finale at Wacken aug 4th.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 30, 2016, 11:18:57 AM
I need not to forget to stay home that night.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2016, 08:29:15 PM
Awesome, the time difference though means I might be watching from work
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NotePad on August 01, 2016, 10:10:11 AM
My favorite albums are all the reunion era albums. With Brave New World they really mastered their art. TXF and VXI were working towards what they're doing now. Unfortunately, TBoS is actually my least favorite of the newer albums. Both BNW and AMoLAD after Maiden's crowning achievements.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 04, 2016, 07:03:52 AM
https://youtu.be/YzduoBPDRMk

^ Hillbilly cover of Aces High by Steve n Seagulls. It's surprisingly good!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2016, 01:22:45 PM
https://static-cdn.arte.tv/static/wacken2016/de.html (https://static-cdn.arte.tv/static/wacken2016/de.html)

Iron Maiden are about to take the stage, the link is for the live stream at Wacken.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 04, 2016, 02:24:32 PM
All right, I'm not sure what the mask that Bruce is wearing, during Powerslave, is supposed to represent, but, to me, he looks like a Lucha Libre wrestler.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
All right, I'm not sure what the mask that Bruce is wearing, during Powerslave, is supposed to represent, but, to me, he looks like a Lucha Libre wrestler.

 :lol Im watching it in my office with my coworker who has never listened to IM before and he said the exact same thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 04, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
...climb like a monkey :metal :lol
damn why I missed them a week ago :( I'm screaming with Bruce in my room
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 04, 2016, 03:39:39 PM
...climb like a monkey :metal :lol

As far as I'm concerned, that's the dance of summer, it was glorious to see the whole Wacken doing it bwhahahaha!!!!  :lol

What an epic concert, it felt good to relive the memories of my own I attended two weeks ago. Long live the mighty Maiden! and let's hope for another chance to see them next year, since Bruce talked about germans and UK shows it's likely they will play Europe again and possibly Italy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Imaginos on August 04, 2016, 03:46:03 PM
I also thought the powerslave mask looked like a Mexican wrestler mask. Not sure what Bruce was going for with that. The climb like a monkey dance is legendary. The random Nicko speech at the end was nice as well. "Merry Christmas"  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2016, 06:41:59 PM
What an epic concert, it felt good to relive the memories of my own I attended two weeks ago. Long live the mighty Maiden! and let's hope for another chance to see them next year, since Bruce talked about germans and UK shows it's likely they will play Europe again and possibly Italy.

I stopped watching halfway through since I had to get some work done before leaving, but it was really awesome to see again since seeing it myself 4 months ago.  And of course I would love for them to come back to the US.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: adace on August 06, 2016, 11:40:59 PM
Just watched the broadcast and it was fantastic :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: home on August 07, 2016, 01:52:07 PM
I was at the festival, it was great indeed  :hefdaddy I keep being amazed by the energy they still have. Seeing all the people around you enjoying the show so much is just great too.

...climb like a monkey :metal :lol

As far as I'm concerned, that's the dance of summer, it was glorious to see the whole Wacken doing it bwhahahaha!!!!  :lol


That was a great moment  :lol Someone started a mosh pit were stood during that song, but even in the mosh pit we were doing the monkey dance   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 17, 2016, 11:38:01 AM
Anyway, 10 years later the release of A Matter of Life and Death.... just a most probably unanswered question..

The hell was all that Benjamin Breeg stuff about?

The idea was even clever, to have a fake character updating info about the research for his lost... cousin? or it was brother? and there were hints on the website to details that were mirroring Iron Maiden's carrer, but nothing really came out of it. Was it ever revealed who actully Benjaming Breeg was, and therefore what his reincarnation was about? it was a viral campaign that was basically left there, like the Publius Enigma with Pink Floyd.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 17, 2016, 11:40:32 AM
Anyway, 10 years later the release of A Matter of Life and Death.... just a most probably unanswered question..

The hell was all that Benjamin Breeg stuff about?

The idea was even clever, to have a fake character updating info about the research for his lost... cousin? or it was brother? and there were hints on the website to details that were mirroring Iron Maiden's carrer, but nothing really came out of it. Was it ever revealed who actully Benjaming Breeg was, and therefore what his reincarnation was about? it was a viral campaign that was basically left there, like the Publius Enigma with Pink Floyd.

Good question, I forgot about this
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on September 23, 2016, 03:41:43 AM
Iron Maiden continue The Book Of Souls World Tour into 2017 with a 16 date European Tour and the first UK Tour since 2011.

APR 22 BELGIUM ANTWERP SPORTPALEIS
APR 24 GERMANY OBERHAUSEN KÖNIG-PILSENER-ARENA
APR 28 GERMANY FRANKFURT FESTHALLE
MAY 02 GERMANY HAMBURG BARCLAYCARD ARENA
MAY 04 ENGLAND NOTTINGHAM MOTORPOINT ARENA
MAY 06 IRELAND DUBLIN 3ARENA
MAY 08 ENGLAND MANCHESTER ARENA
MAY 10 ENGLAND SHEFFIELD ARENA
MAY 11 ENGLAND LEEDS FIRST DIRECT ARENA
MAY 14 ENGLAND NEWCASTLE METRO RADIO ARENA
MAY 16 SCOTLAND GLASGOW SSE HYDRO ARENA
MAY 17 SCOTLAND ABERDEEN AECC GE OIL & GAS ARENA
MAY 20 ENGLAND LIVERPOOL ECHO ARENA
MAY 21 ENGLAND BIRMINGHAM BARCLAYCARD ARENA
MAY 24 WALES CARDIFF MOTORPOINT ARENA
MAY 27 ENGLAND LONDON O2 ARENA

Tickets go on-sale Friday 30th September at 9am.

Fan Club pre-sale starts Monday.

Special guests on all the shows will be Shinedown.

:metal About time! Hopefully I finally get to see them live now :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 23, 2016, 04:13:18 AM
They need to announce an East coast US tour  :'(

And by east coast tour, I mean come to Philadelphia. Somehow that was missed as they hit florida and New york, but not anything in the middle  :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 23, 2016, 04:24:04 AM

MAY 06 IRELAND DUBLIN 3ARENA


Excellent! It's a Saturday too!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 23, 2016, 04:53:13 AM
No more european dates after that, as stated on their website. Damn! wouldn't have minded a second go at this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 23, 2016, 05:21:26 AM
Do you think they will continue with "The History of Iron Maiden – Part 4" and it's coexisting tour? I would enjoy a 90s tour for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 23, 2016, 05:45:29 AM
Do you think they will continue with "The History of Iron Maiden – Part 4" and it's coexisting tour? I would enjoy a 90s tour for sure.

You, certainly me and then... who else? 10 or 20 people? the History DVD is probably a given, but I can't see them selling a tour that will revolved around Bring your Daughter to the Slaughter, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, Man on the Edge and The Clansman.

Also, they said they were done with history tours.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 23, 2016, 05:48:45 AM
Yea it's a bit dry on the hit tunes list for the 90s era that's for sure.  :lol Then again since were talking Maiden their setlist is usually 90-95% the same songs they played on the last tour and the previous one with 2-4 new ones so no big diffrence anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on September 23, 2016, 07:06:30 AM
A 90´s tour would be awesome!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2016, 07:21:44 AM
Do you think they will continue with "The History of Iron Maiden – Part 4" and it's coexisting tour? I would enjoy a 90s tour for sure.

I very much doubt it.  The 90s were not a kind era to IM.  I would love to see them do Blaze songs, but since they included Afraid to Shoot Strangers on the last history tour, that to me, was a sign that they likely weren't going to do a dedicated 90s tour. 

On another note, I do hope they come back to the states because I'd love to see them again.  Hell, maybe a Euro trip next year to catch them could be a possibility.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on September 23, 2016, 08:22:00 AM
I think it's more likely they integrate some 90s songs into whatever their current tour is when that DVD comes out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on September 23, 2016, 11:32:05 AM
I just want to see them at least one more time before they hang it up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 23, 2016, 12:54:52 PM
A 90's tour, NOOO!  A post 2000 tour, YESSS!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
A 90's tour, NOOO!  A post 2000 tour, YESSS!!!

We practically got that in the US for TFF tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 23, 2016, 02:30:20 PM
My ideal tour is 60% percent 80's and 40% 2000's onward. It wouldn't bother me a bit if they left out the 90's material
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2016, 02:46:13 PM
My ideal tour is 60% percent 80's and 40% 2000's onward TFF. It wouldn't bother me a bit if they left out the 90's material

FTFM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2016, 02:47:40 PM
My ideal tour is 60% percent 80's and 40% 2000's onward. It wouldn't bother me a bit if they left out the 90's material

My ideal tour is them playing songs they haven't played before.  I don't care to see any of the classics anymore besides HBTN.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 23, 2016, 02:58:21 PM
My ideal tour is TFF played in its entirety, the last three songs on AMOLAD, Iron Maiden and Hallowed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on September 24, 2016, 11:27:58 AM
Id love to see a 90s tour. Man on the edge, sign of the cross, Judgement of heaven, 2AM, educated fool, clansman, Como Estais Amigos.

Though I know not everyone loves the blaze era as much as I do lol.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 25, 2016, 04:35:15 AM
Id love to see a 90s tour. Man on the edge, sign of the cross, Judgement of heaven, 2AM, educated fool, clansman, Como Estais Amigos.

Though I know not everyone loves the blaze era as much as I do lol.

Quoted this just to back you up.

A 90's tour would be interesting but would never happen.  It sure would be interesting to see what the band's setlist would be for it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 25, 2016, 07:07:47 AM
I'm actually leaning towards a tour based on the famous Rock In Rio show, which will have its 15th anniversary or so. A lot of people consider Brave new world a classic, and so does the band, so it might as well get a tour. The set list will also feature The Clansman and maybe even Sign of the cross. Calling it now.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on September 25, 2016, 10:40:21 AM
I don't think Maiden will ever touch the Blaze era again.

I like the X Factor a lot, Virtual XI is solid but ruined by a lifeless performance (particularly from Nicko and Blaze) and some lazy songwriting choices.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on September 25, 2016, 03:30:38 PM
I don't think Maiden will ever touch the Blaze era again.

I like the X Factor a lot, Virtual XI is solid but ruined by a lifeless performance (particularly from Nicko and Blaze) and some lazy songwriting choices.

I think that was due to the production. I love Both X factor and Virtual XI but blaze sounded kinda flat on both though more so on Virtual XI. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 26, 2016, 03:55:32 AM
All these talks about setlists made me think about the history tour, which were beyond awesome but could have been more representive of their specific eras.

The way I understood it is that the Somewhere Back in Time tour was a celebration of the '80s, then it became so insanely successful that, aside from doubling the tour the year after, they realized how huge the Maiden England tour would be.

With some more pre-planning, the tours could have been more diversified, here's what happened and some realistic changes I offer..


THE EARLY DAYS TOUR, ACTUAL SETLIST:

The Ides of March
Murders in the Rue Morgue
Another Life
Prowler
The Trooper
Remember Tomorrow
Where Eagles Dare
Revelations
Run to the Hills
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Phantom of the Opera
The Number of the Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden
=================
Running Free
Drifter
Sanctuary


No real complaints here. Early days it was, early days it has been. Sure, every song off the first four album bar 2-3 tops (Quest for Fire, I'm looking at you) deserve to be played and we could discuss at lenght about which songs are missing, but this is an excellent compromise. Killers is the most glaring omission here but with foresight it could have been spared for the Maiden England tour.




SOMEWHERE BACK IN TIME TOUR, ACTUAL SETLIST:

Aces High
2 Minutes to Midnight
Revelations
The Trooper
Wasted Years
The Number of the Beast
Can I Play With Madness
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Powerslave
Heaven Can Wait
Run to the Hills
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden
=============
Moonchild
The Clairvoyant
Hallowed Be Thy Name


Well, for starters this is a massively awesome setlist, one of the best concerts I've ever seen and a dream come true for any Maiden fan. Still, the foresight for Maiden England could have left some more room for extra cuts, and I still remember being so ready for Hallowed when I was hearing near the end of the set four slow counts, and then FOTD started. The hell Fear of the Dark is doing here? shoo, shoo, away! let people miss it and then enjoy it more next time around.

Here's my suggestion for a still '80s oriented set, but more focused on the early part of it:

Aces High
2 Minutes to Midnight
Revelations
The Trooper
22 Acacia Avenue
Flight of Icarus
Can I Play With Madness
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Powerslave
Heaven Can Wait
Run to the Hills
Phantom of the Opera
Iron Maiden
=============
The Number of the Beast
Wrathchild
Hallowed Be Thy Name


SIT and Seventh Son get a song each, Acacia and Flight who were missing on the Early Days tour and were played in the World Slavery tour came back, and replacing Moonchild made me go back to Number of the Beast as the usual encore opener. Wrathchild is there to honor Killers, so that every album up until Seventh Son is honored, and screw Fear of the Dark.


****NOTE: There's been a second leg of the SIT tour with more changes, but since I'm doing revision history, it makes little sense to offer an alternative setlist of what is already an alternative setlist (Children of the Damned was brought back, and also Phantom that I included here in place of Fear of the Dark for example).




MAIDEN ENGLAND TOUR, ACTUAL SETLIST:

Moonchild
Can I Play With Madness
The Prisoner
2 Minutes to Midnight
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
The Trooper
The Number of the Beast
Phantom of the Opera
Run to the Hills
Wasted Years
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
The Clairvoyant
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden
==================
Aces High
The Evil That Men Do
Running Free



Knowing that some songs were saved last time around, this was the occasion to go full throttle on the latter part of the '80s, so here's my suggestion, one is very obvious:


Moonchild
Can I Play With Madness
The Prisoner
2 Minutes to Midnight
Infinite Dreams
The Trooper
The Number of the Beast
Killers
Run to the Hills
Wasted Years
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
The Clairvoyant
Heaven Can Wait
Iron Maiden
==================
Aces High
The Evil That Men Do
Running Free


Infinite Dreams takes his intended place in the set, Killers finds a way in, and screw Fear of the Dark again. An alternative would be to sack 23:58 for Killers, rather than Phantom, but both got ice-themed backdrops so it was a pity to renounce both of them. This way more of the original setlist is honored, and I guess we could go really hardcore and replace The Trooper with Still Life since we're at it.

Also next year the setlist was changed slightly, that was maybe the occasion to make the final "nostalgic" tour more comprehensive of the '80s and maybe, just maybe, sneak in Fear of the Dark, but even though these tours were some of the best concerts I've ever seen, they could have dared with the set just a little more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 26, 2016, 06:50:01 AM
Great write up!

I just remembered how awesome opener Moonchild was, never been so into it but for some reason the song grew alot live for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 26, 2016, 07:25:00 AM
Having Moonchild as encore opener also gave us a wonderful live intro of the song, starting with the acoustic guitar. I've enjoyed it greatly in both ways!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2016, 07:52:53 AM
Having Moonchild as encore opener also gave us a wonderful live intro of the song, starting with the acoustic guitar. I've enjoyed it greatly in both ways!

Yea I was going to add that Moonchild as the encore with the actual live intro was something special.  That was truly a surprise when they did that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on September 26, 2016, 11:50:55 AM
Re history tours: The best setlist of them all was The Early Days. I vividly remember going to the show not knowing anything about the setlist except that they were only doing stuff from the first four albums. When the Ides of March intro tape started I naturally assumed Wrathchild would follow, I was floored when they went into Murders. That was a song I really didn't expect. Lots of other surprises in the setlist too like Another Life and Where Eagles Dare.

The other two were good but there were a lot of missed opportunities. SBIT was the one that fell the most short IMO. It was a very predictable setlist (with the exception of Moonchild which was indeed very cool as an encore) when they could've done something really unexpected. They could've brought back Losfer Words or really taken advantage of the three guitar lineup by playing Flash Of the Blade for the first time. I wasn't a huge fan of them doing stuff post Powerslave but since they did that would've been the prime opportunity to do something from SIT other than Wasted Years and Heaven Can Wait. I can see Bruce really nailing songs like Sea of Madness today.

Maiden England was much better but I was bummed they didn't do Infinite Dreams or Still Life. Other than that I thought the setlist was solid. Afraid To Shoot Strangers was an awesome and unexpected addition. I agree with whoever said that including it was a sign that they're not going to do a 90s centered tour.

I don't think Maiden will ever touch the Blaze era again.

I like the X Factor a lot, Virtual XI is solid but ruined by a lifeless performance (particularly from Nicko and Blaze) and some lazy songwriting choices.

I think that was due to the production. I love Both X factor and Virtual XI but blaze sounded kinda flat on both though more so on Virtual XI.
Production really highlights it, but the performances still aren't good. Blaze sounds flat on so many songs and there are moments that could've been really powerful emotionally but he just sounds bored. Nicko only seems there to keep the beat.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 26, 2016, 12:23:16 PM
For many of us, they already did the post-2k tour when DT opened. I can't see them doing that again (though I really loved it). If there's an interim tour between now and another album it'll be a greatest hits covering everything. Then there's always the increasingly likely farewell tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
For many of us, they already did the post-2k tour when DT opened. I can't see them doing that again (though I really loved it). If there's an interim tour between now and another album it'll be a greatest hits covering everything. Then there's always the increasingly likely farewell tour.

I kind of feel like those two tours will be one of the same.  Im guessing they won't do another tour (besides more of the current tour) unless it's for a new album or farewell tour (greatest hits).  While some of us would enjoy a 90s tour, I don't think the band really cares for that and given they hit up all the rest of the historical tours worthy of doing and their age, I just feel like it won't happen.   I would really hope to be wrong though, I would love to see them time and time again on tour, but I feel that isn't realistic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on September 26, 2016, 12:41:44 PM
I don't see them doing an official farewell tour. I expect it to be a similar situation to Rush where it becomes obvious as the tour progresses that this is going to be the last, when they realize they can't physically do it anymore.

My prediction is that they'll do another album and tour, then a greatest hits tour that will probably be the last. The current tour could very well be their last large scale excursion though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 26, 2016, 01:39:15 PM
I missed the almost-all-reunion tour and I still regret it! I would have loved a full on set based on the most recent material, last tour's setlist was very good but I'm a bit sad that only Blood Brothers represented the reunion albums.

About the future, I assume nothing will happen in 2017 aside from the short european tour (but never say never concerning other markets), and maybe 2018 will bring us another album; they all seem very intent on doing another one, and there really ain't nothing else going on since the history tours are over, so I can't see them doing a "just because" tour without any kind of theme or anticipation for a forthcoming new album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on September 26, 2016, 01:51:14 PM
Still hopeful that they will release an official live album from this past tour.  I never got to see them this time around, so the live album will have to do.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2016, 01:59:19 PM
About the future, I assume nothing will happen in 2017 aside from the short european tour (but never say never concerning other markets), and maybe 2018 will bring us another album; they all seem very intent on doing another one, and there really ain't nothing else going on since the history tours are over, so I can't see them doing a "just because" tour without any kind of theme or anticipation for a forthcoming new album.

Yea, I could see them doing another run of the same show in different markets such as a summer tour next year of the US hitting their normal amphitheaters they would do during the summer here and since they already hit up the summer festival circuits in Europe, the rest of the US is prime for them come next year if they are up to it.
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Post by: Mosh on September 26, 2016, 01:59:51 PM
The press release says no more European dates for 2017, which implies they'll do stuff on other continents. I take that to mean they'll do an extensive shed tour in the US in June and July.

As far as a new album goes, I expect a similar timeline to the Dance of Death period. They might do a summer tour prior to the new album release that will act as a small scale greatest hits tour. I doubt they'll do anything at the level of Maiden England again.
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Post by: TAC on September 26, 2016, 02:13:05 PM
The press release says no more European dates for 2017, which implies they'll do stuff on other continents. I take that to mean they'll do an extensive shed tour in the US in June and July.

I hope you're right.
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Post by: Mosh on September 26, 2016, 02:17:21 PM
Here in Denver the crowds have been growing every time they come back. I assume it's the same across the country, would be very odd if they only did 10 North American shows this tour.
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Post by: El Barto on September 26, 2016, 02:32:28 PM
A Summer shed tour will almost certainly be greatest hits rather than BoS. They'll play a couple of songs from it, but certainly not six. Maiden pretty much summed up their gameplan around DoD and stuck with it. Limited US album tours and larger tours featuring the MTV hits.
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Post by: TAC on September 26, 2016, 02:35:42 PM
A Summer shed tour will almost certainly be greatest hits rather than BoS. They'll play a couple of songs from it, but certainly not six. Maiden pretty much summed up their gameplan around DoD and stuck with it. Limited US album tours and larger tours featuring the MTV hits.

Someone needs to clue Bruce in on this. He's been denying it since the mid 80's.
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Post by: El Barto on September 26, 2016, 02:48:32 PM
MTV certainly helped them out in the early 80's. At the same time their popularity has exploded in the 2000s, without any help from radio or MTV.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on September 26, 2016, 02:52:25 PM
I would pay a lot to see them play Alexander the Great.
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Post by: TAC on September 26, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
MTV certainly helped them out in the early 80's. At the same time their popularity has exploded in the 2000s, without any help from radio or MTV.

What they have done in the 2000's is nothing short of amazing.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 26, 2016, 03:02:59 PM
I would pay a lot to see them play Alexander the Great.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2016, 03:10:43 PM
MTV certainly helped them out in the early 80's. At the same time their popularity has exploded in the 2000s, without any help from radio or MTV.

What they have done in the 2000's is nothing short of amazing.

Im a fan from the 2000s.  The radio hits of the 80s were not the reason why.  I believe it was Fear of the Dark live at RiR that got me hooked.  It was on Edward the Great, greatest hits album.  I liked IM but hearing that blew me away.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 26, 2016, 03:36:16 PM
I would pay a lot to see them play Alexander the Great.
1000 times this but minus the payment.
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Post by: TAC on September 26, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
MTV certainly helped them out in the early 80's. At the same time their popularity has exploded in the 2000s, without any help from radio or MTV.

What they have done in the 2000's is nothing short of amazing.

Im a fan from the 2000s.  The radio hits of the 80s were not the reason why.  I believe it was Fear of the Dark live at RiR that got me hooked.  It was on Edward the Great, greatest hits album.  I liked IM but hearing that blew me away.

I think that's awesome!
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 30, 2016, 02:34:15 PM
Spent the day listening to TFF. I really love Where the wild wind blows
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Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
Where were you when we needed people with good taste in the Maiden survivor?  :rant:
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Post by: TAC on September 30, 2016, 03:26:59 PM
Spent the day listening to TFF. I really love Where the wild wind blows

Such an awesome album.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2016, 04:43:28 PM
Where were you when we needed people with good taste in the Maiden survivor?  :rant:
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Post by: TAC on September 30, 2016, 04:46:44 PM

Such an awesome album.

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Post by: Mosh on September 30, 2016, 05:19:25 PM
TFF is great.
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Post by: 425 on September 30, 2016, 06:37:01 PM
Starblind tho. But yeah as I've said before TFF is my favorite Maiden album. Not a bad track on there, especially among the epics.

Also, Maiden survivor plug: we just started consolations! If you're a Maiden fan and you don't check Polls and Survivors that often, be sure to take a look over there at the polls I try to post everyday but often fail to post that frequently.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on September 30, 2016, 11:29:48 PM
Starblind tho. But yeah as I've said before TFF is my favorite Maiden album. Not a bad track on there, especially among the epics.
Not a fan of The Alchemist and The Man Who Would Be King is an utterly pedestrian and boring "epic" but the rest of the album is very good. Totally doesn't deserve to be as frequently maligned as it is. Isle of Avalon, Starblind, and When the Wild Wind Blows are great songs.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2016, 04:43:36 AM
The Final Frontier so far has been the only album "ignored" after its release.

Maiden has so many unwritten rules about their setlists that one can almost guess they are, actually, written: Always play 5-6 songs off new album, always close the main set with Iron Maiden, always have three encore songs, always keep 2 songs off the previous album in the next tour and then scale back to one (when the albums were few in the '80s they were always managing to do that.), and probably many more.

They never really had the "Screw the previous album 'cause it doesn't matter anymore" attitude, even when Bruce was back, in the Ed Hunter reunion tour they kept 2 songs off the previous album, Virtual XI, namely Futureal and The Clansman, then keeping only the latter in the BNW tour.

Same "fate" for BNW, the summer Gimme the 'Ed 'til I'm dead tour featured two songs off it (Title track and The Wicker Man) and then only one (title track) in the Dance of Death tour.

After DoD, things got a bit weird with all the special tours: first there was the Early days tour, so only the first 4 albums were picked.
Then it was time to play A Matter of Life and Death in its entirety,and with only 5 songs left in the set, they obviously favored the classics so no more BNW / DOD songs.

Then it was once again a history tour, and finally for the first leg of the Final Frontier tour it was reunion galore, with the set almost entirely based on the 2000's albums.

Then Maiden England, and when it was finally time of a "normal" tour for a new album... The Final Frontier was just gone from the setlist.

So far it's the only time it happened and we'll have to see if future setlists will bring back at least a song (after all Dance of Death was ignored until 2010), or if The Final Frontier will go down in Maiden's history as the only album whose songs were only played in the dedicated tour.
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Post by: TAC on October 01, 2016, 06:43:28 AM
Yeah, Mask, Maiden setlists can be head scratchers, though you made a great post. Sometimes it seems like they don't put any thought into it.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 01, 2016, 09:38:49 AM
The whole 'if a song isn't played on its own tour, it'll never get played' rule is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So many songs go to waste because of it, like Alexander the Great.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
The whole 'if a song isn't played on its own tour, it'll never get played' rule is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So many songs go to waste because of it, like Alexander the Great.

Yeah, that's another unwritten-maybe-written rule, it has never ever happened in Maiden's history... and probably it never will.

About Alex the Great... I think that everyone is fixated on that song because it was never played live. To Tame a Land is an equally good epic of the '80s, but it was played in the Piece of Mind tour so people are ok with it...if it was never played everyone would be wondering why such a good song was left out like if it was a Quest for Fire or a Sun and Steel.
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Post by: TAC on October 01, 2016, 09:54:31 AM
I never understood why they repeated Rime on the 86-87 tour and didn't play ATG.
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Post by: Mosh on October 01, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
Lately I've been thinking that a lot of these unwritten rules are more coincidental than anything else. I think it's more likely that they just forget about the unplayed songs and create future setlists based on what worked on the last tours. I wouldn't be surprised if they do a never before played live song at some point. It also seems like they want to play Empire of the Clouds but only in the right setting (with an orchestra for a one off).

As for The Final Frontier, they could've fit something in there but it was probably for the best that it was all classics besides the new songs (and I qualify Blood Brothers as a classic at this point). On the BNW tour, their discography was still small enough that they could do a real career spanning setlist. Four reunion era albums later with a lot of longer songs and there is less room for everything.
At the same time, in recent interviews I've gotten the impression that some members, Adrian in particular, weren't very happy with how TFF turned out. Even comparing interviews promoting TFF compared to those promoting TBOS show a difference in attitude.

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Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2016, 10:41:50 AM
Maiden have always been very dedicated to the new material and, while as you correctly said that the longer the discography grows, the more difficult it becomes to make a carrer spanning setlist, I wouldn't want them to go for the "Songs from the latest album 'cause that's the latest excuse for touring and then all classics". So many bands have their latter albums all but forgotten whenever a new one comes out, medium size bands and also big ones - look at Metallica for example, when I saw them in 2001 it was everything up until the Black Album and then ONE song after that, All Nightmare Long, and I wouldn't be surprised if this would be the approach for the new album tour, with Load, Reload, that thing with the bad sound and Death Magnetic all but ignored.

As for a possible orchestra show, I wouldn't mind Maiden to do one, but I hope they do it the right way, picking songs fitting for an orchestra, who cares if it's gonna be heavily inclined on the reunion era. The last thing I need to hear is 2 Minutes to Midnight played exactly as it is, but with violins doubling the guitars.
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Post by: Mosh on October 01, 2016, 10:48:15 AM
Yea, there are only a handful of songs that would really work with the orchestra. Many of the orchestrations on the albums are lame and in most cases detracts from a song rather than adding to it.

I hope the history tours are truly done. They hit all the major periods. If they continue to do tours that aren't for an album, I hope it's more in the vein of Ed Huntour or Give Me Ed where they just play a bit of everything. One song from each reunion era album, 5 80s songs, and then FOTD/RTTH/Iron Maiden/Hallowed/NOTB/Trooper.

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Post by: Nick on January 19, 2017, 06:29:21 AM
Iron Maiden continue The Book of Souls World Tour with a return to North America for an extensive run of shows in the summer.

JUN 03 BRISTOW, VA JIFFY LUBE LIVE
JUN 04 PHILADELPHIA, PA WELLS FARGO CENTER
JUN 07 NEWARK, NJ PRUDENTIAL CENTER
JUN 09 CHARLOTTE, NC PNC MUSIC PAVILION
JUN 11 TAMPA, FL AMALIE ARENA
JUN 13 NASHVILLE, TN BRIDGESTONE ARENA
JUN 15 CHICAGO, IL HOLLYWOOD CASINO AMPHITHEATER

JUN 16 MINNEAPOLIS, MN XCEL ENERGY CENTER
JUN 19 OKLAHOMA CITY, OK CHESAPEAKE ARENA
JUN 21 HOUSTON, TX TOYOTA CENTER
JUN 23 DALLAS, TX AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER

JUN 24 SAN ANTONIO, TX AT&T CENTER
JUN 27 ALBUQUERQUE, NM ISLETA AMPHITHEATER
JUN 28 PHOENIX, AZ TALKING STICK RESORT ARENA

JUL 01 SAN BERNARDINO, CA SAN MANUEL AMPHITHEATER*

JUL 03 LAS VEGAS, NV T-MOBILE ARENA
JUL 05 OAKLAND, CA ORACLE ARENA
JUL 07 SALT LAKE CITY, UT USANA AMPHITHEATER
JUL 09 LINCOLN, NE PINNACLE BANK ARENA
JUL 11 KANSAS CITY, MO SPRINT CENTER
JUL 12 ST LOUIS, MO HOLLYWOOD CASINO AMPHITHEATER

JUL 15 TORONTO, CANADA BUDWEISER STAGE
JUL 16 QUEBEC CITY, CANADA VIDEOTRON CENTRE
JUL 19 MANSFIELD, MA XFINITY CENTER
JUL 21 BROOKLYN, NY BARCLAYS CENTER

Tickets on-sale from Friday 27th January.

Fan Club pre-sale starts Tuesday 24th January.

Special guests on all the shows will be Ghost

Full details can be found at www.ironmaiden.com
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Post by: TAC on January 19, 2017, 06:49:54 AM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 07:23:48 AM
I'm reapplying for my fan club membership now.  I am looking to go to both the NJ and Brooklyn shows.   :metal :metal
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Post by: millahh on January 19, 2017, 07:30:39 AM
 :metal  With Ghost opening!!   :metal
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 19, 2017, 08:06:50 AM
Fuck yeah they're not skipping us. And with Ghost supporting that just makes it even better
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Post by: El Barto on January 19, 2017, 08:22:26 AM
:metal  With Ghost opening!!   :metal
Yeah, that's a pleasant surprise. Not my favorite music but they're still pretty damned cool and they skipped Dallas on their last tour (technically they appeared at a festival somewhere).

Doubt I'll do any traveling this time around, already done that, but seeing a local show will be nice. They've also moved up from the local shed to a proper arena. Normally I'd disapprove, but some AC will be welcomed.
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Post by: axeman90210 on January 19, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows
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Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 08:58:03 AM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows

I like how they are actually like 6 weeks apart.  Brooklyn is on a Friday and NJ is on a Wednesday.  I'm thinking I do the NJ show after work and try to get up close and the Brooklyn show I get wasted and take a seat in the back.  I've never been to Barclays so that'll be fun.
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Post by: axeman90210 on January 19, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows

I like how they are actually like 6 weeks apart.  Brooklyn is on a Friday and NJ is on a Wednesday.  I'm thinking I do the NJ show after work and try to get up close and the Brooklyn show I get wasted and take a seat in the back.  I've never been to Barclays so that'll be fun.

Yeah, I appreciate them being spaced out as well. Thinking definitely Newark because it's much easier for me to get to after work, and then if I really like the setlist/show I'll spring for Brooklyn as well.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 19, 2017, 09:30:13 AM
Hopefully some more Canadian dates will be added
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Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 09:33:43 AM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows

I like how they are actually like 6 weeks apart.  Brooklyn is on a Friday and NJ is on a Wednesday.  I'm thinking I do the NJ show after work and try to get up close and the Brooklyn show I get wasted and take a seat in the back.  I've never been to Barclays so that'll be fun.

Yeah, I appreciate them being spaced out as well. Thinking definitely Newark because it's much easier for me to get to after work, and then if I really like the setlist/show I'll spring for Brooklyn as well.

Not to spoil anything but Steve Harris said the show will not have much changes from last years show.  I'd guess maybe there is one or two song chances, older track staples replaced with older track staples IMO if there even is any setlist change at all.
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Post by: axeman90210 on January 19, 2017, 09:55:44 AM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows

I like how they are actually like 6 weeks apart.  Brooklyn is on a Friday and NJ is on a Wednesday.  I'm thinking I do the NJ show after work and try to get up close and the Brooklyn show I get wasted and take a seat in the back.  I've never been to Barclays so that'll be fun.

Yeah, I appreciate them being spaced out as well. Thinking definitely Newark because it's much easier for me to get to after work, and then if I really like the setlist/show I'll spring for Brooklyn as well.

Not to spoil anything but Steve Harris said the show will not have much changes from last years show.  I'd guess maybe there is one or two song chances, older track staples replaced with older track staples IMO if there even is any setlist change at all.

Ah, good to know. Didn't catch any of last year's shows so I'll have to check out what the setlist looked like.
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Post by: Dream Team on January 19, 2017, 10:19:16 AM
Yup, that's how you space out the gigs so you don't kill your singer. DT take note.
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 19, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
I'm reapplying for my fan club membership now.  I am looking to go to both the NJ and Brooklyn shows.   :metal :metal

Ditto! Can't believe they're playing in Nebraska!
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Post by: Mladen on January 19, 2017, 11:31:39 AM
Great package. Lucky Americans.  :tup
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Post by: El Barto on January 19, 2017, 11:50:08 AM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows

I like how they are actually like 6 weeks apart.  Brooklyn is on a Friday and NJ is on a Wednesday.  I'm thinking I do the NJ show after work and try to get up close and the Brooklyn show I get wasted and take a seat in the back.  I've never been to Barclays so that'll be fun.

Yeah, I appreciate them being spaced out as well. Thinking definitely Newark because it's much easier for me to get to after work, and then if I really like the setlist/show I'll spring for Brooklyn as well.

Not to spoil anything but Steve Harris said the show will not have much changes from last years show.  I'd guess maybe there is one or two song chances, older track staples replaced with older track staples IMO if there even is any setlist change at all.
For a big US tour they'd be more likely to dump one or two of the new songs. Tears of a Clown would be the likely candidate. Maybe replace that with one from the Final Frontier tour we never really got. Maybe they drop Red/Black and add two old songs. In any case it's already a pretty good setlist, so short of dropping Hallowed I don't see them mucking it up too much.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 12:10:43 PM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows

I like how they are actually like 6 weeks apart.  Brooklyn is on a Friday and NJ is on a Wednesday.  I'm thinking I do the NJ show after work and try to get up close and the Brooklyn show I get wasted and take a seat in the back.  I've never been to Barclays so that'll be fun.

Yeah, I appreciate them being spaced out as well. Thinking definitely Newark because it's much easier for me to get to after work, and then if I really like the setlist/show I'll spring for Brooklyn as well.

Not to spoil anything but Steve Harris said the show will not have much changes from last years show.  I'd guess maybe there is one or two song chances, older track staples replaced with older track staples IMO if there even is any setlist change at all.
For a big US tour they'd be more likely to dump one or two of the new songs. Tears of a Clown would be the likely candidate. Maybe replace that with one from the Final Frontier tour we never really got. Maybe they drop Red/Black and add two old songs. In any case it's already a pretty good setlist, so short of dropping Hallowed I don't see them mucking it up too much.

My guess is they take out Blood Blothers and replace it with Run to the Hills.  Maybe move Wasted Years before it.  America loves the classics more than the new stuff, but I am not so sure they remove BoS songs since that's what they are touring. 
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Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2017, 12:50:36 PM
What's the "Show" like?  Is it pared back like that shed tour from a couple years ago (the only real prop was Bruce's big flag, and no that's not a euphemism) or is it more of a spectacle?   Also, for me, coming from Hartford, CT, should I go to Mansfield (an hour) which is also a shed, or Brooklyn (an hour and a half plus, but it's an arena, I think)?

I saw Sabbath at Mansfield and it was awesome (third row center) but other than the screen in back, the staging was very vanilla.  If it's a full-blown extravaganza I might ask my daughter if she wants to go.  She loves that shit. 
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Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 12:53:45 PM
Barclays in Brooklyn is an arena, built a few years ago for the Nets.  I've never been, but I've heard it's nice.

As for the show, there's lots of pyros and Eddie.  Nothing crazy, but I thought it was their best stage show of any of their previous tours. 
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Post by: axeman90210 on January 19, 2017, 12:58:27 PM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows

I like how they are actually like 6 weeks apart.  Brooklyn is on a Friday and NJ is on a Wednesday.  I'm thinking I do the NJ show after work and try to get up close and the Brooklyn show I get wasted and take a seat in the back.  I've never been to Barclays so that'll be fun.

Yeah, I appreciate them being spaced out as well. Thinking definitely Newark because it's much easier for me to get to after work, and then if I really like the setlist/show I'll spring for Brooklyn as well.

Not to spoil anything but Steve Harris said the show will not have much changes from last years show.  I'd guess maybe there is one or two song chances, older track staples replaced with older track staples IMO if there even is any setlist change at all.
For a big US tour they'd be more likely to dump one or two of the new songs. Tears of a Clown would be the likely candidate. Maybe replace that with one from the Final Frontier tour we never really got. Maybe they drop Red/Black and add two old songs. In any case it's already a pretty good setlist, so short of dropping Hallowed I don't see them mucking it up too much.

My guess is they take out Blood Blothers and replace it with Run to the Hills.  Maybe move Wasted Years before it.  America loves the classics more than the new stuff, but I am not so sure they remove BoS songs since that's what they are touring. 

Yeah, I checked out their setlist from the MSG show last year and was surprised Run to the Hills wasn't on there. To me that, Number of the Beast, and Hollowed be thy Name were the big three I figured they'd always keep in their setlists.
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Post by: Samsara on January 19, 2017, 01:12:35 PM
Planning to be there. Not a fan of Ghost, but can't wait to see the Book of Souls tunes live!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 19, 2017, 01:17:27 PM
What's the "Show" like?  Is it pared back like that shed tour from a couple years ago (the only real prop was Bruce's big flag, and no that's not a euphemism) or is it more of a spectacle?   Also, for me, coming from Hartford, CT, should I go to Mansfield (an hour) which is also a shed, or Brooklyn (an hour and a half plus, but it's an arena, I think)?

I saw Sabbath at Mansfield and it was awesome (third row center) but other than the screen in back, the staging was very vanilla.  If it's a full-blown extravaganza I might ask my daughter if she wants to go.  She loves that shit.
It's a real good show. The devil they've been touring with the last few years is awesome. It's a pretty big stage. A fair amount of fire. Great show opening (best they've done, in fact).

As for where to see it, I'd go wherever the better crowd is likely to be. If the floor at Barclays is sold GA, then that would be my first choice. I got to see first hand how much of a difference a good, energetic crowd makes, and GA is a big factor in that.
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Post by: El Barto on January 19, 2017, 01:19:18 PM
Probably leaning towards Newark over Brooklyn, but definitely want to try and catch them during this run of thows

I like how they are actually like 6 weeks apart.  Brooklyn is on a Friday and NJ is on a Wednesday.  I'm thinking I do the NJ show after work and try to get up close and the Brooklyn show I get wasted and take a seat in the back.  I've never been to Barclays so that'll be fun.

Yeah, I appreciate them being spaced out as well. Thinking definitely Newark because it's much easier for me to get to after work, and then if I really like the setlist/show I'll spring for Brooklyn as well.

Not to spoil anything but Steve Harris said the show will not have much changes from last years show.  I'd guess maybe there is one or two song chances, older track staples replaced with older track staples IMO if there even is any setlist change at all.
For a big US tour they'd be more likely to dump one or two of the new songs. Tears of a Clown would be the likely candidate. Maybe replace that with one from the Final Frontier tour we never really got. Maybe they drop Red/Black and add two old songs. In any case it's already a pretty good setlist, so short of dropping Hallowed I don't see them mucking it up too much.

My guess is they take out Blood Blothers and replace it with Run to the Hills.  Maybe move Wasted Years before it.  America loves the classics more than the new stuff, but I am not so sure they remove BoS songs since that's what they are touring.
Yeah, but touring the new material in America has never been important to them. They did their BoS tour, and I think this will be slightly more greatest hits, though not by much. Add to that, Tears never went over all that well anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on January 19, 2017, 01:22:46 PM
Looks like I'll get to catch Maiden a third time this album cycle! First New York, then Wacken, now San Bernadino  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2017, 01:34:07 PM
Yea, EB you got a totally valid point.  I really liked Tears though, I hope they keep it.  I just overall don't think there will be a big change, at most 2 songs IMO.

Also, +1 on the intro, I also thought that was their best intro.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
Tears didn't work that well for me when I saw them.  It was better than I expected, but I think could be easily replaced.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 19, 2017, 03:56:20 PM
Huh, I did not know that for the Toronto venue, they changed the name from Molson Amphitheatre to Budweiser Stage.  I bet there are some Canadians that are not happy with the name change going from a beloved Canadian beer name to an American beer name.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 20, 2017, 12:17:55 AM
Catch this show if you can. Saw them this summer. Great show, pyro, fantastic backdrops and lighting. And it's Maiden, off course!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 20, 2017, 05:22:05 AM
Tears didn't work that well for me when I saw them.  It was better than I expected, but I think could be easily replaced.

This.  It's still one of the weakest on the album to me.  Live it just brought the energy to halt I felt. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 20, 2017, 07:52:10 AM
What's the "Show" like?  Is it pared back like that shed tour from a couple years ago (the only real prop was Bruce's big flag, and no that's not a euphemism) or is it more of a spectacle?   Also, for me, coming from Hartford, CT, should I go to Mansfield (an hour) which is also a shed, or Brooklyn (an hour and a half plus, but it's an arena, I think)?

I saw Sabbath at Mansfield and it was awesome (third row center) but other than the screen in back, the staging was very vanilla.  If it's a full-blown extravaganza I might ask my daughter if she wants to go.  She loves that shit.
It's a real good show. The devil they've been touring with the last few years is awesome. It's a pretty big stage. A fair amount of fire. Great show opening (best they've done, in fact).

As for where to see it, I'd go wherever the better crowd is likely to be. If the floor at Barclays is sold GA, then that would be my first choice. I got to see first hand how much of a difference a good, energetic crowd makes, and GA is a big factor in that.

I don't know if I want GA, though.   I'm afraid I'll lose my shit and try to jump up on stage and hug Dave Murray.  :) 

I've loved Maiden since I saw them open for Priest in '82, and to this day, Murray and Dickenson are two of my favorite musicians ever.   EVER. 

Seriously, though, good point.  Mansfield could be either way (I've seen shows that have a "pit" - Jane's Addiction - and some that don't - Sabbath); I don't know about the Barclays.  How do you know?  See what the tickets are?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 20, 2017, 07:55:26 AM
What's the "Show" like?  Is it pared back like that shed tour from a couple years ago (the only real prop was Bruce's big flag, and no that's not a euphemism) or is it more of a spectacle?   Also, for me, coming from Hartford, CT, should I go to Mansfield (an hour) which is also a shed, or Brooklyn (an hour and a half plus, but it's an arena, I think)?

I saw Sabbath at Mansfield and it was awesome (third row center) but other than the screen in back, the staging was very vanilla.  If it's a full-blown extravaganza I might ask my daughter if she wants to go.  She loves that shit.
It's a real good show. The devil they've been touring with the last few years is awesome. It's a pretty big stage. A fair amount of fire. Great show opening (best they've done, in fact).

As for where to see it, I'd go wherever the better crowd is likely to be. If the floor at Barclays is sold GA, then that would be my first choice. I got to see first hand how much of a difference a good, energetic crowd makes, and GA is a big factor in that.

I don't know if I want GA, though.   I'm afraid I'll lose my shit and try to jump up on stage and hug Dave Murray.  :) 

I've loved Maiden since I saw them open for Priest in '82, and to this day, Murray and Dickenson are two of my favorite musicians ever.   EVER. 

Seriously, though, good point.  Mansfield could be either way (I've seen shows that have a "pit" - Jane's Addiction - and some that don't - Sabbath); I don't know about the Barclays.  How do you know?  See what the tickets are?

You can check ticketmaster, but I already checked Brooklyn and it has a GA floor.  What bums me though is that it is one big floor pit, not two  with one closer and one further back like IM have done in the past. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 20, 2017, 08:27:01 AM
I may do that.  I'll be by myself, and I don't have to be leaning on the rail, I just want to be within ten, twelve feet of Murray.   I'm hatching a plan here. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 20, 2017, 08:40:30 AM
I may do that.  I'll be by myself, and I don't have to be leaning on the rail, I just want to be within ten, twelve feet of Murray.   I'm hatching a plan here.

Having done this many times in the past, and hoping to again, just make sure you get there early.  You'll be beat by the fan club members who win first to the barrier and then anyone else who gets there before you.  Typically an hour before doors I'd be able to get about 5-10ft away from the barrier. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 20, 2017, 03:03:06 PM
   I'm afraid I'll lose my shit and try to jump up on stage and hug Dave Murray.  :) 

I've loved Maiden since I saw them open for Priest in '82, and to this day, Murray and Dickenson are two of my favorite musicians ever.   EVER. 

Not sure if you saw my pics in the Top 5 Shows thread. I was right in front of Dave at The Ritz show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2017, 08:23:23 PM
Jannick Gers turns 60 today. Damn!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2017, 03:56:06 AM
Jannick Gers turns 60 today. Damn!

Wow.  happy B'Day to Janick.  What a legend to be performing the way he does at that age and staying so fit.  I know he cops some shit, but I find it hard to see the band without him, I really like the guy and his songwriting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2017, 06:06:40 AM
So do I. If there is one thing that should be evident during the Reunion Era, it is the amazing personal chemistry within the band. Jannick is a huge part of that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 22, 2017, 10:52:08 AM
Janick is also underrated as a songwriter. Some of the best songs from the reunion era (Book of Souls, Dance of Death, etc) involve him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 22, 2017, 11:47:51 AM
He's my favorite songwriter of the reunion era, as a matter of fact. And even though his two songs on The Book of souls are not the ones I love the most on the album, his songs are usually the highlights. The Legacy, Dance of death, Dream of mirrors, The Talisman, Ghost of the navigator - and yes, some underrated jams like The Pilgrim, Gates of tomorrow and The Alchemist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 22, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
The Alchemist is a great song. Shame they didn't play it live.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 22, 2017, 12:06:32 PM
Allow me to join in the appreciation for the many great songs Janick wrote since the reunion!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 22, 2017, 12:11:41 PM
He's my favorite songwriter of the reunion era, as a matter of fact. And even though his two songs on The Book of souls are not the ones I love the most on the album, his songs are usually the highlights. The Legacy, Dance of death, Dream of mirrors, The Talisman, Ghost of the navigator - and yes, some underrated jams like The Pilgrim, Gates of tomorrow and The Alchemist.

Yea some great songs there  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2017, 01:51:15 PM
His songwriting adds that variety to the Maiden sound too.  Very mature in his songwriting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on January 23, 2017, 06:23:49 AM
Allow me to join in the appreciation for the many great songs Janick wrote since the reunion!  :metal

+1  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 23, 2017, 07:57:44 AM
I wonder if he stands in the front of his work space and twirls the guitar around his neck while he writes?  :)   

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 23, 2017, 09:13:42 AM
100 TAC points to whoever PMs the presale pass code to me!


Seriously, please!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on January 23, 2017, 02:42:00 PM
Same here, might not be able to get tickets during the onsale time to a presale code would be much appreciated  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on January 23, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
Tim, anyone with live nation password, would appreciate a pm. Up the irons!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Big Hath on January 24, 2017, 08:04:08 AM
ditto that
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 24, 2017, 09:59:06 AM
Me too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 24, 2017, 10:09:50 AM
Me three please :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on January 24, 2017, 10:28:42 AM
The fc pw is specific to the member. But if you do a google search for the pass code for live nation or ticketmaster, that one is pretty easy to find. If somebody cant find it, hit me up via pm. Not sure if it works, as that sale starts thursday.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on January 24, 2017, 11:05:25 AM
Got my tickets! 6th row right off the stage! :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2017, 11:09:03 AM
Got GA floor tickets for both NJ and NY!  Now just need to win first to the barrier...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 11:40:15 AM
Seeing them in Mansfleild, Mass for the first time since 1987.  27 rows back right side of the stage.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on January 24, 2017, 12:38:17 PM
Fifth row, closest seated section, smith and murray's side.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on January 24, 2017, 01:25:55 PM
10th row, Smith and Murray side, about halfway back. I'm happy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2017, 01:29:24 PM
We're twenty rows back on Jannick's side. So pumped for this show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on January 24, 2017, 01:30:08 PM
I'm 7 rows behind TAC.  I'm going to flick his ears like in high school.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2017, 01:35:28 PM
What I find interesting, for the NJ show (not the NY one) when I purchased the floor seats, it specifically says these tickets are non transferable and you will not get a ticket, need to bring ID and credit card to be swiped and then they will let you in.  Yet, there are tickets on stubhub? How is that possible?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2017, 07:28:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYT2dmxNWrY

 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on January 25, 2017, 12:41:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYT2dmxNWrY

 :hefdaddy
was probably 10-15 people back stage leftish, incredible show and performance  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2017, 10:32:40 AM
Live Nation presale code for tomorrow, I just recieved via email, is SUPERSTAR for NJ/NY shows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 26, 2017, 04:11:11 PM
Thank you so much for the SUPERSTAR code

I got 15th row and I am at "center court" so I am very happy. I definitely didn't want to do GA.

This shall be my very first time ever seeing them  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2017, 06:27:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYT2dmxNWrY

 :hefdaddy
That was fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 26, 2017, 07:44:08 PM
This looks cool:

https://bravewords.com/news/bruce-dickinson-s-scream-for-me-sarajevo-documentary-official-trailer-streaming
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on January 26, 2017, 08:05:46 PM
tickets purchased for San Bernadino!  :metal  not in the front section, but didn't have the money to get any closer, so who cares  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2017, 04:43:28 AM
This looks cool:

https://bravewords.com/news/bruce-dickinson-s-scream-for-me-sarajevo-documentary-official-trailer-streaming

Just saw this.  I had no idea this happened and will be definitely worth a watch.  Bruce is such a legend.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2017, 10:09:37 AM
He really is. When you step back and really look at all of his accomplishments, it's as impressive as anyone in music.

Next he'll be Knighted. Sir Bruce Dickinson.
Lowdz, can you make that happen?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on January 27, 2017, 10:19:20 AM
Agreed, and can't wait to see the documentary. Sounds like an incredible story.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2017, 10:25:39 AM
So much about Bruce's life is such an amazing story, really.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 27, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpxWoikZZww

...that was so beautiful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 27, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
So much about Bruce's life is such an amazing story, really.
True that. It's hard to find a better rolemodel in metal for kids and even adults.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on January 27, 2017, 11:48:59 AM
He should write a book.

About himself.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
So much about Bruce's life is such an amazing story, really.
True that. It's hard to find a better rolemodel in metal for kids and even adults.

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 27, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
So much about Bruce's life is such an amazing story, really.
True that. It's hard to find a better rolemodel in metal for kids and even adults.

 :tup :tup

+ 1, the size of the Chinese Wall.

Bruce is my hero. With many singers or musicians, I "just" like or love their music... for Bruce I have actual admiration and respect. Nay, call that worship and veneration  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 27, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
He should write a book.

About himself.
I've read the unofficial biography which I can't remember the name of. Pretty good but a bit messy especially the early years.
Since you mentioned it I had a google and found that he's actually working on it which I had no idea about.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-bruce-dickinson-write-official-autobiography/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on January 27, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpxWoikZZww

...that was so beautiful.

Still the best fucking band in the world!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2017, 05:58:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpxWoikZZww

...that was so beautiful.

Still the best fucking band in the world!

Yup  :metal :metal

So I had a nice treat when I got home, my Iron Maiden fan club package, which included my 1 of 200 model Ed Force One planes (sold seperately of course, but worth it for me).  It will go well on my desk:

(https://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm267/cramx3/20170127_192140.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2017, 06:43:30 PM
That's pretty sweet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 27, 2017, 06:51:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpxWoikZZww

...that was so beautiful.
Really lovely!  :heart(as a Maiden clip can be) :metal And the audio is from Rio de Janeiro  :hat

For those who missed (like me until today), Death or Glory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b708rEG7spI&list=RDb708rEG7spI
Both videos with really excellent audios! By the way, GREAT solo by Adrian on Death or Glory ... (Well, I really need to comment on Wasted Years? :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 28, 2017, 07:13:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smCu6Wmvhh8
WOW!
 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 28, 2017, 07:39:46 PM
Someone posted this pic over at MaidenFans. Pretty cool. Never saw it before:

(https://maidenrevelations.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/bruceandblaze.jpg)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2017, 10:03:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smCu6Wmvhh8
WOW!
 :metal
Eh.  I remember seeing an older version a few years ago.  Cool, I guess. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2017, 03:48:03 AM
Someone posted this pic over at MaidenFans. Pretty cool. Never saw it before:

(https://maidenrevelations.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/bruceandblaze.jpg)

That's an awesome pic, great to see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on January 29, 2017, 04:25:45 AM
Very cool picture. I wonder if Paul and Bruce ever had their picture taken together as well
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 29, 2017, 06:18:30 AM
I believe that photo dates back to those times Bruce interviewed Blaze on his radio show. One of those interviews has been up on youtube for years, the other one never showed up anywhere but I caught it years ago.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 29, 2017, 06:37:14 AM
Indeed, Blaze is basically bald today and Bruce's hair is also much shorter, the pic is not recent but still a very good one to see!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 29, 2017, 07:13:22 AM
I believe that photo dates back to those times Bruce interviewed Blaze on his radio show. One of those interviews has been up on youtube for years, the other one never showed up anywhere but I caught it years ago.

I wasn't aware of that. Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AssksLOzDTg
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 29, 2017, 12:56:26 PM
It's a very good interview, by the way.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 29, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
Yeah, thanks for mentioning it, M.  Both guys were totally cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 29, 2017, 06:34:27 PM
Just had an awesome listen to Brave New World. This album is a fucking masterpiece!

Really. For me, first impressions are hard to get over. I always liked it, but I guess I was so against falling in love with it, only to have Bruce leave after a lucrative Reunion album and tour. I really held back.

I also want to say that The Mercenary has really aged well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 29, 2017, 06:59:10 PM
I listened to BNW today as well.

Excellent album from beginning to end
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 29, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
I'll have to go back and listen to it again.    I didn't revisit it very often because I couldn't wash the bad taste of Blood Brothers out of my mouth.    What a bloody TERRIBLE song.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler. It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.   It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.  It repeats all the sins of Angel and the Gambler.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 29, 2017, 07:37:22 PM
Blood Brothers is easily the best song on the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 29, 2017, 07:44:13 PM
Blood Brothers is easily the best song on the album.

I think it is excellent as well. A great track that truly legitimizes the quality of Maiden's discography.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2017, 08:01:18 PM
Blood Brothers was one of the best songs on this tour when I saw them last year, it was incredible.

BNW is probably still top 3 Maiden for me.  I got into Maiden around 1999, so it was the first album that I was able to pick up from its release.  That makes it pretty special for me.  It was released on my birthday and I went out and picked it up that same day, good times.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 29, 2017, 08:05:12 PM
I just watched/heard the video for Angel and the gambler. Good god  :lol

But anyway, I love all the albums of the re-union era, with the exception of Dance of Death which I just like
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on January 29, 2017, 09:41:08 PM
So much about Bruce's life is such an amazing story, really.
True that. It's hard to find a better rolemodel in metal for kids and even adults.

 :tup :tup

+ 1, the size of the Chinese Wall.

Bruce is my hero. With many singers or musicians, I "just" like or love their music... for Bruce I have actual admiration and respect. Nay, call that worship and veneration  ;D

Same. Been a fanboy of Bruce ever since I got into Iron Maiden as a teenager. The man is a huge inspiration to me. :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 29, 2017, 09:48:36 PM
I don't think Angel and the Gambler is the worst Maiden song. It has problems for sure, but there's a good song in there somewhere. Lots of stuff on FOTD though that is irredeemable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 30, 2017, 01:11:14 AM
I don't think Angel and the Gambler is the worst Maiden song. It has problems for sure, but there's a good song in there somewhere.

Indeed. As a 5 minute straightforward rocker, it would have been way better. And damn, those retro keyboard hits at the beginning are so catchy!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on January 30, 2017, 01:23:49 AM
Blood Brothers is easily the best song on the album.

Probably my favourite song from the reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2017, 04:18:42 AM
Besides obviously the length, there is really nothing wrong with TAATG.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on January 30, 2017, 04:47:43 AM
Besides obviously the length, there is really nothing wrong with TAATG.

I agree
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2017, 07:23:54 AM
There's plenty wrong with TAATG, probably one of my least liked songs from any band ever.  The keyboards are TERRIBLE.  The chorus is just bad.  I don't mind the repeating if it was good and catchy, it's neither and just annoying.  Blaze sounds horrible, although I am a Blaze fan, the music video is atrocious.  The song ruins the album for me.  Take it out and that's a solid album besides the production specifically of Blaze's voice.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on January 30, 2017, 07:49:13 AM
Listening through A Matter Of Life and Death.  :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 30, 2017, 08:03:38 AM
I was just listening to that this morning. Soo damn good. Currently on Piece of mind
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 30, 2017, 12:17:40 PM
Don't look to.... don't look to.... don't look to....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on January 30, 2017, 12:53:35 PM
No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........

To me that is Maiden's most annoying chorus. I like the song but there's a few too many No More Lies lines in the chorus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on January 30, 2017, 01:17:54 PM
No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........No More Liiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeesssssss..........

To me that is Maiden's most annoying chorus. I like the song but there's a few too many No More Lies lines in the chorus.

Agreed. I usually skip this song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 30, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
Don't look to.... don't look to.... don't look to....

There could've certainly done some editing there. But that ending! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 30, 2017, 03:52:27 PM
Oh yes, I forgot all about Don't Look To. That is easily my least favorite Maiden song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 30, 2017, 05:37:40 PM
I just wanted to give mad props to McBrain. Dude will be 65 this summer and he is still kicking major ass.  :metal

They all are really
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 30, 2017, 05:44:10 PM
Oh yes, I forgot all about Don't Look To. That is easily my least favorite Maiden song.

It's not perfect, but I really like it. As with pretty much all of the Blaze era, it feels like one big Demo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 30, 2017, 06:38:57 PM
I just feel like the repetition....which had begun to rear its ugly head in a *small* way on Somewhere in Time (but was still at tolerable levels)...got *completely* out of control on VXI.     Unfortunately, I felt like the entire reunion era tends to suffer from the same lazy chorus writing (i.e. let's repeat the name of the song 8 times and BOOM....instant chorus).     The exception is A Matter of Life and Death, which only has *ONE* song that suffers from the "rinse, lather, repeat" syndrome.   One song on the whole album tends to be tolerable.   When it becomes 3 or more songs, the album gets tedious. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 30, 2017, 07:28:10 PM
I do not think The Book of Souls album suffered from the  "repeat a line over and over again" as a chorus.  Or at least, not like "Brave New World" "Wicker Man", "Blood Brothers," and "The Final Frontier" problems.  I guess the exception is probably If Eternity Should Fail and Speed of Light.  Although... The Red and the Black probably had too many "Woah!"s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 30, 2017, 07:39:43 PM
Actually, you're right.  And it was one of the reasons I actually really liked Book of Souls.  Thank you for that correction. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 30, 2017, 08:14:12 PM
I just feel like the repetition....which had begun to rear its ugly head in a *small* way on Somewhere in Time (but was still at tolerable levels)...got *completely* out of control on VXI.     Unfortunately, I felt like the entire reunion era tends to suffer from the same lazy chorus writing (i.e. let's repeat the name of the song 8 times and BOOM....instant chorus).     The exception is A Matter of Life and Death, which only has *ONE* song that suffers from the "rinse, lather, repeat" syndrome.   One song on the whole album tends to be tolerable.   When it becomes 3 or more songs, the album gets tedious.
I generally disagree that repetitiveness is a problem with the reunion albums, but I'm glad you distinguished AMOLAD from that criticism. A lot of people jump on that album for being repetitive when really it hardly is. Very progressive and adventurous.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 31, 2017, 06:39:45 AM
I personally never had a problem with the repetitiveness as long as the song and what's being repeated is good, which in most cases it is.  I love No More Lies for example.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 31, 2017, 07:25:21 AM
Dance of Death was something to behold when it comes to avoid repetitions.

Out of the two longest songs of the album, one had no chorus at all, and the other had it repeated only twice.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 31, 2017, 07:18:40 PM
Since tickets went on sale last week, I've been on a huge Maiden binge. Tonight I'm listening to Live After Death. Damn. Just Damn. Spectacular. Love how this album is mixed. With Dave in my left ear and Adrian in my right. Really lets you appreciate the interplay.
Similar to Paul Raymond and Michael Schenker on Strangers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on January 31, 2017, 08:01:14 PM
One of the best live albums of all time, no question.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 31, 2017, 08:12:35 PM
Since tickets went on sale last week, I've been on a huge Maiden binge. Tonight I'm listening to Live After Death. Damn. Just Damn. Spectacular. Love how this album is mixed. With Dave in my left ear and Adrian in my right. Really lets you appreciate the interplay.
Similar to Paul Raymond and Michael Schenker on Strangers.

I love live albums that do this so much.  Been listening to Scream for Me Brazil and the perfect stereo split like LAD is awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 31, 2017, 08:17:28 PM
Haven't played Scream For Me Brazil in a long time. I'll fix that this week. Likely tomorrow as I have a day off!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 01, 2017, 06:55:37 AM
I personally never had a problem with the repetitiveness as long as the song and what's being repeated is good, which in most cases it is.

Quoted for truth
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 01, 2017, 09:56:39 AM
The first 4 minutes of the song the final frontier is not for me at all. I wish they would have just cut that Out, since i really like the song once it gets going
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2017, 09:59:42 AM
The first 4 minutes of the song the final frontier is not for me at all. I wish they would have just cut that Out, since i really like the song once it gets going
Im not a big fan of satellite 15 either, but it's unique.  I'd be ok if they just separated the two songs to different tracks. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 01, 2017, 10:15:40 AM
Got my tickets and so excited. Had to clean my cache though because it gave me an error page. Not too bad of seats, but damn Ticketmaster and they're Platinum seats.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 01, 2017, 10:22:25 AM
Since tickets went on sale last week, I've been on a huge Maiden binge. Tonight I'm listening to Live After Death. Damn. Just Damn. Spectacular. Love how this album is mixed. With Dave in my left ear and Adrian in my right. Really lets you appreciate the interplay.
Similar to Paul Raymond and Michael Schenker on Strangers.
And Janick back home in England.

But seriously, I love when live albums have proper stereo separation.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2017, 12:24:34 PM
Since tickets went on sale last week, I've been on a huge Maiden binge. Tonight I'm listening to Live After Death. Damn. Just Damn. Spectacular. Love how this album is mixed. With Dave in my left ear and Adrian in my right. Really lets you appreciate the interplay.
Similar to Paul Raymond and Michael Schenker on Strangers.
And Janick back home in England.

 :lol    :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2017, 06:52:02 PM
  Been listening to Scream for Me Brazil .

The Lovely Mrs TAC had some horrible movie on in bed last night, so I grabbed my iPod and hit this. Damn, what a great album. When I go through a Bruce mode, somehow, I pass SFMB over. As a rule, I hate incomplete live albums, though I'm sure he played, but he couldn't put any Maiden song on it.


The first 4 minutes of the song the final frontier is not for me at all. I wish they would have just cut that Out, since i really like the song once it gets going
Im not a big fan of satellite 15 either, but it's unique.  I'd be ok if they just separated the two songs to different tracks. 

I actually love S15, but you're right, it should be it's own track. That and the transition from S15 to TFF is a little rough.
When I first heard S15 I was like  :metal  It was so different and original for Iron Maiden and it sets the tone for a fantastic album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 01, 2017, 09:37:48 PM
  Been listening to Scream for Me Brazil .

The Lovely Mrs TAC had some horrible movie on in bed last night, so I grabbed my iPod and hit this. Damn, what a great album. When I go through a Bruce mode, somehow, I pass SFMB over. As a rule, I hate incomplete live albums, though I'm sure he played, but he couldn't put any Maiden song on it.

Quote
Note: This concert was recorded and released in the 1999 Live DVD "Scream for me Brazil!", but without the songs "Powerslave", "Jerusalem", "Tattooed Millionaire", "2 Minutes to Midnight", "Taking the Queen" and "Flight of Icarus"
It would seem Powerslave, 2MtM and Icarus were regulars for him. He played those in Dallas when he was through a few years before that gig (along with Prisoner).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 01, 2017, 10:20:17 PM
Icarus is an interesting one, because the current Maiden lineup won't touch it. My assumption has been that this was Adrian's chance to play it at the tempo he wanted (Steve/Nicko always sped it up a ton in the 80s).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 02, 2017, 12:29:09 AM
Icarus is an interesting one, because the current Maiden lineup won't touch it. My assumption has been that this was Adrian's chance to play it at the tempo he wanted (Steve/Nicko always sped it up a ton in the 80s).

Oh yeah, the version on Live After Death is really fast - too fast for my taste. It should be nearer the studio version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on February 02, 2017, 04:18:10 AM
It's the only song from the fantastic LaD that I really don't like. FoI played faster totally killed the mood of this excellent song. Interesting that I read somewhere that Steve Harris don't like that studio version, because it's slower. So, I guess Steve and Nicko "rushed" FoI live because Steve wanted that way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2017, 04:25:34 AM
Hell yeah Tim!!

I would have love to hear those versions of the other songs that were played as quoted by Barto.  The version of Jerusalem is on the second cd of Bruce's best of album, but FOI and Powerslave would be very interesting to hear.

Icarus is an interesting one, because the current Maiden lineup won't touch it. My assumption has been that this was Adrian's chance to play it at the tempo he wanted (Steve/Nicko always sped it up a ton in the 80s).

Oh yeah, the version on Live After Death is really fast - too fast for my taste. It should be nearer the studio version.

It is very fast, but I love H's backup vox on this version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2017, 05:53:01 AM
Yeah, I saw him in Providence on the AOB Tour and have a pretty good boot of the show,
Here's the setlist:

Accident Of Birth
Toltec #7
Starchildren
Two Minutes To Midnight
Darkside Of Aquarius
The Magician
Road To Hell
Tattooed Millionaire
Tears Of The Dragon
Powerslave
Taking The Queen
Flight Of Icarus
Laughing In The Hiding Bush
The Prisoner

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2017, 07:05:06 AM
Damn, I would have loved to see Bruce's solo band
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 02, 2017, 08:25:43 AM
Damn, I would have loved to see Bruce's solo band

I saw the Balls to Picasso Tour, but they didn´t play any Maiden songs then. I was supposed to go see the show where Scream for me Brazil was recorded, but had tonsilitis on the day before...such a shame!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on February 02, 2017, 08:39:27 AM
I was there in the SCFMB show.  :metal

Still the best show i've seen, Bruce was amazing and that band was incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on February 02, 2017, 08:47:22 AM
I was there in the SCFMB show.  :metal

Still the best show i've seen, Bruce was amazing and that band was incredible.

I was at the Rio de Janeiro show on that tour! The Bruce's band at time was killer live and in studio :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 03, 2017, 07:50:39 PM
It's the only song from the fantastic LaD that I really don't like. FoI played faster totally killed the mood of this excellent song. Interesting that I read somewhere that Steve Harris don't like that studio version, because it's slower. So, I guess Steve and Nicko "rushed" FoI live because Steve wanted that way.
Exactly. There are several Maiden songs like this, but it is particularly a point of frustration when it's a song that Adrian wrote. Wasted Years is another good example, there are many versions out there where Adrian plays the intro at a steady/slow tempo and then it speeds up once Steve and Nicko join in.

It works out though. There is a live video out there of Adrian playing Wasted Years with a solo band and the tempo is so slow that it drags. On the other hand, Maiden were playing songs at ridiculous speeds in the early 90s (see A Real Live Dead One). They need each other to balance it out. The tempos they use now is one reason why the current lineup is so immense live. They don't play too fast anymore, but they push the tempo just enough to give the songs a nice energy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2017, 08:03:20 PM
I feel like the perfect FOI version is in the middle of the POM version and the LAD version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 03, 2017, 08:27:06 PM
It sounded good in 83 and 84, just Bruce wasn't as good live as he was in the late 90s/early 00s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2017, 08:35:43 PM
Mosh, I assume you're the same Mosh on Maidenfans. If you don't mind, how old are you and where are you in the world?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: LudwigVan on February 03, 2017, 09:03:58 PM
Mosh, I assume you're the same Mosh on Maidenfans. If you don't mind, how old are you and where are you in the world?

 :lol Dude you are one nosy mofo!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 03, 2017, 10:09:33 PM
 :lol I'm 20 and from Denver, CO. My dad took me to see them in 2003 and they've been my favorite band ever since. Wasn't around for the 80s but I've heard all of the live albums and a bunch of bootlegs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 04, 2017, 05:14:00 PM
Mosh, I assume you're the same Mosh on Maidenfans. If you don't mind, how old are you and where are you in the world?

 :lol Dude you are one nosy mofo!  :lol

Butt out, bro! :lol


I ask mainly so I can understand their perspective.



:lol I'm 20 and from Denver, CO. My dad took me to see them in 2003 and they've been my favorite band ever since. Wasn't around for the 80s but I've heard all of the live albums and a bunch of bootlegs.
Cool. I love the fact that they have made such an impression on today's kids. BTW, the TACs were in Denver last summer.


It sounded good in 83 and 84, 

Good call. I have a bunch of boots on my iPod. I checked Chicago and Ipswich '83 as well as Ipswich and London '84 and FOI has a great pace. But in Copenhagen, just a few weeks after London, it feels sped up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 04, 2017, 05:24:25 PM
:lol I'm 20 and from Denver, CO. My dad took me to see them in 2003 and they've been my favorite band ever since. Wasn't around for the 80s but I've heard all of the live albums and a bunch of bootlegs.
Cool. I love the fact that they have made such an impression on today's kids. BTW, the TACs were in Denver last summer.


It sounded good in 83 and 84, 

Good call. I have a bunch of boots on my iPod. I checked Chicago and Ipswich '83 as well as Ipswich and London '84 and FOI has a great pace. But in Copenhagen, just a few weeks after London, it feels sped up.

Love Denver, also I have that Ipswich 83 boot as well  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 04, 2017, 05:44:55 PM
Love Denver, 

I did too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 04, 2017, 06:47:22 PM
Denver is very close to one of my favorite places I have ever been in my life, breckenridge  :heart
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 04, 2017, 11:09:41 PM
Nice to see some Denver love, it's a great place to live.

Ipswich is a good one. Not only is it a great performance, but it was before the album came out so those songs are new to most of the audience. Hearing The Trooper before it became a live staple is something unique. I always thought it would've been daring if they did that with TFF in 2010, play 5 or 6 songs from the album before it comes out. That was a great setlist anyway.

It is also a shame we have never gotten a proper release of a show from the POM tour. There's Dortmund 83 but it's incomplete and, ironically, missing the rarer songs from POM (Still Life, To Tame a Land, etc).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 05, 2017, 03:48:19 AM
It's the only song from the fantastic LaD that I really don't like. FoI played faster totally killed the mood of this excellent song. Interesting that I read somewhere that Steve Harris don't like that studio version, because it's slower. So, I guess Steve and Nicko "rushed" FoI live because Steve wanted that way.
Exactly. There are several Maiden songs like this, but it is particularly a point of frustration when it's a song that Adrian wrote. Wasted Years is another good example, there are many versions out there where Adrian plays the intro at a steady/slow tempo and then it speeds up once Steve and Nicko join in.

It works out though. There is a live video out there of Adrian playing Wasted Years with a solo band and the tempo is so slow that it drags. On the other hand, Maiden were playing songs at ridiculous speeds in the early 90s (see A Real Live Dead One). They need each other to balance it out. The tempos they use now is one reason why the current lineup is so immense live. They don't play too fast anymore, but they push the tempo just enough to give the songs a nice energy.

I think it's just a casualty of touring, songs get sped up and no-one realises.  I also think tempos are more controlled now because Nicko has trouble playing things too fast - I remember him saying that Phantom of the Opera had to be played a bit slower because he had trouble keeping up with the original tempo. You can definitely tell on that one, and I think it works well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 05, 2017, 08:35:17 AM
It's definitely natural for songs to speed up as the tour goes on, but Steve and Nicko play naturally fast to begin with. If you listen closely to the reunion era stuff you'll hear them pushing the tempo a lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 06, 2017, 04:47:11 AM
I appreciate how the band have consciously kept the tempo of Wasted Years relatively close to the original on this tour, well done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 09, 2017, 09:58:12 AM
Overall, I really like TFF a lot, but I found that I never made it through the whole thing since its so damn long. So I trimmed some songs from it, just for its shear length. Like it flirts with being a double album with almost 80 mins of music, but isn't quite there as TBOS is (Which I think is solid from beginning to end)

I took off Isles of avalon and the alchemist. They are fine, but I want to get to the later songs and now I am able to with each listen.

I wish they would have trimmed Isles of avalon down just a tad. There's great parts in it, but it takes its time to get going. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2017, 04:06:44 PM
Avalon is easily one of the best on the album IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2017, 05:16:46 PM
Avalon is definitely a mouthful, but it's an impressive song.  It's amazing that Iron Maiden put out a song like that so deep in their career.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2017, 05:31:42 PM
Avalon is definitely a mouthful, but it's an impressive song.  It's amazing that Iron Maiden put out a song like that so deep in their career.

And they keep doing so.  They push the boundaries and you can't do anything but simply applaud them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2017, 06:06:28 PM
Avalon is definitely a mouthful, but it's an impressive song.  It's amazing that Iron Maiden put out a song like that so deep in their career.

And they keep doing so.  They push the boundaries and you can't do anything but simply applaud them.

Yes they do. I know they catch some flak for some clichés in their songwriting, but they are a band that is NOT standing still. Their writing and playing continue to improve. The Reunion Era is nothing short of amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 10, 2017, 12:00:04 AM
Avalon is the best of TFF, you can't just leave that one out  :omg:

Completely agree that they don't rest on their laurels. They have their style and everything they do is recognizable as Iron Maiden, but they are not writing the same song over and over, there is definitely change and progression in their songwriting and I applaud them for that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 10, 2017, 01:22:18 AM
Avalon really is amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 10, 2017, 01:28:03 AM
Glad to see all the love for Isle of Avalon!

Doing a bit of alternate history... Iron Maiden always had a single song that dictated the theme for the whole album, for example Powerslave is the only song about Egypt, if the album would have been called Rime of the Ancient Mariner, we would have had a ship on the cover.

By this line of reasoning, can you imagine if the single song The Final Frontier wouldn't dictate the futuristic theme of the album, but Isle of Avalon would have been chosen as a title track instead giving the cover and the whole stage set a celtic, fantasy vibe? it could have been beyond cheesy,but done right, it would have been great!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on February 10, 2017, 02:56:15 AM
Isle of Avalon is my third favourite Iron Maiden song ever. It's amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 10, 2017, 05:34:47 AM
Ok, you guys have convinced me. Isle of Avalon stays
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 10, 2017, 05:36:00 AM
Ok, you guys have convinced me. Isle of Avalon stays

 :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 10, 2017, 06:49:43 AM
Take my vote for Avalon being the best of the album, and one of the best in the reunion era, in my opinion. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2017, 07:22:55 AM
Eh, my least favorite on TFF besides S15.  But I also don't like TFF as much as the rest of this forum.  The song definitely has some cool moments and is a pretty unique sound for IM, just don't like the overall end product of the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2017, 09:59:30 AM
Avalon is actually my least favorite of the TFF epics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 10, 2017, 11:12:11 AM
The Talisman is untouchable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2017, 01:29:56 PM
The Talisman is untouchable.

I LOVE that song. Incredible! That is my favorite Reunion Era song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 10, 2017, 01:53:42 PM
The Talisman is actually my least favorite of the TFF epics.

FTFM, but to each his own
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2017, 03:30:26 PM
The Talisman is untouchable.

When the album first came out, for a while this was my least fav of the epics.  Now I'd say it's my fav, this song is magic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on February 10, 2017, 03:35:05 PM
That song came with a built-in advantage for me, since the first version I heard was the live version on En Vivo!  I still rank a lot of other songs on the album a lot higher, but at least I like it, whereas I might have just glossed over it and not paid it as much attention if not for the amazing live version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2017, 03:42:10 PM
Bruce is amazing on it in the verses. The song just picks you up and takes you away.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2017, 04:38:32 PM
Bruce is amazing on it in the verses. The song just picks you up and takes you away.

Yup, he did it in one take too I believe.  My favorite on TFF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 10, 2017, 04:47:20 PM
Holy shit, I am listening to To tame a land and JUST realized its about Dune. Hell yeah, I love this band
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2017, 04:54:18 PM
Holy shit, I am listening to To tame a land and JUST realized its about Dune. Hell yeah, I love this band

So how many years has it been?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 10, 2017, 05:01:33 PM
Since 2009 I guess. But that's with a lot of songs honestly. My biggest issue is that my commute never lets me get to To tame a land, so I was just listening it now, actually concentrating on the lyrics (also I've been on a Dune binge lately) and it all came together.

I was like "Did he just say Muad dib?" It was magical

And while I am at it, I want to give props to Vice City for first getting me in to iron maiden with 2 mins to midnight. First time I ever heard them and then I slowly started getting the albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Awesome song, I believe they wanted to call the song Dune but the author didn't allow them or something along those lines. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 10, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
If they would ever play that live again my life would be complete.

Throw in Alexander the great and I can't even....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2017, 06:08:01 PM
Awesome song, I believe they wanted to call the song Dune but the author didn't allow them or something along those lines.

Correct.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 10, 2017, 06:21:30 PM
My respect for Frank Herbert definitely has dropped. When a god tier band wants to immortalize your work in an epic song, you say "yes master"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2017, 06:23:06 PM
My respect for Frank Herbert definitely has dropped. When a god tier band wants to immortalize your work in an epic song, you say "yes master"

Well, you have to remember that this was early 1983, and Maiden had caught some flak for The Number Of The Beast being Satanically influenced. He really wanted no part of that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2017, 06:52:14 PM
My respect for Frank Herbert definitely has dropped. When a god tier band wants to immortalize your work in an epic song, you say "yes master"

Well, you have to remember that this was early 1983, and Maiden had caught some flak for The Number Of The Beast being Satanically influenced. He really wanted no part of that.

I thought he saw they were a metal band and was immediately not interested in letting them use the name.  Sucks for him, probably would have helped sell some books.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2017, 06:58:34 PM
Bruce pretty much made sure he was called an asshole in every city in the world that year! :lol


To Tame A Land is such an awesome title! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2017, 07:01:48 PM
Yea the title is sick, I'd love for them to bring that back live.  At least it was played unlike Alexander
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 10, 2017, 08:16:27 PM
such a classic song!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 10, 2017, 10:38:44 PM
Great song, but I don't think Bruce could still pull off that bridge.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 11, 2017, 12:10:39 AM
I have a very fond love for Piece of Mind, so many great tracks on that album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 11, 2017, 12:31:19 AM
Piece Of Mind might be my favorite IM record, I think somewhere in this thread I have ranked it at number one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 11, 2017, 04:42:01 AM
I have a very fond love for Piece of Mind, so many great tracks on that album.

Piece Of Mind might be my favorite IM record, I think somewhere in this thread I have ranked it at number one.

I'm a Piece of Mind fanboy as well. Sound is great, songs are mindblowingly awesome, Bruce is emperor of the vocals and it contains the song that had the avalanche effect of making me love Bruce's voice, Iron Maiden and heavy metal in general: Revelations. I still call it my favorite album from them, even though there are dinosaurs walking with humans.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 11, 2017, 06:06:02 AM
Yeah, Revelations is a top ten IM song and one of Bruce's finest vocal performances.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 11, 2017, 06:07:12 AM
Yeah, Revelations is a top ten IM song and one of Bruce's finest vocal performances.  :metal

"She came to me with a serpent's kiss
As the Eye of the Sun rose on her lips
Moonlight catches silver tears I cry"

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2017, 06:24:09 AM
Cool story (I think):  Iron Maiden, New Haven Coliseum, some time in '83, Coney Hatch (SUCKED) and Fastway (AMAZING) as the opening bands.  I'm with my friend, and we have front row on the side, so we're kind of looking down from stage left on the band (I can also see the backstage area). 

Maiden had a desk on the side of the stage; In between CH and Fastway, Bruce came out and was talking with the guy at that desk (it was kind of a mixing board, but not the main one that was back on the floor).  He was cool; shorts, and black leather jacket.  I yelled down to him and he was very nice; waved and said "hey mate!".   Later, Maiden takes the stage to "Where Eagles Dare", and the band is playing and he goes out for his cue, and his mike is not working.  He looks over, yells something, but starts singing it anyway, and I swear, you could hear him ACOUSTICALLY over the band playing at full volume.  A friend said it was probably my brain putting the vocals in where they belong, but I swear I heard him singing.  After the first verse, he came back over, and he's on the roadie at the desk in front of us, yelling (it sounded a lot like "Mission from 'arry", if you're familiar) and he goes back for the second verse, and after the first line or so, the mike kicks on and you can hear him (it took a couple words to realize he was miked, so it sounded like he was screaming) but it was still very cool.    Bruce has pretty much been my favorite front man from that point on. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 11, 2017, 07:55:30 AM
 :lol

You aren't the only one to see Bruce yelling at the side soundboard guy.

Before I got on stage for Heaven Can Wait at MSG in 2008, the power infamously went out during Powerslave.  I was sitting in the first few rows on the side of the stage behind the side soundboard guy.  Bruce came soaring back there and yelling at the guy.  I could hear it but not make out words.  He was intense, and then came back out to the stage and started kicking a soccer ball to entertain the crowd.  Amazing.  :metal

https://youtu.be/jMqoOLlvYYw?t=7m53s (https://youtu.be/jMqoOLlvYYw?t=7m53s) Time stamped it for the end for Bruce's short but sweet speech to continue the show  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
So I'm at work now and I had to do some desk work so I put on a Maiden shuffle on Spotify.
Afraid To Shoot Strangers came up and it stopped me dead in my tracks. Damn what a fantastic song. It's been a while since I really just sat and listened to it. Amazing track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 11, 2017, 10:46:12 AM
Afraid To Shoot Strangers pretty much wrote the blueprint on the way Maiden structure their songs now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 11, 2017, 02:26:33 PM
I LOVE that little acoustic part at the end of The Prophecy.  :heart
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on February 11, 2017, 05:41:23 PM
If you've never heard Blaze's live version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers, do yourself a favor and check it out. It's the ONLY Bruce song that I thought Blaze did even better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 11, 2017, 07:49:35 PM
I don't think Blaze was better, but it's definitely his best Bruce song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2017, 07:50:12 PM
I don't think Blaze was better, but it's definitely his best Bruce song.

Yeah, I agree.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2017, 05:43:01 AM
I don't think Blaze was better, but it's definitely his best Bruce song.

Yeah, I agree.

Yup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2017, 01:54:49 PM
Blaze did okay on quite a few.  Strangers was his best though.  Wrathchild, Heaven Can Wait and Evil That Men Do were pretty solid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 13, 2017, 02:26:41 AM
His version of Strangers was the first I heard of that song, since my introduction to IM was the Best Of The Beast compilation.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 13, 2017, 06:41:32 AM
Yeah, Revelations is a top ten IM song and one of Bruce's finest vocal performances.  :metal

"She came to me with a serpent's kiss
As the Eye of the Sun rose on her lips
Moonlight catches silver tears I cry"

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I remember I used to obsesively watch Live After Death during my teens when I thought I was the biggest fan in the world, atleast next to my buddy how introduced me to them. Way before internet so my worldview was pretty limited.  :D Anyway the part when Bruce asks everyone "can you feel it" still sticks with me to this day even when I hear the album version.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 13, 2017, 07:09:00 AM
Any other 'Somewhere in Time' fans here?   It's my fav Maiden album.  The title track and 'Sea of Madness' is in my opinion are the lost Maiden classics that they should play live much more than they did.

Also I'm one of the few fans who like 'No Prayer'.  I'm not saying it's a great album, but for me it's miles better than the other three 90's albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on February 13, 2017, 07:12:37 AM
I prefer TXF to No Prayer, but I do agree that it's a lot better than FOTD and VXI. There's some really questionable stuff on No Prayer (Bring Your Daughter, I'm looking at you), but when it's good (like the title track and Run Silent Run Deep), it's really good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 13, 2017, 07:17:09 AM
I prefer TXF to No Prayer, but I do agree that it's a lot better than FOTD and VXI. There's some really questionable stuff on No Prayer (Bring Your Daughter, I'm looking at you), but when it's good (like the title track and Run Silent Run Deep), it's really good.

Bring your Daughter isn't a classic to say the least!  but at least it's not boring like several songs on Fear of the Dark - I swear to God that album sometimes gets a free pass because of the title track.  I think it's easily the worst Maiden album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 13, 2017, 07:25:44 AM
Yeah, Revelations is a top ten IM song and one of Bruce's finest vocal performances.  :metal

"She came to me with a serpent's kiss
As the Eye of the Sun rose on her lips
Moonlight catches silver tears I cry"

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I remember I used to obsesively watch Live After Death during my teens when I thought I was the biggest fan in the world, atleast next to my buddy how introduced me to them. Way before internet so my worldview was pretty limited.  :D Anyway the part when Bruce asks everyone "can you feel it" still sticks with me to this day even when I hear the album version.  :lol

Same when I hear any other version of Flight of Icarus, I always add

As the sun breaks above the crowd
An old man stands on the hill
LET IT GO!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 13, 2017, 07:34:30 AM
Any other 'Somewhere in Time' fans here?   It's my fav Maiden album.  The title track and 'Sea of Madness' is in my opinion are the lost Maiden classics that they should play live much more than they did.

It's tied with Seventh Son as my favourite Maiden album. And I agree about Sea Of Madness - one of their very best ones.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on February 13, 2017, 07:47:40 AM
I love me some Somewhere in Time. Is there any better string of album than Killers--->SSOASS?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 13, 2017, 08:06:45 AM
Any love for "Back In The Village"?   Love that song, and I'm pretty partial to Powerslave as my favorite album.  That side two is absolutely killer,
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 13, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
I love me some Somewhere in Time. Is there any better string of album than Killers--->SSOASS?

Yeah I can think of one.

Iron Maiden ----> SSOASS :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on February 13, 2017, 09:28:22 AM
Any love for "Back In The Village"?   Love that song, and I'm pretty partial to Powerslave as my favorite album.  That side two is absolutely killer,

Love Back In The Village! Fantastic chorus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 13, 2017, 10:48:01 AM
Any love for "Back In The Village"?   Love that song, and I'm pretty partial to Powerslave as my favorite album.  That side two is absolutely killer,
Good to see some more appreciation. I've always thought I was alone on this. However, I usually go as far as to say Back in the village is my favorite song on Powerslave, so I'm definitely alone on that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 13, 2017, 12:27:31 PM
While we're at it, throw some love for Deja-vu.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 13, 2017, 12:30:38 PM
"Feel like I've been here befooore"  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 12:37:34 PM
While we're at it, throw some love for Deja-vu.  :tup

Honestly I was just thinking that.  Everyone's throwing their love for unpopular songs and this is the one that came right to my mind.  I LOVE it so much.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 13, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
Yeah, Revelations is a top ten IM song and one of Bruce's finest vocal performances.  :metal

"She came to me with a serpent's kiss
As the Eye of the Sun rose on her lips
Moonlight catches silver tears I cry"

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I remember I used to obsesively watch Live After Death during my teens when I thought I was the biggest fan in the world, atleast next to my buddy how introduced me to them. Way before internet so my worldview was pretty limited.  :D Anyway the part when Bruce asks everyone "can you feel it" still sticks with me to this day even when I hear the album version.  :lol

Same when I hear any other version of Flight of Icarus, I always add

As the sun breaks above the crowd
An old man stands on the hill
LET IT GO!!!!
Yea that's cool. It's amazing though how better Bruce sounds on the Flight 666 compared to LAD even though it's 24 years later.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on February 13, 2017, 01:34:04 PM
Yeah, Revelations is a top ten IM song and one of Bruce's finest vocal performances.  :metal

"She came to me with a serpent's kiss
As the Eye of the Sun rose on her lips
Moonlight catches silver tears I cry"

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I remember I used to obsesively watch Live After Death during my teens when I thought I was the biggest fan in the world, atleast next to my buddy how introduced me to them. Way before internet so my worldview was pretty limited.  :D Anyway the part when Bruce asks everyone "can you feel it" still sticks with me to this day even when I hear the album version.  :lol

Same when I hear any other version of Flight of Icarus, I always add

As the sun breaks above the crowd
An old man stands on the hill
LET IT GO!!!!
Yea that's cool. It's amazing though how better Bruce sounds on the Flight 666 compared to LAD even though it's 24 years later.

I remember reading somewhere about their tour schedule at the time that LAD was recorded. To call it insane would be an understatement. I think that he was tired more than anything else. In fact, I don't think that he really got full command of his voice back until the mid/late 90's.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2017, 01:35:24 PM
The insert on the LAD CD has all the dates for the tour.  It's insane how much they toured at that time. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 13, 2017, 01:53:29 PM
The insert on the LAD CD has all the dates for the tour.  It's insane how much they toured at that time.

The album sleeve also had the set up times for the road crew. In my college Public Speaking class, one of my oral presentations was the set up of a rock concert by the crew, and I totally ripped off the LAD info.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 13, 2017, 01:54:13 PM
Yea that certainly played a part because he does sound exhausted on LAD. I still think his voice has matured well even though he struggles with really high notes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 14, 2017, 02:15:52 AM
They talk about that in the documentary part of the 'Maiden England' dvd. How everybody was pretty much fried after that tour, especially Bruce. Pretty risky move to come up with a concept album after that!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on February 14, 2017, 04:59:34 AM
While we're at it, throw some love for Deja-vu.  :tup

Honestly I was just thinking that.  Everyone's throwing their love for unpopular songs and this is the one that came right to my mind.  I LOVE it so much.  :metal

One of only 4 songs I can listen to on the album
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 14, 2017, 05:20:32 AM
Sorry if this has been done before, ignore me if it has - but what are people ranking of the 5 post reunion albums.

I find it really hard to rank them as they are so consistant, but..

1. Dance of Death.
2. Book of Souls.
3. Final Frontier.
4. Brave New World.
5. Matter of Life and Death.

The first 4 are so close, I put Matter last but even that is more for the production than the song quality.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 14, 2017, 06:08:54 AM
I´d rank the more recent albums like this:

1. Dance of Death.
1. Book of Souls
2. Dance of Death.
3. Brave New World.
4. A Matter of Life and Death.
5. Final Frontier.

I listened to "AMOLAD" and Final Frontier recently, and there were a few songs in there that I didn´t even remembered they existed...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on February 14, 2017, 06:21:54 AM
1. A Matter of Life and Death
2. The Final Frontier
3. The Book of Souls
4. Brave New World
5. Dance of Death
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 14, 2017, 06:40:17 AM
1. Brave New World.
2. Book of Souls
3. A Matter of Life and Death.
4. The Final Frontier.
5. Dance of Death.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on February 14, 2017, 07:06:21 AM
Wow this was harder than I thought.

1. AMOLAD
2. Brave New World
3. Book of Souls
4. Dance of Death
5. The Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on February 14, 2017, 07:44:33 AM
Wow this was harder than I thought.

1. AMOLAD
2. Brave New World
3. Book of Souls
4. Dance of Death
5. The Final Frontier

This would be my ranking. Sorry to steal your rankings kaos  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 14, 2017, 07:49:29 AM
Wow this was harder than I thought.

1. AMOLAD
2. Brave New World
3. Book of Souls
4. Dance of Death
5. The Final Frontier

This would be my ranking. Sorry to steal your rankings kaos  :rollin

Stealing it as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 14, 2017, 08:39:39 AM
Wow this was harder than I thought.

1. AMOLAD
2. Brave New World
3. Book of Souls
4. Dance of Death
5. The Final Frontier

No kidding; I've done this list a couple times now for varying reasons, and I feel like it's different every time.   They're all at least "very good", so to separate them... it's really hard.  It usually comes down to mood for me (though I will say, Dance of Death is usually number one, because I love Wildest Dreams and Journeyman so much). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on February 14, 2017, 11:31:45 AM
A Matter of Life and Death
Brave New World
Book of Souls
Final Frontier
Dance of Death
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on February 14, 2017, 11:39:39 AM
Other than the fact that you put yours upside down, it's not bad.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on February 14, 2017, 11:48:15 AM
Brave New World
Book of Souls
Dance of Death
Final Frontier
A Matter of Life and Death (the dry sound on this one drives me nuts). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 14, 2017, 11:48:36 AM
Any love for "Back In The Village"?   Love that song, and I'm pretty partial to Powerslave as my favorite album.  That side two is absolutely killer,

Love Back In The Village! Fantastic chorus.

Listening to Powerslave now...the first metal album I ever listened to, and one that started my Maiden fandom. I got this for Christmas in 1984 - I asked dad for The Number of the Beast, but being from a catholic family, I think dad thought it would be too satanic. A few days later - January 11th - Maiden would play Rock in Rio for the first time, and watching it on the TV changed my life forever. Someone mentioned the crazyness of the LAD dates, and it´s true - they were playing North America, came down to Rio for a one-off, and then got back to NY. I think that tour filled their pockets but almost broke them down emotionally.

Hey, I´m enjoying posting here in DTF, after being suspended simply by saing "the album has leaked" - no links or any other kind of mention of where to find it, I didn´t even say I got it - when Book of Souls came out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 14, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
Brave New World
A Matter of Life and Death
Dance of Death
Book of Souls
Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on February 14, 2017, 12:28:21 PM
Listening to X-Factor now. Interesting album. Some really good songs, but the production is weak and I'm not a huge Blaze fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on February 14, 2017, 12:36:08 PM
Other than the fact that you put yours upside down, it's not bad.

Listen, 1ksob, it's not my fault you have bad taste.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 14, 2017, 12:37:34 PM
Listening to X-Factor now. Interesting album. Some really good songs, but the production is weak and I'm not a huge Blaze fan.

underrated album for sure!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on February 14, 2017, 01:31:12 PM
I don't get why people love Brave New World so much. It's a good album, sure, but there's like three songs in there that I wouldn't sweat if they were completely banished from existance (The Wicker Man, Brave New World and The Mercenary), and I rarely come back to Blood Brothers. Sure, Ghost of the Navigator and the last five songs are awesome, but the album is far too inconsistent to rank among the top for especially when compared with albums like A Matter of Life and Death and The Final Frontier, which are both front-to-back brilliant.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on February 14, 2017, 01:38:41 PM
I generally agree with you about BNW, and I put AMOLAD in the same category.  With both albums, I find myself tuning out after awhile and just not paying attention.  As you say, they aren't bad albums.  But they also aren't anywhere near the quality of the other reunion albums. 

Since we HAVE TO rank everything at DTF:

1.  The Final Frontier:  Best Iron Maiden album, period.
2.  Dance of Death:  A close second in the reunion era.  Only some of the classic era albums beat it (Piece of Mind, and probably NOTB and Somewhere In Time, depending on my mood).
3.  The Book of Souls:  Not as good as the two above it, despite having more material.  But still some good songs.
4.  AMOLAD
5.  BNW
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on February 14, 2017, 01:41:01 PM
I don't get why people love Brave New World so much. It's a good album, sure, but there's like three songs in there that I wouldn't sweat if they were completely banished from existance (The Wicker Man, Brave New World and The Mercenary), and I rarely come back to Blood Brothers. Sure, Ghost of the Navigator and the last five songs are awesome, but the album is far too inconsistent to rank among the top for especially when compared with albums like A Matter of Life and Death and The Final Frontier, which are both front-to-back brilliant.

Personal preference. 

I saw them for the first time in 1999 and Brave New World followed a year later.  They (and I) were riding high on the reunion with Bruce and Adrian and this album was a monster comeback for them.  Every song on that album is awesome, and I'd listen to that record all the time along with Rock in Rio.  I've spent 16 years with that album and it can bring me back to those years when I was in college and loved that record to death.

Then comes Dance of Death, AMOLD and Final Frontier.  Yes, it's Maiden, yes, they're awesome, but those albums are where I find the big clunker songs, especially as they kept getting longer and longer (especially on AMOLD).  Those songs don't hit me as hard as Dream of Mirrors did.  Kind of a been there, done that, feeling with some of that stuff.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 14, 2017, 01:42:48 PM
I don't get why people love Brave New World so much. It's a good album, sure, but there's like three songs in there that I wouldn't sweat if they were completely banished from existance (The Wicker Man, Brave New World and The Mercenary), and I rarely come back to Blood Brothers. Sure, Ghost of the Navigator and the last five songs are awesome, but the album is far too inconsistent to rank among the top for especially when compared with albums like A Matter of Life and Death and The Final Frontier, which are both front-to-back brilliant.

You just named 3 of the best songs, to me, on that album and that's why it's so strong IMO.  I would label songs like Falling Angel and Out of the Silent Planet as the filler type songs, but even then, those songs are still pretty solid.  Nomad is the only one that kind of bores me on BNW.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on February 14, 2017, 01:45:30 PM
Most days, I would rather listen to Rock in Rio than most of the reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 15, 2017, 12:39:21 AM
Coming back to the second side of Powerslave, that is indeed one of the best section of hardrock/metal songs in history of mankind. Not only the titletrack and Mariner, but back in the village, the duelists and I'd add Flash of the blade and heck even Los 'fer words in there as well. I don't think I've ever heard Maiden as tight as on that album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Scorpion on February 15, 2017, 12:42:16 AM
I don't necessarily disagree, but you're really stretching the definition of what constitutes the second side of an album. :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 15, 2017, 01:04:11 AM
Yeah well...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 15, 2017, 01:08:29 AM
1. A Matter of life and death
2. Dance of death
3. The Book of souls
4. The Final frontier
5. Brave new world
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 15, 2017, 03:11:19 AM
1. Brave new world
2. Book of souls
3. Matter of live and death
4. TFF
5. Dance of death

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on February 15, 2017, 03:48:29 AM
1. Brave New World
2. A Matter of Life and Death
3. Dance of Death
4. The Book of Souls
5. The Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 15, 2017, 06:12:53 AM
I don't necessarily disagree, but you're really stretching the definition of what constitutes the second side of an album. :P

What's the second side?  :biggrin: I wasn't a young enough fan to have any maiden albums on cassette so I can't relate to the album sides.  But I do love me some Flash of the Blade.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 15, 2017, 06:16:55 AM
Coming back to the second side of Powerslave, that is indeed one of the best section of hardrock/metal songs in history of mankind. Not only the titletrack and Mariner, but back in the village, the duelists and I'd add Flash of the blade and heck even Los 'fer words in there as well. I don't think I've ever heard Maiden as tight as on that album.

I'm a huge fan of The Duelists. Love the long instrumental section.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 15, 2017, 09:29:40 AM
I don't necessarily disagree, but you're really stretching the definition of what constitutes the second side of an album. :P

What's the second side?  :biggrin: I wasn't a young enough fan to have any maiden albums on cassette so I can't relate to the album sides.  But I do love me some Flash of the Blade.

I have that classic on vinyl - that cover in full size is a thing to behold.  It's the ONE THING I miss from the vinyl days.

Side One:
1. Aces High
2. Two Minutes to Midnight
3. Los 'fer Words (Big 'orrah)
4. Flash of the Blade
5. Duellists

Side Two:
1. Back In The Village
2. Powerslave
3. Rime of the Ancient Mariner

(And yes, I did that from memory, though I confess I had to check the order of FotB and Duellists). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 15, 2017, 09:30:48 AM
, though I confess I had to check the order of FotB and Duellists).

You're not a real fan then! :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 15, 2017, 09:54:31 AM
I don't necessarily disagree, but you're really stretching the definition of what constitutes the second side of an album. :P

What's the second side?  :biggrin: I wasn't a young enough fan to have any maiden albums on cassette so I can't relate to the album sides.  But I do love me some Flash of the Blade.

I have that classic on vinyl - that cover in full size is a thing to behold.  It's the ONE THING I miss from the vinyl days.

Side One:
1. Aces High
2. Two Minutes to Midnight
3. Los 'fer Words (Big 'orrah)
4. Flash of the Blade
5. Duellists

Side Two:
1. Back In The Village
2. Powerslave
3. Rime of the Ancient Mariner

(And yes, I did that from memory, though I confess I had to check the order of FotB and Duellists).

Should have checked that! As an excuse, most of my vinyls are somewhere in an attic though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 15, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
The best was the vinyl to Live After Death. Open that gatefold and  :omg:

Similar to Kiss Alive II. But better!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 15, 2017, 09:58:25 AM
That side A is awfully strong too.  It would be interesting to see new albums broken into a side a and side b now and if that would impact how people view songs.  For example, I was never a big fan of Back in the Village, but if it was the first track before the two big ones, maybe I'd view it differently instead of it being the last and least favorite of the shorter tracks before the two big ones? Not sure though
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 15, 2017, 10:00:21 AM
Believe it or not, when Powerslave first came out, I was not a huge fan of it and Back In The Village was my first favorite track from it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 15, 2017, 10:49:16 AM
Yea that's cool. It's amazing though how better Bruce sounds on the Flight 666 compared to LAD even though it's 24 years later.

I remember reading somewhere about their tour schedule at the time that LAD was recorded. To call it insane would be an understatement. I think that he was tired more than anything else. In fact, I don't think that he really got full command of his voice back until the mid/late 90's.
You can always tell how big a tour is by the cities they play in Texas. Not sure Waco has gotten a show that big since. The amazing part is that they played all of those cities in less than a year. Often 4 nights on, one night off when logistics permitted. It's no wonder Bruce's voice was shot. In any case, LAD was recorded closer to the end than the beginning and it showed. While he still wasn't the Bruce we have today, you can watch Behind the Iron Curtain, which was the opening dates of the tour, and he sounds much better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 15, 2017, 11:58:01 AM
Even if Bruce's voice was shot (and you can definitely hear that it was) Live After Death transports a whole lot of raw energy, thus making it a great live record.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 15, 2017, 12:02:57 PM
Even if Bruce's voice was shot (and you can definitely hear that it was) Live After Death transports a whole lot of raw energy, thus making it a great live record.

Yea, the energy is great on that live album and Bruce's voice never bothered me on that album.  I actually like a lot of his added "oohs" and whatnot to the songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on February 15, 2017, 01:11:16 PM
I've always been a fan of Maiden Japan. Tons of energy on that one as well. Remember Tomorrow is one of my all time favorite songs, and Dave's extended solo on that version is absolutely amazing!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 15, 2017, 02:26:16 PM
I've always been a fan of Maiden Japan. Tons of energy on that one as well. Remember Tomorrow is one of my all time favorite songs, and Dave's extended solo on that version is absolutely amazing!

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 16, 2017, 11:46:49 AM
I've always been a fan of Maiden Japan. Tons of energy on that one as well. Remember Tomorrow is one of my all time favorite songs, and Dave's extended solo on that version is absolutely amazing!

That Dave solo is amazing!!! I was waiting for a new rendition of it when I saw that Remember Tomorrow was on "A Real Dead One", but he gracefully declined to play it, and stuck with the studio version...meh.

I also like the version of Innocent Exile on Maiden Japan, and you can´t beat Dianno´s scream on the first chorus of Running Free: "I´m running free yeah, COME ON!!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 16, 2017, 12:15:48 PM
When it comes to raw energy early Maiden is the best, obviously there's logical reasons but I also think the early more "punky" feel of their songs was naturally more raw. I know Steve with a passion denies any link to punk but I do think there's some influences. Both Maiden Japan and Beast over Hammersmith are excellent! The energy on Murders in the.... are out of this world.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 01:18:12 PM
When it comes to raw energy early Maiden is the best, obviously there's logical reasons but I also think the early more "punky" feel of their songs was naturally more raw. I know Steve with a passion denies any link to punk but I do think there's some influences. Both Maiden Japan and Beast over Hammersmith are excellent! The energy on Murders in the.... are out of this world.

Yea I agree.  Being a punk fan before I got into metal, the Dianno albums definitely have a punk vibe to them.  It's no surprise that a record label offered them a deal to play punk music at the time.  Luckily they stuck to their guts and declined.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 16, 2017, 03:07:04 PM
How wonder how big and how much success the band would have had if Paul had stayed in the band.  I think there clearly wouldn't have been the crossover appeal that Bruce brought to the band.  I know they were a fairly successful band with the first two albums, but how much bigger would they have gotten.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
How wonder how big and how much success the band would have had if Paul had stayed in the band.  I think there clearly wouldn't have been the crossover appeal that Bruce brought to the band.  I know they were a fairly successful band with the first two albums, but how much bigger would they have gotten.

Not much since they wouldn't of been able to tour extensively with Paul.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 16, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
Also just say that booze/drugs weren't an issue, how big would they have gotten with Paul as the lead singer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 03:32:25 PM
A bit harder to guess.  I still don't think they'd have gotten as big, but probably would have grown from where they were since they were still young and just starting.  I'm not sure they could have made a NotB type of album to get that big commercial hit, but that doesn't mean they couldn't continue building upon the IM/Killers sound and grew with that, because that was still very solid music.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 16, 2017, 03:33:09 PM
Look, Steve Harris is no dummy.  I think they knew they hit the wall with Di'Anno.  They would have figured out a way to continue with him if there was any sense to continuing with him.  I think Steve Harris wanted to do more things and branch out in new ways and he was being held back by Paul Di'Anno.  No knock on Paul - Killers is an unbelievable album, and in my Maiden top three - but Di'Anno never in a million years could have pulled off the Powerslave album and tour. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 17, 2017, 12:36:31 AM
It's an interesting discussion. I mean, I Love Classic Maiden with Paul. I became a fan with Killers and the s/t. album. The energy that they propelled from the stage is usurpassed by any other band from that era. Bruce brought that enormous extra range and stage presence (which Paul absolutely wasn't lacking) to the band. But Paul was at the his limit as far as growth is concerned. The argument, however, that he was constantly boozed up or whatever doesn't really hold water with me, I mean, come on, they pretty much all were pretty boozed up half of the time, just not before the gig. The thing is, they had a management and a bassplayer who saw the BIG picture and were shooting for the highest level and some get that, and  are able to follow along for that ride and some just don't. Look at their touring schedules in those years, my God. The were being worked to Death. And it was all for the greater good in the end, but history is full of bandmembers that are left by the wayside when ambition kicks in.

Look at Beast over Hammersmith with Clive Burr still in the drumseat. I mean I love Nicko, but Maiden will NEVER, never, never achieve that same groove anymore without Clive.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 17, 2017, 02:20:52 AM
Look at Beast over Hammersmith with Clive Burr still in the drumseat. I mean I love Nicko, but Maiden will NEVER, never, never achieve that same groove anymore without Clive.
Nicko is a childhood hero to me, always loved his drumming especially on Piece on Mind but his personality and funny character is what made him so unique to me. Those stupid and hilarious Listen with Nicko episodes he did for example.  :lol In general, like Portnoy was to DT he's been a great ambassador for Maiden through the years and a great rolemodel just like Bruce.

I agree though because later years I started to appreciate Clive more and more and realised how diffrent his playing really was to Nicko. Clive Burr was a great live drummer just listen to those early live concerts, his energy and groove was on point. He's also responsible for alot of those classic and iconic Maiden drumbeats like Run to the hills, Running Free, Number of the Beast and others.
He definitely was important in boosting the classic Maiden sound. I love his drumming on The Beast..., Children of the Damned, Transylvania, The Prisoner, The Phantom..., Hallowed be...., Murders in the....., Purgatory, Killers, Gangland, Invaders and the list goes on...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 17, 2017, 03:13:13 AM
Exactly. I seriously had to physically do a double take when I bought 'Piece of Mind' when the first track kicked off. I mean, from a merely technical standpoint McBrain's drumming was not one, but probably ten steps up. That intro fill into Where eagles dare alone. I mean, are you *fricking* kidding me!? But it still took a while to get used to for me. It was also a thing of: What, they replaced Clive as well now? Where is this going? In the end off course history proved them right, but it was still something to take in at the time. Also, there were some very interesting musical changes going on in that album. It wasn't just an all out '100mph metalband anymore, they added some nice depth to their songs. All the more kudo's for the band for sticking with their guns for all that time and to still be going strong to this day. Up the Hammers!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 17, 2017, 03:57:23 AM
While there´s no shortage of talent in Paul, I don´t think Maiden would have gone far if he stayed with the band, simply due to his lack of professionalism. He had lots of chances of pulling a successful solo career - look at some of his solo stuff: Battlezone, Killers, the Nomad album, and right up to Architects of Chaoz. All cool stuff, but quickly discarded just so he could tour once again playing Maiden songs "for the last time"...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 17, 2017, 05:18:31 AM
Not sure where Maiden would have ended up with Paul.  But I'm pretty sure Maiden would have died a horrible death if they'd stuck with Blaze - nothing against Blaze, but it just wasn't a good fit at all....and like Paul he wasn't up to the relentless touring Maiden tended to do.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 17, 2017, 05:30:57 AM
I tried to block the whole Blaze period from memory...  :\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 17, 2017, 05:40:52 AM
I can only understand Blaze being in that band due to Wolfsbane and Maiden having the same management then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2017, 06:32:16 AM
As much as I am a fan of Blaze overall, I do agree, Maiden was going to be done for good if they continued that path after Virtual XI.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 17, 2017, 06:41:00 AM
I can only understand Blaze being in that band due to Wolfsbane and Maiden having the same management then.

And Blaze being british, Steve would have never allowed a foreigner in Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 17, 2017, 06:47:53 AM
Imagine if Dio had applied for the job....  :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 17, 2017, 06:56:44 AM
The universe would have imploded  ;D no way he would have been able to give his own touch to Maiden like he did with Sabbath when he joined.

I wonder if in their subconscious they chose what was surely not a proper fit (I respect Blaze and his early solo albums are brilliant, but he wasn't fit for Maiden just like my beloved and much admired James LaBrie isn't fit to replace James Hetfield in Metallica) 'cause they knew deep down that sometime Bruce would have returned, so why bother with finding the second coming of Christ vocal wise.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2017, 06:58:35 AM
Yo Stadler.....

Quote
Due to overwhelming demand, IRON MAIDEN have added a second night at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center on Saturday July 22nd.
Tickets go on sale Saturday February 25th at 10am via Ticketmaster.com - fanclub presale takes place on Tuesday.

Now am I going to have to go a third time?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on February 17, 2017, 07:30:58 AM
I'm pretty sure I'm just going to go for a ticket for the Saturday show, gives me an opportunity to get ample pre-show drinking in around NYC.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 17, 2017, 07:52:57 AM
Well I already booked a hotel for the friday night in brooklyn, looks like I'll just chill in Brooklyn for the weekend
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on February 17, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
On the "What if they would have stuck with Paul?" argument....

I think its fun to imagine what would have became of Number of the Beast.   Because I imagine that the same words and riffs would have been written (because the writing team would not have changed), but you would just have *completely* different vocal melodies.  I'm not sure what would have happened, but it would have been interesting to hear if I could travel to an alternate time line.

The only song that is not too hard to imagine (and almost sounds like it could have been written with Paul in mind) is Invaders.  Something about the staccato delivery of the verses just sounds like something Paul would have really done well.   The others, I think, would sound extremely different.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 17, 2017, 10:17:38 PM
Well funny you bring up Invaders because in some ways it is a spiritual successor to a song called Invasion, which was one of the first songs they ever recorded but never made it on any albums. It was on their demo tape and also was the b-side for Women in Uniform (another song that never appeared on any albums).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSq1U5HWBZo

So I wouldn't be surprised if Steve was in the process of reworking that song until it finally became Invaders. They both have a similar energy and mix of aggression/melody. I always thought of all the NOTB songs, Invaders would be the most at home on Killers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on February 17, 2017, 10:27:34 PM
The only song that is not too hard to imagine (and almost sounds like it could have been written with Paul in mind) is Invaders.  Something about the staccato delivery of the verses just sounds like something Paul would have really done well.   The others, I think, would sound extremely different.

There's actually a very early version of that song on the soundhouse tapes. It was a demo that the band did in '79. The song is called invasion at that point, and it might be one of the most awful things that I've ever heard in my life. At least, I've heard people say that it's what inspired Invaders. They do sound a lot different.

Edit: Me and Mosh must have been typing at the same time. Ninja'd
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 21, 2017, 03:29:21 AM
Bruce doing a keynote on entrepreneurism. Pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCP_57wD5U
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2017, 08:20:28 AM
Got my floor tickets for the 2nd Brooklyn show  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 21, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
Bruce doing a keynote on entrepreneurism. Pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCP_57wD5U

I´m halfway through it...he´s amazing!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on February 21, 2017, 11:33:56 AM
Damn, looks like they took the video down.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 21, 2017, 11:57:17 AM
Damn, looks like they took the video down.

Yeah, I paused it for a toilet break when there were only 08 minutes left, and couldn´t finish it!!!!

Modified to add that I did manage to get this out of the lecture: "When you really want something, EVERYTHING ELSE is just a bump on the road."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2017, 12:10:55 PM
"When you really want something, EVERYTHING ELSE is just a bump on the road."

 :metal I'm a big believer of where there's a will, there's a way.  Pretty hard to stop a determined person.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 21, 2017, 12:21:05 PM
Tell me about it, man...I´ve been hanging on to a job for months on end, just waiting for my visa to come out and move out of the country. Everyday is a bore to get here at 08am, sit around doing nothing and leaving at 5pm with the feeling of wasting my life away. But when I think that the visa should come out in April and I´ll be able to quit this job, eveyrhing is worth while.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 21, 2017, 12:25:36 PM
Tell me about it, man...I´ve been hanging on to a job for months on end, just waiting for my visa to come out and move out of the country. Everyday is a bore to get here at 08am, sit around doing nothing and leaving at 5pm with the feeling of wasting my life away. But when I think that the visa should come out in April and I´ll be able to quit this job, eveyrhing is worth while.

Yea man, nothing is easy in life.  If you want something, you got to go out and get it.  Hope you get your visa soon and things improve for you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Bruce doing a keynote on entrepreneurism. Pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCP_57wD5U

I will definitely been watching this.  Bruce is an amazing speaker.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 22, 2017, 05:22:16 AM
Tell me about it, man...I´ve been hanging on to a job for months on end, just waiting for my visa to come out and move out of the country. Everyday is a bore to get here at 08am, sit around doing nothing and leaving at 5pm with the feeling of wasting my life away. But when I think that the visa should come out in April and I´ll be able to quit this job, eveyrhing is worth while.

Yea man, nothing is easy in life.  If you want something, you got to go out and get it.  Hope you get your visa soon and things improve for you.

Thank you!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 27, 2017, 05:45:01 AM
If I had to pick a personal favorite Maiden album, it would be Somewhere in time.

I just absolutely adore this album. From the killer songs to the time travel theme. I just love it
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2017, 06:32:47 AM
If I had to pick a personal favorite Maiden album, it would be Somewhere in time.

I just absolutely adore this album. From the killer songs to the time travel theme. I just love it

Plus the Blade Runner album cover!

It's close with Seventh Son as my favourite Maiden album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on March 01, 2017, 01:35:01 AM
So at the risk of being run out of here with pitchforks :

Does anyone else think Number of the Beast is overrated?   I don't think it's a bad album at all, but in relation to the rest of Maidens discography, for me at least it's nowhere near the top.  Brilliant, no actually Iconic artwork, great couple of singles, 'Hallowed' is a masterpiece and I'd always like 'The Prisoner' but the other 4 (or 5 is you include Total Ecilpse') are pretty underwhelming with 'Invaders' and 'Gangland' actually being poor Maiden songs.

I'd put it above well above Fear of the Dark and the 2 Blaze albums (I don't really like these 3 much) - slightly ahead of Killers and about on a par with the Debut, Matter of Life and Death and No Prayer  :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on March 01, 2017, 02:03:45 AM
So at the risk of being run out of here with pitchforks :

Does anyone else think Number of the Beast is overrated?   I don't think it's a bad album at all, but in relation to the rest of Maidens discography, for me at least it's nowhere near the top.  Brilliant, no actually Iconic artwork, great couple of singles, 'Hallowed' is a masterpiece and I'd always like 'The Prisoner' but the other 4 (or 5 is you include Total Ecilpse') are pretty underwhelming with 'Invaders' and 'Gangland' actually being poor Maiden songs.

I'd put it above well above Fear of the Dark and the 2 Blaze albums (I don't really like these 3 much) - slightly ahead of Killers and about on a par with the Debut, Matter of Life and Death and No Prayer  :omg:

(sharpens pitchfork....  :lol)

I agree about Invaders and Gangland being pretty bad, but I wouldn't say the album is overrated. It kind of established the formula for what would be the classic run of albums, so I think it's important from that point of view.

Don't think I could ever say that Children of the Damned, Run To The Hills, Beast are underwhelming. These are the songs that got me interested in Maiden to begin with.

I definitely wouldn't say it's on a par with No Prayer - I find that album pretty much unlistenable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 01, 2017, 02:13:26 AM
Well I don't agree even though it's not my top Maiden album. Invaders (has an awesome intro and verse), Children, The Prisoner, 22, The Number, Run to the, Hallowed are all great or iconic tracks. That leaves us with two tracks left, Gangland and Total Eclipse. Gangland is cool though, the Clive intro is awesome and the verses is great with a pretty catchy chorus. I love how much energy Clive has in the intro however he dosen't really keep it up though because it slows down after the intro quite a bit.  :lol

I guess the only track that is a bit meh for me is Total Eclipse then, other that that the album is killer if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on March 01, 2017, 02:22:26 AM
So at the risk of being run out of here with pitchforks :

Does anyone else think Number of the Beast is overrated?   I don't think it's a bad album at all, but in relation to the rest of Maidens discography, for me at least it's nowhere near the top.  Brilliant, no actually Iconic artwork, great couple of singles, 'Hallowed' is a masterpiece and I'd always like 'The Prisoner' but the other 4 (or 5 is you include Total Ecilpse') are pretty underwhelming with 'Invaders' and 'Gangland' actually being poor Maiden songs.

I'd put it above well above Fear of the Dark and the 2 Blaze albums (I don't really like these 3 much) - slightly ahead of Killers and about on a par with the Debut, Matter of Life and Death and No Prayer  :omg:

We actually had a pretty good discussion about this very subject about a year ago(or there about). If you search back through this thread you should be able to find it. There were some people that felt the way that you do about it. Then there were others (myself included) that feel/felt that it might not be there best album, but the steps that the band made in making the album were not only greatly important to the future of the band, but to the genre as a whole.

Some of the things that would make them a great "album band" were there from the get-go. Phantom of the Opera had certain elements that would establish many of their later epics, but (as you already mentioned) Hallowed was when that aspect of the band really took off for them. For me, NotB also established a formula for the flow of the song order that the band would use for the next several albums with a big/hard hitting opener through to the epic closer.

I'm also a bit of an odd-ball in that 22 Acacia Ave is one of my favorite IM songs, and I don't see many people giving that song praise. In fact, the only songs that I see as "not up to par" on the album is Invaders and Gangland. They aren't terrible songs, but the rest of the album is that much better than them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 01, 2017, 03:03:16 AM
^^^^ Praise incoming, 22 Arcacia Ave is my favorite Maiden song. That song is fucking intense and I absolutely love it  :metal :metal

But anyway. When I was first getting into IM, I definitely felt like Number of the beast was overrated, specifically since I had heard Run to the hills and the title track a million times before even getting to the album, so I was already burned out on those songs and still am.

But then I actually started digging into the album and there is some heavy duty shit on there. Children of the damned, 22 arcacia ave and Hollowed be thy name and the prisoner are up there probably in my top 10 IM songs. Invaders, gangland and total eclipse are solid too.

So now a days, after really investing time into the album, I don't think its overrated. And if it is, I feel like it deserves that praise
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 01, 2017, 03:22:23 AM
The importance it had to the band cannot be overstated, but yeah, if we forget about the context, there have been better albums from the classic line-up, it's also way too "happy", save for Children and Hallowed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2017, 07:42:35 AM
So at the risk of being run out of here with pitchforks :

Does anyone else think Number of the Beast is overrated?   I don't think it's a bad album at all, but in relation to the rest of Maidens discography, for me at least it's nowhere near the top.  Brilliant, no actually Iconic artwork, great couple of singles, 'Hallowed' is a masterpiece and I'd always like 'The Prisoner' but the other 4 (or 5 is you include Total Ecilpse') are pretty underwhelming with 'Invaders' and 'Gangland' actually being poor Maiden songs.

I'd put it above well above Fear of the Dark and the 2 Blaze albums (I don't really like these 3 much) - slightly ahead of Killers and about on a par with the Debut, Matter of Life and Death and No Prayer  :omg:

Well, I think to some degree, you had to be there.  It might be "overrated" in the sense that any ONE album that is used to classify an entire band is "overrated".  Machine Head.  Pyromania. 

But as someone who was getting into metal at that time, and had "High And Dry", and had "Maiden Japan", and "British Steel" and "Point of Entry" (which were much more...  70's), then you got "Run for your li-I-ife!" in that soaring, operatic way - something that Di'Anno just simply could not do - it was something new.   Then the epic-ness of "Woe to you oh earth and sea... for the devil sends the beast with wrath, because he knows the time is short.  Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast..." then that scream...   It changed the game.   

I don't think it's Maiden's best - for me, that's Powerslave - and I have gravitated to The Prisoner and Total Eclipse over time - TE is a top ten Maiden song for me - but it brought them to a whole new level.   The Beast on the Road was the first full, epic tour by the band, and it was what cemented what we now know as the Maiden legacy.  It may be "overrated" as a stand alone album, but if you ask me, nothing that came after WOULD have came after if it wasn't for that.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on March 01, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Basicaly what Stadler said. While i don't think TNOTB is their best album, i think it was their big game changer, the album that turned them into a "first class act" in the metal world.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2017, 08:57:34 AM
Well, I think to some degree, you had to be there.  It might be "overrated" in the sense that any ONE album that is used to classify an entire band is "overrated".  Machine Head.  Pyromania. 

But as someone who was getting into metal at that time, and had "High And Dry", and had "Maiden Japan", and "British Steel" and "Point of Entry" (which were much more...  70's), then you got "Run for your li-I-ife!" in that soaring, operatic way - something that Di'Anno just simply could not do - it was something new.   Then the epic-ness of "Woe to you oh earth and sea... for the devil sends the beast with wrath, because he knows the time is short.  Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast..." then that scream...   It changed the game.   

..and this will sound like "you had to be there" but I prefer to use the term "Listening in real time".

I mean, it's easy to pick any band you are new to and line up all of their albums next to each other and pick a fave. So, if you put TNOTB next to AMOLAD, I can see why some would choose AMOLAD.

BUT...when TNOTB came out, it truly separated them from the entire NWOBHM movement. It was fresh and exciting. It was the kind of music that no one else was making, and it was both progressive (I use the term progressive to mean that it pushes a boundry of their original genre) and accessible.

For all of the glory of the NWOBHM, it produced TWO bands: Iron Maiden and Def Leppard. Sure many other bands did OK, and Saxon, while enjoying a great renaissance over the last decade, were nothing but second class citizens once Maiden and Def Lep hit it big. Both took Saxon's (and Judas Priest's) template and progressed it. Def Lep took it to a Pop direction, and Maiden took it to an arena style, epic direction.

TNOTB separated Maiden from the pack on musicianship, song writing, and performance. It made an impact and impression, that cannot be clearly seen by looking back through time. It could be argued that they refined their craft a bit on Piece Of Mind. Sure.

Kind of like Images And Words and Awake. Both albums did the same for Dream Theater as TNOTB and POM did for Maiden.




Oh, and 22 Acacia Avenue is a TAC Top 10 Maiden track!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2017, 10:17:07 AM
So at the risk of being run out of here with pitchforks :

Does anyone else think Number of the Beast is overrated?   I don't think it's a bad album at all, but in relation to the rest of Maidens discography, for me at least it's nowhere near the top.  Brilliant, no actually Iconic artwork, great couple of singles, 'Hallowed' is a masterpiece and I'd always like 'The Prisoner' but the other 4 (or 5 is you include Total Ecilpse') are pretty underwhelming with 'Invaders' and 'Gangland' actually being poor Maiden songs.

I'd put it above well above Fear of the Dark and the 2 Blaze albums (I don't really like these 3 much) - slightly ahead of Killers and about on a par with the Debut, Matter of Life and Death and No Prayer  :omg:

I agreed up until you said it's on par with AMoLaD.  AMoLaD is a masterpiece.  But I didn't become an IM fan until after BNW so I don't have that relationship to the older material like some.  To me, while TNotB is a classic and piviting album for IM, I rank it closer to the bottom than the top compared to the rest.  It's a great album, IM just has a lot better albums IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2017, 10:58:55 AM
I like that.  "Listening in real time". 

I just know that I saw Maiden open for Priest on the Beast tour, and while they were both good, seeing Maiden - and hearing Bruce sing that shit live - changed my perception of music.  No knock on Rob - great singer - but he's not the front man that Bruce is, and I prefer Dave and Adrian to Glenn and KK. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 02, 2017, 12:23:30 AM
Man I still remember holding that album cover in that record store when it just came out. I just stood there and look at it in awe. 'I just HAVE to buy this!'. Then coming home and playing it for the first time..... the impact. Words just don't come close in expressing what I felt. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 02, 2017, 05:19:40 AM
I think an unintended help came from the "Maiden are satanic worshippers" dudes, lot of free publicity  :lol

Seriously, about that: while I was a kid I was never the "screw you school, screw you parents, I'm a metalhead, I'm evil, groarrr" kind of teenager, but I was mildly amused that topics that were not offensive at all to me (evil stuff, satanism etc), were causing such a riot among fundamentalists.

However, growing up, I realize that the whole Number of the Beast situation was just an exagerated misunderstanding of the lyrics.

Aside from the explanation that it was all a dream by Steve Harris, the lyrics point blank tell "This can't go on, I must inform the law". It's a straight up story of someone stumbling across a satanic rite and *wanting to make it stop*, but yet saying "6, 66, the number of the beast"was enough to paint them as blood drinking, goats-sacrificing satanists.

With Black Sabbath, I could get it. Back in the day where all songs were about peace and love, these guys from Birmingham sing about Satan literally appearing. But to go crazy over a song about seeing a satanic rite and being afraid of it....????
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 02, 2017, 06:23:23 AM
Have you ever seen the videoclip for this song? Its hillarious. Whoever thought of that concept...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 02, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
For sure I have seen it, but I simply forgot what it's all about, I will have to watch it again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on March 02, 2017, 08:39:28 AM
I think an unintended help came from the "Maiden are satanic worshippers" dudes, lot of free publicity  :lol

Seriously, about that: while I was a kid I was never the "screw you school, screw you parents, I'm a metalhead, I'm evil, groarrr" kind of teenager, but I was mildly amused that topics that were not offensive at all to me (evil stuff, satanism etc), were causing such a riot among fundamentalists.

However, growing up, I realize that the whole Number of the Beast situation was just an exagerated misunderstanding of the lyrics.

Aside from the explanation that it was all a dream by Steve Harris, the lyrics point blank tell "This can't go on, I must inform the law". It's a straight up story of someone stumbling across a satanic rite and *wanting to make it stop*, but yet saying "6, 66, the number of the beast"was enough to paint them as blood drinking, goats-sacrificing satanists.

With Black Sabbath, I could get it. Back in the day where all songs were about peace and love, these guys from Birmingham sing about Satan literally appearing. But to go crazy over a song about seeing a satanic rite and being afraid of it....????

Well, sure.  But the thing is, while they disavowed being Satanists, they at the same time played up the Satanic imagery in their album artwork, their stage props, and their public image.  And there were able to capitalize on that.  And that's fine.  Personally, I wasn't comfortable with it at the time.  But that's fine.  It isn't exactly uncommon for a band to intentionally market themselves as something they are not because it is popular.  Although the Maiden guys publicly disavowed being Satanists, and the really committed fans who took time to actually study the lyrics knew that, the band absolutely played it up to gain exposure, and they DID garner a ton of fans who thought (and still do) of the album/song as evil.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 02, 2017, 09:00:12 AM
Stage props ok, I remember the devil(s) at the borders of the stage during the tour.

But album cover and public image? the cover album has Eddie being the real puppet master, so in a sense they say Eddie is stronger than the devil, and I can't really recall from footage and interviews of the era (I was too young to remember, I  was 3  :biggrin: ) them posing or acting to pump up the satanic angle...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on March 02, 2017, 09:22:27 AM
Yea that stuff only lasted for the one album and tour. By 1983 they moved on to other topics and dropped the satanic angle completely.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on March 02, 2017, 11:18:26 AM
Got some new headphones and listened to the live version of Phantom of the Opera from Somewhere Back in Time. Man does that song kick ass, just an amazing song for a band's debut album.  :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on March 02, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
Yea that stuff only lasted for the one album and tour. By 1983 they moved on to other topics and dropped the satanic angle completely.

They did maintain the religious angle, though. Of course you have Revelations on POM, then an argument could be made that the song Powerslave could come from a religious angle. Heaven Can Wait on SiT, and the entire 7th son album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on March 02, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Yea that stuff only lasted for the one album and tour. By 1983 they moved on to other topics and dropped the satanic angle completely.

They did maintain the religious angle, though. Of course you have Revelations on POM, then an argument could be made that the song Powerslave could come from a religious angle. Heaven Can Wait on SiT, and the entire 7th son album.
Revelations is not religious.  I mean, it has allusions to pagan religion in the lyrics, but isn't really a religious song in any way.

Heaven can wait is arguably anti-religion.

And I'm not sure how 7th Son is "religious."  It is a concept album about a sorcerer.  How is that religious?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on March 02, 2017, 01:30:20 PM
Yea that stuff only lasted for the one album and tour. By 1983 they moved on to other topics and dropped the satanic angle completely.

They did maintain the religious angle, though. Of course you have Revelations on POM, then an argument could be made that the song Powerslave could come from a religious angle. Heaven Can Wait on SiT, and the entire 7th son album.
Revelations is not religious.  I mean, it has allusions to pagan religion in the lyrics, but isn't really a religious song in any way.

Heaven can wait is arguably anti-religion.

And I'm not sure how 7th Son is "religious."  It is a concept album about a sorcerer.  How is that religious?  :lol

C'mon bosk, sorcerers believe in a higher power that gives them magic. Get with the fantasy knowledge! Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight. Get on it.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on March 02, 2017, 01:34:00 PM
Okay, but I'm not sure that writing what is obviously a fantasy/sci-fi story that contains a belief in a higher power is "religious" in the sense that PowerSlave meant.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on March 02, 2017, 01:34:23 PM
Yea that stuff only lasted for the one album and tour. By 1983 they moved on to other topics and dropped the satanic angle completely.

They did maintain the religious angle, though. Of course you have Revelations on POM, then an argument could be made that the song Powerslave could come from a religious angle. Heaven Can Wait on SiT, and the entire 7th son album.
Revelations is not religious.  I mean, it has allusions to pagan religion in the lyrics, but isn't really a religious song in any way.

Heaven can wait is arguably anti-religion.

And I'm not sure how 7th Son is "religious."  It is a concept album about a sorcerer.  How is that religious?  :lol

I disagree. Revelations, in my opinion, greatly relied on the imagery of the lyrics being apocolyptic to tell its story. It intentionally points to the book of Revelation in the title to put the listener in a mindset, then creates a story around that. It's how it has always come off to me, anyways. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Heaven Can Wait still relies on religioun to establish its story. Am I dreaming, or did I escape death and the afterlife? ect ect

7th son relies on numerology to an extent which is used in all of the major religiouns. It is also very anti-religious in several aspects. It's a negative commentary on the church in certain ways, and you can't do that without relying on religious imagery to begin with.

Some lyrics sampled from Only the Good Die Young on 7th son:


Fly in the face of the prophets I mock your morality plays
The moon is red and bleeding
The sun is burned and black
The book of life is silent
No turning back

and later in the song...


Walking on water are miracles all you can trust
Measure your coffin does is measure up to your lust?
So I think I'll leave you
With your bishops and your guilt
So until the next time
Have a good sin

Seven deadly sins
Seven ways to win
Seven holy paths to hell

Seven downward slopes
Seven bloodied hopes
Seven are your burning fires
Seven your desires.....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on March 02, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
I disagree. Revelations, in my opinion, greatly relied on the imagery of the lyrics being apocolyptic to tell its story. It intentionally points to the book of Revelation in the title to put the listener in a mindset, then creates a story around that. It's how it has always come off to me, anyways. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Heaven Can Wait still relies on religioun to establish its story. Am I dreaming, or did I escape death and the afterlife? ect ect

7th son relies on numerology to an extent which is used in all of the major religiouns. It is also very anti-religious in several aspects. It's a negative commentary on the church in certain ways, and you can't do that without relying on religious imagery to begin with.

I STRONGLY disagree with you on Revelations and do think you are reading too much into it.  But as I understood you post, you are trying to make a contrast between what people thought was the message behind NOTB, which implies that the songs you mentioned are, in some respect, pro-religion or somewhat supportive of religion.  And, by extension, because we are again contrasting that with the perceived message of NOTB, we would be talking about, for lack of a better term (and, for the record, I hate this term), Judeo-Christian religion.  Those songs aren't really supporting or endorsing religion in that sense.  In fact, I'm not sure ANY Maiden song does that, despite that quite a few of their songs are commentaries on religion or may use religion or religious imagery to make a point. 

It reminds me a lot of an interview I read a long time ago from some magazine or website or something that was somewhat loosely "Christian-based" (again, for lack of a better term), and they were praising the DT guys for being a "Christian band" because of all the great "Christian imagery" in their lyrics on I&W.  And JP's reaction was along the lines of (paraphrasing), "Um, wait, what?  No, we're not a 'Christian band' and that isn't what we're saying at all.  We use religious imagery in our lyrics to make a point, but it isn't the point you are reading in.  You really haven't read our lyrics carefully if you think that is what we are saying." 

I think it is largely the same with Maiden.  They use religious imagery all over the place.  But if you try to take that and say that they are somehow pro-religion or, more specifically, pro-Christianity in their lyrics, I think you either misunderstood their lyrics or don't really have a clear understanding of what that religion actually teaches.  (and I'm using "you" in a general sense--not calling you out specifically)

That's how I see it.  Bit maybe I misunderstood.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on March 02, 2017, 02:19:20 PM
I disagree. Revelations, in my opinion, greatly relied on the imagery of the lyrics being apocolyptic to tell its story. It intentionally points to the book of Revelation in the title to put the listener in a mindset, then creates a story around that. It's how it has always come off to me, anyways. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Heaven Can Wait still relies on religioun to establish its story. Am I dreaming, or did I escape death and the afterlife? ect ect

7th son relies on numerology to an extent which is used in all of the major religiouns. It is also very anti-religious in several aspects. It's a negative commentary on the church in certain ways, and you can't do that without relying on religious imagery to begin with.

I STRONGLY disagree with you on Revelations and do think you are reading too much into it.  But as I understood you post, you are trying to make a contrast between what people thought was the message behind NOTB, which implies that the songs you mentioned are, in some respect, pro-religion or somewhat supportive of religion.  And, by extension, because we are again contrasting that with the perceived message of NOTB, we would be talking about, for lack of a better term (and, for the record, I hate this term), Judeo-Christian religion.  Those songs aren't really supporting or endorsing religion in that sense.  In fact, I'm not sure ANY Maiden song does that, despite that quite a few of their songs are commentaries on religion or may use religion or religious imagery to make a point. 

It reminds me a lot of an interview I read a long time ago from some magazine or website or something that was somewhat loosely "Christian-based" (again, for lack of a better term), and they were praising the DT guys for being a "Christian band" because of all the great "Christian imagery" in their lyrics on I&W.  And JP's reaction was along the lines of (paraphrasing), "Um, wait, what?  No, we're not a 'Christian band' and that isn't what we're saying at all.  We use religious imagery in our lyrics to make a point, but it isn't the point you are reading in.  You really haven't read our lyrics carefully if you think that is what we are saying." 

I think it is largely the same with Maiden.  They use religious imagery all over the place.  But if you try to take that and say that they are somehow pro-religion or, more specifically, pro-Christianity in their lyrics, I think you either misunderstood their lyrics or don't really have a clear understanding of what that religion actually teaches.  (and I'm using "you" in a general sense--not calling you out specifically)

That's how I see it.  Bit maybe I misunderstood.

I think you understood me, but I think that we're still coming at it from different angles. My point was that they used religious imagery to build some of their stories/lyrics around. Some of it is Judeo-Christian, but some of it is pagan. Powerslave is the perfect example of using pagan imagery. The character is dealing with his own mortality after being worshiped as a god for his entire existence.

I do maintain that Revelations is a play on the book. They added the s to the end of the name of the song as a sort of nod/wink to separate the two, but it's greatly reliant upon Christianity.

The opening lyrics to Revelations is lifted from an English Christian Hymnal:

"O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton

The guy who wrote it was (amongst other things according to the article) a lay theologian.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on March 02, 2017, 02:26:55 PM
Both of you should be banned for not closing out your posts:

SCREAM FOR ME DTF!

/dork

Uh...scream for me dtf?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on March 02, 2017, 02:31:04 PM
If I had to pick a personal favorite Maiden album, it would be Somewhere in time.

I just absolutely adore this album. From the killer songs to the time travel theme. I just love it
the cover is the best thing about it. I was mightily disappointed with it at the time and I never really play it at all. It was the start of me falling out of love with the band. Wasted Years is fine and I like Deja Vu and Alexander. The rest is pretty poor.

I never really got back the love tbh, though I have liked the reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on March 02, 2017, 03:39:03 PM
Both of you should be banned for not closing out your posts:

SCREAM FOR ME DTF!

/dork

Uh...scream for me dtf?!

My punishment shall be being required to listen to Scream for Me Brazil. And what sweet punishment it shall be!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on March 02, 2017, 03:44:41 PM
Nicko is the only Christian guy in the band AFAIK. And he didn't convert until the late 90s/early 00s. Bruce is pretty strongly atheist (and maybe even anti-theist) and Steve's lyrics suggest an agnostic point of view.

The religious imagery in their lyrics never went away, but depicting Satan and Hell in their artwork, videos, and stage designs pretty much ended with NOTB.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 02, 2017, 03:47:18 PM
SCREAM FOR ME DTF!

 :metal

Now that is a religion I can get behind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 02, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
The religious imagery in their lyrics never went away, but depicting Satan and Hell in their artwork, videos, and stage designs pretty much ended with NOTB.

For the most part.  That devil still pops up on stage every time they play NOTB though. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on March 02, 2017, 07:13:41 PM
Oh yea, forgot about that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 02, 2017, 07:22:27 PM
Home from work, and now catching up. This last page has turned into a P/R thread! ;D


Regarding Somewhere In Time, when it came out, it instantly became my favorite Maiden album. That, after Powerslave, which I wasn't a huge fan of. But now, years later, Powerslave has aged much better IMO.
Still, Caught Somewhere In Time is a TAC Top 5 Maiden track!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on March 03, 2017, 01:27:55 AM
Tim I'm surprised you didn't latch onto Powerslave immediately. It just screams classic to me, plus such a cool album cover
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cruithne on March 03, 2017, 07:34:28 AM
Wasted Years is fine and I like Deja Vu and Alexander. The rest is pretty poor.

Stranger In A Strange Land might just be my favourite Maiden song  :-\ I don't think that's a feeling commonly shared. I'm also a huge fan of Infinite Dreams and, again, I don't think that's a song that widely heralded.

Anyway, that said, I'm not a big fan of Somewhere In Time as a whole. The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner always struck me as a terribly silly idea for a song (I know it's a short story and film too, but even so), particularly given how seriously the song seems to take itself as opposed to a song such as Die With Your Boots On. Caught Somewhere In Time and Heaven Can Wait are a bit bloated and Alexander The Great feels all a bit didactic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 03, 2017, 07:42:24 AM
Yea that stuff only lasted for the one album and tour. By 1983 they moved on to other topics and dropped the satanic angle completely.

They did maintain the religious angle, though. Of course you have Revelations on POM, then an argument could be made that the song Powerslave could come from a religious angle. Heaven Can Wait on SiT, and the entire 7th son album.
Revelations is not religious.  I mean, it has allusions to pagan religion in the lyrics, but isn't really a religious song in any way.

Heaven can wait is arguably anti-religion.

And I'm not sure how 7th Son is "religious."  It is a concept album about a sorcerer.  How is that religious?  :lol

Not responding to Bosk specifically (his was just the post I picked to "quote") but I should point out that there is a strong argument that "religion" (i.e. worship of a spiritual being) and "spirituality" (i.e. the belief in a spiritual being) are different things.    I KNOW there are plenty of Maiden lyrics that are anti-RELIGION, in the sense of "the opiate of the masses", but I don't know that there are many that are anti-spiritual being, in the sense of "there is no god".   

Also, I'm not so quick to label Bruce an atheist.   He has rarely spoken about his personal religious views, but some of his comments, particularly in regard to William Blake (whose works form a sort of basis for "The Chemical Wedding").   


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 03, 2017, 11:31:23 AM
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This is in brooklyn  :metal from IM's FB.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 03, 2017, 07:13:35 PM
Tim I'm surprised you didn't latch onto Powerslave immediately. It just screams classic to me, plus such a cool album cover

One of the things that I loved about TNOTB and POM was that it was progressed NWOBHM. It was better than the classic NWOBHM style.

But when Powerslave came out, it is basically their most NWOBHM styled album. To me, it was an instant letdown. The first single, 2MTM used that old recycled riff that I already heard from Accept, Saxon, Dio, and Riot. Losfer Words pales in comparison to Transylvania, and Rime was long for the sake of being long. All they did in the press at the time was brag about Rime's length.
And you mention the album cover. Yawn. I had just seen Dio on the Last In Line tour and their set was based upon the Egyptian theme. It just felt totally unoriginal.

Thankfully, I did see the tour, and I liked Live After Death. But when SiT came out, they regained my imagination.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on March 04, 2017, 11:06:40 AM
I had been a huge fan of NOTB and POM when PS first came out. At the time, I thought it was their masterpiece. But it hasn't quite aged as well as the other two.

I still find it hard to believe people rally around SiT. From the moment I first played it, I thought the choruses were far lazier than previous efforts. Some of it I really love. Sea of Madness is probably my favorite, and Heaven Can Wait got better once I heard it live. But Deja Vu is dumb, Lonliness is boring, and Alexander is the worst mini epic they ever did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 04, 2017, 07:28:12 PM
Love those last three songs you mentioned and it's a big reason why I love that album.  Probably my second favorite behind AMoLaD  then Powerslave, I think
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2017, 06:49:06 AM
Let's all celebrate Steve Harris' birthday today!  :metal

Hail to the legend, the man whose determination and drive almost single-handedly brought Maiden on top of the world  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 12, 2017, 07:56:03 AM
Happy birthday Steve! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on March 12, 2017, 10:52:33 AM
Happy Birthday!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 12, 2017, 03:45:30 PM
Happy Birthday, metal god.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 13, 2017, 02:35:22 PM
Set the DVR!

https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-drummer-nicko-mcbrain-to-launch-4-night-residency-on-late-night-with-seth-meyers-tonight
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2017, 06:54:02 PM
Just listened to The Book of Souls for the first time in a long time and it's a brilliant piece of work, although I don't think it's aged as well as the other reunion albums for some reason.  Can't put my finger on it.  The opener, title track and TRATB are absolute classics though.  And Empire of the Clouds is so unique for this band, it's amazing.  Maybe the band just broke the formula so this album sort of sits on its own, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
I don't like Eternity as much as you do Kade, but it has grown on me. But yes, the title track, TRATB, and Empire are amazing. But overall, it just doesn't feel as strong as their other albums. There are at least three better Reunion albums than TBOS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2017, 07:16:26 PM
I don't like Eternity as much as you do Kade, but it has grown on me. But yes, the title track, TRATB, and Empire are amazing. But overall, it just doesn't feel as strong as their other albums. There are at least three better Reunion albums than TBOS.

I'm finding it hard to rank.  When it first came out I thought it might top all other reunion albums but now it could be near the bottom, which is weird because it feels wrong doing that.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on March 23, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
It's not the best of the reunion era, but that would be a tall order. The band has been absolutely amazing in the quality of their output since the reunion.

On a side note: I'd be willing to consider giving up a limb or two to see them perform EotC live. That song is simply incredible!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2017, 07:19:20 PM
I don't like Eternity as much as you do Kade, but it has grown on me. But yes, the title track, TRATB, and Empire are amazing. But overall, it just doesn't feel as strong as their other albums. There are at least three better Reunion albums than TBOS.

I'm finding it hard to rank.  When it first came out I thought it might top all other reunion albums but now it could be near the bottom, which is weird because it feels wrong doing that.  :lol

It's a lot like Dance Of Death, where they blew their load on a handful of tunes and realized they still had half an album to go.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2017, 07:19:26 PM
It's not the best of the reunion era, but that would be a tall order. The band has been absolutely amazing in the quality of their output since the reunion.

On a side note: I'd be willing to consider giving up a limb or two to see them perform EotC live. That song is simply incredible!

 :lol Woah, settle down there mate!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2017, 07:20:13 PM
I don't like Eternity as much as you do Kade, but it has grown on me. But yes, the title track, TRATB, and Empire are amazing. But overall, it just doesn't feel as strong as their other albums. There are at least three better Reunion albums than TBOS.

I'm finding it hard to rank.  When it first came out I thought it might top all other reunion albums but now it could be near the bottom, which is weird because it feels wrong doing that.  :lol

It's a lot like Dance Of Death, where they blew their load on a handful of tunes and realized they still had half an album to go.

I think you're bang on.  It's so long too, feels longer now than what it did when it came out also.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
I'll tell you what is awesome about TBOS though. Bruce ! :hefdaddy
He OWNS this album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2017, 07:28:36 PM
Such an incredible performance indeed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2017, 07:30:17 PM
Especially considering his health issues.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 24, 2017, 02:05:32 AM
First time I heard The Book of Souls it felt to me like a collective solo albums of all Maiden members, it really felt fresh and different, even though all the usual trademarks are there.

I still love it and I stand in awe at Bruce's genius in conjuring up such a monumental track as Empire of the Clouds. I remember the first time I was listening to it, I saw the song was at the 15 minutes mark and I was like "What, only three minutes to go?" fastest and most pleasant 18 minutes of my life.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on March 24, 2017, 03:30:29 AM
I don't like Eternity as much as you do Kade, but it has grown on me. But yes, the title track, TRATB, and Empire are amazing. But overall, it just doesn't feel as strong as their other albums. There are at least three better Reunion albums than TBOS.

I'm finding it hard to rank.  When it first came out I thought it might top all other reunion albums but now it could be near the bottom, which is weird because it feels wrong doing that.  :lol

I understand where you're coming from. The initial excitement faded pretty quickly for me, but I still really like those songs mentioned, with exception of TRATB. I really don't like this one at all - for me the repetition fatigue sets in really quickly. It's a "skipper"..

Empire is super - great story and drama, and something fresh. I just feel that a little bit of trimming or tightening up could have brought it from a 9/10 to a 10/10.

For the next one, I would love for the guys to work with a new producer, who would move them out of their comfort zone and challenge them into creating a really solid, great sounding album. I'm not a fan of the dry, 'live' sound, especially on the vocals. I can't really see much changing at this stage though..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 24, 2017, 03:35:25 AM
Empire is super - great story and drama, and something fresh. I just feel that a little bit of trimming or tightening up could have brought it from a 9/10 to a 10/10.

They actually did. I remember reading it was around 21 minutes and they trimmed some fat.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on March 24, 2017, 04:18:36 AM
It's not the best of the reunion era, but that would be a tall order. The band has been absolutely amazing in the quality of their output since the reunion.

On a side note: I'd be willing to consider giving up a limb or two to see them perform EotC live. That song is simply incredible!

 :lol Woah, settle down there mate!

Well, I do exaggerate, but I do really like the song a lot. It would be a shame if they never performed it live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2017, 05:34:34 AM
I really do wish they'd piss Shirley off for an album.  I'd love to see Birch back and do just one more album with them.  Dreaming here but imaging that!?  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2017, 05:37:02 AM
Yea, I'll agree that tBoS has not aged as well, but it's still fantastic.  I probably put it middle of the reunion era.  I can't believe I am going to get to see the show 3 more times.  I thought last year might be my only shot.  The performance of the song tBoS is so amazing.  They really should find a way to do a performance of Empire of the Clouds, maybe not in a live setting if that's too much for them, but even in a studio or something.  That song is too good to just place on a record and ignore for eternity.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on March 24, 2017, 07:10:40 AM
Don't they have that guy that plays keyboards back stage - Michael Kenny? I'm sure he could easily handle the piano parts on Empire.

It's maybe because of the length, that they would have to lose a few regular songs from the setlist to accommodate it, which might upset some of the "play classics" brigade..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on March 24, 2017, 07:23:05 AM
It's maybe because of the length, that they would have to lose a few regular songs from the setlist to accommodate it, which might upset some of the "play classics" brigade..

I believe that's the exact reason.  In 18 minutes they can play one song or 3-4 classic/shorter songs. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 24, 2017, 07:27:03 AM
It's the explanation they've actually given, it's too long and too one-of-a-kind and it would have dominated too much the setlist and the show. It would have been all about that song, so they chose to not play it.

I assume they've given some thought about it however, I remember Dave Murray (or it was Nicko?) being open to the idea.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on March 24, 2017, 11:54:07 AM
I really do wish they'd piss Shirley off for an album.  I'd love to see Birch back and do just one more album with them.  Dreaming here but imaging that!?  :hefdaddy

I wish everyone would piss Shirley off for a while. I'm not digging this low fi sound he seems yo prefer these days. I've said before though that I've never loved a Maiden production yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on April 12, 2017, 11:33:35 AM
"The good that men do is oft interred with their bones.  But the evil that men do lives on...  ARE YOU READY BRAZIL???"  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2017, 12:03:36 PM
I really do wish they'd piss Shirley off for an album.  I'd love to see Birch back and do just one more album with them.  Dreaming here but imaging that!?  :hefdaddy

I wish everyone would piss Shirley off for a while. I'm not digging this low fi sound he seems yo prefer these days. I've said before though that I've never loved a Maiden production yet.

Well, that's the case for me; why piss off Shirley and go back to Birch?  Martin Birch was amazing - those records have such an immediate sound - but other than the denseness, which I attribute to the three guitarists more than anything, I don't see a vast difference between the Birch albums and the Shirley albums.  It's not like the difference between say, Chris Kimsey or Trevor Horn and Mutt Lange. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on April 12, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
The production is as the band wants it to be. It doesn't matter who produces the albums.

The only album that got out of control in the modern era is Dance of Death, and that's only because it was messed with by the record company after the band submitted it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2017, 12:10:37 PM
Agreed that DoD is the only album that doesn't sound that great.  I have no issues with Shirley's work with IM personally.

Also, any chance Iron Maiden films a show on the last two legs of the tour?  It would be a shame to not get a live release from this tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2017, 12:11:50 PM
Agreed that DoD is the only album that doesn't sound that great.  I have no issues with Shirley's work with IM personally.

Also, any chance Iron Maiden films a show on the last two legs of the tour?  It would be a shame to not get a live release from this tour.

I heard they're going to film the Brooklyn show.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2017, 12:17:47 PM
Agreed that DoD is the only album that doesn't sound that great.  I have no issues with Shirley's work with IM personally.

Also, any chance Iron Maiden films a show on the last two legs of the tour?  It would be a shame to not get a live release from this tour.

I heard they're going to film the Brooklyn show.  :)

*Cram has a heart attack with this news and misses the show*
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
The production is as the band wants it to be. It doesn't matter who produces the albums.

The only album that got out of control in the modern era is Dance of Death, and that's only because it was messed with by the record company after the band submitted it.

Do tell; what did they do?   

None of the maiden albums is really off the reservation in terms of sound (though the first one does have a way different feel than the rest of the catalogue) but I don't here a tremendous difference with DoD.  The one album that is sort of muddy is No Prayer, but I always thought that was because Harris's studio wasn't up to snuff. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2017, 12:23:30 PM
 :lol

I need revenge for not getting my face on the Flight 666 dvd during Rime (I was right up front but never on camera!!)

I haven't heard anything of substance on the Iron Maiden fan club forum, but the Brooklyn shows make sense, end of tour, back to back nights.  But they also have back to back nights in London so that would make sense too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on April 12, 2017, 12:32:15 PM
The production is as the band wants it to be. It doesn't matter who produces the albums.

The only album that got out of control in the modern era is Dance of Death, and that's only because it was messed with by the record company after the band submitted it.

Do tell; what did they do?   

None of the maiden albums is really off the reservation in terms of sound (though the first one does have a way different feel than the rest of the catalogue) but I don't here a tremendous difference with DoD.  The one album that is sort of muddy is No Prayer, but I always thought that was because Harris's studio wasn't up to snuff.

The band submitted the album, and someone at the record company looked at the wave levels and decided to "bump" them without notifying the band. If you listen to either of the albums that come right before or after, you can hear a big difference when compared side by side.

It all goes back to the loudness war topic that's been an issue for the last 20 years, or so.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2017, 12:47:25 PM
I didn't know that story, but DoD is definitely louder to my ears and sounds over produced to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
The production is as the band wants it to be. It doesn't matter who produces the albums.

The only album that got out of control in the modern era is Dance of Death, and that's only because it was messed with by the record company after the band submitted it.

Do tell; what did they do?   

None of the maiden albums is really off the reservation in terms of sound (though the first one does have a way different feel than the rest of the catalogue) but I don't here a tremendous difference with DoD.  The one album that is sort of muddy is No Prayer, but I always thought that was because Harris's studio wasn't up to snuff.

The band submitted the album, and someone at the record company looked at the wave levels and decided to "bump" them without notifying the band. If you listen to either of the albums that come right before or after, you can hear a big difference when compared side by side.

It all goes back to the loudness war topic that's been an issue for the last 20 years, or so.

That makes a lot of sense, because wasn't AMOLAD famously "not mastered"?  The liner notes may even have said that.   Which isn't technically true (the transfer from tape to digital is itself "mastering") but I think they meant that no levels were adjusted in that process. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on April 12, 2017, 02:05:51 PM
It's maybe because of the length, that they would have to lose a few regular songs from the setlist to accommodate it, which might upset some of the "play classics" brigade..

I believe that's the exact reason.  In 18 minutes they can play one song or 3-4 classic/shorter songs.
Or TRatB and one other song. That's essentially the choice they have. While I liked the live version of Red/Black (the studio version not so much), EotC has far greater production value. I'd like to see them do it. However, my hunch is that the next tour is the same core setlist with 4 standards swapped around.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2017, 02:36:25 PM
While I liked the live version of Red/Black (the studio version not so much)

I really thought the live performance of tRatB was amazing.  I liked the studio version more so than most here did, but the live version was so good that I'd be pissed if they took it off the setlist the next time around.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2017, 02:43:46 PM
I'll be pissed too. The live clips of it are awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 12, 2017, 03:04:42 PM
I've decided it's finally time for me to hear the rest of their discography.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2017, 03:22:25 PM
What do you have left?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on April 12, 2017, 03:23:13 PM
I've decided I don't really care about the rest of their discography.  :lol  But I really like a lot of what I have, so I'm good.  :)

EDIT:  And in case anyone asks, I have Killers (which I don't really care for) through Seventh Son (which I also don't really care for, but I like pretty much everything in between) and all the reunion era albums. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2017, 03:29:51 PM
I like the X factor, but I get it if you wanted to avoid those 4 albums between 7th and BNW. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on April 12, 2017, 03:33:26 PM
It's not that I actively want to avoid them so much as just not being interested and not having the time nor the budget to waste on things I'm not overly interested in at the expense of other things.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 12, 2017, 03:53:25 PM
What do you have left?

Haven't heard anything from No Prayer - Final Frontier except for 2 random songs.

I own the first 7 albums and Book of Souls and I know those albums like the back of my hand.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on April 12, 2017, 04:00:36 PM
What do you have left?

Haven't heard anything from No Prayer - Final Frontier except for 2 random songs.

I own the first 7 albums and Book of Souls and I know those albums like the back of my hand.

If nothing else, definitely get the rest of the reunion era albums. You can't miss with any of them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on April 13, 2017, 03:02:40 AM
For me 'No Prayer' is quite an underrated album.  It's not one of their best albums by a long shot - however for me it is far and away the best of the four 90's albums.   It's fairly throwaway and a fun album, nothing on it outstays it's welcome - whereas those other 90's album have a lot of boring material on them.  I'd rank it above a couple of their other albums as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 13, 2017, 06:18:56 AM
No Prayer deserves the flak it gets. It's easily the worst Bruce/Maiden album. Fear Of The Dark was a huge step up.

I get the stripped down approach they did, but the songs are just not strong enough as a whole. A lot to like on it though, for sure.
I wish Public Enema #1 had a different title because it totally overshadows an actual pretty good tune.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2017, 06:33:38 AM
No Prayer deserves the flak it gets. It's easily the worst Bruce/Maiden album.

This.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on April 13, 2017, 06:40:08 AM
I've decided I don't really care about the rest of their discography.  :lol  But I really like a lot of what I have, so I'm good.  :)

EDIT:  And in case anyone asks, I have Killers (which I don't really care for) through Seventh Son (which I also don't really care for, but I like pretty much everything in between) and all the reunion era albums.

Dude, have you heard Judas Be My Guide from Fear of the Dark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY-l0kCLh5Q

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on April 13, 2017, 06:42:34 AM
I've decided I don't really care about the rest of their discography.  :lol  But I really like a lot of what I have, so I'm good.  :)

EDIT:  And in case anyone asks, I have Killers (which I don't really care for) through Seventh Son (which I also don't really care for, but I like pretty much everything in between) and all the reunion era albums.

Dude, have you heard Judas Be My Guide from Fear of the Dark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY-l0kCLh5Q



My favourite track off that album.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2017, 06:43:41 AM
Yup, definitely one of the better tracks.  I still think most of the album is very weak though.
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Post by: Stadler on April 13, 2017, 06:56:15 AM
Killers (which I don't really care for)

HAHA, you kill me.  That's funny.  it's a joke, right?  Like April Fool's Month or something?  Right?  Right?

(I'm kidding, but Killers is an amazing album; not no. 1, for me, because that's a Dickinson album, but certainly no. 2, and worst case, no. 3.   My friend Jim, with whom I'm going to see them in July, considers it his favorite album of all time.)  The thing about Killers for me is, there are no duff tracks.  No "Gangland", no "Quest For Fire".   It's unique for me, because I actually prefer the deeper tracks to the ones that always get played live (Wrathschild or Innocent Exile fight to be my least favorite song on the record).
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Post by: TAC on April 13, 2017, 07:07:03 AM
Another Life  :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2017, 07:16:26 AM
I really wish the US got the full setlist from the 2005 tour where they performed some of those deep cuts from Killers.
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Post by: TAC on April 13, 2017, 07:17:21 AM
I really wish the US got the full setlist from the 2005 tour where they performed some of those deep cuts from Killers.

There's a great bootleg from Toronto that has a headlining setlist. Let me know if you need a copy.
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Post by: El Barto on April 13, 2017, 08:26:14 AM
I really wish the US got the full setlist from the 2005 tour where they performed some of those deep cuts from Killers.
Some of us did.  :hat
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Post by: El Barto on April 13, 2017, 08:26:55 AM
I really wish the US got the full setlist from the 2005 tour where they performed some of those deep cuts from Killers.

There's a great bootleg from Toronto that has a headlining setlist. Let me know if you need a copy.
There's also the Ulevi DVD.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2017, 08:29:17 AM
I really wish the US got the full setlist from the 2005 tour where they performed some of those deep cuts from Killers.
Some of us did.  :hat

Rub it in why dont ya!

And yea that Ullevi show was sick
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Post by: 425 on April 15, 2017, 10:03:39 AM
I've decided I don't really care about the rest of their discography.  :lol  But I really like a lot of what I have, so I'm good.  :)

EDIT:  And in case anyone asks, I have Killers (which I don't really care for) through Seventh Son (which I also don't really care for, but I like pretty much everything in between) and all the reunion era albums.

Bosk, if you're a fan of the reunion era, which I recall being the case, and if you haven't done this already, you might at least listen to a couple of X Factor tracks to see if you like the general vibe and Blaze's voice. That album is definitely not for everyone, and if you said "I don't like the tone" or "I don't like Blaze," then I would completely understand. But that album is basically the first prototype for the proggy stuff they would do in the reunion era, and it's one of my personal favorites

If you have Rock in Rio, though, you already have almost all the absolutely essential songs from the 90s: Sign of the Cross, The Clansman and Fear of the Dark. The only other one from the 90s that I'd say is definitely worth checking out even if you ignore the albums is Afraid to Shoot Strangers.

From the debut album, you might like Remember Tomorrow (I assume you already have Live After Death and thus The Phantom of the Opera). Beyond those two, if you're not a Killers fan, you can safely assume you're not missing anything spectacular.

I totally agree with you on Killers, by the way. It's one of my least favorite Maiden albums and it doesn't really do much for me. I rarely listen to it.
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Post by: TAC on April 15, 2017, 10:14:34 AM
I've decided I don't really care about the rest of their discography.  :lol  But I really like a lot of what I have, so I'm good.  :)

Awesome. Sounds like you have all of the essentials. No need to be a completist.
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Post by: Mladen on April 15, 2017, 10:20:57 AM
The X Factor would be a good purchase at some point.  ;)
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Post by: jjrock88 on April 15, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
The X Factor would be a good purchase at some point.  ;)

Thats a major grower when it comes to albums, but it is excellent.
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Post by: wolfking on April 16, 2017, 03:47:14 AM
Bruce = Legen!!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-bruce-dickinson-pays-aviation-staff-late-wages-out-of-his-own-pocket/
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Post by: jjrock88 on April 16, 2017, 05:35:29 AM
What a guy!
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 16, 2017, 05:37:57 AM
Just when I thought I couldn't respect him anymore than I already do. He's amazing
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Post by: bosk1 on April 21, 2017, 08:23:50 AM
I've decided I don't really care about the rest of their discography.  :lol  But I really like a lot of what I have, so I'm good.  :)

EDIT:  And in case anyone asks, I have Killers (which I don't really care for) through Seventh Son (which I also don't really care for, but I like pretty much everything in between) and all the reunion era albums.

Bosk, if you're a fan of the reunion era, which I recall being the case, and if you haven't done this already, you might at least listen to a couple of X Factor tracks to see if you like the general vibe and Blaze's voice. That album is definitely not for everyone, and if you said "I don't like the tone" or "I don't like Blaze," then I would completely understand. But that album is basically the first prototype for the proggy stuff they would do in the reunion era, and it's one of my personal favorites

If you have Rock in Rio, though, you already have almost all the absolutely essential songs from the 90s: Sign of the Cross, The Clansman and Fear of the Dark. The only other one from the 90s that I'd say is definitely worth checking out even if you ignore the albums is Afraid to Shoot Strangers.

Yeah, I like all the songs you mention.  And Man on the Edge is okay too.  Part of it is, I don't care for Blaze's voice.  Not a bad singer, but just don't care for it.  And some of the production values and arrangements on songs kill them for me.  But I have liked the live Bruce versions of songs.  And Afraid to Shoot Strangers is pretty good too.
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Post by: jjrock88 on April 21, 2017, 08:58:34 AM
Futureal is another of my favorite Maiden songs of the 90s. I think Bruce only sang it a few times but the one version I heard Bruce sing, he did an excellent job.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 21, 2017, 09:01:49 AM
He sang it on the entire Ed Hunter reunion tour of 1999, then it was not kept for Brave New World's tour the following year.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2017, 09:07:00 AM
There's a recording of it live with Bruce on Eddie's Archive (Maybe best of the b-sides?) which is pretty solid.
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Post by: jjrock88 on April 21, 2017, 02:57:27 PM
There's a recording of it live with Bruce on Eddie's Archive (Maybe best of the b-sides?) which is pretty solid.

Yeah, that's the copy that I have.  That Eddie's Archives set is fantastic.  I paid way too much for it, but it has so many cool tunes on it.
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Post by: TAC on April 21, 2017, 03:11:56 PM
The Ed Hunter reunion tour was SO AWESOME!!!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 21, 2017, 03:30:41 PM
The Ed Hunter reunion tour was SO AWESOME!!!
That tour was the first time I watched Maiden and actually the only time i've seen Maiden indoors. They usually visit during summer over here which is nothing wrong with however you always get a better visual experience indoors of the stageshow with lights and everything. The sound is usually better compared to a big arena where the sound bounces all over the place.
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Post by: TAC on April 21, 2017, 03:32:49 PM
What was so great was that it was it was a theater tour. Really felt intimate. One of my favorite Maiden shows.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2017, 05:11:01 PM
Yea, those bootlegs looked like they played in smaller venues and that tour had a killer setlist.  I wasn't a fan yet though
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Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2017, 05:14:33 PM
Eddie's Archive was worth ever cent IMO, until they released the cd's seperately!
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Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2017, 05:16:54 PM
It's a shame there was no official recording from the Ed HUnter tour.  Those few songs were got were awseome and the setlist was fantastic.

Aces High
Wrathchild
The Trooper
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Clansman
Wasted Years
Killers
Futureal
Man on the Edge
Powerslave
Phantom of the Opera
The Evil That Men Do
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden
The Number of the Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Run to the Hills

Stranger in a Strange Land was played a few times too.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2017, 05:18:28 PM
Eddie's Archive was worth ever cent IMO, until they released the cd's seperately!

Mine was like $120 if I remember correctly and I have a cool story to go along with how I found it (small time record store in college had it hidden) but my version is also the original with limited pressings before they released more (difference you can tell by the color of cloth on the inside).  I got this before the internet had ways of finding all those tunes so definitely worth the money, plus I won a game of war against my college roommate to get to keep it after we graduated since we split the cost.  And of course we've had plenty of shots from drinking from the goblet  :metal :metal
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Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2017, 05:20:30 PM
Nice.  I paid $155 for one of the originals too so I still think it was worth the money.
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Post by: TAC on April 21, 2017, 05:55:09 PM
It's a shame there was no official recording from the Ed HUnter tour.  Those few songs were got were awseome and the setlist was fantastic.

Aces High
Wrathchild
The Trooper
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Clansman
Wasted Years
Killers
Futureal
Man on the Edge
Powerslave
Phantom of the Opera
The Evil That Men Do
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden
The Number of the Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Run to the Hills

Stranger in a Strange Land was played a few times too.

Plenty of excellent boots though.
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Post by: El Barto on April 21, 2017, 06:28:27 PM
What was so great was that it was it was a theater tour. Really felt intimate. One of my favorite Maiden shows.
Exactly. Down here it was a beloved 3000 seat arena in the back of a bowling alley. Helluva show.
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Post by: jjrock88 on April 21, 2017, 07:06:43 PM
That's an awesome setlist!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
Yea, sucks they dropped Stanger.  That's such an awesome song.
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Post by: TAC on April 21, 2017, 07:28:37 PM
Well, Adrian missed a number of shows, including Boston  :angry:, because his father passed away.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2017, 07:34:16 PM
Well, Adrian missed a number of shows, including Boston  :angry:, because his father passed away.

Yea I heard that which sucks, but they didn't bring it back when he returned.
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Post by: TAC on April 21, 2017, 07:56:36 PM
The St. John, NB show. One of the better boots from the tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoUzF2E4OdY
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Post by: nobloodyname on April 21, 2017, 10:38:14 PM
This one is a little better in terms of sound quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tQ40_Z0xjw

And also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TguoHe72n80
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Post by: TAC on April 22, 2017, 05:15:45 AM
Doesn't the tour resume tonight?
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 22, 2017, 05:21:05 AM
Yup, in Belgium.
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Post by: devieira73 on April 22, 2017, 08:00:55 AM
Excellent bootleg from Ed Hunter Tour (although Stranger... wasn't played at this show):

https://highqualitybootlegs.blogspot.com.br/2014/12/iron-maiden-ed-hunter-tour-1999.html
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2017, 03:27:42 PM
Two set lists changes, one a surprise actually the other, people guessed in this thread
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Post by: TAC on April 22, 2017, 05:05:09 PM
TBOS track switch  :tup
The Classic track switch  :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 22, 2017, 05:43:11 PM
TBOS track switch  :tup
The Classic track switch  :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn

This!
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Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2017, 06:02:21 AM
01. If Eternity Should Fail
02. Speed Of Light
03. Wrathchild
04. Children Of The Damned
05. Death Or Glory
06. The Red And The Black
07. The Trooper
08. Powerslave
09. The Great Unknown (live debut)
10. The Book Of Souls
11. Fear Of The Dark
12. Iron Maiden

Encore:

13. The Number Of The Beast
14. Blood Brothers
15. Wasted Years

Good to see they finally dropped Clown.  Great Unknown is a solid choice.  With you guys though, WTF?  They drop Hallowed and put Wrathchild in?!?!?!?!?!  Ripped off.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2017, 06:09:38 AM
Wrathchild is becoming the easy replacement song of their setlists. Something doesn't work for a reason or the other, they stick in Wrathchild. Damn stop playing that song forever and ever already.

About Hallowed, I wonder if it's starting to take its toll on Bruce. They've given it a rest for the Maiden England tour, brought it back in grand style for the new tour, and out of all songs they decided to drop *that*? seems to me a choice oriented for Bruce, if they wanted to drop it just because it's an overplayed classic, they wouldn't have snuck Wrathchild back in.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 24, 2017, 07:06:42 AM
Love Wrathchild, no concerns from me. 2 months to my show!
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 24, 2017, 09:17:24 AM
Still being a newish fan, can someone tell me if there's a reason the main set always end with Fear/IM?
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Post by: Stadler on April 24, 2017, 09:19:58 AM
Because Steve Harris says so.   (Not really kidding with that answer, either). 
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2017, 09:22:41 AM
Still being a newish fan, can someone tell me if there's a reason the main set always end with Fear/IM?

Iron Maiden: because it's their namesake song, and they always, literally ALWAYS, closed the (main) set with that. And with Eddie appearing in a way or the other, so it's the climatical moment of the theatrical side of the show, the one involving Eddie.

Fear of the Dark before that: Steve Harris considers it the ultimate Maiden live song. So it's only logical that after such a big climax, you can only end the (main part of the) show without having further songs after that.

This rule has been rarely discarded in later years, at least in a tour Hallowed Be Thy Name and/or Run to the Hills snuck in between Fear of the Dark and Iron Maiden.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 24, 2017, 09:24:23 AM
Got it, thanks
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Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2017, 03:39:54 PM
About Hallowed, I wonder if it's starting to take its toll on Bruce. They've given it a rest for the Maiden England tour, brought it back in grand style for the new tour, and out of all songs they decided to drop *that*? seems to me a choice oriented for Bruce, if they wanted to drop it just because it's an overplayed classic, they wouldn't have snuck Wrathchild back in.

I thought this must be the reason also.  Has to be.
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Post by: TAC on April 24, 2017, 03:41:04 PM
But The Great Unknown must be a killer on Bruce.
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Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2017, 04:05:55 PM
But The Great Unknown must be a killer on Bruce.

Good point.  Great song though.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 25, 2017, 10:39:50 AM
And now, the randomness: I've suddenly realized that Viggo Mortensen could play Bruce Dickinson in a movie about him.

I'm not saying that they look alke, but there's enough of a vague resemblance to be a starting point for a make up artist. Also, they're both badass people, so that helps too.
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Post by: El Barto on April 25, 2017, 06:56:27 PM
Wrathchild is becoming the easy replacement song of their setlists. Something doesn't work for a reason or the other, they stick in Wrathchild. Damn stop playing that song forever and ever already.
I think you might be right here. I know they played BtaTS here on the first night of the TFF tour, and then dropped it forever the next night for Wrathchild. In this case they thought it created a lull. I guess it's just one they can all play in their sleep without any rehearsal.

That was also a weird tour where they had A/B setlists, which I don't recall seeing otherwise.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 26, 2017, 01:04:02 AM
It was more like trying out some songs at the beginning, and then setting on a static setlist once the've ruled out the songs that weren't working.

Paschendale for Dance of Death was ok I guess, but Brighter for Wrathchild... meh  :D
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2017, 08:29:59 AM
Yea, that tour settled into the setlist after the first handful of dates.  From the fan club videos at the time, the reasoning was Nicko was struggling.
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Post by: El Barto on April 26, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
Their intention was to alternate Paschendale and DoD for the tour, but as stated, dropped the former due to it being rough on Nicko. Whether or not alternating one spot in the setlist qualifies as A/B is debatable, but for Maiden it was pretty damned unusual. Dropping Brighter was simply because of the crowd reaction to it. Personally, I'm just thrilled I got to see both versions.
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 26, 2017, 09:02:01 AM
Haven't seen Maiden enough times to not be bummed at them dropping Hallowed :(
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2017, 09:14:00 AM
Haven't seen Maiden enough times to not be bummed at them dropping Hallowed :(

I've seen them enough to still be bummed about it.  It's their best song IMO and great live.  I'd gladly give up all the other staples to keep that song instead.
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 26, 2017, 09:22:16 AM
Haven't seen Maiden enough times to not be bummed at them dropping Hallowed :(

I've seen them enough to still be bummed about it.  It's their best song IMO and great live.  I'd gladly give up all the other staples to keep that song instead.

To me that song is like Master of Puppets in that it wasn't their biggest commercial hit but it's so beloved by fans that it should pretty much always be in their setlist.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 26, 2017, 09:37:06 AM
The Trooper is the overplayed song that I never get tired of, 'cause it's a short rush of adrenaline and oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-ing. I'm fine with Hallowed going, but I'd have The Number of the Beast going before that.
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Post by: El Barto on April 26, 2017, 09:46:58 AM
Fear of the Dark is always my first choice to get the axe, but it'll never happen. And honestly, does anybody really care about seeing Iron Maiden played live every damn show?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2017, 09:56:50 AM
Yea, dropping IM for any other song would be an instant boost to the setlist IMO.  I've never even found that song enjoyable and the only thing that makes it alright live is the Eddie appearance, which can be added to any song really.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 26, 2017, 09:59:27 AM
Yes, it's so iconic that it would feel that something is missing, and it's the best excuse to shout "Iron Maiden" and see a big Eddie.

It could and should have been dropped earlier in their history, by now it feels just so wrong to go without it.

About Fear of the Dark... they never should have played it in the history tours. I can accept it being always in the set, but the history tours were a golden chance to get rid of it. They did that only on the Early Days tour.
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Post by: Stadler on April 26, 2017, 11:59:23 AM
Yes, it's so iconic that it would feel that something is missing, and it's the best excuse to shout "Iron Maiden" and see a big Eddie.

It could and should have been dropped earlier in their history, by now it feels just so wrong to go without it.

About Fear of the Dark... they never should have played it in the history tours. I can accept it being always in the set, but the history tours were a golden chance to get rid of it. They did that only on the Early Days tour.

Yeah, I'm with you guys on that; I can take "Iron Maiden"; it's 3 minutes, you get Ed, you get history, blah blah blah.   FotD is a very good song, but not 'every single tour' good.   There are ten songs - and not even deep cuts - that I would rather hear than that. 
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2017, 12:03:24 PM
Fear of the Dark definitely should not have been included on the history tours.  Otherwise, I love it live.  I would say it's my second favorite of the live staples behind Hallowed.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 26, 2017, 12:06:28 PM
By now with Fear of the Dark I look forward only to the initial slow part, it always crack me up to see whatever variation of "You / Nation name / Town name" Bruce comes up with, he never really does twice the same thing, and that little funny moment alone is worth to have it in the set  :D
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Post by: TAC on April 26, 2017, 12:40:27 PM

Yeah, I'm with you guys on that; I can take "Iron Maiden"; it's 3 minutes, you get Ed, you get history, blah blah blah.   FotD is a very good song, but not 'every single tour' good.   There are ten songs - and not even deep cuts - that I would rather hear than that.

That's how I feel about The Number Of The Beast.
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Post by: El Barto on April 26, 2017, 12:59:29 PM

Yeah, I'm with you guys on that; I can take "Iron Maiden"; it's 3 minutes, you get Ed, you get history, blah blah blah.   FotD is a very good song, but not 'every single tour' good.   There are ten songs - and not even deep cuts - that I would rather hear than that.

That's how I feel about The Number Of The Beast.
Yeah, but the various devil's they've always brought along are far more interesting than the various Eddies. I can live without seeing Eddie play with Janick for 5 minutes. The BoS devil was great, but I also liked the earlier one that always followed Bruce around with his eyes.
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Post by: PowerSlave on April 26, 2017, 02:13:44 PM
Every time that I've seen the band they've played Hallowed. I know that it was their "staple" closer, but after all these years I thought that they were missing an opportunity to pull out some of their other epics. I think that if they played To Tame a Land that it would be very well received. Of course, they've never played Alexander live, either. There are plenty of other choices.
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Post by: Mosh on April 26, 2017, 04:53:05 PM
Iron Maiden (the song) gets a pass for being short and the cue for Eddie. Fear of the Dark should go. I get that it's a crowd pleasure but that song honestly bores me. Hallowed is in a similar boat at this point. Every time they play it it feels like they're going through the motions. NOTB is hit and miss. Run To the Hills should've been retired 10 years ago at least. The Trooper is still awesome.
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Post by: TAC on April 26, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
So, this is what bothers me about most long term bands building setlists. If they have 3 or 4 songs played every tour, then I can accept that. But it's those secondary songs that get played over and over. Granted Powerslave and COTD are great tunes, but they have been on most of the recent tours, no?
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Post by: Mosh on April 26, 2017, 06:11:37 PM
Not necessarily. Both were played on the SBIT and Ed Hunter tours, Children was played in 2007. So not super common, although they could go deeper.
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Post by: TAC on April 26, 2017, 06:15:43 PM
I guess you're right, but I just feel like the secondary pool of Classic Era songs to choose from is relatively small.
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Post by: wolfking on April 26, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
I guess you're right, but I just feel like the secondary pool of Classic Era songs to choose from is relatively small.

You're right.  Those songs are like a backup go to set of songs to warrant the need for change in the sets over tours.  They are not there every tour so I reckon gives the band that peace of mind that they are giving the something a little rare, even though to die hard fans, they really aren't.
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Post by: Mosh on April 26, 2017, 11:08:24 PM
For sure. I was slightly disappointed that they went with COTD after hyping up a "rare" song. I was hoping they'd go deeper. I always thought Sea of Madness in particular would go down well nowadays, Bruce would sound better on it than in the 80s. Or for a song that has never been played live, Flash Of the Blade is perfect for the 3 guitar lineup.

I will say that in the band's defense, 7 years is a reasonably large gap for a song. I'm sure it did seem like a rare song for people who aren't as hardcore. Still, there's plenty of room for just one actual rare song per tour.
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Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2017, 06:46:22 AM
Yeah, sometimes they do have a decent break between these second tier rarity songs, but when the band have so much quality material, there's endless options.  I guess the band are getting older and still tour so much, they really wouldn't have the energy or patience to bring out something from the closet.  And, really, you can't blame them.
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Post by: El Barto on April 27, 2017, 08:19:32 AM
Yeah, sometimes they do have a decent break between these second tier rarity songs, but when the band have so much quality material, there's endless options.  I guess the band are getting older and still tour so much, they really wouldn't have the energy or patience to bring out something from the closet.  And, really, you can't blame them.
This is my take on it. I just don't think they're the sort of guys that can re-learn to play Icarus during a few sound-checks. Not to mention working in a pointless 3rd guitar. And that second point might be a key problem here. I might be off base, but it's possible that of all the songs they might want to work into a live show, only some of those could work well with Janick thrown into the mix.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2017, 08:28:43 AM
I just don't think there is any incentive to play anything else.  They play the newest songs and that's fresh for them and fulfills a lot of the hunger from fans.  Then they satisfy the rest with the classics.  They don't have to practice so much or prepare (beyond the new songs), the show is simple since it's the same every night, and they walk away with tons of cash after each show.  Playing a rare song only opens up the possibility of criticism from the old fans for not playing a classic and the new fans for "Janick butchered Adrian's solo" or whatever. 
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Post by: cfmoran13 on April 27, 2017, 08:36:09 AM
[This is my take on it. I just don't think they're the sort of guys that can re-learn to play Icarus during a few sound-checks. Not to mention working in a pointless 3rd guitar. And that second point might be a key problem here. I might be off base, but it's possible that of all the songs they might want to work into a live show, only some of those could work well with Janick thrown into the mix.
C'mon!  We all know Janick's guitar isn't plugged in.   ;D
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Post by: Mosh on April 27, 2017, 09:13:57 AM
Yeah, sometimes they do have a decent break between these second tier rarity songs, but when the band have so much quality material, there's endless options.  I guess the band are getting older and still tour so much, they really wouldn't have the energy or patience to bring out something from the closet.  And, really, you can't blame them.
This is my take on it. I just don't think they're the sort of guys that can re-learn to play Icarus during a few sound-checks. Not to mention working in a pointless 3rd guitar. And that second point might be a key problem here. I might be off base, but it's possible that of all the songs they might want to work into a live show, only some of those could work well with Janick thrown into the mix.
I don't know about that. Many of their 80s tunes already have more than 2 guitar parts and they already have a system for dividing up rhythm guitar (Janick plays high, Dave does midrange power chords, Adrian does low chords/drop D).

FWIW, they've been entertaining the idea of playing songs that have never been played live before quite a bit in interviews lately. Nicko has wanted to do that for years but now Steve has mentioned it a few times too. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens on the next nostalgia tour.
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Post by: El Barto on April 27, 2017, 09:21:21 AM
Yeah, sometimes they do have a decent break between these second tier rarity songs, but when the band have so much quality material, there's endless options.  I guess the band are getting older and still tour so much, they really wouldn't have the energy or patience to bring out something from the closet.  And, really, you can't blame them.
This is my take on it. I just don't think they're the sort of guys that can re-learn to play Icarus during a few sound-checks. Not to mention working in a pointless 3rd guitar. And that second point might be a key problem here. I might be off base, but it's possible that of all the songs they might want to work into a live show, only some of those could work well with Janick thrown into the mix.
I don't know about that. Many of their 80s tunes already have more than 2 guitar parts and they already have a system for dividing up rhythm guitar (Janick plays high, Dave does midrange power chords, Adrian does low chords/drop D).
Fair enough. I'll certainly defer to you on that.
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Post by: Stadler on April 27, 2017, 10:00:58 AM
I think Cram is closest, though that theory goes out the window with the "history" tours.  They already play over half a set of new material that most people will not be intimate with, so to have the "older" stuff all be nuggets is probably asking more than Steve is willing to do.   Plus, theirs is not a stage set that lends itself to a Grateful Dead style set juggle.  I don't know; I suppose I'm making excuses for them now, but it could be a lot worse. 
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Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2017, 06:05:54 PM
I think they are so proud and reliant on the new material also which hurts the opportunity of old gems coming out.
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Post by: jjrock88 on April 27, 2017, 07:16:28 PM
I think it's impossible for a band like Iron Maiden to please all of their fans with the set list so like Wolf said, they play a good chunk of the new songs because they are proud of them. And they should be because they are outstanding songs. And then they just throw in a handful of safe known older songs that the majority of fans all dig. It's a good formula and is clearly working for them.

Bring on a new live album!
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Post by: Mosh on April 27, 2017, 09:59:40 PM
I think Cram is closest, though that theory goes out the window with the "history" tours.  They already play over half a set of new material that most people will not be intimate with, so to have the "older" stuff all be nuggets is probably asking more than Steve is willing to do.   Plus, theirs is not a stage set that lends itself to a Grateful Dead style set juggle.  I don't know; I suppose I'm making excuses for them now, but it could be a lot worse. 
Of all the classic prog/hard rock/metal bands, Rush had the winning formula. They always pulled out plenty of rarities and usually left certain spots open for rotating songs while still allowing the rest of the set to be bound to the stage show. Granted they did 3 hour concerts, but I think Maiden could do something similar. Have COTD and Blood Brothers be rotating spots for example.
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Post by: Mladen on April 28, 2017, 05:15:22 AM
I attended the two Oberhausen shows several days ago. Fantastic gigs as always. The Great unknown isn't one of my favorites on the album but it works remarkably well live and it really was one of the highlights, very exciting point of the show. As far as the other set list change is concerned, they might as well retire Hallowed be thy name - even though it's a masterpiece, it's been played to death and it can make room for some other songs. Wrathchild, however, was the laziest possible replacement.  :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 28, 2017, 05:24:35 AM
Indeed, even The Wicker Man, Rainmaker or Different World would have been better.
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Post by: Mladen on April 28, 2017, 09:54:41 AM
The Wicker man would have actually been fantastic, especially at that spot.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 05, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
I attended the two Oberhausen shows several days ago. Fantastic gigs as always. The Great unknown isn't one of my favorites on the album but it works remarkably well live and it really was one of the highlights, very exciting point of the show. As far as the other set list change is concerned, they might as well retire Hallowed be thy name - even though it's a masterpiece, it's been played to death and it can make room for some other songs. Wrathchild, however, was the laziest possible replacement.  :lol

Interesting - not a particular favourite for me either, but it's not a bad song. I'll be seeing them in Dublin tomorrow night, so we'll see how it goes over. I think the song I'm most looking forward to from the new album is the title track - it's one of the standouts, along with Empire.

I don't really care for The Red and the Black at all. Just far too much repetition.

It will be interesting to see if they play The Trooper. They definitely didn't play it on the last tour in Belfast. Unfortunately, politics is still an issue here, and the waving of the Union Jack hasn't gone down well in the past.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 07, 2017, 05:12:35 AM
https://youtu.be/GLyNLkmGcOQ

Fantastic show in Dublin last night! We did get The Trooper, and it went down a storm - one of the highlights of the night.

The new material was well received too, and despite what I said about TRATB, it did go over really well live.
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Post by: TAC on May 07, 2017, 08:03:20 AM
The live clips from TRATB from the last leg were incredible. So happy that stayed in the set.
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Post by: El Barto on May 07, 2017, 11:25:16 AM
Yeah, I don't much fare for TRatB, but it really does come off great live.
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Post by: TAC on May 07, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
I've always loved that long instrumental part. Sure, it's a bit repeating, but I like that kind of thing. I just thought the rest of the song wasn't up to snuff. But watching the clips of it live, it is awesome. Would've been very bummed if I missed that.
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Post by: Architeuthis on May 07, 2017, 01:17:46 PM
Just saw the Iron Maidens last night, and they rocked! Best tribute band I've ever seen, almost as good as the real band.....almost! Very entertaining show and they were all very nice ladies at the meet and greet afterwards. Anyone else ever seen them?
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Post by: jjrock88 on May 07, 2017, 07:22:44 PM
I just checked out youtube footage for the first time of the Iron Maidens.

Talented for sure and also much much hotter than I expected.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 08, 2017, 01:29:13 AM
Steve Harris said that they feel they have at least one more album in them  :metal it was an interview in the Sun, he said that as long as they're all fit and healthy, Nicko included who is the oldest, they can do at least one more album  :tup
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 08, 2017, 02:09:16 AM
I think this is the article you read:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3496434/iron-maiden-confirm-theyll-record-at-least-one-more-studio-album-as-they-kick-off-first-uk-tour-in-seven-years/
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Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2017, 09:09:26 AM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal

Great news!
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Post by: Mosh on May 08, 2017, 10:30:58 AM
I'd like to start the Iron Maiden discography thread this summer. Dunno how busy I'll be in the future so now is the best time to do it.
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Post by: TAC on May 08, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
Go for it, bro!
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Post by: Samsara on May 08, 2017, 12:54:12 PM
Happy to hear Maiden likely has one more record left in the tank. I'm really excited to see them live again this summer. Been a while, and this will be as close as I've ever been, seating-wise. This will be my fifth Maiden gig, and first time in five years.  :metal
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Post by: Architeuthis on May 08, 2017, 01:36:56 PM
I just checked out youtube footage for the first time of the Iron Maidens.

Talented for sure and also much much hotter than I expected.
They really are great performers and play the songs verbatim. Bruce Dickinson even said they are the best Maiden tribute band out there. If they ever come through your area, it only costs 10-15 dollars to see them, more than worth it!  They played a excellent rendition of Mooncry, and many other classics and closed the show with Hallowed Be Thy Name..  :metal
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Post by: wolfking on May 08, 2017, 06:44:12 PM
I'd like to start the Iron Maiden discography thread this summer. Dunno how busy I'll be in the future so now is the best time to do it.

YES!!

It's great that another album will more than likely happen, but the curse of time is really scary these days.  To think that the end of the band is in sight just because of father time is hard to fathom, even though it's pure reality.  Interesting that if Nicko was unable to continue then that would decide the fate of the band also.
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Post by: PowerSlave on May 08, 2017, 08:59:37 PM
Has anyone heard any rumors of the other guys having any health issues? Bruce's ordeal was scary enough, but he seems to be completely back in full form. Outside of my selfish reasons for wanting them to be well (more music and tours...), they all seem to be great people, and I'd hope that they get to fully enjoy their retirement when the day finally comes.
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Post by: Mosh on May 08, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
Stay tuned for a discography thread starting sometime this week!

It is a bummer that the end is near, but I'm really loving the band's messaging lately. Remember back when TFF came out? When asked if it was the last album the band never gave a definitive answer really until they were getting ready to go back into the studio. And even then they never really said there was an album coming. The answers were always along the lines of "we'd like to but who knows what will happen". This time around it has been definitive that they will make another album pretty much since TBOS came out.

Also, if they immediately go into the studio after this tour, it will be the first time we get a new album without a nostalgia tour in between since the 90s.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2017, 01:03:12 AM
It's since Dance of Death that "the end is near", when they announced they would scale back on tours and do them mostly in the summer. I cherish their longevity and applaud their commitment to more music and whenever they will feel their time is up, that will be it... until then, Up the Irons!  :metal
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 09, 2017, 01:58:22 AM
Interesting interview with Rod. The first part is mostly about beating the ticket touts, but the question about retirement comes up here:

https://youtu.be/w8u7uND4HSs?t=216 (https://youtu.be/w8u7uND4HSs?t=216)
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Post by: wolfking on May 09, 2017, 05:40:05 AM
Has anyone heard any rumors of the other guys having any health issues? Bruce's ordeal was scary enough, but he seems to be completely back in full form. Outside of my selfish reasons for wanting them to be well (more music and tours...), they all seem to be great people, and I'd hope that they get to fully enjoy their retirement when the day finally comes.

No, the way they have been touring there is no reason to think that either.  If something happened to one of them like Bruce, I'm sure they'd be a statement.

It's good to read they are looking after themselves, things happen, but yeah, let's hope everyone finishes their career on their terms and they all stay well.
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Post by: jammindude on May 11, 2017, 05:37:40 PM
So I just picked up Final Frontier last weekend (off the used rack) and it's been shuffling in my iPod.   And I just heard El Dorado for the first time today.

Why did anyone have a problem with that song?  For all the flack it gets, I was expecting something like "Bring Your Daughter"....but it was actually really cool!   I was pleasantly surprised!   I like it a ton better than Blood Brothers or Brave New World.
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Post by: TAC on May 11, 2017, 05:51:08 PM
So I just picked up Final Frontier last weekend 

Wut??

Where you been, man?
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Post by: jammindude on May 11, 2017, 05:54:13 PM
So I just picked up Final Frontier last weekend 

Wut??

Where you been, man?

Brave New World turned me off big time.  After that, I just got out of Maiden for a long time.   Didn't hear any of the reunion albums until someone turned me on to AMOLD just a couple years ago.   Since then, I've been slowly getting back into them.
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Post by: TAC on May 11, 2017, 06:18:53 PM
How did BNW turn you off?
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Post by: jammindude on May 11, 2017, 09:33:59 PM
Gee (we're blood brothers) I don't know (we're blood brothers) maybe (we're blood brothers) it was that I thought (we're blood brothers) the lazy chorus writing from VXI (we're blood brothers) would get turned around (we're blood brothers).   But (we're blood brothers) when I spun the album (we're blood brothers) it turns out (we're blood brothers) that Steve hadn't learned a bloody thing.

Which would also explain why I thought AMOLAD was amazing.  It only had one or two songs that suffered from the "let's repeat the title of the song 8 or 16 times and WHAMMO....INSTANT CHORUS"   The entire album seems much more thought out. 

In fact, I find that my enjoyment of a Maiden album is directly related to how many of the choruses are the musical equivalent of Chinese Water Torture.     1 or 2 songs can mean a great album.   3 or 4 is a meh album.   More than 5 and I will probably never spin that album again.
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Post by: El Barto on May 11, 2017, 09:58:21 PM
I think most people agree that AMoLaD is an exceptional album, both figuratively and literally. There was some very interesting songwriting on it, by which I mean uncharacteristic of Maiden, and it was all very well done. I have a similar take on the post-reunion albums as you, but rather looking at the number of bad songs I'm looking at how many good, atypical Maiden songs there are. The interesting ones. From that standpoint I didn't care all that much for BNW or TFF. I didn't dislike BNW, but it was pretty average. TFF only has one song that does really does something for me.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 12, 2017, 04:27:52 AM
I share some of the frustrations about repeat repeat repeating, and my other bugbear is bookend intros and outros that go on just a bit too long. This is why I don't care for The Red and The Black very much, as to me it represents the worst of that sort of stuff.

I can find things to like on all the reunion albums, with AMOLAD probably being the most consistent in quality. The only think I'm not keen on with that album (and most of the reunion albums) is the really "dry" sounding production, with very little vocal harmonies.

Assuming there will be another album, I'd love for them to go with another producer, who'd really challenge and push them on the songwriting front. Though, at this stage in their career, I can't see the formula changing very much.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2017, 06:38:31 AM
So I just picked up Final Frontier last weekend 

Wut??

Where you been, man?

Brave New World turned me off big time.  After that, I just got out of Maiden for a long time.   Didn't hear any of the reunion albums until someone turned me on to AMOLD just a couple years ago.   Since then, I've been slowly getting back into them.

Id suggest the Book of Souls then, also doesn't suffer from repetition.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 12, 2017, 07:57:21 AM
So I just picked up Final Frontier last weekend (off the used rack) and it's been shuffling in my iPod.   And I just heard El Dorado for the first time today.

Why did anyone have a problem with that song?  For all the flack it gets, I was expecting something like "Bring Your Daughter"....but it was actually really cool!   I was pleasantly surprised!   I like it a ton better than Blood Brothers or Brave New World.
Great album.  Great song.  And I really haven't seen it get MUCH flak, outside a small number of people who are just very vocal about it.  Have you watched En Vivo?  If not, you should.  It's a fantastic DVD.
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Post by: Mosh on May 12, 2017, 10:59:17 AM
So I just picked up Final Frontier last weekend (off the used rack) and it's been shuffling in my iPod.   And I just heard El Dorado for the first time today.

Why did anyone have a problem with that song?  For all the flack it gets, I was expecting something like "Bring Your Daughter"....but it was actually really cool!   I was pleasantly surprised!   I like it a ton better than Blood Brothers or Brave New World.
Great album.  Great song.  And I really haven't seen it get MUCH flak, outside a small number of people who are just very vocal about it.  Have you watched En Vivo?  If not, you should.  It's a fantastic DVD.
It had a mixed reception when it came out but I think most people are fine with it. The problem with modern Maiden is that the epics tend to overshadow the shorter tunes. I think El Dorado could stand up to most of the short rockers from the 80s.

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Post by: Mladen on May 12, 2017, 02:30:22 PM
Well, if we're talking about the shorter, punchier tracks on The Final frontier, I would say The Alchemist is an absolute highlight. However, the highlights are in the second half, they truly delivered with the epics.
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Post by: wolfking on May 12, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
Don't get me started on El Dorado.
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Post by: Mosh on May 12, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
The Alchemist is awesome. Should've been a single and should've been played live.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 13, 2017, 04:38:14 AM
The Alchemist is awesome. Should've been a single and should've been played live.

Ditto!
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Post by: Architeuthis on May 13, 2017, 12:33:32 PM
So I just picked up Final Frontier last weekend (off the used rack) and it's been shuffling in my iPod.   And I just heard El Dorado for the first time today.

Why did anyone have a problem with that song?  For all the flack it gets, I was expecting something like "Bring Your Daughter"....but it was actually really cool!   I was pleasantly surprised!   I like it a ton better than Blood Brothers or Brave New World.
Great album.  Great song.  And I really haven't seen it get MUCH flak, outside a small number of people who are just very vocal about it.  Have you watched En Vivo?  If not, you should.  It's a fantastic DVD.
It is a great show! My only problem with the DVD is that the camera editing jumps around way too much. That gets frustrating and takes away from the concert experience.
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Post by: nobloodyname on May 14, 2017, 04:41:30 AM
Turns out Hallowed was dropped because of a legal dispute.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/heavy-metal-legends-iron-maiden-shelve-fans-favourite-song-legal/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/heavy-metal-legends-iron-maiden-shelve-fans-favourite-song-legal/)

Here's the song in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBmLmYz6A0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBmLmYz6A0)
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 14, 2017, 04:56:56 AM
All we need now is that someone sues Maiden for plagiarism in Fear of the Dark.
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Post by: wolfking on May 14, 2017, 05:03:28 AM
Hang on, if Steve says it was resolved with one of the song writers years ago, who the fuck is this McKay guy to go ahead and sue Steve.  And what's poor old Dave getting dragged to court also?  :lol

I didn't know it took lyrics from this song.  That's where the similarities end though.

EDIT: Hang on, as I listen to this song while I type, now I know why Dave is involved.  He took the second half for the Nomad.  Cool stuff.
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Post by: jammindude on May 14, 2017, 10:12:20 AM
The entire song carries a VERY similar feel to the entire "waiting in my cold cell" section of Hallowed...but ya, this is where the line blurs a bit for me as to the difference between stealing a song, and simply lifting a single idea as a point of inspiration that grows into something completely different. 

James Taylor was working on a song called "Something in the Way She Moves".    George Harrison said, "Hey, I like that line.  Can I use it?"  JT said sure.   Harrison, of course, wrote "Something" and it became a huge hit for the Beatles.   That story is well documented enough that James Taylor *COULD* take the Harrison estate to court for co-authorship of the song....but he's not a starving artist who never made it....so there's that. 
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Post by: PowerSlave on May 14, 2017, 11:46:29 AM
That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.
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Post by: Zydar on May 14, 2017, 11:50:55 AM
That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Apparently it was released in 1974.

https://www.discogs.com/Beckett-Beckett/release/1323464
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Post by: PowerSlave on May 14, 2017, 11:58:56 AM
That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Apparently it was released in 1974.

https://www.discogs.com/Beckett-Beckett/release/1323464

WtMN came out in '75, so it pre-dates that, then. That's the only thing that it sounds similar to to me. Other than the song key, I'm not hearing anything that reminds me of Hallowed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 14, 2017, 12:04:53 PM
That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Not really catching the Alice comparison, although some of the instrumentation sounds a little similar, but not the song. I actually think of the verses to Peruvian Skies.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 15, 2017, 12:20:03 AM
That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Apparently it was released in 1974.

https://www.discogs.com/Beckett-Beckett/release/1323464

WtMN came out in '75, so it pre-dates that, then. That's the only thing that it sounds similar to to me. Other than the song key, I'm not hearing anything that reminds me of Hallowed.

Some of the words appear to have been directly lifted.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: BelichickFan on May 15, 2017, 07:51:59 AM
I can see Maiden having "stolen" the concept.  And there's the run of about 5 lines of lyrics which are distinctly similar.  Overall, though, it's not the same song at all.  There's a long discussion here :

https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/the-beckett-connection.19282/

including a former Beckett member saying "I love what they have done with all our material"  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 15, 2017, 08:42:35 AM
https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/the-beckett-connection.19282/

I read a bit of that thread earlier this morning - interesting stuff..

Another article about it here: https://www.metaltalk.net/news_seventeen/iron_maiden_advised_to_settle_out_of_court.php (https://www.metaltalk.net/news_seventeen/iron_maiden_advised_to_settle_out_of_court.php)

There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on May 15, 2017, 09:02:14 AM
There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?

The link from maidenfans.com had someone summarize the new lawsuit as follows:   

Maiden settled with one of the Beckett dudes a number of years ago.  That guy lied to another person from Beckett about the settlement.  Now that guy found out that he was lied to and he's going after Maiden for his piece of the pie in the new lawsuit.

Settling with the second guy would be the quickest way out, but I'd hope/wish that they could say "hey, we already settled this once, and it's not our problem if these two guys can't be honest and sort it out with each other."  Sadly, the world doesn't work that way and Maiden will probably have to pony up again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 15, 2017, 10:10:10 AM
There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?

The link from maidenfans.com had someone summarize the new lawsuit as follows:   

Maiden settled with one of the Beckett dudes a number of years ago.  That guy lied to another person from Beckett about the settlement.  Now that guy found out that he was lied to and he's going after Maiden for his piece of the pie in the new lawsuit.

Settling with the second guy would be the quickest way out, but I'd hope/wish that they could say "hey, we already settled this once, and it's not our problem if these two guys can't be honest and sort it out with each other."  Sadly, the world doesn't work that way and Maiden will probably have to pony up again.

Froem what I read, it's slightly different than that.   Two guys from Beckett wrote the song.  One guy - the lyricist - settled with Harris.  The guy suing Maiden allegedly (he hasn't proved it yet) bought the interest of the other guy, who, prior to the sale, renegotiated his share from the first guy.  The guy suing Maiden is saying that the interest he bought rights to is now covered - in part - by the so-called "settlement", but he's claiming it wasn't settled.  That's how I understand it.

By the way, Maiden covered another Beckett song - Rainbow's Gold - as a b-side to... I think it was Two Minutes To Midnight. In case anyone cares, the singer for Beckett (what a dumb name for a band) was the guy that took over for Brian Johnson in Georgie when Brian made the disasterous decision to jump from Geordie down to AC/DC. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2017, 04:58:05 AM
Stumbled upon this orchestral medley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6a0NWI0do

It has Fear of the Dark, 666 and Run to the Hills.

It's all nice and cool, but Fear of the Dark is far more effective than the other two songs. Should ever Maiden do an orchestral concert, they should focus on songs from the reunion era which can be translated better into an orchestral setting, rather than just playing 23:58 and The Trooper the same way they are, but with violins doubling the guitar tracks.

Or they could rearrange the faster songs and translate them into more orchestra-ish pieces, like DT did with Gangland when they completely rearranged the song. Well, I don't particulary like Gangland nor the jazz version of DT, but it was just an example of how a song can be taken and rearranged into something else.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2017, 08:34:37 PM
Just want to say that the No Prayer For The Dying title track is fantastic, and it's a shame that it's never been featured on any subsequent tours.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 04, 2017, 04:57:35 AM
Just want to say that the No Prayer For The Dying title track is fantastic, and it's a shame that it's never been featured on any subsequent tours.

One of the most underrated Maiden songs of all time.  Would make my top 20, maybe 15.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 04, 2017, 05:32:01 AM
I see them for the first time tonight  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 04, 2017, 05:41:18 AM
I see them for the first time tonight  :metal

You're in for a hell of an experience mate, enjoy it.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
Just want to say that the No Prayer For The Dying title track is fantastic, and it's a shame that it's never been featured on any subsequent tours.

One of the most underrated Maiden songs of all time.  Would make my top 20, maybe 15.

Right where I'd put it too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2017, 07:49:58 AM
I see them for the first time tonight  :metal

You're in for a hell of an experience mate, enjoy it.  :metal

Nice!  :metal :metal WEDnesday for me!  First of three times this summer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2017, 07:58:56 AM
You suck!  ;D



Got 6 weeks to wait for Mansfield.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2017, 11:35:31 AM
Saw this on Maidenfans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL5wD2Q0Z1A&t

It Bruce and Nicko telling the story of Empire Of The Clouds.




Nicko.."But you can't play the piano!"  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 04, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
Interesting insight!

This song is really full of Bruce's passion for flight and all of his compositional and singing skills.

I thank Ronnie James (Dio, which means god in italian), the gods of heavy metal, his doctors and his cleverness in doing frequent check-ups that his health is back to normal, but if anything had gone wrong, what a swan song to leave behind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 04, 2017, 09:30:22 PM
Just got back from the show

Bruce is god. For someone who is almost 60, I am shocked beyond words how amazing of a frontman he is. He is the epitome of frontman as far as I am concerned.

They all were incredible. That will go down as one of my favorite shows ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2017, 09:25:33 AM
 :metal :metal :metal

Posted this in the concerts thread but I am so frickin pumped, I logged into my IM fan club account and found an email...

Quote
Congratulations - you are going to be 'First To The Barrier' in Newark!

I am so excited!  I wont Heaven Can Wait before and now this... the only fan club I've ever joined and it's totally been worth it every time I renew.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2017, 09:33:25 AM
So cool Cram! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on June 06, 2017, 10:24:47 AM
Epic :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 06, 2017, 01:05:17 PM
Seeing Iron Maiden from the front row must be something that trascend human comprehension until you live it  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2017, 01:06:01 PM
It IS!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2017, 01:22:07 PM
Yea, I've been up front a few times, but never been able to get in front of the people who won the FTTB contest.  I ended up just taking tomorrow off (already had Thursday off and I go on vacation next week) which will make it easier to get there on time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2017, 01:32:23 PM
Cram, you are THE MAN! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on June 06, 2017, 01:34:58 PM
Seeing Iron Maiden from the front row must be something that trascend human comprehension until you live it  :metal

I was able to do it once, on the Somewhere Back in Time tour, and we got right in front of Adrian and it was amazing. Caught a Harris wristband that day as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2017, 07:08:13 PM
The Book Of Souls from Philadelphia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MbBopUzw1c

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2017, 08:16:31 PM
Im so excited.  Just watched this https://youtu.be/-Hk76D_ExuA?t=1h18m9s (https://youtu.be/-Hk76D_ExuA?t=1h18m9s) the moment I got on stage with them (Im one of the first people who run on immediately to the left of Steve) but then the guy slaps Bruce's ass and it pans the the left and we see their wives dancing with them.  Such an awesome memory.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on June 06, 2017, 10:29:37 PM
That will be very cool Cram!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 07, 2017, 02:09:46 AM
The Book Of Souls from Philadelphia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MbBopUzw1c

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Great quality video. Then I made the mistake of reading some of the comments. Predictably, some "old school" fan complaining about too much new material. Sigh..

I personally thought there was a great balance on this set list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 07, 2017, 02:21:00 AM
Im so excited.  Just watched this https://youtu.be/-Hk76D_ExuA?t=1h18m9s (https://youtu.be/-Hk76D_ExuA?t=1h18m9s) the moment I got on stage with them (Im one of the first people who run on immediately to the left of Steve) but then the guy slaps Bruce's ass and it pans the the left and we see their wives dancing with them.  Such an awesome memory.
That was amazing.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 07, 2017, 05:17:11 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/nicko_mcbrain_i_dont_see_myself_playing_in_iron_maiden_that_much_longer_i_plan_to_bow_out_gracefully.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 07, 2017, 05:33:56 AM
I'm pretty sure that when Nicko decides to leave it's the end for Maiden, what I mean is that they probably already decided that they all end it together.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 07, 2017, 05:39:26 AM
I'm pretty sure that when Nicko decides to leave it's the end for Maiden, what I mean is that they probably already decided that they all end it together.

I'd like to see it go down that way. But I'm not so sure if the "cynical" side of them would prevail in a scenario where Nicko, freely and of his own will, says "guys, I can't do it anymore, I'm out, you do what you feel is right to do" and they continue, with the other 5 guys and someone you can't see anyway behind the kit.

They've been the best at many things, I hope they'll be the best also at retiring. All of them six together, this is the final album, this is the final tour, this is the final show, thank you and bye bye. No prolonged tours, no Bruce / Steve / H and some session players, no greatest hits tour after the goodbye tour etc.... I want them to go on until they can, and when they say it's over, that it's all really over.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jingle.boy on June 07, 2017, 06:13:12 AM
:iagree:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on June 07, 2017, 06:57:25 AM
I think we'll get one more album and one more massive tour. Sad to think that in another 5 years Maiden could be done. :'(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2017, 07:02:29 AM
Yea, maybe two tours though, an album support tour and a farewell greatest hits tour.

There's been little chatter about a new live album.  Kind of upsetting that we didn't get one for the Maiden England tour.  It would really suck if we didn't get one for The Book of Souls tour too.  Hoping they've just been hush hush about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 07, 2017, 07:25:37 AM
They should do official bootleg DVDs for each tour.

Nothing extremely fancy, just an honest and professional filming of a concert that you can relive at home, no need for expensive packaging, 1 hour of interview as bonus material etc... "you missed the tour or you've seen it and want to relive it again? here, watch this concert", and nothing more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2017, 07:28:16 AM
They should do official bootleg DVDs for each tour.

Nothing extremely fancy, just an honest and professional filming of a concert that you can relive at home, no need for expensive packaging, 1 hour of interview as bonus material etc... "you missed the tour or you've seen it and want to relive it again? here, watch this concert", and nothing more.

Well, isn't that what youtube has sort of become for live music now a days?  Between televised shows where you effectively get well produced live content (thinking Wacken) and then add in fan footage, you practically get the entire tour on video.  I'd rather a well done video like En Vivo, that's a fantastic live video.  Amazing quality that you aren't going to find on youtube.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: millahh on June 07, 2017, 07:30:09 AM
Alright, axeman and I are in for tonight.  Cramx, we'll wave to you since we're back in section 6  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 07, 2017, 07:30:58 AM
They should do official bootleg DVDs for each tour.

Nothing extremely fancy, just an honest and professional filming of a concert that you can relive at home, no need for expensive packaging, 1 hour of interview as bonus material etc... "you missed the tour or you've seen it and want to relive it again? here, watch this concert", and nothing more.

Well, isn't that what youtube has sort of become for live music now a days?  Between televised shows where you effectively get well produced live content (thinking Wacken) and then add in fan footage, you practically get the entire tour on video.  I'd rather a well done video like En Vivo, that's a fantastic live video.  Amazing quality that you aren't going to find on youtube.

Well, now that you made me think about it, actually the Wacken show is still on YouTube (I've watched the streaming in real time last August) and I'm pretty sure there's a full high quality show of the Maiden England tour in Germany as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 07, 2017, 09:39:44 AM
I've seen some so-so fan films of the AMOLAD tour....but if we could get a professional looking complete show from that tour, I'd be all over it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 07, 2017, 10:01:26 AM
If and when Nicko bows out, they should just move Jannick to drums.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 07, 2017, 10:13:04 AM
I'm pretty sure that when Nicko decides to leave it's the end for Maiden, what I mean is that they probably already decided that they all end it together.

I'd like to see it go down that way. But I'm not so sure if the "cynical" side of them would prevail in a scenario where Nicko, freely and of his own will, says "guys, I can't do it anymore, I'm out, you do what you feel is right to do" and they continue, with the other 5 guys and someone you can't see anyway behind the kit.
I just have a hard time seeing them continue without Nicko. The thought of seeing another drumkit on a Maiden stage or even seeing the drummer at all haunts me.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on June 07, 2017, 11:01:35 AM
Alright, axeman and I are in for tonight.  Cramx, we'll wave to you since we're back in section 6  :lol

:metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on June 07, 2017, 11:48:15 AM
I'm seeing the band in two days' time here in North Carolina. It'll be the second Maiden concert I've been to. :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2017, 02:25:24 PM
Alright, axeman and I are in for tonight.  Cramx, we'll wave to you since we're back in section 6  :lol

:metal :metal
:metal just made it to Newark!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2017, 02:26:09 PM
I expect to fire up that Cram youtube page in the morning!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2017, 02:30:25 PM
I expect to fire up that Cram youtube page in the morning!

Lol I hope to get some good video
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2017, 02:03:26 PM
What a concert!  Drank some Trooper beer before getting on the first to the barrier line.  Met a nice couple while waiting and chatting.  Ghost was very solid, Iron Maiden rocked.  I had two issues though, one my phone died and the other I had to pee sooooo bad, I eventually broke and left my spot up close.  :lol

Iron Maiden & Ghost Live Prudential Center (https://youtu.be/jlKzbUAZj-g)

(https://scontent.fewr1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18922629_10114045387502744_8159630940571174523_o.jpg?oh=883774265f703308a09710b4888f12b4&oe=59E00CE0)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on June 08, 2017, 02:19:29 PM
According to his Facebook page, Matt Barlow (ex Iced Earth) was standing not too far from where you were at.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2017, 02:21:58 PM
Is there any other front man in metal that could rock the monkey hat without losing credibility?  Bruce is the man.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on June 08, 2017, 02:57:22 PM
Less than a month til I see this in person. Get a ticket, bosk1. It's time to UP THE IRONS!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 08, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
Is there any other front man in metal that could rock the monkey hat without losing credibility?  Bruce is the man.

So true! he took a random lyric from the song, the weirdest one probably (which is still historically correct, 'cause the Red Baron described to feel like a monkey the way he had to reach the cockpit), and made it into the catch-line of the song, getting everyone to act silly. There are many bands who couldn't even afford to try something like this, 'cause they're super serious all the time and wouldn't mix well with some fun, but Maiden can do it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: millahh on June 08, 2017, 03:04:49 PM
What a concert!  Drank some Trooper beer before getting on the first to the barrier line.  Met a nice couple while waiting and chatting.  Ghost was very solid, Iron Maiden rocked.  I had two issues though, one my phone died and the other I had to pee sooooo bad, I eventually broke and left my spot up close.  :lol

Iron Maiden & Ghost Live Prudential Center (https://youtu.be/jlKzbUAZj-g)

(https://scontent.fewr1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18922629_10114045387502744_8159630940571174523_o.jpg?oh=883774265f703308a09710b4888f12b4&oe=59E00CE0)

I appreciate that, after throwing the banana into the crowd, he reminded the recipient to eat it   :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2017, 07:10:15 PM
Some great footage from Newark!
Children Of The Damned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqXPVkmF0S0

I love seeing Adrian and Janick on the same riser.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 08, 2017, 10:40:47 PM
I've always felt that Bruce Dickenson was the best frontman in all of metal, but seeing them Wednesday night in Newark confirmed it. I was up in the higher seats but I still felt like I was part of the show because of how engaging and entertaining he was.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on June 09, 2017, 12:48:43 AM
I haven't followed Maiden all that closely during the last few years, but i was under the impression that Bruce was not doing so well with live performances. With the cancer ordeal and everything, i wondered how long could he perform with the band.

Watched those Newark live clips out of curiosity, and it seems to me that he is improving! He hasn't sounded that good in years.

He is consistently hitting the studio notes, even in the classic era songs. That is impressive!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 09, 2017, 12:59:24 AM
Bruce really has never been anything then stellar, even after the cancer treatment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 09, 2017, 03:03:03 AM
Bruce has changed his technique through the years and now is more capable of hitting the high notes than he was from 86 to 94. And the only time when his performance was not 100% was during the last tour before he left Maiden - he seemed to not care too much anymore. Watch the Raising Hell video and see what I mean.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 09, 2017, 03:10:39 AM
I noticed a slight slump in the quality of his performance from 2010 up to 2014, where it was becoming more and more difficult for him to hit the high notes. In the last two years, however, he's improved significantly. The fact that he defeated cancer probably gave him a boost and made him appreciate the opportunity to still be able to do his job.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 07:52:48 AM
Yea Bruce was fantastic the other night.  You'd never know he had throat cancer or was getting up there in age.  He's simply amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 08:00:34 AM
When you sit at home and just watch a YouTube video, you notice the occasional strain here and there. When you're there, at the concert, living the experience, his tremendous charisma and stage presence make up for any slightly and tiny mistake he may make.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on June 09, 2017, 09:31:39 AM
Said to milllahhh after the show that I don't think Bruce is human. Sounded better Wednesday night than he did on the live stuff from the 80s/early 90s I was listening to ahead of the concert. And it's not like he's just standing at the mic stand either, dude's all over the place. Whatever Charlie Sheen meant when he said he had tiger blood, I'm pretty sure Bruce actually has it :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 09, 2017, 09:43:41 AM
Said to milllahhh after the show that I don't think Bruce is human. Sounded better Wednesday night than he did on the live stuff from the 80s/early 90s I was listening to ahead of the concert. And it's not like he's just standing at the mic stand either, dude's all over the place. Whatever Charlie Sheen meant when he said he had tiger blood, I'm pretty sure Bruce actually has it :lol

If you listen carefully to Live After Death and Maiden England, Bruce was struggling then to hit those high notes. But he´s been singing differently for the last 15-20 years, and learned to use his vocal abilities more properly since leaving Maiden in 1994.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on June 09, 2017, 09:45:30 AM
Bruce is by far the best frontman that i have ever seen. The best concert i've been in my life was the Sao Paulo show on the Chemical Wedding tour. What a performance!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 09, 2017, 11:04:52 AM
Was that the show from Scream for me Brazil?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 09, 2017, 11:14:50 AM
Said to milllahhh after the show that I don't think Bruce is human. Sounded better Wednesday night than he did on the live stuff from the 80s/early 90s I was listening to ahead of the concert. And it's not like he's just standing at the mic stand either, dude's all over the place. Whatever Charlie Sheen meant when he said he had tiger blood, I'm pretty sure Bruce actually has it :lol

If you listen carefully to Live After Death and Maiden England, Bruce was struggling then to hit those high notes. But he´s been singing differently for the last 15-20 years, and learned to use his vocal abilities more properly since leaving Maiden in 1994.
I agree but it's worth pointing out as someone mentioned here earlier, the tour schedule back then was insane so his voice was strained during LAD atleast. Eitherway I still think he sounds better nowdays which is amazing considering his age.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on June 09, 2017, 11:32:22 AM
Was that the show from Scream for me Brazil?

Yes.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 09, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
Was that the show from Scream for me Brazil?

Yes.  :tup
Awesome, one of my favourite live vocal perfomances by Bruce.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Was that the show from Scream for me Brazil?

Yes.  :tup
Awesome, one of my favourite live vocal perfomances by Bruce.  :tup

Very awesome, I really wish I had gotten a chance to see Bruce on his solo tour performing those songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on June 09, 2017, 11:53:29 AM
Not only his performance was awesome, but the band was incredible, too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 11:57:34 AM
Anyway, about The Book of Souls live - it is just me feeling like that, or do they stretch out the final riff to allow Bruce to complete his "fight" with Eddie, until he finally says the final "The book of souls" that ends the song?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 11, 2017, 10:43:09 AM
I just wanted to say that I was so impressed by how much fun they all looked like they were having, and their interactions with each other. It was like watching best friends on stage. I swear, I felt like I was watching a band that literally just started and was just full of passion and energy. Just utterly incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
I just wanted to say that I was so impressed by how much fun they all looked like they were having, and their interactions with each other. It was like watching best friends on stage. I swear, I felt like I was watching a band that literally just started and was just full of passion and energy. Just utterly incredible.

They have always been that way, but there seems to be something special about this tour. Bruce's cancer bout really had an impact on them, and yes, it does seem that they are really enjoying this.



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2017, 05:55:07 PM
Nicko on Eddie Trunk lastweek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_7jVrdzGoI&spfreload=10

Nicko is there for the entire show. It is really worth listening to the whole thing.

Great discussions on things like building setlists, even possibly one day playing Empire (and Alexander) with a one off symphony.


His Roger Daltrey story is hilarious.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 12, 2017, 01:19:02 AM
Great discussions on things like building setlists, even possibly one day playing Empire (and Alexander) with a one off symphony.

YES!

As I said earlier, the long epic songs and the reunion era stuff is where Maiden should pick from for an orchestral show, they suit more an orchestral arrangement. We don't really need to hear 2 Minutes to Midnight and The Trooper exactly as they are, but with violins copying the guitars.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 12, 2017, 02:03:50 AM
That was a great talk, sad to hear how his friendship with Clive frooze after he got the Maiden gig and that they never really reconciled until his illness.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SystematicThought on June 12, 2017, 08:19:36 PM
Dumb question, but I'm going to the concert with my dad who hates when musicians get political. Does Bruce get political? I've seen clips where he's pretty fair game and calls everyone lunatics, but does he go further than that? I just wanted to know--dumb question.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
You can check out some of the song intros on youtube. Cram has seen them a few times already. Maybe send him a PM.

Bruce hates all politicians. If your Dad voted for Trump, he shouldn't be offended. Bruce hates them all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 12, 2017, 09:00:31 PM
AFAIK the only time Bruce even mentioned Trump or politics on this tour is on the short US run when he mentioned him offhand during his Book Of Souls intro and said something about "give him a chance" (in a humorous tone). Keep in mind this was back during the primary season when nobody was taking Trump seriously. Other than that, Bruce tends to stay away from politics in general. I don't think I can recall a single politically charged Bruce rant in Maiden's history.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 13, 2017, 01:45:17 AM
In this tour he mainly has three talking slots. First he remarks about young generations of fans, then explains one of the most important songs of the album, and in the encore he has a positive message about fans' unity. Nothing political.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on June 13, 2017, 09:37:24 AM
Yeah, don't remember anything that was at all partisan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 13, 2017, 09:52:41 AM
When they played in Rio in early 2016 the long process to impeach then president Dilma Roussef had just started, and Bruce mentioned something about it - I can't remember what exactly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 13, 2017, 10:19:44 AM
The only time I remember Bruce mentioning Trump was last year while introducind The Book of souls somewhere in USA. Rambling about what could have destroyed the Mayan legacy and made them mysteriously disappear, he joked "could have been Donald Trump, could have been anything."  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on June 13, 2017, 11:17:06 AM
I'll need to look on YouTube later to be sure, but from what I remember, Bruce's speech for The Book of Souls when I saw them live last Friday was definitely in reference to Trump imo, even if he didn't explicitly name him in particular. It was, iirc, a thinly veiled reference to "leaders who could potentially blow everything up."

Could be misremembering it, but that's what I recall. I'll check later.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 13, 2017, 06:07:11 PM
Yeah, both times I saw them the intro to BoS spoke of great civilizations fucking everything up. Light years from Roger Waters or Ted Nugent, though. It's simply 30-45 seconds leading up to the Myans by citing other similar civilizations.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 15, 2017, 04:47:32 PM
I don't know the whole story, but Apparently on some German show in 87, they were told it was gonna be a pantomime lip sync performance a la "Top of the Pops" style and they did it Maiden style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuIol63oAmI

and its classic  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 15, 2017, 05:25:14 PM
I don't know the whole story, but Apparently on some German show in 87, they were told it was gonna be a pantomime lip sync performance a la "Top of the Pops" style and they did it Maiden style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuIol63oAmI

and its classic  :lol

This story is told in one of their first home videos, 12 Wasted Years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TempusVox on June 15, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
Just saw them May 16 in Glasgow, the 17th in Aberdeen, and then we drove down to Liverpool on the 20th. All three were amazing shows. Aberdeen was probably the best. The Hydro Arena is smaller, maybe 5-7,000 people. Festival seating only, so it felt much more intimate. Was on the rail, center stage. Bruce was fucking incredible.

Shinedown opened all the shows in Europe. They did a great job. Didn't really know the band at all. But the fans, especially in Scotland were really into them.

If you don't have tickets yet, now that they're in NA, get them. You don't want to miss this tour.

Catching them in Vegas, and then in Toronto in July. I can't wait!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 20, 2017, 06:17:43 PM
If I had to pick a favorite Maiden song, then it would probably be a tie between 22 Acacia ave and Hallowed be thy name.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 20, 2017, 09:59:26 PM
I don't know the whole story, but Apparently on some German show in 87, they were told it was gonna be a pantomime lip sync performance a la "Top of the Pops" style and they did it Maiden style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuIol63oAmI

and its classic  :lol
Would have been much cooler if they'd played it seriously but all played different instruments. That way only the real fans would be in on the joke.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2017, 06:18:29 AM
If I had to pick a favorite Maiden song, then it would probably be a tie between 22 Acacia ave and Hallowed be thy name.

I'm with you. Hallowed is my fave and 22 is in the back half of my Top 10.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 21, 2017, 06:24:25 AM
If I had to pick a favorite Maiden song, then it would probably be a tie between 22 Acacia ave and Hallowed be thy name.

I'm with you. Hallowed is my fave and 22 is in the back half of my Top 10.

For my top spot it's probably between Hallowed and Revelations.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2017, 07:11:43 AM
Revelations would be my pick as well, but an honorary one - it was the song that made me fall in love with Iron Maiden and turned me into a lifelong heavy metal fan.

And well, it's a kickass song anyway. Removing the emotional attachment to the song, I couldn't really chose any favorite among the other countless masterpieces they wrote.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 21, 2017, 07:24:47 AM
Guys, it's not my fault.   I couldn't stop it.  I tried, but it was no use...

Top Ten Maiden Songs (Stadler version)
1. Total Eclipse
2. Another Life
3. Back In The Village
4. Journeyman
5. Where Eagles Dare
6. If Eternity Should Fail
7. The Number Of The Beast
8. Still Life
9. Infinite Dreams
10. Murders In The Rue Morgue
11. Hallowed Be Thy Name
12. Isle of Avalon
13. Wildest Dreams
14. Tailgunner
15. Stranger In A Strange Land
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 21, 2017, 07:34:50 AM
I don't know which is my favourite Maiden track, but I remember loving Aces High when I got into them. I guess that one is still up there among the very best.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2017, 08:17:36 AM
Guys, it's not my fault.   I couldn't stop it.  I tried, but it was no use...

Top Ten Maiden Songs (Stadler version)
1. Total Eclipse
2. Another Life
3. Back In The Village
4. Journeyman
5. Where Eagles Dare
6. If Eternity Should Fail
7. The Number Of The Beast
8. Still Life
9. Infinite Dreams
10. Murders In The Rue Morgue
11. Hallowed Be Thy Name
12. Isle of Avalon
13. Wildest Dreams
14. Tailgunner
15. Stranger In A Strange Land

 :lol

That is one interesting list.

And I don't mean any disrespect by laughing. I think it's awesome that you think so highly of some of these songs. I really do. Please don't take it as "TAC is being an ass." Hopefully you won't. What made me giggle was that I was thinking that your reputation as a debater is obviously well earned.

My Top 15 is probably just as odd! :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 21, 2017, 08:23:38 AM
Better list:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36365.msg1583486#msg1583486
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2017, 08:26:03 AM
 :facepalm:

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2017, 08:30:39 AM
While I find very weird and peculiar that list to say the least, there's no song on that list that made me say "OMFG why he even likes this one? this song sucks"... half of that songs probably wouldn't even be in my top 30, but they're decent enough to be interesting anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 21, 2017, 08:33:00 AM
Are you talking about my list or Stadler's?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2017, 08:34:39 AM
Stadler's, only now I clicked on the link... well, your list is way more peculiar  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 21, 2017, 08:43:43 AM
Better list:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36365.msg1583486#msg1583486

I don't have to click this to know what it is  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 21, 2017, 08:47:53 AM
Stadler's, only now I clicked on the link... well, your list is way more peculiar  :lol

:lol  Well, for reference, here's my complete top 25 from back then:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36365.msg1592859#msg1592859  I definitely would change things up a bit if I re-did it now.  But it's still a pretty good list, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on June 21, 2017, 09:27:17 AM
I don't think that I could come up with a top 10 (or however many songs) list for this band. However, I think that I could pick my favorite song from almost each album.

1. Iron Maiden - Remember Tomorrow
2. Killers - Killers
3. Number - 22 Acacia Ave
4. POM - The Trooper
5. Powerslave - Powerslave
6. SIT - Stranger in a Strange Land
7. 7th - Only the Good Die Young
8. FOTD - Judas Be My Guide
9. BNW - Dream of Mirrors
10. DOD - Paschendale
11. AMOLAD - Brighter than a Thousand Suns
12. BOS - Empire of the Clouds

I left four albums out of the mix. I don't have an opinion on The Final Frontier. I don't hate the album, but it never really left much of an impression on me. The other three albums that I didn't mention, I could care less if I ever hear them again. That's not to bash those that enjoy them. I personally can't find anything in them that interests me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2017, 09:37:21 AM
This I could try.

Iron Maiden - Phantom of the Opera
Killers, Powerslave, No Prayer and Fear of the Dark = title tracks
666 - Hallowed
Piece of Mind - Revelations
Somewhere in Time - Wasted Years
Seventh Son - Basically everything, maybe the title track or Infinite Dreams or Moonchild
X Factor = Sign of the Cross
Virtual XI = The Clansman
Brave New World = The Wicker Man or Dream of Mirrors
Dance of Death = heavy choice between title track and Paschendale
Matter of Life and Death = The Longest Day
The Final Frontier = Isle of Avalon
Book of Souls = Empire of the Clouds
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 21, 2017, 09:46:05 AM
Phantom Of The Opera
Killers
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Revelations
Aces High
Sea Of Madness
The Clairvoyant
Mother Russia
Judas Be My Guide
Judgement Of Heaven
The Educated Fool
Blood Brothers
Paschendale
Different World
The Talisman
Empire Of The Clouds
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2017, 09:56:55 AM
While I find very weird and peculiar that list to say the least, there's no song on that list that made me say "OMFG why he even likes this one? this song sucks"... half of that songs probably wouldn't even be in my top 30, but they're decent enough to be interesting anyway.

Yes, very interesting. I wasn't laughing at the selections. I was laughing thinking about Stadler debating them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 21, 2017, 10:01:09 AM
I didn't realise I got ten more!!

5. Rime of the Ancient Mariner (mistake on my part; push everything else down one)
17. Purgatory
18.All In Your Mind
19. Sea of Madness
20. 2 Minutes To Midnight
21. Children Of The Damned
22. The Clairvoyant
23. When The Wild Wind Blows
24. The Prisoner
25. Holy Smoke

Best song (on albums not on the list):
Maiden: Strange World
Fear: Childhood's End (they all blend together though, not in a good way)
X: Sign Of The Cross
IX: The Clansmen
Brave: Out Of The Silent Planet
Life/Death: The Legacy (they all blend together though, in a good way)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 21, 2017, 10:02:34 AM
While I find very weird and peculiar that list to say the least, there's no song on that list that made me say "OMFG why he even likes this one? this song sucks"... half of that songs probably wouldn't even be in my top 30, but they're decent enough to be interesting anyway.

Yes, very interesting. I wasn't laughing at the selections. I was laughing thinking about Stadler debating them.

Let's do it!  "Back in the Village", m*****f*****!!!!

Haha.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2017, 10:32:45 AM
Oddly enough, as I said in Mosh's thread, when Powerslave first came out, Back In The Village was the only track I really liked. But while the album has aged well, the song, not so much.

Love the love for Another Life. It's a Top 5 Dianno era track for me as well.

Tailgunner? Hmm...It's much better live than the studio version, but ....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 21, 2017, 11:25:40 AM
Oddly enough, as I said in Mosh's thread, when Powerslave first came out, Back In The Village was the only track I really liked. But while the album has aged well, the song, not so much.

Love the love for Another Life. It's a Top 5 Dianno era track for me as well.

Tailgunner? Hmm...It's much better live than the studio version, but ....

I love the intro to that song.   It's tough, though, because I don't think the rest of that album is that strong (and I don't like Bruce's vocal evolution on that and the subsequent record) so it may be topaz in and among zirconia, as opposed to a diamond among diamonds.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2017, 11:30:43 AM
No Prayer and Fear were both terrible for Bruce, but we'll discuss this in Mosh's thread when we get to those albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 23, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
I must say that the quality of fan videos being shot on this tour is amazing!

Here is the Minnesota show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl9wPkq-Eas




But THIS is my favorite video so far! ;D

Watch the crown hit frenzy mode when Doctor Doctor kicks in :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu7wKxLRXXE&t=604s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 23, 2017, 04:17:25 PM
Watch the crown hit frenzy mode when Doctor Doctor kicks in :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu7wKxLRXXE&t=604s

That's one of the many things that I love about their shows. By now Doctor Doctor has become such an habit that it's already the beginning of the party itself, people going crazy over the slow beginning and humming along to it 'cause they know the show is about to start.

A minor nitpick - I understand everything runs on the clock and that when it's showtime, it's showtime, but it's a dead giveaway when they fade out abruptly the house music. It's nicer (happened to me some times) when Doctor Doctor starts after the last house song ends, like if it's another song.... but you suddenly realize it's DD and that Maiden are about to come out!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 23, 2017, 05:55:41 PM
I actually love the fade out. It comes out of nowhere and you know it's time to get pumped.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 23, 2017, 06:01:54 PM
I actually love the fade out. It comes out of nowhere and you know it's time to get pumped.

I do too. Just like the lights going out. It's like BAM, the moment is upon us.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SystematicThought on June 23, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
I've been listening to Doctor Doctor nonstop since the show. One question though, why DD? Is there a connection to the band?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 23, 2017, 06:11:23 PM
No particular reason that I know of other than Steve being a big UFO fan. Also, it's the live version of Doctor Doctor from Strangers In the Night.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 23, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
Right, and they also covered Doctor Doctor during the Blaze Era. Pete Way was a huge influence on Steve Harris, from his look to his stage mannerisms. In fact, Steve gives the forward on Pete's recently released autobiography.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 23, 2017, 06:32:31 PM
Look at the shit eating grin on Steve's face meeting Pete. Of course Pete is wasted!

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10489831_525903644176938_2107053322206747498_n.jpg?oh=cfaa8ba09695ee5ff22241b77612f19e&oe=59C7986E)

Years later, Pete is still wasted!  :lol

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/3c/2b/6d3c2bdb0325dda3bbe0211d2e1f044c.jpg)




Iron Maiden took Waysted out for the Somewhere In Time tour. After Waysted  opened the show at MSG, they went and played L'Amour. After Maiden's show, Steve went and joined them on stage.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/a4bxP1IQWxc/hqdefault.jpg)




Steve also included a pic of Pete Way (and Blackfoot's Greg T. Walker) in the World Piece Tour '83 tour program.

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/IMG_3483_zpszl5trvbe.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/IMG_3483_zpszl5trvbe.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 24, 2017, 04:43:51 AM
Aside from Steve probably just liking the song very much, it's a perfect "After this song the show start" kind of tune because it's upbeat, happy, puts you in a good mood, and the slow intro is a nice buildup of tension.

I also love the contrast with their bombastic, orchestral intros - first they announce the show is about to start with an happy song, and then lights go out and starts a eerie and majestic orchestral intro (most of the times anyway). Like, "Ok, you had your fun, you're happy to be here, now shit is about to get real, be prepared for Iron Maiden!!!!!"  :metal

Also the outro song, Always Look at the Bright Side of Life, is a great choice. A silly song that tells you literally to do that - don't be sad 'cause the show is over, be happy that you've just witnessed Iron Maiden live!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on June 24, 2017, 08:00:27 AM
Just wanted to ask at what time did the show end...Driving to San Antonio later today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Big Hath on June 24, 2017, 10:20:19 AM
I was in Dallas last night (first ever Maiden show!!) and it ended around 11 if I recall correctly
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 24, 2017, 10:47:18 AM
Just wanted to ask at what time did the show end...Driving to San Antonio later today.
Answered in the other forum, too. Ghost 730. Doctor Doctor 850. Always Look on the Bright Side of Life 1050.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 24, 2017, 10:59:01 AM
I actually love the fade out. It comes out of nowhere and you know it's time to get pumped.

I do too. Just like the lights going out. It's like BAM, the moment is upon us.
I've seen it both ways and either is fine.

Best Doctor Doctor crowd I've seen was at the Forum in LA. Everybody there knew all the words and sang proudly. Can't find video of it online, but it made me immensely happy to be down there amongst them.

My nitpick is with the intro videos. They don't add anything and disrupt the natural flow of things. Metallica has the same problem. Ecstasy of Gold is the ultimate in intro music, and then they go into a 90 second video. Last year the Ed Force 1 video at least was thematically related. The new one really made no sense.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 24, 2017, 11:12:59 AM
Also, they seemed to accidentally set their devil on fire last night. You only see the beginning of it at the very end of the song, when he collapses behind the stage, but they spent another minute or so commenting and watching back there where we couldn't see it. Nicko frantically calling attention to the fact that they're on fire (literally). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t7f_LaRdd0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on June 24, 2017, 01:26:31 PM
Just wanted to ask at what time did the show end...Driving to San Antonio later today.
Answered in the other forum, too. Ghost 730. Doctor Doctor 850. Always Look on the Bright Side of Life 1050.

Thanks  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 24, 2017, 01:29:13 PM
Oh no...did they change that awesome "Airplane crash in the Mayan jungle" intro video?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 24, 2017, 02:48:15 PM
Oh no...did they change that awesome "Airplane crash in the Mayan jungle" intro video?
Yup. Presumably because EF1 is no longer involved. Not sure what the new one was supposed to be about.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 24, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
Oh no...did they change that awesome "Airplane crash in the Mayan jungle" intro video?
Yup. Presumably because EF1 is no longer involved. Not sure what the new one was supposed to be about.

I'll check it out in Toronto next month.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 24, 2017, 06:46:52 PM
Also, they seemed to accidentally set their devil on fire last night. You only see the beginning of it at the very end of the song, when he collapses behind the stage, but they spent another minute or so commenting and watching back there where we couldn't see it. Nicko frantically calling attention to the fact that they're on fire (literally). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t7f_LaRdd0

I'm not entirely sure it's the Devil that's on fire.  Just judging by this video, it seems something else might be.  Only because that's inflatable, I'd imagine it would have popped and you can see the first flame around the 4:24 mark and then it only gets bigger with a fire extinguisher going off exactly when the song ends and the blow up devil shrinks.  Hilarious  :rollin I guess we'll know for sure if the devil is OK for the next show
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 24, 2017, 11:29:59 PM
Also, they seemed to accidentally set their devil on fire last night. You only see the beginning of it at the very end of the song, when he collapses behind the stage, but they spent another minute or so commenting and watching back there where we couldn't see it. Nicko frantically calling attention to the fact that they're on fire (literally). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t7f_LaRdd0

I'm not entirely sure it's the Devil that's on fire.  Just judging by this video, it seems something else might be.  Only because that's inflatable, I'd imagine it would have popped and you can see the first flame around the 4:24 mark and then it only gets bigger with a fire extinguisher going off exactly when the song ends and the blow up devil shrinks.  Hilarious  :rollin I guess we'll know for sure if the devil is OK for the next show
There's not enough pressure in it to pop. It'd just deflate. However it does seem the devil was spared. Looks to be the stage that's on fire. You can see it start to go awry about 4.30 in. I'm pretty sure Nicko was pointing at something burning behind the riser, though. In any case it wasn't a big deal. Just pretty funny in a "oh, shit, we're on fire!" sort of way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keyq0nhplEs
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 25, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
Do you even sax bro? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2z0ClCoYw4&feature=youtu.be)

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Big Hath on June 25, 2017, 10:48:16 PM
YES!  We saw that guy as we were leaving.  He was playing The Number of the Beast then went straight into Wasted Years without missing a beat.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 26, 2017, 09:59:44 AM
Also, they seemed to accidentally set their devil on fire last night. You only see the beginning of it at the very end of the song, when he collapses behind the stage, but they spent another minute or so commenting and watching back there where we couldn't see it. Nicko frantically calling attention to the fact that they're on fire (literally). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t7f_LaRdd0

I'm not entirely sure it's the Devil that's on fire.  Just judging by this video, it seems something else might be.  Only because that's inflatable, I'd imagine it would have popped and you can see the first flame around the 4:24 mark and then it only gets bigger with a fire extinguisher going off exactly when the song ends and the blow up devil shrinks.  Hilarious  :rollin I guess we'll know for sure if the devil is OK for the next show
There's not enough pressure in it to pop. It'd just deflate. However it does seem the devil was spared. Looks to be the stage that's on fire. You can see it start to go awry about 4.30 in. I'm pretty sure Nicko was pointing at something burning behind the riser, though. In any case it wasn't a big deal. Just pretty funny in a "oh, shit, we're on fire!" sort of way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keyq0nhplEs

Not what I heard.  I heard that Harry was trying to get a message to Nicko, and he couldn't hear it, and it fucked up his drumming, then he got mad, and they had a big fight backstage.   Some cunt recorded it.    You'd think these guys would have mellowed by now. 

;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 26, 2017, 01:57:27 PM
Do you even sax bro? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2z0ClCoYw4&feature=youtu.be)

 :metal

Awesome!!

YES!  We saw that guy as we were leaving.  He was playing The Number of the Beast then went straight into Wasted Years without missing a beat.

and awesome!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 26, 2017, 02:00:53 PM
Just watched that now and holy shit thats awesome.  This guy should just tour with them and do this outside, look at the tips he is getting. I'd throw some cash in as well, that's great.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 26, 2017, 02:26:43 PM
So I inherited some iTunes gift cards that my kids weren't using and I just ordered the mp3 albums of Paul Dianno's Battlezone's Fighting Back and Children Of Madness.

This was way too long coming. I had these back in the 80's and played the shit out of them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on June 26, 2017, 05:14:27 PM
So I inherited some iTunes gift cards that my kids weren't using and I just ordered the mp3 albums of Paul Dianno's Battlezone's Fighting Back and Children Of Madness.

This was way too long coming. I had these back in the 80's and played the shit out of them.

I remember a video for one of the songs, but that's the only thing that I heard from the project. I really can't remember much about it other than PD trying to make out with some chick on a sofa.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2017, 08:00:24 PM
So in order to stay ahead of Mosh's thread a little, I spent time today with Seventh Son, No Prayer, and Fear Of The Dark.


I just want to say that Fear Of The Dark is an awesome album. I may have some controversial comments when we get to this album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 27, 2017, 08:43:44 PM
FOTD is by far my least favorite Maiden.

Anyone keeping up with the new vinyl reissues? I've picked them all up so far and they've done a good job with them so far. Fear Of the Dark sounds so much better than the thin sounding original CD. Dance Of Death is also actually listenable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
FOTD is by far my least favorite Maiden.

Hmmm... well the discussion is a few weeks away. I'll start on my FOTD post well beforehand. Just getting my feet wet today. Lots to chew on with this album though. I feel like it gets a huge bum rap. I mean, there ARE reasons for it, but personally, I thought it was excellent.



I actually have no interest in vinyl reissues. I've bought their catalog at least twice over at this point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on June 27, 2017, 09:01:40 PM
There's a four album run starting after 7th son that I almost completely ignore. FotD is the only one of them that I ever care to listen to at all, and that's not very often. However, I'll be interested in hearing other people's thoughts on those albums when the time comes, and I will probably give them all a listen for the sake of being fresh in my mind for the discussion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on June 28, 2017, 05:14:56 AM
FOTD is by far my least favorite Maiden.

Yeah I'd go along with that.  I actually like No Prayer quite a bit.  The X Factor is listenable.   But Fear and Virtual XI aside from a couple of tracks are poor albums in my opinion - I can't listen to either without a lot of skipping.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 28, 2017, 05:32:50 AM
There's a four album run starting after 7th son that I almost completely ignore. FotD is the only one of them that I ever care to listen to at all, and that's not very often.

Pretty much the same here. I'll listen to Judas Be My Guide, FotD, The Clansman and Sign of the Cross occasionally from those albums, and nothing really from No Prayer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 28, 2017, 05:53:27 AM
I think FOTD was the last of the great albums, although it did suffer greatly of overstuffing and too much filler tracks. The real decline set in with NPFTD for me, although there were some good to great songs on there. The writing was definetely on the wall there, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on June 28, 2017, 06:13:13 AM
I just want to say that Fear Of The Dark is an awesome album. I may have some controversial comments when we get to this album.

I love that album too.  I'll save my comments for that thread, but it was my introduction to Maiden, and I recently rediscovered it over the past few years and absolutely love some of the lesser-known songs on it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 28, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
I thought No Prayer was good, but the production was awful. FOTD sounds better, but it looks like they knew Bruce was leaving and tried to squeeze everything in it - some of the songs do not belong in a Maiden album, such as The Apparition and Weekend Warrior.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2017, 08:42:32 AM
Nah, he decided to leave after the first half of the tour, he's on record (unless I remember very wrongly) stating that at the beginning of the Fear of the Dark album cycle he was still into it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 28, 2017, 08:47:48 AM
Just watched that now and holy shit thats awesome.  This guy should just tour with them and do this outside, look at the tips he is getting. I'd throw some cash in as well, that's great.  :metal
The smart move is just to learn 3 songs from every band that plays the AAC and show up at every concert. He was at the train station, so he could just ride down there, play for 45 minutes and head home. I doubt it took him long at all to figure out how to play Trooper the way he did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2017, 08:50:06 AM
Just watched that now and holy shit thats awesome.  This guy should just tour with them and do this outside, look at the tips he is getting. I'd throw some cash in as well, that's great.  :metal
The smart move is just to learn 3 songs from every band that plays the AAC and show up at every concert. He was at the train station, so he could just ride down there, play for 45 minutes and head home. I doubt it took him long at all to figure out how to play Trooper the way he did.

Yea I made the same comment on the youtube video and someone said that he likely is doing just as you suggested.  Which makes even more sense.  Beats the typical fake t-shirt seller and expensive water/pretzel sellers who are looking for an extra buck when walking out of a concert.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 28, 2017, 09:34:05 AM
Nah, he decided to leave after the first half of the tour, he's on record (unless I remember very wrongly) stating that at the beginning of the Fear of the Dark album cycle he was still into it.

That makes those songs even worse then. I guess the band missed Adrian more than they knew they would, because composition wise it all went downhill quickly when he left. Virtual XI is a horrible joke, and all songs started to sound the same by then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 28, 2017, 10:16:12 AM
There a lot of people who think the band was revitalized in terms of songwriting once Blaze rolled in. The X Factor is very ambitious, creative and impressive when it comes to melodies, song structures, lyrical content and the overall theme.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on June 28, 2017, 12:37:00 PM
I really like NPFTD, FOTD is also fun. But yeah, they are "lesser" albums. X-Factor is amazing, he only thong that hurts it is the production. Virtual XI is weaker, but i still like most of it.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on June 28, 2017, 01:25:38 PM
The X Factor is very ambitious, creative and impressive when it comes to melodies, song structures, lyrical content and the overall theme.

I don't remember much about those albums. However, something that stuck in my mind about them is that his "melody lines" always seemed to follow, and be dependent upon the guitar parts. They would be very staccato and would be counter to none of the other instruments. Much like the opening to Dream of Mirrors, or how the melody line is established by the guitar in The Red and the Black. A little bit of this is ok, but I remember it being overboard.

I do need to refresh myself on those albums, however. It's been a very long time since I've listened to them, and it's quite possible that my ability to enjoy them may have changed.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 28, 2017, 01:29:36 PM
Show was great. The only thing that sucked was it was pretty windy so the vocals suffered immensly, at times getting drowned out.

Also, The Devil didn't burn. It looked fine and dandy. Although Bruce talked about a guy in San Antonio whom was wanted for Kidnapping, he then said that guy is a 'bloody idiot' for going on Social Media and saying " Hey guess where I am."

Also amazing how people came from Australia/New Zealand, Sweden, Mexico.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2017, 01:38:55 PM
Nice  :metal

Also, it is amazing how far people will travel for IM.  While standing in line to get in, I heard many different languages.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 28, 2017, 04:57:30 PM
There a lot of people who think the band was revitalized in terms of songwriting once Blaze rolled in. The X Factor is very ambitious, creative and impressive when it comes to melodies, song structures, lyrical content and the overall theme.

All of this.

I've been spinning TXF lately, and I'm continually blown away by how great it is.   Seriously....that is one of my favorite Iron Maiden albums.  And Blaze is *really* good on it, because the material was written for him.   It's hard for me to hear Bruce doing it, because while he certainly sings it really well, he doesn't have as much conviction singing things like Sign of the Cross as Blaze did.   It just makes the abysmal VXI seem even more boneheaded by comparison. 

Can't wait til we talk about TXF in the discography thread.  That album is proof that it wasn't Blaze's fault....he brought it.   Although I admit that he probably should not have taken the job in the first place.  Simply because he was never going to be capable of singing Bruce's stuff live.   (although his version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers kicks all kinds of ass)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Can't wait til we talk about TXF in the discography thread.   

I think the whole period from No Prayer through VXI should render some very interesting discussion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2017, 05:09:31 PM
I personally think Blaze sounds terrible on TXF, but not his fault.  I think he sounds great on his own albums, I just think the album has bad production and Blaze ended up being getting the brunt of that bad production.  Musically I think TXF is fantastic.

Also, Bruce's version of Lord of the FLies is not as good as Blaze's.  Otherwise, I enjoy Bruce's versions of the few songs he performed of the Blaze material better than Blazes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 28, 2017, 05:49:05 PM
Show was great. The only thing that sucked was it was pretty windy so the vocals suffered immensly, at times getting drowned out.

Also, The Devil didn't burn. It looked fine and dandy. Although Bruce talked about a guy in San Antonio whom was wanted for Kidnapping, he then said that guy is a 'bloody idiot' for going on Social Media and saying " Hey guess where I am."

Also amazing how people came from Australia/New Zealand, Sweden, Mexico.
When I watched a video from a second angle it was pretty obvious the devil made it out safely. From my angle it looked very different. Nicko made it somewhat clear something was still burning back there, though.

There were a few foreign flags in Dallas, most likely the same folk. Before Blood Brothers they all came out and Bruce rattled off five or six countries. Hell, if I were a Swede looking to spend 2 weeks exploring America, following Maiden around would be a pretty good way to experience it. I reckon that's what they were doing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 29, 2017, 02:40:59 AM
Well, now that I think of it, if you're touring the USA and you're undecided on where to go, with so many countries to choose from, you may as well let Maiden dictate the trip for you  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2017, 07:18:14 AM
Well we know Barto has done that himself, and I've considered doing that too, but just hasn't worked out.  Maybe their final tour I make a trip out of it, hoping to catch them in England one day.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 29, 2017, 08:21:44 AM
Well we know Barto has done that himself, and I've considered doing that too, but just hasn't worked out.  Maybe their final tour I make a trip out of it, hoping to catch them in England one day.
I kind of take the opposite approach. More often than not I decide where I want to go and then work it so a good band or two will be playing. I've never actually followed a band around, outside of the Houston-Austin-Dallas thing. Nowadays I'm more likely to just head some place to catch one show and spend the rest of my time exploring.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2017, 06:40:42 PM
Disappointed no one mentioned my "Mission From 'Arry" reference. 

:)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2017, 06:46:19 PM
Disappointed no one mentioned my "Mission From 'Arry" reference. 

:)

Well, fuck my old boots.

 ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2017, 09:13:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmZSDaIqUCo

I love how almost right off the bat, Adrian mentions Michael Schenker and Gary Moore. They ARE my two favorite guitarists.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on July 01, 2017, 11:17:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmZSDaIqUCo

I love how almost right off the bat, Adrian mentions Michael Schenker and Gary Moore. They ARE my two favorite guitarists.

I like how his two sample riffs are one that he "borrowed"  :lol

It was great to hear him mention MS, though. Not enough people know about the master.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2017, 06:44:13 AM
No, unfortunately they don't. Kind of blame Schenker for that. Up until the last few years, he's kind of been hard to find, plus he's had so many mediocre album. But I love him, and my music world wouldn't be what it is without him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2017, 11:54:29 AM
This just came up in my YouTube feed.

It's Afraid To Shoot Strangers from Montreal 2012. It's an amazing performance, particularly by Bruce who is quite animated during the verse. He is very engaged with the lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9J0sB3-bE
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2017, 03:28:40 PM
The Red And The Black from San Bernadino yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tFjeR7oJo

Adrian, apparently having sound issues, walks off the stage at the 8:15 mark.
Just want to say that Jannick f'n rules this instrumental part. And I will talk a lot about this in Mosh's thread when he gets to the No Prayer tour, but the amount of personal chemistry between Dave and Jannick is on clear display in this clip.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 03, 2017, 01:21:51 AM
Not only Adrian had problems, Bruce also forgot his cue at the end. What is happening?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2017, 05:16:14 AM
The final stages of the Iron Maiden Survivior are underway and will be updated daily.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50453.0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2017, 05:21:42 AM
The Red And The Black from San Bernadino yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tFjeR7oJo

Adrian, apparently having sound issues, walks off the stage at the 8:15 mark.
Just want to say that Jannick f'n rules this instrumental part. And I will talk a lot about this in Mosh's thread when he gets to the No Prayer tour, but the amount of personal chemistry between Dave and Jannick is on clear display in this clip.

This is one thing I've always noticed since Adrian's departure and on those two tours.  The energy of the band on stage gets turned to 11, and obviously Janick is the reason why.  The way the band performs on that Donington 92 vid is incredible, so much movement, interaction and energy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 03, 2017, 07:44:49 AM
The Red And The Black from San Bernadino yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tFjeR7oJo

Adrian, apparently having sound issues, walks off the stage at the 8:15 mark.
Just want to say that Jannick f'n rules this instrumental part. And I will talk a lot about this in Mosh's thread when he gets to the No Prayer tour, but the amount of personal chemistry between Dave and Jannick is on clear display in this clip.

This is one thing I've always noticed since Adrian's departure and on those two tours.  The energy of the band on stage gets turned to 11, and obviously Janick is the reason why.  The way the band performs on that Donington 92 vid is incredible, so much movement, interaction and energy.

The one time I've seen them since the reunion (I'm going in July, though) it just seemed to me that Dave did all the heavy lifting, Adrian did all the seasoning, and Jannick stood in the center of the stage twirling the guitar around his neck like he was auditioning for Cinderella circa 1987.   I get that Gers doesn't suck - I'm familiar with his work with Gillan, Fish and Bruce solo - but I've yet to be convinced that he is crucial to Maiden. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on July 03, 2017, 09:00:11 AM
The Red And The Black from San Bernadino yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tFjeR7oJo

Adrian, apparently having sound issues, walks off the stage at the 8:15 mark.
Just want to say that Jannick f'n rules this instrumental part. And I will talk a lot about this in Mosh's thread when he gets to the No Prayer tour, but the amount of personal chemistry between Dave and Jannick is on clear display in this clip.

This is one thing I've always noticed since Adrian's departure and on those two tours.  The energy of the band on stage gets turned to 11, and obviously Janick is the reason why.  The way the band performs on that Donington 92 vid is incredible, so much movement, interaction and energy.

The one time I've seen them since the reunion (I'm going in July, though) it just seemed to me that Dave did all the heavy lifting, Adrian did all the seasoning, and Jannick stood in the center of the stage twirling the guitar around his neck like he was auditioning for Cinderella circa 1987.   I get that Gers doesn't suck - I'm familiar with his work with Gillan, Fish and Bruce solo - but I've yet to be convinced that he is crucial to Maiden.

I think that his song writing has been stellar in the reunion era.

1. Dream of Mirrors (minus the shit intro)
2. Montsegur
3. The Legacy
4. The Book of Souls

Those are just a few examples of really very good songs that he's written in the reunion era. I don't really care for his playing, or stage antics, but I think that he's been a big part of the band through the songs that he's contributed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on July 03, 2017, 10:37:39 AM
Yeah, Janick might be a bit of an oddity as far as his stage presence goes and some might not like his playing style, but goddamn is he one of the best songwriters in the band in the reunion era. Songs like The Legacy, Dance of Death and The Book of Souls are all amazing and come straight from him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2017, 02:09:20 PM
The one time I've seen them since the reunion (I'm going in July, though) it just seemed to me that Dave did all the heavy lifting, Adrian did all the seasoning, and Jannick stood in the center of the stage twirling the guitar around his neck like he was auditioning for Cinderella circa 1987.   I get that Gers doesn't suck - I'm familiar with his work with Gillan, Fish and Bruce solo - but I've yet to be convinced that he is crucial to Maiden.

Ok, so Gers may not be "crucial" to Iron Maiden. They became international superstars before he joined, and would continue to be if he left.

And being such a Blackmore guy, Stadler, I'm surprised you don't like him more. Anyway, just in that clip alone, Jannick is acting like a fool? nut? but he's playing that solo flawlessly. He's sneaky good, and can keep a high level of playing, all while being a great showman. Personally, I don't think his strength is soloing, but, I think that may be more of a stylistic thing he tries to bring to Maiden. His solos on Tattooed Millionaire were much cleaner.

Also, the thing that nobody seems to understand, is that the Reunion Era works because of the immense personal chemistry between the guys. And I think Jannick plays an important role. He's known the guys in the band since the early 80's. Dave clearly loves being with him, as does Bruce. He gets along great with Nicko, and I know Steve totally respects his loyalty.

I just think overall, Jannick gets a bad rap, and people (not singling Stadler out) need to just relax and enjoy it. I missed out on the Tony Martin era of Black Sabbath for the sole reason of WhoTF is Tony Martin. Iron Maiden has never been more vibrant, outgoing, and creative as they have in the Reunion Era. There's a multitude of reasons, and I personally think Jannick is one of them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 03, 2017, 02:25:26 PM
I know you're not singling me out, but let me be clear:  I'm fine with him there, and I'm not throwing out the baby with the bathwater.  I didn't not see them because of him; it was where I lived.   I'm basically just saying your first sentence (and I concede he's wrote some really good songs). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
I like Jannick. He came into the band at a real tough time. And I think generally he gets a bad rap. People see him flopping around and all that, but I feel he's very important to the band, especially in places that no one sees.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2017, 03:47:16 PM
I like him too.  I do wish he'd clean some of his solos up live at times, but I'm a fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 03, 2017, 03:55:42 PM
I like him a lot too. He really busted his ass live when I saw them and I really appreciate that. I like his antics, they added an extra layer of icing to the cake.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on July 03, 2017, 05:03:23 PM
I like him a lot too. He really busted his ass live when I saw them and I really appreciate that. I like his antics, they added an extra layer of icing to the cake.

His antics on stage is what I like as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on July 03, 2017, 05:38:46 PM
I like Janick. If you get into the meat of what the three guitarists are doing on stage you'd find they all play a pretty important role.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2017, 06:05:54 PM
If you get into the meat of what the three guitarists are doing on stage you'd find they all play a pretty important role.

Right, I mean not that Dave and Adrian needed any help, but now they can either do 3 part harmony, or support a 2 part with rhythm underneath.

I think it took a bit for them to get it right. I find Rock In Rio kind of muddy guitarwise. They definitely worked it out by the time they wrote Dance Of Death, as Death On The Road is much cleaner. IMO of course.



Plus Jannick turned 60 this year!!
He puts the fun into Iron Maiden and the joy he has playing in the band is infectious.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 03, 2017, 07:53:47 PM
I just want to know what that poor speaker on the side of the stage did to deserve getting kicked 30 times a show :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
So I listened to my Providence 1/25/91 recording and I'm now watching the Oslo 8/31/92 show.

Jannick was a natural replacement for Adrian. He was practically in the Maiden family. I think it's only when his style is juxtaposed with Adrian when they're both on stage that he really sticks out. He doesn't seem the least bit out of place during the 90-93 time period.

Oh, and awesome solo by Jannick on Wasting Love.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2017, 01:27:03 AM
If you get into the meat of what the three guitarists are doing on stage you'd find they all play a pretty important role.

Right, I mean not that Dave and Adrian needed any help, but now they can either do 3 part harmony, or support a 2 part with rhythm underneath.

Not being a guitar player I'm sure there's a proper explanation for that, but I was bummed that even with three guitars they couldn't do the very ending of Seventh Son of a Seventh Son the way it's on the album, but the same way it was on the original Maiden England, with the low tone rather than the high one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2017, 07:37:09 PM
IMO, they have never really utilised the 3 guitars as much as they should.  As Tim said though, they have improved over the years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 04, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
Previewing some albums for Mosh's thread. Had many run throughs of 7th Son, No Prayer, and Fear. Started some Blaze tonight, but for some reason jumped TXF and went right to VXI. Watching the Hamilton show on youtube.

If there was ever a Blaze era song that I would love for them to do with Bruce, it's The Educated Fool. I've always said that Bruce would absolutely slay that chorus. And Lightning Strikes Twice, other than the chorus, is an awesome tune. So much better live than on the ass produced studio version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 05, 2017, 09:06:27 AM
Agreed about The Educated Fool, that would have been great live with Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 05, 2017, 11:43:37 AM
Got Book of Souls blasting now, prepping for my Maiden show!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 05, 2017, 03:51:47 PM
Have an awesome time, Brian! I've gotta wait two more weeks!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on July 05, 2017, 04:26:11 PM
Previewing some albums for Mosh's thread. Had many run throughs of 7th Son, No Prayer, and Fear. Started some Blaze tonight, but for some reason jumped TXF and went right to VXI. Watching the Hamilton show on youtube.

If there was ever a Blaze era song that I would love for them to do with Bruce, it's The Educated Fool. I've always said that Bruce would absolutely slay that chorus. And Lightning Strikes Twice, other than the chorus, is an awesome tune. So much better live than on the ass produced studio version.

Good call on The Educated Fool. Blaze really underperformed on that one imo. My pick would be Blood On the Worlds Hands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 05, 2017, 05:49:38 PM
Had a quick run through The X Factor today.


Man, that album will be a three week discussion!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 05, 2017, 06:06:05 PM
I've tried getting into the X factor many times. I love Di anno as much as I love dickenson, but can't get into blaze. When I listen to the debut and Killers, I am like "hell yeah, this kicks ass  :metal". When I listen X factor, I am like "man, I could be listening to the other albums right now".

On its own, its solid. But as an Iron maiden album, Its just not for me. I know people really like it and hopefully one day, I will too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 05, 2017, 07:10:25 PM
It's probably the most divisive album in their discography. The opinions range from masterpiece to garbage. Can't wait for the discussion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 05, 2017, 08:25:09 PM
@ Mosh, I was reading your TXF song commentaries on Maidenfans. Nice reviews. I'm with you on 2AM. Such a great song and one that I instantly loved.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on July 05, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
2AM is one of the more overlooked Blaze songs. I think Blaze really nails it too.

I'm also looking forward to discussing TXF and the 90s in general. The less discussed periods are always more interesting than stuff like NOTB and such IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 06, 2017, 05:15:54 AM
It would be hard to say if TXF is still my fav Maiden album, but it probably would be.  I love it, just so moody, perfect atmosphere and just a dark and unique album.  So underrated and unfairly written off.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 06, 2017, 06:24:16 AM
It's probably the most divisive album in their discography.
It probably is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 06, 2017, 08:59:22 AM
SPOILERS AHEAD...
















I had a good time at Maiden last night, but unfortunately, Bruce had an off night. he was wearing a sweatshirt for most of the set except when he changed outfits, and his voice literally went out a couple of times. If it was a cold, I hope he feels better soon. That sucks so bad when you have to sing around a cold.

I gotta say though, I left feeling a little underwhelmed. This was my fifth time seeing Iron Maiden, and by far my least favorite. It was a combination of what appeared to me to be a scaled back show, from the staging to the length, to the overall energy. The latter was probably due to the setlist.

I am very much in favor of a band like Maiden doing a ton off their latest release. And I am glad they did. But in retrospect, I think the set could have been revamped to pick up the energy more. TBoS is very...mid-tempo. I would have altered the set by opening how they did (If Eternity Should Fail and Speed of Light), but then I would have spent the rest of the main set on high energy classics (moving the Number of the Beast, Blood Brothers and Wasted Years encore to the main set too), and then put The Book of Souls title track in the middle as a nice climax, followed by more classics to end the set. Then, as an encore, I would have done one tune -- Empire of the Clouds.

This way, The Book of Souls album gets really good representation and a dramatic closer, but there would have been a lot more high energy stuff throughout the set.

Anyway, I'm honestly nitpicking. I had a good time, I just felt like it wasn't up to what I was used to with Maiden. Hopefully next time!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 06, 2017, 09:15:51 AM
I felt that way the last time I saw Iced Earth on the Plagues tour.  It just felt uninspired - I knew that they had been on the road for about 3 years straight, and Jon wasn't his usual self.  Now we know that he had very serious spinal issues that he was dealing with, which helps explain it.  I think some of that feeling also comes from seeing bands multiple times, so the feeling of excitement wears off and it's "just another show."  That's why I've focused on seeing bands that I've never seen before, since it helps me keep the excitement factor up.

Glad you had fun - I haven't seen them since 2008, so I'm hankering for more Maiden live experiences, but then I wonder if I'll feel let down, since that 2008 tour meant so much to me.   I do agree about changing up the setlist more so they have some faster paced older songs mixed in. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 06, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
Sorry to hear they had an off night Samsara. I thought Bruce was in great form in NJ last month, so I'm hoping it's just a cold and not general rundown from being on the road since I'm seeing them again in Brooklyn in a few weeks :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 06, 2017, 09:20:27 AM
My "worst" Maiden concert has to be my first one - the only one I saw with Blaze, for obvious reasons, nothing against the guy but the concerts with Bruce can't be matched.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 06, 2017, 09:21:53 AM
Here's a few vids (sorry for the shaking, I enjoy my concerts!):

The Trooper - https://youtu.be/2YokwcuXBPs

Blood Brothers - https://youtu.be/agueoQ28zq8

Wasted Years - https://youtu.be/l2Qkqzn2sxM

The 2008 tour was the pinnacle for me too. It was such a great tour. That was my second time seeing them (first was 2000 at Madison Square Garden in NY with Queensryche and Halford). And just to stress, the show wasn't "bad" at all. but Maiden has set the bar so high, it's tough to get that every time you see them. I'll be at the next tour for sure!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 06, 2017, 09:23:07 AM
The only time I didn't love seeing Maiden live was the AMOLAD tour. We were one of the early shows so nobody knew the album, and playing the whole thing front to back absolutely sapped the life out of the arena.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 06, 2017, 09:25:02 AM
The only time I didn't love seeing Maiden live was the AMOLAD tour. We were one of the early shows so nobody knew the album, and playing the whole thing front to back absolutely sapped the life out of the arena.

That was the tour they were on Ozzfest, right? I would have loved to have seen that performance. I love that record. It's one of my favorites.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 06, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
Ozzfest was The Early Days tour and they played an abbreviated setlist. AMoLaD was a very short US tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2017, 09:53:34 AM
The only time I didn't love seeing Maiden live was the AMOLAD tour. We were one of the early shows so nobody knew the album, and playing the whole thing front to back absolutely sapped the life out of the arena.

I loved that show, but it was clear I was one of the few.  Had people yelling at me to sit down in the nose bleed seats.  I was livid.  Show was awesome, but the crowd really was a bummer for that show.


Sorry to hear they had an off night Samsara. I thought Bruce was in great form in NJ last month, so I'm hoping it's just a cold and not general rundown from being on the road since I'm seeing them again in Brooklyn in a few weeks :lol

And all the above here too
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 06, 2017, 10:04:55 AM
Ozzfest was The Early Days tour and they played an abbreviated setlist. AMoLaD was a very short US tour.

Thank you. Yes. I wanted to see both, and I didn't. I don't think they played near me for AMoLaD, and I was pretty annoyed by it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 06, 2017, 10:28:09 AM
The only time I didn't love seeing Maiden live was the AMOLAD tour. We were one of the early shows so nobody knew the album, and playing the whole thing front to back absolutely sapped the life out of the arena.

That was the tour they were on Ozzfest, right? I would have loved to have seen that performance. I love that record. It's one of my favorites.

It may have been around the same time when they were on Ozzfest, but this was a Maiden headlining arena tour. I don't dislike the album, and the band was in good form, but not hearing any of the classics/fan favorites until the back of the set was a bit of a crowd killer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2017, 11:12:41 AM
The only time I didn't love seeing Maiden live was the AMOLAD tour. We were one of the early shows so nobody knew the album, and playing the whole thing front to back absolutely sapped the life out of the arena.

That was the tour they were on Ozzfest, right? I would have loved to have seen that performance. I love that record. It's one of my favorites.

It may have been around the same time when they were on Ozzfest, but this was a Maiden headlining arena tour. I don't dislike the album, and the band was in good form, but not hearing any of the classics/fan favorites until the back of the set was a bit of a crowd killer.

There was an actual sigh from the crowd when Bruce said, after like 4 songs or so that they would be playing the entire album. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 06, 2017, 11:22:14 AM
The only time I didn't love seeing Maiden live was the AMOLAD tour. We were one of the early shows so nobody knew the album, and playing the whole thing front to back absolutely sapped the life out of the arena.

That was the tour they were on Ozzfest, right? I would have loved to have seen that performance. I love that record. It's one of my favorites.

It may have been around the same time when they were on Ozzfest, but this was a Maiden headlining arena tour. I don't dislike the album, and the band was in good form, but not hearing any of the classics/fan favorites until the back of the set was a bit of a crowd killer.

There was an actual sigh from the crowd when Bruce said, after like 4 songs or so that they would be playing the entire album.

Wow. I mean, I get it. That delicate balance of new material and old. I just happen to really like AMoLaD. But I can see how it would bother folks not as enamored with it as I am.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 06, 2017, 11:24:53 AM
The irony of that tour was that, in a certain sense, the band was "lazy" about it - they couldn't decide on which songs to discard for the set, 'cause they were all worthy in their opinion, and so they figured they might as well play the entire record.

When other bands can't be bothered to put together a setlist, they play a safe greatest hits show, Iron Maiden play an entire new album  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 06, 2017, 11:43:46 AM
The only time I didn't love seeing Maiden live was the AMOLAD tour. We were one of the early shows so nobody knew the album, and playing the whole thing front to back absolutely sapped the life out of the arena.

That was the tour they were on Ozzfest, right? I would have loved to have seen that performance. I love that record. It's one of my favorites.

It may have been around the same time when they were on Ozzfest, but this was a Maiden headlining arena tour. I don't dislike the album, and the band was in good form, but not hearing any of the classics/fan favorites until the back of the set was a bit of a crowd killer.

There was an actual sigh from the crowd when Bruce said, after like 4 songs or so that they would be playing the entire album.
This is why we can't have nice things. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 06, 2017, 12:36:51 PM
The irony of that tour was that, in a certain sense, the band was "lazy" about it - they couldn't decide on which songs to discard for the set, 'cause they were all worthy in their opinion, and so they figured they might as well play the entire record.

When other bands can't be bothered to put together a setlist, they play a safe greatest hits show, Iron Maiden play an entire new album  :lol

 :rollin

In my best Bruce Dickinson accent: "Ah, fuck those wankers, we're doin' the whole bloody thing!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2017, 04:55:04 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/bravewords-and-iron-maiden-beer-announce-trooper-bar-alliance-date-for-Toronto

They list two loacations:
1. The Tilted Kilt And Eatery
2. Jingle.Boy's!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on July 06, 2017, 06:48:25 PM
I never saw a bad Maiden show but my least favorite was probably TFF 2010. Great setlist and stage but nobody in the audience knew the songs so the energy level was very low.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on July 06, 2017, 07:10:21 PM
I never saw a bad Maiden show but my least favorite was probably TFF 2010. Great setlist and stage but nobody in the audience knew the songs so the energy level was very low.

The last time that I seen them was with Dream Theater opening, and this was my experience as well. Unfortunately, they don't come to Ohio anymore, so I haven't had the chance to see them again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2017, 07:24:26 PM
So bummed that tour didn't come here, but at least we got a kick ass DT headlining show out of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 08, 2017, 12:06:12 PM
On the couch for the day watching Maiden videos on youtube...look what just popped up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlKzbUAZj-g

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 09, 2017, 06:36:07 AM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 10, 2017, 08:06:24 AM
I put a playlist together of the current setlist... man, are the Book of Souls songs kicking my ASS.    That one-two of "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Speed of Light"... I'm going to need a little power nap after that one!   Even "The Red and the Black" is working at this point (though you can have that little bass solo at the bookend; I expected better of Harry).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2017, 08:15:05 AM
I'd be fine if they skipped Death Or Glory.


Stadler, you coming to Mass or you going to Brooklyn?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 10, 2017, 08:19:40 AM
"Cliiimb like a monkeeey" :evilmonkey:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 10, 2017, 08:40:18 AM
I'd be fine if they skipped Death Or Glory.


Stadler, you coming to Mass or you going to Brooklyn?

I will be in BROOKLYN, July 22.


I have such a run, I can't remember when I had this much concert to look forward to:
Maiden, Brooklyn, July 22
Morse, Ridgefield, August Whatever (with Meet and Greet)
Portnoy, NYC, September Something   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2017, 08:55:28 AM
I just said the same thing to my wife a couple of weeks ago. Got Maiden, possibly Alice in August (though not likely because we are going to the Sox that day), UFO on Sept, DT later in the fall, and Schenker at Berklee in March. Hoping to get my picture taken with the Lynott statue next month. That's all of my favorites in on year. Something bad is going to happen next year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 10, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
Being later to the party with Maiden, but now a complete hardcore, I sat down last night and tried to pick out my favorite records. I came up with this list to start things off:

Number of the Beast
A Matter of Life and Death
Brave New World
Piece of Mind
Powerslave
Somewhere in Time

Not sure yet where everything else ranks, but I dig lists, so I figured I'd try and do my initial (top-Maiden) list and see where I got...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2017, 09:20:06 AM
I'd be fine if they skipped Death Or Glory.


Stadler, you coming to Mass or you going to Brooklyn?

I will be in BROOKLYN, July 22.


I have such a run, I can't remember when I had this much concert to look forward to:
Maiden, Brooklyn, July 22
Morse, Ridgefield, August Whatever (with Meet and Greet)
Portnoy, NYC, September Something

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 10, 2017, 10:51:48 AM
I'd be fine if they skipped Death Or Glory.


Stadler, you coming to Mass or you going to Brooklyn?

I will be in BROOKLYN, July 22.


I have such a run, I can't remember when I had this much concert to look forward to:
Maiden, Brooklyn, July 22
Morse, Ridgefield, August Whatever (with Meet and Greet)
Portnoy, NYC, September Something

 :metal :metal

Stadler/Cram, you guys want to grab beers before the show on the 22nd?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 10, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
I'd be fine if they skipped Death Or Glory.


Stadler, you coming to Mass or you going to Brooklyn?

I will be in BROOKLYN, July 22.


I have such a run, I can't remember when I had this much concert to look forward to:
Maiden, Brooklyn, July 22
Morse, Ridgefield, August Whatever (with Meet and Greet)
Portnoy, NYC, September Something

 :metal :metal

Stadler/Cram, you guys want to grab beers before the show on the 22nd?

I'm in.  I may be with a buddy, but he's cool and will talk music with anyone at any time (and has seen Maiden I think four times already).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2017, 11:34:56 AM
I'd be fine if they skipped Death Or Glory.


Stadler, you coming to Mass or you going to Brooklyn?

I will be in BROOKLYN, July 22.


I have such a run, I can't remember when I had this much concert to look forward to:
Maiden, Brooklyn, July 22
Morse, Ridgefield, August Whatever (with Meet and Greet)
Portnoy, NYC, September Something

 :metal :metal

Stadler/Cram, you guys want to grab beers before the show on the 22nd?

I'm in.  I may be with a buddy, but he's cool and will talk music with anyone at any time (and has seen Maiden I think four times already).

Yup, I'll already be in town from the night before.  My friend is also meeting up for the concert, he came to the DT meet up at RCMH so he may be familiar although i expect him to do what he did for that show as well and show up at the end of the drinking time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Pappy on July 16, 2017, 08:37:33 AM
I had tickets for the St. Louis gig this past week. Day before I got myself a herniated disc in my back and couldn't get out of bed. I've seen Ghost 3 times this past tour so I'm at piece with that but just crushed about missing Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on July 17, 2017, 12:10:13 PM
Little late since I was on vacation last week but saw Maiden on the 9th in Lincoln, Nebraska and of course they slayed. What struck me was how old everyone is starting to look but they didn't seem to slow things down at all. I didn't get Ghost. After the absurdity of the costumes wore off after the first song I thought they were pretty awful. There a ton other bands who would have done a better job opening for Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 17, 2017, 12:25:04 PM
Little late since I was on vacation last week but saw Maiden on the 9th in Lincoln, Nebraska and of course they slayed. What struck me was how old everyone is starting to look but they didn't seem to slow things down at all. I didn't get Ghost. After the absurdity of the costumes wore off after the first song I thought they were pretty awful. There a ton other bands who would have done a better job opening for Maiden.

It's funny. I fully agree with your commentary on Ghost. That said, they had LEGIONS of fans at my gig. I ended up sitting next to two guys a little older than me (they looked early 50s), and they loved Ghost and thought they were great (they had never heard of them before). I simply don't get it.

The guys in Maiden are starting to look old because well, they are.  :lol I felt my show was a little slower and less intense than in years past, and Bruce didn't have a great night. But I still had a blast. Here's hoping for a new record and tour in the next few years.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 17, 2017, 12:29:35 PM
I think they're holding up pretty well. Janick I'd say is the one has aged more visibly than the others, of course he's still a madman on stage, but just looking at him he shows all the years he have and probably a couple more.

Bruce is still in good shape, just his hair in the later years took a definitive turn for the gray.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
I had tickets for the St. Louis gig this past week. Day before I got myself a herniated disc in my back and couldn't get out of bed. I've seen Ghost 3 times this past tour so I'm at piece with that but just crushed about missing Maiden.

That's so unfortunate, hope for a speedy recovery.

Little late since I was on vacation last week but saw Maiden on the 9th in Lincoln, Nebraska and of course they slayed. What struck me was how old everyone is starting to look but they didn't seem to slow things down at all. I didn't get Ghost. After the absurdity of the costumes wore off after the first song I thought they were pretty awful. There a ton other bands who would have done a better job opening for Maiden.

I don't care at all for Ghost's gimmick, but I do enjoy them musically.  If I hadn't known they were essentially a hired gun backing band, I would have no idea considering how solid their performance was.

Got to be honest, there aren't that many bands out there that are as good as Ghost is for being an IM opener.  Ghost is a pretty popular band these days and some of us remember when Lauren Harris was the opener.  Also, there aren't too many touring metal acts these days that can say they are both Grammy winners touring together.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 17, 2017, 12:43:35 PM
Saw them in Toronto last Saturday, and it was awesome, although I agree that Bruce's voice is starting to sound a bit tired. I met Rob Caggiano between Ghost and Maiden!!!

Here's my review of the show in Portuguese. I'm not expecting you to read it but I hope you enjoy the photos:

https://whiplash.net/materias/shows/266306-ironmaiden.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 12:47:58 PM
Nice pics!   :metal But yea, can't read it  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2017, 12:50:03 PM
Awesome pics, Rodrigo! Especially the last one with Bruce alone in front of the curtain. That's is literally one of the best pics I've ever seen.


As far as Ghost goes, I may or may not see them on Wednesday. I've never heard a note of them before this tour, but the videos of their performances are amazing. Not sure what they had in place before, but these particular performers, especially the bass player, are outstanding. Other than Square Hammer and Cirice, I'm not rally into any of the other songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 17, 2017, 12:51:02 PM

Got to be honest, there aren't that many bands out there that are as good as Ghost is for being an IM opener.  Ghost is a pretty popular band these days and some of us remember when Lauren Harris was the opener.  Also, there aren't too many touring metal acts these days that can say they are both Grammy winners touring together.
Damn, just reading her named made me shudder. I got to skip Ravenage, but had to sit through her set twice. The only other good opener they've had in ages was Anthrax, and that was only for Mexico and SA. Sadly, I only go to see about the last third of Anthrax.

In any case I enjoyed Ghost a great deal. The hired guns were very good and PE is a funny guy. He implored us all to go home and celebrate the female orgasm after the show.  :lol
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Post by: Samsara on July 17, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
I remember Lauren Harris opening. But I also remember Coheed and Cambria, which was a great opener...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 12:59:20 PM
And there was DT and Alice Cooper who were great openers too.  My point was more so that the amount of bands that can fill that spot aren't limitless. One can not enjoy their music, fair enough, but I really don't think that slot can just be had by anyone and they would be anywhere close to as good as Ghost is, even if you dislike their music. 
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Post by: TAC on July 17, 2017, 01:01:48 PM
I discovered Dream Theater opening for Iron Maiden.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 01:05:14 PM
I discovered Dream Theater opening for Iron Maiden.

I wonder how many more discovered them in the more recent tour together  :lol
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Post by: Mosh on July 17, 2017, 01:53:48 PM
2010? That's how I discovered DT.
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Post by: TAC on July 17, 2017, 01:55:11 PM
2010? That's how I discovered DT.

Is it really?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 17, 2017, 02:05:12 PM
Was Lauren Harris really that bad?
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Post by: Mosh on July 17, 2017, 02:08:53 PM
Yep! I had heard of them before and maybe heard Wither on music choice but didn't really know anything about them. Those bass harmonics at the beginning of As I Am really got me pumped and I dug the whole song. I was kind of meh on the rest of their set but I was so impressed with the one song and Portnoy's stage presence (he also did the intro for Where Eagles Dare which was cool) that I picked up Awake just a few weeks later.

It was also probably the only time I've gone to a concert where there was a significant amount of people wearing shirts for the opening band.
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Post by: TAC on July 17, 2017, 02:11:35 PM
Was Lauren Harris really that bad?

Well, bad in a sense that consider the list of bands that have opened for Iron Maiden over the years. There so could have been someone better in that spot.

Yep! I had heard of them before and maybe heard Wither on music choice but didn't really know anything about them. Those bass harmonics at the beginning of As I Am really got me pumped and I dug the whole song. I was kind of meh on the rest of their set but I was so impressed with the one song and Portnoy's stage presence (he also did the intro for Where Eagles Dare which was cool) that I picked up Awake just a few weeks later.

It was also probably the only time I've gone to a concert where there was a significant amount of people wearing shirts for the opening band.

Even though their set for that tour was nowhere near any of my top DT songs, that set was remarkably constructed. It gained speed and momentum as the set went on. MP did a great job with that setlist.

I was so pissed that tour did not come up here.
We did get a great DT headlining show instead though.
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Post by: El Barto on July 17, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Was Lauren Harris really that bad?
Yes. Forty-five minutes of bad music that didn't fit Maiden's style. And the girl looks enough like her old man that it's awkward even trying to enjoy the leather pants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7kEgLwHuA
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Post by: TAC on July 17, 2017, 02:19:20 PM
That is so bad.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
Was Lauren Harris really that bad?
Yes. Forty-five minutes of bad music that didn't fit Maiden's style. And the girl looks enough like her old man that it's awkward even trying to enjoy the leather pants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7kEgLwHuA

Honestly, her looks were the only thing worth watching even if she does look like her father  :lol  I'd have to dig through my pics, but pretty sure I got a couple of her from up front.  The music was just very uninteresting and really had no business opening for Iron Maiden. 
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Post by: TAC on July 17, 2017, 02:34:13 PM
  And the girl looks enough like her old man that it's awkward even trying to enjoy the leather pants.
 

Honestly, her looks were the only thing worth watching even if she does look like her father   
Having gazed lovingly at her father for 35 years, it would be like kissing my niece. I can't even go there.
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Post by: Stadler on July 17, 2017, 02:37:35 PM
Well, I think she's pretty hot.   The music though... it just seems odd.  The guys are putting in all the moves but it seems so rote, and her voice seems really thin for a "rockin' band in a stadium" opening for Maiden. 

I may check out the album, but that didn't cut it in the same way that, say, Fastway or Dio or Motorhead did (the bands I saw open for Maiden so far).

EDIT:  On the same page as Lauren was the Iron Maidens doing The Trooper. WOW, way better than I remember.  That was good.   She even did the vocals justice!
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 17, 2017, 02:44:50 PM
cram, Stadler this is the place I was considering going before Maiden on Saturday.

https://www.threesbrewing.com/at-threes/

A brewery that also has guest taps, wines, and cocktails. The butcher that run the food program in their kitchen is pretty damn good too. It's walking distance to Barclays, but not so close that it gets overly swamped ahead of events in my previous experiences.
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Post by: TAC on July 17, 2017, 02:48:51 PM
Trying to remember who I saw open for Maiden..
Fastway/Coney Hatch..1983
Accept..1985
Waysted...1987
Ace Frehley's Comet...1988
Anthrax...1991
Dream Theater..1992
Dio..1998
Clutch..1999
Queensryche/Halford...2000
Lauren Harris...2008
Alice Cooper...2012
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Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 02:55:36 PM
cram, Stadler this is the place I was considering going before Maiden on Saturday.

https://www.threesbrewing.com/at-threes/

A brewery that also has guest taps, wines, and cocktails. The butcher that run the food program in their kitchen is pretty damn good too. It's walking distance to Barclays, but not so close that it gets overly swamped ahead of events in my previous experiences.

Looks fine to me, I think it's very unlikely I have more than a beer for the entire day.  I'll probably just be drinking my typical vodka clubs, my body doesn't take beer well anymore it seems. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on July 17, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
Was Lauren Harris really that bad?
Yes. Forty-five minutes of bad music that didn't fit Maiden's style. And the girl looks enough like her old man that it's awkward even trying to enjoy the leather pants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH7kEgLwHuA

Not sure about her setlist on the entire tour, but when I seen her open up in Cleveland she opened her set with Natural Thing from UFO. And I'm not sure, but I think that the guy that replaced KK Downing in Judas Priest was her guitarist on the tour as well.

After the novelty of hearing her play a UFO song, and her being Steve's daughter wore off it was pretty bad.
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Post by: El Barto on July 17, 2017, 03:56:47 PM
Trying to remember who I saw open for Maiden..
Fastway/Coney Hatch..1983
Accept..1985
Waysted...1987
Ace Frehley's Comet...1988
Anthrax...1991
Dream Theater..1992
Dio..1998
Clutch..1999
Queensryche/Halford...2000
Lauren Harris...2008
Alice Cooper...2012
Tough thing to do. Bands I actually saw (as opposed to waiting out in the parking lot) would be :
WASP
Vinnie Vincent Invasion
Dio
Motörhead
Megadeth
Monster Magnet
Halford
Queensryche
Lauren Harris
Dream Theater
Anthrax
Ghost

Pretty sure Motörhead and Dio popped up on multiple tours, and I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.
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Post by: PowerSlave on July 17, 2017, 03:58:57 PM
Motorhead and Dio were the openers when I  seen the early days tour.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 17, 2017, 04:16:39 PM
Opening bands I saw:
Thunder
Sepultura & Halford
Lauren Harris
Raven Age & Anthrax
Ghost
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Post by: Stadler on July 17, 2017, 04:24:33 PM
cram, Stadler this is the place I was considering going before Maiden on Saturday.

https://www.threesbrewing.com/at-threes/

A brewery that also has guest taps, wines, and cocktails. The butcher that run the food program in their kitchen is pretty damn good too. It's walking distance to Barclays, but not so close that it gets overly swamped ahead of events in my previous experiences.

Looks fine to me, I think it's very unlikely I have more than a beer for the entire day.  I'll probably just be drinking my typical vodka clubs, my body doesn't take beer well anymore it seems.

Sounds good to me.   We're coming down that morning (my friend wants to look up a relative in Brooklyn, about eight blocks from the arena) so we're open.
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Post by: TempusVox on July 18, 2017, 10:16:49 PM
We're (4 of us) going to the Trooper pre-party Friday, but thinking of hitting Duffs before Saturdays show...and maybe Rocka-Rolla after.

So this tour I've caught the shows in:

Glasgow
Aberdeen
Birmingham

Chicago
Houston
Vegas
YYZ
and I'll hit both shows in Brooklyn.

Mix in Houston and Vegas was not very good, and I'm Ghost-ed out; but Maiden brings it every night. Not too shabby for some 60-something's!  \m/

First time I saw them live they opened for the Scorpions

Bands I've seen open for them

WASP
Anthrax
Dream Theater
Warrant
Dio
Slayer
Trivium
Shinedown
Ghost

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Post by: Grappler on July 19, 2017, 07:23:55 AM
Maiden always have the most bad-ass artwork for event t-shirts.  I have the Chicago one with Eddie as a gangster from 2008, but lost weight 4 years ago and it's way too big for me now.  I absolutely love this version of Paul Revere for the Boston show:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCjKNMXUAMK_jS.jpg:large)
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Post by: TAC on July 19, 2017, 07:39:35 AM
Grapp, is that from the current tour, like as in TONIGHT??

I've never seen that one before.
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Post by: Grappler on July 19, 2017, 07:55:52 AM
I believe so - Maiden posted it on their twitter/Facebook page the other day.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2017, 07:57:25 AM
Looks like a packed house for you guys tonight.  I got a targetted ad to buy tickets and clicked out of curiosity, only lawn seats left.  That's awesome.  There's still plenty of tickets for Saturday's show.

Tempus, you should meet up with us Saturday!
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2017, 07:58:46 AM
I bought one from the Toronto show, with Eddie playing hockey with a heart instead of a puck. So cool!!!
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Post by: TAC on July 19, 2017, 08:01:31 AM
Looks like a packed house for you guys tonight.  I got a targetted ad to buy tickets and clicked out of curiosity, only lawn seats left.   

Lawn seats totally suck. Seriously, it's like not even being there. The third row on sections are bleachers constructed on what was at one time considered the lawn. Those suck.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2017, 08:33:03 AM
Yea the lawn typically does suck, but if you wanted to go, it's better to be on the lawn than not there at all.

I know by me, the PNC Bank Arts Center, it's fairly easy to sneak into the seated sections from the lawn.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2017, 08:53:49 AM
Grapp, is that from the current tour, like as in TONIGHT??

I've never seen that one before.
Look at the Eddie logo on the fliers that are on the fence.  It has to be from this tour.
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Post by: TAC on July 19, 2017, 08:58:22 AM
Oh yeah!  :facepalm: D'uh.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 19, 2017, 09:29:20 AM
Enjoy Maiden tonight New Englanders! Up the IRONS!
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 19, 2017, 10:08:43 AM
We're (4 of us) going to the Trooper pre-party Friday, but thinking of hitting Duffs before Saturdays show...and maybe Rocka-Rolla after.

So this tour I've caught the shows in:

Glasgow
Aberdeen
Birmingham

Chicago
Houston
Vegas
YYZ
and I'll hit both shows in Brooklyn.

Mix in Houston and Vegas was not very good, and I'm Ghost-ed out; but Maiden brings it every night. Not too shabby for some 60-something's!  \m/

First time I saw them live they opened for the Scorpions

Bands I've seen open for them

WASP
Anthrax
Dream Theater
Warrant
Dio
Slayer
Trivium
Shinedown
Ghost



A few of us were maybe hitting Threes Brewing before the show Saturday if you want to grab a beer :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
Maiden always have the most bad-ass artwork for event t-shirts.  I have the Chicago one with Eddie as a gangster from 2008, but lost weight 4 years ago and it's way too big for me now.  I absolutely love this version of Paul Revere for the Boston show:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCjKNMXUAMK_jS.jpg:large)

Eddie has the Superbowl rings on!! :metal
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Post by: El Barto on July 19, 2017, 11:09:57 AM
That's fucking awesome.

The Texas shirt was pretty good, but I didn't bother. I generally buy shirts that nobody else will have, and the Mexico City shirt stands out more than the Texas shirt, at least in the places I'm likely to wear it. In any case, I love that they produce unique event shirts. No other bands do this.
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 19, 2017, 11:13:49 AM
There was definitely a custom Metallica shirt at the Boston gig.
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Post by: Grappler on July 19, 2017, 11:14:44 AM
Haha!  I didn't blow up the picture to full size, so I didn't see the rings.  I absolutely love it. 
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Post by: El Barto on July 19, 2017, 11:29:24 AM
There was definitely a custom Metallica shirt at the Boston gig.
If so then that's a new thing. Some of the stands had Mexico City shirts, but hey were cheap, singled sided jobs. Not like their regular merchandise. In Germany they didn't even have European tour shirts. Only generic shirts with the countries they played in.


Edit: Looks like they are doing individual cities now. The same as the DF shirt, but they change the colors on the graphic and the middle picture, and now they have a back side to them. They still seem kind of cheap, though. Maiden sells high quality merchandise.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0toAAOSwwvZZRFYE/s-l300.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
Haha!  I didn't blow up the picture to full size, so I didn't see the rings.  I absolutely love it.

Yea I just went back and took a closer look.  That's awesome.  :metal
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 19, 2017, 11:52:46 AM
I don't even know if New Mexico had a shirt. Or what it was.
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Post by: goo-goo on July 19, 2017, 11:56:29 AM
Maiden had some special edition Texas themed shirts as well
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 19, 2017, 11:56:37 AM
There was definitely a custom Metallica shirt at the Boston gig.
If so then that's a new thing. Some of the stands had Mexico City shirts, but hey were cheap, singled sided jobs. Not like their regular merchandise. In Germany they didn't even have European tour shirts. Only generic shirts with the countries they played in.


Edit: Looks like they are doing individual cities now. The same as the DF shirt, but they change the colors on the graphic and the middle picture, and now they have a back side to them. They still seem kind of cheap, though. Maiden sells high quality merchandise.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0toAAOSwwvZZRFYE/s-l300.jpg)

Yeah, I didn't get a sense of the quality, but the Boston show had a skeleton dressed up in the Pats logo soldier's gear about to snap the ball. Pretty cool design... if I didn't hate the Patriots :lol I'll have to keep an eye out for what they have in Brooklyn.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2017, 12:07:14 PM
I would LOVE to have one of those Boston shirts.  Anyone going that is willing to pick on up for me as a favor?  PM me.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2017, 12:09:51 PM
My opening acts here and there, counting also main supporting bands at a festival:

Helloween
Megadeth
Demons & Wizards
Edguy
Gamma Ray
Slayer
Trivium
Lauren Harris
Avenged Sevenfold
The Raven Age

And some more I guess.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 19, 2017, 03:48:53 PM
Maiden had some special edition Texas themed shirts as well
Maiden has a different shirt for every area they play. In the US most cities get their own shirt. Since they play 2 or 3 gigs in Texas they just do that shirt. Countries work the same way. The back is almost always the same, but with the city/date(s) listed, and the front is different. If you look on their website they sell them (under event shirts) but without the city/date(s), to differentiate for the people who saw the show.

Here's the Texas shirt:
https://ironmaiden.com/shop/texas-event-shirt.html

They've been doing this for quite some time, by the way. And damn, I miss the 3/4 black sleeved jerseys. Or better yet, the very rare black with white sleeve jerseys.
(https://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/styles/shirtview/public/user-6473/767da73ad18b2999c7ef1ec41e7cda3d.jpg?itok=nSY-XDhk)


I would LOVE to have one of those Boston shirts.  Anyone going that is willing to pick on up for me as a favor?  PM me.
See above.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
Oh, cool.  Thanks.  Hopefully, the Boston one doesn't sell out and shows up in a few days.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2017, 05:57:49 PM
Yeah, I remember a friend of mine had one from a show in the Somewhere in Time tour that had Eddie as one of the characters in Miami Vice, white suit and all....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2017, 09:33:51 PM
I would LOVE to have one of those Boston shirts.  Anyone going that is willing to pick on up for me as a favor?  PM me.

I didn't want to PM you to get your hopes up, but they were sold out when we got there. I was going to grab an extra one. We got there towards the end of Ghost's set.

Oddly, I only saw ONE guy wearing the shirt. They couldn't have made too many of them.




I just want to say that Bruce was spectacular! :metal  He brought it BIG TIME. I think the three days off since the weekend's shows helped. He totally f'd up on TRATB, coming in too early for the last chorus before the instrumental part.
His performance was ridiculous. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2017, 06:54:42 AM
I just want to say that Bruce was spectacular! :metal  He brought it BIG TIME. I think the three days off since the weekend's shows helped. He totally f'd up on TRATB, coming in too early for the last chorus before the instrumental part.
His performance was ridiculous. :hefdaddy

Nice  :metal and they got another day off today before the weekend showdown in Brooklyn.  I think the guys are going to bring it for the sold out show tomorrow and the final show of the tour saturday.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on July 20, 2017, 07:23:00 AM
Dammit, I saw them and didn't read this thread.   Sorry Bosk1.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 20, 2017, 08:01:29 AM
That's okay.  Thanks anyway, guys.  Hopefully, it'll still show up on their site.  But if not, no big deal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 20, 2017, 08:26:37 AM
re: I thought the California shirt was dumb, frankly. They've had better in years past. I decided to forego buying a shirt entirely (parking was 40 bucks, which already had me irritated). Glad everyone in New England had a good time. Glad Bruce was sounding good. For my show, he had a bit of a rough time (sounded like he had a bit of a cold).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 20, 2017, 08:36:42 AM
Yeah, I saw the Cali shirt on the website after Barto posted that link.  Not impressed.  But the Boston shirt is amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 20, 2017, 08:38:15 AM
re: I thought the California shirt was dumb, frankly. They've had better in years past. I decided to forego buying a shirt entirely (parking was 40 bucks, which already had me irritated). Glad everyone in New England had a good time. Glad Bruce was sounding good. For my show, he had a bit of a rough time (sounded like he had a bit of a cold).
I thought the same thing when I saw them in Cali on the SBiT tour. I don't like happy Eddie. I want menacing Eddie on my shirts. Florida works the same way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 20, 2017, 08:39:38 AM
Yeah, I saw the Cali shirt on the website after Barto posted that link.  Not impressed.  But the Boston shirt is amazing.

Pic?

I wonder if any of my NY friends will be able to nab me a NY shirt when they play Brooklyn. Will have to ask. Hopefully that one is cool. I do not wear anything Boston-related. Ever. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 20, 2017, 08:42:16 AM
Yeah, I saw the Cali shirt on the website after Barto posted that link.  Not impressed.  But the Boston shirt is amazing.

Pic?

I wonder if any of my NY friends will be able to nab me a NY shirt when they play Brooklyn. Will have to ask. Hopefully that one is cool. I do not wear anything Boston-related. Ever. :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCjKNMXUAMK_jS.jpg:large)

Five rings.  :metal
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Post by: Samsara on July 20, 2017, 08:43:17 AM
Wonder if they can fit 27 on the NYC shirt.

Go Yankees.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 20, 2017, 08:49:19 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2017, 08:50:48 AM
Wow Blaze is doing a North American tour

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ex-iron-maiden-singer-blaze-bayley-announces-north-american-tour-in-support-of-endure-and-survive/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ex-iron-maiden-singer-blaze-bayley-announces-north-american-tour-in-support-of-endure-and-survive/)

No dates that are easy for me to make, but I enjoy his solo material and would check him out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 20, 2017, 08:57:19 AM
That's pretty cool. Not a huge Blaze fan, but I enjoyed his live record.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on July 20, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
The day after. The Queen and I at Trillium Brewing and she is wearing her Trooper brew concert T.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/5000x400q90/924/dEwiz9.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/podEwiz9j)
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Post by: Zydar on July 20, 2017, 09:53:50 AM
 :metal  :beeremoticon:
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Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2017, 09:54:31 AM
 :yarr :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2017, 10:10:32 AM
Yeah, I saw the Cali shirt on the website after Barto posted that link.  Not impressed.  But the Boston shirt is amazing.

Pic?

I wonder if any of my NY friends will be able to nab me a NY shirt when they play Brooklyn. Will have to ask. Hopefully that one is cool. I do not wear anything Boston-related. Ever. :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCjKNMXUAMK_jS.jpg:large)

Five rings.  :metal

It's always the little things with Maiden.    The clock is at two minutes to midnight, there is a naked woman in the window (of the CHURCH!) and there are 283 (28-3) rungs on the rope ladders on the ship.   
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Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2017, 10:12:26 AM
And the historical references of course, plus a case of Trooper beer mixed with the tea
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 20, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
...there is a naked woman in the window (of the CHURCH!)

???  There is?

...and there are 283 (28-3) rungs on the rope ladders on the ship.   

What is that reference?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on July 20, 2017, 10:38:19 AM
...there is a naked woman in the window (of the CHURCH!)

???  There is?

...and there are 283 (28-3) rungs on the rope ladders on the ship.   

What is that reference?

The score of the Super Bowl when the Pats started their comeback.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jingle.boy on July 20, 2017, 10:59:51 AM
:metal  :beeremoticon:

:thursday:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 20, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
...there is a naked woman in the window (of the CHURCH!)

???  There is?

...and there are 283 (28-3) rungs on the rope ladders on the ship.   

What is that reference?

The score of the Super Bowl when the Pats started their comeback.

Which the Patriots highlighted by having 283 diamonds on their latest rings.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 20, 2017, 11:08:02 AM
Admittedly, I hate the Patriots (and Red Sox) with every ounce of my being. But what Maiden did with the details on that shirt is amazing. What a cool treat. :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2017, 01:10:06 PM
cram, Stadler this is the place I was considering going before Maiden on Saturday.

https://www.threesbrewing.com/at-threes/

A brewery that also has guest taps, wines, and cocktails. The butcher that run the food program in their kitchen is pretty damn good too. It's walking distance to Barclays, but not so close that it gets overly swamped ahead of events in my previous experiences.

Looks fine to me, I think it's very unlikely I have more than a beer for the entire day.  I'll probably just be drinking my typical vodka clubs, my body doesn't take beer well anymore it seems.

Sounds good to me.   We're coming down that morning (my friend wants to look up a relative in Brooklyn, about eight blocks from the arena) so we're open.

Hey guys, any idea on a time to meet up?  I'll be around and likely bored that afternoon so I'm good for whatever, but my friend who is meeting me is trying to figure out what time to show up as well.  Doors for tonight (and I assume for tomorrow as well) are at 6pm and Ghost goes on at 7:30, Maiden at 8:50.
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 21, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
cram, Stadler this is the place I was considering going before Maiden on Saturday.

https://www.threesbrewing.com/at-threes/

A brewery that also has guest taps, wines, and cocktails. The butcher that run the food program in their kitchen is pretty damn good too. It's walking distance to Barclays, but not so close that it gets overly swamped ahead of events in my previous experiences.

Looks fine to me, I think it's very unlikely I have more than a beer for the entire day.  I'll probably just be drinking my typical vodka clubs, my body doesn't take beer well anymore it seems.

Sounds good to me.   We're coming down that morning (my friend wants to look up a relative in Brooklyn, about eight blocks from the arena) so we're open.

Hey guys, any idea on a time to meet up?  I'll be around and likely bored that afternoon so I'm good for whatever, but my friend who is meeting me is trying to figure out what time to show up as well.  Doors for tonight (and I assume for tomorrow as well) are at 6pm and Ghost goes on at 7:30, Maiden at 8:50.

I've got a thing in the city in the afternoon, was planning on Ubering over from the LES and getting there like 5:30-6. Don't particulary care about catching Ghost's set again.
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Post by: Stadler on July 21, 2017, 07:06:56 PM
My buddy and I will be there mid afternoon.   Love to meet up!   

Really excited for this show.  More than I thought I would be.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2017, 10:04:09 PM
Definitely the best IM show I've been to.  The crowd was wild up front and there were so many people from other countries who came out for it.  It's so hot out, the place was a sweatshop, bruce was drenched, we all were drenched.  It was great.  Made a few friends, one guy approached me "Hey you were at the Delain concert?!" and we hung out in the pit together  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 23, 2017, 02:41:02 PM
So weekend is about over and I'm exhausted from this insanely fun weekend with Iron Maiden in Brooklyn.  I thought my previous experiences could not be topped, especially after seeing them twice on this tour already, but I think it was, or at least is up there with the best Maiden concert experiences.  Had a nice meet up yesterday with Stadler and Axeman.  Shooting the shit with drinks and Maiden on the bar speakers at Montrose was really cool.  Quite a few babes (models  :lol) were chilling too  :yarr  Once we got in we all were seperated, but I was also with my friend who wasn't there last night so he got the awesome experience.  During Ghost's set we grabbed some food and beer and while walking back to the seats I just lead my buddy past the security guard who was clearly not paying attention.  We weren't anywhere crazy, just in the seats sort of behind the set.  No one was near us.  The cool part of this (we watched an entire song from here before security asked us to leave  :lol) was Papa came backstage during a guitar solo and had a drink, then came back out and worked the crowd.  I feel like no one could have seen that besides us from our viewpoint (it's also in my video). We actually ended up meeting with those girls again from the bar in the pit between sets.  Just another story of meeting cool people at concerts.  Iron Maiden was awesome, they were definitely more loose being the final night of the tour.  I'd say the first night was better by far in terms of crowd participation up front, there were quite a few mosh pits but I don't recall seeing any the second night.  There were quite a few awesome things that happened which made the night fun and unique (on top of the back area sneaking).    Bruce tried to feed Dave a banana, to which Dave finally excepted just for it to fall out of the peel  :lol and towards the end of the set, Bruce started taking his clothes off and throwing them into the crowd.  He started with his jacket during The Book of Souls, he wrapped the heart in the jacket and tossed the whole thing.  Later he then threw his wifebeater, his cargo pants, his socks, and his boots all into the crowd and left the stage at the end of the evening in just his boxers  :lol He also mentioned they would be back next year  :metal :metal

Anyway, I got a lot of video from the past two nights and spent my day putting it together.  Decided to name it "Maiden Brooklyn" being this was actually the first time they played in Brooklyn in quite some time, plus it seemed like a somewhat significant set of concerts being the last time they'll likely play many of these songs.   

Maiden Brooklyn- Iron Maiden & Ghost Live at Barclays Center Brooklyn NY 7/21-22/17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkrzj_ncgVM)

And some pics...

(https://scontent.fewr1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20247949_10114542535439294_8233985191949477363_o.jpg?oh=141d4eeb3d1dc3779951c193afd05670&oe=59F4E403)

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 23, 2017, 02:50:00 PM
They'll be back next year? interesting.

With yet another round for The Book of Souls very unlikely, and no history tour in sight, are they already planning a new album? or they'll come up with a "Whatever, we want to tour some more" kind of tour, like the Gimme the Ed tour?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2017, 03:03:21 PM
Awesome video Cram! Awesome.  :metal

I can totally relate to so much in that video. Man, I miss being young! :lol

Watching a band from behind the stage is awesome. You totally see so many cool things.

Great job and thanks for putting that together. Totally appreciated and it won't be the last time I watch it.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 23, 2017, 03:10:07 PM
Thanks TAC  :metal

They'll be back next year? interesting.

There's a rumors thread on the fan club forum with them doing as you said, another sort of Gimme Ed tour with just songs from throughout their history.  I was surprised when he said they were coming back so soon though, that same thread also said the tour might not include NA, but who knows for sure really.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2017, 03:15:10 PM
On maidenfans, people are guessing it would be a Legacy Of The Beast sort of thing.

Hey Marc, one of my favorite moments on your video is the shot after the show when you guys were milling around on the floor. That brought back so many memories. Found most of my concert guitar pics that way!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 23, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
 :metal There was a lot of loot thrown out from the band, but I didn't even think to look for it while wondering around.  I've actually come to really enjoy watching the arena empty and then leaving when they finally ask you to.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
Totally. I can't really do that anymore. I used to love to look at the empty stage, and see how fast the crew started taking it apart.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 23, 2017, 03:48:26 PM
I've had Death or Glory in my head since the show last night :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2017, 04:28:54 PM
Honestly I wish they would just do another album. This was the first tour since BNW that I got to see a current album tour.

There really was no DoD tour, we were in Disney when AMOLAD came to Boston, and although they toured with TFF stage, it didn't come up here, nor was it the official TFF album tour. Just a bunch of tunes and El Dorado.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on July 23, 2017, 07:32:12 PM
That's true. AMOLAD also didn't spend much time in the US.

I have a good feeling that Maiden will do another album this fall before touring again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
I hope you're right. But it would go against the pattern of the last 17 years!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on July 23, 2017, 07:38:02 PM
It would, but the band seem unusually excited about making another album. Compare any interview promoting TBOS to the TFF interviews. With Bruce's cancer I think they realize that if they want to do another album it would be better not to put it off. They could do something similar to BNW into DoD where they did a short run with a classics setlist in between.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2017, 07:53:43 PM
It truly felt like the band were enjoying themselves more than usual on this tour.
Heck, even Adrian was interacting with Jannick! ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2017, 03:33:41 AM
It would, but the band seem unusually excited about making another album. Compare any interview promoting TBOS to the TFF interviews. With Bruce's cancer I think they realize that if they want to do another album it would be better not to put it off. They could do something similar to BNW into DoD where they did a short run with a classics setlist in between.

I agree with this... they did not make a mystery out of their burst of creativity and the realization that the clock is ticking, I would assume they're all on the same page about wanting to do another album sooner than later.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 24, 2017, 05:06:30 AM
 Great pics and stories, cramx3!!! Like TAC, I´m above 40 now and while I still enjoy going to concerts, I find that my attitude during the shows are more like "ok, I´ve ticked another box now". I really enjoyed seeing Maiden twice on this tour - in Rio and Toronto - but must admit my excitement level is nowhere near what it was when I first saw them in 1992.

 Anyway, I also feel like the band has a new lease of life on this tour. Like TAC said, Adrian is even interacting with Jannick. A stark contrast from when he rejoined the band in 1999 - he seemed so stiff and detached on stage!!! I´ll take whatever Maiden wants to do in 2018 - new album, new tour, new "retrospective" DVD covering the 90´s...I can´t wait!!! And I´ve made one resolution: I have a three year old daughter who´s fascinated with Eddie - she´s seen the album covers, his appearances on stahe and also my t-shirts. The next time Maiden tours I´ll definitely bring her with me, as I think it will be the last chance of showing her something so grand live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 24, 2017, 07:11:30 AM
What an experience!   I went down with my friend - we've seen Maiden a handful of times together already, though not on this tour - and we met up with Cram, his buddy, and Axeman.   Had a couple beers, met up with some other people (the "models!") and went in.   I saw the last three songs of Ghost.  I think I get it, but it's not really my thing.  I think some of it is lost in the translation (especially the part about the "female orgasms"). 

Maiden was amazing.  I was on the floor right in front of Cram where he took the selfie (the girl on the left, to his right, was standing right next to me for most of the first half of the show, but then after a bunch of pushing my friend and I got moved up a couple of feet).

It was a little harder to hear where I was, but Bruce sounded, and looked, amazing.  He's 58 and he was in CONSTANT motion for the whole set.   I've never seen a guy - well, except him - run the length of the stage, run the length of the stage BACK, then jump ten feet to land in front of the mike then start singing his lines.  His cardio has to be off the fucking charts. 

Dave looked amused the whole show, Adrian looked happy (I have a great shot of him trying not to laugh while Bruce was wearing a monkey mask and playing with two inflatable Curious George balloons during Death Or Glory).  Jannick had one GREAT solo - during Book of Souls, I think, though it might have been Blood Brothers - but did his usual guitar swirl/tuck the guitar under his arm nonsense.  Harris was his usual momster self, as was Nicko.

Really impressed with the new stuff live.   el Barto said once that The Red And The Black was always iffy; you didn't know what you were going to get, something great or something that dragged.  At Barclay's, Night Two, we got GREAT.   The second half was all jam and it was amazing.   It was second least favorite of the new songs going in, but it was probably the best of the new songs in terms of performance. 

Stage set was cool.   Liked the "live" Eddie better than I thought I would, and LOVED the 'ead.  I have some decent video of that as well.  I'll try to upload what I can but it might take a day or so.

Bruce said more than once that they were going to be back soon, and at one point he said that they had some amazing ideas that were going to blow your mind, though he couldn't tell us right then "because he'd have to kill us".   So it seems more than just idle "See you next time, Brooklyn!" nonsense.   

Oh, I loved when Bruce threw the wife beater; before he did, he wrung it out (there was a flow of sweat from it) and after he threw it, he said "You might want to wash that one!".   All the members interacted with each other - yes, including Adrian and Jannick - and Nicko gave great hugs to Dave in particular, but I don't recall Bruce interacting much with the others or than Dave and Nicko.  Does anyone know the mood in the band now?  Is it an operation like the Stones where there are friends, but they sort of tolerate each other - especially Bruce - because he's (still) the greatest frontman in metal and they have to?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 24, 2017, 07:19:39 AM
It was a little harder to hear where I was, but Bruce sounded, and looked, amazing.  He's 58 and he was in CONSTANT motion for the whole set.   I've never seen a guy - well, except him - run the length of the stage, run the length of the stage BACK, then jump ten feet to land in front of the mike then start singing his lines.  His cardio has to be off the fucking charts. 

I'd read years ago that Bruce would rollerblade or exercise while singing the entire set for a tour.  So he's doing cardio while rehearsing and singing to ensure that he can be so active on stage and sing well at the same time.

I'm excited to see what they come up with for a new tour. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 24, 2017, 07:52:11 AM
I was quite surprise to not see a whole band gathering after the concert.  Nicko, Dave, and Steve all hugged and bowed together, but the rest of the guys just kind of wandered off stage.  Considering the end of the tour, sometimes they all including crew come out for a photo or just a big thank you type of thing.  Otherwise, I thought all seemed cool together on stage.  They were very loose on night 2.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2017, 08:10:54 AM
It was a little harder to hear where I was, but Bruce sounded, and looked, amazing.  He's 58 and he was in CONSTANT motion for the whole set.   I've never seen a guy - well, except him - run the length of the stage, run the length of the stage BACK, then jump ten feet to land in front of the mike then start singing his lines.  His cardio has to be off the fucking charts. 

I'd read years ago that Bruce would rollerblade or exercise while singing the entire set for a tour.  So he's doing cardio while rehearsing and singing to ensure that he can be so active on stage and sing well at the same time.

I'm excited to see what they come up with for a new tour.

Speaking of rehearsals... I sometimes wonder how they do a dress rehersal for the show; do they play the entire set with the actual set built and the pyro going on? or maybe Eddie is just the business of those who lift him during Iron Maiden and the band "doesn't care" because it's not their part? does Bruce runs around the stage like a maniac in an empty hall, addressing an imaginary audience? I'd love to see how things go  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 24, 2017, 08:47:30 AM
Glad my fellow NYers (and those in the tri-state area) got a good show, and happy to hear Bruce sounded killer. I am convinced he simply had a cold at the show I attended. Very cool everyone. Happy folks had a good time.  :tup

p.s. fingers crossed for a new album next year. Tour would be cool, but I hope it's a full on new album and tour again. I agree, they probably realize now time is short, and better not to waste it.

Cram, Stadler, thanks for the write ups (and will check out that video later, Cram!)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on July 24, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
So it seems TBOS is one of those Maiden albums where my preferences vastly differ from most folks here or at Maidenfans. I'd be very content with Disc 2 + Speed of Light.

The other albums in this category:

Fear of the Dark: I like everything except FHTE and WW

Dance of Death: I like everything except GoT and Montsegur
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 24, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
I Love Montesegur!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 24, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
So it seems TBOS is one of those Maiden albums where my preferences vastly differ from most folks here or at Maidenfans. I'd be very content with Disc 2 + Speed of Light.

The other albums in this category:

Fear of the Dark: I like everything except FHTE and WW

Dance of Death: I like everything except GoT and Montsegur

We'll get there, but for Fear... those are two of my three favorite songs from that record (though WW is a confounding song; excellent music, somewhat different for Maiden, but the lyrics... eeeesh.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 24, 2017, 08:47:44 PM
So it seems TBOS is one of those Maiden albums where my preferences vastly differ from most folks here or at Maidenfans. I'd be very content with Disc 2 + Speed of Light.

The other albums in this category:

Fear of the Dark: I like everything except FHTE and WW

Dance of Death: I like everything except GoT and Montsegur

We'll get there, but for Fear... those are two of my three favorite songs from that record (though WW is a confounding song; excellent music, somewhat different for Maiden, but the lyrics... eeeesh.)

"Watcha gonna dooooo...on Monday..."  :yeahright
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TempusVox on July 24, 2017, 09:00:15 PM
Stadler completely agree with the Ghost comment. In fact one of the funniest things I've ever seen at a concert ever was Saturday night.

 (In that near Borat accent of his)
"Who wants to for have an orgasm tonight!?!?"
 *Crowd roars*
 "...In the name of Satan!?!?"
 *A few people cheer*
 "Okay...Good enough..."

 I thought I was going to cry I laughed so hard.

Earlier on when he said, "I want all of you go to give each other orgasm tonight Brooklyn!" I said to my buddy, ''Does he not know that like 85% of everyone here is a male heterosexual?"  :lol :lol

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 24, 2017, 11:47:53 PM
That's brilliant.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 25, 2017, 05:57:12 AM
It was a little harder to hear where I was, but Bruce sounded, and looked, amazing.  He's 58 and he was in CONSTANT motion for the whole set.   I've never seen a guy - well, except him - run the length of the stage, run the length of the stage BACK, then jump ten feet to land in front of the mike then start singing his lines.  His cardio has to be off the fucking charts. 

I mentioned that in my comments about the show. I was amazed at Bruce. We had pretty good seats and just watching him was mind boggling. His performance was incredible.

What impressed me was that this was at the very end of the two year tour cycle, with the final two big shows in New York to follow, and he treated our show like it was the most important gig ever to him.

Seeing bands multiple times, you can pick up on energy ebbs and flows from show to show, and Bruce was off the charts.

Stage set was cool.   Liked the "live" Eddie better than I thought I would, and LOVED the 'ead.   

This was one of my favorite live Eddies.


    All the members interacted with each other - yes, including Adrian and Jannick

I mentioned this as well, and it's been happening all tour long. He seemed to have spent more time on Jannick's side than he ever has.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on July 25, 2017, 07:10:04 AM
I enjoyed Ghost but what sucks about them is that they sound so much heavier in a live setting than studio. I enjoyed their live sound. Not much of a fan of their studio releases.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 25, 2017, 07:30:29 AM
If he keeps "that" band together, I will be interested.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TempusVox on July 25, 2017, 10:16:45 AM
It was a little harder to hear where I was, but Bruce sounded, and looked, amazing.  He's 58 and he was in CONSTANT motion for the whole set.   I've never seen a guy - well, except him - run the length of the stage, run the length of the stage BACK, then jump ten feet to land in front of the mike then start singing his lines.  His cardio has to be off the fucking charts. 

I mentioned that in my comments about the show. I was amazed at Bruce. We had pretty good seats and just watching him was mind boggling. His performance was incredible.

What impressed me was that this was at the very end of the two year tour cycle, with the final two big shows in New York to follow, and he treated our show like it was the most important gig ever to him.

Saturday was my 8th show this tour (including 3 in the UK). And quite honestly, they brought that same energy every show.
Maiden is like the McDonald's of metal. Or better put, Henry Ford would be proud of these guys. Every last detail is nailed down to a science, and repeated over and over and over again. Stage sets, outfits, physical stunts..it's all precise, rehearsed, and the same. Every fan in every city gets the same experience-Just like fast food, in the sense that a burger in Salt Lake City is the same as a burger in Buffalo and the same as a burger in Tampa Bay-and Maiden brings it and leaves it all on the stage floor night after night.
 There are exceptions of course and moments of spontaneity, but they are a machine. And one of the reasons they are so good at it is that they truly love doing it. It shows, night after night. I have never been to a bad Maiden concert. What was so special on Saturday was the fact that you know they are exhausted, it's the end of the tour, they're all anxious to go home, be with family, golf, West Ham games to attend-- and you could tell a part of them didn't want it to be over.

Can't wait to see what next year brings!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 25, 2017, 10:20:58 AM
Well said, Tempus!!! One thing I noticed, after seeing two shows on this tour, one year apart from each other, is how the whole band is rehearsed. One particular moment I like is when The Trooper starts, and Adrian, Jannick, Steve and Dave all line up as if they're doing an army formation, and advance together from Nicko's drumkit towards the edge of the stage and the amps. They do this every night, and it's so cool!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 25, 2017, 10:29:42 AM
Even the Eddie thing is so choreographed and that's fine. It's the energy and joy that the band brings. I compare that with Rush, though I haven't seen them live in ages, but you didn't have to be a rocket scientist to know when they were going through the motions. They were into it or they weren't.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 25, 2017, 10:53:30 AM
I think to a degree you have to have it that way so that a) the songs sound right, and b) no one gets hurt.   

I only saw one show this tour, but even if I saw multiple ones, if the team is delivering and not phoning it in - and on NO level did they phone it in on Saturday - I'll take it. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 25, 2017, 11:00:27 AM
I think to a degree you have to have it that way so that a) the songs sound right, and b) no one gets hurt.   


Totally. 


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 25, 2017, 11:29:41 AM
I believe everything is coreographed, even which songs Bruce sings on top and which ones he sings on the amps... hell, I've even seen him always make the same amps jump before the final chorus of If Eternity Should Fail in multiple videos. But indeed, if it works for them, if nobody gets a guitar in the face because they know where they're supposed to stand and they're into it, who cares.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 26, 2017, 07:42:28 AM
There's also the fact that they are a stadium band.  You can't - well I guess you CAN, but it's not entertaining - have all five guys clumped up in one spot at the corner of the stage.   They are EXTREMELY good at spreading out on stage so that every fan can feel like there's a band member in front of them.    Bruce is the guy that fills in the blanks in that equation.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on July 26, 2017, 07:50:38 AM
Maiden England DVD has just dropped through the door from Amazon. *Rubs hands and laughs maniacally * 😀.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on July 26, 2017, 09:12:13 AM
There's also the fact that they are a stadium band.  You can't - well I guess you CAN, but it's not entertaining - have all five guys clumped up in one spot at the corner of the stage.   They are EXTREMELY good at spreading out on stage so that every fan can feel like there's a band member in front of them.    Bruce is the guy that fills in the blanks in that equation.   

That's definitely something that sets him apart from all other singers. He's often (and rightfully so) lumped into discussions with Ronnie and Rob. The difference between him and them is that he's so incredibly active on stage. I think that the other two have great stage presence, but Bruce is a madman  :lol

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 26, 2017, 09:16:32 AM
Rob has another kind of charisma, the one that allows him to stand there completely still and look like a badass. But yeah, Bruce is the running madman type  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 26, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
OH MY GOD.    :hefdaddy

https://ironmaiden.com/news/article/what-does-this-button-do

HarperNonFiction will publish “What Does This Button Do” on October 19th. For the first time ever, Bruce shares his recollections of childhood and school days, joining Maiden, his solo career, aviation, his recent tongue cancer and much more. In typical Bruce style, this book was written exhaustively in longhand, filling seven A4 notebooks, which he has been working on meticulously whilst out on the road during The Book Of Souls World Tour.

The book will be released internationally with local language versions being made available too.

To read the full Harper Collins press release click here

Pre-order links here (more to be added as we get them):

(https://ironmaiden.com/media/images/bruce-jacket.png)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 26, 2017, 10:12:57 AM
That sounds like a must read for me
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Post by: Mladen on July 26, 2017, 10:33:07 AM
Amazing news. Bruce is such an interesting person that a fan like me can't not read his autobiography.
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Post by: Zydar on July 26, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
Wow, that is a must have.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on July 26, 2017, 11:12:27 AM
Just spotted that on twitter. I'm definitely getting it when it's released. :tup
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 26, 2017, 11:15:43 AM
Yea that pretty much is an insta buy for me.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 26, 2017, 12:45:17 PM
This is probably gonna be the first musician biography I'll buy  :hefdaddy

Oh, and I quote the press release on Maiden's site:

The global publication on 19th October will be accompanied with a commensurate international book tour. More details to come soon on www.ironmaiden.com/news including dates for markets publishing local language translations

HE'S GONNA DO A BOOK TOUR? I MAY HAVE THE CHANCE TO MEET HIM??? Gaaaaaaaaaaaah I want a local event NOW!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: wolfking on July 26, 2017, 04:21:55 PM
I'm not a reader or a book guy at all but that's a must have.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 27, 2017, 12:18:57 AM
This will be interesting.

Anyone knows what the title refers to? It's not excatly the usual title for autobiographies.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 27, 2017, 01:04:15 AM
Anyone knows what the title refers to? It's not excatly the usual title for autobiographies.

Totally wild guess: either something he saw during his medical procedures for getting cancer treatment, or just a whacky metaphor for curiosity, because Bruce is Bruce and can't be arsed with coming up with a pompous and serious title for his own autobiography.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 27, 2017, 06:41:45 AM
Could also just be due to his own curiosities that lead him into so many different professions and adventures in his life.
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Post by: TAC on July 27, 2017, 06:49:07 AM
Totally wild guess: either something he saw during his medical procedures for getting cancer treatment, 

That makes a lot of sense.

I also could see him envisioning a clueless world leader looking at the "blow the world to smithereens" button about to press it while asking the question.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 27, 2017, 06:52:20 AM
I thought it was maybe referring to a well known maiden episode that only I don't know and you guys could lead me to it. But then obviously not.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 27, 2017, 11:22:53 AM
Or, surprised I thought of cancer treatment before this, if it has an actual meaning, maybe it's a button in the cockpit of a plane.

Uh well, we'll find out in some months  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: njfirefighter on July 27, 2017, 12:04:31 PM
I thought it was a reference to flying planes and aviation, cockpit buttons etc.  :-\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 27, 2017, 12:18:02 PM
Could also just be due to his own curiosities that lead him into so many different professions and adventures in his life.

That's how I took it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on July 27, 2017, 01:06:41 PM
Could also just be due to his own curiosities that lead him into so many different professions and adventures in his life.

That's how I took it.
yup. Pretty obvious imo
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 28, 2017, 03:53:06 PM
Could also just be due to his own curiosities that lead him into so many different professions and adventures in his life.

That's how I took it.
yup. Pretty obvious imo

Yeah, exactly.  I thought it was pretty obvious myself also.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 30, 2017, 08:09:31 PM
So during this interview of Nicko on Eddie Trunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_7jVrdzGoI&t=2s


Nicko talks about Keith Moon being an influence. Now a lot of drummers cite Moon as an influence, but is there any other drummer where you feel Moon's influence? To me, it shows through in Nicko's playing. Maybe a question for the drummers out there, but does anyone else feel this?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 09, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
I've been waiting for this for a while now, but Brave New World, Dance of Death, and A Matter of Life and Death albums is back on Spotify now.  Listening to the A Matter of Life and Death album right now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: LudwigVan on August 10, 2017, 09:12:51 AM
So during this interview of Nicko on Eddie Trunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_7jVrdzGoI&t=2s


Nicko talks about Keith Moon being an influence. Now a lot of drummers cite Moon as an influence, but is there any other drummer where you feel Moon's influence? To me, it shows through in Nicko's playing. Maybe a question for the drummers out there, but does anyone else feel this?

Hey Tim,
I'm inserting this post from the other Maiden thread because it speaks directly to what you're referring to.  I think it absolutely shows through in Nicko's playing.  There's a wonderful elasticity in Moon's/Bonham's/Nicko's playing that each of their respective bands feed off of and build on. 

Thanks to this thread, I've been listening to a lot of Maiden over the past few weeks (listening to Dance of Death right now.  Slightly underrated reunion era album?)  and I've come to a significant realization.  Recording to a click track would have been near impossible for this band.  Whether that's good or bad depends on your point of view, but I think, especially in the reunion era and tracking live as a band, that if Nicko had a click in his ear, the music would be vastly different.  As a drummer who has practiced with a metronome for decades and as a music fan who's listening tastes generally veer towards music of the gridded out variety, I can find listening to Maiden to be challenging with their sudden tempo changes, especially the tempo changes that, to my ears, come off as a course correction.  If I get some time, I may drop something like Can I Play With Madness into Pro Tools or something similar and do a tempo map, just to see how much it changes throughout the song.  The thing I find impressive about the tempo changes is that they manage to pull it off as a band.  It's not just Nicko making adjustments and everyone else fumbling to fall back or catch up, it's the whole band working as one.  That's a pretty impressive inter band telepathy. :metal

I'm not a drummer, though I have played in bands before (including marching bands, which is significant here) and I feel like the greatest bands do what you describe and it is - in part - why they are the greatest.  I've written here before, but it's to me why the vast majority of drummers STILL cite John Bonham as being the guy, and yet the majority of Zeppelin covers fall flat.   He and Page, in particular, had a really smooth way of doing just what you describe.   When I saw Temple of the Dog, they SMOKED a cover of Achilles Last Stand - one of the best Zeppelin covers I have ever heard - and in part it was because Matt Cameron and Stone Gossard were locked in, but the tempo was not.   It ebbed and flowed but did so as a band unit, not one guy scrambling to catch up to the other.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2017, 02:15:35 PM
Right, but I wasn't so much talking about the pacing. I was thinking more about the approach to fills.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 11, 2017, 01:07:28 AM
Apparently there was a photo about Iron Maiden at Nova Rock Festival in June 2018 that has been removed and denied by the promoters.

Sincere mistake or a mess up that revealed something that was not meant to be seen? it may confirm another stint on the road next year, as people attending the latest concerts reported.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 17, 2017, 09:03:39 AM
https://ironmaiden.com/news/article/legacy-of-the-beast-comic-book-series-revealed

I'm not much into comic books, but might be of interest to some..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 22, 2017, 12:07:10 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/bruce-dickinson-to-release-soloworks-the-vinyl-collection-in-october-first-details-revealed
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Post by: PowerSlave on August 22, 2017, 05:43:42 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/bruce-dickinson-to-release-soloworks-the-vinyl-collection-in-october-first-details-revealed

Meanwhile, he recorded a new album with Roy a few years ago, and I'm beginning to think that we'll never get to hear it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on August 22, 2017, 06:55:11 PM
I don't think he recorded an album, just wrote and demoed some stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on August 22, 2017, 07:00:30 PM
I don't think he recorded an album, just wrote and demoed some stuff.

I could have sworn that Roy posted something on social media a couple of years ago about having something in the can. I may have misunderstood it, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on August 22, 2017, 07:14:07 PM
Dunno if it was the same thing, but I remember him just saying he was working with Bruce. He also mostly posts in Spanish on facebook so there could've been a mistranslation too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 22, 2017, 07:18:06 PM
We need Rodrigo to get to the bottom of this!
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 22, 2017, 08:55:14 PM
My mother language is Portugue, but I learned Spanish too. Where are the links?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 23, 2017, 07:08:53 AM
I don't think he recorded an album, just wrote and demoed some stuff.

I could have sworn that Roy posted something on social media a couple of years ago about having something in the can. I may have misunderstood it, though.

I don't think you're wrong, but I think some of those ideas went onto Book of Souls, because I remember a quote from him (Roy) being a little disappointed that he didn't get credit where credit was due.   Doesn't mean there isn't other stuff still there, but, I don't get any impression that there is an album waiting for release at this point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on August 23, 2017, 07:25:08 AM
If Eternity Should Fail was meant to be a Bruce solo song. There was another Steve  wanted to use called Nightmares but Roy Z helped write it and Steve has a no outside writers rule.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 23, 2017, 07:26:39 AM
https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-bruce-dickinson-the-book-of-souls-18-minute-opus-empire-of-the-clouds/ (https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-bruce-dickinson-the-book-of-souls-18-minute-opus-empire-of-the-clouds/)

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Bruce reveals that the new album’s opening track, “If Eternity Should Fail,” was originally meant to be featured on his next solo album, but got turned into an Iron Maiden song instead.

edit: Mosh beat me to it, but at least I provided a link  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on August 23, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Yeah, the more that I think about it it's this stuff that I'm probably thinking about. It's a shame, though. Bruce's solo work with Roy is some of my favorite material of all time. Those two have something very special when they work together.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 10:22:07 AM
Yeah, the more that I think about it it's this stuff that I'm probably thinking about. It's a shame, though. Bruce's solo work with Roy is some of my favorite material of all time. Those two have something very special when they work together.

I definitely recall rumors of much more Bruce/Roy material they worked on that IM was holding back from being released, but as far as I remember, those were just rumors. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on August 23, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
I think Bruce still intends on using If Eternity Should Fail which should be interesting.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 24, 2017, 03:01:58 AM
I think Bruce still intends on using If Eternity Should Fail which should be interesting.

Absolutely. I hope he does another solo album and that he still uses the song, maybe changing it up a little bit to suit more Roy Z's style.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 24, 2017, 03:52:08 AM
Speaking of Bruce solo versus Maiden´s material, he has his own Wicker Man song, although his version has nothing to do with Maiden´s, only the title is the same. They´re both good songs, but Bruce´s is AMAZING! Comparing the two is as if Bruce based his version on the original film, whereas Maiden based theirs on the horrible Nick Cage remake.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 24, 2017, 03:56:26 AM
Speaking of Bruce solo versus Maiden´s material, he has his own Wicker Man song, although his version has nothing to do with Maiden´s, only the title is the same. They´re both good songs, but Bruce´s is AMAZING! Comparing the two is as if Bruce based his version on the original film, whereas Maiden based theirs on the horrible Nick Cage remake.

Edit: first link didn't work, but you immediately made me think of: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on August 24, 2017, 08:43:59 AM
Wicker Man
Man Of Sorrows
The Alchemist
Speed of Light

All song titles that were previously used in solo albums (although Blaze wasn't involved with the Maiden version).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on August 24, 2017, 08:28:17 PM
So the discography thread had me listening to a ton of Blaze lately - I stopped following him after the first live album, but I've always loved Silicon Messiah and As Live as it Gets.   Watched some of his last DVD (The Night that Would Not Die) and was blown away by how heavy some of his solo albums have been since then.   I just bought The Man That Would Not Die, since that album was the tour where he recorded the dvd and featured some of these songs.

This is insane.  Super heavy, fast, almost thrashy, but still with a little Maiden-esque sound.  He's kicking total ass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
Grapp, Promise And Terror is where it's at.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on August 25, 2017, 12:15:01 AM
Grapp, Promise And Terror is where it's at.
Definitely my favorite of the bunch.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 26, 2017, 03:55:15 AM
Silicon Messiah is wonderful, a couple of songs are better than those on X Factor or Virtual XI.

Tenth Dimension is equally great, Blood and Belief is very dark and brooding and may be off putting but it has quite some good songs, and also The Man who Would Not Die is great. Title track is awesome and also Smile Back at Death rules.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 27, 2017, 04:32:03 AM
Grapp, Promise And Terror is where it's at.
Definitely my favorite of the bunch.

Spun this one the other day, as I know you guys rate it but it never really grabbed me like some of the others.  I liked it a lot more though, some really fucking heavy parts and such a dark somber mood.  Good stuff.  I still like The Man Who Would Not Die more though I think.  That's one cracking record.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on August 27, 2017, 09:23:42 AM
Grapp, Promise And Terror is where it's at.
Definitely my favorite of the bunch.

Spun this one the other day, as I know you guys rate it but it never really grabbed me like some of the others.  I liked it a lot more though, some really fucking heavy parts and such a dark somber mood.  Good stuff.  I still like The Man Who Would Not Die more though I think.  That's one cracking record.

Has anyone else listened to Blaze's two most recent solo albums? The Infinite Entanglement albums? I'm not sure where I'd rank them both in the grand scheme of his solo work, but they're both pretty awesome. "Together We Could Move The Sun" is an especially awesome song.

Off-hand, I'd probably say my favorite solo album from Blaze is either Promise & Terror or Silicon Messiah, but it's been awhile since I went through his discography as a whole. :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on August 27, 2017, 02:23:49 PM
Has anyone else listened to Blaze's two most recent solo albums? The Infinite Entanglement albums?
I have. Part one is really good, part two is solid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 27, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
Endure And Survive is amazing!!

"Together We Could Move The Sun" is an especially awesome song.

Yes it is!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 27, 2017, 07:18:20 PM
Endure and Survive is definitely better than than one before it.  The production on Infinite Entanglement really hurts it IMO.

I like them but I miss the heavier style Blaze was doing before it.  King of Metal was pretty ordinary though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 01, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Bruce will do a short UK tour to promote his biography:

https://ironmaiden.com/news/article/bruce-s-uk-book-tour

"Tickets cost £30 - includes a pre-signed hardback copy of What Does This Button Do? and a Trooper beer (or a soft drink)."

You get the book and a beer, and you get to hear the man talking - I'm obviously biased 'cause I idolize and worship the man, but I think it's worth it, I'll gladly pay the equivalent if he hopefully comes down in Italy.

Sadly I assume that the pre-signed copy will be a standard, which means he won't be doing the autographs "live", and so I won't have a chance to be face to face with him, damn.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2017, 02:54:51 PM
Bruce will do a short UK tour to promote his biography:

https://ironmaiden.com/news/article/bruce-s-uk-book-tour

"Tickets cost £30 - includes a pre-signed hardback copy of What Does This Button Do? and a Trooper beer (or a soft drink)."

You get the book and a beer, and you get to hear the man talking - I'm obviously biased 'cause I idolize and worship the man, but I think it's worth it, I'll gladly pay the equivalent if he hopefully comes down in Italy.

Sadly I assume that the pre-signed copy will be a standard, which means he won't be doing the autographs "live", and so I won't have a chance to be face to face with him, damn.

Great deal if you ask me, I'd totally go if he came near me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2017, 06:14:41 PM
Bruce will do a short UK tour to promote his biography:

https://ironmaiden.com/news/article/bruce-s-uk-book-tour

"Tickets cost £30 - includes a pre-signed hardback copy of What Does This Button Do? and a Trooper beer (or a soft drink)."

You get the book and a beer, and you get to hear the man talking - I'm obviously biased 'cause I idolize and worship the man, but I think it's worth it, I'll gladly pay the equivalent if he hopefully comes down in Italy.

Sadly I assume that the pre-signed copy will be a standard, which means he won't be doing the autographs "live", and so I won't have a chance to be face to face with him, damn.

I would be all over that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2017, 06:16:02 PM
Totally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 11, 2017, 03:01:52 AM
An italian news site, while clearly stating they're just rumors, suggests an european only tour in the summer, and the focus may be once again the reunion era.

I hope that is true, it's quite likely Maiden will tour again next year, but I missed the pre-Final Frontier tour and seeing a reunion heavy set would be awesome for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 11, 2017, 04:16:46 AM
A European summer tour focused on reunion stuff would be marvelous.  :heart
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 11, 2017, 04:29:38 AM
European summer tour is most likely. It's the "reunion era" thing that I see addressed for the first time, supposedly there's a more traditional set to be built around the Legacy of the Beast thing, but in insight, it's not such a far fetched idea, after a tour of new album songs + classics + one song off the other post-2000 albums, to go heavy on the reunion era material in order to have the tour for the next album (that they all feel like doing, and that might be their last), being once again a new songs + classics combination.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on September 20, 2017, 07:59:12 AM
New live album!  Speed of Light live video!

https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-to-release-new-live-album-the-book-of-souls-live-chapter-speed-of-light-official-live-video-streaming

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Warner Music will release Iron Maiden’s The Book Of Souls: Live Chapter on November 17th worldwide (through BMG in the US). This live recording comprises 15 songs captured during The Book Of Souls World Tour, which covered 39 countries across six continents during 2016 and 2017, and was seen by over two million fans. The Book Of Souls: Live Chapter will be released physically in CD, deluxe CD & vinyl audio formats, with the concert film available to stream free online or as a digital download - full details below.

Produced by Tony Newton and Iron Maiden founder member and bass player Steve Harris, the album is based on this year’s set list and is a faithful record of the epic show, including six songs from The Book Of Souls, the band's most recent studio album, along with many other classics and fan favourites.

Steve comments, "We spent a huge amount of time working on this as I wanted to get it as close to the Maiden live experience as I possibly could and to represent our fans from different parts of the world. This meant listening to literally hours upon hours of tapes from every show, to select material and construct a sound that would run consistently across the whole album and capture the excitement of a new country like El Salvador alongside such regular favourites as Donington or Wacken.”

Maiden manager Rod Smallwood adds, "The Book Of Souls World Tour was a huge undertaking, not least for Bruce who started the tour singing in public for the very first time since recovering from throat cancer. He also piloted Ed-Force One, upgraded last year from a Boeing 757 to a 747 so we could go further and faster to visit some fantastic cities and fans all round the world. This year continued that excitement bringing us our most successful North American and UK tours ever. It was a very special tour in a great many ways so we felt we wanted to document it for both ourselves and for our fans. Steve has done an incredible job putting together this set from cities around the world and we’ve made sure the deluxe CD will be available in a matching book format to ‘The Book of Souls’ release.

"On top of all that the release will be celebrated by an event that is a Maiden first: a free live streaming premiere of the concert film, as a thank you to our loyal fans around the world. We hope that the global Maiden community will all enjoy coming together to watch this special event online. Many of you will be in it as there is footage from a whole host of the places we played on this momentous tour. ”

The full tracklisting and the cities they were recorded in, is as follows:

“If Eternity Should Fail” - Sydney, Australia
“Speed Of Light” - Cape Town, South Africa
“Wrathchild” - Dublin, Ireland
“Children Of The Damned” - Montreal, Canada
“Death Or Glory” - Wroclaw, Poland
“The Red And The Black” - Tokyo, Japan
“The Trooper” - San Salvador, El Salvador
“Powerslave” - Trieste, Italy
“The Great Unknown” - Newcastle, UK
“The Book Of Souls” - Donington, UK
“Fear Of The Dark” - Fortaleza, Brazil
“Iron Maiden” - Buenos Aires, Argentina
“Number Of The Beast” - Wacken, Germany
“Blood Brothers” - Donington, UK
“Wasted Years” - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Downside - no physical release of DVD/Blu-Ray concert film.   :tdwn
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Post by: PepeLePew on September 20, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
Stoked for this release!!! Not getting a Blu-Ray is a little bummer, though. Still like to get physical copies...
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 20, 2017, 08:25:26 AM
Will watch the stream probably, a live CD seems redundant but it will be cool to have some live versions of these songs.

I find it weird too that for such a spectacular visual show, they went for the audio part of it.
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Post by: Grappler on September 20, 2017, 08:30:10 AM
Will watch the stream probably, a live CD seems redundant but it will be cool to have some live versions of these songs.

I find it weird too that for such a spectacular visual show, they went for the audio part of it.

Only for a physical release - they still put together the video for a live stream event.  Maybe even the great Iron Maiden feels the burden of Youtube cutting into video sales. 

I'd imagine that the live stream will end up on youtube as well, so fans will get to see it.  We just don't get to own it.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 20, 2017, 08:32:43 AM
Well, to be fair, why should I buy "Iron Maiden - Live in Wacken 2016" when I can watch it on YouTube?
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Post by: Logain Ablar on September 20, 2017, 08:50:42 AM
From Iron Maiden twitter: Speed of light, from the new concert film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAsrFetnHzM
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 20, 2017, 08:51:56 AM
Well, to be fair, why should I buy "Iron Maiden - Live in Wacken 2016" when I can watch it on YouTube?

Sounds quality. Sucks for the people that live in rural areas where Wi-Fi isn't easily accessible.
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Post by: efx on September 20, 2017, 09:46:10 AM
I'm mostly shocked by the fact that the camera doesn't cut every single second. This looks good.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 20, 2017, 09:49:08 AM
Shame there's no physical release of the video.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2017, 10:07:32 AM
Shame there's no physical release of the video.

This. WTF.  I would pay for this blu ray!  Also, bummed there's no footage from the Brooklyn shows, thought for sure we might get something from the final shows.
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Post by: TAC on September 20, 2017, 11:05:10 AM
I'm so glad The Great Unknown is included on the CD. Can't wait for this.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 20, 2017, 12:17:33 PM
This will be great  :metal :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2017, 12:19:54 PM
I'm so glad The Great Unknown is included on the CD. Can't wait for this.

Agreed, would have been cool if they were able to get Tears of a Clown on there as well (although I think TGU was better live if I had to choose)
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 20, 2017, 12:28:43 PM
I guess they simply recorded this year's shows, hence Hallowed Be Thy Name missing in favor of the obscure, rarely played over the years Wrathchild.
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 20, 2017, 12:58:02 PM
They couldn't play HBTN on the second leg of this tour due to legal issues. I don't have the link, but many somebody else could expound on this a bit with the details.
 I still wonder why they aren't releasing a dvd/blu-ray of this. Not everyone can stream it.
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Post by: Cool Chris on September 20, 2017, 01:17:12 PM
That release looks intriguing, despite me having not purchased a live CD in ages. And why, oh why, is Wasted Years such a fan favorite?
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Post by: TAC on September 20, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
That's a great question.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 20, 2017, 01:23:05 PM
It's good, catchy, uplifting and live goes down very well. The band must have liked the reaction it got in the history tours.
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Post by: Mladen on September 20, 2017, 02:57:21 PM
It's energetic, melodically flawless and perfect in terms of conveying a certain emotion. It was one of the most touching songs I've ever heard in a live setting.

I'm looking forward to the new live album. And by that I mean the video footage.  :metal
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Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2017, 05:10:46 AM
That release looks intriguing, despite me having not purchased a live CD in ages. And why, oh why, is Wasted Years such a fan favorite?

Because it's an amazing song and it was incredible as the show closer.
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Post by: Stadler on September 21, 2017, 07:50:48 AM
That release looks intriguing, despite me having not purchased a live CD in ages. And why, oh why, is Wasted Years such a fan favorite?

Dude, it slayed when I saw them in Brooklyn.  Maybe  because it was the last song of the set, and last song of the tour, but it was really good.  People singing, Bruce stripping, it was awesome, and a nice sort of "lighter" moment to end things.   (Actually, the whole encore rocked; I couldn't believe how good "Blood Brothers" was live.)
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Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
I've always loved wasted years but just feel its gotten enough play over the last bunch of tours that I am over it now.  Of course the performance of it that second night in Brooklyn with Bruce striping was amazing though.
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Post by: TAC on September 22, 2017, 01:04:16 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-singer-bruce-dickinsons-what-does-this-button-do-finishing-the-book-video-streaming
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 22, 2017, 01:30:44 PM
And there's also an extract on Maiden's site:

https://ironmaiden.com/news/article/read-the-first-extract-from-what-does-this-button-do

Now we know the title ends off the book and it's about the 747 cockpit simulator  :D

And about the ending of that extract on Maiden's site... God, what a magnificent asshole Bruce has been to Rod in that occasion  :lol I long to read the book already!
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Post by: Mladen on September 23, 2017, 03:29:54 AM
Man, does that come off as overconfident or what?  :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 23, 2017, 03:31:47 AM
Well, he knew he was right, as history proved  ;)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 23, 2017, 04:54:14 AM
That's a book I definetely will look forward to reading.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 23, 2017, 07:59:51 AM
I knew that story from his unnoficial bio. Talk about someone who knows his strengths!!! I wonder if he did a SWOT analysis before talking to Rod!!!
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Post by: TAC on September 23, 2017, 08:21:32 AM
Can't wait to read it.
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Post by: TAC on September 23, 2017, 02:02:58 PM
Just reread the press release.

"Produced by Tony Newton and Iron Maiden founder member and bass player Steve Harris, the album is based on this year’s set list and is a faithful record of the epic show, including six songs from ‘The Book Of Souls’, the band's most recent studio album, along with many other classics and fan favourites."


Interesting. No Kevin Shirley? I had to check, but Shirley has done all of the Reunion Era's live albums. Scheduling issue, perhaps?
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Post by: Mladen on September 24, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
Very interesting. Do we know anything significant about Tony Newton?
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Post by: Mosh on September 24, 2017, 05:42:01 PM
From Shirley himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC1fSAuslzY

Tony Newton is Maiden's live sound engineer, so it made sense for him to work on the album. Kevin Shirley makes a hint about possible studio time in the clip. :caffeine:
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Post by: TAC on September 24, 2017, 05:58:59 PM
Great find Mosh!
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Post by: cramx3 on September 25, 2017, 12:28:45 PM
Oooo Bruce is doing a few book dates in the US, including one in NJ.  It's at 1pm so that's kind of tough, but if I could somehow make it work, that would be really cool. 
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Post by: goo-goo on September 25, 2017, 12:41:31 PM
Oooo Bruce is doing a few book dates in the US, including one in NJ.  It's at 1pm so that's kind of tough, but if I could somehow make it work, that would be really cool.

If you decide to go, would you able to get and snag a signed copy? Will gladly pay for the book and admission (and shipping it to Texas).
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 03, 2017, 01:50:50 AM
Bruce Book unboxing video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyE2kyOiBvY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyE2kyOiBvY&feature=youtu.be)

Awww look at the giddyness!  :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2017, 07:23:21 AM
Oooo Bruce is doing a few book dates in the US, including one in NJ.  It's at 1pm so that's kind of tough, but if I could somehow make it work, that would be really cool.

If you decide to go, would you able to get and snag a signed copy? Will gladly pay for the book and admission (and shipping it to Texas).

If I can get to one of the dates and snag some, then sure, I'd hook you up. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 03, 2017, 01:59:07 PM
Bruce Book unboxing video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyE2kyOiBvY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyE2kyOiBvY&feature=youtu.be)

Awww look at the giddyness!  :metal

Best unboxing ever.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 13, 2017, 01:24:48 PM
Pretty cool that they uploaded The History of Maiden 1-3 on their YT page:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDc5Px5f0OE&list=PLCfCU1Ok5NVvGGyHNNA0XitdY4hgjixxr

I wonder if that's in preparation for part 4 maybe?
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Post by: TAC on October 13, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
Hopefully!
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 13, 2017, 03:28:06 PM
Speaking of the future, looks like a summer 2018 tour in Europe is almost a given, and that the assumption that it has a "Legacy of the Beast" theme might be true. Furthermore, Kevin Shirley confirmed he has some studio time with Maiden ahead of him...

Best case scenario: in the winter Maiden record a new album, do in the summer another Gimme the Ed style tour (random classics and a new song) and then it's new album tour  :metal

At worst, we'll still get some live activity next year with a new set, Bruce is reported to have said multiple times at shows that last year was the final run for The Book of Souls!
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Post by: Mladen on October 14, 2017, 03:17:01 AM
Best case scenario: in the winter Maiden record a new album, do in the summer another Gimme the Ed style tour (random classics and a new song) and then it's new album tour  :metal
This, please.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 17, 2017, 02:37:07 PM
Iron Maiden's facebook page is currently live with Bruce Dickinson talking about the book.  Just happened to stumble on it, and so far, it's interesting to hear him speak and answering questions.

https://www.facebook.com/ironmaiden/ (https://www.facebook.com/ironmaiden/)
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 17, 2017, 02:41:48 PM
Thanks! didn't know it, I managed to watch the very end. Last question: "Can you scream for me Bruce?" and he did, Number of the Beast style  ;D :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on October 17, 2017, 02:47:53 PM
Thanks! didn't know it, I managed to watch the very end. Last question: "Can you scream for me Bruce?" and he did, Number of the Beast style  ;D :metal

Yea, that was awesome  :metal
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 17, 2017, 02:49:33 PM
I was watching it for a bit. Really good. Makes me want to get the book now.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 17, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
I'm tempted to watch it all, since the video is saved anyway.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 17, 2017, 03:05:36 PM
I'm tempted to watch it all, since the video is saved anyway.

Yea, I may go back and watch from the beginning, I only caught the last 15 minutes.  I definitely want to get his book.
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Post by: efx on October 17, 2017, 04:49:13 PM
That was so cool. I flew from Sweden to London to see this live and it was totally worth it. Got an autographed book as well and it was surreal seeing someone I have admired since the 80's this up close and personal.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on October 18, 2017, 02:30:19 AM
Working my way through the video. Very interesting so far. Bruce is definitely an engaging presenter.  :tup
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2017, 02:58:25 AM
Working my way through the video. Very interesting so far. Bruce is definitely an engaging presenter.  :tup

I watched just the beginning, probably I will watch it in bits and pieces until the end. The stream is 2h16'' but it started earlier so it's a little less than 2 hours of actual content. I've reached the moment when he shows the note he got for pissing in the headmaster's dinner, one of the things I remember knowing since my early days of Maiden knowledge  :lol
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Post by: Logain Ablar on October 18, 2017, 04:22:36 AM
Q & A session: "Would you rather fight off 100 duck-sized Eddies, or 1 Eddie-sized duck?"

 :rollin
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2017, 04:26:14 AM
Q & A session: "Would you rather fight off 100 duck-sized Eddies, or 1 Eddie-sized duck?"

 :rollin

Talk about fear of the duck  :D
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Post by: Logain Ablar on October 18, 2017, 04:30:14 AM
Q & A session: "Would you rather fight off 100 duck-sized Eddies, or 1 Eddie-sized duck?"

 :rollin

Talk about fear of the duck  :D

 :lol
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Post by: Stadler on October 18, 2017, 07:15:51 AM
Thanks! didn't know it, I managed to watch the very end. Last question: "Can you scream for me Bruce?" and he did, Number of the Beast style  ;D :metal

That's actually a pretty cool question, all things considered.   Though, when Bruce does it, it's not a question.  :) :) :) :)
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Post by: Zydar on October 20, 2017, 02:43:49 AM
The Iron Maidens Name Their 8 Favorite Iron Maiden Guitar Solos

https://www.musicradar.com/news/iron-maidens-greatest-guitar-solos-by-the-iron-maidens (https://www.musicradar.com/news/iron-maidens-greatest-guitar-solos-by-the-iron-maidens)

Some fine choices there.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on October 20, 2017, 02:46:47 AM
Nice to see Sea of Madness in that list. That's one of my favourite IM solos. Classic Adrian Smith.  :tup
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Post by: Mosh on October 20, 2017, 08:00:48 AM
Sea of Madness is one of my top picks for a rare track to bring back. I think Bruce would sound really good on it today, maybe even better than in 86.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 20, 2017, 08:02:20 AM
Glad to see Powerslave's there, but no Seventh Son of a Seventh Son? the final three music are eargasmic.
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Post by: Dream Team on October 20, 2017, 12:33:37 PM
Those chicks are awesome.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 22, 2017, 05:16:35 AM
Reading the book now. Very funny and insightful.  :metal
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 22, 2017, 05:52:36 AM
Saw a Twitter link, an interviewer asks Bruce for future plans, and he jokes saying "I can't tell you, I could but I'd have to kill you... can I tell you in December?"

That would be a good time to announce summer tour dates!  :metal
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Post by: Zydar on October 22, 2017, 07:14:55 AM
Reading the book now. Very funny and insightful.  :metal

Didn't know it had been released - I just placed an order for it.
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Post by: TAC on October 31, 2017, 09:28:45 AM
My Bruce book is here!!!!!!!!! :metal


EDIT: I'm 160 pages in, and I must say I pretty disappointed.
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Post by: TAC on October 31, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
I've now gone through another 50 pages. I want my money back.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 31, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
I've now gone through another 50 pages. I want my money back.

Why?
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Post by: TAC on October 31, 2017, 08:47:10 PM
I'm a victim of my own expectations I guess. This is NOT an Iron Maiden book. He glosses over critical points of the band's history. At NO point, and I'm up to the Skunkworks parts, does he give any insight into anything band related. It's just stream of consciousness ramblings. Maybe he should've used an outline as opposed to simply writing about his life chronologically.

He doesn't speak to his relationships to anyone in the band. Entire chunks of the band's history wiped away with merely a sentence or two.
I recently read an interview where it mentioned he doesn't include anything about his wife and kids. I mean, how can you write an autobiography and not include your family?

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Post by: Mosh on October 31, 2017, 11:51:04 PM
I just got my book (and the vinyl box!) in the mail. Sorry to hear you're not liking it TAC, but I think I'm going to enjoy it for all the reasons you dislike it. For one thing, I was hoping that this book would spend minimal time on Maiden. I've heard the Maiden stories and, as long as the band is still active*, there's only so much Bruce is going to say in a book about them. Besides, I wanted to learn more about his solo career and his outside endeavors. The promotion of this book led me to believe that this would give Maiden fans insight into how much more there is to Bruce than Maiden, which is kind of his thing anyway. Every time Bruce is on a major news network (CNN/BBC/etc) it's something to the effect of "you probably know him from Iron Maiden but did you know he is ALSO a pilot and entrepreneur?"

As for the family stuff, I'm probably in the minority here but the stuff in musician autobiographies about their upbringing and family life always bores me. I get the appeal, I really do, but it does nothing for me. So I don't mind that stuff being absent.

I did get the impression from skimming the thing that there's a lot of rambling though. We'll see how that goes. Frank Zappa's book is like that too but, unlike Bruce, he used a ghost writer so Bruce's book is likely worse in that aspect. He also wrote most of it by hand in a bar, which is cool, but I'm expecting something extremely disorganized. Not necessarily a bad thing though.

*The big problem with a lot of these rock bios is there's only so much you can say about the band while the band is still active. He probably doesn't want to give out more of a scoop on Maiden than the rest of the guys are comfortable with and he probably isn't going to candidly talk about his relationship with Steve as long as they're still bandmates. The band's management probably plays a part in that as well. It would've been nice for Bruce to wait until Maiden call it quits, but I get the feeling the cancer scare motivated him to get this out ASAP. He has hinted at another book though, so maybe we'll get something with more of a Maiden focus.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on November 01, 2017, 04:01:31 AM
I totally get where TAC is coming from, though. I totally expected a little more 'inside-poop' so to speak. You do get a good insight to the man, though.
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Post by: Zydar on November 01, 2017, 04:19:24 AM
I guess Mick Wall's 'Run To The Hills' is still the best Maiden related book then.
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Post by: El Barto on November 01, 2017, 10:35:04 AM
Setting aside the fact that I don't read, I did check out several excerpts from the book and really didn't care for his writing style at all. I really expected something a bit more formal, but as suggested it's more rambling than anything else. There are plenty of times that works great, but it depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Bruce seems interested in describing himself as something more serious than the singer of a metal band, but his prose doesn't lend itself to that.

When he records the audiobook I'll certainly check out some samples, though. I think his style might work much better in that format.
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Post by: TAC on November 01, 2017, 02:28:01 PM
  Bruce seems interested in describing himself as something more serious than the singer of a metal band, but his prose doesn't lend itself to that.

I was thinking the same exact thing.


As for the family stuff, I'm probably in the minority here but the stuff in musician autobiographies about their upbringing and family life always bores me. I get the appeal, I really do, but it does nothing for me. So I don't mind that stuff being absent.

Well, there's plenty of upbringing stuff. I usually skip those pages and then maybe go back to reread. But I am interested in him getting married. How did having kids affect his time and outlook, if at all, in Iron Maiden..that kind of thing.


I totally get where TAC is coming from, though. I totally expected a little more 'inside-poop' so to speak.

It's not even "inside-poop", it about his relationships with the band. the feelings about the albums/tours, etc... We've been told that he had considered leaving after the Powerslave tour. I was interested in what he was thinking at the time. He touches on not having songs on SiT, but it's a wicked gloss over.
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Post by: Stadler on November 01, 2017, 02:29:26 PM
Does he mention Nikki Sixx banging his first wife?  Wait! Don't tell me!
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Post by: TAC on November 01, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
Does he mention Nikki Sixx banging his first wife?  Wait! Don't tell me!

 :corn
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Post by: DoctorAction on November 01, 2017, 04:18:45 PM
Love Bruce but the book didn't rock my socks. There's so little personal insight. Very surface. He's not a great writer either, really. It's ok but that's about it.

I just started Robert Webb's book right afterwards and the difference is huge. Incredible writing.
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Post by: TAC on November 01, 2017, 04:40:00 PM
There's so little personal insight. Very surface.   

Yeah, that's the problem.

I'm familiar with the Iron Maiden story, but I was hoping for some insight from his point of view.


I'll finish it tonight, but this is more of a chore than a pleasure.

This was a total waste of $20.
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Post by: goo-goo on November 01, 2017, 09:50:53 PM
Haven't read the book but maybe he is planning another book once Maiden retires. Bruce Dickinson: The Maiden Years. The Maiden management camp certainly knows how to milk the fanbase. Not a shot at them, just an observation. They have pretty much made the Maiden brand very successful and profitable.
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Post by: SebastianPratesi on November 01, 2017, 10:40:28 PM
I just started Robert Webb's book right afterwards and the difference is huge. Incredible writing.
Hey, another 'Peep Show' fan here! ;) I love Robert's acting and way of speaking, so for the last couple of weeks, after I learnt about the book and watched some interviews with him promoting it, I've toyed with the idea of getting it.

What on-line store would you recommend me? Anyone which ships to Argentina would be great, thanks! :)
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Post by: DoctorAction on November 02, 2017, 10:12:11 AM
His writing is very good. I bought mine from Amazon for £5 delivered but I'm in the UK so...
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Post by: nobloodyname on November 02, 2017, 11:33:03 AM
Just finished listening to the audio book. Thought it was very entertaining from start to finish. Can't say I was overly interested in the fencing parts but I enjoyed listening to Bruce speak about flying (it's really encouraged me to think about learning to fly again) and his musical career.

As for the style of writing, I thought it was written in the same manner as he speaks. And since I listened to the audio book, as I said, it didn't strike me as remotely odd.

He was critical of some aspects of Iron Maiden, for those wishing to read a little dirt - the cover of Dance of Death and the general quality of the same album spring immediately to mind - but he was never going to shit in his own bed, was he?
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on November 02, 2017, 12:28:47 PM
shame to hear the negative comments about the book.  Last night i went to his talk and signing in LA and he was hilarious with some great stories.  especially when it came to the Q&A part and he treated us to a performance of the William Tell Overture played on his face  :lol
In the end even if the book isn't great, it was worth the price just to get to meet the man and have him sign the book, truly an awesome experience  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 02, 2017, 12:35:49 PM
Thats awesome you got to see him, and I agree it's kind of a bummer to hear the negative reviews of the book, but mine just arrived.  I'll bring it with me on my work trip next week when I'll have alone time for reading.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 02, 2017, 03:09:16 PM
Your negative comments are disappointing Tim.  I won't get around to getting this for a while but was hoping for something pretty special.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 02, 2017, 08:07:00 PM
Your negative comments are disappointing Tim.  I won't get around to getting this for a while but was hoping for something pretty special.

Yeah Kade, I'm sorry. It's probably just me. You'll probably love it! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on November 02, 2017, 09:37:23 PM
I've started it, I'm enjoying it so far but I can see where it would draw criticisms.

Definitely wouldn't say Bruce is a bad writer, but this is what a first draft looks like.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on November 03, 2017, 12:52:25 AM
Your negative comments are disappointing Tim.  I won't get around to getting this for a while but was hoping for something pretty special.

Yeah Kade, I'm sorry. It's probably just me. You'll probably love it! :lol

Why is everyone implying all the comments are negative? Didn't anyone read mine?! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SebastianPratesi on November 03, 2017, 11:26:30 AM
His writing is very good. I bought mine from Amazon for £5 delivered but I'm in the UK so...
Thanks! Might try getting it from Amazon. (I believe they are about to start shipping to my country)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 09:34:32 AM
I've started it, I'm enjoying it so far but I can see where it would draw criticisms.

Definitely wouldn't say Bruce is a bad writer, but this is what a first draft looks like.

I'm about 25% of the way in; I see where some of the criticisms are coming from but I respectfully think that some of them are pretty harsh.  This is Bruce.  It's cheeky, and some of the references/inferences are pretty oblique, but there's content in there, and there are messages to be inferred from the text.  This is not the Heroin Diaries.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2017, 09:43:08 AM
I've started it, I'm enjoying it so far but I can see where it would draw criticisms.

Definitely wouldn't say Bruce is a bad writer, but this is what a first draft looks like.

I'm about 25% of the way in; I see where some of the criticisms are coming from but I respectfully think that some of them are pretty harsh.  This is Bruce.  It's cheeky, and some of the references/inferences are pretty oblique, but there's content in there, and there are messages to be inferred from the text.  This is not the Heroin Diaries.

Yea I just started my reading yesterday while traveling and I am enjoying it so far.  I would say the writing isn't great, but it gets the point across just fine.  The story of getting kicked out of private school is pretty good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on November 06, 2017, 11:05:29 AM
Well I’ve gotten to the point where they recorded Number of the Beast and I’m loving it! The rambly style took some getting used to but there are some amazing insights and stories. As suspected, there’s nothing new in here about Maiden so far, so I hope he doesn’t spend too much time on them.

There are some interesting remarks though, such as him saying that he recorded vocal overdubs on 4 live tracks that Paul sang. We’ve all heard Remember Tomorrow, is there an entire Maiden Japan with Bruce on vocals somewhere? That would include Innocent Exile which was only played with Bruce at a few gigs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on November 06, 2017, 01:14:34 PM
There are some interesting remarks though, such as him saying that he recorded vocal overdubs on 4 live tracks that Paul sang. We’ve all heard Remember Tomorrow, is there an entire Maiden Japan with Bruce on vocals somewhere? That would include Innocent Exile which was only played with Bruce at a few gigs.

I'd absolutely love to hear that if that's the case. It's probably sitting in some vault gathering dust somewhere.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on November 06, 2017, 01:18:26 PM
I was screwing around on a site that had some old play station 1 roms on it, and I ran across a game that came out in the late 90's called PowerSlave. I read a description for it, and the game is based in Egypt, and you have to battle a resurected pharoa at one point. My jaw dropped. It sounded like copywrite infringement in the most blatant sense of its definition to me. Has anyone played this game, or know more about it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on November 06, 2017, 01:43:20 PM
I was screwing around on a site that had some old play station 1 roms on it, and I ran across a game that came out in the late 90's called PowerSlave. I read a description for it, and the game is based in Egypt, and you have to battle a resurected pharoa at one point. My jaw dropped. It sounded like copywrite infringement in the most blatant sense of its definition to me. Has anyone played this game, or know more about it?

I'd say that it may have been influenced by the Powerslave album's imagery, but there's no infringement.  I doubt Maiden own a trademark on the word (Powerslave) and they certainly don't have a trademark on ancient Egyptian themes.

The only way there could be any sort of infringement would be if the game used Maiden's music without licensing it from them.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2017, 03:24:57 PM
He just wrote about buying an amplifier cabinet that had speakers and refereed to them as "slaves, powerslaves, in fact."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 06, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
It's not as bad as that antivirus software, which used this as their jingle: "won't you come into my ROM, I wanna show you all malwares!!!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 07, 2017, 01:03:49 AM
It's not as bad as that antivirus software, which used this as their jingle: "won't you come into my ROM, I wanna show you all malwares!!!"

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on November 10, 2017, 06:30:14 AM
Maiden's new live concert film is streaming for free this weekend on YouTube from nSaturday night at 7pm GMT!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on November 10, 2017, 07:23:40 AM
Maiden's new live concert film is streaming for free this weekend on YouTube from nSaturday night at 7pm GMT!

Cool - I must set a reminder to watch that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRU2avjNU0Y

Watch it all!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2017, 12:43:25 PM
Got the youtube channel on my 70" screen! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2017, 01:05:03 PM
Bruce was AMAZING on this tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
What a treat to see them playing in Trieste's central square! Google it, Piazza Unità d'Italia - Trieste, it's beautiful, and directly on the sea. Luckily they played my hometown, Milan, but I would have wanted to go to Trieste just to see them in that square.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 11, 2017, 01:29:50 PM
Just in time for Blood Brothers.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2017, 01:31:15 PM
Just in time for Blood Brothers.  :tup

I noticed that if you click on the red line of the time, you can go back to whichever part of the stream you want. Did that for the intro, I missed it 'cause I was dining.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2017, 01:35:52 PM
Just in time for Blood Brothers.  :tup

Jannick's solo is  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on November 11, 2017, 01:55:40 PM
Enjoyed it but it’s another Steve Harris trademarked epilepsy inducing edit 😱
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
He wasn't listed as the editor. Not as bad as they've done, but I definitely did not enjoy the edit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2017, 03:29:34 PM
Did you watch until the very end? there's sorta of a "post credits Marvel scene" with Eddie not wanting to go back in the box after the show, then a clip of Bruce saying that this is the last chapter of the Book of Souls and it closes. Then there's a short animation which leaves the 13.11.17 date on screen.

Next monday we get tour dates!!!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2017, 03:52:26 PM
Yes, I saw both.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on November 11, 2017, 04:40:10 PM
Wasn't able to watch, but why the hell aren't they releasing this as a DVD if they have it filmed and edited? Would love that way more than just a live cd
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2017, 05:02:03 PM
Wasn't able to watch, but why the hell aren't they releasing this as a DVD if they have it filmed and edited? Would love that way more than just a live cd

I believe they are releasing a digital version for purchase.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 12, 2017, 05:14:54 AM
Wasn't able to watch, but why the hell aren't they releasing this as a DVD if they have it filmed and edited? Would love that way more than just a live cd

For those who didn't saw, it's still on Maiden's YouTube page:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRU2avjNU0Y&feature=share
Really AWESOME!!! Yes, there 's some fast editing, but the performances and audio quality are INCREDIBLE 🤘🤘🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 12, 2017, 06:04:52 AM
Well, on eternity... there's footage from different nights: look at Adrian' guitars. I think it's something a bit distracting and also take away a bit the the experience of watching a live performance. But, in terms of the overall quality of the video, it's a minor flaw.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 12, 2017, 06:27:12 AM
You noticed the footage is from different nights from Adrian's guitars? I noticed it from the crowd shots that are literally going from outdoors to indoors to a giant carousel wheel at Donington  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 12, 2017, 07:09:40 AM
You mean, this all happens on eternity... ?!  :o :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2017, 07:17:50 AM
I'm most likely not buying the digital download. I hate the different shows within the same song editing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 12, 2017, 09:10:08 AM
Me too, but, when they show the correct footage, it's excellent!
On flight 666, Maiden did it the right way, why they changed that?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2017, 09:16:28 AM
Been watching a bit here and there since I woke up, even made my gf watch it too  :lol  While I would pay for this on blu-ray, it seems clear why they went for a streaming route for video and only audio in physical form.  The audio seems solid and the performances are great, but it seems like the video footage isn't the best.  Just not the greatest shots, seems more like the footage you watch on the big screen at their show, not a professional crew filming the show like En Vivo.  Flight 666 had the crew fly with them for shooting each concert so that's why it was done much better.  While as a die hard, I wish they had filmed one show well and released that on blu-ray similar to En Vivo, I can't complain with a free video.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sycsa on November 12, 2017, 02:42:03 PM
Sounds amazing! To my ears, it's a lot better than The Book of Souls studio album. The rhythm guitars are fuller and less muddy, you can actually hear all three of them, the drums are way more punchy (on the studio album, both the kick and the ride cymbal are way too low). One of those rare instances where live>studio. Already bought the pre-order.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2017, 03:57:15 PM
Sounds amazing! To my ears, it's a lot better than The Book of Souls studio album. The rhythm guitars are fuller and less muddy, you can actually hear all three of them, the drums are way more punchy (on the studio album, both the kick and the ride cymbal are way too low). One of those rare instances where live>studio. Already bought the pre-order.

You can hear the keyboard loudly at some parts as well.  Definitely sounds really good and different than the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sycsa on November 12, 2017, 05:03:40 PM
Sounds amazing! To my ears, it's a lot better than The Book of Souls studio album. The rhythm guitars are fuller and less muddy, you can actually hear all three of them, the drums are way more punchy (on the studio album, both the kick and the ride cymbal are way too low). One of those rare instances where live>studio. Already bought the pre-order.

You can hear the keyboard loudly at some parts as well.  Definitely sounds really good and different than the album.
Yeah, gotta suck to have to play those backstsge, but they really enhance those parts. The keyboard line in the Red and the Black is absolutely awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2017, 02:50:18 AM
Maiden's website is down / very hard to access since an hour or so, and I'm reading on other pages how festivals are announcing concerts at 14:00.

The suspence is unbearable  :corn
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on November 13, 2017, 04:12:44 AM
Maiden's website is down / very hard to access since an hour or so, and I'm reading on other pages how festivals are announcing concerts at 14:00.

The suspence is unbearable  :corn

Are you sure it's an announcement about tour dates, and not something else? I could be wrong, and I don't know for sure, but it seems like the "13.11.17" tease could maybe be something more?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2017, 04:20:20 AM
The time is right to announce 2018 tourdates, furthermore on the Maidenfans forum someone who is acknowlegded as being an insider of the touring business simply replied "tour dates" when someone asked what the announcement was about.

If it's just a new beer I'll be underwhelmed  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 13, 2017, 06:12:05 AM
Yes they're coming to the biggest rock festival in Sweden this summer, will be my first festival in years!

More dates are announced!

Quote
Iron Maiden Announce Legacy Of The Beast European Tour 2018!

May
26     Saku Arena, Tallinn, ESTONIA *
28     Hartwall Arena, Helsinki, FINLAND *
 
June
01    Tele2 Arena, Stockholm, SWEDEN *
03    Dahls Arena, Trondheim Rocks, NORWAY
05    Royal Arena, Copenhagen, DENMARK *
07    Sweden Rock Festival, Solvesborg, SWEDEN
09    Rockavaria, Königsplatz, Munich, GERMANY
10    Expo Plaza, Hannover, GERMANY *
13    Waldbuhne, Berlin, GERMANY *
16    Firenze Rocks, ITALY
17    Novarock Festival, Nickelsdorf, AUSTRIA
20    Letnany Airport, Prague, CZECH REPUBLIC *
22    Graspop, Dessel, BELGIUM
24    Hellfest, Clisson, FRANCE
26    Geneva Arena, Geneva, SWITZERLAND *
28    Volt Festival, Sopron, HUNGARY
30    Messegelaende, Freiburg, GERMANY *
 
July
01    Gelredome, Arnhem, HOLLAND *
05    AccorsHotel Arena, Paris, FRANCE
09    San Siro Ippodromo, Milan, ITALY
10    Hallenstadion, Zurich, SWITZERLAND
13    Altice Arena, Lisbon, PORTUGAL
14    Wanda Metropolitano Stadium, Madrid, SPAIN
17    Piazza Dellà Unita D'Italia, Trieste, ITALY
20    Rockwave Festival, Athens, GREECE
22     Hills Of Rock, Plovdiv, BULGARIA
24    Zagreb arena, Zagreb, CROATIA
27    Tauron Arena, Krakow, POLAND
31    Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle, ENGLAND *
 
August
02    SSE Arena, Belfast, NORTHERN IRELAND *
04    Exhibition & Conference Centre, Aberdeen, SCOTLAND *
06    Manchester Arena, Manchester, ENGLAND *
07    Genting arena, Birmingham, ENGLAND *
10    O2 Arena, London, ENGLAND *
 
(No further countries will be added to this touring schedule).
 
Most shows go on-sale Friday 24th November. Pre-sales start Monday 20th November. We’ll keep you updated!
 
*Special Guest will be Killswitch Engage
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on November 13, 2017, 06:25:35 AM
Enjoyed it but it’s another Steve Harris trademarked epilepsy inducing edit 😱

I got half way through Eternity and couldn't believe how utterly appalling some of the edits were. Has he learned nothing over the years?

Also noticed - as did others - the number of times Adrian's guitar changed from a Les Paul to a strat to a Les Paul to a strat to a Les Paul to a strat to a Les Paul to a strat etc just during the half of Eternity I had the patience to sit through.

Amazing they've released the footage for free but good god, it still should have been subjected to at least a modicum of quality control.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2017, 06:27:41 AM
They play my hometown, one subway stop away from where I work  :hefdaddy :metal it sucks that it's a monday, I could go early to Florence since it's a saturday and it's well due that I visit the town once again, but I guess seeing them here where I live without the need to travel and sleep away from home it's a bonus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on November 13, 2017, 07:13:04 AM
Just read up that there is no Bluray/DVD release of the new live album, only digital video release. That's disappointing. Hope the CD is mixed well, not sure I'll get the book edition though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on November 13, 2017, 07:34:31 AM
August
02    SSE Arena, Belfast, NORTHERN IRELAND *

OK, well that's just made my day..  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2017, 07:38:42 AM
The only downside is that the tour will "extend into 2019"... that probably kills the hope for a Gimme the Ed style tour, with a summer of classics being only the prelude to another new album tour. We'll see, Kevin Shirley was reported to have said to have studio time ahead of him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 13, 2017, 01:35:52 PM
Well, fuck. There might be some travel expenses in my future come June.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2017, 02:44:10 PM
Well, fuck. There might be some travel expenses in my future come June.

I was thinking the same when i saw this, but was looking more at that last UK date as a potential travel show... but if more dates to be announced in 2019, then I think IM may bring the show to the US and I'll just have to wait.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 13, 2017, 03:51:32 PM
Well, fuck. There might be some travel expenses in my future come June.

I was thinking the same when i saw this, but was looking more at that last UK date as a potential travel show... but if more dates to be announced in 2019, then I think IM may bring the show to the US and I'll just have to wait.
UK isn't really one of my desired destinations, and I'd definitely rather go in June than August. I was knocking around a trip in May, and depending on who else announces a Spring tour it might work out that I wait until June. Moreover, most of the countries I was knocking around visiting are well represented there, so I'd have a great deal of flexibility to catch a couple. My concern is working out solo dates rather than festivals, which no longer interest me much. Also, some of the venues look really cool.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2017, 05:24:35 PM
Yea, as much as I'd love to attend say Wacken, a festival gig is just a lot, I'd rather find a nice arena to see them too.  I figured seeing them in their home might be cool though.  I am very unlikely to go to any of them though.  Hoping the tour makes its way to the US next year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 14, 2017, 06:55:16 AM
I'm not sure why exactly, but I'd love to see a show in Germany.   Any band.   I was in Munich back in '98, '99 and Genesis was playing with Ray, and I didn't go and am still kicking myself on that one.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 14, 2017, 07:02:12 AM
I'm not sure why exactly, but I'd love to see a show in Germany.   Any band.   I was in Munich back in '98, '99 and Genesis was playing with Ray, and I didn't go and am still kicking myself on that one.

I'd be kicking myself if I went to that show...


:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on November 14, 2017, 07:04:56 AM
Just woke up from a dream where I sang for Iron Maiden for reasons either I didn't know at the time or don't remember after waking up. The worst part is that the set list was a bunch of lesser known songs that I, in realty, don't know the lyrics to, so in the dream I had to go through the lyrics in the CD booklet prior to the show, and even wanted a teleprompter until I realized the fans wouldn't have appreciated that.

And no back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on November 14, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
Just woke up from a dream where I sang for Iron Maiden for reasons either I didn't know at the time or don't remember after waking up. The worst part is that the set list was a bunch of lesser known songs that I, in realty, don't know the lyrics to, so in the dream I had to go through the lyrics in the CD booklet prior to the show, and even wanted a teleprompter until I realized the fans wouldn't have appreciated that.

And no back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on November 14, 2017, 08:03:51 AM
I'm slighty underwhelmed by the news. The Legacy of the beast tour looks like a cheap excuse to pull off another 80s heavy set, which rules out the reunion focused setlist I was keeping my fingers crossed for. No new album in sight neither. I'll make sure I attend one of the dates, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on November 14, 2017, 08:07:25 AM
Yea, as much as I'd love to attend say Wacken, a festival gig is just a lot, I'd rather find a nice arena to see them too.  I figured seeing them in their home might be cool though.  I am very unlikely to go to any of them though.  Hoping the tour makes its way to the US next year.

As much as I love watching videos from festival shows, the idea of actually going to one doesn't appeal to me either.  HOWEVER, I have to think that seeing Maiden in a crowd that huge would be the experience of a lifetime.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 14, 2017, 08:24:14 AM
I'm not sure why exactly, but I'd love to see a show in Germany.   Any band.   I was in Munich back in '98, '99 and Genesis was playing with Ray, and I didn't go and am still kicking myself on that one.
I saw Metallica in Hamburg and the crowd was honestly pretty underwhelming. I was expecting crazy shit and they were all really quiet and well behaved. Had I been on the floor I'd have been at the barricade by the second song, and they'd have all thought me a barbarian. They were friendly as hell, though, and it's a damned civilized place to see a show. I love any venue that'll sell you a walking beer after the show ends.

Yea, as much as I'd love to attend say Wacken, a festival gig is just a lot, I'd rather find a nice arena to see them too.  I figured seeing them in their home might be cool though.  I am very unlikely to go to any of them though.  Hoping the tour makes its way to the US next year.

As much as I love watching videos from festival shows, the idea of actually going to one doesn't appeal to me either.  HOWEVER, I have to think that seeing Maiden in a crowd that huge would be the experience of a lifetime.
I've got my eye on the Prague show which appears to be at an airport. Looks to accommodate 80k, but without all the hassle of being a 3 day festival out in the middle of nowhere. Seeing something like WOA looks like far more work than fun. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 14, 2017, 08:25:46 AM
I've been to Wacken twice and I can only imagine what it's like to see the best heavy metal band in the capital of heavy metal. It's the equivalent of the Mecca for muslims.

I've seen Maiden at other large festivals however, I would have enjoyed it more if I was 5 cm taller  :lol I'm of average height so everyone is either tall as me, or taller than me. I've seen more of Maiden England through my camera held up than with my own eyes damn!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 14, 2017, 10:55:10 AM
Yea, as much as I'd love to attend say Wacken, a festival gig is just a lot, I'd rather find a nice arena to see them too.  I figured seeing them in their home might be cool though.  I am very unlikely to go to any of them though.  Hoping the tour makes its way to the US next year.

As much as I love watching videos from festival shows, the idea of actually going to one doesn't appeal to me either.  HOWEVER, I have to think that seeing Maiden in a crowd that huge would be the experience of a lifetime.
I've got my eye on the Prague show which appears to be at an airport. Looks to accommodate 80k, but without all the hassle of being a 3 day festival out in the middle of nowhere. Seeing something like WOA looks like far more work than fun.

Yea, WOA is really big and long festival, but I think it could be something worth seeing once as a huge metal fan, also that festival being so big you are likely to see many bands you like compared to the smaller festivals.  I think they have a campgrounds where you can just rent out an RV or something for the weekend and that would be the route I'd need to go.  I don't think I can do my own camping and be happy for a weekend  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on November 14, 2017, 08:39:24 PM
Yea, as much as I'd love to attend say Wacken, a festival gig is just a lot, I'd rather find a nice arena to see them too.  I figured seeing them in their home might be cool though.  I am very unlikely to go to any of them though.  Hoping the tour makes its way to the US next year.
I saw them headline Wacken in 2016 and it was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.  even having seen them do the same show in new york  earlier that year, being 10 people back from the stage in a sea of 90 thousand metalheads was an incredible experience  :metal
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 15, 2017, 01:14:45 AM
My record at Wacken was fourth row, when Rage (german heavy metal band) played with an orchestra. It was beyond awesome. Standing so close for the mighty Maiden would be even more magical  :metal

Hell, I'd probably be crushed, but I'd love to see *any* Maiden show from the front row. I can only imagine what it's like to be right there with nothing (except a security guy) between you and Steve Harris looking at you in the eye while you're both singing along  :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2017, 03:21:21 PM
I've seen IM up close many times, but it's only for a few hours.  I can take that.  A few days of being so closely surrounded by people and living in camp sites is more of what makes a festival atmosphere at least sound less fun.  Then again, I haven't experienced it so I'm only going on what I think it would be like.  I'd imagine if I had a big group of friends, it would be fun, but I can't even gather more than 1 friend to attend a local concert so that's just not possible with my circle of friends.
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 15, 2017, 03:32:31 PM
The two times I attended Wacken it was as part of a camp organized on the Blind Guardian forum. That's what made it worthwhile, otherwise being alone on such a massive festival indeed would suck. Having people you know to spend the night with and going together to concerts makes all the difference.
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Post by: El Barto on November 15, 2017, 03:55:33 PM
Part of my objection is that I wouldn't want to spend 3 days of my European vacation stuffed into a big festival. I'd rather spend 3 different nights catching good shows with some great stuff in between. Besides, I've kind of been there/done that with these sorts of things. No longer my bag.

However, I've been checking some of them out to see who's there and it looks like Maiden, Priest, Ozzy, GnR, and A7X are your main acts. This means plenty of them, and others, will be doing shows around there in June, on top of the festivals. Makes arranging a vacation easier when you get the added flexibility of more interesting shows. I suspect Saxon will be playing around Europe come festival season, and seeing them over there would make me very happy. APC and Megadeth are also hitting the festivals.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2017, 05:02:52 PM
Yea there's definitely nice list of headlining acts touring Europe next summer.  Looks pretty solid. 
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Post by: wolfking on November 15, 2017, 05:22:18 PM
Just going slightly off topic, looking at the prices for the live CD.  Over here in Oz, the double jewel case cd is $20, and the hardcover version is $50.  I can't remember the difference between the two versions of TBOS album, I think it might have been only $10-$15, but a $30 increase just for the packaging is crazy.
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2017, 06:18:42 PM
Just chiming in to say that The Live Chapter is a great live album.

The Red And The Black  :metal

And even though I've heard The Trooper a million times this version is awesome.

Powerslave fit so well in this set.
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Post by: Stadler on November 17, 2017, 06:34:18 PM
Other than Noel Gallagher, I'm not sure I'm awaiting any band live as much as I am seeing Maiden again.  I was really blown away by the show in Brooklyn.  Not that it was the best show ever, but just watching guys that are that good, delivering that kind of energy almost 40 years into their career...   I know that any show with them is money well spent.   
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2017, 06:46:23 PM
This truly was an amazing show with an excellent setlist.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2017, 09:52:46 PM
Their amazingness and their aging are what make me really anxious to see them again.  I saw DT last night with my best friend and concert buddy (was at IM in Brooklyn with Stadler and Axeman with my buddy too) and we were reminiscing of our awesome concert experiences with IM... being up close so many times, winning first to the barrier, winning heaven can wait, seeing the power go out during powerslave, Bruce stripping during Wasted Years, being yelled at to sit down during AMOLAD... Seeing them again is very high on my list.  :metal
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Post by: PowerSlave on November 18, 2017, 12:51:41 AM
being yelled at to sit down during AMOLAD... Seeing them again is very high on my list.  :metal

Someone yelled at you to sit at an IM show? That's crazy.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2017, 07:43:24 AM
Yea, I refused to sit but my friend did and it still bothers him to this day, so much so when during a similar situation the other night at DT, he stood the whole 3 hours (as did i) while many people were cursing at us to sit  :lol
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Post by: PowerSlave on November 18, 2017, 08:30:07 PM
The only times that I haven't stood up for a concert was when I seen Yes on tour for Talk (it was just that kind of atmosphere), and when I seen DT on tour for Train of Thought. In that situation we were in a seated balcony section, and standing wouldn't have made sense.

You guys had every right to be standing at those shows. If people had a problem with it then they shouldn't have been there in the first place.
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Post by: Zydar on November 22, 2017, 04:59:06 AM
A review of the new live album.

https://www.allmusic.com/album/the-book-of-souls-live-chapter-mw0003111938
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 22, 2017, 08:23:12 AM
Gotta agree with that review - it's a great live album (of course), but it's far from an essential one.
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 22, 2017, 08:31:31 AM
Gotta agree with that review - it's a great live album (of course), but it's far from an essential one.

Well, depending on how you see it, by now every live album for every tour is both essential and completely useless.

In this day and age you can find "live albums" on YouTube. I miss the days when live albums were landmark achievements, the crowning of a string of successful albums and popularity, and therefore the live album was a statement, something that "only grown up men" could do so to speak. By now the importance of live albums has strongly diminuished.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 22, 2017, 08:34:34 AM
I consider myself a hardcore IM fan and I have not bought this CD.  I will get it eventually, but I feel like I only just saw the show recently still and don't really have the desire to listen to it at this moment.  I think it's the first time since I've been a fan I didn't buy an IM CD on release.
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Post by: El Barto on November 22, 2017, 08:47:33 AM
Yea, I refused to sit but my friend did and it still bothers him to this day, so much so when during a similar situation the other night at DT, he stood the whole 3 hours (as did i) while many people were cursing at us to sit  :lol
Personally, I'm a longtime defender of people's right to stand at a show, even if they annoy the shit out of me. If the people in front of me are standing I stand. If they're sitting I usually sit. I see no reason to be the one to make a thousand people behind me stand if not necessary to see the show. Simply a matter of courtesy. Just like I don't see the need to tell some guy to sit down and not see the show because the person in front of him is blocking his view. If he has to stand then I have to stand.

Folk up North are really weird about that. Woman behind me tells me to sit down when there are four rows of people standing in front of me. "You go start with row A and get all of them to sit down and then you won't have to tell me, dumbass." Struck me as a bunch of people strongly asserting their right to be lazy fucks.

And most of these people don't even remember when we all stood on our seats to watch a show.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 22, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Yea, people around here are really lazy and want to just sit back and relax during a concert.  Whatever floats your boat but don't force me to enjoy the show the same way.  I would have rather just sat than be cursed at during the DT show last week, but my friend was refusing and instead of letting him stand alone, I did it with him.  The people directly behind us were fine with it, it was the people behind them that didn't like it.  I did feel bad a bit, but at the end of the day, after the first song was over, no one complained anymore.  And yes, it was literally during the first song people were asking us to sit.  I figured they would wait until the second song at least which is a bit slower tempo.
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Post by: Grappler on November 22, 2017, 08:56:12 AM
I bought it since I love The Book of Souls and wanted to have live versions of those songs.  I also did not see the tour, sadly, so it's nice to have something from it. 

I can't stand that Maiden price their live albums at $13-$15 (even the digital downloads are over $13).  This one was $11.49, which was a bit better.  I'd buy them all (I'm missing Death on the Road and En Vivo from new album tours) if they were cheaper.
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Post by: Nel on November 22, 2017, 04:09:48 PM
I bought the Walmart version for that cheapo little Eddie figure.  :lol
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Post by: wolfking on November 22, 2017, 04:41:57 PM
I picked it up on the weekend but yet to listen to it.  It's far from essential, but it's Maiden.
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Post by: TAC on November 22, 2017, 05:02:00 PM
It's essential. This is a great live album. They picked a rough performance by Bruce for The Great Unknown, but this album is awesome.
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Post by: TAC on November 22, 2017, 05:08:06 PM
Got myself some Trooper Hallowed!!!! Chilling for tonight.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on November 23, 2017, 01:43:40 AM
Is it me or does The Trooper start up slow and Bruce speeds it up via his vocals? 
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Post by: TAC on November 23, 2017, 06:21:00 AM
Lots of temp changes during the entire album. I think that's why I like it so much. The tunes are living and breathing.
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Post by: wolfking on November 24, 2017, 05:03:04 AM
Almost through the first disc.  First thing I notice is that it's very raw and it's interesting so far on some of the picks.  Some sloppy moments but it really adds to the live feel of this record. 

Is it me or does The Trooper start up slow and Bruce speeds it up via his vocals? 

I didn't think that one was that bad, there was a better one earlier, maybe Wrathchild where it changes a bit.  But as Tim said it does add to the rawness of the record.

Another one was TRATB.  One of the verses is just not right.  Everything about this one verse is really off and Bruce I feel on this one is not that great.  I was thinking why they chose this version and then the instrumental section was wickedly performed.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on November 24, 2017, 05:08:03 AM
Thought so, just felt like checking if someone else noticed it. It a nice little live package.
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Post by: Stadler on November 27, 2017, 08:11:57 AM
Lots of temp changes during the entire album. I think that's why I like it so much. The tunes are living and breathing.

I LOVE that.  I think that brings a terrific energy to the music. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 27, 2017, 09:26:35 AM
Bought my ticket for the Milan show  :metal 20 years after the first one, it's gonna be concert #13 for me!
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Post by: TAC on December 08, 2017, 08:30:28 PM
https://bravewords.com/reviews/iron-maiden-the-book-of-souls-live-chapter

IRON MAIDEN - The Book Of Souls: Live Chapter
December 8, 2017, 4 hours ago
(BMG)
Mark Gromen
Rating: 7.5
review heavy metal iron maiden


 
Twin disc compilation of live performances from last year's world tour. In total, recreates the setlist at each concert stop. Since Steve Harris had literally hundreds of shows to choose from, the performances are impeccable. “Children Of The Damned”, from Montreal, is the lone North American inclusion, the rest being big (Wacken) and small (just over 1,100 capacity at Ryōgoku Kokugikan, in Tokyo) stops around the globe. Inside, in addition to a letter from manager Rod Smallwood and a map of their journey, a collage of photos/backstage passes adorns an action shot of each member. However, this really is a celebration of Bruce Dickinson's triumph over throat cancer, a situation that could have easily derailed the singer's career, as well as Maiden itself.
Guess the “complaint” was that this tour was not the definitive set, but rather a promo for Book Of Souls, with no less than a half dozen selections from said disc (at the expense of the vintage catalog) comprising half the concert, in terms of time. The band were also in the midst of yet another lawsuit over the conspicuously absent “Hallowed Be Thy Name”. That said, wouldn't mind hearing a couple of Soul-ful tracks, moving forward, including the urgency of “Speed Of Light”, married to similarly rambunctious “Wratchchild” on this tracklisting. Noticed at the time, and repeated here, the show alternates between a pair of newbies, then two oldies, until the encore, which paradoxically includes “Blood Brothers”, never a definitive Maiden track, but I assume (given the significance of Bruce's return), it means more to the band than ever (also from their reunion Brave New World CD, Dickinson's first return to the fold).
The singer speaks French to the Montreal audience, who respond in kind, adding their collective voice to the chorus. “The Red And The Black” (not the ‘70s Blue Oyster Cult gem) is an extended guitar jam, with plenty of “whoa whoa” augmentation from the Japanese crowd. At 13:17 it's the live album's lengthiest option and actually a few seconds shorter than its studio counterpart. “The Trooper” and “Powerslave”, back-to-back, closes the initial disc in fine form, although all the visual imagery of the concert (changing backdrops, digital animation, Eddie, etc) are lost. The trio of material that begins the second disc (“The Great Unknown” and “The Book Of Souls”, in particular, alongside “Fear Of The Dark”) really drags. Opening with the second “Scream for me...” heard throughout, their lively signature track corrects things, but only after 25 minutes has elapsed. The Argentine crowd singing the guitar harmonies, as well as the entirety of the lyrics! Wacken crowd sounds surprised to hear the booming voiceover to introduce “The Number Of The Beast”, but the huge throng quickly throws their vocal weight behind it. Not before another “Scream for me...”, “Wasted Years” sends everyone home, if not (completely) happy) at least on a high note.
So if history is any indication, the next Iron Maiden tour should be another “greatest hits” resurrection. Hope so.




What a pussy!
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 22, 2017, 03:43:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RwCDbRTNeI

20 minutes interview with Bruce about some experiences with Maiden, as mentioned in the book!

He recalls among other things joining the band and what a fun experience was recording The Number of the Beast, the time he thought about quitting music, how he tries to get more (as personal experience) out of a long line of shows than just "Whee, more money", and the Rock in Rio experiences, both in 1985 and 2001.

Most telling is how he talks about Fear of the Dark - he doesn't really says it, but he implies he's fed up with the song, and that playing the same song too much and too often can make it very difficult to find something to make it ring. He says something across the lines of "Maybe next tour I have to sing it seriously", 'cause by the song he's already thinking of the encore.

Personally I'm in his same boat - I look forward to the song only to hear whatever variation of the city / nation / just "you!" he comes up with whenever he lets the audience sing at the end of the slow part, then it's just looking forward to Iron Maiden to see Eddie. Why oh why they didn't drop the song for the history tours, what possessed them to think "Ok, we're giving the fans the time of their lives bringing back the Powerslave and Seventh Son stage set and epic tracks, but they're gonna be so pissed if we don't sneak Fear of the Dark back in"???
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Post by: TAC on December 22, 2017, 04:54:24 PM
Most telling is how he talks about Fear of the Dark - he doesn't really says it, but he implies he's fed up with the song, and that playing the same song too much and too often can make it very difficult to find something to make it ring. He says something across the lines of "Maybe next tour I have to sing it seriously", 'cause by the song he's already thinking of the encore.

Yeah, that was interesting.

As for the book, I still haven't finished it. I actually lost interest. :(
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Post by: Mladen on December 23, 2017, 09:14:56 AM
Fear of the dark needs to go.
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Post by: Stadler on December 23, 2017, 03:26:03 PM
That book was excellent, but it was very much "Bruce" in that it was very read between the lines.  He's a smart, sly fucker, he, and that comes through in the book.

As for the setlists; I do NOT get the criticism for Maiden.   Of virtually any band you can name, they do the mix better than you can ask for.   They have tour legs where you can hear the new material - if you're tired of the same old hits - and they have tour legs where you can hear the hits - if you're not into the new one.    How can you ask for more than that?   And with the interwebs, there are no surprises; they announce what the tour is like and you can get the setlists.   So it's on you if you're "disappointed".  I would blow Paul Stanley if it meant that Kiss did the same thing:  one tour leg is the "Originals".  One tour leg is the Vinnie/Eric years.  One tour leg is the Bruce years.  One tour leg is the new stuff (I actually like the two new albums very much, and would LOVE to see some of those songs live).   
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Post by: TAC on December 23, 2017, 04:13:44 PM
That book was excellent, but it was very much "Bruce" in that it was very read between the lines.  He's a smart, sly fucker, he, and that comes through in the book.

I don't know. He comes across as very proud of himself, every time he tries to make a joke.

I would blow Paul Stanley if it meant that Kiss did the same thing:   

Who you kidding... ;D
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Post by: PowerSlave on December 23, 2017, 05:05:06 PM
He'd just blow Gene for being Gene. For Paul it would take a setlist change!!!

Stads does make a good point about them mixing it up from tour to tour. However, some songs have worn out their welcome a little bit. Why not mix it up just a little bit more? I'd consider selling my ass at the local truck stop to see them do Remember Tomorrow and To Tame a Land.  :biggrin:
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Post by: TAC on December 23, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
Happy Birthday Dave Murray!!! 61!
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Post by: Mosh on December 23, 2017, 07:38:07 PM
I agree with Stadler for the most part, although I think other bands do a better job at creating well balanced setlists (Dream Theater and Rush immediately come to mind). I think part of the problem is that the way they advertise their tours makes it obvious what the deep cuts will be. Rime of the Ancient Mariner would normally be a huge surprise, but the surprise is dampened by the fact that the tour is advertised as Powerslave revisited. People even complained when Infinite Dreams wasn't present in the Maiden England set, even though there was no guarantee that they were going to play it. With each tour having a specific theme, there is an expectation that certain songs will be played. A "normal" tour wouldn't really be that way.

The promotion for the upcoming tour is a bit more ambiguous, although it seems fairly certain at this point that the big surprises will be For the Greater Good of God and Flight of Icarus. While fans are starting to expect those two cuts, I think they'll still have a slightly greater impact than usual just because the tour isn't obviously focused on a specific era. The extra emphasis on Piece of Mind and Seventh Son in the promotion makes me think we'll finally see Infinite Dreams and either Still Life or To Tame a Land.

But yea, the setlists have a pretty decent balance. Also a band at this stage in their career dedicating almost half the setlist to the new album is unheard of. I thought The Book of Souls was one of their best setlists in a long time. I also enjoy the way they alternate between nostalgia tours and tours focused on recent material.  On Fear of the Dark, it should be retired. The band is obviously on autopilot for that, Number of the Beast, and Iron Maiden. Bruce isn't the only one who spaces out during that portion of the show.

One thing I will say about Kiss is that when they do play deep cuts, they generally dig deeper than Maiden. Granted they have a larger catalog and their songs aren't as technically difficult (vocals notwithstanding), but they've actually gone back and played stuff that has never been performed live before or was never expected to be played live again. Although a lot of the deep cuts tend to be saved for the cruises, but at least you're guaranteed to get some half decent footage if you don't attend.

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Post by: TAC on December 23, 2017, 07:51:58 PM
Regarding KISS, the only place you'll see a deep cut is the Kruise. I don't think I've seen one setlist of a proper tour where I thought, oh shit, I can't believe they played that! In fact, I find KISS' setlists extremely lame.

Count me as totally miffed that Infinite Dreams was not played on the Maiden England tour. That just didn't make sense.

My Maiden setlist complaint is that it doesn't seem like things are very thought out, which flies in the face of what we are led to believe. For example, why was Moonchild played on the SBiT tour if they knew there would be a Maiden England tour. Wouldn't it make more sense to play something else from Somewhere In Time?? Like the title track??
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Post by: Mosh on December 23, 2017, 08:22:09 PM
Regarding KISS, the only place you'll see a deep cut is the Kruise. I don't think I've seen one setlist of a proper tour where I thought, oh shit, I can't believe they played that! In fact, I find KISS' setlists extremely lame.
What about Flaming Youth a couple years ago? Otherwise yea, the proper tours have really boring setlists for the most part. But the Kruises do at least create an opportunity for those songs to be played. I wouldn't mind seeing Maiden put on one off events for hardcore fans to play rarities.

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My Maiden setlist complaint is that it doesn't seem like things are very thought out, which flies in the face of what we are led to believe. For example, why was Moonchild played on the SBiT tour if they knew there would be a Maiden England tour. Wouldn't it make more sense to play something else from Somewhere In Time?? Like the title track??
That one I'll agree on, Moonchild was a bizarre choice. However, I kinda suspect a Somewhere In Time song was rehearsed but it didn't come together. I assume Infinite Dreams was excluded for similar reasons. It does seem like Maiden don't rehearse as much as they could, which leads to a lot of "safe" setlist choices.

I just think Maiden setlists are better than they often get credit for. The only time I was genuinely underwhelmed by a setlist was TFF 2011, but I got to see the 2010 leg so it wasn't a big deal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 24, 2017, 03:07:17 AM
I addressed the Fear of the Dark thing because Bruce mentioned it in the interview, but more generally I agree with Stadler, with the rotating tours we get the best of the two worlds. Could be better? yes (Deeper cuts, history tours having more "original" material and obviously not Fear of the Dark). Could be worse? absolutely yes.

Take The Book of Souls' setlist for example. 6 new songs, a relatively rare track (Children), the title track of an album that comes back out of his proper and historical tour (Powerslave), the show not ending with the usual Running / Hills / Sanctuary... that was very bold.

About the Somewhere Back in Time tour - I've read that probably they didn't foresee the huge success of the tour, and that maybe it wasn't so clear at the time (or profitable, to be cynic) that a Maiden England tour would be both requested and successful, and so "just in case" they snuck in the SIT and Seventh Son songs. At least, we got to hear Moonchild played entirely live, intro included, first time it ever happened (and ever will), but three songs out of Seventh Son was overkill.

And Fear of the Dark itself can stay - we've all head it a gazillion times, sure, but it's an absolutely monster of a live song, it's just that they lost a golden opportunity to make the fans miss it and want it more by not retiring it for the history tours. As said earlier, I dare anyone to walk away from having seen THE GODDAMN WORLD SLAVERY TOUR, an historical tour brought back for a younger generation that never got to see the show, the songs and the monumental stage set, by saying "Meh, it's a pity we didn't hear Fear of the Dark".
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 24, 2017, 05:34:05 AM
Mosh, I think they rehearsed Deja Vu for the Somewhere Back in Time Tour, but ended up not playing it...such a shame!
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Post by: cramx3 on December 24, 2017, 07:31:39 AM
I've got no issue with FotD being in the setlist.  It's one of their best live songs.  Sure, I'd love another song, but unless you are guaranteeing me it will be a deeper cut replacing it, I'm not sure any of the regular rotation classic songs would be better IMO.  I do agree that it should have been cut for the history tours though.  Had no place in those setlists and other classics would have fit and worked better for those shows.  Plus, like MirrorMask said, I think fans would  have then enjoyed it more on the other tours and maybe the band not felt so burnt out playing it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 24, 2017, 07:56:30 AM
I've got no issue with FotD being in the setlist.  It's one of their best live songs.  Sure, I'd love another song, but unless you are guaranteeing me it will be a deeper cut replacing it, I'm not sure any of the regular rotation classic songs would be better IMO.

Right, like replacing Hallowed with Wrathchild.
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Post by: Stadler on December 24, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
At least with Kiss's deeper cuts, you get the sense that the band has at least a tenuous grasp of what the fans want.  The fans CLAMOR for that shit like "Flaming Youth" and "Goin' Blind" and for the most part, Kiss delivers on that.   

The chances of hearing "Prodigal Son" or "To Tame a Land" are probably less than the chances of me ACTUALLY blowing Paul Stanley, TAC's opinion notwithstanding.   :)   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 24, 2017, 11:01:43 AM
I continually check KISS' setlists on Dime hoping to be surprised. I see that they'll rotate an oddball like War Machine here and there, but they generally play too much of the same thing.

Which is my major problem right now with Alice Cooper and UFO. I get that there are 4  or 5 songs played at every show, but it's the same secondary tracks that keep getting recycled.
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Post by: Mosh on December 24, 2017, 11:59:06 AM
About the Somewhere Back in Time tour - I've read that probably they didn't foresee the huge success of the tour, and that maybe it wasn't so clear at the time (or profitable, to be cynic) that a Maiden England tour would be both requested and successful, and so "just in case" they snuck in the SIT and Seventh Son songs. At least, we got to hear Moonchild played entirely live, intro included, first time it ever happened (and ever will), but three songs out of Seventh Son was overkill.
I've read this before and I have a hard time buying it. There is no question that an 80s focused tour like that would be a huge success. Plus with the airplane, documentary crew, and all the other surrounding promotion they had to know it would be successful. Maybe they didn't imagine it being quite as successful as it was, but I can't see there being doubt of another 80s themed tour in the future.

We will get into this more in the discography thread, but I found the SBIT setlist fairly disappointing coming off of The Early Days. Again, maybe it was naivete on my part, but I always assumed a Seventh Son themed tour would follow which made the presence of those Seventh Son tracks fairly underwhelming. Moonchild and Rime were also the only songs that hadn't yet been performed by the lineup, compared to The Early Days tour which featured 6 songs that hadn't been performed by the lineup. The 2009 setlist was slightly better though.

Mosh, I think they rehearsed Deja Vu for the Somewhere Back in Time Tour, but ended up not playing it...such a shame!
I've read this rumor before too and I'm pretty sure it's false. It originated on the old official Maiden forum by someone who claimed to be close to the band. It doesn't really make sense when you think about it logically. If they wanted to play something from Somewhere In Time, there are three other songs to choose from that hadn't been played since the 80s, not to mention trying out Stranger In a Strange Land again. And if they really wanted to try out a song that was never played live, it only makes sense that they'd attempt Alexander the Great. I can't imagine Deja Vu ever being part of the discussion.


At least with Kiss's deeper cuts, you get the sense that the band has at least a tenuous grasp of what the fans want.  The fans CLAMOR for that shit like "Flaming Youth" and "Goin' Blind" and for the most part, Kiss delivers on that.   

The chances of hearing "Prodigal Son" or "To Tame a Land" are probably less than the chances of me ACTUALLY blowing Paul Stanley, TAC's opinion notwithstanding.   :)   
Yea it's a bit of a double edged sword. Kiss doesn't pull out a lot of deep cuts, but when they do it's usually something the fans have been vocal about wanting to hear live. Maiden gives more of their overall discography attention, but they don't go for the ultra deep cuts. Otherwise we would've heard Alexander the Great by now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 24, 2017, 12:11:41 PM
Which is my major problem right now with Alice Cooper and UFO. I get that there are 4  or 5 songs played at every show, but it's the same secondary tracks that keep getting recycled.

Alice Cooper for me goes kinda deep. This tour he brought back Pain (from an album no one remembers about) and This World Needs Guts, a song I didn't even remember and I had to go back and check on which album it was.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 24, 2017, 12:16:11 PM
Which is my major problem right now with Alice Cooper and UFO. I get that there are 4  or 5 songs played at every show, but it's the same secondary tracks that keep getting recycled.

Alice Cooper for me goes kinda deep. This tour he brought back Pain (from an album no one remembers about) and This World Needs Guts, a song I didn't even remember and I had to go back and check on which album it was.
I can't describe how thrilled I was to see that.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 24, 2017, 12:25:34 PM
I loved it too, it was even better live than on the album!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 24, 2017, 12:52:14 PM
Which is my major problem right now with Alice Cooper and UFO. I get that there are 4  or 5 songs played at every show, but it's the same secondary tracks that keep getting recycled.

Alice Cooper for me goes kinda deep. This tour he brought back Pain (from an album no one remembers about) and This World Needs Guts, a song I didn't even remember and I had to go back and check on which album it was.

Yeah..true. I was so glad he brought back The World Needs Guts (from Constrictor BTW). That is a GREAT song!

And I love Flush The Fashion. Half of it is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 10, 2018, 07:17:38 AM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-robinsons-help-for-heroes-join-forces-to-launch-light-brigade-ale-in-the-uk
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 19, 2018, 04:16:48 PM
So I figured I'd show everyone how I put my Eddie's Archive container to use.

I keep all of my old concert pictures in it.

(https://i.imgur.com/TRxO8Vr.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2018, 05:00:18 PM
Nice, but wheres the goblet?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 19, 2018, 05:03:28 PM
The pictures won't fit in it. ;D




I have it. It's in my closet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on January 19, 2018, 07:07:04 PM
The pictures won't fit in it. ;D




I have it. It's in my closet.

I hear that he goes in there quite often...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2018, 11:28:53 PM
So I figured I'd show everyone how I put my Eddie's Archive container to use.

I keep all of my old concert pictures in it.

(https://i.imgur.com/TRxO8Vr.jpg)

Why not keep the whole collection intact?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 20, 2018, 10:26:20 AM
Well I keep the CDs with all my other CDs. I have the scroll, ring, and goblet around. No big deal. I organized all of my old pics a few months ago and they fit perfectly in my case, which was uselessly sitting in my basement.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on January 20, 2018, 05:28:52 PM
I paid around $400 for Eddies Archive lol, which I know is a ridiculous.

I would only admit that to you guys on this forum as you would understand this purchase more than other people I know haha.

It is an fantastic set though!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 20, 2018, 05:36:58 PM

I would only admit that to you guys on this forum as you would understand this purchase more than other people I know haha.
:rollin

We're here for you, brother.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 21, 2018, 06:26:18 AM
Wow was it at least one of the originals? I paid around 120 for mine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 21, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
I paid around $400 for Eddies Archive lol, which I know is a ridiculous.

I would only admit that to you guys on this forum as you would understand this purchase more than other people I know haha.

It is an fantastic set though!

Wow thats a hefty price mate but as Tim said, we got your back mate.  Why so much though?

I got mine as a XMas parents from the folks but it cost $155 I think. Still have it in perfect condition.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on January 22, 2018, 12:47:07 AM
I just bought it a few years ago, so long after it was a new release.  Not sure what its going for now, but at the time,  everything I could find on amazon and ebay was the $400- $500 mark.

But I wanted it, so I got it lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 22, 2018, 08:30:21 AM
Nice, yea I guess I was fortunate to not have to go through a reseller like that on ebay or whatever, and actually found mine in a store in some bizarre luck.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 22, 2018, 08:40:38 AM
I bought the disks stand alone on eBay.  I missed out on the goblet (is it working?  Can you drink out of it?  Nothing beats a goblet, in my view) but I have the music, and the live set from '82 is ESSENTIAL listening. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 22, 2018, 08:45:00 AM
Of course you can, we used to take shots out of it in college.  I keep telling my buddy we'll drink out of it again next time he comes over, but I usually forget.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on January 22, 2018, 09:45:30 AM
Wow was it at least one of the originals? I paid around 120 for mine.

Well, the original release goes for around £130 to £200 these days, and their availability is good.

$400 sounds like quite a bit for it but the main thing is being happy with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 26, 2018, 12:16:16 PM
Apparently Nicko is opening his own Drumshop in the UK, that's awesome!  :lol

Would be so cool if he had an event or a section in the store displaying all his tour kits through the years, would love to see that. Or just see him play some songs on his World Slavery kit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on January 30, 2018, 02:13:29 PM
I just watched an acoustic performance of Avenged Sevenfold's Hail to the King, and the chorus melody to that song is identical to Sign of the Cross. I may be a tad late to the party, but I'm not a fan of A7X.

Why'd I watch the video, you ask? Boredom. It's not a bad song though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2018, 02:18:08 PM
I just watched an acoustic performance of Avenged Sevenfold's Hail to the King, and the chorus melody to that song is identical to Sign of the Cross. I may be a tad late to the party, but I'm not a fan of A7X.

Why'd I watch the video, you ask? Boredom. It's not a bad song though.

That acoustic set they did is fantastic if you ask me.  But I also am a big A7X fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 16, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-author-offers-nine-maiden-related-ebooks-free-of-charge

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 15, 2018, 06:10:21 PM
bump

I finally picked up Dance of Death today....though I'm not sure how soon I'm going to be able to listen to it because I picked up the new BTBAM and Ayreon Universe in the same haul.   I'm looking forward to checking it out though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 15, 2018, 06:30:37 PM
As I stated, you are going to have a big aneurysm during No More Lies.  You have been warned.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on April 15, 2018, 06:49:37 PM
I love No More Lies. And loved it even more when I saw them play it live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 15, 2018, 08:05:20 PM
In all fairness, I like No More Lies as well, but given jammindude's likes and dislikes when it comes to Maiden songs, this one is probably going to be in the lower end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 15, 2018, 08:09:30 PM
Somewhere along the line, I have heard No More Lies and...ya.   It has all this potential, and I like most of it, but by the end I'm waiting for it to be over.   I can't think of a single example of a Maiden song (or song by anyone actually) where the name of the song being repeated 16 times for the chorus doesn't annoy the crap out of me.    Even if they were to just alternate it with ONE different line, it would make all the difference in the world.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 15, 2018, 08:29:47 PM
I love No More Lies.
I love No More Lies.
I love No More Lies.
I love No More Lies.
I love No More Lies.
I love No More Lies.
I love No More Lies.
I love No More Lies.
And loved it even more when I saw them play it live.
FIFY
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on April 15, 2018, 10:31:11 PM
No More Lies was fun live, but only because the entire crowd was singing along, but it really is quite an annoying and repetitive song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2018, 07:01:15 AM
With the Legacy of the Beast tour approaching (and I'm a fanatic no spoilers guy, especially when it comes to Maiden, so I propose this idea but I won't be around to see how it went  :biggrin: ), what do you think will be in the setlist? we can follow the tour announcement and the little rumors here and there to predict a reasonable setlist.

I'd suggest these guidelines:
- Respect the tour announcement. Classics of the '80s and some newer songs.
- No more than 17 songs. 16 if you use two 10 minute-ish songs. 15 if you use a longer song like Rime.
- Strongly hinted songs are For the Greater Good of God and Flight of Icarus, find some room for those.
- Three songs as encore, last of the main set must be Iron Maiden.
- Bruce said he wanted "social media madness" after the first show, try to predict what he will come up with now that he has more control over the setlist!

(I hope it's not Alex the Great. To this point I'd rather have them not play it than giving in to those that tour after tour continue to insist in the hope they'd do it  :lol )
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2018, 07:06:00 AM
There's been hints of FTGGOG being played again?  :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2018, 07:11:26 AM
There's been hints of FTGGOG being played again?  :omg:

It's in the actual tour announcement, the first video released with the announcement of the tour and that image with the various "church windows". It plays over the video, it's basically the first song.

Also, it's rumored that Nicko at a drum clinic said they'll play Flight of Icarus and Where Eagles Dare.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2018, 07:14:15 AM
Nice, I don't think I paid that close attention since this is a tour that I am not going to be seeing, but damn that makes me want to go to Europe this summer.  I actually did check out the idea of going to Paris since I have off from work that week but the cost is just too much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2018, 07:15:45 AM
This blog kept a detailed account of all the hints, be them interviews or details hidden in the artwork:

https://maidenrevelations.com/2018/03/31/spring-speculation-legacy-of-the-beast-european-tour-2018/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on April 16, 2018, 07:35:51 AM
I actually like No More Lies. And Blood Brothers to boot. Even though I find modern Iron Maiden often overtly repetitive.

I finally gave The Book of Souls a chance this spring. I'm not a fan of the post-reunion Iron Maiden albums, they are very inconsistent and too long for their own good, and in 2015, I didn't really care about Iron Maiden or follow what was happening in their camp. Also, the tracklist and the song lengths (3 +10 minute songs, album +80 minutes), I figured it was not worth it.

But I've been slowly warming up to them lately and decided to bite the bullet. And you know what, it wasn't half bad. Some of my pet peeves about their latest albums (3 minute clean guitar intros that hardly serve any purpose, choruses consisting of one line repeated ad infinitum, Em-C-G-D chord progression) were thankfully toned down. They didn't reinvent the wheel, which is both plus and minus, since the album is totally the Maiden we know and love, but sometimes sounds pretty derivative of their older material. Thankfully there is Empire of the Clouds, going to a completely uncharted territory for the band with it's prominent use of piano and symphonic sound. On the other end of the line is The Red and the Black, which basically makes me think Steve Harris has run out of ideas. At five minutes I just hoped it would end... and it kept dragging on for another eight minutes. :censored C'mon Steve, the hook of the song is almost completely same than the outro of The Wicker Man! I have no will to revisit it, but probably you will make me now that I've trashed it. :biggrin: But sometimes the manage to sound fresh and interesting while using their old songwriting tropes, like in Speed of Light and the title track, which is probably my favourite Maiden epic since... Alexander the Great?! Could very well be, it pretty much stays interesting during its whole length and doesn't have any awkward or out-of-place passages (Dance of Death and The Man Who Would Be King, I'm looking at you two!).

I don't think I should pass any lasting judgment yet, but I was positively surprised and while it doesn't come close to their 80s albums, it's a decent addition to their discography.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on April 16, 2018, 08:06:05 AM
With the Legacy of the Beast tour approaching (and I'm a fanatic no spoilers guy, especially when it comes to Maiden, so I propose this idea but I won't be around to see how it went  :biggrin: ), what do you think will be in the setlist? we can follow the tour announcement and the little rumors here and there to predict a reasonable setlist.

I'd suggest these guidelines:
- Respect the tour announcement. Classics of the '80s and some newer songs.
- No more than 17 songs. 16 if you use two 10 minute-ish songs. 15 if you use a longer song like Rime.
- Strongly hinted songs are For the Greater Good of God and Flight of Icarus, find some room for those.
- Three songs as encore, last of the main set must be Iron Maiden.
- Bruce said he wanted "social media madness" after the first show, try to predict what he will come up with now that he has more control over the setlist!

(I hope it's not Alex the Great. To this point I'd rather have them not play it than giving in to those that tour after tour continue to insist in the hope they'd do it  :lol )

Hell no! Not that snoozefest. Brighter Than a Thousand Suns or Lord of Light please :angel:. But I'm in. And I'll make two: my dream set and a likely set.

Also, I'm happily surprised if they play Icarus. I thought Steve hates it.

What I'd want
1. Churchill's Speech/Aces High
2. Purgatory (you can always dream, right :lol)
3. 2 Minutes to Midnight
4. Revelations
5. Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
6. Flight of Icarus
7. No Prayer for the Dying (not gonna happen, but still :azn:)
8. Blood Brothers
9. 22 Acacia Avenue
10. The Book of Souls
11. Infinite Dreams
12. Wasted Years
13. Iron Maiden
---------------------------
14. The Number of the Beast
15. Hallowed Be Thy Name (they're allowed to play it again, right?)
16. Running Free

To be fair, they'll play The Trooper and Run to the Hills anyway so...

The more realistic set
1. Churchill's Speech/Aces High
2. Wrathchild
3. Ghost of the Navigator
4. The Trooper
5. For the Greater Meh of God
6. Flight of Icarus
7. Rime of the Ancient Mariner
8. The Evil That Men Do
9. Wasted Years
10. The Book of Souls
11. Run to the Hills
12. Iron Maiden
---------------------------
13. The Number of the Beast
14. Fear of the Dark
15. Hallowed Be Thy Name

E: I just realized there's only two "new" songs there... well I replace 2 Minutes with Ghost of the Navigator then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on April 16, 2018, 11:14:24 AM
This blog kept a detailed account of all the hints, be them interviews or details hidden in the artwork:

https://maidenrevelations.com/2018/03/31/spring-speculation-legacy-of-the-beast-european-tour-2018/
I can’t take this seriously at all. Do they really think Sun and Steel will be played? The only scenario where I see that happening is if they do all of Piece of Mind, which I actually wouldn’t rule out at this point.

I think two reUnion era songs is pretty realistic, especially if one of them is a big epic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 16, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
I think they precisely constructed the tour poster in oder for the fans to be able to guess some of the songs. And given that they certainly knew the set list by the time they started promoting the tour with that poster, to me it's very likely some of those guesses might become true. I do count on For the greater good of God, The Clansman and Flight of Icarus. Some aren't as likely, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on April 17, 2018, 02:10:58 PM
I always get hyped for this kind of shit, but then the band (not just Maiden) always winds up going the safe route. Like their idea of a deep track is a song like Afraid To Shoot Strangers or Where Eagles Dare or something. Good songs, but just not deep enough. U2 is doing something similar with their upcoming tour with hyping up rarities and unplayed songs, and some rehearsal spoilers are coming out and while there are quite a few surprises, a lot of it are somewhat obvious choices. Even Steven Wilson's tour has a couple cool PT tracks, but too many that are just too common. I hate to be a complainer about this shit, but there's so many awesome songs with so little time...why repeat yourself tour after tour?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 17, 2018, 02:27:21 PM
Yea, I hear ya.  The fact Bruce said he wants the internet to be buzzing about what they played makes me think it is possible for something really interesting, because I think the only way the internet explodes with their set list is if they play something they've never done before, specifically from the 80s and I'm not sure Sun and Steel would do it.  Probably Alexander the Great would do the trick. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 17, 2018, 02:33:28 PM
Right.

https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-singer-bruce-dickinson-expects-huge-reaction-to-setlist-on-legacy-of-the-beast-tour-there-ll-be-social-media-madness-after-the-first-show
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on April 18, 2018, 06:02:20 AM
I'm hopeful, and that interview does sound like it's going to actually be something pretty spectacular. It's so awesome that they're still able to generate this much excitement this late in their career.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 18, 2018, 06:45:09 AM
In order to have the internet going crazy, not even opening with Where Eagles Dare or Be Quick or Be Dead would do.

They'd have to do something along the lines of:
- Play three hours
- Play Alex the Great
- Play both Rime and Seventh Son or something like that
- Open with Fear of the Dark or anyway really shuffle up the order of the songs

They also said they'd follow the Legacy of the Beast game concept and have the stage somehow portraying the different worlds. I wonder if they'll go in sections or continously switch, for example, there's a Battlefield stage and they could dedicate that portion of the set to The Trooper, Death or Glory, For the Greater Good of God and Where Eagles Dare one after the other (they have however so many songs about war that they could do an entire show about war songs), but it would be tricky to have blocks of songs that could flow coherently.

EDIT: re-reading the interview it looks like Bruce puts a bigger emphasis on the stage concept, and how the "worlds" will change between one another. So probably he considers the stage re-arranging itself 3-4 times during the show and, say, Flight of Icarus and Be Quick or Be Dead enough to warrant widespread internet interest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on April 18, 2018, 06:57:53 AM
I also bet that the “ social media madness” will have more to do with the stage production than with the songs of setlist. However, like Bruce said, I think that it will be at last one big surprise song and my bet is on Empire of the Clouds.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2018, 07:10:47 AM
He seems to be referring to the setlist, no?

‘Fucking hell, I can’t believe they played THAT song!’ That’s the reaction I want. ........... And we’re playing one or two things that people are gonna be really surprised by. There’ll be social media madness after the first show.”




Any chances Caught Somewhere In Time will be played? I mean the SiT Eddie is prominently featured on its own glass plane. I know they were heavily criticized for not playing it on either of the last two History Tours.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on April 18, 2018, 07:19:05 AM
Yes, it seems, but the last sentence could be an overall observation of the show, I don’t know.
But if I could choose  two special songs in the set, I would choose infinite dreams and caught somewhere in time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 18, 2018, 07:20:11 AM
I doubt that CSIT will ever be back, Bruce would choke on the chorus.

About the "I can't believe it" part, depends what Bruce considers a surprise. For example, last tour I couldn't believe they'd play Powerslave, it always seemed one of their unwritten rules to have the title track or centerpiece of a show being played only in the tour dedicated to that album theme. He probably considered Children of the Damned a rarity, even if I have heard it already back in 2007 and it was played also in the second leg of the Somewhere Back in Time tour. But it wasn't part of a major tour from the get-go since 1986 in the end.

Flight of Icarus and Be Quick or Be Dead already qualify as huge surprises for Maiden standards, even though the dedicated fanbase would consider Alex the Great and Empire of the Clouds as "I can't believe it" kind of surprises. But hey, the average concert goer who is happy to hear all the classics would probably go "What song is this? as the sun breaks above the ground... ah, right! Flight of Icarus! heard it on Live After Death DVD two yeas ago, now I remember! cool!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2018, 07:41:31 AM
Bruce specifically mentioning the song he wrote, Flight of Icarus, hasn't been played live in so long in his book makes that song much less of a surprise.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2018, 07:50:59 AM
In order to have the internet going crazy, not even opening with Where Eagles Dare or Be Quick or Be Dead would do.

They'd have to do something along the lines of:
...
- Play both Rime and Seventh Son or something like that

If by "going crazy," you mean "saying to myself 'not interested in the least in seeing this show,'" then the bolded would definitely do it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 18, 2018, 11:42:28 AM
I doubt that CSIT will ever be back, Bruce would choke on the chorus.
Given that he sang the hell out of The Great unknown and The Book of souls, I don't think it's impossible.

What's important to remember is that, knowing how Maiden construct their set lists by often putting an emphasis on classics, a SURPRISING set is a set where you are surprised by no more than two or three songs. I wouldn't expect more than three surprises. Bruce did say one or two, but that's just a Brittish way of saying several or a few.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2018, 11:57:39 AM
In order to have the internet going crazy, not even opening with Where Eagles Dare or Be Quick or Be Dead would do.

They'd have to do something along the lines of:
...
- Play both Rime and Seventh Son or something like that

If by "going crazy," you mean "saying to myself 'not interested in the least in seeing this show,'" then the bolded would definitely do it.

I hope Rime and SS don't get played. They have just been played on semi recent tours.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2018, 12:47:51 PM
In order to have the internet going crazy, not even opening with Where Eagles Dare or Be Quick or Be Dead would do.

They'd have to do something along the lines of:
...
- Play both Rime and Seventh Son or something like that

If by "going crazy," you mean "saying to myself 'not interested in the least in seeing this show,'" then the bolded would definitely do it.

I hope Rime and SS don't get played. They have just been played on semi recent tours.

It's funny how 10 years ago feels like a recent tour (for Rime).  But yea, I'd rather something different too.  That's kind of why Alexander feels possible.  It would take the spot of an old school epic, be fresh since it's never been played live, and gives those other epics a break so they can come back out for their final tour. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2018, 02:01:16 PM
It's funny how 10 years ago feels like a recent tour (for Rime). 

I was thinking the same thing. I just wasn't sure how to phrase it.


Rime does NOT set social media on fire, does it? I wouldn't think so.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2018, 02:14:28 PM
Nah.  We have the lovely live in NJ version on Flight 666 (I love this being that I was near the barrier for it).  Playing it again would be cool cause it's a great song live, but definitely not something that sets social media on fire unless the change it up some way.

I guess reworking a song would probably set social media on fire though.  No one considered that, but I also think that's more unlikely than playing Sun and Steel.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 20, 2018, 01:45:15 AM
In order to have the internet going crazy, not even opening with Where Eagles Dare or Be Quick or Be Dead would do.

They'd have to do something along the lines of:
...
- Play both Rime and Seventh Son or something like that

If by "going crazy," you mean "saying to myself 'not interested in the least in seeing this show,'" then the bolded would definitely do it.

I hope Rime and SS don't get played. They have just been played on semi recent tours.

It's funny how 10 years ago feels like a recent tour (for Rime).  But yea, I'd rather something different too.  That's kind of why Alexander feels possible.  It would take the spot of an old school epic, be fresh since it's never been played live, and gives those other epics a break so they can come back out for their final tour.
I'm all for that! That would definitely be a treat for the long time fans.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on April 20, 2018, 02:58:07 AM
With all this talk about a supposedly mind-blowing setlist, let's fantasy craft a little bit!

Set.1
1. Sign of the Cross
2. Caught Somewhere in Time
3. Rainmaker
4. Dance of Death
5. These Colors Don't Run
6. If Eternity Should Fail
7. Dream of Mirrors

Intermission

Set.2
8. Moonchild
9. Brave New World
10. The Evil That Men Do
11. Killers
12. 2 Minutes to Midnight
13. Back in the Village
14. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
15. When the Wild Wind Blows

Encore.
16. Stranger in a Strange Land
17. Fear of the Dark
18. Phantom of the Opera

How's that?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 20, 2018, 03:06:49 AM
That is far, far beyond the "little bit" of fantasy craft you announced  :lol

If I pretend Maiden do the shows DT style (intermission, rotating setlists etc) that could work, even though I feel no need for Back in the Village, and that the encore is anticlimatic, with Phantom being a strange closer. Also If Eternity Should Fail could surely skip the intro, but it feels oddly placed there as second-to-last song of the first set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 20, 2018, 07:49:58 AM
Maiden aren't really an "intermission" kind of band, though are they?   I feel like they go out, full on for two hours, two and a half hours, and that's what you get. 

Oh, and I would kill to hear "Back In The Village".  One of my favorite Maiden songs. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on April 20, 2018, 08:01:40 AM
Ridiculously amazing and long interview on Chris Jericho's podcast with Blaze Bayley.  They spend a ton of time talking about Blaze's audition and his time in Maiden, in addition to his firing from the band.

Wow - Parts of Silicon Messiah were intended for the 3rd Blaze Maiden album.   :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdKoE0w3QMI&t=1327s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 20, 2018, 08:03:01 AM
Wow. Will check that later.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on April 20, 2018, 09:44:58 AM
Nah.  We have the lovely live in NJ version on Flight 666 (I love this being that I was near the barrier for it).  Playing it again would be cool cause it's a great song live, but definitely not something that sets social media on fire unless the change it up some way.
Did you show up in the video? I was at the TNotB gig in LA, but I wasn't particularly close.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2018, 09:55:02 AM
Nah.  We have the lovely live in NJ version on Flight 666 (I love this being that I was near the barrier for it).  Playing it again would be cool cause it's a great song live, but definitely not something that sets social media on fire unless the change it up some way.
Did you show up in the video? I was at the TNotB gig in LA, but I wasn't particularly close.

I look for myself every time I watch, but it appears I didn't make the cut
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 20, 2018, 12:03:46 PM
I wonder if the set will continously change with the backdrops, or if they'll have themes being present for a bunch of songs.

As per the information on the Iron Maiden website, the kingdoms of the game where you can travel and the accompanying albums providing the soundtracks are:

AILING KINGDOM:
Seventh Son, Brave New World

BATTLEFIELD:
Powerslave, Piece of Mind, A Matter of Life and Death

UNDERWORLD:
The Number of the Beast

KINGDOM OF THE SANDS:
Powerslave, BNW

And on a Legacy of the Beast wikia I saw announced a "Night City" level (obviously a callback for the Di'Anno era).

So, for the Ailing Kingdom, we've got The Evil that Men Do and Brave New World (the song), or maybe Ghost of the Navigator.

For Battlefield, we've got Aces High, The Trooper and For the Greater Good of God.

For Underworld, we have The Number of the Beast.

For Kingdom of the Sands we have Powerslave and The Nomad.

These two latter songs I don't think they will be played: The Nomad was never played at all, and Powerslave was just played in the previous tour.
Battlefield could start off the set: Aces High as opener, The Trooper second song, and then maybe sneak Death or Glory and Where Eagles Dare before a pause, and For the Greater Good of God can be fifth in the set.

Then I wouldn't know where to start to place the rest of the songs, since they'll have anyway to lead up to the duo Fear of the Dark / Iron Maiden before a three songs encore, and with the Kingdom of the Sands songs being very unlikely (maybe it's the good slot for Alex the Great?)

I wanted to present a setlist based on that but I gave up after five songs  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on April 27, 2018, 09:05:58 PM
I've had a couple of thoughts... first one relating to the upcoming tour...

The most likely... Legacy of the Beast, how about they play The Legacy? Its' not an absolute fan favourite, but it has the word "Legacy" in the name and it is one of their best post-reunion songs (IMO).

Another one... Bruce mentioned "social media madness"... and this is stuff of wet dreams, but what if they'll play Empire of the Clouds with a backing of a string orchestra... and a couple of songs that could be arranged that way. I'd say Paschendale, Blood Brothers and Sign of the Cross could be played with strings. And I'd love it. Y'know I'd love to think Bruce wants to play his most massive song live (he's not that kind of a dick, but it'd be allowed to be said that could be EOFC is his masterpiece) (and I prefer Darkside of Aquarius or Book of Thel, but it would embrace Bruce's ego to play Empire live). And if they don't play it live, I'd fucking hope for a Bruce solo tour with Tyranny of Souls songs.

But we're talking about the upcoming Maiden tour. There's a small string orchestra and they'll play Empire of the Clouds. Who's with (or against me?) "Social media madness", I'll bet on that, even though I shouldn't. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 28, 2018, 04:47:23 AM
They won't play The Legacy (from that album they will play For the Greater Good of God) and they won't play Empire of the Clouds or use an orchestra.

They will somehow manage to change on the fly the stage setup to adapt it to the various worlds of the game, and they will play a couple of rare tracks like possibly Flight of Icarus, and that in their eyes already justifies "social media madness".

"I can't believe they played THAT one" applied also for Powerslave last tour, at least for me. It's not the rarest of tracks, but I never thought they'd play it outside the tour dedicated to the egyptian stage set. Flight of Icarus was never played in the last 30 years or so, that could justify a "wow, didn't see that coming" reaction.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 26, 2018, 12:19:52 PM
...and so it begins!

If anyone wants to follow the set list, this is the way to go:

https://twitter.com/ironmaiden

I'm determined not to spoil, but we're three songs in and the second one is already a pleasant surprise.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 26, 2018, 12:43:23 PM
I am not a fan of Twitter, I don't have an account, I have never had the slightest desire to follow anyone.

THIS is a great use Twitter.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 26, 2018, 01:53:45 PM
Thats a great setlist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 26, 2018, 03:10:37 PM
AWESOME setlist!!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 26, 2018, 03:13:27 PM
Song #9 is my favorite song of all time. To say that I'm happy would be an understatement. I'm very much looking forward to June 28th.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on May 26, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
Awesome setlist, hope they bring it to the states.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2018, 05:40:17 PM
Awesome setlist, hope they bring it to the states.

Yea, with 4 songs I've never seen live before, I really want to catch this.  Sucks cause I don't think it'll happen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2018, 06:39:31 PM
Yes please!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on May 26, 2018, 11:13:13 PM
Awesome setlist, hope they bring it to the states.

Yea, with 4 songs I've never seen live before, I really want to catch this.  Sucks cause I don't think it'll happen.
I don't see why not. They said the tour is expected to go into 2019. The schedule is just flipped around like TBOS and there's no Ed Force One so they're staying in Europe.

I'm more concerned about the setlist staying the same throughout the tour. Those first two songs have to be brutal for Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 27, 2018, 06:15:59 AM
I don't see why not. They said the tour is expected to go into 2019. The schedule is just flipped around like TBOS and there's no Ed Force One so they're staying in Europe.

I'm more concerned about the setlist staying the same throughout the tour. Those first two songs have to be brutal for Bruce.

Right. I expect a US tour on this next summer.

I also hope the setlist stays the same. If it doesn't, I hope they tweak one interesting song for another. No need to drop in Wrathchild!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2018, 06:58:50 AM
They did say this would go into 2019? I must have missed that. Kind of thought they'd break and work on a new album after this since they seem inspired.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 27, 2018, 07:41:35 AM
Oh my god, that setlist is siiiiiick. :hefdaddy

I gotta find a way to catch one of these shows, because I'm hellbent on making sure I see some of those songs live before the band calls it quits. Did NOT expect them to ever play some of these songs again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 27, 2018, 08:20:07 AM
Almost a dream setlist for me! Very much looking forward to this now.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on May 27, 2018, 09:39:33 AM
They did say this would go into 2019? I must have missed that. Kind of thought they'd break and work on a new album after this since they seem inspired.

From the press release:

Quote
Following the massively successful global tour of 2016-17 in support of their 16th studio album The Book Of Souls IRON MAIDEN will take to the road again in 2018 with a series of arena and festival shows in Europe on the Legacy Of The Beast World Tour opening in Tallinn, Estonia on May 26 and finishing at the O2 Arena, London on August 10. The full list of dates is below and the tour is expected to continue in 2019.

I'm pretty conflicted about the whole thing. I was bummed out when this tour was announced because that meant no new material for at least another 3 years. I was also expecting a fairly boring set. That being said, now that we know the setlist it would be a shame for this not to hit the states and other parts of the world. Hopefully they will still have time for one more album though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2018, 11:08:37 AM
oh shit, that gives hope.

Also, love the plane prop for Aces High  :metal looks amazing
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 27, 2018, 05:33:10 PM
Helluva setlist. The only one I haven't seen is FtGGoG, and I haven't heard SotC with Bruce singing.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if this setlist gets tweaked over the next couple of gigs. And, I'd bet on it being slightly different by the time it gets to the US. Probably a couple of songs they think will go over better on this side of the pond.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 27, 2018, 05:35:16 PM
Maiden is pretty quick to pull something out of the set if they're not happy with it.


Bart, you miss the BNW tour?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 27, 2018, 05:43:24 PM
Maiden is pretty quick to pull something out of the set if they're not happy with it.


Bart, you miss the BNW tour?

No, I was there. Just got my time-frame mixed up, so I guess I have seen it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 28, 2018, 04:04:41 AM
Helluva setlist. The only one I haven't seen is FtGGoG, and I haven't heard SotC with Bruce singing.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if this setlist gets tweaked over the next couple of gigs. And, I'd bet on it being slightly different by the time it gets to the US. Probably a couple of songs they think will go over better on this side of the pond.

I hope they don't tweak it by adding Wrathchild. I love the setlist but man...get rid of Fear of the Dark once and for all!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on May 28, 2018, 09:35:15 AM
I posted some statistics over at Maidenfans that y'all might find interesting. I know this forum doesn't really have spoiler rules for non-DT tours, but I'll put it in small text anyway:


- A "handful" of post-80s material seems to mean 5 songs, including 3 that hover around the ten minute mark. Pretty close to the amount of new material we get on an album tour.

- The Final Frontier, NOT Somewhere In Time, is truly Maiden's black sheep and rare album. It is the only album to not have any representation in the setlist since the initial album tour. That's five TFF songs compared to only three songs from Somewhere In Time that have not been performed since the SIT tour. It's also one of two albums not to have any songs played live on the subsequent album tour (the other being Dance of Death, which was remedied a few years later on TFF tour). When DoD songs were finally brought back, it had been 6 years since anything from that album was played live. It has now been 7 years since anything from TFF has been played live. If we're lucky, we may see some TFF songs again on its tenth anniversary.

- Piece of Mind may be an "overexposed" album live; however, 50% of the POM songs on this setlist had not been played in over a decade. One of which was retired after just two complete tours in the 80s.

- If a live recording is released, For the Greater Good of God will be the only song that has not been represented on a live album/video before. It'll also be the first time anything from AMOLAD appears on a live album (12 years after release). If a video is released, it'll be the first time Where Eagles Dare has been released on an official video. It'll also be the first time recordings have been released of this lineup performing Flight of Icarus and Where Eagles Dare.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 28, 2018, 10:44:51 AM
Eh.... Wicker Man. Is there another song with such an awesome intro riff that has an equally lame chorus?

Big fan of Flight of Icarus. Cool to see that. Same with The Clansman. Nothing else totally knocks my knickers off.


- If a live recording is released, For the Greater Good of God will be the only song that has not been represented on a live album/video before. It'll also be the first time anything from AMOLAD appears on a live album (12 years after release).

Somewhere, behind an oversized drum kit in a half-filled venue, Mike Portnoy is crying.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on May 28, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
Ugh, I hate to be such a downer about everything but is anyone underwhelmed by the setlist? FTGGOF and SOTC are excellent additions, but FOI is such a middle of the road song that it's hard to be really excited about it. If they had brought back To Tame A Land, then I'd probably think differently. Aces High and Where Eagles dare are excellent songs, but they still feel a bit too common over the years, not to mention all the "usual suspect" songs that are present every single time. Like is anyone still dying to hear the song Iron Maiden? Not to mention, FOTD has vastly overstayed its welcome (and I honestly think a majority of fans actually agree with this one).

Just seems like a wasted opportunity to really branch out and truly go nuts with the setlist. I'm just not seeing the hype over this group of songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2018, 09:53:24 PM
Yeah, call me a fanboy, but I'll go see that.    I have no problem with a live Number, Hallowed, or Run.   Sign me up for Sign of the Cross, and my memory of Where Eagles Dare is so strong - I've told it here before, but they opened with that in '83 and Bruce's mike was out and we could STILL hear that fucker screaming over the band; then again I was pretty close and I was on the side not in front of the house sound - that I think this will be good.   Love the pictures of the set, too. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 28, 2018, 11:03:25 PM
Ugh, I hate to be such a downer about everything but is anyone underwhelmed by the setlist? FTGGOF and SOTC are excellent additions, but FOI is such a middle of the road song that it's hard to be really excited about it. If they had brought back To Tame A Land, then I'd probably think differently. Aces High and Where Eagles dare are excellent songs, but they still feel a bit too common over the years, not to mention all the "usual suspect" songs that are present every single time. Like is anyone still dying to hear the song Iron Maiden? Not to mention, FOTD has vastly overstayed its welcome (and I honestly think a majority of fans actually agree with this one).

Just seems like a wasted opportunity to really branch out and truly go nuts with the setlist. I'm just not seeing the hype over this group of songs.

I would NOT say that Where Eagles Dare was “too common over the years” by any stretch.   Should have picked a different song for that argument.   I’m pretty sure that song has hardly ever been played.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 29, 2018, 12:01:58 AM
According to Setlist.fm, Where Eagles Dare has been played 204 times by Iron Maiden at the time of writing:

1983 - 135
1986 - 25
1993 - 15
2005 - 27
2018 - 2

By comparison, Fear of the Dark has been played 1,012 times since 1992. Blimey.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 29, 2018, 02:06:17 AM
Interesting setlist, with some odd choices, some amazing, some a little eye-brow raising. The 2 Blaze-era songs were unexpected, nice to see Hallowed back in there too.
Only downside is the lack of newer material. It's good to hear something from the criminally under-played AMOLAD album, but FTGGOG is hardly the most inspiring tune they could have picked.
On the whole, a great looking show, the spitfire prop looks a bit silly but I imagine it working better in the flesh. The Icarus and Beast-Eddie props look pretty good too. I'm stoked for this show - August can't come soon enuff!

Steve Harris insists on playing Fear of the Dark at every show - he regards it as the quintessential Maiden song, and he's unlikely to drop it anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on May 29, 2018, 02:56:06 AM
When I read the news stories of Bruce hyping up the setlist I had much higher hopes than this end result. I had envisioned songs like Remember Tomorrow, Killers, 22 Acacia Ave, To Tame a Land, Empire of the Clouds and Alex to be in the mix. I'd even like to see them bring back Pashendale.

I am happy to see them put the two Blaze era tracks into the set. I'm not a big fan of that time, but a lot of people stuck with them and they deserve to hear some of their stuff being played live.

This band re-established themselves in the reunion era by not playing things safe, but I can't help feeling like they're doing exactly that now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on May 29, 2018, 08:10:48 AM
This band re-established themselves in the reunion era by not playing things safe, but I can't help feeling like they're doing exactly that now.

I think fans need to keep in mind that this tour is a tie-in for the mobile Legacy of the Beast game.  When Maiden toured for Ed Hunter, they only played songs from that soundtrack (which was voted on by fans, and also featured the reunion of Bruce and Adrian).

Every legacy tour since then has been based around the existing material (Early Days, Live After Death, Maiden England DVD's) where the setlist was generally constructed using the original setlist from that release, or in the case of the Early Days, only songs from the first few records. 

This time, they've busted out a few rarely played songs, plus two songs from the Blaze era that have been absent for about 15 years.  So I don't have any complaints about the set, which has to generally represent the mobile game.  At least the visual show is very different than what they've done for the last 5-10 years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2018, 09:02:30 AM
I think it's a great set. But definitely not the internet stopper that Bruce was talking about.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2018, 09:18:15 AM
I think it's a great set. But definitely not the internet stopper that Bruce was talking about.
Sure it is.  There are threads popping up all over the Internet along the lines of, "These fans when to a Maiden concert.  You won't believe what happened next."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2018, 09:29:23 AM
Yeah maybe. It IS a great setlist. Personally, I feel it didn't live up to the tease. It's going to look/sound like I'm complaining about the setlist which I am definitely not doing. I do think it's fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 29, 2018, 12:41:55 PM
I'm all in on the setlist, and very pleased. Then again, I'm coming at it from the perspective of a fan who has only seen them four or five times. But I love what I see on the set, and if this is brought to my area, I'll be there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 29, 2018, 01:38:22 PM
Nicko said recently that they did rehearse Alexander the Great, but ended up deciding not to play it because "it didn't work". Fcuck mates, make it work then!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2018, 01:51:05 PM
I'm all in on the setlist, and very pleased.

Me too!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on May 29, 2018, 01:57:27 PM
I'm all in on the setlist, and very pleased.

Me too!!!!

Holy cow do they come out swinging on this tour!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 29, 2018, 02:01:20 PM
Nicko said recently that they did rehearse Alexander the Great, but ended up deciding not to play it because "it didn't work". Fcuck mates, make it work then!!!
That's interesting, my first thought would be that I wouldn't rank that as one of their complicated epics other than the 7/4 section. I guess he could refer to other things. The vocals are pretty demanding though, maybe that's one reason.
Either way that's sad too hear, if they would have played that my life would basically been complete.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 29, 2018, 02:03:19 PM
Ugh, I hate to be such a downer about everything but is anyone underwhelmed by the setlist?
<snip>
Just seems like a wasted opportunity to really branch out and truly go nuts with the setlist. I'm just not seeing the hype over this group of songs.
You're not the only one, and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one either. When I saw the setlist, I thought *this* is what Bruce is making such a big deal over? Really?!?!? I'm sure the show itself (lights, props, etc.) is awesome, but while there's some great tracks that have been included, there's absolutely nothing in that setlist that would make me say something even remotely like 'F***ing hell, I can't believe they played that song!' to quote Bruce.

So many missed opportunities. As someone else said, good on them for including a couple Blaze-era tracks, and it's nice to see them include something from most albums in their catalog. But there's a lot of stuff in the setlist that has been played umpteen times, and something else could've been played instead. To Tame a Land. Infinite Dreams. Be Quick or Be Dead. Caught Somewhere in Time or Sea of Madness if Alex the Great is a no-go. Something other than Wrathchild off of Killers. Total Eclipse (now there's something to represent NotB that diehards would drool over).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 29, 2018, 02:26:45 PM
Nicko said recently that they did rehearse Alexander the Great, but ended up deciding not to play it because "it didn't work". Fcuck mates, make it work then!!!
That's interesting, my first thought would be that I wouldn't rank that as one of their complicated epics other than the 7/4 section. I guess he could refer to other things. The vocals are pretty demanding though, maybe that's one reason.
Either way that's sad too hear, if they would have played that my life would basically been complete.  :biggrin:

Same here, man. Anyway, here's the link to the interview where he mentions Alexander: https://youtu.be/DOfpVAtj1tU
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 29, 2018, 02:28:33 PM
Ugh, I hate to be such a downer about everything but is anyone underwhelmed by the setlist?
<snip>
Just seems like a wasted opportunity to really branch out and truly go nuts with the setlist. I'm just not seeing the hype over this group of songs.
You're not the only one, and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one either. When I saw the setlist, I thought *this* is what Bruce is making such a big deal over? Really?!?!? I'm sure the show itself (lights, props, etc.) is awesome, but while there's some great tracks that have been included, there's absolutely nothing in that setlist that would make me say something even remotely like 'F***ing hell, I can't believe they played that song!' to quote Bruce.

So many missed opportunities. As someone else said, good on them for including a couple Blaze-era tracks, and it's nice to see them include something from most albums in their catalog. But there's a lot of stuff in the setlist that has been played umpteen times, and something else could've been played instead. To Tame a Land. Infinite Dreams. Be Quick or Be Dead. Caught Somewhere in Time or Sea of Madness if Alex the Great is a no-go. Something other than Wrathchild off of Killers. Total Eclipse (now there's something to represent NotB that diehards would drool over).

To Tame a Land will NEVER be played because of the whole issue they had with the author of Dune. And Total Eclipse...well, only if Bruce finds out a different way to sing it, because there's NO WAY he can reach those notes now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 29, 2018, 02:43:19 PM
To Tame a Land will NEVER be played because of the whole issue they had with the author of Dune.
Just glanced at Wikipedia to see what the story was, and all it said was that the author of Dune doesn't like Maiden's type of music and wouldn't permit them to name the song Dune. Is there more to the story than that like there was with Hallowed Be Thy Name? If not, I'd think they'd want to play it in spite of the author.

And Total Eclipse...well, only if Bruce finds out a different way to sing it, because there's NO WAY he can reach those notes now.
Fair enough, but I'm sure where there's a will, there's a way!

But even taking those 2 out of the picture, there's plenty of other tracks that could've been included...and weren't.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 29, 2018, 02:50:26 PM
I know, man. I guess the current setlist is as ambitious as we're gonna get when it comes to Maiden. Same as playing Powerslave and Children of the Damned on the last tour: they pick some quasi-obscure tracks and bring them to life, but nothing that has never been played when the albums were released. I agree with you on Infinite Dreams, they missed that boat on the Maiden England World Tour, God knows why. To Tame a Land was played in the Piece of Mid Tour, but I don't think it got a good reaction from the crowd - maybe that's the main reason they don't dust it off. But they seemed pretty adamant with the Dune dude, so it could be one thing or another. Caught Somewhere in Time I would REALLY like to hear, but they said it fell kinda flat in the one tour they played it. Same thing with Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner.

From their more recent period, I never understood why they didn't play Montsegur. That's one of my favourite songs since the "reunion", and would kill live...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sfam2112 on May 30, 2018, 12:14:21 AM
I agree with you on Infinite Dreams, they missed that boat on the Maiden England World Tour, God knows why.

I wish I could remember where I read it but I can't so I don't have a source for this (so, it very well may not have even been the case), but I remember reading somewhere that they had intended to play Infinite Dreams but Bruce was having trouble with it so they went with Afraid To Shoot Strangers instead.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2018, 04:48:11 AM
Nicko said recently that they did rehearse Alexander the Great, but ended up deciding not to play it because "it didn't work". Fcuck mates, make it work then!!!

That's interesting. I just dont thk the band feels it will work well live and I'm really not sure why. If they can do all the newer material, I dont dre why this song couldn't work well live. Oh well. We wont ever get it if they tried and failed here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 30, 2018, 06:48:27 AM
I'm not claiming to be an expert, and it's not like Bruce and I have sat down and chatted about this, but I don't think the "To Tame A Land" thing has ANYTHING to do with Frank Hebert at this point.    Even back then - and I bought the album on release, so was big into Maiden at the time - it struck me more as a "hey, we're as metal as fuck; we're so metal the Dune guy wouldn't have anything to do with us! Up the irons, mate!" thing than any real behind the scenes beef.   

I don't know; we all have our holy grails - someone said "Total Eclipse" and I said "YES PLEASE!" - but honestly, if you've been following Maiden for any period of time, none of this should be a surprise.  Meaning, yes, some of the songs are interesting, but you weren't ever going to get "Prodigal Son", "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" or "The Sheriff Of Huddersfield", and I think it was somewhat unrealistic to think you would.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 31, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
There’s been a few videos popping up on YouTube of the recent shows, and the stage show looks absolutely fantastic. Looks like they’ve thrown the kitchen sink at this one.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 01, 2018, 01:49:27 PM
To Tame a Land will NEVER be played because of the whole issue they had with the author of Dune.
Just glanced at Wikipedia to see what the story was, and all it said was that the author of Dune doesn't like Maiden's type of music and wouldn't permit them to name the song Dune. Is there more to the story than that like there was with Hallowed Be Thy Name? If not, I'd think they'd want to play it in spite of the author.

The story is something to the effect that the band sent a letter to Herbert seeking permission to call the song Dune (something they likely didn't need to do).  Supposedly, Herbert's agent responded that Herbert doesn't like rock bands, particularly heavy rock bands, and especially bands like Maiden.  That obviously occurred before Piece of Mind was released and yet they still played the song 133 times on the World Piece Tour, including a June 5, 1983 show in Stockholm during which Bruce called Herbert a "cunt" because he threatened a lawsuit if the band called the song "Dune."  They then launched into the song.  So I doubt "the whole issue they had with the author of Dune" has anything to do with the song not having been played since 1983.  I suppose it's possible that there was some sort of threat of a lawsuit and that the matter was settled by agreement not to play the song again, but there's no apparent evidence of anything like that.

TTaL might be my all time favorite Maiden song.  Seeing it live would be a lot like when I got to see Rush play Jacob's Ladder and Losing it during their final show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2018, 01:58:17 PM
TTAL would be cool to see performed again, but I think I'd rather ATG only because they haven't done it.  TTAL is probably the better song though. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 01, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
How about they drop the last 3 songs from the main set, and add both TTaL and AtG to the set? That would be enough to get my attention!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2018, 02:37:50 PM
oh hell yea  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2018, 02:43:32 PM
Ehh..I've already seen To Tame A Land live.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2018, 02:58:10 PM
Yes, but that's only because you were alive and going to concerts back in the stone age when it was written and Maiden were playing it on their stone instruments as the opening act for Fred Flintstone's band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2018, 03:12:12 PM
(https://vot-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/GWR.jpg)

"He will take the Gom Jibbar"  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2018, 03:21:54 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 01, 2018, 03:41:21 PM
How about they drop the last 3 songs from the main set, and add both TTaL and AtG to the set? That would be enough to get my attention!

I'd be all for that.  By the way, is this tour coming to the U.S. at some point?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 01, 2018, 03:45:10 PM
Bit late on this, but thats a great setlist. Maiden were never going to get crazy with song selecrions, let's be honest. But the Blaze tracks, Icarus, Greater Good, Eagles etc. That's sweet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 02, 2018, 09:01:56 PM
If I find out that they're doing The Sign of the Cross, I'm going, no questions asked.   I've seen them do The Clansmen, and Bruce absolutely tore it up.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2018, 06:13:30 AM
Then you're going..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 03, 2018, 11:20:55 AM
Yea and even more a review I saw in Sweden gave that song 5 out of 5 and said it was one of the highlights of the evening sooo have fun Stadler.  :biggrin:

I'm bummed i'm missing Maiden this year, non of the dates in Scandinavia worked for me.  :-\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
Speaking of Sweden, Stockholm show here:
https://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=623098
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 03, 2018, 01:46:39 PM
Well, I know it's on the setlist now; I'm afraid it will be dropped here in the States for Wrathschild, or something equally obscure. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2018, 02:04:30 PM
Well, I know it's on the setlist now; I'm afraid it will be dropped here in the States for Wrathschild, or something equally obscure.

I believe it will make it. I also believe Wrathchild will make it too. :lol

I'll be shocked if For The Greater Good Of God survives.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 03, 2018, 02:11:20 PM
Ehh..I've already seen To Tame A Land live.  ;D ;D
It's unusual that I get to call somebody a cunt in this context, but you now qualify.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2018, 02:28:19 PM
Ehh..I've already seen To Tame A Land live.  ;D ;D
It's unusual that I get to call somebody a cunt in this context, but you now qualify.

Yup. A big hairy stinky one! :yarr
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 03, 2018, 08:41:14 PM
Technically, I think that makes me one too; it was the 10th song of the set when I saw them in October of '83 on the "World Piece" tour.  Thanks, setlist.fm!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 04, 2018, 07:15:07 AM
So cool seeing the plane moving forward over the first row:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhczyUE3tig
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2018, 08:39:44 AM
So cool seeing the plane moving forward over the first row:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhczyUE3tig

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2018, 03:30:32 PM
Love this video of Icarus. Great presentation. Bruce has a flamethrower!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPPvLUiGTGc
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 18, 2018, 12:32:33 PM
I played World of Tanks but not World of Warplanes, might have too check this out.

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Wargaming — the company behind free-to-play titles World Of Tanks (2010), World Of Warplanes (2013) and World Of Warships (2015) — has announced that IRON MAIDEN frontman Bruce Dickinson will host 10 online educational warplanes diaries. Launching today, this free-to-view series is set to be released weekly on the World Of Warplanes official portal and YouTube channel across June, July and August, alongside an exclusive World Of Warplanes video tribute to the classic IRON MAIDEN song "Aces High".
Bruce Dickinson Warplanes Diaries: Hawker Hurricane (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFAHC-KNIlo)
World of Warplanes | Aces High (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8NT3VGE3p8)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 18, 2018, 06:56:53 PM
Love this video of Icarus. Great presentation. Bruce has a flamethrower!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPPvLUiGTGc

Bruce is like a 12 year old boy in the best possible way.


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 27, 2018, 12:32:30 PM
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IRON Maiden are being sued for more than £2million for allegedly stealing some of their biggest-selling songs.
A High Court writ says the metal band ripped off lyrics in six tracks.
Ex-singer Dennis Willcock says he wrote five and musician Terry Wilson-Slesser claims his lyrics for 70s group Beckett were used on a sixth.
Named defendants are Maiden’s chief songwriter and bass player Steve Harris, guitarist Dave Murray and their publishing company Imagem.
Willcock quit the group in 1978 before they began recording seriously and later got a job in advertising.
He claims he turned his back on music and never knew his lyrics were used because he never listened to Maiden’s albums.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6634750/iron-maiden-lyric-law-suit-investigation/

Here we go again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2018, 12:35:30 PM
Quote
IRON Maiden are being sued for more than £2million for allegedly stealing some of their biggest-selling songs.
A High Court writ says the metal band ripped off lyrics in six tracks.
Ex-singer Dennis Willcock says he wrote five and musician Terry Wilson-Slesser claims his lyrics for 70s group Beckett were used on a sixth.
Named defendants are Maiden’s chief songwriter and bass player Steve Harris, guitarist Dave Murray and their publishing company Imagem.
Willcock quit the group in 1978 before they began recording seriously and later got a job in advertising.
He claims he turned his back on music and never knew his lyrics were used because he never listened to Maiden’s albums.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6634750/iron-maiden-lyric-law-suit-investigation/

Here we go again.

This is different from the lawsuit they just settled?  Or is this a money grab now because someone knows IM settled and maybe they think they can get a settlement?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 27, 2018, 12:37:42 PM
Where has all this been for forty years?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on June 27, 2018, 02:10:39 PM
Where has all this been for forty years?

Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing that he completely ignored a band that he played in for that long only to discover that some of his work was used. Smells like a money grab to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 27, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
Where has all this been for forty years?
Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing that he completely ignored a band that he played in for that long only to discover that some of his work was used. Smells like a money grab to me.
Definitely a money grab - in both instances. To believe that Wilcock had no clue about "his" song lyrics being used in those songs is a joke, even if he hadn't been in the band for all those years. Would be interesting to see how he proves that those are his lyrics, as opposed to Steve's, altho now that it's been established that Steve did claim other lyrics as his own, it definitely paints him as suspect.

I find it a joke that now, after the lawsuit has been settled regarding HBTN, that now yet another songwriter is just *now* speaking up and filing a separate lawsuit regarding the same song. The guy couldn't have been oblivious to the previous suit and probably held off figuring he could ring up more cash on his own, then join in the lawsuit of his former bandmate. Given that it's only a couple lines and they are not same, I'll be curious to see if this guy's lawsuit wins like his bandmate did.

That said, I think it's pathetic that Steve did essentially steal those lyrics and not give credit where credit's due. Just the same as with Led Zeppelin. Give credit where it's due. What Neil Peart did, just acknowledging Ayn Rand's influence on 2112 was the classy way to handle it. These guys should've done the same, or more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 28, 2018, 10:50:38 AM
it seems like stuff like this goes on much more frequently than we realize unfortunately, regardless of whether Willcock's claims are true in this particular instance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 28, 2018, 04:02:52 PM
If Steve Harris bothers you, you must not be a Cheap Trick fan then. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 30, 2018, 04:43:37 AM
It was amazing to see them in Hungary two days ago, the stage set was truly a sight to behold. Also, Sign of the cross. Nuff said.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Eldomm on July 10, 2018, 12:10:44 AM
Incredible performance Yesterday night in Milan, Italy. Probably the best show I have attended ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 10, 2018, 01:40:35 AM
Incredible performance Yesterday night in Milan, Italy. Probably the best show I have attended ever.

I was there too!!!!  :metal

Overall - I'd rank it as my third best Maiden show ever. Can't beat, also for sentimental reasons, the reunion tour in 1999, and the Somewhere Back in Time tour in 2008 when I got a chance to see - kinda - the World Slavery tour that I missed on account of being 5 years old, but this is one of the very best.

For the stage show, this was probably the best ever. They already had a fantastic show (the ramps and the backdrops and of course Eddie) but they reinvented it all and brought it to a new level, with the gigantic props like the plane for Aces High and the Icarus figure. Amazing attention to detail and theatrics, Bruce in his books talks about the "theater of the mind" for his idea of a stage show (he quoted the backdrop for Rime of the Ancient Mariner as an example) and this is the best theater they've ever put on.

For the personal viewing experience, sadly it sucked - it was a flat field, obviously more than crowded, and everyone around me is tall as me, or shorter than me, so I basically didn't see anything. I've seen the backdrops of course, and the upper part of the stage and the screens but with my own eyes I barely got a glimpse of the stage. I'm not even sure, photo camera side, if I saw with my own eyes all of the six band members. I wish this was in a closed venue where I could sit and see it all.

For those complaining about the setlist - of course everyone is entitled about their own expectations and tastes, but I'd say that Mike Portnoy spoiled you with all the amazing efforts he took in creating the setlists for DT. Iron Maiden are a traditional band that, while promoting the hell out of a new album, always played it safe and they never ever were a "let's play a b-side or a song never played live in 40 years" kind of band.

For a band that always plays the same songs, in a single show you got:
- A song that wasn't played since 2005
- A song that wasn't played since 1985
- Two songs from an era of the band that no one but the die hards care about
- The return of two classic songs in the encore that, albeit overplayed, were put aside since 5 years
- New backdrops and stage props for basically every song, even the most overplayed one which was removed from the usual and predictable place just before the last song of the main set

I mean, what more do you want? Alex the Great? Sun and Steel? Women in Uniform? they've never been that kind of band and they never will. Of course everyone is entitled, as I said, to not like this or that song but if you accept the reality of what a Maiden setlist has ALWAYS been, this setlist is beyond amazing.

I regret now not having seen them in the other italian date they had, nor having a chance to see them again in a week in north east Italy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 02, 2018, 04:50:55 PM
Just back from the show in Belfast tonight. Absolutely brilliant! The stage show is something to behold.

The setlist ticked a lot of boxes for me. There’s a lot of songs I really wanted to hear live: Revelations, Icarus, FTGGOG, Sign of the cross, and all didn’t disappoint.

I thought the crowd was reasonably subdued, until FOTD, which seemed to light the blue touch paper. Then the atmosphere built and built and was incredible by the last few songs.

I think I’m going to be in a high for a couple of days!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 03, 2018, 01:17:26 AM
I thought the crowd was reasonably subdued, until FOTD, which seemed to light the blue touch paper. Then the atmosphere built and built and was incredible by the last few songs.

If I had to pick the three songs that got the wildest reaction at my show, I'd pick Fear of the Dark, The Trooper and The Number of the Beast. I'm all for changing setlists but there's a reason why those songs get always played. It's what most people come for.

And I totally agree that the adrenaline rush of a Maiden concert lasts long after you've walked away from the venue  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TempusVox on August 03, 2018, 08:07:04 AM
Just back from the show in Belfast tonight. Absolutely brilliant! The stage show is something to behold.
I think I’m going to be in a high for a couple of days!  :metal

Greetings from Aberdeen! Vox Jr. and I were there in Belfast last night too! Great show! We're catching all of these last 7 dates in the UK. We just got out of the airport and headed to the hotel now. My ears are ringing a bit today. I forgot my ear plugs at the hotel, so hastily crammed a bunch of tissue in my ears. At my age, the duration of aftershow effects takes longer to subside without the added protection. Last year at Aberdeen i stood in the center of the stage at the rail sans any protection at all (I felt 19 again waiting in line outside the venue, and in an incredible lapse of judgement decided NOT to wear them, so therefore thought I was invincible), and it was a good solid week before things got back to normal.

I thought the crowd last night in the first part of the show was a bit less raucous than I expected too, however, looking around I think they were too busy filming and taking pictures. I felt that way at Metro Arena last Tuesday too. I think the stage set is so awesome, people are blown away and focused on everything thats going on. But once they got into it, they were into it. Did you happen to catch Nicko throwing a stick AT someone at the end of Icarus? It was stage left. He looked none to happy for a moment there.

I'm especially excited for tomorrow nights show. I caught them last year here and it was incredible (we travel to my ancestral homeland for about 2 weeks every year now, so the Missus and I caught six shows here on the island starting in Glasgow last year. Actually she caught the Glasgow show with me, and occupied her time reading, shopping, and doing spa things while I caught the rest by myself). The GE venue is a standing room only venue that holds about 8 thousand or so on a good day, and last year they split the arena, so it was even more intimate. I brought my kilt just for this event. Can't wait to roar with the crowd to The Clansman, in Scotland of all places.

Anyway, gonna grab some early dinner and some down time before the show. Up the Irons!  :metal

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 03, 2018, 09:51:43 AM
For those of you that have seen the show, is there a preferred seat/area?   Some of these productions, you can actually be TOO close; is that the case here?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 03, 2018, 09:52:55 AM
Vox, 7 dates?? Wow, that’s serious!

I didn’t notice the incident you mentioned with Nicko, but there was a point at the end where he came out  and threw his sticks into the crowd. I think he may have hit someone with them, cos there was a lot of apologetic hand waving going on.  :lol

Enjoy the show in Aberdeen, and if you’re ever in our neck of the woods again, give me a shout!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 03, 2018, 09:54:37 AM
For those of you that have seen the show, is there a preferred seat/area?   Some of these productions, you can actually be TOO close; is that the case here?

As middle as possible I'd say, there is a LOT of production this time around so the more you're at the center, the better . I wish I would have risked to be "too close" to the stage but I was quite far away in my open air arena when I saw them. Some let's call them "props" could work better seen very close, but the backgrounds work better when enjoyed from a little distance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 07, 2018, 10:50:13 AM
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IRON Maiden are being sued for more than £2million for allegedly stealing some of their biggest-selling songs.
A High Court writ says the metal band ripped off lyrics in six tracks.
Ex-singer Dennis Willcock says he wrote five and musician Terry Wilson-Slesser claims his lyrics for 70s group Beckett were used on a sixth.
Named defendants are Maiden’s chief songwriter and bass player Steve Harris, guitarist Dave Murray and their publishing company Imagem.
Willcock quit the group in 1978 before they began recording seriously and later got a job in advertising.
He claims he turned his back on music and never knew his lyrics were used because he never listened to Maiden’s albums.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6634750/iron-maiden-lyric-law-suit-investigation/

Here we go again.

This is different from the lawsuit they just settled?  Or is this a money grab now because someone knows IM settled and maybe they think they can get a settlement?

I know this is a couple months old, but the article seems to describe two different things.

One is similar to the lawsuit that recently settled.  In the settled lawsuit, the claim was that HBTN ripped off the Beckett song "Life's Shadow" ("Mark my words my soul lives on; Please don't worry cause I've have gone; I've gone beyond to see the truth. . . .  When your time is close at hand, Maybe then you'll understand; Life down there is just a strange illusion").  "Life's Shadow" was credited to Bob Barton and Brian Quinn (Barton being one of Beckett's guitarists, and Quinn apparently wasn't a member of the band).  Quinn claimed Barton made a deal with Maiden to cut Quinn out of his share of royalties.  The new lawsuit is filed by Beckett's singer, Terry Wilson-Slesser, and claims that HBTN ripped off another Beckett song, "Rainbow's End" (which Maiden actually covered as a b-side).  "Rainbow's End" features the following lyric:  "In the heat of the morning, When your day is still dawning, And your bird, she's singing, Catch your soul, he's willing to fly away."  The highlighted line is the only common lyric.

The separate lawsuit by Dennis Wilcock (apparently Maiden's singer before Di'Anno) alleges that Wilcock wrote lyrics for five songs that were released on Maiden's first two albums.

I don't know anything about English law to know whether there's any chance that either of these suits has any chance of succeeding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 07, 2018, 10:54:17 AM
On another note, I recently bought the 2-CD set for Live After Death, so for the first time since I threw away my old vinyl records 20+ years ago, I got to listen to "side 4," with the tracks that were recorded at Hammersmith.  That live version of "Phantom of the Opera" is so good!

I also noticed that Bruce messed up a LOT of lyrics, and the audience participation segment on "Running Free" wasn't nearly as annoying as I had remembered (probably because I usually skip it).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on August 07, 2018, 11:02:14 AM
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IRON Maiden are being sued for more than £2million for allegedly stealing some of their biggest-selling songs.
A High Court writ says the metal band ripped off lyrics in six tracks.
Ex-singer Dennis Willcock says he wrote five and musician Terry Wilson-Slesser claims his lyrics for 70s group Beckett were used on a sixth.
Named defendants are Maiden’s chief songwriter and bass player Steve Harris, guitarist Dave Murray and their publishing company Imagem.
Willcock quit the group in 1978 before they began recording seriously and later got a job in advertising.
He claims he turned his back on music and never knew his lyrics were used because he never listened to Maiden’s albums.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6634750/iron-maiden-lyric-law-suit-investigation/

Here we go again.

This is different from the lawsuit they just settled?  Or is this a money grab now because someone knows IM settled and maybe they think they can get a settlement?

I know this is a couple months old, but the article seems to describe two different things.

One is similar to the lawsuit that recently settled.  In the settled lawsuit, the claim was that HBTN ripped off the Beckett song "Life's Shadow" ("Mark my words my soul lives on; Please don't worry cause I've have gone; I've gone beyond to see the truth. . . .  When your time is close at hand, Maybe then you'll understand; Life down there is just a strange illusion").  "Life's Shadow" was credited to Bob Barton and Brian Quinn (Barton being one of Beckett's guitarists, and Quinn apparently wasn't a member of the band).  Quinn claimed Barton made a deal with Maiden to cut Quinn out of his share of royalties.  The new lawsuit is filed by Beckett's singer, Terry Wilson-Slesser, and claims that HBTN ripped off another Beckett song, "Rainbow's End" (which Maiden actually covered as a b-side).  "Rainbow's End" features the following lyric:  "In the heat of the morning, When your day is still dawning, And your bird, she's singing, Catch your soul, he's willing to fly away."  The highlighted line is the only common lyric.

The separate lawsuit by Dennis Wilcock (apparently Maiden's singer before Di'Anno) alleges that Wilcock wrote lyrics for five songs that were released on Maiden's first two albums.

I don't know anything about English law to know whether there's any chance that either of these suits has any chance of succeeding.

Maiden recently issued a response to the Dennis Wilcock lawsuit:  https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-responds-to-lawsuit-filed-by-former-singer-dennis-willcock/
Quote
In a formal written response to Willcock's legal action, IRON MAIDEN claims bassist Steve Harris, not Willcock, actually penned the lyrics in question. In addition, the band admits the songwriting credit on "Charlotte The Harlot" is wrong.

Since it first appeared on MAIDEN's debut LP, the track has been solely credited to guitarist Dave Murray. But in the documents served to the High Court, Harris and publisher Imagem state: "The lyrics for [the song] were written by Mr Harris in or around 1977 to accompany music written by Mr Murray, who had joined IRON MAIDEN in late 1976."

IRON MAIDEN has admitted that Willcock changed three words of "Prowler" and two of "Charlotte The Harlot" but has questioned whether he can remember writing them.

The band states: "[He] was, when he was a member of IRON MAIDEN, notorious for forgetting lyrics for the band's songs, or missing out words, or singing the wrong words. He… even had to sing from lyric sheets at live performances. Accordingly it is implausible that Mr Willcock can now remember lyrics he allegedly wrote some 40 years ago."

 :lol   The band feels that this is a bullshit lawsuit.

What's interesting that if you read the comments section, there is a lot of commenting from a "Barry McKay," who is the lawyer for Wilcock.  Not sure if that's someone trolling Blabbermouth or the real lawyer stooping low enough to get involved with Blabbermouth commenters. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2018, 12:38:05 PM
Considering his lawyer profession (not just being a lawyer, but being a copyright troll) I wouldn't be surprised if that is him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 07, 2018, 01:13:28 PM
There are not necessarily explicit rules to this, but his presence in the comments section seems to tip off his real intent here.   I'd hate to be in a courtroom and have to answer for comments/statements I made online in an open forum. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2018, 02:10:09 PM
There are not necessarily explicit rules to this, but his presence in the comments section seems to tip off his real intent here.   I'd hate to be in a courtroom and have to answer for comments/statements I made online in an open forum.

Yea I read through them, and he's pretty disrespectful, if it is him.  I find it pretty hard to believe a lawyer would hit up the comments on blabbermouth and speak his case publicly (don't people usually not make public comments when there is an active court case ongoing?).  But who knows, I'm not sure he shared anything specific to make me think he is real.  Either way, I find this suit to be a bit far fetching.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on August 07, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
McKay has a serious axe to grind. As I recall the actual songwriter from Beckett had settled with Maiden a while back. McKay's involvement was that he was their manager back in the day so he was entitled to 15% of what the band should have made. When that didn't happen he turned pretty bitter. At this point I think he just wants to stick it to Arry. I gather once this is through He'll dig up Thunderstick for the next round. Maybe Dennis Stratton. Or literally Clive Burr.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on August 08, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
Saw the show in Manchester and it’s quite possibly the best concert I’ve ever been to. Just an incredible setlist of wall to wall brilliance including the Blaze tunes which I love. Pretty hard to top as a Maiden set and the whole show and production were just flat out awesome. Bruce Dickinson at 60 years of age has twice the energy of frontmen half his age and sang his ass off on these songs from well over 30 years ago. Not sure I’ve ever heard him sing better. Simply amazing how Maiden seemingly get better every time I see them at the age they all are. They are the undisputed kings of metal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 08, 2018, 06:30:58 PM
I don’t know if this bootleg was posted here before, but I think it’s a really good one from this tour:
https://youtu.be/vTfoO7VPw9Y
We can really feel the power of the band. Great performance and Bruce is amazing... I can’t believe he’s 60 years old! I think Nicko is very impressive for his age too!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 09, 2018, 01:46:53 AM
Saw the show in Manchester and it’s quite possibly the best concert I’ve ever been to. Just an incredible setlist of wall to wall brilliance including the Blaze tunes which I love. Pretty hard to top as a Maiden set and the whole show and production were just flat out awesome. Bruce Dickinson at 60 years of age has twice the energy of frontmen half his age and sang his ass off on these songs from well over 30 years ago. Not sure I’ve ever heard him sing better. Simply amazing how Maiden seemingly get better every time I see them at the age they all are. They are the undisputed kings of metal.

It's been a week now since I saw them, and every day I'm still watching youtube videos of the gig to remind myself of just how great it was. I think this one will live long in the memory.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2018, 07:05:56 AM
They need to bring this to the US
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 09, 2018, 07:42:23 AM
They need to bring this to the US

I'm sure they will. It also sounds like they have at least one album left in them.

Also, Happy 60th Bruce!
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Post by: Zydar on August 09, 2018, 07:49:55 AM
Also, Happy 60th Bruce!

Oh, I missed that. It was apparently two days ago :metal

"Born in a mining town in '58".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 09, 2018, 07:51:53 AM
That’s is easily my favorite Bruce solo track.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 09, 2018, 08:37:04 AM
I celebrated it on my own FB page but I didn't post it here, but I can't refrain from joining in the belated celebrations for my personal hero and legend and his first 60 years  :metal

I've finished his autobiography, it's awesome. It's very laid back, one will be let down if goes into reading it hoping to hear juicy stories about Maiden (frankly the band in the latest chapter becomes just an afterthought with the albums and tours becoming just a fun vacation between flying), but it's an honest look inside the early life and then rise to stardom of one of the most phenomenal singers to ever grace a stage.

Loved the Sarajevo chapter and the one about the cancer, those were very deep. I also like how he didn't shy from commenting on embarassing things he did, like saying how he couldn't explain why with one of his early bands they were punching a giant Snoopy puppet on stage, on how he mistakenly said to a spanish audience "I am the best singer in the world" believing he was complimenting the crowd instead  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 09, 2018, 08:39:37 AM
I will sometimes look forward to a show once I have tickets, and certainly in the days before the show... but I can honestly say, I have not looked forward to seeing a band this far out - no dates yet, no tix, no nothing, just the PROMISE of a tour - since I was 25*.




* A really, REALLY long time ago. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on August 09, 2018, 09:17:08 AM
I will sometimes look forward to a show once I have tickets, and certainly in the days before the show... but I can honestly say, I have not looked forward to seeing a band this far out - no dates yet, no tix, no nothing, just the PROMISE of a tour - since I was 25*.




* A really, REALLY long time ago.

My concern with the next US tour is that it will be limited dates hitting only big markets which means unless the stars align I'll probably miss it. Seems like they alternate small and big US tours. Prove me wrong guys!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2018, 10:02:03 AM
If it's a dedicated US tour, then I'd expect a full one, but if they do an Ed Force One or some other form of a world tour hitting up lots of countries, then yea, I can see it only being the big markets in the US. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 09, 2018, 11:11:57 AM
I expect and assume that it will be a full blown US tour, with dates in South America and maybe Australia / India, and possibly selected and few european dates at festivals.

This tour is critically acclaimed everywhere and there's no way they won't make a gazillion money from it by hitting properly all of North America.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 17, 2018, 06:11:18 PM
Interesting behind the scenes with Kevin van Druten (https://youtu.be/C_KJHbDrjwA)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 20, 2018, 08:16:19 AM
Interesting behind the scenes with Kevin van Druten (https://youtu.be/C_KJHbDrjwA)

I watched the video with his brother Ken.
(Just busting on you).


I have no doubt that it was Dave Murray's rig that needed the bigger diaphragm.   :)   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on August 20, 2018, 09:26:52 AM
Watched Scream for Me Sarajevo over the weekend. Fantastic yet depressing film. Highly recommended. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 20, 2018, 08:57:28 PM
Interesting behind the scenes with Kevin van Druten (https://youtu.be/C_KJHbDrjwA)

"Hello, Newman..."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on August 21, 2018, 08:07:57 AM
I expect and assume that it will be a full blown US tour, with dates in South America and maybe Australia / India, and possibly selected and few european dates at festivals.

This tour is critically acclaimed everywhere and there's no way they won't make a gazillion money from it by hitting properly all of North America.

I hope so. I need to rejoin the Maiden fan club in advance of it. That was so worth it on the Book of Souls tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 21, 2018, 08:16:11 AM
I expect and assume that it will be a full blown US tour, with dates in South America and maybe Australia / India, and possibly selected and few european dates at festivals.

This tour is critically acclaimed everywhere and there's no way they won't make a gazillion money from it by hitting properly all of North America.

I hope so. I need to rejoin the Maiden fan club in advance of it. That was so worth it on the Book of Souls tour.

I've been doing that for each of the last 4 or 5 tours.  Just sign back up once they announce the dates so I can get my code and be on the floor.  It's also lead to me winning a first to the barrier and more awesomely, a trip onstage for Heaven Can Wait.  The Iron Maiden fan club is the only fan club I've ever paid for and I've gotten so much in return.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 25, 2018, 09:30:45 AM
I won't argue that being on stage with the band as they're actually playing is exceptionally awesome, but what I would love is a complete tour of the stage set.

Logistically it would be a bit of an issue - they build the stage, then the other bands have to soundcheck, they have to cover it, people start coming in etc etc.... but I would love, aside from going "who ho ho" next to Steve Harris on stage, to actually walk around it and take it all in. Concentrate on the details, looking at the floor design, climb up on the top, just taking notice of every single detail that makes up the stage.

Wasn't there talks about a possible Iron Maiden museum sometime in the future? I'd love for them to rent an hangar or something and then build there for walking and visiting pleasure their most famous stage sets, maybe scaled down a bit for convenience.

"Come here and walk on the Powerslave stage set and then head over the Maiden England stage set and then visit the Legacy of the Beast stage" would send me in "Shut up and take my money" mode immediately.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2018, 11:09:56 AM
That would be awesome, inside a hangar is a great idea too. 

And yea, the worst part about being on stage with them was how quick it all went, the sold out crowd, the music, the realization the band is right there playing.  It went by in a flash and I feel like there was so much more I wanted to look at and soak in.  Can't really complain, easily the best concert moment of my life.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 25, 2018, 11:34:32 AM
That would be awesome, inside a hangar is a great idea too. 

And yea, the worst part about being on stage with them was how quick it all went, the sold out crowd, the music, the realization the band is right there playing.  It went by in a flash and I feel like there was so much more I wanted to look at and soak in.  Can't really complain, easily the best concert moment of my life.

It actually does go by faster when you're watching from the side. Battlecross set went by like in 10 sec. I remember the guitarist giving me a beer, we all went up who were gonna watch, basically their friends and me (I pledged on Indigogo to support them on Mayhem, guess I was the only one from New Mexico). I still have that picture...it was amazing.


I'd be in total disbelief the whole time for Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 29, 2018, 06:02:32 AM
I saw this list of Maiden album tracks that have never been performed live. Can anyone confirm the accuracy of it?

Killers:
1. Prodigal Son

The Number of the Beast:
2. Invaders
3. Gangland

Piece of Mind:
4. Quest for Fire
5. Sun and Steel

Powerslave:
6. Flash of the Blade
7. The Duellists

Somewhere in Time:
8. Deja-Vu
9. Alexander The Great

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son:
10. The Prophecy
11. Only the Good Die Young

No Prayer for the Dying:
12. Fates Warning
13. Run Silent Run Deep
14. Mother Russia

Fear of the Dark:
15. Fear is the Key
16. Childhood's End
17. The Fugitive
18. Chains of Misery
19. The Apparition
20. Judas Be My Guide
21. Weekend Warrior

The X-Factor:
22. Look for the Truth
23. Judgement of Heaven
24. 2 A.M.
25. The Unbeliever

Virtual XI:
26. Como Estais Amigos

Brave New World:
27. The Nomad
28. The Thin Line between Love and Hate

Dance of Death:
29. Montségur
30. Gates of Tomorrow
31. New Frontier
32. Face in the Sand
33. Age of Innocence

The Final Frontier:
34. Mother of Mercy
35. The Alchemist
36. Isle of Avalon
37. Starblind
38. The Man Who Would Be King

The Book of Souls:
39. When the River Runs Deep
40. Shadows of the Valley
41. The Man of Sorrows
42. Empire of the Clouds
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on September 29, 2018, 06:05:58 AM
How have they not played Flash of the Blade live? WTF?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 29, 2018, 06:20:30 AM
Sooo many great ones.  :-\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 29, 2018, 06:32:51 AM
I don't think they played Back in the Village either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2018, 06:43:55 AM
I don't think they played Back in the Village either.

Aside from this, I think the list is pretty accurate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 29, 2018, 08:24:31 AM
No Invaders? Are you kidding me??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on September 29, 2018, 08:35:36 AM
I don't think they played Back in the Village either.

Aside from this, I think the list is pretty accurate.

IIRC it got played at like a show or two and then dropped. Same with one of the tracks from Somewhere in Time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on September 29, 2018, 01:05:08 PM
I don't think they played Back in the Village either.

Aside from this, I think the list is pretty accurate.

IIRC it got played at like a show or two and then dropped. Same with one of the tracks from Somewhere in Time.

No, I'm pretty sure it has never been played. I'll double check, but I'm almost 100% sure.

Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner was played only once, in Belgrade.

But yeah, not counting Back in the Village, the list is correct. I also checked B-sides and well, only Invasion, Burning Ambition and I Got the Fire (and Total Eclipse) have been performed out of those.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on September 29, 2018, 01:29:35 PM
They could make a great "we never played these songs live" tour setlist from that. A lot of great songs I am surprised they never played.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on September 29, 2018, 04:22:40 PM
I just find it amazing that they never pulled any of these out after the fact. I can see not playing every song from an album on that album’s tour due to time constraints, but it’s always cool when a band plays those songs on later tours. It makes it feel like they’re still touring for that album somewhat. What makes certain bands so unwilling to play rare or unplayed songs? The biggest mystery in the universe in my opinion...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on September 29, 2018, 06:52:06 PM
Hey, and Virus has never been played live neither! One of the two singles that has not been played live (and Empire of the Clouds single release was a Record Store Day gimmick anyway). Well, I don't personally care about that song that much, it feels like it's a mish-mash of parts that don't necessarily fit that well together. The fast section is quite cool though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
Doesn't Harry have a "rule" that if it wasn't played at least once on the initial tour of that album , it never gets played?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 29, 2018, 09:06:36 PM
Doesn't Harry have a "rule" that if it wasn't played at least once on the initial tour of that album , it never gets played?

This was my understanding as well.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 30, 2018, 02:26:58 AM
Doesn't Harry have a "rule" that if it wasn't played at least once on the initial tour of that album , it never gets played?

Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. So many great songs go to waste because of that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 30, 2018, 02:38:18 AM
They could make a great "we never played these songs live" tour setlist from that. A lot of great songs I am surprised they never played.

You're welcome.

(intro tape)
Invaders
Flash of the Blade
The Alchemist
Run Silent, Run Deep
2 A.M.
Montsegur
Mother Russia
Shadows of the Valley
Judas Be My Guide
Isle of Avalon
Sun and Steel
The Nomad
Iron Maiden (because yes)
=============
Alexander the Great (Happy now? geez)
When the River Runs Deep
Only the Good Die Young
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 30, 2018, 03:04:04 AM
That's a fine setlist.

Judas Be My Guide and Only The Good Die Young :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 30, 2018, 04:49:23 AM
Hey, and Virus has never been played live neither! One of the two singles that has not been played live (and Empire of the Clouds single release was a Record Store Day gimmick anyway). Well, I don't personally care about that song that much, it feels like it's a mish-mash of parts that don't necessarily fit that well together. The fast section is quite cool though.

A strong contender for Maiden's worst song. The intro seems to last FOREVER, the guitars are thin, lyrics are bad, and the solos are cut and paste. I remember seeing the video when it came out, scratching my head a bit and thinking "man, what happened to Maiden?"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 30, 2018, 05:22:27 AM
Anyway, I don't usually do cover bands, but yesterday I saw a Maiden cover band that presented the entire Legacy of the Beast show: they played the exact same setlist, and even with the blatant low budget, they managed to recreate as best as they could the backdrops and the costumes, it was tasteful and not corny at all. Also, my cousin and her boyfriend didn't manage to see the actual show for budget reasons so I figured a nice evening together just to gave them a taste of what they missed was fine.

Reliving the show made me think about these points:
- Man, the show and setlist were REALLY good. One of their best shows ever, and given their setlist history, the most daring and innovative one as it could be reasonably expected.
- The solo sections are incredibily well constructed. Sure, Maiden have the repetitive chorus problem, but when they go prog, they create great solo sections (such as Sign of the Cross') which are more cohesive within the song than some of our own Dream Theater solo sections of past albums.
- The trademark stuff of Maiden - the gallop rhytm for example - is sure as hell recognizable, but it works in every song. The fast pace of the shorter tunes and the epic atmosphere of the most recent ones, expecially the reunion era, always manage to get the songs going.

Also, I think it was a bit daring for a cover band to pull out stuff like Sign of the Cross and For the Greater Good of God, usually people want to see a classics galore, but they were well received. The Clansman anyway beat them both, even if it's a Blaze song, everyone was singing along, also to the guitar melodies.

And, no matter if it's the real band or a cover band, Fear of the Dark, The Trooper and The Number of the Beast I guess will always get the best reaction from the crowd.
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Post by: TAC on September 30, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
Who was it and where. Maybe some of it’s on YouTube?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 30, 2018, 01:11:33 PM
Yay 100 pages!

Doesn't Harry have a "rule" that if it wasn't played at least once on the initial tour of that album , it never gets played?

Ha self-imposed "rules."

Not sure if this is a bird walk, but Doctor Doctor might be a top 10 IM song for me. (Yes I know it's a UFO song...). Hearing it come on the PA for my first IM concert, man that pumped me up. It was weird because I would have sworn I knew the song, (I was singing along with the chorus!) but couldn't for the life of me place it. At my first IM show, I wasn't as big a fan as I am now and didn't know their discography inside and out. What album was this from anyway?! And why doesn't it sound like BRuce singing? I was also aware of UFO as a band, but couldn't have told you anything about them, including that it was originally their song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2018, 01:27:50 PM
I was also aware of UFO as a band, but couldn't have told you anything about them, including that it was originally their song.

Until I heard of Dream Theater, UFO were my co-favorite band with Iron Maiden.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 30, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Who was it and where. Maybe some of it’s on YouTube?

Nah, I checked and nothing's there, it was a gig in a small bar anyway (well, the bar wasn't that small, the stage was).

EDIT: Found a video of Fear of the Dark, they covered the stained glass windows which were present, as you can see the singer found a copy of Bruce's clothes : D

https://www.facebook.com/astarte.diabula.75?hc_ref=ARQ-88bTK-l0BcwhCLd4nvUloi-M3_e5XmlfyPAyoHxorbFIV0UQUs49zaDMXF4wDhY&fref=nf

(And I am front row there, hehe)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 30, 2018, 05:07:05 PM
Damn. That is a small stage.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2018, 05:10:52 PM
Who was it and where. Maybe some of it’s on YouTube?

Nah, I checked and nothing's there, it was a gig in a small bar anyway (well, the bar wasn't that small, the stage was).

EDIT: Found a video of Fear of the Dark, they covered the stained glass windows which were present, as you can see the singer found a copy of Bruce's clothes : D

https://www.facebook.com/astarte.diabula.75?hc_ref=ARQ-88bTK-l0BcwhCLd4nvUloi-M3_e5XmlfyPAyoHxorbFIV0UQUs49zaDMXF4wDhY&fref=nf

(And I am front row there, hehe)

It's a facebook page. I don't see the video.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 30, 2018, 05:28:20 PM
Who was it and where. Maybe some of it’s on YouTube?

Nah, I checked and nothing's there, it was a gig in a small bar anyway (well, the bar wasn't that small, the stage was).

EDIT: Found a video of Fear of the Dark, they covered the stained glass windows which were present, as you can see the singer found a copy of Bruce's clothes : D

https://www.facebook.com/astarte.diabula.75?hc_ref=ARQ-88bTK-l0BcwhCLd4nvUloi-M3_e5XmlfyPAyoHxorbFIV0UQUs49zaDMXF4wDhY&fref=nf

(And I am front row there, hehe)

It's a facebook page. I don't see the video.

Scroll down.
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Post by: TAC on September 30, 2018, 05:30:12 PM
Do I have to sign in?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2018, 01:07:46 AM
Nope, it's public, so you should be able to see it even without logging in...

Damn. That is a small stage.

Sure it is, and of course from a YT video it looks cheap and "sad". But when you're there enjoying the tunes and seeing the musicians play the Maiden songs and solos right in your face, you don't really mind. I've even seen an actual band playing there, and it was great to be so near to the point that, as encouraged to do so by the bass player and backup singer, I could grab his microphone and sing along  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2018, 03:49:21 AM
Yay 100 pages!

Doesn't Harry have a "rule" that if it wasn't played at least once on the initial tour of that album , it never gets played?

Ha self-imposed "rules."

Not sure if this is a bird walk, but Doctor Doctor might be a top 10 IM song for me. (Yes I know it's a UFO song...). Hearing it come on the PA for my first IM concert, man that pumped me up. It was weird because I would have sworn I knew the song, (I was singing along with the chorus!) but couldn't for the life of me place it. At my first IM show, I wasn't as big a fan as I am now and didn't know their discography inside and out. What album was this from anyway?! And why doesn't it sound like BRuce singing? I was also aware of UFO as a band, but couldn't have told you anything about them, including that it was originally their song.

Blaze does a great job on Doctor Doctor.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on October 01, 2018, 06:33:07 AM
I was just playing best of the b sides from Eddies Archive a couple of weeks ago. A few weaker songs on there but lots of cool songs and lots of cool covers, including Doctor Doctor. Reach out and That Girl are songs that you wouldn’t expect from Iron Maiden and definitely sound out of place for the band, but they work really well. Futureal with Bruce on vocals is kick ass too!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 01, 2018, 06:34:58 AM
I just saw pictures of a semi-nude woman apparently named "Ass-tart Diablo".  I did not see any Iron Maiden cover band. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 01, 2018, 02:53:16 PM
I just saw pictures of a semi-nude woman apparently named "Ass-tart Diablo".  I did not see any Iron Maiden cover band.

Right.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 03, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
I was just playing best of the b sides from Eddies Archive a couple of weeks ago. A few weaker songs on there but lots of cool songs and lots of cool covers, including Doctor Doctor. Reach out and That Girl are songs that you wouldn’t expect from Iron Maiden and definitely sound out of place for the band, but they work really well. Futureal with Bruce on vocals is kick ass too!
Yea all those are nice gems!  :tup

Btw I recently heard their take on Hocus Pocus.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 03, 2018, 04:59:34 PM
For some reason I never saw this before, but God damn, Bruce!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLhf8caVIiI
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2018, 05:01:41 PM
For some reason I never saw this before, but God damn, Bruce!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLhf8caVIiI

wow he is such a boss in this  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2018, 05:55:02 PM
For some reason I never saw this before, but God damn, Bruce!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLhf8caVIiI

Yeah that's awesome. I've seen that before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on October 03, 2018, 11:40:50 PM
I've never seen that before. Too bad it was so short.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 04, 2018, 10:55:30 AM
There's more out there, including a full performance of Jerusalem with Ian Anderson, which is even better than the little jam on Revelations.  It's amazing to hear him belt that without being near the microphone though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 04, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
There's also clips out there of Bruce rehearsing Deep Purple's Concerto.

At this point I'd love to have a solo album by Bruce called "Whatever I Felt Like Singing this Morning". With the contents of the album being true to the title.

Just sing anything Bruce, please, and let us hear it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 04, 2018, 12:33:21 PM
There's also clips out there of Bruce rehearsing Deep Purple's Concerto.

At this point I'd love to have a solo album by Bruce called "Whatever I Felt Like Singing this Morning". With the contents of the album being true to the title.

Just sing anything Bruce, please, and let us hear it.

And add Roy Z, I would love so much for Bruce to make more solo music.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 04, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
For some reason I never saw this before, but God damn, Bruce!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLhf8caVIiI

Yeah, this is great, but what's up with his moves  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 04, 2018, 06:51:37 PM
I really liked the Jerusalem; that glissando at 3:47 sent a chill up my arms.

I've told this story before but it's worth retelling.  I saw Maiden on the '83 Piece of Mind tour.  I was one or two rows up on the left side of the stage.  The band opened with "Where Eagles Dare" and Bruce's mic wasn't working.  We could actually hear him singing - albeit very very faintly, and only on the high parts like "in the night" - over the band.  After the first verse he came over to our side of the stage and was yelling at someone, then he ran out and a few seconds later the mic came back on.   I've heard singers "raw" at shows - Michael Stipe, Candace Night and Gene Simmons (though I was on stage then) come to mind - but nothing even close to that.   

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Bentower on October 04, 2018, 11:17:20 PM
For some reason I never saw this before, but God damn, Bruce!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLhf8caVIiI

Yeah, this is great, but what's up with his moves  :lol

I kept thinking about the straitjacketed Eddie on the cover of Piece of Mind.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 05, 2018, 04:52:29 AM
Your welcome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j47favm8aA
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on October 19, 2018, 07:00:41 AM
Iron Maiden is re-releasing their catalog with the 2015 Remasters. Has anyone heard the Remasters? Would this be worth the purchase?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 19, 2018, 07:12:41 AM
Iron Maiden is re-releasing their catalog with the 2015 Remasters. Has anyone heard the Remasters? Would this be worth the purchase?

I haven't heard them, but I know that they were put out on iTunes in 2015 and marketed as "remastered for iTunes," which makes me think that they were just remastered for MP3/mobile listening.  I've been tempted to find them since I do the majority of my listening now from my phone or computer.

I'm sure you can find them in the iTunes store and sample them.  Beyond that, maybe someone else can be more specific?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 20, 2018, 12:13:10 AM
Steve said he thinks these are the best they've sounded. Curious to hear DoD particularly as i love it but the mastering on the original is nasty.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on October 20, 2018, 11:02:38 AM
Will the remasters include booklets?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 21, 2018, 04:14:30 AM
If these remasters have noticeable sound differences, I'm temped to get them all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on October 21, 2018, 05:55:53 AM
I thought I typed up a post here about the new remasters but apparently not. I’ve heard almost all of them on vinyl, I’m assuming the CDs will be very similar (maybe just slightly more compressed). If that’s the case, here is what I recommend (in order of priority):

Dance of Death - Not heavily distorted the way the original was. That awful crunch is gone and the music breathes a bit more. The album is finally listenable.

Fear of the Dark - better than the original CD release. I haven’t heard the 98 version but knowing the general quality of those remasters, it’s probably better than that one too.

X Factor/Virtual XI - These albums obviously had a lot of mixing problems which aren’t fixed here, but the mastering is slightly better. They’re a bit more balanced and Virtual XI isn’t as brick walled.

The other reunion albums are fine, definitely a slight improvement but I doubt most people will be able to tell the difference. The original mastering on those albums is fine anyway. No Prayer on vinyl was a bit compressed so I would stay away from it if you have the original CD. Same goes for the 80s albums, they were a bit more inconsistent in quality. That being said, if all you have are the CDs released in 1998, these new ones would probably be an improvement (especially SIT and Seventh Son). Of course you can also just download them right now on iTunes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 21, 2018, 03:45:24 PM
Thanks Mosh, sounds quite positive then.  I would be interested to see if the cd's have booklets also, I have a feeling they won't though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 21, 2018, 04:00:29 PM
I'm not buying anything a second time. I've never had a problem with any of their albums.

How many fucking remasters are Iron Maiden going to tempt their fans into paying for? What's this, like the 4th or 5th time they've rereleased their catalog? 

I love Iron Maiden, and have always thought they were cool, but I hate this shit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 21, 2018, 08:56:52 PM
I'm not buying anything a second time. I've never had a problem with any of their albums.

How many fucking remasters are Iron Maiden going to tempt their fans into paying for? What's this, like the 4th or 5th time they've rereleased their catalog? 

I love Iron Maiden, and have always thought they were cool, but I hate this shit.

But, but, you can get a box and a figurine!

https://ironmaiden.com/news/article/the-studio-collection-remastered
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 21, 2018, 09:31:12 PM
I'm not buying anything a second time. I've never had a problem with any of their albums.

How many fucking remasters are Iron Maiden going to tempt their fans into paying for? What's this, like the 4th or 5th time they've rereleased their catalog? 

I love Iron Maiden, and have always thought they were cool, but I hate this shit.

Kind of on board with this too.   I bought the Castle remasters because I wanted the b-sides (they came with a bonus disk) but while I've listened to a couple of the enhanced ones, they weren't that different, and there wasn't anything new, so I passed then like I'm probably going to pass now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on October 21, 2018, 10:03:00 PM
I have never bought different versions/masters/editions of the same album, and the thought has never once crossed my mind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on October 21, 2018, 10:17:06 PM
I'm not buying anything a second time. I've never had a problem with any of their albums.

How many fucking remasters are Iron Maiden going to tempt their fans into paying for? What's this, like the 4th or 5th time they've rereleased their catalog? 

I love Iron Maiden, and have always thought they were cool, but I hate this shit.

Kind of on board with this too.   I bought the Castle remasters because I wanted the b-sides (they came with a bonus disk) but while I've listened to a couple of the enhanced ones, they weren't that different, and there wasn't anything new, so I passed then like I'm probably going to pass now.

Well the Castle albums are the ones to have. Too bad they are so rare.

I want to clear up something though. Those Castle CDs are not remasters. Those are the same source as the original CD masters released in the 80s and 90s. Maiden's catalog was only remastered for CD once, in 1998 (those are the ones that have the enhanced CDs). I think that set of remasters was reprinted shortly after on a different label, but those have been the most recent CD releases until now. The versions of the albums that you and TAC are referring to are the originals and still the best way to hear Maiden on CD, probably including this upcoming set. So yea, if you have those then there's no point in these (other than Dance of Death).

I'm not an audiophile but I definitely hear a difference in the 98 remasters and it's not an improvement. They actually killed the dynamics and it especially ruins Piece of Mind through Seventh Son. If this is your only experience with 80s Maiden, I highly recommend checking out the original albums on vinyl or CD. These new masters aren't a bad alternative either though. It might be a cynical cash grab, but I'm glad the 98 versions will no longer be the standard.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on October 21, 2018, 10:50:57 PM
Maiden's catalog was only remastered for CD once, in 1998 (those are the ones that have the enhanced CDs).

Are those the ones that have the picture of Eddie on the spine? I have those. And, well, yeah, those are the only ones I am ever going to have.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 22, 2018, 05:30:02 AM
Maiden's catalog was only remastered for CD once, in 1998 (those are the ones that have the enhanced CDs).

Are those the ones that have the picture of Eddie on the spine? I have those. And, well, yeah, those are the only ones I am ever going to have.

Yeah.  Those are the only ones I have too.  A bit of a revelation that these versions actually hinder the sound of the originals.  Im still tempted to jump on these.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on October 22, 2018, 07:05:29 AM
I have the remastered one with the Eddie spine. Those are my first and only experience with Maiden's CDs. I'm now intrigued by these Castle editions. As far as the new ones go the only ones I'll think of picking up will probably be the last set with the Bruce II era albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 22, 2018, 07:40:00 AM
I also only have the remasters with the Eddie spine, but have no desire to buy any other edition. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on October 22, 2018, 07:53:32 AM
I also have the remasters with the Eddie spine, but I will probably buy the other stuff if it means better sound.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 22, 2018, 04:27:03 PM
I actually don't have much of the Iron Maiden catalog on CD, because I got into them before I cared about physical media. So I would consider getting at least some of these (especially Dance of Death if it's as Mosh says).

I am disappointed that they didn't include Total Eclipse, though. I get that it wasn't on the original release, but it's part of the album for me and probably for a lot of people who got into them after 1998. True of Sanctuary and Twilight Zone, too, I guess, but I wouldn't miss them nearly as much as Total Eclipse, which is just an awesome track.

I also think it would be nice if they gave Dance of Death new artwork. Nothing out of the ordinary, maybe just a stripped down version of the original... but something other than the disaster that was on the original release.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 22, 2018, 05:29:43 PM
I actually don't have much of the Iron Maiden catalog on CD, because I got into them before I cared about physical media. So I would consider getting at least some of these (especially Dance of Death if it's as Mosh says).

I am disappointed that they didn't include Total Eclipse, though. I get that it wasn't on the original release, but it's part of the album for me and probably for a lot of people who got into them after 1998. True of Sanctuary and Twilight Zone, too, I guess, but I wouldn't miss them nearly as much as Total Eclipse, which is just an awesome track.

I also think it would be nice if they gave Dance of Death new artwork. Nothing out of the ordinary, maybe just a stripped down version of the original... but something other than the disaster that was on the original release.

I think it's the single artwork of DOD that would be better, if it's official, where it's just Eddie without all the other freaks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 22, 2018, 05:42:04 PM
I found this years ago and it is what I use for artwork on my digital files.

(https://lastfm-img2.akamaized.net/i/u/770x0/f828e8abb66a4c17cca3c3e70c323be8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2018, 05:44:23 PM
It looks like those 4 dudes are going to come out in a line dance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 22, 2018, 06:21:23 PM
I like that cover a lot better. I'm going to use that as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 22, 2018, 06:50:37 PM
Yes, that's a good version! I may use it myself, thanks. It would nice if they used that for the new release. There's no way the band could look back 15 years later and say that the version they went with is a good cover.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 22, 2018, 07:32:01 PM
It looks like those 4 dudes are going to come out in a line dance.

Line dance of death?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2018, 07:38:57 PM
 :lol

Exactly!

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/pop.h-cdn.co/assets/17/24/640x320/landscape-1497533116-not-dead.gif?resize=640:*)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 22, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
 :lol Perfect!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 23, 2018, 05:04:31 AM
I'm usually not a fan of bands releasing alternate album covers on remastered editions. They already unnecessarily changed the debut and No prayer for the dying. However, a new version of Dance of death album cover would be welcome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2018, 05:33:15 AM
I never understood the resson behind the new No Prayer cover.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 23, 2018, 05:51:03 AM
I never understood the resson behind the new No Prayer cover.

I may be wrong but Derek Riggs was unhappy with how quick he had to come up with the cover, and the dude strangled by Eddie was the least interesting thing of it all and therefore was cropped out / dropped.

What is more baffling is that they didn't come up with a new cover for Dance of Death eventually.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 23, 2018, 05:53:57 AM
I never understood the resson behind the new No Prayer cover.

The gravedigger figure was supposedly a caricature of Rod Smallwood. Smallwood never liked it, and when the remasters gave him the opportunity to do so, he had the cover changed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on October 23, 2018, 06:00:57 AM
Here is what they should do:

Release all the albums as blu ray versions, including a DTS HD Audio 5.1 version of the original album. Also included would be the original mix, all the music videos for that particular album, a commentary track, and a switchable alternate artwork sleeve for every album!

I could get behind this!

Oh yeah, and the artwork for Dance of Death is a joke. :biggrin: Doesn't take anything away form the album though, it's really good!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 23, 2018, 11:29:09 AM
I actually don't have much of the Iron Maiden catalog on CD, because I got into them before I cared about physical media. So I would consider getting at least some of these (especially Dance of Death if it's as Mosh says).

I am disappointed that they didn't include Total Eclipse, though. I get that it wasn't on the original release, but it's part of the album for me and probably for a lot of people who got into them after 1998. True of Sanctuary and Twilight Zone, too, I guess, but I wouldn't miss them nearly as much as Total Eclipse, which is just an awesome track.

I also think it would be nice if they gave Dance of Death new artwork. Nothing out of the ordinary, maybe just a stripped down version of the original... but something other than the disaster that was on the original release.

If memory serves, the '98 remaster had Total Eclipse in there (I think it had  Gangland as well).   The Castle versions had a second disk with all the b-sides - for Number, it had Total Eclipse and the live Remember Tomorrow (allegedly from a very early show in Italy, though rumor has it, it's Bruce overdubbed over the Maiden Japan instrumental track) - though, oddly, they also inserted Sanctuary and Twilight Zone into the main disk. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 23, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
Your memory does serve you well. The 1998 versions, which as far as I know are the versions that have seen by far the widest distribution over the last 20 years, insert Sanctuary, Twilight Zone and Total Eclipse into the main tracklists of the first three albums, respectively (Sanctuary as track 2, Twilight Zone as track 10 and Total Eclipse as track 8).

And for those of us who got into the band since 1998, there is a very good chance that we became familiar with those versions of the albums, with those three songs added into the original tracklisting.

I get that, technically, those songs are not part of the albums as they were originally conceived and released. But for me, the only versions of those three albums I have ever known are the versions that do include those songs.

That's why I would have liked it if those songs, especially Total Eclipse, had been included on the newest remasters. Even if they had not been placed in the track order, but had instead been placed at the end, as bonus tracks. I bet there are a lot of younger Maiden fans for whom it will feel strange not to have them there at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 23, 2018, 02:02:08 PM
Add me to the list who doesn't know what TNOTB is like without Total Eclipse
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2018, 02:15:29 PM
I do! ;D


For the life of me, I cannot understand the fascination of Total Eclipse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on October 23, 2018, 02:35:52 PM
I would never typically say there is too much Maiden. But I seriously don't want to re-buy this catalog of records.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 23, 2018, 02:38:59 PM
I do! ;D


For the life of me, I cannot understand the fascination of Total Eclipse.

For me, I don't really care for the song too much.  It is a nice change of pace song on the album, but really doesn't do much for me.  But I am just used to it being there and without it the album would feel a bit short.

I would never typically say there is too much Maiden. But I seriously don't want to re-buy this catalog of records.

IM are my favorite band but I dont want to re-buy and I won't.  It really is of no interest to me.  Maybe DOD if people said it fixed the sound.  But even then, I just get so used to what I've listened to that even a better sounding album, might still just through my ears off.  It's not worth paying for that IMO.  Usually I find nothing sounds better than what I've grown used to.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 23, 2018, 02:51:27 PM
I do! ;D


For the life of me, I cannot understand the fascination of Total Eclipse.

I often list it as my favorite Maiden song of all time.   Of course the top three or five vary but it's always in there.  For whatever reason, I LOVE that song (though full disclosure, I'm sure part of it was the thrill of having that b-side from the UK import of Run To The Hills).  Plus, Dickinson is a beast on that song (no pun intended). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2018, 02:54:45 PM
I had the 45 so I was on it too. It has just never connected with me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on October 23, 2018, 03:44:06 PM
I do! ;D


For the life of me, I cannot understand the fascination of Total Eclipse.

Ditto.  I heard a bunch of the Maiden B-sides back in the 80s.  I would say "Cross-Eyed Mary" is the best one I've heard.  "The Sheriff of Huddersfield" might be my favorite because of the humor.  I don't think I ever heard "Total Eclipse" before this calendar year, and I was rather unimpressed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2018, 03:58:46 PM
I always thought Cross Eyed Mary was pretty bad. I've Got the Fire KILLS!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2018, 04:33:48 PM
I never understood the resson behind the new No Prayer cover.

The gravedigger figure was supposedly a caricature of Rod Smallwood. Smallwood never liked it, and when the remasters gave him the opportunity to do so, he had the cover changed.

Interesting.


I do! ;D


For the life of me, I cannot understand the fascination of Total Eclipse.

Something really different from Maiden and just a rocking song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on October 24, 2018, 06:38:28 AM
My first exposure to NOTB was also the 1998 remasters and I never realised Total Eclipse wasn’t a proper album track, certainly doesn’t sound like an inferior song. Funnily enough, I only learned that it was not an album track when I bought the Dream Theater cover album and wondered why DT hadn’t played it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Eldomm on October 24, 2018, 09:25:27 AM
I do! ;D


For the life of me, I cannot understand the fascination of Total Eclipse.

+1
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 08:06:52 AM
YES!!!

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09 - Sacramento, CA, USA - Golden 1 Center
10 - Oakland, CA, USA - Oracle Arena
13 - Las Vegas, NV, USA - MGM Grand Garden Arena
14 - Los Angeles, CA, USA - Banc of California Stadium
17 - Phoenix, AZ, USA - Talking Stick Resort Arena
19 - Albuquerque, NM, USA - Isleta Amphitheater
21 - Dallas, TX, USA - Dos Equis Pavilion
22 - Houston, TX, USA - The Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion

25 - San Antonio, TX, USA – AT&T Center
29 - Mexico City, MEXICO – Sports Palace

October 2019
04 – Rio de Janeiro, BRAZIL – Rock In Rio
12 - Buenos Aires, ARGENTINA - Velez Sarsfield Stadium
15 - Santiago, CHILE - Estadio Nacional

No further countries will be added to above touring schedule.

On-sale from Nov 16th
Pre-sale from Nov 12th

Support on the 2019 tour comes from The Raven Age

Additionally, Fozzy will be Guests for the Banc of California Stadium show in LA
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Post by: 425 on November 09, 2018, 08:13:30 AM
Awesome, looks like I'll probably be able to make it!

Also, from the website:

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Steve Harris adds,

“We gave a lot of thought to the set list for this Tour as the songs needed to follow the narrative of the changing worlds of the stage show. We feel we ended up with a very strong and well balanced set mixing songs we haven’t played in many years like Flight Of Icarus, Sign Of The Cross and The Clansman with songs we know the fans want to hear like The Trooper, 2 Minutes To Midnight, The Number Of The Beast, Fear Of The Dark, Run To The Hills, Hallowed Be Thy Name and others, reflecting the journey through the different themes of the show. The whole band is really enjoying this tour and we are really looking forward to seeing everybody again!”

I hope this means that they are going to keep a lot of the deep cuts they played on the European tour. I know that they've sometimes watered down setlists for U.S. audiences that apparently get mad at anything that's not The Trooper played 15 times. A LOT of my favorites are on that European setlist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 09, 2018, 08:59:41 AM
Wow.  The Los Angeles show is in a venue that I have never heard of.  Looks like it is in an outdoor soccer (football) stadium.  It just opened this year and it is on the grounds of the old Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena.  With Chris Jericho's Fozzy opening???  I feel like I have to get a ticket now.  I was on the bubble based on venue location, but now I feel I have to get a ticket to see this show.  Probably would have to fight and claw my way to get access to buy tickets.  How much does Maiden typically go for in ticket prices?  Like around $60-70 for non-GA and $100+ for GA?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 09, 2018, 09:07:45 AM
The spoiled brat in me hoped for a short second Europe run, which was totally doable btw in June given the schedule.

Anyway, people over the pond, now it's your turn to see one of their best shows ever!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 09, 2018, 09:22:01 AM
Got my FC membership renewed. Can't wait. Time to up the irons!!!   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 09, 2018, 09:36:55 AM
Ugh, the IL date is in Tinley Park. The worst venue around. Probably don't have the cash anyway, but that venue is pretty much an automatic no for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 09:38:48 AM
Got my FC membership renewed. Can't wait. Time to up the irons!!!   :metal

I'll be renewing mine as well
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on November 09, 2018, 09:40:05 AM
Ugh, the IL date is in Tinley Park. The worst venue around. Probably don't have the cash anyway, but that venue is pretty much an automatic no for me.

Yeah, that's my answer too, especially since the show is on a Thursday night.  I'd love to go, but I live 75 miles north of Tinley Park and it's just a pain in the ass to get to, let alone on a weekday. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 09, 2018, 09:45:37 AM
Ugh, the IL date is in Tinley Park. The worst venue around. Probably don't have the cash anyway, but that venue is pretty much an automatic no for me.

Yeah, that's my answer too, especially since the show is on a Thursday night.  I'd love to go, but I live 75 miles north of Tinley Park and it's just a pain in the ass to get to, let alone on a weekday.

Yep. I'm 70 miles NW from there. I wish they would tear that place down and rebuild it identically to the Marcus Amphitheater in Milwaukee. Saw Rush there a few times and it is the model outdoor venue for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on November 09, 2018, 09:52:59 AM
Fuck yes, in for the Brooklyn show.

Cram/Samsara, what's the deal with FC? How much does it cost and what are the perks as far as concerts go?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 09, 2018, 09:55:06 AM
Yay...They didn't skip us for this tour. Definately going to hear my favorite maiden song, Flight of Icarus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on November 09, 2018, 10:01:58 AM
Hmmm I was not sure I'd make the effort to see IM again but I am going to seriously consider this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 09, 2018, 10:07:52 AM
Along with Axeman's question, do we know what the ticket costs are? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on November 09, 2018, 10:55:11 AM
I might be able to make the St. Paul show. Too bad there is no KC or Denver dates.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on November 09, 2018, 10:57:56 AM
Wow.  The Los Angeles show is in a venue that I have never heard of.  Looks like it is in an outdoor soccer (football) stadium.  It just opened this year and it is on the grounds of the old Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena.  With Chris Jericho's Fozzy opening???  I feel like I have to get a ticket now.  I was on the bubble based on venue location, but now I feel I have to get a ticket to see this show.  Probably would have to fight and claw my way to get access to buy tickets.  How much does Maiden typically go for in ticket prices?  Like around $60-70 for non-GA and $100+ for GA?

Seriously...I'd never heard of it.  I sure as heck hope USC isn't playing on the same day.

Also, who the heck is Chris Jericho, and what the heck is a "Fozzy"?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on November 09, 2018, 10:58:07 AM
Philly for me for sure. I'm also sad there is no Denver date, been looking for a reason to get out there and this would have been perfect.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Fuck yes, in for the Brooklyn show.

Cram/Samsara, what's the deal with FC? How much does it cost and what are the perks as far as concerts go?

Cost is $47

Quote
Fan Club Membership [ROW]
12 months subscription

Includes:

Ticket pre-sales in as many countries as possible
Entry to the 'First To The Barrier' draws we hold for many shows
Discounted prices on products in the Official Iron Maiden Shop
The chance to buy special Fanclub-only products from the Official Iron Maiden Shop
You'll be automatically entered into our monthly prize draw, for a chance to win signed Maiden goodies
Membership of our Fanclub community forum where you can chat with fans all over the world
3 colour magazines a year

Fan Club Welcome Pack
Includes:

A glossy photo of the band
Exclusive fanclub sticker
Membership card
Enamel club badge (replica of Steve Harris' bass)
Voucher for discount on first order

So I've been getting my fan club subscription before every tour for awhile now.  I've had a lot of success with it.  I won the Heaven Can Wait contest and got on stage with them back in 2008, and last year in 2017 I won first to the barrier.  There was however one time where the fan club presale did not get me floor tickets, I still missed out.  However, I've otherwise been able to get floor tickets every other time.  It is still possible to get floor tickets the day of general admission sales, but the chances are a bit lower I'd say. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on November 09, 2018, 11:11:18 AM
Cram/Samsara, what's the deal with FC? How much does it cost and what are the perks as far as concerts go?

https://666.ironmaiden.com/products/fan-club-membership-3

$46.80 seems pretty steep given that the only benefit that really interests me is the ticket pre-sale.  I'll be interested to see what Cram and Samsara say about this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 11:24:03 AM
 :lol my thoughts are above, but you also get the fan club magazines and a nice photo and pin.  It's high quality and nice, but for me at least, it's all about the pre-sale and chance to be as close as possible.  Honestly.  I've seen IM up close a lot that I don't feel I need it anymore, but my friend kind of refuses to get a seat for them so I won't hold him back. He actually agreed to split the fan club cost with him this time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 09, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
Also, who the heck is Chris Jericho, and what the heck is a "Fozzy"?

All right, if you do not know.  Chris Jericho is a well-known professional wrestler that has and currently is wrestling in just about every major wrestling promotion (especially WWE, WCW, and New Japan Pro Wrestling) in the world since the 90s.  Fozzy is the band that he is the lead singer in when he is not wrestling.  Their songs ranged from either being too cheesy or is actually good/great that can stack up well to other respectable acts.  You can be the judge of that part.  Here are some of their songs in the link below. 

Judas (which really blew up nicely on Active Rock radio landing themselves as a top 5 single and the video having 20 million views on Youtube). (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqURPBtGJzg)

Grail, one of their more better songs I feel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-hdpknmPTw)

They also did two 10 minute+ epics in their careers.

Wormwood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_a3AzUre3g)

Again, you can be the judge of whether they are good or not.  I find them tolerable enough which is great that they are opening for Maiden for only this show so I can see two bands I like enough with one stone. 

I was planning on going to any Maiden SoCal show anyway in 2019 unless it was in the amphitheater in San Bernardino, but this announcement pleases me enough where I must get a ticket to see this show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 09, 2018, 12:05:02 PM
Cram/Samsara, what's the deal with FC? How much does it cost and what are the perks as far as concerts go?

https://666.ironmaiden.com/products/fan-club-membership-3

$46.80 seems pretty steep given that the only benefit that really interests me is the ticket pre-sale.  I'll be interested to see what Cram and Samsara say about this.

Worth every penny...and not for what is listed. Last Christmas (it may have been the CHristmas before), I got a hand-signed, personalized Christmas card from the entire band. I mean, they made it out to me. I just saw it the other day when re-arranging my music stuff in the den. I'll pull it out this weekend and take a picture of it. Anyway, it totally made my day when that came in the mail.

For me, the small price of the FC was worth it. I paid 50 bucks before the Book of Souls tour as well. My ticket wasn't what I had hoped for, but then again, same set up -- you get your own tickets, it is just a pass code they give you). But the magazines were professionally done, the swag I got, and the Christmas card, and because of the code, I wasn't locked out of tickets (they were protected or something, I forget what they did). Bottom line, for $48.60, I found it worth it. I didn't re-up when it expired. I just do it before every tour that comes my way.

Again, totally up to the individual whether they think it was worth it or not. But when I got that Christmas card, which was totally unexpected (it may be that they did it for everyone, I have no idea, I never really asked any fan club member), it just made me feel really good about the whole thing, and that's why I re-upped for this tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 12:06:29 PM
I haven't listened to Fozzy in years, but they are actually how I discovered IM beyond the hit songs.

When he was wrestling consistently and started Fozzy awhile ago, he did a lot of cover songs.  Including Where Eagles Dare and The Prisoner.  I was blown away by those two songs that I had to check out Iron Maiden further which is when my fandom began. 

I love Jericho's voice and he comes off as a really awesome dude.  I also loved him as a wrestler when I followed back at the end of the 90s early 00s.  Y2J
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 12:08:27 PM
I got a christmas card, I didn't believe those were hand signed though.  I hung mine on my fridge with the rest of my christmas cards, but I have no idea what happened to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 09, 2018, 12:09:55 PM
I got a christmas card, I didn't believe those were hand signed though.  I hung mine on my fridge with the rest of my christmas cards, but I have no idea what happened to it.

You sure? Maybe I got lucky and they hand-signed some? Mine appeared to totally be, with Sharpie.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 09, 2018, 12:10:31 PM
Oh yeah, Fozzy did a cover of The Prisoner.  It was pretty solid.  I did find the intro funny where they did the evil laugh and had to cough at the end of it before going to the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
I got a christmas card, I didn't believe those were hand signed though.  I hung mine on my fridge with the rest of my christmas cards, but I have no idea what happened to it.

You sure? Maybe I got lucky and they hand-signed some? Mine appeared to totally be, with Sharpie.

I'm definitely not sure and now I'm starting to wonder if I severly overlooked that  :lol  I might have just assumed there's no way IM signed these.  And I really hope I didn't throw mine out (although I know it was cool enough even if not signed that I wouldn't of thrown it out, but I'm not home to start searching for it).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 09, 2018, 12:21:39 PM
I got a christmas card, I didn't believe those were hand signed though.  I hung mine on my fridge with the rest of my christmas cards, but I have no idea what happened to it.

You sure? Maybe I got lucky and they hand-signed some? Mine appeared to totally be, with Sharpie.

I'm definitely not sure and now I'm starting to wonder if I severly overlooked that  :lol  I might have just assumed there's no way IM signed these.  And I really hope I didn't throw mine out (although I know it was cool enough even if not signed that I wouldn't of thrown it out, but I'm not home to start searching for it).

Now you have me doubting myself.  :lol But I swear my wife looked at it and said it was hand-signed too. I will find it this weekend and solve the mystery.

Anyway, regardless, I didn't find 48.60 to be that much in order to get what I received. I want to make sure I am at the show, and I like the fluff they send in the mail. It makes it worth it to me. Other peoples' mileage is gonna vary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on November 09, 2018, 12:29:43 PM
I haven't listened to Fozzy in years, but they are actually how I discovered IM beyond the hit songs.

When he was wrestling consistently and started Fozzy awhile ago, he did a lot of cover songs.  Including Where Eagles Dare and The Prisoner.  I was blown away by those two songs that I had to check out Iron Maiden further which is when my fandom began. 

I love Jericho's voice and he comes off as a really awesome dude.  I also loved him as a wrestler when I followed back at the end of the 90s early 00s.  Y2J

I haven't really checked out Fozzy (which is somewhat surprising because I'm still a pro wrestling nerd), but he did a few songs with Metal Allegiance (including some Maiden) at the release party for their first album and killed it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 09, 2018, 12:46:05 PM
Maybe I'm imagining it, but isn't there a scene in Flight 666 where Steve (I think) is signing a bunch of shit?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 12:51:20 PM
Maybe I'm imagining it, but isn't there a scene in Flight 666 where Steve (I think) is signing a bunch of shit?

Yea and Bruce frantically throwing the pictures to the side as he signs them  :lol  Those were not the Christmas cards.  I did a quick google and the results are inconclusive, but it does appear they have at least signed them in the past.  So I'm starting to think maybe I'm a real big idiot
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 09, 2018, 12:52:46 PM
Maybe I'm imagining it, but isn't there a scene in Flight 666 where Steve (I think) is signing a bunch of shit?

Yea and Bruce frantically throwing the pictures to the side as he signs them  :lol  Those were not the Christmas cards.  I did a quick google and the results are inconclusive, but it does appear they have at least signed them in the past.  So I'm starting to think maybe I'm a real big idiot

You're not big. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 12:54:56 PM
Maybe I'm imagining it, but isn't there a scene in Flight 666 where Steve (I think) is signing a bunch of shit?

Yea and Bruce frantically throwing the pictures to the side as he signs them  :lol  Those were not the Christmas cards.  I did a quick google and the results are inconclusive, but it does appear they have at least signed them in the past.  So I'm starting to think maybe I'm a real big idiot

You're not big. ;D

Have you seen my belly?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 09, 2018, 12:55:46 PM
Yeah you're right. It took TWO flower girls to edit it out of a picture! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2018, 12:57:09 PM
 :rollin

Actually was wondering how many pictures they had to cut because you actually could see me before they found the one I was blocked
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 09, 2018, 12:58:05 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on November 09, 2018, 04:11:36 PM
Never been a fan of "professional wrestling," so....

I'll give some thought to the fan club over the weekend.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 13, 2018, 08:16:22 AM
Does anybody know if the FC pre-sale codes are unique? In the past I've just guessed them (eddie, trooper, they're not hugely creative). From what I'm seeing it's starting to look like they're specific to members, which would suggest a fg7s5df8g7sd5f85 kind of thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on November 13, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
Got 4th row seats to the St. Paul but holy shit were they expensive. How in the blue hell is ticket master still getting away with $30 in service fees! That's more than I spent on my Myles Kennedy ticket.  >:(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 09:28:53 AM
Mine looks like a completely random thing, so I think they are specific to each FC member.

kaos -- I am scared to see how much they cost. I buy mine in about 90 minutes (and I need three), and I'm wondering if I'll be able to afford CHristmas after this.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2018, 09:30:33 AM
Does anybody know if the FC pre-sale codes are unique? In the past I've just guessed them (eddie, trooper, they're not hugely creative). From what I'm seeing it's starting to look like they're specific to members, which would suggest a fg7s5df8g7sd5f85 kind of thing.

Yes, it's a random bunch of letters.

I got into work super late because of some insane traffic and missed the on sale time.... but there's still floor seats available for Barclays which is odd... but then I realize why.  $150 before fees for the floor and $176 total.  That's the most I've seen for face value for Iron Maiden floor before.  I got my tickets regardless.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 09:35:02 AM
I am going for seats, instead of the floor, so hopefully mine will be slightly cheaper. My Lord, if that's what they are going to be moving forward, this is my last time seeing Maiden. I honestly just don't want to spend that much money.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 13, 2018, 09:36:24 AM
Pit tickets are actually cheaper than decent floors down here (99 vs 125). They cost the same as 200 level seats. On the bright side the peso is closing in on a five year low, so that's kind of making my decision easier. Mexicans make Maiden fun.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2018, 09:37:42 AM
My buddy has the fan club pass so we'll see where he gets the tickets.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on November 13, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
I am going for seats, instead of the floor, so hopefully mine will be slightly cheaper. My Lord, if that's what they are going to be moving forward, this is my last time seeing Maiden. I honestly just don't want to spend that much money.

It's probably the cost for traveling with the large-scale production plus an increase in price due to the high demand for the Legacy tour. 

I haven't seen them since 2008, and I think I paid $60 per seat for the Somewhere Back in Time tour.  This time, they have to carry around all of those giant stage props.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 13, 2018, 10:24:46 AM
I am going for seats, instead of the floor, so hopefully mine will be slightly cheaper. My Lord, if that's what they are going to be moving forward, this is my last time seeing Maiden. I honestly just don't want to spend that much money.

It's probably the cost for traveling with the large-scale production plus an increase in price due to the high demand for the Legacy tour. 

I haven't seen them since 2008, and I think I paid $60 per seat for the Somewhere Back in Time tour.  This time, they have to carry around all of those giant stage props.
Nah, costs have nothing to do with it. They're charging what the market will support. We all bitch about it but we all buy our tickets anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on November 13, 2018, 10:26:53 AM
I am going for seats, instead of the floor, so hopefully mine will be slightly cheaper. My Lord, if that's what they are going to be moving forward, this is my last time seeing Maiden. I honestly just don't want to spend that much money.

It's probably the cost for traveling with the large-scale production plus an increase in price due to the high demand for the Legacy tour. 

I haven't seen them since 2008, and I think I paid $60 per seat for the Somewhere Back in Time tour.  This time, they have to carry around all of those giant stage props.
Nah, costs have nothing to do with it. They're charging what the market will support. We all bitch about it but we all buy our tickets anyway.

 :)   Previously agreed.  The Book of Souls tour did so well that they can bump up ticket prices and still sell out shows.

If I weren't on such a tight budget, I'd be going to see this tour.  But with that cost, and what I'd guess to be about $100 for seats, it would be my last Maiden show. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2018, 10:30:24 AM
I am going for seats, instead of the floor, so hopefully mine will be slightly cheaper. My Lord, if that's what they are going to be moving forward, this is my last time seeing Maiden. I honestly just don't want to spend that much money.

It's probably the cost for traveling with the large-scale production plus an increase in price due to the high demand for the Legacy tour. 

I haven't seen them since 2008, and I think I paid $60 per seat for the Somewhere Back in Time tour.  This time, they have to carry around all of those giant stage props.
Nah, costs have nothing to do with it. They're charging what the market will support. We all bitch about it but we all buy our tickets anyway.

Yup, and seeing how the Brooklyn show seems to be the msot expensive, it makes sense.  Last tour they played there twice and once in NJ (less then 20 miles away) so a one time show there and they are raising the prices because there is demand. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on November 13, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
I am going for seats, instead of the floor, so hopefully mine will be slightly cheaper. My Lord, if that's what they are going to be moving forward, this is my last time seeing Maiden. I honestly just don't want to spend that much money.

It's probably the cost for traveling with the large-scale production plus an increase in price due to the high demand for the Legacy tour. 

I haven't seen them since 2008, and I think I paid $60 per seat for the Somewhere Back in Time tour.  This time, they have to carry around all of those giant stage props.
Nah, costs have nothing to do with it. They're charging what the market will support. We all bitch about it but we all buy our tickets anyway.

I get that but what I noticed this time was that they didn't show how much the tickets are ahead of time. Honestly if I would have know how much they were I probably wouldn't have splurged. I think my total came out to around $153 which is should be worth it for Maiden but when the list price was $122 that chaps me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 11:09:01 AM
Just got screwed by TM. GOt in, got seats, then made me accept a cookie agreement, and popped me back out. Damn it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on November 13, 2018, 11:33:51 AM
I'll be in the pit in Philly, woot!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 11:36:16 AM
Patience, Daniel-san...waited a few more minutes...

GUESS WHO GOT FRONT ROW SEATS FOR IRON FUCKING MAIDEN?!

This guy.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 13, 2018, 11:37:48 AM
Anyone checked to see what the price is for the LA show?  I'll cave if it is under $100 for a seat ticket (I don't want to be standing in GA all night in an outdoor venue, and there are more deserving fans that wants that spot more than me).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2018, 11:38:57 AM
Patience, Daniel-san...waited a few more minutes...

GUESS WHO GOT FRONT ROW SEATS FOR IRON FUCKING MAIDEN?!

This guy.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal


 :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 11:40:56 AM
Patience, Daniel-san...waited a few more minutes...

GUESS WHO GOT FRONT ROW SEATS FOR IRON FUCKING MAIDEN?!

This guy.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal

Seats?  Cool, I'm clearing my calendar!  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 11:58:47 AM
bosk, check your email
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 12:02:21 PM
???  The last music-related email I have in my inbox isn't from you.  ...unless you changed your last name to Petrucci and didn't tell me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 12:02:57 PM
???  The last music-related email I have in my inbox isn't from you.  ...unless you changed your last name to Petrucci and didn't tell me.

That must be a spam. We all know Petrucci's email comes in as "Guitar God."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on November 13, 2018, 12:03:39 PM
I really just hated the experience. I guess I was in some sort of a line and then had to "pick a seat". I would much rather just prefer they show me best available based on my criteria. Oh well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2018, 12:04:11 PM
Patience, Daniel-san...waited a few more minutes...

GUESS WHO GOT FRONT ROW SEATS FOR IRON FUCKING MAIDEN?!

This guy.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal


 :metal :metal :metal :metal

 :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 14, 2018, 06:50:35 AM
Are some shows pit, and some shows seats for the very front?  It looked like in Hartford there was a pit, so "front row" really means "behind the GA".   Not that that's bad, but just wondering.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 14, 2018, 08:07:21 AM
Are some shows pit, and some shows seats for the very front?  It looked like in Hartford there was a pit, so "front row" really means "behind the GA".   Not that that's bad, but just wondering.
The shows I've looked at (save Mexico) were a pit in front of reserved seating. In Dallas the proper seats started with row J (and there's typically AA and BB up there). So we're looking at 12 rows worth of GA. I'll throw out that I've had front row in front of a GA pit before (Priest) and it's actually the best of both worlds. There winds up being a fair amount of space between you and the crowd, so you can join them or hang in your seat as you desire.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 14, 2018, 08:14:50 AM
Are some shows pit, and some shows seats for the very front?  It looked like in Hartford there was a pit, so "front row" really means "behind the GA".   Not that that's bad, but just wondering.

I didn't explain enough. I was excited. I am on the side, two or three sections back (say mid-floor), but first row of the lower bowl. Clear, close view of the entire stage. That's what I meant. It is a perfect vantage point. We're taking my daughter, so I was ecstatic she wouldn't have an issue seeing, and there was no way I'd take her on the floor.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on November 14, 2018, 08:21:29 AM
I want to see videos of your daughter wearing elbow pads and turning around to the people in the row behind you just before the show starts, and saying, "y'all need to understand something right now.  This is a metal show, and I'm standin' the hell up.  See these elbow pads?  First sucka' that gives me any static best not be too attached to their front teeth.  Any questions?"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 14, 2018, 08:47:27 AM
First row in the lower bowl would be fantastic seats IMO.  I'd personally would love to have such seats, my friend really wanted to be on the floor again so I wasn't going to ruin his party for seats.  But either way, when I got to ticketmaster the best seats were already sold.

So The Raven Age is Steve's son's band?  I think I knew that (they opened before I think?) and I find it so lame personally.  They had done so well with Dream Theater, Alice Cooper, and Ghost as recent openers... now back to Steve's family.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on November 14, 2018, 08:48:36 AM
They're not just openers, they're "special guests".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 14, 2018, 08:50:32 AM
 :lol special indeed

Honestly, seeing that LA gets Fozzy, I would have loved for Fozzy to be the opener for the full tour.  Would be great exposure for Fozzy and better for the fans. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 14, 2018, 09:54:09 AM
I never saw Raven Age, despite numerous opportunities, but they have to be better than his daughter. The cheesy music was partially offset by the fact that she was remarkably well built, but at the same time she looked enough like Steve Harris for even that to be somewhat off-putting.

Personally, I'm hoping they add somebody else for support when they head down South. Last time they kept TRA and added Anthrax.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 14, 2018, 09:55:13 AM
I want to see videos of your daughter wearing elbow pads and turning around to the people in the row behind you just before the show starts, and saying, "y'all need to understand something right now.  This is a metal show, and I'm standin' the hell up.  See these elbow pads?  First sucka' that gives me any static best not be too attached to their front teeth.  Any questions?"

You know she puts people in her place. Better give her elbow room, bosk1, or you might get gut punched.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 14, 2018, 10:04:48 AM
I never saw Raven Age, despite numerous opportunities, but they have to be better than his daughter. The cheesy music was partially offset by the fact that she was remarkably well built, but at the same time she looked enough like Steve Harris for even that to be somewhat off-putting.

Personally, I'm hoping they add somebody else for support when they head down South. Last time they kept TRA and added Anthrax.

Would they have announced that already like they did for the LA show?  That would certainly be desireable to get a similar act on the level of Anthrax.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 14, 2018, 01:16:51 PM
I never saw Raven Age, despite numerous opportunities, but they have to be better than his daughter. The cheesy music was partially offset by the fact that she was remarkably well built, but at the same time she looked enough like Steve Harris for even that to be somewhat off-putting.

Personally, I'm hoping they add somebody else for support when they head down South. Last time they kept TRA and added Anthrax.

Would they have announced that already like they did for the LA show?  That would certainly be desireable to get a similar act on the level of Anthrax.
Beats me. Most likely wishful thinking on my part, but there is precedent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 14, 2018, 02:29:13 PM
 Got two tickets for the Saturday show in Toronto. YESSSSSS!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on November 14, 2018, 03:51:07 PM
At this point I think I'm going to aim for snagging a seat secondhand for Brooklyn the day of when prices come down.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 15, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
At this point I think I'm going to aim for snagging a seat secondhand for Brooklyn the day of when prices come down.

That's exactly what my plan is. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 15, 2018, 11:34:28 AM
Well, I got my ticket for the LA show.  Sec 219, Row B, Seat 3.  Costs me $70.00 after fees.

That stated, in true Anguyen fashion, I found a seat in a section that was more centered in the view of the stage, after I bought the first ticket, that was the same price, so I bought that one as well.  Sec 222, Row D, Seat 13.  I'm going to have to call Ticketmaster to see if I can get any kind of refund for the first ticket.  Fingers cross to see if I get it (probably not, no worries).  If not, I guess I have to find some way to to give it to someone (not looking to get the full amount back. At least I want face value back which was $49.50).

I'm not beat about the experience though, since it was my fault for not thoroughly checking, because I get to see friken Iron Maiden, baby!!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: As I Am on November 15, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
At this point I think I'm going to aim for snagging a seat secondhand for Brooklyn the day of when prices come down.

I'm holding out hope for a PNC Bank Arts Center show to be added for 7/30. If not, then I'll be looking for a Brooklyn ticket closer to the show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
At this point I think I'm going to aim for snagging a seat secondhand for Brooklyn the day of when prices come down.

I'm holding out hope for a PNC Bank Arts Center show to be added for 7/30. If not, then I'll be looking for a Brooklyn ticket closer to the show.

I would love that so much, but don't hold your breathe (and I'm guessing you mean the 25th, 27th, 28th, or 29th since the 30th is Philly).  I'm not sure why they wouldn't of announced that already, but I was wondering if they were going to announce a second Barclays show if the first sold out since there is so much offtime around that Barclays show.  Plus historically they do two shows in the tristate area, somewhere between NYC/Long Island/NJ.  Last tour we got 3 shows in the area.  So only doing one seems a bit odd, but the pricing was high so was wondering if that was part of the reason.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on November 15, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
I got my ticket for $150 4th row side of the stage.  Pretty pricey, but not  sure they will do much more touring after this so might as well see them while they are.  I've seen the last three tours and every show has been off the charts awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 15, 2018, 01:44:32 PM
Well, just finished talking to a representative of the Ticketmaster call line.  He stated that they will go ahead and void my first order, retain the second order (the Sec 222 seat), and refund the money from the first order back to my card.  Will take 3-5 business days for it to show up on my bank account (which is standard).  It was a good professional call.  Good service there and helped me out there. I guess it all worked out well for me.  I can use that money to try to get tickets to the Chris Cornell tribute show in January.

The one thing I wanted them to not do for the Southern California show was play the Glen Helen Amphitheater in San Bernardino, so I'm pretty pumped for this show now.  That being said.  YES!!!!!!!  I'm going to see Fozzy and FRIKEN IRON MAIDEN!!!!!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 15, 2018, 01:45:51 PM
Well, just finished talking to a representative of the Ticketmaster call line.  He stated that they will go ahead and void my first order, retain the second order (the Sec 222 seat), and refund the money back to my card.  Will take 3-5 business days for it to show up on my card account (which is standard).  I guess it all worked out well for me.  I can use that money to try to get tickets to the Chris Cornell tribute show in January.

That being said.  YES!!!!!!!  I'm going to see Fozzy and FRIKEN IRON MAIDEN!!!!!

 :metal :metal :metal

I am tempted to fly down for that Cornell tribute gig. Probably won't, as I already have nine shows on the calendar for 2019, but I am REALLY tempted.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 15, 2018, 02:36:13 PM
Well, just finished talking to a representative of the Ticketmaster call line.  He stated that they will go ahead and void my first order, retain the second order (the Sec 222 seat), and refund the money from the first order back to my card.  Will take 3-5 business days for it to show up on my bank account (which is standard).  It was a good professional call.  Good service there and helped me out there. I guess it all worked out well for me.  I can use that money to try to get tickets to the Chris Cornell tribute show in January.

The one thing I wanted them to not do for the Southern California show was play the Glen Helen Amphitheater in San Bernardino, so I'm pretty pumped for this show now.  That being said.  YES!!!!!!!  I'm going to see Fozzy and FRIKEN IRON MAIDEN!!!!!
It's pretty cool that TM canceled your order. I wouldn't have expected that.

Is the objection to Glenn Helen parking? Too far out in the Styx? The show I saw there was an odd duck, but aside from parking I thought it was a decent enough venue (if not more than a little lawless, which suits me fine).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 15, 2018, 03:01:31 PM
It's too far from where I'm driving.  It's a 75 minute drive to San Bernardino compared to a 45 minute drive to the USC area.  Plus, it's in September, I presume it is going to be very warm and I wouldn't want to be standing in that weather for hours.  Despite this being a new location, I think Banc of California Stadium looks to be suitable for Maiden.  22,000 people capacity.  It's a soccer (football) venue.  Larger than the Forum and way larger than the FivePoint Amphitheater in Irvine (which would have been even a better place for Maiden to do a show for me, but it's too small for them) and not larger than a NFL-sized or baseball stadium (which would have been even more terrible for viewing purposes). 

I think pg1067 mentioned it, but I guess the only potential downside when it comes to travel and parking is that since it is a Saturday, we just hope that USC will not be playing a game at the same day right next door to the Maiden show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on November 15, 2018, 04:29:36 PM
It's too far from where I'm driving.  It's a 75 minute drive to San Bernardino compared to a 45 minute drive to the USC area.  Plus, it's in September, I presume it is going to be very warm and I wouldn't want to be standing in that weather for hours.  Despite this being a new location, I think Banc of California Stadium looks to be suitable for Maiden.  22,000 people capacity.  It's a soccer (football) venue.  Larger than the Forum and way larger than the FivePoint Amphitheater in Irvine (which would have been even a better place for Maiden to do a show for me, but it's too small for them) and not larger than a NFL-sized or baseball stadium (which would have been even more terrible for viewing purposes). 

I think pg1067 mentioned it, but I guess the only potential downside when it comes to travel and parking is that since it is a Saturday, we just hope that USC will not be playing a game at the same day right next door to the Maiden show.

Parking at Glen Helen sucks.  The location sucks.  I mean, once you're there, it's not much different than any outdoor venue.  I think the last time I was there was when DT opened for Maiden in I guess it would have been 2010.  The show itself was good, but everything else sucked, and it would take a lot to get me out there.

I would like to know how much area will be devoted to the "pit."  In other words, if one had front row in the floor seat area, how far back would that really be.  Buying a ticket for an event a full ten months from now seems really odd.

And yeah, if USC has a game the same day, the area will be a mess, but I think I'm likely to take the Expo Line (Metro) either way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 15, 2018, 04:34:23 PM
It's too far from where I'm driving.  It's a 75 minute drive to San Bernardino compared to a 45 minute drive to the USC area.  Plus, it's in September, I presume it is going to be very warm and I wouldn't want to be standing in that weather for hours.  Despite this being a new location, I think Banc of California Stadium looks to be suitable for Maiden.  22,000 people capacity.  It's a soccer (football) venue.  Larger than the Forum and way larger than the FivePoint Amphitheater in Irvine (which would have been even a better place for Maiden to do a show for me, but it's too small for them) and not larger than a NFL-sized or baseball stadium (which would have been even more terrible for viewing purposes). 

I think pg1067 mentioned it, but I guess the only potential downside when it comes to travel and parking is that since it is a Saturday, we just hope that USC will not be playing a game at the same day right next door to the Maiden show.

Parking at Glen Helen sucks.  The location sucks.  I mean, once you're there, it's not much different than any outdoor venue.  I think the last time I was there was when DT opened for Maiden in I guess it would have been 2010.  The show itself was good, but everything else sucked, and it would take a lot to get me out there.

I would like to know how much area will be devoted to the "pit."  In other words, if one had front row in the floor seat area, how far back would that really be.  Buying a ticket for an event a full ten months from now seems really odd.

And yeah, if USC has a game the same day, the area will be a mess, but I think I'm likely to take the Expo Line (Metro) either way.
My trip to Glenn Helen was an adventure, and the parking just added to that.

In Dallas the first proper row is J, and there are normally an AA and BB at the front, so you're 12 rows back.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on November 15, 2018, 04:41:16 PM
In Dallas the first proper row is J, and there are normally an AA and BB at the front, so you're 12 rows back.

Not that the maps on TM/LN are to scale, but the "pit" area in the LA arena looks like it's about the same size as the non-"pit" "floor" area.  If that's right, then row 1 of the area with actual seats will be a lot further back than 12 rows.  The pit area in the map for the Dallas venue looks a lot smaller.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: As I Am on November 15, 2018, 05:30:18 PM
At this point I think I'm going to aim for snagging a seat secondhand for Brooklyn the day of when prices come down.

I'm holding out hope for a PNC Bank Arts Center show to be added for 7/28. If not, then I'll be looking for a Brooklyn ticket closer to the show.

I would love that so much, but don't hold your breathe.  I'm not sure why they wouldn't of announced that already,

I know peeps at LN who have info on PNC and I was told many times before that PNC shows are "held back" for sale, when other shows in the area are just on sale recently. So far, only one show has been announced for PNC, so like I said, fingers crossed. If not, I'll have to hit Barclays (which I hate).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2018, 07:04:24 PM
At this point I think I'm going to aim for snagging a seat secondhand for Brooklyn the day of when prices come down.

I'm holding out hope for a PNC Bank Arts Center show to be added for 7/28. If not, then I'll be looking for a Brooklyn ticket closer to the show.

I would love that so much, but don't hold your breathe.  I'm not sure why they wouldn't of announced that already,

I know peeps at LN who have info on PNC and I was told many times before that PNC shows are "held back" for sale, when other shows in the area are just on sale recently. So far, only one show has been announced for PNC, so like I said, fingers crossed. If not, I'll have to hit Barclays (which I hate).

Interesting.  PNC is in my backyard (almost literally) so that's my prefered venue by far.  This would be super awesome, so now you are getting my hopes up a bit.  I hope it happens.  I got my ticket to Barclays and would have gone regardless so that doesn't change anything, but I'd be a bit annoyed if I could only afford one ticket and bought it for Brooklyn instead of my own turf
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on November 23, 2018, 06:45:06 AM
Does anybody know if the new digipack remasters have a booklet?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 20, 2018, 05:46:25 PM
I got a christmas card, I didn't believe those were hand signed though.  I hung mine on my fridge with the rest of my christmas cards, but I have no idea what happened to it.

You sure? Maybe I got lucky and they hand-signed some? Mine appeared to totally be, with Sharpie.

I'm definitely not sure and now I'm starting to wonder if I severly overlooked that  :lol  I might have just assumed there's no way IM signed these.  And I really hope I didn't throw mine out (although I know it was cool enough even if not signed that I wouldn't of thrown it out, but I'm not home to start searching for it).

Now you have me doubting myself.  :lol But I swear my wife looked at it and said it was hand-signed too. I will find it this weekend and solve the mystery.

Anyway, regardless, I didn't find 48.60 to be that much in order to get what I received. I want to make sure I am at the show, and I like the fluff they send in the mail. It makes it worth it to me. Other peoples' mileage is gonna vary.

Wanted to bump this because I came home today to my Christmas Card.  So here it is, it looks legit but they really write these notes for everyone?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du5qhgPUUAAHmqG.jpg:large)

I got my fan club welcome pack including the last magazine plus a separate pack with this and the newest mag all today.  I signed up after the tour announcement when we were talking about this here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 21, 2018, 01:04:52 AM
Well, in true Christmas spirit, just believe that it's true!  ;D

And on the Flight 666 DVD they show Bruce signing a lot of stuff so it's not unconceivable that it's a "day at the office" for them when they show up and sign these cards.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 21, 2018, 03:28:12 AM
What does Bruce want for christmas? "trait loett"?  ???
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on December 21, 2018, 03:34:27 AM
What does Bruce want for christmas? "trait loett"?  ???

I guess he's refering to the song "All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth"  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2018, 04:44:40 AM
Some classy signatures there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 21, 2018, 08:47:41 AM
What does Bruce want for christmas? "trait loett"?  ???

I guess he's refering to the song "All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth"  ;D

Yeah, that could be. Didn't know there was a song like that.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on December 21, 2018, 08:52:55 AM
I got a christmas card, I didn't believe those were hand signed though.  I hung mine on my fridge with the rest of my christmas cards, but I have no idea what happened to it.

You sure? Maybe I got lucky and they hand-signed some? Mine appeared to totally be, with Sharpie.


I'm definitely not sure and now I'm starting to wonder if I severly overlooked that  :lol  I might have just assumed there's no way IM signed these.  And I really hope I didn't throw mine out (although I know it was cool enough even if not signed that I wouldn't of thrown it out, but I'm not home to start searching for it).

Now you have me doubting myself.  :lol But I swear my wife looked at it and said it was hand-signed too. I will find it this weekend and solve the mystery.

Anyway, regardless, I didn't find 48.60 to be that much in order to get what I received. I want to make sure I am at the show, and I like the fluff they send in the mail. It makes it worth it to me. Other peoples' mileage is gonna vary.

Wanted to bump this because I came home today to my Christmas Card.  So here it is, it looks legit but they really write these notes for everyone?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du5qhgPUUAAHmqG.jpg:large)

I got my fan club welcome pack including the last magazine plus a separate pack with this and the newest mag all today.  I signed up after the tour announcement when we were talking about this here.

Man I hope I still get mine. I signed up after the last tour and later noticed that for fan club mailings my account was still set at my old address. Hopefully it will show up today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2018, 09:01:41 AM
What does Bruce want for christmas? "trait loett"?  ???

I guess he's refering to the song "All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth"  ;D

Yup, that's what it says. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 25, 2018, 08:33:36 AM
The Lovely Mrs TAC bought me tickets for Christmas for Maiden next summer. :metal
The seats are ass, but at least I'm going!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 25, 2018, 09:08:14 AM
The Lovely Mrs TAC bought me tickets for Christmas for Maiden next summer. :metal
The seats are ass, but at least I'm going!

Awesome gift  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 02, 2019, 04:53:44 PM
Pretty damn cool! :metal

Quote
Four-fifths of the original IRON MAIDEN lineup reunited for the first time in 42 years this past weekend.

Bassist Steve Harris, who formed IRON MAIDEN on Christmas day in 1975, was photographed with the band's very first singer, Paul Mario Day, and guitarists Dave Sullivan and Terry Rance. Missing from the photo op was drummer Ron "Rebel" Matthews.

(https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49017685_289319428594407_3246689173456814080_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&oh=4f10d4eccaf63d24a112c4ef6928b1fd&oe=5CD4AC39)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 02, 2019, 05:08:13 PM
That's pretty cool  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 02, 2019, 05:21:26 PM
 Did this lineup ever record anything at all? Even a cassette tape off of a boom box in Steve‘s basement?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 03, 2019, 04:11:06 AM
Did this lineup ever record anything at all? Even a cassette tape off of a boom box in Steve‘s basement?

There were so many early lineups within the first few years before they even got to a recording point I think.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on January 03, 2019, 04:31:00 AM
Listening to a lot of Final Frontier this week, what a great record. I've always kind of dismissed it, maybe because i don't like Satellite 15, or maybe the artwork. But every song from Final Frontier to The Talisman is, at least, pretty good, with some real awesome tunes like Coming Home, Starblind, Isle of Avalon and, of course, The Talisman. I'm not so hot on the last two songs, but, anyway, this is a strong album!

Reunion-era Maiden is so underrated...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 03, 2019, 05:43:10 AM
Listening to a lot of Final Frontier this week, what a great record. I've always kind of dismissed it, maybe because i don't like Satellite 15, or maybe the artwork. But every song from Final Frontier to The Talisman is, at least, pretty good, with some real awesome tunes like Coming Home, Starblind, Isle of Avalon and, of course, The Talisman. I'm not so hot on the last two songs, but, anyway, this is a strong album!

Reunion-era Maiden is so underrated...

I think The Final Frontier is amazing. I put it on the level of AMOLAD. I think it's every bit as good musically, and a bit lighter shaded.

The Talisman cracked my Maiden Top 10. And Coming Home is incredible. I like S-15 for what it is. Quite different. I just wish it was its own track and not connected to the title track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on January 03, 2019, 06:11:03 AM


 I like S-15 for what it is. Quite different. I just wish it was its own track and not connected to the title track.

Yeah, i agree they should've made it two separated tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on January 03, 2019, 06:29:01 AM
TFF is excellent. I can't honestly find a bad moment and Where The Wild Wind Blows is probably my favorite of their 10+ minute songs. The consistency of their reunion output is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 03, 2019, 06:53:05 AM
I love that photo with the original members. Fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on January 03, 2019, 06:56:08 AM
Listening to a lot of Final Frontier this week, what a great record. I've always kind of dismissed it, maybe because i don't like Satellite 15, or maybe the artwork. But every song from Final Frontier to The Talisman is, at least, pretty good, with some real awesome tunes like Coming Home, Starblind, Isle of Avalon and, of course, The Talisman. I'm not so hot on the last two songs, but, anyway, this is a strong album!

Reunion-era Maiden is so underrated...

I think The Final Frontier is amazing. I put it on the level of AMOLAD. I think it's every bit as good musically, and a bit lighter shaded.

The Talisman cracked my Maiden Top 10. And Coming Home is incredible. I like S-15 for what it is. Quite different. I just wish it was its own track and not connected to the title track.

I like TFF but it doesn't touch AMOLAD. Some fantastic songs as you mentioned with the Talisman and Coming Home and I echo your sentiment that S-15 was a separate track. That being said I think too many of the songs are too samey and overly long. While a solid album it's easily at the bottom of the reunion albums for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 03, 2019, 08:20:49 AM
TFF doesn't come close to AMOLAD IMO.  TFF is my least favorite of the re-union era but that doesn't mean it's bad, just was a bit dissapointing on release but it's a pretty solid album and really amazing when you think that IM had evolved in a way to even make such an album.



 I like S-15 for what it is. Quite different. I just wish it was its own track and not connected to the title track.

Yeah, i agree they should've made it two separated tracks.

+1
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 03, 2019, 09:35:35 AM
Pretty damn cool! :metal

Quote
Four-fifths of the original IRON MAIDEN lineup reunited for the first time in 42 years this past weekend.

Bassist Steve Harris, who formed IRON MAIDEN on Christmas day in 1975, was photographed with the band's very first singer, Paul Mario Day, and guitarists Dave Sullivan and Terry Rance. Missing from the photo op was drummer Ron "Rebel" Matthews.

(https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49017685_289319428594407_3246689173456814080_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&oh=4f10d4eccaf63d24a112c4ef6928b1fd&oe=5CD4AC39)

Wow, for some reason that really struck a chord with me.  Steve has a rep for being  unsentimental, and I don't think anyone would argue that Iron Maiden achieved what they've achieved to a large degree because of 'Arry's force of will, but that is such a touching thing to see.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 03, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
Pretty damn cool! :metal

Quote
Four-fifths of the original IRON MAIDEN lineup reunited for the first time in 42 years this past weekend.

Bassist Steve Harris, who formed IRON MAIDEN on Christmas day in 1975, was photographed with the band's very first singer, Paul Mario Day, and guitarists Dave Sullivan and Terry Rance. Missing from the photo op was drummer Ron "Rebel" Matthews.

(https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49017685_289319428594407_3246689173456814080_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&oh=4f10d4eccaf63d24a112c4ef6928b1fd&oe=5CD4AC39)

Wow, for some reason that really struck a chord with me.  Steve has a rep for being  unsentimental, and I don't think anyone would argue that Iron Maiden achieved what they've achieved to a large degree because of 'Arry's force of will, but that is such a touching thing to see.   
Yea no doubt, it's funny that this lineup lasted a year except for Ron that's not in the picture, he lasted until 1977 until he got replaced by Thunderstick and he in turn lasted exactly one show until he got sacked.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2019, 04:33:18 AM
Reunion-era Maiden is so underrated...

Really?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on January 04, 2019, 04:56:37 AM
Reunion-era Maiden is so underrated...

Really?

yeah, sorry for stating the obvious  :blush :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2019, 09:12:10 PM
Reunion-era Maiden is so underrated...

Really?

yeah, sorry for stating the obvious  :blush :facepalm:

No I was serious.  First I've ever heard the reunion era as underrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on January 04, 2019, 09:32:29 PM
I like TFF but it doesn't touch AMOLAD. Some fantastic songs as you mentioned with the Talisman and Coming Home and I echo your sentiment that S-15 was a separate track. That being said I think too many of the songs are too samey and overly long. While a solid album it's easily at the bottom of the reunion albums for me.

Agreed 100%.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on January 07, 2019, 07:00:58 AM
Reunion-era Maiden is so underrated...

Really?

yeah, sorry for stating the obvious  :blush :facepalm:

No I was serious.  First I've ever heard the reunion era as underrated.

Not here on DTF, but among regular Maiden fans? I think so, a lot of fans stick to the classic era, ignore the Blaze albums, and maybe heard BNW. DOF, AMOLAD and TFF are largely ignored by a big chunk of the fan-base. Or at least that's my impression here in Brazil.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 07, 2019, 11:14:43 AM
Reunion-era Maiden is so underrated...

Really?

yeah, sorry for stating the obvious  :blush :facepalm:

No I was serious.  First I've ever heard the reunion era as underrated.

Not here on DTF, but among regular Maiden fans? I think so, a lot of fans stick to the classic era, ignore the Blaze albums, and maybe heard BNW. DOF, AMOLAD and TFF are largely ignored by a big chunk of the fan-base. Or at least that's my impression here in Brazil.


That's here in the US...people complained when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. I would've loved to see that, especially for The Legacy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on January 07, 2019, 12:07:14 PM
That's here in the US...people complained when they played AMOLAD in its entirety.

One important point to consider is fuck those people.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2019, 12:09:43 PM
That's here in the US...people complained when they played AMOLAD in its entirety.

One important point to consider is fuck those people.

I'll never forget yelling at some of these people on my way out of the show.  So many vocal complaints about the set on the escalators leaving the arena after I just had an amazing musical experience seeing that album live.  I couldn't hold myself back from telling these people they were too busy being upset not seeing the trooper for a 20th time that they missed seeing The Legacy for likely the only time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 07, 2019, 12:10:08 PM
I thought I accidentally clicked on the Neal Morse thread again for a second.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 07, 2019, 12:20:57 PM
That's here in the US...people complained when they played AMOLAD in its entirety.

One important point to consider is fuck those people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGo0rHO_dN0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2019, 12:28:09 PM
That's here in the US...people complained when they played AMOLAD in its entirety.

One important point to consider is fuck those people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGo0rHO_dN0

 :lol I have the bootleg of that concert, one of the best videos if you want to see IM perform all of AMOLAD.  What sucks so much about it though is the small crowd (that's an arena, but you can tell people didn't go to this show and it was after the NJ show that I attended and people were not ahppy about so it makes sense) and that small crowd definitely rubs off on the band who isn't giving their best show.  I really wish there were a good professional video of the full album live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 07, 2019, 12:58:09 PM
To think how time puts things into perspective... back then, in the moment, it was the newest thing and very controversial - Iron Maiden are playing their latest album in its entirety, OMG! 13 years later, and some other albums and some major classic tours, now it's a relatively short and mostly undocumented rare event that people are now nostalgic for, and would want to have seen if given the chance but missed it back then.

I'm also way more appreciative of the album now that I was back then, but still I enjoyed the concert quite a lot. Also, the tank was FUCKING GLORIOUS. To people who missed it - the best video bootleg can't give the idea of how massively awesome it was to see Eddie rise up from the tank during Iron Maiden.

Oh, and a little tidbit I remembered now - in The Longest Day there's a line that goes "The world's alight, the cliffs erupt in flame", in the studio version Bruce sings is all quietly - at my show he screamed the second part, "The world's alight, the cliffs ERUPTS IN FLAME!!!!!!", and even if the were no pyros or explosions, I swear I just imagined it in my head thanks just to the sheer power of Bruce's voice and performance  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on January 07, 2019, 06:59:28 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/17PgiE2bV43ltURJRI2_LBj_lqvlpsQsMM0p9ZdZKlmjfB5JaXaq7tE4Khy-UKG0_0tB2mb47ZJn3QkDHpEgkjKj5C0llktWeN0_ZJ1ZpAUy5kVklNr9q9o22XxBvmEe_HkfHWixTQ=w1362-h908-no)

Found this at the local arcade with my 7 year old. Sorry for bad cell picture.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 07, 2019, 07:03:04 PM
I didn't realize Dave Murray was so short.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 07, 2019, 11:06:13 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/17PgiE2bV43ltURJRI2_LBj_lqvlpsQsMM0p9ZdZKlmjfB5JaXaq7tE4Khy-UKG0_0tB2mb47ZJn3QkDHpEgkjKj5C0llktWeN0_ZJ1ZpAUy5kVklNr9q9o22XxBvmEe_HkfHWixTQ=w1362-h908-no)

Found this at the local arcade with my 7 year old. Sorry for bad cell picture.

I'm sure they have that now in Denver LoDo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 07, 2019, 11:07:08 PM
That's here in the US...people complained when they played AMOLAD in its entirety.

One important point to consider is fuck those people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGo0rHO_dN0

Exactly....That applies to all Bands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on January 08, 2019, 05:09:15 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/17PgiE2bV43ltURJRI2_LBj_lqvlpsQsMM0p9ZdZKlmjfB5JaXaq7tE4Khy-UKG0_0tB2mb47ZJn3QkDHpEgkjKj5C0llktWeN0_ZJ1ZpAUy5kVklNr9q9o22XxBvmEe_HkfHWixTQ=w1362-h908-no)

Found this at the local arcade with my 7 year old. Sorry for bad cell picture.

awesome  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on January 08, 2019, 05:41:41 AM
For your game room or man cave, now you can have your very own!

https://www.gameroomguys.com/Stern-Iron-Maiden-Premium-Pinball-Machine?dfw_tracker=20153-60650
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2019, 07:23:33 AM
its on sale too!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on January 08, 2019, 07:25:12 AM
That would be awesome to have. Too bad I'll only save 100 bucks if I buy it.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2019, 07:26:53 AM
its on sale too!

That’s quite a sale! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on January 08, 2019, 07:36:27 AM
its on sale too!

That’s quite a sale! :lol

I laughed at that too but man I want one. I have giant basement where that would fit perfectly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 08, 2019, 09:06:17 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/17PgiE2bV43ltURJRI2_LBj_lqvlpsQsMM0p9ZdZKlmjfB5JaXaq7tE4Khy-UKG0_0tB2mb47ZJn3QkDHpEgkjKj5C0llktWeN0_ZJ1ZpAUy5kVklNr9q9o22XxBvmEe_HkfHWixTQ=w1362-h908-no)

Found this at the local arcade with my 7 year old. Sorry for bad cell picture.

I'm sure they have that now in Denver LoDo.
1Up?

It’s also in Boulder and Fort Collins. Pretty fun game.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 08, 2019, 09:12:35 AM
If I had enough frivolous, throw-away income that I could afford a pinball machine, that would be the one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on January 08, 2019, 10:42:03 AM
There was a KISS pinball machine at this arcade as well, but I advised her to not play that one, as it might actually suck as much as the band does.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 08, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/17PgiE2bV43ltURJRI2_LBj_lqvlpsQsMM0p9ZdZKlmjfB5JaXaq7tE4Khy-UKG0_0tB2mb47ZJn3QkDHpEgkjKj5C0llktWeN0_ZJ1ZpAUy5kVklNr9q9o22XxBvmEe_HkfHWixTQ=w1362-h908-no)

Found this at the local arcade with my 7 year old. Sorry for bad cell picture.

I'm sure they have that now in Denver LoDo.
1Up?

It’s also in Boulder and Fort Collins. Pretty fun game.

Yup...love that place.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 08, 2019, 01:29:24 PM
There was a KISS pinball machine at this arcade as well, but I advised her to not play that one, as it might actually suck as much as the band does.

There's a bad parenting joke in there somewhere.... :) 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2019, 01:32:21 PM
There was a KISS pinball machine at this arcade as well, but I advised her to not play that one, as it might actually suck as much as the band does.

It's the same game that's been there for 20 years?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 08, 2019, 01:44:20 PM
There was a KISS pinball machine at this arcade as well, but I advised her to not play that one, as it might actually suck as much as the band does.

It's the same game that's been there for 20 years?

It would probably suck all the money out of her pocket/wallet/purse, whether she wanted to keep playing or not.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 09, 2019, 04:49:57 AM
Anyway, Bruce Dickinson comes this sunday in Milan for his book reading, and I will be seeing him thanks to a kickass Christmas gift!  :metal

I'd really, really love to meet him personally, but I don't know... it's a cold winter day, I could hang out potentially for hours and for nothing outside the venue (actually a big theater) in the chance to catch him on his arrival, or stay outside once the conference is over to catch him when he comes out, but I assume he will be well "escorted".... furthermore I'm afraid that if he has no time or if he's curt I may feel bad about it 'cause he's basically my hero and role model and, while as I type this I completely understand that such a famous person has the right to not subject himself to the screaming adoration of scores of dozens of fans, being there in the moment and being shunned away rudely by him would "hurt", even if I'm not entitled to anything.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 09, 2019, 05:22:27 AM
Bruce also doesn't have a reputation for engaging with fans. Me and my buddies were lucky enough to catch him several years ago and he was kind, but we were also terrified by the possibility that we might get snubbed by our hero.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2019, 12:30:21 PM
I've always joked with my friend that as much as I would love to meet and hang with Bruce, I think he would really dislike me  :lol 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 09, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
I've always joked with my friend that as much as I would love to meet and hang with Bruce, I think he would really dislike me  :lol

Me:  So...flying a plane must be pretty cool.

BD:  Right.

Me:  You're a big soccer guy, eh.

BD:  Yeah...who's your team?

Me:  Umm...Not really a fan.

BD:  ....

Me:  I saw you guys back on the original Somewhere in Time tour.

BD:  <audible sigh>

Me:  What's fencing like?

BD:  Great.  You ever do it?

Me:  No, but it looks cool.

BD:  <Finishes the last of his beer and gets up and walks away muttering to himself>
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 09, 2019, 03:25:17 PM
"Not engaging with the fans" is pretty much how I'd describe him. He was perfectly polite. Signed everything. Answered questions. Even passed a joint along to the guy next to him (without hitting it). He wasn't at all outgoing or really interested in knowing anybody in the room, though. He didn't seem put out, but he didn't seem interested in being there, either.


Anyway, Bruce Dickinson comes this sunday in Milan for his book reading, and I will be seeing him thanks to a kickass Christmas gift!  :metal

I'd really, really love to meet him personally, but I don't know... it's a cold winter day, I could hang out potentially for hours and for nothing outside the venue (actually a big theater) in the chance to catch him on his arrival, or stay outside once the conference is over to catch him when he comes out, but I assume he will be well "escorted".... furthermore I'm afraid that if he has no time or if he's curt I may feel bad about it 'cause he's basically my hero and role model and, while as I type this I completely understand that such a famous person has the right to not subject himself to the screaming adoration of scores of dozens of fans, being there in the moment and being shunned away rudely by him would "hurt", even if I'm not entitled to anything.
Perhaps look at it from the other side. Myself, I don't want to be a bother to others. Putting somebody I really liked in the position of having to be curt, or even feigning courtesy is something I'd want no part of. There are more than enough boorish people waiting to meet him for me to be one of them.

Having said that, I'm not saying you shouldn't try to meet him. I think you should. Just go out of your way to not treat him like he's your idol and role model. I'd be surprised if he weren't signing copies of his book somewhere. My recommendation would be to have a copy to get signed (not a copy of Powerslave) and maybe ask him a question outside of the realm of Maiden fanboyism. I'd ask him what his favorite Python sketch is, and would refuse to accept The Parrot Sketch as an answer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2019, 03:30:39 PM
So how did you meet him while passing a joint?  I gotta hear more of that story now
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 09, 2019, 03:53:41 PM
So how did you meet him while passing a joint?  I gotta hear more of that story now
I didn't pass him the joint. I was just present. (Did take a big ass hit of it, though). And I had backstage passes for the 84-85 World Slavery Tour. To be honest, I'd have rather had passes to WASP's after-show get-together. I'm sure those people had a helluva lot more fun. That's certainly where all the groupie chicks were.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 10, 2019, 01:12:49 AM
Well, I'm shy and I consider myself not obsessive about anyone, so whenever I meet a musician, I always try my best to be kind and supportive, and not go in "OMG OMG I LUV U" mode. Just to make an example, there's a local folk band that I follow since many years, we all know each other, they allowed me time and again to take photos for them in the pit and around the stage etc, and still when I'm at their concerts I have difficulties to talk to them 'cause they're already speaking to other fans and I feel like I'm disturbing them if I just come in and go "Hey wassup dudes".

If I were to stand outside the back door of the venue and Bruce would come out, I'd simply walk out normally to him and greet him hoping he'd stop by, my "fear" was just seeing him walk away with a "oh no, not this again" look on his face while escorted by his entourage. And as I said - as I type this I perfectly understand that it's his right, but when it should happen in the moment, I know it would make me bitter.

Uh well, I'll see what I can do, I'll still get to hear him discuss the book, meeting him just for a shake of hand would be the icing on the cake  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2019, 07:14:38 AM
So how did you meet him while passing a joint?  I gotta hear more of that story now
I didn't pass him the joint. I was just present. (Did take a big ass hit of it, though). And I had backstage passes for the 84-85 World Slavery Tour. To be honest, I'd have rather had passes to WASP's after-show get-together. I'm sure those people had a helluva lot more fun. That's certainly where all the groupie chicks were.

 :lol still awesome though
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 10, 2019, 10:38:32 AM
The problem (for me) with Bruce is that he seems like the kind of guy that wouldn't hesitate to say "wow, that's a stupid fucking question, innit?" even if it wasn't meant to be mean or hurtful.  I think el Barto is dead on right.  I've been lucky enough to meet some of my heroes - Gene, Paul - and recently got a chance to talk to Billy Squier and Gary Barden (big to me, but I get it, he's not at the level of the others) and in all cases, dealing with them as human beings and not "gods" was half the battle.   With the latter two, I sort of followed their lead, and thankfully both of them were interested in a conversation that was a shade deeper than "Wow you're great!  Wow, I love that song! Wow, what's Michael Schenker really like?"  It helps I'm 50 now, and give about as much of a fuck as Bruce does, even if it's cool to connect with people that touched  my life (I've written about that before; it's the single greatest thing about music for me, and why it means so much to me) 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 10, 2019, 11:08:03 AM
When it comes to meeting your musical heroes, I don't think going the whole "OMG, you created so and so song and what was it like doing this and that," would be the greatest approach to certain musicians.  I don't know if this is a correct assumption, but I read stuff about Neil Peart where I think if someone talked to him like that, he probably do what he can to shut you down and end this conversation.  That stated, if you talk to him about traveling and the likes and not gush at all about how great Rush is (which can be difficult, I understand), and just talk to him in a regular conversation with topics you guys relate to, you can get a much meaningful conversation that way.

I mean I wouldn't know what I would talk about if I ever met Myles Kennedy or Mark Tremonti.  I wouldn't want to initially say how great Alter Bridge is and how that band changed my life for the better, forever (they probably hear that too much too often).  That probably would be at the end of the conversation. If I was more of a reader of novels (I think they are huge fans of the A Song of Ice and Fire novels) and a lot more proficient on guitar-playing in general, I probably would talk about that, but I'm sadly non-proficient in guitar player and not much of a novel reader.

So yeah, I say gl trying to get a good conversation with Bruce outside of how great Iron Maiden is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2019, 11:10:57 AM
My problem is that I tell myself not to be annoying and not to gush over them and in the process I end up becoming speechless since I am so worried about what not to say that I can't think of what to say.  I'm not very good at meeting idols.  Tarja laughed at me when I didn't say anything to her at ProgPower last year  :lol She was really hot though so I'm blaming it on that (I never had thought she was that attractive until I saw her face to face).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 10, 2019, 11:23:34 AM
I think a tough one is when the guys you are talking to are total gear heads.  John Myung comes to mind.  The few times I have been able to talk to him, he has always been VERY polite, but very hard to get to say more than a few words.  ...unless someone brings up gear.  Then he can seemingly talk for hours.  But for those of us like me who have no idea about any of that stuff, it's about as uninteresting a conversation as I could imagine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 10, 2019, 11:25:31 AM
Tarja laughed at me when I didn't say anything to her at ProgPower last year  :lol She was really hot though so I'm blaming it on that (I never had thought she was that attractive until I saw her face to face).

How I would take that depends on the type of laugh, I suppose.  If it was kind of like an "aww, how cute" kind of laugh, I wouldn't mind so much.  If she was pointing at you and having a good belly laugh, that's a bit more of a blow to the ego.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2019, 11:27:39 AM
Tarja laughed at me when I didn't say anything to her at ProgPower last year  :lol She was really hot though so I'm blaming it on that (I never had thought she was that attractive until I saw her face to face).

How I would take that depends on the type of laugh, I suppose.  If it was kind of like an "aww, how cute" kind of laugh, I wouldn't mind so much.  If she was pointing at you and having a good belly laugh, that's a bit more of a blow to the ego.

Oh it was a positive laugh for sure and kind of broke the ice a bit actually.  It was really funny and a cool positive moment when I look back on it, but just shows how hard it is to sometimes talk to such people.  I couldn't say a single bad thing about that experience.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 10, 2019, 11:40:48 AM
My problem is that I tell myself not to be annoying and not to gush over them and in the process I end up becoming speechless since I am so worried about what not to say that I can't think of what to say.  I'm not very good at meeting idols.  Tarja laughed at me when I didn't say anything to her at ProgPower last year  :lol She was really hot though so I'm blaming it on that (I never had thought she was that attractive until I saw her face to face).

I can relate to the "not knowing what to say", as I said I'm shy and I also have the bad habit of speaking very fast, which I do also in english, and that basically nullifies my good knowledge of english  :lol it's also the reason why I will probably never attend a paid meet n' greet, no way I pay money just to mumble fast something barely understandable in 10 seconds of time I have.

Speaking of not knowing what to say, I'm already thinking about what question I could ask to Bruce (I mean the written question he will read from the cards given to him during the conference), since I basically know everything about him and new stuff I didn't know from the book is something that, well, now I know because he explained eloquently his point of view. I also want a chance to actually be read so that I can say, at the very least, "Bruce read my question on stage"  ;D

So far all I got is asking how he sees himself: as a singer who flies in his spare time, or as a pilot who sings for hobby, or something completely different. Another thing I'm tempted to ask is about his stream of consciousness during a show: what does he think when he's there in the wings second away from entering the stage and jumping the monitors? what he thinks when the next song in the set is a rarity or the one he likes the most to song? what he's thinking during the most overplayed songs?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 10, 2019, 12:00:07 PM
One of the best meet and greets I had was entering the venue back when Animals As Leaders first came here. To sin was in front of us (I didn't know, but my friend did). They wouldn't let him in because, they're ids and stuff had gotten stolen or something akin to that. It was funny, we all had a laugh after we went in. He was in the bar on his laptop.

Its hard for me to converse as well, but all that goes out the window if I have a few shots before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 10, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
When it comes to meeting your musical heroes, I don't think going the whole "OMG, you created so and so song and what was it like doing this and that," would be the greatest approach to certain musicians.  I don't know if this is a correct assumption, but I read stuff about Neil Peart where I think if someone talked to him like that, he probably do what he can to shut you down and end this conversation.  That stated, if you talk to him about traveling and the likes and not gush at all about how great Rush is (which can be difficult, I understand), and just talk to him in a regular conversation with topics you guys relate to, you can get a much meaningful conversation that way.
I think it was Dave Grohl who told that story about Neil. He was a little too fan-boyish and was being shown the door within 2 minutes. Personally, as much as I love what he does, I'd have no interest in talking drums with the guy. I'm not a musician, and aside from his style matching my interest I couldn't relate to him on that level. I'd kill for the opportunity to talk travel with him, though. I don't consider him an idol or god insofar as his drumwork goes, but his ability and desire to explore the Earth from a BMW motorcycle makes him both in my book. There's something in particular I'd really like to ask him about, actually.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 10, 2019, 02:33:49 PM
My problem is that I tell myself not to be annoying and not to gush over them and in the process I end up becoming speechless since I am so worried about what not to say that I can't think of what to say.
Write down what you want to say ahead of time, or type it into your phone so that you can glance at it right before the big moment happens!   ;)
 
 
I think it was Dave Grohl who told that story about Neil. He was a little too fan-boyish and was being shown the door within 2 minutes.
Nah - if that happened, I doubt Dave would've been allowed to induct them into the RRHOF. It was Tim Commerford, the bassist from Rage Against the Machine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2019, 02:35:27 PM
My problem is that I tell myself not to be annoying and not to gush over them and in the process I end up becoming speechless since I am so worried about what not to say that I can't think of what to say.
Write down what you want to say ahead of time, or type it into your phone so that you can glance at it right before the big moment happens!   ;)

Good idea, not that different than preparing for a job interview  :lol  I get social anxiety too so that doesn't help me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 10, 2019, 02:46:29 PM
Matt Groening once explained that the key to having a good interaction with a famous person is to ask them something they don't get asked about all the time. He told a story about how George Harrison was bummed out when he had to answer questions about The Beatles, but immediately lit up once someone talked about one of his solo works.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 10, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
I can count my interactions with rock stars on one hand.

The most notable was about 5-6 years ago when I represented Rob Halford in a legal matter.  I had dinner with him and then spent the next day with him.  Most of the discussion related to the legall matter, but there was enough non-business interaction that I was left with the impression that he is a warm, genuine, nice guy.  He even signed my almost 30 years old Defenders of the Faith tour program.  I saved and still have his last e-mail thanking us for our hard work.

Other than that, it was pretty much just standard stuff.  I met DT (except for KM) after a November 1992 show in Westminster, CA.  There were about a dozen folks who hung out after the show, and I recall chatting with them for 30-45 minutes.  I met them in a similar manner following a 1993 show and got KM's signature on my I&W CD booklet.  I also ran into MP and Marlene at the Foundations Forum in Burbank, CA.  I'm pretty sure this was in 1993 and not the 1994 event where DT played with JR.  I had a similar meeting with Fates Warning on the Perfect Symmetry tour in 1989.

At the 2/12/1993 DT show in Hollywood, I met Alan White and Tony Kaye.  I was talking with my friend in the parking lot and turned and noticed them and a bit too loudly exclaimed, "Alan White!"  I startled him, but he was good-natured about it.

I did a meet and greet (put together by Yes's management) with Yes and Kansas when they toured together in 2000.  Got to meet Steve Howe (and learned that he won't shake hands), Alan White and (I think) Billy Greer.  Nothing much happened there.

In 2013, I did a meet and greet with Yes.  It was memorable as the only time I ever met Chris Squire.  He seemed genuinely interested that I was a bass player and that he was one of my inspirations.  I reminded Alan White about our encounter 20 years earlier.  Not surprisingly, he didn't remember it.

I'd enjoy meeting Geddy Lee.  Aside from all the Rush stuff, I would love to talk baseball with him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 10, 2019, 04:02:29 PM
I can count my interactions with rock stars on one hand.

The most notable was about 5-6 years ago when I represented Rob Halford in a legal matter.  I had dinner with him and then spent the next day with him.  Most of the discussion related to the legall matter, but there was enough non-business interaction that I was left with the impression that he is a warm, genuine, nice guy.  He even signed my almost 30 years old Defenders of the Faith tour program.  I saved and still have his last e-mail thanking us for our hard work.

Other than that, it was pretty much just standard stuff.  I met DT (except for KM) after a November 1992 show in Westminster, CA.  There were about a dozen folks who hung out after the show, and I recall chatting with them for 30-45 minutes.  I met them in a similar manner following a 1993 show and got KM's signature on my I&W CD booklet.  I also ran into MP and Marlene at the Foundations Forum in Burbank, CA.  I'm pretty sure this was in 1993 and not the 1994 event where DT played with JR.  I had a similar meeting with Fates Warning on the Perfect Symmetry tour in 1989.

At the 2/12/1993 DT show in Hollywood, I met Alan White and Tony Kaye.  I was talking with my friend in the parking lot and turned and noticed them and a bit too loudly exclaimed, "Alan White!"  I startled him, but he was good-natured about it.

I did a meet and greet (put together by Yes's management) with Yes and Kansas when they toured together in 2000.  Got to meet Steve Howe (and learned that he won't shake hands), Alan White and (I think) Billy Greer.  Nothing much happened there.

In 2013, I did a meet and greet with Yes.  It was memorable as the only time I ever met Chris Squire.  He seemed genuinely interested that I was a bass player and that he was one of my inspirations.  I reminded Alan White about our encounter 20 years earlier.  Not surprisingly, he didn't remember it.

I'd enjoy meeting Geddy Lee.  Aside from all the Rush stuff, I would love to talk baseball with him.
I remember Squire as being a genuinely warm and friendly guy. Same with Alan White. Met them back in the 80's, during the Trevor Horn era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 11, 2019, 10:05:03 AM
I'd've loved to have met Chris Squire.  I find him to be an interesting guy. 

My list of want to meet:

Robert Fripp
David Lee Roth
Ritchie Blackmore

I don't really have anything I want to discuss with them, but I'd be fascinated as to how they are and how they act in person.   Though, I'm sure I could come up with something.  The problem with someone like Roth, though, is that he's been doing this so long he's got it down to a science.  Simmons is like this as is Springsteen; they know what's expected of them, and while I think its sincere because it comes from a pure place (of wanting to be generous) I think it's ultimately a job to them and I'd feel bad for taking their time. 


There are others that would be interesting, but at a lower level:
James Hetfield
Jack Blades
Myles Kennedy
Stone Gossard
Tony Banks
Robin Zander (though I sat next to him at a bar once before a show in CT.  I didn't talk to him; the cowboy hat, sunglasses and cloud of cigarette smoke made it clear he was trying to keep a low profile)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 11, 2019, 10:13:59 AM
Well, I assume that the thing is that, with time, you get used to everything. Say that you live right in front of a famous landmark of a nice view: an apartment overlooking the ocean, Central Park, the Golden Gate Bridge... cool and all, but after 5, 10, 15 years that you wake up and see the Empire State Building, it's the ESB, it's cool, ok, we get it. You get used to it.

At the same time, I'm sure many musicians are appreciative of fans showing polite and respectful attention, but how many variations of You rock / This song really touches me / The show was phenomenal they can through year after year before it all sounds same-y? so you just listen a bit to the fan, pull out your smiling pose for the photo, and that's it. That's why the suggestions of "Tell them something they haven't heard a gazillion times" is cool, because at least it's something new also for them.

As for Ritchie Blackmore, he gives me the idea of being even more hard to reach than Bruce. Then maybe he's a softie deep down inside, dunno.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 11, 2019, 10:20:15 AM
Well, I assume that the thing is that, with time, you get used to everything. Say that you live right in front of a famous landmark of a nice view: an apartment overlooking the ocean, Central Park, the Golden Gate Bridge... cool and all, but after 5, 10, 15 years that you wake up and see the Empire State Building, it's the ESB, it's cool, ok, we get it. You get used to it.

At the same time, I'm sure many musicians are appreciative of fans showing polite and respectful attention, but how many variations of You rock / This song really touches me / The show was phenomenal they can through year after year before it all sounds same-y? so you just listen a bit to the fan, pull out your smiling pose for the photo, and that's it. That's why the suggestions of "Tell them something they haven't heard a gazillion times" is cool, because at least it's something new also for them.

As for Ritchie Blackmore, he gives me the idea of being even more hard to reach than Bruce. Then maybe he's a softie deep down inside, dunno.
It's funny you use that as an example. That's exactly what I'd want to discus with Neil Peart. If there comes a time when you lose your sense of awe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 14, 2019, 02:14:26 AM
So, long post coming even though it's not a concert, but let me express my excitement at having seen Bruce Dickinson's conference!

First of all, regarding the topic of discussion in the last pages - I didn't try to meet him after all. The conference ended at midnight, I was with the subway and the theatre was big and I wasn't even sure of where the backdoor was, and I noticed anyway cars parked inside. To risk to lose the last train to see Bruce entering into a car was not a smart thing to do, better lucky next time in that regard.

Also, let me say it right here for those who won't, understandingly, be bothered to read through it all: the "news" that we got is that he's working on a solo album, there are demos, and that he's gonna write the soundtrack to a movie he's involved in, about a book he's reading, "A Pair of Silver Wings". This of course doesn't mean that in the summer we'll have a new Bruce solo album, but still him mentioning it casually while discussing the Roy Z lineup was good.

On to the conference... the queue to enter was concert like - there were security checks for each person, I had assumed that being a seated theater everyone would just show up and go to their place but no. Also, funny thing, I had a seat in the back but the venue was not full so they gave us permission to go and sit nearer the stage, imagine the frantic movements of everyone running for a nicer spot :lol

Intro music was Bruce's solo stuff, now I wish I had entered earlier to enjoy more of his solo tunes. After a brief intro video he entered the stage, he still has long hair, dressed casually  but not like a bum. And from that moment, the show was ON!

Because it was actually a show, entertaining and interesting. First of all, I could understand everything, sometimes at concerts I can't really make out every last word he says but I had no problem this time. Also, it was never boring or self referencing - he always sneaked in a funny comment or a joke, got the crowd going, and made us laugh a lot.

He also "acted" a lot - he didn't sit there talking boringly, no, he gestured and also made impressions of the voices of the ones he was talking about. Talking about his very short band for example he mumbled "Let it be" to show how the bassist really couldn't do it, and then he sang it himself immediately saying the reply of the others: "Ok, you're the singer". So I guess I heard Bruce sing the chorus of Let it Be, hehe!

He spent a lot of time about his school, more than once he mentioned the beatings from the teachers, he was really pissed at this. He didn't shy away from the Maiden days, but he didn't go into too much details either, he explained anyway, as in his book, what it was like to join and eventually to leave.

He went through the Sarajevo experience rather quickly - very minor bummer, it was the best chapter in the book. At the end he took a pause to allow us to send him some questions, when he returned he said "I tried to keep the most interesting ones, if I kept all the 'When are you gonna play Alexander the Great live' kind of questions the pile would have been THIS high" :lol

He answered MY question, yay! I asked "what's your stream of consciousness during a concert?", and he was:

"Mh, let me show you.  [Walks back and then comes in again] Ok, he's there, the other guy's there, jump the monitors, start to sing; think about the sound, mh, it's actually nice, second song, change of costume, then the other songs, oh, The Trooper, I have to get my sword [he was clearly thinking about the Legacy of the Beast show], then go back, drink, other song, all of this for two hours. And you don't notice because you're all "Yeaaaaah!!!! :metal ". Sometimes people ask me "What it's like to have played such a massive show?", and I say Well, I couldn't tell you, I was too f'kin busy".

I assume this works for most bands - so preoccupied and concentrated with everything that's going on with their instruments and the technical side of the show, that they can barely take in the atmosphere of the venue!

Other stuff he said in the Q&A:

- He cut his hair, aside because of his pilot job, because he looked younger, and now he's growing it longer again to piss off people his age :lol;
- Asked about if the cancer scare changed his rapport to religion, he said "I didn't have and still don't that much of a rapport with religion. My approach is Whatever works for you in this life, because what comes next... nobody knows. So enjoy your time while you're here, have fun, and be nice to one another".
- "Are you a victim of fame or can you walk around freely?"... he said that he actually took the bus to a public event and people wouldn't believe him, but nobody on the bus talks to anybody, he gets however crowd reaction if he goes in tourist-y places, he mentioned Harrods as an example.
- "How does it feel to be the best singer in the world?" "When I'll become it, I'll let you know". He never came off as bragging of thinking of himself what a badass he was. That's how the great ones behave, they don't make it weigh on you that they're actually great, they leave pride and arrogance to the lesser ones.
- Asked about his best sexual experience, he said a wacky story of when, during the Number of the Beast tour, he and a roadie went in Hamburg to a legal "eros center" (prostitution was legal also there, not only in Amsterdam), they had issues with the exact amount of money requested and so they argued so much about a possible discount, and offering to pay more if they actually enjoyed the sex, that the 20 minutes time slot expired and they got kicked out after a very quick and lousy handjob, so he and the roadie decided to place a formal complaint to the police for receiving a bad service for the money asked, which was actually accepted, and the policeman went back to the brothel to "fine" the hooker, even though they obviously didn't show up for the former trial :lol

And I saved the best for last: the last question was "Can you sing the initial stanza of Revelations?" and he said "Yes, I can."

"Oh, wait, you actually want me to sing it? ok, here we go"... and he sang the "Oh God of earth and altar" part a cappella. It's my favorite Maiden song! the song that back in 1995 made me fall in love with Bruce's voice, therefore Iron Maiden, therefore heavy metal! and someone asked him to sing it! whoever you are, brother, thank you very much!!!

A pity that, in the excitement I didn't notice that I actually had to press the button to film it - I have a new smartphone and I don't really do videos so I'm not used to that, I missed the first line, still, some other people filmed it and I hope the full version surfaces.

All in all an amazing and satisfying experience, Bruce commands the stage whatever he's doing, be it singing, or talking :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on January 14, 2019, 02:26:49 AM
Awesome! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 14, 2019, 02:29:43 AM
Now that is just a tremendous story.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 14, 2019, 03:49:35 AM
Good read there mate.  Great to hear a solo album is still in the works.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on January 14, 2019, 04:35:57 AM
i saw the video of him singing Revelations a capella. epic!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on January 14, 2019, 07:20:47 AM
Amazing story, man. You had a great question!

About Alexander the Great, if/when I had a chance to ask about it, it wouldn't be "are you going to play it", but "what is preventing you from playing it, since EVERYONE on Maiden's camp is aware of how much any fan would love to hear it live?". Maybe with that phrasing we'd get something more substantial in reply.

Another question I dream of asking Bruce is "what would have made you stay in 1994?". Maybe one day I'll get a chance...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 14, 2019, 07:34:20 AM
When elaborating on his departure, he said - this during the conference, he wasn't answering a direct question - that many people asked why he left at the top of the success. He said that first of all, the peak of their success was the recent years, since they were bigger than ever in these last years (roar from the public), and that in reality their peak already happened back then but they were stagnating, and that you don't recognize it from inside the "bubble".

He also said that he had to leave, to take a jump in the dark, if he wanted to see what "the rest of the world" was like, and that if he, say, took a break of one year, people wouldn't have taken him seriously because anyway he was going back to Iron Maiden. He had to leave to experience for real the other stuff he wasn't experiencing in Maiden.

So, I don't know how he'd reply to the question, but I assume that he thinks that leaving back then was the only option, and therefore would say something like "everything had to be completely different". He also said that his experience helped for a successful reunion and changing his later approach to the band and their members.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2019, 08:30:48 AM
Sounds like an awesome evening with Bruce  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 14, 2019, 09:41:32 AM
"Yes I can!".  That's vintage Bruce.


Some guys you sort of wonder what they're thinking, and in a lot of cases (Peter Criss comes to mind; sometimes I think this of Ritchie Blackmore) you kind of have no choice but to conclude they're their own worst enemy.    Bruce is the exception to this.  I never once ever thought that his leaving Maiden was anything other than Bruce being Bruce, and not resting on his laurels. That's a guy that seems to hit life head on in the nose, and leaving Maiden was just that.  Each of his solo albums was like that too (and gave me far greater insight into his inputs into Maiden).  He's almost Neil Young in that other than Accident and Chemical, no two of his solo albums sound even remotely alike. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 14, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
HEY!    I was researching Angra as part of the roulette I'm running and I ran across this in the Wiki article about Andre Matos:

"Andre took part in a worldwide contest for replacing Bruce Dickinson in Iron Maiden and was in the Top 3 finalists alongside James LaBrie and eventual winner, Blaze Bayley."

Is that really true?  Either I never heard that about LaBrie, or it never registered.  Was he really officially in the top three for that spot?  I've heard Matos, and I've heard Michael Kiske, but James? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 14, 2019, 11:46:03 AM
I would assume it was just hearsay and speculation that somehow was assumed it was official. It's no mystery that Steve Harris was absolutely and completely hell bent on keeping Maiden a british band, and therefore the new singer had to be british. Otherwise he would have settled for the scottish Doogie White which would have been an hell of a choice.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 14, 2019, 12:28:10 PM
James stated in an interview long ago that Dream Theater enabled him to create a name for himself, whereas in Iron Maiden, he would just be that guy that replaced Bruce Dickinson. It was a no-brainer for him, apparently.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 14, 2019, 02:20:57 PM
I don’t think that story is true. Maybe LaBrie and the guy from Angra were under consideration early on, but I don’t think they ever would’ve had a realistic chance for reasons MirrorMask mentioned. Definitely weren’t finalists.

Cool story about the Bruce experience, that sounds like an awesome night. I’ve seen some clips on Instagram of Bruce singing revelations. Great stuff!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2019, 02:23:15 PM
Kind of surprised they let you use your phone or camera during a speaking appearance actually.  But I'm guessing Bruce is above that type of stuff, he's so damn good at everything there is nothing to hide although typically with the speaking stuff you don't want that to spread because you might be saying the same things at your other shows (like recording at a comedy show is a big no no for that reason).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 14, 2019, 02:33:57 PM
Cameras and cellphones were not allowed actually. Everyone respected that save for the occasional and rare furtive pic. But come on, at the very end of the conference the man's gonna sing, try and stop us  :lol (and we weren't even that many anyway)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2019, 02:49:10 PM
Cameras and cellphones were not allowed actually. Everyone respected that save for the occasional and rare furtive pic. But come on, at the very end of the conference the man's gonna sing, try and stop us  :lol (and we weren't even that many anyway)

Ah ok true, makes sense and I'm not shitting on those who break the rules as I've been known to break that one before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 14, 2019, 03:12:03 PM
This video comes from the public event, can you see it guys?

https://www.facebook.com/corrado.riva.50/videos/10218976418262321/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2019, 03:16:44 PM
plays for me
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 14, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
HEY!    I was researching Angra as part of the roulette I'm running and I ran across this in the Wiki article about Andre Matos:

"Andre took part in a worldwide contest for replacing Bruce Dickinson in Iron Maiden and was in the Top 3 finalists alongside James LaBrie and eventual winner, Blaze Bayley."

Is that really true?  Either I never heard that about LaBrie, or it never registered.  Was he really officially in the top three for that spot?  I've heard Matos, and I've heard Michael Kiske, but James?

At least as phrased, it sounds pretty absurd.  Bruce played his last show with Maiden on August 28, 1993 (no idea how long before that he had told the band, and Bayley was slected sometime in 1994.  August 28, 1993 was also the last day of the second Japanese leg of the I&W/"Music in Progress" tour.  DT took a couple months off before a month of touring in Europe.  They started recording for Awake in May 1994.  "Worldwide contest" implies something that the "contestants" affirmatively participated in, which seems a little unlikely since, according to Mick Wall's biography of Maiden, Bayley [was Harris's] first choice from the beginning.

**Edited to make the last sentence coherent**
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 14, 2019, 03:23:29 PM
Bruce told the band - or, specifically, as in his book, told Rod - between 1992 and 1993, with the already 1993 second leg planned turning into his farewell tour. The August 28 show was the Raising Hell one, the one with the magician tricks filmed for a video release, and it was a de-facto "post break up reunion" 'cause the proper tour already finished in May or something and so that was just a last special date to film the wacky magician sheaningans.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 14, 2019, 03:25:54 PM
HEY!    I was researching Angra as part of the roulette I'm running and I ran across this in the Wiki article about Andre Matos:

"Andre took part in a worldwide contest for replacing Bruce Dickinson in Iron Maiden and was in the Top 3 finalists alongside James LaBrie and eventual winner, Blaze Bayley."

Is that really true?  Either I never heard that about LaBrie, or it never registered.  Was he really officially in the top three for that spot?  I've heard Matos, and I've heard Michael Kiske, but James?

At least as phrased, it sounds pretty absurd.  Bruce played his last show with Maiden on August 28, 1993 (no idea how long before that he had told the band, and Bayley was slected sometime in 1994.  August 28, 1993 was also the last day of the second Japanese leg of the I&W/"Music in Progress" tour.  DT took a couple months off before a month of touring in Europe.  They started recording for Awake in May 1994.  "Worldwide contest" implies something that the "contestants" affirmatively participated in, which seems a little unlikely since, according to Mick Wall's biography of Maiden, Bayley first choice from the beginning.

I love that phrase: "world wide contest".  Had I known I would have filled out the form and sent it in!   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2019, 03:44:54 PM
Kiske was never an option. And I forget what JLB said, but I don't think that was on the table either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 14, 2019, 05:05:17 PM
HEY!    I was researching Angra as part of the roulette I'm running and I ran across this in the Wiki article about Andre Matos:

"Andre took part in a worldwide contest for replacing Bruce Dickinson in Iron Maiden and was in the Top 3 finalists alongside James LaBrie and eventual winner, Blaze Bayley."

Is that really true?  Either I never heard that about LaBrie, or it never registered.  Was he really officially in the top three for that spot?  I've heard Matos, and I've heard Michael Kiske, but James?

At least as phrased, it sounds pretty absurd.  Bruce played his last show with Maiden on August 28, 1993 (no idea how long before that he had told the band, and Bayley was slected sometime in 1994.  August 28, 1993 was also the last day of the second Japanese leg of the I&W/"Music in Progress" tour.  DT took a couple months off before a month of touring in Europe.  They started recording for Awake in May 1994.  "Worldwide contest" implies something that the "contestants" affirmatively participated in, which seems a little unlikely since, according to Mick Wall's biography of Maiden, Bayley [was Harris's] first choice from the beginning.

I love that phrase: "world wide contest".  Had I known I would have filled out the form and sent it in!

LOL...me too.  What's to lose?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on January 14, 2019, 07:23:18 PM
Bruce told the band - or, specifically, as in his book, told Rod - between 1992 and 1993, with the already 1993 second leg planned turning into his farewell tour. The August 28 show was the Raising Hell one, the one with the magician tricks filmed for a video release, and it was a de-facto "post break up reunion" 'cause the proper tour already finished in May or something and so that was just a last special date to film the wacky magician sheaningans.

What an awful show that was...not just the stage theatrics, but the band also seemed very detached.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 14, 2019, 10:59:48 PM
Bruce told the band - or, specifically, as in his book, told Rod - between 1992 and 1993, with the already 1993 second leg planned turning into his farewell tour. The August 28 show was the Raising Hell one, the one with the magician tricks filmed for a video release, and it was a de-facto "post break up reunion" 'cause the proper tour already finished in May or something and so that was just a last special date to film the wacky magician sheaningans.

What an awful show that was...not just the stage theatrics, but the band also seemed very detached.

Dave was shredding his ass off though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2019, 06:14:42 AM
I actually love it, not for their performance but for the uniqueness of it.  Like what a cool idea on how to go out with your awesome singer?  Now sure the band looks uninspired and the performance is not good.  The sound isn't great and the magic is cheesy.  But how cool is it that they put Bruce in an Iron Maiden?  :metal :metal I actually kind of enjoy the idea of mixing the music with a magic show and for the most part thought it was cool for a one off experience even if I would never actually watch/listen for the IM performance (essentially, i would choose any other of their live releases to watch if I wanted to see good performances of those songs).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on January 17, 2019, 07:07:20 AM
I never saw Raven Age, despite numerous opportunities, but they have to be better than his daughter. The cheesy music was partially offset by the fact that she was remarkably well built, but at the same time she looked enough like Steve Harris for even that to be somewhat off-putting.

Personally, I'm hoping they add somebody else for support when they head down South. Last time they kept TRA and added Anthrax.

Finally checked out a couple of Raven Age tracks off their new album and they sound pretty solid. Vocals remind me of Corey on Stone Sour. Guitars definitely have an Iron Maiden harmony thing going on. I'll probably pick up their album. If nothing else it would be a good gym album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 17, 2019, 12:39:19 PM
But how cool is it that they put Bruce in an Iron Maiden?  :metal :metal

As cheesy as it was, it really was the perfect way to see Bruce off.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 20, 2019, 02:58:46 PM
How Iron Maiden Turned a Video Game into a Live Tour (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OA8wen4J4)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
How Iron Maiden Turned a Video Game into a Live Tour (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OA8wen4J4)

Cool video, it's amazing how IM continue to break barriers and continue to be successful. I knew the tour was based around the themes from the game, but I had no idea the game was actually a success since I'm not a mobile gamer and didn't really follow it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on February 21, 2019, 07:24:31 AM
I've played a bit of the game. It's pretty cool, especially if you're a maiden fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on February 22, 2019, 06:09:49 AM
See, if I ever met Bruce Dickinson, I'd ask him if he's ever going to write another Iffy Boatrace novel.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-Lord-Iffy-Boatrace/dp/0283060433
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2019, 09:12:53 AM
They added a second Brooklyn date, fan club presale is wednesday... looks like I am going to have another back to back IM weekend in Brooklyn this summer  :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on February 25, 2019, 09:16:38 AM
Nice! I'll aim for the new date then, a Saturday concert with a full day of pre-gaming in the city >> rushing to Brooklyn from the office on a Friday.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2019, 09:20:49 AM
Nice! I'll aim for the new date then, a Saturday concert with a full day of pre-gaming in the city >> rushing to Brooklyn from the office on a Friday.

Just need Stads and itll be a repeat of 2017
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 25, 2019, 10:52:58 AM
Nice! I'll aim for the new date then, a Saturday concert with a full day of pre-gaming in the city >> rushing to Brooklyn from the office on a Friday.

Just need Stads and itll be a repeat of 2017

I can easily be convinced of that.  It was a great time with great people. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on February 25, 2019, 12:05:47 PM
Nice! I'll aim for the new date then, a Saturday concert with a full day of pre-gaming in the city >> rushing to Brooklyn from the office on a Friday.

Just need Stads and itll be a repeat of 2017

I can easily be convinced of that.  It was a great time with great people. 

Let's make it happen people :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 27, 2019, 01:58:02 AM
Sidenote:

https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/members-metallica-foo-fighters-iron-maiden-secret-supergroup/

Sounds more lika a jam session but eitherway, it's cool hearing Adrian Smith, Taylor Hawkins, Rob Trujillo and Richie Kotzen connecting together and sharing music. Has to be the coolest thing of being a famous musician.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2019, 06:59:24 AM
thats pretty cool and I wonder how you get to go to such a party where these guys are just jamming
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 27, 2019, 07:46:27 AM
I have a close friend (friends since Little League, lived together for a while, we went to law school together, I was in his wedding, helped him find his birth father, etc. etc.) who is a reasonably accomplished musician; at one point, before his daughters were born, he tried "one last shot", joining a band to cut a record and see what happened.  I actually managed them for a while.  Anyhow, he was on vacation in the Bahamas with his wife (I forget if it was honeymoon or just vacay) and he was having a drink in the bar at the complex they were staying and took up a convo with the table next to him.   At one point music came up and one of the guys asked if he played bass and Eric said "sure". 

So during one of the house band breaks, Nicko took the drums, Eric took the bass, and Adrian took guitar.  To this day we joke about Adrian standing there, leaning back and mumbling in that East End accent "Blues in C!".   

I have no idea if this is true, only his word, but he is one of those guys that if you weren't friends with him, you'd hate him, because (good) shit just happened to him.  He's got enough to brag about and/or gloat about that he well and truly does not need to make up stories like this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on February 27, 2019, 09:40:44 AM
I have a close friend (friends since Little League, lived together for a while, we went to law school together, I was in his wedding, helped him find his birth father, etc. etc.) who is a reasonably accomplished musician; at one point, before his daughters were born, he tried "one last shot", joining a band to cut a record and see what happened.  I actually managed them for a while.  Anyhow, he was on vacation in the Bahamas with his wife (I forget if it was honeymoon or just vacay) and he was having a drink in the bar at the complex they were staying and took up a convo with the table next to him.   At one point music came up and one of the guys asked if he played bass and Eric said "sure". 

So during one of the house band breaks, Nicko took the drums, Eric took the bass, and Adrian took guitar.  To this day we joke about Adrian standing there, leaning back and mumbling in that East End accent "Blues in C!".   

I have no idea if this is true, only his word, but he is one of those guys that if you weren't friends with him, you'd hate him, because (good) shit just happened to him.  He's got enough to brag about and/or gloat about that he well and truly does not need to make up stories like this.

That's an incredible story. Really cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2019, 09:46:23 AM
I got two first row after the floor seats for the 2nd Barclays show.  Night 1 on the floor, night 2 just off the floor.  I've never actually had a good "seat" for IM before.  It's always been either in the back or on the floor.  It probably also explains why I've never gotten any real good video of IM before.  I should be able to get great shots from my seat.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 16, 2019, 03:31:36 PM
Bruce being as awesome as always.

Bruce flies the P-51 Mustang (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_-15eJSAI)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2019, 10:16:27 AM
Official live video of Flight Of Icarus (Live from the Legacy Of The Beast Tour) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9oGkvpkefg)

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 14, 2019, 10:22:36 AM
That was great! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on May 14, 2019, 12:26:25 PM
Some very sketchy rumors about a new album?

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/community_feed/iron_maiden_to_release_new_album_this_year.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/community_feed/iron_maiden_to_release_new_album_this_year.html)

"What is known is that all the musicians, their wives, and the producer are at the same time in Paris, where Guillaume Tell Studios is located, where Maiden recorded "Brave New World" (2000) and "The Book of Souls". Kevin Shirley even posted pictures of the studio, saying he was almost finalizing a major project."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2019, 12:28:02 PM
I saw these rumors on the IM fan club forum, definitely seems like there might be something to it.  They've been pretty good at keeping this stuff secret lately with TBoS too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 14, 2019, 11:43:44 PM
Has it really been FOUR YEARS since BoS?

Am I the only one who feels like it just came out?

When I was 18, it seemed like an ETERNITY waiting 4 years for Hysteria. Now IM takes 4 years and I feel like their last album just came out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 01:01:18 AM
Not "just came out" but yeah, it still feels like their latest, recent album. To think that in the time that passed since The Book of Souls' release, in the 1980's we got Iron Maiden, Killers, The Number of the Beast and Piece of Mind give or take the exact months....  :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 15, 2019, 02:03:03 AM
Official live video of Flight Of Icarus (Live from the Legacy Of The Beast Tour) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9oGkvpkefg)

 :metal :metal :metal

Brilliant! Me want flamethrower..

Very exciting to hear about a new album. However, I'm one of those ones that would like to hear what a new producer would do with them. Maybe someone who would help trim any unnecessary fat from the songs, to keep things concise and punchy. I'm not a huge fan of the "raw" sound that they've been going for over the last few albums. A touch more "production" could be good, especially on the vocals. Maybe some harmony vocals this time?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 15, 2019, 03:41:53 AM
The rumours have been swirling around for two to three months now. People took photographs with the band members in the streets of Paris. I'm confident the new album has already been recorded.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 15, 2019, 04:03:38 AM
Very exciting to hear about a new album. However, I'm one of those ones that would like to hear what a new producer would do with them. Maybe someone who would help trim any unnecessary fat from the songs, to keep things concise and punchy. I'm not a huge fan of the "raw" sound that they've been going for over the last few albums. A touch more "production" could be good, especially on the vocals. Maybe some harmony vocals this time?

Never gonna happen. A different producer might get something else out of them, but 'Arry is still the boss, and that's the way he likes it. There's a lovely bit in the Flight 666 documentary where Kevin Shirley decides to tell the band that all their songs sound the same and they need something different, and 'Arry replies "What you need to understand is that we're Iron Maiden, and we don't give a sh*t".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 15, 2019, 11:34:03 AM
Never gonna happen. A different producer might get something else out of them, but 'Arry is still the boss, and that's the way he likes it. There's a lovely bit in the Flight 666 documentary where Kevin Shirley decides to tell the band that all their songs sound the same and they need something different, and 'Arry replies "What you need to understand is that we're Iron Maiden, and we don't give a sh*t".

 :lol That’s a good one. I suppose when you get to their level you can call all the shots, and who can blame them. I’d still like to hear something different, but you’re right - it’s probably not going to happen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on May 15, 2019, 11:37:15 AM
I don't even mind that, I loved The Book of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
As cool as it would be for IM to add some new styles and change things up, it's hard to argue when they consistently put out good albums.  I feel like the songs that do go off the beaten path on their albums are the ones the fans generally dislike anyway.  They are just too good for me to feel like they need to do anything other than what they want to do.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 15, 2019, 01:32:46 PM
Now's as good of a time as any to ask this:

I'm a huge fan of Maiden and am well-versed in the catalog up through Fear of the Dark.

I've heard snippets of a couple songs on the two Bayley albums and have no real interest.

I know virtually nothing about the five "reunion" albums and would be interested in opinions about the best and worst of those albums, including, to the extent applicable, any resemblance between any of those albums and songs on them and the band's earlier albums/songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on May 15, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
You should start with Brave New World and Book of Souls. I think those are to best reunion Maiden albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 15, 2019, 02:20:56 PM
I'd rank them:

AMoLad (in my IM top 5)
Book of Souls

Brave New World

Dance of Death


TFF
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 15, 2019, 02:21:51 PM
Now's as good of a time as any to ask this:

I'm a huge fan of Maiden and am well-versed in the catalog up through Fear of the Dark.

I've heard snippets of a couple songs on the two Bayley albums and have no real interest.

I know virtually nothing about the five "reunion" albums and would be interested in opinions about the best and worst of those albums, including, to the extent applicable, any resemblance between any of those albums and songs on them and the band's earlier albums/songs.
A Matter of Life and Death ranks as a top tier album from any era. Seems like whenever people here start ranking their albums it's always pretty high up. I rank it in the top five. The rest of the reunion albums are kind of scattershot from person to person.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 15, 2019, 02:25:07 PM
You’re going to get a range of opinions, but I’d say starting with BNW is a good shout. There’s a similar style between the reunion era albums, but to me, BNW feels like a good bridge between the old style and the new.

There are some top songs on all the reunion albums, but there’s also quite a few songs that sound similar to each other across the albums.

AMOLAD is a really consistent album, I think. Not too much padding in the songs and a strong theme running right through the album.

I enjoy TBOS, especially the title track, and Empire Of The Clouds but for me I think they could have chopped some of the songs and released a very strong single album, instead of a double.

Just my view, of course. Enjoy your voyage of discovery.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 15, 2019, 02:29:53 PM
Brave New World probably sounds the most like classic Maiden.  The next two do not stray far from that sound.  But to me, the songwriting is just better.  BNW sounds every bit like a Maiden album, but feels just a bit inconsistent to me, with several songs that feel "unmemorable" to me.  The fourth, The Final Frontier, pushes the boundaries even farther and is my favorite Maiden album ever.  I would put Book of Souls down just a notch below that with Dance of Death and A Matter of Life and Death.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 15, 2019, 02:47:34 PM
Dance of Death.  LOVE that record.   AMOLAD is a top album, but it's a dense listening experience, in my humble opinion, and DoD breathes a little better.   I'm a big fan of "Book..." and "Final Frontier" as well.  BNW is least among the five, but it's all relative; that's an excellent record; and you have to see Blood Brothers live to believe it.  It brought the house down in Jersey couple'a years ago. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 02:55:32 PM
AMOLAD is their best album to my ears and I am a believer that the reunion era is better than the classic era, but I didn't live the classic era and have been full in since Dance of Death was released (I became a fan at that time, not due to the album just happened to be when IM clicked with me, and BNW was the first reunion era album I got). 

I'm not sure any of those albums sound like old school IM to compare it too, but I think they kind of all have a similar style to them in them selves.  Longer more progressive songs with a few shorter more old school style ones thrown in.

I also rate The Final Frontier as the worst of the reunion era so I personally wouldn't start there, but lots of people love that one more than me so at the end of the day all of these albums are great and I highly recommend you check them all out.

Also having said that, I find the Blaze albums to actually be musically similar to the reunion era, just done better (and I don't mean just vocals).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 02:56:05 PM
Brave New World and then go on from there, chronologically.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 15, 2019, 04:37:41 PM
Official live video of Flight Of Icarus (Live from the Legacy Of The Beast Tour) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9oGkvpkefg)

 :metal :metal :metal

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/sGnKAiOUrincs/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 15, 2019, 04:45:12 PM
Now's as good of a time as any to ask this:

I'm a huge fan of Maiden and am well-versed in the catalog up through Fear of the Dark.

I've heard snippets of a couple songs on the two Bayley albums and have no real interest.

I know virtually nothing about the five "reunion" albums and would be interested in opinions about the best and worst of those albums, including, to the extent applicable, any resemblance between any of those albums and songs on them and the band's earlier albums/songs.

I'm amazed to even read this honestly. If you have missed out on the Reunion Era, you've missed out on an amazing 20 stretch of the band. They have release 5 great to excellent albums, along with 4 fantastic live albums.

I'm an older fan, but I would say that this 5 album run might be better than the Classic Era run of NOTB thru SSOASS.

You'll get everyone hooting and hollering their favorite, but I would honestly start and go chronologically.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 15, 2019, 05:31:13 PM
Now's as good of a time as any to ask this:

I'm a huge fan of Maiden and am well-versed in the catalog up through Fear of the Dark.

I've heard snippets of a couple songs on the two Bayley albums and have no real interest.

I know virtually nothing about the five "reunion" albums and would be interested in opinions about the best and worst of those albums, including, to the extent applicable, any resemblance between any of those albums and songs on them and the band's earlier albums/songs.

I'm amazed to even read this honestly. If you have missed out on the Reunion Era, you've missed out on an amazing 20 stretch of the band. They have release 5 great to excellent albums, along with 4 fantastic live albums.

I'm an older fan, but I would say that this 5 album run might be better than the Classic Era run of NOTB thru SSOASS.

You'll get everyone hooting and hollering their favorite, but I would honestly start and go chronologically.

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 15, 2019, 05:32:51 PM
I have to find the thread with the poll I did a few years back.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on May 15, 2019, 05:33:09 PM
AMOLAD is their best album to my ears and I am a believer that the reunion era is better than the classic era, but I didn't live the classic era and have been full in since Dance of Death was released (I became a fan at that time, not due to the album just happened to be when IM clicked with me, and BNW was the first reunion era album I got). 

I'm not sure any of those albums sound like old school IM to compare it too, but I think they kind of all have a similar style to them in them selves.  Longer more progressive songs with a few shorter more old school style ones thrown in.

I also rate The Final Frontier as the worst of the reunion era so I personally wouldn't start there, but lots of people love that one more than me so at the end of the day all of these albums are great and I highly recommend you check them all out.
These are very close to my thoughts, except I'd have The Book of Souls above AMOLAD. BNW and DoD I rank pretty similarly and have them a bit behind the other two. Then there's a massive drop off to TFF, I just couldn't get on with that album at all for some reason.

I'd probably just go chronologically though, as I wouldn't necessarily say to start with my favourite TBoS, due to the fact it's a double album with 3 songs over 10 minutes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 15, 2019, 05:35:12 PM
It's a fake double album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 15, 2019, 05:37:42 PM
Here's the old thread with the poll (which is closed).

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44551.0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 15, 2019, 05:38:59 PM
Now's as good of a time as any to ask this:

I'm a huge fan of Maiden and am well-versed in the catalog up through Fear of the Dark.

I've heard snippets of a couple songs on the two Bayley albums and have no real interest.

I know virtually nothing about the five "reunion" albums and would be interested in opinions about the best and worst of those albums, including, to the extent applicable, any resemblance between any of those albums and songs on them and the band's earlier albums/songs.

I'm amazed to even read this honestly. If you have missed out on the Reunion Era, you've missed out on an amazing 20 stretch of the band. They have release 5 great to excellent albums, along with 4 fantastic live albums.

I'm an older fan, but I would say that this 5 album run might be better than the Classic Era run of NOTB thru SSOASS.

You'll get everyone hooting and hollering their favorite, but I would honestly start and go chronologically.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/RXKCMLmch5W2Q/giphy.gif)

Yeah, but...

With this new album, I'm not so sure which I prefer now.  Probably still classic though, but it's tough.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 06:04:01 PM
 :lol I think its a good discussion but man those results don't favor the reunion era or make it look close.  I think it's definitely much closer than that poll but maybe not.  I guess since I became a fan during the reunion era, it is that era I cherish more for many personal reasons of my experiences seeing them live and whatnot.  But even if I just look at the albums, I think I like this more progressive raw style personally for the band.

But as TAC also mentioned, theres 4 live albums from this era and this is just fantastic live material, albeit there's lots of repeat songs.  The En Vivo blu-ray and Flight 666 are spectacles to watch too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on May 15, 2019, 07:15:16 PM
Now's as good of a time as any to ask this:

I'm a huge fan of Maiden and am well-versed in the catalog up through Fear of the Dark.

I've heard snippets of a couple songs on the two Bayley albums and have no real interest.

I know virtually nothing about the five "reunion" albums and would be interested in opinions about the best and worst of those albums, including, to the extent applicable, any resemblance between any of those albums and songs on them and the band's earlier albums/songs.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the reunion albums. Although I would say The Final Frontier is my least favorite of the bunch. The Book of Souls, A Matter of Life and Death, and Brave New World are my favorites, in no particular order. Dance of Death is somewhere in between.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on May 16, 2019, 02:19:18 AM
Dance of Death is probably one of the hardest Maiden albums to rank.  It's probably their most diverse sounding album and has some of the very best songs Maiden have ever recorded on it, as well as some of the weakest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 16, 2019, 07:36:24 AM
Gun to head, I'm an old school Maiden fan (the first rock concert I ever saw was Maiden opening for Priest; what a standard, huh?) but I'm not sure there's a band around from the 80's that is as consistently making progressive music like Maiden.  I get the knock, that Maiden isn't exactly reinventing themselves every album, but having said that, there's a far greater distance between, say, Book Of Souls or AMOLAD and, say, Seventh Son than Black Ice and Flick Of The Switch, or Hardwired and Master of Puppets. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 16, 2019, 09:22:22 AM
Dance of Death is probably one of the hardest Maiden albums to rank.  It's probably their most diverse sounding album and has some of the very best songs Maiden have ever recorded on it, as well as some of the weakest.

Agreed. I am a full album guy, and I never listen to it because it is so inconsistent. But there are a few gems on it that get put on any compilation playlists I do for road trips and such. Paschendale comes immediately to mind. In fact, I'll go listen to the record now. It has been a LONG time since I played it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 16, 2019, 09:28:08 AM
Journeyman.  Top five, maybe top three, Maiden song ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 16, 2019, 10:19:33 AM
So...I had forgotten that I had imported a friend's copy of Brave New World onto my iTunes a few years back and never listened to it.  I also bought, but never or rarely listened to Dance of Death.  I listened to the first two songs on BNW today on the way into the office.  I've heard The Wicker Man and Ghost of the Navigator live when I saw Maiden with DT in 2010.  Both are pretty good songs, but it appears that BNW is brick-walled, so the first two songs were very noisy.  I couldn't really distinguish the bass, which is very odd for Maiden.  Obviously, TWM has a highly repetitive chorus.  I think I preferred GotN.

One funny part of this is that my iPod has a tendency to group albums of the same name by different bands together.  As a result, after TWM was done, the opening track from Styx's Brave New World album started playing.  I didn't immediately recognize it and thought, "hmmm...this is a bit of an odd sound for Maiden."  I finally figured it out when Tommy Shaw started signing.   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 10:20:38 AM
 :lol I actually love the sound of BNW though, I may think it's IM"s best sounding album to my ears.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 16, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
:lol I actually love the sound of BNW though, I may think it's IM"s best sounding album to my ears.

Definitely the best sounding reunion era album for me.

Obviously, TWM has a highly repetitive chorus.  I think I preferred GotN.

Love those two songs. The repetition is a common complaint, but there’s far worse culprits.

I always think of The Talisman from TFF as a companion song to GotN. It’s another Janick one with a seafaring theme.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 16, 2019, 11:34:50 AM
Had some Maiden come up on shuffle yesterday. It didn't hit me so much back then, but whenever a Book of Souls song pops up, I skip it. The muddiness, the thickness of the guitars really ruins the sound of the music to me. It's worse than ADTOE. And it sucks because I really, really like a lot of the songs on that album. Speed of Light is a belter.

But then Paschendale came on and I was all better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 16, 2019, 11:58:16 AM
Had some Maiden come up on shuffle yesterday. It didn't hit me so much back then, but whenever a Book of Souls song pops up, I skip it. The muddiness, the thickness of the guitars really ruins the sound of the music to me. It's worse than ADTOE. And it sucks because I really, really like a lot of the songs on that album. Speed of Light is a belter.

But then Paschendale came on and I was all better.

Yes, indefensible production choices by Harris. Apparently that guy just doesn't listen to smarter people when it comes to that stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 12:10:37 PM
"Not listening to smart people" has been his modus operandi in running the band since day one.

For all the '80s at the very least, he was right in doing so.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 16, 2019, 12:14:20 PM
His approach in editing in En Vivo isn't really much better.  Why do we need split screens and have the camera angles switching in quick motion while on those split screens.  It's like slow yourselves down on that front, man.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on May 16, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
I guess I'm in the minority for not particularly liking post-reunion Iron Maiden. They do still have some amazing songs, but way too much filler. Many of the longer songs feel like they have a lot of padding and short rockers tend to fall short of their 80s material. My favourite is probably Dance of Death for it's the most consistent of the bunch. And even then I have different favourites than most. Instead of the title track and Paschendale (both are good but have some issues) my picks would be No More Lies, Face in the Sand and Age of Innocence.

Journeyman.  Top five, maybe top three, Maiden song ever.

I honestly hadn't heard it in years but I'm listening to it now and it's a lot better than I remembered. Although Nicko's speeding the tempo up a fair bit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 16, 2019, 06:05:17 PM
I guess I'm in the minority for not particularly liking post-reunion Iron Maiden. They do still have some amazing songs, but way too much filler.

There's plenty of filler in the Classic Era with albums half as long.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on May 16, 2019, 06:15:10 PM
I guess I'm in the minority for not particularly liking post-reunion Iron Maiden. They do still have some amazing songs, but way too much filler.

There's plenty of filler in the Classic Era with albums half as long.

No, I'd say there was maybe one filler track per album.

s/t - no real filler, Sanctuary is a bit iffy but wasn't part of the original track listing
Killers - I've never liked Drifter
TNOTB - Gangland
Piece of Mind - Quest for Fire, Sun and Steel
Powerslave - no filler, even though it's the one that often gets singled out as half killer/half filler-album
SiT - Sea of Madness
SSoaSS - Can I Play With Madness is a single, but it's probably the worst song from the 'golden' era
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 16, 2019, 06:19:26 PM
I love Drifter...






…..and Gangland.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on May 16, 2019, 06:30:54 PM
That's cool. None of the songs I've listed I think are bad by any means and it would be just boring if everyone liked all the same songs. :)

Out of curiosity, which of the 80s albums you think have most filler?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 16, 2019, 06:37:35 PM
Honestly, I find Powerslave the most average of the bunch, even though it has aged pretty well. On the other hand, time has not been as kind to Somewhere In Time.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 16, 2019, 11:40:49 PM
Now's as good of a time as any to ask this:

I'm a huge fan of Maiden and am well-versed in the catalog up through Fear of the Dark.

I've heard snippets of a couple songs on the two Bayley albums and have no real interest.

I know virtually nothing about the five "reunion" albums and would be interested in opinions about the best and worst of those albums, including, to the extent applicable, any resemblance between any of those albums and songs on them and the band's earlier albums/songs.

I'm amazed to even read this honestly. If you have missed out on the Reunion Era, you've missed out on an amazing 20 stretch of the band. They have release 5 great to excellent albums, along with 4 fantastic live albums.

I'm an older fan, but I would say that this 5 album run might be better than the Classic Era run of NOTB thru SSOASS.

You'll get everyone hooting and hollering their favorite, but I would honestly start and go chronologically.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/RXKCMLmch5W2Q/giphy.gif)

Yeah, but...

With this new album, I'm not so sure which I prefer now.  Probably still classic though, but it's tough.

Come on, that was 4 years ago.  Fair call, my Perer Griffin gif may have been over the top but yeah thinking now it would be somewhat close.  If the reunion albums had Birch production that may even get the nod.  But, the golden era albums are fucking classic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on May 17, 2019, 07:19:11 AM
s/t - no real filler, Sanctuary is a bit iffy but wasn't part of the original track listing
Killers - I've never liked Drifter
TNOTB - Gangland
Piece of Mind - Quest for Fire, Sun and Steel
Powerslave - no filler, even though it's the one that often gets singled out as half killer/half filler-album
SiT - Sea of Madness
SSoaSS - Can I Play With Madness is a single, but it's probably the worst song from the 'golden' era

For starters the first two albums generally aren't considered part of the classic era for Maiden, as much as I love those albums.

Next up, how the hell is Sea of Madness a filler track? That's a great tune and it doesn't sound phoned in at all. Nothing from SiT would really be filler, but if I had to choose one it would be Heaven Can Wait.

Really the only filler from the classic era I'd say are Invaders, Gangland, Quest For Fire, Sun and Steel, and Can I Play With Madness?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 17, 2019, 07:32:11 AM
Calling Sea of Madness “filler” without even mentioning Deja Vu. Does not compute.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on May 17, 2019, 07:41:55 AM
Calling Sea of Madness “filler” without even mentioning Deja Vu. Does not compute.

Yeah. Sea of Madness is a top song for me, not only on that album but their entire career.

I'd say the filler on SiT is Long Distance Runner :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 07:54:35 AM
All of you are correct, all three of those are filler!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on May 17, 2019, 09:02:13 AM
Calling Sea of Madness “filler” without even mentioning Deja Vu. Does not compute.

Yeah. Sea of Madness is a top song for me, not only on that album but their entire career.

I'd say the filler on SiT is Long Distance Runner :P

Sea of Madness is a friggin' tour de force! As is Long Distance Runner. Overall I'd rank SiT as my second favorite classic era album after Seventh Son.

Regarding the Reunion albums, I'd rank them on par with the classic era albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 17, 2019, 09:21:27 AM
What we view as "filler" and why is obviously a bit subjective.  I found this definition to be close to how I view it:

Quote
Album Filler are songs that take a perfunctory, Strictly Formula stance on creation in order to have something distinct to fill in some time. They're usually straightforward, unimaginative, and otherwise forgettable. Of course, it isn't set in stone that a song will suck for being filler.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlbumFiller

That's not exactly right, at least how I view it.  But it's close.  I guess, to make it a bit closer to how I view it, it's something like this:

A song is "filler" when, after all is said and done, the band mostly has no aspirations of the song being a "hit" or a "favorite" or a "requested" song.  It may never get played live at all, other than maybe when touring in support of the album it appears on, or where the band is intentionally going for rare, deep cuts.  It's one that was written, wasn't bad enough to "cut," and left on the album because it's decent and fleshes out the album length. 

That's about how I see it.  So that said, the songs I consider "filler" on some of the early "classic" Maiden albums would be:

NOTB:
-The Prisoner
-Gangland
[I think Invaders almost feels like filler. But it's hard to classify an album opener as true "filler" because a band and anyone else working on an album will generally feel that the album opener was distinctly chosen as a strong opening song]

POM:
-Quest for Fire
-Sun and Steel
Maybe Still Life

Powerslave:
-Flash of the Blade
-The Duellists
-Back in the Village
I was also tempted to list Losfer Words (Big 'Orra), but I'm not sure what the general thought is on that song.  I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they thought it was a cool, novel thing to do an instrumental and that they were happy with it.  But I don't like it, AND it feels to me like just something extra to fill space, so I personally would lump it into the "filler" category.  But, again, I'm giving them a bit of the benefit of the doubt and just chalking it up to a grand idea that fell flat in the execution rather than something that is more blatantly filler.

SiT:
-The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
-Déjà-Vu
Note:  I like both of these songs a lot.  But they still fit my subjective definition of filler.

[I'm not ranking Seventh Son, even though I recognize that most would consider it part of the "classic" period.  I just don't like the album and cannot tell you how more than a couple of songs even go.  SELF-EDIT:  OK, after looking at the track list, I actually know 4 of the 8 songs.  But still, I can't really comment on the other half of the album.]

It's also interesting to note that, for bands that came out of the '70s, '80s, and even up through the mid-'90s, I think there's a noticeable pattern that "filler" songs will generally come in the back half of where "side 1" would be on a cassette or vinyl version of the album, and the middle of side 2.  There was a general consensus that that is where you would "hide" the weaker songs to pad out the album.  You would usually see a pattern something like this for an 8-10 song album:
-Strong opener, but a song that is perhaps not quite "quality" enough to be a single
-1 or 2 singles
-1 or 2 "filler" songs to round out side 1
-Strong song to lead off side 2 and give people incentive to flip the record/tape over
-Maybe another single
-2-3 filler songs
-Strong closer
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 09:24:40 AM
Wanna know two songs which are filler, because the bands in question admitted they wrote them just to fill an otherwise too much short album?

Black Sabbath's Paranoid and Judas Priest's You've Got Another Thing Coming.

Yeah, those two smash hits.

In this day and age, where the rule of 2 sides of 22-23 minutes is something of the past, it doesn't have sense anymore to call any song "filler" as intended. This is already a more acceptable defition, as said by Bosk:

A song is "filler" when, after all is said and done, the band mostly has no aspirations of the song being a "hit" or a "favorite" or a "requested" song.  It may never get played live at all, other than maybe when touring in support of the album it appears on, or where the band is intentionally going for rare, deep cuts.  It's one that was written, wasn't bad enough to "cut," and left on the album because it's decent and fleshes out the album length. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 17, 2019, 09:26:17 AM
There's very little filler in this catalogue (through the original run):

S/T:  Transylvania
Killers: None
NOTB:   Gangland (Keep in mind, "Total Eclipse", the rumored replacement for Gangland, is perhaps my favorite Maiden song ever.  Certainly top three.)
Piece Of Mind:  Sun And Steel; Quest For Fire
Powerslave: Eh.   I go both ways on Flash Of The Blade
Somewhere In Time:  The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Seventh Son:  None

I'm not going to list No Prayer or Fear; I think those are a tier down from that which came before, and I can either list most of them as "filler", but that's not really accurate, since the albums ARE consistent.  It's not as if there are one or two KILLER songs and the rest blows.  For me, the big issue on those two albums is Bruce adopting that more "AC/DC" voice as opposed to the more "operatic, air-raid siren" voice.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 17, 2019, 09:32:47 AM
I go both ways

:zydar:

Seventh Son:  None

Interesting.  Is that because it's a concept album?  I was thinking to myself when deciding whether to comment on that one that, in a way, it's hard to classify songs on a concept album as "filler" because each song on a concept album generally has a role that is integral to the concept.  But by the same token, a song can have a specific role that is integral to the whole, and STILL kinda be "filler" because it still really fits my definition above.  It moves the ball in terms of the concept.  But it doesn't move the ball in terms of song quality.  I dunno, I just found that to be an interesting concept, at least in my own mind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on May 17, 2019, 09:40:09 AM
I apparently opened some kind of can of worms here. :lol I thought it was needless to say that IMHO applies very strongly to what I said.

"Filler" is not really correct terminology on my part, I doubt Iron Maiden has ever put any songs on their albums just to increase the running time. It's just more convinient to write than "songs I feel are of below average in quality of the band is capable of" or something :P.

NOTB:   Gangland (Keep in mind, "Total Eclipse", the rumored replacement for Gangland, is perhaps my favorite Maiden song ever.  Certainly top three.)

Yes, I've read that they put Gangland on the album because Total Eclipse had already been a B-side to Run to the Hills-single. Thankfully it's included on the remastered TNOTB, such a great track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 17, 2019, 09:43:52 AM
I apparently opened some kind of can of worms here. :lol I thought it was needless to say that IMHO applies very strongly to what I said.

Eh, I wouldn't look at it that way.  I think it's just that people have strong opinions about what songs they like and don't like, and "filler" implies "bad song" to many.  And with a band with as many songs as Maiden has, opinions are so varied that somebody is going to cry foul for just about any choice.

That said, my maybe-controversial opinion is:  The Final Frontier is BY FAR Maiden's strongest, most consistent album, and is the only one that doesn't have even a single filler track.  EVERY song is of the highest quality and contributes to the only true "Masterpiece" in their discography.

So there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
That might be the hottest take in this thread, bosk.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 17, 2019, 09:47:59 AM
Okay, I will add a "*" to my last sentence:  *NOTB and POM, while not as consistent, are about as close to being "masterpieces" and you can get.  True "classics" in every sense.

...but I can't just leave it there without a bit more controversy, so:  **and SiT is close behind.  Powerslave is not.

So there.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 17, 2019, 09:58:09 AM
Killers needs to be in this conversation.  I think there are better albums - Powerslave - but top to botton, I don't know if there is as CONSISTENT and solid a record as Killers in their catalogue.   IMHO.  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 09:58:47 AM
Well you just go take your shopping cart full of unopened Final Frontier discs and leave it out in the lot with the other heathens.  :loser:

I'm kinda with Stadler. I love Killers, and never really think about its consistency, but damn if it isn't one of their best.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on May 17, 2019, 10:13:31 AM
Well you just go take your shopping cart full of unopened Final Frontier discs and leave it out in the lot with the other heathens.  :loser:

Someday bosk will rig all the stray carts at your local supermarket with speakers that play El Dorado 24/7. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 17, 2019, 10:14:36 AM
OH, HECK YEAH!  :2metal:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 10:18:22 AM
The Final Frontier however has the same kind of songs of its predecessor. You can ditch Satellite 15 and rearrange the tracklist to compare it with A Matter of Life and Death, and you get the exact kind of songs:

Different World / Final Frontier: energetic opener
Colors / Eldorado: the more ordinary fast song, single-.ish material
Brighter / Mercy: somber song about war (ok, this is generic)
Pilgrim / Alchemist: fast upbeat song
Longest Day / Avalion: first epic with a long buildup
Out of the Shadows / Coming home: ballad
Benny Breeg / Man who would be king: epic song with Murray's input
Greater Good / Wind blows: longest epic, Harris solo composition
Lord of Light / Starblind: oddball epic, a bit left field of what they usually do
Legacy / Talisman: epic with acoustic intro

I mean, of course the two albums are very different, but if you look at the general style and approach, the only thing that couldn't already be found on the previous album in TFF is the intro. I'm sure it could be argued that Maiden have ALWAYS had the same approach and that the '80s album are filled with 8 songs where the slower is track #2, but no album in the reunion era has this strong match with its predecessor.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 17, 2019, 10:28:19 AM
I guess I'm in the minority for not particularly liking post-reunion Iron Maiden. They do still have some amazing songs, but way too much filler.

There's plenty of filler in the Classic Era with albums half as long.

No, I'd say there was maybe one filler track per album.

s/t - no real filler, Sanctuary is a bit iffy but wasn't part of the original track listing
Killers - I've never liked Drifter
TNOTB - Gangland
Piece of Mind - Quest for Fire, Sun and Steel
Powerslave - no filler, even though it's the one that often gets singled out as half killer/half filler-album
SiT - Sea of Madness
SSoaSS - Can I Play With Madness is a single, but it's probably the worst song from the 'golden' era

If we're defining "filler" to mean sub-standard songs (which isn't really how it should be defined), I'd say the following:

Iron Maiden:  Strange World
Killers:  Another Life (I'm not a huge fan of the shuffle beat of Drifter, but it's pretty good anyway)
TNOTB:  Nothing (and, for me, Gangland >> Total Eclipse)
POM:  Nothing (I LOVE Sun and Steel -- one of my favorite Dave Murray solos -- and I have never understood the hate for QOF)
Powerslave:  Back in the Village
SIT:  Heaven Can Wait (but really just for the whoa-whoa section)
SSOASS:  Virtually everything other than Moonchild and the title track (of course, this is relative to the albums that came before)

On the other hand, if we're defining "filler" in a more traditional manner, that really starts with NPFTD, and I can't think of a single song that I would truly call "filler" on the first seven albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 17, 2019, 10:29:32 AM
The Final Frontier however has the same kind of songs of its predecessor. You can ditch Satellite 15 and rearrange the tracklist to compare it with A Matter of Life and Death, and you get the exact kind of songs:

Different World / Final Frontier: energetic opener
Colors / Eldorado: the more ordinary fast song, single-.ish material
Brighter / Mercy: somber song about war (ok, this is generic)
Pilgrim / Alchemist: fast upbeat song
Longest Day / Avalion: first epic with a long buildup
Out of the Shadows / Coming home: ballad
Benny Breeg / Man who would be king: epic song with Murray's input
Greater Good / Wind blows: longest epic, Harris solo composition
Lord of Light / Starblind: oddball epic, a bit left field of what they usually do
Legacy / Talisman: epic with acoustic intro

I mean, of course the two albums are very different, but if you look at the general style and approach, the only thing that couldn't already be found on the previous album in TFF is the intro. I'm sure it could be argued that Maiden have ALWAYS had the same approach and that the '80s album are filled with 8 songs where the slower is track #2, but no album in the reunion era has this strong match with its predecessor.

Okay.  But aside from the question of "why would you want to cut Satellite 15 from The Final Frontier when it's PERFECT as-is?" and even if we take that track-by-track comparison as granted, as I go track-by-track, I consider almost every one of the TFF songs to be vastly superior to its AMOLAD "counterpart."  That isn't to say that most or all of those AMOLAD songs aren't good.  They are.  But to me, TFF is just much stronger, and much more consistently so.  Yeah, the pattern might not be anything new.  But the song quality is just unprecedented across the board, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on May 17, 2019, 01:05:30 PM
Wanna know two songs which are filler, because the bands in question admitted they wrote them just to fill an otherwise too much short album?

Black Sabbath's Paranoid and Judas Priest's You've Got Another Thing Coming.

Yeah, those two smash hits.

In this day and age, where the rule of 2 sides of 22-23 minutes is something of the past, it doesn't have sense anymore to call any song "filler" as intended. This is already a more acceptable defition, as said by Bosk:

A song is "filler" when, after all is said and done, the band mostly has no aspirations of the song being a "hit" or a "favorite" or a "requested" song.  It may never get played live at all, other than maybe when touring in support of the album it appears on, or where the band is intentionally going for rare, deep cuts.  It's one that was written, wasn't bad enough to "cut," and left on the album because it's decent and fleshes out the album length. 

One of Rush's biggest hits at that time, New World Man, was a last minute quick throw together on the album. In addition one of Rush's universally most loved non-singles, Natural Science, was put together to round out the album after the rest of what they had been focused on was complete.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 01:39:32 PM
So was Pour Some Sugar on Me.

But when you think about it, those songs are all fairly straight forward so just because they are filler doesn''t mean they aren't good or can't be hits.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 23, 2019, 10:32:40 PM
Listened to TFF for the first time in ages over the last couple days. At the time it was quite a drop from AMoLaD for me, with BoS being a solid rebound. I couldn't figure out why I didn't connect with it. This time around I liked it more than I remembered. I think the weak opener and last two tracks brings it down quite a bit. The middle songs I enjoyed a lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2019, 07:08:42 PM
http://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-files-2-million-trademark-lawsuit-over-ion-maiden-video-game


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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on May 29, 2019, 07:35:06 PM
http://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-files-2-million-trademark-lawsuit-over-ion-maiden-video-game


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Up the ions. \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 29, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Methinks the Sheriff of Huddersfield might be overdoing it a bit here. Seems petty.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 29, 2019, 10:16:40 PM
Maiden's mistake is in giving them the publicity they seek. Ion Maiden is a silly name to use if you're not looking for the connection, and that font was crafted to be evocative without crossing any lines. This is exactly what the developer was wanting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2019, 07:38:06 AM
Yea, this is dumb and Iron Maiden look pretty silly here.  Just gave themselves competition for their own game  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 30, 2019, 07:55:00 AM
Never even knew about the Ion Maiden game. Just checked it out and now I might pick it up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 30, 2019, 08:30:09 AM
Never even knew about the Ion Maiden game. Just checked it out and now I might pick it up.
Meh, I played it back in 1996.

(One of the best deathmatch games you'll ever play. God damn we had some fun playing that.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 30, 2019, 08:32:26 AM
Never even knew about the Ion Maiden game. Just checked it out and now I might pick it up.
Meh, I played it back in 1996.

(One of the best deathmatch games you'll ever play. God damn we had some fun playing that.)

I'm confused; I thought Ion Maiden came out in 2019 and was a prequel to a 2016 game.

Maiden (or whoever in Maiden's camp that's proceeding with this) look pretty bad here. Their reasoning is bunk and even the logo looks absolutely nothing like Maiden's.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on May 30, 2019, 08:37:49 AM
Not surprised to see misinformation being spread like this already just given the nature of the media. Article states that Iron Maiden's holding company are suing for infringement. I've seen nowhere the members of the band actually comment on this themselves or that they are personally responsible for the claim.

In any case, I honestly doubt they care. I suspect this is just to protect the brand in the event a suit later down the line that actually matters comes up. Letting a smaller "infringement" like this slide wouldn't do them any favors in that case.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 30, 2019, 10:10:36 AM
Not surprised to see misinformation being spread like this already just given the nature of the media. Article states that Iron Maiden's holding company are suing for infringement. I've seen nowhere the members of the band actually comment on this themselves or that they are personally responsible for the claim.

In any case, I honestly doubt they care. I suspect this is just to protect the brand in the event a suit later down the line that actually matters comes up. Letting a smaller "infringement" like this slide wouldn't do them any favors in that case.

What misinformation?  The holding company the vehicle by which the band does business and is doing the suing because the holding company owns the rights in the name.  It's not like Steve Harris could sue personally; he lacks standing.  If the holding company has sued, the band has sued.  Given my understanding that Harris is the sole owner of the Iron Maiden business entities, it's safe to assume that he signed off on the suit.

I couldn't find anything that indicated whether the suit was filed in the U.S. or UK.  If the former, I think they may have an uphill battle since it's not like the band invented the name "iron maiden," and there doesn't otherwise appear to be any connection between the game and the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Moor on May 31, 2019, 07:12:51 AM
Maybe this will help them compensate a little the amounts they have paid to Becket last year to settle the lawsuit over songwriting credits for Hallowed Be Thy Name!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 31, 2019, 07:26:26 AM
...and even the logo looks absolutely nothing like Maiden's.

The logo looks a LOT like Maiden's. A hell of a lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 31, 2019, 07:35:01 AM
...and even the logo looks absolutely nothing like Maiden's.

The logo looks a LOT like Maiden's. A hell of a lot.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k5hG13Lk/asdfasasd.png)

"A hell of a lot" - sorry brudda, I don't think it looks THAT similar at all. So they have sharp and somewhat blocky features. That doesn't make 'em identical. They still look very different to me... The only letters that even look similar are the Is and that's because they're just big rectangles. The M has that high placed arch, sure, but that's still not enough to claim logo plagiarism or anything. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2019, 07:36:05 AM
Those "I"s look the same!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 31, 2019, 08:55:05 AM
...and even the logo looks absolutely nothing like Maiden's.

The logo looks a LOT like Maiden's. A hell of a lot.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k5hG13Lk/asdfasasd.png)

"A hell of a lot" - sorry brudda, I don't think it looks THAT similar at all. So they have sharp and somewhat blocky features. That doesn't make 'em identical. They still look very different to me... The only letters that even look similar are the Is and that's because they're just big rectangles. The M has that high placed arch, sure, but that's still not enough to claim logo plagiarism or anything. Just my opinion.
It's evocative, like I said the other day. When you see them side by side they looking nothing alike, but when you first see their logo the first thing you think is Iron Maiden. Fonts are peculiar things like that. You really only need a couple of visual cues to make the association. In this case the notched letters (lower case N, O, and D) and the top-heavy M.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 31, 2019, 08:56:28 AM
If I'm being perfectly honest, I don't get that vibe from the font at all, it's pretty much just that the name of the game is 1 letter off from Iron Maiden that makes me think of them, not the design.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 31, 2019, 04:38:52 PM
That said, my maybe-controversial opinion is:  The Final Frontier is BY FAR Maiden's strongest, most consistent album, and is the only one that doesn't have even a single filler track.  EVERY song is of the highest quality and contributes to the only true "Masterpiece" in their discography.

So there.

Oh, man, my sporadic forum participation caused me to leave bosk out there alone for two weeks, taking heat for the best Iron Maiden take of all.

TFF is their best album. AMOLAD is a very good companion to it, but some of the AMOLAD songs just don't rise to the level that TFF is operating on for its full duration. (Different World, Out of the Shadows)

Mother of Mercy may be the most criminally underrated short song in the whole Maiden discography. The Man Who Would Be King would be the most criminally underrated epic in the whole Maiden discography, if Isle of Avalon didn't exist.

Satellite 15 is a treasure. Such a bold way to open a 15th album, and still one of my all-time favorite album openers.

A great album. Their greatest album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 31, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
:hearts:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
I'm with EB on the logo.   "Evocative" is the perfect word for it.   You can tell when something is clearly intended to "hint" at something else artistically speaking, and this seems to do that without much subtlety. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2019, 07:38:32 PM
That said, my maybe-controversial opinion is:  The Final Frontier is BY FAR Maiden's strongest, most consistent album, and is the only one that doesn't have even a single filler track.  EVERY song is of the highest quality and contributes to the only true "Masterpiece" in their discography.

So there.

Oh, man, my sporadic forum participation caused me to leave bosk out there alone for two weeks, taking heat for the best Iron Maiden take of all.

TFF is their best album. AMOLAD is a very good companion to it, but some of the AMOLAD songs just don't rise to the level that TFF is operating on for its full duration. (Different World, Out of the Shadows)

Mother of Mercy may be the most criminally underrated short song in the whole Maiden discography. The Man Who Would Be King would be the most criminally underrated epic in the whole Maiden discography, if Isle of Avalon didn't exist.

Satellite 15 is a treasure. Such a bold way to open a 15th album, and still one of my all-time favorite album openers.

A great album. Their greatest album.

I agree. While I will concede that AMOLAD will be the defining album of the Reunion Era, given the choice, I take TFF over it. I feel it's just as strong musicwise, but colored a bit brighter and is easier on the ears.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 31, 2019, 08:32:24 PM
You three get in the quarantine until you realize the error of your ways
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on June 01, 2019, 06:49:56 AM
Mother of Mercy may be the most criminally underrated short song in the whole Maiden discography. The Man Who Would Be King would be the most criminally underrated epic in the whole Maiden discography, if Isle of Avalon didn't exist.

Mother of Mercy is amazing, but when we're talking about deep cuts, I prefer Judas Be My Guide. It seems pretty well-loved by the fanbase so it's probably only underrated by the band themselves.

Replace TMWWBG which seems like three unrelated songs edited together (I do still like it however) with Starblind and it's a deal. Those three and Coming Home are the only songs from TFF I come back to at all anymore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2019, 11:10:47 AM
Speaking of Judas, Fear Of The Dark ( the album) is excellent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sfam2112 on June 01, 2019, 11:59:28 AM
That said, my maybe-controversial opinion is:  The Final Frontier is BY FAR Maiden's strongest, most consistent album, and is the only one that doesn't have even a single filler track.  EVERY song is of the highest quality and contributes to the only true "Masterpiece" in their discography.

So there.

Oh, man, my sporadic forum participation caused me to leave bosk out there alone for two weeks, taking heat for the best Iron Maiden take of all.

TFF is their best album. AMOLAD is a very good companion to it, but some of the AMOLAD songs just don't rise to the level that TFF is operating on for its full duration. (Different World, Out of the Shadows)


I agree. While I will concede that AMOLAD will be the defining album of the Reunion Era, given the choice, I take TFF over it. I feel it's just as strong musicwise, but colored a bit brighter and is easier on the ears.

Wow. I thought I was alone in my love of TFF. The only tune I don't really care for is the title track. Every other song I like. Especially The Man Who Would Be King, Mother of Mercy, and Isle of Avalon. I've never really been able to get into AMoLaD, outside of a handful of songs. I consider TFF superior to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 01, 2019, 12:10:50 PM
What is all this TFF > AMoLaD malarkey??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 01, 2019, 02:06:55 PM
Mother of Mercy may be the most criminally underrated short song in the whole Maiden discography. The Man Who Would Be King would be the most criminally underrated epic in the whole Maiden discography, if Isle of Avalon didn't exist.

Last time I heard the album I remember thinking that Mother of Mercy was a bit average and I still think The Man who Would be King is the worst reunion era epic and actually the only one which is kinda boring. Sorry.  :biggrin:

But if it's any consolation, Isle of Avalon is indeed amazing!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 01, 2019, 04:57:12 PM
Mother of Mercy may be the most criminally underrated short song in the whole Maiden discography. The Man Who Would Be King would be the most criminally underrated epic in the whole Maiden discography, if Isle of Avalon didn't exist.

Mother of Mercy is amazing, but when we're talking about deep cuts, I prefer Judas Be My Guide. It seems pretty well-loved by the fanbase so it's probably only underrated by the band themselves.

Replace TMWWBG which seems like three unrelated songs edited together (I do still like it however) with Starblind and it's a deal. Those three and Coming Home are the only songs from TFF I come back to at all anymore.

I do rank Starblind ahead of TMWWBK, but I feel like Starblind gets at least a modest amount of love (along with The Talisman and When the Wild Wind Blows), while IoA and TMWWBK don't.

Judas Be My Guide is a good song, one of the few bright spots on a pretty bad album, but a) I don't like it nearly as well as Mother of Mercy, and b) I think it gets more praise.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2019, 05:30:47 PM
Fear Of The Dark is not a pretty bad album. It's pretty good, actually. I can go 8 songs deep easy on it.

The Talisman and Coming Home are two of my Top 5 Reunion Era tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 01, 2019, 05:42:28 PM
To each his own... To me, Fear of the Dark is a HUGE step down from any other Iron Maiden album—including No Prayer for the Dying and Virtual XI, both of which are good albums IMO (especially the latter).

On FotD... Afraid to Shoot Strangers is an excellent song, and the title track is quite good. Judas is good. BQoBD, FHTE and Wasting Love are decent. FitK and The Fugitive are... passable?

And then Childhood's End, Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are Iron Maiden's four worst songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2019, 05:52:06 PM
Childhood's End is amazing.


Fear's major problem is that it was their first album in the CD age. If you chop off The Apparition and Weekend Warrior, you get a pretty solid 10 track album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 01, 2019, 06:00:13 PM
I really very strongly do not like the instrumentation under the chorus of Childhood's End. That's the main source of my objection there.

Maybe if you cut FotD down to this tracklist, maybe you have an album that's approximately on par with No Prayer. But this is after cutting a full 1/3 of the songs:

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. From Here to Eternity
3. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
4. Fear is the Key
5. Wasting Love
6. The Fugitive
7. Judas Be My Guide
8. Fear of the Dark

And even then, this tracklisting is riding on the strength of really just two songs, and what makes me call it as good as No Prayer is that, yeah, those two songs are better than anything on No Prayer, so I guess I might as well listen to the rest of it to get to those good songs, and on average I'll have as good a time as I would with the much more consistent NPftD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 01, 2019, 09:34:59 PM
To each his own... To me, Fear of the Dark is a HUGE step down from any other Iron Maiden album—including No Prayer for the Dying and Virtual XI, both of which are good albums IMO (especially the latter).

On FotD... Afraid to Shoot Strangers is an excellent song, and the title track is quite good. Judas is good. BQoBD, FHTE and Wasting Love are decent. FitK and The Fugitive are... passable?

And then Childhood's End, Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are Iron Maiden's four worst songs.

You completely lost me on the bolded part.   That album is almost pure dreck.   

No Prayer and Fear of the Dark are pretty similar albums.  But I give FotD the slight edge since the songs that are good are better than anything from NPftD.    And it really begins right from the opener.   BQOBD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tailgunner. 

And I'm not a Blaze hater either.   In fact, I think TXF might be the single most underrated IM album in their entire catalog.   It's the songwriting itself that ruins VXI.   There are one or two good songs that I can listen to without begging for death before the end.  (Clansman and Futureal aren't too bad).    There are a few good ideas that turn into Chinese water torture (DLTTEOAS is a great example of this).   And then there's just the songs that should be stuffed right up 'Arry's arse.  (TA&TG)  :\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2019, 09:40:46 PM

No Prayer and Fear of the Dark are pretty similar albums.  But I give FotD the slight edge since the songs that are good are better than anything from NPftD.    And it really begins right from the opener.   BQOBD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tailgunner. 

No they're not, and there's nothing slight about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 02, 2019, 04:10:01 AM
Childhood's End is amazing.


Fear's major problem is that it was their first album in the CD age. If you chop off The Apparition and Weekend Warrior, you get a pretty solid 10 track album.

Could possibly still be a top 5 Maiden album for me.  I love it.  Lots of variety, great solos and just good to see the band experiment a little.  Childhoods End is one of their most underrated, as is Judas, potentially Dave's best moment in terms of songwriting IMO. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 02, 2019, 04:42:18 PM
Met this fine gentleman yesterday:

(https://i.postimg.cc/x1B6fvb9/20190601-195952.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zfXT13xq/20190601-161023.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/13FjN7S8/20190601-160934.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 02, 2019, 05:05:18 PM
No Prayer and Fear of the Dark are pretty similar albums.  But I give FotD the slight edge since the songs that are good are better than anything from NPftD.    And it really begins right from the opener.   BQOBD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tailgunner. 

To me, the difference between NPftD and FotD is significant, and some of that difference is a sense I get on FotD that the band is just tired and running on empty. I don't know if this was actually the case, but that's how it feels to me. Especially Bruce, whose studio performance was only improved upon by Blaze Bayley for one song in the entire discography: Afraid to Shoot Strangers.

Even some of the songs that I exclude from that bottom 4 group feel somewhat by-the-numbers: Wasting Love and The Fugitive being archetypal examples. And to bring that bottom four back in, there is no more generic song in the discography than Chains of Misery.

No Prayer for the Dying is a weird direction for the band to go, especially following SSoaSS, and it's their second weakest effort by far. But it still feels alive with energy and passion in a way FotD just doesn't. And whereas the middling songs on FotD often feel just rote (Fugitive, WL, FitK), the middling songs on NPftD have some fire, and usually their own distinctive energy and swagger. Holy Smoke, Public Enema Number One, and Hooks in You are very, very far from being Iron Maiden's best songs, but I find them fun. Much more fun than "Here's The Prisoner, but Worse" or "Here's a Power Ballad." One could easily find things to criticize about the most NPftD-esque song on FotD, From Here to Eternity, but that song is way more interesting to me than all but the best three songs on FotD.


And I'm not a Blaze hater either.   In fact, I think TXF might be the single most underrated IM album in their entire catalog.   It's the songwriting itself that ruins VXI.   There are one or two good songs that I can listen to without begging for death before the end.  (Clansman and Futureal aren't too bad).    There are a few good ideas that turn into Chinese water torture (DLTTEOAS is a great example of this).   And then there's just the songs that should be stuffed right up 'Arry's arse.  (TA&TG)  :\

All I can say is I very much agree about TXF, but disagree about VXI. Futureal and The Clansman are straight-up excellent Maiden songs that can stand up just fine to almost anything from the 80s or reunion eras. And then The Educated Fool and When Two Worlds Collide are just far, far too neglected. They're Brave New World songs with Blaze (or, rather, a good 30-40% of BNW literally is Virtual XI songs with Bruce: Dream of Mirrors, The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another).

I like The Angel and the Gambler a lot. It's Blaze's best performance on the album and it just goes all out and unapologetic on being what it is. Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger is a partly-succeeded and partly-failed experiment, but I really don't mind it at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 02, 2019, 05:33:48 PM
Met this fine gentleman yesterday:

(https://i.postimg.cc/x1B6fvb9/20190601-195952.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zfXT13xq/20190601-161023.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/13FjN7S8/20190601-160934.jpg)

Wow.  That's awesome.

Speaking about Nicko, since I was going to be in Orlando, FL in September, I contemplated wanting to go to his BBQ restaurant, but then I found out it was about three hours away from where I was at.  How is that place for those that may have been there?  Good enough?  I thought that would have been awesome to be there on the week after I would see Iron Maiden in LA.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 02, 2019, 06:10:28 PM

No Prayer and Fear of the Dark are pretty similar albums.  But I give FotD the slight edge since the songs that are good are better than anything from NPftD.    And it really begins right from the opener.   BQOBD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tailgunner. 

No they're not, and there's nothing slight about it.
They're similar in that they both suffer from the same fatal flaw--Bruce's vocals. I lump them together for that reason, and while they both have a couple of good songs, Run Silent Run Deep (which nobody's mentioned), Afraid, Judas, overall they both have the same feel that just doesn't work for me. Moreover, every album before it was spectacular. At best these two were merely passable for a variety of reasons. For me that's just a singular 3 year stretch of relative awfulness.


Met this fine gentleman yesterday:

(https://i.postimg.cc/x1B6fvb9/20190601-195952.jpg)
Up the Irons.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 02, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
They're similar in that they both suffer from the same fatal flaw--Bruce's vocals. I lump them together for that reason, and while they both have a couple of good songs, Run Silent Run Deep (which nobody's mentioned), Afraid, Judas, overall they both have the same feel that just doesn't work for me. Moreover, every album before it was spectacular. At best these two were merely passable for a variety of reasons. For me that's just a singular 3 year stretch of relative awfulness.

Run Silent Run Deep is one that I personally like a lot. Definitely better than Judas Be My Guide.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 02, 2019, 06:46:30 PM
I like Run Silent Run Deep and Judas be my Guide. But I read an interview where Bruce said he thinks Run Silent Run Deep is the worst Maiden song. He wasn't happy at all with the end result of No Prayer. I like NPFTD better than Fear of the Dark, but coming from Seventh Son and Somewhere in Time, both were MASSIVE steps down. What Bruce says in his book is that at the time the band grew immune to criticism after such a string of stellar albums, and in hindsight, they missed someone to tell them "get back to the drawing board guys, this isn't good enough".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 02, 2019, 06:48:36 PM

No Prayer and Fear of the Dark are pretty similar albums.  But I give FotD the slight edge since the songs that are good are better than anything from NPftD.    And it really begins right from the opener.   BQOBD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tailgunner. 

No they're not, and there's nothing slight about it.
They're similar in that they both suffer from the same fatal flaw--Bruce's vocals. I lump them together for that reason, and while they both have a couple of good songs, Run Silent Run Deep (which nobody's mentioned), Afraid, Judas, overall they both have the same feel that just doesn't work for me. Moreover, every album before it was spectacular. At best these two were merely passable for a variety of reasons. For me that's just a singular 3 year stretch of relative awfulness.



Honestly, I haven't had the energy to post in depth on this because we've covered this a couple of times already in this thread.


That said, Run Silent Run Deep is great. One of my favorite Maiden choruses. After the title track, it's my #2 song on the album. It contains Maiden's only mosh part. :metal


Bruce's vocals are brutal on these two albums. Fear feels far more focused, save for the extra "B sides" that for some reason were part of the album proper.


Honestly, I love Fear and I personally take it over Powerslave and Somewhere In Time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on June 02, 2019, 06:57:34 PM
Run Silent Run Deep is probably my favorite Maiden song (and No Prayer is my favorite album of theirs). The harmonized guitar part leading into the last verse is so damn cool and the bass arpeggios sound really eerie. Great song. Why does Bruce hate it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2019, 07:30:21 PM
Anyone else seen this?

What if Bruce Dickinson sang other peoples songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_oS-bFqv-k
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on July 06, 2019, 08:40:59 PM
That's great!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 07, 2019, 01:49:28 AM
 :lol  :tup That was so weird to hear.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 07, 2019, 02:27:30 AM
Anyone else seen this?

What if Bruce Dickinson sang other peoples songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_oS-bFqv-k

Unreal!

If at all, it's the proof that Bruce Dickinson singing would do anything better  ;D

Seriously, I'd buy a solo album from him called "Whatever I felt like singing today", with the album contents reflecting the title.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on July 07, 2019, 03:54:00 AM
Anyone else seen this?

What if Bruce Dickinson sang other peoples songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_oS-bFqv-k

wow  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2019, 05:09:38 AM
That guy has an amazing voice.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 07, 2019, 07:11:49 AM
Find the clips of the real Bruce singing "Jerusalem" and "Revelations" in the church (Canterbury Cathedral) with Ian Anderson.   It's worth it.

EDIT:  Jerusalem:  https://youtu.be/YTgZatpr1L8
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2019, 10:31:13 PM
Find the clips of the real Bruce singing "Jerusalem" and "Revelations" in the church (Canterbury Cathedral) with Ian Anderson.   It's worth it.

EDIT:  Jerusalem:  https://youtu.be/YTgZatpr1L8

I remember seeing that vid when it came out.  It's wonderful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 07, 2019, 11:35:38 PM
Not only does that guy's voice sound spot on, but stylistically he's making all the right decisions. The inflections are exactly how Bruce might do it, moving back and forth from rough sounding FotD era to the cleaner TNotB era as the lyrics dictate. Those are things he'd have to figure out on his own since, thank the gods, Bruce never sang crappy Aerosmith songs.  Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 08, 2019, 01:02:44 AM
I actually enjoyed the Bryan Adams portion (Heaven), now I'd want him to sing it for real!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 08, 2019, 06:20:14 AM
That was so awesome and very strange at the same time. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 09, 2019, 03:43:47 PM
Iron Zeppelin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-0aRxvmLg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 09, 2019, 04:12:30 PM
Run Silent Run Deep is probably my favorite Maiden song

One of mine too. Classic triplet chug, superb chorus and great evocative subject matter. Perfect Maiden.

Not fond of No Prayer except for JMG and this though.

Fear of the Dark is my least favourite Bruce album by a loooooong way. It might even be lower than the Blaze ones for me. I don't even like the title track much. Great riff, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 11, 2019, 05:47:56 AM
What's JMG?  Are you referring to Judas? That's on Fear.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2019, 09:16:58 AM
Fear of the Dark is my least favourite Bruce album by a loooooong way. It might even be lower than the Blaze ones for me. I don't even like the title track much. Great riff, though.

Fear and NPFTD are below TXF for me, V11 is my least favorite though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 11, 2019, 10:31:45 AM
Not only does that guy's voice sound spot on, but stylistically he's making all the right decisions. The inflections are exactly how Bruce might do it, moving back and forth from rough sounding FotD era to the cleaner TNotB era as the lyrics dictate. Those are things he'd have to figure out on his own since, thank the gods, Bruce never sang crappy Aerosmith songs.  Pretty impressive.

Good call.  Very good call.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 11, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
This is a non-story really but apparently IM sued the devs of an upcoming game called Ion Maiden, go figure.  :lol

Anyway the fanbase....of a game not even released is pretty salty, the game is now called Ion Fury.

Pretty funny reading the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjnhRz_GP3c


Whatever one might think about this lawsuit (http://cphpost.dk/news/iron-maiden-sues-danish-game-developer-for-copyright-infringement.html), if you name your game so obviously close to one of the biggest metal bands in the world you better have your lawyers at close proximity.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 11, 2019, 04:04:03 PM
What's JMG?  Are you referring to Judas? That's on Fear.

Oh yeah.  :facepalm:  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on July 11, 2019, 09:11:48 PM
This is a non-story really but apparently IM sued the devs of an upcoming game called Ion Maiden, go figure.  :lol

Anyway the fanbase....of a game not even released is pretty salty, the game is now called Ion Fury.

Pretty funny reading the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjnhRz_GP3c


Whatever one might think about this lawsuit (http://cphpost.dk/news/iron-maiden-sues-danish-game-developer-for-copyright-infringement.html), if you name your game so obviously close to one of the biggest metal bands in the world you better have your lawyers at close proximity.

The graphics look circa 2001. Why would anyone(the gamers) be upset about a cheap looking Duke Nuke'm knockoff?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 12, 2019, 12:22:47 AM
This is a non-story really but apparently IM sued the devs of an upcoming game called Ion Maiden, go figure.  :lol

Anyway the fanbase....of a game not even released is pretty salty, the game is now called Ion Fury.

Pretty funny reading the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjnhRz_GP3c


Whatever one might think about this lawsuit (http://cphpost.dk/news/iron-maiden-sues-danish-game-developer-for-copyright-infringement.html), if you name your game so obviously close to one of the biggest metal bands in the world you better have your lawyers at close proximity.

The comments caught me by surprise.  People really bagging the band and supporting the makers of the game?  It's a blatant marketing ploy calling it Ion Maiden.  Looking for sales and mooching off the name.  Lol.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 12, 2019, 02:14:31 AM
What's JMG?  Are you referring to Judas? That's on Fear.

Oh yeah.  :facepalm:  ;D

One of my favourite Maiden tracks ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bl5150 on July 12, 2019, 02:33:17 AM
This is a non-story really but apparently IM sued the devs of an upcoming game called Ion Maiden, go figure.  :lol

Anyway the fanbase....of a game not even released is pretty salty, the game is now called Ion Fury.

Pretty funny reading the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjnhRz_GP3c


Whatever one might think about this lawsuit (http://cphpost.dk/news/iron-maiden-sues-danish-game-developer-for-copyright-infringement.html), if you name your game so obviously close to one of the biggest metal bands in the world you better have your lawyers at close proximity.

The comments caught me by surprise.  People really bagging the band and supporting the makers of the game?  It's a blatant marketing ploy calling it Ion Maiden.  Looking for sales and mooching off the name.  Lol.

I'm not gonna read up on it but for me the context would be key.   The "Iron Maiden" was a thing (torture device) over a hundred years before the band used the name , so it's not as if they have a monopoly on the use of the term or similar.  Like any copyright it should come down to the context in which it is used.

Just IMHO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jcmoorehead on July 12, 2019, 02:43:40 AM
This is a non-story really but apparently IM sued the devs of an upcoming game called Ion Maiden, go figure.  :lol

Anyway the fanbase....of a game not even released is pretty salty, the game is now called Ion Fury.

Pretty funny reading the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjnhRz_GP3c


Whatever one might think about this lawsuit (http://cphpost.dk/news/iron-maiden-sues-danish-game-developer-for-copyright-infringement.html), if you name your game so obviously close to one of the biggest metal bands in the world you better have your lawyers at close proximity.

The comments caught me by surprise.  People really bagging the band and supporting the makers of the game?  It's a blatant marketing ploy calling it Ion Maiden.  Looking for sales and mooching off the name.  Lol.

I'm not gonna read up on it but for me the context would be key.   The "Iron Maiden" was a thing (torture device) over a hundred years before the band used the name , so it's not as if they have a monopoly on the use of the term or similar.  Like any copyright it should come down to the context in which it is used.

Just IMHO.

I don't necessarily agree the name is a marketing ploy either. The game is being put out by 3D Realms and is using an updated version of the classic Build Engine. Those two things alone are what attracted it a hell of a lot of attention. Since then it's also garnered a lot of acclaim from a number of publications, so it's not like they're putting out a crap piece of work.

I think they were of course aware of the similarity when they named it and perhaps it was even a bit of a tribute but I don't think there was ever the intention to trade off of the bands popularity.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 12, 2019, 04:00:24 AM
This is a non-story really but apparently IM sued the devs of an upcoming game called Ion Maiden, go figure.  :lol

Anyway the fanbase....of a game not even released is pretty salty, the game is now called Ion Fury.

Pretty funny reading the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjnhRz_GP3c


Whatever one might think about this lawsuit (http://cphpost.dk/news/iron-maiden-sues-danish-game-developer-for-copyright-infringement.html), if you name your game so obviously close to one of the biggest metal bands in the world you better have your lawyers at close proximity.

The comments caught me by surprise.  People really bagging the band and supporting the makers of the game?  It's a blatant marketing ploy calling it Ion Maiden.  Looking for sales and mooching off the name.  Lol.

I'm not gonna read up on it but for me the context would be key.   The "Iron Maiden" was a thing (torture device) over a hundred years before the band used the name , so it's not as if they have a monopoly on the use of the term or similar.  Like any copyright it should come down to the context in which it is used.

Just IMHO.

I don't necessarily agree the name is a marketing ploy either. The game is being put out by 3D Realms and is using an updated version of the classic Build Engine. Those two things alone are what attracted it a hell of a lot of attention. Since then it's also garnered a lot of acclaim from a number of publications, so it's not like they're putting out a crap piece of work.

I think they were of course aware of the similarity when they named it and perhaps it was even a bit of a tribute but I don't think there was ever the intention to trade off of the bands popularity.
The game seems cool but eitherway, when you choose a name for a game you might wanna first check if it's clever too build an IP on a name that obviously share a big similarity to one of the biggest metal bands in the world tribute or not. I could see this lawsuit a mile ahead!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 12, 2019, 04:03:06 AM
Let's not forget the logo was also shaped not too much dissimilar from Maiden's one.

Maybe "Ion Maiden" alone would have flown over people's head, but that name AND a similar logo.... that causes legal trouble, wether it's justified or not.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 12, 2019, 09:56:57 AM
Nicko is revealing the upcoming setlist the only way he could  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgcnGjqdeTA

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 12, 2019, 01:30:05 PM
*SPOILERS*




I'm glad that the setlist is shaping up the same as the previous leg so far. I've been worried that they would kill a lot of the deeper cuts for the sake of the boring American audience. Just waiting to hear Nick confirm that their keeping SotC, and I'll be very happy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 12, 2019, 01:38:32 PM
*SPOILERS*




I'm glad that the setlist is shaping up the same as the previous leg so far. I've been worried that they would kill a lot of the deeper cuts for the sake of the boring American audience. Just waiting to hear Nick confirm that their keeping SotC, and I'll be very happy.

I think he confirmed it in the preview I saw for these videos.  I'm also glad for this as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on July 12, 2019, 01:44:03 PM
Nicko is revealing the upcoming setlist the only way he could  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgcnGjqdeTA

 :lol I do enjoy Nicko's thick Cockney accent anytime.

If any of you guys and gals reading this has never listened to Listen With Nicko skits that were included in The First Ten Years-set (can be easily found in YouTube), go check them out. I heartily recommend them.

E: Watching the first part and Nicko talks about opening the set with an up-tempo song... Why didn't you bloody do it on The Final Frontier tour then you sods? I remember the show I saw, they played UFO's Doctor Doctor as last song before they went on stage and I was all giddy... and then started a four-minute video set to Satellite 15 which pretty much killed the mood there and then. Also, while The Final Frontier is a decent song, that's hardly a worthy set opener for a band that has songs like Prowler, Aces High, Moonchild and Be Quick Or Be Dead in their repertoire.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2019, 01:50:07 PM
"A CD!  We're gonna put it on a CD!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 12, 2019, 02:02:38 PM
E: Watching the first part and Nicko talks about opening the set with an up-tempo song... Why didn't you bloody do it on The Final Frontier tour then you sods? I remember the show I saw, they played UFO's Doctor Doctor as last song before they went on stage and I was all giddy... and then started a four-minute video set to Satellite 15 which pretty much killed the mood there and then. Also, while The Final Frontier is a decent song, that's hardly a worthy set opener for a band that has songs like Prowler, Aces High, Moonchild and Be Quick Or Be Dead in their repertoire.

Strongly, strongly, strongly disagree on this one. Satellite 15 is a great piece and the hype of it as a build-up to open the concert was really stunning to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on July 12, 2019, 02:04:11 PM
E: Watching the first part and Nicko talks about opening the set with an up-tempo song... Why didn't you bloody do it on The Final Frontier tour then you sods? I remember the show I saw, they played UFO's Doctor Doctor as last song before they went on stage and I was all giddy... and then started a four-minute video set to Satellite 15 which pretty much killed the mood there and then. Also, while The Final Frontier is a decent song, that's hardly a worthy set opener for a band that has songs like Prowler, Aces High, Moonchild and Be Quick Or Be Dead in their repertoire.

Strongly, strongly, strongly disagree on this one. Satellite 15 is a great piece and the hype of it as a build-up to open the concert was really stunning to me.

Of course, if you liked it more power to you.  :) To me, it was a let down.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 12, 2019, 02:04:29 PM
E: Watching the first part and Nicko talks about opening the set with an up-tempo song... Why didn't you bloody do it on The Final Frontier tour then you sods? I remember the show I saw, they played UFO's Doctor Doctor as last song before they went on stage and I was all giddy... and then started a four-minute video set to Satellite 15 which pretty much killed the mood there and then. Also, while The Final Frontier is a decent song, that's hardly a worthy set opener for a band that has songs like Prowler, Aces High, Moonchild and Be Quick Or Be Dead in their repertoire.

Strongly, strongly, strongly disagree on this one. Satellite 15 is a great piece and the hype of it as a build-up to open the concert was really stunning to me.

I'm with Ruba, I really enjoy TFF as a song, but it's probably the worst opener IM have ever had.  It's just too low energy for them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on July 12, 2019, 02:35:14 PM
Is there any indication at all of a new album being in the works? Who knows how much more time Maiden has. I just want one more album - with GOOD production - before they call it a day.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 12, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
Is there any indication at all of a new album being in the works? Who knows how much more time Maiden has. I just want one more album - with GOOD production - before they call it a day.

None really from the band but there's been rumors they've already recorded it.  But that's just rumors, who knows.  They managed to keep TBoS pretty hush hush for awhile too so I'm hopeful but who knows. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ruba on July 12, 2019, 02:40:34 PM
Is there any indication at all of a new album being in the works? Who knows how much more time Maiden has. I just want one more album - with GOOD production - before they call it a day.

I doubt they'd be kicking Kevin Shirley out. The last Iron Maiden album with good production was Fear of the Dark. Could they please goad Martin Birch out of retirement?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 12, 2019, 03:00:38 PM
Is there any indication at all of a new album being in the works? Who knows how much more time Maiden has. I just want one more album - with GOOD production - before they call it a day.

There's a whole thread on the Maidenfans forum dedicated to it. Lots of useless posts, but they are clueing together Instagram posts and stuff to piece together the recording times and place.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on July 12, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
Is there any indication at all of a new album being in the works? Who knows how much more time Maiden has. I just want one more album - with GOOD production - before they call it a day.

There's a whole thread on the Maidenfans forum dedicated to it. Lots of useless posts, but they are clueing together Instagram posts and stuff to piece together the recording times and place.

heretodaygonetohell.com is like that for GnR. But it's much more "hey here's a crumb let's analyze it for the next 5 years until another crumb comes along"  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on July 13, 2019, 12:23:33 AM
Hey bosk! Even Steve Harris disagrees with you.  :rollin

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/iron-maiden-grammy-win/

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2019, 07:53:06 AM
Hey bosk! Even Steve Harris disagrees with you.  :rollin

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/iron-maiden-grammy-win/

Then Steve Harris is a tool.  The next time he thinks about forming an opinion, he should consult me first.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 15, 2019, 07:58:11 AM
At least it's a nice call back to when they got the #1 single in the UK with Bring your Daughter to the Slaughter, "cheating" by releasing multiple versions on Xmas Eve  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on July 15, 2019, 05:05:38 PM
Hey bosk! Even Steve Harris disagrees with you.  :rollin

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/iron-maiden-grammy-win/

Then Steve Harris is a tool.  The next time he thinks about forming an opinion, he should consult me first.

 :rollin


I love you, man. This cracked me up.

For the record, I don’t get the hate for El Dorado either. TFF is a fantastic top to bottom reunion album, and ED is great single.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2019, 06:52:00 PM
So here's my take on El Dorado.

I feel like El Dorado would've made a better second track on The Book Of Souls, and Speed Of Light would've made a better second track on The Final Frontier.

I feel that each songs' themes fit better with the other album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on July 15, 2019, 07:30:37 PM
So here's my take on El Dorado.

I feel like El Dorado would've made a better second track on The Book Of Souls, and Speed Of Light would've made a better second track on The Final Frontier.

I feel that each songs' themes fit better with the other album.

This is actually an excellent point!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2019, 08:00:20 PM
Actually?  :lol ;D



I made that point when The Book Of Souls came out a couple times, but was roundly ignored. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 15, 2019, 09:07:05 PM
El Dorado is the worst Iron Maiden song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on July 15, 2019, 09:30:36 PM
Actually?  :lol ;D



I made that point when The Book Of Souls came out a couple times, but was roundly ignored. :lol

Well, I never saw it, and I'm agreeing with it now.  :angel:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on July 15, 2019, 09:37:40 PM
I remember liking El Dorado when it dropped but didn't take to TFF too highly, and still don't listen to it hardly ever. So I never thought about it possibly being better placed on Book of Souls. Will consider that next time I listen. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 16, 2019, 06:37:53 AM
So not to overtake Kev's Classic albums thread with a Thin Lizzy/Iron Maiden discussion, I'm reposting this here..

Any suggestions for Thin Lizzy songs that have sparkles of what Iron Maiden would later be inspired from? I know that they were a huge influence for Maiden, so I'd be interested to know if there are songs that would make you think "Ah, yeah, I guess this is what inspired Iron Maiden". (I did listen to some stuff here and there and off the top of my head Emerald is a great song, but I wanted to see if there's some consensus about which songs more represent what Iron Maiden got inspired from).

So considering Steve Harris turned 14 in 1970, you'd have to think he was inspired by the early Eric Bell Era albums. Even though there was only one guitarist on these first three albums, there are a number of songs that have pretty interesting arrangements likeThe Rise And Fall Of The Funky Nomadic Tribes (https://open.spotify.com/track/1mfVusgIGEV4uRzFrXiyjX?si=FkYWOmwwS_WUPEym4DFt9w), not that this will make you think of Iron Maiden, but it's a cool arrangement for a 1972 song. Knowing Steve was also influenced by Yes, Jethro Tull, and Wishbone Ash, song arrangements seemed to be something that interested him.

And Gonna Creep Up On You (https://open.spotify.com/track/2AHBw2jEUeQPREvpv0hI3t?si=jqxIlhkYSUWvELmTC2ZYQA) (not a great song by any stretch..) starts out with some serious bass. I mean Steve Harris played basically the same bass guitar as Lynott.

Now I wouldn't start anyone on Thin Lizzy on their first three albums. But once Scott Gorham and Brian Robertson joined the band, there developed a harmonized two guitar style that is Thin Lizzy's greatest gift to Iron Maiden.

That classic era included Fighting (1975), Jailbreak and Johnnie The Fox (both 1976) and Bad Reputation (1977).

No song really screams IRON MAIDEN to me.

Obviously, there's Massacre (https://open.spotify.com/track/2qU9TKbgn0VLu51lFkjm47?si=0dIs4YEOT6q9CmKoslEeGw) which Iron Maiden actually covered.

You mentioned Emerald, which would be the first Thin Lizzy song I would play for an Iron Maiden fan wanting to dive into Thin Lizzy.

I think Steve Harris would have generally been influenced by Thin Lizzy's storytelling and imagination. Again, the musical component was the twin guitar harmonies.


I'm not sure what Nicko's influences are. Pretty sure he was already professionally playing in the mid 70's, but I always found that the drumming to Opium Trail (https://open.spotify.com/track/7ChneMmokAVhsnOsCk4Q3a?si=qUUEJ9aqQjugl2MDl4qxpA) reminds me of Nicko.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 16, 2019, 07:02:56 AM
Yay, thanks a lot!  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on July 19, 2019, 08:02:33 AM
Setlist "Spoilers" from the 1st night.



01. Aces High
02. Where Eagles Dare
03. 2 Minutes To Midnight
04. The Clansman
05. The Trooper
06. Revelations
07. For The Greater Good Of God
08. The Wicker Man
09. Sign Of The Cross
10. Flight Of Icarus
11. Fear Of The Dark
12. The Number Of The Beast
13. Iron Maiden

Encore:

14. The Evil That Men Do
15. Hallowed Be They Name
16. Run To The Hills
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2019, 08:04:44 AM
No song dropped for Wrathwchild  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2019, 08:05:45 AM
Other than the length (seems short), that's a great set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2019, 08:11:03 AM
No song dropped for Wrathwchild  :metal

 :lol  :metal

Next week is Maiden week for me, back to back nights in Brooklyn again.

Speaking of.... I have an extra ticket for the July 27th show at Barclays center, first row seat above the floor.  I can't sell it according to ticket master and none of my friends bit on it, so if someone wants the ticket, please shoot me a message.  I am able to transfer it on ticketmaster.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 19, 2019, 08:12:39 AM
No song dropped for Wrathwchild  :metal
Holy shit, you're right!  :omg:

In terms of length, this is a regular set for them, around 100 minutes. That's what they've been doing at least for the last 10 years since I've been following them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 19, 2019, 08:22:18 AM
No song dropped for Wrathwchild  :metal

Yep, thrilled to see the setlist made it completely intact, complete with a whole lot of my favorite songs. Honestly, this is maybe their best setlist since they just plopped the full AMOLAD into the first set.

Just 2 months away for me!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2019, 08:31:17 AM
In terms of length, this is a regular set for them, around 100 minutes. That's what they've been doing at least for the last 10 years since I've been following them.

Yeah, I guess you're right.  I think they've sometimes gone just a bit over that, but not by a lot.  I was also just looking at the number of songs.  But they've got a couple of longer ones in there, so that makes the set longer than it looks just going off the number.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2019, 08:34:37 AM
Indeed, three songs alone (Clansman, Greater Good and Sign of the Cross) make up for 30 minutes of showtime.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
Indeed, three songs alone (Clansman, Greater Good and Sign of the Cross) make up for 30 minutes of showtime.

I'm not sure which of these three I'm looking forward to the most.  Probably Sign if I had to choose, but this is the meat of the set for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 19, 2019, 08:48:18 AM
Yep, this will please me nicely when they come to LA.  I don't know what my expectations are when it comes to the set of the tour when it started (because I know they were going to perform tremendously).  I was just hoping for a few songs in the modern reunion era and they got some fine picks that I want to see, especially For the Greater Good of God.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2019, 08:51:37 AM
Man, I am REALLY tempted to go see them.  I still have never done so.  But it also really is not in the budget.  Hmm...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on July 19, 2019, 08:55:56 AM
Man, I am REALLY tempted to go see them.  I still have never done so.  But it also really is not in the budget.  Hmm...

You live once. Do it :metal

:biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2019, 09:02:32 AM
Man, I am REALLY tempted to go see them.  I still have never done so.  But it also really is not in the budget.  Hmm...

Your opportunities are getting less and less, I don't expect a few of these songs to ever get played again.  Or you could just fly to NYC next weekend and Ill give you my extra ticket.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2019, 09:07:00 AM
Man, I am REALLY tempted to go see them.  I still have never done so.  But it also really is not in the budget.  Hmm...

Your opportunities are getting less and less, I don't expect a few of these songs to ever get played again.  Or you could just fly to NYC next weekend and Ill give you my extra ticket.

:omg:  That is actually a REALLY tempting offer.  Man, I wish I could!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 19, 2019, 09:12:13 AM
Man, I am REALLY tempted to go see them.  I still have never done so.  But it also really is not in the budget.  Hmm...

Your opportunities are getting less and less, I don't expect a few of these songs to ever get played again.  Or you could just fly to NYC next weekend and Ill give you my extra ticket.

:omg:  That is actually a REALLY tempting offer.  Man, I wish I could!
Eh, how do you know your kids even want to go to college.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2019, 09:23:21 AM
:lol  Although "go to college" is my default for them, I'm also open to them going to trade school or no post-HS school at all if that is the best path for whatever careers they choose/fall into. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2019, 09:26:47 AM
No song dropped for Wrathwchild  :metal

 :rollin

That literally cracked me up! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 19, 2019, 10:32:48 AM
Super excited for the show next Saturday in Brooklyn (and the many beers that will come beforehand) :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2019, 10:34:21 AM
Super excited for the show next Saturday in Brooklyn (and the many beers that will come beforehand) :metal

You are going now?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: max_security on July 19, 2019, 01:35:01 PM
My work gave me two tickets for Wednesday 7-24 and the day off 7-25 , been so busy I haven't gotten stoked for this. Think I'll start NOW , lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 19, 2019, 01:39:10 PM
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/concert-reviews/iron-maidens-legacy-beast-tour-kicks-off-fort-lauderdale-florida-photos-video
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on July 19, 2019, 01:42:59 PM
Sad to see Bruce looking so old.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2019, 01:44:43 PM
Fantastic pics!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2019, 01:46:59 PM
Sad to see Bruce looking so old.

...Or:  "wonderful to see Bruce still rocking so hard when he is so old."  Just sayin'.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2019, 01:50:02 PM
I think he looks cool!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 19, 2019, 02:03:49 PM
I mean he sported that look really well in the pic with the sword fight with Eddie.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on July 19, 2019, 02:16:38 PM
My work gave me two tickets for Wednesday 7-24 and the day off 7-25

Is your employer hiring?


Sad to see Bruce looking so old.

I mean....dude is 60 years old.  Nicko is 60-freakin'-7 years old (three months older than Neil Peart) and still destroying the drums.  The sad thing is that they're still dragging Janick Gers around with them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on July 19, 2019, 03:10:15 PM
It's funny, I completely forget that these guys are so old (respectfully). Despite Book of Souls' terrible production they played their hearts out on that record and Bruce especially - can't believe he was in his late 50s putting out the scream at the beginning of Speed of Light.

But from those pics it looks like he'll be doubling as both singer and Eddie soon enough  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2019, 04:07:51 PM
It's funny, I completely forget that these guys are so old (respectfully). Despite Book of Souls' terrible production they played their hearts out on that record and Bruce especially - can't believe he was in his late 50s putting out the scream at the beginning of Speed of Light.

But from those pics it looks like he'll be doubling as both singer and Eddie soon enough  :lol

Dont forget about Bruce's golf ball sized tumor in his throat while doing that recording.  When you think about all that, it really is absolutely insane how amazing of a story that is of battling cancer head on.  The recovery and then taking the show to the road.  Stadler and I were there at the last show of the tour with Bruce stripping and throwing all his clothes into the crowd, one of the best concert moments ever.  My friend still today is so mad at the tall guy near us who caught the boot so easily with his height and arms.

I honestly don't know how they do it, but this is kind of what I mean Bosk, these guys are old, you aren't going to get many opportunities to see this kind of show anymore and unlike other bands who are of similar age, these guys still put on a great show and performance. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2019, 04:14:37 PM
Bosk, if you have the opportunity you MUST go. They really are the greatest live band out there. You will truly be amazed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2019, 04:26:18 PM
http://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-release-official-video-recap-of-last-night-s-2019-legacy-of-the-beast-tour-launch
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 19, 2019, 05:41:24 PM
Man, I am REALLY tempted to go see them.  I still have never done so.  But it also really is not in the budget.  Hmm...

FUCKING DO IT!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 19, 2019, 06:38:11 PM
Super excited for the show next Saturday in Brooklyn (and the many beers that will come beforehand) :metal

You are going now?

Yeah, ended up getting tickets with one of my beer buddies.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 20, 2019, 04:54:19 AM
http://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-release-official-video-recap-of-last-night-s-2019-legacy-of-the-beast-tour-launch

The clip gave me an answer about what I was always wondering, if metal bands do a full dress rehearsal with all the stage costumes and effects and the likes... I guess they do, after all I'm sure opera productions do it all the time at least once before a show, it's just weird to sing in front of an empty house, does Bruce even rehearses his speeches and crowd interactions I wonder?  :D "Ok, here we'll do a pause, let me try the speech that will lead into The Clansman, Nicko don't start until I actually announce the name of the song"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: max_security on July 20, 2019, 06:49:59 AM
My work gave me two tickets for Wednesday 7-24 and the day off 7-25

Is your employer hiring?


Sad to see Bruce looking so old.

I mean....dude is 60 years old.  Nicko is 60-freakin'-7 years old (three months older than Neil Peart) and still destroying the drums.  The sad thing is that they're still dragging Janick Gers around with them.

I really have to pretend he is not there , the last Maiden concert I attended was Somewhere In Time 87 I think. 

Yes , actually to hiring . Shoot last month he took a few of us offshore fishing in OC MD with hotel etc. , new truck for me this year , couple of unexpected cash bonuses... been a good year on the work front.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 20, 2019, 06:59:24 AM
How does it feel then you realize Janick wrote some of their best stuff over the last 20 years? I assume you're probably not into the newer stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2019, 07:59:51 AM
How does it feel then you realize Janick wrote some of their best stuff over the last 20 years? I assume you're probably not into the newer stuff.

Well, "best" is subjective, isn't it?

I looked back, and if I listed my top ten reunion songs, he didn't write one of them.   "Dance Of Death" is the closest to that list. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2019, 08:01:24 AM
It's funny, I completely forget that these guys are so old (respectfully). Despite Book of Souls' terrible production they played their hearts out on that record and Bruce especially - can't believe he was in his late 50s putting out the scream at the beginning of Speed of Light.

But from those pics it looks like he'll be doubling as both singer and Eddie soon enough  :lol

Dont forget about Bruce's golf ball sized tumor in his throat while doing that recording.  When you think about all that, it really is absolutely insane how amazing of a story that is of battling cancer head on.  The recovery and then taking the show to the road.  Stadler and I were there at the last show of the tour with Bruce stripping and throwing all his clothes into the crowd, one of the best concert moments ever.  My friend still today is so mad at the tall guy near us who caught the boot so easily with his height and arms.

I honestly don't know how they do it, but this is kind of what I mean Bosk, these guys are old, you aren't going to get many opportunities to see this kind of show anymore and unlike other bands who are of similar age, these guys still put on a great show and performance.

I've seen them five or six times, and that show is, in it's own way, the best one I've seen.   The energy coming off that stage was just unbelievable.


As for the rehearsals... not a knock at all on Bruce (and I haven't seen that video yet) but his "raps" are not that spontaneous.  He does a good job of making them sound like they are, but they're not.  I also don't think the dress rehearsals are in front of an empty house.  It might not be 20,000 Maiden maniacs, but they do let friends and family and hangers-on in.   Not so much anymore, but Jim Koplik, the local promoter here in CT, used to let out the local ampitheater for bands to rehearse, and while I never got to go myself, I know people that have, and there's still a bit of energy to the proceedings.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on July 20, 2019, 08:26:49 AM
I don't think I'll ever get to see Maiden (or GnR) live because of the cost of tickets. That really makes me sad because there's very little I want to experience live more than Bruce screaming at the crowd and getting everyone amped. Man. What a legendary frontman.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 20, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
How does it feel then you realize Janick wrote some of their best stuff over the last 20 years? I assume you're probably not into the newer stuff.

Well, "best" is subjective, isn't it?

I looked back, and if I listed my top ten reunion songs, he didn't write one of them.   "Dance Of Death" is the closest to that list.
That's a shame. What about The Legacy, The Talisman, The Book of souls, Dream of mirrors? Even some of the ones that aren't generally acclaimed are huge favorites of mine, such as The Alchemist or Gates of tomorrow. I think with songs such as those, Janick truly earned his place in the band and contributed a lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 20, 2019, 10:31:18 AM
I guess I'll cave and get a good seat for $200 freaking dollars.


The Legacy is a great song, love the buildup. Instant favorite once I heard it, bought AMOLAD once it came out, good time to be a new Maiden fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 20, 2019, 02:59:57 PM
My work gave me two tickets for Wednesday 7-24 and the day off 7-25

Is your employer hiring?


Sad to see Bruce looking so old.

I mean....dude is 60 years old.  Nicko is 60-freakin'-7 years old (three months older than Neil Peart) and still destroying the drums.  The sad thing is that they're still dragging Janick Gers around with them.

I really have to pretend he is not there , the last Maiden concert I attended was Somewhere In Time 87 I think. 

Yes , actually to hiring . Shoot last month he took a few of us offshore fishing in OC MD with hotel etc. , new truck for me this year , couple of unexpected cash bonuses... been a good year on the work front.

Janick has been a member for 29 years, I thought people would have gotten over it and accepted it by now.  He's an important member and agree he's written a lot of the better reunion songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 21, 2019, 12:44:43 PM
Agreed Janick is a great musician and a good showman!  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PowerSlave on July 22, 2019, 01:04:39 AM
I really don't care for his lead playing, but the fact that he wrote Dream of Mirrors gained a ton of respect from me. In my opinion, it's the best song on that album minus the intro section.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2019, 04:23:51 AM
My work gave me two tickets for Wednesday 7-24 and the day off 7-25

Is your employer hiring?


Sad to see Bruce looking so old.

I mean....dude is 60 years old.  Nicko is 60-freakin'-7 years old (three months older than Neil Peart) and still destroying the drums.  The sad thing is that they're still dragging Janick Gers around with them.

I really have to pretend he is not there , the last Maiden concert I attended was Somewhere In Time 87 I think. 

Yes , actually to hiring . Shoot last month he took a few of us offshore fishing in OC MD with hotel etc. , new truck for me this year , couple of unexpected cash bonuses... been a good year on the work front.

Janick has been a member for 29 years, I thought people would have gotten over it and accepted it by now.  He's an important member and agree he's written a lot of the better reunion songs.
Yea i've never understood either why Janick gets so much flak, he does his thing on stage that I find is part of the package at this point and has been for ages.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 22, 2019, 08:50:20 AM
I can't speak for anyone else, but it's not a matter of "not accepting".  He's there.  Not calling for Steve to send him home. For the same reason I believe DT isn't the same without MP and with MM, I think Janick is good for the "clubhouse" and has done much to keep the band together.  I would agree that live, they are - pun certainly intended - a beast, and in good part because of Janick being there.  I'm not bagging on him at all.   I can do without the Cinderella-esque "guitar swing", but he's a good player.   I just think that historically, Adrian is the guy - of the three guitar players - that delivers on the material that I pump my fist to most each and every concert. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 23, 2019, 12:27:04 AM
The only thing I will agree with the Janick haters on, is when Adrian came back in and Janick took some of his solos.  Not only did he take those solos but he did butcher a lot of them.  That's something I will just never understand.  I know they were probably just trying to split them more evenly but the whole thing was weird.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 23, 2019, 01:13:14 AM
Not only did he take those solos but he did butcher a lot of them. 

Some might say he took them and played them in his own style, making them his own.

I like Janick's solos - he has a fluid, improv almost psychedelic style that really brings something different to the Maiden sound. It's the contrast between the three guitar styles that really make Maiden what they are these days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 23, 2019, 07:41:12 AM
The only thing I will agree with the Janick haters on, is when Adrian came back in and Janick took some of his solos.  Not only did he take those solos but he did butcher a lot of them.  That's something I will just never understand.  I know they were probably just trying to split them more evenly but the whole thing was weird.

I agree, but also if this was 15 years ago, at this point, if you are still bitching about Janick it just comes off as someone who likes to bitch IMO.  Janick has earned everything he's got in IM and adds a lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 23, 2019, 07:53:50 AM
Not only did he take those solos but he did butcher a lot of them. 

Some might say he took them and played them in his own style, making them his own.

I like Janick's solos - he has a fluid, improv almost psychedelic style that really brings something different to the Maiden sound. It's the contrast between the three guitar styles that really make Maiden what they are these days.

That's one thing I will agree on:  if you really listen, they are three VERY different players, and so they do complement each other (though I'm still a Dave guy after all these years.  He's the man, and probably in my top three favorite guitar players ever).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 23, 2019, 03:47:26 PM
Even though I said what I said there, I still love his playing style.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2019, 04:19:29 PM
I think Jannick plays that way specifically to stand out from Dave and Adrian. I mean, this wasn't really his style on Tattooed Millionaire.

Plus as Stadler said, He's a real glue guy in the band. He's also not some guy that joined the band from blind auditions. He's been friends with the band long before he ever joined.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 23, 2019, 05:55:07 PM
I'll let you know that I have an official permission, signed by Rod Smallwood, and verified by a notary public, to hate Jannick Gers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2019, 06:10:24 PM
If you hate Jannick Gers, you are simply not human.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 23, 2019, 06:11:19 PM
I'll let you know that I have an official permission, signed by Rod Smallwood, and verified by a notary public, to hate Jannick Gers.
But that's not enough..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on July 23, 2019, 08:20:03 PM
Just unplug his guitar, and everything will be fine. Heck he’s not playing half the time anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2019, 08:23:16 PM
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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 23, 2019, 08:31:54 PM
What's with Maiden all wearing their own band shirts now?  Janick started that; that was always verboten where I came from. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2019, 01:59:40 AM
They're Iron Maiden, they're trend setters. If they do it it means it must be right. That's how I live by  :hat
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 24, 2019, 05:22:54 AM
I think Jannick plays that way specifically to stand out from Dave and Adrian. I mean, this wasn't really his style on Tattooed Millionaire.

Plus as Stadler said, He's a real glue guy in the band. He's also not some guy that joined the band from blind auditions. He's been friends with the band long before he ever joined.

For me, Janick is a different beast live and in the studio.  From a guitarist point of view, some of his studio solos are really quite interesting and thought out and some even quite clever from a technical point of view.  Live, I think he gets caught up in the emotion of the stage show but him as a guitarist is no fucking slouch.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ShadowWalker on July 24, 2019, 12:54:10 PM
Got my tix for tonight. Tix that would have been $89.50 face before Live Nation fees procured for $50. Thank you Craig's List!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 24, 2019, 12:58:40 PM
Got my tix for tonight. Tix that would have been $89.50 face before Live Nation fees procured for $50. Thank you Craig's List!!!

 :metal :metal

This week is going so slow leading up to Maiden Weekend in Brooklyn™ I got my tickets settled with one friend joining me on the floor for Friday night and another friend joining me in the first row above the floor for Saturday and a hotel booked near Barclays Center for the weekend, plus the day off work Friday so I can get there nice and early  :metal :metal

This will be my 12 and 13th time seeing IM, and I don't have a single full IM song on my channel.  Looking to change that since I have my camera now and a good seat, and I looking to mix footage from the floor and stands of both nights into one full video. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 24, 2019, 01:50:32 PM
Got my tix for tonight. Tix that would have been $89.50 face before Live Nation fees procured for $50. Thank you Craig's List!!!

 :metal :metal

This week is going so slow leading up to Maiden Weekend in Brooklyn™ I got my tickets settled with one friend joining me on the floor for Friday night and another friend joining me in the first row above the floor for Saturday and a hotel booked near Barclays Center for the weekend, plus the day off work Friday so I can get there nice and early  :metal :metal

This will be my 12 and 13th time seeing IM, and I don't have a single full IM song on my channel.  Looking to change that since I have my camera now and a good seat, and I looking to mix footage from the floor and stands of both nights into one full video.

That's so awesome.

I just saw them last tour and It was sooo damn good I already want to see them again. Gotta keep an eye on stub hub or whatever to see if there's any decent deals closer to the show.

It blows my damn mind that they are like in their mid 60's and put on a show like they were 20  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2019, 01:58:32 PM
I would say that, in some respects, they are able to put on a show that is better than if they were in their 20s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: max_security on July 24, 2019, 02:14:58 PM
I have my tickets , VIP parking and lounge passes , and my cigarette lighter  ..I'm all set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 24, 2019, 02:16:08 PM
Having seen them on the Number of the Beast tour, the Piece of Mind tour, and now the Book of Souls tour (with shows in between) I can agree with that.   It helps that Bruce and Steve have close to the same energy they always had, but more than made up for in experience.   

I haven't been this psyched for a show in a long time.    That Brooklyn show last year was everything you could ask for in a big arena metal show. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 24, 2019, 03:21:49 PM
You get your ticket situation sorted Stads?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 24, 2019, 03:34:55 PM
Can't wait for next Thursday!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 25, 2019, 07:17:54 AM
You get your ticket situation sorted Stads?

Not yet; playing a little of the waiting game.   I have little doubt I'll be in at showtime, but while tickets are dropping in the secondary market, they're not where I'd like them to be yet (YET!). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on July 25, 2019, 10:44:38 AM
You get your ticket situation sorted Stads?

Not yet; playing a little of the waiting game.   I have little doubt I'll be in at showtime, but while tickets are dropping in the secondary market, they're not where I'd like them to be yet (YET!). 

One other thing I was thinking about was that you might want to check the FB event page for that show that Iron Maiden should have set up. If the Brooklyn show is any indication, there should be plenty of people posting trying to get rid of tickets. Not sure if you'll get a better price there (or if you'd buy not through a direct channel), but could be worth checking out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 25, 2019, 10:46:33 AM
Thank you!  I wouldn't have looked there! (Seriously; that's not sarcastic.  I'm not on FB.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 25, 2019, 10:48:59 AM
Be careful, most on facebook are scams.  Don't send anyone money without paypal protection.  I've successfully bought tickets under face value from people on facebook before but you got to dig through all the fakes to find the real people.  It's actually quite fun once you've realized the person is a scam so you can mess around back with them.  I got one guy real good, I screen shot the whole convo and I should find it and tweet it becuase it's hilarious and disgusting
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on July 25, 2019, 11:43:46 AM
Thank you!  I wouldn't have looked there! (Seriously; that's not sarcastic.  I'm not on FB.)

You could try Cragslist too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 25, 2019, 12:59:06 PM
Be careful, most on facebook are scams.  Don't send anyone money without paypal protection.  I've successfully bought tickets under face value from people on facebook before but you got to dig through all the fakes to find the real people.  It's actually quite fun once you've realized the person is a scam so you can mess around back with them.  I got one guy real good, I screen shot the whole convo and I should find it and tweet it becuase it's hilarious and disgusting

That happened to me with Bruce Springsteen Broadway tickets on Craigslist.   They were WAY underpriced ($200 maybe, I don't remember; when I finally did go, the guys next to me paid $6000 - SIX THOUSAND - for their seats) and while I didn't know at first, it didn't take long before it was clear it was a scam.   I played with them a while, then they either got wise or lost interest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: max_security on July 26, 2019, 02:37:15 PM
Well , I'm really glad I got to see them again , it has been a long , long time. I did come away with a different perspective of the third guitar player and the newer material did sound better than most of the classics. This venue is an open air type arrangement and the weather was incredibly nice . My seats were in the first seated row ( and slightly elevated ) and exactly center stage. I think 3 decades of rock and roll and construction have taken their toll on my ears  , I say this because I see some vids on YouTube that were taken very close to where I was seated and sound incredible ( much better than they did at the time to me ). And I wish Steve would write a book on aging , I know I would buy at least 1 copy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 26, 2019, 02:43:20 PM
Well , I'm really glad I got to see them again , it has been a long , long time. I did come away with a different perspective of the third guitar player and the newer material did sound better than most of the classics. This venue is an open air type arrangement and the weather was incredibly nice . My seats were in the first seated row ( and slightly elevated ) and exactly center stage. I think 3 decades of rock and roll and construction have taken their toll on my ears  , I say this because I see some vids on YouTube that were taken very close to where I was seated and sound incredible ( much better than they did at the time to me ). And I wish Steve would write a book on aging , I know I would buy at least 1 copy.

The videos don't represent what you hear with your own ears.  I know this from my own experience recording concerts.  I know Maiden are a pretty loud band, a good camera can filter through the loudness and capture the instruments better than our own ears sometimes.  Having said that, sounds like you had a great view and night.  I wish they brought this show to my local amphitheater, really enjoy the outdoor shows on nice nights. 

But I'm in brooklyn now, just made a cocktail and going to head to the bars soon near the venue.  Maybe Montrose?  :hat
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 27, 2019, 09:38:01 AM
All I can say is "WOW" that was a wild show.  For one, the crowd was dead on the floor.  Easily got up pretty close and was able to rock out without people all over me. Kind of odd, I've been up front for many Maiden shows, never experienced it where there wasn't a push when they hit the stage.  No pit, no one doing anything in fact it seems people actually gave me space.  The show was sold out too, maybe they limited the tickets for the floor or something but it seemed plenty of space up close which was really weird, but I had no issues with it.  I rocked out the entire show jumping and going wild, completely drenched in sweat.  Great work out, I couldn't believe the amount of energy I had.  They were so good.  Bring on night 2! But I won't be on the floor, kind of wish I was but the only issue with the floor is I can't get good video, I did get lots of clips though so I'll leave this one here and I hope to get a song or two tonight and have my full video of the weekend done by tomorrow night.

My tweet from Flight of Icarus (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1155138483234775040)

also, a can of Trooper beer was $18.50  :eek I had one and kept the can for memories but it definitely wasn't worth that price.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2019, 11:56:52 AM
Back to that "WOW"....

Unbelievable weekend in Brooklyn.  I just can't believe how awesome of a show IM are putting out there.  This was the first time seeing IM since reading Bruce's autobiography, but so much of this show makes so much sense to me from Bruce's mind.  Also, the set list makes a lot of sense too.  Below is my long review...

The show starts off with more a of "war" theme.  There's camoflage on the stage (Nicko's drum set is hardly even visible as he's behind a camo mesh).  This place comes out and it's Aces High, a fighter plane song.  The plane isn't just sitting above my head, it's moving too with the propeller spinning.  It's going up/down, left/right, tilting and shifting.  Quite amazed how much it was able to move in that spot to really make it feel like a flying plane.  Bruce is also wearing his pilot hat (not sure what it's called) and just looks so fit for the part wearing it while belting out Aces High

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67268413_10119931338240284_8670296887556833280_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQmtW0EVNQ2ymwHMAReEijB4ZY8lF8e6WQ7SywefPAdDXI3qYFEjMitI7al7J-IJ0Dg&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=4ae235326e9adae430b4e1095757ee10&oe=5DEB8607)

Then we get some more older songs with Where Eagles Dare and 2 Minutes to Midnight, both with their own backgrounds (seems every song gets its own background these days, all very well done images too).  Bruce in a straight jacket, drawing up images from Peace of Mind.  Then Bruce gives his talk.  Night one he spoke a bout all the foreign flags he saw and both nights mentioned the 14k sized crowds and that metal is alive and well.  Then both nights his speeches went to the same spot, to talk about freedom.  The Clansman is such an awesome song.  Bruce has his sword for this song to just dance and swing it as he sings.  The crowd singing Freedom.  Amazing, song was everything I had hoped it would be live.  Following this, and with the camaflage still up on the stage, they go into the last "battle" song of The Trooper.  Having seen this so many times, it's really not one I love watching live anymore, but they added some flare to this to make it entertaining.  Eddie came out for a sword fight (Bruce was still swinging his sword from the Clansman) and after thier little skirmish (and a kick to the butt by Eddie to Bruce) Bruce comes back out with a musket with the American flag on it and shoots Eddie right as he sings the line "I pull the trigger feel the blow"

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67290780_10119931338180404_533527864075616256_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQl1-_J4W_7rEOvMXnZc1_Qo_nCdoDh2NaTTaFMV8wl77tBSuU0IJmij1NgI00Q4pcg&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=67cd327c0e9daf3f2183de671df6982c&oe=5DDFA011)
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67455586_10119931340610534_844929146407616512_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQmGwBOMnWmk2lGApdZ0gtg5yZ56m1hKpMM-5QBawTP1fmk1Fw6rvq1ofWLnK-D_MwY&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=da9dd57608668a3ace09501e44170808&oe=5DDBED6D)

And now the show begins...

Seriously though, things change here and 5 songs in, off comes the mesh around the back of the stage.  Now you can see Nicko's kit fully and we get a new back drop and now some side panels to the stage all of awesome Eddie images in stained glass making the whole stage look like you are now inside an Iron Maiden church (makes me think of that guy from the Flight 666 film  :lol ) oh and also some chandeliers from the lights come down adding to the church feel.  It makes sense, they play Revelations followed by For The Greater Good of God (full song from night 2) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUIVFE_ycZk)  No extra thrills here, just two religious songs performed awesomely in a church themed stage.   

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67796621_10119931338210344_509936703935348736_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQl3NDUmPjSrnY8CMVi8iSrnxczNpKNRzDHp6DT49qTNeJguvwgPZx6WATGIPQzLxjI&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=baad4edbcf483648a18967f9c58515a0&oe=5DA20557)

They then play The Wickerman.  I was up real close on Dave's side for night 1 and this was a real fun one to rock out too.  Quick hitter song.  Now came the centerpiece.  The side stain glass looking panels stayed up and another awesome image for the background came up.  It was like the church was now burning in the distance and we were in the graveyard near by.  A cross was placed in the center of the stage, Bruce came out with a hooded cape on, and I love the first verse of this song  :metal.  During the song, Bruce rips the cross out from the floor and it lights up as he holds it out towards the crowd before running away with it as the guitar instrumental part gets going.  Lots of fireworks too, reminiscent of Rime of the Ancient Mariner from Flight 666.  Bruce comes back out on the top of the back with the cross and places it down behind Nicko's kit with flames coming out from the stage as the song ends

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67458984_10119931312646574_1458343290519683072_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQkiXkzs9UcYdqRMzAAxCpFK8s9hWFeoupXgG8BFaqb3FkQSFWc0V10YqdsPJK6TRwM&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=eb06f72f76218dd3ec6eb32488c51d66&oe=5DA2EB75)

After the burning is over, a large angel comes out behind Nicko... and it's about to burn too!  :lol The imagery here is so strong.  A cloudy background, the stained glass is gone although the side panels remain.  Definitely has a heavenly feel to the stage.  Bruce has a flame thrower and looks like he's having a blast just shooting flames wherever and whenever he pleases throughout the entire song.  Until we get more fireworks as the angel falls from getting too close to the sun with it's wings shriveling up as it goes down and away.  :hat (you can see my tweet I linked in my last post for that)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67355465_10119931332521744_2818563427482468352_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQkxx5ijgDSHXIxoBtYRS8_OK5d4Hp7gN_ZK7YpmFL-Xfpm9FmyPyoGq5zD9NDIKWqU&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=3e337ec4521c665d425ed04452ea67df&oe=5DDCE974)

To me, that was the end of what made this show so unique and memorable and different than any other show I've seen from them.  From here on out we get the hits, but the show still delivers the good and the theatrics don't end just yet although nothing from here on out quite reaches the level of Sign of the Cross in terms of power and vibe from the music + show.  The go into Fear of the Dark next.  Bruce has a cool green light he carries around and this gets the crowd singing again (Flight of Icarus had the crowd engaged, but not everyone was singing along lets say).  It's fun, but its been done time and time again.  The Number of the Beast follows and this one brings lots and lots of fire as usual, maybe a bit more than usual though and I love some pyro.  The set closer is Iron Maiden of course and we get the big stage Eddie as well.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67383456_10119931316548754_4094882323210698752_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQly51EUFSsNR37oUcyBMY-n-7gqYSLzYUMvX-dqS2CsvZWh_w0ToJKcra6mujKKNtU&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=c26d70686bd62f9c70f5c11247be6419&oe=5DE2FE51)

Maybe the most dissapointing song for me was the first of the encore.  I really love The Evil That Men Do, but something about this made me feel like no one in the band wanted to play it or something.  For once in the show, Bruce seemed uninterested and just essentially talked teh verses.  There was no stage show or anything, this felt like IM stripped down but just also felt flat.  The theatrics returned for Hallowed.  Bruce sings the beginning from a jail that appears on the stage and as he gets out of it, there's a noose hanging next to him that he swings and sings next to.  Just once again, amazing imagery.  It's also my favorite IM song so this one is just so awesome to be seeing again in the set, if there was ever one setlist staple for IM for me, this would be it.   :metal :metal

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67655222_10119931340595564_1784008915155943424_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQkLQABU-E6hsuBYY7S-wp1NZoye-j5uB9nVXe48YvFz-AEi3AiFreo7-H6yZnHMRIY&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=29286e15f68aa7774f0c30888c6f9d2b&oe=5DA5DF39)

And they finish it off with Run to the Hills.  Maybe the loudest the crowd got each night.  It's not my favorite IM song, but it gets the crowd going and I can dig that.  And after all the fire works, all the lgihts, the stage show, the back drops, it all comes down to Bruce hitting the button for the TNT right at the end for one last explosion  :yarr (there were tiny explosions along his way to the TNT too  :rollin )

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67363885_10119931351608494_9218166051160719360_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQmf5swiHMza7fiSDq7eJQCrSPyb-0awrjx86gtOeUSC1D2qP0qK1sKja5_s9DxE5Ys&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=04e30b8ea6d2b4834dc6d7ff179e5a26&oe=5DE980E4)

I got to say, my jaw is a bit floored still from how amazing this weekend was and how this band continues to amaze me.  I do think they are starting to show their age a bit, it seemed Nicko's timing was off quite a bit both nights and Bruce's vocals are not quite as strong live, but overall, the performance was pretty good all things considered.  I really wouldn't put too much stock into what I just said especially when it seems like they aren't using backing tracks or playing to a click.  It's raw metal music with Bruce's theater incorporated.  If you have a chance to see this, you must.

Anyway, if you want to watch all I explained, I have it all here: 

Maiden Brooklyn 2019 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WhSy52eItM)

Mixed from both nights so you get a couple different perspectives, the audio and video is pretty strong here too especially since I had such an amazing view for night 2. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 29, 2019, 01:05:34 PM
Awesome review!  :tup it was great to relive the show once again, this is possibly their best show ever in terms of theatrics and coreography. Let's all thank Bruce for that  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on July 29, 2019, 02:03:43 PM
I would do terrible things to acquire tickets for a decent Maiden seat. Holy hell that looks amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 29, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
Wow Marc! Great shots. I'll watch the vids tonight. Seeing them on Thursday. Can't wait!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 29, 2019, 03:02:47 PM
That show looks amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
Forgot to mention that Bruce did say that "at some date in the future, there might be some new maiden songs"  :metal and of course that they will return...

I would do terrible things to acquire tickets for a decent Maiden seat. Holy hell that looks amazing.

Make it out to the area next time they tour and I will get you a ticket through the fan club, I've been able to get good seats/floor no problem since using the fan club for this purpose.

Wow Marc! Great shots. I'll watch the vids tonight. Seeing them on Thursday. Can't wait!!

You are going to have an awesome time
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on July 29, 2019, 03:14:43 PM
So I'm in a tough spot...Iron Maiden or Monuments/Skyharbor.

I've seen IM about 5-6 times and saw them last time around. Haven't seen Monuments but I've seen Skyharbor once. I absolutely love Skyharbor. I did see IM last time around so there's that...Decisions decisions....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 29, 2019, 03:23:39 PM
Iron Maiden. One of the best shows ever by the best band ever. They're not getting any younger, enjoy them while it lasts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
Kind of a no brainer for me...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on July 29, 2019, 03:33:49 PM
@cram - that's an awesome offer, thank you. Unfortunately other than PP last year and a trip to Boston as a tiny hooman, I've never been east of Ohio. So I don't know if I'll ever be in the area.  :lol  :|
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 29, 2019, 03:36:04 PM
You've been to Boston? Make sure you let me know the next time you're out here.



















































So I can warn everybody! ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on July 29, 2019, 03:42:47 PM
 :lol When I was like 2. Apparently I almost walked off a pier into the ocean and unrolled all the toilet paper on the plane there.  I stirred up s&*% even as a baby. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 29, 2019, 03:43:42 PM
 :lol :facepalm:

I totally believe that! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 29, 2019, 03:44:34 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 01, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
I wonder how interesting of a read Adrian Smith's autobiography be?  I think I wouldn't mind reading some passages during the time he wasn't in Iron Maiden.  I'm sure the rest as long it's decently written will be solid.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-adrian-smith-autobiography/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 02, 2019, 07:29:35 AM
Holy shit, Cram, that's an amazing overview.   Since I'm really, REALLY jazzed for one particular part of the show, and you say that's it's actually a highlight (I want to hear Bruce sing "Sign of The Cross") I can't wait for tomorrow.  I feel like a kid again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2019, 07:36:01 AM
That's the centerpiece of the set and it's sooooo good.  It's a big reason why I am trying to get my fat ass to Connecticut tomorrow
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2019, 08:52:13 AM
What a show last night. That stage is amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2019, 09:48:02 AM
What a show last night. That stage is amazing.

No shit!

I’ll post later when I’m on my laptop but that was an amazing concert. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2019, 10:26:06 AM
Kept refreshing live nation and finally one seat ticket popped up for tomorrow's show in Hartford.  This show is just too good and I was looking for something to do tomorrow, now I'm all booked for Connecticut for round #3  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2019, 07:46:28 PM
So if anyone (looking at you Bosky) is on the fence about seeing this tour...DO IT!


This was my 15th Maiden show over 13 tours spanning 36 years. This was without a doubt the best stage production and performance I have ever seen. Honestly, I felt like I was at an Alice Cooper concert with all of the stage props and sets.
What is amazing about Iron Maiden is that there is no such thing as resting on their laurels. The continue to find ways to push the envelope and enhance the performance.

First off...the setlist. The only other setlist IMO to come close to this was the Ed Hunter tour in 1999. This was an amazing collection of songs. My only complaint was that it only included two Reunion Era songs. For The Greater Good Of God is my #1 or #2 Reunion Era track. I missed the AMOLAD tour (we were in Disney when they played in Boston), and this song literally gave me goosebumps.
And even though I'm not a fan of The Wicker Man, it went over really well live. Lots of crowd involvement.

And Sign Of The Cross has to be seen to be believed.

Bruce Dickinson is getting better. Not sure how that is possible. This was some of the best "singing" I've ever witnessed him doing. He was in constant motion, with multiple wardrobe and prop changes. The lantern during Fear Of The Dark. The jail cell and noose during Hallowed. the torch and Icarus during Flight. The drop down candled chandeliers, the light up cross. Never mind a fucking plane hanging from the ceiling! Incredible.
And the stained glass motif and backdrop is the single coolest stage I have EVER seen. EVER.

It's incredible how much Iron Maiden continue to work at their craft. Whether it be technical playing, stage performance, or visual interpretations, Iron Maiden is getting better with every tour. I mean, they had the best stage in the fucking 1980's!

I might have had the worst seats I have ever had for an Iron Maiden show. That's a story in itself.. But that didn't get in the way of my enjoyment. I have about 6 or 7 top Maiden shows, and this is definitely one of them. The whole experience was really breathtaking.

Oh, Nicko at 67 is amazing. This was a demanding setlist and he was right on point. And in defense of Jannick. He is a true showman, but his playing was also right on point. He played some great passages, and with all of the jumping around, he was in total synch with Dave and Adrian.


Anyway, I did take a million pics, even though they aren't that great.

I did manage a meetup with my good friend Kingshmegland. Always a pleasure to talk to him in person, as I know many of you already know.

(https://i.imgur.com/OgWnear.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HrGVf5s.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ayctfNM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oxp8brJ.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2019, 07:54:28 PM
Awesome Tim, I totally agree, they just keep pushing it and I don't know how they do it.  Nice to see TAC and the King  :yarr

Everything you said is why I am going to take a road trip to see them again tomorrow.  That show and experience is other worldly. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2019, 08:01:18 PM
Yeah, I envy you. Road trips like that for me don't really work at this point. :lol

I have to say, that I really like Bruce's look. Looking cool with long hair again.
I mean, he strained a couple of times reaching for some outrageous notes, but I appreciate him/them because he doesn't take the easy way out. I found his singing during the softer parts of things like FTGGOG and HBTN really impressive and moving. I honestly don't ever remember feeling that way before.

Marc, your next Maiden road trip should be to Massachusetts!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
Maybe next time! I definitely didn't expect to go to Hartford to see Maiden, funny how this just actually works out for me.  But I love going to see concerts in Boston and would hope to see one again next year.  I do agree with Bruce's softer parts, I felt like that's when he sung the best honestly.  He looks like he aged quite a bit since last time, not that he looks bad at all, but it's noticeable and might be because of the long hair.  He pulls it off though, somehow, this band just keeps impressing. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2019, 08:15:26 PM
I have two Hartford road trips under my belt. Both in 1989 (Holy shit 30 years ago!  :facepalm:)

Saw Metallica (Queensryche opened) at the Hartford Civic Center and Paul Stanley's solo tour (Warrant opened) at the West Hartford Ballroom.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2019, 08:27:52 PM
Tim, Marc, I'd love a meetup.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2019, 08:28:45 PM
That's awesome, the openers and headliners for those.  I have one Hartford trip under my belt, a few years ago for Nightwish, Sonata Arctica, and Delain at Webster Theater.  Such an amazing show, even got a selfie with Charlotte from Delain after  :metal  Someone commented on my video of Ghost Love Score (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAc4nQ3-9Sk) about being engaged during that song  :lol  although the best part is at 8:55 when shit goes for the high note and clearly struggles but physically kind of shakes it off and pulls it off #floorgasm  :metal

Tim, Marc, I'd love a meetup.

It will happen, we just got to dig Tim out of the shopping carts
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2019, 08:42:41 PM
No we wouldn't.  He doesn't know what a corral is.

He'd be next to his car  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on August 02, 2019, 09:04:49 PM
Damn I am skipping them this tour, other shows this year getting my time and dollars, but this is making me rethink that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2019, 09:05:48 PM
Chris, it was that good.  If you have a chance, see this show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on August 02, 2019, 09:11:54 PM
Damn it is the second day of school - my wife is a teacher, and her first couple weeks are murder. This is going to be a tough sell.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2019, 09:22:41 PM
This is going to be a tough sell.

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 03, 2019, 06:55:27 AM
I'll be singing the single version of The Wicker Man.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2019, 06:56:11 AM
Damn I am skipping them this tour, other shows this year getting my time and dollars, but this is making me rethink that.

There should be no other show getting your time and dollars.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on August 03, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
Damn I am skipping them this tour, other shows this year getting my time and dollars, but this is making me rethink that.
Are you going to Queensryche at Clearwater?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on August 03, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
No I am not a big enough QR fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on August 03, 2019, 01:19:25 PM
No I am not a big enough QR fan.
I really like QR's new album.  I will probably go since it's a easy trip for me.  Iron Maiden is just two days before, which I very much want to attend!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 03, 2019, 02:16:58 PM
Made it to Hartford, lady checking me in at the hotel (2 miles from venue) "are you here for Iron maiden?" YUP "so is everyone else"  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: greyghost on August 04, 2019, 02:41:46 PM
Hartford last night!  Holy Shit! That was the best show I've ever seen by ANYONE! Any of you who are on the fence about this tour, just do it! As an earlier poster said, the best show ever by the greatest live act ever!
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Post by: MinistroRaven on August 04, 2019, 03:03:50 PM
Capital Chaos TV has uploaded a four-camera video edit of the mighty
@IronMaiden
 performing the song "Aces High" on July 26 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York. Watch it below!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE9SqDX3ZOg&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Stadler on August 04, 2019, 03:38:23 PM
That was the real f*****g deal, last night.  Holy crap.  Great set, great setlist, great performance, great stage...  not much more to say than that (though the version of "The Number Of The Beast" may be the greatest Iron Maiden "moment" I've ever experienced.  The energy was just immeasurable.

Everything TAC said was spot on (except maybe the Jannick thing; I was on Dave's side, and it looked to me like Dave took about 60% of the solos, with the rest split between the other two; I looked over to the other side three times and saw Jannick literally not playing a note but swinging his guitar cable like he was fly fishing).  But holy cow, Bruce Dickinson is, if it's at all possible, BETTER now than he was 10 years ago.   That guy is incredible. 
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 04, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
Cool hearing so much love for this tour, unfortunately for me I missed the european leg last year.  :-\
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Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2019, 04:06:51 PM
Capital Chaos TV has uploaded a four-camera video edit of the mighty
@IronMaiden
 performing the song "Aces High" on July 26 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York. Watch it below!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE9SqDX3ZOg&feature=youtu.be

Nice, I was up front but this video's cuts are way too quick like Steve Harris and I'm not even sure if the video syncs up right.

Hartford last night!  Holy Shit! That was the best show I've ever seen by ANYONE! Any of you who are on the fence about this tour, just do it! As an earlier poster said, the best show ever by the greatest live act ever!

that was the real f*****g deal, last night.  Holy crap.  Great set, great setlist, great performance, great stage...  not much more to say than that (though the version of "The Number Of The Beast" may be the greatest Iron Maiden "moment" I've ever experienced.  The energy was just immeasurable.

Holy shit Hartford was awesome!  It was awesome to chill with you Stadler for a bit before Maiden came on. 

Here's Sign of the Cross Live Hartford (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5XtbfF7IwY)
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Post by: Stadler on August 04, 2019, 04:19:33 PM
Same here; it's always a blast to see you.   On your way to Boston, pick me up, I'll have the beers cold.
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Post by: El Barto on August 04, 2019, 04:24:28 PM
Christ, this is a long tour. I've still got nearly 2 months.
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Post by: TAC on August 04, 2019, 04:55:27 PM
That was the real f*****g deal, last night.  Holy crap.  Great set, great setlist, great performance, great stage...  not much more to say than that (though the version of "The Number Of The Beast" may be the greatest Iron Maiden "moment" I've ever experienced.  The energy was just immeasurable.

Everything TAC said was spot on (except maybe the Jannick thing; I was on Dave's side, and it looked to me like Dave took about 60% of the solos, with the rest split between the other two; I looked over to the other side three times and saw Jannick literally not playing a note but swinging his guitar cable like he was fly fishing).  But holy cow, Bruce Dickinson is, if it's at all possible, BETTER now than he was 10 years ago.   That guy is incredible.

 :metal :metal

Jannick was awesome!  ;D



Another cool vid, Cram!


Christ, this is a long tour. I've still got nearly 2 months.

Worth the wait, Brother!
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Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2019, 05:01:05 PM
Christ, this is a long tour. I've still got nearly 2 months.

Mexico is going to go nuts for this, it will be worth the wait
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 04, 2019, 05:05:37 PM
Bart, you going to Mexico?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 04, 2019, 08:27:44 PM
That was the real f*****g deal, last night.  Holy crap.  Great set, great setlist, great performance, great stage...  not much more to say than that (though the version of "The Number Of The Beast" may be the greatest Iron Maiden "moment" I've ever experienced.  The energy was just immeasurable.

Everything TAC said was spot on (except maybe the Jannick thing; I was on Dave's side, and it looked to me like Dave took about 60% of the solos, with the rest split between the other two; I looked over to the other side three times and saw Jannick literally not playing a note but swinging his guitar cable like he was fly fishing).  But holy cow, Bruce Dickinson is, if it's at all possible, BETTER now than he was 10 years ago.   That guy is incredible.

 :metal :metal

Jannick was awesome!  ;D



Another cool vid, Cram!

I will say this; I think it was during Greater Glory, but he did take one solo standing on the wedges at the center front of the stage, and it kicked ass.  Wasn't the best of the night (that was Dave in Where Eagles Dare) but it was pretty gosh darn good.  Very Blackmore-esque, which certainly works for me.

Seriously, any knock I might have against Jannick is just searching for stuff wrong, because that was damn near the perfect rock show.   Everything about it just hit the right spot. 


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 05, 2019, 06:36:43 AM
That was the real f*****g deal, last night.  Holy crap.  Great set, great setlist, great performance, great stage...  not much more to say than that (though the version of "The Number Of The Beast" may be the greatest Iron Maiden "moment" I've ever experienced.  The energy was just immeasurable.

Everything TAC said was spot on (except maybe the Jannick thing; I was on Dave's side, and it looked to me like Dave took about 60% of the solos, with the rest split between the other two; I looked over to the other side three times and saw Jannick literally not playing a note but swinging his guitar cable like he was fly fishing).  But holy cow, Bruce Dickinson is, if it's at all possible, BETTER now than he was 10 years ago.   That guy is incredible.

 :metal :metal

Jannick was awesome!  ;D



Another cool vid, Cram!

I will say this; I think it was during Greater Glory, but he did take one solo standing on the wedges at the center front of the stage, and it kicked ass.  Wasn't the best of the night (that was Dave in Where Eagles Dare) but it was pretty gosh darn good.  Very Blackmore-esque, which certainly works for me.

Seriously, any knock I might have against Jannick is just searching for stuff wrong, because that was damn near the perfect rock show.   Everything about it just hit the right spot.

I think his only good solo is on Greater Glory. No wonder this song doesn't even exist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 05, 2019, 06:53:51 AM
"Greater Glory" = "For The Greater Good Of God" 

I can name you, from memory, each song from each album, in order, through Powerslave. If I thought hard enough, I could probably name you each of the singles and the b-sides.    I'm lucky if I can name three songs from A Matter Of Life And Death.  It's not a bad album, by any stretch, but it just hasn't stuck in the consciousness like some of the others. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 05, 2019, 06:56:58 AM
I can name you, from memory, each song from each album, in order, through Powerslave.

I should really try, but I'm confident I can do it through The Book of Souls.

 ;D
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Post by: Architeuthis on August 05, 2019, 07:33:51 AM
Dang it!  I really need to find a way to get to this show. Hopefully it doesn't sell out before I can get a ticket, but right now the legend of the rent is way hardcore..  Priorities can really suck sometimes!  :sad:
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Post by: cramx3 on August 05, 2019, 08:08:37 AM
Being that it was the 3rd time seeing the show, it was also the one I went into with a goal (I really wanted to record Sign of the Cross) but kind of went into the show wanting to have a good time more so than capture the awesome moments (I already did that in Brooklyn) so my video from the concert is not that great and features a lot of me being stupid. 

Iron Maiden LIVE in Hartford (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v5WOsG7YHY)

I should say, I think I liked Xfinity Theatre more than PNC Bank Arts Center.  Very very similar venues.  Xfinity has a smaller seated area but a bigger lawn, but I think the lawn was great at Xfinity where it sucks at PNC.  For one, it was on a heavy incline which meant you can actually see the stage from almost all of the lawn.  Two, at the bottom of the lawn it actually dips to form a walk way which was really cool to have that walk way right there plus the dip makes it so it's not worth hanging out there as you can't actually see anything. 

When I was in my seat (pretty good view) I could really tell I was annoying the people around me.  I think I was the only one really into it, the guy next to me kept asking me to move away from him (like there was any room for me to move away) so halfway through the set I left and went to the lawn for a bit (where I filmed Sign of the Cross) but when I went back, I ended up just chilling in the aisle near a group of people who were having a good time so they accepted me into their pow wow and the last 5 songs we just rocked out together.  SO MUCH FUN.  The attendant working was cool with us rocking out in the aisle as long as we moved as necessary.  The guy even was taking pictures for the group I ended up with which was really nice of him.  He kept dancing too, it was really funny. 

If there's one thing that comes off from my video, I think it's clear I had a great fucking time.  Also, Trooper beer in Hartford was $13 while in Brooklyn it was $18.  I drank quite a few Troopers which I think is pretty noticeable in the video as well  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 05, 2019, 08:40:59 AM
^^^ That venue is my "home" venue.  I live about 15 minutes from there, maybe 20.  I avoid it like the plague, and haven't had a lawn seat for probably 20 years (no lie).   That's the venue where the cops unleashed tear gas on the crowd during a Pearl Jam concert (in their "Live On Two Legs" CD, there's a note: "And a P.S. to the Raleigh, NC and Hartford, CT police departments.  Get a life. Leave those kids alone.")  Having said that, I walked through there with Cram before the show and it was WAYYYYYYYYYYY better than I remember.  My friend and I (he's also anti-lawn) both said that we ought to rethink our position on that.

It was a metal show, but I don't think I saw even ONE incident in that crowd.  It was really unified group (much like I experienced in Brooklyn last year).  My experience (I was lucky enough to have an aisle seat) was like Cram's; people were in the aisle, but very cool, and didn't give the security folks (doing their jobs) any guff.       
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Post by: cramx3 on August 05, 2019, 08:56:59 AM
Yea, the lawn at my home venue SUCKS, no view, the sound is shit, and it often gets very crowded.  This lawn had a great angle to view, plus screens so you can see the close ups from far away.  Actually kind of wish I saved myself $100 and just got a lawn ticket but I didn't expect the lawn to be any better than my home venue.  Now I know, at least if I ever return for a band that I don't want to be up close too.  Also, love how there is a pit up front, having seats up front at my home venue kills the vibe for a lot of bands.
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Post by: El Barto on August 05, 2019, 09:11:15 AM
That venue looks like a carbon-copy of Starplex here in Dallas (Cram saw a show there), only the lawn is a bit deeper. Don't much care for the place but it seems to be Maiden's venue of choice in the Summer. Occasionally bad craziness on the lawn, but never had any trouble with cops and security there. During the Clash of the Titans tour a friend started the biggest fire I've seen a concert, which burned for most of the night. Security made a few attempts to put it out but were beaten back (figuratively) by the crowd every time. Eventually they just gave up. A few hundred people playing tug-o-war with a firehose is good times.

Bart, you going to Mexico?
:metal
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Post by: cramx3 on August 05, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
This lawn was better than Starplex too, I didn't have a seat for that Starplex show so I couldn't give a better comparison.  I think PNC had the worst lawn of the three amphitheaters Ive seen, but PNC might be the nicest overall venue of them.  I made a comment in my video about the shitty staircase at Xfinity  :lol the place looks very old and I know PNC is an old venue too, it looks a bit fresher though.  Has a much nicer roof if that means anything to anyone, I thought both Starplex and Xfinity looked kind of odd.
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Post by: Stadler on August 05, 2019, 09:19:14 AM
Yea, the lawn at my home venue SUCKS, no view, the sound is shit, and it often gets very crowded.  This lawn had a great angle to view, plus screens so you can see the close ups from far away.  Actually kind of wish I saved myself $100 and just got a lawn ticket but I didn't expect the lawn to be any better than my home venue.  Now I know, at least if I ever return for a band that I don't want to be up close too.  Also, love how there is a pit up front, having seats up front at my home venue kills the vibe for a lot of bands.

FYI, the pit is not a given.  Kiss did not have a pit.   Jane's Addiction/Alice In Chains did, as did Keith Urban.  Those are the last three shows I've seen there.   Don't quote me on this, but I can't remember a pit for any show before that (though again, I don't see shows there that often).   I'm guessing that is an artist thing, not a venue thing. 

EDIT:  To Cram's point on the staircase; the staircase at xFinity looks like an old roller coaster.  It's all wood, built up the side of a hill, and it seems like it's 100 years old (the venue itself was built in the early 90's; I saw the first show there, Hootie and the Blowfish). 
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Post by: cramx3 on August 05, 2019, 09:23:44 AM
Oh it's only from the 90s???? I would have guessed the 70s  :rollin  place looked pretty old.  And that staircase just really caught my eye.

Actually just looked it up, built in 86, PNC was built in 68, Starplex in 88.  PNC looks the newest to my eyes  :lol 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on August 05, 2019, 09:34:01 AM
For some reason sheds became all the rage in the 80's. I'm not sure who actually likes those things. It's kind of the worst of both worlds. It gets stifling under the shed and the sound sucks outside of it. Starplex has about 6 rows of seats that extend beyond the roof that give you better sound but also allow you to catch a breeze (if there is one). My guess is that it's all about dollars to seats. Even small ones have the capacity of a good sized arena and probably cost a fraction of the price to build.

And of course in Dallas, where we find a creative way to fuck up everything we do, the stage faces due West so the sun blinds the performers from 7-9.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 05, 2019, 09:49:04 AM
I actually love my local shed, I think it's a great place to see a show... if you know where to sit.  I've already stated how the lawn sucks, but the left and right sides suck too, also the back 400 section sucks.  There's prime location in the middle where ticket prices are fairly good, you are center with a great view, and the sound is really good (well as good as the band will sound at least, 311 sounded like shit a couple weeks ago but the opener Dirty Heads sounded great so I blame 311 not the venue).  But for the most part, people go to that venue, sit in the lawn, and complain that the venue has terrible sound... well you bought the worst ticket possible.

It also has the sun issue, the performer going on at 7pm will get the sun in their eyes.  I kind of like it though, makes for uniqueness and I love being outside for a concert, but there's a few times that sun belted me good enough to wish that wasn't a thing.  It's funny hearing an artist comment about the sun in their eyes (this summer alone, The Interrupters, Three Days Grace, Our Lady Peace, The Story so Far all got the sun badly in their eyes and had something to say about it :lol)  I also don't live in Texas so the heat is a bit different here, the humidity can be pretty bad but I only went to one concert that was during the afternoon there that really gave me some issues with the sun.

I think also what I like so much about these venues is that they are so big that security is loose.  You can just enjoy yourself.  Some of the other local venues have security in the crowds or above looking down at you.  Outside is different and just feels so open.  You can watch any video I post from my local shed and you'll see how much I move around, I change seats, I walk the lawn, it's just a fun environment that you can't get at a club.  Or like in Hartford, just rock out in the aisle (https://youtu.be/7v5WOsG7YHY?t=1268)  :metal

Having said all of that, I am extremely biased towards PNC, not just because its in my backyard and I have soo many amazing concert experiences from that venue, but being local, I also graduated high school on that stage.  It feels very personal to me unlike any other concert venue.  I love thinking about how I was on the same stage as all my favorite bands.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 07, 2019, 01:53:25 AM
And today we celebrate the man, the legend, the singer, the pilot, the writer, the fencer, the businessman, the heavy metal Leonardo, the air raid siren, the best metal singer in the world (but don't call him like that, he will disagree) : Happy 61th birthday to his Maidenish majesty BRUCE DICKINSON!!!!!!   :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2019, 03:42:16 AM
Happy Birthday God!  :hefdaddy :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2019, 06:21:06 AM
Happy Birthday Bruce!  :metal :metal
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Post by: The Walrus on August 07, 2019, 06:29:51 AM
Happy birthday to an ass-kicking, cancer-defeating, living legend :2metal:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 07, 2019, 06:40:32 AM
Happy birthday Bruce! :birch:

I'm listening to The Talisman now. "Westward the tiiiiiide!".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on August 15, 2019, 03:32:49 PM
To anyone who's seen this tour,  I've read great reviews but have a question.  Was there any obnoxiously loud explosions at this show?
 I'm going to see them and wonder if I need earplugs for that reason.  Rush was guilty of this on the Clockwork Angels tour and the R40 tour both. I mean, the explosions were ridiculous loud and took away from the music..  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on August 15, 2019, 03:49:17 PM
To anyone who's seen this tour,  I've read great reviews but have a question.  Was there any obnoxiously loud explosions at this show?
 I'm going to see them and wonder if I need earplugs for that reason.  Rush was guilty of this on the Clockwork Angels tour and the R40 tour both. I mean, the explosions were ridiculous loud and took away from the music..  :facepalm:

I've worn earplugs at every concert since I saw Judas Priest/Testament in the second row without wearing any.  It actually was quite painful for that show and I've since enjoyed each concert more since that time wearing them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2019, 04:58:37 PM
To anyone who's seen this tour,  I've read great reviews but have a question.  Was there any obnoxiously loud explosions at this show?
 I'm going to see them and wonder if I need earplugs for that reason.  Rush was guilty of this on the Clockwork Angels tour and the R40 tour both. I mean, the explosions were ridiculous loud and took away from the music..  :facepalm:

There's a lot of pyro and explosions at this show.  Were they overly loud?  Not really, but they are explosions so it's noticeable. 

Here's an example from Sign of the Cross https://youtu.be/2WhSy52eItM?t=1768 (https://youtu.be/2WhSy52eItM?t=1768) the small explosions you can hear, not overly loud at all, but the big final explosion is loud.  I also saw Kiss last night who use lots of pyro and their usage was louder, but like I said, if there's explosions, you will hear it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 15, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
I'm fifty-fifty with ear plugs at shows, the guy I was with is like 90-10 with (he had a set made for his ears).  Neither of us wore them for the show, though he put his in about half-way through.   

Not the loudest show I've ever heard, even with the explosions.  It was more fire and sparks than "bombs" (though there were a couple).   I also saw them in an outdoor shed, so that might make a difference (you don't have that cavernous sound from an arena). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on August 15, 2019, 06:02:58 PM
Thanks for the link cramx3, and for the info Stadler!  It's good to know what to expect. I don't like earplugs as they muffle the sound too much, but it's good to know when to plug your ears if there is a deafening explosion about to happen.   
 I still can't believe Rush did that on their last two tours with the over the top loud bangs..
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 21, 2019, 09:55:09 AM
Always cool hearing non-metal musicians enjoying Maiden!  :)


(http://assets.blabbermouth.net/media/ironmaidenkeithurbannicolekidman_638.jpg)
Keith Urban: "To the entire @ironmaiden team- where do i begin?....... You were ALL beyond hospitable- and quite honestly it was a surreal dream come true for me (us) to meet you guys- AND then when u hit the stage....???- HOLY SHIT...... I told Nic “you wanna see THE MASTERS?- here they are”... and you delivered a fucking ATOMIC EXPLOSION of EVERYTHING that makes you THE GREATEST. The playing- the arrangements- the set list- the sound, the lighting- EDDY!!!!- and BRUUUUUUUUCE- good God man- you’re super human. ALL HAIL THE MATCHLESS, THE PEERLESS IRON MAIDEN. – KU"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 21, 2019, 09:56:48 AM
That is awesome. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 21, 2019, 09:58:45 AM
Bruce is majestically awesome on stage, but damn if he looks old and frail on that pic!

Anyway, Keith urban speaketh the truth  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
I was legit startled when I saw Bruce in that photo
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Post by: emtee on August 21, 2019, 10:25:45 AM
Very Cool!

And yeah, Bruce looks dangerously thin.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 21, 2019, 10:27:18 AM
I remember thinking he looked really old when I saw them up close last month.  He looks fragile too in that pic.  However, watching how he moves on stage, it's hard for me to think he isn't fairly healthy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 21, 2019, 11:30:06 AM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 21, 2019, 11:31:48 AM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?

Confirmed.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-keith-urban-nicole-kidman/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 21, 2019, 11:43:04 AM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?

Confirmed.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-keith-urban-nicole-kidman/

Hmm...that's pretty coincidental.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 21, 2019, 12:50:29 PM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?

Confirmed.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-keith-urban-nicole-kidman/
Hmm...that's pretty coincidental.
Considering that she's married to Keith Urban, how is it coincidental?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 12:55:10 PM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?

Confirmed.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-keith-urban-nicole-kidman/
Hmm...that's pretty coincidental.
Considering that she's married to Keith Urban, how is it coincidental?

You might be the only person on the forum with that knowledge.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 21, 2019, 01:26:02 PM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?

Confirmed.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-keith-urban-nicole-kidman/
Hmm...that's pretty coincidental.
Considering that she's married to Keith Urban, how is it coincidental?

Well...seeing as how I had no clue that they're married.....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 21, 2019, 01:54:01 PM
Heck even I knew that! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 01:56:30 PM
Heck even I knew that! :lol

THAT is what you're proud to admit knowing?!  :facepalm:  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 21, 2019, 02:01:43 PM
I thought that was common knowledge about Keith and Nicole but I guess not.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 21, 2019, 03:08:24 PM
I knew it  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 21, 2019, 03:58:23 PM
I was legit startled when I saw Bruce in that photo


Yeah, me too.  He didn't show that on stage, though.

I've seen Keith four (?) times now (he is to my wife, as Margot Robbie is to me) and he's really a good performer in his own right. It's nice to see some love for a very very different genre.

EDIT:  And yes, I knew about Nicole too; she get's swore at a lot in my house (see previous paragraph).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 21, 2019, 04:03:07 PM
I thought that was common knowledge about Keith and Nicole but I guess not.


Gee, I just figured it was...….











...wait for it...…











Urban legend! :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 21, 2019, 04:06:01 PM
Oh my. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 21, 2019, 04:08:42 PM
Oh my.


Bosk humor.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 21, 2019, 04:21:37 PM
Heck even I knew that! :lol

I barely know who Keith Urban is, and my knowledge of celebrity marriages is roughly on par with my knowledge of European symphonic power metal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 21, 2019, 04:32:32 PM
I thought that was common knowledge about Keith and Nicole but I guess not.

It is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 21, 2019, 05:03:09 PM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?

Nah, that's Dave Murray.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on August 22, 2019, 02:47:53 AM
TAC, you're on fire today.  :tup  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 22, 2019, 05:12:35 AM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?

Nah, that's Dave Murray.

:lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 22, 2019, 06:22:36 AM
I was legit startled when I saw Bruce in that photo

Funny, people jumped down my throat a few weeks ago when I said how sad it was that Bruce was looking so old.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 22, 2019, 11:03:21 AM
Is it just me or does the woman 4th from the right look a lot like Nicole Kidman?

Nah, that's Dave Murray.


 :lol :lol :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on August 24, 2019, 05:53:02 PM
Just got my 1 ticket for Thursday Sep 5th at the Tacoma Dome.

Ticketbastard wanted $150 (after service charges) to sit at the very top of one of the closest side sections.   But Stub Hub had a 3rd row ticket in the same section for just $50 more.    Ya, it's a lot, but it's my first time seeing Maiden, it sounds like a great tour with a great setlist, and at a time when I can just barely squeeze it into the budget.    I just hate the modern day ticketing system.   I won't even get a physical ticket stub as a souvenir.   

Anyone else going to be at that show?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2019, 05:54:47 PM
it's my first time seeing Maiden,


How old are you?? ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on August 24, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
it's my first time seeing Maiden,


How old are you?? ;D

IKR?   I honestly don't know how I've managed to miss them all these years. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2019, 06:36:57 PM
it's my first time seeing Maiden,


How old are you?? ;D

IKR?   I honestly don't know how I've managed to miss them all these years.


(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMDUzZDczODItMWFmNS00Y2E3LThmNWMtZjZlZjliM2I4MjIxXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjAwODA4Mw@@._V1_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on August 24, 2019, 06:54:10 PM
Just got my 1 ticket for Thursday Sep 5th at the Tacoma Dome.

Anyone else going to be at that show?

Thought long and hard about this one but after seeing them on the last few stops here decided to sit this one out. A couple other personal reasons came into play too. But based on what I've seen so far it looks like a hell of a show so I know you'll enjoy it.

Can't recall where you live but if it is anywhere in King County I assume you'll head to the Dome sometime around 3am that morning?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 24, 2019, 06:57:01 PM
Yeesh.  A lot of money to spend on a ticket.  My ticket is like $70.00 and this is where I am.  I wouldn't pay this much for a ticket, but it's Iron Maiden and I have no clue when they are going to come back to LA in any capacity.  Stubhub has cheapest tickets go for like $200 fees including for sections closest to the stage. I wonder if it is slightly cheaper seeing them on a new album tour.

(https://i.imgur.com/ipE2fiJ.png)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2019, 07:00:36 PM
It'll be worth it, Ang. My ticket was more $$ (long story) and my seat was basically the same.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 24, 2019, 07:04:41 PM
Oh yeah, absolutely.  I count my blessings that I got them on the first day of sale rather than wait it out otherwise prices for that seat would probably be triple what I paid on the secondary markets.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2019, 09:58:39 PM
Worth it  :yarr
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2019, 04:30:48 AM
Yeah, the seating and price don't seem to match mate, but I concur with the others, worth every cent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on August 25, 2019, 09:46:11 AM
Just got my 1 ticket for Thursday Sep 5th at the Tacoma Dome.

Anyone else going to be at that show?

Thought long and hard about this one but after seeing them on the last few stops here decided to sit this one out. A couple other personal reasons came into play too. But based on what I've seen so far it looks like a hell of a show so I know you'll enjoy it.

Can't recall where you live but if it is anywhere in King County I assume you'll head to the Dome sometime around 3am that morning?
I got tickets for that show about 2/3 of the way back up on the right side of the dome.  I don't know if I'm gonna make it or not. My eight year old dog (ultimate best friend) got really sick and is trying to recover but it hasn't been a smooth ride. Over 3,000 in vet bills so far. Her condition is improving but it could go either way.. Music isn't even important to me at this time..  :(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
Look, I get real life, I do (and Arch, my thoughts go out to you, seriously), but if you're going to spend on ANY show, this is the one to do it.  I put in $150, through Stubhub about an hour and a half before show time, and in hindsight, I'd've paid more knowing what I know now.

I know, it's all taste and what not, and I totally agree.  But I'm not talking to those that aren't Maiden fans to begin with.  ESPECIALLY if you're a fan and haven't been able to see them before, this is, in my opinion , not "just another show"; this is the kind of show that the others are sort of judged against. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2019, 04:16:11 PM
I saw the show back to back nights in Brooklyn and said to myself "I need to see it again" and drove to hartford the next weekend.  It's worth it.  Sorry Arch for the stuff with your dog though, that's rough
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on August 25, 2019, 05:08:44 PM
Just got my 1 ticket for Thursday Sep 5th at the Tacoma Dome.

Anyone else going to be at that show?

Thought long and hard about this one but after seeing them on the last few stops here decided to sit this one out. A couple other personal reasons came into play too. But based on what I've seen so far it looks like a hell of a show so I know you'll enjoy it.

Can't recall where you live but if it is anywhere in King County I assume you'll head to the Dome sometime around 3am that morning?
I got tickets for that show about 2/3 of the way back up on the right side of the dome.  I don't know if I'm gonna make it or not. My eight year old dog (ultimate best friend) got really sick and is trying to recover but it hasn't been a smooth ride. Over 3,000 in vet bills so far. Her condition is improving but it could go either way.. Music isn't even important to me at this time..  :(

That stinks, Arch.   I'm sorry to hear that.  Let me know if you're going.   I'm in 119 Row C.   Right side, near the stage, 3 rows back.  Seriously should be just about the perfect seat.  From the sound of it, 200 bones might be a steal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on August 29, 2019, 12:49:15 AM
Just saw Iron Maiden and they put on a fantastic show!  :metal :metal :metal :metal

Its amazing how good Bruce is sounding and I really liked the setlist.  Pretty cool to include the two Blaze songs which sounded really good.  The stage show was excellent too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 29, 2019, 06:02:16 AM
Awesome Jay!

That show could've gone on for 4 more hours. I didn't want it to end. Such an epic presentation.

Amazed at the stamina of the band through these songs. I know the show isn't quite 2 hours, but that is an intense setlist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 29, 2019, 07:33:03 AM
Still can't say enough about that show.    Bruce was really, really good, but Nico and Dave both put on quite the show (I can't believe Nico drums that whole set like he did; no shortcuts, no corners cut.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 29, 2019, 07:37:08 AM
Nicko was amazing. I don't know how he does it, honestly. But Jannick is amazing too. He never stops, and I found his playing on this tour particularly on point. But what amazes me is when he throws his left leg up on the riser. My hip hurts just looking at it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 29, 2019, 08:04:54 AM
 :lol yup, can't say enough good things about this tour
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2019, 02:21:38 PM
Just saw Iron Maiden and they put on a fantastic show!  :metal :metal :metal :metal

Its amazing how good Bruce is sounding and I really liked the setlist.  Pretty cool to include the two Blaze songs which sounded really good.  The stage show was excellent too.

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 06, 2019, 07:07:02 PM
So, I think we got a few people here that was at the show in Tacoma, Washington.  Can anyone vouch for what happened here?  Apparently, 10 security guards was punching a fan?  That's not cool and Bruce called them out on it before going into The Evil That Men Do.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-bruce-dickinson-blasts-security-punch-fan-head/

On a lighter note, one more week from Saturday before the show in LA.  I can't wait.  I've been listening to their entire discography (as I do for all bands before seeing their show).  I'm going to listen to Live After Death and I hope it's as great as people make it.

The LA show in the Banc of California Stadium is the largest venue that I have been to for a concert all year and I hope that despite the large area, this venue can be just as good as smaller rooms like the Anaheim House of Blues or the Wiltern Theater that has hosted my favorite concerts of all time.  I wonder how The Raven Age are doing as openers?  A plus to the LA show that we get Fozzy as an additional opener and I hope that their mentality that they will play like they are "Queen at Live Aid" mentality will hold true where they will play in a crowd that no one is there for them and have limited amount of set time, but they will leave a good impression in the end.  Of course, Iron Maiden will be Iron Maiden which will be no less than f'en awesome and people have been loving this tour a lot more than previous tours (which were already good) which is a great sign.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 06, 2019, 07:36:29 PM
Dang, I saw that story but didn't realize it was the WA show - the one I was considering attending.

Jammindude went, and I wanted to hear his thoughts on the show anyway. JD WHERE ARE YOU?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2019, 07:41:21 PM
He's in the hospital recovering from his beating by security. He probably should've left his frilly sweater at home.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 06, 2019, 08:11:42 PM
Dang, I saw that story but didn't realize it was the WA show - the one I was considering attending.

Jammindude went, and I wanted to hear his thoughts on the show anyway. JD WHERE ARE YOU?
I was at this show last night, and it is true. Bruce Dickinson stopped the show before they performed the encores calling out the security guards. He said this is the first time they had seen this happen on this whole tour and he hopes the kid that got beat up takes this f-n building to the cleaners! It has made headline news.   
Besides that, it was one FANTASTIC show!  I've seen Maiden three times and this was by far the best they've ever sounded and performed. I highly recommend seeing them on this tour, the sound was very clear and pleasant to the ears.  The stage and lighting were awesome, the backdrops and vivid colors of lighting added to the experience. 
 The only bummer thing is that I couldn't enjoy the show like I normally could because my dog died an untimely death on Monday. She was my ultimate best friend and I've been really torn up since. I thought the concert would be a good distraction but she kept pulling on my heart strings the whole time during the show, as I was trying to supress the tears.  :( :(
 I could tell it was a incredible show even though I was disconnected..

Edit.  Whoops,  I meant to reply to Anguyen92's first part of his post.  I didn't mean to steal jammindudes future reply to Cool Chris.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 06, 2019, 08:56:48 PM
I am sorry to hear about your dog. My cat died earlier this year, she had been with my since 2005, longer than I've been with my wife, and is was a very hard week. It happened on a Thursday and fortunately I was able to take off work Friday and kinda shut down and reboot over the weekend.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 06, 2019, 09:54:00 PM
I am sorry to hear about your dog. My cat died earlier this year, she had been with my since 2005, longer than I've been with my wife, and is was a very hard week. It happened on a Thursday and fortunately I was able to take off work Friday and kinda shut down and reboot over the weekend.
Oh man, so sorry about your cat too. That's a long time to have your best friend with you. Sadly, my dog was only eight years old  (Redbone Coon Hound).   Such a sweet awesome dog,  achh!!!
It's so hard to listen to music during a time like this. That's why I couldn't focus on the Maiden show very well last night.  My whole perspective is changed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 07, 2019, 07:53:12 AM
Sorry for your loss. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 07, 2019, 02:08:21 PM
Sorry Arch

Regarding that beating, from what I read, it sounds like it was deserved.  Now maybe it was excessive, but I read that guy was being physically abusive to a lot of people in the crowd and then when security tried to stop he then beat up the security guard and hence got his own ass handed to him.  Maybe that's not true, but I think I'm actually not on Bruce's side here, but also from his perspective, he probably didn't know this guy needed to be beaten down to stop his own beating on others.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2019, 04:09:46 AM
Sorry for your loss.

Indeed.

Sorry Arch

Regarding that beating, from what I read, it sounds like it was deserved.  Now maybe it was excessive, but I read that guy was being physically abusive to a lot of people in the crowd and then when security tried to stop he then beat up the security guard and hence got his own ass handed to him.  Maybe that's not true, but I think I'm actually not on Bruce's side here, but also from his perspective, he probably didn't know this guy needed to be beaten down to stop his own beating on others.

Yeah, one would think there would have had to have been some reason behind it.  Beating him senseless though is not really necessary when it's 10 on 1.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 08, 2019, 11:53:39 PM
Dang, I saw that story but didn't realize it was the WA show - the one I was considering attending.

Jammindude went, and I wanted to hear his thoughts on the show anyway. JD WHERE ARE YOU?

LISTENING TO THE NEW ODD LOGIC ALBUM!!

 But seriously, I’ve mostly heard the same as most of you have. I was there and I saw Bruce call out security in between songs during the encore. (He didn’t “stop the show”...he addressed the issue between songs)

 But from most eyewitness accounts, it appears that Bruce only saw the last part of the story. Most people are saying that the guy was drunk and  being extremely obnoxious  and then he himself assaulted security when they tried to remove him. I don’t fault Bruce. He absolutely did the right thing based on what he saw. He just didn’t see what happened before what he saw. If that makes any sense.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 08, 2019, 11:59:00 PM
 BTW, the show was absolutely fantastic. I had an absolute blast and set list was completely off the chart. But the crowd was not without its drunken obnoxious stupidity.  There was a guy behind me that absolutely would not shut up the entire show. He had no clue what half the songs were, but kept screaming “YEAH MAN IRON F****IN MAIDEN OMG THIS IS F***IN AMAZING YA BABY !!!”

 When I turned to him and told him that I’ve been waiting all night for this one song (Sign of the Cross)  he just wondered if it was Powerslave. When I told him it wasn’t, he listened for a bit and when he had no idea what the song was he just sat down in his chair and smoked a joint.   At least it got him to shut up for one song. LOL
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on September 09, 2019, 07:49:43 AM
There was a totally drunk dude in front of me as well. Luckily he didn't really bug me but was annoying the hell out of those next to him. I wish security could kick those people out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 09, 2019, 07:53:55 AM
There was very little of that kind of nonsense at my show.  I mean, it was a metal show, to be sure, and it was an energetic crowd, shall we say, but not that kind of dickishness.

I'm a Bruce fanboy and apologist, but I have to say... if it WASN'T that egregious, he's basically the PhD of metal, and so is smart enough and cogent enough to make that clear in his speech.   "Hey, you fuckers; I don't know what happened down here, but there's no call for beating up punters, and there's no call for punters to be assholes. We're here to have fun, and we're here leave the outside outside for a couple hours!"  Or something like that (I'm thinking of something like his speech before "Blood Brothers" on the last tour).   The only thing I can say is if the kid was backstage, maybe Bruce saw his wounds and was moved by that. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 09, 2019, 10:37:50 AM
There was a totally drunk dude in front of me as well. Luckily he didn't really bug me but was annoying the hell out of those next to him. I wish security could kick those people out.
We were up in the stands at the Tacoma Dome show. We thought we were gonna have a great view until some late comers arrived after the opening band. This tall guy with a really big fat head and his tall skinny lanky son ended up right in front of us blocking our view. They were both about 6'3 and couldn't stay still.
 Throughout the ENTIRE Maiden set, the tall lanky kid kept jumping up and down pumping his fists above his head fast and vigerously while swaying his body side to side.  My friend that came with me is only 5'5 and it ruined the whole experience for her.  I'm glad this guy was having fun but he was not conscientious about the short woman behind him whatsoever. I even tapped him on the shoulder and pointed out that she couldn't see. He mellowed out for about a half a song and then started right up again. What a douche!
 We were 30 rows up about 2/3 the way back in the dome, there was no need for that. Maybe that dude was hoping the band would see him. I seriously wanted to knock his block off,, but I restrained.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 09, 2019, 11:26:34 PM
My friend that came with me is only 5'5 and it ruined the whole experience for her.  I'm glad this guy was having fun but he was not conscientious about the short woman behind him whatsoever. I even tapped him on the shoulder and pointed out that she couldn't see. He mellowed out for about a half a song and then started right up again.

Well, I'm 5'6 (and male although that shouldn't be relevant) and this is what it's like for me at every show unless I'm lucky enough for it to be a seated show, and everyone remains seated. Explains why I go to so few now. I don't see why someone who's relatively tall should effectively have a more valuable ticket than someone who's relatively short. Imagine if the cinema worked in the same way.

And, yup, I know there are plenty of shorter people than me at any given show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 10, 2019, 01:39:01 AM
My mindset regarding tall people is this.  They paid their good money for tickets like the rest of us average/short height people.  They have as much of a right like everyone else to get a good spot and enjoy the show as they see fit as long as they are not intentionally being dicks.  I've had my issues of being behind tall people when they got rail spots in GA shows, but I wasn't bothered by it at all.  Luckily, I always find a way to get a proper view.  Honestly, while there was a pretty tall dude that got a rail spot that blocked my view at the DT show in LA, I wasn't mad at that guy (he must have paid a pretty penny to get that ticket) as I was really mad at this one dude that was standing on his chair a couple of rows in front of me and I was hoping his family would be considerate enough for him to try to get him down (I know my family would get me down if I pull something like being the only guy standing on a chair in a room full of people), but nope.  Stood on it for the second half of SFAM set.

Now when it comes to seats in arenas or stadiums, I would think that arenas would design their seat sections where the rows behind wouldn't have a terrible view for various heights if everyone is standing (especially in sports).  Then again, I find myself near aisles in concerts if I have seats so I have no issue getting to near the stairs if the possibility of tall people are really impeding my view that night.  I sure hope I don't run into any issues regarding having bad stage vantage during this show on Saturday.  Being seated behind ladies would help in that sense, but let's not kid ourselves.  I highly doubt single women or a group of women by themselves is going to be at a Iron Maiden show.  They are probably going to be with their families or with their boyfriend/husband (and give me another reason to be bummed out at my single life).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on September 10, 2019, 02:45:39 AM
I'm near 6'4 and try to be mindful, but when I have a good spot then that is my spot. I don't usually like being in the front though, so I don't think I am that much of a view-blocker. And not that my length helps me all that much over here in the Netherlands, most of my friends are taller than me and it is not unusual someone taller is in front of me during concerts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 10, 2019, 02:56:49 AM
I'm 6'9, so I'm pretty much a nightmare for whoever stands behind me. Usually, there is a large empty space behind me whenever I attend a show. :lol

If I wan't a good spot, I'll come early, so whoever decides to take a spot behind me didn't think it through. If I don't care about being in the front, I'll come in later and pick a spot in the back. Again, if you decide to voluntarily stand behind me, you're probably not too bright. There's plenty of other space. But pushing through the people that have already found their places is out of limits for a tall guy like me, that would be a dick move.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 10, 2019, 06:00:32 AM
Oi, tall people! My post is not a criticism of you, it's about catering for everyone so our tickets are worth the same :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 10, 2019, 06:25:51 AM
I just saw other tall people discussing their concert experiences and felt the need to chime in, without looking four posts above.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2019, 07:59:48 AM
I'm 5'8", so more often than not I have someone in front of me that I have to look around, and after 52 (today!) years of figuring it out, it's not an issue.  I find more of a problem with people that don't acknowledge personal space more than I do with height.  If you're going to take a spot, then generally stay there.  If you're going to cram your way up to the front, don't spend the whole time with your face in your phone, or trying to facetime the show to your sister.   I forget the show now, but I had a woman next to me at one show and she had her phone on, but whenever she wasn't texting or whatever she curled her hand so that the screen was literally flashing in my face.  I finally put my hand over it and gently pushed it down. She apologized, but not two songs later...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 10, 2019, 10:09:11 AM
I'm 5''2" so I'm always behind someone taller than me. Occasionally I'll be lucky to be behind someone my height or not tall enough to block my view.

I don't shove my way to the front. I'll usually find an opening and ask the people there if I can go to that empty opening or ask if i could get through. Most of the time they're cool and will let me through.

Now, what bugs me is the wall of boyfriends. Basically guys who go with their girlfriends (whom are on the rails up front) and they stand behind them. Usually, they dont know the bands and are likely there to protect their girl. They get all aggressive a bit when they're at a show with a lot of pushing and shoving, so I'm sorry if I get pushed into you, no need to elbow me in the face or stomach.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2019, 11:13:54 AM
HAHAHAHA, I read your first paragraph, and first thing I thought of was "you should push up against the rail and have one of your buddies stand behind you!"   Then I read the second paragraph... I'm with you on that.  "Look, bro, I'm not groping your ugly girlfriend during the main set, so tone it down." 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 10, 2019, 02:24:14 PM
HAHAHAHA, I read your first paragraph, and first thing I thought of was "you should push up against the rail and have one of your buddies stand behind you!"   Then I read the second paragraph... I'm with you on that.  "Look, bro, I'm not groping your ugly girlfriend during the main set, so tone it down."

:lol

I can easily make my way up by doing what I said above. I'll go as far as I can, usually people are cool about it. Even when I hit the wall. I'm happy where I stand as long as I can see and have a blast. I like finding spots where people get into it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 10, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
Tall people don't bother me at all. Yes it SUCKS and yes it has happened to me plenty of times.  I remember at an Incubus concert a guy in front of me was sitting and I was like hey man, get up (we were talking earlier, not like an aggressive but like hey have fun) and he said he was too tall to stand.  I felt bad for the guy, it's not the tall people's fault.  Now the jumping and hands in the air, ugh that's tough because you hope to be mindful of those around you, but it's a metal show and the person just wants to have fun. 

At the Knotfest NJ show a few weeks ago, my friend who's a former college football player came with me.  He's legit 6'5" if not 6'6 and has a big build.  He kept saying he wanted to stand but felt bad for the people two rows behind him (it was early that people hadn't come in yet) and then a few songs later the singer of Behemoth asked everyone to stand, so we did and we didn't sit after.  I feel bad for the short people and I feel bad for the tall who know they are blocking someone, but should they just sit all show like the guy at the Incubus concert?  What about when the metal music is asking for you to stand/jump/put your first in the air?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2019, 01:35:09 PM
Bruce Dickinson flies our DC-3! | IRON MAIDEN | Plane Savers S2-E8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgFHG2Xa2D4)

Really cool episode!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 11, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
Bruce Dickinson flies our DC-3! | IRON MAIDEN | Plane Savers S2-E8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgFHG2Xa2D4)

Really cool episode!
Thanks for sharing, that was awesome!  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 13, 2019, 08:54:38 PM
All right, we finally made to this point.  LA show is tomorrow.  I got my parking and travel arrangements somewhat mapped out.  For now, I'm watching Rock In Rio as 11 of the 16 songs from this tour's setlist is in that DVD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2019, 09:07:01 PM
LA show is tomorrow.  I got my parking and travel arrangements somewhat mapped out. 

After driving around this venue this summer, I am interested in this. What are your plans?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 13, 2019, 09:19:24 PM
Nothing too fancy.  Going to be parking somewhere in LA Live (I know someone that got me a validated spot in a lot) and then taking the Metro Expo Line or Bus (if the Expo Line is still closed, near the station I will be going to, due to construction) to the station near USC and then walk to the stadium.  Afterwards, when the show is over, if I feel like taking the Metro in the late night is too risky in a sense that they come too infrequent, I'll just take a Lyft or Uber back to the parking lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2019, 01:59:30 PM
Ang, how was the show?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 15, 2019, 03:30:13 PM
Good question.  I had an awesome time.  Definitively a show of the year contender.  I'm not going to ahead and give a long essay of thoughts like I would in my normal concert thoughts since everyone here that has seen the show knows that this show was great, the band was fantastic and you wouldn't think these guys were in their 60s, Bruce was awesome and animated as ever, the setlist was great, all the production values is out of the world.  It's always awesome to see a band that has a custom backdrop of all of their songs.  The only thing that sorta bugged me was that I was placed in the far back and centered section where I thought I would have a fantastic center view and I did.  One catch, there was this thing that was placed on top of the middle speaker in the fields and it blocked a portion of my view of the stage (right around where Steve would normally be positioned in).  Thankfully, there were two big screens anyway to capture a lot of action so I wasn't bothered by it too much except for the two opening bands where they didn't get to utilized those screens at all so no close up footage for those two bands (I think those screens could have helped get people into those bands rather than try to feign interest and give a respectful applause after a song ends.)

Also, I guess I kinda wished the crowd were more into the I guess "obscurer" songs outside of the 80s era like The Clansman, For the Greater Good of God, etc. but I think that's asking too much since this is a history of Maiden tour.  Another downer for me was that when I got to my seat, I had huge cramps in my left leg (that might have been due to the fact that I was walking about a mile from the Metro Expo Line station to the stadium in really warm LA weather and stood around for another hour or so.  That honestly didn't make sense since I was standing in line for about 4 hours two weeks ago for another show and had no cramps.  Just plain feet soreness) so I found myself sitting the entire time.  Thankfully, the person in front of me was sitting so that was a bit of a relief to me.

The people around me were nice.  Sure, there was a row in front of me was smoking what I presume was pot a lot and the smell of it was too overbearing, but it wasn't a distraction.  I sat next to a guy that stated that this was his 15th Maiden show and that his first show was in Long Beach Arena back in 1985 for Live After Death.  Overall, people around me were friendly and not giving anyone a hard time at all.  Just really excited to see Iron Maiden although, and this is just me, I just don't like the look that people have where they wear denim vests with all kinds of metal band logos on it.  I always find that look to be tacky.

Overall, seeing Iron Maiden first time ever lived up to every expectation, and then some, and hype for me waiting the 10 months to see this show.  I would absolutely love to see them again in Southern California a few more times before they call it a career.  I just hope they do not host it in Glen Helen Amphitheater and Banc of California Stadium is a nice looking stadium.  Just really hard to get out (I took a Lyft to get back to the parking lot in LA Live I was parked in and we waited like 10-15 minutes to get out).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2019, 04:15:35 PM
That looked like a vey big and epic Maiden show in that stadium, but with that comes shit like the structures of the set up getting in the way. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 16, 2019, 11:11:24 AM
Ang, I'm curious what section you were in.  I steered clear of the show because of the prices (obviously, I didn't buy when they went on sale).  My understanding of a soccer field is that it's about as long as a football field and a bit wider.  General admission seats were $400+, and I wouldn't do GA anyway.  On Friday, the lowest price seat was in the corner of the "endzone" at the other end of the field from where the state was, and I wasn't about to drop $250 for that and not be able to see well.  Anyway, just curious for future reference if someone else I want to see plays at the venue.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 16, 2019, 11:25:57 AM
I was Section 222, Row D.  This was the location of my seat below.  I think the price I paid at $70.00 was the cheapest seats for the show.  I'm not able to actually post a picture of my view at the moment, but there was a tall structure a couple of yards behind where it says mix where the center speaker was and then there was something on top of that speaker.  That something blocked a portion of my view of the stage.  Other than that issue, I had a good, but very far view.  I guess next time if I want to get tickets at this stadium, I probably want to be in a section left or right where I was at to avoid that blocking too much to the point of irritation.

(https://i.imgur.com/ipE2fiJ.png)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 16, 2019, 01:21:56 PM
That's a reasonable price for that location.  The seat I was looking at was in that triangle shaped section to the right of and below where you were.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 16, 2019, 08:45:57 PM
I don't want to derail the thread from the real Iron Maiden, but I thought these two covers really impressive. Since probably we'll never see Maiden playing them, maybe you'll find interesting also. It's from a brazilian cover/tribute band "Children of the Beast" and they're are truly excellent live, specially the vocalist, which it's the hardest job here, no doubt.
Empire of the Clouds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=GuVjI07u09o
Alexander the Great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ0FNY2ojCM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2019, 08:51:44 PM
WOW!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 17, 2019, 08:06:36 AM
That ending part of Alexander the Great - the part around 7:30 to about 8:15 - was incredible.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on September 17, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
Fantastic
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on September 17, 2019, 12:46:09 PM
Those were great  :tup Vocalist really sounds like Bruce  :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 17, 2019, 02:33:16 PM
That was really great! :tup Man the guitar lead at 4:00 is such a wacky part.

They even got Eddie in their show  :lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tPTOHU4vkU
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 17, 2019, 02:52:46 PM
There can be a very fine line between tribute and unwitting parody.  These guys appear to come dangerously close at times.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 17, 2019, 04:25:40 PM
There can be a very fine line between tribute and unwitting parody.  These guys appear to come dangerously close at times.

That brief bit of live footage during Alexander made me chuckle (I haven't watched anything else yet).

I think it would be amusing if the Mac Sabbath guys started doing other bands (Mac Maiden?  Iron McMuffin?).  The singer would have to get a helluva lot better to do Maiden material.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 23, 2019, 02:41:11 PM
Two UK dates announced for 2020! it strongly looks that it's gonna be once again a Legacy of the Beast tour.

On one hand, I'm salivating at the idea of having a chance to see this magnificent show again. On the other hand... just release a new album and tour for it dammit!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 23, 2019, 07:26:19 PM
Two UK dates announced for 2020! it strongly looks that it's gonna be once again a Legacy of the Beast tour.

On one hand, I'm salivating at the idea of having a chance to see this magnificent show again. On the other hand... just release a new album and tour for it dammit!
It seems Bruce confirmed that it will be another leg from the legacy tour...
Incredible tour and all, but I think Maiden should release a new album next tear, to balance things more IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2019, 08:08:42 PM
Agreed, the tour feels dragged out now. Even if they dont release new music, change up the set a bit. It was a great show and all, but it will be 3 years of it by then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 24, 2019, 06:31:10 AM
Maiden England also took three years. As long as there is demand by the fans for more, they will do it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 24, 2019, 06:35:10 AM
Maiden England also took three years. As long as there is demand by the fans for more, they will do it.

Yeah, at the expense however of potentially the last album of their carrer. Even though it's 10 years that we're bracing for the last album and they keep going anyway  :hat

But age is catching up with them and especially Nicko, I thought Bruce's scare made them aware of their mortality and that their time is short. I'm sure however they have a master plan and that they plan these things at least 2 years in advance if not more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 24, 2019, 11:50:04 AM
Maiden England also took three years. As long as there is demand by the fans for more, they will do it.

Exactly, it's why the I&W&B went as long as it did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 24, 2019, 11:57:31 AM
But the good news is, once the "history tours" end, it's usually not that long before new music comes, if memory serves.  I thought the Final Frontier came out about a year after the "Somewhere Back In Time" tour (or whatever it was called) and AMOLAD was less than a year after the "Eddie Rips It Up Tour".   

I (very much regrettably) missed a fair number of tours there for a while, but now Maiden has replaced Kiss, Aerosmith and U2 as my "go see them whenever they come, whether they have an album out or not" band. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2019, 12:34:41 PM
Aerosmith??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 24, 2019, 12:42:42 PM
Aerosmith??

One of the best live bands I've seen.  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2019, 12:47:52 PM
I never thought they were very  strong live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 24, 2019, 12:52:00 PM
Yeah; I saw them on the "Done With Mirrors" tour, and then I saw them on my second date with my ex-wife, so we would end up going whenever they came around (to where we were living at the time).  I enjoy them live.   Except for a handful of songs - Cryin', I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - most of the "hits" translate better live ("Love In An Elevator" is EXCELLENT live) and they usually throw in a nugget or two ("Seasons Of Wither" is enough to get me to go just about any time).  I'm not going to Springfield (casino gig here in Mass for those that don't know) because it's too steep, but they're good live. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 24, 2019, 02:27:25 PM
"go see them whenever they come, whether they have an album out or not" band.

That's my attitude with Maiden basically since Dance of Death.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 24, 2019, 03:05:01 PM
I don't know if this is the right place or not (I searched the forum for a G'n'R thread, no dice!) but anyone see the setlist from the Guns and Roses show in Hollywood the other night?   Pretty good, and Axl is now singing a Velvet Revolver song. Well, let me caveat that; the band is PLAYING a Velvet Revolver song ("Slither").  But they also either played or rehearsed half of Chinese Democracy (though only two songs got played in the main show).   

(Don't get the hate for Axl's hair though; the internet sucks, man.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2019, 03:09:09 PM
I don't know if this is the right place or not

It's not! :P :P :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2019, 03:17:35 PM
Just up on Dime:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Joe Perry Project

Allentown Fairgrounds
7/26/81

Samples aren't great but are good enough! :metal

The was the Charlie Farren fronted version of the JPP, which to me, was the best version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 24, 2019, 03:29:18 PM
I don't know if this is the right place or not

It's not! :P :P :P

Hater.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 25, 2019, 09:34:59 AM
Two UK dates announced for 2020! it strongly looks that it's gonna be once again a Legacy of the Beast tour.

On one hand, I'm salivating at the idea of having a chance to see this magnificent show again. On the other hand... just release a new album and tour for it dammit!
It seems Bruce confirmed that it will be another leg from the legacy tour...
Incredible tour and all, but I think Maiden should release a new album next tear, to balance things more IMO.
Agreed, a new album would be great.  Book of Souls was just an "ok" album to me, nothing special with kind of weird production.  It does have some good songs but the overall vibe is a bit gloomy/ foggy. Also the worst looking Eddie ever...lol!
 I would like to see them put out at least one more great album and go out on a high note. Kind of like Rush did with Clockwork Angels..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 25, 2019, 03:02:01 PM
I've always been moderate on AMOLAD, preferring both Dance of Death and The Final Frontier over it, but I listened to (most of) it last night while ripping my CDs to the network drive (I'm on "I" if no has guessed yet) and man, it was GOOD.  Really good.  There's some really good stuff in the reunion years, and daresay it might now be a better overall body of work than that which came before.  I'm not 100% there yet in saying that, but it's getting closer than it should be in an age where "rock is dead".

By the way, anyone hear the band doing an acoustic "Tush" by ZZ Top while in the studio recording AMOLAD?   Bruce KILLS it. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 25, 2019, 03:32:40 PM
Aerosmith??

One of the best live bands I've seen.  :metal :metal :metal

Having just saw them the other night in Vegas, I can attest that they are up there
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2019, 03:40:57 PM
I've always been moderate on AMOLAD, preferring both Dance of Death and The Final Frontier over it, but I listened to (most of) it last night while ripping my CDs to the network drive (I'm on "I" if no has guessed yet) and man, it was GOOD.  Really good.  There's some really good stuff in the reunion years, and daresay it might now be a better overall body of work than that which came before.  I'm not 100% there yet in saying that, but it's getting closer than it should be in an age where "rock is dead".


I made this thread before you joined. Nothing wrong with saying the Reunion Era was better.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44551.0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 25, 2019, 03:44:36 PM
By the way, anyone hear the band doing an acoustic "Tush" by ZZ Top while in the studio recording AMOLAD?   Bruce KILLS it.

Well...that's certainly a song that deserves to be killed....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 25, 2019, 06:17:01 PM
Just got to San Antonio for the last show of the US leg. Stoked!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 28, 2019, 09:43:52 AM
It was only a matter of time before it would happen  :rollin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qFthNSkNAw
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 28, 2019, 10:00:23 AM
It was only a matter of time before it would happen  :rollin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qFthNSkNAw

Actually it's a wonder it didn't happen SOONER  :lol

If we discard that moment on the Brave New World tour where it was Janick himself who fell off the stage....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 28, 2019, 10:26:30 AM
 :rollin that's hilarious
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 28, 2019, 10:49:13 AM
He was flailing all over at our show. It was funny watching him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 28, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
It was only a matter of time before it would happen  :rollin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qFthNSkNAw

Yeah, I was there. He was apologetic to the security guard. It was a great show. This is THE show to see if you jave never seen Iron Maiden. Every single song was amazing. Even Run to the Hills, which has been overplayed to death, was good to hear. Sign of the Cross and Revelation were the highlights for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on September 28, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
He was flailing all over at our show. It was funny watching him.

Must be a new defensive maneuver for when Eddie comes out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 28, 2019, 01:33:10 PM
AMOLAD is easily my favorite reunion album (though I haven't given Book of Souls a good listen since it was released), and one of my favorite IM albums of any era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 29, 2019, 12:02:43 PM
Bravewords posted an old article with Bruce about the reunion.

http://bravewords.com/features/iron-maiden-s-bruce-dickinson-talks-1999-reunion-in-bravewords-25-flashback-i-want-to-put-the-band-back-together-so-it-can-be-bigger-than-it-ever-was
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2019, 12:28:07 PM
Well, he was sincere about not wanting to run away again after a tour and being commited long term. By now the reunion era is officially older than the recording era of Maiden until Bruce's return! 1980-1999, 19 years, against the almost 21 now years since the reunion.

Also I think that, ironically, if Bruce were to tour right now, he'd make huge numbers, at least in Europe. In Italy maybe he wouldn't get the basket venue that Iron Maiden and Dream Theater play, but I have no problems to think he'd sell out another moderately big venue where the likes of Blind Guardian, Avantasia and Alice Cooper play. If he'd tour in the summer as a solo act, I'm sure he'd get the headliner spot unless some of the titans were around as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2019, 01:53:49 PM
He'd have no issue touring, maybe not arenas but he could do good size venues in Europe and all the mid sized spots in the US, similar to Demons and Wizards recent tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 29, 2019, 01:56:54 PM
D&W played The Palladium in Worcester. When I saw Bruce on the AOB tour, he played The Strand in Providence, which is basically the same size as The Palladium.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on October 02, 2019, 09:19:18 AM
Live streaming of the Rock in Rio show this week:
https://www.livexlive.com/live-events/festival/rock-in-rio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 02, 2019, 09:46:53 AM
Bravewords posted an old article with Bruce about the reunion.

http://bravewords.com/features/iron-maiden-s-bruce-dickinson-talks-1999-reunion-in-bravewords-25-flashback-i-want-to-put-the-band-back-together-so-it-can-be-bigger-than-it-ever-was

"The first thing I said to Steve was that 'I'm definitely not making a country and western album', and we both laughed."

I always loved the original quote from Steve :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on October 07, 2019, 05:55:42 AM
Saw them yesterday in Sao Paulo. Incredible concert, the band sounded amazing and the production is the best i've seen yet, by any band.

Incredible experience.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 10, 2019, 06:03:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kroIhGPj4Ho (this is the actual complete stream, no interruptions detected)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 10, 2019, 06:12:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kroIhGPj4Ho (this is the actual complete stream, no interruptions detected)

Yay!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 10, 2019, 08:34:53 AM
Man, I will unhesitatingly buy this show if it is released.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on October 10, 2019, 02:18:41 PM
I wonder how Micheal Schenker and UFO feel watching all those people rock out to "Doctor, Doctor" while their both essentially a bar band now!  :'(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 10, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
Speaking of that - has someone actually found out *which* exact version of Doctor Doctor the intro of Maiden's shows is? I never really found out, a Michael Schenker version came quite close to it, but I never found the precise one. I swear once it looked like a live version of the song, performed by him and not by UFO, with all the live crowd noise taken out.

EDIT: seems this one, but the tempo feels faster and at Maiden shows you don't hear the crowd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFdWQSq0A24
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on October 10, 2019, 03:23:39 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's from Strangers In The Night. Sure sounds like it to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on October 10, 2019, 06:59:59 PM
Man, I will unhesitatingly buy this show if it is released.
Let's hope so!  I'm so tired of everything having to be "streaming" online or having to watch it on YouTube.
I want the blue-ray so I can blast it through my big stereo and big screen tv. Plus the resolution is much better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 12, 2019, 04:40:29 PM
Finally watched the whole concert from Rock in Rio. Preaching to the converted when I say this show should really get an official release.

Bruce has evidently so much fun with all the theatrics and the costume changes. He probably even enjoyes Fear of the Dark more now that he has to "act" more through the song. And he's totally badass in his jacket / white shirt / leather pants look of The Number of the Beast  :metal

He's also so intense and passionate during the soft verses of For the Greater Good of God. That song took years to grow on me, I remember at the time of its release waving away as the mandatory and predictable Harris solo song full of Harris cliches, and I was almost annoyed at how everyone seemed to consider it the new Hallowed Be Thy Name. But, as Harris-ish as the song is, it's actually damn good after all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 31, 2019, 06:40:01 PM
It's your turn Aussie friends, Maiden is touring Australia next year.  :metal  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2019, 06:25:27 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7643555/Iron-Maiden-frontman-Bruce-Dickinson-61-faces-100million-divorce-battle.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on November 03, 2019, 06:28:44 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7643555/Iron-Maiden-frontman-Bruce-Dickinson-61-faces-100million-divorce-battle.html

Jesus Christ. 'Disable your ad blocker to continue.' Disables ad blocker, page literally gets covered in ads to the point I can't read it.

Sucks for Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2019, 06:30:07 AM
I'd say it sucks for his wife.

Big tits and all, his girlfriend is a skank.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
I'd say it sucks for his wife.

Big tits and all, his girlfriend is a skank.

 :lol she's a "superfan" which strikes me as odd since I couldn't imagine Bruce going for a superfan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2019, 09:17:43 AM
Hey, I’m a super fan!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on November 03, 2019, 09:35:09 AM
Hey, I’m a super fan!!

:rollin

Damn, that made me laugh way more than I expected.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 03, 2019, 09:50:09 AM
Had to google Leana Dolci for science....

ohhh my!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
I heard she was the inspiration for Run To The Hills.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 03, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
Fear of the Squats...fear of the squaaaats...I have a constant fear of fatness settling in!!!!

 Sorry, that was awful, but that was all I could come up with for the time being.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2019, 12:05:25 PM
A Matter Of Life And Breasts
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 03, 2019, 12:44:05 PM
The Cl_i_ _ _ _ _ _t (that probably was awful as well)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 03, 2019, 01:16:38 PM
This is something I never would have seen Bruce doing.  Has never seemed like that kind of guy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 03, 2019, 01:22:50 PM
This is something I never would have seen Bruce doing.  Has never seemed like that kind of guy.
he's a rockstar though (I guess that's what we can call him ?:D They do that kind of thing, don't they? Some of them do anyway. I'm not too surprised.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 03, 2019, 03:26:11 PM
This is something I never would have seen Bruce doing.  Has never seemed like that kind of guy.

Same here. I know I idolize him, but... come on, it's not just fanboyism, it's a fact that he's talented at many things and that he's a singer pilot writer businessman and all around great intelligent guy. We don't know what was his life with his wife and he has a dick too in the end but I thought that if someone could escape the "aging famous person goes after the younger bimbo", that would be him.

The cancer ordeal must have had some collateral effect in his outlook on life or whatever, dunno.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 03, 2019, 03:47:37 PM
This is something I never would have seen Bruce doing.  Has never seemed like that kind of guy.

Same here. I know I idolize him, but... come on, it's not just fanboyism, it's a fact that he's talented at many things and that he's a singer pilot writer businessman and all around great intelligent guy. We don't know what was his life with his wife and he has a dick too in the end but I thought that if someone could escape the "aging famous person goes after the younger bimbo", that would be him.

The cancer ordeal must have had some collateral effect in his outlook on life or whatever, dunno.

Agree mate.  He's probably my number one idol and yeah maybe I'm naive but I thought he'd be the one to never go that path too.  It just seems strange and leaves a bit of a bitter taste at the moment.  As you say, we don't know the situation, I'm sure there's much more behind it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 03, 2019, 03:59:18 PM
Maybe we shouldn't look that much into it other than they've grown away from eachother which is pretty normal these days especially when you don't have kids that live at home anymore which I just assume according to their ages. Lots of couples stick around for their kids and when their gone they realise there's nothing really left so they split up. With all the tours and projects that Bruce are involved in I assume he's not at home very much either and that can play apart in it.

So Bruce being single and a multi millionare flying all over the world, I think it's not too suprising he's in a face and living it so to speak.  :lol

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2019, 04:46:17 PM
This is something I never would have seen Bruce doing.  Has never seemed like that kind of guy.

Same here. I know I idolize him, but... come on, it's not just fanboyism, it's a fact that he's talented at many things and that he's a singer pilot writer businessman and all around great intelligent guy. We don't know what was his life with his wife and he has a dick too in the end but I thought that if someone could escape the "aging famous person goes after the younger bimbo", that would be him.

The cancer ordeal must have had some collateral effect in his outlook on life or whatever, dunno.

Agree mate.  He's probably my number one idol and yeah maybe I'm naive but I thought he'd be the one to never go that path too.  It just seems strange and leaves a bit of a bitter taste at the moment.  As you say, we don't know the situation, I'm sure there's much more behind it.

Yea, I'm with you guys that I find it a bit surprising but at the same time, it's really not.  It seemed like he's been "dating" this girl for awhile while still being married and so far haven't even started a divorce process.  This may be some situation where there isn't a "ill will" if you may say and that people have simply grown apart.  And yea, I could imagine staring at death with cancer could change how you view your life.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 03, 2019, 07:56:30 PM
I have to be honest; some of you are my friends and I respect you but I'm flat out BAFFLED by some of these comments.

Marriages fail.  They just do.   As I read it, the marriage fell apart before he took up with this woman.

And after you get over, I'd say, 35 or so, years just don't matter that much.  He's 61 that means she's 46; that's no spring chicken. 

As for the "boobs" and "superfan" stuff, that just seems like sensationalist journalism.  I don't think he has any more or less integrity if he dates a flat-chested skank with no musical knowledge (sorry, I don't mean to be crass, just making a point).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2019, 08:02:27 PM
I'm not a Bruce guy. Never have been.

Me, I'm just goofing.


But I think a lot of people really respect Bruce, and I think would be disappointed if something happened to him, where maybe because he was a rock star, it's assumed he's at fault.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 03, 2019, 08:39:57 PM
I have to be honest; some of you are my friends and I respect you but I'm flat out BAFFLED by some of these comments.

Marriages fail.  They just do.   As I read it, the marriage fell apart before he took up with this woman.

And after you get over, I'd say, 35 or so, years just don't matter that much.  He's 61 that means she's 46; that's no spring chicken. 

As for the "boobs" and "superfan" stuff, that just seems like sensationalist journalism.  I don't think he has any more or less integrity if he dates a flat-chested skank with no musical knowledge (sorry, I don't mean to be crass, just making a point).

In retrospect, you're right.  No offence taken Bill.  I missed that they broke up before he hooked up with her.  I guess no one really has the right to be judgemental without knowing the story.  Just hopefully there is nothing more behind it and his ex tries to come out and talk shit or whatever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 04, 2019, 11:50:16 AM
I have to be honest; some of you are my friends and I respect you but I'm flat out BAFFLED by some of these comments.

Marriages fail.  They just do.   As I read it, the marriage fell apart before he took up with this woman.

And after you get over, I'd say, 35 or so, years just don't matter that much.  He's 61 that means she's 46; that's no spring chicken. 

As for the "boobs" and "superfan" stuff, that just seems like sensationalist journalism.  I don't think he has any more or less integrity if he dates a flat-chested skank with no musical knowledge (sorry, I don't mean to be crass, just making a point).

In retrospect, you're right.  No offence taken Bill.  I missed that they broke up before he hooked up with her.  I guess no one really has the right to be judgemental without knowing the story.  Just hopefully there is nothing more behind it and his ex tries to come out and talk shit or whatever.

Oh Stads is totally right, but it just seems like you picture someone one way and it turns out they aren't.  I don't think Bruce banging a chick is really surprising in anyway, but the band just seems so private that I wouldn't expect someone, or Bruce specifically, to get romantically involved with a fan.  But, that could be sensational journalism.  Who knows.  If Bruce is happy then all is good though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 04, 2019, 02:17:19 PM
I likewise was surprised to read this news and was a bit disappointed by it. But yeah, we don't know the whole story, nor will we probably ever find out, although I wouldn't be surprised if he is questioned about it when he does his speaking engagements. I guess the thing that makes it especially seem improper is that I've read that his soon-to-be ex-wife supported him throughout his whole cancer ordeal. So for him to split with her and pursue a relationship with some younger blond "superfan" that looks like a Kardashian wanna-be just doesn't seem right. Honestly not trying to judge him considering we don't know any of the facts other than what's in the news, but it doesn't put him in a good light.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 04, 2019, 02:18:27 PM
In reading about Rik Ocasek, didn't he and his wife split after he battled cancer too?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 05, 2019, 07:22:46 AM
Yep; they remained friends, though.  (I read she was the one that found him.)

You can connect the dots in a way that says the same thing about Eddie VH (he first had his tongue cancer thing in 2000, declared cancer free in 2002, and they divorced in 2007 after being separated for four years.   2007 - 4 = 2003.)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 05, 2019, 07:24:42 AM
I likewise was surprised to read this news and was a bit disappointed by it. But yeah, we don't know the whole story, nor will we probably ever find out, although I wouldn't be surprised if he is questioned about it when he does his speaking engagements. I guess the thing that makes it especially seem improper is that I've read that his soon-to-be ex-wife supported him throughout his whole cancer ordeal. So for him to split with her and pursue a relationship with some younger blond "superfan" that looks like a Kardashian wanna-be just doesn't seem right. Honestly not trying to judge him considering we don't know any of the facts other than what's in the news, but it doesn't put him in a good light.

But again, "younger blonde 'superfan'" just smacks of tabloid journalism.  There's nothing in that phrase that gives us any indication of ANYTHING to do with their relationship.   My wife is seven years younger than me, and blonde.  Did I marry a "younger blonde 'superfan'" too?   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 05, 2019, 02:12:15 PM
I likewise was surprised to read this news and was a bit disappointed by it. But yeah, we don't know the whole story, nor will we probably ever find out, although I wouldn't be surprised if he is questioned about it when he does his speaking engagements. I guess the thing that makes it especially seem improper is that I've read that his soon-to-be ex-wife supported him throughout his whole cancer ordeal. So for him to split with her and pursue a relationship with some younger blond "superfan" that looks like a Kardashian wanna-be just doesn't seem right. Honestly not trying to judge him considering we don't know any of the facts other than what's in the news, but it doesn't put him in a good light.

But again, "younger blonde 'superfan'" just smacks of tabloid journalism.  There's nothing in that phrase that gives us any indication of ANYTHING to do with their relationship.   My wife is seven years younger than me, and blonde.  Did I marry a "younger blonde 'superfan'" too?   
Feel free to ignore the "superfan" word from my post because quite frankly it wouldn't change my thoughts on the situation one way or the other.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 05, 2019, 03:15:35 PM
I likewise was surprised to read this news and was a bit disappointed by it. But yeah, we don't know the whole story, nor will we probably ever find out, although I wouldn't be surprised if he is questioned about it when he does his speaking engagements. I guess the thing that makes it especially seem improper is that I've read that his soon-to-be ex-wife supported him throughout his whole cancer ordeal. So for him to split with her and pursue a relationship with some younger blond "superfan" that looks like a Kardashian wanna-be just doesn't seem right. Honestly not trying to judge him considering we don't know any of the facts other than what's in the news, but it doesn't put him in a good light.

But again, "younger blonde 'superfan'" just smacks of tabloid journalism.  There's nothing in that phrase that gives us any indication of ANYTHING to do with their relationship.   My wife is seven years younger than me, and blonde.  Did I marry a "younger blonde 'superfan'" too?   

Well, you would think she would have to like you in some capacity to marry you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 05, 2019, 03:27:29 PM
To steer back towards the music a bit, I had a wacky idea: that the Legacy of the Beast tour is Maiden's farewell tour... without it being an actual farewell, or even being billed as such.

This late in their carrer, this is the first nostalgia tour done basically for the sake of it (yeah, the video game, I know), so it has all the hallmarks of a farewell tour. But rather than being billed as such, with the inevitable and clichè backtracking of "no we never meant to retire", they don't even bother with billing it as such and they just gor for it, all guns blazing, with a kickass setlist and stage show.

I see it as a "just in case" tour, if something bad happens, this is it, and it was a blast, ending on top. If they (as they seem to hint) do another album and another tour it's fine, but this tour serves as a nice memory of what it was like to see Iron Maiden even if it's not the actual end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 05, 2019, 03:29:08 PM
There's strong rumors that the next album is already in the can.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 05, 2019, 03:32:34 PM
There's strong rumors that the next album is already in the can.

Unreal if true.  Are they from half reliable sources?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 05, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/iron-maiden-studio-album-17-rumours-and-speculations.65206/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 05, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/iron-maiden-studio-album-17-rumours-and-speculations.65206/

Nice.  The one post a couple of pages from the end is pretty damning.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 05, 2019, 07:22:16 PM
There's strong rumors that the next album is already in the can.

Unreal if true.  Are they from half reliable sources?

I've heard this too.   

And I'll note that they've done this before, alternating between "album" tours and "legacy" tours.   

The Ed Hunter Tour - - - The Brave New World Tour
The "Give Em Ed" Tour - - - The Dance Of Death Tour
The "Eddie Rips It Up" Tour - - - The Matter Of Life And Death Tour
The Somewhere Back In Time Tour - - - The Final Frontier Tour
The Maiden England Tour - - - The Book Of Souls Tour
The Legacy Of The Beast Tour - - - ??????

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 05, 2019, 08:34:50 PM
There's strong rumors that the next album is already in the can.

Unreal if true.  Are they from half reliable sources?

I've heard this too.   

And I'll note that they've done this before, alternating between "album" tours and "legacy" tours.   

The Ed Hunter Tour - - - The Brave New World Tour
The "Give Em Ed" Tour - - - The Dance Of Death Tour
The "Eddie Rips It Up" Tour - - - The Matter Of Life And Death Tour
The Somewhere Back In Time Tour - - - The Final Frontier Tour
The Maiden England Tour - - - The Book Of Souls Tour
The Legacy Of The Beast Tour - - - ??????
That was my first thought - since the reunion they've been ping ponging back and forth. So I wouldn't expect this current tour to be the end of it all unless something unplanned, unexpected and extremely serious happened.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 06, 2019, 01:05:11 AM
So I wouldn't expect this current tour to be the end of it all unless something unplanned, unexpected and extremely serious happened.

Indeed. That's why I said that I see it as a "just-in-case farewell tour without being announced as such", which is more enjoyable without the gimmick of "last time ever to see the band, this is the end oh wait nevermind we come back next year with an even higher price because THAT will be the end, pinky swear!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 07, 2019, 03:31:20 AM
Tour dates announced all over the world!  :metal (well, the rest of the world that wasn't touched this year)

May 2020
01  Perth, AUSTRALIA – RAC Arena, Special Guests: (Killswitch Engage)
03  Adelaide, AUSTRALIA – Entertainment Centre (Killswitch Engage)
05  Brisbane, AUSTRALIA – Entertainment Centre (Killswitch Engage)
07  Sydney, AUSTRALIA – Qudos Bank Arena (Killswitch Engage)
11  Melbourne, AUSTRALIA – Rod Laver Arena (Killswitch Engage)
13  Auckland, NEW ZEALAND – Spark Arena (Killswitch Engage)
16  Manila, PHILIPPINES - Pulp Summer Slam ^
19  Tokyo, JAPAN – Pia Arena MM
20  Tokyo, JAPAN – Pia Arena MM
22  Osaka, JAPAN - Venue to be announced
27  Dubai, UAE – Coca-Cola Arena
30  Tel Aviv, ISRAEL – Bloomfield Stadium (Orphaned Land)

June 2020
05 – 07  Tampere, FINLAND – Rockfest ^
09  Bremen, GERMANY – Buergerweide (Disturbed & Airbourne)
10  Cologne, GERMANY – Rhein-Energie-Stadium (Airbourne & Lord of the Lost)
13  Donington, UK – Download Festival ^
15  Belfast, UK – Belsonic Festival ^
18  Dessel, BELGIUM – Graspop Festival ^
20  Copenhagen, DENMARK – Copenhell Festival ^
23  Berlin, GERMANY – Waldbuehne (Airbourne & Lord of the Lost)
25  Oslo, NORWAY – Tons of Rock Festival ^
27  Gothenburg, SWEDEN – Ullevi Stadium (Alter Bridge & Airbourne)
30  St Petersburg, RUSSIA – Ice Palace (Airbourne)

July 2020
02  Moscow, RUSSIA – VTB Arena – Dynamo Central Stadium (Airbourne)
05  Warsaw, POLAND – PGE Narodowy (Within Temptation & Lord of the Lost)
07  Prague, Czech Republic – Sinobo Stadium (Airbourne & Lord of the Lost)
09  Weert, HOLLAND –  Evenemententerrein (Alter Bridge & Airbourne)
11  Paris, FRANCE – Paris La Defense Arena (Airbourne & Avatar)
16  Wiener, AUSTRIA – Neustadt Stadium (Airbourne & Lord of the Lost)
18  Stuttgart, GERMANY – Mercedes-Benz Arena (Airbourne & Lord of the Lost)
20  Bologna, ITALY – Sonic Park (Airbourne & Lord of the Lost)
23  Lisbon, PORTUGAL – Estadio Nacional (Within Temptation & Airbourne)
25  Barcelona, SPAIN – Olympic Stadium (Within Temptation & Airbourne)

^ = Festivals
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 07, 2019, 04:42:09 AM
Wow, didn't expect that! I guess that's a sign I have to see them on this leg.

Gothenburg 2020! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 07, 2019, 04:49:43 AM
They play in Italy as well. 200 KM away from where I live. On a monday. In full holiday season at work where we're understaffed.

It's not unconceivable for me to obtain anyway at least half a day off, but I was thinking just for the hell of it a road trip to places where they play on a saturday, and believe me, I've already checked  :lol

Sweden is too far away but damn if I didn't wish for once to experience what it's like to see a Maiden concert among a fuckton of crazy scandinavian Maiden fans  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 05:17:17 AM
crazy scandinavian Maiden fans  :metal
Scandinavian fans aren't crazy  :lol maybe for Maiden it's a bit different, but I'd be surprised. You're not missing out on much  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 07, 2019, 05:19:36 AM
Well, they always seem to consider the scandinavian gigs some of the best things ever happened to them in life.

And they tour constantly Italy so they're used to amazing crowds  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 05:22:00 AM
Well, they always seem to consider the scandinavian gigs some of the best things ever happened to them in life.
Cool, so now we know they're going senile  :lol

I mean... not to rag on Scandinavia much, there's probably a lot of great IM fans around here, but a band that's experienced thousands upon thousands of screaming Iron Maiden fans in Brazil must be kidding when they say Scandi gigs are their favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 07, 2019, 08:28:55 AM
Well, they always seem to consider the scandinavian gigs some of the best things ever happened to them in life.
Cool, so now we know they're going senile  :lol

I mean... not to rag on Scandinavia much, there's probably a lot of great IM fans around here, but a band that's experienced thousands upon thousands of screaming Iron Maiden fans in Brazil must be kidding when they say Scandi gigs are their favorite.
Maiden have alot of support in Sweden compare to other Nordic countries I think. There was a resurgent during the 00s when they sold out stadiums in Gothenburg which I think took them by suprise.

Maiden got also alot of mainstream publicity in Sweden at that time, heck Nicko even became friend with a very beloved TV personality called Lasse Berhagen to the point they played golf together.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 07, 2019, 08:31:58 AM
That Cologne date is a mighty tempting target.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on November 07, 2019, 09:06:08 AM
Never saw Maiden in my life and generally not a fan of stadium shows at all (too crowded and too expensive), but I'm really considering going to see them at least once.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 07, 2019, 09:20:05 AM
Never saw Maiden in my life and generally not a fan of stadium shows at all (too crowded and too expensive), but I'm really considering going to see them at least once.

If you see Iron Maiden once, this is the show to see. Period. It's a perfect and magnificent example of what Iron Maiden is all about without either being a new album tour, or a '80s hits galore. Go and see it. You won't regret it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Went to a Maiden gig in the summer once. Was extremely hot and uncomf, the sound was unimpressive because of the open air factor, Ghost was opening (don't care for them). Still had a blast. If there's one band worth seeing in the pits of hell, it's Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2019, 09:30:25 AM
Never saw Maiden in my life and generally not a fan of stadium shows at all (too crowded and too expensive), but I'm really considering going to see them at least once.

You should go, even if its a hassle, I think you'll find it worth it in the end.

Also, Disturbed opening on that one date would be an awesome show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 07, 2019, 09:41:13 AM
Heck, even Alter Bridge found themselves opening for Maiden in Gothenburg and Holland.  I would consider flying to Holland for this, but I've already seen both bands at their own shows this year and both shows were the highest of top tiers of shows I've seen this year, so I need another incentive if I'm going to invest $2,000+ to fly and stay in Europe (like a different setlist from either bands or another Alter Bridge headlining show nearby).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2019, 09:52:22 AM
Also Within Temptation are opening on some dates, Avatar opening for one.... damn and we got The Raven Age in the US  >:( even Airbourne would be sick (I hardly know them, but I know enough that they would be a better opener).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 07, 2019, 09:55:37 AM
Also Within Temptation are opening on some dates, Avatar opening for one.... damn and we got The Raven Age in the US  >:( even Airbourne would be sick (I hardly know them, but I know enough that they would be a better opener).

I had Fozzy in addition for the show in LA and they actually put a better set than I anticipated, including a cover of Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap.  Sadly, the opening bands did not (or could not?) use the big video screens to the sides of the stadium, so we had no close up shots of them from the nosebleeds which could have helped with the crowd reaction (maybe not, but every little bit could have helped them).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
Yea, LA was the one show with Fozzy which would have been cool if they were the opener for the whole tour. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2019, 10:24:56 AM
Never saw Maiden in my life and generally not a fan of stadium shows at all (too crowded and too expensive), but I'm really considering going to see them at least once.

If you see Iron Maiden once, this is the show to see. Period. It's a perfect and magnificent example of what Iron Maiden is all about without either being a new album tour, or a '80s hits galore. Go and see it. You won't regret it.

Yeah, I second that.  This is one of those shows that's less about the album (there is none) or any specific song, it's just a cool package, a two-hour master class in how you do a high-level rock show.   I get that if you've seen them 10 times you might say "well, cool your jets, junior, it's not THAT radically different"; but it just seems like we're seeing a band where everything is in perfect synch, and if you're going to see a band for the first time, it might as well be when they're at the top of their game (unlike when I finally got to see the Ozzy-fronted Sabbath, where it was great, but clearly they were on their last lap, or when I took my daughter to her first Kiss show and Paul was clearly struggling to hit the right notes). 

I've made it a point to try to get to the opening acts on the shows I see now (because I was looking back and realized I "saw" Radiohead, Garbage, and a couple other reasonably good size bands as openers and can't remember actually seeing a note of any of them) and even then, with Maiden, I could care less.  It's about that full two hours, no piss break, no beer break. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2019, 10:35:30 AM
As someone who has seen them over 10 times, I don't agree with that statement.  Even after so many times, this tour was something special in terms of that overall package. 

Just scan this thread and you won't find a single person who regretted catching this tour.

Having said that, I've never seen them in a stadium (just arenas).  Stadium shows kind of suck some of the life out when you are so far and there's so many people, but if that's your opportunity to see this, you should jump on it. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 07, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
As someone who has seen them over 10 times, I don't agree with that statement.  Even after so many times, this tour was something special in terms of that overall package. 

Just scan this thread and you won't find a single person who regretted catching this tour.

Having said that, I've never seen them in a stadium (just arenas).  Stadium shows kind of suck some of the life out when you are so far and there's so many people, but if that's your opportunity to see this, you should jump on it.
I get your point, and I don't disagree with it, but they also add a different sort of life. There's a really big difference between seeing a show with 18k people and one with 55k. There's a similar energy to club shows, despite the size, that seems absent in arenas. There's also an unusual aspect to them. A sort of uniqueness. We see arena gigs all the time. Hell, you see dozens a year. Stadium shows are a completely different sort of show, for better or for worse. Myself, I've never seen Maiden in a stadium, and that's a big part of the appeal of this tour to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 07, 2019, 12:01:12 PM
I, too, have never seen a concert in a stadium, and I'd love to debut with Iron Maiden. The problem is that for whatever reason they never seem to give a stadium - at least the one of Milan - to metal acts. Maiden or Metallica never played that stadium. More than anything, if I catch them next year I want to sit - last year I saw them in a flat open air arena and I didn't see anything, since I'm of average height so everyone is tall as me, or taller than me. This time I'd like to sit and SEE.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 07, 2019, 12:02:02 PM
As someone who has seen them over 10 times, I don't agree with that statement.  Even after so many times, this tour was something special in terms of that overall package. 

Well, I don't agree with it either - haha! - but I'm just saying I could SEE someone saying that.  I've seen them in almost all their incarnations (I missed the Blaze years, unfortunately), and I agree, there was something special about this show.  I've rarely felt the energy in the building that I felt during that performance of "Number of the Beast".  That was insane. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 07, 2019, 12:17:02 PM
I, too, have never seen a concert in a stadium, and I'd love to debut with Iron Maiden. The problem is that for whatever reason they never seem to give a stadium - at least the one of Milan - to metal acts. Maiden or Metallica never played that stadium. More than anything, if I catch them next year I want to sit - last year I saw them in a flat open air arena and I didn't see anything, since I'm of average height so everyone is tall as me, or taller than me. This time I'd like to sit and SEE.
I see your concern, but seated at a stadium show is a bummer. It's exactly the problem Cram was getting at. Stadium gigs are notoriously bad concerts, the sound is bad and you're too far to see, but they're great spectacles and for that you really have to be part of it.  If I were only going to see one show per tour it would absolutely be an arena gig. I've seen them twice on this tour, and if I were to see them a third time it would absolutely be a stadium show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2019, 12:30:14 PM
Yea, I like the idea of seeing it in different settings.  A big reason why I went the third time in CT last summer was for the outdoor amphitheater setting which I enjoy compared to the two arena gigs I had previously saw.  If I go to a stadium show, I'd rather be close on the floor or a close seat with a great view.

I only saw one stadium show, Metallica and Avenged Sevenfold.  I lucked out and a buddy of mine hooked me up with suite tickets.  Had a nice view but even then, it felt far away and even though packed, still felt empty in a way, as in the crowd in the seats is not quite as engaged as I would personally like.  I want to get into it and stadiums kind of make it difficult.  But if done right, you do get a great show.  That Metallica show was awesome and a great spectacle, but I think their arena gig I saw after was a bit more my style.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 07, 2019, 01:38:04 PM
Might have to check this tour.  Dunno if they'll ever get back to Australia again and the setlist is great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 07, 2019, 06:41:04 PM
Might have to check this tour.  Dunno if they'll ever get back to Australia again and the setlist is great.

Kade, you have to see this show. It's stunning really.


Never saw Maiden in my life and generally not a fan of stadium shows at all (too crowded and too expensive), but I'm really considering going to see them at least once.

You too Ruslan. Do not pass this up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 08, 2019, 04:16:39 AM
I think songs like SOTC, TC, FTGGOG makes this too good to pass up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2019, 06:33:34 AM
I think songs like SOTC, TC, FTGGOG makes this too good to pass up.

I told myself I was going to see the show just because of SOTC and it did not let me down; it wasn't the highlight of the show, but that's not because it wasn't good, it's because the show was just so solid it didn't really have a "highlight" per se.    I've been indifferent to AMOLAD over the years, but Bruce just elevated this song to something special.  I even liked Janick here; he peeled off a solo - standing on Bruce's monitors - that was eye-opening.  I've since gone back and revisited that record, and it's better than I remember (if not still a full meal in it's entirety). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on November 08, 2019, 06:41:27 AM
Alright, alright, I get it guys.

Tickets for Russian shows will go on sale on November 12th. Coincidentally, that's the day I receive my paycheck.

I think it's decided then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 08, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
I think Stads sold me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2019, 12:40:56 PM
I think songs like SOTC, TC, FTGGOG makes this too good to pass up.

I told myself I was going to see the show just because of SOTC and it did not let me down; it wasn't the highlight of the show, but that's not because it wasn't good, it's because the show was just so solid it didn't really have a "highlight" per se.    I've been indifferent to AMOLAD over the years, but Bruce just elevated this song to something special.  I even liked Janick here; he peeled off a solo - standing on Bruce's monitors - that was eye-opening.  I've since gone back and revisited that record, and it's better than I remember (if not still a full meal in it's entirety).

Agreed about there not being a "highlight" from this show because it was just a constant highlight.  Typically they had one centerpiece song in the set, usually the longer song like Rime, that had the big stage production and an epic feel to the performance.  This show had A LOT of those moments starting off the gate with the plane for Aces High.  I still think SOTC was the ultimate highlight of them all, but really could say any song in the set was the highlight of the night.  Even TNotB felt bigger and better than ever before and I've grown so sick of it live over the years. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2019, 12:49:40 PM
They even had BETWEEN SONG highlights.  I don't want to give too much away, but there's a transition about five, six songs in that is breathtaking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on November 08, 2019, 12:59:50 PM
They even had BETWEEN SONG highlights.  I don't want to give too much away, but there's a transition about five, six songs in that is breathtaking.
I really liked the thematic aspect of the show.  The first two thirds were somewhat theme specific, culminating with SotC. That was a great idea, and quite different from Maiden's typical greatest hits setlists.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 08, 2019, 01:01:44 PM
The Stained Glass motif was probably the most amazing stage I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2019, 01:04:38 PM
The Stained Glass motif was probably the most amazing stage I've ever seen.

Yea, I loved the religion themed part of the show, especially the show when I was up close.  You really felt like you were in a church of Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 08, 2019, 01:39:54 PM
The Stained Glass motif was probably the most amazing stage I've ever seen.

Yea, I loved the religion themed part of the show, especially the show when I was up close.  You really felt like you were in a church of Maiden.


Nice!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 14, 2019, 06:08:14 AM
1 ticket secured for Gothenburg 2020. I actually forgot the ticketsale started this morning, luckily for me there were still standing tickets left a couple of hours after salestart.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on November 14, 2019, 09:09:06 AM
Also just bought my ticket, about $120 with service fees which is a lot for a metal show in our country. I'm sure it'll be worth it though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 14, 2019, 09:13:24 AM
Also just bought my ticket, about $120 with service fees which is a lot for a metal show in our country. I'm sure it'll be worth it though.

It will be  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 14, 2019, 09:18:34 AM
1 ticket secured for Gothenburg 2020. I actually forgot the ticketsale started this morning, luckily for me there were still standing tickets left a couple of hours after salestart.  :)

Also just bought my ticket, about $120 with service fees which is a lot for a metal show in our country. I'm sure it'll be worth it though.

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 02:30:48 PM
British Lion are playing a 500 capacity venue in NYC in the winter.  Are they a band I should check out?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2019, 02:31:32 PM
British Lion are playing a 500 capacity venue in NYC in the winter.  Are they a band I should check out?

hell yeah! It's Steve Harris. Are there tour dates?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 02:35:04 PM
British Lion are playing a 500 capacity venue in NYC in the winter.  Are they a band I should check out?

hell yeah! It's Steve Harris. Are there tour dates?

Well, that's the only reason I can think of and it's not a bad one plus a small venue

Here's the list of dates:
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72357753_3158551734216858_5364218156166414336_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=S-EGq7YfvmYAQlsw8KQRr4xVbZn2Kqif6iyb5ueB7VAD6xK85XCOMQdfw&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=aeaa0d341413fc40c662093c6659dca1&oe=5E44FF05)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Damn, nothing up here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 02:48:49 PM
Damn, nothing up here.

You'd go to this?  Cause that's saying something if so
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2019, 02:50:22 PM
Seeing Steve Harris in a small club, hell yes. I'm a lifelong Maiden fan. Why would that be saying something? I saw Bruce in a tiny club. I like Steve more than I like Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2019, 02:54:15 PM
That itinerary just SMACKS of "More dates, TBD".  Not one LA date?  Not one date (other than the TX gigs) west of the Mississippi, even? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 02:55:42 PM
Seeing Steve Harris in a small club, hell yes. I'm a lifelong Maiden fan. Why would that be saying something? I saw Bruce in a tiny club. I like Steve more than I like Bruce.

because you wont see Def Leppard  :lol

But I don't know British Lion.  I'd see Bruce no questions asked because I love his solo music and he's a front man, not the bassist so it's a bigger draw for me as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2019, 02:57:46 PM
Steve Harris has integrity.


I'd go see Joe Elliot's Split Ends, or whateverthehell his band name is before I saw Def Leppard.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on November 20, 2019, 02:57:57 PM
I just might go see them in January, that venue is like less than 20 mins away from me. I checked out the new track they have online 'Spit Fire' and it sounds pretty good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
Steve Harris has integrity.


I'd go see Joe Elliot's Split Ends, or whateverthehell his band name is before I saw Def Leppard.

Which sounds to me exactly why I went to see Viv Campbell in front of 100 people a couple weeks ago.   I find watching incredibly talented, and experienced musicians in a really intimate setting is really interesting.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 03:06:11 PM
Steve Harris has integrity.


I'd go see Joe Elliot's Split Ends, or whateverthehell his band name is before I saw Def Leppard.

Which sounds to me exactly why I went to see Viv Campbell in front of 100 people a couple weeks ago.   I find watching incredibly talented, and experienced musicians in a really intimate setting is really interesting.

Oh thats pretty cool.  I don't know anything about either of their music outside DL though. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 20, 2019, 04:03:22 PM
Seeing Steve Harris in a small club, hell yes. I'm a lifelong Maiden fan. Why would that be saying something? I saw Bruce in a tiny club. I like Steve more than I like Bruce.

because you wont see Def Leppard  :lol

But I don't know British Lion.  I'd see Bruce no questions asked because I love his solo music and he's a front man, not the bassist so it's a bigger draw for me as well.

If I got free tickets to a Def Leppard concert or I had to pay $100 to see Steve's band play in a toilet, I would pick the latter every day of the week.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2019, 04:06:44 PM
 :lol

Gee, and I was wondering how to put it into words, but you pretty much nailed it. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 04:11:19 PM
Except for the idea that I just listened to british lion and its not that interesting.  It's not like I've never had Steve Harris point his bass at me though, I've seen Maiden up close many times now and even got on stage right next to Steve.  You guys are crazy for your distaste for DL.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 20, 2019, 04:17:41 PM
Except for the idea that I just listened to british lion and its not that interesting.  It's not like I've never had Steve Harris point his bass at me though, I've seen Maiden up close many times now and even got on stage right next to Steve.  You guys are crazy for your distaste for DL.

To me Def Leppard aren't that interesting either.  I don't think we can be called 'crazy' just for disliking a band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 04:28:57 PM
Except for the idea that I just listened to british lion and its not that interesting.  It's not like I've never had Steve Harris point his bass at me though, I've seen Maiden up close many times now and even got on stage right next to Steve.  You guys are crazy for your distaste for DL.

To me Def Leppard aren't that interesting either.  I don't think we can be called 'crazy' just for disliking a band.

Fair, TAC said he enjoys old DF.  I thought you had too and may have lumped you in unfairly.  But it had come off both you won't see them for reasons outside the enjoyment of their music that they play which was the "crazy" reference.  Like I said yesterday in another thread, it almost seems like a self punishment to not see a band who I can guarantee will give a good show because of "integrity"  or not liking their current music which is hardly played.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on November 20, 2019, 06:38:00 PM
Haven't listened to any Def Leppard post-Euphoria up to which I've enjoyed a lot. First exposure to DL was Hysteria and Pyromania which I played endlessly. When I dug back into their catalogue I was surprised by how different they sounded. I used to listen to them a lot and was debating checking them out live but their ticket prices were way too much.

I can see why people who started with them from the start didn't buy into their shift into more poppy accessible songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2019, 06:58:06 PM
Def Leppard's Pyromania tour was my first concert. Iron Maiden's Piece Of Mind tour was my second show. Saw both in the summer of 1983.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on November 20, 2019, 08:20:24 PM
Def Leppard's Pyromania tour was my first concert. Iron Maiden's Piece Of Mind tour was my second show. Saw both in the summer of 1983.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 21, 2019, 07:23:07 AM
Here's the thing about Def Leppard, though.  I got in with TAC.  My first time seeing them was the Pyromania tour as well (they KILLED it. I mean KILLED it.)  I'm a "High And Dry" guy all the way, though I do like the next two better than most (I actually like Hysteria better than Pyromania). 

But I saw them open for Kiss a couple years ago, and it's almost entirely a hits set at this point.  And here's the thing: it's GOOD.   They've been starting their shows by playing "Won't Get Fooled Again" by the Who, then finish the song themselves live, which is cool, and most of the Hysteria songs (the bulk of the set) are done really well.  It's five really good musicians playing fairly complicated material and yet it rocks.  No, I wouldn't pay $150 to see them, but if I got a $50 ticket from StubHub or something? There are worse nights out, let me tell you.   

Cram, I'm with you; British Lion does little for me.   It reminds me of bad ASAP (which was Adrian's gig after he left Maiden in... '88 or so).  If I go, it's purely to see Steve Harris in the toilet.  Erm... you know what I mean.

(And for the record, Vivian was playing the Dio material he did with... Dio.)

There is zero zoom on this.  It was actually awkward because he was eye level and only about a foot and a half away:
(https://i.imgur.com/glRI2JE.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 21, 2019, 07:31:12 AM
That's pretty cool

I paid $75 for my ticket to see Def Leppard and Journey last year.  I'm not dropping 150 either, not when they just play the same hits. I'd pay more for their Vegas shows which offered a lot more.  I'm curious how much the show with Motley Crue will cost.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 21, 2019, 08:38:14 PM
I'm curious how much the show with Motley Crue will cost.
It's gonna be FREE!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mick-mars-in-2014-interview-if-motley-crue-reunites-for-a-tour-i-will-invite-the-world-to-come-for-free/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 21, 2019, 08:41:14 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 22, 2019, 12:31:37 AM
I'm curious how much the show with Motley Crue will cost.
It's gonna be FREE!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mick-mars-in-2014-interview-if-motley-crue-reunites-for-a-tour-i-will-invite-the-world-to-come-for-free/

I'll still pass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 22, 2019, 12:46:12 AM
I'm curious how much the show with Motley Crue will cost.
It's gonna be FREE!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mick-mars-in-2014-interview-if-motley-crue-reunites-for-a-tour-i-will-invite-the-world-to-come-for-free/

I'll still pass.

I, too, will pass since we still got to pay for parking and I presume if this is indeed a tour with Def Leppard and Poison, we still technically got to pay to see those guys so it ain't free anyway.  Besides, Motley Crue went back on their word to retire and went back on their signed contract that they made all of this fuss about to ensure that they were serious about retiring and here we are now.  What makes you think free tickets is the actual comment that they will follow through to the end?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 22, 2019, 03:23:53 AM
I'm curious how much the show with Motley Crue will cost.
It's gonna be FREE!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mick-mars-in-2014-interview-if-motley-crue-reunites-for-a-tour-i-will-invite-the-world-to-come-for-free/

I'll still pass.

I, too, will pass since we still got to pay for parking and I presume if this is indeed a tour with Def Leppard and Poison, we still technically got to pay to see those guys so it ain't free anyway.  Besides, Motley Crue went back on their word to retire and went back on their signed contract that they made all of this fuss about to ensure that they were serious about retiring and here we are now.  What makes you think free tickets is the actual comment that they will follow through to the end?

I think the post from Scotty was sarcasm mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 22, 2019, 06:55:17 AM
Yea, there's no way Motley Crue would hold up to that, I mean, they ripped the contract to the fans and now want the money. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 22, 2019, 10:05:20 AM
Yea, there's no way Motley Crue would hold up to that, I mean, they ripped the contract to the fans and now want the money.

I just hope Mick Mars is capable to handle it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on December 03, 2019, 11:47:05 AM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 12:08:23 PM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.

I've been ripping my Maiden DVDs to audio to put on my network drive.  I did Maiden England a couple weeks ago, and the last week I've been working on Live After Death, both the main concert and the bonus materials (Rock in Rio, '85, clips from Poland and Hungary in '84, etc.).

Next up is The Early Years, which has part of that Hammersmith show, and I can't wait.  That whole period - from Number through, say, Powerslave - was just unreal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on December 03, 2019, 06:13:21 PM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.

Is there a full version on video?  I thought the only released video was the half a show from the Early Days set. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 06:23:40 PM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.

Is there a full version on video?  I thought the only released video was the half a show from the Early Days set.

Yes, plus one song (Sanctuary) from the 14 Wasted Years doc. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on December 03, 2019, 06:39:47 PM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.

Is there a full version on video?  I thought the only released video was the half a show from the Early Days set.

Yes, plus one song (Sanctuary) from the 14 Wasted Years doc.

Do you mean 12 Wasted Years?  That doesn't have the complete show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Wasted_Years
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 06:41:47 PM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.

Is there a full version on video?  I thought the only released video was the half a show from the Early Days set.

Yes, plus one song (Sanctuary) from the 14 Wasted Years doc.

Do you mean 12 Wasted Years?  That doesn't have the complete show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Wasted_Years

Yeah, 12 Wasted Years. It's just one song - Sanctuary - that I don't think is on the Early Days snippet.  I don't think there is a full show (unless there's a boot somewhere).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on December 03, 2019, 06:59:08 PM
Ah.  :tup

I got confused. 

As good as that show might be, I think just the fact that it's incomplete disqualifies it from beating out the Seattle Metallica show.
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Post by: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 07:49:29 PM
In case you care...

The Hammersmith show on CD is complete.

The Hammersmith show on DVD is all the Bruce songs, plus Murders In The Rue Morgue and Iron Maiden:
- Murders In The Rue Morgue
- Run To The Hills
- Children Of The Damned
- The Number Of The Beast
- 22 Acacia Avenue
- Total Eclipse
- The Prisoner
- Hallowed Be Thy Name
- Iron Maiden

When I saw them in '82 on the Beast On The Road tour (October, 1982, New Haven, CT) the set list was:
- Murders in the Rue Morgue
- Wrathchild
- Run to the Hills
- Children of the Damned
- The Number of the Beast
- 22 Acacia Avenue
- Hallowed Be Thy Name
- Iron Maiden
- Drifter

To be honest, I don't remember much other than the stage set (similar to the one on the Hammersmith vid), a lot of red lights, and Bruce's voice.  It WAS like an air raid siren.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2019, 07:50:38 PM
The Hammersmith show on CD from Eddie's Archive is fantastic. I'd love to see the full concert wind up on DVD at some point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 04, 2019, 08:14:36 AM
Bruce doing some acapella. I for one really enjoy Bruce being a bit more rock these days.  :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YPqutlKg
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 04, 2019, 08:18:12 AM
It's well-known now, but the two songs he does with Ian Anderson in the church are worth seeking out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on December 05, 2019, 08:05:31 AM
Did Maiden copy the intro riff of Riot's Swords and Tequilla in 2 Minutes to Midnight? What you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 05, 2019, 08:09:19 AM
Did Maiden copy the intro riff of Riot's Swords and Tequilla in 2 Minutes to Midnight? What you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM)


There’s about ten songs with the same riff.

Stand up and shout
Flash rocking man
Power and the glory
A White Spirit song

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2019, 08:15:49 AM
Certainly very similar, but not sure it's a copy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on December 05, 2019, 08:20:54 AM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.

Is there a full version on video?  I thought the only released video was the half a show from the Early Days set.

They had the whole show on Youtube.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 05, 2019, 10:41:46 AM
Did Maiden copy the intro riff of Riot's Swords and Tequilla in 2 Minutes to Midnight? What you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM)


There’s about ten songs with the same riff.

Stand up and shout
Flash rocking man
Power and the glory
A White Spirit song

I find Power and the Glory (assuming you're talking about Saxon) to be virtually indistinguishable from Dio's Stand up and Shout.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 05, 2019, 02:41:59 PM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.

Is there a full version on video?  I thought the only released video was the half a show from the Early Days set.

They had the whole show on Youtube.
Yea I remember that. Anyway, awesome concert. Clive's drumming is superb!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 05, 2019, 03:14:58 PM
Did Maiden copy the intro riff of Riot's Swords and Tequilla in 2 Minutes to Midnight? What you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM)


There’s about ten songs with the same riff.

Stand up and shout
Flash rocking man
Power and the glory
A White Spirit song

Written by Janick I believe.  Performed by Janick at least.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Max Kuehnau on December 05, 2019, 03:17:32 PM
I just watched Beast over Hammersmith for the first time in awhile and I'm pretty sure that's the greatest metal concert I've ever watched (edging out Metallica Live in Seattle). Bruce is ridiculous.

Is there a full version on video?  I thought the only released video was the half a show from the Early Days set.

They had the whole show on Youtube.
Yea I remember that. Anyway, awesome concert. Clive's drumming is superb!
one of my musician colleagues (a bassist and big fan of Maiden) always said to me that in his opinion, Clive was a metronome in human form. He loved him. (and I always played the earlier Maiden pieces with him, he could do a great Steve Harris impression, self-taught btw, I was amazed)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on December 05, 2019, 03:23:47 PM
Did Maiden copy the intro riff of Riot's Swords and Tequilla in 2 Minutes to Midnight? What you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM)


There’s about ten songs with the same riff.

Stand up and shout
Flash rocking man
Power and the glory
A White Spirit song

I find Power and the Glory (assuming you're talking about Saxon) to be virtually indistinguishable from Dio's Stand up and Shout.
I honestly never noticed that, and I'm a huge Saxon fan. Hell, PatG was a seminal album for me. Of course it pretty much is the same, but it sounds completely different to my ears. That's where I generally draw the distinction in these sorts of cases. Stealing the notes doesn't bother me. There are only so many ways to use them. Stealing the tone or the feel is where you run into a problem in my book. When this came up last year with Hallowed and Nomad, I didn't really have a problem with Hallowed. I certainly didn't find it to be a ripoff. Nomad was very definitely problematic, though, because it copied the sound, the feel, the style, the atmosphere, and used it pretty much the same way those first guys did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 11, 2019, 03:30:12 PM
Bruce sang a cappella also Chemical Wedding at one of his book shows  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7VenQCy6r4
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 11, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
Did Maiden copy the intro riff of Riot's Swords and Tequilla in 2 Minutes to Midnight? What you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM)


There’s about ten songs with the same riff.

Stand up and shout
Flash rocking man
Power and the glory
A White Spirit song

I find Power and the Glory (assuming you're talking about Saxon) to be virtually indistinguishable from Dio's Stand up and Shout.
I honestly never noticed that, and I'm a huge Saxon fan. Hell, PatG was a seminal album for me. Of course it pretty much is the same, ...

I've never not noticed it. It was one of my gripes when Powerslave was released. Other than the title track, I have always felt that album felt mailed in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 14, 2019, 02:07:40 PM
Don't wanna open this can of....but I just read this quote from 2015 which I haven't seen before:

Quote
Back in 2015, drummer Nicko McBrain told the 98.7 The Gater radio station that he would love to see MAIDEN's music reinterpreted in an orchestral setting.

"I'd like to see us do like what Jon Lord did years and years back with the London [Symphony Orchestra], when he played the [Royal] Albert Hall, is do IRON MAIDEN songs with an orchestra," Nicko said. "I'd love [to do it], because there's a lot of stuff there. 'Alexander The Great' is a track that everybody's been moaning [that] it's been never played live. I'd like to do things like that.
That Nicko acknowledge that fact makes me giddy.  :laugh: Just book an orchestra thank you very much and let's do dis!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 14, 2019, 06:39:58 PM
http://bravewords.com/news/bruce-dickinson-having-discussions-to-perform-iron-maidens-empire-of-the-clouds-with-orchestra
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 14, 2019, 07:20:07 PM
Man, an Iron Maiden show at a venue like the Royal Albert Hall in London with an orchestra playing stuff like Alexander the Great and Empire of the Clouds would be much hype.  I imagine ticket costs would be like at least twice as expensive as GA tickets are going for their regular shows now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 14, 2019, 07:21:43 PM
I really don't need an orchestra. Just play the songs.

Having an orchestra would be such a turn off.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 15, 2019, 02:43:36 AM
Said Bruce: “I did talk to the conductor Paul Nann, and we just very tentatively said; 'wouldn’t it be great if we could do something that might involve some Maiden songs, but only Maiden songs that are really appropriate for doing [with] an orchestra? ‘Empire Of The Clouds’ is one of them.' So yeah, you never know.”

Yeah, please. I'd love for Maiden to do a show with an orchestra, but more than that, to do it right. No need to hear 2 Minutes to Midnight exactly like it is, but with violins doubling the guitar riff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 15, 2019, 02:46:28 AM
I really don't need an orchestra. Just play the songs.

Having an orchestra would be such a turn off.

I think one of the reasons why Maiden is my all time favourite band is that they never ventured down the alley of doing things that other bands did.  Orchestras, cover albums, full album re-records, they just kept going doing their thing without following any trends.  They never did things that were classes as filler or buying time.  Ed Hunter maybe, but that was kind of cool and different.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 15, 2019, 06:21:17 AM
At this point, though, they might as well do a one-off show with an orchestra, because they actually have a good bunch of songs that would work fantastically with an orchestra, especially the newer stuff. Empire of the clouds, The Legacy and Journeyman seem like perfect candidates right away, and then they could adapt some older tracks like Prodigal son or Revelations. I am confident that some of their biggest hits could also work with an orchestra, especially Fear of the dark.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on December 15, 2019, 09:59:57 AM
Pachendale
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 15, 2019, 10:15:05 AM
Well, according to Bruce, any chances of him singing Iron Maiden songs with an orchestra would be him doing something outside of the band.

https://loudwire.com/bruce-dickinson-interested-iron-maiden-orchestral-adaptations/

Quote
However, when asked if Iron Maiden would be playing with an orchestra, Dickinson emphatically stated "no," adding that any such project would come to fruition outside of the group.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 15, 2019, 10:15:38 AM
I really don't need an orchestra. Just play the songs.

Having an orchestra would be such a turn off.

I think one of the reasons why Maiden is my all time favourite band is that they never ventured down the alley of doing things that other bands did.  Orchestras, cover albums, full album re-records, they just kept going doing their thing without following any trends.  They never did things that were classes as filler or buying time.  Ed Hunter maybe, but that was kind of cool and different.

True.  I'm kind of torn.  On one hand I'd love to see them do this because it would make for some cool live songs and maybe songs they haven't played before (Empire, Alexander).  On the other hand, exactly what you say.  IM has always done their own thing and haven't caved to whatever everyone else has done which playing with an orchestra kind of falls under.  I certainly won't be upset or mad if they do this though.  I'd imagine they could do it better than most have (topping S&M would be tough, but I think they could do it better than anyone else has).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 15, 2019, 10:19:11 AM
I think the fact that it’s Bruce in talks pretty much tells you how Steve feels about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 15, 2019, 01:45:42 PM
^^^ Not a bad point; I don't think Maiden farts without Steve's full buy in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 15, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
Just doesn't sound like something Steve would have any interest in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 15, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
Didn't Steve say before he wouldn't want to do this?  Or maybe it was Bruce who said he wouldn't  Either way, it's really not something IM would do IMO so letting Bruce do it on his own, which sounds like something he would do, seems like the best way to go about it.  I just hope that Bruce's backing band can do it justice if this happens. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 15, 2019, 03:07:01 PM
If he goes solo, he could sneak in some of his stuff as well. Can you imagine how majestic the ending of The Alchemist (again, his solo song, not the Maiden one) would sound with a full orchestra?  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 15, 2019, 03:12:21 PM
Yea, I'd really love for Bruce to do some solo shows again, with or without orchestra, but he definitely has his own songs that could work real well
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 29, 2019, 06:58:09 PM
In case anyone missed it, here's Steve Harris on Eddie Trunk from a few weeks back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03eCqUpgtRk&t=2528s

No major Maiden nuggets. He's promoting British Lion, but as usual, he is a great interview.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 08, 2020, 09:38:51 AM
I am working my way through the History of Iron Maiden documentaries.  Finished pt. 1.  This is a REALLY good series.  Perhaps the biggest takeaway for me is now having a bit of an appreciation for some of the songs on the first two albums that I didn't previously care for.  As many of you know from my posts here, I came VERY late to the Maiden party.  And I'm a bit selective about what I like from them, which consists almost entirely of the early classic lineup (NOTB through Somewhere in Time) and the reunion era (all of it).  I don't like the first two albums, the albums from the period from Seventh Son through Bruce's departure, or the Blaze era.  I mean, I have liked Bruce's performances of several of the songs from those albums.  But I don't like the albums themselves.  But I'm warming a bit to the first two albums now.  The documentary just put me in the right frame of mind to appreciate them, I guess. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: EPICVIEW on January 08, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
I am working my way through the History of Iron Maiden documentaries.  Finished pt. 1.  This is a REALLY good series.  Perhaps the biggest takeaway for me is now having a bit of an appreciation for some of the songs on the first two albums that I didn't previously care for.  As many of you know from my posts here, I came VERY late to the Maiden party.  And I'm a bit selective about what I like from them, which consists almost entirely of the early classic lineup (NOTB through Somewhere in Time) and the reunion era (all of it).  I don't like the first two albums, the albums from the period from Seventh Son through Bruce's departure, or the Blaze era.  I mean, I have liked Bruce's performances of several of the songs from those albums.  But I don't like the albums themselves.  But I'm warming a bit to the first two albums now.  The documentary just put me in the right frame of mind to appreciate them, I guess.

I saw them with Paul 3 times and to me that was Maiden  I liked them till Powerslave but after that my love of them has been luke warm,  Bruces voice is hit or miss with me ,  Im a Judas guy and saw JP since Hell Bent days and Rob is the KING  : )  Bruce tires me vocally and live, I mention JP because Maiden was the opener for many years and you mentioned the first 2 maiden albums, my fav Bruce Maiden CD is POM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 08, 2020, 09:51:42 AM
Early Days is by far the best documentary about Iron Maiden and their best non-musical official DVD. (Only the documentary for Flight 666 comes close)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2020, 09:57:21 AM
I only watched it once and found it kind of boring honestly.  The concert bonus footage is great and the doc is certainly very informative but just kind of drags for me.  F666 was non stop entertainment, but I guess they aren't really comparable.  One much more informative on the history and the other is a more inside look on a crazy tour.
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Post by: Stadler on January 08, 2020, 02:10:18 PM
I actually watched the docs on The Early Days, Live After Death, and Maiden England '88 (which is kind of an amalgamation of both). 

I loved them.  I thought it was really cool, and I was impressed with the degree to which there's not a ton of bad blood between the former members.  It's all sort of "Well, 'arry had his vision, dinnit he?"   I think the only one that was sort of still a bit taken aback was Clive Burr. 

By the way, if you played me a video of Derek Riggs without telling me who it is, I'd swear he has bones in his basement.  That laugh is just...   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2020, 02:15:04 PM
I still have teh Early Days somewhere on VHS, along with a lot of the other Maiden concerts.  I wore the fuck out of that tape.  Donington 92 and Maiden England also.  Yeah, Riggs is a strange character indeed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on January 16, 2020, 10:51:14 AM
Apparently Steve's new British Lion album is out tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Vea6oT3DEw8&feature=emb_title

Any thoughts? The singer sounds a bit weak to me, would be interesting to hear Bruce sing this one.
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Post by: nobloodyname on January 18, 2020, 01:48:02 PM
I thought British Lion's first album was poor, and had no intention of checking the new one out at all. But, on a whim, I did. And I have to say I am so pleased I did. It's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Just don't go into it expecting Bruce Dickinson on vocals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 18, 2020, 02:03:07 PM
I already liked the first and liked this one more. Still raw but better produced. I think their sound has their own personality, very much in 70’s, some 80’s European hard/heavy,  but with something unique. This band has a very nostalgic feel without copying anyone.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 18, 2020, 03:38:15 PM
Huh.  I thought the first one was decent without being brilliant.  Will definitely check the new one then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2020, 02:06:45 PM
Not a fan of the first one. Bo-ring.   But I'll give this one at least a listen, and I'm going to try to see them. Steve Harris + Small Club = Winner.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on January 19, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
No Canada date? Why??????
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on January 19, 2020, 07:20:36 PM
Haven't heard a note of their music, will go into the NYC show blind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 20, 2020, 04:27:14 PM
Excellent album, it’s like the first, but better, with more focus and sounding right. Whoever mixed/mastered this album should do the next Maiden album. The sound quality of this album seems something Maiden was trying to achieve with Kevin Shirley in the last 5 albums but never did it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 20, 2020, 04:50:41 PM
Just sampled the title track.  Sounds like the first which is fine.  Nice melodies, very Maiden obviously.  I can see what people are complaining about regarding the singer, but I don't really have that much of an issue with him truthfully.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 20, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
The mix in the first album didn’t help (also people always comparing him to Bruce). But his voice, although doesn’t have much power, has a lot of emotion and variation. I like it :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 25, 2020, 05:05:02 AM
The most random video ever and yes it's in the right thread.  :lol

FIE Grand Prix Doha Epee 2020 - Day One Report (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5KReNP7LLI&fbclid=IwAR2vrmBKv5NWZfP11clMT8sdSi-UKTZ0kymNhnYbCy-IClpYGpFlcR50Z30)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 01, 2020, 04:06:19 PM
Cool cover  :tup

Machine Head - Hallowed Be Thy Name (Iron Maiden's cover) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h23TqN--sG0&feature=emb_title)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 24, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Bruce Dickinson sings Wasting Love on Valentine Day, explaining the process behind singing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKtxzVb4qFU

It's like looking at Leonardo explaining what goes on in his head while he was painting  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 25, 2020, 05:05:43 AM
Brazilian Bruce: https://youtu.be/w_2Ew0eKDlM

His voice scares me!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on February 25, 2020, 11:15:35 AM
Brazilian Bruce: https://youtu.be/w_2Ew0eKDlM

His voice scares me!  :lol

That guy is great. Check out his Flight of Icarus cover: https://youtu.be/1BuSu36SDQQ

He’s not alone either - this guy is good as well: https://youtu.be/iQ0FNY2ojCM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 25, 2020, 08:42:32 PM
Brazilian Bruce: https://youtu.be/w_2Ew0eKDlM

His voice scares me!  :lol

This guy is awesome  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 12, 2020, 03:30:53 PM
I picked up the British Lion last weekend and I enjoyed the first one.  Going into the second, I didn't have any real expectations but man this is an awesome album.  Nothing new, but well written hard rock songs and teh whole thing sounds amazing and quite organic and even fresh.  Some great melodies and very consistent throughout.  The singer sounds a lot better here than the first album.  Good stuff.

I just wish Maiden albums would sound like this.  How can this have better sounding production than everything Maiden has done since DOD?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on March 12, 2020, 04:59:42 PM
I picked up the British Lion last weekend and I enjoyed the first one.  Going into the second, I didn't have any real expectations but man this is an awesome album.  Nothing new, but well written hard rock songs and teh whole thing sounds amazing and quite organic and even fresh.  Some great melodies and very consistent throughout.  The singer sounds a lot better here than the first album.  Good stuff.

I just wish Maiden albums would sound like this.  How can this have better sounding production than everything Maiden has done since DOD?
Man, I agree with all of this! I think The Burning's production is what Maiden is aiming with Kevin Shirley and missing the mark every time! I also think BNW has a too much clean production which makes the guitars sound too weak.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 12, 2020, 06:37:13 PM
I picked up the British Lion last weekend and I enjoyed the first one.  Going into the second, I didn't have any real expectations but man this is an awesome album.  Nothing new, but well written hard rock songs and teh whole thing sounds amazing and quite organic and even fresh.  Some great melodies and very consistent throughout.  The singer sounds a lot better here than the first album.  Good stuff.

I just wish Maiden albums would sound like this.  How can this have better sounding production than everything Maiden has done since DOD?
Man, I agree with all of this! I think The Burning's production is what Maiden is aiming with Kevin Shirley and missing the mark every time! I also think BNW has a too much clean production which makes the guitars sound too weak.

I will easily take BNW's production over the albums that came after but I know what you mean.  This British Lion is nice and clean but has a real nice crunch with the guitars and the layering is quite good.  If anything I'm surprised Steve's bass isn't louder.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2020, 07:59:20 PM
I'll have to give it a go then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 13, 2020, 07:11:37 AM
With the understanding that I don't share the complaints about the production of the Maiden records that most do, I wasn't blown away by the first British Lion.    Would I like the second one?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on March 13, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
With the understanding that I don't share the complaints about the production of the Maiden records that most do, I wasn't blown away by the first British Lion.    Would I like the second one?
I don't know... the production of British Lion's first album is horrible, it doesn't help. Although I don't like the productions of post 2000 Maiden's albums (from Powerslave to 7th Son are still my favourites), they aren't "objectively" bad IMO. To be fair, I think aMoLaD is almost really good. And I think everybody is liking more the last Bristish Lion's album than the first, no doubt.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 13, 2020, 02:16:45 PM
With the understanding that I don't share the complaints about the production of the Maiden records that most do, I wasn't blown away by the first British Lion.    Would I like the second one?

It's way more accessible than the first, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 20, 2020, 02:08:08 AM
Australia / New Zeleand tour postponed. By now these things fall into the "We were just waiting for the official announcement" category.

I wonder how Maiden's tightly planned machine will operate, say that the whole tour goes tits up, would they really do it in 2021 postponing of another year the new album? by many accounts, insider gossips and fans deductions (the band members being often in Paris where Kevin Shirley was working on a "not so secret project") the new album  is basically done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Bentower on March 20, 2020, 05:07:55 AM
I'm not holding my breath (for any amount of seconds) that I'm still getting to see them in early June. Being a festival gig it probably won't be re-scheduled either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 20, 2020, 05:50:37 AM
Australia / New Zeleand tour postponed. By now these things fall into the "We were just waiting for the official announcement" category.

I wonder how Maiden's tightly planned machine will operate, say that the whole tour goes tits up, would they really do it in 2021 postponing of another year the new album? by many accounts, insider gossips and fans deductions (the band members being often in Paris where Kevin Shirley was working on a "not so secret project") the new album  is basically done.

Yep.  Surprised both Maiden and DT took so long to pull the pin.  Sigh.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on March 20, 2020, 05:51:43 AM
I'm not holding my breath (for any amount of seconds) that I'm still getting to see them in early June. Being a festival gig it will probably not be re-scheduled either.

Yep, they're supposed to play here in July and I don't think it'll happen. Who knows though, we'll see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 31, 2020, 01:57:24 AM
You know who doesn't get enough credit? Clive Burr.

Listening to Killers and he's fucking excellent. So much energy, groove and fun. Playing along with all the riffs and twiddles and shit. Love Nicko but much prefer Burr's drumming. Different level, imo.

Onto NOTB now - the shiny, new Bruce AND Clive. Now wonder it's such a classic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2020, 04:44:07 AM
You know who doesn't get enough credit? Clive Burr.

Listening to Killers and he's fucking excellent. So much energy, groove and fun. Playing along with all the riffs and twiddles and shit. Love Nicko but much prefer Burr's drumming. Different level, imo.

Onto NOTB now - the shiny, new Bruce AND Clive. Now wonder it's such a classic.

Yeah Clive was special.

Clive >>> Nicko.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 31, 2020, 07:16:16 AM
I don't know; I just went through the entire catalogue ripping all my Maiden to hard drive, and collating the b-sides and what not... and I don't think it's really a fair comparison.   They're very different drummers.  While Clive helped light the torch, they did things after that they never would have been able to do with him.  Nicko is technically a superior drummer.    I know in one of the docs (The Early Days or 12 Wasted Years; there is some overlap) Bruce makes a comment to the effect that Clive was his "favorite" drummer, but he says it in a way that is more respectful than really an objective criticism (or a dig at Nicko).   Killers is one of, if not my favorite, Maiden records, so there's no beef there, and certainly, he was integral to the fire that was the Number... album cycle, but they elevated to the next level with Nicko.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 31, 2020, 07:57:19 AM
There's a lot of things synonymous with the "Maiden Style", and Nicko's drumming is one of them. Number Of The Beast is my favorite Maiden album, but they were still a developing band at that point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 03, 2020, 06:09:33 PM
Raphael Mendes is at it again.

The Edge Of Darkness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJW9GxlSNkc)

 :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 03, 2020, 06:26:21 PM
Raphael Mendes is at it again.

The Edge Of Darkness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJW9GxlSNkc)

He should do X Factor and Virtual XI in full, man... I'd totally download it and delete the original albums from my collection!

 :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 03, 2020, 06:31:12 PM
I agree. I'm glad it was an entire song and not some sort of medley. But even he can't fix the song. For some reason after the climax, Steve needlessly felt he needed another verse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 03, 2020, 06:48:33 PM
There's a lot of things synonymous with the "Maiden Style", and Nicko's drumming is one of them.

I agree with this. I like Clive's drumming a lot for those early records, and his style has a lot of personality, but Nicko was essential to the later development of the band.

Thinking about the comparison of these two, it stands out for me yet again how Maiden has had a wealth of really talented musicians who aren't flashy, but elevate the music in more subtle ways. I'd say that describes both Clive and Nick as drummers, and Adrian and Dave (and I would say Janick, though I know that's more controversial) as guitarists.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 03, 2020, 06:57:05 PM
I agree. I'm glad it was an entire song and not some sort of medley. But even he can't fix the song. For some reason after the climax, Steve needlessly felt he needed another verse.

Never thought that myself, but I see where you are coming from.  Going into the quiet outro after the 'genius must die' line would be quite cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 03, 2020, 07:18:45 PM
I agree. I'm glad it was an entire song and not some sort of medley. But even he can't fix the song. For some reason after the climax, Steve needlessly felt he needed another verse.

Never thought that myself, but I see where you are coming from.  Going into the quiet outro after the 'genius must die' line would be quite cool.

Exactly. Or even just end it with "The genius must die".

And that is one of the problems I've had with TXF in general.

I feel that Maiden were sitting on an absolute neutron bomb masterpiece of an album with TXF. But what they released, to me, was a demo version of it. The production fucking blows, to begin with, so there's that.  But this album really needed someone like Bruce, or Martin Birch, to get into Steve's head and offer some balance or levity. Eliminating a verse here and there, smoothing a transition here and there. Maybe eliminating a song or two. Taking out Judgement Of Heaven and adding Judgement Day, as this album was in desperate need of another ripper.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 03, 2020, 07:54:52 PM
I agree. I'm glad it was an entire song and not some sort of medley. But even he can't fix the song. For some reason after the climax, Steve needlessly felt he needed another verse.

Never thought that myself, but I see where you are coming from.  Going into the quiet outro after the 'genius must die' line would be quite cool.

Exactly. Or even just end it with "The genius must die".

I have to disagree on this one. In fact, I think that hearing Blaze belt out "Now I stand alone in darkness..." is one of the highlights of the album for me.

I do emphatically agree about the production, and there are some other songs that could probably use some tweaking. But at the same time, I think that this album is one of those that's rough and raw in a way that works. And I'd be worried that taking too heavy a hand to it might have ruined its strange brilliance. It was never going to be a commercial success, anyway. Far too dark, and Blaze was too sharp of a departure from Bruce.

Virtual XI is the real missed opportunity, I'd say. I love it, but the production is still awful in a way that doesn't even have thematic plausibility. And there is an absolute beast of a song inside The Angel and the Gambler that 'Arry just... botched.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on April 03, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
Raphael Mendes is at it again.

The Edge Of Darkness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJW9GxlSNkc)

 :omg:
Yeah, that didn't work at all. The song was definitely written to Blaze's strengths and not Bruce's.

As for the song itself, I have the exact opposite problem as TAC. It was a helluva narrative opportunity, and while I get that they couldn't flush it out without making it a 20 minute epic, they seemed to just abandon it, instead. You've got the slow build up to the mission, the solo representing the journey, and then the epilogue.  It didn't necessarily need another verse, but it needed something to flesh the story out better. And ditching the final verse, as has been suggested, would have been even worse. It would have been like ending EotC right after the R101 took off.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 03, 2020, 08:24:36 PM
Mission? Journey? We talking about the same song? :lol

The Edge Of Darkness must have one of the worst set of verses in their catalog. I mean, when it picks up it's fine, but that mid tempo verse is terrible. There was no need to bring it back. By the time it gets to the "genius must die" part, I had forgotten about them. There was no need to rehash it.


But I have no problem acknowledging there's a really awesome song in there somewhere, but to me, there's just something off about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 03, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
Everyone knows what I think of the album, I love it as it is, but Judgement Day is so good, it should have been on there.  Justice of the Peace could've been on there and to a lesser extent, I Live My Way.  Dunno if I could cut anything though.  I would have loved a double album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on April 03, 2020, 09:59:11 PM
Mission? Journey? We talking about the same song? :lol
Not sure if you're serious or not, but since it's always great advice I'll suggest it anyway. Watch the first 18 minutes of Apocalypse Now. The mission briefing is one of my favorite scenes in cinema. I like Jerry, the creepy civilian.

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The Edge Of Darkness must have one of the worst set of verses in their catalog. I mean, when it picks up it's fine, but that mid tempo verse is terrible. There was no need to bring it back. By the time it gets to the "genius must die" part, I had forgotten about them. There was no need to rehash it.
I agree with you about the verse structures, but my problem is that they try to shoe-horn in specific lines from the movie. It all seems awkward and forced. You think it's too long at 6.38. I think it needed more room to breathe. It was a great idea for a Maiden song, but they really didn't do it right. It was an instance where you either go big or go home, I think.
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Post by: TAC on April 04, 2020, 02:40:22 PM
Mission? Journey? We talking about the same song? :lol
Not sure if you're serious or not, but since it's always great advice I'll suggest it anyway. Watch the first 18 minutes of Apocalypse Now. The mission briefing is one of my favorite scenes in cinema.

I was half and half. ;D  Is that song about Apocalypse Now? I probably knew that at some point, but that'd be something I'd quickly discard anyway. I saw it once when I was younger, and frankly don't remember anything about it.


The Edge Of Darkness must have one of the worst set of verses in their catalog. I mean, when it picks up it's fine, but that mid tempo verse is terrible. There was no need to bring it back. By the time it gets to the "genius must die" part, I had forgotten about them. There was no need to rehash it.

I agree with you about the verse structures, but my problem is that they try to shoe-horn in specific lines from the movie. It all seems awkward and forced. You think it's too long at 6.38. I think it needed more room to breathe. It was a great idea for a Maiden song, but they really didn't do it right. It was an instance where you either go big or go home, I think.

I think it's a fabulous idea for a Maiden song. I'm not saying it's too short. I am saying that I don't like where the song went after the "genius must die" part. Going back into that horrible verse after such an epic part felt cringey to me. I'd understand if this was an early version of a working song, hence my demo comment, but there's such an awesome song here that simply never matures.

And that is generally how I feel about TXF as a whole.

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Post by: TAC on April 04, 2020, 02:52:34 PM
http://bravewords.com/news/covid-19-initiative-over-15-iron-maiden-related-books-available-for-free-download


I have a number of these already downloaded from a couple years ago. Seems they are posting them again. If you are in the bunker and are having a Maiden jones, I'd recommend them. These are simply not fanzine pamphlet type thingies. I have the No Prayer open on my computer and it's 257 pages, with tons of lateral background.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 04, 2020, 03:17:12 PM
There are some problems with The X Factor. The Edge of Darkness is not one of them. One of the best songs with Blaze. Wouldn't have been out of place on A Matter of Lide and Death.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on April 04, 2020, 04:26:11 PM
Watch the first 18 minutes of Apocalypse Now. The mission briefing is one of my favorite scenes in cinema. I like Jerry, the creepy civilian.

Mine too. The way the General lays out the reasoning for the mission, the look on Willard's face when he realizes what he is being tasked with. And yes, Jerry, the non-actor in a field of established actors, with one of the most memorable 4-word lines in film history.

...my problem is that they try to shoe-horn in specific lines from the movie. It all seems awkward and forced.

100% my assessment as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 05, 2020, 02:38:18 AM
I've never seen the issue with the verses in The Edge of darkness. They build up towards the energetic sections very well and also serve the purpose of cooling things down for the outro. Had they been more complex in terms of chord progression or vocal melody, maybe they wouldn't have worked as well.

But the middle section is where it's at.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2020, 03:18:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2UMtJDXyxI

Blood Brothers cover by United Symphony, an italian act.

I'm not convinced about the male vocals but all in all it's a good one (and they did it to encourage donations to the Red Cross). I can see Iron Maiden bringing it back in future sets, when concerts will be safe to attend again it's the most adapt song in their catalog to celebrate the togetherness of concert goers and Maiden fans.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2020, 07:27:13 AM
Listened to Book Of Souls - The Live Chapter this weekend.  Brought back some great memories.  I'll go back to that one, for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 07, 2020, 09:58:39 AM
The quarantine is getting to Raphael Mendes, he's running out of songs to sing  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS389S5-YQM
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Post by: bosk1 on April 07, 2020, 10:37:49 AM
Wanted some different music in my work from home "office" this morning, so went to Pandora and started an Iron Maiden station.  Very first song that kicked it off:  Rime.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on April 07, 2020, 11:42:19 AM
Listened to disc 1 of Book of Souls recently, thought "Damn that is one fine album." Couple days later listened to disc 2 and thought "Damn that is one fine album." Like my brain was convinced they were two separate but equally awesome albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on April 07, 2020, 04:17:56 PM
The quarantine is getting to Raphael Mendes, he's running out of songs to sing  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS389S5-YQM

It's like karaoke night at the local bar.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 08, 2020, 10:54:31 AM
Listened to disc 1 of Book of Souls recently, thought "Damn that is one fine album." Couple days later listened to disc 2 and thought "Damn that is one fine album." Like my brain was convinced they were two separate but equally awesome albums.

I know I’m in the minority but I strongly prefer Side 2. Throw Speed of Light on there and I’d be good to go.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Northern Lion on April 08, 2020, 12:24:02 PM
Listened to disc 1 of Book of Souls recently, thought "Damn that is one fine album." Couple days later listened to disc 2 and thought "Damn that is one fine album." Like my brain was convinced they were two separate but equally awesome albums.

I agree.  The Book of Souls is a master work imho.  I don't see much to dislike.

I also like how they've gone more prog since Dickinson and Smith rejoined.  In fact, it's my favorite era of the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 08, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
Listened to disc 1 of Book of Souls recently, thought "Damn that is one fine album." Couple days later listened to disc 2 and thought "Damn that is one fine album." Like my brain was convinced they were two separate but equally awesome albums.

I know I’m in the minority but I strongly prefer Side 2. Throw Speed of Light on there and I’d be good to go.

The first disc has the title track and If Eternity Should Fail and THAT's the song you'd take from it? uh well, always nice to see that there's some love for potentially any song on the album  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 09, 2020, 06:10:30 AM
Listened to disc 1 of Book of Souls recently, thought "Damn that is one fine album." Couple days later listened to disc 2 and thought "Damn that is one fine album." Like my brain was convinced they were two separate but equally awesome albums.

I know I’m in the minority but I strongly prefer Side 2. Throw Speed of Light on there and I’d be good to go.

The first disc has the title track and If Eternity Should Fail and THAT's the song you'd take from it? uh well, always nice to see that there's some love for potentially any song on the album  :D

?   Speed of Light is my favorite song on the record, and it's probably not close.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 14, 2020, 06:34:12 AM
40 years ago the debut album was released, and the legend officially began!  :metal

Happy 40th birhday to Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free, Phantom of the Opera, Transylvania, Strange World, Charlotte the Harlot and IRON MAIDEN, 40 years and counting of gonna get you and kicking ass!!!  :hefdaddy
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2020, 06:59:17 AM
40 years ago the debut album was released, and the legend officially began!  :metal

Happy 40th birhday to Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free, Phantom of the Opera, Transylvania, Strange World, Charlotte the Harlot and IRON MAIDEN, 40 years and counting of gonna get you and kicking ass!!!  :hefdaddy

One of the finest debut albums ever made! :metal I'll have to listen to it again in a bit in celebration!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 16, 2020, 12:40:46 AM
40 years ago the debut album was released, and the legend officially began!  :metal

Happy 40th birhday to Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free, Phantom of the Opera, Transylvania, Strange World, Charlotte the Harlot and IRON MAIDEN, 40 years and counting of gonna get you and kicking ass!!!  :hefdaddy
:metal I still love that album so much!


He's at it again: https://youtu.be/Gv17SgfQ3fs

That's the best one so far I think, it's so creepy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 16, 2020, 07:22:15 AM
40 years ago the debut album was released, and the legend officially began!  :metal

Happy 40th birhday to Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free, Phantom of the Opera, Transylvania, Strange World, Charlotte the Harlot and IRON MAIDEN, 40 years and counting of gonna get you and kicking ass!!!  :hefdaddy
:metal I still love that album so much!


He's at it again: https://youtu.be/Gv17SgfQ3fs

That's the best one so far I think, it's so creepy.

What's creepy is that one eye that periodically looks out at the camera from behind the microphone screen.   ;) 
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Post by: pg1067 on April 16, 2020, 10:55:22 AM
40 years ago the debut album was released, and the legend officially began!  :metal

Happy 40th birhday to Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free, Phantom of the Opera, Transylvania, Strange World, Charlotte the Harlot and IRON MAIDEN, 40 years and counting of gonna get you and kicking ass!!!  :hefdaddy
:metal I still love that album so much!


He's at it again: https://youtu.be/Gv17SgfQ3fs

That's the best one so far I think, it's so creepy.

What's creepy is that one eye that periodically looks out at the camera from behind the microphone screen.   ;)

I'm trying to figure out how the heck the bass player plays like that with those rings on!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2020, 04:21:26 PM
I had Rock in Rio 1985 on in the background while working today, and was wondering whether anyone knows what is going on with Bruce talking constantly during non-singing parts of Hallowed.  He has his head down and is just talking away, but I have no idea what he is saying.  He does similar things in other parts of the show as well.  Any that are more familiar have any idea?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 18, 2020, 03:10:44 AM
I've actually seen him do this in recent years in the concerts I attended. I had the impression he warms up his voice for the higher sections. You can see him do it prior to "When the priest comes to read me the last rites" and "As the guards march me out to the courtyard", which makes me think he's getting ready for the parts that are difficult to sing. I am not sure that is what you mean, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 18, 2020, 09:28:25 AM
40 years ago the debut album was released, and the legend officially began!  :metal

Happy 40th birhday to Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free, Phantom of the Opera, Transylvania, Strange World, Charlotte the Harlot and IRON MAIDEN, 40 years and counting of gonna get you and kicking ass!!!  :hefdaddy

Amazing debut. Several all-time classics and you can still make a legit argument for Phantom being the best song they ever wrote, not to mention one of the greatest metal songs ever. No plagiarism claims against that one!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 05, 2020, 11:19:41 AM
Iron Maiden x The Killer Krew - Aces High (Lockdown Version) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjfcDOdXfr8)

This is brilliant!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2020, 03:25:07 PM
The way they seem to treat their crew is really special. They always make sure they are part of the spotlight.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on May 05, 2020, 05:32:33 PM
Way better edited than the last few live Maiden DVDs  :)

Very enjoyable video. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 05, 2020, 05:35:16 PM
Way better edited than the last few live Maiden DVDs  :)

Very enjoyable video. Thanks for posting.

Say what? You mean it wasn't filmed in Seizure-Vision?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on May 05, 2020, 05:47:57 PM
Way better edited than the last few live Maiden DVDs  :)

Very enjoyable video. Thanks for posting.

Say what? You mean it wasn't filmed in Seizure-Vision?

Yep! :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 06, 2020, 02:06:53 AM
Iron Maiden x The Killer Krew - Aces High (Lockdown Version) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjfcDOdXfr8)

This is brilliant!  :lol

Haha! Loved Pyro Guy!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2020, 07:45:34 PM
Raphael doing Virus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpIIAm0G1ho)
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Post by: jjrock88 on May 06, 2020, 07:52:51 PM
Raphael is awesome  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on May 07, 2020, 06:31:12 AM
That cover of Virus is amazing!   I'm glad that Blaze still plays the song at least.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2020, 08:09:36 AM
From their facebook page

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Legacy of the Beast Touring Update 2020/21

I hope you and your loved ones are staying safe and well, wherever you may be, and my continued thanks to you all for bearing with us so patiently.

Due to the continuing health issues Worldwide around Covid-19 we regretfully inform you that Iron Maiden will now not be playing any concerts until June 2021.

However, we are now in a position to give you details of our touring plans in respect to those shows we had hoped to play this year.

Firstly, we are very pleased to tell you that we’ve managed to reschedule all our European own-shows on the Legacy Of The Beast tour for June/July 2021 with the exception of Moscow, St Petersburg, Weert and Zurich which unfortunately we have been unable to re-arrange in this period.

To consolidate the tour routing, as you can see, we have added 2 further shows in Arnhem and Antwerp.

We are in the process of inviting back all the Special Guests and supports who were due to play with us this year. Where any band is unable to commit to this due to their own rescheduling situations, we will look at finding other suitable acts of equivalent stature. The majority are already confirmed and can be found on the tour page at IronMaiden.com.

Re-arranging the headline Festival dates has unfortunately not been possible. This is mainly because we already had an extremely busy year lined up for 2021 and, as I’m sure you can imagine, a great deal of forward planning has already gone on and there’s only so much we can do within the timeline and logistics already in place. The band enjoy playing at Festivals so please be assured we will get back to as many of these as we can at another time.

In respect of what should have been the opening leg of the 2020 tour starting on May 1 in Perth, Australia and visiting New Zealand, the Philippines, Japan, Dubai and Israel, we are currently working on a possible return to as many of these countries as we can, in some guise, in the first half of 2022, more news on that will follow at the appropriate time.

The band are all fine and send you guys their best wishes, they are very much looking forward to getting back on stage next year and seeing you all so, please, continue to take care of yourselves and stay SMART.

Rod

The 2021 schedule is:

JUNE 2021
Fri 11 - POL, Warsaw PGE Narodowy
Sun 13 - GER, Bremen Bürgerweide
Tue 15 - CZE, Prague Sinobo Stadium
Wed 16 - AUT, Wiener Neustadt Stadium Open Air
Sat 19 - SPA, Barcelona Olympic Stadium
Mon 21 - POR, Lisbon Estadio Nacional
Thu 24 - ITA, Bologna Sonic Park
Sat 26 - GER, Stuttgart Mercedes-Benz Arena
Sun 27 - BEL, Antwerps Sportpaleis
Wed 30 - GER, Berlin Waldbühne

JULY 2021
Sat 3 - SWE, Gothenburg Ullevi Stadium
Thu 8 - GER, Cologne Rhein-Energie-Stadium
Sat 10 - HOL, Arnhem GelreDome
Sun 11 - FRA, Paris La Defense Arena, Paris

I won't lie, I was hoping they'd scrap the last leg of Legacy of the Beast and move on, now it seems we won't get the new tour until 2022... so far away
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2020, 09:02:21 AM
File this under the "We were only waiting for the official announcement" category.

I agree too that they should have found room for some OZ dates and then retire the LoTB tour - Europe and America already have seen it. They're gonna waste one year for a greatest hits tour that the vast majority of their fans have already seen.

I know they're stuck between a rock and a hard place and probably they had contracts as well - I don't know if promoters paid for an "Iron Maiden concert" or an "Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast full production with pyros, planes and cathedrals", and so Maiden are obliged to play what they agreed to play.

I'll cut them some slack because they're trying to make the best of an impossible situation, but count me into the "Oh just release the new album - which is probably ready anyway - already" camp.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Yea, I'm sure there's lots of business decisions about doing that tour still, but as a fan of the band and being selfish for having seen the tour... I want the band to move on. 
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Post by: Stadler on May 07, 2020, 09:51:26 AM
I've been mooting a trip to Slovakia/Poland/Czech Republic (a sort of "Ancestry" tour, so to speak) and it's looking like June might be a good time to do that.  Maiden is NUMBER ONE of bands I'd love to see in Europe at this point (it used to be Genesis). 
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Post by: wolfking on May 08, 2020, 05:06:59 AM
Would this postpone the new album?

Annoying that they didn't reschedule the Australian dates.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 10, 2020, 01:29:45 AM
You know there were those sightings of the band in Paris and whatnot a while back. Was this ever confirmed as a new album? Is there one?

Yeah, I'm in the "release some new stuff camp". I'm in the do anything camp at this point. Some remote acoustic thing? It's been a long time since TBOS. I know touring is getting physically in front of people but the recorded work touches all the fans.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2020, 02:37:03 AM
You know there were those sightings of the band in Paris and whatnot a while back. Was this ever confirmed as a new album? Is there one?

There was that, and those sightings were happening by the time Kevin Shirley, their producer, was posting online about working on a "not-so-secret project", and last year Bruce was hinting that new music was coming.

Knowing their habits, it was only obvious that this year would have been the last leg of the Legacy of the Beast tour, and that 2021 would have been dedicated to a new album.

There's not a definitive and conclusive proof that the album is actually recorded in some shape or form, or ready for release in a month or two if only they wanted to, but something was definitively brewing in the new album department.
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Post by: DoctorAction on May 10, 2020, 05:47:23 AM
Thanks, man.

If they did record a new record in 2019 and may theoretically have released it late this year after LOtB dates, pushing everything back a year due to covid would push it to late 2021 and that would mean sitting on an album for two years. Seems a bit long. Let's hope they think so too and give us all a massive surprise.  ;D We'll see.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2020, 04:47:59 PM
Thanks, man.

If they did record a new record in 2019 and may theoretically have released it late this year after LOtB dates, pushing everything back a year due to covid would push it to late 2021 and that would mean sitting on an album for two years. Seems a bit long. Let's hope they think so too and give us all a massive surprise.  ;D We'll see.

Yea, a very long time to sit on an album.  I've not been a big fan of their plans once all those rumors were circling.  Like just do what every band does, finish your tour and relase the album and move on.  Not do the same tour again for a 3rd year.... but now it's just dragging.  Legacy of the Beast may have been thier biggest production yet, and I know those fans in countries that hadn't gotten the tour do deserve their chance to see it, but the rest of the world is waiting while the band ages.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 11, 2020, 12:09:56 PM
And now, something different and romantic: Violin(s) cover of Wasting Love!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PujAdOtA6pk
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on May 13, 2020, 10:13:17 AM
Question for the Maiden fans. From their entire discography, which single album (1 only) do you think has aged the best?
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Post by: faizoff on May 13, 2020, 10:24:59 AM
Question for the Maiden fans. From their entire discography, which single album (1 only) do you think has aged the best?

I did a double-take when I realized Brave New World is going to be 20 years old this month. That album has aged masterfully IMO. The early ones from the 80s too are gems and still hold quite well, in particular Piece of Mind.
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Post by: 425 on May 13, 2020, 10:32:42 AM
I think the obvious answer here (assuming I understand the question correctly) is The X Factor. That was not a popular album when it came out, and I imagine at the time many people perceived it as a blip on the band's fade into obscurity. The two albums before it were a clear step down from the 80s material, Bruce was gone, Adrian had been gone, the production was flat and the new singer was a bit of an odd fit.

But I think when you look back at The X Factor 25 years on, I think it's the album you have to point out as the beginning of the prog Iron Maiden of the reunion era, and when you listen to it without worrying that you'll never hear the band with Bruce and Adrian again, or that all their future music will forever be this dark and depressing, there is actually a ton of great material on there.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
Question for the Maiden fans. From their entire discography, which single album (1 only) do you think has aged the best?

Tie between Piece of Mind and Number of the Beast for me; gun to head I'm giving it to Number. Still sounds amazing, doesn't sound dated, has some of Maiden's (and metal's) most legendary songs. Contrary to 425's surprising pick, I don't think the Blaze albums have aged well at all.

Brave New World is a contender as well, I think that's my favorite Maiden record of the last 20 years and it still sounds wonderful.
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Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2020, 10:39:03 AM
Powerslave.   Not saying it's the best (though top two) or my favorite (that's Killers), but you place it anywhere in the catalogue and it fits, in my opinion. 
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2020, 10:40:49 AM
^^ My man. Killers is easily one of Maiden's best albums imo :hifive:
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Post by: 425 on May 13, 2020, 11:26:39 AM
I'm part of that minority that doesn't get the Killers fascination at all. Outside of a few songs (Murders, Wrathchild, title track), it kind of just feels like outtakes from the debut. I'd only put it ahead of Fear of the Dark, probably.
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 13, 2020, 11:35:53 AM
I'm part of that minority that doesn't get the Killers fascination at all.

Me too.

The album I think that has aged the best might be the debut!
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Post by: Lupton on May 13, 2020, 11:58:05 AM
Sometimes I'll put on Killers just to listen to Genghis Khan. It's got to be one of my favorite tunes from Maiden.
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Post by: Indiscipline on May 13, 2020, 12:00:01 PM
Killers is amazing, and Prodigal Son makes my Top 10 IM songs.

Not sure I'm understanding what "aging well" refers to. Songwriting? Production?
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Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2020, 12:01:13 PM
I'm part of that minority that doesn't get the Killers fascination at all. Outside of a few songs (Murders, Wrathchild, title track), it kind of just feels like outtakes from the debut. I'd only put it ahead of Fear of the Dark, probably.

I don't say this to be snarky, but to explain that fascination; while I like the sound of the first album in a "it's a first album" sort of way (same as the first Twisted Sister and Motley Crue albums) I always view the FIRST album as the demos for the KILLERS.  I think the elements of the first album were honed and brought to maturity on the second.   There's nothing as epic as "Phantom Of The Opera", but everything else is there.  And "Another Life" is a standout (that was written around the time of the material on the first album, and was played live before Killers was recorded, if memory serves.)
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Post by: Lupton on May 13, 2020, 12:01:32 PM
Killers is amazing, and Prodigal Son makes my Top 10 IM songs.

That's the one about the Lamia right? Always wondered if the Genesis influence was showing there or if that was just happenstance.
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Post by: Northern Lion on May 13, 2020, 12:05:45 PM
Their 80's albums are awsome for sure, and I still listen to them regularly, but my favorite Maiden album is Brave New World.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2020, 12:12:38 PM
It's lovely hearing some extra love for the debut and Killers. I always had a thing for the early punky Maiden. The same goes for Metallica and Kill 'Em All.
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Post by: Lupton on May 13, 2020, 12:13:57 PM
^^^  :tup

Also wanted to mention regarding Killers is DiAnno's vocal approach really comes to fruition on this record. He's screaming/yelling/singing all at the same time! I don't even know why it works, as I would guess that "technically" some of the stuff he's doing is off/wrong. But it sounds awesome! The "operatic" approach Dickenson would use seems much more commonplace in comparison.
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Post by: devieira73 on May 13, 2020, 12:16:18 PM
Speaking of 80’s Maiden, the band also did awesome covers and, the majority of them, much close to the original versions. Today I listened to That Girl and realised I never heard FM’s original version. Holy s..., Maiden totally rearranged the song, in a great way!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 13, 2020, 12:23:56 PM
I don't say this to be snarky, but to explain that fascination; while I like the sound of the first album in a "it's a first album" sort of way (same as the first Twisted Sister and Motley Crue albums) I always view the FIRST album as the demos for the KILLERS.  I think the elements of the first album were honed and brought to maturity on the second.   

Interesting analysis, I now want to listen to it with this in mind. I don't agree with it, but maybe I will feel differently after a fresh listen. Though it won't change my ranking Killers well below the debut.   
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 13, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
Not sure I'm understanding what "aging well" refers to. Songwriting? Production?

Yeah, I find it hard to answer because I find all Maiden albums having a top notch production, or at the very least a specific one which is not tied to the time the album was made. Ok, No Prayer and X Factor are a disaster sound wise but more generally, go listen to the Judas Priest albums of the '80s... it's painfully obvious they're from that decade. I never, ever got that "yeah ok, it's good but listen how evident it is that this album was made in 198x" sensation listening to Piece of Mind, Powerslave or Seventh Son. Even Wasted Years, in an album with synths, sound timeless.

I'd say that all Maiden albums have aged well in that regard.
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Post by: Lupton on May 13, 2020, 12:32:37 PM
Well the production of Somewhere in Time hurts my ears. But the songs are great.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2020, 12:34:18 PM
Prodigal Son is an all-time great Maiden tune imo. :2metal:
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Post by: Bentower on May 13, 2020, 12:41:31 PM
Martin Birch's natural-sounding production on the '80's albums is very close to a gold standard as far as traditional heavy metal is concerned. I reckon Powerslave is the most timeless in that regard.
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Post by: Indiscipline on May 13, 2020, 12:53:44 PM
If we're talking production, despite not being one of my favourite IM albums, I'm tempted to say Fear of the Dark.
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Post by: 425 on May 13, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
I'm part of that minority that doesn't get the Killers fascination at all. Outside of a few songs (Murders, Wrathchild, title track), it kind of just feels like outtakes from the debut. I'd only put it ahead of Fear of the Dark, probably.

I don't say this to be snarky, but to explain that fascination; while I like the sound of the first album in a "it's a first album" sort of way (same as the first Twisted Sister and Motley Crue albums) I always view the FIRST album as the demos for the KILLERS.  I think the elements of the first album were honed and brought to maturity on the second.   There's nothing as epic as "Phantom Of The Opera", but everything else is there.  And "Another Life" is a standout (that was written around the time of the material on the first album, and was played live before Killers was recorded, if memory serves.)

Don't worry, I didn't take it as snarky. I suppose the "demo for Killers" versus "leftovers from the debut" are kind of natural perspectives depending on which album a person happens to prefer.

I will concede that Killers has one thing going for it: Adrian Smith. But on the whole, I much prefer the epic side of Iron Maiden to the rough, rock side, so the debut is the clear winner for me, between Phantom of the Opera and Remember Tomorrow.


On the topic of production, I think the Martin Birch albums are excellent in that regard, but really only the Martin Birch albums. The debut is only okay, the Blaze-era albums are terribly produced, and the Shirley albums range from adequate (BNW) to poor (DoD).
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 13, 2020, 03:04:48 PM
I'm on Iron Maiden > Killers camp as well.

The debut was not a band starting out. It was the culmination of 4 years of playing, doing early tours, Steve Harris having to find members who could fit the vision he had, learning the craft, going through the grind. There was no "put your song on YouTube and it becomes a hit" back then, they had to do the work, the gigs, the word of mouth, taking around the cassettes, all of that. The debut album was four years in the making, and it was nearly a greatest hits of all the songs that came to be in that period of time. Killers had to be done in a much shorter time frame, and while there's nothing specifically bad on it (hey, Adrian Smith is on there, for starters), I don't think it holds up to the predecessor. Also, Paul Di'Anno could take the band any further and it was the right to make a change, and boy what a change it was.
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Post by: Podaar on May 13, 2020, 03:52:58 PM
I am a huge Killers fan, but I like Iron Maiden nearly as well. As to the question of what has held up, for me it's Seventh Son.
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Post by: max_security on May 13, 2020, 07:08:40 PM
I like Killers over ( self titled ). Murders In The Rue Morgue and Killers are two of my favorite tracks. IM has Phantom Of The Opera and nothing else really significant.

Killers on it's own was such a cool album at the time ( speaking from my experience in the Washington , DC area in the early 1980's ). Any aspiring metal musician at the time was interested about  this album. I think that the guitar parts being interesting and thought out just appealed to young musicians at the time. And Clive Burr was like the Mike Portnoy of modern times. Every drummer I knew wanted to play these songs ( Wrathchild , Killers , Rue Morgue ). Usually the rest of the band was more able to pull of some tunes from Priest British Steel ( Living After - Breaking Law were popular high school metal band tunes ). But while jamming on the Priest tunes everyone was wishing they could play the tunes from Killers.   
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Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2020, 07:27:07 PM
Speaking of 80’s Maiden, the band also did awesome covers and, the majority of them, much close to the original versions. Today I listened to That Girl and realised I never heard FM’s original version. Holy s..., Maiden totally rearranged the song, in a great way!

Such a unique story behind that song with both bands performing it.  I think I prefer FM's version though.

Reach Out is an amazing song too.
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Post by: Dream Team on May 14, 2020, 06:32:57 AM
I think the obvious answer here (assuming I understand the question correctly) is The X Factor. That was not a popular album when it came out, and I imagine at the time many people perceived it as a blip on the band's fade into obscurity. The two albums before it were a clear step down from the 80s material, Bruce was gone, Adrian had been gone, the production was flat and the new singer was a bit of an odd fit.

But I think when you look back at The X Factor 25 years on, I think it's the album you have to point out as the beginning of the prog Iron Maiden of the reunion era, and when you listen to it without worrying that you'll never hear the band with Bruce and Adrian again, or that all their future music will forever be this dark and depressing, there is actually a ton of great material on there.

Boring slow intro and outro on every song does not necessarily = proggy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on May 14, 2020, 08:21:48 AM
I am a huge Killers fan, but I like Iron Maiden nearly as well. As to the question of what has held up, for me it's Seventh Son.

That's my choice as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 14, 2020, 09:03:33 AM
I'm on Iron Maiden > Killers camp as well.

The debut was not a band starting out. It was the culmination of 4 years of playing, doing early tours, Steve Harris having to find members who could fit the vision he had, learning the craft, going through the grind. There was no "put your song on YouTube and it becomes a hit" back then, they had to do the work, the gigs, the word of mouth, taking around the cassettes, all of that. The debut album was four years in the making, and it was nearly a greatest hits of all the songs that came to be in that period of time. Killers had to be done in a much shorter time frame, and while there's nothing specifically bad on it (hey, Adrian Smith is on there, for starters), I don't think it holds up to the predecessor. Also, Paul Di'Anno could take the band any further and it was the right to make a change, and boy what a change it was.

I think you're right about the songs, but I don't think you're right in the way that, say, Boston or Appetite For Destruction are first albums.   They may have honed the songs, but they were still learning the ropes in translating that live energy to disk.  I DO actually view the first album as a rough rock record (to steal 425's phrasing).  They weren't using THEIR producer, they were using the guy from the record company, and remember, the record company was still trying to get them to cut their hair and be more "punk".   That first record is, musically, almost a punk record.  I think the second album was a way to get not just the songs (many of which had as much stage time as some of the ones on the first record) right but also the "Maiden sound". 

By way of example, there's far less difference between the Soundhouse Tapes/Metal For Muthas versions of "Iron Maiden", "Prowler" and "Sanctuary" and the versions on the first album*, and "Wrathschild" and the version that appears on the second album.


* Yes, I know "Sanctuary" was originally a single and only later tacked on to the US and world versions of the record.  I have that original 12" single with Maggie on the cover.
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Post by: pg1067 on May 14, 2020, 10:12:43 AM
I like Killers over ( self titled ). Murders In The Rue Morgue and Killers are two of my favorite tracks. IM has Phantom Of The Opera and nothing else really significant.

Say what?!

I think, on the whole, I also like Killers over the debut, but the debut is a FANTASTIC album.  For me, the only track I skip is Strange World.  Even Running Free is ok because it's short (the bloated, audience participation live version got real old real fast).  To say that an album that has 4 of the band's 13 most played live songs (and 3 of the top 10, none of which are Phantom) has "nothing else really significant" beyond Phantom is just baffling.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 14, 2020, 10:47:31 AM
I like Killers over ( self titled ). Murders In The Rue Morgue and Killers are two of my favorite tracks. IM has Phantom Of The Opera and nothing else really significant.

Say what?!

I think, on the whole, I also like Killers over the debut, but the debut is a FANTASTIC album.  For me, the only track I skip is Strange World.  Even Running Free is ok because it's short (the bloated, audience participation live version got real old real fast).  To say that an album that has 4 of the band's 13 most played live songs (and 3 of the top 10, none of which are Phantom) has "nothing else really significant" beyond Phantom is just baffling.

Not arguing, but just pointing out how tastes are an amazing thing. I like the debut over Killers because, among other factors, it has Strange World  :D
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Post by: max_security on May 14, 2020, 11:04:24 AM
I like Killers over ( self titled ). Murders In The Rue Morgue and Killers are two of my favorite tracks. IM has Phantom Of The Opera and nothing else really significant.

Say what?!

I think, on the whole, I also like Killers over the debut, but the debut is a FANTASTIC album.  For me, the only track I skip is Strange World.  Even Running Free is ok because it's short (the bloated, audience participation live version got real old real fast).  To say that an album that has 4 of the band's 13 most played live songs (and 3 of the top 10, none of which are Phantom) has "nothing else really significant" beyond Phantom is just baffling.

Phantom is the only song on that album that I would dig through a box of records to listen to. Not that the other tunes are bad , just not favorites of mine regarding the songs from the first two albums. If I could write a set list for them I think I would still close the second encore with  IM so there's 1 more I guess.
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Post by: devieira73 on May 14, 2020, 12:05:28 PM
Speaking of 80’s Maiden, the band also did awesome covers and, the majority of them, much close to the original versions. Today I listened to That Girl and realised I never heard FM’s original version. Holy s..., Maiden totally rearranged the song, in a great way!

Such a unique story behind that song with both bands performing it.  I think I prefer FM's version though.

Reach Out is an amazing song too.
I love all B-sides from SiT...even Sheriff, no matter it is kind of a goofy song.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 14, 2020, 12:10:21 PM
To Tame A Land - Iron Maiden (Lockdown session with Richie Faulkner) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PcEVCPFd4&feature=emb_title)

Pretty cool  :metal
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Post by: pg1067 on May 14, 2020, 02:51:45 PM
To Tame A Land - Iron Maiden (Lockdown session with Richie Faulkner) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PcEVCPFd4&feature=emb_title)

Pretty cool  :metal

It's cool (and it's my #1 Maiden song of all time), but the bass is inaudible for most of it.  I'd rather watch a full band cover or just listen to the original.

It's criminal that this song hasn't been played live since 1983.


I love all B-sides from SiT...even Sheriff, no matter it is kind of a goofy song.

Sheriff is AWESOME!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 14, 2020, 03:45:02 PM
To Tame A Land - Iron Maiden (Lockdown session with Richie Faulkner) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PcEVCPFd4&feature=emb_title)

Pretty cool  :metal

It's cool (and it's my #1 Maiden song of all time), but the bass is inaudible for most of it.  I'd rather watch a full band cover or just listen to the original.

It's criminal that this song hasn't been played live since 1983.


I love all B-sides from SiT...even Sheriff, no matter it is kind of a goofy song.

Sheriff is AWESOME!!

Yeah, To Tame a Land is an absolute CLASSIC...too bad they got into a disagreement with Frank Herbert and decided not to play it after the Piece of Mind tour.

Didn't Richie do also a version of Alexander the Great? I can't find the link for it!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 14, 2020, 04:05:24 PM
To Tame A Land - Iron Maiden (Lockdown session with Richie Faulkner) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PcEVCPFd4&feature=emb_title)

Pretty cool  :metal

It's cool (and it's my #1 Maiden song of all time), but the bass is inaudible for most of it.  I'd rather watch a full band cover or just listen to the original.

It's criminal that this song hasn't been played live since 1983.


I love all B-sides from SiT...even Sheriff, no matter it is kind of a goofy song.

Sheriff is AWESOME!!

Yeah, To Tame a Land is an absolute CLASSIC...too bad they got into a disagreement with Frank Herbert and decided not to play it after the Piece of Mind tour.

Didn't Richie do also a version of Alexander the Great? I can't find the link for it!!!!
Wait, is that the reason? From what i've read they asked Frank for permission to name a song after Dune but he declined so they named it To Tame A Land instead so why wouldn't they play it then? Maybe i'm missing some facts.

I agree though, it's crazy they haven't played it since. It's funny, do Maiden actually realise how much excitment and joy they would give to the fans if they played some of those rare songs live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 14, 2020, 04:18:28 PM
If I had to take one IM album to a desert island it would probably be Killers. Front to back bursting with energy, the sound is fantastic, the leads, drums, riffs, vocals are all incredible. There's literally nothing I don't love on it. I bought the albums in chronological order (just after SIT was released) and loved the first one but the power of Killers blew me away. Everything just feels locked in and purposeful.

The debut means a lot to me too but Running Free, Charlotte and Iron Maiden I'd be happy to never hear again. And the sound is poopy. I really like the debut cover art and was really annoyed that they messed with it in several ways over the years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 14, 2020, 05:57:49 PM
Wait, is that the reason? From what i've read they asked Frank for permission to name a song after Dune but he declined so they named it To Tame A Land instead so why wouldn't they play it then? Maybe i'm missing some facts.

I agree though, it's crazy they haven't played it since. It's funny, do Maiden actually realise how much excitment and joy they would give to the fans if they played some of those rare songs live.

Yeah...the story about Herbert threatening litigation if they called the song "Dune" is pretty well-known, but I've never heard anything to the effect that they haven't played it live since the POM tour for the same reason.  The only way that would make sense would be if there was some sort of threat that led to an agreement with Herbert that either prohibited it from being played live or which would give Herbert royalties if they did play it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 14, 2020, 06:14:07 PM
Wait, is that the reason? From what i've read they asked Frank for permission to name a song after Dune but he declined so they named it To Tame A Land instead so why wouldn't they play it then? Maybe i'm missing some facts.

I agree though, it's crazy they haven't played it since. It's funny, do Maiden actually realise how much excitment and joy they would give to the fans if they played some of those rare songs live.

Yeah...the story about Herbert threatening litigation if they called the song "Dune" is pretty well-known, but I've never heard anything to the effect that they haven't played it live since the POM tour for the same reason.  The only way that would make sense would be if there was some sort of threat that led to an agreement with Herbert that either prohibited it from being played live or which would give Herbert royalties if they did play it.

Every album after that had at least one VERY long song, so they probably chose to put it to rest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 14, 2020, 07:56:56 PM
Rime alone has eaten up a lot of setlist space over the years. It kept Alexander the Great off the Somewhere in Time tour setlist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 14, 2020, 08:14:32 PM
I think they retired TTAL because Bruce could never really perform the middle section.  That's just my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 14, 2020, 09:08:58 PM
I think they retired TTAL because Bruce could never really perform the middle section.  That's just my opinion.

That could just as well be the case. This part right here has one of the highest notes he ever sang:

And when the time
For judgement's at hand
Don't fret he's strong
And he'll make a stand
Against evil and fire
That spreads through the land
He has the power
To make it all end
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2020, 01:09:16 AM
For the record I consider To Tame a Land a far better song than Alex the Great, but it was played live at least in one tour, so fans can't hold on to it with the "it was never played live, we need to hear it played live" mantra.

Also, I'm quite sure that the author's involvement with the song was not allowing it to be called Dune, and that's it. They simply never played it live anymore because they had other epic songs (heck, the album after that had Rime has it has been pointed out), and for lenghty classic songs they already had Hallowed Be Thy Name and Phantom of the Opera, which were the go-to 7 minutes songs for their setlist of the '80s.

And as Rodrigo pointed out, I'm sure Bruce didn't exactly threaten to leave the band if he was not allowed to choke on himself singing the insanely high final stanza of the song, night after night.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 15, 2020, 05:09:57 AM
I think they retired TTAL because Bruce could never really perform the middle section.  That's just my opinion.

That could just as well be the case. This part right here has one of the highest notes he ever sang:

And when the time
For judgement's at hand
Don't fret he's strong
And he'll make a stand
Against evil and fire
That spreads through the land
He has the power
To make it all end

Did he ever hit the climax note?  What I've heard from boots he always goes down on the word 'end'.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 15, 2020, 06:20:31 AM
I think some other epics from the albums around the time were better received by the fanbase. Songs like Hallowed, Mariner and Seventh son are more beloved and therefore managed to find their way back to the set list once or twice.

Not to mention that the band always manages to play a song or two from Piece of mind on every tour, so when they've already got that album covered, no reason to add yet another song from it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2020, 06:39:20 AM
Useless trivia moment: To Tame a Land is one of the only four songs to have held the "Longest Iron Maiden song" title.

Phantom of the Opera was the first, for the sole reason of being the longest song on the only album released at the time - the debut.

Hallowed is seconds shorter, and To Tame a Land is seconds longer, so To Tame a Land is the second song to claim the "Longest song" title and the first with merit, with something else to compare to.

Then obviously a year after came Rime of the Ancient Mariner, which settled the dispute once and for alll.... well, for 31 years, from 1984 until 2015 when Empire of the Clouds was released.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on May 15, 2020, 08:30:34 AM
When X-factor came out I was in a different place musically. Yesterday, for the 1st time ever, I listened to the album. Not sure what to think. Seemed kinda boring but maybe it requires more spins.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on May 15, 2020, 08:37:43 AM
I just cannot get into Blaze's voice. It sounds so out of place to me in Maiden's music and makes those two albums pretty much unlistenable. I can tell there's great ideas on X Factor (and Virtual XI to a lesser extent) but they will never be regular plays for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 15, 2020, 08:45:33 AM
Sign Of The Cross and Man On The Edge are the only winners for me on that one. Never got into it.

I loved Blaze when he was in Wolfsbane and was sad for him that it didn't work out but it wasn't quite right.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Northern Lion on May 15, 2020, 08:48:47 AM
I just cannot get into Blaze's voice. It sounds so out of place to me in Maiden's music and makes those two albums pretty much unlistenable. I can tell there's great ideas on X Factor (and Virtual XI to a lesser extent) but they will never be regular plays for me.

I feel the same.  I perhaps take it a little too far though, as I don't listen to any Maiden album that doesn't have Bruce Dickenson as vocals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 15, 2020, 09:25:47 AM
I tried listening to the blaze stuff a couple times. Could never get into it
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 15, 2020, 09:30:39 AM
Funny, since we were talking about the debut and Killers, I always thought Blaze would have been great on those albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2020, 09:42:21 AM
Funny, since we were talking about the debut and Killers, I always thought Blaze would have been great on those albums.

Surely the X Factor and Virtual XI tours were a missed opportunity to drop some Bruce classics and bring back some Di'Anno tunes.

Prowler instead of The Trooper, Running Free as a classic song to close the concert, and Killers or Phantom of the Opera in place of The Evil that Men Do, stuff like that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 15, 2020, 10:18:22 AM
Wait, is that the reason? From what i've read they asked Frank for permission to name a song after Dune but he declined so they named it To Tame A Land instead so why wouldn't they play it then? Maybe i'm missing some facts.

I agree though, it's crazy they haven't played it since. It's funny, do Maiden actually realise how much excitment and joy they would give to the fans if they played some of those rare songs live.

Yeah...the story about Herbert threatening litigation if they called the song "Dune" is pretty well-known, but I've never heard anything to the effect that they haven't played it live since the POM tour for the same reason.  The only way that would make sense would be if there was some sort of threat that led to an agreement with Herbert that either prohibited it from being played live or which would give Herbert royalties if they did play it.

Every album after that had at least one VERY long song, so they probably chose to put it to rest.

If that was the thought process, then why didn't Hallowed Be Thy Name or Phantom of the Opera disappear forever?  And what exactly was the "VERY long song" on No Prayer for the Dying?


Useless trivia moment: To Tame a Land is one of the only four five songs to have held the "Longest Iron Maiden song" title.

Phantom of the Opera was the first, for the sole reason of being the longest song on the only album released at the time - the debut.

Hallowed is seconds shorter longer, and To Tame a Land is seconds longer, so To Tame a Land is the second third song to claim the "Longest song" title and the first second with merit, with something else to compare to.

Then obviously a year after came Rime of the Ancient Mariner, which settled the dispute once and for alll.... well, for 31 years, from 1984 until 2015 when Empire of the Clouds was released.

ftfy

Phantom - 7:02
Hallowed - 7:08
TTAL - 7:26
Rime - 13:45
Empire - 18:01
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2020, 10:39:09 AM
Whaaaaaaaat? I was so sure to have checked back in the day...... well then, FML, I suck at Maiden knowledge.

There were FIVE "Longest Iron Maiden song", not four.

EDIT: Maybe the misconception comes from the way the reissues handle the weird "reprise" at the end.

Look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8IuFl3sMhk

It starts after 2 seconds of silence, the "real" song ends at 7:06/7, and then the distorted "You torture me, back at your lair!" reprise brings it up to 7:20.

That's probably why I remembered Phantom being slightly longer than Hallowed (by cheating a little).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 15, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Whaaaaaaaat? I was so sure to have checked back in the day...... well then, FML, I suck at Maiden knowledge.

There were FIVE "Longest Iron Maiden song", not four.

EDIT: Maybe the misconception comes from the way the reissues handle the weird "reprise" at the end.

Look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8IuFl3sMhk

It starts after 2 seconds of silence, the "real" song ends at 7:06/7, and then the distorted "You torture me, back at your lair!" reprise brings it up to 7:20.

That's probably why I remembered Phantom being slightly longer than Hallowed (by cheating a little).

Looks like that was something that was just left on the master tape but not actually part of the song (or really even a "reprise").
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on May 15, 2020, 03:32:56 PM
I'm confused. What is the criteria for longest song? They have several other songs longer than those, minus Clouds.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2020, 04:04:52 PM
We're talking about longest songs EVER at a determined point of the discography. There was a time when To Tame a Land was the longest song in Iron Maiden's discography, before neither Rime of the Ancient Mariner (which was their longest song from 1984 to 2015) neither the many songs longer than To Tame a Land itself that you can find on the second half of their discography were written yet.

So yes, there are many songs between 1984 and 2015 that are longer than To Tame a Land, but none of those can claim to have been, at a point, the longest EVER Iron Maiden song. To Tame Land however for a year was IM's longest song.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on May 15, 2020, 04:18:41 PM
Right. I read that last sentence of the useless trivia post wrong. Rime is still longer than the 10+ minute songs between it and Clouds.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 18, 2020, 03:03:20 PM
Oh, damn. Horrible news related to the Maiden camp. Bruce Dickinson's (estranged) wife, Paddy, died in what has been reported as a tragic accident at home. Bummer news  :(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 18, 2020, 05:13:52 PM
Oh, damn. Horrible news related to the Maiden camp. Bruce Dickinson's (estranged) wife, Paddy, died in what has been reported as a tragic accident at home. Bummer news  :(

Oh shit, that's horrible.  :(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 19, 2020, 07:06:46 AM
WOW, that is a shock.   Huh. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 19, 2020, 12:55:57 PM
That's sad. Condolences to Bruce and his fam.

Talking about the music, I decided to do a deep dive on the Bruce-fronted Maiden material (I'm already a huge fan, but never really did any sort of ranking/list). It's amazing how much quality is there. Every record, there's at least two or three tunes that would make a Best Of compilation of mine.

My least favorite of the Bruce-fronted Maiden are probably No Prayer/Fear of the Dark/The Final Frontier. But I do love songs from all three. Just from a full album listening experience.

My FAVORITE ones are probably The Number of the Beast/Piece of Mind/Brave New World.

My favorite one-two punch opening tracks, however, are on Somewhere in Time: "Caught Somewhere in Time" and "Wasted Years." That duo just SLIGHTLY beats out "Aces High" and "2 Minutes to Midnight" on Powerslave.

I think the most underrated record from Bruce-led Maiden is A Matter of Life and Death. It's really a deep record, both musically and conceptually, and I love that one.

Anyway, random Tuesday thoughts...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2020, 12:57:54 PM
Not sure AMOLAD is underrated. Isn't it widely regarded as the Reunion Era's seminal album?



Also, I love TFF. I think it's amazing.

I'm also a big fan of Fear Of The Dark. I feel it's 8 songs deep, and suffers from being their first album in the CD age. Easily 2-4 songs too many.


My one two opening punch would go to Moonchild/Infinite Dreams, although Caught Somewhere In Time is a Top 5 Maiden song for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:01:15 PM
Not sure AMOLAD is underrated. Isn't it widely regarded as the Reunion Era's seminal album?

It is? I always thought that album was a slog, but better than The Final Frontier. I've always pegged Brave New World as the seminal reunion album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 19, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
That's so sad!

On another note: Chris Dale the former bassist on the Skunkworks session has uploaded demos and rehearsal from the pre-production.

Pre-Production:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ZbcTy49l4&list=PLyF2YGg03yRVKhMPvmch184DKdIg-Ik5l&index=2&t=0s

Demo tapes:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyF2YGg03yRXRDjkPXHK9TXmJSat1_Qok

FALLING (Unreleased song) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEHek__MzK4&list=PLyF2YGg03yRVKhMPvmch184DKdIg-Ik5l&index=13)

Really cool stuff actually!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2020, 01:03:18 PM
Not sure AMOLAD is underrated. Isn't it widely regarded as the Reunion Era's seminal album?

It is? I always thought that album was a slog, but better than The Final Frontier. I've always pegged Brave New World as the seminal reunion album.

You thought it was a slog, but I think most people rank it #1.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 19, 2020, 01:06:38 PM
My top one-two opening punch : Where Eagles Dare / Revelations
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Not sure AMOLAD is underrated. Isn't it widely regarded as the Reunion Era's seminal album?

It is? I always thought that album was a slog, but better than The Final Frontier. I've always pegged Brave New World as the seminal reunion album.

You thought it was a slog, but I think most people rank it #1.

Er, okay? I'm just saying I haven't seen many people, in the big picture, put AMOLAD as the "#1/seminal reunion album." It just seems to be Brave New World from my perspective (and a take that I agree with). I do think it's a slog, but that's not my basis for thinking it isn't the seminal album. Neither of us have proof to back it up. What you think holds no more weight than what I think unless we do a poll of every Maiden fan on the planet. Just based on my experience over the last 14 years since AMOLAD came out I've seen more praise for BNW post-reunion than AMOLAD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 19, 2020, 01:10:34 PM
My top one-two opening punch : Where Eagles Dare / Revelations

That's third for me. Honestly, if it would have went Where Eagles Dare/Flight of Icarus, that would have been my #1.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2020, 01:20:10 PM
Not sure AMOLAD is underrated. Isn't it widely regarded as the Reunion Era's seminal album?

It is? I always thought that album was a slog, but better than The Final Frontier. I've always pegged Brave New World as the seminal reunion album.

You thought it was a slog, but I think most people rank it #1.

Er, okay? I'm just saying I haven't seen many people, in the big picture, put AMOLAD as the "#1/seminal reunion album." It just seems to be Brave New World from my perspective (and a take that I agree with). I do think it's a slog, but that's not my basis for thinking it isn't the seminal album. Neither of us have proof to back it up. What you think holds no more weight than what I think unless we do a poll of every Maiden fan on the planet. Just based on my experience over the last 14 years since AMOLAD came out I've seen more praise for BNW post-reunion than AMOLAD.


DTF speaks, and we're both right!

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49382.0


I've been looking for something similar on Maidenfans..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Well, if we're using DTF as the metric, that's an incredibly small pool to pick from. I'm just going by what I've read on forums, chat rooms, comments, friends, people at concerts and festivals throughout my life and I still have no idea what the consensus is other than what I can hazard a guess at. I've only been posting here for a few years.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 01:24:12 PM
I'm accustomed to seeing BNW and AMOLAD ranked far out ahead of the other three reunion albums. I think BNW has a broader appeal (more people rank it as their favorite reunion album), but AMOLAD perhaps has a stronger appeal (the people who love it tend to rank it higher in the overall discography than those who prefer BNW).

In other words, it seems that some people think the reunion era is good but can't touch the 1982-88 material, and those people seem to prefer BNW out of all the reunion albums. Other people rank the reunion era almost as high or actually as high as the 1982-88 material, and those fans tend to prefer AMOLAD.

Personally, I would take TFF out of all 16 albums. But I'd put AMOLAD second. BNW is very good, but I think still shows some rough edges. Songwriting-wise, I contend it's more similar to Virtual XI than to Dance of Death, and it has many of the songwriting flaws VXI has.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2020, 01:26:07 PM
Well, if we're using DTF as the metric, that's an incredibly small pool to pick from. I'm just going by what I've read on forums, chat rooms, comments, friends, people at concerts and festivals throughout my life and I still have no idea what the consensus is other than what I can hazard a guess at. I've only been posting here for a few years.  :lol

Well, my main point is that I don't think AMOLAD is underrated.


Especially by fans of Brave New World. :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:26:36 PM
It's really good for memorizing lyrics, at least.

out of the darkness brighter than a thousand suns
out of the darkness brighter than a thousand suns
out of the darkness brighter than a thousand suns
out of the darkness brighter than a thousand suns
out of the darkness brighter than a thousand suns
out of the darkness brighter than a thousand suns
out of the darkness brighter than a thousand suns
out of the darkness brighter than a thousand suns
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 01:29:25 PM
I mean, I don't think you can come at AMOLAD for being repetitive while praising BNW on the other hand. :P

your time will come your time will come your time will come your time will come your time will come
a brave new world in a brave new world a brave new world in a brave new world in a brave new world a brave new world
we're blood brothers we're blood brothers we're blood brothers we're blood brothers we're blood brothers we're blood brothers
show them no fear show them no pain show them no fear show them no pain show them no fear show them no pain
the dream is true the dream is true the dream is true the dream is true the dream is true the dream is true
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:31:21 PM
Well, those are the better songs. :neverusethis:

Maiden's repetition goes back to the 80s, but I really didn't notice it until AMOLAD, personally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 19, 2020, 01:31:36 PM
I'm accustomed to seeing BNW and AMOLAD ranked far out ahead of the other three reunion albums. I think BNW has a broader appeal (more people rank it as their favorite reunion album), but AMOLAD perhaps has a stronger appeal (the people who love it tend to rank it higher in the overall discography than those who prefer BNW).

In other words, it seems that some people think the reunion era is good but can't touch the 1982-88 material, and those people seem to prefer BNW out of all the reunion albums. Other people rank the reunion era almost as high or actually as high as the 1982-88 material, and those fans tend to prefer AMOLAD.

Personally, I would take TFF out of all 16 albums. But I'd put AMOLAD second. BNW is very good, but I think still shows some rough edges. Songwriting-wise, I contend it's more similar to Virtual XI than to Dance of Death, and it has many of the songwriting flaws VXI has.

That's me, if you switch "good" with "lackluster", and "1982 - 88" with "1980-92 being extremely generous with No Prayer"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 19, 2020, 01:31:56 PM
Not sure AMOLAD is underrated. Isn't it widely regarded as the Reunion Era's seminal album?

It is? I always thought that album was a slog, but better than The Final Frontier. I've always pegged Brave New World as the seminal reunion album.

I've got your back. Brave New World is the best of the reunion albums. I saw the AMOLAD tour and it was fairly disappointing. Probably the best seats I have ever had for a Maiden show and they play the whole album and like 2 or 3 encore songs which are the ones they always play. Sheesh.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 01:34:20 PM
Well, those are the better songs. :neverusethis:

Maiden's repetition goes back to the 80s, but I really didn't notice it until AMOLAD, personally.

I mean, I can't argue with what your personal experience was, but AMOLAD is objectively less repetitive than BNW, having only three songs that repeat the same line over and over, vs. five on BNW.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2020, 01:34:50 PM
Not sure AMOLAD is underrated. Isn't it widely regarded as the Reunion Era's seminal album?

It is? I always thought that album was a slog, but better than The Final Frontier. I've always pegged Brave New World as the seminal reunion album.

I've got your back. Brave New World is the best of the reunion albums. I saw the AMOLAD tour and it was fairly disappointing. Probably the best seats I have ever had for a Maiden show and they play the whole album and like 2 or 3 encore songs which are the ones they always play. Sheesh.

To me, that's a sign... of something.  IM have never performed an album live like that or even every song from an album live (besides the first two I think) I think IM themselves think that may be one of their best albums, but I do believe the general IM fanbase does not agree wtih that as I witnessed many people very upset when IM played the whole album live. 

For some reason, I feel The Book of Souls got a much better overall response from the general fanbase than AMOLAD did or does.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:36:44 PM
Well, those are the better songs. :neverusethis:

Maiden's repetition goes back to the 80s, but I really didn't notice it until AMOLAD, personally.

I mean, I can't argue with what your personal experience was, but AMOLAD is objectively less repetitive than BNW, having only three songs that repeat the same line over and over, vs. five on BNW.

I'm being slightly hyperbolic in my assessment of Maiden and AMOLAD; but I mock AMOLAD's repetition because, again, I think BNW is a far superior record. A good record (or song, or hook, whatever it is) can justify excessive repetition; repetition itself is what helps make music memorable. Doesn't always work though. Gates of Tomorrow is a perfect example imo

@PP:  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 01:40:20 PM
I'm being slightly hyperbolic in my assessment of Maiden and AMOLAD; but I mock AMOLAD's repetition because, again, I think BNW is a far superior record. A good record (or song, or hook, whatever it is) can justify excessive repetition; repetition itself is what helps make music memorable. Doesn't always work though. Gates of Tomorrow is a perfect example imo

I mean, I get it to an extent, but it seems sort of like talking about the mote in the eye of one album when there's a beam in the eye of the one you're praising over it.



Re: The AMOLAD tour, I *think* that the AMOLAD setlist was far better received outside of the US than within. Notice that on the TFF tour, they had a completely different setlist for the US where they cut out a lot of the new material. At least in the band's eyes, the reunion era has been received far more negatively in the US than it has elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:45:02 PM
I'm being slightly hyperbolic in my assessment of Maiden and AMOLAD; but I mock AMOLAD's repetition because, again, I think BNW is a far superior record. A good record (or song, or hook, whatever it is) can justify excessive repetition; repetition itself is what helps make music memorable. Doesn't always work though. Gates of Tomorrow is a perfect example imo

I mean, I get it to an extent, but it seems sort of like talking about the mote in the eye of one album when there's a beam in the eye of the one you're praising over it.

With all due respect, I don't understand what that means. I think my explanation makes perfect sense; it's all subjective, I find the music on BNW far better than AMOLAD, and therefore the repetition of the melodies and hooks on BNW works for me much better.

I'd put The Book of Souls as my #2 reunion era record if the production was better. Lord, that album sounds like ass (but the music sounds good, if you catch my drift).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
It's a proverb, meaning it's not wise to criticize a small flaw in one thing while (in this case) praising something else that has a far worse version of the same flaw.

To be clear, I have no problem with you preferring BNW over AMOLAD, but it just seems weird to make that specific point of comparison.

Anyway, I think I now understand that your position is that repetition like that is not a flaw as such, only a flaw when the repeated melody is not good? I would disagree with that, and would rate the repetition as a flaw even when it's a repeated part that I really like, such as the second chorus to For the Greater Good of God. But if I've gotten your view right this time, I understand.

Re: Book of Souls and production, honestly, I don't like the production on any of the reunion albums. BNW is fine, I suppose, but the other four are rather poorly done. Ideally, Steve would back off production, bring in someone other than Shirley, and let a studio album actually sound good for the first time since 1992, but I doubt will ever happen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:51:39 PM
It's a proverb, meaning it's not wise to criticize a small flaw in one thing while (in this case) praising something else that has a far worse version of the same flaw.

To be clear, I have no problem with you preferring BNW over AMOLAD, but it just seems weird to make that specific point of comparison.

Anyway, I think I now understand that your position is that repetition like that is not a flaw as such, only a flaw when the repeated melody is not good? I would disagree with that, and would rate the repetition as a flaw even when it's a repeated part that I really like, such as the second chorus to For the Greater Good of God. But if I've gotten your view right this time, I understand.

But there's the rub. I don't think it's a 'small flaw.' It is important to me. Some people don't like pop music because it's very repetitive, but I think it is a strength of that style of music which is why I enjoy so much pop music, I enjoy good musical ideas getting due repetition. There's also a reason I don't listen to Gates of Tomorrow, or Sun and Steel, or Brighter Than A Thousand Suns. Excessive repetition of a melody I find annoying is not a small flaw to me. It's a huge factor in me not enjoying something. How is that weird? It's no weirder than criticizing the production of Book of Souls, or the snare on St. Anger, or how weird Bruce sounds on The X factor  ;) ;)

I never said repetition is a flaw in itself. Repetition is part of what attracts humans to music. I said repetition of a musical idea I don't like factors into me not liking a song, but if it's a musical idea I enjoy, then I am going to want to hear it more often. Repetition is not inherently good or bad, it is merely one more element of music that a musician chooses to use however they wish.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 01:54:39 PM
Right, so as I said last post, I think I misunderstood you at first as saying "it is bad because it is too repetitive" instead of "it is bad because it repeats something I don't like."

Because that's different from my perspective. I think that every one of those songs, from Seventh Son of a Seventh Son to Fear of the Dark to The Wicker Man to For the Greater Good of God would be improved by cutting the repetitions in half. And I think the repeated part in each of those songs is good (unlike Gates of Tomorrow).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
Yeah, that's it. And I agree, there is a lot of trimming that could be done to a great number of Maiden songs. There's definitely a tendency to repeat ideas a bit too often for their own good. I think that's a problem with Empire of the Clouds too, honestly. Several minutes of that could be cut because it's just recycling the same musical lines. Shame because it's a brilliant song otherwise imo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 01:57:54 PM
I agree regarding Empire of the Clouds. I'm really glad they decided to go for a long epic like that, but I think it was only a partial success in part for that reason.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on May 19, 2020, 02:01:47 PM
I have always felt that repetition--not only melodies but song construction and drum fills that are always left-to-right and very similar--are Maiden's weakness. Very rarely do they attempt to step outside their comfort zone. That's ok because many bands do the same thing but it is a recognizable trait of theirs that causes me to stop an album midway through sometimes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 19, 2020, 02:42:52 PM
My top one-two opening punch : Where Eagles Dare / Revelations

I think that's where I come out too.

Ides of March/Wrathchild and Murders in the Rue Morgue would probably be runner up.

Moonchild kicks ass, but Infinite Dreams kinda sucks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 19, 2020, 02:45:19 PM
I love Maiden; they are and probably always will be my favorite "metal" band, and I don't really share a lot of the criticisms of the band that others have, about the repetition and such.   However, I bought En Vivo! recently and was listening in the garage to "When The Wild Wind Blows" and was immediately struck by the melodies of the guitar lines.  I also had this sort of guilty twinge of "isn't that same melody in like six other songs?"   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 19, 2020, 03:53:31 PM
Repetition is really key when I ask myself why I'm so in love with the 80's material and quite lukewarm with the post-reunion one. Paradoxically, and I believe a quick glance at music transcriptions could corroborate the theory, the former is way more "repetitive" than the latter. There's a catch though: IM's songwriting in the past century featured repetition as structural variation of fixed tropes, the same way classical baroque music does, hence repetition didn't feel ... "repetitive" (sorry!), but the core of an increasingly fresh and energising system. Post reunion, always strictly imo, repetition becomes a symptom - hence giving the kind of feeling Stadler talks about above - of songwriting being expanded without real musical evolution backing it up. If you will, 00's IM soundwriting to my ears is not unleashing a band's potential, but revealing its limits, whereas creative repetition inside those limits (hell, stimulated by those limits, even) was a clear strength in the vinyl era.

Regardless, I love Iron Maiden very much  :D

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2020, 03:57:50 PM
I have always felt that repetition--not only melodies but song construction and drum fills that are always left-to-right and very similar--are Maiden's weakness. Very rarely do they attempt to step outside their comfort zone.

Agree with that first statement 100%, not so quite much with the second, at least in the re-union era they've experimented quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2020, 04:24:44 PM
Just going back to AMOLAD, I too always thought it was universally acclaimed or widely regarded as their 'best' reunion album among the masses.

I will say, not getting a DVD of that tour where they played the album in full was a real shitter.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 04:47:27 PM
Yeah, I'm really disappointed about that, too. As a result of that and the tendency to avoid AMOLAD for the most part in subsequent setlists, we actually have zero officially released live versions of songs from that album—the only Maiden album of which this is true.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2020, 04:49:17 PM
Yeah, I'm really disappointed about that, too. As a result of that and the tendency to avoid AMOLAD for the most part in subsequent setlists, we actually have officially released live versions of songs from that album—the only Maiden album of which this is true.

I'm guessing you mean 'don't' have official releases, but I never thought about that and you're right.  Such a damn shame.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 19, 2020, 04:52:33 PM
Wow, that set off a firestorm of comments.  :lol

For the record, I always thought most people considered BNW tops of the reunion era by miles. And I thought that while people liked AMOLAD, they generally weren't as fond of it as others. That's why I called it underrated. Personally, I have it ranked higher than a many of the 82-92 catalog. But I thought I was in the minority, thus underrated.

Oh, and can we all agree that TAC is usually wrong?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2020, 04:53:07 PM
Yeah, I'm really disappointed about that, too. As a result of that and the tendency to avoid AMOLAD for the most part in subsequent setlists, we actually have officially released live versions of songs from that album—the only Maiden album of which this is true.

I'm guessing you mean 'don't' have official releases, but I never thought about that and you're right.  Such a damn shame.

Yeah, I meant to have the word "zero" in there and accidentally omitted it. And yeah, I didn't actually realize it until I thought about it just now. For some reason I had it in my head that either Breeg or Colours had made En Vivo, but nope.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
I wouldn't really call AMOLAD underrated personally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2020, 04:55:33 PM
Yeah, I'm really disappointed about that, too. As a result of that and the tendency to avoid AMOLAD for the most part in subsequent setlists, we actually have officially released live versions of songs from that album—the only Maiden album of which this is true.

I'm guessing you mean 'don't' have official releases, but I never thought about that and you're right.  Such a damn shame.

Yeah, I meant to have the word "zero" in there and accidentally omitted it. And yeah, I didn't actually realize it until I thought about it just now. For some reason I had it in my head that either Breeg or Colours had made En Vivo, but nope.

A shame the band has decided to ignore it up until now with Greater Good of God.  I wonder if they have any pro footage shot of the Legacy tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on May 19, 2020, 05:03:00 PM


I will say, not getting a DVD of that tour where they played the album in full was a real shitter.
Same with The Astonishing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2020, 05:53:27 PM


I will say, not getting a DVD of that tour where they played the album in full was a real shitter.
Same with The Astonishing.

Nah, I'm cool with that one not getting a DVD.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 19, 2020, 06:42:09 PM

A shame the band has decided to ignore it up until now with Greater Good of God.  I wonder if they have any pro footage shot of the Legacy tour.

I don't know if you are asking about some professional recording paid by the band, but the Rock in Rio 2019 show was broadcasted, with excellent footage and audio (although it isn't one of Bruce's greatest nights according with himself).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2020, 06:55:45 PM
Wow, that set off a firestorm of comments.  :lol

Well, your great post gave us something to discuss. :)


For the record, I always thought most people considered BNW tops of the reunion era by miles. And I thought that while people liked AMOLAD, they generally weren't as fond of it as others. That's why I called it underrated. Personally, I have it ranked higher than a many of the 82-92 catalog. But I thought I was in the minority, thus underrated.

Nah, you're definitely not in the minority on AMOLAD. It's a stellar album. But apparently the masses are split between it and BNW.


Oh, and can we all agree that TAC is usually wrong?  :biggrin:

Usually yes. :lol

But not when it comes to Iron Maiden! ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2020, 07:50:41 PM

A shame the band has decided to ignore it up until now with Greater Good of God.  I wonder if they have any pro footage shot of the Legacy tour.

I don't know if you are asking about some professional recording payed by the band, but the Rock in Rio 2019 show was broadcasted, with excellent footage and audio (although it isn't one of Bruce's greatest nights according with himself).

Yeah, I meant official from the band.  I know there's some good quality stuff out there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on May 20, 2020, 01:24:13 AM
D.O.D. is my favorite of the post 2000 era albums.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on May 20, 2020, 02:19:54 AM
D.O.D. is my favorite of the post 2000 era albums.   :metal

DOD is ranked generally pretty low by fans, but I really like it!

There are some bangers on that album. Paschendale, Rainmaker, Face in the Sand and the title track are all great!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 20, 2020, 02:26:45 AM
Indeed, the album is not really favored, but I've always loved it since the beginning.

For all the talks about repetitions, when it happened again that, out of the two longest songs of the album, one had a chorus repeated only twice, and the other had no chorus at all?

The great songs of DoD more than make up for the slightly inferior ones present on the album.

And yes, the cover blows but by now who cares, the music is what matters.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2020, 05:02:18 AM
D.O.D. is my favorite of the post 2000 era albums.   :metal

DOD is ranked generally pretty low by fans, but I really like it!

There are some bangers on that album. Paschendale, Rainmaker, Face in the Sand and the title track are all great!

Great album, but the production really let it down.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2020, 05:03:00 AM
Yeah, I'm really disappointed about that, too. As a result of that and the tendency to avoid AMOLAD for the most part in subsequent setlists, we actually have officially released live versions of songs from that album—the only Maiden album of which this is true.

I'm guessing you mean 'don't' have official releases, but I never thought about that and you're right.  Such a damn shame.

I believe they did release an official live track or two from AMOLAD as a bside to a single.  I'm trying to remember, but I'm pretty sure it was Different World and Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg. 

Also, I recall they did film a festival concert where they performed half of AMOLAD and half of TNOTB (which was the tour they did after the full album performance leg) but they weren't happy with the performance so it hasn't seen the light of day. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 20, 2020, 07:21:30 AM
D.O.D. is my favorite of the post 2000 era albums.   :metal

DOD is ranked generally pretty low by fans, but I really like it!

There are some bangers on that album. Paschendale, Rainmaker, Face in the Sand and the title track are all great!

Great album, but the production really let it down.
Listen to the new remaster. Seriously, maybe the best production of all 2000’s albums. The guitars sound almost like in their 80’s discography.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on May 20, 2020, 07:47:57 AM

Listen to the new remaster. Seriously, maybe the best production of all 2000’s albums. The guitars sound almost like in their 80’s discography.

Huh. So this new remaster sounds better? Need to get a hold of it then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 20, 2020, 08:34:14 AM
Dance of Death is a great album and holds some of the band's best songs ever (the title track, Paschendale, Rainmaker). But I would agree with the common consensus that it's among the weaker entries of the reunion era, along with maybe The Final Frontier... Which is more a testament to how freaking stellar Iron Maiden have been since the reunion era started. :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 20, 2020, 09:58:26 AM

Listen to the new remaster. Seriously, maybe the best production of all 2000’s albums. The guitars sound almost like in their 80’s discography.

Huh. So this new remaster sounds better? Need to get a hold of it then.
I think so. Really better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 20, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
Yeah, I'm really disappointed about that, too. As a result of that and the tendency to avoid AMOLAD for the most part in subsequent setlists, we actually have officially released live versions of songs from that album—the only Maiden album of which this is true.

I'm guessing you mean 'don't' have official releases, but I never thought about that and you're right.  Such a damn shame.

I believe they did release an official live track or two from AMOLAD as a bside to a single.  I'm trying to remember, but I'm pretty sure it was Different World and Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg. 

Also, I recall they did film a festival concert where they performed half of AMOLAD and half of TNOTB (which was the tour they did after the full album performance leg) but they weren't happy with the performance so it hasn't seen the light of day.

I can't speak to a live version of "Different World" (at least I don't have it), but there definitely is a live b-side of "Breeg".  It's from Copenhagen and is the b-side of one of the "Different World" singles. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on May 20, 2020, 02:11:34 PM

Listen to the new remaster. Seriously, maybe the best production of all 2000’s albums. The guitars sound almost like in their 80’s discography.

Huh. So this new remaster sounds better? Need to get a hold of it then.
I think so. Really better.

I had no idea there was a remaster of that. Looks like there is a whole slew of them. Will have to check it out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 20, 2020, 02:41:55 PM
It’s the iTunes remaster (from 2015) of all Maiden albums. After that, they were released on HD tracks and CDs. It’s also on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/album/2Y8x0EEu7il0K2gCQIqVRh?si=rImDyGVmRAiDX3ccLT8EiQ
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on May 20, 2020, 03:07:56 PM
It’s the iTunes remaster (from 2015) of all Maiden albums. After that, they were released on HD tracks and CDs. It’s also on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/album/2Y8x0EEu7il0K2gCQIqVRh?si=rImDyGVmRAiDX3ccLT8EiQ

 :lol  So I do have an Iron Maiden playlist with all the studio albums in it. I use shuffle most of the times but for whatever reason, Google Play keeps skipping Dance of Death  :lol

I do have to hunt the CDs though. I only have from Brave New World through Book of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 20, 2020, 03:48:38 PM

 :lol  So I do have an Iron Maiden playlist with all the studio albums in it. I use shuffle most of the times but for whatever reason, Google Play keeps skipping Dance of Death  :lol

Of course, they do, it's the special one! :laugh:
I think the first one really improved too :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2020, 04:22:28 PM

Listen to the new remaster. Seriously, maybe the best production of all 2000’s albums. The guitars sound almost like in their 80’s discography.

Huh. So this new remaster sounds better? Need to get a hold of it then.
I think so. Really better.

I remember discussions about these.  I didn't realise they were that much better.  How do the rest of the reunion albums stack up?  And are the old ones worth getting?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 20, 2020, 04:53:15 PM

Listen to the new remaster. Seriously, maybe the best production of all 2000’s albums. The guitars sound almost like in their 80’s discography.

Huh. So this new remaster sounds better? Need to get a hold of it then.
I think so. Really better.

I remember discussions about these.  I didn't realise they were that much better.  How do the rest of the reunion albums stack up?  And are the old ones worth getting?
I think DoD is the only one, from 2000 on, clearly better (the original sounds like just a rough mix, not mastered at all). From the 80’s the one that I listened with more atention was the first, because Steve Harris recommended it on some interview or while promoting the remasters. And I think it sounds almost like it was remixed, it really improved.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Northern Lion on May 20, 2020, 06:06:16 PM
I'm a big fan of all their albums since BNW.  Although BNW is my favorite of the bunch, I like almost all the songs from all of them.  In my view, it is Iron Maiden's best years.  Although the 80's stuff is really good too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2020, 06:38:22 PM

Listen to the new remaster. Seriously, maybe the best production of all 2000’s albums. The guitars sound almost like in their 80’s discography.

Huh. So this new remaster sounds better? Need to get a hold of it then.
I think so. Really better.

I remember discussions about these.  I didn't realise they were that much better.  How do the rest of the reunion albums stack up?  And are the old ones worth getting?
I think DoD is the only one, from 2000 on, clearly better (the original sounds like just a rough mix, not mastered at all). From the 80’s the one that I listened with more atention was the first, because Steve Harris recommended it on some interview or while promoting the remasters. And I think it sounds almost like it was remixed, it really improved.

Doing some googling seems people aren't too keen on them, but I think I'd have to check them out.  If they on a whole were improved, I'd probably start collecting them.

And yeah, with DOD when I picked it up and took it home and listened, I thought I must have had a defect copy or something lol.  I'll check that one at least.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2020, 06:43:50 PM
I guess I've never really had a problem with the way Dance Of Death sounds. My ears can't really hear it. The 2015 Remasters are on Spotify, but I compared that to what's on my iPod and I couldn't really tell the difference.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2020, 07:27:02 PM
Question for the Maiden fans. From their entire discography, which single album (1 only) do you think has aged the best?

I know this post evolved into a s/t vs Killers thing. But it got me thinking.

Piece Of Mind has really stayed strong, as does The Number Of The Beast.

But Powerslave, to me, has really aged well. Now I'm not saying it's my favorite of the Classic Era by any stretch. But I was quite critical of it when it came out, and these days, I really enjoy it for what it is.



Consequently, Somewhere In Time, which I freaking loved when it came out, has probably aged the worst from the Classic Era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2020, 08:25:49 PM
I guess I've never really had a problem with the way Dance Of Death sounds. My ears can't really hear it. The 2015 Remasters are on Spotify, but I compared that to what's on my iPod and I couldn't really tell the difference.

Do you enjoy opening yourself up to fogey jokes?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2020, 08:37:54 PM
Seems to be a thing lately. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on May 20, 2020, 09:10:15 PM
I've checked out the spotify version of the remastered DoD and compared that to my copy, the difference seems very negligible. I probably won't be able to fullly compare unless I get the CD and rip it to my desktop.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 20, 2020, 10:28:22 PM
Too bad there isn't a remastered version of the DoD artwork.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 21, 2020, 01:06:31 AM
Too bad there isn't a remastered version of the DoD artwork.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: npiazza91 on May 21, 2020, 01:33:55 AM
To me, Dance of Death is EASILY the weakest of the reunion era. It’s one of the worst albums by them imo. Yeah you have Rainmaker, Paschendale and Journeyman, but 90% of everything else is, to me, just REALLY tough to get through. This is an album with extremely annoying and repetitive choruses, and uninteresting. I did a full listen of this album maybe like two months ago and ouch...it was rough.

As for which have aged the best, Powerslave for sure. I also really love the debut, that is a million miles better than Killers to me. Killers feels like a disc of B sides to me, whereas the debut is a borderline masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 21, 2020, 02:37:10 AM
I've always found Dance of death to be one of my favorites for the same reason it's one of people's least favorites. The songs that some fans find overwhelming or filler are for me some of the band's most underrated tunes. Montsegur, Wildest dreams, Age of innocence and Gates of tomorrow are as good as Paschendale, Journeyman, Rainmaker and the title track in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 21, 2020, 02:41:28 AM
Montsegur is one of the best songs Maiden never played live. The other ones.... eh, The Wicker Man is miles above Wildest Dream, and Gates of Tomorrow is just.... there. Age of Innocence is ok, and so Face in the Sand, another great forgotten track.

My attitute towards the album is that the highs are VERY highs, and the low are not that low at all, just middle of the road but still enjoyable. No dull or abhorrent track on this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: npiazza91 on May 21, 2020, 02:52:56 AM
Anyone else feel like The Final Frontier is extremely underrated? I don’t think it’s as tightly written as AMOLAD or TBOS, but there’s some amazing tunes on there.

You have the title track, El Dorado, Coming Home, Isle of Avalon, THE TALISMAN (a top 10 IM track imo), When The Wild Wind Blows, and The Man Who Would Be King. All killer songs. It’s a very heavy, but also very melodic album. Similar to Megadeth’s Youthanasia in that regard (not that the two albums sounds alike at all lol, just similar in that they’re both heavy yet melodic). I think AMOLAD is a tighter album, but less fun and less relistenable. To me, TFF has the best replay value out of all the reuinion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 21, 2020, 04:39:49 AM
That is another fantastic album. Some of the shorter tracks aren't their best, but I think the band nailed it with the epics. The Man who would be king, Isle of Avalon, The Talisman and Wild wind are modern era masterpieces.

It's truly stunning how consistent the band has been over the last 20 years. Indeed, they haven't released that many albums, but the quality hasn't dropped.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2020, 05:01:00 AM
If TFF started at The Alchemist and was a 6 song album , it would be an absolute masterpice.  Ptobably could sneak Coming Home in the middle there too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on May 21, 2020, 06:20:39 AM
The Final Frontier is incredible. I think it gets less love because:

A) Satellite 15 is a strange intro

B) The track order is very uneven with the short songs first and long songs last

I think Satellite 15 is cool and unique for them, but I guess fans dislike when an established band actually does something different. And the tracklist could've been reordered to space out the longer tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2020, 06:25:27 AM
The atrocious double bass looping ruins S15.  How did they let that pass, so amateurish and poor.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 21, 2020, 06:30:32 AM
The Final Frontier is incredible. I think it gets less love because:

A) Satellite 15 is a strange intro

B) The track order is very uneven with the short songs first and long songs last

I think Satellite 15 is cool and unique for them, but I guess fans dislike when an established band actually does something different. And the tracklist could've been reordered to space out the longer tracks.

My biggest problems with The Final Frontier is the production and Bruce's voice on some of the songs. It's one of the band's weaker efforts to "recreate the live sound in a studio" and I feel like they rushed Bruce in and out of the booth for some songs... namely Starblind (which I maintain is the best song on TFF and one of the top songs the band ever wrote).

I feel like if they'd gone for a production closer to Brave New World, let Bruce have a few more shakes at the album and incorporate the suggestions you provided here, TFF would've been a much stronger album overall. There's a lot to love there, not unlike Dance of Death.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 21, 2020, 06:37:44 AM
I think Satellite 15 is cool and unique for them, but I guess fans dislike when an established band actually does something different. And the tracklist could've been reordered to space out the longer tracks.

If you rearrange the tracklist, you get more or less the same tracklist of A Matter of Life and Death. Not saying the songs are the same, but they didn't exactly stretched their horizons either.

DW = Final Frontier (energetic and uplifting roking song)
Colors = Eldorado (simple, single-ish song)
1000 suns= Mercy (brooding song about war... ok this is a stretch)
Pilgrim = Alchemist (short and fast song)
Longest day = Avalon (epic with a long buildup)
Shadows = Coming home (ballad)
Benny Breeg = Man (epic with help from Dave)
Greater Good = Wind blows (Harris solo epic and longest song of the album)
Lord flies = Starblind (oddball epic)
Legacy = Talisman (epic with an acoustic intro)

Again: this is not "proof" that they wrote the same album twice, far from it. But more or less the mindframe was similar. Glad that they shaked it up a bit for The Book of Souls.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Northern Lion on May 21, 2020, 06:49:41 AM
I guess I've never really had a problem with the way Dance Of Death sounds. My ears can't really hear it. The 2015 Remasters are on Spotify, but I compared that to what's on my iPod and I couldn't really tell the difference.

Me as well.  I think DOD is a really great album (other than the artwork :) )
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 21, 2020, 08:58:16 AM
I guess I've never really had a problem with the way Dance Of Death sounds. My ears can't really hear it. The 2015 Remasters are on Spotify, but I compared that to what's on my iPod and I couldn't really tell the difference.

I'm with you, boss.  I just don't hear it. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on May 21, 2020, 09:03:45 AM
After reading about DoD in this thread, I decided to listen to it last night. I really really enjoyed it. The epic songs are some of the best Maiden have written, the short catchy ones are great and very melodic, some in between songs plus the song Nicko wrote, it's the only downer in that whole album and one which I tend skipping every time I listen to the album. It does have a cool middle section though. The ending track being an all acoustic track was something very new (well not really new but haven't been done with Bruce)  and that along with the album cover were the two big things talked about at the time is what I remember.

I was living in London at the time of this album release, and it was a great experience to see all the marketing and presence of the band and album everywhere (in the Tube, billboards, posters), IMO it was a great follow up to BNW which at the time rekindled my love for the band and made me get all the remasters that had the CD spine align and make Eddie's face. I don't remember having issues with the production at the time and while I can kinda see what issue people have with it, it sounds good with some good headphones and DAC.

I'm curious to hear how the remaster sounds but I'm going to wager the difference will be very little if I'm going by the spotify listen.
Going to queue up AMOLAD next.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 21, 2020, 09:46:50 AM
My attitute towards the album is that the highs are VERY highs, and the low are not that low at all, just middle of the road but still enjoyable. No dull or abhorrent track on this.

This is how I feel about DoD. Paschendale is one of their very best songs. In addition to the title track, Rainmaker, Journeyman and Montsegur, I also very much enjoy Face in the Sand. And No More Lies, while probably the weakest of the longer reunion-era songs, is still very enjoyable in my opinion.

The Final Frontier is my very favorite Iron Maiden album. The last five songs form an incredible run, easily the best run in their discography. Starblind and The Talisman are both probably top 10 Maiden songs, and Isle of Avalon and When the Wild Wind Blows are not far behind. The first half of the album is less extraordinary, but I personally love Mother of Mercy and The Alchemist and think the others are fairly strong (certainly stronger than the short songs on DoD, or those on BNW save The Wicker Man). And I actually really enjoy Satellite 15. It makes for a really cool intro, feels thematically appropriate, and has a great performance from Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 21, 2020, 09:53:35 AM
Not to piss on your enjoyment of the album, but I think that The Man Who Would be King is the blandest and most boring of the reunion era epics / long songs, sorry  ;D

Where the Wild Wind Blows is great, but the problem is that it fires all its good right at the beginning. Once you go past the very memorable and hummable initial melody that explodes into a "jump along" the song kinda.... drags. It's slower and more moodier, and there's nothing as catchy and memorable as the intro. The climax is only lyrical, when you discovered the old couple killed themselves for nothing, but 3 minutes into the song, all the best things already happened.

I still like what comes after, mind you, but there's not much more to expect after the intro and the following section...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 21, 2020, 10:24:42 AM
Funny thing, I've just listened to The Man who would be king today. It still gives me goosebumps. There are three sections with guitar harmonies, damn it! And then there's the soaring chorus, the 2112-like middle section, and not to mention that the outro is just as haunting as the intro. That's gotta be the best song on the album.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 21, 2020, 10:28:29 AM
I know The Man Who Would Be King is not a particularly popular song, but I honestly adore it. The only reason I didn't mention it is because it just turns out to be surrounded by four superb songs that are even better than it. That instrumental section starting around 4 minutes in is wonderful.

I very much like both songs, so I don't want to denigrate one too much to benefit the other, but I have a hard time seeing No More Lies above TMWWBK. No More Lies is very much Steve Harris epic-by-numbers, complete with one of those repeat-the-title choruses. TMWWBK is distinctive with several cool sections. (I'd say it's actually the second-most distinctive song on TFF, behind Sat 15).

I think it's a fair observation to make about Maiden epics that many them have their best developments in the first few minutes. I mean, The Longest Day is this taken to the extreme, and I'd definitely also say this about the aforementioned No More Lies. I can understand thinking this about WtWWB, although I disagree. Part of it may be a matter of the extent to which a person is interested in the lyrics themselves—on this particular song, I am very interested in the lyrics and I enjoy the way the verses shift a little with each new lyrical development.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2020, 12:24:26 PM
The Final Frontier is incredible. I think it gets less love because:

A) Satellite 15 is a strange intro

B) The track order is very uneven with the short songs first and long songs last

I think Satellite 15 is cool and unique for them, but I guess fans dislike when an established band actually does something different. And the tracklist could've been reordered to space out the longer tracks.

What bothers me most about S15 is that it's not its own track.  It makes no sense to lump TFF with S15 in one track IMO.  I don't have a problem with S15 as intro music for the album, it works in that context, but it sours me to not be able to just skip it and get to TFF.  I don't personally like S15, but intro music typically doesn't make me annoyed the way this does.

And I rate TFF low because it's just not terribly interesting.  There's some great songs for sure, but there's lot of rather diverse ideas that just don't resonate with me and it starts with the intro music.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 21, 2020, 12:29:01 PM
I didn't see TFF tour; I just got the En Vivo! set, and kind of dug the way the show started with "Satellite..."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2020, 12:34:03 PM
I didn't see TFF tour; I just got the En Vivo! set, and kind of dug the way the show started with "Satellite..."

I've got no issue with that etiher, it's fine for that purpose of being intro music, plus it works well on the En Vivo video too.  The US version of the tour didn't start with S15 if I recall because the album wasn't out yet so we only got to see El Durado.  Also, that tour had an amazing setlist that included The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg and These Colours Dont Run  :metal ... with of course Dream Theater opening
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2020, 06:07:32 PM
TMWWBK definitely has the Murray vibe to it.  His songwriting is very unique and something different.  It may not be the best epic on the album but a welcome addition.  Very nice song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2020, 06:45:40 PM
I liked Brave New World enough when it came out. I must say I was a bit skeptical of the whole thing though. I think I held back a bit, as in the back of my mind, I could see it being a one off. Bruce was pretty much done with Iron Maiden when he left, and I considered the album and tour nothing but a big payday.

Suffice to say that when Dance Of Death was released, I was more relived than anything. Like maybe this Reunion could actually be a thing.
While I don't think the artwork is great, I must say that the color scheme is outstanding and the overall theme and original idea is really great. Plus, the band portraits might be the finest ever taken.
Musically, I just found Dance Of Death more Maiden Familiar, if you know what I mean. It was just more comfortable to me than Brave New World. This felt like Iron Maiden.

Montsegur is amazing. I think that songs kicks total ass. I highly love the Title Track, and Paschendale is obviously great. I think I like the idea of what they did with The Journeyman more than I like the actual song though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on May 21, 2020, 06:54:22 PM
Rainmaker is awesome  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
I liked Brave New World enough when it came out. I must say I was a bit skeptical of the whole thing though. I think I held back a bit, as in the back of my mind, I could see it being a one off. Bruce was pretty much done with Iron Maiden when he left, and I considered the album and tour nothing but a big payday.

Suffice to say that when Dance Of Death was released, I was more relived than anything. Like maybe this Reunion could actually be a thing.
While I don't think the artwork is great, I must say that the color scheme is outstanding and the overall theme and original idea is really great. Plus, the band portraits might be the finest ever taken.
Musically, I just found Dance Of Death more Maiden Familiar, if you know what I mean. It was just more comfortable to me than Brave New World. This felt like Iron Maiden.

Montsegur is amazing. I think that songs kicks total ass. I highly love the Title Track, and Paschendale is obviously great. I think I like the idea of what they did with The Journeyman more than I like the actual song though.

I actually always really liked the album a lot, I just hated the sound of it.  Rainmaker is possibly the best Murray song after Judas and Montsegur is indeed fantastic.  That change from E minor to E major in the chorus is awesome.  Face in the Sand is another forgotten one where it shows Nicko should have used the double bass more, great effect.  The title track is vintage Maiden.  I never really had an issue with the artwork to be honest.  It's not great of course, but I didn't think it was as horrible as most said it was.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 21, 2020, 07:22:29 PM
I didn't see TFF tour; I just got the En Vivo! set, and kind of dug the way the show started with "Satellite..."
Did TFF get a proper US tour? I thought we just got the modern greatest hits set with DT opening. I don't recall a tour where here where they played anything from it other than El Dorado. Personally, I think it's an improvement. I dug the setlist and thought TFF was weak.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2020, 07:24:18 PM
The Final Frontier is incredible. I think it gets less love because:

A) Satellite 15 is a strange intro

B) The track order is very uneven with the short songs first and long songs last

I think Satellite 15 is cool and unique for them, but I guess fans dislike when an established band actually does something different. And the tracklist could've been reordered to space out the longer tracks.

What bothers me most about S15 is that it's not its own track.  It makes no sense to lump TFF with S15 in one track IMO.  I don't have a problem with S15 as intro music for the album, it works in that context, but it sours me to not be able to just skip it and get to TFF.  I don't personally like S15, but intro music typically doesn't make me annoyed the way this does.

And I rate TFF low because it's just not terribly interesting.  There's some great songs for sure, but there's lot of rather diverse ideas that just don't resonate with me and it starts with the intro music.

Yeah, I agree with this too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2020, 07:41:57 PM
I didn't see TFF tour; I just got the En Vivo! set, and kind of dug the way the show started with "Satellite..."
Did TFF get a proper US tour? I thought we just got the modern greatest hits set with DT opening. I don't recall a tour where here where they played anything from it other than El Dorado. Personally, I think it's an improvement. I dug the setlist and thought TFF was weak.

No, TFF did not get a proper tour, nor did the IM/DT tour play anywhere near here. But we did get the last full US DT show on one of the off dates.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2020, 07:48:29 PM
Regarding TFF, It is my personal favorite Reunion Era album. I'm fine declaring that AMOLAD is the signature Reunion Era album, but I find TFF warmer to me. I've written about this many times before here. From BNW through AMOLAD, I liked each new album a bit more than the previous one. I never thought they could top AMOLAD.  I find musically TFF is on par with AMOLAD, and I just like the songs a bit more.
The Book Of Souls is the first time in the Reunion Era that I felt an album didn't live up to the previous one.


And hell yes, S-15, which I thought was an amazing and original way to open a Maiden alum, should've definitely been its own track.
The Talisman is my favorite Reunion Era track, and Coming Home is right behind it.
Mother Of Mercy is way underrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on May 21, 2020, 08:33:52 PM
For me until Book of Souls each new reunion album was ranked the same order of release. so I'd always rank them in order of release except for Book of Souls that I like better than TFF and AMOLAD. Going through my renewed listen of the reunion albums I might rank them very differently now as I'm loving AMOLAD a lot more as a whole than DoD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2020, 09:05:20 PM
TBOS is interesting and I'm not sure where I would rank it.  When it was released I loved it but out of all the reunion albums, I think this one has aged the worst.  The novelty wore off a lot quicker than I expected with this one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 21, 2020, 09:37:23 PM
Just to add something about TFF that I find surprising that it’s almost never brought up: the cover is amazing!!! My 5th favourite (Powerslave, LAD, SiT and 7th Son remain untouchable IMO).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 22, 2020, 12:27:43 AM
Regarding TFF, It is my personal favorite Reunion Era album. I'm fine declaring that AMOLAD is the signature Reunion Era album, but I find TFF warmer to me. I've written about this many times before here. From BNW through AMOLAD, I liked each new album a bit more than the previous one. I never thought they could top AMOLAD.  I find musically TFF is on par with AMOLAD, and I just like the songs a bit more.
The Book Of Souls is the first time in the Reunion Era that I felt an album didn't live up to the previous one.

I'd almost agree with this—the only difference is that I think I'd put BNW slightly ahead of DoD.

Like wolfking, I have a hard time ranking The Book of Souls, although it's safe to say I'd place it below AMOLAD and TFF. There's not anything I specifically find wrong with TBoS, I just don't think it's operating at as high a level. The title track and If Eternity Should Fail are the only ones I'd feel completely confident putting up next to the top half of the previous four albums. It's a pretty consistent album; there's not a bad song on there (although I'm not over the moon about Death or Glory, which feels sort of like a strange quasi-throwback to the No Prayer era). But the overall quality just doesn't feel as high as on the previous two releases at least, and probably the previous four.


Just to add something about TFF that I find surprising that it’s almost never brought up: the cover is amazing!!! My 5th favourite (Powerslave, LAD, SiT and 7th Son remain untouchable IMO).

This is a good point. It's definitely the best cover post-BNW, which itself was the best since Seventh Son upon release. AMOLAD and TBOS had pretty mediocre art, and I've already commented on DoD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 22, 2020, 09:24:36 AM
Having gone through a pretty intense Maiden period a couple months ago, the reunion albums are pretty fresh.  I know for me, for a long time I thought that - except for AMOLAD - each subsequent album was better than the one before.  Now, for me, it seems that the best one is the one I listened to most recently.  I got En Vivo! last weekend and went back to refresh on TFF studio tracks, and man, I love that album.  It's not as dense as AMOLAD, but with more substance and intricacy than BNW.   

It changes from moment to moment, but this is where I am now:

The Final Frontier
Dance Of Death
Book Of Souls
AMOLAD
Brave New World

That's a relative order though; it took a long time, but seeing "For the Greater Good of God" live, then relistening a couple times over the past couple months, AMOLAD really clicked.   So being fourth on THAT list, isn't a bad think at all.  The only album I don't go to much is BNW. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 23, 2020, 05:25:15 PM
Would there be interest in a thread where people took turns doing lists of top 50 (or top xx) Iron Maiden songs? Inspired by the recent activity in this topic, I've been assembling a list of my own, and it's made me realize that there are a lot of different ways one could go with a ranking and at least make a convincing argument for it. Could be pretty interesting to see what different people come up with.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on May 23, 2020, 06:27:34 PM
Managed to squeeze in Dance of Death today when cleaning the kitchen. Did not remember it like that at all. It was my least favorite Maiden album from the reunion era. I disliked at least half the album. But man, might be the best reunion era album. Seems like everything clicked. Not sure why I didn't like it at first. Still can't pinpoint the reason.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 23, 2020, 07:13:37 PM
For me

AMOLAD
Book of Souls
Final Frontier
Dance of Death
Brave New World

BoS and FF are almost a tie. I think I swapped those two back and forth 3 or 4 times before I made up my mind. And BNW is by far my least favorite. Blood Brothers, OOTSP, and the title track start to feel like water torture after awhile.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 23, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
The Death On The Road version of Brave New World is awesome though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 23, 2020, 07:18:51 PM
Managed to squeeze in Dance of Death today when cleaning the kitchen. Did not remember it like that at all. It was my least favorite Maiden album from the reunion era. I disliked at least half the album. But man, might be the best reunion era album. Seems like everything clicked. Not sure why I didn't like it at first. Still can't pinpoint the reason.

Thank you. Listening to Dance Of Death now. I love the album anyway.

You must've had a dirty kitchen. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 23, 2020, 07:20:40 PM
Does anyone else think of Van Halen's Little Guitars when Gates Of Tomorrow starts?


And the pre-chorus to New Frontier is very similar to the prechorus of Michael Kiske's New Horizons, which also included Adrian Smith.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 23, 2020, 07:27:23 PM
I think of Iron Maiden's Lord of the Flies when Gates of Tomorrow starts!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on May 23, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
Managed to squeeze in Dance of Death today when cleaning the kitchen. Did not remember it like that at all. It was my least favorite Maiden album from the reunion era. I disliked at least half the album. But man, might be the best reunion era album. Seems like everything clicked. Not sure why I didn't like it at first. Still can't pinpoint the reason.

Thank you. Listening to Dance Of Death now. I love the album anyway.

You must've had a dirty kitchen. :lol

 :rollin :rollin

Let's just say my wife dislikes the way I cook (but loves the food). To her credit, it does look like a warzone after I'm done.

The "No More Lies" chorus has too many "No More Lies" lines but that's the only weakness I can find on the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 23, 2020, 07:44:45 PM
Face In The Sand 4:15-4:50  :metal


Age Of Innocence 4:10-4:24  :metal
Most of Age Of Innocence has a total TXF feel to it. Not the chorus though.


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 23, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
Face In The Sand 4:15-4:50  :metal Indeed
Also I think this song should began from the 0:33 mark onwards. That part as the real intro would be awesome (and stronger IMO)! That David Gilmour guitar on 1:12 is fantastic also.


Age Of Innocence 4:10-4:24  :metal Incredible... why they don't return to this part one more time on the song? It's so good!
Most of Age Of Innocence has a total TXF feel to it. Not the chorus though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 24, 2020, 03:37:07 AM
Age Of Innocence 4:10-4:24  :metal
Is that the "You can't protect yourself even in your own home" section? I've always though that section is wicked in terms of rhythm and vocal performance. Brilliant and unique.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2020, 04:13:20 AM
Would there be interest in a thread where people took turns doing lists of top 50 (or top xx) Iron Maiden songs? Inspired by the recent activity in this topic, I've been assembling a list of my own, and it's made me realize that there are a lot of different ways one could go with a ranking and at least make a convincing argument for it. Could be pretty interesting to see what different people come up with.

Go for it mate.  I'd have a crack too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 24, 2020, 04:40:25 AM
Would there be interest in a thread where people took turns doing lists of top 50 (or top xx) Iron Maiden songs? Inspired by the recent activity in this topic, I've been assembling a list of my own, and it's made me realize that there are a lot of different ways one could go with a ranking and at least make a convincing argument for it. Could be pretty interesting to see what different people come up with.

I know some of us did a Top 25 Maiden Songs list way back in 2012/2013, but I'd be game for a revisit personally!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2020, 04:42:40 AM
Would there be interest in a thread where people took turns doing lists of top 50 (or top xx) Iron Maiden songs? Inspired by the recent activity in this topic, I've been assembling a list of my own, and it's made me realize that there are a lot of different ways one could go with a ranking and at least make a convincing argument for it. Could be pretty interesting to see what different people come up with.

I know some of us did a Top 25 Maiden Songs list way back in 2012/2013, but I'd be game for a revisit personally!

That's right.  I remember the Bruce Dickinson lists we did, but do remember the Maiden ones vaguely.  Happy to have another crack.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 24, 2020, 04:50:25 AM
Would there be interest in a thread where people took turns doing lists of top 50 (or top xx) Iron Maiden songs? Inspired by the recent activity in this topic, I've been assembling a list of my own, and it's made me realize that there are a lot of different ways one could go with a ranking and at least make a convincing argument for it. Could be pretty interesting to see what different people come up with.

I know some of us did a Top 25 Maiden Songs list way back in 2012/2013, but I'd be game for a revisit personally!

That's right.  I remember the Bruce Dickinson lists we did, but do remember the Maiden ones vaguely.  Happy to have another crack.

Yeah, I barely remember my old list. I'm quite confident mine would wind up being very different this go around. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2020, 04:59:23 AM
Would there be interest in a thread where people took turns doing lists of top 50 (or top xx) Iron Maiden songs? Inspired by the recent activity in this topic, I've been assembling a list of my own, and it's made me realize that there are a lot of different ways one could go with a ranking and at least make a convincing argument for it. Could be pretty interesting to see what different people come up with.

I know some of us did a Top 25 Maiden Songs list way back in 2012/2013, but I'd be game for a revisit personally!

That's right.  I remember the Bruce Dickinson lists we did, but do remember the Maiden ones vaguely.  Happy to have another crack.

Yeah, I barely remember my old list. I'm quite confident mine would wind up being very different this go around. :lol

I'd love to do one, then go back and find the old one and see how it compares.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 24, 2020, 05:08:33 AM
I'd love to do one, then go back and find the old one and see how it compares.

Yeah, same. I just tried to find the old thread and couldn't spot it personally. I do know that my old list was heavily impacted by The X Factor suddenly clicking for me in a big way like a month before I did it, so I'd wager that changes a lot this time around. Still really like that album, but it's since mellowed a wee bit to where I think I can appreciate TXF for its strengths and weaknesses overall.

Also I'm pretty confident Phantom of the Opera will be a lot higher than it was last time. Easily one of the band's finest epics ever, especially when Bruce sings it live. :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2020, 05:10:12 AM
I'd love to do one, then go back and find the old one and see how it compares.

Yeah, same. I just tried to find the old thread and couldn't spot it personally. I do know that my old list was heavily impacted by The X Factor suddenly clicking for me in a big way like a month before I did it, so I'd wager that changes a lot this time around. Still really like that album, but it's since mellowed a wee bit to where I think I can appreciate TXF for its strengths and weaknesses overall.

Also I'm pretty confident Phantom of the Opera will be a lot higher than it was last time. Easily one of the band's finest epics ever, especially when Bruce sings it live. :metal

Many around here know TXF is my fav Maiden album.  It's beautiful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 24, 2020, 05:13:58 AM
I'd love to do one, then go back and find the old one and see how it compares.

Yeah, same. I just tried to find the old thread and couldn't spot it personally. I do know that my old list was heavily impacted by The X Factor suddenly clicking for me in a big way like a month before I did it, so I'd wager that changes a lot this time around. Still really like that album, but it's since mellowed a wee bit to where I think I can appreciate TXF for its strengths and weaknesses overall.

Also I'm pretty confident Phantom of the Opera will be a lot higher than it was last time. Easily one of the band's finest epics ever, especially when Bruce sings it live. :metal

Many around here know TXF is my fav Maiden album.  It's beautiful.

I'm well aware! Pretty sure that your posts at the time were partially responsible for me listening to TXF more and it ultimately clicking! It's still probably in my Top 4 or 5 Maiden albums and I know two or three songs on it are probably still going to be in my Top 10. I just wager it'd be less dominating this go around than I remember it being in my 2013 list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2020, 05:15:13 AM
Nice!  :metal

Let's do it.  425, feel free to start if you wanted to, if you are ready.  I'll start working on a list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 24, 2020, 05:34:11 AM
Nice!  :metal

Let's do it.  425, feel free to start if you wanted to, if you are ready.  I'll start working on a list.

Likewise! Going to be a blast revisiting a lot of Maiden songs I haven't heard in awhile as preparation. :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 24, 2020, 11:05:43 AM
Great, glad to hear you're interested! I'm still finalizing my list, but I should be ready in the next day or two. I'll start the thread then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on May 24, 2020, 11:28:28 AM
I’ll put a top 50 list together...I have a feeling mine is going to vary quite a bit from most.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 24, 2020, 12:17:35 PM
I could probably do a list as well, maybe I did one once before but times have changed so I'd imagine even if I did, it would be a bit different now  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 24, 2020, 05:03:45 PM
Would there be interest in a thread where people took turns doing lists of top 50 (or top xx) Iron Maiden songs? Inspired by the recent activity in this topic, I've been assembling a list of my own, and it's made me realize that there are a lot of different ways one could go with a ranking and at least make a convincing argument for it. Could be pretty interesting to see what different people come up with.

I know some of us did a Top 25 Maiden Songs list way back in 2012/2013, but I'd be game for a revisit personally!

Yeah I actually started it but it might be slightly different now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2020, 07:04:41 PM
So..



Dream Of Mirrors



What does everyone think of this song? I rarely see it mentioned with the best songs of the Reunion Era.

Personally, I think it's cool as hell, and really quite different for them. But why don't I love it?

The live version is damned cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on May 24, 2020, 07:10:59 PM
The live version of Dream of Mirrors is one of my favorite Maiden songs. The crowd brings it to the next level and gives me chills.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2020, 07:35:04 PM
So..



Dream Of Mirrors



What does everyone think of this song? I rarely see it mentioned with the best songs of the Reunion Era.

Personally, I think it's cool as hell, and really quite different for them. But why don't I love it?

The live version is damned cool.

A nice piece of songwriting as usual from Janick.  The middle section is cool as hell with that old school Maiden gallop.  In that section I love that seemingly changes keys from E minor to D minor.  It's debatable if it's a key change but the b flat passing note in that Maidenesque lead melody suggests that well enough.

I do think it's a bit too long for what it needs to be as it's takes too long to get going, and I don't normally have issues with Maiden's repetitive choruses, but this one is borderline.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2020, 07:36:08 PM
I don't normally have issues with Maiden's repetitive choruses, but this one is borderline.

I'm with you on this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2020, 07:44:20 PM
I don't normally have issues with Maiden's repetitive choruses, but this one is borderline.

I'm with you on this.

I think because the chorus double times in the middle it makes it way more apparent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2020, 07:47:12 PM
Yeah, it feels like that chorus is sung over and over again. And I know the whole "repetitive chorus" thing, but I feel it really undermines the song. It's too bad because there is all kinds of greatness here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
You can really hear it was written for Virtual XI.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on May 24, 2020, 08:08:35 PM
The repetition could be so much worse. Too much repetition in music is a pet peeve of mine, but this song gets a pass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2020, 07:13:00 AM
So I made an Iron Maiden Spotify Playlist. It's comprised of songs 5 minutes and under. A few go beyond the 5 minute mark, but I basically wanted a playlist of my favorite shorter songs.

It's my playlist so Gangland is on it and Deja Vu is not. :P
I stayed away from some of the shorter classics like Children Of The Damned, Aces High or Run To The Hills.

Iron Maiden-5 Minutes To Midnight (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/20OSj6sxLcHNuH9IRm5cnT?si=4zzWWW-9QDSfnW5tCfGfYg)


Gangland
Still Life
Flight Of Icarus
Sun And Steel
Back In The Village
Moonchild
The Prophecy
Only The Good Die Young
Public Enema Number One
Fates Warning
No Prayer For The Dying
Run Silent Run Deep
Childhood's End
Judas Be My Guide
Fear Is The Key
Be Quick Or Be Dead
Man On The Edge (live Bruce)
The Fallen Angel
Wildest Dreams
Montesegur
Rainmaker
Different World
The Pilgrim
Mother Of Mercy
Coming Home
Speed Of Light


26 songs, 2 hours
On shuffle, of course.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on May 25, 2020, 07:14:54 AM
I had the chorus melody for Dream of Mirrors in my head for YEARS before I even knew it was Maiden. I must've heard it somewhere and locked it away in my subconscious because it played in my head constantly. Discovering the band/song it belonged to was like getting paroled after a few years in jail.

It's a good song though longer than it needs to be, with an really catchy chorus (that is repeated way too much I agree), and contains a classic clunky Maiden tempo-shift.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on May 25, 2020, 07:16:17 AM
So I made an Iron Maiden Spotify Playlist. It's comprised of songs 5 minutes and under. A few go beyond the 5 minute mark, but I basically wanted a playlist of my favorite shorter songs.

It's my playlist so Gangland is on it and Deja Vu is not. :P
I stayed away from some of the shorter classics like Children Of The Damned, Aces High or Run To The Hills.

Iron Maiden-5 Minutes To Midnight (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/20OSj6sxLcHNuH9IRm5cnT?si=4zzWWW-9QDSfnW5tCfGfYg)

Public Enema Number One
Fates Warning
No Prayer For The Dying
Run Silent Run Deep


No Prayer is a great album I don't care what anyone says. These songs are all excellent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2020, 07:18:30 AM
Dream of Mirror is cool, it just follows a song on the album, The Mercenary, which has a way worse repetitive-chorus problem.

It's also quite badass how it speeds up in the middle and you get to the fast version of the chorus!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 25, 2020, 07:46:32 AM
My IM Top 25, without overthinking:

Still Life
Revelations
Phantom of the Opera
Die with Your Boots On
To Tame a Land
22 Acacia Avenue
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Remember Tomorrow
Flash of the Blade
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Infinite Dreams
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Prodigal Son
The Trooper
Flight of Icarus
Purgatory
Run to the Hills
Strange World
Transylvania
Wasted Years
Powerslave
Where Eagles Dare
Aces High
Children of the Damned
Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2020, 07:48:33 AM
Have you not heard an Iron Maiden album after 1992?? :lol

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 25, 2020, 07:52:18 AM
 :lol

I probably haven't heard a metal album after 1992  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2020, 07:54:49 AM
Alex, you need to fix that, pronto!

The Reunion Era is equal or better than The Classic Era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 25, 2020, 07:57:51 AM
Kidding, bro, I do have the post-reunion stuff (and the Blaze's as well).

Doesn't "move" me much.  :-\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2020, 08:00:41 AM

Doesn't "move" me much.  :-\

They have pills for that, you know.



That doesn't even make sense.




Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 25, 2020, 08:05:24 AM
That doesn't even make sense.

Objectively?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2020, 08:23:06 AM
That doesn't even make sense.

Objectively?  :lol

Positively.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 25, 2020, 05:08:37 PM
The reunion era stuff could use A LOT of trimming.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2020, 06:18:07 PM
Childhoods End and Judas.  2 of Maidens most underrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 25, 2020, 06:40:32 PM
Have you not heard an Iron Maiden album after 1992?? :lol

When TAC calls you out for not being aware of anything since the 90s, you know you are living under a rock or mammoth proportions.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2020, 06:48:02 PM
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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on May 25, 2020, 06:54:09 PM
Why do you suppose they write such repetitive choruses? I haven't really enjoyed Maiden since BNW. Not only.are the choruses repetitive, but the song structures as well. Songs like Caught Somewhere in Time or Seventh Son work better because at least they sing in a different melodic phrasing, but the newer songs are just shouting lines over and over.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
Why do you suppose they write such repetitive choruses? I haven't really enjoyed Maiden since BNW. Not only.are the choruses repetitive, but the song structures as well. Songs like Caught Somewhere in Time or Seventh Son work better because at least they sing in a different melodic phrasing, but the newer songs are just shouting lines over and over.

Honestly, I do think laziness is a factor.  It's not like they can't do it but it does make you wonder at times.  Perhaps they just feel that the repitition is right for the songs.  Maybe they tried other lyrics and melodies and nothing worked so they just said fuck it and kept the one line.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2020, 08:19:24 PM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2020, 08:21:41 PM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.

I think you hit the nail on the head here actually.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 25, 2020, 09:25:49 PM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.

Yeah, this is the key right here. Practically everything Iron Maiden has done since the start of the Reunion era seems to start from Steve's vision of Iron Maiden as a band best experienced in a live setting. Right down to their peculiar productions sounding messy at times.

For example, I am not a fan of The Red & The Black in its studio form... but goddamn was it a blast when I saw the band live on the Book of Souls tour. I'm not sure what exactly it is that changes that makes the song work so much better for me live, but it was a noticeable factor in my experience.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2020, 09:28:24 PM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.

Yeah, this is the key right here. Practically everything Iron Maiden has done since the start of the Reunion era seems to start from Steve's vision of Iron Maiden as a band best experienced in a live setting. Right down to their peculiar productions sounding messy at times.

For example, I am not a fan of The Red & The Black in its studio form... but goddamn was it a blast when I saw the band live on the Book of Souls tour. I'm not sure what exactly it is that changes that makes the song work so much better for me live, but it was a noticeable factor in my experience.

It's possibly my fav on the album, but hot damn seeing it live took it to another level.  It ripped.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 25, 2020, 09:33:20 PM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.

Yeah, this is the key right here. Practically everything Iron Maiden has done since the start of the Reunion era seems to start from Steve's vision of Iron Maiden as a band best experienced in a live setting. Right down to their peculiar productions sounding messy at times.

For example, I am not a fan of The Red & The Black in its studio form... but goddamn was it a blast when I saw the band live on the Book of Souls tour. I'm not sure what exactly it is that changes that makes the song work so much better for me live, but it was a noticeable factor in my experience.

It's possibly my fav on the album, but hot damn seeing it live took it to another level.  It ripped.

Yeah, its pacing was always a big issue for me in the studio version, but for some reason that thing became a monster when I saw it live. Definitely one of the highlights of that show, much to my surprise.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.

Yeah, this is the key right here. Practically everything Iron Maiden has done since the start of the Reunion era seems to start from Steve's vision of Iron Maiden as a band best experienced in a live setting. Right down to their peculiar productions sounding messy at times.

For example, I am not a fan of The Red & The Black in its studio form... but goddamn was it a blast when I saw the band live on the Book of Souls tour. I'm not sure what exactly it is that changes that makes the song work so much better for me live, but it was a noticeable factor in my experience.

It's possibly my fav on the album, but hot damn seeing it live took it to another level.  It ripped.

Yeah, its pacing was always a big issue for me in the studio version, but for some reason that thing became a monster when I saw it live. Definitely one of the highlights of that show, much to my surprise.

I think it had more of groove and rolled better.  Not as stiff as the studio version perhaps.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 25, 2020, 09:52:41 PM
I think it had more of groove and rolled better.  Not as stiff as the studio version perhaps.

That might be it, actually. A big problem for me with the studio version is how it feels like three or four different song ideas that Steve had but hadn't fully figured out how to marry them together. So it feels like it just jumps to different songs with little sense of cohesion.

And listening to a live performance of it on YouTube now, I can definitely hear a more natural, steady groove from Nicko's drumming here. Feels a lot more seamless here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 26, 2020, 01:08:27 AM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.

Yeah, this is the key right here. Practically everything Iron Maiden has done since the start of the Reunion era seems to start from Steve's vision of Iron Maiden as a band best experienced in a live setting.

It's the same reason why hearing The Angel and the Gambler live was not THAT bad after all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on May 26, 2020, 04:13:43 AM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.

Yeah, this is the key right here. Practically everything Iron Maiden has done since the start of the Reunion era seems to start from Steve's vision of Iron Maiden as a band best experienced in a live setting.

It's the same reason why hearing The Angel and the Gambler live was not THAT bad after all.

Nah, I'm sad to say The Angel and the Gambler still is that bad. :lol Watching a live video from 1998 and while it's maybe a hair more tolerable than the studio version, it's still obnoxiously bad.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2020, 05:16:40 AM
The radio edit is bloody excellent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on May 26, 2020, 05:55:02 AM
Have you not heard an Iron Maiden album after 1992?? :lol

When TAC calls you out for not being aware of anything since the 90s, you know you are living under a rock or mammoth proportions.

 :lol


Gotta renew my Kerrang! subscription and find new cassettes for my walkman
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2020, 06:04:14 AM
Kerrang!   :metal :metal :metal

The greatest metal magazine. There were only a handful of places that would stock it, being an import.

And Metal Hammer too. Would've never gotten into Helloween without Metal Hammer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on May 26, 2020, 07:04:07 AM
BW&BK was a pretty cool magazine too! Every month it came with a mixed cd inside; I remember one CD having a live version of Futureal with Bruce singing  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2020, 07:06:24 AM
Nice. I don't think I've actually ever seen a hard copy of Bravewords. But after DTF, their website is the second one I hit daily.


I still have my floppy 45 of Anarchy Divine I got with a Kerrang!.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on May 26, 2020, 07:10:38 AM
I think it got discontinued about 15 years ago. Not sure if it was just a Canadian magazine but it was always available at HMV. I would usually buy it, but it typically had too much growlie shit inside for my liking. But boy does Martin Popoff know his rock and metal. He’s an encyclopedia
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2020, 07:11:35 AM
I have a few of his books.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on May 26, 2020, 07:13:02 AM
I would pay to see a rock/metal jeopardy round between Martin and Brent
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 26, 2020, 09:14:11 AM
Honestly I think Steve envisions the band playing large stadiums and he recognizes the choruses to be chant alongs.

Boom.  Nailed it completely. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 26, 2020, 09:32:33 AM
Just off the cuff, and in chronological order; there are some controversial picks here, but I didn't place them there for that reason:

Strange World
Murders In The Rue Morgue
Another Life*
Children Of The Damned
Number Of The Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name*
Total Eclipse*
Where Eagles Dare*
Still Life
Back In The Village*
Rime Of The Ancient Mariner*
Stranger In A Strange Land
The Clairvoyant*
Tailgunner
From Here To Eternity*
Afraid To Shoot Strangers
Sign Of The Cross
The Angel And The Gambler
Wildest Dreams
Journeyman*
For The Greater Good Of God (sort of a reprentative of a couple songs on the record)
Isle Of Avalon
The Man Who Would Be King
If Eternity Should Fail*
The Red And The Black

The * are likely top 10 songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 29, 2020, 12:05:03 PM
And today, 20th of May: happy birthday to Blaze Bayley and to BRAVE NEW WORLD!  :metal

Unreal to think that, discography-wise, the reunion era was beginning this day TWENTY years ago!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on May 29, 2020, 03:20:10 PM
And today, 20th of May: happy birthday to Blaze Bayley and to BRAVE NEW WORLD!  :metal

Unreal to think that, discography-wise, the reunion era was beginning this day TWENTY years ago!

Brave New World is still my favorite of the reunion albums  :metal

Wicker Man (Running Wild)......what a riff!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2020, 03:40:42 PM
The Final Frontier
Dance Of Death
Book Of Souls
AMOLAD
Brave New World

Wow, that's my EXACT order.  And TFF is my all-time favorite Maiden album.

Would there be interest in a thread where people took turns doing lists of top 50 (or top xx) Iron Maiden songs? Inspired by the recent activity in this topic, I've been assembling a list of my own, and it's made me realize that there are a lot of different ways one could go with a ranking and at least make a convincing argument for it. Could be pretty interesting to see what different people come up with.

We have a really good top 25 thread.  It's a really fun read (personally, I think it really gets good starting around page 11).  I recommend continuing from that one (and just doing as many songs as you like instead of limiting to 25).  But that's only my personal opinion.  If you want to start a new one and do top 50, have at it. 

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36365.0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 29, 2020, 04:38:49 PM
Thank you for reminding me of that thread. I think I'd prefer to start a new one, just for this reason: The OP on that thread is Scorpion, who unfortunately hasn't been present very much on the forum recently. I'd like to be able to manage the OP and thread title to incorporate different people's lists (like putting who is currently ranking in the thread title, and links to the starts of different lists and maybe at some point a composite top 10 in the OP). However, I will link to that thread in the OP of the one I make, and include those lists if I do end up doing a composite top 10 or similar.

Assuming no objections to that, I will probably put up the thread later tonight.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2020, 05:50:53 PM
And today, 20th of May: happy birthday to Blaze Bayley and to BRAVE NEW WORLD!  :metal

Unreal to think that, discography-wise, the reunion era was beginning this day TWENTY years ago!

29th mate.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on May 30, 2020, 12:35:19 AM
My introduction to Iron Maiden was actually through Fozzy, but it was a while before I finally checked them out. It wouldn't be until I walked into a comic store and was introduced to Iced Earth. I believe I bought Dance of Death and The Glorious Burden on the same day. I didn't much care for Dance of Death, so my next IM purchase was Rock in Rio, and then I think it was Brave New World. I listened to BNW the other day, and aside from the repetitive choruses, it still holds up really well.

The Rock in Rio versions are the superior versions though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on May 30, 2020, 02:16:27 PM
I just wanted to get this off my chest regarding Virtual IX and this seems like the place to do it. Virtual IX is really oddball. Doesn't help that the guitar sound suffers from the way it was recorded. I don't think they had yet figured out the best way to do guitar recording with the "new" computer setup. When I 1st got this album, I recall only really liking a few of the songs and thinking that everything else was really poor to terrible. I actually hated, loathed with a passion "Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger". I just thought it was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard. That awkward "om pah" middle section (what is this? metal polka?). That cheesy synth tone over the verses. Ugg I just hated it! Well about 4 months back when I was going through the Maiden catalog when I listened to DLttEoaS something clicked (I think it was the vocal melody) and finally everything "fit" together. I found myself thinking "hey this is not too bad." I actually sort of enjoyed it. Shortly afterward, whenever I heard the song in my head it sounded better each time. Now I can say I absolutely love that song! Everything about it just works for me now. I've completely done a 180 from hating it loving it. In comparison, all the other songs on the album sounded much better too. The only one which still sucks balls is "The Angel and the Gambler". It's never going to improve with age as it hasn't gotten any better for me.

So summing up (tr;dr version): I can enjoy Virtual IX as long as I skip track 2. I'd recommend to anyone, try listening to the whole thing through omitting just that one dreaded track and it's a brand new album. All the other songs come to life in a different way. Yes it's true, one song can ruin an entire album. Just the memory of that song will sour your whole listening experience.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 30, 2020, 03:29:50 PM
Educated Fool is another strong highlight, but Stranger is nice. 

'Om pah' section.  :rollin  that's bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 30, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
I bought Virtual XI when it came out, and went from completely hating it to simply pretending it doesn't exist. Totally not worth anyone's time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 30, 2020, 05:15:24 PM
I'm a big Virtual XI fan, and I'm even a fan of The Angel and the Gambler. There are plenty of worse Iron Maiden songs on plenty of better-loved albums. The Angel and the Gambler's only sin is that there is too much of it. What there is is good and just needs to be in a smaller package.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 31, 2020, 08:11:37 AM
I bought Virtual XI when it came out, and went from completely hating it to simply pretending it doesn't exist. Totally not worth anyone's time.

Well, clearly it is.

I've always enjoyed the entirety of Virtual XI. And I'm with 425 on The Angel and the Gambler (although it's certainly too repetitive and too long).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on May 31, 2020, 08:18:38 AM
Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think Iiii'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Man I just listened to this song again and why
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2020, 08:44:37 AM
Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think Iiii'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Man I just listened to this song again and why


Is that even half of it?

Seriously, it’s almost hard for me to fathom everyone that had to sit in the control room and not one person having the balls to look over at Steve and just say, “Ya know Steve...don’t you think this might be a bit much?”
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on May 31, 2020, 11:26:30 AM
Well let's actually examine the album track by track:
Futureal - Pretty solid cut. It's only crime is sounding a bit too similar to the superior Deja-Vu. Still really not a big deal as Maiden makes a regular habit out of recycling similar riffs and motifs. It just part of their thing. It's been my opinion for some time that you have to accept this approach as "canon" to evenhandedly appraise the entirety of this band's output in any case.
Lightning Strikes Twice - Another solid tune with nice dynamics -- slow atmospheric intro into punchy rocker. Follows pretty well after Futureal*. Worst thing about this one is the chorus: [singing the guitar line] "Strikes Twice!!" [singing the guitar line] "Strikes Twice!!" [singing the guitar line] "Strikes Twice!!" [singing the guitar line] "Strikes Twice!!" It's pretty damn clunky, but doesn't actually ruin the song for me. I dig it. Cool Murray tune.
The Clansman - Actually a good song. Really captures the epic, sweeping cinematic scope of its source inspiration. Pity they ended up calling it what they did. I suppose "I am the Highlander!" just wouldn't have had the same zing.
When Two Worlds Collide - Blaze sounds a bit like Tate doing the softer stuff in the intro doesn't he? Now I admit, this song's a bit underwhelming but is short enough that it doesn't wear out its welcome (something I can't say about >50% of reunion era material). I don't skip it however as I find it still has some charm.
The Educated Fool - Another actual good song only dragged down by the length of the final chorus. Cut that last chorus in half and you have a solid winner.
Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger - See my previous post upthread for more on this. Really a strange tune which is much quirkier than anything the band's done before. I've come to really enjoy this one for what it does now. Even that slow repetitious section works (IMHO) because it builds up with each repetition. It's actually taking us on a little journey from light to more intense -- so it has an actual function in the song other than to bore**.
Como Estais Amigos - This is a great underrated song. A minor (dare I say) ballad with a powerful epic and emotive middle section. Can't really say anything bad about this one. Nice album closer and wonderful little sentimental piece. Not overbloated either.

*I'm sticking with my assertion in my prior post that you have to skip/ignore track 2. No offense intended to those people who actually *shudder* like the song!?!?
**Repetitive chorus are a big drawback with a lot of reunion era material. And yes, it does drag down many a reunion era song too. The difference is Bruce has the charisma and vocal character to pull this sort of shit off, while Blaze is a bit out of his depth trying to make this work most of the time. Could you imagine Blaze singing: "No More Lies! No More Lies! No More Lies! No More Lies!" It's still annoying as hell with Bruce, but with Blaze I'd imagine it would be brutal fucking torture. Not meant as knock against Blaze, who has his own (not always utilized) strengths as a singer. He's just not suited to repeating the same damn line over and over. Bruce can almost pull it off for a lot of the reunion era material. Unfortunately it still makes too many potentially good songs on the last 5 albums a chore to wade through.

Note: After reading other posts following mine it became obvious to me that I got the roman numerals backward in my prior post! An honest mistake. Roman numerals throw me for a loop. I meant Virtual XI.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 31, 2020, 11:57:20 AM
There's not much difference between Lightning Strikes Twice and No More Lies, they're two examples of many of those kinds of songs in the band's catalog.

LST's chorus should have had at the very least a minor difference IMO, just ending the last line with "strikes".

Maybe lightning STRIKES TWICE
Maybe lightning STRIKES TWICE
Maybe lightning STRIKES TWICE
Maybe lightning STRIKES!!!

IT doesn't save the song but at least it changes a bit, and is also something you can let the audience sing.

And Futureal and The Clansman are awesome songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on May 31, 2020, 12:07:52 PM
Actually there is a big difference (to my ears at least) in that "Strikes Twice" are two words that are not sung but shouted. By comparison "No More Lies" is sung with each syllable getting a specific intoned note. That's what makes the former so awkward: he's singing then shouting, singing then shouting. Doesn't really work.

But I get what you're saying about giving the crowd something to chant along with live. Just always seems redundant when listening to the studio album. [edit: in regards to the many songs which contain repetitive choruses]

[further edit: just to be clear its not repetition which I find annoying about LST. It's the mixed singing/shouting nature of the delivery. LST is not what I'd consider an example of an overly repetitive chorus as it goes by fairly quickly]
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on May 31, 2020, 05:20:20 PM
For me 'modern Maiden' (2000s forward but you can add Virtual XI) suffers a bit from a similar thing modern Metallica has suffered from where you have songs that are clearly 5 minute songs in terms of ideas but stretched out to 7, 8 or even 9 minutes. I will agree that The Angel and the Gambler isn't even that bad, heck maybe even pretty decent, but it's clearly not enough ideas to warrant the length. I know it has become pretty much a meme for the whole Blaze Bailey era and it definitely summarizes in 1 song one of the main 'flaws' with the band's songwriting in the 'modern' times but I don't think it's THAT bad.

I guess overall Virtual XI and The X Factor are kinda easily ignored but I would put both The Clansman and The Sign of the Cross in my top15 Maiden songs so I think there's still gems to be found for sure.

 

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2020, 05:26:28 PM
I actually hate the Bruce songs that do it too. That’s the main reason I find BNW to be the weakest of the reunion albums. Too many repetitive choruses.

Repeating the title of the song 4 times is lazy, but tolerable. Doing it 8 or more times gets tedious.  I think there’s only one glaring offender on AMOLAD, which is why it’s my favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2020, 05:28:42 PM
Don't Look To The Eyes Of A Stranger is awesome. I mean, my only complaint is there are way too many "Don't Look to"'s. But that manic instrumental part is one of their coolest things in their discog. I was blown away when I first heard that. It was something really different for them.

At first I feel the vibe is a bit to close to Fear Of The Dark, but there is so much goodness in that song.

The live version is really cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on May 31, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
I actually hate the Bruce songs that do it too. That’s the main reason I find BNW to be the weakest of the reunion albums. Too many repetitive choruses.

Repeating the title of the song 4 times is lazy, but tolerable. Doing it 8 or more times gets tedious.  I think there’s only one glaring offender on AMOLAD, which is why it’s my favorite.

Great post!

I actually agree pretty much 100%. When I got into Maiden in the mid 00s, Brave New World was talked among people I knew as one of their best and this fantastic return to form. I never really saw that. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good album and it has some good songs on it. However compared to AMOLAD which is my favorite out of the reunion albums, that one has long songs but for the most part they all actually feel like long songs where the length of the song was determined by making the song as great as it could be - and not stretching a short song out to make it more 'epic'. When I think about Brave New World I think almost entirely about songs with repeated choruses. Dream of Mirrors and Blood Brothers are EASILY as big offenders of this as The Angel and the Gambler.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2020, 07:58:50 AM
I say this respectfully, since most of this is "taste", but I think SOME of the criticism of "repetitive choruses" is overblown.    Sure, they repeat.   But we're so used to songs that have drums or guitars repeat the same figures over and over while the vocalist takes the song into new territory that when Harris flips the script - in TAATG, the music behind Blaze is "escalating" for lack of a better word - it SEEMS like it's lazy but I don't see it that way.   I'm literally listening to TAATG as I type this, and other than the repeats at the end (around the 7:30 mark) there's a pretty consistent change of music behind Blaze.  And even at that part, kicking in around 8:00 or so, you get the fills in between the repeats, and some keyboard layering.   

I think it depends what you're looking for.  I would have to speculate - something I do not like to do - but if I did, I think that it's probably more indicative of Harris's general... not contempt, but lack of reverence for the vocal spot more than anything else.   I'm still not a fan of Blaze AS A SINGER IN IRON MAIDEN (I understand his other work to be much better, and I understand HIM to be a wonderful guy to the fans and his bandmates), but Virtual XI has only increased in my estimation over the years.  There's nothing on there that I actively dislike.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 01, 2020, 08:02:24 AM
Yeah, the whole idea being The Angel and the Gambler was to have all the ups and downs with the tension always rising up, which would have been maximized in the live setting. Maybe there should have been more variation in the lyrics, or skipping vocals on the slow middle build up.

Imagine the entire middle section of Sign of the Cross, another "let's slow down and build it up until it explodes" part, with Blaze chanting "The sign of the cross" over and over and over alongide the buildup. It would have killed the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on June 01, 2020, 10:33:30 AM
The repetitive chorus syndrome certainly drags many a song down, but I find if it's in a song that has enjoyable parts, it merely lessens it's appeal. As jammindude pointed out, AMoLaD doesn't suffer as much from this, but that doesn't change that I only like maybe 4 songs on that album. Don't know why, but most of that material just doesn't do much for me. I like The Pilgrim, The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg, For the Greater Good of God and Lord of Light and that's about it. Maybe one of these days it will click on a re-listen, but at this point I don't even feel inclined to listen to any of the other songs and will probably skip them next time I'm on a Maiden binge.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on June 01, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
I feel like Harris just has a thing for the 'stadium of people chanting along with epic vocal parts' and ever since Fear of the Dark has kinda been trying to replicate that. And there's really nothing bad about it necessarily, some of the songs really work and others maybe a bit less. While technically not Maiden, I think Bruce's solo tracks Book of Thel and Jerusalem are up there with many of Maiden's best epics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 01, 2020, 06:43:07 PM
Well TBOS was refreshingly short on both repeating choruses and boring acoustic intros, so hopefully they will stick to that for the next album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on June 01, 2020, 08:58:04 PM
I feel like Harris just has a thing for the 'stadium of people chanting along with epic vocal parts' and ever since Fear of the Dark has kinda been trying to replicate that. And there's really nothing bad about it necessarily, some of the songs really work and others maybe a bit less. While technically not Maiden, I think Bruce's solo tracks Book of Thel and Jerusalem are up there with many of Maiden's best epics.

As long as the song has good riffs and melodies it wouldn't completely ruin it for me. The chanting along thing totally makes sense. Apologies if I keep repeating myself. I'm in the mood for some Maiden tonight and I will be skipping all around their catalog listening to whatever strikes my fancy in the moment. Man I love this band! They've become on of my favorites in the past two years. I'll raise my glass to you guys as I listen! Cheers!  [where's the beer emoticon?]

I'd participate in the ranking thread if I did that sort of thing with music. Honestly I hate to even think about any music that way. It just sucks all the joy out of it for me. It also seems like such a pointless task -- like folding clothes or organizing my sock drawer. I'd rather just simply listen to it and enjoy music effortlessly and carefree without thinking: "Hmmm..where does this fall in my rankings?" (No offense intended to those who take pleasure in making lists, different strokes and all that...)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 01, 2020, 09:15:58 PM
I'd participate in the ranking thread if I did that sort of thing with music. Honestly I hate to even think about any music that way. It just sucks all the joy out of it for me. It also seems like such a pointless task -- like folding clothes or organizing my sock drawer. I'd rather just simply listen to it and enjoy music effortlessly and carefree without thinking: "Hmmm..where does this fall in my rankings?" (No offense intended to those who take pleasure in making lists, different strokes and all that...)

I am always amazed (and not in a bad way) when people are able to post their Top 50+ songs/albums, or anything really. DT is my favorite band, I know their catalog better than any other band, and I could easily come up with my top 10 songs, maybe my top 20 if I gave it a few minutes. Beyond that, I can't get caught up with what is my 36th favorite song, and the difference between that and my 49th favorite. I respect and appreciate others who do. It just doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 01, 2020, 09:19:31 PM
It's a bit of a loosely defined exercise with a somewhat false sense of precision, at least to me.

I know what belongs in the top 10, in 11-20, in 21-30, etc., in a pretty loose sense. The rankings within the rough groupings are mostly sort of, "gun to my head, what would I take right now?" I don't treat it so strictly that I would be willing to argue #37 against #39.

It's more a way to talk about some of my favorite songs from a particular band, while having a sense of progression from fringe favorites to top-level choices.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 01, 2020, 10:38:47 PM
It's a bit of a loosely defined exercise with a somewhat false sense of precision, at least to me.

I know what belongs in the top 10, in 11-20, in 21-30, etc., in a pretty loose sense. The rankings within the rough groupings are mostly sort of, "gun to my head, what would I take right now?" I don't treat it so strictly that I would be willing to argue #37 against #39.

It's more a way to talk about some of my favorite songs from a particular band, while having a sense of progression from fringe favorites to top-level choices.

Exactly.  And it's just interesting to see other opinions, and songs getting rated higher than you normally would rate them may make you revisit and get a greater appreciation for them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 02, 2020, 08:14:37 AM
I'd participate in the ranking thread if I did that sort of thing with music. Honestly I hate to even think about any music that way. It just sucks all the joy out of it for me. It also seems like such a pointless task -- like folding clothes or organizing my sock drawer. I'd rather just simply listen to it and enjoy music effortlessly and carefree without thinking: "Hmmm..where does this fall in my rankings?" (No offense intended to those who take pleasure in making lists, different strokes and all that...)

I am always amazed (and not in a bad way) when people are able to post their Top 50+ songs/albums, or anything really. DT is my favorite band, I know their catalog better than any other band, and I could easily come up with my top 10 songs, maybe my top 20 if I gave it a few minutes. Beyond that, I can't get caught up with what is my 36th favorite song, and the difference between that and my 49th favorite. I respect and appreciate others who do. It just doesn't work for me.

I find it a struggle too, but for me, the "fun" is posting the top whatever songs, then realizing I did that four years ago and half the songs are swapped out!   :)    Music is so much a mood thing for me that it's impossible to have anything of any certainty or permanence.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on June 02, 2020, 01:33:00 PM
It's all good everyone.   :hat
But thanks for the various explanations regarding making rankings and lists. Always good to get insight as to why people do things. Had a wonderful Maiden binge last night. Listened to many personal favorites and others with which I wanted become more familiar. I had good timing too -- ran out of beer exactly as Empire of the Clouds (the last song on my list) was wrapping up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on June 02, 2020, 02:32:40 PM
That's awesome. I know all about the running out of beer while rockin out thing.  Glad you had enough to make it through.. 🍻
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 02, 2020, 03:05:29 PM
It is just a way different brains work. For example, when I was about 10 or 11 years old I became obsessed with the role playing football game put out by a company called Strat-O-Matic.  There was a solitaire version of playing the game and during the summer in my spare time I would play every single game of every single team for an entire 16 game season as well as playing all the playoffs and all the way into the Super Bowl. Part of the fun for me at least, was collecting all the stats. I even had a file drawer with the stat sheets from every single game and I compiled them into lists of who had the most yards this season, who was the most valuable player...etc...etc.

Taking it over in the music, I was making a classroom top 10 list once a week going all the way back to the fourth grade. I would make several of these lists and pass them out to classmates. at home, I obsessively keep my CDs in alphabetical and chronological order.

So yes, while I understand that it sometimes hurts to put things in lists (“OMG! I love that song so much it hurts to put it down the list that far!”), there is ultimately a joy to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 02, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
Count me in as well among those who aren't able to come up with long musical lists, I could at best do so with a specific album, but not with an entire carrer. Especially with Iron Maiden, my favorite band that I listen since 1995, for which I wouldn't know how to begin to compare the songs I've heard over all these years. How do I rate The Trooper, a song that I listen to since 25 years, against Empire of the Clouds? how do a 18 minutes long piano ballad ranks above or below a song I heard a gazillion times and that I know inside out to the point that I don't even listen to it anymore, except for live shows, which is a 5 minutes galopping rocker anyway?

And it's not like I'm not without my quirks. For example when I go to work I listen to compilations created as a setlist. I even pick an intro - I fool around with classical music maybe used by the real band or I make it up fooling around with free sound effects I find on Youtube) and I do encores, to the point that I calculate some additional time to pause the playlist before the encore starts. And I carefully pace them so that I can have my favorite songs in the moments where I can't do other stuff on the subway like reading, for example when I'm waiting a commute with another line, that's when I want to make sure I listen to a song I particulary like. And I even change "setlists" from "tour to tour", when new albums come out. In 2017 I made a 20 years anniversary compilation / setlist for Bruce Dickinson's Accident of Birth, and I didn't include any song off Chemical Wedding except for a b-side. Why? because I already knew that in 2018 I would have made a 20 years anniversary compilation for that album, and that I would have listened to it in full. Not even Mike Portnoy thinks that far ahead with the real setlists he creates.

But yet I wouldn't know where to begin to determine which is my 17th favorite song and which is my 21st. Not by myself however, I should do a giant league tornament like Destiny of Chaos does to find out probably  :D

Those who are able, I can however understand the fun that it brings to have such solid bases on which to build around discussions about music  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on June 02, 2020, 08:49:55 PM
Count me in as well among those who aren't able to come up with long musical lists, I could at best do so with a specific album, but not with an entire carrer. Especially with Iron Maiden, my favorite band that I listen since 1995, for which I wouldn't know how to begin to compare the songs I've heard over all these years. How do I rate The Trooper, a song that I listen to since 25 years, against Empire of the Clouds? how do a 18 minutes long piano ballad ranks above or below a song I heard a gazillion times and that I know inside out to the point that I don't even listen to it anymore, except for live shows, which is a 5 minutes galopping rocker anyway?

And it's not like I'm not without my quirks. For example when I go to work I listen to compilations created as a setlist. I even pick an intro - I fool around with classical music maybe used by the real band or I make it up fooling around with free sound effects I find on Youtube) and I do encores, to the point that I calculate some additional time to pause the playlist before the encore starts. And I carefully pace them so that I can have my favorite songs in the moments where I can't do other stuff on the subway like reading, for example when I'm waiting a commute with another line, that's when I want to make sure I listen to a song I particulary like. And I even change "setlists" from "tour to tour", when new albums come out. In 2017 I made a 20 years anniversary compilation / setlist for Bruce Dickinson's Accident of Birth, and I didn't include any song off Chemical Wedding except for a b-side. Why? because I already knew that in 2018 I would have made a 20 years anniversary compilation for that album, and that I would have listened to it in full. Not even Mike Portnoy thinks that far ahead with the real setlists he creates.

But yet I wouldn't know where to begin to determine which is my 17th favorite song and which is my 21st. Not by myself however, I should do a giant league tornament like Destiny of Chaos does to find out probably  :D

Those who are able, I can however understand the fun that it brings to have such solid bases on which to build around discussions about music  :tup

 :tup Great post. The first paragraph goes a long way towards explaining why rankings don't really work for me either. You give examples of two different songs. One tune is really long and has more of a somber mood and is only 5 years old. The other is shorter almost 1/4 the length of the other and completely different more aggresive vibe and is imbued with the nostalgia of all the years spent listening to it going back to more youthful days. They serve completely different functions and cannot really be compared to each other as it's a proverbial apples and oranges situation. They require different moods and mindsets to appreciate. To carry the analogy over to movies maybe one movie is a comedy or a mindless action adventure flick, while another is a serious drama with very sober view towards the human condition. Like take something like Shindler's List vs Terminator 2. So maybe it's possible to overall like one more than the other (rank it higher) you have to be in a different mood or frame of mind to enjoy either one. They are experienced differently by design.

Or maybe a toolbox analogy. In the box of tools there is a hammer, screwdriver, hacksaw, monkeywrench, etc.. . Someone says numerically rate the tools from best to worst. So sure it makes sense that you can do this based on the quality of the tools or which ones you use the most. But the pertinent question would be: What are we going to build/repair? That would be nature dictate which tools are more adequate for the job and which ones will be used the most. We can carry the analogy over to food as well. What's your favorite food? Well, you don't want to have that every meal? Is it for breakfast, dessert? etc.. etc..

Different pieces of music are just to beautiful and unique for me to even consider ranking in list fashion, but it's really cool that people enjoy doing these things and get something out of it; more power to you. And as others have pointed out it can be a good springboard into more nuanced conversation regarding the items in the list. It's fine.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on June 02, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
That's awesome. I know all about the running out of beer while rockin out thing.  Glad you had enough to make it through.. 🍻

Thanks! Glad you can understand the situation  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 02, 2020, 08:58:54 PM
1. Hammer
2. Tape Measure
3. Screwdriver
4. Pliers
5. Drill
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on June 02, 2020, 09:02:38 PM
1. Hammer
2. Tape Measure
3. Screwdriver
4. Pliers
5. Drill

1. Hammer
2. Hammer
3. Hammer
4. Hammer
5. Hammer

 Suddenly everything looks like a nail ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 02, 2020, 09:04:02 PM
Damn repeating.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on June 02, 2020, 09:09:27 PM
Also I didn't even mention what MirrorMask alluded to in his post was if you listen to something too much you may not want to listen to it anymore because you've heard it a "gazillion times". It's like Tom Sawyer. Great song and would probably go at the top of most people's lists but I don't really want to hear it except on the odd occasion. Last night I skipped Aces High, 2 Minutes and Powerslave and listened to everything else on that album for that very reason; because I've heard those songs a TON. I may even think those 3 are superior (I'd have to put them up higher on any list I suppose?) but I don't want to hear them. Law of diminishing return can be very real at times. Another reason why lists don't compute..if I get more enjoyment out of songs lower on the list because they haven't been played to death does that mean they really need to be higher on the list over songs I consider better? Arrg! Hurts my head. So I'll just shut up and listen to the music. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on June 02, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
Damn repeating.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on June 10, 2020, 08:35:37 AM
Just got an e-mail that the show in July I had tickets to is cancelled, as expected. Sucks as it would've been my first Maiden show. Hopefully I'll still be able to catch them in the future.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2020, 04:33:38 PM
I'm sure I sent this before, but I can't help myself.... today marks 12 years from the day I got on stage during Iron Maiden's performance of Heaven Can Wait at the sold out Madison Square Garden.  Easily the best concert moment of my life, not only to be standing and singing along right next to Steve Harris, but being on the MSG stage in front of a sold out crowd while the band's wives were also all on stage.  I just had to capture the video from the bootleg of the show on youtube and add some of my own flare.  Also, this was the infamous power outage during Powerslave show that I got to see unfold while waiting to go on stage so I had an unbelievable and unforgettable experience both before going on stage and when we finally got to be on stage.  I don't think anything can top this moment.   :metal :metal

https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1272656950313062402 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1272656950313062402)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2020, 04:34:46 PM
 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 15, 2020, 09:57:53 PM
Indeed that looks balls out awesome!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
https://wacken-world-wide.com/ (https://wacken-world-wide.com/)

Live streaming their 2018 Wacken performance.  Must not be the whole thing, started with The Red and the Black.  But so far, awesome!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 03, 2020, 06:24:32 AM
I forgot if I've mentioned this before... but the local Fox station (NOT THE CABLE NEWS NETWORK, but the local affiliate station) uses the intro to The Angel And The Gambler as part of one of their promos.  Or a piece of music that sounds very much like TAATG. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
Anyone looking at this book? It seems interesting. Adrian seems like such a great guy. I think I'd rather read Adrian talking about fishing than Bruce talking about himself (yawn).

http://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-guitarist-adrian-smith-receives-first-copy-of-fishing-memoir-monsters-of-river-rock-unboxing-video
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 20, 2020, 07:02:40 AM
I don't care about fishing, but I'd read it for the other stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 20, 2020, 08:03:31 AM
I don't care about fishing, but I'd read it for the other stuff.

 I'm sure there'll be a lot of bass talk in the book. *wink wink*
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on August 20, 2020, 11:30:06 PM
Anyone looking at this book? It seems interesting. Adrian seems like such a great guy. I think I'd rather read Adrian talking about fishing than Bruce talking about himself (yawn).

http://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-guitarist-adrian-smith-receives-first-copy-of-fishing-memoir-monsters-of-river-rock-unboxing-video

As he is my favorite guitarist, I will be buying this. I see it as akin to Neil Peart's books. I will buy out of sheer appreciation of the musician and person.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 24, 2020, 06:35:08 PM
Hey, people who know Maiden better than me.... what's the best/your favorite live release, just in terms of audio, not the DVD package? I assume Live After Death would be a heavily favored #1 (correct me if I am wrong); if so, aside from that one? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
You realize you're going to get 10 different answers right? :lol


Live After Death is certainly the classic choice. I'd start there, live wise.


Rock In Rio, Death On The Road, En Vivo, and Live Chapter are weighed heavy by their particular album cycle they're touring.


I'm in the minority, but I personally like Death On The Road the best. It's the only one of the four Reunion Albums not recorded in front of an entire fucking country of people. It's an arena show, and I like the way the crowd is mixed with the songs, really lifting up the songs themselves. The versions of songs like Hallowed and Fear Of The Dark have an incredible energy.

Spotify, or Youtube, is your friend.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 24, 2020, 06:50:48 PM
You realize you're going to get 10 different answers right? :lol


Live After Death is certainly the classic choice. I'd start there, live wise.


Rock In Rio, Death On The Road, En Vivo, and Live Chapter are weighed heavy by their particular album cycle they're touring.


I'm in the minority, but I personally like Death On The Road the best. It's the only one of the four Reunion Albums not recorded in front of an entire fucking country of people. It's an arena show, and I like the way the crowd is mixed with the songs, really lifting up the songs themselves. The versions of songs like Hallowed and Fear Of The Dark have an incredible energy.


Spotify, or Youtube, is your friend.
I agree. The arena made a big difference, plus you get Paschendale and DoD. And while I'm fond of LAD, it was a monumental concert for me, they recorded it too late in the tour. Bruce wasn't up to snuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 24, 2020, 07:55:07 PM
You realize you're going to get 10 different answers right? :lol

I did, which is one of the great things about the band. Different people would have different opinions, and I wanted to hear different perspectives. 

Spotify, or Youtube, is your friend.

I've been checking them out, again, just curious about others' thoughts.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 24, 2020, 08:40:12 PM
If we just stick to the CD and not include the video of these concerts, personally, I'd go with Rock in Rio.  I may be biased because that album, and specifically the Fear of the Dark performance really is what made me a die hard fan.  I didn't get the DVD until a bit later to realize how shitty the video was, but the CD quality and crowd energy is amazing.  But some of this comes down to which albums you like the best.  RiR heavily features Brave New World plus has a couple Blaze songs.  I think a lot of old school fans will say LAD because it was monumental at the time, but I didn't love that when compared to more recent releases that I already had (RiR and DotR).  It's certainly a great live album and deserves it's recognition, but if you want strict audio, I'd probably choose Flight 666 over it.  Even for video, I'd choose Flight 666.  LAD is awesome though, I don't mean any of this as a negative, just think the band and production got better in the more recent years.  Fantastic album for the time though.  You really can't go wrong with any of the ones I've mentioned. 

If you told me you loved a certain album, it might lead to a better recommendation though.  En Vivo is awesome for example but if you weren't a fan of TFF I wouldn't recommend it first.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 24, 2020, 08:43:30 PM
Well Live After Death is the greatest live album of all time (imo), just can't see where you can go wrong with that. To me it just has a certain magic that the more recent releases don't have.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 24, 2020, 08:54:56 PM
I've always been partial to Maiden England, myself. Killers is just crackin' on that thing. Also probably one of the more unique classic lineup setlists. I liked it so much I had ripped the audio off of my VHS long before they finally re-released the show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 24, 2020, 09:30:48 PM
Yeah, I agree with Maiden England. Definitely my second fav after Live After Death. I had both those releases on VHS and watched them so much I wore out the tapes. What are the views of Bruce on Maiden England? With this stage banter, he kind of comes across like he had a few drinks before the show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2020, 10:19:17 PM
Yep Maiden England for me.

Beast Over Hammersmith is incredible too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 24, 2020, 10:48:53 PM
Yep Maiden England for me.

Beast Over Hammersmith is incredible too.

I think this still comes down to what album/s you really like, these are all excellent choices for their era
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 25, 2020, 08:07:52 AM
Honestly, for me, the live albums are divided into two buckets:  The ones that are a complete show (or mimic a complete show) - The Beast Over Hammersmith, Live After Death - or the ones that are a compilation (with fades in between each song) - Flight 666, A Real Live Dead One.

The rest of the discussion is as said here: what album/era do you like best?

For me, the top three are:  Beast Over Hammersmith, Death On The Road, and En Vivo!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 25, 2020, 10:05:29 AM
Honestly, for me, the live albums are divided into two buckets:  The ones that are a complete show (or mimic a complete show) - The Beast Over Hammersmith, Live After Death - or the ones that are a compilation (with fades in between each song) - Flight 666, A Real Live Dead One.

The rest of the discussion is as said here: what album/era do you like best?

For me, the top three are:  Beast Over Hammersmith, Death On The Road, and En Vivo!
Yeah, I didn't really think of F666 as a live show, but I suppose it is. I've certainly got a soft spot for that one as I was at one of the shows.

And speaking of overlooked live shows, there are a couple of unofficial ones that are excellent, to. The Ulevi show is fantastic (another tour I was most fortunate to see), and the Puerto Allegre show is also very good. Puerto Allegre is also an arena show, and while I hadn't actually thought of it until Tim brought it up, that really does make a big difference in the quality of the gig.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 25, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
F666 is special to me as it was the first new IM album I got after becoming a fan. Yes, I was late to the party. Otherwise I would normally like a full show from a single night (or nights from the same venue spliced in to one to resemble one night). 

I'd rank the IM in tiers:

TNotB/PoM/PS
Reunion era
- AMOLAD
- BNW-DOD-BOS

- TFF

Iron Maiden
Killers

SiT/SSoaSS

NPftD/FotD/TXF/VXI
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2020, 08:22:09 PM
While I prefer my live albums to be single shows, I'm fine with F666 as it is. It's technically a soundtrack to what might be one of the best rock and roll documentaries ever made. And in that vain, I'm fine with it being from different shows. It does maintain the integrity of the setlist running order, so it's all good.

I've recommended this film to non Maiden fans, and they've been blown away by the film.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
and the Puerto Allegre show is also very good.

I watched the shit out of that show when it first appeared. Pretty sure I have a copy on DVD. It is indeed awesome.

And I've said it many times before, but the video footage of Death On The Road is the most glorious footage of the band ever shot. Too bad, I can't watch more than a couple songs at a time without having a damn seizure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 25, 2020, 09:39:23 PM
I'll have to check out this Puerto show.  Don't think I've seen it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 26, 2020, 06:33:37 AM
I'll have to check out this Puerto show.  Don't think I've seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv2LtoZrGdE
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 27, 2020, 03:55:52 AM
I'll have to check out this Puerto show.  Don't think I've seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv2LtoZrGdE

Noted.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 28, 2020, 01:01:13 PM
While you're all discussing live albums, don't mind me as I casually drop by this Trooper "duel" between the acoustic guitar of Thomas Zwijsen (that guy that does all things acoustic on YouTube) and the electric guitar of Nita Strauss (Alice Cooper).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXjsXNWyZ1E
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 28, 2020, 01:56:53 PM
Wonder if the band are doing anything.... Been silent all lockdown. But then, they're not a chatty band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 28, 2020, 02:02:10 PM
Wonder if the band are doing anything.... Been silent all lockdown. But then, they're not a chatty band.

There are those that believe their next album has been in the can for a year already.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 28, 2020, 09:57:52 PM
Wonder if the band are doing anything.... Been silent all lockdown. But then, they're not a chatty band.
They've still got dates scheduled for the Legacy tour. Middle of 2021 they're in Europe, and I believe the land of Oz.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2020, 01:20:08 AM
Wonder if the band are doing anything.... Been silent all lockdown. But then, they're not a chatty band.
They've still got dates scheduled for the Legacy tour. Middle of 2021 they're in Europe, and I believe the land of Oz.

I hope. I wonder if they're already thinking of a plan B. I know that the guys are filthy rich and they can live off royalties for the rest of their life, but it sucks that we're getting robbed of the last years of their carrer by the pandemic.

In a Covid free world, we'd just be talking about the pointless third leg of the Legacy of the Beast tour (who am I kidding, I would have gone and seen it, and I mean SEEN it, I saw the show in a flat arena and saw more through the camera than with my own eyes, the other show would have been in a place with slopes where I could actually SEE everything) and discussing the info we have about the new album - if it wasn't already released by now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 29, 2020, 03:31:00 AM
I'll have to check out this Puerto show.  Don't think I've seen it.

Porto Alegre.


Rumor has it that Maiden will soon announce a live show recorded in Mexico during the Legacy of the Beast tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2020, 07:01:23 AM
I had been kicking around a little "Legacy of the Stadler Tour" of my own next summer, going to Slovakia, Poland, and hopefully the Czech Republic, Austria, and the Ukraine (if I could swing immigration), where my families are from.   I was going to coordinate it so that I could see Maiden while there.   Those plans are, for obvious reasons, up in the air.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ShadowWalker on September 29, 2020, 08:04:26 AM
Rumor has it that Maiden will soon announce a live show recorded in Mexico during the Legacy of the Beast tour.

Eh... I would buy it because I have everything else they have done, but I doubt it would get very many spins beyond the initial one. It was a great tour, one that I saw four shows of, but considering almost everything, I believe, appears on previous live releases (and most likely in better versions), this one really is redundant.

Now if they finally put out the the "A Matter of the Beast" show that was recorded so we can get some more live versions from AMOLAD, that would have me a lot more excited.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2020, 08:19:38 AM
Didn't they actually record Donington but scrapped it because it was too dark or whatever?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 29, 2020, 08:21:26 AM
I'll have to check out this Puerto show.  Don't think I've seen it.

Porto Alegre.


Rumor has it that Maiden will soon announce a live show recorded in Mexico during the Legacy of the Beast tour.
Obviously I'd be interested in such a thing, but I know they didn't film it. It'd have to be a live album and not a video, which is odd nowadays.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ShadowWalker on September 29, 2020, 09:12:46 AM
I'll have to check out this Puerto show.  Don't think I've seen it.

Porto Alegre.


Rumor has it that Maiden will soon announce a live show recorded in Mexico during the Legacy of the Beast tour.
Obviously I'd be interested in such a thing, but I know they didn't film it. It'd have to be a live album and not a video, which is odd nowadays.

They did stream the Rock n Rio performance. As a pro-shot, that could be released.

And the Book Of Souls: Live Chapter was a live album only with no DVD/Blu-ray companion. So it is not out of the realm of possibilities...

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
I'll have to check out this Puerto show.  Don't think I've seen it.

Porto Alegre.


Rumor has it that Maiden will soon announce a live show recorded in Mexico during the Legacy of the Beast tour.
Obviously I'd be interested in such a thing, but I know they didn't film it. It'd have to be a live album and not a video, which is odd nowadays.

They did stream the Rock n Rio performance. As a pro-shot, that could be released.

And the Book Of Souls: Live Chapter was a live album only with no DVD/Blu-ray companion. So it is not out of the realm of possibilities...

If memory serves, there was a limited time, download only video version of The Book Of Souls: Live Chapter.  I don't know any details, like whether the performances are the same or not, but it DOES exist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 29, 2020, 01:49:04 PM
I'll have to check out this Puerto show.  Don't think I've seen it.

Porto Alegre.


Rumor has it that Maiden will soon announce a live show recorded in Mexico during the Legacy of the Beast tour.
Obviously I'd be interested in such a thing, but I know they didn't film it. It'd have to be a live album and not a video, which is odd nowadays.

They did stream the Rock n Rio performance. As a pro-shot, that could be released.

And the Book Of Souls: Live Chapter was a live album only with no DVD/Blu-ray companion. So it is not out of the realm of possibilities...

If memory serves, there was a limited time, download only video version of The Book Of Souls: Live Chapter.  I don't know any details, like whether the performances are the same or not, but it DOES exist.
Yep, there does appear to be such a thing on YT. The same seizure inducing video we always see. Interestingly, every song was from a different venue, so it seems they're just using their own in-house video production. Perhaps they got all the footage they needed from the Mexico gigs without a bunch of cameras all over the place. Man, I'd love to see a pro-shot video from those three nights.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 30, 2020, 01:23:50 PM
A little update from Bruce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voG5iJTpPpo&ab_channel=IronMaiden
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 30, 2020, 03:43:35 PM
A little update from Bruce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voG5iJTpPpo&ab_channel=IronMaiden

So cool. Feeling slightly down today. Just listening to Bruce's reassurances lifted my spirits considerably. I feel much better. Thank you Bruce! And thanks to you sir for posting this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 30, 2020, 03:47:33 PM
I don't know what I like better, the pinball machine or the shirt.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 30, 2020, 03:52:32 PM
Very cool, but he seems so old now and it's sad.  I can't wait to see IM again and I'm so happy I took the trip to see them a 3rd time in Connecticut last summer.  I hope it won't be the last time, but if it ends up being the end, at least I can know I saw them with all my abilities.  Granted, none of that video leads you to believe it's the end, but who knows what will happen, who knows their health and who knows whether they will ever come back to the US. I'll be there if they do.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2020, 04:30:34 PM
Cool vid.  Great to hear they are keen to get back to business!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2020, 04:31:34 PM
Very cool, but he seems so old now and it's sad.  I can't wait to see IM again and I'm so happy I took the trip to see them a 3rd time in Connecticut last summer.  I hope it won't be the last time, but if it ends up being the end, at least I can know I saw them with all my abilities.  Granted, none of that video leads you to believe it's the end, but who knows what will happen, who knows their health and who knows whether they will ever come back to the US. I'll be there if they do.

Unfortunately, no one can escape Father Time.  I thought he was looking great personally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2020, 04:35:19 PM
I appreciate the update.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on September 30, 2020, 04:37:48 PM
I don't know what I like better, the pinball machine or the shirt.

For me it's the shirt. I think I'll buy one (https://middleofbeyond.com/collections/button-up/products/iron-maidenshort-sleeve-button-up-shirt?variant=1692846260254).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2020, 04:39:40 PM
I don't know what I like better, the pinball machine or the shirt.

For me it's the shirt. I think I'll buy one (https://middleofbeyond.com/collections/button-up/products/iron-maidenshort-sleeve-button-up-shirt?variant=1692846260254).

Nice! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2020, 05:02:00 PM
I don't know what I like better, the pinball machine or the shirt.

For me it's the shirt. I think I'll buy one (https://middleofbeyond.com/collections/button-up/products/iron-maidenshort-sleeve-button-up-shirt?variant=1692846260254).

Outstanding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 30, 2020, 06:05:17 PM
That's a nice shirt indeed.  $55.00 though..... and I don't know if we need to pay more for shipping......
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 30, 2020, 06:29:05 PM
All this talk about the shirt and the pinball machine - what about the hair! Yes, its grey but its long! Of course Bruce is getting older but he looks really fit and in good spirits to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
All this talk about the shirt and the pinball machine - what about the hair! Yes, its grey but its long! Of course Bruce is getting older but he looks really fit and in good spirits to me.

I'm envious of his hair.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 01, 2020, 03:54:26 AM
what about the hair! Yes, its grey but its long!

Love the way he's absolutely owning the grey. That's the way to do it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2020, 04:05:43 AM
Bruce reassuring that there's more Iron Maiden to come is what the world needs right now.

I'm midly curious about what he means that "he's working with Steve Harris" on something... not the guys, but Steve specifically. And why the most obvious answer, new album - he said they're writing anyway - would need to specify he's working with Steve Harris? maybe he's editing / producing or whatever the rumored Legacy of the Beast video release.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
Bruce reassuring that there's more Iron Maiden to come is what the world needs right now.

I'm midly curious about what he means that "he's working with Steve Harris" on something... not the guys, but Steve specifically. And why the most obvious answer, new album - he said they're writing anyway - would need to specify he's working with Steve Harris? maybe he's editing / producing or whatever the rumored Legacy of the Beast video release.

Yeah, I thought some sort of live release.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on October 01, 2020, 05:33:26 AM
That's a nice shirt indeed.  $55.00 though..... and I don't know if we need to pay more for shipping......

$55.00 isn't bad. The shipping was only $5.00. That's actually really good.

I think Amazon Prime is spoiling us.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2020, 08:16:34 AM
Officially announced! new Maiden live album recorded in Mexico!!!

https://www.ironmaiden.com/news/article/iron-maiden-live-album-coming-november-20th

Their most spectacular, theatrical and scenic tour ever....... and they release the audio from it. Sounds legit.  ::)

(But I believe the rationale is "if people can watch it from their living room they won't come to watch it in person next year").
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2020, 08:21:54 AM
Officially announced! new Maiden live album recorded in Mexico!!!

https://www.ironmaiden.com/news/article/iron-maiden-live-album-coming-november-20th

Their most spectacular, theatrical and scenic tour ever....... and they release the audio from it. Sounds legit.  ::)

(But I believe the rationale is "if people can watch it from their living room they won't come to watch it in person next year").
Again, they didn't film it. I've got no reason to doubt that this release was a "spur of the moment" thing. And as I think back, they didn't have their own video working because it was, as Maiden always does, traditional backdrops. CDMX gave them a good opportunity for a live album as there were three shows to pull from. That said, it does seem odd that they didn't plan on filming any show from the tour. Perhaps they were waiting for one of the later European gigs, or Oz.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2020, 08:24:17 AM
Yeah, not visually documenting THIS tour out of all tours is insane. Even for posterity, we all know that the day Maiden will retire will NOT be the day Maiden releases will end.
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Post by: devieira73 on October 01, 2020, 08:30:14 AM
What a beautiful cover! And yes, I hope Maiden releases a blu-ray from this tour in the future.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 01, 2020, 08:36:05 AM
Wonderful, wonderful news. I had some pretty severe health problems last year, which disrupted a lot of things in my life. One of the disappointments from that was that I wasn't able to see this tour, which I badly wanted to see, especially since they played both Sign of the Cross and For the Greater Good of God, both rarities and top 10 Maiden songs for me. And Revelations, also top 10. And The Clansman, the song that got me into metal. Man, I forgot how stacked this setlist was. Really looking forward to this release.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2020, 08:39:32 AM
Wonderful, wonderful news. I had some pretty severe health problems last year, which disrupted a lot of things in my life. One of the disappointments from that was that I wasn't able to see this tour, which I badly wanted to see, especially since they played both Sign of the Cross and For the Greater Good of God, both rarities and top 10 Maiden songs for me. And Revelations, also top 10. And The Clansman, the song that got me into metal. Man, I forgot how stacked this setlist was. Really looking forward to this release.
One of the odd things about releasing this run of shows is that the songs you mentioned didn't go over so well in CDMX. It was kind of apparent that the Mexicans weren't very knowledgeable of the Blaze stuff and the newer stuff. They weren't quiet, by any means. There was a noticeable dropoff from the more well known songs, though. In other places those were highlights. Certainly for me, at least.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on October 01, 2020, 08:56:35 AM
Dang, I'm more interested in a Blu-Ray or 4k release.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 01, 2020, 09:01:20 AM
One of the odd things about releasing this run of shows is that the songs you mentioned didn't go over so well in CDMX. It was kind of apparent that the Mexicans weren't very knowledgeable of the Blaze stuff and the newer stuff. They weren't quiet, by any means. There was a noticeable dropoff from the more well known songs, though. In other places those were highlights. Certainly for me, at least.

Huh, that seems to make this a strange choice, then. Still, I'd buy a recording of them playing those songs to an empty auditorium, so I doubt I'll be too badly disappointed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 01, 2020, 09:13:33 AM
Wonderful, wonderful news. I had some pretty severe health problems last year, which disrupted a lot of things in my life. One of the disappointments from that was that I wasn't able to see this tour, which I badly wanted to see, especially since they played both Sign of the Cross and For the Greater Good of God, both rarities and top 10 Maiden songs for me. And Revelations, also top 10. And The Clansman, the song that got me into metal. Man, I forgot how stacked this setlist was. Really looking forward to this release.
One of the odd things about releasing this run of shows is that the songs you mentioned didn't go over so well in CDMX. It was kind of apparent that the Mexicans weren't very knowledgeable of the Blaze stuff and the newer stuff. They weren't quiet, by any means. There was a noticeable dropoff from the more well known songs, though. In other places those were highlights. Certainly for me, at least.

It was weird in Hartford (and Marc can weigh in; he was there).   For me, Sign Of The Cross was a highlight, but it was a visual and sensory highlight, not really a musical one.  MUSICALLY, the place went INSANE for Number Of The Beast.  I can't name too many more experiences like the energy I felt during that song in that show.  We were in a shed, which is a sterile place to see a show, relatively, and yet it was electric during that song.  I can only imagine what that was like in South America.   

Sidebar, only remotely relevant, but I was watching Pearl Jam's Live At The Garden DVD, and after "Do The Evolution", a roadie came out on the stage and told Eddie that only three other bands have shaken the entire building like that:  Bruce, The Dead, and Iron Maiden, and McCready broke out a little "Number Of The Beast".   Further sidebar, I was there for Harry Styles, and those teenage girls actually made the place shake too.  Uncomfortable feeling.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2020, 09:32:50 AM
Like I said, they weren't quiet or subdued by any means. I suppose compared to US crowds they were still a lot more lively. Like Stadler said, just nowhere near how excited they were for Trooper or Number or something. This was night 3, the show I caught. You're not going to get that kind of energy in Dallas, but from down in the middle of it it almost seemed like a respite from Midnight or Trooper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lbh2aOpgyE
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 01, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
Like I said, they weren't quiet or subdued by any means. I suppose compared to US crowds they were still a lot more lively. Like Stadler said, just nowhere near how excited they were for Trooper or Number or something. This was night 3, the show I caught. You're not going to get that kind of energy in Dallas, but from down in the middle of it it almost seemed like a respite from Midnight or Trooper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lbh2aOpgyE

Besides getting to hear Flight of Icarus (My childhood Maiden song), The Clansman was the highlight of the show for me. Surprisingly, our show had good participation for that song, was great too actually hear a loud "FREEDOOOM" from the crowd.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 01, 2020, 11:49:14 AM
A little update from Bruce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voG5iJTpPpo&ab_channel=IronMaiden

So cool. Feeling slightly down today. Just listening to Bruce's reassurances lifted my spirits considerably. I feel much better. Thank you Bruce! And thanks to you sir for posting this.
:tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Maybe i'm the grumpy one but I feel like Maiden keeps releasing the same live album every 2 years or so with like 3-4 songs switched around, but even then they're not exactly deep cuts or anything. I guess I can't blame them for playing it safe and playing the same classics on every tour but part of me wishes they would have been a bit more ballsy with the setlists. At the very least if you wanna release a live show you can make the setlist for that one a bit more interesting imo. :p
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 01, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Like I said, they weren't quiet or subdued by any means. I suppose compared to US crowds they were still a lot more lively. Like Stadler said, just nowhere near how excited they were for Trooper or Number or something. This was night 3, the show I caught. You're not going to get that kind of energy in Dallas, but from down in the middle of it it almost seemed like a respite from Midnight or Trooper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lbh2aOpgyE

I saw you!    :)

Were there really 60,000 people there?  It's hard to tell even with the pan back.   

This is as long as I've ever gone without a concert and I watched that and was almost salivating. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 01, 2020, 12:40:17 PM
Maybe i'm the grumpy one but I feel like Maiden keeps releasing the same live album every 2 years or so with like 3-4 songs switched around, but even then they're not exactly deep cuts or anything. I guess I can't blame them for playing it safe and playing the same classics on every tour but part of me wishes they would have been a bit more ballsy with the setlists. At the very least if you wanna release a live show you can make the setlist for that one a bit more interesting imo. :p

Well, it would require them to do something like Rush or Devin, and make the CD be the event itself, rather than the documentary of the 'tour'. 

I am of two minds.  I understand that idea that they are 40 years in, they can start playing "Still Life" or "Prodigal Son" now and again, but after the last tour, where THE single biggest reaction was for the song that is the second-most played song in their entire catalogue, it sort of dawned on me that they're not going to change, and I'm not sure I want them to.  The event is the moment, and even though I've witnessed Bruce do that scream more times than I can count, it still gave me chills in person (especially knowing what I know about Bruce over the two years or so before).   Other than the "album" vs. the "legacy" tours they do (I've seen both) I know what I'm going to get and I go.  Maiden is probably the only "must see, each tour" band I listen to anymore and it's because for two hours I'm going to get blown away.   I'd hate to trade that for a CD that is already only half the experience.   

Not saying you're wrong, just offering a different approach.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2020, 12:56:08 PM
Maybe i'm the grumpy one but I feel like Maiden keeps releasing the same live album every 2 years or so with like 3-4 songs switched around, but even then they're not exactly deep cuts or anything. I guess I can't blame them for playing it safe and playing the same classics on every tour but part of me wishes they would have been a bit more ballsy with the setlists. At the very least if you wanna release a live show you can make the setlist for that one a bit more interesting imo. :p

Well, it would require them to do something like Rush or Devin, and make the CD be the event itself, rather than the documentary of the 'tour'. 

I am of two minds.  I understand that idea that they are 40 years in, they can start playing "Still Life" or "Prodigal Son" now and again, but after the last tour, where THE single biggest reaction was for the song that is the second-most played song in their entire catalogue, it sort of dawned on me that they're not going to change, and I'm not sure I want them to.  The event is the moment, and even though I've witnessed Bruce do that scream more times than I can count, it still gave me chills in person (especially knowing what I know about Bruce over the two years or so before).   Other than the "album" vs. the "legacy" tours they do (I've seen both) I know what I'm going to get and I go.  Maiden is probably the only "must see, each tour" band I listen to anymore and it's because for two hours I'm going to get blown away.   I'd hate to trade that for a CD that is already only half the experience.   

Not saying you're wrong, just offering a different approach.

It's a valid point. I remember a while ago reading an interview with a musician about song selection (I forget who it was) and basically he made the point "Every show is some fan's first live experience of seeing us, and by not playing certain songs we might rob them of the experience that other fans have had for years". And I think you gotta take that into consideration. For some fans, it's their 58th time seeing Iron Maiden and they are hoping to get a deep cut Blaze-era song like The Aftermath or maybe for Maiden to finally bust out Alexander the Great, but then you got some kid who just got into the band who really wants to hear Run to the Hills or Number of the Beast because he hasn't experienced those live.

You can't really please everyone yet I still feel Maiden lean a bit too much on the 'safe' side. :p I feel like they could easily play a show that's 1/3 hit songs, 1/3 classics-but-not-always-played (so songs you might get every other or every third tour that rotates) and 1/3 deep cuts/surprises that you won't expect. But I know it's mostly just wishful thinking on my end. :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 01, 2020, 12:57:51 PM
Maybe i'm the grumpy one but I feel like Maiden keeps releasing the same live album every 2 years or so with like 3-4 songs switched around, but even then they're not exactly deep cuts or anything. I guess I can't blame them for playing it safe and playing the same classics on every tour but part of me wishes they would have been a bit more ballsy with the setlists. At the very least if you wanna release a live show you can make the setlist for that one a bit more interesting imo. :p

I don't really see this? Their last live album was in 2017, and that was very different from this one because it was 1/3 Book of Souls songs. The last one before that was in 2012 (I don't count Maiden England, because that was mostly just a re-release), which was 1/3 The Final Frontier songs. This one has several deep cuts, including some that have been on live albums before, like Sign of the Cross and The Clansman, but hardly ones they regularly release.

There are artists that I would say pump out live albums maybe a little too frequently—most Mike Portnoy projects would apply here. But with how good Maiden is live, and with genuine variation in their setlists (I get not as much as some would like, but they would also have a riot on their hands if they cut all of Beast, Fear, Trooper, 2MTM and Hallowed), I think this is just the right frequency for live releases. Three very different ones in 10 years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2020, 12:58:57 PM
Actually it's the core of staples that never changes. If you go to see them tour after your, you do get a rarity here and there and a different set each time.

Sure, the "rarity" is still a moderately famous song, and not a tune that not even the band members remember anymore but the hardcore fan knows from memory. And sure, here and there you'll find head scratching choices (Why always bringing back Wrathchild? why no Still Life for Maiden England? why no 22 Acacia Avenue for the early days?), but in the long run, you notice the diversity in the setlists.

I mean - you go to a show, you get The Trooper, The Number of the Beast and 2 Minutes to Midnight, and Wrathchild if you're unlucky  :D you go to see them some times over the course of 2008-2014, you get to see Powerslave, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, The Clairvoyant, The Prisoner and Phantom of the Opera. Without counting the best songs from the new album they happen to throw in.

And as Stadler pointed out, there's no going around it, it's always those same songs that get the biggest reaction. At my show in Italy Sign of the Cross and ESPECIALLY The Clansman went down very well, but the earth-shaking, the-walls-are-coming-down roars will always be reserved for The Trooper, The Number of the Beast and Fear of the Dark.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2020, 01:08:08 PM
Like I said, they weren't quiet or subdued by any means. I suppose compared to US crowds they were still a lot more lively. Like Stadler said, just nowhere near how excited they were for Trooper or Number or something. This was night 3, the show I caught. You're not going to get that kind of energy in Dallas, but from down in the middle of it it almost seemed like a respite from Midnight or Trooper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lbh2aOpgyE

I saw you!    :)

Were there really 60,000 people there?  It's hard to tell even with the pan back.   

This is as long as I've ever gone without a concert and I watched that and was almost salivating.
Where'd you get 60k? Official capacity is 26k, but that wouldn't be for an end stage layout. The article said 70k, and twenty three and a half would be just about right over 3 nights. The video is misleading because there aren't a ton of seats in the balconies, and the surface area isn't as great as a typical US arena. It's also circular instead of the more commonplace ovals for US sports. Across the street is the Foro Sol, and that's good for 55k. A popular band plays one night there or three nights in the sports palace (or multiples thereof).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 01, 2020, 01:13:27 PM
Actually it's the core of staples that never changes. If you go to see them tour after your, you do get a rarity here and there and a different set each time.

Sure, the "rarity" is still a moderately famous song, and not a tune that not even the band members remember anymore but the hardcore fan knows from memory. And sure, here and there you'll find head scratching choices (Why always bringing back Wrathchild? why no Still Life for Maiden England? why no 22 Acacia Avenue for the early days?), but in the long run, you notice the diversity in the setlists.

I mean - you go to a show, you get The Trooper, The Number of the Beast and 2 Minutes to Midnight, and Wrathchild if you're unlucky  :D you go to see them some times over the course of 2008-2014, you get to see Powerslave, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, The Clairvoyant, The Prisoner and Phantom of the Opera. Without counting the best songs from the new album they happen to throw in.

And as Stadler pointed out, there's no going around it, it's always those same songs that get the biggest reaction. At my show in Italy Sign of the Cross and ESPECIALLY The Clansman went down very well, but the earth-shaking, the-walls-are-coming-down roars will always be reserved for The Trooper, The Number of the Beast and Fear of the Dark.

Honestly, this. I'm in the "play some weird shit" camp, but I understand why they do what they do. I think part of their problem is that they've decided to never play a song that wasn't played on it's album's tour. We're therefore necessarily limited to what they can pull from. It's all relative, but really Eagles, Clansman, Cross, and Greater all qualified as deep cuts by Maiden standards. I was thrilled with the setlist, despite never wanting to hear Iron Maiden again.

Also, they've demonstrated a few times that they pay attention to fan reactions in picking their setlists, and they have made changes midstream before. I got to see BtaTS on the first night in Dallas, and because they didn't think it went over well they swapped it with, sigh, Wrathchild. If they don't think a crowd is getting it they won't play a song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 01, 2020, 02:10:32 PM
Like I said, they weren't quiet or subdued by any means. I suppose compared to US crowds they were still a lot more lively. Like Stadler said, just nowhere near how excited they were for Trooper or Number or something. This was night 3, the show I caught. You're not going to get that kind of energy in Dallas, but from down in the middle of it it almost seemed like a respite from Midnight or Trooper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lbh2aOpgyE

I saw you!    :)

Were there really 60,000 people there?  It's hard to tell even with the pan back.   

This is as long as I've ever gone without a concert and I watched that and was almost salivating.
Where'd you get 60k? Official capacity is 26k, but that wouldn't be for an end stage layout. The article said 70k, and twenty three and a half would be just about right over 3 nights. The video is misleading because there aren't a ton of seats in the balconies, and the surface area isn't as great as a typical US arena. It's also circular instead of the more commonplace ovals for US sports. Across the street is the Foro Sol, and that's good for 55k. A popular band plays one night there or three nights in the sports palace (or multiples thereof).

I thought Bruce said that at the start of the video - "66,000 people ...  or is it 6-6-6 thousand...." but I guess he meant over the three nights.  That makes more sense.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 01, 2020, 02:20:23 PM
Actually it's the core of staples that never changes. If you go to see them tour after your, you do get a rarity here and there and a different set each time.

Sure, the "rarity" is still a moderately famous song, and not a tune that not even the band members remember anymore but the hardcore fan knows from memory. And sure, here and there you'll find head scratching choices (Why always bringing back Wrathchild? why no Still Life for Maiden England? why no 22 Acacia Avenue for the early days?), but in the long run, you notice the diversity in the setlists.

I mean - you go to a show, you get The Trooper, The Number of the Beast and 2 Minutes to Midnight, and Wrathchild if you're unlucky  :D you go to see them some times over the course of 2008-2014, you get to see Powerslave, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, The Clairvoyant, The Prisoner and Phantom of the Opera. Without counting the best songs from the new album they happen to throw in.

And as Stadler pointed out, there's no going around it, it's always those same songs that get the biggest reaction. At my show in Italy Sign of the Cross and ESPECIALLY The Clansman went down very well, but the earth-shaking, the-walls-are-coming-down roars will always be reserved for The Trooper, The Number of the Beast and Fear of the Dark.

Honestly, this. I'm in the "play some weird shit" camp, but I understand why they do what they do. I think part of their problem is that they've decided to never play a song that wasn't played on it's album's tour. We're therefore necessarily limited to what they can pull from. It's all relative, but really Eagles, Clansman, Cross, and Greater all qualified as deep cuts by Maiden standards. I was thrilled with the setlist, despite never wanting to hear Iron Maiden again.

Also, they've demonstrated a few times that they pay attention to fan reactions in picking their setlists, and they have made changes midstream before. I got to see BtaTS on the first night in Dallas, and because they didn't think it went over well they swapped it with, sigh, Wrathchild. If they don't think a crowd is getting it they won't play a song.

And for me, the alternating "Legacy" and "Album" tours is a fucking KILLER idea.   No pun intended.   I would be thrilled if Kiss did that (though let's be honest; VERY few bands are still putting out legit canonical music on such a regular basis as Maiden.  I've said before that I've been here since the beginning, and I'm at the point that I might like the NEW stuff better than the classic period.)

Sad day that Killers is one of my favorite classic Maiden records and they only seem to play Wrathchild, my least favorite song on the record.  :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 01, 2020, 03:02:22 PM
I hate saying this, but I don't really have much interest in this live CD, now if it were a blu-ray, just take my money.  But these songs are almost all on live albums already, I'll probably get it because IM are my favorite band, but I'm not excited as I could be if they gave this a proper visual release because the visuals MADE this tour so awesome. 

And I'll agree with some others are saying, the Blaze and AMOLAD songs didn't get the crazy reaction from the crowd at the three shows I went to, but those were my favorites and I'm glad they played them.  If they had a video of them, it would likely replace the RiR versions as my visual go to.  I guess I'll just have to keep watching my own live videos of those songs
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2020, 03:23:24 PM
No DVD of this one again is very disappointing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 01, 2020, 07:38:05 PM
I would definitely buy the video, but honestly, I really don't watch any of my concert DVDs. I am definitely more inclined to listen to the CD though, be it in my car or doing whatever.

That said, I'm pumped for this album!! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2020, 07:48:24 PM
I would definitely buy the video, but honestly, I really don't watch any of my concert DVDs. I am definitely more inclined to listen to the CD though, be it in my car or doing whatever.

That said, I'm pumped for this album!! :metal

This.  Even though it's disappointing there's no video, I too have completely just gone off watching concert DVD's.  I don't have time and just find myself not even reaching for any of them.

Even the last Helloween one, I didn't even buy as I knew I wouldn't sit down and watch it. 

I do hope this new Maiden one has a nice mix though.  I found the Book of Souls live album tour cd sounded like shit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on October 01, 2020, 08:24:38 PM
I think every live DVD I’ve ever bought, I rarely watched more than once
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 02, 2020, 08:29:53 AM
I would definitely buy the video, but honestly, I really don't watch any of my concert DVDs. I am definitely more inclined to listen to the CD though, be it in my car or doing whatever.

That said, I'm pumped for this album!! :metal

I've taken to ripping my DVDs to my harddrive.   Very often the CDs are compilations of multiple shows, and the DVD is one show (or a different set of multiple shows).   Live After Death, Kiss Alive III, The Song Remains The Same, and Pink Floyd's Pulse are all like that. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on October 02, 2020, 09:07:41 AM
https://open.spotify.com/track/4DpchHUxNyepS3wUs8yXIb?si=zHUM413xSp24GNh8tXLZ9w
It’s a great recording!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 02, 2020, 11:03:39 AM
Aces High / Live from Mexico City:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5yHI3075OQ&list=OLAK5uy_lwJFwcF_suRIJLp-_EzDqPq3JTLzWmSQM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 02, 2020, 12:44:22 PM
I think every live DVD I’ve ever bought, I rarely watched more than once
I'm the opposite. I'm far more likely to put a concert on while working at home than I am just an album. Every weekend I subject the neighbor girl to a concert or two of good music (her music sucks).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2020, 05:35:04 PM
I hardly listen to live albums anymore other then new releases but the videos I go back to. Especially well done blu rays with surround sound. I have a nice set up in my man cave to watch these so its very enjoyable, but also I watch when I work out too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 05, 2020, 02:09:31 PM
I can't remember the last time I watched a concert DVD.   This entire band is made up of millionaires so I don't feel even a tiny bit of guilt as a life-long fan who has been a fan since the release of the first album, about not spending more money to hear yet another live version of ___________________ <--insert any track from their live shows here.


Besides, I've lost track of how many times I've seen them live.  A new album would be far, far more exciting. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 05, 2020, 02:48:50 PM
Aces High / Live from Mexico City:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5yHI3075OQ&list=OLAK5uy_lwJFwcF_suRIJLp-_EzDqPq3JTLzWmSQM

Props to Bruce as always, but jeez, he doesn't sound good here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on October 05, 2020, 10:41:32 PM
I don't think anyone is going to deny that Aces High is a tough song for anyone to sing, but yes Bruce is definitely struggling a bit here. I think its only some of his signature inflections/sounds in his voice that save him - some of the wailing is a fair way off....however, absolutely love Bruce - greatest frontman of all time for me.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 05, 2020, 10:49:52 PM
I don't think anyone is going to deny that Aces High is a tough song for anyone to sing, but yes Bruce is definitely struggling a bit here. I think its only some of his signature inflections/sounds in his voice that save him - some of the wailing is a fair way off....however, absolutely love Bruce - greatest frontman of all time for me.

He's probably my number one musician over any guitarist....maybe, but yeah, I think it just would be time to retire songs like Aces High or I just wish 'Arry wasn't so stubborn and started tuning down for him.  We know he didn't budge with Blaze, but surely this long into Bruce's career, his age and what he's been through, you'd have to look at compromising.  No one would think any less of either of them if they started tuning down live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on November 19, 2020, 09:12:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-ODJRnR00

Bruce opens up the new live release. Is there anyone else on the planet who would look as he does with hair like that?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2020, 12:58:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-ODJRnR00

Bruce opens up the new live release. Is there anyone else on the planet who would look as he does with hair like that?

Obviously not, d'uh!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on November 20, 2020, 03:07:32 AM
Bruce: "This is like some fucking awful infomercial, isn't it?"

Umm... yes.

Just my opinion but I just want them to get back in the studio. I have zero interest in this. Another live Maiden album? Yawn. Sign Of The Cross live sounded arbitrary. Bruce's vocals were not good, imo. He's my favourite vocalist and great in person, running about and stuff, but often sounds pants on live recordings.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 20, 2020, 04:16:31 AM
Bruce: "This is like some fucking awful infomercial, isn't it?"

Umm... yes.

Just my opinion but I just want them to get back in the studio. I have zero interest in this. Another live Maiden album? Yawn. Sign Of The Cross live sounded arbitrary. Bruce's vocals were not good, imo. He's my favourite vocalist and great in person, running about and stuff, but often sounds pants on live recordings.

His vocals on Aces High truthfully has made me consider skipping this release.  First one ever.  The last one I only listened to once anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 20, 2020, 08:23:49 AM
Bruce: "This is like some fucking awful infomercial, isn't it?"

Umm... yes.

Just my opinion but I just want them to get back in the studio. I have zero interest in this. Another live Maiden album? Yawn. Sign Of The Cross live sounded arbitrary. Bruce's vocals were not good, imo. He's my favourite vocalist and great in person, running about and stuff, but often sounds pants on live recordings.

You mean you want Bruce to stand still and just sing instead of running around, and jumping, waving flags, and all that fun stuff. I can see, the reason he does that now is because he knows his voice is ageing.

Honestly, I never cared for Iron Maidens live vocals, recently, The show is about seeing Iron Maiden live as an entity, and I understand the vocals are the instrument that ages with time.

Also, Bands have schedules that are ahead about 2 years. Covid-19, messed up those plans, and many bands now have the freedom to record. Iron Maiden didn't as their schedule right now is the Live Album. Now they may go into the studio to record, as I am sure they are not holding out for future tour dates.

Edit: I want to let you guys know...My live vocal expectations are extremely low, for any band. The reason being I know how hard it is to keep vocals in shape, and how hard it is to keep it from getting tired throughout the tour. It's why the middle of the tours, are usually, the best shows. The band worked out all the kinks, and the vocalist has had time to warm-up and get a feel for the set, with the audience involved. It's why some vocalists, let the audience sing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2020, 09:11:20 AM
You guys saw a different show than I did.   None of it was "record perfect", but it never is. But I thought Bruce sang his boobies off.  I thought he sounded really good, and was one of the high points of the show.  Flight Of Icarus was strong, and the version of The Number Of The Beast was one of the top two or three "moments" of any of the multiple times I've seen Maiden.  Bruce NAILED it, and the building was literally SHAKING.

I don't know if I'll buy this CD or not - maybe if I can get a deal - but it won't be because of Bruce's vocals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on November 20, 2020, 09:11:51 AM
There was a rumor floating around that they already recorded an album since Shirley and Maiden were spotted last year (IIRC) in France at a studio.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-is-rumored-to-have-completed-work-on-new-studio-album/

It might not be all complete but certainly maybe they are putting the finishing touches.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2020, 09:37:19 AM
I believe the masterplan was to finish the tour this year, and then maybe already this september come out with a new single, if not album.

The way they organized the 2021 tour seem made in a way to "get out of the way" the LOTB tour dates and then go straight into a new album promotion, maybe taking advantage of the different emispheres and therefore touring South America when it's summer there (or something like that).

As much as I was egoistically looking forward to see again the LOTB tour, especially in an arena U-shaped with a steep hill from which I could *SEE* everything, I'd say they should cut their losses and come out with a new album.

They've lost a year, probably two, of their twilight years, just release new music when you're all still healthy and fit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2020, 11:31:17 AM
You guys saw a different show than I did.

Actually, I didn't  :biggrin:

But honestly, I'm not buying it and don't even care to listen to it.  Seems like they fucked this release up by not properly doing a video for it.  This NEEDED a video.  Only FTGGOD hasnt been on another live release and I specifically went out to record that myself (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUIVFE_ycZk)  :lol so I have audio and video of the only interesting song from an live cd release perspective.  If they had a blu-ray, I'd be sooo pumped to buy it.  Instead, it's the first IM release since I've been a fan that I am not only skipping, I have little interest to even stream it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 20, 2020, 11:35:08 AM
There was a rumor floating around that they already recorded an album since Shirley and Maiden were spotted last year (IIRC) in France at a studio.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-is-rumored-to-have-completed-work-on-new-studio-album/

It might not be all complete but certainly maybe they are putting the finishing touches.

 A friend of mine is good friends with Maiden's official photographer, and he says it's 100% done. Their initial idea was to announce it next January, but this is now postponed for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2020, 11:55:36 AM
There was a rumor floating around that they already recorded an album since Shirley and Maiden were spotted last year (IIRC) in France at a studio.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-is-rumored-to-have-completed-work-on-new-studio-album/

It might not be all complete but certainly maybe they are putting the finishing touches.

I keep seeing this post and seeing "Shirley Manson".  I have to admit; I'd find a Shirley Manson/Iron Maiden collab interesting.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on November 20, 2020, 12:54:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-ODJRnR00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-ODJRnR00)

Bruce opens up the new live release. Is there anyone else on the planet who would look as he does with hair like that?


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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on November 20, 2020, 01:47:25 PM
There was a rumor floating around that they already recorded an album since Shirley and Maiden were spotted last year (IIRC) in France at a studio.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-is-rumored-to-have-completed-work-on-new-studio-album/

It might not be all complete but certainly maybe they are putting the finishing touches.

 A friend of mine is good friends with Maiden's official photographer, and he says it's 100% done. Their initial idea was to announce it next January, but this is now postponed for obvious reasons.

Sweet! Maybe it makes better sense to release it in the fall and then tour again in Jan/Feb 2022 and onward. Don't think their will be a spring release just because they are still touring with the LOTB tour. We'll see but I'm excited. This could possibly be Maiden's last studio album. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 20, 2020, 03:58:06 PM
You guys saw a different show than I did.   None of it was "record perfect", but it never is. But I thought Bruce sang his boobies off.  I thought he sounded really good, and was one of the high points of the show.  Flight Of Icarus was strong, and the version of The Number Of The Beast was one of the top two or three "moments" of any of the multiple times I've seen Maiden.  Bruce NAILED it, and the building was literally SHAKING.

I don't know if I'll buy this CD or not - maybe if I can get a deal - but it won't be because of Bruce's vocals.

His vocals were fantastic at my show too. What I meant was I don't expect the vocals to be the best, as I used to when I first saw Maiden. So, when Bruce did Flight of Icarus, and The Clansman, it was fucking epic.

I'll probably buy it because of the setlist. But, I'll probably just listen to it first. I only have Rock In Rio, as I like that set and song choices. Plus, it has a specialty of being the tour when Bruce and Adrian returned, so there's that energy added to the Rock in Rio crowd.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on November 20, 2020, 04:14:23 PM
I don't mind what Bruce does. I'd much rather Janick stood still. I'm not a fan of live rock and metal recordings generally, mainly as the vocals don't work for me. Has no bearing on me attending shows. I mainly think "you had to be there".

There was a rumor floating around that they already recorded an album since Shirley and Maiden were spotted last year (IIRC) in France at a studio.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-is-rumored-to-have-completed-work-on-new-studio-album/

It might not be all complete but certainly maybe they are putting the finishing touches.

 A friend of mine is good friends with Maiden's official photographer, and he says it's 100% done. Their initial idea was to announce it next January, but this is now postponed for obvious reasons.

Great news. Let's hope they bring it forward. No-one's going to be going to arena shows in 2021 anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2020, 04:28:47 PM
No-one's going to be going to arena shows in 2021 anyway.

I've been a negative nancy on the covid front in terms of starting stuff back up, but with vaccine news, I could see concerts coming back second half of 2021.  It seems locally there's going to be a hard push to get most of the state vaccinated before summer 2021.  It might allow concerts to start back up.  We will see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 20, 2020, 04:29:56 PM
Have not listened to an iota of this. I got it today, and will put it on. I went to two shows on this tour, and Bruce sounded fucking amazing. Singers have off nights. Singers who run around liked a crazed maniac and are senior citizens to boot may have even more off nights.

There are some singers who can't get away with that because they just stand there and try to capture the audience's attention with their voice --- that's their job, and that's okay. But that isn't Bruce. Bruce owns you, and goes all out to do so. So, if he is off, vocally, on this, whatever. He gets a pass. UP THE IRONS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
There was a rumor floating around that they already recorded an album since Shirley and Maiden were spotted last year (IIRC) in France at a studio.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-is-rumored-to-have-completed-work-on-new-studio-album/

It might not be all complete but certainly maybe they are putting the finishing touches.

 A friend of mine is good friends with Maiden's official photographer, and he says it's 100% done. Their initial idea was to announce it next January, but this is now postponed for obvious reasons.

Yeah, there's been a year's long thread over at Maidenfans on it. Not sure why they are insisting on keeping the Legacy tour going, especially after such a long layoff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 20, 2020, 09:05:41 PM
There was a rumor floating around that they already recorded an album since Shirley and Maiden were spotted last year (IIRC) in France at a studio.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-is-rumored-to-have-completed-work-on-new-studio-album/

It might not be all complete but certainly maybe they are putting the finishing touches.

 A friend of mine is good friends with Maiden's official photographer, and he says it's 100% done. Their initial idea was to announce it next January, but this is now postponed for obvious reasons.

Yeah, there's been a year's long thread over at Maidenfans on it. Not sure why they are insisting on keeping the Legacy tour going, especially after such a long layoff.

This.  They ain't getting any younger.  Get the album out and do a tour for that instead.  Fuck the Legacy tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on November 20, 2020, 09:24:32 PM
Depends on how they want to spend their "golden" working years. What is more important? Producing more material, or playing in front of more fans? I would not presume to say for myself. I know my preference, but they have earned the right to determine their path.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 21, 2020, 12:40:44 AM
Depends on how they want to spend their "golden" working years. What is more important? Producing more material, or playing in front of more fans? I would not presume to say for myself. I know my preference, but they have earned the right to determine their path.

Definitely, but if the album is done, they can still play to fans all the same.  We just have another new album to enjoy also.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 21, 2020, 06:13:49 AM
Speaking of the new album rumours, I saw a mention on a FB fanpage that someone spotted a writing on a wall on the poster, which goes WOTW, and that wasn't in the first version of the poster. Someone suggested that, since no nuggetz in Maiden artwork is left to chance, that it was a hint about a new song that might have been premiered on the never-happened 2020 tour (War of the Worlds? Whispers of the Wind? Where Owls Try Waffles?), given the way the set is structured I could see an hypotethical new song replacing The Evil that Men Do as first encore song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on November 21, 2020, 06:31:05 AM
Where Owls Try Waffles please
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on November 21, 2020, 07:35:21 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on November 21, 2020, 09:28:40 AM
I wonder if "Writing on the Wall" could be the new album title. They aren't getting any younger.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 21, 2020, 10:50:40 AM
I wonder if "Writing on the Wall" could be the new album title. They aren't getting any younger.

It would be funny if people would be overheat their brains trying to guess what the writing on the wall means, while it would turn out to ACTUALLY be "Writing on the Wall"  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2020, 06:50:22 PM
War Of The Worlds?





Here's a cool little interview with Adrian..
https://www.forbes.com/sites/derekscancarelli/2020/11/19/iron-maiden-guitarist-adrian-smith-talks-helicopter-fishing-wasted-years-and-bruce-dickinson-driving-him-to-tears/?sh=1a5264914ac8
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on November 22, 2020, 08:47:10 AM
Maybe it's Will o the wisp?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on November 26, 2020, 11:52:37 AM
This video is proof of how good Clive Burr was. He kicks so much ass here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb8Jo11uGo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb8Jo11uGo)

And that guitar solo is too good!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 26, 2020, 12:42:01 PM
This video is proof of how good Clive Burr was. He kicks so much ass here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb8Jo11uGo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb8Jo11uGo)

And that guitar solo is too good!
Any love for Clive is an insta like from me!

I'll add Murders In The Rue Morgue from Beast over Hammersmith (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr2N6SluA64&ab_channel=elmu97) as a contender.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 26, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
This video is proof of how good Clive Burr was. He kicks so much ass here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb8Jo11uGo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb8Jo11uGo)

And that guitar solo is too good!

That whole Hammersmith show is so good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on November 26, 2020, 11:57:01 PM
Yeah, Clive was so great. Amazing vibe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on November 29, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Heard The Book of Souls Live Chapter album after ages and it's always good to hear Maiden live. I'm doing something I don't think I've ever done before and just listening to their live albums only. Listening to Death on the Road now and it sounds so much better than the Book of Souls live album mix-wise. Then noticed that Kevin Shirley wasn't involved which kinda explains the big difference in the live sound mix.
I'ts not bad it's just soo distant.

Hope the new one in Mexico City sounds better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 29, 2020, 09:15:15 PM
Bruce: "This is like some fucking awful infomercial, isn't it?"

Umm... yes.

Just my opinion but I just want them to get back in the studio. I have zero interest in this. Another live Maiden album? Yawn. Sign Of The Cross live sounded arbitrary. Bruce's vocals were not good, imo. He's my favourite vocalist and great in person, running about and stuff, but often sounds pants on live recordings.

His vocals on Aces High truthfully has made me consider skipping this release.  First one ever.  The last one I only listened to once anyway.

......aaaaaaaand I saw this on the weekend and picked it up.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on November 29, 2020, 09:28:26 PM
I'm doing something I don't think I've ever done before and just listening to their live albums only.

When done please post a quick synopsis/review with your rankings. Would enjoy reading your thoughts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on November 29, 2020, 09:37:35 PM
I'm doing something I don't think I've ever done before and just listening to their live albums only.

When done please post a quick synopsis/review with your rankings. Would enjoy reading your thoughts.

Now that's a project! Will do, oddly enough my very first Maiden album bought was the Live after Death cassette back in the early 90s and is really etched in my brain as the greatest live album of theirs. Though I think probably Rock in Rio has taken that place but would be very interesting how I rank their live albums in terms of sound and performance. Death on the road is no slouch I had forgotten how fantastic this album sounds.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on November 29, 2020, 09:51:00 PM
Curiously, I do not own one Maiden live album despite owning all their studio albums and counting them among my favorite bands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 30, 2020, 08:14:21 AM
Bruce: "This is like some fucking awful infomercial, isn't it?"

Umm... yes.

Just my opinion but I just want them to get back in the studio. I have zero interest in this. Another live Maiden album? Yawn. Sign Of The Cross live sounded arbitrary. Bruce's vocals were not good, imo. He's my favourite vocalist and great in person, running about and stuff, but often sounds pants on live recordings.

His vocals on Aces High truthfully has made me consider skipping this release.  First one ever.  The last one I only listened to once anyway.

......aaaaaaaand I saw this on the weekend and picked it up.  :facepalm:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Love it!    :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 30, 2020, 08:15:27 AM
I'm doing something I don't think I've ever done before and just listening to their live albums only.

When done please post a quick synopsis/review with your rankings. Would enjoy reading your thoughts.

Now that's a project! Will do, oddly enough my very first Maiden album bought was the Live after Death cassette back in the early 90s and is really etched in my brain as the greatest live album of theirs. Though I think probably Rock in Rio has taken that place but would be very interesting how I rank their live albums in terms of sound and performance. Death on the road is no slouch I had forgotten how fantastic this album sounds.

Don't skip Maiden Japan!   That was fresh out when I got into them back in '82, and it's still one of my favorites. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
I'm doing something I don't think I've ever done before and just listening to their live albums only.

When done please post a quick synopsis/review with your rankings. Would enjoy reading your thoughts.

Now that's a project! Will do, oddly enough my very first Maiden album bought was the Live after Death cassette back in the early 90s and is really etched in my brain as the greatest live album of theirs. Though I think probably Rock in Rio has taken that place but would be very interesting how I rank their live albums in terms of sound and performance. Death on the road is no slouch I had forgotten how fantastic this album sounds.

Don't skip Maiden Japan!   That was fresh out when I got into them back in '82, and it's still one of my favorites.

Maiden Japan was an official release?  I thought that was just a bootleg, but regardless, it's really solid and a good capture of that period of the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ShadowWalker on November 30, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
I'm doing something I don't think I've ever done before and just listening to their live albums only.

When done please post a quick synopsis/review with your rankings. Would enjoy reading your thoughts.

Now that's a project! Will do, oddly enough my very first Maiden album bought was the Live after Death cassette back in the early 90s and is really etched in my brain as the greatest live album of theirs. Though I think probably Rock in Rio has taken that place but would be very interesting how I rank their live albums in terms of sound and performance. Death on the road is no slouch I had forgotten how fantastic this album sounds.

Don't skip Maiden Japan!   That was fresh out when I got into them back in '82, and it's still one of my favorites.

Maiden Japan was an official release?  I thought that was just a bootleg, but regardless, it's really solid and a good capture of that period of the band.

Yes it was. Unfortunately it never made it to a stand-alone CD release (I assume vinyl back in the day as well as cassette). The only place on CD that I know it exists is on the bonus disc of the Castle Records re-release of Killers back when that label did a re-release of the catalog (and the Castle Records release has all five tracks).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 30, 2020, 11:33:15 AM
I'm doing something I don't think I've ever done before and just listening to their live albums only.

When done please post a quick synopsis/review with your rankings. Would enjoy reading your thoughts.

Now that's a project! Will do, oddly enough my very first Maiden album bought was the Live after Death cassette back in the early 90s and is really etched in my brain as the greatest live album of theirs. Though I think probably Rock in Rio has taken that place but would be very interesting how I rank their live albums in terms of sound and performance. Death on the road is no slouch I had forgotten how fantastic this album sounds.

Don't skip Maiden Japan!   That was fresh out when I got into them back in '82, and it's still one of my favorites.

Maiden Japan was an official release?  I thought that was just a bootleg, but regardless, it's really solid and a good capture of that period of the band.

Nope, it was legit.  I had it on vinyl in the day ("Special Mini LP!") and it's available on the two-CD Sanctuary reissue of Killers. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2020, 11:54:00 AM
Bruce: "This is like some fucking awful infomercial, isn't it?"

Umm... yes.

Just my opinion but I just want them to get back in the studio. I have zero interest in this. Another live Maiden album? Yawn. Sign Of The Cross live sounded arbitrary. Bruce's vocals were not good, imo. He's my favourite vocalist and great in person, running about and stuff, but often sounds pants on live recordings.

His vocals on Aces High truthfully has made me consider skipping this release.  First one ever.  The last one I only listened to once anyway.

......aaaaaaaand I saw this on the weekend and picked it up.  :facepalm:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Love it!    :tup

After all these years I still have a problem.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 30, 2020, 06:46:41 PM
Curiously, I do not own one Maiden live album despite owning all their studio albums and counting them among my favorite bands.

That's crazy talk right there.




I got the cassette version of Maiden Japan for Christmas '82.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on November 30, 2020, 08:27:02 PM

Don't skip Maiden Japan!   That was fresh out when I got into them back in '82, and it's still one of my favorites. 
Now there's an album name I haven't heard in a long time. I don't know if I've ever heard the album or if I did must've listened to it eons ago, but I do remember its reputation as one of the best as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on November 30, 2020, 08:27:05 PM
Curiously, I do not own one Maiden live album despite owning all their studio albums and counting them among my favorite bands.

That's crazy talk right there.

I know. I got in to Maiden late in the game (after DoD), so there's that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2020, 09:29:13 PM
Curiously, I do not own one Maiden live album despite owning all their studio albums and counting them among my favorite bands.

That's crazy talk right there.

I know. I got in to Maiden late in the game (after DoD), so there's that.

Definitely start checking them all out mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on December 01, 2020, 12:31:42 PM
To me, the gold standard in Iron Maiden live albums is the "Live After Death" album. 


But I've been listening to their latest live album, "Legacy of the Beast" and it's pretty killer.  I saw them live a couple of years ago and they still put on one hell of a show
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on December 01, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
I almost never revisit Maiden live albums but the ones I enjoy the most are Maiden England and Live at Donington. The version of Fear of the Dark on Donington is one of the first experiences I had with the band, when I found a crappy video of it on the internet back in 2003, when I was getting into metal music. Maiden England came way later, in fact only when they re-released it as Maiden England '88. I suppose I like that one because of the track list.

Good memories of the A Real Live/Dead One combo as well, as it was one of the early albums I got by them. Many of the tracks on that album were in fact the first versions I heard of some of the songs, like Remember Tomorrow for instance. Not quality recordings by any means, and arguably one of Bruce's worst performances on tour. Still, holds a nostalgic place in my heart.

Live after Death is of course a classic from the golden era of the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2020, 01:21:36 PM
I love Live at Donington.  I think it's very underrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 01, 2020, 01:49:48 PM
I think KNH is right as rain: the gold standard is Live After Death.   

I was going to make a list, but first, there are more live releases than I realized, and second, after the obvious, how do you rank them?  None outright suck, and while I'm less inclined to take the compilation ones (that have a fade in between each track) I am a big fan of the "Real Live/Dead" releases.   

I guess if I had to pick, I'd say the top three are LAD, The Beast On The Road and En Vivo! But then again, Maiden England, Death On The Road...

(By the way, for those that don't know, the CD - across four nights - and the video - across two nights - of LAD are different performances, though there is some discrepancy as to what's what.)
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Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
Talking obscure live releases, I always really liked Raising Hell.  The magic stuff is shit but the performance is raw as hell.  Pretty sloppy but great energy.  One of my fav Dave performance ever, along with Donigton.  His playing was amazing in that era.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2020, 04:49:46 PM
Talking obscure live releases, I always really liked Raising Hell.  The magic stuff is shit but the performance is raw as hell.  Pretty sloppy but great energy.  One of my fav Dave performance ever, along with Donigton.  His playing was amazing in that era.

I like it mostly for the magic. Its cheesy but its such a cool element to the show, the performance is otherwise shit and they look so uninterested. I do love this DVD for the oddness of it.

Can't argue against LAD but RIR is really what got me into Maiden so I think that may be my favorite, or Flight 666 since I was upfront for the Rime in NJ performance
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Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2020, 07:04:14 PM
Talking obscure live releases, I always really liked Raising Hell.  The magic stuff is shit but the performance is raw as hell.  Pretty sloppy but great energy.  One of my fav Dave performance ever, along with Donigton.  His playing was amazing in that era.

I like it mostly for the magic. Its cheesy but its such a cool element to the show, the performance is otherwise shit and they look so uninterested. I do love this DVD for the oddness of it.

Can't argue against LAD but RIR is really what got me into Maiden so I think that may be my favorite, or Flight 666 since I was upfront for the Rime in NJ performance

Both Dave and Bruce perform like it's Maidens final show ever, for different reasons.  Dave is playing like the band is actually over.
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Post by: TAC on December 01, 2020, 07:10:12 PM
This kid gets it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AihjrlrTiTU
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Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2020, 07:11:47 PM
Talking obscure live releases, I always really liked Raising Hell.  The magic stuff is shit but the performance is raw as hell.  Pretty sloppy but great energy.  One of my fav Dave performance ever, along with Donigton.  His playing was amazing in that era.

I like it mostly for the magic. Its cheesy but its such a cool element to the show, the performance is otherwise shit and they look so uninterested. I do love this DVD for the oddness of it.

Can't argue against LAD but RIR is really what got me into Maiden so I think that may be my favorite, or Flight 666 since I was upfront for the Rime in NJ performance

Both Dave and Bruce perform like it's Maidens final show ever, for different reasons.  Dave is playing like the band is actually over.

He played so well his hands were cut off  :lol https://youtu.be/FQi_rSQLGt4?t=2450 (https://youtu.be/FQi_rSQLGt4?t=2450)
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Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2020, 07:23:42 PM
Haha, yeah that bit was pretty cool.  :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2020, 07:30:04 PM
Haha, yeah that bit was pretty cool.  :lol

It's so cheesy but makes the whole show so unique, plus there's the real live raw energy to the performance.  I still think it's very lackluster in some ways because "it was the end" but it certainly has a lot of cool moments that make me really enjoy it for what it is.  Also, the Iron Maiden at the end, seemed so fitting. 

This made me go look for my DVD... and I can't find it, also the Early Years V1 DVD... wtf I'm not happy about that.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoMtiL2XIAIvKD_?format=jpg&name=large)

 I have such a good memory of finding the Raising Hell DVD at the mall in PA while in college and then watching it with my roommate and loving how that little kid was rocking out next to Steve Harris during HCW.  We always joke about that how we were jealous of that kid while watching it but a few years later we would then be that kid on stage for HCW.  Things like this are why they are my favorite band, easily.
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Post by: 425 on December 01, 2020, 08:05:56 PM
I think it's hard to argue with Live After Death as the band's best live album, since it's them on the top of their game playing a spectacular setlist. There are a lot of iconic moments for me within that show, like "Los Angeles, can you feel it?" in Revelations.

I would put Rock in Rio up there next to it. I think there's a special energy to the band, playing a festival of that size, coming off the reunion and a very successful new album. The setlist is also really, really good, outside of the sort of baffling inclusion of The Mercenary (instead of, say, Out of the Silent Planet). I'd probably put it and LAD together at the top, and then En Vivo! third, partly due to my love of the reunion era and especially The Final Frontier.

Seeing all the praise for Death on the Road makes me want to go back and revisit that one. I recall the editing of the video being not very good, but maybe I should just do the audio.
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Post by: TAC on December 01, 2020, 08:26:06 PM
Talking obscure live releases, I always really liked Raising Hell.  The magic stuff is shit but the performance is raw as hell.  Pretty sloppy but great energy.  One of my fav Dave performance ever, along with Donigton.  His playing was amazing in that era.

Lots to chew on here, Kade!

First, the setlists for these shows highlight how strong the Fear Of The Dark tracks are. I know the album catches a lot of flack but these songs translate really well live.

Secondly, the addition of Janick Gers really seemed to light a fire of energy under Dave Murray. I know No Prayer is a bit lackluster, but that tour was amazing. The band, especially Dave, had so much energy. It's one of my favorite tours.


I think Live At Donnington is a great live album (the video fucking blows). I love it, and the A Real Live One/A Real Dead One set is also excellent. That tour had great setlists, and when it became clear that Bruce was leaving, they pulled some classics out, as evident on A Real Dead One. I like these albums a lot.

And I might feel differently about Raising Hell if all I had was the audio, but honestly, it is tough for me to watch.  The magic show is garbage if you ask me, and the band's performance, while energetic as hell, is...I don't know..kind of hard to watch. Knowing it was their last show...bittersweet isn't the word, but there's just something...cringeworthy isn't the word either. I don't know how to describe my feelings towards this.



Story time!
So Raising Hell was going to air as a Pay Per View special. I actually bought it,and then my damned gf made fucking plans the night it was going to be on. So I set my VCR to record it. We got back the next morning, and I ran to the VCR. But...IT DIDN"T RECORD!!


I ended up buying the VHS, but I have never bothered with the DVD.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2020, 08:34:09 PM
 :lol I'd be so pissed
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Post by: TAC on December 01, 2020, 08:39:34 PM
:lol I'd be so pissed

You have no idea.  :lol

I was so pissed when she said we were going to spend the night at a friend's house with another couple. I was like, "But it's Iron Maiden's last concert!".

I was trying to talk her into me buying it for our friend's house so I could watch it. :lol
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Post by: TAC on December 01, 2020, 08:40:56 PM
The single best thing about Iron Maiden's live albums is the guitarists in different channels. If there's one thing Iron Maiden has perfected, it's the mixing of a live album.
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Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2020, 08:47:23 PM
The single best thing about Iron Maiden's live albums is the guitarists in different channels. If there's one thing Iron Maiden has perfected, it's the mixing of a live album.

I'll give opinions on your other thoughts later, but this 1000%!
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Post by: gazinwales on December 02, 2020, 12:45:42 AM
Anyone else ever check out Adrian Smith's 'Silver & Gold' album from 1989?
I really like it has some great songs and vocals from the great man.
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Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2020, 05:01:59 AM
Talking obscure live releases, I always really liked Raising Hell.  The magic stuff is shit but the performance is raw as hell.  Pretty sloppy but great energy.  One of my fav Dave performance ever, along with Donigton.  His playing was amazing in that era.

Lots to chew on here, Kade!

First, the setlists for these shows highlight how strong the Fear Of The Dark tracks are. I know the album catches a lot of flack but these songs translate really well live.

Secondly, the addition of Janick Gers really seemed to light a fire of energy under Dave Murray. I know No Prayer is a bit lackluster, but that tour was amazing. The band, especially Dave, had so much energy. It's one of my favorite tours.


I think Live At Donnington is a great live album (the video fucking blows). I love it, and the A Real Live One/A Real Dead One set is also excellent. That tour had great setlists, and when it became clear that Bruce was leaving, they pulled some classics out, as evident on A Real Dead One. I like these albums a lot.

And I might feel differently about Raising Hell if all I had was the audio, but honestly, it is tough for me to watch.  The magic show is garbage if you ask me, and the band's performance, while energetic as hell, is...I don't know..kind of hard to watch. Knowing it was their last show...bittersweet isn't the word, but there's just something...cringeworthy isn't the word either. I don't know how to describe my feelings towards this.



Story time!
So Raising Hell was going to air as a Pay Per View special. I actually bought it,and then my damned gf made fucking plans the night it was going to be on. So I set my VCR to record it. We got back the next morning, and I ran to the VCR. But...IT DIDN"T RECORD!!


I ended up buying the VHS, but I have never bothered with the DVD.

No Prayer was one of my first introductions to Maiden along with the Donington VHS.  I used to watch that VHS every arvo after school, I loved it personally.  The footage with the slow motion images and black and white isn't the greatest, but that wasn't an issue for me back then.

The energy of this show is immense and as you said Tim, Janick brought the band alive again, especially Dave.  His soloing went up another level on No Prayer and Fear.  FOTD may be my fav Dave album truthfully.

The Real/Live Dead albums are great too with some excellent deep cuts, and solid performances.

I too wish there was an audio version of Raising Hell.

In terms of those old live albums, I've said before I used to Love panning the speakers and jamming along as Adrian or Dave.  So much fun with the harmonies especially.

One full live show I always wanted was Donington 88.  Bruce is obviously sick but the songs we got in Eddie's Archive I bloody love.  Great sound.
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Post by: bobzor on December 02, 2020, 07:14:46 AM
Speaking of Fear of the Dark and No Prayer: In general, I feel the early 90's albums are pretty much overlooked among others than hard core Maiden fans. No Prayer for the Dying and Fear of the Dark both contain really good tracks, and while they for sure are no match to albums like Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son, I want to judge them by their own merits. I probably listen to those early 90's albums more than the comeback albums.

While they may not be the "return to the roots" that Harris strove for, they present an interesting sort of re-birth of a band that just couldn't go more epic after 7th Son. No Prayer is certainly pretty basic and the epic elements are totally stripped off, but I still find songs like Public Enema Number One to be among my favorites.
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Post by: Zydar on December 02, 2020, 07:21:06 AM
There are some nice songs there, but I'm not a big fan of the change in vocal style that Bruce did. The kind of raspy voice he started with on those albums bring the enjoyment down somewhat for me.

I get that they felt they needed to take things down a notch or two from the epicness from the previous albums though. And Judas Be My Guide will always be a big favourite of mine.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on December 02, 2020, 07:23:20 AM
Maiden Japan had a CD release as part of the First Ten Years series, released as a stand-alone and as part of the box-set way back in 1990. Hard to find now, of course.
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Post by: Stadler on December 02, 2020, 09:24:15 AM
There are some nice songs there, but I'm not a big fan of the change in vocal style that Bruce did. The kind of raspy voice he started with on those albums bring the enjoyment down somewhat for me.

I get that they felt they needed to take things down a notch or two from the epicness from the previous albums though. And Judas Be My Guide will always be a big favourite of mine.

I wish he covered that in more detail in his book.  I'm fascinated by that; was it necessity?  Was it his choice (Tattooed Millionaire seems to suggest that)?  Steve's (the hiring of Blaze seems to suggest that)?

I like Raising Hell; I ripped the show to my hard drive so I have the audio (it's not perfect, what with the intercut magic segments).   At first I thought the music behind the magic was Maiden, doing something different, but it's not.   

TAC, I know what you mean; there IS something about that show that's different.  I can't put it into words either. 
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 02, 2020, 10:41:30 AM
There are some nice songs there, but I'm not a big fan of the change in vocal style that Bruce did. The kind of raspy voice he started with on those albums bring the enjoyment down somewhat for me.

I get that they felt they needed to take things down a notch or two from the epicness from the previous albums though. And Judas Be My Guide will always be a big favourite of mine.

I wish he covered that in more detail in his book.  I'm fascinated by that; was it necessity?  Was it his choice (Tattooed Millionaire seems to suggest that)?  Steve's (the hiring of Blaze seems to suggest that)?

I like Raising Hell; I ripped the show to my hard drive so I have the audio (it's not perfect, what with the intercut magic segments).   At first I thought the music behind the magic was Maiden, doing something different, but it's not.   

TAC, I know what you mean; there IS something about that show that's different.  I can't put it into words either.

One thing that's unique about that show is that Bruce had ALREADY done his final show with the band and the tour was done, and I think they got an offer for one last hurrah. I could tell he was really disengaged with what Maiden represented at that show.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on December 02, 2020, 01:46:42 PM
There are some nice songs there, but I'm not a big fan of the change in vocal style that Bruce did. The kind of raspy voice he started with on those albums bring the enjoyment down somewhat for me.


I honestly thought he had blown out his voice and that his career was over, which was only solidified by the fact that he left the group after those albums.  Then a few years later I heard a track off Chemical Wedding and I was like WHOA!  Dickinson can sing again!  :eek

The tracks from those two albums that are on the subsequent live releases sound SO much better, especially the post-reunion live stuff. 
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Post by: faizoff on December 03, 2020, 12:36:41 AM
I'm doing something I don't think I've ever done before and just listening to their live albums only.

When done please post a quick synopsis/review with your rankings. Would enjoy reading your thoughts.

I got done with listening to all the Reunion live albums, all six of them. They are all great and really fun to listen to and I'd rank them all a min 9/10 and just nitpickiness makes some more preferable than others. In terms of ranking

1. Rock In Rio
2. Death On The Road
3. Flight 666
4. The Book Of Souls - Live Chapter
5. Nights Of The Dead, Legacy Of The Beast- Live In Mexico City
6. En Vivo!

All of these I'm commenting on the CD mix, all but Mexico City have a video counter part and a 5.1 mix so not reviewing those. The latest two live records sound a bit odd in how they're mixed on the CD, I listened to some of the tracks more than a few times and I read up that those two were not mixed by Kevin Shirley who's been with them this whole time since Brave New World. It's a shame though apart from Dance of Death, all the albums have an amazing mix and sound IMO. I feel he's nailed the sonic presentation of the three guitar's spatial positions and tone, both studio and live. The last two live albums also have a really weird audience mix, like really weird at times esp during the choruses or any crowd singing part. The guitars sound is 'mild' is the term I would use. When you listen to any of the other Kevin Shirley mixed live records you can notice the difference right away, I guess it doesn't have that punchy crunchy sound. In any case it was just a strange realization for me since I got so used to the first four album vibe those last two stuck out quite a bit. Weird audience and muted guitar tone aside, the performances are great and Bruce does sound tired on the Mexico City album and even out of breath several times something I think I've never heard before.

Rock in Rio is still my favorite of the bunch, it's got so many amazing things going.
- Incredible crowd, their clapping along in Blood Brothers is my favorite crowd involvement moment. Their singing along is incredible at times.
- First live mix of the triple guitar and really well done. Blood Brothers is probably the best song that illustrates the 3 different guitars during that middle clapping section leading to the ripping Janick solo
- The intro/banter to some tracks is something that's hardly there in later releases. I love these bits "Something old, something new, something from our Jurassic period.. WRATHCHILD!!", "Into the valley of death rode
    the six hundred... cannon to right of them, cannon to left of them, volley'd and thunder'd... THE TROOPER!!!!"
- Dual lead solos! The Trooper and The Evil That Men Do having Adrian and Janick do the leads together gave me massive chills on first listen.
- Sign of the cross is hypnotic, I think I listened to this track the most when I first bought the album in 2002.
- I can't believe this show was almost 20 years ago.

Death on the Road
- Paschendale and Dance of Death are so good live, the live performance of Paschendale is what made it my favorite track of the album. It's epic in every sense.
- I'm really glad they played Journeyman, it's a great track and I like it more live.
- I misremembered how good the whole album sounds, if the tracklisting had another song or two from Dance of Death like Face in the sand or Age of Innocence it would've been perfect.

Flight 666
- Largely Live After Death part 2 with some SIT and SSOASS thrown in and Fear of the Dark added for good measure. While not comparable to the original it's still a fantastic set of performances of the older tracks with the reunion band and a modern updated sound and mix.
- Rime of the Ancient Mariner and Wasted years are the standout tracks for me, totally engrossing.

Book of Souls Live Chapter
- Love that they played Children of the Damned and unconventionally ended with Wasted Years. Also has less of the usual bucket of songs they play in the end of every concert with just the three (Fear of the dark, Iron Maiden and Number of the Beast)
- Even though I've mentioned the mix is a tad disappointing hearing the new album songs live more than makes up for it. I just wished they had released a bluray video release rather than the stupid youtube concert.

Live in Mexico City
- More deep tracks and finally something official from AMOLAD! Any song would've been fine and they chose one of the best ones.
- The version of Sign of the cross is great but doesn't feel as hypnotic as the Rock in Rio version
- Bruce definitely sounds very different here, off night? a bit breathless at times. I have to remind myself the guy is over 60 and was treated for cancer.
- The guitar tones reminds me of the Virtual XI era guitars and those Blaze albums didn't particularly have appealing production to me even though I really like the albums.
- Crowd noise is really weird, sounds like some robotic demonic voice when singing the choruses.
- The song selection is what puts this album above En Vivo.

En Vivo!
- I need to listen to this album more, I think I was bummed they never released an official live recording of A Matter of Life and Death since they played that album in its entirety during the tour and didn't even have a track on this release. When this came out I was having Maiden fatigue and sort of never listened to the album that much. Plus at that point you were getting the album for just the 5 new songs as everything else had already been played in the recent live albums.
- This album again has a great mix of the guitar and the crowd is pretty loud, the new songs shine live.
- This really isn't a bad live album, it's just the timing was odd for me and having very few new tracks really didn't make me want to revisit the whole album.


Might just watch the counter part concerts before tackling all the pre-reunion live albums. There are quite a few of them. I think I counted 7. Should be a fun listen.
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Post by: faizoff on December 03, 2020, 09:29:53 PM
I'm sure it's probably been brought up before but has anyone seen Paul Di'Anno lately?

I came across this video of him performing in a wheelchair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocNZ0PDZHd0&ab_channel=KoichiTakaki)

And this video of him singing Charlotte the Harlot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hInhywoNpSg&ab_channel=MetalMind) for what looks like some DVD has rough singing




Wonder if the guy has been keeping well. these are from 4-5 years ago.
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Post by: DoctorAction on December 04, 2020, 04:03:59 PM
He had some run in with benefits fraud, some health problems and then threw in the towel as far as i recall.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2020, 05:00:37 PM
So I listened to the new live album a few times via streaming and I must say, it is enjoyable.  Sounds super raw and very good for a band at their age. Bruce is not his best, but it sounds real.  I've always said I'd rather the live raw feel than a polished product when it comes to live albums, and this seems to be that.
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Post by: goo-goo on December 04, 2020, 08:02:57 PM
It sounds very raw but you got to take into account that Mexico City is a high altitude city. I think that's why he sounds winded in some songs.
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Post by: faizoff on December 04, 2020, 08:14:55 PM
It sounds very raw but you got to take into account that Mexico City is a high altitude city. I think that's why he sounds winded in some songs.

I think that would explain it. Not that I'm complaining, he really belts out still at this stage and still a fantastic performance. I just wished the guitars mix gave Adrian more prominence, only time you knew he was there was when he plays his solos. Setlist is really great, been listening to it more now and am really glad they included For The Greater Good Of God. I've listened to that track alone several times. I guess it's too much to hope for a live release of AMOLAD at this point.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 07, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
Talking Music with Adrian Smith - 'Gangland' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Ss2Lo6Gfk&ab_channel=IronMaiden)

Yes, more like this!  :tup
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Post by: DoctorAction on December 07, 2020, 03:45:59 PM
That was fun 😊
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Post by: TAC on December 07, 2020, 03:52:45 PM
That was great. I was watching say handful of Adrian interviews last night on Youtube. The guy is really cool and engaging.

For someone who could literally have anything in the world, I think the fact that he still has the gold Les Paul, which he says he has had since he was 18 says a lot about him.

BTW, I love Gangland, and I always bristle at the criticism it gets.
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Post by: Mladen on December 08, 2020, 01:48:23 AM
That video proves that even the least popular Maiden songs are pretty damn good. Look at that guitar work!  :metal
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Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2020, 04:32:25 AM
Talking Music with Adrian Smith - 'Gangland' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Ss2Lo6Gfk&ab_channel=IronMaiden)

Yes, more like this!  :tup

Fucking sensational.

Running through a deep cut, having fun, mistakes and all.  Brilliant.  Such a gracious, humble dude.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2020, 07:43:58 AM
Very cool, one of my least favorite IM songs but I love seeing the band not actually ignore these types of songs.
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Post by: Stadler on December 08, 2020, 09:33:25 AM
HA!!!  Even his MISTAKES are more musical than my real playing!   

I got to say; Gangland was never a favorite, and given that it knocked one of my all-time favorites - Total Eclipse - off the record, I've always held a grudge.   But watching him play it, and looking at how well thought out the rhythm is, it's got a new life.   I love Adrian's reactions; I'd never have known there was a mistake there without his "HA!"'s.   They actually made me smile. 

I'd love to hear more of these, for sure!
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 09:11:01 AM
I interviewed Adrian today, guys!!!!! I had 20 minutes with him, and was asked to focus on his book. But I did manage to fit in a few questions about his friendship with Dave Murray, joining Maiden, projects outside the band, Martin Birch, the first Rock in Rio, fan encounters etc. It was probably the most intense and tense 20 minutes I spent on the phone in an interview, and that includes job interviews as well. It will be published tomorrow, and I'll post the link here when it's ready. Hope you like it!!!
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2020, 09:13:04 AM
I interviewed Adrian today, guys!!!!! I had 20 minutes with him, and was asked to focus on his book. But I did manage to fit in a few questions about his friendship with Dave Murray, joining Maiden, projects outside the band, Martin Birch, the first Rock in Rio, fan encounters etc. It was probably the most intense and tense 20 minutes I spent on the phone in an interview, and that includes job interviews as well. It will be published tomorrow, and I'll post the link here when it's ready. Hope you like it!!!

Oh wow! Was it intimidating?
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 09:24:32 AM
I interviewed Adrian today, guys!!!!! I had 20 minutes with him, and was asked to focus on his book. But I did manage to fit in a few questions about his friendship with Dave Murray, joining Maiden, projects outside the band, Martin Birch, the first Rock in Rio, fan encounters etc. It was probably the most intense and tense 20 minutes I spent on the phone in an interview, and that includes job interviews as well. It will be published tomorrow, and I'll post the link here when it's ready. Hope you like it!!!

Oh wow! Was it intimidating?

A little bit...I got the call from someone in his office, and then the line was transferred to another number, someone else picked up and THEN Adrian joined the call. During the whole interview there was someone on the line, and when we approached the 18th minute someone said "ok, can you ask your last question?". I was VERY tense, but it turned out well.
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2020, 09:27:06 AM
Wow, that's very interesting. Really looking forward to it.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 09:59:49 AM
We will publish the audio and the transcript of the interview, and I am yet to transcribe it. I will give ONE spoiler, because I loved what he said about Martin Birch. I asked him to comment on how he helped shape the band's sound in the 80's, and he said "it's interesting that you said that, because  I always thought some of those albums should have been more polished. But he was great at balancing everyone's ideas and opinions, and managing egos".
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2020, 10:01:52 AM
I think Adrian is famous for never being happy with how things sound.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 09, 2020, 10:06:15 AM
I can imagine the pressure of interviewing such a legend!!! I bet he was chill about however.

I wonder if musicians of this caliber muse about their interviewers, or they forget about it the moment they had it  ;D stuff like "oh yeah, this guy is prepared, he's not asking the same questions" rather than "hehe he's totally fanboying and he's fighting to keep his cool, poor guy".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 10:06:44 AM
I think Adrian is famous for never being happy with how things sound.

 And he may have a point about the latest releases, but LEAVE THE 80's ALBUMS ALONE!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 10:07:55 AM
I can imagine the pressure of interviewing such a legend!!! I bet he was chill about however.

I wonder if musicians of this caliber muse about their interviewers, or they forget about it the moment they had it  ;D stuff like "oh yeah, this guy is prepared, he's not asking the same questions" rather than "hehe he's totally fanboying and he's fighting to keep his cool, poor guy".

 I think it does cross their minds... ;D
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Post by: cramx3 on December 09, 2020, 10:09:59 AM
I interviewed Adrian today, guys!!!!! I had 20 minutes with him, and was asked to focus on his book. But I did manage to fit in a few questions about his friendship with Dave Murray, joining Maiden, projects outside the band, Martin Birch, the first Rock in Rio, fan encounters etc. It was probably the most intense and tense 20 minutes I spent on the phone in an interview, and that includes job interviews as well. It will be published tomorrow, and I'll post the link here when it's ready. Hope you like it!!!

That is so cool  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 10:12:04 AM
I can imagine the pressure of interviewing such a legend!!! I bet he was chill about however.

I wonder if musicians of this caliber muse about their interviewers, or they forget about it the moment they had it  ;D stuff like "oh yeah, this guy is prepared, he's not asking the same questions" rather than "hehe he's totally fanboying and he's fighting to keep his cool, poor guy".

 I think once you reach that level, it's easy to feel removed from reality, and I can tell because I had to go through multiple levels until he joined the call. But he was really cool about it, as down to earth as it gets when you're in that league.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 10:13:38 AM
I interviewed Adrian today, guys!!!!! I had 20 minutes with him, and was asked to focus on his book. But I did manage to fit in a few questions about his friendship with Dave Murray, joining Maiden, projects outside the band, Martin Birch, the first Rock in Rio, fan encounters etc. It was probably the most intense and tense 20 minutes I spent on the phone in an interview, and that includes job interviews as well. It will be published tomorrow, and I'll post the link here when it's ready. Hope you like it!!!

That is so cool  :metal

I had one more question about fishing that I didn't ask because I felt he was comfortable enough to continue talking about Maiden. And one that I didn't have time to ask: "How does someone who's in a band with Bruce Dickinson as a singer managed to do lead vocals on a track?". I bet he would have loved that one.
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Post by: Stadler on December 09, 2020, 10:51:44 AM
I can imagine the pressure of interviewing such a legend!!! I bet he was chill about however.

I wonder if musicians of this caliber muse about their interviewers, or they forget about it the moment they had it  ;D stuff like "oh yeah, this guy is prepared, he's not asking the same questions" rather than "hehe he's totally fanboying and he's fighting to keep his cool, poor guy".

 I think once you reach that level, it's easy to feel removed from reality, and I can tell because I had to go through multiple levels until he joined the call. But he was really cool about it, as down to earth as it gets when you're in that league.

I can't even fathom that; having people set up my calls.   I'm on the phone a lot, and I'm blessed enough to be in a position where I talk to people of some influence and "power" for lack of a better word, and yet, the phone dials and rings all the same.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 09, 2020, 11:33:21 AM
I can imagine the pressure of interviewing such a legend!!! I bet he was chill about however.

I wonder if musicians of this caliber muse about their interviewers, or they forget about it the moment they had it  ;D stuff like "oh yeah, this guy is prepared, he's not asking the same questions" rather than "hehe he's totally fanboying and he's fighting to keep his cool, poor guy".

 I think once you reach that level, it's easy to feel removed from reality, and I can tell because I had to go through multiple levels until he joined the call. But he was really cool about it, as down to earth as it gets when you're in that league.

I can't even fathom that; having people set up my calls.   I'm on the phone a lot, and I'm blessed enough to be in a position where I talk to people of some influence and "power" for lack of a better word, and yet, the phone dials and rings all the same.  :)

Yea, that's certainly interesting but really goes in line with what I feel like IM's management is really like.  They are so tight like that it seems.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 12:20:51 PM
I can imagine the pressure of interviewing such a legend!!! I bet he was chill about however.

I wonder if musicians of this caliber muse about their interviewers, or they forget about it the moment they had it  ;D stuff like "oh yeah, this guy is prepared, he's not asking the same questions" rather than "hehe he's totally fanboying and he's fighting to keep his cool, poor guy".

That's Rod Smallwood's stronghold. Make no mistake, this has been his and Steve's baby from DAY ONE. I'm willing to bet that he and Steve decide the setlist, and the others just follow.

 I think once you reach that level, it's easy to feel removed from reality, and I can tell because I had to go through multiple levels until he joined the call. But he was really cool about it, as down to earth as it gets when you're in that league.

I can't even fathom that; having people set up my calls.   I'm on the phone a lot, and I'm blessed enough to be in a position where I talk to people of some influence and "power" for lack of a better word, and yet, the phone dials and rings all the same.  :)

Yea, that's certainly interesting but really goes in line with what I feel like IM's management is really like.  They are so tight like that it seems.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2020, 01:38:26 PM
I interviewed Adrian today, guys!!!!! I had 20 minutes with him, and was asked to focus on his book. But I did manage to fit in a few questions about his friendship with Dave Murray, joining Maiden, projects outside the band, Martin Birch, the first Rock in Rio, fan encounters etc. It was probably the most intense and tense 20 minutes I spent on the phone in an interview, and that includes job interviews as well. It will be published tomorrow, and I'll post the link here when it's ready. Hope you like it!!!

Wicked mate.  Look forward to it.
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Post by: Mladen on December 09, 2020, 03:08:11 PM
I am really looking forward to that interview! Kudos, Rodrigo.  :tup
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 09, 2020, 03:11:19 PM
I am really looking forward to that interview! Kudos, Rodrigo.  :tup

 Watch this space tomorrow!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 09, 2020, 03:29:39 PM
I can imagine the pressure of interviewing such a legend!!! I bet he was chill about however.

I wonder if musicians of this caliber muse about their interviewers, or they forget about it the moment they had it  ;D stuff like "oh yeah, this guy is prepared, he's not asking the same questions" rather than "hehe he's totally fanboying and he's fighting to keep his cool, poor guy".

 I think once you reach that level, it's easy to feel removed from reality, and I can tell because I had to go through multiple levels until he joined the call. But he was really cool about it, as down to earth as it gets when you're in that league.

I can't even fathom that; having people set up my calls.   I'm on the phone a lot, and I'm blessed enough to be in a position where I talk to people of some influence and "power" for lack of a better word, and yet, the phone dials and rings all the same.  :)

I believe it's also a matter of privacy to a certain extent, you can't have all interviewers knowing the phone number of musicians at Adrian Smith's level.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 09, 2020, 05:31:59 PM
I believe it's also a matter of privacy to a certain extent, you can't have all interviewers knowing the phone number of musicians at Adrian Smith's level.

Lawyers, on the other hand, get the good stuff!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on December 10, 2020, 05:19:12 AM
Ritchie Kotzen/Adrian Smith!
https://open.spotify.com/album/6YnInEhUUs5ghFRbPt8WvH?si=r5XPQZ8yQLG4HWjw1fvAjA
Rodrigo, do you know if this will be a full album?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on December 10, 2020, 06:15:09 AM
Yes, it will be.

Here's the YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MprqKfqGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MprqKfqGI)
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Post by: devieira73 on December 10, 2020, 06:21:27 AM
Nice! :metal
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Post by: TAC on December 10, 2020, 06:59:48 AM
Interesting. Do we know the rest of the lineup?

I am definitely not a fan of Kotzen. So boring.

I hope there's better material on this album. The musical break is nice though.

Definitely will have to hear it first.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 07:57:50 AM
 This will be a full album, and Adrian alluded to it in the interview. I'm excited for this, but the one track that was revealed sounded more like "Richie Kotzen, with special guest Adrian Smith". My guess is that Richie played drums and bass in it as well...maybe Adrian had a go at playing bass here and there too.
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Post by: TAC on December 10, 2020, 07:59:26 AM
This will be a full album, and Adrian alluded to it in the interview. I'm excited for this, but the one track that was revealed sounded more like "Richie Kotzen, with special guest Adrian Smith". My guess is that Richie played drums and bass in it as well...maybe Adrian had a go at playing bass here and there too.


Sounds like a pass to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2020, 08:12:28 AM
Yea, that just sounds like Ritchie Kotzen which is pretty good to me, but I wonder what Adrian's influence is on it because based on that, I would of just assumed it was a Ritchie song.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on December 10, 2020, 08:16:50 AM
Rodrigo Altaf INTERVIEW with Adrian Smith:

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-adrian-smith/

 :metal

 :hefdaddy
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Post by: devieira73 on December 10, 2020, 09:00:52 AM
Really good interview, Rodrigo, again!
Just one thing that I have a curiosity is if he thinks that it would be interesting for Maiden to work with another producer than Kevin Shirley. In my opinion, he never really was a right choice for Maiden, in terms of sound's quality.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 09:05:32 AM
Really good interview, Rodrigo, again!
Just one thing that I have a curiosity is if he thinks that it would be interesting for Maiden to work with another producer than Kevin Shirley. In my opinion, he never really was a right choice for Maiden, in terms of sound's quality.

Kevin is just a yes man for Steve Harris, to be honest.
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Post by: Stadler on December 10, 2020, 09:46:57 AM
Really good interview, Rodrigo, again!
Just one thing that I have a curiosity is if he thinks that it would be interesting for Maiden to work with another producer than Kevin Shirley. In my opinion, he never really was a right choice for Maiden, in terms of sound's quality.

Kevin is just a yes man for Steve Harris, to be honest.

I don't mean this as harshly as it sounds, but other than Bruce, who isn't?  It's his band, and he ultimately calls the shots and I think that's been pretty clear since back when Stratton and Di'Anno were in the band.
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Post by: nobloodyname on December 10, 2020, 09:49:35 AM
Rodrigo Altaf INTERVIEW with Adrian Smith:

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-adrian-smith/

 :metal

 :hefdaddy

That was a nice read. Thanks, Rodrigo.
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Post by: TAC on December 10, 2020, 09:55:33 AM
That's great Rodrigo, that you for sharing it with us.

I listened to the interview and i have one question... What was all that noise? Were you washing your dishes in the beginning of the interview? :lol
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 09:56:39 AM
That's great Rodrigo, that you for sharing it with us.

I listened to the interview and i have one question... What was all that noise? Were you washing your dishes in the beginning of the interview? :lol

The noise was at his end, no??
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Post by: TAC on December 10, 2020, 10:09:32 AM
Iron Maiden Guitarist Washes His Dishes While Being Interviewed!




 ;D
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Post by: MinistroRaven on December 10, 2020, 10:11:07 AM
Iron Maiden Guitarist Washes His Dishes While Being Interviewed!




 ;D

 :rollin
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Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2020, 10:12:06 AM
 :lol it was a bit noisy, but very cool and good interview!
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 10:15:20 AM
:lol it was a bit noisy, but very cool and good interview!

VERY noisy, and hard to transcribe too, because of that and due to Adrian's thick accent. I had the same issue when I interviewed Biff Byford and Steve Hackett - calls from the UK to Canada are usually VERY noisy. With Biff, there was a horrible delay, and I don't think we had the greatest rapport because of that.
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Post by: TAC on December 10, 2020, 10:27:54 AM
Your efforts are appreciated Rodrigo!




I love the headline quote you chose where he mentions not really being grateful for his time in the band the first time around. That's a money line, and it's too bad he dropped it so late in the interview to follow up on. I've seen and read a number of interviews on the book promo run, and that's the first time i have heard him say that.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
:lol it was a bit noisy, but very cool and good interview!

VERY noisy, and hard to transcribe too, because of that and due to Adrian's thick accent. I had the same issue when I interviewed Biff Byford and Steve Hackett - calls from the UK to Canada are usually VERY noisy. With Biff, there was a horrible delay, and I don't think we had the greatest rapport because of that.

Would it be better to do it over an internet service for the next time you're interviewing someone across the pond?  Like webex or zoom? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 10:38:18 AM
:lol it was a bit noisy, but very cool and good interview!

VERY noisy, and hard to transcribe too, because of that and due to Adrian's thick accent. I had the same issue when I interviewed Biff Byford and Steve Hackett - calls from the UK to Canada are usually VERY noisy. With Biff, there was a horrible delay, and I don't think we had the greatest rapport because of that.


Would it be better to do it over an internet service for the next time you're interviewing someone across the pond?  Like webex or zoom?

At that level, THEIR PR choses the way the artists will connect with interviewers. I usually go with Skype and it's great because I record it in two channels, and it's quite easy to correct any awkward silence, stuttering etc from either side. On the phone, it's much more difficult to correct anything.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
:lol it was a bit noisy, but very cool and good interview!

VERY noisy, and hard to transcribe too, because of that and due to Adrian's thick accent. I had the same issue when I interviewed Biff Byford and Steve Hackett - calls from the UK to Canada are usually VERY noisy. With Biff, there was a horrible delay, and I don't think we had the greatest rapport because of that.


Would it be better to do it over an internet service for the next time you're interviewing someone across the pond?  Like webex or zoom?

At that level, THEIR PR choses the way the artists will connect with interviewers. I usually go with Skype and it's great because I record it in two channels, and it's quite easy to correct any awkward silence, stuttering etc from either side. On the phone, it's much more difficult to correct anything.

Ah true, makes sense, but you'd hope their management would also want the best product.  I was wondering that too, I know you've had video interviews before.  I could see where they might want to just do audio and not video, but using those products for just audio are probably better given the locations.  What do I know, good stuff man, you've been grinding with the interviews and it's awesome you've got to do someone like Adrian.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on December 10, 2020, 10:47:40 AM
:lol it was a bit noisy, but very cool and good interview!

VERY noisy, and hard to transcribe too, because of that and due to Adrian's thick accent. I had the same issue when I interviewed Biff Byford and Steve Hackett - calls from the UK to Canada are usually VERY noisy. With Biff, there was a horrible delay, and I don't think we had the greatest rapport because of that.

This 100%

Would it be better to do it over an internet service for the next time you're interviewing someone across the pond?  Like webex or zoom?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 10:53:05 AM
:lol it was a bit noisy, but very cool and good interview!

VERY noisy, and hard to transcribe too, because of that and due to Adrian's thick accent. I had the same issue when I interviewed Biff Byford and Steve Hackett - calls from the UK to Canada are usually VERY noisy. With Biff, there was a horrible delay, and I don't think we had the greatest rapport because of that.


Would it be better to do it over an internet service for the next time you're interviewing someone across the pond?  Like webex or zoom?

At that level, THEIR PR choses the way the artists will connect with interviewers. I usually go with Skype and it's great because I record it in two channels, and it's quite easy to correct any awkward silence, stuttering etc from either side. On the phone, it's much more difficult to correct anything.

Ah true, makes sense, but you'd hope their management would also want the best product.  I was wondering that too, I know you've had video interviews before.  I could see where they might want to just do audio and not video, but using those products for just audio are probably better given the locations.  What do I know, good stuff man, you've been grinding with the interviews and it's awesome you've got to do someone like Adrian.

Thanks man...Adrian is definitely the cream of the crop...and it all started with me saying yes to MinistroRaven's offer to interview Derek Sherinian when the first Sons of Apollo album came out!
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Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2020, 10:54:02 AM
That's awesome, keep it up!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 10, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
:lol it was a bit noisy, but very cool and good interview!

VERY noisy, and hard to transcribe too, because of that and due to Adrian's thick accent. I had the same issue when I interviewed Biff Byford and Steve Hackett - calls from the UK to Canada are usually VERY noisy. With Biff, there was a horrible delay, and I don't think we had the greatest rapport because of that.


Would it be better to do it over an internet service for the next time you're interviewing someone across the pond?  Like webex or zoom?

At that level, THEIR PR choses the way the artists will connect with interviewers. I usually go with Skype and it's great because I record it in two channels, and it's quite easy to correct any awkward silence, stuttering etc from either side. On the phone, it's much more difficult to correct anything.

Ah true, makes sense, but you'd hope their management would also want the best product.  I was wondering that too, I know you've had video interviews before.  I could see where they might want to just do audio and not video, but using those products for just audio are probably better given the locations.  What do I know, good stuff man, you've been grinding with the interviews and it's awesome you've got to do someone like Adrian.

Thanks man...Adrian is definitely the cream of the crop...and it all started with me saying yes to MinistroRaven's offer to interview Derek Sherinian when the first Sons of Apollo album came out!

And I remember thinking, "this man only wants the promo and will run away with it" LOL  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on December 10, 2020, 11:00:57 AM
MinistroRaven, Rodrigo, I appreciate the time taken to do a transcript. I would almost never listen to an interview, but more often than usual if there's a transcript, I'll read it. So as long as you do transcripts and the interviewees are interesting enough, you've got a follower.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 11:08:00 AM
MinistroRaven, Rodrigo, I appreciate the time taken to do a transcript. I would almost never listen to an interview, but more often than usual if there's a transcript, I'll read it. So as long as you do transcripts and the interviewees are interesting enough, you've got a follower.

 Honestly, I stopped transcribing, and only do it when the band's PR demands it. It takes FOREVER to transcribe a single line properly. We use a software that captures audio and transcribes it, but with Adrian's accent, I had to correct the whole text...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on December 10, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
MinistroRaven, Rodrigo, I appreciate the time taken to do a transcript. I would almost never listen to an interview, but more often than usual if there's a transcript, I'll read it. So as long as you do transcripts and the interviewees are interesting enough, you've got a follower.

 Honestly, I stopped transcribing, and only do it when the band's PR demands it. It takes FOREVER to transcribe a single line properly. We use a software that captures audio and transcribes it, but with Adrian's accent, I had to correct the whole text...

Yeah, I noticed that, and I realize how time-consuming it is, and that's why I thanked you for this particular interview. I had a blast reading that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on December 10, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
That was an awesome interview! loved Adrian's candor and that part about not having much privacy kinda stuck with me. I'm the type of guy who never ever approaches any celebrity when they're out in the public, I've seen quite a few and my wife always bugs me to ask them for pictures, autographs, etc.. I always refuse, unless they start the conversation I never bother. I don't know why but I feel I'd want the same.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 12:07:48 PM
That was an awesome interview! loved Adrian's candor and that part about not having much privacy kinda stuck with me. I'm the type of guy who never ever approaches any celebrity when they're out in the public, I've seen quite a few and my wife always bugs me to ask them for pictures, autographs, etc.. I always refuse, unless they start the conversation I never bother. I don't know why but I feel I'd want the same.

I think when you start to get famous it must be a great feeling to be recognized in the streets, restaurants and all that. But that novelty quickly wears off, and when it's tough even for you to have breakfast like Adrian describes, it must be awful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 10, 2020, 12:28:31 PM
A close friend of mine claims (and has for the past 25-odd years) to have jammed with Adrian and Nicko while on vacation in the Bahamas once in the 90's.  My friend played bass, and when they started, Adrian leaned over and mumbled, "blues in C" and just went from there.

He's a close, close friend, and while he's prone to boasting, he's not one to make stories out of whole cloth.  I've not seen any photos but I tend to believe him.  I do know he said Adrian was on another level entirely in terms of playing (and my friend is no slouch; he's played 100's of shows and even cut a record back in the 90's.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 10, 2020, 12:30:23 PM
Nice interview! I can so understand what he said about meeting fans, and the difference between a couple of guys asking politely, and a mass of hysterical fans grabbing you. The eternal struggle between wanting to be nice to your fans and your right to your own privacy and sanity.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 10, 2020, 12:51:06 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-guitarist-adrian-smith-reflects-on-he-and-bandmate-dave-murray-s-teen-years-we-used-to-ruin-parties-by-putting-on-deep-purple-records



Well done, Rodrigo!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 10, 2020, 01:20:36 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-guitarist-adrian-smith-reflects-on-he-and-bandmate-dave-murray-s-teen-years-we-used-to-ruin-parties-by-putting-on-deep-purple-records



Well done, Rodrigo!!!

YES!!! I'm hoping Blabbermouth picks it up as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on December 11, 2020, 12:17:34 AM
Great interview, man! Congrats!
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Post by: Zydar on December 11, 2020, 12:37:06 AM
Yeah, really a great interview. Well done!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 11, 2020, 04:00:06 AM
Thanks again!

 I think we "kind of" secured a chat with Steve Harris when the new album is ready to be released...or rather, when the band is ready to release it, because it's 100% complete!  ;)
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Post by: wolfking on December 11, 2020, 04:26:58 AM
That was a really enjoyable interview mate.  Really well done.  Must be a dream come true.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on December 11, 2020, 08:42:20 AM
Thanks again!

 I think we "kind of" secured a chat with Steve Harris when the new album is ready to be released...or rather, when the band is ready to release it, because it's 100% complete!  ;)

I can't wait for a new Maiden album, been listening to nothing but the Bruce II era albums (live and studio) for the past 2-3 weeks and am so pumped for new material. Hopefully it's early 2021 rather than late 2021.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 11, 2020, 09:15:58 AM
That was a really enjoyable interview mate.  Really well done.  Must be a dream come true.

Thanks, and yeah, it was...I've been obsessed with Maiden since I was ten years old, and finally got to chat with one of them. It has been quite a journey from talking to Derek Sherinian up to this point.
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Post by: devieira73 on December 11, 2020, 09:56:58 AM
Thanks again!

 I think we "kind of" secured a chat with Steve Harris when the new album is ready to be released...or rather, when the band is ready to release it, because it's 100% complete!  ;)

Rodrigo, maybe you have more inside information... do you know if Kevin Shirley, besides producing (I think this is a safe bet because of his own comments a time ago), also made the mixing and mastering?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 11, 2020, 10:40:06 AM
Thanks again!

 I think we "kind of" secured a chat with Steve Harris when the new album is ready to be released...or rather, when the band is ready to release it, because it's 100% complete!  ;)

Rodrigo, maybe you have more inside information... do you know if Kevin Shirley, besides producing (I think this is a safe bet because of his own comments a time ago), also made the mixing and mastering?

I'm not sure. Actually, my follow up to Adrian's comments on Martin Birch would be to compare him with Kevin Shirley, but time was running out...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 11, 2020, 10:41:14 AM
I'd be surprised if there were any changes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 11, 2020, 10:43:30 AM
So we know the album is done... is there any scuttle as to when that might see release?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 11, 2020, 10:47:29 AM
Their last tourdate for next year is July 11th. I'd bet next September.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 11, 2020, 10:59:03 AM
So we know the album is done... is there any scuttle as to when that might see release?

The initial, tentative date was going to be Q1 2021. I was invited to a launch party in February in Miami, but now that's discarded/delayed, Heaven knows to when.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 11, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
So we know the album is done... is there any scuttle as to when that might see release?

The initial, tentative date was going to be Q1 2021. I was invited to a launch party in February in Miami, but now that's discarded/delayed, Heaven knows to when.

Was this even before the pandemic? I believe the masterplan was 2020 final Legacy of the Beast tour, then new album after that, and 2021 new album tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 11, 2020, 12:42:23 PM
So we know the album is done... is there any scuttle as to when that might see release?

The initial, tentative date was going to be Q1 2021. I was invited to a launch party in February in Miami, but now that's discarded/delayed, Heaven knows to when.

Was this even before the pandemic? I believe the masterplan was 2020 final Legacy of the Beast tour, then new album after that, and 2021 new album tour.

The first I heard about this was in January, before everything went downhill, so it looks like they have some sort of multi-annual planning. Just like any corporation.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on December 11, 2020, 01:10:26 PM
Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 11, 2020, 02:11:05 PM
Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).

Thanks, man! The format was really intimidating, because his PR was listening to the whole thing in the background, like a policeman making sure I adhere to the timing and to the subjects they dictated. The confirmation of the interview said I had 15 minutes, and during the call they said 20. They actually wrote this in the email:

"This interview is about his book only. Please no Iron Maiden questions unless it is related to the book or fishing (No “new album” questions or questions about the new live album)."

That's why in pretty much every question about Maiden I start with "in the book you say that..."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 11, 2020, 02:42:02 PM
I'd be surprised if there were any changes.

Indeed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 11, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).

Thanks, man! The format was really intimidating, because his PR was listening to the whole thing in the background, like a policeman making sure I adhere to the timing and to the subjects they dictated. The confirmation of the interview said I had 15 minutes, and during the call they said 20. They actually wrote this in the email:

"This interview is about his book only. Please no Iron Maiden questions unless it is related to the book or fishing (No “new album” questions or questions about the new live album)."

That's why in pretty much every question about Maiden I start with "in the book you say that..."
You're a pro.  :hefdaddy

I still haven't listened to the interview, but I'm looking forward to checking it out during the weekend.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on December 11, 2020, 04:11:19 PM
Thanks again!

 I think we "kind of" secured a chat with Steve Harris when the new album is ready to be released...or rather, when the band is ready to release it, because it's 100% complete!  ;)

This is kind of a scoop, right? Here's hoping they get bored enough to release it soon!

It won't hurt whatever ticket sales they do whenever they release it now, surely.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 11, 2020, 04:27:47 PM
I believe that more than sales considerations, which of course are a factor, there's also the fact that Maiden like to do things a certain way, they always had and they always will. It's basically 20 years that they tour in the summer with the odd exception, and their years are planned in advance with no intention or desire for a variation.

With other bands, you know never know when they'll tour next - they might have a spring tour or an autumn tour, they might do a random tour, they could do a coheadliner tour.... Iron Maiden by now like to tour just in the spring / summer and the only variation you get is which continent starts first, or if they use a plane or not. Might be a lifestyle thing as well, maybe the 6 band members are so used by now to work with the band in the summer that they don't even imagine piutting that aside for a October - December indoors tour or whatever. They wanted to dedicate summer 2020 to LotB and summer 2021 to the new album tour, and they postponed it all of a year, and Eddie knows what Rod Smallwood is planning right now because I'm afraid concerts in summer 2021 are too uncertain by now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on December 11, 2020, 10:50:22 PM
Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).

You're right. But just like with Bruce, we'll get a horribly neutered version of his time in Maiden while the band is still active. The only reason I'm looking forward to them hanging it up one day is so we get 'Bruce's Ultimate Version of The Truth' (not solely about the split, all of it; the composition, the arguments, the compromises). Bruce's book was good but...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 12, 2020, 03:35:07 AM
Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).

You're right. But just like with Bruce, we'll get a horribly neutered version of his time in Maiden while the band is still active. The only reason I'm looking forward to them hanging it up one day is so we get 'Bruce's Ultimate Version of The Truth' (not solely about the split, all of it; the composition, the arguments, the compromises). Bruce's book was good but...

We might never get that... knowing Rod Smallwood, he'll probably get these guys to sign Non Disclosure Agreements that will be valid even after the band calls it quits.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2020, 06:25:38 AM
Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).

You're right. But just like with Bruce, we'll get a horribly neutered version of his time in Maiden while the band is still active. The only reason I'm looking forward to them hanging it up one day is so we get 'Bruce's Ultimate Version of The Truth' (not solely about the split, all of it; the composition, the arguments, the compromises). Bruce's book was good but...


Bruce's book was not good. My opinion of course.

It's not that it lacked anything controversial of his Maiden days, it's the fact that it lacked anything from his Maiden days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 12, 2020, 06:52:01 AM
Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).

You're right. But just like with Bruce, we'll get a horribly neutered version of his time in Maiden while the band is still active. The only reason I'm looking forward to them hanging it up one day is so we get 'Bruce's Ultimate Version of The Truth' (not solely about the split, all of it; the composition, the arguments, the compromises). Bruce's book was good but...


Bruce's book was not good. My opinion of course.

It's not that it lacked anything controversial of his Maiden days, it's the fact that it lacked anything from his Maiden days.

I didn't like it either. The endless talk about planes was rather boring, to be honest. And although Adrian's book has even less info on Maiden - he only mentions things we already know, for the most part - it came across as a little bit less self indulgent than Bruce's, for some reason.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2020, 07:01:55 AM
Oh, there's a reason. It's because Adrian is not a self absorbed DB, and actually has some humility about him.

Adrian speaks and he's naturally funny. You can't help but smile when listening to him. I'm sure he tells some funny stories that are natural. Bruce's book was filled with a pun or a comedic remark, and you can just feel how proud Bruce felt of the reference, like he's the cleverest guy around.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 12, 2020, 07:49:07 AM
Oh, there's a reason. It's because Adrian is not a self absorbed DB, and actually has some humility about him.

Adrian speaks and he's naturally funny. You can't help but smile when listening to him. I'm sure he tells some funny stories that are natural. Bruce's book was filled with a pun or a comedic remark, and you can just feel how proud Bruce felt of the reference, like he's the cleverest guy around.

I'm a huge Bruce fan, but you can't deny he's got that vibe.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2020, 07:59:51 AM
Oh, there's a reason. It's because Adrian is not a self absorbed DB, and actually has some humility about him.

Adrian speaks and he's naturally funny. You can't help but smile when listening to him. I'm sure he tells some funny stories that are natural. Bruce's book was filled with a pun or a comedic remark, and you can just feel how proud Bruce felt of the reference, like he's the cleverest guy around.

I'm a huge Bruce fan, but you can't deny he's got that vibe.

Oh you can't deny his accomplishments.



Oh and add to the list that he's full of shit. His concert rants are fucking garbage. He always loved to rail against MTV. Well, without MTV, I never would've heard of Iron Maiden, never bought all the albums, concert tickets, and t shirts that I did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2020, 08:23:38 AM
Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).

You're right. But just like with Bruce, we'll get a horribly neutered version of his time in Maiden while the band is still active. The only reason I'm looking forward to them hanging it up one day is so we get 'Bruce's Ultimate Version of The Truth' (not solely about the split, all of it; the composition, the arguments, the compromises). Bruce's book was good but...

We might never get that... knowing Rod Smallwood, he'll probably get these guys to sign Non Disclosure Agreements that will be valid even after the band calls it quits.

Maybe that's Rod's plan, get all the members to sign off on non disclosure while he writes the book  :lol

Just got to finish listening to your interview Rodrigo - great job! Adrian is my favorite member of Maiden, so getting to hear his thoughts on things was great. Shame that you were somewhat forced into how the interview was conducted, limited on your time, etc. but you managed to get a lot in within the limited time you had. Hope Adrian will do a follow up book all about his music adventures, as I am sure that will be far more appealing to the fans than this book is (not that I'm slagging his book - just that I imagine most Maiden fans care more about his music career and stories than outside interests like fishing).

You're right. But just like with Bruce, we'll get a horribly neutered version of his time in Maiden while the band is still active. The only reason I'm looking forward to them hanging it up one day is so we get 'Bruce's Ultimate Version of The Truth' (not solely about the split, all of it; the composition, the arguments, the compromises). Bruce's book was good but...


Bruce's book was not good. My opinion of course.

It's not that it lacked anything controversial of his Maiden days, it's the fact that it lacked anything from his Maiden days.

I didn't like it either. The endless talk about planes was rather boring, to be honest. And although Adrian's book has even less info on Maiden - he only mentions things we already know, for the most part - it came across as a little bit less self indulgent than Bruce's, for some reason.

I enjoyed his book. It was advertised as not being about Maiden so I don't know why you'd hold that against the book.  But sure, Bruce's attitude could be the turn off and I can see that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 12, 2020, 08:25:55 AM
 Yeah, spot on about Bruce's stage rants, and that got the band into trouble at Ozzfest. Why would he bash Ozzy at all, but to do it at an even called OZZFEST, of all places???

 Also, I saw Maiden at the Dance of Death tour in Rio in 2004, and Metallica had just cancelled a show there for some reason. With the way things are in the music business today, we all know that bands only cancel a gig if there's a good reason for it. So on stage Bruce said "I'm glad we're here...we don't cancel shows like Metallica did!!!". Completely unnecessary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 12, 2020, 11:30:25 AM
Bruce had been ranting about not being a nostalgia act since 1999, when they initially reunited.  Thats six years prior to the Ozzfest drama.   Granted, it wasn't smart for him to say that when they were invited by a nostalgia act (Sabbath) on that tour, but it wasn't like he was doing anything new or directly calling out Sabbath.

Sabbath just happened to be guilty of what he was saying.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Bruce had been ranting about not being a nostalgia act since 1999, when they initially reunited.


And then this so called non nostalgia act based what 4 or 5 tours now based on....


hmm......




what could it be?....



(https://i.imgflip.com/4q425x.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2020, 12:13:02 PM
Including that 06 Ozzfest was the US leg of the Early Years tour, my first time seeing them.

I do agree, Bruce has a big mouth and should not have ripped on Ozzy while on his tour, but I dont think it means they got what they deserved or anything like that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 12, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Bruce had been ranting about not being a nostalgia act since 1999, when they initially reunited.


And then this so called non nostalgia act based what 4 or 5 tours now based on....


hmm......




what could it be?....



(https://i.imgflip.com/4q425x.jpg)

But look at the other tours in between...they tour on a new album and play a good chunk of it live. Alternating those cycles with the retrospective/nostalgia tours.   They put their money where their mouth is time and time again. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2020, 01:01:51 PM
Yea, they may have the nostalgia tours but they are far from being a nostalgia act. Was just thinking how cool it was for the Book of Souls tour, first leg had Tears of a Clown on the set but the next leg swapped it with The Great Unknown. For a band this late in their career with a significant amount of classic songs, they play an awful lot of their newer material.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
Guys, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't in any way view Iron Maiden as a nostalgia act. They have released some of their best material in the Reunion Era.
You can't deny that half of their tours have been nostalgia tours, and I'm not criticizing the band for it.


 I'm only calling bullshit on Bruce. As usual, he's full of shit.
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Post by: faizoff on December 12, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
Side note about their setlist, I was extremely impressed that they played the entire AMOLAD album on the 1st leg of that tour cycle, it's a crime they never recorded and released a live album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 12, 2020, 01:57:46 PM
Guys, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't in any way view Iron Maiden as a nostalgia act. They have released some of their best material in the Reunion Era.
You can't deny that half of their tours have been nostalgia tours, and I'm not criticizing the band for it.


 I'm only calling bullshit on Bruce. As usual, he's full of shit.

I'm not misunderstanding you, but you have to see that they balanced the nostalgia tours around tours for their new studio albums:


Ed Hunter/Reunion Tour (nostalgia)
ave New World (new album tour)
Give 'Em 'Ed (nostalgia)
Dance of Death (new album tour)
The Early Days (nostalgia)
AMOLAD (new album tour - played album in full)
Somewhere Back in Time (nostalgia)
The Final Frontier (new album tour)
Maiden England tour (nostalgia)
The Book of Souls tour (new album tour)
The Legacy of the Beast (nostalgia)

In the mid-late 90's, you had bands like Sabbath, Kiss and The Eagles basically doing reunions without any new material to support, touring year after year and trotting out their classic songs.
 That's what Bruce was saying.  When he says "this is not about nostalgia," he's saying that Maiden isn't going to rest on their laurels and rake in the money.  They're going to continue to write new music, put out albums, and play those songs live.  It doesn't mean that Maiden will never do nostalgia tours - it's just that there is new music to balance it out.

In this instance, I have never felt that Bruce was in the wrong to say so, as they've always backed up his words and Maiden has never relied entirely on nostalgia.  He was dumb to open for Sabbath and say that though, as Sabbath came on next and played no song written after 1973.  Sharon didn't realize that Bruce had been saying that for years, and instead of taking it as an insult, Sabbath should have risen to the occasion and written new music.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2020, 02:14:31 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on December 12, 2020, 04:17:45 PM
I thought the Bruce book was largely dull and not engagingly written, unfortunately. I did read it straight after reading Robert Webb's fantastic autobiography, though, and it paled next to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on December 13, 2020, 03:18:54 AM
I listened to the audiobook, read by Bruce himself, and I quite enjoyed it. But then I am interested in some aspects of his life outside of the music.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 13, 2020, 04:30:38 AM
I've just listened to Rodrigo's interview with Adrian and I enjoyed it, but I had trouble understanding all of it. At what point in the interview did he confirm the new album has been made?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 13, 2020, 04:36:02 AM
I've just listened to Rodrigo's interview with Adrian and I enjoyed it, but I had trouble understanding all of it. At what point in the interview did he confirm the new album has been made?

He didn't.  I just assumed Rodrigo had some inside info.  Speculation has been out there for a while though.  A lot of things pointing towards it being in the can.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 13, 2020, 06:34:45 AM
I've read Bruce's book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not that much info about Maiden, that's true, but a lot of insight into Bruce and his undertakings over the years.

And since when is Bruce Dickinson "full of shit"?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 13, 2020, 06:49:51 AM
I've just listened to Rodrigo's interview with Adrian and I enjoyed it, but I had trouble understanding all of it. At what point in the interview did he confirm the new album has been made?

He didn't.  I just assumed Rodrigo had some inside info.  Speculation has been out there for a while though.  A lot of things pointing towards it being in the can.

He didn't confirm. The contact that our editor has in the Maiden camp has confirmed it, and he's the one who promised us an invitation to the launch party when it was scheduled for January 2021. Maiden's M.O. has been like that even before the internet days: they invite journalists that they trust for a listening party of the new albums. Hopefully our invitation will be carried over for when the new release date is confirmed!!!

Regarding the difficulty to understand...boy, does Adrian have a thick accent!!! And like I said before, the quality of the call didn't help either. I'm glad to have transcribed it, so that things are a little bit more clear to understand.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 13, 2020, 08:26:13 AM
Thanks for the insight, Rodrigo. That is really cool.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 13, 2020, 08:38:01 AM
I've read Bruce's book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not that much info about Maiden, that's true, but a lot of insight into Bruce and his undertakings over the years.

And since when is Bruce Dickinson "full of shit"?

Bruce is full of himself, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 13, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
I kind of get the impression Bruce cares for artistic integrity and being graceful. So when a band performs in a reality show, makes a movie of themselves fighting, or gets into scandals, he picks on them. The part that bugs him is that those particular bands are larger than Iron Maiden, despite them in his opinion not showing integrity nor grace.

It's like "You'll never see me in a cheesy documentary, nor in a talent show, nor in tabloid news, and yet I'm still playing to smaller crowds. What the hell?"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 13, 2020, 11:33:46 AM
I've just listened to Rodrigo's interview with Adrian and I enjoyed it, but I had trouble understanding all of it. At what point in the interview did he confirm the new album has been made?

He didn't.  I just assumed Rodrigo had some inside info.  Speculation has been out there for a while though.  A lot of things pointing towards it being in the can.

He didn't confirm. The contact that our editor has in the Maiden camp has confirmed it, and he's the one who promised us an invitation to the launch party when it was scheduled for January 2021. Maiden's M.O. has been like that even before the internet days: they invite journalists that they trust for a listening party of the new albums. Hopefully our invitation will be carried over for when the new release date is confirmed!!!

Regarding the difficulty to understand...boy, does Adrian have a thick accent!!! And like I said before, the quality of the call didn't help either. I'm glad to have transcribed it, so that things are a little bit more clear to understand.

If you can't make it, let me know and I'll cover  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 13, 2020, 02:37:56 PM
We all like to think that if we were Bruce Dickinson we'd be very quiet, humble, unassuming and wouldn't ruffle any feathers, but I'm pretty sure that if you put me in his situation, you wouldn't be able to pull my head out of my ass either. Like what is he gonna say? That his life isn't fascinating and cool in a way that's almost completely self-made? That his band isn't the epitome of breaking new ground, working hard, influencing millions and never resting on one's laurels? Whatever minuscule mistakes IM has put to tape along the way, they're Iron Maiden, and Bruce Dickinson is Bruce Dickinson.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 13, 2020, 03:19:40 PM
I've just listened to Rodrigo's interview with Adrian and I enjoyed it, but I had trouble understanding all of it. At what point in the interview did he confirm the new album has been made?

He didn't.  I just assumed Rodrigo had some inside info.  Speculation has been out there for a while though.  A lot of things pointing towards it being in the can.

He didn't confirm. The contact that our editor has in the Maiden camp has confirmed it, and he's the one who promised us an invitation to the launch party when it was scheduled for January 2021. Maiden's M.O. has been like that even before the internet days: they invite journalists that they trust for a listening party of the new albums. Hopefully our invitation will be carried over for when the new release date is confirmed!!!

Regarding the difficulty to understand...boy, does Adrian have a thick accent!!! And like I said before, the quality of the call didn't help either. I'm glad to have transcribed it, so that things are a little bit more clear to understand.

If you can't make it, let me know and I'll cover  :biggrin:

I don't even know if/when it's going to happen... ;D :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 13, 2020, 05:08:27 PM
We all like to think that if we were Bruce Dickinson we'd be very quiet, humble, unassuming and wouldn't ruffle any feathers, but I'm pretty sure that if you put me in his situation, you wouldn't be able to pull my head out of my ass either. Like what is he gonna say? That his life isn't fascinating and cool in a way that's almost completely self-made? That his band isn't the epitome of breaking new ground, working hard, influencing millions and never resting on one's laurels? Whatever minuscule mistakes IM has put to tape along the way, they're Iron Maiden, and Bruce Dickinson is Bruce Dickinson.

Totally, he's really not that bad when you consider some of his peers, including Ozzy. He's not perfect, but he's a pretty overall solid dude who's got his faults like everyone else.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 14, 2020, 07:26:18 AM
And as for the tours, I would BEG my favorite bands to do that.  If Kiss alternated "new tours" with "nostalgia" tours, I'd go see THEM every tour too.   Or Dream Theater (though they're pretty close), or Aerosmith or Marillion...    it certainly helps that their new stuff supports that (The Book Of Souls tour was one of their best tours, IMO), but I wish other bands embraced their catalogue like Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 14, 2020, 07:38:11 AM
We all like to think that if we were Bruce Dickinson we'd be very quiet, humble, unassuming and wouldn't ruffle any feathers, but I'm pretty sure that if you put me in his situation, you wouldn't be able to pull my head out of my ass either. Like what is he gonna say? That his life isn't fascinating and cool in a way that's almost completely self-made? That his band isn't the epitome of breaking new ground, working hard, influencing millions and never resting on one's laurels? Whatever minuscule mistakes IM has put to tape along the way, they're Iron Maiden, and Bruce Dickinson is Bruce Dickinson.

Totally, he's really not that bad when you consider some of his peers, including Ozzy. He's not perfect, but he's a pretty overall solid dude who's got his faults like everyone else.

Let's also consider all his other accomplishments. Ozzy has "just" a TV show going for him beside his carrer, Bruce has done everything, from sports to flying planes and being an entrepeneur. You don't get that good at basically everything you do without being a bit self aware and therefore liking yourself. I shouldn't even speak because I downright worship the man and I'm not that objective, but the book never seemed so self-complacent to me and it was a nice read. The Sarajevo and cancer chapters were by far the best ones. And the show to present the book was great and he's a great entertainer even when he's not singing. I recognize he's neither an angel nor Tom Hanks level of humble, but for all his achievements, he's still great enough to have actual respect and admiration for him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 14, 2020, 07:52:18 AM
Look, I'm an Ozzy fan, and I think you have to have something other than pure talent to get to the level he's at, even if it's just organizational skills, but Ozzy doesn't hold Bruce's jock when it comes to extra-musicular things.  I don't count the "TV show" as anything special.    You can roll out of bed to shuffle across the kitchen floor, grab the trash bag and mumble "I'm the prince of fucking darkness!" (literally the only scene I've ever seen from The Obsbornes).     You cannot roll out of bed and be a champion fencer, fly ANY plane let along the large craft that Bruce flies, or write books yourself (no ghostwriter).   That takes training, planning, and commitment.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 14, 2020, 07:54:56 AM
Oh, Bruce is truly admirable and driven. The guy has done a ridiculous amount of stuff, and has succeeded in all of it. I applaud that for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on December 14, 2020, 11:35:09 AM
I've read Bruce's book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not that much info about Maiden, that's true, but a lot of insight into Bruce and his undertakings over the years.

And since when is Bruce Dickinson "full of shit"?

Bruce is full of himself, that's for sure.


I'm just musing here a bit, but I wonder what it must be like to be recognized everywhere you go?  To have throngs of screaming fans reaching up to you from the pit in from of the stage, having 60,000 fans scream when you tell them to, etc. 


I'd like to think I'd be able to maintain a level of self-deprecation and humility, but who knows what kind of impact all of that has on a person?   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 14, 2020, 11:43:31 AM
I've read Bruce's book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not that much info about Maiden, that's true, but a lot of insight into Bruce and his undertakings over the years.

And since when is Bruce Dickinson "full of shit"?

Bruce is full of himself, that's for sure.


I'm just musing here a bit, but I wonder what it must be like to be recognized everywhere you go?  To have throngs of screaming fans reaching up to you from the pit in from of the stage, having 60,000 fans scream when you tell them to, etc. 


I'd like to think I'd be able to maintain a level of self-deprecation and humility, but who knows what kind of impact all of that has on a person?

I think it has to change you, no matter how hard you try to maintain normalcy.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 14, 2020, 11:51:22 AM
I've read Bruce's book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not that much info about Maiden, that's true, but a lot of insight into Bruce and his undertakings over the years.

And since when is Bruce Dickinson "full of shit"?

Bruce is full of himself, that's for sure.


I'm just musing here a bit, but I wonder what it must be like to be recognized everywhere you go?  To have throngs of screaming fans reaching up to you from the pit in from of the stage, having 60,000 fans scream when you tell them to, etc. 


I'd like to think I'd be able to maintain a level of self-deprecation and humility, but who knows what kind of impact all of that has on a person?

I think it has to change you, no matter how hard you try to maintain normalcy.

No doubt, I very much believe I would be a changed person if I became famous and I fear most of the changes would be bad for my personality.  I'd hope I'd be able to stay humble, but I feel that would be so difficult.  You'll have so many people, even family and friends, try to sway you into things as well which would change who you trust and your close personal relationships.  In some ways, it's like when someone wins the lottery and their life actually gets worse.

There was an interview recently with Corey Taylor who said it was perfect when Slipknot got famous because he wore a mask so no one really knew who he was.  He was able to have the benefits of being famous (money, stability) without the negatives (people knowing who you are).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 14, 2020, 12:09:26 PM
I think there are times where a musician can be famous and have no one know who they are if they ended up at a random spot like an airport or a restaurant.  When I ran into Myles Kennedy at the airport, last year, going from Orlando to Raleigh, NC, I had the impression that no one else at the gate area, other than myself, knew who he is.  He immediately knew I was a guy that attended Alter Bridge's album listening party the day prior since he asked if I had a good time that day.  It turned out, after we landed in Raleigh, and after I chatted with him a bit at baggage claim that there was a few Australian fans (who also flew from Orlando to Raleigh) that wanted to talk to him as well.

Also sports athletes can have this aura as well where they can go unrecognized and be very humble.  I've read that Jarome Iginla, who spent most of his career with the Calgary Flames, but is recognized as one of the greater players in the NHL in the modern age, recently was interviewed by a Boston news channel talking about the heavier snow weather there (he resides nearby the Boston area now after retiring a few years back) and I don't think they knew what he did for a living, despite spending a season with the Bruins back in 2013-14.  Iginla, to his credit, always has a reputation of being one of the more easy-going guys to be around off the ice and not let fame affect him.

Must be a great dream to do what you love for a living, get paid for it well, go into retirement, and not have people know who you are if you are in a random area.  That's what something Neil Peart would probably love to strived to attain at times.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 14, 2020, 12:41:23 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-guitarist-adrian-smith-reflects-on-he-and-bandmate-dave-murray-s-teen-years-we-used-to-ruin-parties-by-putting-on-deep-purple-records



Well done, Rodrigo!!!

YES!!! I'm hoping Blabbermouth picks it up as well.

Got your wish https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-adrian-smith-praises-late-producer-martin-birch-he-let-us-sound-like-we-sounded (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-adrian-smith-praises-late-producer-martin-birch-he-let-us-sound-like-we-sounded)  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 14, 2020, 12:46:45 PM
Must be a great dream to do what you love for a living, get paid for it well, go into retirement, and not have people know who you are if you are in a random area.  That's what something Neil Peart would probably love to strived to attain at times.

I remember once reading a list about "famous musicians that nobody knows" or something like that - it was basically session musicians who are so good at their craft, that they're in hot demand, so they get paid a lot for their work, but they don't go on tour for whatever reason (personal preference, they are just hired guns etc...). Basically there's a ton of good musicians out there that everybody has heard 50 songs they play on, and they would never recognize them or even know their name if they'd pass them by on the streets.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 14, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-guitarist-adrian-smith-reflects-on-he-and-bandmate-dave-murray-s-teen-years-we-used-to-ruin-parties-by-putting-on-deep-purple-records



Well done, Rodrigo!!!

YES!!! I'm hoping Blabbermouth picks it up as well.

Got your wish https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-adrian-smith-praises-late-producer-martin-birch-he-let-us-sound-like-we-sounded (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-adrian-smith-praises-late-producer-martin-birch-he-let-us-sound-like-we-sounded)  :metal

YAY!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on December 14, 2020, 03:29:07 PM
Must be a great dream to do what you love for a living, get paid for it well, go into retirement, and not have people know who you are if you are in a random area.  That's what something Neil Peart would probably love to strived to attain at times.

I remember once reading a list about "famous musicians that nobody knows" or something like that - it was basically session musicians who are so good at their craft, that they're in hot demand, so they get paid a lot for their work, but they don't go on tour for whatever reason (personal preference, they are just hired guns etc...). Basically there's a ton of good musicians out there that everybody has heard 50 songs they play on, and they would never recognize them or even know their name if they'd pass them by on the streets.

I always thought Larry Mullen Jr. of U2 had the best situation. In a massively popular influential band that can sell out stadiums but nobody really knows who the hell he is outside of diehard fans.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 15, 2020, 02:59:45 PM
Is this a good place to mention Blaze Bayley is releasing a new album? War within me is coming out on April 9th.

https://blazebayley.co.uk/

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 15, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Is this a good place to mention Blaze Bayley is releasing a new album? War within me is coming out on April 9th.

https://blazebayley.co.uk/

 :metal

I didn't care too much for that trilogy thing he just did, but I'll gladly check this out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 15, 2020, 03:06:36 PM
Lol, 3 of the song titles;

The Dream of Alan Turing
The Power of Nikola Tesla
The Unstoppable Stephen Hawking

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 15, 2020, 05:42:49 PM
Lol, 3 of the song titles;

The Dream of Alan Turing
The Power of Nikola Tesla
The Unstoppable Stephen Hawking

 :lol

I'm going to order the one with the Japanese Bonus Tracks

The Stubborn Steve Harris
The Douchery Of Bruce Dickinson
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 15, 2020, 05:48:18 PM
Lol, 3 of the song titles;

The Dream of Alan Turing
The Power of Nikola Tesla
The Unstoppable Stephen Hawking

 :lol


I'm going to order the one with the Japanese Bonus Tracks

The Stubborn Steve Harris
The Douchery Of Bruce Dickinson

LOL

 His output is hit and miss...and A WHOLE LOT of miss. This one seems to have been made on an app called "MetalRiffGenerator.exe": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJTXqHA2eYs
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on December 15, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
https://rockinrio.com/rio/pt-br/line-up/
Maiden already did the Legacy of The Beast show in the last RiR. So it seems to me that the new album will be out before next september (although I still doubt that this RiR will happen... at least in Rio de Janeiro or in Brazil).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on December 15, 2020, 11:30:31 PM
We all like to think that if we were Bruce Dickinson we'd be very quiet, humble, unassuming and wouldn't ruffle any feathers, but I'm pretty sure that if you put me in his situation, you wouldn't be able to pull my head out of my ass either. Like what is he gonna say? That his life isn't fascinating and cool in a way that's almost completely self-made? That his band isn't the epitome of breaking new ground, working hard, influencing millions and never resting on one's laurels? Whatever minuscule mistakes IM has put to tape along the way, they're Iron Maiden, and Bruce Dickinson is Bruce Dickinson.

Change Bruce Dickinson's personality and you fundamentally change Iron Maiden and their history. It's as simple as that.

Loved your comment about Adrian's accent, Rodrigo. He just sounds very London to me (which is, of course, very accented to people not from London although there are big degrees of difference contained within), which is what I grew up with on my mum's side.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 16, 2020, 05:00:12 AM
Lol, 3 of the song titles;

The Dream of Alan Turing
The Power of Nikola Tesla
The Unstoppable Stephen Hawking

 :lol

I'm going to order the one with the Japanese Bonus Tracks

The Stubborn Steve Harris
The Douchery Of Bruce Dickinson
Brilliant.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on December 16, 2020, 05:57:29 AM
https://rockinrio.com/rio/pt-br/line-up/
Maiden already did the Legacy of The Beast show in the last RiR. So it seems to me that the new album will be out before next september (although I still doubt that this RiR will happen... at least in Rio de Janeiro or in Brazil).

Bruce about Maiden's appearance on this festival:
"The 'Legacy of the Beast' tour was a lot of fun, you just have to wait and see what we plan for next time..."
https://whiplash.net/materias/news_736/327113-ironmaiden.html (in portuguese)
Well, let's hope they don't change plans again and release the new album in 2021.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 16, 2020, 06:03:43 AM
I just saw an announcement of a tour moved to Autumn 2021 for Fintroll. The other day both... Epica and Opeth if I remember correctly? postponed their tours to 2022. Helloween as far as I remember rescheduled their shows for next spring, but now the new album is scheduled for August and in April we'll get only the single.

I don't know, every band will decide for themselves, but the gut feeling is that plenty of bands are already giving up on 2021 and they're planning tours for 2022. There will be concerts in 2021, but I'm afraid they will be local ones and bands will have difficulties to tour several nations depending on the various restrictions which still be in place.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 16, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
Meanwhile Evergrey just announced a fall 2021 tour or Europe.  I think some bands are feeling hopeful that by the fall we can do things again as the vaccine should be widely available by then.  Dream Theater announced they are playing Rock in Rio in September.  I think 2022 is the safe bet, but it seems some think fall 2021 is going to happen.  We will see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Evermind on December 16, 2020, 09:52:50 AM
Man, if concerts and international travel are a thing come fall 2021, I'm going to be able to catch Blind Guardian, Evergrey/Witherfall and visit ProgPower Europe 2021 in one trip. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 04, 2021, 01:57:40 PM
Is this where we discuss the live album?

I got it and I listened to it today; it's very good, not their best, but I will say this: I don't think I've ever listened to a live album and has as strong a feeling of "I wish I was there!".  It brought back so many (good) memories of seeing the show, I can forgive some of the shortcomings.

Highlights:  Bruce sounds good, for the most part.  You know he was working hard during Aces High, but he still sounded good.   The guitar solos are right there for you, and sound great.  Song selection is well-documented, but it really works.

Lowlights: none, really, though it seemed... short.  105 minutes, or an hour and 45 minutes.  They must've cut some of the banter (and there was some downtime between songs as they "set" the stage that was cut). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 04, 2021, 03:31:27 PM
Bruce only really talked once in the show, before The Clansman, but for sure I believe (haven't heard it yet in full) that they cut down the downtime moments between a song or the other.

For example, when they set up the stage for the church before Revelations, there's just some background noise to simulate machinery working, I expect that has been cut since it makes no sense on audio.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 04, 2021, 03:41:49 PM
I recall at the LA show before they played The Clansman where Bruce decided to bring Hollywood into it by mentioning the movie, Braveheart.  He remarked on why they decided to bring an Australian actor to play the role of a Scotsman and thought that was just Hollywood being weird or something like that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2021, 03:54:25 PM
I recall at the LA show before they played The Clansman where Bruce decided to bring Hollywood into it by mentioning the movie, Braveheart.  He remarked on why they decided to bring an Australian actor to play the role of a Scotsman and thought that was just Hollywood being weird or something like that.

He seems to always bring up Braveheart when playing the Clansman.

I haven't bought the live album, but streamed it enough to say I actually really enjoy it.  It sounds live and I like that, mistakes and all.  It's not perfect and that's totally cool with me as long as it feels legit, which it totally does.  It's pretty damn enjoyable but just makes me mad it's not in video form.  Would have been awesome to see the a full video, well produced and all in Mexico for Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 04, 2021, 04:11:45 PM
He always gets going a bit before The Clansman, a speech during the Gimme the Ed tour in 2003 was so legendary that I can almost type it from memory.

He first talked about the movie not being that great, but having a good message about freedom, saying how freedom is important and these days you're not supposed to have certain kind of thoughts, and you're not supposed to listen to certain kind of music. Going on about how kids are being picked on for not listening to "cool" music.
"Well, back in the xxth century there was a guy named William Wallace and when they tried to take their rights from him, he chopped their heads off, that's what he did. This may be going too far in this day and age... but this is for all of you who have stuck with metal music, the stuff that you like, not what the radio or the media like, the stuff that it's in your head and your hearts!
And as long as it's in your heads and your hearts, we will always be here to play it for you my friends, THE CLANSMAN"  :metal

Ah, reading it probably means nothing and sounds cocky, you should just see the Nurburgring video  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2021, 05:00:44 PM
He always gets going a bit before The Clansman, a speech during the Gimme the Ed tour in 2003 was so legendary that I can almost type it from memory.

He first talked about the movie not being that great, but having a good message about freedom, saying how freedom is important and these days you're not supposed to have certain kind of thoughts, and you're not supposed to listen to certain kind of music. Going on about how kids are being picked on for not listening to "cool" music.
"Well, back in the xxth century there was a guy named William Wallace and when they tried to take their rights from him, he chopped their heads off, that's what he did. This may be going too far in this day and age... but this is for all of you who have stuck with metal music, the stuff that you like, not what the radio or the media like, the stuff that it's in your head and your hearts!
And as long as it's in your heads and your hearts, we will always be here to play it for you my friends, THE CLANSMAN"  :metal

Ah, reading it probably means nothing and sounds cocky, you should just see the Nurburgring video  :D

I read it in Bruce's voice so it worked for me  :lol but I have a bootleg of the local Give Me Ed show with a speech very similar.  Sadly, I did not attend, this was RIGHT before I became a IM fan, I actually was very much considering going to check them out though but instead used my tickets (I had 4 tickets to use for a select bunch of shows that summer at the local venue) to see Def Leppard with my friends instead.  Funny though, I was already a DL fan, but not a big enough fan to know about the new wave of british heavy metal that both DL and IM were part of. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 04, 2021, 05:16:14 PM
Maybe it's a Southern thing, but down here we got an admonition "make sure you fucking spell it right, it's Clansman with a C."  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 04, 2021, 06:45:27 PM
Is this where we discuss the live album?

I got it and I listened to it today; it's very good, not their best, but I will say this: I don't think I've ever listened to a live album and has as strong a feeling of "I wish I was there!".  It brought back so many (good) memories of seeing the show, I can forgive some of the shortcomings.

Highlights:  Bruce sounds good, for the most part.  You know he was working hard during Aces High, but he still sounded good.   The guitar solos are right there for you, and sound great.  Song selection is well-documented, but it really works.

Lowlights: none, really, though it seemed... short.  105 minutes, or an hour and 45 minutes.  They must've cut some of the banter (and there was some downtime between songs as they "set" the stage that was cut).


To me, Bruce sounds so bad, it's actually a bit distracting. It's terrible, honestly. I remember the main criticism of DOTR was Bruce's vocals, which I didn't understand. But these? Yikes. And people are giving James shit over Distant Memories?


To me, the hero of this tour and album is Nicko. He is amazing on this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on January 04, 2021, 06:48:37 PM

He seems to always bring up Braveheart when playing the Clansman.


Well the song is about William Wallace and certainly inspired by the film (FREEEEEDOM!).   

My favorite intro to the Clansman was on the Ed Hunter tour in 1999.   In Chicago, he said "This is not a song about men in pointy white hats, this is a song about William Wallace, Braveheart, etc.....)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 04, 2021, 06:53:47 PM
the Ed Hunter tour in 1999. 




Even though Boston was one of the shows Adrian missed, I freaking loved that show. One of my favorite tours by them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2021, 07:02:47 PM
Is this where we discuss the live album?

I got it and I listened to it today; it's very good, not their best, but I will say this: I don't think I've ever listened to a live album and has as strong a feeling of "I wish I was there!".  It brought back so many (good) memories of seeing the show, I can forgive some of the shortcomings.

Highlights:  Bruce sounds good, for the most part.  You know he was working hard during Aces High, but he still sounded good.   The guitar solos are right there for you, and sound great.  Song selection is well-documented, but it really works.

Lowlights: none, really, though it seemed... short.  105 minutes, or an hour and 45 minutes.  They must've cut some of the banter (and there was some downtime between songs as they "set" the stage that was cut).


To me, Bruce sounds so bad, it's actually a bit distracting. It's terrible, honestly. I remember the main criticism of DOTR was Bruce's vocals, which I didn't understand. But these? Yikes. And people are giving James shit over Distant Memories?


To me, the hero of this tour and album is Nicko. He is amazing on this.

I give JLB more shit than Bruce because JLB sounds touched up to the point it becomes noticeable and distracting to me.  Bruce shows his warts and I'm ok with it because that's my preference for a live album, plus I don't think it's really that bad to be distracting the way the touched up vocals can be.  I guess if I felt the rawness of it made it worse, I'd agree but I just don't in this case. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 04, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
Yeah, that's fair Cram. At least with Bruce, it is what it is, and that's totally cool. But this is easily his worse performance on any of their live albums.

Anyway, I was just giving a counterpoint to Stadler. I don't want to come off as negative.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2021, 08:35:00 PM
I don't understand why Steve simply swallow his pride and tune down half a step.  It would make all the difference for Bruce IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on January 05, 2021, 12:01:44 AM
I don't understand why Steve simply swallow his pride and tune down half a step.  It would make all the difference for Bruce IMO.

If he didn't do it for Blaze who outright needed those songs to be down-tuned to match his baritone range, I don't see Steve ever doing it for Bruce. But yes, he absolutely should. It'd help a lot, I think.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2021, 12:14:36 AM
I don't understand why Steve simply swallow his pride and tune down half a step.  It would make all the difference for Bruce IMO.

If he didn't do it for Blaze who outright needed those songs to be down-tuned to match his baritone range, I don't see Steve ever doing it for Bruce. But yes, he absolutely should. It'd help a lot, I think.

Oh yeah, I've always said the same thing for Blaze too.  He hasn't done it yet so don't see it happening.  Just seems like a simple fix.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 05, 2021, 07:59:47 AM
I recall at the LA show before they played The Clansman where Bruce decided to bring Hollywood into it by mentioning the movie, Braveheart.  He remarked on why they decided to bring an Australian actor to play the role of a Scotsman and thought that was just Hollywood being weird or something like that.

He seems to always bring up Braveheart when playing the Clansman.

I haven't bought the live album, but streamed it enough to say I actually really enjoy it.  It sounds live and I like that, mistakes and all.  It's not perfect and that's totally cool with me as long as it feels legit, which it totally does.  It's pretty damn enjoyable but just makes me mad it's not in video form.  Would have been awesome to see the a full video, well produced and all in Mexico for Maiden.

This crosses my mind every time I think of this set.  I think I've checked about four times to see if something has changed about the release.  I want to SEE that show again.   That show in Hartford just keeps rising as time goes on; I'd list it as one of the top five or so concerts I've ever seen at this point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 05, 2021, 08:06:31 AM
I recall at the LA show before they played The Clansman where Bruce decided to bring Hollywood into it by mentioning the movie, Braveheart.  He remarked on why they decided to bring an Australian actor to play the role of a Scotsman and thought that was just Hollywood being weird or something like that.

He seems to always bring up Braveheart when playing the Clansman.

I haven't bought the live album, but streamed it enough to say I actually really enjoy it.  It sounds live and I like that, mistakes and all.  It's not perfect and that's totally cool with me as long as it feels legit, which it totally does.  It's pretty damn enjoyable but just makes me mad it's not in video form.  Would have been awesome to see the a full video, well produced and all in Mexico for Maiden.

This crosses my mind every time I think of this set.  I think I've checked about four times to see if something has changed about the release.  I want to SEE that show again.   That show in Hartford just keeps rising as time goes on; I'd list it as one of the top five or so concerts I've ever seen at this point.

I found a full recording of our show in Albuquerque. Bruce sounds pretty good here. Not as bad as the recording.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2021, 08:08:26 AM
I loved this backdrop and theme.


August 1, 2019
Xfinity Center
Mansfield, MA

(https://i.imgur.com/QTO2ERH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Goi7cM9.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2021, 08:11:13 AM

This crosses my mind every time I think of this set.  I think I've checked about four times to see if something has changed about the release.  I want to SEE that show again.   That show in Hartford just keeps rising as time goes on; I'd list it as one of the top five or so concerts I've ever seen at this point.

Here you go...Hartford!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KdN6_4a8IY&t=525s



Rock In Rio 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kglmRsumUao
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2021, 08:30:58 AM
Yeah, that's fair Cram. At least with Bruce, it is what it is, and that's totally cool. But this is easily his worse performance on any of their live albums.

Anyway, I was just giving a counterpoint to Stadler. I don't want to come off as negative.

What I should add though, is in person I've never walked away from a DT or IM show thinking the vocals were poor.  Usually the other way around.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2021, 08:32:23 AM
Yeah, that's fair Cram. At least with Bruce, it is what it is, and that's totally cool. But this is easily his worse performance on any of their live albums.

Anyway, I was just giving a counterpoint to Stadler. I don't want to come off as negative.

What I should add though, is in person I've never walked away from a DT or IM show thinking the vocals were poor.  Usually the other way around.


Agreed 100%!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 05, 2021, 08:57:13 AM
+1 on that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 05, 2021, 09:13:32 AM

This crosses my mind every time I think of this set.  I think I've checked about four times to see if something has changed about the release.  I want to SEE that show again.   That show in Hartford just keeps rising as time goes on; I'd list it as one of the top five or so concerts I've ever seen at this point.

Here you go...Hartford!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KdN6_4a8IY&t=525s



Rock In Rio 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kglmRsumUao

Dude wasn't far from me, apparently...

(https://i.imgur.com/f4Jwmox.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
While we are at it... more from Hartford...

(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67550268_10119982375905394_8441898283466489856_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=CIMlVZlWdyEAX8Qq-KB&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=548462bf53dee51dd2fba2a52b17e446&oe=6019C7A1)

I LOVED when Bruce hit the TNT to end the set
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2021, 09:28:08 AM
Nice, only proving that visually, this was probably their best show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2021, 10:07:24 AM
Nice, only proving that visually, this was probably their best show.

I don't think there's any question about that, IMO.  I mean, I haven't seen any of their pre 2005 shows in person, but they really upped their game with the visuals from that the legacy of the beast tour to a new level. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 05, 2021, 10:25:19 AM
Nice, only proving that visually, this was probably their best show.

I don't think there's any question about that, IMO.  I mean, I haven't seen any of their pre 2005 shows in person, but they really upped their game with the visuals from that the legacy of the beast tour to a new level.

There was an epicness, a more cinematic quality to this last show.  They really did take it to a new level in terms of how the set and show interacted with the concert itself.  It's hard to describe, but it was more akin to the magic show in that way.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2021, 10:33:24 AM
Well we all know IM did do the real magic show  :lol and LotB was a much better display, but in seriousness, you are right.  Even the smaller things like the noose hanging down and Bruce singing and swaying it during FotD.  Small, subtle, but really effective for getting the visuals in place for taking the performance to the next level.  I'd probably say it's more "theater" than "magic" but I'm not sure it matters, the point is the same.  The music itself is the magic, I think.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2021, 10:34:32 AM
Nice, only proving that visually, this was probably their best show.

I don't think there's any question about that, IMO.  I mean, I haven't seen any of their pre 2005 shows in person, but they really upped their game with the visuals from that the legacy of the beast tour to a new level.


I've missed 5 tours since seeing them on the Piece Of Mind tour.

The X Factor....My boss would not let me take the nights off from work. I was fucking ripped.
Give Me 'Ed-I literally was not aware of the show when it happened. Just had my second son and was not paying attention
The Early Days-I wasn't buying a ticket to Ozzfest to see them open for Ozzy.
Dance Of Death-They didn't tour the album here (Yes I know they played in NYC)
AMOLAD-We were in Disney



And Legacy Of The Beast was easily their best production.


Looking back on it, the Poweslave tour stage was outstanding too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 05, 2021, 11:21:15 AM
Well we all know IM did do the real magic show  :lol and LotB was a much better display, but in seriousness, you are right.  Even the smaller things like the noose hanging down and Bruce singing and swaying it during FotD.  Small, subtle, but really effective for getting the visuals in place for taking the performance to the next level.  I'd probably say it's more "theater" than "magic" but I'm not sure it matters, the point is the same.  The music itself is the magic, I think.

No, no we're saying the exact same thing, you're just being more clear about it.  I was referring to the Raising Hell show, in that it was more theater than "metal concert".  This felt like a nod toward that - without the side stages.  Maybe I'm reading more into it than was intended (I don't think so, though) but I thought Bruce did more "acting" and "miming" in this show than ever before.  There was that bit with the heart on the Book Of Souls tour, but this had the sword fight, the flamethrowers, the noose, the cross, the TNT... he was a regular Wile E. Fucking Coyote on this tour.   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 05, 2021, 11:27:54 AM
Well we all know IM did do the real magic show  :lol and LotB was a much better display, but in seriousness, you are right.  Even the smaller things like the noose hanging down and Bruce singing and swaying it during FotD.  Small, subtle, but really effective for getting the visuals in place for taking the performance to the next level.  I'd probably say it's more "theater" than "magic" but I'm not sure it matters, the point is the same.  The music itself is the magic, I think.

No, no we're saying the exact same thing, you're just being more clear about it.  I was referring to the Raising Hell show, in that it was more theater than "metal concert".  This felt like a nod toward that - without the side stages.  Maybe I'm reading more into it than was intended (I don't think so, though) but I thought Bruce did more "acting" and "miming" in this show than ever before.  There was that bit with the heart on the Book Of Souls tour, but this had the sword fight, the flamethrowers, the noose, the cross, the TNT... he was a regular Wile E. Fucking Coyote on this tour.   :)

The firework that launched out the American Flag into Eddie, and the scripted insult at Eddie during The Trooper. Were also neat to relive when I watched the full show from Albuquerque. It actually sounds pretty good for a front row bootleg. I was behind the Mixing boards, so was right in the middle, and that was a perfect spot for this tour. Got to see everything, that I know I wouldn't have been able to see if I got a closer seat, or the pit. I laughed at the security in the vid of my show because they have a bit of a concerned look when the plane is over the audience and above them,  :lol. But even they enjoyed the show.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2021, 11:39:14 AM
Well we all know IM did do the real magic show  :lol and LotB was a much better display, but in seriousness, you are right.  Even the smaller things like the noose hanging down and Bruce singing and swaying it during FotD.  Small, subtle, but really effective for getting the visuals in place for taking the performance to the next level.  I'd probably say it's more "theater" than "magic" but I'm not sure it matters, the point is the same.  The music itself is the magic, I think.

No, no we're saying the exact same thing, you're just being more clear about it.  I was referring to the Raising Hell show, in that it was more theater than "metal concert".  This felt like a nod toward that - without the side stages.  Maybe I'm reading more into it than was intended (I don't think so, though) but I thought Bruce did more "acting" and "miming" in this show than ever before.  There was that bit with the heart on the Book Of Souls tour, but this had the sword fight, the flamethrowers, the noose, the cross, the TNT... he was a regular Wile E. Fucking Coyote on this tour.   :)

The firework that launched out the American Flag into Eddie, and the scripted insult at Eddie during The Trooper. Were also neat to relive when I watched the full show from Albuquerque. It actually sounds pretty good for a front row bootleg. I was behind the Mixing boards, so was right in the middle, and that was a perfect spot for this tour. Got to see everything, that I know I wouldn't have been able to see if I got a closer seat, or the pit. I laughed at the security in the vid of my show because they have a bit of a concerned look when the plane is over the audience and above them,  :lol. But even they enjoyed the show.

When I was upfront for a previous IM show, security guard in front of me was not happy at all when Steve Harris came by and dropped his sweat all over the guard  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 05, 2021, 11:40:15 AM
Looking back on it, the Poweslave tour stage was outstanding too.
As good as LotB was, I can't help think that World Slavery was better, owing to their respective times. To me, Legacy seemed almost trite. It was utilizing the things that are now expected. Back in 1984 it was a lot harder to pull off a massive show like that, and they killed it. For those of us old enough to have been there, did anybody get goosebumps from the inflatable spitfire the way they did when the giant gold sarcophagus opened up and the mummified Eddie came out? The quiet interlude during Rhyme was fantastic in '84 despite being little more than fog and blue lights with some creaking noises. And of course Maiden's longstanding use of rotating backdrops. Truth is, eveything they did on the Legacy tour they were doing back in the early 80s.

With that said, the theming of this one was wonderful. I loved the war set changing into the religious set, and the various props and whatnot went a long way to that end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2021, 11:44:10 AM
Looking back on it, the Poweslave tour stage was outstanding too.
As good as LotB was, I can't help think that World Slavery was better, owing to their respective times.


I can't argue with that at all.

I actually just listened to Live After Death last week, and watched a few songs from the DVD. I'm not in love with all of the camera work, but that is great footage nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2021, 11:49:21 AM
Truth is, eveything they did on the Legacy tour they were doing back in the early 80s.

Flame throwers and planes? I get your point for sure because they mostly did just expand upon a lot of the same ideas, but they weren't doing everything in the 80s that they do now.  Also, historically, they really only had the cool stage props for a couple songs on tour.  They've gone and added them to half the set on this latest tour. And I think the thing that separates their visual show from other bands of today (where flame throwers and huge stage props are more normal) is the integration of it all into the song.  The theater part.  Bands like Kiss can throw out all the explosions and flames, but it's not always connecting with the music in the same way that Bruce shooting burning an angel's wings during The Flight of Icarus does. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 05, 2021, 11:59:39 AM
Truth is, eveything they did on the Legacy tour they were doing back in the early 80s.

Flame throwers and planes? I get your point for sure because they mostly did just expand upon a lot of the same ideas, but they weren't doing everything in the 80s that they do now.  Also, historically, they really only had the cool stage props for a couple songs on tour.  They've gone and added them to half the set on this latest tour. And I think the thing that separates their visual show from other bands of today (where flame throwers and huge stage props are more normal) is the integration of it all into the song.  The theater part.  Bands like Kiss can throw out all the explosions and flames, but it's not always connecting with the music in the same way that Bruce shooting burning an angel's wings during The Flight of Icarus does.
Yep. The opener for Somewhere On Tour was the Theme from Blade Runner, the skyline decked out in lots of neon, and a couple of air cars floating about. The exact same sort of thing as the spitfire, but two of them and they floated around over the audience.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2021, 12:04:49 PM
Truth is, eveything they did on the Legacy tour they were doing back in the early 80s.

Flame throwers and planes? I get your point for sure because they mostly did just expand upon a lot of the same ideas, but they weren't doing everything in the 80s that they do now.  Also, historically, they really only had the cool stage props for a couple songs on tour.  They've gone and added them to half the set on this latest tour. And I think the thing that separates their visual show from other bands of today (where flame throwers and huge stage props are more normal) is the integration of it all into the song.  The theater part.  Bands like Kiss can throw out all the explosions and flames, but it's not always connecting with the music in the same way that Bruce shooting burning an angel's wings during The Flight of Icarus does.
Yep. The opener for Somewhere On Tour was the Theme from Blade Runner, the skyline decked out in lots of neon, and a couple of air cars floating about. The exact same sort of thing as the spitfire, but two of them and they floated around over the audience.

I've never seen this before, maybe because that tour there's no good video.  I've watched some poor boots but don't ever recall seeing that.  I guess I may be wrong then.  But flamethrowers?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 05, 2021, 12:08:12 PM
Getting back to the noose in Hallowed Be Thy Name, I can't believe it took them 40 years to pull it out. It's such an easy and immediate prop that it's hard to imagine nobody in the band thought about it before  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 05, 2021, 12:18:03 PM
Truth is, eveything they did on the Legacy tour they were doing back in the early 80s.

Flame throwers and planes? I get your point for sure because they mostly did just expand upon a lot of the same ideas, but they weren't doing everything in the 80s that they do now.  Also, historically, they really only had the cool stage props for a couple songs on tour.  They've gone and added them to half the set on this latest tour. And I think the thing that separates their visual show from other bands of today (where flame throwers and huge stage props are more normal) is the integration of it all into the song.  The theater part.  Bands like Kiss can throw out all the explosions and flames, but it's not always connecting with the music in the same way that Bruce shooting burning an angel's wings during The Flight of Icarus does.
Yep. The opener for Somewhere On Tour was the Theme from Blade Runner, the skyline decked out in lots of neon, and a couple of air cars floating about. The exact same sort of thing as the spitfire, but two of them and they floated around over the audience.

I've never seen this before, maybe because that tour there's no good video.  I've watched some poor boots but don't ever recall seeing that.  I guess I may be wrong then.  But flamethrowers?  :biggrin:
No good video that I can find. Mostly the cameras at the time weren't able to deal with the lighting. It was very dark with a few very bright lights scattered about. As for flamethrowers, probably not, but Dallas didn't allow pyro at indoor venues back then. (Lots of tours played Ft Worth, instead, for that reason). It was a great effect, though.

That was also the last tour they played Dancing on Glass, or Walking on Air, or whatever they were calling it that week.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 05, 2021, 12:28:27 PM
I wish I had an official version of that.  I love Howard Blake, and "Snowman" off of Bent Out Of Shape (Rainbow) is one of my favorite instrumentals of all time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on January 05, 2021, 12:30:02 PM
Getting back to the noose in Hallowed Be Thy Name, I can't believe it took them 40 years to pull it out. It's such an easy and immediate prop that it's hard to imagine nobody in the band thought about it before  :D

They had a noose on stage for the Raising Hell show - it just wasn't a constant feature of their standard show.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAws9K6B1eU

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 05, 2021, 08:49:23 PM

This crosses my mind every time I think of this set.  I think I've checked about four times to see if something has changed about the release.  I want to SEE that show again.   That show in Hartford just keeps rising as time goes on; I'd list it as one of the top five or so concerts I've ever seen at this point.

Here you go...Hartford!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KdN6_4a8IY&t=525s


HOLY CRAP.  HOLY CRAP.

I just projected this up on my big screen, and WOW.   I was right to the left of this guy (I'm 90% sure I saw myself to the left, behind the guy with the red hat, when he panned over to Dave during Where Eagles Dare) and it's like being there all over again.  Sounds not fantastic, but the band sounds great, and to see the visuals again is a treat...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2021, 08:51:48 PM
I actually watched a lot of this show last week. The sound is great!


Steve has slowed down a bit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 06, 2021, 07:11:13 AM
Yeah, that's fair Cram. At least with Bruce, it is what it is, and that's totally cool. But this is easily his worse performance on any of their live albums.

Anyway, I was just giving a counterpoint to Stadler. I don't want to come off as negative.

What I should add though, is in person I've never walked away from a DT or IM show thinking the vocals were poor.  Usually the other way around.
Me neither atleast the times i've seen Maiden and in general not with DT however I have to mention that when I saw DT during The Astonishing tour I was really annoyed with JLB vocals i'm sad to say. He sounded horrible that night, i'm not sure he had a bad day or something. The band was killer though, especially MM. He really put on a show and kinda of saved the night for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 06, 2021, 07:35:10 AM
It's almost universal; I rarely listen to shows I've actually been at, because there's so much I notice in the cold light of hindsight that doesn't hold up and I don't want to lose the memory.   But I watched about 60% of that Hartford show and I was amazed that my perception - that Bruce nailed the SHIT out of that setlist - was pretty spot on.   

The only thing about that vid that wasn't a revelation is that the energy of The Number Of The Beast didn't translate.  In the room, it was ELECTRIC.   The energy was amazing.

Boy, it would be awesome if I could figure out how to download that show onto my Mac in HD for my own personal use, not to be distributed or sold in any way.   ;)   Hint.  Hint.    :) 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2021, 07:51:22 AM
https://www.pcmag.com/news/how-to-download-youtube-videos (https://www.pcmag.com/news/how-to-download-youtube-videos)

It's been awhile since I've done this, so I don't have a specific app or website to recommend, but there's plenty out there.

Also, I watched a bit of the Hartford video and that is a very well done bootleg  :yarr
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 11, 2021, 07:51:50 PM
There's a dude on Dime uploading a shit ton of Maiden DVDs over the past few days. Where the hell was he during the freeloader days??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on January 12, 2021, 03:04:05 PM
Were they opening for someone bigger at that show?  That stage setup looks like equipment for another band behind those cloth walls?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 12, 2021, 03:07:58 PM
Were they opening for someone bigger at that show?  That stage setup looks like equipment for another band behind those cloth walls?

Are you talking about the Hartford show? No, they were the headliner.  That type of wrapping over the back and side of the stage eventually gets removed to reveal the look of the church stage look for the more religious themed songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on January 15, 2021, 07:40:48 AM
I've had several DVDs of Maiden for a while but was missing a few and had an old VHS download of Maiden England, glad to have updated to the DVD which I haven't watched yet. Also got the blu-ray versions of Flight 666 and En Vivo.

Haven't listened to all of Bruce I era live albums, though very close to done. Listening to all MP related projects for now.




I recently watched Death on the Road....man I can't believe how crazy the editing on that is. There is less than a second for each shot. It's truly dizzying. I normally don't mind fast edits but this is atrociously obnoxiously fast.


(https://i.imgur.com/Yz2Ac5a.jpg?2)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 15, 2021, 07:51:42 AM
Just a suggestion, but WATCH THE BONUS FEATURES.  They sort of vary between the legacy releases and the contemporary releases, but in general, it's a treasure trove of information.  I found them exceedingly entertaining. 

Also, at least with respect to Live After Death, the audio on the DVD is not the same as the audio on the CD/LP.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on January 15, 2021, 07:56:34 AM
Oh yeah should have mentioned, it goes without saying I watched the bonus features first. I re-watched the Early Days part II doc on LAD and the chapter on the fight between Nicko and Steve is absolutely hilarious. Mission to Arry is still a hilarious listen.

Only doc/extra I haven't watched yet is on the Maiden England stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 15, 2021, 08:09:30 AM
That documentary is a bit shorter but entertaining nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 17, 2021, 07:03:45 AM
Paul DiAnno needs knee surgery.

https://bravewords.com/news/paul-di-anno-crowdfunding-campaign-launched-to-raise-money-for-knee-surgery

Who's in?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on January 17, 2021, 08:10:17 AM
@faizoff

Where did you get the Flight 666 bluray?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 17, 2021, 08:20:27 AM

I recently watched Death on the Road....man I can't believe how crazy the editing on that is. There is less than a second for each shot. It's truly dizzying. I normally don't mind fast edits but this is atrociously obnoxiously fast.


Doesn't that suck? I've mentioned this many times, but that show is the most glorious footage ever captured of the band. But it's ruined by the edits.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on January 17, 2021, 11:16:41 AM
@faizoff

Where did you get the Flight 666 bluray?

Used on eBay. finally found a decent priced one for I think $18, everyone is out of their mind listing it with a super high price. I guess I got lucky.





I recently watched Death on the Road....man I can't believe how crazy the editing on that is. There is less than a second for each shot. It's truly dizzying. I normally don't mind fast edits but this is atrociously obnoxiously fast.


Doesn't that suck? I've mentioned this many times, but that show is the most glorious footage ever captured of the band. But it's ruined by the edits.


Yeah it does, I recall watching it when it first got released and that was the common criticism, but it's way worse than I remembered. Agreed it's some of the best footage of the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 17, 2021, 11:39:27 AM
Paul DiAnno needs knee surgery.

https://bravewords.com/news/paul-di-anno-crowdfunding-campaign-launched-to-raise-money-for-knee-surgery

Who's in?

Do we get our name on it for donating?   

I joke, but I do feel bad for the guy.   He didn't fail out early enough to know that he wasn't cut out for rock and roll (like some of the other early Maiden guys) but he didn't last long enough to be viable solo guy (like Roth, or Dio after Rainbow, or Fish). 
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 02, 2021, 07:54:42 AM
Killers turns 40 today!!! Here's what I have to say about it...

 https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/iron-maiden-killers-turn-40/?fbclid=IwAR0ioGM_LhcP2Hv9qoWeBGkUIdn5lX3ymVhyve6els0l_21wa6KuKXB2GMY
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 02, 2021, 09:53:28 AM
In other news: I'll interview Blaze Bayley next Monday!!! I'm pretty excited about that one.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 02, 2021, 10:10:23 AM
I love Gandalf Bruce with a beard.  :tup
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Post by: kirksnosehair on February 02, 2021, 11:14:47 AM
Paul DiAnno needs knee surgery.

https://bravewords.com/news/paul-di-anno-crowdfunding-campaign-launched-to-raise-money-for-knee-surgery (https://bravewords.com/news/paul-di-anno-crowdfunding-campaign-launched-to-raise-money-for-knee-surgery)

Who's in?

Do we get our name on it for donating?   

I joke, but I do feel bad for the guy.   He didn't fail out early enough to know that he wasn't cut out for rock and roll (like some of the other early Maiden guys) but he didn't last long enough to be viable solo guy (like Roth, or Dio after Rainbow, or Fish).


Cocaine is a hell of a drug.  It's a chemical eraser.  It erases bank accounts, homes, cars, relationships, jobs, bands, etc.  After a while it will even erase your life if you can't quit.
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Post by: DoctorAction on February 02, 2021, 04:20:14 PM
Wow. 40 years of Killers! Still my desert island Maiden album.
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Post by: Mladen on February 03, 2021, 09:46:25 AM
In other news: I'll interview Blaze Bayley next Monday!!! I'm pretty excited about that one.
This is amazing, man! Interviews with Blaze are always entertaining and pleasant, he comes off as an engaging, kind person in his interviews. I'm looking forward to your impressions, as well as to the interview itself.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 03, 2021, 12:09:45 PM
In other news: I'll interview Blaze Bayley next Monday!!! I'm pretty excited about that one.
This is amazing, man! Interviews with Blaze are always entertaining and pleasant, he comes off as an engaging, kind person in his interviews. I'm looking forward to your impressions, as well as to the interview itself.

 Yeah, from what I've seen, he's incredibly engaged and funny in interviews. I'm looking forward to that one. I listened to the new album today on my run, and it's a very uplifting record!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 03, 2021, 12:15:08 PM
That's really cool Rodrigo, should be a fun and interesting interview.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 03, 2021, 12:16:28 PM
Since Killers just turned 40, you can ask his opinion on the first two Maiden albums and if he wished he'd get to sing more Paul Di'Anno songs than the ones he did (actually I think that bringing back some more Paul songs to the set during his tenure would have been a smart move)?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 03, 2021, 12:20:06 PM
Since Killers just turned 40, you can ask his opinion on the first two Maiden albums and if he wished he'd get to sing more Paul Di'Anno songs than the ones he did (actually I think that bringing back some more Paul songs to the set during his tenure would have been a smart move)?

 That's a GREAT angle, and I'll ask him about that!

 They did bring out Murders in the Rue Morgue on selected dates of the Virtual XI Tour, but the versions I saw weren't particularly good.
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Post by: El Barto on February 03, 2021, 12:33:50 PM
In other news: I'll interview Blaze Bayley next Monday!!! I'm pretty excited about that one.
This is amazing, man! Interviews with Blaze are always entertaining and pleasant, he comes off as an engaging, kind person in his interviews. I'm looking forward to your impressions, as well as to the interview itself.

 Yeah, from what I've seen, he's incredibly engaged and funny in interviews. I'm looking forward to that one. I listened to the new album today on my run, and it's a very uplifting record!
Blaze is good people. I really like the guy. We saw him play a shit-hole club on the other side of Fort Worth for all of 15 people (tell him to get a new booking agent for Texas!), and they played like it was fucking Donnington. I gather that from his perspective we were true fans and deserved a good show in a far from ideal situation. I really appreciated that. He's got an excellent band, to boot. Chris Appleton is the real deal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 03, 2021, 01:16:57 PM
I think he has grown tremendously as a singer AFTER he left Maiden. I've seen versions of him doing Wasted Years, Virus, Futureal and other songs that were way better than anything he sang with Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 03, 2021, 01:22:27 PM
Since Killers just turned 40, you can ask his opinion on the first two Maiden albums and if he wished he'd get to sing more Paul Di'Anno songs than the ones he did (actually I think that bringing back some more Paul songs to the set during his tenure would have been a smart move)?

Great question!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 03, 2021, 02:31:01 PM
In other news: I'll interview Blaze Bayley next Monday!!! I'm pretty excited about that one.
This is amazing, man! Interviews with Blaze are always entertaining and pleasant, he comes off as an engaging, kind person in his interviews. I'm looking forward to your impressions, as well as to the interview itself.

 Yeah, from what I've seen, he's incredibly engaged and funny in interviews. I'm looking forward to that one. I listened to the new album today on my run, and it's a very uplifting record!
Oh, how I envy you.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 03, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
In other news: I'll interview Blaze Bayley next Monday!!! I'm pretty excited about that one.
This is amazing, man! Interviews with Blaze are always entertaining and pleasant, he comes off as an engaging, kind person in his interviews. I'm looking forward to your impressions, as well as to the interview itself.

 Yeah, from what I've seen, he's incredibly engaged and funny in interviews. I'm looking forward to that one. I listened to the new album today on my run, and it's a very uplifting record!
Oh, how I envy you.  :biggrin:

If you enjoy his solo career, you'll be happy with this one. I found some of the song titles a little bit too tongue in cheek for me, but the overall result is cool. And I listened to Silicon Messiah again yesterday, after many years - yep, still an amazing album, very modern sounding!
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Post by: nobloodyname on February 04, 2021, 06:25:19 AM
Silicon Messiah and The Tenth Dimension are two of the very best metal albums money can buy.

I don't think there's anyone on the planet with more heart than Blaze.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 08, 2021, 09:53:21 PM
 Blaze was awesome!!! We spoke for more than an hour today!

 (https://i.postimg.cc/52nTVGLV/Blaze.png)
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Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2021, 10:05:20 PM
That's awesome mate.  :metal
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Post by: TAC on February 09, 2021, 04:47:04 AM
Nice! Can't wait for the interview.
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Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2021, 09:23:55 AM
I'm looking forward to that as well.  He wasn't necessarily my cup of tea in Maiden, but he's such a likeable guy, I'm always rooting for him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2021, 09:28:09 AM
He definitely looks a big goofy  :lol
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Post by: TAC on February 09, 2021, 09:29:56 AM
It's as if Kingshmegland shaved. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 09, 2021, 09:47:05 AM
He definitely looks a big goofy  :lol

 We both look as far from metal as can be, but let me assure you, this interview is DRIPPING with metal!!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2021, 09:54:20 AM
He definitely looks a big goofy  :lol

 We both look as far from metal as can be, but let me assure you, this interview is DRIPPING with metal!!!!!

I had no doubt about that, I always thought he was a bit goofy looking but that picture with his background lights and big bald head just put it to another level  :lol like I can't stop thinking of Sloth from the Goonies.
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Post by: Mladen on February 09, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
You can picture him in a leather jacket on a motorcycle with AC/DC being cranked way up, though. He's still pretty metal.  :metal
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Post by: 425 on February 09, 2021, 12:51:49 PM
I got into Silicon Messiah and Tenth Dimension years ago, but I didn't really connect with Blood & Belief, and kind of left off there. Any particular place I should pick up in Blaze's solo discography, or should I just keep going from where I was?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 09, 2021, 01:01:15 PM
I got into Silicon Messiah and Tenth Dimension years ago, but I didn't really connect with Blood & Belief, and kind of left off there. Any particular place I should pick up in Blaze's solo discography, or should I just keep going from where I was?

 The trilogy he released right before this new album is VERY good!!! He tells a story throughout the three albums, and he's writing a book about it. It's METAL, but it has orchestrations, several characters, some acoustic interludes...I think it's one of his best releases, although Silicon Messiah and Tenth Dimension are amazing as well.
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Post by: TAC on February 09, 2021, 01:03:01 PM
Promise And Terror is my go to Blaze album.
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Post by: Mladen on February 09, 2021, 01:45:27 PM
Promise And Terror is my go to Blaze album.
Same here. And since its predecessor is also pretty awesome, I'd advise you to continue chronologicaly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 09, 2021, 01:48:04 PM
In preparation for the interview I did a bit of a deep dive into his discography. Honestly, there are a few low points, but when he gets it right, his albums are MUCH more interesting than the latest Maiden releases.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2021, 05:55:07 PM
Iron Maiden has been nominated for the RnR HOF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 10, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
Iron Maiden has been nominated for the RnR HOF.

I've got this feeling that if this is the time Iron Maiden gets in, the HOF are going to omit some members in the induction like Blaze or Clive Burr or maybe even Janick.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Iron Maiden has been nominated for the RnR HOF.

I've got this feeling that if this is the time Iron Maiden gets in, the HOF are going to omit some members in the induction like Blaze or Clive Burr or maybe even Janick.

What about Paul Dianno?

I don't see Steve accepting it without Janick and Clive.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2021, 06:45:51 PM
I kind of hope they get voted in and Bruce says something about how stupid the RnR HOF is and that they are honored by the fans but do not accept due to the hall being a joke for representing Rock n Roll.  If it were named the music HOF, fine no argument, but this HOF has lost credibility a long time ago for me and Bruce already expressed his opinion.
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Post by: faizoff on February 10, 2021, 07:19:04 PM
 I would think Steve Harris gets to decide who to include in. I remember Blondie having a ruckus when excluding certain members. I'm positive it's up to the band to include whoever they want.
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Post by: TAC on February 10, 2021, 07:21:09 PM
I remember Blondie having a ruckus when excluding certain members. I'm positive it's up to the band to include whoever they want.

Oh, is that right? I love Blondie, and I thought they had a stable lineup for their first 6 albums.
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Post by: faizoff on February 10, 2021, 07:38:28 PM
I don't remember the exact story, I think Debbie Harry just didn't let some of the other band or ex-band members come on stage and perform with her or something. I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, just remember reading that it caused a scene.
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Post by: Cool Chris on February 10, 2021, 07:53:11 PM
I kind of hope they get voted in and Bruce says something about how stupid the RnR HOF is and that they are honored by the fans but do not accept due to the hall being a joke for representing Rock n Roll. 

Why be a dick about it though? Either say "We cannot accept this due to reasons x, y, and z" or "Thank you for this recognition." No need to trash the place. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2021, 07:54:47 PM
If I were Steve, I wouldn't trust Bruce to make the speech.
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Post by: faizoff on February 10, 2021, 08:11:56 PM
Axl didn't attend the induction, I'm sure Bruce could do the same should he choose to.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 10, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
No induction to the RRHOF was more depressing than Van Halen's. Only Sammy and Michael Anthony showed up, and they performed horrible versions of VH songs with Velvet Revolver and some other aberration.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 11, 2021, 01:04:30 AM
If I were Steve, I wouldn't trust Bruce to make the speech.

Do we know if in the HOF committee there's someone prone to launch eggs?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 11, 2021, 01:57:17 AM
If Maiden makes it into the hall of fame, I would sort of get a kick out of seeing all of the current and former band members (from 1980 onwards, at least) at the ceremony. But then again, given the pandemic, there might be no ceremony. And there might be no chance the guys want to show up at the event. And there might be no chance Maiden makes it in. So yeah, I'm indifferent.
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Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2021, 06:57:21 AM
At first I though "wow, what an easy schedule, they're a shoo-in", but further analysis says no.

Givens:
- Tina Turner
- Rage Against The Machine
- Foo Fighters

So that leaves two, maybe three spots.   You've got Jay-Z, Dionne Warwick, Todd Rundgren, and Carole King.   I can't see the "Bring Your Daughter... To The Slaughter" band getting in over more identity politics-friendly choices, at least not in this environment. 

Bummer, since I think they are probably one of the two or three biggest "snubs" at this point (why Phil Collins and Robert Fripp aren't in the HoF baffles, continually).

If by some miraculous alignment of the planets they do get in, I say it's Harris, Dickinson, Murray, Smith, McBrain, Di'Anno, Burr, Gers.   Blaze and Dennis Stratton get left on the cutting room floor.
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Post by: faizoff on February 11, 2021, 07:44:28 AM
Didn't they leave Blaze on good terms? I imagine he'd be in seeing as he's on two studio albums.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 11, 2021, 07:53:14 AM
Didn't they leave Blaze on good terms? I imagine he'd be in seeing as he's on two studio albums.

 I think Dennis and Blaze should be there. Dennis was on the debut, and Blaze did TWO albums. nd yes, Blaze is always vocal about how "Maiden took very good care of me".
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Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2021, 08:34:46 AM
Didn't they leave Blaze on good terms? I imagine he'd be in seeing as he's on two studio albums.

Ron Dio was on four Sabbath albums, resurrected their career, and....  not in.

Eric Carr was on seven Kiss albums, widely credited with helping to resurrect their career, and... not in.

AC/DC:  Mark Evans was on four albums, Simon Wright two and Chris Slade one, and...  not in.

The only bands that get full suite of membership are the ones in the "club" (Reeves Gabrels got in with The Cure, and to my knowledge, he's the touring guitarist, having appeared on only one single with the band).  Even Tom Constantin and Robert Hunter got in with the Dead, and with the E Street Band - who got in on their own accord, believe it or not - I'm pretty sure the first drummer's mom's cleaning lady got in too.

The jury is out with regards to who makes the call; Paul Stanley has pointed the finger at the Hall itself, but it seems like there IS some negotiation involved (AC/DC, Red Hot Chili Peppers).
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Post by: pg1067 on February 11, 2021, 09:31:24 AM
Unless things have changed, the RRHOF decides which band members are included, NOT the band (although the band does get input).  For example, when KISS went in, only the original members were included, much to the chagrin of Stanley and Simmons.  There are many other examples of this.

The dust up with Blondie was not a matter of who got inducted.  All of the members of the line up that did the songs everyone knows from the late 70s and early 80s were included.  The dust up came when a couple of the original (?) members wanted to play with the then-current incarnation of the band and Debbie Harry refused to allow it (presumably with the backing of the RRHOF).  If I remember correctly, it was quite an uncomfortable scene.

My guess if that, if Maiden makes it in, it will be Murray, Harris, Dickinson, Smith, McBrain and MAYBE Gers, Burr and DiAnno.  Stratton and Bayley will not be part of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 11, 2021, 09:34:55 AM
If Di'Anno gets it, Stratton should as well. They both were on the debut.

Clive was on The Number of the Beast which is a point in his favor.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 11, 2021, 09:38:39 AM
 If Maiden plays it safe as usual, it will be only the six guys in the current lineup. Which is a shame, because the coolest thing about the RRHOF is previous members of bands getting together again. Even if they don't play, it's cool to see. When Deep Purple was inducted there were pictures of Glenn Hughes, Coverdale and Gillan together, possibly for the first time ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2021, 09:44:42 AM
If Maiden plays it safe as usual, it will be only the six guys in the current lineup. Which is a shame, because the coolest thing about the RRHOF is previous members of bands getting together again. Even if they don't play, it's cool to see. When Deep Purple was inducted there were pictures of Glenn Hughes, Coverdale and Gillan together, possibly for the first time ever.

But to PG's point, there was guff from Big Ian (Gillan; Paice is "Little Ian") about who performed.  He wanted only the current incarnation to play (like Debbie).  It was also a HUGE miss that they not induct Steve Morse with them.  That's an epic fail (though Rod Evans gets in). That precedent bodes well for Di'Anno, but not so well for Janick. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 11, 2021, 10:39:40 AM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 11, 2021, 10:45:18 AM
I see no reason why Janick wouldn't be included. He is on how many albums, and is currently touring with the band. And hasn't left since it's reunion. He has also written songs.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 11, 2021, 11:03:33 AM
People continually miss the point about the RRHoF. It doesn't exit to do the sensible or honorable thing. It doesn't exist to commemorate RnR legends. It exists to reward a couple of personal favorites, and mostly to generate discussion and debate. You do that by doing the non-sensible thing. Including RJD with Sabbath was the obvious thing. Leaving him out caused people to bitch about how idiotic the hall is, and that's what they want. They're fully aware that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

In this case, firstly, they won't be getting in this year. Second, there's no chance in hell of Dianno and Stratton getting in. There's a small chance of Clive and Janick getting in, but omitting them is probably the controversial decision they're itching to make. There's a pretty good chance that Arry tells them to piss off when they exclude them. There's an excellent chance that Bruce lambasts the whole thing when given a mic. I've been there to see him badmouth his hosts before and I know how willing he is to speak his mind.

And most importantly, who gives a fuck? I made the decision long ago to not play their game. It's a joke and it capitalizes on being a joke. No reason to give it the slightest bit of consideration, which is what it craves.
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Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2021, 11:27:47 AM
I agree with all that, except Di'Anno. They have a thing for vocalists.  If Rod Evans from Deep Purple gets in, so does Paul Di'Anno.  That was my "logic" (though I agree with you on the "sensible thing" idea.)

And you're right; there's no way they get in this year.  My pick: Tina, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Rage Against The Machine, Carole King and Todd Rundgren.

(I also predict that Maiden and Priest will now swap every other year as "token metal acts" on the nomination list.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 11, 2021, 11:31:55 AM
I agree with all that, except Di'Anno. They have a thing for vocalists.  If Rod Evans from Deep Purple gets in, so does Paul Di'Anno.  That was my "logic" (though I agree with you on the "sensible thing" idea.)

And you're right; there's no way they get in this year.  My pick: Tina, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Rage Against The Machine, Carole King and Todd Rundgren.

(I also predict that Maiden and Priest will now swap every other year as "token metal acts" on the nomination list.)

Gary didn't get in with Van Halen...
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Post by: Kwyjibo on February 11, 2021, 12:15:28 PM
And most importantly, who gives a fuck?

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 11, 2021, 12:37:54 PM
I agree with all that, except Di'Anno. They have a thing for vocalists.  If Rod Evans from Deep Purple gets in, so does Paul Di'Anno.  That was my "logic" (though I agree with you on the "sensible thing" idea.)

And you're right; there's no way they get in this year.  My pick: Tina, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Rage Against The Machine, Carole King and Todd Rundgren.

(I also predict that Maiden and Priest will now swap every other year as "token metal acts" on the nomination list.)

Gary didn't get in with Van Halen...

I think Stadler was referring to the 1st vocalists in a band, not the 3rd.  So in this case, Gary did not get in with Van Halen and most likely, Blaze probably wouldn't get in with Iron Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 11, 2021, 01:01:15 PM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.

Sure...if Maiden got to make the call, which they don't.  The only thing they can do if they don't like who is included/excluded is not show up for the ceremony.


I see no reason why Janick wouldn't be included. He is on how many albums, and is currently touring with the band. And hasn't left since it's reunion. He has also written songs.

You mean like there was no reason not to induct Tony Banks or Geoff Downes as part of Yes?  Just like there was no reason not to induct Steve Morse as part of Deep Purple.  Just like there was no reason not to induct Dio as part of Black Sabbath.  Etc., etc.

As far as Gers goes, the reason is pretty obvious:  he didn't play on any of the band's early or seminal albums.


Again, opining about what's likely based on what the band would or wouldn't do or what fans of the band would do is pointless.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 11, 2021, 03:38:28 PM
What Jan has going for him is longevity and the status of Fear of the Dark (the song) as kind of a latter-day classic. I wouldn't put it past the RRHOF at all to exclude him, but at least he has that.

In my opinion, in Maiden's case, it should be everyone who appeared on a studio album, which would be the current lineup plus Stratton, Burr, Di'Anno and Blaze. But I think out of the former members, it's only Clive who has a substantial shot, due to appearing on one of their two most iconic albums.

And though the thread has moved past this onto HOF talk: Thank you to those who shared their thoughts on Blaze's albums. I think I might look into that recent trilogy since they're all still readily available, but I'll also keep an eye out for Promise and Terror and The Man Who Would Not Die.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 11, 2021, 04:15:46 PM
What Jan has going for him is longevity and the status of Fear of the Dark (the song) as kind of a latter-day classic. I wouldn't put it past the RRHOF at all to exclude him, but at least he has that.

I don't know that a nearly 30 year old song can be called a "latter-day classic," but I think every word of this is logical.  Unfortunately...logic went out the window pretty quickly with the RRHOF.


In my opinion, in Maiden's case, it should be everyone who appeared on a studio album, which would be the current lineup plus Stratton, Burr, Di'Anno and Blaze. But I think out of the former members, it's only Clive who has a substantial shot, due to appearing on one of their two most iconic albums.

I'd say everyone except Stratton and Bayley.  Stratton just wasn't a significant enough player in the band's history for a sufficient amount of time, and Bayley was really nothing but a replacement player until Dickinson returned.  Even the band has eschewed playing any songs from the two Bayley albums for most of the last 20 years.

Ultimately, I doubt we'll ever find out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 11, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
With FOTD, I meant "latter-day" in the sense that it came after the run of albums that is widely acknowledged as their classic period.

I think Blaze has a much stronger case than Stratton, who wasn't even in the band for a year, and likely had very little creative input during that time, since most of the debut had already been written by the time he joined. Blaze was around for five years and officially co-wrote nine songs. I don't think either has a chance, but if I had to evaluate the case for each, that's what I'd say.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2021, 06:48:06 AM
With FOTD, I meant "latter-day" in the sense that it came after the run of albums that is widely acknowledged as their classic period.

I think Blaze has a much stronger case than Stratton, who wasn't even in the band for a year, and likely had very little creative input during that time, since most of the debut had already been written by the time he joined. Blaze was around for five years and officially co-wrote nine songs. I don't think either has a chance, but if I had to evaluate the case for each, that's what I'd say.

It's not that I disagree with you, but evidence suggests that your "logic" isn't of interest to the Hall.  I think El Barto said it best, but if Ronnie Dio, arguably one of the three greatest singers in heavy metal history, doesn't get in with Sabbath - wrote and toured two complete albums, resurrecting the band in a very real way - and Eric Carr doesn't get in with Kiss - by all accounts he saved the band when Peter Criss failed, AND died tragically before his time - then if I'm Blaze, I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2021, 08:53:41 AM
Gers has been in the band for over 30 years, it would make 0 sense not to include him. Is there any example of a band member for that many years and also currently in the band not being included?

I would expect the current line up included, no one else if they get the nod.

Honestly, I hope the fans vote them in just for Bruce to give an epic speech telling the RnR HOF to fuck off and they dont need nor want anything to do with that abomination.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 12, 2021, 08:59:05 AM
Gers has been in the band for over 30 years, it would make 0 sense not to include him. Is there any example of a band member for that many years and also currently in the band not being included?

Steve Morse I believe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on February 12, 2021, 09:02:04 AM
New Blaze song dropped quietly on spotify. Sounds like something off his last 3. Not a knock on it by any means as I thought the Infinite Entanglement trilogy was a lot of fun. His solo work is usually pretty solid. Only album of his that I don't particularly care for is The King of Metal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 12, 2021, 09:10:28 AM
It's not that I disagree with you, but evidence suggests that your "logic" isn't of interest to the Hall.  I think El Barto said it best, but if Ronnie Dio, arguably one of the three greatest singers in heavy metal history, doesn't get in with Sabbath - wrote and toured two complete albums, resurrecting the band in a very real way - and Eric Carr doesn't get in with Kiss - by all accounts he saved the band when Peter Criss failed, AND died tragically before his time - then if I'm Blaze, I'm not holding my breath.

Oh, I totally agree, and I tried to convey in my post that I was just talking about what it should be, not what I would expect it to be. In terms of what I expect, I would just be crossing my fingers that they don't snub Janick.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on February 12, 2021, 09:45:05 AM
Gers has been in the band for over 30 years, it would make 0 sense not to include him. Is there any example of a band member for that many years and also currently in the band not being included?
Billy Sherwood of Yes. He started working with the band in 1989, and was an official member for two albums/tours in the late '90s. He was also part of Yes when they were inducted to the Hall of Fame in 2017.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 12, 2021, 10:02:42 AM
I think Blaze has a much stronger case than Stratton, who wasn't even in the band for a year, and likely had very little creative input during that time, since most of the debut had already been written by the time he joined. Blaze was around for five years and officially co-wrote nine songs. I don't think either has a chance, but if I had to evaluate the case for each, that's what I'd say.

Ultimately, this is like saying a 300:1 horse is better than a 325:1 horse.  Is it true?  Maybe, but neither horse is going to win.


Gers has been in the band for over 30 years, it would make 0 sense not to include him. Is there any example of a band member for that many years and also currently in the band not being included?

Yeah...the one I cited earlier:  Steve Morse in Deep Purple.  It wasn't quite 30 years, but he was a then (and still) current member of the band and had been around for 22 years.  And, while you might not think it's sufficient not to include him, it is logical to say that Gers didn't play on Maiden's most popular/influential albums.  IF (and it's a big "if") Maiden gets in, it's not going to be because of Dance of Death or The Talisman.  IF they get it, it will be because of The Number of the Beast, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner and the massive influence of those 1980s albums (none of which Gers played on).

Do I think he SHOULD get in (if Maiden gets in)?  Yes, absolutely and for all of the reasons you mentioned.  But what I think "should" happen and what is likely to happen are very different things, and there are logical reasons not to include him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2021, 10:13:40 AM
You all may be right, I'm not arguing.  But I'd like to think that the reunion era is a big reason why they are finally getting nominated too.   They are still huge, making new music that sells really well, and are one of the most popular metal bands still today consistently selling shit tons of tickets to live shows.  Gers has been on half their albums but been in the band longer than half the bands lifetime.  He also writes music for the band as well.  I mean, if the hall wants controversy, they could omit him, but it really makes little sense IMO.  I guess if they did omit him, it would be even more fuel for Bruce to light on fire when he gets to publicly accept or not accept the invite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on February 12, 2021, 10:18:51 AM
It's despicable that they're not already in. I already think the Rock Hall of Fame is stupid and worthless, but if they don't get in over some of the others it will reach an even lower level worthlessness.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 12, 2021, 11:41:20 AM
Yeah...the one I cited earlier:  Steve Morse in Deep Purple.  It wasn't quite 30 years, but he was a then (and still) current member of the band and had been around for 22 years.  And, while you might not think it's sufficient not to include him, it is logical to say that Gers didn't play on Maiden's most popular/influential albums.  IF (and it's a big "if") Maiden gets in, it's not going to be because of Dance of Death or The Talisman.  IF they get it, it will be because of The Number of the Beast, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner and the massive influence of those 1980s albums (none of which Gers played on).

Do I think he SHOULD get in (if Maiden gets in)?  Yes, absolutely and for all of the reasons you mentioned.  But what I think "should" happen and what is likely to happen are very different things, and there are logical reasons not to include him.

This is why I think if Janick does get in, the decisive factor will be the song Fear of the Dark. Does it rise to the level of Run to the Hills, The Trooper, and Aces High? No, but it's a fairly well-known Maiden song that I'd wager has massively more recognition among the sort of people who decide things at RRHOF than anything else on any of the Janick albums. The Wicker Man is probably the very, very distant second-place.

I suppose one could also mention Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter being their only UK #1 single, but I have a hard time imagining even the people at the RRHOF caring about that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on February 12, 2021, 11:51:10 AM
Interesting to read about how the hall is more in control of the band members who get included. In the example of Nine Inch Nails, it's always been Trent Reznor as the main writer and band member with a somewhat rotating cast of players for the tours and studio recordings. Only recently did Attticus Ross become a full member and even as such the only official members are listed as Trent and Atticus, yet in their induction there are 5 other people. 3 of them in the current live band and 2 who were there just at the beginning. I wonder how they figured that out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 12, 2021, 12:45:02 PM
No offense intended to anyone here discussing this topic but the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.  They've expanded the term "Rock and Roll" to the point where we might as well consider my fucking bellybutton lint to be "Rock and Roll"  FUCK THEM.  It's a tossup for me which I care about more, the RaRHoF or this period > . <  I'll have to get back to you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2021, 12:56:04 PM
Interesting to read about how the hall is more in control of the band members who get included. In the example of Nine Inch Nails, it's always been Trent Reznor as the main writer and band member with a somewhat rotating cast of players for the tours and studio recordings. Only recently did Attticus Ross become a full member and even as such the only official members are listed as Trent and Atticus, yet in their induction there are 5 other people. 3 of them in the current live band and 2 who were there just at the beginning. I wonder how they figured that out.

Coin flip.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 12, 2021, 01:01:02 PM
I'd say the main reason to be interested in the RnRHOF is that it at least potentially exposes artists to a wider audience. Probably not so much when it comes to really big names like Led Zeppelin or Guns N' Roses, but with some of the choices that don't currently have as much mainstream popularity, like Yes.

I certainly don't think anything of the RnRHOF's aesthetic judgments or their selection criteria, which have long been moronic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2021, 01:06:07 PM
I'd say the main reason to be interested in the RnRHOF is that it at least potentially exposes artists to a wider audience. Probably not so much when it comes to really big names like Led Zeppelin or Guns N' Roses, but with some of the choices that don't currently have as much mainstream popularity, like Yes.

I certainly don't think anything of the RnRHOF's aesthetic judgments or their selection criteria, which have long been moronic.

This is all true, but for a contrarian iconoclast like me, the air of superiority makes me want to slash the seat cushions.  That Dave Marsh actually thinks his taste is something special or something to be celebrated burns my ass (this is the guy that has written like 100 books on Bruce Springsteen, and once famously said that Kiss would get in the Hall over his dead body. He also said John Bonham was an "insurmountable flaw" in Zeppelin, and was "clinically incompetent".)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 12, 2021, 01:37:36 PM
I'll be damned. It appears the Hall wants to include the lot of them for rejection. Including Stratton, Dianno, and Burr. Blaze is the only one not included.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 12, 2021, 01:40:49 PM
That's surprising. I suppose the logic, which I very much disagree with, is that Stratton should be in for playing on the debut album, which is more of a classic in comparison to the Blaze albums, even though his overall contribution to the band was very small.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 12, 2021, 01:41:34 PM
Are you reading that off of somewhere?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 12, 2021, 01:43:40 PM
It turns out that none of us were looking too closely at the news articles that came out two days ago. It's listed right in there.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/rock-hall-of-fame-jay-z-foo-fighters-iron-maiden-tina-turner-lead-nominees/ar-BB1dz9D8 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/rock-hall-of-fame-jay-z-foo-fighters-iron-maiden-tina-turner-lead-nominees/ar-BB1dz9D8)

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Per the tradition of the past few years, the Hall of Fame named the individual band members that will enter should their group get inducted. For Iron Maiden, they cited the current lineup of singer Bruce Dickinson, bassist Steve Harris, drummer Nicko McBrain, and guitarists Adrian Smith, Dave Murray, and Janick Gers, along with former singer Paul Di’Anno, former drummer Clive Burr, and former guitarist Dennis Stratton.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on February 12, 2021, 01:45:28 PM
Reading it on Blabbermouth (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-iron-maiden-guitarist-dennis-stratton-reacts-to-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nomination-its-very-exciting/)
 
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According to the Hall Of Fame, the IRON MAIDEN members that would get inducted include the current lineup of singer Bruce Dickinson, bassist Steve Harris, drummer Nicko McBrain, and guitarists Adrian Smith, Dave Murray and Janick Gers, along with Stratton, former singer Paul Di'Anno and former drummer Clive Burr.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2021, 01:50:38 PM
It turns out that none of us were looking too closely at the news articles that came out two days ago. It's listed right in there.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/rock-hall-of-fame-jay-z-foo-fighters-iron-maiden-tina-turner-lead-nominees/ar-BB1dz9D8 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/rock-hall-of-fame-jay-z-foo-fighters-iron-maiden-tina-turner-lead-nominees/ar-BB1dz9D8)

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Per the tradition of the past few years, the Hall of Fame named the individual band members that will enter should their group get inducted. For Iron Maiden, they cited the current lineup of singer Bruce Dickinson, bassist Steve Harris, drummer Nicko McBrain, and guitarists Adrian Smith, Dave Murray, and Janick Gers, along with former singer Paul Di’Anno, former drummer Clive Burr, and former guitarist Dennis Stratton.

Well, I'm taking that as a sign I'm right; Rolling Stone (Jann Wenner's baby) has Jay-Z, Foo Fighters and Tina T. on the main page in pictures.  They're in. Who's with them?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 12, 2021, 02:31:11 PM
Good God. Based on what criteria iz Blaze Bayley the only band member that appeared on an official Iron Maiden album but isn't being inducted?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2021, 02:40:48 PM
Good God. Based on what criteria iz Blaze Bayley the only band member that appeared on an official Iron Maiden album but isn't being inducted?

Probably because he is on what is often considered their two worst albums and the lowest point in the bands career.  I'm a blaze fan and all, so I don't mean it personal against him, but I don't think he has earned the right to be included personally.  Having said that, I'm not entirely sure why Stratton is included. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 12, 2021, 03:18:12 PM
He played on the legendary debult album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 12, 2021, 03:25:59 PM
The more I think about it, I have a feeling that, even if the hall of fame inducts them (which is unlikely), Steve and Bruce might go "No way, fuck off." and not show up.

Have there been any bands that were invited to their induction but declined?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 12, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
I don't think Axl showed up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2021, 04:18:27 PM
I can see why Blaze wasn't included, but being the only member not to be included that played on a studio album is pretty shit.  Yes, it was their lowest point in their career, but he allowed the Maiden name to continue.  They kept going as a band which in turn lead to the reunion era.  Almost like the Blaze era had to happen to get what we have gotten from the band in the last 21 years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2021, 04:59:46 PM
I can see why Blaze wasn't included, but being the only member not to be included that played on a studio album is pretty shit.  Yes, it was their lowest point in their career, but he allowed the Maiden name to continue.  They kept going as a band which in turn lead to the reunion era.  Almost like the Blaze era had to happen to get what we have gotten from the band in the last 21 years.

Blaze is a cool guy, and I feel bad for him, but Stratton is getting a gift.  By his own admission he wasn't a good fit. 

If they do get in - not holding my breath - there WILL be people that show up.  Di'Anno will be there, as will Stratton. Why the fuck not?

SO at that point, if I'm Steve Harris, I have to go.  If Steve goes, so will Nicko and Dave, at least. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2021, 05:12:01 PM
Dave is almost as obliged as Steve is IMO.  Bruce too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 12, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
The more I think about it, I have a feeling that, even if the hall of fame inducts them (which is unlikely), Steve and Bruce might go "No way, fuck off." and not show up.

Have there been any bands that were invited to their induction but declined?

Sex Pistols.  They sent their "regrets" in the form of this letter, which Jann Wenner read aloud on stage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdnQEQhDzUc ):

(https://cdn8.openculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/johnny-rotten-hall-of-fame-e1373474583435.jpg)


If they do get in - not holding my breath - there WILL be people that show up.  Di'Anno will be there, as will Stratton. Why the fuck not?

Well...if the Sex Pistols letter is an indication, there's a price to be paid, and I have my doubts whether they could scrape together the money (Di'Anno's crowd funding effort to raise 20k British pounds to fund a knee surgery has only raised 6,341 pounds so far - https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/kastro-carthorses-2 ).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2021, 06:21:32 PM
He played on the legendary debult album.

But very little consider the debut "legendary" albeit it was their first so I get the importance, but he was not very significant to the influence and almost all of their known music.  So if Blaze is off, which I agree, I think he should, but I'm not upset or holding it against him personally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on February 12, 2021, 06:44:20 PM
Had no idea about PDA medical need and his situation with his knee.
Surely the IM family could reach out and get him sorted out?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 12, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
I'd be okay with Blaze not being included, even though I really, really think he deserves it, if not for the fact that Stratton was being included. Unless I'm very, very wrong, Stratton was in the band for a very short time and did not write much if any music or contribute significantly to the development of the band. They wanted Adrian, he said no, they hired Stratton, he recorded one album with them, then they went back to Adrian and he said yes. Blaze was there for five years and wrote a ton of music.

Nothing against Stratton, I'm indifferent to whether he's inducted as its own issue. But to have him and not Blaze is manifestly unjust.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 12, 2021, 07:59:04 PM
The more I think about it, I have a feeling that, even if the hall of fame inducts them (which is unlikely), Steve and Bruce might go "No way, fuck off." and not show up.

Have there been any bands that were invited to their induction but declined?

I believe Eddie and Alex Van Halen and David Lee Roth was not there when Van Halen got inducted.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 12, 2021, 08:00:59 PM
The more I think about it, I have a feeling that, even if the hall of fame inducts them (which is unlikely), Steve and Bruce might go "No way, fuck off." and not show up.

Have there been any bands that were invited to their induction but declined?

I believe Eddie and Alex Van Halen and David Lee Roth was not there when Van Halen got inducted.

Really? Wow.

So Steve should send Dennis and Blaze to accept the honor. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on February 13, 2021, 03:04:43 AM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.

That guy is "FILLER" in the band!  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on February 13, 2021, 03:16:16 AM
I agree with all that, except Di'Anno. They have a thing for vocalists.  If Rod Evans from Deep Purple gets in, so does Paul Di'Anno.  That was my "logic" (though I agree with you on the "sensible thing" idea.)

And you're right; there's no way they get in this year.


Why do you think so? Masses of fans will vote for them and they will get in.
If Rush got in HOF in 2013 due to their fans why wouldn't Iron Maiden make it in 2021?

And you think RATM will get in before IM, they will get more votes? Come on. Iron Maiden is a bigger band than RATM.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 13, 2021, 04:45:13 AM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.

That guy is "FILLER" in the band!  ;D

Uh, absolutely not. Do you think that he has an uninterrupted 30 years tenure with the band just because he can swing a guitar on stage? Bruce left. Adrian left. Even Dave Murray left, for a short time. Janick never did, he was always there and I assume Steve rewards loyalty. There was no NEED to have three guitars for the reunion, they could have booted him, but they wanted to keep him, and again, it's not just because he prances around on stage.

A band also needs the correct balance between their members. I believe it was Adrian that said "it wouldn't have worked if we were three Ritchie Blackmores", and anyway Adrian would have been the one to go if the three guitars thing didn't work. Getting rid of Janick was never an option, Adrian would have gone if the reunion didn't work.

For all we know - and maybe some super die hard fans might know this - Janick is the cool personality in the band that serves as a bridge between Steve and Bruce (and Rod maybe), the mediator, the one that hold it all together or at the very least, help to not make it fall apart. And he's not along for the ride, he's a songwriter and helped to create many post-reunion great songs.

Criticize his playing style and accurancy all you want, but realize that you don't stay for 30 years straight in the biggest metal band of the world just because you can jump around on stage. If he's still there and never left and never was at risk, there are reasons.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MarkFitDT on February 13, 2021, 06:00:23 AM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.

That guy is "FILLER" in the band!  ;D

Uh, absolutely not. Do you think that he has an uninterrupted 30 years tenure with the band just because he can swing a guitar on stage? Bruce left. Adrian left. Even Dave Murray left, for a short time. Janick never did, he was always there and I assume Steve rewards loyalty. There was no NEED to have three guitars for the reunion, they could have booted him, but they wanted to keep him, and again, it's not just because he prances around on stage.

A band also needs the correct balance between their members. I believe it was Adrian that said "it wouldn't have worked if we were three Ritchie Blackmores", and anyway Adrian would have been the one to go if the three guitars thing didn't work. Getting rid of Janick was never an option, Adrian would have gone if the reunion didn't work.

For all we know - and maybe some super die hard fans might know this - Janick is the cool personality in the band that serves as a bridge between Steve and Bruce (and Rod maybe), the mediator, the one that hold it all together or at the very least, help to not make it fall apart. And he's not along for the ride, he's a songwriter and helped to create many post-reunion great songs.

Criticize his playing style and accurancy all you want, but realize that you don't stay for 30 years straight in the biggest metal band of the world just because you can jump around on stage. If he's still there and never left and never was at risk, there are reasons.

I'm so glad that scenario didnt happen because for me Maiden without Adrian Smith is levels below Maiden with him in it. This isn't an anti-Janick post because they have written some great music since 2000 with him in the band (some of which he was responsible for) but to me when Smith left the band the quality of music took a massive nosedive - after the run of albums from Iron Maiden to 7th Son I can still remember the shock of listening to NPFTD the first time and how poor it was compared to what they had made before. His song-writing and guitar style is an integral part of Maiden for me so im happy things worked out the way they did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on February 13, 2021, 07:06:12 AM

Criticize his playing style and accurancy all you want, but realize that you don't stay for 30 years straight in the biggest metal band of the world just because you can jump around on stage. If he's still there and never left and never was at risk, there are reasons.

I can't say that Janick is a bad guitarist but he is NO Steve Morse. If Steve Morse was the third guitarist in Maiden I wouldn't complain about it at all.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 13, 2021, 07:12:31 AM
I agree with all that, except Di'Anno. They have a thing for vocalists.  If Rod Evans from Deep Purple gets in, so does Paul Di'Anno.  That was my "logic" (though I agree with you on the "sensible thing" idea.)

And you're right; there's no way they get in this year.


Why do you think so? Masses of fans will vote for them and they will get in.
If Rush got in HOF in 2013 due to their fans why wouldn't Iron Maiden make it in 2021?

And you think RATM will get in before IM, they will get more votes? Come on. Iron Maiden is a bigger band than RATM.

The fan vote, cumulative, counts as one vote amongst the rest of the people who get a vote.

Look, I'm the minority on this point, but the RnRHoF is a political tool to be wielded by Jann Wenner and his lackeys (yes, I know he's gone now and the new guy has been more open to "pop success" over industry insider cred, but it's still concerned with identity politics dynamics as much as the music).   EVERY press release regarding the nominees lauded the "diversity" and "adventurousness" of the field.   In the past, the Rolling Stone darlings - read those with the right political bona fides - all got in first or second ballot (Pearl Jam, Radiohead, REM, RHCP, Green Day, Nirvana).   So right there, Rage is in (even though this is I think their third time on the ballot); helps that Tom Morello is popular and well-liked.   There is going to be at least one rap/minority in, that's a given.  Jay-Z.  Tina deserves it on her accomplishments anyway, she's legend (she's already in with Ike), but she's got the political cache as well (abuse survivor).  There is ample opportunity with those three to make beau coup political statements during the induction ceremony.   

That leaves two, three max spots.  One of those is the Foo Fighters; I don't get it, personally, bt they are rock royalty.  Grohl does and says all the right things, paying appropriate homage to those that came before (McCartney, Rush), he was in one of the Halls' favorites (Nirvana), and he's an industry guy.  He's in.   I think Todd Rundgren is in as well; his production is enough to get him there, but he's got the cred to cover multiple bases as well.  That leaves one spot for Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan, The Go-gos, Carole King, and Iron Maiden.   I just don't see a metal band comprised of a bunch of white guys from England who sang "Bring Your Daughter... To The Slaughter" breaking through that.

(And by the way, since I have to:  I don't OBJECT to the Hall putting those other artists in, I just object to the hypocrisy of the Hall; if it's about the music, make it about the music.  Just be honest; if you're going to have a club and make it a club, just admit it.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 13, 2021, 07:17:37 AM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.

That guy is "FILLER" in the band!  ;D

Uh, absolutely not. Do you think that he has an uninterrupted 30 years tenure with the band just because he can swing a guitar on stage? Bruce left. Adrian left. Even Dave Murray left, for a short time. Janick never did, he was always there and I assume Steve rewards loyalty. There was no NEED to have three guitars for the reunion, they could have booted him, but they wanted to keep him, and again, it's not just because he prances around on stage.

A band also needs the correct balance between their members. I believe it was Adrian that said "it wouldn't have worked if we were three Ritchie Blackmores", and anyway Adrian would have been the one to go if the three guitars thing didn't work. Getting rid of Janick was never an option, Adrian would have gone if the reunion didn't work.

For all we know - and maybe some super die hard fans might know this - Janick is the cool personality in the band that serves as a bridge between Steve and Bruce (and Rod maybe), the mediator, the one that hold it all together or at the very least, help to not make it fall apart. And he's not along for the ride, he's a songwriter and helped to create many post-reunion great songs.

Criticize his playing style and accurancy all you want, but realize that you don't stay for 30 years straight in the biggest metal band of the world just because you can jump around on stage. If he's still there and never left and never was at risk, there are reasons.

I've made fun of him before - during the first song or so in Hartford, he spent half the song shaking his guitar chord like a whip rather than playing - but I think this is definitely a case of "he brings stuff to the table that you don't see on stage".   I think he IS a buffer of sorts between Steve and Bruce, though I also think Steve and Bruce get along better now than they ever did.  Youth, mortality and all that.   I'm a Dave guy, first and foremost, then Adrian, then Jannick, but I can't complain; I LIKE what Maiden has become since the reunion, and gun to head, I might even say I prefer the reunion years over the classic years.  I listen to Maiden a lot, relatively, they're one of my favorite bands ever, but I definitely prefer the dynamic of the six of them over the dynamic of the five of them, musically.   And they are one of only a handful of bands that I now go see just because.   I'm on sort of a bucket list tour with concerts (I really don't need to see Aerosmith again, for example) but Maiden I go just because it's goddamn fun.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 13, 2021, 08:49:35 AM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.

That guy is "FILLER" in the band!  ;D

He wrote The Legacy and The Talisman, so, no, absolutely not, the complete opposite of that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on February 13, 2021, 10:32:42 AM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.

That guy is "FILLER" in the band!  ;D

He wrote some of their best post-reunion songs. Definitely not filler.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on February 13, 2021, 12:06:59 PM
The way they make the 3 guitar thing work live is REALLY interesting. The show has to be mapped out to the point where the sound guy knows when to turn Janick up or down. Like when he jumps up on the monitor to take a solo he has to go up in the mix, At other times when Jan's goofing and swinging his guitar around he gets taken out of the mix.  I guess my point is...it's all rehearsed so they can deliver a consistent show every night.

And of course the crowd LOVES Janick's antics. General audiences eat that stuff up.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2021, 01:25:16 PM
There is literally zero chance Maiden would allow Janick to be excluded.

That guy is "FILLER" in the band!  ;D

I hope this is sarcasm.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 14, 2021, 03:14:23 AM
I find Janick to be a particularly annoying stage presence and I don't like his solo style. But he has writing credits on many of my favourite tracks on later albums:

Man On The Edge
Ghost Of The Navigator
Out Of The Silent Planet
Montsegur
Dance Of Death
The Alchemist
The Talisman (best Maiden track since 7th Son?)
The Book Of Souls

Wow. I'm going to make that into a Spotify playlist right now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 14, 2021, 09:15:38 AM
Outside of the big, obvious ones on that list, I think Out of the Silent Planet is a really good song that's unique in the Maiden discography. I've always wondered why people didn't talk about it more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on February 14, 2021, 11:45:37 AM
I find Janick to be a particularly annoying stage presence and I don't like his solo style. But he has writing credits on many of my favourite tracks on later albums:

Man On The Edge
Ghost Of The Navigator
Out Of The Silent Planet
Montsegur
Dance Of Death
The Alchemist
The Talisman (best Maiden track since 7th Son?)
The Book Of Souls

Wow. I'm going to make that into a Spotify playlist right now.

All that and I'd add Legacy, 2 AM, The unbeliever and Como Estais Amigos to my list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 14, 2021, 01:00:17 PM
You must be forgetting Dream of mirrors. I'd also add Gates of tomorrow and The Pilgrim, two very unterrated short tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 14, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
Oh, yeah! GoT and The Pilgrim I esp like of them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 17, 2021, 12:57:46 PM
So you guys may not have ventured into the Wilderun thread recently, but they released a cover of Seventh Son yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqelDw_Zoaw


It is INCREDIBLE! Small amount of harsh vocals in the chorus, but the song is sung clean. Amazing arrangement.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 17, 2021, 01:12:10 PM

Too bad about the vocals in this band, otherwise they'd be killer.  A shame too since he's got a fantastic singing voice, at least for now he does.  That won't last if he keeps up that stupid cookie monster stuff



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 17, 2021, 01:20:03 PM
I'm not familiar with the band at all outside of having heard of them before, but that was a very good cover. Interesting how they made it both softer and heavier than the original at various times without anything feeling out of place. And they have three guitars like Maiden? Cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 17, 2021, 01:22:35 PM
Structurally they made it a much more interesting and climactic song.  I can do without grown men making cookie monster sounds like 6-year-olds, but the song is killer musically
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2021, 07:11:35 PM
So you guys may not have ventured into the Wilderun thread recently, but they released a cover of Seventh Son yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqelDw_Zoaw


It is INCREDIBLE! Small amount of harsh vocals in the chorus, but the song is sung clean. Amazing arrangement.

Will check this tonight.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2021, 04:23:35 AM
Very creative.  Wasn't keen on his clean voice but loved the growled chorus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 18, 2021, 06:56:31 AM
Very creative.  Wasn't keen on his clean voice but loved the growled chorus.
I agree that it's creative. I like that it wasn't a straight note-for-note performance of the original, but I'm quite the opposite on the vocals. I liked the clean vocals but growled vocals were just garbage and did nothing for the song. And the double bass in some parts was a bit much although it worked for most of the instrumental half, aside from the blast beats that didn't do anything to add to the song.

I did find it amusing that while there are quite clearly plenty of keyboards in their version and they apparently have 3 guitarists, there's no appearance of anyone playing keys in that video.  ::)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 18, 2021, 08:13:20 AM
I really liked that, with two quibbles:  the  growls, and double-bass drum fills around 3:10 or so.  I'm not a huge double-bass fan, I guess.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 18, 2021, 08:25:15 AM
I guess I'm the only one who didn't care for it.  It's not bad, I like that it's their own take of the song, but it doesn't sound very good to me from the vocals to the video game sounding of the ending instrumental part.  The best part is that it is a unique cover.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2021, 12:58:45 PM
I guess I'm the only one who didn't care for it.  It's not bad, I like that it's their own take of the song, but it doesn't sound very good to me from the vocals to the video game sounding of the ending instrumental part.  The best part is that it is a unique cover.

I wasn't blown away either.  The best part for me was the creativity.  They changed the solos too much for my liking too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 22, 2021, 08:30:12 AM
 Here's the interview with Blaze!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvHm_2uZNZg&t=1095s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2021, 08:51:44 AM
Ooh, it's a long one! I'll watch it this week when I manage to find the time, but first, let me press the like button on YouTube.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2021, 08:52:53 AM
Ooh, it's a long one! I'll watch it this week when I manage to find the time, but first, let me press the like button on YouTube.  :tup

Same, I have it loaded and will have to watch/listen in bits while at work today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 22, 2021, 08:55:42 AM
 Yeah, take your time! This one came out great, and Blaze talks A LOT!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 23, 2021, 12:00:16 PM
I'm watching it right now. Man, I love this guy's energy!  :metal

EDIT: After seeing him talk about the trilogy of songs on the new album, I am absolutely hyped about it. I can't wait to hear it.

EDIT 2: "I want to talk to you about Wolfsba..." "WE ARE WORKING ON THE NEW ALBUM!!!"  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2021, 12:04:05 PM
Yea, he's wild, but charming too.  Really enjoyed the interview
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 23, 2021, 12:49:05 PM
I will say I really like the dynamics they brought to this.  Those super quiet verses in the beginning are great.  Maiden should do stuff like this once in a while.  Tweak a song for a live performance.  Like Dream Theater turning the live performance of Hollow Years on Budakan into a 9:18 mini-epic  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 23, 2021, 01:21:10 PM

EDIT 2: "I want to talk to you about Wolfsba..." "WE ARE WORKING ON THE NEW ALBUM!!!"  :lol

 Right???!!?!?!?!?!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 This has been the case with many guys I spoke with later: I had a ton of questions, but they just took off talking about their respective albums and I couldn't address everything I wanted. Blaze, Eric Martin, Michael Schenker, and yesterday, Steve Lukather were very generous with their time, but wouldn't shut up!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 23, 2021, 02:05:59 PM

EDIT 2: "I want to talk to you about Wolfsba..." "WE ARE WORKING ON THE NEW ALBUM!!!"  :lol

 Right???!!?!?!?!?!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 This has been the case with many guys I spoke with later: I had a ton of questions, but they just took off talking about their respective albums and I couldn't address everything I wanted. Blaze, Eric Martin, Michael Schenker, and yesterday, Steve Lukather were very generous with their time, but wouldn't shut up!!!!

Kind of better than the alternative, no?

"So, I understand you have a new album out!"
"Yes."







"Can you tell us about it?"
"Yes."









Uh...

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2021, 02:10:57 PM
Yea, I'm sure it's frustrating a bit to not get your questions in, but at the same time, having someone just continuously talk probably makes the interview easier, especially if they are so engaging like Blaze was.  Also getting that interview on video was clutch because seeing his expressions make it much more interesting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 23, 2021, 02:56:25 PM
I actually insisted with the guys from our site that we start to capture more video interviews. I think it's part of establishing our brand. We do need better equipment though, and next time, I won't wear a freaking polo shirt to interview a metal legend like I did with Blaze!!!  :D :D :D

 And yes, I've had interviewees who were VERY dry and laconic in their responses. Three of them I actually had to transcribe, so as to disguise how disengaged they were: Mark Menghi of Metal Allegiance, Mark Tremonti and Danko Jones.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 23, 2021, 03:06:35 PM
Michael Schenker was pretty engaged. I think you asked him 4 questions. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2021, 03:08:26 PM
I actually insisted with the guys from our site that we start to capture more video interviews. I think it's part of establishing our brand. We do need better equipment though, and next time, I won't wear a freaking polo shirt to interview a metal legend like I did with Blaze!!!  :D :D :D

I just upgraded from a headset mic to a Blue Yeti USB one, it's extremely popular choice for streamers.  It just works well, plug n play and not too expensive.  Basically it's one of the best mics before you get into serious equipment.  (this is not to be negative to you, just thinking if you want to upgrade equipment and since you do interviews, the mic might be the most important piece to upgrade first).  I don't think your video quality is bad, but audio drives the video as my high school TV production teacher used to say.

And of course outfit is important but honestly, I don't personally see an issue wearing a polo shirt.  I've gotten a lot of flack at metal shows for dressing more business casual (since I was coming from work) so I get why you might want to look more "metal" but IMO, I really don't get the whole fashion thing.  As long as you don't look like a slob (which you don't).

Either way, I love seeing how you progress with the interviews.  You've been getting bigger and bigger names, so it only makes sense for you to want to start upgrading the hardware for better quality.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 23, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
And of course outfit is important but honestly, I don't personally see an issue wearing a polo shirt.  I've gotten a lot of flack at metal shows for dressing more business casual (since I was coming from work) so I get why you might want to look more "metal" but IMO, I really don't get the whole fashion thing.  As long as you don't look like a slob (which you don't).

Really? I thought metal shows were the one place when nobody gave a damn about what one was wearing. And if you're dressed for business, it's not that hard to imagine that you couldn't change and come straight from work. A couple of buddies of mine went to a black metal concert straight from a wedding (granted, it was a small underground band, those situations where everyone knows everyone), and they climbed on stage for a friendly invasion all elegant  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2021, 03:52:35 PM
And of course outfit is important but honestly, I don't personally see an issue wearing a polo shirt.  I've gotten a lot of flack at metal shows for dressing more business casual (since I was coming from work) so I get why you might want to look more "metal" but IMO, I really don't get the whole fashion thing.  As long as you don't look like a slob (which you don't).

Really? I thought metal shows were the one place when nobody gave a damn about what one was wearing. And if you're dressed for business, it's not that hard to imagine that you couldn't change and come straight from work. A couple of buddies of mine went to a black metal concert straight from a wedding (granted, it was a small underground band, those situations where everyone knows everyone), and they climbed on stage for a friendly invasion all elegant  :lol

I remember at ProgPower I had come straight from taking a class (I managed to do a work training trip in Atlanta at the same time as Progpower) and I was in business casual (polo and jeans) and some guy I was bsing with at the end of our conversation goes to me "I like you, but I hate the way you dress"  :lol I've also had people specifically target me in mosh pits before because I wore a button down.  You'd think the metal community wouldn't care about such things, but there's very much people who do.  Whatever, I think it's kind of funny and it doesn't bother me if people don't like it, but I do see why Rodrigo might be sensitive to what he's wearing even if I personally dgaf.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 23, 2021, 03:54:41 PM
I'd be more inclined to avoid the dude in the button down shirt in a moshpit. Guaranteed psycho! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2021, 04:01:00 PM
 :rollin

I'm actually pretty sure that time I could have changed and said fuck it.  Avantasia NYC concert.  I did end up making a friend in that mosh pit too who I (before covid) would regularly see at the local metal shows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 23, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
Michael Schenker was pretty engaged. I think you asked him 4 questions. :lol

 :D :D :D :D

 Do you know who I think would be like that? David Lee Roth. It would be like "hey Dave, how are you?" - "well here's the thing, kid...". And he would ramble incoherently for 45 minutes!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 23, 2021, 05:50:27 PM
And of course outfit is important but honestly, I don't personally see an issue wearing a polo shirt.  I've gotten a lot of flack at metal shows for dressing more business casual (since I was coming from work) so I get why you might want to look more "metal" but IMO, I really don't get the whole fashion thing.  As long as you don't look like a slob (which you don't).

Really? I thought metal shows were the one place when nobody gave a damn about what one was wearing. And if you're dressed for business, it's not that hard to imagine that you couldn't change and come straight from work. A couple of buddies of mine went to a black metal concert straight from a wedding (granted, it was a small underground band, those situations where everyone knows everyone), and they climbed on stage for a friendly invasion all elegant  :lol

For the longest time - until I tore it from tricep to wrist, I think at Michael Schenker, might have been Sons of Apollo - I wore a blue button-down Brooks Brothers shirt to every show.  It wasn't new, it wasn't crisp, but it was clean and it was my lucky shirt.  I think I'm wearing it in the Gary Barden shot, and definitely wearing it in the shot after the Shattered Fortress show.   It was comfortable, and it carried memories for me.   I actually miss it (though it was just tatters at the end).  I'm at a metal show.  I'm metal.  That's enough.  I don't need to dress like Rob Fucking Halford.    :metal


 ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2021, 06:36:55 PM
I've seen this shirt a few times, including a couple IM concerts  :metal funny enough after saying how much I don't care about metal fashion, my "concert shirt" is actually an Iron Maiden shirt with Eddie from Raising Hell  :lol definitely wore that shirt more than any other shirt at a concert.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 23, 2021, 06:46:15 PM
I wore a button down shirt to Alice Cooper in 1987.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ort7vd4.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 23, 2021, 10:46:07 PM
World Slavery Tour, 1985, I was doing time at a private Christian school. Either 7th or 8th grade. Because of time constraints I had to haul ass right after school and hit the show in a white button-down, and black slacks; Dockers hadn't been invented yet. Talk about feeling like a tool. I wore the iconic WS tour shirt (https://wycovintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/925ad584-891a-532c-b56c-f77a80d66f34.jpg) over it, and I had a back stage pass stuck to the tail of that, so at last I was camouflaged, but it was still a awkward as all getout.

At the time I would have hated for there to be pictures of that. Thirty-five years later I'd love to see a picture of me at that show.

And I have no specific concert shirt. It varies and I put a great deal of thoughtfulness into it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 24, 2021, 07:05:41 AM
We called those shirts "baseball jerseys" or "baseball shirts", because you'd wear those under your baseball uniform (with the appropriate colored sleeve).   I miss those a lot.  My first concert shirt ever (still have it) is one of those from the Number Of The Beast show.   I had an Ozzy one with the Blizzard cover on it that I wore into rags, and a couple Kiss ones too. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on February 24, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Well I'll tell you I got some unfriendly looks when I wore my Phish tee shirt to an Iron Maiden show. :lol  Totally not planned. That's just what I happened to be wearing that day when my friends picked me up. Had not planned on going to the show and it was a last minute thing. Barely made it there in time and missed almost all of DT's set.  :'(

Didn't make any new friends when Adrian messed up going into open string pull-off bit that proceeds the 2nd verse of Pashcendale. As it was only him playing, it was a super obvious mistake. I loudly blurted out "Whooops!" into the silence and got some more evil looks from Maiden fans. Oh I totally get the irony of a Phishhead pointing out a performance mistake!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 24, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
 :lol my friend and I both wore white tshirts to an iron maiden concert once just so we'd stand out against all the black shirts.  I'd have to find the picture, but the band shared one on social media from the stage... and you could clearly see the two idiots in white tshirts  :lol  Sometimes I honestly just find this stuff funny.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 24, 2021, 01:00:51 PM
New Adrian Smith / Richie Kotzen song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaTl8YNXLtE
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2021, 04:17:27 AM
Finally getting around to spinning my copy of the LOTB live CD.  Bruce certainly is showing his age though.  Aces High is terrible and Eagles isn't much better, but he warms up and I really enjoyed the rest of cd 1.  Looking forward to disc 2.

I do find all 3 guitarists kind of go through the motions now with their solos.  They change them up too much now from the originals IMO and end up playing pretty much the same solo each song.  I do love what Adrian did with The Wicker Man though, that's all class.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 28, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Finally getting around to spinning my copy of the LOTB live CD.  Bruce certainly is showing his age though.  Aces High is terrible and Eagles isn't much better, but he warms up and I really enjoyed the rest of cd 1.  Looking forward to disc 2.

I do find all 3 guitarists kind of go through the motions now with their solos.  They change them up too much now from the originals IMO and end up playing pretty much the same solo each song.  I do love what Adrian did with The Wicker Man though, that's all class.

It must have been the event that made them use Mexico.   I have an HD boot of the show I saw, Hartford, and Bruce is NOTICEABLY better. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2021, 01:24:18 PM
Finally getting around to spinning my copy of the LOTB live CD.  Bruce certainly is showing his age though.  Aces High is terrible and Eagles isn't much better, but he warms up and I really enjoyed the rest of cd 1.  Looking forward to disc 2.

I do find all 3 guitarists kind of go through the motions now with their solos.  They change them up too much now from the originals IMO and end up playing pretty much the same solo each song.  I do love what Adrian did with The Wicker Man though, that's all class.

It must have been the event that made them use Mexico.   I have an HD boot of the show I saw, Hartford, and Bruce is NOTICEABLY better.

When he talks he actually sounds a bit sick to me.  Not sure if that's the case though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Big Hath on March 12, 2021, 12:33:48 PM
sorry to dredge up an old topic from this thread:

Gers has been in the band for over 30 years, it would make 0 sense not to include him. Is there any example of a band member for that many years and also currently in the band not being included?


When Chicago was inducted in 2016, Jason Scheff had been in the band 31 years, appearing on numerous releases and singing lead on major hits.  And he was not inducted.

Bill Champlin was in the band for 28 years.  Wrote songs for and sang lead on numerous releases, major hits, including their early/mid 80s resurrection on huge albums such as Chicago 16 and Chicago 17.  Basically gave the band new life after Kath died.  And he was not inducted.


Drummer Tris Imboden had been in the band 26 years at that point and was also not inducted.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 12, 2021, 12:55:59 PM
It's basically random:  Steve Morse (one of the greatest guitar players of all time, any genre) was in Deep Purple for 22 years at the time of induction and pfff (but they let in Rod Evans).   Eric Carr (who by many accounts, including Gene and Paul when they're in the mood, saved Kiss) was in the band for 11 years and died tragically, and pffft.

To me it's a way of sending the not-so-subtle message that "you're here at our own good graces, don't rock the fucking boat".   I already think very highly of Bruce, but if he does go (which is not a given unless Steve lays down the law), and mentions Blaze (which he is wont to do), I may be forced to build a shrine in my house.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2021, 01:04:40 PM
Eddie Trunk recently tweeted about how the hall should have included Blaze because they included Stratton.  It really makes little sense.  I get the arguments for and against, but a lot of times, I just don't see why they go for people instead of shun them.  I guess it's all about creating controversy and stories for the media.  It seems to have nothing to do with music.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on March 12, 2021, 01:10:15 PM
Finally getting around to spinning my copy of the LOTB live CD.  Bruce certainly is showing his age though.  Aces High is terrible and Eagles isn't much better, but he warms up and I really enjoyed the rest of cd 1.  Looking forward to disc 2.

I do find all 3 guitarists kind of go through the motions now with their solos.  They change them up too much now from the originals IMO and end up playing pretty much the same solo each song.  I do love what Adrian did with The Wicker Man though, that's all class.

It must have been the event that made them use Mexico.   I have an HD boot of the show I saw, Hartford, and Bruce is NOTICEABLY better.

When he talks he actually sounds a bit sick to me.  Not sure if that's the case though.

Remember Mexico City is almost 7400 ft above sea level so breathing is harder.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on March 12, 2021, 03:14:49 PM
Finally getting around to spinning my copy of the LOTB live CD.  Bruce certainly is showing his age though.  Aces High is terrible and Eagles isn't much better, but he warms up and I really enjoyed the rest of cd 1.  Looking forward to disc 2.

I do find all 3 guitarists kind of go through the motions now with their solos.  They change them up too much now from the originals IMO and end up playing pretty much the same solo each song.  I do love what Adrian did with The Wicker Man though, that's all class.

It must have been the event that made them use Mexico.   I have an HD boot of the show I saw, Hartford, and Bruce is NOTICEABLY better.

When he talks he actually sounds a bit sick to me.  Not sure if that's the case though.

Remember Mexico City is almost 7400 ft above sea level so breathing is harder.
It was also towards the very end of a very long tour. It actually reminds me of Live After Death in that regard. They waited until the very end of the tour to record that, and it showed in Bruce's voice. In any case, they chose Mexico City partly because it was three nights, and partly because there's an energy there that they don't get elsewhere. One is a necessity, and one is the smart move. I've seen Maiden in quite a few cities, and they really step it up in Mexico.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2021, 03:23:00 PM
Finally getting around to spinning my copy of the LOTB live CD.  Bruce certainly is showing his age though.  Aces High is terrible and Eagles isn't much better, but he warms up and I really enjoyed the rest of cd 1.  Looking forward to disc 2.

I do find all 3 guitarists kind of go through the motions now with their solos.  They change them up too much now from the originals IMO and end up playing pretty much the same solo each song.  I do love what Adrian did with The Wicker Man though, that's all class.

It must have been the event that made them use Mexico.   I have an HD boot of the show I saw, Hartford, and Bruce is NOTICEABLY better.

When he talks he actually sounds a bit sick to me.  Not sure if that's the case though.

Remember Mexico City is almost 7400 ft above sea level so breathing is harder.
It was also towards the very end of a very long tour. It actually reminds me of Live After Death in that regard. They waited until the very end of the tour to record that, and it showed in Bruce's voice. In any case, they chose Mexico City partly because it was three nights, and partly because there's an energy there that they don't get elsewhere. One is a necessity, and one is the smart move. I've seen Maiden in quite a few cities, and they really step it up in Mexico.

I also wonder if they chose it because it was the best recording on the tour (maybe due to having three nights they could mix together).  I'm not entirely sure this release would have happened if it weren't for the pandemic which makes me think they didn't pick this date specifically to release.  Just a thought. 

Regardless, other than Aces High, I think Bruce sounds pretty good all things considered.  I haven't bought it, but listened a bunch on youtube and kind of feel since I do enjoy it, I should purchase it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on March 12, 2021, 03:50:08 PM
Quite randomly, I listened to Maiden's version of Cross-Eyed Mary last night.  For the first 15 years that I owned POM, that song was part of the album for me because I had the picture disc.  Anyway, that's one of the best covers I can think of.  So well done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2021, 03:59:25 PM
Huh..Cross Eyed Mary might literally be my least favorite Iron Maiden B side, whereas I've Got The Fire, also from the POM Era is my favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2021, 04:50:21 PM
Huh..Cross Eyed Mary might literally be my least favorite Iron Maiden B side, whereas I've Got The Fire, also from the POM Era is my favorite.

I've got the Fire is one of my favorite IM bsides (albeit being a cover), but I thought that was earlier than POM era because Dianno sung it first.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2021, 04:51:50 PM
Huh..Cross Eyed Mary might literally be my least favorite Iron Maiden B side, whereas I've Got The Fire, also from the POM Era is my favorite.

I've got the Fire is one of my favorite IM bsides (albeit being a cover), but I thought that was earlier than POM era because Dianno sung it first.

Yeah he did, but it's the Flight Of Icarus b side. I had the 45 and spun the hell out of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2021, 04:54:21 PM
Huh..Cross Eyed Mary might literally be my least favorite Iron Maiden B side, whereas I've Got The Fire, also from the POM Era is my favorite.

I've got the Fire is one of my favorite IM bsides (albeit being a cover), but I thought that was earlier than POM era because Dianno sung it first.

Yeah he did, but it's the Flight Of Icarus b side. I had the 45 and spun the hell out of it.

Fair enough, that was the Bruce recorded version? I think they only did it live with Paul? Either way, I love it with either singing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 12, 2021, 05:01:39 PM
It's Steve Harris' birthday today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2021, 05:54:25 PM
It's Steve Harris' birthday today.

He's 65! WOW!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 13, 2021, 12:34:50 AM
Flipping heck!

He should celebrate by releasing that new album!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 13, 2021, 02:25:28 AM
Happy birthday to Steve Harris. He is the man.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 13, 2021, 03:39:49 AM
Flipping heck!

He should celebrate by releasing that new album!

This album is one of the worst kept secrets in the history of music, eh?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on March 13, 2021, 06:23:33 AM
Huh..Cross Eyed Mary might literally be my least favorite Iron Maiden B side, whereas I've Got The Fire, also from the POM Era is my favorite.

I've got the Fire is one of my favorite IM bsides (albeit being a cover), but I thought that was earlier than POM era because Dianno sung it first.

I think by far the best b-sides they ever did were the ones during Somewhere in Time: Reach Out and That Girl. Man, they are great songs. And with that signature SIT guitar sound and all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 13, 2021, 12:52:18 PM
Huh..Cross Eyed Mary might literally be my least favorite Iron Maiden B side, whereas I've Got The Fire, also from the POM Era is my favorite.

I've got the Fire is one of my favorite IM bsides (albeit being a cover), but I thought that was earlier than POM era because Dianno sung it first.

I think by far the best b-sides they ever did were the ones during Somewhere in Time: Reach Out and That Girl. Man, they are great songs. And with that signature SIT guitar sound and all.

That Girl was a great interpretation.  I do prefer FM's version though personally.  Reach Out is phenomenal.

I'll add some votes for Judgement Day and Justice of the Peace.  Ripper tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 13, 2021, 04:03:29 PM

I'll add some votes for Judgement Day and Justice of the Peace.  Ripper tracks.

Wrong band. Those were Blaze tracks.  :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 14, 2021, 04:35:47 AM

I'll add some votes for Judgement Day and Justice of the Peace.  Ripper tracks.

Wrong band. Those were Blaze tracks.  :P

I just knew someone would call me out on that after I posted.  Of course it was you Tim!  :lol :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 14, 2021, 09:14:12 AM
Flipping heck!

He should celebrate by releasing that new album!

This album is one of the worst kept secrets in the history of music, eh?

Hope so!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 14, 2021, 02:38:26 PM
Bes Maiden b-sides:

- Total Eclipse (A top 10 Maiden song for me)
- All In Your Mind
- Rainbow's Gold
- King Of Twilight
- I've Got The Fire

I actually like Women In Uniform, too, even though the band isn't keen on it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 14, 2021, 02:53:53 PM
These are my Top 5

-I've Got The Fire
-Rainbow's Gold
-Sherriff Of Huddersfield
-Reach Out
-Massacre
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 14, 2021, 02:59:16 PM
Judgement Day
Justice of the Peace
Reach Out
Charlotte the Harlot 88
Prowler 88

Rainbows Gold and King of Twilight could take the place of the remakes though.

Women in Uniform is a great rendition and very true to the original.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: v_clortho on March 14, 2021, 09:07:53 PM
Got to be Sheriff of Huddersfield and mission from 'Arry
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 14, 2021, 09:13:19 PM
Got to be Sheriff of Huddersfield and mission from 'Arry

Whenever I'd make a tape of something for one of my friends, I would end them with "....some c***'s recording this..."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 14, 2021, 09:25:12 PM
Got to be Sheriff of Huddersfield and mission from 'Arry

Whenever I'd make a tape of something for one of my friends, I would end them with "....some c***'s recording this..."

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: v_clortho on March 14, 2021, 09:32:10 PM
Got to be Sheriff of Huddersfield and mission from 'Arry


Whenever I'd make a tape of something for one of my friends, I would end them with "....some c***'s recording this..."

 :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 15, 2021, 08:36:27 AM
TBH, I dislike almost all the IM b-sides.  Blaze has the best with Justice of the Peace, Judgement Day, and Virus.

I've got the Fire and Women in Uniform are good too.  The Bruce b-sides just do absolutely nothing for me.  The Best of the B-sides CD from Eddies Archive is sadly mostly unlistenable to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 13, 2021, 06:43:56 AM
And now, in "shocking" news that exactly no one is surprised of.....




IRON MAIDEN EUROPEAN LEGACY OF THE BEAST SUMMER 2021 TOUR – POSTPONED TO 2022

We regret to announce that the IRON MAIDEN 2021 June & July dates on the Legacy Of The Beast Tour have been postponed due to the continuing COVID-19 pandemic restrictions on global live events and travel. The Legacy Of The Beast European Tour will now take place in the Summer of 2022 on the dates below. All tickets remain valid. Please note:

-The German Stuttgart 2022 show will now take place at the Cannstatter Wasen, not the Mercedes-Benz Arena, which is not available due to stadium reconstruction works. Tickets remain valid and ticket-holders will be notified by the local promoter/ticketing agency in due course.

-The Swiss show has reverted to Zurich Hallenstadion as was originally planned for 2020, as this venue is now available again for 2022. Therefore, there will be no rescheduled show for Basel St Jakobshalle (which never went onsale this year).

-Zurich along with Frankfurt, Arnhem and Belsonic will go on sale imminently – details below

The postponement of the Legacy Of The Beast Tour does however bring the good news that Maiden can now return to headlining the European festival dates initially planned for 2020 which were cancelled due to the pandemic. This includes Graspop in Belgium so therefore the own-show date in Antwerp (which had also not gone onsale) will no longer take place. Furthermore, we are in the process of finalising a further couple of own-shows in other European territories and will update you about those as soon as they are confirmed.

Confirmed supports for all own-shows can be found on the Tour date page. Where possible these will remain the same as announced for this year.

Manager Rod Smallwood comments; “Naturally the band are hugely disappointed, a second summer without touring, especially with this very special Legacy show, is very hard to take. They send their best wishes to you all, knowing full well you fans will feel the same. As we all know, realistically there is no alternative so we will all make the best of it and spend the time preparing for a very memorable and even more spectacular Legacy tour next year, we promise! Until then keep safe and keep smart”


2022 LEGACY OF THE BEAST EUROPEAN DATES:

June 04 - Finland Hyvinkää Rockfest
June 11 - UK Donington Download Festival
June 13 - N.Ire Belfast Ormeau Park Belsonic Festival*
June 16 - Belgium, Dessel Graspop
June 18 - Denmark, Copenhagen, Copenhell
June 20 - Czech Republic Prague Sinobo Stadium (rescheduled from 15.06.2021)
June 23 - Norway Oslo Tons Of Rock
June 26 - France Paris La Defense Arena (rescheduled from 11.07.21)
June 27 - Netherlands Arnhem Gelredome (rescheduled from 10.07.21)*
June 30 - Switzerland Zurich Hallenstadion *

July 02 - Germany Cologne Rhein-Energie-Stadium (rescheduled from 08.07.21)
July 04 - Germany Berlin Waldbühne (rescheduled from 30.06.21)
July 07 - Italy Bologna Sonic Park (rescheduled from 24.06.21)
July 09 - Germany Stuttgart Cannstatter Wasen (rescheduled from Mercedes-Benz Arena 26.06.21)
July 10 - Austria Wiener Neustadt Stadium Open-Air (rescheduled from 16.06.21)
July 20 - Germany Bremen Bürgerweide (rescheduled from 13.06.21)
July 22 - Sweden Gothenburg Ullevi Stadium (rescheduled from 03.07.21)
July 24 - Poland Warsaw PGE Narodowy (rescheduled from 11.06.21)
July 26 - Germany Frankfurt Deutsche Bank Park (rescheduled from 06.07.21)*
July 29 - Spain Barcelona Olympic Stadium (rescheduled from 19.06.21)
July 31 - Portugal Lisbon Estadio Nacional (rescheduled from 21.06.21)


ARNHEM: On Sale Friday 16th April @ 10am CET

ZURICH: On Sale Friday 23rd April @ 8am CET

FRANKFURT: On-Sale Friday 23rd April @10am CET

BELSONIC: On-Sale Friday 16th April @ 9am BST

The Zurich and Frankfurt shows will have exclusive Iron Maiden Fan Club presales next week. Please click here for more info.



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Geez, drop the tour already and release the damn new album! I know that selfishly I'll enjoy seeing again their best visual show ever, but they've lost two of their final years behind a tour that everyone in the world (except Oceania) has seen at least once.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 07:08:33 AM
Yeah, this news is not what anyone besides the Europeans want to hear and even then, maybe they'd just rather a new tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on April 13, 2021, 08:39:59 AM
Maiden will definitely make it:

http://vote.rockhall.com/results/ (http://vote.rockhall.com/results/)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on April 13, 2021, 09:32:59 AM
Yeah, this news is not what anyone besides the Europeans want to hear and even then, maybe they'd just rather a new tour.

Well, as a European I think it's utterly absurd they're still planning to tour Legacy of the Beast. Just release the new bloody album, FFS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 13, 2021, 09:37:16 AM
Anyone more versed in the legal side of things can deduce if they might be contractually tied to this tour? can there be such a thing in the contract that rather than just saying "Iron Maiden will perform at this venue in this date" specifies "Iron Maiden will perform their Legacy of the Beast tour at this venue in this date"? could it be that a specific tour can cost more to the promoters and so they would complain as in "I paid you 1 million euros to have this greatest hits tour, your new album tour with a lesser production is worth just 800K"?

'cause the cases are two, they are legally contracted to perform that specific kind of show with that stage show and with that promotional label, or they're just stubborn in doing a third year touring behind a greatest hits tour when they have an album ready since two years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 09:41:19 AM
I don't know but they've changed venues, added shows, removed shows and changed dates so not sure if the contracts would even be that specific.

My guess, they sold tickets and have money tied to finishing the tour and don't want to lose it.  It sucks.  The band is only getting older, the tour happened in most places they typically tour already.  There's only so many more opportunities for the band.  If the new album rumors are true, it makes little sense to not just move on other than money and even then... it seems like they have enough to take a hit and to proceed onto their future plans instead of living in the past.

Now, I guess the only exception would be if they say they will film one of these shows.  A proper video of that tour is really missed because it might have been their best stage show ever.  Although years later, who knows if the band is going to be able to perform at the same level?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 13, 2021, 09:50:07 AM
Maiden will definitely make it:

http://vote.rockhall.com/results/ (http://vote.rockhall.com/results/)

Ummm...no.  This voting is not for induction into the RRHOF.  Rather, it's for a "fans' ballot."  Maiden may make it onto the "fans' ballot," but that's only one of many ballots that will be tallied for the induction vote.  In other words, just because Maiden is on the "fans' ballot" doesn't mean they'll be inducted.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 09:56:50 AM
Maiden will definitely make it:

http://vote.rockhall.com/results/ (http://vote.rockhall.com/results/)

Ummm...no.  This voting is not for induction into the RRHOF.  Rather, it's for a "fans' ballot."  Maiden may make it onto the "fans' ballot," but that's only one of many ballots that will be tallied for the induction vote.  In other words, just because Maiden is on the "fans' ballot" doesn't mean they'll be inducted.

I wasn't 100% sure how this worked, but I was thinking along what you said.  I don't think that vote is any sort of guarantee or even gives any real hope they will get in.  Just seems they are likely to make it to the actual round of voting.  I've got no idea how the actual voters view IM.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 13, 2021, 09:58:48 AM
Anyone more versed in the legal side of things can deduce if they might be contractually tied to this tour? can there be such a thing in the contract that rather than just saying "Iron Maiden will perform at this venue in this date" specifies "Iron Maiden will perform their Legacy of the Beast tour at this venue in this date"? could it be that a specific tour can cost more to the promoters and so they would complain as in "I paid you 1 million euros to have this greatest hits tour, your new album tour with a lesser production is worth just 800K"?

'cause the cases are two, they are legally contracted to perform that specific kind of show with that stage show and with that promotional label, or they're just stubborn in doing a third year touring behind a greatest hits tour when they have an album ready since two years.

It's certainly possible for a contract to specify that an artist will perform a particular show.  The problem that I see with a claim that some other show is worth less money is that the promoters might have difficulty proving damages.  If Maiden announced that it wasn't going to do the LOTB show, promoters wouldn't necessarily have to give refunds, and I don't think most fans would ask for refunds (particularly for the festival dates).  My best guess is that, even if the contracts with the promoters for these shows expressly refer to LOTB, the band could change that if they want.  Of course, these contracts would be governed by EU law, and I have no idea if/how that law might be different than U.S. contract law.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 13, 2021, 10:07:49 AM
Maiden will definitely make it:

http://vote.rockhall.com/results/ (http://vote.rockhall.com/results/)

Ummm...no.  This voting is not for induction into the RRHOF.  Rather, it's for a "fans' ballot."  Maiden may make it onto the "fans' ballot," but that's only one of many ballots that will be tallied for the induction vote.  In other words, just because Maiden is on the "fans' ballot" doesn't mean they'll be inducted.

I wasn't 100% sure how this worked, but I was thinking along what you said.  I don't think that vote is any sort of guarantee or even gives any real hope they will get in.  Just seems they are likely to make it to the actual round of voting.  I've got no idea how the actual voters view IM.

It's explained at the link:  "The top five artists, as selected by the public, will comprise a 'fans’ ballot' that will be tallied along with the other ballots to choose the 2021 inductees."

I don't know how many folks vote, but one article I read says it's about 600.  Let's assume it's 599, so adding this "fans' ballot" makes 600 total ballots.  Let's further assume that an artist needs to be on at least 75% of the ballots to be inducted.  The five artists on the "fans' ballot" have one of the 450 votes needed for induction, so they need to appear on 449 of the 599 individual ballots to be inducted.  The artists who aren't on the "fans' ballot" need to be on 450 of the 599 individual ballots.  In other words, being on the "fans' ballot" gives an artist a 0.00041% better chance at induction.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 13, 2021, 11:00:31 AM
I don't really think it's a contract issue, and more of a, we spent money on this tour and don't want to lose money, when we could be making profits. Both a band and label choice. The band could be contractually obligated by the label to finish the tour before making a new album, because the label doesn't want to lose money. The Touring Agents, The Booking Agents, Promoters, all do not what to lose out on the money this tour brings.

This is one of Maidens biggest tours in terms of production value as well. All those props are not cheap.

As much as I want a new album too. It logistically and financially makes sense to not cancel the tour. Especially the European tours.

There's a lot more that goes on in regards to touring.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on April 13, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
I think we may need to give consideration to another possibility. Nicko will have turned 69 at the start of the tour next year. I don't think we can assume there will be more. My hunch is that they're probably already recorded a new album by now, no reason for them not to have, but if we're closing on the end of their touring days the LoB show is a pretty good way to go out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 12:10:43 PM
I think we may need to give consideration to another possibility. Nicko will have turned 69 at the start of the tour next year. I don't think we can assume there will be more. My hunch is that they're probably already recorded a new album by now, no reason for them not to have, but if we're closing on the end of their touring days the LoB show is a pretty good way to go out.

Definitely possible, but Adrian did recently say that there's lots of good news coming from the IM camp in the future.  A lot can change in a year though. It would kind of suck though if they released an album and never were able to tour for it due to age/health.  I'd rather see them go out with the new album/tour than another leg of the same tour they already released a live album from. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 13, 2021, 12:53:53 PM
It would be cool if I could see them live in 2021 because it would be 40 years after my first time seeing them at the end of 1981  :o   I have no idea if they'll come back through the US this year, though.  But if they come anywhere near Boston I am there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 15, 2021, 03:43:30 PM
Maiden will definitely make it:

http://vote.rockhall.com/results/ (http://vote.rockhall.com/results/)

I'll bet you a t-shirt they don't (and Maiden is a top five band for me; I LOVE them.)   The people voting aren't interested in the popular vote.  Rage Against The Machine is almost a gimme, as far as I'm concerned, and one of LL Cool J and Jay-Z as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 15, 2021, 04:25:18 PM
Maiden will definitely make it:

http://vote.rockhall.com/results/ (http://vote.rockhall.com/results/)

I'll bet you a t-shirt they don't (and Maiden is a top five band for me; I LOVE them.)   The people voting aren't interested in the popular vote.  Rage Against The Machine is almost a gimme, as far as I'm concerned, and one of LL Cool J and Jay-Z as well.

I don't know about the last part, but I think it says a lot that Maiden have over 100,000 fewer vote than the freakin' Go-Go's and over 1.2 million fewer votes that Fela Kuti (fuckin' who???!).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 15, 2021, 04:27:13 PM
I'm not even clicking on that link and voting as I know it will be a waste of time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 15, 2021, 04:31:52 PM
I've been planning a trip to Slovakia/Poland (a heritage/ancestry trip) that has been postponed for COVID.  I'm now looking at re-secheduling that for June of 2022.  :) :) :)

How friggin' cool to see Maiden at a stadium in (or near) the former Eastern bloc? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on April 22, 2021, 10:37:43 AM
Update on the RaRHoF fan vote...

As of earlier today, Tina Turner received 504,711 votes; Fela Kuti 480,529; THE Go-Go's 369,049, Iron Maiden 354,866 and Foo Fighters 341,506.

I know the fan vote doesn't really amount to a whole lot.  And, the Hall itself is pretty much bullshit.  But, who the hell are these people who have voted for Fela Kuti?!?  I'm not taking anything away from the artist.  I looked him up when the nominations were made.  I know he's considered the master of Afrobeat.  Tina Turner is a legend who's already in the HoF with Ike.  I don't have a problem with her, her vote total and I won't have a problem when she gets voted in again.  But, Fela Kuti has about 25K less votes than her and almost 130,000 more votes than Maiden!  If you were to poll 130,000 random people, how many of them would even know who Fela Kuti was?!?  I mean, he's been dead for almost 25 years.  If you asked those same 130,000 random people, how many of them do you think would have at least heard of Iron Maiden? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 22, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
Update on the RaRHoF fan vote...

As of earlier today, Tina Turner received 504,711 votes; Fela Kuti 480,529; THE Go-Go's 369,049, Iron Maiden 354,866 and Foo Fighters 341,506.

I know the fan vote doesn't really amount to a whole lot.  And, the Hall itself is pretty much bullshit.  But, who the hell are these people who have voted for Fela Kuti?!?  I'm not taking anything away from the artist.  I looked him up when the nominations were made.  I know he's considered the master of Afrobeat.  Tina Turner is a legend who's already in the HoF with Ike.  I don't have a problem with her, her vote total and I won't have a problem when she gets voted in again.  But, Fela Kuti has about 25K less votes than her and almost 130,000 more votes than Maiden!  If you were to poll 130,000 random people, how many of them would even know who Fela Kuti was?!?  I mean, he's been dead for almost 25 years.  If you asked those same 130,000 random people, how many of them do you think would have at least heard of Iron Maiden?

If you allow yourself to ponder stuff like this too long, you'll go insane.  I'd never heard of the dude before this vote, but the one thing I believe I learned from looking him up is that he had nothing at all to do with "rock & roll" or anything that even remotely resembles it.  Maybe this is the way that his fan base is seeking to make more people aware of him.  By contrast, a wide segment of Maiden fans don't care about the RRHOF so aren't bothering to vote.  In other words, beats me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 22, 2021, 11:17:33 AM
I do ponder this, because I find it fascinating from a sociological/psychological perspective.   The RnRHoF is a microcosm of American life in 2021.  No, really, it is.    Some vocal subset of the larger population decrees that something is worthy (or beneficial, or just, or moral, if you will) and the remainder react; the remainder who agree latch onto the existence as proof of their being "right" (or smart, or moral) and those that disagree or who are left on the outside dismiss the integrity of the premise to start with, often, though not always, with a dismissiveness to the people involved or benefitting from the premise.

The Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame is about the "us" and the "them", and the "us", the insiders, lord their superiority over the "them".

Dave Marsh, insider, famously decrees that "Kiss will get in over my dead body" - implying that no facts, no information will trump his opinion. And they don't, until usurpers get in, new blood with a different viewpoint, and they are elected perfunctorily and only the core original members.   Seymour Stein, former head of Sire Records, pimps his artist roster, filling the hall with lesser acts like The Pretenders, Talking Heads, The Ramones and The Cure.  The precursor of the "with us or against us" mentality, furthered by Jann Wenner.  Why else is the liberal West Coast country-rock scene over-represented?  Why else is Bob Seger, who is at best a John Mellencamp/Bruce Springsteen knock-off, in and Alice Cooper - another Detroit blue-collar artist with right-wing associations and who single-handedly started an entire GENRE, late to the party?   Why else is the 80's "Amnesty International" squad of The Police, Dire Straits, Talking Heads, Peter Gabriel, REM, and U2 all in but Phil Collins - who outsold all of them BOTH solo and with Genesis, but ran into political backlash in the 90's - not?  Why is the E-Street Band in AS A SEPARATE ARTIST, despite having never put out a stand alone album, and every member of the Grateful Dead is in, including two members that never appeared on a studio record proper (Constantin and Hunter), and yet Kiss, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple have all had to exclude key, important band members at the unilateral whim of the Hall?   Patty Smith, nuff said? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on April 22, 2021, 12:19:26 PM
The crazy thing is, even knowing how silly the whole "Rock And Roll" Hall Of Fame is, every year, I still manage to get pissed about it.  Last year, Whitney Houston and Notorious BIG both get in and Pat Benatar and Judas Priest are left at the door.  Pat Benatar has a body of work that any artist would kill for.  Looking at her Wiki, she has 4 Grammy awards, 2 multi-platinum albums, 5 platinum albums and 15 Top 40 singles.  She was first nominated 16 years after being eligible.  The only real knock against her is that she didn't write the majority of her material.  It was mostly her husband/guitarist.  But, Whitney only co-wrote 5 songs of her entire catalog.  So, WTF?!?

And, every few years, you get that inductee that really gets you speechless.  Nina Simone.  Once again, I'm not saying she's not worthy of praise or accolades.  To be honest, I've never heard her music.  Most people who know her name probably know it from the 2 movies that came out a few years before she was inducted.  And...  NOT ROCK AND ROLL!  Fela Kuti will be this year's Nina Simone.

It's just another establishment run by the "too cool for school" kids.  And, more than anything, it's a business to get people to buy tix to their yearly concert (probably not this year, again) and their museum.  Maiden fans already go to the museum.  But, without an induction or nomination, how many Whitney Houston, Biggie or Fela Kuti fans are making a trip to Cleveland to visit the museum?!?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 22, 2021, 12:54:34 PM
I haven't cared or paid attention to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame pretty much ever.  It's just not important to me.  I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like.  Whether or not some group of elitist assholes likes them enough to include _____________________ (whoever) in their little clique means less to me than the length of my toenails.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 22, 2021, 02:30:59 PM
... means less to me than the length of my toenails.

I was going to make a joke and link a picture of someone with really long toenails, but after doing an image search, I was fucking too grossed out to go through with it. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on April 22, 2021, 02:31:27 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 22, 2021, 02:32:31 PM
For me, the horse has long ago left the barn on the whole "rock and roll" thing.  Whitney Houston?  The Notorious B.I.G. (whatever that is)?  Nina Simone?  Tupac Shakur?  Joan Baez?  It's just silly.  Those are not rock artists.  It'd be like inducting cricket and badminton players into the Baseball HOF.  Change the name to at least make it honest.  You can have the debates about who's in but isn't worthy and who isn't in and should be.  That happens with any HOF.  But mixing rap, jazz and folk artists just muddies the water too much.  I'll still keep an eye on it, but I just don't care enough anymore to put effort into it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 22, 2021, 02:50:32 PM
It's just all one big marketing ploy to get as much eyeballs and attention on it since those committees know how to rile up the metal community.  Happens with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and with the Grammys and people keep falling for it every time despite the same community saying that those Grammys and Hall of Fame don't matter.  They do care about it somewhat if they get mad about it every time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 22, 2021, 03:17:29 PM
... means less to me than the length of my toenails.

I was going to make a joke and link a picture of someone with really long toenails, but after doing an image search, I was fucking too grossed out to go through with it. :lol


 :rollin Yeah, man, toejam is nasty shit, yo  :|
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 22, 2021, 04:05:23 PM
... means less to me than the length of my toenails.

I was going to make a joke and link a picture of someone with really long toenails, but after doing an image search, I was fucking too grossed out to go through with it. :lol

So there's a show call "My Feet Are Killing Me", and the two doctors - Dr. Brad and Dr. Ebonie - are both model hot, but the feet they treat are enough to make you gag.   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 22, 2021, 04:56:43 PM
... means less to me than the length of my toenails.

I was going to make a joke and link a picture of someone with really long toenails, but after doing an image search, I was fucking too grossed out to go through with it. :lol

So there's a show call "My Feet Are Killing Me", and the two doctors - Dr. Brad and Dr. Ebonie - are both model hot, but the feet they treat are enough to make you gag.   :)

Isn't that a quote from Anthrax's "I'm the Man"?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 23, 2021, 10:42:08 AM
... means less to me than the length of my toenails.

I was going to make a joke and link a picture of someone with really long toenails, but after doing an image search, I was fucking too grossed out to go through with it. :lol

So there's a show call "My Feet Are Killing Me", and the two doctors - Dr. Brad and Dr. Ebonie - are both model hot, but the feet they treat are enough to make you gag.   :)

Isn't that a quote from Anthrax's "I'm the Man"?

The only thing harder's the smell of my feet

I wasn't even aware of who was nominated until I saw this thread. How did a type of cheese get nominated. Fela Kuti?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 23, 2021, 04:10:02 PM
Fela Kuti?  Is that a type of cheese?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 23, 2021, 04:26:06 PM
Fela Kuti?  Is that a type of cheese?

I don't know, but it sure sounds like some sort of variety.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 23, 2021, 04:48:01 PM
Here's what is said on Wiki.

Fela Anikulapo Kuti (born Olufela Olusegun Oludotun Ransome-Kuti; 15 October 1938 – 2 August 1997) was a Nigerian multi-instrumentalist, bandleader, composer, political activist, and Pan-Africanist. He is regarded as the pioneer of Afrobeat, an African music genre that combines traditional Yoruba and Afro-Cuban music with funk and jazz.[1] At the height of his popularity, he was referred to as one of Africa's most "challenging and charismatic music performers".[2] AllMusic described him as a "musical and sociopolitical voice" of international significance.[3]

Apparently, this guy married 27 wives in one day as a way to give them a home?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2021, 05:17:44 PM
Then maybe he belongs in the Marriage HOF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 23, 2021, 06:20:27 PM
Here's what is said on Wiki.

Fela Anikulapo Kuti (born Olufela Olusegun Oludotun Ransome-Kuti; 15 October 1938 – 2 August 1997) was a Nigerian multi-instrumentalist, bandleader, composer, political activist, and Pan-Africanist. He is regarded as the pioneer of Afrobeat, an African music genre that combines traditional Yoruba and Afro-Cuban music with funk and jazz.[1] At the height of his popularity, he was referred to as one of Africa's most "challenging and charismatic music performers".[2] AllMusic described him as a "musical and sociopolitical voice" of international significance.[3]

Apparently, this guy married 27 wives in one day as a way to give them a home?

 :lol  Yeah right.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2021, 06:45:47 PM
Lord does a cover of Judas Be My Guide on their new Uncovers Vol. 1 album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9AIQnFmr0

Shows what a great and underrated song it is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 23, 2021, 06:56:22 PM
Lord does a cover of Judas Be My Guide on their new Uncovers Vol. 1 album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9AIQnFmr0

Shows what a great and underrated song it is.

Purchased a digital copy of the album yesterday.  First thing I did was listen to this song.  Cracking rendition.  Great band, underrated song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2021, 07:30:48 PM
I knew you'd be all over that!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 23, 2021, 08:04:59 PM
I knew you'd be all over that!

Haha.  This is one song from the collection I hadn't heard or even knew they did.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on April 23, 2021, 09:55:23 PM
Then maybe he belongs in the Marriage HOF.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on April 24, 2021, 09:48:05 AM
Lord does a cover of Judas Be My Guide on their new Uncovers Vol. 1 album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9AIQnFmr0

Shows what a great and underrated song it is.

Purchased a digital copy of the album yesterday.  First thing I did was listen to this song.  Cracking rendition.  Great band, underrated song.

Amazing song (and a great cover!), immediately one of my favorites off FOTD since the album came out (maybe Be Quick and this one are my faves). A great live redition by Chidren of The Dammed - a brazilian Maiden cover band (at 23:28)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmSz7z4gB2g
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 10, 2021, 05:09:45 PM
For those interested in Iron Maiden's Beer branding endeavors, they have partnered exclusive to the US (brewed and sold) with BrewDog to create Hellcat which is India Pale Ale lager. Coming soon in the Fall.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-hellcat-lager-fall-2021/

(https://townsquare.media/site/295/files/2021/05/MaidenHellcat.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2021, 05:25:53 PM
If I see it at the liquor store that sells Trooper beer I'll try it out
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 10, 2021, 05:28:08 PM
Guess they think we’d rather have the beer than the new album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 11, 2021, 02:29:29 PM
There's no Maiden song called Hellcat. Wonder why they called it that?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 11, 2021, 03:03:10 PM
There's no Maiden song called Hellcat. Wonder why they called it that?

I was thinking the exact same thing.  Unless Uli Jon Roth was posing as Steve Harris at the kick-off meeting.  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 11, 2021, 03:44:25 PM
There's no Maiden song called Hellcat. Wonder why they called it that?

New single, maybe?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 12, 2021, 07:00:33 AM
Gonna toot my own horn for a minute.

This was (part of) my post from February 13th of this year (in this thread):

Quote

Look, I'm the minority on this point, but the RnRHoF is a political tool to be wielded by Jann Wenner and his lackeys (yes, I know he's gone now and the new guy has been more open to "pop success" over industry insider cred, but it's still concerned with identity politics dynamics as much as the music).   EVERY press release regarding the nominees lauded the "diversity" and "adventurousness" of the field.   In the past, the Rolling Stone darlings - read those with the right political bona fides - all got in first or second ballot (Pearl Jam, Radiohead, REM, RHCP, Green Day, Nirvana).   So right there, Rage is in (even though this is I think their third time on the ballot); helps that Tom Morello is popular and well-liked.   There is going to be at least one rap/minority in, that's a given.  Jay-Z.  Tina deserves it on her accomplishments anyway, she's legend (she's already in with Ike), but she's got the political cache as well (abuse survivor).  There is ample opportunity with those three to make beau coup political statements during the induction ceremony.   

That leaves two, three max spots.  One of those is the Foo Fighters; I don't get it, personally, bt they are rock royalty.  Grohl does and says all the right things, paying appropriate homage to those that came before (McCartney, Rush), he was in one of the Halls' favorites (Nirvana), and he's an industry guy.  He's in.   I think Todd Rundgren is in as well; his production is enough to get him there, but he's got the cred to cover multiple bases as well.  That leaves one spot for Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan, The Go-gos, Carole King, and Iron Maiden.   I just don't see a metal band comprised of a bunch of white guys from England who sang "Bring Your Daughter... To The Slaughter" breaking through that.

So from that I called:
Rage Against The Machine
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Foo Fighters
Todd Rundgren

And one of: Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan, The Go-gos, Carole King

Four out of six, exact, and I'm giving myself a half a point a piece for the Go-Gos and Carole King.  Predictable as the friggin' sun rising in the west east whichever.   It's now down to "spots" - the "rap" spot, the "rock/metal" spot, the "70's wierdo" spot, the "legendary woman" spot, the "hipster" spot...  The only saving grace is there is at least a half a chance that Dave Grohl gets up there and says "WTF, there is NO business putting me in TWICE while Iron Maiden is selling popcorn out in the lobby."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 12, 2021, 07:03:57 AM
If Grohl has any integrity he’ll pimp for Maiden AND Priest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 12, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
The RRHOF is basically just an amusement to me at this point.

Todd Rundgren -- As a producer?  Maybe.  As a performer?  Does anyone know any song he did other than the idiotic earworm that is the "bang on the drum" song?

Foo Fighters -- Really don't know enough about them other than Dave Grohl and the one or two songs that were on the Guitar Hero/Rock Band video games.  I've probably heard a couple other songs but not known who they were.

Jay-Z -- Has he EVER done a rock & roll song?

Carole King -- Don't know much about her other than that she had an incredibly highly-regarded album of what I think are piano ballads.

The Go-Go's -- Really?  Seriously?  A monster debut and a proverbial "year at the top;" a relatively poorly-regarded follow up (albeit with one hit single); a desperate third attempt to hang onto fame; followed by the inevitable break-up and an early 2000s reunion album that no one bought.  And that's enough to get into the RRHOF?  LOL

Tina Turner -- Obviously not my cup of tea (the "wailing woman" vocal style wants me to take a baseball bat to whatever device is reproducing it), and I don't know anything about her as a solo artist beyond that one album that was really big on MTV in the mid-80s.


The only saving grace here is that Randy Rhaods is getting the "Musical Excellence Award" (whatever that is).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:20 AM
I dont care, IM are better than the HOF as I see it.  They don't need it and I'm fairly certain they dgaf.  Not sure why I should care. The whole thing is a joke.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 12, 2021, 10:31:14 AM
There's no Maiden song called Hellcat. Wonder why they called it that?

I was thinking the exact same thing.  Unless Uli Jon Roth was posing as Steve Harris at the kick-off meeting.  ;)
Since this was a Bruce thing, rather than a whole band thing, the Grumman fighter is what came to my mind. It's fairly esoteric, but at least it does fit in with Bruce's interests. It also represented part of a US-Briton cooperation as one of the things we gave them in lend lease. Just guessing, but from what we know about Bruce it makes as much sense as anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F6F_Hellcat

Also, does anybody actually think Trooper is good? I never found it particularly drinkable. Insofar as rock band vanity beers go, I'd rank it pretty near the bottom. (Ironically, recovering alcoholic Dave Mustain may top the list.) Moreover, I'd have liked to see him push something other than an IPA. I'm sure that there's at least one non-British style of beer the man can drink.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
I like Trooper beer.  It's fairly basic but its good. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2021, 11:09:00 AM
I love Troopers!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 12, 2021, 12:24:22 PM
I like Trooper beer.  It's fairly basic but its good.
I can drink one and not be offended. It's not terrible. A second one is where it really starts to show its weakness, though. That's why I referred to it as not particularly drinkable. For me it's mostly just a novelty.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2021, 12:47:01 PM
I like Trooper beer.  It's fairly basic but its good.
I can drink one and not be offended. It's not terrible. A second one is where it really starts to show its weakness, though. That's why I referred to it as not particularly drinkable. For me it's mostly just a novelty.

I'm not sure I ever had more than 1 in a sitting either now that I think of it, but I think it's because I consider it a novelty already and not due to taste so in a 4 pack, I'll spread the love out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 12, 2021, 12:50:29 PM
It doesn't suck but there's nothing great about it, either. It's fine. I enjoy the novelty of it every once in a while but have never fancied a second.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 12, 2021, 01:04:08 PM
I like Trooper beer.  It's fairly basic but its good.
I can drink one and not be offended. It's not terrible. A second one is where it really starts to show its weakness, though. That's why I referred to it as not particularly drinkable. For me it's mostly just a novelty.

I'm not sure I ever had more than 1 in a sitting either now that I think of it, but I think it's because I consider it a novelty already and not due to taste so in a 4 pack, I'll spread the love out.
That makes perfect sense, but I've never thought enough of it to treat it that way, either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 12, 2021, 01:18:53 PM
Also, does anybody actually think Trooper is good?

I bought four bottles of Trooper several years ago at a BevMo.  I gave one to a friend and drank the other three.  I recall liking it quite a bit, but I don't buy a ton of beer except when I go to concerts or out to eat, so I haven't bought it again.


Moreover, I'd have liked to see him push something other than an IPA. I'm sure that there's at least one non-British style of beer the man can drink.

Are you referring to Mustaine or Dickinson?  I don't recall the beer I had being an IPA (if it was, it was the first IPA I've ever liked), and there are several varieties of "Trooper" branded beer that isn't IPA.

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/11069486_10204169416416201_8129554662962767666_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=174925&_nc_ohc=J7Zc0r-aAdkAX9eLDI7&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=a347468033e24351a50be38cd21af320&oe=60C3A45A)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 12, 2021, 02:32:47 PM
Also, does anybody actually think Trooper is good?

I bought four bottles of Trooper several years ago at a BevMo.  I gave one to a friend and drank the other three.  I recall liking it quite a bit, but I don't buy a ton of beer except when I go to concerts or out to eat, so I haven't bought it again.


Moreover, I'd have liked to see him push something other than an IPA. I'm sure that there's at least one non-British style of beer the man can drink.

Are you referring to Mustaine or Dickinson?  I don't recall the beer I had being an IPA (if it was, it was the first IPA I've ever liked), and there are several varieties of "Trooper" branded beer that isn't IPA.

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/11069486_10204169416416201_8129554662962767666_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=174925&_nc_ohc=J7Zc0r-aAdkAX9eLDI7&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=a347468033e24351a50be38cd21af320&oe=60C3A45A)
I was referring to Bruce. Mustaine's is a Beligan, I believe (and excellent). I know Maiden and Robinson have several different varieties out, but down here I've only ever seen Trooper. (Have any of the other Maiden beers made it stateside?) I was mostly just lamenting that he wouldn't do something a little more different for us yanks from Trooper, which is still a very hoppy ale, IIRC.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2021, 02:34:24 PM
I've seen Sun and Steel here, tried it once and wasn't a fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 12, 2021, 03:42:48 PM
I've seen Sun and Steel here, tried it once and wasn't a fan.
I'll be damned. So they actually will make a lager. I wouldn't mind trying that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2021, 03:59:19 PM
Isn't the Sun And Steel a kind of sake infused thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 12, 2021, 11:33:41 PM
Also, does anybody actually think Trooper is good?

I bought four bottles of Trooper several years ago at a BevMo.  I gave one to a friend and drank the other three.  I recall liking it quite a bit, but I don't buy a ton of beer except when I go to concerts or out to eat, so I haven't bought it again.


Moreover, I'd have liked to see him push something other than an IPA. I'm sure that there's at least one non-British style of beer the man can drink.

Are you referring to Mustaine or Dickinson?  I don't recall the beer I had being an IPA (if it was, it was the first IPA I've ever liked), and there are several varieties of "Trooper" branded beer that isn't IPA.

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/11069486_10204169416416201_8129554662962767666_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=174925&_nc_ohc=J7Zc0r-aAdkAX9eLDI7&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=a347468033e24351a50be38cd21af320&oe=60C3A45A)
I was referring to Bruce. Mustaine's is a Beligan, I believe (and excellent). I know Maiden and Robinson have several different varieties out, but down here I've only ever seen Trooper. (Have any of the other Maiden beers made it stateside?) I was mostly just lamenting that he wouldn't do something a little more different for us yanks from Trooper, which is still a very hoppy ale, IIRC.

It's nowhere near as hoppy as you remember. It's just a classic British ale, chestnutty, biscuity, slight sweetness. The hopping is virtually unnoticeable compared to your average US IPA.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on May 13, 2021, 06:36:44 AM
Maiden didn't make it in the HoF, but the one hit-wonder pop band The Go-Go's did?
WTF? Are those people in HOF normal?

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 13, 2021, 06:48:48 AM
Maiden didn't make it in the HoF, but the one hit-wonder pop band The Go-Go's did?
WTF? Are those people in HOF normal?

It's purely based on popularity and "it" factor. There is no logic or reason behind it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2021, 06:57:53 AM
I've seen Sun and Steel here, tried it once and wasn't a fan.
I'll be damned. So they actually will make a lager. I wouldn't mind trying that.

I would too; that sounds good.

Isn't the Sun And Steel a kind of sake infused thing.

Wait, no, no it doesn't.  I'll pass.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2021, 07:06:16 AM
Maiden didn't make it in the HoF, but the one hit-wonder pop band The Go-Go's did?
WTF? Are those people in HOF normal?

It's purely based on popularity and "it" factor. There is no logic or reason behind it.

Well, I've written enough about this; there's a political factor as well.  The Go-Go's are in, but Squeeze aren't?  Hmmmmm...  (Though the Hall website said this about the Go-Go's:  "Considered the most successful all-woman rock band of all time..." so I guess that explains it.  Ann Wilson just punched out her sister and kicked her dog across the floor, but if the Hall says it, it must be true!  :) )

Oh, and from the website:
"Factors such as an artist’s musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique are taken into consideration."

And yet, no Ronnie Dio (archtype of a heavy metal singer), no Robert Fripp (started his own genre for fuck's sake, and innovated his instrument), no Phil Collins (find me someone that doesn't know that drum fill), no Iron Maiden (who toured stadiums 40 years into their career with NO new music).     Sounds very much like "we're from the government, and we're here to help!" to me!  :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 13, 2021, 07:13:13 AM
Why even do a fan vote when only one of the artists in the top five makes the cut? The RnRHoF is a joke and the sooner everyone stops giving a shit about it the better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 13, 2021, 07:14:34 AM
The RRHOF is basically just an amusement to me at this point.

Todd Rundgren -- As a producer?  Maybe.  As a performer?  Does anyone know any song he did other than the idiotic earworm that is the "bang on the drum" song?

Foo Fighters -- Really don't know enough about them other than Dave Grohl and the one or two songs that were on the Guitar Hero/Rock Band video games.  I've probably heard a couple other songs but not known who they were.

Jay-Z -- Has he EVER done a rock & roll song?

Carole King -- Don't know much about her other than that she had an incredibly highly-regarded album of what I think are piano ballads.

The Go-Go's -- Really?  Seriously?  A monster debut and a proverbial "year at the top;" a relatively poorly-regarded follow up (albeit with one hit single); a desperate third attempt to hang onto fame; followed by the inevitable break-up and an early 2000s reunion album that no one bought.  And that's enough to get into the RRHOF?  LOL

Tina Turner -- Obviously not my cup of tea (the "wailing woman" vocal style wants me to take a baseball bat to whatever device is reproducing it), and I don't know anything about her as a solo artist beyond that one album that was really big on MTV in the mid-80s.


The only saving grace here is that Randy Rhaods is getting the "Musical Excellence Award" (whatever that is).
Definitely not worth getting worked up over anymore.  It's a total sham.  But...

Todd Rundgren - The only song I know from him is "Hello, It's Me".  Has huge cred among musicians and music snobs.  Definitely not my cup of tea but knew he'd be voted in.

Foo Fighters - No brainer.  Definitely didn't need to go in 1st vote, though.  But, they'll sell a ton of tix for the Hall's show.  I can't believe they didn't vote RAtM in with them.  Guaranteed sellout show.

Jay-Z - When does his rock record come out?!?  Bullshit.

Carole King - Won 4 Grammy's.  Has one of the best-selling albums of all-time.  Already in the RaRHoF (1990 - songwriting achievements).  Once again, not really rock.  But, whatever.  There was no way she didn't get picked.

The Go-Go's - Only all-girl band EVER to have a #1 album where the members wrote all the songs and played all the instruments.  If you're not gonna have The Runaways or Devo, they're the next best thing.  Truthfully, I have no problem with this.

Tina Turner - Had HUGE success in the 80's.  Won a ton of Grammy's, including "Best Female ROCK Vocal Performance" in '88.  More pop than rock.  But, more rock than Whitney Houston or Jay-Z.  Didn't need to happen.  Already in with Ike.  Could've gone to Pat Benatar.

All in all, another "meh" showing from the Hall.  Next year, they'll probably put Priest back on the ballot and we get to complain all over again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2021, 07:29:07 AM
Well, I'm not getting "worked up", but it's fun to debate and discuss.  To me it's interesting how (and why) certain artists seem to have "traction" and certain artists don't.  It's also interesting to see how prevalent human nature is; apparently being a critic of a rebellious genre like rock and roll doesn't make you immune to the same sort of "us versus them" tribalism that rock is supposed to be standing up to.

Despite some number of obvious exceptions who very clearly prove the rule, we are, as humans, a species of joiners.   We need to be affirmed by our likes, our desires, and our opinions. That's embodied by things like the Hall, and that's almost endlessly fascinating to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2021, 07:41:54 AM
Isn't the Sun And Steel a kind of sake infused thing.

Quote
SUN AND STEEL is a hybrid beer because it’s made with two yeasts. A lager yeast for the initial fermentation followed by a saké yeast for a second fermentation. The result? A delicate, subtle fruit flavour infused into a pilsner style lager.

The result, not very good from my taste buds
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on May 13, 2021, 09:31:15 AM
Maiden didn't make it in the HoF, but the one hit-wonder pop band The Go-Go's did?

Jane Wiedlin helped save the future of the planet with the power of Rock music.



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 13, 2021, 11:16:50 AM
Maiden didn't make it in the HoF, but the one hit-wonder pop band The Go-Go's did?
WTF? Are those people in HOF normal?

This is the second time in the last week you've focused on how many "hits" a band has, and again, your premise is flawed.

First, I'm pretty sure Iron Maiden had precisely zero hits.

Second, The Go-Go's had at least three hits.

Third, we all know the RRHOF is a farce.

You didn't really think Maiden was getting in, did you?


Jane Wiedlin helped save the future of the planet with the power of Rock music.

Good point.  Fee Waybill is now the only one of The Three Most Important People in the World not in the RRHOF.


I think the biggest problem with the RRHOF is the name and the fact that it purports to be the arbiter of what is and isn't good in rock & roll.  There is a procedure in trademark law whereby one can seek to cancel a trademark registration if the name is misdescriptive of the goods or services offered.  Given the abundance of non-rock & roll artists in the RRHOF, I would love to see someone petition to cancel the RRHOF trademark registration.  If they had just called it "The Rolling Stone Museum of Popular Music," no one would be having a problem with it.  Of course, people might not care either, so....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2021, 11:58:29 AM
I think the biggest problem with the RRHOF is the name and the fact that it purports to be the arbiter of what is and isn't good in rock & roll.  There is a procedure in trademark law whereby one can seek to cancel a trademark registration if the name is misdescriptive of the goods or services offered.  Given the abundance of non-rock & roll artists in the RRHOF, I would love to see someone petition to cancel the RRHOF trademark registration.  If they had just called it "The Rolling Stone Museum of Popular Music," no one would be having a problem with it.  Of course, people might not care either, so....

I think you're on to something though.  It's that air of superior insight and knowledge that is what's galling (at least to me).   It's not as if this is SIMPLY about recognizing accomplishments.  We've got the Grammy's and what not for that.   It's the implication that Phil Collins or Robert Fripp or Iron Maiden aren't WORTHY. The qualitative.  At least if Maiden wasn't in the "Museum" you could pass it as "well we don't have room for EVERYTHING!".  This isn't that.   This purports to tell us that The Go-gos, The Red Hot Chili Peppers Radiohead and the Foo Fighters are MORE WORTHY than Iron Maiden (this because of the timing).    And if you want to extend this, that "Rod Evans" and "Donna Godchaux" are MORE WORTHY than "Ronnie James Dio".

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2021, 12:01:10 PM
Hey now, Chili Peppers may be more worthy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on May 13, 2021, 12:50:43 PM
Even when a band does get into the damn thing they are picky about who actually gets inducted. I get that not EVERY member of a band should get it especially bands with a revolving door of lineup changes but man there are some glaring omissions. So it's a lose/lose
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 13, 2021, 01:34:29 PM
The main question is why is everyone paying so much bloody attention to it if they don't rate the Hall of Fame as any value?  They are just playing in the Hall's hands which is feeding them attention.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
The main question is why is everyone paying so much bloody attention to it if they don't rate the Hall of Fame as any value?  They are just playing in the Hall's hands which is feeding them attention.

And I'm starting to wonder if this is exactly why the HOF is purposely controversial.  I feel like I personally want to stop talking about it completely.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2021, 03:03:54 PM
The main question is why is everyone paying so much bloody attention to it if they don't rate the Hall of Fame as any value?  They are just playing in the Hall's hands which is feeding them attention.


Well, I sort of DO think it has value; I think some of that "they don't matter" is from those that aren't in the 'in crowd'. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on May 13, 2021, 03:19:35 PM
It's idiotic that they were fourth on the list of nominated artists according to the number of fan votes and they didn't make it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 13, 2021, 03:23:29 PM
Fan votes are only counted as one vote in the Rock Hall of Fame.  Doesn't matter even if Maiden wins the fan vote if the majority of the so-called committee is not going to vote them in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on May 13, 2021, 03:28:20 PM
Fan votes are only counted as one vote in the Rock Hall of Fame.  Doesn't matter even if Maiden wins the fan vote if the majority of the so-called committee is not going to vote them in.

Then that's utter bullshit. So what's the purpose of people voting?

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 13, 2021, 03:33:59 PM
^^ In the Hall of Fame's mind, for community feeling and camaraderie?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 13, 2021, 03:34:21 PM
It's idiotic that they were fourth on the list of nominated artists according to the number of fan votes and they didn't make it.

I explained to you (in a different thread) how the "fan vote" works at least a month ago.


Fan votes are only counted as one vote in the Rock Hall of Fame.  Doesn't matter even if Maiden wins the fan vote if the majority of the so-called committee is not going to vote them in.

Then that's utter bullshit. So what's the purpose of people voting?

Now you're learning!   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2021, 03:40:54 PM
Fan votes are only counted as one vote in the Rock Hall of Fame.  Doesn't matter even if Maiden wins the fan vote if the majority of the so-called committee is not going to vote them in.

Then that's utter bullshit. So what's the purpose of people voting?

Drum up faux interest.  You didn't honestly think that Jann Wenner was going to relinquish any real power to the unwashed masses, did you? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 14, 2021, 08:35:03 AM
Even when a band does get into the damn thing they are picky about who actually gets inducted. I get that not EVERY member of a band should get it especially bands with a revolving door of lineup changes but man there are some glaring omissions. So it's a lose/lose
They're only picky when they want to be.  Bruce's E Street Band had almost every member of the band inducted, including Patty Scialfa and Nils Lofgren who joined more than 10 years after the fact.  The Grateful Dead got members inducted who never even played on a record.  Even with Metallica... Cliff, Jason and Robert (who had been appeared on one album that came out the year before their induction) were all inducted. 

Yet, with KISS, it's only the original 4.  Forget that Bruce Kulick and Eric Carr had longer tenures than Ace or Peter.  Then again, everything with KISS has to be a shit show.  It's a prerequisite. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 14, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
Even when a band does get into the damn thing they are picky about who actually gets inducted. I get that not EVERY member of a band should get it especially bands with a revolving door of lineup changes but man there are some glaring omissions. So it's a lose/lose
They're only picky when they want to be.  Bruce's E Street Band had almost every member of the band inducted, including Patty Scialfa and Nils Lofgren who joined more than 10 years after the fact.  The Grateful Dead got members inducted who never even played on a record.  Even with Metallica... Cliff, Jason and Robert (who had been appeared on one album that came out the year before their induction) were all inducted. 

Yet, with KISS, it's only the original 4.  Forget that Bruce Kulick and Eric Carr had longer tenures than Ace or Peter.  Then again, everything with KISS has to be a shit show.  It's a prerequisite.

Go you one better:  The E Street Band was induction ON THEIR OWN, despite never having released a stand alone record!   Vinnie "Mad Dog" Lopez is in though he was only around for the first album and was replaced by Max Weinberg not long after.  The Dead:  Donna Godchaux, Tom Constantin (who even Bill Kreutzmann didn't consider a "card-carrying member of the band"), and Robert Hunter, lyricist and who never (to my knowledge) actually performed with the band. 

You can add Reeves Gabrels, getting in with the Cure, despite only being a touring guitarist (but the Hall loves him because he played with Bowie), in, and yet Dio - probably one of the three greatest metal front men of all time, ever - not getting in with Sabbath.   Actually, of the three greatest metal frontmen ever - Dio, Halford and Dickinson - none are in.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: lonestar on May 14, 2021, 10:45:21 AM
I'm watching live vids of Aces High for totally unrelated reasons(a favorite band of mine did a cover and I wanted to compare something), and the one I chose was in India. Looked like 50k + people absolutely losing their shit to Maiden, and it struck me that they can do this in pretty much every country around the world. Very, very few bands arr capable of that type of mass appeal, and certainly none of the ones elected to the RRHoF this year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 14, 2021, 11:48:21 AM

Go you one better:  The E Street Band was induction ON THEIR OWN, despite never having released a stand alone record!   Vinnie "Mad Dog" Lopez is in though he was only around for the first album and was replaced by Max Weinberg not long after.  The Dead:  Donna Godchaux, Tom Constantin (who even Bill Kreutzmann didn't consider a "card-carrying member of the band"), and Robert Hunter, lyricist and who never (to my knowledge) actually performed with the band. 

You can add Reeves Gabrels, getting in with the Cure, despite only being a touring guitarist (but the Hall loves him because he played with Bowie), in, and yet Dio - probably one of the three greatest metal front men of all time, ever - not getting in with Sabbath.   Actually, of the three greatest metal frontmen ever - Dio, Halford and Dickinson - none are in.
Yeah, the E Street thing had me scratching my head from the beginning.  I didn't know if it was the Hall sucking Springsteen's d*ck or what.

As for Sabbath, I can't believe they left out Dio.  I know AC/DC with Brian Johnson and Sammy with VH probably sold way more records than Sabbath with RJD.  But, to completely overlook him.  As has been said, he's easily one of the greatest frontmen (and voices) ever!  I always wondered if that might've been Sharon's doing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2021, 12:39:27 PM
I'm watching live vids of Aces High for totally unrelated reasons(a favorite band of mine did a cover and I wanted to compare something), and the one I chose was in India. Looked like 50k + people absolutely losing their shit to Maiden, and it struck me that they can do this in pretty much every country around the world. Very, very few bands arr capable of that type of mass appeal, and certainly none of the ones elected to the RRHoF this year.

I'm assuming you watched the Flight 666 version, which is fantastic. I love that live video.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: lonestar on May 14, 2021, 01:05:24 PM
I'm watching live vids of Aces High for totally unrelated reasons(a favorite band of mine did a cover and I wanted to compare something), and the one I chose was in India. Looked like 50k + people absolutely losing their shit to Maiden, and it struck me that they can do this in pretty much every country around the world. Very, very few bands arr capable of that type of mass appeal, and certainly none of the ones elected to the RRHoF this year.

I'm assuming you watched the Flight 666 version, which is fantastic. I love that live video.

Yup... Watching things like that, Live at Luna Park, an Rush in Rio make me realize how weak af US fans are for the most part :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 14, 2021, 01:10:53 PM

Go you one better:  The E Street Band was induction ON THEIR OWN, despite never having released a stand alone record!   Vinnie "Mad Dog" Lopez is in though he was only around for the first album and was replaced by Max Weinberg not long after.  The Dead:  Donna Godchaux, Tom Constantin (who even Bill Kreutzmann didn't consider a "card-carrying member of the band"), and Robert Hunter, lyricist and who never (to my knowledge) actually performed with the band. 

You can add Reeves Gabrels, getting in with the Cure, despite only being a touring guitarist (but the Hall loves him because he played with Bowie), in, and yet Dio - probably one of the three greatest metal front men of all time, ever - not getting in with Sabbath.   Actually, of the three greatest metal frontmen ever - Dio, Halford and Dickinson - none are in.
Yeah, the E Street thing had me scratching my head from the beginning.  I didn't know if it was the Hall sucking Springsteen's d*ck or what.

As for Sabbath, I can't believe they left out Dio.  I know AC/DC with Brian Johnson and Sammy with VH probably sold way more records than Sabbath with RJD.  But, to completely overlook him.  As has been said, he's easily one of the greatest frontmen (and voices) ever!  I always wondered if that might've been Sharon's doing.

Jon Landau was (maybe still is) the head of the Hall Of Fame nominating committee.  He was a former rock critic who ditched that to BE SPRINGSTEEN'S MANAGER.   He's actually IN the Hall of Fame for his "origination" of rock criticism and his record management and production achievements.   Further Dave "Kiss will get in over my dead body" Marsh, a frequent and vocal member of the original nominating committee has written soemthing like five books on Springsteen.   Add in the politics (Little Steven and the Sun City stuff he did back in the 80's/90's) and yeah.... they were servicing Bruce's unit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2021, 12:00:45 PM
Took this picture 29 years ago today....

(https://i.imgur.com/5tmTx4c.jpg)


Here's the ticket..

(https://i.imgur.com/t4DsWG0.jpg)

And the shirt..

(https://i.imgur.com/HhyZCN2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2021, 12:05:51 PM
$25 for those two bands! I love how you still have the ticket stub
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2021, 12:17:11 PM
$25 for those two bands! I love how you still have the ticket stub

I kept all of my stubs.



World Slavery Tour!!
(https://i.imgur.com/oWcv38x.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2021, 12:24:58 PM
I keep all my stubs too if possible, sucks you don't normally get them anymore though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 08, 2021, 12:36:13 PM
Out of the 350 concerts I've seen, I'm missing maybe 25 stubs.   I have all of them, and I'd have mounted them already if I could stop them from fading in the light.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 08, 2021, 01:31:46 PM
$25 for those two bands! I love how you still have the ticket stub

I kept all of my stubs.



World Slavery Tour!!
(https://i.imgur.com/oWcv38x.jpg)
Oh that's all kinds of awesome!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2021, 01:39:51 PM
I love seeing the prices too.  It's amazing how much the costs of a ticket have changed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2021, 01:43:20 PM
On the same night that Iron Maiden played the Providence Civic Center on June 2, 1985, Madonna played the Worcester Centrum right up the street. Pretty sure that was the show Kingshmegland decided to go to.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2021, 01:44:23 PM
On the same night that Iron Maiden played the Providence Civic Center on June 2, 1985, Madonna played the Worcester Centrum right up the street. Pretty sure that was the show Kingshmegland decided to go to.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 29, 2021, 01:07:28 PM
https://www.igloocoolers.com/products/iron-maiden-eddies-cooler?utm_campaign=062921_Iron-Maiden-Launch%20%28WHpkuY%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=tier-01_last-30-days&_kx=8Sj7C6T4YbQY9JWORZ5tGai1OCy_PfCo7RlmRQgFzyk%3D.MQZLq3

Somewhere, Gene Simmons is saying, "hey...why didn't I think of this?!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2021, 01:07:58 PM
Just stumbled upon this on reddit and this is very interesting regarding the new album...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/oa9g0m/iron_maiden_album_17_viral_marketing_belshazzars/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/oa9g0m/iron_maiden_album_17_viral_marketing_belshazzars/)

If this is legit, there may be an announcement on July 15th
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2021, 01:10:42 PM
I can't open that Marc, but I saw this last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL7sgn9mqYE

Something is coming..




Also..

https://ironmaidenbr.com/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
I can't open that Marc, but I saw this last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL7sgn9mqYE

Something is coming..




Also..

https://ironmaidenbr.com/

It's too much effort to copy and paste the text and all the pictures, but it relates to what you shared.  Basically, they may have been dropping clues to the new album including the shirt Bruce is wearing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on June 29, 2021, 05:06:38 PM
The Daily Doug did a reaction to live Rio version of Sign of the Cross, and I forgot how long the instrumental break is, possibly their longest song with the least amount of vocals. Kind of odd that that was the first track on the first album with a new singer at the time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 29, 2021, 05:49:19 PM
The Daily Doug did a reaction to live Rio version of Sign of the Cross, and I forgot how long the instrumental break is, possibly their longest song with the least amount of vocals. Kind of odd that that was the first track on the first album with a new singer at the time.

Yeah, that was almost a PERFECT "last song on a Maiden album" example, but they placed it right at the beginning, even though it has a lot more impact that The Unbeliever...go figure!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2021, 05:55:20 PM
The Daily Doug did a reaction to live Rio version of Sign of the Cross, and I forgot how long the instrumental break is, possibly their longest song with the least amount of vocals. Kind of odd that that was the first track on the first album with a new singer at the time.

Yeah, that was almost a PERFECT "last song on a Maiden album" example, but they placed it right at the beginning, even though it has a lot more impact that The Unbeliever...go figure!

Probably because they knew if it was at the end of the album, it wouldn't get as many listens as it deserved.  It's a top Blaze song and while I agree it's placement normally should be at the end, or at least closer to the end than the first song, I do wonder if the band felt it needed to be up front just because of how good it is and how questionable the rest of the blaze songs are.  (I do really enjoy the X factor personally, but I know many don't)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2021, 06:09:47 PM
I actually think SOTC and The Unbeliever are perfectly placed on TXF. The Unbeliever is a great album closer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 29, 2021, 07:45:29 PM
It's a top Blaze song and while I agree it's placement normally should be at the end, or at least closer to the end than the first song

It's a top Iron Maiden song, period.

And I agree with Tim, actually. I love The Unbeliever as a closer. Really brings the whole experience that is The X Factor to a cathartic end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2021, 11:05:35 PM
Both amazing songs, from an amazing album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2021, 11:06:17 PM
I can't open that Marc, but I saw this last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL7sgn9mqYE

Something is coming..




Also..

https://ironmaidenbr.com/

It's too much effort to copy and paste the text and all the pictures, but it relates to what you shared.  Basically, they may have been dropping clues to the new album including the shirt Bruce is wearing.

Oohhh, good shit all round with these hints.  New album let's go!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on June 30, 2021, 12:13:52 AM
Wow. Yes, that's looking well exciting!

(If it's another leg of tour dates or a live album I'm gonna be like  :( )
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 30, 2021, 12:57:28 AM
I found the way Frank Turner unzips his hoodie while being asked about Maiden to be rather funny.

Writing on the Wall?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 30, 2021, 04:39:58 AM
Wow. Yes, that's looking well exciting!

(If it's another leg of tour dates or a live album I'm gonna be like  :( )

No way it's a live album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 30, 2021, 05:15:58 AM
Writing on the Wall?

I remember someone noticing on a poster "WOTW" with the letters being interpeted at being an acronym for the new album title, with Writing on the Wall being one of the possible and reasonable explanations for WOTW, along with War of the Worlds, Whispers of the Wind, When Owls Try Waffles.....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 30, 2021, 05:35:03 AM
Why Other Tour, Why????
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 30, 2021, 05:47:03 AM
Why Other Tour, Why????

Why separate knob, why?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 30, 2021, 06:03:09 AM
Why Other Tour, Why????

Why separate knob, why?

 :rollin Because they love $.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 30, 2021, 09:31:34 AM
I'd like to ask Rodrigo if there is truth in any of this, given that he already had an album-related interview scheduled.  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 30, 2021, 09:45:11 AM
If the new album is named Writing on the Wall, I think that suggests a far more important point, doesn't it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 30, 2021, 09:57:12 AM
If the new album is named Writing on the Wall, I think that suggests a far more important point, doesn't it?

Just like "The Final Frontier" suggested, uh?  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 30, 2021, 10:01:29 AM
If the new album is named Writing on the Wall, I think that suggests a far more important point, doesn't it?

Just like "The Final Frontier" suggested, uh?  :D
Fair enough.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2021, 11:23:50 AM
If the new album is named Writing on the Wall, I think that suggests a far more important point, doesn't it?

Just like "The Final Frontier" suggested, uh?  :D
Fair enough.  :lol

True, but even so, there's no doubt the writing is on the wall that the end is near. I hope it's not the last, but would not be surprised if it turns out so. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2021, 11:44:29 AM
Nicko is what, 69?  He'll be 70+ by the time of the next main album tour.  He can't propel a metal band like Maiden forever. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2021, 11:53:17 AM
Yeah he just turned 69. His performance on the Legacy tour was incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on June 30, 2021, 11:55:38 AM
Nicko is what, 69?  He'll be 70+ by the time of the next main album tour.  He can't propel a metal band like Maiden forever.
If anybody can my money's on Nicko.

My hunch is that they want to go out on their own terms, and that'll include a proper farewell tour. They need to plan ahead for that. It's not the sort of thing you can just "get to some day" because you risk running out of time. And Covid likely hammered that point home. I'd actually be kind of surprised if this didn't turn out to be the end of the road. They're all filthy stinking rich, and healthy to boot. This isn't UFO we're talking about. They can spend the rest of their days doing anything they want. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 30, 2021, 12:05:36 PM
If they tour again, this will be my 13th time seeing them live with the first one in 1981 when I was 17.  Imagine my first time seeing them and my last time seeing them being 40 years apart?  :eek
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2021, 12:09:55 PM
It will be my 16th time. The first was 1983 when I was 14.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2021, 12:10:50 PM
I mean, given their current pace of completing studio albums, I've kind of been assuming there's a high chance of this being the last one. The ~5 years that we could expect it to take them to come up with another is a long time at their ages.

But 17 albums in 41 years, most of them excellent, would be a truly great run. About as much as anyone could ask for.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Nicko is what, 69?  He'll be 70+ by the time of the next main album tour.  He can't propel a metal band like Maiden forever.
If anybody can my money's on Nicko.

My hunch is that they want to go out on their own terms, and that'll include a proper farewell tour. They need to plan ahead for that. It's not the sort of thing you can just "get to some day" because you risk running out of time. And Covid likely hammered that point home. I'd actually be kind of surprised if this didn't turn out to be the end of the road. They're all filthy stinking rich, and healthy to boot. This isn't UFO we're talking about. They can spend the rest of their days doing anything they want.

But they, mostly Steve and Bruce, do have egos.  However, both have other interests as well so I basically agree with you other than the idea that they have everything they need being a reason to stop.  If that were the case, they could have all checked out a long time ago.  I do think they enjoy doing this and maybe even still have a chip on their shoulder (HOF snub might be motivation to keep proving the doubters wrong).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2021, 12:32:52 PM
I do think they enjoy doing this and maybe even still have a chip on their shoulder (HOF snub might be motivation to keep proving the doubters wrong).

The Tom Bradys of metal!! :metal :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2021, 01:08:30 PM
More hints from Nicko's Rock N Roll Ribs social media:

(https://i.redd.it/y954uxebbf871.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 30, 2021, 01:28:47 PM
If they tour again, this will be my 13th time seeing them live with the first one in 1981 when I was 17.  Imagine my first time seeing them and my last time seeing them being 40 years apart?  :eek

I'm with you on that.   1982, and I'll absolutely be there.  Maiden is the one band I go see just because at this point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 30, 2021, 01:31:18 PM
I'd like to ask Rodrigo if there is truth in any of this, given that he already had an album-related interview scheduled.  ;)

 It was nothing absolutely set in stone, but we got a verbal agreement that when the new album came out, we would have a chance to interview Steve. This is the worst kept secret in the business, it's already recorded, and the original plan was to release it in Feb 2021, but for obvious reasons they postponed it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 30, 2021, 02:50:03 PM
This is getting very exciting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 30, 2021, 03:01:32 PM
More hints from Nicko's Rock N Roll Ribs social media:

(https://i.redd.it/y954uxebbf871.jpg)

 Sorry, my eyesight is not the same anymore...what do the hints allude to?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2021, 03:04:56 PM
Sorry, my eyesight is not the same anymore...what do the hints allude to?

It's the same hints from this reddit post I shared yesterday so more evidence to support the theory of the new album announcement coming July 15th:

Just stumbled upon this on reddit and this is very interesting regarding the new album...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/oa9g0m/iron_maiden_album_17_viral_marketing_belshazzars/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/oa9g0m/iron_maiden_album_17_viral_marketing_belshazzars/)

If this is legit, there may be an announcement on July 15th

Basically the Belshazzar's Feast tshirt and Writing On The Wall
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 01, 2021, 01:23:27 AM
I'd like to ask Rodrigo if there is truth in any of this, given that he already had an album-related interview scheduled.  ;)

 It was nothing absolutely set in stone, but we got a verbal agreement that when the new album came out, we would have a chance to interview Steve. This is the worst kept secret in the business, it's already recorded, and the original plan was to release it in Feb 2021, but for obvious reasons they postponed it.
Thanks for the confirmation. Yeah, we kind of knew it, but it's still good to remind ourselves that this is really happening now.  :tup

If the new album is named Writing on the Wall, I think that suggests a far more important point, doesn't it?

Just like "The Final Frontier" suggested, uh?  :D
This.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 01, 2021, 02:12:34 AM
Sorry, my eyesight is not the same anymore...what do the hints allude to?

It's the same hints from this reddit post I shared yesterday so more evidence to support the theory of the new album announcement coming July 15th:

Just stumbled upon this on reddit and this is very interesting regarding the new album...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/oa9g0m/iron_maiden_album_17_viral_marketing_belshazzars/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/oa9g0m/iron_maiden_album_17_viral_marketing_belshazzars/)

If this is legit, there may be an announcement on July 15th

Basically the Belshazzar's Feast tshirt and Writing On The Wall

Wow. Following seemingly random accounts that have ties with Maiden's album titles is wickedly cool and clever!

And since we're at it, who the hell the reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg was?  ;D I mean, I remember all the clues and hints and the painting about Eddie, but did someone ever conclusively solved the riddle and realized who Benny Breeg was, and in turn who the reincarnation was?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on July 01, 2021, 09:27:56 AM
Revisiting the Maiden albums with Blaze and musically, there's a lot of interesting stuff going. Bailey's voice was a big turn off when I first heard him so I never really gave X-Factor and Virtual a chance. Still no big fan of his voice but I'm liking what I'm hearing. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 01, 2021, 09:37:30 AM
Revisiting the Maiden albums with Blaze and musically, there's a lot of interesting stuff going. Bailey's voice was a big turn off when I first heard him so I never really gave X-Factor and Virtual a chance. Still no big fan of his voice but I'm liking what I'm hearing.

He sounds terrible on the X-factor.  It's a shame because like you said, theres interesting music here. But the production is also terrible.  It's a difficult album to listen to, although I really like it musically.

Blaze sounds so much better on his solo albums.  I'm really enjoying his latest release, War Within Me, that came out a few months ago.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 01, 2021, 01:20:44 PM
Revisiting the Maiden albums with Blaze and musically, there's a lot of interesting stuff going. Bailey's voice was a big turn off when I first heard him so I never really gave X-Factor and Virtual a chance. Still no big fan of his voice but I'm liking what I'm hearing.

I say this frequently, but I really include those two albums as the beginning of the modern era of Iron Maiden songwriting. There's a clear continuity that runs from The X Factor to The Book of Souls in a way there really isn't running from No Prayer for the Dying to The X Factor. The return of Bruce and Adrian kicked that progression into high gear and added some new elements (you wouldn't have anything like Paschendale without Adrian or anything like Empire of the Clouds without Bruce) but they did not cause a sharp left turn in the band's style.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on July 01, 2021, 01:36:22 PM
(https://scontent.fmel12-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/209327629_4771354349542459_8510964074881421645_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=r2JK4wLQx9IAX-RJGzp&tn=pb9f_p61AXf3Ful8&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel12-1.fna&oh=274158b416ecd1c8b9c82991e6e322a5&oe=60E32129)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 01, 2021, 01:47:48 PM
Revisiting the Maiden albums with Blaze and musically, there's a lot of interesting stuff going. Bailey's voice was a big turn off when I first heard him so I never really gave X-Factor and Virtual a chance. Still no big fan of his voice but I'm liking what I'm hearing.

I say this frequently, but I really include those two albums as the beginning of the modern era of Iron Maiden songwriting. There's a clear continuity that runs from The X Factor to The Book of Souls in a way there really isn't running from No Prayer for the Dying to The X Factor. The return of Bruce and Adrian kicked that progression into high gear and added some new elements (you wouldn't have anything like Paschendale with Adrian or anything like Empire of the Clouds without Bruce) but they did not cause a sharp left turn in the band's style.

I've always felt this way too.

(https://scontent.fmel12-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/209327629_4771354349542459_8510964074881421645_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=r2JK4wLQx9IAX-RJGzp&tn=pb9f_p61AXf3Ful8&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel12-1.fna&oh=274158b416ecd1c8b9c82991e6e322a5&oe=60E32129)

Source for this?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 01, 2021, 02:59:00 PM
(https://scontent.fmel12-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/209327629_4771354349542459_8510964074881421645_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=r2JK4wLQx9IAX-RJGzp&tn=pb9f_p61AXf3Ful8&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel12-1.fna&oh=274158b416ecd1c8b9c82991e6e322a5&oe=60E32129)

That's gotta be fake, no?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 01, 2021, 03:21:49 PM
Of course it is, when it was the last time such major details leaked before the intended date of the announcement? we've been living in the internet (and therefore spoilers) era for a while now, if Maiden's promo machine never slipped once in the last 20 years, they're not gonna slip now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on July 01, 2021, 03:46:20 PM
That image is a photoshop of Rembrandt's 1635 painting Belshazzar's Feast:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Belshazzar%E2%80%99s_feast%2C_by_Rembrandt.jpg/330px-Belshazzar%E2%80%99s_feast%2C_by_Rembrandt.jpg)

The scene is from the Book of Daniel.  The writing on the wall is a message from God, which Daniel interprets for Belshazzar, a Babylonian king.  The message is that God has numbered Belshazzar's days because he has been "weighed" and found wanting, and his kingdom would be given to the Medes and Persians.  Although Belshazzar exalted Daniel, he died that very night.  Belshazzar is historically known, but his biblical successor, Darius the Mede (who, according to the Book of Daniel, was king during the "Daniel in the lions' den" incident), is not.  Historians do not know exactly what happened to Belshazzar but typically assume he died during the invasion of the Persian Empire under Cyrus the Great.

Another painting of Belshazzar's feast, by John Martin, has a very Maiden-esque feel to it:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/John_Martin_-_Belshazzar%27s_Feast_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg/1280px-John_Martin_-_Belshazzar%27s_Feast_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2021, 04:18:01 PM
Lots of info here..

https://capnharris.wordpress.com/2021/06/28/album-log-for-the-forum/


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on July 01, 2021, 04:28:04 PM
Potential concept album?

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2021, 04:47:30 PM
Potential concept album?

At this age? Sure.

Seventh Grandson Of A Seventh Grandson.  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 01, 2021, 06:08:08 PM
Potential concept album?

At this age? Sure.

Seventh Grandson Of A Seventh Grandson.  :D

Fixed:

Seventh grandson of a seventh grandson
Seventh grandson of a seventh grandsoooooooooon
Seventh grandson of a seventh grandson
Seventh grandson of a seventh grandson
Seventh grandson of a seventh grandson
Seventh grandson of a seventh grandsoooooooooon
Seventh grandson of a seventh grandson
Seventh grandson of a seventh grandson
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2021, 06:26:55 PM
 :lol

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 01, 2021, 07:55:31 PM
Lots of info here..

https://capnharris.wordpress.com/2021/06/28/album-log-for-the-forum/

That was a great read.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 02, 2021, 12:07:39 AM
Very cool marketing!

Up the Irons  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on July 02, 2021, 01:42:09 AM
Heh! They've got Tim Burgess in on it, too. Brilliant :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 02, 2021, 02:31:01 AM
Cyrus the Great.
Sadly we will never hear it live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 02, 2021, 01:25:11 PM
I thought "The Final Frontier" was going to be their last album so I've given up trying to predict when they'll quit.


Obviously these guys are an automatic buy for me. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on July 02, 2021, 02:37:43 PM
Cyrus the Great.
Sadly we will never hear it live.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 03, 2021, 08:01:14 AM
Of course it is, when it was the last time such major details leaked before the intended date of the announcement? we've been living in the internet (and therefore spoilers) era for a while now, if Maiden's promo machine never slipped once in the last 20 years, they're not gonna slip now.
Wasn't the information regarding The Book of souls leaked (including the cover art), prompting the band to put out the official information on the next day? I remember thinking the artwork was fake and was actually surprised that they did release a cover with a fairly simple Eddie without any background.

That doesn't mean the cover art from this page isn't fake, because it definitely is. But I wouldn't be surprise to see any correct information come up in the following days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on July 03, 2021, 01:52:13 PM
In anticipation I spun their last three albums today while writing. Three very strong bodies of work that are enjoyable from beginning to end. And I'll even say that the last 3 stack up against any 3 album run in their discography.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 04, 2021, 06:24:14 AM
Personally I prefer this modern era of the band to their 80's and 90's output.  They've become more prog in their later years and it's kicked things up a notch or 5
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 04, 2021, 07:22:36 AM
Do you guys remember the rumour that Brave New World was going to be called Majesty of Gaia?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2021, 08:09:07 AM
Do you guys remember the rumour that Brave New World was going to be called Majesty of Gaia?

And then Dance of Death was supposed to be Twins of Fate  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 04, 2021, 08:27:41 AM
Personally I prefer this modern era of the band to their 80's and 90's output.  They've become more prog in their later years and it's kicked things up a notch or 5
Me too!  My Favorite Maiden albums are Brave New World through Final Frontier, then Book of Souls fell a little flat for me but still good.
I've been listening to Dance of Death all last week and I just love it every time. There are plenty of epic/prog moments all over that album.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2021, 08:43:23 AM
BTW, the only thing I "dislike" about the viral campaign is that the title of the new album is all but confirmed. With all the WOTW hints (Maiden's online accounts are having fun posting whatever words combinations have the initials WOTW, such a picture of Eddie with charred hands and him being warned to be careful when "working on the wires"), they basically spelled out the name of the new album so when it will be announced it will be basically a confirmation.

Or maybe the album name isn't Written on the Wall, but all this WOTW thing will make sense once we know the album title / details. But if they start writing WOTW on the posters for a tour, I guess it's a safe be that's the acronym of the album title.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 04, 2021, 09:13:13 AM
Personally I prefer this modern era of the band to their 80's and 90's output.  They've become more prog in their later years and it's kicked things up a notch or 5
In anticipation I spun their last three albums today while writing. Three very strong bodies of work that are enjoyable from beginning to end. And I'll even say that the last 3 stack up against any 3 album run in their discography.

I very much enjoy the reunion albums too, although I personally wouldn't go quite that far. In my book, the first 7-album run is one of the greatest in rock/metal history and very tough to beat. My favorite Maiden is probably Number of the Beast, although the sweetest spot in terms of wanting to go back and listen is probably with Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son.

I do rank the reunion albums higher than anything from No Prayer through VXI (with the possible exception of X Factor). My main issue with them, I guess, is that the "prog" element in many (not all) songs tends to show up with these recurring patterns of slow building intros and slightly excessive song lengths that could be reduced by trimming some of chorus repetitions  ;) Plus I get the whole idea of capturing the performances in a slightly more spontaneous fashion, but as a result they do occasionally sound a little sloppier than they need to be in a studio setting (and not in the youthful inexperience/enthusiasm/ardor kind of way that makes the DiAnno records so special  ;D). Just to go back to SiT/Seventh Son...those longer songs and those amazing instrumental/lead breaks sounded SO tight (in the best possible way!)

Anyway - you have to give it to Maiden: they are certainly still putting out high quality music. My favorite reunion record is Dance of Death, and Brave New World certainly holds a special place, as I remember the excitement when it came out. More recently, also thanks to the top songs thread, I have started appreciating Final Frontier much more - I didn't spend a whole lot of time with it at first, but I progressively found lots of interesting stuff going on in the songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 04, 2021, 09:15:18 AM
In anticipation I spun their last three albums today while writing. Three very strong bodies of work that are enjoyable from beginning to end. And I'll even say that the last 3 stack up against any 3 album run in their discography.

I think the run of the last three comes in second for me... to the DoD-TFF run!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2021, 09:56:29 AM
It's hard to even rank them all because the quality is so high, you'll just have to look at the details and personal prefernces.

BNW is the "new classic album", that sets the tone for the reunion.
DOD is fantastic, with some forgiveable lesser tracks more than redeemed by some utter masterpieces.
AMOLAD is great too, wasn't 100% convinced at first but it grew on me, it's actually solid from beginning to end and worth the playing in full thing.
TFF is ok but it felt like more of the same. "Same" however was great so no big deal.
TBOS is another great album, just like DOD maybe not every song is a masterpiece but those who are, oh boy, amazing killer stuff!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 04, 2021, 10:30:38 AM
Speaking of The Book of Souls...love If Eternity Should Fail...when the song kicks in after the intro...one great, great Maiden moment...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 04, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
It's hard to even rank them all because the quality is so high, you'll just have to look at the details and personal prefernces.

BNW is the "new classic album", that sets the tone for the reunion.
DOD is fantastic, with some forgiveable lesser tracks more than redeemed by some utter masterpieces.
AMOLAD is great too, wasn't 100% convinced at first but it grew on me, it's actually solid from beginning to end and worth the playing in full thing.
TFF is ok but it felt like more of the same. "Same" however was great so no big deal.
TBOS is another great album, just like DOD maybe not every song is a masterpiece but those who are, oh boy, amazing killer stuff!

I agree with all of these except that I rank TFF higher than all of them. To me it's the culmination and perfection of everything they'd been working on since The X Factor (TBoS is a combination of that with some attempts at different directions).

The choice between DoD and TBoS is ultimately decided on grounds that one of those albums has Paschendale and the other one doesn't.
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Post by: Architeuthis on July 04, 2021, 12:54:54 PM
It's hard to even rank them all because the quality is so high, you'll just have to look at the details and personal prefernces.

BNW is the "new classic album", that sets the tone for the reunion.
DOD is fantastic, with some forgiveable lesser tracks more than redeemed by some utter masterpieces.
AMOLAD is great too, wasn't 100% convinced at first but it grew on me, it's actually solid from beginning to end and worth the playing in full thing.
TFF is ok but it felt like more of the same. "Same" however was great so no big deal.
TBOS is another great album, just like DOD maybe not every song is a masterpiece but those who are, oh boy, amazing killer stuff!


The choice between DoD and TBoS is ultimately decided on grounds that one of those albums has Paschendale and the other one doesn't.
Absofreakinlutely!!!   :metal
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Post by: TAC on July 04, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
You could easily make the opinion that the 5 Reunion Era albums are as good as if not better than the 5 Classic Era albums (82-88).

I made a thread on it. Not sure if the poll is active or not..

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44551.105#lastPost

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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 04, 2021, 03:29:37 PM
Do you guys remember the rumour that Brave New World was going to be called Majesty of Gaia?

And then Dance of Death was supposed to be Twins of Fate  :D

That I had never heard! Where do people get these names anyway? Maybe they were working titles at some point?
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Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2021, 03:58:16 PM
I thought it was Twist of Fate.  Anyway that one was a really heavy rumor seemingly out of absolutely nothing.
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Post by: nick_z on July 04, 2021, 04:48:26 PM
You could easily make the opinion that the 5 Reunion Era albums are as good as if not better than the 5 Classic Era albums (82-88).

I made a thread on it. Not sure if the poll is active or not..

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44551.105#lastPost

That's certainly a respectable opinion, but one I would respectfully disagree with (see a few posts above)  :biggrin: Although, to Maiden's credit, I do go back to the reunion albums very often, and I thoroughly enjoy them for their intrinsic quality (i.e. not just because they are Iron Maiden's albums)
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Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2021, 09:51:09 PM
I'd go the classic 5, but really these days, I'd probably listen to more of the reunion 5, which is strange.
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Post by: jammindude on July 04, 2021, 09:54:31 PM
I'd go the classic 5, but really these days, I'd probably listen to more of the reunion 5, which is strange.

I totally get it. I’m the same way with Rush. Hemispheres, PeW, and MP are easily my top 3, but I almost never listen to them. I literally glutted on them from the age of 14-24. When I reach for Rush these days, I usually reach for something that I haven’t memorized and couldn’t recite in my head note for note.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 04, 2021, 10:56:13 PM
There is so much about discussions or debates like this that is affected by the person's life experiences, especially if those experience occurred during their formative years or an otherwise important period of their life.

I can't disagree with anyone at all for treasuring the 80s Maiden albums above the new stuff when that's what they listened to during those crucial years. During those same years of my life, I listened to all of their first 15 albums, but always gravitated toward the reunion stuff. So I have different sentimental attachments, but also Dance of Death is just as heavily played in my life as Piece of Mind (excepting The Trooper, which I have heard more than any other song on either album because every Maiden live album).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 05, 2021, 01:19:03 AM
The comparison between the two eras is difficult also depending on when you became a fan. I'm a Maiden fan since 1995, I've heard the classic songs a gazillion times, I don't even listen to them anymore - and yet, when they play them at concerts, I know them word for word. So it's hard for me to judge the old stuff I know in my sleep against new stuff that sounds fresh and exciting.

It's like with any other band really, of course Images and Words is a landmark DT album, but why should I listen to Metropolis for the 585455th time when in a few months there's newer and fresher music to enjoy?
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Post by: Zantera on July 05, 2021, 06:24:53 AM
It's just hard to compare because their classic album run created the legacy they now have and even if we grow tired of some songs due to them being overplayed over the years, I can't imagine a universe where you flip the albums (so have the post-reunion albums in the 80s) and the band would have become as big as they are. I think the reunion albums are great, but even though I'm sick of a song like Run to the Hills at this point, there's few songs on the last 5 albums that have that 'radio hit' power of a Run to the Hills or The Trooper or The Number of the Beast or Can I Play With Madness, and so on.

But it's weird like that when some songs become bigger than the band. For example I've thought of listening through the discography of some classic bands to get more familiar, and being able to say "I have heard those albums". But it would feel weird spinning Led Zeppelin IV for example, having heard Stairway to Heaven hundreds of times over the years - but you're still listening to the album for the first time, trying to have an honest neutral 'first spin' experience.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 05, 2021, 06:38:38 AM
Yup, very good points, I agree with you.

It's kinda like saying which show is better between Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.... love BCS all you want, which is indeed an awesome show, but without Breaking Bad BCS would hvve been just a random show about a sleazy laywer. BB was the foundation upon which BCS was built, same for Maiden - the classic era is the reason we have the reunion era to begin with.
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Post by: TAC on July 05, 2021, 07:34:07 AM

It's kinda like saying which show is better between Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul....

I'm going to have to take your word for that, brother. :lol
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Post by: devieira73 on July 05, 2021, 08:35:55 AM

It's kinda like saying which show is better between Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul....

I'm going to have to take your word for that, brother. :lol

Perfect analogy. Breaking Bad for sure, while Better Call Saul... is indeed still very good!
I know it wasn't MirrorMask original intention, but still... ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 05, 2021, 10:34:58 AM
It's kinda like saying which show is better between Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.... love BCS all you want, which is indeed an awesome show, but without Breaking Bad BCS would hvve been just a random show about a sleazy laywer. BB was the foundation upon which BCS was built, same for Maiden - the classic era is the reason we have the reunion era to begin with.

Well, I haven't seen either of these shows, but I have definitely experienced many situations where I like a sequel or spin-off better than the original work on which it's based, even situations where the spin-off definitely wouldn't exist without the success of the original.

To me, the conversations of "what material made the band successful" and "what's your favorite material" are just two completely separate conversations. Yes, I agree that without Run to the Hills and The Trooper, they might not have ever even made the reunion albums. But that doesn't mean I have to like those songs better. It doesn't have anything to do with whether I like those songs better. And I think it should go entirely without saying, here of all places, that the status of something as a radio hit or potential radio hit has nothing to do and should have nothing to do with how well I like it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on July 06, 2021, 03:51:19 PM
Sorry if this is something that gets discussed to death around here but, wouldn't it be cool if Blaze went on tour with Maiden and opened for them?  Finally heard Blaze's last one (late to the party again) and am very impressed. Very heavy and melodic. Seems like he could be a perfect candidate for opening band. Just a fan wish  :) 
(I understand that money considerations actually dictate these types of things -- so I was thinking rhetorically)

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Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2021, 04:23:27 PM
Sorry if this is something that gets discussed to death around here but, wouldn't it be cool if Blaze went on tour with Maiden and opened for them?  Finally heard Blaze's last one (late to the party again) and am very impressed. Very heavy and melodic. Seems like he could be a perfect candidate for opening band. Just a fan wish  :) 
(I understand that money considerations actually dictate these types of things -- so I was thinking rhetorically)

Considering we've seen Steve's children perform plenty of times opening for IM, Blaze opening would be a huge win IMO.  Would probably really help Blaze too.  We all know the shitty opener doesn't negatively impact IM and I got to think Blaze would be cheaper than Alice Cooper or Dream Theater (the better openers IM have brought along).

Also, just to add, his newest album War Within Me is really good like you say.  Highly recommend it. 
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Post by: wolfking on July 06, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
Yep, the Blaze album was a ripper.  Great return after the three before it I thought were ordinary.
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 06, 2021, 10:43:03 PM
I wasn't sure about the Infinite Entanglement at first, probably down to the more operatic style employed Blaze utilised but each one really grew on me. I'd say his weakest album is probably The King of Metal. Would love to him support Maiden.
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Post by: wolfking on July 06, 2021, 11:58:45 PM
I wasn't sure about the Infinite Entanglement at first, probably down to the more operatic style employed Blaze utilised but each one really grew on me. I'd say his weakest album is probably The King of Metal. Would love to him support Maiden.

The King of Metal was definitely a step down from Promise and Terror.  I really quite enjoyed it though.
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Post by: Architeuthis on July 07, 2021, 05:34:40 AM
As far as potential radio hits from the reunion era,  Rainmaker should be a staple for the airwaves. It's fairly short, with plenty of catchy melodic hooks.
The Wickerman, Final Frontier, and If Eternity Should Fail are also good contenders.
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Post by: Peter Mc on July 07, 2021, 01:01:42 PM
I came to Maiden during the Blaze era funnily enough.  I was at University and a metal fan but it was a time when metal was super uncool and I had begun to lapse in my appreciation of that stuff and start thinking it was embarrassing.  Maiden were on Top Of The Pops (a U.K. chart based tv show back in the day) and I watched them ready to scoff at how tragic and cringeworthy they were and they came on and played Man On The Edge.  I did chuckle at first seeing them so ridiculously old school, guitar players with their foot on the monitors etc.  Despite myself though, I kind of liked it and enjoyed how unashamedly trad metal they were.  Anyway, in those days, HMV stores had listening posts for some of the latest cds so I kept going back and listening to the X Factor until I eventually bought it and really liked it.  I then bought Best Of The Beast, when that came out, to sample their earlier stuff.  I knew a couple of songs, namely Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter, Holy Smoke and Can I Play With Madness but that was it.  I loved it and then worked my way back (I’ve never gone back pre-Bruce though).  I even really liked Virtual XI when it came out but now find that to be terrible.

Basically then I came in at the crossroads between classic 80’s Maiden and Reunion era.  My feeling is that those old songs feel more immediate, catchy legendary songs.  Not all of them but the shorter “hits” like 2 Minutes To Midnight, Run To The Hills, Aces High work better than their modern contemporaries.  I think The Wicker Man comes close but not quite. 

That being said I also think their newer albums have incredible epic more mature songs like Paschendale and the recent Empire Of The Clouds is right up there as one of their greatest ever achievements in my opinion, if not their greatest.

So, yes, they don’t quite have the absolute killer riffs and catchy songs of the 80’s and yes, maybe if you flipped their catalogue, these reunion albums coming first may not have made them as legendary as they are.  However these reunion albums have been so good in a different heavier more thoughtful way that has kept Maiden relevant and right at the top of the tree all these years on when pretty much every other trad metal band have fallen by the wayside.  People forget as well that Maiden were not in great shape when Bruce and Adrian came back, they were not in the big arenas and stadiums anymore.  The Brave New World album catapulted them back into that and that has continued with an unbroken run of excellent quality albums in the years that followed.  I think they have been remarkably consistent in both eras and the fact we can have a discussion as to which is better tells you just how good they still are.
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Post by: Polarbear on July 07, 2021, 01:09:47 PM
As far as potential radio hits from the reunion era,  Rainmaker should be a staple for the airwaves. It's fairly short, with plenty of catchy melodic hooks.
The Wickerman, Final Frontier, and If Eternity Should Fail are also good contenders.

A prominent rock radio station in my country, still has The Wickerman in heavy rotation! Rainmaker is also one of my favorite reunion era songs!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 07, 2021, 01:17:07 PM
You could easily make the opinion that the 5 Reunion Era albums are as good as if not better than the 5 Classic Era albums (82-88).

I made a thread on it. Not sure if the poll is active or not..

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44551.105#lastPost (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44551.105#lastPost)


Yeah, for me it's a close call, but I've grown to prefer the reunion era albums over the classic era. 


I got no use for anything they put out after 1988 and until the release of Brave New World
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on July 07, 2021, 01:41:03 PM
I've kinda come around a bit on Fear of the Dark. There's a lot of fun and interesting songs on it, a band trying a lot of different things and while it's not necessarily a good Iron Maiden album, I would say I like it as an album. Some great songs on it that don't get as much love as they deserve like Fear is the Key or Afraid to Shoot Strangers.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2021, 01:52:50 PM
I've kinda come around a bit on Fear of the Dark. There's a lot of fun and interesting songs on it, a band trying a lot of different things and while it's not necessarily a good Iron Maiden album, I would say I like it as an album. Some great songs on it that don't get as much love as they deserve like Fear is the Key or Afraid to Shoot Strangers.

Afraid to Shoot Strangers is a good one, I'm glad they brought that back a few tours ago.  But I have overall not come around to enjoying the album like you have.  I'm not sure I ever will.  Same with NPFTD.  The Blaze albums both have some really strong songs on them though.  If only they never wrote The Angel and the Gambler and I would look upon Virtual 11 much better.  That is one of the worst songs I've ever heard from any band and I'm sad to admit that as IM are my favorite band ever.
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Post by: TAC on July 07, 2021, 01:54:07 PM
Fear Of The Dark has tons of great songs on it!
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Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2021, 01:55:54 PM
Fear Of The Dark has tons of great songs on it!

 ::)



 :biggrin:
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Post by: Architeuthis on July 07, 2021, 02:13:11 PM
What if Iron Maiden decided to ditch Eddie for at least one album?  Give Eddie a vacation and let an imposter like Hugh Syme make a cover out of stock images.
Do you think the album would sell as good without Eddie, even if the music would be their best ever?  🙃🤘
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Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2021, 02:18:33 PM
What if Iron Maiden decided to ditch Eddie for at least one album?  Give Eddie a vacation and let an imposter like Hugh Syme make a cover out of stock images.
Do you think the album would sell as good without Eddie, even if the music would be their best ever?  🙃🤘

Similar to the DoD cover (minus Eddie)?  I don't know if it would impact sales as long as the music is good, but I think it may upset some fans.  Especially if it was a stock image type of cover. 
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Post by: Lupton on July 07, 2021, 02:22:53 PM
I'm sure the lack of Eddie would haunt the music like a powerful restless spirit. Making it sound instantly bad to any mortal ears, no matter the quality of the songs!
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Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2021, 02:50:10 PM
What if Iron Maiden decided to ditch Eddie for at least one album?  Give Eddie a vacation and let an imposter like Hugh Syme make a cover out of stock images.
Do you think the album would sell as good without Eddie, even if the music would be their best ever?  🙃🤘

Why?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 07, 2021, 02:55:37 PM
What if Iron Maiden decided to ditch Eddie for at least one album?  Give Eddie a vacation and let an imposter like Hugh Syme make a cover out of stock images.
Do you think the album would sell as good without Eddie, even if the music would be their best ever?  🙃🤘

Similar to the DoD cover (minus Eddie)?  I don't know if it would impact sales as long as the music is good, but I think it may upset some fans.  Especially if it was a stock image type of cover.

Well, the merch too.   It's kind of neat to get the local shirt, and have the tie -in to the record.   Eddie busting up the Brooklyn Bridge... etc.  Maiden is literally the ONLY band I buy shirts from at this stage of the game, and I don't think I'd buy a clown on a tightrope shirt with the Maiden logo over it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 07, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
What if Iron Maiden decided to ditch Eddie for at least one album?  Give Eddie a vacation and let an imposter like Hugh Syme make a cover out of stock images.
Do you think the album would sell as good without Eddie, even if the music would be their best ever?  🙃🤘

Why?
IDK, just a weird random thought..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 07, 2021, 04:28:10 PM
They already had a cover done by Hugh Syme, didn't they? An h told me their idea at the time was to do a completely different take on their visual identity. That makes sense, because the shift also happened in their sound. But I have a feeling that their days of making bold statements are gone, and they'll keep playing to their strengths until the end of the band.
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Post by: Grappler on July 07, 2021, 07:14:00 PM
Fear Of The Dark has tons of great songs on it!

I love that record too and some of the deep cuts that nobody ever mentions are really cool songs - Fear is the Key, Childhood's End and The Fugitive, in particular.
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Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2021, 07:15:37 PM
FOTD still probably a top 5 Maiden album for me.  Judas also still a top 5 Maiden song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 07, 2021, 10:49:12 PM
FOTD still probably a top 5 Maiden album for me.  Judas also still a top 5 Maiden song.
I have the FOTD album, but I've only listened to it maybe two or three times.  The title track is a top tier song, but the rest of the album did nothing for me.  I should give it another chance and listen from a fresh perspective.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on July 08, 2021, 02:27:49 PM
Just listened to the song "Powerslave" for the first time. That chorus! :hefdaddy

The bit from 5:02 to 5:13 reminds me of "Metropolis - Part I", also starting at 5:02. Has it ever been confirmed whether it's a tribute or something?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on July 08, 2021, 03:10:08 PM
FOTD still probably a top 5 Maiden album for me.  Judas also still a top 5 Maiden song.
I have the FOTD album, but I've only listened to it maybe two or three times.  The title track is a top tier song, but the rest of the album did nothing for me.  I should give it another chance and listen from a fresh perspective.

I listened to No Prayer and FOTD recently -- probably for the first time in 25 years.  FOTD (the song) is far and away the best song on either album, but I was a little surprised to find that I liked more songs on No Prayer than on FOTD.  They both bear revisiting.


Just listened to the song "Powerslave" for the first time. That chorus! :hefdaddy

The bit from 5:02 to 5:13 reminds me of "Metropolis - Part I", also starting at 5:02. Has it ever been confirmed whether it's a tribute or something?

I mean...they're both sections in which the band does a "bum bum" thing that is interspersed with drum fills, but that's about it.  Not exactly something unique, and I would imagine the similarity is purely coincidental.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2021, 07:37:06 AM
Fear Of The Dark has tons of great songs on it!

I love that record too and some of the deep cuts that nobody ever mentions are really cool songs - Fear is the Key, Childhood's End and The Fugitive, in particular.

I wouldn't say "tons" but it's not devoid of good songs.  I LOVE Afraid To Shoot Strangers and From Here To Eternity (a part of the Charlotte series, BTW).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 09, 2021, 02:25:52 PM
An Invitation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2jts6nX8g4&ab_channel=IronMaiden)
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Post by: TAC on July 09, 2021, 02:27:33 PM
Can't wait!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on July 09, 2021, 02:43:18 PM
Fear Of The Dark has tons of great songs on it!

I love that record too and some of the deep cuts that nobody ever mentions are really cool songs - Fear is the Key, Childhood's End and The Fugitive, in particular.

I overlooked The Fugitive for years, but it's a cool song, I only rediscovered it only a couple of years ago.
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Post by: DoctorAction on July 09, 2021, 03:02:25 PM
An Invitation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2jts6nX8g4&ab_channel=IronMaiden)

Well excited. It better not just be a streaming concert. I mean, a streaming concert would be ace but given my massive lust for a new album, nothing less will sate me!

Bruce is in the same location he was on that news show. I guess they recorded that the same day
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 09, 2021, 03:26:15 PM
No way it's a streaming concert. First of all they're so big they'd crash every server in the world, also Maiden give me the idea of being old school and since they never did anything during the lockdown months, I'd ve very surprised if they'd do a streaming concert, I can picture Steve saying "nah, bollocks" to that.

It's very likely the announcement of the new album. But let's wait and see....
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Post by: TAC on July 09, 2021, 03:37:37 PM
Well they could do a half soundstage concert and half magic show..
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 09, 2021, 03:53:02 PM
Well they could do a half soundstage concert and half magic show..

Yeah, that was truly awful :lol

I dunno. Who announces anything good on a Thursday? Mind you, things are still released on a Tuesday. Who on earth thought that was a good idea in the first place? No. Friday is where it's at.
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Post by: DTA on July 09, 2021, 04:00:26 PM
Fear Of The Dark has tons of great songs on it!

I love that record too and some of the deep cuts that nobody ever mentions are really cool songs - Fear is the Key, Childhood's End and The Fugitive, in particular.


Childhood's End reminds me so much of Fish-era Marillion, particularly the aggressive tom-roll part. Like something straight off Script or Fugazi. Plus it's yet another Marillion song title (after Hooks In You). Has the band ever commented on the similarities? No Prayer is vastly superior to Fear imo with Run Silent Run Deep being the standout from both albums.
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Post by: DoctorAction on July 09, 2021, 04:17:42 PM
No way it's a streaming concert. First of all they're so big they'd crash every server in the world, also Maiden give me the idea of being old school and since they never did anything during the lockdown months, I'd ve very surprised if they'd do a streaming concert, I can picture Steve saying "nah, bollocks" to that.

It's very likely the announcement of the new album. But let's wait and see....

Fingers crossed!


No Prayer is vastly superior to Fear imo with Run Silent Run Deep being the standout from both albums.

Totally. I love that song.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 09, 2021, 04:24:19 PM
I mean it would be funny to see them jam a couple of songs as Belshazzars Feast and then announce the new album, of course that will never happen if I know Steve.  :D
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Post by: wolfking on July 09, 2021, 04:48:29 PM
An Invitation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2jts6nX8g4&ab_channel=IronMaiden)

Fuck me, it's happening!!!
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Post by: cramx3 on July 09, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
No way it's a streaming concert. First of all they're so big they'd crash every server in the world, also Maiden give me the idea of being old school and since they never did anything during the lockdown months, I'd ve very surprised if they'd do a streaming concert, I can picture Steve saying "nah, bollocks" to that.

It's very likely the announcement of the new album. But let's wait and see....

Agreed.  If it were a streamed concert they'd be selling tickets.  I bet it's some elaborate announcement of the album.  I saw some speculation of the announcement and the album dropping live on reddit, but I also find that hard to believe.  Surprise album releases not only don't typically sell well, it also doesn't seem like the type of thing IM would do. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2021, 09:33:47 PM
Fear Of The Dark has tons of great songs on it!

I love that record too and some of the deep cuts that nobody ever mentions are really cool songs - Fear is the Key, Childhood's End and The Fugitive, in particular.


Childhood's End reminds me so much of Fish-era Marillion, particularly the aggressive tom-roll part. Like something straight off Script or Fugazi. Plus it's yet another Marillion song title (after Hooks In You). Has the band ever commented on the similarities? No Prayer is vastly superior to Fear imo with Run Silent Run Deep being the standout from both albums.

Both were on EMI, both had the stylized logo on their (early) records, both had the painted album covers by dedicated artists (Derek Riggs and Mark Wilkinson), both had singles that had corresponding artwork, both had a generous helping of live and studio b-sides, both had the mascot (Eddie and the Jester), both had/have singers that like to wear costumes and masks on stage...  I'd say there was a lot in common, actually.   
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Post by: Cool Chris on July 09, 2021, 10:39:31 PM
Can't wait!!

(https://media.tenor.com/images/6761e0b7913beb458209b88796fcfcdb/tenor.gif)
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Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on July 10, 2021, 02:41:00 AM
Yesterday, they also uploaded an edited live video of "The Clairvoyant", with hidden clues about next week's announcement. https://youtu.be/XVcxgmtwaSk

I listened to the song for the first time in over 15 years. God, they write such great choruses!
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Post by: DTA on July 10, 2021, 04:31:57 AM
Fear Of The Dark has tons of great songs on it!

I love that record too and some of the deep cuts that nobody ever mentions are really cool songs - Fear is the Key, Childhood's End and The Fugitive, in particular.


Childhood's End reminds me so much of Fish-era Marillion, particularly the aggressive tom-roll part. Like something straight off Script or Fugazi. Plus it's yet another Marillion song title (after Hooks In You). Has the band ever commented on the similarities? No Prayer is vastly superior to Fear imo with Run Silent Run Deep being the standout from both albums.

Both were on EMI, both had the stylized logo on their (early) records, both had the painted album covers by dedicated artists (Derek Riggs and Mark Wilkinson), both had singles that had corresponding artwork, both had a generous helping of live and studio b-sides, both had the mascot (Eddie and the Jester), both had/have singers that like to wear costumes and masks on stage...  I'd say there was a lot in common, actually.

 :o That's a pretty extensive list of similarities that I've never seen mentioned before. Surely all coincidental, but interesting nonetheless. I was actually talking about the similarities between song titles that Maiden has "borrowed" from them...someone's got to be a Marillion fan in the band, right?
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 10, 2021, 04:59:08 AM
Yesterday, they also uploaded an edited live video of "The Clairvoyant", with hidden clues about next week's announcement. https://youtu.be/XVcxgmtwaSk

I listened to the song for the first time in over 15 years. God, they write such great choruses!
Oh, I noticed the video but didn't see it. Wow interesting!

Seems to contain two text messages: Live Forever and Man or Beast
and two images: The first I can't tell what it looks like but I did think about one of the Icebergs in the SSoaSS album cover. The second seems to be a image of the hall Bruce did the video from.

I honestly got some shivers from "Live Forever", this band has given everything to the life on the road, playing live and to their fans. I think the last thing this band will ever do is going out on a final tour to celebrate their music with their fans.
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Post by: DoctorAction on July 10, 2021, 05:31:02 AM
I wonder if there's any link to SSOASS...
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Post by: Stadler on July 10, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
So... I was thinking about this this morning.  "Balthazarr's Feast" does NOT sound like a Maiden album title, but it very much does sound like a song title.    Not having seen that Clairvoyant (love that song) video, I wonder if the "Live Forever" is the album. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 10, 2021, 04:14:57 PM
Balshazzar's Feast is a biblical story that gave the origin to the expression "Writing on the Wall", with the Maiden machine pumping out tweets and posts with variants of the WOTW acronym in it - and WOTW was first spotted on a poster for the Legacy of the Beast tour.

I mean, at this point I'm gonna be actually surprised if the album isn't named Writing on the Wall.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2021, 05:25:38 PM
Live Forever sounds like it could be a tour name, maybe for their final tour.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 10, 2021, 07:49:21 PM
Well, they have their fair share of albums with "death" in the name, so maybe it's time to shake things up a bit, no?
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Post by: Mladen on July 11, 2021, 03:03:30 AM
Live forever sounds like a good song title, especially for an album closer.

Belshazzar's feast could be the name of the first single. It could contain the words "writing on the wall" in the lyrics, which could be the name of the album. The "man or beast" could also be in the lyrics, the chorus in particular.

The image on the poster will be updated with Eddie and more color for the album cover.

Just my predictions / feelings / wishes.  ;D
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Post by: pg1067 on July 12, 2021, 10:30:58 AM
"Balthazarr's Feast"

Definitely not.


Balshazzar's Feast

Closer.


Belshazzar's feast

And there you have it.


Balshazzar's Feast is a biblical story that gave the origin to the expression "Writing on the Wall"

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43318.msg2786808#msg2786808
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Post by: devieira73 on July 14, 2021, 05:55:31 AM
Countdown:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?utm_campaign=bf&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1c1UBlfaw1CRZgmHOJ6XXLJJlQTY60xCnlrcE4eJUYvFFWKDl_Kg9C-Kw&v=FhBnW7bZHEE
28 hours to go.
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Post by: wolfking on July 14, 2021, 06:07:53 AM
It's July 15 in 2 hours here In Australia!  I want it now dammit!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 14, 2021, 06:44:26 AM
Shit is about to get real!!!

Now I saw a clip on Maiden's Instagram with the acronym "TWOTW" (with the T at the beginning) and it was literally written on a wall.

Now the real surprise is gonna be if the album ISN'T called (The) Writing on the Wall.
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 14, 2021, 06:46:37 AM
Six o'clock tomorrow afternoon UK time.
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Post by: devieira73 on July 14, 2021, 06:48:17 AM
It will be at 16:00 GMT :tup
Also, in IM's facebook, they posted all the album covers, from IM to VXI, reworked, adding some hints of WOTW, Belshazzar's Feast or that pointed mountain. Interesting that they didn't include the reunion albums on those.
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Post by: wolfking on July 14, 2021, 07:18:36 AM
Shit is about to get real!!!

Now I saw a clip on Maiden's Instagram with the acronym "TWOTW" (with the T at the beginning) and it was literally written on a wall.

Now the real surprise is gonna be if the album ISN'T called (The) Writing on the Wall.

That's a fucking dark album title if you ask me.  I know AMOLAD, DOD, NPFTD etc.  But something about The Writing on the Wall just seems dark and heavy.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 14, 2021, 07:27:56 AM
Maybe it's just the title track and it's a random story that warrants that title.
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Post by: Mladen on July 14, 2021, 08:52:24 AM
Writing on the wall would be a chilling, brutal title. I'll be so happy if it turns out to be the name of the album.
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Post by: Stadler on July 14, 2021, 08:52:40 AM
Well, the phrase MEANS "a foreshadowing of impending doom", so it's inherently dark.   I'm more interested to see if it's meta, in the sense of pertaining to the band or it's future.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 14, 2021, 09:18:52 AM
Anyway, a new album means that the last word of the last track of the last Iron Maiden album won't be "France".

For such a super duper british band, it would have been weird to end their lyrical carrer with that word  :D (it all started with "Walking" for the record)
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 14, 2021, 09:55:39 AM
It will be at 16:00 GMT :tup

Nearly ;D 1800 UK (BST), 1700 GMT.

https://www.facebook.com/ironmaiden/posts/356514719174215
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Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2021, 10:10:51 AM
World Slavery Tour, 1985, I was doing time at a private Christian school. Either 7th or 8th grade. Because of time constraints I had to haul ass right after school and hit the show in a white button-down, and black slacks; Dockers hadn't been invented yet. Talk about feeling like a tool. I wore the iconic WS tour shirt (https://wycovintage.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/925ad584-891a-532c-b56c-f77a80d66f34.jpg) over it, and I had a back stage pass stuck to the tail of that, so at last I was camouflaged, but it was still a awkward as all getout.

At the time I would have hated for there to be pictures of that. Thirty-five years later I'd love to see a picture of me at that show.

And I have no specific concert shirt. It varies and I put a great deal of thoughtfulness into it.

Much better than showing up to a rock show in cargo shorts and a Disney shirt because you aren't in the mood, and then getting called up onstage to sing.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 14, 2021, 10:11:21 AM
Anyway, a new album means that the last word of the last track of the last Iron Maiden album won't be "France".

For such a super duper british band, it would have been weird to end their lyrical carrer with that word  :D (it all started with "Walking" for the record)

 That would NEVER happen, and i called it out when BOS was released.
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Post by: DoctorAction on July 14, 2021, 10:17:27 AM
So near!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 14, 2021, 10:23:41 AM
It will be at 16:00 GMT :tup

Nearly ;D 1800 UK (BST), 1700 GMT.

https://www.facebook.com/ironmaiden/posts/356514719174215
Livestream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhBnW7bZHEE&ab_channel=IronMaiden

I love that people are already in the chat and speculating.
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Post by: devieira73 on July 14, 2021, 11:04:02 AM
It will be at 16:00 GMT :tup

Nearly ;D 1800 UK (BST), 1700 GMT.

https://www.facebook.com/ironmaiden/posts/356514719174215
But, but: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/change/uk
 ;D ;D :tup
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 14, 2021, 11:10:05 AM
You tune in whenever you like :lol

As someone living in the UK, I'll be tuning in at 6 pm :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on July 14, 2021, 11:52:53 AM
1PM for me and I set the reminder on youtube  :metal
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Post by: wolfking on July 14, 2021, 03:38:52 PM
Bah!  3am tomorrow morning for me.
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Post by: Zydar on July 15, 2021, 02:50:21 AM
So apparently both Iron Maiden and Judas Priest has announcements coming today (15th). I saw something about it on Priest's Instagram account.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRUY32ftQTJ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CRUY32ftQTJ/)

"Get ready to celebrate 50 heavy metal years.."
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Post by: Mladen on July 15, 2021, 03:42:04 AM
The Priest countdown suggests their news are coming out earlier, in a couple of hours in fact:

https://forms.sonymusicfans.com/campaign/columbia_judaspriest_newsletter_signup_2021/

If there was any relation between the updates, they would be announced at the same time.  ???
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Post by: emtee on July 15, 2021, 04:09:55 AM
Maiden
Priest
Lamb Of God
Testament
Metal Church.


This is the unconfirmed scuttlebutt.
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 15, 2021, 08:19:50 AM
Well, here's the Priest announcement.

https://www.loudersound.com/news/judas-priest-celebrate-50-heavy-metal-years-with-epic-42-disc-box-set
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Post by: Mladen on July 15, 2021, 08:33:35 AM
Wonderful. Lets see if Iron Maiden can top this with their announcement.  :biggrin:
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Post by: devieira73 on July 15, 2021, 09:00:38 AM
One hour to go, right?
edit: wrong, two hours.
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Post by: Cool Chris on July 15, 2021, 09:11:52 AM
42 disc box set?!?
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Post by: pg1067 on July 15, 2021, 09:45:40 AM
42 disc box set?!?

Half of which fans already have....  Will they release a subset that only has the previously unreleased stuff?  I doubt it....
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 15, 2021, 09:53:28 AM
I'm not interested in Priest at all (although Screaming for Vengeance, what a great album that is) so didn't go too much into it but yeah 42 CDs... that's crazy/amazing/ridiculous/stupid*. Anyone know how much it'll cost?

* delete as applicable
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Post by: pg1067 on July 15, 2021, 09:55:32 AM
I'm not interested in Priest at all (although Screaming for Vengeance, what a great album that is) so didn't go too much into it but yeah 42 CDs... that's crazy/amazing/ridiculous/stupid*. Anyone know how much it'll cost?

* delete as applicable

I believe the technical term is a "shload."
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Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2021, 09:55:43 AM
42 disc box set?!?

Half of which fans already have....  Will they release a subset that only has the previously unreleased stuff?  I doubt it....

Don't you mean, "41 disks of which fans already have?"
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Post by: kaos2900 on July 15, 2021, 09:55:50 AM
It's got to be a new album/tour right?
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Post by: 425 on July 15, 2021, 09:58:42 AM
I actually feel like I'm the rare person who's in one of the two target audiences for that Priest set—I only own a couple of their albums, but I like them well enough that I could see myself going for the full discography at some point. But even so, it's likely going to have a price tag big enough to make me balk and not enough of a discount over buying each album individually to make me jump.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 10:01:53 AM
It's got to be a new album/tour right?

With some of hints pointing to 17, I'd bet a lot of money on the new album.  Tour? Maybe.  They already have the rescheduled Legacy of the Beast shows for next summer so I'm not as confident on that, but it would be awesome to see a tour of the states again in support of the new album.  Single?  I'd say it's possible but maybe more likely we get some sound bites from the album and the single coming soon.  Of course I'd be happy if we got a single today too.
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Post by: pg1067 on July 15, 2021, 10:08:05 AM
42 disc box set?!?

Half of which fans already have....  Will they release a subset that only has the previously unreleased stuff?  I doubt it....

Don't you mean, "41 disks of which fans already have?"

Looking at the list, no, but it's more than half.

Discs 1-15 are all of the albums from Halford's original stint with the band (including Unleashed and Priest...Live).
16-21 are the two Ripper studio albums and two previously released live albums.
22-29 are the Halford reunion studio albums and two previously released live albums (the list skips from 27 to 29, so it's not clear what disc 28 is).
30-40 are live material from '79 through '91.  Most of it is marked "previously unreleased," but I'm not familiar with any of the stuff that isn't so marked.
41 and 42 are marked as "beyond live & rare: previously unreleased stereo recordings from the archives."
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Post by: gazinwales on July 15, 2021, 10:12:55 AM
Discs 20-21 previously released Ripper live album.
https://www.discogs.com/Judas-Priest-Live-In-London/release/1987886
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Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
aww shit its starting with a 2 minute timer
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Post by: DoctorAction on July 15, 2021, 11:11:24 AM
Hurray! What a great track! Sound/production/leads were awesome too. Woo!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 15, 2021, 11:13:04 AM
I'm guessing that was a single from the upcoming album? It feels like the album is actually called Belshazzar's Feast then?

Pretty cool song and I loved the animation video.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 11:14:28 AM
I thought the sound was pretty bad IMO, I mean, typical Kevin Shirley raw sound but specifically Bruce did not sound good at all IMO.  Music video was pretty awesome.  Song... I need to listen again.  Had some really cool musical parts with the guitars, but it was slower paced and didnt immediately catch me.
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 15, 2021, 11:14:37 AM
That was catchy.

Although the production was a little weird.

Regardless, thoroughly enjoyed it :biggrin:
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Post by: DoctorAction on July 15, 2021, 11:14:48 AM
Not sure about anything except that song. Hope we hear more soon.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 11:15:43 AM
Was expecting some news about the album after the credits but nothing.  Just the song (Writing on the Wall) and music video.
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Post by: nobloodyname on July 15, 2021, 11:16:08 AM
specifically Bruce did not sound good at all IMO.

I thought he sounded like he was singing in the bathroom (both for the reverb and the strain :lol). However, I'm also playing a game at the moment and thought the reverb might have been coming from that.
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Post by: Architeuthis on July 15, 2021, 11:17:12 AM
Most excellent,  and not bogus!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 11:17:32 AM
specifically Bruce did not sound good at all IMO.

I thought he sounded like he was singing in the bathroom (both for the reverb and the strain :lol). However, I'm also playing a game at the moment and thought the reverb might have been coming from that.

Yeah, I was thinking like some sort of empty room. Very odd.

Also, the youtube link used for the stream has now been updated with title and has the lyrics

Iron Maiden – The Writing On The Wall (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhBnW7bZHEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhBnW7bZHEE)

Quote
Lyrics
Across a painted desert lies a train of vagabonds
All that’s left of what we were it’s what we have become
Once our empires glorious but now the empire’s gone
The dead gave us the time to live and now our time is done

Now we are victorious we’ve become our slaves
A land of hope and glory building graveyards for the brave

Have you seen the writing on the wall
Have you seen that writing
Can you see the riders on the storm
Can you see them riding ~ can you see them riding

Holding on to jury is that all we ever know
Ignorance our judge and jury all we’ve got to show
From Hollywood to Babylon ~ holy war to kingdom come
On a trail of dust and ashes ~ when the burning sky is done
A tide of change is coming and that is what you fear
The earthquake is a coming but you don’t want to hear
You’re just too blind to see

Have you seen the writing on the wall
Have you seen that writing
Can you see the riders on the storm
Can you see them riding
Can you see them riding. . . Riding next to you

Written by Smith / Dickinson
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Post by: Dedalus on July 15, 2021, 11:19:52 AM
Most excellent,  and not bogus!!!  :metal

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

UP THE IRONS!
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Post by: Anguyen92 on July 15, 2021, 11:25:08 AM
Holy cow, this is quite a graphic video here.

It's an all right song for the first single of what looks to be a new album.  I do agree though regarding Bruce's voice not produced clear enough.  He sounds ok.  It just wasn't projected clear enough if that makes sense.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2021, 11:28:54 AM
I like it.
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Post by: Polarbear on July 15, 2021, 11:29:59 AM
Pretty good Maiden tune! I dig it. :tup

New Eddie design is also pretty cool, assuming that is what he is going to look like in the album cover!
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Post by: Grappler on July 15, 2021, 11:34:56 AM
That song is awesome!   Love the part of the video where the old Eddie's appear. 
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 15, 2021, 11:35:44 AM
Some info about the video and the makers: https://www.itsnicethat.com/news/nicos-livesey-blinkink-iron-maiden-the-writing-on-the-wall-animation-150721
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Post by: goo-goo on July 15, 2021, 11:41:55 AM
Didn't like the 1st solo at all (sounded out of place) but then the following solo totally kicks ass.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 15, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
Well, after so much hype, "just" a new song feels underwhelming... they started the whole WOTW thing months ago for just a single track? without even saying or HINTING it's a song from a new album? I mean, it's certainly a first for Maiden in their entire carrer, "here's a new song just because".

Having said that, I like it! Is it the freshness of it, or does it actually sound fresh and new and not "just another Maiden song"? I mean, it's no slow intro song, no anthemic Wicker Man wannabe song, no galopping bass... if you'd sell me this as a Bruce solo song, I'd totally fall for that. and I mean it as a compliment, it's nice to have a new song that doesn't let us think immediately "Ah, here we go again with the same kind of song".

Bruce sounds great as usual, but he's low in the mix. Like they want to hide him away, why? he's good as ever!

Anyway, love the song, video is cool, I just think the hype was worth of an album announcement, not a single song release without even the hint of a future album to come.
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Post by: emtee on July 15, 2021, 12:00:00 PM
Hmm. Kinda sounded like a Bon Jovi song for a while. Need a few more spins.
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Post by: devieira73 on July 15, 2021, 12:03:48 PM
I liked the song! And it has a very different (for IM) western feel to it. Maybe because of that, it sounds like Bon Jovi?
Kevin Shirley's production is what it is... I never felt that he was good for IM.
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Post by: Melphina on July 15, 2021, 12:12:21 PM
While I enjoy it, it didn't grab me by the throat especially at the beginning, and as is typical of Maiden for the last 15 or so years, it's too long. But it's Iron Maiden so it's automatically awesome.
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Post by: Lupton on July 15, 2021, 12:14:20 PM
Video was really cool. Song didn't do anything for me, but then that's no surprise as I'm not really that big on anything from Smith on the last few Maiden releases. To me, Janick is the best writer in the band at this point. In fact, when I look at the list of tunes I regularly listen to from AMoLaD thru BoS, nothing from Smith is on the list. Shame, as Smith is the tastiest solo-ist in the band (IMHO).
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Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 12:14:37 PM
Anyway, love the song, video is cool, I just think the hype was worth of an album announcement, not a single song release without even the hint of a future album to come.

I really expected the album details at the end of the video.  Pretty shocked that there's no announcement.  I really doubt this is just a one off single which a lot of bands do these days, just doesn't seem very IM like.  Maybe they don't want to release the album just yet since they won't be touring to support it any time soon but they also don't want to fall out of the limelight so they release this track very early and over the next months we get more tidbits and eventually another song and album details.  Who knows. 
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Post by: kirksnosehair on July 15, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like it would be more at home on a Bruce Dickinson solo album? 


Some interesting and unexpected choices on how this was mixed but I love that it's got plenty of head room.  The drums sound massive.  :eek


The music is not really what I've come to expect from Iron Maiden, which is a little bit surprising since they've been pretty consistent since the reunion.  Someone mentioned Bon Jovi...that flashed through my mind as well.  The intro reminded me a little bit of Wanted Dead or Alive, but only for a few seconds. 










Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2021, 12:22:10 PM
A bit underwhelming..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on July 15, 2021, 12:25:14 PM
It was ok.  Nothing great.  Not surprised to see at the end that it was a Smith/Dickinson composition.

When the main riff started, it seemed VERY reminiscent of something -- not sure if it was a particular song or just the style of some other band.

We'll see....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 15, 2021, 12:28:33 PM
Well, I remember when they released the single "The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg" and I had about the same reaction to that song, but the rest of that album was really pretty great.  In fact, TROBB was probably the weakest track on A Matter of Life and Death, which is still my favorite reunion era album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on July 15, 2021, 12:29:14 PM
Hard to judge sound quality on YouTube, if the final album sounds that way then that's another thing.

I liked the song and video, pretty elaborate animation.

I guess those were Eddies of different eras on the bikes. I think I saw Somewhere in Time, Piece of Mind and Powerslave Eddie if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there were more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 15, 2021, 12:35:58 PM
Hard to judge sound quality on YouTube, if the final album sounds that way then that's another thing.

I liked the song and video, pretty elaborate animation.

I guess those were Eddie's of different eras on the bikes. I think I saw Somewhere in Time, Piece of Mind and Powerslave Eddie if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there were more.
Yea apparently there's alot of nuggets in the video, haven't looked for them myself yet though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on July 15, 2021, 12:41:42 PM
Can't wait to listen as I'm at work but I've seen many people comment that the mix is much better on spotify and apple compared to the YouTube video
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 15, 2021, 12:43:28 PM
Hard to judge sound quality on YouTube, if the final album sounds that way then that's another thing.

I liked the song and video, pretty elaborate animation.

I guess those were Eddie's of different eras on the bikes. I think I saw Somewhere in Time, Piece of Mind and Powerslave Eddie if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there were more.


Well, just to clarify, I didn't think it sounded bad. In fact, I just listened again and I think it sounds pretty good overall.  The way the drums are mixed just caught me by surprise I guess.  Even that is not necessarily bad.  It's just not what I expected.


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 15, 2021, 12:44:29 PM
Hard to judge sound quality on YouTube, if the final album sounds that way then that's another thing.

I liked the song and video, pretty elaborate animation.

I guess those were Eddies of different eras on the bikes. I think I saw Somewhere in Time, Piece of Mind and Powerslave Eddie if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there were more.

Killers, Dance of Death, Somewhere in Time and Powerslave Eddie's, plus the new one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on July 15, 2021, 12:44:43 PM
Maiden meets Metalocalypse. :metal

I guess those were Eddies of different eras on the bikes. I think I saw Somewhere in Time, Piece of Mind and Powerslave Eddie if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there were more.
Yep. Based on his weapons, the first one appears to be both Killers and Dance Of Death Eddie. Then there's also Somewhere In Time, Powerslave and Book of Souls Eddies.

Yea apparently there's alot of nuggets in the video, haven't looked for them myself yet though.
I started a thread about it on the Maiden subreddit. Here's a link, in case you find something cool to share: https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/okxs3d/twotw_video_references/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 15, 2021, 12:50:36 PM
Considering the first singles since Bruce and Adrian came back:

01 - The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
02 - The Wicker Man
03 - The Writing on the Wall
04 - Speed of Light
05 - Wildest Dreams
06 - El Dorado

I don't like the last three.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 15, 2021, 12:54:51 PM
Reminded me of The Legacy.

The only issue I have is with the production on Bruce's vocals. They sound tight, as in tight in a box.

The video on the other hand was excellent, and is how music videos should be done. Loving Samurai Eddy.

I am laughing though because when the main riff came in, I instantly started singing "I feel like making love."   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on July 15, 2021, 01:01:58 PM
Hard to judge sound quality on YouTube, if the final album sounds that way then that's another thing.

I liked the song and video, pretty elaborate animation.

I guess those were Eddie's of different eras on the bikes. I think I saw Somewhere in Time, Piece of Mind and Powerslave Eddie if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there were more.


Well, just to clarify, I didn't think it sounded bad. In fact, I just listened again and I think it sounds pretty good overall.  The way the drums are mixed just caught me by surprise I guess.  Even that is not necessarily bad.  It's just not what I expected.




Like others have said, it's kinda on par with how Kevin Shirley has been mixing the band in the reunion era. I checked out the YouTube music version and the Spotify version, it does sound a bit better than the video version. Still overall kinda bland mix but not surprising at this stage.

I'm waiting for more info on the album and release. At this rate, the release will probably be sometime next year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 01:05:48 PM
Hard to judge sound quality on YouTube, if the final album sounds that way then that's another thing.

I liked the song and video, pretty elaborate animation.

I guess those were Eddies of different eras on the bikes. I think I saw Somewhere in Time, Piece of Mind and Powerslave Eddie if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there were more.

Killers, Dance of Death, Somewhere in Time and Powerslave Eddie's, plus the new one.

There was also a nod to the X factor as well.  I bet there were lots of nuggets in the video, I only watched once though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 15, 2021, 01:06:09 PM
Oh, please make it sooner than next year. A six month wait will be totally frustrating for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 15, 2021, 01:09:12 PM
There's a sort of countdown in the band's official Instagram stories.

Every day there is a story with a album cover and the sound of the first single in the background.

Today: Dance of Death, to the sound of Wildest Dreams.

So tomorrow it will be A Matter of Life and Death, the 17th it will be The Final Frontier, the 18th The Book of Souls and the 19th... maybe the new album? To see....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 15, 2021, 01:13:19 PM
There's a sort of countdown in the band's official Instagram stories.

Every day there is a story with a album cover and the sound of the first single in the background.

Today: Dance of Death, to the sound of Wildest Dreams.

So tomorrow it will be A Matter of Life and Death, the 17th it will be The Final Frontier, the 18th The Book of Souls and the 19th... maybe the new album? To see....  :biggrin:

Ahh... and all the album covers have been modified with WOTW or Bellshazzar's Feast poster.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 01:16:27 PM
There's a sort of countdown in the band's official Instagram stories.

Every day there is a story with a album cover and the sound of the first single in the background.

Today: Dance of Death, to the sound of Wildest Dreams.

So tomorrow it will be A Matter of Life and Death, the 17th it will be The Final Frontier, the 18th The Book of Souls and the 19th... maybe the new album? To see....  :biggrin:

oh, nice!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on July 15, 2021, 01:18:55 PM
There's a sort of countdown in the band's official Instagram stories.

Every day there is a story with a album cover and the sound of the first single in the background.

Today: Dance of Death, to the sound of Wildest Dreams.

So tomorrow it will be A Matter of Life and Death, the 17th it will be The Final Frontier, the 18th The Book of Souls and the 19th... maybe the new album? To see....  :biggrin:

Very cool, didn't Tool do something similar on Instagram, every week they released an album cover or something and then announced the new album? I forget the details but that would be a cool way to reveal it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cruithne on July 15, 2021, 01:24:50 PM
Well, I really like it - better than anything off Book Of Souls. I wonder if they've done an approach to the vocals that tries to de-emphasise the effect on his speech that missing a chunk of his tongue has had.

When the main riff started, it seemed VERY reminiscent of something -- not sure if it was a particular song or just the style of some other band.

If you mean what kicks in around the 1 minute mark it's big hints of the Feel Like Makin' Love chorus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Melphina on July 15, 2021, 01:32:51 PM
Considering the first singles since Bruce and Adrian came back:

01 - The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
02 - The Wicker Man
03 - The Writing on the Wall
04 - Speed of Light
05 - Wildest Dreams
06 - El Dorado

I don't like the last three.

Speed of Light is easily my favorite of them all even if Bruce is straining in the chorus. Wicker Man not far behind. After that, meh.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 15, 2021, 01:38:47 PM
I thought it was good. I like the acoustic vibe, the mid tempo and the folky riffs. It's great to have a new Iron Maiden song after so many years, I was truly excited about this one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 15, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
Well, that song was a letdown for all the hype.  Expected something heavy from the name and the buildup and we almost get a Smith/Kotzen left over.  The verses reminded me heavily of Turn the Page.

Didn't like that at all.  Adrian taking both solos too which is a bit odd.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2021, 01:52:02 PM
Well, that song was a letdown for all the hype.  Expected something heavy from the name and the buildup and we almost get a Smith/Kotzen left over.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 15, 2021, 01:55:16 PM
Considering the first singles since Bruce and Adrian came back:

01 - The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
02 - The Wicker Man
03 - The Writing on the Wall
04 - Speed of Light
05 - Wildest Dreams
06 - El Dorado

I don't like the last three.

Speed of Light is easily my favorite of them all even if Bruce is straining in the chorus. Wicker Man not far behind. After that, meh.

To me SoL, WD and El Dorado are typical Adrian Smith generic songs since returning.

I was genuinely surprised that the new song written by Adrian is not up to par.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 15, 2021, 01:58:37 PM
Really Really enjoyed that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on July 15, 2021, 02:01:26 PM
I’m usually let down by the opening single on most Maiden albums. But I really really like this one!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 15, 2021, 02:02:25 PM
And even in AMoLaD Adrian Smith made his generic song to be single (Different World), but strangely it stayed as the second single.

It wouldn't be strange if a second single from the new album were of this type.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on July 15, 2021, 02:19:32 PM
No opinion on the song yet, though it certainly does have a Southern rock kind of thing going, but if you're going to promote this much chatter and speculation you really need to hand out more than just one song. After TFF thing they have to know there's a ton of speculation that comes with these sorts of things, and this kind makes me think they're just yanking our chain.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 02:24:55 PM
No opinion on the song yet, though it certainly does have a Southern rock kind of thing going, but if you're going to promote this much chatter and speculation you really need to hand out more than just one song. After TFF thing they have to know there's a ton of speculation that comes with these sorts of things, and this kind makes me think they're just yanking our chain.

My initial thoughts are the same, but I don't follow their IG (or at least not closely) so if what Dedalus says is true (and I have no reason to doubt that) then it seems they are still pumping up some hype for another announcement.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 15, 2021, 02:28:38 PM
No opinion on the song yet, though it certainly does have a Southern rock kind of thing going, but if you're going to promote this much chatter and speculation you really need to hand out more than just one song. After TFF thing they have to know there's a ton of speculation that comes with these sorts of things, and this kind makes me think they're just yanking our chain.

Hoping this is the El Dorado of the album, or a b-side.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 15, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Well, that song was a letdown for all the hype.  Expected something heavy from the name and the buildup and we almost get a Smith/Kotzen left over.

 :lol

Just the first thing that popped in my head.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2021, 02:42:09 PM
Well, that song was a letdown for all the hype.  Expected something heavy from the name and the buildup and we almost get a Smith/Kotzen left over.

 :lol

Just the first thing that popped in my head.

I never checked that album out, I'm guessing you two weren't a fan?  I didn't hate the first single
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on July 15, 2021, 02:42:17 PM
Great song, heard a much clearer mix on YT Music and I detected some keyboard sounds during the chorus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 15, 2021, 02:47:23 PM
Well, that song was a letdown for all the hype.  Expected something heavy from the name and the buildup and we almost get a Smith/Kotzen left over.

 :lol

Just the first thing that popped in my head.

I never checked that album out, I'm guessing you two weren't a fan?  I didn't hate the first single

Didn't really have an opinion on it.  It was fine and a pleasant listen but not something I'd get the urge to keep revisiting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
I thought the THIRD single was pretty good.  :lol

I might be able to swallow hard and try and enjoy it if it was just Adrian, but even then it'd be a tough one.

But yeah, nothing I'd follow up on.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RMGadelha on July 15, 2021, 03:30:10 PM
I actually really liked the main riff. The chorus is a bit... idk, it's growing on me. It seems to be one of the choruses that I hate when I first hear them and they become one of my favourites later, like Fall into the Light by DT. but overall, I think I enjoyed this more than Speed of Light. And yeah, very weird to just drop a track and not give any info about the album, although I'm 99% positive an album is coming, considering the IMXVII on the poster.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 15, 2021, 03:39:13 PM
My calculus has not changed on whether I think an album is coming; even besides the IMXVII thing I just can't see them coming out with a standalone single at this stage of their career. My calculus has only changed on how likely it is that the title of the album will be The Writing on the Wall.

As for the song: What's promising to me is, like others said, this doesn't sound like a rehash of anything they've done recently. Doesn't really stand out as anything special to me on its own terms, but their last few lead singles have been among my least favorite songs on their respective albums, so I'm not inclined to worry too much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Melphina on July 15, 2021, 03:50:16 PM
I hope this album was not recorded in a cup of chocolate pudding like the last one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on July 15, 2021, 03:52:36 PM
Can’t understand anyone saying Bruce sounds good, he’s still doing the Abe Simpson thing that he had on the recent live release.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on July 15, 2021, 03:53:55 PM
Haven't heard it yet as I'm at work, but reading about it on Reddit everyone is saying there is something off with the YouTube version and the Spotify version sounds much better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on July 15, 2021, 04:00:13 PM
Heard it multiple times now. I love Maiden but the new song is not connecting with me. At all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 15, 2021, 04:01:02 PM
Yea there's definitely some compression issue or something with the YT video. The Spotify version is the correct version. On headphones it's clear when you compare the two.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RMGadelha on July 15, 2021, 04:30:52 PM
Gers has been my favourite composer (at least credited composer, considering how much of each individual song is actually composed by Harris, I've heard) for the past few albums, especially the last two. I absolutely love The Talisman and Shadows of the Valley (and Ghost of the Navigator, etc) . I wonder if this will continue.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2021, 04:35:40 PM
Yea there's definitely some compression issue or something with the YT video. The Spotify version is the correct version. On headphones it's clear when you compare the two.

Oh wow, the Spotify version is 100 times better.

I can see this song growing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: SeRoX on July 15, 2021, 05:19:53 PM
Sorry but Bruce' voice makes the song unlistenable for me. Even burrying his voice in the mix and correction doesn't help.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on July 15, 2021, 05:55:51 PM
I like the song. It’s not great by any means and I hope it’s one of the weakest songs on the album, but I like it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2021, 05:56:52 PM
I like the song. It’s not great by any means and I hope it’s one of the weakest songs on the album, but I like it.

Yeah, I say the same thing every time Iron Maiden releases a lead single..if this is my favorite song on the album, I'm not gonna be happy..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 15, 2021, 06:28:22 PM
The Brazilian cover band Children of the Beast ALREADY did a cover of the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olzsaU-tbjM

This means they played it live BEFORE Maiden!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 15, 2021, 06:30:51 PM
I don't love it, but it's a pretty cool song...a little different for Maiden (at least some parts). I agree it sounds better "outside" of YT, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of the production.

I'm getting a Fleetwood Mac's The Chain vibe at the very start of the song, with the acoustic...anyone else?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on July 15, 2021, 06:42:41 PM
I know youtube can do weird things with the audio but man at least on spotify bruce doesn't sound like he recorded his vocals in a bathroom.

The song overall I enjoy. It sounds a bit different than the usual maiden stuff and sounds like it would be right at home on one of the earlier bruce solo records like Balls to Picasso. It probably won't be my favorite on what I'm assuming is a new album but then again their singles usually aren't anyway. I'm pretty used to what bruce sounds like nowadays so he sounds fine to me but it is clear that playing in standard tuning is getting harder for him. Thanks to his solo work we know Bruce can sound badass in lower tuning and a lot of Maiden stuff I'm sure would sound great in the transition. Hallowed be Thy Name in particular is one that comes to mind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 15, 2021, 06:48:12 PM
Can’t understand anyone saying Bruce sounds good, he’s still doing the Abe Simpson thing that he had on the recent live release.

I don't get that reference.

I liked the song.  I can't wait until I hear it on a decent system with decent sound.  I traditionally like the stuff better when I can listen to it properly (in my car).  I hated the Wolfgang stuff when I heard it on the interwebs, but love it on CD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 15, 2021, 07:25:23 PM
Gers has been my favourite composer (at least credited composer, considering how much of each individual song is actually composed by Harris, I've heard) for the past few albums, especially the last two. I absolutely love The Talisman and Shadows of the Valley (and Ghost of the Navigator, etc) . I wonder if this will continue.

Agreed, Gers hopefully have lots of involvement in the songwriting department.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on July 15, 2021, 07:27:36 PM
DCLXVI (666) on the car heading out...  Nice little nod.  The song was okay on first listen.  Definitely want to listen a few more times before making a decision on it. 

The wife and I are watching Outlander at the moment.  Kinda sounds like something that should be playing in the background of that show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on July 16, 2021, 08:00:33 AM
I like the song.

Bruce sounds old, but for me not in a bad way. He hits the notes, uses his range and expression/passion etc. I do understand why it bothers some people. But I also feel this applied to Book of Souls to some extent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 16, 2021, 09:51:59 AM
The band is still posting photos of album art updated by TWOTW symbols. AMOLAD was posted today on Facebook and Instagram, with one of the soldiers wearing the Belshazzar's feast shirt.

I assume that The Final Frontier and The Book of souls are coming up on Saturday and Sunday, so that we can have the announcement of the new album on Monday.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 16, 2021, 11:42:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQYb0dnyA0

The sound is MUCH better on this youtube link for the official audio.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 16, 2021, 11:59:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQYb0dnyA0

The sound is MUCH better on this youtube link for the official audio.
That does sound really good, and the vocals sound clearer.   :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on July 16, 2021, 12:06:12 PM
Didn't hate the song, didn't love it either. It's OK.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 16, 2021, 12:33:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQYb0dnyA0

The sound is MUCH better on this youtube link for the official audio.

Thanks, that sounds better! I kind of like the song, nice chorus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 16, 2021, 12:50:37 PM
Listened to it again and if Dickinson wasn't singing, I don't know if I would have been able to identify this as an Iron Maiden song.  I mean, OK, no problem with bands evolving over time, this is a pretty common thing.  But as Iron Maiden songs go this one doesn't really contain any of the classic elements that make Iron Maiden songs so instantly identifiable.  No galloping bass/drums parts, no twin harmony guitar riffs, no sudden time/feel change into a crazy back and forth legato solo section, no breakdowns.   



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on July 16, 2021, 01:51:23 PM
Gers has been my favourite composer (at least credited composer, considering how much of each individual song is actually composed by Harris, I've heard) for the past few albums, especially the last two. I absolutely love The Talisman and Shadows of the Valley (and Ghost of the Navigator, etc) . I wonder if this will continue.

Agreed, Gers hopefully have lots of involvement in the songwriting department.

I've noticed on the last few releases Gers has been only allowed two tracks per record. Don't know why the band is Harrison-ing him (Beatles reference for those who get it ;)). It makes me wonder if the reason why his stuff has an edge on the other songwriters is because he's taking the best 2 tunes from a pile of songs that don't get used?

There's a much better balance of songwriting on Brave New World and Dance of Death and indeed I find both of those albums superior to anything that followed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on July 16, 2021, 01:56:36 PM
Listened to it again and if Dickinson wasn't singing, I don't know if I would have been able to identify this as an Iron Maiden song.  I mean, OK, no problem with bands evolving over time, this is a pretty common thing.  But as Iron Maiden songs go this one doesn't really contain any of the classic elements that make Iron Maiden songs so instantly identifiable.  No galloping bass/drums parts, no twin harmony guitar riffs, no sudden time/feel change into a crazy back and forth legato solo section, no breakdowns.

To me, most of the re-union area stuff uses those "classic elements" in a much more sparse way than had been done during the classic 80s era. Those 80s records are chock full of those identifiable elements, while in a lot of the reunion tunes, those elements pop up every now and then, but overall there's a lot less of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 16, 2021, 02:42:29 PM
Listened to it again and if Dickinson wasn't singing, I don't know if I would have been able to identify this as an Iron Maiden song.  I mean, OK, no problem with bands evolving over time, this is a pretty common thing.  But as Iron Maiden songs go this one doesn't really contain any of the classic elements that make Iron Maiden songs so instantly identifiable.  No galloping bass/drums parts, no twin harmony guitar riffs, no sudden time/feel change into a crazy back and forth legato solo section, no breakdowns.

That was my problem too.  The only part that sounded like Maiden was that harmony section reminiscent of Where the Wild Wind Blows.  I've only listened to this once but I don't genuinely understand the direction they have taken on this song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 16, 2021, 03:00:12 PM
I still think the first solo could have been better - it sounds like a collage of ideas Adrian had while writing it. Also, it's weird that he has two solos in it, and the others have very little to show for. But I'll say this: the song has grown on me A LOT after a few more listens. I love that they're trying different things. No galloping, no looooong bass intros...just awesome!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Skeever on July 16, 2021, 03:09:42 PM
The song comes to nicely thanks to Bruce's lyrics and concept and the video tying everything together. But without that I think I would find it lacking. The solo especially seems very phoned in, like a lot of other Maiden solos but with about half the effort.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RMGadelha on July 16, 2021, 03:31:13 PM
I enjoy the second solo a lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 16, 2021, 03:34:09 PM
Had someone played me the instrumental version of this, I would be able to identify it as a Maiden song two minutes in. Nicko's beat and Steve's basslines are just classic. Not to mention that the riffs are reminiscent of The Book of souls, Mother Russia, The Legacy and stuff like that. It's consistent with their sound in many aspects.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 16, 2021, 03:56:05 PM
Gers has been my favourite composer (at least credited composer, considering how much of each individual song is actually composed by Harris, I've heard) for the past few albums, especially the last two. I absolutely love The Talisman and Shadows of the Valley (and Ghost of the Navigator, etc) . I wonder if this will continue.

Agreed, Gers hopefully have lots of involvement in the songwriting department.

I've noticed on the last few releases Gers has been only allowed two tracks per record. Don't know why the band is Harrison-ing him (Beatles reference for those who get it ;)). It makes me wonder if the reason why his stuff has an edge on the other songwriters is because he's taking the best 2 tunes from a pile of songs that don't get used?

There's a much better balance of songwriting on Brave New World and Dance of Death and indeed I find both of those albums superior to anything that followed.

I believe Gers' compositions are compatible with Murray, Harris-only, and even Dickinson (excluding his participation as a lyricist).
The outlier is Adrian Smith, who is having half of the writing on the records.

Book of Souls example:
Harris-only: 1
Gers: 2
Dickinson: 2
Murray: 1
Smith:5
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 16, 2021, 04:08:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQYb0dnyA0

The sound is MUCH better on this youtube link for the official audio.

That does sound a lot better.

Damn, the verses, especially the second verse is so close to Turn the Page (Seger/Metallica)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 16, 2021, 04:27:30 PM
I didn't mind the song on second listen, just really hope this isn't a clear representation of the album.  I hope it's the softest song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 16, 2021, 04:29:41 PM
I didn't mind the song on second listen, just really hope this isn't a clear representation of the album.  I hope it's the softest song.

Yeah, I definitely liked it better the second time around. I haven't listened to it a third time yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 16, 2021, 04:45:50 PM
I've listened to this again today and am really impressed.

Once past the the acoustic it's unmistakably Maiden with a slightly groovier, laid back twist.

I wasn't keen on TBOS. There's some good material (and these adjectives don't apply to all of it equally) but was kinda drawn-out, predictable, unpolished and unfinished to me. There's not a single track that would make it onto a Doctor Action Maiden best-of.

I already like this one more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RMGadelha on July 16, 2021, 04:57:26 PM
I've listened to the song 5 times already, and I'm liking it much, much more than Speed of Light. I absolutely love the riff, the second solo and the melody inbetween.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 16, 2021, 06:21:57 PM
I've listened to this again today and am really impressed.

Once past the the acoustic it's unmistakably Maiden with a slightly groovier, laid back twist.

I wasn't keen on TBOS. There's some good material (and these adjectives don't apply to all of it equally) but was kinda drawn-out, predictable, unpolished and unfinished to me. There's not a single track that would make it onto a Doctor Action Maiden best-of.

I already like this one more.

That would be a legit compilation album title!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 16, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQYb0dnyA0

The sound is MUCH better on this youtube link for the official audio.
I also realized why the vocals sound so much better here than on the original promo video, is because there is a cooler sounding delay effect rather than that bathroom reverb.  The delay sounds 10× better!
I wonder why that happened? Perhaps they used the wrong mix the first time??

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on July 16, 2021, 10:26:43 PM
Had someone played me the instrumental version of this, I would be able to identify it as a Maiden song two minutes in. Nicko's beat and Steve's basslines are just classic. Not to mention that the riffs are reminiscent of The Book of souls, Mother Russia, The Legacy and stuff like that. It's consistent with their sound in many aspects.

I agree with this. It sounds exactly like latter-day Maiden.

Interesting that people are now speculating the original version released wasn't the right one. Bruce definitely sounded like he was in a large bathroom or hallway. The version released to Spotify sounds much better although I'd still argue the overall production is rather boxy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 16, 2021, 11:56:28 PM

That would be a legit compilation album title!  :metal

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 17, 2021, 12:23:50 AM
The band is still posting photos of album art updated by TWOTW symbols. AMOLAD was posted today on Facebook and Instagram, with one of the soldiers wearing the Belshazzar's feast shirt.

I assume that The Final Frontier and The Book of souls are coming up on Saturday and Sunday, so that we can have the announcement of the new album on Monday.

Not just Belshazzar's feast shirt, but there are 17 marks on the tank, in addition to the number 17 on the trees (in Arabic and Roman numerals).

(https://i.ibb.co/dc6Sx4j/217814467-357984719027215-9028364716728028166-n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 17, 2021, 01:50:47 AM
Even with the bad sound in the original upload, this sounded interesting and compelling. It's probably not the best song on the album, but it's a really good "this is my first taste of new Iron Maiden after a long absence and I'm imagining this animated video on VH1 Europe in 2007 because we've been through a pandemic and now all I listen to is nostalgia shit"-song. Whoops, too specific :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
THIRTY THREE years ago tonight!
(I've posted these before..)


July 17, 1988
Worcester Centrum


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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 17, 2021, 03:31:14 PM
 :hefdaddy :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 17, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2021, 07:34:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQYb0dnyA0

The sound is MUCH better on this youtube link for the official audio.

Oh yeah, this sounds much better.  :metal

I think this song will warm up much better for me over time.  Once I get over the initial shock of "oh this sounds different than typical IM" and start to just enjoy it for what it is.  It's already more enjoyable than my first listen (and having the better sound helps tremendously).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on July 17, 2021, 07:45:18 PM
It's almost like the lot of you want Maiden to be AC/DC, where every song sounds the same. :corn
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 18, 2021, 06:05:25 AM
The same?  No, I just want it to sound like Iron Maiden.  To me, this doesn't really sound like an Iron Maiden song. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 18, 2021, 06:18:34 AM
The same?  No, I just want it to sound like Iron Maiden.  To me, this doesn't really sound like an Iron Maiden song.

+1.

Honestly, for a band of Maiden's age and the amount of material they have produced, I really don't want to see them try anything different so far at the back end of their career.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 18, 2021, 07:27:16 AM
I didn't think it sounded any more different from their core sound than, say, Different World, Wildest Dreams, Here To Eternity, Can I Play With Madness.

It's a little different but not much, imo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 18, 2021, 07:48:42 AM

It's a little different but not much, imo.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 18, 2021, 08:05:28 AM
Yea for me this sounded pretty much like they've done on all the reunion albums atleast, a kinda of middle paced song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 18, 2021, 08:26:13 AM
I mean, this is way less different than Empire of the Clouds. Given that they put that on their 16th album, I wouldn't put anything past them for their 17th, and wouldn't try to stop them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 18, 2021, 08:28:54 AM
Iron Maiden has a core sound, and a recognizable style, but what's been great about the Reunion Era is how they've actually pushed their songwriting.

I love what they went for with the new song. It's not immediate, but that's OK.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on July 18, 2021, 09:00:20 AM
Yea for me this sounded pretty much like they've done on all the reunion albums atleast, a kinda of middle paced song.

+1
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 19, 2021, 07:06:48 AM
Quote
We are thrilled to announce the release of Iron Maiden’s 17th studio album ‘Senjutsu’ coming Sept 3rd.
1.  Senjutsu (Smith/Harris) 8:20
2.  Stratego (Gers/Harris) 4:59
3.  The Writing On The Wall (Smith/Dickinson) 6:13
4.  Lost In A Lost World (Harris) 9:31
5.  Days Of Future Past (Smith/Dickinson) 4:03
6.  The Time Machine (Gers/Harris) 7:09
7.  Darkest Hour (Smith/Dickinson) 7:20
8.  Death Of The Celts (Harris) 10:20
9.  The Parchment (Harris) 12:39
10.  Hell On Earth (Harris) 11:19
Senjutsu will be released on the following formats and available to pre-order from all good music retailers starting Wednesday July 21st:
Standard 2CD Digipak
Deluxe 2CD Book Format
Deluxe heavyweight 180G Triple Black Vinyl
Special Edition Triple Silver & Black Marble Vinyl (from selected retailers)
Special Edition Triple Red & Black Marble Vinyl (from selected retailers)
Super Deluxe Boxset featuring CD, Blu-Ray and Exclusive Memorabilia
Digital album (streaming and download)
Steve says “We chose to record at Guillaume Tell Studio in France again as the place has such a relaxed vibe. The setup there is perfect for our needs; the building used to be a cinema and has a really high ceiling so there’s a great acoustic sound. We recorded this album in the same way we did The Book Of Souls in that we’d write a song, rehearse it and then put it down together straight away while it was all fresh in our minds. There’s some very complex songs on this album which took a lot of hard work to get them exactly as we wanted them to sound, so the process was at times very challenging, but Kevin is great at capturing the essence of the band and I think it was worth the effort! I’m very proud of the result and can’t wait for fans to hear it.”
Bruce continues, “We’re all really excited about this album. We recorded it back in early 2019 during a break in the Legacy tour so we could maximize our touring yet still have a long set up period before release to prepare great album art and something special as a video. Of course the pandemic delayed things more - so much for the best laid plans – or should that be ‘strategies’!?  The songs are very varied, and some of them are quite long. There’s also one or two songs which sound pretty different to our usual style, and I think Maiden fans will be surprised - in a good way, I hope!“
#IronMaiden #Senjutsu #Album



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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 19, 2021, 07:11:52 AM
They got us, making us think WOTW was the album title!

I know it's a very prog fan thing to hype an album based on track lengths, but... uh... wow.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nel on July 19, 2021, 07:13:40 AM
TWOTW had more interesting art than this, at least. This is just as boring as The Book of Souls cover art.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2021, 07:22:25 AM
Holy fuck that came out of nowhere!

Cover art is beautiful, but after a big close up of Eddie on black for The Book of Souls, I expected something different.

Also:

8. Death Of The Celts (Harris) 10:20
9. The Parchment (Harris) 12:39
10. Hell On Earth (Harris) 11:19


Three +10 minutes Harris songs in a row? gods save us  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on July 19, 2021, 07:22:45 AM
I wonder what the blu-ray includes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 19, 2021, 07:23:55 AM
Further observations:

Technically a double album, but by the slimmest margin imaginable at about 81 minutes.

A lot of Steve on this one. None of the reunion albums have had more than one solo Harris song over 7 minutes. This one has four, all of them longer than 9 minutes. Looks like approximately the usual amount of Jan, no Dave, and a little less Adrian and Bruce. I don't see that as necessarily good or bad, but it's worth noting that Steve very much has a usual style in approaching his long pieces on the last few albums (For the Greater Good of God, When the Wild Wind Blows, The Red and the Black). Hopefully he's found a little more variety this time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 19, 2021, 07:25:04 AM
Okay I would never have guessed that album title :lol


(https://www.ironmaiden.com/media/images/formats1200.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on July 19, 2021, 07:25:56 AM
Awesome cover!
Awesome title!
Can't wait to hear it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2021, 07:29:19 AM
They didn't even mention when the split occcours between the two discs. Last time around they made it clear, probably because the "whoah, double album" factor was justified by the 92 minutes running time and the presence of a 18 minutes song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 19, 2021, 07:34:32 AM
The closest split to the halfway point is between The Time Machine and Darkest Hour, so if I had to guess, that's where I'd say it is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: the_silent_man on July 19, 2021, 07:40:09 AM
Interesting, though I'm skeptical. Was hoping for some shorter, punchier songs this time. I miss that side of the band.

Cover art is cool but was hoping for something with a more detailed background as the black backround was done on book of souls.
Also, was not drawn in on the single unfortuantely.

That aside, will still listen with an open mind!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on July 19, 2021, 07:44:48 AM
Excited to hear this, but I hope it's better than "The Book of Souls"! That album is the quintessential "hit or miss"!

Seems to be another album in the more progressive style, like they've done since "A Matter of Life And Death".

Also, nothing from Murray this time? ??? And four songs from Harris that are around 10 minutes? God help us all. :P

I like the cover art and the new Eddie though. :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2021, 07:47:10 AM
I like the idea of the cover better than the end result.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 19, 2021, 07:49:16 AM
Considering Brave New World to The Book of Souls, I'm not especially a fan of most of the shorter, punchier songs they've produced.

So the lenght of the songs won't be a problem for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 19, 2021, 07:52:46 AM
Also, nothing from Murray this time? ??? And four songs from Harris that are around 10 minutes? God help us all. :P

It's unusual but not unheard of to have no songs from Dave. The last time it happened was The X Factor (although he wrote one of the b-sides, Justice of the Peace). It also happened on Powerslave, and on Killers and The Number of the Beast if one does not count Twilight Zone or Total Eclipse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on July 19, 2021, 07:54:16 AM
I think the album cover and that red marble vinyl look great, will be looking into getting that one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 19, 2021, 07:55:16 AM
It'd be interesting to see if there will be any alternative art off this album cover, as was the case of TBOS instead of the boring black background.

(https://www.grande-rock.com/sites/default/files/styles/head/public/imagesnews/ironmaiden-thebookofsouls-cover-2015.jpg) (http://0dayrox.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Iron2BMaiden2B-2BThe2BBook2BOf2BSouls2B-2Bfront.gif) (https://i.redd.it/2etu36hokrr51.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on July 19, 2021, 07:58:29 AM
'Lost in a Lost World' better be a sequel to 'Stranger in a Strange Land'.

If I'm being completely honest there amount of Harris does worry me, I love a Harris epic as much as the next Maiden fan, but 3 in a row.........
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2021, 08:09:21 AM
The music video had that Japanese theme in it, so it's not completely out of no where, but all that hype and Belshazzars Feast... and none of that is relevant or am I missing something? The hints and nuggets seem to be somewhat confusing up to this press release. 

Anyway, the track titles seem interesting but wow those song lengths.... I hope this isn't a huge let down the way TFF was for me (with lots of Harris songs and the back end with all the longer ones).  Also the mentions of a couple songs being of a different style.  I'm wondering if that includes TWOTW?

Art work is not very interesting IMO.

I'm slightly concerned by this announcement, and the way it's been announced especially since this has been planned for so long now.  I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I'm skeptical as to how good it will be.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: the_silent_man on July 19, 2021, 08:11:45 AM
Wow, have not seen those alternate Book of Souls artworks! All 3 of those are better than the official artwork to me!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 19, 2021, 08:17:12 AM
Wow, have not seen those alternate Book of Souls artworks! All 3 of those are better than the official artwork to me!

Yeah I use the 2nd one as my "official" artwork when I listen on my PC. Way better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2021, 08:18:20 AM
That third layout, with the band members' caricatures, was on one of the shirts of that tour.

 I think the samurai Eddie will look SICK on the live setting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 19, 2021, 08:19:39 AM
The music video had that Japanese theme in it, so it's not completely out of no where, but all that hype and Belshazzars Feast... and none of that is relevant or am I missing something? The hints and nuggets seem to be somewhat confusing up to this press release.  .

They were relevant to the single's marketing. People who assumed it would also have relevance to the album as a whole.

In the countdown after the single's release, references to WOTW or Belshazzar were dropped.

The covers of TFF and TBOS referenced a Japanese theme. That's why I wasn't totally surprised by the album cover and title.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 19, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
I love the artwork and I can’t wait to see the stage design for the world tour!

Here’s hoping it’s a good record!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2021, 08:23:55 AM
The music video had that Japanese theme in it, so it's not completely out of no where, but all that hype and Belshazzars Feast... and none of that is relevant or am I missing something? The hints and nuggets seem to be somewhat confusing up to this press release.  .

They were relevant to the single's marketing. People who assumed it would also have relevance to the album as a whole.

In the countdown after the single's release, references to WOTW or Belshazzar were dropped.

The covers of TFF and TBOS referenced a Japanese theme. That's why I wasn't totally surprised by the album cover and title.

Sun and Steel beer also has Eddie as a samurai. And let's not forget the cover of Maiden Japan. It's actually surprising it took them so long to have that as a theme.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 19, 2021, 08:25:10 AM
Now that's what I've been waiting for. Bring it on.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 19, 2021, 08:29:17 AM
And this strategy (pun intended) aimed at marketing the single, which does not reflect the album as a whole, was exactly the same thing they did at AMoLaD.
Marketing about who was Benjamin Breeg...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 19, 2021, 08:49:46 AM
Anyway, the track titles seem interesting but wow those song lengths.... I hope this isn't a huge let down the way TFF was for me (with lots of Harris songs and the back end with all the longer ones).

TFF only has one solo Harris song, though? (When the Wild Wind Blows)

He's credited as a co-writer on every song, but that was the case on every album from BNW to TFF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on July 19, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
Though I wish the album art actually had a background Samurai Eddie looks badass. In my opinion Maiden has never released a bad album, their worst ones are still overall ok so I'm excited. Their reunion albums have all been solid with AMOLAD being in my top 3. That being said the 3 back to back Harris songs I also find concerning lol. I just gotta hope that there's no song like Blood Brothers on it. I know sometimes the long maiden songs have the tendency to be on the repetitive side (especially songs penned by Harris) but my god I never liked that song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2021, 09:32:33 AM
Anyway, the track titles seem interesting but wow those song lengths.... I hope this isn't a huge let down the way TFF was for me (with lots of Harris songs and the back end with all the longer ones).

TFF only has one solo Harris song, though? (When the Wild Wind Blows)

He's credited as a co-writer on every song, but that was the case on every album from BNW to TFF.

Yeah, he may not be the solo credit but it feels very similar to me. Even with TWOTW which isn't a Harris song feels like TFF to me with the mid tempo pace.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on July 19, 2021, 09:38:52 AM
I just gotta hope that there's no song like Blood Brothers on it.

Indeed. Not a good song.

As for the track lengths, more DT than DT.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 19, 2021, 10:18:08 AM
We can only hope the last 3 songs don't have a chorus or we need to hope that Steve finally learned how to right one.

Sadly, I would venture that at least one of those hits the Seventh Son, Angel and Gambler, Blood Brothers, No More Lies, For The Greater Good of God, etc. realm.

Man, he really has chorus issues.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 19, 2021, 10:27:17 AM
Excellent. Not long to wait!

There is a lot of Steve on there. But well excited.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 19, 2021, 10:30:21 AM
I just gotta hope that there's no song like Blood Brothers on it.

Indeed. Not a good song.

As for the track lengths, more DT than DT.

I was never a fan of Blood Brothers until I saw it as the closer on the Book Of Souls tour.   It might have been the moment - last show of the tour, Brooklyn - but it brought the house down.  So good.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 19, 2021, 10:32:49 AM
The music video had that Japanese theme in it, so it's not completely out of no where, but all that hype and Belshazzars Feast... and none of that is relevant or am I missing something? The hints and nuggets seem to be somewhat confusing up to this press release. 

Anyway, the track titles seem interesting but wow those song lengths.... I hope this isn't a huge let down the way TFF was for me (with lots of Harris songs and the back end with all the longer ones).  Also the mentions of a couple songs being of a different style.  I'm wondering if that includes TWOTW?

Art work is not very interesting IMO.

I'm slightly concerned by this announcement, and the way it's been announced especially since this has been planned for so long now.  I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I'm skeptical as to how good it will be.

I know Maiden is huge for you, and you and I usually see eye-to-eye on all things Maiden, but I'm on the opposite side of the fence on this one.  TFF has really grown on me a LOT (it may be my favorite reunion album) and while the single didn't scorch my undies, I liked it, and I LOVE the artwork here.  I'm not a big concert shirt guy anymore, but I usually get one from the Maiden shows I see, and I will most certainly be getting one from this tour.   No question.   I'm even debating more than one show on this tour, seeing as we're probably winding down with the long world tours for them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2021, 10:36:55 AM
The music video had that Japanese theme in it, so it's not completely out of no where, but all that hype and Belshazzars Feast... and none of that is relevant or am I missing something? The hints and nuggets seem to be somewhat confusing up to this press release. 

Anyway, the track titles seem interesting but wow those song lengths.... I hope this isn't a huge let down the way TFF was for me (with lots of Harris songs and the back end with all the longer ones).  Also the mentions of a couple songs being of a different style.  I'm wondering if that includes TWOTW?

Art work is not very interesting IMO.

I'm slightly concerned by this announcement, and the way it's been announced especially since this has been planned for so long now.  I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I'm skeptical as to how good it will be.

I know Maiden is huge for you, and you and I usually see eye-to-eye on all things Maiden, but I'm on the opposite side of the fence on this one.  TFF has really grown on me a LOT (it may be my favorite reunion album) and while the single didn't scorch my undies, I liked it, and I LOVE the artwork here.  I'm not a big concert shirt guy anymore, but I usually get one from the Maiden shows I see, and I will most certainly be getting one from this tour.   No question.   I'm even debating more than one show on this tour, seeing as we're probably winding down with the long world tours for them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very excited for the new album and TWOTW has already really warmed up with me after the initial "ok this is different' feeling.  I'm just being cautiously optimistic here.  TFF still has not warmed up for me besides a few tracks.  It's easily my least listened to reunion era album.  As for a future tour, I'm wiht you on that.  I want to see them as many times as I can as we all know, TWOTW...  this is one reason why I even went to that Hartford show.  Besides the show being really good, who knows how many more opportunities there will be?  My friend who you met at the bar before the Brooklyn show and I are already talking about doing whatever necessary to be at their final show (I'm assuming to be in England).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 19, 2021, 11:20:28 AM
I was hoping the album title would be "Belshazzar's Feast".  They could have made an epic title track about the Medes/Persians overthrowing ancient Babylon. The artwork could be insane too.
I'm excited for the new album! I'm not bothered whatsoever about the long tracks. Perhaps Maiden is inspired by DT..  Bring it on!  🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 19, 2021, 11:46:31 AM
Lol that was a surprise, not the kind of title or story I had in mind but this sounds much better actually. I love the title and artwork!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2021, 11:48:40 AM
Check out this cover art: https://www.google.com/search?q=Leftfield+Rhythm+and+Stealth.&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA893CA894&sxsrf=ALeKk003wT_V-OKfeUgVAc6OxOyM-6zwbg:1626716703954&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj41qf61-_xAhUHH80KHe-eBk4Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=914#imgrc=PlYGA_m4OMj4JM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2021, 11:52:39 AM
"There’s also one or two songs which sound pretty different to our usual style, and I think Maiden fans will be surprised - in a good way, I hope!"

Any wild guessed at which ones those songs could be? I bet on Time Machine and Darkest Hour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2021, 11:54:26 AM
"There’s also one or two songs which sound pretty different to our usual style, and I think Maiden fans will be surprised - in a good way, I hope!"

Any wild guessed at which ones those songs could be? I bet on Time Machine and Darkest Hour.

 I'm hoping he's not considering TWOTW to be one of them. It's different from their usual output, and I think it sounds great. If we have two more tracks that are diverse, that would be awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 19, 2021, 12:00:13 PM
Anyone that knows what the two japanese letters means?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 19, 2021, 12:07:59 PM
Check out this cover art: https://www.google.com/search?q=Leftfield+Rhythm+and+Stealth.&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA893CA894&sxsrf=ALeKk003wT_V-OKfeUgVAc6OxOyM-6zwbg:1626716703954&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj41qf61-_xAhUHH80KHe-eBk4Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=914#imgrc=PlYGA_m4OMj4JM
The new Maiden cover is similar but miles better than that!  At least they didn't use stock images, a'la Hugh Syme..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Skeever on July 19, 2021, 12:20:39 PM
Anyone that knows what the two japanese letters means?

I'll give you one guess...








But yes it says "Senjutsu" which just means the art of war.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 19, 2021, 12:25:01 PM
Anyone that knows what the two japanese letters means?

I'll give you one guess...








But yes it says "Senjutsu" which just means the art of war.
So you have Senjutsu to the left and then the same to the right but in japanese?

That was a bit...anticlimactic  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 19, 2021, 12:26:12 PM
Anyone that knows what the two japanese letters means?

I'll give you one guess...



But yes it says "Senjutsu" which just means the art of war.

Right.

Kanji: 戦術
Romaji: senjutsu

https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/jpvocab2017-n1s.jpg
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 19, 2021, 12:29:12 PM

So you have Senjutsu to the left and then the same to the right but in japanese?

That was a bit...anticlimactic  :lol

Both are in Japanese, the one on the left has only been transliterated into the Latin alphabet.

It's even more anticlimactic.   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 19, 2021, 12:53:02 PM
"There’s also one or two songs which sound pretty different to our usual style, and I think Maiden fans will be surprised - in a good way, I hope!"

Any wild guessed at which ones those songs could be? I bet on Time Machine and Darkest Hour.

 I'm hoping he's not considering TWOTW to be one of them. It's different from their usual output, and I think it sounds great. If we have two more tracks that are diverse, that would be awesome.

In general Maiden tends to be pretty safe with first singles, so I think we're probably safe here. The fact that this single caught people by surprise actually indicates to me that this might be a pretty surprising album. Just think about it in comparison to the last few initial singles: Speed of Light, the most by-the-book 21st century Maiden rocker; El Dorado, a mid-length with a prominently featured galloping bassline; The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg, a mid-tempo rocker with a slow intro; Wildest Dreams, The Wicker Man Part 2.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on July 19, 2021, 12:58:11 PM
Kind of cool album cover, but I think it could have benefited from other stuff going on in the background. Samurai Eddie is something they haven't done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2021, 01:02:42 PM
Kind of cool album cover, but I think it could have benefited from other stuff going on in the background. Samurai Eddie is something they haven't done.

 Eddie did cultural appropriation before the term was even invented!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 19, 2021, 01:24:53 PM
The music video had that Japanese theme in it, so it's not completely out of no where, but all that hype and Belshazzars Feast... and none of that is relevant or am I missing something? The hints and nuggets seem to be somewhat confusing up to this press release. 

Anyway, the track titles seem interesting but wow those song lengths.... I hope this isn't a huge let down the way TFF was for me (with lots of Harris songs and the back end with all the longer ones).  Also the mentions of a couple songs being of a different style.  I'm wondering if that includes TWOTW?

Art work is not very interesting IMO.

I'm slightly concerned by this announcement, and the way it's been announced especially since this has been planned for so long now.  I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I'm skeptical as to how good it will be.

I know Maiden is huge for you, and you and I usually see eye-to-eye on all things Maiden, but I'm on the opposite side of the fence on this one.  TFF has really grown on me a LOT (it may be my favorite reunion album) and while the single didn't scorch my undies, I liked it, and I LOVE the artwork here.  I'm not a big concert shirt guy anymore, but I usually get one from the Maiden shows I see, and I will most certainly be getting one from this tour.   No question.   I'm even debating more than one show on this tour, seeing as we're probably winding down with the long world tours for them.


If they made another record that sounds like The Final Frontier I'd be a happy camper for sure.  It's my second favorite of the reunion albums (AMOLAD is my favorite reunion album).  And I tend to like Harris's songs the most so  :metal

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 19, 2021, 01:33:31 PM
I'd be over the moon if they made another album like TFF, my favorite Maiden album.

It's easy to make fun of Steve's songwriting style, especially his penchant for, well, "no more lies no more lies no more lies no more lies no more lies no more lies no more lies no more lies." But yeah, he wrote For the Greater Good of God, and even with the repetitive chorus in that one, it's hard to argue with. Plus, on the last few albums, he seems to have gotten away from that tendency. Only did it once on The Final Frontier (the final frontier, the final frontier, the final frontier...), and not at all on TBoS. So here's hoping!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 19, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
I'm ready to sing:

Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World

Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World

 :metal :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 19, 2021, 01:40:36 PM
The music video had that Japanese theme in it, so it's not completely out of no where, but all that hype and Belshazzars Feast... and none of that is relevant or am I missing something? The hints and nuggets seem to be somewhat confusing up to this press release.  .

They were relevant to the single's marketing. People who assumed it would also have relevance to the album as a whole.

In the countdown after the single's release, references to WOTW or Belshazzar were dropped.

The covers of TFF and TBOS referenced a Japanese theme. That's why I wasn't totally surprised by the album cover and title.

I could completely see this marketing now.

By releasing touched up Album Covers with the Belshazzar Feast poster on them, it's like a call to the Eddy's on the album covers to come to the feast. They do arrive, riding their way in, and demolishing whom I am assuming is Belshazzar.

The video also revealed the new awesome Samurai Eddy. Giving us a hint to the new album.

I am very interested in how they will incorporate Samurai Eddy live.


Holy fuck that came out of nowhere!

Cover art is beautiful, but after a big close up of Eddie on black for The Book of Souls, I expected something different.

Also:

8. Death Of The Celts (Harris) 10:20
9. The Parchment (Harris) 12:39
10. Hell On Earth (Harris) 11:19


Three +10 minutes Harris songs in a row? gods save us  :D

I'm ready to sing:

Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World

Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World
Lost in a Lost World

 :metal :rollin


 :rollin

We'll probably be getting three of these in a row with the Harris songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2021, 01:48:45 PM
The music video had that Japanese theme in it, so it's not completely out of no where, but all that hype and Belshazzars Feast... and none of that is relevant or am I missing something? The hints and nuggets seem to be somewhat confusing up to this press release. 

Anyway, the track titles seem interesting but wow those song lengths.... I hope this isn't a huge let down the way TFF was for me (with lots of Harris songs and the back end with all the longer ones).  Also the mentions of a couple songs being of a different style.  I'm wondering if that includes TWOTW?

Art work is not very interesting IMO.

I'm slightly concerned by this announcement, and the way it's been announced especially since this has been planned for so long now.  I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I'm skeptical as to how good it will be.

I know Maiden is huge for you, and you and I usually see eye-to-eye on all things Maiden, but I'm on the opposite side of the fence on this one.  TFF has really grown on me a LOT (it may be my favorite reunion album) and while the single didn't scorch my undies, I liked it, and I LOVE the artwork here.  I'm not a big concert shirt guy anymore, but I usually get one from the Maiden shows I see, and I will most certainly be getting one from this tour.   No question.   I'm even debating more than one show on this tour, seeing as we're probably winding down with the long world tours for them.


If they made another record that sounds like The Final Frontier I'd be a happy camper for sure.  It's my second favorite of the reunion albums (AMOLAD is my favorite reunion album).  And I tend to like Harris's songs the most so  :metal

I'm willing to concede that AMOLAD is their best Reunion Era album, but TFF is my favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on July 19, 2021, 02:16:27 PM
About the cover, amazing one IMO! Even the black in the back isn't monotonous, it has some shade of green in places. Eddie looks truly menacing, which surprisingly I think it's rare in a Maiden cover. And, the Maiden logo looks truly beautiful this time!
I think the Eddie on TBOS really needs a background image, but not this one, because the artwork this time is much much stronger.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on July 19, 2021, 02:20:22 PM

So you have Senjutsu to the left and then the same to the right but in japanese?

That was a bit...anticlimactic  :lol

Both are in Japanese, the one on the left has only been transliterated into the Latin alphabet.

It's even more anticlimactic.   :lol

... and I hope this isn't a bad sign that there will be a LOT of repetitions in songs lyrics! ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
I must say that these are some bad ass song titles.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on July 19, 2021, 02:47:06 PM
I'm super excited and hopes this bodes well for a US tour in 2022!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
I must say that these are some bad ass song titles.

Agreed

I'm super excited and hopes this bodes well for a US tour in 2022!  :metal

Hope so too!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RMGadelha on July 19, 2021, 02:54:34 PM
I love the cover, I love the track lengths and I love the fact that the promo cycle lasts for less than two months! Hopefully it'll be the same for DT15.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 19, 2021, 02:59:39 PM
I will PROBABLY get this album in a few weeks. Hoping to get an interview with one of them as well - that would be one of the few interviews that would get me out of my retirement from music writing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 19, 2021, 03:06:53 PM
I will PROBABLY get this album in a few weeks. Hoping to get an interview with one of them as well - that would be one of the few interviews that would get me out of my retirement from music writing.

 :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 19, 2021, 03:08:56 PM
That tracklist and song lengths have me excited truthfully.  Some awesome song titles too.  No Dave is a shame but 2 Gers songs is welcome.  I'm actually really excited for all the Harris tracks.  At least means some classic Maiden trademarks and he can write an epic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 19, 2021, 03:09:51 PM
I love the cover, I love the track lengths and I love the fact that the promo cycle lasts for less than two months! Hopefully it'll be the same for DT15.

Yeah, just under 6 weeks til release, surprising it's so near.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on July 19, 2021, 03:14:52 PM
Over the next couple weeks, if anybody sees a good deal on the CD, please post it. I've been working so many hours lately that I have no time to shop around.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2021, 04:49:36 PM
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/UniGBwzMuqGg94X3tFMFXU-970-80.jpg.webp) (https://timemusic.cz/3626-large_default/leftfield-rhythm-and-stealth-2lp.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2021, 04:51:21 PM
Check out this cover art: https://www.google.com/search?q=Leftfield+Rhythm+and+Stealth.&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA893CA894&sxsrf=ALeKk003wT_V-OKfeUgVAc6OxOyM-6zwbg:1626716703954&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj41qf61-_xAhUHH80KHe-eBk4Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=914#imgrc=PlYGA_m4OMj4JM

You beat me to it ! I love Leftfield.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nel on July 19, 2021, 05:03:36 PM
It'd be interesting to see if there will be any alternative art off this album cover, as was the case of TBOS instead of the boring black background.

Heeey, props for the alt art. I'm using the middle one now. The black backgrounds are so boring. Especially when we had art like the tour poster's. This would have been an excellent cover. We don't have enough *green* Iron Maiden album arts.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/72/04/9d7204de37b1cdf308e30809dfd66b7b.jpg)

EDIT: This is about as close as I'm going to get to what I wanted, barring those black bars on the top and bottom.

(https://i.redd.it/ssmu1hka3as51.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 19, 2021, 05:54:25 PM
I love the cover and the album title personally.  Hoping for some heavy stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on July 19, 2021, 06:07:43 PM
I’ll admit, when I was a kid, I thought album covers like Killers were cool. But IDK…I kinda liked the more “sci-fi” and/or more subtle approach to Eddie’s scary factor.

I just feel like this artwork and the last album have cranked up the gore factor to Fangoria levels, and I’m just not into that anymore.

I like my horror more like Hitchcock and less like Saw.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2021, 06:37:48 PM
I like my horror more like Hitchcock and less like Saw.

But it's not a saw, it's a sword. :P



I have to say, I love the red lettering of the band name.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on July 19, 2021, 06:52:19 PM
Really looking forward to the new album. Have to say that the album title and cover was nothing like I expected! I'm more of a fan of the more epic covers, with lots of background etc..this is just another version of The Book of Souls but probably better overall.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 19, 2021, 07:16:52 PM
Anyone know what the Blu-ray is all about?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2021, 07:19:26 PM
Anyone know what the Blu-ray is all about?

I'm sure there's more technical terms, but the Blu Ray is the next step up from a DVD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on July 19, 2021, 07:22:18 PM
Anyone know what the Blu-ray is all about?

I'm sure there's more technical terms, but the Blu Ray is the next step up from a DVD.

You are ON. FIRE. tonight!!!

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 19, 2021, 09:25:19 PM
Anyone know what the Blu-ray is all about?

I'm sure there's more technical terms, but the Blu Ray is the next step up from a DVD.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 19, 2021, 09:25:56 PM
I like my horror more like Hitchcock and less like Saw.

But it's not a saw, it's a sword. :P



I have to say, I love the red lettering of the band name.

Yeah, that's what got me, it looks lethal.  Love it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 19, 2021, 09:32:12 PM
Anyone know what the Blu-ray is all about?

I'm sure there's more technical terms, but the Blu Ray is the next step up from a DVD.
That sounds like something Mike Portnoy would say.  :lol
He has gotten smart alecky on his FB posts lately when responding to questions..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 20, 2021, 12:02:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/L6i7rlR.jpg)

I adjusted the brightness of the cover, and it's actually quite a lot of green in the background. Initially I thought it was pitch black, like TBOS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 20, 2021, 01:03:16 AM
Man, I'm really really liking that cover the more I look at it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on July 20, 2021, 01:15:52 AM
Anyone know what the Blu-ray is all about?

A wild guess would be high resolution surround sound audio.
KS recently got a Dolby Atmos set up installed in his Sydney studio.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 20, 2021, 03:19:17 AM
Wait, did people actually think the background was black? You can see that green from outer space!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on July 20, 2021, 03:22:28 AM
Wait, did people actually think the background was black? You can see that green from outer space!

+1

And I have a pretty bad eyesight. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 20, 2021, 04:46:59 AM
Stupid and silly, and also pointless, guessing game about the songs and how they could be like.


01." Senjutsu" (8:20) Smith/Harris

This is gonna be a "false epic" like If Eternity Should Fail. Relatively simple song, but taken to 8 minutes by an intro and a long solo. The opening title track is always relatively straightforward, see Caught Somewhere in Time.

02. "Stratego" (4:59) Gers/Harris

Single-ish kind of song, like Speed of Light, this is gonna be short and relatively fun.

03. "The Writing On The Wall" (6:13) Smith/Dickinson

Something tells me this might be a mid tempo, don't know why  :biggrin:

04. "Lost In A Lost World" (9:31) Harris

The first Harris epic, this is gonna be the one most in his style, the No more Lies but longer, kinda like Longest Day. And yes, the chorus is going to be "Lost in a lost world" x4, if not 8.

05. "Days Of Future Past" (4:03) Smith/Dickinson

Another fast song, not as single-ish like Stratego, more like The Alchemist or Death or Glory.

06. "The Time Machine" (7:09) Gers/Harris

The "Starblind" of the album, an unusual and weird mid tempo song.

07. "Darkest Hour" (7:20) Smith/Dickinson

Another surprise, a song relatively simple, but yet epic and bombastic.

08. "Death Of The Celts" (10:20) Harris

Isle of Avalon part II, this is gonna have a strong celtic influence, a bit of Clansman also in there.

09. "The Parchment" (12:39) Harris

This one will definitively have a long acoustic intro like The Talisman, and a quite long solo section.

10. "Hell On Earth" (11:19) Harris

The "Legacy" of the album, a pessimistic song that will end up with a glimmer of hope, in a bombastic and memorable manner. I know it's 10 years if not more that we're bracing for their retirement and they still go on, but they must know that any day is a gift now, they'll want to end their possibly last album in a memorable way just in case.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on July 20, 2021, 06:47:34 AM
01." Senjutsu" (8:20) Smith/Harris

Disco track with a flavour of the orient.

02. "Stratego" (4:59) Gers/Harris

About the board game 'Stratego' with a chorus about capturing the enemy flag.

04. "Lost In A Lost World" (9:31) Harris

Sequel or Prequel to 'Stranger in a Strange Land'

05. "Days Of Future Past" (4:03) Smith/Dickinson

About Sentinels hunting and killing mutants.

06. "The Time Machine" (7:09) Gers/Harris

About a Mutant going back in time to stop the creation of the Sentinels.

07. "Darkest Hour" (7:20) Smith/Dickinson

Churchill's 'Darkest Hour' speech about the collapse of France in the war - this will be an upbeat comedy song.

08. "Death Of The Celts" (10:20) Harris

A simple 10 minute chant sung by Rangers fans.

09. "The Parchment" (12:39) Harris

Paper, Paper everywhere not a pen to write...

10. "Hell On Earth" (11:19) Harris

About the success of Ed Sheeran and what that means for the planet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on July 20, 2021, 07:09:19 AM
"Bruce continues, “We’re all really excited about this album. We recorded it back in early 2019 during a break in the Legacy tour so we could maximize our touring yet still have a long set up period before release to prepare great album art and something special as a video. Of course the pandemic delayed things more - so much for the best laid plans – or should that be ‘strategies’!?  The songs are very varied, and some of them are quite long. There’s also one or two songs which sound pretty different to our usual style, and I think Maiden fans will be surprised - in a good way, I hope!“"

I wonder if TWOTW is one ot those songs (I think so). Personally I would love to hear another song as different to them as Empire of the Clouds.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2021, 07:43:34 AM
Anyone know what the Blu-ray is all about?

I'm sure there's more technical terms, but the Blu Ray is the next step up from a DVD.

Where's that facepalm gif?  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 20, 2021, 07:44:11 AM
Man, I'm really really liking that cover the more I look at it.

I'm LOVING that cover.  I think it was TAC that said it but I agree:  that lettering of the logo is probably the best of their career.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 20, 2021, 08:06:20 AM
Is that all that Belshazzar Feast thing was? A teaser for the video? I thought it would be the album title, I was thinking what a silly title, but it's better than "Senjutsu"...

Somebody post a picture of Comic Book Guy with a "Worst. Album. Title. Ever." caption...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 20, 2021, 08:20:48 AM
Is that all that Belshazzar Feast thing was? A teaser for the video? I thought it would be the album title, I was thinking what a silly title, but it's better than "Senjutsu"...

Somebody post a picture of Comic Book Guy with a "Worst. Album. Title. Ever." caption...

It's an awesome album title when you know what Senjutsu is....

And yes, we know now it was a teaser for the video. Not the bands fault people assumed Belshazzar's Feast was anything more.

It did its job and got people talking about Maiden and invested in seeing what the hype is about. Which is all it was in the end, marketing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Melphina on July 20, 2021, 08:22:49 AM
That album art is kind of boring, but it's just a bit better than Book of Souls. What's with Maiden's penchant for cheap animation? Can we get a live music video or is that not in the budget?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 20, 2021, 08:30:55 AM
It is my assumption that the album covers got slightly oversaturated with details over the years, culminating in The Final Frontier. The fans were absolutely ready to see something simpler, and I guess the band felt so as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 20, 2021, 08:36:26 AM
I remember looking at the Somewhere In Time cover, and trying to find all the nuggets. Good times.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on July 20, 2021, 08:40:09 AM
It is my assumption that the album covers got slightly oversaturated with details over the years, culminating in The Final Frontier. The fans were absolutely ready to see something simpler, and I guess the band felt so as well.

Didn't the artist of The Final Frontier say that isn't Eddie on the cover? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Melphina on July 20, 2021, 08:41:38 AM
It is my assumption that the album covers got slightly oversaturated with details over the years, culminating in The Final Frontier. The fans were absolutely ready to see something simpler, and I guess the band felt so as well.

I'm down with simple, but not boring. Oh well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2021, 08:46:29 AM
I like this Eddie and I like the font for the album, I just don't like the bare background.  At the end of the day, it's really not that important IMO.  Kind of similar to the song titles and lengths, it doesn't really matter.  The quality of the music is all that matters.  It is fun to talk about though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 20, 2021, 09:10:57 AM
Probably because of the change in the way music is consumed.

Covers like Powerslave or Somewhere in Time work well on vinyl, for the sake of size. It's worth saying the same for covers like AMoLaD which looks much better in large size seen on the computer than in the CD booklet.

Considering the current times, where music is mostly consumed in digital media, I believe this may interfere with the decision to focus only on Eddie, as the band's iconographic symbol, and therefore the sacrifice of background details.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Yeah, I remember being a kid and buying plenty of albums from browsing the CD store and just being caught by the album artwork.  Even the classic IM albums like Powerslave had such intriguing artwork.  I do think the way we consume music today has an effect on that.  Also, for digital, we can just replace the artwork with something we like. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on July 20, 2021, 09:37:29 AM
Pictures of various formats:
http://www.ironmaiden666.com.br/2021/07/senjutsu-confira-detalhes-do-boxset.html?fbclid=IwAR0rk_j-YVYfaKCqY3HPdzeqnxez0ugSoMrK3M6wyVe34kBzZwW-oECM5S4
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2021, 09:46:04 AM
In all seriousness, I am wondering what is on the blu-ray.  If it contains any live videos, it may make me get it.  But based on the picture in that link, it looks like it may be the music video for TWOTW.  Which would be a huge pass for me and I'll just get the standard CD version.  I usually don't even buy CDs anymore, but for IM I will.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 20, 2021, 09:50:38 AM
Pictures of various formats:
http://www.ironmaiden666.com.br/2021/07/senjutsu-confira-detalhes-do-boxset.html?fbclid=IwAR0rk_j-YVYfaKCqY3HPdzeqnxez0ugSoMrK3M6wyVe34kBzZwW-oECM5S4

Looks like the 2 CD "book" will make a nice pair with the Book of Souls one....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 20, 2021, 11:28:01 AM
There's a limited edition, available for fan club members only, with a wooden, handcrafted box. AMAZING.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2021, 11:36:40 AM
There's a limited edition, available for fan club members only, with a wooden, handcrafted box. AMAZING.

Oh that's cool, do you know the price and relevant info for that?  I let my membership slide.  Usually renew when they announce a US tour (which I plan on doing again) but if this is something really good, it could get me to renew now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 20, 2021, 11:41:31 AM
I remember looking at the Somewhere In Time cover, and trying to find all the nuggets. Good times.
Yea me too, I remember as a kid borrowing my older friends entire CD and Vinyl collection of Maiden albums and just spent hours trying to find all the little things and of course Riggs symbol, good times.

It kind of surprise me that Maiden didn't catch that over the years, seems like that was a popular thing among their albums compared to others.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 20, 2021, 12:05:08 PM
There's a limited edition, available for fan club members only, with a wooden, handcrafted box. AMAZING.

Oh that's cool, do you know the price and relevant info for that?  I let my membership slide.  Usually renew when they announce a US tour (which I plan on doing again) but if this is something really good, it could get me to renew now.

As per my friend who's a member of the fan club, it hasn't been announced yet. I am EAGERLY awaiting for the songs to be shared with us, so that I can give you guys my first impressions!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on July 20, 2021, 12:28:50 PM
There's a limited edition, available for fan club members only, with a wooden, handcrafted box. AMAZING.

Oh that's cool, do you know the price and relevant info for that?  I let my membership slide.  Usually renew when they announce a US tour (which I plan on doing again) but if this is something really good, it could get me to renew now.

As per my friend who's a member of the fan club, it hasn't been announced yet. I am EAGERLY awaiting for the songs to be shared with us, so that I can give you guys my first impressions!

Yeah I only really care about the music. And as a personal preference..more songs with all 3 guitarists taking solos please!  Doesn't happen as often as you'd expect from a 3 guitar band. Hopefully, lots of long tunes from Steve bodes well on this front.  Look forward to hearing your 1st impressions.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 20, 2021, 11:29:24 PM
Preorders for the deluxe box over here coming in between $200-$210.  That's ridiculous!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 21, 2021, 01:39:59 AM
Urgh, it's in a digipack rather than a jewel case. Digipacks are nice, but they wear out and get tatty far too quickly. You can always replace a jewel case when it breaks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 21, 2021, 02:59:06 AM
I'm still waiting for it to come up on their website. I'll probably preorder the digipak, although I also wish it were the jewel case.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2021, 04:07:31 AM
"Writing On The Wall" is the first Iron Maiden song I actually liked.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 21, 2021, 05:06:15 AM
"Writing On The Wall" is the first Iron Maiden song I actually liked.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 21, 2021, 05:22:29 AM
"Writing On The Wall" is the first Iron Maiden song I actually liked.

First Iron Maiden song you've heard then?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 21, 2021, 05:36:06 AM
"Writing On The Wall" is the first Iron Maiden song I actually liked.
(https://i.imgur.com/vTP1eIQ.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 21, 2021, 06:00:44 AM
"Writing On The Wall" is the first Iron Maiden song I actually liked.
It is THE most recent Iron Maiden song I liked.. 🤘 😁🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 21, 2021, 07:18:33 AM
Pre-Orders now being taken at Amazon.com for the deluxe Media Book 2 CD set (https://www.amazon.com/Senjutsu-2CD-Deluxe-Mediabook-Limited/dp/B099TS4S97/ref=sr_1_5?ascsubtag=loudersound-us-1315759251151442700-20&dchild=1&geniuslink=true&keywords=Iron+Maiden%3A+Senjutsu&qid=1626873402&sr=8-5)


Ordered mine  :hat
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 21, 2021, 07:20:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/tQ0H5UJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/1zVx7vq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/TvbSLbF.jpg)

I just stumbled upon some creative fan art  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 21, 2021, 07:26:08 AM
Order on Ironmaiden.com (https://666.ironmaiden.com/collections/senjutsu)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 21, 2021, 07:28:57 AM
So, yeah, being the hard-core life-long Iron Maiden fan that I am, I bought the special edition from Amazon AND the Box Set from Iron Maiden  :hat



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 21, 2021, 07:58:47 AM
"Writing On The Wall" is the first Iron Maiden song I actually liked.

 Here's an album for you then: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/coldplay-music-of-the-spheres-1199467/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 21, 2021, 09:00:13 AM
What, in your estimation, does it say about me that I'm excited for both new Iron Maiden and new Coldplay?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 21, 2021, 09:01:43 AM
 VERY cool Bruce interview, with snippets of the lyrics of the new album: https://www.kerrang.com/features/uncover-the-secrets-of-iron-maiden-new-album-senjutsu-only-interview/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 21, 2021, 09:04:36 AM
Wow.  I sort of upped my Maiden game.  I only went with the 2CD Digipack (from Amazon), but from Ironmaiden.com, I joined the fan club and bought the album t-shirt.  Unusual for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 21, 2021, 09:44:44 AM
"Writing On The Wall" is the first Iron Maiden song I actually liked.

 Here's an album for you then: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/coldplay-music-of-the-spheres-1199467/
What a surprising way to find out that Coldplay is releasing an album. Thanks, I'm actually looking forward to this one.  ;D

By the way, can the CD be purchased via band's website? All it says is "available everywhere", yet it doesn't look like it's available on their site:

https://www.ironmaiden.com/senjutsu
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on July 21, 2021, 09:55:00 AM
VERY cool Bruce interview, with snippets of the lyrics of the new album: https://www.kerrang.com/features/uncover-the-secrets-of-iron-maiden-new-album-senjutsu-only-interview/

Love this paragraph:

“I’m not sure what war [though],” he continues. ​“I looked at the lyrics and I thought, ​‘This sounds like someone’s been binge-watching Game Of Thrones!’ There’s northern people coming down from the grasslands, there’s a wall, and they’ve got to protect the wall at all costs… I said, ​‘Are you talking about the Great Wall Of China here? In which case we’re mixing our metaphors a lot.’ And Steve went, ​‘No, not the Great Wall Of China. It’s just a wall.’
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 21, 2021, 10:10:42 AM
 :lol

Maiden could rock the shit out of a song about Game of Thrones!   That was a great interview.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 21, 2021, 11:11:21 AM
My midday 12km run was PERFECTLY timed to The Final Frontier.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 21, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
My midday 12km run was PERFECTLY timed to The Final Frontier.

Yeah, but for me, it'd be the song.  :lol

I assume you meant the whole album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 21, 2021, 11:41:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/tQ0H5UJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/1zVx7vq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/TvbSLbF.jpg)

I just stumbled upon some creative fan art  ;D
Wow, the first one is awesome!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 21, 2021, 11:51:09 AM
Things began appearing on the internet, like a Twitter account, @bels_feast, which only followed 16 accounts (the number of albums Maiden have done), all punning on titles. The Killers was an obvious nod to the band’s second album; We Rate Dogs for The Number Of The Beast was genius.

Can someone explain it to me? 'cause I don't get the connection, apparently I'm not a genius.

[Samurai Eddie] He ties in with its title-track, a Japanese word that roughly means ‘strategy and tactics’, or ‘the art of war’

I mean, I'm fine with Senjutsu, but if I wanted to think of the album in another way, I'd rather think of it as "The Art of War" rather than "Strategy and Tactics".

It’s a really amazing record. It probably wants to be played in its entirety live.

Do they really want a rerun of the "Play classics" thing?  :D I mean, if the album is good, ok, but it's 80 minutes and counting, already playing Matter left only two songs - the usual ones, Fear of the Dark and Iron Maiden - before the encores, this one is even longer....?

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 21, 2021, 11:51:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TvbSLbF.jpg)

I just stumbled upon some creative fan art  ;D
That should be the cover for the single along with "Listen with Nicko part 2"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 21, 2021, 11:56:41 AM
I went to the Legacy tour, and got all the classics.  Obviously, it will depend if I like it or not, but based on recent high level of output by the band, if they wanted to play this one in it's entirely, I'd go.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 21, 2021, 12:03:30 PM
I really think they just will not in the United States, unfortunately. They had such problems with the reception here on the AMOLAD tour that I really doubt they'll try that again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 21, 2021, 12:04:19 PM
Still pissed I missed that show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 21, 2021, 12:25:06 PM
I really think they just will not in the United States, unfortunately. They had such problems with the reception here on the AMOLAD tour that I really doubt they'll try that again.

Well, I was one of those. Best seats I ever had for a Maiden show and they do that. I'm not against the playing of a full album, just not that one. Had it been BNW or Dance of Death even, I would not have thrown a fit like I did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2021, 12:28:01 PM
I'd totally go to a show of playing the full new album live, but I've got to hear it before I say if I would really want them to do that or not.  AMOLAD is my favorite IM album so I'm really happy I got to see it live, but yeah.... the crowd reaction overall was not nearly as happy as I was.  I don't really see them doing this album in full regardless.  It's just too long and they already did a full album tour before so I'm not sure they would feel compelled to do so again (unless this truly is a masterpiece album).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 21, 2021, 12:28:35 PM
I really think they just will not in the United States, unfortunately. They had such problems with the reception here on the AMOLAD tour that I really doubt they'll try that again.

Remember Bruce tearing up that poster that said "play the classics"?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2021, 12:31:40 PM
I've got to imagine they will play at least 1 song if not a few during the rescheduled Legacy of the Beast tour though.  Similar to how they played El Durado in the US on the TFF first leg of the tour in the US, but nothing else from TFF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 21, 2021, 12:33:40 PM
Super Deluxe is too expensive and the Blu-ray is just around Writing on the Walls. Pass.

Media Book is where it's at for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 21, 2021, 01:05:19 PM
Still pissed I missed that show.


I had tickets and it was back when I lived 1/2 a mile from the venue.  IIRC the album had JUST been released when they came around and when I heard they were just doing "the new album start to finish and that's it" I sold my tickets to my neighbor who took his son to see his first concert and they came back and said "it was incredible" and I was like  :facepalm: 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 21, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
My view is that if you're going to a concert on the "*album title* tour," you should expect to hear anywhere from a few songs off that album to the full thing. So I actually consider playing only one song from TFF on the TFF tour to be an instance of the show not really matching the advertising, while hearing all of AMOLAD on the AMOLAD tour is something the audience should have seen as a possibility when they bought their tickets.

The sad thing about Maiden's approach to setlists is that they literally never play any song that wasn't played on the album tour. So, for example, the five songs from The Final Frontier that weren't played on the TFF tour are simply off the table for any live performance ever. That makes me really want them to always play the full album on its tour, whereas with other bands I would be more inclined to say I'm okay with them performing part of it and then maybe coming back to some of the songs they missed later.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 21, 2021, 01:31:49 PM
Still pissed I missed that show.


I had tickets and it was back when I lived 1/2 a mile from the venue.  IIRC the album had JUST been released when they came around and when I heard they were just doing "the new album start to finish and that's it" I sold my tickets to my neighbor who took his son to see his first concert and they came back and said "it was incredible" and I was like  :facepalm:


My memory tells me that AMOLAD and Score were released on the same day in late August/early September. I bought Score and waited for my birthday at the end of September to get AMOLAD. I think they played in Boston on the 6th of October, but we were leaving very early in the morning on the day of the show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2021, 01:52:11 PM
My view is that if you're going to a concert on the "*album title* tour," you should expect to hear anywhere from a few songs off that album to the full thing. So I actually consider playing only one song from TFF on the TFF tour to be an instance of the show not really matching the advertising, while hearing all of AMOLAD on the AMOLAD tour is something the audience should have seen as a possibility when they bought their tickets.

The sad thing about Maiden's approach to setlists is that they literally never play any song that wasn't played on the album tour. So, for example, the five songs from The Final Frontier that weren't played on the TFF tour are simply off the table for any live performance ever. That makes me really want them to always play the full album on its tour, whereas with other bands I would be more inclined to say I'm okay with them performing part of it and then maybe coming back to some of the songs they missed later.

If I recall, I think that first leg of TFF was before the album came out.  Personally, since TFF was not one of my favorite IM albums, I think that setlist was bangin since it was heavy on the reunion era and we still got at least the single from TFF.

As to your second point, I hate how that has become a standard for IM.  It's such a shame that theres so many quality songs they will never play.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on July 21, 2021, 01:54:26 PM
This guy is great with the Maiden songs
https://youtu.be/pDvA7KqoHqE
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 21, 2021, 03:06:13 PM
If I recall, I think that first leg of TFF was before the album came out.  Personally, since TFF was not one of my favorite IM albums, I think that setlist was bangin since it was heavy on the reunion era and we still got at least the single from TFF.

I think you're right, now that you mention it, which does change how I'd evaluate that.

But TFF is my very favorite Maiden album, so there's a disagreement for you.


As to your second point, I hate how that has become a standard for IM.  It's such a shame that theres so many quality songs they will never play.

What's weird is that, as near as I can tell, that is an absolute rule that has held ever since they started releasing albums. Which is why I've always thought that the people clamoring for Alexander the Great are never going to get what they want. For whatever reason, I think that ship sailed in 1987.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2021, 03:09:32 PM
As to your second point, I hate how that has become a standard for IM.  It's such a shame that theres so many quality songs they will never play.

What's weird is that, as near as I can tell, that is an absolute rule that has held ever since they started releasing albums. Which is why I've always thought that the people clamoring for Alexander the Great are never going to get what they want. For whatever reason, I think that ship sailed in 1987.

Yeah, I wonder if it's like an actual rule within the band or just kind of the way things ended up happening.  I mean, there is some logic to it.  If they didn't think it would work well live then, why bother playing it later when they have such a huge catalog of music to choose from while also always making and performing the new music.  As for Alexander, I recall the band giving subtle hints about playing it which got people worked up with the idea.  If it weren't for that, I'm not sure why anyone would expect them to pull it out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 21, 2021, 03:20:31 PM
Maiden always had so many unwritten rules about their setlists that makes you wonder if they were actually written after all.

As far as they could, I believe up until 1995, they always played (at least) two tracks off the previous album on the next album tour, to give a kind of continuity. They hardly, if ever, recycled the opener for most of their carrer - once a song opened a show, it was bye bye to that song for the next tour (maybe Tailgunner is the sole exception until the reunion years). And definitively if a song doesn't make the live cut for its own album tour, it never gets a chance again.

They also had a lot of continuity and never fell into the "We play the mandatory three new songs and then all classics and screw the most recent era" trap that most big bands fall into. Up until The Final Frontier, any other album has been represented at least somehow in a following tour. The Final Frontier is the only album whose songs have been played live in the corresponding tour, and I believe The Book of Souls will suffer the same fate as well (unless they want us to cliiiimb like a monkeeeey again next tour). It's a miracle they lasted that long, as I said other band go into "classic albums, a couple of new songs and screw the rest" mode way, way earlier.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 21, 2021, 07:16:23 PM
As for Alexander, I recall the band giving subtle hints about playing it which got people worked up with the idea.  If it weren't for that, I'm not sure why anyone would expect them to pull it out.

I mean, I get why someone who didn't follow them closely enough to notice all these rules might expect them to do it, because I feel like a lot of bands would respond if there was a song that fans continually begged them to play. Like, if there was some specific Dream Theater song that a bunch of fans always asked them to play, I'd think there was a good chance they'd do it (I kind of feel like that was a factor in Space Dye Vest coming out once MP wasn't there with his objection). Even a band as big as Metallica has a history of doing this, including with songs that James Hetfield openly dislikes (Escape and Frayed Ends of Sanity).


Maiden always had so many unwritten rules about their setlists that makes you wonder if they were actually written after all.

As far as they could, I believe up until 1995, they always played (at least) two tracks off the previous album on the next album tour, to give a kind of continuity. They hardly, if ever, recycled the opener for most of their carrer - once a song opened a show, it was bye bye to that song for the next tour (maybe Tailgunner is the sole exception until the reunion years). And definitively if a song doesn't make the live cut for its own album tour, it never gets a chance again.

They also had a lot of continuity and never fell into the "We play the mandatory three new songs and then all classics and screw the most recent era" trap that most big bands fall into. Up until The Final Frontier, any other album has been represented at least somehow in a following tour. The Final Frontier is the only album whose songs have been played live in the corresponding tour, and I believe The Book of Souls will suffer the same fate as well (unless they want us to cliiiimb like a monkeeeey again next tour). It's a miracle they lasted that long, as I said other band go into "classic albums, a couple of new songs and screw the rest" mode way, way earlier.

I never noticed the "at least two songs from the previous album" trend, but that's a good point. I guess that's harder to maintain as your catalog grows, while the rule about not playing a song that didn't get played when it was first released is easier to maintain over time.

Good point about The Final Frontier. The BoS tour was during the low point of my Iron Maiden fandom, so I didn't pay close attention to that setlist, and I guess I wouldn't have expected it to come up in the Legacy of the Beast tour, especially after they'd already dedicated 20 minutes to the Blaze era and 9 minutes to AMOLAD. I really hope to see it come back somehow, although I don't know when and in what form that could happen. Maybe Coming Home slips in this time. My dream is The Talisman, but I'd put that at about a 0% chance of happening when the new album already has epic after epic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:21 PM
My only hope for this album is that those last 3 songs aren't "10+ minutes long just for the sake of being 10+ minutes-long" songs.  There have certainly been "epic" songs that could've benefitted greatly from a little extra editing. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 21, 2021, 07:32:18 PM
My only hope for this album is that those last 3 songs aren't "10+ minutes long just for the sake of being 10+ minutes-long" songs.  There have certainly been "epic" songs that could've benefitted greatly from a little extra editing.

Name ONE Maiden song over 10 minutes in the last 6 albums which didn't need some trimming.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on July 21, 2021, 07:54:04 PM
Anyone try listening to TWOTW at 1.25 speed? Sounds much better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 21, 2021, 07:59:23 PM
My only hope for this album is that those last 3 songs aren't "10+ minutes long just for the sake of being 10+ minutes-long" songs.  There have certainly been "epic" songs that could've benefitted greatly from a little extra editing.

Name ONE Maiden song over 10 minutes in the last 6 albums which didn't need some trimming.


When the Wild Wind Blows
The Book of Souls

That's half of them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 21, 2021, 08:07:43 PM
My only hope for this album is that those last 3 songs aren't "10+ minutes long just for the sake of being 10+ minutes-long" songs.  There have certainly been "epic" songs that could've benefitted greatly from a little extra editing.

Name ONE Maiden song over 10 minutes in the last 6 albums which didn't need some trimming.

The Book of Souls. That song is perfect.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 21, 2021, 08:54:41 PM
My only hope for this album is that those last 3 songs aren't "10+ minutes long just for the sake of being 10+ minutes-long" songs.  There have certainly been "epic" songs that could've benefitted greatly from a little extra editing.

Name ONE Maiden song over 10 minutes in the last 6 albums which didn't need some trimming.


When the Wild Wind Blows
The Book of Souls

That's half of them.

I respectfully disagree
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 21, 2021, 09:17:26 PM
Even TRATB.  That whole thing for me needs to be as long as it is.  Brilliant!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 21, 2021, 11:12:58 PM
Speaking of long songs, I have a hypothesis: I'm sure that if The Rime of the Ancient Mariner were from 2015 and not 1984, the number of people who would complain about the recitation of Coleridge's poem would be much higher.

But since it's a Powerslave song, people don't dare.

(When I was a kid and I heard the song for the first time, I was tremendously disappointed with the poem part, I could barely understand English. I had to become older to really enjoy it)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on July 22, 2021, 12:03:52 AM
My midday 12km run was PERFECTLY timed to The Final Frontier.

Yeah, but for me, it'd be the song.  :lol

I assume you meant the whole album.

You can run 12km in 9 minutes? Damn :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2021, 12:29:28 AM
Even TRATB.  That whole thing for me needs to be as long as it is.  Brilliant!

I'm on the fence about TRatB. The two I gave were the ones I think are absolute knock-down cases.

Really the only 10+ minute Maiden song that I definitely think could have been cut a bit is Empire. But I'm not really annoyed by its length, and I cut them significant slack since it's their first attempt at a song like that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 22, 2021, 04:23:20 AM
TRATB is perfect.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 22, 2021, 04:37:38 AM
Even TRATB.  That whole thing for me needs to be as long as it is.  Brilliant!

I'm on the fence about TRatB. The two I gave were the ones I think are absolute knock-down cases.

Really the only 10+ minute Maiden song that I definitely think could have been cut a bit is Empire. But I'm not really annoyed by its length, and I cut them significant slack since it's their first attempt at a song like that.


Empire of the Clouds is perfect and, as long as the solo section is, it makes thematic sense, since it symbolizes the storm growing stronger and stronger.

The first time I heard it I was already at the 15' mark and I was thinking "already? 15 minutes have already passed? only three remain?".... where do I have to sign to feel the same away about the likely 20 minutes song on the new DT album?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on July 22, 2021, 04:39:55 AM
Not on the last 6 albums but TROTAM could definitely be trimmed for me.  That poetry section in the middle goes on way too long imo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 22, 2021, 05:40:49 AM
TRATB is perfect.

Agreed
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2021, 06:00:39 AM
TRATB is perfect.

Agreed

Yep.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 22, 2021, 06:15:13 AM
My midday 12km run was PERFECTLY timed to The Final Frontier.

Yeah, but for me, it'd be the song.  :lol

I assume you meant the whole album.

You can run 12km in 9 minutes? Damn :lol

If I could, I'd be in Tokyo for the Olympics right now!  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on July 22, 2021, 06:28:09 AM
My only hope for this album is that those last 3 songs aren't "10+ minutes long just for the sake of being 10+ minutes-long" songs.  There have certainly been "epic" songs that could've benefitted greatly from a little extra editing.

Name ONE Maiden song over 10 minutes in the last 6 albums which didn't need some trimming.

The Red and the Black, at least the studio version.

Somehow the song magically comes to live and works a bit better in a live environment, but the studio version needed work.

EDIT: Oh. Wait, sorry, I completely misread that post! Honestly When the Wild Wind Blows and The Book of Souls didn't need any trimming IMO. I can't remember which other songs in the Reunion Era actually cross the 10 minute threshold, because most of the epics tend to average out around 9 minutes tops.

Empire of the Clouds could've maybe benefitted from some trimming, but it's such a different sort of endeavor from the band that I'm not sure if that'd be the right call or not. The only 10+ minute long song from the Reunion Era that I'm sure needed trimming was TRATB.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2021, 09:50:01 AM
EDIT: Oh. Wait, sorry, I completely misread that post! Honestly When the Wild Wind Blows and The Book of Souls didn't need any trimming IMO. I can't remember which other songs in the Reunion Era actually cross the 10 minute threshold, because most of the epics tend to average out around 9 minutes tops.

Sometimes people talk about it like there have been more, but pre-Senjutsu there have only been four in the Reunion Era, all of them on the last two albums: When the Wild Wind Blows, The Red and the Black, The Book of Souls and Empire of the Clouds.

Senjutsu will add three more: Death of the Celts, The Parchment and Hell on Earth.

In their entire career, there have only been two others: Rime of the Ancient Mariner and Sign of the Cross.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 22, 2021, 10:13:53 AM
Let me change the approach then...which songs from the album since their reunion do you think could have been cut from the official releases? For me:

Blood Brothers
Dream of Mirrors
The Mercenary
The Nomad

Gates of Tomorrow
New Frontier
Face in the Sand

Out of the Shadows (aka Tears of the Dragon part II)
The Pilgrim
Lord of Light
The Legacy

El Dorado
Mother of Mercy
The Man Who Would Be King

The Great Unknown
When the River Runs Deep
Shadows of the Valley
The Man of Sorrows
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on July 22, 2021, 10:41:58 AM
The Legacy is probably a top3 reunion song for me, the thought of cutting that is crazy to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on July 22, 2021, 11:18:32 AM
Let me change the approach then...which songs from the album since their reunion do you think could have been cut from the official releases? For me:

Blood Brothers
Dream of Mirrors
The Mercenary
The Nomad

Gates of Tomorrow
New Frontier
Face in the Sand

Out of the Shadows (aka Tears of the Dragon part II)
The Pilgrim
Lord of Light
The Legacy

El Dorado
Mother of Mercy
The Man Who Would Be King

The Great Unknown
When the River Runs Deep
Shadows of the Valley
The Man of Sorrows

Wow, Rodrigo, you were pretty extreme here! And some of the songs you listed are between my faves from reunion era!
To me, it would more of a question of editing some songs a bit and cut some of them, for a better flow of the albums and to have some interesting B-sides.

BNW
The Mercenary - just cut half of the bars from the chorus.
The Nomad - cut the orchestral part (and it's a case of plagiarism to me: from Becketts - Life's Shadow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JzzWam9wUI)
Blood Brothers - it's my less favourite, but still I wouldn't cut it from the album.

DOD
Gates of Tomorrow - cut.
Face in the Sand - cut just the first 30 seconds off the intro.

AMOLAD
These Colours Don't Run - cut.
The Reincarnation of Benjamim Bregg - cut all the intro. I would be great if it began with that great riff!

TFF
Satellite 15 (album intro) e  The Man Who Would Be KIng - cut.
When The Wild Wind Blows - I think it could benefit with some edition in the intro and at some places. I would cut the outro also.

TBOS
Shadows of the Valley - cut.

And I really would like that Maiden went back to the production values from Powerslave to Seventh Son. This is by far my main complain about the reunion era albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 22, 2021, 11:55:43 AM
What's all this talk about cutting songs off these albums. Somebody even said to cut Nomad. Really,, Seriously??  :facepalm: 
I sure am glad that Iron Maiden didn't listen to all these distant future opinions on DT forums. Good grief Charlie Brown!     :chill
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 22, 2021, 12:02:00 PM
Let me change the approach then...which songs from the album since their reunion do you think could have been cut from the official releases? For me:

Blood Brothers
Dream of Mirrors
The Mercenary
The Nomad

I'd keep Blood Brothers, Dream of Mirrors and The Nomad. I'm ok with cutting The Mercenary, and probably add the Fallen Angel to the list (I'd normally argue IM need more of these shorter/punchier songs in their recent albums, but these are just not very memorable). Dream of Mirrors is a bit of a wasted opportunity. The song had so much more potential (is it true this was a Blaze-era song, originally?), but it gets a bit lost in repetition and such.

Gates of Tomorrow
New Frontier
Face in the Sand

Dance of Death is my favorite reunion album but yes, these are probably the weakest. Don't know if I'd cut all of them.

Out of the Shadows (aka Tears of the Dragon part II)
The Pilgrim
Lord of Light
The Legacy

Don't disagree overall, except for The Pilgrim, which I really like.

El Dorado
Mother of Mercy
The Man Who Would Be King

I'd say cut Satellite 15...The Final Frontier too, at least the way it currently is. But I'd keep Mother of Mercy.

The Great Unknown
When the River Runs Deep
Shadows of the Valley
The Man of Sorrows

I generally agree. Both The Great Unknown and When the River have good moments musically and, again, I like that they are a bit shorter. But yes, Bruce is really strained in the former, and the chorus in the latter is not very good. However, I'd probably keep Shadows of the Valley, despite the homage to Wasted Years...

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 22, 2021, 12:50:34 PM
It's fine to not like every song as much as the better ones, but an album needs to be a full experience and well rounded up. Yeah, we'd all love the good ol' times of vynil and 45 minutes albums, those days are gone. Cut all those songs and you have weirdly paced albums without the necessary tracks to make it a rounder, more complete experience.

It's not that I disagree with everything, for example on an album full of long songs I could live without The Man who Would be King as well, but an album needs pacing also and removing so many songs kills that pacing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 22, 2021, 12:56:10 PM
My view is that if you're going to a concert on the "*album title* tour," you should expect to hear anywhere from a few songs off that album to the full thing.


Well, yeah, I agree with this.  I just wanted to hear more than just their new album.  Which is what they played that year.  Just A Matter of Life and Death, nothing else.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 22, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
My view is that if you're going to a concert on the "*album title* tour," you should expect to hear anywhere from a few songs off that album to the full thing.


Well, yeah, I agree with this.  I just wanted to hear more than just their new album.  Which is what they played that year.  Just A Matter of Life and Death, nothing else.

But they never played that album and "nothing else". They always played two songs to round out the set and three more as encores. It was a 15 songs show, with 10 from the new album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: BelichickFan on July 22, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
My view is that if you're going to a concert on the "*album title* tour," you should expect to hear anywhere from a few songs off that album to the full thing.


Well, yeah, I agree with this.  I just wanted to hear more than just their new album.  Which is what they played that year.  Just A Matter of Life and Death, nothing else.

Mostly but they added several classics at the end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2021, 01:57:12 PM
This whole line of discussion about cutting a bunch of songs from the reunion albums is just pure sacrilege to me. Face in the Sand? Lord of Light? The Man Who Would Be King? The Legacy, for God's sake, when that's a top 10 Iron Maiden song of all time?

I know it's all hypothetical, but I feel about that the same way 80s fans would feel if I said that Children of the Damned, Revelations, Powerslave, Alexander the Great and The Clairvoyant all should have been stuck in a box, never to see the light of day.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 22, 2021, 02:44:00 PM
This whole line of discussion about cutting a bunch of songs from the reunion albums is just pure sacrilege to me. Face in the Sand? Lord of Light? The Man Who Would Be King? The Legacy, for God's sake, when that's a top 10 Iron Maiden song of all time?

I know it's all hypothetical, but I feel about that the same way 80s fans would feel if I said that Children of the Damned, Revelations, Powerslave, Alexander the Great and The Clairvoyant all should have been stuck in a box, never to see the light of day.

This is obviously just for fun  :) My guess is this comes from the general perception (which you clearly don't agree with) that the reunion albums tend to be a bit bloated and over-long (both overall and within the songs themselves). Although this is obviously not just Maiden's issue these days. The older, "classic", albums are shorter - which of course doesn't mean they don't have their share of filler (and arguably a Maiden album wouldn't be a Maiden album without filler! Gangland, Sun and Steel, Quest for Fire, The Duellists...?)

Of course, none of the old songs you mentioned I would ever think of cutting, but that is probably your point  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2021, 02:54:56 PM
I mean, yeah, that's part of my point. I'd rank Face in the Sand third on DoD, Lord of Light third or fourth on AMOLAD, The Legacy second on AMOLAD, and TMWWBK fifth on TFF, which doesn't sound good until I add that my top three on TFF are all in my top six of the band's songs period. All four of those songs are top 30 Iron Maiden songs overall for me.

And I do disagree with the perception that the reunion albums are over-long. In fact, I think they have proportionally less filler than the 80s albums despite being longer. There is no Quest for Fire equivalent on any reunion album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 22, 2021, 03:11:23 PM
And I do disagree with the perception that the reunion albums are over-long. In fact, I think they have proportionally less filler than the 80s albums despite being longer. There is no Quest for Fire equivalent on any reunion album.

I do disagree with your disagreement, although not entirely  ;D For me, the "filler" in the reunion albums is sometimes within the songs themselves, which could in many instances be shorter (to be clear, I don't mind long songs at all! I'm a DT fan, after all  ;) it's just that I think many latter-day Maiden songs' lengths are not quite justified by their content)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 22, 2021, 03:19:36 PM

I'd rank Face in the Sand third on DoD


That's interesting! What are your favorite two songs on DoD?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2021, 03:45:05 PM
Paschendale is my favorite Iron Maiden song period, and then Dance of Death is second on the album and top 20 overall. Face in the Sand is around top 30.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 22, 2021, 03:46:40 PM
I mean, yeah, that's part of my point. I'd rank Face in the Sand third on DoD, Lord of Light third or fourth on AMOLAD, The Legacy second on AMOLAD, and TMWWBK fifth on TFF, which doesn't sound good until I add that my top three on TFF are all in my top six of the band's songs period. All four of those songs are top 30 Iron Maiden songs overall for me.

And I do disagree with the perception that the reunion albums are over-long. In fact, I think they have proportionally less filler than the 80s albums despite being longer. There is no Quest for Fire equivalent on any reunion album.

Boom.  Exactly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2021, 04:11:37 PM
I mean, yeah, that's part of my point. I'd rank Face in the Sand third on DoD, Lord of Light third or fourth on AMOLAD, The Legacy second on AMOLAD, and TMWWBK fifth on TFF, which doesn't sound good until I add that my top three on TFF are all in my top six of the band's songs period. All four of those songs are top 30 Iron Maiden songs overall for me.

And I do disagree with the perception that the reunion albums are over-long. In fact, I think they have proportionally less filler than the 80s albums despite being longer. There is no Quest for Fire equivalent on any reunion album.

Boom.  Exactly.

El Dorado would like a word with both of you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 22, 2021, 04:17:02 PM
"...When the land was swamp and caves WERE HOOOOME!!"

 :lol I love Quest For Fire for it's silliness.

In fact, I'd take it over TRATB, which everyone seems to love but to me is so Harris-by-numbers-complete-with-songalong-part that I can't bear it.

Face In The Sand is wonderful, afaic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on July 22, 2021, 04:18:58 PM
I don't feel the length on the first 3 reunion albums but The Final Frontier definitely has a couple - IMO that album is very backloaded and you gotta sit through a couple of forgettable songs to get to the great stuff, and Book of Souls which is 1 ½ hour long and I can't remember a single song from it (then again I haven't listened to it in a while).

The classic albums definitely feel easier to sit through IMO but part of that is the shorter length and it's entirely based in them being better by any means. AMOLAD is one of my favorite Maiden albums but it's definitely a more challenging listening experience than throwing on Number of the Beast for example.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 22, 2021, 04:59:29 PM
Paschendale is my favorite Iron Maiden song period, and then Dance of Death is second on the album and top 20 overall. Face in the Sand is around top 30.

Yeah, the title-track and Paschendale are my favorites too, then I have a soft spot for Rainmaker (they still can write great, shorter songs!), and Montsegur after that...but, really, DoD is a fantastic album overall.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 22, 2021, 06:06:19 PM
Those who say the title track of Book of Souls is perfect are missing the blatant rip-off of Losfer Words in the middle section. And for all its length, I think it ends in a very abrupt way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on July 22, 2021, 06:29:15 PM
The Legacy, for God's sake, when that's a top 1 Iron Maiden song of all time?

Fixed that for me.

Re: cutting songs
I think the issue with later IM albums isn't the amount of songs, but the amount of unnecessary sections within some of them. The amount of quiet intros that don't connect with the rest of the song (Reincarnation, Lord Of Light, Man Who Would Be King), the sheer amount of lyrical ramblings in For The Greater Good Of God & Starblind,  & the extended solos in The Red & The Black & The Book Of Souls title track, are all things that I feel make the last three albums a more difficult listen. Say what you will about the weaker songs in the classic era, but at least they tend to be over quickly.

It's for this reason that the lengths of the songs on the new album worry me a bit, but I'll try to keep an open mind until I actually hear it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2021, 06:37:07 PM
Those who say the title track of Book of Souls is perfect are missing the blatant rip-off of Losfer Words in the middle section. And for all its length, I think it ends in a very abrupt way.

I don't think I've listened to Losfer Words in over five years and I'm not sure I'd even recognize it if someone played the actual song, so no, I didn't notice any similarity. But I'll double down and say I don't mind if they took some part of it and put it in a much better song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 22, 2021, 06:52:23 PM

Re: cutting songs
I think the issue with later IM albums isn't the amount of songs, but the amount of unnecessary sections within some of them. The amount of quiet intros that don't connect with the rest of the song (Reincarnation, Lord Of Light, Man Who Would Be King), the sheer amount of lyrical ramblings in For The Greater Good Of God & Starblind,  & the extended solos in The Red & The Black & The Book Of Souls title track, are all things that I feel make the last three albums a more difficult listen. Say what you will about the weaker songs in the classic era, but at least they tend to be over quickly.

It's for this reason that the lengths of the songs on the new album worry me a bit, but I'll try to keep an open mind until I actually hear it.

Yep, that's how I generally feel too...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 22, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Those who say the title track of Book of Souls is perfect are missing the blatant rip-off of Losfer Words in the middle section. And for all its length, I think it ends in a very abrupt way.

I don't think I've listened to Losfer Words in over five years and I'm not sure I'd even recognize it if someone played the actual song, so no, I didn't notice any similarity. But I'll double down and say I don't mind if they took some part of it and put it in a much better song.

I'll make it easy for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNlBY1e9MlQ
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2021, 07:16:14 PM
Out of the Shadows (aka Tears of the Dragon part II)

I've got AMOLAD in the car today and just finished this song.  I don't get this comparison at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2021, 07:18:00 PM
I've never thought of Losfer Words during the Book of Souls, but know what you're talking about without listening.  It's the same as the Wasted Years riff being recycled 5 or 6 times throughout their career.  It's a non issue for me and doesn't make the songs any less enjoyable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2021, 07:35:02 PM
I'll make it easy for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNlBY1e9MlQ

I hear it, but I stand by what I said: Don't mind at all that they've taken that bit and put it in a song that I like a lot better.


I've never thought of Losfer Words during the Book of Souls, but know what you're talking about without listening.  It's the same as the Wasted Years riff being recycled 5 or 6 times throughout their career.  It's a non issue for me and doesn't make the songs any less enjoyable.

I rolled my eyes a little bit when I first heard it in the intro of Shadows of the Valley, but Bruce actually turns that into one of the coolest parts of the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2021, 08:14:10 PM
Actually, Losfer Words is where we first hear the Wasted Years riff funnily enough.  Others;

Shadows of the Valley
The Clansman (last chorus)
The Fallen Angel (chorus)
Paschendale (main theme)
FTGGOG (Dave kind of pinches it for his solo)
El Dorado (intro)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on July 23, 2021, 01:38:38 AM
I think thats the moment I crossed the line into being a Maiden fan. Was when I realized I didn't care how many times certain progressions, riffs, motifs, have-what-you-will would be re-used, repeated, recycled, etc.  because it always sounds awesome to me! It's as if, only they have earned this special docterate's degree to work in the field of writing proper Maiden songs. Funny, I sort of feel the same way about DT; they have perfected the craft of what they do and therefore can re-iterate certain things in their music. These things become defining characteristics of their sound.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kotowboy on July 23, 2021, 06:01:56 AM
"Writing On The Wall" is the first Iron Maiden song I actually liked.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight

True.  :huh: I've never been a fan. I've tried to like em but never have. And I love Metallica, Trivium, Mastodon. Dream Theater. Slipknot. So F off with that Coldplay sh*t  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 23, 2021, 07:27:05 AM
Actually, Losfer Words is where we first hear the Wasted Years riff funnily enough.  Others;

Shadows of the Valley
The Clansman (last chorus)
The Fallen Angel (chorus)
Paschendale (main theme)
FTGGOG (Dave kind of pinches it for his solo)
El Dorado (intro)

There are a few techniques/tricks that Maiden use all the time. Repeating single root notes and dotting in other single notes might be the most common. You hear it all over the place (And in metal generally. All over thrash style riffs with the repeating root muted.) Is Phantom the first place it comes up? Does it come up before Maiden or is it "their's"?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 23, 2021, 07:47:35 AM
Shadows of the Valley starts as Wasted Years, goes on as Fallen Angel and somewhere goes into Benny Breeg or something, don't remember which song.... and the fast part of The Book of Souls borrows from Montsegur.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 23, 2021, 08:13:01 AM
Having a big Maiden listen today.

God's teeth The Longest Day is good. Gave me the tingles and everything.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 23, 2021, 08:15:27 AM
It's been a while since I listened to some Maiden (aside from the new single). I plan on doing a reunion era "marathon" this weekend. I usually just focus on the 80s stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 23, 2021, 08:23:02 AM
So I'm in the car, listening to The Final Frontier, and just as "The Final Frontier" section of the first song starts, I pick up my stepson from his dads (he's 13, he knows of Iron Maiden but isn't a fan).  We start driving, and Bruce is singing "The Final Frontier!" and my kid goes "is that all he sings this entire song?" 

I had to laugh, given the criticisms here.  Of course, then I played him "The Angel And The Gambler".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 23, 2021, 08:26:59 AM
Having a big Maiden listen today.

God's teeth The Longest Day is good. Gave me the tingles and everything.

That buildup in the beginning is incredible. The toms symbolizing the mortar explosions is genius.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 23, 2021, 08:29:34 AM
So I'm in the car, listening to The Final Frontier, and just as "The Final Frontier" section of the first song starts, I pick up my stepson from his dads (he's 13, he knows of Iron Maiden but isn't a fan).  We start driving, and Bruce is singing "The Final Frontier!" and my kid goes "is that all he sings this entire song?" 

I had to laugh, given the criticisms here.  Of course, then I played him "The Angel And The Gambler".

My favorite part of The Angel and the Gambler is that one chorus where Blaze sings "Don't you think I could save you" twice instead of saying "Don't you think I'm a savior," and it's not clear whether or not it was intentional.

I actually like the song, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on July 23, 2021, 08:50:13 AM
Having a big Maiden listen today.

God's teeth The Longest Day is good. Gave me the tingles and everything.
This song is perfect, totally love it, including the slow intro. The guitar work in the intro is also amazing!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 23, 2021, 09:48:04 AM
It's been a while since I listened to some Maiden (aside from the new single). I plan on doing a reunion era "marathon" this weekend. I usually just focus on the 80s stuff.

Following you lead...I have Brave New World on now...I always had the impression that overall production is much better on BNW than in subsequent albums. Is it just me?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 23, 2021, 11:06:06 AM
It's been a while since I listened to some Maiden (aside from the new single). I plan on doing a reunion era "marathon" this weekend. I usually just focus on the 80s stuff.

Following you lead...I have Brave New World on now...I always had the impression that overall production is much better on BNW than in subsequent albums. Is it just me?

I like BNWs production more than any other IM album
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 23, 2021, 12:14:41 PM
One thing I feel Maiden haven't been doing as much as in the far past is those signature, proper twin-lead harmonized guitar lines...I think this has been the case since the Fear of the Dark album, really...lots of times, yes, you have the two guitars doing the melody, but it's a single note (or maybe just a different octave).

I'm probably just rambling  :biggrin: but I'm thinking those absolute classic moments, like the ending of Seventh Son (the song), at around 8:55 (probably one of my favorite moments in all of metal music history!) or Infinite Dreams (around the 4-minute mark, and then again after the 5-minute mark) or in a number of Powerslave songs or, well, a ton of old Maiden songs period...

Listening to BNW, for example, there are moments that just scream proper twin-leads...not to say they should over-use that trick, but in some cases it just brings it to the next level (even just thinking about reunion albums, the section after the solo in Rainmaker on DoD...predictable, maybe, but so, so good). And it is all the more puzzling to me, now that they have 3 guitars and they could a bunch of cool things (and reproduce them live!)

Anyone sharing this feeling or am I not making any sense?  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 23, 2021, 12:41:06 PM
Continuing with my random thoughts as I revisit BNW - always felt the soft part in The Thin Line Between Love and Hate could totally belong in a Fates Warning song...the clean guitars and the lead...then Bruce singing "The thin line...between love and hate"...they way he closes it, very Ray Alder-sounding...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 23, 2021, 01:19:37 PM
I agree with Nick that the guitar harmonies haven't been as frequent recently as they were in the 80s. Among the later day stuff, tracks like Brave new world, The Great unknown and The Alchemist probably feature the best twin harmonies, but as much as I like them, I wish there was more of it. Fingers crossed this album delivers the goods.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 23, 2021, 04:09:55 PM
The Alchemist  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 23, 2021, 04:18:48 PM
Actually, Losfer Words is where we first hear the Wasted Years riff funnily enough.  Others;

Shadows of the Valley
The Clansman (last chorus)
The Fallen Angel (chorus)
Paschendale (main theme)
FTGGOG (Dave kind of pinches it for his solo)
El Dorado (intro)

There are a few techniques/tricks that Maiden use all the time. Repeating single root notes and dotting in other single notes might be the most common. You hear it all over the place (And in metal generally. All over thrash style riffs with the repeating root muted.) Is Phantom the first place it comes up? Does it come up before Maiden or is it "their's"?

Which part in Phantom are you referring to?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 23, 2021, 04:22:57 PM
It's been a while since I listened to some Maiden (aside from the new single). I plan on doing a reunion era "marathon" this weekend. I usually just focus on the 80s stuff.

Following you lead...I have Brave New World on now...I always had the impression that overall production is much better on BNW than in subsequent albums. Is it just me?

Nope.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 23, 2021, 04:40:15 PM
Actually, Losfer Words is where we first hear the Wasted Years riff funnily enough.  Others;

Shadows of the Valley
The Clansman (last chorus)
The Fallen Angel (chorus)
Paschendale (main theme)
FTGGOG (Dave kind of pinches it for his solo)
El Dorado (intro)

There are a few techniques/tricks that Maiden use all the time. Repeating single root notes and dotting in other single notes might be the most common. You hear it all over the place (And in metal generally. All over thrash style riffs with the repeating root muted.) Is Phantom the first place it comes up? Does it come up before Maiden or is it "their's"?

Which part in Phantom are you referring to?

The part right after the intro. 22 seconds in. In that song it starts with the root note and taps another. The Wasted Years intro hits the tapped note first then repeats the root note but same technique.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 23, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
Actually, Losfer Words is where we first hear the Wasted Years riff funnily enough.  Others;

Shadows of the Valley
The Clansman (last chorus)
The Fallen Angel (chorus)
Paschendale (main theme)
FTGGOG (Dave kind of pinches it for his solo)
El Dorado (intro)

There are a few techniques/tricks that Maiden use all the time. Repeating single root notes and dotting in other single notes might be the most common. You hear it all over the place (And in metal generally. All over thrash style riffs with the repeating root muted.) Is Phantom the first place it comes up? Does it come up before Maiden or is it "their's"?

Which part in Phantom are you referring to?

The part right after the intro. 22 seconds in. In that song it starts with the root note and taps another. The Wasted Years intro hits the tapped note first then repeats the root note but same technique.

Nah, that's different.  The Wasted Years riff and the others I mentioned use an open E string with tremolo picking with all of the notes of the E string scattered throughout.

The Phantom riff uses the same picking technique but the riff is just alternating between thirds.  The first part of the riff is just E (probably played on the A string, 7th fret, or could be D string 2nd fret) alternating between G.  There's a G and D chord in between though.

The next part moves the same third alternate shape up to F# and A and then something pretty cool out of key moves up to G and a Bb note.  That Bb flat note is not in the scale which is a clever part of the riff to give that tension for the subject matter.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 23, 2021, 05:04:42 PM
Same technique, different notes/strings.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 23, 2021, 05:15:03 PM
Same technique, different notes/strings.

Okay.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on July 23, 2021, 05:54:15 PM
I know the reunion era begins with Brave New World, but the 'sound' of the reunion era really begins after Bruce first left, on The X Factor. Bruce and Adrian returning just gave the then-current band a kick in the nuts it needed (plus the band's true front man and voice returning)

I think this was discussed recently, but there is a shift in the sound and production after Fear of the Dark. As much as FOTD (and NPFTD) aren't as good as the previous albums, they still have that linear continuation from the 80s in their sound, and Bruce still sounds like young Bruce (but with more rasp, which I think hurt his voice in the long term, just like James LaBrie adding rasp to his voice before he destroyed his vocal cords)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 23, 2021, 06:01:16 PM
Yeah, I bang on this particular drum from time to time, and I think I brought it up again a week or two ago. I see a clear continuity from The X Factor onward.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on July 23, 2021, 06:02:38 PM
Yeah, I bang on this particular drum from time to time, and I think I brought it up again a week or two ago. I see a clear continuity from The X Factor onward.

It's especially noticeable if you listen chronologically from The X Factor to The Book of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 24, 2021, 02:18:45 AM
That's also the way I see it. The X Factor was the first modern-day Maiden album in my mind, whereas Virtual XI is like a predecessor to Brave new world. The reunion era managed to improve on the sound with Bruce's return, the third guitar and the live production by Kevin Shirley.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on July 24, 2021, 03:00:27 AM
Yeah, I bang on this particular drum from time to time, and I think I brought it up again a week or two ago. I see a clear continuity from The X Factor onward.

So do I, and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Steve Harris became the main producer himself. After Martin Birch retired, the songs are getting longer and more repetitive. Sure, X-Factor had Nigel Green as producer, but he was probably just a yes-man to Steve. And Kevin Shirley certainly continues on that path.

Super stoked for the new album. Writing on The Wall was not phenomenal, but still a good Maiden song. Especially Smith's solo was pure awesomeness.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on July 24, 2021, 07:59:32 AM
As much as I’m hoping for 80s-style epics from Harris, I’m a little worried about those last 3 songs. Will he double-down on all the Harrisms that have gotten out of control?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on July 24, 2021, 08:30:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CXoWP0e.jpg)

I stumbled upon this cover on the webz. "Includes The Writing On The Wall and Stratego". Does that mean that the next video/single will be Stratego? Isn't that often the case with these stickers?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 24, 2021, 08:42:57 AM
well, it can be, and I would guess it is, but what do I know
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 24, 2021, 10:58:35 AM
As much as I’m hoping for 80s-style epics from Harris, I’m a little worried about those last 3 songs. Will he double-down on all the Harrisms that have gotten out of control?

Yes
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on July 24, 2021, 11:51:20 AM
As much as I’m hoping for 80s-style epics from Harris, I’m a little worried about those last 3 songs. Will he double-down on all the Harrisms that have gotten out of control?

Yes
Don't waste a worry.  The album will be just fine.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 24, 2021, 12:03:53 PM
I have to think that for Bruce and Adrian to be okay with letting Steve have this much of the album, they have to have been pretty happy with what he wrote.

And I really disagree, just on the basic level, with the "Harrisisms out of control" idea. He is actually shedding a lot of the things that people like to criticize! The repetitive choruses, for example. They are by far the worst on Brave New World (which strangely does not stop it from tending to be the favorite reunion album of the same people who criticize Harris), and he does fewer of them on each album until The Book of Souls, where they are completely gone. It has been eleven years since Harris wrote a repetitive chorus. So it can't be that one that's "getting out of control." Which one is?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cruithne on July 24, 2021, 01:11:24 PM
I have to think that for Bruce and Adrian to be okay with letting Steve have this much of the album, they have to have been pretty happy with what he wrote.

He just looked them square in the eye and asked them the most pertinent of questions: Don't you think I'm a savior?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on July 24, 2021, 03:49:37 PM
I prefer my Harrisisms done medium well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on July 24, 2021, 04:38:29 PM
Based on the band's track record, I expect nothing less than a solid album, so I'm not concerned.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on July 24, 2021, 07:14:05 PM
I have to think that for Bruce and Adrian to be okay with letting Steve have this much of the album, they have to have been pretty happy with what he wrote.

And I really disagree, just on the basic level, with the "Harrisisms out of control" idea. He is actually shedding a lot of the things that people like to criticize! The repetitive choruses, for example. They are by far the worst on Brave New World (which strangely does not stop it from tending to be the favorite reunion album of the same people who criticize Harris), and he does fewer of them on each album until The Book of Souls, where they are completely gone. It has been eleven years since Harris wrote a repetitive chorus. So it can't be that one that's "getting out of control." Which one is?

Fine. Let’s go with unnecessary length-padding, excessive noodling, and constantly using the same chord progressions and tempos?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 24, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
I think the last two claims (chord progressions and tempos) have some legitimacy, but the first two are just matters of personal opinion dressed up in a really loaded language and presented as though they're objective observations about a songwriter's tendencies.

"Unnecessary length-padding" just translates as "he writes songs that are longer than I would like them to be." The "padding" part of the claim assumes a motivation that you cannot possibly have knowledge of, and it's also a motivation that doesn't make sense. Harris knows full well that a massive portion of the audience wishes he would write shorter songs. Do you really think that he's sitting around saying to himself, "Well, I only really have enough material for a six-minute song, but I feel the heavy weight of expectations demanding that it be nine minutes, so I guess I have to pad it out"? Or is it more likely that he just thinks that these songs have sufficient material to necessitate their length, and you disagree? I don't think it makes sense to say that this, as written, is a tendency, because "unnecessary" is an opinion, not a fact, and "padding" is speculation about a person's motivation. "He writes long songs" is definitely a tendency of Harris's, but I doubt you'll get as many people on the bandwagon of "I hope this album isn't ruined by the horrible Harrisism of writing long songs." At least not here, because *points to band name in URL*.

I don't even know what "excessive noodling" is supposed to mean, but I gather it means "there are more complex instrumental parts than I would like there to be." It's a weird criticism to see on Dream Theater Forums Dot Org, but it's definitely an opinion one could have. But I don't think it's something you can say amounts to a tendency of Harris's, because it's not a fact, it's an opinion. If you said "he tends to have long instrumental sections," I think that would be accurate. But, again, I don't think you're going to get as many people on the bandwagon of "oh I hope this album isn't dragged down by Harrisisms out of control, like having long instrumental sections." Again, *points to URL*



I feel like I've been arguing a lot with people who don't like the reunion era a lot lately, so I want to be clear: I don't particularly care if you don't like these albums. I'm not trying to change your mind about them. But I am kind of bothered by the pile-on of "oh, this is obviously bad and that is obviously bad, and the band has completely lost it" when most of it is really just that you personally don't like what they're doing. It's just so common, in my experience, for people to say this when older bands try something new, and the fans of the older material don't like the new thing they're trying. It's fine, you don't have to like it, but that doesn't make it bad, especially in a case like this, where obviously a lot of people do like it.

I also think a lot of the criticism directed at bands late in their career unfairly boxes them into a no-win scenario. If they write something that sounds like their old stuff, they're out of ideas and just doing lame repetitions of their former greatness. If they write something that sounds different, they're out of touch, they've lost it, they're doing something weird or boring that nobody cares about. Maiden does some of both and, instead of avoiding either losing proposition, they catch the criticisms of both of them. And I just think it's really lame that this stuff gets heaped on basically every band with more than 7-8 albums, especially because I tend to think the later-career work of a lot of artists is actually really interesting and often more refined than their breakout albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on July 25, 2021, 01:38:03 AM
Harris knows full well that a massive portion of the audience wishes he would write shorter songs.

Does he?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Enigmachine on July 25, 2021, 04:22:39 AM
I feel like I've been arguing a lot with people who don't like the reunion era a lot lately, so I want to be clear: I don't particularly care if you don't like these albums. I'm not trying to change your mind about them. But I am kind of bothered by the pile-on of "oh, this is obviously bad and that is obviously bad, and the band has completely lost it" when most of it is really just that you personally don't like what they're doing. It's just so common, in my experience, for people to say this when older bands try something new, and the fans of the older material don't like the new thing they're trying. It's fine, you don't have to like it, but that doesn't make it bad, especially in a case like this, where obviously a lot of people do like it.

I also think a lot of the criticism directed at bands late in their career unfairly boxes them into a no-win scenario. If they write something that sounds like their old stuff, they're out of ideas and just doing lame repetitions of their former greatness. If they write something that sounds different, they're out of touch, they've lost it, they're doing something weird or boring that nobody cares about. Maiden does some of both and, instead of avoiding either losing proposition, they catch the criticisms of both of them. And I just think it's really lame that this stuff gets heaped on basically every band with more than 7-8 albums, especially because I tend to think the later-career work of a lot of artists is actually really interesting and often more refined than their breakout albums.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, I've been trying to say stuff in the form of this for the past five years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 25, 2021, 05:11:46 AM
I just gave a spin to my personal version of The Book of Souls, I did just some trimmings here and there - the ending of The Man of Sorrows, and some of the solo sections of Empire and Red & Black. Speaking of this one, it's not really repetitive for the sake of being long, there's always a crescendo - first you just hear the "stadium chorus" melody, then after another verse we hear it with the oh oh oh ho oh and the guitar line just finishing it, and then at the third time comes also "I need somebody to save me". There's always something being added, maybe when the verse changes again two stanzas could have been reduced to one, but all in all it's a song that flows and builds up to the chorus quite nicely.

On the other hand it's For the Greater Good of God that disrupts the continuous buildup to the chorus by adding two long verses, but probably those were needed for the lyrical content, evidently Steve needed more verses to express his thoughts the way he wanted to convey them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 25, 2021, 09:02:00 AM
Don't we listen to artists to hear THEIR vision, THEIR choices?    No knock on anyone else, and there are certainly songs where I go "wow I might have liked this more if they did "this"", but generally, they are what they are, no?   It's not like Maiden are Neil Young jumping from rock to folk to bluegrass to rockabilly from album to album.  You KNOW what you're going to get, and there are 17 albums to choose from if one happens to not be right up your alley. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on July 25, 2021, 10:22:28 AM
Editing the music yourself is one of the most bizarre things I have heard to be honest but I know there's people doing similar things with movies and such. I find it a bit extreme but I guess whatever does it for you.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on July 25, 2021, 10:34:47 AM
Continuing with the the reunion albums revisits...

Dance of Death is still excellent. In terms of the discussion we are having on more recent vs. "classic" Iron Maiden, this is where (for my own taste, of course!), in the reunion era, they strike their best balance between the proggier (read: longer) songs and the more immediate rockers. I really like BNW, but this was an improvement over it (except for the way it sounds)

A Matter of Life and Death: my opinion hasn't changed much on this album over the years. It's very good, but a bit of a chore to get through in its entirety. There are no songs I dislike, actually (Out of the Shadows perhaps a little unremarkable compared to the rest). I just think they could use some trimming here and there. So much good stuff, though. I always enjoyed the Thin Lizzy-esque (pre?) chorus in Different World. It'd be interesting to hear Bruce sing this way more often. The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg is a very cool song too, with the slightly heavier than usual riffage. Favorites are probably The Pilgrim, The Longest Day and For the Greater Good of God (still, an example of a song I'd prefer a bit shorter...could do without the intro and some repetition). Sound-wise, I guess it's ok, although it bugs me there are some really cool guitar parts that are a little buried (Different World, or towards the end of Lord of Light).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 25, 2021, 12:39:19 PM
Don't we listen to artists to hear THEIR vision, THEIR choices?    No knock on anyone else, and there are certainly songs where I go "wow I might have liked this more if they did "this"", but generally, they are what they are, no?   It's not like Maiden are Neil Young jumping from rock to folk to bluegrass to rockabilly from album to album.  You KNOW what you're going to get, and there are 17 albums to choose from if one happens to not be right up your alley.

This is very, very, very much how I feel about it. With all the artists I follow, I'm interested in hearing what they are going to do next. I don't really think I know better than them what they should write. I may not like some of the things that they do, and there may even be cases where I really don't like a particular choice, but I'm still interested in hearing what comes from their mind, their soul.

I think this post puts into words really well something that I like about a lot of your posts on this forum, Stadler. You really seem to approach music and writing about music with an eye to finding things that are interesting and enjoyable, and are always on the lookout for those things in places where you might not expect it or where you might be tempted to have an initial negative reaction. I much prefer that type of approach over the approach that seeks primarily to critique and that approaches music like ordering off a restaurant menu ("You didn't bring me six heavy rockers, one power ballad and two up-tempo tracks? I need to speak to your manager.").
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on July 25, 2021, 01:28:44 PM
Harris knows full well that a massive portion of the audience wishes he would write shorter songs.

Does he?

Well, unless he doesn't have internet access, yeah... he does.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 25, 2021, 01:31:03 PM
Editing the music yourself is one of the most bizarre things I have heard to be honest but I know there's people doing similar things with movies and such. I find it a bit extreme but I guess whatever does it for you.  :lol

I generally am with you, but I made an instrumental version of War Pigs and an instrumental version of Tonight (by Ozzy) that kick all kinds of ass. Not that I don't like Ozzy's vocals - I do - but it's just musical bliss.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 25, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
Don't we listen to artists to hear THEIR vision, THEIR choices?    No knock on anyone else, and there are certainly songs where I go "wow I might have liked this more if they did "this"", but generally, they are what they are, no?   It's not like Maiden are Neil Young jumping from rock to folk to bluegrass to rockabilly from album to album.  You KNOW what you're going to get, and there are 17 albums to choose from if one happens to not be right up your alley.

This is very, very, very much how I feel about it. With all the artists I follow, I'm interested in hearing what they are going to do next. I don't really think I know better than them what they should write. I may not like some of the things that they do, and there may even be cases where I really don't like a particular choice, but I'm still interested in hearing what comes from their mind, their soul.

I think this post puts into words really well something that I like about a lot of your posts on this forum, Stadler. You really seem to approach music and writing about music with an eye to finding things that are interesting and enjoyable, and are always on the lookout for those things in places where you might not expect it or where you might be tempted to have an initial negative reaction. I much prefer that type of approach over the approach that seeks primarily to critique and that approaches music like ordering off a restaurant menu ("You didn't bring me six heavy rockers, one power ballad and two up-tempo tracks? I need to speak to your manager.").

You nailed it; I listen to music for enjoyment and release, and I don't really consciously think about what I like.  I also don't worry about what I "should" like, or "shouldn't" like.   I listen, and if I dig it, I'm in.  If I don't, I'm out.  And sometimes things change.  I used to hate Devin Townsend, then Chad sent me Deep Peace in a roulette and it clicked and now I'm a fan.  I don't like EVERYTHING he does, but I do love his ethos and his ethic, so I listen to that which I like.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2021, 03:14:28 PM
So on our trip to Arizona last week, we visited my wife's cousin who moved out there last year. He's a big music fan, but I wasn't aware that he had this, or must've forgot about it until I saw it hanging in his house.

It's a Dave Murray signature series Strat.

(https://i.imgur.com/5Idirjk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7msgGKM.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 03, 2021, 03:23:00 PM
Very cool. Beautiful guitar!  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 03, 2021, 03:25:57 PM
Do you have to make funny faces while soloing on that?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2021, 03:29:16 PM
My wife has a nickname for Dave Murray, she calls him either puffy face or puffy pants.

It stems from when we saw them in Phoenix in '98 with Blaze. It was a really small place and we were on Dave's side. She's like, his pants are too tight. Why doesn't he just go up a size?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2021, 03:46:33 PM
That guitar!  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 03, 2021, 04:10:27 PM
Nice. I've got one too. Great guitar. Really playable, great sound. It's my only floating bridge guitar. I've blocked the trem so it doesn't go anywhere now. I like the fine tuners on the Floyd, mind.

There was a black Dave sig strat a few years before this one, but I think it was too expensive for me at the time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2021, 05:08:02 PM
Nice. I've got one too. Great guitar. Really playable, great sound. It's my only floating bridge guitar. I've blocked the trem so it doesn't go anywhere now. I like the fine tuners on the Floyd, mind.

There was a black Dave sig strat a few years before this one, but I think it was too expensive for me at the time.

Can I ask why?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 04, 2021, 03:26:17 AM
Sure, man. I wanted to get into the whammy thing as it has eluded me since I was young but I found I couldn't quite get it set up right so it returned to pitch quite right and I prefer how unison bends react on a fixed bridge. But mainly the first one.

Any tips? I have a lot more guitars than I did when I blocked it so could feasibly unblock it.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 04, 2021, 05:34:44 AM
Sure, man. I wanted to get into the whammy thing as it has eluded me since I was young but I found I couldn't quite get it set up right so it returned to pitch quite right and I prefer how unison bends react on a fixed bridge. But mainly the first one.

Any tips? I have a lot more guitars than I did when I blocked it so could feasibly unblock it.  :)

They are tricky to get your head around and very fiddly.

It's funny you mention that as I have a couple of my old guitars that come back in slightly out of tune when using the tremelo.  I have about 7 guitars so I just move onto another one but I've never tried to sit down and fix it.  I think the main issue though is around the 'knife edges' and it sticks and lubricating but I think there's a few different reasons. 

Never noticed the unison bends but you are probably right because as you bend one string the others will go slightly out.  I've used them since I started playing so know my way around them.  When you get the hang and know how to use them, they are a fantastic tool to add in to your soloing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 04, 2021, 07:44:13 AM
Yeah. I'd love to get my hands around it so it's instinctive. I love the sounds that folks get with them.

I've wondered if my springs just aren't screwed in enough. With this model, you can only go back so it's level - it's meant to sit back flat but mine has never been that way. I think i was reluctant to screw it in harder. I use Ernie Ball hybrids in standard tuning. You've inspired me to unblock it and give setting it up right it another shot. Ta.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on August 04, 2021, 11:00:19 AM
I've heard if you replace those woodscrews with bigger, thicker screws that floating tremelo will stay in tune. I think this was something Scott Henderson mentioned having customized in all his strats. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 04, 2021, 02:51:23 PM
I've heard if you replace those woodscrews with bigger, thicker screws that floating tremelo will stay in tune. I think this was something Scott Henderson mentioned having customized in all his strats.

Interesting.  I haven't got any strats with a floating trem so not sure if there is any difference there.


Yeah. I'd love to get my hands around it so it's instinctive. I love the sounds that folks get with them.

I've wondered if my springs just aren't screwed in enough. With this model, you can only go back so it's level - it's meant to sit back flat but mine has never been that way. I think i was reluctant to screw it in harder. I use Ernie Ball hybrids in standard tuning. You've inspired me to unblock it and give setting it up right it another shot. Ta.  :)

Usually the screws in the back adjusts tension more so you can alter tunings but it needs to be sitting level.  They are very tricky as I said.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 04, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
Thanks, guys. I took out the block earlier but need to get the actual bar down from the gig bag pocket in the loft to test.

I'll let you know how it goes. Probably in the other sub so all Maiden fans aren't subjected to my guitar set-up saga.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 04, 2021, 07:51:59 PM
Hoping this album will have some actual riffs, not just a bunch of lame single-note “melodies” during the verses and choruses.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 04, 2021, 08:20:12 PM
Less than a month before this is out.  Hoping we get another song soon.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 05, 2021, 10:30:07 PM
If I had to bet, I think Stratego is the next single and that it'll come out within two weeks. Then we get the new album in four weeks!

I have to say, the perspective of 40 or so minutes penned solely by Steve got me REALLY excited. His solo penned songs have consistently been my favorite in each album since Brave New World (or at least been very serious contenders to the title), so I honestly cannot wait for what he came up with. It felt like he sort of stepped back in Book of Souls because of personal issues, so I was almost ready for him to be even less present this time around -- so glad to be wrong  ;D

Plus, there's usually a chance that each of the three guitarists get a solo during his songs, which I always get a kick out of.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2021, 10:36:07 PM
If I had to bet, I think Stratego is the next single and that it'll come out within two weeks. Then we get the new album in four weeks!

I have to say, the perspective of 40 or so minutes penned solely by Steve got me REALLY excited. His solo penned songs have consistently been my favorite in each album since Brave New World (or at least been very serious contenders to the title), so I honestly cannot wait for what he came up with. It felt like he sort of stepped back in Book of Souls because of personal issues, so I was almost ready for him to be even less present this time around -- so glad to be wrong  ;D

Plus, there's usually a chance that each of the three guitarists get a solo during his songs, which I always get a kick out of.

I agree.  We may be the minority but feel the same way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 05, 2021, 10:52:06 PM
If I had to bet, I think Stratego is the next single and that it'll come out within two weeks. Then we get the new album in four weeks!

I have to say, the perspective of 40 or so minutes penned solely by Steve got me REALLY excited. His solo penned songs have consistently been my favorite in each album since Brave New World (or at least been very serious contenders to the title), so I honestly cannot wait for what he came up with. It felt like he sort of stepped back in Book of Souls because of personal issues, so I was almost ready for him to be even less present this time around -- so glad to be wrong  ;D

Plus, there's usually a chance that each of the three guitarists get a solo during his songs, which I always get a kick out of.

I agree.  We may be the minority but feel the same way.

We are three.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 07, 2021, 09:10:29 PM
A question that, for some reason, I never thought about before today:

Who did the spoken word segment in Rime of the Ancient Mariner?  I think if I had ever given it any thought, I'd have assumed it was Martin Birch, but I've seen some folks say it was Bruce, which it really doesn't sound like.

Anyone know?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on August 07, 2021, 09:14:36 PM
Someone rename the thread title!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 07, 2021, 11:18:04 PM
In one of his spoken word shows, Bruce confirmed that two songs from the new album will be played in the upcoming dates of the Legacy of the Beast tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 08, 2021, 02:16:42 AM
In one of his spoken word shows, Bruce confirmed that two songs from the new album will be played in the upcoming dates of the Legacy of the Beast tour.

Which songs will get the boot?

My guesses:

For the Greater Good of God out, The Writing on the Wall in. Religion-ish theme of the lyrics.

Stratego, the likely other single (there have been photos around of a label saying "it includes Writing on the Wall and Stratego", as you do with singles), which will likely take the place of a war song.

The problem is that the war songs are at the beginning and the set is tight - Aces High, Where Eagles Dare and 23:58 played in a row, then The Clansman, and The Trooper. Maybe they will stop after the first two songs and introduce the single.

Or maybe they sack The Evil that Men Do as first encore and use the occasion of coming back again on stage to remind that there will be a new album tour, play Stratego, and then round it up with Hallowed and Hills.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 08, 2021, 03:31:52 AM
In one of his spoken word shows, Bruce confirmed that two songs from the new album will be played in the upcoming dates of the Legacy of the Beast tour.

Which songs will get the boot?

My guesses:

For the Greater Good of God out, The Writing on the Wall in. Religion-ish theme of the lyrics.

Stratego, the likely other single (there have been photos around of a label saying "it includes Writing on the Wall and Stratego", as you do with singles), which will likely take the place of a war song.

The problem is that the war songs are at the beginning and the set is tight - Aces High, Where Eagles Dare and 23:58 played in a row, then The Clansman, and The Trooper. Maybe they will stop after the first two songs and introduce the single.

Or maybe they sack The Evil that Men Do as first encore and use the occasion of coming back again on stage to remind that there will be a new album tour, play Stratego, and then round it up with Hallowed and Hills.

What a horrible swap that would be.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 09, 2021, 08:33:21 AM
I wouldn't assume anything about what gets dropped; the show I saw was about an hour and 50 minutes.  There might be two swaps, one swap, or no swaps.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 09, 2021, 08:38:26 AM
This is the set:

Aces High
Where Eagles Dare
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Clansman
The Trooper

Revelations
For the Greater Good of God
The Wicker Man
Sign of the Cross
Flight of Icarus
Fear of the Dark
The Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden

================
The Evil That Men Do
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Run to the Hills


I've bolded the ones that I assume would never get dropped. Not much room to let two new songs in....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2021, 09:05:15 AM
In one of his spoken word shows, Bruce confirmed that two songs from the new album will be played in the upcoming dates of the Legacy of the Beast tour.

Which songs will get the boot?

My guesses:

For the Greater Good of God out, The Writing on the Wall in. Religion-ish theme of the lyrics.

Stratego, the likely other single (there have been photos around of a label saying "it includes Writing on the Wall and Stratego", as you do with singles), which will likely take the place of a war song.

The problem is that the war songs are at the beginning and the set is tight - Aces High, Where Eagles Dare and 23:58 played in a row, then The Clansman, and The Trooper. Maybe they will stop after the first two songs and introduce the single.

Or maybe they sack The Evil that Men Do as first encore and use the occasion of coming back again on stage to remind that there will be a new album tour, play Stratego, and then round it up with Hallowed and Hills.

What a horrible swap that would be.

As much as it pains me, I can totally see that being a swap.  FTGGOG didn't seem to get much of a crowd reaction from the 3 shows I went to.  I absolutely love it and hope for those who see the tour, that it doesn't get dropped.... but I'd probably guess that is one of them.  As for the other, I can see Where Eagles Dare/The Evil That Men Do/2 Minutes to Midnight being the potential swaps.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 09, 2021, 09:31:35 AM
I wouldn't assume anything about what gets dropped; the show I saw was about an hour and 50 minutes.  There might be two swaps, one swap, or no swaps.

If they’re adding two, then they are dropping two.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 09, 2021, 02:03:18 PM


This is the set:

Aces High
Where Eagles Dare
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Clansman
The Trooper

Revelations
For the Greater Good of God
The Wicker Man
Sign of the Cross
Flight of Icarus
Fear of the Dark
The Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden

================
The Evil That Men Do
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Run to the Hills


I've bolded the ones that I assume would never get dropped. Not much room to let two new songs in....



I never really thought about it before, but looking at those first 5 tracks I'm realizing that they could do an entire setlist of nothing but songs about wars.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 09, 2021, 04:00:43 PM
It's pretty much out of the question, but I'd love for them to shake things up a bit in the second Legacy leg. Maybe let those two new songs in and swap out 2 minutes for Montsegur, Wicker Man for No Prayer for the Dying... I know, it's a crazy idea, but it'd still be their "legacy" in literal terms  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 09, 2021, 04:36:36 PM
It's pretty much out of the question, but I'd love for them to shake things up a bit in the second Legacy leg. Maybe let those two new songs in and swap out 2 minutes for Montsegur, Wicker Man for No Prayer for the Dying... I know, it's a crazy idea, but it'd still be their "legacy" in literal terms  :lol

Oh yeah, I could see that happening. :lol


I don't know how to say this but there is NO Santa Claus, either
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
Montsegur and No Prayer would slay live!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2021, 05:36:58 PM
Itching for another song from the album too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 10, 2021, 09:13:06 AM
The band just put out a little teaser video (https://youtu.be/1pMFCtZGbgA) featuring Steve, Bruce and Kevin Shirley talking about the album (no new music).

Bruce says pretty seriously and in a non-PR-y way that he thinks this album is better than TBoS: more complex and more varied. He repeats the claim that there are a couple of songs that he thinks will genuinely surprise people. Shirley acknowledges that everyone will always say the new record is best, but also says he thinks this is possibly the best album the band has done with him. Also says it's the hardest record he's ever made. Steve kinda says a whole lot of nothing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 10, 2021, 09:41:55 AM
If I remember correctly, Bruce was very proud of The Book of Souls in a manner he was not of The Final Frontier. Maybe it was just the health scare combined with having created Empire of the Clouds, dunno. If he thinks this album is better than the one he would have been happy to be his swan song, color me excited!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 10, 2021, 11:06:47 AM
Good point. I also find it notable that Bruce is the one saying that given that he actually wrote a substantial portion of TBoS on his own (between If Eternity Should Fail and Empire of the Clouds) while he just has three short-to-mid-length songs cowritten with Adrian on the new one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 10, 2021, 11:37:28 AM
To both of you, yeah.  That wasn't lost on me when I read that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2021, 11:51:08 AM
The band just put out a little teaser video (https://youtu.be/1pMFCtZGbgA) featuring Steve, Bruce and Kevin Shirley talking about the album (no new music).


Love this. Hopefully there's way more studio footage to surface.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on August 10, 2021, 12:26:23 PM
My thought on a new song "The Writing On The Wall": It's just OK, nothing special.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on August 10, 2021, 02:27:01 PM
Thread title really needs updating.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2021, 04:35:01 PM
The band just put out a little teaser video (https://youtu.be/1pMFCtZGbgA) featuring Steve, Bruce and Kevin Shirley talking about the album (no new music).

Bruce says pretty seriously and in a non-PR-y way that he thinks this album is better than TBoS: more complex and more varied. He repeats the claim that there are a couple of songs that he thinks will genuinely surprise people. Shirley acknowledges that everyone will always say the new record is best, but also says he thinks this is possibly the best album the band has done with him. Also says it's the hardest record he's ever made. Steve kinda says a whole lot of nothing.

This is the kind of stuff we've been missing the last couple of albums.  I hope there's a full documentary or some more studio recording footage.

Seems pretty standard what they are saying here, but still builds the anticipation nevertheless.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 10, 2021, 04:42:36 PM
A question that, for some reason, I never thought about before today:

Who did the spoken word segment in Rime of the Ancient Mariner?  I think if I had ever given it any thought, I'd have assumed it was Martin Birch, but I've seen some folks say it was Bruce, which it really doesn't sound like.

Anyone know?

Anyone?  Bueller?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2021, 04:54:01 PM
It definitely doesn't sound like Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2021, 04:56:05 PM
A question that, for some reason, I never thought about before today:

Who did the spoken word segment in Rime of the Ancient Mariner?  I think if I had ever given it any thought, I'd have assumed it was Martin Birch, but I've seen some folks say it was Bruce, which it really doesn't sound like.

Anyone know?



Anyone?  Bueller?

I have no idea to be honest.  For some reason, I've never thought about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2021, 04:56:25 PM
Seems it's a mystery.  Found this;

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/p03zrw/spoken_word_part_in_rime_of_the_ancient_mariner/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 10, 2021, 05:05:35 PM
Thread title really needs updating.

It's been 170 pages.  We could get a new thread in order with an updated title if that's all right.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2021, 05:17:25 PM
Seems it's a mystery.  Found this;

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/p03zrw/spoken_word_part_in_rime_of_the_ancient_mariner/

I saw that too, but it lacks confirmation.


I floated the question on Maidenfans..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cruithne on August 11, 2021, 02:35:47 AM
It doesn't sound anything like Bill Nighy  :-\ Also, I think that's a bit of recency bias as he wasn't exactly a name back in 1984.

If anything it sounds like Richard Burton - I think I detect a slight Welsh lilt to a few of the lines.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 11, 2021, 05:38:16 AM
The response I got was that it was Richard Burton from a 1950's radio show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 11, 2021, 08:42:57 AM
Loudwire has heard the album: https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-senjutsu-track-by-track-guide-review/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 11, 2021, 08:55:30 AM
Sounds like anyone that rails against acoustic intros will have a field day on the Harris tunes. But as the author points out, that is how Steve sets his songs up. Deal with it.

Steve's songs are pretty much all amazing on their own, so I have zero problem with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 11, 2021, 09:10:25 AM
Most of the people who rail against acoustic intros aren't going to be satisfied with anything except Powerslave II, so I'm not particularly concerned that the band do anything to satisfy them. Just write good songs. It's basically impossible to judge from the Loudwire piece whether they've done that, but there's enough there to build some excitement!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2021, 09:20:18 AM
As long as the songs are good, the acoustic intros or repeating chorus' don't bother me.  It's when the song itself as a whole is not that good, that those things come back to be annoying.  Having said that, for me, most of these types of songs have ended up being very good so it doesn't end up being an issue other than "they've done that before".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on August 11, 2021, 09:24:30 AM
I never really thought about it before, but looking at those first 5 tracks I'm realizing that they could do an entire setlist of nothing but songs about wars.
Even sticking with their rule that they only play songs they played on the album tour, they could easily do concerts that were all about war, all about religion, all about novels, and perhaps all about movies/TV series. Hell, they could do a chronological history of warfare if they wanted to.

Part of what I liked so much about the Legacy tour was breaking the show up into war and religion segments.

And Rhyme certainly sounds like Richard Burton, but my hunch is that they slowed it down a bit. It's a little deeper and a little slower than his normal delivery.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on August 11, 2021, 11:14:42 AM
Seems it's a mystery.  Found this;

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/p03zrw/spoken_word_part_in_rime_of_the_ancient_mariner/

That thread is what prompted me to ask.  I'd honestly never thought about it before.


The response I got was that it was Richard Burton from a 1950's radio show.

Nope.  Here's the Richard Burton recording:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGH4p4z4s5A

The lines spoken in the Maiden song start at 10:19, and you can tell immediately it's not the same thing because Burton's cadence is different than what appears on the Maiden recording.  Also, Burton says "star-dog'd," whereas, on the Maiden recording, the narrator says "star-dogged."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on August 11, 2021, 02:12:49 PM
Seems it's a mystery.  Found this;

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/p03zrw/spoken_word_part_in_rime_of_the_ancient_mariner/

That thread is what prompted me to ask.  I'd honestly never thought about it before.


The response I got was that it was Richard Burton from a 1950's radio show.

Nope.  Here's the Richard Burton recording:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGH4p4z4s5A

The lines spoken in the Maiden song start at 10:19, and you can tell immediately it's not the same thing because Burton's cadence is different than what appears on the Maiden recording.  Also, Burton says "star-dog'd," whereas, on the Maiden recording, the narrator says "star-dogged."
I've found at least 2 different Burton recordings of it, and there are no doubt more. Originally it was suggested a radio broadcast. There's also an animated version he voiced, and a record he did of several poems. The voice definitely sounds like him, though as you said, the cadence is off, as is the pacing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on August 11, 2021, 02:35:29 PM
Loudwire has heard the album: https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-senjutsu-track-by-track-guide-review/

Great write-up that has me excited for my first listen!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2021, 03:16:05 PM
Loudwire has heard the album: https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-senjutsu-track-by-track-guide-review/

Great write-up that has me excited for my first listen!

Yeah, the write up is pretty solid and makes me salivate a bit
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 11, 2021, 09:02:51 PM
Sounds like anyone that rails against acoustic intros will have a field day on the Harris tunes. But as the author points out, that is how Steve sets his songs up. Deal with it.

Steve's songs are pretty much all amazing on their own, so I have zero problem with it.

Loudwire's review mentions the quiet intros a lot, but never mentions repeated choruses.
So people probably don't need to worry about that.   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cruithne on August 12, 2021, 01:45:39 AM
I've found at least 2 different Burton recordings of it, and there are no doubt more. Originally it was suggested a radio broadcast. There's also an animated version he voiced, and a record he did of several poems. The voice definitely sounds like him, though as you said, the cadence is off, as is the pacing.

I'm assuming the one being referred to was done for the BBC in 1952 as detailed @ https://www.richardburton.com/works/radio/

It's not certain it is Richard Burton either, it just sounds quite like him to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 12, 2021, 06:44:06 AM
Most of the people who rail against acoustic intros aren't going to be satisfied with anything except Powerslave II, so I'm not particularly concerned that the band do anything to satisfy them. Just write good songs. It's basically impossible to judge from the Loudwire piece whether they've done that, but there's enough there to build some excitement!

Come on. Why does the ratio have to be 1 Powerslave and 16 not? Wouldn't it be nice to have a more even ratio? Have a few bangers on an album for once that start energetic from the get go? Yes, I know they had a couple on BOS but they are few and far between.

And also no doubt you noticed, like I feared, that the reviewer mentioned those intros sound almost EXACTLY the same as other recent ones. Same chords, same key, same story. I'll listen to it of course, but not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 12, 2021, 07:23:20 AM
I mean, if you divide albums into "Powerslave" and "not-Powerslave," of course it's going to be uneven, but that's an utterly bizarre way to divide them up. I could just as easily say "Why does the ratio have to be one Book of Souls and 16 not? Wouldn't it be nice to have a more even ratio?"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 12, 2021, 10:01:07 AM
Most of the people who rail against acoustic intros aren't going to be satisfied with anything except Powerslave II, so I'm not particularly concerned that the band do anything to satisfy them. Just write good songs. It's basically impossible to judge from the Loudwire piece whether they've done that, but there's enough there to build some excitement!

Come on. Why does the ratio have to be 1 Powerslave and 16 not? Wouldn't it be nice to have a more even ratio? Have a few bangers on an album for once that start energetic from the get go? Yes, I know they had a couple on BOS but they are few and far between.

And also no doubt you noticed, like I feared, that the reviewer mentioned those intros sound almost EXACTLY the same as other recent ones. Same chords, same key, same story. I'll listen to it of course, but not getting my hopes up.

Preferences and tastes aside, but isn't it somewhat obvious what to expect from a new Iron Maiden record?

It is the sixth album of this formation and they all have several characteristics in common (many of them that are perennially discussed).

Is it really plausible to expect radical change? Expect the record to be full of mind-blowing riffs like some '80s records?

This discussion of new and old Iron Maiden is normal and expected. But let's assume that the last album of the old classic Iron Maiden is from 1988. It's 2021. In the meantime, all the albums haven't been what "fans of the classic phase expect". To still have some kind of expectation or hope in this regard is nothing short of amazing.

Of course, everyone dreams of what they want. I dream of checking my bank account and realizing that I am now a millionaire. It's just not very plausible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 12, 2021, 10:05:44 AM
Is it really that hard to start a song with an energetic uptempo riff? The guys aren't in wheelchairs. Keep some metal in there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 12, 2021, 10:13:24 AM
Is it really that hard to start a song with an energetic uptempo riff? The guys aren't in wheelchairs. Keep some metal in there.

No, it's not difficult. They could start off all the songs quite energetically. They could also start the songs with a small sax solo, accompanied by bongos.
They really could do anything they wanted.

Apparently they want to do it the way they are doing it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 12, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
Is it really that hard to start a song with an energetic uptempo riff? The guys aren't in wheelchairs. Keep some metal in there.

No, it's not difficult. They could start off all the songs quite energetically. They could also start the songs with a small sax solo, accompanied by bongos.
They really could do anything they wanted.

Apparently they want to do it the way they are doing it.

BUt I want them to want to do what I want.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 12, 2021, 10:36:45 AM
Is it really that hard to start a song with an energetic uptempo riff? The guys aren't in wheelchairs. Keep some metal in there.

No, it's not difficult. They could start off all the songs quite energetically. They could also start the songs with a small sax solo, accompanied by bongos.
They really could do anything they wanted.

Apparently they want to do it the way they are doing it.

BUt I want them to want to do what I want.

 :lol

We always do!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 12, 2021, 10:44:28 AM
Is it really that hard to start a song with an energetic uptempo riff? The guys aren't in wheelchairs. Keep some metal in there.

No, it's not difficult. They could start off all the songs quite energetically. They could also start the songs with a small sax solo, accompanied by bongos.
They really could do anything they wanted.

Apparently they want to do it the way they are doing it.

They could start off a song with some spacey synths and a nearly a capella verse, or with a lengthy piano-driven section, after not doing either for the previous 15 albums. Oh, wait...

Part of the issue here is that the criticism I hear from Dream Team and others is put forth as though it's about the band repeating themselves, but when you push on it, it actually turns out that it's about the band repeating a style that they don't like instead of repeating a style that they do like. "Please, stop repeating the style of your last five albums and start repeating the style of your first five albums!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 12, 2021, 11:40:24 AM
This "quiet intro" talk is funny. Depending on how you look at it, songs like Brave New World, No More Lies, Starblind, Look for the Truth, The Red and the Black and Where the Wild Wind Blows all have quiet intros, but you'd have to be really dishonest to say they're all immediately comparable or sound "the same" (similar, maybe? But it is the same band...). The intro lengths are different, the musical ideas are different, the songs themselves are different... I dunno, it's not something that irks me at all.

In fact, some songs that already start "balls to the wall heavy" in The Book of Souls aren't necessarily my favorites, like Where the River Runs Deep and Tears of a Clown. The Great Unknown and The Book of Souls have "quiet intros", but I perceive them as very heavy and impactful songs.

Different strokes, everyone is free to have their tastes... but I for sure am excited for what the boys are cooking this time around, quiet intro or otherwise!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 12, 2021, 12:38:47 PM
This "quiet intro" talk is funny. Depending on how you look at it, songs like Brave New World, No More Lies, Starblind, Look for the Truth, The Red and the Black and Where the Wild Wind Blows all have quiet intros, but you'd have to be really dishonest to say they're all immediately comparable or sound "the same" (similar, maybe? But it is the same band...). The intro lengths are different, the musical ideas are different, the songs themselves are different... I dunno, it's not something that irks me at all.

Part of what makes it funny, I think, is the use of so broad a term as "quiet." Like, speaking that generally, there's are really only two options for intros: "quiet" or "loud." Speaking in those terms, I'd say TBoS has six "quiet" intros and five "loud" ones, which seems really... normal? Just to pick another album off the shelf, let's take Dream Theater's heaviest album, Train of Thought. That album has five "quiet" intros and two "loud" ones. Or even a heavy classic, Master of Puppets: five "quiet" intros and three "loud" ones.

It would be a more understandable complaint if it was about a more specific type of intro—say, "acoustic intros," although even that's pretty general. But that's not the type of complaint that's raised, because there aren't actually enough of those to be considered overly repetitive. That's why I think it comes down to a complaint that everything isn't a four-minute rocker that's being repackaged as a criticism of "repetition," which has the advantage of seeming reasonable as long as one doesn't look at it too closely.

(Edited to fix the MoP tallies—forgot that Damage Inc. starts quiet, too)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 12, 2021, 05:20:54 PM
I think the issue I have with the soft intros are specifically to do with the ones that don't feel connected to the rest of the song (Benjamin Breeg, Lord Of Light, The Talisman, The Man Who Would Be King). I like dynamics & all, but when an acoustic/soft section lasts for like a minute & then abruptly ends & gets forgotten about, I can't help but feel like it's a bit of a waste. TBOS did a good job at making the dynamics feel continuous though, so I'm hoping Senjutsu follows up with that too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 12, 2021, 05:33:36 PM
I think the issue I have with the soft intros are specifically to do with the ones that don't feel connected to the rest of the song (Benjamin Breeg, Lord Of Light, The Talisman, The Man Who Would Be King). I like dynamics & all, but when an acoustic/soft section lasts for like a minute & then abruptly ends & gets forgotten about, I can't help but feel like it's a bit of a waste. TBOS did a good job at making the dynamics feel continuous though, so I'm hoping Senjutsu follows up with that too.

I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with the regarding The Man Who Would Be King – in fact, I think that song could've started with the coda, which is much more interesting to me. I feel like some of Dave Murray's tracks don't really recover their intros in the end (even great songs like The Prophecy finish someplace different, whereas Harris' songs tend to have a more circular quality to them, I think).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 12, 2021, 05:47:20 PM
The Talisman's intro perfectly sets up the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2021, 06:47:21 PM
The Talisman's intro perfectly sets up the song.

Indeed.

I never really had a problem with the intros.  I understand where people are coming from, but I've always enjoyed them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2021, 06:49:11 PM
I think the issue I have with the soft intros are specifically to do with the ones that don't feel connected to the rest of the song (Benjamin Breeg, Lord Of Light, The Talisman, The Man Who Would Be King). I like dynamics & all, but when an acoustic/soft section lasts for like a minute & then abruptly ends & gets forgotten about, I can't help but feel like it's a bit of a waste. TBOS did a good job at making the dynamics feel continuous though, so I'm hoping Senjutsu follows up with that too.

I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with the regarding The Man Who Would Be King – in fact, I think that song could've started with the coda, which is much more interesting to me. I feel like some of Dave Murray's tracks don't really recover their intros in the end (even great songs like The Prophecy finish someplace different, whereas Harris' songs tend to have a more circular quality to them, I think).

Dave's songwriting is different and unique.  I think his tracks add nice variety to their represented albums.  He's also not afraid to break out of the E minor mould also giving his tracks a different colour throughout the albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 13, 2021, 02:24:03 AM
The Talisman is perfect, the intro included. Fact. No arguments, please.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2021, 09:00:24 AM
The Talisman is perfect, the intro included. Fact. No arguments, please.  ;D

My favorite off TFF, no argument from me
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 13, 2021, 09:59:50 AM
I think the issue I have with the soft intros are specifically to do with the ones that don't feel connected to the rest of the song (Benjamin Breeg, Lord Of Light, The Talisman, The Man Who Would Be King). I like dynamics & all, but when an acoustic/soft section lasts for like a minute & then abruptly ends & gets forgotten about, I can't help but feel like it's a bit of a waste. TBOS did a good job at making the dynamics feel continuous though, so I'm hoping Senjutsu follows up with that too.

I'm fully with the others who say The Talisman's intro is perfect. In fact, I would put it as the best quiet intro of any Iron Maiden song. The Talisman tells a story and that acoustic intro is a vital part of the story, which elevates the later parts.

I also think The Man Who Would Be King and Lord of Light have beautiful intros, so I certainly would not want to give those up for some notion of slightly better cohesion. Benjamin Breeg is the only one of these that feels a bit extra, but I've never minded its existence, and wouldn't want to see it cut.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2021, 10:06:31 AM
Bruce got covid

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/)

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Bruce said he took a lateral-flow COVID test after he started feeling like he was getting a cold, and it came back positive. "I thought, 'Oh well, shit,'" he said. "I was kind of sneezing a bit. For a couple of days, I felt a bit groggy, kind of like the flu, and that was it. And I'm 63 years old. I've pretty much got no doubt that had I not had the vaccine, I could be in serious trouble."


Dickinson went on to say that he doesn't personally believe that fans attending concerts should be required to get vaccinated, calling it "a personal choice," However, he said that he hopes everyone will get the shot. "Personally, I think people are just very badly advised if they don't go and get themselves double jabbed as quickly as possible, not for the reasons of going into concerts, but for their own health," he said. "Having said that, even if you've had a double jab, you can still get COVID, and therefore you can spread it to other people who might not have been vaccinated and they might get very sick and die. Now you cannot legislate against mortality. There are many things in this world that kill people and they’re not illegal but are unfortunate. Cancer kills a lot of people. Heart attacks kill a lot of people. Obesity kills a lot of people. Malaria kills a shitload of people every year… So at some point, we have to just go, 'We're probably going to have to live with this. And if we're going to live with it, then you have your vaccination.'"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 13, 2021, 10:14:19 AM
Another short video (https://youtu.be/J-zpSoHx3LI) from the studio. This one is with Adrian.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on August 13, 2021, 10:30:37 AM
Bruce got covid

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/)

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Bruce said he took a lateral-flow COVID test after he started feeling like he was getting a cold, and it came back positive. "I thought, 'Oh well, shit,'" he said. "I was kind of sneezing a bit. For a couple of days, I felt a bit groggy, kind of like the flu, and that was it. And I'm 63 years old. I've pretty much got no doubt that had I not had the vaccine, I could be in serious trouble."


Dickinson went on to say that he doesn't personally believe that fans attending concerts should be required to get vaccinated, calling it "a personal choice," However, he said that he hopes everyone will get the shot. "Personally, I think people are just very badly advised if they don't go and get themselves double jabbed as quickly as possible, not for the reasons of going into concerts, but for their own health," he said. "Having said that, even if you've had a double jab, you can still get COVID, and therefore you can spread it to other people who might not have been vaccinated and they might get very sick and die. Now you cannot legislate against mortality. There are many things in this world that kill people and they’re not illegal but are unfortunate. Cancer kills a lot of people. Heart attacks kill a lot of people. Obesity kills a lot of people. Malaria kills a shitload of people every year… So at some point, we have to just go, 'We're probably going to have to live with this. And if we're going to live with it, then you have your vaccination.'"

Dang, hope he pulls through just fine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
The fact he says "that was it" makes me think he's either recovered or he's doing fine.  I'm not too worried based on what I read.  I'm glad he got vaxxed though, if he didn't, who knows the potential damage that could have been done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 13, 2021, 10:42:22 AM
No pun intended, the guy is a beast.  Cancer, COVID, a 15-foot Eddie, the guy just keeps coming out on top.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 13, 2021, 10:46:54 AM
Glad Bruce is okay. His take on the vaccine was very well-stated. I sort of hold my breath anytime a musician starts talking about anything like that these days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 13, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
Glad Bruce is okay. His take on the vaccine was very well-stated. I sort of hold my breath anytime a musician starts talking about anything like that these days.

Yeah, as much as I love to troll on people believing the stupidiest things on the web, I must say he told what he told very brilliantly managing to be both sincere and diplomatic at the same time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 13, 2021, 12:32:35 PM
I applaud his perspective and how he worded it.

Unfortunate he got it, also glad to know he didn't it too bad either. Not enough to be hospitalized, now that would have been worrying.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 13, 2021, 10:40:14 PM
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/iron-maidens-new-album-senjutsu-facts-and-oddities/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2021, 10:42:59 PM
Bruce got covid

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-being-fully-vaccinated/)

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Bruce said he took a lateral-flow COVID test after he started feeling like he was getting a cold, and it came back positive. "I thought, 'Oh well, shit,'" he said. "I was kind of sneezing a bit. For a couple of days, I felt a bit groggy, kind of like the flu, and that was it. And I'm 63 years old. I've pretty much got no doubt that had I not had the vaccine, I could be in serious trouble."


Dickinson went on to say that he doesn't personally believe that fans attending concerts should be required to get vaccinated, calling it "a personal choice," However, he said that he hopes everyone will get the shot. "Personally, I think people are just very badly advised if they don't go and get themselves double jabbed as quickly as possible, not for the reasons of going into concerts, but for their own health," he said. "Having said that, even if you've had a double jab, you can still get COVID, and therefore you can spread it to other people who might not have been vaccinated and they might get very sick and die. Now you cannot legislate against mortality. There are many things in this world that kill people and they’re not illegal but are unfortunate. Cancer kills a lot of people. Heart attacks kill a lot of people. Obesity kills a lot of people. Malaria kills a shitload of people every year… So at some point, we have to just go, 'We're probably going to have to live with this. And if we're going to live with it, then you have your vaccination.'"

Love this man.  Hope he recovers well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 14, 2021, 06:40:01 AM
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/iron-maidens-new-album-senjutsu-facts-and-oddities/
Very cool curiosities, Rodrigo!
About the 13, although not 100% sure, I believe that Wildest Dreams from Dance of Death was played live before the release of the album, in a short greatest hits tour.

Edit: yes, it was: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/2003/coliseum-corunna-spain-3bd39ca8.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 15, 2021, 09:33:48 AM
Here's a cool review from my buddy Tim from Bravewords: https://bravewords.com/reviews/iron-maiden-senjutsu

Note that he says something along the lines of "the problem of this song is that it just keeps going, and should be 3 minutes shorter" more than once...expect to be unimpressed with a few passages.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 15, 2021, 09:42:59 AM
Here's a cool review from my buddy Tim from Bravewords: https://bravewords.com/reviews/iron-maiden-senjutsu

Note that he says something along the lines of "the problem of this song is that it just keeps going, and should be 3 minutes shorter" more than once...expect to be unimpressed with a few passages.

Huh..

That review has been up for a few days now, and I've held off against reading it. The reason is that I just expected a rubber stamped 10 on it.

A 7? Wow.. Bravewords is nobody's bitch!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 15, 2021, 10:18:46 AM
Here's a cool review from my buddy Tim from Bravewords: https://bravewords.com/reviews/iron-maiden-senjutsu

Note that he says something along the lines of "the problem of this song is that it just keeps going, and should be 3 minutes shorter" more than once...expect to be unimpressed with a few passages.
Well, I think that he only says that about 2 songs and this is what I normally feel about every album from the reunion era. Nowadays I'm cool with that and this doesn't take away my overall joy in listening to the new albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 15, 2021, 11:09:08 AM
Ironically those little cuts suggested by the reviewer were all that it took to not go for a double album again  :D

Sounds an honest and after all promising review, after all. I mean, all the songs seem to have something interesting, a couple maybe are a bit too long - didn't we already knew it in the last 20 years?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on August 16, 2021, 04:20:35 AM
I usually like long winded atmospheric reunion era Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 16, 2021, 06:20:13 AM
I usually like long winded atmospheric reunion era Maiden.

Me too. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on August 16, 2021, 06:44:13 PM
I usually like long winded atmospheric reunion era Maiden.

Me too.
Me too. I don’t mind that the album is polarizing, probably a good sign that this will be unique.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2021, 09:25:57 PM
I'm down for them too.

Really itching to hear another song too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WildRanger on August 17, 2021, 01:32:22 AM
How would you rate their ballad "Wasting Love"?

I'd rate it 8/10.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 17, 2021, 05:31:50 AM
How would you rate their ballad "Wasting Love"?

I'd rate it 8/10.

Appreciate Maiden doing something different and especially a cheesy love song. Good song but not one of their bests.  Janick thrives with these sorts of solo sections.

6.9/10.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on August 17, 2021, 06:11:04 AM
7/10 seems about right, maybe even slightly generous. It is not bad by any means, but not what I think Maiden does best. The song was stylistically worth the shot, even though they were five years late.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 17, 2021, 08:46:37 AM
How would you rate their ballad "Wasting Love"?

I'd rate it 8/10.

4/10
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 17, 2021, 09:12:38 AM
It’s a decent enough song. I’ve never had a problem with it and I like that they wrote something like that, which was quite different for them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 17, 2021, 11:52:18 AM
 I'm listening to the whole Maiden catalogue in sequence in anticipation for the new album. While going through The Number of the beast today I remember telling a friend about The Prisoner and saying that "this is a longer song, with lots of ideas and moods in it, and it's really cool". At 06min03s, nowadays this would be considered a shorter song in their catalogue.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 18, 2021, 02:44:55 PM
I'm listening to the whole Maiden catalogue in sequence in anticipation for the new album. While going through The Number of the beast today I remember telling a friend about The Prisoner and saying that "this is a longer song, with lots of ideas and moods in it, and it's really cool". At 06min03s, nowadays this would be considered a shorter song in their catalogue.

Me too.

Listening to the two albums from the 90s with Bruce (and generally less commented) I decided to make a top 10 of my favorite songs (from both albums):

01 Fear of the Dark
02 Wasting Love
03 Tailgunner
04 No Prayer for the Dying
05 Be Quick or Be Dead
06 Afraid to Shoot Strangers
07 Mother Russia
08 Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter
09 Holy Smoke
10 Fear is the Key

If someone else does too, it would be interesting to see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 18, 2021, 02:51:58 PM
I'm listening to the whole Maiden catalogue in sequence in anticipation for the new album. While going through The Number of the beast today I remember telling a friend about The Prisoner and saying that "this is a longer song, with lots of ideas and moods in it, and it's really cool". At 06min03s, nowadays this would be considered a shorter song in their catalogue.

Me too.

Listening to the two albums from the 90s with Bruce (and generally less commented) I decided to make a top 10 of my favorite songs (from both albums):

01 Fear of the Dark
02 Wasting Love
03 Tailgunner
04 No Prayer for the Dying
05 Be Quick or Be Dead
06 Afraid to Shoot Strangers
07 Mother Russia
08 Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter
09 Holy Smoke
10 Fear is the Key

If someone else does too, it would be interesting to see.

I wouldn't necessarily pick the same ones, but if you take the best ten songs from both albums, they would be a pretty solid effort. "Fear of the Dying" would kick ass!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 18, 2021, 02:55:51 PM
I've posted mine a couple of times in this thread. I'll have to find it..or make another one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on August 18, 2021, 03:08:19 PM
I'd have to think about it...looking at your list, one that I would have for sure that you don't have is Judas Be My Guide...one of my favorites out of those two albums and a hidden gem for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 18, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
Anyway, seems like tomorrow we might get the second single (Stratego).

...or maybe not, who knows!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 18, 2021, 03:31:40 PM
Anyway, seems like tomorrow we might get the second single (Stratego).

...or maybe not, who knows!

Yes
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 18, 2021, 03:35:10 PM
In the words of Reggie Fils Aimé, "my body is ready".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 18, 2021, 03:39:56 PM
No Prayer For The Dark (Fear Of The Dying)


Side 1
Be Quick Or Be Dead
Run Silent Run Deep
Afraid To Shoot Strangers
Fear Is The Key
The Assassin
No Prayer For The Dying

Side 2
The Fugitive
Public Enema Number One
Wasting Love
Childhood's End
Judas Be My Guide
Fear Of The Dark
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 18, 2021, 03:58:21 PM
I'll give it a shot...

Be Quick or Be Dead
From Here to Eternity
No Prayer for the Dying
Running Silent Running Deep
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Judas Be My Guide
Tailgunner
Wasting Love
Mother Russia
Childhood's End
Fear of the Dark

and if I'm being honest, this album would still rank fairly low compared to the rest of the albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 18, 2021, 06:30:23 PM

I wouldn't necessarily pick the same ones, but if you take the best ten songs from both albums, they would be a pretty solid effort. "Fear of the Dying" would kick ass!!!

 :metal

I'd have to think about it...looking at your list, one that I would have for sure that you don't have is Judas Be My Guide...one of my favorites out of those two albums and a hidden gem for me.

It's a cool song  :tup

No Prayer For The Dark (Fear Of The Dying)


Side 1
Be Quick Or Be Dead
Run Silent Run Deep
Afraid To Shoot Strangers
Fear Is The Key
The Assassin
No Prayer For The Dying

Side 2
The Fugitive
Public Enema Number One
Wasting Love
Childhood's End
Judas Be My Guide
Fear Of The Dark

I'll give it a shot...

Be Quick or Be Dead
From Here to Eternity
No Prayer for the Dying
Running Silent Running Deep
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Judas Be My Guide
Tailgunner
Wasting Love
Mother Russia
Childhood's End
Fear of the Dark

and if I'm being honest, this album would still rank fairly low compared to the rest of the albums.

 It's nice to see your lists   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 18, 2021, 06:36:05 PM
Anyway, seems like tomorrow we might get the second single (Stratego).

...or maybe not, who knows!

Daniel (the prophet) posted a picture of the Stratego game on twitter.  :)

https://twitter.com/Bels_Feast
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 18, 2021, 06:37:54 PM
No Fear for the Dying Dark

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. Public Enema Number One
3. No Prayer for the Dying
4. Fates Warning
5. Childhoods End
6. The Fugitive
7. Run Silent Run Deep
8. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
9. Fear is the Key
10. Judas Be My Guide
11. Mother Russia
12. Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 18, 2021, 08:25:04 PM
The songs I would definitely keep:

No Prayer for the Dying
Public Enema Number One
Fates Warning
Run Silent Run Deep
Mother Russia

Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Judas Be My Guide
Fear of the Dark

If I ought to take about four more, I guess they would be:
Tailgunner
Be Quick or Be Dead
From Here to Eternity
Wasting Love

I don't know how much running order matters with these, to be honest. Be Quick or Be Dead is the obvious opener, and to me Mother Russia rather than Fear should be the closer.

Six from each makes sense seeing that I think of these two albums as both being around seven songs deep (so much the worse for FotD that it has 12 songs instead of 10).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on August 19, 2021, 12:55:35 AM
Fear Of No Prayer For The Dark Dying

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. Tailgunner
3. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
4. Public Enema Number One
5. Fear Is the Key
6. No Prayer for the Dying
7. Judas Be My Guide
8. The Assassin
9. The Fugitive
10. Run Silent Run Deep
11. Childhood's End
12. Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 19, 2021, 12:57:20 AM
The Assassin just missed out for me.  As cheesy as it is, I love the atmosphere of it, and love Bruce on the chorus.  Great driving rhythm too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on August 19, 2021, 02:17:03 AM
If I had to put the best songs from No prayer and Fear together in order to create one album, it would still be the worst Iron Maiden album.  ;D

I'll give it a shot, though. These would probably be the songs, even though I'm not positive about the order. There is no song that would make a good opener.  :lol

1. Fear of the dark
2. From here to eternity
3. No prayer for the dying
4. Fear is the key
5. Fates warning
6. Wasting love
7. Run silent run deep
8. Afraid to shoot strangers
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 19, 2021, 03:29:55 AM
It's official, we're getting Stratego this evening! (when it's evening in Europe, 19:00 in Italy for example)  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 19, 2021, 03:30:52 AM
Indeed!

https://www.facebook.com/ironmaiden/posts/380578723434481
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 19, 2021, 04:27:46 AM
Maybe just an EP:

Judas Be My Guide
Public Enema Number One
No Prayer For The Dying
Run Silent Run Deep
Fear Of The Dark

ATSStrangers almost made it but it's similar to NPFTD, imo, but doesn't repeat the name of the song over and over, which annoys me and, in this case, I don't enjoy the phrase. Also, NPFTD has a really raucous lead section leaning into that "God give me the answer to my..." section, which is nice.

I just played this playlist on Spotify and it was rather smashing.

EDIT: OOF! Just seen the new single news. Awesome!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on August 19, 2021, 05:13:20 AM
Looking at these Prayer/Fear mashups confirms my thoughts that I am truly the only Maiden fan who likes (actually loves) Hooks in You.....and I have a soft spot for Bring Your Daughter...

I actually really like 'No Prayer..' - it's a weaker Maiden album for sure, but that doesn't make it bad.   Fear of the Dark however is quite bad in general I'm not ever a fan of the title track to be honest.  It's an album on those rare occasions I do listen to it all the way though feels like a collection of B-Sides - not just in quality but also because it's the only Maiden album has very little flow and cohesion to it in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 19, 2021, 07:42:41 AM
I... like Hooks in You, but when I'm asked to sit down and look at the album I can't really class it among the stronger tracks there.

I might like Bring Your Daughter if it had different lyrics. As is I just cringe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 19, 2021, 07:47:46 AM
I listened to No Prayer and FOTD back to back recently. I still like No PRayer a lot, even though Bruce says he hated the final result. And to me, FOTD is Maiden's attempt at getting into a more mainstream sound without compromising their integrity, but I don't think they reached their objective. There are some VERY solid tracks in it though, but with some obvious turds like The Apparition and Weekend Warrior.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on August 19, 2021, 07:55:05 AM
I... like Hooks in You, but when I'm asked to sit down and look at the album I can't really class it among the stronger tracks there.

I might like Bring Your Daughter if it had different lyrics. As is I just cringe.

It always amuses me it ended up as a Number One in the UK - The only time Maiden topped the singles charts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 19, 2021, 07:57:21 AM
And to me, FOTD is Maiden's attempt at getting into a more mainstream sound without compromising their integrity, but I don't think they reached their objective.

Yeah, I can agree with this. Fear of the Dark was Maiden's answer to the Black Album, in a sense. But while Metallica went all in with the precise operation to break into the mainstream, Maiden made a bit of a mish mash of everything: their own style + some more accessible songs + that weird time when Bruce sang in a weird way.

Metallica had Enter Sandman, Nothing Else Matters and The Unforgiven, Maiden had... what, Wasting Love and Fear of the Dark? as awesome as the title track is, it's no Enter Sandman when it comes to immediately hooking up a non metal fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 19, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Speaking of Iron Maiden and Metallica/TBA.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/bruce_dickinson_speaks_on_why_iron_maiden_failed_to_reach_massive_success_like_metallica_talks_what_his_band_lacked.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 19, 2021, 08:03:17 AM
And to me, FOTD is Maiden's attempt at getting into a more mainstream sound without compromising their integrity, but I don't think they reached their objective.

Yeah, I can agree with this. Fear of the Dark was Maiden's answer to the Black Album, in a sense. But while Metallica went all in with the precise operation to break into the mainstream, Maiden made a bit of a mish mash of everything: their own style + some more accessible songs + that weird time when Bruce sang in a weird way.

Metallica had Enter Sandman, Nothing Else Matters and The Unforgiven, Maiden had... what, Wasting Love and Fear of the Dark? as awesome as the title track is, it's no Enter Sandman when it comes to immediately hooking up a non metal fan.

Agreed. And come to think of it, on NPFTD and FOTD, they changed the lyrics style, from fantasy themes to more "current affairs" stuff - televangelists, the downfall of Russia, the Gulf War, crooked politicians, AIDS etc. That to me is an obvious sign of them wanting to get into the mainstream, but they didn't go to the extreme that Metallica did, and at the same time didn't stick to their roots. No wonder Bruce left and adopted a completely modernized sound in his solo career.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 19, 2021, 08:42:12 AM
Looking at these Prayer/Fear mashups confirms my thoughts that I am truly the only Maiden fan who likes (actually loves) Hooks in You.....and I have a soft spot for Bring Your Daughter...

I actually really like 'No Prayer..' - it's a weaker Maiden album for sure, but that doesn't make it bad.   Fear of the Dark however is quite bad in general I'm not ever a fan of the title track to be honest.  It's an album on those rare occasions I do listen to it all the way though feels like a collection of B-Sides - not just in quality but also because it's the only Maiden album has very little flow and cohesion to it in my opinion.

Hooks In You has an AMAZING riff. It's the lyrics that put it in the stinky box, imo, but that riff is great. Don't mind most of NPFTD but I don't love it. The sound is really good and I prefer it to TBOS. Controversial, possibly.

FOTD is pretty much unlistenable to me. The sound is weak, and Bruce is still doing that stupid raspy shit he started doing in NPFTD too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 19, 2021, 08:45:07 AM
If someone forced me to put one more song on my list, Hooks in You or Holy Smoke were my next choices.  I do like Hooks in You a bit, but yeah, like DoctoerAction said, the lyrics aren't very good.  I think the lyrics really ruin quite a bit of the songs on those two albums.

Also, seems we should be getting the release of Stratego soon!  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on August 19, 2021, 09:33:25 AM
Don't mind most of NPFTD but I don't love it. The sound is really good and I prefer it to TBOS. Controversial, possibly.

Wouldn't put it over TBOS.....but (also controversial) I'd put NPFTD over A Matter of Life and Death (the weakest of the reunion albums for me).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 19, 2021, 09:41:50 AM
If someone forced me to put one more song on my list, Hooks in You or Holy Smoke were my next choices.  I do like Hooks in You a bit, but yeah, like DoctoerAction said, the lyrics aren't very good.  I think the lyrics really ruin quite a bit of the songs on those two albums.

I fully agree with this, right down to HIY and HS being the first choice out from my list. I don't think it's entirely an accident that a lot of my favorite songs from those two albums are ones with better lyrics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 19, 2021, 09:43:57 AM
Side 1
"Tailgunner"
"Holy Smoke"   
"No Prayer for the Dying"
"Public Enema Number One"   
"Run Silent Run Deep"   
"Hooks in You"   

Side 2
"From Here to Eternity"
"Afraid to Shoot Strangers"
"Fear Is the Key"   
"Wasting Love"   
"The Fugitive"
"Fear of the Dark"

Japanese Bonus Tracks
"All in Your Mind"
"Kill Me Ce Soir"

Last song cut: "Childhood's End"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on August 19, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
Seems fun, I'll bite!

Top 10 of No Prayer/Fear:

1. Fear of The Dark
2. Judas be My Guide
3. Public Enema Number One
4. Fates Warning
5. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
6. Bring Your Daughter To the Slaughter
7. Hooks in You (!!!!)
8. The Fugitive
9. Chains of Misery
10. Childhood's End

I actually like both albums a lot. Especially No Prayer for the Dying has been growing on me, but so has sides B and C of Fear of the Dark. There are some turds there as well, no doubt, but overall quality stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on August 19, 2021, 10:55:40 AM
Don't mind most of NPFTD but I don't love it. The sound is really good and I prefer it to TBOS. Controversial, possibly.

Wouldn't put it over TBOS.....but (also controversial) I'd put NPFTD over A Matter of Life and Death (the weakest of the reunion albums for me).

Finally! A kindred spirit!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on August 19, 2021, 10:57:33 AM
Don't mind most of NPFTD but I don't love it. The sound is really good and I prefer it to TBOS. Controversial, possibly.

Wouldn't put it over TBOS.....but (also controversial) I'd put NPFTD over A Matter of Life and Death (the weakest of the reunion albums for me).

Finally! A kindred spirit!

Add me to the list as well.  :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 19, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpuwr9fF7kw
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 19, 2021, 11:15:28 AM
This sounds more like typical IM, very good song on first listen.  Love the melody of the chorus.  Galloping horse beat.  Interesting use of synths. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 19, 2021, 11:30:47 AM
Don't mind most of NPFTD but I don't love it. The sound is really good and I prefer it to TBOS. Controversial, possibly.

Wouldn't put it over TBOS.....but (also controversial) I'd put NPFTD over A Matter of Life and Death (the weakest of the reunion albums for me).

*gasps* :lol

The new single makes me very comfortable.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on August 19, 2021, 11:35:40 AM
The verses sound similar to the chorus of Megadeth's Angry Again. Not a bad song though. Modern Maiden doesn't really do it for me though, sadly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 19, 2021, 11:36:50 AM
Cool song! now the difficult part, forget about it until September 3rd.

Well, I'm going on vacation, so I will be busy  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on August 19, 2021, 11:45:15 AM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on August 19, 2021, 11:45:43 AM
Pretty cool.

It could be a single kick but it almost sounds like he is playing with a double kick pedal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 19, 2021, 11:56:53 AM
The initial riff sounds a lot like the chorus of Powerslave.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
It sounds like something off the back end of Dance Of Death.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 19, 2021, 12:05:49 PM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.

That mess of notes would never come from Dave. It's textbook JAnnick.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 19, 2021, 12:18:55 PM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.

The first solo of Writing on the Wall is by Dave.


Stratego is a cool song. But WOTW is way better IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 19, 2021, 12:19:33 PM
For those cares, here's an interview with Bruce from Loudwire.  Video and written highlights.

https://loudwire.com/bruce-dickinson-iron-maiden-senjutsu-interview/

This was a very fun answer.

Quote
It’s so different than the things Maiden have done in the past. Now, if you had a time machine, where — or when — would you travel to first?

I’d go back to the resurrection [of Jesus Christ]. I’d actually want to be standing outside the tomb going, “Okay, it’s been three days — it’s a pretty rotten way to spend Easter. It's about time — alright, c’mon, let’s have a look at you then.” Let’s see if that was all just symbolism and bullshit.

I think there’s some seminal events like that…

Adam and Eve would’ve been a good moment. You could’ve really screwed with history there if you’d have just hit Adam over the head and said, “Actually, Adam, sorry mate, it’s Bruce. It’s going to be Bruce and Eve. We’re going to have to change things around.”

Obviously, we shoehorned Adam and Eve into the video at the end because we needed a positive ending! We’ve got this cataclysmic ending which is a kind of nod toward the movie Dr. Strangelove [directed by] Stanley Kubrick. At the end of it all, they’ve got this song [that was popular during World War II] and it was kind of an homage to that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on August 19, 2021, 12:25:55 PM
Sounds like "comfortable" Maiden...unfortunately also in that it lacks a bit of energy (which is more noticeable in a song like this, as I guess it's supposed to be a punchier number)

My first impression is OK, not great. Not a huge fan of the guitar fully replicating the vocal melody in the verse. Chorus is pretty good. Also (and I've said it before), I'd like to hear Bruce sing more in the range he uses for the verse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on August 19, 2021, 12:30:28 PM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.

The first solo of Writing on the Wall is by Dave.


Stratego is a cool song. But WOTW is way better IMO.

Thanks! I had thought it was all Adrian, but then I only listened to WOTW once and it didn't grab me enough to want to check it out again, at least until I could hear it in the context of the whole record.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on August 19, 2021, 12:34:12 PM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.

That mess of notes would never come from Dave. It's textbook JAnnick.

  :rollin  That's what I sort of figured. But then I'm a fan of Jannick's "mess of notes" approach.

[edit: to be fair IMO Dave's constant use of trilling notes is about as "messy" as it gets when it comes to guitar soloing. He still sounds great and I love what he does] 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 19, 2021, 12:38:06 PM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.

The first solo of Writing on the Wall is by Dave.


Stratego is a cool song. But WOTW is way better IMO.

Thanks! I had thought it was all Adrian, but then I only listened to WOTW once and it didn't grab me enough to want to check it out again, at least until I could hear it in the context of the whole record.

 :tup

It's not a standard Dave Murray solo, full of legato. It looks like Adrian Smith's anyway.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 19, 2021, 01:49:43 PM
The verses sound similar to the chorus of Megadeth's Angry Again. Not a bad song though. Modern Maiden doesn't really do it for me though, sadly.

The chorus melody and rhythm reminds me of the chorus to Nemo by Nightwish.  :lol

Based on my first listen, it's a good song. It's Maiden, and the band is great on it as well.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on August 19, 2021, 01:50:26 PM
I'm really liking "Stratego"! :tup

Out of the Reunion era, Single/short songs, I'm liking this more than Speed of Light, El Dorado and Wildest Dreams already! About on par with Different World and Rainmaker but Wicker Man is obviously better.

Still, really liking it! Chorus is great!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 19, 2021, 02:22:03 PM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.

The first solo of Writing on the Wall is by Dave.


Stratego is a cool song. But WOTW is way better IMO.

Thanks! I had thought it was all Adrian, but then I only listened to WOTW once and it didn't grab me enough to want to check it out again, at least until I could hear it in the context of the whole record.

I only listed to WOTW once and thought both were Adrian but I had a listen back just now and Dedalus is correct, first one is Dave.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 19, 2021, 02:24:11 PM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.

The first solo of Writing on the Wall is by Dave.


Stratego is a cool song. But WOTW is way better IMO.

Thanks! I had thought it was all Adrian, but then I only listened to WOTW once and it didn't grab me enough to want to check it out again, at least until I could hear it in the context of the whole record.

 :tup

It's not a standard Dave Murray solo, full of legato. It looks like Adrian Smith's anyway.  :)

The last lick of the solo is textbook Dave but yeah a bit tame for his usual thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 19, 2021, 02:36:07 PM
Good song with very good melodies, but as far as the shortest singles from 2000 on, I think Wicker Man, Final Frontier, El Dorado and Speed of Light are easily better, more punchier and captivating.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 19, 2021, 02:41:15 PM
Pretty cool.

It could be a single kick but it almost sounds like he is playing with a double kick pedal.
I was about to say that's single kick using two upstrokes but it actually sounds like he's playing 3 strokes (1 eightnote and two 16th in repeat) which is hard to play not using a double pedal. I know he's used double pedals atleast one time in the past.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 19, 2021, 02:47:36 PM
Still no solo from Dave? Sounded like like it was all Janick, but then again I easily mistake stuff.

The first solo of Writing on the Wall is by Dave.


Stratego is a cool song. But WOTW is way better IMO.

Thanks! I had thought it was all Adrian, but then I only listened to WOTW once and it didn't grab me enough to want to check it out again, at least until I could hear it in the context of the whole record.

 :tup

It's not a standard Dave Murray solo, full of legato. It looks like Adrian Smith's anyway.  :)

The last lick of the solo is textbook Dave but yeah a bit tame for his usual thing.

You're right!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 19, 2021, 02:50:18 PM
Good song with very good melodies, but as far as the shortest singles from 2000 on, I think Wicker Man, Final Frontier, El Dorado and Speed of Light are easily better, more punchier and captivating.

I agree with The Wicker Man.
I don't know about The Final Frontier
But I disagree on the others. I'm not a big fan of El Dorado and Speed of Light.
 :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 19, 2021, 03:34:26 PM
That’s Ok, only me and Bosk really like El Dorado ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 19, 2021, 03:50:49 PM
That’s Ok, only me and Bosk really like El Dorado ;D

Don't get me started on El Dorado.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2021, 03:51:29 PM
That’s Ok, only me and Bosk really like El Dorado ;D

Don't get me started on El Dorado.

Don't get me started on Bosk. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 19, 2021, 04:04:19 PM
That’s Ok, only me and Bosk really like El Dorado ;D

Don't get me started on El Dorado.

Don't get me started on Bosk. ;D

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 19, 2021, 06:19:41 PM
That’s Ok, only me and Bosk really like El Dorado ;D

Don't get me started on El Dorado.

Don't get me started on Bosk. ;D

I like both Bosk and El Dorado.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2021, 06:32:11 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/F7bCXVh32ysAAAAC/teachers-pet-teachers-pet-be-like.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 19, 2021, 06:32:37 PM
Looking forward to checking this tune out.  Good to hear it's somewhat more in the traditional Maiden style.

I'm holding off til tonight to listen though after work.  Not in the right headspace to absorb this this morning.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 19, 2021, 06:33:09 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/F7bCXVh32ysAAAAC/teachers-pet-teachers-pet-be-like.gif)

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 19, 2021, 06:35:14 PM
I feel like Janick's guitar line behind the verse is a little too soft. Hopefully on the album it's a bit more stated.

It's a cool track for sure though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 19, 2021, 10:02:05 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/F7bCXVh32ysAAAAC/teachers-pet-teachers-pet-be-like.gif)

 :lol What class is bosk teaching?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on August 19, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
Speaking of NPftD, I didn't get in to Maiden till after DoD, so I had to backtrack on most of their albums. I held off on this one the longest due to all the bad things I'd heard about it, but eventually I bought it for competitionist sake. I can't honestly say I've ever listened to it more than a couple times. I certainly couldn't name all the songs on it.

And I know I am in the minority here, but I never listen to a song and know, or even wonder, who is playing which solo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 19, 2021, 10:58:00 PM
I know who plays some of my favorite solos, and I'm familiar enough with their style to make an educated guess and who plays a solo if I really concentrate, but I don't know off the top of my head who plays most of the solos in their catalog.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 19, 2021, 11:47:44 PM
I know who plays some of my favorite solos, and I'm familiar enough with their style to make an educated guess and who plays a solo if I really concentrate, but I don't know off the top of my head who plays most of the solos in their catalog.

I love this sort of stuff.  Would anyone want a rundown for every album?  I think I'm pretty clued up although the debut would need a relisten.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 20, 2021, 12:09:44 AM
I know who plays some of my favorite solos, and I'm familiar enough with their style to make an educated guess and who plays a solo if I really concentrate, but I don't know off the top of my head who plays most of the solos in their catalog.

I love this sort of stuff.  Would anyone want a rundown for every album?  I think I'm pretty clued up although the debut would need a relisten.

Yeah, I'm in.  :tup I think I know who is who when I listen but there might be some fun surprises.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 20, 2021, 12:27:07 AM
Cool, anything to keep building the hype for the new album.  Probably Sunday night I'll do this when I have a couple of hours to myself in front of the PC.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 20, 2021, 12:30:56 AM
Actually, don't need to.  I found this;

https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/is-there-a-website-source-that-shows-who-plays-each-guitar-solo-in-the-songs.25418/

Skimming through though I think there's a couple of ones that may not be right.  Most look fine though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 20, 2021, 02:20:15 AM
Actually, don't need to.  I found this;

https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/is-there-a-website-source-that-shows-who-plays-each-guitar-solo-in-the-songs.25418/

Skimming through though I think there's a couple of ones that may not be right.  Most look fine though.

Cool. Which ones would you fix?

And I noticed that The Book of Souls is missing.

I'll start:

01) If Eternity Should Fail
6:14 : Smith (background)

02) Speed of Light
2:48 : Murray
3:08 : Smith

03) The Great Unknown
3:07 : Gers
4:32 : Smith
4:53 : Murray

EDIT: Nevermind, I found all the solos from The Book of Souls on a French website  :lol

https://maidenfrance.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3911
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 20, 2021, 06:09:05 AM
Wow, that song was bloody excellent.  Loved Janicks solo too honestly, and Bruce sounds great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 20, 2021, 06:48:04 AM
I think the production of TWOTW and this one are very good, kind of a mix of BNW and AMOLAD (although the DOD 2015 remaster is my fave from the new era)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 20, 2021, 07:33:19 AM
Both songs have a muddy production, perhaps the CD version will be better/clearer. Maybe it's the Youtube/Spotify quality that sucks the life out of them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 20, 2021, 07:50:52 AM
Both songs have a muddy production, perhaps the CD version will be better/clearer. Maybe it's the Youtube/Spotify quality that sucks the life out of them.

Just Steve being a weirdo. Wants the studio stuff to sound live, even though they release live versions anyway with studio-quality production.  ???
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 20, 2021, 09:05:46 AM
Both songs have a muddy production, perhaps the CD version will be better/clearer. Maybe it's the Youtube/Spotify quality that sucks the life out of them.

I haven't even listened to the DT single for this reason.   I'm not as married to the "perfect sound quality" as many people here - I think the Maiden records and the DT records sound fine (in fact, I LOVE the sound of almost all the DT records) - but listening on a computer is sub-optimal.   I HATED the early releases for ADTOE and DT so much I stopped listening to them and just wait for the CD to be released. 

I'm not listening to Maiden for pristine sound; frankly, I just wanted to hear how Bruce sounded, so I listened.  I liked.  CD bought, job done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 20, 2021, 09:11:27 AM
Wow, that song was bloody excellent.  Loved Janicks solo too honestly, and Bruce sounds great.

I really liked it too, seems to have gotten a so-so response from a lot of people which kind of surprises me.

Both songs have a muddy production, perhaps the CD version will be better/clearer. Maybe it's the Youtube/Spotify quality that sucks the life out of them.

I'm not the biggest fan of the sound here either.  However, the non music video version of TWOTW was actually much better sounding than the original music video released sound.  I'm going to think the album will sound a bit better, but probably still not be the best sounding album. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 20, 2021, 10:55:02 AM
I look at modern Maiden albums with the aim of sounding like '70s rock albums with a modern twist. I would also prefer them to sound more like Priest's Firepower, but it's clear Steve doesn't want that kind of sound. I analyze Maiden's sound quality these days with that in mind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 20, 2021, 02:12:11 PM
Both songs have a muddy production, perhaps the CD version will be better/clearer. Maybe it's the Youtube/Spotify quality that sucks the life out of them.

I'm not on the team that discusses a lot about production, on the contrary, I think there's a lot of exaggeration these days. I feel like I've been at a congress of sound engineers in most of the discussions about music in the last 10 or 15 years  :lol

That said, in that case I fully agree.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on August 20, 2021, 03:16:49 PM
I think the production of TWOTW and this one are very good, kind of a mix of BNW and AMOLAD (although the DOD 2015 remaster is my fave from the new era)

Curious as to the bolded reagrding DoD. I really love that album, but the production was horrid. Does the 2015 edition really improve the sound quality over the original? I'd consider a double dip if it was better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on August 20, 2021, 03:31:06 PM
I'm not loving the guitar doubling of the vocal lines.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 20, 2021, 03:46:03 PM
I think the production of TWOTW and this one are very good, kind of a mix of BNW and AMOLAD (although the DOD 2015 remaster is my fave from the new era)

Curious as to the bolded reagrding DoD. I really love that album, but the production was horrid. Does the 2015 edition really improve the sound quality over the original? I'd consider a double dip if it was better.

I've read a lot about the 2015 remasters and there is quite a lot of opinion that the 2015 sounds quite a lot better.  I contemplated purchasing all the 2015 remasters but haven't done so yet.  Probably won't either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 20, 2021, 04:03:07 PM
I think the production of TWOTW and this one are very good, kind of a mix of BNW and AMOLAD (although the DOD 2015 remaster is my fave from the new era)

Curious as to the bolded reagrding DoD. I really love that album, but the production was horrid. Does the 2015 edition really improve the sound quality over the original? I'd consider a double dip if it was better.

Well, I believe it's the version avaible nowadays on itunes and spotify, if you want to check it out first. In my perception, the remaster version of DOD is the one that makes more difference. I've always find DOD's mix very interesting because, from 2000 on, IMO it's the mix where the guitars are more predominant, but its mastering really did a disservice. Also I think the 2015 remaster of the first album added a lot! :tup
But, hear  it for yourself since my opinion about the sound quality of the new songs has being crushed  :D :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on August 20, 2021, 10:50:33 PM
I'm not loving the guitar doubling of the vocal lines.

I haven't listened to it yet - might as well wait for the album now - but this is one of relative dislikes with second-coming Maiden, doesn't matter which song it is. I never quite understand why it's necessary. But perhaps that's why I'm an account director rather than a rock star :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on August 21, 2021, 10:45:37 AM
Turned Stratego on while my 3 year old and I were playing dolls. This conversation ensued:

"Why are you playing that song?"
"Because I like it."
"I don't like it, it sounds fighty."
"Fighty?"
"Yeah."
"What do you mean?"
"You know, fighty."
"Like it makes you want to fight?"
"Yeah."

Bravo, Iron Maiden, mission accomplished.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on August 21, 2021, 11:04:10 AM
Turned Stratego on while my 3 year old and I were playing dolls. This conversation ensued:

"Why are you playing that song?"
"Because I like it."
"I don't like it, it sounds fighty."
"Fighty?"
"Yeah."
"What do you mean?"
"You know, fighty."
"Like it makes you want to fight?"
"Yeah."

Bravo, Iron Maiden, mission accomplished.

Best review I've ever read!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2021, 05:43:36 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-guitarist-adrian-smith-discusses-solos-on-upcoming-senjutsu-album-i-m-a-bit-more-spontaneous-these-days-video
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 24, 2021, 06:11:45 PM
I heard the whole thing - got my promo copy. I'm underwhelmed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2021, 06:16:06 PM
I heard the whole thing - got my promo copy. I'm underwhelmed.

Ooooff!!  :(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on August 24, 2021, 06:24:17 PM
I heard the whole thing - got my promo copy. I'm underwhelmed.

Interesting, would this be the 1st post reunion era album that you felt this way?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 24, 2021, 06:37:55 PM
I heard the whole thing - got my promo copy. I'm underwhelmed.

Interesting, would this be the 1st post reunion era album that you felt this way?

Good question. I didn't like AMOLAD all that much on my first listens, but recognized the awesomeness of Longest Day, These Colors Don't Run and Brighter than a Thousand Suns. Eventually, I learned to enjoy the whole album. And I LOVED Book of Souls from the first listen. While the first two listens of Senjutsu were not the most attentive ones - I was waiting in line at the bank to run errands for my dad, who passed away recently - I felt the tracks are more generic than usual. Didn't notice any stand out moments, although Death of the Celts an The Parchment sounded slightly better on my second listen. But the drum fills are lazy, the intros are extra long this time around - one of them is over 2 and a half minutes, and I didn't find one spine-tingling chorus. At times, it sounded like an AI generated Maiden album. Too bad because I think this new Eddie is the coolest since 7th Son.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2021, 06:59:03 PM
That's disappointing to hear, especially since you loved TBOS right away.

Hope you are holding up the best you can too mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 24, 2021, 07:03:10 PM
That's disappointing to hear, especially since you loved TBOS right away.

Hope you are holding up the best you can too mate.

Thanks. It's nice to be back home for a few weeks and to be with the family.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on August 24, 2021, 07:03:29 PM
Too bad because I think this new Eddie is the coolest since 7th Son.

That's an interesting thought that could inspire a thread of its own.....can a bad Maiden album ruin its badass Eddie on the cover?

Or can a badass Eddie be wasted by a mediocre album?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2021, 07:06:40 PM
Too bad because I think this new Eddie is the coolest since 7th Son.

That's an interesting thought that could inspire a thread of its own.....can a bad Maiden album ruin its badass Eddie on the cover?

Or can a badass Eddie be wasted by a mediocre album?

It would be like ranking the albums and ranking the Eddie's and see where things average out.  You'd have to try and not be bias though by picking a particular Eddie just because you are very fond of the respective album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 24, 2021, 07:19:49 PM
 Yeah, cool idea for a thread. And I think they will go to town on the stage design of the new tour. It seems there was a lot of research done by the band and the artist when the theme of samurais was chosen as the subject of the cover.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2021, 07:31:59 PM
I always thought Brave New World was a fucking cool ass album cover.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zoom E on August 24, 2021, 07:43:22 PM
I always thought Brave New World was a fucking cool ass album cover.

I was just thinking that a couple of weeks ago when I gave BNW a listen for the first time in quite a while. Probably the best Maiden album cover, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
I always thought Brave New World was a fucking cool ass album cover.

I was just thinking that a couple of weeks ago when I gave BNW a listen for the first time in quite a while. Probably the best Maiden album cover, IMO.

You might be right. To me Killers is the most iconic, but BNW is the most impactful, considering the album title and reunion.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81BVsdXqg6L._SX466_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 24, 2021, 08:01:38 PM
Funny that anyone would expect anything different. The reviews have said as much. Same old half-baked autopilot stuff. Should have quit after TFF it pains me to say (though I’m glad we got EOTC but even that song was 5 minutes too long).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on August 24, 2021, 08:03:41 PM
Brave New World has always been one of my favorite Eddies.  Such a menacing face in the clouds. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2021, 08:59:13 PM
Funny that anyone would expect anything different. The reviews have said as much. Same old half-baked autopilot stuff. Should have quit after TFF it pains me to say (though I’m glad we got EOTC but even that song was 5 minutes too long).

Seems like a harsh statement but I can kind of see where you are coming from, even though I liked TBOS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on August 24, 2021, 11:18:37 PM
I've been listening to an album a day in the run-up to Senjutsu's release. What's struck me the most - aside from the stylistic change between Killers and The Number of the Beast - is how fast (in terms of tempo) some of their songs used to be. I'm not someone who believes they should try to remake those earlier albums but it'd be lovely to hear something genuinely up tempo from them. I think that's probably what I miss most.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 24, 2021, 11:48:10 PM
Funny that anyone would expect anything different. The reviews have said as much. Same old half-baked autopilot stuff. Should have quit after TFF it pains me to say (though I’m glad we got EOTC but even that song was 5 minutes too long).

Don't worry, this should probably be their last album. They won't bother you anymore after that.

 :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2021, 12:12:56 AM
Wasn't TFF supposed to be their last album too?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 25, 2021, 12:26:20 AM
Wasn't TFF supposed to be their last album too?

Just because of the title.

But time passes and people get old. Considering the time gap between records, I find it difficult to have a new one. But maybe I'm wrong and they do some more (to the misfortune of many  :lol)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 25, 2021, 01:02:19 AM
I was a little surprised by SIT and SSOASS when I first heard them. They were a little different. (And the evolution from the debut to Killers to NOTB is clear) but apart from that, they've basically sounded the same to me for the vast majority of the time. Yeah, there are some little detours here and there, but they don't stray far.  :lol They're just not that band.

I'm just hoping for a good solid Maiden album. I'm encouraged by the singles so far.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on August 25, 2021, 01:15:45 AM
I was a little surprised by SIT and SSOASS when I first heard them. They were a little different.

Yes, I certainly noticed the difference between those two and the two that preceded them when listening back to back.

I've found myself wishing I'd got into Maiden a little earlier than I did so I could have enjoyed their first few albums on release, living through their early evolution in real time. As it was, I got into them with Fear of the Dark. Their clichéd heavy metal singer had put me off prior to that :lol (And those cringeworthy videos for Seventh Son... ugh!)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2021, 01:17:43 AM
I was a little surprised by SIT and SSOASS when I first heard them. They were a little different. (And the evolution from the debut to Killers to NOTB is clear) but apart from that, they've basically sounded the same to me for the vast majority of the time. Yeah, there are some little detours here and there, but they don't stray far.  :lol They're just not that band.

I'm just hoping for a good solid Maiden album. I'm encouraged by the singles so far.

I'm lukewarm on WOTW but loved Stratego.  That song has got me pretty hyped.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2021, 01:18:02 AM
Only a week and a half away!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2021, 01:21:54 AM
When can we expect some early reviews start coming in?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on August 25, 2021, 02:14:46 AM
When can we expect some early reviews start coming in?

There are quite a few out there already. The album seems to be scoring what often reads like a bit of a polite 3/5, 7/10.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 25, 2021, 03:36:51 AM
I've been listening to an album a day in the run-up to Senjutsu's release. What's struck me the most - aside from the stylistic change between Killers and The Number of the Beast - is how fast (in terms of tempo) some of their songs used to be. I'm not someone who believes they should try to remake those earlier albums but it'd be lovely to hear something genuinely up tempo from them. I think that's probably what I miss most.

Stratego is the fastest song on Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on August 25, 2021, 04:39:47 AM
Good thing I haven't listened to Stratego so I don't know how fast it is.  ;D

I'm starting to avoid the thread now. I've tried for days, but now is the time.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 25, 2021, 04:51:03 AM
There's a little bit more keyboards on a few songs this time, and more moments where the guitar matches the vocal lines, just like you heard on Stratego. Death of the Celts is a standout track on my first listens.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2021, 04:54:47 AM
I don't know if it's already been posted here, but I found a track-by-track review by Loudwire.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-senjutsu-track-by-track-guide-review/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 28, 2021, 03:04:24 PM
So, I quickly skimmed through an audio interview with Nicko and learned two interesting facts:

- He actually had a song (or at least ideas for a song) for this album cycle, but decided to keep it to himself and present it when/if they do the next album. His song would've been about a racecar driver, of all topics!

- The first solo on Writing on the Wall was played by Dave Murray! I thought it sounded like him, but many insisted Adrian took both solos. We can now put that to rest  :biggrin:

Here's the interview proper, there ought to be more interesting tidbits in it, I'm just swamped for time at the moment https://omny.fm/shows/talkin-rock-with-meltdown/talkin-rock-with-iron-maidens-nicko-mcbrain-and-mo

So excited for September 3rd!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 28, 2021, 05:56:15 PM
So, I quickly skimmed through an audio interview with Nicko and learned two interesting facts:

- He actually had a song (or at least ideas for a song) for this album cycle, but decided to keep it to himself and present it when/if they do the next album. His song would've been about a racecar driver, of all topics!


I’m happy that Nicko, being the the oldest in the band, although not sure, seems to expect one more Maiden album!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on August 28, 2021, 08:08:05 PM
Considering this new has been in the can for almost 2 years already, they could easily do another album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 28, 2021, 10:24:13 PM
Was the race car driver called Jerry?

(Primus reference)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on August 29, 2021, 02:49:30 AM
Quite a few reviews appearing now and all in the positive (so far).  Can't wait for Friday wasn't so taken by Writing OT Wall but LOVE this new song! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on August 29, 2021, 04:13:41 AM
So, I quickly skimmed through an audio interview with Nicko and learned two interesting facts:

- He actually had a song (or at least ideas for a song) for this album cycle, but decided to keep it to himself and present it when/if they do the next album. His song would've been about a racecar driver, of all topics!


I’m happy that Nicko, being the the oldest in the band, although not sure, seems to expect one more Maiden album!

Nothing about this album feels like it maybe there last.  The last two albums had that potential - 'The FINAL Frontier' on the name alone and wasn't that a old interview doing the rounds at the time whereby Harris said he wanted to make 15 albums.   'Book of Souls' just felt so epic is scope at the time that it may have been the one they wanted to end on.   

I have to admit this is the least invested I've felt in a Maiden album this close till release since Virtual XII.  The two singles are both solid, but not overly inspiring, with the production again an issue.  Also I look at the track listing and see 4 Harris solo epic writes and that worries me- don't get me wrong I love several of his long songs, but they do have a predictablity too them and the thought of 3 of those epics closing the album (with a combined runtime of 35 minutes)....yeah, that's alot.

But I hope on the 3rd I'll be really enjoying Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: JediKnight1969 on August 29, 2021, 03:41:19 PM
I don't know if it's already been posted here, but I found a track-by-track review by Loudwire.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-senjutsu-track-by-track-guide-review/

More great reviews!

https://www.hotpress.com/music/album-review-iron-maiden-senjutsu-22868613

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/p8vytd/senjutsu_metal_hammer_review/



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 30, 2021, 02:43:15 PM
So I've been listening to a lot of Iron Maiden at work the last few days.
Today I hit En Vivo and Live Chapter.

On En Vivo, The Talisman and Coming Home back to back..these are two of Iron Maiden's best songs..IMO anyway.

What jumped out to me listening to the Live Chapter was Janick's solo in Blood Brothers.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55669.0
Amazing!

And I don't know about anyone else, but I could listen to the middle part of The Red And The Black all fucking day on a loop.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 30, 2021, 02:46:22 PM
So I've been listening to a lot of Iron Maiden at work the last few days.
Today I hit En Vivo and Live Chapter.

On En Vivo, The Talisman and Coming Home back to back..these are two of Iron Maiden's best songs..IMO anyway.

What jumped out to me listening to the Live Chapter was Janick's solo in Blood Brothers.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55669.0
Amazing!

And I don't know about anyone else, but I could listen to the middle part of The Red And The Black all fucking day on a loop.

I'm with you on that. 

Also, I'm a BIG fan of En Vivo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2021, 02:51:26 PM
So I've been listening to a lot of Iron Maiden at work the last few days.
Today I hit En Vivo and Live Chapter.

On En Vivo, The Talisman and Coming Home back to back..these are two of Iron Maiden's best songs..IMO anyway.

What jumped out to me listening to the Live Chapter was Janick's solo in Blood Brothers.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55669.0
Amazing!

And I don't know about anyone else, but I could listen to the middle part of The Red And The Black all fucking day on a loop.

100%.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 30, 2021, 04:53:22 PM
Good review from my buddies at Sonic Perspectives: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/iron-maiden-senjutsu/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 30, 2021, 05:07:31 PM
(Not directed at Rodrigo, as I planned this rant last night, but you did remind me to post it..)

So, there's already been some reviews posted here, and I know we'll get more as the DT album gets closer.

I seriously cannot read reviews before I hear an album, especially by a major band that I love. WTF do I care what some dude thinks about it? I've been listening to Iron Maiden for over 40 years. That guy's opinion doesn't mean shit to me, and I'm sure it's likewise.

I'm fine discussing our thoughts on DTF though, because it's like a circle of friends talking about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2021, 05:39:49 PM
I'm kind of on the same page.  I think I started reading one of the first reviews and closed it half way through.  I know what I like from Maiden and why I like them so it's true, I don't care what some nobody thinks about it.  Also not directed at Rodrigo, as even though these are my thoughts, I'd love the job myself.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 30, 2021, 06:10:47 PM
I totally see your point guys, and I didn't take it as a jab against me. I was always curious about reviews, because there's always a chance that the writer brings out something I didn't notice about a particular track. What I liked about this one from John Kokel is that he described the tracks in a lot of detail, without making any judgement. It seems he enjoyed the album, so he was the right guy to write it. I would be just as descriptive as he was if I was to write the review (as was originally the plan), but I wouldn't have been so kind in my score. The album isn't bad, but it's full of songs that would be PERFECT b-sides for a better album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2021, 06:27:55 PM
I totally see your point guys, and I didn't take it as a jab against me. I was always curious about reviews, because there's always a chance that the writer brings out something I didn't notice about a particular track. What I liked about this one from John Kokel is that he described the tracks in a lot of detail, without making any judgement. It seems he enjoyed the album, so he was the right guy to write it. I would be just as descriptive as he was if I was to write the review (as was originally the plan), but I wouldn't have been so kind in my score. The album isn't bad, but it's full of songs that would be PERFECT b-sides for a better album.

Jeez, that doesn't sound positive at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 30, 2021, 06:34:23 PM
I totally see your point guys, and I didn't take it as a jab against me. I was always curious about reviews, because there's always a chance that the writer brings out something I didn't notice about a particular track. What I liked about this one from John Kokel is that he described the tracks in a lot of detail, without making any judgement. It seems he enjoyed the album, so he was the right guy to write it. I would be just as descriptive as he was if I was to write the review (as was originally the plan), but I wouldn't have been so kind in my score. The album isn't bad, but it's full of songs that would be PERFECT b-sides for a better album.

Jeez, that doesn't sound positive at all.

And I had MULTIPLE listens since I got it last Monday. To me, it's their worst with Bruce. And I saw the short videos they did to promote it, and didn't think they sounded particularly excited about the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 30, 2021, 06:42:43 PM
The reviewer really hates the keyboards on Maiden songs! ;D
I really liked the keyboards arrangements and tone on Stratego, so, I'm expecting to like them in the rest of the album, following the pattern of the review. Reviews are interesting sometimes because we can really perceive how differently we hear things compared to the reviewer's perception.
I would never thought or write this:
"Roughly divided, Iron Maiden through “Seventh Son of a Seventh Son” could be considered the first act, “No Prayer for the Dying” through “Brave New World” could be considered the second and most turbulent act, and “Dance of Death” through the future (from here to eternity?) could be considered the third and final act... Most bands of this vintage have ceased to exist or are otherwise some unspeakable Lovecraftian abomination for no reason for being, and no resemblance to their previous form (we are looking at you, Metallica...)."
Really strange this Maiden career division on those acts... I don't even consider 80's Maiden only one act! Take the first album and 7th, for example. BNW is in the same act as No Prayer, but not with DOD?!  And, you can't hear any resemblance between Ride the Lightning or Re-Load and Hardwired?! C'mon! Guns n Roses I agree, obviously.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 30, 2021, 06:55:00 PM
The album isn't bad, but it's full of songs that would be PERFECT b-sides for a better album.

An album of Iron Maiden B sides would be better than most band's albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2021, 06:55:53 PM
I totally see your point guys, and I didn't take it as a jab against me. I was always curious about reviews, because there's always a chance that the writer brings out something I didn't notice about a particular track. What I liked about this one from John Kokel is that he described the tracks in a lot of detail, without making any judgement. It seems he enjoyed the album, so he was the right guy to write it. I would be just as descriptive as he was if I was to write the review (as was originally the plan), but I wouldn't have been so kind in my score. The album isn't bad, but it's full of songs that would be PERFECT b-sides for a better album.

Jeez, that doesn't sound positive at all.

And I had MULTIPLE listens since I got it last Monday. To me, it's their worst with Bruce. And I saw the short videos they did to promote it, and didn't think they sounded particularly excited about the album.

Fair play mate.

The album isn't bad, but it's full of songs that would be PERFECT b-sides for a better album.

An album of Iron Maiden B sides would be better than most band's albums.

Another fair play.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 30, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
I've been listening to an album a day in the run-up to Senjutsu's release. What's struck me the most - aside from the stylistic change between Killers and The Number of the Beast - is how fast (in terms of tempo) some of their songs used to be. I'm not someone who believes they should try to remake those earlier albums but it'd be lovely to hear something genuinely up tempo from them. I think that's probably what I miss most.

Stratego is the fastest song on Senjutsu.

For real? LOL.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 30, 2021, 07:42:02 PM
I don't know if it's already been posted here, but I found a track-by-track review by Loudwire.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-senjutsu-track-by-track-guide-review/

More great reviews!

https://www.hotpress.com/music/album-review-iron-maiden-senjutsu-22868613

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironmaiden/comments/p8vytd/senjutsu_metal_hammer_review/

That 2nd one reminds me a lot of the St Anger reviews that hyped me up in 2003. Yeah . . .
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 30, 2021, 09:08:21 PM
There's nothing really taking the edge off the excitement of getting to listen to this thing. In fact, I must say I appreciate what little I'm getting to glean from all the reviews (including the impressions of our own Rodrigo) just because I enjoy having a "fictional" idea of the album in my mind and then getting the real thing to compare.

I obviously can't be sure before I listen to the thing, but this album seems tailor-made for what I wanted from Iron Maiden at this point (including MORE HARRIS). I'm a bit of a hopeless optimist about a few things and Iron Maiden is one of them  :lol  even though AMOLAD and TFF really took some time to grow on me (but they did!) and I thought 60% of TBoS was BRILLIANT and 40% of it was mostly alright. In all cases, Harris' tunes were what definitely held the fort together for me.

It doesn't hurt that there have been a few comparisons with The X-Factor vibes – definitely a highlight in their career for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2021, 09:21:43 PM
The album isn't bad, but it's full of songs that would be PERFECT b-sides for a better album.

An album of Iron Maiden B sides would be better than most band's albums.

Since I have the best of the b-sides album that comes with Eddie's Archive, I can say from my opinion this would not be the case at all.  I'm not a fan of 80% of their bsides and am happy they did not land on the albums.  Really only the Blaze bsides were strong IMO to be album worthy.

I totally see your point guys, and I didn't take it as a jab against me. I was always curious about reviews, because there's always a chance that the writer brings out something I didn't notice about a particular track. What I liked about this one from John Kokel is that he described the tracks in a lot of detail, without making any judgement. It seems he enjoyed the album, so he was the right guy to write it. I would be just as descriptive as he was if I was to write the review (as was originally the plan), but I wouldn't have been so kind in my score. The album isn't bad, but it's full of songs that would be PERFECT b-sides for a better album.

I don't care too much about reviews for the same reasons others have stated, but sometimes I go back after I already made up my mind just to see what others have said.  I don't want someone's words to influence my initial opinion, but once mine is formed, it's interesting to see where it lines up against others. Similar to how we here at DTF continue to debate albums for years and years.

Also, another reason to not put too much stock into reviews is what you basically hinted at.  There is bias sometimes.  If you wrote a negative review would it even get published? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2021, 09:53:51 PM
The string of X-factor bonus tracks are unmatched;

Judgement Day
Justice of the Peace
I Live My Way
Virus (maybe not technically but I'll include it)

Unreal.  The X-factor could have been an incredible double album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 30, 2021, 11:00:13 PM
Well... since the subject is the Blaze Bayley years :

Like TAC and others, I've been listening to A LOT of Iron Maiden these past few days. So in the same way as I did a ranking of the first two albums from the 90s, I now rank my favorite songs from the two albums with Blaze.


01 Sign of the Cross
02 The Unbeliver
03 The Clansman
04 Lord of the Flies
05 Fortunes of War
06 Blood on the World's Hands
07 Look for the Truth
08 Man on the Edge
09 The Edge of Darkness
10 Lightning Strikes Twice

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2021, 11:21:18 PM
I've always found LOTF one of the weakest songs on TXF.  Man on the Edge also would be down the list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on August 31, 2021, 04:20:55 AM
Reviews are just one person's opinion and we all know how massively they vary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 05:59:33 AM
I did notice the keyboards being a little bit more prominent this time around - don't worry though, there are no keyboard solos, that would NEVER happen on a Maiden album. They don't bother me in those songs as it does the Sonic Perspectives reviewer, but he does have a point about the tone of keyboards used. A band of such caliber could use something a little bit more professional.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on August 31, 2021, 07:08:06 AM
I did notice the keyboards being a little bit more prominent this time around - don't worry though, there are no keyboard solos, that would NEVER happen on a Maiden album. They don't bother me in those songs as it does the Sonic Perspectives reviewer, but he does have a point about the tone of keyboards used. A band of such caliber could use something a little bit more professional.

Kind of like they should have had a professional piano sound on EOTC.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 07:53:32 AM
I did notice the keyboards being a little bit more prominent this time around - don't worry though, there are no keyboard solos, that would NEVER happen on a Maiden album. They don't bother me in those songs as it does the Sonic Perspectives reviewer, but he does have a point about the tone of keyboards used. A band of such caliber could use something a little bit more professional.

Kind of like they should have had a professional piano sound on EOTC.

Right?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on August 31, 2021, 09:52:54 AM
Honestly, in terms of keys and synths Iron Maiden have always been a bit amateur.

Any 70s prog record has far better synths than Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2021, 10:24:31 AM
I wonder if more synths means the guy who plays them live will actually get to be on stage with them.  Was it only the 80s live performance of 7th Son where he got on stage during the instrumental section?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 10:28:32 AM
I wonder if more synths means the guy who plays them live will actually get to be on stage with them.  Was it only the 80s live performance of 7th Son where he got on stage during the instrumental section?

In FRONT of the stage, yes. But I believe since then he's always been playing them in the background.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2021, 10:33:25 AM
I wonder if more synths means the guy who plays them live will actually get to be on stage with them.  Was it only the 80s live performance of 7th Son where he got on stage during the instrumental section?

In FRONT of the stage, yes. But I believe since then he's always been playing them in the background.

That's what I meant.  My understanding is it's been the same guy and he plays live with them all the time behind the stage.  I wonder if we will actually see him on stage again.  It's almost like he's a full member of the band while not being one.  Might be kind of cool to give him some spotlight and acknowledgment of his time with the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 10:39:08 AM
His name is Michael Kenney, and his other gig is being Steve Harris' tech.

 https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Michael_%2522Count%2522_Kenney/17109
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2021, 10:50:28 AM
(Not directed at Rodrigo, as I planned this rant last night, but you did remind me to post it..)

So, there's already been some reviews posted here, and I know we'll get more as the DT album gets closer.

I seriously cannot read reviews before I hear an album, especially by a major band that I love. WTF do I care what some dude thinks about it? I've been listening to Iron Maiden for over 40 years. That guy's opinion doesn't mean shit to me, and I'm sure it's likewise.

I'm fine discussing our thoughts on DTF though, because it's like a circle of friends talking about it.

I'm kind of with you on that.  Like Marc, I may go back later and re-read to see how it compares, but in terms of what I like, I'll know without someone else's input. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2021, 02:16:21 PM
Adrian discussing his tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embb72pZ-PQ
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 31, 2021, 02:42:33 PM
I wonder if more synths means the guy who plays them live will actually get to be on stage with them.  Was it only the 80s live performance of 7th Son where he got on stage during the instrumental section?

In FRONT of the stage, yes. But I believe since then he's always been playing them in the background.

That's what I meant.  My understanding is it's been the same guy and he plays live with them all the time behind the stage.  I wonder if we will actually see him on stage again.  It's almost like he's a full member of the band while not being one.  Might be kind of cool to give him some spotlight and acknowledgment of his time with the band.

He did get onstage with them for Seventh Son when they did that commemorative tour in 2013. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lWRv8lk7jI

And it's definitely not the same thing, but you can usually spot him onstage when they play Heaven Can Wait and bring in a crowd of people to sing along the WHOAH-OH-OH section.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2021, 02:44:01 PM
I saw that show live and just couldn't remember if it occurred again, thanks.  I never tried to spot him for Heaven Can Wait and I even got on stage with them for that song once before
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2021, 02:49:01 PM
So I mentioned The Red And The Black yesterday. Today, the Live Chapter video showed up in my youtube feed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F3eRabNAzI

Janick is basically playing lead throughout the entire song. :metal

The video editing of the guitarists is a bit suspect though. In one frame Adrian is standing next to Janick, and in the next, he's right by Dave's side.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on August 31, 2021, 04:06:31 PM
So I mentioned The Red And The Black yesterday. Today, the Live Chapter video showed up in my youtube feed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F3eRabNAzI

Janick is basically playing lead throughout the entire song. :metal

The video editing of the guitarists is a bit suspect though. In one frame Adrian is standing next to Janick, and in the next, he's right by Dave's side.

I think they were kind of liberal with the video editing. Notice how they intentionally included various takes of Bruce messing with Adrian's mic and Dave and Janick goofing around during the chorus for Wasted Years.

Audio seems to be from a single source, though. I could be wrong, but it sounds pretty consistent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 06:26:35 PM
What happens close to the release date of any album these days has happened to Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2021, 06:27:09 PM
What happens close to the release date of any album these days has happened to Senjutsu.

Leaked?  I'll wait until I can listen to the cd.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 06:28:30 PM
Wolfking, the last time I said those words here, I got a 90 day ban.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2021, 06:28:57 PM
Wolfking, the last time I said those words here, I got a 90 day ban.

True?! lol.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 06:31:29 PM
Yes, in 2015.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2021, 06:37:01 PM
 :lol was it for DT though? I feel like spoilers are often talked about here when it's not DT but if it is for DT that's a big no no.  I'm actually surprised it took this long to get out.  I saw pictures of people having the CD last week. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2021, 06:38:29 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 06:46:48 PM
:lol was it for DT though? I feel like spoilers are often talked about here when it's not DT but if it is for DT that's a big no no.  I'm actually surprised it took this long to get out.  I saw pictures of people having the CD last week.

It was for Book of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2021, 06:56:05 PM
I guess one of the bigger bands and well, tbh we shouldn't promote leaks although I've indulged before.  I got my CD purchased on Amazon, but the temptation is strong.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2021, 06:57:22 PM
:lol was it for DT though? I feel like spoilers are often talked about here when it's not DT but if it is for DT that's a big no no.  I'm actually surprised it took this long to get out.  I saw pictures of people having the CD last week.

It was for Book of Souls.

Just for saying it was out there leaked?  I find that a little OTT, but perhaps I'm playing with fire here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2021, 07:00:11 PM
Yes, that was the only thing I said back then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2021, 07:03:11 PM
I guess we better move on then lol.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2021, 07:09:50 PM
back to those Blaze B sides...

The string of X-factor bonus tracks are unmatched;

Judgement Day
Justice of the Peace
I Live My Way
Virus (maybe not technically but I'll include it)

Unreal.  The X-factor could have been an incredible double album.

Really these as my favorite of Iron Maiden b-sides, I include Virus as well which is one of the best Blaze songs.  Having said that, I think I 'd rather they replace songs not add to X-Factor to make it better.  That album is pretty hard, due to production alone, to get through in one listen.  I say that as someone who actually enjoys it because I think the songs are good, just hidden behind poor production.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2021, 05:48:09 AM
Wonderful Aussie band Lord has already done a cover of Stratego.  Bloody brilliant!

https://youtu.be/5rKczlZASlo
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 01, 2021, 06:19:01 AM
Wonderful Aussie band Lord has already done a cover of Stratego.  Bloody brilliant!

https://youtu.be/5rKczlZASlo

That was fantastic. I think I prefer it to the original!

I'm afraid I haven't been too impressed with the two songs released so far. The dry, recorded in a garage, style production has bothered me on the last few albums, but I think it's particularly bad with these two recent ones. I wish they'd gone with a different producer, but it was never going to happen.

I think at this stage I know what to expect from a new Maiden album, which is maybe a shame in itself. I'll give it a listen on Apple Music, but I won't be buying it straight off the bat like I did for the last few.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2021, 06:43:22 AM
So I mentioned The Red And The Black yesterday. Today, the Live Chapter video showed up in my youtube feed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F3eRabNAzI

Janick is basically playing lead throughout the entire song. :metal

The video editing of the guitarists is a bit suspect though. In one frame Adrian is standing next to Janick, and in the next, he's right by Dave's side.

I love this song.  Loved Adrian second solo.  Quite self indulgent but really well executed.

Still don't understand why we didn't get a DVD of this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on September 01, 2021, 06:56:33 AM
Wolfking, the last time I said those words here, I got a 90 day ban.

I was also banned for saying book of souls leaked lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2021, 08:44:18 AM
When is the actual release date?  I preordered, so I'd like to know when I should start running to the mailbox!! :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 01, 2021, 08:48:34 AM
When is the actual release date?  I preordered, so I'd like to know when I should start running to the mailbox!! :)

This Friday (3rd).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 01, 2021, 12:58:46 PM
Has anyone that made presale orders got their bundles yet even before the release date?  That could explain a few things.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2021, 01:20:03 PM
Has anyone that made presale orders got their bundles yet even before the release date?  That could explain a few things.

From what I saw on reddit, yes, people have received orders already.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2021, 02:31:15 PM
EDIT: Deleted this comment, wrong thread  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2021, 02:35:51 PM
Womp womp, tonight's Alanis Morrissette and Garbage concert is cancelled due to weather.  It's the right call, but it sucks it that it's cancelled and not postponed.

And this is Iron Maiden related..how? :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2021, 02:37:41 PM
Womp womp, tonight's Alanis Morrissette and Garbage concert is cancelled due to weather.  It's the right call, but it sucks it that it's cancelled and not postponed.

And this is Iron Maiden related..how? :lol

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on September 01, 2021, 04:46:11 PM
It's weird to think that my daughter was an infant when Book of Souls came out, and I bought the CD at Best Buy.  Now she's in first grade and the next Maiden album is coming out, and Best Buy doesn't sell CD's anymore!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2021, 04:48:44 PM
I was 14 the first time I saw Iron Maiden in 1983. My son was 14 when he came with me to the Book Of Souls tour. (Not that he's a fan, but he was interested in going with me),
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on September 02, 2021, 04:10:09 AM
Amazon pre-order shipped and due to arrive tomorrow. When Book of Souls came out, my daughter was about to turn a year old, new album is dropping almost six years to the day. Time just flies.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 06:03:26 AM
It's truly mindblowing that TBOS came out 6 years ago.  6.....fucking.....years!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 02, 2021, 06:44:40 AM
I'm very pleased to see that at Maidenfans, the overwhelming consensus of those who have heard the album is that it is very good, with a couple of amazing unique tracks. Can't wait to listen tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2021, 03:19:58 PM
When The Book of souls came out, I was a single guy, living with my parents, wrapping things up at the university. Now I live in my own place with my lovely girlfriend and work at a truly terrific company. That's how long it's been between two Maiden albums.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2021, 03:21:39 PM
Nothing has changed for me, I'm just 6 years older  :lol but it's cool to see how others lives have changed significantly
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 03:31:39 PM
Nothing has changed for me, I'm just 6 years older  :lol but it's cool to see how others lives have changed significantly

Same.  I'm just 6 years older with less hair and still done fuck all.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 02, 2021, 03:33:01 PM
Nothing has changed for me, I'm just 6 years older  :lol but it's cool to see how others lives have changed significantly

Same.  I'm just 6 years older with less hair and still done fuck all.  :lol

Dude. I could have typed that myself!   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 02, 2021, 03:51:08 PM
Compare these three timestamps on the links below:

 02:36 here: https://youtu.be/rYic6sU0Xwc

 03:34 here: https://youtu.be/nPlCp-eko7I

 And 05:06 in Darkest Hour. Same Dave solo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 04:02:56 PM
Dave's soloing has gotten so repetitive and stale over the years, it's disappointing.  He was my fav of the three growing but but lean towards Adrian now.  All three have gotten pretty stale to be honest, Adrian not as much but a lot of his solos are the same structure.  That's one thing that has gone a little backwards with Maiden over the years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: JediKnight1969 on September 02, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
When The Book of souls came out, I was a single guy, living with my parents, wrapping things up at the university. Now I live in my own place with my lovely girlfriend and work at a truly terrific company. That's how long it's been between two Maiden albums.  ;D

I was single back then. Now I'm married and we have a 4 yo son called Bruno  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 04:05:59 PM
Nothing has changed for me, I'm just 6 years older  :lol but it's cool to see how others lives have changed significantly

Same.  I'm just 6 years older with less hair and still done fuck all.  :lol

Dude. I could have typed that myself!   :lol

I'm laughing yet crying at the same time.  Glad I'm not alone haha.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 04:09:21 PM
Dave's soloing has gotten so repetitive and stale over the years, it's disappointing.  He was my fav of the three growing but but lean towards Adrian now.  All three have gotten pretty stale to be honest, Adrian not as much but a lot of his solos are the same structure.  That's one thing that has gone a little backwards with Maiden over the years.

Adrian said he approached his solos a bit different on this album. He mentioned being more "on the fly" than in the past.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 04:11:45 PM
Dave's soloing has gotten so repetitive and stale over the years, it's disappointing.  He was my fav of the three growing but but lean towards Adrian now.  All three have gotten pretty stale to be honest, Adrian not as much but a lot of his solos are the same structure.  That's one thing that has gone a little backwards with Maiden over the years.

Adrian said he approached his solos a bit different on this album. He mentioned being more "on the fly" than in the past.

Yeah I did see that one.  Hoping for a little variety, because you can hear even he has been stuck in a bit of a rut with the way his solos are coming out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 04:14:09 PM
Compare these three timestamps on the links below:

 02:36 here: https://youtu.be/rYic6sU0Xwc

 03:34 here: https://youtu.be/nPlCp-eko7I

 And 05:06 in Darkest Hour. Same Dave solo.

I don't know, man. I'm not a guitarist so I can't comment on the structure, but I really don't see any comparison. Certainly not RSRD.
The pacing seems similar in Coming Home and Darkest Hour, but I think Coming Home has a GREAT solo, and Darkest Hour's is amazing as well. To my ears anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 04:21:47 PM
Even though I posted what I did, I don't hear that much between Coming Home and Run Silent.  I get where Rodrigo is coming from though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 02, 2021, 04:38:33 PM
There's just that little 4 (or so) note figure that has that little pull-off thing in both CH and RSRD. I would never have picked it up myself. Good ears!

The solos are a bit interchangable these days. But hey, 40+ years will do that to a few bars of minor key noodling.

Can't wait to hear the new stuff tomorrow!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 04:45:03 PM
Iron Maiden is what Iron Maiden does. We're going to hear an Iron Maiden album tomorrow. It's going to be filed with things that sound familiar, things that sound like something else in their discography.
Steve Harris' epics will sound...like a Steve Harris epic.

Dave's going to sound like Dave and Janick is going to sound like Janick. The three guitarists are 64 y/o. I mean to expect them to reinvent the wheel is a bit unrealistic.

I actually feel that Iron Maiden has done a great job expanding their songwriting, but still staying within the lines..which is fine by me. The new album is filled going to be filled with GREAT tunes. And like every other album, there's something that one may find something they find skippable.

I have never been bored with a new Iron Maiden album and this one is no different.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 04:46:37 PM
Nice post Tim.  You've listened to it then?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 04:47:00 PM
I didn't say that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2021, 04:56:52 PM
Well I just listened to the first track, Senjutsu... it's different.  Noticeable keys for sure.  Slower pace... but I really dig it on first listen  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 05:07:15 PM
I didn't say that.

It's okay, it's Friday morning here in Oz.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2021, 05:08:37 PM
It's out in half the world already and IM just tweeted:

Quote
Well, since we're in the UK and it's just gone midnight here, we're declaring it #Senjutsu day. About half the planet still to go...

Up the irons!  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 05:09:43 PM
I didn't say that.

It's okay, it's Friday morning here in Oz.  ;D

There is not one ounce of disappointment in this album. This album is great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 05:10:48 PM
I didn't say that.

It's okay, it's Friday morning here in Oz.  ;D

There is not one ounce of disappointment in this album. This album is great.

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 02, 2021, 05:12:09 PM
Didn’t really love most of it but the last 2 epics are great!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2021, 05:12:20 PM
I didn't say that.

It's okay, it's Friday morning here in Oz.  ;D

There is not one ounce of disappointment in this album. This album is great.

Glad to see you like it, makes me feel like I will too.  Stratego feels much better coming off of Senjutsu than listening by itself.  Feels like the album kicks in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 02, 2021, 05:13:34 PM
A new Iron Maiden record. If you think about it, it's only been six moments like this in the last 21 years! And we don't know if there will be another one.

So Up the Irons!  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 05:45:06 PM
Stratego and Writing On The Wall sound so much better within the complete album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 02, 2021, 05:47:12 PM
Senjutsu and Writing On The Wall sound so much better within the complete album.

Stratego, maybe??  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 02, 2021, 05:48:08 PM
Stratego and Writing On The Wall sound so much better within the complete album.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
Senjutsu and Writing On The Wall sound so much better within the complete album.

Stratego, maybe??  :biggrin:

 :facepalm:

Yeah, that too!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2021, 05:53:23 PM
Stratego and Writing On The Wall sound so much better within the complete album.

Agreed.

I think so too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on September 02, 2021, 06:25:17 PM
Not loving it on the first run through.  Some great guitar solos but not much to sing along to in the songs themselves, a lot of it is a bit dreary to me.  Death of The Celts is very Blaze Bayley era, you can almost hear Bruce channeling him in the verses.  Just started the last song now.  Hopefully the album is a grower as there are some awesome instrumental moments and solos but I’m not getting too many vocal hooks here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
It's loaded with vocal hooks. Listening to the beginning of Lost In A Lost World..That's one! Real old 70's (Nektar?) vibe to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 06:30:14 PM
.. is very Blaze Bayley era,

There's been a few times where I thought of the Blaze Era. The album has a production that is similar to VXI. At least in some of the rhythm guitars.

Actually, that would be my ONE critique of the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2021, 06:35:28 PM
Not loving it on the first run through.  Some great guitar solos but not much to sing along to in the songs themselves, a lot of it is a bit dreary to me.  Death of The Celts is very Blaze Bayley era, you can almost hear Bruce channeling him in the verses.  Just started the last song now.  Hopefully the album is a grower as there are some awesome instrumental moments and solos but I’m not getting too many vocal hooks here.

A lot of this album sounds Blaze era too.  I guess a lot of the reunion era has too, but I think this production and some of the darker tones make it feel even more Blaze Era than even some of the songs from BNW that were actually written in the Blaze era. 

I just finished my first listen, I'd say it's a very strong album.  It's dense which was kind of expected given the long songs.  The production kind of sucks TBH.  Maybe the worst of the reunion era. It's easily my biggest negative.  The songs themselves, overall are pretty good but the album is a long one so you got to have patience, especially when the songs are a bit slower pace overall.  I do think the songs are good, and makes for a very solid IM album. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 06:37:06 PM
Steve's final stanzas to Lost In A Lost World and Hell On Earth, sung by Bruce, are chilling.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on September 02, 2021, 06:47:33 PM
It's loaded with vocal hooks. Listening to the beginning of Lost In A Lost World..That's one! Real old 70's (Nektar?) vibe to it.

That’s quite nice yes but I’m talking about huge punch the air choruses that you’ll be singing along to live.  Days Of Future Past has some of that and hopefully some of the others will reveal themselves to me with repeated listens.  The Time Machine had some classic Maiden guitar melodies from memory too.  There’s enough to give me hope that I’ll come to like it but wasn’t in love with it on my first listen.  Time for bed!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 06:48:29 PM
There's a lot to digest for sure. But this album has no shortage of concert moments.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2021, 07:10:48 PM
Hell on Earth reminds me so much of AMOLAD, it's my favorite after one full listen
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 07:15:06 PM
Hell on Earth reminds me so much of AMOLAD, it's my favorite after one full listen

It actually reminds me a lot of When The Wild Wind Blows. A LOT! But it's a great song and I hope they play it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2021, 07:19:21 PM
Hell on Earth reminds me so much of AMOLAD, it's my favorite after one full listen

It actually reminds me a lot of When The Wild Wind Blows. A LOT! But it's a great song and I hope they play it.

Me too, I get the feeling for the last Legacy of the Beast shows they will play the singles, but when it comes to 2023... I hope they play this and others as well.  Maybe we can get a fall 2022 tour for more of the new songs in the US at best.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 07:20:23 PM
Blaze era moments just suit me fine.

Really want to listen but want to wait til I can get the CD.  Might do some initial reaction posts while listening when I do get it.  I love doing that sort of shit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2021, 07:35:25 PM
  Might do some initial reaction posts while listening when I do get it.  I love doing that sort of shit.

Yes please!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 07:37:57 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 02, 2021, 09:37:45 PM
Blaze era moments just suit me fine.

Really want to listen but want to wait til I can get the CD.  Might do some initial reaction posts while listening when I do get it.  I love doing that sort of shit.

I almost shot you PM to ask if you'd heard it yet! Can't wait for your reactions /o/

This album kind of worries me -- it feels like the band tapped into my personal messages with friends and figured out what I wanted from an Iron Maiden album and just gave it to me  :lol I'm floored. Time Machine and Hell on Earth are the 11/10s for me, but there's a LOT for me to love here (I don't think there's any track that gets less than a 9/10 from me).

Really, really hoping they do the full-album tour setlist for this one like Bruce mentioned. Seems unlikely (and more unlikely that they'll hit South America with this tour), but I'd be happy just knowing they did it.

I couldn't believe all the catchy melodies they dug around. That and the way they'd tone things down for dynamics... ever since AMOLAD there's been some stuff in the albums that feels a bit too "off the cuff" for me, so this was a GREAT change in that regard -- everything feels really planned and worked on for great effect, with less of the "first take's good enough" vibe. Adrian mentioned they really had to work hard to get WOTW to sound right, and there's a lot like this throughout the album.

Have you guys read the lyrics? I think esp. on Hell on Earth Steve sort of reached a new level of... heartfelt bleakness? It's hard to describe, but if the lyrics posted online are legit, it's the most cryptic but oddly enticing they've ever been, lyrically.

One final thought: I've seen people complain about Janick's guitars accompanying the vocals, the quiet intros, the repetition... to each their own, but I wouldn't have this album any other way. They definitely recovered some ideas from the Blaze years and the album's all the better for it.

Definitely too attached for true objectivity (I usually kid that, with Maiden, I'm never really able to be objective, so I couldn't write professionally about them), but this is easily my favorite from them since Dance of Death (which is my favorite by them over all) and I'm glad to have it as an audio-form companion. It does carry a sense of finality to it, so while I'd love for them to have another go at the studio, if this is their last one, they couldn't have a better curtain call in my book.

By the way, it's been really exciting to post on this topic and follow everyone's reactions to this stuff. Whether I agree or disagree with any opinions bears no weight to me -- I don't know for how much longer we'll have this band in activity with us, so I see y'all as companions in this wild ride. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 02, 2021, 09:55:56 PM
Loving the new album. It is a grower. Pretty blown away by those final 3 song Harris epics, but really enjoying all the songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2021, 10:00:16 PM
Man, I'm fucking hyped.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on September 02, 2021, 10:05:16 PM
Hell on Earth reminds me so much of AMOLAD, it's my favorite after one full listen

It actually reminds me a lot of When The Wild Wind Blows. A LOT! But it's a great song and I hope they play it.

To me, Hell on Earth sounds like a mix of Afraid to Shoot Strangers and When the Wild Wind Blows. One of my early favorites too!

One song that stood out immediately was Days of Future Past! One of the Best Smith/Dickinson songs of the reunion era IMO.

It's way too early to say anything for sure, but I think I might like this more than "The Book of Souls". A lot to digest here..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 02, 2021, 10:25:59 PM
Not hearing a lot of love for Darkest Hour yet so thought I would mention it. That solo section is pretty magical! Really well done. Some very tasty guitar playing, including the last chorus lead fills.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on September 02, 2021, 11:15:11 PM
Man, I'm fucking hyped.

Same! I've struggled not to listen to any Youtube/streaming links. Record shops open in a few hours here, so I'm waiting for my physical copy. The posts here seem very promising.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 02, 2021, 11:19:16 PM
Listening now and am on The Time Machine. Such a great song, and one that would go well live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 02, 2021, 11:52:54 PM
SENJUTSU: Just got through the entire album twice and though it’s a departure from all other albums, I enjoyed it. They seem to be very comfortable with the writing and the performances on it . We have Number of the beast, Piece of mind, and Powerslave already so I guess that keeps me open to whatever these guys do. Bruce said they enjoyed writing and recording it and he also said there were some new elements they never did and he hopes the fans enjoy it as much as they do. These guys are clearly writing what they want to hear and I respect that being they have been doing this for over 40 years. More thoughts to come but I’m digging’ it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 03, 2021, 12:00:30 AM
Seems where I'll buy it from only has the regular edition and the media book is delayed.  Hmmm......
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 03, 2021, 01:44:42 AM
Looks like my vinyl and CD should both arrive today. Splendid.

The X-Factor is a top five record for me so comparisons with Senjutsu are intriguing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 03, 2021, 02:36:16 AM
Just over halfway through and the impression is very positive. After essentially scrubbing the last album from my memory,  feels like they're "back" for me.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on September 03, 2021, 03:28:37 AM
I’m enjoying my first play through but would it kill them to have a beautifully produced and mixed album that they songs deserve? The sonics are dull. Someone lock Harris in a room and don’t let him out ‘til someone has mixed it.

Maiden still don’t have an album you can test your stereo with.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 03, 2021, 04:06:23 AM
The very beginning of Death Of The Celts reminds me a bit of A Change Of Seasons.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pfillion on September 03, 2021, 04:24:27 AM
It's my favorite Maiden album since BNW \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on September 03, 2021, 04:43:50 AM
Enjoying it a lot more on the second listen although not fully concentrating on it as am working at the same time.  Death of the Celts hasn’t changed though, that could literally have come straight off The X Factor (the Iron Maiden album not the terrible tv show).  Not saying that’s a bad thing as I like that album more than most.  It was actually the first Maiden album I owned.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: aurorablind on September 03, 2021, 05:18:55 AM
I have some issues with the album, but man… Hell on Earth makes up for it. What a fucking great track! Probably my favorite Harris-epic after the reunioun.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on September 03, 2021, 05:25:53 AM
One listen so far. My first impressions are the following.

There is a lot to digest here, and I think it will need 10 listens or so before a pattern will start to emerge. But overall, I'd say it's a strong album. The typical faults are there: some songs are too long, the production is not that great, etc. But the songs are definitely good, and I'd say the material is stronger than on Book of Souls. Especially the vocal department seems somehow more satisfying this time, although Bruce is a bit low in the mix from time to time. As for the guitars, many of the melodies remind me of X Factor, which was a nice surprise. To my great disappointment, the greatest guitar solo of the album turned out to be Adrian's solo on Writings on the Wall. That one is so great, that my hopes were up that the whole album might be filled with that stuff. Not so.

The only song I find extremely dull and straight out bad is Death of the Celts. Nothing good to say about that one.

The best songs right now: Senjutsu, Hell on Earth, Darkest Hour. Days of Future past seemed very promising, and the riffs in the beginning are awesome, but the chorus was a bit lame.

But yeah, only first impressions here, so gonna need more time with this one. A lot more time. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 03, 2021, 06:47:23 AM
Not hearing a lot of love for Darkest Hour yet so thought I would mention it. That solo section is pretty magical! Really well done. Some very tasty guitar playing, including the last chorus lead fills.

Still on my first couple of listens, and that one stood out. Excellent. Totally agree about the solo section - top notch, and a lot better than the usual trade-off widdling.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on September 03, 2021, 07:12:32 AM
I've listened to the album twice.  Only song I haven't really spent time on is Darkest Hour, otherwise I'm loving it.  Death of the Celts does seem like a re-hash of something like The Clansman, but that doesn't bother me.  This is just who Maiden is and I respect the hell out of them for doing what they want to do. 

There are some amazing Bruce moments - I'm loving his vocal melodies on a couple of songs.  Lost in a Lost World and other other.  Writing on the Wall remains one of my favorites - they haven't ever done a country-western sounding song before and I love the vibe and stomp of that song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 03, 2021, 07:50:18 AM
Interestingly enough, the track that absolutely stood out to me on my first two listens is in fact Darkest hour. That chorus blew me away.

I am digging the entire album so far. This will be such a good weekend.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 03, 2021, 08:12:49 AM
Lost In A Lost World is an interesting one.

I've never heard the Oooh and Aaah backing vocals like that on a Maiden song before. Reminds me a little of Pink Floyd.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on September 03, 2021, 08:20:19 AM
Lost In A Lost World is an interesting one.

I've never heard the Oooh and Aaah backing vocals like that on a Maiden song before. Reminds me a little of Pink Floyd.

I really dug the Oooh/Aaah backing vocals in Lost in a Lost World. That song is growing on me quite a bit. I generally really like the epics on "Senjutsu"! Aside from "The Parchment". That hasn't clicked, and I don't feel like listening to it anymore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 03, 2021, 08:26:41 AM
Random thoughts...after one (!) listen, so it's very much a feel-based reaction:

- Might be the obvious extra-familiarity, but I'm enjoying the two singles within the album.
- The title-track sounds cool and it's a different way (for Maiden) to start the album
- Of the tracks exclusively penned by Harris, the one that stood out the most was actually Lost in a Lost World. Chorus sounded a bit clumsy, but the song is very interesting. Cool intro and outro too...
- ...And regarding the three closing epics: I liked The Parchment a lot. A little more "epic-Maiden". Death of the Celts isn't bad but it's the one that sounded the most "rehashed" to me. Hell on Earth: way too much of the vocals following the guitar melodic line for my taste...The melodies are good per se but, I don't know, it just doesn't sit super-well with me. Really like the vocals in the final third or so of the song.
- Loved The Time Machine. Probably my favorite after the first run.

Let's see how this all changes with further listens  :)
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Post by: Logain Ablar on September 03, 2021, 08:29:56 AM
The Time Machine's bookend intro/outro sounds very like The Talisman to my ears. Another solid song.

Back round to Darkest Hour again. I think this one is my favourite. Love the choice of chords in the "You sowed the wind, and now you reap the whirlwind" line.

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Post by: Zydar on September 03, 2021, 08:29:57 AM
I haven't heard the song yet, but a Swedish reviewer compared bits of 'The Time Machine' to Dream Theater. Sounds intriguing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 03, 2021, 08:41:56 AM
Speaking of The Time Machine...the instrumental break starting around 3:10...between the guitar melody and the drum pattern, I thought it reminded me of something from X-Factor, and it actually did...Edge of Darkness, around the 3-minute mark (one my favorite songs with Blaze, btw)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 03, 2021, 09:22:19 AM
I think Senjutsu is better than The Final Frontier and The Book of Souls. While those 2 albums had higher highs (ok maybe not TFF), they had a few songs I didn’t care for at all while I really like every song here. I’m satisfied with this album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 03, 2021, 09:24:41 AM
Speaking of The Time Machine...the instrumental break starting around 3:10...between the guitar melody and the drum pattern, I thought it reminded me of something from X-Factor, and it actually did...Edge of Darkness, around the 3-minute mark (one my favorite songs with Blaze, btw)

Yup.


The Time Machine's bookend intro/outro sounds very like The Talisman to my ears.

And yup.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2021, 09:27:00 AM
I think Senjutsu is better than The Final Frontier and The Book of Souls. While those 2 albums had higher highs (ok maybe not TFF), they had a few songs I didn’t care for at all while I really like every song here. I’m satisfied with this album.

I think so too.  Being better than TFF was a bit easier for me, but I think it is likely better than TBOS as well.  Which means it's probably better than DOD too.  Is it better than BNW or AMOLAD? I'm not sure about that.  I need more listens.  Who knows where this ends up, but it's not at the bottom or near the bottom.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 03, 2021, 09:31:41 AM
TFF is still my favorite Reunion album.  :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: BelichickFan on September 03, 2021, 09:33:45 AM
I think Senjutsu is better than The Final Frontier and The Book of Souls. While those 2 albums had higher highs (ok maybe not TFF), they had a few songs I didn’t care for at all while I really like every song here. I’m satisfied with this album.
I'll take the higher highs any day.  The new one is OK and I haven't heard it that much but nothing stands out to me as great on it.  One of the lesser reunion albums for me as of now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2021, 09:34:25 AM
TFF is still my favorite Reunion album.  :P

AMOLAD is still mine  :P
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 03, 2021, 09:56:58 AM
Senjutsu isn't even better than Fear of the Dark or No Prayer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2021, 09:59:49 AM
Senjutsu isn't even better than Fear of the Dark or No Prayer.

 ::)  I got to imagine this is a minority opinion, but to each their own. 
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Post by: soupytwist on September 03, 2021, 10:00:08 AM
TFF is still my favorite Reunion album.  :P

Yup, me too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: BelichickFan on September 03, 2021, 10:04:37 AM
TFF is still my favorite Reunion album.  :P

I think my order is:

The Book of Souls
A Matter of Life and Death
Brave New World
Dance of Death
TFF/Senjetsu (the latter is too new to rank these two yet)

I don't dislike the bottom two, I just prefer the others. Dance of Death tough, it's best is great but 6 of 11 are throwaways for me. I prefer albums with "higher highs" but that throwaway ratio is just too high.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 03, 2021, 10:05:16 AM
Love the soloing on this album. A lot more feel and melodicaly constructed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 03, 2021, 10:12:38 AM
Senjutsu isn't even better than Fear of the Dark or No Prayer.

I think it is, but I don’t think those albums are bad at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 03, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
Very quick initial thoughts:

Surprised - but also delighted because I'm hopeful my opinion will change - at how positive the reaction to Darkest Hour is here. It just left me feeling utterly bored.

Several songs sounded as though they'd benefit from getting into the action straight away.

And is it just me or does the first vocal melody in Hell on Earth really, really sound like When the Wild Wind Blows?

I saw many people elsewhere comparing it to The X Factor. Maybe, in terms of the oppressive feel. But Senjutsu isn't fit to lace The X Factor's boots :biggrin: (I am aware of how preposterous that assertion is given that I've only listened to it once :lol)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 03, 2021, 10:21:10 AM
One thing I’ve noticed is that people who are quick to criticize DT for rehashing things totally excuse it when Maiden re-hash almost entire songs  :lol. Bit of a double standard.
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Post by: bluefox4000 on September 03, 2021, 10:38:28 AM
This album is Fantastic.  I realize for Maiden it doesn't re-invent the wheel nor should we have expected them to.  but i have to be honest and say it does enough things to keep it fresh.  it does away for the most part with the repetitive hooks over and over.  and thus the album flew by for me.

I loved basically the entire first disc with the stand out track being The Darkest Hour (pasted solo and all.....i don't care, lol)

2nd disc is a little less grabbing me but the Parchment Kicks major ass.

i think this is better Than TBOS honestly and AMOLAD (which is the biggest offender of Streaching songs out with repeating hooks.....god is that album too much and i do love it, BTW)''

Great fuckin' album
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Post by: DTwwbwMP on September 03, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
This album is Fantastic.  I realize for Maiden it doesn't re-invent the wheel nor should we have expected them to.  but i have to be honest and say it does enough things to keep it fresh.
Great fuckin' album

Completely agree. IMO, it's the best 2K album in the Maiden canon!  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2021, 11:17:52 AM
One thing I’ve noticed is that people who are quick to criticize DT for rehashing things totally excuse it when Maiden re-hash almost entire songs  :lol. Bit of a double standard.

I think there's a good amount of criticism for IM rehashing things.  For me, I never bitched about DT doing it or any bands.  Some bands find their groove and stick with it, it never bothered me as long as I liked the songs (which I do for both bands). There's definitely a side of prog fans who feel like bands should always evolve though, which is fine.  To each their own on what they would like a band to do.  As long as the music is good, I don't care.

I also think, with IM being so old now, that it's just kind of expected that they aren't going to change things up too much and for us hardcore fans, just enjoy getting new music from them that is still enjoyable is a huge win regardless of musical direction.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 03, 2021, 11:24:29 AM
My initial impression is that this album is pretty consistent with the quality of the albums from 2000 on. My faves are the BNW/DOD/AMOLAD run, but it already seems Senjutsu is the best from the last 3: it has more consistency, variety and best production (still not great and awaaaay from JP's Firepower perfection), although it doesn't have Empire of the Clouds. :heart
Already totally loving Senjutsu, Time Machine and Hell on Earth! And a lot of great instrumental passages and soloing by Smith/Murray/Gers! :metal :metal :metal
By the way, zero complaints about ANY repetitions on the choruses, right? :tup
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Post by: bluefox4000 on September 03, 2021, 11:36:50 AM
My initial impression is that this album is pretty consistent with the quality of the albums from 2000 on. My faves are the BNW/DOD/AMOLAD run, but it already seems Senjutsu is the best from the last 3: it has more consistency, variety and best production (still not great and awaaaay from JP's Firepower perfection), although it doesn't have Empire of the Clouds. :heart
Already totally loving Senjutsu, Time Machine and Hell on Earth! And a lot of great instrumental passages and soloing by Smith/Murray/Gers! :metal :metal :metal
By the way, zero complaints about ANY repetitions on the choruses, right? :tup

the repetition is pretty much done away with on Shinjutsu.  as much as i love AMOLAD but it went on six years too long.  just the chorus over and over.  that album was the biggest offender of that.  i love it but you cut at least three refrains from each song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 03, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
My big book version just arrived. Will listen tonight. Have yet to hear a single note.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on September 03, 2021, 11:41:32 AM
TFF is still my favorite Reunion album.  :P

AMOLAD is still mine  :P

BNW is mine ;-p




Have had a couple of listens and am really enjoying the new album. So far not a single track sounds like filler to me. It all flows and blends quite well, though I do get the comment about how there are so many slow acoustic starting tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 03, 2021, 11:43:47 AM
TFF is still my favorite Reunion album.  :P

AMOLAD is still mine  :P

BNW is mine ;-p

...and I go for DoD  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 03, 2021, 11:49:41 AM
TFF is still my favorite Reunion album.  :P

AMOLAD is still mine  :P

BNW is mine ;-p

...and I go for DoD  ;D

Me too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 03, 2021, 11:58:32 AM
One thing I’ve noticed is that people who are quick to criticize DT for rehashing things totally excuse it when Maiden re-hash almost entire songs  :lol. Bit of a double standard.

In my opinion there are two relevant criticisms that can be made to the album.

1) The production isn't the best, even by the standard of the latest IM records (And I'm not one of the people who always complain about production).

2) There are in fact a number of similar or even identical ideas. I think there was a little care in trying to avoid that.
And I give an example of one of my favorites on the record.

The Time Machine: 03:08
The Book of Souls: 05:21

Janick made the same melody (or very similar)  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on September 03, 2021, 12:11:31 PM
Man the last two tracks are pure money. Amazing ending to the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 03, 2021, 12:28:03 PM
Yeah the last 2 songs are the best imo. The Parchment is my favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 03, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
Ok, second listen in and a few more random thoughts  :biggrin:

- Maybe not shocking, but I liked the album better the second time around
- I like, but don't love, Darkest Hour. It does however carry a nice, emotional weight, and the solos are very good. And it's a nice breather in the tracklist.
- Days of Future Past is a neat short track. The intro and the main riff made me hope for something a little more memorable. Still, a good one.
- I enjoyed Hell on Earth MUCH more the second time around. I like that the song has more of a story-telling structure...arguably, there really is only one chorus proper, and the only thing that truly repeats (not surprisingly) is the intro and the ending. Speaking of the intro, yes, it's the usual bass/clean guitar, but it does really set the mood for the song. Feels a bit old-school, in a To Tame a Land kind of way. Still wish they'd move away from the vocal/guitar melody thingy but, again, the melodies are strong. Like the guitar solos a lot, and there's this nice melodic reprise (around 6:30 just before the quiet section) I actually wish was a little longer.
- Confirming The Parchment is very good. Great, more epic riffing. Kind of a more subdued version of The Nomad
- The Time Machine still possibly my current favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 03, 2021, 01:22:54 PM

2) There are in fact a number of similar or even identical ideas. I think there was a little care in trying to avoid that.
And I give an example of one of my favorites on the record.

The Time Machine: 03:08
The Book of Souls: 05:21

Janick made the same melody (or very similar)  :lol

Definitely true! I guess he really likes that one, as he had already kinda used it on Edge of Darkness (see a few posts above)  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on September 03, 2021, 01:54:02 PM
Gonna hold off on this for a couple months. I know myself too well and right now I'm smitten with the new NMB album. Nothing is going to push that from top rotation. If I wait until I start to tire of it, I'm more likely to appreciate Maiden's new one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 03, 2021, 03:01:43 PM
Back from holiday and I couldn't find today a shop where to buy it. I know I could stream it but it's Iron Maiden, I want the album in my hands!!!

Right now I'm biding my time with a spin of The Book of Souls. Still love it. That's gonna be a tough one to follow.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nel on September 03, 2021, 03:26:25 PM
Bought the Target version with the lenticular artwork. I *really* love the inner artwork with Eddie in the field with the slain warriors. I kind of want to make a fan-cover art out of that.
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Post by: Dream Team on September 03, 2021, 03:38:35 PM
Steve: how many solos should there be in The Parchment guys?
3 Amigos: Yes
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 03, 2021, 08:54:31 PM

2) There are in fact a number of similar or even identical ideas. I think there was a little care in trying to avoid that.
And I give an example of one of my favorites on the record.

The Time Machine: 03:08
The Book of Souls: 05:21

Janick made the same melody (or very similar)  :lol

Definitely true! I guess he really likes that one, as he had already kinda used it on Edge of Darkness (see a few posts above)  ;D

Yes! These melodies make you want to go out dancing in a flashy way.  :biggrin:

I love Janick  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 03, 2021, 11:53:30 PM
Bah!  Went to a couple of stores today but sold out.  Frustrating.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 04, 2021, 04:38:39 AM
Bah!  Went to a couple of stores today but sold out.  Frustrating.

Went to one, they didn't have it. Went to another, they didn't have the format I wanted. *sigh* guess I'll have to purchase it online and listen to it on Spotify, I wanted to hear it with the booklet in my hands but who can wait any longer? damn retail stores that gave up on metal music, I managed to find the deliuxe copy of The Book of Souls straight away last time around!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2021, 05:16:52 AM
Bah!  Went to a couple of stores today but sold out.  Frustrating.

Went to one, they didn't have it. Went to another, they didn't have the format I wanted. *sigh* guess I'll have to purchase it online and listen to it on Spotify, I wanted to hear it with the booklet in my hands but who can wait any longer? damn retail stores that gave up on metal music, I managed to find the deliuxe copy of The Book of Souls straight away last time around!!!

Same mate.  I'll try a couple more tomorrow morning but was pumped to listen to it this weekend.  Might result to listening online too.  Really don't want to though.
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Post by: DoctorAction on September 04, 2021, 08:27:46 AM
There's a supermarket chain in the UK called ASDA (owned by Walmart) who have done a deal with Maiden and are selling t shirts, the album, and the Maiden Sun And Steel lager. I've been to 3 branches and can I find a trace? No, I fucking can't. :lol

Been listening on Spotify and after second listen I can say I'm well impressed. Bloody good. I have no problem with the production. Has some beef and punch. A bit like a cross between DOD and TXF in terms of sound.

Death Of The Celts is the only track I can see me skipping in future. It has some enjoyable stuff in the middle break but feels a bit pointless when compared to the fresh, focussed meatiness of the rest of the album.

Really, really good.  :metal
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2021, 09:01:11 AM
That Sun And Steel sake is very nice.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 09:41:29 AM

Death Of The Celts is the only track I can see me skipping in future. It has some enjoyable stuff in the middle break but feels a bit pointless when compared to the fresh, focussed meatiness of the rest of the album.


I kind of feel the same way, but about The Parchment. It's a bit brooding, but it ends real nice with Bruce's climax.

I like DOTC. The Thin Lizzy/Gary Moore Irish tinged moments always appeal to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 04, 2021, 09:58:25 AM
Well, I'm loving it. It sounds exactly like Iron Maiden, with enough new elements to keep it interesting. At 82 minutes, there's a fair amount of bloat on there, especially the longer songs. I can only assume it's something to do with how royalties are paid on streaming services - Book of Souls could have stood some editing to fit onto a single disc, but this one feels like it's been deliberately padded to stretch to a double.

Senjutsu is a hell of an opening track, with Japanese Koto style drumming, a great galloping beat with a strong melody. It sounds nothing like Maiden, until the guitars come in and then there's no doubt who this is, one of the stronger songs on the album. Stratego is a solid rocker to follow up, and a reminder that 'Arry can still write great rockers in under 5 minutes - a fact you wish he'd bear in mind elsewhere on the album. Writing on the Wall sounds even better in the context of the album, almost like a whole new song, and is one of my favourites.

Next up, the first of the big Steve Harris epics that dominate the album, Lost In A Lost World. And lets face it, we all know exactly what to expect, 'Arry has been writing the exact same song for 30 years now. The quieter intro bit has a keyboard wash and echoey vocals that make it sound a bit like Planet Caravan, then the band kick in with a trademark Maiden gallop. It delivers - it's not bad, it's just standard Maiden fare. Days of Future Past is a Smith/Dickinson rocker with a great chorus and melody.

Disc 1 ends with The Time Machine, another Harris epic, this time a co-write with Jan, which elevates it slightly. It's good, and the one song on the album that I found myself wishing was a bit longer. Disc 2 opens with Darkest Hour, the album's third and last Smith/Dickinson tune, and this one is a little odd for an opener - it's not exactly a ballad, but it's a slower tempo song of the sort you wouldn't really expect Smith to write. I like it a lot.

The album ends with 3 Steve Harris epics back to back. Death of the Celts is standard fare, with a nice Irish Jig section, and it sounds like it belongs in the Blaze Bailey era (Bruce's voice is sounding more like Blaze as it ages). The Parchment is better, much better. Probably the best thing Maiden have done since Powerslave. Finally Maiden have their own Kashmir - this is brilliant (even if it is about 2 minutes too long). I suspect this will be a LOT of people's favourite Maiden song of the reunion era. A lot of reviews have claimed final track Hell On Earth is even better, but I just don't hear it. It was a lot better on second listen, mind, so perhaps this one's a grower.

Whether you love this one or not will depend on your opinion of those Steve Harris epics that all sound the same. If you like them, you'll love this album, because it's chock full of them. It is bloated and should have been a single disc, and the digipack remains a horrible idea. The keyboards are pretty awful too - keyboard technology has come a long way in the last 30 years. After 2 listens I's say it's a better album than Book of Souls because it's more coherent and focused, but it's too long and too Harris-heavy to be better than TFF or AMOLAD.

Album of the year? Well, that depends on how good the ABBA album turns out to be...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 10:08:45 AM
That's a nice writeup, Orange.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 04, 2021, 10:23:39 AM
Yeah, nice review, man!

I still think it's a tired album, and Bruce's vocals being in the mid range most of the time makes the whole album lack dynamic. But ...I got a physical copy today!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 04, 2021, 10:24:44 AM
Nice write-up indeed, and for the most part it captures how I feel about the album so far too.

I do think Lost in a Lost World is a little more of a departure from the typical Harris' epic (not THAT different, of course  :)) But overall, yes, I agree with your points on the songs. I have no idea where the album will land in my rankings, as it's ridiculously early, but I have to say I'm overall quite happy with it. As with many "modern" IM albums, I wish certain things were different, but it's more than a solid effort.

And I also want to add that The Writing on the Wall clicked big time. I mean, I liked it when I heard it first, but I love it now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 11:28:51 AM
Yeah, nice review, man!

I still think it's a tired album, and Bruce's vocals being in the mid range most of the time makes the whole album lack dynamic. But ...I got a physical copy today!

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/classic-rock-roll-of-honour-awards-park-lane-hotel-london-britain-02-picture-id566832191?s=612x612)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 04, 2021, 12:14:58 PM
I'm still waiting for my physical copy, but I listened to the whole album on youtube and piped it through my big stereo. 
I hope the production sounds better on the cd than the obviously compressed YouTube version.  I liked the album but need to hear it a few more times to give a accurate review. So far I think Death of the Celts is my favorite. That one grabbed my attention more than the other epics for some reason.  The album comes in with a bang with the first three tracks and puts you in that nice Maiden-y mode to set the stage for the rest of the album.  It seems like a non metal album on the most part with it's laid back nature.  I'm excited to get know the album better, but I'm gonna wait until the cd arrives as the sound quality will be better. I'm just glad the guys are still making new music and love doing what they do.   :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 04, 2021, 01:30:29 PM
It looks like Maiden has perfected what they do. This is pretty much a textbook album from them, and they really pushed some boundaries insofar as sounds go. At the same time I found it pretty boring. Every song sounds exactly like what they've been doing for the last 26 years. While a lot of the style was new and fresh, the songs were rehashes. I kept having the same thought: wow, I've never heard them do this before, and yet I've heard this a thousand times before. The exception was WotW, which I now like more for its uniqueness.

That's not to say that I didn't like it. A couple of the songs were quite good, if derivative. Unfortunately, I thought the best songs typically ran on a few minutes too long. Each new song that came on I'd think "hey, this is pretty cool," before it turned into standard Maiden by the numbers. The standout was Darkest Hour, I thought (and the reason I went back 26 years, rather than 20). Time Machine was also solid. Shorter tracks that weren't trying to be anything but cool songs.

Also, I'm now ready to jump on the "ditch Kevin Shirley" bandwagon (though in truth, I suspect Arry is the bigger culprit in this). This is not a good sounding album.

Question: is having a guitar double Bruce a new thing, or have I just not noticed before? Seemed to be a recurring theme here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on September 04, 2021, 01:48:57 PM
If anyone has a vinyl copy in hand already, does it come with a download code? The description never specified, so if not I might search out the book version if it’s still available to match my copy of TBOS
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 04, 2021, 02:24:29 PM
The guitar doubling Bruce is a pretty horrible arrangement device, imo. I try to tune it out. I think I was first aware of it on When The Wind Blows and it spoiled that track for me. Which is a shame as it's great subject matter.

I feel it over-emphasises a single melody to the point where it feels like the rest of the instrumentation is rendered less important, and the track feels somehow oversimplified as a result. I'm not sure I've quite put my finger on it there but something like that.

I think Steve secretly wants them all to play a single English Folk Irish Jig melody in time to some drums and Bruce sing that same tune for an hour straight.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 04, 2021, 02:36:21 PM
Heard it. Quick first impressions:

SENJUTSU is good, expected it to pick up the pace sometime. Now I know it's a bombastic mid tempo, I'll appreciate it for what it is, it's so dramatic and epic!

STRATEGO is a solid rocking track.

THE WRITING ON THE WALL is good all things considered! it has a good punch and flows very well.

LOST IN A LOST WORLD.... mh.... didn't convince me.

DAYS OF FUTURE PAST feels like one of the lesser short tracks, Alchemist or Pilgrim are better probably.

THE TIME MACHINE didn't convince me either.

DARKEST HOUR is great!!! so intense and powerful! hoped for more lyrics and even more dramatic passages but it's a great track!

DEATH OF THE CELTS is as "useless" (we already had The Clansman) as fun it is. Quite nice.

THE PARCHMENT.... eh, a lot to digest, guess I'll need to hear it more.

HELL ON EARTH is great but why in the bloody hell, after years and years of repeating choruses, they have such a great chorus and use it only ONCE!?!?!? it could have been such a great bombastic way to end the song (and the album) but they go out with a whimper, rather than a bang! the song and album should have ended with that chorus, come on!


And yeah, the guitars doubling Bruce is all over the place. Gut feeling? The Book of Souls is better, but this album is good. I hope I will catch up with the songs that didn't grab me!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jingle.boy on September 04, 2021, 02:58:30 PM
I haven’t followed this thread in quite some time, didn’t even realize the new release was yesterday. Gave it a spin today. I’ll give more thoughts another time, but if I could sum the album (and band for that matter) up one one word, it would be “tired”.

I was thinking I was gonna be the only one to say it, but then saw Rodrigo and Bart chime in along those lines.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 04, 2021, 03:13:23 PM

I think Steve secretly wants them all to play a single English Folk Irish Jig melody in time to some drums and Bruce sing that same tune for an hour straight.


I can hear that...:rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 04, 2021, 03:24:02 PM

Question: is having a guitar double Bruce a new thing, or have I just not noticed before? Seemed to be a recurring theme here.

Well, is present in songs like Aces High, Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger, Ghost of the Navigator.....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on September 04, 2021, 03:27:53 PM
It looks like Maiden has perfected what they do. This is pretty much a textbook album from them, and they really pushed some boundaries insofar as sounds go. At the same time I found it pretty boring. Every song sounds exactly like what they've been doing for the last 26 years. While a lot of the style was new and fresh, the songs were rehashes. I kept having the same thought: wow, I've never heard them do this before, and yet I've heard this a thousand times before. The exception was WotW, which I now like more for its uniqueness.

That's not to say that I didn't like it. A couple of the songs were quite good, if derivative. Unfortunately, I thought the best songs typically ran on a few minutes too long. Each new song that came on I'd think "hey, this is pretty cool," before it turned into standard Maiden by the numbers. The standout was Darkest Hour, I thought (and the reason I went back 26 years, rather than 20). Time Machine was also solid. Shorter tracks that weren't trying to be anything but cool songs.

Also, I'm now ready to jump on the "ditch Kevin Shirley" bandwagon (though in truth, I suspect Arry is the bigger culprit in this). This is not a good sounding album.

Question: is having a guitar double Bruce a new thing, or have I just not noticed before? Seemed to be a recurring theme here.

I’m not sure Kevin Shirley is to blame, this is how they want it to sound.  If you listen to Shirley’s work on Falling Into Infinity, it sounds pristine.  It’s not my favourite DT album but it sounds great, same with the Journey albums he did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 03:59:01 PM
but if I could sum the album (and band for that matter) up one one word, it would be “tired”.


I can understand being less than impressed with the album, but I'd hardly call the band tired. The Legacy Of The Beast tour in 2019 was generally regarded by many long time Maiden fans as one of their best performances. And previously, the Book Of Souls tour was a ridiculously energetic performance.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jingle.boy on September 04, 2021, 04:06:31 PM
but if I could sum the album (and band for that matter) up one one word, it would be “tired”.


I can understand being less than impressed with the album, but I'd hardly call the band tired. The Legacy Of The Beast tour in 2019 was generally regarded by many long time Maiden fans as one of their best performances. And previously, the Book Of Souls tour was a ridiculously energetic performance.

To clarify... I didn't mean this vis-a-vis their touring stamina - though, Bruce has clearly lost a lot of the upper range and power over the years.  I meant from the standpoint of writing new songs that sound fresh, and innovative, and exciting.  I haven't gotten anything from them over the last 3 albums.

I'll admit, this is clearly a 'me' thing, give the apparent circle jerk that's largely going on in this thread.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 04:10:57 PM
but if I could sum the album (and band for that matter) up one one word, it would be “tired”.


I can understand being less than impressed with the album, but I'd hardly call the band tired. The Legacy Of The Beast tour in 2019 was generally regarded by many long time Maiden fans as one of their best performances. And previously, the Book Of Souls tour was a ridiculously energetic performance.

To clarify... I didn't mean this vis-a-vis their touring stamina - though, Bruce has clearly lost a lot of the upper range and power over the years.  I meant from the standpoint of writing new songs that sound fresh, and innovative, and exciting.  I haven't gotten anything from them over the last 3 albums.

I'll admit, this is clearly a 'me' thing, give the apparent circle jerk that's largely going on in this thread.

Nah, that's ok. Look, I'm likely taking at least 3 Reunion Era albums over this one. But I can still find enough enjoyable songs to still really like this. I wasn't a huge fan of The Book Of Souls, personally.


I actually don't think there's a huge circle jerk going on anyway. This album has definitely taken some heat here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 04, 2021, 04:11:37 PM
I think the problem is not Kevin Shirley, it's the fact that he doesn't have a say on what goes on an album and what doesn't. At this stage in the game, what I think happens is that the band tries to please everyone and not argue about what goes on an album and what gets cut. I still believe they could release something as influential, trendsetting and IMPORTANT for metal as their 80's output was, but that will require some criticism and some editing. I just don't think they're ready to accept that at this point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 04:27:13 PM
Right. The buck stops with Steve.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 04, 2021, 04:40:23 PM
Agreed. Kevin’s role with Maiden seems to be more of a recording/mixing engineer than actual producer.

Btw, every time I hear the intro to The Parchment, I think of this: https://youtu.be/tbNlMtqrYS0  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 04, 2021, 04:49:38 PM
I think the problem is not Kevin Shirley, it's the fact that he doesn't have a say on what goes on an album and what doesn't. At this stage in the game, what I think happens is that the band tries to please everyone and not argue about what goes on an album and what gets cut. I still believe they could release something as influential, trendsetting and IMPORTANT for metal as their 80's output was, but that will require some criticism and some editing. I just don't think they're ready to accept that at this point.

But this is not an easy task. Despite good records released or not, it is undeniable that most of the old bands produced the really influential material in their early years.

This is true for Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Yes, Jethro Tull etc.

And even when they manage to produce a cool record (eg 13 by Black Sabbath or more recent works by Purple) these records are bonuses to their careers. They don't increase the influence of these bands.

Judas managed to make an album exactly the way the fans wanted and it was a success. But it cannot be said that Firepower is an important record for the history of Heavy Metal in the band's discography. Important ones are British Steel or Screaming for Vengeance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 04, 2021, 04:56:24 PM
I think the problem is not Kevin Shirley, it's the fact that he doesn't have a say on what goes on an album and what doesn't. At this stage in the game, what I think happens is that the band tries to please everyone and not argue about what goes on an album and what gets cut. I still believe they could release something as influential, trendsetting and IMPORTANT for metal as their 80's output was, but that will require some criticism and some editing. I just don't think they're ready to accept that at this point.
Although I’ve learned to really like post 2000 Maiden’s output, I kind agree with that. I just think it’s more a matter of following Steve’s vision than a question of pleasing everyone in the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 04, 2021, 05:03:16 PM
I think the problem is not Kevin Shirley, it's the fact that he doesn't have a say on what goes on an album and what doesn't. At this stage in the game, what I think happens is that the band tries to please everyone and not argue about what goes on an album and what gets cut. I still believe they could release something as influential, trendsetting and IMPORTANT for metal as their 80's output was, but that will require some criticism and some editing. I just don't think they're ready to accept that at this point.
Although I’ve learned to really like post 2000 Maiden’s output, I kind agree with that. I just think it’s more a matter of following Steve’s vision than a question of pleasing everyone in the band.

I imagine them in the studio, going "oh, you got a riff for this song? Yeah, chuck it in there!" - with no filter or criteria whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 04, 2021, 05:09:51 PM
Question: is having a guitar double Bruce a new thing, or have I just not noticed before? Seemed to be a recurring theme here.

It goes back about 20 years, in terms of when it really began in earnest, at this point. And it's highly fucking annoying. Really fucking annoying. And it's such a shame because, to me, the implication is that Bruce's voice and the melody aren't strong enough together to carry the tune. I know others will say it's being doubled because it's a strong melody but I disagree. Because I've had a beer :biggrin:

Also, since I'm listening to the album now and it's loud... it sounds like shit. Sonically, it's awful. Brickwalled to fuck and no dynamics. The CD isn't worth listening to on good speakers. Stick to your phones and £10 earbuds, people.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 05:13:18 PM
Question: is having a guitar double Bruce a new thing, or have I just not noticed before? Seemed to be a recurring theme here.

It goes back about 20 years at this point. And it's highly fucking annoying. Really fucking annoying. And it's such a shame because, to me, the implication is that Bruce's voice and the melody aren't strong enough together to carry the tune. I know others will say it's being doubled because it's a strong melody but I disagree. Because I've had a beer :biggrin:

I don't think that's the implication at all. I feel like it might have to do with an extra guitarist. Of just to over highlight the melody. I don't think any shortcomings from Bruce have anything to do with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 04, 2021, 05:25:30 PM
Well I spun this like 3 times last night and all 3 times it just flew by and I really enjoyed it. The two "singles" sounded so much better in the context of the whole listening experience. I wasn't expecting anything more from Maiden other than a continuation of what they've been doing for the last 20 years. With that in mind, I was pleasantly surprised with how strong most of the tracks came across.  Of course I was completely drunk off my ass (as is proper when listening to Maiden) so I'm sure that helped! Going to check this out some with a (slightly) clearer head.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 04, 2021, 05:32:14 PM
I do think that the guitar doubling the vocal melody, at least this time around, has a bit to do with Bruce being a bit less powerful than he used to be. I think the vocal arrangements in general in this album are an attempt to compensate that impression.

I just don't see that as a problem (neither how Bruce is singing nor the measures taken to "beef up" his vocal sound). It all feels like wrinkles on an old bulldog -- part of the charm  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dave_Manchester on September 04, 2021, 05:54:45 PM
The album's more of the same really but that's fine by me, I don't usually look to my favourite bands to 'innovate', I hope to hear their familiar sound (topic for another dedicated thread maybe but when was the last truly innovative and genre-influencing metal album? I ask because someone mentioned on the previous page that some classic metal acts are still putting out important, influential albums, and I respectfully disagree, but I'm open to having my opinion changed).

2 listens in and this album is making me smile a lot. It's familiar, it's comfortable, it's unmistakably the guys. I enjoy the music a lot and I'm really happy with the album. For a bunch of metal musicians well into their 60s I love that they're still so consistent. We're gonna sorely miss these guys when they're gone because even though "it sounds like the same old Iron Maiden", nevertheless nobody else is doing it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 05:59:08 PM
The album's more of the same really but that's fine by me, I don't usually look to my favourite bands to 'innovate', I hope to hear their familiar sound (topic for another dedicated thread maybe but when was the last truly innovative and genre-influencing metal album? I ask because someone mentioned on the previous page that some classic metal acts are still putting out important, influential albums, and I respectfully disagree, but I'm open to having my opinion changed).

2 listens in and this album is making me smile a lot. It's familiar, it's comfortable, it's unmistakably the guys. I enjoy the music a lot and I'm really happy with the album. For a bunch of metal musicians well into their 60s I love that they're still so consistent. We're gonna sorely miss these guys when they're gone.

Not sure I've heard one, honestly. Firepower was an amazing album, but it's not like Priest have been really consistent over the last 20 years.

Other metal bands like Accept and Saxon have put out really good and consistent albums.

I agree though. My favorite band, in their 60's, puts out an album that I really like. No complaints here.





If Iron Maiden is a peripheral band for someone, I get the trepidation. They're tied for my Top band, so I'll like pretty much anything they put out, even if some of it is not as good as something else they've done. But this album, like every album, has a bunch of really good tunes that I like a lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 04, 2021, 06:03:03 PM
We're gonna sorely miss these guys when they're gone[...]

Well, of course. But that doesn't mean we or they should settle. I think we might all have done to that, to a degree, for at least the last couple of albums; whatever the reason may be.

But I love the chaps dearly, and most of their music, all the same. I'll be misty eyed and inconsolable when they hang up their boots.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2021, 06:07:28 PM
We're gonna sorely miss these guys when they're gone[...]

Well, of course. But that doesn't mean we or they should settle. I think we might all have done to that, to a degree, for at least the last couple of albums; whatever the reason may be.

But I love the chaps dearly. and most of their music, all the same. I'll be misty eyed and inconsolable when they hang up their boots.

Let's just enjoy it for what it is instead of being frustrated by what it isn't then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dave_Manchester on September 04, 2021, 06:13:37 PM
We're gonna sorely miss these guys when they're gone[...]

Well, of course. But that doesn't mean we or they should settle. I think we might all have done to that, to a degree, for at least the last couple of albums; whatever the reason may be.

But I love the chaps dearly. and most of their music, all the same. I'll be misty eyed and inconsolable when they hang up their boots.

For sure, I'm not undermining anyone else's disappointment or implying they're any less of a fan for it. I'm just saying that for me personally I get a lot of joy out of albums that many other fans (again, absolutely not judging them) consider to be "by-the-numbers". Case in point, I'm a huge fan of DT's self-titled album. Formulaic and by-the-numbers? Sure, but dammit I love that formula and I love those numbers. I can see why many fans would consider Senjutsu to be over-familiar (and I agree with 3 of the main criticisms of their recent output, namely, poor production, needlessly lengthened songs, and Bruce's higher range now sounds a bit like a raging Abe Simpson slipping into a coma), but it's what I was hoping for. Maybe I'll change my opinion in the coming weeks, this is all still so fresh, but this band are such an important part of my life that to hear 'more of the same' is nothing but thrilling for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 04, 2021, 06:14:02 PM
We're gonna sorely miss these guys when they're gone[...]

Well, of course. But that doesn't mean we or they should settle. I think we might all have done to that, to a degree, for at least the last couple of albums; whatever the reason may be.

But I love the chaps dearly. and most of their music, all the same. I'll be misty eyed and inconsolable when they hang up their boots.

Let's just enjoy it for what it is instead of being frustrated by what it isn't then.

I'm frustrated by what it could be :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 04, 2021, 06:18:36 PM
I was pleasantly surprised with how strong most of the tracks came across.  Of course I was completely drunk off my ass (as is proper when listening to Maiden) so I'm sure that helped!

:rollin
I always enjoy a good Maiden album after a few beers. Good fun!   :metal 🍺
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 04, 2021, 06:20:17 PM
...but this band are such an important part of my life that to hear 'more of the same' is nothing but thrilling for me.

Yes, I totally understand that. And I think the vast majority of us are coming at this with love in our hearts, however we demonstrate it.

But DT12... yikes :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 04, 2021, 06:23:57 PM
I haven’t followed this thread in quite some time, didn’t even realize the new release was yesterday. Gave it a spin today. I’ll give more thoughts another time, but if I could sum the album (and band for that matter) up one one word, it would be “tired”.

Yeah, I would have to agree.  I mean it's a fine crafted album and something Iron Maiden should be proud of, but man, it's pretty hard for me to listen to that album again in full in comparison to The Book of Souls.

On another note, The Writing on the Wall is growing on me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2021, 06:28:11 PM
Boom, just ghot a copy.  The deluxe fancy book version isn't available here yet so settled for the regular edition.  Assuming the bigger book version wouldn't be much different anyway.  Will listen tonight and post reactions.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 04, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
Question: is having a guitar double Bruce a new thing, or have I just not noticed before? Seemed to be a recurring theme here.

It goes back about 20 years, in terms of when it really began in earnest, at this point. And it's highly fucking annoying. Really fucking annoying. And it's such a shame because, to me, the implication is that Bruce's voice and the melody aren't strong enough together to carry the tune. I know others will say it's being doubled because it's a strong melody but I disagree. Because I've had a beer :biggrin:

Also, since I'm listening to the album now and it's loud... it sounds like shit. Sonically, it's awful. Brickwalled to fuck and no dynamics. The CD isn't worth listening to on good speakers. Stick to your phones and £10 earbuds, people.
The guitar doubling has never jumped out at me. I'm sure it's happened, but it seemed obvious and repetitive here. And my impression was that they were trying make the melody pop more, but like you said, it really wasn't necessary.

And yeah, it sounds awful to me. It's certainly not Dream Theater loud, but it's definitely too loud to sound decent. I got all good and baked last night, and the neighbor wasn't home, so I was all excited to crank it up on a real stereo. That didn't last long. I actually rushed through the last two songs so I could put Queensryche on and appreciate some good sound.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 04, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
Aside from a few flaws such as production think they have penned some true old-school magic here and while always the sum of their collective parts, the true drawcard here is absolutely Bruce. 

Don't care for comparisons to his old self and all that shit, he sounds inspired and he sounds in complete control.  After everything the man has been through he sounds outfuckingstanding here and am in complete awe of the man's talent!

Fully aware we can get caught up in the wave of excitement when these things are new but confident this beats the pants off Final Frontier and is already better than the otherwise great BookOfSouls. To my mind this is as close to perfect new millennium Maiden as we could hope for and I absolutely love this album.

Love the title track serves as the perfect intro, agree Writing works much better as an album track, still love Stratego, some of the best moments are the many XFactor-isms particularly so in the huge Lost In A Lost World, they finally nail the concept of a ballad in Darkest Hour (dig the slight Man Of Sorrows vibe), Days Of Future Past too has a Chemical era about it but given that Maiden twist, Time Machine is a blast and Hell On Earth is the perfect conclusion and about the only thing it might be missing is the Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son chorus. 

Not been quite so thrilled with a Maiden album like this since AMOLAD and both Maiden and Blaze serving us some of their finest work this late in their careers, and in the same year at that, is simply unheard of!

Splendid stuff \m/

Love reading all the thoughts here too guys good stuff!


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on September 04, 2021, 09:03:15 PM
Only had a chance for one listen, but I kept thinking that this the reunion era version of x factor, which isn't a bad thing. Sounds familiar yet unlike anything they've done before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 04, 2021, 10:45:48 PM
Having my first listen today and I actually think the production is not the real issue, the mixing is. There is almost zero separation in anything, except Nicko. It's like they went into the mixing room and Steve said just set all of the dials at the same level except for Nicko, punch him up a bit. The drums are the only thing I can really hear clearly. Everything else bleeds together. I was also annoyed by the guitar doubling Bruce. I can tell that there seems to be things punched in here and there, but it so hard to pick it up since everything is mixed with no separation. I do think the mix improved a bit as the album went on, but those first few tracks were a muddled mess to me.

I am enjoying the album, I just wish Steve would let Caveman alone. I know the man is an excellent engineer and mixer, except when Maiden is involved. I always rip him on these Maiden records, but I think I am past that now. It's not Kevin's fault, it's Steve.

Anyway, speaking of Nicko, he does really sound great on this album. I am stunned at his single kick prowess. It's amazing the notes he can get with a single pedal and at his current age!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 04, 2021, 11:20:13 PM
Really enjoying everyone's comments - the positive and negative.

On the guitar doubling the vocals - this has never bothered me before or stood out to me as a negative and still doesn't on this album. Yes I agree it is present in a number of songs but I don't have an issue with it. I also think it most likely exists because of having 3 guitarists - I mean what are they meant to do? All 3 play the same chords? Sure they could come up with some kind of counter melody lead but maybe that would be too much and take away from the vocals. I don't think the lead doubling the vocals has anything to do with Bruce's vocals or any deterioration in his voice. Sure he does sound older and not as powerful but it is still Bruce.

I also agree with some other comments that Nicko is great on the album. I don't actually hear as many of the same old routine fills that have existed in the past and I really love the drumming on Darkest Hour - really powerful stuff and really suits the song.

As far as originality goes, sure this album is still Maiden and not reinventing the wheel but it doesn't tread as much older ground as some of the past albums do. There is some fresh stuff here for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 05, 2021, 12:11:14 AM
On the guitar doubling the vocals - ... I also think it most likely exists because of having 3 guitarists - I mean what are they meant to do? All 3 play the same chords?

I think that's it's.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 05, 2021, 01:11:21 AM
So.... which are the two songs that Bruce said would make fans go WTF, in a hopefully benevolent way? I'd say Stratego (plodding and majestic mid tempo as album opener) and The Writing on the Wall (unusual influences).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 05, 2021, 02:47:16 AM
I almost shot you PM to ask if you'd heard it yet! Can't wait for your reactions /o/

This album kind of worries me -- it feels like the band tapped into my personal messages with friends and figured out what I wanted from an Iron Maiden album and just gave it to me  :lol I'm floored. Time Machine and Hell on Earth are the 11/10s for me, but there's a LOT for me to love here (I don't think there's any track that gets less than a 9/10 from me).

Really, really hoping they do the full-album tour setlist for this one like Bruce mentioned. Seems unlikely (and more unlikely that they'll hit South America with this tour), but I'd be happy just knowing they did it.

I couldn't believe all the catchy melodies they dug around. That and the way they'd tone things down for dynamics... ever since AMOLAD there's been some stuff in the albums that feels a bit too "off the cuff" for me, so this was a GREAT change in that regard -- everything feels really planned and worked on for great effect, with less of the "first take's good enough" vibe. Adrian mentioned they really had to work hard to get WOTW to sound right, and there's a lot like this throughout the album.

Have you guys read the lyrics? I think esp. on Hell on Earth Steve sort of reached a new level of... heartfelt bleakness? It's hard to describe, but if the lyrics posted online are legit, it's the most cryptic but oddly enticing they've ever been, lyrically.

One final thought: I've seen people complain about Janick's guitars accompanying the vocals, the quiet intros, the repetition... to each their own, but I wouldn't have this album any other way. They definitely recovered some ideas from the Blaze years and the album's all the better for it.

Definitely too attached for true objectivity (I usually kid that, with Maiden, I'm never really able to be objective, so I couldn't write professionally about them), but this is easily my favorite from them since Dance of Death (which is my favorite by them over all) and I'm glad to have it as an audio-form companion. It does carry a sense of finality to it, so while I'd love for them to have another go at the studio, if this is their last one, they couldn't have a better curtain call in my book.

By the way, it's been really exciting to post on this topic and follow everyone's reactions to this stuff. Whether I agree or disagree with any opinions bears no weight to me -- I don't know for how much longer we'll have this band in activity with us, so I see y'all as companions in this wild ride. Thanks!

DAMN!

Nice post mate just makes me smile in agreement and want to press play again! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 05, 2021, 03:10:53 AM
So.... which are the two songs that Bruce said would make fans go WTF, in a hopefully benevolent way? I'd say Stratego (plodding and majestic mid tempo as album opener) and The Writing on the Wall (unusual influences).

I think he thought of Lost in a Lost World, because of the intro.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 05, 2021, 03:43:11 AM
On the guitar doubling the vocals - ... I also think it most likely exists because of having 3 guitarists - I mean what are they meant to do? All 3 play the same chords?

I think that's it's.
I'm not saying it would fit in the context of Maiden but music can consist of more than the same chord/riff structure and melody.
With that thinking symphony orchestras with 60 musicians would sound really flat. Of course everyone dosen't play diffrent stuff but you can have for example the violin section being split in 4 parts playing lead, harmonies, counter melodies and so on and that's just one section.
It would be silly to expect Maiden compose like that but i'm just saying there's so many ways to make music interesting.
 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 03:49:59 AM
Alright, sitting at the PC just having my first listen.  Let's go;

Senjutsu;

Alright, straight away I'm loving this intro.  So moody and dark, unique yet still sounding like Maiden.  We see the Phyrgian mode being used with that F chord in the riff.  This is indeed very adventurous for an opener.  Listening through my speakers, I think it sounds okay.  I get what Prof is saying, things do blend together and reminds me a little of the Helloween production which I wasn't keen on but seems not too bad here.  I do like Steve's bass sound but Bruce is mixed a bit weird. 

A couple of solos come in pretty early here and you get a real Nomad vibe.  Dave here is actually changing things up a little here, not stale like most of his solos have been the last few albums.  That mid tempo keeps going but I'm loving this.  That high section from Bruce is nice, but again his voice is mixed far back here.  The mood here portrays the lyrics really nicely.  I like the guitar doubling in the chorus here, it's fits well.  That ending part with the key change is pure Sign on the Cross haha.  What's going on with this outro solo?  Adrian getting creative, and using whammy bar flutters?!  Woah!!!  The guitar work on this song has me quite excited.


Solos

2:23 - Adrian
2:39 - Dave
5:19 - Janick
Outro - Adrian


Stratego;

I've listened to this one a few times so won't spend too much time on it.  I loved it from the get go, great pace, great drive and just a cracking song.  Seems pretty stock standard Maiden for a Janick song, but that's fine.  That chorus melody I've heard before though from a different band but can't place it.  I love the 'I hear you calling my name" section, Bruce sounds great here.  A fine song and a great second track.

Solo - Janick


Writing on the Wall;

I only listened to this song a couple of times when it was released and wasn't impressed.  The acoustic guitar here on the intro though sounds really nice and when the riff kicks in, I can already tell it's going to work a lot better in context of the album.  I don't hear the country thing people talk of, it's more of a southern blues thing.  Although the main riff for the verses really makes me think 'Feel like Making Love.'  The pre chorus makes me think Turn the Page too from Bob Seger.

The chorus is catchy, immediately only hearing the song for the third time I know the melody and can sing along, that's a good song.  The climax to the chorus is really well written too.  This is nice, but I think Stratego should have been released first and then this, but that's a non issue now.  I gotta say, Dave's solo is crap here, really novice like I must say.  Adrian though is really tasteful and I appreciate the longer solo section however.


Solos;

3:43 - Dave
4:26 - Adrian
Outro licks - Janick


More to come, might pause for a minute.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 04:14:15 AM
Lost in A Lost World;

Wow, interesting intro.  Reminds me heavily of Behind Blue Eyes truthfully.  Could be on a British Lion album actually.  Damn, these lyrics are nice.  The 2 minute mark it bursts into some familiar typical Maiden riffing but this is what I like.  The verses are moody and fucking great.  Reminds me of heavily of the Man Who Would be King, but again, I don't mind.

Wow, that 'feel the spirits' part is bloody excellent.  Chorus seems a bit of a step back to the excellent verses but that melody (Where the Wild Wind Blows) kicks in and I'm smiling again.  Woah, that little part at 5 minutes between this Wild Wind section is fantastic.  I love the length of this part, that melody seems overplayed but it's not.  It turns into No More Lies at 6 minutes.  Some nice solos from Dave and Adrian here, a bit more creative again from both.  I love these melodies recurring here.  Not sure on the chorus on first listen though but apart from that, this is a great tune, like the lyrics too.  Nice outro, not sure which song it's ripped off here, but it's so similar.

Solos;

6:13 - Dave
6:33 - Adrian


Days of Future Past;

Pretty stock standard intro but when the riff kicks in, that's a little different.  I like the verses, great energy and Bruce sounds really good.  The chorus is decent, but I think a grower.  nice Adrian solo again.  The double time in the last chorus pricked my interest, nice touch there.  Not much to say about this one on first listen, needs time.

Solos - Adrian


The Time Machine;

Haha, you can tell who wrote this one by the intro.  Wow, when this gets going, this is really different.  I'm not sure what it reminds me of, but I like it.  The verses and chorus are really interesting.  3:08, oh fuck yeah, now we're talking.  This section is excellent.  Kind of even get an Amorphis vibe from the melodies at the 4 minute mark.

Turns into some DT at 4:30 for a second, nice.  I like the groove behind Dave and Janicks solos.  This song is some unique, refreshing Maiden, really interesting and well done.  You get images of past songs but in itself, it's fresh and surprising.  Nice DOD outro.

Solos

4:36 - Adrian
4:53 - Dave
5:07 - Janick


So far this is quite bloody good.  I can see where people are coming from in relation the melodies, but I think in time everything will stick.  Really impressed with the band stepping outside of the box so far here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 05, 2021, 04:22:25 AM
Wolfking - awesome stuff mate. Keep it coming. Loving your thoughts. Best review of the songs I have read so far anywhere!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 04:31:59 AM
Darkest Hour;

I listened to this once and running through it again, that intro which is pure Adrian, I didn't know what to expect, but holy shit this song is amazing.  It's obviously the Coming Home of the album, it really reminds me of that, but darker, and to me, probably more impressive.  Get a real Chemical Wedding vibe from this one to be honest, a real Gates of Urizen feel in the verses along with that Coming Home feel.

Bruce sounds amazing here and when it explodes into the chorus holy shit is this magic, what a fucking chorus!!!  I love it, good lord.  I love how the second verse is so short, the space between the choruses is very small and I think that's so effective.  Love that chromatic section in the chorus too, adds more tension.

The solos, holy shit Adrian!  I haven't heard this kind of solo from him since Chemical Wedding.  The phrasing, the note selections  Those 3 notes at 4:36!  FFUUCCK!  This is why I love this guy as a guitarist.  His pure feel, and you can hear those tones are from his fingers, fucking class.  How much Schenker is in this solo too!?  When Dave comes in I do get worried but he nails it too.  This is some great creative stuff from Dave that I haven't heard in a long time.  Check 5:16, so good.  He climaxes the solo perfectly.

Janick then adds really tasty fills in the last chorus too, I'm glad he wasn't left out and I was surprised he gets some ad lib at the end.  That Chorus though again is perfect, this song has blown me away.

Solos;

4:12 - Adrian
5:00 - Dave
Ad lib during last choruses - Janick
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 04:46:24 AM
Death of the Celts;

I've been looking forward to this trio of Harris songs truthfully.  I for one have always loved his songs and keeping that Maiden traditional sound and structure in check.

The intros are really quite different on this album to previous albums and this is no different.  The structure of the quiet intro are here but more open and creative.  I do love when it goes into that Clansman part though, I won't lie.

I haven't felt the X Factor comparisons all that much so far, but the verses here, I can definitely hear Blaze singing this song.  Simple chorus but I like this.  The heavy part around that 4 minute mark afterwards is crushing.

That section after Adrians solo gives a strong FTGGOG feel and the tension here is really building, this is excellent.  Damn, how about that Gary Moore section afterwards at 5:13!?  Good stuff.  This is giving me TRATB feels throughout this which is certainly no problem.  I'm loving these Harris long ass instrumental sections, too good.

There's nothing special about the solos in this one, but at times over the last few albums I've felt especially with Dave, he has been a little sloppy and out of time, Adrian too on The Book of Souls was below par, but everything here so far is on point, really cool.

That Clansman reprise section at 8:03 is epic, like really really epic, damn, and that key changed in the middle of that section is brilliant.  This song is rehashed to fuck, but regardless, it's a great, fun listen.


Solos;

4:18 - Adrian
6:53 - Janick
7:22 - Dave
7:35 - Adrian


Excuse me if I'm sounding like a total fanboy during these writeups, but I'm enjoying the fuck out of this.  I'm not sure we could have asked for anything more out of these guys for an album so late in their career.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 05:02:20 AM
The Parchment;

This intro is dark and can definitely hear the Blaze era here.  Great use of keyboards too adding to the atmosphere.  The verses again are pretty standard and really just getting the job done without being outstanding.  Appreciate the dark mood though but love a Janick solo coming in out of nowhere, that's fucking class.  That's pure FOTD era Janick.  Love the extended instrumental section straight after, unexpected but lovely. 

What I find interesting is that Janick solo gave off the feel that it was a passing solo between verses but the instrumental keeps going and then Dave comes in for an extended solo at the 5 minute mark.  God damn i'm in heaven.  Janick then comes back in again.  Check Dave's tasty licks at 5:24, that's brilliant, haven't heard that from him again for a long time. 

This keeps going too with Adrian chiming in.  These self indulgent instrumental breaks for me are just incredible, exactly what I wanted more of since TRATB.

The lyrics on this album seem like a real step up too, some class writing here with great imagery.  We get another Where the Wild Wind Blows reprise too in this last vocal section also.

9:52, WOOAAAH!!!! Oh this song is wonderful, absolutely incredible.  What an ending, I'm almost tearing up.  Love Janicks whammy bar intro to the solo and I don't care what anyone says, I love this guy and his very self indulgent style, it's beautiful.

What a wonderful song.


Solos;

3:!7 - Janick
5:01 - Dave
5:47 - Janick
6:12 - Adrian
10:29 - Janick
11:04 - Adrian
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 05:15:44 AM
Hell on Earth;

Up to the final song and this 80 minutes has flown by.  This intro is Fortunes of War but you know I don't care.  This is as Maiden as a Maiden intro can get.  I may be crazy but I also get Tool vibes in the change at 1:06, but its faint.  I love how this intro is over 2 minutes long. 

Oooh, a gallop.  Haven't heard a lot on this album but truthfully I haven't noticed, but this is most welcome.  Damn, that melody at 2:46 is just gorgeous, damn.  HA!  At 3:01 we get yet another reprise of Where the Wild Wind Blows, but again, this is gorgeous.  Although, this verse is laughably similar to Wild Wind haha.  Wow, this chorus is bloody amazing! 

That melody that re-enters after Adrians solo is a nice touch and very melodic. The structure of this song is really interesting yet so far everything feels in place.  Hmm...8:02 another Wild Wind reprise with that riff, not to mention Janicks solo.

This 'love in anger' section is interesting but once the guitar melodies come back in, I understand more what they have done here.  Interesting that they didn't bring that amazing chorus back in again, but I called it early the structure was different, and I can appreciate that.  This again is a great, very creative tune to close the album.


Solos;

Pre solo 5:46 - Janick
5:53 - Dave
6:09 - Adrian
8:22 - Janick


First initial thoughts is I'm stoked with this album.  The songwriting is top notch and applaud the band for jumping outside the box.  The solos too have picked up in quality from previous albums too and Bruce sounds great.  really looking foward to listening to this more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 05:17:19 AM
Wolfking - awesome stuff mate. Keep it coming. Loving your thoughts. Best review of the songs I have read so far anywhere!

Missed this before sorry mate.  Yeah, these are just initial reactions but I love doing stuff like this when listening through.  Will have more thoughts no doubt with more listens.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 05:17:38 AM
I have to listen to Darkest Hour again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 05, 2021, 05:26:36 AM
Awesome stuff Wolfking - some really great detail in those song reviews. I think overall we have very similar thoughts on the album and the songs. But even if we didn’t I would still appreciate you taking the time to provide such detailed analysis. Darkest Hour - what a song! Also really love The Parchment. Also agree that the soloing is top notch and some of the arrangements are less predictable overall than usual and some great lyrics!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 05:30:58 AM
Listening to the Parchment again now.  This instrumental section just keeps going, I fucking love it.  What a jam.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 05, 2021, 05:37:04 AM
Hell on Earth;

Wow, this chorus is bloody amazing! 


...and as I said, they use it ONCE.

I mean:

No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies
No more lies

A brave new world
In a brave new world
A brave new world
In a brave new world
A brave new world
In a brave new world

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life

Don't you think I'm a saviour
Don't you think I could save you
Don't you think I could save your life


All of this are ok, but they got that chorus for Hell on Earth and they use it only ONCE?  :facepalm: worst decision by Steve Harris since hiring Blaze.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 05, 2021, 05:37:51 AM
I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this album Wolfking, you got me stoked to really want to  delve into this release track by track.   :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 05:47:48 AM
All of this are ok, but they got that chorus for Hell on Earth and they use it only ONCE?  :facepalm: worst decision by Steve Harris since hiring Blaze.

I just listened to Hell on Earth again, and the first 7 minutes is fucking outstanding, just incredible.   I'm not sold yet on how it goes into the Wild Wind chugging riff into Jan's solo, but I do like this section from Bruce and it does make sense as I said it does make sense at 9:03 when the guitar melody comes back in.  This back end is taken too much from the Wild Wind structure but again, I'm happy they played around with the structures.  This song feels short as hell to be honest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 05:48:17 AM
I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this album Wolfking, you got me stoked to really want to  delve into this release track by track.   :tup

Thanks mate, I'm just happy people get a kick out of reading my random thoughts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2021, 05:52:26 AM
Kade, I have more to add in response, but outstanding job!
I'm busy all morning and day but I'll get back.

I told you that you would love Darkest Hour. ;D


I get a big Wasting Love vibe from it, especially in the chorus. This song is so much better than what they've tried to do recently (Out Of The Shadows, Man Of Sorrows, ..)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on September 05, 2021, 05:56:43 AM
Loving the new album. Forty years on and they can still do it.

I’ve always thought that Steve’s bass sound is the problem with the mix. It’s not holding down the bottom end at all and it unbalances things.

And the three guitars don’t help but on an album they don’t all have to be playing all the time. It’s hard enough to get two different guitars to sit right in the mix so three is even worse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 05:57:37 AM
Kade, I have more to add in response, but outstanding job!
I'm busy all morning and day but I'll get back.

I told you that you would love Darkest Hour. ;D


I get a big Wasting Love vibe from it, especially in the chorus. This song is so much better than what they've tried to do recently (Out Of The Shadows, Man Of Sorrows, ..)

Huh, yeah, I can hear what you mean with Wasting Love, good call.  Yeah, just an incredible song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 05, 2021, 06:13:49 AM
Those write-ups were a great read, @wolfking . Nice one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on September 05, 2021, 06:15:20 AM
I'm just surprised that Harris managed to come up with four, decent to outstanding epics for this album!

All four here are better than "The Red and the Black", which is one of the worst things Harris has ever written.

Here is how I would rank the epics now:

1. Hell on Earth
2. Lost in a Lost World
3. Death of the Celts
4. The Parchment

And, yeah! Great write-ups Wolf!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2021, 06:23:06 AM


All four here are better than "The Red and the Black", which is one of the worst things Harris has ever written.


That mid section is one of the best 5 minutes in their catalog..


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 05, 2021, 07:21:45 AM
Kade, I have more to add in response, but outstanding job!
I'm busy all morning and day but I'll get back.

I told you that you would love Darkest Hour. ;D


I get a big Wasting Love vibe from it, especially in the chorus. This song is so much better than what they've tried to do recently (Out Of The Shadows, Man Of Sorrows, ..)

Huh, yeah, I can hear what you mean with Wasting Love, good call.  Yeah, just an incredible song.

Fer me it's not The Man Of Sorrows from Book Of Souls but Man Of Sorrows from Bruce's 96 solo album Accident Of Birth that I get from Darkest Hour.  That and plenty Chemical Wedding vibes which is a great thing.

2c

Good read wolf Cheers
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jingle.boy on September 05, 2021, 07:24:08 AM
I actually don't think there's a huge circle jerk going on anyway. This album has definitely taken some heat here.

As I said, I hadn't been following the thread, but the last 2 pages are more praise than not, and the longest written reviews are extremely positive.  Seems most here are 'gaga' over.

Let's just enjoy it for what it is instead of being frustrated by what it isn't then.

Can't we be neither?

For me, IM is not a peripheral band, but not a Top-5 - they might land in my all-time top-10 (or just outside it).  I've really tried with the last 3 albums, but all of them have largely left me underwhelmed and limp.  Nothing stands out.  The writing and production is bland, the melodies are uneventful, and Bruce gets worse every album - some of the songs I heard yesterday weren't much above a spoken delivery..  If those three albums were released by a 6-pack of 50.60 year old guys in a band called Idle Machine, would anyone have taken notice?  I can't help but think a lot of the adulation is because it's Iron-fucking-Maiden.  It's like watching my elite sports athletes age and try to hang on to the thought they can still play at a top tier.  In hockey terms, I'd much rather watch Matthews/McDavid over Thornton/Chara.  That's what I feel when I listen to Maiden's recent releases ... old and tired.

Again, this is very likely a 'me' thing.  But I'd much rather listen to 'fresh' sounding music than trying to convince myself that this is something I'll grow to like/love.  And it's not just an IM thing - for me, DT is rapidly approaching this camp (if not already there).  I'm fine with bands doing 'by-the-numbers' releases (lots of my fave bands have been doing it for years - Ayreon, Avantasia, Pretty Maids, Vanden Plas).  Same old / same old music can still be good... I just don't find this to be good.  It's like drinking my favorite beverage that's been severely watered down.

It's funny, Kade said the 80 minutes flew by.  For me, it was a chore just to get thru the first "disc".

:dunno:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 05, 2021, 07:30:42 AM
Some of you may (or may not :lol) be interested to know that Iron Maiden is the next band for whom I am doing a deep dive.  A friend and I have been doing them with bands for about a year now (we do daily album reviews, pick favorite songs from albums, etc,; it is an excuse to talk music and break up the work days a bit), and we are still in the midst of Styx, but I suggested we do Maiden next.  They are his favorite band, and I have always struggled to get into them, so I thought maybe a deep dive where I listen to each album in order might do the trick.  Should be interesting.  Will likely start in a couple weeks once we finish up Styx.  So yeah, I likely will be posting thoughts on them in this thread as we move along, good and bad. :P :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 05, 2021, 08:08:45 AM
Don't think i've heard Maiden open with a slow track like Senjutsu before, that will work really well live I think. I can already see moody light and fog being used!  :tup

3:08 in The Time Machine is just pure Maiden!  :heart

4:15-4:33 Hmm is that celtic drums or something in the background, don't think that's Nicko or maybe he's using gongdrums...interesting.

Darkest Hour;

I listened to this once and running through it again, that intro which is pure Adrian, I didn't know what to expect, but holy shit this song is amazing.  It's obviously the Coming Home of the album, it really reminds me of that, but darker, and to me, probably more impressive.  Get a real Chemical Wedding vibe from this one to be honest, a real Gates of Urizen feel in the verses along with that Coming Home feel.
I kinda felt that with alot of the songs. Not complaining though.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 05, 2021, 09:37:56 AM

All four here are better than "The Red and the Black", which is one of the worst things Harris has ever written.


Oh god, yes. I hate that song.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 05, 2021, 10:13:20 AM
Book Of Souls is my least favorite out of the reunion era, also with the worst Eddie. I've only heard Senjutsu once and like it better allready.
This leads my to ask,, which is your favorite incarnation of Eddie on the post 2000 albums? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2021, 10:16:09 AM
Some of you may (or may not :lol) be interested to know that Iron Maiden is the next band for whom I am doing a deep dive.  A friend and I have been doing them with bands for about a year now (we do daily album reviews, pick favorite songs from albums, etc,; it is an excuse to talk music and break up the work days a bit), and we are still in the midst of Styx, but I suggested we do Maiden next.  They are his favorite band, and I have always struggled to get into them, so I thought maybe a deep dive where I listen to each album in order might do the trick.  Should be interesting.  Will likely start in a couple weeks once we finish up Styx.  So yeah, I likely will be posting thoughts on them in this thread as we move along, good and bad. :P :P

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Luoto on September 05, 2021, 10:18:34 AM
Writing on the Wall is a catchy tune and Hell on Earth is alright, but other than that Senjutsu a snoozefest that could use cutting off maybe 20 minutes of it's total runtime. Quality wise it's not much different from the two albums Bruce didn't sing on.

I'm just surprised that Harris managed to come up with four, decent to outstanding epics for this album!

All four here are better than "The Red and the Black", which is one of the worst things Harris has ever written.

TRATB is a mess structurally, but at least it has some good melodies on it. Almost anything over 8 minutes on this album is plain unmemorable to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2021, 10:22:38 AM
Yeah, I'm not feeling this album much. Nothing here grabs my interest really. It's not bad, but not mindblowing either.

Although I'm not a big fan of the reunion era, I still keep coming back to the 80s stuff as my favourite albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 05, 2021, 10:37:42 AM
Yeah, I'm not feeling this album much. Nothing here grabs my interest really. It's not bad, but not mindblowing either.

Although I'm not a big fan of the reunion era, I still keep coming back to the 80s stuff as my favourite albums.

Growing up on early Maiden I never compare era’s as bands age and their own tastes and writing influences change as well. I do agree nothing compares to the early stuff but when I listen to new stuff I go in with an open mind and if it grabs me for what it is that’s great and if it doesn’t, oh well. I do like Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 05, 2021, 10:57:46 AM
Second spin. I can confirm my initial opinions more or less. Senjutsu is great but would have benefitted from the pace picking up halfway through the song. Time Machine felt better the second time around. Darkest Hour is great. Death of the Celts is as useless as funny, great song. Parchment is interesting, a lot to digest. Hell on Earth would have been a standout track of the reunion era if it would have ended with the chorus repeated again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 05, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this album Wolfking, you got me stoked to really want to  delve into this release track by track.   :tup

Thanks mate, I'm just happy people get a kick out of reading my random thoughts.

Count me in that list!! Your enthusiasm is contagious and I enjoy reading your impressions in general (whether it's of Frequency Unknown or Senjutsu!).

Also, thanks WardySI for the kind words on my post!

I'm glad to see so many people mentioning the 03:09 part in Time Machine, that melody honestly knocked my socks off.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 05, 2021, 11:38:39 AM
I'm another listen in and I'm loving it. There IS a lot of stuff we've heard before. Of course, there is. That's expected. But it feels like care and attention has been made in the performances and songwriting. There's a really good energy and a beefy sound. It's everything that Book Of Souls wasn't, for me. And I'm not trying to slate that album. I know it's really highly regarded by lots but it feels very different to me.

Its early days but I think this will end up my joint favourite reunion album with DOD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 05, 2021, 11:53:42 AM
wolfking, amazing job!  :) :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 05, 2021, 02:59:57 PM
Bigger streaming royalties for 2 discs? I sure hope that wasn’t the motive for stretching the songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 03:00:21 PM
Cheers all, glad you enjoyed my reaction posts and solo credits.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 03:00:50 PM


All four here are better than "The Red and the Black", which is one of the worst things Harris has ever written.


That mid section is one of the best 5 minutes in their catalog..

Agree with Tim here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 05, 2021, 03:02:05 PM
Some of you may (or may not :lol) be interested to know that Iron Maiden is the next band for whom I am doing a deep dive.  A friend and I have been doing them with bands for about a year now (we do daily album reviews, pick favorite songs from albums, etc,; it is an excuse to talk music and break up the work days a bit), and we are still in the midst of Styx, but I suggested we do Maiden next.  They are his favorite band, and I have always struggled to get into them, so I thought maybe a deep dive where I listen to each album in order might do the trick.  Should be interesting.  Will likely start in a couple weeks once we finish up Styx.  So yeah, I likely will be posting thoughts on them in this thread as we move along, good and bad. :P :P

Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 05, 2021, 06:07:46 PM
Bigger streaming royalties for 2 discs? I sure hope that wasn’t the motive for stretching the songs.

I don't know how it is on other streaming services, but on Spotify, this is not a thing. Artists aren't paid by play time, but by play count, & a song counts as being played after 30 seconds regardless of how long the song actually is. The band would be more insentivised to write lots of short songs (or break their long songs into small parts) than writing a few long ones.

I think they reason why they didn't edit the album to be under 80 minutes is just because they didn't care.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2021, 06:11:53 PM
If anything, isn't making a double CD more expensive?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2021, 07:12:47 PM
Second spin in the car today, this album is absolutely outstanding.  Up to the Parchment so looking forward to these last 2 songs on the way home tonight.

Song that jumped out on this second listen was Lost in A Lost World.  That one is brilliant.  Harris has knocked it out of the park on this one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 06, 2021, 02:24:28 AM
Kudos to wolfking for his detailed reviews that got me worked up to spinning the album again today.  ;D

Also, KevSchmev, go for it and let us know if Maiden finally clicks.  :tup I remember being a new DTF member, bumping into your thread of top 50 bands that was going on at the time and being shocked that Maiden isn't on it. I was an 18-year-old that had no idea there were metalheads that didn't have Maiden in their top 50.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 04:53:44 AM
Thanks MIaden.

The Parchment is amazing.  I absolutely love that Steve threw everything we've ever known about basic song structures on the last 3 tunes.  Complete freeform, long instrumentals and sections never really repeating.  I find this incredible songwriting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on September 06, 2021, 05:59:06 AM
I like the album but don't love it two sessions in, thus far it is less appealing to me than the past couple of Maiden releases.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 06, 2021, 06:14:13 AM


Also, KevSchmev, go for it and let us know if Maiden finally clicks.  :tup I remember being a new DTF member, bumping into your thread of top 50 bands that was going on at the time and being shocked that Maiden isn't on it. I was an 18-year-old that had no idea there were metalheads that didn't have Maiden in their top 50.  :lol

Well, to be fair, I do not consider myself a metalhead.  I like some metal, but have always thought of myself as more of a rocker than a metalhead.  I cannot remember that exact top 50, but I suspect there were only a handful of bands or so that would be considered metal (or a subgenre of metal) - Priest, Sabbath, DT, Opeth, Devin Townsend.  I guess Queensryche, too, since many consider them metal.

That aside, I am looking forward to it.  Probably will get this going in two weeks.  :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Art on September 06, 2021, 06:46:27 AM
Wolfking posts rule! :metal

I really like Senjutsu, to me it is cut from the same cloth as XF, (the best parts of)VXI and AMOLAD, i love when Maiden goes "dark".

I'm a big Reunion era IM fan, anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 06, 2021, 07:00:47 AM
Really digging The Time Machine,  very fresh sounding.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 06, 2021, 12:43:39 PM
Really digging The Time Machine,  very fresh sounding.   :metal

Totally. Great track. Lyrics make me think of Doctor Who. And I don't care how many times Janick recycles his 1812 Overture lick, it's fucking killer.

And to echo everyone's sentiment. Fucking fantastic posts from wolfking. Made me realize how much varied soloing is going on in this record. I wanted more songs where all three axemen take solos. This record certainly delivers on that front!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 01:06:24 PM
The Time Machine is not one that's been immediate to me, but I gave it a good listen and I think I know why. The song proper is pretty good, but I actually find the (Talisman sounding) intro and outro both unnecessary and distracting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 06, 2021, 02:01:29 PM
What is your favorite intro?

Mine is Lost in a Lost World. Mesmerizing. A 70s vibe.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
What is your favorite intro?

Mine is Lost in a Lost World. Mesmerizing. A 70s vibe.

Definitely. That was one of my first impressions last week..
It's loaded with vocal hooks. Listening to the beginning of Lost In A Lost World..That's one! Real old 70's (Nektar?) vibe to it.

LIALW has a great intro, and a great outro as well.  That outro gives me goosebumps. That's a great song, and one of my favorites on the album. I find the transition to the chorus abrupt, but that's a small thing.


Speaking of that intro, is it me, or does it sound like Steve Harris singing for a second?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 06, 2021, 02:12:09 PM
What is your favorite intro?

Mine is Lost in a Lost World. Mesmerizing. A 70s vibe.

Definitely. That was one of my first impressions last week..
It's loaded with vocal hooks. Listening to the beginning of Lost In A Lost World..That's one! Real old 70's (Nektar?) vibe to it.

LIALW has a great intro, and a great outro as well.  That outro gives me goosebumps. That's a great song, and one of my favorites on the album. I find the transition to the chorus abrupt, but that's a small thing.


Speaking of that intro, is it me, or does it sound like Steve Harris singing for a second?

Yes, it does.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 06, 2021, 02:23:11 PM

Definitely. That was one of my first impressions last week..
It's loaded with vocal hooks. Listening to the beginning of Lost In A Lost World..That's one! Real old 70's (Nektar?) vibe to it.

:tup


LIALW has a great intro, and a great outro as well.  That outro gives me goosebumps. That's a great song, and one of my favorites on the album. I find the transition to the chorus abrupt, but that's a small thing.


It's amazing.  Beautiful melody.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 03:00:28 PM
Wolfking posts rule! :metal

I really like Senjutsu, to me it is cut from the same cloth as XF, (the best parts of)VXI and AMOLAD, i love when Maiden goes "dark".

I'm a big Reunion era IM fan, anyway.

Really digging The Time Machine,  very fresh sounding.   :metal

Totally. Great track. Lyrics make me think of Doctor Who. And I don't care how many times Janick recycles his 1812 Overture lick, it's fucking killer.

And to echo everyone's sentiment. Fucking fantastic posts from wolfking. Made me realize how much varied soloing is going on in this record. I wanted more songs where all three axemen take solos. This record certainly delivers on that front!

Cheers lads.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 03:01:36 PM
What is your favorite intro?

Mine is Lost in a Lost World. Mesmerizing. A 70s vibe.

Thought immediately that this intro is what Bruce was talking about with the Moody Blues reference
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 06, 2021, 04:30:26 PM

LIALW has a great intro, and a great outro as well.  That outro gives me goosebumps. That's a great song, and one of my favorites on the album. I find the transition to the chorus abrupt, but that's a small thing.


Speaking of that intro, is it me, or does it sound like Steve Harris singing for a second?

Boy, I wonder if he's part of the "oooah" voices in the intro.

I honestly love it when he does harmonies with Bruce in Paschendale -- I think that only happened live and not in studio, which is why I tend to listen to the Death on the Road version more often.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 04:36:20 PM
What is your favorite intro?

Mine is Lost in a Lost World. Mesmerizing. A 70s vibe.

Thought immediately that this intro is what Bruce was talking about with the Moody Blues reference

Did he say that?...then yes!




I honestly love it when he does harmonies with Bruce in Paschendale -- I think that only happened live and not in studio, which is why I tend to listen to the Death on the Road version more often.


Death On The Road is my favorite Maiden live album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 06, 2021, 04:50:37 PM
I think Senjutsu has become my second favorite reunion album after Dance of Death. Great album that gets better with every listen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 05:04:37 PM
Yeah Tim, those short studio vids, the one with Bruce he was saying how there was some different stuff on here and referenced the Moody Blues.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
I think Senjutsu has become my second favorite reunion album after Dance of Death. Great album that gets better with every listen.

Yeah, I'm not jumping ahead of myself yet but this has me really excited.  It could rank up there.  Hopefully the novelty doesn't wear off quickly like it did for me with TBOS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoFred on September 06, 2021, 07:28:01 PM

Definitely. That was one of my first impressions last week..
It's loaded with vocal hooks. Listening to the beginning of Lost In A Lost World..That's one! Real old 70's (Nektar?) vibe to it.

:tup


LIALW has a great intro, and a great outro as well.  That outro gives me goosebumps. That's a great song, and one of my favorites on the album. I find the transition to the chorus abrupt, but that's a small thing.


It's amazing.  Beautiful melody.

Tighten up Senjutsu, drop intro to the Time Machine, and have Darkest Hour swap spots with Lost in a lost World… that’s a pretty good classic length and flow album for the first 8 songs.

Then close out with the 3 epics as they are. From my first listens, Hell on Earth is something special
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 07:40:01 PM
Darkest Hour;

The solos, holy shit Adrian!  I haven't heard this kind of solo from him since Chemical Wedding.  The phrasing, the note selections  Those 3 notes at 4:36!  FFUUCCK!  This is why I love this guy as a guitarist.  His pure feel, and you can hear those tones are from his fingers, fucking class. How much Schenker is in this solo too!? 

Not enough! :lol

I hear it. :tup
Adrian had mentioned Michael Schenker a number of times as a main influence.

After a ridiculously busy weekend, I'm actually listening with you comments on one tab, and the lyrics on another.

This is a great album. I definitely have a pecking order of tracks. The lyrics, especially Steve's are fantastic. And Bruce's lyrics on The Darkest Hour are incredible.


Lots of talk on the solos but all three of them showed up for duty here. You know, as long as I've been a Maiden fan, I have never looked at their solos and compared them to guitar hero solos. Kind of like Schenker, they've always done what's right for the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
"Feel the spirits of the old ones standing proud upon their race
And the testament to ancestors ~ that are never to retrace
Burn the flame of innocence ~ as they ride into the sun
Thinking now of our forefathers that are lying dead upon
Holy ground and sacred earth now
Revisit stolen youth"


 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 07:54:33 PM
Triple Post!

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread how bad Bruce sounded. Honestly, and I'm a lifelong Maiden fan, but I feel like the last 3 albums contain some of Bruce's best work.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 07:59:06 PM
Combo breaker.

Appreciate you listening along with my thoughts Tim.  That means a lot.

I've never really compared the 3 amigos either in terms of guitar heroes either Tim, but Adrians tone and phrasing on this solo does remind me a bit of Schenker.

Also, I think Bruce sounds great on this one too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 08:00:59 PM
Lost in A Lost World is quickly climbing the rankings too.  That's a wonderful song and could be my fav middle instrumental section.  Those tempo shifts from Nicko backwards and forwards is outstanding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 08:03:57 PM
Those tempo shifts from Nicko backwards and forwards is outstanding.

Yeah, there feels like some time signature changes..kind of.

So far my 3 faves are:
Hell On Earth
Lost In A Lost World
The Darkest Hour
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on September 06, 2021, 08:06:54 PM
Yeah I too love Bruce's voice on this record. I think he sings according to the song's needs. Like the ending to Lost in a Lost World, total goosebumps at that end tag.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
Those tempo shifts from Nicko backwards and forwards is outstanding.

Yeah, there feels like some time signature changes..kind of.

So far my 3 faves are:
Hell On Earth
Lost In A Lost World
The Darkest Hour

Swap Hell on Earth with The Parchment and that's my top 3 currently.  Hell on Earth is probably 4th.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 08:10:28 PM
The Parchment has taken me a few listens. Not because I had doubts, but it's just so fucking massive to comprehend.


The Parchment is probably 4th. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 08:22:26 PM
Haha, I'm absolutely loving these song structures though.  This album is all class.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2021, 08:23:49 PM
Haha, I'm absolutely loving these song structures though. 

They should've just called this album Steve Harris' Cock.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 06, 2021, 09:03:49 PM
Haha, I'm absolutely loving these song structures though. 

They should've just called this album Steve Harris' Cock.

I'd be all over that.  Ummmmmm........wait....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 07, 2021, 12:57:53 AM
Those tempo shifts from Nicko backwards and forwards is outstanding.

Yeah, there feels like some time signature changes..kind of.

So far my 3 faves are:
Hell On Earth
Lost In A Lost World
The Darkest Hour
Add Stratego to the list and you have my top four.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 07, 2021, 01:04:42 AM
Lost in a Lost World is growing on me.

I'm still not over how Hell on Earth doesn't end with the chorus coming back again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 07, 2021, 01:37:24 AM
Just got through my first listen and all I can say is wow, this is so good.
The songs everything, but the sound is amazing KS has done a great job capturing the modern Maiden sound.
More to follow...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on September 07, 2021, 02:07:43 AM
This album feels like the inverse of Book of Souls.  On that album I really loved the longer tracks and felt they were the strongest songs on the album (Eternity, Red & Black, Book of Souls and Empire of the Clouds).  On Senjutsu the 4 long epics are decent but none of them are great (IMO) however it's the shorter tracks that are standing out for me much more.

I think Final Frontier remains me favorite reunion album and Matter of Life and Death the weakest - the other 4 are on a similar level.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 07, 2021, 03:01:13 AM
For those praising Lost In A Lost World, what do you think of Look For The Truth? The two songs sound very similar to me, yet I find that the latter tends to be overlooked.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 07, 2021, 03:27:41 AM
I love The X Factor, but Look for the truth is a lesser favorite of mine on it. As good as it is, it pales slightly in comparison to Fortunes of war, The Edge of darkness and Blood on the world's hands. I do agree that Lost in a lost world is similar, but it's also more interesting structurally and melodically.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 07, 2021, 04:26:38 AM
This album feels like the inverse of Book of Souls.  On that album I really loved the longer tracks and felt they were the strongest songs on the album (Eternity, Red & Black, Book of Souls and Empire of the Clouds).  On Senjutsu the 4 long epics are decent but none of them are great (IMO) however it's the shorter tracks that are standing out for me much more.

I think Final Frontier remains me favorite reunion album and Matter of Life and Death the weakest - the other 4 are on a similar level.

Final Frontier had The Alchemist that, to me, slays Days of Future Past, which is good anyway.

Book of Souls also had Death or Glory, that was insanely catchy (cliiiimb like a monkeeeeey  :biggrin:) and also that gem of Tears of a Clown, very unusual for them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2021, 05:09:44 AM
Can't say I hear the similarities between Lost World and Look for the Truth, truthfully.

I agree with MIaden that's it's probably a lesser track but I do agree it's overlooked.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 07, 2021, 05:17:21 AM
Some thoughts on Senjutsu from Nico (Licks Of the Beast)
https://youtu.be/UOHgqTgSEs4
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on September 07, 2021, 06:56:56 AM
Maiden in an album chart battle in the UK for the number one spot against Drake.   Maiden leading in the midweeks due to higher physical and download sales - but Drake starting to catch up via streaming.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 07, 2021, 07:00:32 AM
Haha, I'm absolutely loving these song structures though. 

They should've just called this album Steve Harris' Cock.

Long and complicated?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 07, 2021, 07:06:21 AM
Triple Post!

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread how bad Bruce sounded. Honestly, and I'm a lifelong Maiden fan, but I feel like the last 3 albums contain some of Bruce's best work.

It shouldn't surprise you Tim, but after two listens to the first disk (I haven't gotten to the second one yet) I'm really not hearing a lot of the complaints in this thread.

It sounded good (I listened in my car).   Bruce sounds great (though his voice DOES have a slightly different timbre to it).   The songs don't seem repetitious at all.     The melodies are really good.   The solos are really on point (more than just a 45-second wank).   I don't know where it places in the pantheon yet, but suffice to say, this is a solid Maiden record, and exactly why I listen to them after 40 years, and why I will absolutely be seeing them again on tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 07, 2021, 07:22:58 AM
For those praising Lost In A Lost World, what do you think of Look For The Truth? The two songs sound very similar to me, yet I find that the latter tends to be overlooked.

Yep also hear it too but hearing quite a lot of XFactor and probably good reason why am loving the new record so much!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: romdrums on September 07, 2021, 07:51:33 AM
My quick review; another solid reunion era Maiden album.  But, I can't think of another album where the keyboards are so unnecessary to an album, and they are played so poorly.  Wish someone would've had the stones to say no to 'arry.  That aside, I think Nicko's drumming is great, and the guitar solos, particularly those of Adrian and Janick, are inspired.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 07, 2021, 08:15:53 AM
Right. I am happy to eat humble pie.

While I stick by my comment that the album sounds like rubbish on even semi-decent speakers, the music is excellent. It's easily their best album since Brave New World for me. Sure, I wish they'd stop mirroring the vocals, the keyboards are awful and the production risible but dammit, those melodies! Ear worms abound after a few listens. And those solos! Marvellous stuff.

I'd like to praise the vinyl: the package itself is magnificent; beautifully put together when so many bands half-arse it. And I think it sounds a bit better than the CD, too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 07, 2021, 08:57:30 AM
Nicko sounds really tight on this one, I've been noticing. Really brought the goods.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 07, 2021, 10:40:36 AM
My quick review; another solid reunion era Maiden album.  But, I can't think of another album where the keyboards are so unnecessary to an album, and they are played so poorly.  Wish someone would've had the stones to say no to 'arry.  That aside, I think Nicko's drumming is great, and the guitar solos, particularly those of Adrian and Janick, are inspired.   :metal

I completely disagree, for me the keyboards definitely add to the sound, give that little extra zap of magic that enhances the songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 07, 2021, 10:45:15 AM
I don't really have a problem with the synths.  They were a bit more audible than other albums, but it seems they weren't that different in usage though.  I think some of it just comes back to the production on this album which is pretty bad. 

One thing I noticed listening in my car for the first time today was how good Steve Harris sounds, and then I realized he's the only instrument that actually sounds good.  That can't be coincidence  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 07, 2021, 11:52:32 AM
For those praising Lost In A Lost World, what do you think of Look For The Truth? The two songs sound very similar to me, yet I find that the latter tends to be overlooked.

One of my favorites in The X Factor! I do see the connection between them, which is super cool to me. In a way, the way the verse rhythm works is kind of reminiscent of The Fugitive too (not too blatantly, just the way the groove works).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 07, 2021, 12:05:17 PM
I'm digging The Parchment and Hell on Earth a lot more now, although a lot in those two songs should have ended up on the cutting room floor. I would get rid completely of a few songs on this album, and TO ME it would make it a better release. I'm not too crazy about Lost in a Lost World and Death of the Celts - we already have Fortunes of War and The Clansman, why having two more songs with the same effect? And I would get rid of the bass intro of Hell on Earth, kicking off the song with the fast riff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on September 07, 2021, 01:33:03 PM
Glad so many are loving this album. Unfortunately I am really struggling to connect with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on September 07, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
It’s really annoying when just about every power metal bands albums sound better than Maiden’s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2021, 03:50:48 PM
I have no issue with the keyboards either, they add a nice atmosphere, no complaints there.

I still can't get over the Parchment.  I mentioned it earlier but the songwriting where Bruce only sings a few verses for a minute and Janick comes in with a nice eastern style solo you totally get the impression his solo is a passing section between verses, for then it to subtlety goes into a 4+ minute instrumental section.  Just astounding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on September 07, 2021, 05:01:05 PM
I also have no issue with the keyboards - they add some atmosphere and are really pretty non-intrusive to me.

The Parchment is my fav song closely followed by Darkest Hour. After that I really love most of the songs pretty equally. I have been listening to the album non-stop since Friday.

Will be interesting to see how this ages. I initially loved The Book of Souls but now, I really don't do back to it too much compared to other older albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 07, 2021, 05:14:37 PM
Finally finished this thing up. They definitely went back to the X-Factor well on this thing. Steve forgot how to write a Steve chorus for once.

As for the keyboards, in my opinion, I think those accents would have worked a lot better had they been done by a string ensemble instead of Steve's Casio with the 80's patch on it. Since it was more atmospheric and he was just holding keys down for extended periods, just get some strings in there instead. It would've sounded better.

Otherwise, this is Bruce's X-Factor. Not an album of the year or anything, but an enjoyable album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 07, 2021, 05:30:53 PM
It’s really annoying when just about every power metal bands albums sound better than Maiden’s.

Are you taking the piss?
99.9% power metal albums sound terrible, poor flat mix, brick walled and no dynamics.
Senjutsu is awesome, for an audio nerd it's 'music to my ears' being able to hear all the instruments crystal clear and it can be cranked loud.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 07, 2021, 08:12:20 PM
I've recently come upon a few isolated tracks (and backing mixes, i.e. "all instruments except guitar/drums/bass/vocals") and tried my hand at playing the guitars in Rime of the Ancient Mariner with a free amp sim setup (mostly as instructed by this gentleman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faPlSBbUPMM though I used the Ignite Emissary and NadIR vsts instead of the Poulin versions).

I'm surprised at how far technology has come -- never thought I'd whip out something this decent with such a short turnaround time and little gear (took me about fifteen minutes to cook this up). There's a few hiccups and I messed up one of the lower harmony parts, but it still got me excited enough to share with you guys.

https://vocaroo.com/159o6zqVg3Xl
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Post by: Cool Chris on September 07, 2021, 09:19:50 PM
Whoever mentioned Target had a special version with a lenticular cover, thanks for the tip! Finally picked this up today. Have only heard the first two singles. Been waiting to dive in to this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 08, 2021, 01:25:26 AM
It’s really annoying when just about every power metal bands albums sound better than Maiden’s.


Senjutsu is awesome, for an audio nerd it's 'music to my ears' being able to hear all the instruments crystal clear and it can be cranked loud.
I finally obtained the physical copy of the album with the two cd's.  I listened to some of it right away and I could tell in a few seconds that it sounded way wayyyyy better than listening to it online. I even listened to both versions on the same stereo. 
The production sounds great to me, nothing wrong at all and sounds crystal clear. This album is really meant to be played loud. I feel the songs Senjutsu, and TWOTW have allready become Maiden classics.   :metal
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 08, 2021, 02:20:46 AM
Lost in a Lost World is a big grower.

As others have said, it's impressive how they went full "anything goes" when it comes to song structures. Heck, some of these songs have more weird and unusual structures than many DT songs, which followed the formula verse / chorus / verse / chorus / random 5 minutes solo section / chorus.

Take Death of the Celts, it's the usual song, then after a short "chorus" after a load of verses come a looooong instrumental section. As mentioned above, The Parchment is even more WTF - a couple of verses and then.... solos after solos after solos.

And for those still interested: nope, not yet over Hell on Earth and how it ends with a whimper rather than a bang  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 08, 2021, 04:24:44 AM
Whoever mentioned Target had a special version with a lenticular cover, thanks for the tip! Finally picked this up today. Have only heard the first two singles. Been waiting to dive in to this.

What is this lenticular cover? That's the one their PR sent me, but I'm still in Rio, and the album is in Toronto.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2021, 05:24:24 AM
Not sure if it's been mentioned but anyone else a bit miffed that they only used the chorus to Hell on Earth once in the whole song?! Outrageous!  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2021, 06:20:16 AM
I just checked a random unboxing video of the box set version.  Looks a complete waste of time and money for the price.  No thanks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 08, 2021, 06:29:57 AM
I just checked a random unboxing video of the box set version.  Looks a complete waste of time and money for the price.  No thanks.

The actual box is quite nice. The contents are bobbins. A fool (me) and his money are easily parted :lol

The DT boxset seems to contain similar amounts of tat although not yet made a decision on that. But I know what I'll end up doing :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 08, 2021, 07:41:52 AM
@nobloodyname (haha, I always thought your nick said nobodyname)

Have you had a chance to watch the documentary?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 08, 2021, 07:43:19 AM
First, thanks Wolfking, for the write-ups.   I finally listened to the second disk last night - twice, as a matter of fact, while in the car - and I restate my observation:  I'm not personally experiencing any of the complaints so far.  The record sounds pretty good in my car, the keyboards are far more prominent, but I don't hear them as poorly played (and I trust Romdrums' opinion on this stuff!), Bruce sounds amazing, if not like the Bruce from 1985, the writing is tight, if you can call a 12 minute song "tight", and the choruses are memorable.   For the Harris songs, his writing is eminently recognizable, yet there's almost always at least one time per album when there's that harmony melody and I go "wait, isn't that the same melody from Mother Russia/Alexander The Great/One of his other songs?   I'm not sure there was even one time on this album where I had that thought.

Whether it's "their best" or not, I don't know.  Whether it's the "album of the year" or not, I don't know.   But I've been a Maiden fan since 1982, and I like all phases of their career, and at this point, this is the exact album I would hope for from them.  They are certainly NOT phoning it in at this point or scrambling to reacquire some past glory (I'm looking at you, Scorpions and even Kiss), nor are they trying to be something they are not (hi, Dee!  Good to see you, Motley!) or staying past their prime (as much as I love you, David Lee, it might be time!)

This album gives me pleasure, makes me want to listen again, and makes me want to see these songs live.  $20 well spent, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 08, 2021, 07:47:40 AM
@nobloodyname (haha, I always thought your nick said nobodyname)

Have you had a chance to watch the documentary?

Heh! One of those things I wish I could change now, to be honest.

I haven't watched the documentary because I think it's a making-of solely about the video for The Writing on the Wall. I'm kind of embarrassed to admit I've no real interest in watching it since the video just doesn't interest me that much. If it'd been a making of for the whole album... I'd have been all over it by now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 08, 2021, 07:52:48 AM
@nobloodyname (haha, I always thought your nick said nobodyname)

Have you had a chance to watch the documentary?

Heh! One of those things I wish I could change now, to be honest.

I haven't watched the documentary because I think it's a making of, solely about the video for The Writing on the Wall. I'm kind of embarrassed to admit I've no real interest in watching it since the video just doesn't interest me that much. If it'd been a making of for the whole album... I'd have been all over it by now.

Ah, thanks. I thought it was a making of the whole album. Sucks that they didn't include more footage of the writing/recording sessions. Or even interviews with the band members...lost opportunity I guess.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gborland on September 08, 2021, 08:29:14 AM
Bring back Martin Birch.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 08, 2021, 08:30:52 AM
Bring back Martin Birch.

From the dead?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 08, 2021, 08:30:56 AM
From the dead then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gborland on September 08, 2021, 08:40:07 AM
Bring back Martin Birch.

From the dead?

Yes please.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on September 08, 2021, 09:32:41 AM
I haven't listened to anything but this new album for the past week.  It has the potential to be my second favorite of the reunion albums (nothing will ever beat Brave New World - that one means so much to be, being the first new record with Bruce and Adrian, kicking off the reunion, as well as the period of time in my life when it came out).

But this new album just sounds so great and so fresh to me and I'm completely obsessed with so many of the songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: romdrums on September 08, 2021, 01:29:01 PM
I haven't listened to anything but this new album for the past week.  It has the potential to be my second favorite of the reunion albums (nothing will ever beat Brave New World - that one means so much to be, being the first new record with Bruce and Adrian, kicking off the reunion, as well as the period of time in my life when it came out).

But this new album just sounds so great and so fresh to me and I'm completely obsessed with so many of the songs.

I'm really digging it as well.  I think they found a good balance between standard Maiden fare ( :smiley:) and finding some new things to add to the overall sound.  I'm not sure where I'd rank it yet, but, overall, I'm enjoying it quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 08, 2021, 01:44:20 PM
There's a new video up for Stratego. Much as I love em, I'm not sure who they think these cartoons are appealing to. I have nothing against cartoons, btw, but these are a bit mystifying to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 08, 2021, 01:55:15 PM
There's a new video up for Stratego. Much as I love em, I'm not sure who they think these cartoons are appealing to. I have nothing against cartoons, btw, but these are a bit mystifying to me.

I LOVED the WotW one.

I think it’s kind of a cool way to make a really cool music video without a huge budget.

It certainly beats the crap out of those cheesy lyric videos. Glad those died a quick death.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
I enjoyed TWotW as well, haven't seen Stratego to comment, but I get that the animations are due to the band not getting together during the pandemic to film a proper video.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 08, 2021, 02:10:46 PM
There's a new video up for Stratego. Much as I love em, I'm not sure who they think these cartoons are appealing to. I have nothing against cartoons, btw, but these are a bit mystifying to me.

I LOVED the WotW one.

I think it’s kind of a cool way to make a really cool music video without a huge budget.

It certainly beats the crap out of those cheesy lyric videos.
Glad those died a quick death.

Oo, yes. They suck too!  :lol I'm a bit of a grumpy old-ish man when it comes to videos. A decent performance video can be ok but usually also horrid. Anneke Van G's recent ones were nice, I thought.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2021, 02:21:53 PM
Music videos these days are so hit or miss these days. I don't really have any issue with lyric videos but I don't like when the lyric videos are for the singles instead of a proper single music video.  I think bands should make lyric videos for all their songs that don't get official well done videos.  I say that because when the band doesn't do it, someone else usually does and those are usually of poor quality, but sometimes I like to read along the lyrics so I will watch anyway.  I say this as someone who has made unofficial lyric videos before  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 08, 2021, 02:41:40 PM
I don't have the slightest interest in watching an Eddie cartoon music video. I'd rather just see the band playing.

Speaking of which..no band pics in the CD booklet?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 08, 2021, 03:45:48 PM
No pics, no promo video's of them altogether, we all know why  :yarr
BTW you can legally download the entire CD booklet from IM official site.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2021, 04:03:36 PM
I don't have the slightest interest in watching an Eddie cartoon music video. I'd rather just see the band playing.

Speaking of which..no band pics in the CD booklet?

No pics at all.  Im kind of glad I just got the regular cheapest edition.  I have no interest in any other version.  Not worth the money, even though it's Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2021, 04:33:27 PM
I don't have the slightest interest in watching an Eddie cartoon music video. I'd rather just see the band playing.

Speaking of which..no band pics in the CD booklet?

No pics at all.  Im kind of glad I just got the regular cheapest edition.  I have no interest in any other version.  Not worth the money, even though it's Maiden.

I bought the CD just because it's my favorite band. I'm going to leave it sealed though. It came late so I listened through other means.  But as gazin stated, I think we all know why there are no band pics or promotion.  It's expected but kind of does suck that this ends up being another albiet small negative of covid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2021, 08:51:41 PM
Jesus, another listen down and the melodies in the whole first seven minutes of Hell on Earth are just extrodinary.
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Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 08, 2021, 08:59:31 PM
Got some more listening in today. That stretch of solos in Darkest Hour has to be the longest stretch of tasteful soloing I have ever heard in a Maiden tune. I mean, Adrian always brings the tasteful, but that was sublime.

That along with Lost In A Lost World are my leading tracks right now. I need to revisit the 'Arry Trilogy as they didn't wow me the first go around. This one seems to be a bit of a grower for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2021, 09:33:35 PM
Got some more listening in today. That stretch of solos in Darkest Hour has to be the longest stretch of tasteful soloing I have ever heard in a Maiden tune. I mean, Adrian always brings the tasteful, but that was sublime.

That along with Lost In A Lost World are my leading tracks right now. I need to revisit the 'Arry Trilogy as they didn't wow me the first go around. This one seems to be a bit of a grower for me.

It really is.  Im still blown away by these solos.  Dave delivered the goods too thankfully but Adrian knocked it out of the fucking park.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 03:32:00 AM
Jesus, another listen down and the melodies in the whole first seven minutes of Hell on Earth are just extrodinary.

It’s beautiful, really.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 05:54:47 AM
Jesus, another listen down and the melodies in the whole first seven minutes of Hell on Earth are just extrodinary.

It’s beautiful, really.

Yeah, 100%.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 09, 2021, 06:00:30 AM
But does anyone else find themselves start singing SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON at times during Hell On Earth? 

And don't get me wrong it's a great thing but yes, fantastic track with just a slight slight nod back to that sublime 88 album, sensational stuff :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 06:16:58 AM
But does anyone else find themselves start singing SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON at times during Hell On Earth? 

And don't get me wrong it's a great thing but yes, fantastic track with just a slight slight nod back to that sublime 88 album, sensational stuff :metal

Can't say I do.  What section?
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Post by: WardySI on September 09, 2021, 06:29:11 AM
All of it  :D

But seriously, particularly during the songs final few minutes (before the softer finale) I was waiting for it to collide into that Seventh Son chorus!

Maybe just me then but hear a similarity and that's how good it is! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on September 09, 2021, 06:45:26 AM
I don't have the slightest interest in watching an Eddie cartoon music video. I'd rather just see the band playing.

Speaking of which..no band pics in the CD booklet?

No pics at all.  Im kind of glad I just got the regular cheapest edition.  I have no interest in any other version.  Not worth the money, even though it's Maiden.

I bought the CD just because it's my favorite band. I'm going to leave it sealed though. It came late so I listened through other means.  But as gazin stated, I think we all know why there are no band pics or promotion.  It's expected but kind of does suck that this ends up being another albiet small negative of covid.

Not sure if the lack of a band photo in the cd, assuming that’s correct, has anything to do with covid.  I’m sure I’ve seen promo pics of them for the album.  I do think though, at a certain point, maybe the look of the band becomes so uncool, it is a actually a negative to put photos or performance videos out.  DT are fast approaching that too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 09, 2021, 06:47:12 AM
I don't know if it was alread posted here, but a brazilian site listed who made which solo on Senjutsu. It seems correct to my ears: https://www.wikimetal.com.br/iron-maiden-guitarristas-solos-senjutsu/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Peter Mc on September 09, 2021, 07:46:34 AM
Our own Wolfking did that for us a few pages back.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 09, 2021, 07:54:56 AM
I feel Dance Of Death in the first quick middle riff in The Time Machine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 02:23:20 PM
I don't know if it was alread posted here, but a brazilian site listed who made which solo on Senjutsu. It seems correct to my ears: https://www.wikimetal.com.br/iron-maiden-guitarristas-solos-senjutsu/

Yeah mate, I listed them with my first listening reactions a few pages back.

I find it odd that they listed the melody at 9:00 on Hell on Earth. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 02:32:26 PM
I feel Dance Of Death in the first quick middle riff in The Time Machine.

A little, but I think it's more Book of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: PixelDream on September 09, 2021, 03:04:26 PM
Still can’t figure out what people like about Iron Maiden. It’s always the same galopping riff, dual cheesy guitar leads and a singer with so much vibrato I’m not even sure he even hit the intended note.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 09, 2021, 03:15:41 PM
Unfair. On the last six albums, it's trial cheesy guitar leads.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 09, 2021, 03:18:19 PM
Still can’t figure out what people like about Iron Maiden. It’s always the same galopping riff, dual cheesy guitar leads and a singer with so much vibrato I’m not even sure he even hit the intended note.

Galopping riffs, dual cheesy guitar leads and the singer's vibrato.

And Eddie.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 03:22:06 PM
Still can’t figure out what people like about Iron Maiden. It’s always the same galopping riff, dual cheesy guitar leads and a singer with so much vibrato I’m not even sure he even hit the intended note.

I think you're outnumbered when you look at how many people are fans.

Best band in the world.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 03:23:17 PM
Still can’t figure out what people like about Iron Maiden. It’s always the same galopping riff, dual cheesy guitar leads and a singer with so much vibrato I’m not even sure he even hit the intended note.

So what's the question? :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 03:28:40 PM
Still can’t figure out what people like about Iron Maiden. It’s always the same galopping riff, dual cheesy guitar leads and a singer with so much vibrato I’m not even sure he even hit the intended note.

So what's the question? :lol

He wants to know how to like them so he can be awesome like us.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 09, 2021, 03:42:22 PM
Finally had time to get in my first listen.

Guys...

This is a triumph. It's everything I could have wanted from an Iron Maiden album and then some more on top of that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 03:43:54 PM
Finally had time to get in my first listen.

Guys...

This is a triumph. It's everything I could have wanted from an Iron Maiden album and then some more on top of that.

Geez, don't hold back, man!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2021, 04:06:48 PM
Finally had time to get in my first listen.

Guys...

This is a triumph. It's everything I could have wanted from an Iron Maiden album and then some more on top of that.

Geez, don't hold back, man!

 :lol

I'm still digesting, but yeah, this album kicks ass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 04:07:10 PM
Finally had time to get in my first listen.

Guys...

This is a triumph. It's everything I could have wanted from an Iron Maiden album and then some more on top of that.

Give it a few more listens, I'm sure it will grow on you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 09, 2021, 04:15:20 PM
:lol

I mean, yeah, granted it could settle in differently. But they went all-in on the side of their sound I like best (reminder: TFF is my favorite Maiden album) and advanced in some ways on what they'd done previously in that style, and I really enjoyed the result. I think I also have a record of usually not having big reactions, either positive or negative, on first listen, so when I like something this much right away, it means something.

Also, whoever decided to record the sound of The Writing on the Wall playing on an iPod Touch speaker from across the room and upload that to YouTube instead of the real audio owes the band an apology. That song comes across so much better on the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 04:33:47 PM
Nah, seriously, I think I'm with you.  This album is very promising so far.  I haven't felt the urge to take it out of the car but I know I should to try and avoid overpaying it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 04:35:48 PM
(reminder: TFF is my favorite Maiden album)

While I acknowledge that AMOLAD is the definitive Reunion Era album, yeah, I personally like TFF just a little more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 04:38:39 PM
Lately, I'd easily take TFF over AMOLAD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on September 09, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
Enjoying the reviews here. Very happy with Senjutsu, I like it more than TBOS right off the bat, jury is still out on where it places but it’s top five potential at the very least. Steve wrote some of his best melodies and each guitarist wrote some of their best solos.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 04:50:19 PM
Enjoying the reviews here. Very happy with Senjutsu, I like it more than TBOS right off the bat, jury is still out on where it places but it’s top five potential at the very least. Steve wrote some of his best melodies and each guitarist wrote some of their best solos.  :metal

Jeesh, Mosh, don't be a stranger.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 07:21:46 PM
The more I listen, the more I'm starting to think that, Lost World, Darkest Hour, Parchment and Hell on Earth could all be up there with as good as anything that the band have ever done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 07:27:58 PM
The more I listen, the more I'm starting to think that, Lost World, Darkest Hour, Parchment and Hell on Earth could all be up there with as good as anything that the band have ever done.

Yeah, those are the Top 4. I am really digging The Parchment.

I love how in The Parchment after Bruce's vocal climax (which is amazing unto itself), but then the song takes on a whole new instrumental life of its own. The part that starts at 11:23 is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 07:37:33 PM
The more I listen, the more I'm starting to think that, Lost World, Darkest Hour, Parchment and Hell on Earth could all be up there with as good as anything that the band have ever done.

Yeah, those are the Top 4. I am really digging The Parchment.

I love how in The Parchment after Bruce's vocal climax (which is amazing unto itself), but then the song takes on a whole new instrumental life of its own. The part that starts at 11:23 is fantastic.

Parchment is growing on you like Hell on Earth is growing on me haha.

That section you mentioned where things kick up a gear is just mindblowing.  After the whole middle section, it kicks off and then more soloing from Adrian and Janick for some reason feels refreshing.  Dunno how after all the soloing but it just works.  The whole structure and songwriting of this one is just incredible, can't quite get over how Steve has constructed this one. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
This is some of Steve's finest work.  Similar to The X Factor.

(my beef with TXF is that it just feels unfinished.., not that it's not awesome, it just could've been awesomer!)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 07:49:46 PM
I'm kind of getting the X Factor vibes, but not really as much as some people are saying.  maybe I'm missing something though, as you know I'm pretty bias towards TXF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 07:56:35 PM
To me, it's the total Harris effect. I've often referred to TXF as a Steve Harris solo album. His presence is so blatant on the album.

Like on TFF, King is Dave, Avalon is Adrian, Talisman is Jan, and only Wind is Steve. With Steve owning all of the epics here, it really does remind me of TXF.  Not so much this part reminds me of that part. But Harris' influence on both albums is especially strong.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2021, 08:04:08 PM
The other thing that is different about The Parchment are the vocal sections. There's only two of them. No chorus, no prechorus, just the first half and the second half. And Bruce is amazing in both sections. His pacing is tremendous.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
To me, it's the total Harris effect. I've often referred to TXF as a Steve Harris solo album. His presence is so blatant on the album.

Like on TFF, King is Dave, Avalon is Adrian, Talisman is Jan, and only Wind is Steve. With Steve owning all of the epics here, it really does remind me of TXF.  Not so much this part reminds me of that part. But Harris' influence on both albums is especially strong.

That's true, I never thought about it from that aspect mate, you're right.  The songwriting over the last few has been quite spread over the guys a bit more evenly giving things a different feel.  A lot more Harris so that makes total sense. 

The other thing that is different about The Parchment are the vocal sections. There's only two of them. No chorus, no prechorus, just the first half and the second half. And Bruce is amazing in both sections. His pacing is tremendous.

I sound like a broken record but yeah, 1 minute of verses then over 4 minutes of instrumental.  Another vocal section then more solos.  As  you say, no chorus or pre chorus, it's amazing.  It's like Steve has read all the criticism about the repetitive chorus and gave us a big 'fuck you' with these 4 tracks.  He knocked it out of the park at the same time.  Outstanding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 09, 2021, 09:29:51 PM
To me, it's the total Harris effect. I've often referred to TXF as a Steve Harris solo album. His presence is so blatant on the album.

Like on TFF, King is Dave, Avalon is Adrian, Talisman is Jan, and only Wind is Steve. With Steve owning all of the epics here, it really does remind me of TXF.  Not so much this part reminds me of that part. But Harris' influence on both albums is especially strong.

That's true, I never thought about it from that aspect mate, you're right.  The songwriting over the last few has been quite spread over the guys a bit more evenly giving things a different feel.  A lot more Harris so that makes total sense. 

The other thing that is different about The Parchment are the vocal sections. There's only two of them. No chorus, no prechorus, just the first half and the second half. And Bruce is amazing in both sections. His pacing is tremendous.

I sound like a broken record but yeah, 1 minute of verses then over 4 minutes of instrumental.  Another vocal section then more solos.  As  you say, no chorus or pre chorus, it's amazing.  It's like Steve has read all the criticism about the repetitive chorus and gave us a big 'fuck you' with these 4 tracks.  He knocked it out of the park at the same time.  Outstanding.

And following on from this, I'm not missing that second chorus in Hell On Earth like some others here are.  While appreciate the complaint, think it makes it's point and is all the stronger for it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 09, 2021, 09:35:40 PM
This is my 4th new Maiden release upon me becoming a fan. My initial reaction to those 4 albums upon my first listen are ranked as:

AMoLaD


TBoS/Senjutsu disc 1
Senjutsu disc 2




TFF

I have a hunch after a couple more listens, disc 2 will resonate with me more, and could possibly vault this to my #2 reunion era album. Though outside of TFF, which is at the bottom, there is little separation between the other 5.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 09, 2021, 10:54:32 PM
I've not been able to stop listening to it. It just utterly brilliant.

9.5/10 with the half point removed for a couple of the intros, guitar doubled vocals, the Bontempi keyboard, the mastering and the production.

That's how good this album is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on September 09, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Enjoying the reviews here. Very happy with Senjutsu, I like it more than TBOS right off the bat, jury is still out on where it places but it’s top five potential at the very least. Steve wrote some of his best melodies and each guitarist wrote some of their best solos.  :metal

Jeesh, Mosh, don't be a stranger.
This forum can be tough to keep up with! I read it pretty regularly (mostly the PR section actually) but I suppose I tend to be a lurker. I thought I would update my discography thread when LOTB ended but now we’re in a weird place where the tour is still ongoing but there’s an official live release from it AND now a new album.

I get a ton of X Factor vibes, particularly Lost in a Lost World, but maybe that goes to show how much influence Steve had on that album (and Virtual) compared to the reunion albums. I remember thinking that both The Red and the Black and When the Wild Wind Blows were reminiscent of the Blaze era, and those were the only solo Steve contributions. That side has always been there, but never as pronounced as on the Blaze albums until now.

One thing with TXF that Senjutsu improves upon is the presence of Bruce and Adrian as writers. They only have three songs, but those three songs really do a lot to help pace the album and bring in more variety.  Janick has also blossomed as a writer since then and he has some great contributions. TXF really misses stuff like Stratego, Days of Future Past, and even Writing on the Wall.

But man, those last three Harris epics are something else. Any one of them is a contender for the best thing Steve has done, and they’re all so different from each other. My favorite right now is Death of the Celts, but the other two are incredible. Also earlier in the album, but I love Lost in a Lost World.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on September 09, 2021, 11:12:50 PM
Accidental double post
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2021, 11:18:02 PM
To me, it's the total Harris effect. I've often referred to TXF as a Steve Harris solo album. His presence is so blatant on the album.

Like on TFF, King is Dave, Avalon is Adrian, Talisman is Jan, and only Wind is Steve. With Steve owning all of the epics here, it really does remind me of TXF.  Not so much this part reminds me of that part. But Harris' influence on both albums is especially strong.

That's true, I never thought about it from that aspect mate, you're right.  The songwriting over the last few has been quite spread over the guys a bit more evenly giving things a different feel.  A lot more Harris so that makes total sense. 

The other thing that is different about The Parchment are the vocal sections. There's only two of them. No chorus, no prechorus, just the first half and the second half. And Bruce is amazing in both sections. His pacing is tremendous.

I sound like a broken record but yeah, 1 minute of verses then over 4 minutes of instrumental.  Another vocal section then more solos.  As  you say, no chorus or pre chorus, it's amazing.  It's like Steve has read all the criticism about the repetitive chorus and gave us a big 'fuck you' with these 4 tracks.  He knocked it out of the park at the same time.  Outstanding.

And following on from this, I'm not missing that second chorus in Hell On Earth like some others here are.  While appreciate the complaint, think it makes it's point and is all the stronger for it!

I thought that exact same thing listening to it on the way to work today.  I love how this one is structured too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 10, 2021, 12:20:11 AM
I take back what I said about Death Of The Celts after my first listen. Great track.

Bruce sounds mighty on this record. That "love in anger part". The chorus of The Time Machine. Gives me tingles.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 10, 2021, 01:19:49 AM
The grower of the day is Parchment. That song is absolutely insane, a couple of verses and then an endless lines of solos because why not, and then some more solos at the energetic end, but it's quite catchy in its verses and ends bombastic.

Hell on Earth, has it has been said, is chock full of nice melodies. Maybe the intro is a bit too long, but once the song starts and goes on until after the solos, it's brilliance after brilliance. And yes, they should have reprised that goddamn chorus at the end.

I'm also warming up to Time Machine a bit. Days of Future Past is great but it's no Alchemist (very underrated track) or Death or Glory.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 10, 2021, 01:48:56 AM
The Alchemist is one of my favourites and Death Or Glory is one of the few great tracks on TBOS, imo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 10, 2021, 04:06:42 AM
The Alchemist is one of my favourites and Death Or Glory is one of the few great tracks on TBOS, imo.
I agree.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2021, 04:44:18 AM
The grower of the day is Parchment. That song is absolutely insane, a couple of verses and then an endless lines of solos because why not, and then some more solos at the energetic end, but it's quite catchy in its verses and ends bombastic.

Hell on Earth, has it has been said, is chock full of nice melodies. Maybe the intro is a bit too long, but once the song starts and goes on until after the solos, it's brilliance after brilliance. And yes, they should have reprised that goddamn chorus at the end.

I'm also warming up to Time Machine a bit. Days of Future Past is great but it's no Alchemist (very underrated track) or Death or Glory.

Exactly, why the fuck not.  I love it, can't get enough.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 10, 2021, 06:37:29 AM
Almost the same riff, used towards the end of a long song:


At 08:54 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le2i7s_BGI4


And at 09:53 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt8uqyirQvM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 10, 2021, 06:39:14 AM
It's great to have this album to tie us over before the new Dream Theater album comes out.  I think it is wise for DT managment/record company to wait until late October to release AVFTTOTW. That way the buzz from the new Maiden album can calm down enough to where the focus can shift..   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: the_silent_man on September 10, 2021, 06:54:24 AM
It's great to have this album to tie us over before the new Dream Theater album comes out.  I think it is wise for DT managment/record company to wait until late October to release AVFTTOTW. That way the buzz from the new Maiden album can calm down enough to where the focus can shift..   :lol

Must admit, this did cross my mind as to a reason why it is being released in late Oct as opposed to late Sep, as it appears it would have been all ready go for this month.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 10, 2021, 07:12:07 AM
I've not been able to stop listening to it. It just utterly brilliant.

9.5/10 with the half point removed for a couple of the intros, guitar doubled vocals, the Bontempi keyboard, the mastering and the production.

That's how good this album is.

Fair assessment. I can't stop listening to it either. I play something else, and the Maiden urge keeps creeping in until I go back and play the album. I'm in the camp that thinks this is the 2nd best reunion era album behind BNW.

Highlights for me are:
-Writing on the Wall - Absolutely LOVE the Smith solo. I keep humming it all day long.
-Days of the Future Past - Just love the pace and energy this song has. Lyrics and melodies are very memorable. I hope Maiden plays this track live. My favorite track from this album.
-Time Machine - After the first few minutes, it becomes a legendary Maiden track.
-Hell on Earth - Probably my 2nd favorite track off the album. Love everything about this one. Would have loved for the initial chorus to be brought back later in the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on September 10, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
So reading the above post made me realize that I never downloaded Days of Future Past from Amazon. I've been listening to an incomplete album all week!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 10, 2021, 07:48:56 AM
I've been listening to an incomplete album all week!

That's genuinely brilliant :biggrin:

goo-goo, I'm in that camp, too. Second best after Brave New World for me. It could tie with it one day, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 10, 2021, 07:50:59 AM
So reading the above post made me realize that I never downloaded Days of Future Past from Amazon. I've been listening to an incomplete album all week!

 :lol :lol :rollin :rollin

I hope you love the track as much as I do.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 10, 2021, 08:00:52 AM
Our own Wolfking did that for us a few pages back.

I didn't see that. Now I've read all the review by Wolfking, really great! This album surely deserves it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2021, 08:11:42 AM


Bruce sounds mighty on this record. That "love in anger part". The chorus of The Time Machine. Gives me tingles.

I'm with you on that.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 10, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
So reading the above post made me realize that I never downloaded Days of Future Past from Amazon. I've been listening to an incomplete album all week!

Now that really is a bonus track.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 10, 2021, 11:01:10 AM
This is just so randomly stupid, it made me laugh heartily...

(https://i.redd.it/knucmapnnnm71.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on September 10, 2021, 01:08:00 PM
Late to the party.

I had my first listen today and really enjoyed the entire album. My favorite by far is Darkest Hour! Easily, the best soloing I've ever heard on an Iron Maiden album, ever. So many new, original, unique licks, and phrasings. Love it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2021, 03:17:26 PM
Late to the party.

I had my first listen today and really enjoyed the entire album. My favorite by far is Darkest Hour! Easily, the best soloing I've ever heard on an Iron Maiden album, ever. So many new, original, unique licks, and phrasings. Love it!

Hell yeah Gregg, each time I spin the album, I have to rewind this solo section 3 or 4 times.  Haven't heard this kind of soloing from Adrian since Chemical Wedding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 10, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
Senjutsu is so good, I can't remember that last time I enjoyed an IM album so much, or played it so many times in the first week of release.
Easily the best of the 'reunion' albums and top 5 in my all time Maiden albums, possibly even top THREE  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 10, 2021, 06:44:21 PM
Hmmm post-reunion albums but always subject to change...

Brave New World
Senjutsu
A Matter Of Life AD
Book Of Souls
The Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 10, 2021, 06:45:34 PM
Hmmm post-reunion albums but always subject to change...

Brave New World
Senjutsu
A Matter Of Life AD
Book Of Souls
The Final Frontier

You're missing one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2021, 06:53:05 PM
Just picked it up today and had my first listen on my commute home.

My first impression is that I love it a lot more than Book of Souls. BOS, he’s a pretty darn good album, with some incredible highlights, but it also had a couple of clunkers. I thoroughly enjoyed everything on Senjutsu on my first pass.

The first thing that leapt out of me was that after all 82 minutes there was not one single chorus that made me feel like I wanted them to get it over with.  That’s the first time that’s happened on a Maiden album in a very long time
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 10, 2021, 06:59:42 PM
Hmmm post-reunion albums but always subject to change...

Brave New World
Senjutsu
A Matter Of Life AD
Book Of Souls
The Final Frontier

I really liked Dance of Dance personally.

You're missing one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 10, 2021, 07:16:21 PM
Hmmm post-reunion albums but always subject to change...

Brave New World
Senjutsu
A Matter Of Life AD
Book Of Souls
The Final Frontier

You're missing one.

Oops LOL

Brave New World
Senjutsu
A Matter Of Life AD
Book Of Souls
Dance Of Death
The Final Frontier

Dance Of Death however continues to grow all these years later so it and BOS probably equal here and tbh wouldn't at all be surprised see them switching places down the track ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 10, 2021, 07:24:38 PM
Late to the party.

I had my first listen today and really enjoyed the entire album. My favorite by far is Darkest Hour! Easily, the best soloing I've ever heard on an Iron Maiden album, ever. So many new, original, unique licks, and phrasings. Love it!

Hey noob. My name is TAC. Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Hell on Earth in 4th is testing my current top 3 and putting up a challenge.  Could be my fav today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2021, 08:08:30 PM
Adding to my earlier first impression, the only song that even gave me the mild impression of being “Maiden by the numbers” aka “omg they’ve done this a zillion times” was The Time Machine. Everything else seemed to have some very refreshing new takes on the Maiden sound.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 10, 2021, 08:18:49 PM
Adding to my earlier first impression, the only song that even gave me the mild impression of being “Maiden by the numbers” aka “omg they’ve done this a zillion times” was The Time Machine. Everything else seemed to have some very refreshing new takes on the Maiden sound.

The Time Machine is the one song where I would say..drop the intro and the outro.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2021, 08:22:24 PM
Adding to my earlier first impression, the only song that even gave me the mild impression of being “Maiden by the numbers” aka “omg they’ve done this a zillion times” was The Time Machine. Everything else seemed to have some very refreshing new takes on the Maiden sound.

The Time Machine is the one song where I would say..drop the intro and the outro.

Right? Then it would have fit on one disc! Just that one little tweak!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 10, 2021, 08:24:43 PM
Yeah the intro/outro of The Time Machine sounds too much like the intro of The Legacy/The Talisman/The Book of Souls. Janick really loves that intro. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 10, 2021, 08:27:57 PM
It hits the same note as The Talisman. I just find the intro detached from the song and unnecessary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2021, 08:47:44 PM
I'm still quite undecided on where the Time Machine sits rankings wise.  I can see what Tim is saying but for the bulk of the song, I appreciate the unique mood for Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 10, 2021, 10:14:45 PM
Hell on Earth in 4th is testing my current top 3 and putting up a challenge.  Could be my fav today.

Hadn't thought if ranking the songs for a while, Top3 ATM would probably be...

Lost In A Lost World
Stratego
Hell On Earth

With at least 3 others in contention  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 10, 2021, 10:33:05 PM
Counterpoint: I friggin love the intro/outro to Time Machine and I think it finally perfects what The Talisman and Legacy aimed at. To me, it just sounds that much somber – and the fact that there's a clean electric guitar along with the acoustic is also a deal breaker for me.

I know I may be in the minority with this one  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 10, 2021, 10:59:23 PM
Hmmm post-reunion albums but always subject to change...

Brave New World
Senjutsu
A Matter Of Life AD
Book Of Souls
Dance Of Death
The Final Frontier

For me:
1. Brave New World
2. The Book Of Souls
3. The Final Frontier
4. A Matter Of Life & Death
5. Dance Of Death
6. Senjutsu
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2021, 11:16:36 PM
It’s early yet, so all of this is subject to change, but

1. AMOLAD
2. Senjutsu
3. TFF
4. DOD
5. BOS
6. BNW
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 10, 2021, 11:26:19 PM
Very early ranking adjustment.

1. A Matter Of Life & Death

Senjutsu could go here after more listens

2. The Book Of Souls
But could also join the logjam here.
3. Dance Of Death
4. Brave New World



5. The Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2021, 12:12:50 AM
Hmmmm.....too early to rank I think, but Senjutsu will be up there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 11, 2021, 01:23:32 AM
1. DOD / Senjutsu
2. AMOLAD
3. TFF
4. BNW
5. TBOS
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 11, 2021, 03:23:47 AM
For me.
 1. DOD
 2. SENJUTSU
 3. BNW
 4. TFF
 5. AMOLAD
 6. TBOS

This could change in time as Senjutsu is putting up a good argument with DOD right now.. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Freeze on September 11, 2021, 04:25:59 AM
1.SENJUTSU
2.BNW
3.AMOLAD
4.TBOS
5.DOD
6.TFF
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on September 11, 2021, 05:35:54 AM
Subject to change..

1. Brave New World
2. A Matter of Life and Death
3. Dance of Death
4. Senjutsu
5. The Final Frontier


6. The Book of Souls
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 11, 2021, 06:27:48 AM
DOD
AMOLAD
BOS
BMW
TFF
SENJUTSU
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on September 11, 2021, 07:07:32 AM
1. The Book of Souls

2. A Matter of Life and Death

3. Senjutsu
4. Dance of Death
5. Brave New World


6. The Final Frontier

Still too early for me to confidently place Senjutsu. It may grow on me more and move up to #2, or the newness effect may wear off slightly and it could drop to #4 or #5. I can definitely say it's way better than TFF and not as good as TBOS though.

Very good album though, I really like all the songs. Whereas TBOS actually still has a couple I don't care for that much, but its highs are far greater for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2021, 01:40:39 PM
Adrian Smith of IRON MAIDEN in a jam session (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5G-Y8HsPSE&ab_channel=BruceaCappella)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 11, 2021, 02:41:22 PM
1. Dance of Death
2. Senjutsu
3. Brave New World
4. The Book of Souls
5. The Final Frontier
6. AMOLAD
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2021, 03:13:26 PM
1. The Final Frontier
2. A Matter Of Life And Death
3. Dance Of Death
4. Brave New World
5. The Book Of Souls

Thinking about where to put it is really tough. I think it could reach at least 3rd place when all is said and done. There's some really great songs on this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2021, 03:52:08 PM
Current ranking without Senjutsu;

1. TFF
2. BNW
3. AMOLAD
4. DOD
5. TBOS

TFF has only recently taken the top spot.  I'm surprised how well it's aged for me.  I still can't say where Senjutsu would rank.  It could get 2nd or 3rd though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2021, 03:59:30 PM
I have officially added Stratego and Days Of Future Past to my Iron Maiden 5 Minutes To Midnight playlist.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
I have officially added Stratego and Days Of Future Past to my Iron Maiden 5 Minutes To Midnight playlist.

Sub 5 minute songs I'm guessing?

This is a cool idea, I'd like to see what Is come up with if limiting to 10 or 12 songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
I have officially added Stratego and Days Of Future Past to my Iron Maiden 5 Minutes To Midnight playlist.

Sub 5 minute songs I'm guessing?

This is a cool idea, I'd like to see what Is come up with if limiting to 10 or 12 songs.

Yes. If it's 5 and change, that's fine too.

It's only songs with Bruce, and there's only 28 tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 11, 2021, 04:11:29 PM

Sub 5 minute songs I'm guessing?

This is a cool idea, I'd like to see what Is come up with if limiting to 10 or 12 songs.

Yes. If it's 5 and change, that's fine too.

It's only songs with Bruce, and there's only 28 tracks.

That is indeed a very cool idea. Is it only Bruce on purpose, or it just so happens no DiAnno songs make it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2021, 04:15:06 PM

Sub 5 minute songs I'm guessing?

This is a cool idea, I'd like to see what Is come up with if limiting to 10 or 12 songs.

Yes. If it's 5 and change, that's fine too.

It's only songs with Bruce, and there's only 28 tracks.

That is indeed a very cool idea. Is it only Bruce on purpose, or it just so happens no DiAnno songs make it?

It's just Studio Bruce. I didn't want a playlist that would alternate between Bruce, Paul, and Blaze.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2021, 05:08:28 PM
I'll have a crack at that tonight.  I think I'll go sub 5 though personally.  I might aim for a single CD, 80 minutes max.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2021, 05:12:53 PM
I'll have a crack at that tonight.  I think I'll go sub 5 though personally.  I might aim for a single CD, 80 minutes max.

9 of the 28 are 5:00 and change with Stratego being 5:00 even.

The 9 you'd lose are:

Back In The Village
Moonchild
The Prophecy
Fear Is The Key
Montesegur
The Pilgrim
Mother Of Mercy
Coming Home
Speed Of Light
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2021, 05:18:09 PM
Moonchild, Fear is the Key and Montsegur are big losses actually.

Stratego I'll allow if I choose to use it, we'll see.

Speaking of Fear is the Key, I never did understand the hate.  Great song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2021, 05:25:13 PM
I love Fear Is The Key. Love it. Always have since Day 1. It has a really cool arrangement, and Bruce pays homage to Ian Gillan. Great track with outstanding and poignant lyrics.

Actually, the Fear Of The Dark album has a ton of great lyrics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 11, 2021, 07:30:27 PM
Those complaining that they could have shaved it down to a single CD, I think it's quite deliberate by the band.
I am guessing that it's all part of the listening experience of having a two disc set.
I for one love the intro's and outro's and that it's split into 2 sides, similar to the vinyl days before CD's came along.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2021, 07:32:11 PM

I for one love the intro's and outro's and that it's split into 2 sides, similar to the vinyl days before CD's came along.

Interesting thought.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 11, 2021, 07:37:58 PM
Moonchild, Fear is the Key and Montsegur are big losses actually.

Stratego I'll allow if I choose to use it, we'll see.

Speaking of Fear is the Key, I never did understand the hate.  Great song.

Montsegur! Now there's a fine song I must drag out again asap.  Of all the Post-reunion albums Dance Of Death is the Darkhorse that's fer sure \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 11, 2021, 07:44:27 PM
This is just so randomly stupid, it made me laugh heartily...

(https://i.redd.it/knucmapnnnm71.jpg)

Their faces fit the roles perfectly...Nicko does look like that happy Tuba player.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 11, 2021, 08:08:43 PM
Listening to Stratego again right now. More of a canter than a gallop. Very stately and powerful. Still too soon to tell but...this may be my favorite reunion era record. I usually have to skip some tracks. Here, I don't want to skip anything!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 11, 2021, 09:02:25 PM
Those complaining that they could have shaved it down to a single CD, I think it's quite deliberate by the band.
I am guessing that it's all part of the listening experience of having a two disc set.
I for one love the intro's and outro's and that it's split into 2 sides, similar to the vinyl days before CD's came along.

Thanks for bringing this up. I for one really dig the "two-sided" experience to this, and think that The Time Machine works as an excellent closer for Act I, juist as Hell on Earth does for Act II, so to speak.

The apparent rationale reminds me of when Helloween did Keeper of the Seven Keys: The Legacy – both CDs add up to 77 minutes, which as far as I know is within the range for a single CD. Presentation counts!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 12, 2021, 01:08:14 AM
AMOLAD
Senjutsu
DOD
BNW
TBOS
TFF

I graded each song (0-10) and averaged the albums. I was surprised by Senjutsu's position.  :omg:

Listening to the record I didn't realize that it would be above DOD and BNW.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2021, 03:47:36 AM
I kind of just realised for the first time that there is only one song on NPFTD that's over 5 minutes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2021, 04:29:02 AM
Iron Maiden - Under 5 Minutes to Midnight

1. Aces High
2. Stratego
3. No Prayer for the Dying
4. Public Enema Number One
5. Invaders
6. The Alchemist
7. The Trooper
8. Childhood's End
9. Purgatory
10. The Evil That Men Do
11. Justice of the Peace
12. Fates Warning
13. Be Quick or Be Dead
14. Rainmaker
15. Children of the Damned
16. The Fallen Angel
17. Judgement Day
18. Judas Be My Guide
19. Run Silent Run Deep

Running Time: 78:02
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 12, 2021, 05:06:36 AM
Those complaining that they could have shaved it down to a single CD, I think it's quite deliberate by the band.
I am guessing that it's all part of the listening experience of having a two disc set.
I for one love the intro's and outro's and that it's split into 2 sides, similar to the vinyl days before CD's came along.

Thanks for bringing this up. I for one really dig the "two-sided" experience to this, and think that The Time Machine works as an excellent closer for Act I, juist as Hell on Earth does for Act II, so to speak.

I think Darkest Hour would've worked better as a side-closer, personally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 12, 2021, 05:42:20 AM
Those complaining that they could have shaved it down to a single CD, I think it's quite deliberate by the band.
I am guessing that it's all part of the listening experience of having a two disc set.
I for one love the intro's and outro's and that it's split into 2 sides, similar to the vinyl days before CD's came along.

Thanks for bringing this up. I for one really dig the "two-sided" experience to this, and think that The Time Machine works as an excellent closer for Act I, juist as Hell on Earth does for Act II, so to speak.

I think Darkest Hour would've worked better as a side-closer, personally.
Agreed! 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 12, 2021, 07:11:19 AM
I kind of just realised for the first time that there is only one song on NPFTD that's over 5 minutes.

Kade, I think you just hit on No Prayer's main problem.

The short songs on No Prayer are actually really good. Excellent, even.
No Prayer For The Dying (2021 Steve would've added 7 extra minutes turned this into a 12 minute masterpiece)
Run Silent Run Deep
Public Enema Number One
Fates Warning

But the "epic", Mother Russia, is really weak. As is the opener, Tailgunner. These are spots that Maiden is generally pretty strong at.

But these lesser "supporting" tracks are as strong as an other album's.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on September 12, 2021, 07:42:39 AM
I always thought Tailgunner was a pretty great opener. It’s basically an alternate Aces High but it’s fast and energetic. I think Mother Russia could’ve been extended a bit more. I love the song but it just comes and goes too quickly. RSRD is the real masterpiece of this album…I wish this song would’ve gotten more attention and been played live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 12, 2021, 07:55:46 AM
Iron Maiden always had great album openers up until that point. I always thought Tailgunner was such a let down. I actually love its intro.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on September 12, 2021, 11:27:23 AM
I've forced myself to listen 3 times now and I'm still not connecting with this album. Not sure which guitarist is doubling the vocals but the tone on many songs kind of grates on my ears. As of now, this one is at the bottom of the reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 12, 2021, 12:25:44 PM
I've forced myself to listen 3 times now and I'm still not connecting with this album. Not sure which guitarist is doubling the vocals but the tone on many songs kind of grates on my ears. As of now, this one is at the bottom of the reunion albums.

It's Jannick.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 12, 2021, 02:06:42 PM
Got my physical copy today. I had listened to Senjutsu several times already, of course, but gave it a break until I could pop in my CD and give it my full attention again.

So, I sat down with the booklet, like good ol' times, and had Wolfking's track by track comments open as well (as they are always a pleasure to read - plus I get to know who did what with the solos!)...

...and I think I can say I liked it even more. I find this to be an extremely enjoyable, latter day-Maiden album. Again, it's still very early for any kind of ranking, but at the moment I'm liking it better than The Book of Souls. It certainly feels like it goes by much faster. It might be a little darker in tone, but as a listening experience it's a breeze...Sure, as usual, I'd agree certain songs/parts would have benefitted from some trimming - but it wouldn't be a (reunion) Maiden album otherwise, would it?

Just adding to the various comments I had made earlier:
- Very good performance from Bruce. I said earlier (when the singles came out) I wished he wouldn't try and reach for the stratosphere as often, as he doesn't sound quite as comfortable in it as he used to (understandably!). And I think he, um, listened  :biggrin: some great vocal melodies littered all over the place too.
- Most songs have grown over several listens. One that kind of stayed where it was is Stratego - it's a fine track, and I enjoy it, but I'm not nuts about it
- Speaking of growing - the one that did the most is Darkest Hour. Great song. I agree it has a Wasting Love vibe, both in the clean guitars accompanying the verse and in the chorus melody. I find it generally more poignant (I guess because of the subject matter) - I do enjoy Wasting Love, btw! And the solos are incredibly good. I wish they revisited the "pre-chorus" (I watch the sun move away...)
- Still love The Time Machine. I agree the intro/outro is kind of "there", but the song itself is cracking. Some familiar sounding parts here and there, but the whole package is fantastic
- As for Harris' epics: I still maintain Lost in a Lost World is great and Death of the Celts is the least remarkable. It's certainly a fun song - and I totally agree with Wolfking the "Gary Moore" section is super-cool and the Clansman-like section after the last solo is brilliant. But overall it's the epic I connect to the least. On the other hand, I LOVE The Parchment. The main initial riff after the intro has a Rainbow feel mixed in with some epic-doom...then the section right after the first solo - so tasty. There isn't a whole lot of variation in tempo for most of the song's duration but, man, all the solos, then the reprise of the main riff, Bruce's delivery...it's all excellent. And then him singing "Meet me there", with the change of pace for the song's finale...I just wish they had some sort of 7th Son-style twin guitar solo before the big, final unison, but I'm not complaining. Finally, Hell on Earth: I've said before, this has gotten better and better. Great melodies. Still a bit annoyed with the guitar-following-vocals thingy - it's not the only song where that happens, but it's especially noticeable here, as it's in the verse, pre-chorus AND chorus  :biggrin: Incidentally, I do echo the sentiment expressed here that it's a bit of a crime to have a chorus so good only repeated once (Is Steve Harris messing with us complaining about too much repetition?). But at the same time it's telling of how different the song structures are on this album.  Love Bruce's singing on the "Love in Anger..." part.

All in all, I'm quite happy with Senjutsu. I keep wanting to go back to it, and that's a good sign!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2021, 03:20:44 PM
I've forced myself to listen 3 times now and I'm still not connecting with this album. Not sure which guitarist is doubling the vocals but the tone on many songs kind of grates on my ears. As of now, this one is at the bottom of the reunion albums.

It's Jannick.

Yeah, 9 times out of 10 it's him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2021, 03:21:39 PM
I kind of just realised for the first time that there is only one song on NPFTD that's over 5 minutes.

Kade, I think you just hit on No Prayer's main problem.

The short songs on No Prayer are actually really good. Excellent, even.
No Prayer For The Dying (2021 Steve would've added 7 extra minutes turned this into a 12 minute masterpiece)
Run Silent Run Deep
Public Enema Number One
Fates Warning

But the "epic", Mother Russia, is really weak. As is the opener, Tailgunner. These are spots that Maiden is generally pretty strong at.

But these lesser "supporting" tracks are as strong as an other album's.

Agree.  The so called filler tracks are better than the main singles and promoted tracks.

Never really cared for Tailgunner either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2021, 03:23:51 PM
Great writeup Nick and thanks for the plug.  Agree with most you said.  If I were rating the Harris songs, Celts is easily the weakest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 12, 2021, 03:25:05 PM
Great writeup Nick and thanks for the plug.  Agree with most you said.  If I were rating the Harris songs, Celts is easily the weakest.

Yes. But the A Change Of Seasons intro is growing on me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2021, 05:34:03 PM
Great writeup Nick and thanks for the plug.  Agree with most you said.  If I were rating the Harris songs, Celts is easily the weakest.

Yes. But the A Change Of Seasons intro is growing on me.

Interesting.  I'll listen with that in mind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 12, 2021, 05:44:11 PM
Great writeup Nick and thanks for the plug.  Agree with most you said.  If I were rating the Harris songs, Celts is easily the weakest.

Yes. But the A Change Of Seasons intro is growing on me.

Interesting.  I'll listen with that in mind.

Yeah, the first 20-22 seconds or so.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 12, 2021, 07:28:57 PM
I kind of just realised for the first time that there is only one song on NPFTD that's over 5 minutes.

Kade, I think you just hit on No Prayer's main problem.

The short songs on No Prayer are actually really good. Excellent, even.
No Prayer For The Dying (2021 Steve would've added 7 extra minutes turned this into a 12 minute masterpiece)
Run Silent Run Deep
Public Enema Number One
Fates Warning

But the "epic", Mother Russia, is really weak. As is the opener, Tailgunner. These are spots that Maiden is generally pretty strong at.

But these lesser "supporting" tracks are as strong as an other album's.
Except Hooks in You - that's one of the biggest pieces of garbage EVER. Can't believe that Smith is partially responsible for it. Horrible track as is Holy Smoke. And Bring Your Daughter isn't much better. 

While not the greatest tracks ever, I don't have a problem with either Mother Russia or Tailgunner or the rest of the album. The rest of the album is good to my ears.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 12, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
Scotty pretty much summed up my opinion on the album. it was definitely a huge letdown. FOTD (IMO) was a much better version of the same (let’s strip things down) idea.

But there are certain songs from both NPFTD and VXI that make me embarrassed to be a Maiden fan sometimes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2021, 07:56:19 PM
But there are certain songs from both NPFTD and VXI that make me embarrassed to be a Maiden fan sometimes.

Add in FOTD for me (Chains of Misery comes to mind) and I agree with this statement.  I think it's kind of funny how my all time favorite band has a handful of songs that I think are just beyond terrible  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 12, 2021, 08:29:50 PM
FotD is the only album I think has anything that's embarrassing musically (Chains of Misery, Weekend Warrior). No Prayer has a couple of songs that are embarrassing lyrically (I think Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter is just disgusting).

Virtual XI is all good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 12, 2021, 08:35:58 PM
I’ve always said VXI is like Chinese water torture.

At first you’re thinking, “This isn’t so bad. Don’t see why everyone thinks this is such a bad thing.”  But then by the end of the 1000th repetition in DLTTEOAS, you’re screaming, “OMG!!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE!!!!!”
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 12, 2021, 08:46:09 PM
  :D

"Don't look to.. Don't look to... Don't look to the eyes of a stranger."
"Don't look to.. Don't look to... Don't look to the eyes of a stranger."
"Don't look to.. Don't look to... Don't look to the eyes of a stranger."
"Don't look to.. Don't look to... Don't look to the eyes of a stranger."

Hmmm...that actually fits really well over the chorus of Stratego.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2021, 08:46:17 PM
I kind of just realised for the first time that there is only one song on NPFTD that's over 5 minutes.

Kade, I think you just hit on No Prayer's main problem.

The short songs on No Prayer are actually really good. Excellent, even.
No Prayer For The Dying (2021 Steve would've added 7 extra minutes turned this into a 12 minute masterpiece)
Run Silent Run Deep
Public Enema Number One
Fates Warning

But the "epic", Mother Russia, is really weak. As is the opener, Tailgunner. These are spots that Maiden is generally pretty strong at.

But these lesser "supporting" tracks are as strong as an other album's.
Except Hooks in You - that's one of the biggest pieces of garbage EVER. Can't believe that Smith is partially responsible for it. Horrible track as is Holy Smoke. And Bring Your Daughter isn't much better. 

While not the greatest tracks ever, I don't have a problem with either Mother Russia or Tailgunner or the rest of the album. The rest of the album is good to my ears.

Bring Your Daughter was my most hated IM song until El Dorado came along.  Hooks in You is indeed pretty terrible too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on September 12, 2021, 08:55:30 PM
Quest for fire is the most embarrassing Maiden song imo. I cannot believe firstly noone in the band said 'about these lyrics....' and secondly that it made the album (and an album as otherwise great as Piece of Mind).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 12, 2021, 09:14:09 PM
I’ve always said VXI is like Chinese water torture.

At first you’re thinking, “This isn’t so bad. Don’t see why everyone thinks this is such a bad thing.”  But then by the end of the 1000th repetition in DLTTEOAS, you’re screaming, “OMG!!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE!!!!!”


I actually was shocked at how many times it repeats.  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 12, 2021, 09:23:53 PM
I’ve always said VXI is like Chinese water torture.

At first you’re thinking, “This isn’t so bad. Don’t see why everyone thinks this is such a bad thing.”  But then by the end of the 1000th repetition in DLTTEOAS, you’re screaming, “OMG!!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE!!!!!”

I actually was shocked at how many times it repeats.  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Man, you guys must sure hate post-rock if a repeating idea being made into a long crescendo bothers you so much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 12, 2021, 09:30:10 PM
I’ve always said VXI is like Chinese water torture.

At first you’re thinking, “This isn’t so bad. Don’t see why everyone thinks this is such a bad thing.”  But then by the end of the 1000th repetition in DLTTEOAS, you’re screaming, “OMG!!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE!!!!!”

I actually was shocked at how many times it repeats.  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Man, you guys must sure hate post-rock if a repeating idea being made into a long crescendo bothers you so much.

I never said I disliked it. I just found it funny. I never liked Blaze era until recently tbh.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 12, 2021, 09:54:50 PM
I like Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger and I don't mind the repetition. I think it's a bit odd that the idea that's being repeated and varied comes with a specific set of repeated words, but it works for me. Ditto The Angel and the Gambler.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 12, 2021, 09:59:13 PM
Okay I finally listened to DLTTEOAS, and while I do get what people mean about the repetition of the words, I also get the purpose. It would work way, way better with Bruce Dickinson adding his vocal build-up. Even though that build-up is nice, the song could've ended right before it and it would've been fine, but for some reason Harris just had to add more... :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 13, 2021, 12:19:48 AM
I like Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger and I don't mind the repetition. I think it's a bit odd that the idea that's being repeated and varied comes with a specific set of repeated words, but it works for me. Ditto The Angel and the Gambler.

Although the song is gigantic and repeats the same lines 22 times  :rollin, it has an interesting kind of rocker spirit  :biggrin:.

The guitarists took advantage of this in their solos.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cruithne on September 13, 2021, 03:52:40 AM
FotD is the only album I think has anything that's embarrassing musically (Chains of Misery, Weekend Warrior). No Prayer has a couple of songs that are embarrassing lyrically (I think Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter is just disgusting).

Bring Your Daughter... as a Nightmare On Elm Street song is fine. As an Iron Maiden track it's a bit of a headscratcher that they didn't change the lyrics. Maybe they tried and it just didn't scan properly and ended up leaving it as is.

However, it did provide the amusement of Top Of The Pops refusing to play it, because apparently letting Jimmy Saville present the program was a-ok but playing a song with lyrics for a horror movie wasn't.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 13, 2021, 04:55:57 AM
Current ranking without Senjutsu;

1. TFF
2. BNW
3. AMOLAD
4. DOD
5. TBOS

TFF has only recently taken the top spot.  I'm surprised how well it's aged for me.  I still can't say where Senjutsu would rank.  It could get 2nd or 3rd though.

I love the direction Maiden has taken in the past couple years.  Every album (except AMOLAD) has been an instant success with me.   Some fade over time (TBOS), some don't (TFF), but this darker, more complicated, more nuanced "presentation" (I love that word) of the band is really working for me.

For me:

1. TFF
2. DOD
3. TBOS
4. AMOLAD
5. BNW

Right now, Senjutsu would be number one, but I want to give it some more time first before I drop it in there.  There's not one skippable song yet (like there was with TBOS). 

I'm really digging the melodies on this (I find myself singing a lot of the songs during the day, and that's not usually the case with Maiden) and I'm liking a lot some of the things that are getting criticism (the intros, the guitars doubling the vocals, especially on the title track).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2021, 05:42:31 AM
Agree with pretty much all of that Bill.

This album could venture into masterpiece territory the way it's going.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 13, 2021, 06:51:44 AM
Speaking of direction, is there a limit to where this style can go? let's look back at the albums:

BNW was the "comeback", a fairly safe reunion album.
DOD already started to take some chances, with some diversity and less predictability.
Matter was darker, less accessible, and had quite a few long songs.
Final Frontier was basically the same template of Matter when it comes to the songs, once again a bunch of epics.
Book of Souls went all in, double album with a 13 minutes song and a 18 minutes piano piece.

Ok, Book of Souls was the limit, they couldn't go further than that, right? they would have had to scale down a bit, right?

Well, no! double album again! the opening song is long and slow! three epics in a row! we put a song with four verses and then we go into solos for six minutes or whatever because fuck you, "Play the Classics" guy!

At this point, if they do another album, I wouldn't know what to expect in term of song lenghts and structures.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2021, 06:55:30 AM
Me neither but I know it’ll be awesome!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2021, 08:44:42 AM
At this point, if they do another album, I wouldn't know what to expect in term of song lenghts and structures.

If I had to guess, the next album would be more of the same.  There's a lot of rehashed ideas on Senjutsu so it does kind of feel like they are locked in on this style.  We know it won't be funk though.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on September 13, 2021, 09:34:57 AM
Has there ever been any reason from the band as to why NPFTD was a back to basics album?  It's reverses the direction they'd been heading since Beast though to Seventh and kind off went back to a Debut/Killers vibe.  Looking at Wiki I do see a small but noticeable decline in sales of each album from that period, was this part of the reason?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 13, 2021, 09:45:19 AM
Has there ever been any reason from the band as to why NPFTD was a back to basics album?  It's reverses the direction they'd been heading since Beast though to Seventh and kind off went back to a Debut/Killers vibe.  Looking at Wiki I do see a small but noticeable decline in sales of each album from that period, was this part of the reason?

I have no idea, but I do know that the “no synths” prejudice in the US metal market was not to be believed. And I also know that IM, JP, and Ozzy (along with every other metal hero from the late 70s/early 80s) introducing synths was primarily responsible for the rise of “the big 4”…and, by extension, the entire thrash metal movement.

EDIT - I’m insinuating that it’s possible they were trying to recapture the US audience by losing the synths. Unfortunately, it just wasn’t a very good album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 13, 2021, 11:45:43 AM
Anyway, the solo in The Writing on the Wall is great, especially the section that starts at 04:26 and climaxes at 04:48 is glorious.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 13, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Has there ever been any reason from the band as to why NPFTD was a back to basics album?  It's reverses the direction they'd been heading since Beast though to Seventh and kind off went back to a Debut/Killers vibe.  Looking at Wiki I do see a small but noticeable decline in sales of each album from that period, was this part of the reason?

I have no idea, but I do know that the “no synths” prejudice in the US metal market was not to be believed. And I also know that IM, JP, and Ozzy (along with every other metal hero from the late 70s/early 80s) introducing synths was primarily responsible for the rise of “the big 4”…and, by extension, the entire thrash metal movement.

EDIT - I’m insinuating that it’s possible they were trying to recapture the US audience by losing the synths. Unfortunately, it just wasn’t a very good album.

I don't know about this.  There certainly were folks who hated synths in their metal, but I don't think the "prejudice" had any real impact.  After all, one of the biggest metal albums of 1988 (Operation: Mindcrime) had synth work all over it.  Also, by 1990, there was a pretty clear division between mainstream metal and thrash.  Maybe this is just a different way of saying the same thing, but I think NPFTD was a reaction to how big thrash had gotten and the up-and-coming grunge movement.  And yeah, it just wasn't a very good album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 13, 2021, 12:49:51 PM
If No Prayer for the Dying had Fear of the Dark's production I would actually consider it a good album. But that's just me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 13, 2021, 01:17:55 PM
I don't particularly love either production but, if anything, I think Fear of the Dark's might be a tiny bit worse...? I don't know, it seems so flat, sometimes I struggle to even hear Nicko's bass drum  ;)

There's certainly good stuff across these two albums - and I have fond memories of when Fear of the Dark came out - but I'd say they sit pretty comfortably in the bottom 3 of my IM ranking, along with VXI (which is my least favorite). I can't quite say if I like Fear or Prayer better. Perhaps the former, since it arguably produced at least one big "classic", long-lasting live staple with the title track (Bring Your Daughter was very successful, but it doesn't seem to have withstood the test of time...)

I don't know about the "no synth" prejudice in the US...I think it might have been a thing in Europe, though. Maybe it was a little later, I'm not sure. I remember the band Rage felt the need to have a "No Keyboards!" disclaimer on the back of their "Trapped!" album (1992) after their previous record "Reflections of a Shadow" had dared to have some  ;) Things have certainly changed...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 13, 2021, 01:20:50 PM
I don't know about the "no synth" prejudice in the US...I think it might have been a thing in Europe, though. Maybe it was a little later, I'm not sure. I remember the band Rage felt the need to have a "No Keyboards!" disclaimer on the back of their "Trapped!" album (1992) after their previous record "Reflections of a Shadow" had dared to have some  ;) Things have certainly changed...

Total thread hijacking, but I love Reflections of a Shadow  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 13, 2021, 01:25:41 PM
Anyway, the solo in The Writing on the Wall is great, especially the section that starts at 04:26 and climaxes at 04:48 is glorious.

Many times YES to this. Fantastic solo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 13, 2021, 01:41:24 PM
It's not short songs or a back to basics attitude that are the problem with NPFTD - it's that it only has 3 great songs on it.

Bruce had itchy feet, had already started looking elsewhere for excitement, started to explore more "rock'n'roll" avenues and done his first solo album. Adrian chucked it in.

Rock was huge but split across commercial and extreme divides. We'd be in our local pub and there was Warrant and Queensryche and Alice Cooper playing on the tv. At the same time, there was thrash and death metal shirts all over the drinkers.

Maiden were wondering where to aim themselves, and were growing apart, imo.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 13, 2021, 01:45:38 PM
Total thread hijacking, but I love Reflections of a Shadow  :D

Me too  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 13, 2021, 01:46:59 PM
I don't particularly love either production but, if anything, I think Fear of the Dark's might be a tiny bit worse...? I don't know, it seems so flat, sometimes I struggle to even hear Nicko's bass drum  ;)

There's certainly good stuff across these two albums - and I have fond memories of when Fear of the Dark came out - but I'd say they sit pretty comfortably in the bottom 3 of my IM ranking, along with VXI (which is my least favorite). I can't quite say if I like Fear or Prayer better. Perhaps the former, since it arguably produced at least one big "classic", long-lasting live staple with the title track (Bring Your Daughter was very successful, but it doesn't seem to have withstood the test of time...)

I don't know about the "no synth" prejudice in the US...I think it might have been a thing in Europe, though. Maybe it was a little later, I'm not sure. I remember the band Rage felt the need to have a "No Keyboards!" disclaimer on the back of their "Trapped!" album (1992) after their previous record "Reflections of a Shadow" had dared to have some  ;) Things have certainly changed...

It was interesting from my perspective because I liked a bunch of bands that used keyboards (Styx and Rush), but I certainly had some of the "no synths in metal" bias in the early '80s.  Also, I think there was some confusion among the anti-synth crowd as to the difference between a synthesizer and a keyboard.  I had a next-door neighbor who was hugely into Boston, and he often pointed out the disclaimer on their debut album about "no synthesizers."  I thought it was B.S. because I didn't understand that not all keyboard instruments were synths.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2021, 02:02:45 PM
It's not short songs or a back to basics attitude that are the problem with NPFTD - it's that it only has 3 great songs on it.

Bruce had itchy feet, had already started looking elsewhere for excitement, started to explore more "rock'n'roll" avenues and done his first solo album. Adrian chucked it in.

I think Bruce getting tired of IM at the time likely played a role.  I was only a little kid so I have no real experience to share in this opinion, but what I know about Bruce starting his solo band and also kind of having some conflicting ideas on Somewhere in Time with Steve that maybe they tried to change things to freshen it up with it kind of just failing.

But I do believe the times had to have played a role as well with metal kind of fading in the early 90s to grunge. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2021, 02:10:34 PM
I kind of just realised for the first time that there is only one song on NPFTD that's over 5 minutes.

Kade, I think you just hit on No Prayer's main problem.

The short songs on No Prayer are actually really good. Excellent, even.
No Prayer For The Dying (2021 Steve would've added 7 extra minutes turned this into a 12 minute masterpiece)
Run Silent Run Deep
Public Enema Number One
Fates Warning

But the "epic", Mother Russia, is really weak. As is the opener, Tailgunner. These are spots that Maiden is generally pretty strong at.

But these lesser "supporting" tracks are as strong as an other album's.
Except Hooks in You - that's one of the biggest pieces of garbage EVER. Can't believe that Smith is partially responsible for it. Horrible track as is Holy Smoke. And Bring Your Daughter isn't much better. 

While not the greatest tracks ever, I don't have a problem with either Mother Russia or Tailgunner or the rest of the album. The rest of the album is good to my ears.

Hooks In You is one of the 5 worst songs Maiden has ever recorded. Holy Smoke would've been an awesome B-side. I consider neither essential, and I wasn't really referring to them when I said their shorty songs were good. MOST of them were.

And as far as Bring You Daughter...that song is excellent, I mean other than the Bring Your Daughter To the Slaughter part, which I know is a big part. But the verses are excellent, and the chorus section, the music..not the words, is great.

Kind of like Public Enema Number One..A great song killed by an awful title.



With No Prayer, Steve really wanted a more of a stripped down feel, after going through the 80's. And he obviously wanted that stripped down approach reflected in their toned down stage show, which I still maintain is one of my all time favorite tours.


In a way, Steve kind of properly read the room regarding where music was going after the extravagance of the 80's. No Prayer was recorded in the summer of 1990, a full year before Nirvana released Nevermind.

Surprisingly, Bruce has 5 or 6 writing credits, yet he still feels a bit detached.

But Steve's material, after two years off is surprisingly weak, especially Mother Russia.


Jannick catches a lot of flak, but he basically came in and well, rescued the band would be way strong, but he gave the band a much needed heartbeat. Find a show from that tour on youtube and watch it. He was so energetic on stage, and he seemed to really pull Dave out of his shell.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2021, 02:37:19 PM
The No Prayer/FOTD tours are possibly the most entertaining for me.  The energy the band has is incredible.  I love the Donington 92 show.  Agree Janick put a firecracker up all their asses when it comes to live performances.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 13, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
I’ve always said VXI is like Chinese water torture.

At first you’re thinking, “This isn’t so bad. Don’t see why everyone thinks this is such a bad thing.”  But then by the end of the 1000th repetition in DLTTEOAS, you’re screaming, “OMG!!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE!!!!!”

I actually was shocked at how many times it repeats.  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Man, you guys must sure hate post-rock if a repeating idea being made into a long crescendo bothers you so much.

Pretty sure I’ve never heard “post rock” in my life so I guess I’m safe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 13, 2021, 03:30:43 PM
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Smith then clarified: "Folky — not funky. If there's one thing that IRON MAIDEN will never do, that's funk. As much as I love it, but I don't think we'll ever do that. I can't imagine Steve slapping the bass…
What the funk Maiden, slapp da bass man!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 13, 2021, 03:56:40 PM
I've said it before but bears repeating:

It's an awful song but the opening riff to Hooks In You is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2021, 03:58:25 PM
I've said it before but bears repeating:

It's an awful song but the opening riff to Hooks In You is fantastic.

Sure, I think with different lyrics, it wouldn't be too bad.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2021, 04:53:53 PM
I've said it before but bears repeating:

It's an awful song but the opening riff to Hooks In You is fantastic.

Interesting.  I find it pretty generic but different for Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2021, 04:55:09 PM
Great writeup Nick and thanks for the plug.  Agree with most you said.  If I were rating the Harris songs, Celts is easily the weakest.

Yes. But the A Change Of Seasons intro is growing on me.

Interesting.  I'll listen with that in mind.

Yeah, the first 20-22 seconds or so.

I kind kind of hear this.  Wouldn't have picked it myself but can totally see what you mean.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
Was watching a bit of En Vivo tonight.

It's hard to fathom people putting TFF at the bottom of their rankings. Watched The Talisman, When The Wild Wind Blows, and Coming Home. These are three Tier 1 tracks for me. The Talisman is my favorite Reunion Era track. Bruce is amazing on it, and that track is about as hard driving as anything they have.

And while Neal Peart gets fellated all of the time for his lyrics, Bruce's Coming Home might be the best lyric in their catalog.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2021, 08:40:43 PM
That performance of the Talisman is easily one of the greatest performances from the band ever.

A top 5 Maiden song for me too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2021, 08:46:47 PM
Yeah, and after watching a lot of the Book Of Souls Live Chapter and En Vivo recently, Janick really plays a lot more lead than one might realize, but it's not necessarily during a "guitar solo" spot. He is basically playing single note melodies throughout a ton of tracks. In TRATB, he's basically playing lead throughout the whole thing.

I think in some of his solo spots, he's a little guilty of being a bit all over the place, probably more due to finding a different "solo space" from Dave and Adrian. But he has some great pick and note control, even while jumping around like a (affectionatly) fool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2021, 09:19:42 PM
I never understood the hate for Janick.  I admit as a guitarist, he has been sloppy as fuck and his style is quite one dimensional but he fits the position description IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 13, 2021, 10:10:36 PM
I never understood the hate for Janick.  I admit as a guitarist, he has been sloppy as fuck and his style is quite one dimensional but he fits the position description IMO.

I think it depends on how you get into the band. My introduction to Maiden was the Live/Dead combo, so obviously I have no problems with Janick. I can only imagine how painful those records must be to those who don't like him!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2021, 10:37:35 PM
Groowing up with Adrian during the 80's and then getting No Prayer AND Janick?  Lol, yeah, I can see where people would not take too kindly to him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 14, 2021, 01:37:39 AM
And while Neal Peart gets fellated all of the time for his lyrics, Bruce's Coming Home might be the best lyric in their catalog.

That song is fantastic, emotional and poetic. A must have on my muuuuuusic playeeeeer whenever I'm flying (or was flying...? damn Covid). Hearing that song while you're flying is amazing. And yes, I did strech the fingers of my hand to cover countries with my span.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 14, 2021, 06:48:41 AM
Has there ever been any reason from the band as to why NPFTD was a back to basics album?  It's reverses the direction they'd been heading since Beast though to Seventh and kind off went back to a Debut/Killers vibe.  Looking at Wiki I do see a small but noticeable decline in sales of each album from that period, was this part of the reason?

I think it's a confluence of things.  Smith left, because he didn't like the direction of the band.  I don't know if that means he didn't like the prog stuff, or the new "streamlined" approach, but something was amiss for him.   Dickinson just did his solo album, which was for all intents and purposes, an AC/DC album, at least as compared to what came before.  Most fans have recognized the clear change in his vocal approach after SSOASS through TM to NPFTD.  His guitar player on that album and tour - Jannick Gers - was now the new guy in Maiden, bringing that sensibility (though he had no writing credits on the record that I recall).   They used a new studio ("The Barn", in Harris' back yard).  There have been a couple interviews where at least Dickinson has said that the idea was not a good one and the sound was "crap".  I don't know if it was sales or not, but the concepts and staging was getting more and more complicated and bloated, and maybe there was a need to sort of strip back the operation, and that was reflected in the music itself. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 14, 2021, 07:33:29 AM
I never understood the hate for Janick.  I admit as a guitarist, he has been sloppy as fuck and his style is quite one dimensional but he fits the position description IMO.

I think you answered your own question Wolfie!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2021, 08:19:04 AM
Groowing up with Adrian during the 80's and then getting No Prayer AND Janick?  Lol, yeah, I can see where people would not take too kindly to him.

As someone who didn't get into IM until the 2000s, I never thought of it like this.  Now I understand a bit more of the dislike because if I was listening at that time, I might feel the same given the change and new music.  But I personally like him a lot in the band.  And when you get all these bands playing to autotune or protools or whatever, hearing the sloppiness of him live is refreshing in some ways.  You know it's legit and I respect it.  I don't mind it at all.  Also his writing contributions have been great. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 14, 2021, 08:42:55 AM
Groowing up with Adrian during the 80's and then getting No Prayer AND Janick?  Lol, yeah, I can see where people would not take too kindly to him.

As someone who didn't get into IM until the 2000s, I never thought of it like this.  Now I understand a bit more of the dislike because if I was listening at that time, I might feel the same given the change and new music.  But I personally like him a lot in the band.  And when you get all these bands playing to autotune or protools or whatever, hearing the sloppiness of him live is refreshing in some ways.  You know it's legit and I respect it.  I don't mind it at all.  Also his writing contributions have been great.

See, I was there just following when Adrian joined (I got into Maiden with the Number Of The Beast), so to hear what Maiden became between the debut and Killers, and watched, in real time, his contributions to Powerslave and SiT (as well as the b-sides!) it was the whole being more than the sum of the parts.  I was okay with Jannick - I LOVE "A View From The Hill" by Fish - but Tattooed Millionaire wasn't my favorite album of all time (still isn't) so as Maiden became more like that, I liked it less.   It's sort of the "Phil Collins Syndrome".   Phil Collins didn't make Genesis go soft - that was Tony Banks - but the myth persists because Phil's SOLO stuff was softer at the same time.  Jannick joined and the band got gritty and abandoned the prog-ish influences, neither good things for me, and so he was to blame. 

I've come to soften a bit my feelings, but he's always been and likely always be the third of three for me (I'm a Dave guy first and foremost).  Plus I've personally seen him twice now where the band is playing and he's either futzing with his guitar chord (Hartford on the Legacy tour) or futzing around with his strap after twirling his guitar around his neck (Hartford on the shed tour with Dio back in the early 2000's).  it seems a little counter to the Maiden ethos, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 14, 2021, 02:13:05 PM
Groowing up with Adrian during the 80's and then getting No Prayer AND Janick?  Lol, yeah, I can see where people would not take too kindly to him.

So I grew up with Adrian in the 80's and I'll give you my take.

I honestly never really followed Iron Maiden and gave their solos much of a thought.
(EDIT: I DID follow Iron Maiden heavily. It was their solos that I never really considered..)

Iron Maiden were different that way in that they operated as a band. It was about the songs and how they were constructed. And Dave and Adrian's strength were working together, creating dual harmonies.

Here's a magazine cover from 1985.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qvEAAOSwnQFebtUl/s-l400.jpg)

And another..

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/f7/35/43f7350372d2b219b777f476175a1a07.jpg)


They were basically a package deal. Even Ronnie Dio called on them to play the harmonies on Stars.


Adrian had come to be my favorite member of the band. I liked that he really presented some songwriting balance to what Steve was doing. I thought the Reach Out b-side was awesome.

While Bruce's solo album seemed like an excuse to burn some energy and see if he could pull it off, ASAP was a far more serious venture. Adrian was carving out his own thing.

I literally remember the moment I heard Adrian left. It was a Friday, at college, and we were about to start partying, and I was reading a CMJ Music Journal that I had grabbed from the school radio station.
I was gutted. Gutted. But as I read it stated that Janick Gers would be taking over. I was pleasantly surprised. He was practically already in the family, having played with Bruce.


I felt Adrian's absence was definitely felt on No Prayer. Janick was only called in I think literally the night before they started recording. There are a lot of things to look at with that album, but I never felt Janick was one of them.
But what I do know is that the tour was amazing. I've already posted about the energy he brought to the band on stage. I saw two shows on that tour and I felt much better about the band, even though their new album was quite weak.

Fear Of The Dark is much stronger And yes, I know it's got a number of filler tracks, but it was the first album they made in the CD age, and a few of those tracks would've been b sides, but since there was room, they were put on. It is what it is. But when I hear a track like Afraid To Shoot Strangers, you can see how well Janick fit in.

I thought the band was set for the 90's with Fear Of The Dark. But then came the news that Bruce was leaving at the end of the tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 14, 2021, 02:36:31 PM
I have that first magazine somewhere downstairs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 14, 2021, 08:16:00 PM
The Writing on the Wall made so little of an impression on me when I first heard it, but now it puts a smile on my face each time. I think there are two factors at play: It's very well-placed coming right after Stratego on the album, and the master that was put on YouTube just smothered the thing nearly to death.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 14, 2021, 08:23:35 PM
I'm sure I've posted these once or twice, but because I'm in a Janick mood..


July 22, 1990
The Living Room
Providence RI

(https://i.imgur.com/D5RXPKN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tqzQOGa.jpg)




January 25, 1991
Civic Center
Providence RI


(https://i.imgur.com/W8PiBag.jpg?2)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 14, 2021, 09:13:22 PM
I've really tried with the last 3 albums, but all of them have largely left me underwhelmed and limp.  Nothing stands out.  The writing and production is bland, the melodies are uneventful, and Bruce gets worse every album - some of the songs I heard yesterday weren't much above a spoken delivery..  If those three albums were released by a 6-pack of 50.60 year old guys in a band called Idle Machine, would anyone have taken notice?  I can't help but think a lot of the adulation is because it's Iron-fucking-Maiden.

This is a very good point and one I've thought about for a long time. My "falling out" with Iron Maiden was Dance of Death and everything after. I really didn't try to get into all those albums...just one or two listens and I gave up because nothing immediately grabbed me. I don't have a strong dislike for those albums though.

After listening to Senjutsu, I've come to the conclusion (and I don't know why it's taken me this long) but Iron Maiden is very much an AC/DC-type of band, I think more so in the last 20 years. They have a very distinct style and they really stick to their guns even when they get "progressive". With this mindset, I am starting to revisit the last 4 albums. I have started with A Matter of Life and Death and I'm liking it more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 14, 2021, 09:26:47 PM
I've really tried with the last 3 albums, but all of them have largely left me underwhelmed and limp.  Nothing stands out.  The writing and production is bland, the melodies are uneventful, and Bruce gets worse every album - some of the songs I heard yesterday weren't much above a spoken delivery..  If those three albums were released by a 6-pack of 50.60 year old guys in a band called Idle Machine, would anyone have taken notice?  I can't help but think a lot of the adulation is because it's Iron-fucking-Maiden.

I missed this post the first time, since I couldn't listen to the album yet and so was staying away from the thread.

I don't think there's anything I can say to change your view on most of this, and I don't really think I need to, but: I got into Iron Maiden in 2011. The song that got me into them was When the Wild Wind Blows. The first Maiden album I listened to all the way through was The Final Frontier, which is still my favorite. I didn't care what name was at the top of the cover, and still don't—that album, to me, is incredibly special, and I'd take it over the complete batch from Killers to Powerslave every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

That's just one person's view, completely granted. But I just wanted to speak up as a rare person who actually experienced starting with one of the last three albums, with none of the reputation of the classic era as something that even was a factor for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 14, 2021, 09:51:50 PM
I'm definitely not one of those who feel a need to listen to something because it's from a famous and established band.

Just to illustrate: I've never listened to Van Halen's Different Kind of Truth, I haven't listened to AC/DC's Power Up, I haven't listened to Helloween's new one yet....  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 14, 2021, 10:06:53 PM
I've really tried with the last 3 albums, but all of them have largely left me underwhelmed and limp.  Nothing stands out.  The writing and production is bland, the melodies are uneventful, and Bruce gets worse every album - some of the songs I heard yesterday weren't much above a spoken delivery..  If those three albums were released by a 6-pack of 50.60 year old guys in a band called Idle Machine, would anyone have taken notice?  I can't help but think a lot of the adulation is because it's Iron-fucking-Maiden.

I missed this post the first time, since I couldn't listen to the album yet and so was staying away from the thread.

I don't think there's anything I can say to change your view on most of this, and I don't really think I need to, but: I got into Iron Maiden in 2011. The song that got me into them was When the Wild Wind Blows. The first Maiden album I listened to all the way through was The Final Frontier, which is still my favorite. I didn't care what name was at the top of the cover, and still don't—that album, to me, is incredibly special, and I'd take it over the complete batch from Killers to Powerslave every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

That's just one person's view, completely granted. But I just wanted to speak up as a rare person who actually experienced starting with one of the last three albums, with none of the reputation of the classic era as something that even was a factor for me.

That's cool. I didn't even think about fans who got into the band from their newer stuff after reading jingle.boy's post. I was looking at it from someone who got into their stuff from the earlier albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 14, 2021, 10:30:40 PM
It’s like meeting someone who’s first exposure to Star Wars was the prequels.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 14, 2021, 11:43:55 PM

After listening to Senjutsu, I've come to the conclusion (and I don't know why it's taken me this long) but Iron Maiden is very much an AC/DC-type of band, I think more so in the last 20 years. They have a very distinct style and they really stick to their guns even when they get "progressive".

Oh, yes. I agree with this 100%. Maiden are the most important piece of my musical taste but this is super-true.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2021, 01:07:48 AM
Random post, but speaking of Janick, his playing on Son of A Gun us fucking incredible.  He really connects with the guitar on that song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 15, 2021, 02:12:09 AM
I've really tried with the last 3 albums, but all of them have largely left me underwhelmed and limp.  Nothing stands out.  The writing and production is bland, the melodies are uneventful, and Bruce gets worse every album - some of the songs I heard yesterday weren't much above a spoken delivery..  If those three albums were released by a 6-pack of 50.60 year old guys in a band called Idle Machine, would anyone have taken notice?  I can't help but think a lot of the adulation is because it's Iron-fucking-Maiden.

I missed this post the first time, since I couldn't listen to the album yet and so was staying away from the thread.

I don't think there's anything I can say to change your view on most of this, and I don't really think I need to, but: I got into Iron Maiden in 2011. The song that got me into them was When the Wild Wind Blows. The first Maiden album I listened to all the way through was The Final Frontier, which is still my favorite. I didn't care what name was at the top of the cover, and still don't—that album, to me, is incredibly special, and I'd take it over the complete batch from Killers to Powerslave every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

That's just one person's view, completely granted. But I just wanted to speak up as a rare person who actually experienced starting with one of the last three albums, with none of the reputation of the classic era as something that even was a factor for me.
I'm with you on this.  I came into the Iron Maiden camp with Dance of Death. I love every album since as well, especially Final Frontier and Senjutsu.  I'm 49 years old and I like the post 2000 era better than any of their earlier stuff.
I'll take "Paschendale" over "Number of the Beast" live in concert any day..  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2021, 05:04:54 AM
Random post, but speaking of Janick, his playing on Son of A Gun us fucking incredible.  He really connects with the guitar on that song.

Absolutely. He's excellent on Tattooed Millionaire. Even in a song like Born In '58, his solo is short, but tasteful and effective.


After watching a lot of live stuff over the last few weeks, Rock In Rio, DOTR, Live Chapter, and the Legacy Rio show, his playing is way more prominent in their sound than one would think. Those single note melodies are a hallmark to this era. And not all of his solos suck. His solo in Brave New World is awesome, and many others as well.


I can't find the post earlier, but I thought someone posted something along the lines of Janick's stage antics being beneath Iron Maiden. Janick is on point live and THAT is all that Steve cares about. Like I said, his pick and note control is excellent, even while he's jumping around. His live solos can be a bit suspect, but he's usually only playing over 6 or 8 bars. I think he just tries to do something different than Dave and Adrian. He's actually quite important to their sound.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Willthescout7 on September 15, 2021, 05:21:32 AM
I became a fan in 2016 after a friend showed me Empire of the Clouds. I went home and listened to all of The Book of Souls, and officially joined the bandwagon after hearing The Red & the Black. I then went through most of the rest of their discography, though I have yet to listen to any of the other reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 15, 2021, 05:29:13 AM
I became a fan in 1998, so I only had the 80s and 90s albums to listen to (the "classic" era), which I still much prefer. The reunion stuff just doesn't do much for me, aside from a song here and there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2021, 05:33:46 AM
I've really tried with the last 3 albums, but all of them have largely left me underwhelmed and limp.  Nothing stands out.  The writing and production is bland, the melodies are uneventful, and Bruce gets worse every album - some of the songs I heard yesterday weren't much above a spoken delivery..  If those three albums were released by a 6-pack of 50.60 year old guys in a band called Idle Machine, would anyone have taken notice?  I can't help but think a lot of the adulation is because it's Iron-fucking-Maiden.

This is a very good point and one I've thought about for a long time. My "falling out" with Iron Maiden was Dance of Death and everything after. I really didn't try to get into all those albums...just one or two listens and I gave up because nothing immediately grabbed me. I don't have a strong dislike for those albums though.

After listening to Senjutsu, I've come to the conclusion (and I don't know why it's taken me this long) but Iron Maiden is very much an AC/DC-type of band, I think more so in the last 20 years. They have a very distinct style and they really stick to their guns even when they get "progressive". With this mindset, I am starting to revisit the last 4 albums. I have started with A Matter of Life and Death and I'm liking it more.

So sure, they are very much a Legacy band, with a career spanning over 40 years. There will certainly be some familiarity. But there's a big difference between familiarity and becoming stale. I think the hallmark of the Reunion Era is that they have gotten anything but stale. Their albums require more than a cursory listen.






I'm with you on this.  I came into the Iron Maiden camp with Dance of Death. I love every album since as well, especially Final Frontier and Senjutsu.  I'm 49 years old and I like the post 2000 era better than any of their earlier stuff.
I'll take "Paschendale" over "Number of the Beast" live in concert any day..  :metal

I didn't realize you were that old..
What took you so long that Dance Of Death was your start?

I'll be 53 next week, and I was a huge fan in the 80's, and I think the Reunion Era is every bit as good, if not better than the Classic Era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2021, 05:35:15 AM
Random post, but speaking of Janick, his playing on Son of A Gun us fucking incredible.  He really connects with the guitar on that song.

Absolutely. He's excellent on Tattooed Millionaire. Even in a song like Born In '58, his solo is short, but tasteful and effective.


After watching a lot of live stuff over the last few weeks, Rock In Rio, DOTR, Live Chapter, and the Legacy Rio show, his playing is way more prominent in their sound than one would think. Those single note melodies are a hallmark to this era. And not all of his solos suck. His solo in Brave New World is awesome, and many others as well.


I can't find the post earlier, but I thought someone posted something along the lines of Janick's stage antics being beneath Iron Maiden. Janick is on point live and THAT is all that Steve cares about. Like I said, his pick and note control is excellent, even while he's jumping around. His live solos can be a bit suspect, but he's usually only playing over 6 or 8 bars. I think he just tries to do something different than Dave and Adrian. He's actually quite important to their sound.

I've said it before, but it was so good he used it again in Montsegur.


I've always thought he was important to their sound truthfully.  When getting into Maiden, Maiden England and Donington 92 were my two big concert VHS's I used to watch.  Enjoy them both equally and appreciated the contrast between Adrian and Janick.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 15, 2021, 05:41:08 AM
I'm a sucker for Janick's playing, so I don't really get the hate that pops up from time to time. Then again, I joined the Iron Maiden party in 2003, so he was well established in the band by then. Many of the things I love the most in the band, like the climactic solos in Blood Brothers, Rainmaker, and The Red and the Black wouldn't be the same without him – and I do appreciate that he's willing to get noisy with his solos from time to time. Maybe it's an acquired taste, but I would definitely miss him were he not in the band.

I do think it's special that the three guitarists are so distinct in terms of timbre, composition, and approaches to soloing that you can (mostly) tell who's playing without seeing footage.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2021, 05:42:50 AM
I'm a sucker for Janick's playing, so I don't really get the hate that pops up from time to time. Then again, I joined the Iron Maiden party in 2003, so he was well established in the band by then. Many of the things I love the most in the band, like the climactic solos in Blood Brothers, Rainmaker, and The Red and the Black wouldn't be the same without him – and I do appreciate that he's willing to get noisy with his solos from time to time. Maybe it's an acquired taste, but I would definitely miss him were he not in the band.

I do think it's special that the three guitarists are so distinct in terms of timbre, composition, and approaches to soloing that you can (mostly) tell who's playing without seeing footage.

Rainmaker is all Dave mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 15, 2021, 06:10:21 AM
I'm a sucker for Janick's playing, so I don't really get the hate that pops up from time to time. Then again, I joined the Iron Maiden party in 2003, so he was well established in the band by then. Many of the things I love the most in the band, like the climactic solos in Blood Brothers, Rainmaker, and The Red and the Black wouldn't be the same without him – and I do appreciate that he's willing to get noisy with his solos from time to time. Maybe it's an acquired taste, but I would definitely miss him were he not in the band.

I do think it's special that the three guitarists are so distinct in terms of timbre, composition, and approaches to soloing that you can (mostly) tell who's playing without seeing footage.

Rainmaker is all Dave mate.

Not all, man – I mean the part where they're all harmonizing before the chorus kicks back in. I don't think that's all Dave multitracking himself, and the way at his and Janick's sounds mesh in that part is pretty grand (maybe Adrian's playing along in that part too, though I think he does the rhythm part live).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 15, 2021, 06:39:19 AM
I’ve been a fan since 83, and have come around to the fact that Adrian is by far the most important member and best songwriter. Not sure I would listen if he left again. The reason TFF is the best reunion album is because he wrote most of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2021, 06:46:46 AM
I’ve been a fan since 83, and have come around to the fact that Adrian is by far the most important member and best songwriter. Not sure I would listen if he left again. The reason TFF is the best reunion album is because he wrote most of it.

It's hard to not call Steve Harris the most important member, but I feel the Adrian factor. He was my favorite member when he left in 1990. His presence provides vitally needed balance against a Steve Harris overload. And he also provides a musical depth that was missing while he was gone. He is vital.

I was so bummed when he missed the Boston show on the Ed Hunter tour. I was really excited to see him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2021, 07:16:08 AM
I'm definitely not one of those who feel a need to listen to something because it's from a famous and established band.

Just to illustrate: I've never listened to Van Halen's Different Kind of Truth, I haven't listened to AC/DC's Power Up, I haven't listened to Helloween's new one yet....  :lol

In case you care, ADKOT was my album of the year in 2012, and I rate it higher than most of the Sammy stuff.  That's a SOLID record.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2021, 07:18:27 AM
I'm definitely not one of those who feel a need to listen to something because it's from a famous and established band.

Just to illustrate: I've never listened to Van Halen's Different Kind of Truth, I haven't listened to AC/DC's Power Up, I haven't listened to Helloween's new one yet....  :lol

In case you care, ADKOT was my album of the year in 2012, and I rate it higher than most of the Sammy stuff.  That's a SOLID record.

ADKOT is an EXCELLENT album, even if a bit bloated, but still 8 or 9 songs deep. Power Up ..it's AC/DC. It's a nice listen, and you have to look at it as "It's all gravy at this point" with it.
The new Helloween is AMAZING!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 15, 2021, 07:24:04 AM
I can't find the post earlier, but I thought someone posted something along the lines of Janick's stage antics being beneath Iron Maiden. Janick is on point live and THAT is all that Steve cares about. Like I said, his pick and note control is excellent, even while he's jumping around. His live solos can be a bit suspect, but he's usually only playing over 6 or 8 bars. I think he just tries to do something different than Dave and Adrian. He's actually quite important to their sound.

I find this idea strange considering that a hallmark of Maiden's live performances has always been a lot of running and jumping around from the band members, especially Bruce. I'm not sure I get the standard on which the singer jumping on the monitors while wearing some kind of feathery animal mask is good, but the guitarist dancing is bad.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2021, 07:27:23 AM
Exactly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 15, 2021, 07:27:52 AM
And let's not forget the "climb like a monkey" part  :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2021, 07:28:51 AM
I can't find the post earlier, but I thought someone posted something along the lines of Janick's stage antics being beneath Iron Maiden. Janick is on point live and THAT is all that Steve cares about. Like I said, his pick and note control is excellent, even while he's jumping around. His live solos can be a bit suspect, but he's usually only playing over 6 or 8 bars. I think he just tries to do something different than Dave and Adrian. He's actually quite important to their sound.

I find this idea strange considering that a hallmark of Maiden's live performances has always been a lot of running and jumping around from the band members, especially Bruce. I'm not sure I get the standard on which the singer jumping on the monitors while wearing some kind of feathery animal mask is good, but the guitarist dancing is bad.

I wouldn't say "beneath" actually, but I'm not a fan of Jannick's stage stuff, and I have been begging my daughter to go see Maiden just for Bruce's.  The Bruce stuff is, to me, theater and stagecraft, tied to the song/theme.  And he sings the entire time, not missing a beat.   The twirling the guitar around the neck is... well, Cinderella (the band).  Not that I don't love Cinderella, I do (very much) but it's... Cinderella.   And I've already said I've seen them twice already where while the rest of the band was playing, he was spinning his guitar and ole-ing his guitar chord.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2021, 08:14:33 AM
I can't find the post earlier, but I thought someone posted something along the lines of Janick's stage antics being beneath Iron Maiden. Janick is on point live and THAT is all that Steve cares about. Like I said, his pick and note control is excellent, even while he's jumping around. His live solos can be a bit suspect, but he's usually only playing over 6 or 8 bars. I think he just tries to do something different than Dave and Adrian. He's actually quite important to their sound.

I find this idea strange considering that a hallmark of Maiden's live performances has always been a lot of running and jumping around from the band members, especially Bruce. I'm not sure I get the standard on which the singer jumping on the monitors while wearing some kind of feathery animal mask is good, but the guitarist dancing is bad.

Completely agree.  I also think the jumping around adds to the live performance.  The thing I dislike the most about a Dream Theater show is how they are fairly lifeless on stage.  It's not a good vibe IMO.  We are talking metal music, not classical.  Being energetic on stage is a huge part of metal IMO.  It's not just a maiden thing.  I saw Avatar the other week, the amount of headbanging those guys do is crazy.  But it's part of rocking out on stage.  It gets the crowd to also rock out.  Bruce's antics are a bit different than Jannicks, but the point is the same.  To get the crowd active and engaged. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 15, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
With Dream Theater, the technicalities of their music make it more difficult to jump around on stage. I don't see the need for it, the music speaks for itself.  Jordan occasionally brings out the keytar so he can come up front and rock out, and him and JP do some unison, even Myung joins in on that. JLB moves around but doesn't overdo it.  DT's stage act is just fine to me. At least you could see MP or MM, whereas Nicko is buried behind the kit.  :lol
Bruce Dickinson is just a freak of nature and is a lot more athletic than most performers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 15, 2021, 09:51:29 AM
I’ve been a fan since 83, and have come around to the fact that Adrian is by far the most important member and best songwriter. Not sure I would listen if he left again. The reason TFF is the best reunion album is because he wrote most of it.

And this probably explains why TFF is my least favorite of the reunion era. I tend to skip all the Smith tracks as I find most of them fairly boring and generic sounding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 15, 2021, 10:00:07 AM
My favorite tracks on TFF are Isle of Avalon, The Talisman, and When The Wild Wind Blows.  Starblind and Coming Home are great too, come to think of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 15, 2021, 10:12:37 AM
I'm a sucker for Janick's playing, so I don't really get the hate that pops up from time to time. Then again, I joined the Iron Maiden party in 2003, so he was well established in the band by then. Many of the things I love the most in the band, like the climactic solos in Blood Brothers, Rainmaker, and The Red and the Black wouldn't be the same without him – and I do appreciate that he's willing to get noisy with his solos from time to time. Maybe it's an acquired taste, but I would definitely miss him were he not in the band.

I do think it's special that the three guitarists are so distinct in terms of timbre, composition, and approaches to soloing that you can (mostly) tell who's playing without seeing footage.

I've heard that Gers plays Smith's solos on the older stuff and fucks them up. I've only seen the band once 21 years ago and I haven't watched much live stuff so I've no idea how true that is about the solos.

I never had a problem with Gers' stage presence. I think it's entertaining. I liked all the lead playing on Senjutsu but I've no idea who is playing which solos.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 15, 2021, 10:18:51 AM
My favorite tracks on TFF are Isle of Avalon, The Talisman, and When The Wild Wind Blows.  Starblind and Coming Home are great too, come to think of it.

 :tup

I like The Alchemist, The Talisman and When the Wild Wind Blows. Not much else there I care for. Title track is OK. I don't get the hate for El Dorado. It just sounds a bit average. Every now and then I have the hankering to list to Isle of Avalon.  It seems that TFF and AMoLaD (another one eveyone ranks highly) are pretty slim pickings for me. I haven't figured an order yet as I've seen everyone on the last few pages posting their reunion rankings. But I know TFF and AMoLaD would be at the bottom.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 15, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
So I grew up with Adrian in the 80's and I'll give you my take.

I honestly never really followed Iron Maiden and gave their solos much of a thought.
(EDIT: I DID follow Iron Maiden heavily. It was their solos that I never really considered..)

Iron Maiden were different that way in that they operated as a band. It was about the songs and how they were constructed. And Dave and Adrian's strength were working together, creating dual harmonies.

Here's a magazine cover from 1985.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qvEAAOSwnQFebtUl/s-l400.jpg)

. . .

They were basically a package deal. Even Ronnie Dio called on them to play the harmonies on Stars.

I'm generally with you on the perception of Maiden through the '80s, although I probably paid more attention to the solos than you did.  I always preferred Dave over Adrian, but both were great, and the idea of them being a cohesive unit was paramount.  I once read a review of one of their shows here in Southern California.  The reviewer was obviously not a metal fan, but he seemed genuinely impressed with Maiden.  After a quick jab at the fans who cheered for the roadie playing a "drum solo" before the show started, he complimented Bruce's singing and his demeanor as a front man and was very impressed with Dave and Adrian's "guitar solo" spot, which eschewed flash for tasteful licks and harmonies.

Couple other things.  That Guitar for the Practicing Musician edition is pretty rare.  It also amuses me that it features Dave and Adrian, but the photo is Dave and Steve, and Steve is holding a guitar, rather than a bass.  Also, with Stars, the whole band was invited to participate, but they were at the end of a two week break in the World Slavery Tour after returning from Australia.  The recording of Stars happened 2-3 days before Maiden resumed the tour in Portland, Maine, and it was only really feasible for Dave and Adrian to fly in and fly out of Los Angeles (I believe in the same day) and pop in the studio for an hour or two, so they came up with the harmony bits during the recording of the main tracks.

I REALLY wish Wendy Dio would figure out how to get Stars re-leased on digital media with the "loads of outtakes for the video" that she has mentioned.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 15, 2021, 10:33:51 AM
The Final Frontier is the album that has grown on me the most, out of the reunion stuff. For some reason, I was in a Maiden "lull" when it came out, and I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it at first. But now I really like it.

There are some pretty amazing songs on it, both long and short. The one thing that holds it back a little for me is how it starts. The title track...I don't enjoy it much. And while the Satellite 15 intro is interesting, the whole thing makes for a good chunk of running time at the very beginning that is just kinda there. El Dorado is ok -  not great, but fun enough. All in all, not an exciting start.

But then it all gets much better  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2021, 10:45:12 AM
That Guitar for the Practicing Musician edition is pretty rare.  It also amuses me that it features Dave and Adrian, but the photo is Dave and Steve, and Steve is holding a guitar, rather than a bass.

Looks like Adrian to me..




Also, with Stars, the whole band was invited to participate, but they were at the end of a two week break in the World Slavery Tour after returning from Australia.  The recording of Stars happened 2-3 days before Maiden resumed the tour in Portland, Maine, and it was only really feasible for Dave and Adrian to fly in and fly out of Los Angeles (I believe in the same day) and pop in the studio for an hour or two, so they came up with the harmony bits during the recording of the main tracks.


(https://c.tenor.com/-Dsa9P26eyIAAAAC/dana-carvey-johnny-carson.gif)


Cool. Yeah, you would think Bruce would've been included in the vocal.

I saw them a 10 days after that Portland show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2021, 10:53:24 AM
With Dream Theater, the technicalities of their music make it more difficult to jump around on stage. I don't see the need for it, the music speaks for itself.  Jordan occasionally brings out the keytar so he can come up front and rock out, and him and JP do some unison, even Myung joins in on that. JLB moves around but doesn't overdo it.  DT's stage act is just fine to me. At least you could see MP or MM, whereas Nicko is buried behind the kit.  :lol
Bruce Dickinson is just a freak of nature and is a lot more athletic than most performers.

Not physically possible. It's like pouring water on yourself to dry off.  Or putting things in the freezer to bake.

(https://i.imgur.com/HaiKUMY.jpg)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 15, 2021, 11:01:41 AM
Regarding the onstage antics. I saw Maiden here in Dallas in 1999 at the long defunct Bronco Bowl. Virtual XI was the latest studio album and I think they were touring for the Ed Hunter game which may have not even been released at that point. I went into that show clueless with some friends who simply wanted to see "Iron Maiden". No one know who was in the band. Hell, I still thought Blaze was still their singer and was still pretty casual in my fandom myself.

So you can imagine my surprise when Maiden took the stage and there was Bruce fronting the band! I was completely shocked and had no clue that he had rejoined. What a cool way to find out that Bruce was back! Plus they had three guitarists. This also perplexed me. I thought Maiden only had two guitarists? As a casual Maiden fan, I did not know the guitarists names or who did what. I did notice that one guitarist spent like 70% of the show spinning his guitar around his head (probably exaggerating the way memory cheats). But the music and performance was awesome. They played almost all of the Ed Hunter greatest hits package so the set was killer. This performance left a big impact on my friends who loved all the rock'n'roll spectacle stuff. They absolutely loved Janick spinning his guitar! Well the same group of us went to see Maiden again in 2010 for the TFF tour hoping to relive the experience, and as you could guess everyone in our group pretty much hated the show. Probably mostly due to the set list of newer material. But I remember the distinct disappointment from my friends (again these are casual music listeners) that "the guitarist" wasn't spinning his guitar enough :lol  (like he was at that impressionable performance 10 years earlier). Our comedy quote of that evening: "They no longer gallop. They only march." 

I've been trying to understand all this in hindsight. My guess is when Adrian came back that immediately plugged a hole freeing Janick up to do whatever he pleases on stage (so he was basically a 5th wheel for much of that '99 show of mostly older pre-90s material). However, as time went by, Maiden had more of a chance to work together and to really integrate the 3 guitar thing to all their past songs. Maybe on the Ed Hunter tour the merger was too fresh, so depending on the song one of the guitarists was surplus to requirements. I've also had a chance to go back and review that 2010 setlist to try to understand why it was so lacking in up tempo numbers. Let's just say you have to be a big fan of BNW, DoD and AMoLaD to like that setlist.

Anyhow, guitar dancing aside, the pyrotechnics will always get the biggest applause at any live shows..be it Kiss, Rush, etc... It's probably part of our monkey DNA.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2021, 11:03:04 AM

There are some pretty amazing songs on it, both long and short. The one thing that holds it back a little for me is how it starts. The title track...I don't enjoy it much. And while the Satellite 15 intro is interesting, the whole thing makes for a good chunk of running time at the very beginning that is just kinda there. El Dorado is ok -  not great, but fun enough. All in all, not an exciting start.



I thought the intro was an amazing and fresh way to start an Iron Maiden album. My only complaint is that I wish they had split S-15 and the title track into different tracks so I could skip it if I wanted too.

And El Dorado would've made more sense thematically and stylistically as the second track of The Book Of Souls, whereas Speed Of Light would've fit in much better on TFF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 15, 2021, 11:09:13 AM

There are some pretty amazing songs on it, both long and short. The one thing that holds it back a little for me is how it starts. The title track...I don't enjoy it much. And while the Satellite 15 intro is interesting, the whole thing makes for a good chunk of running time at the very beginning that is just kinda there. El Dorado is ok -  not great, but fun enough. All in all, not an exciting start.


I thought the intro was an amazing and fresh way to start an Iron Maiden album. My only complaint is that I wish they had split S-15 and the title track into different tracks so I could skip it if I wanted too.

And El Dorado would've made more sense thematically and stylistically as the second track of The Book Of Souls, whereas Speed Of Light would've fit in much better on TFF.

It's a weird change when they go into The Final Frontier after Satellite 15. It's not terrible or anything but it just doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 15, 2021, 11:22:40 AM

I thought the intro was an amazing and fresh way to start an Iron Maiden album. My only complaint is that I wish they had split S-15 and the title track into different tracks so I could skip it if I wanted too.

And El Dorado would've made more sense thematically and stylistically as the second track of The Book Of Souls, whereas Speed Of Light would've fit in much better on TFF.

Absolutely yes to both.

Further thoughts on TFF the album: When the Wind Blows and The Talisman are (rightly) often mentioned as centerpieces...but another song I greatly enjoy is Starblind. Such a cool vibe. And The Alchemist is one of my favorite shorter songs of the reunion era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 15, 2021, 11:34:05 AM
S-15 is probably the #1 reason I fell in love with TFF. That has got to be the coolest opener in Maiden’s entire catalog.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2021, 11:39:21 AM

There are some pretty amazing songs on it, both long and short. The one thing that holds it back a little for me is how it starts. The title track...I don't enjoy it much. And while the Satellite 15 intro is interesting, the whole thing makes for a good chunk of running time at the very beginning that is just kinda there. El Dorado is ok -  not great, but fun enough. All in all, not an exciting start.



I thought the intro was an amazing and fresh way to start an Iron Maiden album. My only complaint is that I wish they had split S-15 and the title track into different tracks so I could skip it if I wanted too.

And El Dorado would've made more sense thematically and stylistically as the second track of The Book Of Souls, whereas Speed Of Light would've fit in much better on TFF.

Yup on both points.  I HATE how S15 isn't it's own track.  Seperated gives it that space to be an "opener" but as the same track it feels like it's the first song and I just don't personally view S15 as a song (yes, I know it is technically) but as an opener.  As an opener, it's pretty cool and definitely unique for IM.  As a song, it's really not my thing pairing it with TFF.  TFF itself is a decent song.  This may just be a problem with how my brain handles this, but TFF album as a whole would greatly benefit from splitting these two tracks IMO.

Also, The Talisman is my favorite on TFF.  In fact, I'd say the songs they performed from TFF at En Vivo are the best tracks.  I feel like that's a rare opinion for me as they often choose to not play songs I really enjoy. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 15, 2021, 11:57:16 AM
S-15 is probably the #1 reason I fell in love with TFF. That has got to be the coolest opener in Maiden’s entire catalog.

Yes, it's a super-cool opener...but then what do you think of the Final Frontier part of that track?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2021, 12:04:31 PM
S-15 is probably the #1 reason I fell in love with TFF. That has got to be the coolest opener in Maiden’s entire catalog.

I'm with you on that.  I love it.  TFF has aged very well for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2021, 12:05:43 PM

There are some pretty amazing songs on it, both long and short. The one thing that holds it back a little for me is how it starts. The title track...I don't enjoy it much. And while the Satellite 15 intro is interesting, the whole thing makes for a good chunk of running time at the very beginning that is just kinda there. El Dorado is ok -  not great, but fun enough. All in all, not an exciting start.



I thought the intro was an amazing and fresh way to start an Iron Maiden album. My only complaint is that I wish they had split S-15 and the title track into different tracks so I could skip it if I wanted too.

And El Dorado would've made more sense thematically and stylistically as the second track of The Book Of Souls, whereas Speed Of Light would've fit in much better on TFF.

Yup on both points.  I HATE how S15 isn't it's own track.  Seperated gives it that space to be an "opener" but as the same track it feels like it's the first song and I just don't personally view S15 as a song (yes, I know it is technically) but as an opener.  As an opener, it's pretty cool and definitely unique for IM.  As a song, it's really not my thing pairing it with TFF.  TFF itself is a decent song.  This may just be a problem with how my brain handles this, but TFF album as a whole would greatly benefit from splitting these two tracks IMO.

Also, The Talisman is my favorite on TFF.  In fact, I'd say the songs they performed from TFF at En Vivo are the best tracks.  I feel like that's a rare opinion for me as they often choose to not play songs I really enjoy.

En Vivo is a solid live record.  One of my favorites in the Maiden catalogue.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 15, 2021, 01:05:46 PM

I thought the intro was an amazing and fresh way to start an Iron Maiden album. My only complaint is that I wish they had split S-15 and the title track into different tracks so I could skip it if I wanted too.

And El Dorado would've made more sense thematically and stylistically as the second track of The Book Of Souls, whereas Speed Of Light would've fit in much better on TFF.

Absolutely yes to both.

Further thoughts on TFF the album: When the Wind Blows and The Talisman are (rightly) often mentioned as centerpieces...but another song I greatly enjoy is Starblind. Such a cool vibe. And The Alchemist is one of my favorite shorter songs of the reunion era.

I tend to just play the four tracks from The Alchemist through to a the Talisman and I LOVE those. CH and TMWWBK are good too but not quite as good. The rest is fine. Doesn't suck but doesn't rock either. Solid record with really high highs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 15, 2021, 01:33:06 PM
That Guitar for the Practicing Musician edition is pretty rare.  It also amuses me that it features Dave and Adrian, but the photo is Dave and Steve, and Steve is holding a guitar, rather than a bass.

Looks like Adrian to me..


The small version looks for all the world like Steve, but I enlarged it a bunch, and now I'm not so sure.  Obviously, that would make more sense.  :lol  Unfortunately, I don't have that issue, so I can't check it that way.  It's a little more clear here:  https://reverb.com/item/5269856-guitar-for-the-practicing-musician-january-1985-iron-maiden-on-the-cover

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2021, 01:42:23 PM
I'm a sucker for Janick's playing, so I don't really get the hate that pops up from time to time. Then again, I joined the Iron Maiden party in 2003, so he was well established in the band by then. Many of the things I love the most in the band, like the climactic solos in Blood Brothers, Rainmaker, and The Red and the Black wouldn't be the same without him – and I do appreciate that he's willing to get noisy with his solos from time to time. Maybe it's an acquired taste, but I would definitely miss him were he not in the band.

I do think it's special that the three guitarists are so distinct in terms of timbre, composition, and approaches to soloing that you can (mostly) tell who's playing without seeing footage.

Rainmaker is all Dave mate.

Not all, man – I mean the part where they're all harmonizing before the chorus kicks back in. I don't think that's all Dave multitracking himself, and the way at his and Janick's sounds mesh in that part is pretty grand (maybe Adrian's playing along in that part too, though I think he does the rhythm part live).

Well, obviously Maidens harmonies are a given that it's at least a couple of them playing.  You said solos though, hence my comment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2021, 01:42:49 PM
That Guitar for the Practicing Musician edition is pretty rare.  It also amuses me that it features Dave and Adrian, but the photo is Dave and Steve, and Steve is holding a guitar, rather than a bass.

Looks like Adrian to me..


The small version looks for all the world like Steve, but I enlarged it a bunch, and now I'm not so sure.  Obviously, that would make more sense.  :lol  Unfortunately, I don't have that issue, so I can't check it that way.  It's a little more clear here:  https://reverb.com/item/5269856-guitar-for-the-practicing-musician-january-1985-iron-maiden-on-the-cover


THAT'S ADRIAN!! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 15, 2021, 01:42:56 PM
That Guitar for the Practicing Musician edition is pretty rare.  It also amuses me that it features Dave and Adrian, but the photo is Dave and Steve, and Steve is holding a guitar, rather than a bass.

Looks like Adrian to me..


The small version looks for all the world like Steve, but I enlarged it a bunch, and now I'm not so sure.  Obviously, that would make more sense.  :lol  Unfortunately, I don't have that issue, so I can't check it that way.  It's a little more clear here:  https://reverb.com/item/5269856-guitar-for-the-practicing-musician-january-1985-iron-maiden-on-the-cover

That's definitely Smith.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2021, 01:43:50 PM
Why would Steve be on a guitar magazine holding a guitar when it says Adrian Smith on the left hand side!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 15, 2021, 06:18:23 PM
I'm definitely not one of those who feel a need to listen to something because it's from a famous and established band.

Just to illustrate: I've never listened to Van Halen's Different Kind of Truth, I haven't listened to AC/DC's Power Up, I haven't listened to Helloween's new one yet....  :lol

In case you care, ADKOT was my album of the year in 2012, and I rate it higher than most of the Sammy stuff.  That's a SOLID record.

ADKOT is an EXCELLENT album, even if a bit bloated, but still 8 or 9 songs deep. Power Up ..it's AC/DC. It's a nice listen, and you have to look at it as "It's all gravy at this point" with it.
The new Helloween is AMAZING!

Stadler and TAC  :tup

It is possible that at some point I will return more attention to VH's discography. I know DLR records well, but Van Hagar is practically unheard of for me, YEARS I HAVE NOT LISTENED TO ANYTHING. The truth is I've never been a big fan of VH.

I've listened to Helloween a lot when I was a teenager. Probably the records I listened to the most are The Time of the Oath (my favorite) and The Dark Ride. I don't know why, but then I stopped listening to them. I don't remember if I've ever listened to Rabbit Don't Come Easy, but I'm pretty sure I've never listened to any of the following albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 15, 2021, 06:57:50 PM
Regarding the onstage antics. I saw Maiden here in Dallas in 1999 at the long defunct Bronco Bowl. Virtual XI was the latest studio album and I think they were touring for the Ed Hunter game which may have not even been released at that point. I went into that show clueless with some friends who simply wanted to see "Iron Maiden". No one know who was in the band. Hell, I still thought Blaze was still their singer and was still pretty casual in my fandom myself.

So you can imagine my surprise when Maiden took the stage and there was Bruce fronting the band! I was completely shocked and had no clue that he had rejoined. What a cool way to find out that Bruce was back! Plus they had three guitarists. This also perplexed me. I thought Maiden only had two guitarists? As a casual Maiden fan, I did not know the guitarists names or who did what. I did notice that one guitarist spent like 70% of the show spinning his guitar around his head (probably exaggerating the way memory cheats). But the music and performance was awesome. They played almost all of the Ed Hunter greatest hits package so the set was killer. This performance left a big impact on my friends who loved all the rock'n'roll spectacle stuff. They absolutely loved Janick spinning his guitar! Well the same group of us went to see Maiden again in 2010 for the TFF tour hoping to relive the experience, and as you could guess everyone in our group pretty much hated the show. Probably mostly due to the set list of newer material. But I remember the distinct disappointment from my friends (again these are casual music listeners) that "the guitarist" wasn't spinning his guitar enough :lol  (like he was at that impressionable performance 10 years earlier). Our comedy quote of that evening: "They no longer gallop. They only march." 

I've been trying to understand all this in hindsight. My guess is when Adrian came back that immediately plugged a hole freeing Janick up to do whatever he pleases on stage (so he was basically a 5th wheel for much of that '99 show of mostly older pre-90s material). However, as time went by, Maiden had more of a chance to work together and to really integrate the 3 guitar thing to all their past songs. Maybe on the Ed Hunter tour the merger was too fresh, so depending on the song one of the guitarists was surplus to requirements. I've also had a chance to go back and review that 2010 setlist to try to understand why it was so lacking in up tempo numbers. Let's just say you have to be a big fan of BNW, DoD and AMoLaD to like that setlist.

Anyhow, guitar dancing aside, the pyrotechnics will always get the biggest applause at any live shows..be it Kiss, Rush, etc... It's probably part of our monkey DNA.

Very cool post.  :tup

That Guitar for the Practicing Musician edition is pretty rare.  It also amuses me that it features Dave and Adrian, but the photo is Dave and Steve, and Steve is holding a guitar, rather than a bass.

Looks like Adrian to me..


The small version looks for all the world like Steve, but I enlarged it a bunch, and now I'm not so sure.  Obviously, that would make more sense.  :lol  Unfortunately, I don't have that issue, so I can't check it that way.  It's a little more clear here:  https://reverb.com/item/5269856-guitar-for-the-practicing-musician-january-1985-iron-maiden-on-the-cover


THAT'S ADRIAN!! :lol
That Guitar for the Practicing Musician edition is pretty rare.  It also amuses me that it features Dave and Adrian, but the photo is Dave and Steve, and Steve is holding a guitar, rather than a bass.

Looks like Adrian to me..


The small version looks for all the world like Steve, but I enlarged it a bunch, and now I'm not so sure.  Obviously, that would make more sense.  :lol  Unfortunately, I don't have that issue, so I can't check it that way.  It's a little more clear here:  https://reverb.com/item/5269856-guitar-for-the-practicing-musician-january-1985-iron-maiden-on-the-cover

That's definitely Smith.
Why would Steve be on a guitar magazine holding a guitar when it says Adrian Smith on the left hand side!  :lol

:rollin

But I 'm with pg1067, at first glance I also thought that was Steve.   :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 15, 2021, 11:14:38 PM
You can add me to the pile on :lol

I thought it looked like Steve from a distance but it's definitely Adrian with Steve's hair in the larger version.

Here we go, not that anybody cares about these lists:

Brave New World
Senjutsu
Dance of Death
A Matter of Life and Death
The Book of Souls
The Final Frontier

Slightly surprises me that I've now put A Matter of Life and Death above The Book of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 16, 2021, 01:32:09 AM
I can't really rank them, they're all so good that the quality is all there, and the differences in overall quality are so minor that no way the album I'd put last is six albums behind the first one.

I mean, if I put No Prayer well below Piece of Mind, Seventh Son and 666 it's a fair ranking, putting, say, Final Frontier behind Book of Souls, Dance of Death and Senjutsu is not fair.

Maybe I could sum up what I love in few words...

BNW = great comeback, maybe a bit safe
DOD = great personal memories, insanely high points, a couple of throwaway tracks
Matter = grew over time, all tracks are great, can't complain but after having DOD so much the difference is there
FF = same template of songs as Matter, overall enjoyable but more of the same
BoS = awesome and daring, felt a bit fresh, some utter masterpieces and some lesser songs
Senjutsu = once again, it suffers from 6 years of having loved the previous one but it's a grower. Very enjoyable experience. The "same ol' tricks" however are more evident than ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 16, 2021, 10:37:15 AM
Regarding the onstage antics. I saw Maiden here in Dallas in 1999 at the long defunct Bronco Bowl. Virtual XI was the latest studio album and I think they were touring for the Ed Hunter game which may have not even been released at that point. I went into that show clueless with some friends who simply wanted to see "Iron Maiden". No one know who was in the band. Hell, I still thought Blaze was still their singer and was still pretty casual in my fandom myself.

So you can imagine my surprise when Maiden took the stage and there was Bruce fronting the band! I was completely shocked and had no clue that he had rejoined. What a cool way to find out that Bruce was back! Plus they had three guitarists. This also perplexed me. I thought Maiden only had two guitarists? As a casual Maiden fan, I did not know the guitarists names or who did what. I did notice that one guitarist spent like 70% of the show spinning his guitar around his head (probably exaggerating the way memory cheats). But the music and performance was awesome. They played almost all of the Ed Hunter greatest hits package so the set was killer. This performance left a big impact on my friends who loved all the rock'n'roll spectacle stuff. They absolutely loved Janick spinning his guitar! Well the same group of us went to see Maiden again in 2010 for the TFF tour hoping to relive the experience, and as you could guess everyone in our group pretty much hated the show. Probably mostly due to the set list of newer material. But I remember the distinct disappointment from my friends (again these are casual music listeners) that "the guitarist" wasn't spinning his guitar enough :lol  (like he was at that impressionable performance 10 years earlier). Our comedy quote of that evening: "They no longer gallop. They only march." 

I've been trying to understand all this in hindsight. My guess is when Adrian came back that immediately plugged a hole freeing Janick up to do whatever he pleases on stage (so he was basically a 5th wheel for much of that '99 show of mostly older pre-90s material). However, as time went by, Maiden had more of a chance to work together and to really integrate the 3 guitar thing to all their past songs. Maybe on the Ed Hunter tour the merger was too fresh, so depending on the song one of the guitarists was surplus to requirements. I've also had a chance to go back and review that 2010 setlist to try to understand why it was so lacking in up tempo numbers. Let's just say you have to be a big fan of BNW, DoD and AMoLaD to like that setlist.

Anyhow, guitar dancing aside, the pyrotechnics will always get the biggest applause at any live shows..be it Kiss, Rush, etc... It's probably part of our monkey DNA.

Very cool post.  :tup

Thanks for taking the time to read!  :)

I've been meaning to share the experience of my 1st Maiden show for some time now, but could never quite find the right words to make such an inherently long and tedious post. This whole old vs. new fan thing provides the perfect context.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 16, 2021, 09:20:36 PM
Can we get some love for Nicko? I'm not a person who focuses a lot on drumming, but I really like a lot of his work on this album, and it feels like he's by far the least-discussed member of the band. His playing on the title track really stood out to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 16, 2021, 09:52:10 PM
Can we get some love for Nicko? I'm not a person who focuses a lot on drumming, but I really like a lot of his work on this album, and it feels like he's by far the least-discussed member of the band. His playing on the title track really stood out to me.

Just a beast.  His tempos especially on this album seem tight as hell.  I thought he has been a little sloppy on the last couple but this one he's on point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 17, 2021, 12:13:05 AM
Can we get some love for Nicko? I'm not a person who focuses a lot on drumming, but I really like a lot of his work on this album, and it feels like he's by far the least-discussed member of the band. His playing on the title track really stood out to me.

Just a beast.  His tempos especially on this album seem tight as hell.  I thought he has been a little sloppy on the last couple but this one he's on point.

Exactly. I've found him a bit frustrating since AMOLAD but he's SO good on this one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2021, 12:38:08 AM
A lot of care has been taken on this one in regards to timings and tempos and transitions between sections.  There has been some suspect transitions previously but this is the tightest the band has sounded together for a while.  Nicko stepping up his game is obviously the main reason.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2021, 04:21:20 AM
Hmmm......the 2 minute to 7 minute section of Hell on Earth is 5 of the best minutes of music this band has ever come up with.  It's incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 17, 2021, 04:39:11 AM
Hmmm......the 2 minute to 7 minute section of Hell on Earth is 5 of the best minutes of music this band has ever come up with.  It's incredible.

Indeed, imagine if it was a shorter and punchier song, a kickass closer in the vein of Only the Good Die Young.

I mean, the song works good also with the long intro and the quiet outro, but if it was all fast it would have been way memorable and a surprise, considering how they always have the "final epic" on their albums.

Anyway, the final three songs are all good, they're not a 30 minutes slug impossible to get through.

Death of the Celts is fun and catchy, Parchment is absolutely insane, and Hell on Earth is bombastic and ends the album on a high note (pity for the quiet outro, also When the Wild Wind Blows had this problem of blowing out its load early and have the best parts of the song too soon, in WTWWB's case basically at the beginning).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2021, 05:15:03 AM
I don't know, I get what you mean but I think it's quite perfect how it is.  The quiet intro certainly doesn't feel like 2 minutes and 10 whatever seconds.  I'm not it would have the same impact as a short 5 minute song.

Parchment is just unbelievable.  That has potential to make a top 20 Maiden list already for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 17, 2021, 06:50:36 AM
Nicko said in a recent interview with Chris Jericho, that the title track (Senjutsu) was very challenging for him to play on the drums.  He explained that it was a style he never played before and that he really struggled to iron out all the parts before recording it in the studio.
I love the drums in that song, and the entire album as well. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 17, 2021, 07:25:01 AM
I've warmed up more to this album the last week. Hell On Earth is the standout track for me at this point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 17, 2021, 07:32:57 AM
Nicko said in a recent interview with Chris Jericho, that the title track (Senjutsu) was very challenging for him to play on the drums.  He explained that it was a style he never played before and that he really struggled to iron out all the parts before recording it in the studio.
I love the drums in that song, and the entire album as well.

Interesting that he mentioned that one specifically, because that's exactly the vibe I got—that it was something new that he pulled off really well.

I agree with wolfking that the band feels really tight on this one, with Nicko being a big part of that.


Parchment is just unbelievable.  That has potential to make a top 20 Maiden list already for me.

Absolutely with you there. It's such a beautifully composed piece.

Reading some of the disagreements, here and elsewhere online, between reunion era fans and older fans who criticize this album, among other things, for being too repetitive, I'm starting think one of the strengths of reunion-era Maiden songwriting is repetition with slight variation. They're getting all the emotional power out of each melodic idea. It's something that they (particularly Steve) started really using a lot on TXF and especially VXI, and it was a bit more obvious and awkward on those early albums, where he'd often just repeat a chorus a bunch of times. But on the last few albums I think it's been pulled off very artfully.

To me, it's really wonderful—each one of these long songs is an experience; it feels like each idea is given its space and time to develop and have its full impact. But I understand that's not something that appeals to everyone, and it's a completely different sort of approach than the one that makes Aces High or The Trooper great songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 17, 2021, 08:04:38 AM
I've started skipping The Darkest Hour   :o

It's very well executed but I don't really get the lyrics (except that its a reference to Churchill and WW2) and it's v slow.

I don't feel like skipping any other tracks, but yeah. That.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 17, 2021, 09:14:35 AM
I just don't get the Jupiter part and being naked, for the rest, it's quite clearly about Churchill.

First stanza is probably the disaster at Dunkirk; then the second verse is Churchill lamenting against the appeasing policy and how he knew Hitler was bad news.
The bridge is about resisting for six years (1939-1945) and the verse after the chorus is about resisting and fighting for England.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 17, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
I just don't get the Jupiter part and being naked, for the rest, it's quite clearly about Churchill.

First stanza is probably the disaster at Dunkirk; then the second verse is Churchill lamenting against the appeasing policy and how he knew Hitler was bad news.
The bridge is about resisting for six years (1939-1945) and the verse after the chorus is about resisting and fighting for England.

It's the chorus I don't get. I think black dog and Jupiter are references to depression.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 17, 2021, 10:36:58 AM
Jupiter - the planet (as opposed to the God) - goes into retrograde in late June.  D-Day was June 6, and the couple weeks after were the tipping point of the war to many.  I don't know if that's an exact lineup, but that could be part of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 17, 2021, 11:44:01 AM
I just don't get the Jupiter part and being naked, for the rest, it's quite clearly about Churchill.

First stanza is probably the disaster at Dunkirk; then the second verse is Churchill lamenting against the appeasing policy and how he knew Hitler was bad news.
The bridge is about resisting for six years (1939-1945) and the verse after the chorus is about resisting and fighting for England.

It's the chorus I don't get. I think black dog and Jupiter are references to depression.

"Every dog has its day" is an expression about how everyone gets a lucky day sooner or later, dunno why it's black....

BTW I remember in an interview Bruce describing the song and how Churchill, with all his flaws, was stedfast against the nazi menace, and he was like Gandalf - "you shall not pass!", so he actually did sneak a Lord of the Rings quote into the lyrics  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2021, 11:46:12 AM
I've started skipping The Darkest Hour   :o

It's very well executed but I don't really get the lyrics (except that its a reference to Churchill and WW2) and it's v slow.

I don't feel like skipping any other tracks, but yeah. That.

WOW!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 17, 2021, 12:09:17 PM
It's the chorus I don't get. I think black dog and Jupiter are references to depression.

"Every dog has its day" is an expression about how everyone gets a lucky day sooner or later, dunno why it's black....

BTW I remember in an interview Bruce describing the song and how Churchill, with all his flaws, was stedfast against the nazi menace, and he was like Gandalf - "you shall not pass!", so he actually did sneak a Lord of the Rings quote into the lyrics  :D

The black dog is definitely a reference to depression. That's what Churchill called it. Bruce mentioned this in an interview.

And Darkest Hour is one of the best songs on the album, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 17, 2021, 12:09:54 PM
I just don't get the Jupiter part and being naked, for the rest, it's quite clearly about Churchill.

First stanza is probably the disaster at Dunkirk; then the second verse is Churchill lamenting against the appeasing policy and how he knew Hitler was bad news.
The bridge is about resisting for six years (1939-1945) and the verse after the chorus is about resisting and fighting for England.

It's the chorus I don't get. I think black dog and Jupiter are references to depression.

"Every dog has its day" is an expression about how everyone gets a lucky day sooner or later, dunno why it's black....

BTW I remember in an interview Bruce describing the song and how Churchill, with all his flaws, was stedfast against the nazi menace, and he was like Gandalf - "you shall not pass!", so he actually did sneak a Lord of the Rings quote into the lyrics  :D

I read somewhere that "black dog" was a euphemism for Churchill's depression/depressive moods.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 17, 2021, 12:37:34 PM
"black dog" is definitely a reference to depression. Jupiter isn't. I was thinking of Neptune.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 17, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
A lot of care has been taken on this one in regards to timings and tempos and transitions between sections.  There has been some suspect transitions previously but this is the tightest the band has sounded together for a while.  Nicko stepping up his game is obviously the main reason.

Couldn't have said it better. It's part of what's making this album stand out so much for me.

[...]
Reading some of the disagreements, here and elsewhere online, between reunion era fans and older fans who criticize this album, among other things, for being too repetitive, I'm starting think one of the strengths of reunion-era Maiden songwriting is repetition with slight variation. They're getting all the emotional power out of each melodic idea. It's something that they (particularly Steve) started really using a lot on TXF and especially VXI, and it was a bit more obvious and awkward on those early albums, where he'd often just repeat a chorus a bunch of times. But on the last few albums I think it's been pulled off very artfully.

To me, it's really wonderful—each one of these long songs is an experience; it feels like each idea is given its space and time to develop and have its full impact. But I understand that's not something that appeals to everyone, and it's a completely different sort of approach than the one that makes Aces High or The Trooper great songs.

This is a great way to look at it, and I think the comment about how it's a different approach from the earlier stuff is very valid. I think "repetition with slight variation" is part of what makes a song like No More Lies or For the Greater Good of God so cool to me; they really explore different moods with these tunes and deliver on their potential.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on September 17, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
Finally giving the new album a first listen. Wish me luck.  :metal

I'm trying not to think about the fact that this music was recorded almost 3 years before it got released..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on September 17, 2021, 01:42:48 PM
Well, it's definitely another post-Reunion Iron Maiden album.
Not a bad thing, just exactly what I expected.

2nd disc seems better. In fact, "just another post Reunion album" doesn't quite fit for disc 2. Some nice surprises in there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2021, 02:10:26 PM
Going back to Nicko for a second. I think he has been FANTASTIC throughout the Reunion Era. I feel the entire band upped their game for the Reunion Era, and Nicko absolutely has.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2021, 02:28:37 PM
Speaking of No More Lies, that song instantly sprung to mind when I first heard LIALW.  Still does.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2021, 02:29:26 PM
I love No More Lies.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2021, 02:30:49 PM
I appreciated the pure simplicity of that song.  Great mood too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2021, 03:03:21 PM
Hmmm......the 2 minute to 7 minute section of Hell on Earth is 5 of the best minutes of music this band has ever come up with.  It's incredible.

I agree. And they only play that chorus once!! ;D

The Reunion Era is filled with sections like this, and it's why IRON MAIDEN RULES!!

The Parchment from 6:45 on..   "Meet me tttttthhhhhhhhhheeeeeeerrrrrrrrrreeeeeeee"!
The Thin Line Between Love And Hate...the last 4+ minutes
The Nomad...4:30-7:45
The Red And The Black...5:00-12:30
Empire Of The Clouds..The whole fucking thing!


The Reunion Era albums are jacked with great songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 17, 2021, 03:23:11 PM
I love No More Lies.

No More Lies is one that's really grown on me just in the last few years. I think that, like a lot of people, I got hung up on the repetition of the title, and didn't fully appreciate the beauty of the full song. But it's a really lovely, melodic song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 17, 2021, 03:28:50 PM
For the most part, Dickinson sounds pretty good on Senjutsu but The Writing on The Wall...ouch.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2021, 06:43:08 PM
Phenomenal footage of The Book Of Souls live.

https://youtu.be/5MbBopUzw1c?t=73
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2021, 07:04:06 PM
Here is a picture of me and my youngest son taken on 7/19/17 before Iron Maiden took the stage on the Book Of Souls tour.

(https://i.imgur.com/Zr1zDRA.jpg)

He is sporting my No Prayer For New York event shirt with the WTC (I saw them at Brendan Byrne). I have my Fear Of The Dark tour shirt.
He's 14 in this pic, which is notable because I was 14 when I saw Iron Maiden for the first time...in 1983. Of course I didn't go with my Dad!
He was generally interested in the experience, and really took one for his mother.  :lol
He's not a fan, but was highly impressed by Bruce.

* Photo by Kingshmegland.



(https://i.imgur.com/UxnpBP6.jpg?1)

* Photo by TAC
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 17, 2021, 07:16:10 PM
He is sporting my No Prayer For New York event shirt with the WTC (I saw them at Brendan Byrne).

Only a local NJ guy would know what this is these days, very cool though  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2021, 07:21:07 PM
He is sporting my No Prayer For New York event shirt with the WTC (I saw them at Brendan Byrne).

Only a local NJ guy would know what this is these days, very cool though  :metal

My college roommate lived in Wayne NJ, so we always planned visits around concerts. I saw a bunch of shows at the Meadowlands, and in the NY area. Saw Metallica on the Justice tour in '89 there too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2021, 07:35:13 PM
That's a class photo of you and your boy Tim.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2021, 07:37:06 PM
Thank you, brother!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 17, 2021, 07:37:53 PM
He is sporting my No Prayer For New York event shirt with the WTC (I saw them at Brendan Byrne).

Only a local NJ guy would know what this is these days, very cool though  :metal

My college roommate lived in Wayne NJ, so we always planned visits around concerts. I saw a bunch of shows at the Meadowlands, and in the NY area. Saw Metallica on the Justice tour in '89 there too.

Saw Iron Maiden a couple times there, but always as "Izod Center" including the full AMOLAD performance in 2006 and the ROTAM performance from Flight 666. I've seen many Devils and Nets games as Brendan Byrnes
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2021, 07:43:33 PM
He is sporting my No Prayer For New York event shirt with the WTC (I saw them at Brendan Byrne).

Only a local NJ guy would know what this is these days, very cool though  :metal

My college roommate lived in Wayne NJ, so we always planned visits around concerts. I saw a bunch of shows at the Meadowlands, and in the NY area. Saw Metallica on the Justice tour in '89 there too.

Saw Iron Maiden a couple times there, but always as "Izod Center" including the full AMOLAD performance in 2006 and the ROTAM performance from Flight 666. I've seen many Devils and Nets games as Brendan Byrnes

For some reason I didn't see Maiden in '88 there. My friend called me after the show. He came up here and saw them in Providence with me, and I went solo to the Worcester show.

I also saw the Operation Rock n Roll tour in '91 there featuring Judas Priest/Alice Cooper/Motorhead/Metal Church/Dangerous Toys.

Saw Monsters Of Rock (VH, Scorps, Dokken, Metallica, KC) at Giants Stadium in '88, Metallica on Long Island in '91 and Maiden (and DT!) at the Ritz in '92 during those visits.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 17, 2021, 10:20:19 PM
I'm listening to En Vivo right now and I just wanted to say that the version of The Talisman is amazing.  :metal

EDIT: :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 17, 2021, 10:25:27 PM
So nice, you said it twice! :lol

I agree, that performance is wonderful. It's what finally got me to fall in love with the song. Not that I didn't like it before, but I was focused on Avalon, Starblind and Wild Wind, and hadn't been paying The Talisman its due until I saw this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 17, 2021, 10:30:32 PM
So nice, you said it twice! :lol

I agree, that performance is wonderful. It's what finally got me to fall in love with the song. Not that I didn't like it before, but I was focused on Avalon, Starblind and Wild Wind, and hadn't been paying The Talisman its due until I saw this.

 :rollin

I wrote a larger comment, decided to delete and leave just that part. I copied and pasted twice  :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2021, 07:45:48 AM
What is the consensus on original singer Paul Di'Anno?  I gave the debut a spin from start to finish to kick off the Maiden run through a friend and I are doing, and found his singing pretty underwhelming.  Musically, the album was really good, but it felt like the majority of the songs were let down a bit by the vocals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 18, 2021, 07:53:57 AM
It's hard to put a finger on the general consensus. There's definitely a group of people who really like him, and some who really don't care for him. My guess is the majority position would be that he's a solid singer, but the band took a huge step forward vocally with Bruce.

That's basically my opinion. I think Paul did solid work, and he has a few performances that I find touching (Remember Tomorrow is the one that comes to mind), but I don't think I would have gotten into the band if Paul was always their singer (and I don't think they would have achieved nearly as much).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2021, 07:59:25 AM
Remember Tomorrow is one I liked quite a bit.

Phantom of the Opera is pretty bad ass, for sure.

Will need to spin it again to see if any others grab me more.  I liked certain things about every song, especially the intros.  They really did a good job on that first album of kicking songs off in a cool way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 18, 2021, 08:13:45 AM
I think Paul added a kind of rough, punkish feel to the first two albums with his vocals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2021, 09:10:42 AM
Remember Tomorrow is one I liked quite a bit.

Phantom of the Opera is pretty bad ass, for sure.

Will need to spin it again to see if any others grab me more.  I liked certain things about every song, especially the intros.  They really did a good job on that first album of kicking songs off in a cool way.

Those are easily the two best tracks. Phantom is a Top 10, maybe Top 5 Iron Maiden track for me.

There’s nothing as good as Phantom on Killers, but the songs and the vocals are much stronger.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 18, 2021, 09:16:55 AM
It's hard to put a finger on the general consensus. There's definitely a group of people who really like him, and some who really don't care for him. My guess is the majority position would be that he's a solid singer, but the band took a huge step forward vocally with Bruce.

Yeah, for what Maiden were doing at that time, in that East End scene and at the beginning of their carrer, Paul was basically perfect. But worldwide stardom could have come only with Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 18, 2021, 10:40:01 AM
I always liked Dianno's singing on the first two albums. I got into the band chronologically (besides Virtual XI) so I hadn't even heard the band with Dickinson until I got The Number of the Beast.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 18, 2021, 12:11:22 PM
I find Di'Anno to be just the right singer for Maiden's first two albums. Obviously, Dickinson was what they needed to bring it to the next level, beyond the confines of NWOBHM.

But there's such a charm to these two albums that really sets them apart from contemporaries of that scene, I think, and Di'Anno certainly has a big role in that. Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free, Phantom, Murders in the Rue Morgue, Killers, Purgatory (that's one of my sleeper favorites from the first two, actually)...he's just perfect in those...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2021, 03:58:00 PM
He is sounding better on the second listen, so it might just be a case of me having to get used to his voice.

Prowler is another highlight.  I really like that one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 18, 2021, 06:39:36 PM
I really enjoy Di'Anno's vocals on the two first albums... Really sad to listen to him nowadays. It's a bad sign when he does a solo concert and his band plays BOTH the Maiden instrumentals of the era (Transylvania AND Genghis Khan). Not to mention Blitzkrieg Bop as the chorus (nothing against the song, but it feels cheap coming from him).

Then again, he's either gone through enough misfortune or wrought said misfortune upon himself for me to be even bringing this late-period nonsense up  :lol

Did your version of the first album have Sanctuary as the second track, KevShmev? My version of the album (the 1998 remaster) from when I was a kid used to have it there, but now I see the 2015 remaster (and de facto version on streaming) omits Sanctuary in that position. Totally changes the flow of the thing, I feel.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zoom E on September 18, 2021, 06:45:23 PM
I’m very fond of Di’anno’s vocals, and the debut is my second favourite Maiden album (after The Number of the Beast).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 18, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
The way Paul shrieks on the title track "Killers" doesn't really remind me of anyone else. Maybe its slightly reminiscent of DLR yelps? I agree with everyone saying that Paul was a good fit for those 1st two records.

May just be me, but in a fight Genghis Khan wins over Transylvania. Love Clive's drumming on that tune.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2021, 06:59:49 PM
Wratchild??

(https://i.imgur.com/zBRnhVj.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 18, 2021, 07:03:18 PM
OMG I had to double check because I have the same version.  But that's totally what mine says too.  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 18, 2021, 07:03:49 PM
Wratchild??

(https://i.imgur.com/zBRnhVj.jpg)

Yes, Stephen Pearcy is the guest vocalist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2021, 07:05:07 PM
OMG I had to double check because I have the same version.  But that's totally what mine says too.  :rollin :rollin :rollin

Yeah, that's a scan of my copy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2021, 08:46:10 PM


Did your version of the first album have Sanctuary as the second track, KevShmev? My version of the album (the 1998 remaster) from when I was a kid used to have it there, but now I see the 2015 remaster (and de facto version on streaming) omits Sanctuary in that position. Totally changes the flow of the thing, I feel.

No, but I checked it out anyway. It was okay, but seemed a bit generic.  That and Charlotte the Harlot are the two I will likely not revisit again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 18, 2021, 08:49:08 PM
Didn't dislike it as such, far from it but am warming more to The Parchment now, its second half is superior so it was a little more effort required but that last few minutes is simply magnificent  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 19, 2021, 12:36:58 AM
See…and I grew up with the US version that placed Sanctuary before CTH. So I have trouble hearing it with the original UK track listing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 19, 2021, 04:03:18 AM
When I discovered Maiden, I can't quite remember where the first two albums came into my purchase history.  I knew the whole first album from the live releases so I think the debut was one of the last I got.  I never really listened to the debut that much.  I'll always usually take the various live versions, and the 88 versions of Charlotte and Prowler were very cool.  Strange World is beautiful though.

Killers was a different story.  I listened to that one a lot more.  I enjoyed the more punk qualities of that one.  Songs like Another Life, Innocent Exile, Purgatory were very different from what the band has ever done since, so it's a pretty good listen overall.  The title track, Rue Morgue and Wrathchild are classics too.  I'm not the biggest Paul fan, but really like him on this album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 19, 2021, 04:24:59 AM
Didn't dislike it as such, far from it but am warming more to The Parchment now, its second half is superior so it was a little more effort required but that last few minutes is simply magnificent  :metal

The Parchment has Bruce's best moments on the album for me. "Cry, we are ready to believe" and "Take me theeeeeeeeeere" are incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 19, 2021, 04:29:19 AM
Didn't dislike it as such, far from it but am warming more to The Parchment now, its second half is superior so it was a little more effort required but that last few minutes is simply magnificent  :metal

The Parchment has Bruce's best moments on the album for me. "Cry, we are ready to believe" and "Take me theeeeeeeeeere" are incredible.

Have you warmed more to the album mate since your first couple of listens?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 19, 2021, 05:23:45 AM
I think Hell on Earth has become my fav tune now.  Words can't describe how incredible this song is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 19, 2021, 07:22:19 AM
Didn't dislike it as such, far from it but am warming more to The Parchment now, its second half is superior so it was a little more effort required but that last few minutes is simply magnificent  :metal

The Parchment has Bruce's best moments on the album for me. "Cry, we are ready to believe" and "Take me theeeeeeeeeere" are incredible.

Have you warmed more to the album mate since your first couple of listens?

Not really, and I did try hard. But those two moments on The Parchment are cool, as are portions of Hell on Earth and the whole WOTW. Other than that, I still think this is a largely uneventful and unnecessary album. But will I be at the show when they play in my city?Yes! Will I spend my hard earned dollars on merch at the same show? Also yes!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on September 19, 2021, 10:52:44 AM
So, the CD I bought at Target with the lenticular cover and the booklet has a couple blank pages! Not that I care a lot, but annoying to be missing some lyrics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on September 19, 2021, 10:55:57 AM
So, the CD I bought at Target with the lenticular cover and the booklet has a couple blank pages! Not that I care a lot, but annoying to be missing some lyrics.

The band became aware of that issue and put the full booklet online for a free digital download.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 19, 2021, 11:55:52 AM
So, the CD I bought at Target with the lenticular cover and the booklet has a couple blank pages! Not that I care a lot, but annoying to be missing some lyrics.

You could jump on the back of this: https://box.ironmaiden.com/ Be quick, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 19, 2021, 12:13:02 PM
I love Killers. It's pretty much my favourite Maiden album joined with whichever one of NOTB/PW/SIT/SSOASS is flicking my switches that week.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2021, 12:14:28 PM
I love Killers. It's pretty much my favourite Maiden album joined with whichever one of NOTB/PW/SIT/SSOASS is flicking my switches that week.

Permanent Waves?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 19, 2021, 12:14:43 PM
So, the CD I bought at Target with the lenticular cover and the booklet has a couple blank pages! Not that I care a lot, but annoying to be missing some lyrics.

You could jump on the back of this: https://box.ironmaiden.com/ Be quick, though.

Thank you! 🙂
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 19, 2021, 12:26:22 PM



There’s nothing as good as Phantom on Killers, but the songs and the vocals are much stronger.

My first impression of Killer is not far from this. Seems like the highs on the debut are higher than anything on Killers.  I didn't think there was as much variety on the second album either outside of Prodigal Son, but that could just be my first impression.  Vocals seem better, yes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2021, 12:27:03 PM
Didn't dislike it as such, far from it but am warming more to The Parchment now, its second half is superior so it was a little more effort required but that last few minutes is simply magnificent  :metal

The Parchment has Bruce's best moments on the album for me. "Cry, we are ready to believe" and "Take me theeeeeeeeeere" are incredible.

Have you warmed more to the album mate since your first couple of listens?

Not really, and I did try hard. But those two moments on The Parchment are cool, as are portions of Hell on Earth and the whole WOTW. Other than that, I still think this is a largely uneventful and unnecessary album. But will I be at the show when they play in my city?Yes! Will I spend my hard earned dollars on merch at the same show? Also yes!

Wow, that's quite a statement. I mean, what album is necessary?

I will say that only one Reunion Era album grabbed me right away....TFF. This album has been almost as immediate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 19, 2021, 12:28:22 PM
I love Killers. It's pretty much my favourite Maiden album joined with whichever one of NOTB/PWPS/SIT/SSOASS is flicking my switches that week.

Permanent Waves?

 :lol Corrected. Thank you, sir.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 19, 2021, 12:47:29 PM
Didn't dislike it as such, far from it but am warming more to The Parchment now, its second half is superior so it was a little more effort required but that last few minutes is simply magnificent  :metal

The Parchment has Bruce's best moments on the album for me. "Cry, we are ready to believe" and "Take me theeeeeeeeeere" are incredible.

Have you warmed more to the album mate since your first couple of listens?

Not really, and I did try hard. But those two moments on The Parchment are cool, as are portions of Hell on Earth and the whole WOTW. Other than that, I still think this is a largely uneventful and unnecessary album. But will I be at the show when they play in my city?Yes! Will I spend my hard earned dollars on merch at the same show? Also yes!

Wow, that's quite a statement. I mean, what album is necessary?

I will say that only one Reunion Era album grabbed me right away....TFF. This album has been almost as immediate.

Glad you're enjoying it, man.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 19, 2021, 12:57:09 PM

There’s nothing as good as Phantom on Killers, but the songs and the vocals are much stronger.

My first impression of Killer is not far from this. Seems like the highs on the debut are higher than anything on Killers.  I didn't think there was as much variety on the second album either outside of Prodigal Son, but that could just be my first impression.  Vocals seem better, yes.

I (and Paul Di'anno, according to himself) think the debut is far superior to Killers. First time I heard Killers I was very disappointed, even because the debut is one of my favorite records.

Of IM's first 7 albums, Killers is certainly my least favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 19, 2021, 02:33:52 PM
One of the factors on Killers is that much of the album was written before the debut came out. They built up a pretty significant catalogue of songs during the 1975-79 period, and those songs are split between the first two albums. According to wiki, only Murders in the Rue Morgue and Prodigal Son were written new for Killers. That's why, to me, there's a real sense in which Killers feels like the "leftovers," although they obviously kept back some of their best songs for that album—Wrathchild, for instance.

On the other hand, Killers has Adrian Smith, which is significant.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 19, 2021, 03:01:28 PM
Didn't dislike it as such, far from it but am warming more to The Parchment now, its second half is superior so it was a little more effort required but that last few minutes is simply magnificent  :metal

The Parchment has Bruce's best moments on the album for me. "Cry, we are ready to believe" and "Take me theeeeeeeeeere" are incredible.

Have you warmed more to the album mate since your first couple of listens?

Not really, and I did try hard. But those two moments on The Parchment are cool, as are portions of Hell on Earth and the whole WOTW. Other than that, I still think this is a largely uneventful and unnecessary album. But will I be at the show when they play in my city?Yes! Will I spend my hard earned dollars on merch at the same show? Also yes!

That's a shame mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 19, 2021, 03:35:17 PM
One of the factors on Killers is that much of the album was written before the debut came out. They built up a pretty significant catalogue of songs during the 1975-79 period, and those songs are split between the first two albums. According to wiki, only Murders in the Rue Morgue and Prodigal Son were written new for Killers. That's why, to me, there's a real sense in which Killers feels like the "leftovers," although they obviously kept back some of their best songs for that album—Wrathchild, for instance.

On the other hand, Killers has Adrian Smith, which is significant.

That's really interesting. Didn't know that. I love it. It's punchy, fast, aggressive, the whole band are totally into it. It sounds amazing. The vocals are great. Start to end quality.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2021, 05:51:56 PM
So I finally had a Sun And Steel lager. I have heard that it wasn't that good, but I was able to buy a single can yesterday. I didn't love it, but I was expecting the worst. I made it through no problem. At least I now have the can added to my collection.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 19, 2021, 05:56:38 PM
Today I was listening to Senjutsu (again) and thinking that the two short songs on here (Stratego and DoFP) would rank pretty high for me in the reunion era.

It led me to figure out that you can split the reunion-era songs into three approximately equal groups of <6 minutes, 6-8 minutes, and >8 minutes, and I thought it would be cool to ask people to try to name their top five reunion songs in each of those ranges.

Here are my attempts:

<6 minutes:
1. The Alchemist
2. The Wicker Man
3. Mother of Mercy
4. Montsegur
5. Stratego

6-8 minutes:
1. Starblind
2. Lord of Light
3. The Longest Day
4. Face in the Sand
5. Out of the Silent Planet

8+ minutes
1. Paschendale
2. The Talisman
3. Isle of Avalon
4. For the Greater Good of God
5. The Legacy
(this is an insane list... I wonder how The Parchment will grow over time relative to it...)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2021, 06:01:07 PM
Cool idea..working on it now..

OK, got it..

< 6 minutes
1. Coming Home
2. Montesegur
3. Mother Of Mercy
4. The Alchemist
5. The Fallen Angel

6-8 minutes
1. Lord Of Light
2. Starblind
3. Brave New World
4. Darkest Hour
5. The Great Unknown


> 8 minutes
1. The Talisman
2. For The Greater Good Of God
3. The Parchment
4. Hell On Earth
5. The Red And The Black


6. The Thin Line Between Love And Hate
7. Dance Of Death
8. When The Wild Wind Blows
9. The Book Of Souls
10. Empire Of The Clouds
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 19, 2021, 08:27:02 PM
< 6 minutes

1. Montségur
2. The Wicker Man
3. Coming Home
4. The Pilgrim
5. Out of the Shadows

6-8 minutes

1. These Colours Don't Run
2. Ghost of the Navigator
3. The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
4. The Time Machine
5. The Writing on the Wall

> 8 minutes

1. Dance of Death
2. Paschendale
3. Empire of the Clouds
4. The Talisman
5. When The Wild Wind Blows
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 19, 2021, 09:01:50 PM
3. Mother Of Mercy

So awesome that you put it, too. I feel like I never see any love for this song, but I think it's just great. This verse is amazing:

I don't hold with bad religion, understand what's underneath it
Now I come to think of it, I just don't hold at all you know it
You say you are a holy man, but what is it you do?
From where I stand it's nothing but a hollow man I see

And then final section, too.


6. The Thin Line Between Love And Hate
7. Dance Of Death
8. When The Wild Wind Blows
9. The Book Of Souls
10. Empire Of The Clouds

Alright, well, if you're going to cheat, then I am, too!  ;D


8+ minutes
1. Paschendale
2. The Talisman
3. Isle of Avalon
4. For the Greater Good of God
5. The Legacy

6. The Parchment
7. When the Wild Wind Blows
8. Hell on Earth
9. Dance of Death
10. Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 19, 2021, 09:49:59 PM
<6 minutes:
1. Coming Home
2. The Wicker Man
3. The Alchemist
4. Montsegur
5. Different World

6-8 minutes:
1. Blood Brothers
2. The Longest Day
3. Journeyman
4. Out Of The Silent Planet
5. The Great Unknown

>8 minutes:
1. Empire Of The Clouds
2. The Legacy
3. The Thin Line Between Love & Hate
4. Isle Of Avalon
5. Dream Of Mirrors

no Senjutsu songs oddly enough, though Hell On Earth came close
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 20, 2021, 04:29:48 AM
Cool...

-6 minutes:
1. The Wicker Man
2. The Fallen Angel
3. Stratego
4. Different World
5. The Pilgrim


6-8 minutes:
1. Brave New World
2. If Eternity Should Fail
3. Paschendale
4. Starblind
5. These Colours Don't Run


8+ minutes:
1. Lost In A Lost World
2. Hell On Earth
3. The Red And The Black
4. For The Greater Good Of God
5. Where The Wild Wind Blows


Always subject to change of course ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2021, 06:02:57 AM
This sounds like fun, I want to play.

>6 minutes

1. Rainmaker
2. Montsegur
3. The Alchemist
4. The Fallen Angel
5. Gates of Tomorrow (not a typo)


6-8 Minutes

1. Starblind
2. Darkest Hour
3. Out of the Silent Planet
4. Blood Brothers
5. Shadows of the Valley


8+ Minutes

1. The Talisman
2. For the Greater Good of God
3. Hell on Earth
4. The Parchment
5. The Red and the Black
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2021, 06:04:23 AM
> 8 minutes
1. The Talisman
2. For The Greater Good Of God
3. The Parchment
4. Hell On Earth
5. The Red And The Black

Holy shit!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 20, 2021, 06:33:48 AM
Oooo, Oooo, I wanna play -

<6
Rainmaker
Different World
The Wicker Man
Speed of Light
Mother of Mercy

6-8
Brave New World
Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
The Writing on the Wall
El Dorado
Blood Brothers

8+
Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
The Parchment
The Nomad
Pachendale
Isle of Avalon
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: romdrums on September 20, 2021, 07:49:31 AM
I love Killers. It's pretty much my favourite Maiden album joined with whichever one of NOTB/PW/SIT/SSOASS is flicking my switches that week.

Permanent Waves?

Power Windows.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 20, 2021, 09:04:48 AM
I do like PW more than PW, as it happens.  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 20, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Can we get some love for Nicko? I'm not a person who focuses a lot on drumming, but I really like a lot of his work on this album, and it feels like he's by far the least-discussed member of the band. His playing on the title track really stood out to me.

Just a beast.  His tempos especially on this album seem tight as hell.  I thought he has been a little sloppy on the last couple but this one he's on point.

Exactly. I've found him a bit frustrating since AMOLAD but he's SO good on this one.

I don't have as much listening time as you mangs do on the reunion albums. I haven't noticed any bad playing from McBrain. He always seems on point. I was reading (not sure which album) that they went with a lot of first takes. Perhaps that explains some of the lackluster drumming.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 20, 2021, 02:25:31 PM
I was listening to Lost in a Lost World today at work and realized the intro has the exact same melody as Clam Caravan by Spinal Tap and now I can’t unhear it.

https://youtu.be/PVQ2rmSwwUw
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 20, 2021, 02:46:22 PM
The Daily Doug does Hell On Earth..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqYLCSnwhI
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 20, 2021, 03:00:44 PM
Since there's trickery afoot, I took a step further and added another category  :lol

< 6 minutes

Montségur
Rainmaker
The Fallen Angel
The Alchemist
Wildest Dreams

6-8 minutes

No More Lies
Face in the Sand
The Longest Day
The Time Machine
Blood Brothers

8-10 minutes

Dance of Death
Paschendale
Dream of Mirrors
Senjutsu
Lost in a Lost World

>10 minutes

Where the Wild Wind Blows
The Red and the Black
Death of the Celts
The Book of Souls
Hell on Earth
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 20, 2021, 04:23:24 PM
How about The Classic Era?
I'm using Bruce only songs.

They only have 3 songs over 8 minutes, so I adjusted the criteria slightly..

< 5 minutes

Children Of Damned
No Prayer For The Dying
Still Life
Run Silent Run Deep
Childhood's End


5-7 minutes

22 Acacia Avenue
Infinite Dreams
Where Eagles Dare
The Prisoner
The Duellists

>7 minutes

Hallowed Be Thy Name
Fear Of The Dark
Caught Somewhere In Time
Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
Rime Of The Ancient Mariner
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 20, 2021, 04:48:42 PM
I'm getting behind here...

I was curious about the distribution of reunion era songs across these 3 groups - like 425 said, these are groups of approximately equal size...

If I didn't count stuff wrong:

<6 minutes
20 songs, BOW: 3, DOD: 5, AMOLAD: 3, FF: 3, BOS: 4, S: 2
(if we were to do <5, as TAC was suggesting a few days ago, it'd be 10 songs - or 11 if we were to count Speed of Light, which is 5:01..)
BOW: 3, DOD: 2, AMOLAD: 1, FF: 1, BOS: 1, S: 2

6-8 minutes
20 songs, BOW: 4, DOD: 4, AMOLAD: 4, FF: 2, BOS: 3, S: 3

>8 minutes
22 songs, BNW: 3, DOD: 2, AMOLAD: 3, FF: 5, BOS: 4, S: 5

Mine might go like this at the moment:

<6
1. Rainmaker
2. Montsegur
3. Wicker Man
4. The Pilgrim
5. The Alchemist

(with Coming Home and Days of Future Past coming right behind)

6-8
1. Starblind
2. Ghost of the Navigator
3. The Time Machine
4. Lord of Light
5. Writing on the Wall

>8
1. Dance of Death
2. Paschendale
3. If Eternity Should Fail
4. The Parchment
5. The Talisman

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2021, 06:34:28 PM
Haven't gotten tired of this album yet.  Still have it on repeat.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 20, 2021, 06:41:39 PM
How about The Classic Era?
I'm using Bruce only songs.

Ok...this is hard...

<5 minutes

Children of the Damned
Flight of Icarus
Aces High
The Evil That Men Do
The Trooper

5-7 minutes

Infinite Dreams
22 Acacia Avenue
Revelations
Moonchild
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner

>7 minutes

Hallowed Be Thy Name
Caught Somewhere in Time
Powerslave
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 20, 2021, 06:49:08 PM
Haven't gotten tired of this album yet.  Still have it on repeat.

Yup. I'm playing it everyday at work.
Today, I also listened to:
A Matter Of Life And Death
Piece Of Mind
Powerslave
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 20, 2021, 07:12:03 PM
So I've been listening to a ton of Iron Maiden over the past couple of weeks. Even as an Old School fan, I find myself reaching for the Reunion Era stuff. I mean, it's all amazing, but most bands' latter day works really pale in comparison to their Classic Eras, but not so with Iron Maiden.


The latest exercise of ranking songs by their time limits proved interesting. There are only three 8+ minute tracks in the Classic Era...Rime, 7th Son, and Alexander.
Yet I couldn't narrow the Reunion 8 minute tracks to less than 10. 

I was thinking of the reasons for this..

1. The evolution of the songwriting, particularly Steve
2. 40-45 minute LPs vs 80 minute CDs
3. Three guitarists, and writing solo spots for each
4. Doing whatever the fuck they want to..

But that last one brings me to this point.. Martin Birch vs Kevin Shirley.

Birch seemed to still maintain an authoritative voice in the recording of the albums, whereas Shirley seems to be basically follow Steve's direction. Shirley seems more of a coordinator and organizer as opposed to what a traditional producer would do.


I don't know...it's just stuff I've been thinking about.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2021, 07:21:21 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 20, 2021, 07:32:33 PM
Hey wolfking can you do me a favor and list the older Maiden melodies that some of the melodies in The Parchment and Hell on Earth sound like please? A lot of the melodies in these 2 songs sound really familiar to me but I just can’t remember which older melodies they sound like. You seem really good at remembering what melodies sound like what melodies so that’s why I’m asking you. I would appreciate if you included the time stamps of the melodies too instead of saying "the melody after the chorus" or something.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 20, 2021, 07:33:55 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

Trust me, I have ZERO complaints about the Reunion Era. It is funny how great Piece Of Mind sounds, but to me, it's always about the songs, and they've never been better IMO. Chemistry plays a big part in how the band goes, and with Janick sometimes being a lightning rod, he plays a big part.
But I also I think their relationship with Shirley is underrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2021, 07:39:28 PM
Hey wolfking can you do me a favor and list the older Maiden melodies that some of the melodies in The Parchment and Hell on Earth sound like please? A lot of the melodies in these 2 songs sound really familiar to me but I just can’t remember which older melodies they sound like. You seem really good at remembering what melodies sound like what melodies so that’s why I’m asking you. I would appreciate if you included time stamps too.

Hmmm....I can pick solos but haven't really thought about the melodies.  I'll have a think though mate and see if anything jumps out.

For Hell on Earth though, the main verse melody instantly reminded me of Wild Wind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 20, 2021, 07:43:31 PM

For Hell on Earth though, the main verse melody instantly reminded me of Wild Wind.

Same here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 20, 2021, 07:46:26 PM
Thanks a lot man.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2021, 08:02:13 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

Trust me, I have ZERO complaints about the Reunion Era. It is funny how great Piece Of Mind sounds, but to me, it's always about the songs, and they've never been better IMO. Chemistry plays a big part in how the band goes, and with Janick sometimes being a lightning rod, he plays a big part.
But I also I think their relationship with Shirley is underrated.

Oh, I still think it's about the songs and it's why I still think this is a great album.  But I also enjoyed X Factor and one reason I hardly ever listen to it though is because it sounds terrible.  I don't think Senjitsu sounds as bad, but it's the worst of the reunion era IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 20, 2021, 08:16:19 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

How much control does a producer typically have? I've watched the great Rush documentary where Shirley tells Lifeson he can't have any reverb on whatever album it was they were making at the time...but Rush is a band that has been more into drastically changing their sound.

Reunion Maiden has sounded like Reunion Maiden for over 20 years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2021, 08:20:29 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

How much control does a producer typically have? I've watched the great Rush documentary where Shirley tells Lifeson he can't have any reverb on whatever album it was they were making at the time...but Rush is a band that has been more into drastically changing their sound.

Reunion Maiden has sounded like Reunion Maiden for over 20 years.

Well, it's been 21 years of Shirley producing all the IM albums now.  So I think you are right, but I think BNW and DoD sound different than the last four albums which all have that more "live" style of sound they seem to go for.  Personally I LOVE the sound of BNW, but that's the only Shirley album I think sounds good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 20, 2021, 08:46:30 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

How much control does a producer typically have? I've watched the great Rush documentary where Shirley tells Lifeson he can't have any reverb on whatever album it was they were making at the time...but Rush is a band that has been more into drastically changing their sound.

Reunion Maiden has sounded like Reunion Maiden for over 20 years.

Well, it's been 21 years of Shirley producing all the IM albums now.  So I think you are right, but I think BNW and DoD sound different than the last four albums which all have that more "live" style of sound they seem to go for.  Personally I LOVE the sound of BNW, but that's the only Shirley album I think sounds good.

Hmm...I've been listening to the last 4 albums a lot over the past few days but I haven't listened to Brave New World in a long time. I should listen to it to see how it differs sonically, but I've never been really good at picking that kind of stuff out. I only really dislike the production when it's really bad like those old Black Metal albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 20, 2021, 08:55:49 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

How much control does a producer typically have? I've watched the great Rush documentary where Shirley tells Lifeson he can't have any reverb on whatever album it was they were making at the time...but Rush is a band that has been more into drastically changing their sound.

Reunion Maiden has sounded like Reunion Maiden for over 20 years.

Well, it's been 21 years of Shirley producing all the IM albums now.  So I think you are right, but I think BNW and DoD sound different than the last four albums which all have that more "live" style of sound they seem to go for.  Personally I LOVE the sound of BNW, but that's the only Shirley album I think sounds good.

Hmm...I've been listening to the last 4 albums a lot over the past few days but I haven't listened to Brave New World in a long time. I should listen to it to see how it differs sonically, but I've never been really good at picking that kind of stuff out. I only really dislike the production when it's really bad like those old Black Metal albums.

Wait, you’re saying BATHORY “…The Return” has a bad production?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 20, 2021, 09:18:24 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

How much control does a producer typically have? I've watched the great Rush documentary where Shirley tells Lifeson he can't have any reverb on whatever album it was they were making at the time...but Rush is a band that has been more into drastically changing their sound.

Reunion Maiden has sounded like Reunion Maiden for over 20 years.

Well, it's been 21 years of Shirley producing all the IM albums now.  So I think you are right, but I think BNW and DoD sound different than the last four albums which all have that more "live" style of sound they seem to go for.  Personally I LOVE the sound of BNW, but that's the only Shirley album I think sounds good.

Hmm...I've been listening to the last 4 albums a lot over the past few days but I haven't listened to Brave New World in a long time. I should listen to it to see how it differs sonically, but I've never been really good at picking that kind of stuff out. I only really dislike the production when it's really bad like those old Black Metal albums.

Wait, you’re saying BATHORY “…The Return” has a bad production?

I don't remember if I've heard that one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2021, 09:21:11 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

How much control does a producer typically have? I've watched the great Rush documentary where Shirley tells Lifeson he can't have any reverb on whatever album it was they were making at the time...but Rush is a band that has been more into drastically changing their sound.

Reunion Maiden has sounded like Reunion Maiden for over 20 years.

Well, it's been 21 years of Shirley producing all the IM albums now.  So I think you are right, but I think BNW and DoD sound different than the last four albums which all have that more "live" style of sound they seem to go for.  Personally I LOVE the sound of BNW, but that's the only Shirley album I think sounds good.

Hmm...I've been listening to the last 4 albums a lot over the past few days but I haven't listened to Brave New World in a long time. I should listen to it to see how it differs sonically, but I've never been really good at picking that kind of stuff out. I only really dislike the production when it's really bad like those old Black Metal albums.

I'm definitely not the one to take advice from when it comes to sound, it's just my opinion.  I definitely don't have great enough hearing to technically understand the sonic differences other than, just sounds more to my liking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2021, 10:14:25 PM
People seem to call Shirley a Yes Man to Steve.  I've never heard of that from interviews or anything from people inside the band, but it certainly seems likely.  I think a different producer would be looking for some trimming and also a better sound.

How much control does a producer typically have? I've watched the great Rush documentary where Shirley tells Lifeson he can't have any reverb on whatever album it was they were making at the time...but Rush is a band that has been more into drastically changing their sound.

Reunion Maiden has sounded like Reunion Maiden for over 20 years.

Well, it's been 21 years of Shirley producing all the IM albums now.  So I think you are right, but I think BNW and DoD sound different than the last four albums which all have that more "live" style of sound they seem to go for.  Personally I LOVE the sound of BNW, but that's the only Shirley album I think sounds good.

I agree with this.

I do like how Senjutsu sounds though, don't understand the dislike for the production on this one. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 20, 2021, 11:08:43 PM
Senjutsu is probably the album I’ve listened to the most in the last 2 years! and it just keeps getting better, it’s just a really great album!

And I also don’t think it sounds bad, in fact I have no issue whatsoever with the way it sounds, I think it sounds fine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 21, 2021, 12:32:22 AM
Senjutsu sounds great to me.

Another list? For sound quality on the reunion albums?? Great idea:

SOUND:

BNW
Senjutsu / TFF
DOD
AMOLAD
TBOS

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 21, 2021, 04:38:33 AM
Haven't gotten tired of this album yet.  Still have it on repeat.

Yep!

Have tried to move onto other things but couldn't go a day without  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2021, 05:47:39 AM
Thanks a lot man.

Not picking up on anything specific in The Parchment but the last lyric section again reminds me of Wild Wind.

Also, check 8.44 of Wild Wind.  Same exact lick Janick pulls out In his first solo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2021, 05:59:34 AM
The Daily Doug does Hell On Earth..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqYLCSnwhI

Not available in my country apparently.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 21, 2021, 06:00:15 AM
Not here in Sweden either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on September 21, 2021, 06:54:29 AM
Seems like the USA is pretty much the only country where it isn't blocked at the moment. Doug said he's trying to fix it, but I imagine he'll reupload it to Vimeo if he can't get it unblocked - he did that with The Alien.

If you're desperate to watch now though, a VPN set to the USA will do the trick.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 21, 2021, 12:39:18 PM
How about The Classic Era?
I'm using Bruce only songs.

Limiting it to Bruce songs makes this easier, but the under 5 minute category is still insanely hard.

< 5 minutes

The Number of the Beast
The Trooper
Sun and Steel
Aces High
Deja Vu

5-7 minutes

22 Acacia Avenue
Where Eagles Dare
Revelations
Wasted Years
Moonchild

>7 minutes

Hallowed Be Thy Name
To Tame a Land
Powerslave
Alexander the Great
Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on September 21, 2021, 02:39:07 PM
Any word on a "senjutso tour"? I know they still have to finish the LOTB tour in summer '22 but damn, that's a long time to wait before touring this great album!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 21, 2021, 03:31:09 PM
Any word on a "senjutso tour"? I know they still have to finish the LOTB tour in summer '22 but damn, that's a long time to wait before touring this great album!

https://bravewords.com/features/iron-maiden-scheduled-to-tour-senjutsu-next-june-i-think-the-performances-from-all-my-bandmates-are-superb-theyre-just-magic-says-nicko-mcbrain


This is a short, but very interesting interview with Nicko. He says the Senjutsu tour will start in June.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 21, 2021, 03:51:32 PM
I do like how Senjutsu sounds though, don't understand the dislike for the production on this one.

Well I can understand, for a 'metal' album it just sounds so different to almost every modern metal album.
Most albums sound like absolute crap, over compressed, mastered too loud and mix is so blurry you can just about make out a few instruments and the drums sounds like someone is tapping on a plastic food container.

While Senjutsu is crystal clear with all the instruments gleaming, drums sound so crisp, maybe Bruce's vocals are a little lower than normal, but it all fits and sounds perfectly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 21, 2021, 03:54:24 PM
The only song I feel like Bruce's vocals are a bit low in the mix is the first track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 21, 2021, 04:02:35 PM
I think it sounds fine. Not amazing, but markedly better than DoD and AMOLAD at least.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jingle.boy on September 21, 2021, 04:09:25 PM
Any word on a "senjutso tour"? I know they still have to finish the LOTB tour in summer '22 but damn, that's a long time to wait before touring this great album!

https://bravewords.com/features/iron-maiden-scheduled-to-tour-senjutsu-next-june-i-think-the-performances-from-all-my-bandmates-are-superb-theyre-just-magic-says-nicko-mcbrain


This is a short, but very interesting interview with Nicko. He says the Senjutsu tour will start in June.

I came here looking for a Rush post. I am disappoint.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 21, 2021, 04:11:29 PM
Hah! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2021, 04:25:56 PM
The only song I feel like Bruce's vocals are a bit low in the mix is the first track.

Agree totally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 21, 2021, 04:55:59 PM
How about The Classic Era?
I'm using Bruce only songs.

I want to go ahead and give this a shot.

<5 minutes:
1. The Clairvoyant
2. Only the Good Die Young
3. Flight of Icarus
4. Aces High
5. The Trooper

5-7 minutes:
1. Revelations
2. Where Eagles Dare
3. Stranger in a Strange Land
4. Infinite Dreams
5. Moonchild

7+ minutes
1. Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
3. Alexander the Great
4. Rime of the Ancient Mariner
5. Caught Somewhere in Time

Can you tell what my favorite 80s album is? ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 21, 2021, 05:45:36 PM
Deep dive update:

I liked Killers probably about as much as the debut.  I don't think its highs were as high, but it sounded better.  Drums had more punch, in particular.  Wrathchild, Murders in the Rue Morgue, the title track, Another Life and Prodigal Son are the songs I liked the most.  The rest was all solid.

I knew the majority of The Number of the Beast already, but after listening to the first two albums and then this one, the improvement in overall sound quality is pretty obvious.  Always liked Run to the Hills a lot, and Invaders is a kick ass opener.  Children of the Damned and the title track are both very good as well.  Still not buying the hype on Hallowed Be Thy Name; seems great musically, but all of the vocal melodies are a blur to me. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: v_clortho on September 21, 2021, 06:53:11 PM
I like this album a lot. My only gripe is the guitar that follows the vocals is a little annoying. Parchment is probably my favorite. Has a bit of a To Tame a Land feel.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2021, 07:05:06 PM
I like this album a lot. My only gripe is the guitar that follows the vocals is a little annoying. Parchment is probably my favorite. Has a bit of a To Tame a Land feel.

Good shout this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on September 21, 2021, 10:57:09 PM
Any word on a "senjutso tour"? I know they still have to finish the LOTB tour in summer '22 but damn, that's a long time to wait before touring this great album!

https://bravewords.com/features/iron-maiden-scheduled-to-tour-senjutsu-next-june-i-think-the-performances-from-all-my-bandmates-are-superb-theyre-just-magic-says-nicko-mcbrain


This is a short, but very interesting interview with Nicko. He says the Senjutsu tour will start in June.

I took this as being taken out of context. I think he was talking about the resumption of the LOTB tour which takes place starting in June.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cruithne on September 22, 2021, 03:40:17 AM
And I also don’t think it sounds bad, in fact I have no issue whatsoever with the way it sounds, I think it sounds fine.

Book Of Souls was hanging on to the edge of sounding bad. With Senjutsu they've been pulled back up but are still teetering on the brink.

Post Brave New World it feels to me like there's push and pull going on between Steve Harris trying to make albums that sound like NPFTD, TXF and Virtual XI and someone with functioning ears trying to not let it sound so lackadaisical.

Ultimately if the songs are good then ropey production, up to a point, is a niggle and I really like all the songs on Senjutsu. I didn't like most of the songs on Book Of Souls so maybe that informs my opinion on its sound more than I would like to believe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 22, 2021, 05:40:16 AM
I always wonder whether people who complain about the sound of an album are listening on high-end audiophile equipment or just on their tatty phone speaker.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 22, 2021, 06:25:41 AM
I always wonder whether people who complain about the sound of an album are listening on high-end audiophile equipment or just on their tatty phone speaker.

On the flip side, I often wonder if people who compliment the sound of an album have ever listened to it on high-end equipment or just their phone or computer speakers. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 22, 2021, 06:54:07 AM
I always wonder whether people who complain about the sound of an album are listening on high-end audiophile equipment or just on their tatty phone speaker.

On the flip side, I often wonder if people who compliment the sound of an album have ever listened to it on high-end equipment or just their phone or computer speakers.

Quite.

Although it's also possible to have high-end equipment attached to your PC these days, too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 22, 2021, 07:18:54 AM
I always wonder whether people who complain about the sound of an album are listening on high-end audiophile equipment or just on their tatty phone speaker.

On the flip side, I often wonder if people who compliment the sound of an album have ever listened to it on high-end equipment or just their phone or computer speakers.

I often wonder if people who compliment/complain about the sound have nothing better to do.   ;) :) :) :)   I'm kidding, of course, but to each their own; it's so subjective on so many levels.

There are VERY FEW records where I go "wow that just sounds like ASS" or where I actually notice "wow, that's head and shoulders above!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 22, 2021, 11:00:07 AM
I always wonder whether people who complain about the sound of an album are listening on high-end audiophile equipment or just on their tatty phone speaker.

Of course high-end audiophile equipment. Everyone has this equipment at home.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 22, 2021, 11:03:49 AM
I always wonder whether people who complain about the sound of an album are listening on high-end audiophile equipment or just on their tatty phone speaker.

Well...what percentage of the listening audience (of any band) owns "high-end audiophile equipment"?  I'd wager to say it's no more than 5-10%.  Your album should not be produced so that it only sounds good on "high-end audiophile equipment."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cruithne on September 23, 2021, 01:08:17 AM
I always wonder whether people who complain about the sound of an album are listening on high-end audiophile equipment or just on their tatty phone speaker.

On a forum revolving around a band that tends to appeal to pretty nerdy musician types how about we give people the benefit of the doubt and just assume it's more likely to be the former then the latter?

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2021, 09:37:28 AM
I don't use high end audio hardware, my ears just aren't that good to make such purchases worth it.  I do however use above average equipment.  Bose headphones, my car has a bose system, my PC uses a nice gaming surround sound headset.  All better than typical speakers or headphones.  But I'm not sure why any of that matters.  If I don't think it sounds good, I doubt a high end system will change my mind.  It might and if it does, what does it matter when I go back to listening to the average equipment?  Granted, the complaints aren't just from single ole cramx3.  It's been a common complaint with IM for awhile. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2021, 09:56:25 AM
About halfway through Powerslave, and this is already the best of the first five albums for me so far. This is some killer stuff.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 23, 2021, 10:01:31 AM
What did you think of Piece of Mind (my favorite of the first five)?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2021, 10:15:57 AM
What did you think of Piece of Mind (my favorite of the first five)?

I liked it, but I did not love it.  The first half was really good, but the second half didn't seem nearly as good until To Tame a Land, which I thought was the best song on there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on September 23, 2021, 10:17:49 AM
Powerslave is probably the best 80’s album (though it’s neck and neck with Somewhere In Time for me). I think The Duellists gets overlooked because of the bookend duos getting all the attention but that’s an absolutely killer song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2021, 10:25:22 AM
My apologies for asking such a basic question that has likely been addressed in the past 20 pages or so, but I am WAY behind on this thread and don't have time to read those 20 or so pages.

What do people think of the new album?  I haven't heard anything other than the first single, and am curious how it stands up.  Haven't bought it yet, obviously, and am contemplating whether to get it now or hold off (lots of new music out or coming out, and am trying to prioritize within my music budget). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 23, 2021, 10:35:04 AM
The general consensus appears to be that album is really rather good and a bit of a surprise. Takes a couple of listens but than bam!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: romdrums on September 23, 2021, 10:48:57 AM
I always wonder whether people who complain about the sound of an album are listening on high-end audiophile equipment or just on their tatty phone speaker.

Well...what percentage of the listening audience (of any band) owns "high-end audiophile equipment"?  I'd wager to say it's no more than 5-10%.  Your album should not be produced so that it only sounds good on "high-end audiophile equipment."

The ideal mix should "travel", meaning it sounds good no matter what you're listening to it on.  A good mix engineer should be checking on multiple sources, from high end studio monitors (which should be very flat and accurate in terms of their frequency response), to your car speakers (definitely hyped in the low end) to crappy ear buds that came with your phone.  If your mixes don't translate in all of those environments, you've got to know how to fix it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 23, 2021, 11:11:21 AM
My apologies for asking such a basic question that has likely been addressed in the past 20 pages or so, but I am WAY behind on this thread and don't have time to read those 20 or so pages.

What do people think of the new album?  I haven't heard anything other than the first single, and am curious how it stands up.  Haven't bought it yet, obviously, and am contemplating whether to get it now or hold off (lots of new music out or coming out, and am trying to prioritize within my music budget).


Eeeesh, I feel bad spending your money, but I think this is an essential Maiden record. Whether it's their "best" - either in the reunion years or overall - is up to you, but there's enough here in terms of quantity and that moves the ball forward that if you're a Maiden fan, you will probably find it worth your while.   I think there are some obvious parallels with NMB both in terms of the "two CDs" and the format - the NMB has more straightforward, maybe more focused material on disk one, and the more sprawling epics on disk two.   Maiden is similar; that second CD, with the four songs, is very different in feel and focus than the I think it's six songs on the first CD.

Generally, I think there are quibbles here with the sound, with some of the techniques (the doubled vocal/guitar seems to be getting some attention) and with Bruce's vocals, but I think the consensus is that this is a solid record worth hearing.  I agree with that at a minimum (for me, this is the second best record of the year, behind the NMB).

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2021, 11:17:11 AM
for me, this is the second best record of the year, behind the NMB

Honestly, that's good enough for me.  Hopefully I was clear on the fact that I intended to get it at some point anyway.  Just a question of how much of a priority I should make it.  I really liked the last two, and am a fan of the reunion era as a whole, so I was leaning on probably getting it now anyway as opposed to holding off. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 23, 2021, 11:28:09 AM
Album is great and any Maiden fan who has enjoyed the reunion era should check it out and seems likely you'll enjoy it based on the feedback I've read. 

I'm not sure where it ranks for the year yet, but it's up there with the top albums from my list of 2021.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 23, 2021, 11:30:02 AM
What did you think of Piece of Mind (my favorite of the first five)?

I liked it, but I did not love it.  The first half was really good, but the second half didn't seem nearly as good until To Tame a Land, which I thought was the best song on there.

I think that's a reasonable assessment. Still Life is a sleeper, but Quest for Fire and Sun and Steel are undoubtedly weaker.

I just like the first three tracks of PoM a whole lot and have a lower opinion of the Losfer Words/Flash of the Blade/The Duelists run on Powerslave than others do.


for me, this is the second best record of the year, behind the NMB

Honestly, that's good enough for me.  Hopefully I was clear on the fact that I intended to get it at some point anyway.  Just a question of how much of a priority I should make it.  I really liked the last two, and am a fan of the reunion era as a whole, so I was leaning on probably getting it now anyway as opposed to holding off. 

From one Final Frontier fan to another: Prioritize this one.

I have the same 2021 top two as Stadler, but with the order reversed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2021, 11:38:06 AM
From one Final Frontier fan to another: Prioritize this one.

I have the same 2021 top two as Stadler, but with the order reversed.

I lot of times, I find Stadler's musical tastes to be quite suspect, so I take them with a [mountain sized] grain of salt.  :p  But with Maiden and NMB, I think our tastes are close enough.  But with your vote of confidence, I'm pretty stoked for both of these.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2021, 11:53:48 AM
Bosk, it's an Iron Maiden record, so in may ways, you kind of know what you're getting. It has had the same criticisms we're read somewhere else, they sound bored, it's the same format for the long songs, etc...

Iron Maiden fans rank Iron Maiden albums like DT fans rank RT albums. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

But I personally love it. I find it most similar to The Final Frontier. Some cool shorter tracks and a bunch of awesome long ones.

It is definitely Top 3 Reunion Era Albums behind TFF and AMOLAD. I am leaving open the possibility of it eventually taking over AMOLAD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 23, 2021, 12:01:40 PM
Just because it's fun: 
Where Eagles Dare
Rime Of The Ancient Mariner
Back In The Village
Still Life
2 Minutes To Midnight
Die With Your Boots On
Powerslave
Revelations
Flight Of Icarus
Aces High
The Trooper
To Tame A Land
Flash Of The Blade
The Duellists
Sun And Steel
Losfer Words (Big 'Orra)
Quest For Fire


I'll even throw in the b-sides (Mission From 'Arry is number one because it's fun, but as a song, it would be last):
Mission From 'Arry
King Of Twilight
Rainbow's Gold
I've Got The Fire
Cross-Eyed Mary

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 23, 2021, 12:02:27 PM
From one Final Frontier fan to another: Prioritize this one.

I have the same 2021 top two as Stadler, but with the order reversed.

I lot of times, I find Stadler's musical tastes to be quite suspect, so I take them with a [mountain sized] grain of salt.  :p  But with Maiden and NMB, I think our tastes are close enough.  But with your vote of confidence, I'm pretty stoked for both of these.

Exactly!!  Wait,.... what?   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 23, 2021, 12:08:54 PM
About halfway through Powerslave, and this is already the best of the first five albums for me so far. This is some killer stuff.  :metal :metal

Cool! Probably the best they ever sounded, and the riffiest for sure. I remember getting this my junior year. I'll be interested to hear if you end up thinking of it as album with awesome bookends but not much in the middle.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 23, 2021, 12:14:37 PM

There’s nothing as good as Phantom on Killers, but the songs and the vocals are much stronger.

My first impression of Killer is not far from this. Seems like the highs on the debut are higher than anything on Killers.  I didn't think there was as much variety on the second album either outside of Prodigal Son, but that could just be my first impression.  Vocals seem better, yes.

Maybe someone mentioned this but the definitive version of Phantom with Bruce on vocals is either Live After Death or Beast Over Hammersmith. Instruments sound better too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2021, 12:30:30 PM
About halfway through Powerslave, and this is already the best of the first five albums for me so far. This is some killer stuff.  :metal :metal

Cool! Probably the best they ever sounded, and the riffiest for sure. I remember getting this my junior year. I'll be interested to hear if you end up thinking of it as album with awesome bookends but not much in the middle.

We must be the same age, as this came out in my junior year. 

I must admit that I was not into this album when it came out. I found it very cliche'd.

Fast song to open which didn't impress me
Song about nuclear war with a recycled riff that I had on by at least 4 other bands by this time.
Instrumental that pales with their previous ones
Title track with a contrived and predictable mid section.
Really long song that felt long for the sake of being long. I was never a huge fan of Rime.

It seemed every interview they did at the time, they were gloating about how awesome they were that they could write a really long song like that.

And an Egyptian styled stage show, a year after Dio came through with one.

I almost (gasp!) skipped the tour that year had Accept not been opening. Even during the show, I have a few memories, and one of them was the "all of you" at the end of Revelations. I remember hearing that live and thinking it was a Dio rip.

I think the only song I liked was Back In The Village.


I remember thinking Somewhere In Time sounded so fresh and new.


That all said, my opinion of Powerslave and SiT has flipped. Powerslave has aged greatly and SiT has not.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 23, 2021, 01:49:33 PM
About halfway through Powerslave, and this is already the best of the first five albums for me so far. This is some killer stuff.  :metal :metal

My favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 23, 2021, 03:10:02 PM
Just because it's fun: 
Where Eagles Dare
Rime Of The Ancient Mariner
Back In The Village
Still Life
2 Minutes To Midnight
Die With Your Boots On
Powerslave
Revelations
Flight Of Icarus
Aces High
The Trooper
To Tame A Land
Flash Of The Blade
The Duellists
Sun And Steel
Losfer Words (Big 'Orra)
Quest For Fire

Fun, indeed, although I'll omit the B-sides.

To Tame a Land
Where Eagles Dare
Powerslave
Revelations
Aces High
The Trooper
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Sun and Steel
Flight of Icarus
Flash of the Blade
2 Minutes to Midnight
Die with Your Boots On
The Duellists
Quest for Fire
Losfer Words (Big 'Orra)
Still Life
Back in the Village

The only easy choices here were that TTAL is at the top and Eagles is at the top of POM, and the bottom two songs.  The gaps between the nine songs I have ranked 4-12 (Revelations through Boots) are microscopic, and I'd probably rank them differently every day if I did this daily for a week.  Even the two bottom songs aren't bad, but I do typically skip Village.


We must be the same age, as this came out in my junior year. 

I must admit that I was not into this album when it came out. I found it very cliche'd.

Fast song to open which didn't impress me
Song about nuclear war with a recycled riff that I had on by at least 4 other bands by this time.
Instrumental that pales with their previous ones
Title track with a contrived and predictable mid section.
Really long song that felt long for the sake of being long. I was never a huge fan of Rime.

It seemed every interview they did at the time, they were gloating about how awesome they were that they could write a really long song like that.

And an Egyptian styled stage show, a year after Dio came through with one.

I almost (gasp!) skipped the tour that year had Accept not been opening. Even during the show, I have a few memories, and one of them was the "all of you" at the end of Revelations. I remember hearing that live and thinking it was a Dio rip.

Damn...that's harsh, but I can't completely disagree with most of it.

I was a senior when Powerslave came out.  I dug Aces High.  I wasn't a big fan of 2 Minutes, but it wasn't because of the riff.  I'd never heard Swords and Tequila, and I don't think I'd yet bought Restless and Wild and heard Flash Rockin' Man (and I'd definitely never heard Curse of the Pharaohs).  The nuclear war theme seemed a bit contrived too.  I liked Rime, and my opinion about Powerslave couldn't be more different from yours.

As far as both Maiden and Dio having Egyptian themed stage shows, I say meh.  Powerslave and Last in Line came out within a couple months of each other, and Maiden spent the first several months of the World Slavery Tour in Europe and didn't show up in the northeast until mid-January 1985 (by comarison, Dio played Worcester on 8/24/84 (and I think you mentioned earlier that you didn't see them until late May or early June 1985)).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2021, 03:23:19 PM
Yeah, I saw Dio in Providence on 8/20/84 and Maiden on 6/2/85. It certainly was a coincidence to be sure. But it just reinforced how I felt about it the whole thing.

I also forgot to mention how every band going made a song about nuclear war during this time period.

But I definitely had Fire Down Under, Restless And Wild, and Power And The Glory, and Holy Diver by the time Powerslave came out.

I didn't feel that Powerslave built on Piece Of Mind in any way. It felt like a step back honestly.

Remember, these are the thoughts of a 16 y/o TAC.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 23, 2021, 03:35:40 PM
I'm in the same group here.  I thought Powerslave was the bomb.  It wasn't AS GOOD as Piece of Mind - which was probably my favorite album at that point - because there was filler - the instrumental, The Duellists, and Flash Of The Blade - but the highs - Side two is my favorite Maiden album side from that era - were really high.   By then, Dio was sort of fading for me.  I LOVED Holy Diver, and Last In Line was close, but there was something cartoon-y about Dio that Maiden wasn't, and Sacred Heart just cemented that. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2021, 03:40:18 PM
The Duellists is amazing. That long solo section basically laid the blueprint for some of the long instrumental sections in the Reunion Era.
Sure, it wasn't as proggy as Infinite Dreams or Seventh Son, but when I think of The Red And The Black, it reminds me of The Duellists.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 23, 2021, 03:57:13 PM
The only thing I'd call filler on Powerslave and even then at a stretch is the instrumental.
While PoM has some killer cuts, also has noticeable drop in standard to the rest of the album in, Sun And Steel and Quest For Fire.

Powerslave also a step up in production and that amazing cover artwork.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Quest For Fire has really aged well. And I've always like Sun And Steel.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2021, 04:08:24 PM
Two Minutes, the title song, and Rime are amazing.  Quest for Fire and Aces High are decent and fun on occasion.  The rest are forgettable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 23, 2021, 04:26:05 PM
Powerslave was in my top 5 in my top 50, I thought it was brilliant.  I loved the guitar tones of the whole album and the whole chug of the rhythm guitars through a lot of the songs scratched me where I itched.  From a rhythm guitar point of view, this might be the tightest album in the whole catalog.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 23, 2021, 04:33:07 PM
I think it's been five or six years since I've listened to the full Powerslave. I only care much about four of the songs, and all those songs are better IMO on Live After Death. This discussion has convinced me to give the whole thing another shot soon. Especially Tim's comparison between The Duelists and The Red and the Black.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 23, 2021, 04:36:43 PM
I love QFF lyrics  :lol

In a time when dinosaurs walked the earth
When the land was swamp and caves were home
In an age when prize possession was fire
To search for landscapes men would roam

Then the tribes they came to steal their fire
And the wolves they howled into the night
As they fought a vicious angry battle
To save the power of warmth and light
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 23, 2021, 04:37:22 PM
There’s not a single weak track on Powerslave.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2021, 04:38:53 PM
I love QFF lyrics  :lol

In a time when dinosaurs walked the earth
When the land was swamp and caves were home
In an age when prize possession was fire
To search for landscapes men would roam

Then the tribes they came to steal their fire
And the wolves they howled into the night
As they fought a vicious angry battle
To save the power of warmth and light



You'd think Ben Jamin wrote those lyrics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 23, 2021, 04:46:23 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 23, 2021, 05:04:32 PM
I also forgot to mention how every band going made a song about nuclear war during this time period.

Yeah...I used the word "contrived" earlier, but that's not the best word.  As you noted, EVERY band had a "let's not nuke the hell out of everyone" song, and by that point, it was a bit played out.


But I definitely had Fire Down Under, Restless And Wild, and Power And The Glory, and Holy Diver by the time Powerslave came out.

While I didn't notice any of the similarities between 2 Minutes and any other song, I was aware that Stand Up and Shout and Power and the Glory had basically the identical opening/main riff.  Saxon's album was released a couple months earlier, but I'm pretty sure that Holy Diver had been recorded before P&TG was released, so the similarity was purely coincidental (unless both bands swiped it from a common source).


I didn't feel that Powerslave built on Piece Of Mind in any way. It felt like a step back honestly.

I did too, but that's only because POM is SO FUCKING GOOD that it's virtually impossible to top (and, IMO, they never have topped it).


Remember, these are the thoughts of a 16 y/o TAC.

I hear you.  This was right in the midst of my "if it ain't metal, it ain't good" phase (even though I liked a bunch of non-metal bands, so the consistency definitely wasn't there for me).


I'm in the same group here.  I thought Powerslave was the bomb.  It wasn't AS GOOD as Piece of Mind - which was probably my favorite album at that point - because there was filler - the instrumental, The Duellists, and Flash Of The Blade - but the highs - Side two is my favorite Maiden album side from that era - were really high.   By then, Dio was sort of fading for me.  I LOVED Holy Diver, and Last In Line was close, but there was something cartoon-y about Dio that Maiden wasn't, and Sacred Heart just cemented that. 

I don't know that cartoon-y is the right word.  Both bands could be accused of that.  I think the thing with Dio was that the band was a bit of a one-trick pony, and that really set in for me after Sacred Heart.


Quest For Fire has really aged well. And I've always like Sun And Steel.

I love both songs also -- especially S&S.  I don't think paleontological accuracy was the driving goal for Harris when he wrote QFF (which, I believe, was based on the movie, which, despite not featuring any dinosaurs, wasn't all that historically accurate).   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2021, 05:18:32 PM
I think the thing with Dio was that the band was a bit of a one-trick pony, and that really set in for me after Sacred Heart.

Probably a bit of a hot take here, but:  To me, Dio (the band) not only was a "one-trick pony," but they forgot the money trick altogether and never managed to duplicate it after Last in Line, IMO.  To me, they have a handful of outstanding tunes, and not much else that I am interested in.
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Post by: Glasser on September 23, 2021, 05:24:31 PM
I think the thing with Dio was that the band was a bit of a one-trick pony, and that really set in for me after Sacred Heart.

Probably a bit of a hot take here, but:  To me, Dio (the band) not only was a "one-trick pony," but they forgot the money trick altogether and never managed to duplicate it after Last in Line, IMO.  To me, they have a handful of outstanding tunes, and not much else that I am interested in.

Holy Diver and Last in Line set the bar to unreachable heights. Some of Craig G. and Doug A. stuff is decent, the Rowan Robertson stuff didn’t do it for me and I revisited them all in the reissues. 
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Post by: Dream Team on September 23, 2021, 05:34:28 PM
I actually enjoy KTD quite a bit, Doug Aldrich is great on it. But yes those first 2 are untouchable.
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Post by: Glasser on September 23, 2021, 05:37:05 PM
I actually enjoy KTD quite a bit, Doug Aldrich is great on it. But yes those first 2 are untouchable.

Oooooh yessss forgot about that album! I do like it! Doug is grossly underrated!!!
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Post by: TAC on September 23, 2021, 05:50:55 PM
I actually enjoy KTD quite a bit, Doug Aldrich is great on it. But yes those first 2 are untouchable.

Oooooh yessss forgot about that album! I do like it! Doug is grossly underrated!!!

If he's underrated, it's not from his work in Dio. I like KTD too, but I feel like I'm dropping my Dio standards a bit to let it in. Aldrich, and Craig Goldie have zero personality in their playing in Dio.

Rowan Robertson is great on Lock Up The Wolves. That album has a great sound and songs with personality. Hell, even Traci G had personality. Those two albums have a distinct flavor.
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Post by: Glasser on September 23, 2021, 05:53:51 PM
I actually enjoy KTD quite a bit, Doug Aldrich is great on it. But yes those first 2 are untouchable.

Oooooh yessss forgot about that album! I do like it! Doug is grossly underrated!!!

If he's underrated, it's not from his work in Dio. I like KTD too, but I feel like I'm dropping my Dio standards a bit to let it in. Aldrich, and Craig Goldie have zero personality in their playing in Dio.

Rowan Robertson is great on Lock Up The Wolves. That album has a great sound and songs with personality. Hell, even Traci G had personality. Those two albums have a distinct flavor.

He was a beast in Lion and Hurricane, love his guitar tone!!! I dig some of his Whitesnake stuff too. He could have replaced Zakk in Ozzy without issue!
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Post by: wolfking on September 23, 2021, 05:55:00 PM
KTD is a fav of mine too.  Great songs and Doug rips.

Another hot take.....I LOVE Magica!
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Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2021, 06:05:05 PM
I guess I'll just put it this way:  I was never more than a casual Dio fan.  I really like a handful of his songs, and don't really connect with much more.  I could probably make a "greatest hits" CD of my favorite songs of his from Sabbath and his solo career, and be perfectly happy with just one CD.
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Post by: TAC on September 23, 2021, 06:07:16 PM
Another hot take.....I LOVE Magica!

Other than Challis and Losing My Insanity, I think Magica kind of blows. ;D

Only Angry Machines is worse. Maybe Master Of The Moon too.
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Post by: gazinwales on September 23, 2021, 06:16:40 PM
Back to IM discussion  :yarr

One thing that Senjutsu has done has re-kindled my love for the band and to start listening to them again.
Powerslave one album I hadn't heard in 15 years or so, it still has magic for me and it has aged very well.
Top 3 Maiden for me, I am sure you can guess the other two?
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Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2021, 08:13:41 PM
There’s not a single weak track on Powerslave.

After two listens, this is my position as well.  Every song is strong, and the majority are pretty great.  I will be surprised if they top this one for me.
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Post by: jammindude on September 23, 2021, 09:42:16 PM
Losfer Words is my favorite Maiden instrumental.
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Post by: Lupton on September 23, 2021, 09:42:48 PM
There’s not a single weak track on Powerslave.

After two listens, this is my position as well.  Every song is strong, and the majority are pretty great.  I will be surprised if they top this one for me.

QFT  :metal

[edit: IMHO of course  ;) ]
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Post by: wolfking on September 23, 2021, 10:51:17 PM
Another hot take.....I LOVE Magica!

Other than Challis and Losing My Insanity, I think Magica kind of blows. ;D

Only Angry Machines is worse. Maybe Master Of The Moon too.

I thought MOTM was absolutely terrible.
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Post by: Stadler on September 24, 2021, 07:09:50 AM
I think the thing with Dio was that the band was a bit of a one-trick pony, and that really set in for me after Sacred Heart.

Probably a bit of a hot take here, but:  To me, Dio (the band) not only was a "one-trick pony," but they forgot the money trick altogether and never managed to duplicate it after Last in Line, IMO.  To me, they have a handful of outstanding tunes, and not much else that I am interested in.

Nah, I'm with you.

When I say "cartoon-y" I mean that whole "we're carrying the flag for metal! We rock!" stuff.  That got stale quickly for me (same with Judas Priest).   And while he's rightfully a fantastic singer and frontman, the sort of rep that he got later as the nicest guy in metal was to me a little undeserved.  Sure, he was good to the fans - my friend met him in Hartford and said he was the nicest guy in the world and that was after he stood outside the Bushnell in 280 weather for almost an hour signing everything that was put in front of him - but I remember when the press wasn't so positive.  He fought with Blackmore, he fought with Iommi and Butler (twice), he fought with Campbell...   I don't know; it sounds like I'm slagging him, and I'm not, he's just not on Iron Maiden's level for me.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 24, 2021, 08:11:37 AM
I may have a keeper, my girlfriend got me a Senjutsu tshirt as part of my birthday gift  :metal
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Post by: Mladen on September 24, 2021, 09:01:52 AM
Time to go to the ring store.  :tup
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 24, 2021, 09:08:51 AM
I may have a keeper, my girlfriend got me a Senjutsu tshirt as part of my birthday gift  :metal

 Marry her!

 I don't even like the album that much, and already have two Senjutsu shirts...a friend of mine got the box set, and two shirts were included in the purchase, so he gave me the second one. And the band's PR sent me the Belshazzar's Feast shirt, which is VERY cool, and is not the obvious Maiden shirt design you would expect. I can't wait for the tour!!!
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Post by: Stadler on September 24, 2021, 09:28:47 AM
HAHA, I bought a shirt through the fan club and when it came my wife was like "what in hell is THAT?"  :) :) :)
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Post by: pg1067 on September 24, 2021, 09:38:36 AM
I think the thing with Dio was that the band was a bit of a one-trick pony, and that really set in for me after Sacred Heart.

Probably a bit of a hot take here, but:  To me, Dio (the band) not only was a "one-trick pony," but they forgot the money trick altogether and never managed to duplicate it after Last in Line, IMO.  To me, they have a handful of outstanding tunes, and not much else that I am interested in.

Nah, I'm with you.

When I say "cartoon-y" I mean that whole "we're carrying the flag for metal! We rock!" stuff.  That got stale quickly for me (same with Judas Priest).   And while he's rightfully a fantastic singer and frontman, the sort of rep that he got later as the nicest guy in metal was to me a little undeserved.  Sure, he was good to the fans - my friend met him in Hartford and said he was the nicest guy in the world and that was after he stood outside the Bushnell in 280 weather for almost an hour signing everything that was put in front of him - but I remember when the press wasn't so positive.  He fought with Blackmore, he fought with Iommi and Butler (twice), he fought with Campbell...   I don't know; it sounds like I'm slagging him, and I'm not, he's just not on Iron Maiden's level for me.

Well...look at the guy's track record:

- For each of the three Rainbow albums, the entire band changed, except for Dio and Blackmore, and then the two of them fell out.
- Two albums with Iommi and Butler and he's gone.
- Three albums with Vivian Campbell and then he's out (there's a video of him on YouTube absolutely excoriating Campbell, which was honestly kind of a bummer to watch).
- One album (plus a live EP) with Craig Goldy and he's gone.
- One album with Rowan Robertson and he's gone.
Etc., etc.

The only guy who seemed to have any staying power with Dio was Vinny Appice, but even he seemed to move in and out of grace.

Compare that to a band like Maiden that's had almost no turnover for 35+ years.  It's a pretty telling thing.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 24, 2021, 09:46:17 AM
Well, with Rainbow it was really Ritchie's band, so I wouldn't put the lineup changes on Dio's shoulders...
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Post by: DoctorAction on September 24, 2021, 10:43:26 AM
There’s not a single weak track on Powerslave.

+1
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Post by: nick_z on September 24, 2021, 11:08:54 AM
Speaking of Powerslave, I get the feeling that there isn't a massive amount of love for Flash of the Blade...it might not be a top Maiden song, but I enjoy it a ton. It's a fun tune with a lot of energy, and I'd love to see it live (wouldn't the instrumental section be just great with the three guitars?!)
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Post by: nick_z on September 24, 2021, 11:16:41 AM
The Duellists is amazing. That long solo section basically laid the blueprint for some of the long instrumental sections in the Reunion Era.
Sure, it wasn't as proggy as Infinite Dreams or Seventh Son, but when I think of The Red And The Black, it reminds me of The Duellists.

The Duellists is very good - except for the chorus. It's not bad, but it's my least favorite part of the song. But I agree the solo/instrumental part is fantastic.
I don't know if it's just me, but I always thought the vocal melody in the verse is kinda similar to Where Eagles Dare?
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 24, 2021, 11:42:03 AM
There’s not a single weak track on Powerslave.
Agreed. Powerslave is where the stars aligned for this band. It is better than perfect IMO.
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Post by: Herrick on September 24, 2021, 11:46:11 AM
Back to IM discussion  :yarr

One thing that Senjutsu has done has re-kindled my love for the band and to start listening to them again.
Powerslave one album I hadn't heard in 15 years or so, it still has magic for me and it has aged very well.
Top 3 Maiden for me, I am sure you can guess the other two?

For Herrick, Senjutsu has opened the doors to the reunion albums I never really gave a fair chance. I've been listening to those albums (everything from Dance of Death to The Book of Souls) almost exclusively since Senjutsu came out. I've been enjoying them for the most part. I'm still not really sure about them though except for A Matter of Life and Death which became an instant Like.
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Post by: Dream Team on September 24, 2021, 12:17:50 PM
I think the thing with Dio was that the band was a bit of a one-trick pony, and that really set in for me after Sacred Heart.

Probably a bit of a hot take here, but:  To me, Dio (the band) not only was a "one-trick pony," but they forgot the money trick altogether and never managed to duplicate it after Last in Line, IMO.  To me, they have a handful of outstanding tunes, and not much else that I am interested in.

Nah, I'm with you.

When I say "cartoon-y" I mean that whole "we're carrying the flag for metal! We rock!" stuff.  That got stale quickly for me (same with Judas Priest).   And while he's rightfully a fantastic singer and frontman, the sort of rep that he got later as the nicest guy in metal was to me a little undeserved.  Sure, he was good to the fans - my friend met him in Hartford and said he was the nicest guy in the world and that was after he stood outside the Bushnell in 280 weather for almost an hour signing everything that was put in front of him - but I remember when the press wasn't so positive.  He fought with Blackmore, he fought with Iommi and Butler (twice), he fought with Campbell...   I don't know; it sounds like I'm slagging him, and I'm not, he's just not on Iron Maiden's level for me.

Well...look at the guy's track record:

- For each of the three Rainbow albums, the entire band changed, except for Dio and Blackmore, and then the two of them fell out.
- Two albums with Iommi and Butler and he's gone.
- Three albums with Vivian Campbell and then he's out (there's a video of him on YouTube absolutely excoriating Campbell, which was honestly kind of a bummer to watch).
- One album (plus a live EP) with Craig Goldy and he's gone.
- One album with Rowan Robertson and he's gone.
Etc., etc.

The only guy who seemed to have any staying power with Dio was Vinny Appice, but even he seemed to move in and out of grace.

Compare that to a band like Maiden that's had almost no turnover for 35+ years.  It's a pretty telling thing.

Same situation as with Ozzy, when your wife is the manager the other guys get screwed over. Not a secret.
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Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2021, 03:51:39 PM
Hell on Earth could be close to the greatest thing the band has ever done.
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Post by: gazinwales on September 24, 2021, 04:30:51 PM
For me 'Senjutsu' is the best thing IM have done since 'Seventh Son'  :metal
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Post by: TAC on September 24, 2021, 04:36:45 PM
Hell on Earth could be close to the greatest thing the band has ever done.

So my biggest problem with it is that the second half is nowhere near as strong as the first half.

The Parchment has passed it I think.
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Post by: gazinwales on September 24, 2021, 04:56:28 PM
Hell on Earth could be close to the greatest thing the band has ever done.

So my biggest problem with it is that the second half is nowhere near as strong as the first half.

The Parchment has passed it I think.

For me the album gets better as it goes on, building up to grand finale of the last three songs and boom!
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Post by: TAC on September 24, 2021, 05:02:40 PM
Hell on Earth could be close to the greatest thing the band has ever done.

So my biggest problem with it is that the second half is nowhere near as strong as the first half.

The Parchment has passed it I think.

For me the album gets better as it goes on, building up to grand finale of the last three songs and boom!

What is your opinion of The Final Frontier?
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Post by: gazinwales on September 24, 2021, 05:12:54 PM
What is your opinion of The Final Frontier?

I remember liking it when it came out, haven't played it for a few years until last week, I think I lasted 4/5 songs and had to turn it off.
Also has the worst artwork of any Maiden album/single, urgh!
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Post by: WardySI on September 24, 2021, 06:11:45 PM
KTD is a fav of mine too.  Great songs and Doug rips.

Another hot take.....I LOVE Magica!

Agree on both counts, KTD was sensational and Magica is a personal fave albeit went a bit OTT with the spoken word story stuff, but musically it was great. 

I remember hearing Lord Of The Last Day on JJJ that weekend and driving to the brick and mortar to buy the damn thing that same day :metal


After a few weeks with Senjutsu can confidently say favorite three tracks are Lost In A Lost World, Hell On Earth and third is a little harder and split between one of the two rockers Stratego or Days Of Future Past!
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Post by: KevShmev on September 24, 2021, 06:35:00 PM
Speaking of Powerslave, I get the feeling that there isn't a massive amount of love for Flash of the Blade...it might not be a top Maiden song, but I enjoy it a ton. It's a fun tune with a lot of energy, and I'd love to see it live (wouldn't the instrumental section be just great with the three guitars?!)

That driving riff in Flash of the Blade was one of the things that stood out to me on my first listen of Powerslave.  I get that other songs on that record might be better, but no way is that song any kind of weak link.
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Post by: DoctorAction on September 25, 2021, 01:26:50 AM
After folks were talking Quest For Fire I stuck Piece Of Mind on in the car on the way to the supermarket. Made me grin from ear to ear - so cool that a piece of music that I picked up when I was about 14 is still rocking me 33 years later.

Random thoughts:

There's a crusty kind of feel about this album that is really cool. It's not the absolute best guitar sound ever but the production overall sounds so full of character. Suits the artwork to a tee.

Revelations - I love this tune. Bruce's vocals.  :hefdaddy The part where he takes a breath "and the seed is sown in a holy place and i watched (breath) and I waited for the dawn". Ridiculous power!

I just love the double time instrumental break and that
t harmony arpeggio-ish section after the lead break at 5:05 might be my favourite part of the whole Maiden catalogue.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 25, 2021, 01:55:38 AM
Revelations has one of Bruce's best vocal performance. Such a great tune and such a great delivery.  :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: wolfking on September 25, 2021, 04:58:54 AM
KTD is a fav of mine too.  Great songs and Doug rips.

Another hot take.....I LOVE Magica!

Agree on both counts, KTD was sensational and Magica is a personal fave albeit went a bit OTT with the spoken word story stuff, but musically it was great. 

I remember hearing Lord Of The Last Day on JJJ that weekend and driving to the brick and mortar to buy the damn thing that same day :metal


After a few weeks with Senjutsu can confidently say favorite three tracks are Lost In A Lost World, Hell On Earth and third is a little harder and split between one of the two rockers Stratego or Days Of Future Past!

Dio on Triple J?

Three hours of power?  I used to love listening to that show.
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Post by: wolfking on September 25, 2021, 04:59:47 AM
Hell on Earth could be close to the greatest thing the band has ever done.

So my biggest problem with it is that the second half is nowhere near as strong as the first half.

The Parchment has passed it I think.

It's tight for me.

While I agree on that point on Hell on Earth, that first 7 minutes is extrodinary.
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Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 25, 2021, 05:17:48 AM
Hell on Earth could be close to the greatest thing the band has ever done.

So my biggest problem with it is that the second half is nowhere near as strong as the first half.

I think I'm the opposite. Imo, the second half is what elevates it from being a good song to an amazing one. I also really like the callback to the title track in the lyrics ("you danced on the graves who bled for us"), which wraps the album up nicely.
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Post by: WardySI on September 25, 2021, 06:54:00 AM
KTD is a fav of mine too.  Great songs and Doug rips.

Another hot take.....I LOVE Magica!

Agree on both counts, KTD was sensational and Magica is a personal fave albeit went a bit OTT with the spoken word story stuff, but musically it was great. 

I remember hearing Lord Of The Last Day on JJJ that weekend and driving to the brick and mortar to buy the damn thing that same day :metal


After a few weeks with Senjutsu can confidently say favorite three tracks are Lost In A Lost World, Hell On Earth and third is a little harder and split between one of the two rockers Stratego or Days Of Future Past!

Dio on Triple J?

Three hours of power?  I used to love listening to that show.

Weirdly I don't think it was the 3hrs of Power IIRC it was a lunchtime Saturday thereabouts and JJJ was just doing their usual for back then and simply played the track!

Unless it was a repeat or hour of power highlights perhaps I dunno but it was definitely a moment :metal
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Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2021, 07:02:27 AM
Subsequent listens revealed that the back to back of Where Eagles Dare and Revelations is definitely a kickass 1-2 punch.

Somewhere in Time seems pretty inconsistent on the first listen, but there are a few really good ones.  Seems like half really good / half kinda meh.
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Post by: Herrick on September 25, 2021, 08:36:29 AM
Subsequent listens revealed that the back to back of Where Eagles Dare and Revelations is definitely a kickass 1-2 punch.

Somewhere in Time seems pretty inconsistent on the first listen, but there are a few really good ones.  Seems like half really good / half kinda meh.

I don't remember what I thought of Somewhere in Time when I first heard it in the late 1990s. I do remember it sounded very '80s but I quickly grew to love it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2021, 08:50:05 AM
Subsequent listens revealed that the back to back of Where Eagles Dare and Revelations is definitely a kickass 1-2 punch.

Somewhere in Time seems pretty inconsistent on the first listen, but there are a few really good ones.  Seems like half really good / half kinda meh.

I don't remember what I thought of Somewhere in Time when I first heard it in the late 1990s. I do remember it sounded very '80s but I quickly grew to love it.

Nothing wrong with sounding like the 80's.  :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: Herrick on September 25, 2021, 08:53:47 AM
Subsequent listens revealed that the back to back of Where Eagles Dare and Revelations is definitely a kickass 1-2 punch.

Somewhere in Time seems pretty inconsistent on the first listen, but there are a few really good ones.  Seems like half really good / half kinda meh.

I don't remember what I thought of Somewhere in Time when I first heard it in the late 1990s. I do remember it sounded very '80s but I quickly grew to love it.

Nothing wrong with sounding like the 80's.  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Tit Depends  :metal
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Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2021, 08:58:23 AM
Caught Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Stranger in a Strange Land
Alexander the Great

All keepers after two listens.  I cannot imagine listening to the other four songs again.  The chorus in Heaven Can Wait is not good.
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Post by: 425 on September 25, 2021, 09:01:27 AM
Those are four of the five best. I'd recommend giving Sea of Madness one more chance. I understand not being crazy about the other three.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 25, 2021, 09:09:44 AM
I really wish they’d play Caught Somewhere in Time more. One of their most badass tunes ever.
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Post by: porcacultor on September 25, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
I've recently given Loneliness and Deja Vu another go and they've become some of my favorites. There's great guitar parts up the wazoo in those!
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Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2021, 09:19:52 AM
Those are four of the five best. I'd recommend giving Sea of Madness one more chance. I understand not being crazy about the other three.

Noted.  :tup :tup
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Post by: Mladen on September 25, 2021, 09:33:56 AM
The Loneliness has some of the greatest guitar harmonies the band has ever put out. It is insane.
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Post by: Cool Chris on September 25, 2021, 11:03:06 AM
Remembering I got in to Maiden in the 2000s, I only ever thought Powerslave is not elite level, just really good. That sounds like a put-down. It's not meant to be. It just falls in the middle of the pack of my Maiden album rankings.  And Somewhere in Time is in my bottom third.
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Post by: Glasser on September 25, 2021, 11:14:07 AM
The Prisoner
Sun and Steel
Sea of Madness
And every song on Powerslave.
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Post by: Zydar on September 25, 2021, 11:22:07 AM
Those are four of the five best. I'd recommend giving Sea of Madness one more chance. I understand not being crazy about the other three.

Indeed. Sea Of Madness is probably my favourite on the album. Or in the top 2 at least.
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Post by: jammindude on September 25, 2021, 11:30:04 AM
I still remember buying SIT the day it came out, and I thought the synths were a bit jarring. Especially for a 17 yr old that had spent the last two years listening to nearly every band that had been signed to Metal Blade, Combat, or Megaforce records. The new sound just felt very “watered down” by comparison.

But there are great moments. I personally think that the riff in Sea of Madness is one of the heaviest things on the album, the chorus is probably the strongest of the entire album, so it always confused me that most people rank it so low on the album. Most of the other choruses seem really lazy to me. This is the album I usually point to as beginning the trend of repeating a single line over and over again for the chorus.

Sea of Madness is my favorite, and SIASL is a very strong single. That’s probably the song where the synths really work with the song. I didn’t used to like Heaven Can Wait, but the live version takes it to a whole new level and now I love it. And I should try to revisit Alexander the Great. I haven’t heard it in forever. I just remember that it was kind of the follow up “epic” to ROTAM…and on that level it was a massive fail. But that was 35 years ago, so it’s probably easier to listen to it on its own merits these days.
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Post by: nick_z on September 25, 2021, 12:32:47 PM
I would absolutely second the comments on Sea of Madness...give it another chance, it's a great song. I'm a huge fan of Loneliness too.

Truly, the only song I don't particularly care for on SiT is Heaven Can Wait. It's not bad, but it's my least favorite.

Anyway, huge, huge fan of Somewhere in Time. At this point in time, it's in my Maiden top 3, with The Number of the Beast and Seventh Son (Piece of Mind and Powerslave following right behind)



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Post by: Dream Team on September 25, 2021, 12:36:04 PM
The instrumental section of ATG is peak Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 25, 2021, 01:19:43 PM
5 Common Criticisms of Iron Maiden's Senjutsu
https://youtu.be/FKGLQ4Waz-g
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 25, 2021, 01:24:52 PM
The instrumental section of ATG is peak Maiden.

Probably one of my favorite solos from Adrian. That, and the solo on The Prophecy. Oh and also the solo on.... nevermind, shit there's just too many .. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 25, 2021, 01:34:22 PM
5 Common Criticisms of Iron Maiden's Senjutsu
https://youtu.be/FKGLQ4Waz-g

Ooh didn't watch the link but let me take a blind guess...

Songs are too long and intros too long and boring.
Not enough faster tempo tunes.
Too much Janick doubling vocal melodies on guitar.
Too many repeated "same"-y sounding bits that sound like Iron Maiden repeating themselves.
Janick's dancing ruined the experience.
Janick's guitar spinning ruined the experience.

Do I get a prize if I'm right on any of this?   :laugh:  OK I'll kindly fuck off.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 25, 2021, 01:47:18 PM
5 Common Criticisms of Iron Maiden's Senjutsu
https://youtu.be/FKGLQ4Waz-g

Ooh didn't watch the link but let me take a blind guess...

Songs are too long and intros too long and boring.
Not enough faster tempo tunes.
Too much Janick doubling vocal melodies on guitar.
Too many repeated "same"-y sounding bits that sound like Iron Maiden repeating themselves.
Janick's dancing ruined the experience.
Janick's guitar spinning ruined the experience.

Do I get a prize if I'm right on any of this?   :laugh:  OK I'll kindly fuck off.

I didn't get to see any dancing or spinning. Was this on the super deluxe edition of the album?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on September 25, 2021, 02:02:11 PM
5 Common Criticisms of Iron Maiden's Senjutsu
https://youtu.be/FKGLQ4Waz-g

Ooh didn't watch the link but let me take a blind guess...

Songs are too long and intros too long and boring.
Not enough faster tempo tunes.
Too much Janick doubling vocal melodies on guitar.
Too many repeated "same"-y sounding bits that sound like Iron Maiden repeating themselves.
Janick's dancing ruined the experience.
Janick's guitar spinning ruined the experience.

Do I get a prize if I'm right on any of this?   :laugh:  OK I'll kindly fuck off.

I didn't get to see any dancing or spinning. Was this on the super deluxe edition of the album?  :lol

Oops. I just checked. It must be this ultra elite super rare 4D printed Japanese import I have! Sorry.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 25, 2021, 04:20:10 PM
Talking SIT:

Another amazing album in the incredible NOTB - SSOAS streak.
Only HCW is below par and it's always been irritatibg to me.
Loneliness doesn't get enough love. The guitar part after "must be so determined and push myself on" is beaut.
Love that part in ATG "he paved the way for Christianity. Marching on. Marching on!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 25, 2021, 05:51:31 PM
Talking SIT:

Another amazing album in the incredible NOTB - SSOAS streak.
Only HCW is below par and it's always been irritatibg to me.
Loneliness doesn't get enough love. The guitar part after "must be so determined and push myself on" is beaut.
Love that part in ATG "he paved the way for Christianity. Marching on. Marching on!"

I'm with you on Heaven Can Wait. It's an amazing song live though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
We talk about bands that have songs that age well, or don't age well.

For me, Heaven Can Wait is one of their songs that has actually aged the strongest.

The funny thing is, when SiT came out, I actually considered it my favorite Maiden album for a while. I thought it was so refreshing over the disappointing Powerslave. Ironically, it was Powerslave that has aged really well for me and SiT really has not. That said, I was never a fan of Heaven Can Wait. I could never understand why it stayed in the live show through the next 6 album tours.

But I really love the song now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2021, 06:03:26 PM
Regarding the Somewhere In Time tour, I never understood why they played Rime and not Alexander.
But they did play Phantom. That was before the days of knowing the setlist ahead of time. When those first few notes of Phantom started, I went crazy!




Troy NY, 1-11-87
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu64ESskzR4&t=1s


Still probably my all time favorite video bootleg. I watched this endlessly in the late 80's.
One thing I like about it is that it actually has a decent view of Nicko.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2021, 06:11:32 PM
Triple post..

I'll post a couple of my own shots from that tour for those that haven't seen them..

March 30, 1987
Civic Center
Providence RI


(https://i.imgur.com/DU5bT8M.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AfJQqDD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zHU0q6B.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ondad39.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YZAdU5i.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 25, 2021, 06:19:52 PM
Regarding the Somewhere In Time tour, I never understood why they played Rime and not Alexander.
But they did play Phantom. That was before the days of knowing the setlist ahead of time. When those first few notes of Phantom started, I went crazy!




Troy NY, 1-11-87
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu64ESskzR4&t=1s


Still probably my all time favorite video bootleg. I watched this endlessly in the late 80's.
One thing I like about it is that it actually has a decent view of Nicko.

Friggin’ love Phantom of the Opera!!!! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
Those opening notes of Phantom during that show is a Top 5 concert moment for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 25, 2021, 06:27:53 PM
Just mention a tour and TAC throws his photos in your face.  :biggrin:

Cool!   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dedalus on September 25, 2021, 06:28:07 PM
Delete please  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 25, 2021, 06:35:37 PM
Regarding the Somewhere In Time tour, I never understood why they played Rime and not Alexander.

I think someone in here posted one of the band members saying there was a part the band couldn't pull off live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2021, 06:39:24 PM
Regarding the Somewhere In Time tour, I never understood why they played Rime and not Alexander.

I think someone in here posted one of the band members saying there was a part the band couldn't pull off live.

That tour is literally one of my Top 3 Maiden shows, but I always thought Rime didn't exactly fit the futuristic motiff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2021, 07:02:31 PM
Pro shot footage from the Philly inhouse cameras. Unfortunately a couple of songs are basically cut including Caught Somewhere In Time, but it's 85% of the entire show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1EE-YR4fi4&t=1s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 25, 2021, 07:52:40 PM
Regarding the Somewhere In Time tour, I never understood why they played Rime and not Alexander.

I think someone in here posted one of the band members saying there was a part the band couldn't pull off live.

That tour is literally one of my Top 3 Maiden shows, but I always thought Rime didn't exactly fit the futuristic motiff.

Yes Unless the Rime of the “ancient” Mariner was Caught somewhere in time.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2021, 07:54:04 PM
Regarding the Somewhere In Time tour, I never understood why they played Rime and not Alexander.

I think someone in here posted one of the band members saying there was a part the band couldn't pull off live.

That tour is literally one of my Top 3 Maiden shows, but I always thought Rime didn't exactly fit the futuristic motiff.

Yes Unless the Rime of the “ancient” Mariner was Caught somewhere in time.  :biggrin:

Which would make the Mariner a stranger in a strange land.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 25, 2021, 08:06:48 PM
Regarding the Somewhere In Time tour, I never understood why they played Rime and not Alexander.

I think someone in here posted one of the band members saying there was a part the band couldn't pull off live.

That tour is literally one of my Top 3 Maiden shows, but I always thought Rime didn't exactly fit the futuristic motiff.

Yes Unless the Rime of the “ancient” Mariner was Caught somewhere in time.  :biggrin:

Which would make the Mariner a stranger in a strange land.

So Alexander The Great is at a Losfer Words in a flash of the blade in a sea of madness?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2021, 08:13:44 PM
Regarding the Somewhere In Time tour, I never understood why they played Rime and not Alexander.

I think someone in here posted one of the band members saying there was a part the band couldn't pull off live.

That tour is literally one of my Top 3 Maiden shows, but I always thought Rime didn't exactly fit the futuristic motiff.

Yes Unless the Rime of the “ancient” Mariner was Caught somewhere in time.  :biggrin:

Which would make the Mariner a stranger in a strange land.

So Alexander The Great is at a Losfer Words in a flash of the blade in a sea of madness?

(https://i.imgflip.com/1ily6w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 25, 2021, 08:27:09 PM
Talking SIT:

Another amazing album in the incredible NOTB - SSOAS streak.
Only HCW is below par and it's always been irritatibg to me.
Loneliness doesn't get enough love. The guitar part after "must be so determined and push myself on" is beaut.
Love that part in ATG "he paved the way for Christianity. Marching on. Marching on!"

I'm with you on Heaven Can Wait. It's an amazing song live though.

I love HCW. We’re talking a few seconds of chorus here guys, the rest of the song is awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 25, 2021, 09:42:24 PM
Somewhere In Time is also a Top3 Maiden fer me and concur with others only HCW is less than stellar but it's still great!  Not reading much love for DeJa Vu, but even it is an album essential \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 26, 2021, 12:36:17 AM
Talking SIT:

Another amazing album in the incredible NOTB - SSOAS streak.
Only HCW is below par and it's always been irritatibg to me.
Loneliness doesn't get enough love. The guitar part after "must be so determined and push myself on" is beaut.
Love that part in ATG "he paved the way for Christianity. Marching on. Marching on!"

I'm with you on Heaven Can Wait. It's an amazing song live though.

I love HCW. We’re talking a few seconds of chorus here guys, the rest of the song is awesome.

I have enjoyed it live when I've seen them. The whoa whoa whoa thing is really fun live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 26, 2021, 12:42:06 AM
Echoing the thought that live is where HCW really kills it. It was a mid tier song until I heard it live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 26, 2021, 04:16:13 AM
I've always loved Heaven can wait. The chorus just makes me feel good, it's incredible to hear Maiden pull of a major key so well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2021, 06:42:37 AM
Pro shot footage from the Philly inhouse cameras. Unfortunately a couple of songs are basically cut including Caught Somewhere In Time, but it's 85% of the entire show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1EE-YR4fi4&t=1s

Holy shit, this is legit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 26, 2021, 09:56:33 AM
I love QFF lyrics  :lol

In a time when dinosaurs walked the earth
When the land was swamp and caves were home
In an age when prize possession was fire
To search for landscapes men would roam

Then the tribes they came to steal their fire
And the wolves they howled into the night
As they fought a vicious angry battle
To save the power of warmth and light

You'd think Ben Jamin wrote those lyrics.

It's about Power Rangers and their Dinozords saving the Earths fire from being stolen by the tribe of Lord Zedd and Rita.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2021, 02:18:46 PM
Senjutsu is still holding very strong in the listening rotation.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 26, 2021, 03:26:57 PM
Senjutsu is still holding very strong in the listening rotation.

Same here, and I'm liking it a little bit more every time. Still haven't quite decided where it ranks in the reunion era, as I like to give these things a little more time  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 26, 2021, 03:41:05 PM
Yeah, gave it a good start to end listen while doing an annoying plumbing job in the kitchen yesterday. Really great and consistent record.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 26, 2021, 03:46:51 PM
I'm still hitting it daily, but I've been playing a ton of Maiden as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2021, 05:25:29 PM
I'm still hitting it daily, but I've been playing a ton of Maiden as well.

I want to listen to their other albums but that means not listening to Senjutsu.

I'm back to the Parchment being my fav.

This album is incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 26, 2021, 06:18:00 PM
I'm still hitting it daily, but I've been playing a ton of Maiden as well.

I want to listen to their other albums but that means not listening to Senjutsu.

I'm back to the Parchment being my fav.

This album is incredible.

What do you think about the title track? I'm finding it a little easy to skip.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2021, 06:49:22 PM
I'm still hitting it daily, but I've been playing a ton of Maiden as well.

I want to listen to their other albums but that means not listening to Senjutsu.

I'm back to the Parchment being my fav.

This album is incredible.

What do you think about the title track? I'm finding it a little easy to skip.

I really like it but it could be chopped down a couple of minutes.  I love the simple heavy opening riff though.

To be honest, this album could just be CD2 with Lost World added in and I'd still think it's just as good.  5 amazing career best tracks IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 26, 2021, 07:03:53 PM

What do you think about the title track? I'm finding it a little easy to skip.

I really like it but it could be chopped down a couple of minutes.  I love the simple heavy opening riff though.

To be honest, this album could just be CD2 with Lost World added in and I'd still think it's just as good.  5 amazing career best tracks IMO.

I like the title track a lot - it's cool how different it is from the typical IM opener, and how it almost serves as a build-up to the album itself. And I love how vocal melody in the chorus resolves, it's a great Bruce moment for me. My least favorite on the album might just be Stratego, and even that is a thoroughly enjoyable track. One favorite from CD1 that I don't see mentioned often is The Time Machine. My overall favorite...probably The Parchment, at the moment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 27, 2021, 06:00:30 AM
Think the title track serves as the perfect opener and unless  picking through particular songs the album doesn't open better with any the other tracks?

Anyway, while there's some other stellar numbers to be had fer this fan nothing much beats Lost In A Lost World (Bruce's XFactor moment) and Hell On Earth (Seventh Son-like to my ears) both those are serious contenders for Top whatever Maiden lists 😁

At this age it's a rare thing to be truly moved by new music like back when, but while A Matter Of Life And Death came awfully close and BOS was fantastic, not since Brave New World have I been as absorbed with a Maiden album as am with Senjutsu, quite the profound impact \m/


But I do have to shout out for Blaze's killer new one too. 

So weird how when Maiden released Brave New World it overshadowed Blaze's magnificent Silicon Messiah and here we are again 20 years later Maiden and Blaze again releasing some of their finest works in the very same year. 

But yeah, weird but super grateful to have both these albums :metal

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 27, 2021, 09:11:42 AM
So I wore my Senjutsu tshirt to a big rock festival on Saturday.  Got so many compliments from people including a little kid who almost brought a tear to my eye when he told me Iron Maiden were his favorite band  :metal

But seriously, literally every single person who talked to me about Iron Maiden actually admitted they haven't even listened to Senjutsu  :facepalm: I'm talking around 5 different people I had conversations with about Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 27, 2021, 09:36:33 AM
OK, I just hit the "purchase" button on Amazon for this and the new NMB.  Looking forward to it.  I'm guessing, even before purchase, that with this haul, new DT coming out, and Evergrey and TA releasing albums earlier in the year, my top 5 for 2021 is set.

Regarding SiT, as I've said before, I just adore that album.  It and PoM flip back and forth as my favorite of the classic era.  Even with the "low point" of Powerslave in the middle, the run from Beast through SiT was just incredible. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 27, 2021, 10:05:11 AM
I like the title track a lot - it's cool how different it is from the typical IM opener, and how it almost serves as a build-up to the album itself.

I really agree with this. I think the song it's most similar to is Face in the Sand, and I have always felt that Face in the Sand would be in an interesting, if unconventional, opener, because of how it builds up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2021, 05:53:56 PM
Moving along in my journey, although I really liked a few songs and a lot of moments from others, I thought Seventh Son of a Seventh Son was kind of a mess on the first listen, but the second listen was a lot better.  Moonchild was instantly badass, though.

I have to admit I am getting a little nervous as I know the 90's albums are coming next. I am sensing rough times ahead.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 27, 2021, 06:40:30 PM
HUGE fan of Seventh Son here. As I said earlier, it currently sits in my Maiden top 3. It wasn't always that way...I didn't connect with it right away, when I first listened to it (many moons ago...). But now it might well be the one I go back to the most in the "classic" run.

You are right - Moonchild is an incredibly badass opener  ;D My favorite song on the album is Infinite Dreams.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 27, 2021, 06:41:44 PM
Infinite Dreams is probably a top 5 Maiden songs for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 27, 2021, 07:10:22 PM
Moving along in my journey, although I really liked a few songs and a lot of moments from others, I thought Seventh Son of a Seventh Son was kind of a mess on the first listen, but the second listen was a lot better.  Moonchild was instantly badass, though.

I have to admit I am getting a little nervous as I know the 90's albums are coming next. I am sensing rough times ahead.  :lol :lol

It will be interesting to hear a fresh take on them. The Blaze albums are especially divisive with many either liking both or not even bothering with either. I feel I might be in the minority in that I put TXF in the top 5, but VXI as a thunderous turd. But you’ve got two so-so Bruce albums to get through before you get to the Blaze albums anyway. l
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 27, 2021, 07:17:50 PM
Weeks ago I saw insanely awful and flat out abusive comments on Senjutsu. I listened to the first single, I liked it (didn’t love it at first) as this other forum set the bar LOW. When the album came out I listened all the way through and was hooked. It’s different but I’m glad they didn’t try recreating older classics and the outcome is excellent to my ears. There’s something very mature and organic about it and it flows nicely. I like this better than AMoLaD and BoS even though I enjoy them both.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 27, 2021, 07:30:48 PM
It will be interesting to hear a fresh take on them. The Blaze albums are especially divisive with many either liking both or not even bothering with either. I feel I might be in the minority in that I put TXF in the top 5, but VXI as a thunderous turd.

Love TXF but find VXI pretty crappy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 27, 2021, 10:03:04 PM
I think Virtual XI shows some clear growing pains but is ultimately a good album that gets way more hate than it deserves. But I arrive at that opinion starting from a place of loving post-VXI Maiden musically and Blaze Bayley as a singer, and of not much minding repetition in Maiden's music. It's a bit of an odd comparison, but I feel about VXI almost the way I feel about WDADU. I can point clearly to the flaws in both, but I adore them because they have a lot of legitimately excellent music and they clearly prefigure spectacular things to come.

I put both Blaze albums far, far above the other two 90s albums. They deserve it IMO just on the fact that most of NPftD and FotD feel like a regression, while TXF and VXI are the start of something new and wonderful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 27, 2021, 11:11:31 PM
Agreed. And I'd contend that without the reinvention taking place through The X Factor and Virtual XI, latter day Iron Maiden would be very different and may not even exist.

I just don't get the hate for Virtual XI. Yes, there's boundless repetition in the lyrics but the music itself is excellent.

The X Factor remains a top five or so album for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 28, 2021, 12:03:31 AM
HUGE fan of Seventh Son here. As I said earlier, it currently sits in my Maiden top 3.

It's my favourite Maiden album ever, and Somewhere In Time is a close 2nd. I love that period, and don't mind the addition of synths.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 28, 2021, 12:13:07 AM
Educated Fool, Two Worlds, Clansman, Lightning, all killer tunes.  Educated Fool probably my fav on VXI.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 28, 2021, 03:51:37 AM
The Educated Fool needs the Bruce treatment .  That’s a great tune.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 28, 2021, 04:18:02 AM
Lighting Strikes Twice should have had just a minor change in the chorus:

Maybe lightning strikes twice,
Maybe lightning strikes twice
Maybe lightning strikes twice,
Maybe lighting STRIKES!!!

Not that it saves the repetition problem but it has more punch.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 28, 2021, 05:29:28 AM
The Educated Fool needs the Bruce treatment .  That’s a great tune.

Would love to hear that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 28, 2021, 07:32:49 AM
Educated Fool, Two Worlds, Clansman, Lightning, all killer tunes.  Educated Fool probably my fav on VXI.

I really like The Educated Fool, and I think When Two Worlds Collide is criminally overlooked. Blaze sounds so good on that one.

I actually like all eight songs. Some of them are just somewhat more flawed than others.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 28, 2021, 07:38:08 AM
If you removed The Angel and The Gambler, V11 all of the sudden becomes a solid album  :lol I hate that song so much it makes me rank the album the worst in the catalog, but the reality is, for me, it's just that one song that ruins the album. 

The Educated Fool needs the Bruce treatment .  That’s a great tune.

Would love to hear that.

Yup, I think this is the best song on V11 and would probably work really well live with Bruce singing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 28, 2021, 08:05:45 AM
Moving along in my journey, although I really liked a few songs and a lot of moments from others, I thought Seventh Son of a Seventh Son was kind of a mess on the first listen, but the second listen was a lot better.  Moonchild was instantly badass, though.

I have to admit I am getting a little nervous as I know the 90's albums are coming next. I am sensing rough times ahead.  :lol :lol

Your spider-sense is working well, although there are some gems on those next 2 Bruce albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 28, 2021, 08:44:56 AM
Moving along in my journey, although I really liked a few songs and a lot of moments from others, I thought Seventh Son of a Seventh Son was kind of a mess on the first listen, but the second listen was a lot better.  Moonchild was instantly badass, though.

I have to admit I am getting a little nervous as I know the 90's albums are coming next. I am sensing rough times ahead.  :lol :lol

It will be interesting to hear a fresh take on them. The Blaze albums are especially divisive with many either liking both or not even bothering with either. I feel I might be in the minority in that I put TXF in the top 5, but VXI as a thunderous turd. But you’ve got two so-so Bruce albums to get through before you get to the Blaze albums anyway. l
This, especially the bolded. The X Factor does have a hardcore fanbase nowadays, even though it was pretty much rejected when it came out. There are people that like the remaining three albums as well, but the general concensus is that those are the bottom tier Maiden albums for the most part, with the exceptions of several songs here and there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 28, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
What do you mangs think of the recent remasters of Maiden albums?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 28, 2021, 09:43:38 AM
Moving along in my journey, although I really liked a few songs and a lot of moments from others, I thought Seventh Son of a Seventh Son was kind of a mess on the first listen, but the second listen was a lot better.  Moonchild was instantly badass, though.

Seventh Son, as a whole, has never clicked for me.  I recall hearing Can I Play with Madness as the first "single" on the radio.  It was Maiden, so it didn't suck, but there was a fair amount of "what the fuck was that?"  Moonchild is definitely kick ass, and the title track is almost certainly a top five Maiden track for me, but the quality goes down precipitously from there.  The Evil that Men do is is pretty good, but lyrically, the pre-chorus and chorus are lazy and awful and drag down what is otherwise some good melodies.  Only the Good Die Young is just ok.  Infinite Dreams, The Prophecy and The Clairvoyant are probably all bottom ten '80s Maiden songs (right down there with Twilight Zone).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 28, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
I'm with you on the head-scratching of CIPWM? (we used to sing "Can I Make A Sandwich!") but I LOVE The Clairvoyant and Infinite Dreams.

Switching gears, I don't quite get the hate for TA&TG.  Then again, I think the "repetition!" complaint is way over blown too, but that's me. 

I don't care for the  Blaze records all that much, but it's not like they are "bad" or anything. By any other group, I think they would solid '90s records.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 28, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
I really like The Angel and the Gambler. I think it has a cool stadium-rock vibe, and Blaze tears it up. I don't mind the length or the repetition. I know not every Maiden fan is taken with The Red and the Black, but for those who are: I think the road to The Red and the Black runs straight through The Angel and the Gambler.

On Can I Play with Madness, someone I know misheard it as "Can I play with magnets?" and that's what it is to me now. I think it's a bit of a strange song, though not a bad one. Definitely drags down Seventh Son on the whole, though, because the other seven songs are all really good to great. Contra pg, I'd put The Clairvoyant and Infinite Dreams down as top ten 80s Maiden songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 28, 2021, 11:07:58 AM
Infinite Dreams, The Prophecy and The Clairvoyant are probably all bottom ten '80s Maiden songs (right down there with Twilight Zone).

 :o

Where is this strong dislike for Infinite Dreams from?   ;D It's such an amazing song to me - the whole, um, dreamy atmosphere at the beginning, the melodies, the solos (fantastic drumming under the two melodic lead breaks too)...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 28, 2021, 11:30:04 AM
The Clairvoyant is awesomeness.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 28, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
Infinite Dreams is great IMO, The Clairvoyant and Can I Play With Madness I like much less, but I don't dislike either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 28, 2021, 11:56:00 AM
Only The Good Die Young is one of my top Maiden tunes. Love it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 28, 2021, 12:00:08 PM
Only The Good Die Young is one of my top Maiden tunes. Love it.

I love that one  :metal
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Post by: Zydar on September 28, 2021, 12:03:58 PM
I love every song on Seventh Son except The Prophecy. Could never get into that one. Cool outro though.
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Post by: 425 on September 28, 2021, 12:35:29 PM
Only The Good Die Young is one of my top Maiden tunes. Love it.

I love that one  :metal

This might be the most underrated 80s Maiden song, IMO. It's really, really good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 28, 2021, 12:49:49 PM
Infinite Dreams, The Prophecy and The Clairvoyant are probably all bottom ten '80s Maiden songs (right down there with Twilight Zone).

 :o

Where is this strong dislike for Infinite Dreams from?   ;D It's such an amazing song to me - the whole, um, dreamy atmosphere at the beginning, the melodies, the solos (fantastic drumming under the two melodic lead breaks too)...

Where is it coming from?  There's no under the surface motivation.  It's just an opinion that formed when I first heard the song in 1988 and which hasn't changed over the past 33+ years.  It sounds like Maiden's attempt to write a song for a Vegas lounge singer.  The part where he sings about someone chasing a caribou is better, but it's still kind of blah and mid-tempo (and yes, I know that's not really what he sings....).  The tempo change at 1:44 is awkward and feels like they just sandwiched two ideas together without any consideration of trying to blend them.  The vocal lines are all rather monotonous.  The up-tempo triplet feel section starting at 3:14 isn't bad (especially when the harmony guitars start), but it doesn't seem to fit the rest of the song.  If the rest of the song fit with that section it would be a MUCH better song.

As for the Clairvoyant, the intro is boring AF.  The verses are pretty good, but the chorus sounds like something they lifted from a child's nursery rhyme (not lyrically, obviously).
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Post by: Stadler on September 28, 2021, 12:50:47 PM
The Clairvoyant is awesomeness.

It might even have made my top 20 (at least of pre-reunion songs).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2021, 12:53:13 PM
This should come as no surprise since I have posted along these lines in the past, but here is my take on Maiden's discography, album by album (not ranked):

LOVE these releases:
-Number of the Beast
-Piece of Mind
-Somewhere in Time
-Dance of Death
-The Final Frontier
-The Book of Souls

Like these releases:
-Powerslave
-Brave New World
-A Matter of Life and Death

Don't like:
-Killers
-Seventh Son

Don't have/have not listened to:
-Iron Maiden
-No Prayer
-Fear of the Dark
-The X Factor
-Virtual XI
-Senjutsu

Basically, I love most of the '80s "classic" albums, and most of the reunion albums.  I don't dislike any of the Bruce albums I have heard, other than Seventh Son, which, other than a couple of songs, does nothing for me whatsoever. 

I don't really care for what I've heard of Maiden with singers other than Bruce (although I like those songs that I've heard live where Bruce sings them and they have more energy in a live setting).  As far as getting those other albums, I don't really feel an urgent need to be a completeist.  Senjutsu doesn't count, as I plan to get that (in fact, it is supposed to arrive tomorrow).  As for the rest, I may eventually get around to getting the two '90s Bruce albums that I don't have.  Just not much of a priority.  Even less of a priority than that would be the Blaze albums.  And then Iron Maiden being much, much less of a priority.  Honestly, I don't know that I'll ever have enough of a desire to get any of these. 

That said, I'm doing a listen-through on those albums that I haven't heard.  X Factor is first.  I am about 3/4 through it as I type this.  My general reactions:  I don't hate it, and it is actually mostly better than I was expecting given what I have heard.  Here is the major hurdle I have:  I have heard Bruce do some of these songs, and they sound much better to me in a live setting.  That is partly due to the music just having more energy in general, and Bruce just being a more powerful singer and having an unmatchable live presence.  And even though that comparison only holds for the small number of songs I have heard them do live with Bruce, it taints my enjoyment of the entire album, as I can't help but think how much better they would probably sound with Bruce on vocals.  There are definitely songs where Blaze does a passable job.  But in other places, I just don't feel that he brings enough energy or range to make them sound as good as they could.  The production also seems a bit flat and sucks the energy out of the songs a bit.  (I feel similarly to a lot of Epica songs, where their studio albums just sound flat and not as heavy or energetic as they should, even though those same songs are amazing in a live setting)  But I am definitely hearing some things I like on this album--more than I would have thought.  I'm liking quite a few of the tracks Bruce has not sung on.  Blood on the World's Hands is a standout to my uninformed ears.  But on the ones Bruce has done live, it's just too much of a hurdle for me to enjoy these songs.  They just sound like they are missing too much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 28, 2021, 12:59:44 PM

Where is it coming from?  There's no under the surface motivation.  It's just an opinion that formed when I first heard the song in 1988 and which hasn't changed over the past 33+ years.  It sounds like Maiden's attempt to write a song for a Vegas lounge singer.  The part where he sings about someone chasing a caribou is better, but it's still kind of blah and mid-tempo (and yes, I know that's not really what he sings....).  The tempo change at 1:44 is awkward and feels like they just sandwiched two ideas together without any consideration of trying to blend them.  The vocal lines are all rather monotonous.  The up-tempo triplet feel section starting at 3:14 isn't bad (especially when the harmony guitars start), but it doesn't seem to fit the rest of the song.  If the rest of the song fit with that section it would be a MUCH better song.


I wasn't implying there had to be a non-music related reason  :) it's the bottom 10 80s song statement that caught my eye (given how much I enjoy it instead),  so I was just curious about what it is in the song you dislike so much ...and you were pretty clear about it  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on September 28, 2021, 01:07:44 PM
Bosk, I agree about Blaze Bayley. I still do not understand why they chose him while still intending to play older material. I watched a little documentary about that era of Maiden and Blaze seems like a really cool dude. That must've been a big factor as to why he was chosen but his singing...I'm just not into it, even on the albums they made with him.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 28, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
The production also seems a bit flat and sucks the energy out of the songs a bit. 

This is definitely what kills the X factor for most people, myself included although I acknowledge that the songs themselves are pretty good.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2021, 01:18:06 PM
@Herrick:  Yeah, I'm trying to give Blaze a fair shake and not be unduly influenced by the fact that I know this is Maiden and he is not Bruce.  And that is hard to do.  But I'm finding that, that aside, I just don't care for his singing style--at least, not in this band.  Even the songs on X Factor and, from what I am hearing at the beginning of Virtual XI, don't seem like a good fit for him.  I keep finding myself silently screaming at the player, "Come ON, Blaze!  I really WANT to like you.  SHOW me SOMETHING!!!"  Now, it could very well be that, as with Charlie Dominicci in DT, if I heard him in a different setting with songs he had a hand in writing that are written specifically with a view toward his voice, I might come to a different conclusion about him as a singer.  But I'm just not liking what I am hearing of him in Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 28, 2021, 01:31:44 PM
I've been listening recently to some of the acoustic Iron Maiden covers that Thomas Zwijsen has done with Blaze singing, and I really got into the Judgment of Heaven (https://youtu.be/OhXtnPZHOh0) one. It may not convince Blaze skeptics, but it's a really cool performance for those who like the man. Just an acoustic guitar, a violin, and Blaze, in a church.

Also, it may be a controversial opinion at this point, but I like Blaze better than Bruce on Lord of the Flies and Sign of the Cross—although I think of Rock in Rio as the definitive version of SotC because the production is much better. It's tough, though, because I also like the album tempo better than the RiR tempo.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 28, 2021, 01:47:44 PM
@Herrick:  Yeah, I'm trying to give Blaze a fair shake and not be unduly influenced by the fact that I know this is Maiden and he is not Bruce.  And that is hard to do.  But I'm finding that, that aside, I just don't care for his singing style--at least, not in this band.  Even the songs on X Factor and, from what I am hearing at the beginning of Virtual XI, don't seem like a good fit for him.  I keep finding myself silently screaming at the player, "Come ON, Blaze!  I really WANT to like you.  SHOW me SOMETHING!!!"  Now, it could very well be that, as with Charlie Dominicci in DT, if I heard him in a different setting with songs he had a hand in writing that are written specifically with a view toward his voice, I might come to a different conclusion about him as a singer.  But I'm just not liking what I am hearing of him in Maiden.

Sounds like you really need to check out Silicon Messiah and The Tenth Dimension, his two first solo albums.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 28, 2021, 01:49:45 PM
@Herrick:  Yeah, I'm trying to give Blaze a fair shake and not be unduly influenced by the fact that I know this is Maiden and he is not Bruce.  And that is hard to do.  But I'm finding that, that aside, I just don't care for his singing style--at least, not in this band.  Even the songs on X Factor and, from what I am hearing at the beginning of Virtual XI, don't seem like a good fit for him.  I keep finding myself silently screaming at the player, "Come ON, Blaze!  I really WANT to like you.  SHOW me SOMETHING!!!"  Now, it could very well be that, as with Charlie Dominicci in DT, if I heard him in a different setting with songs he had a hand in writing that are written specifically with a view toward his voice, I might come to a different conclusion about him as a singer.  But I'm just not liking what I am hearing of him in Maiden.

Sounds like you really need to check out Silicon Messiah and The Tenth Dimension, his two first solo albums.

Or just go to his latest, War Within Me.  I think it's really good. (not that there's anything wrong with the albums you suggested, both good as well) It's amazing how much better he sounds on his solo albums.  Steve Harris didn't give him any help at all between the way he sounds on the album and then making him sing older songs that just don't work with his voice and range. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 28, 2021, 01:54:23 PM
@Herrick:  Yeah, I'm trying to give Blaze a fair shake and not be unduly influenced by the fact that I know this is Maiden and he is not Bruce.  And that is hard to do.  But I'm finding that, that aside, I just don't care for his singing style--at least, not in this band.  Even the songs on X Factor and, from what I am hearing at the beginning of Virtual XI, don't seem like a good fit for him.  I keep finding myself silently screaming at the player, "Come ON, Blaze!  I really WANT to like you.  SHOW me SOMETHING!!!"  Now, it could very well be that, as with Charlie Dominicci in DT, if I heard him in a different setting with songs he had a hand in writing that are written specifically with a view toward his voice, I might come to a different conclusion about him as a singer.  But I'm just not liking what I am hearing of him in Maiden.

That's 100% me.  I've heard so many good stories about him being a cool guy and what not, but I just have a hard time connecting with his singing on the two Maiden records.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 28, 2021, 01:58:39 PM
I've been listening recently to some of the acoustic Iron Maiden covers that Thomas Zwijsen has done with Blaze singing, and I really got into the Judgment of Heaven (https://youtu.be/OhXtnPZHOh0) one. It may not convince Blaze skeptics, but it's a really cool performance for those who like the man. Just an acoustic guitar, a violin, and Blaze, in a church.

Also, it may be a controversial opinion at this point, but I like Blaze better than Bruce on Lord of the Flies and Sign of the Cross—although I think of Rock in Rio as the definitive version of SotC because the production is much better. It's tough, though, because I also like the album tempo better than the RiR tempo.

After seeing Bruce sing that on the Legacy Of The Beast tour,  Bruce owns that song now.  That was the definitive version for me (the show I saw - Hartford, CT - can be heard by someone who wants to hear it). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 28, 2021, 02:08:15 PM
Sad hearing about Paul Di'annos knee, he seems to be in really bad shape.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 28, 2021, 02:16:24 PM
I've been listening recently to some of the acoustic Iron Maiden covers that Thomas Zwijsen has done with Blaze singing, and I really got into the Judgment of Heaven (https://youtu.be/OhXtnPZHOh0) one. It may not convince Blaze skeptics, but it's a really cool performance for those who like the man. Just an acoustic guitar, a violin, and Blaze, in a church.

Also, it may be a controversial opinion at this point, but I like Blaze better than Bruce on Lord of the Flies and Sign of the Cross—although I think of Rock in Rio as the definitive version of SotC because the production is much better. It's tough, though, because I also like the album tempo better than the RiR tempo.

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2021, 02:24:29 PM
Quick thoughts on V XI:  Production and songwriting are better than X Favor to my ears.  But the vocals still leave me cold, and even with the other two improvements, I don't hear anything that makes me want to come back for more.  I don't see myself ever buying these. 

Starting No Prayer now...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 28, 2021, 02:27:01 PM
@Herrick:  Yeah, I'm trying to give Blaze a fair shake and not be unduly influenced by the fact that I know this is Maiden and he is not Bruce.  And that is hard to do.  But I'm finding that, that aside, I just don't care for his singing style--at least, not in this band.  Even the songs on X Factor and, from what I am hearing at the beginning of Virtual XI, don't seem like a good fit for him.  I keep finding myself silently screaming at the player, "Come ON, Blaze!  I really WANT to like you.  SHOW me SOMETHING!!!"  Now, it could very well be that, as with Charlie Dominicci in DT, if I heard him in a different setting with songs he had a hand in writing that are written specifically with a view toward his voice, I might come to a different conclusion about him as a singer.  But I'm just not liking what I am hearing of him in Maiden.

Dominici solo band tune, very cool tune!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2VhKwPMTwc8
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
I'm familiar.  And that isn't remotely the best song on the album.  Remember, I said just a few posts above that I really like his voice on material that was actually written to his strengths (unlike WDADU, which decidedly was NOT).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 28, 2021, 03:09:43 PM
I wasn't implying there had to be a non-music related reason  :) it's the bottom 10 80s song statement that caught my eye (given how much I enjoy it instead),  so I was just curious about what it is in the song you dislike so much ...and you were pretty clear about it  :biggrin:

The other thing to consider is how strong Maiden's catalog in the '80s is.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many '80s Maiden songs that I can truly say I don't like and would want to skip:

- On the debut, maybe Strange World
- On Killers, Twilight Zone
- Nothing on TNOTB or POM
- On Powerslave, Back in the Village
- Nothing on Somewhere in Time
- Infinite Dreams and probably The Prophecy and The Clairvoyant

That means if I were to rank all of the '80s songs, there'd be four songs I like in the bottom 10.
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Post by: Mladen on September 28, 2021, 03:15:08 PM
@Herrick:  Yeah, I'm trying to give Blaze a fair shake and not be unduly influenced by the fact that I know this is Maiden and he is not Bruce.  And that is hard to do.  But I'm finding that, that aside, I just don't care for his singing style--at least, not in this band.  Even the songs on X Factor and, from what I am hearing at the beginning of Virtual XI, don't seem like a good fit for him.  I keep finding myself silently screaming at the player, "Come ON, Blaze!  I really WANT to like you.  SHOW me SOMETHING!!!"  Now, it could very well be that, as with Charlie Dominicci in DT, if I heard him in a different setting with songs he had a hand in writing that are written specifically with a view toward his voice, I might come to a different conclusion about him as a singer.  But I'm just not liking what I am hearing of him in Maiden.
How about these bits?

1. "Here comes the nightmare that never ends, here is the dream that makes monsters of men."
2. "After the war and that no one has won, I'm just a soldier!"
3. "Here, I am the knife in my hand, and now I understand why the genius must die."

I personally get enough power and conviction from his delivery throughout the album. On tracks like Blood on the world's hands and The Edge of darkness in particular, he gets into a comfortable register and just nails it all the way through.

The production doesn't do him justice, though, but the rest of the band is also kind of suffering from the production.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2021, 03:31:02 PM
No Prayer bored me to tears.  Sorry for those who may like it.  I didn't really find a single song that made me want to keep listening. 

On the first song of Fear of the Dark and it is already a more interesting album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 28, 2021, 03:34:25 PM
I wasn't implying there had to be a non-music related reason  :) it's the bottom 10 80s song statement that caught my eye (given how much I enjoy it instead),  so I was just curious about what it is in the song you dislike so much ...and you were pretty clear about it  :biggrin:

The other thing to consider is how strong Maiden's catalog in the '80s is.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many '80s Maiden songs that I can truly say I don't like and would want to skip:

- On the debut, maybe Strange World
- On Killers, Twilight Zone
- Nothing on TNOTB or POM
- On Powerslave, Back in the Village
- Nothing on Somewhere in Time
- Infinite Dreams and probably The Prophecy and The Clairvoyant

That means if I were to rank all of the '80s songs, there'd be four songs I like in the bottom 10.

You crazy, man. 

Debut: Nothing
Killers:  Wratchschild (maybe)
TNOTB: Gangland
POM: Quest For Fire (though I'm not a huge fan of Sun And Steel)
Powerslave: Nothing (though I'm not a huge fan of The Duellists)
SiT: TLOTLDR (maybe)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 28, 2021, 03:37:48 PM
How about these bits?

1. "Here comes the nightmare that never ends, here is the dream that makes monsters of men."
2. "After the war and that no one has won, I'm just a soldier!"
3. "Here, I am the knife in my hand, and now I understand why the genius must die."

I personally get enough power and conviction from his delivery throughout the album. On tracks like Blood on the world's hands and The Edge of darkness in particular, he gets into a comfortable register and just nails it all the way through.

The production doesn't do him justice, though, but the rest of the band is also kind of suffering from the production.

Great list. Since bosk probably doesn't remember where those lyrics come from after listening to the album just once, I'll add that 1 comes from Look for the Truth, 2 from The Aftermath, and 3 from The Edge of Darkness

I'll add a couple from VXI:
1. "Is it the rolling of thunder that scares you? Is it the crashing of clouds that hold fear?" (Lightning Strikes Twice)
2. "Inside the scream is silent, inside it must remain, no victory and no vanquished, only horror, only pain" (Como Estais Amigos)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 28, 2021, 03:47:03 PM
I wasn't implying there had to be a non-music related reason  :) it's the bottom 10 80s song statement that caught my eye (given how much I enjoy it instead),  so I was just curious about what it is in the song you dislike so much ...and you were pretty clear about it  :biggrin:

The other thing to consider is how strong Maiden's catalog in the '80s is.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many '80s Maiden songs that I can truly say I don't like and would want to skip:

- On the debut, maybe Strange World
- On Killers, Twilight Zone
- Nothing on TNOTB or POM
- On Powerslave, Back in the Village
- Nothing on Somewhere in Time
- Infinite Dreams and probably The Prophecy and The Clairvoyant

That means if I were to rank all of the '80s songs, there'd be four songs I like in the bottom 10.

You crazy, man. 

Debut: Nothing
Killers:  Wratchschild (maybe)
TNOTB: Gangland
POM: Quest For Fire (though I'm not a huge fan of Sun And Steel)
Powerslave: Nothing (though I'm not a huge fan of The Duellists)
SiT: TLOTLDR (maybe)

By far one of the bands most underrated songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 28, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
@Herrick:  Yeah, I'm trying to give Blaze a fair shake and not be unduly influenced by the fact that I know this is Maiden and he is not Bruce.  And that is hard to do.  But I'm finding that, that aside, I just don't care for his singing style--at least, not in this band.  Even the songs on X Factor and, from what I am hearing at the beginning of Virtual XI, don't seem like a good fit for him.  I keep finding myself silently screaming at the player, "Come ON, Blaze!  I really WANT to like you.  SHOW me SOMETHING!!!"  Now, it could very well be that, as with Charlie Dominicci in DT, if I heard him in a different setting with songs he had a hand in writing that are written specifically with a view toward his voice, I might come to a different conclusion about him as a singer.  But I'm just not liking what I am hearing of him in Maiden.
How about these bits?

1. "Here comes the nightmare that never ends, here is the dream that makes monsters of men."
2. "After the war and that no one has won, I'm just a soldier!"
3. "Here, I am the knife in my hand, and now I understand why the genius must die."

I personally get enough power and conviction from his delivery throughout the album. On tracks like Blood on the world's hands and The Edge of darkness in particular, he gets into a comfortable register and just nails it all the way through.

The production doesn't do him justice, though, but the rest of the band is also kind of suffering from the production.

That section in the Aftermath followed by Janicks ripping solo gives me fucking chills.  Just epic!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 28, 2021, 03:51:37 PM
I wasn't implying there had to be a non-music related reason  :) it's the bottom 10 80s song statement that caught my eye (given how much I enjoy it instead),  so I was just curious about what it is in the song you dislike so much ...and you were pretty clear about it  :biggrin:

The other thing to consider is how strong Maiden's catalog in the '80s is.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many '80s Maiden songs that I can truly say I don't like and would want to skip:

- On the debut, maybe Strange World
- On Killers, Twilight Zone
- Nothing on TNOTB or POM
- On Powerslave, Back in the Village
- Nothing on Somewhere in Time
- Infinite Dreams and probably The Prophecy and The Clairvoyant

That means if I were to rank all of the '80s songs, there'd be four songs I like in the bottom 10.

You crazy, man. 

Debut: Nothing
Killers:  Wratchschild (maybe)
TNOTB: Gangland
POM: Quest For Fire (though I'm not a huge fan of Sun And Steel)
Powerslave: Nothing (though I'm not a huge fan of The Duellists)
SiT: TLOTLDR (maybe)

By far one of the bands most underrated songs.

Definitely. It was my favorite Maiden song for a while.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 28, 2021, 04:14:40 PM
Nice.  Those harmonies in the middle are close to the sweetest most melodic harmonies the band has ever done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 28, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
Man, Dave's solo in the Parchment is wicked.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 28, 2021, 04:51:05 PM
No Prayer bored me to tears.  Sorry for those who may like it.  I didn't really find a single song that made me want to keep listening. 

On the first song of Fear of the Dark and it is already a more interesting album.

Last time I listened to the two back-to-back (probably 4-6 months ago), I was surprised that I thought No Prayer had more interesting content than Fear.  Of course, the song Fear of the Dark is the best song on either album, and I can't remember what the No Prayer songs were, but I'll go back to it again and see if my opinion is the same.


You crazy, man. 

Not exactly a controversial opinion.


TNOTB: Gangland

Controversial opinion:  Gangland > Children of the Damned.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: v_clortho on September 28, 2021, 05:13:15 PM
I'm with you on the head-scratching of CIPWM? (we used to sing "Can I Make A Sandwich!")

We had a friend named Magnus so we'd all sing "can I play with Magnus"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 28, 2021, 05:39:59 PM
I'm with you on the head-scratching of CIPWM? (we used to sing "Can I Make A Sandwich!")

We had a friend named Magnus so we'd all sing "can I play with Magnus"

We went with "can I play with matches?"   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 28, 2021, 06:03:38 PM
I think The Prophecy is definitely the least best song from Seventh Son..., but it got better each listen, and that acoustic outro is pretty darn nifty.  Infinite Dreams was instantly likable as well, and The Clairvoyant and The Evil That Men Do are both really, really good.  I am not totally connecting with the title track yet, but I am sure the rest of the dots will connect as there is a lot I do like about it.

No Prayer for the Dying seems pretty lackluster. A few good songs, but Holy Smoke was pretty embarrassing.  Easily the worst song I've heard on this journey so far.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 28, 2021, 06:04:10 PM
Lots to chew on over the past couple of pages..

Regarding what's been mentioned...too much to quote..


I love the intro to The Clairvoyant. It's really the only part of the song I like. I never understood the band's need to play this live for so long.

Infinite Dreams is one of Iron Maiden's best songs. Period.

After the epic SSOASS, Side 2 peters out. I love The Prophecy, but the those three short songs kind of end the album on a bit of a whimper.

They could've done so much more with Only The Good Die Young. It has always felt incomplete to me.


@Bosk..and Kev..

No Prayer-Generally considered as Iron Maiden's weakest album, though some will argue Virtual XI.
It's a stripped down approach, but the quality of songs is just not there. So disappointing after what was then considered a long lay off. The title track and Run Silent Run Deep are keepers. RSRD is one of the best choruses in their catalog.

Fear Of The Dark-Yeah this is more like it. Janick is more integrated and it's a much stronger effort. Their first album in the CD era, so there are 3-4 songs that are really B-side material that were added to fill a disc. Still, it's an album that is easily 8 songs deep and I think it's highly underrated.

The X Factor-The band was sitting on their Back In Black with this one. My issue is that it feels like a demo for a masterpiece. The production is awful, and the songs feel a bit unrefined. Still the songs are full of incredibly strong passages and ideas. I like Blaze. I think he sounds great on this, and adds to the dreadfulness (I mean that complimentary , as that seems what Steve was going for) of the album.

Virtual XI-Blaze feels more comfortable on this, but it feels a bit short compared to TXF. Some great tunes here..The Educated Fool, Futureal, Don't Look To the Eyes Of A Stranger (yeah I know the repeating Don't look too's) but that instrumental part towards the ending is fantastic.

Bosk, not sure if you've heard these..
Futureal-live with Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGbS7HOKGKE)
Man ON The Edge-live with Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsCUkU1yU4A)

The Educated Fool needs the Bruce treatment. Seriously.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 29, 2021, 01:56:40 AM
'Somewhere In Time' celebrates 35 years since it's release today.
I remember buying it when it came out, it was a bit of a shock to hear the synths on a Maiden album.
In my IM top three, a classic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2021, 02:59:42 AM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 29, 2021, 03:56:00 AM
Are you also hung up on the fact that your acoustic songs weren't accepted for the album?  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 29, 2021, 04:25:30 AM
The thing is, this was the time grunge changed everything. FOTD has a much better production than NPFTD, but it does sound like Maiden are grasping for the Big American Hair-Metal sound that made bands like Def Leppard so much money at the time, but against the soundtrack of the grunge explosion, it sounded very dated and very 80s at the time. The X Factor was an album that adapted to the contemporary sound, it's Maiden's grungiest album, because that's where rock music was at the time. You can't listen to these albums today, 20+ years later, without putting them into the context of the musical landscape of the time.

All of those 90s albums have great songs and hidden gems on them, but they're just not great albums. That said, I love TXF and think it's far better than it's reputation. NPFTD is probably the nearest Maiden have come to disappointing me, it and VXI are tied for the weakest album IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2021, 04:37:45 AM
I always like to say that in the '90s all the big ones released a couple of controversial albums:

Maiden > X Factor and Virtual XI
Metallica > Load and Reload
Priest > Jugulator and Demolition

In all three cases, I think that the first album, after the initial shock, has its own merits and can be appreciated for what it is. The second album is actually a bit meh  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 29, 2021, 04:49:57 AM
On Senjutsu, amazing album.

Skipping Darkest Hour has turned into a persistent habit, mind. Well executed but the subject and lyrics are dull to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 29, 2021, 05:22:12 AM
Skipping Darkest Hour has turned into a persistent habit, mind. Well executed but the subject and lyrics are dull to me.

Wowsers!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 29, 2021, 06:26:53 AM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

It is definitely my least favorite of the five Maiden albums with Bruce from the 80's, but I still like it.  I think I'd rank the five like this:

1 Powerslave
2 Piece of Mind
3 Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
4 The Number of the Beast
5 Somewhere in Time
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2021, 06:28:15 AM
For me that would be:

Piece of Mind and Seventh Son

666 and Powerslave


And then SIT
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 29, 2021, 06:29:36 AM
1. Seventh Son
2. Somewhere In Time
3. Powerslave
4. Piece Of Mind
5. The Number Of The Beast
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2021, 06:44:15 AM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

It is definitely my least favorite of the five Maiden albums with Bruce from the 80's, but I still like it.  I think I'd rank the five like this:

1 Powerslave
2 Piece of Mind
3 Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
4 The Number of the Beast
5 Somewhere in Time

That's a pretty good list right there.  DOesn't mean SiT sucks, it's all relative.  The first four, for me, are THAT good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2021, 06:46:28 AM
I wasn't implying there had to be a non-music related reason  :) it's the bottom 10 80s song statement that caught my eye (given how much I enjoy it instead),  so I was just curious about what it is in the song you dislike so much ...and you were pretty clear about it  :biggrin:

The other thing to consider is how strong Maiden's catalog in the '80s is.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many '80s Maiden songs that I can truly say I don't like and would want to skip:

- On the debut, maybe Strange World
- On Killers, Twilight Zone
- Nothing on TNOTB or POM
- On Powerslave, Back in the Village
- Nothing on Somewhere in Time
- Infinite Dreams and probably The Prophecy and The Clairvoyant

That means if I were to rank all of the '80s songs, there'd be four songs I like in the bottom 10.

You crazy, man. 

Debut: Nothing
Killers:  Wratchschild (maybe)
TNOTB: Gangland
POM: Quest For Fire (though I'm not a huge fan of Sun And Steel)
Powerslave: Nothing (though I'm not a huge fan of The Duellists)
SiT: TLOTLDR (maybe)

By far one of the bands most underrated songs.

Definitely. It was my favorite Maiden song for a while.

So... I used to tape all my LPs and CDs for use in the car.   And I had to cut something to fit SiT on one side of a 45-minute tape, and that was the song that "worked" time-wise.  So if I've listened to that complete album 500 times, I've heard TLOTLDR maybe 100.  I'll go back and revisit it, maybe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 29, 2021, 09:03:54 AM
My heretical list:
1. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
2. Piece of Mind
3. Somewhere in Time
4. The Number of the Beast
5. Powerslave
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2021, 09:12:58 AM
For the 5 albums listed, here's mine:

1. Somewhere in Time
2. Powerslave
3. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
4. Piece of Mind
5. The Number of the Beast

but as Stadler said, it doesn't mean 5 is bad, it's all relative.  I love all these albums.

And in other news, I got a late birthday present from my gf.  She ordered these but they just came late so surprise, I got 4 Iron Maiden album coasters!  They are pretty nice too.  She said they had options to choose the album covers and she wasn't sure which to get so she chose these 4 album covers:  Fear of the Dark, Somewhere in Time, The Number of the Beast, and Killers  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 29, 2021, 09:15:24 AM
I’ll play…

1. Piece of Mind
2. Number of the Beast
3. Powerslave
4. Seventh Son
5. Somewhere in Time
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 29, 2021, 09:47:31 AM
1.  Somewhere in Time
2.  Piece of Mind
3.  Number of the Beast
...
4.  Powerslave
...
...
5.  Seventh Son

1 and 2 are almost interchangeable (and might be on any given day).  3 is pretty close behind, but is solid at #3.  #4 has some AMAZING songs that I wouldn't trade for anything, but is easily #4 because it has a lot of dead weight that I don't care for.  And I would be fine if #5 didn't exist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 29, 2021, 11:19:12 AM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

I think I like it better than you do, but what you described is close to how I feel.  I mentioned above that there's nothing skippable on SIT, but there's also nothing exceptional.

I think I'd rank the five '80s albums with Bruce thusly:

1. Piece of Mind - Not a weak track to be found (even Still Life is pretty good).
2. Powerslave - Only Back in the Village brings it down.
3. The Number of the Beast - I feel like I should like this album more.  I think it's that Hallowed Be Thy Name is SO MUCH better live that it makes the studio version seem weak in comparison.
...
4. Somewhere in Time - Nothing bad and several good to really good songs, but nothing that hits the highs of the best songs on the three prior albums.
...
5. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son - Two killer songs can't save an otherwise weak album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 29, 2021, 11:43:23 AM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

I think I like it better than you do, but what you described is close to how I feel.  I mentioned above that there's nothing skippable on SIT, but there's also nothing exceptional.

I think I'd rank the five '80s albums with Bruce thusly:

1. Piece of Mind - Not a weak track to be found (even Still Life is pretty good).
2. Powerslave - Only Back in the Village brings it down.
3. The Number of the Beast - I feel like I should like this album more.  I think it's that Hallowed Be Thy Name is SO MUCH better live that it makes the studio version seem weak in comparison.
...
4. Somewhere in Time - Nothing bad and several good to really good songs, but nothing that hits the highs of the best songs on the three prior albums.
...
5. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son - Two killer songs can't save an otherwise weak album.

I like it the least of the 5 albums we're discussing, although I admit that it has aged rather well and I probably like it a bit more than when I bought it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2021, 12:15:48 PM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

I think I like it better than you do, but what you described is close to how I feel.  I mentioned above that there's nothing skippable on SIT, but there's also nothing exceptional.

I think I'd rank the five '80s albums with Bruce thusly:

1. Piece of Mind - Not a weak track to be found (even Still Life is pretty good).
2. Powerslave - Only Back in the Village brings it down.
3. The Number of the Beast - I feel like I should like this album more.  I think it's that Hallowed Be Thy Name is SO MUCH better live that it makes the studio version seem weak in comparison.
...
4. Somewhere in Time - Nothing bad and several good to really good songs, but nothing that hits the highs of the best songs on the three prior albums.
...
5. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son - Two killer songs can't save an otherwise weak album.

Can you stop saying that?  It's embarrassing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm kidding. I know I'm in the minority on liking that song, but I have to say, even trying to be objective, it sort of baffles me why it's so unliked.  It's got an upbeat, interesting intro riff, the chorus isn't bad, Bruce's vocal is pretty animated, and there's a good solo.  What is it that people don't like?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 29, 2021, 12:21:10 PM
1. Piece of Mind - Not a weak track to be found (even Still Life is pretty good).

What a funny way to spell "Quest for Fire".

Still Life is amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2021, 12:22:22 PM
1. Piece of Mind - Not a weak track to be found (even Still Life is pretty good).

What a funny way to spell "Quest for Fire".

Still Life is amazing.

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 29, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

I think I like it better than you do, but what you described is close to how I feel.  I mentioned above that there's nothing skippable on SIT, but there's also nothing exceptional.

I think I'd rank the five '80s albums with Bruce thusly:

1. Piece of Mind - Not a weak track to be found (even Still Life is pretty good).
2. Powerslave - Only Back in the Village brings it down.
3. The Number of the Beast - I feel like I should like this album more.  I think it's that Hallowed Be Thy Name is SO MUCH better live that it makes the studio version seem weak in comparison.
...
4. Somewhere in Time - Nothing bad and several good to really good songs, but nothing that hits the highs of the best songs on the three prior albums.
...
5. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son - Two killer songs can't save an otherwise weak album.

Can you stop saying that?  It's embarrassing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm kidding. I know I'm in the minority on liking that song, but I have to say, even trying to be objective, it sort of baffles me why it's so unliked.  It's got an upbeat, interesting intro riff, the chorus isn't bad, Bruce's vocal is pretty animated, and there's a good solo.  What is it that people don't like?

If you're embarrassed, then maybe rethink your opinion!   :lol


What is it that people don't like?

"I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again...."

Something about chickens...

And I just don't like the main riff.


1. Piece of Mind - Not a weak track to be found (even Still Life is pretty good).

What a funny way to spell "Quest for Fire".

Still Life is amazing.

QFF is good.  Still Life is fine.  It's just not up to the standard set by every other song on that album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 29, 2021, 12:57:14 PM
I’m usually the one complaining about iron maiden‘s choruses being repetitious, but I didn’t think back in the village was that bad.

I mean:

Back in the village again in the village I’m back in the village again”

…is about it. Maybe he does that twice at the end, but that’s nothing compared to the “repeat the title 8 times” approach they started using later.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 29, 2021, 12:59:30 PM
Back in the Village is my favorite of the little four on Powerslave by far. I find it fairly interesting, unlike the others.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 29, 2021, 01:44:12 PM
That riff in BITV is fucking ripping though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2021, 02:04:50 PM
That riff in BITV is fucking ripping though.

This may be it's only redeeming factor for me.  Definitely bottom tier Maiden in my book, but the riffage is good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 29, 2021, 02:22:17 PM
What people seem to forget is that, even though Back in the village is one of the middle four on the CD, it was chosen to be the side B opener on the vinyl. That says something. It is a frenetic track with a powerful riff and a truly amazing instrumental section. I've never had an issue with the chorus, and the chord progression in the pre-chorus is brilliant as well.

"Questions are a burden, and answers are a prison for oneself." Yeah, I love that song.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 29, 2021, 02:42:39 PM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

I think I like it better than you do, but what you described is close to how I feel.  I mentioned above that there's nothing skippable on SIT, but there's also nothing exceptional.

I think I'd rank the five '80s albums with Bruce thusly:

1. Piece of Mind - Not a weak track to be found (even Still Life is pretty good).
2. Powerslave - Only Back in the Village brings it down.
3. The Number of the Beast - I feel like I should like this album more.  I think it's that Hallowed Be Thy Name is SO MUCH better live that it makes the studio version seem weak in comparison.
...
4. Somewhere in Time - Nothing bad and several good to really good songs, but nothing that hits the highs of the best songs on the three prior albums.
...
5. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son - Two killer songs can't save an otherwise weak album.

Can you stop saying that?  It's embarrassing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm kidding. I know I'm in the minority on liking that song, but I have to say, even trying to be objective, it sort of baffles me why it's so unliked.  It's got an upbeat, interesting intro riff, the chorus isn't bad, Bruce's vocal is pretty animated, and there's a good solo.  What is it that people don't like?

If you're embarrassed, then maybe rethink your opinion!   :lol

Well, I meant embarrassing FOR YOU, but still.  :)


Quote
What is it that people don't like?

"I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again in the village I'm back in the village again...."

Something about chickens...

And I just don't like the main riff.

Granted the words repeat, but the melody doesn't.  I love that loping melody of the chorus.

And for those that don't know, it's a "sequel" of sorts to "The Prisoner", set in the "Village" that is the setting for the TV show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 29, 2021, 03:13:29 PM
Back In The Village was actually my favorite song when the album came out. I love the verses still.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 29, 2021, 03:48:26 PM
I’m usually the one complaining about iron maiden‘s choruses being repetitious, but I didn’t think back in the village was that bad.

I mean:

Back in the village again in the village I’m back in the village again”

…is about it. Maybe he does that twice at the end, but that’s nothing compared to the “repeat the title 8 times” approach they started using later.

I assume it was obvious I was exaggerating (in part to tweak Stadler  :biggrin:)

However, to quote/paraphrase the great Carlin:  "They wanted reasons.  Well, you don’t always have a reason.  'I don't know.  I know I don't like it.  And I know that if I [listened to] it, I would like it even less.  You like it?  You [listen to] it!' . . .  'It came to me in a dream!'"   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 29, 2021, 05:45:19 PM

5.  Seventh Son

1 and 2 are almost interchangeable (and might be on any given day).  3 is pretty close behind, but is solid at #3.  #4 has some AMAZING songs that I wouldn't trade for anything, but is easily #4 because it has a lot of dead weight that I don't care for.  And I would be fine if #5 didn't exist.

Ahhhhh, how can you describe Illumination Theory so perfectly in the other thread and say something like this?! ;D
Anyway, always impresses me how a lot of people in this forum doesn't like Seventh Son as much as I do. Always my favorite album by Maiden! And Moochild, Infinite Dreams and Seventh Son are all amazing Maiden masterpieces IMO. :hefdaddy :heart
The PoM to Seventh Son era is still unmatchable IMO. TNoTB is also in the same league, but I think Nicko's presence was still missing to fully create the classic sound of the band with the drums/bass gallops.  :metal :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on September 29, 2021, 05:56:09 PM

5.  Seventh Son

1 and 2 are almost interchangeable (and might be on any given day).  3 is pretty close behind, but is solid at #3.  #4 has some AMAZING songs that I wouldn't trade for anything, but is easily #4 because it has a lot of dead weight that I don't care for.  And I would be fine if #5 didn't exist.

Ahhhhh, how can you describe Illumination Theory so perfectly in the other thread and say something like this?! ;D
Anyway, always impresses me how a lot of people in this forum doesn't like Seventh Son as much as I do. Always my favorite album by Maiden! And Moochild, Infinite Dreams and Seventh Son are all amazing Maiden masterpieces IMO. :hefdaddy :heart
The PoM to Seventh Son era is still unmatchable IMO. TNoTB is also in the same league, but I think Nicko's presence was still missing to fully create the classic sound of the band with the drums/bass gallops.  :metal :hefdaddy

Seventh Son is awesome, it would vie for #1 if CIPWM was replaced with a better song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 29, 2021, 06:01:29 PM
The new one arrived today.  I listened to disk 1.  So far, pretty good.  Too early to form much of an opinion besides that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on September 29, 2021, 06:02:08 PM
As much as I like Seventh Son, I wish it had a little more bottom end and grit in the production.  It sounds a little thin, but it was 1988 and it was likely a product of its time.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 29, 2021, 06:10:00 PM
As much as I like Seventh Son, I wish it had a little more bottom end and grit in the production. It sounds a little thin, but it was 1988 and it was likely a product of its time.
It's true.
About CIPWM (and OTGDY), they are a tad too commercial, but they also are very unique at the same time, they really have its charm.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 29, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
Disk 2 is pretty good as well.  So far, the only complaint I have is a nitpick with the packaging.  I don't overly have a beef with digipacks in and of themselves.  I mean, I hate them.  But I realized a long time ago that they are here to stay.  But it is extremely annoying at this early stage when I don't yet know the songs that the song names are not listed on the back of the CD, and the only place to view the track list is to open up the digipack and slide the booklet out. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 29, 2021, 06:30:38 PM
Disk 2 is pretty good as well.  So far, the only complaint I have is a nitpick with the packaging.  I don't overly have a beef with digipacks in and of themselves.  I mean, I hate them.  But I realized a long time ago that they are here to stay.  But it is extremely annoying at this early stage when I don't yet know the songs that the song names are not listed on the back of the CD, and the only place to view the track list is to open up the digipack and slide the booklet out.

And getting t the booklet out is a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 29, 2021, 07:06:53 PM
This makes me happy that I dropped the extra 5 bucks and got the book version. It goes nicely with the TBOS book.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 29, 2021, 07:19:11 PM
This makes me happy that I dropped the extra 5 bucks and got the book version. It goes nicely with the TBOS book.

I dropped a few more bucks and went for the Japan Book version, as I know it will be top quality and last.
BTW the booklet (as I have previously posted) is officially online in PDF format https://box.ironmaiden.com/booklet/Iron-Maiden-Senjutsu.pdf
I'm waiting for the vinyl price to drop, as it's supposed to sound slightly better,
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 29, 2021, 08:01:42 PM
This album is so good, I may end up getting the book version.  Would get it instantly if JB ever gets it in stock.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 30, 2021, 12:40:13 AM
Back In The Village is bloody great!

What a riff. What a vocal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 30, 2021, 01:38:23 AM
This makes me happy that I dropped the extra 5 bucks and got the book version. It goes nicely with the TBOS book.

Exactly the reason I went for that. I had all the other albums in normal format, it sucked to have TBOS stand alone, now they're a nice pair.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 30, 2021, 07:11:12 AM
Disk 2 is pretty good as well.  So far, the only complaint I have is a nitpick with the packaging.  I don't overly have a beef with digipacks in and of themselves.  I mean, I hate them.  But I realized a long time ago that they are here to stay.  But it is extremely annoying at this early stage when I don't yet know the songs that the song names are not listed on the back of the CD, and the only place to view the track list is to open up the digipack and slide the booklet out.

I agree with that last statement, 100%.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2021, 11:09:40 AM
Second listen to Senjutsu:  This album is REALLY good.  Thus far, I might put it at #2 for 2021 just behind A View From the Top of the World (but I haven't listened to Innocence and Danger yet).  Solid effort.  This early, the "new car smell" isn't even close to wearing off, so I am cautious about being overly enthusiastic, but at this early stage, I am thinking this could be up in the discussion with my Maiden top 3 of The Final Frontier, Somewhere in Time, and Piece of Mind.  It kinda feels like the quality is up there with those 3, and even if it doesn't clearly surpass them, it does on quantity.  And I get why I was told that, being a fan of TFF, I would probably like this one.  Sonically, and in terms of writing, I hear a lot of similarity, which is great.  I think any time someone can say, "You know your favorite album from this band?  The new one sounds a lot like it, but it is even longer!" that is a surefire win.

EDIT:  Man, the RIFFS on this album!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 30, 2021, 11:33:59 AM
Yes! That's what I was hoping you would say.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2021, 11:44:32 AM
Depending on where they end up playing, price of tickets, etc., this may be the tour where I get to scratch a "bucket list band" off the list. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on September 30, 2021, 01:40:19 PM
Depending on where they end up playing, price of tickets, etc., this may be the tour where I get to scratch a "bucket list band" off the list.
I've seen them 3× in the last ten years,  you won't be disappointed...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 01:41:59 PM
Second listen to Senjutsu:  This album is REALLY good.  Thus far, I might put it at #2 for 2021 just behind A View From the Top of the World (but I haven't listened to Innocence and Danger yet).  Solid effort.  This early, the "new car smell" isn't even close to wearing off, so I am cautious about being overly enthusiastic, but at this early stage, I am thinking this could be up in the discussion with my Maiden top 3 of The Final Frontier, Somewhere in Time, and Piece of Mind.  It kinda feels like the quality is up there with those 3, and even if it doesn't clearly surpass them, it does on quantity.  And I get why I was told that, being a fan of TFF, I would probably like this one.  Sonically, and in terms of writing, I hear a lot of similarity, which is great.  I think any time someone can say, "You know your favorite album from this band?  The new one sounds a lot like it, but it is even longer!" that is a surefire win.

EDIT:  Man, the RIFFS on this album!!!  :metal

It's been a month and the new car smell is still as strong for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 30, 2021, 01:42:16 PM
Depending on where they end up playing, price of tickets, etc., this may be the tour where I get to scratch a "bucket list band" off the list.
I've seen them 3×,  in the last 10 years,  you won't be disappointed...

I saw them 3 times just on the last tour, but you are right.  No disappointments will be had.  But in all seriousness, the guys are getting old.  Go see them before the time runs out if you have the chance.  That definitely ran through my mind when I saw them the 3rd time, who knows if that ends up being the last?  (luckily with the pandemic not being as bad and the new album being released, it seems likely that won't be the last time, but you never know)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 30, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
Second listen to Senjutsu:  This album is REALLY good.  Thus far, I might put it at #2 for 2021 just behind A View From the Top of the World (but I haven't listened to Innocence and Danger yet).  Solid effort.  This early, the "new car smell" isn't even close to wearing off, so I am cautious about being overly enthusiastic, but at this early stage, I am thinking this could be up in the discussion with my Maiden top 3 of The Final Frontier, Somewhere in Time, and Piece of Mind.  It kinda feels like the quality is up there with those 3, and even if it doesn't clearly surpass them, it does on quantity.  And I get why I was told that, being a fan of TFF, I would probably like this one.  Sonically, and in terms of writing, I hear a lot of similarity, which is great.  I think any time someone can say, "You know your favorite album from this band?  The new one sounds a lot like it, but it is even longer!" that is a surefire win.

EDIT:  Man, the RIFFS on this album!!!  :metal

It's been a month and the new car smell is still as strong for me.
I used to stream it for ten days straight after it came out and then decided to put it away for a while. Now that the CD arrived in the mail, I am coming back to it every other day. Talk about staying power.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2021, 01:54:37 PM
Depending on where they end up playing, price of tickets, etc., this may be the tour where I get to scratch a "bucket list band" off the list.
I've seen them 3×,  in the last 10 years,  you won't be disappointed...

I saw them 3 times just on the last tour, but you are right.  No disappointments will be had.  But in all seriousness, the guys are getting old.  Go see them before the time runs out if you have the chance.  That definitely ran through my mind when I saw them the 3rd time, who knows if that ends up being the last?  (luckily with the pandemic not being as bad and the new album being released, it seems likely that won't be the last time, but you never know)

Yeah, I know.  REALLY wanted to see them on the Legacy of the Beast tour, but price and schedule were prohibitive. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2021, 02:00:29 PM
Bosk, knowing you're a big TFF guy, I'm not surprised you're liking Senjutsu. I find the albums quite similar, both in layout and quality.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 02:07:51 PM
Bosk, knowing you're a big TFF guy, I'm not surprised you're liking Senjutsu. I find the albums quite similar, both in layout and quality.

Hmmm...I can see that in the layout.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2021, 02:08:39 PM
I mean, it doesn't have an El Dorado.  But that aside, it still manages to be really good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 30, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
Bosk, knowing you're a big TFF guy, I'm not surprised you're liking Senjutsu. I find the albums quite similar, both in layout and quality.

I find them very similar too, but Senjutsu is much better than TFF to my liking.  I recall when the track listing came out, that I felt it might be very similar to TFF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 30, 2021, 02:35:28 PM
TFF has actually the "same" tracklist as Matter, if you play around with it a little bit, it had the same type of songs if you discard the Satellite 15 intro and rearrange the order:

Different World / Final Frontier = energetic opener
Colors don't Run / Eldorado = single-ish rocker
Brighter than a 1000 Suns / Mother of Mercy = brooding song about war (ok, this is the weakest comparison)
Pilgrim / Alchemist = short, punchy rocker
Longest Day / Avalon = epic with a long buildup
Out of the Shadows / Coming Home = "ballad"
Benny Breeg / Man who would be king = "bluesish" epic (ok, the long songs are all interchangeable)
Greater Good of God / Wind Blows = Harris solo epic and longest song of the album
Lord of Light / Starblind = the oddball song
Legacy / Talisman = another epic with a long intro


Of course this doesn't "prove" anything and you can play around with the comparisons as much as you want, but the template is definitively there....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 30, 2021, 02:35:55 PM
The drums sound awesome on Senjutsu. The snare is ... crisp and tasty. Reminded me a little of when the snare comes in on Stairway to Heaven a couple of times today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 30, 2021, 02:41:16 PM
TFF has actually the "same" tracklist as Matter, if you play around with it a little bit, it had the same type of songs if you discard the Satellite 15 intro and rearrange the order:

Different World / Final Frontier = energetic opener
Colors don't Run / Eldorado = single-ish rocker
Brighter than a 1000 Suns / Mother of Mercy = brooding song about war (ok, this is the weakest comparison)
Pilgrim / Alchemist = short, punchy rocker
Longest Day / Avalon = epic with a long buildup
Out of the Shadows / Coming Home = "ballad"
Benny Breeg / Man who would be king = "bluesish" epic (ok, the long songs are all interchangeable)
Greater Good of God / Wind Blows = Harris solo epic and longest song of the album
Lord of Light / Starblind = the oddball song
Legacy / Talisman = another epic with a long intro


Of course this doesn't "prove" anything and you can play around with the comparisons as much as you want, but the template is definitively there....

I would just pair Breeg with Mother of Mercy and Brighter Than a Thousand Suns with The Man Who Would Be King.

I've noticed those similarities since very early on in my experience of the albums, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it (part of why the whole IAW/ADTOE things seems silly to me). The songs each have their own identity (and I'd take TFF in 8/10 matchups).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 03:12:19 PM
I mean, it doesn't have an El Dorado.  But that aside, it still manages to be really good.

 :lol  Thank fuck it doesn't.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 30, 2021, 03:27:56 PM
I mean, it doesn't have an El Dorado.  But that aside, it still manages to be really good.

 :lol  Thank fuck it doesn't.

+1
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on September 30, 2021, 03:46:33 PM
Anyone else bored with the new album? Obviously not everyone..

Like, it's a good Maiden album. There's a few surprises in there, just like every other IM album, and I'm sure I'd enjoy it a lot if I was on an IM kick, but they really don't bring much new to the table that hasn't been done before on the previous 5 albums, much less the last 16 albums. I've felt the same way about TFF and TBOS. At least the first few reunion albums had more of a feeling of freshness to it, with the proggy elements increased by AMOLAD.

The last few albums have felt like they're just recreating the success of those first 3 reunion albums, and maybe they succeeded, but they all just sound the same. Like they're all part of the same triple album, or the 6 reunion albums feel like a giant sextuple album. In a bubble, the new album is great. In the context of their discography, it's just more of the same, which isn't bad, but nothing that is making me want to come back to this album on any regular basis.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 30, 2021, 04:07:08 PM
Not bored at all, been listening everyday, sometimes twice a day during my daily walks.
Discovering new things on every listen.
Can't remember the last time I listened to something so much and haven't heard so much Maiden in 25 years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 04:11:01 PM
Agree.  I seriously can't remember an album having this much impact.  A few come to mind over the last couple of years, but this easily rivals them all.  I still can't get over how amazing this album is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on September 30, 2021, 04:18:31 PM
I agree this is their best album in a long time. I did say it's a good album, but they're all good. Maybe my feelings will change next time I'm on a Maiden kick.
But I guess I'm just tired of the reunion era sound they've been repeating since BNW (and really, since TXF)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2021, 04:22:21 PM
I agree this is their best album in a long time. I did say it's a good album, but they're all good. Maybe my feelings will change next time I'm on a Maiden kick.
But I guess I'm just tired of the reunion era sound they've been repeating since BNW (and really, since TXF)

For me, the thing about the Reunion albums in general is that they tend to be growers. They are not necessarily immediate, in general. Maybe it will take a Maiden kick. That's OK.

There's a lot to chew on on these albums. Sometimes if you break it off in chunks, familiarize yourself with a song or a handful of songs, before trying to digest the thing as a whole, it may help.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 04:43:23 PM
The Parchment is back to being my favourite.  Holy shit, this song is a masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 30, 2021, 04:47:28 PM
It’s a tie between The Parchment and Hell on Earth for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 04:48:50 PM
It’s a tie between The Parchment and Hell on Earth for me.

Those two have been at the front of the back neck and neck for a while for me too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 04:49:48 PM
Surprised we haven't done song rankings yet.  I've been thinking about it and besides my top 4, finding it difficult to rank the other 6.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2021, 05:04:57 PM
Before I rank them, I must say that the intro totally hurts The Time Machine IMO. This song would be better trimmed down without the intro, and even the short outro for that matter.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 30, 2021, 05:26:15 PM
TBH I love them all, they all have their own individual charms.

BTW I discovered that there's a DVD-Audio version of Death Of Death,  which I had no idea about.
Found a decent copy of discogs and hopefully will arrive soon from Europe.

My only gripe about Senjutsu is the mastering, the EQ is a little off in places and some slight clipping.
But we can't can't blame KS for that as he wasn't the mastering engineer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 30, 2021, 05:37:01 PM
On that thought of seeing Iron Maiden now, I would say, yes, go see them within the next few years if you are able to by any means (if they are nearby, if you have to travel to another state to see them, if you want to go see them in Europe, etc.).  Do it, because you never know on the what ifs.  I was really glad I was able to see them in 2019 for the first time where they were in a good position in their careers.  I couldn't do the same for Rush in 2015 and I wasn't going to miss that window seeing Metallica in San Fran. in December.  If the window of opportunity to see Iron Maiden comes nears you, best not to miss that window, because you never know when it can open again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 05:52:31 PM
Before I rank them, I must say that the intro totally hurts The Time Machine IMO. This song would be better trimmed down without the intro, and even the short outro for that matter.

I'm pretty impartial to it.  I don't mind it's there but if it was cut I wouldn't complain.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on September 30, 2021, 05:58:36 PM
I agree this is their best album in a long time. I did say it's a good album, but they're all good. Maybe my feelings will change next time I'm on a Maiden kick.
But I guess I'm just tired of the reunion era sound they've been repeating since BNW (and really, since TXF)

For me, the thing about the Reunion albums in general is that they tend to be growers. They are not necessarily immediate, in general. Maybe it will take a Maiden kick. That's OK.

No doubt about that, AMOLAD took me a long time to appreciate. I think it's one of their best since the 80s, along with BNW and DoD.
but TFF and TBOS have been out for quite a few years now, and I still think they're just good-average Maiden albums. Given them plenty of listens.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 30, 2021, 09:11:38 PM
Agree.  I seriously can't remember an album having this much impact.  A few come to mind over the last couple of years, but this easily rivals them all.  I still can't get over how amazing this album is.

I think the only new releases that have had this sort of impact for me in the last few years are the last two NMB albums.


Surprised we haven't done song rankings yet.  I've been thinking about it and besides my top 4, finding it difficult to rank the other 6.

I'll step up to the plate. This was incredibly hard, though. I really like all of these songs. The Time Machine has sort of been the song I've been assuming was my least favorite since pretty early on, but listening to it tonight... there is so much good there. So much.

1. The Parchment
2. Hell on Earth
3. Darkest Hour
4. Death of the Celts
5. Lost in a Lost World
6. The Writing on the Wall
7. Stratego
8. Senjutsu
9. Days of Future Past
10. The Time Machine

Death of the Celts is one that snuck up on me a little bit. It started out as "the weak one on disc 2." Turns out... that's still true but disc 2 is massive and it's no exception.

Lost in a Lost World, to me, actually has the weakest chorus on the album, which brings it down a bit. But it also has some of the best moments again (that vocal melody... you know the one).

Looking at this list... I don't know guys, I've been trying to stay cautious, especially after y'all gave me a hard time about my initial reaction, but... it's hard for me to say that this is not a top 3 Maiden album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 09:19:15 PM
it's hard for me to say that this is not a top 3 Maiden album.

I think I'm leaning this way too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 09:22:05 PM
Alright, I put it out there, so I'll have a crack;

1. The Parchment
2. Hell on Earth
3. Darkest Hour
4. Lost in A Lost World
5. Death of the Celts
6. Days of Future Past
7. Stratego
8. The Writing on the Wall
9. Senjutsu
10. The Time Machine

Top 5 were pretty clear cut, bottom 5 not so much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 30, 2021, 09:24:48 PM
I felt the same way about the top five versus the bottom five (except that Writing was definitely #6). And our top fives were almost exactly identical! Death of the Celts vs. Lost in a Lost World is a close call. Lost has better moments, while Celts is a more complete, consistent song, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2021, 09:27:53 PM
I felt the same way about the top five versus the bottom five (except that Writing was definitely #6). And our top fives were almost exactly identical! Death of the Celts vs. Lost in a Lost World is a close call. Lost has better moments, while Celts is a more complete, consistent song, IMO.

To be honest, my bottom 5 could be in any order and I'd be fine with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 30, 2021, 09:34:09 PM
Yeah, I think I'd say the same thing about my bottom four.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on October 01, 2021, 12:38:48 AM
I liked this album from the first spin on,  now it's easily in my top three Maiden albums of all time. I honestly cannot tell you which is my favorite song on Senjutsu,  it can change from day to day. They released this album at the perfect time which gives us something great to listen to while we're waiting for the new DT album to drop.  If AVFTTOTW is as good as this album, I'll be pretty stoked! 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on October 01, 2021, 12:41:35 AM
I liked this album from the first spin on,  now it's easily in my top three Maiden albums of all time. I honestly cannot tell you which is my favorite song on Senjutsu,  it can change from day to day. They released this album at the perfect time which gives us something great to listen to while we're waiting for the new DT album to drop.  If AVFTTOTW is as good as this album, I'll be pretty stoked! 

bosk said yesterday that he'd put Senjutsu as #2 of the year behind AVFTTOTW, so that says something about the new DT album if everyone's raving over this one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 01, 2021, 12:48:43 AM
I will take a stab with the ranking.

1. Darkest hour
2. Hell on earth
3. Stratego
4. Lost in a lost world
5. Senjutsu
6. Death of the Celts
7. The Time machine
8. Days of future past
9. The Parchment
10. The Writing on the wall

Even the ones at the bottom are good, though. It's such a consistent album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 01, 2021, 12:56:38 AM
#1. Hell On Earth
#2. Death Of The Celts
#3. The Writing On The Wall
#4. The Time Machine
#5. Darkest Hour
#6. Senjutsu
#7. Stratego
#8. Days Of Future Past
#9. The Parchment
10. Lost In A Lost World
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2021, 01:10:57 AM
2 putting Parchment second last, Wowsers!!  :o
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 01, 2021, 01:59:56 AM
Keep in mind that it's still a good song that I find VERY intriquing. I'm returning to it quite often. It's just that I cannot make heads or tails of that structure.  :lol

What does bother me about it, though, is that the entire vocal line is doubled by the guitar. It's a bit much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on October 01, 2021, 02:12:23 AM
1. Hell on Earth
2. Death of the Celts
3. Time Machine
4. The Parchment
5. Senjutsu
6. Lost in a Lost World
7. Writing on the Wall
8. Darkest Hour
9. Stratego
10. Days of Future Past

This really is a superb album – even though DoFP got the bottom spot, I've still got a lot of love for it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2021, 02:38:04 AM
I wouldn't know how to put them all in order, but Lost in a Lost Word and The Parchment grew a lot on me.

Lost in a Lost world felt at first like the classic Harris song, but I really got into it and all the final verses are beautiful.

The Parchment is fucking insane. Apples and oranges, but there are dozens of DT songs with a much safer structure than this one. A couple of verses, then for no apparent reason at all an endless string of solos after solos, then another section that grows and grows until finally launching into the faster and bombastic finale? wow!!!

Death of the Celts is as lovely and fun as pointless, and maybe it's the only one where I really feel the solo section goes on too long, and when it comes back it's just to quickly end the song, but what a ride it is.

And of course Hell on Earth is fantastic, pity for the last few minutes that meander a bit.

Time Machine is definitively my least favorite. Senjutsu is weird as opener, but there was no better song to start the album with, and while my initial thoughts were "it should have picked up the pace and went faster after the second chorus", I wouldn't know where to place a faster section, the song is good as it is.

Darkest Hour is very emotional, and the two "singles" are very cool, Stratego is so catchy, also in this case pity that the post-chorus (I hear you calling my name....) comes only once. And as I said, the solos on WotW are superb, especially the second one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 01, 2021, 03:21:38 AM
As a couple of others have said, Senjutsu is just such a consistent album from start to finish. Because of that, I don't think I could really rank the songs against each other. That said, I would probably rank Days of Future Past and Darkest Hour below everything else. I quite like them both and Darkest Hour has stellar solos but I think every other track is a cut above those two.

Oh, and I think Hell on Earth should be five minutes longer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on October 01, 2021, 03:25:53 AM
Which of the songs do you think they will play live? Are all of them up for grabs?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2021, 04:21:54 AM
Which of the songs do you think they will play live? Are all of them up for grabs?

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to them playing the whole thing live.

I just really hope The Parchment gets in the set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 01, 2021, 05:30:58 AM
Bruce seemingly thinks that it would be cool to do a short and scaled down tour for the diehard fans where they play the whole thing.

If they use the 5-6 new songs approach as usual, I'd reckon they'd play:

- Senjutsu (title track and opener)
- Stratego and The Writing on the Wall (singles)
- Hell on Earth (epic and seemingly fan favorite)
- Darkest Hour (ballad moment)
- Either one out of Lost in a Lost World or Death of the Celts
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 01, 2021, 05:53:07 AM
Serious question: is there anywhere to buy or find digital versions of the original releases of their 80s albums? Looks like the 2015 remastered versions are all brickwalled to death (and supposedly the 1998 ones weren't good either), and I'd rather get the original, cleaner versions.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 01, 2021, 06:06:46 AM
Serious question: is there anywhere to buy or find digital versions of the original releases of their 80s albums? Looks like the 2015 remastered versions are all brickwalled to death (and supposedly the 1998 ones weren't good either), and I'd rather get the original, cleaner versions.

Can't answer this, I'm afraid... but I've just started buying the initial CD releases of the early albums for this very reason since I've only got the 1998 remasters (I remember them coming out a couple at a time. Was all rather exciting since additional material was contained on the discs). During the run-up to Sentjutsu's release, I listened to one album per day in chronological order on very good headphones. And my goodness, yes, those 1998 remasters really aren't too good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on October 01, 2021, 06:10:06 AM
I bought the 1998 remasters as I got into the band around that time (1998-1999). I listened to the 2015 remasters a few years back, and I don't really mind them. They sound better than the 1998 ones, as the 2015 remasters seem to have more punch and weight to them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 01, 2021, 07:05:43 AM
I have heard some of the versions from the original albums on YT and they sound way better than the 2015 remasters that are also there.  The 2015 ones might have more weight and punch, but the originals sound like they are of their time, while the remasters sound a bit too modern (not just in the brickwalling, but in everything).  I am rarely a fan of this trend of trying to remove the time period out of older albums, so I will continue my search for the originals.  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 01, 2021, 07:25:39 AM
Those original albums sound so good; there is good separation, good dynamics... I love them.  I'm not that huge a fan of the recent trend of making every album - even the ones that aren't 'brickwalled' - a wall of sound.   There's something to letting the instruments breath.   It worked for The Beatles, the Stones and (especially) Led Zeppelin....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on October 01, 2021, 07:34:02 AM
I still can't properly rank the songs yet, but every track is good or better.

My favourite part of the album is the second half of The Parchment though, so it's probably the frontrunner for my number 1.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 01, 2021, 07:41:53 AM
Days Of Future Past
Hell On Earth
The Time Machine
Writing On The Wall
Lost In A Lost World
Senjutsu
Stratego
The Parchment
Death Of The Celts
Darkest Hour

But it's a little early for me really. I like Darkest Hour, even though I sometimes skip it. There are no stinkers here. Great, great record. They done us proud.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 01, 2021, 07:44:46 AM
Bruce seemingly thinks that it would be cool to do a short and scaled down tour for the diehard fans where they play the whole thing.
I would pay good money to see that. They should play the entire new album and close out the show with three tracks from the reunion era. The Wicker man, Rainmaker and Coming home would do. And maybe throw in Fear of the dark and Iron Maiden, because those are never absent.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 01, 2021, 07:55:54 AM
Bruce seemingly thinks that it would be cool to do a short and scaled down tour for the diehard fans where they play the whole thing.
I would pay good money to see that. They should play the entire new album and close out the show with three tracks from the reunion era. The Wicker man, Rainmaker and Coming home would do. And maybe throw in Fear of the dark and Iron Maiden, because those are never absent.  ;D

I'd go see the entire album.  I went and saw the Astonishing and The Great Adventure and enjoyed them, and I like this record more than both of those combined.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2021, 08:33:40 AM
Senjutsu (title track and opener)

I was just thinking this morning as I was listening on the drive to work that the title track is a bit slow (mid-tempo) for a Maiden show opener. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2021, 08:42:45 AM
I liked this album from the first spin on,  now it's easily in my top three Maiden albums of all time. I honestly cannot tell you which is my favorite song on Senjutsu,  it can change from day to day. They released this album at the perfect time which gives us something great to listen to while we're waiting for the new DT album to drop.  If AVFTTOTW is as good as this album, I'll be pretty stoked! 

bosk said yesterday that he'd put Senjutsu as #2 of the year behind AVFTTOTW, so that says something about the new DT album if everyone's raving over this one.


Well, yeah, but I'm a blind DT fanboy, so there's that.  :lol

But, yeah, I really do think they are both that good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 01, 2021, 08:51:27 AM
Yeah, no offense, but I take your DT opinion with a grain of salt. I'll be surprised if after Distance over Time they put out something I enjoy as much as Senjutsu, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. It would be a great year if a third album came out near the level of this and Innocence & Danger.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2021, 09:09:01 AM
Yeah, no offense, but I take your DT opinion with a grain of salt. I'll be surprised if after Distance over Time they put out something I enjoy as much as Senjutsu, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. It would be a great year if a third album came out near the level of this and Innocence & Danger.

No offense taken.  I completely understand.  Sometimes, you just find a band whose musical formula suits your tastes to a "tee," and so most of what they put out is an almost-automatic like.  Both DT and Neal Morse fit that.  Do they still put out things I don't care for?  Sure.  But for the most part, I know going in blind that I am going to really like most of what they put out since they have such a strong track record of being right up my alley.  I cant rank AVFTTOTW yet.  But it checks all the boxes of what I like and breaks some new ground.  And I like every single track thus far and don't find myself wanting to skip any (which, to me, has been a hallmark of the Mangini era for the most part).

Maiden is a bit more hit and miss for me.  But if I were to graph the reunion era according to my tastes, it has been a general upward trend since Bruce came back onboard.  And whether or not Senjutsu ends up being the high point of the reunion, it is right up there in the discussion.  And I think that for any band, if fans can say "the new album is legitimately in the discussion for top 3 [or at least top 3 of a particular era]," that should be considered an overwhelming success.

To compare the two albums, I dunno.  I think those who are more fans of Maiden will prefer Senjutsu, and those who are more fans of DT will prefer AVFTTOTW.  At the end of the day, they are both solid albums that showcase what each band does well and have some really well-written songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 01, 2021, 09:17:21 AM
Thanks for that explanation. I'm not sure whether I'm more a fan of DT or of Maiden (both would be top five artists for me), but unfortunately I haven't really connected with the last couple of DT albums, which tempers my excitement for the new one. I am cautiously optimistic about the return to longer songs, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 02, 2021, 02:35:56 AM
Regards the last couple posts relating to Bosk's take on new Dream Theater I have to confess after such a wait for new Maiden new DT doesn't feel quite as exciting and not sure am quite ready for a new Dream Theater album yet?  That, and am still loving Distance Over Time which still feels fresh!? :lol

Of course keen to be proven wrong and blown away ;D



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2021, 06:17:51 AM
I'll call it now but there's no way DT is matching Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on October 02, 2021, 08:13:08 AM
I'll call it now but there's no way DT is matching Senjutsu.

Well it depends. Just on The Alien alone, they surpass the entirety of Senjutsu on energy. If the remaining 5 songs have a lot of creativity and good vocal melodies (claimed by MM but not apparent on the 2 singles) then I'm sure I'll like A View more. And obviously it will sound a lot better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

It is definitely my least favorite of the five Maiden albums with Bruce from the 80's, but I still like it.  I think I'd rank the five like this:

1 Powerslave
2 Piece of Mind
3 Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
4 The Number of the Beast
5 Somewhere in Time

Three days ago, I said the above, but I think I sold Somewhere in Time a little short.  That one may get a bump a few notches up the ladder.  Powerslave remains at 1, but I think Somewhere in Time and The Number of the Beast now might get my 2 and 3 slots.

Oh, and the 90s stuff so far is not going well for me for the most part.  The X Factor was a travesty.  Not looking forward to Virtual XI, but will have to power through it, and then it's on to Brave New World!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2021, 09:16:22 AM
Me and Bruce must be the only two persons in the world that don't love SIT.

I mean, it's a good and nice album, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I never connected with it the way I did with the other albums.

It is definitely my least favorite of the five Maiden albums with Bruce from the 80's, but I still like it.  I think I'd rank the five like this:

1 Powerslave
2 Piece of Mind
3 Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
4 The Number of the Beast
5 Somewhere in Time

Three days ago, I said the above, but I think I sold Somewhere in Time a little short.  That one may get a bump a few notches up the ladder.  Powerslave remains at 1, but I think Somewhere in Time and The Number of the Beast now might get my 2 and 3 slots.

Oh, and the 90s stuff so far is not going well for me for the most part.  The X Factor was a travesty.  Not looking forward to Virtual XI, but will have to power through it, and then it's on to Brave New World!

TXF deserves respect for Sign of the Cross alone.

It seems almost sacrilege to say this, but I can honestly say that the greatest Iron Maiden song ever recorded was not done with Bruce. Although I’m glad that Bruce saw fit to give us a couple live versions.

EDIT - and I should clarify that while I really enjoy the live versions with Bruce, Blaze absolutely KILLS it on the original.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 02, 2021, 09:36:11 AM
I guess the usual complaints on The X Factor might be the production or the general mood of the album, but I wonder what you thought of the songs themselves, Kev.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2021, 09:45:33 AM
Sign of the Cross was actually one of the two songs I thought had trickles of being a good song, The Edge of Darkness being the other, so I will have to check out live versions of those two with Bruce.  I do not like Blaze's voice at all.  He sounds like a generic singer from some bad bar metal band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2021, 10:15:10 AM
There’s a certain passionate conviction in the way he sings the first heavy part “Standing alone in the wind and rain…” as well as the “why am I left to face this alone, asking the question TIME and again.”

There’s just a certain “fierceness” to his delivery that Bruce never quite captures IMO. Even though he does do it with better technique.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2021, 10:22:54 AM
Another controversial opinion of mine…

Blaze’s versions of Bruce’s songs all blew chunks with one exception. I like his live version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers (from the 2-disc version of Best of the Beast) better than Bruce’s version. Mostly for a lot of similar reasons. That particular song happens to fit in his range better, and he has a certain snarl to his voice that fit the song better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 02, 2021, 10:30:28 AM
He sounds like a generic singer from some bad bar metal band.

For me he sounds like a caricature of a metal singer. Like a comedian doing a parody.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2021, 10:33:42 AM
There is literally no chance I will ever listen to Virtual XI again...ever.  Blaze's vocals are just too bland and generic.  Just gave it a whirl and that was difficult to get through.

That said, The Clansmen seemed pretty great, and I checked out the Rock in Rio version with Bruce.  Now that is good stuff.  I could tell when listening to the studio version that it just needed good singing to bring it all out, and boom, there it is.

I now look forward to never hearing Blaze Bayley sing again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 02, 2021, 11:15:05 AM
There’s a certain passionate conviction in the way he sings the first heavy part “Standing alone in the wind and rain…” as well as the “why am I left to face this alone, asking the question TIME and again.”

There’s just a certain “fierceness” to his delivery that Bruce never quite captures IMO. Even though he does do it with better technique.

Yes, yes, yes.

And yes on his version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers, which is wonderful.

I think there are other performances of his on older songs that show signs of being good, but he's really hampered by Steve's refusal to tune down. I think he would be great, for example, on The Clairvoyant, if it was a little lower. He does well on the verses, but he just can't reach up to the chorus.


He sounds like a generic singer from some bad bar metal band.

For me he sounds like a caricature of a metal singer. Like a comedian doing a parody.

I understand not liking his voice, but... I don't really get this? What other metal singer sounds like Blaze? Maybe there's just a whole segment of the metal world I'm missing, but I think he's literally the only metal singer I'm even aware of whose range is that low.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on October 02, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
There’s a certain passionate conviction in the way he sings the first heavy part “Standing alone in the wind and rain…” as well as the “why am I left to face this alone, asking the question TIME and again.”

There’s just a certain “fierceness” to his delivery that Bruce never quite captures IMO. Even though he does do it with better technique.

Yes, yes, yes.

And yes on his version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers, which is wonderful.

I think there are other performances of his on older songs that show signs of being good, but he's really hampered by Steve's refusal to tune down. I think he would be great, for example, on The Clairvoyant, if it was a little lower. He does well on the verses, but he just can't reach up to the chorus.


He sounds like a generic singer from some bad bar metal band.

For me he sounds like a caricature of a metal singer. Like a comedian doing a parody.

I understand not liking his voice, but... I don't really get this? What other metal singer sounds like Blaze? Maybe there's just a whole segment of the metal world I'm missing, but I think he's literally the only metal singer I'm even aware of whose range is that low.

He has a Danzig tone that I personally like but doesn’t fit Maiden at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 02, 2021, 11:37:13 AM
It's not his range, I've got no problem with that. I find his whole delivery bland and boring, there's no emotion, there's no interesting phrasing and when he tries to sound powerful it just sounds ridiculous to my ears.

He sings in tune, but that is the only positive thing I can think of.

But if you like it, more power to you. Maybe it's a me problem.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2021, 12:00:39 PM
There is one track you are skipping. The last song recorded with Blaze was “Virus” which only appeared on Best of the Beast which is now out of print.

You can find it on You Tube. If you’re being a completist, you should at least give it a spin.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on October 02, 2021, 12:04:17 PM
There is one track you are skipping. The last song recorded with Blaze was “Virus” which only appeared on Best of the Beast which is now out of print.

You can find it on You Tube. If you’re being a completist, you should at least give it a spin.

Blaze should be in a Danzig or Misfits tribute band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 02, 2021, 12:05:40 PM
There is one track you are skipping. The last song recorded with Blaze was “Virus” which only appeared on Best of the Beast which is now out of print.

I love Virus, but I don't think it's a song that's going to change anyone's mind about Blaze or the Blaze era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2021, 12:59:30 PM
I'll call it now but there's no way DT is matching Senjutsu.

Well it depends. Just on The Alien alone, they surpass the entirety of Senjutsu on energy. If the remaining 5 songs have a lot of creativity and good vocal melodies (claimed by MM but not apparent on the 2 singles) then I'm sure I'll like A View more. And obviously it will sound a lot better.

I see that totally the opposite way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2021, 01:01:27 PM

It seems almost sacrilege to say this, but I can honestly say that the greatest Iron Maiden song ever recorded was not done with Bruce. Although I’m glad that Bruce saw fit to give us a couple live versions.

EDIT - and I should clarify that while I really enjoy the live versions with Bruce, Blaze absolutely KILLS it on the original.

You like Lord Of the Flies that much?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2021, 01:05:10 PM
Kev, is this your first time listening through these albums? 

I only just got into Maiden myself relatively recently (the Final Frontier album cycle).  I didn't really think much of Brave New World at first (and still think it is the weakest of the reunion era), but loved some of the live versions on Rock in Rio.  After checking out the album, I would suggest going to the entire Rock in Rio album before continuing with the studio albums if you have the time for it. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on October 02, 2021, 01:25:50 PM
I wonder who the 11 other vocalists that auditioned for them. Blaze thought he had no chance of getting the gig and was shocked that he did. It’s such a small blip in Maidens career no matter how you look at it. The “Blaze era” was mediocre at best and I’m being generous. It served its purpose to bring Bruce back and return to form which Senjutsu clearly still shows. I love it start to finish.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2021, 01:33:02 PM
Kev, is this your first time listening through these albums? 


Basically, yes.  I had heard plenty of Maiden over the years, and always liked a few songs quite a bit, but never really did full album listens, largely because I was always in the "What I've heard is mostly pretty good, but that's it" camp.  I always kind of had a thought that some day I would take the full plunge, and my friend Matt and I doing deep dives through artists' discographies is what finally made me want to do it.  Doing Maiden (his favorite band) was actually my idea. We have done a bunch of artists of whom we are both fans, and also done a few where I was already a fan and he was largely unfamiliar, so I figured it was time to be on the other side of it and tackle one of his bands, so to speak, so I suggested we give Maiden a go, and here we are.  I am honestly not surprised I am enjoying a lot of it as much as I am; it was just a matter of committing the time to listen to all of the albums like I am doing now.

 
I only just got into Maiden myself relatively recently (the Final Frontier album cycle).  I didn't really think much of Brave New World at first (and still think it is the weakest of the reunion era), but loved some of the live versions on Rock in Rio.  After checking out the album, I would suggest going to the entire Rock in Rio album before continuing with the studio albums if you have the time for it.

Actually, hearing a few of the Brave New World songs was a bit part of what inspired me to suggest this journey (I have had maybe 25 songs in my iTunes by them for years, given to me by another friend).  I heard The Wicker Man and Ghost of the Navigator, thought both were really good, so I thought, "Okay, now is the time." 

I am not a big live album guy, but I will check that out eventually, not while in the midst of doing the studio run. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2021, 02:49:16 PM

It seems almost sacrilege to say this, but I can honestly say that the greatest Iron Maiden song ever recorded was not done with Bruce. Although I’m glad that Bruce saw fit to give us a couple live versions.

EDIT - and I should clarify that while I really enjoy the live versions with Bruce, Blaze absolutely KILLS it on the original.

You like Lord Of the Flies that much?

Oh you! Why I oughta…

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 02, 2021, 03:52:00 PM
I completely agree with that take on Sign of the cross. It's not a surprise, though, I tend to agree with people that quote Rush songs in their signatures.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 02, 2021, 06:28:10 PM
Love The X Factor.  Can appreciate why many struggled but thankfully I didn’t judge X Factor based on a pre-conceived idea of what Maiden should or shouldn’t be.

While was surprised they released the record sounding like it did, and fer sure there was far too much repetition, long bass intros and too often tries to be too progressive (always frustrated with the stop start Fortunes Of War get on with it already because it's otherwise fantastic), and of course Blaze being in a completely different place vocally I found it hard to understand why the band had him sing in a register he often sounded uncomfortable with particularly given how great he then sounded when singing in his comfort range for Silicon Messiah (a release burried by the shadow of Brave New World but an overlooked gem in my books!), I was drawn to it regardless!

The thing is I found great comfort in X Factor's dark and brooding stories, its many emotions, anger, frustration and loss, and personally think the performances and its rawness (of sorts) perfectly captured those emotions. In the sense of a perfect vocal Blaze doesn't sound great, and following Bruce Vocal extroidinaire only accentuated Blaze's shortfalls, but Blaze owned that record regardless.   Anyone doubting his abilities need look no further than those first couple Blaze albums and his lates War Within Me.

Anyway, while would never try arguing it's Maiden's finest hour I would absolutely argue X Factor an essential and worthy peice of the Iron Maiden catalog!


Sidenote - Hey jammindude did you pick up Blaze's War Within Me?  I'd argue it's his best release since Silicon Messiah (Tenth Dimmension and his Trilogy worth the time too of course) \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2021, 06:32:09 PM
War Within Me is awesome!!!


My fave from Blaze is Promise And Terror.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 02, 2021, 06:37:15 PM
There is one track you are skipping. The last song recorded with Blaze was “Virus” which only appeared on Best of the Beast which is now out of print.

You can find it on You Tube. If you’re being a completist, you should at least give it a spin.

Wasn't Virus recorded between X Factor and Virtual XI?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 02, 2021, 06:44:12 PM
War Within Me is awesome!!!

My fave from Blaze is Promise And Terror.

Yes that's another awesome record!  Actually liked that one a little better than its predecessor The Man Who Would Not Die (for which Bruce interviewed him on his then radio segment or whatever it was!) but another cool record :tup

Promise And Terror's finale of The Trace Of Things through Comfortable In Darkness was quite excellent! ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
I completely agree with that take on Sign of the cross. It's not a surprise, though, I tend to agree with people that quote Rush songs in their signatures.

:hug:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 02, 2021, 06:49:07 PM
There is one track you are skipping. The last song recorded with Blaze was “Virus” which only appeared on Best of the Beast which is now out of print.

You can find it on You Tube. If you’re being a completist, you should at least give it a spin.

Wasn't Virus recorded between X Factor and Virtual XI?

Yes you're correct.  Recorded and as jammindude said was released in 96 on their Best Of The Best collection, 2yrs before they released Virtual XI.  It was dark and more suited to XFactor than Virtual hence why it probably didn't get rereleased as a Virtual XI track  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2021, 06:51:52 PM
There is one track you are skipping. The last song recorded with Blaze was “Virus” which only appeared on Best of the Beast which is now out of print.

You can find it on You Tube. If you’re being a completist, you should at least give it a spin.

Wasn't Virus recorded between X Factor and Virtual XI?

:oops:

Ya…sorry. Had to look it up but you are correct
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2021, 09:44:18 PM
Love The X Factor.  Can appreciate why many struggled but thankfully I didn’t judge X Factor based on a pre-conceived idea of what Maiden should or shouldn’t be.


I did not either.  I have no problem when a band does different stuff and thinks outside the box.  Quite a few of the songs on both The X Factor and Virtual XI seemed like they had a lot of potential, but the combination of the poor mixes (they sounded like they were going for that 90s dirty sound, but took it too far) and Bayley's poor vocals made them difficult listens for me.  Firing that guy and getting Dickinson back was the smartest move they could have possibly made.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 03, 2021, 12:38:45 AM
Love The X Factor.  Can appreciate why many struggled but thankfully I didn’t judge X Factor based on a pre-conceived idea of what Maiden should or shouldn’t be.


I did not either.  I have no problem when a band does different stuff and thinks outside the box.  Quite a few of the songs on both The X Factor and Virtual XI seemed like they had a lot of potential, but the combination of the poor mixes (they sounded like they were going for that 90s dirty sound, but took it too far) and Bayley's poor vocals made them difficult listens for me.  Firing that guy and getting Dickinson back was the smartest move they could have possibly made.

Oh fer sure, don't get me wrong, a re-formed Maiden was the smartest and most logical decision and one of greatest things to happen for the band and IMO metal at that time 😉

But those Blaze albums have their place and am grateful for them regardless 🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 03, 2021, 07:09:32 AM
Love The X Factor.  Can appreciate why many struggled but thankfully I didn’t judge X Factor based on a pre-conceived idea of what Maiden should or shouldn’t be.


I did not either.  I have no problem when a band does different stuff and thinks outside the box.  Quite a few of the songs on both The X Factor and Virtual XI seemed like they had a lot of potential, but the combination of the poor mixes (they sounded like they were going for that 90s dirty sound, but took it too far) and Bayley's poor vocals made them difficult listens for me.  Firing that guy and getting Dickinson back was the smartest move they could have possibly made.

Yeah, I'm not enamored of either Blaze album either (though I like the guy a lot), but it's not a function of "pre-conceived notions".  I've loved most of the other turns the band has made and feel they are now making their best music as a collective.  (I think the only other "development" I haven't liked was Bruce's vocal adjustment for NPFTD and FOTD). It's just that what I want in a metal band isn't there, and there's only 24 hours in a day; I might as well spend that time listening to something that delivers. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2021, 07:16:09 AM


Oh fer sure, don't get me wrong, a re-formed Maiden was the smartest and most logical decision and one of greatest things to happen for the band and IMO metal at that time 😉

But those Blaze albums have their place and am grateful for them regardless 🤘

If you enjoy them, that is all that matters.  :tup :tup



Yeah, I'm not enamored of either Blaze album either (though I like the guy a lot), but it's not a function of "pre-conceived notions".  I've loved most of the other turns the band has made and feel they are now making their best music as a collective.  (I think the only other "development" I haven't liked was Bruce's vocal adjustment for NPFTD and FOTD). It's just that what I want in a metal band isn't there, and there's only 24 hours in a day; I might as well spend that time listening to something that delivers.

Exactly.   Looks like Maiden has 17 studio albums, and I am through 11 so far (working on Brave New World this morning!), and the two with Bayley are easily the two least best, so if we can assume that the remaining six are all better (all they need to be is solid to be better, quite frankly), why waste time on the 16th and 17th best studio albums?  There is too much music and not enough time to get to it all. Hell, Rush is my favorite band and I rarely listen to what I consider their two or three least best albums, so that won't be happening with Iron Maiden either. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2021, 09:13:27 AM
So you never listen to Power Windows?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2021, 09:20:54 AM
So you never listen to Power Windows?

(https://c.tenor.com/Fz_jjEgKmcYAAAAM/dave-chappelle-rick-james.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 03, 2021, 09:43:39 AM
It's pretty inarguable that the production on the Blaze albums is not good, so if that plays an important role in someone liking an album, they're obviously not going to like those albums. And Blaze has a pretty distinct and unusual voice (this is why I don't get calling him generic; who sounds like he does?), so if someone doesn't like his voice, they're obviously not going to like those albums. There's nothing wrong with that, and it makes sense to me even though I really like both albums.

Where I get annoyed is when people make abusive comments toward Blaze (or Janick for that matter), or, to a lesser degree, act like there was nothing going on on those albums that was good or like those albums didn't lay a lot of the groundwork for the albums that came after them. (To the extent that he was one of the three main songwriters on those albums and a couple of songs on Brave New World, Blaze deserves his share of credit for Maiden's progressive turn.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on October 03, 2021, 09:49:17 AM
So you never listen to Power Windows?

Are you saying Blaze should have sang on Power Windows? Maybe a Rick Rubin production?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 03, 2021, 11:22:09 AM
Blaze has anything but a generic voice. There were many issues with XF and VXI (I never listen to them anymore) but his voice wasn't one of them, afaic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2021, 11:32:32 AM
I guess I could have used the words "shitty" or "crappy" instead, but I was trying to be nice by using words like "bland,"  "generic" and "poor." :P :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 03, 2021, 11:42:34 AM
Ah. I see. It's not what I feel but I hear what you're saying.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 03, 2021, 11:50:55 AM
I mean, I feel like it's a Geddy Lee or Claudio Sanchez situation. A very unusual voice that some people can't stand and others like.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2021, 12:11:05 PM
I posted a ton of positive feedback about the 80s stuff and got occasional feedback, yet I post some criticism about two albums that appear, no matter what corner of the internet you look, to be the band's two least popular albums, and here comes the pushback and nonstop chatter. 

In other words, I should just post criticism about the rest going forward if I want to generate any more convo about my journey.  :lol :lol :\ :\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 03, 2021, 12:24:14 PM
The Blaze albums are among their least popular albums, but they (especially The X Factor) also have a small contingent of ardent defenders. Plus a lot of the criticism of those albums, historically and still today, has been very toxic. Blaze took a lot of personal abuse for "ruining" Iron Maiden.

None of that is the fault of anyone like you who dislikes those albums but isn't toxic about it, but the general atmosphere has led to a bit of wagon circling and touchiness among supporters of Blaze and those albums. And, yes, a hope that people who are new to the band will see what we do in those albums.

The same thing goes on to a lesser extent with the six reunion albums, which are generally held in higher regard, but still receive their share of negativity, some of it toxic (Janick, also, has apparently "ruined" Iron Maiden). So if you're critical of those, yeah, you'll get some pushback there, too. But on the other side, if you like those albums, I'll be thrilled and I'll be interested in seeing what your favorites are.

It's also just sort of in the nature of things that if you praise the songs and albums that are popularly praised, people have less to discuss. I think the comments you made about the 80s albums that got the most chatter were about Powerslave, where you praised a part of the album that some people, myself included, don't think is all that great. I think if you'd come out of the 80s albums and said, "these are great, and my favorite songs are Innocent Exile, Gangland, Sun and Steel, Losfer Words and Deja Vu," that would've generated some additional discussion because those would be unusual choices.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2021, 01:53:59 PM
I won't get into TXF, but many know where I stand on it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on October 03, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
To me, the 4 albums from NPFTD through VXI is the band's rough period, but there are gems in there as well.

The best songs on those albums are good songs and just as good as any other good Maiden songs, but if you're a casual fan, you're not missing too much; other than Fear of the Dark the song, which is a Maiden classic, but it's always better live anyway, the Live/Dead One version is the definitive version imo. Be Quick or Be Dead, The Fugitive, Sign of the Cross, and The Clansman are highly underrated songs from this period.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2021, 02:19:46 PM
Am I the only one that finds FOTD (the song) overrated?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on October 03, 2021, 02:26:50 PM
Am I the only one that finds FOTD (the song) overrated?

All the best Maiden songs are overrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2021, 02:27:51 PM
Am I the only one that finds FOTD (the song) overrated?

All the best Maiden songs are overrated.

Fair play.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2021, 02:34:47 PM
Am I the only one that finds FOTD (the song) overrated?

Pretty sure WildRanger does too. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2021, 02:42:03 PM
Am I the only one that finds FOTD (the song) overrated?

Pretty sure WildRanger does too. ;D

He posted his opinion on something?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2021, 02:43:58 PM
Am I the only one that finds FOTD (the song) overrated?

Pretty sure WildRanger does too. ;D

He posted his opinion on something?

Nah, just bustin' your balls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 03, 2021, 03:06:33 PM
Am I the only one that finds FOTD (the song) overrated?

Nope. That riff is abs fantabulous but the rest isn't.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2021, 03:09:11 PM
THAT SONG IS GREAT!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 03, 2021, 03:14:51 PM
It's, like, a song about fear of, you know, the dark. You can tell because he sings "Fear Of The Dark" a thousand times and talks about feeling "anxious when it's dark".  ;D

I don't hate it but very rarely listen to it. But I know it's well loved. It really is a perfect Maiden riff. So neat.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: darkshade on October 03, 2021, 04:06:47 PM
Fear of the Dark is as Iron Maiden as it gets, as much as The Trooper.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2021, 04:33:13 PM
Am I the only one that finds FOTD (the song) overrated?

Pretty sure WildRanger does too. ;D

He posted his opinion on something?

Nah, just bustin' your balls.

Duh.  I get it now!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2021, 04:33:49 PM
It's, like, a song about fear of, you know, the dark. You can tell because he sings "Fear Of The Dark" a thousand times and talks about feeling "anxious when it's dark".  ;D

I don't hate it but very rarely listen to it. But I know it's well loved. It really is a perfect Maiden riff. So neat.

I always hated the lyrics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 03, 2021, 05:47:21 PM
FOTD…by itself…is really just an average song. I honestly don’t think it even hit me as anything special when the album came out.

But when I got Best of the Beast and heard the live version :jawdrop:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2021, 05:48:37 PM
You guys are tripping.

When that album came out, I was blasting that song all over the place.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: JediKnight1969 on October 03, 2021, 05:54:49 PM
You guys are tripping.

When that album came out, I was blasting that song all over the place.

Agree. That's song is an anthem. It's impossible not to go crazy when you hear it live.

Plus... Who cares about the lyrics? Imagine you can't play a brand new CD... Can you say that you don't like a song just reading the lyrics on the booklet?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2021, 05:56:52 PM
The lyrics are excellent. I'm going to pretend this last page didn't exist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2021, 06:11:41 PM
You guys are tripping.

When that album came out, I was blasting that song all over the place.

The lyrics are excellent. I'm going to pretend this last page didn't exist.

This is coming from a guy that doesn't like Winger though.  So......
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 03, 2021, 06:29:29 PM
I made a huge mistake years ago getting rid of my original pressing and buying the remasters.
Something I've done over the years, but stopped when I realised that most remasters sound not as good as the originals.

Back to Blaze, I don't think I've ever own VXI and my ex-wife stole TXF from me before we parted.
I have both coming to me (original masters) in the mail, UK pressing of VXI and Japan TXF with bonus 3 track CD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 03, 2021, 06:33:17 PM
I remember when my VXI was delivered when it was released. I came home from work, and my wife, knowing after an hour's ride, I normally would take a piss the minute I got home, positioned my VXI on the back of the toilet so as soon as I took my piss, I'd see it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on October 03, 2021, 07:14:38 PM
Kev you’re doing great. Don’t worry about the few Blaze diehards.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on October 03, 2021, 07:33:03 PM
To this day I can still not understand how Blaze ever ended up in Maiden. To me, his singing on those 2 Maiden albums is just so pedestrian. His lower voice has some good tonal qualities but his mid to higher range is devoid of emotion and passion and I just can't connect with him.

It's great that he and his two Maiden albums have so many fans here but I am also really surprised at the amount of love for those albums. I've even gone back to revisit them because of all the positive comments but no, although I do like some of the songs, Blaze just doesn't work.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 03, 2021, 08:20:50 PM
I wanna address that I never listened to the Fear of The Dark album until now. And I have to say this album is really, arena rock like The Scorpions, especially Childhoods End. I could see why it is not liked among the fan base. Also, Dickinsons vocals are different and seems as if he's dialing it in, or just wasn't enthused at the songs. Not saying his vocals suck on this, but I feel he could've done a way better job at these songs, and seeing Fear Of The Dark, the song, live shows me that Bruce could have done better. But that's me and my opinion.

I wouldn't say this album is bad. It's that it feels it would be a better album done by Helloween or Primal Fear. Rather than being an Iron Maiden album, which this sound the album has does not scream Iron Maiden and feels as if they're trying to emulate that sing along anthem. I can also hear the beginnings of the reunion sound on this album thanks in part to Janick.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 03, 2021, 08:31:52 PM
To this day I can still not understand how Blaze ever ended up in Maiden. To me, his singing on those 2 Maiden albums is just so pedestrian. His lower voice has some good tonal qualities but his mid to higher range is devoid of emotion and passion and I just can't connect with him.

It's great that he and his two Maiden albums have so many fans here but I am also really surprised at the amount of love for those albums. I've even gone back to revisit them because of all the positive comments but no, although I do like some of the songs, Blaze just doesn't work.

I think it was more a case of the right personality fitting in with the band, SH wanted an English singer, for the humour and culture factors.
I am sure that there were better singers, but for whatever reason he was chosen and maybe Blaze was the wrong choice?
That said he was on a hiding to nothing, having to sing Bruce's songs in a key too high for him, which lead to him blowing his voice out on tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on October 03, 2021, 08:56:31 PM
To this day I can still not understand how Blaze ever ended up in Maiden. To me, his singing on those 2 Maiden albums is just so pedestrian. His lower voice has some good tonal qualities but his mid to higher range is devoid of emotion and passion and I just can't connect with him.

It's great that he and his two Maiden albums have so many fans here but I am also really surprised at the amount of love for those albums. I've even gone back to revisit them because of all the positive comments but no, although I do like some of the songs, Blaze just doesn't work.

I think it was more a case of the right personality fitting in with the band, SH wanted an English singer, for the humour and culture factors.
I am sure that there were better singers, but for whatever reason he was chosen and maybe Blaze was the wrong choice?
That said he was on a hiding to nothing, having to sing Bruce's songs in a key too high for him, which lead to him blowing his voice out on tour.

Yes, I am sure you are right. I am coming from a pure vocal style/ability and the fact that Blaze couldn't sing Bruce's songs live in just another reason it just feels like such a bizarre choice to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 03, 2021, 11:25:28 PM
What happened to Iron Maiden in the 90s?
https://youtu.be/g-S6Dlbmg_4
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2021, 12:41:19 AM
I posted a ton of positive feedback about the 80s stuff and got occasional feedback, yet I post some criticism about two albums that appear, no matter what corner of the internet you look, to be the band's two least popular albums, and here comes the pushback and nonstop chatter. 

In other words, I should just post criticism about the rest going forward if I want to generate any more convo about my journey.  :lol :lol :\ :\

I'll take the hit for you, Kev.

'90s Maiden is mostly crap.

There.  Come at me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 04, 2021, 01:44:29 AM
You guys are tripping.

When that album came out, I was blasting that song all over the place.

Agree. That's song is an anthem. It's impossible not to go crazy when you hear it live.

Plus... Who cares about the lyrics? Imagine you can't play a brand new CD... Can you say that you don't like a song just reading the lyrics on the booklet?

Everybody does. They wouldn't be the band they are if the lyrics and associated mental imagery were:

Kicks! Kicks! Licks!
Bananas and the fleece!
Fell my tyre!
The corn will be released!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 04, 2021, 03:33:32 AM
I remember when my VXI was delivered when it was released. I came home from work, and my wife, knowing after an hour's ride, I normally would take a piss the minute I got home, positioned my VXI on the back of the toilet so as soon as I took my piss, I'd see it.

Outstanding haha!

I'm surprised no one took the opportunity to post some kind of joke with VXI being in the toilet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 04, 2021, 03:40:49 AM
I for one do not find it weird that the Blaze Bayley era gets commented on this much. It was such an odd time for the band and such a unique era, that it is getting debated to death even now. The X Factor is particularly divisive among the fanbase. Whether you post a positive or a negative comment on it, it will generate discussion.

That being said, I am looking forward to Kev's takes on Brave new world, Dance of death and so on. We'll have a more balanced discussion, given that most of the reunion albums are beloved by the fans.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 04, 2021, 04:43:37 AM
Popped Killers on a few minutes ago while sat here beavering away.

Anyway, it just occurred to me how utterly amazing the drumming is on Genghis Khan and thought you might all need to know what I think :lol

Also, how come I've never noticed it before over the years? Crazy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 04, 2021, 05:02:15 AM
Agree even the Bruce fronted 90's Maiden releases blew compared to their 80's output, but like others said there were some winners to be had...

One song that seems to always escape comment is Fear of The Dark's 'The Fugitive' a seriously good song which fer these ears had a slight Only The Good Die Young vibe about it! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on October 04, 2021, 05:29:03 AM
The Fugitive is a fantastic song. Same with Judas Be My Guide. I think both just get lost in the middle of an unpopular album that is dominated by the title track.

Does Childhoods End remind anyone of a Script-era Marillion song? Not a specific one but the overall style (especially during the tom rolls). And does From Here To Eternity remind anyone of The Clairvoyant? I think the melodies are a bit too close.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 04, 2021, 06:01:51 AM
Popped Killers on a few minutes ago while sat here beavering away.

Anyway, it just occurred to me how utterly amazing the drumming is on Genghis Khan and thought you might all need to know what I think :lol

Also, how come I've never noticed it before over the years? Crazy.

Nice. Clive was just fantastic on Killers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 04, 2021, 06:53:57 AM
I made a huge mistake years ago getting rid of my original pressing and buying the remasters.
Something I've done over the years, but stopped when I realised that most remasters sound not as good as the originals.

Back to Blaze, I don't think I've ever own VXI and my ex-wife stole TXF from me before we parted.
I have both coming to me (original masters) in the mail, UK pressing of VXI and Japan TXF with bonus 3 track CD.

THAT'S what she stole?!?    :) :) :)



I remember when my VXI was delivered when it was released. I came home from work, and my wife, knowing after an hour's ride, I normally would take a piss the minute I got home, positioned my VXI on the back of the toilet so as soon as I took my piss, I'd see it.

Is that cool, as in "I'm going to do something nice for my sweetie", or was she subliminally giving her commentary on the quality of the album??   :) :)

EDIT:  For the record, I wrote that before I saw Wolfie's post!  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 04, 2021, 06:56:18 AM

Kicks! Kicks! Licks!
Bananas and the fleece!
Fell my tyre!
The corn will be released!


Yeah, but now I'm intrigued; where are the rest of the lyrics?  I want to know what that song is about!    :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on October 04, 2021, 08:11:40 AM
I unfortunately can't really get into Senjutsu. I see some people comparing it to The X Factor, perhaps that is why it does not click with me as I find that one to be quite boring. Now I don't find this one bad or boring perse, but I can't say the album is enticing me for more listens. Glad to see many are enjoying it more than I am though.

Listened to Book of Souls again and I still love it. To me it has much more exciting moments and vocals that catch my attention.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 04, 2021, 08:33:47 AM
I still think that Book of Souls is better, but I enjoy the hell out of Senjutsu. It doesn't bore me at all, and the last three songs are not difficult to get through.

I think that somehow Book of Souls manages to sound a bit fresh and unusual for their standards, even if they use the same tricks, however with Senjutsu the "eh, heard this before" feel is strong throughout. Still, I love the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 04, 2021, 08:35:26 AM
So inspired by this thread I thought I’d listen to all the albums in order and share something of my thoughts. The principle thing that stands out for me on re-listening is just how original and different this band were. You can’t describe their music by saying “oh, they sound a bit like….” because there’s nothing before or since that they even sound a little bit like. They sound like Iron Maiden, no one else, and that is the source of their genius.

Full disclosure – I’ve loved Maiden since I was at school. They were the first metal band I’d heard, the first band I loved, and the band that got be into being a music fan. I’m biased, I love this band. Anyway, lets take a time machine back to 1980…

Iron Maiden.
What a debut, this sounded like nothing else at the time and must have blown people away on hearing it, unique and totally original. It’s got all the attitude of punk, but it’s metal. Prowler is the perfect opener, laying all it’s cards on the table despite some dodgy lyrics. Remember Tomorrow brings the melodic sensibilities, and Phantom of the Opera is like nothing else on Earth, a metal gallop through proggy time signatures and key changes. No one listening to this in 1980 had ever heard anything quite like it. The final track is the perfect closer, pulling together the various sounds of the album into one simple signature tune, Iron Maiden’s gonna get ya! Only weak spot for me is Charlotte the Harlot, something that I imagine worked well live but is a bit of a slog on the recorded version. What amazes me most about this album is what a great band this was, Di’Anno is a great singer, Den Stratton a great guitarist. I wish there was more of this line-up, as listening to this album always leaves me hungry to hear what they would record next.

Killers. Enter Adrian Smith and that big Martin Birch production. Maiden gained a lot here, but they also lost something of the rawness of the first album. This is the first album that sounds like Maiden, but let’s be honest, the songs aren’t there. I’ve never really connected with this album. The mixing seems to smooth off the raw edges of Di’Anno’s voice, which isn’t a good thing. Songs like Innocent Exile and Another Life are so forgettable you forget what they sound like while you’re listening to them. Oddest of all is Prodigal Son, where Maiden break out the acoustic guitars and play something folky that could be early Rush or Jethro Tull, it’s a fascinating insight into a road not travelled.

The Number of The Beast. Well, if there were doubts on the last album about the singer’s voice not really suiting the material, they’re blown out of the water here. Dickinson’s debut is stunning, not only probably the best Maiden album, but one of the best albums of all time in any genre. It thumps you in the gut from first to last and every song is a killer. Invaders always struck me as a strange choice for opener, but it isn’t, it really works, and is a superb appetiser for Children of the Damned, which really shows off what the band’s new air-raid siren of a vocalist could do. But the real meat is on side two, the title track, with it’s spoken word intro, and the all time classic Run to the Hills. Gangland isn’t bad, despite it’s reputation, but it’s the weakest song here by far. Clive Burr’s drumming is on point throughout, it’s never been clear why they sacked him, I’ve always assumed it was to make room for his replacement. Hallowed Be Thy Name gives the band their best song so far, their Stairway to Heaven or Freebird. Can you think of any other band that could have recorded this? Thought not.

Piece of Mind. I always dismiss this album as it’s sandwiched between the previous album, possibly the band’s best, and the next, one of my faves. But I’m doing it a disservice, as every time I listen to it I’m reminded just how good it is. Where Eagles Dare is all about the drums, Nicko McBrain making it clear from the start why he is one of the world’s best drummers. Revalations has more than a touch of Rush about it, Flight of Icarus has those multi-tracked vocals that make it clear the band are chasing US radio play. The Trooper is amazing, of course. Both Still Life and Sun and Steel are great songs, but often overlooked as Quest for Fire is so bad it drags the neighbouring songs down with it. To Tame A Land is… well, I could write an entire book about this one. Brilliant, utterly unique, utterly original, mental, insane, there’s bits of Yes and Zappa in there, and it’s the point at which Steve Harris throws away the rule book. He’d written great songs before, but everything he’s written since owes it’s creation to this. An utter masterpiece. It’s also complete garbage, of course, with cringeworthy lyrics. That’s how you can tell something is genius, it manages to be brilliant and awful at the same time.

Powerslave. The first thing that hits you about this is the fact that it doesn’t actually start with Churchill’s Speech, like I’d assumed, it just goes straight into Aces High. The second thing is the mix, wide and expansive, that big 80s rock sound, all high-end and not enough bass. The drums in particular sound tinny, and a little lower in the mix. But the music! This one and Seventh Son have always flip-flopped for my favourite Maiden album. Two Minutes to Midnight is insanely good, Losfa Words is rocking good fun, Flash of the Blade sounds like a single that never was and would fit in well on the next album.  Back In the Village is my favourite song on the album, at the time I’d never heard anything so fast, so precise, so metal. What is wrong with people who don’t like this one? The album ends with two undisputed classics, Powerslave, with its monster driving riff and Bruce switching effortlessly between menacing growl and operatic scream, and Rime of the Ancient Mariner, yet another classic that only Maiden could have produced. Silly, bombastic, theatrical, pantomimic and over-the-top? You bet!

What is most amazing about these albums is the fact that in 5 short years they go from being a pub band in the east end of London to selling out arenas around the world, and the quite remarkable development of their music in that time. And back then they did it the hard way, endless touring, word of mouth, and no radio play.  Part two to follow…
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 04, 2021, 08:45:38 AM
So inspired by this thread I thought I’d listen to all the albums in order and share something of my thoughts. The principle thing that stands out for me on re-listening is just how original and different this band were. You can’t describe their music by saying “oh, they sound a bit like….” because there’s nothing before or since that they even sound a little bit like. They sound like Iron Maiden, no one else, and that is the source of their genius.

Full disclosure – I’ve loved Maiden since I was at school. They were the first metal band I’d heard, the first band I loved, and the band that got be into being a music fan. I’m biased, I love this band. Anyway, lets take a time machine back to 1980…

Iron Maiden.
What a debut, this sounded like nothing else at the time and must have blown people away on hearing it, unique and totally original. It’s got all the attitude of punk, but it’s metal. Prowler is the perfect opener, laying all it’s cards on the table despite some dodgy lyrics. Remember Tomorrow brings the melodic sensibilities, and Phantom of the Opera is like nothing else on Earth, a metal gallop through proggy time signatures and key changes. No one listening to this in 1980 had ever heard anything quite like it. The final track is the perfect closer, pulling together the various sounds of the album into one simple signature tune, Iron Maiden’s gonna get ya! Only weak spot for me is Charlotte the Harlot, something that I imagine worked well live but is a bit of a slog on the recorded version. What amazes me most about this album is what a great band this was, Di’Anno is a great singer, Den Stratton a great guitarist. I wish there was more of this line-up, as listening to this album always leaves me hungry to hear what they would record next.

Killers. Enter Adrian Smith and that big Martin Birch production. Maiden gained a lot here, but they also lost something of the rawness of the first album. This is the first album that sounds like Maiden, but let’s be honest, the songs aren’t there. I’ve never really connected with this album. The mixing seems to smooth off the raw edges of Di’Anno’s voice, which isn’t a good thing. Songs like Innocent Exile and Another Life are so forgettable you forget what they sound like while you’re listening to them. Oddest of all is Prodigal Son, where Maiden break out the acoustic guitars and play something folky that could be early Rush or Jethro Tull, it’s a fascinating insight into a road not travelled.

The Number of The Beast. Well, if there were doubts on the last album about the singer’s voice not really suiting the material, they’re blown out of the water here. Dickinson’s debut is stunning, not only probably the best Maiden album, but one of the best albums of all time in any genre. It thumps you in the gut from first to last and every song is a killer. Invaders always struck me as a strange choice for opener, but it isn’t, it really works, and is a superb appetiser for Children of the Damned, which really shows off what the band’s new air-raid siren of a vocalist could do. But the real meat is on side two, the title track, with it’s spoken word intro, and the all time classic Run to the Hills. Gangland isn’t bad, despite it’s reputation, but it’s the weakest song here by far. Clive Burr’s drumming is on point throughout, it’s never been clear why they sacked him, I’ve always assumed it was to make room for his replacement. Hallowed Be Thy Name gives the band their best song so far, their Stairway to Heaven or Freebird. Can you think of any other band that could have recorded this? Thought not.

Piece of Mind. I always dismiss this album as it’s sandwiched between the previous album, possibly the band’s best, and the next, one of my faves. But I’m doing it a disservice, as every time I listen to it I’m reminded just how good it is. Where Eagles Dare is all about the drums, Nicko McBrain making it clear from the start why he is one of the world’s best drummers. Revalations has more than a touch of Rush about it, Flight of Icarus has those multi-tracked vocals that make it clear the band are chasing US radio play. The Trooper is amazing, of course. Both Still Life and Sun and Steel are great songs, but often overlooked as Quest for Fire is so bad it drags the neighbouring songs down with it. To Tame A Land is… well, I could write an entire book about this one. Brilliant, utterly unique, utterly original, mental, insane, there’s bits of Yes and Zappa in there, and it’s the point at which Steve Harris throws away the rule book. He’d written great songs before, but everything he’s written since owes it’s creation to this. An utter masterpiece. It’s also complete garbage, of course, with cringeworthy lyrics. That’s how you can tell something is genius, it manages to be brilliant and awful at the same time.

Powerslave. The first thing that hits you about this is the fact that it doesn’t actually start with Churchill’s Speech, like I’d assumed, it just goes straight into Aces High. The second thing is the mix, wide and expansive, that big 80s rock sound, all high-end and not enough bass. The drums in particular sound tinny, and a little lower in the mix. But the music! This one and Seventh Son have always flip-flopped for my favourite Maiden album. Two Minutes to Midnight is insanely good, Losfa Words is rocking good fun, Flash of the Blade sounds like a single that never was and would fit in well on the next album.  Back In the Village is my favourite song on the album, at the time I’d never heard anything so fast, so precise, so metal. What is wrong with people who don’t like this one? The album ends with two undisputed classics, Powerslave, with its monster driving riff and Bruce switching effortlessly between menacing growl and operatic scream, and Rime of the Ancient Mariner, yet another classic that only Maiden could have produced. Silly, bombastic, theatrical, pantomimic and over-the-top? You bet!

What is most amazing about these albums is the fact that in 5 short years they go from being a pub band in the east end of London to selling out arenas around the world, and the quite remarkable development of their music in that time. And back then they did it the hard way, endless touring, word of mouth, and no radio play.  Part two to follow…

Love your insight.  Quibble with the comments about Killers (it's in my top five Maiden albums easily, maybe top three, and my friend considers it his favorite album of all time by any band), and the bold is incomprehensible; that guitar line by Murray is just amazing. But the rest is fun to read!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 04, 2021, 09:32:28 AM
I think that somehow Book of Souls manages to sound a bit fresh and unusual for their standards, even if they use the same tricks, however with Senjutsu the "eh, heard this before" feel is strong throughout. Still, I love the album.

I think The Book of Souls is a little bit of a step sideways off of the trajectory they were following on the previous albums, and then Senjutsu is a return to being straight on that trajectory. If you erased my memory of when the Iron Maiden albums were released and asked me to put them in chronological order, I think I would put AMOLAD, TFF and Senjutsu all together, and not be quite sure where to put Book of Souls. It has elements that feel like the next step from TFF, particularly Empire of the Clouds, which feels like the culmination of their progressive trend, and it has elements that feel familiar to the AMOLAD/TFF/Senjutsu set, like the title track, The Red and the Black, and The Great Unknown. But it also has something like Death or Glory, which really hearkens back to their 80s sound (Speed of Light, too, to a lesser extent), and songs like The Man of Sorrows and If Eternity Should Fail, which are hard to place.

I've really felt this way ever since The Book of Souls came out. It felt like a follow-up to TFF in some ways, but it also had elements that reached back to an earlier era of the band, and elements that I couldn't really place. I never really voiced this feeling, because TBoS was the first Maiden album that came out after I became a fan, so I thought there was a good chance my experience of the album was skewed. But now that Senjutsu is out, I'm a lot more confident that I was on to something.

I think for someone like me, who's a huge fan of the AMOLAD/TFF sound, TBoS being a bit of a step sideways off the path was a bit disappointing. But I can see those same features making TBoS more appealing in certain ways to someone who's more of an 80s fan. I'm optimistic that now that I have Senjutsu, the follow-up to TFF that I hoped to hear for 10 years, I'll be able to appreciate The Book of Souls more for what it is (not that I didn't like it a lot, but there's been some slight lingering disappointment).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 04, 2021, 10:39:49 AM
Not to drift too far off topic, but a buddy at work and I were talking about the early days and the Maiden Japan EP in particular, and I got to wondering.

Did they ever release a full Dianno show anywhere? I’m curious what a full Killers set would look/sound like.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 04, 2021, 11:20:38 AM
According to discogs, No.
The only official release of a 'full show' with Di'Anno was the 'Live At The Rainbow' VHS/Beta from 1980.
That included an early version of Killers, prior to it's release.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on October 04, 2021, 01:12:29 PM
Not to drift too far off topic, but a buddy at work and I were talking about the early days and the Maiden Japan EP in particular, and I got to wondering.

Did they ever release a full Dianno show anywhere? I’m curious what a full Killers set would look/sound like.

It's a bootleg, but with a good/solid quality, worth checking out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvQYEtlBpLs

Iron Maiden - Maiden Japan Special Edition (1981)
01. Wratchild
02. Purgatory
03. Sanctuary
04. Remember Tomorrow
05. Another Life (Drum Solo)
06. Genghis Khan
07. Killers
08. Innocent Exile
09. Twilight Zone
10. Strange World
11. Murders In The Rue Morgue
12. Phantom Of The Opera
13. Iron Maiden
14. Running Free
15. Transylvania (Guitar Solo)
16. Drifter
17. I've Got The Fire (cover do Montrose)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 04, 2021, 02:05:40 PM
Maiden Japan is great even if it's not official.  It's basically the best you're going to get for a full Paul concert. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 05, 2021, 03:49:37 PM
Serious question: is there anywhere to buy or find digital versions of the original releases of their 80s albums? Looks like the 2015 remastered versions are all brickwalled to death (and supposedly the 1998 ones weren't good either), and I'd rather get the original, cleaner versions.

PM sent :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on October 05, 2021, 04:03:00 PM
Serious question: is there anywhere to buy or find digital versions of the original releases of their 80s albums? Looks like the 2015 remastered versions are all brickwalled to death (and supposedly the 1998 ones weren't good either), and I'd rather get the original, cleaner versions.

PM sent :)

Qobuz is my favorite site.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on October 06, 2021, 04:19:28 AM
So inspired by this thread I thought I’d listen to all the albums in order and share something of my thoughts.

Great post! Give us part two now, please!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2021, 06:04:15 PM
Quick update:

Brave New World was quite good. I liked about 2/3 of a lot.

Dance of Death is good, but I hate the sound of it.  Too muddy and too hot.  Some really good songs, but it is a struggle to get through some of them because of the sound. I doubt I will revisit that one much.

And then there is A Matter of Life and Death, which is just tremendous.  Easily their best of the 00s albums, IMO. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 06, 2021, 07:02:51 PM
Quick update:

Brave New World was quite good. I liked about 2/3 of a lot.

Dance of Death is good, but I hate the sound of it.  Too muddy and too hot.  Some really good songs, but it is a struggle to get through some of them because of the sound. I doubt I will revisit that one much.

And then there is A Matter of Life and Death, which is just tremendous.  Easily their best of the 00s albums, IMO.

Mostly agree with all that although prefer BNW over AMOLAD purely for it being a little more traditional Maiden which is clearly what they needed it to be at that time.

AMOLAD saw them branching out more and was definitely one of their best post-reunion albums \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 06, 2021, 07:21:46 PM
Quick update:

Brave New World was quite good. I liked about 2/3 of a lot.

Dance of Death is good, but I hate the sound of it.  Too muddy and too hot.  Some really good songs, but it is a struggle to get through some of them because of the sound. I doubt I will revisit that one much.

And then there is A Matter of Life and Death, which is just tremendous.  Easily their best of the 00s albums, IMO.

Oh man, I'm really glad to hear that AMOLAD connected with you. It is absolutely a monumental album. And you liking it that much bodes well for the remaining albums. Glad you liked BNW, too, which I think is just a really good, reliable album, even though I like a lot of their other albums better.

DoD is indeed badly produced. It's now in the top half of my Maiden ranking, but I think the bad master job was a barrier to me being able to digest it for a long time. If you return to anything from it, return to Paschendale, which is my favorite Iron Maiden song (and I think a favorite of many reunion-era fans). There's an awesome live version of it from Death on the Road that isn't mastered quite so hot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2021, 07:25:26 PM
A Matter of Life and Death is why multiple listens are often needed.

The first listen was like, "Eh, I don't know about this one."

The second listen was like, "Hot damn, this is great stuff."

And I am still working my way through it, as there are a lot of layers, and there is still a lot of meat for me to chew. :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 06, 2021, 07:33:28 PM
I consider A Matter Of Life And Death to be the Reunion Era's landmark album. I personally prefer The Final Frontier, but I recognize AMOLAD's place.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2021, 08:32:43 PM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 06, 2021, 08:54:27 PM
The Nomad is one that's so easy to overlook (I overlook it too often myself), but is a really good piece.

I wouldn't argue with AMOLAD as the landmark album of the reunion era. It certainly tread important, fresh ground for the first time, and has some absolutely massive songs (Kev lists many of the ones I would; I would add at minimum Lord of Light). That may be enough to make it the landmark album, ahead of some others that didn't do as much to establish a distinct new musical approach. But in terms of quality, I do think it has been surpassed once (by its immediate successor) and may have just been surpassed again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2021, 09:19:36 PM
Early thoughts are I don't see any way The Final Frontier equals or surpasses A Matter of Life and Death, simply because the mix is too hot and the music sounds muddy and the melodies buried.  Ugh, that is so frustrating. Feels like there is a lot of good stuff on there, but the music just isn't able to breathe.  :censored :censored
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 07, 2021, 01:20:23 AM
Why 'Sea Of Madness' is so awesome
https://youtu.be/nkH1FNvrGfE
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 07, 2021, 02:32:15 AM
And then there is A Matter of Life and Death, which is just tremendous.  Easily their best of the 00s albums, IMO.
I love to quote a correct opinion.  :tup

I also have a feeling that, if you liked the production on AMOLAD, maybe you will not be too thrilled about the way the last two albums sound. AMOLAD felt raw, but the last two albums actually sound raw.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on October 07, 2021, 05:36:46 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

The Longest Day is one I don't see mentioned too often, but I think it's one of the best of the reunion era. The chorus is one of their catchiest and the one melody in the bridge is so anthemic. Where The Wild Wind Blows and The Talisman are the standouts of TFF, and the title track + intro is a really cool way to open an album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on October 07, 2021, 05:39:37 AM
The highlights for me on TFF is The Talisman and Coming Home.

"Westwards the tiiiiide
Sail by the talismaaaan"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 07, 2021, 05:52:15 AM
Everyone praises The Talisman but I fail to see what's so special about it. I mean it's good, but my standout tracks on FF are Coming Home, Isle Of Avalon and When The Wild Wind Blows.

And I tend to say that BNW is still the best reunion album. But that may well be for the reason that it was a true return to form, after those 90s records and the failed Blaze experiment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2021, 06:10:32 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

BNW is easily Dave's finest hour in terms of songwriting IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2021, 06:12:18 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

The Longest Day is one I don't see mentioned too often, but I think it's one of the best of the reunion era. The chorus is one of their catchiest and the one melody in the bridge is so anthemic. Where The Wild Wind Blows and The Talisman are the standouts of TFF, and the title track + intro is a really cool way to open an album.

I always thought The Longest Day got heaps of mentions. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 07, 2021, 06:12:25 AM
And then there is A Matter of Life and Death, which is just tremendous.  Easily their best of the 00s albums, IMO.
I love to quote a correct opinion.  :tup

I also have a feeling that, if you liked the production on AMOLAD, maybe you will not be too thrilled about the way the last two albums sound. AMOLAD felt raw, but the last two albums actually sound raw.

I will be going into the two newest albums with tempered expectations because of just that.  Two of their last three in my run through (Dance of Death, The Final Frontier) have major sound issues, and if that continues, it will be hard to get a lot of enjoyment out of the last two.  I am not a fan of listening to music where it sounds like it is struggling to breathe and like someone threw a blanket over my speakers.  :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2021, 06:13:21 AM
Everyone praises The Talisman but I fail to see what's so special about it. I mean it's good, but my standout tracks on FF are Coming Home, Isle Of Avalon and When The Wild Wind Blows.

And I tend to say that BNW is still the best reunion album. But that may well be for the reason that it was a true return to form, after those 90s records and the failed Blaze experiment.

The Talisman has become a top 5 Maiden song.  The En Vivo version gave me more appreciation for it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 07, 2021, 06:13:27 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

The Longest Day is one I don't see mentioned too often, but I think it's one of the best of the reunion era. The chorus is one of their catchiest and the one melody in the bridge is so anthemic. Where The Wild Wind Blows and The Talisman are the standouts of TFF, and the title track + intro is a really cool way to open an album.

I will have to listen to Where the Wild Wind Blows on its own, as I know that song is highly regarded, because by the time I got to it when listening to the whole album, I was so aggravated by how poor the album sounded that I was just ready for it to be over.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 07, 2021, 06:15:14 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

BNW is easily Dave's finest hour in terms of songwriting IMO.

Along with The Nomad, I also really like Blood Brothers, the title track and Ghost of the Navigator.  Those were easily my four favorites.  Dream of Mirrors and The Wicker Man are also good. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2021, 06:20:21 AM
Dave wrote Nomad, the title track and the incredible closer.

I've always rated BNW my fav reunion album but TFF may have trumped that now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on October 07, 2021, 06:42:16 AM

Along with The Nomad, I also really like Blood Brothers, the title track and Ghost of the Navigator.  Those were easily my four favorites.  Dream of Mirrors and The Wicker Man are also good.

Dream of Mirrors was an early favorite, but it doesn't rank as high for me now. One one my sleeper favorites of the record is the closer, The Thin Line...great performance from Bruce too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 07, 2021, 06:58:00 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

The Longest Day is one I don't see mentioned too often, but I think it's one of the best of the reunion era. The chorus is one of their catchiest and the one melody in the bridge is so anthemic. Where The Wild Wind Blows and The Talisman are the standouts of TFF, and the title track + intro is a really cool way to open an album.

I will have to listen to Where the Wild Wind Blows on its own, as I know that song is highly regarded, because by the time I got to it when listening to the whole album, I was so aggravated by how poor the album sounded that I was just ready for it to be over.

There are also, as usual, live versions of about half the album (The Final Frontier, El Dorado, Coming Home, The Talisman, When the Wild Wind Blows). These all come on En Vivo!, which you may prefer from a production perspective. And the liveness elevates The Talisman quite a bit, as Kade mentioned.

But unfortunately there are no live versions for Isle of Avalon and Starblind, which are both among their best songs IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 07, 2021, 07:06:42 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

The Longest Day is one I don't see mentioned too often, but I think it's one of the best of the reunion era. The chorus is one of their catchiest and the one melody in the bridge is so anthemic. Where The Wild Wind Blows and The Talisman are the standouts of TFF, and the title track + intro is a really cool way to open an album.

I always thought The Longest Day got heaps of mentions.

The Longest Day is indeed an awesome song, the buildup is great and the chorus is stellar!

When I saw them live playing the whole thing, there's a line that in the studio version is low like all the verses, Bruce instead did scream "the world's alight, the cliff ERUPTS IN FLAMES!!!!", there were no pyros in that tour but he made me imagine them just by his powerful delivery  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on October 07, 2021, 07:19:19 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

BNW is easily Dave's finest hour in terms of songwriting IMO.

Along with The Nomad, I also really like Blood Brothers, the title track and Ghost of the Navigator.  Those were easily my four favorites.  Dream of Mirrors and The Wicker Man are also good.

What about the 2nd half of Thin Line? Some beautiful melodies in there.

Yes the sound of these albums is often trash which is a Steve Harris decision unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on October 07, 2021, 08:06:18 AM

What about the 2nd half of Thin Line? Some beautiful melodies in there.


So very true - the quiet section around 5:15 sounds like Parallels-era Fates Warning to me...even the way Bruce sings. So good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 07, 2021, 08:43:00 AM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

The Longest Day is one I don't see mentioned too often, but I think it's one of the best of the reunion era. The chorus is one of their catchiest and the one melody in the bridge is so anthemic. Where The Wild Wind Blows and The Talisman are the standouts of TFF, and the title track + intro is a really cool way to open an album.

I will have to listen to Where the Wild Wind Blows on its own, as I know that song is highly regarded, because by the time I got to it when listening to the whole album, I was so aggravated by how poor the album sounded that I was just ready for it to be over.

There are also, as usual, live versions of about half the album (The Final Frontier, El Dorado, Coming Home, The Talisman, When the Wild Wind Blows). These all come on En Vivo!, which you may prefer from a production perspective. And the liveness elevates The Talisman quite a bit, as Kade mentioned.

En Vivo! is by far my favorite live album from them.  I absolutely LOVE what they did with When the Wild Wind Blows on that one.  Overall, it really isn't all that different.  But when the verse turns darker and heavier, the riff sounds so much heavier and more sinister on the live version.  And the way they play with the tempo creates a lot more tension, IMO. 

When I was first getting into the band during the TFF album cycle, a former user here made a statement that En Vivo! was the "definitive" live Maiden album.  I pushed back hard on that at first and wondered how you could say that about a live production so late in a band's career that features so much new material, when the band who had so much history and so much "classic" material.  But after watching it, I agreed with him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 07, 2021, 09:32:57 AM
En Vivo is great.  It's amazing quality too on blu-ray.  The large crowd is wild too so it adds to the energy of the show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 07, 2021, 09:33:39 AM
The large crowd is wild too so it adds to the energy of the show.

Absolutely.  The crowd is like a 7th member of the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 07, 2021, 09:49:28 AM
The large crowd is wild too so it adds to the energy of the show.

Absolutely.  The crowd is like a 7th member of the band.
especially on any live album in South America, but Rock In Rio would be that times 100 or something.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 07, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
The large crowd is wild too so it adds to the energy of the show.

Absolutely.  The crowd is like a 7th member of the band.
especially on any live album in South America, but Rock In Rio would be that times 100 or something.

If Rock in Rio had better editing, it would be the quintessential live video IMO, but because it's terrible, I think this becomes very debatable.  Flight 666 is what I watch the most, but it's not a single concert.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 07, 2021, 05:07:44 PM
I will circle back to The Thin Line Between Love and Hate here soon, as that is one I thought was good, not great, but had major potential to be a grower. I just need to give it more listens. Will be a lot easier to revisit a lot of this stuff once we finish  everything. Three to go, although technically two since I do not plan on giving The Final Frontier (which we will review tomorrow) any more attention at this time. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2021, 05:27:27 PM

What about the 2nd half of Thin Line? Some beautiful melodies in there.


So very true - the quiet section around 5:15 sounds like Parallels-era Fates Warning to me...even the way Bruce sings. So good.

Great section.




Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

The Nomad is a great tune and it was the one to first grab me on BNW.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 07, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
Okay, I checked out the live version of When the Wild Wind Blows from the En Vivo! live album.  Ah yes, there is that great song I knew was in there, but buried in the studio mix!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zoom E on October 07, 2021, 06:57:54 PM
I agree with Kev on the production of TFF ruining the album. I think the production on Senjutsu, while not great, is not quite so smothering and I’m enjoying it so much more than TFF.

My ranking of the reunion albums

Brave New World
A Matter of Life and Death
Dance of Death
The Final Frontier
Book of Souls

I'm not sure where Senjutsu will end up in my ranking, but I think it will be in the top 3.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2021, 07:18:26 PM
I've never even considered that The Final Frontier sounded bad. I was not aware that it did..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2021, 07:31:22 PM
I've never even considered that The Final Frontier sounded bad. I was not aware that it did..

When it came out I thought it was absolutely atrocious.  These days it's not as bad as I thought back then, but it's still not great IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2021, 07:34:22 PM
The highlights for me on TFF is The Talisman and Coming Home.

These are my two favorite tracks of the Reunion Era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zoom E on October 07, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
I've never even considered that The Final Frontier sounded bad. I was not aware that it did..

When it came out I thought it was absolutely atrocious.  These days it's not as bad as I thought back then, but it's still not great IMO.

People do hear things differently. I read something a while ago about how our left and right ears process sounds differently. I have some hearing loss in my left ear (thanks Exodus!) and that apparently changes how the brain processes sound as well. That might explain why
some people perceive the production to be poor, while to others it sounds fine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2021, 07:55:08 PM
I've never even considered that The Final Frontier sounded bad. I was not aware that it did..

When it came out I thought it was absolutely atrocious.  These days it's not as bad as I thought back then, but it's still not great IMO.

People do hear things differently. I read something a while ago about how our left and right ears process sounds differently. I have some hearing loss in my left ear (thanks Exodus!) and that apparently changes how the brain processes sound as well. That might explain why
some people perceive the production to be poor, while to others it sounds fine.

yeah fair.  As I said, I remember hating it at the start, but I have no issues with it now, funny one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 08, 2021, 12:23:28 AM
While TFF certainly hasn't the best of sound, it didn't bother me personally and never kept me from enjoying it mightily.

But I think it's true that everyone hears those things differently, good sound and good production is very subjective imo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 08, 2021, 03:19:57 AM
I'm not an expert when it comes to sound production, but I know what appeals to me. AMOLAD was so crisp and powerful that TFF immediately paled in comparison. It sounds slightly muddier.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on October 08, 2021, 04:54:27 AM

[...] And the way they play with the tempo creates a lot more tension, IMO. 

[...]

I'd really like to emphasize how Iron Maiden works well with this (particularly Nicko, but the whole band follows him as well).

Take The Longest Day for instance: they drop from around 120 BPM in the bridge to around 100 BPM in the chorus (roughly) and the effect is just soooo good! It's one of those things where I have to give it to them about respecting the energy of a live band playing and recording together vs. each musician recording their parts separately.

Sometimes that approach may have lead to some sloppy parts here and there (I think TBOS is a bit guilty in this regard, where it sounds like they could've spent a little while longer on nailing things in songs like Speed of Light or even Death or Glory), but when it works, it's part of why they sound so fresh and "alive".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2021, 06:15:54 AM
I've never even considered that The Final Frontier sounded bad. I was not aware that it did..

When it came out I thought it was absolutely atrocious.  These days it's not as bad as I thought back then, but it's still not great IMO.

Honestly, I think many are so used to the sound and mixes of albums of the 21st century that they just subconsciously accept it now and judge it on the "it sounds good by today's standards" scale, even if sometimes it really doesn't.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 08, 2021, 08:37:24 AM
I've never even considered that The Final Frontier sounded bad. I was not aware that it did..

Same here.  I mean, Satellite 15 definitely has some wonky things going on in that department, but that is somewhat purposeful.  But once TFF kicks in, the album sounds pretty "normal" to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 08, 2021, 08:49:16 AM
TFF was one of the first albums I listened to intently, so I don't think I can fairly judge how it sounds, but I've never had a problem with it. The only Maiden albums with production issues that really stand out to me are TXF and VXI, which just don't sound as powerful as they should be, and DoD, which is brickwalled. But even those albums I've gotten used to over time and barely notice the issues of anymore. I was listening to Virtual XI the other day (still awesome) and was surprised at how unbothered I was by the production.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on October 08, 2021, 09:59:30 AM

[...] And the way they play with the tempo creates a lot more tension, IMO. 

[...]

I'd really like to emphasize how Iron Maiden works well with this (particularly Nicko, but the whole band follows him as well).
Absolutely!

That's one of the things that made me become interested in the band when I was 14. A friend lent me his Edward The Great CD, and I couldn't believe how they kept changing the tempo/time signature in "Fear Of The Dark" live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 08, 2021, 11:33:55 AM

[...] And the way they play with the tempo creates a lot more tension, IMO. 

[...]

I'd really like to emphasize how Iron Maiden works well with this (particularly Nicko, but the whole band follows him as well).

Take The Longest Day for instance: they drop from around 120 BPM in the bridge to around 100 BPM in the chorus (roughly) and the effect is just soooo good! It's one of those things where I have to give it to them about respecting the energy of a live band playing and recording together vs. each musician recording their parts separately.

Totally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on October 08, 2021, 01:50:38 PM
^^

I know these guys don't use a click track when recording.  :tup   Allows the music to actually breathe and not sound like robotic sterile shit.

[edit: And yeah.. Fuck modern production  :tdwn ]
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2021, 03:45:27 PM
The Book of Souls will take a few more spins, but the first one was positive.  Empire of the Clouds was something else.  :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on October 08, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
The Book of Souls will take a few more spins, but the first one was positive.  Empire of the Clouds was something else.  :coolio :coolio

I don't know exactly what songs are in my Maiden's Top 10, but I know that Empire is there for sure! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 08, 2021, 04:23:03 PM
Empire of the Clouds is perfect subject matter, is really different for Bruce/Maiden and has great lyrics. With a bit of an edit/rework and decent production it would be amazing.

Just imagine how good the Brucey solo album would have been with EOTC and If Eternity Should Fail with Roy Z producing.  :o
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Skeever on October 08, 2021, 05:04:14 PM
If there are any songs on The Final Frontier as good as These Colours Don't Run, The Legacy, For the Greater Good of God or The Longest Day, I'll be pleased. 

Going back to the BNW, The Nomad is stellar.

The Longest Day is one I don't see mentioned too often, but I think it's one of the best of the reunion era. The chorus is one of their catchiest and the one melody in the bridge is so anthemic. Where The Wild Wind Blows and The Talisman are the standouts of TFF, and the title track + intro is a really cool way to open an album.

I will have to listen to Where the Wild Wind Blows on its own, as I know that song is highly regarded, because by the time I got to it when listening to the whole album, I was so aggravated by how poor the album sounded that I was just ready for it to be over.

There are also, as usual, live versions of about half the album (The Final Frontier, El Dorado, Coming Home, The Talisman, When the Wild Wind Blows). These all come on En Vivo!, which you may prefer from a production perspective. And the liveness elevates The Talisman quite a bit, as Kade mentioned.

En Vivo! is by far my favorite live album from them.  I absolutely LOVE what they did with When the Wild Wind Blows on that one.  Overall, it really isn't all that different.  But when the verse turns darker and heavier, the riff sounds so much heavier and more sinister on the live version.  And the way they play with the tempo creates a lot more tension, IMO. 

When I was first getting into the band during the TFF album cycle, a former user here made a statement that En Vivo! was the "definitive" live Maiden album.  I pushed back hard on that at first and wondered how you could say that about a live production so late in a band's career that features so much new material, when the band who had so much history and so much "classic" material.  But after watching it, I agreed with him.

I totally agree with this. For a band as late in their career to have a release like En Vivo feels truly special. The setlist is very representative of their career, the audio and performances are superb, and the visual is also fantastic. If there is one complaint to be had, it's that the guitar solos are improvised a little bit too far from there the original versions in some places, but this is only something I've noticed over time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 08, 2021, 06:07:14 PM
Empire of the Clouds is perfect subject matter, is really different for Bruce/Maiden and has great lyrics. With a bit of an edit/rework and decent production it would be amazing.

Just imagine how good the Brucey solo album would have been with EOTC and If Eternity Should Fail with Roy Z producing.  :o

If the solo album ever happens, I still wish IESF opens the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 08, 2021, 06:42:38 PM
The Book of Souls will take a few more spins, but the first one was positive.  Empire of the Clouds was something else.  :coolio :coolio

Kev, you're motoring through these at a pretty good clip.

Empire is indeed amazing, as is the title track and The Red And The Black. To me, those are the three standouts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2021, 07:18:37 PM
Due to length, we were doing one album a day during the week, but with these newer albums being longer, we are doing one every other day, so our review for The Book of Souls is not till Sunday, so I have time to digest it a little more, and I am still revisiting a few of the new albums and a handful of the live versions from that era.  Once we are through everything, I am sure I will revisit much of it randomly and find new songs that didn't grab me right away and whatnot, the exceptions of course being the last two 90s albums, neither of which I will listen to again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on October 08, 2021, 07:30:43 PM
En Vivo! is by far my favorite live album from them.

Are you referring to the video, or audio, or both?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 09, 2021, 12:54:21 AM
Caved and picked up the book edition.  Actually saw 2 of the boxsets in-store today too but don't think I can justify $210.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 09, 2021, 08:20:27 AM
Caved and picked up the book edition.  Actually saw 2 of the boxsets in-store today too but don't think I can justify $210.

The box itself is quite nice - well, as boxes go - but the assorted gubbins contained within are nowhere near worth the outlay.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 10, 2021, 09:01:38 AM
So, these are where my rankings are..

The Parchment
Hell On Earth
Lost In A Lost World
Darkest Hour
Stratego
Writing On The Wall
Death Of The Celts
The Time Machine
Days Of Future Past
Shenjutsu
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on October 10, 2021, 09:17:45 AM
So, these are where my rankings are..

The Parchment
Hell On Earth
Lost In A Lost World
Darkest Hour
Stratego
Writing On The Wall
Death Of The Celts
The Time Machine
Days Of Future Past
Shenjutsu

I still can't believe how strong this album is. My top 2 would match yours with Hell On Earth and The Parchment switched, and every other song could potentially be in the number 3 spot depending on my mood that day.

Today I'd go with:

Hell On Earth
The Parchment
The Time Machine
Days Of Future Past
Lost In A Lost World
Stratego
Darkest Hour
Death Of The Celts
Writing On The Wall
Senjutsu

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 11, 2021, 09:10:17 AM
En Vivo! is by far my favorite live album from them.

Are you referring to the video, or audio, or both?

I don't have the audio only version, just DVD.  My Maiden introduction was right around the release of En Vivo!  I remember seeing it all over the place at the time.  But since the Maiden catalog is so big, I spent several months collecting albums and getting up to speed (I would buy one or two at a time, listen to it/them for awhile, and then go back for more).  I wasn't really in a rush to get any particular thing, and the En Vivo! CD version was low on the list since I had the DVD already and there was so much other stuff to explore.  Then for some reason, once they released Maiden England, the CD version of En Vivo! all but disappeared from the local music shops.  It's almost like they just stopped printing it once the next live album came out.  Even on Amazon, it shows as "unavailable."  https://www.amazon.com/Iron-Maiden-En-Vivo-Music/dp/B00PBNY5A2/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=iron+maiden+en+vivo&qid=1633964946&sr=8-4

If I really wanted it, I'm sure I could track down a copy.  But as much a I like it, I just haven't made it a priority.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 11, 2021, 07:27:44 PM
The new album is a real struggle. Gave it a few spins and there are moments I like, but I don't like the sound at all (more brickwalled to the max crap), and the keys on this one sound too high and screechy.  They usually do a good job of using keys that kind of melt into their sound, but the ones here grate a bit too much.  Bummer if this journey ends on a down note, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 11, 2021, 11:59:10 PM

Even on Amazon, it shows as "unavailable."

I just bought a copy (on you're recommendation) through Amazon UK, seem to be stocked quite well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on October 12, 2021, 09:14:32 AM
The new album is a real struggle. Gave it a few spins and there are moments I like, but I don't like the sound at all (more brickwalled to the max crap), and the keys on this one sound too high and screechy.  They usually do a good job of using keys that kind of melt into their sound, but the ones here grate a bit too much.  Bummer if this journey ends on a down note, but it is what it is.

Yeah it's a bummer after all the hype. Funny thing is if you play it at 1.25 speed on YouTube it sounds like IRON MAIDEN albeit still muddy. Anyway, looking forward to your Top 10 songs/albums list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 06:34:30 PM
I cannot imagine coming up with a favorite songs list to put in order, but I might take a crack at a list of 20-25 in no specific order.

When it comes to albums, I can safely say right now that my top 5 is:

Powerslave
Somewhere in Time
A Matter of Life and Death
The Number of the Beast
Piece of Mind
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 06:46:57 PM
I cannot imagine coming up with a favorite songs list to put in order, but I might take a crack at a list of 20-25 in no specific order.

When it comes to albums, I can safely say right now that my top 5 is:

Powerslave
Somewhere in Time
A Matter of Life and Death
The Nature of the Beast
Piece of Mind


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8b/The_Nature_of_the_Beast_%28April_Wine_album_cover%29.png/220px-The_Nature_of_the_Beast_%28April_Wine_album_cover%29.png)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 06:51:12 PM
Damn it.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 12, 2021, 06:52:14 PM
 :rollin your top 3 is similar to mine
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 06:53:15 PM
Kev, I give you credit for getting through the entire discog. There's a lot to chew on, especially the Reunion Era where the albums are basically twice as long as their 80's counterparts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 06:53:46 PM
I am actually quite fond of the first two as well.  I feared I wouldn't revisit them much, but I am listening to both almost as much as the ones in my top 5 so far.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 06:55:24 PM
Kev, I give you credit for getting through the entire discog. There's a lot to chew on, especially the Reunion Era where the albums are basically twice as long as their 80's counterparts.

Some of those later albums were definitely a chore. :lol

It helps that I haven't been quite as crazy busy at work, so I had time to listen to some on the ear buds during downtime and then blast them on the big stereo in the evenings.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 07:00:00 PM
Their last 4 albums have like 4 or 5 songs at 10 min or so. Even as a lifelong fan, these albums haven't necessarily been immediate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 07:12:00 PM
For sure. 

I will say, too, that while I am still not sold on Hallowed Be Thy Name being a top tier Maiden song, it has gotten better for me.  Not saying the light bulb has totally came on, but it is flickering. ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 07:14:38 PM
Hallowed Be Thy Name is my second all time favorite song after learning To Live.

I know you mentioned that you couldn't do a top 20, which is totally understandable, but is there a handful of songs that did stand out for you?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 07:22:06 PM
Found these in a store over the weekend!


(https://i.imgur.com/ZuceEu0.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 07:25:06 PM
Hallowed Be Thy Name is my second all time favorite song after learning To Live.

I know you mentioned that you couldn't do a top 20, which is totally understandable, but is there a handful of songs that did stand out for you?

I will spitball a top 20-25 list while eyeballing the discography...

Prowler
Phantom of the Opera
Killers
Prodigal Son
The Prisoner (this one went from just okay to great for me)
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Where Eagles Die
Revelations
The Duellists
Powerslave
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Caught Somewhere in Time
Sea of Madness
Alexander the Great
Moonchild
Paschendale
Journeyman (live version from Death on the Road)
These Colors Don't Run
The Longest Day
The Greater Good of God
The Legacy
Coming Home
Starblind
Where the Wild Wind Blows (live version from En Vivo!)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 12, 2021, 07:26:16 PM
Hallowed is my all time favorite song, but maybe you got to go and see it live for it to truly click.  I'm kind of amused by the fact I saw the tour they didn't play it because of a lawsuit  :lol It's really the ONLY song I'd say IM should always play live

Regardless, I'm sure reading about the band before listening plays a role so sometimes the most liked song doesn't click because you expected so much from it.

Found these in a store over the weekend!

Never saw that beer before  :yarr
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Never saw that beer before  :yarr

The bottlecap is awesome!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
Hallowed Be Thy Name is my second all time favorite song after learning To Live.

I know you mentioned that you couldn't do a top 20, which is totally understandable, but is there a handful of songs that did stand out for you?

I will spitball a top 20-25 list while eyeballing the discography...

Prowler
Phantom of the Opera
Killers
Prodigal Son
The Prisoner (this one went from just okay to great for me)
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Where Eagles Die
Revelations
The Duellists
Powerslave
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Caught Somewhere in Time
Sea of Madness
Alexander the Great
Moonchild
Paschendale
Journeyman (live version from Death on the Road)
These Colors Don't Run
The Longest Day
The Greater Good of God
The Legacy
Coming Home
Starblind
Where the Wild Wind Blows (live version from En Vivo!)

Some great tunes in there!  :metal
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Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 07:30:54 PM
Hallowed Be Thy Name is my second all time favorite song after learning To Live.

I know you mentioned that you couldn't do a top 20, which is totally understandable, but is there a handful of songs that did stand out for you?

I will spitball a top 20-25 list while eyeballing the discography...

Prowler
Phantom of the Opera
Killers
Prodigal Son
The Prisoner (this one went from just okay to great for me)
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Where Eagles Die
Revelations
The Duellists
Powerslave
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Caught Somewhere in Time
Sea of Madness
Alexander the Great
Moonchild
Paschendale
Journeyman (live version from Death on the Road)
These Colors Don't Run
The Longest Day
The Greater Good of God
The Legacy
Coming Home
Starblind
Where the Wild Wind Blows (live version from En Vivo!)

Some great tunes in there!  :metal

Ask me in two days and half of them might change. :lol

Although a few will not go anywhere (Powerslave, Alexander the Great, For the Greater Good of God, The Number of the Beast, etc.).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 07:33:12 PM
For The Greater Good Of God is my 3rd favorite of the Reunion Era behind The Talisman and Coming Home. Although The Parchment is knocking on its door.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 07:35:25 PM
I suspect a few songs from the last two albums will be more to my liking once I give them more listens.  I do like Empire of the Clouds a ton, but that feels like one of those really long songs that I will only need to hear once in a while, not one I will want to hear all the time.

The live version of Dance of Death from En Vivo! is pretty great as well. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 12, 2021, 07:42:51 PM
Hallowed might not crack my top 20 based on the album version (not that there's anything "bad" about the album version--there isn't).  But it is such a great live song that that takes it over the top for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 12, 2021, 07:51:14 PM
Hallowed Be Thy Name is my second all time favorite song after learning To Live.

I know you mentioned that you couldn't do a top 20, which is totally understandable, but is there a handful of songs that did stand out for you?

I will spitball a top 20-25 list while eyeballing the discography...

Prowler
Phantom of the Opera
Killers
Prodigal Son
The Prisoner (this one went from just okay to great for me)
The Number of the Beast
Run to the Hills
Where Eagles Die
Revelations
The Duellists
Powerslave
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Caught Somewhere in Time
Sea of Madness
Alexander the Great
Moonchild
Paschendale
Journeyman (live version from Death on the Road)
These Colors Don't Run
The Longest Day
The Greater Good of God
The Legacy
Coming Home
Starblind
Where the Wild Wind Blows (live version from En Vivo!)

This is an awesome list. I was a bit disappointed by your initial reaction to TFF, but seeing Starblind and Wild Wind on here makes up for that. :heart

Paschendale is the greatest, so it's wonderful to see it here, and you made some awesome picks from AMOLAD, SiT and PoM. Probably the top songs I would have chosen from each of those albums with the exception that I would put Stranger in a Strange Land a smidge above Sea of Madness.

Hallowed... is still a top 20 Iron Maiden song for me, but I probably wouldn't put it as high as I did on my list from a couple of years ago (I put it at #2). In my recent revisiting of their discography, I've really gone in even more for the proggier stuff, and while Hallowed is a wonderful early instance of that, I think there's deeper stuff later in their career. Still a great song, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 07:54:07 PM


This is an awesome list. I was a bit disappointed by your initial reaction to TFF, but seeing Starblind and Wild Wind on here makes up for that. :heart

Paschendale is the greatest, so it's wonderful to see it here, and you made some awesome picks from AMOLAD, SiT and PoM. Probably the top songs I would have chosen from each of those albums with the exception that I would put Stranger in a Strange Land a smidge above Sea of Madness.

Hallowed... is still a top 20 Iron Maiden song for me, but I probably wouldn't put it as high as I did on my list from a couple of years ago (I put it at #2). In my recent revisiting of their discography, I've really gone in even more for the proggier stuff, and while Hallowed is a wonderful early instance of that, I think there's deeper stuff later in their career. Still a great song, though.

Sea of Madness was similar to The Prisoner for me in that it went from me an okay deep cut to a favorite seemingly over night.

Despite my initial quibbles with the sound of The Final Frontier, and it is still a little irritating, the songs are there.  The Man Who Would Be King and Isle of Avalon are really good ones that didn't make my list above.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 07:56:18 PM

Despite my initial quibbles with the sound of The Final Frontier, and it is still a little irritating, the songs are there.  The Man Who Would Be King and Isle of Avalon are really good ones that didn't make my list above.

An amazing album. It's my favorite of the Reunion era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 07:59:23 PM

Despite my initial quibbles with the sound of The Final Frontier, and it is still a little irritating, the songs are there.  The Man Who Would Be King and Isle of Avalon are really good ones that didn't make my list above.

An amazing album. It's my favorite of the Reunion era.

Brave New World didn't get any love in my list, but there are a handful of damn fine tunes on that one. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 08:01:26 PM

Despite my initial quibbles with the sound of The Final Frontier, and it is still a little irritating, the songs are there.  The Man Who Would Be King and Isle of Avalon are really good ones that didn't make my list above.

An amazing album. It's my favorite of the Reunion era.

Brave New World didn't get any love in my list, but there are a handful of damn fine tunes on that one.


Yeah, there are. It's loaded with great tunes. The Nomad and The Thin Line are the two standouts for me, but the Death On The Road version of Brave New World and the En Vivo version of Blood Brothers launch both tracks into the stratosphere.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2021, 08:07:53 PM



Yeah, there are. It's loaded with great tunes. The Nomad and The Thin Line are the two standouts for me, but the Death On The Road version of Brave New World and the En Vivo version of Blood Brothers launch both tracks into the stratosphere.

Yep, The Nomad is a major standout, along with Ghost of the Navigator and Blood Brothers.  The Thin Line... is still one that is iffy for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 12, 2021, 08:15:43 PM
For The Greater Good Of God is my 3rd favorite of the Reunion Era behind The Talisman and Coming Home. Although The Parchment is knocking on its door.

The Parchment might crack my all time Maiden top 5.  I can't get enough of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2021, 08:19:08 PM
Yeah, I have some developing opinions on my Iron Maiden rankings. I'm going to mull it over a bit more, but suffice to say, the Reunion Era is crushing it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 12, 2021, 09:07:20 PM
Yeah, I have some developing opinions on my Iron Maiden rankings. I'm going to mull it over a bit more, but suffice to say, the Reunion Era is crushing it.

Hell on Earth probably slips in my top 10.  These two songs are extrodinary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 13, 2021, 12:21:22 AM

Despite my initial quibbles with the sound of The Final Frontier, and it is still a little irritating, the songs are there.  The Man Who Would Be King and Isle of Avalon are really good ones that didn't make my list above.

An amazing album. It's my favorite of the Reunion era.

Brave New World didn't get any love in my list, but there are a handful of damn fine tunes on that one.


Yeah, there are. It's loaded with great tunes. The Nomad and The Thin Line are the two standouts for me, but the Death On The Road version of Brave New World and the En Vivo version of Blood Brothers launch both tracks into the stratosphere.

Hmmm....Ill have to revisit the DOTR version of BNW then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 13, 2021, 02:30:51 AM
Part Two:

Somewhere in Time I love this album, this was the first new Iron Maiden album released after I became a fan. I’ve always loved those “cul-de-sac” albums that some bands have released, where they experiment with a slightly different direction and then chose not to take that path, and this is probably the ultimate cul-de-sac album, coming as it does between the two high-points in the band’s career. I also love the way the album has a definite sequencing – both sides open and close with a Steve Haris epic, with two more commercial tracks in between. You can play side 2 first, then side 1, and the album stilll has exactly the same flow. Wasted Years is unlike anything I’d ever heard before, Sea of Madness is brilliant, and Heaven Can Wait an all-time classic, I really don’t understand people who don’t love this song, before ‘Arry wrote Fear of the Dark this was the big sing-along anthem at shows. Stranger in a Strange Land is one of my favourite Maiden songs of all time, and Alexanader the Great manages to recreate something of To Tame A Land without repeating it. The other big Harris tunes are good enough in isolation, but with 4 epics on the album, they do tend to sound a bit much of a muchness.

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son The 80s tinny production does it no favours, but this is still Maiden’s best album. Every track is a scorcher, including The Prophecy, which I still love. The intro to Moonchild still manages to send chills up my spine and get my fist punching the air, Infinite Dreams is the point at which Harris abandons any pretence at verse-chorus song structure, the singles are sing-along classics, and the ending of the title track, with the second half being instrumental, is one of Maiden’s greatest and most under-appreciated moments. Even after all these years I can still sing along with every word, every note. I love it.
Note: I’m listening to the 1998 EMI remasters, and this is the first album I’ve had a problem with – the remastering is brickwalled to death and is truly, truly horrible, it’s a screech of clipped cymbals and actively hurt my ears. I wish I’d still got the original 1988 CD to compare it to. I note the booklet doesn’t include any remastering credits, all the albums so far have, but after this they don’t. This version is all but unlistenable - Does anyone know if the new remaster is any better?

No Prayer for the Dying Oh dear. I understand the band’s desire to go back to a more basic sound, but they don’t quite manage it, and let’s be honest, the songs aren’t there, with too much juvenile humour sneaking into the lyrics. Fates Warning is the worst Maiden song to date, truly, truly terrible, but apart from that there’s nothing particularly bad on here, just nothing that good either, most of it is simply turgid. That said, the band is on top form throughout, with Bruce especially giving it 100% even on the duff tunes. The best stuff is on side 2, The Assassin is a pleasant surprise, with Jannick Gers’ scratchy guitars offering something new and different. Hooks In You is probably the best of the commercial songs, and really shows how the band would miss Adrian Smith as a songwriter. I really, really wanted to hate Bring Your Daughter…To The Slaughter, but I couldn’t, it is enormous fun, and I loved every minute of it. Still, this is a contender for Maiden’s weakest album, and coming straight after their best makes it even more disappointing.

Fear of the Dark The received wisdom on this album is that the first and last songs are great, but everything inbetween is filler. That’s not far from the truth. The album has a big, open sound, and is well mixed, but the advent of the CD age meant that albums were getting longer, and yet again Maiden lacked quality material. A shorter album would definitely have helped. Be Quick or Be Dead is a great opener, Afraid to Shoot Strangers is a classic, but Bruce sounds like he’s going through the motions, Blaze always sang this one so much better. I’ve always liked Fear is the Key, with its odd little Zeppelin-style interlude, a real highlight of the album for me. Wasted Love sounds great, but the song itself isn’t good enough to be the big power ballad hit I guess they were hoping for, they should have gotten Dianne Warren to write something for them instead. Biggest surprise was The Apparition, I loved this one! Biggest disappointment was Weekend Warrior, a truly awful track that shouldn’t have made it onto a B-side, let alone an album track. The title song is a classic, of course, but I’d never realised the recorded version was so fast. Overall, the album has a lot of contrasting styles on it, which doesn’t always work and leaves the whole thing feeling a bit directionless. I actually enjoyed it less than NPFTD, although it is probably marginally a better album. Still can’t believe how much Weekend Warrior sucks though.

So bye-bye Bruce. Next up, Part Three, and enter Blaze…
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on October 13, 2021, 05:56:24 AM



Yeah, there are. It's loaded with great tunes. The Nomad and The Thin Line are the two standouts for me, but the Death On The Road version of Brave New World and the En Vivo version of Blood Brothers launch both tracks into the stratosphere.

Yep, The Nomad is a major standout, along with Ghost of the Navigator and Blood Brothers.  The Thin Line... is still one that is iffy for me.

I always thought Out Of The Silent Planet was a really good one from BNW that doesn't get a lot of mention. Dream Of Mirrors would be fantastic too if the middle didn't go on endlessly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 13, 2021, 07:36:17 AM
For The Greater Good Of God is my 3rd favorite of the Reunion Era behind The Talisman and Coming Home. Although The Parchment is knocking on its door.

The Parchment might crack my all time Maiden top 5.  I can't get enough of it.

Hmmm... while I agree with your thoughts on Hell On Earth below The Parchment is one of the three songs on this that I just can't quite love like most the rest the album? :-\

ETA Actually it's your thoughts on Hell On Earth ABOVE now I've posted this right? Weird... :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2021, 07:54:23 AM
Dream Of Mirrors would be fantastic too if the middle didn't go on endlessly.

This. How many times can he sing "I only dream in black and white"?

I generally don't jump on the repeated lines wagon, though I do understand it. And Dream Of Mirrors is the one song for me that suffers. It's too bad because there's a huge song here that just doesn't get there for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 13, 2021, 08:38:02 AM
Dream Of Mirrors would be fantastic too if the middle didn't go on endlessly.

This. How many times can he sing "I only dream in black and white"?

I generally don't jump on the repeated lines wagon, though I do understand it. And Dream Of Mirrors is the one song for me that suffers. It's too bad because there's a huge song here that just doesn't get there for me.

Funny, because I will admit that I looked at the Maiden survivor polls here from like 5-6 years ago as useful guides (as knowing what are supposedly the better songs helps me a little when going in blind to a new album), and I saw that Dream of Mirrors finished 2nd for BNW and The Nomad finished 6th, but when I listened, I was like, "What?? The Nomad is way better!!!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 13, 2021, 08:40:13 AM
I'd say I like Dream of Mirrors more than The Nomad.  When I first heard DoM (from RiR) I was floored.  I'd say it doesn't rank as high as most of the other IM epics, but still a bit higher than The Nomad for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2021, 08:40:59 AM
I'd say I like Dream of Mirrors more than The Nomad.  When I first heard DoM (from RiR) I was floored.  I'd say it doesn't rank as high as most of the other IM epics, but still a bit higher than The Nomad for me.

I like the live version of DoM a lot more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on October 13, 2021, 12:49:30 PM
Dream of Mirrors is awesome! :tup

I have been listening to "Senjutsu" way more than The Book of Souls already. Senjutsu does have some tracks that I could skip outright, but the ratio of good songs far outweighs the less than great songs.

I am surprised that Harris managed to come up with 4 pretty great epics, with "Hell on Earth" being easily one of the best reunion era songs! I love everything about that song, everything except the lack of a second chorus.. :P

The intro melody is really beautiful!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 13, 2021, 01:32:24 PM

I am surprised that Harris managed to come up with 4 pretty great epics, with "Hell on Earth" being easily one of the best reunion era songs! I love everything about that song, everything except the lack of a second chorus.. :P


Amen!  :biggrin:

It should have come at the end, after the "live in anger" part, when the song is about to wind down, there should have been a reprise of the chorus to end the song, and the album, in a bombastic way....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 13, 2021, 01:47:37 PM
DOM is cool.  Love the galloping middle section.  The double time chorus lines in that section do sound a little cheesy but I don't mind it.  I love the guitar melody in that part almost shifting backwards and forwards from E minor to D minor.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on October 13, 2021, 03:59:18 PM
Been spinning Senjutsu a few times now and overall I think it's quite solid. Is anyone else getting some Blaze era vibes from the last couple of songs? Death of the Celts feels a bit like Sign of the Cross mixed with Clansman (2 of my favorite Maiden songs) and the songs after it also have a bit of that Blaze era sound to it. I mean that in a good way though. It's kinda nice to hear some parts that feels like nods to songs/albums that weren't as high regarded as others, but the band is still paying homage to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 13, 2021, 04:00:46 PM
There's been a lot of comparisons with TXF.  I didn't hear it at first but Celts is a definite Clansman sequel and LIALW has strong X Factor vibes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 13, 2021, 05:35:41 PM
To be clear, I like Dream of Mirrors; I just like The Nomad more.  :hat :hat

I might take Blood Brothers over both, however.  :biggrin:

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 13, 2021, 05:56:40 PM
Blood Brothers became much more appreciated from me when I saw them play it live on TBOS tour.  It was phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on October 13, 2021, 07:05:18 PM
The melody at 0:17 in Blood Brothers is probably one of the most beautiful melodies I’ve ever heard. Wonderful song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 13, 2021, 07:07:03 PM
There's been a lot of comparisons with TXF.  I didn't hear it at first but Celts is a definite Clansman sequel and LIALW has strong X Factor vibes.

I still kind of think the Celts/Clansman comparison is a bit overblown by some, but I do think Celts and Parchment in particular are playing out certain elements of the Blaze-era-style. And now that you name the comparison, of course LIALW is X Factory—can't believe I didn't think of it before. Also nice to see that Steve acknowledged Blaze in the liner notes.


Funny, because I will admit that I looked at the Maiden survivor polls here from like 5-6 years ago as useful guides (as knowing what are supposedly the better songs helps me a little when going in blind to a new album), and I saw that Dream of Mirrors finished 2nd for BNW and The Nomad finished 6th, but when I listened, I was like, "What?? The Nomad is way better!!!"

I think 5-6 years ago I would have put Dream of Mirrors ahead of The Nomad, but I'm not sure I would anymore. When I did my top 50 a year or two ago, I think I had them in adjacent spots, with The Nomad ahead.


I always thought Out Of The Silent Planet was a really good one from BNW that doesn't get a lot of mention. Dream Of Mirrors would be fantastic too if the middle didn't go on endlessly.

I love Out of the Silent Planet. I definitely think it deserves more love.

It would be interesting in light of all the recent conversation to rank Brave New World. I think I'd go:

1. Ghost of the Navigator
2. Out of the Silent Planet
3. The Wicker Man
4. The Nomad
5. Dream of Mirrors
6. The Thin Line Between Love and Hate
7. Brave New World
8. Blood Brothers
9. The Fallen Angel
10. The Mercenary

The top five are all top 50 songs for me, and 2-5 are extremely close. 6-8 are also pretty close, and certainly strong songs in their own right. 9 and 10 are just meh songs to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 13, 2021, 07:15:01 PM
Huh, I'll have t read the linear notes but very cool of Steve giving Blaze a shout out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 13, 2021, 07:26:32 PM
The melody at 0:17 in Blood Brothers is probably one of the most beautiful melodies I’ve ever heard. Wonderful song.

Good call. That melody is awesome.

Blood Brothers became much more appreciated from me when I saw them play it live on TBOS tour.  It was phenomenal.

I can imagine.  :hat :hat



I think 5-6 years ago I would have put Dream of Mirrors ahead of The Nomad, but I'm not sure I would anymore. When I did my top 50 a year or two ago, I think I had them in adjacent spots, with The Nomad ahead.


There ya go.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 13, 2021, 07:41:40 PM
Huh, I'll have t read the linear notes but very cool of Steve giving Blaze a shout out.


Two other former members were mentioned as well: Paul Day and Doug Sampson.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2021, 07:44:02 PM
Paul Day? Wow!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 13, 2021, 07:47:12 PM
Was Blaze giving a "thanks for making it clear how detrimental to a band a mediocre singer can be" shout-out? :P :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2021, 07:48:56 PM
C'mon man, it ain't like that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 13, 2021, 07:49:34 PM
Still not much love for The Fallen Angel?

Is a class rocker, easily in my Top5 off BNW
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 13, 2021, 07:55:35 PM
C'mon man, it ain't like that.

Just having a little fun.  :biggrin: (although my dislike for his voice is real)

Still not much love for The Fallen Angel?

Is a class rocker, easily in my Top5 off BNW

Solid tune, but it's just hard for it to stack up considering how many really good one are on that record, if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2021, 08:04:38 PM
Still not much love for The Fallen Angel?

Is a class rocker, easily in my Top5 off BNW


I like Fallen Angel a lot, but I have no idea where I'd put it if I ranked BNW.

Also, I never really cared for The Wicker Man, but it has aged really well.


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 13, 2021, 08:08:55 PM
I always thought The Wicker Man was pretty average also.

Fallen Angels rips.  Heavy AF riff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 14, 2021, 02:22:13 AM
Was Blaze giving a "thanks for making it clear how detrimental to a band a mediocre singer can be" shout-out? :P :P

Blaze was, at the time, an excellent singer and the perfect choice for Maiden's frontman. His only crime was Not Being Bruce Dickinson, and a huge percentage of the fan base just couldn't forgive him for that.

Who should they have given the gig to? Whoever you suggest, I guarantee they weren't available or didn't want the job.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 14, 2021, 02:40:20 AM
Was Blaze giving a "thanks for making it clear how detrimental to a band a mediocre singer can be" shout-out? :P :P

Blaze was, at the time, an excellent singer and the perfect choice for Maiden's frontman. His only crime was Not Being Bruce Dickinson, and a huge percentage of the fan base just couldn't forgive him for that.

Who should they have given the gig to? Whoever you suggest, I guarantee they weren't available or didn't want the job.


Doogie White.

But he wasn't english.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 14, 2021, 03:31:33 AM
And I guarantee you the fans would have found Doogie White just as guilty of Not Being Bruce Dickinson as they found Blaze.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 14, 2021, 03:47:01 AM
Yeah, but he would have sang the phuck out of The Number of the Beast and Run to the Hills  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 14, 2021, 04:20:44 AM
I've always loved Blood brothers, but seeing it as a part of the encore on The Book of souls tour moved it even higher on my list. It was followed by Wasted years as a closer, which in my mind turned out to be the best Iron Maiden encore ever. Moving, powerful, fun.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 14, 2021, 04:22:23 AM
And I guarantee you the fans would have found Doogie White just as guilty of Not Being Bruce Dickinson as they found Blaze.

Plus no one would have understood him talking onstage with his thick Scottish accent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 14, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
Was Blaze giving a "thanks for making it clear how detrimental to a band a mediocre singer can be" shout-out? :P :P

Blaze was, at the time, an excellent singer and the perfect choice for Maiden's frontman. His only crime was Not Being Bruce Dickinson, and a huge percentage of the fan base just couldn't forgive him for that.

Who should they have given the gig to? Whoever you suggest, I guarantee they weren't available or didn't want the job.

If they were able to somehow not play The Trooper or Hallowed and Steve pushed his ego aside and detuned half a step for him, he would have killed it live.  Things may have been different.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2021, 06:13:40 AM
Was Blaze giving a "thanks for making it clear how detrimental to a band a mediocre singer can be" shout-out? :P :P

Blaze was, at the time, an excellent singer and the perfect choice for Maiden's frontman. His only crime was Not Being Bruce Dickinson, and a huge percentage of the fan base just couldn't forgive him for that.

Who should they have given the gig to? Whoever you suggest, I guarantee they weren't available or didn't want the job.

I have no idea who should have gotten the gig, as I was not a fan back then and I have never been knee deep in the metal scene to where I'd know what singers were available at what time, but I just feel that getting someone better than Bayley wouldn't have been difficult.  If he was an excellent singer at the time, the bar for being an excellent singer must be a lot lower than I thought it was.  I listened to both Maiden albums he did twice, and while he had moments where he did a solid job, there were a lot more moments that made me cringe or gave me that "I can't wait for this to be over" feeling.  For as much great stuff as Maiden has done, and I realize it now having just gotten through their whole history, those two albums are a wasteland.  And to be fair, the two early 90s albums with Dickinson weren't a whole lot better, so the band as a whole struggled in the 90s.

And I get that those albums have fans, and fans of them are willing to die on that hill, and pushback will come towards anyone who dares criticize them, but I am just reacting to what I have listened to for the last month.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on October 14, 2021, 06:47:49 AM
So Kev, what stood out to you the most on these original run-throughs? Bruce's vocals? Guitar players? Songwriting?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 14, 2021, 08:15:30 AM
Was Blaze giving a "thanks for making it clear how detrimental to a band a mediocre singer can be" shout-out? :P :P

Blaze was, at the time, an excellent singer and the perfect choice for Maiden's frontman. His only crime was Not Being Bruce Dickinson, and a huge percentage of the fan base just couldn't forgive him for that.

Who should they have given the gig to? Whoever you suggest, I guarantee they weren't available or didn't want the job.

James Labrie!  :biggrin:

If they were able to somehow not play The Trooper or Hallowed and Steve pushed his ego aside and detuned half a step for him, he would have killed it live.  Things may have been different.

I think this would have helped him massively, but overall, I don't think it would have saved him.  His albums having terrible mixes alone basically made it impossible.  And of course just simply not being Bruce already had him starting from being buried 15 feet under the ground.  He got 0 help from anyone to get him up to a level playing field.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2021, 08:20:04 AM
So Kev, what stood out to you the most on these original run-throughs? Bruce's vocals? Guitar players? Songwriting?

Songwriting, first and foremost, but I was impressed with all of the instrumentation, especially Steve Harris, who I never realized was that good on the bass guitar.

Bruce is obviously a really good singer, but I still do not totally connect with his voice.  It is fine, but even still, with my new fandom, he wouldn't come close to being one of my favorite singers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 14, 2021, 08:21:47 AM
Blood Brothers became much more appreciated from me when I saw them play it live on TBOS tour.  It was phenomenal.

I had that same reaction.  The night I saw - Brooklyn - that song SLAYED. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on October 14, 2021, 08:25:22 AM
I've always really loved Blood Brothers, perhaps it's even my favourite song from the whole reunion era. I don't mind the repeated choruses, and it must be a phenomenal song live.

My favourite section:

Just for a second a glimpse of my father I see
And in a movement he beckons to me
And in a moment the memories are all that remain
And all the wounds are reopening again


I'd lost my father the year before (1999) so I can relate to that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 14, 2021, 08:31:44 AM
But wait a second; I respect all the opinions here, and let me be clear that I like Blaze the MAN a lot; he handled a shitty situation with class, aplomb and dignity, even when it wasn't always the best course for him.  He's just flat out a nice guy from all I've heard.  I also don't HATE those records as much as some (though they are lower tier for me). 

But we're not talking about a bar band looking to make it big.  We're talking about a STADIUM level band (at least internationally) looking to replace their singer.   I don't know why we're looking for ways to make him fit.  Whether Blaze could do it or not is a different story, but why should Steve concede that we're not going to do x songs or that we're not going to play them the way we've always played them?   Bruce is a one-of-a-kind, for sure, but his range isn't what makes Bruce one-of-a-kind, and that was a problem for Blaze. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 14, 2021, 08:36:56 AM
Bruce is a one-of-a-kind, for sure, but his range isn't what makes Bruce one-of-a-kind, and that was a problem for Blaze.

So true.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 14, 2021, 08:39:28 AM
My suspicion is that Steve had The X Factor in mind already when he went to choose a singer, and Blaze was the perfect singer for The X Factor, along with probably being a good fit personality-wise. And then he either didn't think enough about or didn't care enough about how this would work performing the older material live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 14, 2021, 09:12:20 AM
As far as I remember, no work on the album was done before hiring Blaze. Yeah, maybe he had an "idea" of an album in mind, but the music itself wasn't written.

As for Blaze, I too fall in the category "great and humble bloke, nice singer, NOT GOOD for Maiden", and the band didn't do any favors to him as said in previous posts. It was stubborn and perplexing of them to not downtune or change a bit the setlist - it was a golden opportunity to bring back some more Di'Anno songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 14, 2021, 10:00:29 AM
I think you're right about the timeline, but I think there's a good chance the idea of the album influenced the choice of singer. Although maybe it was the other way round. Either way, I think Blaze and TXF are really, really compatible, while Blaze and the earlier Maiden albums are not particularly compatible.

Blaze does absolutely nail Afraid to Shoot Strangers (https://youtu.be/0c9iYZdsZMM), though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 14, 2021, 10:08:19 AM
Blaze does absolutely nail Afraid to Shoot Strangers (https://youtu.be/0c9iYZdsZMM), though.

I always thought this was his best vocals on a Bruce song
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 14, 2021, 10:38:04 AM
Blaze does absolutely nail Afraid to Shoot Strangers (https://youtu.be/0c9iYZdsZMM), though.

I always thought this was his best vocals on a Bruce song
Agreed
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on October 14, 2021, 12:11:20 PM
I don't personally dislike Blaze but I always felt Brave New World got a lot better reception due to having Bruce because I think musically a lot of the songs aren't really any stronger than the Blaze albums. I could imagine a couple of the more liked songs on it (whether that's The Wicker Man, the title track or Blood Brothers) with Blaze on vocals and the fanbase would have had a very different opinion on that album I think.

Personally I think The X Factor is pretty cool, Virtual XI isn't as bad as people say. The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 14, 2021, 12:13:32 PM
I don't personally dislike Blaze but I always felt Brave New World got a lot better reception due to having Bruce because I think musically a lot of the songs aren't really any stronger than the Blaze albums. I could imagine a couple of the more liked songs on it (whether that's The Wicker Man, the title track or Blood Brothers) with Blaze on vocals and the fanbase would have had a very different opinion on that album I think.

Personally I think The X Factor is pretty cool, Virtual XI isn't as bad as people say. The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

I always forget which songs, but weren't a couple actually written from the Blaze era?  I want to say Nomad was one, but I forget. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on October 14, 2021, 12:19:31 PM
I don't personally dislike Blaze but I always felt Brave New World got a lot better reception due to having Bruce because I think musically a lot of the songs aren't really any stronger than the Blaze albums. I could imagine a couple of the more liked songs on it (whether that's The Wicker Man, the title track or Blood Brothers) with Blaze on vocals and the fanbase would have had a very different opinion on that album I think.

Personally I think The X Factor is pretty cool, Virtual XI isn't as bad as people say. The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

I always forget which songs, but weren't a couple actually written from the Blaze era?  I want to say Nomad was one, but I forget.

Dream of Mirrors for sure. Maybe Mercenary and OOTSP?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on October 14, 2021, 12:31:10 PM
I don't personally dislike Blaze but I always felt Brave New World got a lot better reception due to having Bruce because I think musically a lot of the songs aren't really any stronger than the Blaze albums. I could imagine a couple of the more liked songs on it (whether that's The Wicker Man, the title track or Blood Brothers) with Blaze on vocals and the fanbase would have had a very different opinion on that album I think.

Personally I think The X Factor is pretty cool, Virtual XI isn't as bad as people say. The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

I always forget which songs, but weren't a couple actually written from the Blaze era?  I want to say Nomad was one, but I forget.

I believe Adrian Smith confirmed that The Nomad, Dream of Mirrors and The Mercenary were written for Virtual XI. I do like Brave New World quite a bit as an album but that album definitely has a couple of songs that are just as bad as The Angel and the Gambler in terms of repetitiveness and the chorus being used way too many times. Sometimes less is more. :p
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 14, 2021, 12:34:10 PM
I don't personally dislike Blaze but I always felt Brave New World got a lot better reception due to having Bruce because I think musically a lot of the songs aren't really any stronger than the Blaze albums. I could imagine a couple of the more liked songs on it (whether that's The Wicker Man, the title track or Blood Brothers) with Blaze on vocals and the fanbase would have had a very different opinion on that album I think.

Personally I think The X Factor is pretty cool, Virtual XI isn't as bad as people say. The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

I always forget which songs, but weren't a couple actually written from the Blaze era?  I want to say Nomad was one, but I forget.

I believe Adrian Smith confirmed that The Nomad, Dream of Mirrors and The Mercenary were written for Virtual XI. I do like Brave New World quite a bit as an album but that album definitely has a couple of songs that are just as bad as The Angel and the Gambler in terms of repetitiveness and the chorus being used way too many times. Sometimes less is more. :p

This is where I disagree, there is nothing as bad on ANY IM album as TAatG  :lol I'm probably a broken record at this point as to how much I dislike that song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on October 14, 2021, 12:45:34 PM
I don't personally dislike Blaze but I always felt Brave New World got a lot better reception due to having Bruce because I think musically a lot of the songs aren't really any stronger than the Blaze albums. I could imagine a couple of the more liked songs on it (whether that's The Wicker Man, the title track or Blood Brothers) with Blaze on vocals and the fanbase would have had a very different opinion on that album I think.

Personally I think The X Factor is pretty cool, Virtual XI isn't as bad as people say. The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

I always forget which songs, but weren't a couple actually written from the Blaze era?  I want to say Nomad was one, but I forget.

I believe Adrian Smith confirmed that The Nomad, Dream of Mirrors and The Mercenary were written for Virtual XI. I do like Brave New World quite a bit as an album but that album definitely has a couple of songs that are just as bad as The Angel and the Gambler in terms of repetitiveness and the chorus being used way too many times. Sometimes less is more. :p

This is where I disagree, there is nothing as bad on ANY IM album as TAatG  :lol I'm probably a broken record at this point as to how much I dislike that song.

I don't necessarily rate TAatG but to me songs like Blood Brothers, Dream of Mirrors and The Mercenary to name a few are up there in terms of being too repetitive IMO. Unfortunately it's a thing they have done a couple of times since as well, IMO a chorus doesn't get better if it's repeated 20 times.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 14, 2021, 12:52:18 PM
The repetitiveness, while your point, is not the only reason I despise that song. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 14, 2021, 12:56:25 PM
The repetitiveness, while your point, is not the only reason I despise that song.

I don't want to make you repeat yourself, but why DO you dislike it?  Not arguing, just curious (knowing how much you love the band). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 14, 2021, 01:08:12 PM
I don't personally dislike Blaze but I always felt Brave New World got a lot better reception due to having Bruce because I think musically a lot of the songs aren't really any stronger than the Blaze albums. I could imagine a couple of the more liked songs on it (whether that's The Wicker Man, the title track or Blood Brothers) with Blaze on vocals and the fanbase would have had a very different opinion on that album I think.

Personally I think The X Factor is pretty cool, Virtual XI isn't as bad as people say. The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

I always forget which songs, but weren't a couple actually written from the Blaze era?  I want to say Nomad was one, but I forget.

I believe Adrian Smith confirmed that The Nomad, Dream of Mirrors and The Mercenary were written for Virtual XI. I do like Brave New World quite a bit as an album but that album definitely has a couple of songs that are just as bad as The Angel and the Gambler in terms of repetitiveness and the chorus being used way too many times. Sometimes less is more. :p

Adrian confirmed those three in an interview where he said there were four, but he couldn't remember the other. He also apparently said that Blood Brothers wasn't the fourth one. But in another interview, Steve said Blood Brothers was partially written during VXI.

So either there are four besides Blood Brothers and the remaining one is unknown, or it's those four and Adrian was just wrong. If there's a fifth song, I'd guess The Thin Line Between Love and Hate, because that's the remaining song on the album that doesn't have a credit for either Bruce or Adrian, but I'm doubtful about that one because it feels very much like it was written for Bruce. The others sound like ones that Blaze could tackle.

Blaze also has said that he wrote some of the lyrics to Dream of Mirrors, and I see no reason to disbelieve that, especially given the band's spotty history with giving proper credit. It seems up his alley in terms of subject matter (and up 'Arry's, too, just to be fair).


On the other point: The Angel and the Gambler rocks. No caveats. It rocks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 14, 2021, 01:10:53 PM
The repetitiveness, while your point, is not the only reason I despise that song.

I don't want to make you repeat yourself, but why DO you dislike it?  Not arguing, just curious (knowing how much you love the band).

it's extremely boring to me.  But the keys in this are maybe the most annoying sound I've ever heard in a song (the keys before the verse, not during the verses/chorus).  It just doesn't sound right at all, so to me, the song is dead upon arrival.  Then it goes on for over 9 minutes!!! And that's where the repeativeness really takes it to another level of terribleness.  The break before the instrumental where it gets soft adds to the boringness of the song.  It's quite amazing that the single for the music video version is only 4 minutes long and even that feels like a chore to get through.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 14, 2021, 01:24:19 PM
Adrian confirmed those three in an interview where he said there were four, but he couldn't remember the other. He also apparently said that Blood Brothers wasn't the fourth one. But in another interview, Steve said Blood Brothers was partially written during VXI.

So either there are four besides Blood Brothers and the remaining one is unknown, or it's those four and Adrian was just wrong. If there's a fifth song, I'd guess The Thin Line Between Love and Hate, because that's the remaining song on the album that doesn't have a credit for either Bruce or Adrian, but I'm doubtful about that one because it feels very much like it was written for Bruce. The others sound like ones that Blaze could tackle.

I forgot to add: We can actually hear Blaze's take on Blood Brothers in this acoustic version (https://youtu.be/Lju5yaKglr8). He doesn't give away any information about when it was written, but this just sounds like a song that was made for him (not a slight to Bruce at all; he absolutely made it his own).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2021, 05:47:58 PM
The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

Perhaps, but Bon Scott and David Lee Roth, while not powerhouse singers like Dickinson, were legendary hard rock singers, and AC/DC and Van Halen did just fine (commercially and with the fanbases, the Roth diehards who weren't gonna accept any new singer in VH notwithstanding) with their immediate replacements, and I have to think that had Maiden gotten a really good singer who was a good fit, the fans would have been accepting.  In my listens of the Blaze albums, I could hear nice moments, almost like there were gems in there somewhere, but they were lost underneath a) the poor sound/mixes, and b) the mediocre vocals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 14, 2021, 05:53:59 PM
The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

Perhaps, but Bon Scott and David Lee Roth, while not powerhouse singers like Dickinson, were legendary hard rock singers, and AC/DC and Van Halen did just fine (commercially and with the fanbases, the Roth diehards who weren't gonna accept any new singer in VH notwithstanding) with their immediate replacements, and I have to think that had Maiden gotten a really good singer who was a good fit, the fans would have been accepting.  In my listens of the Blaze albums, I could hear nice moments, almost like there were gems in there somewhere, but they were lost underneath a) the poor sound/mixes, and b) the mediocre vocals.

Sure, but Sammy was more than well known, and even Brian Johnson was moderately successful with Geordie, though no one could've forseen how big AC/DC was about to get. AC/DC, though, was NOT at Maiden's level when Scott died/Bruce left.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2021, 07:34:03 PM
The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

Perhaps, but Bon Scott and David Lee Roth, while not powerhouse singers like Dickinson, were legendary hard rock singers, and AC/DC and Van Halen did just fine (commercially and with the fanbases, the Roth diehards who weren't gonna accept any new singer in VH notwithstanding) with their immediate replacements, and I have to think that had Maiden gotten a really good singer who was a good fit, the fans would have been accepting.  In my listens of the Blaze albums, I could hear nice moments, almost like there were gems in there somewhere, but they were lost underneath a) the poor sound/mixes, and b) the mediocre vocals.

Sure, but Sammy was more than well known, and even Brian Johnson was moderately successful with Geordie, though no one could've forseen how big AC/DC was about to get. AC/DC, though, was NOT at Maiden's level when Scott died/Bruce left.

Fair point.

Reading up, it looks like Di'Anno has made a mess of his life over the years, but the more I listen, the more I realize what a good job he did on those first two albums. Those first two albums remind me of Priest's Rocka Rolla in that they hadn't gone full tilt with the metal yet and is more a cool blend of hard rock and laid back chill rock.  The vibe on both of those records is pretty damn good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 14, 2021, 07:38:34 PM
Dianno had a great voice, but he ended up being a real loose cannon. I followed his output throughout the 80's, and enjoyed it.
I think I posted a comprehensive recap of it a little while ago.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 14, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
I'm still yet to checkout a single thing from Dianno post Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 14, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
I honestly find Di'Anno unpleasant enough personally to dissuade me from taking any interest in his later works.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2021, 07:45:23 PM
Yeah, I have zero interest in checking out anything he did outside of Maiden, but I do like the debut and Killers both a lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 14, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Check out Nomad, a great Dianno album:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1aXhSbVE0s8594VTjYpsUSh-X4crG8Va
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on October 14, 2021, 09:58:01 PM
I'm the same with Dianno, in that I have never checked out any of his output post Maiden, but I love those first 2 Maiden albums and his contribution to them. Maiden became a different band once Bruce joined but those first 2 albums are classics to me.

Lost of discussion on Blaze and where he fits in (or doesn't fit in as the case may be) but the one point that I have brought up previously is that I will never understand why Steve chose a vocalist who was not capable of singing the bands previous songs live. Most of the classic live Maiden songs Blaze couldn't sing. In terms of other big bands called out above who changed vocalists, (Van Halen, ACDC) the new vocalist was very capable of singing any of the previous material.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 15, 2021, 01:54:46 AM
I'm the same with Dianno, in that I have never checked out any of his output post Maiden, but I love those first 2 Maiden albums and his contribution to them. Maiden became a different band once Bruce joined but those first 2 albums are classics to me.

Lost of discussion on Blaze and where he fits in (or doesn't fit in as the case may be) but the one point that I have brought up previously is that I will never understand why Steve chose a vocalist who was not capable of singing the bands previous songs live. Most of the classic live Maiden songs Blaze couldn't sing. In terms of other big bands called out above who changed vocalists, (Van Halen, ACDC) the new vocalist was very capable of singing any of the previous material.

Wolfsbane was managed by Sanctuary Music at the time. This means that for Blaze to join Maiden, there would be a lot less bureaucracy and paperwork for them to sign. I know this sucks, but that's how business decisions are made sometimes. Same with Gary Cherone and Van Halen - Extreme and VH were managed by Ray Daniels at the time, so Ray suggested Gary's name to Eddie.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on October 15, 2021, 05:34:01 AM
The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

Perhaps, but Bon Scott and David Lee Roth, while not powerhouse singers like Dickinson, were legendary hard rock singers, and AC/DC and Van Halen did just fine (commercially and with the fanbases, the Roth diehards who weren't gonna accept any new singer in VH notwithstanding) with their immediate replacements, and I have to think that had Maiden gotten a really good singer who was a good fit, the fans would have been accepting.  In my listens of the Blaze albums, I could hear nice moments, almost like there were gems in there somewhere, but they were lost underneath a) the poor sound/mixes, and b) the mediocre vocals.

I think if you compare Maiden and AC/DC in this case, Maiden were already showing signs of declining, or at least hitting a bit of a rough patch. No Prayer for the Dying is a far cry from the albums before it, and even though I personally have grown to like Fear of the Dark a fair bit due to its variety, I think it's fair to say in general it's not a very highly regarded album. So Blaze comes into a band that's already in a weird place and even though I think The X Factor is a cool and unique album, I can see why people dislike it and it doesn't really sound very 'Maiden'. I think the Blaze albums has a couple of gems (Sign of the Cross and Clansman are 2 of my favorites) but it's also a fair argument that these songs got even better with Bruce performing them. AC/DC by comparison felt like they were getting better and better and Highway to Hell was possibly their best album with Bon Scott, so Brian Johnson came into the fold with a band that was more close to their peak.

If you look at the Blaze albums in a vacuum I think he did a decent job but he starts to feel a lot more out of place when you factor in the Maiden legacy as a whole. It's quite painful hearing him sing some of their classic songs (being used to the Bruce versions) and I know some of it isn't his fault - like the band refusing to alter the songs (key/tempo and such) and I think unfortunately the Steve Harris decision to hire Blaze because he was 'different' ended up hitting back at Blaze the most with all the hate he has gotten over the years for not being Bruce. Part of me feels bad for him but I'm also happy Bruce got back. I do think Bruce is the face of Maiden and it didn't feel the same when he was out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 15, 2021, 06:35:50 AM
That seems like a fair take.

Sometimes, the timing just isn't right. Take Gary Cherone. He could have been a good fit in Van Halen, but he came on board when Eddie was in the mood to do a more experimental album, one that was pretty hit or miss (many say mostly miss).  Had he came on board for an album that was more classic VH-sounding, I think some fans would have warmed up to him a bit more.  Of course, Cherone is an actual really good singer, so that helps, too. ;) :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 15, 2021, 08:23:50 AM
I think it's a little unfair bringing in Van Halen, they were one of an exceptionally small number of bands I can think of who changed their singer at the peak of their career and it didn't affect their success. For most bands replacing your singer is commercial suicide - think John Bush in Anthrax or John Corabi in Motley Crue. Sure, many people may love those albums, but come on...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 15, 2021, 08:45:08 AM
I think lumping in John Bush with Coriabi is completely unfair. Even though MC made a pretty cool album, it truly was a complete commercial disaster.

The Bush era of Anthrax, and SOWN in particular was relatively successful and is (by most) very highly regarded. Granted, it definitely petered out at the end, and bringing Belladonna back gave them a huge boost. But the beginning of the Bush era did not bring a steep decline in popularity from the preceding albums like the MC example. Not by a long shot.

In fact, I would count Anthrax as one of those very rare bands that DID find success with two singers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 15, 2021, 09:00:25 AM
If you look at the Blaze albums in a vacuum I think he did a decent job but he starts to feel a lot more out of place when you factor in the Maiden legacy as a whole. It's quite painful hearing him sing some of their classic songs (being used to the Bruce versions) and I know some of it isn't his fault - like the band refusing to alter the songs (key/tempo and such) and I think unfortunately the Steve Harris decision to hire Blaze because he was 'different' ended up hitting back at Blaze the most with all the hate he has gotten over the years for not being Bruce. Part of me feels bad for him but I'm also happy Bruce got back. I do think Bruce is the face of Maiden and it didn't feel the same when he was out.

I think this is a fair analysis, and I agree with most of it. I think it's hard to dispute that firing Blaze and bringing back Bruce was the right decision for the band, both artistically and commercially. I don't think even Blaze would dispute it.

And that's one aspect of why I'm rather defensive of Blaze. To me, he has demonstrated just exemplary handling of a really difficult situation. He got a chance to be part of one of the biggest bands in the genre and made some music with them that he's rightly proud of. And instead of being resentful about the fan reception or about being kicked out of the band, he acknowledges and respects why the band made the choice they did, and maintains a positive attitude toward and good relations with them (including with the guy who replaced him, it seems: he did an interview with Bruce a while ago when Bruce had a radio show, which I recall being pretty interesting).

And he made the most of the opportunity he was given: He's carried the banner for the two albums he did with Iron Maiden, not shying away from them because of their unpopularity, but sort of rallying their small but passionate fanbase and routinely performing songs that Maiden (for understandable reasons, given the size of their discography and the reception of those albums) neglects. And he's done that while refusing to just become a nostalgia act: He has not gone longer than four years without releasing an album since leaving Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 15, 2021, 09:10:46 AM
The biggest hurdle for Blaze from my PoV is that Bruce IS the voice of Iron Maiden and that is hard to overcome.

Perhaps, but Bon Scott and David Lee Roth, while not powerhouse singers like Dickinson, were legendary hard rock singers, and AC/DC and Van Halen did just fine (commercially and with the fanbases, the Roth diehards who weren't gonna accept any new singer in VH notwithstanding) with their immediate replacements, and I have to think that had Maiden gotten a really good singer who was a good fit, the fans would have been accepting.  In my listens of the Blaze albums, I could hear nice moments, almost like there were gems in there somewhere, but they were lost underneath a) the poor sound/mixes, and b) the mediocre vocals.

Sure, but Sammy was more than well known, and even Brian Johnson was moderately successful with Geordie, though no one could've forseen how big AC/DC was about to get. AC/DC, though, was NOT at Maiden's level when Scott died/Bruce left.

 I think this is right.   The only band that REALLY did as well or better after a "singer" change was Van Halen.  They are almost the exception that proves the rule.   The Bon Scott/Brian Johnson change is more like the Paul Di'Anno to Bruce change.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on October 15, 2021, 10:28:39 AM
I think there are a lot of false equivalencies and missing context in some of these comparisons. Hagar came into Van Halen just as VH was exploding and Hagar had a recent hit single of his own. It was a match that, while certainly risky, was well suited to be huge. Iron Maiden in the early 90s was already in decline in a lot of major territories and Blaze was coming in as an unknown. I definitely think the lineup change accelerated that decline, but a slump in the 90s was probably inevitable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 15, 2021, 10:36:56 AM
If you look at the Blaze albums in a vacuum I think he did a decent job but he starts to feel a lot more out of place when you factor in the Maiden legacy as a whole. It's quite painful hearing him sing some of their classic songs (being used to the Bruce versions) and I know some of it isn't his fault - like the band refusing to alter the songs (key/tempo and such) and I think unfortunately the Steve Harris decision to hire Blaze because he was 'different' ended up hitting back at Blaze the most with all the hate he has gotten over the years for not being Bruce. Part of me feels bad for him but I'm also happy Bruce got back. I do think Bruce is the face of Maiden and it didn't feel the same when he was out.

I think this is a fair analysis, and I agree with most of it. I think it's hard to dispute that firing Blaze and bringing back Bruce was the right decision for the band, both artistically and commercially. I don't think even Blaze would dispute it.

And that's one aspect of why I'm rather defensive of Blaze. To me, he has demonstrated just exemplary handling of a really difficult situation. He got a chance to be part of one of the biggest bands in the genre and made some music with them that he's rightly proud of. And instead of being resentful about the fan reception or about being kicked out of the band, he acknowledges and respects why the band made the choice they did, and maintains a positive attitude toward and good relations with them (including with the guy who replaced him, it seems: he did an interview with Bruce a while ago when Bruce had a radio show, which I recall being pretty interesting).

And he made the most of the opportunity he was given: He's carried the banner for the two albums he did with Iron Maiden, not shying away from them because of their unpopularity, but sort of rallying their small but passionate fanbase and routinely performing songs that Maiden (for understandable reasons, given the size of their discography and the reception of those albums) neglects. And he's done that while refusing to just become a nostalgia act: He has not gone longer than four years without releasing an album since leaving Maiden.

Agree with every word of that, 425; you've captured how many of us feel very succinctly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 15, 2021, 10:48:03 AM
Indeed, very wise words!

I'd daresay that, as weird as it might seem, Blaze might have gotten more fans after leaving Maiden than while he was with the band. Those who were not completely and aggressively against his very existance and forgot about him the second Bruce came back and gave Blaze a fair chance, out of curiosity if nothing else, found out that with the right material he could be allowed to shine, and took a liking to him and a better understanding of him. Silicon Messiah and The Tenth Dimension are great albums, for example, and Stare at the Sun tramples everything on Virtual XI except The Clansman.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 15, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
Stare at the Sun is a really good song. I don't know how I'd rate it next to the songs on VXI, but it's a really good song.

I think Blaze probably did get more fans after leaving Maiden, partly from people who gave him a fair chance on his own material. But I think a large part also comes from younger fans of Maiden, who got into the band already knowing the reunion happened and thus approached Blaze knowing he was the singer for just two albums, not for the indefinite future of the band. With that knowledge in mind, there's not so much tension over "is this the voice of Iron Maiden?" and more room to take or leave the albums for what they are—which then channels them to check out his solo stuff if they like his voice.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 15, 2021, 11:45:35 AM
Yeah, I got into IM after his departure so I was curious about his own stuff and pleasantly surprised when I first started listening to his solo music.  It also helps that he's been very active with putting out new music, touring, and from all I've heard, just a generally nice and likeable guy.  I haven't heard much of any of that regarding Dianno for example.  I've never even checked out his work outside IM and honestly never really thought about it, which is odd I guess now that I think about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 15, 2021, 12:05:16 PM
I honestly don't know one Blaze solo song and am indifferent on his two albums with Maiden, but I LOVE the guy, based on everything everyone else has written here.  No way you can claim he's anything but a class guy that has walked the right line on his time with Maiden.  Used it without exploiting it, honest without being vindictive... and from what I hear he delivers both on-stage and off to fans while he's on tour. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 15, 2021, 12:13:56 PM
Well, if you wanna rectify that, his first solo album, Silicon Messiah, is a very good place to start.

It's safe to say that if that album doesn't work for you, Blaze isn't really the right guy for you, musically speaking, but if you like it.... lot of solo stuff out there to enjoy!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 15, 2021, 12:39:34 PM
I am quite confident that a Blaze Bayley thread would see plenty of discussion and posts. Not only are there ten albums to talk about, but the guy is putting out new stuff very frequently.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 15, 2021, 01:40:06 PM
SM is a remarkable debut.  Heavy, lots of Maiden influence and sounds great.  Tenth Dimension follows on from that nicely too.

Blood and Belief I always loved too.  Slightly darker but some really wonderful songs.  The Man Who Would Not Die and Promise and Terror also are both excellent, heavy albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 15, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Blood and Belief was the one that stopped my progression through Blaze's discography years ago. I really like Silicon Messiah and Tenth Dimension, but that one didn't do it for me. Maybe I'll try it again at some point.

I am resuming my trek now, though: I have Promise and Terror and the new one on order. Unfortunately, The Man Who Would Not Die seems to be out of print.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 15, 2021, 02:21:33 PM
He also has a live album called As Live as It Gets recorded from 2002 where it features mostly tracks from his first two solo albums (Silicon Messiah and Tenth Dimension) plus a few Iron Maiden songs, it's really good.  It's actually what sucked me into his solo albums.  If I recall, I got that album before his studio albums because he performed the IM song Virus on it.  Then I went back and got his two solo albums and eventually more.  I kind of stopped following him after Promise and Terror, not really sure why, but his latest album that came out in 2021 got me back onboard.  Really good and consistent solo career of music.  I probably should check out the rest of his albums, but just have not gotten around to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on October 15, 2021, 03:36:01 PM
I must admit I haven't listened to much Blaze stuff outside of his work with Maiden, but having only seen a couple of interviews with him, he comes off as one of the nicest guys in the business. He seems very humble and thankful of his time in Maiden and I feel there are similar cases where a member was pushed out a band, and even though they try to keep a nice face in interviews, you can pick up on a hint of resentment or bitterness, but I've never gotten that from Blaze. He seems like a really cool guy who came in, did his job to the best of his ability, it wasn't really clicking and for the band it made sense to get Bruce and Adrian back in and I think he understands that too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on October 15, 2021, 07:46:09 PM
My goodness Kev went through the entire discography and all anyone wants to talk about is freaking Blaze Bailey  :facepalm:. Bruce who?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 15, 2021, 09:04:43 PM
Hilarious, ain't it?  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 16, 2021, 06:18:44 AM
Well, back to Senjutsu, yesterday I heard it for a round trip in the evening and I enjoyed the living shit out of it. Very solid effort that doesn't implode under its weight (or length) at all.

I still think I like The Book of Souls a bit better - it had three absolute monster tracks (opener, title track and obviously Empire) and many other solid songs, while Senjutsu has more of that "heard this before" feel, and that guitar line doubling Bruce's vocals plastered all across the darn album, but all in all, it's a great album and the three epics at the end are all great. I must have spaced out being concentrated on driving 'cause Parchment's solo section didn't even feel that long, when it ended I was like "oh, back to vocals already'?".

And the second solo of The Writing on the Wall is memorable and the best on the album, who did that? Adrian?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on October 16, 2021, 06:27:31 AM
Well, back to Senjutsu, yesterday I heard it for a round trip in the evening and I enjoyed the living shit out of it. Very solid effort that doesn't implode under its weight (or length) at all.

I still think I like The Book of Souls a bit better - it had three absolute monster tracks (opener, title track and obviously Empire) and many other solid songs, while Senjutsu has more of that "heard this before" feel, and that guitar line doubling Bruce's vocals plastered all across the darn album, but all in all, it's a great album and the three epics at the end are all great. I must have spaced out being concentrated on driving 'cause Parchment's solo section didn't even feel that long, when it ended I was like "oh, back to vocals already'?".

And the second solo of The Writing on the Wall is memorable and the best on the album, who did that? Adrian?

The Book of Souls feels like a chore to get through after awhile even though I think all the songs are pretty strong whereas just Senjutsu flies by for me without overstaying its welcome. Even with the epics clumped together at the end, the pacing feels really good to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2021, 06:36:37 AM
My impression was that both The Book of Souls and Senjutsu would have benefited by lopping off some of the dead weight (both have a couple songs that seem pretty average and could have been left off), but The Book of Souls, for me, has much higher highs.  I don't think there is anything on Senjutsu that touches The Red and the Black, The Book of Souls or Empire of the Clouds.  Death or Glory and If Eternity Should Fail are quite nice as well. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 16, 2021, 08:32:45 AM
My goodness Kev went through the entire discography and all anyone wants to talk about is freaking Blaze Bailey  :facepalm:. Bruce who?

To be direct, I find a post like this unhelpful and somewhat rude. If you have something you want to talk about, you can bring it up, preferably without sort of implying that we're all stupid and wrong for talking about something else. But this thread doesn't exist solely to talk about things that specifically interest you.


The Book of Souls feels like a chore to get through after awhile even though I think all the songs are pretty strong whereas just Senjutsu flies by for me without overstaying its welcome. Even with the epics clumped together at the end, the pacing feels really good to me.

I'm close to agreeing with this. I think of the two albums, Senjutsu is significantly stronger—both more consistent and with higher highs. The Book of Souls has a few weaker songs that make its 90 minutes feel a lot longer than Senjutsu's 80. I never got into When the River Runs Deep, and Tears of a Clown is okay but weaker than anything on Senjutsu. I also am not a huge fan of Death or Glory, though I know it's widely loved by others.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 16, 2021, 08:34:35 AM
Well, back to Senjutsu, yesterday I heard it for a round trip in the evening and I enjoyed the living shit out of it. Very solid effort that doesn't implode under its weight (or length) at all.

I still think I like The Book of Souls a bit better - it had three absolute monster tracks (opener, title track and obviously Empire) and many other solid songs, while Senjutsu has more of that "heard this before" feel, and that guitar line doubling Bruce's vocals plastered all across the darn album, but all in all, it's a great album and the three epics at the end are all great. I must have spaced out being concentrated on driving 'cause Parchment's solo section didn't even feel that long, when it ended I was like "oh, back to vocals already'?".

And the second solo of The Writing on the Wall is memorable and the best on the album, who did that? Adrian?

Hot take:  Empire is the most overrated song in the Maiden catalogue.  Not that it's bad, it's not, it's actually pretty good, but I think it gets more praise for what it is (18 minute epic with piano) than it's quality as a song.  IMO. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2021, 08:37:28 AM


Hot take:  Empire is the most overrated song in the Maiden catalogue.  Not that it's bad, it's not, it's actually pretty good, but I think it gets more praise for what it is (18 minute epic with piano) than it's quality as a song.  IMO.

I think it is really good, but when I spitballed a list of 25 favorites so far, I didn't list it simply because I doubt it will become a song I listen to very often.  With songs of that length, something has to be really, really special for me to spin it regularly, like 2112 which I probably listened to 2,112 times in the 90s :lol, and many of the Neal Morse(-related) ones.  Empire of the Clouds I see as being one of those treats I will spin a few times a year and enjoy the heck out of, and that will be enough.  :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 16, 2021, 08:38:53 AM
Hot take:  Empire is the most overrated song in the Maiden catalogue.  Not that it's bad, it's not, it's actually pretty good, but I think it gets more praise for what it is (18 minute epic with piano) than it's quality as a song.  IMO. 

I agree that it gets more praise for what it is than its quality as a song—I like it a lot, but I put it below a ton of the reunion epics.

But most overrated really depends on what circles you're talking about, and given the prevalence of "80s good, everything else bad" fans out there, I would be hard pressed to choose anything off a post-Seventh Son album as their most overrated song (to grab one off the top of my head: maybe Killers).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2021, 08:44:26 AM

But most overrated really depends on what circles you're talking about, and given the prevalence of "80s good, everything else bad" fans out there, I would be hard pressed to choose anything off a post-Seventh Son album as their most overrated song (to grab one off the top of my head: maybe Killers).

 :facepalm: :facepalm:

Oh no, you didn't! :P :P

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on October 16, 2021, 02:49:36 PM

Hot take:  Empire is the most overrated song in the Maiden catalogue.  Not that it's bad, it's not, it's actually pretty good, but I think it gets more praise for what it is (18 minute epic with piano) than it's quality as a song.  IMO.

I don't know if I'd go as far as "most overrated" (that's a difficult concept to define anyway), but I can't say I disagree with the sentiment. I do like the song too, but the whole "longest IM song evah" aura surely helped give it additional weight...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 16, 2021, 03:10:13 PM

Hot take:  Empire is the most overrated song in the Maiden catalogue.  Not that it's bad, it's not, it's actually pretty good, but I think it gets more praise for what it is (18 minute epic with piano) than it's quality as a song.  IMO.

I don't know if I'd go as far as "most overrated" (that's a difficult concept to define anyway), but I can't say I disagree with the sentiment. I do like the song too, but the whole "longest IM song evah" aura surely helped give it additional weight...

This is exactly how I felt about Rime Of The Ancient Mariner in 1984/85.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 16, 2021, 03:25:07 PM
Well, if you wanna rectify that, his first solo album, Silicon Messiah, is a very good place to start.

It's safe to say that if that album doesn't work for you, Blaze isn't really the right guy for you, musically speaking, but if you like it.... lot of solo stuff out there to enjoy!

100%

To my mind Blaze very nearly outdid Maiden's Brave New World with Silicon Messiah.  Say what ya like but that album proved how good he could really be and that's coming from someone who loves his Maiden stuff.

While Tenth Dimension that followed was great as was his recent William Black trilogy he really outdid himself with this year's War Inside Me too!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 16, 2021, 03:27:00 PM
He's had a tremendous solo career. His albums are excellent. My sweet spot is The Man Who Would Not Die/Promise & terror.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 16, 2021, 03:34:59 PM
He's had a tremendous solo career. His albums are excellent. My sweet spot is The Man Who Would Not Die/Promise & terror.

Yep both brilliant albums which deserved to be rounded out with a third but instead let down somewhat by the mediocre The King Of Metal.

I remember Bruce interviewing Blaze for The Man WWND
on his radio show or something which was quite cool too🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 16, 2021, 03:35:56 PM


I remember Bruce interviewing Blaze for The Man WWND
on his radio show or something which was quite cool too🤘

Yeah, great respect.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 16, 2021, 03:56:25 PM
And am just rereading and noticed 425 already pointed out Blaze being interviewed by Bruce at top of this page!  I clearly missed that on first glance and put that down to finishing nightshift and unwinding with some music reading here before getting some shut eye 🥱

Poor form by me and I point that out because I hate it when it's clear people haven't read through others comments particularly recent ones before posting their own.  So yep my bad 🤦
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 16, 2021, 04:13:55 PM
No worries! There's been a lot of discussion, and I tend to write longer posts, so I understand missing one point in there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2021, 07:03:49 PM

Hot take:  Empire is the most overrated song in the Maiden catalogue.  Not that it's bad, it's not, it's actually pretty good, but I think it gets more praise for what it is (18 minute epic with piano) than it's quality as a song.  IMO.

I don't know if I'd go as far as "most overrated" (that's a difficult concept to define anyway), but I can't say I disagree with the sentiment. I do like the song too, but the whole "longest IM song evah" aura surely helped give it additional weight...

This is exactly how I felt about Rime Of The Ancient Mariner in 1984/85.

Where do you rate that one now?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 16, 2021, 07:08:25 PM
It has aged very well, I'll say. I'll go through phases where I'll want to hear as many versions as I can. I don't rate it as a favorite track, but the thing with Iron Maiden is that many of their songs grow the more they marinate.

Powerslave , in general, has aged very well.

I was not impressed with the album when it came out. What can I say? That is how I felt as a 16 y/o.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2021, 07:09:57 PM
Yep, it happens.  Even though Powerslave is my favorite album of theirs so far, I think Alexander the Great is their best album closer from the 80s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 16, 2021, 07:15:19 PM
Yep, it happens.  Even though Powerslave is my favorite album of theirs so far, I think Alexander the Great is their best album closer from the 80s.

I saw them on that tour, and when they busted out Rime again, I was like WTF??

Alexander is a great tune, but even that gets lost on me when I rank their Classic Era tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2021, 07:28:14 PM
Yep, with that many good songs, it can be easy to overlook or forget about some.  I am sure as I revisit them a lot over time, I am sure some will grab me that maybe haven't yet.  13 albums is a lot to revisit (7 from the 80s and the 6 reunion albums; the 90s albums I will not bother with again), but I have time. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 16, 2021, 07:33:12 PM
Yep, with that many good songs, it can be easy to overlook or forget about some.  I am sure as I revisit them a lot over time, I am sure some will grab me that maybe haven't yet.  13 albums is a lot to revisit (7 from the 80s and the 6 reunion albums; the 90s albums I will not bother with again), but I have time. :lol

That's a lot of music to digest in a short time. I give you credit for getting through it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2021, 09:19:27 PM
Yep, with that many good songs, it can be easy to overlook or forget about some.  I am sure as I revisit them a lot over time, I am sure some will grab me that maybe haven't yet.  13 albums is a lot to revisit (7 from the 80s and the 6 reunion albums; the 90s albums I will not bother with again), but I have time. :lol

That's a lot of music to digest in a short time. I give you credit for getting through it.

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 17, 2021, 04:38:57 AM
Had a crack at both Adrian's and Dave's Darkest Hour solos.  Did this a few weeks ago but only just had the time now to finish it off and upload it.  A few little nuances not quite right, but I think it's decent.  Check it out.

Edit:  I'll have to reupload.  I didn't switch the video around so it looks like I'm left handed.  D'oh!  Didn't even give that a thought.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 17, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-loving-principal-can-stay-despite-parents-petitioning-for-her-removal/

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 17, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-loving-principal-can-stay-despite-parents-petitioning-for-her-removal/

 :facepalm:

What is the fucking point of having an instagram? If you want to put your shit out there for the world to see, then you get what you get, no matter how ridiculous it is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 17, 2021, 01:38:35 PM
Instawhat?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 17, 2021, 02:22:32 PM
Sometimes I chuckle at the amount of Luddites that I find in an online forum on the Internet. It seems ironic somehow. :rollin :rollin

I mean that term affectionately
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 17, 2021, 02:24:42 PM
What is a Luddite? Sounds like a brand of cough drops.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 17, 2021, 02:58:58 PM
What is a Luddite? Sounds like a brand of cough drops.

From the dictionary:

“someone who is opposed or resistant to new technologies or technological change.”
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 17, 2021, 03:06:07 PM
What is a Luddite? Sounds like a brand of cough drops.

From the dictionary:

“someone who is opposed or resistant to new technologies or technological change.”

What's a dictionary? ;D

I'm not a luddite. I have an iPhone.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 17, 2021, 03:09:27 PM
What is a Luddite? Sounds like a brand of cough drops.

From the dictionary:

“someone who is opposed or resistant to new technologies or technological change.”

What's a dictionary? ;D

I'm not a luddite. I have an iPhone.

Dude….NEW technologies. Using a cell phone doesn’t make you a non-Luddite.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 17, 2021, 03:13:25 PM
But it has apps and shit. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 17, 2021, 04:13:49 PM
What is a Luddite? Sounds like a brand of cough drops.

From the dictionary:

“someone who is opposed or resistant to new technologies or technological change.”

I have never heard that term before.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 17, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
What is a Luddite? Sounds like a brand of cough drops.

From the dictionary:

“someone who is opposed or resistant to new technologies or technological change.”

What's a dictionary? ;D

I'm not a luddite. I have an iPhone.

Dude….NEW technologies. Using a cell phone doesn’t make you a non-Luddite.  :rollin

What's newer than a Samsung Android?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 17, 2021, 05:46:00 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-loving-principal-can-stay-despite-parents-petitioning-for-her-removal/

 :facepalm:

 :facepalm:

At least it turned out well in the end, but damn. I thought the "evil metal music coming after your children" narrative would've been long since dead by now, but I guess human stupidity is immortal.

Ten bucks says at least half the people who signed the original petition have asked to speak to the manager at some point. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 18, 2021, 12:54:03 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-loving-principal-can-stay-despite-parents-petitioning-for-her-removal/

 :facepalm:

 :facepalm:

At least it turned out well in the end, but damn. I thought the "evil metal music coming after your children" narrative would've been long since dead by now, but I guess human stupidity is immortal.

Ten bucks says at least half the people who signed the original petition have asked to speak to the manager at some point. :lol
Yea I thought so too. I guess that's the weird side effect of social media. Pre-internet peoples social life stayed locally and within a circle. So heavy metal loving principals could roam freely without the world to judge. These days when people are being open and social about their personal life they risk getting judged for being themself by angry mobs with digital pitchforks. It's funny because it's kinda in reverse,  instead of an angry mob showing up at your house like the good 'ol days the mobs roam in secrecy online and sign petitions in the comfort of their own homes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 18, 2021, 06:00:15 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-loving-principal-can-stay-despite-parents-petitioning-for-her-removal/

 :facepalm:

I know this was Canada rather than the US, but on behalf of every single person in Europe and the rest of the world, can I just say that we really don't understand this shit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 18, 2021, 06:06:11 AM
This is a surprise to you people?  Something like this happens probably three or four times a week THAT WE HEAR OF, and probably three times that that we don't.  This is culture in North America; you're judged indiscriminately based on the shifting mores of the mob.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 18, 2021, 03:19:20 PM
And it's Iron fucking Maiden for fucks sake.  These people would really loose their shit if it were some black metal band.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 18, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Imagine the principal with an Anal C*** shirt on.  :) :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 18, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Imagine the principal with an Anal C*** shirt on.  :) :metal :metal

I heard they have a surprisingly large fanbase among educators.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 18, 2021, 03:49:09 PM
Imagine the principal with an Anal C*** shirt on.  :) :metal :metal

I heard they have a surprisingly large fanbase among educators.

Mainly physiology and anatomy teachers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on October 18, 2021, 04:05:20 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-loving-principal-can-stay-despite-parents-petitioning-for-her-removal/

 :facepalm:

"The petition, titled 'Eden High School Principal, Sharon Burns, Needs to Be Transferred Immediately!' read, 'We are deeply disturbed that the principal assigned to the school blatantly showed Satanic symbols and her allegiance to Satanic practices on her public social media platforms where all the students can see them under @edenprincipal (not her personal account).'"

Didn't we move past this shit 35 years ago?

"More than 500 people signed the petition to transfer Burns. . . .

[P]

Meanwhile, a counter-petition supporting Burns garnered over 20,000 signatures."

At least there's that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Herrick on October 19, 2021, 08:37:30 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-loving-principal-can-stay-despite-parents-petitioning-for-her-removal/

 :facepalm:

"The petition, titled 'Eden High School Principal, Sharon Burns, Needs to Be Transferred Immediately!' read, 'We are deeply disturbed that the principal assigned to the school blatantly showed Satanic symbols and her allegiance to Satanic practices on her public social media platforms where all the students can see them under @edenprincipal (not her personal account).'"

Didn't we move past this shit 35 years ago?

"More than 500 people signed the petition to transfer Burns. . . .

[P]

Meanwhile, a counter-petition supporting Burns garnered over 20,000 signatures."

At least there's that.

This almost sounds like a joke. I'm embarassed for those people. I really hope there's more to the story than just that fucking picture. I don't have FaceBooger or any other "public social media platforms" otherwise I'd check out these alleged "Satanic practices" that were displayed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 20, 2021, 05:40:39 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-loving-principal-can-stay-despite-parents-petitioning-for-her-removal/

 :facepalm:

"The petition, titled 'Eden High School Principal, Sharon Burns, Needs to Be Transferred Immediately!' read, 'We are deeply disturbed that the principal assigned to the school blatantly showed Satanic symbols and her allegiance to Satanic practices on her public social media platforms where all the students can see them under @edenprincipal (not her personal account).'"

Didn't we move past this shit 35 years ago?

"More than 500 people signed the petition to transfer Burns. . . .

[P]

Meanwhile, a counter-petition supporting Burns garnered over 20,000 signatures."

At least there's that.

This almost sounds like a joke. I'm embarassed for those people. I really hope there's more to the story than just that fucking picture. I don't have FaceBooger or any other "public social media platforms" otherwise I'd check out these alleged "Satanic practices" that were displayed.

Don't use me as a guide, but all I saw was the "666" that she put in the picture.  Which, of course, is symbolic not of Satanic practices, but arguably their biggest album (certainly their breakthrough) and one of their biggest (certainly most iconic) songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on October 20, 2021, 10:02:08 AM
Seems to be only the picture.

I have an Instagram account (primarily for keeping an eye on my teenager), and I checked her page, and it looks like she removed the photo.

I wonder what Tipper Gore is doing these days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 20, 2021, 03:24:05 PM
I think with this story, it's actually more refreshing seeing the 20000 against these other muppets.  Definitely a positive there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on October 20, 2021, 05:37:20 PM
I think with this story, it's actually more refreshing seeing the 20000 against these other muppets.  Definitely a positive there.

Exactly, although I assume both of these things are online "petitions" of the sort that may make some folks feel good, but which are rarely (if ever) taken seriously by the person(s) or entity(ies) to whom they're directed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 20, 2021, 11:17:47 PM
Yet in this case expect the person to whom one petition was directed / ultimately served did in fact feel good to such a point they may well have celebrated with a wee small cry of 'Up the Irons'🤘

I certainly did 😉
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on October 21, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
Redirecting . . . Kev did you end up liking IM more than you thought you would?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Skeever on October 21, 2021, 12:22:32 PM
Note: I’m listening to the 1998 EMI remasters, and this is the first album I’ve had a problem with – the remastering is brickwalled to death and is truly, truly horrible, it’s a screech of clipped cymbals and actively hurt my ears. I wish I’d still got the original 1988 CD to compare it to. I note the booklet doesn’t include any remastering credits, all the albums so far have, but after this they don’t. This version is all but unlistenable - Does anyone know if the new remaster is any better?


I've got Somewhere on Time on vinyl (and I think it's one of the earlier pressings, i.e., not a "new because vinyl is cool again" press). And I also have Number of the Beast on vinyl (a recent re-issue). Both albums sound superb, much better than those remastered CDs which were my first exposure in the 00s.

Not that the CDs were bad... I suspect they were being remastered and compressed to sound good on headphones, but everything does sound squashed. The biggest giveaway is the drums - seems like a lot of life was sapped out of them in those CD remasters. Listening to the vinyl loudly on my stereo system is awesome, I hear so much detail I never heard before.
Anyway, I like both. Those CDs were perfect for a new kid trying to hear the music over a loud school bus, especially with all the linear notes and pictures. The vinyls are great for a guy who just wants to play them loud in the living room on the weekends.

 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on October 22, 2021, 08:50:43 AM
I fucking love the Senjutsu title track. So mighty!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2021, 08:54:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66e9tg3n4A

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 22, 2021, 11:06:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66e9tg3n4A

 :metal :metal :metal

A guitar solo cover BLOCKED in my country (Aus)!?

Seriously???
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 23, 2021, 01:45:58 AM
Blocked in the UK, too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on October 23, 2021, 01:49:17 AM
And in Sweden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2021, 05:18:52 AM
What the fuck?  Why blocked in so many countries?  :tdwn

Anyone have any ideas on why this has happened and what to do.

Blocked in my own fucking country?  Seriously?  FFS!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2021, 05:19:52 AM
And comments turned off?  I didn't fucking do that.

Edit:  yes I did.  That's fixed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 23, 2021, 08:32:48 AM
What the fuck?  Why blocked in so many countries?  :tdwn

Anyone have any ideas on why this has happened and what to do.

Blocked in my own fucking country?  Seriously?  FFS!

I imagine it's a copyright block. You could try uploading to Vimeo instead?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on October 23, 2021, 08:51:47 AM
Take Iron Maiden out of the title, still blocked.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 23, 2021, 09:26:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66e9tg3n4A

 :metal :metal :metal

Not blocked in the US, and this is awesome! Great job!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on October 23, 2021, 11:40:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66e9tg3n4A

 :metal :metal :metal

Not blocked in the US, and this is awesome! Great job!  :metal

Totally concur!  Awesome job wolfking.  Great feel in your playing.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: JediKnight1969 on October 23, 2021, 11:46:36 AM
And in Sweden.

Argentina too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on October 23, 2021, 04:01:26 PM
Also blocked here in Brazil, damn!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on October 23, 2021, 04:02:32 PM
Blocked in Canada too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2021, 04:45:25 PM
Take Iron Maiden out of the title, still blocked.

I tried that but didn't work.  Maybe I need to reupload without Iron Maiden in the title perhaps.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 24, 2021, 03:11:09 AM
I did watch your cover of Australian Crawl's Downhearted, which was really cool - and weird to see a John Petrucci signature guitar being used to play something so simple!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 24, 2021, 03:53:24 AM
I did watch your cover of Australian Crawl's Downhearted, which was really cool - and weird to see a John Petrucci signature guitar being used to play something so simple!!!

Ooooh will have search that out and watch, classic song by a classic band 🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 24, 2021, 03:57:29 AM
I did watch your cover of Australian Crawl's Downhearted, which was really cool - and weird to see a John Petrucci signature guitar being used to play something so simple!!!

Thanks mate.  Yeah there's a few cool vids of the duo I was in with a work colleague.  Used to do that a little bit on the side for a bit of fun.  Did a few Aussie Crawl songs and they were really fun to play.

Yeah, I love my JP guitar haha!

I did watch your cover of Australian Crawl's Downhearted, which was really cool - and weird to see a John Petrucci signature guitar being used to play something so simple!!!

Ooooh will have search that out and watch, classic song by a classic band 🤘

Indeed.   Wonderful band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on October 24, 2021, 07:49:04 AM
On Friday, I dreamt that my friend Guillermo and I found a CD copy of Seventh Son. Still in the dream, I told Guille how awesome the album is (eventhough, in real life, I hadn't listened to the whole thing ever). So, he bought it.

The tracklist of the CD was weird. It opened with "Aces High", and there was a three-part suite. The cover artwork was also different, and the title on it read En Vivo. But, it was Seventh Son.

Dickinson was in the dream as well. I gave him the CD and a pen, and asked him to dedicate it to my friend. Being the nice guy he is, Bruce signed it. I remember telling him this: "Please, dedicate it to Guillermo. 'Guillermo', as in 'Guillaume Tell'".

So, yesterday, I went to the local record store, and finally bought the one copy of Seventh Son that they had. It was high time I listened to the album.

Listened twice. So far, my favourite moments are in "Infinite Dreams" (the instrumental section) and the verses in "The Prophecy". I already knew "The Clairvoyant" and "The Evil That Men Do"; and, now, I like them even more.

On another note: isn't the cover artwork their prettiest to date? If you ignore Eddie on the front, it's actually a gorgeous piece of art.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 24, 2021, 12:46:43 PM
But was it as good as the three-part suite?

Seriously though, what a weird and cool way to get into the album. Glad to hear you liked it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 24, 2021, 03:33:27 PM
https://www.guitarworld.com/features/iron-maiden-senjutsu-track-by-track

Featuring Adrian and Janick
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 24, 2021, 03:49:27 PM
That was a great read.

Janick: "I can’t sit here and tell you this is the best album we’ve ever done. That would be stupid."

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 24, 2021, 03:54:12 PM
So refreshing to hear something like that. I love that guy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 24, 2021, 04:25:24 PM
So refreshing to hear something like that. I love that guy.

I've been really digging his solos on this album.  The Parchment he takes to another level.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 25, 2021, 02:07:07 AM

On another note: isn't the cover artwork their prettiest to date? If you ignore include Eddie on the front, it's actually a gorgeous piece of art.

FFTW
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on October 26, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66e9tg3n4A

 :metal :metal :metal

Not blocked in the US, and this is awesome! Great job!  :metal

I concur!  :metal I had missed this somehow. Fantastic job on a fantastic pair of solos!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 26, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
Cheers Nick.  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 27, 2021, 06:03:10 AM
Part Three…

The X Factor. First up, I love the cover, the photographic image of Eddie on the vivisection table. It’s different, and I really wish they’d have returned to this approach again, it’s one of my favourite Maiden covers. Everytime I listen to this album, I’m struck by how good it is. Sign of the Cross is a great Steve Harris epic to open, love the Gregorian choir on the intro, but you can hear the ghost of Bruce Dickinson hitting the high notes that Blaze doesn’t go for. Lord of the Flies and Man on the Edge really show what Blaze could do, the latter track has so much energy and stands up well next to anything the band had recorded up to this point. The album is dominated by Steve Harris compositions, but he mostly keeps them under the 7 minute mark, a degree of economy the band might benefit from today. Fortunes of War is unlike anything the band had done, The Aftermath is great, Blood on the World’s Hands has a bass intro that could be Geddy Lee or Flea, and 2AM is one of the most beautiful, personal and intimate songs the band have ever done, I love this track. This album reinvents Maiden without Bruce, reinvents Maiden for the 90s grunge era and screams that this is still a contemporary, relevant band with a solid future. It's an incredibly strong album and one of their best.

Virtual XVI. Futureal is brilliant, a solid ball of energy to kick start the album, but after that things go downhill. The Angel and the Gambler is horrible, I hate the “parp parp” keyboards, after using a real choir on the last album, they really should have used a real horn section for this. It’s also the point where the repetitive choruses, which have often been an issue, really become a problem. If you’re singing the same lines over and over, then the job of a good singer is to put a different inflexion onto each line. Blaze really doesn’t. In fact, for much of this album he seems to be phoning it in. The rest of the album is a lot better than I recalled, but there’s very little that’s memorable, When Two Worlds Collide being a surprise stand out. The Harris epics dominate the album, but this time they go on too long and unlike the last album there’s no concession to Blaze’s vocal range. The Clansman is perhaps the best known tune from this album, but this version makes little impression, Blaze is doing his best to sing a vocal line clearly written for Bruce, but his heart just isn’t in it. A lot of the songs are quite good in isolation, but in the context of the album are just more of the same. It’s not a bad album, but everyone involved seems to just be going through the motions. Oh, and it's got one of the worst covers of any IM album.

Gonna take a break before hitting the reunion era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 27, 2021, 06:04:08 AM
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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2021, 07:10:14 AM
I almost wonder if Virtual IX doesn't show a little of what Blaze was thinking, subliminally (I"ve thought the same thing about No Prayer and Fear Of The Dark and Bruce as well).  That unconscious fear/apprehension about "I have to sing this shit every night for a year and my voice isn't going to make it."

By the way, I don't share the loathing of Angel that others do; Blaze doesn't vary the delivery, but if memory serves, the BAND does.  What's the difference between the vocal repeating a pattern while everyone else changes, versus, say, a drummer playing the same repeating pattern while the singer changes?   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 27, 2021, 09:42:38 AM
Yes, the band varies what they're doing under The Angel and the Gambler's chorus a LOT. I like the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2021, 09:52:30 AM
I almost wonder if Virtual IX doesn't show a little of what Blaze was thinking, subliminally (I"ve thought the same thing about No Prayer and Fear Of The Dark and Bruce as well).  That unconscious fear/apprehension about "I have to sing this shit every night for a year and my voice isn't going to make it."

By the way, I don't share the loathing of Angel that others do; Blaze doesn't vary the delivery, but if memory serves, the BAND does.  What's the difference between the vocal repeating a pattern while everyone else changes, versus, say, a drummer playing the same repeating pattern while the singer changes?   

The drums play the same thing over and over in every song in existence really along with every rhythm section.  The vocals are more noticeable and standout more so when it's repeated, and as much as in this specific song, it's extremely noticeable and actually makes the underlying changes less noticeable. 

I personally can't enjoy the music when the vocals are that bad as they are in this song.  Other than the harp harp keyboards, the rest of the music in this song isn't that bad at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
I almost wonder if Virtual IX doesn't show a little of what Blaze was thinking, subliminally (I"ve thought the same thing about No Prayer and Fear Of The Dark and Bruce as well).  That unconscious fear/apprehension about "I have to sing this shit every night for a year and my voice isn't going to make it."

By the way, I don't share the loathing of Angel that others do; Blaze doesn't vary the delivery, but if memory serves, the BAND does.  What's the difference between the vocal repeating a pattern while everyone else changes, versus, say, a drummer playing the same repeating pattern while the singer changes?   

The drums play the same thing over and over in every song in existence really along with every rhythm section.  The vocals are more noticeable and standout more so when it's repeated, and as much as in this specific song, it's extremely noticeable and actually makes the underlying changes less noticeable. 

I personally can't enjoy the music when the vocals are that bad as they are in this song.  Other than the harp harp keyboards, the rest of the music in this song isn't that bad at all.

That's a fair point, Marc.  The drums are doing something else - keeping time - and are historically an accompaniment, not a lead instrument.  The vocals are by definition a lead instrument. 

But still, I offer that as some perspective.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on October 27, 2021, 10:16:23 AM
So...I've never listened to the two albums with Bailey singing, so I don't have an opinion, but I ran across this post on Reddit and thought it was just hilarious.  Again, I neither agree nor disagree and just found it funny:

"I just listened to a song that blaze sings on for the first time. I am a classic maiden fan, so I really haven't listened to anything beyond the 80s albums.

"How/why in the flying fuck did they hire this guy? He's a horrible singer. He's not as bad, as say Mustaine. But at least Mustaine has that weird, unique, screechy, sounds like you have a devil in your throat quality to it. Blaze is one of the most bland singers I've ever heard. He sounds like a card board box, meets an almond, meets a vanilla ice cream cone, meets a block of tofu.

"He's like the equivalent one of those kids who are with their parents at the mall. And one of the kid model/talent agent predators comes up to a parent and tells them that their kid should be a model and convinces the parent to pay them a lot of money so they can get their foot in the door. I am convinced this is what happened to blaze. At some point he was young and was in a school choir or something and some adult told him he should be a professional singer or something for some sort of financial gain to that adult and this is why blaze made it in the industry.

"But the real insanity/confusion is why/how in the flying fuck did the rest of the band agree to signing him on? Was blaze sleeping with the band's manager or something? I really just don't get it.

"I just listened to his earlier stuff on Wolfsbane and he's bad there too. So it's not like he was some great singer at one point and that's why he got hired. The dude has always had a bad voice.

"Going from Bruce to blaze is like the equivalent of someone finding a sexual partner with the same sexual chemistry and having the best sex of your life. To going home alone and wacking off by yourself to some horrible bone movie (yes that was an ozzy reference).

"Please someone help me understand how this guy became the lead singer of Iron fucking Maiden."

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 27, 2021, 12:22:02 PM
I really just think that this way of expressing your dislike of a singer is gratuitous. You can just say you don't think he's a good singer.

And, going back to a discussion from a few pages ago, when you have a climate of people saying things like this, it really shouldn't be a surprise that Blaze's fans can be a little defensive. Over 20 years later and he's still the subject of vicious mocking internet posts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on October 27, 2021, 12:26:12 PM
I don't disagree with that reddit post. His voice is completely unappealing and makes them sound so amateurish. The mixing doesn't do him any favors either. His voice isn't blended well and seems to sit on top of the music which only highlights just how painfully bland and out of place his voice is. I often wonder how they settled on him when there were probably tons of singers available who were a little more in line with Bruce's style. It's possible they wanted to go 180 from Bruce and that's why they chose Blaze, but what a horrendous choice in hindsight.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on October 27, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
It is a pretty harsh way of saying it and I would never express my opinion of Blaze like that but at the end of the day I totally agree with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 27, 2021, 03:04:32 PM
The other thing about that way of putting it is that it sort of implies that everyone who doesn't share the poster's taste is an idiot. "This singer could only have become successful as a result of an elaborate prank" is actually not more plausible than "Some people like things that I don't like."

I just don't get what's wrong with "I don't like his voice." It costs nothing to show people a modicum of respect—except, I guess, that it doesn't get you as many upvotes on reddit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on October 27, 2021, 04:23:33 PM
I just think it's hilarious.  "He sounds like a card board box, meets an almond, meets a vanilla ice cream cone, meets a block of tofu" might be one of the funniest things I've ever read!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 27, 2021, 08:27:11 PM
I don't disagree with that reddit post. His voice is completely unappealing and makes them sound so amateurish. The mixing doesn't do him any favors either. His voice isn't blended well and seems to sit on top of the music which only highlights just how painfully bland and out of place his voice is. I often wonder how they settled on him when there were probably tons of singers available who were a little more in line with Bruce's style. It's possible they wanted to go 180 from Bruce and that's why they chose Blaze, but what a horrendous choice in hindsight.

Management. Same reason why Gary Cherone ended up in Van Halen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 27, 2021, 08:32:40 PM
I just think it's hilarious.  "He sounds like a card board box, meets an almond, meets a vanilla ice cream cone, meets a block of tofu" might be one of the funniest things I've ever read!

Hey, what's wrong with almonds?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 27, 2021, 08:33:03 PM
Vanilla ice cream is also good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on October 27, 2021, 09:27:07 PM
I just think it's hilarious.  "He sounds like a card board box, meets an almond, meets a vanilla ice cream cone, meets a block of tofu" might be one of the funniest things I've ever read!

That is like one of those SAT questions:

Blaze Bayley is to rock vocalists as _________ is to nuts.

A) Cashew
B) Peanut
C) Almond
D) Pistachio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on October 27, 2021, 10:16:58 PM
Apart from the personal taste thing, I think it's funny how bewildered people are at Blaze being hired. I know hindsight is 20/20, but it makes a lot of sense to me that Steve would push for someone so absolutely un-Bruce-ish. That way, any success on their end would instantly mean "we're pulling through with zero need for our former vocalist who's trashing us in the press".

It may seem petty, but it's not like they kicked Bruce out, right? I don't fault the band for trying to do things differently – just imagining them hiring one of the many singers they may have considered (Doogie White, James LaBrie apparently, Andre Matos, Ralf Scheepers or whatever) with a range similar to Bruce's makes me cringe. Whoever were hired would hit high the notes, but would they stop there? Wouldn't they perhaps start copying the mannerisms and overall aesthetics – thus inevitably leading the press to comment on how they got a copycat, while Bruce was still the real deal? How would the studio albums be like?

I'm just spitballing and playing devil's advocate (a practice I will now refer to as "satanic drooling"), but I do really value the fact that the band went for something unique, even if it was a clumsy affair (with not enough rehearsal for the X-Factour and some misguided setlist choices, which I absolutely do agree that are issues with the band at the time). I'd say the albums are pretty solid for what they are and that, when they were "on" live, they were great.

Watching one of the last concerts with Blaze at the helm (perhaps the last one), at Curitiba in 1998, I was astounded at how the band felt into what they were doing, even though all members on stage (barring Blaze) knew there'd be a singer change soon. There was some camaraderie even amidst some turmoil, and you can tell everyone was trying to make the best out of what they had.

tl;dr I'm glad this phase in the band exists and, even if you hate it, I'm not sure it's that incomprehensible that Blaze got the job.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on October 27, 2021, 10:25:22 PM
Did some reading about Maiden on Wikipedia, I do not have a firm grasp of their early history, and this made me chuckle.

Di'Anno: "There can't be anyone else and my character is too strong for that so me an' Steve was always fighting..."
Stratton: "Dennis Stratton left Iron Maiden in October 1980, and has stated that he left due to conflicts with Steve Harris..."
Burr: "Bruce Dickinson's 2017 autobiography suggests Burr was ousted due to personality conflicts with Steve Harris..."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 27, 2021, 11:23:51 PM
Did some reading about Maiden on Wikipedia, I do not have a firm grasp of their early history, and this made me chuckle.

Di'Anno: "There can't be anyone else and my character is too strong for that so me an' Steve was always fighting..."
Stratton: "Dennis Stratton left Iron Maiden in October 1980, and has stated that he left due to conflicts with Steve Harris..."
Burr: "Bruce Dickinson's 2017 autobiography suggests Burr was ousted due to personality conflicts with Steve Harris..."

And yet….I do think that while all these claims are probable, Steve met his match in Bruce. The difference being that Steve had to finally realize that Bruce was irreplaceable, and that he was going to be forced by necessity to tolerate an ego the same size as his.

Case in point: when Bruce mouthed off about the Osbourne’s during Ozzfest (prompting an extremely infantile response from $haron) it was Steve who extended the olive branch to to the Osbourne’s to apologize for his lead singer’s behavior.

(I personally think Bruce was having a bit of a good natured ribbing at the Osbourne’s expense and $haron is just a vindictive witch…but whatever)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 28, 2021, 01:15:09 AM
I've never actually seen or heard what was exactly said by Bruce on those Ozzfest concerts, but whatever it was, it is kind of an odd move. You are invited by a band to open the tour and you opt for badmouthing the singer of the band. That's not particularly classy, and yet, that's what Bruce does every now and then. He stirrs things up with fellow musicians.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 28, 2021, 01:24:26 AM
I've never actually seen or heard what was exactly said by Bruce on those Ozzfest concerts, but whatever it was, it is kind of an odd move. You are invited by a band to open the tour and you opt for badmouthing the singer of the band. That's not particularly classy, and yet, that's what Bruce does every now and then. He stirrs things up with fellow musicians.

http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=15121

I looked it up. It seems like Bruce had a pretty decent reason to be upset.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 28, 2021, 03:56:07 AM
Yes, but that was Sharon's payback for Bruce's comments. However, there are no videos nor sound clips of Bruce's comments from shows prior to that one. It's not that I'm justifying Sharon. I would just like to know what was it that Bruce kept saying that made Steve Harris go and apologize to Ozzy before the whole Eggfest thing was orchestrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 28, 2021, 06:38:01 AM
The other thing about that way of putting it is that it sort of implies that everyone who doesn't share the poster's taste is an idiot. "This singer could only have become successful as a result of an elaborate prank" is actually not more plausible than "Some people like things that I don't like."

I just don't get what's wrong with "I don't like his voice." It costs nothing to show people a modicum of respect—except, I guess, that it doesn't get you as many upvotes on reddit.


While I think some of the phrasing is funny - I agree with PG on that one line - I'm with you.  There's no "intelligence" or "superiority" to whether one likes something or not.  I'm a pretty goddamn smart guy, but I'm aware enough that what I "like' is visceral.  I either do or I don't, and there's not a lot of analysis to that (except after, when I try to figure out what I tend to like - oh, it's melody!).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 28, 2021, 06:44:33 AM
Did some reading about Maiden on Wikipedia, I do not have a firm grasp of their early history, and this made me chuckle.

Di'Anno: "There can't be anyone else and my character is too strong for that so me an' Steve was always fighting..."
Stratton: "Dennis Stratton left Iron Maiden in October 1980, and has stated that he left due to conflicts with Steve Harris..."
Burr: "Bruce Dickinson's 2017 autobiography suggests Burr was ousted due to personality conflicts with Steve Harris..."

And yet….I do think that while all these claims are probable, Steve met his match in Bruce. The difference being that Steve had to finally realize that Bruce was irreplaceable, and that he was going to be forced by necessity to tolerate an ego the same size as his.

Case in point: when Bruce mouthed off about the Osbourne’s during Ozzfest (prompting an extremely infantile response from $haron) it was Steve who extended the olive branch to to the Osbourne’s to apologize for his lead singer’s behavior.

(I personally think Bruce was having a bit of a good natured ribbing at the Osbourne’s expense and $haron is just a vindictive witch…but whatever)

I wasn't there, I don't know for a fact, but there HAD to be a reckoning of sorts between Bruce and Steve, because Bruce - apparently - has a lot of say in the presentation of Iron Maiden.  I won't assume they are equal partners, but if you believe the press, much of the setlist, the theatrics and styling of the Legacy tour was all Bruce.   I know as I get older I still fight, but I pick my battles better.  Maybe the whole Blaze (Steve) and solo diversion (Bruce) experiences were humbling enough for each for them to find their own territories to fight for. 

As for Ozzy/Sharon/Bruce, I'm not on the "I hate Sharon" train - even if I have my quibbles with her handling of Ozzy's catalogue - and Bruce isn't shy.  I find that being a fan of his for 40 years, his humor is not ALWAYS self-evident.  He's said some things - all the way back to the Beast On The Road video in '82, up to the Legacy tour I saw in Hartford - that could EASILY be interpreted with as much "Fuck you!" in them than "I'm just playin'!".  I know he mocks MTV regularly - where the Obsourne's show was aired - and I know he mocked the idea of the reality show.   He has in the past mocked monitors/teleprompters (ask Rob Halford about that) so I presume that was on the table (Ozzy is well known to rely on a teleprompter for the entire set, even with Sabbath, stuff he's sung for 50 years).   He's my guy, but I'm not ready to just assume he was right and Sharon was a c***. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 28, 2021, 07:59:30 AM
Bruce had been saying the same thing since 1999 when they reunited - that Maiden was not going to be a nostalgia band, that they were going to continue to write new music and play it live.  He said it on the Ed Hunter tour, the Give Me Ed tour, and the Early Days tours, which were all built on nostalgia and playing rare/classic songs live. 

His intent was to clarify that despite the setlist that fans were hearing those nights, Maiden was never going to become that type of band and fans could anticipate new material.

He just chose to say that stuff when they were opening for Sabbath, who were at the time, a nostalgia band and had not written new material with Ozzy for years and years.  I've never felt that he was specifically insulting Sabbath, he just didn't think about the optics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 28, 2021, 08:39:37 AM
Apart from the personal taste thing, I think it's funny how bewildered people are at Blaze being hired. I know hindsight is 20/20, but it makes a lot of sense to me that Steve would push for someone so absolutely un-Bruce-ish. That way, any success on their end would instantly mean "we're pulling through with zero need for our former vocalist who's trashing us in the press".

It may seem petty, but it's not like they kicked Bruce out, right? I don't fault the band for trying to do things differently – just imagining them hiring one of the many singers they may have considered (Doogie White, James LaBrie apparently, Andre Matos, Ralf Scheepers or whatever) with a range similar to Bruce's makes me cringe. Whoever were hired would hit high the notes, but would they stop there? Wouldn't they perhaps start copying the mannerisms and overall aesthetics – thus inevitably leading the press to comment on how they got a copycat, while Bruce was still the real deal? How would the studio albums be like?

I'm just spitballing and playing devil's advocate (a practice I will now refer to as "satanic drooling"), but I do really value the fact that the band went for something unique, even if it was a clumsy affair (with not enough rehearsal for the X-Factour and some misguided setlist choices, which I absolutely do agree that are issues with the band at the time). I'd say the albums are pretty solid for what they are and that, when they were "on" live, they were great.

Watching one of the last concerts with Blaze at the helm (perhaps the last one), at Curitiba in 1998, I was astounded at how the band felt into what they were doing, even though all members on stage (barring Blaze) knew there'd be a singer change soon. There was some camaraderie even amidst some turmoil, and you can tell everyone was trying to make the best out of what they had.

tl;dr I'm glad this phase in the band exists and, even if you hate it, I'm not sure it's that incomprehensible that Blaze got the job.

Basically this.

As you said, insight is 20/20, but it's not so hard to fathom why they would want someone different from Bruce. Also, he had to be british.

I don't think that James LaBrie was really "considered" - I think / assume Rod Smallwood did talk to him, this actually happened and James confirmed it, and if James would have shown interest, he would have lobbied for him with Steve, "come on, let's get this guy, who cares if he's canadian". And Steve Harris would have still said no and would have wanted a british singer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 28, 2021, 10:23:45 AM
Bruce had been saying the same thing since 1999 when they reunited - that Maiden was not going to be a nostalgia band, that they were going to continue to write new music and play it live.  He said it on the Ed Hunter tour, the Give Me Ed tour, and the Early Days tours, which were all built on nostalgia and playing rare/classic songs live. 

His intent was to clarify that despite the setlist that fans were hearing those nights, Maiden was never going to become that type of band and fans could anticipate new material.

He just chose to say that stuff when they were opening for Sabbath, who were at the time, a nostalgia band and had not written new material with Ozzy for years and years.  I've never felt that he was specifically insulting Sabbath, he just didn't think about the optics.

You might be on to something; that was 2005, and Sabbath, after fits and starts, later put out 13 in 2013 (a very solid record, BTW). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
Did some reading about Maiden on Wikipedia, I do not have a firm grasp of their early history, and this made me chuckle.

Di'Anno: "There can't be anyone else and my character is too strong for that so me an' Steve was always fighting..."
Stratton: "Dennis Stratton left Iron Maiden in October 1980, and has stated that he left due to conflicts with Steve Harris..."
Burr: "Bruce Dickinson's 2017 autobiography suggests Burr was ousted due to personality conflicts with Steve Harris..."

And yet….I do think that while all these claims are probable, Steve met his match in Bruce. The difference being that Steve had to finally realize that Bruce was irreplaceable, and that he was going to be forced by necessity to tolerate an ego the same size as his.

Case in point: when Bruce mouthed off about the Osbourne’s during Ozzfest (prompting an extremely infantile response from $haron) it was Steve who extended the olive branch to to the Osbourne’s to apologize for his lead singer’s behavior.

(I personally think Bruce was having a bit of a good natured ribbing at the Osbourne’s expense and $haron is just a vindictive witch…but whatever)

I wasn't there, I don't know for a fact, but there HAD to be a reckoning of sorts between Bruce and Steve, because Bruce - apparently - has a lot of say in the presentation of Iron Maiden.  I won't assume they are equal partners, but if you believe the press, much of the setlist, the theatrics and styling of the Legacy tour was all Bruce.   I know as I get older I still fight, but I pick my battles better.  Maybe the whole Blaze (Steve) and solo diversion (Bruce) experiences were humbling enough for each for them to find their own territories to fight for. 



Well, I think that's pretty much it in a nutshell.


Balls To Picasso was really eye opening. I was never a big Bruce guy, but I remember being floored by it. I was think that geez, Bruce is really fucking talented.

Bruce emerged from his solo jaunt a much stronger voice and artist than he was when he left the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 28, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
Change Balls to Picasso to Accident of Birth and totally agree.  His solo work before that, to me, was not too impressive. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2021, 12:05:03 PM
I found Balls To Picasso so unique and different. Accident Of Birth, while AWESOME, was something familiar.

On BTP, it really became obvious to me just how talented of an artist that he was. It was so different to what he was doing with Maiden. I think he worked great with the Tribe Of Gypsies vibe. Of course the band was present along with Adrian on AoB, but as so good as it was, it never really struck me as anything new. Just something that was really strong.

When I got BTP, and had TXF to compare it too, it became really obvious that Bruce, even before the split, helped maintain an incredible amount of artistic balance in Maiden, helping to offset Steve.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 28, 2021, 12:07:18 PM
Bruce had been saying the same thing since 1999 when they reunited - that Maiden was not going to be a nostalgia band, that they were going to continue to write new music and play it live.  He said it on the Ed Hunter tour, the Give Me Ed tour, and the Early Days tours, which were all built on nostalgia and playing rare/classic songs live. 

His intent was to clarify that despite the setlist that fans were hearing those nights, Maiden was never going to become that type of band and fans could anticipate new material.

He just chose to say that stuff when they were opening for Sabbath, who were at the time, a nostalgia band and had not written new material with Ozzy for years and years.  I've never felt that he was specifically insulting Sabbath, he just didn't think about the optics.

You might be on to something; that was 2005, and Sabbath, after fits and starts, later put out 13 in 2013 (a very solid record, BTW).

The last full length Sabbath album released was Forbidden, in 1995.  Reunion came out in 1999 - a live album with two new tracks. 

Maiden had put out two full length albums (BNW, DOD), two live albums (RIR, DOTR) and The Early Days DVD by 2005.  In addition to TXF and VXI with Blaze in between 1995 and 1999.


It's how I've always seen Bruce's stage banter and the egg-throwing situation.  I was surprised that Sharon took it as a slight against Sabbath, when Bruce had been saying it for years already.  His targets were likely bands like The Eagles, Kiss, and others who reunited and played greatest hits shows for big bucks without backing it up by continuing to be creative.  Sabbath certainly gets lumped in that group, but they weren't the only ones.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2021, 12:33:00 PM
Didn't Bruce also rail against the sound system for the shows.?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 28, 2021, 12:40:32 PM
Didn't Bruce also rail against the sound system for the shows.?

According to Sharon's statement, he did.  I read something else where he also supposedly made cracks about reality TV stars (The Osbournes).

Even then, the main complaint in her statement is the nostalgia thing.  She also complained that he waved the English flag in America (during The Trooper  :metal ) and she was bothered by that, given that the US had just entered wars in the middle east. 

It's just Sharon not being up on what Iron Maiden's live show is about.  None of this was news to fans, and I don't think any fans felt slighted by Bruce. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 28, 2021, 12:48:57 PM
I bet she felt more slighted than anyone else because the fans generally were wanting IM to play a longer set on that tour as they had done in Europe and on the few dates Ozzy couldn't perform.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2021, 01:01:01 PM
Bruce seemed to have a hair across his ass on that tour. Not a Sharon fan, but generally not a Bruce fan in these kinds of things either.

I seem to remember her saying that they paid Maiden $400,000 per show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 28, 2021, 01:10:20 PM
Bruce seemed to have a hair across his ass on that tour. Not a Sharon fan, but generally not a Bruce fan in these kinds of things either.

I seem to remember her saying that they paid Maiden $400,000 per show.

Yeah, from what I understand, I think Bruce took it a bit too far.  Biting the hand that feeds in a way.  Pretty unprofessional IMO.  Of course her response was worse, but Bruce could have held back some words and things wouldn't of gotten out of hand.  Ozzfest 2005 was my first time seeing IM (and Black Sabbath).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 28, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
I found Balls To Picasso so unique and different. Accident Of Birth, while AWESOME, was something familiar.

On BTP, it really became obvious to me just how talented of an artist that he was. It was so different to what he was doing with Maiden. I think he worked great with the Tribe Of Gypsies vibe. Of course the band was present along with Adrian on AoB, but as so good as it was, it never really struck me as anything new. Just something that was really strong.

When I got BTP, and had TXF to compare it too, it became really obvious that Bruce, even before the split, helped maintain an incredible amount of artistic balance in Maiden, helping to offset Steve.

I tihnk you have that right.   There really was some unique stuff on that record, and if you know the story, he worked for it. Hard.  There are like three versions of that record (including the released one) because they kept going back and redoing it (one was produced by Keith Olsen, who did some Sammy Hagar, and the US version of Whitesnake's Slide It In.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 28, 2021, 01:55:39 PM
My only point in bringing that up is that it’s obvious that Steve had parted ways with anyone else in the band that had an issue with Steve. But he found he couldn’t dismiss Bruce so easily. As was mentioned, both had to humble themselves a bit and meet in the middle.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on October 28, 2021, 01:59:33 PM
On the Bruce vs. Ozzfest thing, he does have a bit of a history... When Iron Maiden came to Brazil in January 2004 for the Dance of Death tour, Bruce riled the crowd up with a mid-set speech about how "when we promise we're coming to São Paulo, we come to fucking São Paulo!", which was a pretty direct jab at Metallica having canceled their November 2003 dates in Brazil – apparently due to exhaustion, though there's some funny business about them scheduling other dates at the time as well.

This got the whole crowd to chant "Ei, Metallica, vai tomar no cu!" ("Hey, Metallica, up your ass", "fuck you" pretty much), so I spent a few years thinking there was some kind of feud between the bands... and now I don't think there ever really was. Steve was attending Metallica shows a few years later and Bruce even had James on his radio show for an interview in 2011.

I do think he overdid it at Ozzfest, though. He must've learned a lesson, though, because I don't think he's tried provoking other artists that much since 2005 (other than the odd joke about the Spice Girls, if I remember correctly).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on October 28, 2021, 02:32:29 PM
I just figured it was Bruce's thing having to trash talk something. That 1st Maiden show I saw, Bruce said something to effect of: "We just got back from California where the men are a bunch of pansies! With their ponytails. It's great to be in Texas where the men are men. " I honestly don't know if he's serious about this sort of stuff, or if it's just something he says to get a rise out of everybody.  I thought it was hilarious and so did most of the crowd. So Bruce talking shit about _____  just seems par for the course.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 28, 2021, 02:46:14 PM
Yep. Bruce gonna Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 28, 2021, 02:50:19 PM
Did some reading about Maiden on Wikipedia, I do not have a firm grasp of their early history, and this made me chuckle.

Di'Anno: "There can't be anyone else and my character is too strong for that so me an' Steve was always fighting..."
Stratton: "Dennis Stratton left Iron Maiden in October 1980, and has stated that he left due to conflicts with Steve Harris..."
Burr: "Bruce Dickinson's 2017 autobiography suggests Burr was ousted due to personality conflicts with Steve Harris..."

I sort of wonder to what extent this is just the reason that is said to avoid talking about any other reasons. I have no doubt that Steve is a strong personality and not the easiest guy to work with, but I think it's also pretty well-known that Di'Anno had issues with substance abuse that affected the band's ability to tour. Similar things have been said about Clive, although that seems to be more in dispute. And with Stratton, one factor surely was that Steve and Dave really wanted Adrian Smith (sort of a Sherinian/Rudess scenario).

It seems like "personality conflicts with Steve" might be the nicest accurate reason to give when there are other reasons going on behind the scenes as well. (Addiction, in particular, is not something to take lightly and not something that everyone who's struggling with it wants blasted out to the whole world.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 28, 2021, 03:09:54 PM
Did some reading about Maiden on Wikipedia, I do not have a firm grasp of their early history, and this made me chuckle.

Di'Anno: "There can't be anyone else and my character is too strong for that so me an' Steve was always fighting..."
Stratton: "Dennis Stratton left Iron Maiden in October 1980, and has stated that he left due to conflicts with Steve Harris..."
Burr: "Bruce Dickinson's 2017 autobiography suggests Burr was ousted due to personality conflicts with Steve Harris..."

I sort of wonder to what extent this is just the reason that is said to avoid talking about any other reasons. I have no doubt that Steve is a strong personality and not the easiest guy to work with, but I think it's also pretty well-known that Di'Anno had issues with substance abuse that affected the band's ability to tour. Similar things have been said about Clive, although that seems to be more in dispute. And with Stratton, one factor surely was that Steve and Dave really wanted Adrian Smith (sort of a Sherinian/Rudess scenario).

It seems like "personality conflicts with Steve" might be the nicest accurate reason to give when there are other reasons going on behind the scenes as well. (Addiction, in particular, is not something to take lightly and not something that everyone who's struggling with it wants blasted out to the whole world.)

I know with Stratton there were real musical differences; supposedly Dennis went in one night after hours and added a bunch of harmony guitars and backing vocals to the "Phantom Of The Opera" track without telling anyone.   That's not really passive, and not really JUST Steve being inflexible.   And Di'Anno has been pretty vocal about his disagreements - particularly about songwriting.

And at the end of the day, I don't recall sitting here drooling over the latest Dennis Stratton double CD, and I'm not drooling over going to see Paul Di'Anno in an arena on his spring tour.   So Steve is doing SOMETHING right.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 29, 2021, 08:37:56 AM
Dianno's issue was his erratic behaviour, and his involvement in fights - reportedly, they had to cancel a gig or two because he was arrested. And Clive was using a lot of drugs when they were doing the Beast on the Road tour. I spoke with the keyboard player of Alcatrazz a few years ago - Clive reportedly worked with them a few week after he was fired from Maiden - and he said he was in very bad shape at the time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on October 30, 2021, 03:26:05 PM
I found Balls To Picasso so unique and different. Accident Of Birth, while AWESOME, was something familiar.

On BTP, it really became obvious to me just how talented of an artist that he was. It was so different to what he was doing with Maiden. I think he worked great with the Tribe Of Gypsies vibe. Of course the band was present along with Adrian on AoB, but as so good as it was, it never really struck me as anything new. Just something that was really strong.

When I got BTP, and had TXF to compare it too, it became really obvious that Bruce, even before the split, helped maintain an incredible amount of artistic balance in Maiden, helping to offset Steve.

Very much agree with this. I don't LOVE all of Balls to Picasso, but there was so much interesting stuff on it. And, coming from No Prayer and Fear of the Dark, I remember I couldn't believe how good Bruce sounded on it. I mean, completely rejuvenated. I get that in part the way he sounded on those two Maiden albums was on purpose (raspier voice and such) but, man, I thought his singing on his solo records was as good as ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 30, 2021, 03:33:59 PM
When I heard BTP, my thought was that Bruce was really more than just a singer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on October 30, 2021, 03:40:03 PM
When I heard BTP, my thought was that Bruce was really more than just a singer.

Definitely
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Post by: wolfking on October 30, 2021, 03:56:02 PM
I loved that album from the first listen.
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Post by: TAC on October 30, 2021, 04:13:00 PM
It sounded so fresh. I was unexpectedly amazed by it.
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Post by: Glasser on October 30, 2021, 04:13:20 PM
When I heard BTP, my thought was that Bruce was really more than just a singer.


Temple Balls To Picasso?  :lol
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Post by: TAC on October 30, 2021, 04:13:51 PM
 :facepalm:

 :lol :lol
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Post by: wolfking on October 30, 2021, 05:32:10 PM
The only song I never really liked was Clowns, but I don't have any real issue with it now.
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Post by: TAC on October 30, 2021, 05:36:47 PM
The drum sound on that album is impeccable. I love when Dave Ingraham comes in on 1000 Points Of Light.

RoyZ rips it in the verse of Space Cowboys. Great tune.
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Post by: wolfking on October 30, 2021, 05:38:10 PM
The drum sound on that album is impeccable. I love when Dave Ingraham comes in on 1000 Points Of Light.

RoyZ rips it in the verse of Space Cowboys. Great tune.

It's Sacred Cowboys haha.

I think Ingrahan is a really underrated drummer, love his work.
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Post by: TAC on October 30, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
It's Sacred Cowboys haha.

Yeah, I like that one too. :lol




I think Ingrahan is a really underrated drummer, love his work.

That band was great. When I saw them, I was as interested in seeing them as I was with seeing Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 30, 2021, 05:41:55 PM
Fuck, you've seen Bruce solo too.  I know you saw him on the Tatooed Millionaire tour, unless I'm wrong?  You saw later tours also?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 30, 2021, 05:43:25 PM
Fuck, you've seen Bruce solo too.  I know you saw him on the Tatooed Millionaire tour, unless I'm wrong?  You saw later tours also?

Yeah!

I saw the Tattooed Millionaire tour and the Accident Of Birth tour. With Adrian!


Each time I saw him he had a future and a past Iron Maiden guitarist with him. :lol
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Post by: porcacultor on October 30, 2021, 06:00:57 PM
I think the thing I lament the most about Bruce's solo career is that the "Tribe of Gypsies + Adrian Smith" lineup didn't carry forward into Tyranny of Souls. I have no idea what happened there, but I sure missed Eddie Casillas and David Ingraham. David's feel in The Tower and Book of Thel just blow me away.

Apparently David has been playing for a band called Young Dubliners, just started checking them out and it sounds pretty cool! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoKqsTsY9Sw
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Post by: TAC on October 30, 2021, 06:03:36 PM
Somebody recommended The Young Dubliners to me in the past year. Never really followed up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 31, 2021, 01:20:41 AM
I found Balls To Picasso so unique and different. Accident Of Birth, while AWESOME, was something familiar.

On BTP, it really became obvious to me just how talented of an artist that he was. It was so different to what he was doing with Maiden. I think he worked great with the Tribe Of Gypsies vibe. Of course the band was present along with Adrian on AoB, but as so good as it was, it never really struck me as anything new. Just something that was really strong.

When I got BTP, and had TXF to compare it too, it became really obvious that Bruce, even before the split, helped maintain an incredible amount of artistic balance in Maiden, helping to offset Steve.

Agreed

While if had to choose would take Accident over Balls and probably over Chemical too by a pinch, Balls To Picasso though, outstanding moments on that record, God's Of War, Shoot All The Clowns, Change Of Heart and the definitive Bruce Dickinson song Tears Of A Dragon worth the price alone \m/
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Post by: DoctorAction on October 31, 2021, 01:24:31 AM
I hated Tattooed Millionaire so completely ignored Bruce until a fair time after Accident came out and bought that based on reviews and carried on with subsequent releases but never looked back before AOB. Sounds like I need to go and check out Balls To Picasso.
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Post by: wolfking on October 31, 2021, 03:47:43 AM
I hated Tattooed Millionaire so completed ignored Bruce until a fair time after Accident came out and bought that based on reviews and carried on with subsequent releases but never looked back before AOB. Sounds like I need to go and check out Balls To Picasso.

Skunkworks is amazing IMO.
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Post by: WardySI on October 31, 2021, 04:33:38 AM
I hated Tattooed Millionaire so completed ignored Bruce until a fair time after Accident came out and bought that based on reviews and carried on with subsequent releases but never looked back before AOB. Sounds like I need to go and check out Balls To Picasso.

Skunkworks is amazing IMO.

I'll second this!

Certainly appreciate why it wasn't embrassed by the masses and it doesn't quite hold up to anything since Accident but Skunkworks is a brilliant set of songs and at the time a fantastic departure by Bruce.  I really wish he had done a couple more records as Skunkworks with that same lineup all the while continuing on with his name solo albums...

LOVE Solar Confinement, should've been a single if not the lead single IMO :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd038PFrjXs
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 31, 2021, 04:36:23 AM
That song is a definite fav.  Inside the Machine my other fav, but really I find everything here really good.  Back From the Edge, Inertia, Innerspace, so many great tunes.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 31, 2021, 04:38:53 AM
Yea I also always had a thing for Skunkworks. Brilliant album that's so diffrent from anything he's done.
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Post by: wolfking on October 31, 2021, 04:42:21 AM
I highly recommend the reissues of all Bruce's albums with the second cd (besides AOB and CW).  So many amazing b-sides, well worth purchasing.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 31, 2021, 04:55:42 AM
Is this the love train for Balls to Picasso and Skunkworks? 'cause I want in  :metal

Both great albums, yeah sure, I won't deny how fantastically amazing Accident and Wedding are, but those album are unique gems in Bruce's repertoire and they're full of great songs. It's nice to see some love for Solar Confinement, amazing track!
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Post by: WardySI on October 31, 2021, 05:15:16 AM
Skunkworks was one of three records that had quite the impact on me during a challenging 96, Skunkworks, Soundgarden's Down On The Upside and Powderfinger's Double Allergic.   Didn't quite appreciate this at the time because I buried myself in their music, but these three albums now remain significant to me and continue to deliver after all these years.

The beauty of music :metal



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 31, 2021, 05:19:07 AM
Skunkworks was one of three records that had quite the impact on me during a challenging 96, Skunkworks, Soundgarden's Down On The Upside and Powderfinger's Double Allergic.   Didn't quite appreciate this at the time because I buried myself in their music, but these three albums now remain significant to me and continue to deliver after all these years.

The beauty of music :metal

That Soungarden album was a big one for me too.  Such a great album.

Never a big Powderfinger can but jeez, Pick You Up is such and incredible song.  DAF too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 31, 2021, 05:32:09 AM
Skunkworks was one of three records that had quite the impact on me during a challenging 96, Skunkworks, Soundgarden's Down On The Upside and Powderfinger's Double Allergic.   Didn't quite appreciate this at the time because I buried myself in their music, but these three albums now remain significant to me and continue to deliver after all these years.

The beauty of music :metal

That Soungarden album was a big one for me too.  Such a great album.

Never a big Powderfinger can but jeez, Pick You Up is such and incredible song.  DAF too.

Yeah both great songs although there were some others up there too in Give, Turtles Head, Take Me In and the overlooked but epic Oipic although nothing quite hit as hard as Stitches, a song from their preceeding EP where I discovered the band...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3XZ3LLCHq8

And they never again made an album as strong as Double Allergic, followup Internationalist was okay and Odyssey #5 was their peak for quality songs such were My Kind Of Scene, These Days, My Happiness, Waiting For The Sun and more but sadly by then they'd lost their alternative metal edge.

Another 96 album that served well was Horsehead's Onism but arguably not as strong as their debut or Goodby Mothership but I digress ;)

Anyway, Skunkworks right? :metal ;D
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Post by: DoctorAction on October 31, 2021, 07:54:32 AM
I had to do some Googling to work out what I was listening to in 96. The two biggest ones would definitely have been:

Corrosion Of Conformity - Wiseblood
The Wildhearts - Fishing for Luckies
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 01, 2021, 07:47:13 AM
I highly recommend the reissues of all Bruce's albums with the second cd (besides AOB and CW).  So many amazing b-sides, well worth purchasing.

Dammit!!!  I was going to say this!   The 2-CD set of both BTP and Skunkworks are AMAZING.  Cool live stuff, cool (for the most part) b-sides, and the BTP set has some insight into the two versions that were done prior to the main release (read the liner notes). 
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Post by: nick_z on November 01, 2021, 07:56:42 AM
Adding my appreciation for Skunkworks. Great album with super-cool songs (Back from the Edge was such a good single) and another fantastic performance by Bruce
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Post by: Stadler on November 01, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
 Bruce just announced a speaking tour of the US and Canada.  Tix go on sale Friday.

TAC, you in for Boston?
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Post by: bosk1 on November 01, 2021, 09:25:13 AM
I just think it's hilarious.  "He sounds like a card board box, meets an almond, meets a vanilla ice cream cone, meets a block of tofu" might be one of the funniest things I've ever read!

That is like one of those SAT questions:

Blaze Bayley is to rock vocalists as _________ is to nuts.

A) Cashew
B) Peanut
C) Almond
D) Pistachio

Way too much drupeism in these two posts.  When will those long-held truths be cast aside?
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Post by: TAC on November 01, 2021, 09:49:17 AM
Bruce just announced a speaking tour of the US and Canada.  Tix go on sale Friday.

TAC, you in for Boston?

Ooh a Saturday too. I’ll have to think about it.
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Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 01, 2021, 12:44:55 PM
Fuck, you've seen Bruce solo too.  I know you saw him on the Tatooed Millionaire tour, unless I'm wrong?  You saw later tours also?

Yeah!

I saw the Tattooed Millionaire tour and the Accident Of Birth tour. With Adrian!


Each time I saw him he had a future and a past Iron Maiden guitarist with him. :lol

Not to rub it in, but I saw the Accident of Birth tour as well. It was my first time seeing Bruce and Adrian. Roy Z was insane. Yeah, the whole Tribe of Gypsies were pretty darn good. It was at the House of Blues in Chicago. A nice, small venue.

EDIT: Count me in on the Bruce reissues. I have them all. I bought Skunkworks when it came out and thought it was garbage and sold it. I then bought the reissue not long ago and thought it was excellent. No idea why I ever gave it up.
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Post by: Stadler on November 01, 2021, 01:29:06 PM
Fuck, you've seen Bruce solo too.  I know you saw him on the Tatooed Millionaire tour, unless I'm wrong?  You saw later tours also?

Yeah!

I saw the Tattooed Millionaire tour and the Accident Of Birth tour. With Adrian!


Each time I saw him he had a future and a past Iron Maiden guitarist with him. :lol

Not to rub it in, but I saw the Accident of Birth tour as well. It was my first time seeing Bruce and Adrian. Roy Z was insane. Yeah, the whole Tribe of Gypsies were pretty darn good. It was at the House of Blues in Chicago. A nice, small venue.

EDIT: Count me in on the Bruce reissues. I have them all. I bought Skunkworks when it came out and thought it was garbage and sold it. I then bought the reissue not long ago and thought it was excellent. No idea why I ever gave it up.


Looking back, I like ALL the Bruce solo records except the first one.  For me, it's a cut below the ones that came later.  I know it was a different animal for a different time, but still.
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Post by: TAC on November 01, 2021, 01:31:27 PM
Tattooed Millionaire still has some great tunes. Born In '58 is a Top 3 Bruce tune for me.
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Post by: wolfking on November 01, 2021, 03:07:22 PM
Son of A Gun is a top 5 Bruce song for me.  Janick is fucking incredible on that song.
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Post by: TAC on November 01, 2021, 03:09:08 PM
That's a great tune. I also love No Lies. That song is great live.
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 01, 2021, 03:52:44 PM
Son of A Gun is a top 5 Bruce song for me.  Janick is fucking incredible on that song.

 :metal
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Post by: wolfking on November 01, 2021, 05:15:49 PM
That's a great tune. I also love No Lies. That song is great live.

The first 3 songs plus No Lies are head and shoulders above the rest.  Everything else is honestly pretty damn ordinary.
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Post by: WardySI on November 01, 2021, 08:41:07 PM
Bruce just announced a speaking tour of the US and Canada.  Tix go on sale Friday.

TAC, you in for Boston?

Is this something to tour during Covid? 

For my 2c and change wish Bruce would do an acoustic club tour instead or maybe do half that half speak kinda thing...
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 02, 2021, 12:46:29 AM
LA spot is at the Orpheum Theater.  I hate that venue.  The last time I was there, they had no security detectors and the parking lot I was in was a bit shady (costed me $20.00, but considering that outside lot was pretty narrow, and I think they filled the lot where the cars was boxed in with no way out, it was a bit of a ripoff).  I may consider it if I plan things out differently. I wouldn't mind sitting there for two hours hearing Bruce talk about various stories of his life and hobbies.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 02, 2021, 06:51:50 AM
LA spot is at the Orpheum Theater.  I hate that venue.  The last time I was there, they had no security detectors and the parking lot I was in was a bit shady (costed me $20.00, but considering that outside lot was pretty narrow, and I think they filled the lot where the cars was boxed in with no way out, it was a bit of a ripoff).  I may consider it if I plan things out differently. I wouldn't mind sitting there for two hours hearing Bruce talk about various stories of his life and hobbies.

But that's the wildcard; IF he does that.  I'd listen to that too, but if it's two hours of bloviating, it could be a long night.  I know one of the criticisms of his autobiography was that he didn't dig deep on certain subjects - I share that opinion, by the way - and I'd hope that the speaking engagement is not like the book.

I might still go on the off-chance I could meet him, or hear something like his rendition of "Jerusalem" with Ian Anderson, but that might be a stretch.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 02, 2021, 08:19:41 AM
Yeah, I'm a huge fan but only somewhat interested in hearing his spoken word show.  It seems he does some Q&A which could potentially be interesting, but I'm just not sure I want to see it bad enough to go into NYC for it.  Maybe when it gets closer if it seems something I could easily do, but I kind of doubt that.
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 02, 2021, 09:26:50 AM
I went to the show and thought it was amazing. It helps that I worship him and he's basically my hero, but the guy whenever is on stage, no matter the context, delivers the good. Interesting, entertaining, well spoken, and yes there's a Q&A (and I even got my question answered) where he goes a bit off script, and he sings a song at the end.

If to you he's just the singer of Iron Maiden, pass, if you like Bruce as a whole, go, you'll enjoy it.
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Post by: porcacultor on November 02, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
Bruce had spoken word gigs booked in São Paulo before the pandemic, which were then canceled. I wasn't really considering going then, but right now, hypothetically, if these were rescheduled, I'd give it some good thinking.

MirrorMask, would you mind sharing the question you made and that he answered?

-x-x-x-x-x-x-

Re-listening to Senjutsu, I wonder what's the song everybody wants to listen to live off the new album in the upcoming tour(s).

It's not the most likely track to be played, I fear, but I'd sure love it if they played Death of the Celts live. Plenty of moments for the string players to huddle together in front of the stage to play something in harmony or unison. Plus, there's a big instrumental break for Bruce to run around and get the audience screaming  :lol

By the way, I don't remember if this was discussed in this topic, but which new track do you guys feel is more likely for the walking Eddie to wander into the stage? I think because of the general rhythm, I can imagine Eddie walking in during Dave's solo in Writing on the Wall... food for thought!
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Post by: The Curious Orange on November 02, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
For the remaining Legacy of the Beast dates, I'd say only Stratego and TWOTW will be added, but for the full album tour, yeah, Death of the Celts would work well live, as would The Time Machine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 02, 2021, 03:51:26 PM
I went to the show and thought it was amazing. It helps that I worship him and he's basically my hero, but the guy whenever is on stage, no matter the context, delivers the good. Interesting, entertaining, well spoken, and yes there's a Q&A (and I even got my question answered) where he goes a bit off script, and he sings a song at the end.

If to you he's just the singer of Iron Maiden, pass, if you like Bruce as a whole, go, you'll enjoy it.


Bruce is a great singer and showman for iron Maiden. But I think the guy is a utter blowhard, and I'm not paying money so he can tell me how smart he is. I couldn't even finish his book. He's a bit too proud of himself. The guy has been talking complete bullshit since the 80's.

I'd rather go see Adrian Smith talk about fishing.
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Post by: wolfking on November 02, 2021, 04:25:28 PM
I went to the show and thought it was amazing. It helps that I worship him and he's basically my hero, but the guy whenever is on stage, no matter the context, delivers the good. Interesting, entertaining, well spoken, and yes there's a Q&A (and I even got my question answered) where he goes a bit off script, and he sings a song at the end.

If to you he's just the singer of Iron Maiden, pass, if you like Bruce as a whole, go, you'll enjoy it.


Bruce is a great singer and showman for iron Maiden. But I think the guy is a utter blowhard, and I'm not paying money so he can tell me how smart he is. I couldn't even finish his book. He's a bit too proud of himself. The guy has been talking complete bullshit since the 80's.

I'd rather go see Adrian Smith talk about fishing.

 :lol
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Post by: DTA on November 02, 2021, 06:12:10 PM
If I had to guess what they're going to play live, it'd be Senjutsu, Stratego, The Writing On The Wall, Days Of Future Passed, The Parchment, and Hell On Earth. Possibly Darkest Hour as a substitution between legs. I just don't see Death of The Celts or Lost In A Lost World making a setlist when the other two longer tracks seem much more popular.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 02, 2021, 06:59:37 PM
I really hope they play the Parchment.  It would be a good breather song for Bruce too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 03, 2021, 02:11:06 AM
MirrorMask, would you mind sharing the question you made and that he answered?

I asked him what his stream of conosciousness was while he was on stage, and what was going on in his head while performing.

He said something like this, clearly using the Legacy of the Beast show as a template:

"So, I come out, Janick's there, Adrian's there, I jump the monitors, mmmh, sound is good, then I have to change, go and get the sword, then go and get the flag for The Trooper.... all like this, for two hours, and you people don't even notice it because you're all YEEEEEH  :metal :metal :metal. Sometimes people ask me what it's like to play in front of 40K people, well, I don't know, I'm too concentrated"

Basically he's paying attention to every single thing he has to do, and what he will have to do next, so that's what goes on in his mind while he's on stage... what he has to do in that precise moment, and what will come next.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on November 03, 2021, 04:15:46 AM
I went to the show and thought it was amazing. It helps that I worship him and he's basically my hero, but the guy whenever is on stage, no matter the context, delivers the good. Interesting, entertaining, well spoken, and yes there's a Q&A (and I even got my question answered) where he goes a bit off script, and he sings a song at the end.

If to you he's just the singer of Iron Maiden, pass, if you like Bruce as a whole, go, you'll enjoy it.


Bruce is a great singer and showman for iron Maiden. But I think the guy is a utter blowhard, and I'm not paying money so he can tell me how smart he is. I couldn't even finish his book. He's a bit too proud of himself. The guy has been talking complete bullshit since the 80's.

I'd rather go see Adrian Smith talk about fishing.

 :lol

Do appreciate this though, I wanted read more about the creation and ideas behind his songs, both Maiden and solo and maybe a little less about non-music stuff but wasn't surprised with what we got as there's always been more to Bruce than what he's known for musically.

But regardless felt a bit robbed 😂
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on November 03, 2021, 05:05:06 AM
Before we speculate on the set list for the Senjutsu tour, I would like to have a stab at whether or not the set list for the upcoming Legacy of the beast tour will change. I would like to throw the following prediction out there - Stratego will replace 2 minutes to midnight, and The Writing on the wall will replace Revelations.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 03, 2021, 05:09:29 AM
The Writing on the Wall will replace For the Greater Good of God, Revelations and the church backdrop will stay.

Stratego might replace The Evil that Men Do in the encores, that's a good time for a little speech "we have a new album out, we're coming back to play it for you".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 03, 2021, 05:16:54 AM
The Writing on the Wall will replace For the Greater Good of God, Revelations and the church backdrop will stay.

Stratego might replace The Evil that Men Do in the encores, that's a good time for a little speech "we have a new album out, we're coming back to play it for you".

That would be a travesty.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 03, 2021, 06:04:36 AM
I'd bet on The Clansman being the first song to be cut.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on November 03, 2021, 06:10:27 AM
[Bruce Q&A]

Thanks for sharing, sir!

=X=X=X=X=X=

On the Legacy tour setlist changes, my gut tells me (a bit regrettably, since I love the song) that Stratego gets Wicker Man's spot and Writing on the Wall gets the first encore song spot over Evil that Men Do.

I don't see them cutting out For the Greater Good of God precisely because of the background design... and I think they know the AMOLAD material hasn't been given its fair shake.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on November 03, 2021, 07:56:44 AM
Stratego slides in nicely into the war section, which is the first five songs. I don't see them taking out The Clansman and Where eagles dare, given the audience reaction those songs received once they were back into the set list. 2 minutes to midnight could be the one to go.

And then The Writing in the wall has a similar tempo to live renditions of Revelations and, again, can be a part of the religion/church section. I can already see Bruce leading the audience in the same rhythm as in Revelations, with the clapping and all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2021, 07:59:10 AM
Stratego slides in nicely into the war section, which is the first five songs. I don't see them taking out The Clansman and Where eagles dare, given the audience reaction those songs received once they were back into the set list. 2 minutes to midnight could be the one to go.

And then The Writing in the wall has a similar tempo to live renditions of Revelations and, again, can be a part of the religion/church section. I can already see Bruce leading the audience in the same rhythm as in Revelations, with the clapping and all.

M, both are reasonable spots for the reasons you pointed out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2021, 09:06:36 AM
The Writing on the Wall will replace For the Greater Good of God, Revelations and the church backdrop will stay.

Stratego might replace The Evil that Men Do in the encores, that's a good time for a little speech "we have a new album out, we're coming back to play it for you".

That would be a travesty.

The reaction to the AMOLAD songs has never been very good in my experience so while I love FTGGOG, I can see this happening. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on November 04, 2021, 10:49:48 AM
I went to the show and thought it was amazing. It helps that I worship him and he's basically my hero, but the guy whenever is on stage, no matter the context, delivers the good. Interesting, entertaining, well spoken, and yes there's a Q&A (and I even got my question answered) where he goes a bit off script, and he sings a song at the end.

If to you he's just the singer of Iron Maiden, pass, if you like Bruce as a whole, go, you'll enjoy it.


Bruce is a great singer and showman for iron Maiden. But I think the guy is a utter blowhard, and I'm not paying money so he can tell me how smart he is. I couldn't even finish his book. He's a bit too proud of himself. The guy has been talking complete bullshit since the 80's.

I agree with every word of that.  ...but on the flip side, I do find myself having to respect the fact that his track record of accomplishments speaks for itself.  The dude definitely puts his money where his mouth is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on November 04, 2021, 11:22:09 AM
Indeed. With enough money, we can all be a geniuses at everything.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 04, 2021, 12:16:17 PM
I went to the show and thought it was amazing. It helps that I worship him and he's basically my hero, but the guy whenever is on stage, no matter the context, delivers the good. Interesting, entertaining, well spoken, and yes there's a Q&A (and I even got my question answered) where he goes a bit off script, and he sings a song at the end.

If to you he's just the singer of Iron Maiden, pass, if you like Bruce as a whole, go, you'll enjoy it.


Bruce is a great singer and showman for iron Maiden. But I think the guy is a utter blowhard, and I'm not paying money so he can tell me how smart he is. I couldn't even finish his book. He's a bit too proud of himself. The guy has been talking complete bullshit since the 80's.

I agree with every word of that.  ...but on the flip side, I do find myself having to respect the fact that his track record of accomplishments speaks for itself.  The dude definitely puts his money where his mouth is.

They sure do. He is very accomplished. Doesn't mean he's not a dick. And maybe he's not, but personally, I've never really cared for him and his thang.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on November 04, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
Indeed. With enough money, we can all be a geniuses at everything.

I've never understood this perspective at all. There are plenty of celebrities who are far wealthier than Bruce who have not accomplished nearly as much (this isn't to take away from what they have accomplished; people routinely downplay how much effort it takes to become a professional even in one area, like acting or singing). All the money in the world doesn't just give you genuine accomplishments. You have to put in the effort to make those things happen. I guarantee you if you gave every member of DTF the net worth of Bruce Dickinson, very few of us, if any, would make as much of it as he has.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2021, 01:20:50 PM
Indeed. With enough money, we can all be a geniuses at everything.

I've never understood this perspective at all. There are plenty of celebrities who are far wealthier than Bruce who have not accomplished nearly as much (this isn't to take away from what they have accomplished; people routinely downplay how much effort it takes to become a professional even in one area, like acting or singing). All the money in the world doesn't just give you genuine accomplishments. You have to put in the effort to make those things happen. I guarantee you if you gave every member of DTF the net worth of Bruce Dickinson, very few of us, if any, would make as much of it as he has.

And some of the things aren't money related; sure there are plenty of "celebrities" with (ghost-written) books to their credit, so his autobiography and fictional book are to be taken with a grain of salt.  But to be on the UK fencing team, competing internationally, and to be licensed to fly 747s... it might take money to get in the door but if you can't deliver, you're not going to stay there very long. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 04, 2021, 01:22:31 PM
Indeed. With enough money, we can all be a geniuses at everything.

Wow, I can't disagree more with this statement.

With that attitude, you've already set yourself up for failure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on November 04, 2021, 01:28:10 PM
Indeed. With enough money, we can all be a geniuses at everything.

I've never understood this perspective at all. There are plenty of celebrities who are far wealthier than Bruce who have not accomplished nearly as much (this isn't to take away from what they have accomplished; people routinely downplay how much effort it takes to become a professional even in one area, like acting or singing). All the money in the world doesn't just give you genuine accomplishments. You have to put in the effort to make those things happen. I guarantee you if you gave every member of DTF the net worth of Bruce Dickinson, very few of us, if any, would make as much of it as he has.
:lol
I know. I was just having a laugh. Bruce is definitely no rake* as is far often too often the case for these wealthy self-made Renaissance celebrities. But who's to judge the difference?

*see Hogarth's "A Rake's Progress" for reference
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on November 04, 2021, 01:30:22 PM
Indeed. With enough money, we can all be a geniuses at everything.

Wow, I can't disagree more with this statement.

With that attitude, you've already set yourself up for failure.

True. I deserve all the abuse that comment gets. Something about "putting one's money where their mouth is" in regards to the Bruce tour. Poor taste.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on November 04, 2021, 01:39:08 PM
LA spot is at the Orpheum Theater.  I hate that venue.  The last time I was there, they had no security detectors and the parking lot I was in was a bit shady (costed me $20.00, but considering that outside lot was pretty narrow, and I think they filled the lot where the cars was boxed in with no way out, it was a bit of a ripoff).  I may consider it if I plan things out differently. I wouldn't mind sitting there for two hours hearing Bruce talk about various stories of his life and hobbies.

That's just the way it is for that part of downtown LA.

Anyway, if you're interested, I got an email about a presale with a code of "BD2022."

https://www.ticketmaster.com/promo/z7thjv?wt.mc_id=EML_TMNT442364_19005_3[CEN_CTA_1&et_cid=TM_442364&et_rid=db6de5bc29deab39af32fda959644aa1df80a83fa6b6614b372eb81128bafed5&efeat_seg=0&utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=tmemail&utm_campaign=50587-BruceDickinsonofIronMaiden-Multi-city-Presale&utm_term=442364&utm_content=CEN_CTA_1&j=442364&l=21_HTML&sfmc_sub=57417734&jb=19005&mid=7222895
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2021, 01:45:37 PM
Indeed. With enough money, we can all be a geniuses at everything.

I've never understood this perspective at all. There are plenty of celebrities who are far wealthier than Bruce who have not accomplished nearly as much (this isn't to take away from what they have accomplished; people routinely downplay how much effort it takes to become a professional even in one area, like acting or singing). All the money in the world doesn't just give you genuine accomplishments. You have to put in the effort to make those things happen. I guarantee you if you gave every member of DTF the net worth of Bruce Dickinson, very few of us, if any, would make as much of it as he has.
:lol
I know. I was just having a laugh. Bruce is definitely no rake* as is far often too often the case for these wealthy self-made Renaissance celebrities. But who's to judge the difference?

*see Hogarth's "A Rake's Progress" for reference

Steve's song or William's paintings?   :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on November 04, 2021, 01:48:33 PM
Indeed. With enough money, we can all be a geniuses at everything.

I've never understood this perspective at all. There are plenty of celebrities who are far wealthier than Bruce who have not accomplished nearly as much (this isn't to take away from what they have accomplished; people routinely downplay how much effort it takes to become a professional even in one area, like acting or singing). All the money in the world doesn't just give you genuine accomplishments. You have to put in the effort to make those things happen. I guarantee you if you gave every member of DTF the net worth of Bruce Dickinson, very few of us, if any, would make as much of it as he has.
:lol
I know. I was just having a laugh. Bruce is definitely no rake* as is far often too often the case for these wealthy self-made Renaissance celebrities. But who's to judge the difference?

*see Hogarth's "A Rake's Progress" for reference

Steve's song or William's paintings?   :) :)

Nice! Was actually thinking about the paintings. Those would make nice prog epic. Did someone already do that?  I just like the term "rake" in reference to "rakehell" or going back to those original paintings, which I love. 

Sorry if I've been an ass toward anyone in this thread. Sorry 425 having a laugh at your expense. I'll shut the fuck up about Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2021, 03:30:14 PM
The last three tracks of Marillion's "Holidays In Eden" make reference to that.

This Town
The Rake's Progress
100 Nights

(Though I think in substance, only the middle piece - an interlude - is really any direct reference.)



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 04, 2021, 03:36:48 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/smith-kotzen-feat-iron-maiden-guitarist-the-winery-dogs-frontman-to-release-better-days-ep-this-month-better-days-music-video-streaming
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on November 04, 2021, 04:39:12 PM
The last three tracks of Marillion's "Holidays In Eden" make reference to that.

This Town
The Rake's Progress
100 Nights

(Though I think in substance, only the middle piece - an interlude - is really any direct reference.)

Cool. I didn't know about that. I knew about the Stravinsky opera, but not the Marillion tune.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 05, 2021, 02:53:18 AM
Fencing to an international level isn't something that money can buy - the equipment isn't prohibitively expensive for most people, and fencing clubs will have stuff that beginners can borrow. It's not like it's a rich man's sport, it took him a huge amount of training and dedication to get that good. His Iffy Boatrace novels aren't exactly high literature (and the fact they've been out of print for years says much about their quality) but they're bad enough to have been written by Bruce alone without a ghost writer while still barely good enough to merit publication on their own merits. The aviation thing may have started as a hobby, but there's a tremendous amount of work and dedication needed to become a qualified airline pilot - if he were just a dilettante he'd have stopped at light aircraft or helicopters like most rock stars do. He also runs his own aviation company, which is where he spends most of his efforts. I can see how people find him irritating, but he is a true polymath and not just some rich hobbyist.

And +1 on This Town/The Rake's Progress/100 Nights being a great tune, but can't see how it's relevant.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 05, 2021, 07:42:02 PM
I'm sorry, but this video is awesome, and it doesn't even have Iron Maiden in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bEvIj-BQRY
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 19, 2021, 09:17:13 AM
I just love longhaired and bearded Bruce!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 01, 2021, 08:52:49 AM
Fall US tour in 2022.  Trivium will be the support in the September shows.  Within Temptation in the October shows.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-2022-north-american-tour-dates/

SoCal show is in Anaheim.  I'll definitively keep my eye on that one.  Trivium as main support is a huge bonus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on December 01, 2021, 09:08:59 AM
Getting to Anaheim from SFV on a friday sounds miserable, hard to plan for this one so far out.  Haven't missed a maiden tour since final frontier, so hopefully I can make it work  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2021, 09:10:06 AM
Definitely need to rejoin the fan club for the presale, looking to go to NJ with Within Temptation (awesome choice for opener IMO).  Maybe I can get to another show, but it's too far out for me to plan for a 2nd right now, just need to secure the NJ show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on December 01, 2021, 09:12:44 AM
Definitely a logistical problem. My hunch is that they'll add more dates. Skipping Dallas and Houston is certainly uncommon. That said, they're playing the Foro Sol in Mexico, as opposed to three nights in an arena. I definitely want to catch Maiden in a stadium down there. Wednesday sucks, though. Not to mention I'd be right back down there 3 weeks later for R+. Also, it's listed as "special guests to be announced," and they've been known to pick up good acts as support for Mexico shows. Seeing Anthrax open for them a few years back was bad ass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2021, 09:18:46 AM
They aren't playing NYC either, but I think this is because it's still the Legacy of the Beast tour and may be trying to hit up areas they didn't do (such as NJ) from the last time around for the same tour. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2021, 09:33:45 AM
Ugh..A Monday night in Worcester really doesn't work.

And WTF at buying tickets a year in advance?


Are these really Legacy Of the Beast shows? Are they going to tour the new album?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on December 01, 2021, 09:37:18 AM
Ugh..A Monday night in Worcester really doesn't work.

And WTF at buying tickets a year in advance?


Are these really Legacy Of the Beast shows? Are they going to tour the new album?
Smallwood said they were adding a couple of Senjitsu songs to bring it up to date. Normally I'd call it a little of both, but since they'll be removing some of the deeper cuts from LotB and keeping all of the staples, I'd call it a new album tour with an old theme and stage design.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 01, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
Fall US tour in 2022.  Trivium will be the support in the September shows.  Within Temptation in the October shows.

https://loudwire.com/iron-maiden-2022-north-american-tour-dates/

SoCal show is in Anaheim.  I'll definitively keep my eye on that one.  Trivium as main support is a huge bonus.

Playing at the Pond is a BIG plus since it's 5 minutes down the street from my office.  The show being on a Wednesday is a big minus, but since it's at the Pond, I'll seriously consider it.


Getting to Anaheim from SFV on a friday sounds miserable, hard to plan for this one so far out.  Haven't missed a maiden tour since final frontier, so hopefully I can make it work  :metal

The Anaheim show is listed on Wednesday, Sept. 21 (not that getting from SFV to Anaheim on a Wednesday evening is much better than doing it on a Friday).  However, I noticed that the next date listed after Anaheim is four days later (Sunday, Sept. 25 in Chula Vista), so I'm wondering if they might add a Los Angeles date on Friday, Sept. 23.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 01, 2021, 10:18:02 AM
Well, looks like I'm going to South Dakota.

I have seen Trivium plenty of times. I am not going to miss my chance to see Within Temptation, even if it is only for 50 min.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 01, 2021, 10:30:33 AM
I registered for tickets, even though the Chicago show is on a Wednesday night.  We'll see how that works out - I have a week to decide if I want to buy a ticket.  Seeing Within Temptation for the first time is a big draw for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 01, 2021, 12:39:10 PM
I MUST bring my daughter to see Maiden before they retire. She will be 8 years old by the time this tour hits Toronto...maybe the time has come.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 01, 2021, 12:46:57 PM
By the way, how about those European tour dates?

https://www.ironmaiden.com/tours/legacy-of-the-beast-tour-2022-2022

Iron Maiden are coming to Belgrade for the first time in eight years.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on December 01, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
Well, looks like I'm going to South Dakota.

I have seen Trivium plenty of times. I am not going to miss my chance to see Within Temptation, even if it is only for 50 min.

I'll be there too! Will be my 5th Maiden show in different state. Also super stoked to see WT for the first time!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on December 01, 2021, 04:51:14 PM
I finally get into this band and they aren't coming here on the tour, damn it.  :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2021, 05:06:45 PM
I'm also really happy the band decided to pick some legit bands for support and not a Harris child.  I'd be totally cool seeing Trivium (again, just saw them over the summer) but WIthin Temptation is a huge win for my tastes albeit kind of an odd pairing.  Elevates this concert from just a Maiden gig to a legit metal show you don't want to miss a minute of.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on December 01, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
I did not expect them to bring LotB back to the United States. While I wish they'd get on with a Senjutsu tour, I do think the LotB setlist is one of their best ever. I missed it last time because I was sick, so it's cool to get another chance. Just please keep at least one of SotC and FtGGoG...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on December 01, 2021, 06:21:39 PM
DEFINITELY hitting the NJ show :metal I have LESS THAN ZERO interest in Within Temptation though :tdwn
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 01, 2021, 06:32:36 PM
I’m very surprised that they’re continuing the Legacy tour, rather than do a full-on Senjutsu tour. Not that I’m complaining, I missed the last show in my city. Bring it on!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on December 01, 2021, 10:32:01 PM
IIRC Bruce mentioned in a few interviews that they planned to play a couple of songs from Senjutsu in the new Legacy tour – I'm almost positive he mentioned Writing on the Wall and the title track, but I can't locate the quote right now.

I wonder whether the subtle re-theming means they plan on including more new tracks than that. The band's official FB page definitely noticed the popularity of Hell on Earth through Youtube views, so I wonder if they'll swap one of the longer songs for that.

Still rooting for a Senjutsu tour proper after this, but it's nice that they're slightly changing things around for this next leg.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on December 01, 2021, 10:38:59 PM
That Seattle show is tempting. But damn, WT takes over on the very next show. Which is in...

Quote
Sept. 30 - Spokane, Wash. @ Spokane Arena

Whoa. There is an arena in Spokane?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 01, 2021, 11:21:00 PM
That Seattle show is tempting. But damn, WT takes over on the very next show. Which is in...

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Sept. 30 - Spokane, Wash. @ Spokane Arena

Whoa. There is an arena in Spokane?

Yeah, I believe they are home of junior league hockey team, the Spokane Chiefs.  Metallica even played there for their US arena run in 2018.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on December 01, 2021, 11:25:19 PM
Just a subtle jab at my neighbors to the East.  :) Glad they are getting some big names to play in that neck of the woods.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on December 02, 2021, 04:23:50 AM
Doubt they'll make it to our shores for a long while yet but considering the costs for me to travel to these shows and having seen Maiden a few times now, it would take a proper Senjutsu tour to get me there.

And if they were to finally  show some love and take Blaze and his excellent War Within Me as support I'd absolutely make that show!🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrMike on December 02, 2021, 09:49:32 AM
I caught the Legacy tour in Houston and am thrilled they're coming to Austin this time, so no travel required.  It is surprising that they're continuing the Legacy theme in America instead of just starting a full blown Senjutsu tour.  I'm guessing the guys just really love the current show and set and I would agree.  I haven't seen Maiden a ton of times, but the 2019 show was probably my favorite (or at least tied with Somewhere Back In Time).  And not being a huge fan of modern era Maiden, getting just a few new tracks sprinkled in is perfect IMO.

From the tour promo art, I'm hoping we're going to see an Eddie battle on stage.  Senjutsu Eddie versus Classic Eddie would be a riot!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on December 02, 2021, 01:05:22 PM
I made a comment on Within Temptation's facebook tour announcement post about them hating Arizona and they liked my comment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on December 02, 2021, 02:11:35 PM
IIRC Bruce mentioned in a few interviews that they planned to play a couple of songs from Senjutsu in the new Legacy tour – I'm almost positive he mentioned Writing on the Wall and the title track, but I can't locate the quote right now.
This makes perfect sense. They're not going to skip the single, and Senjitsu would fit in with the war part of the show. How it works into the setlist will be interesting. My best guess would be 2MtM gets the axe from the first part of the show. They get to leave the spitfire on stage for Where Eagles Dare. I think Arry gets off hearing crowds shout FREEDOM. Trooper's obviously not going anywhere. My hunch is that they drop 2M and move everything up, tacking on Senjitsu at the end of the war set. Nice segue into the religion part.

Writing on the Wall is tougher. It's not really religious themed. It'd make sense to put it where Icarus is now, but there's no way they cut Icarus. The staging is just way too cool. Best bet would be to drop Wicker Man and put WotW after Icarus, which leads to the typical standards part of the show.

Doctor Doctor
Churchill
Aces
Eagles
Clansman
Trooper
Senjitsu
Revelations
Greater Good
Sign of the Cross
Icarus
Writing
FotD
Number
IM

Encore

That said, he may well decide to drop one of the Blaze songs, and that probably means 2MtM stays and Clansman's out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 02, 2021, 02:54:30 PM
I would not be happy if they played Senjutsu and over the other songs on the album.  It's my least favorite and it's pacing would make it not the greatest live song IMO.  I could be wrong and hope to be proven wrong if they do perform it (just to be clear).  If it were the album tour, I'd be sure they'd perform it, but for this, I almost feel like Stratego makes more sense being a single and can replace a shorter song. 

However, if they bring out Samurai Eddie, Senjutsu makes more sense.  I could see that being the angle, use that song for an epic Eddie battle as the song itself may not keep the audience engaged (and we all know from the AMoLaD tour, the audience's don't always respond well to the new songs).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2021, 03:12:33 PM
in one of the videos Adrian did leading up to the release, he basically said that Senjutsu was going to be played live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
While I'd rather Lost, Hell or Parchment, I reckon the title track comes across pretty well live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on December 02, 2021, 04:15:21 PM
I really hope 2MtM is one of the songs that's cut because they play it all the time, but that's not what I would expect to see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 03, 2021, 02:05:04 AM
in one of the videos Adrian did leading up to the release, he basically said that Senjutsu was going to be played live.
Did he specifically say it was going to be played on the Legacy of the beast tour, or once the Senjutsu tour starts?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 04, 2021, 09:23:24 AM
in one of the videos Adrian did leading up to the release, he basically said that Senjutsu was going to be played live.
Did he specifically say it was going to be played on the Legacy of the beast tour, or once the Senjutsu tour starts?

He said something along the lines of it’ll be great when they play it live or I can’t wait to play it live. Something along those lines. I’m at work now but I’ll try and find the video later.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on December 04, 2021, 09:50:02 AM
in one of the videos Adrian did leading up to the release, he basically said that Senjutsu was going to be played live.
Did he specifically say it was going to be played on the Legacy of the beast tour, or once the Senjutsu tour starts?

He said something along the lines of it’ll be great when they play it live or I can’t wait to play it live. Something along those lines. I’m at work now but I’ll try and find the video later.

He said he can’t wait to do lines when they play it live.  :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 04, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
He talks about the song here and says it'll be a good live track at the end.

https://youtu.be/embb72pZ-PQ?t=174
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 07, 2021, 08:53:37 AM
Got two tickets for the Toronto show in October. Now the debate begins...who should I bring, my wife or my daughter? I brought my wife in 2019, so I was thinking now it's time to bring Stella...she will be 8 next year, and I don't think there will be many chances of seeing Maiden in the years to come.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2021, 09:38:02 AM
Got two GA tickets for the NJ show this morning  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on December 07, 2021, 06:13:43 PM
Got two GA tickets for the NJ show this morning  :metal :metal
How much were the GA seats?  I'm looking at getting tix tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 08, 2021, 01:53:07 AM
Got two GA tickets for the NJ show this morning  :metal :metal
How much were the GA seats?  I'm looking at getting tix tomorrow.

$125 each after taxes/fees
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 08, 2021, 09:46:30 AM
Bought a balcony ticket for $125 after taxes/fees.  I'm excited to be seeing them again - haven't seen Maiden since 2008.  I just wish it weren't a Wednesday night in the city, but I'll make it work.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 08, 2021, 12:25:24 PM
I really can't commit to a Monday night in Worcester a year from now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on December 08, 2021, 03:21:44 PM
Got two GA tickets for the NJ show this morning  :metal :metal
How much were the GA seats?  I'm looking at getting tix tomorrow.

$125 each after taxes/fees
Nice!  I bought 3 tix in the lower bowl, Section 21.  They were $150 each after fees/taxes.  What pissed me off is they didn't even offer an option for paper tickets.  I have paper tickets from all but maybe 4-5 of my 200+ concerts before 2020.  This year, no paper tickets for 3 shows and a $15 fee for them to print and mail 2 tickets for next year's Dirty Honey/ Mammoth WVH show I'm going to.  Even worse, my buddy is taking his 14-year old son for his first concert and he doesn't even have a paper ticket for a souvenir.  I hate how they're ramming this paperless bullshit down our throats!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2021, 05:51:54 PM
I really can't commit to a Monday night in Worcester a year from now.

This late in their career, I'd easily take that gamble.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 08, 2021, 06:41:59 PM
I really can't commit to a Monday night in Worcester a year from now.

This late in their career, I'd easily take that gamble.

I just can't commit to it NOW. My wife and I talked about it today. If it was a weekend, that would be different. It's too far to leave my oldest son home alone.

Plus, it's a fucking year away.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 09, 2021, 12:31:34 AM
Got two GA tickets for the NJ show this morning  :metal :metal
How much were the GA seats?  I'm looking at getting tix tomorrow.

$125 each after taxes/fees
Nice!  I bought 3 tix in the lower bowl, Section 21.  They were $150 each after fees/taxes.  What pissed me off is they didn't even offer an option for paper tickets.  I have paper tickets from all but maybe 4-5 of my 200+ concerts before 2020.  This year, no paper tickets for 3 shows and a $15 fee for them to print and mail 2 tickets for next year's Dirty Honey/ Mammoth WVH show I'm going to.  Even worse, my buddy is taking his 14-year old son for his first concert and he doesn't even have a paper ticket for a souvenir.  I hate how they're ramming this paperless bullshit down our throats!

It basically seems the pandemic ended up being the end of physical tickets.  Livenation doens't even offer them and AXS costs a lot to print them now.  As someone who collects their ticket stubs, it sucks.  Going to the Starland show for Wolfie?  I got my tickets for that too.

I really can't commit to a Monday night in Worcester a year from now.

This late in their career, I'd easily take that gamble.

I just can't commit to it NOW. My wife and I talked about it today. If it was a weekend, that would be different. It's too far to leave my oldest son home alone.

Plus, it's a fucking year away.

Yeah, it's so far out and the pandemic isn't over so that it's understandable for anyone to have some reservations IMO.  Not familiar with that venue, but hopefully it doesn't sell out and you have options when the date nears to score tickets for fair value.  Hopefully it works out because I agree with wolfking, at this point in the career you've got to start prioritizing these shows. Even with another Legacy tour coming through, I do not at all regret my decision to see that same show a 3rd time. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2021, 12:40:38 AM
I didn't think about the pandemic shit, so yeah fair enough.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on December 09, 2021, 01:17:34 PM
Going to the Starland show for Wolfie?  I got my tickets for that too.
Yep.  Psyched to be seeing him AND Dirty Honey.  So glad Wolfie made his way back around here.  I went to the GnR show at MetLife where he opened.  But, the guys I went with didn't care about getting there in time and wanted to tailgate outside.  I got to hear his last 3 songs and that was it.  I saw DH open for the Black Crowes this summer at PNC and they were great.  Really came across well live.  Looking forward to seeing both bands in a small club.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 09, 2021, 01:38:08 PM
Both those bands played a few months ago at a show I went to, really good rock n roll and I think that's a good touring pair.  I wouldn't be surprised if Starland is packed for that show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 09, 2021, 02:23:30 PM
I really can't commit to a Monday night in Worcester a year from now.

This late in their career, I'd easily take that gamble.

I just can't commit to it NOW. My wife and I talked about it today. If it was a weekend, that would be different. It's too far to leave my oldest son home alone.

Plus, it's a fucking year away.

Yeah, it's so far out and the pandemic isn't over so that it's understandable for anyone to have some reservations IMO.  Not familiar with that venue, but hopefully it doesn't sell out and you have options when the date nears to score tickets for fair value.  Hopefully it works out because I agree with wolfking, at this point in the career you've got to start prioritizing these shows. Even with another Legacy tour coming through, I do not at all regret my decision to see that same show a 3rd time.

It's not pandemic related. We're seeing Dream Theater in February. It has to do with leaving my son home alone, which my wife does not want to do. And Worcester is just far enough to take it off the table.

But like I said, we talked about and we'll see how things are in a year.

The Centrum isn't a huge arena. In fact, it's my favorite arena to see a show, and I'd love to see them there. Even if I'm way in the back, it's still a great view.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 10, 2021, 11:08:20 AM
Well, prices are too high for me to spend on nosebleeds for Iron Maiden in Anaheim.  It's going for $90.00 that's without the fees factored in for the worst seats, so I shudder to think on what it would be after fees.  I shall pass for now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 10, 2021, 11:14:21 AM
Well, prices are too high for me to spend on nosebleeds for Iron Maiden in Anaheim.  It's going for $90.00 that's without the fees factored in for the worst seats, so I shudder to think on what it would be after fees.  I shall pass for now.

It was about the same price for the Chicago show.  The total came out to about $125 after fees.  Expensive, but worth it for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2021, 11:26:39 AM
That sucks the nosebleeds are the same price I paid for the floor, but if you haven't seen IM, it's probably worth it.  If it doesn't sell out, maybe you can get a cheap ticket day of.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on December 10, 2021, 11:37:30 AM
I feel kind of absurd buying tickets almost a year out in a place where I don't plan to live for at least six months, but I think it's ultimately worth it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 10, 2021, 11:57:00 AM
That sucks the nosebleeds are the same price I paid for the floor, but if you haven't seen IM, it's probably worth it.  If it doesn't sell out, maybe you can get a cheap ticket day of.

The club/suite level pricing was $140 to $300.  It took me a minute to figure out why that cost was so much higher.  I tried getting seats in the 100 level, but every time I clicked checkout, it told me that the seat was already snagged by someone else.  I gave up and went for the upper level. 

Being only 5'6, I do better in the seats than on the floor amongst a sea of people who are guaranteed to be taller than me.  I'll be way up high, but with a decent view of the whole stage. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 10, 2021, 12:41:46 PM
That sucks the nosebleeds are the same price I paid for the floor, but if you haven't seen IM, it's probably worth it.  If it doesn't sell out, maybe you can get a cheap ticket day of.

I've had good luck with game-day tickets for IM.   And I've also been third row on the floor, and nosebleeds, and as much as any band, there's value in all of them.  It's an amazing show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 10, 2021, 01:00:04 PM
Well, prices are too high for me to spend on nosebleeds for Iron Maiden in Anaheim.  It's going for $90.00 that's without the fees factored in for the worst seats, so I shudder to think on what it would be after fees.  I shall pass for now.

Man...I looked at the verified fan presale and didn't like what was available.  Looking at it now and holy fuck!  $326 for GA on the floor (that's with fees)?  $515-567 for seats in the center ice section?  It's $118 for middle of the row in the 400 level or just shy of $150 for aisle seats.  All so they can hold my money for NINE months.  And I can only get the aisle seats in groups of 2+ and don't have anyone willing to commit to a show so far in advance.

One of these days, someone's got to explain a $30 per seat "service" fee and a $4 per seat "facility charge" and an $8.30 (per order) "processing fee."  What's the difference between "service" and "processing"?

Since the show is on a Wednesday and is spitting distance from my office, I think I'm just going to wait and see if I can find something good on the day of or day before the show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrMike on December 10, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
Picked up a ticket for Austin, but I had to settle for sitting further away because of TM's bullshit "Platinum" designation and $200+ upcharge on better seats.  Really wish artists could do something about that like sue TM for setting prices and then not sticking to them.  It's laughable that they offer a pre-sale for true fans to 'help keep the tickets out of brokers' hands' and then they turn around and charge just as much as brokers whenever they feel like it.  F-n crooked company.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on December 11, 2021, 07:18:08 AM
One of these days, someone's got to explain a $30 per seat "service" fee and a $4 per seat "facility charge" and an $8.30 (per order) "processing fee."  What's the difference between "service" and "processing"?
I've often wondered the same thing.  Truthfully, for a concert ticket, I'd rather pay $45 flat out than be paying $25 for a ticket, $10 for a convenience fee, $5 for a facility charge and another $5 for a processing fee.  They can charge whatever they want for whatever type of fee they're gonna call it.  Just build it into the price so I don't have to see it.  And, get pissed off by it.  I'm sure it's done this way for accounting purposes by all parties involved so nobody can try to screw the other parties out of money.

Don't even get me started about the fact that TM has become nothing more than a scalper itself.  $20 more for an aisle seat.  "Prices may fluctuate based upon demand."  Showing "verified resale" tickets on its own website.  Looking at the page for Maiden's NJ show, you have single seats left at the original cost of $124.50 three rows in back of "verified resale" tickets going for $306.  It's fucking bullshit!  I found the following explanations online.  They don't make me feel any better.  But, they explain what each of these dumb charges are...

Typical fees added to a ticket's face value include:
Service Charge This is Ticketmaster's charge for the general service they provide and maintain. The amount paid may depend upon the method of payment (by phone, online, or in person).
Building Facility Charge This is determined by the venue, and not Ticketmaster.
Processing Charge This is Ticketmaster's charge for processing your order and making the tickets available to you. This is usually not a per ticket charge, but rather a per order charge.
Shipping Charge, E-Ticket Convenience Charge, or Will Call Charge Ticketmaster charges a fee for ticket delivery, whether the tickets are mailed to the customer, printed out at home, or collected from the venue. The charge for printing out the ticket at home is often higher than the fee to have the ticket physically mailed to you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 11, 2021, 07:27:39 AM
Just to go all fogey here, but the price of this stuff is ridiculous. I don't have a concert buddy, and my days of going to shows alone is long gone, so if I go to a show, either my son or my wife is coming.
It'll be close to $300 to see this tour.


Just for my family of four to see the Bruins and sit in the upper level, it's $800. And that doesn't include parking and refreshments, likely another $100. WTF??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 11, 2021, 08:56:05 AM
Supply and demand.  It sucks to be priced out, but I'm not entirely sure what the solution would be.

Shipping Charge, E-Ticket Convenience Charge, or Will Call Charge Ticketmaster charges a fee for ticket delivery, whether the tickets are mailed to the customer, printed out at home, or collected from the venue. The charge for printing out the ticket at home is often higher than the fee to have the ticket physically mailed to you.

I'd love to see this explained especially since they don't even offer to mail tickets anymore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 11, 2021, 04:21:27 PM
Supply and demand.  It sucks to be priced out, but I'm not entirely sure what the solution would be.


Did I sound like a pussy? :lol

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 11, 2021, 08:30:48 PM
I see no perceptible difference between those explanations of "service charge" and "processing fee."


Truthfully, for a concert ticket, I'd rather pay $45 flat out than be paying $25 for a ticket, $10 for a convenience fee, $5 for a facility charge and another $5 for a processing fee.  They can charge whatever they want for whatever type of fee they're gonna call it.  Just build it into the price so I don't have to see it.  And, get pissed off by it.

YES!  About a month ago, I went to see a band called YYNOT at a small club.  The ticket price was $35, but the club's website used Ticketmaster for sales.  After all of the stupid charges, it was just a hair over $60.  I have ZERO problem paying $60 to see YYNOT, but I'd really rather most of the money go to the band (especially when it's a show at a club where the best seats are at tables where I'm required to buy a severely marked up, substandard dinner).


I don't have a concert buddy, and my days of going to shows alone is long gone, so if I go to a show, either my son or my wife is coming.
It'll be close to $300 to see this tour.

Fortunately, I'm happy to see a show alone.

We used to go see either the Dodgers or Angels every 4th of July.  I got tired of paying $75+ for a ticket for my daughter to sit in the stands reading a book.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 12, 2021, 03:26:11 AM
Seems like a good occasion as any to repost this I saw going around on Twitter:

Quote
Ticketmaster be like:

Concert ticket: $40
Venue fee: 21.32
Access fee $18.32
Paperless transmission fee: $12.03
Fee Fee: $8.84
Fi Fo Fum: $3.43
Cuz We Can Fee: $2.01
Might as well fee: $1.89
WTF you gonna do nigga, not go? fee: $1.38
Another dollar won’t hurt nobody fee: $1.00

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2021, 03:27:49 AM
Supply and demand.  It sucks to be priced out, but I'm not entirely sure what the solution would be.


Did I sound like a pussy? :lol

I've never heard the sound of your voice, I assume boston accent so... maybe?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2021, 04:21:36 AM
So it looks like the tour poster might be hinting at the songs for the setlist

(https://preview.redd.it/158hg3s4jy481.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f940f86695397645b8f2dadd27653da0cde552cc)

There's references to Writing on the Wall, Stratego, and Senjutsu from the new album. 

Also, 2 Minutes to Midnight, Aces High, Flight of Icarus, The Trooper, Fear of the Dark, Where Eagles Dare and Revelations (maybe with the cathedral?)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on December 13, 2021, 03:44:19 AM
I hope to catch them and Within Temptation is a nice bonus. Unfortunately I still think Senjutsu is boring (and the latest WT too for that matter), but I am sure they will put up a great show regardless of which songs they play.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 13, 2021, 03:48:48 AM
I hope to catch them and Within Temptation is a nice bonus. Unfortunately I still think Senjutsu is boring (and the latest WT too for that matter), but I am sure they will put up a great show regardless of which songs they play.

I only find the song Senjutsu to be boring, otherwise I really like the album.  (hence why I kind of hope they play something else besides the title track). 

As for WT, I'm with you.  THey've turned into something less interesting for me, but they do still manage to make some enjoyable songs.  They don't come over to the US that often so getting to see them is a nice bonus.  And lets be honest, any band over a Harris child is an upgrade.  I'm really happy they are bring WT and Trivium on tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 13, 2021, 07:30:55 AM
Picked up a ticket for Austin, but I had to settle for sitting further away because of TM's bullshit "Platinum" designation and $200+ upcharge on better seats.  Really wish artists could do something about that like sue TM for setting prices and then not sticking to them.  It's laughable that they offer a pre-sale for true fans to 'help keep the tickets out of brokers' hands' and then they turn around and charge just as much as brokers whenever they feel like it.  F-n crooked company.

Crooked?   Not hardly.  This is basic economics 101.  If the scalper can charge it (and get it) that's what the price SHOULD BE.  It's just stupid to leave that money on the table, since it's going to be paid anyway.   

And there WAS a suit, which is why we get the breakout of fees.   We ASKED for this, we WANTED this. Now we got it, and there are complaints?    Makes no sense to me.  Ticket brokers don't play the same role as they did 40 years ago.  They are now sponsoring tours - meaning, you wouldn't HAVE a show if it wasn't for them (and the service fees you're paying). 

I don't like the availability any more than you do, but it's the best of a shitty situation.  The next step is they go the route of airlines, and EVERY SEAT will be a time/location sensitive price.   You don't get a ticket day of sale?   Could be more, could be less later on depending on the demand, and the time for the show.   

Bottom line is this: you have to make an individual decision as to how badly you want to see that band at that time, accept a price to do that, and live with it if you can (or cannot) get a ticket for that price.   All the other variables - who gets paid what, what you WISH you could have paid, what the guy next to you paid - are just emotional window-dressing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cfmoran13 on December 13, 2021, 08:31:29 AM
Crooked?   Not hardly.  This is basic economics 101.  If the scalper can charge it (and get it) that's what the price SHOULD BE.  It's just stupid to leave that money on the table, since it's going to be paid anyway.   

And there WAS a suit, which is why we get the breakout of fees.   We ASKED for this, we WANTED this. Now we got it, and there are complaints?    Makes no sense to me.  Ticket brokers don't play the same role as they did 40 years ago.  They are now sponsoring tours - meaning, you wouldn't HAVE a show if it wasn't for them (and the service fees you're paying). 

I agree with your 1st point.  Why leave money on the table that people are already willing to pay?!?  I'd rather see the artist get the money instead of a scalper.

As for the breakout of the fees, I couldn't give a shit.  The fees are there and that's not gonna change.  But, when I see I'm gonna pay $50 for a ticket, I want to pay $50.  I don't want to pick a $50 ticket and end up paying $80.  Just tell me it's gonna be $80.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 13, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
They do tell it's going to be $80.00.  It's at the checkout list.  For me, I always think if I see ticket prices on Ticketmaster or otherwise, I always assume the final price would be around what is listed + 30% of what's listed in fees.

I wasn't going to be paying $90.00 or the $125.00 with fees either way.  I paid $70.00 for a nosebleed seat, the last time I saw Maiden, and I think if I can't find a price lower than that, no point humoring the idea of going.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on December 13, 2021, 11:14:38 AM
Tickets for the front GA section at the Foro Sol are $100US even, induing TT&L. That's expensive by Maiden/Mexico standards, but it is what it is. I'll probably wait until I see what my Christmas bonus is before I pull the trigger on that. Normally it'd be a no-brainer, but it's actually 10 days before a different show down there, and making two trips that close together might be too much work.

At the same time, I'd probably wind up driving to Tulsa or San Antonio anyway, so the cost and effort would likely even out. Gas. Five hours on the road. Hotel. Eating out. Considering cheaper tickets, cheaper food, cheaper lodging, cheaper ticket, and cheaper shirts, I might even come out ahead. And realistically from the time I leave to the time I'm in an AirBnB in Mexico is probably about the same for Tulsa or SA.

Not to mention the unannounced special guest. The last 2 times they had special guests they were Anthrax and Slayer, along with their regular support.

Seriously, who wouldn't want to see Maiden in a stadium in Mexico? Slayer and Ghost opened this one:

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffiltermexico.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2FIron-Maiden14l.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 13, 2021, 11:27:55 AM
TBH, I think I'd rather stick with an arena where you can have a better view.  Stadium shows usually have poor sights and sounds.  Granted, seeing the wild mexican crowd would be the plus and if you got more bands on the bill that would also be a positive.  I think I'd like the experience of that, but would likely prefer what I'm used to for IM. 

The local shows here, I can arrive 15 minutes before IM hits the stage and be fairly close on the floor.  I think I'd need to be there hours earlier to get even a few hundred feet from the stage for such a stadium gig. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on December 13, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
Would love to experience Maiden in a stadium at some point before my body gives up on me. I did get tix to the Austin show at the new Moody Theater so that’s exciting
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 13, 2021, 07:48:07 PM
It's been ages since I've seen a stadium show, but honestly, it'd be the last place I'd want to see a show.

The last half dozen times Maiden has come, it's been at an outdoor shed during the summer.

I'd love to see them in an arena. Unfortunately, a Monday night in Worcester doesn't work. Neither does $300 a ticket to sit in the lower bowl.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 13, 2021, 07:53:30 PM
The Iron Maiden show I saw in 2019 in LA was at a relatively "small" outdoor soccer stadium (20k people) right next to the USC Coliseum.  In all fairness, it had a pretty good atmosphere to it and there was a fair amount of people enjoying the pre-show "festivities" that I think KLOS (the classic rock station in LA) was providing.  That's probably the closest vibe as I'll get to seeing Maiden at either a Europe festival or a larger football stadium in either South America or Europe.  Would be fine seeing them in either an arena or the local amphitheater at Fivepoint (although that venue is a bit too small for them). 

Funnily enough, I don't think Maiden has ever played Hollywood Bowl at all in LA.  It's usually either the Inglewood Forum or the very large amphitheater in San Bernardino for their SoCal shows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrMike on December 13, 2021, 09:19:14 PM
Crooked?   Not hardly.  This is basic economics 101.  If the scalper can charge it (and get it) that's what the price SHOULD BE.  It's just stupid to leave that money on the table, since it's going to be paid anyway.   

And there WAS a suit, which is why we get the breakout of fees.   We ASKED for this, we WANTED this. Now we got it, and there are complaints?    Makes no sense to me.  Ticket brokers don't play the same role as they did 40 years ago.  They are now sponsoring tours - meaning, you wouldn't HAVE a show if it wasn't for them (and the service fees you're paying). 

I agree with your 1st point.  Why leave money on the table that people are already willing to pay?!?  I'd rather see the artist get the money instead of a scalper.

If TM decides to charge an extra $200 for each ticket just because they think they can get it, do we know that the artist actually gets any of that upcharge?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 13, 2021, 09:42:21 PM
Typically, I think the artist would only get what's stated in the guarantee amount that's agreed on to do the tour.  I'm not sure if there are any bonus incentives in the contracts if the promoters (like Live Nation) were able to sell the tickets at the rate they want.

This is something to note from what I read a long while ago when I was doing a research paper on the touring industry back in college.  The promoter pays the band a guarantee to do the tour and that money is coming out of the promoters' pockets and the promoter recoups that money back in ticket sales with the idea to make loads of profit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on December 14, 2021, 12:09:59 AM
True, but then when you're a big enough artist you can negotiate your deal to include a guarantee and a percentage, any arena/stadium band certainly would be.  Now how the variable price "platinum" tickets are negotiated for in those deals I'm not sure, but the price would have to be recorded for financial accounting purposes at some point, and the artist would be aware and could request to be paid a percentage of that ticket's total, if not already included or explicitly excluded in their contract
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 14, 2021, 08:40:38 AM
Crooked?   Not hardly.  This is basic economics 101.  If the scalper can charge it (and get it) that's what the price SHOULD BE.  It's just stupid to leave that money on the table, since it's going to be paid anyway.   

And there WAS a suit, which is why we get the breakout of fees.   We ASKED for this, we WANTED this. Now we got it, and there are complaints?    Makes no sense to me.  Ticket brokers don't play the same role as they did 40 years ago.  They are now sponsoring tours - meaning, you wouldn't HAVE a show if it wasn't for them (and the service fees you're paying). 

I agree with your 1st point.  Why leave money on the table that people are already willing to pay?!?  I'd rather see the artist get the money instead of a scalper.

If TM decides to charge an extra $200 for each ticket just because they think they can get it, do we know that the artist actually gets any of that upcharge?

It depends on the artist.  I know for a fact that an artist like Bruce Springsteen takes a cut for the show, guaranteed (he pays his expenses - band, the equipment, etc. - from that) but he limits the price the venue/broker can charge for his shows.  That essentially means he's setting the margins for the venue/brokers on his shows.   Prince - again, I know this for fact - would rent the venues himself, and contract with the ticket brokers (or, in at least one instance, he did it himself) to sell the show.  Again, another way of setting the margin for the shows.    So in those two instances, no, TM is not pocketing the $200 difference.  I doubt Maiden is less savvy at this point than that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on December 14, 2021, 02:27:31 PM

Funnily enough, I don't think Maiden has ever played Hollywood Bowl at all in LA.  It's usually either the Inglewood Forum or the very large amphitheater in San Bernardino for their SoCal shows.
Strangely, I've seen them at both venues. The Flight 666 show at the Forum was a real hoot. The Glenn Helen show was, em, memorable.  :lol

As for the stadium vs arena atmosphere, I've been seeing Maiden in arenas and sheds since 1984. Been there done that. Hell, I've seen this LotB tour 3x in arenas. I'll trade up close and personal for a wild-ass Mexican crowd any day. The latter borders on bucket list territory.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 14, 2021, 03:59:47 PM
Before COVID, I had planned out a trip to Eastern Europe to "find my family roots", and was going to schedule it to coincide with seeing Maiden in a stadium.  I think that would be a hoot, seeing them in a stadium behind what was the Iron Curtain.   I wouldn't see them at a stadium in the U.S. though, unless that was my only option.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 14, 2021, 05:50:36 PM
I've seen Maiden in Brazil and in Canada. The difference in the energy of the crowd is staggering.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 15, 2021, 02:44:13 AM
I think the wild crowd would be the best reason to see them south of the US border but I'm also not too sure I want to be in that crowd vs being in a seat with a view to watch it all.

It's still in my plans to catch IM in Europe one day, specifically I want to be there for their final show which I'd imagine would be in England.  My best friend and I often talk about this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 15, 2021, 03:51:26 AM
It's still in my plans to catch IM in Europe one day, specifically I want to be there for their final show which I'd imagine would be in England.

Maybe it will have a magician!!!


 ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 15, 2021, 04:55:23 AM
It's still in my plans to catch IM in Europe one day, specifically I want to be there for their final show which I'd imagine would be in England.

Maybe it will have a magician!!!


 ;D

 :rollin

I hope it ends with the full band going into Iron Maidens
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 17, 2021, 01:54:30 PM
Charismatic Voice did Dance Of Death today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuX3wN2R0dw

Total Bruce porn.

What a great fucking song. Janick  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on December 17, 2021, 02:05:47 PM
Charismatic Voice did Dance Of Death today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuX3wN2R0dw

Total Bruce porn.

What a great fucking song. Janick  :metal

Bruce Porn! I love it  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on December 17, 2021, 04:20:12 PM
Dance Of Death is the one album that continues to improve as the years move forward moreso than any other post-reunion IM album🤘

As tired and predictable as this decision may be, but can't see Senjutsu landing anywhere but my #1 for 2021.  After what I initially thought to be a lethargic lead single in Writing On The Wall Senjutsu was one hell of a surprise and one hell of an album.  Shuffling through it this week in preparation for my EOY reviews I fell back in and was was difficult not to simply stay there and discard almost everything else.

Yes the production is shit, yes it's arguably 'just' another 00's Maiden record (I'd oppose that btw), and yes it's not perfect, but DAMN! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 18, 2021, 03:09:39 AM
Dance Of Death is the one album that continues to improve as the years move forward moreso than any other post-reunion IM album🤘

As tired and predictable as this decision may be, but can't see Senjutsu landing anywhere but my #1 for 2021.  After what I initially thought to be a lethargic lead single in Writing On The Wall Senjutsu was one hell of a surprise and one hell of an album.  Shuffling through it this week in preparation for my EOY reviews I fell back in and was was difficult not to simply stay there and discard almost everything else.

Yes the production is shit, yes it's arguably 'just' another 00's Maiden record (I'd oppose that btw), and yes it's not perfect, but DAMN! :metal

I don't think Senjutsu lands at #1 for me, but I've been listening to it more lately and it definitely has staying power.  It's just such a dense album that when you come back to it, there's going to be lots to enjoy and dig into.  The song Senjutsu is the only track that just hasn't made an impact on me yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on December 18, 2021, 04:24:28 AM
Quote
[quote author=cramx3

I don't think Senjutsu lands at #1 for me, but I've been listening to it more lately and it definitely has staying power.  It's just such a dense album that when you come back to it, there's going to be lots to enjoy and dig into.  The song Senjutsu is the only track that just hasn't made an impact on me yet.

I would've completely agreed with you a little while ago but now think it serves as the perfect album/shoe opener.  Yes,  I would hope if they intend on playing it live they open the show with it because otherwise as a standalone song I tend to agree with you. 

When playing the album front to back it's perfect where it is.  The only other song on the album I think could've done similar is The Parchment but I digress...

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 18, 2021, 04:41:55 AM
Senjutsu is easily album of the year for me.
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Post by: Podaar on December 18, 2021, 06:05:40 AM
Senjutsu is easily album of the year for me.

It's good, but it's not that good. At least for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on December 18, 2021, 07:49:10 AM
Senjutsu is easily album of the year for me.

Same. There are several other albums I like a lot this year, but none of them have had the same wow-factor and staying power in my rotation.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 18, 2021, 08:30:08 AM
Senjutsu is easily album of the year for me.

Same. There are several other albums I like a lot this year, but none of them have had the same wow-factor and staying power in my rotation.
Same here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 18, 2021, 05:07:22 PM
I actually played Senjutsu this morning at work. It is an excellent album. AOTY is going to be a tough choice. Seems like every one of my favorite artists put out an album this year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on December 18, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
I actually played Senjutsu this morning at work. It is an excellent album. AOTY is going to be a tough choice. Seems like every one of my favorite artists put out an album this year.

I’m definitely curious to see your best of 2021 list. When does the best of list thread start and how many albums can we name? Top 20, 10?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 19, 2021, 04:12:47 AM
Senjutsu is easily album of the year for me.

Same. There are several other albums I like a lot this year, but none of them have had the same wow-factor and staying power in my rotation.

Indeed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 19, 2021, 09:42:55 AM
Senjutsu is easily album of the year for me.

It's an ongoing fist-fight between this and Innocence and Danger; I'm painting my bathroom today and I'll probably listen to both while doing it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 19, 2021, 12:47:10 PM
Senjutsu is easily album of the year for me.

It's an ongoing fist-fight between this and Innocence and Danger; I'm painting my bathroom today and I'll probably listen to both while doing it.

That must be a big fucking bathroom. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on December 19, 2021, 12:53:03 PM
Senjutsu is easily album of the year for me.

It's an ongoing fist-fight between this and Innocence and Danger; I'm painting my bathroom today and I'll probably listen to both while doing it.

That must be a big fucking bathroom. :lol

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 19, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 20, 2021, 08:17:06 AM
HAHA, not really.  I just have a lot to do (didn't get to it this weekend).   I have to put two coats of paint on, I have to remount the two mirrors, mount two new lights, and change out a couple plugs and switches.   I'll get through both, no doubt.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 20, 2021, 08:26:30 AM
You guys must be speed painters or something, takes me forever to paint walls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on December 20, 2021, 08:31:33 AM
That's because the writing's on the wall.





 :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 20, 2021, 10:06:35 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 20, 2021, 10:34:01 AM
Well...they added a second show in Anaheim.  Didn't even know until I got a Ticketmaster email and decided to click on the link to see what was available.  I actually thought it was the final public on-sale for the first show until I noticed MUCH better seats and then I saw "Thursday" instead of "Wednesday."  I got a front row aisle seat in the upper level.  Because it was upper level, it wasn't a "premium aisle" seat that required me to buy two seats.  I'm figuring it should give me a pretty good view.  $90 ticket price, so $126 after Ripoffmaster fees.

Now let's hope I don't forget about it nine months later!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on December 21, 2021, 03:31:28 PM
Iron Maiden making US news.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/viral-storm-photo-includes-doctored-image-of-iron-maidens-eddie-mascot-from-brave-new-world-cover/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/20/fact-check-skull-image-mixes-album-cover-art-storm-photo/8892764002/

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4839544649442344&set=a.105320129531510&type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2021, 03:35:08 PM
 :lol

People thought that was real?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 21, 2021, 03:38:21 PM
:lol

People thought that was real?

Yeah, no shit. People are fucking stupid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
:lol

People thought that was real?

Yeah, no shit. People are fucking stupid.

Stevie Wonder could even tell it was a fucking fake.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on December 22, 2021, 12:19:54 AM
Love it. Looks really cool.

The Facebook comment is priceless. The lord sends us signs of an upside-down Jesus in a cloud that looks like skull-monster?!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 22, 2021, 02:07:39 AM
It's scary how quickly some people will believe an image or text.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 22, 2021, 02:39:21 AM
Wow, look at that picture! That would honestly make a great Iron Maiden cover art...

...wait a minute...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 22, 2021, 09:36:04 AM
Is the news story making people assume people are dumb because the news had a story about it?

The Facebook comments aren't even that funny either. To me, it's just a dumb news story that hilariously worked in getting people to talk about their news story and gather more views for them. So kudos to the news outlets for playing on the Iron Maiden fans. Now that's psychological manipulation at it's best.


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 22, 2021, 12:11:49 PM
Gee, I feel so manipulated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 22, 2021, 12:18:25 PM
Is the news story making people assume people are dumb because the news had a story about it?

The Facebook comments aren't even that funny either. To me, it's just a dumb news story that hilariously worked in getting people to talk about their news story and gather more views for them. So kudos to the news outlets for playing on the Iron Maiden fans. Now that's psychological manipulation at it's best.

What?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 22, 2021, 06:08:42 PM
Happy Birthday Dave!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 22, 2021, 06:31:49 PM
Happy Birthday Dave!  :metal

Amen, brother!
65!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 22, 2021, 06:35:11 PM
These guys for their age are just incredible.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 22, 2021, 06:39:08 PM
They blew me away on the Legacy tour. Especially Nicko. That was the most demanding set I think I've ever seen them play. He was amazing. Janick too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 22, 2021, 06:43:09 PM
I am a bit intrigued to see what they are like on this next tour.  A little time has passed but I have no doubt they'll see be as strong as ever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 23, 2021, 08:01:02 AM
They blew me away on the Legacy tour. Especially Nicko. That was the most demanding set I think I've ever seen them play. He was amazing. Janick too.

This.  I think it's amazing to think that the LAST show I've seen from a band that has been around for 40 years (and, what, 17 albums) was arguably their best.  That was an amazing show (and I am still blown away at the energy in the building for The Number Of The Beast; the place was VIBRATING, or so it seemed).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2022, 04:42:00 PM
I can't think of a song I've listened to more in a 4 month period and not get sick of it than The Parchment. I spin it each day in the morning at work and its on my usual running play list.

I honestly can't think of a song in my life that's had such a lasting effect.  Masterpiece of a song.

Lost in A Lost World is almost the same too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2022, 05:00:50 PM
I can't think of a song I've listened to more in a 4 month period and not get sick of it than The Parchment. I spin it each day in the morning at work and its on my usual running play list.

I honestly can't think of a song in my life that's had such a lasting effect.  Masterpiece of a song.

Lost in A Lost World is almost the same too.



"Meet me tttthhhhhheeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee"
 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy




Also, that final vocal part at the end of LIALW is incredible.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 05, 2022, 05:12:27 PM
Yeah I never thought that I'd be so into a new IM album this far gone.
I haven't bothered with them this much since the TXF album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2022, 06:24:29 PM
I can't think of a song I've listened to more in a 4 month period and not get sick of it than The Parchment. I spin it each day in the morning at work and its on my usual running play list.

I honestly can't think of a song in my life that's had such a lasting effect.  Masterpiece of a song.

Lost in A Lost World is almost the same too.



"Meet me tttthhhhhheeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee"
 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy




Also, that final vocal part at the end of LIALW is incredible.

Its just so damn good each time.  Heaps of fun to play too.  I really hope they consider this one live.  Unlikely, but it would be incredible.

That section both times in Lost World is indeed magic.

Yeah I never thought that I'd be so into a new IM album this far gone.
I haven't bothered with them this much since the TXF album.

When it came out I didn't really feel all TXF comparisons people were making however, now I hear them all over it.  Lost World feels like Fortunes of War part 2 for me mixed with a couple of other X Factor songs.
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Post by: nick_z on January 05, 2022, 06:26:00 PM
I can't think of a song I've listened to more in a 4 month period and not get sick of it than The Parchment. I spin it each day in the morning at work and its on my usual running play list.

I honestly can't think of a song in my life that's had such a lasting effect.  Masterpiece of a song.

Lost in A Lost World is almost the same too.

"Meet me tttthhhhhheeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee"
 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy



Yes, yes, yes! Definitely one of the standout moments in the whole album. The way Bruce sings it almost gives me Seventh Son vibes. Fantastic song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2022, 06:26:37 PM
Great call on the 7th Son vibes!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2022, 06:45:32 PM
Yup. Can't be all coincidence. Too many things are evident.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2022, 07:24:22 PM
Yup. Can't be all coincidence. Too many things are evident.

There's got to be just more to it than this though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on January 05, 2022, 11:41:14 PM
Reading these last few posts is music to my ears (eyes, whatever)...

My guess is early touring for the older deep cuts inspired some return to those eras and God Bless them for it as after what I felt was a mediocre first single with Writing On The Wall (works better as an album track) then hinting at something more with the excellent Stratego, they've delivered the surprise album of the year and what I feel is their best album since Brave New World :metal

Agree regards Hell On Earth.  Epic stuff sounding like a blend of Only The Good Die Young and Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son (the title-track).  Cannot get enough of it and Lost In A Lost World with all its X-Factor-isms and absolutely beautiful outro (in which Bruce delivers one of his finest vocal performances period), is probably my favorite song of theirs since The Wickerman, Brave New World and Paschendale. No two ways about it, it's essential Maiden!

Personally The Parchment was a slow burn fer me but in the last couple weeks since returning to the album in full it's the one that has really opened up.  Thoroughly into it and feel free to continue dissecting and pulling it apart pointing out all the good this one am enjoying every damn second of it all \m/





Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 06, 2022, 01:44:24 AM
I kind of disliked The Parchment at first, but for some reason, it kept drawing me in. Now I could listen to it every day, it's hypnotic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 06, 2022, 04:25:03 AM
Reading these last few posts is music to my ears (eyes, whatever)...

My guess is early touring for the older deep cuts inspired some return to those eras and God Bless them for it as after what I felt was a mediocre first single with Writing On The Wall (works better as an album track) then hinting at something more with the excellent Stratego, they've delivered the surprise album of the year and what I feel is their best album since Brave New World :metal

Agree regards Hell On Earth.  Epic stuff sounding like a blend of Only The Good Die Young and Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son (the title-track).  Cannot get enough of it and Lost In A Lost World with all its X-Factor-isms and absolutely beautiful outro (in which Bruce delivers one of his finest vocal performances period), is probably my favorite song of theirs since The Wickerman, Brave New World and Paschendale. No two ways about it, it's essential Maiden!

Personally The Parchment was a slow burn fer me but in the last couple weeks since returning to the album in full it's the one that has really opened up.  Thoroughly into it and feel free to continue dissecting and pulling it apart pointing out all the good this one am enjoying every damn second of it all \m/

Nice post mate.  Glad you rate Lost World as high, its incredible.

I kind of disliked The Parchment at first, but for some reason, it kept drawing me in. Now I could listen to it every day, it's hypnotic.

Hypnotic is a great word for it mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 06, 2022, 07:15:24 AM
Yup. Can't be all coincidence. Too many things are evident.

There's got to be just more to it than this though.

But wouldn't you like to know the truth?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 06, 2022, 07:18:29 AM
Wolfie, are you sticking by your assessment from a bunch of pages back about who plays what solo?  I want to go back, maybe this weekend, and relisten to the album with that in front of me to hear each solo.   I used to laugh when Priest would put "who played what solo" on the album jackets; I honestly could have cared less, and thought it was typical Priest nonsense.

I know we're in the middle of a love-fest here over this album, but I can't remember a Maiden record where almost every solo has at one time or another jumped out at me like this.  I'm Team Murray, but even the obvious Janick solos seem to make my head turn.   Can't WAIT for this material live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 06, 2022, 02:15:28 PM
Wolfie, are you sticking by your assessment from a bunch of pages back about who plays what solo?  I want to go back, maybe this weekend, and relisten to the album with that in front of me to hear each solo.   I used to laugh when Priest would put "who played what solo" on the album jackets; I honestly could have cared less, and thought it was typical Priest nonsense.

I know we're in the middle of a love-fest here over this album, but I can't remember a Maiden record where almost every solo has at one time or another jumped out at me like this.  I'm Team Murray, but even the obvious Janick solos seem to make my head turn.   Can't WAIT for this material live.

Yeah mate, lock them in.  I'll go back tonight though and make sure but I don't think there was anything obvious I missed or got wrong.

Dave has some of his most creative work since BNW mainly that wonderful Parchment solo, Janick really impressed me here, especially that song again and Adrian has his best work since Chemical Wedding IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on January 07, 2022, 06:02:47 AM
Bruce will be working on a new solo album later this year.

https://loudwire.com/bruce-dickinson-work-on-solo-album-2022/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2022, 10:21:54 AM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 07, 2022, 12:10:21 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath. He's been working on it for almost ten years.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 07, 2022, 01:49:10 PM
I'll believe it when I have the cd in my hands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on January 09, 2022, 03:24:14 PM
We kind of got half an album already and it went something like this...

If Eternity Should Fail
Speed Of Light
Writing On The Wall
Days Of Future Past
Darkest Hour
Empire Of The Clouds

But seriously yeah, keen as for another Bruce release particularly if he's teaming with Roy Z again but who knows right!?  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on January 10, 2022, 12:15:57 AM
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 11, 2022, 05:17:59 AM
I wouldn't hold my breath. He's been working on it for almost ten years.  :lol

I saw his show at the beginning of 2019 and he said that a new album would  be coming, "not soon, but it's in the works" or something like that..... so yeah, count me in the "I'll believe it when I see it" group  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on January 15, 2022, 03:39:55 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-says-iron-maiden-will-perform-entire-senjutsu-album-on-future-tour/

Now there's a show not to be missed! Glad he's able to confidently confirm that this is what they plan to do. The album definitely warrants this treatment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2022, 03:45:30 PM
Oh wow!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on January 15, 2022, 04:52:00 PM
Oh wow!

 But I heard the singer from MAULE will be doing the tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 15, 2022, 04:58:36 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-says-iron-maiden-will-perform-entire-senjutsu-album-on-future-tour/

Now there's a show not to be missed! Glad he's able to confidently confirm that this is what they plan to do. The album definitely warrants this treatment.
My first thought was "pass." If they do what Bruce is suggesting, a normal tour and then a smaller venue tour to play the new album I'd be real cool with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2022, 05:26:35 PM
Oh wow!

 But I heard the singer from MAULE will be doing the tour.

 ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 15, 2022, 05:53:06 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-says-iron-maiden-will-perform-entire-senjutsu-album-on-future-tour/

Now there's a show not to be missed! Glad he's able to confidently confirm that this is what they plan to do. The album definitely warrants this treatment.

I would give almost anything to see this.  Devastating that I'm not going too.  I hope there's a proper DVD of it at least.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 15, 2022, 05:54:07 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-says-iron-maiden-will-perform-entire-senjutsu-album-on-future-tour/

Now there's a show not to be missed! Glad he's able to confidently confirm that this is what they plan to do. The album definitely warrants this treatment.

I would give almost anything to see this.  Devastating that I'm not going too.  I hope there's a proper DVD of it at least.

NOT edited by Steve Harris.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 15, 2022, 05:55:07 PM
 :lol okay, fair.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on January 16, 2022, 01:42:33 AM
V unusually for a Maiden fan, I've never been blown away by them live, but always had a good night out. I suspect it's more to do with my lack of enthusiasm for bigger venues.

I'd totally go for a full Senjutsu in a smaller venue, though. I wonder what venues they'd be...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Melphina on January 16, 2022, 07:33:55 AM
Might be seeing Maiden for the very first time this year and I'm excited. Better late than never.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 16, 2022, 07:48:36 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-says-iron-maiden-will-perform-entire-senjutsu-album-on-future-tour/

Now there's a show not to be missed! Glad he's able to confidently confirm that this is what they plan to do. The album definitely warrants this treatment.

Cool, I love when bands show this conviction about the new material! And I think it's really right to announce it clearly for those that will buy the tickets, like DT did with the TA's tour. It's a kind of show that it's not for every fan of the band.
So, Maiden should go deeper in that and complete the rest of the show with only more obscure tracks of their catalogue!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 16, 2022, 09:13:46 AM
Ah, if only!

Something like:

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
22 Acacia Avenue
Iron Maiden (this has to stay forever and ever)
===========
Alexander the Great (happy you whiners?)
Rainmaker
Only the Good Die Young
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 16, 2022, 10:03:31 AM
Here's a set list that I would personally like to see, but I don't think it's unprobable either.

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
Fear of the dark
Iron Maiden
---
The Wicker man
Rainmaker
Coming home
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 16, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
Interesting that probably, after playing Senjutsu, Maiden will play FOTD, 666, Iron Maiden etc to a part of its fan base that most dislikes them repeating those songs in every show. :facepalm:
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Post by: wolfking on January 16, 2022, 01:09:18 PM
Ah, if only!

Something like:

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
22 Acacia Avenue
Iron Maiden (this has to stay forever and ever)
===========
Alexander the Great (happy you whiners?)
Rainmaker
Only the Good Die Young

Some nice deep cuts there.

Personally, would love to see Judas Be My Guide.
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Post by: Glasser on January 16, 2022, 01:18:57 PM
Ah, if only!

Something like:

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
22 Acacia Avenue
Iron Maiden (this has to stay forever and ever)
===========
Alexander the Great (happy you whiners?)
Rainmaker
Only the Good Die Young

Some nice deep cuts there.

Personally, would love to see Judas Be My Guide.

Now I hope they play Deep Cuts The Knife by Helix.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on January 16, 2022, 03:08:30 PM
Ah, if only!

Something like:

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
22 Acacia Avenue
Iron Maiden (this has to stay forever and ever)
===========
Alexander the Great (happy you whiners?)
Rainmaker
Only the Good Die Young

Some nice deep cuts there.

Personally, would love to see Judas Be My Guide.

Had to listen Judas Be My Guide after seeing this, since I have not heard it in years! What a song! :metal

In the realm of IM deep cuts, that I'd like to see them play live include:

Sea of Madness
The Mercenary
Rainmaker
Face in The Sand
Infinite Dreams
Killers
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on January 17, 2022, 02:15:46 AM
Some great calls with Judas My Guide (IMO the best cut on FOTD) Infinite Dreams and Only The Good Die Young!

If rounding it to 5 I'd add Revelations and Sun And Steel \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 17, 2022, 03:32:57 AM
I heavily back that Sea of Madness shout.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 17, 2022, 05:17:58 AM
Here's a set list that I would personally like to see, but I don't think it's unprobable either.

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
Fear of the dark
Iron Maiden
---
The Wicker man
Rainmaker
Coming home

I'd switch the encore order; starting with Coming Home after some speech, and then ending with The Wicker Man, a fast energetic song with people chanting Oh oh oh ho ho ho at the end is not a bad way to end a show.
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Post by: Stadler on January 17, 2022, 08:14:41 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-says-iron-maiden-will-perform-entire-senjutsu-album-on-future-tour/

Now there's a show not to be missed! Glad he's able to confidently confirm that this is what they plan to do. The album definitely warrants this treatment.

I will be first in line for that one.  I love this album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Melphina on January 17, 2022, 08:21:01 AM
Turns out we already have tickets for one of the shows. I'll have to warm up to this album  :lol :corn
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 17, 2022, 08:32:31 AM
Wait, though; this isn't for the fall shows, is it?  I thought the new shows added in the fall were still part of the Legacy Of The Beast tour.

EDIT:  Yeah; he says in the article they might do the first three tracks from the new album - Senjutsi, Stratego, Writing On The Wall - on this tour to open the show (but that means that the Spitfire appearance will have to be adjusted, no?)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Melphina on January 17, 2022, 08:58:33 AM
D'oh. Where's my coffee... :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 17, 2022, 09:23:24 AM
Here's a set list that I would personally like to see, but I don't think it's unprobable either.

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
Fear of the dark
Iron Maiden
---
The Wicker man
Rainmaker
Coming home
Actually it is unprobable, given how Maiden's shows are only about 100 minutes long. Senjutsu itself is 82 mins, FotD is at least 7.5 mins (going by recent live versions) and IM is at least 5 mins (again going by recent live versions). Round up the album to about 85 mins with gaps in-between songs for Bruce to speak and you've got room for maybe one other track - and that's if they're willing to push past the 100 minute mark. If so, they'd probably do Number of the Beast and call it a night.

If there's one thing that I hate about Maiden live, it's that about 1/3 of their show is the same overplayed tracks they do at every show and I doubt that's gonna change for the Senjutsu tour, although I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong.

On the wishful thinking line of thought, I agree that Sea of Madness would be an awesome obscure track to resurrect, as would To Tame a Land and Flash of the Blade or The Duellists (both underrated tracks, IMO that I know never were played live). And of course Alexander the Great, too. But given the direction they've continued to go in, I'd especially love to see them add Prodigal Son to the setlist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 17, 2022, 11:54:08 AM
Here's a set list that I would personally like to see, but I don't think it's unprobable either.

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
Fear of the dark
Iron Maiden
---
The Wicker man
Rainmaker
Coming home
Actually it is unprobable, given how Maiden's shows are only about 100 minutes long. Senjutsu itself is 82 mins, FotD is at least 7.5 mins (going by recent live versions) and IM is at least 5 mins (again going by recent live versions). Round up the album to about 85 mins with gaps in-between songs for Bruce to speak and you've got room for maybe one other track - and that's if they're willing to push past the 100 minute mark. If so, they'd probably do Number of the Beast and call it a night.
The Final Frontier tour was about 108 minutes, according to En Vivo on Wikipedia. Given that this encore would consist of songs around four minute mark, it isn't much of a stretch. Also, we could look at the number of songs they usually perform per show. They've pretty much never played less than 15, which would make the idea of adding only a song or two to the Senjutsu performance fairly unprobable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 17, 2022, 12:11:23 PM
The AMOLAD tour was 10 album tracks, two songs, and three encores. Senjutsu is one song longer but I'd believe they'd still play 15 songs, they basically always had 3 songs in the encore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 17, 2022, 02:26:03 PM
This isn't unprecedented; Dream Theater toured The Astonishing and I think they did one or two songs for the encore.  Not unreasonable that Maiden is familiar with this.   Neal Morse toured both The Similitude and The Great Adventure and played one or two songs for the encore.  Via Portnoy and Nicko (or maybe Bruce), it's not unreasonable that Maiden is familiar with this.   

It would run afoul of the way Harris has done business over the years, but he's apparently relinquished a fair amount of the decision-making on this to Bruce, and maybe this is Bruce's way of pushing the envelope a bit.

I'd be all OVER a Senjutsu tour, the album in it's entirety, with an encore of some combo of FOTD, Iron Maiden, Run To The Hills or The Number Of The Beast. 

Imagine how awesome the set closer of the second disk would be live.   I've got chills just thinking about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2022, 03:45:32 PM
I'm wondering if the Senjutsu tour for the full album will be an Ed Force One tour with limited dates globally.  I feel the draw for the full album live is kind of limited.  I would love to see it, and I know lots here would as well, but considering how poorly the AMOLAD tour was received in the US, I could see the band using this as an opportunity for a smaller tour but hitting different markets to make it worthy similar to the first leg of the Book of Souls tour.  Would make for a perfect follow up to the Flight 666 documentary too if they wanted to go that route with making a video out of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 17, 2022, 05:55:33 PM
This isn't unprecedented; Dream Theater toured The Astonishing and I think they did one or two songs for the encore.  Not unreasonable that Maiden is familiar with this.   Neal Morse toured both The Similitude and The Great Adventure and played one or two songs for the encore.  Via Portnoy and Nicko (or maybe Bruce), it's not unreasonable that Maiden is familiar with this.   

It would run afoul of the way Harris has done business over the years, but he's apparently relinquished a fair amount of the decision-making on this to Bruce, and maybe this is Bruce's way of pushing the envelope a bit.

I'd be all OVER a Senjutsu tour, the album in it's entirety, with an encore of some combo of FOTD, Iron Maiden, Run To The Hills or The Number Of The Beast. 

Imagine how awesome the set closer of the second disk would be live.   I've got chills just thinking about it.

I just smileed in my pants.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on January 17, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
I heavily back that Sea of Madness shout.

Me too - Somewhere in Time has been sadly underrepresented in this century's Maiden setlists. Always happy to hear Wasted Years, don't really need more Heaven Can Wait (although it's a fun song), and I'd LOVE it if they dusted off Caught Somewhere in Time, Sea of Madness and Loneliness...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 17, 2022, 07:11:47 PM
I heavily back that Sea of Madness shout.

Me too - Somewhere in Time has been sadly underrepresented in this century's Maiden setlists. Always happy to hear Wasted Years, don't really need more Heaven Can Wait (although it's a fun song), and I'd LOVE it if they dusted off Caught Somewhere in Time, Sea of Madness and Loneliness...

Yep, completely agree with this whole statement.  Stranger too would be very refreshing in the set these days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 18, 2022, 12:23:12 AM
I'd be all OVER a Senjutsu tour, the album in it's entirety, with an encore of some combo of FOTD, Iron Maiden, Run To The Hills or The Number Of The Beast. 

Imagine how awesome the set closer of the second disk would be live.   I've got chills just thinking about it.

 :metal :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 18, 2022, 02:42:41 AM
I'm never a fan of bands playing an entire album, I just think that it sounds good on paper, but never works in the flesh. I love Senjutsu, and I'd love to hear all of those songs played live. But all together, in one go, in that order? I'd go see it, sure, but I'd expect to leave slightly disappointed.

Everything I've seen, from Roger Waters doing The Wall to Dream Theater doing The Astonishing, I've felt was really good, but could have done with being messed around with a few other songs in there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 18, 2022, 11:37:13 AM
I'm never a fan of bands playing an entire album, I just think that it sounds good on paper, but never works in the flesh. I love Senjutsu, and I'd love to hear all of those songs played live. But all together, in one go, in that order? I'd go see it, sure, but I'd expect to leave slightly disappointed.

Everything I've seen, from Roger Waters doing The Wall to Dream Theater doing The Astonishing, I've felt was really good, but could have done with being messed around with a few other songs in there.

It worked quite well when Rush did it with Moving Pictures (less so with Clockwork Angels, but having the string section helped).  Of course Senjutsu is more than twice as long than Moving Pictures.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on January 18, 2022, 11:51:56 AM
I've seen Roger Waters performing The Wall in full - absolutely amazing both visually and musically.
At the opposite end seeing Symphony X playing all of the Underworld album was a massive let down.
Their first ever AU tour, and most of us were expecting a 'best of/greatest hits' set list.
Instead we got the entire Underworld album, a Led Zep cover (very bizarre) and a couple of older songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on January 18, 2022, 02:00:06 PM
I'm never a fan of bands playing an entire album, I just think that it sounds good on paper, but never works in the flesh. I love Senjutsu, and I'd love to hear all of those songs played live. But all together, in one go, in that order? I'd go see it, sure, but I'd expect to leave slightly disappointed.

Yes, I agree with this. It makes the majority of the set list very predictable and takes away that anticipation of what song may be coming next. Also when you have listened to an album many times in order, it just seems to lose something when you hear the same thing in the same order live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 18, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
I've seen it go both ways. I've seen both Roger and Gilmour's Floyd play DSotM and they were both excellent. Priest playing British Steel was good, despite being a generally awful album. Moving Pictures was great. At the other end of the spectrum one of the most boring shows I've seen was Boston subjecting us all to Third Stage at the Texxas Jam, standing around like a bunch of statues. I think part of the appeal is that you get to see cool songs that aren't typically played live. Any Colour You Like, Rapid Fire, and Camera Eye are fine examples. If the album sucks then you get saddled with Amanda.

Off the top of my head:

Third Stage
Mindcrimes I&2 x2 and x1
Moving Pictures x2
Clockwork Angels
British Steel
Astonishing x3
Metropolis Pt. 2
I&W
The Yes Album x2
Fragile
Close to the Edge 2
Going for the One
The Wall x2
DSotM x3

There are probably more that I'm forgetting. That said, most of those were pretty cool. Only a couple I didn't really care for. It certainly depends on whether or not you like the album, but also how they're doing it. Most of those were either multiple albums, or an album and a bunch of other stuff. The Wall and Astonishing were both letdowns simply because you really were only hearing 1 thing. Maiden would simply be Senjitsu plus two staples, and I don't think I'd care for it all that much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2022, 02:59:29 PM
I think part of the appeal is that you get to see cool songs that aren't typically played live.

I think for a lot of the hardcore fans, it comes down to this.

It seems fairly certain IM will never play Lord of Light again, but I got to see it and remember enjoying it.  I think that's fairly cool even if the song is not something I would be requesting to see live at an Iron Maiden concert.

But I also think you are right that it comes down to the album and the presentation of it.  I thought the presentation of TA was actually pretty cool, just that the show itself was kind of dull.  It didn't make for the greatest concert in the end.  But I&W was fantastic IMO, and it had none of the cool presentation aspects like TA had, but it's just such a good album that it didn't matter.

When the Offspring performed the entire Smash album, I mostly thought it was cool but didn't like how they changed it so the hit song was played at the end, not middle, of the album.  It just didn't make sense since they played another 5 or so hit songs after the full album, the could have kept the song in place and it would have worked out better IMO.

Epica skipped one song on their 10th anniversary tour of  Design Your Universe.  Seemed really odd to leave 1 song out, at that point, might as well not make it a point to play just about the entire thing, and I say this as someone who thinks that song is the worst on the album too.  It just feels odd if you are going to skip a track. 

My point being, there's lots of good and bad ways of doing this.  If IM truly do all of Senjutsu, I think Bruce is going to need to work some theatricals into the show as those songs will not keep the average IM engaged just like it didn't during the AMOLAD tour. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 18, 2022, 02:59:39 PM
The whole Senjutsu thing is so far off. I can't see it happening until next year anyway. Bruce already said this upcoming tour is a Legacy tour because that's what it was marketed as and the tickets sold for. I just can't see them swinging through again this year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 18, 2022, 03:22:39 PM
Mindcrimes I&2 x2 and x1
...
Metropolis Pt. 2
The Yes Album x2
...
Close to the Edge 2
Going for the One

Yeah...these were all good (and the three Yes albums were all in the same show).  I saw the original Mindcrime in full once and without Suite Sister Mary once.  Both were amazing (never seen II).  I'd also add Images & Words to the list.  They played it in full (although not in order) at the first four DT shows I saw (although, to be fair, they only had two albums at that point) and on the I&W&B tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on January 18, 2022, 03:47:43 PM
Mindcrimes I&2 x2 and x1
...
Metropolis Pt. 2
The Yes Album x2
...
Close to the Edge 2
Going for the One

Yeah...these were all good (and the three Yes albums were all in the same show).  I saw the original Mindcrime in full once and without Suite Sister Mary once.  Both were amazing (never seen II).  I'd also add Images & Words to the list.  They played it in full (although not in order) at the first four DT shows I saw (although, to be fair, they only had two albums at that point) and on the I&W&B tour.
I caught the I&W thing and added it to my list after seeing Cram mention it (interestingly, he and I were at the same show). That worked fine, but I thought it was a better show for the other material. As for Mindcrime, I believe the presentation you're referring to was technically on the Rage tour, which I sadly blew off. I'll add that to my [thankfully] short list of concert regrets. I didn't like Rage at the time, but it's now my favorite by far, and the Mindcrime thing was legendary.
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Post by: TAC on January 18, 2022, 03:51:42 PM
As for Mindcrime, I believe the presentation you're referring to was technically on the Rage tour, which I sadly blew off. I'll add that to my [thankfully] short list of concert regrets. I didn't like Rage at the time, but it's now my favorite by far, and the Mindcrime thing was legendary.

It was the Empire tour... :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 18, 2022, 04:50:34 PM
I caught the I&W thing and added it to my list after seeing Cram mention it (interestingly, he and I were at the same show). That worked fine, but I thought it was a better show for the other material.

The first set was OK.  TDEN was a great way to start a show, and TBP and Hell's Kitchen were both cool.  I've never cared for TLF (going back to when they used to play it on the I&W tour), and DLPM was, at best, mediocre.  AIA and BAI are excellent but also frequently played, so nothing special.  What really made that show special for me was a complete version of LTL and a full version of ACOS.


As for Mindcrime, I believe the presentation you're referring to was technically on the Rage tour, which I sadly blew off. I'll add that to my [thankfully] short list of concert regrets. I didn't like Rage at the time, but it's now my favorite by far, and the Mindcrime thing was legendary.

Nope.  The Rage tour ran from late July 1986 through February 1987.  It looks like they played some headlining dates later in the tour, but I saw them open for AC/DC.  The set list was six songs from Rage (including opening with an AMAZING version of Neue Regel) plus Deliverance, QOTR and Take Hold.

On the Mindcrime tour, I saw them open twice for Metallica in December 1988.  They probably played 40% of OM (along with QOTR and Take Hold).  They came back in May 1989 (with Warrant opening) and played all of OM, except for SSM.  Absolutely mind-blowing set list.  They finally did all of OM when they toured in support of Empire between October 1990 and January 1992.  Three of the shows on that tour (May 1991) were used for the Operation: Livecrime album/video.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2022, 05:37:39 PM
The Ozzy/Metallica show in Providence which was postponed was moved to September of 1986, but with Queensryche opening. I sold my tickets.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 18, 2022, 06:10:07 PM
I am ALL IN for the 2023 Senjutso show! F*** the standards! I love seeing new and unplayed previously songs at EVERY SHOW I attend.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2022, 06:15:18 PM
If I had my druthers, I really wouldn't want Senjutsu played in its entirety. I really love only 5 songs off the album and the rest range from ok to good.

I know when the title track is played, that's a piss break for sure. Maybe sneak in a #2 while I'm at it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 18, 2022, 06:34:01 PM
If I had my druthers, I really wouldn't want Senjutsu played in its entirety. I really love only 5 songs off the album and the rest range from ok to good.

I know when the title track is played, that's a piss break for sure. Maybe sneak in a #2 while I'm at it.

I love the album, but I'd be more than happy if they only played the second CD plus Lost World.  The rest I wouldn't be mad about not seeing them play live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2022, 06:37:57 PM
If I had my druthers, I really wouldn't want Senjutsu played in its entirety. I really love only 5 songs off the album and the rest range from ok to good.

I know when the title track is played, that's a piss break for sure. Maybe sneak in a #2 while I'm at it.

I love the album, but I'd be more than happy if they only played the second CD plus Lost World.  The rest I wouldn't be mad about not seeing them play live.

Give me:

Stratego
Lost In A Lost World
Darkest Hour
The Parchment
Hell On Earth


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 18, 2022, 07:18:39 PM
Stratego over Celts......hmm....can't buy into that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on January 18, 2022, 07:25:57 PM
I personally would take The Writing on the Wall and The Time Machine over Stratego...

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2022, 07:39:21 PM
I like Stratego, what can I say. It's been a welcomed addition to my Five Minutes To Midnight playlist.

I don't think Death Of The Celts is a great tune. It's fine, but not in the elite league of The Parchment and Hell On Earth.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on January 18, 2022, 07:44:42 PM
The Ozzy/Metallica show in Providence which was postponed was moved to September of 1986, but with Queensryche opening. I sold my tickets.


Why?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on January 18, 2022, 07:46:49 PM
The Ozzy/Metallica show in Providence which was postponed was moved to September of 1986, but with Queensryche opening. I sold my tickets.

Why?

Cause he was only 4 years old and his parents told him he couldn't go.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on January 18, 2022, 07:50:33 PM
The Ozzy/Metallica show in Providence which was postponed was moved to September of 1986, but with Queensryche opening. I sold my tickets.

Why?

Cause he was only 4 years old and his parents told him he couldn't go.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2022, 07:55:24 PM
The Ozzy/Metallica show in Providence which was postponed was moved to September of 1986, but with Queensryche opening. I sold my tickets.


Why?

In hindsight, I really regret it. But I thought and still think The Ultimate Sin blows, and I was not into Rage For Order in the least when it came out. I had just started college and decided to sell the tix.

I originally bought tix for the show to see Metallica anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on January 18, 2022, 08:02:25 PM
The Ozzy/Metallica show in Providence which was postponed was moved to September of 1986, but with Queensryche opening. I sold my tickets.


Why?

In hindsight, I really regret it. But I thought and still think The Ultimate Sin blows, and I was not into Rage For Order in the least when it came out. I had just started college and decided to sell the tix.

I originally bought tix for the show to see Metallica anyway.

Never is still one of my favorite Ozzy tunes. I like the album as a whole except for the "nuke ya nuke ya" in thank god for the bomb.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on January 18, 2022, 09:48:01 PM
Here's a ridiculous idea: what if they loaded the set with non-Senjutsu songs before and after the main event? It's absolutely an impossible pipe dream, but hear me out:

1. Alexander the Great (live debut) (duh)
2. Prodigal Son (live debut)
3-12. Senjutsu
-Encore-
13. Montsegur (live debut)
14. Iron Maiden (just because)

I don't know if this'd please ALL of the die hards, but it'd definitely make me pretty happy  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 19, 2022, 01:09:01 AM
Stratego over Celts......hmm....can't buy into that.

Yeah, but be reasonable: Stratego is a "single" and one of the shorter and catchiest tracks, of course it's gonna be played.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Architeuthis on January 19, 2022, 01:27:01 AM
Here's a ridiculous idea: what if they loaded the set with non-Senjutsu songs before and after the main event? It's absolutely an impossible pipe dream, but hear me out:

1. Alexander the Great (live debut) (duh)
2. Prodigal Son (live debut)
3-12. Senjutsu
-Encore-
13. Montsegur (live debut)

I actually think that Montsegur would go over well live, so good call!  If I had to choose a song from DoD though, it would have to be Paschendale, just because it's so darn metal and epic..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2022, 03:49:38 AM
Stratego over Celts......hmm....can't buy into that.

Yeah, but be reasonable: Stratego is a "single" and one of the shorter and catchiest tracks, of course it's gonna be played.

Oh yeah of course, I was merely thinking which song I'd prefer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 19, 2022, 10:05:14 AM
Montsegur is an amazing song, but I doubt that it can be sung in a live environment… besides the solo, the vocals literally don’t rest a single second!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2022, 10:24:53 AM
I don't think Death Of The Celts is a great tune. It's fine, but not in the elite league of The Parchment and Hell On Earth.

This. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2022, 02:18:07 PM
I don't think Death Of The Celts is a great tune. It's fine, but not in the elite league of The Parchment and Hell On Earth.

While I think its a great tune, I completely agree with the rest of that statement.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on January 19, 2022, 02:23:35 PM
Death of the Celts is my favorite of the album but I do agree that the whole second disc is just great stuff. For me this is their best post-AMOLAD album and I did not expect that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2022, 02:25:41 PM
My problem with Death of Celts is that it feels like a worse version of The Clansman and immediately makes me feel the song is unnecessary.  Then add in that it just doesn't hold up to the other epics, it ends up being one of my least favorites on the new album. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2022, 02:35:45 PM
My problem with Death of Celts is that it feels like a worse version of The Clansman and immediately makes me feel the song is unnecessary.  Then add in that it just doesn't hold up to the other epics, it ends up being one of my least favorites on the new album.

Its definitely The Clansman 2.0.

Damn that melody around the 8 minute mark though is one of the best moments on the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on January 22, 2022, 01:25:49 AM
It's quite an uplifting tune. And those melodies do have a strong whiff of Scotland to me (though I don't know a thing about Scottish music). It's been a while since i listened to the Clansman but I don't recall it being either of those things.

I listened to the album through on a car journey last week and was blown away by it again. Had been a couple of weeks since I heard it. Hell On Earth is such a mighty closer. (And an amazing example of what NOT playing to a click can produce)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on January 22, 2022, 11:26:33 PM
I have to say, I'm a little skeptical of the Death of the Celts/Clansman comparisons from a musical perspective. There are some similarities, but I have to wonder if the comparison would be made so often if the lyrics were about something else. Speaking strictly musically, I'd say When the Wild Wind Blows sooner than I'd say The Clansman.

Either way, I agree with "great, but not in the elite league of The Parchment and Hell on Earth." Those are my easy top two on the album, then Darkest Hour, then Death of the Celts is in a pretty close competition with Lost in a Lost World.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on January 23, 2022, 12:30:04 AM
I certainly hear the comparisons but it doesn't kill me nor make the song any less enjoyable even if I do tend to find them a tad samey in headspace.

Of late...

1. Lost In A Lost World
2. Hell On Earth
3. Stratego
4. Days Of Future Past
5. The Parchment (lately replacing Senjutsu)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on January 23, 2022, 01:17:02 AM
I love Maiden but if I took the 'It sounds like X song they made earlier and therefor this has no purpose" reasoning into account, I could probably dismiss 70% of their discography.  :lol I don't think they're a band who constantly push themselves to be original and come up with new things and that's fine. What surprised me the most with Senjutsu was how many good riffs and melodic bits they still had in them. I might have to revisit Book of Souls because while I didn't dislike that album, at the time I remember thinking "Nothing about this really feels exciting" and to me Senjutsu has plenty of songs that feel great.

Overall I think it's good that Maiden in the 2000s and onward evolved into a slightly proggier band with longer songs because I think that's where their current strength is. I don't think Maiden has written a really good short 'radio hit' type song since maybe The Wicker Man which is over 20 years old, and I don't feel any of the short 'radio songs' of the last 4-5 albums have really managed to hold up well against the 80's equivalents, however I do think their epics have been very good and even if it's hard to match Rime of the Ancient Mariner or Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, I think the modern Maiden albums have done a great job of getting close.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 24, 2022, 04:56:04 AM
I don't think Maiden has written a really good short 'radio hit' type song since maybe The Wicker Man which is over 20 years old, and I don't feel any of the short 'radio songs' of the last 4-5 albums have really managed to hold up well against the 80's equivalents,

I thought Different World was brilliant. Can't claim to be a big fan of Speed of Light, but I think it held up well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on January 24, 2022, 05:49:37 AM
I don't think Maiden has written a really good short 'radio hit' type song since maybe The Wicker Man which is over 20 years old, and I don't feel any of the short 'radio songs' of the last 4-5 albums have really managed to hold up well against the 80's equivalents,

I thought Different World was brilliant. Can't claim to be a big fan of Speed of Light, but I think it held up well.

Hmmm seems they've managed at least one each album fer my ears...

The Wickerman, The Fallen Angel, Rainmaker, Different World, The Alchemist, Death Or Glory, Stratego, Days Of Future Past.

Granted they may not exactly tick that box but regardless, agree it would be cool to have gotten a few more along the way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on January 26, 2022, 12:26:08 PM
Australian band Lord covering Stratego.

https://lordofficial.bandcamp.com/track/stratego-iron-maiden-cover
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 26, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
Yeah I posted that when they released it.  They did a wonderful job.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on January 26, 2022, 12:53:35 PM
Yeah I posted that when they released it.  They did a wonderful job.

Sorry I didn't see it. I love Lord!!!!!!!   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 26, 2022, 12:55:04 PM
Yeah I posted that when they released it.  They did a wonderful job.

Sorry I didn't see it. I love Lord!!!!!!!   :metal

It was a while ago now so no need to apologize.

I love the little Trooper nod at the start of the solo.

They recently did a killer Judas Be My Guide cover also.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on January 26, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
Yeah I posted that when they released it.  They did a wonderful job.

Sorry I didn't see it. I love Lord!!!!!!!   :metal

It was a while ago now so no need to apologize.

I love the little Trooper nod at the start of the solo.

They recently did a killer Judas Be My Guide cover also.
Yes! Their covers album is great!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2022, 09:23:27 AM
So I went to see Bruce Dickinson on his speaking tour in Boston the other night.

It was good.  Interesting.   Entertaining. The guy spoke for almost three hours, straight, with no teleprompter (when I saw the other "Bruce" -  Springsteen - he had a teleprompter on the front of the balcony, so while he improvised, it was a scripted show).  It was good; it was similar in scope to his autobiography in that it was more about HIM than the people around him.  There were more mentions of Iron Maiden here, but no dirt, nothing that might shed light into the band or inner workings.  Though, during the "Q&A" (which wasn't live; he came out with a stack of index cards like Ellen and answered what was on there), he did a killer impression of Steve running around pointing his bass like a rifle.  He also did a couple good impressions of Nicko as well.

I liked it, but my friend - whose favorite album of all time is Killers and still hasn't gotten over that Paul Di'Anno is no longer in the band - was less impressed.  He was right: you had to be a fan of Bruce and his schtick to like the show.   I am, so I did, but even I have one complaint:  I had hoped for something more... substantive.  The other Bruce, when the show was over, and I was heading back on the train, I realized there was insight there, there was a message there, there were even lessons there, if you wanted to go that far.  With "our" Bruce, there didn't seem to be a connection like that.  He had a thread of "mustaches" going through the talk, but it never tied off.  He had a bad mustache when he joined his first band, and he had a bad mustache when he beat cancer, and he pointed that out, but never gave it any import.  I suppose that might be for us to do, but it seemed a little... not pointless, but maybe weightless? 

I will say this, the dude has ENERGY.   Three hours bouncing around the stage talking constantly, and with enthusiasm.  On that level - hitting whatever you're doing as hard as you can - there was some inspiration there. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2022, 09:32:25 AM
... it was similar in scope to his autobiography in that it was more about HIM than the people around him.  There were more mentions of Iron Maiden here, but no dirt, nothing that might shed light into the band or inner workings...

... but even I have one complaint:  I had hoped for something more... substantive.  The other Bruce, when the show was over, and I was heading back on the train, I realized there was insight there, there was a message there, there were even lessons there, if you wanted to go that far.  With "our" Bruce, there didn't seem to be a connection like that. 

Thanks for the writeup Bill, and the pic the other night.


These two passages are why I had ZERO interest in going. I'm not a Buce fan per se, though what you say about his energy is really incredible.


I would so much rather see Steve do a spoken word tour. That, I would pay to see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2022, 10:12:46 AM
Thanks for the review, but damn 3 hours? I really struggle with watching a long movie in one sitting, listening to someone speak for that long even someone like him would make me start to want the show to end about half way through.  Glad you enjoyed it though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2022, 12:25:51 PM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2022, 12:28:06 PM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.

Just imagine if Stadler could talk back...they'd still be there. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 09, 2022, 12:28:49 PM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.

Just imagine if Stadler could talk back...they'd still be there. ;D

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2022, 12:29:41 PM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.

Just imagine if Stadler could talk back...they'd still be there. ;D

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on February 09, 2022, 12:30:23 PM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.

Just imagine if Stadler could talk back...they'd still be there. ;D

 :lol

 :lol :lol

I'll be seeing this show on the 24th in Austin. Pretty stoked about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 09, 2022, 01:11:04 PM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.

Just imagine if Stadler could talk back...they'd still be there. ;D

 :lol

 :lol :lol

I'll be seeing this show on the 24th in Austin. Pretty stoked about it.
Yeah, catching it up here. Intelligent people with a knack for telling stories are always worth seeing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2022, 01:49:37 PM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.

Just imagine if Stadler could talk back...they'd still be there. ;D

 :lol

 :lol :lol

I'll be seeing this show on the 24th in Austin. Pretty stoked about it.
Yeah, catching it up here. Intelligent people with a knack for telling stories are always worth seeing.

TBH, my friend and I are big IM fans and were very much on the edge about going. I read his book so I know his stories and my friend kept thinking it would be boring.  We both mostly wanted to go for the Q&A.  It ended up just pouring so badly that day and I had other plans in the city for the following day that we both opted to not go.  Knowing it would have been 3 hours, I think I would have started getting bored and antsy to get up and do something else so I think it was the right call, but I do wonder if there was some good Q&A that we missed. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 10, 2022, 02:12:00 AM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.

Actually it's 2 hour of the "real" show, talking about the book, then a break, and then 1 hour of answering questions. Which of course adds up to three hours, but it's split that way, 2 hours about the book, and 1 hour of Q&A.

I got mine answered at my show, btw  :D I asked him about his stream of consciousness on stage, what he was thinking during a gig, and to put it very short, he told that he's basically concentrated on everything he has to do and everything that will come up next, to the point, he told it as a joke, that he barely notices he's playing in front of 40K people, too much concentrated to notice that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 10, 2022, 05:34:48 AM
Cool.

Would be great if they were to write a book about the inner workings of the band. Bruce's book didn't do much for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 10, 2022, 08:29:20 AM
He must really love himself to be able to talk for 3 hours.

Actually it's 2 hour of the "real" show, talking about the book, then a break, and then 1 hour of answering questions. Which of course adds up to three hours, but it's split that way, 2 hours about the book, and 1 hour of Q&A.

I got mine answered at my show, btw  :D I asked him about his stream of consciousness on stage, what he was thinking during a gig, and to put it very short, he told that he's basically concentrated on everything he has to do and everything that will come up next, to the point, he told it as a joke, that he barely notices he's playing in front of 40K people, too much concentrated to notice that.

How did the questions come about? Did you fill out a card at the start of the show?  Why didn't I have the chance to submit a question?!?!  :) :) :) :)

Look, it was three hours, it was not much new (for me), but I also said it was entertaining.  The guy is CLEARLY comfortable and at home on a stage, and seeing a man in his element is always a treat. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 10, 2022, 09:26:03 AM
Don't know why they didn't give the chance to you, but that's exactly how it went down at my show, there were cards at the start of the show to write, and someone came to collect them.

Funny thing is that I'm not the best writer in the hall to put it mildly, so when Bruce was reading my question he stumbled a bit trying to decipher my handwriting, and so in the silence of the hall you could hear my small and shy voice tring to suggest him the word when he was stumbling on "stream of consciousness"  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2022, 09:29:31 AM
My friend and I were brainstorming interesting/odd questions we would have submitted if we went.  Things like, how did Steve Harris react to your solo song Zulu Lulu?  Of course we figured our oddball questions wouldn't get selected, but that was the part of the show I was most interested in seeing. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 10, 2022, 10:55:14 AM
Some of the questions were good - how did you feel replacing Paul Di'Anno - since they triggered good stories (that was when he did the Harry impression) and some were softballs - what is your favorite American brewed beer - since he just answered HIS latest beer which is brewed in America. 

(https://i.imgur.com/vbVpH4I.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 10, 2022, 01:22:24 PM
My question was not asked in 2019 when I saw the same "spoken word tour" of his. Feel free to ask if you think it's an interesting one: "What would have made you stay in Maiden in 1994?"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2022, 02:16:55 PM
Interesting shoe colour selection.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 10, 2022, 03:29:58 PM
My question was not asked in 2019 when I saw the same "spoken word tour" of his. Feel free to ask if you think it's an interesting one: "What would have made you stay in Maiden in 1994?"

That's a very interesting one!

But I assume that the "real" question should be "what wouldn't have made you want to leave", since I believe that nothing could have made him change his mind once he decided to go.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2022, 03:31:51 PM
My question was not asked in 2019 when I saw the same "spoken word tour" of his. Feel free to ask if you think it's an interesting one: "What would have made you stay in Maiden in 1994?"

That's a very interesting one!

But I assume that the "real" question should be "what wouldn't have made you want to leave", since I believe that nothing could have made him change his mind once he decided to go.

Yeah, I think this is a good question but only if there's an actual answer.  It kind of seems like "nothing" is the answer, but if he has some sort of insight that he could share, that would make the question very interesting.  I'm just not sure that's the case here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 10, 2022, 05:40:24 PM
 The "official" version, or as official as we're ever going to get, is that he left because he didn't agree with Steve taking over the production, and wanted to explore different types of music. Maybe if Steve conceded and the whole decision making process in Maiden was a little more democratic, he would have reconsidered?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2022, 05:41:17 PM
The "official" version, or as official as we're ever going to get, is that he left because he didn't agree with Steve taking over the production, and wanted to explore different types of music. Maybe if Steve conceded and the whole decision making process in Maiden was a little more democratic, he would have reconsidered?

Huh. I've never heard that before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 10, 2022, 05:46:14 PM
Bruce is one of my favorite artists period, his solo catalog and Maiden releases remain constants and form a good portion of the most cherished of my LP CD and reading collection.

But I have to say with utmost respect while I enjoyed his book I also found it frustratingly lacking in regard to the writing and creating of some of metals finest material, both in and out of Maiden.  You know, I wanted more about the songs backgrounds and the gritty behind the scenes details of their formations and whatnot.

Sure there was some of that and what was in the book was great.  Certainly not suggesting the travel and experiences that were shared not remain, guess what I'm saying is wish the book was twice as long and the additional material be more about the music!

So am on board regards the suggested questions above yes please ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 10, 2022, 06:54:30 PM
Bruce is one of my favorite artists period, his solo catalog and Maiden releases remain constants and form a good portion of the most cherished of my LP CD and reading collection.

But I have to say with utmost respect while I enjoyed his book I also found it frustratingly lacking in regard to the writing and creating of some of metals finest material, both in and out of Maiden.  You know, I wanted more about the songs backgrounds and the gritty behind the scenes details of their formations and whatnot.

Sure there was some of that and what was in the book was great.  Certainly not suggesting the travel and experiences that were shared not remain, guess what I'm saying is wish the book was twice as long and the additional material be more about the music!

So am on board regards the suggested questions above yes please ;)

There's one particular chapter where he goes on and on about planes, and that's an absolute bore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
The whole book was a bore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 11, 2022, 02:11:44 AM
The "official" version, or as official as we're ever going to get, is that he left because he didn't agree with Steve taking over the production, and wanted to explore different types of music. Maybe if Steve conceded and the whole decision making process in Maiden was a little more democratic, he would have reconsidered?

Huh. I've never heard that before.


In the book he also says that he read whatever inspirational quote about leaps into the unknown (don't remember which one at the moment), and that made him realize that as long as he was in Iron Maiden, he had that cushion, that parachute, something to fall back on, and if he wanted to be taken seriously, he had to leave Maiden, a "burn your bridges, don't leave a plan B open" kind of situation to push himself.

He did want to do other stuff, and definitively wasn't happy with Maiden's then recent outputs (when he came back, after all, he insisted for an external producer and a good studio), but he realized that doing side stuff while still being Maiden's singer wasn't challenging enough and so he felt he had to go.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on February 11, 2022, 02:27:16 AM
The whole book was a bore.

Wasn't it? Celebrity autobiographies used to give a real insight into the subject's life and personality, these days they just seem to be full of filler. Reminiscing about those amusingly funny shenanigans with the road crew are hilarious if you were there, but boring as hell if you weren't, like listening to someone telling you what they got up to at a drunken party you weren't invited to. And no one reading this cares about fencing or aviation.
An autobiography should peel back the public-facing mask these celebrities wear and show us the person beneath. They should read like they've invited you round to dinner at their house, and not just a collection of trite anecdotes they've churned out in media interviews over the years, all carefully vetted by their PR team. I understand they value their private lives, but if they're not going to tell us anything about themselves, then why bother writing the book? Oh yes, money.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 11, 2022, 03:24:34 AM
I for one thoroughly enjoyed his book.

Sure, there are aspects of his life where he could have gone deeper, but all in all it was very entertaining. And I got no problem with him telling about aviation and fencing, because that's a big part of his life and therefore should be in any biography about him.

And from the book you got the impression that he's easily bored with routine and therefore is constantly trying/doing new things. That was one aspect for him leaving Maiden and that is why he's done so many things in his life.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2022, 06:15:59 AM
The ONE time he seemed to show some real... not emotion, because he was very animated the whole time, but some "connection" was when asked about the William Blake influence on him.  He was absolutely sincere when he said that Blake was a profound influence.  It seemed very genuine (if not a revelation, given "Chemical Wedding").
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on February 11, 2022, 06:19:55 AM
The whole book was a bore.

Respectfully disagree. Borrowed a copy from a library at one stage and finished it in 2 weeks. Was the first book I read after a Corneal Transplant surgery, so definitely holds a special place with me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 11, 2022, 07:46:52 AM
The ONE time he seemed to show some real... not emotion, because he was very animated the whole time, but some "connection" was when asked about the William Blake influence on him.  He was absolutely sincere when he said that Blake was a profound influence.  It seemed very genuine (if not a revelation, given "Chemical Wedding").
If I get a chance to attend the show at some point, I would love to ask him about Peter Hammill's influence on his work. We know that there are VdGG references in his lyrics, but I'd like to hear more about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 11, 2022, 08:19:28 AM
The whole book was a bore.

And no one reading this cares about fencing or aviation.

Eh?

While I'm interested in aviation, I know nothing about fencing but still found it interesting enough. It's part of Bruce's life. Why wouldn't it be in his biography?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on February 11, 2022, 08:40:08 AM
The whole book was a bore.

Wasn't it? Celebrity autobiographies used to give a real insight into the subject's life and personality, these days they just seem to be full of filler. Reminiscing about those amusingly funny shenanigans with the road crew are hilarious if you were there, but boring as hell if you weren't, like listening to someone telling you what they got up to at a drunken party you weren't invited to. And no one reading this cares about fencing or aviation.
An autobiography should peel back the public-facing mask these celebrities wear and show us the person beneath. They should read like they've invited you round to dinner at their house, and not just a collection of trite anecdotes they've churned out in media interviews over the years, all carefully vetted by their PR team. I understand they value their private lives, but if they're not going to tell us anything about themselves, then why bother writing the book? Oh yes, money.

Rob Halford's book was amazing.  He got incredibly personal and it was so fun to read about how he balanced his personal life and sexuality with his career in Judas Priest.  It's the only biography I've read that was a true page-turner, where you couldn't put it down and had to find out what he said in the next chapter.

Bruce's show in Chicago is tonight and initially I wanted to go, but decided that it wouldn't be as exciting as I thought it would be in my head. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2022, 09:32:37 AM
I WOULD go again. It was entertaining.  I just wouldn't expect anything life-changing, or anything that blows the lid off his current gig.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on February 11, 2022, 01:28:22 PM
Yeah Halford's book was amazing, it went right through all the emotions, I was laughing and almost in tears while reading.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 11, 2022, 06:18:57 PM
K seems I wasn't alone then.

I didn't actually mind what was in the book and found it interesting enough, I mean after all it's his story to tell however he wants to tell it.  But he's primarily known for fronting the biggest band in the world and that's what I needed to read more about.  I expected he might dig back into his records and songs a lot more!?

Thanks for the comments regards Halford's book too hadn't read it ajd off to order now 🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2022, 07:00:18 PM
The thing that I liked about Halford's book, that I didn't about Bruce's book...well two things actually. Rob has some humility about him, whereas Bruce couldn't be more proud of himself for every pun in the book.

And with Rob's, you got some band history included. If you wanted to learn something about Iron maiden, you weren't getting it in Bruce's book.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 12, 2022, 09:30:25 AM
Bruce's book was a 2/5 for me. It would be great if Maiden would drop the defensiveness and let the fans in a bit more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on February 12, 2022, 08:49:32 PM
The thing that I liked about Halford's book, that I didn't about Bruce's book...well two things actually. Rob has some humility about him, whereas Bruce couldn't be more proud of himself for every pun in the book.

And with Rob's, you got some band history included. If you wanted to learn something about Iron maiden, you weren't getting it in Bruce's book.

I love them both, but Halford calls himself the 'metal god' and TTBOMK has never sung a JP Ripper era song live.
While Bruce has sung some of the Blaze songs.
They both have ego's, we all do, but as singers for world famous bands I am sure there's are large :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2022, 08:54:04 PM
Well, I am guessing that has more to do with none of the Ripper-era songs being that good, or at least not good enough to stand next to the tried and true Priest classics in a set list.

At least Maiden busted out a few good songs on the two albums with Blaze, even if took Bruce singing them to sound worth a damn.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on February 12, 2022, 08:57:04 PM
Yeah could be or that Halford flat out refuses to sing them, or maybe it's just never come up.
BTW I am a huge Halford fan not just JP, but I have the Halford box set of his 'solo' Two and Fight works.
While I only like Bruce with IM, none of his 'solo' stuff has ever clicked for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2022, 09:04:02 PM
I know Lightning Strike is getting played on the anniversary tour, but have any other songs from the four albums since Halford rejoined been played on multiple tours?  Feels like most of those songs (the ones that actually got played) got the one and done treatment in the live sets, and thus there is no reason to revisit anything from the Ripper albums. They know that the run up to Painkiller is their bread and butter, and I suspect the number of fans at the average Priest concert in 2022 who wants to hear them playing anything from Jugulator or Demolition is pretty tiny.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on February 12, 2022, 09:15:06 PM
Well, I am guessing that has more to do with none of the Ripper-era songs being that good, or at least not good enough to stand next to the tried and true Priest classics in a set list.

At least Maiden busted out a few good songs on the two albums with Blaze, even if took Bruce singing them to sound worth a damn.

I’m sorry but there are a handful of songs from Jugulator that I would put up against anything in the JP catalog, and Cathedral Spires in particular is often held up by Priest fans as being a highlight. And you couldn’t even pull that one out for the Epitaph tour? For shame.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2022, 03:10:25 AM
Many know my views on Jugulator around here but Rob couldn't sing anything from that album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2022, 09:10:37 AM
Yeah could be or that Halford flat out refuses to sing them, or maybe it's just never come up.
BTW I am a huge Halford fan not just JP, but I have the Halford box set of his 'solo' Two and Fight works.
While I only like Bruce with IM, none of his 'solo' stuff has ever clicked for me.

Well that's a shame.  Bruce's Chemical Wedding is up there with the best of IM IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2022, 02:48:04 PM
Yeah could be or that Halford flat out refuses to sing them, or maybe it's just never come up.
BTW I am a huge Halford fan not just JP, but I have the Halford box set of his 'solo' Two and Fight works.
While I only like Bruce with IM, none of his 'solo' stuff has ever clicked for me.

Well that's a shame.  Bruce's Chemical Wedding is up there with the best of IM IMO.

Came in at number 1 in my top 50 years ago.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 13, 2022, 04:58:30 PM
Yeah could be or that Halford flat out refuses to sing them, or maybe it's just never come up.
BTW I am a huge Halford fan not just JP, but I have the Halford box set of his 'solo' Two and Fight works.
While I only like Bruce with IM, none of his 'solo' stuff has ever clicked for me.

Well that's a shame.  Bruce's Chemical Wedding is up there with the best of IM IMO.

Chemical Wedding and Accident Of Birth are essential in any metal collection IMO and Tyranny Of Souls wasn't too shabby either!🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 14, 2022, 12:35:39 AM
Yeah could be or that Halford flat out refuses to sing them, or maybe it's just never come up.
BTW I am a huge Halford fan not just JP, but I have the Halford box set of his 'solo' Two and Fight works.
While I only like Bruce with IM, none of his 'solo' stuff has ever clicked for me.

Well that's a shame.  Bruce's Chemical Wedding is up there with the best of IM IMO.

Chemical Wedding and Accident Of Birth are essential in any metal collection IMO and Tyranny Of Souls wasn't too shabby either!🤘

Absolutely.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 14, 2022, 01:32:09 AM
All of Bruce's solo records are worth a listen with Tattooed Millionaire probably the weakest (but still some great tracks) and Chemical Wedding up there with Maiden's best.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 14, 2022, 01:49:40 AM
Knowing am in the minority buy gotta shout love for Bruce's Skunkworks too.  Sure it was a departure sure it wasn't Accident or Chemical and sure it wasn't a classic but sure as hell still love it! 

Solar Confinement, 'nuff said! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 14, 2022, 04:14:26 AM
Knowing am in the minority buy gotta shout love for Bruce's Skunkworks too.  Sure it was a departure sure it wasn't Accident or Chemical and sure it wasn't a classic but sure as hell still love it! 

Solar Confinement, 'nuff said! :metal

3rd best Bruce album after CW and AOB.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 14, 2022, 05:15:39 AM
I would put Skunkworks at 2nd place after CW most days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on February 14, 2022, 05:41:38 AM
The whole book was a bore.

And no one reading this cares about fencing or aviation.

Eh?

While I'm interested in aviation, I know nothing about fencing but still found it interesting enough. It's part of Bruce's life. Why wouldn't it be in his biography?

All of his aviation anecdotes boiled down to:

1. Was in a plane [insert technical details here],
2. Thought disaster was about to strike,
3. Disaster was narrowly averted.

Any pilot would have hundreds of these stories, they're just not that interesting to non-pilots. A cat ran out in front of my car the other day. I thought I was going to hit it. I slammed on the brakes, the cat was fine, disaster narrowly averted! Who cares?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 14, 2022, 07:03:53 AM
The thing that I liked about Halford's book, that I didn't about Bruce's book...well two things actually. Rob has some humility about him, whereas Bruce couldn't be more proud of himself for every pun in the book.

And with Rob's, you got some band history included. If you wanted to learn something about Iron maiden, you weren't getting it in Bruce's book.

I love them both, but Halford calls himself the 'metal god' and TTBOMK has never sung a JP Ripper era song live.
While Bruce has sung some of the Blaze songs.
They both have ego's, we all do, but as singers for world famous bands I am sure there's are large :)

That was always the thing about Bruce that I liked; for all his ego, for all his bluster, he'll sing anything.  He sings songs from all eras.   While I think it was probably a joke, or at least a message, even Robert Plant did a Coverdale/Page song when I saw Page/Plant in '95.   

I never quite understood that mentality that Hagar, Gillan, Halford, some others have.  I know lyrics are personal, but it's not like none of those guys have never sung a cover before.

By the way:  BIG fan of Skunkworks.  For a while it was my favorite Bruce record (now it might be Balls To Picasso).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 14, 2022, 07:10:23 AM
I've said it before but I have a special thing for Skunkworks. It feels very 90s and a bit grunge but I absolutly love that it's so diffrent from the rest of his solo disc.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 14, 2022, 07:17:19 AM
I'd put Skunkworks right being Accident and Wedding. It's amazing hearing Bruce's voice in a more alternative setting. The melodies are strong throughout as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 14, 2022, 08:19:56 AM
I never quite understood that mentality that Hagar, Gillan, Halford, some others have.  I know lyrics are personal, but it's not like none of those guys have never sung a cover before.

I thought Hagar singing Unchained on his last VH tour was quite awesome and unexpected. I do wish he had sung more DLR songs though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 14, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Edit: forget it. Not worth the internet bun fight :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 14, 2022, 12:17:42 PM
The thing that I liked about Halford's book, that I didn't about Bruce's book...well two things actually. Rob has some humility about him, whereas Bruce couldn't be more proud of himself for every pun in the book.

And with Rob's, you got some band history included. If you wanted to learn something about Iron maiden, you weren't getting it in Bruce's book.

I love them both, but Halford calls himself the 'metal god' and TTBOMK has never sung a JP Ripper era song live.
While Bruce has sung some of the Blaze songs.
They both have ego's, we all do, but as singers for world famous bands I am sure there's are large :)

Having worked with him, I can tell you that Halford is one of the most humble people (much less a superstar) I've ever met.  He's said publicly that he's open to performing a Jugulator/Demolition song (as is Ritchie Faulkner), but....


I know Lightning Strike is getting played on the anniversary tour, but have any other songs from the four albums since Halford rejoined been played on multiple tours?  Feels like most of those songs (the ones that actually got played) got the one and done treatment in the live sets, and thus there is no reason to revisit anything from the Ripper albums. They know that the run up to Painkiller is their bread and butter, and I suspect the number of fans at the average Priest concert in 2022 who wants to hear them playing anything from Jugulator or Demolition is pretty tiny.

I think all of that is true.  Also, looking at a few set lists at random on setlist.fm, Prophecy, Judas Rising, Halls of Valhalla and March of the Damned (along with Lightning Strike) have gotten significant run on tours subsequent to their album tours, so the answer to the question is yes, but the numbers have been VERY few.  While they keep making albums, and while the reunion albums have been mostly good (Firepower was excellent), as a live band, Priest is a nostalgia act.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 14, 2022, 01:50:11 PM
I think we're seeing a lot of that.  Some exceptions - NMB, Maiden every other tour - but largely, when you're selling 50,000 or 100,000 of your new record, tops, it's safe to say that most of the people in your concert audience are not there for that.  I know for me, at my age now, many of the shows I go to are to show my kids what I grew up with; that in and of itself begs a sort of "greatest hits" approach. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 14, 2022, 03:29:37 PM
I think we're seeing a lot of that.  Some exceptions - NMB, Maiden every other tour - but largely, when you're selling 50,000 or 100,000 of your new record, tops, it's safe to say that most of the people in your concert audience are not there for that.  I know for me, at my age now, many of the shows I go to are to show my kids what I grew up with; that in and of itself begs a sort of "greatest hits" approach.

NMB?

Seriously...I googled and got nothing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 14, 2022, 03:33:39 PM
I think we're seeing a lot of that.  Some exceptions - NMB, Maiden every other tour - but largely, when you're selling 50,000 or 100,000 of your new record, tops, it's safe to say that most of the people in your concert audience are not there for that.  I know for me, at my age now, many of the shows I go to are to show my kids what I grew up with; that in and of itself begs a sort of "greatest hits" approach.

NMB?

Seriously...I googled and got nothing.

Neal Morse Band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 15, 2022, 02:32:11 AM
I think we're seeing a lot of that.  Some exceptions - NMB, Maiden every other tour - but largely, when you're selling 50,000 or 100,000 of your new record, tops, it's safe to say that most of the people in your concert audience are not there for that.  I know for me, at my age now, many of the shows I go to are to show my kids what I grew up with; that in and of itself begs a sort of "greatest hits" approach.

I must be in the minority because I always want to see challenging setlists from my favorite bands. If I love them enough to pay for a ticket, I'm probably invested enough in knowing "all" the albums and therefore not wanting just the staples.

When I saw Dio at Wacken, I knew I was getting Heaven and Hell and Holy Diver. I was happiest when I got the surprises - Gates of Babylon and Stargazer. To this day, when I think of that concert, I don't think "yay, I finally heard Holy Diver live", but "Fuck yeah, I got Gates of Babylon!!"

Same with Metallica, yeah sure, it was cool there in the moment to finally see the fireworks exploding at the beginning and the end of Enter Sandman, but I remember the most them playing The Call of Ktulu and a shitload of Ride the Lightning songs, my favorite album. At my first Metallica gig they didn't play Nothing Else Matters and I didn't even care. They played it the second time I saw them, and I virtually have no memories of it. I've heard that song so many times that experiencing it live it was, dunno, like seeing Mona Lisa at the Louvre, I already know what it's like, seeing it finally in person it's just taking note that yes, that's the painting, guess what? it's how I already knew it was.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 15, 2022, 07:42:41 AM
I think we're seeing a lot of that.  Some exceptions - NMB, Maiden every other tour - but largely, when you're selling 50,000 or 100,000 of your new record, tops, it's safe to say that most of the people in your concert audience are not there for that.  I know for me, at my age now, many of the shows I go to are to show my kids what I grew up with; that in and of itself begs a sort of "greatest hits" approach.

I must be in the minority because I always want to see challenging setlists from my favorite bands. If I love them enough to pay for a ticket, I'm probably invested enough in knowing "all" the albums and therefore not wanting just the staples.

When I saw Dio at Wacken, I knew I was getting Heaven and Hell and Holy Diver. I was happiest when I got the surprises - Gates of Babylon and Stargazer. To this day, when I think of that concert, I don't think "yay, I finally heard Holy Diver live", but "Fuck yeah, I got Gates of Babylon!!"

Same with Metallica, yeah sure, it was cool there in the moment to finally see the fireworks exploding at the beginning and the end of Enter Sandman, but I remember the most them playing The Call of Ktulu and a shitload of Ride the Lightning songs, my favorite album. At my first Metallica gig they didn't play Nothing Else Matters and I didn't even care. They played it the second time I saw them, and I virtually have no memories of it. I've heard that song so many times that experiencing it live it was, dunno, like seeing Mona Lisa at the Louvre, I already know what it's like, seeing it finally in person it's just taking note that yes, that's the painting, guess what? it's how I already knew it was.

It's not that I don't want those nuggets; I love them too.  "Waterfall" was that for me.   "Sign Of The Cross" was that when I saw Maiden.   There are others.   But I'm pragmatic enough to recognize that if I don't get that nugget, I'm not going to say 'wow this sucks'.   I'm also in a position where I can be entertained with the spectacle of a song I know by a band I know putting in the energy even though I saw that song 10 times before.   When I saw Maiden in Hartford, of all the nuggets, of all the bombs, planes, flamethrowers and sword fights, the most electric moment of the entire show was... "The Number Of The Beast".  The one song (other than Iron Maiden) that I've seen EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I've seen Maiden was like nothing I've seen from them.  The place was bathed in orange light, and the pavilion was literally shaking with 10,000 punters all moving in unison.  I'll take that over "Alexander The Great" 5 out of 7 days a week.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 15, 2022, 08:26:20 AM
I feel the same as MirrorMask, but I also have to understand that people like us typically are the more "hardcore" fans which only accounts for a minority percentage of the people at a show.  Bands recognize that and will cater to the majority audience that wants to see the hits and classics.  And this is a reason why I respect IM so much, they manage to do both albeit the rarer stuff comes from the new music and not too much of pulling out old never played songs.  I can also name some similar examples, like seeing IM perform Lord of Light was way more memorable that evening than when they played Fear of the Dark or 2 Minutes to Midnight, but I bet there was a lot more people who thought otherwise in that crowd.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 15, 2022, 08:29:06 AM
I think we're seeing a lot of that.  Some exceptions - NMB, Maiden every other tour - but largely, when you're selling 50,000 or 100,000 of your new record, tops, it's safe to say that most of the people in your concert audience are not there for that.  I know for me, at my age now, many of the shows I go to are to show my kids what I grew up with; that in and of itself begs a sort of "greatest hits" approach.

I must be in the minority because I always want to see challenging setlists from my favorite bands. If I love them enough to pay for a ticket, I'm probably invested enough in knowing "all" the albums and therefore not wanting just the staples.

When I saw Dio at Wacken, I knew I was getting Heaven and Hell and Holy Diver. I was happiest when I got the surprises - Gates of Babylon and Stargazer. To this day, when I think of that concert, I don't think "yay, I finally heard Holy Diver live", but "Fuck yeah, I got Gates of Babylon!!"

Same with Metallica, yeah sure, it was cool there in the moment to finally see the fireworks exploding at the beginning and the end of Enter Sandman, but I remember the most them playing The Call of Ktulu and a shitload of Ride the Lightning songs, my favorite album. At my first Metallica gig they didn't play Nothing Else Matters and I didn't even care. They played it the second time I saw them, and I virtually have no memories of it. I've heard that song so many times that experiencing it live it was, dunno, like seeing Mona Lisa at the Louvre, I already know what it's like, seeing it finally in person it's just taking note that yes, that's the painting, guess what? it's how I already knew it was.

It's not that I don't want those nuggets; I love them too.  "Waterfall" was that for me.   "Sign Of The Cross" was that when I saw Maiden.   There are others.   But I'm pragmatic enough to recognize that if I don't get that nugget, I'm not going to say 'wow this sucks'.   I'm also in a position where I can be entertained with the spectacle of a song I know by a band I know putting in the energy even though I saw that song 10 times before.   When I saw Maiden in Hartford, of all the nuggets, of all the bombs, planes, flamethrowers and sword fights, the most electric moment of the entire show was... "The Number Of The Beast".  The one song (other than Iron Maiden) that I've seen EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I've seen Maiden was like nothing I've seen from them.  The place was bathed in orange light, and the pavilion was literally shaking with 10,000 punters all moving in unison.  I'll take that over "Alexander The Great" 5 out of 7 days a week.

Oh yeah, on that I agree. We all have our personal level of tolerance for those overplayed songs. Would I listen to The Trooper right now, or tomorrow? no, why would I? I heard the song a gazillion times, enough. When I'm there at the gig and I see appearing the iconic Eddie soldier banner do I launch into a ferocious "Oh oh oh oh oh oh ho ho ho" at the top of my lungs? hell yes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on February 15, 2022, 09:17:27 AM
To me, songs like The Trooper and The Number of the Beast and especially Iron Maiden have sort of transcended being songs when they're played in concert and gone into the category of experiences. Like, yes, I can step back and think about them esthetically as pieces of music, but at this point I primarily think of them as part of the show. That's why I'd never want them to pull Iron Maiden from the setlist, despite thinking that it's one of their weakest songs. It would be like going to a baseball game where they didn't play Take Me Out to the Ballgame in the 7th inning (which I also don't give much thought to as a song vs. as part of the experience).

The only heavily played Maiden song that has fully escaped this is Hallowed Be Thy Name, which is because it's just so good of a song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 15, 2022, 09:36:23 AM
That's why I'd never want them to pull Iron Maiden from the setlist, despite thinking that it's one of their weakest songs.

Wholeheartedly agree. Who "needs" to hear an old song with juvenile lyrics repeated thrice? no one. But it's an integral part of the experience, an excuse to shout the name of the band some times and, more importantly, Eddie's moment, so while musically the song Iron Maiden has no place in a setlist of a band with 17 albums, as an experience it has to stay forever and ever in the last slot of the main set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 15, 2022, 09:42:50 AM
I go both ways on it. One of the best Maiden shows I've seen was TFF tour when they played mostly post-reunion stuff that we seldom got to see. I got Paschendale, DoD, Brighter, TRoBB, and No More Lies over two nights. Or any of the historic tours where we got other nuggets. The re-do of the 7th Son tour was great, as was the Early Days.

At the same time, the Mexico shows I've seen don't work that way. It's a different experience. They're there for the greatest hits and you simply don't get the same energy from the more obscure stuff. There was a noticeable lull during SotC and FtGGoG, and it took Trooper or RttH to rile them back up again. Ideally I want to see both shows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 15, 2022, 10:52:51 AM
That's why I'd never want them to pull Iron Maiden from the setlist, despite thinking that it's one of their weakest songs.

Wholeheartedly agree. Who "needs" to hear an old song with juvenile lyrics repeated thrice? no one. But it's an integral part of the experience, an excuse to shout the name of the band some times and, more importantly, Eddie's moment, so while musically the song Iron Maiden has no place in a setlist of a band with 17 albums, as an experience it has to stay forever and ever in the last slot of the main set.

And don't forget Bruce's wail "it's the Iroooonnnnnnnn MAIDENNNNNNNNNN!" before the song!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 15, 2022, 10:54:21 AM
I go both ways on it. One of the best Maiden shows I've seen was TFF tour when they played mostly post-reunion stuff that we seldom got to see. I got Paschendale, DoD, Brighter, TRoBB, and No More Lies over two nights. Or any of the historic tours where we got other nuggets. The re-do of the 7th Son tour was great, as was the Early Days.

At the same time, the Mexico shows I've seen don't work that way. It's a different experience. They're there for the greatest hits and you simply don't get the same energy from the more obscure stuff. There was a noticeable lull during SotC and FtGGoG, and it took Trooper or RttH to rile them back up again. Ideally I want to see both shows.

And that's the thing about Maiden:  They are one of the very few bands to give you both.   I'm first in line to see Senjutsu in it's entirety, and yet, the Legacy show was one of the best I've ever seen (and one of the very few where when I saw it on video later, held up to the impression).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 15, 2022, 11:00:02 AM
I go both ways on it. One of the best Maiden shows I've seen was TFF tour when they played mostly post-reunion stuff that we seldom got to see. I got Paschendale, DoD, Brighter, TRoBB, and No More Lies over two nights. Or any of the historic tours where we got other nuggets. The re-do of the 7th Son tour was great, as was the Early Days.

At the same time, the Mexico shows I've seen don't work that way. It's a different experience. They're there for the greatest hits and you simply don't get the same energy from the more obscure stuff. There was a noticeable lull during SotC and FtGGoG, and it took Trooper or RttH to rile them back up again. Ideally I want to see both shows.

And that's the thing about Maiden:  They are one of the very few bands to give you both.   I'm first in line to see Senjutsu in it's entirety, and yet, the Legacy show was one of the best I've ever seen (and one of the very few where when I saw it on video later, held up to the impression).
I don't even like Senjutsu all that much, but I'll be next in line behind you. The difference is that's one I wouldn't head South to see. The greatest hits gigs I absolutely would.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 15, 2022, 11:06:33 AM
I go both ways on it. One of the best Maiden shows I've seen was TFF tour when they played mostly post-reunion stuff that we seldom got to see. I got Paschendale, DoD, Brighter, TRoBB, and No More Lies over two nights. Or any of the historic tours where we got other nuggets. The re-do of the 7th Son tour was great, as was the Early Days.

At the same time, the Mexico shows I've seen don't work that way. It's a different experience. They're there for the greatest hits and you simply don't get the same energy from the more obscure stuff. There was a noticeable lull during SotC and FtGGoG, and it took Trooper or RttH to rile them back up again. Ideally I want to see both shows.

And that's the thing about Maiden:  They are one of the very few bands to give you both.   I'm first in line to see Senjutsu in it's entirety, and yet, the Legacy show was one of the best I've ever seen (and one of the very few where when I saw it on video later, held up to the impression).
I don't even like Senjutsu all that much, but I'll be next in line behind you. The difference is that's one I wouldn't head South to see. The greatest hits gigs I absolutely would.

Really?  I'm really loving it.  I mentioned to my friend Jim, who went with me to both the Souls tour and the Legacy show and he's not all that thrilled with it either.  Then again, Killers is his favorite record of all time, so everything is compared to that.

I wish other bands - Kiss for one, though they're past that now - would do that too.  One tour "hits", one tour "album".  I think you really have to want to tour a lot to do that, and Maiden is sort of unique that way; they can afford to do a couple months every 18 months nowadays.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 15, 2022, 12:33:11 PM
I go both ways on it. One of the best Maiden shows I've seen was TFF tour when they played mostly post-reunion stuff that we seldom got to see. I got Paschendale, DoD, Brighter, TRoBB, and No More Lies over two nights. Or any of the historic tours where we got other nuggets. The re-do of the 7th Son tour was great, as was the Early Days.

At the same time, the Mexico shows I've seen don't work that way. It's a different experience. They're there for the greatest hits and you simply don't get the same energy from the more obscure stuff. There was a noticeable lull during SotC and FtGGoG, and it took Trooper or RttH to rile them back up again. Ideally I want to see both shows.

And that's the thing about Maiden:  They are one of the very few bands to give you both.   I'm first in line to see Senjutsu in it's entirety, and yet, the Legacy show was one of the best I've ever seen (and one of the very few where when I saw it on video later, held up to the impression).
I don't even like Senjutsu all that much, but I'll be next in line behind you. The difference is that's one I wouldn't head South to see. The greatest hits gigs I absolutely would.

Really?  I'm really loving it.  I mentioned to my friend Jim, who went with me to both the Souls tour and the Legacy show and he's not all that thrilled with it either.  Then again, Killers is his favorite record of all time, so everything is compared to that.


I wish other bands - Kiss for one, though they're past that now - would do that too.  One tour "hits", one tour "album".  I think you really have to want to tour a lot to do that, and Maiden is sort of unique that way; they can afford to do a couple months every 18 months nowadays.
Well, he's right about Killers, after all. As I said back when it first came out, it's probably Maiden's masterpiece. It's what they've been building up to all along, and I think they perfected what they're shooting for. I just find it rather boring, honestly. It's slicker, and they added some interesting elements to it, but musically it's pretty much the same thing they've been doing for 20 years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on February 15, 2022, 04:42:41 PM
There's one other reason why I like having Iron Maiden (the song) on the setlist: that part where it's just bass and drums right before the big Eddie pops up at the back. It's a given that a decent-sounding venue will allow you to hear Steve throughout the show, but to me that's HIS moment (and Nicko's, of course), as if you were a foot away from him (even if you're not). Makes sense?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on February 16, 2022, 12:02:08 AM
I’m extremely excited for Senjutsu in its entirety. Keen to see what they could possibly encore with. Is it just me or Fear of the Dark straight after Hell on Earth is going to be the biggest let down?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 16, 2022, 12:19:38 AM
I’m extremely excited for Senjutsu in its entirety. Keen to see what they could possibly encore with. Is it just me or Fear of the Dark straight after Hell on Earth is going to be the biggest let down?

At this point, FOTD in any part of the setlist is a letdown.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 16, 2022, 01:55:59 AM
Fear of the Dark is a letdown for two reasons:

1) You have to hear again the song
2) You know that the show is about to end, because after that it's only Iron Maiden and then the encores.

In the Legacy tour it was nice to get, as a surprise, The Number of the Beast between FOTD and Iron Maiden, it was like getting an extra song while I was already prepared for the show to reach its end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 16, 2022, 06:09:16 AM
Fear Of The Dark is amazing. All the time. Everytime.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2022, 08:06:41 AM
Fear Of The Dark is amazing. All the time. Everytime.

Yup, this and Hallowed are fine set staples IMO.  I can do without IM even if it is the big Eddie finale type song.  It does nothing for me. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 16, 2022, 08:11:28 AM
Don't most bands have a "handful" of songs that are always played? I don't have a problem with that. I love that Iron Maiden plays large parts of their current album. My biggest issue with Maiden's setlists is that while a third of it is the classics, a third of it is the new stuff, the last third usually comes from a small pool of other tracks. If Maiden could increase that pool of tracks, I think that would be great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
I think that's part of the problem when you have an unwritten rule that if they don't play the song on the album tour, it doesn't get played.  Kind of limits the pool of songs they end up choosing from.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 16, 2022, 08:24:48 AM
I think that's part of the problem when you have an unwritten rule that if they don't play the song on the album tour, it doesn't get played.  Kind of limits the pool of songs they end up choosing from.

Well, except that each new album has 5 or 6 songs that get played. That should still give them an extremely large pool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 16, 2022, 08:47:08 AM
I’m extremely excited for Senjutsu in its entirety. Keen to see what they could possibly encore with. Is it just me or Fear of the Dark straight after Hell on Earth is going to be the biggest let down?

At this point, FOTD in any part of the setlist is a letdown.
As I aluded to before, it kind of depends on what sort of show you're looking to see. In a US show I feel the same way. Twenty other songs I'd rather here. I'm just sick and tired of it. At a more energetic show it's one of the highlights because everybody knows it and can sing along. A concert in Mexico, down in the middle of the crowd, wouldn't be the same without it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3AU38GB8dQ
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2022, 08:51:43 AM
I think that's part of the problem when you have an unwritten rule that if they don't play the song on the album tour, it doesn't get played.  Kind of limits the pool of songs they end up choosing from.

Well, except that each new album has 5 or 6 songs that get played. That should still give them an extremely large pool.

Sure, but it's still "part" of the problem.  The other part I'd guess is that of the 5 or 6 songs they play, maybe only 2 or 3 get a good crowd reaction and are worthy (in their minds) of being played again.  Could also be timing, as in a song like Dream of Mirrors which got played during the BNW tour is just too long to get rotated back in, so that pool of songs we are talking about ends up being under 5 minute long songs mostly.  Another part could be willingness to re-learn songs.  They've kind of used that excuse to not bring back Alexander the Great.  I do think it's a shame so many good songs don't get played live or only get played live on the album tour and never again. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 16, 2022, 09:00:49 AM
I think that's part of the problem when you have an unwritten rule that if they don't play the song on the album tour, it doesn't get played.  Kind of limits the pool of songs they end up choosing from.

Well, except that each new album has 5 or 6 songs that get played. That should still give them an extremely large pool.

Sure, but it's still "part" of the problem.  The other part I'd guess is that of the 5 or 6 songs they play, maybe only 2 or 3 get a good crowd reaction and are worthy (in their minds) of being played again.  Could also be timing, as in a song like Dream of Mirrors which got played during the BNW tour is just too long to get rotated back in, so that pool of songs we are talking about ends up being under 5 minute long songs mostly.  Another part could be willingness to re-learn songs.  They've kind of used that excuse to not bring back Alexander the Great.  I do think it's a shame so many good songs don't get played live or only get played live on the album tour and never again.
And using crowd reaction isn't always the best indicator of the rightness of a song. On opening night of the tour with DT they played Brighter pretty early in the set. By day two in Houston they replaced it with Wratchild because they didn't think it got a good enough reaction. Nobody should ever use Dallas as a measuring stick for how a song might go over. And therein lies the problem. Not only will different audiences react differently to a song, the band's enthusiasm will elicit a different reaction, and that can vary from night to night.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 16, 2022, 09:17:17 AM
They've kind of used that excuse to not bring back Alexander the Great.

Bring back? They've never actually played it, have they?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2022, 09:33:36 AM
They've kind of used that excuse to not bring back Alexander the Great.

Bring back? They've never actually played it, have they?

Lol, you are correct.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2022, 09:34:58 AM
I think that's part of the problem when you have an unwritten rule that if they don't play the song on the album tour, it doesn't get played.  Kind of limits the pool of songs they end up choosing from.

Well, except that each new album has 5 or 6 songs that get played. That should still give them an extremely large pool.

Sure, but it's still "part" of the problem.  The other part I'd guess is that of the 5 or 6 songs they play, maybe only 2 or 3 get a good crowd reaction and are worthy (in their minds) of being played again.  Could also be timing, as in a song like Dream of Mirrors which got played during the BNW tour is just too long to get rotated back in, so that pool of songs we are talking about ends up being under 5 minute long songs mostly.  Another part could be willingness to re-learn songs.  They've kind of used that excuse to not bring back Alexander the Great.  I do think it's a shame so many good songs don't get played live or only get played live on the album tour and never again.
And using crowd reaction isn't always the best indicator of the rightness of a song. On opening night of the tour with DT they played Brighter pretty early in the set. By day two in Houston they replaced it with Wratchild because they didn't think it got a good enough reaction. Nobody should ever use Dallas as a measuring stick for how a song might go over. And therein lies the problem. Not only will different audiences react differently to a song, the band's enthusiasm will elicit a different reaction, and that can vary from night to night.

My understanding was they dropped the song because Nicko had trouble playing it.  But maybe crowd reaction played a role in that too.  I do agree, crowd reaction is not a good reason to not play a song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 16, 2022, 11:04:21 AM
I think that's part of the problem when you have an unwritten rule that if they don't play the song on the album tour, it doesn't get played.  Kind of limits the pool of songs they end up choosing from.

Well, except that each new album has 5 or 6 songs that get played. That should still give them an extremely large pool.

Sure, but it's still "part" of the problem.  The other part I'd guess is that of the 5 or 6 songs they play, maybe only 2 or 3 get a good crowd reaction and are worthy (in their minds) of being played again.  Could also be timing, as in a song like Dream of Mirrors which got played during the BNW tour is just too long to get rotated back in, so that pool of songs we are talking about ends up being under 5 minute long songs mostly.  Another part could be willingness to re-learn songs.  They've kind of used that excuse to not bring back Alexander the Great.  I do think it's a shame so many good songs don't get played live or only get played live on the album tour and never again.
And using crowd reaction isn't always the best indicator of the rightness of a song. On opening night of the tour with DT they played Brighter pretty early in the set. By day two in Houston they replaced it with Wratchild because they didn't think it got a good enough reaction. Nobody should ever use Dallas as a measuring stick for how a song might go over. And therein lies the problem. Not only will different audiences react differently to a song, the band's enthusiasm will elicit a different reaction, and that can vary from night to night.

My understanding was they dropped the song because Nicko had trouble playing it.  But maybe crowd reaction played a role in that too.  I do agree, crowd reaction is not a good reason to not play a song.
They dropped Paschendale because Nicko had trouble playing it. It was already an every other night song, rotated with Dance of Death, so they just stopped swapping them. They dropped Brighter because the Dallas audience didn't seem to be into it (I certainly was--great song).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2022, 12:10:10 PM
Ah ok, I was confused then.  I do recall that swap happening and being pretty upset, not just from dropping a cool newer song, but because of what replaced it
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 23, 2022, 09:16:07 AM
I thought Bruce's show was quite entertaining. The dude moves it along at a really fast pace, so you're never spending too much time somewhere, and he's a pretty funny guy. The first act was just starting to drag on a bit, which is exactly where he ended it for a rather long intermission. The Q/A is interesting, in that he kind of takes a politician approach. Some of the questions he just answers, and some of them he uses as a means to segue to a story he wants to tell. I suspect that's why different people get different stories; it depends on how the questions set him up. Last night's best story was probably Nicko flying him home from some place and them all nearly dying, which put Nick off of flying entirely, and gave Bruce the itch to take it up. Bruce doing Nicko is actually pretty funny.

And at no point did it feel like 3 hours.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on February 23, 2022, 12:06:25 PM
I'll be going to tomorrow's show in Austin. Pretty excited about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on February 25, 2022, 01:00:36 PM
So great to witness greatness in an intimate setting. No wonder Bruce is THE BEST frontman ever. Keep us engaged all the time. Funny, sarcastic, Nico McBrain's impersonation is worth the price of admission itself. He sang Eternals a cappella (a few lines anyway). He answered a 13 year old boy's question. Question was: I'm 13 years old and  don't know what to do. Bruce replies: DO EVERYTHING. You are 13. You are supposed to try everything and figure it out a long the way. You are 13, you have a long way to go. Not saying do DRUGS, but do everything else!!! And then you'll know what you want to do in life. Definitely didn't feel like a 3 hour talk. I enjoyed every single minute of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 25, 2022, 01:20:28 PM
So great to witness greatness in an intimate setting. No wonder Bruce is THE BEST frontman ever. Keep us engaged all the time. Funny, sarcastic, Nico McBrain's impersonation is worth the price of admission itself. He sang Eternals a cappella (a few lines anyway). He answered a 13 year old boy's question. Question was: I'm 13 years old and  don't know what to do. Bruce replies: DO EVERYTHING. You are 13. You are supposed to try everything and figure it out a long the way. You are 13, you have a long way to go. Not saying do DRUGS, but do everything else!!! And then you'll know what you want to do in life. Definitely didn't feel like a 3 hour talk. I enjoyed every single minute of it.

Ours he did a few lines of "Tears Of The Dragon".   Magical.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2022, 01:43:34 PM
So great to witness greatness in an intimate setting. No wonder Bruce is THE BEST frontman ever. Keep us engaged all the time. Funny, sarcastic, Nico McBrain's impersonation is worth the price of admission itself. He sang Eternals a cappella (a few lines anyway). He answered a 13 year old boy's question. Question was: I'm 13 years old and  don't know what to do. Bruce replies: DO EVERYTHING. You are 13. You are supposed to try everything and figure it out a long the way. You are 13, you have a long way to go. Not saying do DRUGS, but do everything else!!! And then you'll know what you want to do in life. Definitely didn't feel like a 3 hour talk. I enjoyed every single minute of it.

What does this button do?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2022, 04:41:42 PM
Adrian Smith turns 65 today. :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2022, 05:52:45 PM
Adrian Smith turns 65 today. :omg:

Wow, and he looks fucking amazing and still cool as fuck.

Happy Birthday H!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on March 01, 2022, 09:18:29 AM
I was checking out the largest Maiden website (Maidenfans) and they have a album ranking thread going. Just for fun I tallied up the 30 or so entries and arrived at his consensus ranking. Couple of surprises:

Seventh Son
Somewhere in Time
Powerslave
Piece of Mind
Brave New World
Number of the Beast
A Matter of Life and Death
Senjutsu
Book of Souls
Iron Maiden
Killers
Final Frontier
X-Factor
Dance of Death
Fear of the Dark
No Prayer
Virtual XI

For me, Dance of Death and Final Frontier are too low and Brave New World, Senjutsu, Book of Souls and AMOLAD are too high. But interesting anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on March 01, 2022, 09:30:33 AM
I was checking out the largest Maiden website (Maidenfans) and they have a album ranking thread going. Just for fun I tallied up the 30 or so entries and arrived at his consensus ranking. Couple of surprises:

Seventh Son
Somewhere in Time
Powerslave
Piece of Mind
Brave New World
Number of the Beast
A Matter of Life and Death
Senjutsu
Book of Souls
Iron Maiden
Killers
Final Frontier
X-Factor
Dance of Death
Fear of the Dark
No Prayer
Virtual XI

For me, Dance of Death and Final Frontier are too low and Brave New World, Senjutsu, Book of Souls and AMOLAD are too high. But interesting anyway.

I tend to find i'm onboard with the ranking of the 80's classics.   But the 6 albums since Bruce came back I'm opposite - Dance, Frontier and Book are the 3 I really like, whereas I'm not so bothered about the other 3.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on March 01, 2022, 09:54:11 AM
SSOASS and SIT ahead of POM and Powerslave?

LOL
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on March 01, 2022, 10:10:49 AM
I mean, I'm not sure how representative these 30 fans are of Maiden's overall fanbase  ;D

Having said that...

...As far as I'm concerned, I'm more shocked by Brave New World ahead of Number of the Beast.

Also kinda surprised by Dance of Death being ranked so low. It is my favorite reunion album, but regardless, I thought it was generally held in higher regard...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on March 01, 2022, 10:14:45 AM
Maidenfans has always loved those late 80s albums. I agree that Seventh Son is their best 80s album and that both are better than Powerslave, but I have Piece of Mind above Somewhere in Time.

Maidenfans also disproportionately likes The X Factor, which is why it's relatively high.

As we all know by now, I just fundamentally disagree with putting all the reunion albums below all the 80s Bruce albums, so my list would look very different, but this does not surprise me as a composite of opinions on Maidenfans.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2022, 11:23:29 AM
SSOASS and SIT ahead of POM and Powerslave?

LOL

Sounds good to me!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2022, 12:39:06 PM
The debut is ranked pretty high too.  Kind of surprising over FF and DOD at least.  Probably a few Maiden purists over there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2022, 12:44:42 PM
1   Senjutsu
2   Powerslave
3   Killers
4   Number of the Beast
5   Piece of Mind
6   Final Frontier
7   Dance of Death
8   Seventh Son
9   Somewhere in Time
10   Iron Maiden
11   Book of Souls
12   Fear of the Dark
13   A Matter of Life and Death
14   Brave New World
15   Virtual XI
16   No Prayer
17   X-Factor
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on March 01, 2022, 01:20:46 PM
SSOASS and SIT ahead of POM and Powerslave?

LOL

Sounds good to me!

I just do not get the love for SSOASS that a LOT of folks obviously have.  After Moonchild and the title track, there is a HUGE drop off, and I don't bother with any of the other songs unless I'm doing a full catalog listen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2022, 01:27:10 PM
SSOASS and SIT ahead of POM and Powerslave?

LOL

Sounds good to me!

I just do not get the love for SSOASS that a LOT of folks obviously have.  After Moonchild and the title track, there is a HUGE drop off, and I don't bother with any of the other songs unless I'm doing a full catalog listen.

The 4 albums in question are a big toss up.  Typically I would rate SSOASS and SIT above POM and Powerslave, but these are 4 great classic albums.  I wouldn't fault anyone rating them any way.  I just really love SiT personally and rate that very highly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2022, 01:52:47 PM
SSOASS and SIT ahead of POM and Powerslave?

LOL

Sounds good to me!

I just do not get the love for SSOASS that a LOT of folks obviously have.  After Moonchild and the title track, there is a HUGE drop off, and I don't bother with any of the other songs unless I'm doing a full catalog listen.

The 4 albums in question are a big toss up.  Typically I would rate SSOASS and SIT above POM and Powerslave, but these are 4 great classic albums.  I wouldn't fault anyone rating them any way.  I just really love SiT personally and rate that very highly.

Unfortunately (for my list) some of this stuff is moment-to-moment.   To me, "Killers" isn't anything like SiT, but both are great albums.  It just depends on the mood.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2022, 01:55:59 PM
SSOASS and SIT ahead of POM and Powerslave?

LOL

Sounds good to me!

I just do not get the love for SSOASS that a LOT of folks obviously have.  After Moonchild and the title track, there is a HUGE drop off, and I don't bother with any of the other songs unless I'm doing a full catalog listen.

The 4 albums in question are a big toss up.  Typically I would rate SSOASS and SIT above POM and Powerslave, but these are 4 great classic albums.  I wouldn't fault anyone rating them any way.  I just really love SiT personally and rate that very highly.

Unfortunately (for my list) some of this stuff is moment-to-moment.   To me, "Killers" isn't anything like SiT, but both are great albums.  It just depends on the mood.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at with it being a toss up.  These are all so good and sometimes just mood and moment could have me change rankings.  I do think, for me, SiT is top classic IM so that doesn't shake too much, but the other 3 albums definitely do.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on March 05, 2022, 07:10:32 AM
A friend is moving to another country, and he's getting rid of all his stuff. I bought his Maiden CD collection. So, I've been listening to lots of Maiden throughout the past 3 weeks.

Somewhere In Time has stood out since my first listen. I love the overall sound, and can't get "Deja Vu" out of my head. It might be my new favourite Maiden tune. How come they have never played that song live?

I also got to rediscover AMOLAD and The Final Frontier, which I hadn't listened to in ages.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 05, 2022, 10:00:27 AM
SSOASS and SIT ahead of POM and Powerslave?

LOL

Sounds good to me!

I just do not get the love for SSOASS that a LOT of folks obviously have.  After Moonchild and the title track, there is a HUGE drop off, and I don't bother with any of the other songs unless I'm doing a full catalog listen.


Whoah!  Infinite Dreams is like no other Maiden that came before it, a prog masterpiece not to mention a personal fave, The Clairvoyant, The Evil and the often overlooked killer that is Only The Good Die Young are all up there with anything they had done by that point or post Seventh Son (IMO)!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on March 06, 2022, 01:19:03 PM
Somewhere In Time has stood out since my first listen. I love the overall sound, and can't get "Deja Vu" out of my head. It might be my new favourite Maiden tune. How come they have never played that song live?

Unfortunately, a substantial part of the answer to this question for a lot of Maiden songs is "because they decided not to play it on the tour for that album." They have never once played a song that was not played on the tour promoting its album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 06, 2022, 01:53:17 PM
Somewhere In Time has stood out since my first listen. I love the overall sound, and can't get "Deja Vu" out of my head. It might be my new favourite Maiden tune. How come they have never played that song live?

Unfortunately, a substantial part of the answer to this question for a lot of Maiden songs is "because they decided not to play it on the tour for that album." They have never once played a song that was not played on the tour promoting its album.

Right before the Book of Souls tour, there was a rumor that they rehearsed Deja Vu, but I don't know if  they tried and decided not to play i, or if it wasn't true to begin with.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 06, 2022, 03:54:03 PM
Somewhere In Time has stood out since my first listen. I love the overall sound, and can't get "Deja Vu" out of my head. It might be my new favourite Maiden tune. How come they have never played that song live?

Unfortunately, a substantial part of the answer to this question for a lot of Maiden songs is "because they decided not to play it on the tour for that album." They have never once played a song that was not played on the tour promoting its album.

Right before the Book of Souls tour, there was a rumor that they rehearsed Deja Vu, but I don't know if  they tried and decided not to play i, or if it wasn't true to begin with.

That would have been a very cool deep cut to bring out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 06, 2022, 04:14:52 PM
Indeed! Sadly though, as pointed out above, they only bring BACK the deep cuts, it's never a song that they hadn't played before. We're closer to hearing songs like El Dorado, Death Or Glory and Dream of Mirrors etc. making a comeback than we are to having something like Deja Vu on their set...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 06, 2022, 05:16:27 PM
Indeed! Sadly though, as pointed out above, they only bring BACK the deep cuts, it's never a song that they hadn't played before. We're closer to hearing songs like El Dorado, Death Or Glory and Dream of Mirrors etc. making a comeback than we are to having something like Deja Vu on their set...

Yeah that's a good observation mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on March 09, 2022, 07:30:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo2D1perHt0&t=15s

Smith/ Kotzen featuring Nicko McBrain - Wasted Years - Live in London
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 09, 2022, 07:53:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo2D1perHt0&t=15s

Smith/ Kotzen featuring Nicko McBrain - Wasted Years - Live in London

Imagine you attended the Piece of Mind Tour and was a Maiden fan since forever...then you become a professional musician and get to share the stage with these guys. A dream come true, right?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 11, 2022, 05:01:32 PM
I finally watched the video and I must say it had me smiling.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2022, 05:09:30 PM
Steve Harris turns 66 today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 12, 2022, 05:50:43 PM
Steve Harris turns 66 today.

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on March 24, 2022, 03:22:27 AM
NOTB is 40...
Licks Of The Beast breaks it down
https://youtu.be/aHclVxweJsQ
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on March 24, 2022, 07:38:56 AM
SSOASS and SIT ahead of POM and Powerslave?

LOL

Sounds good to me!

I just do not get the love for SSOASS that a LOT of folks obviously have.  After Moonchild and the title track, there is a HUGE drop off, and I don't bother with any of the other songs unless I'm doing a full catalog listen.


Whoah!  Infinite Dreams is like no other Maiden that came before it, a prog masterpiece not to mention a personal fave, The Clairvoyant, The Evil and the often overlooked killer that is Only The Good Die Young are all up there with anything they had done by that point or post Seventh Son (IMO)!

Yup all great songs. CIPWM is the only dud.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2022, 07:59:13 AM
Just did a run through of the debut and holy shit, that solo in Strange World.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2022, 08:49:03 AM
Just did a run through of the debut and holy shit, that solo in Strange World.  :hefdaddy

Agreed, that is pretty sweet.  That was one of my favorites from the debut, along with Prowler and Phantom of the Opera.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2022, 02:08:30 PM
Just did a run through of the debut and holy shit, that solo in Strange World.  :hefdaddy

Underrated song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on March 24, 2022, 02:26:27 PM
^Indeed. I’ve always loved it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on March 24, 2022, 03:23:25 PM
Just did a run through of the debut and holy shit, that solo in Strange World.  :hefdaddy

Always loved Strange World. A classic underrated song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 24, 2022, 05:07:25 PM
It's not a song I would immediately think of but, yes, awesome tune. Lovely solo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2022, 05:22:25 PM
Stratton kills that intro solo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2022, 05:24:13 PM
Stratton kills that intro solo.


I'd take a solo breakdown when you get a chance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2022, 05:28:05 PM
Stratton kills that intro solo.


I'd take a solo breakdown when you get a chance.

Not much in them besides considering they are so melodic and emotional but happy to post some thoughts on various parts of both solos over the weekend mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2022, 06:08:45 PM
Stratton kills that intro solo.


I'd take a solo breakdown when you get a chance.

Not much in them besides considering they are so melodic and emotional but happy to post some thoughts on various parts of both solos over the weekend mate.

I was thinking along the lines of timestamping who is who..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2022, 06:16:06 PM
Stratton kills that intro solo.


I'd take a solo breakdown when you get a chance.

Not much in them besides considering they are so melodic and emotional but happy to post some thoughts on various parts of both solos over the weekend mate.

I was thinking along the lines of timestamping who is who..

Oh, the intro solo is Dennis and the middle solo is Dave.

That's easy haha.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on March 24, 2022, 06:21:39 PM
Not to downplay the service wolfking provides, but the Iron Maiden Commentary website (http://www.ironmaidencommentary.com) lists who plays the solos for all the albums through TFF on the "lyrics" page (http://ironmaidencommentary.com/?url=album01_ironmaiden/lyrics01_ironmaiden&lang=eng&link=albums) for each album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2022, 06:43:08 PM
Not to downplay the service wolfking provides, but the Iron Maiden Commentary website (http://www.ironmaidencommentary.com) lists who plays the solos for all the albums through TFF on the "lyrics" page (http://ironmaidencommentary.com/?url=album01_ironmaiden/lyrics01_ironmaiden&lang=eng&link=albums) for each album.

Good thing I don't charge for my services!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2022, 07:05:38 PM
Not to downplay the service wolfking provides, but the Iron Maiden Commentary website (http://www.ironmaidencommentary.com) lists who plays the solos for all the albums through TFF on the "lyrics" page (http://ironmaidencommentary.com/?url=album01_ironmaiden/lyrics01_ironmaiden&lang=eng&link=albums) for each album.

Yeah, I'll go with Wolfking thankyouverymuch. ;D

Cool, I'll check it out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on March 24, 2022, 08:58:11 PM
Not to downplay the service wolfking provides, but the Iron Maiden Commentary website (http://www.ironmaidencommentary.com) lists who plays the solos for all the albums through TFF on the "lyrics" page (http://ironmaidencommentary.com/?url=album01_ironmaiden/lyrics01_ironmaiden&lang=eng&link=albums) for each album.

I used to go to that website religiously around BNW and DoD releases, pity that site hasn't been updated since 2011, I would've loved to have read the commentary on the last two albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on March 24, 2022, 09:01:41 PM
I just do not get the love for SSOASS that a LOT of folks obviously have.

Late to the party, this I concur!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2022, 10:39:34 PM
Not to downplay the service wolfking provides, but the Iron Maiden Commentary website (http://www.ironmaidencommentary.com) lists who plays the solos for all the albums through TFF on the "lyrics" page (http://ironmaidencommentary.com/?url=album01_ironmaiden/lyrics01_ironmaiden&lang=eng&link=albums) for each album.

Yeah, I'll go with Wolfking thankyouverymuch. ;D

Cool, I'll check it out.

Haha, thanks mate!  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2022, 07:21:38 AM
Not to downplay the service wolfking provides, but the Iron Maiden Commentary website (http://www.ironmaidencommentary.com) lists who plays the solos for all the albums through TFF on the "lyrics" page (http://ironmaidencommentary.com/?url=album01_ironmaiden/lyrics01_ironmaiden&lang=eng&link=albums) for each album.

It's more fun hearing from Wolfie, but that site is a gold mine... 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 30, 2022, 04:12:57 PM
35 years ago tonight...



(https://i.imgur.com/dY28aPH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mhuczmu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zHU0q6B.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DU5bT8M.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2022, 04:26:24 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on March 30, 2022, 04:45:39 PM
35 years ago tonight...


(https://i.imgur.com/dY28aPH.jpg)

I saw that tour about 6 weeks earlier...on a Monday and Wednesday night.  The prospect of dragging my ass to a concert (much less two) on a week night is not something I'd be into these days.  Of course, I was 19 at the time, so....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 30, 2022, 05:01:20 PM
They played in Worcester either the night before or the night after and I have no good reason why I didn't go.

I was 18 you fogey! ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on March 30, 2022, 08:28:44 PM
Saw it two months earlier. No idea what day of the week it was, but it wouldn't have mattered (and still doesn't). Apparently Vinnie Vincent Invasion opened up, but I honestly have zero recollection of that. That's back when they'd have played at least five shows in Texas, but since I probably had to beg my mom for ticket money, seeing it more than once would have been right out.  :lol


edit: Seven shows in Texas, plus two more in OK. Man, those were the days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on March 31, 2022, 10:10:19 AM
They played in Worcester either the night before or the night after and I have no good reason why I didn't go.

I was 18 you fogey! ;D

(https://c.tenor.com/Phnp-a-8resAAAAM/gran-torino-gran.gif)


Saw it two months earlier. No idea what day of the week it was, but it wouldn't have mattered (and still doesn't). Apparently Vinnie Vincent Invasion opened up, but I honestly have zero recollection of that. That's back when they'd have played at least five shows in Texas, but since I probably had to beg my mom for ticket money, seeing it more than once would have been right out.  :lol

Yup.  We had to endure Mark Slaughter's vocals on two consecutive tours because Slaughter opened on the SSOASS tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 03, 2022, 05:59:01 PM
A little Maiden/Priest mashup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6KYqElOOsQ
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 06, 2022, 06:49:57 PM
Six months on and I'm still obsessed with The Parchment. I would love for Steve to explain what this song is about. There are some striking images, but it's all a bit cryptic. Weirdly, I'm not sure he's done any interviews about Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 06, 2022, 06:52:45 PM
The Parchment is an incredible song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 06, 2022, 07:23:00 PM
Six months on and I'm still obsessed with The Parchment. I would love for Steve to explain what this song is about. There are some striking images, but it's all a bit cryptic. Weirdly, I'm not sure he's done any interviews about Senjutsu.

It would easily now make my all time Maiden top 5.  It simply never gets old.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 06, 2022, 07:26:13 PM
Six months on and I'm still obsessed with The Parchment. I would love for Steve to explain what this song is about. There are some striking images, but it's all a bit cryptic. Weirdly, I'm not sure he's done any interviews about Senjutsu.

It would easily now make my all time Maiden top 5.  It simply never gets old.

It's gotta be up there, yeah. As if the "meet me ttthhheeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrreeeeee" part wasn't enough, the whole instrumental part that follows is amazing.

Is it enough to overtake The Talisman as my favorite Reunion Era track..??.. It's a close call.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 06, 2022, 07:42:25 PM
Six months on and I'm still obsessed with The Parchment. I would love for Steve to explain what this song is about. There are some striking images, but it's all a bit cryptic. Weirdly, I'm not sure he's done any interviews about Senjutsu.

It would easily now make my all time Maiden top 5.  It simply never gets old.

It's gotta be up there, yeah. As if the "meet me ttthhheeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrreeeeee" part wasn't enough, the whole instrumental part that follows is amazing.

Is it enough to overtake The Talisman as my favorite Reunion Era track..??.. It's a close call.

This feels like spoilers for the hopefully coming soon Top 75/50/100 Iron Maiden countdown...but yes I also love The Parchment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 06, 2022, 07:44:42 PM
Six months on and I'm still obsessed with The Parchment. I would love for Steve to explain what this song is about. There are some striking images, but it's all a bit cryptic. Weirdly, I'm not sure he's done any interviews about Senjutsu.

It would easily now make my all time Maiden top 5.  It simply never gets old.

It is extremely close to this for me. Pretty confident it's at least in my top 10, which is an insanely tough group to crack.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2022, 07:45:03 PM
It feels like there is a great song in there when I listen to The Parchment, but, and yes I will be that guy again, the suffocating mix really cripples my enjoyment of the song (and quite frankly most of that record).  I just looked at the levels in Audacity and practically the entire song has the levels cranked to the max.  Too bad, cause it sounds like the song deserved better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 06, 2022, 07:47:18 PM
Maybe I'm just used to the results of Kevin Shirley turning a big dial that says "compression" and repeatedly looking back at Steve Harris for approval, but I don't have any particular trouble listening to the Senjutsu mix.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 06, 2022, 07:48:23 PM
Yeah, I thought Senjutsu sounds fine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on April 06, 2022, 08:58:14 PM
This feels like spoilers for the hopefully coming soon Top 75/50/100 Iron Maiden countdown.

Maiden is about the only other band I could do a solid Top 100 for, but man that would be tough. There is not a ton of separation for me with the top half of their catalog, and not a significant drop off in the bottom half either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 06, 2022, 10:02:34 PM
I think Senjutsu sounds pretty damn good myself, considering Shirley and all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on April 06, 2022, 10:26:04 PM
I think Senjutsu sounds pretty damn good myself, considering Shirley and all.

So do I, sounds amazing and I am very picky about sound quality.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on April 06, 2022, 10:34:17 PM
Some of my earliest experiences getting into bands and music in general were with 2000s Iron Maiden, so yeah – my brain takes all the information (clipping, inadvisable production practices) and just shrugs and goes "sounds so good tho".

Objectively, sure, it'd be great to have the instruments be better separated, more dynamic range and whatnot. But in general I just love it, even the worst offenders like Brave New World and Dance of Death. Just can't part with the material. But I get that the way these records sound may bother other people and that's fine.

Really, really hope they do the tour playing Senjutsu in full – that final unison riff in The Parchment is going to be unbelievable!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 06, 2022, 11:59:56 PM
I like the sound on Senjutsu. No problems with it.

I thought TBOS sounded crap, on the other hand.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2022, 04:46:05 AM
I like the sound on Senjutsu. No problems with it.

I thought TBOS sounded crap, on the other hand.

Yeah, I struggled a little with the sound on TBOS also.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 07, 2022, 06:35:09 AM
The three most recent albums do not sound great. There are occassional moments of brilliance in terms of production, but they are often muddy and hot, which is I guess what Steve and Kevin are going for. However, for me, they absolutely nailed it on A Matter of life and death. That album is just spectacular sonically.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on April 07, 2022, 06:53:32 AM
With so many people loving the new album (Stads lists this as his #1) I'm bummed that I can't connect with it and hear what so many do. I've truly enjoyed all the reunion albums but the new one. Wish I could remedy that with repeat listens but no matter how many times I try, it just feels boring to me...almost a chore to get through.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 07, 2022, 07:43:06 AM
With so many people loving the new album (Stads lists this as his #1) I'm bummed that I can't connect with it and hear what so many do. I've truly enjoyed all the reunion albums but the new one. Wish I could remedy that with repeat listens but no matter how many times I try, it just feels boring to me...almost a chore to get through.

Hey, that's OK, we all like different things. I can't connect to AVFTTOTW, no biggie, don't stress it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 07, 2022, 07:54:00 AM
With so many people loving the new album (Stads lists this as his #1) I'm bummed that I can't connect with it and hear what so many do. I've truly enjoyed all the reunion albums but the new one. Wish I could remedy that with repeat listens but no matter how many times I try, it just feels boring to me...almost a chore to get through.

Hey, that's OK, we all like different things. I can't connect to AVFTTOTW, no biggie, don't stress it.

Yeah, I wouldn't sweat it too much.  There's so much in the catalogue to enjoy...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2022, 08:12:31 AM
With so many people loving the new album (Stads lists this as his #1) I'm bummed that I can't connect with it and hear what so many do. I've truly enjoyed all the reunion albums but the new one. Wish I could remedy that with repeat listens but no matter how many times I try, it just feels boring to me...almost a chore to get through.

Sounds like how I feel with TFF.  A lot of people here seem to love it and I rank it as easily the worst reunion album and bottom 1/4 of their overall catalog.  I love the albums before and after it.  I feel like i should love TFF... but I don't.  It is what it is assuming you've given the time to check it out. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on April 07, 2022, 08:24:23 AM
I feel the same way about The Final Frontier.

So, in advance of Kev (;)) doing a Maiden Top 75, does anyone happen to have a full list of their studio songs by any chance? I want to get playing with the ranking engine :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 07, 2022, 10:04:30 AM
And, hey, those two albums (TFF and Senjutsu) are my two favorite Maiden albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on April 07, 2022, 10:41:49 AM
For me, The Book of Souls is the weakest of the reunion albums. It's still good, but there's just something with it that doesn't fully convince me. TFF has kind of grown on me, despite forgetting about it for some time after the initial release.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 07, 2022, 12:23:43 PM
With so many people loving the new album (Stads lists this as his #1) I'm bummed that I can't connect with it and hear what so many do. I've truly enjoyed all the reunion albums but the new one. Wish I could remedy that with repeat listens but no matter how many times I try, it just feels boring to me...almost a chore to get through.

Tastes vary. I'm the same about TBOS but almost everyone seemed to love it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 07, 2022, 02:02:39 PM
With so many people loving the new album (Stads lists this as his #1) I'm bummed that I can't connect with it and hear what so many do. I've truly enjoyed all the reunion albums but the new one. Wish I could remedy that with repeat listens but no matter how many times I try, it just feels boring to me...almost a chore to get through.

Sounds like how I feel with TFF.  A lot of people here seem to love it and I rank it as easily the worst reunion album and bottom 1/4 of their overall catalog.  I love the albums before and after it.  I feel like i should love TFF... but I don't.  It is what it is assuming you've given the time to check it out.

And... that's me with AMOLAD.  Not a bad album but for me, it's a dense, heavy listen.  I don't think I've ever digested it all in one sitting, whereas I've had DOD and TFF on repeat while painting or working around the house without problems.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2022, 02:05:30 PM
see and now you're talking about my favorite IM album!  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 07, 2022, 02:58:31 PM
For me, The Book of Souls is the weakest of the reunion albums. It's still good, but there's just something with it that doesn't fully convince me. TFF has kind of grown on me, despite forgetting about it for some time after the initial release.

TBoS is perhaps my least favorite reunion album, but I like the reunion era so well that that's not really an insult. Despite having some great material, it was a bit of a let-down for me after AMOLAD and TFF. Which, incidentally, probably set me up to be even more blown away by Senjutsu.

And I think Senjutsu retroactively gave me a greater appreciation for TBoS. I think it being everything I wanted in a Maiden album made me better able to appreciate TBoS for what it is. And it made me spend more time with The Red and the Black, which I see as a precursor to a lot of what I liked on Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 07, 2022, 04:09:10 PM
The Book of Souls is also the weakest reunion era album for me too (still good though) but it really isn't one I return to very often at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2022, 05:12:34 PM
I did give Somewhere in Time a whirl on the ear buds today at work, and I feel like that is definitely a top 3 album by the band. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 07, 2022, 05:31:47 PM
I did give Somewhere in Time a whirl on the ear buds today at work, and I feel like that is definitely a top 3 album by the band.

Awesome Kev! Yes, it is one of my favourites too. I can still remember the day in 86 when I got the cassette on the first day of release, I was blown away by the cover and also the music. I know some have said it hasn't aged well but I disagree, I still love the album to this day. To me it is the pinnacle of Adrian and Dave's guitar playing, just some awesome guitar solos on the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on April 07, 2022, 05:32:53 PM
Somewhere in Time is definitely a top 1 album by the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2022, 05:34:39 PM
I can thank the shuffle on my phone.  The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner popped up on my drive to work this morning, which seemed better than it did before, and I liked it already, so I was like, okay, full album listen today!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2022, 05:42:34 PM
I did give Somewhere in Time a whirl on the ear buds today at work, and I feel like that is definitely a top 3 album by the band.

Awesome Kev! Yes, it is one of my favourites too. I can still remember the day in 86 when I got the cassette on the first day of release, I was blown away by the cover and also the music. I know some have said it hasn't aged well but I disagree, I still love the album to this day. To me it is the pinnacle of Adrian and Dave's guitar playing, just some awesome guitar solos on the album.

I was born in 84 so I didn't live through the era of listening to these albums in real time, but I always thought SIT was ill received and that it aged better. I could be wrong. 

Somewhere in Time is definitely a top 1 album by the band.

My #2, behind AMOLAD
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 07, 2022, 05:59:39 PM
When SiT came out, I thought it sounded so fresh. I didn't really take to Powerslave and I thought SiT was their best album yet.

For me it hasn't aged well, because other than the title track, no other song really got "in me". I like them, but never really loved the others. I will say that Heaven Can Wait, which I didn't care for back then, I love now.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2022, 06:01:41 PM
Being a fan of this band and not loving Alexander the Great and Stranger in a Strange Land seems inconceivable to me, but what do I know? :lol :biggrin:
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Post by: TAC on April 07, 2022, 06:03:36 PM
Being a fan of this band and not loving Alexander the Great and Stranger in a Strange Land seems inconceivable to me, but what do I know? :lol :biggrin:

Well, remember, I thought it was their best album when it came out. I love Stranger In A Strange Land, but, not running a ranker, can't see it in my Top 50. And I did like AtG, but it felt like the token long song.
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Post by: nick_z on April 07, 2022, 06:07:28 PM
I did give Somewhere in Time a whirl on the ear buds today at work, and I feel like that is definitely a top 3 album by the band.

YES!

Being a fan of this band and not loving Alexander the Great and Stranger in a Strange Land seems inconceivable to me, but what do I know? :lol :biggrin:

Well, remember, I thought it was their best album when it came out. I love Stranger In A Strange Land, but, not running a ranker, can't see it in my Top 50. And I did like AtG, but it felt like the token long song.

I do sort of agree on AtG - it's never quite been among my favorite "epics" (still very good, though). The (almost) title-track, Wasted Years and Loneliness are my top songs from SiT...but, really, it's an amazing album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 07, 2022, 07:15:48 PM
Well, great to read all the positive SiT comments. I'm pretty sure I've read lots of comments over the years on this forum that haven't been as positive towards this album, so I think there are some 'detractors' out there.

I've always had a soft spot for Loneliness. The bridge going into the guitar solo was my favourite part of the album back in the day. Probably isn't so much now but still love it. Always loved Alexander the Great, the instrumental section along with the intro are awesome, the vocal sections probably aren't as strong overall.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on April 07, 2022, 07:36:56 PM
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is probably their most underrated song. Absolutely fantastic song. One of their best imo.
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Post by: TAC on April 07, 2022, 07:45:06 PM
Then I'm an underrater because it's one of my least favorite songs by the band.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2022, 07:50:49 PM
Well, I am still a "new" fan in the sense of knowing all of their stuff well (not counting the Blaze material, most of which needs to be banished to the Fire Swamp forever), but I think Somewhere in Time is far more consistent than an album like Piece of Mind, which seems really front loaded (great Side 1, not so great Side 2).

I do plan on revisiting Seventh Son of a Seventh Son here soon, as that has been the odd man out as far as their 80s albums go.  I have barely touched that one since running through their whole discography last fall.
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Post by: gazinwales on April 07, 2022, 07:57:00 PM
Just purchased the 2019 remaster of Seventh Son, it's the third version I have and to my surprise it sounds pretty good.
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Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2022, 08:50:29 PM
Just purchased the 2019 remaster of Seventh Son, it's the third version I have and to my surprise it sounds pretty good.

I didn't even know about 2019 remasters.

Edit:  Actually I'm guessing this would just be the 2015 versions put to CD.
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Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2022, 08:51:01 PM
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is probably their most underrated song. Absolutely fantastic song. One of their best imo.

Yep, very underrated cut.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on April 08, 2022, 12:33:08 AM
Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son are indeed the top 2 for me and in constant fight with each other. for the top title. Gave both albums a listen the past week and here's a very rough comparison:

Opener: Caught Somewhere in Time is perhaps my all time favorite Maiden track, and so it has to win, even though Moonchild is one hell of a song.

The "Smith songs": Okay so we got Wasted Years & Stranger in a Strange Land versus Moonchild & The Evil that Men Do. I know Smith co-wrote the ones on Seventh Son but I'm just trying to compare these somehow  ;D. Anyway, here I would say that the 7th Son songs win by a small margin. But the margin is insanely small. Wasted Years is a fun song but at the same time it's a sign of things to come: Adrian Smith is growing tired of heavy metal and wants to pursue a more radio-friendly approach, and that is clearly audible here. Stranger in a Strange Land is kind of cool. The Evil That Men Do also perhaps has that semi-commercial approach but is in my mind a bit stronger than Wasted Years.

The weak songs: Here, in my opinion, the weakest songs of each album are Heaven Can Wait and Can I Play With Madness. Heaven Can Wait has it's moments (..."take my hand") but I've always disliked that chorus and so Can I Play With Madness is the winner here. I mean it's not the greatest track of all times, but surprisingly entertaining.

The "Murray songs": Okay so we got Deja Vu vs. The Prophecy. The Prophecy has GREAT and beautiful intros and outros, especially the acoustic guitar outro, oh my god. But here I would say that Deja vu is the better song, it has lots of interesting guitar work and nice harmonies. Prophecy on the other hand has a somewhat dull core, even though the beginning and ending kind of rescue it from being a bad song.

The "semi-epics": Infinite Dreams versus The Loneliness of a Long Distance Runner. Didn't think of anything good here so named them "semi-epics" due to length, any other suggestions?  :D It's hard, because both are awesome, but I think Long Distance Runner has always spoken to me more, so I pick that one.

The epics: Seventh Son of a Seventh son versus Alexander the Great. This is not hard, because in my mind the 7th son title track is among the finest moments in music history. So there you go. Alexander is cool but hardly as epic, and that story telling approach with the lyrics doesn't really work for me.

What's left? Sea of Madness and The Clairvoyant I guess. Well, not really comparable, one is a Smith kind of rocker while the other one could be labeled as a semi-epic (Harris, of course). The Clairvoyant wins, but I've always liked Sea of Madness and find it a really underrated song by the band. Especially the chorus is beautiful.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Only The Good Die Young. Kind of a rarity with it's Dickinson/Harris credit, I guess? Not that many songs by only the two of them? I always liked it, it's straight forward but catchy.

Hahaha, confusing post.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 08, 2022, 01:33:16 AM
Somewhere in Time is definitely a top 1 album by the band.
Absolutely.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on April 08, 2022, 01:34:54 AM
It's a close 2nd for me, with only Seventh Son topping it. I love that era of the band.
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Post by: Stadler on April 08, 2022, 06:45:40 AM
Somewhere in Time is definitely a top 1 album by the band.

HAHA.  "Top 1" (and I'm laughing because of the way you wrote it, not that it's number 1).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 08, 2022, 10:22:20 AM
I did give Somewhere in Time a whirl on the ear buds today at work, and I feel like that is definitely a top 3 album by the band.

Awesome Kev! Yes, it is one of my favourites too. I can still remember the day in 86 when I got the cassette on the first day of release, I was blown away by the cover and also the music. I know some have said it hasn't aged well but I disagree, I still love the album to this day. To me it is the pinnacle of Adrian and Dave's guitar playing, just some awesome guitar solos on the album.

I was born in 84 so I didn't live through the era of listening to these albums in real time, but I always thought SIT was ill received and that it aged better. I could be wrong. 

I don't think that's the case.  I recall some initial head scratching about the synths, BUT I think that partially a result of Judas Priest's use of synths on Turbo, which had been released five months earlier and which definitely was not well received.  I think any concern about Maiden doing the same thing was quickly put aside because the song were quite strong, and the synth use was very much for accent.

The thing about SIT for me is that it just doesn't have a "signature song."  Powerslave has Rime and Aces High.  POM has The Trooper and Icarus.  Beast has the title track and Hallowed.  Wasted Years and Stranger got a bit of airplay, but for me they don't really rise above everything else.  But every time I go back and listen to SIT, I definitely enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 08, 2022, 10:34:19 AM
For me, SiT is a very close third among the 80s albums, behind Seventh Son and Piece of Mind. That puts it sixth overall because I'm such a hardline reunion fan, but that's still very good in this discography.

I agree that the album doesn't have a "signature song," but it has a lot of very good songs. Caught Somewhere in Time, Alexander the Great and Stranger in a Strange Land are all fantastic, Wasted Years is excellent, and Sea of Madness is the most underrated 80s Maiden song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 09, 2022, 07:36:25 AM


I do plan on revisiting Seventh Son of a Seventh Son here soon, as that has been the odd man out as far as their 80s albums go.  I have barely touched that one since running through their whole discography last fall.

Spun this one at work yesterday. Good album, but, for my ears, it is definitely the least best of their 80s albums (including the first two).  Almost everything is good, but almost none of it is like, "hot damn, this is great."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 09, 2022, 07:40:47 AM


I do plan on revisiting Seventh Son of a Seventh Son here soon, as that has been the odd man out as far as their 80s albums go.  I have barely touched that one since running through their whole discography last fall.

Spun this one at work yesterday. Good album, but, for my ears, it is definitely the least best of their 80s albums (including the first two).  Almost everything is good, but almost none of it is like, "hot damn, this is great."

Hmm, Moonchild and Infinite Dreams would like a word... ;D

I have a soft spot for this album...actually, I remember not loving it the first time I heard it, but in time it's become one of my favorites. There's just a special atmosphere that makes it pretty unique within Maiden's catalog.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 09, 2022, 08:02:01 AM


I do plan on revisiting Seventh Son of a Seventh Son here soon, as that has been the odd man out as far as their 80s albums go.  I have barely touched that one since running through their whole discography last fall.

Spun this one at work yesterday. Good album, but, for my ears, it is definitely the least best of their 80s albums (including the first two).  Almost everything is good, but almost none of it is like, "hot damn, this is great."

Fair enough. What are your thoughts on the title track? That's one of my top Maiden songs with killer vocals and instrumental section.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 09, 2022, 08:04:07 AM


I do plan on revisiting Seventh Son of a Seventh Son here soon, as that has been the odd man out as far as their 80s albums go.  I have barely touched that one since running through their whole discography last fall.

Spun this one at work yesterday. Good album, but, for my ears, it is definitely the least best of their 80s albums (including the first two).  Almost everything is good, but almost none of it is like, "hot damn, this is great."

Hmm, Moonchild and Infinite Dreams would like a word... ;D


I have a soft spot for this album...actually, I remember not loving it the first time I heard it, but in time it's become one of my favorites. There's just a special atmosphere that makes it pretty unique within Maiden's catalog.

As would Only The Good Die Young and The Clairvoyant !Those four? Essential Maiden :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 09, 2022, 11:04:11 AM
Those are all good songs. I don't think anything stood out to me as being forgettable or average, but as a whole it just feels like a good record with all good songs, just nothing really great.  Feels like all of their other albums from the 80s have much higher highs. 
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Post by: 425 on April 09, 2022, 01:08:57 PM
I think every song is great except Can I Play With Madness, and the title track is at least my third-favorite 80s Maiden song, but I suppose opinions will vary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 09, 2022, 05:32:59 PM
To each our own and all that but personally Seventh Son usually makes any Top10 'albums' list I compile.

Was actually a latecomer to the catalogue too, not by today's standards but not succumbing to the Maiden magic until the early 90's when fell hard for Bruce's Tears Of A Dragon and Seventh Son was the one that stood out from them all.  It probably helped holding original vinyl and being engrossed with that tremendous Seventh Son cover art etc, but while loved them all (Piece Of Mind and Somewhere In Time have remained faves too) think Seventh Son captures everything I have come to loved about 80's Maiden. 

Even Can I Play With Madness has its place \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 09, 2022, 05:36:08 PM
I don't think CIPWM is a bad song; in fact, I think it's the best "worst song" on any of the 80s albums. It's just a cut below the rest of the album.
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Post by: TAC on April 09, 2022, 05:51:55 PM
Not including anything off of The Number Of The Beast album and Caught Somewhere In Time, the next 80's Maiden songs I take are Infinite Dreams and SSOASS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 09, 2022, 07:56:01 PM


I do plan on revisiting Seventh Son of a Seventh Son here soon, as that has been the odd man out as far as their 80s albums go.  I have barely touched that one since running through their whole discography last fall.

Spun this one at work yesterday. Good album, but, for my ears, it is definitely the least best of their 80s albums (including the first two).  Almost everything is good, but almost none of it is like, "hot damn, this is great."

See...for me, SSOASS sits in stark contrast to SIT.  Your comment is exactly how I see SIT.  However, with SSOASS, the title track and Moonchild are exceptional, but the rest of it is no better than average.


Hmm, Moonchild and Infinite Dreams would like a word... ;D

The only word for Infinite Dreams is "overrated."  And The Clairvoyant, which someone else mentioned, is one of the laziest songs Steve Harris has ever written.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 09, 2022, 08:18:47 PM
I would call Infinite Dreams underrated as opposed to overrated.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on April 09, 2022, 08:21:42 PM
Infinite Dreams is one of their very best songs. Top 10.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 09, 2022, 08:22:11 PM
So I will definitely agree with Paul that I never saw the fascination with The Clairvoyant.

To me, the only thing that SSOASS is really missing is an epic closer. Only The Good Die Young is just too...short. Maybe that's the point.


Infinite Dreams rules!
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Post by: jammindude on April 09, 2022, 08:32:00 PM


I do plan on revisiting Seventh Son of a Seventh Son here soon, as that has been the odd man out as far as their 80s albums go.  I have barely touched that one since running through their whole discography last fall.

Spun this one at work yesterday. Good album, but, for my ears, it is definitely the least best of their 80s albums (including the first two).  Almost everything is good, but almost none of it is like, "hot damn, this is great."

See...for me, SSOASS sits in stark contrast to SIT.  Your comment is exactly how I see SIT.  However, with SSOASS, the title track and Moonchild are exceptional, but the rest of it is no better than average.


Hmm, Moonchild and Infinite Dreams would like a word... ;D

The only word for Infinite Dreams is "overrated."  And The Clairvoyant, which someone else mentioned, is one of the laziest songs Steve Harris has ever written.

Laziest? Just the chorus alone proves that wrong. ANY Maiden where the chorus is just a single phrase repeated 8x (and I’m being generous…because it’s often 16 or even more) is lazier than The Clairvoyant.

I’m in the crowd that thinks SSOASS was much better effort than SIT.   I think the title track suffers a bit from the over repetition syndrome that became so prevalent starting with SIT, but most of the rest of the songs have far stronger choruses than SIT did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 09, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
So I will definitely agree with Paul that I never saw the fascination with The Clairvoyant.

To me, the only thing that SSOASS is really missing is an epic closer. Only The Good Die Young is just too...short. Maybe that's the point.


Infinite Dreams rules!

I think OTGDY is definitely pretty under appreciated too. No issues with it as a closer for me.  Love the ending.
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Post by: The Realm on April 09, 2022, 08:58:17 PM
Another big Infinite Dreams fan here. It is probably my number 1 track on the album, but it is tough to beat the title track.


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 09, 2022, 09:10:20 PM
Count me in again, as great as Moonchild was remember being blown away on first listen to Infinite Dreams.  I'd argue for its time Infinite Dreams was rather unique, inspired, and creatively speaking was a huge step for them at that time.

Regards Only The Good Die Young, yes it was short but frankly after the progressive path a lot of the album had already taken by then, found that made it the perfect closer leaving us wanting more, and songwise, it's often a forgotten gem of the Maiden catalogue, love it! \m/

2c and all IMO of course 😁
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Post by: KevShmev on April 09, 2022, 09:13:54 PM
Listened to some of the first two albums tonight when driving to and from hanging with a buddy to watch the hockey game.  Strange World is still so darn good, and I really like Prodigal Son as well. Something about that one just sparkles.  :coolio
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Post by: wolfking on April 09, 2022, 09:28:44 PM
Listened to some of the first two albums tonight when driving to and from hanging with a buddy to watch the hockey game.  Strange World is still so darn good, and I really like Prodigal Son as well. Something about that one just sparkles.  :coolio

One of the bands greatest solo sections, both Adrian and Dave.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 10, 2022, 05:45:32 AM
Listened to some of the first two albums tonight when driving to and from hanging with a buddy to watch the hockey game.  Strange World is still so darn good, and I really like Prodigal Son as well. Something about that one just sparkles.  :coolio

Yeah it’s kind of a shame they largely abandoned that facet of their sound.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2022, 08:10:02 AM
Dipping into some of the newer stuff again as well. Feels like A Matter of Life and Death is the best of the bunch in this century.
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Post by: nick_z on April 10, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Listened to some of the first two albums tonight when driving to and from hanging with a buddy to watch the hockey game.  Strange World is still so darn good, and I really like Prodigal Son as well. Something about that one just sparkles.  :coolio

One of the bands greatest solo sections, both Adrian and Dave.

Couldn't agree more. Prodigal Son is such a unique song for them. Killers is kind of funny, that way. I can't say I love all of it - some songs just come and go (Another Life, Innocent Exile, Drifter...), but then there are some absolute gems (Murders in the Rue Morgue, the title-track - Di'Anno is perfect for those - Prodigal Son and Purgatory). 
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Post by: TAC on April 10, 2022, 09:22:47 AM
Dipping into some of the newer stuff again as well. Feels like A Matter of Life and Death is the best of the bunch in this century.

Not to go all TACRanger on you but I believe it’s pretty much regarded as the centerpiece of the Reunion Era.
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Post by: nick_z on April 10, 2022, 10:09:54 AM
Dipping into some of the newer stuff again as well. Feels like A Matter of Life and Death is the best of the bunch in this century.

Not to go all TACRanger on you but I believe it’s pretty much regarded as the centerpiece of the Reunion Era.

That's why I gather too, but I'm not quite sure there's "hard" data to back this feeling up.

My personal favorite of the Reunion Era still is Dance of Death.

You know, I haven't quite figured out yet where I'd rank Senjutsu among the reunion albums. It was such a pleasant surprise last year, in that I expected to enjoy it, but not necessarily to like it as much as I did. So, I think it would land in the top half of the six, but haven't firmed up a position (I know, important decisions  :biggrin:)
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Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2022, 10:15:10 AM
RYM used to be a useful guide for rankings, but it feels like they get less and less traffic, as albums in the last decade get far less reviews than ones from, say, the 2000s.

https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/iron-maiden

Looks like Brave New World has a pretty big lead over A Matter of Life and Death there, but those being the top two rated ones of the newest six makes sense to me.  I still need to give the two newest ones more listens, but I dinged both from the start due to a) both sounding muddy as all get-out, and b) both having too many songs that seemed excessively long.  It was a chore to get through both.
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Post by: Mladen on April 10, 2022, 02:15:43 PM
Dipping into some of the newer stuff again as well. Feels like A Matter of Life and Death is the best of the bunch in this century.
It absolutely is in my opinion. However, many people prefer Brave new world or even The Book of souls.
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Post by: emtee on April 10, 2022, 02:58:23 PM
Book Of Souls
The Final Frontier
A Matter Of Life And Death

Also, I put the headphones on last night and spun SSoaSS. Such a great album from beginning to end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 10, 2022, 03:04:44 PM


I do plan on revisiting Seventh Son of a Seventh Son here soon, as that has been the odd man out as far as their 80s albums go.  I have barely touched that one since running through their whole discography last fall.

Spun this one at work yesterday. Good album, but, for my ears, it is definitely the least best of their 80s albums (including the first two).  Almost everything is good, but almost none of it is like, "hot damn, this is great."

See...for me, SSOASS sits in stark contrast to SIT.  Your comment is exactly how I see SIT.  However, with SSOASS, the title track and Moonchild are exceptional, but the rest of it is no better than average.


Hmm, Moonchild and Infinite Dreams would like a word... ;D

The only word for Infinite Dreams is "overrated."  And The Clairvoyant, which someone else mentioned, is one of the laziest songs Steve Harris has ever written.

Laziest? Just the chorus alone proves that wrong. ANY Maiden where the chorus is just a single phrase repeated 8x (and I’m being generous…because it’s often 16 or even more) is lazier than The Clairvoyant.

TBH, I was mostly thinking of the bass intro when I wrote "laziest."  That said, the chorus sounds like something kids on a kindergarten playground would sing (albeit without the dark lyrics).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 10, 2022, 04:06:11 PM
RYM used to be a useful guide for rankings, but it feels like they get less and less traffic, as albums in the last decade get far less reviews than ones from, say, the 2000s.

https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/iron-maiden

Looks like Brave New World has a pretty big lead over A Matter of Life and Death there, but those being the top two rated ones of the newest six makes sense to me.  I still need to give the two newest ones more listens, but I dinged both from the start due to a) both sounding muddy as all get-out, and b) both having too many songs that seemed excessively long.  It was a chore to get through both.


BNW being the most popular one fits with my experience. I'm pretty sure that's because a lot of people who aren't big fans of the reunion era nevertheless really like that one, and reunion fans still like it a lot. So it makes sense that if you asked all Iron Maiden fans to rate the six albums, BNW would be highest. On the other hand, if you took a poll only of people who think highly of the reunion era as a whole, I think AMOLAD would win.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 10, 2022, 06:43:04 PM
RYM used to be a useful guide for rankings, but it feels like they get less and less traffic, as albums in the last decade get far less reviews than ones from, say, the 2000s.

https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/iron-maiden

Looks like Brave New World has a pretty big lead over A Matter of Life and Death there, but those being the top two rated ones of the newest six makes sense to me.  I still need to give the two newest ones more listens, but I dinged both from the start due to a) both sounding muddy as all get-out, and b) both having too many songs that seemed excessively long.  It was a chore to get through both.


BNW being the most popular one fits with my experience. I'm pretty sure that's because a lot of people who aren't big fans of the reunion era nevertheless really like that one, and reunion fans still like it a lot. So it makes sense that if you asked all Iron Maiden fans to rate the six albums, BNW would be highest. On the other hand, if you took a poll only of people who think highly of the reunion era as a whole, I think AMOLAD would win.

This is a very reasonable assessment, I think.

In my own experience (read: circle of friends), when BNW came out in 2000, there was (understandably) a lot of initial excitement for the return of Bruce and Adrian, and the album was generally VERY well received. When that waned a bit, looking at the album a little more "coldly", some started "complaining" about certain issues (songs that were longer than they needed to be, chorus repetitions etc.). I then remember people (again, people I knew) being quite happy with the songs on Dance of Death - sure, the cover art was terrible and some production choices questionable, but the songwriting was there. By the time A Matter of Life and Death came out, I didn't have that same circle for feedback - in my own view, the album was a great accomplishment for the band, but a little more of a chore to get through, for some reason. I saw them on that tour and, while I found the decision to play the whole thing admirable, I can't say I was super-happy with it.

Like I said, DoD is my personal favorite in the Reunion Era, but I still like BNW a lot. I think I might rank them this way (today, at least):

Dance of Death
Brave New World
Senjutsu
A Matter of Life and Death
The Final Frontier
The Book of Souls

...but Senjutsu and A Matter... could easily be flipped. I don't know, Senjutsu is still pretty fresh. The Final Frontier has grown on me a lot over the years. Didn't particularly care for it when it came out, I very much enjoy it now. And I consider TBOS a very good album too (If Eternity Should Fail is one of my favorite reunion songs) - it's the one, however, that feels too long to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2022, 07:44:05 PM
I think A Matter of Life and Death is a little more consistent than Brave New World, the latter of which had a few songs I thought were skippers, but I think BNW might have higher highs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2022, 07:57:37 PM
I will say this as well: the acoustic callback at the end of the The Legacy to the song's main theme is rad as hell.   :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2022, 06:26:13 AM
Fascinating to me how different opinions are.  I consider myself a fairly hard core Maiden fan; been on the train since Number of the Beast, they were the first rock concert I ever went to, and I've seen them through the years (now they are a go-to regardless of what album they are promoting).   

So I have issue with:
- Another Life is not a "come and go" song: it's one of the three best from Killers, which is itself a top Maiden album;
- The Clairvoyant is one of the better songs on SSOASS, which is itself a top Maiden album.  Not the best of the 80's, but certainly better than SiT and what came immediately after;
- Infinite Dreams is a great song, especially live;
- Brave New World is easily the least of the reunion era.  I tend to like the reunion stuff, and maybe even better than the original period, but BNW is not the best, and neither is AMOLAD.

My list:

- Senjutsu
- The Final Frontier
- Dance of Death
- The Book Of Souls
- AMOLAD
- Brave New World
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on April 11, 2022, 08:26:47 AM
:omg:

Brave New World is their best reunion period album! :biggrin:

For the longest time, I'd have ranked A Matter of Life and Death at the bottom. It's slowly, ever so slowly, grown on me over time and with repeated listens.

Brave New World
Senjutsu
Dance of Death (any album that contains Paschendale, Montsegur and Dance of Death cannot be rated lower than third despite the rest of the album including a couple of utter clunkers)
A Matter of Life and Death
The Book of Souls
The Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2022, 08:29:31 AM
My reunion rankings:

1 A Matter of Life and Death
2 Brave New World
3 Senjutsu
4 Dance of Death
5 Book of Souls
6 The Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 11, 2022, 10:00:33 AM
As far as AMOLAD goes, it at least has the best vocals of the reunion era, with BNW a close second.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on April 11, 2022, 10:39:38 AM
My take is this:

1. AMOLAD
2. Dance of Death
3. Brave New World
4. Senjtusu
5. Final Frontier
6. The Book of Souls

And a best of reunion album would look like this, bitte schön:

Disc One
1. The Wicker Man
2. The Ghost of the Navigator
3. The Fallen Angel
4. Rainmaker
5. No More Lies
6. Dance of Death
7. Brighter than a Thousand Suns
8. The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
9. Lord of Light

Disc Two
1. Mother of Mercy
2. Isle of Avalon
3. Starblind
4. The Red and the Black
5. Death or Glory
6. Where the River Runs Deep
7. Stratego
8. The Parchment
9. Hell on Earth

If Iron Maiden actually released a "best of the reunion years" album, it would of course look nothing like that. Instead, it would have all the singles (El Dorado, Wildest Dreams, Writings on the Wall and what have you) and stuff like Blood Brothers on it. Of course I included some of the singles as well. Come to think of it, Benjamin Breeg was actually a pretty weird single. But well, so was Angel and the Gambler back in the day as well..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2022, 12:13:16 PM
I have some songs that need to be on there - Journeyman, When The Wild Wind Blows - but as an example of Best Of (The Reunion Years), that's pretty damn good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 11, 2022, 02:26:12 PM
The Talisman wants a weird with you both.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 11, 2022, 02:32:26 PM
The Talisman wants a weird with you both.  ;D

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2022, 04:09:30 PM
I have some songs that need to be on there - Journeyman, When The Wild Wind Blows - but as an example of Best Of (The Reunion Years), that's pretty damn good.

I am with ya on that.  Journeyman from the Death on the Road live album, where the crowd sings along, absolutely seems essential.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 11, 2022, 04:17:39 PM
The Talisman wants a weird with you both.  ;D

Indeed.  The best reunion song until Senjutsu arrived.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 11, 2022, 06:53:22 PM
Fascinating to me how different opinions are.  I consider myself a fairly hard core Maiden fan; been on the train since Number of the Beast, they were the first rock concert I ever went to, and I've seen them through the years (now they are a go-to regardless of what album they are promoting).   

So I have issue with:
- Another Life is not a "come and go" song: it's one of the three best from Killers, which is itself a top Maiden album;

I'll take this one, since it was my comment  ;D I'll say Another Life is the best of that three-song group I mentioned. By the way, truly, none of the songs is less than "good". I just listened to it again and Killers is such a cool album. Brilliant. The band sounds so...hungry. A mood that is so perfectly encapsulated by the cover art.

By the way, out of curiosity - what are the other two songs in your Killers top 3?

- Brave New World is easily the least of the reunion era.  I tend to like the reunion stuff, and maybe even better than the original period, but BNW is not the best, and neither is AMOLAD.

As you can see from my ranking, I certainly don't disagree on AMOLAD. I do rank BNW much higher than you do, though. Again, I don't doubt there was a lot of hype that played into how the album was received then and (perhaps) how it's looked at now. But, minus some of the obvious quibbles I mentioned before, I still listen to it with great pleasure.

We certainly do agree on the fact that Maiden have released quality music over the last 20+ years. I still take 80s Maiden over Reunion Maiden, but there is SO much to enjoy in the latter.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 11, 2022, 06:56:55 PM
Piping in to say that I have always loved Another Life.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2022, 06:50:46 AM
By the way, out of curiosity - what are the other two songs in your Killers top 3?


Murders In The Rue Morgue and either Killers or Prodigal Son, depending on my mood.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 12, 2022, 07:09:50 AM
The Talisman wants a weird with you both.  ;D

Indeed.  The best reunion song until Senjutsu arrived.

I may have missed it but are you referring to Senjutsu the title track or something else off the album.and if so what exactly?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 12, 2022, 09:08:31 AM
By the way, out of curiosity - what are the other two songs in your Killers top 3?


Murders In The Rue Morgue and either Killers or Prodigal Son, depending on my mood.

Those would be in the running for me too. As I said before, I also have a soft spot for Purgatory. Great song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 12, 2022, 02:01:00 PM
The Talisman wants a weird with you both.  ;D

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That even fits my autocorrect fail.. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2022, 03:12:02 PM
The Talisman wants a weird with you both.  ;D

Indeed.  The best reunion song until Senjutsu arrived.

I may have missed it but are you referring to Senjutsu the title track or something else off the album.and if so what exactly?

All I mean is The Talisman is the best reunion song BUT there's a chance, Lost, Parchment or HOE beats it.  I'm just not really sure yet.  Needs more time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2022, 03:16:24 PM
The Talisman wants a weird with you both.  ;D

Indeed.  The best reunion song until Senjutsu arrived.

I may have missed it but are you referring to Senjutsu the title track or something else off the album.and if so what exactly?

All I mean is The Talisman is the best reunion song BUT there's a chance, Lost, Parchment or HOE beats it.  I'm just not really sure yet.  Needs more time.

The Parchment is giving it a run, but I'd still take The Talisman over Lost In A Lost World and Hell On Earth.
I feel like The Parchment has moved into the #2 spot on my Reunion Era list though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2022, 03:17:28 PM
The Legacy is my #1 reunion era song
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on April 12, 2022, 03:19:14 PM
Paschendale.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2022, 03:20:48 PM
The Talisman wants a weird with you both.  ;D

Indeed.  The best reunion song until Senjutsu arrived.

I may have missed it but are you referring to Senjutsu the title track or something else off the album.and if so what exactly?

All I mean is The Talisman is the best reunion song BUT there's a chance, Lost, Parchment or HOE beats it.  I'm just not really sure yet.  Needs more time.

The Parchment is giving it a run, but I'd still take The Talisman over Lost In A Lost World and Hell On Earth.
I feel like The Parchment has moved into the #2 spot on my Reunion Era list though.

I can get on board with all of that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2022, 03:21:49 PM
Maybe Isle of Avalon?  Journeyman?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2022, 03:28:33 PM
Maybe Isle of Avalon?  Journeyman?

I never quite thought Journeyman was anything special at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2022, 03:37:19 PM
Maybe Isle of Avalon?  Journeyman?

I never quite thought Journeyman was anything special at all.

Me neither. I really respected what they were going for though. I will say that it is aging pretty well, however.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2022, 03:37:53 PM
Maybe Isle of Avalon?  Journeyman?

I never quite thought Journeyman was anything special at all.

I love that melody; there's also another version as a b-side that's interesting to hear, as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2022, 03:52:54 PM
It has aged well and I too appreciate the band doing it.  I feel because it's their only acoustic song it gets more praise than what it deserves just because of that aspect.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 12, 2022, 03:59:41 PM
The Talisman, The Parchment, The Legacy, Paschendale and Isle of Avalon would all be definite contenders for my favorite reunion song (which, if you know me, you can guess is is also likely the same thing as my favorite Iron Maiden song). For the Greater Good of God and Starblind are the other reunion songs I would put in that echelon.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2022, 04:21:43 PM
The Talisman
The Parchment
For The Greater Good Of God
Coming Home
Lord Of Light
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2022, 04:29:44 PM
Maybe Isle of Avalon?  Journeyman?

I never quite thought Journeyman was anything special at all.

I love that melody; there's also another version as a b-side that's interesting to hear, as well.

I think between the album version, the alternate electric version, and the live version... the song's pretty solid whatever way you spin it.  I don't think it's "top Maiden" although I wouldn't be surprised if others thought it was, as mentioned before, that live version is really awesome and there is something to watching them perform acoustically that is unique and interesting. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2022, 05:13:26 PM
It feels like Blood Brothers needs to be in this conversation as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2022, 05:16:25 PM
It feels like Blood Brothers needs to be in this conversation as well.

It's a decent song. I never really took notice of it until I heard the Death On The Road version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2022, 05:18:36 PM
It feels like Blood Brothers needs to be in this conversation as well.

It's a decent song. I never really took notice of it until I heard the Death On The Road version.

That's one of those songs; it's a whole 'nother beast live. It really is strong on stage.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2022, 05:19:38 PM
It feels like Blood Brothers needs to be in this conversation as well.

For me, it kind of falls into the same category as Journeyman.  Really good song, probably not "top maiden" for me.  The difference though, this song has gotten more live playtime and then bringing it out in the encore of the BOS tour really elevated this song for a lot of people including myself who always liked it, but it's become one of those signature IM songs in a way because of that IMO. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2022, 05:22:23 PM
It feels like Blood Brothers needs to be in this conversation as well.

For me, it kind of falls into the same category as Journeyman.  Really good song, probably not "top maiden" for me.  The difference though, this song has gotten more live playtime and then bringing it out in the encore of the BOS tour really elevated this song for a lot of people including myself who always liked it, but it's become one of those signature IM songs in a way because of that IMO.

That's what did it for me.  That was such a great ending to a great show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2022, 06:01:06 PM
It feels like Blood Brothers needs to be in this conversation as well.

For me, it kind of falls into the same category as Journeyman.  Really good song, probably not "top maiden" for me.  The difference though, this song has gotten more live playtime and then bringing it out in the encore of the BOS tour really elevated this song for a lot of people including myself who always liked it, but it's become one of those signature IM songs in a way because of that IMO.

That's what did it for me.  That was such a great ending to a great show.

It's pretty awesome on RiR too, but I think the placement at the end of show got the crowd really into it.  Not that different to the crowd really elevating the live performance of Journeyman. And RiR was 20 or so years ago and with it's staying power in the set, that seperates it from a lot of the reunion era. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2022, 07:28:02 PM
It feels like Blood Brothers needs to be in this conversation as well.

For me, it kind of falls into the same category as Journeyman.  Really good song, probably not "top maiden" for me.  The difference though, this song has gotten more live playtime and then bringing it out in the encore of the BOS tour really elevated this song for a lot of people including myself who always liked it, but it's become one of those signature IM songs in a way because of that IMO.

That's what did it for me.  That was such a great ending to a great show.

Yep, I grew a massive appreciation for it after seeing it live on that tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 12, 2022, 11:56:20 PM
The Talisman
The Parchment
For The Greater Good Of God
Coming Home
Lord Of Light

Lord of Light is in the second tier for me after the seven I listed. Coming Home is a little lower; it's actually one of my least favorites on TFF, but "my least favorites on TFF" still translates to "songs I really like"


It feels like Blood Brothers needs to be in this conversation as well.

For me, it kind of falls into the same category as Journeyman.  Really good song, probably not "top maiden" for me.  The difference though, this song has gotten more live playtime and then bringing it out in the encore of the BOS tour really elevated this song for a lot of people including myself who always liked it, but it's become one of those signature IM songs in a way because of that IMO. 

This is where I am on Blood Brothers.

A big part of my experience doing my Iron Maiden ranking a couple of years ago was looking at the songs that I was putting in the 50s and 60s and thinking that these are (a) just fantastic songs, and (b) correctly placed that low on my list. It'll be interesting to see if others have the same experience when we do the Iron Maiden ranking thread later this year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 13, 2022, 12:45:27 AM
Some of my favorite reunion era songs, off the top of my head:

Ghost of the navigator
Blood brothers
Wildest dreams
Dance of death
Paschendale
Brighter than a thousand suns
The Reincarnation of Benjamin Bregg
The Legacy
The Alchemist
The Man who would be king
The Red and the black
Empire of the clouds
Darkest hour
Hell on earth

These are all easily 10/10, but there might be more of them, honestly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 13, 2022, 04:29:18 AM
1. Brave New World
2. Senjutsu
3. AMOLAD
4. Dance Of Death
5. Book Of Souls
6. Final Frontier

So yeah, gave it some months and it's official.  While AMOLAD might be a slightly more consistent listen, Senjutsu has the major highlights so there it is! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 13, 2022, 05:59:12 AM
Top 3 for me are

Paschendale
The Thin Line Between Love & Hate
Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 13, 2022, 07:10:51 AM
Top 3 for me are

Paschendale
The Thin Line Between Love & Hate
Brighter Than a Thousand Suns

While it didn't make my Top 5 Reunion Era tracks, it does make my Top 10.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 13, 2022, 08:55:08 AM
Yeah so I just watched The Talisman on En Vivo and man Bruce CRUSHES it. Legend.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 13, 2022, 10:26:56 AM
Yeah so I just watched The Talisman on En Vivo and man Bruce CRUSHES it. Legend.

Hell fucking yes!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 13, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
Top 3 for me are

Paschendale
The Thin Line Between Love & Hate
Brighter Than a Thousand Suns

While it didn't make my Top 5 Reunion Era tracks, it does make my Top 10.

The Thin Line is one of my favorites from BNW. LOVE Bruce's singing in the "softer" part of the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 13, 2022, 02:34:31 PM
Yeah so I just watched The Talisman on En Vivo and man Bruce CRUSHES it. Legend.

Hell fucking yes!!!

That whole show is a favorite of mine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Yeah so I just watched The Talisman on En Vivo and man Bruce CRUSHES it. Legend.

Hell fucking yes!!!

That whole show is a favorite of mine.

Even as someone who isn't a huge TFF fan, that live album is REALLY good.  Even better if you watch the blu-ray.  It's amazing quality and because of that, it's one of their best live full concert videos even if the setlist of other videos are more to my taste. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 13, 2022, 03:31:57 PM
Yeah so I just watched The Talisman on En Vivo and man Bruce CRUSHES it. Legend.

Could be my fav Maiden performance of all time.  Top 5 anyway.  If people want more appreciation of The Talisman, this is the version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 13, 2022, 03:57:23 PM
It's definitely what got me invested in The Talisman, back in 2012. Up until that point, I'd been more focused on Isle of Avalon, Starblind and When the Wild Wind Blows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 13, 2022, 05:22:27 PM
The Talisman is great. I've grown to love TFF album more and more over the years. My favourite part of the whole album though is the heavy middle section of When The Wild Wind Blows " They've been preparing for some weeks now..etc" that section is one of my favourite sections of the whole reunion era.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2022, 05:24:17 PM
As still a newbie to the album, I would agree that The Talisman is the best song from The Final Frontier, but Isle of Avalon is almost as good, and Starblind makes for a stellar top 3 overall.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 13, 2022, 05:28:17 PM
Blood Brothers has been mentioned above as a song that becomes something special live (which I agree with). I have always felt the same way with Dance of Death. When the album came out, I enjoyed the song but when I saw it performed live, I was totally blown away, it was one of the highlights of the whole gig.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 13, 2022, 10:01:05 PM
Love the Talisman and agree it, Alchemist and Starblind are the highlights, Wild Wind probably close although never warmed to TFF like others have...

Actually my initial issue with Talisman was it seemed too close to Bruce's Book Of Thel from Chemical Wedding but meh, mostly nitpicking, it's a cracking tune \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 13, 2022, 11:19:12 PM
Love the Talisman and agree it, Alchemist and Starblind are the highlights, Wild Wind probably close although never warmed to TFF like others have...

Actually my initial issue with Talisman was it seemed too close to Bruce's Book Of Thel from Chemical Wedding but meh, mostly nitpicking, it's a cracking tune \m/

I have never thought that ever.  I can't even think what possible connections between the two could be similar.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 13, 2022, 11:31:59 PM
Love the Talisman and agree it, Alchemist and Starblind are the highlights, Wild Wind probably close although never warmed to TFF like others have...

Actually my initial issue with Talisman was it seemed too close to Bruce's Book Of Thel from Chemical Wedding but meh, mostly nitpicking, it's a cracking tune \m/

I have never thought that ever.  I can't even think what possible connections between the two could be similar.

Same here. Love both songs, but have never thought that they were at all similar?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 14, 2022, 01:50:18 AM
Yeah could never really put my finger on it maybe Bruce's delivery or something but yep, I remember initially skipping over Talisman but love the track now and not sure why all that was so go figure :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 14, 2022, 02:14:55 AM
Yeah so I just watched The Talisman on En Vivo and man Bruce CRUSHES it. Legend.

Could be my fav Maiden performance of all time.  Top 5 anyway.  If people want more appreciation of The Talisman, this is the version.

Wow. Just watched it. That was fucking excellent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 14, 2022, 04:47:02 AM
I was always impressed by that performance. He stands in his spot with eyes closed, just focused on delivering the goods with the singing. From "Four leagues and ten and we hit storms again" onwards he hits pretty much every note.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 14, 2022, 06:47:42 AM
As still a newbie to the album, I would agree that The Talisman is the best song from The Final Frontier, but Isle of Avalon is almost as good, and Starblind makes for a stellar top 3 overall.

That performance I mentioned is in HD quality on YouTube if you ever want to check it out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2022, 08:02:44 AM
Blood Brothers has been mentioned above as a song that becomes something special live (which I agree with). I have always felt the same way with Dance of Death. When the album came out, I enjoyed the song but when I saw it performed live, I was totally blown away, it was one of the highlights of the whole gig.

As much love as The Talisman is getting and deserves, IMO, Dance of Death is the best song on En Vivo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2022, 06:16:46 PM
As still a newbie to the album, I would agree that The Talisman is the best song from The Final Frontier, but Isle of Avalon is almost as good, and Starblind makes for a stellar top 3 overall.

That performance I mentioned is in HD quality on YouTube if you ever want to check it out.

I actually bought the En Vivo Blu-ray a few months ago.

I still need to watch it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 14, 2022, 07:21:25 PM
As still a newbie to the album, I would agree that The Talisman is the best song from The Final Frontier, but Isle of Avalon is almost as good, and Starblind makes for a stellar top 3 overall.

That performance I mentioned is in HD quality on YouTube if you ever want to check it out.

I actually bought the En Vivo Blu-ray a few months ago.

I still need to watch it.

I don't have the blu-ray, just the CDs.  I have to change that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 14, 2022, 10:10:36 PM
I have it on DVD in a metal case. I actually am not sure I have it on CD, since I got it during the brief era when I was just downloading things on iTunes.

Kev, I can't remember whether you said you'd seen any of the live videos, but what you can look forward to on En Vivo is a band that still has incredible energy despite all being in their 50s at the time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2022, 05:05:53 PM
Yeah, I will bust it out soon.  Looking forward to it.

In other news, you can all point at me and laugh now about how I was wrong...

Infinite Dreams played in the car earlier on shuffle.

The light bulb came on.

Great stuff.

Love when that happens.  :hat :hat
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 15, 2022, 05:06:45 PM
Infinite Dreams rules!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 15, 2022, 05:11:06 PM
Yeah, I will bust it out soon.  Looking forward to it.

In other news, you can all point at me and laugh now about how I was wrong...

Infinite Dreams played in the car earlier on shuffle.

The light bulb came on.

Great stuff.

Love when that happens.  :hat :hat

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 15, 2022, 05:23:01 PM
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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 15, 2022, 08:00:41 PM
Yeah, I will bust it out soon.  Looking forward to it.

In other news, you can all point at me and laugh now about how I was wrong...

Infinite Dreams played in the car earlier on shuffle.

The light bulb came on.

Great stuff.

Love when that happens.  :hat :hat

Awesome! Yes love Infinite Dreams.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 16, 2022, 02:30:39 AM
Yeah, I will bust it out soon.  Looking forward to it.

In other news, you can all point at me and laugh now about how I was wrong...

Infinite Dreams played in the car earlier on shuffle.

The light bulb came on.

Great stuff.

Love when that happens.  :hat :hat

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 16, 2022, 06:57:05 AM
Yeah, I will bust it out soon.  Looking forward to it.

In other news, you can all point at me and laugh now about how I was wrong...

Infinite Dreams played in the car earlier on shuffle.

The light bulb came on.

Great stuff.

Love when that happens.  :hat :hat

 :metal :metal :metal

 :metal indeed!!

On top of being a fantastic song all-around, Infinite Dreams has one of those "quintessential" Maiden moments - the instrumental section starting just past the 4-minute mark (and then reprised a minute later). That simple harmonized lead, and Nicko just on fire. Amazing. Come to think of it, the whole instrumental section is fantastic. I love Infinite Dreams  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 16, 2022, 07:42:49 AM
Infinite Dreams is my favorite song off that album 🤘😛🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 16, 2022, 08:22:39 AM
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Tim, you always come up with the coolest gifs  :tup.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 16, 2022, 10:41:11 AM
Yeah, I will bust it out soon.  Looking forward to it.

In other news, you can all point at me and laugh now about how I was wrong...

Infinite Dreams played in the car earlier on shuffle.

The light bulb came on.

Great stuff.

Love when that happens.  :hat :hat

Awesome, so glad to hear it!

The instrumental section Nick mentioned is great, but I also think it has one of their better finales. "There's got to be just more to it than this" And the first verse is great, too. Just a great song all around.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2022, 05:11:03 PM
I was telling this the other day to a friend (who is a massive fan and is the one with whom I did the run through last fall): what's wild is that even though I didn't hear these albums until recently, there are moments on both Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son... that remind me of my late grade school/early high school years.  They both just have that later 80s hard rock sound and mix and tones that just remind me of other music at the time that is ingrained in my head and bring me back to the times like the summer of '87.  :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 16, 2022, 05:12:21 PM
The 7th Son shows I saw were in July of 1988.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2022, 05:14:32 PM
The 7th Son shows I saw were in July of 1988.

Like this one?

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/1988/centrum-in-worcester-worcester-ma-6bd3ae7a.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 16, 2022, 05:59:39 PM
The 7th Son shows I saw were in July of 1988.

Like this one?

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/1988/centrum-in-worcester-worcester-ma-6bd3ae7a.html

Yes. I actually bought a solo seat on the floor with the hopes of getting up front. It worked!

July 17, 1988
Worcester Centrum


(https://i.imgur.com/oykvHSv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rQ0goZR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vJUwFBS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/m7Lefbw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hkkqzvL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eunzpvi.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gPcj3Db.jpg)


Ace Frehley opened!

(https://i.imgur.com/d3lYt3G.jpg)




I saw them in Providence 3 days later. No pics though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2022, 07:09:02 PM
Gotta love those 80s haircuts.  :metal :metal

Looking at the below, looks like Stanger in a Strange Land hasn't been played nearly enough, if you ask me.

https://www.setlist.fm/stats/iron-maiden-3bd6803c.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 16, 2022, 07:19:25 PM
Yeah, they played it on the Somewhere In Time tour, and an the first few shows of the Ed Hunter reunion tour in the summer of 1999. Unfortunately, Boston was the first of a handful of shows that Adrian missed due to his father passing away. I was so bummed he wasn't there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 16, 2022, 07:23:27 PM
Uh, I didn't realize they had resurrected it in 1999...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2022, 07:25:04 PM
I pick that song often lately when going through this new little Maiden binge. Definitely one of my favorites.

Interestingly, I find that of the five 80s albums with Dickinson, Piece of Mind is the one I rarely go to for anything lately.  Good album for sure, but it just feels like the others are better.  Of course, I said that about Seventh Son a week or two ago :lol, so my mind is ever-changing with this stuff lately, but it just feels like it's the least best of the bunch...right now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 16, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
Uh, I didn't realize they had resurrected it in 1999...

https://youtu.be/jLxeR9pNF0g?t=2366
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 16, 2022, 07:51:15 PM
Uh, I didn't realize they had resurrected it in 1999...

https://youtu.be/jLxeR9pNF0g?t=2366

Neat!!  :tup Quality of the recording aside, they sound great. And Bruce, my goodness, he's in such good shape, vocally. I always thought, back then, that he sounded 100% rejuvenated in his solo work, and that definitely carried over to the Maiden reunion...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 16, 2022, 07:52:25 PM
Interestingly, I find that of the five 80s albums with Dickinson, Piece of Mind is the one I rarely go to for anything lately.  Good album for sure, but it just feels like the others are better.  Of course, I said that about Seventh Son a week or two ago :lol, so my mind is ever-changing with this stuff lately, but it just feels like it's the least best of the bunch...right now.

So hearing all of these albums as they came out in real time..  To me, Piece Of Mind has a really organic sound that will always resonate with me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 16, 2022, 07:56:12 PM
I pick that song often lately when going through this new little Maiden binge. Definitely one of my favorites.

Interestingly, I find that of the five 80s albums with Dickinson, Piece of Mind is the one I rarely go to for anything lately.  Good album for sure, but it just feels like the others are better.  Of course, I said that about Seventh Son a week or two ago :lol, so my mind is ever-changing with this stuff lately, but it just feels like it's the least best of the bunch...right now.

Kev, you might have done this a few pages back when you did the run, but I'm lazy  ;) What's your ranking of Maiden's 80s albums? Curious to see your perspective from having (re?)discovered them recently...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 16, 2022, 07:56:34 PM
Uh, I didn't realize they had resurrected it in 1999...

https://youtu.be/jLxeR9pNF0g?t=2366

Neat!!  :tup Quality of the recording aside, they sound great. And Bruce, my goodness, he's in such good shape, vocally. I always thought, back then, that he sounded 100% rejuvenated in his solo work, and that definitely carried over to the Maiden reunion...

I was never a huge Bruce fan per se back in the 80's. I kind of always thought he was full of shit. But when I first heard Balls To Picasso, his talent jumped out at me. I agree with you that he returned to Maiden stronger than ever in all facets.

Even though Maiden in the Reunion Era is still Steve's ship, Bruce is such a force in its' success.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 16, 2022, 07:58:10 PM
Uh, I didn't realize they had resurrected it in 1999...

Yeah, the whole Ed Hunter game thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 16, 2022, 08:00:09 PM
Adrian played Stranger in a Strange Land with his band Psycho Motel in the mid 90's, and it sounded great. Too bad there are no videos of it on YouTube anymore.

Actually, the two Psycho Motel albums have aged quite well, especially the second one. I wish Adrian did a low-key type of tour with this band, like Steve did with British Lion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 17, 2022, 12:36:59 AM
I pick that song often lately when going through this new little Maiden binge. Definitely one of my favorites.

Interestingly, I find that of the five 80s albums with Dickinson, Piece of Mind is the one I rarely go to for anything lately.  Good album for sure, but it just feels like the others are better.  Of course, I said that about Seventh Son a week or two ago :lol, so my mind is ever-changing with this stuff lately, but it just feels like it's the least best of the bunch...right now.

My two favorite 80s albums are Seventh Son and Piece of Mind! To me, it's hard to beat the run of the first five tracks of PoM, especially the opening trio.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2022, 06:27:07 AM

Kev, you might have done this a few pages back when you did the run, but I'm lazy  ;) What's your ranking of Maiden's 80s albums? Curious to see your perspective from having (re?)discovered them recently...

This seems to change every week, but I'd go with this for now:

1a Powerslave
1b Somewhere in Time
3 The Number of the Beast
4 Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
5 Iron Maiden
6 Piece of Mind
7 Killers

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 17, 2022, 06:30:48 AM
I'd go...

The Number Of The Beast
Seventh Son
Piece Of Mind
Killers
Powerslave
Somewhere In Time
Iron Maiden
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 17, 2022, 06:35:23 AM
I go with:

The Number of the Beast
Somewhere in Time
Seventh Son
Powerslave
Piece of Mind
Killers
Iron Maiden

But they are all great, really  :)

EDIT: Switched Powerslave and Piece of Mind...again, it could go either way
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2022, 06:36:26 AM
Somewhere in Time would be my number 1 if track 7 was as strong as the rest. Deja Vu is not a bad song, but merely solid. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on April 17, 2022, 06:39:48 AM
This is really difficult for me but I'd have to say:

Seventh Son
Powerslave
Somewhere in Time
Piece of Mind (it has my favorite Maiden song of all time)
Killers
The Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden

But they are all great, really  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 17, 2022, 06:41:13 AM
I really like Deja Vu...the one song I like but don't love on Somewhere in Time is Heaven Can Wait (although it's always a fun listen...)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 17, 2022, 06:43:21 AM

Piece of Mind (it has my favorite Maiden song of all time)


Which is?




I really like Deja Vu...the one song I like but don't love on Somewhere in Time is Heaven Can Wait (although it's always a fun listen...)

I was never a huge fan of HCW, but I love it now. It might be their best aged song for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 17, 2022, 07:06:05 AM
Piece Of Mind
The Number Of The Beast
Powerslave
Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
Somewhere In Time
Killers
Iron Maiden
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on April 17, 2022, 07:49:02 AM
For me the top3 stay the same but the order can rotate;

1. Powerslave
2. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
3. Somewhere in Time
4. The Number of the Beast
5. Piece of Mind
6. Killers
7. Iron Maiden
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 17, 2022, 01:26:58 PM
1. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
2. Piece of Mind
3. Somewhere in Time

4. The Number of the Beast
5. Powerslave

6. Iron Maiden
7. Killers

SSOASS is pristine and PoM has so many very high points that QFF doesn't matter much. SiT has a few songs that I don't like as well, but nothing outright bad, and the highs are really high. TNotB is consistent (Gangland aside) but not at as high a level as the top three. Tracks 3-5 on Powerslave just really drag that album down for me, but the obvious four are great. I might rank the album higher as a whole in a world where Live After Death didn't exist, but because it does, I almost never listen to the Powerslave album.

I'm not much one for the Di'Anno era. It's good music, but it's not what draws me to Iron Maiden. Those two albums default to third and fourth to last place overall, with NPFTD and FotD in the last two spots. I put the debut above Killers because Phantom of the Opera and Remember Tomorrow are far and away the best songs of the Di'Anno era, to the extent that I would take those two songs by themselves above the other 17.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 17, 2022, 01:32:24 PM
I can't do it!

Killers is my desert island Maiden album. And IM and PoM would be at bottom and next to bottom, respectively.

But I love em all!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2022, 01:50:21 PM
I take it we’re doing just the 80s?

The Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden
Piece of Mind
Powerslave
SSOASS
Killers
Somewhere in Time
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 17, 2022, 03:54:59 PM
For me the top3 stay the same but the order can rotate;

1. Powerslave
2. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
3. Somewhere in Time
4. The Number of the Beast
5. Piece of Mind
6. Killers
7. Iron Maiden

Swap SIT and 7th Son and that's probably mine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 17, 2022, 04:39:44 PM
Ranking the first 7 Iron Maiden albums is like splitting hairs to me. All 7 are without a doubt some of my favourite albums of all time and just mean so much to me and my musical journey.

However to put in order I think I would go with:

Number of the Beast
Somewhere in Time
Piece of Mind
Seventh Son
Powerslave
Killers
Iron Maiden
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 17, 2022, 05:53:12 PM
Seventh Son
Somewhere In Time
Piece Of Mind
Powerslave
Number
Killers
Maiden

I think a lot of these lists certainly my own are steered by where/when it all started for us.  I mean Number is a classic yet there it is🤷 😉
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2022, 07:23:54 PM
The first two albums remind me a little of Priest's first two albums in that they seemed more hard rock than metal, and then the 3rd album is when the metal was ramped up a bit.  Of course, quite a bit of the early Maiden material (thinking the first five albums) seems right out of the Priest playbook, from the soloing at times to the way Dickinson sings certain lines, so the parallels are easy to detect, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on April 17, 2022, 08:30:21 PM
Iron Maiden

Very little separation between #s 2-5
Number of the Beast
Piece Of Mind
Killers
Powerslave

Seventh Son
Somewhere In Time
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on April 18, 2022, 12:36:32 AM
1. Somewhere in Time
2. Seventh Son

These two will always be top2, the rest change places with each other from time to time. Right now I'm thinking:

3. Piece of Mind
4. Powerslave
5. The Number of the Beast
6. Iron Maiden
7. Killers
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on April 18, 2022, 01:11:31 AM
1. Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
2. Somewhere In Time
3. Powerslave
4. Piece Of Mind
5. The Number Of The Beast
6. Killers
7. Iron Maiden

I wrote my Top 7 and afterwards I realised that they are in backwards chronological order, so it must mean that they got better with each album :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Polarbear on April 18, 2022, 02:27:23 AM
1. Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
2. Somewhere In Time
3. Powerslave
4. Piece Of Mind
5. The Number Of The Beast
6. Killers
7. Iron Maiden

I wrote my Top 7 and afterwards I realised that they are in backwards chronological order, so it must mean that they got better with each album :P

This would also be my list, only with PoM and Beast changing places!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 18, 2022, 03:39:42 AM
1. Somewhere in time
2. Seventh son of a seventh son
3. Powerslave
4. Piece of mind
5. The Number of the beast
6. Iron Maiden
7. Killers
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 18, 2022, 03:46:05 AM
1. Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
2. Somewhere In Time
3. Powerslave
4. Piece Of Mind
5. The Number Of The Beast
6. Killers
7. Iron Maiden

I wrote my Top 7 and afterwards I realised that they are in backwards chronological order, so it must mean that they got better with each album :P

This would also be my list, only with PoM and Beast changing places!

This WAS my list only with PS and POM switched  ;D :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 18, 2022, 11:54:41 AM
OK...I'll play...

1. Piece of Mind
2. Powerslave
3. The Number of the Beast
4. Somewhere in Time
5. Iron Maiden
6. Killers
7. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

The margins between 4-6 are paper thin, and I often flip-flop about which of the Di'Anno albums I like more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 18, 2022, 03:01:53 PM
1. Powerslave
2. Somewhere in Time
3. The Number of the Beast
4. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
5. Piece of Mind
6. Killers
7. Iron Maiden
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on April 18, 2022, 03:07:23 PM
1. Somewhere in time
2. Seventh son of a seventh son
3. Powerslave
4. Piece of mind
5. The Number of the beast
6. Iron Maiden
7. Killers

This.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 18, 2022, 03:30:45 PM
Powerslave
Somewhere in Time
Seventh Son
Number Of The Beast
Killers
Piece of Mind
Iron Maiden

BUT ... if forced to choose, Killers is the one I'd have on a desert island.

Also, the top three are nearly impossible to order.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 18, 2022, 04:00:44 PM
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/iron-maiden-top-5-desert-island-albums/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 18, 2022, 05:28:09 PM
Adrian played Stranger in a Strange Land with his band Psycho Motel in the mid 90's, and it sounded great. Too bad there are no videos of it on YouTube anymore.

Actually, the two Psycho Motel albums have aged quite well, especially the second one. I wish Adrian did a low-key type of tour with this band, like Steve did with British Lion.

Big fan of the Psycho Motel records.  I agree with you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 18, 2022, 05:29:56 PM
1. Powerslave
2. Killers
3. Piece of Mind
4. The Number of the Beast
5. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
6. Somewhere in Time
7. Iron Maiden


Any list where "Somewhere In Time" is 6 and "Iron Maiden" is 7 is one HELL of a list.  I love both of those records.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 18, 2022, 06:14:59 PM
So, while we eagerly await a Maiden song countdown that might come down the road, here is a ranking of Maiden's 80s album as compiled by the fine fans of DTF (based on the entries so far, 21 total), since, um, nobody asked  :biggrin:

1. Powerslave
2. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
3. Somewhere in Time
4. The Number of the Beast
5. Piece of Mind
6. Killers
7. Iron Maiden

Powerslave also leads the #1 rankings (5), while both Number and Seventh Son have 4. Somewhere in Time only has 3 #1s, but it's ranked high pretty consistently. The top 3 is relatively clear-cut (and close!), with a bit of a drop-off for #4 and then #5...Killers and Iron Maiden follow significantly behind. I'm perhaps a little surprised Number is not in the "consensus" top 3.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2022, 06:20:33 PM
I have never understood what people see in Powerslave. For a band that sounds so damn original on all of their albums, Powerslave is so formulaic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 18, 2022, 06:23:02 PM
I have never understood what people see in Powerslave. For a band that sounds so damn original on all of their albums, Powerslave is so formulaic.

IDK…wasn’t ROTAM the first of its kind in metal? I was a teenager headbanger back when this came out and by my recollection, everyone was going nuts because no one had ever heard of a 13 minute metal song before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2022, 06:24:29 PM
I have never understood what people see in Powerslave. For a band that sounds so damn original on all of their albums, Powerslave is so formulaic.

IDK…wasn’t ROTAM the first of its kind in metal? I was a teenager headbanger back when this came out and by my recollection, everyone was going nuts because no one had ever heard of a 13 minute metal song before.

Yeah, I guess, although they already had To Tame A Land. I was kind of put off at the time because in the press, they talked about how long it was, like they were so proud of it for being long for long's sake.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 18, 2022, 06:37:10 PM
For what it's worth - and purely from anecdotal evidence (read: friends and discussion groups) - growing up in Europe there was this impression that Powerslave was much more loved in the US than elsewhere. I mean, of course it's generally considered "classic" Maiden everywhere (with plenty of "classic" songs in it to back this up), but the feeling was this is the album that made Maiden huge in North America, so perhaps there's special appreciation correlated with that? Where I was, The Number of the Beast and Piece of Mind would instead almost invariably rank higher whenever I asked...

Can you guys confirm this? Do I even have the "facts" right?  ;D (meaning: Powerslave was the album that truly broke Maiden big in the US?)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2022, 06:48:55 PM
For what it's worth - and purely from anecdotal evidence (read: friends and discussion groups) - growing up in Europe there was this impression that Powerslave was much more loved in the US than elsewhere. I mean, of course it's generally considered "classic" Maiden everywhere (with plenty of "classic" songs in it to back this up), but the feeling was this is the album that made Maiden huge in North America, so perhaps there's special appreciation correlated with that? Where I was, The Number of the Beast and Piece of Mind would instead almost invariably rank higher whenever I asked...

Can you guys confirm this? Do I even have the "facts" right?  ;D (meaning: Powerslave was the album that truly broke Maiden big in the US?)


I think the album that "broke" Iron Maiden in the US was The Number Of The Beast. They were in heavy rotation on MTV with Run To The Hills. They had a great opening slot on Judas Priest's Screaming For Vengeance tour, another album that was huge.

Their first headline tour was with Piece Of Mind. The singles did pretty well, Flight Of Icarus first and then The Trooper. In 1983-1985, heavy metal/hard rock really started to become mainstream, and by that, these bands did well enough to support arena tours.

Powerslave featured the lead single Two Minutes To Midnight, which had decent rotation on MTV. They toured everywhere in the US. With their Eddie logo, and MTV support (don't believe any bullshit Bruce Dickinson tells you) the kids flocked to them. While Maiden didn't have radio support, MTV played them a ton.

In my opinion, it was the Live After Death album and video that was way more impactful than the Powerslave album. They were really the first of the hard rock/heavy metal bands of that era to do the "double live" album, the likes of which were so popular in the 70's. The video was shown on MTV, and I think that was the thing that really catapulted them. But again, bands like this were extremely popular, to the point where in another year or so, rock, with Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Def Leppard ruled the charts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 18, 2022, 08:32:28 PM
I think TAC is close. But I don’t think it was the LAD album…it was the Powerslave tour. That was literally “the greatest show on earth” and I think the hype had been building ever since NOTB, and just happened to hit a fever pitch when PS was released. That, combined with the spectacle of the tour…it was just all “right place right time”
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2022, 08:40:32 PM
I think TAC is close. But I don’t think it was the LAD album…it was the Powerslave tour. That was literally “the greatest show on earth” and I think the hype had been building ever since NOTB, and just happened to hit a fever pitch when PS was released. That, combined with the spectacle of the tour…it was just all “right place right time”

Right, but I think we're saying a similar thing. The tour played everywhere, multiple legs. It had a cool stage show and I think people gravitated to the Egyptian motif, even though Dio toured with one a few months earlier. You say the tour..sure, but it was captured with the great live album/video.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 18, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
For what it's worth - and purely from anecdotal evidence (read: friends and discussion groups) - growing up in Europe there was this impression that Powerslave was much more loved in the US than elsewhere. I mean, of course it's generally considered "classic" Maiden everywhere (with plenty of "classic" songs in it to back this up), but the feeling was this is the album that made Maiden huge in North America, so perhaps there's special appreciation correlated with that? Where I was, The Number of the Beast and Piece of Mind would instead almost invariably rank higher whenever I asked...

Can you guys confirm this? Do I even have the "facts" right?  ;D (meaning: Powerslave was the album that truly broke Maiden big in the US?)


I think the album that "broke" Iron Maiden in the US was The Number Of The Beast. They were in heavy rotation on MTV with Run To The Hills. They had a great opening slot on Judas Priest's Screaming For Vengeance tour, another album that was huge.

Their first headline tour was with Piece Of Mind. The singles did pretty well, Flight Of Icarus first and then The Trooper. In 1983-1985, heavy metal/hard rock really started to become mainstream, and by that, these bands did well enough to support arena tours.

Powerslave featured the lead single Two Minutes To Midnight, which had decent rotation on MTV. They toured everywhere in the US. With their Eddie logo, and MTV support (don't believe any bullshit Bruce Dickinson tells you) the kids flocked to them. While Maiden didn't have radio support, MTV played them a ton.

In my opinion, it was the Live After Death album and video that was way more impactful than the Powerslave album. They were really the first of the hard rock/heavy metal bands of that era to do the "double live" album, the likes of which were so popular in the 70's. The video was shown on MTV, and I think that was the thing that really catapulted them. But again, bands like this were extremely popular, to the point where in another year or so, rock, with Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Def Leppard ruled the charts.

Don't believe Brice regards they got no MTV or Radio play or something else?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 18, 2022, 10:37:22 PM
I think TAC is close. But I don’t think it was the LAD album…it was the Powerslave tour. That was literally “the greatest show on earth” and I think the hype had been building ever since NOTB, and just happened to hit a fever pitch when PS was released. That, combined with the spectacle of the tour…it was just all “right place right time”

Right, but I think we're saying a similar thing. The tour played everywhere, multiple legs. It had a cool stage show and I think people gravitated to the Egyptian motif, even though Dio toured with one a few months earlier. You say the tour..sure, but it was captured with the great live album/video.

This makes a lot of sense to me. As a fan who was not alive when these albums came out, I really don't view Powerslave as this special album (see: me putting it in 5th upthread). I attribute that mainly to not being too fond of the middle of the record, although I'd also generally agree with the idea that it's more formulaic, Rime excepted. But I do think Live After Death is really special, even in the modern context. It's just such a good show, a setlist that features almost all the best songs of their first five albums, and the energy is palpable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 18, 2022, 11:53:09 PM
I’m only saying that Live After Death was not the watershed moment that brought them to the masses. It was a postcard back to the fans after that had already happened.

And I suppose now that I think about what I posted earlier, I think you could make a strong case that Powerslave was the absolute peak of their popularity in the US. The buzz had been gaining steam for 2 albums (NOTB and POM) and by the time Powerslave was getting ready to be released, anticipation (stateside) had never been higher.

And to the MTV point: I’ve heard that Bruce sometimes claims that they did it without MTV support and that is pure balderdash.  The NOTB and POM video did receive some regular airplay, but 2MTM was the first time that MTV actually advertised the world premiere of the new Iron Maiden single. They ran commercials to say exactly when they were doing it. They actually made an “event” out of the premier of that video. So ya, it was a much bigger deal than the videos that came before it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 19, 2022, 12:09:06 AM
I have never understood what people see in Powerslave. For a band that sounds so damn original on all of their albums, Powerslave is so formulaic.

Interesting. From my perspective, Aces High, Back In The Village, Powerslave and ROTAM stick out and sound different from anything else they'd done at that point. I'm not sure of the formula you're feeling there.

I'm not a fan of 2MTM, mind, and it sticks out as not very Maiden to me.

My wife always jokes that all Maiden sounds the same, anyway. There is a LOT of E minor C-D-E across their catalogue. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 19, 2022, 12:14:34 AM

And to the MTV point: I’ve heard that Bruce sometimes claims that they did it without MTV support and that is pure balderdash.  The NOTB and POM video did receive some regular airplay, but 2MTM was the first time that MTV actually advertised the world premiere of the new Iron Maiden single. They ran commercials to say exactly when they were doing it. They actually made an “event” out of the premier of that video. So ya, it was a much bigger deal than the videos that came before it.

Cheers 👍
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 19, 2022, 12:17:58 AM
I have never understood what people see in Powerslave. For a band that sounds so damn original on all of their albums, Powerslave is so formulaic.

Interesting. From my perspective, Aces High, Back In The Village, Powerslave and ROTAM stick out and sound different from anything else they'd done at that point. I'm not sure of the formula you're feeling there.

I'm not a fan of 2MTM, mind, and it sticks out as not very Maiden to me.

My wife always jokes that all Maiden sounds the same, anyway. There is a LOT of E minor C-D-E across their catalogue. :lol

My brain had an error 404 cascade failure trying to comprehend this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 19, 2022, 06:20:37 AM
Thank you Tim and Jammindude for the historical "tidbits"...it's always cool to hear what was actually happening then...

It would be interesting to have a mega-poll of fans in the US and in Europe and see whether/how the rankings systematically differ. Here it would be too small a sample  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on April 19, 2022, 06:22:21 AM

Piece of Mind (it has my favorite Maiden song of all time)


Which is?



Still Life
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on April 19, 2022, 06:31:53 AM
Also, from my perspective, Wrathchild from Killers is where it all got started in the states. That song was VERY popular on rock radio. But yes, Run to the Hills catapulted them to metal god status. Powerslave was their peak in popularity. IMO

Oh, and there is nothing more formulaic about Powerslave the album than any other Maiden album. They had their formula, and they stuck with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 19, 2022, 06:51:39 AM
The first two albums remind me a little of Priest's first two albums in that they seemed more hard rock than metal, and then the 3rd album is when the metal was ramped up a bit.  Of course, quite a bit of the early Maiden material (thinking the first five albums) seems right out of the Priest playbook, from the soloing at times to the way Dickinson sings certain lines, so the parallels are easy to detect, IMO.

Thinking about this; it's one of the drawbacks of having a bass player be your main songwriter (at the time), the riffs are often lacking. Adrian is BY FAR the best riff-writer in Maiden and often his are the only heavy ones, Davey never writes anything heavy and both he and Yanick often just have these fruity single note harmony lines as "riffs".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2022, 07:38:37 AM
I have never understood what people see in Powerslave. For a band that sounds so damn original on all of their albums, Powerslave is so formulaic.

Side two, man.  Side two.  I know I like Back In The Village more than most, but that's probably my favorite Maiden album side (though the version of Number with Total Eclipse instead of Gangland is right there, too).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2022, 07:48:32 AM
I think TAC is close. But I don’t think it was the LAD album…it was the Powerslave tour. That was literally “the greatest show on earth” and I think the hype had been building ever since NOTB, and just happened to hit a fever pitch when PS was released. That, combined with the spectacle of the tour…it was just all “right place right time”

Right, but I think we're saying a similar thing. The tour played everywhere, multiple legs. It had a cool stage show and I think people gravitated to the Egyptian motif, even though Dio toured with one a few months earlier. You say the tour..sure, but it was captured with the great live album/video.

This makes a lot of sense to me. As a fan who was not alive when these albums came out, I really don't view Powerslave as this special album (see: me putting it in 5th upthread). I attribute that mainly to not being too fond of the middle of the record, although I'd also generally agree with the idea that it's more formulaic, Rime excepted. But I do think Live After Death is really special, even in the modern context. It's just such a good show, a setlist that features almost all the best songs of their first five albums, and the energy is palpable.

I was there; I got into Maiden with Number, saw them open for Priest, but the entire package of "Powerslave" (with it's epic cover, which I sort of remember having a sort of textured cover, not the flat cardboard you'd get from the bargain releases), the epic tour (they went through 145,678 guitar picks!) and the live album/video (the video of which was different than the record!).  It was all on a scale that I had not seen before.   Everything else - at the time - was 45 minute record, tour, MAYBE a double live LP (Kiss, MSG, Scorps, Sabbath) but nothing on the scale of what Maiden did.  It's hard to put into context, because now, 37 years later, I can point to other examples of everything there, but it just felt so new and different then. 

I'm going to add something to it too:  Bruce.  There wasn't anyone really like him.  Ozzy was already turning into a clown. Dio was way too serious (for me). Joe Lynn Turner, Gary Barden, Joe Elliott, weren't in Bruce's league on any level.  Even Halford wasn't that kind of front man. He could SING, but he didn't stand out like Bruce did.  Bruce grabbed you by the front of your shirt and made you pay attention in a way that the other singers at the time didn't (at least for me).

It was, for me, a lot like Van Halen, in that you had to sort of be there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2022, 07:55:46 AM
The thing is, plenty of people that weren't there rate Powerslave very highly.

To me, there's something too "straightforward" about the album. Other than a very long song, it feels...ordinary to me. Yes, I love the title track now, but back then, I thought the middle section felt a little forced.

That said, it's an album that has aged fairly well for me, mostly due to its sound, but it's still not an upper echelon Maiden album for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2022, 08:03:04 AM
Why do you think Back In The Village is so unloved?  I think that opening riff is just SICK, and there isn't much like it in the catalogue, but no one seems to rate it like I do.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2022, 08:04:41 AM
Why do you think Back In The Village is so unloved?  I think that opening riff is just SICK, and there isn't much like it in the catalogue, but no one seems to rate it like I do.

Oddly, when I got the album, Back In The Village was my favorite song at the time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2022, 08:06:59 AM
Why do you think Back In The Village is so unloved?  I think that opening riff is just SICK, and there isn't much like it in the catalogue, but no one seems to rate it like I do.

I think the chorus sucks.  The good riffage can't save it IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 19, 2022, 08:19:05 AM
Why do you think Back In The Village is so unloved?  I think that opening riff is just SICK, and there isn't much like it in the catalogue, but no one seems to rate it like I do.

I love the whole song. Yes, the chorus is repetitive but Bruce sounds kinda maniacal on it.

I have never understood what people see in Powerslave. For a band that sounds so damn original on all of their albums, Powerslave is so formulaic.

Interesting. From my perspective, Aces High, Back In The Village, Powerslave and ROTAM stick out and sound different from anything else they'd done at that point. I'm not sure of the formula you're feeling there.

I'm not a fan of 2MTM, mind, and it sticks out as not very Maiden to me.

My wife always jokes that all Maiden sounds the same, anyway. There is a LOT of E minor C-D-E across their catalogue. :lol

My brain had an error 404 cascade failure trying to comprehend this.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 19, 2022, 08:43:13 AM
The thing is, plenty of people that weren't there rate Powerslave very highly.

To me, there's something too "straightforward" about the album. Other than a very long song, it feels...ordinary to me. Yes, I love the title track now, but back then, I thought the middle section felt a little forced.

That said, it's an album that has aged fairly well for me, mostly due to its sound, but it's still not an upper echelon Maiden album for me.

Like many bands in those days, they were on a relentless record-tour-record-tour cycle that was burning them out which I think explains some of the recycled riffs and ideas. But I was there too and I remember the hype about the album and specifically ROTAM. I don't recall it being better received than the 2 previous albums but it was definitely the one that made them a worldwide sensation.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 19, 2022, 08:48:04 AM
Why do you think Back In The Village is so unloved?  I think that opening riff is just SICK, and there isn't much like it in the catalogue, but no one seems to rate it like I do.

I think it's a very good song. When I criticize the middle of Powerslave, I do not include this one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on April 19, 2022, 09:19:40 AM
Are the middle songs in Powerslave that weak, or are the 4 bookend songs just that good?  Personally I think the 4 weaker tracks are better than the lesser material on Beast and Mind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 19, 2022, 10:18:24 AM
In my opinion, tracks 3-5 on Powerslave are stronger than Gangland and Quest for Fire, but that's it. A big part of why I put Piece of Mind so high is that it's at least seven songs deep, and I would be inclined to add on Sun and Steel and make it eight, while Powerslave is just five songs deep.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 19, 2022, 10:56:27 AM
In my opinion, tracks 3-5 on Powerslave are stronger than Gangland and Quest for Fire, but that's it. A big part of why I put Piece of Mind so high is that it's at least seven songs deep, and I would be inclined to add on Sun and Steel and make it eight, while Powerslave is just five songs deep.

Now…total up the actual minutes of good music on each album and what do you come up with then? (I’m a nerd)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 19, 2022, 11:27:21 AM
It depends on how exacting "good" is. I don't think that there are any outright bad songs on those albums, but if we set the bar at "songs that I would go out of my way to listen to..."

I would put everything but QFF from PoM on there, so that's 42 minutes.

I would put tracks 1, 2, 6, 7 and 8 from PS on there, so that's 37 minutes. I could be talked into putting Flash of the Blade on there, too, which would bump it up to 41.

But I think the percentage also matters. 42/46 is a lot better by my lights than 41/51.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 19, 2022, 11:49:58 AM
In my opinion, tracks 3-5 on Powerslave are stronger than Gangland and Quest for Fire, but that's it. A big part of why I put Piece of Mind so high is that it's at least seven songs deep, and I would be inclined to add on Sun and Steel and make it eight, while Powerslave is just five songs deep.

Now…total up the actual minutes of good music on each album and what do you come up with then? (I’m a nerd)

The only song on any of TNOTB, POM or Powerslave that I skip is Village.  Of the 25 songs on those three albums, there really isn't a BAD track.  As for the five songs mentioned, I'd say Duelists is the best, then Quest, Losfer, Flash and Gangland, but the four other than Duelists are probably interchangeable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2022, 07:29:31 PM
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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 19, 2022, 07:49:17 PM
In my opinion, tracks 3-5 on Powerslave are stronger than Gangland and Quest for Fire, but that's it. A big part of why I put Piece of Mind so high is that it's at least seven songs deep, and I would be inclined to add on Sun and Steel and make it eight, while Powerslave is just five songs deep.

Now…total up the actual minutes of good music on each album and what do you come up with then? (I’m a nerd)

The only song on any of TNOTB, POM or Powerslave that I skip is Village.  Of the 25 songs on those three albums, there really isn't a BAD track.  As for the five songs mentioned, I'd say Duelists is the best, then Quest, Losfer, Flash and Gangland, but the four other than Duelists are probably interchangeable.

To me, the weakest track by far out of TNOTB, POM and Powerslave is Sun and Steel. I've always loved Back in the Village. Quest for Fire doesn't get a lot of love but it has a great instrumental section and overall vibe. I'm not a huge fan of Losfer Words, it would be the weakest track on Powerslave by a fair margin for me. Flash and The Duellists and Gangland I have also always loved.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2022, 07:52:24 PM
Gamgland is all kinds of awesome and I have no idea why it gets the hate it does.

As much as I love The Duellists, and I do, it's really the extended instrumental part that makes the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 19, 2022, 07:59:54 PM
I was really hoping that Kev’s next attempt at a top 100 thread was going to be Iron Maiden. That would be freaking epic!

Kev, are going to do IM once VH is done?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2022, 08:02:17 PM
I was really hoping that Kev’s next attempt at a top 100 thread was going to be Iron Maiden. That would be freaking epic!

Kev, are going to do IM once VH is done?

Deadeye is going to run it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2022, 08:05:43 PM
Unless I do a swerve and swipe it back (which I am considering :P).  Given the Maiden kick I have been on lately, I am kind of anxious to get VH over and to move on to IM.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 19, 2022, 08:08:55 PM
Yes, a Maiden countdown is going to pretty epic. Should get a fair few onboard as well. Has to be Top 100 (might get Gangland in there then! haha!)


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2022, 08:09:58 PM
Likely would be 75, as not sure I can justify doing 100 for Maiden after doing only 75 for Rush, but we shall see.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 19, 2022, 09:19:11 PM
Why do you think Back In The Village is so unloved?  I think that opening riff is just SICK, and there isn't much like it in the catalogue, but no one seems to rate it like I do.

Yeah dunno, it fucking rips.  Adrian's riffing on this one is sublime.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 19, 2022, 09:20:01 PM
Unless I do a swerve and swipe it back (which I am considering :P).  Given the Maiden kick I have been on lately, I am kind of anxious to get VH over and to move on to IM.  :metal :metal

You can just cancel the VH one and start right away on the Maiden one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 19, 2022, 09:20:49 PM
Likely would be 75, as not sure I can justify doing 100 for Maiden after doing only 75 for Rush, but we shall see.  :biggrin:

I'd be in for 100 but whatever the consensus says is fine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 19, 2022, 09:21:39 PM
I was really hoping that Kev’s next attempt at a top 100 thread was going to be Iron Maiden. That would be freaking epic!

Kev, are going to do IM once VH is done?

Deadeye is going to run it.

And do all of our individual lists too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 19, 2022, 09:25:31 PM
I love Back in the Village. But do wish the chorus was a bit better.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 19, 2022, 11:03:07 PM
Likely would be 75, as not sure I can justify doing 100 for Maiden after doing only 75 for Rush, but we shall see.  :biggrin:

I'd be in for 100 but whatever the consensus says is fine.

I really think it should be 100. Their discography is so large and there are so many great songs in there. Seriously, as someone who did a Maiden list a couple of years ago, you'll be surprised at what songs end up in your 30s and 40s that you thought for sure were top 25. For DT we did 100 when the band has ~150 songs; I say Maiden deserves 100 when they have >170 songs.

(For the record, I thought Rush should also have been 100, even though I didn't participate in that one... I do keep meaning to keep listening through that list.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on April 19, 2022, 11:04:17 PM
Unless I do a swerve and swipe it back (which I am considering :P).  Given the Maiden kick I have been on lately, I am kind of anxious to get VH over and to move on to IM.  :metal :metal

You can just cancel the VH one and start right away on the Maiden one.

Yeah... virtually no-one outside the US cares about Van Halen, anyway ;) :biggrin:

Top 100 for Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on April 20, 2022, 12:07:21 AM
Unless I do a swerve and swipe it back (which I am considering :P).  Given the Maiden kick I have been on lately, I am kind of anxious to get VH over and to move on to IM.  :metal :metal

You can just cancel the VH one and start right away on the Maiden one.

Yeah... virtually no-one outside the US cares about Van Halen, anyway ;) :biggrin:

Finally, vindication :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 20, 2022, 07:31:45 AM
I think if anyone wants to get the picture of what Maiden live is all about, it would be hard to top The Clansman from the Rock in Rio DVD. Just watched it and everyone is dialed up to 11, just the quintessence of what they are all about on stage.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 20, 2022, 07:47:00 AM
I agree, that's one fine representation of the band.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 20, 2022, 10:52:51 AM
In my opinion, tracks 3-5 on Powerslave are stronger than Gangland and Quest for Fire, but that's it. A big part of why I put Piece of Mind so high is that it's at least seven songs deep, and I would be inclined to add on Sun and Steel and make it eight, while Powerslave is just five songs deep.

Now…total up the actual minutes of good music on each album and what do you come up with then? (I’m a nerd)

The only song on any of TNOTB, POM or Powerslave that I skip is Village.  Of the 25 songs on those three albums, there really isn't a BAD track.  As for the five songs mentioned, I'd say Duelists is the best, then Quest, Losfer, Flash and Gangland, but the four other than Duelists are probably interchangeable.

To me, the weakest track by far out of TNOTB, POM and Powerslave is Sun and Steel. I've always loved Back in the Village. Quest for Fire doesn't get a lot of love but it has a great instrumental section and overall vibe. I'm not a huge fan of Losfer Words, it would be the weakest track on Powerslave by a fair margin for me. Flash and The Duellists and Gangland I have also always loved.

I really dig Sun and Steel.  The guitar solo is EXCELLENT (anyone know if it's Dave or Adrian?).


Gamgland is all kinds of awesome and I have no idea why it gets the hate it does.

As much as I love The Duellists, and I do, it's really the extended instrumental part that makes the song.

I agree about Gangland.  I think most people have it last on Number, but being the "worst" song on an album like that isn't a terrible thing.  I rank it higher than Children and Hills.  I also like Quest for Fire.  The only song on POM that I find kinda "meh" is Still Life (but, again, being last on an album like that...).


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Looking forward to a Maiden countdown (esp. since I'm not participating in the VH countdown).  It'll give me a good reason to become better acquainted with the reunion era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on April 20, 2022, 11:02:52 AM
The only meh song for me on POM is Die With Your Boots On. It's probably my least favorite song of their entire 80s output. Horrible chorus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 20, 2022, 01:02:02 PM
Gangland is all kinds of awesome and I have no idea why it gets the hate it does.


I agree about Gangland.  I think most people have it last on Number, but being the "worst" song on an album like that isn't a terrible thing.  I rank it higher than Children and Hills.

The worst song on TNOTB IMO is Invaders, by a large margin.
Children Of The Damned is Top 10 material for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2022, 01:20:12 PM
How about this ranking, 5 least favorite songs (top is least favorite) from TNOTB, POM, Powerslave, SiT, and SSOASS:

Back in the Village
Quest for Fire
Gangland
Invaders
Die With Your Boots On
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 20, 2022, 01:25:57 PM
Invaders
The Lonliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Losfer Words
Flash Of The Blade
Sea Of Madness
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 20, 2022, 01:31:49 PM
In my opinion, tracks 3-5 on Powerslave are stronger than Gangland and Quest for Fire, but that's it. A big part of why I put Piece of Mind so high is that it's at least seven songs deep, and I would be inclined to add on Sun and Steel and make it eight, while Powerslave is just five songs deep.

Now…total up the actual minutes of good music on each album and what do you come up with then? (I’m a nerd)

The only song on any of TNOTB, POM or Powerslave that I skip is Village.  Of the 25 songs on those three albums, there really isn't a BAD track.  As for the five songs mentioned, I'd say Duelists is the best, then Quest, Losfer, Flash and Gangland, but the four other than Duelists are probably interchangeable.

To me, the weakest track by far out of TNOTB, POM and Powerslave is Sun and Steel. I've always loved Back in the Village. Quest for Fire doesn't get a lot of love but it has a great instrumental section and overall vibe. I'm not a huge fan of Losfer Words, it would be the weakest track on Powerslave by a fair margin for me. Flash and The Duellists and Gangland I have also always loved.

I really dig Sun and Steel.  The guitar solo is EXCELLENT (anyone know if it's Dave or Adrian?).

According to Iron Maiden Commentary, the first part, at 1:52, is a unison, and from 2:14 and on, it's Dave.


The only meh song for me on POM is Die With Your Boots On. It's probably my least favorite song of their entire 80s output. Horrible chorus.

I love Die With Your Boots On. Great chorus.


How about this ranking, 5 least favorite songs (top is least favorite) from TNOTB, POM, Powerslave, SiT, and SSOASS:

Back in the Village
Quest for Fire
Gangland
Invaders
Die With Your Boots On

Starting with the worst:

Gangland
Quest for Fire
Losfer Words
The Duelists
Deja Vu

I think Invaders gets more hate than it deserves. It's still in my bottom ten for this period, but I always enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2022, 01:33:47 PM
This could change when I finally rank them, but off the top of my head:

Deja Vu
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
Die With Your Boots On
Gangland
Alexander the Great (I know I’m going to get flamed for this one…but it honestly never did a thing for me)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2022, 01:42:16 PM
I kind of enjoy Losfer Words but being an instrumental, I can see why it ends up on such a list. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on April 20, 2022, 01:53:49 PM
Quest for Fire
Gangland.
Invaders.
22 Acacia Avenue.
The Prophecy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 20, 2022, 02:53:30 PM
Good idea.

Deja vu
Only the good die young
Losfer words
Gangland
Quest for fire
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 20, 2022, 03:31:00 PM
Losfer words
Sun and Steel
The Prophecy
Only the Good Die Young
Quest for Fire
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 20, 2022, 03:45:17 PM
Invaders
The Lonliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Losfer Words
Flash Of The Blade
Sea Of Madness

Wowsers!

Quest for Fire
Gangland.
Invaders.
22 Acacia Avenue.
The Prophecy.

These 3 (including Tim's) are almost top 5 for me haha.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 20, 2022, 04:03:54 PM
According to Iron Maiden Commentary, the first part, at 1:52, is a unison, and from 2:14 and on, it's Dave

Can confirm.  That pentatonic trill at the start combined with a whammy dive bomb gives it away being Dave.  One of the only songs where the writing guitarist didn't play the solo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 20, 2022, 04:04:39 PM
Hah! Yes, 22 Acacia Avenue is Top 10.

Yeah, I knew those SiT tracks would get your attention. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 20, 2022, 04:05:28 PM
Quest for Fire
Die With Your Boots On
Run to the Hills
The Number of the Beast
Heaven Can Wait

Flame me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 20, 2022, 05:15:45 PM
I will flame you for Die With Your Boots On and let you have the others.

Run to the Hills would go in my bottom 10. I think Number of the Beast is a cut above it, but also not among the best songs from this period.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 20, 2022, 05:43:32 PM
Can I Play With Madness
Sun and Steel
Gangland
Die With Your Boots On
Losfer Words
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on April 20, 2022, 05:45:12 PM
How about this ranking, 5 least favorite songs (top is least favorite) from TNOTB, POM, Powerslave, SiT, and SSOASS:

Back in the Village
Quest for Fire
Gangland
Invaders
Die With Your Boots On

I think this exactly mine, but with a slightly different order :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 20, 2022, 06:01:11 PM
The worst song on TNOTB IMO is Invaders, by a large margin.

I love Invaders!  Harris's playing in the verses is just crazy good.


How about this ranking, 5 least favorite songs (top is least favorite) from TNOTB, POM, Powerslave, SiT, and SSOASS:

My bottom 5 from Number through SSOASS:

37. Can I Play with Madness
38. The Prophecy
39. Back in the Village
40. The Clairvoyant
41. Infinite Dreams

I have Sun and Steel and Invaders at 10 and 11.  Ha!


According to Iron Maiden Commentary, the first part, at 1:52, is a unison, and from 2:14 and on, it's Dave

Can confirm.  That pentatonic trill at the start combined with a whammy dive bomb gives it away being Dave.  One of the only songs where the writing guitarist didn't play the solo.

I think the first part is harmony, not unison, and I thought the solo part was Dave.  Kinda similar to his solo on The Trooper.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 20, 2022, 06:19:18 PM
Something tells me that minds will be bent into pretzels once we get the top 75 going...:lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 20, 2022, 06:37:40 PM
According to Iron Maiden Commentary, the first part, at 1:52, is a unison, and from 2:14 and on, it's Dave

Can confirm.  That pentatonic trill at the start combined with a whammy dive bomb gives it away being Dave.  One of the only songs where the writing guitarist didn't play the solo.

I think the first part is harmony, not unison, and I thought the solo part was Dave.  Kinda similar to his solo on The Trooper.

Could very well be, I did not listen back to the song, and the Commentary just said "both."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 20, 2022, 06:49:36 PM
'Both' makes more sense.

Pretty much every instance in early Maiden it's a harmony, never unison.  Later Maiden with three guitarists sometimes I think both may play the same but it's very rare.  If it's not a third or fifth harmony, it's one doing one line and the other doing a higher or lower octave.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 20, 2022, 09:32:47 PM


My bottom 5 from Number through SSOASS:

37. Can I Play with Madness
38. The Prophecy
39. Back in the Village
40. The Clairvoyant
41. Infinite Dreams

I have Sun and Steel and Invaders at 10 and 11.  Ha!


Infinite Dreams??? That is crazy talk.

I'll give you Invaders as a top 10/11 song but Sun and Steel? Man, it is going to be on in the Iron Maiden Top 100 countdown. (Yes, still pushing for top 100) :)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 21, 2022, 05:50:52 AM
Gamgland is all kinds of awesome and I have no idea why it gets the hate it does.

As much as I love The Duellists, and I do, it's really the extended instrumental part that makes the song.

Because it replaced Total Eclipse, which is a top 10 Maiden track for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 21, 2022, 05:52:05 AM
Unless I do a swerve and swipe it back (which I am considering :P).  Given the Maiden kick I have been on lately, I am kind of anxious to get VH over and to move on to IM.  :metal :metal

Look, no offense to Deadeye, who I'm sure is capable, but you're GOOD at this.  If you have any inclination, keep it. Like I said, you're GOOD at this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 21, 2022, 05:55:03 AM
Quest for Fire
Die With Your Boots On
Run to the Hills
The Number of the Beast
Heaven Can Wait

Flame me.

Wow.  That and the Van Halen, I don't know.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2022, 05:59:44 AM
Unless I do a swerve and swipe it back (which I am considering :P).  Given the Maiden kick I have been on lately, I am kind of anxious to get VH over and to move on to IM.  :metal :metal

Look, no offense to Deadeye, who I'm sure is capable, but you're GOOD at this.  If you have any inclination, keep it. Like I said, you're GOOD at this.

Haha, thanks!  :biggrin: :biggrin:

To me, when doing the countdown, you have to keep it moving.  As I said before, I got this idea from somewhere else, and one of the guys who ran one got down the last 10 and did like one song every few days which absolutely killed the momentum of it.  By doing a few songs every day, I think it keeps everyone invested in seeing what's next, and I got to a point with the last one where I was always doing the updates around this time every morning, so I know if I were just a participant and not the one running it, every morning would be like, "Ah okay, what's next??"  I try to run it how I would like it to be if I were merely following it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on April 21, 2022, 06:09:24 AM
Die With Your Boots On
The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
The Prophecy
Gangland
The Duellists

These are the only bad/half-decent songs on their respective albums, for me. Too bad each album had to have one "clunker" to stop it from being perfect.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on April 21, 2022, 09:29:23 AM
I'll definitely take part in any Iron Maiden ranking if invited.  I mean I can't take part in the Van Halen one as I'm from the UK and therefore only know 'Jump'  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on April 21, 2022, 10:44:54 AM
I'll definitely take part in any Iron Maiden ranking if invited.  I mean I can't take part in the Van Halen one as I'm from the UK and therefore only know 'Jump'  :biggrin:

See my comment a page or so ago :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 21, 2022, 11:46:43 AM


My bottom 5 from Number through SSOASS:

37. Can I Play with Madness
38. The Prophecy
39. Back in the Village
40. The Clairvoyant
41. Infinite Dreams

I have Sun and Steel and Invaders at 10 and 11.  Ha!


Infinite Dreams??? That is crazy talk.

I'll give you Invaders as a top 10/11 song but Sun and Steel? Man, it is going to be on in the Iron Maiden Top 100 countdown. (Yes, still pushing for top 100) :)

I detailed what I don't like about ID a while back.  I just don't see why people seem to like it so much.  I also don't get why some folks seem not to like Sun and Steel.  It's 3:25 of non-stop badassery.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2022, 11:51:30 AM
Sun and Steel gets a fairly low ranking from me, but it's not bottom because it is just a fun song.  It's catchy too.  It's pretty stupid lyrically, but it reminds me of a lot of power metal I like.  It's just fun metal music.  Also there's an clip from a CKY video of them jousting in shopping carts with the song playing.  I've always kind of just related the music to that, fun but stupid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 21, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Heaven Can Wait
22 Acacia Avenue

Can I Play With Madness
Gangland
Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son

Wow, it really shows the love for the records when you try to find things you don't like on them.

I don't dislike Gangland and there's lots about it i like but its a little awkward somehow so it made my five. But i love the drums and rhythms. And the "once you were glad to be free" vocal section is ace.

22AA is a bit rubbish once it gets past the intro.

PoM isn't my favourite album but I like everything on it so there's nothing from it on it my list. QFF is hilarious. Sun And Steel a fun one also.

The only song in my five that I actually dislike is Heaven Can Wait. We talk about some dodgy Maiden choruses regularly but the repeating descending notes on the word "wait" just make my brain wince. And the woah part is lame, even live. (The chords that change underneath the later part of the woahs are cool, though). Don't like the the tempo or feel either.

CIPWM is a bit awkward and wincy in a number of places, even though it holds a special place in my heart as the single was the first Maiden release that came out when I was already a fan. The harmony vocals don't really belong on a Maiden record, the lyrics barely make sense. The slow Zeppy part is cool, though, and I quite enjoy it.

Seventh Son is fine but unexciting. The verses are fab but the chorus is meh, along with the woah-oooooh parts.

The regular dislike for Invaders is a surprise to me. That opening main riff just after the rat-a-tat intro is amazing! And it's full of gung-ho greatness all the way through. Love it.

Long Distance runner also a top tune, afaic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 21, 2022, 12:53:20 PM
I love how varied the tastes are. Because for me, that riff that starts at the midway point of 22AA might be in my top 5 all time Maiden riffs. I wouldn’t rank the entire song nearly that high, but I absolutely love that particular riff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 21, 2022, 02:29:28 PM
I fully expect to back off from all of these once I start listening for the ranking, but right now off memory:

41.  Quest For Fire
40.  Gangland
39.  Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
38.  To Tame A Land
37.  Losfer Words
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2022, 02:49:49 PM
I love how varied the tastes are. Because for me, that riff that starts at the midway point of 22AA might be in my top 5 all time Maiden riffs. I wouldn’t rank the entire song nearly that high, but I absolutely love that particular riff.

The whole song fucking rips.  Top 10 Maiden song for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2022, 02:52:57 PM
I love how varied the tastes are. Because for me, that riff that starts at the midway point of 22AA might be in my top 5 all time Maiden riffs. I wouldn’t rank the entire song nearly that high, but I absolutely love that particular riff.

The whole song fucking rips.  Top 10 Maiden song for me.

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 21, 2022, 03:11:47 PM
I love how varied the tastes are. Because for me, that riff that starts at the midway point of 22AA might be in my top 5 all time Maiden riffs. I wouldn’t rank the entire song nearly that high, but I absolutely love that particular riff.

Tis a great riff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 21, 2022, 03:18:08 PM
I fully expect to back off from all of these once I start listening for the ranking, but right now off memory:

41.  Quest For Fire
40.  Gangland
39.  Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
38.  To Tame A Land
37.  Losfer Words

 :|
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 21, 2022, 03:19:46 PM
I understand this reaction to Stadler putting To Tame a Land, but I also feel like it loses some credibility when you put Infinite Dreams. :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 21, 2022, 03:34:02 PM
I love how varied the tastes are. Because for me, that riff that starts at the midway point of 22AA might be in my top 5 all time Maiden riffs. I wouldn’t rank the entire song nearly that high, but I absolutely love that particular riff.

Not to derail into top riffs but the one that starts at 4:32 in Hallowed I absolutely love.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 21, 2022, 03:52:19 PM
I understand this reaction to Stadler putting To Tame a Land, but I also feel like it loses some credibility when you put Infinite Dreams. :P

LOL...my top 5 from that group of albums is TTAL, SSOASS, Powerslave, Eagles and Number.  I assume those aren't particularly controversial.


Not to derail into top riffs but the one that starts at 4:32 in Hallowed I absolutely love.

Pretty sure I know exactly what riff that is...nope...I was wrong.  That's a great riff.  Very fun to play.  I thought you were talking about the transitional riff right before it (which is also very fun but much more difficult).  I'm also partial to the harmony guitar section that starts at 5:49.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 21, 2022, 04:19:48 PM
That harmony part is great. It's an all-you-can eat buffet of great parts, truth be told.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2022, 04:30:49 PM
So I have nominated 105 songs for a Top 100. This is going to be so hard.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2022, 05:17:18 PM
So I have nominated 105 songs for a Top 100. This is going to be so hard.

Why would you do a top 100 when 75 is the likely number? :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 21, 2022, 05:28:20 PM
It's a perfect case for why it should be 100!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2022, 05:44:43 PM
So I have nominated 105 songs for a Top 100. This is going to be so hard.

Why would you do a top 100 when 75 is the likely number? :P

Because I am only running the Ranker once, and if I do a Top 100, it'll give me a Top 75 anyway!

Like the Rush countdown, it's really hard to pick between an excellent new song, and a good old song with history.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 21, 2022, 06:07:13 PM
So I have nominated 105 songs for a Top 100. This is going to be so hard.

Why would you do a top 100 when 75 is the likely number? :P

Because I am only running the Ranker once, and if I do a Top 100, it'll give me a Top 75 anyway!

Like the Rush countdown, it's really hard to pick between an excellent new song, and a good old song with history.

Yes, I really feel this is where the differences of opinions will be pretty strong. I may be alone in this but I can honestly say that I am more likely to rank pretty much every song that have been mentioned in the 'NOTB, PoM, SiT, Powerslave, SS' bottom 5 lists higher than most of the reunion era and pretty much all of the Blaze era. I do love most of the reunion stuff but the first 7 Maiden albums and especially the first 5 Bruce albums just mean so much to me and my musical journey.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 21, 2022, 06:12:07 PM
So I have nominated 105 songs for a Top 100. This is going to be so hard.

Why would you do a top 100 when 75 is the likely number? :P

Because I am only running the Ranker once, and if I do a Top 100, it'll give me a Top 75 anyway!

Like the Rush countdown, it's really hard to pick between an excellent new song, and a good old song with history.

Yes, I really feel this is where the differences of opinions will be pretty strong. I may be alone in this but I can honestly say that I am more likely to rank pretty much every song that have been mentioned in the 'NOTB, PoM, SiT, Powerslave, SS' bottom 5 lists higher than most of the reunion era and pretty much all of the Blaze era. I do love most of the reunion stuff but the first 7 Maiden albums and especially the first 5 Bruce albums just mean so much to me and my musical journey.

Likewise, much respect! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 21, 2022, 06:26:45 PM

LOL...my top 5 from that group of albums is TTAL, SSOASS, Powerslave, Eagles and Number.  I assume those aren't particularly controversial.


Ok, inspired by this, how about we do the favorite song from each of Bruce's 80s album?

It's super-hard but, today, mine would look like this (of course, I reserve the right to change my mind come Maiden countdown time  ;D)

The Number of the Beast: Hallowed Be Thy Name
Piece of Mind: Revelations
Powerslave: Powerslave
Somewhere in Time: Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son: Infinite Dreams
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 21, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
The Number of the Beast: Prisoner
Piece of Mind: Revelations
Powerslave: Powerslave
Somewhere in Time: Wasted Years
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son: Only The Good Die Young

Likewise always subject to change but those are todays...

ETA Actually tbh aside from NOTB and SSOASS, the choices for the 3 albums between probably wouldn't change too often ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2022, 07:20:17 PM
The Number Of The Beast: Hallowed Be Thy Name
Piece Of Mind: Where Eagles Dare
Powerslave: Powerslave
Somewhere In Time: Caught Somewhere In Time
Seventh Son: Infinite Dreams
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 21, 2022, 07:21:18 PM
Favs:

NOTB: The Prisoner
POM: I'm honestly having an impossible time choosing between Where Eagles Dare and Revelations
PS: Rime of the Ancient Mariner
SIT: Sea of Madness
SSOASS: The Clairvoyant
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
TNOTB: 22 Acacia Avenue
POM: Where Eagles Dare
PS: Powerslave
SIT: Caught Somewhere in Time
SSOASS: Seventh Son of A Seventh Son
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 21, 2022, 07:51:18 PM
Favs:

NOTB: Hallowed Be Thy Name
POM: Where Eagles Dare (but nearly impossible to choose)
PS: Rime
SIT: Sea of Madness (also pretty impossible to choose)
SS: Infinite Dreams
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 21, 2022, 07:53:47 PM
The Prisoner and 22 Acacia avenue were definitely in the running for NotB, as were Caught Somewhere in Time, Wasted Years and Sea of Madness for SiT.

Tim: I was noticing your least favorites from the era…why the dislike for Loneliness and Sea of Madness? What did they do to you?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2022, 08:07:18 PM
Tim: I was noticing your least favorites from the era…why the dislike for Loneliness and Sea of Madness? What did they do to you?  :biggrin:

So remember, I LOVED this album when it came out, and rate Caught Somewhere In Time as my #3 all time Maiden song.

I never cared for Loneliness.  Never cared for its pacing. It does open up a bit during the guitar solo, but it feels like a song that's not fleshed out enough.

As far as Sea Of Madness...I guess I'm indifferent to it. Nothing grabs me in it. It's not a bad song, as far as structure, but it just never did anything for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 21, 2022, 08:46:19 PM
I’ve always been fascinated by the lukewarm response to Sea of Madness. This was an album that I mostly didn’t care for upon its release. But Sea of Madness immediately hit me as the strongest and catchiest chorus on the entire album. Never could get it out of my head.

I really need to revisit Somewhere in Time. That is just a lost album to me that IMO had horrible timing on its release.

I had started getting deeper and deeper into heavy metal from 82-84. But then in November, I picked up Ride the Lightning and that began a years long obsession with the heaviest stuff I could find.  I started with “The Big Four”…then Motley Crue followed up Shout at the Devil with Theater of Pain.  EW!!!! So then I started listening to Nuclear Assault, Raven, Exciter, and Exodus.  Then Ozzy Osbourne put on makeup, teased his hair with hairspray and released The Ultimate Sin.  EWWWWW!!!! So I got into bands like Sodom, Destruction, Celtic Frost, Venom, and Kreator. Then Judas Priest released Turbo.  :facepalm:

Meanwhile, Metallica had just released Master of Puppets and so bands started to get even heavier. I found Sacred Reich, Dark Angel, DRI, COC, SOD (later MOD)….so in late 1986, Iron Maiden were finally going to release their long awaited follow up to Powerslave.  THERE’S NO WAY that the mighty Iron Maiden is going to go all synth-y on me like Motley Crue, Ozzy and Judas Priest did! Get ready to have your freaking face melted off!!!!!!




…..oh……


….well, s**t…..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2022, 08:48:57 PM
The thing is, Ben, is that I kind of found Somewhere In Time refreshing after what I thought was a very stale album (Powerslave).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 21, 2022, 08:54:11 PM
The thing is, Ben, is that I kind of found Somewhere In Time refreshing after what I thought was a very stale album (Powerslave).

It was just bad timing. I was 17, full of piss and vinegar, just falling in love with the most extreme music on the planet, and all my old heroes were hitting the brakes and going all top 40 on me.

I’m a lot mellower at 52.  I can’t even stand Slayer anymore. Just anything that feels like “hate” just turns me off. But 35 odd years ago was a different story.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 22, 2022, 12:39:43 AM
So I have nominated 105 songs for a Top 100. This is going to be so hard.

Why would you do a top 100 when 75 is the likely number? :P

Because I am only running the Ranker once, and if I do a Top 100, it'll give me a Top 75 anyway!

Like the Rush countdown, it's really hard to pick between an excellent new song, and a good old song with history.

Yes, I really feel this is where the differences of opinions will be pretty strong. I may be alone in this but I can honestly say that I am more likely to rank pretty much every song that have been mentioned in the 'NOTB, PoM, SiT, Powerslave, SS' bottom 5 lists higher than most of the reunion era and pretty much all of the Blaze era. I do love most of the reunion stuff but the first 7 Maiden albums and especially the first 5 Bruce albums just mean so much to me and my musical journey.

This is part of why I'm particularly motivated to do 100 instead of 75. I know a lot of people have much greater attachment to the 80s era, and I have nothing against them having that preference, but I'm worried that the result will be that the top of the list will be so dominated by 80s songs that a lot of great material from the reunion era will fall below 75.


Ok, inspired by this, how about we do the favorite song from each of Bruce's 80s album?

Hallowed Be Thy Name
Revelations
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Alexander the Great
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

Several of these were very close, though. Actually, all of them except Hallowed, which is a given for me, have at least a pretty strong second place contender.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on April 22, 2022, 01:15:51 AM
TNOTB: Hallowed Be Thy Name
POM: Revelations
PS: Powerslave
SIT: Sea Of Madness
SSOASS: Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
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Post by: Stadler on April 22, 2022, 07:32:37 AM
The Number Of The Beast: Hallowed Be Thy Name
Piece Of Mind: Where Eagles Dare
Powerslave: Powerslave
Somewhere In Time: Caught Somewhere In Time
Seventh Son: Infinite Dreams

That's a pretty solid list.   I could quibble with SiT or SS, but I can live with both as well.  I could also do:

The Number Of The Beast: Hallowed Be Thy Name
Piece Of Mind: Where Eagles Dare
Powerslave: Rime Of The Ancient Mariner
Somewhere In Time: Caught Somewhere In Time
Seventh Son: The Clairvoyant
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2022, 08:06:12 AM
Favorite is a bit easier for me than least favorite

Hallowed Be Thy Name
The Trooper
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Caught Somewhere in Time
The Evil That Men Do
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 22, 2022, 08:41:44 AM
Here goes:

Hallowed Be Thy Name
Revelations
Rime Of The Ancient Mariner
Caught Somewhere In Time
The Clairvoyant
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 22, 2022, 10:16:42 AM
Ok, inspired by this, how about we do the favorite song from each of Bruce's 80s album?

It's super-hard

It's actually pretty easy for me (since my top five covers four of these albums).

The Number of the Beast:  The Number of the Beast
Piece of Mind:  To Tame a Land
Powerslave:  Powerslave
Somewhere in Time:  The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son:  Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on April 22, 2022, 09:07:04 PM
If a Top 50/75/100 IM songs is happening at some point, I am starting a run through of their discography now to spread it out a bit. When I went through Rush's albums for that thread I got pretty burned out toward the end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 23, 2022, 12:19:54 AM
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Revelations
Aces High
Wasted Years
Only The Good Die Young
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2022, 03:14:50 AM
If a Top 50/75/100 IM songs is happening at some point, I am starting a run through of their discography now to spread it out a bit. When I went through Rush's albums for that thread I got pretty burned out toward the end.

Well I bet when you got to Power Windows you were like “Enough already “…
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 23, 2022, 03:55:18 AM
Hallowed Be Thy Name
The Trooper
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Heaven Can Wait
Moonchild
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on April 23, 2022, 10:11:13 AM
If a Top 50/75/100 IM songs is happening at some point, I am starting a run through of their discography now to spread it out a bit. When I went through Rush's albums for that thread I got pretty burned out toward the end.

Well I bet when you got to Power Windows you were like “Enough already “…

 :lol Actually it was a fun experience, since I never listen to those 80s/90s albums. It gave me the chance to listen to them with a fresh ear.

Hallowed Be Thy Name
Flight of Icarus
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Stranger in a Strange Land (I guess?)
The Clairvoyant
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 24, 2022, 08:31:30 AM
Bruce's isolated vocals on Seventh Son - simply AMAZING!!!!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsYSGE1InpY
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 24, 2022, 07:13:46 PM
If a Top 50/75/100 IM songs is happening at some point, I am starting a run through of their discography now to spread it out a bit. When I went through Rush's albums for that thread I got pretty burned out toward the end.

I just started this myself; I'll try to give little thoughts along the way. I was in an Iron Maiden mood today, and used that as momentum to listen to the debut.

So, I remain pretty much steadfast in the opinion I've held of the Di'Anno era for years now: A lot of it is good music, though it's a little uneven, but most of it is not really for me. I'm just not into the straightforward, rough-and-tumble vibe they're going for on a lot of these early tracks, I'm not a huge fan of PdA as lead singer, although he has his moments, and I find a lot of the lyrics, especially the sexual ones, genuinely off-putting.

But you can hear the seeds of their later greatness in a lot of these songs, which alone would make me interested in this album as a historical document of how one of my favorite bands came to be. And Remember Tomorrow and Phantom of the Opera just are great songs, with many of the qualities that I love about their later material.

Also, I really noticed this time through how poor the production on this album is. It takes a lot of the teeth out of Phantom especially, which sounds far better on Live After Death. If it wasn't for the two standout songs, I would probably prefer Killers on grounds of production alone.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2022, 07:17:23 PM
Phantom Of The Opera is early progressive metal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 24, 2022, 07:20:04 PM
I'd agree with that. I don't know the history well enough to say for certain, but it seems to be setting the terms for a lot of the more intricate metal songwriting of the 80s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on April 24, 2022, 07:31:48 PM
Had my music player on shuffle today and Prodigal Son came on. Perfect example of why I love the deep early cuts.

Not just with Iron Maiden, but with any band, I love that stage where they are still figuring out what they are going to be. I can’t imagine them doing anything like Prodigal Son today, but it’s just so perfect for that period of Iron Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Had my music player, my private paradise on shuffle today and Prodigal Son came on. Perfect example of why I love the deep early cuts.

Not just with Iron Maiden, but with any band, I love that stage where they are still figuring out what they are going to be. I can’t imagine them doing anything like Prodigal Son today, but it’s just so perfect for that period of Iron Maiden.

I agree.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on April 24, 2022, 08:35:06 PM
Had my music player, my private paradise on shuffle today and Prodigal Son came on. Perfect example of why I love the deep early cuts.

Not just with Iron Maiden, but with any band, I love that stage where they are still figuring out what they are going to be. I can’t imagine them doing anything like Prodigal Son today, but it’s just so perfect for that period of Iron Maiden.

I agree.

Isn't Journey man something along those lines? I know it's not recent ..oh shit Dance of Death will be 20 years next year! Damn does time fly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 25, 2022, 10:03:01 AM
Had my music player, my private paradise on shuffle today and Prodigal Son came on. Perfect example of why I love the deep early cuts.

Not just with Iron Maiden, but with any band, I love that stage where they are still figuring out what they are going to be. I can’t imagine them doing anything like Prodigal Son today, but it’s just so perfect for that period of Iron Maiden.

I agree.

:lol
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Post by: jammindude on April 25, 2022, 11:09:38 AM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin

Who added that? Tim?

It’s true though.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 25, 2022, 01:37:23 PM
Looks like it was Tim, yeah. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 25, 2022, 02:03:45 PM
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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 26, 2022, 09:39:22 AM
Recently listened  again to Bruce's last 3 solo albums; where would these rank for you in the IM discography? Accident of Birth I think would be in the Top 5, Side 1 especially is all killer no filler. I actually like TOS better than TCW, both of those would probably be somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2022, 11:02:15 AM
Recently listened  again to Bruce's last 3 solo albums; where would these rank for you in the IM discography? Accident of Birth I think would be in the Top 5, Side 1 especially is all killer no filler. I actually like TOS better than TCW, both of those would probably be somewhere in the middle.

The Chemical Wedding is (especially if you include the bonus tracks) #1 over all IM albums IMO.  Accident of Birth would be pretty high too, but not entirely sure where.  Maybe around 4 or 5ish.  Tyranny of Souls would be much lower. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 26, 2022, 04:03:58 PM
Many years ago CW was number 1 on my all time top 50, so there's that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 26, 2022, 04:23:36 PM
I have to admit, Accident of Birth is the only Bruce album I've ever heard. I think it's a good album, but it wouldn't rank high compared to my list of Maiden albums. Maybe around 11th-13th.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 26, 2022, 04:25:35 PM
I have to admit, Accident of Birth is the only Bruce album I've ever heard. I think it's a good album, but it wouldn't rank high compared to my list of Maiden albums. Maybe around 11th-13th.

Chemical Wedding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 26, 2022, 04:25:47 PM
Absolutely love The Chemical Wedding, what an album. I couldn't rank it above my favourite Maiden albums but it is right up there. Accident at Birth is also great. Tyranny of Souls would be much lower in the rankings, not so much of a fan of that one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 26, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
I have to admit, Accident of Birth is the only Bruce album I've ever heard. I think it's a good album, but it wouldn't rank high compared to my list of Maiden albums. Maybe around 11th-13th.

Chemical Wedding.

Yeah, Chemical Wedding goes to the next level.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 26, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
I have to admit, Accident of Birth is the only Bruce album I've ever heard. I think it's a good album, but it wouldn't rank high compared to my list of Maiden albums. Maybe around 11th-13th.

Chemical Wedding.

Yeah, Chemical Wedding goes to the next level.

I'm going to add to the Chemical Wedding praise. Fantastic album that you (425, I mean  :)) should definitely check out, if you haven't heard it yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on April 26, 2022, 05:19:01 PM
For some reason, I think Tyranny of Souls is the only Bruce album I've ever listened to and not for a long, long time.

I need to rectify that soon, I always remember really like 'Abduction' from that album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 26, 2022, 05:21:32 PM
Tyranny of Souls is pretty good, but both Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding are way better, for me.

(I personally have a soft spot for Balls to Picasso and Skunkworks too...)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 26, 2022, 05:28:34 PM
Not sure how aware everyone is regarding Paul Di'Anno's situation, but a long health update has been posted and another crowd funding effort has been kicked off to raise the money to get him healthy again.

https://bravewords.com/news/paul-di-anno-issues-health-update-thrilled-and-very-optimistic

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/pauldianno?fbclid=IwAR2VQq5BdId03rituDv3RlpWdhtzTwm3aBELJg9h6Yest3u3REMyc78wnRg
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 26, 2022, 06:01:51 PM
Had my music player, my private paradise on shuffle today and Prodigal Son came on. Perfect example of why I love the deep early cuts.

Not just with Iron Maiden, but with any band, I love that stage where they are still figuring out what they are going to be. I can’t imagine them doing anything like Prodigal Son today, but it’s just so perfect for that period of Iron Maiden.

I agree.

Isn't Journey man something along those lines? I know it's not recent ..oh shit Dance of Death will be 20 years next year! Damn does time fly.

I meant to reply to this. That's a good call, Faizoff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 27, 2022, 04:35:35 AM
Di'Anno hasn't had the best run of luck, but a lot of it is self-inflicted. He's right about the teeth, though, someone I know went to Roumania to spend 10 grand on dental work that would have cost 50 grand over here. You really don't think about teeth until you lose them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 27, 2022, 04:43:35 AM
I have to admit, Accident of Birth is the only Bruce album I've ever heard.

Which begs the question.... why?

 :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on April 27, 2022, 04:45:26 AM
I think I posted a few months or maybe a year back, I was surprised to see Di'Anno performing in a wheel chair and that's when I learned he wasn't keeping good health.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 27, 2022, 05:57:14 AM
I wonder what cool stuff we would get if Steve told Adrian, Dave, and Yanick “next album you 3 guys get together in a room and write some songs”.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on April 27, 2022, 06:05:36 AM
Recently listened  again to Bruce's last 3 solo albums; where would these rank for you in the IM discography? Accident of Birth I think would be in the Top 5, Side 1 especially is all killer no filler. I actually like TOS better than TCW, both of those would probably be somewhere in the middle.

The Chemical Wedding is (especially if you include the bonus tracks) #1 over all IM albums IMO.  Accident of Birth would be pretty high too, but not entirely sure where.  Maybe around 4 or 5ish.  Tyranny of Souls would be much lower.

:hifive:

Truth
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 27, 2022, 06:56:31 AM
Tyranny of Souls is pretty good, but both Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding are way better, for me.

(I personally have a soft spot for Balls to Picasso and Skunkworks too...)

I'm with you on all of that.  All of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 27, 2022, 04:24:21 PM
I wonder what cool stuff we would get if Steve told Adrian, Dave, and Yanick “next album you 3 guys get together in a room and write some songs”.

Love this idea.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2022, 04:31:10 PM
I wonder what cool stuff we would get if Steve told Adrian, Dave, and Yanick “next album you 3 guys get together in a room and write some songs”.

Did you spell his name wrong on purpose?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 27, 2022, 08:48:55 PM
I have to admit, Accident of Birth is the only Bruce album I've ever heard. I think it's a good album, but it wouldn't rank high compared to my list of Maiden albums. Maybe around 11th-13th.

Chemical Wedding.

Yeah, Chemical Wedding goes to the next level.

I'm going to add to the Chemical Wedding praise. Fantastic album that you (425, I mean  :)) should definitely check out, if you haven't heard it yet.

I will try to take this recommendation soon. I think I got AoB shortly before I lost interest in Maiden for several years, so I never made it back around to TCW.



Listened to Killers yesterday, and I'm willing to eat a bit of crow on this album—at least, on it being clearly below the debut. I held that opinion for many years, but this time, I sort of heard Killers fresh and several ways in which it is a significant upgrade over Iron Maiden (note: if my Apple metadata can be trusted, which is not always the case, I had not listened to this album in full since 2016):

(1) The production is way better; having Birch on board was a big deal.

(2) Having Adrian matters a lot. I have nothing particularly against Stratton, but his playing is pretty unremarkable. Adrian takes things to the next level.

(3) I think there's a lot more awesome bass playing from Steve on this album. At least, it's a lot more noticeable.

(4) While I stand by calling Remember Tomorrow and Phantom of the Opera far and away the best songs of the Di'Anno era, I think the average song on Killers is probably better than the average song on Iron Maiden. It's certainly a more consistent album.

I now would have these two albums basically tied. If you asked me which one I would rather have if I could never listen to the other one (or any of its songs) again, then I would still pick the debut because of the top two songs. But if you asked me which one I enjoy more as an album listening experience, I think I would now say Killers. And I can now hear what I couldn't for a long time, which is a sense of progression and improvement across the first four albums, with each taking a step forward over the previous. It's still down near the end of my list, but my view of it has certainly improved.

I'm listening to The Number of the Beast right now, so I might post on that in a bit, or perhaps tomorrow. Next, I'm actually going to listen to Beast Over Hammersmith for the first time ever. When I first got into the band, it was basically not available at all, but I saw that they now have it for download on iTunes, so I'm going to try that one. Will probably continue including the live stuff on my discography run.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 27, 2022, 08:53:30 PM
(4) While I stand by calling Remember Tomorrow and Phantom of the Opera far and away the best songs of the Di'Anno era, I think the average song on Killers is probably better than the average song on Iron Maiden. It's certainly a more consistent album.


This is true.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 27, 2022, 09:05:14 PM
It's strange; I used to think of Killers as the "best of the rest" when it came to the initial batch of songs that were written from 1975 to 1980. And, again, they really did put the two best songs on the first album. But coming back to these albums afresh, Iron Maiden is the album that feels more like it has songs that are just thrown on there. Like, Charlotte the Harlot is just not a good song and does not really contribute to the flow of the album.

On the other hand, Killers flows and it even has something of a theme. That's one of the other things I'm coming to appreciate, too: I like the lyrics a lot better on Killers (again, two debut songs excepted). Not only is there none of the silly sexual stuff, but there's a sense of drama to a lot of the lyrics. It's a rather basic form of drama—the idea of a criminal on the run from the law—but I can see it as an early version of the sense of drama that Steve really developed as the years went on.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 27, 2022, 10:46:29 PM
I feel Killers is a much stronger album on the whole than Iron Maiden, but I love them both. It's great to see you appreciating it more 425 - I hope you do the same with The Number of the Beast  :)

Killers is just great all across the board and I totally agree about Adrian Smith elevating the album, and Steve's bass playing. The album is full of underrated classics.

I do though also agree that Remember Tomorrow and Phantom are the stand out songs across both albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on April 28, 2022, 12:27:24 AM
It would have been really interesting to see how Phantom sounded if recorded in the Killers sessions.

Killers is front to back awesome. The sound, songs, aggression, it's packed with those single note guitar riffs that only Maiden do. It's my desert island Maiden album.

The debut is great fun but feels soooo early. The title track and Charlotte are the worst songs in the catalogue, Running Free is pretty poor. Prowler, Tomorrow, Phantom, Transylvania, Strange are great.

In all, Killers repeatedly slaps the debut's fries out of its hands and repeatedly slaps it round the head - for NO reason other than it wants to.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 28, 2022, 03:41:54 AM
Killers has the big production and the big sound, while the debut album sounds like it's a demo recorded in somebody's garage, and that's why I prefer it - it has a raw, unpolished attitude to it. Plus I genuinely think the songs are better, as are Di'Anno's vocals. I like the rough and ready sound of that first album, and always wonder where they would have gone if they'd continued down that path.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 28, 2022, 07:24:01 AM
I wonder what cool stuff we would get if Steve told Adrian, Dave, and Yanick “next album you 3 guys get together in a room and write some songs”.

Did you spell his name wrong on purpose?

Whoops! It's Janick.

To 425: Beast Over Hammersmith is awesome, you'll enjoy it immensely. Best live versions of some of those songs, including of course Total Eclipse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 28, 2022, 07:36:41 AM
This just in: "Elon Musk buys Iron Maiden and forces Jannick Gers out of the band"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 28, 2022, 07:37:51 AM
I wonder what cool stuff we would get if Steve told Adrian, Dave, and Yanick “next album you 3 guys get together in a room and write some songs”.

Did you spell his name wrong on purpose?

Whoops! It's Janick.

To 425: Beast Over Hammersmith is awesome, you'll enjoy it immensely. Best live versions of some of those songs, including of course Total Eclipse.

Haha.

BOH is wonderful, I just really don't like how the guitars aren't mixed in stereo like the rest of their live stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 28, 2022, 07:38:43 AM
This just in: "Elon Musk buys Iron Maiden and forces Jannick Gers out of the band"

Did you spell his name wrong on purpose?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 28, 2022, 09:36:43 AM
Seems like a ranking of the songs on the Di'Anno albums is in order!

1. Phantom of the Opera
2. Murders in the Rue Morgue
3. Wrathchild
4. Purgatory
5. Charlotte the Harlot
6. Prodigal Son
7. Prowler
8. Transylvania
9. Iron Maiden
10. Sanctuary
11. Killers
12. Genghis Khan
13. Drifter
14. The Ides of March
15. Running Free
16. Remember Tomorrow
17. Strange World
18. Innocent Exile
19. Another Life
20. Twilight Zone

I'm not 100% sure about the order of 4-7.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 28, 2022, 09:50:41 AM


I'm listening to The Number of the Beast right now, so I might post on that in a bit, or perhaps tomorrow. Next, I'm actually going to listen to Beast Over Hammersmith for the first time ever. When I first got into the band, it was basically not available at all, but I saw that they now have it for download on iTunes, so I'm going to try that one. Will probably continue including the live stuff on my discography run.

I really want to hear your thoughts on this.  I saw Maiden for the first time on this tour (opening for Priest).  I'm not really exaggerating when I say that everything since has been measured against that.  When the first thing you see in your concert life is Bruce Dickinson singing "Murders In The Rue Morgue", and then BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM Wrathschild/Run To The Hills/Children Of The Damned/The Number Of The Beast, it's hard to top. 

This was my setlist:

Murders In The Rue Morgue
Wreathschild
Run To The Hills
Children Of The Damned
The Number Of The Beast
22 Acacia Avenue
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden (with the 12-foot Eddie)
Drifter

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 28, 2022, 10:04:56 AM
This just in: "Elon Musk buys Iron Maiden and forces Jannick Gers out of the band"

Did you spell his name wrong on purpose?

Pretty sure it’s M U S K.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 28, 2022, 10:17:08 AM
1     Another Life
2   Prodigal Son
3   Murders in the Rue Morgue
4   Strange World
5   Purgatory
6   Iron Maiden
7   Remember Tomorrow
8   Innocent Exile
9   Prowler
10   Phantom of the Opera
11   Running Free
12   Drifter
13.   Killers
14   Wrathchild
15   Genghis Khan
16    Transylvania
17   Charlotte the Harlot
18   The Ides of March
19   Twilight Zone
20   Sanctuary
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on April 28, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
Guys you're spoiling the upcoming Maiden countdown!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on April 29, 2022, 03:40:37 PM
Been meaning to post about TNotB:

I think this is one where my estimation did not change at all upon listening to it again. I still think it's a really good album that's deserving of its status as a landmark in the genre, and I still think that Maiden subsequently surpassed it many, many times.

The thing that stands out most to me on this album is how incredible Bruce sounds. Coming off the previous two albums with Di'Anno, who isn't a bad singer, but is definitely not to my preference, it feels like a huge step forward in the vocal department. Invaders, a song I've always liked, just comes right out of the gate in that regard.

The weird part of the experience for this album is that there are three songs that I've just heard so many times outside of the album context as a result of them being on the majority of Maiden live releases. It makes it challenging to think about them in the album context. But this time around I did focus on Hallowed from the songwriting perspective, since the live performance aspect was not relevant, and, yeah, this song just does not get old.

I liked Gangland a little better than I remembered. But it remains the odd song out here. Total Eclipse is still way better.

The other downside is that the 22 Acacia Avenue lyrics bother me more now than they did when I was younger. I think I just have less tolerance for crassly sexual lyrics than I did when I was younger. It's still a very good song musically, though. Glad they dropped that subject matter for the next six years, and then dropped it again after FotD.




I'm listening to The Number of the Beast right now, so I might post on that in a bit, or perhaps tomorrow. Next, I'm actually going to listen to Beast Over Hammersmith for the first time ever. When I first got into the band, it was basically not available at all, but I saw that they now have it for download on iTunes, so I'm going to try that one. Will probably continue including the live stuff on my discography run.

I really want to hear your thoughts on this.  I saw Maiden for the first time on this tour (opening for Priest).  I'm not really exaggerating when I say that everything since has been measured against that.  When the first thing you see in your concert life is Bruce Dickinson singing "Murders In The Rue Morgue", and then BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM Wrathschild/Run To The Hills/Children Of The Damned/The Number Of The Beast, it's hard to top. 

This was my setlist:

Murders In The Rue Morgue
Wreathschild
Run To The Hills
Children Of The Damned
The Number Of The Beast
22 Acacia Avenue
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden (with the 12-foot Eddie)
Drifter

Oh, that's interesting, that makes me more excited to listen to this one. I'm starting it now, and I'll try to post about it tonight. There are
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lowdz on April 30, 2022, 12:06:59 PM
This just in: "Elon Musk buys Iron Maiden and forces Jannick Gers out of the band"

Did you spell his name wrong on purpose?

I’ve never forgiven Jannick for not being Bernie Torme when I saw Gillan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 30, 2022, 05:03:50 PM
This just in: "Elon Musk buys Iron Maiden and forces Jannick Gers out of the band"

Did you spell his name wrong on purpose?

I’ve never forgiven Jannick for not being Bernie Torme when I saw Gillan.

 :lol

Did you spell his name wrong on purpose?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 01, 2022, 09:02:12 PM
I had some things come up and didn't quite finish Beast Over Hammersmith until today. This is quite a good release! The band and the crowd both have a ton of energy, and it's interesting to hear Bruce on some Di'Anno era songs that he was clearly still figuring out at the time. Plus, it's a live performance of Total Eclipse! Glad I took the time to finally listen to this one.

One of my favorite Maiden albums is next...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 02, 2022, 07:07:36 AM
The weird part of the experience for this album is that there are three songs that I've just heard so many times outside of the album context as a result of them being on the majority of Maiden live releases. It makes it challenging to think about them in the album context. But this time around I did focus on Hallowed from the songwriting perspective, since the live performance aspect was not relevant, and, yeah, this song just does not get old.


I'm going to do a full listen-through for my list (it worked for Van Halen, and I regret not doing it for Rush) and one of the things I'm going to concentrate on is the various live versions.  I was trying to learn Hallowed Be Thy Name a while ago, and I went through some of the live versions and I feel like I might have noticed that Dave and Adrian (and now Jannick) don't always play it exactly the same way every time.  I want to confirm that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 02, 2022, 10:50:55 AM
The second solo, at least is definitely not always played the same way. Janick's rendition of Adrian's solo is noticeably different in different live performances. IMO it's hit or miss. When he nails it, I like his version better than the original because it has more of a frantic energy, but when he misses, it can sound like a mess.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 02, 2022, 01:12:02 PM
I was running to both SIT and SSOASS recently and was struck by the uniqueness of the sound on both of these releases.

With SIT there were synths and there was a bit of shock about it but I don't hear them much. It's obviously there on the intro to CSIT but no other instance stuck out. Does anyone have any insights to where and how they were used in the recording? The guitars sound quite unique and pretty processed but it almost sounds like that could be chorus or phaser rather than the listed "guitar synths". Or are they double-layered with the synth versions of something?
I love the sound. Possible my favourite-sounding Maiden album.

The synths are more upfront on SSOASS. Again, the guitars are really unique-sounding but not in a modulated way. I think I read they used Gallien Kruger amps on this one. Any insights on this? Another fantastic sounding album, IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 02, 2022, 01:23:04 PM
This popped up in my youtube feed today. Similar to the dude that played every Rush song on drums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6rxldHHXiQ

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 04, 2022, 11:46:29 AM
This popped up in my youtube feed today. Similar to the dude that played every Rush song on drums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6rxldHHXiQ

 :metal

This is pretty cool. I'm only through the NPFTD parts so far, but it's really impressive. I've been thinking lately about how important Nicko is to Maiden's sound, even though he gets less attention than probably every other member of the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: romdrums on May 10, 2022, 12:34:59 PM
Just wanted to drop in and say Senjutsu still rocks my world.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2022, 03:56:44 PM
The weird part of the experience for this album is that there are three songs that I've just heard so many times outside of the album context as a result of them being on the majority of Maiden live releases. It makes it challenging to think about them in the album context. But this time around I did focus on Hallowed from the songwriting perspective, since the live performance aspect was not relevant, and, yeah, this song just does not get old.


I'm going to do a full listen-through for my list (it worked for Van Halen, and I regret not doing it for Rush) and one of the things I'm going to concentrate on is the various live versions.  I was trying to learn Hallowed Be Thy Name a while ago, and I went through some of the live versions and I feel like I might have noticed that Dave and Adrian (and now Jannick) don't always play it exactly the same way every time.  I want to confirm that.

Dave's always guilty of improvising a lot of his solos.  The Hallowed one he hasn't really played the same as teh studio since the late 80's.  Come the 90's he just blisters a fully improvised solo and still does today.  I love his renditions in the early 90's though.  Adrian was pretty true in the 80's from memory but Janick just does his thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 11, 2022, 01:51:46 AM
This popped up in my youtube feed today. Similar to the dude that played every Rush song on drums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6rxldHHXiQ

 :metal
I've been thinking lately about how important Nicko is to Maiden's sound, even though he gets less attention than probably every other member of the band.

I went to see them on the last night of the Final Frontier tour, and to celebrate the last night they had Nicko do a drum solo - I had not realised what a monster of a drummer that guy is. Since then I've gone out of my way to listen to the drums, and he really is under-rated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 13, 2022, 07:05:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1g2rxUS-24

 :rollin



I am so sorry. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2022, 07:06:08 PM
I'm not clicking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 13, 2022, 07:07:16 PM
A real fan is never afraid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2022, 07:08:48 PM
 :rollin  He's reading the lyrics from his phone and still fucks them up.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 13, 2022, 07:11:41 PM
I'm almost through it.

It's actually kind of awesome. The guy is better than Paul Stanley at this point. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2022, 07:12:44 PM
I skipped through it.  His scream was pretty decent.  The guitarists were shit in the solos but their tones were really nice.  The drummer was solid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 13, 2022, 07:14:59 PM
I know the words to this song but I have no idea WTF he's saying.

I love it though. :metal :lol


And Fear Of The Dark! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyrsZZ-KfzY


and Wrathchild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FqeEPz4zvI

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2022, 07:17:12 PM
I know the words to this song but I have no idea WTF he's saying.

I love it though. :metal :lol

He didn't know what the fuck he was saying.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on May 13, 2022, 08:03:03 PM
I know the words to this song but I have no idea WTF he's saying.

I love it though. :metal :lol


And Fear Of The Dark! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyrsZZ-KfzY


and Wrathchild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FqeEPz4zvI



LMAO the guitarist on the right smoking is so weird. Where do you find these? it's got like 40 views. Playing is pretty good.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 13, 2022, 08:12:38 PM
I know the words to this song but I have no idea WTF he's saying.

I love it though. :metal :lol

He didn't know what the fuck he was saying.  :lol

I feel like if he dropped his phone, the words would sound exactly the same. :lol





Where do you find these? it's got like 40 views. Playing is pretty good.

I don't know. It showed up in my feed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2022, 08:41:51 PM
I feel like if he dropped his phone, the words would sound exactly the same. :lol

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 14, 2022, 04:16:39 AM
I rather enjoyed Rime. They're having such a good time! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 14, 2022, 06:07:30 AM
I rather enjoyed Rime. They're having such a good time! :biggrin:

Iron Maiden makes the world go round.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 18, 2022, 07:30:49 AM
I'm almost through it.

It's actually kind of awesome. The guy is better than Paul Stanley at this point. :lol

There's no call for that.  ;) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 18, 2022, 07:33:36 AM
I skipped through it.  His scream was pretty decent.  The guitarists were shit in the solos but their tones were really nice.  The drummer was solid.

The guitar player on the right annoyed me more than the singer; every time there was any sort of unison passage, he would look over with this ridiculous "WE DID IT!" look on his face. 

There's a local band my friend plays in once in a while and the singer has one of those big elementary school music stands in front of him with all the words and I mock him unmercifully.   At least this guy is using a phone sort of on the down low.   And yes, without the phone, I imagine it sounds exactly the same!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 18, 2022, 09:42:00 AM
I know the words to this song but I have no idea WTF he's saying.

I love it though. :metal :lol

He didn't know what the fuck he was saying.  :lol

I feel like if he dropped his phone, the words would sound exactly the same. :lol

 :lol :lol


I'm truly perplexed by this.  Did they just put a shitload of gear onto a truck and drive into the middle of a jungle to do this?  Is all the gear being powered by a generator?  Was anyone physically present to watch this (seems like there are more people with cameras than audience members)?  Why is the singer standing on the ground in front of the stage?  Is the guy who made the sign a Texas Longhorns fan?  Why is EVERY comment so over the top effusive about how awesome this is?  I'm almost surprised they didn't try the spoken word segment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 18, 2022, 03:02:47 PM
Be Quick Or Be Dead :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D26XTpAtK9Y


And Brand New!!

Where Eagles Dare  :metal :metal :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mIEtHR9NtE

And that's pretty much what my intro to it sounds like too. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 18, 2022, 03:42:55 PM
I skipped through it.  His scream was pretty decent.  The guitarists were shit in the solos but their tones were really nice.  The drummer was solid.

The guitar player on the right annoyed me more than the singer; every time there was any sort of unison passage, he would look over with this ridiculous "WE DID IT!" look on his face. 

There's a local band my friend plays in once in a while and the singer has one of those big elementary school music stands in front of him with all the words and I mock him unmercifully.   At least this guy is using a phone sort of on the down low.   And yes, without the phone, I imagine it sounds exactly the same!  :) :) :)

 :lol  They are not very good at playing guitar so if they did it, it's quite an accomplishment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 18, 2022, 04:51:09 PM
And Brand New!!

Where Eagles Dare  :metal :metal :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mIEtHR9NtE

And that's pretty much what my intro to it sounds like too. :lol

There's a shot of the bass player early in the video where he rolls his eyes and smiles, as if to say, "I can't believe these are the best guitarists in the area."

Wah bagus kak!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 18, 2022, 05:03:39 PM
I like how the drummer plays the beginning of the intro correctly, then just kind of slams around on his kit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 18, 2022, 10:50:31 PM
You're all being so mean :lol I kind of like watching them :biggrin:

Although I do indeed need to know the answers to pg1067's questions!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on May 19, 2022, 12:07:43 AM
Just watched the Where Eagles Dare clip. Can't believe I got through it but anyway....I think my biggest question is why does the 'singer' need to look at the lyrics on his phone when he doesn't sing them anyway?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 19, 2022, 07:17:58 AM
I like how the drummer plays the beginning of the intro correctly, then just kind of slams around on his kit.

I'm going to gently suggest that you're only correct if by "the beginning of the intro" you mean the very first drum hit.  That was HORRIBLE.

As for the singer, he's not even giving the right number of syllables; it's one thing if you have the rhythm and flub the actual phonetics, but he's just apparently making shit up as he goes.

And if anyone needed a time stamp for that look by the guitar player, it's at 1:42.  He just finished that chord break and you can see his face: "Fuckin' NAILED IT!"   :) :) :) :)

Having said all that, any link provided for these guys and I'm going to watch. That is priceless entertainment, in my book.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2022, 08:42:35 AM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 19, 2022, 10:03:56 AM
You're all being so mean :lol I kind of like watching them :biggrin:

I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

I had a hard time not watching.  It's the same reason why traffic slows to look at the remains of a car accident where everyone has pulled off the road.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2022, 10:37:28 AM
That kid is doing better than both Jon Bon Jovi and David Coverdale.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on May 19, 2022, 11:59:29 AM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

Yes this, even more puzzling when I post links to a very talented IM YouTuber, who gets no replies in this thread :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2022, 12:39:05 PM
That kid is doing better than both Jon Bon Jovi and David Coverdale.

Bon Jovi is so bad right now.  He wasn't perfect like 4 years ago when I last saw him, but the clips I saw recently are atrocious.  At least Coverdale knows he can't do it and lets the band take over.  (although I haven't seen any clips from their current tour to see if he's even worse now like Bon Jovi).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 19, 2022, 12:55:28 PM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

Yes this, even more puzzling when I post links to a very talented IM YouTuber, who gets no replies in this thread :rollin

I find folks who do note-for-note play-along videos to be monumentally uninteresting.  If I want to see/hear someone play along with The Trooper note-for-note, I'll watch or listen to the real thing.  These Indonesian guys are (unintentionally) funny (comically bad?) and have a bit of charm and character to them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on May 19, 2022, 01:46:16 PM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

Yes this, even more puzzling when I post links to a very talented IM YouTuber, who gets no replies in this thread :rollin

I find folks who do note-for-note play-along videos to be monumentally uninteresting.  If I want to see/hear someone play along with The Trooper note-for-note, I'll watch or listen to the real thing.  These Indonesian guys are (unintentionally) funny (comically bad?) and have a bit of charm and character to them.

As a guitar player who is interested in seeing how to play the songs, getting the breakdown of the parts, these video's are fantastic.
While a band of hacks butchering a Maiden song, is 20 seconds of my life I'll never get back.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 19, 2022, 02:40:58 PM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

Yes this, even more puzzling when I post links to a very talented IM YouTuber, who gets no replies in this thread :rollin

Well, and I'm being fairly serious here, I don't think we're interested in this for the same reasons.  We can all mock that whether we like Maiden or not; it's a higher bar as to whether everyone will like your friend, regardless of whether he is or is not really great.  Does that make sense?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2022, 02:45:34 PM
I think there's a place for note for note videos, but I kind of doze off with some of those.

Sorry Gaz, but I may have missed the links you posted..


These Indonesian guys are (unintentionally) funny (comically bad?) and have a bit of charm and character to them.

This.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 19, 2022, 03:17:23 PM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

Yes this, even more puzzling when I post links to a very talented IM YouTuber, who gets no replies in this thread :rollin

I find folks who do note-for-note play-along videos to be monumentally uninteresting.  If I want to see/hear someone play along with The Trooper note-for-note, I'll watch or listen to the real thing.  These Indonesian guys are (unintentionally) funny (comically bad?) and have a bit of charm and character to them.

As a guitar player who is interested in seeing how to play the songs, getting the breakdown of the parts, these video's are fantastic.
While a band of hacks butchering a Maiden song, is 20 seconds of my life I'll never get back.

I'm a bass player, and I have, on occasion, watched bass play-throughs to help me figure out songs (especially with stuff that has the bass buried in the mix).  They're fine for that purpose, but there are already 493 videos of people playing [fill in song name], and I have no interest in sitting around watching them just for funsies.  Even when there's some hook -- "guy with no arms plays flawless cover of Enter Sandman on the subcontrabass flute" -- I'm going to be hard pressed to be interested.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 19, 2022, 03:18:54 PM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

Yes this, even more puzzling when I post links to a very talented IM YouTuber, who gets no replies in this thread :rollin

Well, and I'm being fairly serious here, I don't think we're interested in this for the same reasons.  We can all mock that whether we like Maiden or not; it's a higher bar as to whether everyone will like your friend, regardless of whether he is or is not really great.  Does that make sense?

I think the "your friend" here is relevant to the motivations people can have, even if it's not directly relevant to this case. As someone who is not a musician, I'm only interested in seeing videos of someone else's covers of a band I know if I have some special reason to care. Usually, that's going to be that they did something interesting and different somehow (for example, I found the video TAC posted recently of the drummer who played essentially a long medley of every Maiden song interesting because that was different). If it's not materially different from the original version, the main reason I can think I would be interested is if it was a friend of mine who played it. But that's going to be interesting to me because I'm interested in that person. Otherwise, yeah, I'd rather see/hear Iron Maiden do it if it's basically the same thing.

This is also definitely not new to this forum. I bet there are a number of people who do good note-for-note Dream Theater vocal covers sounding a lot like JLB, but who is this forum's favorite singer of DT covers? Nicky Spanjaards.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2022, 06:56:37 PM
Yeah, you probably have to play guitar or bass to really appreciate note for note covers.  That's not an insult but I get what you guys are saying in regards to that too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2022, 07:22:05 PM
Unless of course that it's Wolfking playing Tipton.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2022, 07:42:30 PM
Unless of course that it's Wolfking playing Tipton.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e49e56f9d3f8964a9e45113c59dd45cc/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on May 20, 2022, 02:46:42 AM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

Yes this, even more puzzling when I post links to a very talented IM YouTuber, who gets no replies in this thread :rollin

I find folks who do note-for-note play-along videos to be monumentally uninteresting.  If I want to see/hear someone play along with The Trooper note-for-note, I'll watch or listen to the real thing.  These Indonesian guys are (unintentionally) funny (comically bad?) and have a bit of charm and character to them.

As a guitar player who is interested in seeing how to play the songs, getting the breakdown of the parts, these video's are fantastic.
While a band of hacks butchering a Maiden song, is 20 seconds of my life I'll never get back.

I'm a bass player, and I have, on occasion, watched bass play-throughs to help me figure out songs (especially with stuff that has the bass buried in the mix).  They're fine for that purpose, but there are already 493 videos of people playing [fill in song name], and I have no interest in sitting around watching them just for funsies.  Even when there's some hook -- "guy with no arms plays flawless cover of Enter Sandman on the subcontrabass flute" -- I'm going to be hard pressed to be interested.

I'm only interested in the one guy 'Licks Of The Beast' and I am not interested in what he plays, I am into how he plays it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 20, 2022, 02:51:39 AM
Hey, remember the good old days when if you were really great at playing an instrument, you used to go out, form a band and play to audiences? Now you just stay in your bedroom and post videos to the hinterwebs. Some of these guys are great musicians, but they're just clones, they're not innovating and developing their own style.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 20, 2022, 06:09:21 AM
Hey, remember the good old days when if you were really great at playing an instrument, you used to go out, form a band and play to audiences? Now you just stay in your bedroom and post videos to the hinterwebs. Some of these guys are great musicians, but they're just clones, they're not innovating and developing their own style.

This.

YouTube is really good for how-to play videos, IMO. Was great when I was playing in a covers band. I tried to learn songs I was interested in by ear and put my own twist on arrangements etc but if I was under time pressure or lazy I went to the the how-to-play vids. SO much quicker than the old tab books I had back in the mid-80s!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 20, 2022, 07:34:08 AM
I NEVER watch these videos without a purpose:  to learn a song, to see Wolfking or Coz kill it (meaning, to watch a friend play something), or in a thread like this to see what people are talking about.   I am otherwise not really interested in some band from Corning, New York or Salinas, Puerto Rico who can play 2 Minutes To Midnight relatively flawlessly.  I'd rather go to my local bar and watch one of the regional cover bands.  At least they are playing live without a net.

And in fact, I'm going to a local place tonight to watch a regional Judas Priest cover band.  I would NEVER watch them on YouTube.  I would rather listen to the real thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 20, 2022, 08:10:46 AM
I'm confused why this is getting so much attention so I clicked... and turned it right off and back to being confused.   :lol

Yes this, even more puzzling when I post links to a very talented IM YouTuber, who gets no replies in this thread :rollin

I find folks who do note-for-note play-along videos to be monumentally uninteresting.  If I want to see/hear someone play along with The Trooper note-for-note, I'll watch or listen to the real thing.  These Indonesian guys are (unintentionally) funny (comically bad?) and have a bit of charm and character to them.

As a guitar player who is interested in seeing how to play the songs, getting the breakdown of the parts, these video's are fantastic.
While a band of hacks butchering a Maiden song, is 20 seconds of my life I'll never get back.

I'm a bass player, and I have, on occasion, watched bass play-throughs to help me figure out songs (especially with stuff that has the bass buried in the mix).  They're fine for that purpose, but there are already 493 videos of people playing [fill in song name], and I have no interest in sitting around watching them just for funsies.  Even when there's some hook -- "guy with no arms plays flawless cover of Enter Sandman on the subcontrabass flute" -- I'm going to be hard pressed to be interested.

I'm only interested in the one guy 'Licks Of The Beast' and I am not interested in what he plays, I am into how he plays it.

I'm with you...the Licks of the Beast guy is awesome!

Anyway...tour starts on Sunday in Croatia. Can't wait to see what they'll play!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 20, 2022, 08:29:34 AM
In case you are interested, the setlist is already at setlistfm.com (from the future?!). It's fake or someone heard the rehearsals and posted there. It's a very realistic one, so, let's see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 20, 2022, 08:32:37 AM
In case you are interested, the setlist is already at setlistfm.com (from the future?!). It's fake or someone heard the rehearsals and posted there. It's a very realistic one, so, let's see.

I think it's been removed. Do you have it? I heard it had Hell on Earth.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2022, 08:34:11 AM
In case you are interested, the setlist is already at setlistfm.com (from the future?!). It's fake or someone heard the rehearsals and posted there. It's a very realistic one, so, let's see.

I think it's been removed. Do you have it? I heard it had Hell on Earth.

Yeah, I don't see it, but I would be 99% sure it's a guess and probably pretty easy to make a realistic guess. IM have shown time and time again to be a pretty sealed lipped group to let thinks leak out like that.  We will know soon enough though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 20, 2022, 10:38:09 AM
In case you are interested, the setlist is already at setlistfm.com (from the future?!). It's fake or someone heard the rehearsals and posted there. It's a very realistic one, so, let's see.

I think it's been removed. Do you have it? I heard it had Hell on Earth.

I didn’t save it, but Hell on Earth wasn’t there, only the expected songs from Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2022, 03:24:01 PM
I have a feeling we'll all be let down by the set.  Can see a generic run of the mill set to be honest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 20, 2022, 03:33:36 PM
As someone who didn't see the first LotB run and finds that to be an incredible setlist, I'm hoping to see as much of it kept intact as possible while getting the three Senjutsu songs in.

Specifically, I'm hoping they keep at least one of Sign of the Cross and For the Greater Good of God, and at least one of Revelations and Where Eagles Dare.

I suspect at least one of the epics goes to get Senjutsu in; my choice would be Clansman, but I suspect it will be Greater Good. I suspect one of the mid-length songs goes to get Writing on the Wall in; my choice would be 2 Minutes, but since that seems to be immovable, I suspect it will be Eagles. I suspect one of the short songs goes to get Stratego in; I don't have a preferred choice (I mean, I guess The Trooper because I don't need to see that again, but that's not going to happen), but I suspect it will be The Wicker Man.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on May 20, 2022, 05:23:52 PM
I saw the leaked setlist and remember much of it. PM me if you want to know, as I don’t want to spoil it in case it’s accurate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 20, 2022, 06:03:21 PM
In case you are interested, the setlist is already at setlistfm.com (from the future?!). It's fake or someone heard the rehearsals and posted there. It's a very realistic one, so, let's see.

I think it's been removed. Do you have it? I heard it had Hell on Earth.

If you're on Reddit, there's a post in the Iron Maiden sub.  Spoilers ahead (or not since we don't know if it's real):

"Senjutsu Theme"
- Senjutsu
- Stratego
- The Writing on the Wall
- Hell on Earth

"War Theme"
- These Colours Don't Run
- The Trooper
- 2 Minutes to Midnight

"Heaven and Hell Theme"
- Revelations
- Sign of the Cross
- Flight of Icarus
- Fear of the Dark
- Iron Maiden

Encore
- Aces High
- Blood Brothers
- Sanctuary

Frankly, I have a hard time believing a set with none of Beast, Hallowed or Hills
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2022, 07:04:46 PM
As the VH countdown will be finishing up here shortly, that means Iron Maiden is next, so if anyone wants to PM me the list of every one of their songs (in chronological order) that I can list in the eventual thread I will start, that'd be awesome.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2022, 07:08:28 PM
I'll just PM you my list as it will be the definitive selection of songs! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2022, 07:09:46 PM
I'll just PM you my list as it will be the definitive selection of songs! :neverusethis:

Okay, Mr. "Panama is not a top 50 VH song." :P  I look forward to your Maiden top 75 leaving off Powerslave, Run to the Hills, Flight of Icarus and Wasted Years. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2022, 07:11:02 PM
*quickly scans list for Wasted Years*

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2022, 07:17:03 PM
Looking at songs 76-100, and there's 25 awesome tunes. This is going to be brutal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on May 20, 2022, 07:55:35 PM
As the VH countdown will be finishing up here shortly, that means Iron Maiden is next, so if anyone wants to PM me the list of every one of their songs (in chronological order) that I can list in the eventual thread I will start, that'd be awesome.  :)

I hope it will be easier to easier to stomach than the VH list. Yikes that went downhill. How many songs are we allowed?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 20, 2022, 08:35:39 PM
In case you are interested, the setlist is already at setlistfm.com (from the future?!). It's fake or someone heard the rehearsals and posted there. It's a very realistic one, so, let's see.

I think it's been removed. Do you have it? I heard it had Hell on Earth.

If you're on Reddit, there's a post in the Iron Maiden sub.  Spoilers ahead (or not since we don't know if it's real):

"Senjutsu Theme"
- Senjutsu
- Stratego
- The Writing on the Wall
- Hell on Earth

"War Theme"
- These Colours Don't Run
- The Trooper
- 2 Minutes to Midnight

"Heaven and Hell Theme"
- Revelations
- Sign of the Cross
- Flight of Icarus
- Fear of the Dark
- Iron Maiden

Encore
- Aces High
- Blood Brothers
- Sanctuary

Frankly, I have a hard time believing a set with none of Beast, Hallowed or Hills

I saw this a few days back. The report was that it was their rehearsal setlist in Zagreb or some other strange place. That actually sounds perfectly plausible, but it doesn't really mean much insofar as the final setlist goes. I'm guessing they know how to play Number or RtH by now, along with plenty of other staples. And the order shouldn't matter much, either. The Senjustu set to open things makes perfect sense. Rearranging the rest and adding a couple does, as well. This is probably close to, but not the eventual setlist.

Leaves me in something of a bind. I'm trying to decide whether or not to jet down to Mexico City to see them (and Mastodon) in the Foro Sol or not. I'd love to do it, but I kind of think that thirty minutes of Senjustu to start the show won't go over real well down there, and would negate much of what I'd actually be going to attend. Kinda hope this is wrong.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2022, 08:39:51 PM
As the VH countdown will be finishing up here shortly, that means Iron Maiden is next, so if anyone wants to PM me the list of every one of their songs (in chronological order) that I can list in the eventual thread I will start, that'd be awesome.  :)

We have to rank all of them?

Due date?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2022, 09:03:15 PM
Simmer down.  VH has to finish first and then we will have plenty of time for IM.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2022, 09:05:12 PM
Roger that boss.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 21, 2022, 12:49:26 AM
The criteria for the list will be interesting. All studio recorded tracks but no covers or the 1988 versions?

That Van Halen countdown has been interesting, too. I've just never been a Van Halen fan (I've said before that they're much bigger in the US than in the UK, and that has probably factored into it) but I've been playing the tunes as they've been coming up just to see what I'm missing from a consensus top 50. And the answer is really nothing, nothing at all. What a boring, and often tuneless, overrated collection of songs :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2022, 06:56:05 AM
As the VH countdown will be finishing up here shortly, that means Iron Maiden is next, so if anyone wants to PM me the list of every one of their songs (in chronological order) that I can list in the eventual thread I will start, that'd be awesome.  :)

I hope it will be easier to easier to stomach than the VH list. Yikes that went downhill. How many songs are we allowed?

I don't think the excitement level for the VH countdown is near what it was for the Rush or DT countdowns, but not sure how it has gone downhill. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2022, 06:58:59 AM
There was nothing downhill about it. I think maybe Deadeye was referring to the placement of his songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on May 21, 2022, 07:05:40 AM
What TAC said. Many of their great songs belted way below the halfway point. For sure, the excitement has stayed well above average, but once I start seeing great songs barely placing, it was weird for me. It’s like my list was going downhill as the songs got closer to the top of the list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 21, 2022, 08:23:07 AM
My opinion on the YouTube stuff is, I'm only an intermediate level drummer so I love watching drum videos the most. Most of the time drummers are barely shown on the screen during live performances (DT and Portnoy aside) so I like being able to see how all the sticking and patterns are done. The only setting where you can watch an entire performance without constant camera cuts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2022, 08:33:11 AM
My opinion on the YouTube stuff is, I'm only an intermediate level drummer so I love watching drum videos the most. Most of the time drummers are barely shown on the screen during live performances (DT and Portnoy aside) so I like being able to see how all the sticking and patterns are done. The only setting where you can watch an entire performance without constant camera cuts.

Oh I definitely enjoy a great drum playthrough video. I love a lot of the death metal ones, where I might not like the music so much, but the drumming truly leaves me in awe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on May 21, 2022, 07:28:58 PM
I think there's a place for note for note videos, but I kind of doze off with some of those.

Sorry Gaz, but I may have missed the links you posted..


These Indonesian guys are (unintentionally) funny (comically bad?) and have a bit of charm and character to them.

This.

I've posted many links in this and the Hard Rock thread and nobody acknowledges them or comments on them, so I don't bother anymore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2022, 07:48:02 PM


I've posted many links in this and the Hard Rock thread and nobody acknowledges them or comments on them, so I don't bother anymore.

I can't speak for anyone else, but random YouTubers playing famous or classic songs note for note generally doesn't interest me.  Maybe you have to be a musician to get into that kind of thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 21, 2022, 09:08:59 PM
Nobody playing someone else's songs note-for-note interests me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2022, 02:55:05 PM
Well the first show happened, I see someone posted the set list on the fan club website (setlist.fm is not updated as of right now)

Quote

Senjutsu
Stratego
Writing on the wall
Revelations
Blood Brothers
Sign of The Cross
Flight of Icarus
Fear of the dark
Hallowed be Thy name
Number of The Beast
Iron Maiden

The Trooper
The Clansman
Run to The Hills

Churchill’s speach
Aces High

From their twitter:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTYv0s1WQAA5gyq?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 22, 2022, 02:57:29 PM
If you're on Reddit, there's a post in the Iron Maiden sub.  Spoilers ahead (or not since we don't know if it's real):

"Senjutsu Theme"
- Senjutsu
- Stratego
- The Writing on the Wall
- Hell on Earth

"War Theme"
- These Colours Don't Run
- The Trooper
- 2 Minutes to Midnight

"Heaven and Hell Theme"
- Revelations
- Sign of the Cross
- Flight of Icarus
- Fear of the Dark
- Iron Maiden

Encore
- Aces High
- Blood Brothers
- Sanctuary

Frankly, I have a hard time believing a set with none of Beast, Hallowed or Hills



According to a thread on Reddit and setlist.fm, the set list is similar to what I posted last week:


- Senjutsu
- Stratego
- The Writing on the Wall
- Hell on Earth

- These Colours Don't Run
- Revelations
- 2 Minutes to Midnight

- Blood Brothers
- Sign of the Cross
- Flight of Icarus
- Fear of the Dark
- Hallowed Be Thy Name
- The Number of the Beast
- Iron Maiden

Encore
- The Trooper
- The Clansman
- Run to the Hills

Second Encore
- Aces High

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 22, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
What a crap, rehashed, generic and disappointing set that is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2022, 04:14:21 PM
They basically said that they were adding 3 Stratego tracks to the Legacy set, so it cane down to what they’d drop.

According to this it’s FTGGOG, Where Eagles Dare, and …not sure off the top of my head.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 22, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
Evil That Men Do?  Was that played?

Edit: Wicker Man maybe?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2022, 04:23:06 PM
Yes I think so. That might be it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2022, 04:30:40 PM
It's really not that different from what most expected.  Interesting to see Blood Brothers back in the set though.  Didn't expect a swap of older songs (assuming this is a swap for Wicker Man), just figured some of the older would be dropped for the newer.  I think it's a good swap.  They must have read this forum talking about that song becoming one of the modern classic songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 22, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
They basically said that they were adding 3 Stratego tracks to the Legacy set, so it cane down to what they’d drop.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone would be surprised by this. I'm sad that they cut Greater Good and Eagles, but this is about what I was expecting. Glad to see Sign of the Cross and Clansman still in (along with Revelations and Flight of Icarus). And wolfking, I agree that the setlist isn't as good as the 2019 setlist, but it's hard for me to call it generic when 20 minutes is still devoted to Blaze-era material. That's something that, if you asked me prior to first LotB tour, I would have said would never happen again.

Looks like the full list of changes is:

Removed:
Where Eagles Dare
2 Minutes to Midnight
For the Greater Good of God
The Wicker Man
The Evil That Men Do

Added:
Senjutsu
Stratego
The Writing on the Wall
Blood Brothers

Moved:
Aces High from opener to second encore
The Clansman from early in the set to encore
The Trooper from early in the set to encore
Hallowed Be Thy Name from encore to late in the set
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on May 22, 2022, 07:31:47 PM
They honestly should've just axed the LotB tour and done the actual Senjutsu tour instead. Or just mix up the setlist a bit more for fucks sake...why is Blood Brothers the song from BNW they pick when a bunch of those songs haven't been played since 2000? It's already appeared on so many tours
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 22, 2022, 07:42:30 PM
They basically said that they were adding 3 Stratego tracks to the Legacy set, so it cane down to what they’d drop.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone would be surprised by this. I'm sad that they cut Greater Good and Eagles, but this is about what I was expecting. Glad to see Sign of the Cross and Clansman still in (along with Revelations and Flight of Icarus). And wolfking, I agree that the setlist isn't as good as the 2019 setlist, but it's hard for me to call it generic when 20 minutes is still devoted to Blaze-era material. That's something that, if you asked me prior to first LotB tour, I would have said would never happen again.

Looks like the full list of changes is:

Removed:
Where Eagles Dare
2 Minutes to Midnight
For the Greater Good of God
The Wicker Man
The Evil That Men Do

Added:
Senjutsu
Stratego
The Writing on the Wall
Blood Brothers

Moved:
Aces High from opener to second encore
The Clansman from early in the set to encore
The Trooper from early in the set to encore
Hallowed Be Thy Name from encore to late in the set


I'm not surprised but as you mentioned, cutting these two songs hurts the set.  But Bruce struggles with FTGGOG, but both songs added a nice little something in the set.  Really any five of those songs removed downgrades the set IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 22, 2022, 07:59:53 PM
Also surprising to see Fear of the Dark so early in the set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 22, 2022, 08:22:10 PM
I'm not surprised but as you mentioned, cutting these two songs hurts the set.  But Bruce struggles with FTGGOG, but both songs added a nice little something in the set.  Really any five of those songs removed downgrades the set IMO.

I wouldn't trade FTGGOG or Where Eagles Dare for any of the ones they added, but I'd take any of the added ones over 2MTM yet again, and honestly probably any of them over TETMD yet again. It's a downgrade, but not a catastrophic one from my perspective. Once they added Senjutsu, I knew one of the epics had to go, and for me the catastrophic scenario was losing two of them (or losing both WED and Revelations—thankfully, they decided to give 2MTM a rest instead).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 23, 2022, 02:45:17 AM
What you have to remember is that for a lot of people, especially in other countries, this will be the fist Maiden show they have been to, and for many of them it will be the ONLY Maiden show they will ever see. If I were only going to ONE Maiden show I'd want them to play Two Minutes to Midnight. Much as us keyboard warriors complain that they always play the same old songs every tour, when we go to see them, those are the songs that get us punching the air and singing along, and that's why they keep playing them every tour. The point of these "hits" tours was to play the hits, so 2MtM should definitely stay, and When Eagles Dare was a real selling point of this setlist, being a huge fan favourite that has rarely been played, so that should have stayed as well. I hate to say it, but I would have dropped Sign of the Cross. It's a great song and everything, but it's not essential.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on May 23, 2022, 05:46:18 AM
This tour shouldn’t matter to me. I’m excited to see everything but it actually makes me bitterly depressed, because we were meant to see the old setlist in Australia in 2020. We had great tickets, and now they won’t come with any version of this tour. We might get Senjutsu, maybe, but all the great old songs are just forever out of our reach.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2022, 08:38:52 AM
It's hard to say what I would rather have.  I think the Senjutsu song itself is the weakest of the album, so it's not high on my list of live songs to see BUT I haven't seen it.  So in some ways, I'd rather that than any of the songs cut, but I can't say I like that song better than any of the songs cut.  For me, I'd say the biggest let down is that they are playing Senjutsu because it seems guaranteed we'd see that during the Senjutsu tour itself and FTGGOG is a much better long song. 

Having said that, I know others enjoy Senjutsu (the song) more than I do and it also seemed from my experience, that the crowd wasn't into FTGGOG.  My opinion may be of the minority here. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 23, 2022, 08:44:38 AM
FTGGOG was THE highlight of the show for me. That and Sign Of The Cross
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 23, 2022, 09:32:02 AM
Centre front row view of Senjutsu from last night's show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP07rsZiyKM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 23, 2022, 09:58:07 AM
What you have to remember is that for a lot of people, especially in other countries, this will be the fist Maiden show they have been to, and for many of them it will be the ONLY Maiden show they will ever see. If I were only going to ONE Maiden show I'd want them to play Two Minutes to Midnight. Much as us keyboard warriors complain that they always play the same old songs every tour, when we go to see them, those are the songs that get us punching the air and singing along, and that's why they keep playing them every tour. The point of these "hits" tours was to play the hits, so 2MtM should definitely stay, and When Eagles Dare was a real selling point of this setlist, being a huge fan favourite that has rarely been played, so that should have stayed as well. I hate to say it, but I would have dropped Sign of the Cross. It's a great song and everything, but it's not essential.

I think there is such a thing as a balance between "hits" and deep cuts. I don't think Maiden needs to play every single hit every single tour. They're already playing The Trooper, The Number of the Beast, Run to the Hills, Fear of the Dark, Hallowed Be Thy Name, Aces High and Flight of Icarus. That's plenty of songs for the people who just want to hear the hits; it's not going to hurt them to miss 2 Minutes to Midnight.

Sign of the Cross is one of their best songs, and it's probably never going to be played again after this tour. It doesn't need to be stricken from the setlist so that the hits people can hear 9 hits instead of 7.

The one time I've seen them so far, they didn't play Hallowed. Would I have liked to see that song? Yes. But would I have wanted them to play that over Afraid to Shoot Strangers or Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, which they did play? No, those are great songs, too, and I would be happy having seen them and not Hallowed even if I never saw Maiden again. Plus, I did see The Trooper, The Number of the Beast, Aces High, 2 Minutes to Midnight, Fear of the Dark and The Evil That Men Do, so even if I was a hits-only person, I still got to see a lot of material.



My own personal bias is that as years have gone on I've found 2 Minutes to Midnight the most wearisome Maiden hit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 23, 2022, 10:27:49 AM
It's hard to say what I would rather have.  I think the Senjutsu song itself is the weakest of the album, so it's not high on my list of live songs to see BUT I haven't seen it.  So in some ways, I'd rather that than any of the songs cut, but I can't say I like that song better than any of the songs cut.  For me, I'd say the biggest let down is that they are playing Senjutsu because it seems guaranteed we'd see that during the Senjutsu tour itself and FTGGOG is a much better long song. 

Having said that, I know others enjoy Senjutsu (the song) more than I do and it also seemed from my experience, that the crowd wasn't into FTGGOG.  My opinion may be of the minority here.

Not to argue, but just counterpoint, the song "Senjutsu" is one of the songs I REALLY want to see live.  That and Hell On Earth.  Though I don't know if I'd cut Where Eagles Dare or FTGGOG for it, for reasons you state.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2022, 11:02:15 AM
Hell on Earth or The Parchment are the top songs I want to see from Senjutsu.  I definitely expected peolpe to not agree with my take there. I think I'd also take Death of the Celts followed by The Clansman.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 23, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Short but sweet…

Steve briefly reunited with Paul Dianno backstage at the IM show last night.

https://youtu.be/XsLt4RlvQeQ
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 23, 2022, 12:04:12 PM
That's great!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 23, 2022, 01:06:24 PM
Short but sweet…

Steve briefly reunited with Paul Dianno backstage at the IM show last night.

https://youtu.be/XsLt4RlvQeQ

Nice!

Nicko's beautiful new drum kit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAZePHk9zvc&t=823s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 23, 2022, 02:38:02 PM
Never seen Eagles live, so I'm bummed to hear that it was on the list and cut.  Otherwise, it's a pretty good list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 23, 2022, 02:58:03 PM
FTGGOG was THE highlight of the show for me. That and Sign Of The Cross
I agree. At the same time we were one out of 13k or 25k, and in my case the other 24,999 weren't much into it at all. There was a palpable letdown during those two. I suspect it'll be the same during Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2022, 03:03:49 PM
FTGGOG was THE highlight of the show for me. That and Sign Of The Cross
I agree. At the same time we were one out of 13k or 25k, and in my case the other 24,999 weren't much into it at all. There was a palpable letdown during those two. I suspect it'll be the same during Senjutsu.

Maybe not as much since Senjutsu is the opening track and will get a pop just for that.  And yes, no one was into FTGGOG when I saw it besides me.  I even made sure to capture it because I was pretty sure it wouldn't return to the sets although it was one of my favorites.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUIVFE_ycZk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUIVFE_ycZk)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 23, 2022, 05:06:18 PM
Hell on Earth or The Parchment are the top songs I want to see from Senjutsu.  I definitely expected peolpe to not agree with my take there.

Really?  I thought most would actually agree, I certainly do.  Lost World would be my third choice.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2022, 05:11:33 PM
Hell on Earth or The Parchment are the top songs I want to see from Senjutsu.  I definitely expected peolpe to not agree with my take there.

Really?  I thought most would actually agree, I certainly do.  Lost World would be my third choice.

I meant on my take about keeping FTGGOG over Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 23, 2022, 05:29:30 PM
Hell on Earth or The Parchment are the top songs I want to see from Senjutsu.  I definitely expected peolpe to not agree with my take there.

Really?  I thought most would actually agree, I certainly do.  Lost World would be my third choice.

I meant on my take about keeping FTGGOG over Senjutsu.

Agree with that too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 25, 2022, 03:33:23 AM
They absolutely floored me last night in Belgrade. Not only was it my first big concert since the start of the pandemic, but it was in my hometown, my 10th Maiden gig overall and my first experience being in the first row right in front of the stage. As expected and as announced, most songs from the previous leg were still in the set, but I was so happy to see three Senjutsu songs. Also, Blood brothers was a nice surprise. Not to mention Sign of the cross is my all time favorite song.

The performance was amazing. Bruce sounds like he's 30 years old and the guitarists knocked it out of the park. People are complaining about Nicko slowing things down, though. Honestly, I can't bring myself to complaining about anything. I am happy that we get to see any shows at all. I am happy that all band members survived two years of covid. I do not take any of it for granted.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2022, 04:20:29 AM
They absolutely floored me last night in Belgrade. Not only was it my first big concert since the start of the pandemic, but it was in my hometown, my 10th Maiden gig overall and my first experience being in the first row right in front of the stage. As expected and as announced, most songs from the previous leg were still in the set, but I was so happy to see three Senjutsu songs. Also, Blood brothers was a nice surprise. Not to mention Sign of the cross is my all time favorite song.

The performance was amazing. Bruce sounds like he's 30 years old and the guitarists knocked it out of the park. People are complaining about Nicko slowing things down, though. Honestly, I can't bring myself to complaining about anything. I am happy that we get to see any shows at all. I am happy that all band members survived two years of covid. I do not take any of it for granted.

Good shit mate.  Very jealous.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2022, 08:27:38 AM
Short but sweet…

Steve briefly reunited with Paul Dianno backstage at the IM show last night.

https://youtu.be/XsLt4RlvQeQ

I can't click, but if it's the clip I saw (sent to me by my friend) I couldn't understand a word they said. To me it looked a little awkward, but then again, I couldn't understand a word they said.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
They absolutely floored me last night in Belgrade. Not only was it my first big concert since the start of the pandemic, but it was in my hometown, my 10th Maiden gig overall and my first experience being in the first row right in front of the stage. As expected and as announced, most songs from the previous leg were still in the set, but I was so happy to see three Senjutsu songs. Also, Blood brothers was a nice surprise. Not to mention Sign of the cross is my all time favorite song.

The performance was amazing. Bruce sounds like he's 30 years old and the guitarists knocked it out of the park. People are complaining about Nicko slowing things down, though. Honestly, I can't bring myself to complaining about anything. I am happy that we get to see any shows at all. I am happy that all band members survived two years of covid. I do not take any of it for granted.

That's awesome, glad you had a good time.  Can't wait till October when it's my turn to see them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 25, 2022, 10:46:59 AM
Yeah, on the handful of songs I saw from this tour on YouTube, the band is absolutely on fire, and Bruce's voice is great - not sounding strained at all, as he did on the Legacy of the Beast dates in 2019. Can't wait to see them in Toronto! I usually avoid arenas and big stages at this point - too expensive, you barely see anything, and security sucks. But Maiden is one of the very few bands I'll open an exception for. They're playing the Scotiabank Arena in Toronto, and it will be my first time at that venue.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 26, 2022, 03:28:17 PM
Stole this from a Reddit thread.  Name the Iron Maiden songs depicted by these photos (hint:  the one that will immediately call to mind Stranger in a Strange Land isn't that song).

(https://preview.redd.it/ru17rcvc3m191.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=69a6606ce804406be20125b33c3c79837d008eb4)

(https://preview.redd.it/1t1n41vwm8191.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ede271fa58ac6871e532373fe01da6cad8771734)

(https://i.redd.it/vqk0aoykct191.png)

(https://preview.redd.it/t955tngj5f191.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a44e63f6d0e5b5cbbe1b8ea870eebd375cc7c9d1)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2022, 06:24:45 PM
El Dorado
Caught Somewhere in Time
To Tame A Land
Stranger In A Strang Land

?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 26, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
Babe Ruth in space= "Just a babe in a black abyss...."   REVELATIONS?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
Babe Ruth in space= "Just a babe in a black abyss...."   REVELATIONS?!


Nice!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 26, 2022, 07:50:50 PM
No brave new world! = Stranger in a strange land????

Down the south to Italy= Murders in the Rue Morgue?!!!

Babe Ruth= Revelations. (Just a Babe in a black abyss).

Saloon pic with the Smokey and the bandits has to be Aces High? This is so effing hard. ?????


Seems to be a play on lyrics. Please do tell????
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on May 26, 2022, 08:06:27 PM
Saloon pic with the bandits has to be Aces High? This is so effing hard. ?????
The clock says 8 o'clock. This has to be it. I was looking at them each as specific bandits rather than bandits in general.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 26, 2022, 08:08:38 PM
Saloon pic with the bandits has to be Aces High? This is so effing hard. ?????
The clock says 8 o'clock. This has to be it. I was looking at them each as specific bandits rather than bandits in general.

I'm writing clues of each picture then running through CD lyrics? The ones i named make sense, maybe. Lol!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2022, 08:19:20 PM
Babe Ruth in space= "Just a babe in a black abyss...."   REVELATIONS?!

Ah nice. 

I thought maybe the pictures depicted the song titles not a lyric, apart from the last one which would be wrong.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 26, 2022, 08:43:27 PM
Babe Ruth in space= "Just a babe in a black abyss...."   REVELATIONS?!

Ah nice. 

I thought maybe the pictures depicted the song titles not a lyric, apart from the last one which would be wrong.

No brave new world being stranger in a strange land makes sense for that one. I can't wait to see the correct answers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2022, 08:44:40 PM
I think you nailed Rue Morgue too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 26, 2022, 08:46:27 PM
I saw a lot of these on reddit when they were originally posted, so I can confirm that Revelations, Murders in the Rue Morgue and Stranger in a Strange Land are right. Never saw the first one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 26, 2022, 08:53:17 PM
I saw a lot of these on reddit when they were originally posted, so I can confirm that Revelations, Murders in the Rue Morgue and Stranger in a Strange Land are right. Never saw the first one.

Is reddit a forum or a social media outlet.?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 26, 2022, 08:59:36 PM
I'd say it's sort of a combination of the two.

Like a forum, it's largely anonymous and communities form around discussing shared interests (reddit is full of "subreddits" focused around different topics that you subscribe to; these puzzles were posted on the /r/IronMaiden subreddit). Although, in my experience, they tend to be quite impersonal compared to forum communities. I've never really gotten to know someone on reddit to the extent I've gotten to know plenty of people on DTF.

Like a social media outlet, it only shows you recent (from the last day or two) content/threads unless you actively go searching for older ones, and popular content (as determined by "upvotes," which are basically likes) is more prominent.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2022, 09:27:52 PM
Is the first one The Apparition?

'In a room full of strangers, do you stand with your back to the wall'
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 27, 2022, 03:08:48 PM
Is the final verdict in on this?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2022, 07:04:36 AM
The more I listen, the more I think A Matter of Life and Death is a top 5 album by the band (from all eras).

Convince me otherwise.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 07:06:54 AM
The more I listen, the more I think A Matter of Life and Death is a top 5 album by the band (from all eras).

Convince me otherwise.  :biggrin:

You are correct. It is. It is the definitive album of the Reunion Era. Personally, I reach for The Final Frontier first, but AMOLAD is deserving of all the accolades it gets.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 28, 2022, 08:39:11 AM
The more I listen, the more I think A Matter of Life and Death is a top 5 album by the band (from all eras).

Convince me otherwise.  :biggrin:
No need to convince you otherwise. You got it right.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 28, 2022, 08:52:42 AM
The more I listen, the more I think A Matter of Life and Death is a top 5 album by the band (from all eras).

Convince me otherwise.  :biggrin:

Nailed it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 28, 2022, 09:30:29 AM
The more I listen, the more I think A Matter of Life and Death is a top 5 album by the band (from all eras).

Convince me otherwise.  :biggrin:

I disagree, but I won't try to convince you otherwise  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 28, 2022, 10:10:05 AM
Speaking of AMOLAD...from a live perspective, it feels like the band has kind of "forgotten" about it after giving it the album-played-in-full treatment on its tour.

Looking at the stats, For the Greater Good of God was obviously the most played, given it was rediscovered for the Legacy of the Beast tour. But then, for the most part, the songs were played on that tour only. I'm seeing Reincarnation, These Colours Don't Run, and (a little less often) Brighter Than a Thousand Sun/Different World a few more times, but far from being reunion live staples...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2022, 11:47:44 AM
Good to see that many agree with me.  :tup :tup

I think The Final Frontier would be as good if the first half was as strong as the second half.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 11:53:47 AM
I think The Final Frontier would be as good if the first half was as strong as the second half.

So my impression of the Reunion albums was that they built upon each other. I liked AMOLAD more than DoD, which I liked more than BNW.
I had no idea how they'd top AMOLAD, but I feel they at least equaled it with TFF. I find TFF a bit easier on the ears so I do rate it a tad higher. Remember how TFF is laid out, with all of the short songs in the front and the longer ones in the back. I'm not sure that was the wisest decision they've made and I think it hurts the overall perception of the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2022, 12:02:52 PM
I supposed that does make it a bit lopsided, but even if they tweaked the running order, I think most of the best songs would still be the longer songs (except for the opener).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 12:04:12 PM
I supposed that does make it a bit lopsided, but even if they tweaked the running order, I think most of the best songs would still be the longer songs (except for the opener).

Definitely, though I think Coming Home is one of their best songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2022, 12:05:31 PM
I supposed that does make it a bit lopsided, but even if they tweaked the running order, I think most of the best songs would still be the longer songs (except for the opener).

Definitely, though I think Coming Home is one of their best songs.

My 2nd rankings engine list has it at their 42nd best song :P, but I suspect I will do another one or two before finalizing it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 12:08:56 PM
I have it a lot higher, but this is a strong catalog. I'm going to find it hard to look some people in the eye with the songs I left off of my list. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2022, 12:15:40 PM
I still can't decide which is better, The Nomad or Dream of Mirrors.

On the first list, The Nomad was a tad higher.

On the second one, Dream of Mirrors was a tad higher.

Who knows how the next ones will look.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
I still can't decide which is better, The Nomad or Dream of Mirrors.

The choice has always been clear for me. The other one is an amazing track that has just never stuck.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 28, 2022, 03:37:25 PM
The more I listen, the more I think A Matter of Life and Death is a top 5 album by the band (from all eras).

Convince me otherwise.  :biggrin:

I can definitely see the argument. Two major tweaks for me would be to remove the repetitiveness of the choruses of TLD and FTGGOG; and maybe reduce the number of quiet intros/outros by a couple.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 28, 2022, 03:41:44 PM
I think The Final Frontier would be as good if the first half was as strong as the second half.

I think it would be good if it was more like A Matter of Life and Death.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 03:43:29 PM
I think The Final Frontier would be as good if the first half was as strong as the second half.

I think it would be good if it was more like A Matter of Life and Death.  :)

It is exactly like AMOLAD. I don't see the difference. One album is considerably darker, but songwise they are twins.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 28, 2022, 03:50:35 PM
I tried HARD, many times, but failed to connect with Final Frontier. Don't know why, but to my ears the band sounds tired  on this album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 03:57:33 PM
I tried HARD, many times, but failed to connect with Final Frontier. Don't know why, but to my ears the band sounds tired  on this album.

Well, it's only my opinion, but I think that's for two reasons.

1. The material, other than the running order is virtually identical to AMOLAD. BNW, DoD, and AMOLAD were all different from each other. But TFF and AMOLAD don't have a lot of separation in variety from each other.

2. AMOLAD feels like it has an overarching theme to it, a cohesiveness, that TFF doesn't have.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 28, 2022, 04:05:27 PM
You're on to something, TAC. Every time I listen to it, when "The Man Who Would Be King" ends I think "yeah, that was kind of a tired song, but I'm glad it's over". Then "Wild Wind Blows" comes up and I'm like "what???!!?! Another slow song?" Add to that the fact that El Dorado is the worst single from any Bruce-fronted Maiden release, a bunch of other songs sound like rehashed ideas, and the mix is not that great...and voila. I think it's worse than No Prayer and Fear of the Dark, honestly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 04:07:21 PM
I think it's worse than No Prayer and Fear of the Dark, honestly.

Wow!

Fear Of The Dark is their most underrated album IMO. It's easily 8 songs deep.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 28, 2022, 04:50:45 PM
AMoLaD was my first new album after becoming a fan, so there is that for me. On the heels of that album, and buying the entire back catalog, I was full steam ahead with them, and for reasons I can't explain well, I found TFF underwhelming.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 28, 2022, 05:04:01 PM
Listened to AMOLAD in full today, and it is indeed a very, very good album. But, talking about reunion albums, I just find myself enjoying Dance of Death and Brave New World more, as a whole.

If I had to rank them today, I'd say DoD and BNW lead the way, then AMOLAD, then Senjutsu and Final Frontier are battling it out. FF is one album that grew on me a TON since it came out. I'd say my least favorite of the five is The Book of Souls (although there's plenty to enjoy in there).

Wow!

Fear Of The Dark is their most underrated album IMO. It's easily 8 songs deep.

Hm...I have some good memories related to Fear of the Dark (I've gotten into Maiden around the time it came out), but I don't know if I'd call it underrated. There are some good tunes in there, but a lot filler too, imo. And I don't like the way it sounds at all.

Out of curiosity - what would be your 8 songs...?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Hm...I have some good memories related to Fear of the Dark (I've gotten into Maiden around the time it came out), but I don't know if I'd call it underrated. There are some good tunes in there, but a lot filler too, imo. And I don't like the way it sounds at all.

Out of curiosity - what would be your 8 songs...?


Be Quick Or Be Dead
Afraid To Shoot Strangers
Fear Is the Key
Childhood's End
Wasting Love
The Fugitive
Judas Be My Guide
Fear Of the Dark


I expect all except The Fugitive to appear in my Top 75.



I say underrated because most people rate it pretty poorly. i remember it coming out and it being 10 times more powerful than No Prayer. It was their first album in the CD age, so at 12 tracks, they typically would've weeded out a couple of extras. You could add in From Here To Eternity and Chains Of Misery to round out a pretty good 10 track album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 28, 2022, 05:20:29 PM
I think it's worse than No Prayer and Fear of the Dark, honestly.

Wow!

Fear Of The Dark is their most underrated album IMO. It's easily 8 songs deep.

Absolutely agree. Fear Is The Key is one of my faves.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 05:21:41 PM
I love Fear Is The Key. Bruce's vocal tribute to Ian Gillan.
Kind of progressive, actually.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 28, 2022, 05:23:45 PM
I love Fear Is The Key. Bruce's vocal tribute to Ian Gillan.
Kind of progressive, actually.

Total prog moment in that song! Very tasty!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 28, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
Hm...I have some good memories related to Fear of the Dark (I've gotten into Maiden around the time it came out), but I don't know if I'd call it underrated. There are some good tunes in there, but a lot filler too, imo. And I don't like the way it sounds at all.

Out of curiosity - what would be your 8 songs...?


Be Quick Or Be Dead
Afraid To Shoot Strangers
Fear Is the Key
Childhood's End
Wasting Love
The Fugitive
Judas Be My Guide
Fear Of the Dark


I expect all except The Fugitive to appear in my Top 75.



I say underrated because most people rate it pretty poorly. i remember it coming out and it being 10 times more powerful than No Prayer. It was their first album in the CD age, so at 12 tracks, they typically would've weeded out a couple of extras. You could add in From Here To Eternity and Chains Of Misery to round out a pretty good 10 track album.

Yeah, I guess on average now people don't rate it super-high now...I do however remember it was received quite well when it came out (at least in Italy/Europe), based on the reactions I witnessed myself, and in magazines at the time. As for me, I enjoy it better than No Prayer, and it arguably has 2-3 songs that have become well established in their live sets.

Of the songs you mention, I no doubt agree with Be Quick or Be Dead, Afraid, Judas Be My Guide and Fear of the Dark..

...as for the rest, Fear is the Key is kinda cool, Wasting Love was something a little different for them and I enjoyed it back then, and Childhood's End starts very promising (with that tom-heavy drum pattern weirdly reminding me of early Marillion), but I feel it doesn't quite deliver on that promise. All fine Maiden songs, but nothing that truly stuck with me over time (and unlikely to find their way in my top 75). The Fugitive is just ok...

Anyway, again, despite being more towards the bottom of my Maiden rankings, FOTD is an album I have some fondness for, clunkers and all  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2022, 06:03:05 PM
Childhood's End is the one song that surprised me the most when it came to the Ranker. It just kept beating whatever it was put up against.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 28, 2022, 06:20:33 PM
Childhood's End is the one song that surprised me the most when it came to the Ranker. It just kept beating whatever it was put up against.

Yep, damn underrated.  That solo section is incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 28, 2022, 08:28:17 PM
I listened to FOTD again not too long ago, and it was clear to me they were trying to appeal to a new generation. The songwriting changed, and the mix and tone of the instruments as well. I particularly did not enjoy Nicko's drum sound in it at the time. But I think it aged quite well, and if they didn't feel the need - like ALL bands did at the time - to fill a whole CD with 12 songs, that album could have had a better place in the fans' hearts. Get rid of Apparition, Weekend Warrior and maybe Chains of Misery for example, and you have a much better album. Seventh Son and No Prayer had 43 minutes, Fear of the Dark has close to an hour of music. Way too much, and it's harder to maintain the quality with such a steep increase.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 28, 2022, 08:29:55 PM
Yeah I don’t understand why they felt the need to include The Apparition and Weekend Warrior. Without them it would be pretty great imo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2022, 08:52:42 PM
I am working to give Fear of the Dark a fresh listen to see if maybe there is a bit more than I thought at first, but while Be Quick or Be Dead is good musically, why does Bruce spend the whole song trying to sound like Angus Young? I can't get past how annoying the vocals are in that one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 28, 2022, 09:04:02 PM
while Be Quick or Be Dead is good musically, why does Bruce spend the whole song trying to sound like Angus Young?

His voice sounds like a guitar? :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2022, 09:11:14 PM
Sorry :lol, Brian Johnson.

I am not hearing it with these other songs except Afraid to Shoot Strangers, which does seem fairly good, so I will likely snag that for my collection.  Fear is the Key was pretty forgettable, Childhood's End is kinda blah despite that good instrumental section, and that chorus in The Fugitive is a travesty.  Oof, how did they determine a chorus that lame was worthy?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 28, 2022, 09:23:25 PM
No brave new world! = Stranger in a strange land????

Down the south to Italy= Murders in the Rue Morgue?!!!

Babe Ruth= Revelations. (Just a Babe in a black abyss).

Saloon pic with the Smokey and the bandits has to be Aces High? This is so effing hard. ?????


Seems to be a play on lyrics. Please do tell????

Boom...4 for 4.

Sorry for the delay.  I was out of action yesterday and most of today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 28, 2022, 09:29:13 PM
Sorry :lol, Brian Johnson.

I am not hearing it with these other songs except Afraid to Shoot Strangers, which does seem fairly good, so I will likely snag that for my collection.  Fear is the Key was pretty forgettable, Childhood's End is kinda blah despite that good instrumental section, and that chorus in The Fugitive is a travesty.  Oof, how did they determine a chorus that lame was worthy?

Bruce's style changed in No Prayer, he started to sing with a raspier voice. His option at the time, it seems...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 28, 2022, 10:53:51 PM
while Be Quick or Be Dead is good musically, why does Bruce spend the whole song trying to sound like Angus Young?

His voice sounds like a guitar? :P


 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 29, 2022, 02:34:32 AM
I am working to give Fear of the Dark a fresh listen to see if maybe there is a bit more than I thought at first, but while Be Quick or Be Dead is good musically, why does Bruce spend the whole song trying to sound like Angus Young? I can't get past how annoying the vocals are in that one.

It's a mess of an album, imo, and Bruce's approach was only one of a handful of issues with it.  :lol

Judas Be My Guide is classic Maiden, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on May 29, 2022, 03:12:11 AM
I am working to give Fear of the Dark a fresh listen to see if maybe there is a bit more than I thought at first, but while Be Quick or Be Dead is good musically, why does Bruce spend the whole song trying to sound like Angus Young? I can't get past how annoying the vocals are in that one.

It's a mess of an album, imo, and Bruce's approach was only one of a handful of issues with it.  :lol

Judas Be My Guide is classic Maiden, though.

The very definition of a Hidden Gem, this song doesn't get mentioned anywhere near enough \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2022, 03:20:13 AM
I am working to give Fear of the Dark a fresh listen to see if maybe there is a bit more than I thought at first, but while Be Quick or Be Dead is good musically, why does Bruce spend the whole song trying to sound like Angus Young? I can't get past how annoying the vocals are in that one.

It's a mess of an album, imo, and Bruce's approach was only one of a handful of issues with it.  :lol

Judas Be My Guide is classic Maiden, though.

110%.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on May 29, 2022, 06:21:53 AM
You guys probably will be surprised at how high up my list Judas Be My Guide will be when we do the Top 75 countdown :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on May 29, 2022, 06:23:13 AM
You guys probably will be surprised at how high up my list Judas Be My Guide will be when we do the Top 75 countdown :P

Good chance not as high as on my list  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2022, 12:42:55 PM
The boys are back!!

Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son  :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLPOJgDZA0o
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 29, 2022, 01:44:15 PM
Imagine having the luxury of having 07th Son in your back catalogue and deciding NOT to play it on every show. I mean, this would be many band's best song of their entire career!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2022, 03:16:14 PM
You guys probably will be surprised at how high up my list Judas Be My Guide will be when we do the Top 75 countdown :P

You guys probably will be surprised at how high up my list Judas Be My Guide will be when we do the Top 75 countdown :P

Good chance not as high as on my list  ;D

You both may have some competition.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
The boys are back!!

Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son  :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLPOJgDZA0o

Why am I watching this?

His 'ooohhhs'  are wrong and fucking terrible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2022, 03:23:28 PM
Learn the solos properly for fucks sake before you play them live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2022, 07:39:41 PM
Imagine having the luxury of having 07th Son in your back catalogue and deciding NOT to play it on every show. I mean, this would be many band's best song of their entire career!

That is not even a top 3 song from that album.  And that is not sarcasm.  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 29, 2022, 07:41:01 PM
Imagine having the luxury of having 07th Son in your back catalogue and deciding NOT to play it on every show. I mean, this would be many band's best song of their entire career!

That is not even a top 3 song from that album.  And that is not sarcasm.  :biggrin: :biggrin:

How can it be when it's the second best song of the classic era?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2022, 07:44:50 PM
Imagine having the luxury of having 07th Son in your back catalogue and deciding NOT to play it on every show. I mean, this would be many band's best song of their entire career!

That is not even a top 3 song from that album.  And that is not sarcasm.  :biggrin: :biggrin:

How can it be when it's the second best song of the classic era?

That feels like what Doc Brown would call a paradox.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2022, 07:47:22 PM
Imagine having the luxury of having 07th Son in your back catalogue and deciding NOT to play it on every show. I mean, this would be many band's best song of their entire career!

That is not even a top 3 song from that album.  And that is not sarcasm.  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Every post of yours is sarcasm.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2022, 07:54:12 PM
Imagine having the luxury of having 07th Son in your back catalogue and deciding NOT to play it on every show. I mean, this would be many band's best song of their entire career!

That is not even a top 3 song from that album.  And that is not sarcasm.  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Every post of yours is sarcasm.

(https://i.gifer.com/6tW.gif)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2022, 07:54:45 PM
What show is that from?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2022, 07:58:23 PM
Family Ties.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2022, 08:03:27 PM
Oh cool. I love Arnold Drummond.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2022, 08:06:37 PM
Jokes aside, the top 75 is getting me to listen to some of the stuff I hadn't listened to as much since last fall, so that is good. 

Deja Vu was kind of an afterthought for me at first on an otherwise stellar Somewhere in Time, but I am starting to really dig that one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on May 29, 2022, 08:09:48 PM
What show is that from?

It's not important to you Tim.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2022, 08:11:29 PM
What show is that from?

It's not important to you Tim.


Hey!..

Jokes aside
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Postwhore on May 29, 2022, 08:24:02 PM
Boy who cried wolf.  Lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2022, 09:02:21 PM
Boy who cried wolf.  Lol

My ears were burning.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 30, 2022, 05:40:11 AM
Jokes aside, the top 75 is getting me to listen to some of the stuff I hadn't listened to as much since last fall, so that is good. 

Deja Vu was kind of an afterthought for me at first on an otherwise stellar Somewhere in Time, but I am starting to really dig that one.

Yes, there’s no weak moment on SiT (my fave).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 30, 2022, 09:15:10 AM
Jokes aside, the top 75 is getting me to listen to some of the stuff I hadn't listened to as much since last fall, so that is good. 

Deja Vu was kind of an afterthought for me at first on an otherwise stellar Somewhere in Time, but I am starting to really dig that one.

Yes, there’s no weak moment on SiT (my fave).

I think what really helps Somewhere in Time is the production.  It has a bit more air than their other albums, like you are listening to it in the middle of a giant room where that bit of echo and reverb give it a bigger feel, to where it has an almost atmospheric vibe, yet it still rocks its balls off.  That is something I have really noticed with that record.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 30, 2022, 02:17:57 PM
Revisiting some of the reunion albums as additional homework for the ranking (very pleasant homework, may I add)...

Given the discussion a few posts earlier - my two cents on Final Frontier. As I said, I like this album so much more now than I did when it was released. However, it looks like my appreciation of it might be a little different than what I'm reading here. Not a big fan of the opening numbers - neither Satellite 15...The Final Frontier (appreciated the attempt of doing something cool and different with the intro, though) nor El Dorado do a whole lot for me. But then things start getting real interesting. In particular, the run from Coming Home to The Talisman is really, really good. I'll have more to say about the individual songs when the countdown begins in the other thread (assuming they will make it to the aggregate top 75, of course), but there's so much interesting stuff going on in there. The solo section in Isle of Avalon, for example, is SO cool (and different!).

BUT - I can't say I'm in love with The Man Who Would Be King and When the Wind Blows. They have are not bad, for sure, and there are great moments in them, but as overall songs...I don't know, I've never fully connected. So, overall, the album doesn't end on a super-high note for me. I enjoy it very much as a whole, though. It's "colorful" and a bit different.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 30, 2022, 02:55:53 PM
I've just gotten to Somewhere in Time in my discography run. I still really like this album. It represents a big step toward more ambitious, progressive songwriting, with songs like Caught Somewhere in Time, Stranger in a Strange Land and Alexander the Great.

I think this is also the album where, and no offense to Dave, it becomes really clear that Adrian Smith is something special as a guitarist and songwriter. I'd posit that this is the most Adrian-heavy album, and still his best full album worth of work. Stranger in a Strange Land has my favorite-ever Maiden guitar solo, but it's only one of several great ones by H on this record (see: Caught Somewhere in Time, Alexander the Great multiple times). He also has, count them, THREE solo songwriting credits here, which are all excellent songs: Wasted Years, Sea of Madness and Stranger in a Strange Land.



Going back a couple of albums, since I made posts about the first three, but not any of the albums since: I really think there's a bigger step forward from TNotB to Piece of Mind than a lot of people do. First, I know Clive Burr has his fans, and I think he's a good drummer, but to me it just sounds right having Nicko behind the kit. Then, I think the songwriting leveled up quite a bit between those two albums. The whole of side A is just excellent, and I really think the only weak song overall is Quest for Fire.

I also think the lyrics are a step up here. This is the album where they fully enter the now-familiar territory of writing mainly about history and literature, as opposed to a mixture that includes a lot of crime/horror/sex lyrics. With the obvious exception of the dinosaurs walking the earth, I think the lyrics here are better suited to the music and more to my liking.

Powerslave... I remain convinced is a step down. Coming back to this album after years of not hearing it, Losfer Words, Flash of the Blade and The Duelists still just don't do it for me. I think we're past the point where those would be likely to grow on me. The other five songs are really good, and there is still a sense of progression on this album. I just think it's far less consistent than its predecessor.

I'm also kind of over 2 Minutes to Midnight. I still think it's a good song, and I like the instrumental section a lot, but the verses and chorus are just decent. Probably doesn't help that it uses that one riff that every metal band used around this time, either.

Live After Death is an album that I've probably overplayed at this point, but I still think it's one of the best live albums ever made. There was a fantastic energy on that tour, a lot of the songs have more life than they do on the album, and it includes so many of their best songs (especially if you include the extra tracks from Hammersmith).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 30, 2022, 04:14:09 PM
Powerslave... I remain convinced is a step down.

I felt the same way when it was released.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2022, 06:44:40 AM
So a lot to catch up on...

I don't know how you can mention "Fear Of The Dark" - the album - and not mention "From Here To Eternity".  I LOVE that song and I can see it making my list.

I relistened to SiT twice this weekend and I forgot how good it was, and I really recognized how GREAT the guitar playing is on that record.  I always dismissed "The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner" (when I transferred the album to cassette, it got cut and so I've heard that far less than the rest of the album) but while I still think the verses suck and the lyrics are dumb, the guitars in that song are out of this WORLD.  (Though, quick question: did they use that intro melody somewhere else? It sounds so... familiar).

I think there are big differences between AMOLAD and TFF.  I thought AMOLAD was really dense, dark and heavy when I first heard it, and as good as it is (it's grown on me) it's still a hard album to listen to all the way through.   TFF seemed... lighter and more melodic.  I remember hearing it for the first time and being BLOWN AWAY.  I was living in Philly at the time and used to sit on my stoop and drink wine after dinner.  A dude walked by with a Maiden shirt and we got to talking.  Long story short I told him "there'll be a present when you come back" and I ripped a copy of the record, because I wanted people to hear it.  I still think it's one of the better reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 31, 2022, 07:02:01 AM
Yes, TFF is still my favorite reunion album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2022, 08:49:07 AM
I will probably enter my list extremely late. But I entered all the reunion albums and FOTD into my music player so that I could spend the next couple of weeks just getting really familiar with them.

Of all the Bruce albums, FOTD is probably the one I’m the least familiar with. And as previously mentioned, I don’t even own NPFTD… but sometime in the next couple of weeks I will find it online and give it a spin. Maybe I will even pick it up at the local cd shop just because I am a completist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 31, 2022, 03:00:26 PM
I relistened to SiT twice this weekend and I forgot how good it was, and I really recognized how GREAT the guitar playing is on that record.  I always dismissed "The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner" (when I transferred the album to cassette, it got cut and so I've heard that far less than the rest of the album) but while I still think the verses suck and the lyrics are dumb, the guitars in that song are out of this WORLD.  (Though, quick question: did they use that intro melody somewhere else? It sounds so... familiar).

I think there are big differences between AMOLAD and TFF.  I thought AMOLAD was really dense, dark and heavy when I first heard it, and as good as it is (it's grown on me) it's still a hard album to listen to all the way through.   TFF seemed... lighter and more melodic.

I agree with both of these points. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is one of my least favorite songs on the album because I don't care much for the vocal melodies, but the guitars are extremely good. And TFF is amazing.


I ended up also going through Seventh Son of a Seventh Son last night, and I definitely stand by my opinion that this album feels like the culmination of everything they were moving toward over the previous six albums. While I really disagree with the choice to strip their sound way back on the next album, I can understand why Steve might have felt at the time that there was nowhere for them to go beyond Seventh Son. It just feels like a pinnacle. And Only the Good Die Young even feels, knowing the context, like the end of more than the concept.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2022, 05:15:29 PM
I think it is entirely possible that I may over overrating The Loneliness... right now simply because of how great that intro is. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 31, 2022, 05:16:51 PM
I think it is entirely possible that I may over overrating The Loneliness... right now simply because of how great that intro is.

Yeah that intro is absolutely fabulous.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 31, 2022, 05:26:26 PM
I absolutely LOVE The Loneliness...I wasn't surprised how high it is in my (almost final) ranking

But, yes, the whole Somewhere in Time album is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 31, 2022, 05:29:28 PM
Of course SIT is fantastic. It’s the second greatest album of all time after Images and Words. :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 05:34:07 PM
Loneliness might be one of my least favorite Maiden songs. It's just not completely fleshed out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 31, 2022, 05:36:54 PM
Loneliness might be one of my least favorite Maiden songs. It's just not completely fleshed out.

 :o

Wow, really?

I love how relentless it is, and how everybody basically just lets loose...so much guitar goodness...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 05:37:45 PM
That's not to say there aren't a few good parts, but I find the overall song kind of a trainwreck.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 31, 2022, 05:39:11 PM
I think lyrically it’s one of their worst songs but musically it’s one of their best songs. Those melodies are gold.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 31, 2022, 05:39:40 PM
I was mostly shocked at the "one of the least favorites" statement...

But that's the beauty of a band like Maiden!  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 05:46:37 PM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 31, 2022, 05:48:47 PM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.

 Don't You Think I'm a Savior? Don't You Think I Could Save Your Life?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 31, 2022, 05:50:37 PM
I think they probably have less than 5 songs that suck (The Apparition, some VXI songs…).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 31, 2022, 05:52:24 PM
I think they probably have less than 5 songs that suck (The Apparition, some VXI songs…).

Yes.

 And for some reason, even the "songs that suck" in their classic period, I like. Quest for Fire, The Duellists, Gangland etc...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 31, 2022, 05:55:01 PM
The Duellists rules in my book.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 06:19:39 PM
The Duellists rules in my book.


This post rules in my book.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2022, 06:25:50 PM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.

 Don't You Think I'm a Savior? Don't You Think I Could Save Your Life?

My very first thought.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 06:27:25 PM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.


Hmmm.. that's a good question.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on May 31, 2022, 06:51:26 PM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.

The first songs that come to my mind are Holy Smoke and Hooks in You.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2022, 06:53:21 PM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.

The first songs that come to my mind are Holy Smoke and Hooks in You.

These are also good contenders. I might even throw Bring Your Daughter on the pile.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on May 31, 2022, 06:55:55 PM
Yes, Bring Your Daughter is up there too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 31, 2022, 06:56:30 PM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.

No one will agree but, El Dorado.  I hate it.  Bring Your Daughter isn't far behind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on May 31, 2022, 07:03:23 PM
I'll agree. Not a fan at all of El Dorado.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 07:09:27 PM
Bring Your Daughter is fucking awesome except for, well, the Bring Your Daughter lyric. Too bad, because musically, that's a killer track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 31, 2022, 07:09:46 PM
I'll agree. Not a fan at all of El Dorado.

Thank you!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 31, 2022, 07:10:10 PM
Bring Your Daughter is fucking awesome except for, well, the Bring Your Daughter lyric. Too bad, because musically, that's a killer track.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 07:10:33 PM
I'll agree. Not a fan at all of El Dorado.

Thank you!!

I agree.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2022, 07:15:21 PM
If we get 10 reasonable suggestions, maybe I’ll make a poll for IMs “worst song”. I think TAATG wins in a landslide.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: LudwigVan on May 31, 2022, 07:20:16 PM
The Angel and The Gambler.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 07:23:49 PM
My Bottom 10 off the top of my head..


Losfer Words
The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Tailgunner
Hooks In You
Mother Russia
From Here To Eternity
Weekend Warrior
The Apparition
Judgement Of Heaven
The Angel And The Gambler
El Dorado


ok..that's 11


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 07:39:55 PM
There are no slam dunk suck tunes. A worst of Maiden would be extremely conflicting and would probably start a friendly war. None of Tim's bottom 11 suck. TAATG doesn't suck imo.  :corn
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 07:41:02 PM
Kev's Top 75 Thread is going to be nuclear! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2022, 07:42:09 PM
Especially once I play with the numbers behind the scenes to make sure no songs from the Blaze era make the cut. :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 31, 2022, 07:45:06 PM
My Bottom 10 off the top of my head..


Losfer Words
The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Tailgunner
Hooks In You
Mother Russia
From Here To Eternity
Weekend Warrior
The Apparition
Judgement Of Heaven
The Angel And The Gambler
El Dorado


ok..that's 11

I'm not sure we can be friends anymore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 07:47:01 PM
If we get 10 reasonable suggestions, maybe I’ll make a poll for IMs “worst song”. I think TAATG wins in a landslide.

Is it fair to include Blaze tunes? I know its technically Maiden but is it realllly Maiden? Hmmm?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on May 31, 2022, 07:48:07 PM
My Bottom 10 off the top of my head..


Losfer Words
The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Tailgunner
Hooks In You
Mother Russia
From Here To Eternity
Weekend Warrior
The Apparition
Judgement Of Heaven
The Angel And The Gambler
El Dorado


ok..that's 11

Hmm, well at least one huge outlier in that list!

Overall a couple of good choices but seeing that list means a bottom 10 would be pretty tough. I guess when Kev does the top 75 we will get an indication. I predict nearly every song you have listed here appears on at least 1 list in the top 75. And at least one song is a good chance for top 75.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 07:48:46 PM
If we get 10 reasonable suggestions, maybe I’ll make a poll for IMs “worst song”. I think TAATG wins in a landslide.

Is it fair to include Blaze tunes? I know its technically Maiden but is it realllly Maiden? Hmmm?


Yes it's really Maiden. And most people's Bottom 10 are probably all Blaze songs anyway! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 31, 2022, 07:49:19 PM
If we get 10 reasonable suggestions, maybe I’ll make a poll for IMs “worst song”. I think TAATG wins in a landslide.

Is it fair to include Blaze tunes? I know its technically Maiden but is it realllly Maiden? Hmmm?

Wut?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 07:56:04 PM
If Bruce re-recorded the Blaze albums do they rank higher?  :corn
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 08:03:05 PM
And if Blaze rerecords Somewhere In Time does it rank lower? Lets go off the rails here....... If Maiden releases Images an Words live (official bootleg) with Blaze on vocals where does that rank?  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 31, 2022, 08:07:41 PM
If Bruce re-recorded the Blaze albums do they rank higher?  :corn

People seem to think Bruce’s SOTC is better (it’s good, but I personally don’t think it’s “better) so there’s probably something to that.

I haven’t heard Bruce’s version of Lord of the Flies yet. (I think it’s on Death on the Road?) but people probably like that better too.

I stated it earlier, but I still maintain that Blaze’s Afraid to Shoot Strangers is better than Bruce’s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 08:12:09 PM
Wtf, and if Dianno rerecords The Clansman.... :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 31, 2022, 08:21:07 PM
And if Blaze rerecords Somewhere In Time does it rank lower? Lets go off the rails here....... If Maiden releases Images an Words live (official bootleg) with Blaze on vocals where does that rank?  :lol :lol :lol

*imagines Blaze singing I&W*  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 08:23:53 PM
If Maiden releases Images an Words live (official bootleg) with Blaze on vocals where does that rank?  :lol :lol :lol

They'd probably rewrite the chorus..

Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 08:25:46 PM
Wtf, and if Dianno rerecords The Clansman.... :lol

Can we flip both albums with Blaze and Dianno?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 08:26:48 PM
Wtf, and if Dianno rerecords The Clansman.... :lol

Can we flip both albums with Blaze and Dianno?  :lol

Hey, I like both Blaze and Paul.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 08:27:12 PM
If Maiden releases Images an Words live (official bootleg) with Blaze on vocals where does that rank?  :lol :lol :lol

They'd probably rewrite the chorus..

Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon


That would be some Clockwork Orange shit there!  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on May 31, 2022, 08:27:55 PM
My Bottom 10 off the top of my head..


Losfer Words
The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Tailgunner
Hooks In You
Mother Russia
From Here To Eternity
Weekend Warrior
The Apparition
Judgement Of Heaven
The Angel And The Gambler
El Dorado


ok..that's 11

I'm not sure we can be friends anymore.

 :lol

We were just discussing this a few posts earlier...

The Loneliness in the bottom 10 (ok, 11  ;)) is uber-shocking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 08:30:57 PM
Wtf, and if Dianno rerecords The Clansman.... :lol

Can we flip both albums with Blaze and Dianno?  :lol

Hey, I like both Blaze and Paul.

So you would be cool with it? I hope Dianno and Stratton reunite for a Best Of Blaze Era.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 08:32:30 PM
Glasser...you getting baked tonight or what? :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 08:34:16 PM
TAC, This is so therapeutic, I'm laughing my ass off...   :hat :mehlin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2022, 08:45:16 PM
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6a1e2966ad57928f41f487648db05666?rik=SIzJzMFzEzn8bg&riu=http%3a%2f%2frockandrollgarage.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2021%2f01%2fPaul-Dianno.jpg&ehk=NNIQyRiu1tcw2kyHQjfo4bG4PU5UBYhw%2bDzw22c4zo0%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)

Dianno


(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.xQY3GXndlncPKTg-eiNw9AHaH0?pid=ImgDet&dpr=1.5)

Blaze



Uncanny  :lol :lol


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on May 31, 2022, 08:45:24 PM
If Maiden releases Images an Words live (official bootleg) with Blaze on vocals where does that rank?  :lol :lol :lol

They'd probably rewrite the chorus..

Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon
Under A Glass Moon

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2022, 08:51:57 PM
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6a1e2966ad57928f41f487648db05666?rik=SIzJzMFzEzn8bg&riu=http%3a%2f%2frockandrollgarage.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2021%2f01%2fPaul-Dianno.jpg&ehk=NNIQyRiu1tcw2kyHQjfo4bG4PU5UBYhw%2bDzw22c4zo0%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)

Dianno


(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.xQY3GXndlncPKTg-eiNw9AHaH0?pid=ImgDet&dpr=1.5)

Blaze



Uncanny  :lol :lol


(https://media0.giphy.com/media/gkrC5xECBbAbe/200.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 31, 2022, 09:08:57 PM
If Bruce re-recorded the Blaze albums do they rank higher?  :corn

People seem to think Bruce’s SOTC is better (it’s good, but I personally don’t think it’s “better) so there’s probably something to that.

I haven’t heard Bruce’s version of Lord of the Flies yet. (I think it’s on Death on the Road?) but people probably like that better too.

I stated it earlier, but I still maintain that Blaze’s Afraid to Shoot Strangers is better than Bruce’s.

I agree that Blaze is better on AtSS and Sign of the Cross. As for Lord of the Flies (yes, it's on Death on the Road), I think it's the only song where I would say Blaze is WAY better (as opposed to marginally better). It's not bad—Bruce has way too much talent for it to be bad—but that song just needs Blaze's baritone.



I don't think a single Blaze-era song would end up in my bottom ten. A huge chunk of it would come from Fear of the Dark, which I think is their worst album by a wide margin, and then I think the rest would come from NPftD and the Di'Anno era. Here's a shot at it just off the top of my head.

The Apparition
Weekend Warrior
Childhood's End
Chains of Misery
Charlotte the Harlot
Twilight Zone
Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter
The Assassin
Iron Maiden
Hooks in You

Dishonorable mentions would include Losfer Words, The Fugitive and New Frontier.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 31, 2022, 10:43:09 PM
My Bottom 10 off the top of my head..


Losfer Words
The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Tailgunner
Hooks In You
Mother Russia
From Here To Eternity
Weekend Warrior
The Apparition
Judgement Of Heaven
The Angel And The Gambler
El Dorado


ok..that's 11

I think five of those are in my top 75 :biggrin:

Many may not like The Apparition but I love its uniqueness.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on May 31, 2022, 10:43:30 PM
If we get 10 reasonable suggestions, maybe I’ll make a poll for IMs “worst song”. I think TAATG wins in a landslide.

Is it fair to include Blaze tunes? I know its technically Maiden but is it realllly Maiden? Hmmm?

::)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 31, 2022, 11:05:07 PM
And if Blaze rerecords Somewhere In Time does it rank lower? Lets go off the rails here....... If Maiden releases Images an Words live (official bootleg) with Blaze on vocals where does that rank?  :lol :lol :lol

Probably would be better than how James sounds on the Tokyo 2017 version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 01, 2022, 12:01:46 AM
Loneliness might be one of my least favorite Maiden songs. It's just not completely fleshed out.

I agree. That's the song that stops SIT from being my #1 Maiden album. I've never liked it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 01, 2022, 01:23:29 AM
My bottom 10 would indeed mostly be songs from my two least favorite Maiden albums. In no particular order:

The Assasin
Hooks in you
Mother Russia
Childhood's end
The Fugitive
The Apparition
Weekend warrior

Two more songs from VXI I do not care about...

Don't look to the eyes of a stranger
When two worlds collide

And just for good measure, a song from the 80s:

Quest for fire

There are songs from the reunion era I do not personally love, but none of them would be in my bottom 10.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2022, 07:02:01 AM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.

The first songs that come to my mind are Holy Smoke and Hooks in You.

Two of the better songs from NPFTD.  I love the chorus to Hooks In You.

I think "sucks" is a strong word, but if I was to name a song that "sucks", I would say: Quest For Fire or Chains Of Misery
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2022, 07:03:07 AM
My Bottom 10 off the top of my head..


Losfer Words
The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Tailgunner
Hooks In You
Mother Russia
From Here To Eternity
Weekend Warrior
The Apparition
Judgement Of Heaven
The Angel And The Gambler
El Dorado


ok..that's 11

Shouldn't surprise you in the least, but three of those have the chance to be in my top 25 (Tailgunner, Hooks, and TAATG). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2022, 07:04:15 AM
Stadler, it wouldn’t surprise me if ALL of those songs were in your Top 25.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2022, 07:04:59 AM
My Bottom 10 off the top of my head..


Losfer Words
The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner
Tailgunner
Hooks In You
Mother Russia
From Here To Eternity
Weekend Warrior
The Apparition
Judgement Of Heaven
The Angel And The Gambler
El Dorado


ok..that's 11

Hmm, well at least one huge outlier in that list!

Overall a couple of good choices but seeing that list means a bottom 10 would be pretty tough. I guess when Kev does the top 75 we will get an indication. I predict nearly every song you have listed here appears on at least 1 list in the top 75. And at least one song is a good chance for top 75.

I've already said that THREE of them may be in my TOP 25.  And two more - TLOTLDR and Hooks In You - might be in my top 75. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 01, 2022, 07:06:49 AM
A lot of those are great songs though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 01, 2022, 07:08:18 AM
I've always enjoyed Mother Russia, there are some great melodies in that one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 01, 2022, 07:14:14 AM
My bottom 10 would probably go like this (in chronological order):

Charlotte the Harlot
Holy Smoke
The Assassin
Hooks in You
Bring Your Daughter….To the Slaughter
Chains of Misery
The Apparition
The Angel and the Gambler
Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger
Satellite 15…The Final Frontier

Don't Look...has some nice guitar melodies but the whole thing sounds kinda...amateurish...? Even Nicko sounds like he doesn't want to be there, during the solos towards the end  ;)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2022, 07:15:01 AM
Bold statement:

The only song in the Di'Anno/Bayley catalogues that Bruce DOESN'T sing better than the original singer is "Remember Tomorrow" (I hate his "AH-ah-AHHA!"'s).  That's not a dig on either Paul or Blaze -  I LOVE Di'Anno, I really like Bayley - but c'mon.  Bruce is one of the best metal singers that ever lived.  It's not really a fair comparison, because it was live, but seeing "The Sign Of The Cross" on the Legacy tour was transcendent moment for me.  It's one of the moments I was really looking forward to, and it delivered.

Maiden is a singular band; they have a style, they have a sort of... expectation.  Just because you're not the right guy for MAIDEN, doesn't mean you're not a good musician.  Plus, I understand from sources I trust that Blaze is a top notch human being too, which goes a long way.  He just wasn't a good fit for Iron Maiden. No crime in that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Max Kuehnau on June 01, 2022, 07:48:23 AM
He very much is yes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 01, 2022, 09:45:27 AM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.

Twilight Zone
Bring Your Daughter...
Holy Smoke
Hooks in You
Back in the Village (j/k  :lol )

I listened to a couple of Bailey songs for the first time last week (don't recall which ones).  They kinda sucked.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 01, 2022, 10:42:37 AM
Stadler, it wouldn’t surprise me if ALL of those songs were in your Top 25.  :lol

And that is the beauty of Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2022, 10:44:22 AM
Stadler, it wouldn’t surprise me if ALL of those songs were in your Top 25.  :lol

And that is the beauty of Maiden.

Actually, that's the beauty of Stadler.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 01, 2022, 11:10:30 AM
Is it fair to say Maiden do not have any song that flat out suck? I would love some responses. To me they have songs that are better than others but never recorded one that sucks.

Twilight Zone
Bring Your Daughter...
Holy Smoke
Hooks in You
Back in the Village (j/k  :lol )

I listened to a couple of Bailey songs for the first time last week (don't recall which ones).  They kinda sucked.
I'd argue about Twilight Zone (which isn't great, but not terrible) but am in full agreement with the others on your list, plus most of the Blaze albums - especially VXI.
 
 
I've always enjoyed Mother Russia, there are some great melodies in that one.
Agreed - I always associated it to being like a junior version of AtG.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2022, 11:34:08 AM
Stadler, it wouldn’t surprise me if ALL of those songs were in your Top 25.  :lol

And that is the beauty of Maiden.

Actually, that's the beauty of Stadler.  :lol

 :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 01, 2022, 03:44:29 PM
And if Blaze rerecords Somewhere In Time does it rank lower? Lets go off the rails here....... If Maiden releases Images an Words live (official bootleg) with Blaze on vocals where does that rank?  :lol :lol :lol

Probably would be better than how James sounds on the Tokyo 2017 version.

Sadly I have to agree with you. Imagine Blaze singing "If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year
A man must learn to cope
If his obsession's real
Suppression that he feels must turn to hope"  YOWZA!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 01, 2022, 04:34:21 PM
Bold statement:

The only song in the Di'Anno/Bayley catalogues that Bruce DOESN'T sing better than the original singer is "Remember Tomorrow" (I hate his "AH-ah-AHHA!"'s).  That's not a dig on either Paul or Blaze -  I LOVE Di'Anno, I really like Bayley - but c'mon.  Bruce is one of the best metal singers that ever lived.  It's not really a fair comparison, because it was live, but seeing "The Sign Of The Cross" on the Legacy tour was transcendent moment for me.  It's one of the moments I was really looking forward to, and it delivered.

Maiden is a singular band; they have a style, they have a sort of... expectation.  Just because you're not the right guy for MAIDEN, doesn't mean you're not a good musician.  Plus, I understand from sources I trust that Blaze is a top notch human being too, which goes a long way.  He just wasn't a good fit for Iron Maiden. No crime in that.

I pretty much agree with all of this, well said.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 01, 2022, 07:19:56 PM
Bold statement:

The only song in the Di'Anno/Bayley catalogues that Bruce DOESN'T sing better than the original singer is "Remember Tomorrow" (I hate his "AH-ah-AHHA!"'s).  That's not a dig on either Paul or Blaze -  I LOVE Di'Anno, I really like Bayley - but c'mon.  Bruce is one of the best metal singers that ever lived.  It's not really a fair comparison, because it was live, but seeing "The Sign Of The Cross" on the Legacy tour was transcendent moment for me.  It's one of the moments I was really looking forward to, and it delivered.

Maiden is a singular band; they have a style, they have a sort of... expectation.  Just because you're not the right guy for MAIDEN, doesn't mean you're not a good musician.  Plus, I understand from sources I trust that Blaze is a top notch human being too, which goes a long way.  He just wasn't a good fit for Iron Maiden. No crime in that.

I pretty much agree with all of this, well said.

If an MLB team paid me to DH for them today, I would not pass it up. Its on them for hiring me no matter how I perform. Blaze got the gig and did his personal best. Honestly the more I listen to his Maiden stuff the more I dig it for what it is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2022, 07:25:37 PM
Yup, and I feel lucky to have seen them with Blaze.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 01, 2022, 07:30:16 PM
Yup, and I feel lucky to have seen them with Blaze.

So you DO want to see me DH for the Red Sox? You would be lucky to see that  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 01, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
Yup, and I feel lucky to have seen them with Blaze.

So you DO want to see me DH for the Red Sox? You would be lucky to see that  :lol
It would at least be entertaining  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2022, 08:27:05 PM
Yup, and I feel lucky to have seen them with Blaze.

So you DO want to see me DH for the Red Sox? You would be lucky to see that  :lol
It would at least be entertaining  :biggrin:

Glasser would be like John Kruk at the All Star game against Randy Johnson.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 01, 2022, 08:57:04 PM
No way TAC! After the heater over my head I would be in fetal position behind the ump.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 02, 2022, 12:17:08 AM
So…going through the Bruce albums from FOTD to Senjutsu in alphabetical order this week (because that’s how my player stores them and I just go with the flow)

AMOLAD - Every but as wonderful as I remember. Not a dud in the bunch. The hardest part will be figuring out how many of these make my top 75 list.

BNW - This gets my vote for most improved album after not hearing it for awhile. Blood Brothers and OOTSP are still a bit too monotonous, but the rest of the album is not nearly as tiresome as I remember.

DOD - It had very high highs, but also some throwaways as well. I’ll revisit it again, but so far it’s my least favorite of the new material. Paschendale is a huge standout. Journeyman is excellent as well.

FOTD - this is a very different album for Maiden. I can kinda see what they were going for, but it doesn’t always work. I know everyone talks smack about Weekend Warrior…but is it my imagination, or am I getting a hard UFO vibe from that song? When looked at as an homage to what is obviously one of Steve’s biggest influences, you can almost forgive it. At least it’s something different for IM. I guess I like some of the “biker” feel of a couple of the tracks. FHTE leaps immediately to mind. The Fugitive has the classic IM subject matter, and it really SHOULD have been great, but the chorus is really clunky. Still not sure about this album.

Senjutsu - Wow! All I can say is wow! Can’t believe they put out something this good this late in their career. It’s only maybe the third time I’ve spun it all the way through (I’ve been busy) but it’s a really fantastic album.

I just started TBOS today. First couple of tracks are excellent…but my memory tells me the middle of this album sags quite a bit before picking back up with EOTC.

I’ll finish up TBOS and TFF tomorrow and report back.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 02, 2022, 07:01:24 AM
Probably most people have seen these, but some cool videos (2 fan-made) bringing some reunion era tracks to life:

Empire of the Clouds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsM6wpIA3Sc

The Longest Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P7OEK0ODuM

Brighter Than a Thousand Suns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQvv3XiDEmY
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 02, 2022, 12:40:48 PM
AMOLAD - Every but as wonderful as I remember. Not a dud in the bunch. The hardest part will be figuring out how many of these make my top 75 list.
This album is every bit as good as (if not better than) any of the classic Maiden albums in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 02, 2022, 01:25:58 PM
Ok, my foot is in mouth, I'm enjoying the Blaze albums over the past two days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 02, 2022, 03:05:57 PM
I'll see you the Indonesian guys and raise you these kids (who actually do a pretty good job):  https://youtu.be/Ywgtxfxros4
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 02, 2022, 03:23:53 PM
I know everyone talks smack about Weekend Warrior…but is it my imagination, or am I getting a hard UFO vibe from that song? When looked at as an homage to what is obviously one of Steve’s biggest influences, you can almost forgive it.

Dammit, I read this post at 5:15 this morning and it's been at me all day. As soon as I got to work I ran through it 3 times.

I think I'd be stretching big time to say I hear it...but...I'll give you this.

Thinking along the UFO lies, I will say that listening to the intro, the first thing I thought of was the intro to Black And Blue, from Waysted's Save Your Prayers album. It's not exact, or close even....but my mind went right there.
And I think you can kind of get a little Chapman in bits in the solo section.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Letter M on June 02, 2022, 03:57:21 PM
So about two weeks ago, on a whim, I decided to finally dive into some Iron Maiden. Prior to then, my only exposure to them has been Dream Theater covering any of their songs, and of course, their album cover of The Number Of The Beast.

After some research into the band's albums and history, I figured I'd give their first nine albums a spin, and in the last two weeks, I've probably listened to most of them at least twice (mostly their 3rd through 7th albums). Over the last decade, I've really shied away from heavier music, and even drifted away from listening to Dream Theater as often as I used to, so I was never really interested in checking out any of the classic metal bands from the 70s and 80s (though I've always enjoyed what I heard from bands like Black Sabbath, Rainbow, and Deep Purple, who I own several albums of).

My first impressions are pretty positive. I've enjoyed what I've heard so far, and really enjoy the run of Beast-Seventh Son, which I assume is their godly/unequaled 5-album-run that a lot of classic bands seem to generate. They're a bit more proggy than I had thought, especially closing Powerslave with the near 14-minute epic "Rime Of The Ancient Mariner". In fact, I found it very intriguing that a fair number of their songs from this period were 6 minutes or longer!

I haven't heard any of their albums past 1992's Fear Of The Dark, though I did read that Bruce left for two albums, then came back with 2000's Brave New World. I think one part of the reason I enjoy their 80s albums is the production. There's a sound and feel to them that feels very much of the age but I like it that way, similar to a way that Rush sounded in the 80s. It's a bit dated, but very characteristic and adds to the charm of the music.

It's still way too early for me to pick out any favorite albums or song, but as a fledgling Iron Maiden fan, I'm quite enjoying the journey so far. As I began to listen to these albums, though, I recalled I a LONG time ago (at least 10-12 years back), I had bought a used CD copy of Live After Death from a pawn shop, thinking it would be a nice jumping off point to get into the Maiden (which never did happen for me at the time), so in addition to listening to their studio albums, I've also been listening to this live album as well. In fact, I was so invested in it that I took the time to integrate all of the bonus tracks from that album to create a 21-song "complete" version of the album, even re-ordering some of the songs to better reflect the setlists of the era. It's good live album, but the whole "SCREAM FOR ME LONG BEACH" from Bruce got a biiiiit annoying at first. I guess that's part of the charm, right?  :lol  Then I remembered the story of Steve Stone performing with Dream Theater live for his first and only performance and it got me laughing whenever I hear Bruce say it on the live album.  :rollin

Anyways, that's where I'm at with my maiden voyage into discovering this band, which I am sure has been a long favorite for many folks here. Like most of you, Dream Theater was a gateway into many other bands, but for me, they got me into the proggy side of music rather than the metal side, so this is the first time since discovering Dream Theater that I am now also diving into one of their major heavy metal influences (because before, it was always Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, etc., and not Maiden or Metallica). I guess 20 years into my journey with progressive music, it was never too late to get into Iron Maiden.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 02, 2022, 04:00:28 PM
Welcome to the club, Marc! Good to have you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 02, 2022, 04:13:25 PM
Really awesome to hear that you're getting into Maiden! :metal They were definitely proggier than they often get credit for, even in the 1980s. And great to hear that you got Live After Death, which is IMO one of the greatest live albums ever.

I agree that the production on their 80s albums feels dated, but also that it has its own charm. To me, it's far from sounding "generic 80s"—it fits with the character and identity of the band in a more timeless sense.

If you decide to keep going, their most recent six albums (Brave New World through Senjutsu) are the proggiest part of their discography. Put aside what you'd expect for the 12th-17th albums of a typical band: The material here is really good. I'm in a small minority that actually thinks this period is better than their classic period, but a lot of people on DTF (and elsewhere) who don't share my opinion on that nonetheless think that their post-1999 material is really, really strong. The best way to explore that is probably just to start with Brave New World and go forward, but En Vivo! is a really good live release that could give you a sense of their modern sound.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 02, 2022, 06:38:55 PM
So about two weeks ago, on a whim, I decided to finally dive into some Iron Maiden.

Excellent! I'm always a bit jealous thinking about someone listening to these albums for the first time  ;D Amazing stuff!

I think one part of the reason I enjoy their 80s albums is the production. There's a sound and feel to them that feels very much of the age but I like it that way, similar to a way that Rush sounded in the 80s. It's a bit dated, but very characteristic and adds to the charm of the music.

-Marc.

Love the sound of 80s Maiden! Speaking of which - I'd be curious to hear from the fans here which of those albums is the favorite, sound-wise. I think I might go for Piece of Mind. Great sounding record, for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 02, 2022, 07:07:50 PM
So about two weeks ago, on a whim, I decided to finally dive into some Iron Maiden.

Excellent! I'm always a bit jealous thinking about someone listening to these albums for the first time  ;D Amazing stuff!

I think one part of the reason I enjoy their 80s albums is the production. There's a sound and feel to them that feels very much of the age but I like it that way, similar to a way that Rush sounded in the 80s. It's a bit dated, but very characteristic and adds to the charm of the music.

-Marc.

Love the sound of 80s Maiden! Speaking of which - I'd be curious to hear from the fans here which of those albums is the favorite, sound-wise. I think I might go for Piece of Mind. Great sounding record, for me.

Overall Piece Of Mind is perfect, to me. Great start!!!! TNOTB should be next imo.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 03, 2022, 01:00:10 AM
Welcome aboard, Marc! It's never too late to join the Maiden crew.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 03, 2022, 01:03:52 AM
Nice! I remember getting into the band around 1999-2000. I had their entire back catalogue to really sink my teeth into. I think Powerslave was my first purchase (I got all the 1998 CD reissues).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 03, 2022, 06:33:26 AM
Marc, for a band as big as Maiden, and as diverse as Maiden, if you really dig in, they wear their influences on their sleeves.  It's the confluence of those influences that really make the Maiden magic.

Bruce is a Deep Purple, Jethro Tull guy at heart.  Harris is a UFO, Genesis, and Deep Purple guy, with some Yes and Thin Lizzy thrown in there.  Murray is a Free, Hendrix and Deep Purple guy.  Smith is a Deep Purple, Hendrix, Johnny Winter guy.  Nicko is a Keith Moon/The Who guy.

They are about as original as they come in that genre, but it's fascinating to me to have listened to this band for 40 years and see/hear the influences pop up here and there.  Being a big Deep Purple guy myself, it's really no surprise that Maiden is, for me, one of the very few bands that never had a "lull" and are still a top band (I think Senjutsu is one of their three best records, period, and they are, along with Neal Morse, the only band I go see every tour, just because). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2022, 09:34:31 AM
Welcome to the club, Marc! Good to have you.

Yup, welcome! And maybe I am wrong, but from reading your posts here, you seem to be more of a prog guy so I think you may come to really enjoy the "re-union" era of Maiden, even more so than the classic era. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Letter M on June 03, 2022, 02:16:18 PM
Welcome to the club, Marc! Good to have you.

Thanks! It's interesting discovering a "new band" at my age and so long into my journey into music as an art rather than background noise, even if this new band has been around for over 40 years.

Really awesome to hear that you're getting into Maiden! :metal They were definitely proggier than they often get credit for, even in the 1980s. And great to hear that you got Live After Death, which is IMO one of the greatest live albums ever.

I agree that the production on their 80s albums feels dated, but also that it has its own charm. To me, it's far from sounding "generic 80s"—it fits with the character and identity of the band in a more timeless sense.

If you decide to keep going, their most recent six albums (Brave New World through Senjutsu) are the proggiest part of their discography. Put aside what you'd expect for the 12th-17th albums of a typical band: The material here is really good. I'm in a small minority that actually thinks this period is better than their classic period, but a lot of people on DTF (and elsewhere) who don't share my opinion on that nonetheless think that their post-1999 material is really, really strong. The best way to explore that is probably just to start with Brave New World and go forward, but En Vivo! is a really good live release that could give you a sense of their modern sound.

That's promising to hear, that their later work is just as progressive, if not more so than their classic era. I guess I have a lot to look forward to as I venture through their discography!

So about two weeks ago, on a whim, I decided to finally dive into some Iron Maiden.

Excellent! I'm always a bit jealous thinking about someone listening to these albums for the first time  ;D Amazing stuff!

I think one part of the reason I enjoy their 80s albums is the production. There's a sound and feel to them that feels very much of the age but I like it that way, similar to a way that Rush sounded in the 80s. It's a bit dated, but very characteristic and adds to the charm of the music.

-Marc.

Love the sound of 80s Maiden! Speaking of which - I'd be curious to hear from the fans here which of those albums is the favorite, sound-wise. I think I might go for Piece of Mind. Great sounding record, for me.

80s Maiden is very good, especially musically. Bruce is great, too, but his voice takes a bit of getting used to at times, but everyone else in the band is on fire on their classic albums. I'm sure they've only gotten better with age and experience!

Welcome aboard, Marc! It's never too late to join the Maiden crew.  :tup

Thanks, I appreciate that!

Nice! I remember getting into the band around 1999-2000. I had their entire back catalogue to really sink my teeth into. I think Powerslave was my first purchase (I got all the 1998 CD reissues).

Powerslave is one that I've been enjoying a lot so far. I think of their 80s albums, it might be my favorite at this point, but I'm still diving into them and haven't gotten more than a dozen spins into each of them, but as it stands, it's coming out ahead of the others, even TNOTB.

Marc, for a band as big as Maiden, and as diverse as Maiden, if you really dig in, they wear their influences on their sleeves.  It's the confluence of those influences that really make the Maiden magic.

Bruce is a Deep Purple, Jethro Tull guy at heart.  Harris is a UFO, Genesis, and Deep Purple guy, with some Yes and Thin Lizzy thrown in there.  Murray is a Free, Hendrix and Deep Purple guy.  Smith is a Deep Purple, Hendrix, Johnny Winter guy.  Nicko is a Keith Moon/The Who guy.

They are about as original as they come in that genre, but it's fascinating to me to have listened to this band for 40 years and see/hear the influences pop up here and there.  Being a big Deep Purple guy myself, it's really no surprise that Maiden is, for me, one of the very few bands that never had a "lull" and are still a top band (I think Senjutsu is one of their three best records, period, and they are, along with Neal Morse, the only band I go see every tour, just because). 

Yeah, I definitely hear some Deep Purple and a bit of Yes in their music, which is awesome. I honestly had no idea that their influences were as proggy as they are/were. It's cool to hear that their later works are just as good and well-reviewed by fans as their earlier work. It's great when a band can hold on to their talent and fans that long!

Welcome to the club, Marc! Good to have you.

Yup, welcome! And maybe I am wrong, but from reading your posts here, you seem to be more of a prog guy so I think you may come to really enjoy the "re-union" era of Maiden, even more so than the classic era. 

Yep, I am definitely more of the "prog" in "prog metal" when it came to discovering Dream Theater nearly two decades ago. I never really got into the purely metal/heavy metal aspect of their music, despite Train Of Thought being their most recent studio album when I got into them, and subsequently loving it, but now that I am going back and listening to Iron Maiden, I hear a LOT of what DT was influenced by. As said above, I guess I've got more to look forward to in the back half of their career if they've gotten even proggier than their 80s material, so I can't wait to listen to those albums next!

Thanks, everyone, for all the replies and responses, and suggestions as well! I wasn't sure how I was going to receive listening to Iron Maiden, but all my expectations were blown away. I won't immediately say "where have they been all my life", but I do wonder what my music journey might have been like had I ventured into listening to Iron Maiden back in the early 2000s more so than the proggy influences of Dream Theater (Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd). I guess better late than never, right?  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 03, 2022, 03:03:10 PM
Honestly I think The X Factor just might be my 5th favorite Maiden album. :o
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 03, 2022, 03:28:21 PM
Honestly I think The X Factor just might be my 5th favorite Maiden album. :o

Love it! That's the beauty of Maiden!!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 03, 2022, 06:55:10 PM
Deeper into my reunion dive.

The Book of Souls was pretty much as I remembered…though the sag in the middle wasn’t as bad as I thought. It’s been like what’s been said here. Nothing is “bad”, but some stuff comes across as just typical and others are standouts. I do think that TBOS and DOD are probably the two weakest reunion albums.

Getting to The Final Frontier, I’m really having a difficult time figuring out why El Dorado is so controversial. I don’t quite think it’s the A-list song that Bosk thinks it is, but I do lean more in his direction than the host of people who have tried to say how terrible it is. As far as “track 2 from the reunion albums” go, I think Rainmaker is far more bland than El Dorado.

And I’ll even concede that the album does end a bit like Return of the King (“Wait…is it over? Oh good there’s more. Oh but now I’m sure it’s over…oh wait there’s still more. Ok but THAT was a great ending…oh wait there’s more??? etc etc) But I love Return of the King as well, so I think it works.

After 1 listen through them all, I definitely bump BNW up the list

AMOLAD
Senjutsu
TFF
BNW
TBOS
DOD

More adjustments may still come.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2022, 07:10:08 PM

AMOLAD
Senjutsu
TFF
BNW
TBOS
DOD

What an absolutely epic run of albums.


I'm actually listening to TBOS right now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 03, 2022, 07:11:43 PM
Deeper into my reunion dive.

The Book of Souls was pretty much as I remembered…though the sag in the middle wasn’t as bad as I thought. It’s been like what’s been said here. Nothing is “bad”, but some stuff comes across as just typical and others are standouts. I do think that TBOS and DOD are probably the two weakest reunion albums.

Getting to The Final Frontier, I’m really having a difficult time figuring out why El Dorado is so controversial. I don’t quite think it’s the A-list song that Bosk thinks it is, but I do lean more in his direction than the host of people who have tried to say how terrible it is. As far as “track 2 from the reunion albums” go, I think Rainmaker is far more bland than El Dorado.

And I’ll even concede that the album does end a bit like Return of the King (“Wait…is it over? Oh good there’s more. Oh but now I’m sure it’s over…oh wait there’s still more. Ok but THAT was a great ending…oh wait there’s more??? etc etc) But I love Return of the King as well, so I think it works.

After 1 listen through them all, I definitely bump BNW up the list

AMOLAD
Senjutsu
TFF
BNW
TBOS
DOD

More adjustments may still come.
Swap Senjutsu and Book of Souls and that would be my reunion ranking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2022, 07:18:51 PM
AMOLAD
Senjutsu
TFF
BNW
TBOS
DOD
Swap Senjutsu and Book of Souls and that would be my reunion ranking.

Wow! Other than Empire, I find the second disc of TBOS kind of useless.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 03, 2022, 07:22:45 PM
AMOLAD
Senjutsu
TFF
BNW
TBOS
DOD
Swap Senjutsu and Book of Souls and that would be my reunion ranking.

Wow! Other than Empire, I find the second disc of TBOS kind of useless.

Same.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 03, 2022, 07:23:28 PM
And I’ll even concede that the album does end a bit like Return of the King (“Wait…is it over? Oh good there’s more. Oh but now I’m sure it’s over…oh wait there’s still more. Ok but THAT was a great ending…oh wait there’s more??? etc etc) But I love Return of the King as well, so I think it works.

 :lol

Sorry, I had to quote this...it had me laugh pretty hard. That's SO true. You pretty much had people at the theater getting up once or twice thinking the end credits were about to roll  :rollin

(Love the movie too, btw)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2022, 07:29:42 PM
The Book Of Souls is the only Reunion albums that wasn't at least equal to or greater than its predecessor.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 03, 2022, 07:31:13 PM
AMOLAD
Senjutsu
TFF
BNW
TBOS
DOD
Swap Senjutsu and Book of Souls and that would be my reunion ranking.

Wow! Other than Empire, I find the second disc of TBOS kind of useless.

Same.

Yeah, BoS is my least favorite of the reunion albums. I do enjoy it, actually, but it could use some trimming, for sure. I actually don't mind Death or Glory and Shadows of the Valley (Wasted Years homage notwithstanding  ;)). But Tears of a Clown and The Man of Sorrows don't do a whole lot for me. Empire of the Clouds is very good and there are truly fantastic moments in it, although I feel there was excessive hype around it, due to "OMG, it's the longest Maiden song evah!"

On Disc 1, I'm not in love with When The River Runs Deep, and I like The Red and the Black mostly for the instrumental sections. On the other hand, If Eternity Should Fail is one of my favorite reunion songs - when the main riff kicks in...such an amazing Maiden moment...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2022, 07:36:08 PM
Empire of the Clouds Rime Of The Ancient Mariner is very good and there are truly fantastic moments in it, although I feel there was excessive hype around it, due to "OMG, it's the longest Maiden song evah!"

(https://c.tenor.com/xBuK0Ee9m58AAAAC/whoa-glasses-off.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 03, 2022, 07:39:40 PM
Empire of the Clouds Rime Of The Ancient Mariner is very good and there are truly fantastic moments in it, although I feel there was excessive hype around it, due to "OMG, it's the longest Maiden song evah!"

(https://c.tenor.com/xBuK0Ee9m58AAAAC/whoa-glasses-off.gif)

 :lol

I was waiting for it  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 03, 2022, 08:00:31 PM
And I’ll even concede that the album does end a bit like Return of the King (“Wait…is it over? Oh good there’s more. Oh but now I’m sure it’s over…oh wait there’s still more. Ok but THAT was a great ending…oh wait there’s more??? etc etc) But I love Return of the King as well, so I think it works.

 :lol

Sorry, I had to quote this...it had me laugh pretty hard. That's SO true. You pretty much had people at the theater getting up once or twice thinking the end credits were about to roll  :rollin

(Love the movie too, btw)
Then there's the Director's Ultra Extended Cut. I think that clocked in at almost 4 1/2 hours.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 03, 2022, 08:15:39 PM
Only just noticed today for the first time…

Does Nicko say “God I missed him!” at the end of TTLBLAH? I thought that was quite touching.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2022, 08:19:42 PM
Yeah, he says something like that. I think there's an F-bomb in there. Such a great song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 03, 2022, 08:33:27 PM
Only just noticed today for the first time…

Does Nicko say “God I missed him!” at the end of TTLBLAH? I thought that was quite touching.

He says I think 'Oh, I fucking missed it.' 

I think the story is he thought near the end of the song he missed a drum part, but the laughter I think from Steve and Bruce afterwards was that he didn't miss what he thought he missed at all.  I'd have to look it up but something along those lines.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 03, 2022, 08:36:14 PM
Only just noticed today for the first time…

Does Nicko say “God I missed him!” at the end of TTLBLAH? I thought that was quite touching.

He says I think 'Oh, I fucking missed it.' 

I think the story is he thought near the end of the song he missed a drum part, but the laughter I think from Steve and Bruce afterwards was that he didn't miss what he thought he missed at all.  I'd have to look it up but something along those lines.

That would still be funny…but it was sweeter when I thought he was bromancing his returning singer.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2022, 08:38:16 PM
You can still think that if it makes you feel all warm. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 04, 2022, 02:49:43 AM
You can actually hear Nicko continuing to play the drums once the guitars stop. He missed the part where he was supposed to stop. I guess they left it in because of his comment afterwards.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 04, 2022, 03:32:03 PM
Went through Maiden England and No Prayer for the Dying the last two days. Maiden England is a release I haven't paid enough attention to. It's a really good performance, really good setlist (with little that is duplicative of Live After Death—just four songs) and has a very enthusiastic crowd. I enjoyed it a lot.

No Prayer for the Dying remains an album that I mostly enjoy on its own terms, but definitely think of as one of their weakest albums and a huge step backward from Seventh Son. What struck me this time is how much two of the better songs, the title track and Mother Russia, have in common with two of the best songs on Seventh Son, Infinite Dreams and the title track. Maiden, of course, are no strangers to repeating ideas, and it never really detracts from my enjoyment of a song as such, but compared to a lot of their repetitions, it doesn't feel like there's a lot that's new and interesting here. In fact, NPftD and MR sort of just feel like lesser versions of ID and SSoaSS. So there's a strange dynamic on this album where a lot of the songs feel very self-consciously stripped back and rougher, and then a couple of songs just feel like pale imitations of what they did on the previous album.

Of course, NPftD also has a few of their weakest songs. Besides the one about female offspring and the one about devices used to suspend objects in midair, I think The Assassin is notably weak. The verses are pretty good, and I started out this time feeling like I might have misjudged it, but oh that chorus is a major miss.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on June 04, 2022, 04:38:00 PM
But Run Silent Run Deep is the BEST Maiden song about submarines!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 04, 2022, 04:40:34 PM
Run Silent Run Deep rules! Great song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 04, 2022, 05:11:01 PM
Run Silent Run Deep rules! Great song.

It is. And yet it's ranked 139th on my list :omg:

Ranking these tunes is almost impossible. It's an utterly fruitless task. Aside from the final three or four songs, eg Bayswater Blues, there are literally no bad songs no matter what some might have you believe (about the Blaze era), and despite my previous utterances regarding Dance of Death exhibiting a couple of turkeys. Maiden's output is incredibly consistent and really rather astonishing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dave_Manchester on June 04, 2022, 05:17:09 PM
Besides the one about female offspring

That song's actually one of my Iron Maiden guilty pleasures :) I'm a huge fan of the Nightmare on Elm Street films and Bruce's solo recording of the song is used in Part 5. Steve Harris apparently heard it and told Bruce that Maiden needed to re-record it for NPFTD. It's a song that is so gloriously silly it gets my seal of approval. Won't make my top 75 though, not a chance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 04, 2022, 05:20:36 PM
Run Silent Run Deep rules! Great song.

This is easily my favorite song on that album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2022, 06:44:01 PM
Run Silent Run Deep rules! Great song.

It does. Contains the only Maiden mosh part! Great solos in that song too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 04, 2022, 06:45:49 PM
There was an interview where Bruce said Run Silent Run Deep is the worst Maiden song in his opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dave_Manchester on June 04, 2022, 06:49:12 PM
There was an interview where Bruce said Run Silent Run Deep is the worst Maiden song in his opinion.

Apparently Bruce is not a fan of the Somewhere In Time album (per that album's Wiki page), which is by some distance my favourite album of theirs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2022, 06:52:12 PM
Went through Maiden England and No Prayer for the Dying the last two days.

What struck me this time is how much two of the better songs, the title track and Mother Russia, have in common with two of the best songs on Seventh Son, Infinite Dreams and the title track. Maiden, of course, are no strangers to repeating ideas, and it never really detracts from my enjoyment of a song as such, but compared to a lot of their repetitions, it doesn't feel like there's a lot that's new and interesting here. In fact, NPftD and MR sort of just feel like lesser versions of ID and SSoaSS. So there's a strange dynamic on this album where a lot of the songs feel very self-consciously stripped back and rougher, and then a couple of songs just feel like pale imitations of what they did on the previous album.



First off, I have criminally underlistened to Maiden England. That needs to change.


Regarding the two songs you mentioned, I have never made any connection to the previous songs you also mentioned. I thought the "Iron Maiden epic" jumped the shark when I heard Mother Russia. But listening to Mother Russia now, I can definitely see while you'd see that. I just never thought that song was up to snuff.

But I have considered Tailgunner to be a pale imitation of Aces High.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2022, 06:53:17 PM
There was an interview where Bruce said Run Silent Run Deep is the worst Maiden song in his opinion.

Apparently Bruce is not a fan of the Somewhere In Time album (per that album's Wiki page), which is by some distance my favourite album of theirs.

Well, they didn't use any of Bruce's ideas for it. He had in his mind a different direction for that album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dave_Manchester on June 04, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
There was an interview where Bruce said Run Silent Run Deep is the worst Maiden song in his opinion.

Apparently Bruce is not a fan of the Somewhere In Time album (per that album's Wiki page), which is by some distance my favourite album of theirs.

Well, they didn't use any of Bruce's ideas for it. He had in his mind a different direction for that album.

Interesting, I didn't know that. What were his ideas for it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 04, 2022, 07:14:20 PM
There was an interview where Bruce said Run Silent Run Deep is the worst Maiden song in his opinion.

Apparently Bruce is not a fan of the Somewhere In Time album (per that album's Wiki page), which is by some distance my favourite album of theirs.

Everyone went in different directions when they took time off after the World Slavery Tour, When they reconvened, Bruce said "hey, why don't we go on a complete opposite direction and do an acoustic album?". He presented some songs, but Rod and Steve were like "WTF, man?"

Well, they didn't use any of Bruce's ideas for it. He had in his mind a different direction for that album.

Interesting, I didn't know that. What were his ideas for it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2022, 07:18:28 PM
Well, I believe he came in with a lot of acoustic stuff, and Steve clearly wasn't going in that direction.  I don't think Bruce even has a writing credit on it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 04, 2022, 07:21:55 PM
Run Silent Run Deep rules! Great song.

This is easily my favorite song on that album.

Yes, same here. That may be the one thing we agree on when we get into the countdown  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 04, 2022, 07:42:00 PM
Well, I believe he came in with a lot of acoustic stuff, and Steve clearly wasn't going in that direction.  I don't think Bruce even has a writing credit on it.

This is correct. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2022, 07:43:37 PM
Pretty sure one of his ideas would become the beginning of Moonchild.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 04, 2022, 07:45:46 PM
Pretty sure one of his ideas would become the beginning of Moonchild.

Sounds plausible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2022, 07:52:57 PM
Just to go back to No Prayer... I agree, it's likely their worst album. I get it. You simply can't make your fans wait that long, and in those days 2 1/2 years between releases was a long time) and come back with this album.
And you can't even blame Janick. he was brought in the night before they started recording.

But I do want to say that I enjoyed that tour as much as any previous one. Still one of my favorites. I loved the stage with the wall of Marshalls. And the energy Janick brought was incredible. He brought so much out of Dave. And I love the way that setlist was built.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 04, 2022, 08:03:27 PM
My thoughts at the time on the No Prayer album stem from the fact I was devastated when Adrian left. He was my favourite member of Iron Maiden (at that time, probably still is) and I just had no love for Janick at all and the No Prayer album didn't help this. I don't blame Janick for anything to do with the album specifically but it did take me a long time to warm to him being part of Maiden. So much so that when I heard about Bruce and Adrian coming back, I actually hoped that meant Janick was out - so I was still upset he stayed in the band! This seems really weird to say now when I know he has made such an awesome contribution to the reunion era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2022, 08:10:06 PM
My thoughts at the time on the No Prayer album stem from the fact I was devastated when Adrian left. He was my favourite member of Iron Maiden (at that time, probably still is) and I just had no love for Janick at all and the No Prayer album didn't help this. I don't blame Janick for anything to do with the album specifically but it did take me a long time to warm to him being part of Maiden. So much so that when I heard about Bruce and Adrian coming back, I actually hoped that meant Janick was out - so I was still upset he stayed in the band! This seems really weird to say now when I know he has made such an awesome contribution to the reunion era.

I agree with the bolded. I literally know exactly where I was when I read the news in the CMJ Journal, but the blurb also stated that Janick was joining the band, which I was so happy about. Janick was Bruce's guitarist on TM, and I saw him on that tour. I thought that they were at least keeping it in the family.

I'm glad the never booted Janick. I think one the underrated things about Reunion Era Iron Maiden is the off stage chemistry, and I really think Janick is a glue guy for the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on June 04, 2022, 09:31:58 PM
There was an interview where Bruce said Run Silent Run Deep is the worst Maiden song in his opinion.

Apparently Bruce is not a fan of the Somewhere In Time album (per that album's Wiki page), which is by some distance my favourite album of theirs.

Well, they didn't use any of Bruce's ideas for it. He had in his mind a different direction for that album.

Interesting, I didn't know that. What were his ideas for it?

Word is that he wanted to do more acoustic stuff (his reference was Led Zeppelin 3 IIRC). I wonder if he presented them something like Son of a Gun and the fact that it starts out acoustic ticked them off (even though it gets heavy and electric pretty soon).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on June 05, 2022, 01:23:20 AM
There was an interview where Bruce said Run Silent Run Deep is the worst Maiden song in his opinion.

No way. I absolutely love it.

Still, tastes. Bruce also put out Tattooed Millionaire that year, and I always thought that was poop.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 05, 2022, 02:41:09 AM
My thoughts at the time on the No Prayer album stem from the fact I was devastated when Adrian left. He was my favourite member of Iron Maiden (at that time, probably still is) and I just had no love for Janick at all and the No Prayer album didn't help this. I don't blame Janick for anything to do with the album specifically but it did take me a long time to warm to him being part of Maiden. So much so that when I heard about Bruce and Adrian coming back, I actually hoped that meant Janick was out - so I was still upset he stayed in the band! This seems really weird to say now when I know he has made such an awesome contribution to the reunion era.

I agree with the bolded. I literally know exactly where I was when I read the news in the CMJ Journal, but the blurb also stated that Janick was joining the band, which I was so happy about. Janick was Bruce's guitarist on TM, and I saw him on that tour. I thought that they were at least keeping it in the family.

I'm glad the never booted Janick. I think one the underrated things about Reunion Era Iron Maiden is the off stage chemistry, and I really think Janick is a glue guy for the band.
The split happened before I was aware of Maiden however the reunion I remember vividly to this day. I was at a computer in our library at school browsing a news site when I saw the headline that Bruce AND Adrian had reunited with Maiden along with Jannick staying. I printed out the news article and saved it for months. Such an awesome comeback!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 05, 2022, 08:54:34 AM
Happy 70th :omg: birthday, Nicko!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 05, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
Happy 70th :omg: birthday, Nicko!!

Wow, and still destroying shit.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 05, 2022, 07:33:03 PM
Happy 70th :omg: birthday, Nicko!!

Wow, and still destroying shit.  :metal

 :metal Indeed

He's pretty amazing, that way...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 05, 2022, 09:31:32 PM
Hard to believe Nicko is 70.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bobzor on June 06, 2022, 12:42:43 AM
Saw them live here in Finland on Saturday. A few remarks:

- Senjutsu tracks work great live!
- Bruce was absolutely on fire, hitting those high notes without any problems. Tight performance by the whole band.
- In some tracks, it is somewhat noticeable that the tempo has dropped a bit, but in my opinion it just gives the songs a bit more groove and doesn't ruin them at all. Hats of to the 70-year old Nicko for doing a fucking world tour, playing 2-hour shows every other night at that age. We sang happy birthday to him, by the way. And he apparently got a nice snare drum cake made by some local bakery.
- The set list could have been a bit better with more changes, I think continuing with the Legacy brand was a mistake, as opposed to going full on Senjutsu tour. But perhaps they'll do that next year?

Up the irons!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 06, 2022, 06:05:23 AM
I'm glad the never booted Janick. I think one the underrated things about Reunion Era Iron Maiden is the off stage chemistry, and I really think Janick is a glue guy for the band.

A lot of those sharp, monster riffs are actually Janick's, even in the songs he'd not getting a credit for. His soloing is incredible, perfectly off-setting Dave and H. He's never tried to copy them, he's always tried to bring his own thing. There's a lot of hate for Jan in the IM community, but people really don't see what he brings to this band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2022, 06:44:34 AM
Empire of the Clouds Rime Of The Ancient Mariner is very good and there are truly fantastic moments in it, although I feel there was excessive hype around it, due to "OMG, it's the longest Maiden song evah!"

(https://c.tenor.com/xBuK0Ee9m58AAAAC/whoa-glasses-off.gif)

 :lol

I was waiting for it  :rollin

I think TAC is sleep deprived.  Rime is as good as the hype.  Empire is interesting, and I'd love to hear more along those lines, but IMO not one of their more standout tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2022, 06:53:10 AM
Went through Maiden England and No Prayer for the Dying the last two days.

What struck me this time is how much two of the better songs, the title track and Mother Russia, have in common with two of the best songs on Seventh Son, Infinite Dreams and the title track. Maiden, of course, are no strangers to repeating ideas, and it never really detracts from my enjoyment of a song as such, but compared to a lot of their repetitions, it doesn't feel like there's a lot that's new and interesting here. In fact, NPftD and MR sort of just feel like lesser versions of ID and SSoaSS. So there's a strange dynamic on this album where a lot of the songs feel very self-consciously stripped back and rougher, and then a couple of songs just feel like pale imitations of what they did on the previous album.



First off, I have criminally underlistened to Maiden England. That needs to change.


Regarding the two songs you mentioned, I have never made any connection to the previous songs you also mentioned. I thought the "Iron Maiden epic" jumped the shark when I heard Mother Russia. But listening to Mother Russia now, I can definitely see while you'd see that. I just never thought that song was up to snuff.

But I have considered Tailgunner to be a pale imitation of Aces High.

I love Tailgunner; I love how the guitars mimic diving planes.

I am frustrated with Mother Russia; it's got the place of album and the subject matter of an epic, but it's 5:30 long.  It's got great parts, but it never seems to go anywhere.  If there's any song in the Maiden catalogue where they didn't repeat things ENOUGH, it's that one.

I also really like Hooks In You; the lyrics are dumb and Bruce's raspy voice does it no favors, but that's a killer riff.

In listening to SSOASS and NPFTD, I'm amazed that I heard TWO things - one each album - that I totally did not remember:  the acoustic interlude at the end of The Prophecy, and the choral/chant part at the end of BYD...TTS.   And it's not like I haven't heard those songs a brazilian times before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 06, 2022, 11:33:03 AM
Another Tailgunner fan here. Can’t see a thing wrong with it except it’s not as good as Aces High. Also really like Mother Russia, great solo section and Bruce sings without the rasp. My 2 favorites of that album by a long shot. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 06, 2022, 11:48:05 AM
I think Tailgunner is fine musically, although not anything special in the context of Maiden's discography. I don't really like the lyrics. Compared to Aces High, which is heroic, Tailgunner feels at times like it's going out of its way to be crude: "Nail that Fokker, kill that son / Gonna blow your guts out with my gun."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2022, 12:23:26 PM
I think Tailgunner is fine musically, although not anything special in the context of Maiden's discography. I don't really like the lyrics. Compared to Aces High, which is heroic, Tailgunner feels at times like it's going out of its way to be crude: "Nail that Fokker, kill that son / Gonna blow your guts out with my gun."

That's a knock on the whole album.   "Holy Smoke" has a couple clever lyrics, but honestly I feel like rock stars taking shots at preachers is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's low-hanging fruit.  I think "Public Enema Number One" is silly, the "concrete" line in "Hooks In You" is, well, weird, and while it's tongue in cheek, BYD...TTS is also not typically Maiden.  Coupled with Bruce's singing style, it's got a whole different vibe.


 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2022, 12:29:01 PM
Holy Smoke would've been a very fine B-side, which is what it feels like. But the only thing wrong with Public Enema Number One is the title. That's a cool song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 06, 2022, 03:54:31 PM
Holy Smoke would've been a very fine B-side, which is what it feels like. But the only thing wrong with Public Enema Number One is the title. That's a cool song.

It's a brilliant song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2022, 03:57:58 PM
Holy Smoke would've been a very fine B-side, which is what it feels like. But the only thing wrong with Public Enema Number One is the title. That's a cool song.

It's a brilliant song.

It's the Sea Of Madness of the No Prayer album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 06, 2022, 04:20:10 PM
Holy Smoke would've been a very fine B-side, which is what it feels like. But the only thing wrong with Public Enema Number One is the title. That's a cool song.

It's a brilliant song.

It's the Sea Of Madness of the No Prayer album.

I can get on board with that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2022, 07:25:30 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/8f/8c/908f8c9446c06edd06065de681a7392b.jpg)


I love this picture. Has a real Lynyrd Skynyrd style to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 06, 2022, 09:51:19 PM
That's the pic on the Essentials CD set that was my first real serious introduction to the band's material.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on June 06, 2022, 11:41:10 PM
I'm crazy about Tailgunner and slightly resent them for softly alluding to the track with the "Shoot that Fokker" t-shirt design in this tour's merch. Got my hopes up there for a bit.

==========

What do you guys think about the will-they-or-won't-they of them playing Alexander the Great before calling it quits? I'm of two minds about it:

1) Something tells me they'd leave the first lead guitar part in the intro (at the 1min6s mark) to Janick and it'd sound beautiful with him playing. It'd be amazing overall to hear them do it, absolutely. But...

2) I think Bruce is really not that crazy about the lyrics. I've seen people describe it as too... history book-y, and while that doesn't detract from the experience for me, I'd bet it's one of the reasons why he might not be that emotionally attached to it at this point.

Plus, if they were having a hard time with Paschendale on the first leg of the Final Frontier tour, I can imagine they could fumble the instrumental break at the 3min53s mark. Though the burden on that part lies mostly with Adrian and he seems to be well-rehearsed most of the time.

Still think it'd be a hoot if they decided to include it in the set JUST for Athens next month.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 06, 2022, 11:56:20 PM
I do not see them breaking the “if we didn’t play it on the original tour, it’s never being played” rule.

It’s a dumb rule, but Steve still runs the show and I don’t think he’ll ever break from that rule.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 07, 2022, 12:09:17 AM
Sorry, I don't see them ever playing Alexander The Great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 07, 2022, 05:30:20 AM
There is zero chance ATG will ever be played live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 07, 2022, 05:48:41 AM
I seem to remember they did rehearse it but it didn't feel good so they cut it or maybe that was another song?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2022, 06:50:19 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/8f/8c/908f8c9446c06edd06065de681a7392b.jpg)


I love this picture. Has a real Lynyrd Skynyrd style to it.

The Allman's at the Fillmore East in '69:
(https://i.imgur.com/K4Sp8pK.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 07, 2022, 07:25:54 AM
Yeah, I was thinking more Allman Brothers than Skynyrd  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2022, 08:12:31 AM
Ok maybe that’s it then. Allman’s. You all know what I mean though.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 07, 2022, 08:41:37 AM
(https://almondbrothers.com/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Lemon-Roasted-Almonds.png)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2022, 09:07:23 AM
I heard they were nuts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 07, 2022, 10:34:10 AM
Been listening to B-sides a lot. There are some tunes that I'm surprised never made it to actual albums. King of Twilight is one of the better Maiden tunes and was released as the flip side for Aces High.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Bentower on June 07, 2022, 11:06:51 AM
King of Twilight is a Nektar cover though. The album that it was on (A Tab In the Ocean) is a prog rock gem.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2022, 01:29:36 PM
King of Twilight is a Nektar cover though. The album that it was on (A Tab In the Ocean) is a prog rock gem.

Most of the b-sides are covers, even if they are obscure.  I think Burning Ambition and Total Eclipse are the only (serious) b-side songs written by the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 07, 2022, 02:33:28 PM
There are also the X Factor ones: Judgment Day, Justice of the Peace and I Live My Way. Also worth mentioning Virus, which was an A-side, but was not on an album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2022, 03:01:23 PM
There are also the X Factor ones: Judgment Day, Justice of the Peace and I Live My Way. Also worth mentioning Virus, which was an A-side, but was not on an album.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Blaze b-sides are the best IM b-sides.  I actually don't think I like ANY of the cover song bsides that are included on the best of the bsides CDs from Eddies Archive.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2022, 03:05:38 PM
Wow! I've Got The Fire? Rainbow's Gold?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2022, 03:08:50 PM
Wow! I've Got The Fire? Rainbow's Gold?

I forgot about I've Got The Fire.  I like that one alot but that was a Dianno one initially so I forgot about it (although the Bruce version is also really good).  Don't care for Rainbow's Gold.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 07, 2022, 04:18:04 PM
King of Twilight is a Nektar cover though. The album that it was on (A Tab In the Ocean) is a prog rock gem.

I meant their version, sorry. I also love cross eyed Mary. They make these songs their own to me. I like Invasion too! Dianno kicks ass on it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2022, 04:48:48 PM
I never cared for Cross Eyed Mary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 07, 2022, 05:34:53 PM
I never cared for Cross Eyed Mary.

Bruce sounds excellent on it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 07, 2022, 05:48:45 PM
Rainbow's Gold and King of Twilight are both 2 of their best, even though they are covers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on June 08, 2022, 12:10:12 AM
Meta(l) observation:

I love that the are two threads about Maiden here and every day I can drop in and find a new post on both. Brilliant!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 08, 2022, 01:02:29 AM
Meta(l) observation:

I love that the are two threads about Maiden here and every day I can drop in and find a new post on both. Brilliant!

Exactly! The only negative is that you have to remember what you said in one thread v what you said in the other and keeping track of it all but you can obviously never have too much Maiden talk going on.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2022, 06:58:57 AM
So... my musical was life changed forever on this day 30 years ago.

(https://i.imgur.com/5tmTx4c.jpg)


I went to see this show. After Iron Maiden played L'Amours in Broooklyn in 1988, my college roomate, who was from northern NJ, and I vowed that if they ever did something like that again, we'd be there. Sure enough, in the summer of 1992, they scheduled a show at The Ritz, and we were not missing it.

I've told this story before, but we got there early to get a good spot for Iron Maiden. But that meant having to stand for some lame local no name band.
Well, one minute into Dream Theater's set and I was BLOWN AWAY. This was the most incredible band I've ever seen. I really wished I'd taken some pics of DT, but I did not want to chance getting busted before Iron Maiden.
My two immediate thoughts about DT were...
1. the drummer was amazing, and
2. the bass player was insane. Yes I said that! JM was a head thrashing satin shirt wearing madman in those days.


The video boot to the Iron Maiden set is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SoofegTwk

In spots down in front of Dave, you can see my flash going off from my camera in a few spots. This video can also be a bit shaky, but it does settle down to be quite watchable.


Seems the full Dream Theater set isn't on youtube, but Learning  To Live is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvSWzXSD42Y

James is ridiculous at this show too.

DT's setlist was:
Pull Me Under
Under a Glass Moon
Metropolis, Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
A Fortune in Lies
Learning to Live

Dream Theater would basically become the soundtrack to my adult life. I was 23 on June 8th, 1992.











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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 08, 2022, 07:14:23 AM
What a friggin' bargain for $22.50.

EDIT:  My brother had that Zappa shirt.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 08, 2022, 07:18:29 AM
So... my musical was life changed forever on this day 30 years ago.

I went to see this show. After Iron Maiden played L'Amours in Broooklyn in 1988, my college roomate, who was from northern NJ, and I vowed that if they ever did something like that again, we'd be there. Sure enough, in the summer of 1992, they scheduled a show at The Ritz, and we were not missing it.

I've told this story before, but we got there early to get a good spot for Iron Maiden. But that meant having to stand for some lame local no name band.
Well, one minute into Dream Theater's set and I was BLOWN AWAY. This was the most incredible band I've ever seen.

Nice story. Hadn't even occurred to me it was 30 years ago this summer since I discovered DT - a band I still describe as "what the music in my head sounds like." That intro to PMU grabbed me in the same way. I was also 23 in 92...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2022, 07:19:01 AM
What a friggin' bargain for $22.50.

Yeah, but that $2.75 service charge was a bitch. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 08, 2022, 09:48:16 AM
I never cared for Cross Eyed Mary.

Bruce sounds excellent on it!

That was the first time I heard the song.  I had the Piece of Mind picture disc, which had CEM as an extra track (and to this day, it still sounds odd to have The Trooper play immediately after Boots).  Love the cover.  I was actually a bit disappointed when I heard the original, although I now like it (but still prefer the Maiden cover).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2022, 09:49:57 AM
You'd never heard the original Cross Eyed Mary before the Maiden cover? I'm surprised at that. They played the Tull version all the time on the radio.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 08, 2022, 09:53:01 AM
So... my musical was life changed forever on this day 30 years ago.

I went to see this show. After Iron Maiden played L'Amours in Broooklyn in 1988, my college roomate, who was from northern NJ, and I vowed that if they ever did something like that again, we'd be there. Sure enough, in the summer of 1992, they scheduled a show at The Ritz, and we were not missing it.

I've told this story before, but we got there early to get a good spot for Iron Maiden. But that meant having to stand for some lame local no name band.
Well, one minute into Dream Theater's set and I was BLOWN AWAY. This was the most incredible band I've ever seen.

Nice story. Hadn't even occurred to me it was 30 years ago this summer since I discovered DT - a band I still describe as "what the music in my head sounds like." That intro to PMU grabbed me in the same way. I was also 23 in 92...

We're less than a month from the 30th anniversary of the release of I&W (I was a few months shy of turning 25).  Pretty wild to think about that!


You'd never heard the original Cross Eyed Mary before the Maiden cover? I'm surprised at that. They played the Tull version all the time on the radio.

"They"?  No radio station around here was playing any Tull other than Aqualung and the radio edits of Thick as a Brick and Locomotive Breath.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2022, 10:26:19 AM
I love reading TACs story  :yarr
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 08, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
I never cared for Cross Eyed Mary.

Bruce sounds excellent on it!

That was the first time I heard the song.  I had the Piece of Mind picture disc, which had CEM as an extra track (and to this day, it still sounds odd to have The Trooper play immediately after Boots).  Love the cover.  I was actually a bit disappointed when I heard the original, although I now like it (but still prefer the Maiden cover).

I can't find the cite for this, but they famously recorded it in a higher key than Bruce was expecting.  He still sang the shit out of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 08, 2022, 01:46:08 PM
I never cared for Cross Eyed Mary.

Bruce sounds excellent on it!

That was the first time I heard the song.  I had the Piece of Mind picture disc, which had CEM as an extra track (and to this day, it still sounds odd to have The Trooper play immediately after Boots).  Love the cover.  I was actually a bit disappointed when I heard the original, although I now like it (but still prefer the Maiden cover).

I can't find the cite for this, but they famously recorded it in a higher key than Bruce was expecting.  He still sang the shit out of it.

I mean...the verses are in E and the chorus is in A, which is both pretty standard fare for Maiden and the same as the original.

EDIT:  I just listened to Doug Helvering's reaction video for The Trooper and CEM.  He confirmed that the Maiden version is in the same key but said that Bruce's vocals were an octave higher than what Ian Anderson had done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 08, 2022, 09:21:45 PM
Definitely love hearing someone recount the exact date and place their musical journey was significantly altered forever.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 09, 2022, 12:23:53 AM
Definitely love hearing someone recount the exact date and place their musical journey was significantly altered forever.

A great read for sure and what a double bill!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 10, 2022, 06:41:14 PM
I remember being in high school with all the talk among my friends about what to expect when Maiden releases Somewhere In Time. I had heard they were going to add synths so I was nervously optimistic. When MTV released the Wasted Years video I loved it, then a local radio station played Stranger in a Strange Land and I loved where the album was going as it was a cool change for them. Back then radio stations had more leeway to play pre-releases so I also heard Deja-Vu before it came out. Bottom line I went straight to the record store on the release day and bought the album/record and I loved every single song, yes even Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, haha! I miss the old days when you had to find a ride to buy albums and hope it wasn't sold out when you got there having to wait a week to get it and going to a lucky friends house who did have it. I feel we all just appreciated music "differently" being it was not quick easy access. Old school forever!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 10, 2022, 07:00:26 PM
I remember being in high school with all the talk among my friends about what to expect when Maiden releases Somewhere In Time. I had heard they were going to add synths so I was nervously optimistic. When MTV released the Wasted Years video I loved it, then a local radio station played Stranger in a Strange Land and I loved where the album was going as it was a cool change for them. Back then radio stations had more leeway to play pre-releases so I also heard Deja-Vu before it came out. Bottom line I went straight to the record store on the release day and bought the album/record and I loved every single song, yes even Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, haha! I miss the old days when you had to find a ride to buy albums and hope it wasn't sold out when you got there having to wait a week to get it and going to a lucky friends house who did have it. I feel we all just appreciated music "differently" being it was not quick easy access. Old school forever!!!  :metal

When SiT came out, I was convinced it was their best album so far. At the time...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dave_Manchester on June 10, 2022, 07:11:11 PM
I remember being in high school with all the talk among my friends about what to expect when Maiden releases Somewhere In Time. I had heard they were going to add synths so I was nervously optimistic. When MTV released the Wasted Years video I loved it, then a local radio station played Stranger in a Strange Land and I loved where the album was going as it was a cool change for them. Back then radio stations had more leeway to play pre-releases so I also heard Deja-Vu before it came out. Bottom line I went straight to the record store on the release day and bought the album/record and I loved every single song, yes even Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, haha! I miss the old days when you had to find a ride to buy albums and hope it wasn't sold out when you got there having to wait a week to get it and going to a lucky friends house who did have it. I feel we all just appreciated music "differently" being it was not quick easy access. Old school forever!!!  :metal

A huge plus 1 on this post. I miss those days too, the sense of mystery and discovery that happened when a new album was released. And yeah, Somewhere In Time is by a long distance (!) my favourite Maiden album, and the much-maligned Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner has a very healthy chance of making my #1 in the top 75 thread.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 10, 2022, 07:12:24 PM
Jeez, TLOTLDR wasn't even one of the 106 songs that made the nomination process for the Top 75.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 10, 2022, 07:12:47 PM
I remember being in high school with all the talk among my friends about what to expect when Maiden releases Somewhere In Time. I had heard they were going to add synths so I was nervously optimistic. When MTV released the Wasted Years video I loved it, then a local radio station played Stranger in a Strange Land and I loved where the album was going as it was a cool change for them. Back then radio stations had more leeway to play pre-releases so I also heard Deja-Vu before it came out. Bottom line I went straight to the record store on the release day and bought the album/record and I loved every single song, yes even Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, haha! I miss the old days when you had to find a ride to buy albums and hope it wasn't sold out when you got there having to wait a week to get it and going to a lucky friends house who did have it. I feel we all just appreciated music "differently" being it was not quick easy access. Old school forever!!!  :metal

When SiT came out, I was convinced it was their best album so far. At the time...

I was a Powerslave fanboy but I still rank SIT very high.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 10, 2022, 07:18:11 PM
See, I didn't care for Powerslave when it came out. At all. I thought SiT sounded so fresh. They did something new, where I thought Powerslave sounded so tired and cliched.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 12, 2022, 11:59:05 AM
I love Powerslave. Maiden may actually be my all time favorite band. I am always in the mood to listen to them where other bands I can go months without listening.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DragonAttack on June 12, 2022, 04:11:25 PM
Great story and pix, Tim :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 12, 2022, 04:12:43 PM
I remember being in high school with all the talk among my friends about what to expect when Maiden releases Somewhere In Time. I had heard they were going to add synths so I was nervously optimistic. When MTV released the Wasted Years video I loved it, then a local radio station played Stranger in a Strange Land and I loved where the album was going as it was a cool change for them. Back then radio stations had more leeway to play pre-releases so I also heard Deja-Vu before it came out. Bottom line I went straight to the record store on the release day and bought the album/record and I loved every single song, yes even Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, haha! I miss the old days when you had to find a ride to buy albums and hope it wasn't sold out when you got there having to wait a week to get it and going to a lucky friends house who did have it. I feel we all just appreciated music "differently" being it was not quick easy access. Old school forever!!!  :metal

A huge plus 1 on this post. I miss those days too, the sense of mystery and discovery that happened when a new album was released. And yeah, Somewhere In Time is by a long distance (!) my favourite Maiden album, and the much-maligned Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner has a very healthy chance of making my #1 in the top 75 thread.

Wow, I have it ranked high, but not that high.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 12, 2022, 09:33:45 PM
Just reached Brave New World on my now-highly-accelerated discography run, and I think I may have somehow failed to properly appreciate The Thin Line Between Love and Hate for literally ten years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 12, 2022, 11:23:32 PM
Just reached Brave New World on my now-highly-accelerated discography run, and I think I may have somehow failed to properly appreciate The Thin Line Between Love and Hate for literally ten years.

I'm reasonably confident I'll have one of the highest placed rankings for that tune. Never seems to get mentioned much here but for me, it's quintessential reunion Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 13, 2022, 08:04:09 AM
Just reached Brave New World on my now-highly-accelerated discography run, and I think I may have somehow failed to properly appreciate The Thin Line Between Love and Hate for literally ten years.

I can say that for the entire album.  I consistently rank it as the least of the reunion era records, but I listened to it twice over the weekend and it is WAY better than I remember it being.   It might still be last, but it's because everything else is so strong not because it is weak. I can see five songs making the top 75 list.    I also was surprised at how well Virtual XI has aged; I'm going to go out on a limb and say a) TAATG is the best song on the album, and b) I will likely have the highest ranking of TAATG in the list (though it won't be number one). 

I still have no idea what my No. 1 will be, which is unusual for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 13, 2022, 08:07:23 AM
Just reached Brave New World on my now-highly-accelerated discography run, and I think I may have somehow failed to properly appreciate The Thin Line Between Love and Hate for literally ten years.

I can say that for the entire album.  I consistently rank it as the least of the reunion era records, but I listened to it twice over the weekend and it is WAY better than I remember it being.   It might still be last, but it's because everything else is so strong not because it is weak. I can see five songs making the top 75 list.    I also was surprised at how well Virtual XI has aged; I'm going to go out on a limb and say a) TAATG is the best song on the album, and b) I will likely have the highest ranking of TAATG in the list (though it won't be number one). 

I still have no idea what my No. 1 will be, which is unusual for me.

Motion to disqualify Stadler’s list.

 ;D :angel:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2022, 08:27:25 AM
Just reached Brave New World on my now-highly-accelerated discography run, and I think I may have somehow failed to properly appreciate The Thin Line Between Love and Hate for literally ten years.

I can say that for the entire album.  I consistently rank it as the least of the reunion era records, but I listened to it twice over the weekend and it is WAY better than I remember it being.   It might still be last, but it's because everything else is so strong not because it is weak. I can see five songs making the top 75 list.    I also was surprised at how well Virtual XI has aged; I'm going to go out on a limb and say a) TAATG is the best song on the album, and b) I will likely have the highest ranking of TAATG in the list (though it won't be number one). 

I still have no idea what my No. 1 will be, which is unusual for me.

Motion to disqualify Stadler’s list.

 ;D :angel:

Yeah seriously  :lol gtfo with that opinion!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 13, 2022, 09:09:34 AM
Stadler takes pride in having the highest ranking of TAATTG. If only by the simple fact the he’s the only one that has it on their list. Could have it 75 and still qualify for the highest ranking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 13, 2022, 09:23:30 AM
Stadler takes pride in having the highest ranking of TAATTG. If only by the simple fact the he’s the only one that has it on their list. Could have it 75 and still qualify for the highest ranking.

I don't know if "pride" is the right word; I just listened to it again twice this weekend, and I LOVE the sound of the guitars, I love the "The angel on one side..." part, and I found myself singing that song the rest of the day.  It's not anything conscious, it's just the song that stuck with me the most.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 13, 2022, 09:27:10 AM
I hear you.  It had been ages before I listened to it last week and it does have a lot going for it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 13, 2022, 12:27:25 PM
Just reached Brave New World on my now-highly-accelerated discography run, and I think I may have somehow failed to properly appreciate The Thin Line Between Love and Hate for literally ten years.

I can say that for the entire album.  I consistently rank it as the least of the reunion era records, but I listened to it twice over the weekend and it is WAY better than I remember it being.   It might still be last, but it's because everything else is so strong not because it is weak. I can see five songs making the top 75 list.    I also was surprised at how well Virtual XI has aged; I'm going to go out on a limb and say a) TAATG is the best song on the album, and b) I will likely have the highest ranking of TAATG in the list (though it won't be number one). 

I still have no idea what my No. 1 will be, which is unusual for me.

I've also been surprised lately at how much I love VXI. I listened to it a few times last year, and then again this past weekend, and I honestly would put it on par with TXF if you asked me today, which is something I never would have said before. There are a ton of candidates for my list on there. 75 is so, so selective, so I don't know if The Angel and the Gambler will quite make it for me, but if it misses, it won't be by much. The more I listen to that song, the more I like it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 13, 2022, 02:00:10 PM
They're at it again!

Hallowed Be Thy Name (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHWAVUxkn0)

Tears Of The Dragon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLwzBiZmtA)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 13, 2022, 05:16:34 PM
They're at it again!

Hallowed Be Thy Name (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHWAVUxkn0)

Tears Of The Dragon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLwzBiZmtA)

I don't want to watch, but something draws me there; I don't know what to do!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2022, 05:18:01 PM
They're at it again!

Hallowed Be Thy Name (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHWAVUxkn0)

Tears Of The Dragon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLwzBiZmtA)

I don't want to watch, but something draws me there; I don't know what to do!

lol that response just reminded me of...

Quote
Now it's clear and I know what I have to do
I must take you down there to look at them too
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 13, 2022, 05:42:42 PM

I don't want to watch, but something draws me there; I don't know what to do!

lol that response just reminded me of...

Quote
Now it's clear and I know what I have to do
I must take you down there to look at them too

You’re in the right track. The quote is from Still Life, just a fair bit earlier in the song.
Quote
Hours I spend out just gazing into that pool
Something draws me there, I don’t know what to do.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 13, 2022, 08:44:46 PM
In listening to my FOTD-Senjutsu run the last two weeks, I have a few more thoughts.

Fear of the Dark - I find myself rather enjoying some parts, but on the whole it’s just so disappointing for a Maiden album. I never use the word “pedestrian” in an artistic sense, because I feel it makes you sound pretentious when you say it. But I just can’t come up with a better descriptive term for the album.  It feels like when you go to see a fairly cool local bar band that’s been around awhile, and they have a CD, and they are tight, and you singalong to some of their catchier tracks and you wonder why these guys aren’t bigger…then you get home and put on the CD *without* the beer and you go…”meh, there’s a couple of good tracks here, but it’s really not as good as I remember it being in the bar.”  I think most of us have had that experience, and that’s what this album feels like.  Yes…there are a couple of really fantastic tracks, but most of the rest is just either OK, or downright klunky. The Apparition sounds like an AC/DC idea that even Malcolm would have turned into a b-side. Meanwhile, the opener, the title track, and maybe a couple of others save it. ATSS is really excellent, and I love the chorus for FHTE even if the verses are a bit klunky. Wasting Love is surprisingly good considering the hate I see it get. There’s far worse songs here. The rest is mostly forgettable.

BNW just keeps getting better and better with each listen. Lately I’ve been hooked on Dream of Mirrors (in spite of the fact that I usually hate that much repetition) and the title track is also excellent.

DoD is leaving me flat. The opening track, Paschendale, and Face in the Sand are my only standouts at the moment.

AMOLAD is still probably my favorite. Every song on this album is incredible. Don’t see how it’s not top 5 Maiden in everyone’s book. It might be their greatest front to back album since NOTB.

TFF also improves with every listen. I’m starting to come around to the idea that the intro should have been a separate track, but the response it gets baffles me. I think it absolutely kicks all kinds of booty seven ways to Sunday. All 4 1/2 glorious minutes of it. A great follow up album to AMOLAD

TBOS - this took a huge drop in my book. 2-3 great tracks and the rest just doesn’t grab me at all.

Senjutsu - much more like it! My “new car smell” makes me want to say it’s easily their 2nd best reunion album…possibly even better than AMOLAD, but it’s so new that it’s hard to say. This is going to be the hardest one to put through the ranker just because of the new-ness of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 13, 2022, 09:02:17 PM
In listening to my FOTD-Senjutsu run the last two weeks, I have a few more thoughts.

Fear of the Dark - I find myself rather enjoying some parts, but on the whole it’s just so disappointing for a Maiden album. I never use the word “pedestrian” in an artistic sense, because I feel it makes you sound pretentious when you say it. But I just can’t come up with a better descriptive term for the album.  It feels like when you go to see a fairly cool local bar band that’s been around awhile, and they have a CD, and they are tight, and you singalong to some of their catchier tracks and you wonder why these guys aren’t bigger…then you get home and put on the CD *without* the beer and you go…”meh, there’s a couple of good tracks here, but it’s really not as good as I remember it being in the bar.”  I think most of us have had that experience, and that’s what this album feels like.  Yes…there are a couple of really fantastic tracks, but most of the rest is just either OK, or downright klunky. The Apparition sounds like an AC/DC idea that even Malcolm would have turned into a b-side. Meanwhile, the opener, the title track, and maybe a couple of others save it. ATSS is really excellent, and I love the chorus for FHTE even if the verses are a bit klunky. Wasting Love is surprisingly good considering the hate I see it get. There’s far worse songs here. The rest is mostly forgettable.

I pretty much agree with this, unfortunately. I listened to it last week for the first time in years, wondering if I would hear it differently than I always had, and... I didn't. The songs just aren't there, with a couple of notable exceptions. To me, it feels like an album that doesn't know what it wants to be. No Prayer for the Dying had more of a direction, more of a focus. I didn't particularly enjoy that direction, but it was there, and some of the results were pretty good. Fear of the Dark feels like an album that wants to do a lot of different things, and doesn't do many of them particularly well.

What it does well is Maiden's brand of prog-infused heavy metal, which it does on two tracks: Fear of the Dark and Afraid to Shoot Strangers. That's exactly the side of the band's songwriting that it feels like they're repressing both here and on No Prayer, but those times when it partially breaks through are among the brightest spots on those two albums. The "best of the rest" on FotD might well be Fear is the Key, which is the third-proggiest song there. Wasting Love is solid, but it would be toward the bottom of most of their other albums. And yes, yes, Judas Be My Guide is a good song, but it's not THAT good. A lot of the rest of this is songs that have a section or two that I enjoy, but don't coalesce into something that I want to go back to.

Listening to this album in the context of a discography run really gives me the feeling that, yes, there badly needed to be a shake-up of some kind at this point. And while I don't have a behind-the-scenes insight into what wasn't working, it's not surprising to me that Bruce is the one who left. The approach he started taking on No Prayer is bizarre and misses far more often than it hits, but at least it made some sense given the direction of that album. On FotD it comes across as even more bizarre, and I think it's the closest he will probably ever come to delivering a bad performance.

I don't want to take anything away from those who love this album. I wish I could love it, too, and I'm glad y'all get joy from it. But my experience is mainly frustration. Which is not really the case with any other Maiden album, even No Prayer for the Dying.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 13, 2022, 09:15:18 PM
When SiT came out, I was convinced it was their best album so far. At the time...
It still is!   :yarr
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on June 13, 2022, 09:22:01 PM
I don't think the modern, muddy as hell sound helps either of the last two albums (I can't comprehend how anyone doesn't hear how muddy those albums are), but there are a few good tunes on both that are pretty worthy, mud and all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 13, 2022, 09:58:17 PM
I don't think the modern, muddy as hell sound helps either of the last two albums (I can't comprehend how anyone doesn't hear how muddy those albums are), but there are a few good tunes on both that are pretty worthy, mud and all.
I agree, the production on Book of Souls and Senjutsu are not great. However they both have some amazing songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 13, 2022, 10:01:44 PM
Dance of Death is the only reunion album where the production routinely bothers me (although I agree that the others could be much better), but I still love it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 13, 2022, 10:07:59 PM
I don't think the modern, muddy as hell sound helps either of the last two albums (I can't comprehend how anyone doesn't hear how muddy those albums are), but there are a few good tunes on both that are pretty worthy, mud and all.
I agree, the production on Book of Souls and Senjutsu are not great. However they both have some amazing songs.

Agreed but they are more than audible. Senjutsu sounds like they released the demo versions of the album. But I actually find it gives it its charm. Love it. Book of Souls is fine but I would love to get a shot at remastering it from the original files. I would brighten it up a bit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 13, 2022, 11:41:20 PM
Probably random and likely a degree of being new, but I find BOS a bit bloated and a slog while can play Senjutsu front to back no problems...

Nice writeup jammindude, would agree with most those thoughts although could squeeze a couple more FOTD tracks into a lost of faves no probs ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 13, 2022, 11:56:30 PM
Probably random and likely a degree of being new, but I find BOS a bit bloated and a slog while can play Senjutsu front to back no problems...

Nice writeup jammindude, would agree with most those thoughts although could squeeze a couple more FOTD tracks into a lost of faves no probs ;)

425 mentioned Fear is the Key and I would say that’s a fair addition. Throw Childhoods End on the pile as well. But again, they don’t really blow my mind like so many other IM songs do. When I do get my final list together, I’d be shocked if anything other than BQOBD, ATSS, and FOTD made the final list.  EDIT - and BQOBD is iffy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 14, 2022, 12:47:52 AM
In listening to my FOTD-Senjutsu run the last two weeks, I have a few more thoughts.

Fear of the Dark - I find myself rather enjoying some parts, but on the whole it’s just so disappointing for a Maiden album. I never use the word “pedestrian” in an artistic sense, because I feel it makes you sound pretentious when you say it. But I just can’t come up with a better descriptive term for the album.  It feels like when you go to see a fairly cool local bar band that’s been around awhile, and they have a CD, and they are tight, and you singalong to some of their catchier tracks and you wonder why these guys aren’t bigger…then you get home and put on the CD *without* the beer and you go…”meh, there’s a couple of good tracks here, but it’s really not as good as I remember it being in the bar.”  I think most of us have had that experience, and that’s what this album feels like.  Yes…there are a couple of really fantastic tracks, but most of the rest is just either OK, or downright klunky. The Apparition sounds like an AC/DC idea that even Malcolm would have turned into a b-side. Meanwhile, the opener, the title track, and maybe a couple of others save it. ATSS is really excellent, and I love the chorus for FHTE even if the verses are a bit klunky. Wasting Love is surprisingly good considering the hate I see it get. There’s far worse songs here. The rest is mostly forgettable.

BNW just keeps getting better and better with each listen. Lately I’ve been hooked on Dream of Mirrors (in spite of the fact that I usually hate that much repetition) and the title track is also excellent.

DoD is leaving me flat. The opening track, Paschendale, and Face in the Sand are my only standouts at the moment.

AMOLAD is still probably my favorite. Every song on this album is incredible. Don’t see how it’s not top 5 Maiden in everyone’s book. It might be their greatest front to back album since NOTB.

TFF also improves with every listen. I’m starting to come around to the idea that the intro should have been a separate track, but the response it gets baffles me. I think it absolutely kicks all kinds of booty seven ways to Sunday. All 4 1/2 glorious minutes of it. A great follow up album to AMOLAD

TBOS - this took a huge drop in my book. 2-3 great tracks and the rest just doesn’t grab me at all.

Senjutsu - much more like it! My “new car smell” makes me want to say it’s easily their 2nd best reunion album…possibly even better than AMOLAD, but it’s so new that it’s hard to say. This is going to be the hardest one to put through the ranker just because of the new-ness of it.

Great write up. Most of your reunion album analysis I agree with.

TBOS - totally agree. This album has not aged at all well for me. I struggle to even get through it these days, easily the weakest reunion album.

AMOLAD - is also probably my fav reunion album and I do really like every song.

TFF - this album took me a while but I do really like this one.

Fear of the Dark - yeah I can see what you are saying. It is a really up and down album but I do appreciate it much more today then I did upon release. I have let go of the baggage I associated with this one when I first picked it up on release day. When I started doing my top 75 I thought at most I would only get 2 songs from this album in the top 75 but more than that have actually crept into my final list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 14, 2022, 01:56:09 AM
Probably random and likely a degree of being new, but I find BOS a bit bloated and a slog while can play Senjutsu front to back no problems...

Nice writeup jammindude, would agree with most those thoughts although could squeeze a couple more FOTD tracks into a lost of faves no probs ;)

425 mentioned Fear is the Key and I would say that’s a fair addition. Throw Childhoods End on the pile as well. But again, they don’t really blow my mind like so many other IM songs do. When I do get my final list together, I’d be shocked if anything other than BQOBD, ATSS, and FOTD made the final list.  EDIT - and BQOBD is iffy.

I can't stand Childhood's End, but I think that's more of an idiosyncratic, personal thing—I really dislike whatever that percussion sound under the chorus is.

I found this time that I enjoyed Be Quick or Be Dead a lot less than I used to. I think I'm becoming more annoyed by Bruce's vocal approach on that one. For me, it's going to just be the obvious two. Way too many deserving songs on so many of their other albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2022, 03:45:24 AM
You guys are missing the boat on Childhood’s End.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 14, 2022, 03:53:07 AM
I haven't heard an Iron Maiden song that I enjoy less than Childhood's end. Everything about it is nails on the chalkboard to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 14, 2022, 04:06:21 AM
Mladen clearly hasn’t heard The Apparition yet.

Man, Childhood’s End is actually a highlight in that album by the time you’re finished. Wasting Love is one of the worst ballads in their discography is my biggest take away from today’s listen through of FOTD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2022, 05:32:27 AM
I don't think the modern, muddy as hell sound helps either of the last two albums (I can't comprehend how anyone doesn't hear how muddy those albums are), but there are a few good tunes on both that are pretty worthy, mud and all.
I agree, the production on Book of Souls and Senjutsu are not great. However they both have some amazing songs.

I really notice it when I listen to the band on shuffle.  When anything from the last two albums comes on, it is like someone threw a blanket over my speakers.  Even the first four reunion albums, all of which could also sound better when compared to the 80s albums, sound quite a bit better than the last two.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 14, 2022, 06:43:02 AM
I don't think the modern, muddy as hell sound helps either of the last two albums (I can't comprehend how anyone doesn't hear how muddy those albums are), but there are a few good tunes on both that are pretty worthy, mud and all.
I agree, the production on Book of Souls and Senjutsu are not great. However they both have some amazing songs.

I really notice it when I listen to the band on shuffle.  When anything from the last two albums comes on, it is like someone threw a blanket over my speakers.  Even the first four reunion albums, all of which could also sound better when compared to the 80s albums, sound quite a bit better than the last two.

Pretty sure this is an intentional Steve Harris decision. He wants a "live" feel but then the live albums end up sounding better than the studio ones.  ::)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 14, 2022, 09:28:19 AM
They're at it again!

Hallowed Be Thy Name (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHWAVUxkn0)

Tears Of The Dragon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLwzBiZmtA)

I don't want to watch, but something draws me there; I don't know what to do!

lol that response just reminded me of...

Quote
Now it's clear and I know what I have to do
I must take you down there to look at them too

I should hope so!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2022, 09:39:45 AM
I guess I meant, the lyrics I quoted seemed to also relate.  I didn't word that right, obviously you quoted the Still Life, but I felt the quote I used related to Tim dragging the rest of this thread down to those videos so more of a follow up quote from the same song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 14, 2022, 10:21:48 AM
They're at it again!

Hallowed Be Thy Name (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHWAVUxkn0)

Tears Of The Dragon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLwzBiZmtA)

I don't want to watch, but something draws me there; I don't know what to do!

lol that response just reminded me of...

Quote
Now it's clear and I know what I have to do
I must take you down there to look at them too

I should hope so!   :biggrin:

"Hallowed Be Thy Name" delivered everything I could have hoped for.  :) :) :) :) :) That intro!  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2022, 12:00:25 PM

"Hallowed Be Thy Name" delivered everything I could have hoped for.  :) :) :) :) :) That intro!  :)

 :lol

Why didn't Maiden think of using that note in the intro? :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 14, 2022, 01:38:45 PM
I'm looking forward to a new live album from this tour! It would be cool if they only played songs from reunion era. Obviously that wouldn't happen but how cool would that be to hear live versions of songs they probably even forgot how to play since recording them?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2022, 01:55:42 PM
I dont expect one since they already released a live album for the Legacy of the Beast tour, but I would love if they made a live video.  This tour is all about the visuals.  Add in the 3 Senjutsu songs and it would be worth it IMO to purchase.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2022, 02:03:02 PM
I dont expect one since they already released a live album for the Legacy of the Beast tour, but I would love if they made a live video.  This tour is all about the visuals.  Add in the 3 Senjutsu songs and it would be worth it IMO to purchase.

I was watching parts of the Donnington show last night. The Senjutsu stage set is incredible. The whole entire production is next level. The Legacy show was stunning to see live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2022, 02:04:51 PM
I dont expect one since they already released a live album for the Legacy of the Beast tour, but I would love if they made a live video.  This tour is all about the visuals.  Add in the 3 Senjutsu songs and it would be worth it IMO to purchase.

I was watching parts of the Donnington show last night. The Senjutsu stage set is incredible. The whole entire production is next level. The Legacy show was stunning to see live.

I've seen a few pictures of the set, it looks great.  But I'm trying to avoid watching the videos until after I see them in October.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 14, 2022, 02:06:15 PM
I dont expect one since they already released a live album for the Legacy of the Beast tour, but I would love if they made a live video.  This tour is all about the visuals.  Add in the 3 Senjutsu songs and it would be worth it IMO to purchase.

I was watching parts of the Donnington show last night. The Senjutsu stage set is incredible. The whole entire production is next level. The Legacy show was stunning to see live.

How did Bruce sound?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2022, 02:07:09 PM

I've seen a few pictures of the set, it looks great.  But I'm trying to avoid watching the videos until after I see them in October.

I am passing on the October show, but even if I was going....I'D STILL WATCH!! ;D





How did Bruce sound?

I thought he sounded fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 14, 2022, 02:44:15 PM
I’m starting to wonder if we will get a proper Senjutsu tour. They are currently still technically putting a delayed finish to the Legacy tour with 3 new tracks thrown in for good measure.

Do you guys think they will still do a proper Senjutsu tour when this is done? I’d rather see a live video of that. I wouldn’t even mind if they played the full album!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2022, 02:52:39 PM
I love much of the album, but not enough of it for them to play the entire thing. This album doesn’t play that way for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 14, 2022, 03:00:12 PM
I love much of the album, but not enough of it for them to play the entire thing. This album doesn’t play that way for me.

Even if they did a full-blown tour with five or six of the songs and then released a live video of that I would be happy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2022, 03:01:52 PM
I thought someone in the band said a full senjutsu tour was going to happen after this tour and that the full album being played was on the table. 

And yes, I'd be happy with any professional live video from Maiden be it from Legacy of the Beast or a future Senjutsu tour, or both!  En Vivo was so well done, that I really would like another live video similar to that. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 14, 2022, 03:06:22 PM
I'm looking forward to a new live album from this tour! It would be cool if they only played songs from reunion era. Obviously that wouldn't happen but how cool would that be to hear live versions of songs they probably even forgot how to play since recording them?

Big +1 to the bolded.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2022, 03:14:24 PM
I love much of the album, but not enough of it for them to play the entire thing. This album doesn’t play that way for me.

Even if they did a full-blown tour with five or six of the songs and then released a live video of that I would be happy

Oh definitely. They've done it for every album except AMOLAD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 14, 2022, 03:31:28 PM
I love much of the album, but not enough of it for them to play the entire thing. This album doesn’t play that way for me.

Even if they did a full-blown tour with five or six of the songs and then released a live video of that I would be happy

Oh definitely. They've done it for every album except AMOLAD.

Much to my chagrin.

That would be my #1 IM wish. A complete pro shot release of the AMOLAD tour where they played the album in full.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2022, 03:39:43 PM
Luckily there are so many great boots from the tour, and honestly, I enjoy those more than most pro shots.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 14, 2022, 10:00:16 PM
AMOLAD and TFF tonight, in hopes of having my list done by Friday. This run only reinforces these two as my #2 and my #1. There was a time when I thought that Senjutsu was a serious threat to AMOLAD's place, but now I don't think it's like—I think it will land third or fourth.

I commented back when I listened to SiT that I think Adrian just tears it up on that album, and I think TFF may be the second-most noticeable album in this regard. He has a lot of great solos, including just... Starblind, and some great songs to his credit (Isle of Avalon, Starblind, Coming Home, Mother of Mercy).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2022, 01:47:08 AM
I too remember them "announcing" a small-scale tour for the die hard fans, where they would play Senjutsu in full.

I'd say go for it. This is already a greatest hits tour, after this they could just do a smaller one where they play the new album, and then - as if that would happen, ha - they could REALLY go deep.

I remember Steve Harris saying that he'd like to play Only the Good Die Young, go for it. They've been teasing Alex the Great since forever, I don't really care for the song and I insist that fans obsess over it because it was never played live (To Tame a Land is better, why nobody ever asks for it to return? because at least it was played in the Piece of Mind tour), but hey, make it a selling point of the tour.

The album is long and doesn't leave much room, but anyway, something like this...

FULL SENJUTSU ALBUM
Iron Maiden (come on, this has to stay forever and ever)
===============
Alex the Great
22 Acacia Avenue (an old song they haven't played in forever and even shunned for the Early Days tour)
Only the Good Die Young


This would really be a tour for the diehard fans, who can survive one tour without the usual suspects in the set....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 15, 2022, 01:55:32 AM
I like it, but I think the AMOLAD tour rules out anything too ambitious behind the full Senjutsu album. I almost wonder if they’ll reuse that encore?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 15, 2022, 02:58:29 AM
They performed AMOLAD in huge arenas and plenty of fans were disappointed. Since they're discussing scaling things down and booking smaller venues, they might as well get ambitious with the encore as well. I would however prefer an encore consisting of only newer stuff - Wicker man, Rainmaker, Coming home and call it a day.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 15, 2022, 03:08:23 AM
I still have my setlist I made up just for fun for what I’d like to see if it isn’t a full album setlist like has been suggested,

Senjutsu
Stratego
Trooper
No More Lies
Writing in the Wall
Days of Future Past
Blood on the World’s Hands
Heaven Can Wait
Death of the Celts
Hell on Earth
When the Wild Wind Blows
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden

Number of the Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Different World

Am I well aware they’d never do that? Yes. Do I still want it? Hell yes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2022, 03:24:37 AM
You just tempted me into doing a "normal tour" setlist, with just the basic classics, new stuff, a couple of oldies, and homage to all the reunion albums.

Senjutsu
Stratego
22 Acacia Avenue
The Trooper
The Writing on the Wall
Death or Glory
Darkest Hour
Rainmaker
These Colors don't Run
Phantom of the Opera
Hell on Earth
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden
==============
Coming Home
Hallowed Be Thy Name
The Wicker Man
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 15, 2022, 03:42:32 AM
Oh, there are some great choices in both of those.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 15, 2022, 04:05:38 AM
Wicker Man as a closer would be interesting. I think Different World hits it just right as a closer with the message of the chorus. Still, the closing “whoa oh oh” of Wicker Man would be a strong way to end it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2022, 05:13:33 AM
Still, the closing “whoa oh oh” of Wicker Man would be a strong way to end it.

Which is exactly I see it as a good closing song!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 15, 2022, 05:23:31 AM
Sure. If they can close the concert with an album opener that is Aces high, nothing rules out Wicker man as a closer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 15, 2022, 05:26:40 AM
Aces High as a closer is criminal. Bruce can’t support it at the end of the show.

Mladen, any fantasy setlist picks to offer?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 15, 2022, 05:35:04 AM
At this point, I am so into the idea of hearing the entire Senjutsu live that it would probably be my fantasy set list.  ;D

EDIT: Okay, maybe something like this:

Senjutsu
Stratego
The Writing on the wall
Lost in a lost world
Days of future past
The Time machine
Darkest hour
Death of the Celts
The Parchment
Hell on earth
Fear of the dark
Iron Maiden
---
The Wicker man
Rainmaker
Coming home
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 15, 2022, 05:47:34 AM
May I offer the suggestion that I think your encore is great picks but in the wrong order for my money? I’d go Rainmaker first coz they have that storm tape from Death on the Road, Coming Home is more of a ballad making it a bit of a slow burn for a closer, but potentially great as the middle one (proven by Blood Bros on Book of Souls tour) and then after MirrorMask pointed it out, I reckon Wicker could actually close it well!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 15, 2022, 06:48:58 AM
At this point, I am so into the idea of hearing the entire Senjutsu live that it would probably be my fantasy set list.  ;D

EDIT: Okay, maybe something like this:

Senjutsu
Stratego
The Writing on the wall
Lost in a lost world
Days of future past
The Time machine
Darkest hour
Death of the Celts
The Parchment
Hell on earth
Fear of the dark
Iron Maiden
---
The Wicker man
Rainmaker
Coming home

Put in Wildest Dreams instead of Rainmaker, and I'm in.  I'd be all over that.

I'm also all in on a video from this tour. It really IS a very visual show, so I'm sort of shocked we didn't see one from the first round, frankly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 15, 2022, 07:34:42 AM
They're at it again!

Hallowed Be Thy Name (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHWAVUxkn0)

Tears Of The Dragon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLwzBiZmtA)

It's 11.30pm, have to get up at 5.30am and can't sleep for shit yet I'm watching these?  I'm seriously losing the plot.  :lol

How the fuck are you in a Maiden cover band and still don't know the words to Hallowed?

And nice way to absolutely butcher Roy Z's guitar solo, holy hell.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2022, 07:37:10 AM
Watching these guys is like doing crack. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 15, 2022, 07:41:08 AM
Watching these guys is like doing crack. :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 15, 2022, 07:47:10 AM
How would you guys rank the IM live albums? I usually just go for Live After Death as the default live album. Don't know which of the other ones are great too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2022, 07:56:16 AM
1. Death On The Road
2. Book Of Souls: Live Chapter
3. Live After Death
4. En Vivo
5. Maiden England
6. Beast Over Hammersmith
7. A Real Dead One
8. Live At Donnington
9. Flight 666
10. Rock In Rio
11. Nights Of The Dead
12. A Real Live One



Feels funny listing some of those albums in the bottom half.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 15, 2022, 08:26:37 AM
Hard to do coz I haven’t listened to em all too recently.

1. Flight 666
2. En Vivo
3. Book of Souls: Live Chapter
4. Rock In Rio
5. Live After Death
6. Beast Over Hammersmith
7. Death on the Road
8. Maiden England
9. Live At Donnington
10. A Real Dead One
11. A Real Live One

But I feel like Death On The Road is due a comeback. Will likely skyrocket out of 7th to top 3 after next listen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 15, 2022, 09:05:02 AM
I'm not familiar enough with all the live records Maiden put out to do a proper ranking...I will say that, while Live After Death is iconic for good reasons, I'd put Rock In Rio above it. Great energy on that one, and I think Bruce is in top, top form (I'd dare say I prefer his performance on RiR vs LAD...)

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2022, 09:17:26 AM
I'm not familiar enough with all the live records Maiden put out to do a proper ranking...I will say that, while Live After Death is iconic for good reasons, I'd put Rock In Rio above it. Great energy on that one, and I think Bruce is in top, top form (I'd dare say I prefer his performance on RiR vs LAD...)

I agree.  Live After Death is iconic and I can see why many people would rank it high or at the top, but I didn't live through that so it doesn't have that soft spot for me.  Rock in Rio was the first live album I got.  But I think I'd actually rank all the reunion era live albums besides Nights of the Dead higher than Live After Death. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 15, 2022, 10:03:38 AM
Watching these guys is like doing crack. :lol

 :lol

It really is, isn't it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 15, 2022, 10:10:03 AM

2. Book Of Souls: Live Chapter


I don't think I have properly checked this one out. You are rating it real high, so I feel like I should  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2022, 10:15:47 AM

2. Book Of Souls: Live Chapter


I don't think I have properly checked this one out. You are rating it real high, so I feel like I should  :)

It sounds great, but beyond that, the live versions of The Book Of Souls (which did surprisingly well in my rankings), The Red And The Black, and the underrated The Great Unknown, which was fantastic live, are all amazing.

The opening of the show with If Eternity Shall Fail is amazing, plus I love them digging up Children Of The Damned.

It's really an amazing show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 15, 2022, 11:09:16 AM
Speaking of Maiden live albums - what is the deal with Maiden Japan? Is it an official release? I'm seeing it's either 4 or 5 songs, depending on the version...but then there are "unofficial" bootlegs with the whole set? For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alfGdwifSxo
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2022, 11:11:23 AM
It was only released with 5 songs at the time. There's never been an official release of the full set.

But yes, there are boots of the whole show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 15, 2022, 11:42:24 AM
How would you guys rank the IM live albums? I usually just go for Live After Death as the default live album. Don't know which of the other ones are great too.

Honestly, I think almost all of them are great. I'd recommend choosing your next one primarily based on what tracklist most interests you. But if I had to name a few that I really like besides LAD, I'd say Rock in Rio, En Vivo and Maiden England.

Once I do my list, I'm going to go back and finish the live albums, and then I'll be able to give a ranking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 15, 2022, 03:08:09 PM
Beast over Hammersmith and LAD are my faves. RiR and Death on the Road are amazing as well. I wish Bruce sounded better on Legacy of the Beast, he strains and shouts all over it. Aces High kills me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2022, 03:14:07 PM
I'd also rate the live albums very differently if we rated them based on the videos or just the audio.  Like RiR would rank very high for the audio, but much lower for video.  Same with Death on the Road.  (those who have seen, know exactly why  :lol) But also kind of why I rate Flight 666 and En Vivo so highly is due to both the video and audio being great.  I still occasionally pop those blu-rays in even after watching them so many times. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2022, 03:17:13 PM
I'd also rate the live albums very differently if we rated them based on the videos or just the audio.  Like RiR would rank very high for the audio, but much lower for video. Same with Death on the Road.  (those who have seen, know exactly why  :lol) But also kind of why I rate Flight 666 and En Vivo so highly is due to both the video and audio being great.  I still occasionally pop those blu-rays in even after watching them so many times.

It's really a shame with DOTR because I think this is some of the best footage of the band ever filmed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2022, 03:23:26 PM
I'd also rate the live albums very differently if we rated them based on the videos or just the audio.  Like RiR would rank very high for the audio, but much lower for video. Same with Death on the Road.  (those who have seen, know exactly why  :lol) But also kind of why I rate Flight 666 and En Vivo so highly is due to both the video and audio being great.  I still occasionally pop those blu-rays in even after watching them so many times.

It's really a shame with DOTR because I think this is some of the best footage of the band ever filmed.

I do hope one day a re-edit is released of both shows.  I agree, DOTR has some great shots and being in an arena, it's basically perfect to get some good shots.  I do come back to this one more so than RiR for exactly that.  It has the potential to be such a great looking video.  It's also widescreen, and I'd imagine they could actually re-edit it and release it in blu-ray in full HD quality.  I don't see Steve ever letting that happen though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 15, 2022, 05:24:32 PM
I'd also rate the live albums very differently if we rated them based on the videos or just the audio.  Like RiR would rank very high for the audio, but much lower for video. Same with Death on the Road.  (those who have seen, know exactly why  :lol) But also kind of why I rate Flight 666 and En Vivo so highly is due to both the video and audio being great.  I still occasionally pop those blu-rays in even after watching them so many times.

It's really a shame with DOTR because I think this is some of the best footage of the band ever filmed.

I don't think I've ever watched Death on the Road...what's the issue with the video?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2022, 05:29:10 PM
I'd also rate the live albums very differently if we rated them based on the videos or just the audio.  Like RiR would rank very high for the audio, but much lower for video. Same with Death on the Road.  (those who have seen, know exactly why  :lol) But also kind of why I rate Flight 666 and En Vivo so highly is due to both the video and audio being great.  I still occasionally pop those blu-rays in even after watching them so many times.

It's really a shame with DOTR because I think this is some of the best footage of the band ever filmed.

I don't think I've ever watched Death on the Road...what's the issue with the video?

It's the seizure inducing editing. Same as Rock In Rio. I can only watch a couple of songs at a time before I have to shut it off. It is ridiculously frustrating. I think the footage is so classy. The lighting, colors, and sightlines are all fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zook on June 15, 2022, 05:29:19 PM
I'd also rate the live albums very differently if we rated them based on the videos or just the audio.  Like RiR would rank very high for the audio, but much lower for video. Same with Death on the Road.  (those who have seen, know exactly why  :lol) But also kind of why I rate Flight 666 and En Vivo so highly is due to both the video and audio being great.  I still occasionally pop those blu-rays in even after watching them so many times.

It's really a shame with DOTR because I think this is some of the best footage of the band ever filmed.

I don't think I've ever watched Death on the Road...what's the issue with the video?

I think the editing is even worse than Rock in Rio.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2022, 07:20:49 PM
Just a thought..

I feel like The Red And The Black is the Reunion Era's version of The Duellists. I rate both tracks fairly high, but being honest, they're both just ok tracks, but both have this amazing lose-yourself-in long magical musical passages. I wish we had a live version of The Duellists.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 15, 2022, 08:50:32 PM
Live After Death is iconic and I can see why many people would rank it high or at the top, but I didn't live through that so it doesn't have that soft spot for me

Same here.

2. Book Of Souls: Live Chapter

It sounds great, but beyond that, the live versions of The Book Of Souls (which did surprisingly well in my rankings), The Red And The Black, and the underrated The Great Unknown, which was fantastic live, are all amazing.

Good to know. I don't think I've ever given this a listen, and I really like that album!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 15, 2022, 09:55:02 PM
Live After Death is iconic. I did live through it and watched the VHS hundreds of times. It was just the greatest thing ever for the teenage me. I still think it is the greatest live album ever but yeah I get that it doesn't have the same impact on everyone.

My next favourite is Maiden England, I also had the VHS of this and also just loved it. Not as iconic but has iconic moments for me which are probably a bit weird for everyone else. I just love Bruce's 'intro talk' over the beginning of The Evil That Men Do, just something about it. Bruce sings the wrong lyrics in Still Life, Adrian hits a bung note in Wasted Years intro riff in the middle breakdown part (he misses the high E and hits the E flat). I also think Bruce may have had a 'few beers' before the show as he is kind of in a crazy mood in the performance.

Beast Over Hammersmith is also awesome, just a great vibe and 'youthful energy' on this and Bruce is an absolute powerhouse.

All the others have their moments. I don't enjoy the latest live albums as much because Bruce sounds as if he is really struggling/straining vocally. I saw The Book of Souls tour live and thought Bruce was awesome but listening to Live Chapter is a struggle and Legacy of the Beast is even worse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 16, 2022, 05:04:05 AM
Maiden England has the best set list.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 16, 2022, 05:54:41 AM
Maiden England has the best set list.

Yeah, I've always thought it's their most unique, creative set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 16, 2022, 06:55:35 AM
Yes Maiden England is a great setlist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 16, 2022, 07:27:24 AM
Can I just say that I like the live albums past Rock In Rio more because Bruce sounds in much better shape? He sounds fine in Beast on the Road and then Live After Death and Maiden England sound like late tour fatigue big time!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 16, 2022, 07:29:07 AM
Rock in Rio is an essential Maiden DVD for me. It's the Live after death of my generation.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 16, 2022, 07:36:15 AM
Can I just say that I like the live albums past Rock In Rio more because Bruce sounds in much better shape? He sounds fine in Beast on the Road and then Live After Death and Maiden England sound like late tour fatigue big time!
Sorry but I disagree big time in relation to Live After Death and Maiden England.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 16, 2022, 08:11:21 AM
Can I just say that I like the live albums past Rock In Rio more because Bruce sounds in much better shape? He sounds fine in Beast on the Road and then Live After Death and Maiden England sound like late tour fatigue big time!

It's because their touring schedule was insane back then. It would kill most singers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 16, 2022, 08:15:23 AM
Can I just say that I like the live albums past Rock In Rio more because Bruce sounds in much better shape? He sounds fine in Beast on the Road and then Live After Death and Maiden England sound like late tour fatigue big time!
As much as I love Live after Death and how important that live VHS was for me growin up he does sound aweful and fatigued at times.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 16, 2022, 10:52:17 AM
Live After Death is a great record and transports a lot of energy, but Bruce doesn't sound good.

Same goes for Maiden England, the chorus to Run To The Hills is almost painful to hear.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 16, 2022, 01:53:22 PM
Beast over Hammersmith is by far the best live Maiden that represents the early days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on June 16, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
Beast over Hammersmith is by far the best live Maiden that represents the early days.

Great album
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 16, 2022, 04:45:18 PM
While doing my list for the top 75, I used the ranking system and listened to songs that I was unfamiliar with. Which was the entire discography of Iron Maiden. I found some great songs in all of their albums, and those songs ranged from the reunion, the Blaze, and classic eras.

Iron Maiden has so many great songs that it's a shame they do not play these songs much at all live. To me, I feel it's a waste that Iron Maiden, or more the state of the music industry, has made these great songs to go by the wayside and never played live. That music industry idea of pleasing the casual fans and bringing in cash.

I would be all in for a reunion era set, or more, a set containing nothing but songs that are not the hit singles.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 16, 2022, 05:01:36 PM
Beast over Hammersmith is by far the best live Maiden that represents the early days.

Great album

You have 2 days to rank your fav 75 Maiden songs mate.  Chop chop!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 16, 2022, 05:06:29 PM
While doing my list for the top 75, I used the ranking system and listened to songs that I was unfamiliar with. Which was the entire discography of Iron Maiden. I found some great songs in all of their albums, and those songs ranged from the reunion, the Blaze, and classic eras.

Iron Maiden has so many great songs that it's a shame they do not play these songs much at all live. To me, I feel it's a waste that Iron Maiden, or more the state of the music industry, has made these great songs to go by the wayside and never played live. That music industry idea of pleasing the casual fans and bringing in cash.

I would be all in for a reunion era set, or more, a set containing nothing but songs that are not the hit singles.

I wish they would play more deep cuts, too, but they genuinely do get a lot of backlash and a lot less crowd engagement, especially in the United States, when they don't play the same set of songs that they've played hundreds of times before. It's hard for me to blame the music industry when a sizable portion of the audience has made its attitude toward hearing deep cuts quite clear.

But do I read you correctly in saying that you'd never heard any of their music before, and listened to the whole discography to do this list? If so, that's really impressive dedication, and I'm glad to hear you found so much to enjoy!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 16, 2022, 05:34:06 PM
Every time I listen to the red and the Black I can’t help but think that the opening versus sound so awkward and “busy” for lack of a better term. But once you get past the first few minutes, it gets better and better and ends really strong. I just think the opening verses are a bit meh. Bruce doing those fast lines that don’t do anything but mirror the guitar riff just doesn’t work at all. But the rest is amazing!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 16, 2022, 06:13:25 PM
While doing my list for the top 75, I used the ranking system and listened to songs that I was unfamiliar with. Which was the entire discography of Iron Maiden. I found some great songs in all of their albums, and those songs ranged from the reunion, the Blaze, and classic eras.

Iron Maiden has so many great songs that it's a shame they do not play these songs much at all live. To me, I feel it's a waste that Iron Maiden, or more the state of the music industry, has made these great songs to go by the wayside and never played live. That music industry idea of pleasing the casual fans and bringing in cash.

I would be all in for a reunion era set, or more, a set containing nothing but songs that are not the hit singles.

I wish they would play more deep cuts, too, but they genuinely do get a lot of backlash and a lot less crowd engagement, especially in the United States, when they don't play the same set of songs that they've played hundreds of times before. It's hard for me to blame the music industry when a sizable portion of the audience has made its attitude toward hearing deep cuts quite clear.

But do I read you correctly in saying that you'd never heard any of their music before, and listened to the whole discography to do this list? If so, that's really impressive dedication, and I'm glad to hear you found so much to enjoy!

I have only heard bits and pieces from all their albums, and not enough to remember much how they sounded like. So listening to those songs again was like listening to them for the first time. And being into them since the release of The Wicker Man (single version), I never really took the time to get more into the albums. I did get into Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (album), I did buy Piece of Mind and A Matter of Life and Death (it was the new album at the time), I also bought Brave New World and Dance of Death. I stopped buying cd's and started listening to the rest on Spotify whenever I would remember or feel in that mood. I have also seen them live a quite a few times and loved some of the songs like The Clansman, Sign of The Cross, and some of their casuals like Fear of The Dark, Wrathchild, and Iron Maiden.

The ranking gave me that opportunity to give their songs a good listening and I found some fascinating gems in all their albums, some of which are surprising for the hardcore Iron Maiden fan. I do think they're good songs, and I will also reveal along as the rankings go. It'll be fun I think to get a sort of newer fans perspective on their songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 16, 2022, 06:46:27 PM
Just a thought..

I feel like The Red And The Black is the Reunion Era's version of The Duellists. I rate both tracks fairly high, but being honest, they're both just ok tracks, but both have this amazing lose-yourself-in long magical musical passages. I wish we had a live version of The Duellists.

Every time I listen to the red and the Black I can’t help but think that the opening versus sound so awkward and “busy” for lack of a better term. But once you get past the first few minutes, it gets better and better and ends really strong. I just think the opening verses are a bit meh. Bruce doing those fast lines that don’t do anything but mirror the guitar riff just doesn’t work at all. But the rest is amazing!

Yep, agree with both. The main appeal of The Red and the Black for me is the instrumental stuff. There are some beautiful leads/riffs in there.

And yes, Bruce/the guitars following the same melodies is a bit baffling. It's one of the very few things that annoy me about Senjutsu (the album), actually.  They do that in a few instances (most egregiously in Hell on Earth, which I love, BTW) and I'm not quite sure why. It mostly sounds awkward...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 16, 2022, 06:58:00 PM
I don't mind that comparison to The Duellists and TRATB, not bad.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 16, 2022, 07:04:45 PM
I don't mind that comparison to The Duellists and TRATB, not bad.

I thought it was damn insightful, myself.  :lol


Both tracks have excellent ratings from me in the upcoming countdown.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 16, 2022, 07:22:43 PM
Beast over Hammersmith is by far the best live Maiden that represents the early days.

Great album

You have 2 days to rank your fav 75 Maiden songs mate.  Chop chop!!

Me? I sent my list already.   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 16, 2022, 07:26:15 PM
Beast over Hammersmith is by far the best live Maiden that represents the early days.

Great album

You have 2 days to rank your fav 75 Maiden songs mate.  Chop chop!!

Me? I sent my list already.   :)

No, Jason.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on June 16, 2022, 08:03:28 PM
Somewhere in Time is such as amazing album
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 16, 2022, 10:15:38 PM
Somewhere in Time is such as amazing album

I love it as well. It stands alone. Nothing sounds like it before or after.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 16, 2022, 11:59:55 PM
AMOLAD and TFF tonight, in hopes of having my list done by Friday. This run only reinforces these two as my #2 and my #1. There was a time when I thought that Senjutsu was a serious threat to AMOLAD's place, but now I don't think it's like—I think it will land third or fourth.

I say this, and I feel confident at the time, and then I come back to Senjutsu, and it's all even better than I remembered... it would be a tough, tough choice. Fortunately I don't really have to choose!

The Book of Souls was obviously in between these. I stand by my view that this album is a dip in quality. I had a hard time evaluating it until its successor came out. It was the first Maiden album that came out after I was a fan, so it was hard for me to tell whether I was being fair to it or whether it wasn't clicking with me because it wasn't one of the ones I already knew and loved. Once Senjutsu came out and I fell in love with it immediately, I realized I wasn't being unfair to TBoS. But interestingly enough, that took some of the pressure off it, and I was able to enjoy it for what it is. And it still is a really good album. There are a few songs that aren't up to the standard they set on the preceding two albums, but there's still a ton of superb material on there, including some that I don't see people mentioning a lot. I love Shadows of the Valley and The Man of Sorrows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 17, 2022, 12:26:25 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of The Book of Souls. I have mentioned previously that this album hasn't aged well for me and I do think it is easily the weakest of the reunion era albums. My biggest problem with it is that many of the songs are bloated and overly long. You mention Shadows of the Valley as a good song, but it just never ends. It should have been 5 minutes not 7+. The biggest offender is The Red and the Black, that is an awesome 7 minute song that goes for 13 minutes! I do have 3 songs from the album in my top 75 though so there is that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 17, 2022, 04:59:34 AM
Empire of the Clouds is the worst culprit for going on and on, and without much variation. The melody is great but it's repeated ad nauseum.

I don't think Book of Souls is a bad album (although Shadow of the Valley, Great Unknown and Man of Sorrows are real snoozers) but not a single track from it made my 75.

Opinions, opinions.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 17, 2022, 05:16:30 AM
The Book of Souls should have been a single disc. We can argue and disagree on exactly what we would have edited out, but surely we can all agree that ANYTHING that got it down to a single disc length would have been an improvement?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 17, 2022, 06:00:29 AM
The Book of Souls should have been a single disc. We can argue and disagree on exactly what we would have edited out, but surely we can all agree that ANYTHING that got it down to a single disc length would have been an improvement?

That applies even more to Senjutsu. Could have trimmed any of the endless repetition like the middle of LIALW.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 17, 2022, 09:23:07 AM
The Book of Souls should have been a single disc. We can argue and disagree on exactly what we would have edited out, but surely we can all agree that ANYTHING that got it down to a single disc length would have been an improvement?

I think the problem is that if we disagree on what to remove, it wouldn't be an improvement. For example, nobloodyname would want to get rid of three songs that I think are indispensable. My very first cut would be Death or Glory, which I know a lot of people love. It's fine as it is.

And absolutely do not touch one single note of Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 17, 2022, 09:26:23 AM
The Book of Souls should have been a single disc. We can argue and disagree on exactly what we would have edited out, but surely we can all agree that ANYTHING that got it down to a single disc length would have been an improvement?

That applies even more to Senjutsu. Could have trimmed any of the endless repetition like the middle of LIALW.

No.  Senjutsu is perhaps my favorite Iron Maiden album at this point.

EDIT:  I'm seriously worried that my first 10 songs are all going to be from Senjutsu.   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: romdrums on June 17, 2022, 09:39:57 AM
Book of Souls? More like Encyclopedia of Souls!  Yeah, listening to that one recently was kind of a chore.  Only Maiden albums of the ones I own that I can say that about.  Senjutsu, on the other hand, is fine just the way it is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 17, 2022, 09:51:19 AM
Yeah. I think I'd leave Senjutsu alone. Only thing I'd change is the really weird transition in... I think it's in Death of the Celts. Sounds like they came back and recorded it the next day and someone had moved the amps. It's quite jarring.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 17, 2022, 12:45:47 PM
The Book of Souls should have been a single disc. We can argue and disagree on exactly what we would have edited out, but surely we can all agree that ANYTHING that got it down to a single disc length would have been an improvement?

That applies even more to Senjutsu. Could have trimmed any of the endless repetition like the middle of LIALW.

No.  Senjutsu is perhaps my favorite Iron Maiden album at this point.


Okay,  but the point is you couldn't live without a couple of bars of the repetitive sections? (also repetitive in the sense they've used the exact same sequence of notes on many prior songs).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 17, 2022, 12:49:05 PM
Ironically, even though BOS would require 12 1/2 minutes of trimming to fit on a single disc, and Senjutsu would only require 2 minutes of trimming…I could easily take the former, but would have a much tougher time with the latter.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 17, 2022, 12:54:41 PM
What is the virtue of cramming an album onto a single CD, especially in the age of ripping CDs, digital downloads and streaming? Yeah, you might be able to get Senjutsu under 80 minutes without reducing the quality too badly, but why do that? Why make musical compromises just to get under a number that has no meaning to anyone except those involved in the CD manufacturing process?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
What is the virtue of cramming an album onto a single CD, especially in the age of ripping CDs, digital downloads and streaming? Yeah, you might be able to get Senjutsu under 80 minutes without reducing the quality too badly, but why do that? Why make musical compromises just to get under a number that has no meaning to anyone except those involved in the CD manufacturing process?

Agreed. It's an obsolete thought to limit your self on a boundary that no longer exists.  Having said that, I think most of us could agree some trimming in the re-union era of IM wouldn't be too big of a detriment to the music, maybe even make some songs better.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 17, 2022, 01:33:32 PM
I'll be the one who disagrees with that, at least post-DoD. There are a number of songs on BNW that repeat the chorus a time or two too many (including good songs, like Ghost of the Navigator), and probably a few songs on DoD, too. But post-DoD, I could maybe come up with 4-5 songs at most that would be improved by being shorter.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2022, 01:43:35 PM
I'll be the one who disagrees with that, at least post-DoD. There are a number of songs on BNW that repeat the chorus a time or two too many (including good songs, like Ghost of the Navigator), and probably a few songs on DoD, too. But post-DoD, I could maybe come up with 4-5 songs at most that would be improved by being shorter.

Well, I did say the reunion era even though the discussion was mostly about the last two albums.  They've gotten much better about the repeating chorus issue, but even at 4-5 songs, that could be a solid difference over that time period.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on June 17, 2022, 02:06:54 PM
I think Maiden did a good job of pivoting and changing their formula slightly to fit with their strengths and weaknesses in the more modern area. While I feel they lost some magic in the 'hit song' writing area and the singles of the reunion albums forward (let's be honest even before that) have been good but not 80's era great - I think they have made up for that by perfecting their skill in writing epics. I also agree that the negative trope of repeating certain parts way too many times has thankfully decreased and was maybe at its worst on Brave New World or Dance of Death - 2 albums I still very much like.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 17, 2022, 03:13:50 PM
Speaking of Maiden live albums - what is the deal with Maiden Japan? Is it an official release? I'm seeing it's either 4 or 5 songs, depending on the version...but then there are "unofficial" bootlegs with the whole set? For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alfGdwifSxo


The show just went up on Dime today if anyone wants their own copy of it.
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=732088
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 17, 2022, 08:10:32 PM
What is the virtue of cramming an album onto a single CD, especially in the age of ripping CDs, digital downloads and streaming? Yeah, you might be able to get Senjutsu under 80 minutes without reducing the quality too badly, but why do that? Why make musical compromises just to get under a number that has no meaning to anyone except those involved in the CD manufacturing process?

I waffle on this. Art should never be created to fit the medium. But then I see an album that is 90 seconds longer than can fit on a CD, and I think "c'mon guys..." I bought the CD and put it on my computer and mp3 player, and have the same thought when I see it split in to two discs. I suppose I could just file them under one album, but I am a bit particular about my filing, so if it is on 2 CDs, it gets filed as 2 discs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 17, 2022, 09:42:06 PM
What is the virtue of cramming an album onto a single CD, especially in the age of ripping CDs, digital downloads and streaming? Yeah, you might be able to get Senjutsu under 80 minutes without reducing the quality too badly, but why do that? Why make musical compromises just to get under a number that has no meaning to anyone except those involved in the CD manufacturing process?
I waffle on this. Art should never be created to fit the medium. But then I see an album that is 90 seconds longer than can fit on a CD, and I think "c'mon guys..." I bought the CD and put it on my computer and mp3 player, and have the same thought when I see it split in to two discs. I suppose I could just file them under one album, but I am a bit particular about my filing, so if it is on 2 CDs, it gets filed as 2 discs.
What about Metallica's last album, which was under 78 minutes, and yet they still split it on to 2 CDs.  :P
(Odd especially for them since they edited The Outlaw Torn so that they could keep everything on Load to once CD)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on June 18, 2022, 05:55:16 AM
Listening to Live After Death for the first time in probably over a decade and aside from it being a fantastic live album, it's kinda weird to listen to live albums like this from a band's prime when the typical encore/hit songs are just normal songs in the set. Like the first 3 songs being Aces High/2 Minutes to Midnight/The Trooper is just kinda nuts. Having TNOTB/Hallowed/Iron Maiden/Run to the Hills just sprinkled in the middle of the set is also kinda wild.  :lol

I guess i'm just so used to live albums from later in the band's career where you have your typical 'recent stuff filler' (that isn't always bad quality-wise) before you get to the hits.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 18, 2022, 11:47:35 AM
Listening to Live After Death for the first time in probably over a decade and aside from it being a fantastic live album, it's kinda weird to listen to live albums like this from a band's prime when the typical encore/hit songs are just normal songs in the set. Like the first 3 songs being Aces High/2 Minutes to Midnight/The Trooper is just kinda nuts. Having TNOTB/Hallowed/Iron Maiden/Run to the Hills just sprinkled in the middle of the set is also kinda wild.  :lol

I guess i'm just so used to live albums from later in the band's career where you have your typical 'recent stuff filler' (that isn't always bad quality-wise) before you get to the hits.

You said it! Back in the day they didn't have filler stuff in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 18, 2022, 11:51:45 AM
You guys are calling "typical recent stuff" played on as part of a live set "filler?"

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 18, 2022, 11:57:59 AM
You guys are calling "typical recent stuff" played on as part of a live set "filler?"

Filler is a strong word here, sorry for that, but after decades of albums you're not going to make everyone happy with a set list. When they first "stormed the world" back in the day many of their songs could have been encores let alone considered fillers. Its only because of the huge catalog they have now that we can be choosy. It wasn't meant to start a beef.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on June 18, 2022, 12:04:01 PM
No beef at all, just curious how you were viewing it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 18, 2022, 12:12:10 PM
No beef at all, just curious how you were viewing it.

If brave new world, dance of death and a Matter of life and Death were their first three albums every note of every song would be bowed upon. Yes I do love all of these albums today but you get my point?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2022, 12:16:49 PM

(Odd especially for them since they edited The Outlaw Torn so that they could keep everything on Load to once CD)


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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 18, 2022, 12:35:29 PM

(Odd especially for them since they edited The Outlaw Torn so that they could keep everything on Load to once CD)


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The unedited version was later released as a B-side on one of the singles. It was called something like Outlaw Torn (Unencumbered by Manufacturing Restrictions). And... yup... here you go: https://www.discogs.com/release/6942978-Metallica-The-Memory-Remains
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 18, 2022, 03:50:54 PM
I was always annoyed at that.  Should have just cut Ronnie and put the whole version on there instead.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on June 18, 2022, 06:42:21 PM
Wolfarama….how awesome is Deja Vu by Maiden
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2022, 06:51:26 PM
I'm watching this show tonight.
Rock Am Ring 2014.  WOW!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVcKRF5y7s0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 18, 2022, 06:52:26 PM
Question:  Wasn't Nicko like the only drummer to basically refuse to use a double bass?    I thought that was part of his schtick.   But I'm listening to Face in the Sand and thinking to myself that there's no way he's doing that bass drum with one foot.   Or am I just remembering a false "factoid"? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2022, 06:58:48 PM
Question:  Wasn't Nicko like the only drummer to basically refuse to use a double bass?    I thought that was part of his schtick.   But I'm listening to Face in the Sand and thinking to myself that there's no way he's doing that bass drum with one foot.   Or am I just remembering a false "factoid"?

https://drummagazine.com/analysis-of-nicko-mcbrains-iron-maiden-licks/


Says here it's a double bass. The only song he uses it on.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 18, 2022, 07:10:07 PM
Wolfarama….how awesome is Deja Vu by Maiden

It's a very underrated cut.  I love Dave's songwriting, he always brings something a bit different to the table.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 18, 2022, 07:10:50 PM
Question:  Wasn't Nicko like the only drummer to basically refuse to use a double bass?    I thought that was part of his schtick.   But I'm listening to Face in the Sand and thinking to myself that there's no way he's doing that bass drum with one foot.   Or am I just remembering a false "factoid"?

https://drummagazine.com/analysis-of-nicko-mcbrains-iron-maiden-licks/


Says here it's a double bass. The only song he uses it on.

I wish he used it more.  He destroys the double bass on that song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 18, 2022, 08:48:12 PM
Question:  Wasn't Nicko like the only drummer to basically refuse to use a double bass?    I thought that was part of his schtick.   But I'm listening to Face in the Sand and thinking to myself that there's no way he's doing that bass drum with one foot.   Or am I just remembering a false "factoid"?

https://drummagazine.com/analysis-of-nicko-mcbrains-iron-maiden-licks/


Says here it's a double bass. The only song he uses it on.

This was a cool read…

Yeah, I knew from reading it somewhere that Face in the Sand was the only song where he used a double pedal…and that he was sort of uncomfortable doing that.

I remember when I first heard a song like Caught Somewhere in Time, I couldn’t quite believe that wasn’t double bass. I get that he has this particular technique, but that song is insane. Any drummer in the forum that can explain to me how he does it? ;D

Another super-cool drum part (among many) is what Nicko does in the Infinite Dreams solo section, especially under that beautiful harmonized guitar part. The bass drum pattern there is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2022, 08:50:57 PM
The song that I find incredible that it's not double bass is Dream Of Mirrors.


I think he can go pretty fast when it's in groups of threes. The bass drum rests when the snare hits unlike double bass that plays right through the snare hit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 18, 2022, 08:54:12 PM
The song that I find incredible that it's not double bass is Dream Of Mirrors.


I think he can go pretty fast when it's in groups of threes. The bass drum rests when the snare hits unlike double bass that plays right through the snare hit.

Yep, Dream of Mirrors too…but, again, the speed of that gallop in Caught…is just out of this world for a single pedal…
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2022, 08:57:09 PM
Caught Somewhere In Time is a GREAT song!!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 18, 2022, 09:12:43 PM
Caught Somewhere In Time is a GREAT song!!!!

It sure is!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 18, 2022, 09:40:16 PM
I think it's a technique where he uses the hell then toe kind of thing to get the gallop, but I could be talking out my ass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 18, 2022, 10:05:13 PM
I think it's a technique where he uses the hell then toe kind of thing to get the gallop, but I could be talking out my ass.
Yeah, it's definitely the heel-toe technique. I use it quite often in my own drumming when I want to play really fast double bass parts. The difference is he is only using 1 pedal, I do 2 pedals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 18, 2022, 10:58:35 PM
Caught Somewhere In Time is a GREAT song!!!!
I love it! Stranger in a strange land kicks ass! Actually every song on SiT does!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on June 19, 2022, 01:58:56 AM
You guys are calling "typical recent stuff" played on as part of a live set "filler?"

I don't think Maiden really has a lot of filler so maybe the use of the word is harsh, but whether it's Rock in Rio or En Vivo for example, you have those parts in the set that are clearly 'hey this is from the new album and we gotta give these songs some love' and you kinda know that beyond the tour for this album, these songs will appear very rarely again. We've come to think of songs like Number of the Beast/Run to the Hills/Hallowed be thy Name to be end of setlist or encore songs and to just have them sort of shoved into the middle of the set to fill it out and having other songs saved for later is really cool.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2022, 07:57:47 AM
I think it's a technique where he uses the hell then toe kind of thing to get the gallop, but I could be talking out my ass.
Yeah, it's definitely the heel-toe technique. I use it quite often in my own drumming when I want to play really fast double bass parts. The difference is he is only using 1 pedal, I do 2 pedals.


Is that different than the swivel?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 19, 2022, 03:25:32 PM
I think it's a technique where he uses the hell then toe kind of thing to get the gallop, but I could be talking out my ass.
Yeah, it's definitely the heel-toe technique. I use it quite often in my own drumming when I want to play really fast double bass parts. The difference is he is only using 1 pedal, I do 2 pedals.


Is that different than the swivel?

Is this like The Twist?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2022, 03:43:28 PM
I think it's a technique where he uses the hell then toe kind of thing to get the gallop, but I could be talking out my ass.
Yeah, it's definitely the heel-toe technique. I use it quite often in my own drumming when I want to play really fast double bass parts. The difference is he is only using 1 pedal, I do 2 pedals.


Is that different than the swivel?

Is this like The Twist?


Kingshmegland says yes.

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 19, 2022, 03:58:57 PM
Question:  Wasn't Nicko like the only drummer to basically refuse to use a double bass?    I thought that was part of his schtick.

Back in 1986 or '87, I went to a Vinnie Appice drum clinic at a local Guitar Center.  He spoke at length about not using double bass drum.  I don't recall him discussing the double pedal and don't know if those were even common at that time.  I also have no idea if he changed his position over the years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 19, 2022, 04:09:18 PM
I think it's a technique where he uses the hell then toe kind of thing to get the gallop, but I could be talking out my ass.
Yeah, it's definitely the heel-toe technique. I use it quite often in my own drumming when I want to play really fast double bass parts. The difference is he is only using 1 pedal, I do 2 pedals.


Is that different than the swivel?

Is this like The Twist?

More like the Macarena.   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 19, 2022, 04:45:54 PM
I think it's a technique where he uses the hell then toe kind of thing to get the gallop, but I could be talking out my ass.
Yeah, it's definitely the heel-toe technique. I use it quite often in my own drumming when I want to play really fast double bass parts. The difference is he is only using 1 pedal, I do 2 pedals.


Is that different than the swivel?
While they can both provide similar results, the execution is quite different. For example, George Kollias is notable for making the swivel technique popular and can attain pretty good double bass speeds with it. There's another drummer that I follow, Samus Paulicelli, who uses the heel-toe technique.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2022, 05:37:44 PM
I think it's a technique where he uses the hell then toe kind of thing to get the gallop, but I could be talking out my ass.
Yeah, it's definitely the heel-toe technique. I use it quite often in my own drumming when I want to play really fast double bass parts. The difference is he is only using 1 pedal, I do 2 pedals.


Is that different than the swivel?
While they can both provide similar results, the execution is quite different. For example, George Kollias is notable for making the swivel technique popular and can attain pretty good double bass speeds with it. There's another drummer that I follow, Samus Paulicelli, who uses the heel-toe technique.

66Samus. I've watched him.

I watched a couple different vids on the heel toe. I'm gonna try it out tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 19, 2022, 07:11:40 PM
No beef at all, just curious how you were viewing it.

If brave new world, dance of death and a Matter of life and Death were their first three albums every note of every song would be bowed upon. Yes I do love all of these albums today but you get my point?!

I strongly disagree. Wickerman, Brave New World, Blood Brothers, Mercenary, Dream of Mirrors, Out of the Silent Planet, No More Lies, Monstsegur, Longest Day, FTGGOG etc have choruses that go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and I don’t think every note would have been worshipped. Early Maiden had all that useless fat stripped away.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 19, 2022, 07:19:51 PM
No beef at all, just curious how you were viewing it.

If brave new world, dance of death and a Matter of life and Death were their first three albums every note of every song would be bowed upon. Yes I do love all of these albums today but you get my point?!

I strongly disagree. Wickerman, Brave New World, Blood Brothers, Mercenary, Dream of Mirrors, Out of the Silent Planet, No More Lies, Monstsegur, Longest Day, FTGGOG etc have choruses that go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and I don’t think every note would have been worshipped. Early Maiden had all that useless fat stripped away.

Yes, I pretty much agree with this. In the countdown thread it has been stated that someone prefers the more epic, progressive Maiden (referring to the reunion era) than an album like TNoTB. I guess where I sit you can't get a Maiden track more epic and progressive than Children of the Dammed (complete with repeated chorus lyrics) and the song is 4 and a half minutes long. So many of the reunion songs are just too long without earning their excessive length.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2022, 07:24:19 PM
No beef at all, just curious how you were viewing it.

If brave new world, dance of death and a Matter of life and Death were their first three albums every note of every song would be bowed upon. Yes I do love all of these albums today but you get my point?!

I strongly disagree. Wickerman, Brave New World, Blood Brothers, Mercenary, Dream of Mirrors, Out of the Silent Planet, No More Lies, Monstsegur, Longest Day, FTGGOG etc have choruses that go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and I don’t think every note would have been worshipped. Early Maiden had all that useless fat stripped away.

I don't know man. You listed a handful of great tacks included in that list that are perfect the way they are. The Reunion Era is amazing, and it's a matter of taste I guess, but sometimes I feel like we romanticize the Classic Era a bit too much in comparison.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 19, 2022, 07:35:21 PM
Am I the only one who hates the single version of Out of the Silent Planet for cutting out the super moody intro? I love that bit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 19, 2022, 09:03:07 PM
No beef at all, just curious how you were viewing it.

If brave new world, dance of death and a Matter of life and Death were their first three albums every note of every song would be bowed upon. Yes I do love all of these albums today but you get my point?!

I strongly disagree. Wickerman, Brave New World, Blood Brothers, Mercenary, Dream of Mirrors, Out of the Silent Planet, No More Lies, Monstsegur, Longest Day, FTGGOG etc have choruses that go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and I don’t think every note would have been worshipped. Early Maiden had all that useless fat stripped away.

I agree about old Maiden but I do think I would have been in awe if the reunion stuff came out when I was a kid in the 80's. No doubt about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on June 19, 2022, 09:07:32 PM
I think what is interesting is that if Maiden had been a brand new band in 2000, they probably would have been labeled as progressive metal, a label that would have stuck given the style and nature of the six albums released since then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 19, 2022, 09:34:56 PM
I think what is interesting is that if Maiden had been a brand new band in 2000, they probably would have been labeled as progressive metal, a label that would have stuck given the style and nature of the six albums released since then.

Thing is though, they’ve always been on the more progressive side. Phantom of the Opera, for example. It really starts to take hold a lot more across the Piece of Mind-Seventh Son era, and then after Bruce leaves they take on being a full time prog band. Nothing wrong with that at all, given their influences.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 19, 2022, 09:44:06 PM
I think what is interesting is that if Maiden had been a brand new band in 2000, they probably would have been labeled as progressive metal, a label that would have stuck given the style and nature of the six albums released since then.

Yes, They always had prog tendencies but I agree with you they would have been labeled progressive metal if they came out in 2000. If you listen to Fear Is The Key from FotD its very proggy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 19, 2022, 10:10:57 PM
No beef at all, just curious how you were viewing it.

If brave new world, dance of death and a Matter of life and Death were their first three albums every note of every song would be bowed upon. Yes I do love all of these albums today but you get my point?!

I strongly disagree. Wickerman, Brave New World, Blood Brothers, Mercenary, Dream of Mirrors, Out of the Silent Planet, No More Lies, Monstsegur, Longest Day, FTGGOG etc have choruses that go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and I don’t think every note would have been worshipped. Early Maiden had all that useless fat stripped away.

Yes, I pretty much agree with this. In the countdown thread it has been stated that someone prefers the more epic, progressive Maiden (referring to the reunion era) than an album like TNoTB. I guess where I sit you can't get a Maiden track more epic and progressive than Children of the Dammed (complete with repeated chorus lyrics) and the song is 4 and a half minutes long. So many of the reunion songs are just too long without earning their excessive length.

As the person who stated that, I'd first like to be clear that I was not referring exclusively to the reunion era. I was referring to an aspect of their sound that was dominant on SiT and SSoaSS and every album from 1995 to present, played a major role on PoM and Powerslave, and played a minor role on every other album.

Children of the Damned is a good song, but it was never in the running for my top 75. I also don't see it as particularly progressive by Maiden's standards. It's a change of pace in that it has more of a ballad feel at the beginning and builds up to an interesting bridge, but that doesn't strike me as unusually ambitious unless your bar is Killers.

In the case of that song, I also think the lyrics are a real barrier for me. I just do not want to hear about a child dying horribly, period. That's a general barrier to my enjoyment of the first three albums and NPftD. The sexual lyrics (which continued long enough to occupy one of the best songs, musically, on TNotB) kind of disgust me and the horror lyrics range from boring me (The Number of the Beast) to repelling me (Children of the Damned). The crime lyrics (most of Killers) are interesting at times, but not as much as the history, literature, etc. stuff they did more of later. There are exceptions on those first three albums, but those are the dominant themes.

And as for those 10 songs that are supposedly so badly drawn out, I'll just say that well over half of them are on my list, some of them quite high, precisely in most cases because they are doing things that I find ambitious, progressive and interesting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 20, 2022, 05:46:53 AM
Yeah I listed those songs not necessarily because I don’t like them but because of the endless repetition. The Longest Day is probably my favorite of those.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 20, 2022, 08:53:17 AM
The Longest Day is one of those where I'd agree there's a real repetition problem, but the first half is so good that it doesn't matter too much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 20, 2022, 09:14:44 AM
The intro and verses to The Longest Day are fantastic. But I could never reconcile that chorus with the mood of the beginning. It’s the kind of thing they did on The X Factor that makes me feel like it wasn’t vetted out properly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 20, 2022, 10:48:55 AM
The intro and verses to The Longest Day are fantastic. But I could never reconcile that chorus with the mood of the beginning. It’s the kind of thing they did on The X Factor that makes me feel like it wasn’t vetted out properly.

Agreed! Chorus for TLD should be DARK.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on June 20, 2022, 03:33:34 PM
Was waiting for this. Maiden to cover the costs of Di'Anno's operation.

https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-to-cover-remaining-cost-of-former-singer-paul-di-anno-s-operation

I remember how quickly they stepped up when they found out about Clive and I wondered what took so long with Paul. Glad to see they are finally lending a hand.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 20, 2022, 03:37:54 PM
I saw that. Really cool. But holy shit, Paul Dianno is in rough shape. Still can't believe it'd been 30 years that Steve and Paul hadn't met.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 20, 2022, 03:44:52 PM
The intro and verses to The Longest Day are fantastic. But I could never reconcile that chorus with the mood of the beginning. It’s the kind of thing they did on The X Factor that makes me feel like it wasn’t vetted out properly.

Agreed! Chorus for TLD should be DARK.

I think the mood of the chorus is fine. The Normandy landing is not a wholly dark moment in history; it's intense and involves a lot of darkness, but there's also the commitment to a noble goal. It makes sense to me to have the verses emphasize the darkness and the chorus emphasize a little more the devotion and the expectation of eventual victory.

My problem is that it is just repeated far too many times.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 20, 2022, 04:46:35 PM
Was waiting for this. Maiden to cover the costs of Di'Anno's operation.

https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-to-cover-remaining-cost-of-former-singer-paul-di-anno-s-operation

I remember how quickly they stepped up when they found out about Clive and I wondered what took so long with Paul. Glad to see they are finally lending a hand.

Class from Maiden.  Could it be Steve didn't really know the severity of his situation until they met up again and went 'holy shit, we have to help this lad, he's cooked'?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2022, 05:08:52 PM
Was waiting for this. Maiden to cover the costs of Di'Anno's operation.

https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-to-cover-remaining-cost-of-former-singer-paul-di-anno-s-operation

I remember how quickly they stepped up when they found out about Clive and I wondered what took so long with Paul. Glad to see they are finally lending a hand.

Class from Maiden.  Could it be Steve didn't really know the severity of his situation until they met up again and went 'holy shit, we have to help this lad, he's cooked'?

I can't imagine he didn't know, but maybe just without being in contact for so long that maybe it was an afterthought until they met recently.  I can't imagine the costs being something to put a dent in the IM cash flow so it feels appropriate and right to do this.  Cool move even if it was a bit late, I'm glad those guys seem to be friendly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 20, 2022, 05:10:13 PM
Was waiting for this. Maiden to cover the costs of Di'Anno's operation.

https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-to-cover-remaining-cost-of-former-singer-paul-di-anno-s-operation

I remember how quickly they stepped up when they found out about Clive and I wondered what took so long with Paul. Glad to see they are finally lending a hand.

Class from Maiden.  Could it be Steve didn't really know the severity of his situation until they met up again and went 'holy shit, we have to help this lad, he's cooked'?

I can't imagine he didn't know, but maybe just without being in contact for so long that maybe it was an afterthought until they met recently.  I can't imagine the costs being something to put a dent in the IM cash flow so it feels appropriate and right to do this.  Cool move even if it was a bit late, I'm glad those guys seem to be friendly.

True, they probably knew, but sometimes hearing about things is one thing but seeing it takes it to a whole new level.  Nevertheless, late, yes, but still the right result in the end.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2022, 04:41:03 PM
I know we're focusing on Maiden at the moment but this came up in my Youtube last night and am working my way through it and will continue tonight.  An incredible boot from the Accident of Birth tour.  The band and Bruce here are absolutely killing it.  Really good.

https://youtu.be/z0M5T3fugIw
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2022, 04:53:06 PM
I know we're focusing on Maiden at the moment but this came up in my Youtube last night and am working my way through it and will continue tonight.  An incredible boot from the Accident of Birth tour.  The band and Bruce here are absolutely killing it.  Really good.

https://youtu.be/z0M5T3fugIw

Wow, that's great. What a nice capture. I saw them 11 days later!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on June 21, 2022, 05:18:05 PM
Those shorts he was wearing. :eek
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2022, 05:30:33 PM
I know we're focusing on Maiden at the moment but this came up in my Youtube last night and am working my way through it and will continue tonight.  An incredible boot from the Accident of Birth tour.  The band and Bruce here are absolutely killing it.  Really good.

https://youtu.be/z0M5T3fugIw

Wow, that's great. What a nice capture. I saw them 11 days later!

Fuck that would have been a great show to see, they are blistering here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2022, 05:30:55 PM
Those shorts he was wearing. :eek

I'm sure the guys in the front row still have nightmares.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2022, 06:11:04 PM
I know we're focusing on Maiden at the moment but this came up in my Youtube last night and am working my way through it and will continue tonight.  An incredible boot from the Accident of Birth tour.  The band and Bruce here are absolutely killing it.  Really good.

https://youtu.be/z0M5T3fugIw

Wow, that's great. What a nice capture. I saw them 11 days later!

Fuck that would have been a great show to see, they are blistering here.

Plus it's not just Adrian, but also Roy Z/ Cassilas/Ingraham.

I remember being so happy to see Adrian here. I remember he looked like he was having such a good time, and that is confirmed watching this video. When he left Iron Maiden, I figured I'd never see him live again.

The first time I saw Bruce, Janick was his guitarist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Yeah, I'm loving watching H here.  He is such a cool motherfucker.  True yet humble all out rock star.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Poor Blaze...

Here's a great performance by the band of The Educated Fool..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk1x_Td_hO8

But Blaze...oh man..he looks like Smitty from Southie who won a radio contest to sing a song with the band.  :lol


But this is a GREAT song and deserves The Bruce Treatment someday.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on June 21, 2022, 10:34:21 PM
I know we're focusing on Maiden at the moment but this came up in my Youtube last night and am working my way through it and will continue tonight.  An incredible boot from the Accident of Birth tour.  The band and Bruce here are absolutely killing it.  Really good.

https://youtu.be/z0M5T3fugIw

Wow, that's great. What a nice capture. I saw them 11 days later!

I saw them the night before this one! First time seeing Bruce and Adrian. I pretty much just watched Adrian all night. Roy was a freak of nature, I will have to say. His soloing was ridiculous, sometimes with his guitar behind his head and he played practically note perfect.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2022, 11:08:22 PM
I'm so jealous of you guys seeing that show.  Unreal!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2022, 04:50:37 AM
Poor Blaze...

Here's a great performance by the band of The Educated Fool..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk1x_Td_hO8

But Blaze...oh man..he looks like Smitty from Southie who won a radio contest to sing a song with the band.  :lol


But this is a GREAT song and deserves The Bruce Treatment someday.

Wow, I actually never knew they played this one live.  Good video.

I dunno who Smitty is but Blaze looked way cooler on the X Factor tour.  Now, I can't talk about the backwards baseball cap cause their balding, but it was an awkward look for Maiden during that tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 22, 2022, 04:55:01 AM
I saw Blaze early on the X Factor tour and he rocked, seriously, 100% a worthy replacement for the other fella. Had the whole place in the palm of his hand. But I've seen videos of later in that tour and from the Virtual XI tour, and it's not the same guy. Much as I loved Blaze when he joined, he just didn't have the stamina to keep up that level of performance night after night.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 22, 2022, 06:53:37 AM
Poor Blaze...

Here's a great performance by the band of The Educated Fool..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk1x_Td_hO8

But Blaze...oh man..he looks like Smitty from Southie who won a radio contest to sing a song with the band.  :lol


But this is a GREAT song and deserves The Bruce Treatment someday.

Wow, I actually never knew they played this one live.  Good video.

I dunno who Smitty is but Blaze looked way cooler on the X Factor tour.  Now, I can't talk about the backwards baseball cap cause their balding, but it was an awkward look for Maiden during that tour.

Smitty From Southie is just my own characterization or description of just any dude sitting at a bar and gets up to sing.


I saw Blaze early on the X Factor tour and he rocked, seriously, 100% a worthy replacement for the other fella. Had the whole place in the palm of his hand. But I've seen videos of later in that tour and from the Virtual XI tour, and it's not the same guy. Much as I loved Blaze when he joined, he just didn't have the stamina to keep up that level of performance night after night.

I'm so pissed I missed TXF tour. But I did manage to see the VXI tour. I don't remember anything that stood out about Blaze, honestly. I thought he was fairly solid. I saw them in Phoenix and I know they cancelled some shows around that time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 22, 2022, 07:25:57 AM
I know we're focusing on Maiden at the moment but this came up in my Youtube last night and am working my way through it and will continue tonight.  An incredible boot from the Accident of Birth tour.  The band and Bruce here are absolutely killing it.  Really good.

https://youtu.be/z0M5T3fugIw

I watched a bit of this, and it's fantastic. Band's on fire and Bruce sounds amazing.

Man, Accident of Birth is such a good album, I might give it a spin today.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 22, 2022, 08:51:42 AM
Poor Blaze...

Here's a great performance by the band of The Educated Fool..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk1x_Td_hO8

But Blaze...oh man..he looks like Smitty from Southie who won a radio contest to sing a song with the band.  :lol


But this is a GREAT song and deserves The Bruce Treatment someday.

I've seen Steve Harris live (either real or on video) hundreds of times, maybe, and I don't think I've ever seen him play bass like that.  I know he doesn't use a pick, but it's almost like he's strumming a rhythm guitar.

I want to like Blaze so bad.  I know he's a top guy and all.  But when I see Dave and Steve, I think "MAIDEN!" and when I think "MAIDEN!" I'm not thinking a guy who looks like Brian Johnson and sounds like me.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 22, 2022, 11:34:27 AM
I want to like Blaze so bad.  I know he's a top guy and all.  But when I see Dave and Steve, I think "MAIDEN!" and when I think "MAIDEN!" I'm not thinking a guy who looks like Brian Johnson and sounds like me.

Oh, you horrible person! I love Blaze but I chuckled out loud at that :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 22, 2022, 02:18:12 PM
I know we're focusing on Maiden at the moment but this came up in my Youtube last night and am working my way through it and will continue tonight.  An incredible boot from the Accident of Birth tour.  The band and Bruce here are absolutely killing it.  Really good.

https://youtu.be/z0M5T3fugIw

I watched a bit of this, and it's fantastic. Band's on fire and Bruce sounds amazing.

Man, Accident of Birth is such a good album, I might give it a spin today.
Wow, that's a great find. Thx for sharing!  :metal

So cool that they ended with The Prisoner.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 24, 2022, 02:45:32 PM
Since Wrathchild was posted in the countdown, I mentioned that it was the first song from them that I ever heard. It was because this video that I saw on MTV. I was in the 8th grade, and a 13 y/o TAC thought that Iron Maiden looked like the cooldest band ever! I thought I'd watch it again today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io4ObwuO24w
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 24, 2022, 03:30:19 PM
Since Wrathchild was posted in the countdown, I mentioned that it was the first song from them that I ever heard. It was because this video that I saw on MTV. I was in the 8th grade, and a 13 y/o TAC thought that Iron Maiden looked like the cooldest band ever! I thought I'd watch it again today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io4ObwuO24w

That entire video is cool.  I prefer the Dickinson Maiden, but there's something undeniable about that early stuff.  Di'Anno did look cool in his own way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 24, 2022, 03:59:26 PM
I don't remember that video from my early MTV days, but we didn't get MTV until a good year after it premiered.

Fun fact:  "Wrathchild" was the 35th video ever played on MTV, appearing between Carly Simon's "Vengeance" and...I did you not..."I Want to Be a Lifeguard" by Blotto (which I'm now going to watch).  "Wratchild" garnered four plays in total on MTV's first day.  Only three videos got more plays:  "You Better You Bet" by The Who, "Just Between You and Me" by April Wine, and "In the Air Tonight" by Phil Collins (5x each).  The video for the song "Iron Maiden" was also played that day (the 16th video ever and repeated once later in the day).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 24, 2022, 04:05:03 PM
I've never heard that Lifeguard song.  :lol  I'll check that out later.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 24, 2022, 04:22:08 PM
I've never heard that Lifeguard song.  :lol  I'll check that out later.

If I've heard the song or seen the video before, I don't remember it.  It's pretty bad to the point that it's funny.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 24, 2022, 04:25:26 PM
I've never heard that Lifeguard song.  :lol  I'll check that out later.

If I've heard the song or seen the video before, I don't remember it.  It's pretty bad to the point that it's funny.



Same. I watched a lot of MTV back then. I would stay at my grandmother's house on the weekend just because she had cable. I have no recollection of that song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 24, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
OMG BLOTTO!!!!!!

I’ve never heard of I Want to Be a Lifeguard...but they experienced a brief stint of popularity when “I’m Turning Into a Heavy Metalhead” got played on Dr Demento, and subsequently got played on some radio stations around the country (where ever the local DJs thought it was funny enough to share)

https://youtu.be/vyJSetm6U0k
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2022, 09:48:54 AM
I've heard it; it's funny the way Mexican Radio by Wall of Voodoo is funny. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 25, 2022, 09:53:44 AM
I definitely remember Mexican Radio.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on June 25, 2022, 03:10:22 PM
I definitely remember Mexican Radio.

How about the Musical Youth song Pass The Dutchie?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on June 25, 2022, 04:03:54 PM
I've heard it; it's funny the way Mexican Radio by Wall of Voodoo is funny.

Then you should check out Celtic Frost's cover of the song, it's hilarious  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on June 25, 2022, 04:33:39 PM
I've heard it; it's funny the way Mexican Radio by Wall of Voodoo is funny.

Then you should check out Celtic Frost's cover of the song, it's hilarious  :laugh:

Hey! I actually prefer their version! Into the Pandemonium is an avant-garde metal masterpiece! I think it’s the only album I still own that would qualify in some circles as “black metal”
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 25, 2022, 06:08:21 PM
Mexican Radio, while not really my cup of tea, actually sounded like a song made by professional musicians.  I Want to Be a Lifeguard...not so much - but...they got a video played on MTV and I didn't, so....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 26, 2022, 11:35:43 PM
Inspired by all the Blaze... err... discussion(?) in the other thread, tonight I listened to Silicon Messiah (his first solo album) for the first time in probably close to 10 years. And, wow, this really holds up. It's a really strong album. The songwriting is there, and that first "B L A Z E" band could really play. Stare at the Sun is a classic in my book, but The Hunger is also fantastic.

And even as a fan of Blaze's performances on the two Maiden albums, wow does he sound that much better when he has the creative control to tailor the music to his voice.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 27, 2022, 12:37:54 AM
Blaze’s vocals on the beginning of Stare at the Sun are fantastic and the overall vocal performance on this solo album is better than anything captured on the Maiden albums. I can listen to this album and enjoy it for what it is but that ‘Blaze tone’ that I don’t enjoy is still present.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 27, 2022, 12:45:39 AM
John Salter and Steve Wray were a great guitar duo.  Jeff Singer on drums too.  Terrific album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 27, 2022, 01:56:05 AM
I've loved that album for almost half my life. I finally got it on CD last year.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 27, 2022, 02:20:03 AM
Inspired by all the Blaze... err... discussion(?) in the other thread, tonight I listened to Silicon Messiah (his first solo album) for the first time in probably close to 10 years. And, wow, this really holds up. It's a really strong album. The songwriting is there, and that first "B L A Z E" band could really play. Stare at the Sun is a classic in my book, but The Hunger is also fantastic.

And even as a fan of Blaze's performances on the two Maiden albums, wow does he sound that much better when he has the creative control to tailor the music to his voice.

100% this!

I will add his performance on last year's War Within Me were also stellar and possibly his finest album since Silicon Messiah and Tenth Dimension \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 27, 2022, 04:28:17 AM
I've loved that album for almost half my life. I finally got it on CD last year.  :metal

The bonus tracks are excellent also.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on June 28, 2022, 12:59:57 PM
Agreed on the first two Blaze albums - the songs are great and the band is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on June 28, 2022, 02:42:20 PM
Late to this discussion, but I have nothing but respect for Blaze. In some ways, stepping in for Bruce was the hardest replacement in heavy rock/metal. Think about it. Yeah, Dio replaced Ozzy in Sabbath, but anyone who knows singing knows Ozzy isn't a great singer, even back then. Sammy Hagar replaced David Lee Roth, but again, DLR was not a good singer.

But here comes Blaze replacing Bruce Fucking Dickinson. That's a tall order. And they expected him to sing the stuff like Bruce. Really tough. At least when Ripper Owens replaced Rob Halford, Ripper  had that voice that could do that justice. Blaze was just behind the 8-ball, and it was totally unfair. (Again, commenting in retrospect.)

I prefer the Blaze-era Maiden tunes with Bruce singing. But IMO, that's because they were all written with the "Maiden sound" in mind, which has Bruce all over it. But Blaze doing his own stuff, or things re-arranged for his voice? Dude can sing damn good.

A ton of respect.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2022, 02:45:15 PM
Well said  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 28, 2022, 03:01:00 PM
I very much agree with Samsara, with the exception that I prefer a lot of Blaze's performances on his Maiden songs (The Clansman is the notable exception where I think Bruce is markedly better). But I definitely think that Steve asked Blaze to do things that he shouldn't have been asked to do. That's most apparent when you look at them going on tour and playing Bruce-era material in the original tuning. There are songs, like The Clairvoyant, where you can hear Blaze making a valiant effort to modify them to fit his range, but it's still just too high for him to do. He shouldn't have been put in that position.

Of course, you'll never hear Blaze say anything but how grateful he is for the opportunity to sing with Maiden and how meaningful the experience was to him. And I think he has made the most of it while still being committed to having his own creative output as an artist, not just being a nostalgia act.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 28, 2022, 08:24:06 PM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2022, 08:26:49 PM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

As long as I've been listening to music, that's something I can never pick up on.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on June 28, 2022, 08:29:40 PM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

Can I answer this? :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 28, 2022, 08:51:19 PM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

They did?  To be fair, I've never paid attention to Bruces version.  I didn't think Maiden ever did this.

They would have just played it in a different key instead of detuning.  The original from memory is in F# I think.  Maybe they just dropped it to E?  I'm not at home so I can't confirm.

I've always said they should have played in E flat live for Blaze, but I don't think Steve would have a bar of it so I'm shocked they did this for LOTF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 28, 2022, 08:58:05 PM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

Can I answer this? :P

Go on then
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 28, 2022, 10:42:18 PM
I don't have the music theoretical wherewithal to comment on the tuning of the DotR Lord of the Flies, but I just don't think it's a very good version. It feels too fast, and I don't think the song suits Bruce's voice well. That performance is what keeps me reconciled to stuff like Fortunes of War and Edge of Darkness staying on the shelf forever. Sign of the Cross is a good song for Bruce to sing, it's the best song on The X Factor, and it's kept that album occasionally represented in their setlists.

I do think it would be cool for them to pull out Futureal, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 28, 2022, 10:57:30 PM
Bruce has nailed Futureal on the Ed Hunter stour, so I’d be keen to see that come back. Maybe after Senjutsu if they’re still a while away from calling it quits, they could do a 90s history tour for a change. Not that that will happen but we I’d be in for it. I remember it was nice rumoured as a Japan and Australia exclusive after Maiden England before Book of Souls. Didn’t happen, but I hope it does someday.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 28, 2022, 11:25:44 PM
Bruce has nailed Futureal on the Ed Hunter stour, so I’d be keen to see that come back. Maybe after Senjutsu if they’re still a while away from calling it quits, they could do a 90s history tour for a change. Not that that will happen but we I’d be in for it. I remember it was nice rumoured as a Japan and Australia exclusive after Maiden England before Book of Souls. Didn’t happen, but I hope it does someday.

Huh, that's the first I've heard of that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2022, 05:01:08 AM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

They did?  To be fair, I've never paid attention to Bruces version.  I didn't think Maiden ever did this.

They would have just played it in a different key instead of detuning.  The original from memory is in F# I think.  Maybe they just dropped it to E?  I'm not at home so I can't confirm.

I've always said they should have played in E flat live for Blaze, but I don't think Steve would have a bar of it so I'm shocked they did this for LOTF.

Can now confirm this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2022, 05:24:45 AM
So in this thread I just learned that David Lee Roth was not a good singer. LOL
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 29, 2022, 06:04:13 AM
... they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

Tells me that Bruce has more say in the band than Blaze had. It's well known that one of Bruce's demands for returning was that he had a greater say.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2022, 06:13:34 AM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

They did?  To be fair, I've never paid attention to Bruces version.  I didn't think Maiden ever did this.

They would have just played it in a different key instead of detuning.  The original from memory is in F# I think.  Maybe they just dropped it to E?  I'm not at home so I can't confirm.

I've always said they should have played in E flat live for Blaze, but I don't think Steve would have a bar of it so I'm shocked they did this for LOTF.

Not like I can assign you homework or anything, but can you weigh in on this?  I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but it's a fairly bold statement given that Harris has taken so much criticism for "never" doing it.  I think even Bruce made comments to that effect at one point.

In any event, I agree with Samsara (except for the knocks on Ozzy and especially David Lee Roth.  Neither man's voice really held up over the years, and there have always been sort of rumors that Roth sings everything one line at a time in the studio, since he can't string together a complete song in one go, but I think he's got some really good vocal parts in the VH catalogue.  Same with Ozzy.  As good as Dio and Ozzy are, neither one could really do justice to their predecessors material, IMO.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 29, 2022, 06:24:58 AM
Lovely new interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt3lG1TuKYQ

Iron Maiden discussion from around the 21 minute mark. Couple of titbits I never knew about regarding material that ended up on Silicon Messiah.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2022, 06:38:25 AM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

They did?  To be fair, I've never paid attention to Bruces version.  I didn't think Maiden ever did this.

They would have just played it in a different key instead of detuning.  The original from memory is in F# I think.  Maybe they just dropped it to E?  I'm not at home so I can't confirm.

I've always said they should have played in E flat live for Blaze, but I don't think Steve would have a bar of it so I'm shocked they did this for LOTF.

Not like I can assign you homework or anything, but can you weigh in on this?  I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but it's a fairly bold statement given that Harris has taken so much criticism for "never" doing it.  I think even Bruce made comments to that effect at one point.

In any event, I agree with Samsara (except for the knocks on Ozzy and especially David Lee Roth.  Neither man's voice really held up over the years, and there have always been sort of rumors that Roth sings everything one line at a time in the studio, since he can't string together a complete song in one go, but I think he's got some really good vocal parts in the VH catalogue.  Same with Ozzy.  As good as Dio and Ozzy are, neither one could really do justice to their predecessors material, IMO.)

Weigh in on what?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2022, 06:39:12 AM
... they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

Tells me that Bruce has more say in the band than Blaze had. It's well known that one of Bruce's demands for returning was that he had a greater say.

Tuning to Eb these days wouldn't hurt Bruce either just quietly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2022, 06:41:41 AM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

They did?  To be fair, I've never paid attention to Bruces version.  I didn't think Maiden ever did this.

They would have just played it in a different key instead of detuning.  The original from memory is in F# I think.  Maybe they just dropped it to E?  I'm not at home so I can't confirm.

I've always said they should have played in E flat live for Blaze, but I don't think Steve would have a bar of it so I'm shocked they did this for LOTF.

Not like I can assign you homework or anything, but can you weigh in on this?  I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but it's a fairly bold statement given that Harris has taken so much criticism for "never" doing it.  I think even Bruce made comments to that effect at one point.

In any event, I agree with Samsara (except for the knocks on Ozzy and especially David Lee Roth.  Neither man's voice really held up over the years, and there have always been sort of rumors that Roth sings everything one line at a time in the studio, since he can't string together a complete song in one go, but I think he's got some really good vocal parts in the VH catalogue.  Same with Ozzy.  As good as Dio and Ozzy are, neither one could really do justice to their predecessors material, IMO.)

Weigh in on what?

Whether they dropped the key of TLOTF for Bruce.

EDIT:  Forget it; I just saw your post.  So did they detune a half step, or change the key entirely?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2022, 06:44:09 AM
... they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

Tells me that Bruce has more say in the band than Blaze had. It's well known that one of Bruce's demands for returning was that he had a greater say.

I don't know if he has THAT kind of say, but he does have a lot of pull in the band at this point.  It's my understanding that he's got carte blanche for the stage show aspect.  I always thought Steve kept the reigns on the studio work and the live MUSIC aspect, but I'm pretty sure Bruce choreographed the whole Legacy of the Beast show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2022, 06:52:39 AM
  It's my understanding that he's got carte blanche for the stage show aspect.  I always thought Steve kept the reigns on the studio work and the live MUSIC aspect, but I'm pretty sure Bruce choreographed the whole Legacy of the Beast show.

Stads, don't take this as I'm doubting you at all, because I am not, but I would love to see any reference to this somewhere. I actually find this very interesting and would love to hear more about it.

And seriously, other than the TFF stage, from (and including) Dance Of Death on, their stage shows are fucking amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2022, 06:56:15 AM
  It's my understanding that he's got carte blanche for the stage show aspect.  I always thought Steve kept the reigns on the studio work and the live MUSIC aspect, but I'm pretty sure Bruce choreographed the whole Legacy of the Beast show.

Stads, don't take this as I'm doubting you at all, because I am not, but I would love to see any reference to this somewhere. I actually find this very interesting and would love to hear more about it.

And seriously, other than the TFF stage, from (and including) Dance Of Death on, their stage shows are fucking amazing.

I don't take it that way at all; I'll look to see if I can find some sources.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on June 29, 2022, 07:03:57 AM
For what it's worth, from reading interviews here and there I was too under the impression that the Legacy of the Beast tour is Bruce's idea, from the setlist to the stage set.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2022, 07:05:13 AM
Whoever is responsible for the stage presentation is a fucking genius. It's like a Broadway show at a rock concert. And they make it all work.


For what it's worth, from reading interviews here and there I was too under the impression that the Legacy of the Beast tour is Bruce's idea, from the setlist to the stage set.

Awesome! Thanks Andrea!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 29, 2022, 08:42:59 AM
Lovely new interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt3lG1TuKYQ

Iron Maiden discussion from around the 21 minute mark. Couple of titbits I never knew about regarding material that ended up on Silicon Messiah.

Very cool interview cheers.

War Within Me is an incredible album, fantastic songs and back to excellent production and fantastic artwork. Had it at #2 and just behind Senjutsu in my 2021 year end rankings but tbh could've gone either way but will probably end up up my second favorite of his solo catalogue behind Silicon Messiah but ahead of Tenth Dimension before too long \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on June 29, 2022, 08:50:35 AM
Tim - the reason you can't hear it when a band downtunes is because you're an old fogey with bad ears after all those shows in the 80s my friend. LOL. I don't know how to explain it, other than by just hearing it. I'm an...okay singer, and I can absolutely hear when things are either downtuned or in a different key. I just listen to where my voice goes, and I can tell based on the original album. I am sure some of the more polished singers and the great musicians on here can tell you more.

re: DLR and Ozzy come on folks. I'm not saying I dislike their vocal performances. Obviously, I love some Sabbath/Ozzy solo and I love early VH. But Ozzy and DLR aren't blowing anyone away with their range and vocal control. In their prime, they were average, at best. Doesn't meant they weren't great for their respective bands at the time. But if you put Dio next to Ozzy, and Sammy next to DLR, there's no way on God's green Earth you could convince ANYONE that Sammy and Dio don't blow those two away in all aspects of pure SINGING.  :lol

Anyway, again, much respect for Blaze. I have yet to see him live. I am hoping that at some point, he'll be able to play a few shows on the West Coast.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 29, 2022, 08:55:21 AM
I saw him three times and he knocked it out of the park every single time. He once performed an acoustic gig and the entire place was trembling, his voice was enough to fill the room. I also enjoyed how, both times when he came back with the full band, the majority of the set list featured his solo songs, which absolutely should be the case.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2022, 08:58:56 AM
Tim - the reason you can't hear it when a band downtunes is because you're an old fogey with bad ears after all those shows in the 80s my friend. LOL. I don't know how to explain it, other than by just hearing it.

Hah.. truth, brother! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2022, 09:37:48 AM

re: DLR and Ozzy come on folks. I'm not saying I dislike their vocal performances. Obviously, I love some Sabbath/Ozzy solo and I love early VH. But Ozzy and DLR aren't blowing anyone away with their range and vocal control. In their prime, they were average, at best. Doesn't meant they weren't great for their respective bands at the time. But if you put Dio next to Ozzy, and Sammy next to DLR, there's no way on God's green Earth you could convince ANYONE that Sammy and Dio don't blow those two away in all aspects of pure SINGING.  :lol

I just think it's more complicated than that.  Dave, technically, has a five octave range.  Can he scream like Sammy for two hours a night?  Nope.  But he's got a broad palate of sounds to choose from and if that's your thing as a singer, then that's your thing. I sang in bands as well (though not in a while) and I'd rather sing Sammy than Dave.  Ozzy less so, but his problem is more his nasally tone than an inability to sing.  In his prime, he held notes and had a fairly reasonable range for a singer.

In both cases, the one distinguishing feature is, Sammy and Ronny both took care of their voices and had little drop off as they got older.  You can distinguish between the 20's Ozzy/Dave and the 50's Ozzy/Dave even with TAC's ears. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2022, 09:51:53 AM
Haha, I can vouch for that.  :lol

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2022, 09:58:48 AM
Silicon Messiah is not one of my go to Blaze albums. Those would be Promise & Terror and The Man Who Would Not Die. But I busted it out for the first time in a long time.
I can definitely see Maiden playing parts of this.

Also, is it me or does the beginning of The Launch sound like the beginning of Kill The King from On Stage?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
I think if Maiden had been open to tuning down, Blaze would’ve done a lot better. Seeing as though they lowered the key of Lord of the Flies for Bruce on Death in the Road though, what does that tell you?

They did?  To be fair, I've never paid attention to Bruces version.  I didn't think Maiden ever did this.

They would have just played it in a different key instead of detuning.  The original from memory is in F# I think.  Maybe they just dropped it to E?  I'm not at home so I can't confirm.

I've always said they should have played in E flat live for Blaze, but I don't think Steve would have a bar of it so I'm shocked they did this for LOTF.

Not like I can assign you homework or anything, but can you weigh in on this?  I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but it's a fairly bold statement given that Harris has taken so much criticism for "never" doing it.  I think even Bruce made comments to that effect at one point.

In any event, I agree with Samsara (except for the knocks on Ozzy and especially David Lee Roth.  Neither man's voice really held up over the years, and there have always been sort of rumors that Roth sings everything one line at a time in the studio, since he can't string together a complete song in one go, but I think he's got some really good vocal parts in the VH catalogue.  Same with Ozzy.  As good as Dio and Ozzy are, neither one could really do justice to their predecessors material, IMO.)

Weigh in on what?

Whether they dropped the key of TLOTF for Bruce.

EDIT:  Forget it; I just saw your post.  So did they detune a half step, or change the key entirely?

It's down a whole step for Bruce, so the band didn't detune, they just transposed it and played it in their go to key of E for Bruce.  Again, I never picked up on this and I think this maybe the only time they have ever changed a key.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 29, 2022, 04:50:17 PM
That might explain part of why I don't love that version. I cited that I don't think the song is great for Bruce's voice and that the tempo is faster, both of which I think are true and part of it, but I also definitely feel like something is a little different about it that I don't love and that is hard to attribute to either of those factors.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 29, 2022, 06:17:14 PM
Silicon Messiah is not one of my go to Blaze albums. Those would be Promise & Terror and The Man Who Would Not Die. But I busted it out for the first time in a long time.
I can definitely see Maiden playing parts of this.

Also, is it me or does the beginning of The Launch sound like the beginning of Kill The King from On Stage?

For all my love of Silicon and Tenth etc I can't argue with this, both The Man and Promise And Terror were fantastic and speak volumes of the man's tenacity after being unceremoniously kicked from Maiden (no doubt made all the more difficult to swallow while enthusiastically working towards the next Maiden record), failing to launch ( ;)) a solo career (always wondered why he was never offered a support slot for a Maiden tour about that time!?), not just once but twice!  And of course the sad loss of his partner and ending up financially ruined all about that time...

Yeah, lots of love and respect for The Man Who Would Not and Promise, lots of life reflection in both (the finale of Promise And Terror is particularly outstanding in this aspect) yet class metal albums too boot!

Love his stuff or not, gotta hand it to the man to finally be going so strong after all that (and I might add releasing what is arguably one of the finest records of his career in 2021) is quite something \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2022, 08:25:26 PM
Hey how about that great solo work of Bruce Dickinson? :smiley:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2022, 09:21:42 PM
The Man Who Would Not Die has always been my fav album.  Something about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 29, 2022, 09:35:26 PM
Hey how about that great solo work of Bruce Dickinson? :smiley:

Now don't get me started on that  :rollin

That stuff's elite! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 29, 2022, 09:37:37 PM
I bought Promise and Terror last year but got distracted with other styles of music and didn't listen to it. Listening for the first time now, and yeah, this is really good stuff. Strong songs and Blaze sounds great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2022, 10:18:34 PM
I bought Promise and Terror last year but got distracted with other styles of music and didn't listen to it. Listening for the first time now, and yeah, this is really good stuff. Strong songs and Blaze sounds great.

This one took a long time to grow for me, but it's nice and heavy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 29, 2022, 11:02:56 PM
For me, you can't beat Silicon Messiah and The Tenth Dimension although I think the only weak album in his catalogue is The King of Metal. Last album wasn't bad at all, nor was the William Black trilogy. Although I thought the over the top operatic style was hilarious at first :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 30, 2022, 06:15:00 AM
Blood and Belief is criminally underrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 30, 2022, 07:10:50 AM
Blood and Belief is criminally underrated.

You're probably right. I'm just listening to it now, funnily enough. It's far more similar stylistically and sonically to the first two albums than I remember.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 30, 2022, 07:15:45 AM
Blood and Belief is criminally underrated.

You're probably right. I'm just listening to it now, funnily enough. It's far more similar stylistically and sonically to the first two albums than I remember.

Its like the third part of the trilogy.  The title track might be my favourite Blaze track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2022, 07:54:37 AM
Blood and Belief is criminally underrated.

You're probably right. I'm just listening to it now, funnily enough. It's far more similar stylistically and sonically to the first two albums than I remember.

Its like the third part of the trilogy.  The title track might be my favourite Blaze track.

Yea, those first three Blaze albums may be his best.  I don't know, but they are like classics for Blaze.  Obviously he still makes great music, but I hold those three more highly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on June 30, 2022, 07:57:16 AM
Blood and Belief is criminally underrated.

You're probably right. I'm just listening to it now, funnily enough. It's far more similar stylistically and sonically to the first two albums than I remember.

Its like the third part of the trilogy.  The title track might be my favourite Blaze track.

Yea, those first three Blaze albums may be his best.  I don't know, but they are like classics for Blaze.  Obviously he still makes great music, but I hold those three more highly.

I definitely prefer the first 2-3 Blaze albums to any of his recent albums.  Silicon Messiah is still my favorite.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 30, 2022, 08:57:34 AM
Blood and Belief is criminally underrated.

You're probably right. I'm just listening to it now, funnily enough. It's far more similar stylistically and sonically to the first two albums than I remember.

Its like the third part of the trilogy.  The title track might be my favourite Blaze track.

So far as the album goes that would be Soundtrack Of My Life fer me  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 30, 2022, 09:12:03 AM
I was inspired to open a Blaze Bayley thread by the recent discussion:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57553.0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 30, 2022, 03:40:59 PM
I was inspired to open a Blaze Bayley thread by the recent discussion:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57553.0

This is the Blaze Bayley thread, isn't it?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2022, 03:47:14 PM
I was inspired to open a Blaze Bayley thread by the recent discussion:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57553.0

This is the Blaze Bayley thread, isn't it?  :lol


No, this is.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57471.1015   ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 30, 2022, 03:49:56 PM
So if there's already two, do we need a third? I guess we do!

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2022, 04:22:05 PM
I mean, there are clearly some people who hate Blaze enough to try to derail any conversation about him that goes on too long in an Iron Maiden thread, so if a separate thread solves that problem, I'm fine with it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 30, 2022, 04:29:39 PM
I mean, there are clearly some people who hate Blaze enough to try to derail any conversation about him that goes on too long in an Iron Maiden thread, so if a separate thread solves that problem, I'm fine with it.

haha, we are clealy just taking the piss mate, the separate thread is a good idea.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2022, 05:22:37 PM
I think 90% of people are taking the piss, and 10% are definitely not.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on June 30, 2022, 06:29:42 PM
Feels like my ears are burning :lol :P, but I will just say that I do not hate Bayley; I just don't like him as a singer. I will see myself out now.  :tup :tup

Edit: fixed that to make it sound a little nicer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on July 09, 2022, 06:48:43 AM
Is it controversial to say Beast over Hammersmith is the best Maiden live album? Live After Death is iconic and I love it, other releases like Maiden England, Rock in Rio and Death on the Road are superb as well but I'm listening to Beast over Hammersmith right now and it just feels like the band is on fire. 1982, The Number of the Beast isn't even out yet until a few days, and the band delivers killer live versions of most songs on the album as well as fantastic versions of songs from the debut and Killers. I forgot how much I love a song like Drifter because they just don't play that anymore.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on July 09, 2022, 10:36:19 AM
Is it controversial to say Beast over Hammersmith is the best Maiden live album? Live After Death is iconic and I love it, other releases like Maiden England, Rock in Rio and Death on the Road are superb as well but I'm listening to Beast over Hammersmith right now and it just feels like the band is on fire. 1982, The Number of the Beast isn't even out yet until a few days, and the band delivers killer live versions of most songs on the album as well as fantastic versions of songs from the debut and Killers. I forgot how much I love a song like Drifter because they just don't play that anymore.

Nope! Beast over Hammersmith is easily their best live album to me. Next up is Live After Death.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on July 09, 2022, 04:47:10 PM
Live after Death is number 1 for me but I totally agree with everything else you said about Beast over Hammersmith. No doubt the band is on fire and Bruce especially is amazing and delivers some blistering vocal performances especially in some of the Dianno tracks. Awesome album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2022, 08:52:22 AM
https://youtu.be/i58AJ9w7rf0 (https://youtu.be/i58AJ9w7rf0)

Wow  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 17, 2022, 04:05:05 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2022, 04:07:15 PM
I think Bruce was upset because an ...um...Blaze showed up. ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 17, 2022, 04:12:35 PM
I think Bruce was upset because an ...um...Blaze showed up. ;D

Oh dear.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2022, 04:19:51 PM
I think Bruce was upset because an ...um...Blaze showed up. ;D

Oh dear.  :lol

It was a sign for him to be ...cross.








Sorry. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2022, 04:34:25 PM
I think Bruce was upset because an ...um...Blaze showed up. ;D

Oh dear.  :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on July 17, 2022, 04:40:10 PM
Sucks that Bruce got so upset, but this might be the first time they performed most of the intro as an instrumental!

And then when Bruce comes back (singing from the backstage, apparently) he starts with the second post-intro verse (Torches blazed etc.) and sings the whole thing out of sync with the rest of the band. What a weird, unique event! Then he comes back to the stage, but takes a while to settle into the song.

Another lyrical change: "I'm coming back, I will return/And I'll possess your body and YOU'LL MAKE ATHENS FUCKING BURN"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjg5UNU7tbI

Then he goes into "scream for me athens" like nothing ever happened, hahah
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 18, 2022, 02:11:05 AM
I don't know what it is with Greece and flares. This isn't the first time this has happend. Back in 1999, someone in the audience in Greece lit the fire, making it impossible for Bruce to breathe. He was ready to stop the concert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhYTOkdcUxI&ab_channel=csdrunks

It's interesting that it's the same thing 23 years later.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 18, 2022, 07:15:31 AM
Now I wanna go see Iron Maiden.  They are so much fun live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2022, 07:48:49 AM
I saw another video from that Greek concert and there were 5 flares going in that crowd.  I don't know how they get in with those and how security doesn't get them to put it out.  It certainly looks cool from the stand view, but I'm not sure I want to be standing next to someone on the floor who's holding one of those. 

I don't think it's just a Greek thing, but in En Vivo you can see people have flares and I think in some of the Flight 666 videos from South America there are some. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on July 18, 2022, 10:02:18 AM
Yeah, I definitely would not want to be next to a (likely drunk) person holding a flare. Boggles my mind seeing comments on the videos basically saying he shouldn't have minded because "it's a rock concert!" Yeah, it's a rock concert, where the point is to see the band, not smoke up the venue so much that the singer can't perform or worry that the idiot next to me is about to set me on fire.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 19, 2022, 01:50:44 AM
I cannot see a scenario in which it would be justified for a fan to light up a fire in the middle of the audience during a rock concert. Maybe it's a cultural thing, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2022, 03:52:49 AM
Yeah, I definitely would not want to be next to a (likely drunk) person holding a flare. Boggles my mind seeing comments on the videos basically saying he shouldn't have minded because "it's a rock concert!" Yeah, it's a rock concert, where the point is to see the band, not smoke up the venue so much that the singer can't perform or worry that the idiot next to me is about to set me on fire.

You'd think that one of the seminal songs of the genre, Smoke on the Water, would have taught something to people....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 19, 2022, 04:11:06 AM
You'd think that one of the seminal songs of the genre, Smoke on the Water, would have taught something to people....

Burn down a venue, recklessly endangering life and they might just write a classic rock song about YOU!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2022, 05:03:25 AM
You'd think that one of the seminal songs of the genre, Smoke on the Water, would have taught something to people....

Burn down a venue, recklessly endangering life and they might just write a classic rock song about YOU!

Hey, you have a point  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 19, 2022, 07:16:10 AM
Which is sort of fascinating, since Jannick played with Ian Gillan, and all of them - especially Bruce - have cited Deep Purple as a primary influence.  Plus, Martin Birch...   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2022, 08:08:16 AM
I cannot see a scenario in which it would be justified for a fan to light up a fire in the middle of the audience during a rock concert. Maybe it's a cultural thing, I don't know.

It's celebratory for Greek people  :facepalm:

https://blabbermouth.net/news/queensryches-todd-la-torre-lighting-flares-at-concerts-is-a-celebratory-thing-for-greek-people (https://blabbermouth.net/news/queensryches-todd-la-torre-lighting-flares-at-concerts-is-a-celebratory-thing-for-greek-people)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on July 20, 2022, 10:30:01 PM
Bruce's best rant is still The Ice Cube Incident. "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!" :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 20, 2022, 10:34:01 PM
Bruce's best rant is still The Ice Cube Incident. "Fuck you and horse you rode in on!" :lol

I don't recall that one.  I'll have to look it up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on July 21, 2022, 05:55:16 AM
I think I've got the bootleg but... I've just moved house and left all my bootlegs behind. They're scheduled to be thrown into a skip but maybe I'll make an attempt to rescue that one since not much comes up in an internet search. There's a thread about it at https://maidenfans.com/2004/the-ice-cube-incident but it's not a full transcription, alas.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 21, 2022, 06:09:38 AM
He has two rants at two separate points in Providence in 1991. I'll try and transcribe them when I get a chance, but I think he called a guy a "scumsucking fuck brain"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on July 25, 2022, 08:47:33 PM
The Daily Doug did The Thin Line Between Love And Hate today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6fw72mbKM
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on July 25, 2022, 11:05:47 PM
The Daily Doug did The Thin Line Between Love And Hate today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6fw72mbKM

Oh, brilliant. Thanks for sharing. Was in my personal top ten.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 26, 2022, 05:43:07 AM
The Daily Doug did The Thin Line Between Love And Hate today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6fw72mbKM

I can't stand this guy anymore.  He gives me the shits.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on July 27, 2022, 04:41:49 AM
Another brilliant break down video from Licks Of The Beast
Not a cover, not a play through, if you want to know all the guitar parts from 'Infinite Dreams'
https://youtu.be/Ux7fsAe8cK0
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 15, 2022, 11:40:32 AM
Iron Maiden - Drums with Nicko and Pooch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO0DPf0kGr4&t=1012s&ab_channel=IronMaiden)

I love how much they go into the detail, really interesting stuff!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on August 16, 2022, 09:02:40 AM
The Daily Doug did The Thin Line Between Love And Hate today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6fw72mbKM

I can't stand this guy anymore.  He gives me the shits.

Can I ask why mate?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2022, 11:32:25 PM
The Daily Doug did The Thin Line Between Love And Hate today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6fw72mbKM

I can't stand this guy anymore.  He gives me the shits.

Can I ask why mate?

I'm easily annoyed.  :lol

Just comes across a bit.......I dunno......arrogant.  I did watch this one actually and it wasn't that bad.  I appreciate his appreciation for Maiden plus a few others I've seen though.  He talks over parts too, I hate when people do that.  Saying the lyrics of the line he just heard to the camera while talking over more lyrics, I hate that.  Like yes we know the lyrics mate

I guess he started analysing more of the lyrics than the music too which I found boring.  I want his insight on the music which there was a bit more of in this one.  I like how he can pick the keys and key changes but I want more.  I already know what he knows and what he's saying but at the same time, I know a band like Maiden is simple as fuck in terms of musical structure and complexity so there's sometimes not a hell of a lot to say.

Its a me thing.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on August 17, 2022, 01:47:19 AM
The Daily Doug did The Thin Line Between Love And Hate today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6fw72mbKM

I can't stand this guy anymore.  He gives me the shits.

Can I ask why mate?

I'm easily annoyed.  :lol

Just comes across a bit.......I dunno......arrogant.  I did watch this one actually and it wasn't that bad.  I appreciate his appreciation for Maiden plus a few others I've seen though.  He talks over parts too, I hate when people do that.  Saying the lyrics of the line he just heard to the camera while talking over more lyrics, I hate that.  Like yes we know the lyrics mate

I guess he started analysing more of the lyrics than the music too which I found boring.  I want his insight on the music which there was a bit more of in this one.  I like how he can pick the keys and key changes but I want more.  I already know what he knows and what he's saying but at the same time, I know a band like Maiden is simple as fuck in terms of musical structure and complexity so there's sometimes not a hell of a lot to say.

Its a me thing.  :lol

Alrighty then! ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 07, 2022, 12:20:19 AM
Well, the Brazilian tour came and went, and so did my time with Eddie and the boys!

I saw them in São Paulo and was surprised at how COLD the audience seemed. In all my concert-going days I couldn't have pictured such a mild crowd for this show! But then again, the weather was indeed cold by São Paulo standards (about 13°C/55°F), with drizzle over the afternoon... maybe that prevented people from going all out.

But the band itself was SPECTACULAR! It really feels like they're on a roll, every member felt like they were going all out on their instruments. I've seen Dave getting a bit mellow before, for instance, but not so here. Almost as lively as Janick (who edges out because of his crazy dancing and guitar swishing moves).

After not knowing if concerts would ever be a thing again, I felt blessed watching Iron Maiden do their thing. Any qualms about the setlist being a bit too Greatest Hits-y withered away. They were magnificent.

But the real reason I'm bumping this thread is to point out that their Rock in Rio '22 broadcast from a few days ago might just have some of the best audio quality for a live Maiden concert I've EVER witnessed. Youtube compression notwithstanding, I'm really surprised at how you can easily pick out what each guitar is playing at any given time. Even the backing vocals are properly separated and enhanced! The drums sound FANTASTIC as well, much better than what my ears could pick up in São Paulo (that's stadium sound for you).

Quite interesting that during Janick's solo in Blood Brothers the camera alternates between him and Post Malone in the crowd balancing a cup on his head and goofing around.

Here's the upload for y'all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfkcq_Do75U

EDIT:

Just a couple of highlights off the top of my head from the show I attended:
- the first bass note in Sign of the Cross was the first time the bass really stood out from the live mix, and WHOAH did it have an effect on me. I almost thought he was playing the acoustic bass since it sounded so pungent, but not so. The overall sound quality went from a muffled mess for the first two tracks to increasingly better as the night went on, which is normal, I guess.

- Steve's backing vocal parts in Iron Maiden were REALLY loud. Surprisingly so, might've been the highlight of the night for me to hear him so clearly.

- The fact that the weather was so shitty didn't get lost on Bruce, who commented on it during his pre-Blood Brothers speech. Good opportunity to mention how ASTOUNDING the man sounds live. Nothing can get this man down, he's a treasure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 07, 2022, 02:23:03 AM
The Daily Doug did The Thin Line Between Love And Hate today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6fw72mbKM

I can't stand this guy anymore.  He gives me the shits.

Can I ask why mate?

I'm easily annoyed.  :lol

Just comes across a bit.......I dunno......arrogant.  I did watch this one actually and it wasn't that bad.  I appreciate his appreciation for Maiden plus a few others I've seen though.  He talks over parts too, I hate when people do that.  Saying the lyrics of the line he just heard to the camera while talking over more lyrics, I hate that.  Like yes we know the lyrics mate

I guess he started analysing more of the lyrics than the music too which I found boring.  I want his insight on the music which there was a bit more of in this one.  I like how he can pick the keys and key changes but I want more.  I already know what he knows and what he's saying but at the same time, I know a band like Maiden is simple as fuck in terms of musical structure and complexity so there's sometimes not a hell of a lot to say.

Its a me thing.  :lol


I get the same issues with Elizabeth on The Charismatic Voice. These sort of channels are fun when you're watching someone who really understands music listening to a genre of music they've never heard before, and have no knowledge of, and watching them truly appreciate metal with fresh eyes - it reminded me of why I love this music. But pretty soon their choices become governed by the pretty narrow tastes of their patreons, and they just end up become part of the metal scene, and have to temper what they say and what they review to keep artists and labels on side, especially once they become dependant on access to artists for interviews, backstage access, etc. Doug is no longer a classical musician exploring metal for the first time, he's now a part of the record industry promotion machine for metal artists.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2022, 04:47:43 AM
The Daily Doug did The Thin Line Between Love And Hate today..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD6fw72mbKM

I can't stand this guy anymore.  He gives me the shits.

Can I ask why mate?

I'm easily annoyed.  :lol

Just comes across a bit.......I dunno......arrogant.  I did watch this one actually and it wasn't that bad.  I appreciate his appreciation for Maiden plus a few others I've seen though.  He talks over parts too, I hate when people do that.  Saying the lyrics of the line he just heard to the camera while talking over more lyrics, I hate that.  Like yes we know the lyrics mate

I guess he started analysing more of the lyrics than the music too which I found boring.  I want his insight on the music which there was a bit more of in this one.  I like how he can pick the keys and key changes but I want more.  I already know what he knows and what he's saying but at the same time, I know a band like Maiden is simple as fuck in terms of musical structure and complexity so there's sometimes not a hell of a lot to say.

Its a me thing.  :lol


I get the same issues with Elizabeth on The Charismatic Voice. These sort of channels are fun when you're watching someone who really understands music listening to a genre of music they've never heard before, and have no knowledge of, and watching them truly appreciate metal with fresh eyes - it reminded me of why I love this music. But pretty soon their choices become governed by the pretty narrow tastes of their patreons, and they just end up become part of the metal scene, and have to temper what they say and what they review to keep artists and labels on side, especially once they become dependant on access to artists for interviews, backstage access, etc. Doug is no longer a classical musician exploring metal for the first time, he's now a part of the record industry promotion machine for metal artists.

Perhaps this is another reason why he gives me the shits.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 07, 2022, 09:05:08 AM
Here's the upload for y'all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfkcq_Do75U


Thanks for sharing this. Put it on this afternoon while working and it's really good, lovely recording. Bruce sounds great for the most part. Compare and contrast to James's performance at Rock in Rio (which people are curiously waxing lyrical about over in the DT part of the forum).

Edit: ooh, Bruce's performance of Aces High is a bit iffy. Right at the very top of his range now. But still, final song of the show... I mean fancy Aces High being the last song. Crazy decision, presumably by Steve Harris. Same kind of thinking that led to Blaze attempting to sing Bruce's songs in the same bloody key.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 07, 2022, 09:29:17 AM
I get the same issues with Elizabeth on The Charismatic Voice. These sort of channels are fun when you're watching someone who really understands music listening to a genre of music they've never heard before, and have no knowledge of, and watching them truly appreciate metal with fresh eyes - it reminded me of why I love this music. But pretty soon their choices become governed by the pretty narrow tastes of their patreons, and they just end up become part of the metal scene, and have to temper what they say and what they review to keep artists and labels on side, especially once they become dependant on access to artists for interviews, backstage access, etc. Doug is no longer a classical musician exploring metal for the first time, he's now a part of the record industry promotion machine for metal artists.

I don't watch Elizabeth as much as I used to, but I will give her credit for the fact that she still does a lot of non-metal reactions and doesn't repeatedly farm the same small set of artists. Nightwish is probably the band she's done the most, and it looks like she's done ten songs (spread across four different singers), in comparison to the Daily Doug's 26 Iron Maiden reactions. She's also a really good interviewer. A lot of musician interviews can feel kind of cagey, but she really gets people to relax and open up.

It does matter that I always liked her better than Doug. This is true just on a personality basis, but I also found her analysis of vocal technique more interesting than Doug saying what the key or time signature is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 07, 2022, 09:46:11 AM
Here's the upload for y'all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfkcq_Do75U


Thanks for sharing this. Put it on this afternoon while working and it's really good, lovely recording. Bruce sounds great for the most part. Compare and contrast to James's performance at Rock in Rio (which people are curiously waxing lyrical about over in the DT part of the forum).

Edit: ooh, Bruce's performance of Aces High is a bit iffy. Right at the very top of his range now. But still, final song of the show... I mean fancy Aces High being the last song. Crazy decision, presumably by Steve Harris. Same kind of thinking that led to Blaze attempting to sing Bruce's songs in the same bloody key.

It is really intriguing to me how Aces High came to be the LAST song in the set. Since word has it that Rod Smallwood picked the setlist, of all people, I'm left to wonder whether he suggested that placement as well.
Plus, we cannot rule out the possibility that Bruce said "let's go out with Aces High because then the spitfire comes out. I can manage singing it, no problem!". Of course, that might be my pro-Harris bias  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on September 07, 2022, 10:02:43 AM
Indeed excellent video and audio recordings. Considering Bruce's age and stage attitude, his singing is still almost a miracle. In HD:
https://www.guitars101.com/threads/iron-maiden-2022-09-02-rock-in-rio-rio-de-janeiro-brazil-hdtv-1080i-complete-show.786454/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2022, 12:24:30 PM
The band released an official live video for Stratego

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvfDQKtxFM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvfDQKtxFM)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 15, 2022, 05:51:54 PM
Saw them two days ago in Austin. What a memorable show.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on September 16, 2022, 09:59:57 AM
Don't know how this guy got away with it but he filmed the full Austin show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUj9p8aQz3o&t=10s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: countoftuscany42 on September 21, 2022, 05:01:54 PM
Anyone going to Anaheim tomorrow?  Still need to buy a ticket since I've been waiting for the best deal, going to a number of pricey shows in the next few weeks so i need to budget where I can  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 22, 2022, 11:47:43 AM
Anyone going to Anaheim tomorrow?  Still need to buy a ticket since I've been waiting for the best deal, going to a number of pricey shows in the next few weeks so i need to budget where I can  :lol

I'll be there!  Up in section 439, but I'll be in the front row of the section.  I just checked Stubhub, and the cheapest single seat is $108 (with fees), and it's $305 to stand in the mass of people on the floor.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 22, 2022, 11:59:07 AM
Cheapest deal on TickPick right stands at $98.00 in Section 436.  I'm going wait it out for the next few hours.  I rather prefer spending a little less than what I spent in the LA show in 2019 (which around around $70.00).

Edit: At $81.00 now.  Keep it dropping.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2022, 07:14:17 PM
1-800 Kars For Kids  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP0JFPZT0x4
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 24, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
1-800 Kars For Kids  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP0JFPZT0x4

That little girl doing the intro is almost more creepy than the original!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 24, 2022, 03:13:15 PM
That was pretty good, and the vocals were amazingly good with that control. It would be cool to know if these kids formed their own bands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 25, 2022, 01:36:37 AM
1-800 Kars For Kids  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP0JFPZT0x4

That little girl doing the intro is almost more creepy than the original!

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 29, 2022, 06:36:11 PM
Only on Vinyl?  :'(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfN3MEJLoqg
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 29, 2022, 07:01:03 PM
Yeah, I was hoping to see a CD release of BoH to finally break the Eddie's Archive exclusivity, but I guess they're keeping that in place.

I do find it interesting that 'Arry's decided to just come out and release a version of TNotB with Total Eclipse and without Gangland. I think it will now be the best version of the album, but there'll obviously be some controversy about removing a song from the tracklisting of a beloved 40-year-old album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on September 29, 2022, 07:10:35 PM
I do find it interesting that 'Arry's decided to just come out and release a version of TNotB with Total Eclipse and without Gangland. I think it will now be the best version of the album, but there'll obviously be some controversy about removing a song from the tracklisting of a beloved 40-year-old album.

I don’t know if I like it. Revising a historic album for its anniversary? But also, we’re swapping a weak song for a great one that, in all of their eyes at least, should have been on there from the start.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 29, 2022, 08:11:36 PM
It's tough. I think it's undeniably a vast improvement for the album—I think Gangland is the weakest song from those sessions while Total Eclipse is second or third best. But I agree that an anniversary release is probably not the time. The nine track version they've released before might have been the way to go.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 29, 2022, 08:13:31 PM
Interesting.  If that's what 'Arry wants, then why not?  It's not like Gangland can't be listened to or anything.  I never really knew the story behind it but reading it now, fair play.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 30, 2022, 04:37:03 AM
I'm on an island of one here, I know. But this weakens the album for me. Total Eclipse has never done a single thing for me and I just don't get the reverence with which it is treated.

Also: no added value at all in this release, is there? Can't believe their pension funds need it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2022, 04:56:49 AM
I'm on an island of one here, I know. But this weakens the album for me. Total Eclipse has never done a single thing for me and I just don't get the reverence with which it is treated.

Also: no added value at all in this release, is there? Can't believe their pension funds need it.

I’m with you. I’m taking Gangland all day every day over Total Eclipse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2022, 04:58:41 AM
I think both are great songs.  I've always loved the remastered version with both included.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Bentower on September 30, 2022, 05:49:09 AM
Maybe they could've recorded and added in Adrian's missing solo in Gangland instead.  :justjen
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 30, 2022, 05:53:38 AM
I like Gangland, but Total eclipse is a much better song in my opinion. Interesting take to release a version of the album like that, though. I've never made a playlist with Total eclipse instead of Gangland, but I'll have to do it and check out what it sounds like.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2022, 05:54:15 AM
Maybe they could've recorded and added in Adrian's missing solo in Gangland instead.  :justjen

That would be Dave's solo.  Or maybe Janick could throw one in to really throw everyone off!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2022, 05:55:33 AM
I like Gangland, but Total eclipse is a much better song in my opinion. Interesting take to release a version of the album like that, though. I've never made a playlist with Total eclipse instead of Gangland, but I'll have to do it and check out what it sounds like.

Maybe Steve doesn't realise that we can do this.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 30, 2022, 07:54:38 AM
Maybe they could've recorded and added in Adrian's missing solo in Gangland instead.  :justjen

That would be Dave's solo.  Or maybe Janick could throw one in to really throw everyone off!

Laughed out loud! That'd actually be bloody brilliant!

I like Gangland, but Total eclipse is a much better song in my opinion. Interesting take to release a version of the album like that, though. I've never made a playlist with Total eclipse instead of Gangland, but I'll have to do it and check out what it sounds like.

I reckon it'll sound the same but without Gangland.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Bentower on September 30, 2022, 09:32:57 AM
Maybe they could've recorded and added in Adrian's missing solo in Gangland instead.  :justjen

That would be Dave's solo.  Or maybe Janick could throw one in to really throw everyone off!

 :lol

There go those on the fencers!

I couldn't remember whose solo it was so I was going by a Bruce interview I found. Had I listened I would've gotten it right. Never had a problem telling those two apart.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 30, 2022, 10:58:01 AM
I do find it interesting that 'Arry's decided to just come out and release a version of TNotB with Total Eclipse and without Gangland. I think it will now be the best version of the album, but there'll obviously be some controversy about removing a song from the tracklisting of a beloved 40-year-old album.

I don’t know if I like it. Revising a historic album for its anniversary? But also, we’re swapping a weak song for a great one that, in all of their eyes at least, should have been on there from the start.

That's not the case.  They're REMOVING Gangland and ADDING Total Eclipse.


I'm on an island of one here, I know. But this weakens the album for me. Total Eclipse has never done a single thing for me and I just don't get the reverence with which it is treated.

Also: no added value at all in this release, is there? Can't believe their pension funds need it.

I’m with you. I’m taking Gangland all day every day over Total Eclipse.

Now it's an island of three.  I had heard of Total Eclipse but had never heard the song until a few years ago, which is also when I learned about the whole thing with it and Gangland.  So I checked out TE, and it's a big batch of meh.

Also, what are you all talking about a "missing solo"?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Bentower on September 30, 2022, 11:23:59 AM
Here you go, pg:
Quote
Actually there’s a guitar solo that is missing from “Gangland”. It was recorded but we were in such a hurry that it was never mixed and nobody noticed. There’s supposed to be two guitar solos, Dave’s which is on there and then I do this shriek and a big drum roll and there’s this backing track where Adrian’s guitar solo should be. We were all so out of it. There was a massive stack of beer cans in the studio, we actually built an entire wall of beer cans. We had a blast recording that album but there was odd moments of forgetfulness.

That has got to be one of the biggest d'oh!'s in heavy metal history.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 30, 2022, 01:06:46 PM
I've mellowed a bit on Gangland over the years (just hearing it so often) but it is still for me, the weakest link on TNOTB chain, and I ranked Total Eclipse as my number three Iron Maiden song of all time in Kev's poll.  For me, with Total Eclipse on there, Side Two of TNOTB would likely be the greatest album side in metal history:

The Number Of The Beast
Run To The Hills
Total Eclipse
Hallowed Be Thy Name

Funny enough, I've never created a playlist to that effect.  I should though...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 30, 2022, 01:46:41 PM
Here you go, pg:
Quote
Actually there’s a guitar solo that is missing from “Gangland”. It was recorded but we were in such a hurry that it was never mixed and nobody noticed. There’s supposed to be two guitar solos, Dave’s which is on there and then I do this shriek and a big drum roll and there’s this backing track where Adrian’s guitar solo should be. We were all so out of it. There was a massive stack of beer cans in the studio, we actually built an entire wall of beer cans. We had a blast recording that album but there was odd moments of forgetfulness.

That has got to be one of the biggest d'oh!'s in heavy metal history.

So, the second chorus ends at 2:14, and then there's an instrumental section from 2:15-2:43, followed by a scream, and an 8-bar guitar solo from 2:45-2:53.  When the guitar solo stops, the bed track continues for 8-bars, with the vocals re-starting at 3:00.  There's no shriek or drum fill between the end of the solo and the re-starting of the vocals, but I guess that spot between 2:53-3:00 is where the second solo was supposed to go.  Interesting that I'm still hearing new things about a 40 year old album!  Thanks.

As far as Total Eclipse, I'm listening again.  The beginning is fine...nothing special.  The cut to the fast triplet section is jarring and completely out of place.  Then, just when you get used to the fast section, it slows WAY down.  It seems like it should have a final verse or chorus, but nope.  That's it.  It just ends.  Bleh!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2022, 02:20:50 PM
Here you go, pg:
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Actually there’s a guitar solo that is missing from “Gangland”. It was recorded but we were in such a hurry that it was never mixed and nobody noticed. There’s supposed to be two guitar solos, Dave’s which is on there and then I do this shriek and a big drum roll and there’s this backing track where Adrian’s guitar solo should be. We were all so out of it. There was a massive stack of beer cans in the studio, we actually built an entire wall of beer cans. We had a blast recording that album but there was odd moments of forgetfulness.

That has got to be one of the biggest d'oh!'s in heavy metal history.

Is this a quote from Bruce?  He's wrong on a couple of accounts here.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2022, 02:37:51 PM
Being wrong has never stopped Bruce from saying anything.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 30, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Being wrong has never stopped Bruce from saying anything.

 :lol  Fair play.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 30, 2022, 09:48:12 PM
Heh! Yup, that's funny :lol

Unrelated but it reminds me of one of Steve's best quotes: "Bruce would write a country album if he thought it would sell." Ouch.

So, Stadler, tell us what it is you love so much about Total Eclipse?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 03, 2022, 07:48:30 AM
Heh! Yup, that's funny :lol

Unrelated but it reminds me of one of Steve's best quotes: "Bruce would write a country album if he thought it would sell." Ouch.

So, Stadler, tell us what it is you love so much about Total Eclipse?

It's hard to single out bits and pieces, but I really dig the guitars; that riff under the verse is killer.  The opening is excellent, too.  But I think what sets it apart is the vocal; that part that PG says about "slowing down", that's my favorite part of the song.  I think it just shows the range (I don't just mean notes on the scale, either) of Bruce.  It's epic.

I also have to say; I like the vocals on the entire album; there's a slight tone to Bruce on TNOTB (and the b-sides) that was lost starting with Piece Of Mind that he never regained. I don't know how to put it into words, except to say, his vocals are recorded a bit "drier" on subsequent albums; I like that tone on TNOTB. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on October 04, 2022, 11:58:49 AM
Regarding Maiden's current tour, I have to say, I am disappointed. It's the first tour they've done in recent memory that I just outright skipped.

I went to two shows on this same tour a few years back (back to back nights) and it was amazing. So I wasn't spending a ton of cash to go see the same tour with some new songs swapped in. The same tour production, the same everything, except for a couple of new songs. Makes no sense to me. And then I caught the prices...WOW. At least here, they were even more outrageous in comparison to what we spent for this tour twice a few years back.

I know Maiden is a well oiled machine and the shows are always awesome. But there wasn't enough for me to justify spending that kind of money AGAIN. The new record, at least IMO, is not that strong and hasn't aged well. It's very mid-tempo and there isn't a lot that stands out. And that's fine, at this stage of Maiden's career, that isn't surprising. But instead of trotting out the same staging and tour from the last time, they need to do something vastly different to get me to plunk down that kind of change.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 04, 2022, 12:04:38 PM
Regarding Maiden's current tour, I have to say, I am disappointed. It's the first tour they've done in recent memory that I just outright skipped.

I went to two shows on this same tour a few years back (back to back nights) and it was amazing. So I wasn't spending a ton of cash to go see the same tour with some new songs swapped in. The same tour production, the same everything, except for a couple of new songs. Makes no sense to me. And then I caught the prices...WOW. At least here, they were even more outrageous in comparison to what we spent for this tour twice a few years back.

I know Maiden is a well oiled machine and the shows are always awesome. But there wasn't enough for me to justify spending that kind of money AGAIN. The new record, at least IMO, is not that strong and hasn't aged well. It's very mid-tempo and there isn't a lot that stands out. And that's fine, at this stage of Maiden's career, that isn't surprising. But instead of trotting out the same staging and tour from the last time, they need to do something vastly different to get me to plunk down that kind of change.

I got a ticket to see them next week here in Toronto, and feel exactly the same. I say the tour in 2019 with only 03 songs of difference, and I'm considering selling my ticket.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 04, 2022, 12:06:37 PM
Regarding Maiden's current tour, I have to say, I am disappointed. It's the first tour they've done in recent memory that I just outright skipped.

I went to two shows on this same tour a few years back (back to back nights) and it was amazing. So I wasn't spending a ton of cash to go see the same tour with some new songs swapped in. The same tour production, the same everything, except for a couple of new songs. Makes no sense to me. And then I caught the prices...WOW. At least here, they were even more outrageous in comparison to what we spent for this tour twice a few years back.

I know Maiden is a well oiled machine and the shows are always awesome. But there wasn't enough for me to justify spending that kind of money AGAIN. The new record, at least IMO, is not that strong and hasn't aged well. It's very mid-tempo and there isn't a lot that stands out. And that's fine, at this stage of Maiden's career, that isn't surprising. But instead of trotting out the same staging and tour from the last time, they need to do something vastly different to get me to plunk down that kind of change.

I didn't make it to the last shows on the Legacy tour - I think they were all weeknight shows, and even if not, my kids were too young and still waking up in the middle of the night 3-4 years ago.  So I paid $100+ for a balcony ticket for this tour.  I'd have preferred floor, but it was too expensive.  At least I'll be there tomorrow night and will finally see this show.  If I had gone the last time, then I'd probably have skipped this leg of the tour.

Having Within Temptation as the opener here in Chicago was a big reason for me going too - I can see the Legacy tour (though I prefer the original setlist) and finally see WT live as well. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on October 04, 2022, 12:59:35 PM
I went to the Anaheim show a couple weeks ago.  My thoughts:

- I booked a hotel near the venue.  I figured they'd play later and didn't want the hassle of driving home.  It also gave me the opportunity to drink more if I wanted.  I drove to the hotel after work, and a friend picked me up and we drove to the venue.

- I'm not familiar with Trivium, and my friend didn't care, so we completely missed them.  I figured we'd get in to catch the end of their set, but they were done before we walked into the building.  If Within Temptation had opened, I'd have been sure to be there on time.

- I heard The Writing on the Wall when it was released.  BORING.  I never bought the album.  I listened to Senjutsu and Stratego for the first time that day.  Senjutsu was dreadful.  Stratego was a bit better, but it's biggest selling point was that it was under 5:00.

- I thought starting the show with the three Senjutsu songs was a bad idea, and I was right.  I know they wanted to do them back to back because of the set, but starting the show was not the place.

- After that the set list was good but not great.  For context, I did not see the prior show for this tour with the different set list.  I understand they had Eagles on that list, and I'm seriously bummed I didn't get to see that because I've never seen it live.  Sign of the Cross was better than I expected, and I used The Clansmen to run to the restroom.  Otherwise a solid list of songs - albeit painfully predictable.

- I was in the upper bowl of the arena, first row, on the aisle.  I specifically selected that seat because I thought I'd have an unencumbered view of the stage.  Unfortunately, I forgot that, at the bottom of the stairs leading down to the first row of the section, they have these sheets of plexiglass about 18x32 inches that stick up over the railing.  I assume these are there so that, if someone trips coming down the stairs, it will be less likely for him/her to fall over the edge.  Unfortunately, the damn thing was right in my line of sight, so I either had to look through it (and it was covered in fingerprints) or lean to the left or sit up REALLY straight to look over it.  That sucked.

- I was a little astounded that there was a prominent mosh pit that was there the entire set (at one point, there was a big one and a smaller one nearby, and for one song, there was an "island" of people in the middle of the pit).  When did that become a thing at Maiden shows?  Glad I wasn't on the floor!

- The sound....my first concert at the Pond was shortly after it opened, in February 1994.  We saw Rush, and the sound was not good.  The Pond has a lot of marble (or fake marble) surfaces, and the sound seemed to bounce all over the place.  I saw Rush there again in 2012, and the sound was much better.  Of course, I was on the floor, so that probably made a difference.  I saw Panic at the Disco there in early 2019 (lower bowl), and the sound was really good.  However, for Maiden the sound was, once again, not good.  I could hear Bruce pretty well, and he sounded pretty good.  The drums were clear as a bell.  I didn't hear a single note from the bass until they got to Revelations, and the bass was inaudible for much of the set.  REALLY odd for a band like Maiden.  The guitars were there, but they were mostly droning.  They were relatively clear during solos but buried in the mix.  My ultimate conclusion was that I won't be attending another show at the Pond unless I get much better seats (and maybe not even then).

- All in all a pretty good show, but probably at the bottom of my list of Maiden shows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on October 04, 2022, 01:39:04 PM
Grapp - ENJOY!! I know your situation, so I am glad you are getting to see this gig. I know you don't get out to many shows. It's Maiden, and I am sure you will have a blast.

re: Within Temptation - had my local gig gotten them as the opener (they were not on the West Coast leg), I would have gone and taken my daughter again (she saw one of the two IM shows the last tour). She's a huge fan of WT, and while she saw them a few years ago now headlining The Warfield, now that she's older and those memories are a little fuzzy, she'd love to see them again. hell, I'd like to. I saw WT opening for Lacuna Coil in...I want to say 2006 or 2007 at the now closed Slim's nightclub in San Fran. So awesome on that tiny of a stage. And then we saw them headline The Warfield, which is a huge jump. Great band. Trivium...not so much, at least not for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on October 04, 2022, 01:45:58 PM
- I was in the upper bowl of the arena, first row, on the aisle.  I specifically selected that seat because I thought I'd have an unencumbered view of the stage.  Unfortunately, I forgot that, at the bottom of the stairs leading down to the first row of the section, they have these sheets of plexiglass about 18x32 inches that stick up over the railing.  I assume these are there so that, if someone trips coming down the stairs, it will be less likely for him/her to fall over the edge.  Unfortunately, the damn thing was right in my line of sight, so I either had to look through it (and it was covered in fingerprints) or lean to the left or sit up REALLY straight to look over it.  That sucked.


Spare me the jokes(!) but I had exactly the same thing happen to me when I saw the Browns four or five years ago. Very bloody annoying at the best of times, never mind when you're making a special trip from the UK, believe me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2022, 02:22:07 PM
I am not going to this leg either. First of all, it's a Monday night in Worcester, which is far enough on a weekend. It has nothing to do with going to work the next day but more to do so with my family.
Anyway, tickets went really fast and the prices were outrageous. I believe that this was an instance where Ticketmaster was raising prices on the fly, something that they seem to be doing lately. I simply couldn't justify spending $400 for two tickets under any circumstances, no matter the night or location.

Add to that that this isn't even a new tour production. I saw the Legacy tour a couple of years ago and it was absolutely amazing. Starting the show with three Senjutsu tracks, and while I do like Stratego, the title track is an absolute plodder.

It sucks because I would love to see them in an arena again, especially a smaller one like the Centrum.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on October 04, 2022, 03:51:33 PM
The whole TM thing is out of hand. I know I am preaching to the choir here, so I won't drone on about it  :lol, but holy hell man. Enough already with the gouging. I know it's the promoters, covid recoup, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the costs for concerts now is just ridiculous.

Even though this isn't TM, I just bought tickets for my wife and daughter to go see the Muse/Evanescence tour. Lower bowl of the arena...it was like 544 bucks with all the charges and fees for two tickets (and those were CHEAP compared to the first several rows of the lower bowl). It's a birthday gift, and my kid (who is at the age where the music is the music she'll have for the rest of her life) is a big fan of both fans, so I went for it. But even the wife (who is taking her - this is not local and I don't need to see either band again) took pause at the cost. And I said to her - you're making a trip to see this show...go all that way to sit in the nosebleeds for maybe 150 bucks LESS? That's pointless. She agreed.

But this is how these promoters/TM, etc., get you. If the kid's birthday wasn't a good reason, I would have nixed this. But as it is, it's a surprise, and she has no idea they are touring together, so we took the plunge. But just crazy. Even smaller bands are getting out of hand.

/middle aged grumpy guy rant
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2022, 03:55:33 PM
That is very nice of you guys, and it's ok to splurge on the kids!

I am posting as many ticket stubs in my Concert Thread as I can and though no one has really mentioned it, the ticket prices are listed right on the stub.
Tonight's update will have an eye-popping cost!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on October 04, 2022, 04:06:00 PM
That is very nice of you guys, and it's ok to splurge on the kids!


When I was around her age, all I wanted was to go see Queensryche at Nassau Coliseum on the Empire tour. My parents couldn't afford it, and if they could, they wouldn't let me go because they thought it was dangerous, etc. (they weren't concert-goers). I was crushed for literally YEARS.* I was bound and determined to make sure that the kid didn't have to go through that. And my wife and I have lived up to what we said we'd do - take her to her favorite bands. Thankfully, they align with our tastes (parenting done RIGHT), so it has been fun for us too.

*To my mom's credit, she realized she made a mistake. She went out that Christmas, bought all the import Queensryche cd singles she could find on CD, which I still have today. And then in 1995, when QR returned to Long Island after four years, she bought me and my best friend two great tickets to see QR at Jones Beach on the Promised Land tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2022, 04:25:04 PM
That is very nice of you guys, and it's ok to splurge on the kids!


When I was around her age, all I wanted was to go see Queensryche at Nassau Coliseum on the Empire tour. My parents couldn't afford it, and if they could, they wouldn't let me go because they thought it was dangerous, etc. (they weren't concert-goers). I was crushed for literally YEARS.* I was bound and determined to make sure that the kid didn't have to go through that. And my wife and I have lived up to what we said we'd do - take her to her favorite bands. Thankfully, they align with our tastes (parenting done RIGHT), so it has been fun for us too.

That's wonderful.

Apparently I parented all wrong because my 19 y/o loves hip hop.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 04, 2022, 04:56:18 PM
That is very nice of you guys, and it's ok to splurge on the kids!


When I was around her age, all I wanted was to go see Queensryche at Nassau Coliseum on the Empire tour. My parents couldn't afford it, and if they could, they wouldn't let me go because they thought it was dangerous, etc. (they weren't concert-goers). I was crushed for literally YEARS.* I was bound and determined to make sure that the kid didn't have to go through that. And my wife and I have lived up to what we said we'd do - take her to her favorite bands. Thankfully, they align with our tastes (parenting done RIGHT), so it has been fun for us too.

That's wonderful.

Apparently I parented all wrong because my 19 y/o loves hip hop.  :lol

Maybe your child just didn't want to go on the same musical path you did.  But yeah, regarding Iron Maiden, I honestly didn't really want to pay the same price (as the 2019 show) for a setlist that had four songs changes (and three of them, I don't really care much for).  I kinda wish I went to the Wednesday show at the Honda Center where tickets were slightly cheaper than the Thursday show, but I wasn't in the mood.

I'm surprised I was able to get a cheap nosebleed seat for the Rammstein show I went to.  That was in a football stadium and it was only $30.00.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2022, 09:08:10 AM
That is very nice of you guys, and it's ok to splurge on the kids!


When I was around her age, all I wanted was to go see Queensryche at Nassau Coliseum on the Empire tour. My parents couldn't afford it, and if they could, they wouldn't let me go because they thought it was dangerous, etc. (they weren't concert-goers). I was crushed for literally YEARS.* I was bound and determined to make sure that the kid didn't have to go through that. And my wife and I have lived up to what we said we'd do - take her to her favorite bands. Thankfully, they align with our tastes (parenting done RIGHT), so it has been fun for us too.

That's wonderful.

Apparently I parented all wrong because my 19 y/o loves hip hop.  :lol

I know you guys are kidding, I think, but I'm just happy my kid loves MUSIC, whoever it is.  I get great pleasure from the music I like, and I truly don't give a rat's ass whether my kid likes Iron Maiden or Kiss, just that she get SOME pleasure out of what she does listen to.  "Taylor Swift" and "Harry Styles" are, to her, what "Kiss" and "Iron Maiden" were to me growing up.  And I'm good with that. 

I've gone to shows with her, that are not in my comfort zone.  Some have be great - Harry Styles killed it in Madison Square Garden; it's the second best show I've ever seen there, behind the Kiss reunion - some haven't - The Jonas Brothers was fun but musically it was nothing to write home about - but it's still a great experience.  And I got her to go to see Kiss in 2014 and she loved the spectacle!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 05, 2022, 09:24:27 AM
I went to the Anaheim show a couple weeks ago.  My thoughts:

- I booked a hotel near the venue.  I figured they'd play later and didn't want the hassle of driving home.  It also gave me the opportunity to drink more if I wanted.  I drove to the hotel after work, and a friend picked me up and we drove to the venue.

- I'm not familiar with Trivium, and my friend didn't care, so we completely missed them.  I figured we'd get in to catch the end of their set, but they were done before we walked into the building.  If Within Temptation had opened, I'd have been sure to be there on time.

- I heard The Writing on the Wall when it was released.  BORING.  I never bought the album.  I listened to Senjutsu and Stratego for the first time that day.  Senjutsu was dreadful.  Stratego was a bit better, but it's biggest selling point was that it was under 5:00.

- I thought starting the show with the three Senjutsu songs was a bad idea, and I was right.  I know they wanted to do them back to back because of the set, but starting the show was not the place.

- After that the set list was good but not great.  For context, I did not see the prior show for this tour with the different set list.  I understand they had Eagles on that list, and I'm seriously bummed I didn't get to see that because I've never seen it live.  Sign of the Cross was better than I expected, and I used The Clansmen to run to the restroom.  Otherwise a solid list of songs - albeit painfully predictable.

- I was in the upper bowl of the arena, first row, on the aisle.  I specifically selected that seat because I thought I'd have an unencumbered view of the stage.  Unfortunately, I forgot that, at the bottom of the stairs leading down to the first row of the section, they have these sheets of plexiglass about 18x32 inches that stick up over the railing.  I assume these are there so that, if someone trips coming down the stairs, it will be less likely for him/her to fall over the edge.  Unfortunately, the damn thing was right in my line of sight, so I either had to look through it (and it was covered in fingerprints) or lean to the left or sit up REALLY straight to look over it.  That sucked.

- I was a little astounded that there was a prominent mosh pit that was there the entire set (at one point, there was a big one and a smaller one nearby, and for one song, there was an "island" of people in the middle of the pit).  When did that become a thing at Maiden shows?  Glad I wasn't on the floor!

- The sound....my first concert at the Pond was shortly after it opened, in February 1994.  We saw Rush, and the sound was not good.  The Pond has a lot of marble (or fake marble) surfaces, and the sound seemed to bounce all over the place.  I saw Rush there again in 2012, and the sound was much better.  Of course, I was on the floor, so that probably made a difference.  I saw Panic at the Disco there in early 2019 (lower bowl), and the sound was really good.  However, for Maiden the sound was, once again, not good.  I could hear Bruce pretty well, and he sounded pretty good.  The drums were clear as a bell.  I didn't hear a single note from the bass until they got to Revelations, and the bass was inaudible for much of the set.  REALLY odd for a band like Maiden.  The guitars were there, but they were mostly droning.  They were relatively clear during solos but buried in the mix.  My ultimate conclusion was that I won't be attending another show at the Pond unless I get much better seats (and maybe not even then).

- All in all a pretty good show, but probably at the bottom of my list of Maiden shows.

Some comments about your comments:

I saw Trivium last summer, they were pretty solid.  Can't say if you would have liked them or not, but they are a fairly big band in the US.

That SUCKs about the plexiglass.  I've had this issue before and it wuold have annoyed the hell out of me too especially since you specifically got that seat for the view (I'm very big on getting front row aisle seats myself).

I also am not a huge fan of the song Senjutsu so I think opening with that is a bad choice.  I am going to wait until I see it myself in a few weeks, but my thoughts are that I'd rather them open with something else and not even play Senjutsu.  I think the other two tracks are fine choices to play, they were the singles although none of those three songs are the best on the album.

I have only seen mosh pits a couple times at IM shows and usually they are somewhat small and don't last very long, but I would say that a mosh pit the entire show is awesome!  To me, it shows that young people are in attendance and that's great for an aging band to have a young crowd at their shows.  I would be very happy if there was a mosh pit (which I am too old to be in) at the NJ show.

I feel like IM's live mix/sound is very hit or miss.  I feel like a lot of the shows they aren't mixed well enough.  If you can't hear Steve, that's a problem IMO. 

Glad it seems you still had fun though, I can't wait to see them soon. (and I'm much happier to have Within Temptation over Trivium, although I would still have checked out Trivium).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on October 05, 2022, 12:25:29 PM
I have only seen mosh pits a couple times at IM shows and usually they are somewhat small and don't last very long, but I would say that a mosh pit the entire show is awesome!  To me, it shows that young people are in attendance and that's great for an aging band to have a young crowd at their shows.  I would be very happy if there was a mosh pit (which I am too old to be in) at the NJ show.

I feel like IM's live mix/sound is very hit or miss.  I feel like a lot of the shows they aren't mixed well enough.  If you can't hear Steve, that's a problem IMO. 

Glad it seems you still had fun though, I can't wait to see them soon. (and I'm much happier to have Within Temptation over Trivium, although I would still have checked out Trivium).

I didn't intentionally miss Trivium.  It was more a function of the show being on a work night and my friend who didn't really care.  I would've liked to have seen at least a song or two.

Couldn't agree more about the sound mix.  Not hearing Steve Harris at a Maiden show is almost on the same level as not hearing Geddy Lee at a Rush show.

I guess I agree about the mosh pits, and it was definitely the whole show (or at least once Revelations started), but I've never really understood them, and the few times I've been near them, I've been super annoyed.  Since I had a bird's eye view it was more of an amusement.

But yeah...overall a good time.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 06, 2022, 05:03:50 AM
IRON MAIDEN ANNOUNCE FIRST SHOWS OF 2023'S THE FUTURE PAST TOUR

Iron Maiden will be bringing a new tour to Europe in the Summer of 2023 including arena shows in the UK & Ireland. The Future Past Tour will feature previously unperformed songs from the band’s most recent studio album, Senjutsu along with a focus on 1986’s iconic Somewhere In Time record, plus other classic cuts.

(https://www.ironmaiden.com/media/images/tfp_imcom_poster.jpg)

The first shows to be announced are as follows:

June 2023
13  Tauron Arena, Krakow, POLAND - (On sale Fri Oct 14)
19  Hallenstadion, Zurich, SWITZERLAND - (On sale Thu Oct 13)
24  3Arena, Dublin, IRELAND - (On sale Fri Oct 14)
26  Ovo Hydro, Glasgow, SCOTLAND - (On sale Fri Oct 14)
28  First Direct Arena, Leeds, ENGLAND - (On sale Fri Oct 14)
30  AO Arena, Manchester, ENGLAND - (On sale Fri Oct 14)

July 2023
03  Motorpoint Arena, Nottingham, ENGLAND - (On sale Fri Oct 14)
04  Utilita Arena, Birmingham, ENGLAND - (On sale Fri Oct 14)
07  O2 Arena, London, ENGLAND - (On sale Fri Oct 14)
11  Ziggo Dome, Amsterdam, THE NETHERLANDS - (On sale Thu Oct 13)
13  Sportpaleis, Antwerp, BELGIUM - (On sale Thu Oct 13)
15  The Return of the Gods Festival, Milan, ITALY - (On sale Tomorrow! Fri Oct 7)

Further European dates for The Future Past Tour will be announced later. Keep up to date here.

Fan Club Presales begin Tuesday 11th October. Details to be added shortly.
Support for The Future Past Tour will be announced at a later date. Trooper VIP will be available at selected UK and European dates.


Steve Harris says,
“Following the release of our latest album, Senjutsu, we updated the current Legacy of the Beast Tour a little by opening the show with the first 3 songs from it, with the Japanese Palace stage set. As it doesn’t make a lot of sense to repeat this for a Senjutsu album tour, we thought about other options and we’ve decided to revisit Somewhere In Time as that tour didn’t feature in the various retrospective history tours we’ve played over the years. They were based on our 80’s concert videos and sadly we did not film that tour (blame the manager!!).  We have had lots of requests from fans over the years for many tracks on it so we are now going to play them, plus of course a few others we know you will like! It will also be particularly satisfying to finally get to play some of the more epic tracks on Senjutsu, it's been a long wait! 2023 is going to be an exciting time and we’re really looking forward to seeing everyone again in the UK, Ireland and around Europe”.


Manager, Rod Smallwood adds,
“This combination of the two albums we feel is very exciting. We know fans want to hear those epic cuts on Senjutsu for the first time live and we think that by combining it with an iconic album like Somewhere In Time it will make for another really special tour for fans old and new! Of course, for a new album tour in Europe and the UK we will go back largely to the relative intimacy of arenas and we know fans will be very happy about that too!”
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2022, 05:07:29 AM
Woah!  Could ATG finally get its live debut??

Runner, Madness?  Holy shit!  Let's hope it's not just the four predictable songs.
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Post by: Zydar on October 06, 2022, 05:10:57 AM
Hell yeah, it's about time SIT got some lovin' :tup

I'd love to get an official live version of Sea Of Madness somehow.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 05:18:52 AM
This BETTER come to Australia. They still haven’t rebooked dates for Asia or Australia!s legs from Legacy of the Beast, so we pretty much deserve this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 06, 2022, 05:19:40 AM
This is a first for them. So unusual that I was completely skeptical of all the hints the band was dropping (mainly Bruce making a point of stating "see you SOMEWHERE ON TOUR next year").

I mean, they never played a classic album in its entirety, or concentrated a set about a 30th / 40th/ whateverth anniversary, they couldn't even bother to live up in 2007 to the promise of "5 songs from AMOLAD and 5 songs from Number of the Beast" (they only played four), and now, after new album tours alternated with historical tours based on a specific previous tour, they just "play some songs off Somewhere in Time" just because?

I'm also curious about the wording of the press release:

The Future Past Tour will feature previously unperformed songs from the band’s most recent studio album, Senjutsu

And

Following the release of our latest album, Senjutsu, we updated the current Legacy of the Beast Tour a little by opening the show with the first 3 songs from it, with the Japanese Palace stage set. As it doesn’t make a lot of sense to repeat this for a Senjutsu album tour, we thought about other options and we’ve decided to revisit Somewhere In Time

Do they mean that they will play MORE SONGS from Senjutsu, along with the first three, or they'll just skip those three songs to concentrate on the remaining six that are unplayed? the wording is unclear and it feels weird to think of Stratego and The Writing on the Wall already dropped.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 06, 2022, 05:21:46 AM

Runner, Madness?  Holy shit!  Let's hope it's not just the four predictable songs.
As much as Stranger in a strange land and even the title track might be predictable, I think it would still be quite an event if it were only those two that made the comeback. But yeah, I also have a feeling that Alexander will finally get its debut.

I am already excited for this.  :metal
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Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2022, 05:24:57 AM

Runner, Madness?  Holy shit!  Let's hope it's not just the four predictable songs.
As much as Stranger in a strange land and even the title track might be predictable, I think it would still be quite an event if it were only those two that made the comeback. But yeah, I also have a feeling that Alexander will finally get its debut.

I am already excited for this.  :metal

I love those two songs so I'm fine with them too.  I really really hope HCW doesn't get played though.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 06, 2022, 05:27:43 AM
I assume they will play:

- Alex the Great 'cause they finally decided to cave in and play the damn song
- Wasted Years and Heaven Can Wait 'cause they're the safest choices
- Stranger in a Strange Land because it's in the trailer.

That's half the album already. I can't imagine Bruce killing his voice trying to wail Caught Somewhere in Time's chorus.
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Post by: TAC on October 06, 2022, 05:56:46 AM
WOW!!!!
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Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2022, 05:58:49 AM
This BETTER come to Australia. They still haven’t rebooked dates for Asia or Australia!s legs from Legacy of the Beast, so we pretty much deserve this.

Yeah, I really hope so too mate.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 06, 2022, 06:33:31 AM
I'll predict Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner MIGHT get an airing, but Alexander the Great WON'T.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 06, 2022, 06:34:47 AM
That's a cool idea for a tour - Somewhere in Time was under-represented in the 2008 tour, with just Wasted Years and Heaven Can Wait being played.


I saw Maiden last night in Chicago and the show was amazing.  I echo the statements in this thread that opening with Senjutsu is a total bore, and the mix not being very clear, but aside from that, the band was completely on fire, the stage show was amazing and Bruce sounded incredible.  Seeing them in a huge arena was different for me, since I was high up in the balcony and it was more of an experience, rather than being close and going bonkers all night.  But it was nice to just take the whole show in and listen, rather than spend the night singing along and losing my voice too. 
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 06, 2022, 06:47:19 AM
That's a cool idea for a tour - Somewhere in Time was under-represented in the 2008 tour, with just Wasted Years and Heaven Can Wait being played.


I saw Maiden last night in Chicago and the show was amazing.  I echo the statements in this thread that opening with Senjutsu is a total bore, and the mix not being very clear, but aside from that, the band was completely on fire, the stage show was amazing and Bruce sounded incredible.  Seeing them in a huge arena was different for me, since I was high up in the balcony and it was more of an experience, rather than being close and going bonkers all night.  But it was nice to just take the whole show in and listen, rather than spend the night singing along and losing my voice too.
I was there too, it was an excellent show! Was my only my 2nd IM show but it kicked ass!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 06, 2022, 06:53:33 AM
I'll predict Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner MIGHT get an airing, but Alexander the Great WON'T.
Considering that Nicko himself wants to play AtG, I beg to differ. Nevermind that's the song fans have really been gunning for Maiden to play. If they don't play it on this tour, they're gonna hear a lot of complaints. Almost positive it's gonna get played.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 06:55:33 AM
I reckon Caught Somewhere in Time needs to be the opener. Because of that, I reckon Aces High needs to be bumped out.
I’d kinda like to see Wasted Years close again, or something else unexpected like that was then.

If they only play two of the trio of closing epics from Senjutsu, I want it to be Celts and Hell. Parchment is kinda boring imo.

I am really hoping Sea of Madness makes an appearance. I’m fairly confident Stranger in a Strange Land will make it, given that’s the song in the tour promo ad.

Trooper might be out? It was out of the OG SiT tour and I’m kinda feeling it or Fear if the Dark can bounce.

This is the tour where Maiden will finally play Alexander the Great. It’ll be awesome.
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Post by: Nick on October 06, 2022, 07:20:29 AM
Can't wait to hear Wasted Years, Heaven Can Wait, AND the title track.

Seriously though, that's all I'm expecting as they've always disappointed with how they represent that album.

If they do Sea of Madness and/or Stranger in a Strange Land I will be shocked and happy. If they do Alexander that would be groundbreaking and amazing. If I recall my Maiden history correctly they've never brought out a song live they didn't play in the album's original touring cycle.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 07:34:35 AM
If I recall my Maiden history correctly they've never brought out a song live they didn't play in the album's original touring cycle.

This is indeed true. And it’s a crap statistic that I’m hoping they break on this tour.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 06, 2022, 07:34:51 AM
Can't wait to hear Wasted Years, Heaven Can Wait, AND the title track.

Seriously though, that's all I'm expecting as they've always disappointed with how they represent that album.

If they do Sea of Madness and/or Stranger in a Strange Land I will be shocked and happy. If they do Alexander that would be groundbreaking and amazing. If I recall my Maiden history correctly they've never brought out a song live they didn't play in the album's original touring cycle.
Isn’t that some type of strict rule of theirs?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on October 06, 2022, 07:38:06 AM
Can't wait to hear Wasted Years, Heaven Can Wait, AND the title track.

Seriously though, that's all I'm expecting as they've always disappointed with how they represent that album.

If they do Sea of Madness and/or Stranger in a Strange Land I will be shocked and happy. If they do Alexander that would be groundbreaking and amazing. If I recall my Maiden history correctly they've never brought out a song live they didn't play in the album's original touring cycle.
Isn’t that some type of strict rule of theirs?

It has always been. And the announcement does not say specifically that they are going to play things from SiT that have never played…but it seems to imply that that might be the case.

I hope they follow through on that implication, but a lot of people are reading into it at this point.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 06, 2022, 07:46:17 AM
The video says Samurai 5 - Cyborg 5

So 5 songs from each album - Senjutsu, Stratego, WOTW, Days of Future Past (because it's part of the name of the tour) and Hell on Earth maybe? From SIT: Wasted Years, Heaven Can Wait, Stranger in a Strange Land and...Sea of Madness or Caught Somewhere in time.

 And FOTD, Hallowed be thy Name, TNOTB, The Trooper and Iron Maiden. 15 songs in total.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2022, 08:14:06 AM
If I recall my Maiden history correctly they've never brought out a song live they didn't play in the album's original touring cycle.

This is indeed true. And it’s a crap statistic that I’m hoping they break on this tour.

Yeah, with this news, I actually think this is finally possible.  This is awesome news, but I hope this isn't a limited run tour.
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Post by: Mladen on October 06, 2022, 08:19:19 AM
Alright, how about a hypothetical set list? This is a combination of realistic expectactions and a dream:

1. Caught somewhere in time
2. Can I play with madness?
3. The Writing on the wall
4. Days of future passed
5. The Trooper
6. Stranger in a strange land
7. Heaven can wait
8. The Parchment
9. Hell on earth
10. Alexander the Great
11. Fear of the dark
12. Iron Maiden
---
13. The Number of the beast
14. Run to the hills
15. Wasted years
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Post by: Samsara on October 06, 2022, 08:23:01 AM
I'm totally in for this tour! I'm hoping they don't play the three songs from the latest record they played on this tour. Hell on Earth is a must for the name alone!  :lol :metal
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 06, 2022, 08:27:40 AM
I think it might be something like this:


Senjutsu
Stratego
Stranger in a Strange Land
The Trooper
The Writing on the Wall
Darkest Hour
2 Minutes to Midnight
Hell on Earth
Heaven Can Wait
Alexander the Great
Fear of the Dark
Iron Maiden
===========
The Number of the Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Wasted Years
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Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 08:29:22 AM
Alright, you’re on.

00. Blade Runner Theme (it was the intro on the original SiT tour)
1. Caught Somewhere in Time
2. Days of Future Past (let’s get the title track of the way early)
3. 2 Minutes to Midnight
4. Children of the Damned
5. Stranger in a Strange Land
6. Sea of Madness
7. Death of the Celts
8. The Trooper
9. Hell on Earth
10. Alexander the Great
11. Heaven Can Wait
12. Fear of the Dark
13. Iron Maiden

14. The Number of the Beast
15. Hallowed Be Thy Name
16. Wasted Years

I feel like the way that Steve has talked about it, they’re not gonna do the songs they’ve already done.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 08:34:32 AM
Setlist aside though, what do you think the stage will look like? Which Eddie will be walking out and which will be inflated?
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Post by: El Barto on October 06, 2022, 08:35:03 AM
Yeah, I guess I'm the only one, but this doesn't do much for me. I found Senjutsu boring, and they'll only play the same songs they always have from SiT. At the same time, I wouldn't bet on it coming to the US anyway. It honestly seems a bit too esoteric for their US "fans."
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Post by: 425 on October 06, 2022, 08:35:12 AM
Interesting! I was skeptical of the rumors of SiT, just because I didn't think they'd omit a Senjutsu tour, but doing both makes sense.

I, too, read 'Arry's statement to mean that they're not going to repeat the first three songs. So I think from Senjutsu we definitely see Hell on Earth, very likely Days of Future Past, and hopefully two of the other three 'Arry epics including The Parchment.

From SiT, Wasted Years and Heaven Can Wait are practically a given. Strange in a Strange Land is very likely. Before Steve's statement, I would have said they'll never play Alexander the Great, but now I'd say it's 50-50. I'd also call CSiT 50-50.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 06, 2022, 08:36:26 AM
Setlist aside though, what do you think the stage will look like? Which Eddie will be walking out and which will be inflated?

 How about Eddie cyborg and Eddie samurai having a fight on stage?
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Post by: The Curious Orange on October 06, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
I feel like the way that Steve has talked about it, they’re not gonna do the songs they’ve already done.

I think they will, as not every country has seen them, and they are the cornerstone of the new album. My guess:

Senjutsu
Stratego
The Writing On The Wall
Wrathchild
Days of Future Past
The Trooper
Death of the Celts
Hell On Earth
Caught Somewhere in Time
Stranger in a Strange Land
Heaven Can Wait
Iron Maiden
----
Wasted Years
Fear of the Dark
Number of the Beast

That way, everyone leaves disappointed
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Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2022, 08:48:37 AM
This is a first for them. So unusual that I was completely skeptical of all the hints the band was dropping (mainly Bruce making a point of stating "see you SOMEWHERE ON TOUR next year").

I mean, they never played a classic album in its entirety, or concentrated a set about a 30th / 40th/ whateverth anniversary, they couldn't even bother to live up in 2007 to the promise of "5 songs from AMOLAD and 5 songs from Number of the Beast" (they only played four), and now, after new album tours alternated with historical tours based on a specific previous tour, they just "play some songs off Somewhere in Time" just because?

I'm also curious about the wording of the press release:

The Future Past Tour will feature previously unperformed songs from the band’s most recent studio album, Senjutsu

And

Following the release of our latest album, Senjutsu, we updated the current Legacy of the Beast Tour a little by opening the show with the first 3 songs from it, with the Japanese Palace stage set. As it doesn’t make a lot of sense to repeat this for a Senjutsu album tour, we thought about other options and we’ve decided to revisit Somewhere In Time

Do they mean that they will play MORE SONGS from Senjutsu, along with the first three, or they'll just skip those three songs to concentrate on the remaining six that are unplayed? the wording is unclear and it feels weird to think of Stratego and The Writing on the Wall already dropped.

So.... does that mean that the tour on which they play the entire Senjutsu album is off?  I may be the only one, but I was looking forward to that.  I LOVE the new album - still - and I'm looking forward to seeing the three songs from the new record on the current tour (though I'll go to the just-announced tour if it comes to America). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 08:50:33 AM
I feel like the way that Steve has talked about it, they’re not gonna do the songs they’ve already done.
I think they will, as not every country has seen them, and they are the cornerstone of the new album.

I doubt the countries they missed on Legacy are gonna get this anyway. Meaning me and wolfking. Ever.
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Post by: 425 on October 06, 2022, 08:51:01 AM
This is a first for them. So unusual that I was completely skeptical of all the hints the band was dropping (mainly Bruce making a point of stating "see you SOMEWHERE ON TOUR next year").

I mean, they never played a classic album in its entirety, or concentrated a set about a 30th / 40th/ whateverth anniversary, they couldn't even bother to live up in 2007 to the promise of "5 songs from AMOLAD and 5 songs from Number of the Beast" (they only played four), and now, after new album tours alternated with historical tours based on a specific previous tour, they just "play some songs off Somewhere in Time" just because?

I'm also curious about the wording of the press release:

The Future Past Tour will feature previously unperformed songs from the band’s most recent studio album, Senjutsu

And

Following the release of our latest album, Senjutsu, we updated the current Legacy of the Beast Tour a little by opening the show with the first 3 songs from it, with the Japanese Palace stage set. As it doesn’t make a lot of sense to repeat this for a Senjutsu album tour, we thought about other options and we’ve decided to revisit Somewhere In Time

Do they mean that they will play MORE SONGS from Senjutsu, along with the first three, or they'll just skip those three songs to concentrate on the remaining six that are unplayed? the wording is unclear and it feels weird to think of Stratego and The Writing on the Wall already dropped.

So.... does that mean that the tour on which they play the entire Senjutsu album is off?  I may be the only one, but I was looking forward to that.  I LOVE the new album - still - and I'm looking forward to seeing the three songs from the new record on the current tour (though I'll go to the just-announced tour if it comes to America). 

I don't think the full-album tour was ever a confirmed thing. As I recall, it was something Bruce talked about wanting to do and something he thought maybe they would do on a smaller tour.

I, too, want to see that, and would even consider traveling significant distances at significant expense to see it if it actually happens, especially if they don't play The Parchment on the regular tour.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 08:53:36 AM
Actually, why the hell am I excited about this? This has potential for massive floppage and I already know I’m going to just be upset when they don’t bring it to me, so why should I care?

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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2022, 09:05:19 AM
Actually, why the hell am I excited about this? This has potential for massive floppage and I already know I’m going to just be upset when they don’t bring it to me, so why should I care?

Well so far they aren't coming to the US, but I'm very excited because that means even if I can't see the show, the live videos of these songs will surface and that's better than more live videos of the same songs.  I also just think it's cool that the band is starting to embrace Somewhere in Time because I thought for sure they weren't coming back to it after it mostly being ignored from the past history tours.  Unless you dislike these two albums, I think it's really cool news regardless if the show comes to your town or not. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 06, 2022, 09:10:23 AM
Also, it's a first for them, regardless of what one thinks of those two albums, it's the first time they basically "tour for two different albums".

I still think it's done just because, with no reason and even no anniversary, just "hey, I guess we can pay more attention to Somewhere in Time", but hey, it's still something new and daring so late into their carrer.
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Post by: Samsara on October 06, 2022, 09:12:47 AM

 How about Eddie cyborg and Eddie samurai having a fight on stage?

I'm good with that.  :metal

My hope overall is for Caught Somewhere in Time and Alexander the Great to be played, along with the standards Heaven Can Wait and Wasted Years. This could be a very cool tour if it makes it to the U.S.

I think this is being done because of two reasons:

1. Senjutsu didn't really move the needle like past releases (their mgmt pays attention to ALL the commentary).
2. People have been asking for Somewhere in Time to get more love, particularly Alexander the Great.

Combine those, they are thinking massive visuals and they get to play stuff that they haven't done that much, which should be a no-brainer for fans, and satisfying for them.
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Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 09:13:44 AM
They’ll hit the US in 2024. That’s a given. For Australia and Asia that have been oil a drought for Maiden since Book of Souls in 2016? This I should’ve been ours first. But of course, the priority is Europe in 2023, US in 2024 and we might wave to Australia with a connecting flight somewhere in 2026.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2022, 09:14:04 AM
My worry is the US crowd wasn't so accepting to when they did AMOLAD full that they may not come here for another more "rare" type of setlist show.  I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on October 06, 2022, 09:16:09 AM
They will not stage a massive arena production and NOT take it to the US - that's the primary market, it makes no sense to not tour there. When was the last time these guys toured and missed out America?
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Post by: Deadeye21 on October 06, 2022, 09:18:02 AM
And what exactly do you call that first leg of Legacy featuring Where Eagles Dare, Icarus, two Blaze songs and For the Greater Good of God? As I recall, for a classic rarities tour, it was eaten up!

The difference is classic versus new. I don’t think anyone wanted AMOLAD in full apart from the hardcore fans in 2006. Nowadays I’d kill just to hear one song off of it and they dropped that for the 2022 Legacy, so I doubt that’ll ever happen again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2022, 09:37:49 AM
And what exactly do you call that first leg of Legacy featuring Where Eagles Dare, Icarus, two Blaze songs and For the Greater Good of God? As I recall, for a classic rarities tour, it was eaten up!

Other than For the Greater Good, all of those songs are much more loved, generally, than the deep cuts on Somewhere in Time and I'd also say the new songs on Senjutsu.  I know this forum likes those songs a lot (as do I), but I don't get the sense the general US audience loves them as much.  I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2022, 09:39:56 AM

 How about Eddie cyborg and Eddie samurai having a fight on stage?

I'm good with that.  :metal

My hope overall is for Caught Somewhere in Time and Alexander the Great to be played, along with the standards Heaven Can Wait and Wasted Years. This could be a very cool tour if it makes it to the U.S.

I think this is being done because of two reasons:

1. Senjutsu didn't really move the needle like past releases (their mgmt pays attention to ALL the commentary).
2. People have been asking for Somewhere in Time to get more love, particularly Alexander the Great.

Combine those, they are thinking massive visuals and they get to play stuff that they haven't done that much, which should be a no-brainer for fans, and satisfying for them.

I think that last part is important.  Maiden has, over the past couple of tours, really ramped up the stage-craft and that's such a big part of their presentation over that time.  I think you're right; SiT is probably the best combination of "uncharted territory" and "potential for big presentation".   I'm in. I think this might have been an internal compromise between Bruce and Steve/Rod; remember that this was a follow-up to the World Slavery tour, and Bruce was exhausted and contributed little to the writing and recording of SiT.  This isn't "his" album, like Senjutsu is.  Bruce was the one that said he wanted to do the album-only tour.  I think this is a way of doing the fill on stage presentation, putting on a spectacle, but not relying SOLELY on the music from Senjutsu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2022, 09:41:44 AM
And what exactly do you call that first leg of Legacy featuring Where Eagles Dare, Icarus, two Blaze songs and For the Greater Good of God? As I recall, for a classic rarities tour, it was eaten up!

Other than For the Greater Good, all of those songs are much more loved, generally, than the deep cuts on Somewhere in Time and I'd also say the new songs on Senjutsu.  I know this forum likes those songs a lot (as do I), but I don't get the sense the general US audience loves them as much.  I hope I'm wrong.

Marc, you met my friend Jim at, what, two Maiden shows so far; he's not interested almost at all in the new songs.  He might go with me to the Worcester, MA show, but he's certainly NOT going for the three Senjutsu songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
And what exactly do you call that first leg of Legacy featuring Where Eagles Dare, Icarus, two Blaze songs and For the Greater Good of God? As I recall, for a classic rarities tour, it was eaten up!

Other than For the Greater Good, all of those songs are much more loved, generally, than the deep cuts on Somewhere in Time and I'd also say the new songs on Senjutsu.  I know this forum likes those songs a lot (as do I), but I don't get the sense the general US audience loves them as much.  I hope I'm wrong.

Marc, you met my friend Jim at, what, two Maiden shows so far; he's not interested almost at all in the new songs.  He might go with me to the Worcester, MA show, but he's certainly NOT going for the three Senjutsu songs.

Last summer I wore my Senjutsu shirt to a concert and quite a few people commented about my shirt and I asked if they liked the album and not a single one of them had even listened to it.  The US fan base is very biased to the old school stuff. 

I think this is a way of doing the fill on stage presentation, putting on a spectacle, but not relying SOLELY on the music from Senjutsu.

For me, I would be happier if Iron Maiden never played Darkest Hour over never playing Alexander the Great.  So if this is a compromise, it's a compromise I can get behind.  Although, I guess I should hold off until we actually know what they are playing. 
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 06, 2022, 11:48:05 AM
Arghh just play the whole album Maiden, pretty please!  :metal

Caught somewhere in time would be a workout for Nicko. Of course not to say he couldn't do it but it's a tough song for your right feet.

I would be so happy if they finally played AtG, that would be such a celebration to their old fans.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 06, 2022, 12:02:20 PM
I don't have time to go and do a deep dive in the net for proper quotes and news, but.... come on guys, it's all but confirmed they wiil play Alex the Great. They entertained the idea for years, recently I've read here and there that "next tour we might finally play it", Nicko said he wanted to play it, Bruce must have said something at his shows etc.... they all but said it. Come on, it will get played.

It's Caught Somewhere in Time that I have no hopes for.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2022, 12:13:44 PM
It's Caught Somewhere in Time that I have no hopes for.

I think this is a tough one for Bruce and Nicko, but it kind of makes sense to open with it and not Senjutsu IMO.  I wonder if the band feels what a lot of us feel, Senjutsu is not a good opener. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on October 06, 2022, 12:16:01 PM
It's Caught Somewhere in Time that I have no hopes for.

I think this is a tough one for Bruce and Nicko, but it kind of makes sense to open with it and not Senjutsu IMO.  I wonder if the band feels what a lot of us feel, Senjutsu is not a good opener. 

They have never in the past restrained from ripping into an opening song that's difficult for Bruce, such as Aces High. CSiT is 10x more likely to be played than AtG as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: Samsara on October 06, 2022, 12:29:35 PM
I think they both will be. You don't do a tour like this and not play the two songs people have been asking to hear for decades. It'll happen.

When the 2024 U.S. leg is eventually announced (because you know it's coming), I'll be on that for sure. Hoping to go to this tour twice, if they do what they did in my area again like they did in 2019.

Personally, I LOVE Caught Somewhere in Time, Wasted Years and Alexander the Great. I love the whole Somewhere in Time album and art. And Senjutsu...Hell on Earth and Parchment were two of the better tracks, so I am hoping and fairly confident they will be played. And the artwork from the record is absolutely amazing. So I expect a huge visual treat.   :metal
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Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2022, 01:07:30 PM
I will be massively let down if The Parchment isn't played.
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Post by: Samsara on October 06, 2022, 02:31:16 PM
I will be massively let down if The Parchment isn't played.

Well, Bruce should know he can't let the mighty Wolfking down!  :metal
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Post by: Samsara on October 06, 2022, 02:52:05 PM
I was just finishing up listening to Somewhere in Time this afternoon, and it dawned on me Stranger in a Strange Land would also be another visually stunning song to put in the set. If they don't play the album in-full (which would be cool), my guess is:

Caught Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Heaven Can Wait
Alexander the Great
Stranger in a Strange Land

But that said, the entirety of the record is less than 52 minutes. I don't see how that couldn't be done, and the songs still stand up, at least to me. Add Hell on Earth, The Parchment, Days of Future Past, and The Time Machine (just guessing), that's 35 minutes, totaling 87 minutes. In a two-hour set, another 33 minutes of Maiden classics, and bam, there's your show. Giving folks the new record, a full record, and a number of the classics.
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Post by: devieira73 on October 06, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
I'm not saying I'm surprised because Bruce was already giving clues, but I was a bit skeptical that Maiden would make such an specific tour. Anyway, amazing news!! Let's hope Nicko and Bruce will be still in great shape to make sure the SIT songs will be played at high level. I know it won't happen, but Maiden should do a setlist with only Senjutsu and all SIT songs this time (but, probably it will be played the only 5 SIT songs Brian listed above). Yes, I think the presentation will be the best Maiden's stage EVER.
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Post by: soupytwist on October 06, 2022, 03:55:00 PM
Not to bothered about Alexander.  But would love to see Caught and Sea of Madness live.  The issue for me is I'm just not that into Senjutsu, think it's the weakest reunion album, but maybe some of the material will come to life in a live setting.
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Post by: Dream Team on October 06, 2022, 03:56:44 PM
Wait, so we’re absolutely sure this isn’t a hoax? It’s very uncharacteristic of Steve to pay attention to what the fans want, much less care. But yippee if true!
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Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2022, 04:16:16 PM
I will be massively let down if The Parchment isn't played.

Well, Bruce should know he can't let the mighty Wolfking down!  :metal

Of course there is that haha.

Really though, it's a smart play.  Not a lot for Bruce to do, so would be an easier song for him giving him a slight rest.
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Post by: nobloodyname on October 06, 2022, 09:50:46 PM
The video says Samurai 5 - Cyborg 5

So 5 songs from each album - Senjutsu, Stratego, WOTW, Days of Future Past (because it's part of the name of the tour) and Hell on Earth maybe? From SIT: Wasted Years, Heaven Can Wait, Stranger in a Strange Land and...Sea of Madness or Caught Somewhere in time.

 And FOTD, Hallowed be thy Name, TNOTB, The Trooper and Iron Maiden. 15 songs in total.

Based on the quotes, I don't think you're right re songs from Senjutsu. Sounds like they're breaking out the epics.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 11, 2022, 10:11:47 AM
The video says Samurai 5 - Cyborg 5

So 5 songs from each album - Senjutsu, Stratego, WOTW, Days of Future Past (because it's part of the name of the tour) and Hell on Earth maybe? From SIT: Wasted Years, Heaven Can Wait, Stranger in a Strange Land and...Sea of Madness or Caught Somewhere in time.

 And FOTD, Hallowed be thy Name, TNOTB, The Trooper and Iron Maiden. 15 songs in total.

Based on the quotes, I don't think you're right re songs from Senjutsu. Sounds like they're breaking out the epics.

Not sure...but I'm happy to be proven wrong. If that's the case, I'd say at least TWOTW will be maintained, they will play Parchment, Days of Future Past, Hell On Earth and if I had to guess, Darkest Hour.

Maiden hits Turonno tonight guys!!! I'll be there.
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Post by: nick_z on October 14, 2022, 05:00:04 PM
Speaking of Somewhere in Time, I didn't realize they actually played this one live at some point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP4MwIu0yYI

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Post by: TAC on October 14, 2022, 05:04:43 PM
Speaking of Somewhere in Time, I didn't realize they actually played this one live at some point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP4MwIu0yYI

Yes. I have that bootleg. At the VERY Beginning of the tour.
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Post by: nick_z on October 14, 2022, 05:52:09 PM
Yes. I have that bootleg. At the VERY Beginning of the tour.

I guess they figured the song wasn't working in its live version...? Shame, I love that one...
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Post by: The Realm on October 14, 2022, 05:55:39 PM
Yes. I have that bootleg. At the VERY Beginning of the tour.

I guess they figured the song wasn't working in its live version...? Shame, I love that one...

I also never knew that song had ever been played live. I guess it could make a return on the new tour next year.
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Post by: TAC on October 14, 2022, 06:45:49 PM
Yes. I have that bootleg. At the VERY Beginning of the tour.

I guess they figured the song wasn't working in its live version...? Shame, I love that one...

I think they struggled with the tracks that were heavy on the synths. Even the main line in Caught Somewhere In Time never sounded quite right live, and probably explains why they never played it again.

Hopefully, having Jannick helps the main lines of these songs, including ATG sound more ...complete.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 14, 2022, 07:55:22 PM
Speaking of Somewhere in Time, I didn't realize they actually played this one live at some point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP4MwIu0yYI

That was the only time they played it.
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Post by: wolfking on October 15, 2022, 03:58:38 AM
Yes. I have that bootleg. At the VERY Beginning of the tour.

I guess they figured the song wasn't working in its live version...? Shame, I love that one...

I think they struggled with the tracks that were heavy on the synths. Even the main line in Caught Somewhere In Time never sounded quite right live, and probably explains why they never played it again.

Hopefully, having Jannick helps the main lines of these songs, including ATG sound more ...complete.

Bruce sounds really uncomfortable on it too.  I reckon he knew it wouldn't be something he could attempt night after night.
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Post by: TAC on October 18, 2022, 06:43:42 PM
Iron Maiden had issues with the plane during Aces High last night.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was a balloon..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7SfeNpeQHg
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 18, 2022, 07:03:02 PM
It was a Spinal Tap moment 😆
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Post by: Grappler on October 18, 2022, 08:14:00 PM
Bruce standing at the front of the stage during the solo and flapping his arms is the best part of that video.   :lol

I didn't realize it was inflatable either - it looks pretty real from the seats. 
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 19, 2022, 12:18:27 AM
On no the plane melted.  :lol

Yea seeing Bruce flapping his arm was funny, he also ducked from something thrown at him.
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Post by: wolfking on October 19, 2022, 05:01:24 AM
Decent performance from Bruce on that one.
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Post by: Grappler on October 19, 2022, 06:01:12 AM
Decent performance from Bruce on that one.

When I saw them a few weeks ago, Aces High was the one song where I felt he struggled a little.  On other songs like Revelations, he sounded just like he did in 1983 and I was just blown away. 
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Post by: Stadler on October 19, 2022, 07:45:05 AM
Bruce standing at the front of the stage during the solo and flapping his arms is the best part of that video.   :lol

I didn't realize it was inflatable either - it looks pretty real from the seats.

So... I was there.  I went to the show (it was in Worcester), and it was a... not the best, in the sense that the band was on but my seats were so bad that it really impacted the enjoyment of the show.

(https://i.imgur.com/cTZkLw7.jpg)

I'm pretty religious about not leaving early for any show I'm at, but I was with my friend Jim who had hernia surgery about two weeks ago and so we didn't want to get jostled in the crowd, plus it was raining, so we waiting until the plane was inflated, then left.  I ducked back in around the side and snapped a picture, and they were already having problems:

(https://i.imgur.com/fCqYPoY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kTneeal.jpg)

But it was a good show.  I thought Bruce sounded AWESOME.  I thought he was so good.  In the light of the JLB thread elsewhere here, he adjusted the melodies on some occasions, and made sure that even if he didn't sing the entire line the way it was on record that he hit the key notes.   TNOTB (the song) was as solid as I've ever heard it.  I know I'm the minority, but "Senjutsu" the song was excellent, as was "The Writing On The Wall".   The crowd was pretty into those songs, though it's undeniable that the energy ramped up a notch when they went into Revelations.  Just an observation, there was a long pause in the show between the three Senjutsu songs and the rest of the set as they broke down the back drop and took away the "Japanese" motif.  The stage was not as glorious or majestic as I remember it from the Hartford show a couple years (!!) ago.

So in the first picture you can see the screen there; I had the aisle open and I could see the entire backstage area.  The road crew worked their BALLS off.  Between costumes, instruments and props, they were rolling for two straight hours.  Even though the plane malfunctioned, there were I think four inflatables and two Eddies that went on and everything else went like clockwork.
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Post by: TAC on October 19, 2022, 08:00:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/cTZkLw7.jpg)
So in the first picture you can see the screen there; I had the aisle open and I could see the entire backstage area.  The road crew worked their BALLS off.  Between costumes, instruments and props, they were rolling for two straight hours.  Even though the plane malfunctioned, there were I think four inflatables and two Eddies that went on and everything else went like clockwork.


Back in the day, I spent a lot of time walking around during the show to catch different vantage points, and your pic above is one that I always made sure I experienced. That's a great vantage point and you can see a lot of what goes on backstage. Things like seeing Dave or Adrian come offstage to change their guitar. Those little glimpses of them in a more humanistic and practical way really enhance the experience as it's more than just stage posing.



I would've loved to have seen them in Worcester. It's small and somewhat intimate for an arena.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 19, 2022, 08:30:28 AM
Those side seats can be great for the reasons TAC said, but it also kind of sucks that the band is never faced towards you or if certain objects are blocking views of the band.  When I won the Heaven Can Wait contest, the instructions were to meet in the side section next to the stage during the song before so we were waiting in a similar spot as that picture and that's when the power went out at The Garden during Powerslave.  I got a great view of Bruce coming backstage and just ripping into the guy at the side stage sound board.  No idea what he said, we weren't close enough to heaar, but close enough to see his face was very angry and the body language just looked like he was unloading on the guy  :lol and then they went back out on stage and played some soccer

Sadly, I did not win First to the Barrier for the NJ show this week, but I am very excited for Friday night
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Post by: Stadler on October 19, 2022, 08:37:12 AM
Yeah, it's certainly a real eye-opener; "Iron Maiden" in 2022 is not a punk band, running on stage with a guitar, an amp, three chords and the truth.   The backstage area is an operation, and they are usually one or two songs ahead (and interestingly, there is some stagecraft in the backstage area as well; there is a curtain - you can't see it, but it's to the left of the screen in my photo - where the "Eddie" was... I don't know, "changing".  But they shrouded it so that even we couldn't see it.   We could see each of the inflatables before they were ever inflated. 

That perspective, though, makes guys like Bruce that much more impressive to me.  He's very clearly "performing" - he might as well be in a play on Broadway - and yet he brings the energy pretty constantly for two straight hours, no doubt.  This is not Led Zeppelin circa 1973 or the Grateful Dead circa 1977 where the music is an existential experience for the band as well as the audience. EDIT: To Marc's comment, I saw a lot of smiling and laughing when Bruce did come backstage, but that's because everything went off like clockwork; he's not ambling through that performance; he's got cues almost from the start to the finish.
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Post by: Grappler on October 19, 2022, 08:44:22 AM
Being up in the balcony on the left side of the stage, I saw a lot of the backstage activity as well - I could see Bruce every time he ducked behind the curtain and talked to someone in the crew or got a drink, then ran behind the stage to go up in the back or get ready to burst out back onto the stage.

When the stage changed from Japan to the cathedral set, I saw that the backdrops were back-lit to make the stained glass windows shine bright.  Because of my high-up seats, I could see under the curtain and behind the stage and caught the legs of all of the crew members as they worked, getting the stage show effects prepared for the next song or broken down after one finished.

I usually see much smaller club and theater shows, where you are closer and more into the show and rocking out all night.  This time, I was way up in the seats and everyone around me sat on their ass for 2 hours.  It was a much more different vibe and I just chilled and watched the show, rather than spending energy to rock out.  A little disappointing on one level, but fun on another, since it was an experience to watch and take in the whole spectacle, rather than go apeshit when my favorite songs were played and miss things that were happening on and off stage.

That perspective, though, makes guys like Bruce that much more impressive to me.  He's very clearly "performing" - he might as well be in a play on Broadway - and yet he brings the energy pretty constantly for two straight hours, no doubt.  This is not Led Zeppelin circa 1973 or the Grateful Dead circa 1977 where the music is an existential experience for the band as well as the audience. EDIT: To Marc's comment, I saw a lot of smiling and laughing when Bruce did come backstage, but that's because everything went off like clockwork; he's not ambling through that performance; he's got cues almost from the start to the finish.

I definitely agree with this - Bruce had cues on where to be during sections of each song, which I enjoyed seeing.  It was much more than a random show, and his positions, costumes and props were definitely choreographed to each song, including where he stood or came out on stage at times.
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Post by: Stadler on October 19, 2022, 08:55:23 AM
Were you behind me, or on the other side?  I suspect you were behind me, because Bruce spent a lot of time on my side back stage (his little cubicle was to Nicko's right hand, right below where the "bars" were for Hallowed....
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Post by: Grappler on October 19, 2022, 09:10:34 AM
Were you behind me, or on the other side?  I suspect you were behind me, because Bruce spent a lot of time on my side back stage (his little cubicle was to Nicko's right hand, right below where the "bars" were for Hallowed....

No, I live in Chicago, but saw them 2 weeks ago on this same leg of the tour when they came through town.   :)  My seats were a little further out in front, so my perspective wasn't straight sideways.  In the pic below, I caught someone's head blocking the left side of the stage.  But I could see the backstage area behind that side.


(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/311125688_10229750882301016_5915872766406487506_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=yyHiJOGQfg4AX8Zp4t2&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=00_AT9fDYnDhoLhNTmnVxAIxnrlpIgV8NWvKa6A52Qs3r-5Jw&oe=6354DFCA)


Funny anecdote about Chicago - Sharon den Adel had the drummer for Within Temptation stand up and show that he was wearing a Chicago Bulls jersey.  She said he's a big fan and bought the jersey that day.  They were playing at the United Center where the Bulls play, and where the championship banners are hung along with Michael Jordan's retired number.  It's pretty cool that a European basketball fan can be thrilled to play a concert in the same arena where Michael Jordan and the Bulls won their titles. 

 
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Post by: wolfking on October 19, 2022, 03:30:45 PM
Decent performance from Bruce on that one.

When I saw them a few weeks ago, Aces High was the one song where I felt he struggled a little.  On other songs like Revelations, he sounded just like he did in 1983 and I was just blown away.

That's why I posted that comment.  He's always struggled with Aces High IMO, so I was quite surprised what he was able to pull off here.  No doubt then the rest of the songs would have been fantastic.
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Post by: Stadler on October 19, 2022, 03:33:31 PM
Decent performance from Bruce on that one.

When I saw them a few weeks ago, Aces High was the one song where I felt he struggled a little.  On other songs like Revelations, he sounded just like he did in 1983 and I was just blown away.

That's why I posted that comment.  He's always struggled with Aces High IMO, so I was quite surprised what he was able to pull off here.  No doubt then the rest of the songs would have been fantastic.

He kicked the ever-living shit out of Hallowed Be Thy Name on Monday night.  I know it's not a popular song, but same with Senjutsu.   
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Post by: TAC on October 19, 2022, 03:38:20 PM
I gotta admit, I haven't paid much attention to this leg. I thought it was ridiculous that they came back with the Legacy Of The Beast show, but adding 3 of the worst songs off the new album.
Plus, Ticketmaster literally priced me out of even thinking about going.

The stage is still incredible, and the new Senjutsu stage set is amazing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 19, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
Knowing what they are doing next, continuing this current tour just feels like the biggest cock tease.
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Post by: TAC on October 19, 2022, 03:46:05 PM
Well, they come to the US like every 3 or 4 years, and to tour basically the same show is annoying.
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Post by: wolfking on October 19, 2022, 03:48:44 PM
Well, they come to the US like every 3 or 4 years, and to tour basically the same show is annoying.

We are still waiting for them to come back after cancelling for COVID when it all started.  This tour at least should have come to places like us.  I would have no complaints this show coming.  I'll happily wait if the next one comes to us, seems like too much of a novelty tour for us.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 20, 2022, 01:39:53 AM
Fascinating discussion in the latest posts about the crew at work, and enjoying glimps of behind the scenes.

Iron Maiden is my favorite band and I would pay to stand backstage during a concert.

I'd like to be on tour with them for a week or so, and seeing a show from every angle - One night, I get granted a slot in the middle of the front row. Another night, I stand backstage and see the crew at work, seeing all the stuff going on behind the scenes. Another night.... well, I have to think about it, I guess those would be my two main dreams  :D

Also, I'm sure I already talked about it, but I'd love to walk around all those stages. I'd pay for entrance in the "Iron Maiden museum" and walk around exact replicas of all their stages, and seeing all the little details from all angles, with the luxury of time that the excitement of a concert doesn't allow.
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Post by: Stadler on October 20, 2022, 05:55:30 AM
I gotta admit, I haven't paid much attention to this leg. I thought it was ridiculous that they came back with the Legacy Of The Beast show, but adding 3 of the worst songs off the new album.
Plus, Ticketmaster literally priced me out of even thinking about going.

The stage is still incredible, and the new Senjutsu stage set is amazing.

I get tastes and all but the three songs don't present as the worst live.  TWOTW is actually pretty good live and it's not a favorite of mine on the record.   Senjutsu - which IS a favorite - is REALLY good live (though oddly, the drum part at the beginning wasn't quite as epic as I had hoped; might have been my vantage point, since the sound wasn't great where I was as compared to out front when I snapped the pic during Aces High).

I will say this, it felt more... slapdash pieced together than the previous leg.  The previous leg was GLORIOUS; three segments, with three essentially different stages, thematically related... it didn't have that coherence Monday, I will give you that.  The three songs felt sort of stuck on.
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Post by: Grappler on October 20, 2022, 06:30:27 AM
I gotta admit, I haven't paid much attention to this leg. I thought it was ridiculous that they came back with the Legacy Of The Beast show, but adding 3 of the worst songs off the new album.
Plus, Ticketmaster literally priced me out of even thinking about going.

The stage is still incredible, and the new Senjutsu stage set is amazing.

I didn't see the previous leg, so I bought tickets to this one.  I'd prefer the setlist from the previous leg though, with Where Eagles Dare.  I at least got to see the Legacy tour with the big stage show, even if it wasn't exactly the same as when the tour started.


[I will say this, it felt more... slapdash pieced together than the previous leg.  The previous leg was GLORIOUS; three segments, with three essentially different stages, thematically related... it didn't have that coherence Monday, I will give you that.  The three songs felt sort of stuck on.

Kind of.  Instead of opening with the war themed songs, those got moved to the encore.  So it was Senjutsu / Cathedral (religious songs) / Hell / War, except that the stage wasn't really re-dressed after the Cathedral set.  They just changed backdrops.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 20, 2022, 08:39:27 AM
Maiden on Sweden Rock Festival 2023!  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 20, 2022, 01:15:43 PM
I gotta admit, I haven't paid much attention to this leg. I thought it was ridiculous that they came back with the Legacy Of The Beast show, but adding 3 of the worst songs off the new album.
Plus, Ticketmaster literally priced me out of even thinking about going.

The stage is still incredible, and the new Senjutsu stage set is amazing.

I didn't see the previous leg, so I bought tickets to this one.  I'd prefer the setlist from the previous leg though, with Where Eagles Dare.  I at least got to see the Legacy tour with the big stage show, even if it wasn't exactly the same as when the tour started.

That's definitely cool. I wasn't trying to sound like a snobby dick.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 20, 2022, 01:20:43 PM
I'm with TAC on wishing this wasn't another Legacy of the Beast tour, but at the same time, even with costs of tickets going way up, I have a hard time not going to see my favorite band when they play locally.  I'm actually really looking forward to this show tomorrow and it also helps that I'm a big Within Temptation fan so this show ends up being really worth it in my eyes to attend.  The NJ show is also sold out! (or was the other day, I think they may have released some tickets for the floor).  I'm also going with my best friend so I think it's going to be one of the most fun concerts of the year for me.
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Post by: Grappler on October 20, 2022, 01:23:49 PM
I'm with TAC on wishing this wasn't another Legacy of the Beast tour, but at the same time, even with costs of tickets going way up, I have a hard time not going to see my favorite band when they play locally.  I'm actually really looking forward to this show tomorrow and it also helps that I'm a big Within Temptation fan so this show ends up being really worth it in my eyes to attend.  The NJ show is also sold out! (or was the other day, I think they may have released some tickets for the floor).  I'm also going with my best friend so I think it's going to be one of the most fun concerts of the year for me.

Having Within Temptation open helped justify the cost, since I had never seen them before.  I paid at least $100, if not more, for 300 level/balcony seats in a large arena.  There was no way in hell I was paying the price for floor tickets, which was around $130 to $150. 

If I had seen the prior leg, I'd have skipped this go-around.  But I hadn't seen Maiden since 2008, so it was worth it to see the Legacy show with the added new songs, plus Within Temptation as an opener. (I'd skipped two tours for new albums - Final Frontier and Book of Souls, as well as the Maiden England retro tour). 
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Post by: cramx3 on October 20, 2022, 01:41:07 PM
My tickets came out to $120 each after fees for the floor.  Ticketmaster's price scaling has made tickets really expensive for well sold arena shows so I got mine during the fan club presale which was before any price raises. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 20, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
My tickets came out to $120 each after fees for the floor.  Ticketmaster's price scaling has made tickets really expensive for well sold arena shows so I got mine during the fan club presale which was before any price raises.

Fuck Ticketmaster and that bullshit. $200 to sit in the lower arena halfway back? Ridiculous.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 20, 2022, 01:57:08 PM
My tickets came out to $120 each after fees for the floor.  Ticketmaster's price scaling has made tickets really expensive for well sold arena shows so I got mine during the fan club presale which was before any price raises.

Fuck Ticketmaster and that bullshit. $200 to sit in the lower arena halfway back? Ridiculous.

The problem is... people pay it.  I think it's ridiculous but what can you do when people actually buy those?

I saw Smashing Pumpkins last night, it was far from sold out, but they were releasing day of tickets for $200+ for the lower level.  I thought it was insane to pay that much, but I saw as the day went on, people bought them! Not all of them of course, but people were willing to pay that much.  I paid $80 for the last row in the building which I also thought was a bit too much, but I wanted to go.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Deadeye21 on October 20, 2022, 04:51:56 PM
  When I won the Heaven Can Wait contest, the instructions were to meet in the side section next to the stage during the song before so we were waiting in a similar spot as that picture and that's when the power went out at The Garden during Powerslave. 

This would kinda suck if you were avoiding spoilers though. Like it’s one thing to know about Heaven Can Wait, but did they tell you Powerslave was gonna be the song before, or did you just sorta feel it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 20, 2022, 05:34:51 PM
  When I won the Heaven Can Wait contest, the instructions were to meet in the side section next to the stage during the song before so we were waiting in a similar spot as that picture and that's when the power went out at The Garden during Powerslave. 

This would kinda suck if you were avoiding spoilers though. Like it’s one thing to know about Heaven Can Wait, but did they tell you Powerslave was gonna be the song before, or did you just sorta feel it?

Kind of a pretty small price to pay to get on stage with the band during HCW IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 20, 2022, 05:55:42 PM
My tickets came out to $120 each after fees for the floor.  Ticketmaster's price scaling has made tickets really expensive for well sold arena shows so I got mine during the fan club presale which was before any price raises.

Fuck Ticketmaster and that bullshit. $200 to sit in the lower arena halfway back? Ridiculous.

The problem is... people pay it.  I think it's ridiculous but what can you do when people actually buy those?

I saw Smashing Pumpkins last night, it was far from sold out, but they were releasing day of tickets for $200+ for the lower level.  I thought it was insane to pay that much, but I saw as the day went on, people bought them! Not all of them of course, but people were willing to pay that much.  I paid $80 for the last row in the building which I also thought was a bit too much, but I wanted to go.

The FOMO is really real when it comes to concert-going these days.  I'm really hoping as time passes beyond the "pause" of concerts that things will calm down when it comes to ticket prices or people can take a impactful stand in not paying horrifying prices or Ticketmaster/Live Nation gets into legal issues that forces them to stop their dynamic pricing BS.

I guess me seeing Rammstein for $30.00 at a stadium in LA last month was a really rare oddity when it comes to price.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 21, 2022, 07:19:42 AM
  When I won the Heaven Can Wait contest, the instructions were to meet in the side section next to the stage during the song before so we were waiting in a similar spot as that picture and that's when the power went out at The Garden during Powerslave. 

This would kinda suck if you were avoiding spoilers though. Like it’s one thing to know about Heaven Can Wait, but did they tell you Powerslave was gonna be the song before, or did you just sorta feel it?

Kind of a pretty small price to pay to get on stage with the band during HCW IMO.

It was during the Somewhere Back in Time tour celebrating the Powerslave Era, I dont think there was any real spoiler for members of the fan club here.
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Post by: Stadler on October 21, 2022, 08:21:37 AM
My tickets came out to $120 each after fees for the floor.  Ticketmaster's price scaling has made tickets really expensive for well sold arena shows so I got mine during the fan club presale which was before any price raises.

Fuck Ticketmaster and that bullshit. $200 to sit in the lower arena halfway back? Ridiculous.

The problem is... people pay it.  I think it's ridiculous but what can you do when people actually buy those?

I saw Smashing Pumpkins last night, it was far from sold out, but they were releasing day of tickets for $200+ for the lower level.  I thought it was insane to pay that much, but I saw as the day went on, people bought them! Not all of them of course, but people were willing to pay that much.  I paid $80 for the last row in the building which I also thought was a bit too much, but I wanted to go.

People sure as hell paid it in Worcester.  We stayed off the floor on purpose because of my friends surgery, but for a minute or so I was going to try to talk him into floor tickets and we'd stand way back of the pack (I figured about halfway back or so.  NOPE.  The floor was PACKED all the way back to the sound board.   There were some restricted view seats available in my section and the one across the way, but honestly, I think those tickets were sold and people walked, because there was a LOT of crowding into aisles and such that I saw.  That was a mostly full house Monday night.

(And not for nothing, but shirts were $50, and they had a lot of other stuff; I don't think I've ever seen a crowd wearing that much "gear" at a show.  I mean, you had entire aisles of people wearing current tour Maiden stuff.  14,000 in Worcester, at $50 per, if even HALF buy (I did) that's $350k in merch alone.   Steve Harris can buy his own footie team!  :) )
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 21, 2022, 08:24:25 AM
Yeah, it is kind of cool how the IM shows have such a significant amount of fans wearing their tshirts.  I plan on wearing my Senjutsu shirt tonight!  I'm not sure I'll buy a new tshirt, but if they have one that is calling my name, I won't think twice.
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Post by: Grappler on October 21, 2022, 08:26:14 AM
I bought the USA tour shirt, with Eddie on the truck.  I liked the back, though I almost wish I bought a different one instead.  I wasn't going to buy multiple shirts at $50 each.  Even Within Temptation had theirs priced the same. 

A lot of the shirts are online in Maiden's official store for the same price.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 21, 2022, 08:31:04 AM
I love my shirt, but I was kind of bummed it didn't have the dates on the back and I didn't realize it until I got home.  Oh well, it's still cool.  It's the one with the neon colors on the front. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 23, 2022, 03:06:06 AM
For those into bootleg shows, YouTube suggested me this complete show from the Somewhere in Time tour in Paris, 1986:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jju1d0wsImU&ab_channel=%C3%81lex5erna

Just to get a feel of what the tour was like, and maybe guess which elements from the stage show they will bring back.

Looking at the setlist.... I know you had to be there to enjoy the feel of the show, but I think they could have been more daring.

First of all, it's glaringly split in two: the first half is for new stuff and the occasional rarity (Children of the Damned), from the second half onwards, it's all classics back to back, in a time when they could still afford to keep two "epics" in the set (Phantom of the Opera and Hallowed be Thy Name, we all know which song "won" once the songs to play and the albums to pick from were becoming too many). And the encore is the most predictable set of songs.

Also, I'm conflicted about Rime being in the set, followed by a guitar solo. I guess that was a new thing for them and they wanted to go for it, they never really done a solo spot before or ever since, but Rime takes so much of the set.... I assume they were so proud of the song that it seemed a waste to shelve it after just one tour, and they kept it for the next one, but Rime and the solo are 18 minutes of show that could have been spent playing two other songs, three if you keep them short - one should have been Alex the Great of course, and then something off Piece of Mind to honor that album. Flight of Icarus was played in that tour, since it's a short song, just add Wrathchild, which was not still overplayed to death back then, and you have a setlist where every album so far is represented.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2022, 04:08:58 AM
That's weird, I have actually just watched a lot of that show the last couple of days.  I like the set.  Rime is a strange choice but makes sense since they purposely avoided Alex.  That and Phantom seemed like east roll-overs from the last tour.

I think Walking on Air is brilliant.  Some tasty stuff both both lads on that one.  Dave had done solos spots in the past but this was something different.  Really fit the vibe of SIT.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on October 23, 2022, 11:04:34 AM
My show is finally here tonight! Only my second time seeing them (after Maiden England 2012), since I've often just failed to be living in the right place at the right time. I'll be the weirdo who gets more excited for Sign of the Cross than for any other song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 23, 2022, 11:50:36 AM
I was that weirdo as well.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2022, 03:40:03 PM
My show is finally here tonight! Only my second time seeing them (after Maiden England 2012), since I've often just failed to be living in the right place at the right time. I'll be the weirdo who gets more excited for Sign of the Cross than for any other song.

This would be me also.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2022, 03:44:49 PM
My show is finally here tonight! Only my second time seeing them (after Maiden England 2012), since I've often just failed to be living in the right place at the right time. I'll be the weirdo who gets more excited for Sign of the Cross than for any other song.

This would be me also.

Yeah, that's not weird at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2022, 04:20:59 PM
For those into bootleg shows, YouTube suggested me this complete show from the Somewhere in Time tour in Paris, 1986:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jju1d0wsImU&ab_channel=%C3%81lex5erna

Just to get a feel of what the tour was like, and maybe guess which elements from the stage show they will bring back.

Looking at the setlist.... I know you had to be there to enjoy the feel of the show, but I think they could have been more daring.

First of all, it's glaringly split in two: the first half is for new stuff and the occasional rarity (Children of the Damned), from the second half onwards, it's all classics back to back, in a time when they could still afford to keep two "epics" in the set (Phantom of the Opera and Hallowed be Thy Name, we all know which song "won" once the songs to play and the albums to pick from were becoming too many). And the encore is the most predictable set of songs.

Also, I'm conflicted about Rime being in the set, followed by a guitar solo. I guess that was a new thing for them and they wanted to go for it, they never really done a solo spot before or ever since, but Rime takes so much of the set.... I assume they were so proud of the song that it seemed a waste to shelve it after just one tour, and they kept it for the next one, but Rime and the solo are 18 minutes of show that could have been spent playing two other songs, three if you keep them short - one should have been Alex the Great of course, and then something off Piece of Mind to honor that album. Flight of Icarus was played in that tour, since it's a short song, just add Wrathchild, which was not still overplayed to death back then, and you have a setlist where every album so far is represented.

Andrea, I posted a link to the Paris show in my Concert Thread here:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57735.440#lastPost


It's good, but there's way too much Bruce, but at least you get good audio.


I actually prefer the Troy NY bootleg. It's my all time favorite concert boot, and it really shows you what an Iron Maiden concert in 1987 really looked like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu64ESskzR4&t=1s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2022, 04:51:16 PM
I'll check that one out tonight Tim.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2022, 04:55:45 PM
I'll check that one out tonight Tim.

It's a fair dated video, but it's legit. One thing I like about it is that you get a pretty good view of Nicko when the camera pans to him.
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Post by: 425 on October 23, 2022, 10:49:24 PM
Okay, whoa. Take as a grain of salt that I am very much not a heavy concertgoer, having gone to probably somewhere in the range of 8-10 shows in my teenage and adult life. But that was my favorite concert I've ever been to.

Pretty much every element has been spoiled to me by the internet, from the setlist to the stage show, but so much of it still blew me away.

First, the performance was excellent. Sure, someone missed a phrase in a solo here or there, but who cares? They absolutely brought it tonight, all the energy and intensity I love Maiden for. Bruce was particularly incredible. I think he's somehow become more energetic and theatrical on stage over time, or at least that's how he came across to me. And I know the general review has been that he's lost a step this tour, but I thought his singing was great. Maybe if I listened back to the soundboard recording I'd spot all sorts of imperfections, but from the audience perspective, he really delivered, all the way from Senjutsu through Aces High. I can't imagine complaining after seeing and hearing him go out there and give his absolute all, with those results.

Second, I'm a really big fan of the setlist. Would I have wanted to hear For the Greater Good of Good? Absolutely. Where Eagles Dare? For sure. But count me in the minority faction that really liked Senjutsu as an opener. Now, I don't think every opener necessarily needs to be super up-tempo (I've long thought Face in the Sand would be a cool opener) and I really like the song, so I was probably primed to like it. But I thought there was plenty of energy even in front of an American audience with the usual mixed reaction to the album. Having Eddie show up during this song was a stroke of genius, because it was unexpected and helped get the crowd more into it. And then the kick into Stratego amped things up well into the high-energy gear that people expect in a typical opener. Did people react even bigger when Revelations started? Yeah. But that's obviously going to happen whenever a classic gets played. I, at least, was really happy with the Senjutsu-Stratego opening.

On the other hand, I think The Clansman fell flat with a lot of the audience. Part of it was that it was so late in the show, so people were starting to get tired, and then it not being a classic compounded to make some people even sit down during it (and pop back up for Run to the Hills). Again, I think it's unavoidable when you put a non-popular song in that spot in the setlist. Still, I really appreciate the band believing in that song enough to keep it in there for us diehards who love it. The lame crowd response to it was the largest blemish on the show, but I can't care that much when I got to see them absolutely nail THE song that got me into Iron Maiden (and really metal, and prog), a song that a few years ago I thought was surely on the shelf for good.

It was the other Blaze-era piece that was my highlight of the night, though, as you probably could have predicted given my earlier posts. I love Sign of the Cross dearly, and it carries a lot of personal emotion for me. I'm so grateful that they not only played it, but pulled out all the stops to make it a special part of the show. I don't know how it came across to others there—people were obviously less into it than the classics but maintained pretty high energy because it was early in the show—and I could be biased, but it really came across to me like it was meant to be one of the pillars of the set. It's the first part of the show where I can remember seeing pyro, Bruce has a dedicated costume for it, it got a dedicated backdrop that wasn't just repurposed album art... it was really given the pride of place that it deserves.

Over the years I've complained some about the way they sped up Sign of the Cross on Rock in Rio and how I feel like that loses a lot of the sense of The X Factor. I couldn't swear to the tempo they played it at tonight, but seeing it person really did feel like the emotion of The X Factor brought back to life onstage 27 years later. The thing is, almost no one really cares about The X Factor, and they could just as easily not have done it. Hell, Bruce could just say "Those aren't my songs, I'm not singing them." But they did, and not only did they play it, but they created a special experience for fans of the album. I'd say that was the closest thing I've had to a religious experience at a concert (even beating out seeing Ghost Love Score earlier this year).

I can also finally check off Hallowed Be Thy Name. The only other time I saw them was the 2012 Maiden England tour, on which they did not play it. Really liked the setup with the cell and the noose.

I could say a lot about the stage show and the props, too, but I'll just mention a few favorites: the HBTN noose and all of Sign of the Cross, which I mentioned already; the Icarus statue and the melting of his wings; the green light Bruce held for Fear of the Dark; the HBTN noose; Bruce shooting Eddie during The Trooper; and obviously the plane during Aces High.

Alright, I'll stop going on, just wanted to get my thoughts down tonight while it was all still fresh.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 24, 2022, 04:38:32 AM
It really is a great show, the only people who seem to be complaining about it are idiots who've watched some dodgy cell-phone footage on YouTube. I'd defy anyone to sit in an arena and absorb this with their own eyes and ears and not be blown away by the sheer bombastic spectacle of it.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 24, 2022, 04:41:43 AM
Glad that you had such a great time, 425!  :tup

In indsight, I can't believe it took them 40 years to put a rope for Hallowed Be Thy Name, it was the most logical thing to do ever since its release, and it's a prop that takes little to no effort  :D
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Post by: Stadler on October 24, 2022, 06:43:01 AM
My show is finally here tonight! Only my second time seeing them (after Maiden England 2012), since I've often just failed to be living in the right place at the right time. I'll be the weirdo who gets more excited for Sign of the Cross than for any other song.

This would be me also.

Yeah, that's not weird at all.

I went to the first Legacy show for the express purpose of seeing Bruce sing Sign Of The Cross.  It's a highlight of the set, IMO.  I think it's the most "Bruce-like" song from the Blaze era ("Bruce-like", meaning, most like the material that they are putting out today).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 24, 2022, 06:57:33 AM
Okay, whoa. Take as a grain of salt that I am very much not a heavy concertgoer, having gone to probably somewhere in the range of 8-10 shows in my teenage and adult life. But that was my favorite concert I've ever been to.

Pretty much every element has been spoiled to me by the internet, from the setlist to the stage show, but so much of it still blew me away.

First, the performance was excellent. Sure, someone missed a phrase in a solo here or there, but who cares? They absolutely brought it tonight, all the energy and intensity I love Maiden for. Bruce was particularly incredible. I think he's somehow become more energetic and theatrical on stage over time, or at least that's how he came across to me. And I know the general review has been that he's lost a step this tour, but I thought his singing was great. Maybe if I listened back to the soundboard recording I'd spot all sorts of imperfections, but from the audience perspective, he really delivered, all the way from Senjutsu through Aces High. I can't imagine complaining after seeing and hearing him go out there and give his absolute all, with those results.

Second, I'm a really big fan of the setlist. Would I have wanted to hear For the Greater Good of Good? Absolutely. Where Eagles Dare? For sure. But count me in the minority faction that really liked Senjutsu as an opener. Now, I don't think every opener necessarily needs to be super up-tempo (I've long thought Face in the Sand would be a cool opener) and I really like the song, so I was probably primed to like it. But I thought there was plenty of energy even in front of an American audience with the usual mixed reaction to the album. Having Eddie show up during this song was a stroke of genius, because it was unexpected and helped get the crowd more into it. And then the kick into Stratego amped things up well into the high-energy gear that people expect in a typical opener. Did people react even bigger when Revelations started? Yeah. But that's obviously going to happen whenever a classic gets played. I, at least, was really happy with the Senjutsu-Stratego opening.

On the other hand, I think The Clansman fell flat with a lot of the audience. Part of it was that it was so late in the show, so people were starting to get tired, and then it not being a classic compounded to make some people even sit down during it (and pop back up for Run to the Hills). Again, I think it's unavoidable when you put a non-popular song in that spot in the setlist. Still, I really appreciate the band believing in that song enough to keep it in there for us diehards who love it. The lame crowd response to it was the largest blemish on the show, but I can't care that much when I got to see them absolutely nail THE song that got me into Iron Maiden (and really metal, and prog), a song that a few years ago I thought was surely on the shelf for good.

It was the other Blaze-era piece that was my highlight of the night, though, as you probably could have predicted given my earlier posts. I love Sign of the Cross dearly, and it carries a lot of personal emotion for me. I'm so grateful that they not only played it, but pulled out all the stops to make it a special part of the show. I don't know how it came across to others there—people were obviously less into it than the classics but maintained pretty high energy because it was early in the show—and I could be biased, but it really came across to me like it was meant to be one of the pillars of the set. It's the first part of the show where I can remember seeing pyro, Bruce has a dedicated costume for it, it got a dedicated backdrop that wasn't just repurposed album art... it was really given the pride of place that it deserves.

Over the years I've complained some about the way they sped up Sign of the Cross on Rock in Rio and how I feel like that loses a lot of the sense of The X Factor. I couldn't swear to the tempo they played it at tonight, but seeing it person really did feel like the emotion of The X Factor brought back to life onstage 27 years later. The thing is, almost no one really cares about The X Factor, and they could just as easily not have done it. Hell, Bruce could just say "Those aren't my songs, I'm not singing them." But they did, and not only did they play it, but they created a special experience for fans of the album. I'd say that was the closest thing I've had to a religious experience at a concert (even beating out seeing Ghost Love Score earlier this year).

I can also finally check off Hallowed Be Thy Name. The only other time I saw them was the 2012 Maiden England tour, on which they did not play it. Really liked the setup with the cell and the noose.

I could say a lot about the stage show and the props, too, but I'll just mention a few favorites: the HBTN noose and all of Sign of the Cross, which I mentioned already; the Icarus statue and the melting of his wings; the green light Bruce held for Fear of the Dark; the HBTN noose; Bruce shooting Eddie during The Trooper; and obviously the plane during Aces High.

Alright, I'll stop going on, just wanted to get my thoughts down tonight while it was all still fresh.

WOW.  I could have written all of that, word for word, from my show.  I too noticed the slowdown at "The Clansman", even with the "FREEDOM!" chant; it would have been better earlier, but it wouldn't have made sense earlier, either, so there's that. 

I think the degree to which Bruce has not just tolerated, but embraced the Blaze material - I mean, rough numbers, he's dedicating 20 full minutes to a maligned period of the band - is one of the things I love most about him.  TSOTC IS one of the more theatrical numbers; and the song benefits from it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on October 24, 2022, 07:05:00 AM
Another fan here of Signs of the Cross sang by Bruce. Have loved the live renditions of it since I heard it in the Rock in Rio live album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 24, 2022, 08:09:36 AM
Sign of the cross was even more the centerpiece of the tour on the previous leg. Outfits, props, backdrop, pyro, everything just indicated that the song was this tour's Seventh son, Rime or Wild wind. The crowd does seem to be into it as well, which makes me happy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on October 24, 2022, 08:31:29 AM
Another fan here of Signs of the Cross sang by Bruce. Have loved the live renditions of it since I heard it in the Rock in Rio live album.

Same. TBH, with no disrespect to Blaze, I always wished Maiden would have re-recorded some of those two Blaze records with Bruce, Sign of the Cross being one of them (and The Clansman). I respect the hell out of Blaze Bailey. But those songs come to life when sung by Bruce.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 24, 2022, 10:14:01 AM
I couldn't see the stage head on this last time, but the first leg, when the stage lit up in blue stained glass...   glorious.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 24, 2022, 02:24:26 PM
SNIP

WOW.  I could have written all of that, word for word, from my show. 

Yup. Same here other than this was closer to my 18th time seeing IM (I'd have to count) but the sentiment remains the same.  I saw them last Friday and while having seen 3 shows on the previous leg and knowing basically everything they were going to do, it still came off as an epic performance.

Let me start by saying the Prudential Center was PACKED.  It was sold out, but I can't recall ever seeing so many people at this venue before.  I was on the floor, in the back, and even the back of the floor was packed.  It wasn't like many concerts where you can see people all up close on the floor and the back empty, NOPE, the floor was jammed and even the folks in the back were singing and rocking out (like myself). 

I still think Sign of the Cross is also the highlight of this tour.  Senjutsu itself was just as I expected it, an extremely boring opener.  I actually don't think the crowd cared much at all for this song as once they hit the stage and got their "coming out" pop, the crowd was dead for this track until Eddie came out to bring some more life to the song. I hope they do not play this on the next tour.  Having said that, Stratego (here's my full recording of the song! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDK4rDsoHf8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDK4rDsoHf8)) and The Writing on the Wall were both really good live.  I had initially also ranked Stratego fairly low on the album, but it came off sooo much better live.  The Writing on the Wall finally got the crowd going a little bit though.  I think people have come to really like this song (including myself).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfpGZltXoAEjAh2?format=jpg&name=large)

Bruce had a few good lines throughout the night.  "Is it old fucking jersey or new fucking jersey?!"  :lol Bruce is also on another level.  He sounded pretty damn good to me that night and his energy is just through the roof.  Also, Within Temptation were awesome.  Great opener IMO. 

Iron Maiden & Within Temptation LIVE @ Prudential Center Newark NJ 2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCWOH48exmY)
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Post by: Grappler on October 24, 2022, 06:32:20 PM
My favorite Bruce quote from the Chicago show was during his intro to Blood Brothers.  He went into how there were people from all over the world and started naming off the countries on the banners that fans had made.  In the front row was a banner that said those fans were from Florida.

"...Mexico, that's a country.  Brazil, that's a country.  Florida...well, they think they're a country, but they're really not."   :lol

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 25, 2022, 02:59:54 AM
My favorite Bruce quote from the Chicago show was during his intro to Blood Brothers.  He went into how there were people from all over the world and started naming off the countries on the banners that fans had made.  In the front row was a banner that said those fans were from Florida.

"...Mexico, that's a country.  Brazil, that's a country.  Florida...well, they think they're a country, but they're really not."   :lol

 :laugh:

Having seen Maiden a number of times and preferring to save my dollars to put towards bucket list bands well you folks are making it extremely hard to say no to any further Maiden shows.  Ya had me at the Sign Of The Cross writeup...

About the only number I would love for them to include (if they've not?) is Hell On Earth which has grown to be one of my all time Maiden faves! :metal
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2022, 03:20:35 AM
I'm quite confident Hell on Earth will be played in 2023!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 25, 2022, 04:06:59 AM
Yeah, will be very surprised if HOE isn't played next year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 25, 2022, 08:10:07 AM
Yeah, I think Hell on Earth will be played.  I'm pretty sure the band recognized the fan love for it after release.  Now I would really like to see The Parchment too and I'm more iffy if they would play that. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 25, 2022, 02:40:17 PM
Yeah, I think Hell on Earth will be played.  I'm pretty sure the band recognized the fan love for it after release.  Now I would really like to see The Parchment too and I'm more iffy if they would play that.
All of this.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 25, 2022, 05:07:53 PM
Yeah, I think Hell on Earth will be played.  I'm pretty sure the band recognized the fan love for it after release.  Now I would really like to see The Parchment too and I'm more iffy if they would play that.

I'll be gutted if they don't play the Parchment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2022, 08:00:05 PM
Been watching some clips of the current US leg and Bruce sounds amazing. He's been really strong on this tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on October 27, 2022, 06:31:36 AM
Since we all are waiting for the next Somewhere on Tour, here's an amazing live tribute to SIT (with Raphael Mendes on vocals):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6YDNGX8QJs&t=965s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 20, 2022, 02:55:30 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-drummer-nicko-mcbrain-s-secret-cancer-battle-revealed
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on December 20, 2022, 03:12:26 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-drummer-nicko-mcbrain-s-secret-cancer-battle-revealed

Oh wow...good for him he caught it so early...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 20, 2022, 03:24:50 PM
Glad they caught it early.  Sad to see another IM member battle with cancer though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 20, 2022, 03:38:04 PM
Oh gosh. Dreadful news. Glad he was very smart about it and contacted a doctor immediately. Best of wishes to him!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 20, 2022, 03:49:59 PM
Wow.  Props to him for getting it checked right away.  Can't say I've really heard of that type of cancer before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 20, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
It's weird that both Nicko and Bruce had cancer in their throat area.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on December 20, 2022, 04:38:09 PM
Smoking eventually kills.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 20, 2022, 04:43:58 PM
Smoking eventually kills.

Bruce was a smoker?

Also was thinking about a Nicko/ribs/restaurant/smoking joke but got nothing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 20, 2022, 04:46:29 PM
I wasn't aware of either being smokers
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on December 20, 2022, 04:46:55 PM
Smoking eventually kills.

Bruce was a smoker?

Also was thinking about a Nicko/ribs/restaurant/smoking joke but got nothing.

Who really knows but even being around it on tours since the late 70,s isn’t healthy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 20, 2022, 04:49:40 PM
Smoking eventually kills.

Bruce was a smoker?

Also was thinking about a Nicko/ribs/restaurant/smoking joke but got nothing.

Who really knows but even being around it on tours since the late 70,s isn’t healthy.

I guess, but it's a stretch to say it's a reason behind both of them getting mouth related cancers.

I know Dave is/was a smoker.  I'm sure one of the old concert vids you can see him puffing on a cig before the show.  Or maybe it was one of the backstage documentaries.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on December 20, 2022, 04:57:21 PM
I was just speculating. Who knows but it sucks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 21, 2022, 01:24:02 AM
Good Lord. Horrible news. But still, here's to another confirmation that these guys are indestructible.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on December 21, 2022, 02:04:15 AM
Bruce was not (necessarily) wrong when he stated oral sex caused it. His case was due to a viral HPV infection. An HPV infection can cause a lesion that lingers and that can turn cancerous even decades later.

But yes terrible news, hopefully another case of a metal star pulling through and rocking again soon!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on December 21, 2022, 04:55:39 AM
Uuuum. Did anyone actually read the article at all? Dude's in remission and out on tour. That was a feel good fluff piece and y'all are ready for a funeral. Plus, all the gossip about a causes...smoking...oral sex. You do know what the number one cause of death is, right? Being born...100% guaranteed. Enjoy it while it's here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 21, 2022, 07:21:19 AM
He might be in the clear for a year now, but it's still news to us. And horrible piece of news at that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2022, 08:52:34 AM
Uuuum. Did anyone actually read the article at all? Dude's in remission and out on tour. That was a feel good fluff piece and y'all are ready for a funeral. Plus, all the gossip about a causes...smoking...oral sex. You do know what the number one cause of death is, right? Being born...100% guaranteed. Enjoy it while it's here.

Huh, yeah I read it.  I don't recall the article stating the origin of the cancer.  They aren't even on tour, the tour is over which the article made it seem like was about to happen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on December 21, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
Plus, all the gossip about a causes...smoking...oral sex. You do know what the number one cause of death is, right? Being born...100% guaranteed. Enjoy it while it's here.

Yeah. That was just... odd :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on December 21, 2022, 11:55:38 AM
Plus, all the gossip about a causes...smoking...oral sex. You do know what the number one cause of death is, right? Being born...100% guaranteed. Enjoy it while it's here.

Yeah. That was just... odd :lol

I mean, the oral sex thing wasn't gossip. Bruce came out and said the cancer was from HPV that he believes he got from oral sex.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2022, 02:14:12 PM
Uuuum. Did anyone actually read the article at all? Dude's in remission and out on tour. That was a feel good fluff piece and y'all are ready for a funeral. Plus, all the gossip about a causes...smoking...oral sex. You do know what the number one cause of death is, right? Being born...100% guaranteed. Enjoy it while it's here.

Do you mean that as soon as you're born, you're dying?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on December 21, 2022, 02:25:47 PM
Uuuum. Did anyone actually read the article at all? Dude's in remission and out on tour. That was a feel good fluff piece and y'all are ready for a funeral. Plus, all the gossip about a causes...smoking...oral sex. You do know what the number one cause of death is, right? Being born...100% guaranteed. Enjoy it while it's here.

Do you mean that as soon as you're born, you're dying?

Well played, my friend...well played  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 21, 2022, 02:48:38 PM
Uuuum. Did anyone actually read the article at all? Dude's in remission and out on tour. That was a feel good fluff piece and y'all are ready for a funeral. Plus, all the gossip about a causes...smoking...oral sex. You do know what the number one cause of death is, right? Being born...100% guaranteed. Enjoy it while it's here.

Do you mean that as soon as you're born, you're dying?

Wow!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Podaar on December 21, 2022, 04:15:46 PM
Do you mean that as soon as you're born, you're dying?

That must be an Iron Maiden reference I'm not aware of, so in true TAC fashion...

WTF?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on December 21, 2022, 04:26:40 PM
Do you mean that as soon as you're born, you're dying?

That must be an Iron Maiden reference I'm not aware of, so in true TAC fashion...

WTF?!

 :lol

Yeah, it's a line from the chorus in The Clairvoyant  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2022, 04:51:41 PM
Do you mean that as soon as you're born, you're dying?

That must be an Iron Maiden reference I'm not aware of, so in true TAC fashion...

WTF?!

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 24, 2022, 06:46:28 AM
On to merrier things, AMAZING behind-the-scenes with Bruce during the Legacy of the Beast tour!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj4-4v0pKSI&ab_channel=IronMaiden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBn7PHpevfI&ab_channel=IronMaiden

This is the kind of video I've always wanted to see, a complete discovery of what happens inbetween songs and how do they organize for all the changes of sceneries and clothes. Brilliant choice for a video, especially from the point of view of the singer!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 24, 2022, 08:31:50 AM
That was just fantastic.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 24, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
First of all, super cool!

Second, at the 26 second mark of the part 2 video, Bruce is standing in front of a rack of guitars, and there are two 5-string basses.  When does Steve use a 5-string bass??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 24, 2022, 09:01:23 PM
I loved those videos and couldn't believe how busy Bruce is during the show.  Hats off to Maiden for creating one hell of a concert/tour. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 25, 2022, 02:51:55 AM
I loved those videos and couldn't believe how busy Bruce is during the show.  Hats off to Maiden for creating one hell of a concert/tour.

When he did his book tour, I got the chance to ask him a question (through the written cards he was collecting), and mine was "what is your stream of consciousness during a concert? what do you think about during a show?", and he started by recalling all the steps he had to do as coming out, change, get the prop for The Trooper etc (it was early 2019, the LotB tour already started so he used the first songs of the set as an explanation), to make a point of how he was so concentrated on everything he had to do and what would come after, "and you don't even notice it because you're all there YEEEEEEH  :metal". "Sometimes they ask me what it's like to play in front of 40K people and I say I don't really know, I'm too concentrated on what I'm doing". Not verbatim, but that was his point. This video only demonstrates how he REALLY has to be focused the entire time on what he's doing, and what he's about to do next (see even the details as having to wear the flamethrower before the end of Sign of the Cross and then having to sing the end in a way that disguises it).

I chuckled at how sometimes he panics when Nicko starts Fear of the Dark too soon while he's still changing, I totally understand that  :lol sometimes I thought about these details and wondered how they must race against time in certain moments. That's the rock n' roll equivalent of being late for work and knowing the subway train is about to arrive, but you can't find your keys or something else and you start to curse the lack of time  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on December 25, 2022, 09:36:07 AM
That's awesome!  I was amazed to see that he's preparing for Flight of Icarus during the instrumental section of Sign of the Cross, then has to go back out, not fall down the stairs, finish the song, then use the cross to distract from the Icarus prop going up behind him, then tossing off the cloak, all within a matter of minutes, and all while trying to relax his breathing and throat muscles.  The guy is absolutely amazing at what he does along with understanding what is required of him to entertain the audience. 

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: krands85 on December 26, 2022, 07:54:44 AM
I loved those videos and couldn't believe how busy Bruce is during the show.  Hats off to Maiden for creating one hell of a concert/tour. 
Agreed, those videos were a great insight. Sadly I've never seen them live, but it looks like they really go all out to put together a great experience for the fans. Bruce must be absolutely shattered after every show  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 29, 2022, 07:43:48 PM
I bought the Senjutsu "gift pack," which comes with 3 bottles of Sun and Steel beer and a branded glass.  I was disappointed that Total Wine didn't have any of the other Maiden branded beer.  We'll see how the S&S is once it's been properly refrigerated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 29, 2022, 07:51:07 PM
I bought the Senjutsu "gift pack," which comes with 3 bottles of Sun and Steel beer and a branded glass.  I was disappointed that Total Wine didn't have any of the other Maiden branded beer.  We'll see how the S&S is once it's been properly refrigerated.

I had that exact same pack on my Christmas list. Didn't get it...

But I did get this from my stepson!

(https://i.imgur.com/HvplzKW.jpg)



Total Wine usually has the Troopers. I've gotten The Red And The Black there a few times as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on December 29, 2022, 07:58:29 PM
That's fucking sweet, Tim!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 29, 2022, 08:46:24 PM
Indeed, that's epic!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on December 30, 2022, 02:13:35 PM
Love it!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 03, 2023, 10:32:35 AM
So...I tried the Sun and Steel beer over the weekend with a burger.  It was very meh (unlike the song it's named after, which is awesome).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 03, 2023, 10:35:03 AM
That's a cool beer mug, but I agree, Sun & Steel is not a very good beer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 03, 2023, 01:36:33 PM
I had heard a lot of complaints about Sun And Steel. I wouldn't get it again on purpose, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it had been made out to be.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 03, 2023, 01:43:21 PM
10 years late to the party on this side issue, but:  One of my kids was scrolling through my Amazon wish list and decided to give me the En Vivo! CD set.  I've had the DVD for a long time, but have wanted it on CD so I could listen to the audio whenever I want.  So glad to finally have this after all this time.  This is easily my favorite official live performance from the band.  And it's nice to have Satellite 15 and The Final Frontier as separate tracks as well.  Anyway, I'm going to go listen to El Dorado on auto repeat for the next few hours...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 03, 2023, 01:53:12 PM
10 years late to the party on this side issue, but:  One of my kids was scrolling through my Amazon wish list and decided to give me the En Vivo! CD set.  I've had the DVD for a long time, but have wanted it on CD so I could listen to the audio whenever I want.  So glad to finally have this after all this time.  This is easily my favorite official live performance from the band.  And it's nice to have Satellite 15 and The Final Frontier as separate tracks as well.  Anyway, I'm going to go listen to El Dorado on auto repeat for the next few hours...

Agree on how good that set is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 03, 2023, 01:55:28 PM
10 years late to the party on this side issue, but:  One of my kids was scrolling through my Amazon wish list and decided to give me the En Vivo! CD set.  I've had the DVD for a long time, but have wanted it on CD so I could listen to the audio whenever I want.  So glad to finally have this after all this time.  This is easily my favorite official live performance from the band.  And it's nice to have Satellite 15 and The Final Frontier as separate tracks as well. Anyway, I'm going to go listen to El Dorado on auto repeat for the next few hours...

I have the blu-ray, not the CD set and didn't realize they were smart enough to fix that mistake on the album.  I almost never listen to the title track because of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2023, 03:07:21 AM
10 years late to the party on this side issue, but:  One of my kids was scrolling through my Amazon wish list and decided to give me the En Vivo! CD set.  I've had the DVD for a long time, but have wanted it on CD so I could listen to the audio whenever I want.  So glad to finally have this after all this time.  This is easily my favorite official live performance from the band.  And it's nice to have Satellite 15 and The Final Frontier as separate tracks as well.  Anyway, I'm going to go listen to El Dorado on auto repeat for the next few hours...

Bah!  You stole my comeback right at the end there.    ;D

The Talisman here could be my fav Bruce performance ever.  It's just unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 04, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
Yep. Those high notes are unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Yep. Those high notes are unbelievable.

I think it's better than the studio version.

TFF took a long while to grow on me but now it's right up there.  I remember revisiting En Vivo and really enjoying it.  I was never that keen on the set to be honest, but don't really have an issue with it now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 04, 2023, 04:42:44 PM
The Talisman is my favorite Reunion Era song and TFF is my favorite Reunion Era album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on January 05, 2023, 08:37:00 AM
Blimey! :omg:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64173882

Iron Maiden release limited edition postal stamps with Royal Mail
By Imogen James
BBC News

Members of the iconic heavy metal group Iron Maiden have joined a select few musicians with the honour of having their own postage stamps.

The new collection, available for pre-order from Thursday, includes 12 stamps.

Eight stamps feature pictures from their tours across the world over the years, and feature all current members of the band.

The band's popular mascot Eddie is also pictured on four of the stamps.

They are only the fifth group to be honoured with a stamp issue, following on from The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Queen and the Rolling Stones.

The images used in the collection range from 1980 to 2018 and include a photo from their 1983 gig in Hammersmith, and a 2008 gig at Twickenham Stadium.

There are also group shots, such as one of Dave Murray, Bruce Dickinson and Janick Gers in Rio de Janeiro, January 2001.

A stamp of Eddie shows an image from the cover of the band's first album, while another depicts him as a Samurai warrior echoing the cover art of the latest album.

The eight stamps of the band are priced at £11.70, and the four of Eddie at £5.60.

Both sets have a mixture of first class and £1.85 stamps, and will be available from January 12.

Other items are being released as part of the collection, including postcards.

Founding member and bassist, Steve Harris, said the band was astounded with the project and were speechless when they saw the stamps for the first time.

He continued: "They look superb and I think they really capture the essence and energy of Maiden. We're all very proud that Royal Mail has chosen to honour the band's legacy like this and we know our fans will feel the same way."

Formed by Steve Harris in east London in 1975, Iron maiden have sold more than 130 million copies of their albums worldwide and are considered one of the most influential rock bands of all time.

They have received Grammy's, Brit Awards and recently finished their Legacy Of The Beast World Tour where they played to over 3 million fans.

The band's last album Senjutsu was released in September and debuted at number one in 27 countries.

Iron maiden recently announced their next tour, The Future Past Tour, which will kick off in Europe this summer.

David Gold, director of external public affairs and policy at Royal Mail, added: "Few bands in the history of rock music can be called bona fide rock legends - but Iron Maiden are just that - and more.

"With legions of devoted fans of all ages and from every corner of the globe, not only have they changed the way rock music sounds, but they have also changed the way it looks. We fully expect their fans will love these stamps as much as we do."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 05, 2023, 08:58:46 AM

They are only the fifth group to be honoured with a stamp issue, following on from The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Queen and the Rolling Stones.

That's shocking to me; no Zeppelin? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on January 05, 2023, 09:53:02 AM
Stamps are a big deal, right?  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2023, 02:25:59 PM

They are only the fifth group to be honoured with a stamp issue, following on from The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Queen and the Rolling Stones.

That's shocking to me; no Zeppelin?

Seems like the Royal Mail have a decent taste in music then.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on January 08, 2023, 04:00:41 PM
This is fantastic!  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on January 13, 2023, 08:34:18 PM
It seems like Bruce gave up on keeping the cat inside the bag for the next tour and answered a burning setlist question at one of his recent spoken word gigs. I'll be vague about it because there may be people who don't want to be spoiled on the set (excess of caution, perhaps?), but really, I'm so glad for what's coming!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 13, 2023, 10:01:14 PM
It seems like Bruce gave up on keeping the cat inside the bag for the next tour and answered a burning setlist question at one of his recent spoken word gigs. I'll be vague about it because there may be people who don't want to be spoiled on the set (excess of caution, perhaps?), but really, I'm so glad for what's coming!

Well, you just gave it away from your post.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 14, 2023, 06:40:17 AM
I haven't seen any clips about it, but if we're talking about that song that they've been teasing about since years, I guess it's gonna be after all the LEAST surprising part of the setlist.

I mean, at this point, after all the years of teasing and doing a tour based on that album, NOT playing it would be a dick move, akin like not playing Infinite Dreams during the Maiden England tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on January 14, 2023, 07:52:26 AM
It seems like Bruce gave up on keeping the cat inside the bag for the next tour and answered a burning setlist question at one of his recent spoken word gigs. I'll be vague about it because there may be people who don't want to be spoiled on the set (excess of caution, perhaps?), but really, I'm so glad for what's coming!

Well, you just gave it away from your post.

I think I took enough care with how I worded it, but by all means let's keep talking about stamps.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on January 14, 2023, 03:42:54 PM
Anyone with more than a passing interest in Maiden will know what song Bruce (and therefore your goodself) is talking about :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2023, 03:50:56 PM
Didn't he say they're discussing it? Is that to be taken as confirmation?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2023, 04:00:28 PM
Maybe I’m just being dense but I’ve been an Iron Maiden fan since 1985 and I don’t know what you guys are talking about. Of course, I haven’t listen to the interview either.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on January 14, 2023, 04:15:36 PM
Bloody hell. I'm flabbergasted by that, JD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 14, 2023, 04:25:45 PM
Someone posted on Reddit that Dickinson confirmed they'd be playing Alexander the Great.  People who commented on it refuted the claim.  I haven't seen anything else on the subject.


Anyone with more than a passing interest in Maiden will know what song Bruce (and therefore your goodself) is talking about :lol
Agree, but I used the small font anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 14, 2023, 04:30:28 PM
Someone posted on Reddit that Dickinson confirmed they'd be playing Alexander the Great.  People who commented on it refuted the claim.  I haven't seen anything else on the subject.


Anyone with more than a passing interest in Maiden will know what song Bruce (and therefore your goodself) is talking about :lol
Agree, but I used the small font anyway.

Thank you. Got it
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTA on January 14, 2023, 05:54:59 PM
If they can’t play it with 3 guitarists then they’re just being assholes at this point. It’s a hard rock song, not an opera.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 14, 2023, 08:01:02 PM
If they can’t play it with 3 guitarists then they’re just being assholes at this point. It’s a hard rock song, not an opera.

I think it was always the complexity of it.  Not that it's over the top complex (only that 7/8 section) but I remember there always being a bullshit reason about not being able to remember it or something.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 16, 2023, 09:17:32 AM
Here's the video that was referenced earlier (don't click if you don't want a spoiler, but that last person made it really obvious): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6oUY6-WKM

I don't really take it as confirmation for anything.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 16, 2023, 09:45:28 AM
Here's the video that was referenced earlier (don't click if you don't want a spoiler, but that last person made it really obvious): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6oUY6-WKM

I don't really take it as confirmation for anything.
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's definite confirmation, but it's curious that he included it as part of his routine. At this point, it's the white elephant in the room. And I love how the fans have spoken!   :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on January 16, 2023, 10:35:19 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's definite confirmation, but it's curious that he included it as part of his routine. At this point, it's the white elephant in the room. And I love how the fans have spoken!   :rollin

He didn't include it in his routine, specifically.  it's the part of his routine where he answers fan-submitted questions.  I think the video is hilarious as he's just flipping the cards and reading question after question about the song.  His answer was "I can't tell you," which isn't truly confirming anything, but makes one suspicious that it may likely be played.  Either way, I think it's much ado about nothing. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 16, 2023, 10:51:13 AM
Here's the video that was referenced earlier (don't click if you don't want a spoiler, but that last person made it really obvious): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6oUY6-WKM

I don't really take it as confirmation for anything.

“This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Iron Maiden.”

Hmmmmm
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 16, 2023, 11:01:02 AM
Here's the video that was referenced earlier (don't click if you don't want a spoiler, but that last person made it really obvious): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6oUY6-WKM

I don't really take it as confirmation for anything.

“This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Iron Maiden.”

Hmmmmm
And even the Blabbermouth post talking about those videos has disappeared! Things to make you say "Hmmmmm" indeed.  ::) :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 16, 2023, 11:22:03 AM
Here's the same clip - watch it before Maiden has it deleted!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SUkzryIxok

And here is the now (suspiciously) missing BM article (thanks to the Wayback Machine):
https://web.archive.org/web/20230115143740/https://blabbermouth.net/news/watch-iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-answers-fan-submitted-questions-at-bergen-stop-of-january-2023-spoken-word-tour


Iron Maiden: "These are not the droids you're looking for..."  :lol

They're gonna end up causing the "Streisand effect" to happen.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 16, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
It's a bit 100%. The questions are preselected during intermission and I'm sure there are some fake questions thrown in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 16, 2023, 01:35:03 PM
If they can’t play it with 3 guitarists then they’re just being assholes at this point. It’s a hard rock song, not an opera.

I think it was always the complexity of it.  Not that it's over the top complex (only that 7/8 section) but I remember there always being a bullshit reason about not being able to remember it or something.

Um, maybe it's just not that good of a song... just sayin'. :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on January 16, 2023, 01:39:55 PM
If they can’t play it with 3 guitarists then they’re just being assholes at this point. It’s a hard rock song, not an opera.

I think it was always the complexity of it.  Not that it's over the top complex (only that 7/8 section) but I remember there always being a bullshit reason about not being able to remember it or something.

Um, maybe it's just not that good of a song... just sayin'. :) :) :)

Ya. It’s ok. But I never understood the fan service of that song myself.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 16, 2023, 02:06:59 PM
How it ends so abruptly castrates the track a bit, honestly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 16, 2023, 02:08:47 PM
He didn't include it in his routine, specifically.  it's the part of his routine where he answers fan-submitted questions.
I know that. My point is, he could've avoided those questions completely, since he doesn't answer every question submitted. But instead, he decided to acknowledge them. That's what I meant by him including it in his routine.
 
 
If they can’t play it with 3 guitarists then they’re just being assholes at this point. It’s a hard rock song, not an opera.
I think it was always the complexity of it.  Not that it's over the top complex (only that 7/8 section) but I remember there always being a bullshit reason about not being able to remember it or something.
Um, maybe it's just not that good of a song... just sayin'. :) :) :)
Ya. It’s ok. But I never understood the fan service of that song myself.
Different strokes for different folks, but it's a song I love. And I think because it's not only one of the longer songs from the 80s, but also one that has never been played live has helped it build up its "legendary" status. I think a fair comparison would be to Rush's The Camera Eye, which IMO is a decent song, but really nothing exceptional and perhaps a bit bloated. But before Rush brought it back in 2010, it seemed to top all the wish lists that were compiled of what fans wanted to see them play. I'd say the way you guys view AtG is similar.


How it ends so abruptly castrates the track a bit, honestly.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 16, 2023, 02:34:15 PM
If they can’t play it with 3 guitarists then they’re just being assholes at this point. It’s a hard rock song, not an opera.

I think it was always the complexity of it.  Not that it's over the top complex (only that 7/8 section) but I remember there always being a bullshit reason about not being able to remember it or something.

Um, maybe it's just not that good of a song... just sayin'. :) :) :)

I like it, but won't be up in arms if they don't play it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 17, 2023, 07:16:22 AM

Different strokes for different folks, but it's a song I love. And I think because it's not only one of the longer songs from the 80s, but also one that has never been played live has helped it build up its "legendary" status. I think a fair comparison would be to Rush's The Camera Eye, which IMO is a decent song, but really nothing exceptional and perhaps a bit bloated. But before Rush brought it back in 2010, it seemed to top all the wish lists that were compiled of what fans wanted to see them play. I'd say the way you guys view AtG is similar.

That's all true, of course, but I bristle at that stuff generally.  Things get a sort of reputation after a while, and I find it... puzzling.  It's the same thing that happened back when Flying Colors was coming out, and they released the song titles, and durations.  Within about eight minutes, without hearing a note of music, there were all these people saying "OOOOOOOHHHHHHH!  BLUE OCEAN IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!" and "CAN'T WAIT FOR INFINITE FIRE, BITCHES!" (yes, they said that! :) :) ).    And it was nothing more than the time of the song.  Wha?   The Beatles Revolution 9 is their longest song by far, and it's not even a song!  It's a sound collage! And one of the greatest songs ever written in the history of music (at least evidenced by it's sales and cover versions) is "Yesterday", 2:05 of near perfection.   

I don't begrudge anyone from liking the song; hell, my list shows that I'm my own man when it comes to liking songs by bands.  But to project that on others, or the band... I don't get it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2023, 08:08:21 AM

If they can’t play it with 3 guitarists then they’re just being assholes at this point. It’s a hard rock song, not an opera.
I think it was always the complexity of it.  Not that it's over the top complex (only that 7/8 section) but I remember there always being a bullshit reason about not being able to remember it or something.
Um, maybe it's just not that good of a song... just sayin'. :) :) :)
Ya. It’s ok. But I never understood the fan service of that song myself.
Different strokes for different folks, but it's a song I love. And I think because it's not only one of the longer songs from the 80s, but also one that has never been played live has helped it build up its "legendary" status. I think a fair comparison would be to Rush's The Camera Eye, which IMO is a decent song, but really nothing exceptional and perhaps a bit bloated. But before Rush brought it back in 2010, it seemed to top all the wish lists that were compiled of what fans wanted to see them play. I'd say the way you guys view AtG is similar.

Also reminds me of Space Dye Vest.  You don't hear too many people calling for that song to be played anymore once DT finally played it.

I enjoy ATG, but it's mid tier IM.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on January 17, 2023, 02:02:24 PM
I used to consider it top 10, but it has fallen quite a bit as I've grown to like a lot of other songs more.  But I'd still love to see it. 

Regarding the video, I agree with those who say it isn't even nearly a "confirmation" of anything.  But at the same time, unless there is a long running joke of Bruce trolling fans about it every tour, this really seems like a strong hint that they are going to do it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 17, 2023, 02:21:38 PM
To me, the real hint is Iron Maiden taking anything related to it down from the internet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 17, 2023, 02:25:51 PM
Bruce has teased playing it before

To me, the real hint is Iron Maiden taking anything related to it down from the internet.

But this is how I feel too.  I feel IM mostly don't care about what's posted on the internet about them, so seeing this is odd and maybe more of a confirmation than what was even posted.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 17, 2023, 02:35:35 PM
To me, the real hint is Iron Maiden taking anything related to it down from the internet.

That's true.  Bruce has said many times and even I remember in concerts saying to film and share as much stuff about the band as possible that they didn't give a fuck about what's really out there so it is interesting behaviour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 17, 2023, 03:35:33 PM
I used to consider it top 10, but it has fallen quite a bit as I've grown to like a lot of other songs more.  But I'd still love to see it. 

Regarding the video, I agree with those who say it isn't even nearly a "confirmation" of anything.  But at the same time, unless there is a long running joke of Bruce trolling fans about it every tour, this really seems like a strong hint that they are going to do it.
There kind of is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWsuWg8Q6AE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxfSgS4TYYs

Only difference now is there is a tour where it seems like an obvious choice. At the same time though, it also seems like an obvious choice to not play it. I can see it going either way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 18, 2023, 05:22:24 AM
Bruce also said they would be playing Senjutsu all the way through in smaller venues for this tour - Bruce often presents his views and opinions as fact, forgetting that Rod and 'Arry also have a say. Take anything he says with a pinch of salt the size of Lot's wife.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2023, 08:40:40 AM
Bruce also said they would be playing Senjutsu all the way through in smaller venues for this tour - Bruce often presents his views and opinions as fact, forgetting that Rod and 'Arry also have a say. Take anything he says with a pinch of salt the size of Lot's wife.

I'll be bummed if that doesn't happen, but honestly, I think the odds are very low that it does.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2023, 08:49:08 AM
Yeah, given the next tour announcement, I'm not sure when they'd do a Senjutsu in full tour.  And while it would be awesome to see IM play in a smaller venue, I just don't see the reason for them to do that when it's more likely they can be playing stadiums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 18, 2023, 11:17:29 AM
As far as I know, Bruce never said that they were going to do it, he said they were considering it. I'm sure it was a serious consideration at one point before they figured out a way to combine it into a fan service-y nostalgia tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on January 18, 2023, 11:21:51 AM
And there's nothing wrong with a fan service nostalgia tour. Look, I love new music. I love bands to play and support their new music. But when you have bands like Maiden, it's hard to do the balancing act. Personally, I like how they've handled it over the years.

I remember some years ago they did a tour...Maiden super fans correct me here...where they did all stuff from their reunion albums. I was there. I loved it. But then I also loved when they did the whole Seventh Son re-do tour as well. Maiden has so many albums and so many songs, it's incredibly hard to please everyone. I think they do a way better job than some.

And Mosh, I'm not pointing the finger at you at all in a negative way. You know I have nothing but respect for you. But whenever I see the term "fan service" I tend to want to spout off a bit.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 18, 2023, 11:37:07 AM
I'm not making a value judgment, in fact I think this was the right way to go given really unfortunate timing circumstances with the album promotion cycle. I do see the Somewhere in Time element as a "thank you and sorry for the inconvenience" to the hardcore fans. I doubt they would be thinking about doing something like that if there weren't all the COVID cancelations and the album being put on hold for a year.

I remember some years ago they did a tour...Maiden super fans correct me here...where they did all stuff from their reunion albums. I was there. I loved it. But then I also loved when they did the whole Seventh Son re-do tour as well. Maiden has so many albums and so many songs, it's incredibly hard to please everyone. I think they do a way better job than some.

You're thinking of the 2010 Final Frontier tour (where Dream Theater opened, they just released an official bootleg of the MSG show). I was there too, awesome show! I strongly believe that Maiden's longevity is primarily because they continue to make the new albums a big deal when they play live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
IM are selling jewelry made from used guitar strings http://www.theguitarwrist.co.uk/iron-maiden/ (http://www.theguitarwrist.co.uk/iron-maiden/)

You're thinking of the 2010 Final Frontier tour (where Dream Theater opened, they just released an official bootleg of the MSG show). I was there too, awesome show! I strongly believe that Maiden's longevity is primarily because they continue to make the new albums a big deal when they play live.

I wasn't aware of that! I was also at that show
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 18, 2023, 02:49:54 PM
There's a bit of discussion about it over on the DT side, definitely worth checking out and pairs well with this bootleg for a complete experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTCKzEKn3rc

Anyone interested in more entries in the Maiden discography thread? Could be fun to discuss the new album and LOTB tour in depth. The original plan was going to update it again when LOTB ended (the tour started a few weeks after that thread finished), but obviously that tour took way longer than anyone could have expected.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2023, 03:12:53 PM
Anyone interested in more entries in the Maiden discography thread? Could be fun to discuss the new album and LOTB tour in depth. The original plan was going to update it again when LOTB ended (the tour started a few weeks after that thread finished), but obviously that tour took way longer than anyone could have expected.  :lol

Definitely!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 18, 2023, 05:20:42 PM
Anyone interested in more entries in the Maiden discography thread? Could be fun to discuss the new album and LOTB tour in depth. The original plan was going to update it again when LOTB ended (the tour started a few weeks after that thread finished), but obviously that tour took way longer than anyone could have expected.  :lol

Definitely!

+1.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on January 18, 2023, 11:41:44 PM
Thirded. Always a real appetite for Maiden in this forum.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2023, 09:35:52 AM
https://www.loudersound.com/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-on-his-upcoming-solo-album-im-very-proud-of-it-i-think-its-gonna-be-quite-special?utm_content=metal-hammer&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow (https://www.loudersound.com/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-on-his-upcoming-solo-album-im-very-proud-of-it-i-think-its-gonna-be-quite-special?utm_content=metal-hammer&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow)

Might get the next Bruce solo album later this year after the IM tour and he says he plans to tour for it too! A Bruce solo tour would be "can't miss" for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 25, 2023, 09:42:44 AM
https://www.loudersound.com/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-on-his-upcoming-solo-album-im-very-proud-of-it-i-think-its-gonna-be-quite-special?utm_content=metal-hammer&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow (https://www.loudersound.com/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-on-his-upcoming-solo-album-im-very-proud-of-it-i-think-its-gonna-be-quite-special?utm_content=metal-hammer&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow)

Might get the next Bruce solo album later this year after the IM tour and he says he plans to tour for it too! A Bruce solo tour would be "can't miss" for me.

Definitely!! Seen him twice solo and he's awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 25, 2023, 01:04:47 PM
The last time he toured solo the world was so young (the internet, at least!) and I didn't even know he was coming my way until after the fact, since I didn't have proper internet access. Oh, the good old times of going to the record store to find out about new releases, and concerts...

Having said that, of course I agree that a Bruce solo tour cannot be missed. Which venues would he play? when he was out of Maiden he played fairly small places, now I'd reckon he'd get at least Dream Theater or Helloween sized crowds if not more.....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2023, 01:08:35 PM
Yeah, I have to think he'd be playing in 1-3k capacity theaters/ballrooms types.  I just don't know how much interest outside of people like us there is.  British Lion was playing 500 capcity clubs on their last tour of the US to give some sort of an idea. I think Bruce is a bigger draw, but not sure how much bigger.  I could also be completely wrong here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 25, 2023, 01:15:06 PM
From reading that it sounds like the album is still a while away.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on January 25, 2023, 01:27:48 PM
Last time he was in my area for his book tour, he was in the same venue that Dream Theater regularly plays in. I'm sure he could draw the same crowd if not more on a music tour. I would guess that Bruce is a massively bigger draw than British Lion and he has more recognition and interest now than when he was a solo artist in the late 90s.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on January 25, 2023, 01:44:50 PM
I don't care if it's in a 200 person club or 20,000 arena, one of my absolute bucket list wishes is a Bruce Dickinson solo show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 25, 2023, 03:45:38 PM
I don't care if it's in a 200 person club or 20,000 arena.....

 :tup

I don't want to see even ONE Maiden song that's been played in the last 20+ years either! Only VERY RARE or ALL Bruce solo songs! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on January 25, 2023, 03:46:17 PM
If and when Bruce decides to do a solo tour, I think he'll easily play good sized theaters. The Orpheum in Boston, The Beacon in New York, The Warfield in San Fran. Those places are just under 3,000 capacity. In some markets, he may play bigger ones. The last time he was a legit solo artist, back in what...1995-1998, the concert business was completely different. His "brand" (I hate that word) was much smaller. He was simply "the ex-singer of Iron Maiden." Let's face it, since then, both he and Halford have increased their profiles dramatically.

I could see Halford and Dickinson co-headlining small amphitheaters (say 8k-10k) with their respective solo bands, if they decided they wanted to go that way. Time and the appreciation of the work from iron Maiden and Judas Priest has only grown over the last 25 years, and their respective frontmen are now (they were before, but even moreso now) absolute legends.

But Bruce...Bruce is fucking Bruce, man. That guy will play any room like there are 100,000 people in the joint.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2023, 04:22:21 PM
Yeah, some of this could depend on who he tours with.  My biggest question mark, and while Bruce has become more popular by name, is do people generally know his solo music?  It's kind of obscure at this point.  Basically, if you are an IM fan from the last ten years, are you even aware of this music?  Might be a moot question once his next album comes out.  I'm mostly curious from a booking perspective.  What do the people who front the money expect? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 25, 2023, 04:28:06 PM
I think taking Adrian back out with him also would make it a bigger attraction again.  Even getting the AOB/CW lineup back out there would just be incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2023, 04:30:56 PM
I think taking Adrian back out with him also would make it a bigger attraction again.  Even getting the AOB/CW lineup back out there would just be incredible.

Yeah, nothing was mentioned about Adrian in that article, only Roy Z.  Would be great if Adrian was involved again, but I guess we have to wait and see if he's involved at all (on the album and/or on the tour).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 25, 2023, 04:37:36 PM
I think taking Adrian back out with him also would make it a bigger attraction again.  Even getting the AOB/CW lineup back out there would just be incredible.

Yeah, nothing was mentioned about Adrian in that article, only Roy Z.  Would be great if Adrian was involved again, but I guess we have to wait and see if he's involved at all (on the album and/or on the tour).

I would actually be very surprised if he was, it was just pure fantasy from my point of view.  Unless Adrian wants time out though, there's no reason not to have him involved.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2023, 04:40:14 PM
I think taking Adrian back out with him also would make it a bigger attraction again.  Even getting the AOB/CW lineup back out there would just be incredible.

Yeah, nothing was mentioned about Adrian in that article, only Roy Z.  Would be great if Adrian was involved again, but I guess we have to wait and see if he's involved at all (on the album and/or on the tour).

I would actually be very surprised if he was, it was just pure fantasy from my point of view.  Unless Adrian wants time out though, there's no reason not to have him involved.

He's got his thing with Ritchie Kotzen that features him a lot more too.  I'm not sure that he needs or wants the work. I'd love to have him on both tour and album, but yeah, it may just be fantasy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 25, 2023, 04:44:28 PM
I think taking Adrian back out with him also would make it a bigger attraction again.  Even getting the AOB/CW lineup back out there would just be incredible.

Yeah, nothing was mentioned about Adrian in that article, only Roy Z.  Would be great if Adrian was involved again, but I guess we have to wait and see if he's involved at all (on the album and/or on the tour).

I would actually be very surprised if he was, it was just pure fantasy from my point of view.  Unless Adrian wants time out though, there's no reason not to have him involved.

He's got his thing with Ritchie Kotzen that features him a lot more too.  I'm not sure that he needs or wants the work. I'd love to have him on both tour and album, but yeah, it may just be fantasy.

True, forgot about that. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on January 26, 2023, 04:03:07 AM
I saw Bruce on the Balls to Picasso tour, and it was awesome. A few years after that he would play in Sao Paulo, where I was living and working at the time, on the show that would become part of the "Scream for me Brazil" release, but I had tonsilitis and couldn't go...it would be awesome to see him do a solo show again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 26, 2023, 06:40:58 AM
I don't care if it's in a 200 person club or 20,000 arena.....

 :tup

I don't want to see even ONE Maiden song that's been played in the last 20+ years either! Only VERY RARE or ALL Bruce solo songs! :metal

I'm still smacking myself almost 30 years later for not seeing him in Toad's Place.  I just didn't - then - have an appreciation for how cool it was to see established, experienced rock and roll players on a small stage in a small club.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 01, 2023, 11:59:24 AM
Well...Maiden has been nominated for the purported Rock & Roll HOF.

https://www.rockhall.com/2023-nominees

Joining them on the list are a shload of non-rock acts (the current top 5 in fan voting marked by asterisks - Maiden is currently 5th in fan voting).

- A Tribe Called Quest (never heard of them but obviously not a rock band)
- Kate Bush (thank you, Stranger Things)
- Sheryl Crow (I guess she's rock, but did she do anything of significance after Tuesday Night Music Club and her self-titled album?)
- Missy Elliott (rap/hip hop)
- Joy Division/New Order (I know virtually nothing about them, but they were big with the majority new wave crowd when I was in high school)
- *Cyndi Lauper (nominating her feels a bit like nominating Men at Work.  HUGE debut album, solid follow-up and...then what?)
- *George Michael (not sure about him)
- *Willie Nelson (not even remotely rock, but practically guaranteed to get it)
- Rage Against the Machine (we'll see if Jann Wenner's personal fellatio band can persuade others)
- *Soundgarden (not sure)
- The Spinners (I know nothing about these early years/legacy acts)
- The White Stripes (I've heard one WS song about a million times, so...???)
- Warren Zevon (all I know is that obnoxious werewolf song)

Hopefully Maiden will carry the momentum from Priest's induction.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2023, 12:17:04 PM
The list certainly makes me think Maiden could make it, but what do I know about this. It's all such a joke.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on February 01, 2023, 12:59:13 PM
A Tribe Called Quest was a VERY influential hip hop group from the 90s. They were one of the early experimental hip hop groups who were going for a much more organic jazz/soul/funk feel to their approach.

Their first two albums are essential experimental hip hop. Love those guys.

I think it’s interesting that one day ahead of this announcement, the RNRHOF released a new definition of what rock n roll is. I don’t have it in front of me, but they tried to make it more about the spirit of pushing boundaries rather than a specific genre.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2023, 01:13:11 PM
I think it’s interesting that one day ahead of this announcement, the RNRHOF released a new definition of what rock n roll is. I don’t have it in front of me, but they tried to make it more about the spirit of pushing boundaries rather than a specific genre.

Yeah, they can't just change a definition to try and cover their ass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 01, 2023, 01:53:02 PM
More Jann Wenner/Rolling Stone hubris.   I'm not sure there's a guy who has done less that actually MATTERS and yet thinks that highly of himself.  What a tool.   As if he can "define" what rock and roll is? That's the whole fucking point of rock and roll!!!  It defies description!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on February 01, 2023, 02:07:38 PM
Well, we know Kate Bush is an absolute lock after last year and Stranger Things.  I'd like to see Maiden get in. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 02, 2023, 01:32:25 AM
I don't think Maiden will make it. Even if they do, I don't think they'll show up to the ceremony. Steve, Bruce and Rod strike me as people that hold tight to their integrity and principles.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 02, 2023, 03:29:35 AM
Steve, Bruce and Rod strike me as people that hold tight to their integrity and principles.

What, the same integrity that encourages them to - what's the phrase Americans use? - ah, yes. The same integrity that encourages them to nickle and dime fans for everything they're worth with pointless 'remasters' of re-releases and all sorts of other tat?

Bruce would chunter a bit but nah, they'd be all over this like a cheap suit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2023, 03:39:43 AM
Steve, Bruce and Rod strike me as people that hold tight to their integrity and principles.

What, the same integrity that encourages them to - what's the phrase Americans use? - ah, yes. The same integrity that encourages them to nickle and dime fans for everything they're worth with pointless 'remasters' of re-releases and all sorts of other tat?

Bruce would chunter a bit but nah, they'd be all over this like a cheap suit.

The record labels remastering and re-releasing albums which is a common practice for all older bands means the band lack integrity?  This seems totally unbalanced and unfair IMO.

I honestly believe they wouldn't attend.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 02, 2023, 04:38:53 AM
"Bruce would write a country album if he thought it would sell" - Steve Harris (admittedly during the middle of the breakdown in their relationship 😁)

Look, I love these guys but don't think for a minute they're not deeply involved in how to best monetise every single avenue available to them.

Edit: I will concede I might still be a little bitter at Bruce for voting for Brexit then whining about the impact of it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 02, 2023, 04:57:17 AM
I don't think the hall of fame is something that would bring them money. Beers, headphones and other genuinely useful things? Sure. Hall of fame? I doubt it.

However, I do not necessarily frame their principles and integrity as always positive characteristics. As much as I love the band, it's odd how much pride they often feature. It's as if a lot of stuff is "below their standards."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 02, 2023, 07:49:58 AM
I don't think Maiden will make it. Even if they do, I don't think they'll show up to the ceremony. Steve, Bruce and Rod strike me as people that hold tight to their integrity and principles.

Not to argue, since I agree that they will hold tight, but I don't think their principles rule out appearing at the HoF should they get in. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
I could see them attending just so Bruce could take a jab at the hall during the ceremony. 

I could also see them declining the whole thing.

Who knows, but as much as I hate the hall and don't really care, there's a part of me that wants them in just to see what they do.  And even if it turned out to be a peaceful acceptance and appearance, I'd still be interested in watching because they are my favorite band. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 02, 2023, 08:49:28 AM
I could see them attending just so Bruce could take a jab at the hall during the ceremony. 

I could also see them declining the whole thing.

Who knows, but as much as I hate the hall and don't really care, there's a part of me that wants them in just to see what they do.  And even if it turned out to be a peaceful acceptance and appearance, I'd still be interested in watching because they are my favorite band.

The Hall prides itself on it's "star-studded, jam finale!" and I would absolutely pay money to see Bruce, Steve, Dave (in particular) tear up a Sheryl Crow song or something like that.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 02, 2023, 09:13:29 AM
I could see them attending just so Bruce could take a jab at the hall during the ceremony. 

What could the HOF do do after all, rush outside to buy some eggs?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 02, 2023, 03:02:39 PM
For what it's worth, when I visited the RRHOF a couple years ago, they had Bruce's jacket from the SIT tour on display donated directly from Bruce to the museum. I don't think there's going to be as much anti-establishment attitude from the Maiden camp once they get in. This has pretty much been the pattern among rockstars with few exceptions: it's cool to rally against the hall until you get in. I doubt they would play at the ceremony though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2023, 03:21:20 PM
"Bruce would write a country album if he thought it would sell" - Steve Harris (admittedly during the middle of the breakdown in their relationship 😁)

Look, I love these guys but don't think for a minute they're not deeply involved in how to best monetise every single avenue available to them.

Edit: I will concede I might still be a little bitter at Bruce for voting for Brexit then whining about the impact of it.

Why wouldn't they though?  I know I would if I were them.  I don't think this is something you can hold against them.  It's their job and if they have avenues to increase their income, you'd be mad not to.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2023, 07:45:34 AM
Adrian Smith turns 66 today!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Bentower on February 27, 2023, 08:45:34 AM
Six! Ty! Six!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 27, 2023, 10:08:00 AM
"Bruce would write a country album if he thought it would sell" - Steve Harris (admittedly during the middle of the breakdown in their relationship 😁)

Look, I love these guys but don't think for a minute they're not deeply involved in how to best monetise every single avenue available to them.

Edit: I will concede I might still be a little bitter at Bruce for voting for Brexit then whining about the impact of it.

Why wouldn't they though?  I know I would if I were them.  I don't think this is something you can hold against them.  It's their job and if they have avenues to increase their income, you'd be mad not to.

And remember; "rock stars" don't have pensions, and insurance plans and all that that we've come to rely on from corporations to make our lives better.  (Granted, IM may now BE that corporation, as they are big enough, but that still mandates that they monetize whatever they can.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 27, 2023, 10:14:53 AM
Do what? Why wouldn't they? There's literally no reason why they wouldn't pay a portion of their salary into a private pension.

These guys are utterly minted and then some... and they want more and more through exploiting every single avenue they can. And yes, I imagine I'd do the same. Chance would be a fine thing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 28, 2023, 01:38:36 PM
I FINALLY received my Iron Maiden stamps in yesterday's mail - nearly two months after I ordered them and a solid five weeks after receiving the shipment confirmation email.

They're really nice, so now I need to figure out where and how I'll display them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2023, 02:25:10 PM
Do what? Why wouldn't they? There's literally no reason why they wouldn't pay a portion of their salary into a private pension.

These guys are utterly minted and then some... and they want more and more through exploiting every single avenue they can. And yes, I imagine I'd do the same. Chance would be a fine thing.

Why hold that against them though or make a big deal out of it then?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 28, 2023, 04:12:25 PM
I FINALLY received my Iron Maiden stamps in yesterday's mail - nearly two months after I ordered them and a solid five weeks after receiving the shipment confirmation email.

They're really nice, so now I need to figure out where and how I'll display them.

That's not fast! I didn't offer them in the end. I might, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 26, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Blaze had a heart attack yesterday.

We sincerely regret to announce that Blaze had a heart attack at home yesterday evening & is now in hospital in a stable condition, awaiting news of further surgery/treatment. He is in good spirits in the circumstances but utterly disappointed to have to postpone our imminent shows due in March & April. Ticket refunds will be available at source but we truly hope you will keep your tickets & make it to the new dates which we will be announcing as soon as they are scheduled.

Regarding shows already booked for June-November this year, we understandably have to wait a short while to see how quick Blaze’s recovery will be, so please stay tuned & meanwhile most importantly we're sure you will join us in wishing him a complete & speedy recovery.

Blaze misses you, cannot wait to regain full health & see you all again.

Every Storm Ends… ‘your heart will heal’

Thank you so much everyone for your understanding & support.
Mark Appleton & Christopher Appleton (management / bookings)


https://www.facebook.com/officialblazebayley
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on March 26, 2023, 03:24:30 PM
Blaze had a heart attack yesterday.

We sincerely regret to announce that Blaze had a heart attack at home yesterday evening & is now in hospital in a stable condition, awaiting news of further surgery/treatment. He is in good spirits in the circumstances but utterly disappointed to have to postpone our imminent shows due in March & April. Ticket refunds will be available at source but we truly hope you will keep your tickets & make it to the new dates which we will be announcing as soon as they are scheduled.

Regarding shows already booked for June-November this year, we understandably have to wait a short while to see how quick Blaze’s recovery will be, so please stay tuned & meanwhile most importantly we're sure you will join us in wishing him a complete & speedy recovery.

Blaze misses you, cannot wait to regain full health & see you all again.

Every Storm Ends… ‘your heart will heal’

Thank you so much everyone for your understanding & support.
Mark Appleton & Christopher Appleton (management / bookings)


https://www.facebook.com/officialblazebayley

That's absolutely AWFUL. Hoping he gets through this. Man, life is so fragile.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 26, 2023, 03:45:52 PM
 :sad:

Hope he can make a full recovery wishing him all the best...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2023, 03:49:08 PM
Oh shit, that's awful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 26, 2023, 06:55:02 PM
Oh shit, that's no good.  He wasn't looking in the greatest shape either, I hope he makes a quick full recovery.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 26, 2023, 07:01:43 PM
Blaze has been through SO MUCH...he lost his job in Maiden, had to struggle to maintain a career (which is finally in good shape), lost his wife to cancer, and now this. It makes me think that his song "The Man Who Would Not Die" is even more fitting now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 26, 2023, 07:27:08 PM
Blaze has been through SO MUCH...he lost his job in Maiden, had to struggle to maintain a career (which is finally in good shape), lost his wife to cancer, and now this. It makes me think that his song "The Man Who Would Not Die" is even more fitting now.

That's still my fav album from him, it rips.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2023, 07:40:10 PM
Blaze has been through SO MUCH...he lost his job in Maiden, had to struggle to maintain a career (which is finally in good shape), lost his wife to cancer, and now this. It makes me think that his song "The Man Who Would Not Die" is even more fitting now.

That's still my fav album from him, it rips.


That's a great album. Personally, I'm partial to Promise & Terror, particularly the suite about his wife.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 26, 2023, 07:41:46 PM
Blaze has been through SO MUCH...he lost his job in Maiden, had to struggle to maintain a career (which is finally in good shape), lost his wife to cancer, and now this. It makes me think that his song "The Man Who Would Not Die" is even more fitting now.

That's still my fav album from him, it rips.


That's a great album. Personally, I'm partial to Promise & Terror, particularly the suite about his wife.

That one grew on me a lot.  At first I didn't get it, I thought it lacked a lot of hooks and melody, but there's some heavy shit on there.  Yeah, that suite at the end is killer.  That whole story with his wife at the time was heartbreaking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on March 26, 2023, 07:45:45 PM
Hope he has a fast recovery, I really enjoyed the two albums he was on with Maiden. Never did check out any of his solo stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2023, 07:56:22 PM
Hope he has a fast recovery, I really enjoyed the two albums he was on with Maiden. Never did check out any of his solo stuff.

Wolfking and I just mentioned two great albums. Start right there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 26, 2023, 07:57:49 PM
Hope he has a fast recovery, I really enjoyed the two albums he was on with Maiden. Never did check out any of his solo stuff.

Wolfking and I just mentioned two great albums. Start right there.

Sillicon Messiah his debut is also fucking brilliant.  Blood and Belief is an underrated one I really love too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on March 26, 2023, 08:00:23 PM
I hope he has a speedy recovery. He always comes across as a cheerful guy even through all the rotten luck he's had over his life/career. Didn't get a fair shake in maiden due to things out of his control and went on to have a very good solo career that flew under the radar without much attention. I enjoy pretty much all of his solo work, especially those first 3 produced by Andy Sneap.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 26, 2023, 08:03:22 PM
I hope he has a speedy recovery. He always comes across as a cheerful guy even through all the rotten luck he's had over his life/career. Didn't get a fair shake in maiden due to things out of his control and went on to have a very good solo career that flew under the radar without much attention. I enjoy pretty much all of his solo work, especially those first 3 produced by Andy Sneap.

He had a solid lineup too on those three which really helped.  John Slater and Steve Wray were a great guitar duo.  Jeff Singer is awesome too.  Nice to hear him back on the last My Dying Bride album too.

Blaze kept a really solid output given the amount of lineup changes he had though, although if that lineup stayed together I wonder if he would have found some more success.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on March 26, 2023, 08:09:27 PM
Definitely awful news. Hope he recovers well for sure!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on March 26, 2023, 08:12:57 PM
I hope he has a speedy recovery. He always comes across as a cheerful guy even through all the rotten luck he's had over his life/career. Didn't get a fair shake in maiden due to things out of his control and went on to have a very good solo career that flew under the radar without much attention. I enjoy pretty much all of his solo work, especially those first 3 produced by Andy Sneap.

He had a solid lineup too on those three which really helped.  John Slater and Steve Wray were a great guitar duo.  Jeff Singer is awesome too.  Nice to hear him back on the last My Dying Bride album too.

Blaze kept a really solid output given the amount of lineup changes he had though, although if that lineup stayed together I wonder if he would have found some more success.

Unfortunately I think that lineup fell apart specifically due to the lack of success. Going through the wiki almost all of the lineup changes were because of "financial difficulties" or just people leaving for most likely better paying gigs. At one point he lost 2 members because they joined Robin Gibb's solo band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 26, 2023, 08:44:02 PM
I hope he has a speedy recovery. He always comes across as a cheerful guy even through all the rotten luck he's had over his life/career. Didn't get a fair shake in maiden due to things out of his control and went on to have a very good solo career that flew under the radar without much attention. I enjoy pretty much all of his solo work, especially those first 3 produced by Andy Sneap.

He had a solid lineup too on those three which really helped.  John Slater and Steve Wray were a great guitar duo.  Jeff Singer is awesome too.  Nice to hear him back on the last My Dying Bride album too.

Blaze kept a really solid output given the amount of lineup changes he had though, although if that lineup stayed together I wonder if he would have found some more success.

Unfortunately I think that lineup fell apart specifically due to the lack of success. Going through the wiki almost all of the lineup changes were because of "financial difficulties" or just people leaving for most likely better paying gigs. At one point he lost 2 members because they joined Robin Gibb's solo band.

No doubt.  I didn't know about the Robin Gibb thing though lol.  it's a shame cause those albums are absolute crackers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 27, 2023, 01:57:24 AM
Damn, that's some terrible news. But if someone's a fighter and a survivor, it's Blaze Bayley.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 27, 2023, 02:53:19 AM
Have always been in the minority but loved and still love X Factor, it speaks to me \m/

And while dig all his solo output if push came to shove I'd take Silicon Messiah over any other followed closely by Tenth Dimension and his most recent War Within Me which was a cracker.  The both Promise and Terror and The Man Who Would Not Die excellent excellent stuff...

The world needs hear more Blaze  :metal

Get well soon mate!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 27, 2023, 05:13:06 AM
Best of wishes for Blaze, the man who would not die  :metal

I agree that life has been tough on him, if someone deserves some peace and serenity, it's him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2023, 08:32:02 AM
Blaze has been through SO MUCH...he lost his job in Maiden, had to struggle to maintain a career (which is finally in good shape), lost his wife to cancer, and now this. It makes me think that his song "The Man Who Would Not Die" is even more fitting now.

I was thinking exactly this when I read the news about this.  Guy  has just had the worst things happen since leaving IM.  Hope he recovers fully and quickly. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 27, 2023, 08:50:52 AM
The thing that strikes me about him, though, is his "I've been so lucky in my life" attitude that comes across both in his music and his interviews. Truly inspiring.

EDIT: I just remembered that I opened a Blaze Bayley thread months ago to discuss his solo work and stuff, but I forgot about it completely. It's also clear that people would more likely check the Iron Maiden thread to talk about Blaze rather than look up if he has his own thread. Kind of makes sense. It's not too bad, I guess.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on March 27, 2023, 11:08:06 AM
Have always been in the minority but loved and still love X Factor, it speaks to me \m/

And while dig all his solo output if push came to shove I'd take Silicon Messiah over any other followed closely by Tenth Dimension and his most recent War Within Me which was a cracker.  The both Promise and Terror and The Man Who Would Not Die excellent excellent stuff...

The world needs hear more Blaze  :metal

Get well soon mate!

X Factor will always be the most underrated Iron Maiden album in my eyes. The darker direction of the music fit Blaze's voice perfectly and I really wish they continued in that direction. Virtual XI sounded like they tried to do a more typical Maiden album and it didn't work as well though I do love some songs from it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on March 27, 2023, 01:18:58 PM
Have always been in the minority but loved and still love X Factor, it speaks to me \m/

And while dig all his solo output if push came to shove I'd take Silicon Messiah over any other followed closely by Tenth Dimension and his most recent War Within Me which was a cracker.  The both Promise and Terror and The Man Who Would Not Die excellent excellent stuff...

The world needs hear more Blaze  :metal

Get well soon mate!

X Factor will always be the most underrated Iron Maiden album in my eyes. The darker direction of the music fit Blaze's voice perfectly and I really wish they continued in that direction. Virtual XI sounded like they tried to do a more typical Maiden album and it didn't work as well though I do love some songs from it.

+1,000,000
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2023, 04:09:43 PM
Most know my opinions on TXF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 28, 2023, 01:00:42 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-iron-maiden-and-ozzy-osbourne-are-rumored-headliners-of-this-years-power-trip-festival (https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-iron-maiden-and-ozzy-osbourne-are-rumored-headliners-of-this-years-power-trip-festival)

Apparently that festival is in CA in October... maybe a Maiden fall US tour???
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 28, 2023, 01:23:12 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-iron-maiden-and-ozzy-osbourne-are-rumored-headliners-of-this-years-power-trip-festival (https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-iron-maiden-and-ozzy-osbourne-are-rumored-headliners-of-this-years-power-trip-festival)

Apparently that festival is in CA in October... maybe a Maiden fall US tour???

Apparently. I can't see Ozzy playing though, honestly. No way he'll make that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 28, 2023, 01:26:03 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-iron-maiden-and-ozzy-osbourne-are-rumored-headliners-of-this-years-power-trip-festival (https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-iron-maiden-and-ozzy-osbourne-are-rumored-headliners-of-this-years-power-trip-festival)

Apparently that festival is in CA in October... maybe a Maiden fall US tour???

Apparently. I can't see Ozzy playing though, honestly. No way he'll make that.

I heard he already wants to take back his retirement  :lol I think he moved back to England, but since he was just living in LA, maybe that's not much of a stretch?  I can see it. Apparently all their socials hinted of it, which is why I shared it since there's some smoke here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 28, 2023, 01:28:06 PM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-iron-maiden-and-ozzy-osbourne-are-rumored-headliners-of-this-years-power-trip-festival (https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-iron-maiden-and-ozzy-osbourne-are-rumored-headliners-of-this-years-power-trip-festival)

Apparently that festival is in CA in October... maybe a Maiden fall US tour???

Apparently. I can't see Ozzy playing though, honestly. No way he'll make that.

I heard he already wants to take back his retirement  :lol I think he moved back to England, but since he was just living in LA, maybe that's not much of a stretch?  I can see it. Apparently all their socials hinted of it, which is why I shared it since there's some smoke here.

Yeah, I just accessed the FB announcement from their site. Must be happening. Still, I'd be amazed if Ozzy actually plays.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on March 28, 2023, 03:40:32 PM
I mean a one off show is far more feasible than doing a full tour in his condition so it's possible......But I'll be surprised if he doesn't cancel.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 28, 2023, 03:42:52 PM
I mean a one off show is far more feasible than doing a full tour in his condition so it's possible......But I'll be surprised if he doesn't cancel.

I agree. But how much are they paying him? Metallica and Iron Maiden cannot be cheap for the promoter.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on March 28, 2023, 03:47:47 PM
I mean a one off show is far more feasible than doing a full tour in his condition so it's possible......But I'll be surprised if he doesn't cancel.

I agree. But how much are they paying him? Metallica and Iron Maiden cannot be cheap for the promoter.


$55.99 per song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 28, 2023, 04:15:58 PM
I mean a one off show is far more feasible than doing a full tour in his condition so it's possible......But I'll be surprised if he doesn't cancel.

I agree. But how much are they paying him? Metallica and Iron Maiden cannot be cheap for the promoter.


$55.99 per song.

Must have a Groupon.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 29, 2023, 08:14:39 AM
I mean a one off show is far more feasible than doing a full tour in his condition so it's possible......But I'll be surprised if he doesn't cancel.

I can see him doing one-offs.  Most touring musicians will tell you, they're not getting paid for the two hours on stage, they're getting paid for the 22 hours OFF stage.  If that's not a problem, I can see him doing an festival set (say, 75 minutes). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 29, 2023, 08:17:47 AM
I mean a one off show is far more feasible than doing a full tour in his condition so it's possible......But I'll be surprised if he doesn't cancel.

I agree. But how much are they paying him? Metallica and Iron Maiden cannot be cheap for the promoter.

That article mentioned previous bands, who are all very big bands.  So I guess they have the money to pay for it all.  I mean, those tickets will sell for those three headliners.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 29, 2023, 09:12:19 AM
I mean a one off show is far more feasible than doing a full tour in his condition so it's possible......But I'll be surprised if he doesn't cancel.

I agree. But how much are they paying him? Metallica and Iron Maiden cannot be cheap for the promoter.

That article mentioned previous bands, who are all very big bands.  So I guess they have the money to pay for it all.  I mean, those tickets will sell for those three headliners.


https://bravewords.com/news/ac-dc-tool-guns-n-roses-rumoured-for-2023-power-trip-festival
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on March 29, 2023, 09:43:29 AM
A guy here at work (who is a few years younger than I am) is talking about wanting to go to this Power Trip thing.  I said it sounds like about the worst thing ever:  being outside, all day, in fucking Indio.  He accused me of being old and not liking fun.   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 29, 2023, 10:20:48 AM
A guy here at work (who is a few years younger than I am) is talking about wanting to go to this Power Trip thing.  I said it sounds like about the worst thing ever:  being outside, all day, in fucking Indio.  He accused me of being old and not liking fun.   :lol

My step son wanted to see Ozzy in the UK on his final tour.  That got cancelled (so far, anyway).  We're kicking this around.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 31, 2023, 06:00:54 AM
Watching En Vivo! the video again, and man is that so friggin' good.    Talk about a band firing on all cylinders; Bruce on "The Talisman" is a master class.   

And I forgot how much Dave played the Les Paul that show!!!  When he and Adrian traded solos on "Coming Home" it was almost religious for me.  You can still tell it's Dave, for sure, but I love that slightly thicker, warmer tone he got through the 'Paul.  I almost wonder if he had gear trouble with his main guitar, since he was clearly not 100% comfortable with the heavier guitar (he also kept looking down at the fretboard more than I remember being usual) and he used it for some of the older songs as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2023, 06:02:03 AM
Was shuffling through some songs with them cranked on the big stereo last night, and Strange World was one of them.  The guitar work in that song is just gorgeous. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 31, 2023, 03:09:05 PM
Watching En Vivo! the video again, and man is that so friggin' good.    Talk about a band firing on all cylinders; Bruce on "The Talisman" is a master class.   

And I forgot how much Dave played the Les Paul that show!!!  When he and Adrian traded solos on "Coming Home" it was almost religious for me.  You can still tell it's Dave, for sure, but I love that slightly thicker, warmer tone he got through the 'Paul.  I almost wonder if he had gear trouble with his main guitar, since he was clearly not 100% comfortable with the heavier guitar (he also kept looking down at the fretboard more than I remember being usual) and he used it for some of the older songs as well.

The Talisman is my favorite Reunion Era track, and Coming Home ain't far behind it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on April 03, 2023, 09:48:19 AM
A guy here at work (who is a few years younger than I am) is talking about wanting to go to this Power Trip thing.  I said it sounds like about the worst thing ever:  being outside, all day, in fucking Indio.  He accused me of being old and not liking fun.   :lol

My step son wanted to see Ozzy in the UK on his final tour.  That got cancelled (so far, anyway).  We're kicking this around.

Wouldn't mind going on Friday and Sunday. Those would be a blast to see. I'm also thinking about going.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 06, 2023, 07:23:52 PM
Blaze is having at least a triple bypass, possibly a quad.

https://bravewords.com/news/blaze-bayley-health-update-former-iron-maiden-frontman-remains-in-good-form-as-he-awaits-heart-surgery

Blaze : heaIth update

We’ve been keeping in regular contact with Blaze & he remains in good form, still awaiting specific news of a date for his heart surgery. He’s still in hospital & is incredibly grateful for all your messages & comments.

Blaze is also so grateful for the support you have given by way of buying merch from our webshop which remains open for business as usual at blazebayleyshop.com

Some of you have asked about making donations instead of buying merch. We would prefer you to buy merch but if you really do want to make a straightforward donation please do so through the official channel by Paypal bbrlshop@gmail.com

Thank you everyone. More news coming as & when.

Mark Appleton & Christopher Appleton (management / bookings)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on April 06, 2023, 08:17:47 PM
A guy here at work (who is a few years younger than I am) is talking about wanting to go to this Power Trip thing.  I said it sounds like about the worst thing ever:  being outside, all day, in fucking Indio.  He accused me of being old and not liking fun.   :lol

Has he ever been to Indio in the summer?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on April 06, 2023, 08:19:51 PM
Man quadruple bypass is rough. Hope he's able to make a full recovery.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 06, 2023, 08:42:49 PM
Jeez, that's indeed going to be a big procedure.  Fingers crossed for him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on April 06, 2023, 08:44:25 PM
Prayers and love to Blaze and his loved ones. ❤
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on April 13, 2023, 10:04:53 PM
Blaze is out of surgery having had a quadruple heart bypass.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 13, 2023, 10:11:06 PM
Thanks for the update
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 14, 2023, 05:59:46 AM
Recover well Blaze!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2023, 08:09:52 AM
This song came on the other day while driving home from work and of course reminded me of Blaze's current condition.  Hopefully the surgery went well and he's now on the road to recovery

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtELziOWYAM-bol?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 14, 2023, 09:54:20 AM
A guy here at work (who is a few years younger than I am) is talking about wanting to go to this Power Trip thing.  I said it sounds like about the worst thing ever:  being outside, all day, in fucking Indio.  He accused me of being old and not liking fun.   :lol

Has he ever been to Indio in the summer?

Yes.  He's one of those maniacs who likes going to Palm Springs...in the summer...and being outside.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on April 14, 2023, 11:24:47 AM
Blaze is in my thoughts! Heal well brother (like he's reading this  :lol).

 :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 15, 2023, 04:54:46 AM
This song came on the other day while driving home from work and of course reminded me of Blaze's current condition.  Hopefully the surgery went well and he's now on the road to recovery

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtELziOWYAM-bol?format=jpg&name=large)

 :metal  Such a good song and album!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 15, 2023, 05:22:09 AM
"In this arena
I, who will not die, won't salute you"

 :metal

Get well soon Blaze!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2023, 08:19:01 AM
Well, they just announced Canada dates before the CA festival... hoping for a full US tour...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on April 21, 2023, 09:14:04 AM
Well, they just announced Canada dates before the CA festival... hoping for a full US tour...
A limited US tour wouldn't surprise me, but I'm definitely interested in one of the Canadaland dates. I dig the hell out of driving around scenic areas when the leaves are changing, and the timing is pretty good for one of those dates. I was already knocking around a PNW trip in the Fall, so here we are.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 21, 2023, 09:22:09 AM
Well, they just announced Canada dates before the CA festival... hoping for a full US tour...
A limited US tour wouldn't surprise me, but I'm definitely interested in one of the Canadaland dates. I dig the hell out of driving around scenic areas when the leaves are changing, and the timing is pretty good for one of those dates. I was already knocking around a PNW trip in the Fall, so here we are.

Are they playing all of Senjutsu?   :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on April 21, 2023, 09:28:12 AM
Well, they just announced Canada dates before the CA festival... hoping for a full US tour...
A limited US tour wouldn't surprise me, but I'm definitely interested in one of the Canadaland dates. I dig the hell out of driving around scenic areas when the leaves are changing, and the timing is pretty good for one of those dates. I was already knocking around a PNW trip in the Fall, so here we are.

Are they playing all of Senjutsu?   :) :) :) :) :) :)
Don't even joke about that.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2023, 09:31:22 AM
They already said this tour is a mix of Senjutsu and Somewhere in Time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on April 21, 2023, 09:43:10 AM
They already said this tour is a mix of Senjutsu and Somewhere in Time.

I remember that announcement; this is that, then? I'm pretty psyched for that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2023, 09:52:34 AM
They already said this tour is a mix of Senjutsu and Somewhere in Time.

I remember that announcement; this is that, then? I'm pretty psyched for that.

Yeah, it's marketed under the same tour of The Future Past

Also, the last Canada date is the 2nd and the CA date is the 6th, that leaves some time for them to hit up the west coast heading down to Indio.  I've got to image a US tour will be announced.  I really just hope Power Trip doesn't have some clause in it that it will be the only US show for IM in 2023 or something which festivals sometimes do. I dont want to miss this tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on April 21, 2023, 10:34:24 AM
They already said this tour is a mix of Senjutsu and Somewhere in Time.

I remember that announcement; this is that, then? I'm pretty psyched for that.

Yeah, it's marketed under the same tour of The Future Past

Also, the last Canada date is the 2nd and the CA date is the 6th, that leaves some time for them to hit up the west coast heading down to Indio.  I've got to image a US tour will be announced.  I really just hope Power Trip doesn't have some clause in it that it will be the only US show for IM in 2023 or something which festivals sometimes do. I dont want to miss this tour.
I actually looked into Power Trip. I have kin in the Desert Cities, so I'd have a great time out there. $600+TTL to stand at the very back of the grounds does not appeal to me. Beyond that it's looking a whole lot more like $1k to get in. Fuck a bunch of that. I'd much rather spend that money on the Canadia+PNW plan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2023, 11:00:44 AM
They already said this tour is a mix of Senjutsu and Somewhere in Time.

I remember that announcement; this is that, then? I'm pretty psyched for that.

Yeah, it's marketed under the same tour of The Future Past

Also, the last Canada date is the 2nd and the CA date is the 6th, that leaves some time for them to hit up the west coast heading down to Indio.  I've got to image a US tour will be announced.  I really just hope Power Trip doesn't have some clause in it that it will be the only US show for IM in 2023 or something which festivals sometimes do. I dont want to miss this tour.
I actually looked into Power Trip. I have kin in the Desert Cities, so I'd have a great time out there. $600+TTL to stand at the very back of the grounds does not appeal to me. Beyond that it's looking a whole lot more like $1k to get in. Fuck a bunch of that. I'd much rather spend that money on the Canadia+PNW plan.

If it's 1k, then it comes down to about 1000/6 = 167 per band which isn't terrible for each of those bands.  I just see the coachella tiktoks from last weekend and it looks absolutely miserable (and the tiktoks themselves say it too).  It really comes to just getting around there and also the cost of food/drink is insane.  If you are camping, good luck showering.  I kind of understand the attraction for coachella for young people, but Power Trip is definitely musically geared towards older dudes.  Nothing about that would seem attractive besides the music IMO.  Having said that, I shouldn't be surprised that I see a billboard for Power Trip on my work commute in NJ outside NYC.  They probably aren't selling as they would expect and it makes sense to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 21, 2023, 11:36:20 AM
Iron Maiden Monopoly!

I may actually pull the trigger on this, although I doubt I'd ever play it.  It looks fucking cool!

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/iron-maiden-monopoly/usmn144656
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on April 21, 2023, 11:42:16 AM
Iron Maiden Monopoly!

I may actually pull the trigger on this, although I doubt I'd ever play it.  It looks fucking cool!

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/iron-maiden-monopoly/usmn144656

Wow, it sure does!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2023, 12:21:40 PM
  I really just hope Power Trip doesn't have some clause in it that it will be the only US show for IM in 2023 or something which festivals sometimes do. I dont want to miss this tour.

I feel like that would've been part of the original billing, no?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2023, 12:28:22 PM
  I really just hope Power Trip doesn't have some clause in it that it will be the only US show for IM in 2023 or something which festivals sometimes do. I dont want to miss this tour.

I feel like that would've been part of the original billing, no?

Yeah maybe because you do usually see "exclusive US performance!" in such cases but I can't say for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on April 21, 2023, 12:33:47 PM
Iron Maiden Monopoly!

I may actually pull the trigger on this, although I doubt I'd ever play it.  It looks fucking cool!

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/iron-maiden-monopoly/usmn144656

I may need that too. lol.

As for the tour, I have to imagine we'll see some more dates, particularly on the West Coast U.S., now that the festival appearance is in the same timeframe as western Canada. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on April 21, 2023, 01:11:52 PM
Iron Maiden Monopoly!

I may actually pull the trigger on this, although I doubt I'd ever play it.  It looks fucking cool!

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/iron-maiden-monopoly/usmn144656

Total failure for not having 22 Acacia Avenue as one of the squares to land on, and the squares just go through their discography in order, which is kind of boring.   :facepalm:   

But the board looks cool at least!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 21, 2023, 01:23:39 PM
Iron Maiden Monopoly!

I may actually pull the trigger on this, although I doubt I'd ever play it.  It looks fucking cool!

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/iron-maiden-monopoly/usmn144656

Total failure for not having 22 Acacia Avenue as one of the squares to land on, and the squares just go through their discography in order, which is kind of boring.   :facepalm:   

But the board looks cool at least!

Someone on another forum noted that doing it other than in chron order would imply someone ranking the albums, which could open up a can of worms, so chron order probably is the best approach.  I just hope the "Get out of Jail Free" card quotes the chorus of The Prisoner.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on April 21, 2023, 01:53:27 PM
Iron Maiden Monopoly!

I may actually pull the trigger on this, although I doubt I'd ever play it.  It looks fucking cool!

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/iron-maiden-monopoly/usmn144656

Total failure for not having 22 Acacia Avenue as one of the squares to land on, and the squares just go through their discography in order, which is kind of boring.   :facepalm:   

But the board looks cool at least!

Someone on another forum noted that doing it other than in chron order would imply someone ranking the albums, which could open up a can of worms, so chron order probably is the best approach.  I just hope the "Get out of Jail Free" card quotes the chorus of The Prisoner.

I'd prefer some sort of ranking.  Boardwalk and Park Place are the most prestigious spots on a board, yet those two spaces here are....Senjutsu and Nights of the Dead?   I'd think you'd have Maiden's two biggest albums on those (and yes, I know that's subjective). 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 21, 2023, 02:54:22 PM
  I really just hope Power Trip doesn't have some clause in it that it will be the only US show for IM in 2023 or something which festivals sometimes do. I dont want to miss this tour.

I feel like that would've been part of the original billing, no?

Yeah maybe because you do usually see "exclusive US performance!" in such cases but I can't say for sure.

I think they may announce more shows in the US this year, but the Power Trip festival is definitely going to be a Southern California exclusive meaning no shows in LA, Anaheim, or San Bernardino around that time.  Oh well.  Hope for better next year if they are still willing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2023, 03:03:48 PM
I would think that on the monopoly board, being sent to jail means you are subjected to listening to the Blaze albums as extra punishment.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 21, 2023, 03:09:49 PM
Iron Maiden Monopoly!

I may actually pull the trigger on this, although I doubt I'd ever play it.  It looks fucking cool!

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/iron-maiden-monopoly/usmn144656

Total failure for not having 22 Acacia Avenue as one of the squares to land on, and the squares just go through their discography in order, which is kind of boring.   :facepalm:   

But the board looks cool at least!

Someone on another forum noted that doing it other than in chron order would imply someone ranking the albums, which could open up a can of worms, so chron order probably is the best approach.  I just hope the "Get out of Jail Free" card quotes the chorus of The Prisoner.

I'd prefer some sort of ranking.  Boardwalk and Park Place are the most prestigious spots on a board, yet those two spaces here are....Senjutsu and Nights of the Dead?   I'd think you'd have Maiden's two biggest albums on those (and yes, I know that's subjective).

All I know is that valuing TXF and VXI higher than Piece of Mind, Powerslave and Beast is just objectively wrong.


I would think that on the monopoly board, being sent to jail means you are subjected to listening to the Blaze albums as extra punishment.

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2023, 03:22:27 PM
I would think that on the monopoly board, being sent to jail means you are subjected to listening to the Blaze albums as extra punishment.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/734b175aafd8354e031662ba06f9f1b9/tenor.gif?itemid=4780152)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 21, 2023, 03:47:15 PM
I would think that on the monopoly board, being sent to jail means you are subjected to listening to the Blaze albums as extra punishment.
I like those albums, but that was funny.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2023, 03:57:21 PM
I would think that on the monopoly board, being sent to jail means you are subjected to listening to the Blaze albums as extra punishment.

 :tdwn
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on April 21, 2023, 05:43:43 PM
I would think that on the monopoly board, being sent to jail means you are subjected to listening to the Blaze albums as extra punishment.
:lol

"Do not pass go! Do not Look to the Eyes of a Stranger!"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2023, 05:52:39 PM
I would think that on the monopoly board, being sent to jail means you are subjected to listening to the Blaze albums as extra punishment.
:lol

"Do not pass go! Do not Look to the Eyes of a Stranger!"

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on April 22, 2023, 01:49:47 AM
Health update, Blaze has been discharged from the hospital now.

"As with our previous update, we are delighted to say that Blaze's surgery seems to have been a success & we're really happy to report that he is now released from hospital & is at home to continue his recovery. Your messages, cards, merch purchases & donations are appreciated more than you may ever realise. As & when Blaze gets stronger he will have further updates & messages for you."
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on April 22, 2023, 02:04:36 AM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on April 22, 2023, 02:57:37 AM
This guy will be back on stage opening the show with The Man who would not die in no time.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2023, 05:50:04 AM
Fuck yes!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 28, 2023, 05:07:54 PM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 28, 2023, 05:29:30 PM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo

Speaking of unlistenable backing tracks....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on April 28, 2023, 08:09:33 PM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo

I enjoyed this hyper speed version, though Tommy's vocals drown out the killer backing track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on April 28, 2023, 09:36:20 PM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo

Speaking of unlistenable backing tracks....

To me the whole thing is horrendous and virtually unlistenable even the vocals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 29, 2023, 05:57:20 AM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo

While this guy is super talented, this just shows what an incredible and unique voice Bruce has.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on April 29, 2023, 05:58:52 AM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo

While this guy is super talented, this just shows what an incredible and unique voice Bruce has.

Yeah, I just threw it it there. It's really hard to hear the song any other way than the original.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 29, 2023, 03:39:57 PM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo

While this guy is super talented, this just shows what an incredible and unique voice Bruce has.

Yeah, I just threw it it there. It's really hard to hear the song any other way than the original.

Don't get me wrong, I've checked out loads from him and most are just amazing.  I guess Maiden are one of those iconic unique bands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on April 29, 2023, 05:15:17 PM
I think that cover is great to be honest, it works for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on April 29, 2023, 05:19:28 PM
I think that cover is great to be honest, it works for me.

I don't think it's bad, it's just a unique studio song for me.  It's one of those magic ones that never reproduces live.  Even Maiden live have never gotten anywhere near the atmosphere and feel of the studio version live.  You can't.  I would love to know how many layers of vocals there are in the chorus.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on April 29, 2023, 08:15:23 PM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo

Speaking of unlistenable backing tracks....

To me the whole thing is horrendous and virtually unlistenable even the vocals.

I turned it off before the vocals started.  All the unnecessary pinch harmonics in the intro reminded me of Zach Wylde, whom I cannot stand - especially when he plays the Rhoads and Lee material.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 29, 2023, 09:43:19 PM
While my biases for this song was high. I still enjoyed his version of the song. It sounds like Majestica, and I don't fault his vocals being in his style. I actually prefer when singers use their own voice, rather than trying to imitate/copy the original vocals.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on April 30, 2023, 02:48:41 AM
While my biases for this song was high.

 :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 30, 2023, 04:19:01 AM
Had no problem with Tommy's cover. His voice, his style and his tribute...end of story.  :P

The original is not sacred ground for me even though they're my childhood heroes but of course hard to beat the nostalgic feeling I get listening to it. This cover just sounds like 99% of all modern metal productions, kinda generic but we all still listen to it with various bands we like so I don't fault him for that. It's all these generic plugins that emulate the same generic crap that so many uses when doing one man projects at home. It's generic but at the same time it works and sounds whatever you might think....solid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 01, 2023, 07:57:27 AM
Tommy Johansson's Friday song today..
Aces High :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatyaop0Sxo

While this guy is super talented, this just shows what an incredible and unique voice Bruce has.

Yeah, I just threw it it there. It's really hard to hear the song any other way than the original.

That's me.   The guy is talented, surely good at what he does, but I'll probably never listen to that again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 01, 2023, 09:03:22 AM
https://youtu.be/aF--clMvNFc

Could have gone in the Queen thread (Brian May) but Bruce just destroys this (in a good way!).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on May 02, 2023, 02:42:18 PM
I think that cover is great to be honest, it works for me.

I don't think it's bad, it's just a unique studio song for me.  It's one of those magic ones that never reproduces live.  Even Maiden live have never gotten anywhere near the atmosphere and feel of the studio version live.  You can't.  I would love to know how many layers of vocals there are in the chorus.

Oh I do agree nothing tops the original, including live Maiden. It is one of the best of its kind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2023, 08:34:41 AM
There's been lots of trying to figure out the setlist for the new tour.

Believe it or not, the tour starts in just 4 days. We'll know on Sunday!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 24, 2023, 08:43:34 AM
I'll be there on Sunday. By the time I get back and have internet access, the set list will already be on the web. I absolutely cannot wait.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 24, 2023, 08:44:10 AM
There's been lots of trying to figure out the setlist for the new tour.

Believe it or not, the tour starts in just 4 days. We'll know on Sunday!!

Yeah, I've seen some fakes on reddit.  We'll know soon enough.  Still bummed we haven't gotten any US dates for this besides the festival.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 24, 2023, 10:46:53 AM
I think U.S. dates will happen. I know these guys can fly in and out as they choose, but it makes zero sense to play just the festival.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on May 24, 2023, 12:35:14 PM
I think they probably would have announced those dates by now. They've also started selling merch with all the dates (including the Canadian dates and the festival) so take that for what you will. North America will prob get a full tour in 2024.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2023, 02:37:27 PM
There's been lots of trying to figure out the setlist for the new tour.

Believe it or not, the tour starts in just 4 days. We'll know on Sunday!!

I'm very excited for the set but know I'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 25, 2023, 07:36:15 AM
If Caught Somewhere, Alexander and Hell on Earth are in there, I’ll be a happy man.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2023, 08:08:55 AM
If Caught Somewhere, Alexander and Hell on Earth are in there, I’ll be a happy man.

Yeah, this will make me very happy.  If somehow The Parchment also made it, I'd be over the top, but I don't expect it to make the cut if those other three also make it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on May 25, 2023, 09:47:47 AM
I'm hoping for the appearance of the mighty Deja Vu!   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2023, 09:49:35 AM
I'm hoping for the appearance of the mighty Deja Vu!   :metal

I've LOVE this, probably more so than Alexander but I see this at effectively 0% chance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2023, 06:06:55 PM
I'll be gutted if The Parchment isn't in there.  I don't like my chances, but I think we are safe when it comes to HOE.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2023, 06:09:04 PM
I'll be gutted if The Parchment isn't in there.  I don't like my chances, but I think we are safe when it comes to HOE.

I think Hell On Earth is more likely.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 25, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
The Parchment is definitely the make-or-break song for me in terms of whether I think this is a good setlist. I put it at a 50-50 chance of being included. Five years ago I would have put the chances much lower, but the revival of For the Greater Good of God and Sign of the Cross makes me believe a bit more in Bruce as setlist creator.

I would be shocked if Hell on Earth isn't in there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2023, 06:10:27 PM
The Parchment is definitely the make-or-break song for me in terms of whether I think this is a good setlist. I put it at a 50-50 chance of being included. Five years ago I would have put the chances much lower, but the revival of For the Greater Good of God and Sign of the Cross makes me believe a bit more in Bruce as setlist creator.

I would be shocked if Hell on Earth isn't in there.

You're not getting BOTH The Parchment and Hell On Earth.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 25, 2023, 06:11:05 PM
In 2018 I would have said "you're not getting two Blaze-era epics."

I think it could happen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on May 25, 2023, 06:25:23 PM
Would be keen for an Aus show regardless but if Hell On Earth is indeed on the setlist there'd be no question  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 25, 2023, 06:41:20 PM
In 2018 I would have said "you're not getting two Blaze-era epics."

I think it could happen.


Just to bolster my point, looking at the tour announcement (https://www.ironmaiden.com/news/article/iron-maiden-announce-first-shows-of-2023-s-the-future-past-tour), Steve is quoted as saying: "It will also be particularly satisfying to finally get to play some of the more epic tracks on Senjutsu, it's been a long wait!" and Rod is quoted as saying: "We know fans want to hear those epic cuts on Senjutsu for the first time live and we think that by combining it with an iconic album like Somewhere In Time it will make for another really special tour for fans old and new!"

To me, this implies a strong chance of there being more than one epic from Senjutsu in the set. I think Hell on Earth is a virtual lock; the band knows how well it's been received. Let's say there's just one other; that could be any of the other ones on the album, but Bruce seems to really like The Parchment. So why couldn't it be that one?

The tour poster at least hints at five SiT songs and five Senjutsu songs (the "Samurai 5 Cyborgs 5" ticker). I think Writing on the Wall comes back, and maybe Stratego, but not the title track. So what are the others? My prediction is Hell on Earth, Days of Future Past and one other epic.

(My prediction for the SiT songs is: Caught Somewhere in Time, Wasted Years, Heaven Can Wait, Stranger in a Strange Land, Alexander the Great.)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2023, 09:09:18 PM
The Parchment is definitely the make-or-break song for me in terms of whether I think this is a good setlist. I put it at a 50-50 chance of being included. Five years ago I would have put the chances much lower, but the revival of For the Greater Good of God and Sign of the Cross makes me believe a bit more in Bruce as setlist creator.

I would be shocked if Hell on Earth isn't in there.

You're not getting BOTH The Parchment and Hell On Earth.

Hmmm.....maybe, however I think there's a chance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 26, 2023, 01:39:42 AM
As much as I love The Parchment now (it used to be my least favorite on the album), I still don't think it will be played. It's way too slow for a live show. If they perform one more epic other than Hell on earth, it will probably be Lost in a lost world. Maybe Death of the Celts. Also, lets not forget there might be a chance they're counting Darkest hour or The Time machine as epics. They're just as long as Phantom and Hallowed.

When it comes to Somewhere in time... Well, Alexander has to be played. It just has to. Period.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on May 26, 2023, 09:26:38 AM
As much as I love The Parchment now (it used to be my least favorite on the album), I still don't think it will be played. It's way too slow for a live show. If they perform one more epic other than Hell on earth, it will probably be Lost in a lost world. Maybe Death of the Celts. Also, lets not forget there might be a chance they're counting Darkest hour or The Time machine as epics. They're just as long as Phantom and Hallowed.

When it comes to Somewhere in time... Well, Alexander has to be played. It just has to. Period.

To be fair, Senjutsu (the track) is even slower than Parchment and it still made it. Of course, it gets title track privileges (and was used in a one-two punch of Senjutsu->Stratego last tour), but considering that Bruce even mentioned the concept of Parchment being played live (outside of the context of a "Senjutsu-only tour", he just said it was one of his favorites in the album and that he liked the idea of getting to take a break in the middle), I wouldn't rule it out.

Definitely agree with Alexander having to be played. Lifting the curse of "we won't play tracks we didn't play in the original tour" would feel so good (maybe it'd give them a confidence boost, like "alright, we CAN work on new arrangements for tracks we didn't play before"). Maybe not, but this is definitely Alexander's time to shine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 26, 2023, 09:46:20 AM
I'm not quoting anyone because I don't want to piss on anyone's parade, but given a choice of any of the epics on Senjitsu, and "Alexander the Great", I'm taking the Senjitsu tunes all day long.  I just don't share the affection for that tune; there are six other tunes on that record I'd much rather hear, maybe seven (I don't like TLOTLDR either, but the twin guitar harmonies in that tune are something to behold).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 26, 2023, 10:07:49 AM
I used to love Alexander.  I think I had it ranked top 5 back when we did the Maiden top 50 thread.  I've since come to realize that it's kind of clunky and doesn't work that well in a lot of respects, so I don't rate it as high as I used to.  But I do still like it and wouldn't mind seeing it live.  I just don't feel like it is a "must see" for me. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 26, 2023, 10:42:52 AM
I agree that it is not their most well-constructed epic, and I don't think the vocal parts are as great as they could have been. But the incredible stuff Adrian does on that song is enough to make up for that and put it in my top 15 Maiden songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2023, 11:16:20 AM
I used to love Alexander.  I think I had it ranked top 5 back when we did the Maiden top 50 thread.  I've since come to realize that it's kind of clunky and doesn't work that well in a lot of respects, so I don't rate it as high as I used to.  But I do still like it and wouldn't mind seeing it live. I just don't feel like it is a "must see" for me.

Only really "must see" because they haven't played it before IMO.  I agree, it's a good song but it's really nothing special and kind of clunky. I'd rather The Parchment if it some how became up to playing one of those two epics.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 26, 2023, 12:43:24 PM
And Alexander did some really cool stuff.
And then he marched and marched to somewhere else.
And then he did some other cool stuff.
He was a really cool dude!

Alexander kicked some guy's ass.
And then he went and fought another guy.
And then he kicked the first guys ass again.
Whoa...what a great guy he was.

The lyrics are clunky, but it's a really cool song, and, IMO, its miles and miles better than anything I've heard from Senjutsu.  Everything I've heard has been a massive snoozefest.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on May 26, 2023, 04:28:21 PM
The lyrics to Alexander the Great are awesome when you are playing trivial pursuit and you get the question: "Where did Alexander the Great die?"

I'm pretty sceptical it will be played but it would be awesome even though I think the SiT songs will be the obvious ones..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 26, 2023, 04:46:55 PM
...IMO, its miles and miles better than anything I've heard from Senjutsu.  Everything I've heard has been a massive snoozefest.

Outside of the band and Stadler, I don't think there are many that love that album.  (and Stadler's team will probably have an estimated 5 fewer players once the next album drops)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2023, 04:51:42 PM
Senjutsu, for the most part, is awesome.


I never thought ATG was all that special. The lyrics are clunky and the ending is flat out awkward. Seemed like a forced epic from the beginning.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 26, 2023, 05:45:56 PM
...IMO, its miles and miles better than anything I've heard from Senjutsu.  Everything I've heard has been a massive snoozefest.

Outside of the band and Stadler, I don't think there are many that love that album.  (and Stadler's team will probably have an estimated 5 fewer players once the next album drops)

I love, love, love Senjutsu. It’s a close challenger to AMOLAD for #2 on my Iron Maiden list now, behind only TFF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2023, 06:03:56 PM
Senjutsu is top tier Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on May 26, 2023, 06:04:58 PM
Love Senjutsu. Thought it was a pretty big step up from Book of Souls which was still a solid album as well. It definitely got a mixed response among fans from what I've seen, but overall it has a lot of people who love it too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2023, 06:11:04 AM
And Alexander did some really cool stuff.
And then he marched and marched to somewhere else.
And then he did some other cool stuff.
He was a really cool dude!

Alexander kicked some guy's ass.
And then he went and fought another guy.
And then he kicked the first guys ass again.
Whoa...what a great guy he was.

The lyrics are clunky, but it's a really cool song, and, IMO, its miles and miles better than anything I've heard from Senjutsu.  Everything I've heard has been a massive snoozefest.

You forgot "oh, and then he died" as the very last line, 'cause the song had to be wrapped up somehow  :lol yeah, nice song (even though I can live without it) but the lyrics are kinda meh. Hell on Earth is way better  :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2023, 06:12:00 AM
I still need to circle back to both Book of Souls and Senjutsu, but both are so muddy-sounding that I haven't been in a hurry, as it is difficult to listen to hard rock and metal in particular when the levels are so maxed out.  It gives me ear fatigue really quickly and it all becomes a blur.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on May 27, 2023, 06:25:58 AM
I still need to circle back to both Book of Souls and Senjutsu, but both are so muddy-sounding that I haven't been in a hurry, as it is difficult to listen to hard rock and metal in particular when the levels are so maxed out.  It gives me ear fatigue really quickly and it all becomes a blur.

This is one of the primary reasons I don’t revisit those albums very often. Such a shame because a killer production would definitely elevate some of those tunes.

I would love to see how well the guys could pull off the instrumental section of ATG.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Duetsch Dream Dates on May 27, 2023, 08:23:36 AM
For myself, AMOLAD is the only re-union album that I still listen to all the way through.  I like bits and pieces of the others, but I'm not a big fan of the longer songs they've done the last few albums.

There's something different about that album, it seems like it wasn't as promoted as the rest of the reunion era albums, especially the last 3.  I have vague memories of video exclusives of "Different World" or maybe "Benjamin Breeg" on Amazon (def ahead of the game at the time), but not much else.  I think it was only 4-5 months between recording and the release date, which is also also remarkable these days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2023, 08:42:04 AM
IM's socials said all of the tour dates for 2023 have been announced.  Hopefully 2024 brings the tour to the US.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2023, 09:02:54 AM
The lyrics to Alexander the Great are awesome when you are playing trivial pursuit and you get the question: "Where did Alexander the Great die?"

I'm pretty sceptical it will be played but it would be awesome even though I think the SiT songs will be the obvious ones..

I believe he died of fever in Babylon.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2023, 09:49:59 AM
I really liked Senjutsu when it came out.  It was one of those albums that grabbed me immediately.  But then it quickly fell off a cliff.  Not much staying power there.  I mean, I don't mind it.  But it just feels like "middle of the road" Maiden to me--something to enjoy for the moment, and then probably mostly forget once the new album drops.  Feels very similar to the Neal Morse album that dropped around the same time.  Good and catchy in the short term, but probably forgettable in the long run.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on May 27, 2023, 12:51:57 PM
+1 still love Senjutsu!

Dig the title track but love Stratego, no question Days Of Future Past could've been lifted off a Bruce solo album but whatever, loves it! Even now The Parchment continues to reveal more on each listen but my biggest shouts go to the excellent Lost In A Lost World and the essential Hell On Earth!

Wear the shirt proudly (I got the Archer version very swish it is too).  Am FAR from done with this album  :metal


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 27, 2023, 01:03:20 PM
I really liked Senjutsu when it came out.  It was one of those albums that grabbed me immediately.  But then it quickly fell off a cliff.  Not much staying power there.  I mean, I don't mind it.  But it just feels like "middle of the road" Maiden to me--something to enjoy for the moment, and then probably mostly forget once the new album drops.  Feels very similar to the Neal Morse album that dropped around the same time.  Good and catchy in the short term, but probably forgettable in the long run.

These are my top two albums of the 2020s so far :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 28, 2023, 01:00:51 AM
Stepping in to fling some more Senjutsu love about the place.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2023, 01:10:06 PM
Iron Maiden is about to hit the stage.
Blade Runner Theme playing..

This guy is streaming it..
https://www.facebook.com/ironmaidenfc.gr


Caught Somewhere In Time!!!!!!!!!



EDIT: The stream is down..


This one's up!
https://youtu.be/2B2ZPd3Ftlo

Stranger In A Strange Land!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2023, 01:20:30 PM
The band said on their Facebook they'll be posting the setlist tonight.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2023, 01:26:40 PM
Now that link is down..

They were going into the Writing On The Wall.

Dammit..we're going out to dinner! :censored


Days Of Future Past
Time Machine
The Prisoner
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 28, 2023, 01:40:36 PM
Well, it's really nice the setlist until now and Maiden picked one from Senjutsu that I'm really happy and kind of not expecting (not one of Steve's epics).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 28, 2023, 02:24:09 PM
There's apart of me that would've loved to see this tour indoors so the light show get the proper condition.

I just heard the intro to Alexander the great live, I can now die in peace.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 28, 2023, 02:27:45 PM
Besides CSIT and ATG, they always find a way to disappoint with the setlists IMO.  Poor representation of Senjutsu IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2023, 02:36:09 PM
As happy as I am to see them pull out new songs and old songs, there's still some head scratchers here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 28, 2023, 02:51:48 PM
Based on what I've seen, I have no complaints about the non-Senjutsu songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 28, 2023, 02:57:50 PM
Besides CSIT and ATG, they always find a way to disappoint with the setlists IMO.  Poor representation of Senjutsu IMO.

SPOILERS BELOW:



I agree that this was not a great set of choices from the album. They chose IMO the weakest song (The Time Machine) and did not include the strongest (The Parchment). I think Death of the Celts should be cool live, though.

That said, I'm glad they brought out the three great ones from SiT—CSiT, SiaSL and Alexander. And The Prisoner is so much better of a choice than many of the 80s staples that they've played a billion times. Glad they're doing it rather than the eleven thousandth playing of TNotB or 2MtM.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on May 28, 2023, 04:11:12 PM
Just watching a clip of CSiT, Bruce butchers the first verse, I guess it has been a while since it has been played live.....

As for the set list, as far as an always played live song goes I would prefer Hallowed to FoTD so I am most disappointed that it misses out. The SiT songs are the predictable ones, not that keen on the overall Senjutsu representation.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2023, 04:57:28 PM
Here's the full setlist..

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/2023/arena-stozice-ljubljana-slovenia-33b97885.html
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 28, 2023, 05:10:34 PM
At least HOE is in there, that and CSIT along with ATG (even though I'm not that thrilled by it) makes the set a win.  I guess it's the most varied set for a long time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 28, 2023, 05:36:51 PM
Despite personal preferences (for my taste, I would trade only one song from SiT and one from Senjutsu for others of each album), I think it's a great and a fair setlist with only 3/15 songs that never leave their repertoire. All Maiden guys are more than 60's and I really appreciate the effort. And the visuals look amazing!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 28, 2023, 05:41:32 PM
I think it’s a very good setlist; the absence of my top choice stings, but I’m really glad they’re mixing it up and that they’re playing all my SiT favorites, which haven’t been played in decades (or ever).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 28, 2023, 05:47:10 PM
I guess it's no surprise DOTC was included.  I mean, Clansman has been a bit of a staple since Bruce's reform so it's an easy swap.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2023, 06:38:05 PM
Interesting set list. I love seeing all of those Somewhere in Time songs, but Run to the Hills, The Number of the Beast and Hallowed... all not in there?  Wow, that is sure to cause a stir.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 28, 2023, 06:50:36 PM
Interesting set list. I love seeing all of those Somewhere in Time songs, but Run to the Hills, The Number of the Beast and Hallowed... all not in there?  Wow, that is sure to cause a stir.

I'm totally fine with omitting Hills and Beast.  I'd rather they dropped FOTD for Hallowed though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 28, 2023, 07:08:31 PM
Interesting set list. I love seeing all of those Somewhere in Time songs, but Run to the Hills, The Number of the Beast and Hallowed... all not in there?  Wow, that is sure to cause a stir.

The stir it is causing with me is that I would kill to see this show. SIT is my favorite album of theirs and that would be a fantastic show. Hoping for some US dates at some point.

No Darkest Hour is a bit of a letdown. Only real complaint here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 28, 2023, 07:39:53 PM
I don’t get all the disappointment for the Senjustu tracks. You got 2 epics and a couple of the shorter songs as well. More than satisfied by the SiT tracks. And excellent setlist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 28, 2023, 07:44:32 PM
I don’t get all the disappointment for the Senjustu tracks. You got 2 epics and a couple of the shorter songs as well. More than satisfied by the SiT tracks. And excellent setlist.

I commented before HOE was announced.  It's my love for The Parchment that has caused my saltiness.  I think The Time Machine is one of the weakest on the album too, same with WOTW.

I do think HCW was an opportunity to play SOM, DJV, or Runner but seeing the 5 songs represented from that album, it's definitely solid.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on May 28, 2023, 08:12:39 PM
I love it - they really changed things up and are only playing a handful of non SiT/Senjutsu songs.  Kudos to them for delivering a really unique set!  It was fun to follow along with their Facebook account this afternoon while grilling out and seeing what songs were popping up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 28, 2023, 09:59:17 PM
I don’t get all the disappointment for the Senjustu tracks. You got 2 epics and a couple of the shorter songs as well. More than satisfied by the SiT tracks. And excellent setlist.

I commented before HOE was announced.  It's my love for The Parchment that has caused my saltiness.  I think The Time Machine is one of the weakest on the album too, same with WOTW.

I do think HCW was an opportunity to play SOM, DJV, or Runner but seeing the 5 songs represented from that album, it's definitely solid.

I’m with you on The Parchment, obviously. And agree on The Time Machine being the weakest song on the album. I love Writing, though, and had that one priced in, anyway.

The SiT tracks are exactly the five I knew it would be, Loneliness and Deja Vu were never going to happen—they weren’t regularly played on the SiT tour and they aren’t nearly popular enough to get the unique Alexander treatment. My preference would be to trade HCW for Sea of Madness, but I didn’t expect that at all given the relative popularity. They did get four of my five favorites, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on May 28, 2023, 11:57:08 PM
I commented before HOE was announced.  It's my love for The Parchment that has caused my saltiness.  I think The Time Machine is one of the weakest on the album too, same with WOTW.
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Don't dislike either in fact there's nothing I can't listen to Senjutsu rules but do agree 100% regards WOTW and TTMachine.beong the weakest.  Would personally trade TTM for Lost In A Lost World but happily take The Parchment instead  ;D

Otherwise agree with Grappler this is an outstanding effort from the band and if they do bring this to Australia (and I do hope for this setlist not a watered down version) then am not wanting to miss it. 

This is the type of focused setlist I have been wanting to see from them for years :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on May 29, 2023, 01:16:32 AM
Alexander The Great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnbqhjX483U
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2023, 05:20:09 AM
Alexander The Great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnbqhjX483U

A bit rusty but great to see.  That 7/8 section was always going to be tricky.  I'm sure Adrian will improve.  Dave ripped the shit out of his solo though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on May 29, 2023, 06:55:27 AM
Alexander The Great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnbqhjX483U

That was really cool, some hiccups notwithstanding. I've always loved the first half of that song alot, 2nd half is good too just kinda has a different vibe after that start.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 29, 2023, 11:38:37 AM
About CSIT, I think Maiden should start playing the song right after the guitar harmonies at the beginning. In fact, I think they should play the song from the beginning. Anyway, I think it would be much better if the band started playing at least when all the instrumentation starts. I know it was like that on the SIT tour, but I still think it's really weird, I don't like it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 29, 2023, 12:16:42 PM
I think the beginning is a guitar synth, and that’s why they don’t play it onstage? Someone correct me if I’m wrong, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on May 29, 2023, 12:27:30 PM
I don't know for sure, but the guitar tones (synth or not) seem the same from the intro to when the band really begins to play, but that could be an explanation.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2023, 02:05:16 PM
The melodies from the start of the song are guitars just laced with a lot of synth.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on May 29, 2023, 07:45:19 PM
A little more Senjutsu love today...

Was playing the album again and I gotta say the one song that had me hitting the repeat button was Stratego.  Those melodies and chorus just sublime Maiden about my only complaint is wish the song ended by returning to those singalongs again but anyway...

Really hope as moving forward they include this in the current setlist because it's a banger! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 29, 2023, 07:49:31 PM
Yeah, I'd easily take Stratego over WOTW.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 30, 2023, 08:16:06 AM
I haven't read the comments here, but I have to say, I'm very happy with the setlist. Lots of stuff I haven't seen before. Really hoping a full U.S. tour happens this fall.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2023, 08:21:16 AM
Yeah, I'd easily take Stratego over WOTW.

WOTW was good live, and so was Stratego. I'm actually shocked Stratego didn't stay on the setlist as a short and punchy song, and I really enjoyed it a lot more live than on the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on May 30, 2023, 08:48:13 AM
It was a great show indeed. Hell on earth was my personal highlight, but history was written with Alexander. Good choices both with SiT and Senjutsu songs. The band was rusty in spots, bit that's the first night of the tour for you. The visual aspects were great as well, I loved all of it overall.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 30, 2023, 01:01:45 PM
I love ATG so hearing that live would be awesome for me but even if you don't care that much that they included it in the setlist. One cannot simply ignore the historic fact that Maiden has actually included a song so long awaited into their setlist for the first time. History was indeed written 5/28/23 and I for one think it's bloody awesome. I don't even care about the rest of the setlist or even how they performed it, it's just awesome.

Up the irons!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 30, 2023, 01:49:55 PM
Respect, to all those that are jazzed by this, I well and truly am happy that you're happy.  Seriously.


But, I'm entitled to my opinion, and this notion that the plane of the universe changed because Iron Maiden played a song that the fans complained about, and that they hadn't done before... well, I don't know. I just don't think it's THAT big a deal. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2023, 01:55:15 PM
I think it's a pretty big deal in the Maiden world, but not so much in the general music world.  It's just a weird thing that IM did, whether purposely or just how the card fell, so changing that pattern so late in their career, to me, is a big deal.  It just continues to show how IM are an awesome band that does continue to evolve.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 30, 2023, 02:19:24 PM
Regardless of fan opinion, it's neat that they did play the song and it's the "epic" from the album this tour is based off. I see that song same as how they did Seventh Son and Rime of The Ancient Mariner from their respective albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 30, 2023, 02:25:29 PM
In a way i've waited since I became a fan in 92-93 so I mean it's not rocketscience to imagine why it's a big deal for some people.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2023, 02:34:28 PM
I just honestly never actually expected them to play it, even with the teases (until this tour was announced, then it became a legit reality).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 30, 2023, 02:44:51 PM
I just honestly never actually expected them to play it, even with the teases (until this tour was announced, then it became a legit reality).

Me either.

I mainly want to see this tour, not because of ATG (I don't really care for it), but for the entire set design and the other songs. I personally would've loved to hear Sea of Madness.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 30, 2023, 02:57:08 PM
Respect, to all those that are jazzed by this, I well and truly am happy that you're happy.  Seriously.


But, I'm entitled to my opinion, and this notion that the plane of the universe changed because Iron Maiden played a song that the fans complained about, and that they hadn't done before... well, I don't know. I just don't think it's THAT big a deal.

I think what's significant about it is that for a very long time people thought they would never play it. They had this undeclared and maybe only informal policy of never reviving a song that didn't get played when it first came out, and that always seemed to close the door on it forever. It's remarkable that they were convinced to do it.

I also think it's significant that they actually listened to the internet fan chatter about the popularity of that song and acted on it. They've never been a band that has engaged much with that kind of thing, so this is a significant new step. It feels more unexpected and dramatic than, like, Dream Theater finally playing Space Dye Vest, because Dream Theater has always been far more openly engaged with the online fanbase.

Now that they're listening (at least a little bit), I would like the Maiden internet fan world to start asking them to do their own version of YtseJam Records/Lost Not Forgotten Archives please.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 30, 2023, 03:11:04 PM
Respect, to all those that are jazzed by this, I well and truly am happy that you're happy.  Seriously.


But, I'm entitled to my opinion, and this notion that the plane of the universe changed because Iron Maiden played a song that the fans complained about, and that they hadn't done before... well, I don't know. I just don't think it's THAT big a deal.

I think what's significant about it is that for a very long time people thought they would never play it. They had this undeclared and maybe only informal policy of never reviving a song that didn't get played when it first came out, and that always seemed to close the door on it forever. It's remarkable that they were convinced to do it.

I also think it's significant that they actually listened to the internet fan chatter about the popularity of that song and acted on it. They've never been a band that has engaged much with that kind of thing, so this is a significant new step. It feels more unexpected and dramatic than, like, Dream Theater finally playing Space Dye Vest, because Dream Theater has always been far more openly engaged with the online fanbase.

I suppose; I mean, from that angle, it is significant, because I firmly believe that was Bruce's doing, not Steve's, and it just goes to show that this is as much Bruce's band now than it is Steve's.  Not unheard of - both the Beatles and Led Zeppelin went through shifts in power in their band (The Beatles through Revolver were John's band, The Beatles from Sgt. Pepper through Abbey Road were Paul's band; Zeppelin from I through Presence were Page's band, Zeppelin from Presence through, well, today, are Plant's band) - but interesting nonetheless.   I guess, maybe, I just wish the song were more deserving of the mythology.   

And look, I'm not really questioning that fans want to hear that song.  I get that; and if you love the song, I'm really excited for you to finally hear it (again, being sincere).  I just object to a little of the hyperbole, is all.  I just don't see this as being "as historic", say, as Bruce and H coming back.   Or keeping three guitars.   Or the what I'd call pretty darn novel touring cycle thing of doing an album tour, then a hits/package/theme tour, then an album tour, then a hits/package/theme tour, etc.  THAT'S historic, and I wish bands like Kiss, and DT and Marillion would do some of THAT magic. 

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Now that they're listening (at least a little bit), I would like the Maiden internet fan world to start asking them to do their own version of YtseJam Records/Lost Not Forgotten Archives please.

Yes, please!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 30, 2023, 03:26:34 PM
There are so many Maiden shows that become available on every tour as it is. Plus, they're releasing live albums from every tour as it is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 30, 2023, 03:35:32 PM
To me, what I think is so significant about this, besides them featuring a good chunk of SiT (my favorite album) and AtG in particular, is the fact that they have FINALLY dropped several of the overplayed songs that have appeared in (almost) every single setlist since first released. For instance, the ONLY song from NotB is The Prisoner - not the title track, RttH or HBTN, nor 2MtM or Sanctuary - how freakin' awesome is that? Yes, FotD, IM and The Trooper are still there, but I wouldn't expect them to drop every fan favorite.

So I hope this sets a precedent for Maiden setlists going forward: include a few old favorites (and change them up!), but dig out many more of the great treasures deep in the heart of their catalog. Not sure if I'll manage to see them next year, but if not, I certainly hope there will be a live album from this tour, which I'll be first in line to pick up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 30, 2023, 03:37:29 PM
To me, what I think is so significant about this, besides them featuring a good chunk of SiT (my favorite album) and AtG in particular, is the fact that they have FINALLY dropped several of the overplayed songs that have appeared in (almost) every single setlist since first released. For instance, the ONLY song from NotB is The Prisoner - not the title track, RttH or HBTN, nor 2MtM or Sanctuary - how freakin' awesome is that? Yes, FotD, IM and The Trooper are still there, but I wouldn't expect them to drop every fan favorite.

So I hope this sets a precedent for Maiden setlists going forward: include a few old favorites (and change them up!), but dig out many more of the great treasures deep in the heart of their catalog. Not sure if I'll manage to see them next year, but if not, I certainly hope there will be a live album from this tour, which I'll be first in line to pick up.

Agree with Scotty. It's a big deal to eliminate a lot of overplayed stuff and play that chunk of SiT. Many of us have been wanting that for decades, and we finally got it. Fingers crossed an extensive U.S. tour is booked.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 30, 2023, 03:47:30 PM
Yeah, that's a good point by Scotty. Alexander is the big news item because it's never been played, but to me CSiT and Stranger are almost as big a deal. Those would all be top 10 songs from the 80s era for me, and they haven't been played in decades. Glad to see stuff like NotB and 2MtM put aside to make room for those songs.


I suppose; I mean, from that angle, it is significant, because I firmly believe that was Bruce's doing, not Steve's, and it just goes to show that this is as much Bruce's band now than it is Steve's.  Not unheard of - both the Beatles and Led Zeppelin went through shifts in power in their band (The Beatles through Revolver were John's band, The Beatles from Sgt. Pepper through Abbey Road were Paul's band; Zeppelin from I through Presence were Page's band, Zeppelin from Presence through, well, today, are Plant's band) - but interesting nonetheless.   I guess, maybe, I just wish the song were more deserving of the mythology.   

This is interesting point. I've found it strange how little we've heard directly from Steve lately. Almost all the publicity for Senjutsu was done by Bruce and Nicko, even though I think Steve wrote more of the album by volume than he has in a while.

I've been a little surprised by the current on DTF of people saying they don't really like Alexander (or at least don't love it). I get why one wouldn't, but to me it's a gem if only for the amazing stuff Adrian plays on it.


There are so many Maiden shows that become available on every tour as it is. Plus, they're releasing live albums from every tour as it is.

I hear you, but to me Maiden is such a live band that I would value them releasing more material. Even assuming that there are no recordings left from the 80s worth releasing, there's a lot of stuff since the reunion that hasn't been covered that I would love to see released: a show from the AMOLAD tour, a 2005 Early Days show, a 2012 Maiden England show, a 2022 Legacy show with the Senjutsu songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Pappy on May 30, 2023, 04:02:48 PM
Looking at the setlist I am extremely happy for hardcore Maiden fans. Lot of long since played songs and debuts. I consider myself a pretty decent sized Maiden fan. I've seen them a few times but SiT and Senjutsu are the two records I haven't really ever touched so there were legit songs that I didn't know existed. Days of Future Past, Time Machine, Celts, Hell on Earth. I couldn't tell you a single note from any of those.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on May 30, 2023, 04:06:21 PM
Always wanted to hear AtG live. Always loved that tune. CSiT is a special highlight for me as well. If they keep this all as is, I'll be a very happy Maiden fan.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on May 30, 2023, 06:49:32 PM
This thread inspired me to listen to a bit of SiT today, which is an album I rank toward the bottom of IM's discography, along with SSoaSS. Today's listen reminded me there is something about the sound of the album that I don't care for. So, people who know more about audio and album production than me (which is just about everyone here), is there something unique to these albums that may account for this, or is it something I am imagining?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 30, 2023, 06:53:44 PM
They're both kind of synth-y.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 30, 2023, 06:54:11 PM
Respect, to all those that are jazzed by this, I well and truly am happy that you're happy.  Seriously.


But, I'm entitled to my opinion, and this notion that the plane of the universe changed because Iron Maiden played a song that the fans complained about, and that they hadn't done before... well, I don't know. I just don't think it's THAT big a deal.

I think what's significant about it is that for a very long time people thought they would never play it. They had this undeclared and maybe only informal policy of never reviving a song that didn't get played when it first came out, and that always seemed to close the door on it forever. It's remarkable that they were convinced to do it.

I also think it's significant that they actually listened to the internet fan chatter about the popularity of that song and acted on it. They've never been a band that has engaged much with that kind of thing, so this is a significant new step. It feels more unexpected and dramatic than, like, Dream Theater finally playing Space Dye Vest, because Dream Theater has always been far more openly engaged with the online fanbase.

I suppose; I mean, from that angle, it is significant, because I firmly believe that was Bruce's doing, not Steve's, and it just goes to show that this is as much Bruce's band now than it is Steve's.  Not unheard of - both the Beatles and Led Zeppelin went through shifts in power in their band (The Beatles through Revolver were John's band, The Beatles from Sgt. Pepper through Abbey Road were Paul's band; Zeppelin from I through Presence were Page's band, Zeppelin from Presence through, well, today, are Plant's band) - but interesting nonetheless.   I guess, maybe, I just wish the song were more deserving of the mythology.   

And look, I'm not really questioning that fans want to hear that song.  I get that; and if you love the song, I'm really excited for you to finally hear it (again, being sincere).  I just object to a little of the hyperbole, is all.  I just don't see this as being "as historic", say, as Bruce and H coming back.   Or keeping three guitars.   Or the what I'd call pretty darn novel touring cycle thing of doing an album tour, then a hits/package/theme tour, then an album tour, then a hits/package/theme tour, etc.  THAT'S historic, and I wish bands like Kiss, and DT and Marillion would do some of THAT magic. 

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Now that they're listening (at least a little bit), I would like the Maiden internet fan world to start asking them to do their own version of YtseJam Records/Lost Not Forgotten Archives please.

Yes, please!

I don't know about this.  I think Steve is still ultimately the boss and gets the final say with everything the band does, however I think he just knows the power Bruce holds and he needs him.  He has no choice but to let Bruce be such a driving force in the band and the drawcard Bruce is and has become, I don't think he has a problem with that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 30, 2023, 07:02:21 PM
  I think Steve is still ultimately the boss and gets the final say with everything the band does, however I think he just knows the power Bruce holds and he needs him.  He has no choice but to let Bruce be such a driving force in the band and the drawcard Bruce is and has become, I don't think he has a problem with that.

I agree.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 30, 2023, 07:05:00 PM
So, to me, I'm happiest about finally hearing Caught Somewhere In Time on the new tour. It's one of my favorite Iron Maiden songs (Top 5). I think having the third guitar really helps this song. That line when they hit the stage sounds so much better with a low end harmony than any of the recordings from the 86/87 tour. It really never sounded right.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 30, 2023, 08:10:13 PM
Also, thinking about Alexander The Great...I'm not saying it's the greatest Maiden epic or song ever, but it is pretty damned good. Ends a bit clunky.
I never understood them playing Rime on the original Somewhere On Tour. Why not play the current epic off the current album?

Watching the both of the live performances, it really fits in with modern Maiden. I think it's great to play such a rare song (actually never before). So that's cool. It doesn't make the song any greater, but it is cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on May 30, 2023, 08:21:15 PM
Also, thinking about Alexander The Great...I'm not saying it's the greatest Maiden epic or song ever, but it is pretty damned good. Ends a bit clunky.
I never understood them playing Rime on the original Somewhere On Tour. Why not play the current epic off the current album?

Watching the both of the live performances, it really fits in with modern Maiden. I think it's great to play such a rare song (actually never before). So that's cool. It doesn't make the song any greater, but it is cool.

That's one of the biggest factors surrounding the whole thing not being played until now I would have thought?  That plus the band glossing over questions about it over the years and I think even Adrian saying once they couldn't play it because he couldn't remember his parts of something.  Or Nicko said that possibly?  I think the whole aura around the song and the band avoiding it was how much the band simply ignored it and factors around it, plus not getting played on the album tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Lupton on May 30, 2023, 08:56:34 PM
This thread inspired me to listen to a bit of SiT today, which is an album I rank toward the bottom of IM's discography, along with SSoaSS. Today's listen reminded me there is something about the sound of the album that I don't care for. So, people who know more about audio and album production than me (which is just about everyone here), is there something unique to these albums that may account for this, or is it something I am imagining?

To me all the guitars on SiT sound like they are using Tom Scholz Rockman tone. Always thought is was a very similar guitar tone to Boston's Third Stage.  However, I don't actually know anything about the production of these records so someone else may know better?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on May 30, 2023, 11:49:23 PM
Even though they are a band who tends to overdo it on the live releases, I think they just made the next live release a must buy by including it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on May 31, 2023, 12:33:48 AM
This thread inspired me to listen to a bit of SiT today, which is an album I rank toward the bottom of IM's discography, along with SSoaSS. Today's listen reminded me there is something about the sound of the album that I don't care for. So, people who know more about audio and album production than me (which is just about everyone here), is there something unique to these albums that may account for this, or is it something I am imagining?

To me all the guitars on SiT sound like they are using Tom Scholz Rockman tone. Always thought is was a very similar guitar tone to Boston's Third Stage.  However, I don't actually know anything about the production of these records so someone else may know better?

I really adore the sound of the record and I think I asked the same a while back. Not sure what made it, though.

There are some synths there, of course, but they seem very much like single note washes underneath the usual arrangements in general, and never stick out much to me.

The Rockman was famously used for Angus's tone in AC/DC. Not sure about IM. I think I read that there was some sort of double mic placement or something on SiT that meant the guitars had two layers recorded and together they produced a subtle chorus-like effect but I could be dreaming.

Both SiT and SSOASS have very unique sounds to these ears. The guitar tone on the latter very unusual. Not sure I've ever heard anything like it and it may have been Gallien Kruger (spelling?) amps or something.

Either way, I think both those albums have some of the all time greatest production on them.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2023, 07:27:24 AM
Also, thinking about Alexander The Great...I'm not saying it's the greatest Maiden epic or song ever, but it is pretty damned good. Ends a bit clunky.
I never understood them playing Rime on the original Somewhere On Tour. Why not play the current epic off the current album?

Watching the both of the live performances, it really fits in with modern Maiden. I think it's great to play such a rare song (actually never before). So that's cool. It doesn't make the song any greater, but it is cool.

That's one of the biggest factors surrounding the whole thing not being played until now I would have thought?  That plus the band glossing over questions about it over the years and I think even Adrian saying once they couldn't play it because he couldn't remember his parts of something.  Or Nicko said that possibly?  I think the whole aura around the song and the band avoiding it was how much the band simply ignored it and factors around it, plus not getting played on the album tour.

I get WHY it's got the mystique it does.   And there's a part of me that is glad they're not adhering to sort of arbitrary rules about what they "can" or "can't" play.   I just don't quite get the degree of this mystique.  Are we now going to get the same sort of "fan push" for "Prodigal Son"?   It was never played before; it's the epic on that album.  Why not that one? 

As for Bruce and Steve, yes, I think the buck still stops with Steve, but I think we've got a sort of division of responsibility.  There was a magazine - I'll see if I can find it; it might even be the fan club newsletter - where they talk about this. Steve has the music and the studio side of things and Bruce has the live and stage side of things.   No one is going to be able to convince Steve to do something he doesn't want to do, but I think he's a lot more willing to not be a "control freak" as in days past. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2023, 07:31:54 AM
I don't think that Prodigl Son is an example of Epic in the classic Iron Maiden sense, in that at some point they starting stretching things out AND making a big deal about it. Starting with To Tame A Land and even moreso with Rime Of The Ancient Mariner. For some reason, they skipped over Alexander the Great, and then played Seventh Son.

I think there's a genuine curiousness as to..why? And it gets bantied about and talked about and it grows from there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2023, 07:34:59 AM
I don't think that Prodigl Son is an example of Epic in the classic Iron Maiden sense, in that at some point they starting stretching things out AND making a big deal about it. Starting with To Tame A Land and even moreso with Rime Of The Ancient Mariner. For some reason, they skipped over Alexander the Great, and then played Seventh Son.

I think there's a genuine curiousness as to..why? And it gets bantied about and talked about and it grows from there.

But we KNOW why.  It blows!   :) :)

(I'm kidding! I'm kidding!)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2023, 08:16:13 AM
Are we now going to get the same sort of "fan push" for "Prodigal Son"?   It was never played before; it's the epic on that album.  Why not that one? 

Funny enough, I was refreshing setlist.fm during the show to see the updates live and someone had put Prodigal Son on the set and I was pretty sure it was bogus at the time, but I had to go check other places to confirm that it was bs because that would have been incredibly if they went that deep  :lol

But I think, to answer your question, people generally wanted to see Alexander The Great live, I never hear people asking for Prodigal Son (I'd gladly enjoy it though).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on May 31, 2023, 11:21:38 AM
To me it's amazing how Maiden always seem to approach the line of surprising greatness, but never really go far across it. They pick their theme, they give a little fanfare within it, and then be as generic as possible with the rest of the set.

So this set is based around Somewhere in Time and the new album. Not going to worry about the new stuff, didn't really care what they played from that.

Alexander the Great is an amazing historic inclusion for the band, but I don't know how you effectively hit the theme without including that and opening the show with Caught Somewhere in Time. Given the theme, neither is surprising, and frankly neither are better tracks on the album.

To me, the only thing that's both surprising and better than both of these songs is Stranger in a Strange Land.

Then take away the new stuff and the selections that they seemingly have to include, your Trooper, Iron Maiden, and Fear of the Dark.

What's left is one cool choice in The Prisoner. The rest? Can I Play with Madness, ugh, fucking why again. Heaven Can Wait, yay, glad they brought out the worst track from the album yet again because Steve has a boner for it. Wasted Years I at least understand, it's an amazing short song that fans love. But even that has gotten plenty of play. No Sea of Madness, Deja-Vu, or Loneliness is just highly unfortunate as this was the one chance for those again, just like with Alexander at all. Swap out Madness and Heaven Can Wait with any of those two and you have a truly surprising set from Maiden.

But once again they give juuuuust enough to make some noise without really digging all that deep. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 31, 2023, 11:31:04 AM
They achieved surprising greatness in 2006 and audiences hated it. So they stopped doing that forever. The best I expect now is a compromise between hits and deep cuts that leans more in favor of deep cuts, and this setlist is one of the best they've done by that metric.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2023, 11:32:25 AM
To me it's amazing how Maiden always seem to approach the line of surprising greatness, but never really go far across it. They pick their theme, they give a little fanfare within it, and then be as generic as possible with the rest of the set.

So this set is based around Somewhere in Time and the new album. Not going to worry about the new stuff, didn't really care what they played from that.

Alexander the Great is an amazing historic inclusion for the band, but I don't know how you effectively hit the theme without including that and opening the show with Caught Somewhere in Time. Given the theme, neither is surprising, and frankly neither are better tracks on the album.

To me, the only thing that's both surprising and better than both of these songs is Stranger in a Strange Land.

Then take away the new stuff and the selections that they seemingly have to include, your Trooper, Iron Maiden, and Fear of the Dark.

What's left is one cool choice in The Prisoner. The rest? Can I Play with Madness, ugh, fucking why again. Heaven Can Wait, yay, glad they brought out the worst track from the album yet again because Steve has a boner for it. Wasted Years I at least understand, it's an amazing short song that fans love. But even that has gotten plenty of play. No Sea of Madness, Deja-Vu, or Loneliness is just highly unfortunate as this was the one chance for those again, just like with Alexander at all. Swap out Madness and Heaven Can Wait with any of those two and you have a truly surprising set from Maiden.

But once again they give juuuuust enough to make some noise without really digging all that deep. 

I think they deserve a bit more credit than that.  For still including Trooper, Iron Maiden, and Fear of the Dark they also dropped The Number of the Beast, Run to the Hills, and Hallowed Be Thy Name. I think that's kind of a wash and honestly better than expected for dropping classics. 

While I would have loved to see Loneliness or Deja Vu (I've never been too high on Sea of Madness) those were likely never even considered. The fans asking for those songs are few and far between even if I am one them.

What I will agree with completely is the inclusion of Can I Play With Madness.  I don't see how that fits with the current theme and even if it hasn't been played in 9 years, it has been played to death.  This is the biggest head scratcher of the set to me. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 31, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
While I would have loved to see Loneliness or Deja Vu (I've never been too high on Sea of Madness) those were likely never even considered. The fans asking for those songs are few and far between even if I am one them.

Yeah, I'm a die-hard Maiden fan and I have very little interest in hearing Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner or Deja Vu live.

One of my big takeaways from the last few days of this thread is that people have widely varying opinions on Somewhere in Time. I've seen a lot of love for songs I think are meh (see the above two) and a lot of mehing for songs I love (Alexander the Great). I'd be interested in seeing everyone's ranking of SiT songs. Here's mine:

1. Alexander the Great
2. Caught Somewhere in Time
3. Stranger in a Strange Land
4. Sea of Madness
5. Wasted Years
6. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
7. Heaven Can Wait
8. Deja Vu

There's a substantial gap between the top four and Wasted Years, and a bigger gap between Wasted Years and the bottom three.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2023, 12:17:36 PM
And look, let's not ignore the plain fact:  I saw the Legacy tour in Hartford - Cram was there, so he can either vouch or call bullshit (and there's a full high-def video of the show on Youtube if you want to see it) - and despite the fanfare for the stage, despite the "Sign Of The Cross" being played, despite the full-size fighter plane over the audience, despite all that......  The highlight of the set in terms of audience participation and enthusiasm was The Number Of The Fucking Beast.   That place went to another level when that song was played.  The place was SHAKING.

If I'm on stage, and I'm playing the same songs night after night, I want the ones that bring the energy back to me.  I want the ones that I can tangibly tell are connecting to the crowd.  I want the ones that bring, to steal Nick's words, greatness. 

That ain't "Alexander The Great". 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 31, 2023, 12:20:56 PM
I'll vouch that that was the case at the show I went to (also eastern U.S.). Sign of the Cross was the highlight of the show for me, but I don't think it was for any of the people around me.


That ain't "Alexander The Great". 

It ain't, but it even more ain't Deja Vu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2023, 12:31:46 PM
1. Stranger in a Strange Land
2. Caught Somewhere in Time
3. Deja Vu
4. Heaven Can Wait
5. Alexander The Great
6. Sea of Madness
7. Wasted Years
8. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2023, 12:32:34 PM
That ain't "Alexander The Great". 

It ain't, but it even more ain't Deja Vu.

HAHA!!! :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on May 31, 2023, 12:40:42 PM
The questions I have are: (in a Jerry Seinfeld voice)

1) Can you play with madness? Has that been decided yet? And if you could play with madness, what would you play?

2) How lonely is the long distance runner? Has anyone asked?  And more importantly, how do you know if the runner is, in fact, lonely? Maybe they're running to get away from everyone and want to be lonely!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on May 31, 2023, 12:45:32 PM
1. Deja Vu
2. Stranger in a Strange Land
3. Sea of Madness
4. Wasted Years
5. Caught Somewhere in Time
6. Alexander the Great (I love it, the intro is amazing, but the others above are better songs to me).
7. Heaven Can Wait
8. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2023, 12:47:00 PM
And look, let's not ignore the plain fact:  I saw the Legacy tour in Hartford - Cram was there, so he can either vouch or call bullshit (and there's a full high-def video of the show on Youtube if you want to see it) - and despite the fanfare for the stage, despite the "Sign Of The Cross" being played, despite the full-size fighter plane over the audience, despite all that......  The highlight of the set in terms of audience participation and enthusiasm was The Number Of The Fucking Beast.   That place went to another level when that song was played.  The place was SHAKING.

If I'm on stage, and I'm playing the same songs night after night, I want the ones that bring the energy back to me.  I want the ones that I can tangibly tell are connecting to the crowd.  I want the ones that bring, to steal Nick's words, greatness. 

That ain't "Alexander The Great".

Oh I agree and that's why I'm a bit shocked they dropped that and brought on Can I Play With Madness?  I mean, I've heard these songs enough and I could drop both and be very happy, but the general audience has a significant amount of people who attend JUST to see this and/or a couple of the other hits. They don't even know ATG, CSiT, or Hell on Earth.

I'm actually slightly worried the crowds will be mad if this tours the US based on what happened in 2006. (I know I won't, but we can't ignore the average fan).

My rankings:

1. Caught Somewhere in Time
2. Deja Vu
3. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
4. Stranger in a Strange Land
5. Wasted Years
6. Alexander the Great
7. Heaven Can Wait
8. Sea of Madness

and I rate SiT as my #2 IM album behind AMoLaD
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 31, 2023, 12:48:34 PM
To me, what I think is so significant about this, besides them featuring a good chunk of SiT (my favorite album) and AtG in particular, is the fact that they have FINALLY dropped several of the overplayed songs that have appeared in (almost) every single setlist since first released. For instance, the ONLY song from NotB is The Prisoner - not the title track, RttH or HBTN, nor 2MtM or Sanctuary - how freakin' awesome is that? Yes, FotD, IM and The Trooper are still there, but I wouldn't expect them to drop every fan favorite.

So I hope this sets a precedent for Maiden setlists going forward: include a few old favorites (and change them up!), but dig out many more of the great treasures deep in the heart of their catalog. Not sure if I'll manage to see them next year, but if not, I certainly hope there will be a live album from this tour, which I'll be first in line to pick up.

I agree...

Ironically, they only get away with this by not touring in America.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 31, 2023, 02:20:07 PM
1) Can you play with madness? Has that been decided yet? And if you could play with madness, what would you play?

I imagine, if you were to ask nicely, yes.  And definitely "Our House" or "House of Fun."


My rankings:

1. Deja Vu
2. Bucephalas's owner
3. Loneliness
4. CSIT
5. Wasted Years
6. Stranger
7. Sea of Madness (not a great song, but miles better than CIPWM)
8. Heaven
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on May 31, 2023, 02:24:06 PM
The questions I have are: (in a Jerry Seinfeld voice)

1) Can you play with madness? Has that been decided yet? And if you could play with madness, what would you play?


 :lol

You’re blind—too blind to see.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2023, 02:32:55 PM
From where I felt about it to how I feel about it now, Heaven Can Wait might be my Iron Maiden song that has aged the best.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2023, 02:38:25 PM
From where I felt about it to how I feel about it now, Heaven Can Wait might be my Iron Maiden song that has aged the best.

HCW has a special place in my heart, but it's just a decent song at best.  I've avoided watching videos so far, does anyone know if they are bringing fans up on stage for it again?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on May 31, 2023, 02:57:08 PM
From where I felt about it to how I feel about it now, Heaven Can Wait might be my Iron Maiden song that has aged the best.

HCW has a special place in my heart, but it's just a decent song at best.  I've avoided watching videos so far, does anyone know if they are bringing fans up on stage for it again?

They did not in Ljubljana (and I assume they haven't changed that).  This video is cued to that part if you want to see what they did:  https://youtu.be/BDgUr53zvqU?t=217
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
From where I felt about it to how I feel about it now, Heaven Can Wait might be my Iron Maiden song that has aged the best.

HCW has a special place in my heart, but it's just a decent song at best.  I've avoided watching videos so far, does anyone know if they are bringing fans up on stage for it again?

They did not in Ljubljana (and I assume they haven't changed that).  This video is cued to that part if you want to see what they did:  https://youtu.be/BDgUr53zvqU?t=217

Thanks, I try to avoid fan videos until I see the show as hard as it is since I don't know if I will see the show. Not surprised they wouldn't bring fans on given how untrustworthy people are and social media these days, but it certainly would be cool to try and put my hand in the hat with the fan club to get that opportunity again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2023, 03:08:10 PM
The questions I have are: (in a Jerry Seinfeld voice)

1) Can you play with madness? Has that been decided yet? And if you could play with madness, what would you play?

2) How lonely is the long distance runner? Has anyone asked?  And more importantly, how do you know if the runner is, in fact, lonely? Maybe they're running to get away from everyone and want to be lonely!


HAHA  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on May 31, 2023, 04:35:57 PM
And look, let's not ignore the plain fact:  I saw the Legacy tour in Hartford - Cram was there, so he can either vouch or call bullshit (and there's a full high-def video of the show on Youtube if you want to see it) - and despite the fanfare for the stage, despite the "Sign Of The Cross" being played, despite the full-size fighter plane over the audience, despite all that......  The highlight of the set in terms of audience participation and enthusiasm was The Number Of The Fucking Beast.   That place went to another level when that song was played.  The place was SHAKING.

If I'm on stage, and I'm playing the same songs night after night, I want the ones that bring the energy back to me.  I want the ones that I can tangibly tell are connecting to the crowd.  I want the ones that bring, to steal Nick's words, greatness. 

That ain't "Alexander The Great".

While I agree with all this in principle, I am not sure how you can say this aint Alexander the Great, unless you have been in the crowd for these first couple of shows and experienced it with the audience? (I am assuming you haven't). So I think when we all get the chance, hopefully to do this then we can judge whether our memories of experiencing NoTB live (multiple times for me) is a better experience. I'm sure you are probably right but I personally would like to judge it for myself from the crowd.

For example, I have only seen Maiden play Rime of the Ancient Mariner once in person and it was the best and biggest received song of the whole gig. Just awesome. Alexander could be the same? (ie an epic song that is rarely played)

My SiT rankings:

1. Sea of Madness
2. Caught Somewhere in Time
3. Alexander the Great
4. Stranger in a Strange Land
5. Loneliness
6. Wasted Years
7. Deja Vu
8. Heaven Can Wait
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Skeever on June 01, 2023, 07:04:43 AM
Also, thinking about Alexander The Great...I'm not saying it's the greatest Maiden epic or song ever, but it is pretty damned good. Ends a bit clunky.
I never understood them playing Rime on the original Somewhere On Tour. Why not play the current epic off the current album?

Watching the both of the live performances, it really fits in with modern Maiden. I think it's great to play such a rare song (actually never before). So that's cool. It doesn't make the song any greater, but it is cool.

That's one of the biggest factors surrounding the whole thing not being played until now I would have thought?  That plus the band glossing over questions about it over the years and I think even Adrian saying once they couldn't play it because he couldn't remember his parts of something.  Or Nicko said that possibly?  I think the whole aura around the song and the band avoiding it was how much the band simply ignored it and factors around it, plus not getting played on the album tour.

You never know, it could be something within the dynamic of the band. Could be a guy really hates the song, but doesn't want to publicly bash it so they just come up with some other reason not to play it. Artists often have different opinions on their own work than the public. According to Wiki, Alex Lifeson couldn't even listen to Permanent Waves after the recorded it because he hated it so much. Then he warmed up to it when it became successful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Duetsch Dream Dates on June 01, 2023, 07:20:42 AM
The into to Loneliness (before the drums kick in) and the first part of the bridge is awesome, but there is super prime cheese factor throughout most of the song.  Its like the Maiden answer to the Judas Priest motorcycle songs (except we are running instead of innuendos about engines).

If I ever own a house along the route of a Marathon, I would blast "Loneliness' and "Marathon" by Rush on loop outside my house the entire race.  Also its funny they were both released the same year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2023, 08:54:32 AM
And look, let's not ignore the plain fact:  I saw the Legacy tour in Hartford - Cram was there, so he can either vouch or call bullshit (and there's a full high-def video of the show on Youtube if you want to see it) - and despite the fanfare for the stage, despite the "Sign Of The Cross" being played, despite the full-size fighter plane over the audience, despite all that......  The highlight of the set in terms of audience participation and enthusiasm was The Number Of The Fucking Beast.   That place went to another level when that song was played.  The place was SHAKING.

If I'm on stage, and I'm playing the same songs night after night, I want the ones that bring the energy back to me.  I want the ones that I can tangibly tell are connecting to the crowd.  I want the ones that bring, to steal Nick's words, greatness. 

That ain't "Alexander The Great".

While I agree with all this in principle, I am not sure how you can say this aint Alexander the Great, unless you have been in the crowd for these first couple of shows and experienced it with the audience? (I am assuming you haven't). So I think when we all get the chance, hopefully to do this then we can judge whether our memories of experiencing NoTB live (multiple times for me) is a better experience. I'm sure you are probably right but I personally would like to judge it for myself from the crowd.

For example, I have only seen Maiden play Rime of the Ancient Mariner once in person and it was the best and biggest received song of the whole gig. Just awesome. Alexander could be the same? (ie an epic song that is rarely played)

My SiT rankings:

1. Sea of Madness
2. Caught Somewhere in Time
3. Alexander the Great
4. Stranger in a Strange Land
5. Loneliness
6. Wasted Years
7. Deja Vu
8. Heaven Can Wait

I have no argument with you on this.  If AtG is, then more power to them and it should be in the set, no question.  The AtG line was a throwaway; the real point was, based on too many comments to reference, Maiden is about crowd involvement, and this notion that TNOTB is going to be retired because it's "overplayed" is likely not going to happen for any sustained amount of time.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2023, 09:16:46 AM
TNOTB is not retired.  It’s just sitting out this tour for now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2023, 09:19:07 AM
I don't think anyone said NOTB was going to be "retired."  But as to the comment about crowd energy, AtG definitely had it in the clips I watched.  The audience seemed to really go nuts for it, which is understandable. 

It is interesting though how much they've changed up their end-of-show.  In the reunion era, haven't they almost always done Iron Maiden and a combo of at least two of: NOTB, RTTH, Hallowed, Running Free, and Sanctuary to end their shows?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 01, 2023, 09:44:11 AM
I have no argument with you on this.  If AtG is, then more power to them and it should be in the set, no question.  The AtG line was a throwaway; the real point was, based on too many comments to reference, Maiden is about crowd involvement, and this notion that TNOTB is going to be retired because it's "overplayed" is likely not going to happen for any sustained amount of time.   

Some further thoughts on Stadler's point (warning, this is a very Stadler-425-esque post, so feel free to skip):

It's clear that, at least in the U.S., a substantial number of people at a Maiden concert either don't know or don't care much about 90% of their catalog. These attendees want to hear the big songs: Run to the Hills, The Number of the Beast, The Trooper, Aces High, 2 Minutes to Midnight, Fear of the Dark. They're probably a numerical majority, or at least a substantial enough minority to have a noticeable effect on crowd reaction to each song.

There's also quite likely a substantial number of people who know and like the deeper cuts from the catalog (at least from the 80s), but are just as happy to hear the big hits as they are to hear these. They're just as happy with The Trooper as they are with Caught Somewhere in Time.

Then there are those of us who would really prefer to hear deep cuts over hits—either because we've seen the band enough to be tired of the hits, or because we just prefer the deep cuts (having seen Maiden only twice, but having the preferences that most of you know I have, I put myself in this second category).

I think by all evidence the third category is a substantial minority of concertgoers. It's probably the smallest of the three categories.

So there's a question: Should the third category matter more when it comes to designing a setlist? If so, why?

A couple of plausible reasons why the answer might be yes: (1) People in that category tend to spend more money on the band than others. They're the people who will see every tour, buy every album and Blu-Ray, collect merchandise. The happier you keep them, the more money they're likely to spend. (2) The preferences of people in that category might align most with the preferences of the band. There's a good chance that they are getting tired of Number of the Beast, and would find it more fun to play Stranger in a Strange Land for a change. The presence of those fans rewards the band for their less-acknowledged work that they might feel gets too little attention.

A couple of plausible reasons why the answer might be no: (1) Even if each person in the third category spends more money than the people in the first two categories, the people in the first two categories in aggregate likely spend more than the third does in aggregate. Iron Maiden plays stadiums because of the first two categories. (2) If you play hits, everyone in the venue can follow along. If you play deep cuts, you lose the interest of a substantial portion of the audience, which depresses the live experience. (3) Every Iron Maiden concert is someone's first concert, and something like The Trooper is an experience they will want to have.

I'd say this dynamic is common to all artists that reach a certain scale of popularity. (I don't know exactly where that is, but Dream Theater clearly does not feel the need to play Pull Me Under or Panic Attack every time, so it's probably somewhere between them and Iron Maiden.) And a great many of them take the route of saying: No, while we appreciate the third category, we know who the majority is, and we're going to stick with the hits that get that audience going. And while that's disappointing to me, I understand why they make that choice.

That's why even though Iron Maiden will never make the setlist I would make (unless against all odds Bruce's "small tour playing all of Senjutsu" idea came to pass), I'm happy with what they've been doing for the last decade or so, and especially the last few tours. They're doing a lot more for us third-category fans than they need to or arguably even should if their goal was to make the greatest portion of the audience as happy as possible. They're not treating us like we're the only ones that matter, but they probably shouldn't do that, and I'd argue they are treating us like we matter more than the first category fans, even though we're probably smaller in number. They could probably make more fans happier with the setlist if they pulled Alexander the Great for Number of the Beast and Run to the Hills, but they are choosing the happiness of the smaller number of fans who really care about Alexander the Great (plus probably their own interest in bringing out this song that they have never played before). I think that's a cool thing to do.





It is interesting though how much they've changed up their end-of-show.  In the reunion era, haven't they almost always done Iron Maiden and a combo of at least two of: NOTB, RTTH, Hallowed, Running Free, and Sanctuary to end their shows?

This is a striking feature of the last few tours, but it's not totally unprecedented. On Ed Huntour, BNW Tour, Early Days Tour, AMOLAD Tour, SBiT Tour, TFF Tour and ME2012 Tour, the encores have been all 80s material, largely stuff from NotB and earlier—although there's been some interesting variation in there, such as Moonchild on SBiT.

DoD Tour stands out as an anomaly, with the encore beginning with Journeyman (a very cool choice IMO).

And then on TBoS tour you get Blood Brothers in the encore—unexpected but cool. For LotB '19, it was back to an expected encore: TETMD, HBTN, RttH. But in 2022, suddenly Clansman is in the encore? And now, of course, HoE.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2023, 09:47:27 AM
TNOTB is not retired.  It’s just sitting out this tour for now.
AND
I don't think anyone said NOTB was going to be "retired."  But as to the comment about crowd energy, AtG definitely had it in the clips I watched.  The audience seemed to really go nuts for it, which is understandable. 

I'm not saying it's being retired, but every tour over the last couple years is some variation on "we need to hear other tunes, and not the same old "FotD/HbtN/NotB/IM" quad-fecta at the end".   

My point was just that sitting at my keyboard those tunes may seem overplayed, but they get played for a REASON.  That's all.

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It is interesting though how much they've changed up their end-of-show.  In the reunion era, haven't they almost always done Iron Maiden and a combo of at least two of: NOTB, RTTH, Hallowed, Running Free, and Sanctuary to end their shows?

I know they've done other tours where they've rested each of those (maybe not FotD or IM).   I know they rested Hallowed when there was that legal kerfluffle, about plagiarism.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 01, 2023, 09:55:03 AM
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It is interesting though how much they've changed up their end-of-show.  In the reunion era, haven't they almost always done Iron Maiden and a combo of at least two of: NOTB, RTTH, Hallowed, Running Free, and Sanctuary to end their shows?

I know they've done other tours where they've rested each of those (maybe not FotD or IM).   I know they rested Hallowed when there was that legal kerfluffle, about plagiarism.   



They've rested HBTN a couple of times since 2012. It was not played for the first time on the Maiden England tour, which was before the legal kerfuffle, and also not played on TBoS tour, which I think was the time of the kerfuffle.

To my knowledge, FotD has only rested in the reunion era on The Early Days Tour, when the whole setlist was from the first four albums. And it's almost always played right before Iron Maiden.

Iron Maiden has never and will never rest. It has always been and will always be the last song of the main set. At this point I think of it more as an event than as a piece of music in a concert setlist.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2023, 10:00:47 AM
^^^

To your previous post:

- The Blood Brothers encore was EPIC.  I saw that in Brooklyn and it gave me a new appreciation for that song.

- The DT connection; it IS somewhere in between, and I don't think it's a coincidence that the DT thread here is rife with discussion about declining ticket sales.    They may not play PMU, but they're also not replacing it with something consistent.  There's a LOT of discussion about the setlist, and it's not all positive.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2023, 10:08:31 AM
IM's encores have definitely gotten a nice mix up.  Blood Brothers did work surprisingly well. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on June 01, 2023, 10:17:52 AM
And then on TBoS tour you get Blood Brothers in the encore—unexpected but cool. For LotB '19, it was back to an expected encore: TETMD, HBTN, RttH. But in 2022, suddenly Clansman is in the encore? And now, of course, HoE.

The Legacy tour was built on "themes" going along with the stage dress.  The initial tour legs had the war-themed songs together at the start (Aces High, Where Eagles Dare, 2 Minutes, Clansman, Trooper).

In 2022, the Senjutsu songs opened the show, so the war themed songs were moved to the encore, which is why Clansman appeared there. 
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Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2023, 10:25:14 AM
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It is interesting though how much they've changed up their end-of-show.  In the reunion era, haven't they almost always done Iron Maiden and a combo of at least two of: NOTB, RTTH, Hallowed, Running Free, and Sanctuary to end their shows?

I know they've done other tours where they've rested each of those (maybe not FotD or IM).   I know they rested Hallowed when there was that legal kerfluffle, about plagiarism.

Oh, I know each of them has gotten a rest.  But my point is that they usually have a block of IM+2-4 of the remaining group in rotation, and it is now IM+1, which is different.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on June 01, 2023, 01:34:05 PM
I saw a question on Reddit earlier today that intrigued me...has Iron Maiden ever not played the song Iron Maiden?  Setlist.fm lists about 2,500 concerts for the band and indicates that the song has been played about 2,300 times.  However, there are tons of pre-1980 shows that have no set list, so that accounts for most of the non-plays (and set lists from those days are notoriously unreliable - especially for club bands, which is what Maiden was in the '70s).  I'm guessing the answer is, ultimately, unknowable, but maybe Steve has said something about it in a bio that I've never read.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 01, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
We have bootlegs of a lot of those pre-1980 shows and it seems Iron Maiden is always played. The question is when was that song written, we have bootlegs going back to about 1978 but not much earlier. I would guess since the first show that song was ever played at, it was played every time after. We also know that the theatrics around Eddie that Iron Maiden is a showcase for happened around Dennis Wilcox's time in the band, which began in 1976, so it's possible the song originates around the same time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Pappy on June 02, 2023, 09:34:44 AM
Even though they are a band who tends to overdo it on the live releases, I think they just made the next live release a must buy by including it.

I agree that tend to overdo them but at least each release is has such a unique setlist/tour it doesn't feel like you are buying the same concert over and over.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 02, 2023, 09:54:12 AM
Even though they are a band who tends to overdo it on the live releases, I think they just made the next live release a must buy by including it.

I agree that tend to overdo them but at least each release is has such a unique setlist/tour it doesn't feel like you are buying the same concert over and over.

They definitely make a lot of live albums, but for the most part, I think they are worthy other than the last two which were audio only and neither really stood out.  They needed a video release for the Legacy of the Beast Tour because it was a visual spectacle. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on June 03, 2023, 03:29:43 PM
It occurred to me today that all the people saying “give Senjutsu multiple chances to sink in, it’s amazing” are some of the same people who dismiss a DT album after 1 listen (or no listens in the case of The Astonishing). But after revisiting it a few times I do like about half of it. It’s Maiden so I WANT to like it . . .
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on June 09, 2023, 08:58:23 AM
A message from Blaze Bayley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRS80U23x6Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRS80U23x6Q)

He's looking good and it sounds like he's aiming to be back on stage by the end of the year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 09, 2023, 09:12:06 AM
He definitely looks like he's been through it, but also seems like he's getting his strength back. Good to hear it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: faizoff on June 09, 2023, 09:59:47 AM
Love the guy's energy in that clip. Can't imagine how the recovery must be going after that major heart surgery.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 09, 2023, 04:07:55 PM
I loved that video...he lost a lot of weight, which will definitely help with his recovery.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 09, 2023, 06:16:45 PM
Wow, he's shed a ton of weight, fantastic stuff!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 09, 2023, 11:56:05 PM
A message from Blaze Bayley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRS80U23x6Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRS80U23x6Q)

He's looking good and it sounds like he's aiming to be back on stage by the end of the year.

🤘
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 10, 2023, 06:22:13 PM
Finally got around to watching the video message.

That was tremendous!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 11, 2023, 02:45:33 AM
Wow, he's shed a ton of weight, fantastic stuff!

Indeed. I hope part of it is down to life choices, just for the sake of his wellbeing and longevity. He tours on such a tiny budget, I have found myself wondering what his touring life is like.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on June 17, 2023, 01:37:00 AM
https://www.loudersound.com/news/steve-harris-reveals-the-iron-maiden-deep-cut-hed-like-them-to-play-more-live

That song has always been a big favourite of mine. I'm glad he likes it too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 17, 2023, 05:33:28 AM
Yeah nice call.  Underrated deep cut for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 17, 2023, 05:38:17 AM
I really like that one as well. It was surprisingly high on my list when we did the ranking last year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 17, 2023, 05:56:14 AM
I really like that one as well. It was surprisingly high on my list when we did the ranking last year.

Had it at number 4 on that list. 

Second favourite song off Seventh Son behind Infinite Dreams.  Would love for it to come back to the setlist  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2023, 07:51:51 AM
I'm a bit more surprised that he said they played it live before? Awesome song though, I'd love for them to play it
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 17, 2023, 08:30:20 AM
They didn't. It's just that Steve doesn't remember.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2023, 08:55:23 AM
They didn't. It's just that Steve doesn't remember.  ;D

Was wondering if this is misremembering or if they did play it at like some small show that's not documented somewhere.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Pappy on June 17, 2023, 10:22:52 AM
Maybe it was rehearsed for a tour?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 17, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Would love to see them play that track. And Prodigal Son, too. In fact, I'd love to see them resurrect several of the more rare tracks on Killers which I think is a very underrated album. In particular, I would love to see them break out Genghis Khan, which I think would work really well with 3 guitarists (for those harmonies and underlying rhythm) and give Bruce a mid-show break.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 17, 2023, 04:26:19 PM
Judas Be My Guide thanks 'Arry!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 17, 2023, 05:06:24 PM
I'd love yo see Invaders or Back in the Village live, but I know it won't happen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on June 17, 2023, 05:50:41 PM
Judas Be My Guide thanks 'Arry!

+1
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 19, 2023, 05:10:52 AM
Maybe it was rehearsed for a tour?

That was my thought, as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2023, 05:46:33 AM
They played it on the album. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 19, 2023, 12:31:10 PM
Maybe it was rehearsed for a tour?

That was my thought, as well.
Hmm didn't they admit rehearsing ATG at one point for a previous tour but scrapped it for some reason?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on June 19, 2023, 02:08:24 PM
Love OTGDY and Invaders.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
I remember that before the Legacy of the Beast tour started, there wa rumor that they would play Deja Vu. That would be great as well!!! Maybe they tried it and decided not to play. Rush rehearsed Fly by Night and A Farewell to Kings several times in preparation for their last few tours, but eventually they thought both would be too taxing fpr Geddy to sing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 19, 2023, 04:04:23 PM
Anyone seen a gig on this tour yet or watched any youtube clips? I've watched a number of live clips on youtube and Nicko seems to be really struggling. His fills have nearly disappeared in terms of complexity and timing also appears to be an issue. At one of the gigs in the solo section of Wasted Years, Adrian actually looks over at Nicko a number of times and then cracks it and completely stops playing the high e riff as he can't keep time with the drums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2023, 04:10:03 PM
I haven't dug deep on it, but he's simplifying his parts for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 19, 2023, 04:41:07 PM
I mean, the dude is 71.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2023, 08:41:15 PM
Anyone seen a gig on this tour yet or watched any youtube clips? I've watched a number of live clips on youtube and Nicko seems to be really struggling. His fills have nearly disappeared in terms of complexity and timing also appears to be an issue. At one of the gigs in the solo section of Wasted Years, Adrian actually looks over at Nicko a number of times and then cracks it and completely stops playing the high e riff as he can't keep time with the drums.

This has been going for a while, but it's even MORE pronounced now. I've seen some of the clips, and it does stand out how simplified the drum parts are on this tour. Especially on The Trooper.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 20, 2023, 12:43:33 AM
Anyone seen a gig on this tour yet or watched any youtube clips? I've watched a number of live clips on youtube and Nicko seems to be really struggling. His fills have nearly disappeared in terms of complexity and timing also appears to be an issue. At one of the gigs in the solo section of Wasted Years, Adrian actually looks over at Nicko a number of times and then cracks it and completely stops playing the high e riff as he can't keep time with the drums.

That's interesting. I don't suppose you can recall which show?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 20, 2023, 01:20:27 AM
That happened at the first show I saw in Ljubljana, but I do think it was because of the sound issue they had throughout the show. The rest of the band carried on without a hitch, it's Adrian who's very specific about how he wants his sound.

That being said, Nicko is indeed simplifying his parts. At this point, your age requires you to start compromising some stuff. It might be working out for a couple more years, though. After that, the band either gets someone else on the drums or retires. I'd prefer the second option, it would be dignifying.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 20, 2023, 04:16:02 AM
Anyone seen a gig on this tour yet or watched any youtube clips? I've watched a number of live clips on youtube and Nicko seems to be really struggling. His fills have nearly disappeared in terms of complexity and timing also appears to be an issue. At one of the gigs in the solo section of Wasted Years, Adrian actually looks over at Nicko a number of times and then cracks it and completely stops playing the high e riff as he can't keep time with the drums.

That's interesting. I don't suppose you can recall which show?

Hee: https://youtube.com/shorts/R2yFpWg8MEE?feature=share
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 20, 2023, 06:58:56 AM
Anyone seen a gig on this tour yet or watched any youtube clips? I've watched a number of live clips on youtube and Nicko seems to be really struggling. His fills have nearly disappeared in terms of complexity and timing also appears to be an issue. At one of the gigs in the solo section of Wasted Years, Adrian actually looks over at Nicko a number of times and then cracks it and completely stops playing the high e riff as he can't keep time with the drums.

That's interesting. I don't suppose you can recall which show?

Hee: https://youtube.com/shorts/R2yFpWg8MEE?feature=share

He was looking back but was he really mad at Nicko, specifically? Not saying he wasn't, but it was hard to tell just from that clip.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 20, 2023, 04:52:28 PM
Yeah, I didn't think it was clear cut what he was pissed about.  I didn't think it was at Nicko from first viewing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on June 20, 2023, 04:55:08 PM
Yeah, fair enough. I agree it could have just been an issue with the sound and that he was upset he couldn't hear properly and maybe he was looking back to try and get cues from Nicko to help him but Nicko is buried in drums. So I do now think it wasn't specifically an issue with Nicko's playing.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 21, 2023, 03:43:33 AM
Finally watched it. I am laughing out loud. Adrian, that is how I feel every single day at work, my friend :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2023, 06:02:35 AM
Finally watched it. I am laughing out loud. Adrian, that is how I feel every single day at work, my friend :lol

 :lol  Yeah good call.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on June 21, 2023, 08:41:25 AM
I don't know why but it gets funnier every time I watch it!

It does sound like something weird is going on with the drumming, though?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 21, 2023, 09:06:08 AM
I watched that clip again. It does look like Adrian is turning to Nicko, wondering what's happening. Nicko is changing the tempo throughout, but that's been happening for years now. It's just the nature of their playing, slowing down, speeding up, you can also hear it on the studio albums. Whether or not some band members would prefer to stick to the tempo is a different discussion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on June 21, 2023, 11:00:17 AM
I mean it still looks like a fun show who really cares if Nicko messes up from time to time. If you want an album perfect version you have the album at home.

I feel the same way when people jump on lars every time he's a little bit sloppy. I feel like everybody posting videos to youtube puts too much emphasis on sounding perfect live other than just putting on a fun show. I'll take a fun but imperfect show over a technically perfect but kinda boring show any day.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2023, 06:57:49 PM
I'll have to rewatch it and concentrate on the drums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 21, 2023, 08:40:11 PM
Anyone seen a gig on this tour yet or watched any youtube clips? I've watched a number of live clips on youtube and Nicko seems to be really struggling. His fills have nearly disappeared in terms of complexity and timing also appears to be an issue. At one of the gigs in the solo section of Wasted Years, Adrian actually looks over at Nicko a number of times and then cracks it and completely stops playing the high e riff as he can't keep time with the drums.

Maybe it's time to ditch him and get a new drummer. Since it is obviously not up to the standards of the performance being good.  ::)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 21, 2023, 08:53:15 PM
I think it actually is within the realm of possibilities that we see a different drummer in the near future. Supposedly they’ve had Joe Lazarus (son of Steve Lazarus, who has been long associated with Maiden) on standby in case of emergency. Nicko is the oldest in the band and he has the most physically demanding job, if he’s not feeling up to it he has said that he will step down gracefully. At this point replacing aging members is industry standard and I’m not convinced that Maiden is above it.

At the same time Nicko seems to be improving and it seems to me like some of the choices are deliberate in order to maintain his physical capability through an entire tour. I’ll be curious to hear how things are sounding at the end of the summer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 21, 2023, 09:05:45 PM
I think it actually is within the realm of possibilities that we see a different drummer in the near future. Supposedly they’ve had Joe Lazarus (son of Steve Lazarus, who has been long associated with Maiden) on standby in case of emergency. Nicko is the oldest in the band and he has the most physically demanding job, if he’s not feeling up to it he has said that he will step down gracefully. At this point replacing aging members is industry standard and I’m not convinced that Maiden is above it.

At the same time Nicko seems to be improving and it seems to me like some of the choices are deliberate in order to maintain his physical capability through an entire tour. I’ll be curious to hear how things are sounding at the end of the summer.

I can respect that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 22, 2023, 03:10:24 AM
I go on a limb here but I don't ever see Maiden go on without Nicko, i'm pretty sure the band will be done once one member can't continue no more for various reasons.
I'm pretty sure they've said that in the past.

But of course times might have changed so who knows.

Imagine seeing Maiden live with a 3 piece kit!  :omg: :lol

Phil Collins son Nick plays on a similar kit as his father and he does it superb so I guess it's possible for something like that. There's a few internet Nicko copycats also so that might be a thing.

When you bring on a famous session drummer it will be his type of kit that's on stage and not a Nicko style of kit.
Of course i'm sure Kai Hahto might hounour Nicko and play his kit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 22, 2023, 04:19:59 AM
I've also heard about the young guy being on stand by during the tour in case something happens to Nicko. But hopefully, they're just making sure they're ready in case Nicko cannot finish the tour for whatever reason. However, if they carry on as a band with a different drummer and continue touring and recording with the kid, that would be a different story. I'm having a hard time imagining the band with a new drummer. They've had this line up for 25 years now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2023, 08:10:31 AM
Having standby musicians is nothing new for these older bands with huge tours and money on the line. 

But, I'm really not sure if IM would continue without him (maybe continue a tour, but continue overall?).  I'd probably still go to see them though. For all the IM concerts I've seen, I can't say I've actually seen Nicko a whole lot since he hides behind his set.  If you put someone else there, you may not even notice  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on June 23, 2023, 11:55:27 AM
Yea, I guess I should clarify the guy is on standby probably for insurance reasons. Personally my expectations are that if/when Nicko steps down voluntarily, they will do one more tour after. Mostly just because the rest of the band isn't getting any younger they probably don't have a whole lot of gas left in the tank anyway. But I do think it's pretty likely that we're seeing Nicko's last tour now, arthritis seems to work fast and if he's struggling as much as he is now, that's going to be a real challenge. Honestly kinda reminds me of the last Rush tour, when Alex Lifeson seemed to be in a lot of pain. Even if Peart had wanted to keep going, I'm not sure if Lifeson had more tours in him. We'll see, I'm continually astounded at what Maiden manages to do this late in their career.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: 425 on June 23, 2023, 12:21:58 PM
My hope is that, regardless of whether they continue touring for much longer, they'll continue to put out studio material. I think Bruce said at one point that they considered writing a second album after they finished Senjutsu while Covid kept them from releasing or touring it, and I really wish they'd done it. I just don't think they're anywhere close to tapped out creatively, and I'd like to hear as much as we can get.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on June 26, 2023, 08:07:00 AM
Did I hear right, that Nicko and James LaBrie are working on material for an album and a tour?   :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on June 26, 2023, 11:40:38 AM
I thought for a second that you were serious. Then I remembered the current discussion at the Dream Theater side of the board and put two and two together.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 03, 2023, 04:48:40 PM
Well, look who is up and about and attending a Maiden gig?

https://bravewords.com/news/blaze-bayley-poses-with-fans-at-iron-maiden-concert-in-manchester-photos
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on July 03, 2023, 05:05:09 PM
That's awesome  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 04, 2023, 01:18:27 AM
Imagine casual fans sitting around him having no idea who he is.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 04, 2023, 05:31:16 AM
I was at the Leeds show, and I have to say that while the setlist worked a lot better live than it did on paper (it came across as a Senjutsu themed set with some lesser played 80s classics thrown in) this didn't match with the overall staging, which was very much Somewhere in Time focused. It just didn't make sense having the SiT backdrop with the Samurai Eddie - it left me confused. Several songs were played with the same backdrops - the Wasted Years backdrop for The Time Machine? After the bombast of the last tour, the Spitfire, the Icarus statue and everything, this just seemed like it didn't know what it was trying to be. The whole presentation was very confused, and more than a little disappointing. The music was excellent, of course, the band still have so much energy for their age and all three guitarists seemed to have upped their soloing for this tour.

And there is a special place in hell for whichever idiot decided to close the M621 motorway out of Leeds overnight.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 05, 2023, 08:03:26 AM
I am currently revisiting Senjutsu for the first time in a while. Holy hell, what an album. I'm not sure if Maiden plan on making another record (I don't follow the band that closely), but if not, what a way to go out! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on July 06, 2023, 10:32:46 AM
Well, look who is up and about and attending a Maiden gig?

https://bravewords.com/news/blaze-bayley-poses-with-fans-at-iron-maiden-concert-in-manchester-photos

That guy...everything I have heard about him...the next time he tours the states, and there is a gig within distance, I'm going and buying every piece of merch he has to support him. What a good soul. So awesome he was in the crowd.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 06, 2023, 01:42:35 PM
Well, look who is up and about and attending a Maiden gig?

https://bravewords.com/news/blaze-bayley-poses-with-fans-at-iron-maiden-concert-in-manchester-photos

That guy...everything I have heard about him...the next time he tours the states, and there is a gig within distance, I'm going and buying every piece of merch he has to support him. What a good soul. So awesome he was in the crowd.

Kind of feeling the same way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 06, 2023, 04:10:57 PM
Love him.  All class.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on July 06, 2023, 06:09:03 PM
Love him.  All class.

Thanks man. Love you too.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 06, 2023, 06:54:04 PM
Love him.  All class.

Thanks man. Love you too.  :biggrin:

 :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 07, 2023, 05:10:18 AM
They apparently met up as well, this is always cool to see:

(https://scontent.fbeg4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/358140850_819542132863055_362256448420891952_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&cb=99be929b-3346023f&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=PQ6hjct5XAgAX-AnyLE&_nc_ht=scontent.fbeg4-1.fna&oh=00_AfAeexrWolP-mcekI3JhVnffGAiwj7PhAFxwuWtcjCvOTQ&oe=64ACA5C0)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 07, 2023, 08:00:00 AM
Blaze is looking fantastic after what he just went through. Truly The Man Who Would Not Die. Looking trim as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 07, 2023, 08:41:27 AM
Blaze is looking fantastic after what he just went through. Truly The Man Who Would Not Die. Looking trim as well.

Agreed! Tan, fit.  You'd think he'd look a lot more haggard.  Happy to see it. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2023, 08:44:05 AM
Great story about Blaze recovering and then going to an IM concert.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on July 11, 2023, 06:17:40 PM
I saw them today. Was a great show.

Was hesitant as the setlist wasn't my cup of tea. I am in a very tiny minority that doesn't dig Somewhere in Time as much as most IM albums and was lukewarm on Senjutsu. The good news is that I never made it to the second disc of Senjutsu but Death of the Celts and Hell on Earth are 20 minutes of great IM music, was a joy to see it live. Writing on the Wall was also a great live track. And overall the performance was great. I don't think I will ever really love Somewhere in Time (album), but Alexander was great live. Glad I went!




Also, Blaze indeed looks great in those pictures, always good to see someone glow up after a rough patch.

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Post by: Pappy on July 14, 2023, 09:29:26 PM
I saw them today. Was a great show.

Was hesitant as the setlist wasn't my cup of tea. I am in a very tiny minority that doesn't dig Somewhere in Time as much as most IM albums and was lukewarm on Senjutsu. The good news is that I never made it to the second disc of Senjutsu but Death of the Celts and Hell on Earth are 20 minutes of great IM music, was a joy to see it live. Writing on the Wall was also a great live track. And overall the performance was great. I don't think I will ever really love Somewhere in Time (album), but Alexander was great live. Glad I went!


I have the exact same opinion as you so I've been questioning whether I want to check them out with this setlist. Might reconsider.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 16, 2023, 03:20:36 AM
Here I am back to this thread, which I avoided like the plague 'cause I wanted the setlist to be a surprise.

Of course it's impossible to avoid spoilers, so here's what I knew from YouTube and posts I didn't skip over fast enough over social media:

- CSIT and Stranger as first two songs
- Alex
- Hell on Earth as first encore
- The Trooper being there somewhere

I saw them yesterday in Milan and it was, as always with Iron Maiden, ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. Crappy obscene location and crappy low sounds, but that's another story. I, too, never got the love for Somewhere in Time, of course the album doesn't suck, but personally it's the one of the classic Bruce era I connect the least with, but I loved hearing those songs live, and some for the first time!

Bruce Dickinson was FANTASTIC. I don't know if the two years of not touring because of Covid gave him a much needed rest, and anyway he toured again in 2002, but the guy is INSANE. He was absolutely amazing and NAILED Caught Somewhere in Time, it felt like 1986 - "no, in 1986 he didn't sing this good", quote guy next to me who looked old enough to have been there.

Bruce was in a very good mood, I know that the whole show is scripted but he seemed to really enjoy the atmosphere, the chants and the crowd reaction. Something that couldn't have been scripted, after he spotted a sign with a request: "So, it's your birthday and you want me to kiss you? my fianceè is in the audience somewhere and she's half italian, I can't kiss you"  :lol (and he also made a joke about FIAT, a famous italian brand of cars, before introducing Days of Future Past".

I loved the setlist approach, it was the first time for my best friend and for her maybe I wished they would have played some more classics but for me it was a treat. It's my.... what, 13th? 14th? time I've seen the band, and I heard EIGHT songs I never heard before live (the Senjutsu songs, which is a bit of a cheat since they played Writing on the Wall last tour but I couldn't be there, and the SIT rarities). Also, they dropped ALL of the usual three off Number of the Beast, and honored the album instead with a rarity such as The Prisoner? WOW!!!!

I agree that Time Machine was the weak point of the set. After two classic SIT songs and two new ones, the third one off Senjutsu in a row dragged a bit.

I expected them to play Stratego, I missed out on that one. Can I Play with Madness was another song I would have never guessed. It's funny that Steve is on record about wanting to play Only the Good Die Young. Dude, you're the boss. You're Iron Maiden. You want to play it? play it, who's gonna stop you? Bruce in a fistfight in the unlikely event he passionately hates the song?

Imagine them going all the way with rarities and playing 22 Acacia Avenue instead of The Prisoner, and OTGDY instead of Madness. Not complaining however, I got my rarities and I enjoyed the SIT songs like never before!

I didn't hear such a big roar when Alex started (probably everyone knew already they were playing it), but some parts of the songs got a good reaction. And there's no way around it, like Stadler wrote some pages ago about 666 - no matter what they played, the "massive roar and singalong that shakes the ground" happened for Fear of the Dark and The Trooper. Nothing beat those two songs as far as crowd reaction went.

Pity I'm of average height and I couldn't really see the stage, I barely saw the guys with my own eyes, it was all looking at the screens, my cellphone and stretching out my head and my feet as much as I could. The scenery was lovely, the walking Eddies were great, the giant samurai head during Iron Maiden was f'kin awesome, and the gun fight with Eddie was unexpected and epic  :metal

I'm not a musician and the sound was low anyway, so I couldn't really tell if Nicko played sloppy or if the other guys made some mistakes. If they're not so big that you notice them, I say they play well. I'm sure most musicians make minor mistakes all the time, if you don't notice them, it's like they never happened. Same with Bruce, as I said he was perfect, surprising, amazing, he really used the time machine to travel back in time with his voice. I'm sure some clips off YouTube might show some strain here and there, but we discussed it to death with James LaBrie - if it's good enough when you're there, then it was good. My official and definitive comment about Bruce's performance is that he was amazing and perfect, a 10/10, and if you have a problem with it, come at me, I'll fight you  :biggrin:

Another great show from a great band that I admire more and more for being still so relevant, and never relying on nostalgia. I mean, they did their fair share of nostalgic tours but which other band of their caliber drops completely the staples from their classic album to make room for 5 songs off the latest record? the Legacy of the Beast tour was all kinds of awesome and I still prefer that, but yesterday I was absolutely satisfied. Long live the mighty Iron Maiden, the day they'll retire the world will be a uglier and sadder place  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on July 16, 2023, 04:30:56 AM
That was a fantastic review. I'm pleasantly surprised someone managed to avoid most of the spoilers for almost two months.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ErHaO on July 17, 2023, 06:11:28 AM
I saw them today. Was a great show.

Was hesitant as the setlist wasn't my cup of tea. I am in a very tiny minority that doesn't dig Somewhere in Time as much as most IM albums and was lukewarm on Senjutsu. The good news is that I never made it to the second disc of Senjutsu but Death of the Celts and Hell on Earth are 20 minutes of great IM music, was a joy to see it live. Writing on the Wall was also a great live track. And overall the performance was great. I don't think I will ever really love Somewhere in Time (album), but Alexander was great live. Glad I went!



I have the exact same opinion as you so I've been questioning whether I want to check them out with this setlist. Might reconsider.

I think it is a very good show. And at this point in time, they are still energetic/in good shape. They are at the age where that can (quickly) change, which also helped me make up my mind. Some songs just work better live/with a crowd. I get why people call the Senjutsu tracks I mentioned too long, but especially live I enjoyed the atmosphere and seeing them perform adds to it as well. I was also surprised by Writing on the Wall live, people sung the chorus quite audible. I can't think of a single artist in the game for like 40 years where a new song connects this well live.

Here I am back to this thread, which I avoided like the plague 'cause I wanted the setlist to be a surprise.

Of course it's impossible to avoid spoilers, so here's what I knew from YouTube and posts I didn't skip over fast enough over social media:

- CSIT and Stranger as first two songs
- Alex
- Hell on Earth as first encore
- The Trooper being there somewhere

I saw them yesterday in Milan and it was, as always with Iron Maiden, ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. Crappy obscene location and crappy low sounds, but that's another story. I, too, never got the love for Somewhere in Time, of course the album doesn't suck, but personally it's the one of the classic Bruce era I connect the least with, but I loved hearing those songs live, and some for the first time!

Bruce Dickinson was FANTASTIC. I don't know if the two years of not touring because of Covid gave him a much needed rest, and anyway he toured again in 2002, but the guy is INSANE. He was absolutely amazing and NAILED Caught Somewhere in Time, it felt like 1986 - "no, in 1986 he didn't sing this good", quote guy next to me who looked old enough to have been there.

Bruce was in a very good mood, I know that the whole show is scripted but he seemed to really enjoy the atmosphere, the chants and the crowd reaction. Something that couldn't have been scripted, after he spotted a sign with a request: "So, it's your birthday and you want me to kiss you? my fianceè is in the audience somewhere and she's half italian, I can't kiss you"  :lol (and he also made a joke about FIAT, a famous italian brand of cars, before introducing Days of Future Past".

I loved the setlist approach, it was the first time for my best friend and for her maybe I wished they would have played some more classics but for me it was a treat. It's my.... what, 13th? 14th? time I've seen the band, and I heard EIGHT songs I never heard before live (the Senjutsu songs, which is a bit of a cheat since they played Writing on the Wall last tour but I couldn't be there, and the SIT rarities). Also, they dropped ALL of the usual three off Number of the Beast, and honored the album instead with a rarity such as The Prisoner? WOW!!!!

I agree that Time Machine was the weak point of the set. After two classic SIT songs and two new ones, the third one off Senjutsu in a row dragged a bit.

I expected them to play Stratego, I missed out on that one. Can I Play with Madness was another song I would have never guessed. It's funny that Steve is on record about wanting to play Only the Good Die Young. Dude, you're the boss. You're Iron Maiden. You want to play it? play it, who's gonna stop you? Bruce in a fistfight in the unlikely event he passionately hates the song?

Imagine them going all the way with rarities and playing 22 Acacia Avenue instead of The Prisoner, and OTGDY instead of Madness. Not complaining however, I got my rarities and I enjoyed the SIT songs like never before!

I didn't hear such a big roar when Alex started (probably everyone knew already they were playing it), but some parts of the songs got a good reaction. And there's no way around it, like Stadler wrote some pages ago about 666 - no matter what they played, the "massive roar and singalong that shakes the ground" happened for Fear of the Dark and The Trooper. Nothing beat those two songs as far as crowd reaction went.

Pity I'm of average height and I couldn't really see the stage, I barely saw the guys with my own eyes, it was all looking at the screens, my cellphone and stretching out my head and my feet as much as I could. The scenery was lovely, the walking Eddies were great, the giant samurai head during Iron Maiden was f'kin awesome, and the gun fight with Eddie was unexpected and epic  :metal

I'm not a musician and the sound was low anyway, so I couldn't really tell if Nicko played sloppy or if the other guys made some mistakes. If they're not so big that you notice them, I say they play well. I'm sure most musicians make minor mistakes all the time, if you don't notice them, it's like they never happened. Same with Bruce, as I said he was perfect, surprising, amazing, he really used the time machine to travel back in time with his voice. I'm sure some clips off YouTube might show some strain here and there, but we discussed it to death with James LaBrie - if it's good enough when you're there, then it was good. My official and definitive comment about Bruce's performance is that he was amazing and perfect, a 10/10, and if you have a problem with it, come at me, I'll fight you  :biggrin:

Another great show from a great band that I admire more and more for being still so relevant, and never relying on nostalgia. I mean, they did their fair share of nostalgic tours but which other band of their caliber drops completely the staples from their classic album to make room for 5 songs off the latest record? the Legacy of the Beast tour was all kinds of awesome and I still prefer that, but yesterday I was absolutely satisfied. Long live the mighty Iron Maiden, the day they'll retire the world will be a uglier and sadder place  :metal

Bruce sounds great and is just a fantastic frontman. In Amsterdam he did pick his battles so to say, I think he did the best on the older songs. He was a bit out of breath here and there, but given how lively he is on stage that does not bother me at all. His pitch was overall good/great. Also, his lower older voice works super well with the intro of Fear of the Dark, that was epic.

A comparison of Caught Somewhere in Time:
1986 (proshot): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ59d1_CHoo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ59d1_CHoo)
2023 (phone, not mine): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBn7Bt_nakc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBn7Bt_nakc)

I mean, 37 years later in their 60's that is absolutely great.



I did not hear drum fuckups, but I will admit that I am generally not very sensitive to that, unless it is really bad. The sound in Amsterdam was good, but Ziggodome often had decent/good sound, unlike most large venues. (On a sidenote, my advice for people going to large shows is to pick the last show if there are several dates. Almost always the sound is significantly better).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 17, 2023, 07:12:26 AM
I agree that Time Machine was the weak point of the set. After two classic SIT songs and two new ones, the third one off Senjutsu in a row dragged a bit.

Really? I thought Death of the Celts was the clunker here. Time Machine got everyone jumping, Celts got everyone heading for the toilet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on July 17, 2023, 07:46:34 AM
Yeah, in the faster parts Bruce indeed got people to jump, it's just that way back where I was I didn't feel that much enthusiasm.

Anyway, having seen now live Caught Somewhere in Time, I got a revamped love for the song. Brilliant track and as ErHaO said, to be in their sixties and do it this good, especially Bruce... whoah!

I also agree that The Writing on the Wall went down incredibly well. Death of the Celts was ok I guess, I watched some clips here and there and it seems that Bruce changes the introduction a bit, in Italy he talked about how you can't eraadicate a culture -  you can kill people, even millions of them, but the culture survives, "so this is the failure of the death of the celts".

Oh, fun fact - when Iron Maiden played at Hellfest, at the same time (on a smaller stage of course) the medieval / neofolk band Faun was playing. Their performance was streamed, and I watched it, and at a certain point they showed their stage from behind with a view in the distant back on what was obviously Maiden's stage, and I saw flames coming from it.

I thought "well, it's late in the evening, there are flames... obviously it's The Number of the Beast", so I spent the entire show wondering when The Number of the Beast would be played, only to realize during Hell on Earth that THIS was the song they used flames for  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 21, 2023, 12:47:01 AM
It's a classic but I always laugh at how displeased Steve and Janick looks. "Guys, I don't wanna play clarinett"
Nicko is havin the time of his life playin tuba. Adrian looks so proud with his trumpet.
Dave is as always for obvious reasons  :D
Bruce takes playin the accordion very seriously.

(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aVxzj8d_460s.jpg)
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Post by: Kwyjibo on July 21, 2023, 02:44:25 AM
Hilarious, never saw that before.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 21, 2023, 03:19:45 AM
The Jimmy Krankie Experience?

Fandabbidozie!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on July 21, 2023, 07:07:26 AM
It's a classic but I always laugh at how displeased Steve and Janick looks. "Guys, I don't wanna play clarinett"
Nicko is havin the time of his life playin tuba. Adrian looks so proud with his trumpet.
Dave is as always for obvious reasons  :D
Bruce takes playin the accordion very seriously.

(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aVxzj8d_460s.jpg)

I think Steve is upset because his titties are hanging out.  ;)
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Post by: pg1067 on July 21, 2023, 10:17:57 AM
It's a classic but I always laugh at how displeased Steve and Janick looks. "Guys, I don't wanna play clarinet"

Since his mic will be potted all the way down, we won't hear his constant squeaks.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 21, 2023, 10:35:43 AM
I cut the grass last night and threw on an old t-shirt because it was hot and I knew I'd sweat through what I was wearing.  Long ago, I cut the sleeves off of this shirt and made it a yard-work shirt.  While cutting the grass, I counted and realized that I've had it for 24 years exactly.  I saw the Ed Hunter tour in July 1999.  It's one of two band shirts that I still have from the 1990's.  All of the others that I had are long gone.  I loved that tour, loved that Bruce was back and wore this thing proudly for years until it became too faded and worn out for anything other than housework.

(https://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/styles/shirtview/public/user-36347/tss--9f58ed9cb3ced6c1782a4aa553dcb869.jpg.webp)

(https://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/styles/shirtview/public/user-36347/tss--ce168f413351266a2279b9819797e464.jpg.webp)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2023, 10:38:31 AM
That must have been an awesome tour to see
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on July 21, 2023, 10:56:01 AM
It was incredible.  The best part is that they were playing ballrooms.  If you go see Maiden now, it's an arena or amphitheater.  But to see them in a 5,000 capacity room was so cool.  Bruce sounded amazing and they ripped through a killer set of mostly older songs (plus 3 Blaze era tunes).  What I remember most is being soaked in sweat at the end of the night.  Indoors in July in Chicago, with no air conditioning - someone said the temperature on stage was 112 degrees. 
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Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2023, 12:40:03 PM
Yeah, I think they played at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC for that tour and it would be incredible to see them in that venue
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Post by: TAC on July 21, 2023, 01:06:59 PM
I bought a coffee mug!  :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/DpszM2B.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ejcBfBu.jpg)



It was one of my all time favorite Maiden tours. Even though Boston was one of the shows Adrian missed, it was still an amazing experience to see them in a small theater.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2023, 12:01:31 AM
I cut the grass last night and threw on an old t-shirt because it was hot and I knew I'd sweat through what I was wearing.  Long ago, I cut the sleeves off of this shirt and made it a yard-work shirt.  While cutting the grass, I counted and realized that I've had it for 24 years exactly.  I saw the Ed Hunter tour in July 1999.  It's one of two band shirts that I still have from the 1990's.  All of the others that I had are long gone.  I loved that tour, loved that Bruce was back and wore this thing proudly for years until it became too faded and worn out for anything other than housework.

(https://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/styles/shirtview/public/user-36347/tss--9f58ed9cb3ced6c1782a4aa553dcb869.jpg.webp)

(https://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/styles/shirtview/public/user-36347/tss--ce168f413351266a2279b9819797e464.jpg.webp)
Awesome, that was my first tour seeing Maiden and yea I miss seeing them in indoor arenas. The light and stageshow is more noticable in the dark.
So cool to see and hear Bruce back in the band and of course Adrian.
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Post by: ozzy554 on July 22, 2023, 08:55:55 AM
I don't know what he did to him but Blaze saying that his heart attack felt like an invisible Blackie Lawless was sitting on his chest got a chuckle from me. It's not very often you hear Blaze throw shade at anybody lol.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/former-iron-maiden-singer-blaze-bayley-says-having-heart-attack-at-home-may-have-saved-his-life (https://blabbermouth.net/news/former-iron-maiden-singer-blaze-bayley-says-having-heart-attack-at-home-may-have-saved-his-life)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on July 24, 2023, 05:35:15 AM
 :lol WTF?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 24, 2023, 07:54:58 AM
It was incredible.  The best part is that they were playing ballrooms.  If you go see Maiden now, it's an arena or amphitheater.  But to see them in a 5,000 capacity room was so cool.  Bruce sounded amazing and they ripped through a killer set of mostly older songs (plus 3 Blaze era tunes).  What I remember most is being soaked in sweat at the end of the night.  Indoors in July in Chicago, with no air conditioning - someone said the temperature on stage was 112 degrees.

I was also at that show at the Aragon. It was my first time seeing Maiden and the weather was brutal. All the passed out people lining the back wall of the venue. My wife dropped towards the end. Nice guy on her other side helped me get her back up and hold her up until the show ended. If I remember, it was during the encore. I remember wringing my shirt out when I got back to the car.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 03, 2023, 04:34:30 AM
Holy shit. Back in January Nicko McBrain had a - luckily - minor stroke, which at the moment left him partially paralyzed. He undertook the necessary therapy and now he's, obviously, doing better, but until rehersals back in May the whole band was uncertain about his possibility to play. This has been posted on their official pages (FB and Instagram).

So that's why he was playing not as he used to. It wasn't old age. It was the aftermath of a stroke. We're so lucky to still have all of them in good health, Steve Harris said that every show is precious because everything could end the day after and he's sure right. Let's hope the lads all stay healthy and strong until they all decide it's time to retire. Iron Maiden is still Iron Maiden and I wouldn't want them to end with random session players in replacement of an injured or ill member.
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Post by: nobloodyname on August 03, 2023, 05:11:32 AM
Oh no, poor Nicko.

And there's the explanation for a lot of what people were talking about.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on August 03, 2023, 05:12:38 AM
Wow, I didn't know that. I read his statement on their Instagram account just now. Poor Nicko.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2023, 06:05:56 AM
*waits for DT's message on James*


That definitely explains the simplification of parts and also shows that the band hears the comments.
Nicko's video message is heartwarming. It's amazing as Iron Maiden is this huge business, but other than Bruce, who comes off as kind of uppity and douchey, the other 5 guys come off as so regular and personable. And to me, THAT is their magic.
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Post by: nikatapi on August 03, 2023, 06:16:07 AM
What an adorable guy Nicko is. I hope he stays healthy, and his determination is so inspiring, especially at this age!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2023, 06:19:43 AM
https://youtu.be/2_Do14aSG74

He posted a little video too, obviously before the statement.  What a class act he is.  All the best.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2023, 06:20:23 AM
I have to wonder.. this tour was announced back in October. What would've happened if Nicko couldn't do this summer run?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 03, 2023, 06:27:43 AM
I have to wonder.. this tour was announced back in October. What would've happened if Nicko couldn't do this summer run?

Not that many options:

- Postpone the tour
- Get a replacement
- Retire the band alltogether

They're getting up there with age and while they're not expected to die of old age in a couple of years, they must know that an illness or injury severe enough to end their touring days might be right behind the corner. It's either accept that there might be some stand-ins in the future, just like Judas Priest accepted to go on tour without Tipton, or just quit.

As I said elsewhere, mainly discussing Dream Theater's position that this is their last line-up, it's all too easy to announce to want to quit when the next change happens, only the change arrives and you find out if you really want to, there and then, give up the passion of a lifetime. I'm sure DT more or less mean it, but would John Petrucci end the band literally tomorrow if John Myung gave up and quit? or if Rudess or LaBrie did?

Also, it depends on the band members themselves. Was Glenn Tipton ok with Judas Priest ending because he got Parkinson? apparently not. Would Nicko want to go down in history as the reason Iron Maiden retired or would he urge them to continue?

Also, in Iron Maiden, who is replaceable and who is not? Bruce himself once said that he'd like to pick his replacement if he couldn't sing anymore. Would the band even consider it? No Steve Harris = no Iron Maiden obviously, but what if any of the guitarists would go? they'd still have two. Would Steve want to change the man behind the drums after 40 literal years of being with Nicko?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2023, 06:29:24 AM
I'm asking the questions here! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2023, 06:39:36 AM
Doesn't Nickos son play drums?

Also if Bruce couldn't do it, give Blaze another crack haha.

Imagine Blaze doing something like the Parchment?!  Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2023, 06:40:36 AM
Doesn't Nickos son play drums?

Does he?


Udo's son plays drums in Udo's band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on August 03, 2023, 06:42:22 AM
I like how this whole thing was kept under wraps during the tour, it would be distracting to know about Nicko's state and keep following the concerts. This way, he gave us the best performance possible and then came clean. Kudos to Nicko, he's always been amazing.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2023, 06:42:38 AM
Doesn't Nickos son play drums?

Does he?


Udo's son plays drums in Udo's band.

Yeah, that's cool and what kind of made me think of it.  Could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on August 03, 2023, 06:44:13 AM
Total respect for Nicko and the band for suport him in this difficult moment. If they wanted, it could be easy to immediately find a very good replacement, since there are a lot of great cover/tribute Maiden bands all over the world (and not counting a lot of famous drummers that would more than honoured to play with them anytime...). The simplification of some drum parts in this tour is indeed noticeable, but Nicko is no doubt making an excellent job given the circumstances.  :metal
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Post by: TAC on August 03, 2023, 06:47:58 AM
When I saw the Legacy Of The Beast tour in 2019, to me the most amazing aspect of the show was Nicko. His stamina and precision was incredible. Unbelievable, actually.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 03, 2023, 06:52:02 AM
I like how this whole thing was kept under wraps during the tour, it would be distracting to know about Nicko's state and keep following the concerts. This way, he gave us the best performance possible and then came clean. Kudos to Nicko, he's always been amazing.  :tup

 :hefdaddy
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Post by: Stadler on August 03, 2023, 08:16:07 AM
I have to wonder.. this tour was announced back in October. What would've happened if Nicko couldn't do this summer run?

Not that many options:

- Postpone the tour
- Get a replacement
- Retire the band alltogether

They're getting up there with age and while they're not expected to die of old age in a couple of years, they must know that an illness or injury severe enough to end their touring days might be right behind the corner. It's either accept that there might be some stand-ins in the future, just like Judas Priest accepted to go on tour without Tipton, or just quit.

As I said elsewhere, mainly discussing Dream Theater's position that this is their last line-up, it's all too easy to announce to want to quit when the next change happens, only the change arrives and you find out if you really want to, there and then, give up the passion of a lifetime. I'm sure DT more or less mean it, but would John Petrucci end the band literally tomorrow if John Myung gave up and quit? or if Rudess or LaBrie did?

Also, it depends on the band members themselves. Was Glenn Tipton ok with Judas Priest ending because he got Parkinson? apparently not. Would Nicko want to go down in history as the reason Iron Maiden retired or would he urge them to continue?

Also, in Iron Maiden, who is replaceable and who is not? Bruce himself once said that he'd like to pick his replacement if he couldn't sing anymore. Would the band even consider it? No Steve Harris = no Iron Maiden obviously, but what if any of the guitarists would go? they'd still have two. Would Steve want to change the man behind the drums after 40 literal years of being with Nicko?

I'm not sure that's the case; I would have said before that:
- "No Glenn Tipton = no Judas Priest"
- "No Chris Squire = no Yes"
- "No Mike Portnoy = no Dream Theater"
- "No Phil Collins = no Genesis"

and none of those are accurate.  I think it's more accurate to say "there's no Iron Maiden unless Steve Harris allows it, but he doesn't have to actually be there".
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Post by: cramx3 on August 03, 2023, 09:00:39 AM
Damn, can't believe he was able to go through the stroke and do the tour, while having it all hush hush.  Incredible and I hope he can stay healthy. 
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Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2023, 01:20:05 PM
I have to wonder.. this tour was announced back in October. What would've happened if Nicko couldn't do this summer run?

Not that many options:

- Postpone the tour
- Get a replacement
- Retire the band alltogether

They're getting up there with age and while they're not expected to die of old age in a couple of years, they must know that an illness or injury severe enough to end their touring days might be right behind the corner. It's either accept that there might be some stand-ins in the future, just like Judas Priest accepted to go on tour without Tipton, or just quit.

As I said elsewhere, mainly discussing Dream Theater's position that this is their last line-up, it's all too easy to announce to want to quit when the next change happens, only the change arrives and you find out if you really want to, there and then, give up the passion of a lifetime. I'm sure DT more or less mean it, but would John Petrucci end the band literally tomorrow if John Myung gave up and quit? or if Rudess or LaBrie did?

Also, it depends on the band members themselves. Was Glenn Tipton ok with Judas Priest ending because he got Parkinson? apparently not. Would Nicko want to go down in history as the reason Iron Maiden retired or would he urge them to continue?

Also, in Iron Maiden, who is replaceable and who is not? Bruce himself once said that he'd like to pick his replacement if he couldn't sing anymore. Would the band even consider it? No Steve Harris = no Iron Maiden obviously, but what if any of the guitarists would go? they'd still have two. Would Steve want to change the man behind the drums after 40 literal years of being with Nicko?

I'm not sure that's the case; I would have said before that:
- "No Glenn Tipton = no Judas Priest"
- "No Chris Squire = no Yes"
- "No Mike Portnoy = no Dream Theater"
- "No Phil Collins = no Genesis"

and none of those are accurate.  I think it's more accurate to say "there's no Iron Maiden unless Steve Harris allows it, but he doesn't have to actually be there".

To be fair Glenn is still a member of Priest, he just can't tour.  I do think live they are not the sane powerhouse without him up there though.  I personally feel that way about Portnoy too.
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Post by: devieira73 on August 03, 2023, 09:27:49 PM
Just a reminder, tomorrow, Maiden on Wacken!
https://www.magentamusik.de/wacken/woa-harder-faster-stage-2023-livestream
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Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2023, 10:56:35 PM
Will be great to see some pro shot footage of the current tour.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 04, 2023, 07:28:11 AM
Great to hear that Nikko is on the mend and was able to participate in the tour.

My second thought upon reading the news was I bet he happy he's not in Motley Crue!
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Post by: frogprog on August 04, 2023, 11:45:00 AM
Best wishes to Nicko on a continued recovery. He seems like a really cool guy and still a beast on drums. I bet it's not easy when your physical therapy is touring with Iron Maiden
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Post by: ErHaO on August 04, 2023, 11:48:47 AM
Unfortunately I will miss the Wacken stream, but I bet it will be a blast like yesterday's Helloween show was!


And impressive that Nicko managed to participate in the tour this soon, I wish him well! Has always been a great drummer and I enjoyed the performance in Amsterdam recently.
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Post by: devieira73 on August 04, 2023, 12:39:56 PM
20 minutes for the show! :tup
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 04, 2023, 12:52:06 PM
Looks like there won't be any streaming. Some deal must have fallen through.

The stream is billed as a recollection of Maiden's past appearances at Wacken.
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Post by: devieira73 on August 04, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
It's true! Frustrating...
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 04, 2023, 12:57:12 PM
My best guess: there's a lot of people missing, due to the weather conditions that forced authorities to stop cars from arriving, so that means less people in the crowd (and give the impression that the place is not packed), and it also means less money to dedicate to the streaming rights. Probably Rod didn't want to offer a discount so no streaming.

Pity, having seen the show in an horrible place, watching a streaming would have allowed me to concentrate better on the visuals.
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Post by: Mladen on August 04, 2023, 01:00:39 PM
Dang, I just got ready and comfortable, I almost made myself a snack as well.  :lol
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Post by: ErHaO on August 04, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
Damn, that sucks. And yes there were some issues with the weather and entrance to the festival area. But the Helloween crowd was large and loud regardless. It is not like there aren't enough people to fill up the front half or more of the main stage.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on August 04, 2023, 02:37:33 PM
I think I heard that out of the 85000 that were expected, about 50000 made and were let in. That's still an impressive crowd and a live stream would be at least a small consolation for those that couldn't make it/weren't allowed to make it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on August 05, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
Realistically I think Maiden can replace any member other than Bruce and Steve and continue no problems. It has been proven time and time again that the vast majority of concert goers don't care who is in the band with some very few exceptions (usually vocalists).

Practically, I think history shows that Steve Harris would replace any member, including Bruce, if he felt like he wanted Maiden to continue. I hadn't heard about Bruce saying he wanted to pick his replacement if it were necessary, anyone have a source on that?
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 06, 2023, 02:33:07 AM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-wants-iron-maiden-to-replace-him-if-he-is-no-longer-able-to-sing

And while I don't disagree with the fact that Steve Harris would do whatever it takes to keep Maiden alive, I think now that they're up with age the possible replacements are considered under a different set of circumstances; back when they were. young and in their prime, Steve needed whoever was able to carry his vision, and when Bruce left in 1993, they were in their 30s and still had a lot to do. Now they're aging and it's more a matter of "do we want to continue all together and then retire all together, or do we accept that we'll pick another drummer or another guitarist if need be?"...
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Post by: Glasser on August 07, 2023, 01:09:41 PM
I wish JLB would have the same courtesy for DT. From the videos I have seen from this tour he just can't do it live anymore sadly. Its sad knowing Bruce realizes it and doesn't want to hurt the band, I respect him for that.
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Post by: Stadler on August 07, 2023, 01:47:08 PM
BUT... take this for what it is.  I love Bruce, first metal front man I ever saw live, and is still the standard by which I measure all others, but he is a proud man. He's saying this because he CAN still deliver, and he has been delivering at some would say the highest level of his career on these last couple tours.  The guy is a freak of nature; he got cancer and kicked it's ass all over the Hammersmith Odeon.

I think you wouldn't get that level of cocksureness if Bruce wasn't on the top of his game.  (And of course, you have no idea whether he's had the conversation with Steve who said "if you go, we all go", making it a moot point.)
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Post by: TAC on August 07, 2023, 01:55:17 PM
Bruce turns 65 today!
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Post by: Glasser on August 07, 2023, 01:59:38 PM
Bruce turns 65 today!

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/e0/66/bfe06638ae60f2de5703a35011d37f57.gif)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2023, 02:02:09 PM
I wish JLB would have the same courtesy for DT. From the videos I have seen from this tour he just can't do it live anymore sadly.

I don't know. I can see James having a perfectly fine tour the next time out.
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Post by: Glasser on August 07, 2023, 02:27:32 PM
I wish JLB would have the same courtesy for DT. From the videos I have seen from this tour he just can't do it live anymore sadly.

I don't know. I can see James having a perfectly fine tour the next time out.

I hope you're right. I see 1 more album, maybe 2 left for DT and then a bunch of studio side projects. But who knows.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2023, 02:30:50 PM
I wish JLB would have the same courtesy for DT. From the videos I have seen from this tour he just can't do it live anymore sadly.

I don't know. I can see James having a perfectly fine tour the next time out.

I hope you're right. I see 1 more album, maybe 2 left for DT and then a bunch of studio side projects. But who knows.

I do wonder if his poor performances continues in the studio.  I'm sure studio magic can make him sound good, but the process, is someone like JP going to have an issue if he can't get the job done behind closed doors?  I'm not suggesting this happens, just a curiosity of how they will handle the vocals going forward.
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Post by: TAC on August 07, 2023, 02:49:19 PM
I think James in studio vs James live are two different beasts. I am not in any way concerned about James in the studio. James has also bounced back a number of times after some shaky tour legs. I guess we'll wait and see, but if the alterations to PMU are any indication, it seems that he and the band are aware of the issues. I mean, how could they not be, and that to me, was always the most interesting angle to it.
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Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2023, 04:32:58 PM
I think James in studio vs James live are two different beasts. I am not in any way concerned about James in the studio. James has also bounced back a number of times after some shaky tour legs. I guess we'll wait and see, but if the alterations to PMU are any indication, it seems that he and the band are aware of the issues. I mean, how could they not be, and that to me, was always the most interesting angle to it.

Agree.  Seems like the next tour they will be going in from a different angle so should be okay.

Yeah, no complaints with studio James either.  Even though the last album wasn't my cup of tea, he sounded great.
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Post by: ozzy554 on August 07, 2023, 05:46:19 PM
James seems to have his ups and downs. He was up for the DT13 tour and sounded great at the Boston Opera House show I was at. He was down for the I&W anniversary tour but that is a demanding set so I'll give him a break and he did sound good for Change of seasons which was the most important thing.

Haven't had the change to see them since but that just seems to be how he is now.
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Post by: ErHaO on August 08, 2023, 05:40:26 AM
James has bounced back many times and I have loved some of the performances I have seen of him in person (in 2011-2015). But these days his off times seem notably worse for the majority of the shows. I hate to say it, but for me personally it isn't worth the 70+ euro lottery anymore. I would love it if he bounces back on a more consistent level. I really do not mind mistakes here and there and some off key notes / pitchyness, but to me that isn't really where we are at anymore. And I dislike typing this, it is not fun seeing your favourites struggle.
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Post by: Samsara on August 08, 2023, 11:32:22 AM
Happy Belated to the Air Raid Siren!

Sure hope Iron Maiden announces more U.S. tour dates soon. I want to see this tour!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on August 08, 2023, 12:05:45 PM
Respectfully, there is already a thread on the DT side that has run the JLB conversation to the ground, do we really need to have it here too?  :rollin

I have several thoughts/speculations about the Bruce thing that kind of all run in conflict with each other:

1: Having major rock bands last 50+ years and continue to be major draws is really sort of unprecedented and we're only in the last decade starting to see bands with that kind of legacy reckon with their age limits. Everyone (including Bruce) uses the Stones comparison because it's the only comparable situation. I feel like Kiss has been the most notorious example of a band that is openly planning to continue without the original members, but there are also examples such as Yes and Judas Priest where original members are gradually phased out but the group continues touring with younger musicians. Iron Maiden is a weird example because they have had an unusually stable lineup compared to other rock bands. It's going to be weird to see Maiden tour without even one of the members, but they are becoming increasingly candid about that being something they are willing to explore.

Ultimately, I think these rock bands are just "too big to fail" in the sense that they are major million dollar productions that not just turn huge profits but also are responsible for the employment of thousands of people, some of whom have been with the band since the beginning. It has to be hard to tell the entire road crew that they need to find work elsewhere because someone in the band is no longer able to play live. There's an element of leaving money on the table especially if audiences have made it clear time and time again that they don't care who is in the band.

2: It makes sense that Bruce would want to pick his replacement, I'm sure if they had to replace him they would need to go more the tribute singer route and find someone who can replicate Bruce's singing style, rather than going in a different direction ala Blaze. It's hard to imagine Maiden drawing without Bruce Dickinson, but I can actually see it working if they get someone who matches his sound, style, and stage presence. It's hard to imagine Maiden going the tribute band route, but again I think money talks and it doesn't seem like as much of an outside possibility as it did maybe ten years ago. It ultimately comes down to Steve though and given how historically stubborn he's been, I could see him wanting to continue without Bruce ONLY to the extent that he wants to continue touring.

3:
BUT... take this for what it is.  I love Bruce, first metal front man I ever saw live, and is still the standard by which I measure all others, but he is a proud man. He's saying this because he CAN still deliver, and he has been delivering at some would say the highest level of his career on these last couple tours.  The guy is a freak of nature; he got cancer and kicked it's ass all over the Hammersmith Odeon.

I think you wouldn't get that level of cocksureness if Bruce wasn't on the top of his game.  (And of course, you have no idea whether he's had the conversation with Steve who said "if you go, we all go", making it a moot point.)

The thing with this, Bruce does have a giant ego and is clearly proud of his abilities, but sometimes I think that leads to decisions that don't necessarily lead to high quality consistent performances. Take Legacy of the Beast leg 3 for example. Bruce clearly struggled with Aces High, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was his choice to put it last given that they were trying to make the Spitfire more of a grand finale/photo op kind of moment. I'm not saying that he has turned in bad performances, although there have been quite a few examples of him overshooting his current abilities. I could absolutely see him staying in the game past his prime, although it's amazing we're not there yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on August 08, 2023, 12:16:37 PM
Well stated, Mosh. It really IS unprecedented. I mean, yes, the Stones are really the only example out there. And as you rightly put, Yes and Priest keep going. Kansas is doing it too. But in all honestly, Maiden is bigger than Kansas, Priest, and Yes. So you look at the Stones and see how you compare.

Loved your point about some of these bigger organizations really being that - a big employer with many on the payroll. There is...likely, an obligation felt to those folks. So if the band can continue and deliver at a level people love, then why not?

I don't really see Maiden continuing without Bruce at this point. Back when he left the first time, it made sense for them to continue. It didn't work out, Bruce returned, and they've pounded it for 20+ years, and aside from Metallica, Maiden is the biggest metal act on the planet. I can't see Steve continuing Maiden without Bruce. Without someone else in the band - yes. Without Bruce and that identity? No. They are just too big now.

Overall, I've seen Maiden many times, and saw the Legacy of the Beast tour twice. Bruce was awesome. But he struggled with high notes. Aces High, and some others. But his performance was just so amazing that it wasn't a big deal. And that's why, at least for me, Bruce gets a pass. He's running all over, singing at a high level, and if he misses some higher points, so what. Whereas some other singers, who don't do anything else but stand there, and you are fixated on their voices...it is much more glaring.

For me though, Maiden would be done in my eyes if Bruce stepped down at this juncture. If any of the other guys stepped down, including Steve, IMO, I think Maiden continues just fine. But Bruce is the ringmaster on stage and the voice of the band. At this stage, without him, there's no Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2023, 12:22:59 PM
I don't want Maiden to continue without Bruce.  If they did, I'd still check it out, but I think for Maiden's legacy, it's best the band calls it quits at this point if someone can't do it anymore.  I get the feeling they don't really want to go the route some other bands have gone with replacing members with younger people.  Maiden just aren't the same and I'd hope they treat their ending differently and with resect to the legacy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on August 08, 2023, 12:24:03 PM
Also Bruce loves to make it harder on himself. I admire them wanting to play things in their original key but sometimes even going down like half a step I think would make things much easier for him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 08, 2023, 12:27:59 PM
I don't want Maiden to continue without Bruce.  If they did, I'd still check it out, but I think for Maiden's legacy, it's best the band calls it quits at this point if someone can't do it anymore.  I get the feeling they don't really want to go the route some other bands have gone with replacing members with younger people.  Maiden just aren't the same and I'd hope they treat their ending differently and with resect to the legacy.


So I'm not directing this at you Marc, but you make an interesting point. Seems Judas Priest had no issue with it. However, Saxon's guitarist, Paul Quinn, an original member, is basically no longer touring with the band, though he does show up here and there to join them on stage. Biff Byford said it was very important to the band that they got a peer or an older ..musician to fill the spot, and not some hot shot. Diamond Head's Brian Tatler is touring with Saxon now. I actually think that's cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2023, 12:34:10 PM
I don't want Maiden to continue without Bruce.  If they did, I'd still check it out, but I think for Maiden's legacy, it's best the band calls it quits at this point if someone can't do it anymore.  I get the feeling they don't really want to go the route some other bands have gone with replacing members with younger people.  Maiden just aren't the same and I'd hope they treat their ending differently and with resect to the legacy.


So I'm not directing this at you Marc, but you make an interesting point. Seems Judas Priest had no issue with it. However, Saxon's guitarist, Paul Quinn, an original member, is basically no longer touring with the band, though he does show up here and there to join them on stage. Biff Byford said it was very important to the band that they got a peer or an older ..musician to fill the spot, and not some hot shot. Diamond Head's Brian Tatler is touring with Saxon now. I actually think that's cool.

Yeah, they could go fill in with someone I really like and respect.  It could work.  It could be great. (Id very likely still go to the show)  But there's a big part of me that would rather IM hang it up.  I think that's just the fan boy in me as I don't usually feel that way with most bands, but IM are different for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 08, 2023, 02:58:00 PM
I don't want Maiden to continue without Bruce.  If they did, I'd still check it out, but I think for Maiden's legacy, it's best the band calls it quits at this point if someone can't do it anymore.  I get the feeling they don't really want to go the route some other bands have gone with replacing members with younger people.  Maiden just aren't the same and I'd hope they treat their ending differently and with resect to the legacy.

Same here. Iron Maiden are the biggest metal band on the planet, rivaled only by Metallica, and I want them to end with integrity, style and selling out massive stadium shows, not playing average sized venues with a singer 30 years younger that mimics Bruce's style (sorry, brazilian guy who makes entertaining videos on YouTube singing songs like Bruce would, and good luck for your band).

I agree also on the "we can't essentially fire all people that work for us" angle, but I still stand by my point of "nobody really wants to be the one that kills the band", see Glenn Tipton; I mean, did they even have the discussion? we'll never know if the other band members asked Glenn "so.... I guess this is it?" and he was "no, no, no, I absolutely want you to continue" or when he offered that, the others sighed with relief because they really didn't want to tell him "yeah you're important and all but look, we wanna go on, so screw you and your intention to retire Priest".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 08, 2023, 04:41:54 PM
Pretty sure Glenn stepped back from touring on his own accord when he knew he couldn't keep up anymore.  It's his band, there's no way there would have been a discussion giving him any sort of ultimatum with the other members.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 09, 2023, 08:35:24 AM
The problem with Maiden, though, is that they went down this path before and I can't see them doing that again.  I can't see them touring stadia around the world even without an album (with Bruce) then going back to doing theaters with the new version of Blaze.  And any of the guys that could probably do it - RONNIE ROMERO - I am patently NOT INTERESTED in seeing in Maiden. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 09, 2023, 09:29:13 AM
I wonder what would the guys do if Iron Maiden should retire.

Pretty sure Steve would keep going with British Lion until he figuratively drops dead on stage.

Bruce would continue to do a gazillion things, most likely at least another solo album besides the one we MIGHT getting next year or in 2025.

The other guys... dunno. Dave Murray is rumoured to be the one that wants to retire. He'd probably enjoy a quiet life like Nicko, who I assume would still do some clinics here and there. Adrian would have more time for fishing and maybe for another album with Kotzen, and Janick, dunno again, he'd probably enjoy retirement as well.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2023, 09:33:46 AM
Nicko also has his rib restaurant in Florida.  I'm sure he'd just enjoy the retirement Florida life of running the joint and enjoying the weather. 
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Post by: ozzy554 on August 09, 2023, 11:59:07 AM
Pretty sure Glenn stepped back from touring on his own accord when he knew he couldn't keep up anymore.  It's his band, there's no way there would have been a discussion giving him any sort of ultimatum with the other members.

According to Halford's book while the other members could see Glenn was really struggling it was Glenn himself who made the decision and picked Andy to fill in for him on tour. He said only Glenn could made that decision and they were never going to make it for him.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2023, 02:03:55 PM
Pretty sure Glenn stepped back from touring on his own accord when he knew he couldn't keep up anymore.  It's his band, there's no way there would have been a discussion giving him any sort of ultimatum with the other members.

According to Halford's book while the other members could see Glenn was really struggling it was Glenn himself who made the decision and picked Andy to fill in for him on tour. He said only Glenn could made that decision and they were never going to make it for him.

Yes!  That's right, I remember him being the one saying Andy should step in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2023, 02:04:50 PM
The problem with Maiden, though, is that they went down this path before and I can't see them doing that again.  I can't see them touring stadia around the world even without an album (with Bruce) then going back to doing theaters with the new version of Blaze.  And any of the guys that could probably do it - RONNIE ROMERO - I am patently NOT INTERESTED in seeing in Maiden.

For the love of God no!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 09, 2023, 02:25:38 PM
I’m ignoring Stadler’s post altogether.  :lol
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Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2023, 03:05:16 PM
A post like that cannot be unseen!  :lol
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Post by: TAC on August 09, 2023, 03:18:36 PM
You’re not helping! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2023, 05:46:49 AM
 :lol Touche.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 10, 2023, 12:49:01 PM
Anyway, Bruce reportedly talked about a "surprise" they can't disclose yet.

What it might be? no way a new album is coming, they're already committed to the Future Past tour in 2024. Yet another live album? not worth the teasing, and if it's a video release, it might tempt people into not paying tickets for the show next year (at least, this is the logic that Rod would go by I assume). If he was talking for Iron Maiden, it's not his solo album either.

Maybe something about a cool collaboration, partnership or something along those lines?

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on August 10, 2023, 01:00:25 PM
I think it's a US tour announcement.  They may be contractually obligated to not make any announcements about additional US dates until after the Power Trip festival appearance. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2023, 01:03:23 PM
I think it's a US tour announcement.  They may be contractually obligated to not make any announcements about additional US dates until after the Power Trip festival appearance.

But that's not for another two months. Would they tease Bruce's "secret" that long?

Unless they're 2024 dates.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on August 10, 2023, 01:05:01 PM
I thought it was already a given that 2024 would be dedicated to a non-Europe tour. I now realize nothing is set in stone yet, so they must have told at the beginning "yeah we'll tour Europe in 2023 and the rest of the world in 2024" but nothing is official yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on August 10, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
I think it's a US tour announcement.  They may be contractually obligated to not make any announcements about additional US dates until after the Power Trip festival appearance.

But that's not for another two months. Would they tease Bruce's "secret" that long?

Unless they're 2024 dates.

I think they would.  Here's the quote:

Quote
Within the video, drummer Nicko McBrain and singer Bruce Dickinson tease the band's future plans, with Nicko stating, "We’re going to take a little time off and think about what we’re going to do after.” Dickinson adds: “Something else will happen. I can’t tell you what but you’ll be happy.”

They don't say anything about when they will make an announcement.  Just that they can't yet say what it is. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2023, 01:14:59 PM
Oh, ok. Framed that way, I can see that. I hadn't seen the quote.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on August 10, 2023, 03:35:29 PM
The problem with Maiden, though, is that they went down this path before and I can't see them doing that again.  I can't see them touring stadia around the world even without an album (with Bruce) then going back to doing theaters with the new version of Blaze.  And any of the guys that could probably do it - RONNIE ROMERO - I am patently NOT INTERESTED in seeing in Maiden.

(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.cBjIFUFqHdfsKXBxIYjeGQHaHZ?w=224&h=220&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on August 10, 2023, 04:51:19 PM
The problem with Maiden, though, is that they went down this path before and I can't see them doing that again.  I can't see them touring stadia around the world even without an album (with Bruce) then going back to doing theaters with the new version of Blaze.  And any of the guys that could probably do it - RONNIE ROMERO - I am patently NOT INTERESTED in seeing in Maiden.

(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.cBjIFUFqHdfsKXBxIYjeGQHaHZ?w=224&h=220&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.5&pid=1.7)

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on August 11, 2023, 06:23:38 AM
I think it's a US tour announcement.  They may be contractually obligated to not make any announcements about additional US dates until after the Power Trip festival appearance.

But that's not for another two months. Would they tease Bruce's "secret" that long?

Unless they're 2024 dates.

I suspect their contract with Powertrip specifies that they can't announce and US date until after the festival. I suspect it's US dates, plus South America and probably a few other places besides. Senjutsu will be 3 years old at that point, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some of those songs to be dropped in favour of some of the missing classics. There's an outside possibility of a new album, but I wouldn't expect that until 2025 at the soonest.

I think they would.  Here's the quote:

Quote
Within the video, drummer Nicko McBrain and singer Bruce Dickinson tease the band's future plans, with Nicko stating, "We’re going to take a little time off and think about what we’re going to do after.” Dickinson adds: “Something else will happen. I can’t tell you what but you’ll be happy.”

They don't say anything about when they will make an announcement.  Just that they can't yet say what it is.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on August 15, 2023, 09:37:43 AM
Thoughts and prayers for Davey, though; he's lived on Maui for a while and we all know what's happening out there.  Hope he and his family are safe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 03, 2023, 08:25:53 PM
Thought of a prompt to ask you guys: what is your favorite instance of a difference between a studio version and a live version of a song in which the live version fares better (in your opinion)? General arrangement changes for when they play a given song live or specific released tracks, you name it.

I just love it in the Beast over Hammersmith version of Murders in the Rue Morgue when the guitars play that harmonized solo and there is no rhythm guitar track holding the fort, just the bass. It's a very unlikely scenario nowadays with the 3 guitars (when it's pretty much a given that one of the guitars will play the rhythm while the other two harmonize, with the possible exception that comes to mind being Rainmaker), but it's such a powerful moment. I'm always eager for it when I listen to that album.

Honorable mentions include any instance when Janick "doubles" a solo with Adrian (on Trooper and Evil that Men Do, for instance) or Dave (on Futureal, such lovely harmonies!).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 03, 2023, 09:48:35 PM
Almost seems too obvious, but Fear of the Dark from A Real Live One.

And…almost everything from Live After Death
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 04, 2023, 12:01:25 AM
I've always thought the guitar harmony in Brave new world is richer and more interesting on the Rock in Rio DVD compared to the studio version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on September 04, 2023, 04:02:21 AM
Drifter is one of my favorite Maiden songs and the live version from Beast Over Hammersmith rules.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2023, 05:19:59 AM
The harmonies from Powerslave on the Ed Hunter tour version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2023, 07:26:57 AM
I've always thought the guitar harmony in Brave new world is richer and more interesting on the Rock in Rio DVD compared to the studio version.

It’s even better on Death On The Road. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 04, 2023, 06:05:57 PM
Thought of a prompt to ask you guys: what is your favorite instance of a difference between a studio version and a live version of a song in which the live version fares better (in your opinion)? General arrangement changes for when they play a given song live or specific released tracks, you name it.

Revelations from Live After Death >> the POM version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 05, 2023, 07:48:14 AM
I don't know if it's strictly an arrangement thing or anything like that, but "Blood Brothers" is ALWAYS better live.  The version we saw in NJ at the end of the Book Of Souls tour was one of my Maiden highlights, and I'm not sure from a studio perspective the song is even  in my top 25 (I ranked it 17 in Kev's countdown, but that's because of the live version).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2023, 02:15:18 PM
I don't know if it's strictly an arrangement thing or anything like that, but "Blood Brothers" is ALWAYS better live.  The version we saw in NJ at the end of the Book Of Souls tour was one of my Maiden highlights, and I'm not sure from a studio perspective the song is even  in my top 25 (I ranked it 17 in Kev's countdown, but that's because of the live version).

Agree.  I was blown away by it on the sane tour.  Gave me a new found appreciation of the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 15, 2023, 11:02:18 AM
It's in the game.

(https://preview.redd.it/mp2uf4pjpeob1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aec0695b801ee1001f14948a413abf9dc98a43c6)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2023, 04:01:18 PM
Goddamnit.  Now Bruce is going to blow out a knee and miss the entire season.   

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2023, 04:02:33 PM
And he's no longer flying the plane, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 19, 2023, 03:15:23 PM
- About his neck – the dead bird is hung!
- You know, seagulls have a pretty good life, don't they? They always live at the beach. And everytime you see seagulls, you see a beach and water.

----

I tried to parody the moment when Madden and Pat Summerall talk about the blue angels flying over the stadium as if they were talking about Bruce's Spitfire prop, but my comedic skills aren't that tight.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 19, 2023, 03:55:40 PM
I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 20, 2023, 01:08:24 AM
I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

Janick Gers joining the band in 1990 and hearing the stuff they were doing coming off Seventh Son, probably.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2023, 03:37:02 AM
I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

Janick Gers joining the band in 1990 and hearing the stuff they were doing coming off Seventh Son, probably.

Lol wut?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 20, 2023, 04:15:19 AM
I considered your reply (which I understood, it was about the last few WTF posts) as if it was a quote, and I imagined who could have said that  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2023, 04:19:41 AM
Iron Maiden Jepordy?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on September 20, 2023, 06:59:46 AM
Slightly out there question, but the thread is moving that way anyway :)

Do you fans from the US get 'Up the Irons'?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 20, 2023, 08:43:21 AM
I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

Google "The Madden curse"; it's not really valid, but there was a sort of thing going around for a while that if you appeared on a Madden NFL game cover, you got a serious if not career-threatening injury or something else that sent your career into the shitter.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 20, 2023, 08:48:44 AM
Slightly out there question, but the thread is moving that way anyway :)

Do you fans from the US get 'Up the Irons'?

I sort of figured from day one that it was a football reference, and later I learned it was (it's a nickname for 'Arry's favorite club, West Ham United; we here in the States would say "Go Patriots!"). But I can proudly and honestly say I've never said it to anyone else (I know some Maiden fans use it as a greeting). 

I've never been a fan of that, adopting bands' in-jokes.  For example, I NEVER refer to Alex, Geddy or Neil as "Lerxst", "Pratt" or "Dirk".  I think it's too familiar.  I'm not their friend, and I'm not in their inner circle. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 20, 2023, 10:12:05 AM
Slightly out there question, but the thread is moving that way anyway :)

Do you fans from the US get 'Up the Irons'?

It's a thing that Maiden fans say to each other out of camaraderie.  If it has a more complex, deeper meaning, I don't know it, but I can only speak for myself.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 20, 2023, 10:21:12 AM
Slightly out there question, but the thread is moving that way anyway :)

Do you fans from the US get 'Up the Irons'?

It's a thing that Maiden fans say to each other out of camaraderie.
  If it has a more complex, deeper meaning, I don't know it, but I can only speak for myself.
This. If I'm wearing a Maiden shirt and somebody comments on it (happens a lot, actually), they'll usually get the horns and an Up The Irons back from me. Sometimes they get it and sometimes they don't, but hopefully will going forward.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 20, 2023, 10:24:27 AM
I can't tell you how many times someone has said "nice shirt" to me, and I sort of mumble something incoherent because I've forgotten what shirt I'm wearing.   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
 :lol I usually just say thanks because I also sometimes forget what I'm wearing.  But I usually try to take a look at their shirt to know if I can say "same to you!" which is often the case.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 20, 2023, 11:29:26 AM
That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 20, 2023, 11:32:37 AM
I've worn Iron Maiden shirts my entire life and I don't think anyone has ever said "Up the Irons" to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2023, 11:38:07 AM
I've worn Iron Maiden shirts my entire life and I don't think anyone has ever said "Up the Irons" to me.

I'm not entirely sure I've ever heard this said aloud to me or in my vicinity, but I've seen it all over the internet and have written it plenty of times myself in regards to something IM related.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 20, 2023, 11:55:38 AM
I have absolutely said “Up the irons!” to guys in public wearing a maiden shirt. Sometimes I get some horns thrown my way other times they look confused because they forgot what shirt they left the house in.

And for those that don’t know where it came from, it used to be something in the liner Notes of nearly every single iron maiden album
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 20, 2023, 11:59:44 AM
That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.
That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on September 20, 2023, 12:04:20 PM
That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.
That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

I kind of agree.  I prefer having attended one of the shows on the back, but at the same time - if a band is getting rid of tour shirt stock and it's priced cheaper, I'm going to buy that shirt every time and save money. 

I didn't attend the Testament "Bay Area' tour with Exodus and Death Angel, though I desperately wanted to.   A regular Testament shirt is $30+.  Nuclear Blast was selling the tour shirts for $10.  I bought 2 tour shirts for less than the price of a one-sided album cover shirt. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2023, 12:08:50 PM
That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.
That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

That's a personal rule for myself, but I'm not going to hold it against someone.  I feel like the people who do this are usually fringe fans and just trying to fit in or they just really liked the design of the shirt.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on September 20, 2023, 12:44:11 PM
That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.
That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

That's a personal rule for myself, but I'm not going to hold it against someone.  I feel like the people who do this are usually fringe fans and just trying to fit in or they just really liked the design of the shirt.
Well, I'm not gonna punch somebody in the nose because of it. Like you, I consider it a personal rule, but I do think of people who do this as wannabes, like you said.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2023, 01:00:43 PM
I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.

Google "The Madden curse"; it's not really valid, but there was a sort of thing going around for a while that if you appeared on a Madden NFL game cover, you got a serious if not career-threatening injury or something else that sent your career into the shitter.

Ah yes, thanks Bill.  Have seen similar types of things with some sports over here in totally different contexts though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 20, 2023, 01:08:34 PM
That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.
That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

That's a personal rule for myself, but I'm not going to hold it against someone.  I feel like the people who do this are usually fringe fans and just trying to fit in or they just really liked the design of the shirt.
Well, I'm not gonna punch somebody in the nose because of it. Like you, I consider it a personal rule, but I do think of people who do this as wannabes, like you said.
Nah - I think it's more appropriate to define wannabes as the idiots like the Kardashians and others who only wear certain band shirts because they think they look cool, hip or trendy but have zero (or almost zero) clue as to the band or their catalog.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 20, 2023, 01:10:59 PM
That's an interesting thing too; I see a LOT of Iron Maiden shirts out there.  More than any other band (the only ones that are close are Metallica and Kiss).   I almost always acknowledge them ("Nice shirt, my man!") and give the thumbs up. 

Maybe I have to give a rethink to the "Up The Irons".  I was also the guy that said "you shouldn't wear your own band's shirt on stage" and "you shouldn't wear any concert shirt from a show you haven't been to" and I've had to rethink those as well.
That one I'm still kind of a snob about. There are plenty of non-concert shirts you can wear to show support. If it's got dates on it, you should be included in one of them.

That's a personal rule for myself, but I'm not going to hold it against someone.  I feel like the people who do this are usually fringe fans and just trying to fit in or they just really liked the design of the shirt.
Well, I'm not gonna punch somebody in the nose because of it. Like you, I consider it a personal rule, but I do think of people who do this as wannabes, like you said.
Nah - I think it's more appropriate to define wannabes as the idiots like the Kardashians and others who only wear certain band shirts because they think they look cool, hip or trendy but have zero (or almost zero) clue as to the band or their catalog.

In "A Star Is Born", Lady Gaga answers the door to her house with a Yes Tormato t-shirt on.  And if I ever meet her, I swear that will be the question:  are you that big a fan, or was that shirt an afterthought?  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 20, 2023, 01:27:35 PM
She was born that way.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on September 21, 2023, 10:11:03 AM
I'm pretty sure she's cited Arriving UFO as having been highly influential for her.

Much like To Be Over really moves Shakira.

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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2023, 10:14:02 AM
The Mandrake Project!!

https://blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-announces-new-solo-album-the-mandrake-project?fbclid=IwAR2OeT7q_SL6lZVyGTmPY8RzGYHRP-ul5gEADKsO3ZEDUIE-D3NsRZ69CL0 (https://blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-announces-new-solo-album-the-mandrake-project?fbclid=IwAR2OeT7q_SL6lZVyGTmPY8RzGYHRP-ul5gEADKsO3ZEDUIE-D3NsRZ69CL0)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on September 21, 2023, 10:21:09 AM
Brilliant news. Well up for tha. Always felt Eternity was brilliant but the ending made no sense at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 21, 2023, 10:23:49 AM
The Mandrake Project!!

https://blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-announces-new-solo-album-the-mandrake-project?fbclid=IwAR2OeT7q_SL6lZVyGTmPY8RzGYHRP-ul5gEADKsO3ZEDUIE-D3NsRZ69CL0 (https://blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-announces-new-solo-album-the-mandrake-project?fbclid=IwAR2OeT7q_SL6lZVyGTmPY8RzGYHRP-ul5gEADKsO3ZEDUIE-D3NsRZ69CL0)

Now this is something to look forward to! Thanks Cram!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 21, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
I'm in!  I'd be thrilled to see Bruce solo, too. I've managed to miss him on his previous solo tours.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 21, 2023, 10:25:40 AM
I'm in!  I'd be thrilled to see Bruce solo, too. I've managed to miss him on his previous solo tours.

Same! Now its time to break out his older solo albums!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2023, 10:26:27 AM
The quote says they are going to try to take the tour everywhere they can so that makes me think there's no way that show misses New York City, right?! I HAVE to see that. This just shot up my list of most anticipated album/tour for next year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 21, 2023, 10:28:56 AM
The quote says they are going to try to take the tour everywhere they can so that makes me think there's no way that show misses New York City, right?! I HAVE to see that. This just shot up my list of most anticipated album/tour for next year.

Hey, when you go can you see if Bruce's merch tables has the new Myrath cd?  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2023, 10:33:13 AM
The quote says they are going to try to take the tour everywhere they can so that makes me think there's no way that show misses New York City, right?! I HAVE to see that. This just shot up my list of most anticipated album/tour for next year.

Hey, when you go can you see if Bruce's merch tables has the new Myrath cd?  :lol

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 21, 2023, 11:42:20 AM
I'm in!  I'd be thrilled to see Bruce solo, too. I've managed to miss him on his previous solo tours.

I missed him too. And you know why? because I'm not-young enough to have lived in the pre-internet era  :D it was 1998, he came in my town but I didn't have yet proper internet access so I didn't know about it. I discovered about the show and a signing session the day after the fact. I went to the store and I got a leftover poster he signed, I still have it to this day. Damn.

Of course I saw him with Iron Maiden ever since the reunion, but I could have seen the Chemical Wedding tour and I missed it.... a quarter of century later it's damn time to fix that error!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2023, 11:43:44 AM
Getting a signed poster is a nice consolation prize for missing the show though
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 21, 2023, 01:03:28 PM
I saw on Setlist.fm that he was doing shows for the Deep Purple concerto as well as some other Deep Purple songs? What was that all about (the concerto has vocals, but it's like five minutes out of 60 or something like that).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2023, 01:05:01 PM
Good stuff.  It's been a while coming so I'll reverse the celebrations until it'd actually out there.  Or an official release date at the very least.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 21, 2023, 11:34:02 PM
A Brazilian journalist who usually has insider scoops on upcoming concerts (who I've followed for years and can't recall ever being "wrong" about anything) said that Adrian will be part of Bruce's solo lineup along with Roy Z. Even with this journalist's track record, I'm not sure this is true (though I don't think he would gratuitously compromise his integrity by putting that info out without there being at least a hint of truth to it).

Here's the tweet: https://twitter.com/jnflesch/status/1704880665039163808

Another commenter in that same thread states that the band would have Tanya O'Callaghan (who played those "Deep Purple Concerto" shows with Bruce) on bass and Bruno Valverde (from Smith/Kotzen and Angra) on drums. Just rumors so far, but the snippet of music from the teaser does suggest a skilled drummer like Bruno (and having played in Adrian's band is not the worst calling card for the job).

Very, very excited for the new album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 22, 2023, 01:07:01 AM
I wonder also what this means for Iron Maiden.

I thought it was a given that they would bring the Future Past tour to the Americas; maybe they'll do another summer tour, from June to September, and then Bruce will tour Europe in autumn 2024 / winter 2025?

Some guy on YouTube that analyzed the teaser video from Iron Maiden said he heard rumours that they would finally go to Greece as well (to play Alex the Great), of course we should not believe Random Guy on the Internet, but maybe they'll do a second (short) european leg going where they haven't been this year, and squeeze in a short Americas tour as well? 10 dates in Europe, another 10-15 in the US / Canada and the major markets in South America (and Oz if they're lucky) seems doable.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 22, 2023, 01:35:12 AM
I saw on Setlist.fm that he was doing shows for the Deep Purple concerto as well as some other Deep Purple songs? What was that all about (the concerto has vocals, but it's like five minutes out of 60 or something like that).
That was some sort of a tribute to Jon Lord. Bruce came out to sing several Deep Purple tracks, but it was basically orchestral performance of Lord's work outside of rock music.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 22, 2023, 01:37:51 AM
You can basically say they were doing....




... the Lord's work.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 22, 2023, 02:40:42 AM
That was perfect.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on September 22, 2023, 08:17:55 AM
I wonder also what this means for Iron Maiden.

I'm sure Rod Smallwood is on top of everything.  Maybe the band has some open time, or Bruce is squeezing this in when Maiden has some off-time scheduled during that year.  I'm just happy we're finally getting more Bruce solo material and a tour.  It's been 19 years since Tyranny of Souls came out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 22, 2023, 08:27:00 AM
Oh, I don't doubt that Rod has a plan. I was just thinking ahead and trying to guess what Maiden's schedule might look like now that we know that Bruce's gonna tour  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 22, 2023, 08:29:49 AM
A Brazilian journalist who usually has insider scoops on upcoming concerts (who I've followed for years and can't recall ever being "wrong" about anything) said that Adrian will be part of Bruce's solo lineup along with Roy Z. Even with this journalist's track record, I'm not sure this is true (though I don't think he would gratuitously compromise his integrity by putting that info out without there being at least a hint of truth to it).

Here's the tweet: https://twitter.com/jnflesch/status/1704880665039163808

Another commenter in that same thread states that the band would have Tanya O'Callaghan (who played those "Deep Purple Concerto" shows with Bruce) on bass and Bruno Valverde (from Smith/Kotzen and Angra) on drums. Just rumors so far, but the snippet of music from the teaser does suggest a skilled drummer like Bruno (and having played in Adrian's band is not the worst calling card for the job).

Very, very excited for the new album.

That would be a pretty awesome band.

I wonder also what this means for Iron Maiden.

I'm sure Rod Smallwood is on top of everything.  Maybe the band has some open time, or Bruce is squeezing this in when Maiden has some off-time scheduled during that year.  I'm just happy we're finally getting more Bruce solo material and a tour.  It's been 19 years since Tyranny of Souls came out.

There 100% is a plan.  I'd guess IM are either doing the US over the summer or in the fall.  Steve's got a tour of British Lion this winter too.  I honestly don't think this news changes anything for the IM plans.  I just hope the plan wasn't all along to skip the US on this tour, but I really doubt it.  Some insiders seem to be 100% sure they are coming to the US in 2024.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 22, 2023, 08:31:49 AM
You can basically say they were doing....




... the Lord's work.

Well played.  Well played.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 22, 2023, 03:29:13 PM
I wonder if this was the news that Bruce was teasing a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Pappy on September 23, 2023, 09:42:03 AM
Dickinson + Roy Z is the most underrated duo in music. Been way too long since we've heard them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 23, 2023, 10:43:32 AM
Dickinson + Roy Z is the most underrated duo in music. Been way too long since we've heard them.

I'm 110% that Bruce quickly returned to Iron Maiden, but a part of me wants to visit a parallel universe where Bruce remained solo and his partnership with Roy Z went on right on the heels of the Accident of Birth / Chemical Wedding combo. Who knows what else they could have done together. Maybe just Tyranny of Souls but 5 years earlier? something different? something better?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 23, 2023, 11:34:26 AM
I think they were smart to quit while they were ahead. There's zero chance that they would surpass Accident and Wedding, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 23, 2023, 02:05:10 PM
I think they were smart to quit while they were ahead. There's zero chance that they would surpass Accident and Wedding, in my opinion.

There's simply no topping Chemical Wedding.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2023, 02:07:22 PM
I think they were smart to quit while they were ahead. There's zero chance that they would surpass Accident and Wedding, in my opinion.

There were already diminishing returns by the time they got to Tyranny Of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 23, 2023, 03:38:00 PM
Maiden's last album should be produced by Roy Z, with Dianno and Blaze singing a few songs. I know it won't happen, but one can dream...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2023, 04:00:42 PM
Maiden's last album should be produced by Roy Z, with Dianno and Blaze singing a few songs. I know it won't happen, but one can dream...

Rodrigo, my man.. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 23, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
Maiden's last album should be produced by Roy Z, with Dianno and Blaze singing a few songs. I know it won't happen, but one can dream...

Rodrigo, my man.. :lol

Imagine that, eh? It will never happen though. Steve would have a heart attack when he realized he doesn't have full control.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 23, 2023, 05:06:00 PM
You know what I honestly could see happening? Paul and Blaze being asked to do background vocals on one track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2023, 05:25:33 PM
You know what I honestly could see happening? Paul and Blaze being asked to do background vocals on one track.

You know what I honestly could see happening? Not fucking that! :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 24, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
Dickinson + Roy Z is the most underrated duo in music. Been way too long since we've heard them.

I'm 110% that Bruce quickly returned to Iron Maiden, but a part of me wants to visit a parallel universe where Bruce remained solo and his partnership with Roy Z went on right on the heels of the Accident of Birth / Chemical Wedding combo. Who knows what else they could have done together. Maybe just Tyranny of Souls but 5 years earlier? something different? something better?

Isn't the magic at least in part that there WASN'T an album and tour every year? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jammindude on September 24, 2023, 01:18:33 PM
You know what I honestly could see happening? Paul and Blaze being asked to do background vocals on one track.

You know what I honestly could see happening? Not fucking that! :lol

Oh come on. At least it’s more realistic than imagining that they would take any spotlight moments on a final Maiden album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2023, 01:44:05 PM
You know what I honestly could see happening? Paul and Blaze being asked to do background vocals on one track.

You know what I honestly could see happening? Not fucking that! :lol

Oh come on. At least it’s more realistic than imagining that they would take any spotlight moments on a final Maiden album.

Yeah, there's zero chance of that lol.  Either of them would probably not even be allowed within 50ft of the recording studio.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 24, 2023, 02:54:56 PM
You know what I honestly could see happening? Paul and Blaze being asked to do background vocals on one track.

You know what I honestly could see happening? Not fucking that! :lol

Oh come on. At least it’s more realistic than imagining that they would take any spotlight moments on a final Maiden album.

Yeah, there's zero chance of that lol.  Either of them would probably not even be allowed within 50ft of the recording studio.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on September 24, 2023, 04:45:59 PM
Dickinson + Roy Z is the most underrated duo in music. Been way too long since we've heard them.

I'm 110% that Bruce quickly returned to Iron Maiden, but a part of me wants to visit a parallel universe where Bruce remained solo and his partnership with Roy Z went on right on the heels of the Accident of Birth / Chemical Wedding combo. Who knows what else they could have done together. Maybe just Tyranny of Souls but 5 years earlier? something different? something better?

I do think that the AoB/CW lineup was a key part of why those albums were what they were -- specifically Adrian Smith on second guitar and the Eddie Casillas/David Ingraham rhythm section. The difference in Tyranny of Souls is palpable. I won't fault them for choosing a different lineup (maybe Adrian, Eddie and David weren't even available), but I like how Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding are metal records made by an arguably non-metal band (those guys were in the Tribe of Gypsies together if I understand it correctly).

There was a swing and freshness in the musicianship that married Bruce's voice and approach like wine and cheese.  I don't expect that to come back in the Mandrake project, but would love to be proven wrong. I do expect some good tunes, though (Tyranny of Souls was no slouch in that department)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2023, 04:47:31 PM
TOS was never going to stack up.  It's a great record with a lot of really nice songs, but anything after CW was simply going to be a step down.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 24, 2023, 06:07:58 PM
They say strike while the iron is hot but unfortunately by the time of Tyranny it had been far too long between drinks.

Had Bruce not rejoined Maiden when he did and there was a follow-up solo from him a year or so after Chemical, there's every chance it could've been on par with CW (and Accident for that matter).

Personally if this new solo is as good as or close to Tyranny I will be happy.  Of course anything more will be huge  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2023, 07:12:02 PM
They say strike while the iron is hot but unfortunately by the time of Tyranny it had been far too long between drinks.

Had Bruce not rejoined Maiden when he did and there was a follow-up solo from him a year or so after Chemical, there's every chance it could've been on par with CW (and Accident for that matter).

Personally if this new solo is as good as or close to Tyranny I will be happy.  Of course anything more will be huge  :metal

Yeah, this is good point mate.  I guess if the reunion didn't happen, there may have been able to keep the momentum going.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2023, 07:22:04 PM
What makes Bruce's solo career great is that every album has a different style. Going from CW to ToS was a step back in originality (I'm not even sure that's the word I want to use, but I don't find it to stand on its own like every other Bruce album does) , so who knows where the next album would've gone.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2023, 07:51:28 PM
What makes Bruce's solo career great is that every album has a different style. Going from CW to ToS was a step back in originality (I'm not even sure that's the word I want to use, but I don't find it to stand on its own like every other Bruce album does) , so who knows where the next album would've gone.

I think the diversity in the albums makes TOS a bit safe.  AOB and CW were obviously the most similar out of the albums so far, but the quality makes that a non issue.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2023, 07:56:30 PM
What makes Bruce's solo career great is that every album has a different style. Going from CW to ToS was a step back in originality (I'm not even sure that's the word I want to use, but I don't find it to stand on its own like every other Bruce album does) , so who knows where the next album would've gone.

I think the diversity in the albums makes TOS a bit safe.  AOB and CW were obviously the most similar out of the albums so far, but the quality makes that a non issue.

There's a straightforwardness about AOB and an epicness of CW, and they both stand on their own. Like you say, TOS is a bit safe.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2023, 10:15:12 PM
What makes Bruce's solo career great is that every album has a different style. Going from CW to ToS was a step back in originality (I'm not even sure that's the word I want to use, but I don't find it to stand on its own like every other Bruce album does) , so who knows where the next album would've gone.

I think the diversity in the albums makes TOS a bit safe.  AOB and CW were obviously the most similar out of the albums so far, but the quality makes that a non issue.

There's a straightforwardness about AOB and an epicness of CW, and they both stand on their own. Like you say, TOS is a bit safe.

i like that take.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 25, 2023, 01:13:38 AM
Yeah, Tyranny of Souls didn't reinvent the wheel, but where do I have to sign to have "safe albums" with songs up to par with the title track, Soul Intruders, Kill Devil Hill (note to Steve Harris: you can make an epic song without stretching it to 10 minutes) an Navigate the Seas of the Sun?

Also the oddball of the album, Devil on a Hog, is quite nice and catchy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 25, 2023, 01:32:00 AM
I've always been a big fan of Abduction from that album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 25, 2023, 01:34:25 AM
Yup, that's another great track. But in the end, all the album is  great, Believil is the only expendable and boring song.

Also, the japanese bonus track, Eternal, is fantastic and dreamy and Floyd-ish.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 25, 2023, 03:47:42 AM
Yup, that's another great track. But in the end, all the album is  great, Believil is the only expendable and boring song.

Also, the japanese bonus track, Eternal, is fantastic and dreamy and Floyd-ish.

Totally agree.  Eternal should have replaced Believil.

The title track is a top 10 Bruce track for me.....maybe top 5.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 25, 2023, 03:49:19 AM
I'm always saddened about the lack of appreciation for Skunkworks.  :-\
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 25, 2023, 03:55:11 AM
I'm always saddened about the lack of appreciation for Skunkworks.  :-\

3rd best Bruce album after AOB and CW.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 25, 2023, 05:18:29 AM
I'm always saddened about the lack of appreciation for Skunkworks.  :-\

3rd best Bruce album after AOB and CW.
Finally someone! I absolutely agree.  :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 25, 2023, 06:11:22 AM
I'd still rank Tyranny of Souls behind the big two, and Skunkwors, Tattoed and Picasso are so different from each other that it's hard to rank them.

However I've always loved Skunkworks so, regardless of rankings, you won't find any crticism to the album from me  :tup Innerspace and Solar Confinement, in an ideal world where Bruce tours relentlessly for each of his solo albums, should be setlist staples, but also Back from the Edge, Faith, Strange Death in Paradise and Inertia are great tracks. The whole album has a specific and unique vibe and is best enjoyed from start to finish.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 25, 2023, 07:32:13 AM
I love Skunkworks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on September 25, 2023, 11:05:29 AM
 :metal FREAK  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 26, 2023, 04:46:07 AM
+1

LOVE Skunkworks and Solar Confinement is badass! Probably a Top10 Bruce solo tune fer me  :metal

Edited to add; Always subject to change but in no particular order...

Tears Of A Dragon
Darkside Of Aquarius
The Tower
Road To Hell
Return Of The King
The Magician
Solar Confinement
Soul Intruders
Chemical Wedding
Book Of Thel


DAMN! That was harder than expected  :-[



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2023, 05:03:47 AM
Nice mention of Return to the King.  Incredible bonus track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 26, 2023, 05:09:36 AM
Nice to see some appreciation for Skunkworks. It's a really unique record for Bruce.

Come to think of it, the only album of his I dislike is Tattooed millionaire. He just didn't crack it yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 26, 2023, 05:30:49 AM
Come to think of it, the only album of his I dislike is Tattooed millionaire. He just didn't crack it yet.

The album starts with the best song, Son of a Gun, and goes quickly downhill after that. Title track and Born in '58 are cool but the second half of the record..... geeez.

Even the wacky B-Sides of the Balls to Picasso era are better than Zulu Lulu  :lol

(Quick reminder: what we know as Balls to Picasso is the third attempt by Bruce to make his first solo record after leaving Iron Maiden, out of the many songs recorded for projects eventually scrapped, we can find some cool metal tracks like The Breeding House and No Way Out.... to be Continued, and some atrocities like Cadillac Gas Mask, listen at your own risk)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2023, 08:43:44 AM
Nice mention of Return to the King.  Incredible bonus track.

Yup, one of my favorite Bruce solo songs.  Also Silver Wings is another b-side type song that is incredible IMO.

Nice to see some appreciation for Skunkworks. It's a really unique record for Bruce.

Come to think of it, the only album of his I dislike is Tattooed millionaire. He just didn't crack it yet.

Yup.  I don't love Skunkworks, but there's some good stuff there including Solar Confinement (likely my favorite from the album).  Also yeah, Tattooed Millionaire is my least favorite Bruce album. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on September 26, 2023, 11:34:51 AM
IMO the problem with Tyranny of Souls is that it was a side project that was quickly put together while Maiden was on a break. It's a different experience when Maiden is the main project compared to Chemical Wedding when his solo career was the main focus. There are some good songs on ToS but it doesn't have the same consistency or craft as the other Roy Z albums. I'll be curious to see how his approach differs on this one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 27, 2023, 02:40:06 AM
Silver Wings would make make a Bruce top 10, it's like Aces High 2.0, brilliant.

Actually Bruce has some of the best b-sides/bonus tracks I have come across.  So much quality;

Return of the King
The Ghost of Cain
Winds of Change
Armchair Hero
The Breeding House
Both No Way Outs
Darkness Be My Friend
Acoustic Song

Plus more really great stuff.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 27, 2023, 03:23:24 AM
Is anyone up for doing a "Bruce Dickinson Top whatever" list? Someone who is familiar enough with his solo stuff. I'd be up for following along if so.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 27, 2023, 03:27:12 AM
I remember doing a Bruce Dickinson survivor a decade ago. It was fun. Maybe I should give some sort of a countdown a shot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 27, 2023, 03:36:05 AM
I remember doing a Bruce Dickinson survivor a decade ago. It was fun. Maybe I should give some sort of a countdown a shot.

Yeah I remember that, had a decent following too from memory.

A countdown would be interesting.  Not sure I have the time though personally.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 27, 2023, 04:20:12 AM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/blaze-bayley-iron-maiden-is-the-most-important-heavy-metal-band-in-the-world

Blaze just saying some nice things about Maiden.  All class this guy.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 27, 2023, 05:28:43 AM
I remember doing a Bruce Dickinson survivor a decade ago. It was fun. Maybe I should give some sort of a countdown a shot.

I would be all in!  :metal

We'd have to pass time somehow until The Mandrake Project drops, after all  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on September 27, 2023, 05:47:21 AM
Speaking of passing time, these talks about bonus tracks prompted me to imagine how the early albums could have taken form taking advantage of the extra songs created in that time.

So, without absolutely no one asking or needing this, here I bring you.... my own personal "ultimate editions" of the early albums!


TATTOED MILLIONAIRE Ultimate Edition

1.   Tattooed Millionaire   4:28
2.   Son of a Gun       5:55
3.   Hell on Wheels      3:39
4.   Born in '58       3:40
5.   Dive! Dive! Dive!   4:41

6.   Gypsy Road       4:02      
7.   Lickin' the Gun      3:17
8.   All the Young Dudes    3:50
9.   Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter (original version) 5:01
10.   Winds of Change   4:14
11.   No Lies         6:17

                    49:02


My rationale: even though Son of a Gun is the best song of the album to start off the record, it's weird to open an album with a slow piece, so I completely rearranged the order by having the fast song first, followed by the mellow song later.

I sacked Zulu Lulu and created a stronger second half of the record, including the original version of Bring your Daughter... and the excellent Winds of Change.

I would have also discarded Lickin' the Gun but there wasn't any other non-slow, original b-side to replace it with. Darkness Be My Friend is fantastic, but is totally out of place on the record so I didn't include it.


BALLS TO PICASSO Ultimate Edition

01.   Cyclops          7:58
02.   Hell No          5:11
03.   Gods of War       5:02
04.   1000 Points of Light   4:25
05.   The Breeding House   5:18
06.   Change of Heart       4:58

07.   No Way Out...To Be Continued   7:31
08.   Laughing in the Hiding Bush   4:20
09.   Shoot All the Clowns   4:24
10.   Fire Child               6:24
11.   Sacred Cowboys   3:53
12.   Tears of the Dragon   6:24

               66:48

My rationale: well, first of all, Balls to Picasso is fine as it is. It has a very unique style and there's no need to "metalize it" further. I can see why Bruce kept the most metal songs off the record, and they belonged to the projects before the Tribe of Gypsies came along anyway.

Having said that, and playing make believe, I strech out the album by including some amazing B-Sides: the epic, eerie No Way Out, the ballsy Breeding House, and the folk-ish Fire Child.

The original song Fire paid the price for it. I don't hate the song, I just find it expendable. Not a fan of Shoot All the Clowns either but it was a single and it has that funky vibe that only could have come from the Tribe so I kept it. The slightly rearranging of songs it was for better pacing and balancing.



SKUNKWORKS Ultimate Edition

1.   Space Race       3:47
2.   Back from the Edge   4:17
3.   Inertia          3:04
4.   Faith                  3:35
5.   Solar Confinement    3:20
6.   Re-entry               4:05
7.   Inside the Machine   3:28
8.   Dreamstate       3:50

9.   I Will Not Accept the Truth    3:45
10.   Armchair Hero       2:42
11.   God's Not Coming Back   2:16
12.   Rescue Day       4:09
13.   Meltdown               4:35
14.   Octavia          3:15
15.   Innerspace      3:31
16.   Strange Death in Paradise   4:50

                    58:27


I'll repeat the same things I said for Balls to Picasso: the album Skunkworks is fine as it is, the best B-Sides still sound a bit out of place and the lyrics don't match the overall vibes and themes of the album. Who cares, we're playing here.

And again, just like Fire on Balls to Picasso, I don't hate the song, but to keep an even number one song had to pay the price, so I took out Headswitch. Which are the songs that stretch out the album out and flesh it more? the excellent Re-Entry (at least a true slow piece for the album), the short and to-the-point Armchair Hero and God's Not Coming Back, and the grunge-y Rescue Day.

And once again, the re-arranging of the songs were made for a better overall pacing and alternance between faster songs and slower songs.

Fun fact: one of the lesser b-sides, an arguably forgettable song, is called R-101. The second attempt to write a song about that aircraft would have been slightly better.....


I didn't create the other albums alternate tracklists because there's not really that much to add: Ghost of Cain is the only original song to insert into Accident of Birth, and Chemical Wedding is a concept album so songs that don't fit the concept don't belong, sorry Return of the King, you're an absolutely fantastic and gorgeous songs. And Tyranny of Souls has Eternal as japanese bonus track, that's it.

EDIT: on my notepad file and even when I'm in Modify mode for the post, the running times are aligned, damn.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on September 27, 2023, 06:50:59 AM
Silver Wings would make make a Bruce top 10, it's like Aces High 2.0, brilliant.

Actually Bruce has some of the best b-sides/bonus tracks I have come across.  So much quality;

Return of the King
The Ghost of Cain
Winds of Change
Armchair Hero
The Breeding House
Both No Way Outs
Darkness Be My Friend
Acoustic Song

Plus more really great stuff.

I agree with this 100%
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on September 27, 2023, 09:23:14 AM
Found an old Bruce Dickinson Top 30 thread from 2010 that GuineaPig did.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=12119.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=12119.0)

Then wolfking shared his in the same thread.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=12119.msg903916#msg903916 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=12119.msg903916#msg903916)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 27, 2023, 12:52:45 PM
Ha!  I had an inkling a couple if us did this.  13 years ago!  :omg:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on September 27, 2023, 01:51:03 PM
Is anyone up for doing a "Bruce Dickinson Top whatever" list? Someone who is familiar enough with his solo stuff. I'd be up for following along if so.

Maybe Samson along with his solo stuff? That would be cool.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on September 27, 2023, 05:24:01 PM
Would also be up for a TopSomething countdown thingy of Bruce :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on September 27, 2023, 05:51:53 PM
Nice to see some appreciation for Skunkworks. It's a really unique record for Bruce.


Yep, count me in as a Skunkworks fan!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2023, 04:46:53 PM
Holy shit, the band is smoking, but I was LMAO at Paul Dianno's Steve Harris wannabe bassist. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXFzvJAFfe4
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 14, 2023, 02:24:19 AM
Holy shit, the band is smoking, but I was LMAO at Paul Dianno's Steve Harris wannabe bassist. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXFzvJAFfe4

And 1999 era Adrian Smith but on Dave's side with his guitar.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 15, 2023, 12:48:19 PM
(https://scontent.ffco3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/387877561_875441467281535_1736850021281989352_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=YoO1fCNyyj4AX-0gmC_&_nc_ht=scontent.ffco3-1.fna&oh=00_AfDUw54SDjBJIs-dx4IhdLwhOtPohh_gSXuMO4jy2l1a1g&oe=6531FB58)

"IRON MAIDEN will continue The Future Past tour into 2024, and here is the first date to be announced:

16th September - Spark Arena, Auckland - New Zealand

More dates to be announced very soon! 👀"



Hey wolfking, brace yourself for an australian date!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 15, 2023, 01:26:32 PM
Let's.....fucking.....go!!  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 15, 2023, 02:07:48 PM
Have a good time, Wolfking, you're gonna love this show!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 15, 2023, 03:22:21 PM
Apparently "soon" meant "not even two hours later":

Surprise, surprise... The Future Past Tour is also coming to Australia in 2024!

September 2024:
01- RAC Arena, Perth - Aus
04 - Adelaide Entertainment Centre, Adelaide - Aus
06 - Rod Laver Arena, Melbourne - Aus
10 - Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Brisbane - Aus
12 - Qudos Bank Arena, Sydney - Aus
16 - Spark Arena, Auckland - NZ

Tickets go on general sale Tuesday 24th October.


They even changed the poster for the tour, changing the design and switching the two sides of Eddie, I don't think that will mean a different setlist as well but we'll see!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2023, 03:59:59 PM
It's ridiculous that tickets go on sale a year before the shows. WTF??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 15, 2023, 05:25:35 PM
Yeah, I mean, do I really have to buy these a year out?  I can't recall if any shows up here have sold out but fucking hell, that's brutal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2023, 05:28:40 PM
Yeah, I mean, do I really have to buy these a year out?  I can't recall if any shows up here have sold out but fucking hell, that's brutal.


It'll probably take a year to pay off the ticket purchase anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 15, 2023, 05:31:29 PM
Yeah, I mean, do I really have to buy these a year out?  I can't recall if any shows up here have sold out but fucking hell, that's brutal.


It'll probably take a year to pay off the ticket purchase anyway.

Hey!  My pay rate isn't THAT bad.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 15, 2023, 05:32:40 PM
Yeah, I mean, do I really have to buy these a year out?  I can't recall if any shows up here have sold out but fucking hell, that's brutal.


It'll probably take a year to pay off the ticket purchase anyway.

Hey!  My pay rate isn't THAT bad.  :lol

I didn't technically mean you, but tickets are fucking expensive.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 15, 2023, 05:38:20 PM
Yeah, I mean, do I really have to buy these a year out?  I can't recall if any shows up here have sold out but fucking hell, that's brutal.


It'll probably take a year to pay off the ticket purchase anyway.

Hey!  My pay rate isn't THAT bad.  :lol

I didn't technically mean you, but tickets are fucking expensive.

True, especially when cost of living here is near the higher end of the spectrum.  I mean, for two tickets it will be around $300 going off previous concerts.  Maiden have always been well priced.  I'll probably just lock them in to be sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 15, 2023, 06:09:06 PM
Do it! $150 is on the higher end, but pretty normal for good seats for Maiden.  Worth it for sure and I'd imagine 10 fold for places like Australia where bands don't tour as often.  I'm jelly, waiting for this show to come to the NYC area.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 15, 2023, 08:24:58 PM
Do it! $150 is on the higher end, but pretty normal for good seats for Maiden.  Worth it for sure and I'd imagine 10 fold for places like Australia where bands don't tour as often.  I'm jelly, waiting for this show to come to the NYC area.

Oh yeah, there's not doubt about it.  The money isn't a concern for me at all, it's just the mere fact or reserving something 11 months in advance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 16, 2023, 02:48:29 AM
Do it! $150 is on the higher end, but pretty normal for good seats for Maiden.  Worth it for sure and I'd imagine 10 fold for places like Australia where bands don't tour as often.  I'm jelly, waiting for this show to come to the NYC area.

Oh yeah, there's not doubt about it.  The money isn't a concern for me at all, it's just the mere fact or reserving something 11 months in advance.

My thoughts exactly been chatting to family and friends about this today.

particularly given how many these shows get moved at the last minute due to whatnot and with us having airline and accommodation on top it can be quite costly.

That said I am keen as fck to see this particular show \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 16, 2023, 02:56:59 AM
Do it! $150 is on the higher end, but pretty normal for good seats for Maiden.  Worth it for sure and I'd imagine 10 fold for places like Australia where bands don't tour as often.  I'm jelly, waiting for this show to come to the NYC area.

Oh yeah, there's not doubt about it.  The money isn't a concern for me at all, it's just the mere fact or reserving something 11 months in advance.

My thoughts exactly been chatting to family and friends about this today.

particularly given how many these shows get moved at the last minute due to whatnot and with us having airline and accommodation on top it can be quite costly.

That said I am keen as fck to see this particular show \m/

You not in Sydney or Melbourne mate?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 16, 2023, 04:17:35 AM
I too get "anxiety" from concerts announced with such an advance. It's a show, it's not a wedding, I should not be prepared and commited to it 13 months before.

We need a system to pay in trances for ticket prices, so that you pay a little each month the concert draws closer. And to facilitate tickets exchange between fans, I know it's a thing already, but it should become the norm and an easy system to use.

As I said it's a show, not a wedding, we should not be hostage of a show  ;D

Meanwhile, Japanese dates announced as well.

Bruce solo tour in spring / summer and maybe some selected european summer dates (in markets not touched in 2023, such as Greece where they finally deserve to hear Alex the Great) and maybe an Americas tour before heading to Oz? or would they put South America later in the year since it's in the other emisphere and they could tour in October / November?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 16, 2023, 04:24:19 AM
Do it! $150 is on the higher end, but pretty normal for good seats for Maiden.  Worth it for sure and I'd imagine 10 fold for places like Australia where bands don't tour as often.  I'm jelly, waiting for this show to come to the NYC area.

Oh yeah, there's not doubt about it.  The money isn't a concern for me at all, it's just the mere fact or reserving something 11 months in advance.

My thoughts exactly been chatting to family and friends about this today.

particularly given how many these shows get moved at the last minute due to whatnot and with us having airline and accommodation on top it can be quite costly.

That said I am keen as fck to see this particular show \m/

You not in Sydney or Melbourne mate?

No mate, am sadly an hour flight from Melbourne.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 16, 2023, 04:28:21 AM
Do it! $150 is on the higher end, but pretty normal for good seats for Maiden.  Worth it for sure and I'd imagine 10 fold for places like Australia where bands don't tour as often.  I'm jelly, waiting for this show to come to the NYC area.

Oh yeah, there's not doubt about it.  The money isn't a concern for me at all, it's just the mere fact or reserving something 11 months in advance.

My thoughts exactly been chatting to family and friends about this today.

particularly given how many these shows get moved at the last minute due to whatnot and with us having airline and accommodation on top it can be quite costly.

That said I am keen as fck to see this particular show \m/

You not in Sydney or Melbourne mate?

No mate, am sadly an hour flight from Melbourne.

Ah, Tassie boy?  Yeah, the hesitation it definitely warranted then.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on October 16, 2023, 05:39:10 AM
Yeah, and considering have seen Maiden a few times now and am hoping to finally see Sevendust and few others next year makes it hard...

Keen tho \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 24, 2023, 05:54:20 PM
Just stumbled across this old guy doing acoustic covers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkMNrOsTuRU
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Metro on October 24, 2023, 05:57:12 PM
That was fantastic
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2023, 08:25:35 AM
Quote
Iron Maiden will return to the USA, Canada & Chile with The Future Past Tour in 2024!

Oct 24
4 North Island Credit Union Amphitheatre, San Diego, CA, USA 
5 Michelob ULTRA Arena, Las Vegas, NV, USA 
8 Kia Forum, Los Angeles, CA, USA
12 Aftershock Festival, Sacramento, CA, USA (on sale now)
14 MODA Center, Portland, OR, USA
16 Tacoma Dome, Tacoma, WA, USA
18 Delta Center, Salt Lake City, UT, USA
19 Ball Arena, Denver, CO, USA
22 Xcel Energy Center, St Paul, MN, USA
24 Allstate Arena, Rosemont, IL, USA
26 Scotiabank Arena, Toronto, ON, CANADA
27 Videotron Centre, Quebec, QC, CANADA
30 Centre Bell, Montreal, QC, CANADA

Nov 24
1 Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA, USA
2 Barclays Center, Brooklyn, NY, USA
6 DCU Center, Worcester, MA, USA
8 PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
9 Prudential Center, Newark, NJ, USA
12 CFG Bank Arena, Baltimore, MD, USA
13 Spectrum Center, Charlotte, NC, USA
16 Dickies Arena, Fort Worth, TX, USA
17 Frost Bank Center, San Antonio, TX, USA
27 Estadio Nacional, Santiago, CHILE

Tickets on sale:
Chile – 2 Nov at 12pm (local)
USA & Canada – 3 Nov at 10am (local)

IMFC Presales:
Chile – 30 Oct
USA & Canada –  31 Oct

Trooper VIP will be available for most shows in the USA & Canada.

Further dates for 2024 will be announced in due course.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: KevShmev on October 27, 2023, 08:54:42 AM
Oh sure, I finally get into these clowns, only for them to skip St. Louis. :censored :censored
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on October 27, 2023, 08:57:05 AM
So, Australia in September, the Americas in October, and Bruce is doing selected shows in the summer in Europe.... there's still room for Iron Maiden to add a short number of european dates, not ovelapping with Bruce and visiting markets skipped this year.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2023, 09:02:06 AM
So, Australia in September, the Americas in October, and Bruce is doing selected shows in the summer in Europe.... there's still room for Iron Maiden to add a short number of european dates, not ovelapping with Bruce and visiting markets skipped this year.

Also room for Bruce to tour the US next spring, that's what I'm really hoping for.  Although I'm super psyched for the IM tour in the US.  Barclays and NJ shows are both on Saturdays.  I'm going to have to sign up for the fan club again to try and get great seats for both shows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 27, 2023, 09:04:37 AM
All right, I'll see what I can do to get a good affordable ticket for either the show at the Inglewood Forum or drive down to Chula Vista on a Friday.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 27, 2023, 09:22:44 AM
I'm definitely going - they're playing at a smaller arena in Chicago, where I saw them in 2008 for the Somewhere Back in Time tour, rather than the United Center, which is massive.

Can't wait to see this show!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on October 27, 2023, 09:38:25 AM
So, Australia in September, the Americas in October, and Bruce is doing selected shows in the summer in Europe.... there's still room for Iron Maiden to add a short number of european dates, not ovelapping with Bruce and visiting markets skipped this year.
Given his age, Bruce better use that opportunity to take a rest.  ;D Not to mention the band already toured Europe both in 2022 and 2023. They probably decided to wait a year or so to come to Europe again, in order to have better attendance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2023, 10:39:17 AM
They love Worcester for some reason. I hate going to Worcester. 

Marc, maybe I'll talk Jim into revisiting the Barclay's Center again... that was a fun gig.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2023, 10:43:51 AM
They love Worcester for some reason. I hate going to Worcester. 

Marc, maybe I'll talk Jim into revisiting the Barclay's Center again... that was a fun gig.

Let me know.  My buddy who went last time confirmed he's in for Barclays but not NJ.  My gf said she wants to come to NJ.  I re-signed up for the fan club today.  That should give me access to 4 tickets for each show which I may buy even if I only have one guest for each show.  I'm going to initially be on the hunt for good seats, not floor, this time though. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2023, 12:04:50 PM
They love Worcester for some reason. I hate going to Worcester. 

I like the Centrum, but Worcester is just long enough of a drive that it's a pain in the ass. And on a fucking Wednesday night to boot.

I definitely want to see them but I guess it'll depend on the prices. Last time they came tickets were ridiculously expensive. This'll probably be the last opportunity to see them, but I'm not getting fucked pricewise to do so.

And WTF is with the year in advance.? That pisses me off. I may skip it on principle.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2023, 12:07:16 PM
They love Worcester for some reason. I hate going to Worcester. 

I like the Centrum, but Worcester is just long enough of a drive that it's a pain in the ass. And on a fucking Wednesday night to boot.

I definitely want to see them but I guess it'll depend on the prices. Last time they came tickets were ridiculously expensive. This'll probably be the last opportunity to see them, but I'm not getting fucked pricewise to do so.

And WTF is with the year in advance.? That pisses me off. I may skip it on principle.

My friend Jim and I paid I think $125 a piece and we were literally looking sideways at the back edge of the backline.  I could watch the roadies unpack and pack the inflatables a song before/after they appeared!  :)

the one thing I will say:  I could see Bruce every time he went back stage and EVERY time he was either changing costume, putting on a prop, or sucking oxygen. ANYONE thinking he's phoning it in on these last couple tours has an axe to grind.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
They love Worcester for some reason. I hate going to Worcester. 

I like the Centrum, but Worcester is just long enough of a drive that it's a pain in the ass. And on a fucking Wednesday night to boot.

I definitely want to see them but I guess it'll depend on the prices. Last time they came tickets were ridiculously expensive. This'll probably be the last opportunity to see them, but I'm not getting fucked pricewise to do so.

And WTF is with the year in advance.? That pisses me off. I may skip it on principle.

Your loss.  The reason this happens is because IM are like at an all time high.  The shows will sell, with or without you there.  IM are the only band I go all in trying to get tickets (like signing up for the fan club for the presale).  They are getting old.  Nicko is clearly nearing the end of his ability to do this.  It's worth a lot, fo rme, to see them.

I will say, there's a chance these shows don't do as well as last tour since it seems a lot of the Power Trip people were not happy with the set list  :lol With having boht a NJ and Brooklyn show, they may not both sell out.  Prudential (NJ) sold out last year though so I kind of expect a high demand and good turn out for these shows.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on October 27, 2023, 12:15:05 PM
I'll be hitting wells fargo in Philly. Nice easy 1 hour ride, MUCH BETTER arena than any of my local NY/NJ places, and will get better seats for the money! Lets's go!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2023, 12:23:23 PM
I'll be hitting wells fargo in Philly. Nice easy 1 hour ride, MUCH BETTER arena than any of my local NY/NJ places, and will get better seats for the money! Lets's go!

Never been there, but I quite like both of the other venues.  Brooklyn just sucks to get to from NJ.  My buddy already wants to just get a hotel and make a full day/night out of the event, which I'm totally down to do. Prudential is super easy for me to take the train to from my house and has good sites from the lower level. Price, sure, I'm guessing Philly is going to be cheaper than NY/NJ though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2023, 12:29:36 PM

Your loss.


I'll be the judge of that I guess. I mean I'd much rather go than not go, but there's not one thing that is convenient for me to do so. Everything about it is going to be a major pain in the ass.


  The shows will sell, with or without you there.


They will??  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on October 27, 2023, 12:55:39 PM
I'll be hitting wells fargo in Philly. Nice easy 1 hour ride, MUCH BETTER arena than any of my local NY/NJ places, and will get better seats for the money! Lets's go!

Never been there, but I quite like both of the other venues.  Brooklyn just sucks to get to from NJ.  My buddy already wants to just get a hotel and make a full day/night out of the event, which I'm totally down to do. Prudential is super easy for me to take the train to from my house and has good sites from the lower level. Price, sure, I'm guessing Philly is going to be cheaper than NY/NJ though.

You hit nail on head. For both msg and prudential  if not in lower level, the seats blow, especially prudential. Yes, prudential is really close for me from woodbridge and for maiden, probably would have done that one, but I'll be in Florida at that time next year. As far as the barclay center goes,  :tdwn I hate that arena
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on October 27, 2023, 01:21:08 PM

Your loss.


I'll be the judge of that I guess. I mean I'd much rather go than not go, but there's not one thing that is convenient for me to do so. Everything about it is going to be a major pain in the ass.


  The shows will sell, with or without you there.


They will?? 
:lol

This is their opportunity to play Power Windows from start to finish but nothing from Powerslave.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 27, 2023, 02:24:07 PM
They love Worcester for some reason. I hate going to Worcester. 

I like the Centrum, but Worcester is just long enough of a drive that it's a pain in the ass. And on a fucking Wednesday night to boot.

I definitely want to see them but I guess it'll depend on the prices. Last time they came tickets were ridiculously expensive. This'll probably be the last opportunity to see them, but I'm not getting fucked pricewise to do so.

And WTF is with the year in advance.? That pisses me off. I may skip it on principle.

As much as it goes against everything in me, I got the tickets for down here.  Outlaying that money for something a year away annoys the fuck out if me, but it's more than likely the last time they come down here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on October 27, 2023, 02:32:19 PM
I'm planning on the Denver show. Surprised they haven't announced an opener yet.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on October 27, 2023, 02:46:37 PM
Anybody else notice them playing odd venues? They're playing Dickies in FW this time around, which isn't entirely uncommon for bands nowadays, but its smaller size might cause problems. It greatly increases the odds of them selling out. That greatly increases the odds of Ticketmaster dynamic pricing fuckery, as well as scalpers jumping on it. Going from a 21k to 14k venue this time around seems odd, and more than a little annoying. I'm not in a great position to drop what they'll be asking for a show over a year from now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2023, 02:49:41 PM
They love Worcester for some reason. I hate going to Worcester. 

I like the Centrum, but Worcester is just long enough of a drive that it's a pain in the ass. And on a fucking Wednesday night to boot.

I definitely want to see them but I guess it'll depend on the prices. Last time they came tickets were ridiculously expensive. This'll probably be the last opportunity to see them, but I'm not getting fucked pricewise to do so.

And WTF is with the year in advance.? That pisses me off. I may skip it on principle.

As much as it goes against everything in me, I got the tickets for down here.  Outlaying that money for something a year away annoys the fuck out if me, but it's more than likely the last time they come down here.

Bands going to Australia always seems to be dicey.  Bands coming to the US not so much. You've got way more reason for concern about your show happening. Albeit with their age, anything is up in the air.

I'm planning on the Denver show. Surprised they haven't announced an opener yet.

Yeah, Im curious about the openers.  I hope this doesn't mean a Harris child will be performing.

Anybody else notice them playing odd venues? They're playing Dickies in FW this time around, which isn't entirely uncommon for bands nowadays, but its smaller size might cause problems. It greatly increases the odds of them selling out. That greatly increases the odds of Ticketmaster dynamic pricing fuckery, as well as scalpers jumping on it. Going from a 21k to 14k venue this time around seems odd, and more than a little annoying. I'm not in a great position to drop what they'll be asking for a show over a year from now.

I can't comment about other venues, but it's the same ones they usually play here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: axeman90210 on October 27, 2023, 03:03:25 PM
Oh sure, I finally get into these clowns, only for them to skip St. Louis. :censored :censored

Yeah, no FL date either :( Brooklyn and NJ are both on a Saturday, so those might be doable if flights are cheap, but I don't know if I feel the need to see them again that badly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 27, 2023, 05:17:59 PM
They love Worcester for some reason. I hate going to Worcester. 

I like the Centrum, but Worcester is just long enough of a drive that it's a pain in the ass. And on a fucking Wednesday night to boot.

I definitely want to see them but I guess it'll depend on the prices. Last time they came tickets were ridiculously expensive. This'll probably be the last opportunity to see them, but I'm not getting fucked pricewise to do so.

And WTF is with the year in advance.? That pisses me off. I may skip it on principle.

As much as it goes against everything in me, I got the tickets for down here.  Outlaying that money for something a year away annoys the fuck out if me, but it's more than likely the last time they come down here.

Bands going to Australia always seems to be dicey.  Bands coming to the US not so much. You've got way more reason for concern about your show happening. Albeit with their age, anything is up in the air.

I'm planning on the Denver show. Surprised they haven't announced an opener yet.

Yeah, Im curious about the openers.  I hope this doesn't mean a Harris child will be performing.

Anybody else notice them playing odd venues? They're playing Dickies in FW this time around, which isn't entirely uncommon for bands nowadays, but its smaller size might cause problems. It greatly increases the odds of them selling out. That greatly increases the odds of Ticketmaster dynamic pricing fuckery, as well as scalpers jumping on it. Going from a 21k to 14k venue this time around seems odd, and more than a little annoying. I'm not in a great position to drop what they'll be asking for a show over a year from now.

I can't comment about other venues, but it's the same ones they usually play here.

I wasn't going to mention this, but that's the main sticking point.  I mean, still, if for some reason it doesn't happen on their end, I'll get a refund.  Same thing happened with DT in COVID.  Out layed $300 for two tickets and got postponed for over a year.  We eneded up getting the money back eventually so, meh.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2023, 06:09:04 PM
Including fees?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on October 27, 2023, 09:02:58 PM
Anybody else notice them playing odd venues? They're playing Dickies in FW this time around, which isn't entirely uncommon for bands nowadays, but its smaller size might cause problems. It greatly increases the odds of them selling out. That greatly increases the odds of Ticketmaster dynamic pricing fuckery, as well as scalpers jumping on it. Going from a 21k to 14k venue this time around seems odd, and more than a little annoying. I'm not in a great position to drop what they'll be asking for a show over a year from now.

I think it has to do with the tour - they were in huge arenas for the Legacy tour, at least here in Chicago.  They had the massive production and classic songs.  Now, the stage show is scaled back a bit and the majority of the show comes from two albums so it's a little more of a niche tour.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on October 28, 2023, 05:43:27 AM
Including fees?

I can't even remember if it was a full refund.  We don't have too many fees for these sorts of things here so it was close enough.

With Maiden, the misses said today tickers were close to sold out as we were 2 days late ordering.  Had to get nosebleed seats but at least we got something.  Ended up 100 bucks a ticket so even if something does happen in a yesrs time, it's only $200, so no big issue.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2023, 09:28:46 AM
Got my tickets...

$153 each after fees for the floor at Barclays and $129 each after fees for front row in the top section at Prudential.

Not very happy with the fan club pre-sale.  I was on right on time and quickly got in right after 10am, no issues with ticketmaster or anything.... but they didn't have any of the best seats available for sale.  The best seats they did have could only be bought as a VIP ticket for a few hundred more that included some goodies, but I wasn't paying over $400 for it just to have those seats.  Floor was easily available for both shows, but they clearly are holding back the best seats.  I secured what I can because I'd be shocked if the prices don't go up for the public sale.  Both veneus had some pretty cheap tickets (under $60) available too. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 31, 2023, 09:49:27 AM
The good news is, they are coming to town.  The bad news is, it's a festival show.  99% sure that isn't going to happen.  :(
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on October 31, 2023, 01:24:19 PM
Agree on the frustration with the fan club presale this round. I don't remember there being a higher tier in the past.

Oh well, I think you're going to be hard-pressed to find a ticket for under $100 at any arena.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2023, 01:29:32 PM
Agree on the frustration with the fan club presale this round. I don't remember there being a higher tier in the past.

Oh well, I think you're going to be hard-pressed to find a ticket for under $100 at any arena.

there were plenty of under $100 tickets for the two local shows in the NYC area.  Problem is getting those during the public sale.  I bet those go quickly because there's a huge price different from "decent seat" to "being in the building" I thought the floor prices were decent, but the decent seats (and not even the best seats) were a bit more expensive than I expected. 

The good news is, they are coming to town.  The bad news is, it's a festival show.  99% sure that isn't going to happen.  :(

Yeah, that sucks for the SF area to get the aftershock set and not their own show.  I guess the festival could be awesome, but that's a totally different experience and effort. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 31, 2023, 01:36:52 PM
The good news is, they are coming to town.  The bad news is, it's a festival show.  99% sure that isn't going to happen.  :(

Yeah, that sucks for the SF area to get the aftershock set and not their own show.  I guess the festival could be awesome, but that's a totally different experience and effort. 

Yeah, not to mention that a festival GA ticket is about $400 (unless they later offer single day tickets that are cheaper).  But there is a full 3-day gap between L.A. and Aftershock, so maybe there is a northern CA date that has yet to be announced?  I'm hoping.  I might be willing to travel a bit if necessary.  I just don't know how many more opportunities there will be to see them, and since I never have and this is likely to be a great set for my tastes, this would be the time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2023, 01:43:14 PM
The good news is, they are coming to town.  The bad news is, it's a festival show.  99% sure that isn't going to happen.  :(

Yeah, that sucks for the SF area to get the aftershock set and not their own show.  I guess the festival could be awesome, but that's a totally different experience and effort. 

Yeah, not to mention that a festival GA ticket is about $400 (unless they later offer single day tickets that are cheaper).  But there is a full 3-day gap between L.A. and Aftershock, so maybe there is a northern CA date that has yet to be announced?  I'm hoping.  I might be willing to travel a bit if necessary.  I just don't know how many more opportunities there will be to see them, and since I never have and this is likely to be a great set for my tastes, this would be the time.

There's a large gap in the Northeast dates too that had me wondering if there would be more shows announced.  For Aftershock though, I wouldn't bet on it.  A lot of times those headliners are signing exclusive deals to be doing that show and only that show in the area.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on October 31, 2023, 01:47:03 PM
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me that it would be that way, and I wouldn't expect anything else in the Sac area.  But Reno and San Francisco (or other parts of the Bay Area) are far enough out from the Sac metro area that I wouldn't expect those to necessarily be off limits.  But I could be wrong. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 01, 2023, 09:19:27 AM
Tried to get into the Live Nation presale for Chicago and Ticketbastard is not playing nice. Stupid queue is in play and they text me the code, I enter it and then it tells me something went wrong on their end. Tried a few times and gave up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 01, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
Tried to get into the Live Nation presale for Chicago and Ticketbastard is not playing nice. Stupid queue is in play and they text me the code, I enter it and then it tells me something went wrong on their end. Tried a few times and gave up.

OOC I checked and had no issue looking at tickets, but the issue you are having looks more directed at you as I've had weird issues like that in the past before with trying to log in once entering the queue, but it may have worked now because it's late enough that there is no longer a queue it seems.  LiveNation presale code is "BACKSTAGE" in case anyone else needs it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 01, 2023, 09:51:11 AM
Painful prices. I went with the upper level for what ended up as $91 a ticket. Allstate is not the biggest venue so I don't think it will be that bad. Pretty much dead center on the opposite end of the arena. Figured this might be the last time to see them. Any other seats probably would have run me almost $200 each. Just too much.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 01, 2023, 10:12:51 AM
Painful prices. I went with the upper level for what ended up as $91 a ticket. Allstate is not the biggest venue so I don't think it will be that bad. Pretty much dead center on the opposite end of the arena. Figured this might be the last time to see them. Any other seats probably would have run me almost $200 each. Just too much.
I’m also looking into tickets at that show. Probably gonna end up on the balcony as well. I wonder why they’re not doing United Center this time around?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 01, 2023, 10:15:49 AM
I can get in and choose my tickets, but for some reason, even after unlocking, I can go any further.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 01, 2023, 10:21:23 AM
Painful prices. I went with the upper level for what ended up as $91 a ticket. Allstate is not the biggest venue so I don't think it will be that bad. Pretty much dead center on the opposite end of the arena. Figured this might be the last time to see them. Any other seats probably would have run me almost $200 each. Just too much.
I’m also looking into tickets at that show. Probably gonna end up on the balcony as well. I wonder why they’re not doing United Center this time around?

I think it's because they are touring on the backs of a newer album and a lesser old album so the demand may be lessen which led to them playing in slightly smaller arenas.  Here in the LA area, when they did Legacy of the Beast, they did one show at BMO Stadium in 2019 (which held 20k) and then two shows at the Honda Center in Anaheim in 2022.  This tour, they are only doing The Forum in Inglewood (which is an older building in comparison to the building formerly known as Staples Center and Honda Center and has less seats and less VIP sections).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 01, 2023, 02:27:46 PM
WOOT!! Got my tickets!!!
Somehow two $104 tickets ended up at $275..

I'm good. That's still a lot of fucking money.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 01, 2023, 02:42:27 PM
WOOT!! Got my tickets!!!
Somehow two $104 tickets ended up at $275..

I'm good. That's still a lot of fucking money.

 :metal yeah, i spent $1k on tickets although my friend already paid me his $475 back today.  It's certainly a lot.  Between this and progpower next year, I just emptied my wallet and all this fun isn't until next fall.  Unless something terrible happens, I very much expect it to be worth it though. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 01, 2023, 02:46:54 PM
WOOT!! Got my tickets!!!
Somehow two $104 tickets ended up at $275..

I'm good. That's still a lot of fucking money.

 :metal yeah, i spent $1k on tickets although my friend already paid me his $475 back today.  It's certainly a lot.  Between this and progpower next year, I just emptied my wallet and all this fun isn't until next fall.  Unless something terrible happens, I very much expect it to be worth it though.

The Lovely Mrs TAC informed me that I'll have nothing under the tree this year. :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on November 01, 2023, 04:43:12 PM
Painful prices. I went with the upper level for what ended up as $91 a ticket. Allstate is not the biggest venue so I don't think it will be that bad. Pretty much dead center on the opposite end of the arena. Figured this might be the last time to see them. Any other seats probably would have run me almost $200 each. Just too much.
I’m also looking into tickets at that show. Probably gonna end up on the balcony as well. I wonder why they’re not doing United Center this time around?

I think it's because they are touring on the backs of a newer album and a lesser old album so the demand may be lessen which led to them playing in slightly smaller arenas.  Here in the LA area, when they did Legacy of the Beast, they did one show at BMO Stadium in 2019 (which held 20k) and then two shows at the Honda Center in Anaheim in 2022.  This tour, they are only doing The Forum in Inglewood (which is an older building in comparison to the building formerly known as Staples Center and Honda Center and has less seats and less VIP sections).

What the heck is BMO Stadium?


I just can't bring myself to buy tickets for a concert so far in advance - especially when I had mixed feelings about the last Maiden show, and this one is at the Forum on a Tuesday.  I gave some thought to the Saturday show in Vegas, but there's still the time issue.  If they did floor seats, I might give it some thought, but I ain't fuckin' with a GA floor and whatever mosh pit might develop.  Like Sgt. Murtaugh, I'm too old for this shit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 01, 2023, 04:54:53 PM
^^ It used to be Banc of California Stadium.  The smaller soccer field next to the Coliseum in USC.  They just renamed it to BMO Stadium.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on November 01, 2023, 04:56:23 PM
Ahhh...they really need to stop changing the names of these places!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 01, 2023, 06:26:31 PM

I just can't bring myself to buy tickets for a concert so far in advance - especially when I had mixed feelings about the last Maiden show, and this one is at the Forum on a Tuesday.

It pisses me off on principle.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on November 01, 2023, 08:48:13 PM
Tried to get into the Live Nation presale for Chicago and Ticketbastard is not playing nice. Stupid queue is in play and they text me the code, I enter it and then it tells me something went wrong on their end. Tried a few times and gave up.

I got a random email from Ticketmaster about a presale today, so I bought a ticket.  Section 103, lower bowl, in the corner.  I've actually never sat in this section before.  I was really pissed that there were no seats available in the two sections on each side of the 100 level.  I felt like those were being held back for some other presale.  At least I'm going, and it's definitely a smaller arena than when I saw them last year at the United Center and was so damn high up.  Plus it's a shorter drive for me. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 01, 2023, 09:14:52 PM
Hmmmm.  Cheapest seats at the Forum is $67.00.  Lawn seats at Chula Vista is $48.00.  I think I can wait it out since it's about 11 months in advance.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 02, 2023, 09:54:26 AM
Tried to get into the Live Nation presale for Chicago and Ticketbastard is not playing nice. Stupid queue is in play and they text me the code, I enter it and then it tells me something went wrong on their end. Tried a few times and gave up.

I got a random email from Ticketmaster about a presale today, so I bought a ticket.  Section 103, lower bowl, in the corner.  I've actually never sat in this section before.  I was really pissed that there were no seats available in the two sections on each side of the 100 level.  I felt like those were being held back for some other presale.  At least I'm going, and it's definitely a smaller arena than when I saw them last year at the United Center and was so damn high up.  Plus it's a shorter drive for me.

Yeah, this has been the worst ticket buying experience for IM via the fan club.  I've done this for just about every US tour recently and have always got either the floor eats or solid lower bowl tickets.  I didn't see any good lower bowl seats available for the fan club presale.  I did notice they had some really good lower bowl seats available yesterday with the livenation presale but the prices were jacked from platinum pricing so they were listed for double the price of the floor.

Waiting on tickets may not end up being the worst thing here, especially if you are flexible.  I expected better seats to be available.  I'm not mad about the price I paid for the seats I did get, I'm just annoyed I didn't even get an opportunity for something better at face value via the fan club. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on November 02, 2023, 11:37:22 AM
Tried to get into the Live Nation presale for Chicago and Ticketbastard is not playing nice. Stupid queue is in play and they text me the code, I enter it and then it tells me something went wrong on their end. Tried a few times and gave up.

I got a random email from Ticketmaster about a presale today, so I bought a ticket.  Section 103, lower bowl, in the corner.  I've actually never sat in this section before.  I was really pissed that there were no seats available in the two sections on each side of the 100 level.  I felt like those were being held back for some other presale.  At least I'm going, and it's definitely a smaller arena than when I saw them last year at the United Center and was so damn high up.  Plus it's a shorter drive for me.

Yeah, this has been the worst ticket buying experience for IM via the fan club.  I've done this for just about every US tour recently and have always got either the floor eats or solid lower bowl tickets.  I didn't see any good lower bowl seats available for the fan club presale.  I did notice they had some really good lower bowl seats available yesterday with the livenation presale but the prices were jacked from platinum pricing so they were listed for double the price of the floor.

Waiting on tickets may not end up being the worst thing here, especially if you are flexible.  I expected better seats to be available.  I'm not mad about the price I paid for the seats I did get, I'm just annoyed I didn't even get an opportunity for something better at face value via the fan club.

I had the same issue with ticketbastard. Logged in and ready to go and then I have to authenticate again and it says multiple times that the code was invalid. This was all in the mobile app so I switched over to web and got the code via email and it worked. Cost me a minute which was about 100 spots in line.

I will say that the cost to join the Iron Maiden fan club was a cheaper than it was in the past since they're no longer doing physical mailings. Still disappointed to see the higher tiered tickets as that has not happened before. I wonder if that was their decision. Oh well, still got decent seats and this could be the last show I get to see of them.

I really don't understand how most people can afford these arena shows now a days. Hopefully the artists are getting the majority of this inflation cost for tickets.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 02, 2023, 12:35:31 PM
I really don't understand how most people can afford these arena shows now a days. Hopefully the artists are getting the majority of this inflation cost for tickets.

I go to quite a bit, but not every band is Maiden where I'm more vested in getting the best seats.  So many bands I'm good scoring whatever cheap day of event ticket I can get to save myself a lot of money.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 02, 2023, 12:37:50 PM
  I'm not mad about the price I paid for the seats I did get, I'm just annoyed I didn't even get an opportunity for something better at face value via the fan club.

Totally this. I mean, you're already paying the fan club fee, which is nothing more than a surcharge for a promise to get tickets early.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 03, 2023, 03:48:38 PM
Stranger in a Strange Land live (only audio):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEEm61impBY&t=360s
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on November 03, 2023, 07:55:24 PM
Stranger in a Strange Land live (only audio):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEEm61impBY&t=360s

I'm more excited to hear this song live than I am Alexander the Great.  I fucking love this one and the band sounds awesome. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 05, 2023, 07:12:38 AM
https://www.ironmaiden666.com.br/2023/11/bruce-dickinson-afterglow-of-ragnarok-single-vinyl-7.html?fbclid=IwAR35BaLTvycw61DgmD8HfW4QeLOPTE4l9E2G10YVcBdUg7xL6VPQo5rCzeQ&m=1
Bruce's new single in December 1st, with If Eternity Should Fail as Bside. :tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on November 05, 2023, 11:22:41 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzRhIbstNfc/

An ARG?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 06, 2023, 05:08:10 AM
Many european dates announced for Bruce, including two italian ones  :metal

The band will be:

Bruce
Roy Z
Tanya O'Callaghan (bass)
Dave Moreno (Drums)
Mistheria (keyboards) (didn't he play on Tyranny of Souls?)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 06, 2023, 05:15:51 AM
Dave e Mistheria played on Tyranny. :tup
No Adrian?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 06, 2023, 05:30:44 AM
We can only assume he's not there; his presence would basically be the biggest news of the tour alongside with the actual tour dates, the names I wrote come from an image posted on Instagram by the Maiden account, if his name is not there, it's very unlikely that they'll keep him a surprise.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 06, 2023, 05:43:00 AM
Agreed. Still it's strange to not have a second guitar player.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2023, 08:05:38 AM
Many european dates announced for Bruce, including two italian ones  :metal

The band will be:

Bruce
Roy Z
Tanya O'Callaghan (bass)
Dave Moreno (Drums)
Mistheria (keyboards) (didn't he play on Tyranny of Souls?)

Had to google it, but Tanya sounded familiar, and yeah, she was or is the new bassist for Whitesnake, but their farewell tour fell apart two years ago so I guess she's doing this now.  Cool.  I hope they announce US dates.  Really want to see a Bruce show. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on November 30, 2023, 03:35:42 PM
Behold! the video for Afterglow of Ragnarok is here!!!  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulfvacpvTc&ab_channel=BruceDickinson
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on November 30, 2023, 03:47:14 PM
Boy, I knew the grooviness of Chemical Wedding had gone the way of the dodo without Dave Ingram on drums (and wasn't present in Tyranny of Souls in the first place), but could this have been any more, well, generic "contemporary metal"?

Not bad per se, but I'm kind of bummed at how Bruce's vocals and the rest of the instrumental don't match up rhythm-wise. It's "close enough", but Roy could've either edited it better or just asked Bruce for some re-takes... or perhaps not doing that is the reason why they've been partners for so long  :lol

Anyway, cool beans! Would've also loved to have Bruce louder in the mix (it's his show after all), but he seems pleased to invest everything on the story aspect, so good for him.

Sorry for sounding like a negative nelly, I'm still pumped for the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 30, 2023, 04:11:41 PM
Ooh, I dig it! :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 04:25:06 PM
Not sure what I think of it after one listen to be honest.  Could be a grower.  No real solo though which was interesting.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2023, 04:33:54 PM
Yeah, Bruce is a bit low in this mix and sounds a bit off, at least in the beginning with maybe using an effect or its layered vocals?

Decent song, but doesn't really blow me away on one listen, but my friend texted me saying it sucks and it definitely doesn't suck.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 05:01:24 PM
At first I did think....'err....this kinda blows,' but by the end it got upgraded to a 'solid.'
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on November 30, 2023, 05:42:06 PM
I think it's fine. Might be one of those songs that makes more sense in the context of the full album. Not a bad song or anything I just expected something a bit more dynamic for the first single.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 05:46:08 PM
The riff is beyond generic and a bit awkward too.  Not sure I actually like it.  I probably won't listen again until the album anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2023, 05:56:25 PM
I thought the riff was good
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on November 30, 2023, 06:14:03 PM
Hope the rest of album is BETTER than this. Total meh! It's ok, but I expect more from Bruce.
Oh, and WTF are the North American tour dates? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 30, 2023, 06:50:43 PM
I liked the song, very in line with Tyranny of Souls, that I also like a lot, although not as much as the excellents Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding. Someone commented about Dave's drumming and I agree, he had a better/more interesting groove.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 06:51:54 PM
I liked the song, very in line with Tyranny of Souls, that I also like a lot, although not as much as the excellents Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding. Someone commented about Dave's drumming and I agree, he had a better/more interesting groove.

Such a class, underrated drummer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on November 30, 2023, 06:53:26 PM
I liked the song, very in line with Tyranny of Souls, that I also like a lot, although not as much as the excellents Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding. Someone commented about Dave's drumming and I agree, he had a better/more interesting groove.

Such a class, underrated drummer.
I agree, a lot of really cool drumming on those albums!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on November 30, 2023, 07:08:08 PM
I liked the song, very in line with Tyranny of Souls, that I also like a lot, although not as much as the excellents Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding. Someone commented about Dave's drumming and I agree, he had a better/more interesting groove.

Such a class, underrated drummer.

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on November 30, 2023, 09:57:11 PM
It's a cool song - ridiculously heavy and doomy.  I think it's a MASSIVE riff.  Just a big, sludgy riff o'doom.  I was expecting a faster-paced song for a first single, but I like how different it is.  Bruce sounds amazing, like always, though his vocals do lay back in the mix.

He has a really heavy vocal right at the end - I'm not sure if I've ever heard him sing like that before.

I think my favorite thing about his recent solo efforts is that they tend to be heavier than Maiden, which suits his voice really well.  Maiden has a shitload of melody in the guitars, where the riffs on his last 3 albums have a ton of crunch and hit you like a bag of hammers. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on November 30, 2023, 10:23:18 PM
Sorry for briefly deviating from the Bruce track, but something incredible just happened.

Simon Gallup from The Cure played the opening bass riff from DEATH OF THE CELTS at the end of one of their songs live in Argentina. Right at the 7-minute mark https://youtu.be/4dQcBYM0lbY

What are the odds??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 01, 2023, 01:45:02 AM
Sorry for briefly deviating from the Bruce track, but something incredible just happened.

Simon Gallup from The Cure played the opening bass riff from DEATH OF THE CELTS at the end of one of their songs live in Argentina. Right at the 7-minute mark https://youtu.be/4dQcBYM0lbY

What are the odds??
That was an odd crossover indeed.  ;D

I still haven't heard Bruce's single, but I'm a bit apprehensive now that I'm reading the comments.  :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 01, 2023, 04:30:28 AM
Cover art and tracklist:

(https://loudandproud.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/dickinson2024album-1024x1024.jpg)

01. Afterglow Of Ragnarok (05.45)
02. Many Doors To Hell (04.48)
03. Rain On The Graves (05.05)
04. Resurrection Men (06.24)
05. Fingers In The Wounds (03.39)
06. Eternity Has Failed (06.59)
07. Mistress Of Mercy (05.08)
08. Face In The Mirror (04.08)
09. Shadow Of The Gods (07.02)
10. Sonata (Immortal Beloved) (09.51)


Is track 6 is the answer to the opening track of Book of Souls?  :D

The two longest songs are the last two, I'm very curious about Sonata  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2023, 04:38:26 AM
What a crap cover.

Good to see he is still including Eternity on this one.  I was wondering if it was eventually going to get scraped after using it with Maiden.  I wonder how different it will be.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on December 01, 2023, 05:07:01 AM
Artwork is pretty meh but I'm hyped for it. I honestly think Bruce's solo output is a bit underrated and I would probably even take it over Maiden's output (if you compare the timelines from when Bruce solo started and until it took a hiatus). Chemical Wedding to me is in that same ballpark as the classic Maiden run (quality-wise) and he has a couple other albums that are terrific as well. I know a lot of people would be quick to add Accident of Birth, for me Skunkworks is one I hold very close to my heart. It's different, it's a bit less metal and has more of the 90s Soundgarden/Smashing Pumpkins type vibe, but as someone who loves 90s alternative rock, it hits a spot for me. I also liked Tyranny of Souls a lot, so I'm excited for this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on December 01, 2023, 06:55:45 AM
Bruce had two trilogies of albums: the experimental ones, and the metal ones.

The experimental ones have a lot of hidden gems, it gladdens me to find Skunkworks fans and also Balls to Picasso had great songs and in some cases, even greater B-sides and leftovers. Tattoed Millionaire is kinda weak but it has at least a masterpiece (Son of a Gun).

The metal albums are two absolute masterpieces, one being considered one of the best modern metal albums of all time (at least all the time that starts from 1990 onwards), and a very decent and solid one.

All in all, I say it's a very solid, and diversified, solo carrer. Let's see how the Mandrake Project will round it up!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on December 01, 2023, 07:00:13 AM
Ouch at that font!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on December 01, 2023, 08:24:59 AM
How did the song titles get me more excited? Again? This keeps happening!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on December 01, 2023, 08:45:48 AM
In the second listen. Very solid. Great chorus. Looking forward to the rest!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2023, 08:48:00 AM
What a crap cover.

I'd be curious to know what that coin means, but I can't imagine the meaning saves it from being a crap cover.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 01, 2023, 10:21:34 AM
I dug that, and I'm not usually a fan of pre-releases over the inter webs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on December 01, 2023, 06:15:20 PM
As an opening song think this will definitely work better as an album track...

K so could be slightly generic by Bruce's past standards, but I think that comes down to the modern metal production being too smooth around the edges Bruce sounding a little buried and whatnot but it's a great start to what should prove to be an interesting album.  I do hope the songs don't get too caught up and lost in the concept but keen as f*ck for the album (took me a minute to decide but while not Chemical or Tyranny, I don't hate that cover artwork?).


Glad to see fans of the underrated Skunkworks and Picasso and I'll forever and a day be shouting praise for both Chemical and Accident Of Birth which are forever flip flopping for my #1 Bruce album, blasting Darkside of Aquarius into The Tower is often the perfect quick short fix when time is limited...

I think I had Bruce solo somewhere in or close to my Top10 bands/artists over on the Top25 countdown we just did so yeah, there's that!

Anyway gonna be hugely impatient for this record to drop :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2023, 06:59:52 PM
I was thinking of Skunkworks while listening to this song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on December 02, 2023, 12:47:03 AM
I have no issue at all with the cover.

Accident Of Birth had a fucking terrible cover. Whilst CW wasn't crap, the cover is not aesthetically pleasing to me at all. Tyranny was the best of the metal three. Reasonable vibe.

This is visually balanced and intriguing so, yeah.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2023, 03:52:57 AM
I was thinking of Skunkworks while listening to this song.

You mean as in, 'I wish I were listening to Skunkworks instead of this''
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 02, 2023, 07:34:00 AM
Walmart exclusive
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bruce-Dickinson-The-Mandrake-Project-Limited-Edition-Walmart-Exclusive-Autographed-Print-and-Stencil-Heavy-Metal-2-LP/5195359990?from=/search
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on December 02, 2023, 07:50:31 AM
I was thinking of Skunkworks while listening to this song.

You mean as in, 'I wish I were listening to Skunkworks instead of this''

Can't say I disagree  :)

I'm very excited about the album, but I was slightly underwhelmed by the single, at least after a couple of listens
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 03, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
You guys scared me as if this song were some sort of an abomination, but it was actually pretty good. I like the riffs, the chorus is probably the highlight, and it's also cool to see Bruce is obsessed with Blake as usual. The voice is a bit low in the mix, which shouldn't be the case with a song where the voice is the main draw.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 05, 2023, 08:45:23 AM
I went to preorder the Deluxe Book edition from Bruce's US store as the price was decent and then when I got to shipping they wanted over $20 just to ship. So it was a US Store in currency only and not in location.

Today, I saw Amazon has the Deluxe up for preorder for $31.99 so I pulled the trigger there. I miss out on an autographed thing or something, but not spending $20+ on shipping.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on December 05, 2023, 09:16:24 AM
I went to preorder the Deluxe Book edition from Bruce's US store as the price was decent and then when I got to shipping they wanted over $20 just to ship. So it was a US Store in currency only and not in location.

Today, I saw Amazon has the Deluxe up for preorder for $31.99 so I pulled the trigger there. I miss out on an autographed thing or something, but not spending $20+ on shipping.

LP or CD?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2023, 09:21:21 AM
Walmart exclusive
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bruce-Dickinson-The-Mandrake-Project-Limited-Edition-Walmart-Exclusive-Autographed-Print-and-Stencil-Heavy-Metal-2-LP/5195359990?from=/search

I actually bought this  :lol I don't even collect Vinyl, but seemed cool.  I'll buy the digital download of the album on release and hold onto this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 05, 2023, 09:49:04 AM
I went to preorder the Deluxe Book edition from Bruce's US store as the price was decent and then when I got to shipping they wanted over $20 just to ship. So it was a US Store in currency only and not in location.

Today, I saw Amazon has the Deluxe up for preorder for $31.99 so I pulled the trigger there. I miss out on an autographed thing or something, but not spending $20+ on shipping.

LP or CD?

CD

https://www.amazon.com/Mandrake-Project-Bruce-Dickinson/dp/B0CP8N4G2H/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3R2BZDMGXIJU2&keywords=bruce+dickinson&qid=1701794891&s=music&sprefix=%2Cpopular%2C355&sr=1-2

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81Zet5e2eqL._SX425_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 05, 2023, 09:52:40 AM
The single CD will be fine for me. I don’t need the comic book.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 05, 2023, 01:27:18 PM
The single CD will be fine for me. I don’t need the comic book.

Yeah same.  I really have interest in a comic book.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 05, 2023, 01:41:46 PM
The single CD will be fine for me. I don’t need the comic book.

Yeah same.  I really have interest in a comic book.  :lol

Well, if you really have interest you should pick it up then.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on December 05, 2023, 01:44:06 PM
Hey, give wolfking a break. He's been too busy coming up with hints for the album cover game.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 05, 2023, 01:48:50 PM
Bah.  I just woke up and was typing on my phone without any corrective eyewear.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on December 05, 2023, 02:30:54 PM
I like comics but don't need one based on a record or band (Maiden just published a Piece Of Mind one too)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 05, 2023, 02:38:21 PM
I'm not going to shit on the comic, I think the idea is to buy something collectable more so than to necessarily enjoy the comic. 

Funny enough, I bought a Kamelot Silverthorn special edition album that came with a small short story book inside that I bought with the idea that I would read it.  I realized in September I had never even taken it out of the plastic  :lol My point being, some people are buying this for the uniqueness and collective parts than what the actual content is.

That LP Minostro shared comes with a signed print, which is why I bought it even though I don't have a record player or any intent on collecting vinyl.  It seems like a cool collectable to me. I may not even open it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on December 13, 2023, 05:30:12 PM
https://www.magentamusik.de/iron-maiden-woa-konzert-vod
Some live footage from Wacken.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 14, 2023, 03:07:43 AM
What a crap cover.

I'd be curious to know what that coin means, but I can't imagine the meaning saves it from being a crap cover.

Literally - "Stopped by Death, Not Imprisonment" - basically "Death Before Prison"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on December 14, 2023, 08:04:20 AM
What a crap cover.

I'd be curious to know what that coin means, but I can't imagine the meaning saves it from being a crap cover.

Literally - "Stopped by Death, Not Imprisonment" - basically "Death Before Prison"

thanks, but meh  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on December 23, 2023, 09:16:45 AM
Happy 67th Birthday, Dave Murray! :metal
That guy doesn’t age.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on December 23, 2023, 01:44:56 PM
Happy 67th Birthday, Dave Murray! :metal
That guy doesn’t age.

I remembered this yesterday but forgot to post.  Yeah wow, 67!  Still going so strong.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2024, 02:19:01 PM
New Bruce solo single!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE4xNUB2Q5E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE4xNUB2Q5E)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2024, 02:25:01 PM
New Bruce solo single!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE4xNUB2Q5E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE4xNUB2Q5E)

I like it! :metal

Has a real Deep Purple feel to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2024, 02:25:36 PM
Yeah now that I listened, I enjoy this quite a bit!  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 24, 2024, 03:47:53 PM
Weird almost spoken verses, awesome chorus, over the top cheesy (one of those situations where cheesy is a compliment) video. I love how he's evidently having so much fun in doing these videos. He must have loved every minute of posing as a well dressed gentleman and acting in a mini movie  :D

While I do like the song, I hope once the album is out we'll all be thinking "why didn't he pick any other of these 4-5 far better songs as a second single?"
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on January 24, 2024, 06:47:53 PM
Yep, some Deep Purple vibes in there...

Two songs in, I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed. It feels a bit...plodding...overall. The production is kinda lifeless, so there's that too (I mean, I appreciate it's not one of those modern, super-loud ones, but I don't love the sound itself).

Of course I'm reserving judgement for when the whole thing is out, but I was expecting to be a little more excited. It doesn't help that I just revisited Accident of Birth a couple of days ago, I suppose  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2024, 06:50:07 PM
I've only listened to each song once, but I feel like I like this one better than the first one, but I liked the first one.

I think this song has major grower potential, and I'm actually even more looking forward to this album now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 25, 2024, 02:51:42 AM
That song was a lot better than the first.  A bit different which is cool.  Although, Bruce is pushing on that chorus and his vocals are a bit grating IMO.  I think it should have been half a step lower in key.  It was distracting for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on January 25, 2024, 06:04:09 AM
Yep, some Deep Purple vibes in there...

Two songs in, I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed. It feels a bit...plodding...overall. The production is kinda lifeless, so there's that too (I mean, I appreciate it's not one of those modern, super-loud ones, but I don't love the sound itself).

Of course I'm reserving judgement for when the whole thing is out, but I was expecting to be a little more excited. It doesn't help that I just revisited Accident of Birth a couple of days ago, I suppose  ;)

+1

100% my thoughts also, right down to the sound, expecting to be a little more excited and having revisited Accident Of Birth again recently (not unusual  :metal).

Let's hope we do a 180 on albums release...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on January 25, 2024, 10:22:41 AM
Yep, some Deep Purple vibes in there...

Two songs in, I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed. It feels a bit...plodding...overall. The production is kinda lifeless

So...sort of a Senjutsu Part 2?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2024, 10:43:58 AM
I've only listened to each song once, but I feel like I like this one better than the first one, but I liked the first one.

I think this song has major grower potential, and I'm actually even more looking forward to this album now.

This is me as well.  One listen each, first song was good but didn't wow me at all.  Second song was also good but I felt like it was unique and would grow on more listens. I jsut don't want to spoil an album I'm really looking forward to so I'm not going to give these too many listens at all for now.   But because this song was better, I'm now thinking the album does have more potential than it did after the first single. 

Hopefully the rest of the album is even better, which is entirely possible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on January 25, 2024, 02:49:30 PM
Yep, some Deep Purple vibes in there...

Two songs in, I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed. It feels a bit...plodding...overall. The production is kinda lifeless

So...sort of a Senjutsu Part 2?

:)


Except not as good (I did enjoy Senjutsu), at least based on these…

Make of that what you will  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2024, 07:36:01 PM
Janick!! 67 today!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on January 27, 2024, 08:09:04 PM
Funny how some of the gritty parts in the vocals remind me of old Paul Di'Anno (only with a lot more control).

What I don't really dig is the chorus. For an album that's been years in the making, the chorus sadly sounds a bit thrown together at the last minute. Apparently the last track was also pretty much sung "on the spot" according to Bruce in a recent interview, so maybe that freshness excites Bruce.

The video might be what I dug the most! Clearly Bruce and the gang are having fun, which is good.

Nothing wrong with the track, but this album isn't shaping up to suddenly be a favorite of mine. Which is fine.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 28, 2024, 04:17:03 AM
Janick!! 67 today!

 :metal  Such an underrated member!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 28, 2024, 06:12:06 AM
Janick!! 67 today!

 :metal  Such an underrated member!
Especially if one likes the Reunion Era. His fingerprints are all over it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 28, 2024, 04:22:00 PM
The reunion era as a whole wouldn't be anywhere near as diverse or exciting as it is without him there.  He gives it a certain edge with some of the best songs scattered throughout.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 28, 2024, 05:43:04 PM
The reunion era as a whole wouldn't be anywhere near as diverse or exciting as it is without him there.  He gives it a certain edge with some of the best songs scattered throughout.
Mind giving some examples of his best contributions? In all honesty, he's always been my least favorite member (besides Blaze) and they lost me with AMoLaD. Even DoD was just OK, and when I heard El Dorado, pretty much gave up on Maiden. Still love the stuff from the 80s, BNW and even most of NPFtD, but otherwise I gave up on them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 28, 2024, 06:31:04 PM
The reunion era as a whole wouldn't be anywhere near as diverse or exciting as it is without him there.  He gives it a certain edge with some of the best songs scattered throughout.
Mind giving some examples of his best contributions? In all honesty, he's always been my least favorite member (besides Blaze) and they lost me with AMoLaD. Even DoD was just OK, and when I heard El Dorado, pretty much gave up on Maiden. Still love the stuff from the 80s, BNW and even most of NPFtD, but otherwise I gave up on them.

The Talisman
Dance of Death
The Book of Souls
The Legacy
The Alchemist
Montsegur
Ghost of the Navigator
Out of the Silent Planet

The Talisman is a top 5 Maiden song for me and DOD, TBOS and TL are 3 songs that are 3 of the best reunion songs for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 28, 2024, 06:40:18 PM
The reunion era as a whole wouldn't be anywhere near as diverse or exciting as it is without him there.  He gives it a certain edge with some of the best songs scattered throughout.
Mind giving some examples of his best contributions? In all honesty, he's always been my least favorite member (besides Blaze) and they lost me with AMoLaD. Even DoD was just OK, and when I heard El Dorado, pretty much gave up on Maiden. Still love the stuff from the 80s, BNW and even most of NPFtD, but otherwise I gave up on them.


El Dorado blows Scotty. The rest of The Final Frontier is amazing. The Book Of Souls has some great moments, and Senjutsu is fantastic.


Janick's best songs..

Dance Of Death
The Talisman
The Book Of Souls
The Legacy
Montesegur


I think Janick takes some heat for his solos, but I honestly think it's due to him trying to find some space between Dave and Adrian. His solos on Tattooed Millionaire are quite melodic. Not sure how Kade feels, but I think he might be their best rhythm player. It's usually his lead lines you hear in the verses underneath the vocal lines. I know some people don't care for that, but I like it. Also, he has tremendous pick control, especially while being so energetic on stage.

The other thing that to me is underrated about the Reunion Era is that I simply don't think it's as effective without the band's chemistry. Sure, they could make a great living touring off of the 80's like so many other forgettable bands, but they've been both productive and have made music that has pushed their own boundaries...for them of course. I think Janick is a "glue guy".  He has a great personality that blends with everyone.

I know he can be a bit clownish on stage, but I can't imagine going to a Maiden show, and not seeing him there whooping it up.


One other thing...I know No Prayer blows, and Janick had nothing to do with that, but that tour was incredible. He brought so much energy to the show, and I thought he really unlocked Dave's personality.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 28, 2024, 06:59:45 PM
The reunion era as a whole wouldn't be anywhere near as diverse or exciting as it is without him there.  He gives it a certain edge with some of the best songs scattered throughout.
Mind giving some examples of his best contributions? In all honesty, he's always been my least favorite member (besides Blaze) and they lost me with AMoLaD. Even DoD was just OK, and when I heard El Dorado, pretty much gave up on Maiden. Still love the stuff from the 80s, BNW and even most of NPFtD, but otherwise I gave up on them.


El Dorado blows Scotty. The rest of The Final Frontier is amazing. The Book Of Souls has some great moments, and Senjutsu is fantastic.


Janick's best songs..

Dance Of Death
The Talisman
The Book Of Souls
The Legacy
Montesegur


I think Janick takes some heat for his solos, but I honestly think it's due to him trying to find some space between Dave and Adrian. His solos on Tattooed Millionaire are quite melodic. Not sure how Kade feels, but I think he might be their best rhythm player. It's usually his lead lines you hear in the verses underneath the vocal lines. I know some people don't care for that, but I like it. Also, he has tremendous pick control, especially while being so energetic on stage.

The other thing that to me is underrated about the Reunion Era is that I simply don't think it's as effective without the band's chemistry. Sure, they could make a great living touring off of the 80's like so many other forgettable bands, but they've been both productive and have made music that has pushed their own boundaries...for them of course. I think Janick is a "glue guy".  He has a great personality that blends with everyone.

I know he can be a bit clownish on stage, but I can't imagine going to a Maiden show, and not seeing him there whooping it up.


One other thing...I know No Prayer blows, and Janick had nothing to do with that, but that tour was incredible. He brought so much energy to the show, and I thought he really unlocked Dave's personality.

I've never given any thought about the 3 of them in a rhythm sense to be honest.  I will echo what you say about his right hand technique though, it's very fluid and relaxed so I can see why you'd think he's the best rhythm wise. 

I agree about the chemistry he brings too and I think takes some pressure off Dave and Adrian.  I think both of them value him as much as they do each other.  Plus his songs in the reunion era add that extra something to give it much more diversity within the albums. 

He gets heat for a lot of his live solos and yeah, sometimes they are shit, but as a lead player, a lot of his solos are fucking fantastic and melodically as good as Dave or Adrian.  Plus his signature style slower solos like Wasting Love, Blood Brothers and 2AM are fucking amazing, what's not to like?  There's nothing in the studio he's done that I don't like.  He's a fucking great guitar player.  Speaking of Tattooed Millionaire and those slower solos, Son of A Gun, just fucking brilliant.  You can't knock the playing on that.

You are also correct, the bands performance on stage between the 80's to the two tours afterwards is next level.  He certainly allowed or did something with Dave to let him let his hair down.  Donington 92 is still one of my fav concerts due to the energy from the entire band.  There's no coincidence the bands stage energy went up when Janick joined.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on January 29, 2024, 12:05:07 AM
I've never given any thought about the 3 of them in a rhythm sense to be honest.  I will echo what you say about his right hand technique though, it's very fluid and relaxed so I can see why you'd think he's the best rhythm wise. 

I agree about the chemistry he brings too and I think takes some pressure off Dave and Adrian.  I think both of them value him as much as they do each other.  Plus his songs in the reunion era add that extra something to give it much more diversity within the albums. 

He gets heat for a lot of his live solos and yeah, sometimes they are shit, but as a lead player, a lot of his solos are fucking fantastic and melodically as good as Dave or Adrian.  Plus his signature style slower solos like Wasting Love, Blood Brothers and 2AM are fucking amazing, what's not to like?  There's nothing in the studio he's done that I don't like.  He's a fucking great guitar player.  Speaking of Tattooed Millionaire and those slower solos, Son of A Gun, just fucking brilliant.  You can't knock the playing on that.

You are also correct, the bands performance on stage between the 80's to the two tours afterwards is next level.  He certainly allowed or did something with Dave to let him let his hair down.  Donington 92 is still one of my fav concerts due to the energy from the entire band.  There's no coincidence the bands stage energy went up when Janick joined.

Too bad the concert video (or the editing) is seizure inducing - but I guess that's a reflection of the live energy  :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on January 29, 2024, 01:49:51 AM
Glad to see some love for Janick. I agree about his musical importance in the reunion era, and how he surely must be a good glue between all the personalities.

I mean, Steve Harris is no moron and he's never suffered fools, do you think he'd keep the guys around for more than 3 decades if he was not offering anything of value musically and personally? he also appreciates loyalty, Janick came and gave them a shot in the arm in the No Prayer tour, if the three guitars thing wouldn't have worked out, Adrian would have gone, not Janick. Yeah, he prances around on stage, and sometimes he's not that precise, who cares - as long as he's not making blatant mistakes, no one who isn't a guitarist, in the frenzy of the concert and the loud volume, is gonna notice. Singers.... anyone can realize the way they're singing, but the musicians? if you're not a musician yourself and you're not extremely focused on the performance, you won't realize little mistakes, only the major screwups.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2024, 02:41:59 AM
I've never given any thought about the 3 of them in a rhythm sense to be honest.  I will echo what you say about his right hand technique though, it's very fluid and relaxed so I can see why you'd think he's the best rhythm wise. 

I agree about the chemistry he brings too and I think takes some pressure off Dave and Adrian.  I think both of them value him as much as they do each other.  Plus his songs in the reunion era add that extra something to give it much more diversity within the albums. 

He gets heat for a lot of his live solos and yeah, sometimes they are shit, but as a lead player, a lot of his solos are fucking fantastic and melodically as good as Dave or Adrian.  Plus his signature style slower solos like Wasting Love, Blood Brothers and 2AM are fucking amazing, what's not to like?  There's nothing in the studio he's done that I don't like.  He's a fucking great guitar player.  Speaking of Tattooed Millionaire and those slower solos, Son of A Gun, just fucking brilliant.  You can't knock the playing on that.

You are also correct, the bands performance on stage between the 80's to the two tours afterwards is next level.  He certainly allowed or did something with Dave to let him let his hair down.  Donington 92 is still one of my fav concerts due to the energy from the entire band.  There's no coincidence the bands stage energy went up when Janick joined.

Too bad the concert video (or the editing) is seizure inducing - but I guess that's a reflection of the live energy  :P

That is the only downfall of the video but I guess it was the first VHS I purchased and watched it each afternoon after school so I'm probably biased here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2024, 02:43:08 AM
Glad to see some love for Janick. I agree about his musical importance in the reunion era, and how he surely must be a good glue between all the personalities.

I mean, Steve Harris is no moron and he's never suffered fools, do you think he'd keep the guys around for more than 3 decades if he was not offering anything of value musically and personally? he also appreciates loyalty, Janick came and gave them a shot in the arm in the No Prayer tour, if the three guitars thing wouldn't have worked out, Adrian would have gone, not Janick. Yeah, he prances around on stage, and sometimes he's not that precise, who cares - as long as he's not making blatant mistakes, no one who isn't a guitarist, in the frenzy of the concert and the loud volume, is gonna notice. Singers.... anyone can realize the way they're singing, but the musicians? if you're not a musician yourself and you're not extremely focused on the performance, you won't realize little mistakes, only the major screwups.

From memory when the discussions with Bruce happened about rejoining he said he wouldn't come back without Adrian.  Just seemed to fall in place.  I doubt there was any ever thought of not having all 3.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 29, 2024, 05:48:19 AM
Glad to see some love for Janick. I agree about his musical importance in the reunion era, and how he surely must be a good glue between all the personalities.

I mean, Steve Harris is no moron and he's never suffered fools, do you think he'd keep the guys around for more than 3 decades if he was not offering anything of value musically and personally? he also appreciates loyalty, Janick came and gave them a shot in the arm in the No Prayer tour, if the three guitars thing wouldn't have worked out, Adrian would have gone, not Janick. Yeah, he prances around on stage, and sometimes he's not that precise, who cares - as long as he's not making blatant mistakes, no one who isn't a guitarist, in the frenzy of the concert and the loud volume, is gonna notice. Singers.... anyone can realize the way they're singing, but the musicians? if you're not a musician yourself and you're not extremely focused on the performance, you won't realize little mistakes, only the major screwups.

From memory when the discussions with Bruce happened about rejoining he said he wouldn't come back without Adrian.  Just seemed to fall in place.  I doubt there was any ever thought of not having all 3.

But Mirror is correct; Steve has said point blank that if it DIDN'T work, Adrian was gone, not Janick.  I rag on him, because he's my least favorite of the three (Davey is the bomb) but I do respect his contributions. He's just got to stop with the Cinderella guitar swing, man.  Ugh. 

He also co-wrote my favorite Fish solo song, "A View From The Hill", so there's that too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2024, 01:29:08 PM
Glad to see some love for Janick. I agree about his musical importance in the reunion era, and how he surely must be a good glue between all the personalities.

I mean, Steve Harris is no moron and he's never suffered fools, do you think he'd keep the guys around for more than 3 decades if he was not offering anything of value musically and personally? he also appreciates loyalty, Janick came and gave them a shot in the arm in the No Prayer tour, if the three guitars thing wouldn't have worked out, Adrian would have gone, not Janick. Yeah, he prances around on stage, and sometimes he's not that precise, who cares - as long as he's not making blatant mistakes, no one who isn't a guitarist, in the frenzy of the concert and the loud volume, is gonna notice. Singers.... anyone can realize the way they're singing, but the musicians? if you're not a musician yourself and you're not extremely focused on the performance, you won't realize little mistakes, only the major screwups.

From memory when the discussions with Bruce happened about rejoining he said he wouldn't come back without Adrian.  Just seemed to fall in place.  I doubt there was any ever thought of not having all 3.

But Mirror is correct; Steve has said point blank that if it DIDN'T work, Adrian was gone, not Janick.  I rag on him, because he's my least favorite of the three (Davey is the bomb) but I do respect his contributions. He's just got to stop with the Cinderella guitar swing, man.  Ugh. 

He also co-wrote my favorite Fish solo song, "A View From The Hill", so there's that too.

Wow, I didn't know that part!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on January 29, 2024, 03:53:19 PM

He also co-wrote my favorite Fish solo song, "A View From The Hill", so there's that too.

You know, I JUST listened to Vigil today, and I was going to mention it on the thread, given the chatter around Gers. Funny. Great album and great song!

Back to Gers…Not a huge fan of his style, to be honest, but I agree with the general sentiment here on his good influence on Maiden as a “band”..
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on January 30, 2024, 01:58:14 PM
Re Janick - I don't much enjoy his typical leads for Maiden, but he's a great writer for the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 30, 2024, 02:17:27 PM
I ragged on Janick a lot in the earlier days of his tenure, but then, Adrian is my favorite guitarist so there was some added sting.

As time went on, I have grown to respect him quite a bit. I noticed that many of my favorite tracks has him as a co-writer on them. Plus, I think he got better live as time went on. I remember the last time I saw them was when DT was opening (MP was still there), after the show was over and we were in the car I said to my friends, 'is it me, or was Janick really nailing it tonight?', and they all agreed. They were going to say the same thing.

So, nothing but respect for the guy now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 30, 2024, 02:25:11 PM
On stage, I do everything I can to ignore Janick. SO ANNOYING!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 30, 2024, 03:48:47 PM
First (short) review of the album, I believe: https://roadiecrew.com/roadie-crew-278-jan-fev/
(personally I like a lot this specific reviewer, BUT I'm doubting that this album will land for me as a 9.5/10. I would give that to Accident of Birth, which is my Bruce's favorite)

I trusted a bit on Google Translator, so, sorry for any mistakes:
BRUCE DICKINSON - THE MANDRAKE PROJECT (9.5/10)
Not that Bruce Dickinson has stood still - which he literally can't do, by the way - but 19 years is really a long time to wait for a new solo album. Fortunately, The Mandrake Project is exactly what fans expected, especially those who were anxious about the quality of the previous three albums. With the same team from Tyranny of Souls (2005) on the instrumental part - Roy Z (guitar and bass), Maestro Mistheria (keyboards) and Dave Moreno (drums), with Tanya O'Callaghan taking over the four strings on the tour - and the partnership with his right-hand man Roy on the creative side, Dickinson gave birth to a work that transcends music, as you can see in the interview that illustrates the cover of this edition. Furthermore, he can boast of having recorded some of the best songs of his career,  and one of them has a particular spotlight: Sonata (Immortal Beloved), the most beautiful song you will hear in 2024 (yes, my money is on this), with a chorus whose simplicity is a triumph thanks to an emotional interpretation by Dickinson, as well as a Pink Floyd-like ending that highlights Roy Z's fingers... Fantastic! For those who were waiting for a simpler ballad, to put alongside Tears of the Dragon and Man of Sorrows, there is Face in the Mirror, so everyone leaves satisfied, especially because the rest of the material is well above average. And Afterglow of Ragnarok, believe me, doesn't do it justice alone, especially with the great Many Doors to Hell (more hard/classic rock, with a touch of Scorpions at the beginning) and Rain on the Graves (with something of Alice Cooper in both sections instrumentals and spoken vocal melody) coming next. The Iron Maiden vibes don't just appear in the wonderful Eternity Has Failed, which became If Eternity Should Fail nine years ago at the hands of Iron Maiden, who respected its structure; and that's because Mistress of Mercy could very well be one of those blockbuster tracks, and the guitar theme before the solo is just a confirmation. And after all this, there are three tracks that still manage to stand out with praise: the powerful and surprising Resurrection Men, the short but rich Fingers in the Wounds and Shadow of the Gods, in which Dickinson shows why he is one of the greatest vocalists of all the time.

Tracklist: 01 - Afterglow of Ragnarok 05:45; 02 - Many Doors to Hell 04:48; 03 - Rain on the Graves 05:04; 04 - Resurrection Men 06:23; 05 - Fingers in the Wounds 03:38; 06 - Eternity Has Failed 06:58; 07 - Mistress of Mercy 05:07; 08 - Face In the Mirror 04:07; 09 - Shadow of the Gods 07:01; 10 - Sonata (Immortal Beloved) 09:50.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2024, 04:51:21 PM
Sonata (Immortal Beloved), the most beautiful song you will hear in 2024 (yes, my money is on this)

I'm glad the review is so positive, but it's hard to take it seriously with this sort of statement.  If it were in the second half of the year, fair enough, but January?  Come on?!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 30, 2024, 06:28:40 PM
Sonata (Immortal Beloved), the most beautiful song you will hear in 2024 (yes, my money is on this)

I'm glad the review is so positive, but it's hard to take it seriously with this sort of statement.  If it were in the second half of the year, fair enough, but January?  Come on?!

 :D :D
As a brazilian, I guess what he really meant to say is "this song is so incredibly gorgeous that I can't imagine any other song that still will come out this year will surpass it". Yes, probably, he's exaggerating a bit, but, overall, my musical tastes have a lot of affinity with his - so probably I will at least like this album a lot. But, like I said before, very very hard to believe that this album will better than Accident of Birth (or Chemical Wedding) for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on January 31, 2024, 08:26:37 AM
Sonata (Immortal Beloved), the most beautiful song you will hear in 2024 (yes, my money is on this)

I'm glad the review is so positive, but it's hard to take it seriously with this sort of statement.  If it were in the second half of the year, fair enough, but January?  Come on?!

As someone who does reviews, I HATE reviewers that tell me I'm going to like it or I'm going to be "satisfied".  Tell me what to expect, put it in context, but I don't really care if you LOVE it or not, or whether you think I will love it or not. You don't know me!  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on January 31, 2024, 10:12:20 AM
About expecting Sonata being the most beautiful song this year this soon, for me, I can only imagine listening to something at the same level of Silent Lucidity or Dust in the Wind (and I know, it seems like Sonata isn't the same kind of ballad) and feel this way. I remember when I've listened to Silent Lucidity for the first time when Empire was released, I immediately thought "if people in general hear this song, they will LOVE it and it will be a number one on MTV". And this was literally what happened later, for weeks!(at least here in Brazil). BTW, Tears of the Dragon is the definitive Bruce's ballad, it will be hard to top that and I'm OK with that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on January 31, 2024, 07:37:14 PM
About expecting Sonata being the most beautiful song this year this soon, for me, I can only imagine listening to something at the same level of Silent Lucidity or Dust in the Wind (and I know, it seems like Sonata isn't the same kind of ballad) and feel this way. I remember when I've listened to Silent Lucidity for the first time when Empire was released, I immediately thought "if people in general hear this song, they will LOVE it and it will be a number one on MTV". And this was literally what happened later, for weeks!(at least here in Brazil). BTW, Tears of the Dragon is the definitive Bruce's ballad, it will be hard to top that and I'm OK with that.

+1
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 31, 2024, 07:42:30 PM
Tears Of The Dragon is amazing.

So is Omega.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 31, 2024, 08:02:41 PM
Tears Of The Dragon is amazing.

So is Omega.

Such an underrated cut.  Roy's part of the solo is incredible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on January 31, 2024, 08:03:58 PM
Tears Of The Dragon is amazing.

So is Omega.

Such an underrated cut.  Roy's part of the solo is incredible.

Yeah, the solos are great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 31, 2024, 08:10:32 PM
Tears Of The Dragon is amazing.

So is Omega.

Such an underrated cut.  Roy's part of the solo is incredible.

Yeah, the solos are great.

Possibly the only song I'd take Roy's solo over Adrian but both are so different and perfect for their parts in the song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on January 31, 2024, 08:20:06 PM
But, like I said before, very very hard to believe that this album will better than Accident of Birth (or Chemical Wedding) for me.

I've been meaning to come back to this.  To me, it in no way CAN top either CW or AOB.  I know I'm very biased towards those albums and I have only heard two out of ten songs from the new one, but we've lived with both of those classic albums for up to 25 years or more depending on when you discovered them.  That's a long time and to a certain degree, the pair hits a certain benchmark IMO.  For something in the current time to upset even one of these is just something that really I think is impossible.  These two albums and the time they came out and everything around them just felt special and they've had that time to chalk up their status and age in peoples minds.

I just hope the new one is a GOOD album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2024, 08:05:34 AM
But, like I said before, very very hard to believe that this album will better than Accident of Birth (or Chemical Wedding) for me.

I've been meaning to come back to this.  To me, it in no way CAN top either CW or AOB.  I know I'm very biased towards those albums and I have only heard two out of ten songs from the new one, but we've lived with both of those classic albums for up to 25 years or more depending on when you discovered them.  That's a long time and to a certain degree, the pair hits a certain benchmark IMO.  For something in the current time to upset even one of these is just something that really I think is impossible.  These two albums and the time they came out and everything around them just felt special and they've had that time to chalk up their status and age in peoples minds.

I just hope the new one is a GOOD album.

Yeah, I kind of doubt it will be better than either of those, but it doesn't need to be better, just good and there's a lot of room for that underneath those two albums.  But if it is just as good or better, than I think I'm in for a very pleasant listening experience.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on February 01, 2024, 11:13:51 AM
Tears Of The Dragon is amazing.

So is Omega.

Listened to it after a long time. Indeed it's literally 99.9% amazing as Tears of The Dragon. ;) :heart
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2024, 11:14:28 AM
+1 on the love for Omega, amazing song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 01, 2024, 11:58:15 AM
+1 on the love for Omega, amazing song.

+2

I'm not bothered by some hyperbole in reviews. If the reviewer is so entusiastic that he just has to say "ok, we already have the best song of 2024" so be it. I don't need a review to rise my expectation about the long, closing track of an upcoming Bruce solo album  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2024, 02:06:37 PM
It is extremely rare that I even read reviews. It's just some dude's opinion.
I'm always skeptical of reviews anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on February 01, 2024, 03:27:57 PM
I like to read reviews more to have an idea about the overall direction of the album, what to expect of some tracks in style, than to create expectations about how much I will like the album (ok, maybe a little expectation, if I already have some affinity with the reviewer or the site or the magazine).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 01, 2024, 03:47:09 PM
It is extremely rare that I even read reviews. It's just some dude's opinion.
I'm always skeptical of reviews anyway.

Yeah, I gave up on reviews a long time ago.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 02, 2024, 12:30:16 AM
Tears Of The Dragon is amazing.

So is Omega.

Yep and so is Arc Of Space!

All a terrific finale to am exceptional album.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 02, 2024, 07:40:52 AM
https://metalitalia.com/articolo/bruce-dickinson-il-nuovo-album-the-mandrake-project-traccia-per-traccia/

Italian track by track, if you trust Google Translate.

In very, very short:

01. AFTERGLOW OF RAGNAROK
Not representative of the whole album 'cause the album is varied.

02. MANY DOORS TO HELL
Standard simple song, hammond organ, melodic.

03. RAIN ON THE GRAVES
Not among the best of the album.

04. RESURRECTION MAN
Western atmosphere, acoustic guitar, Morricone feel, then the electric part comes in, nice chorus, then it changes mood and goes into Sabbath territory.

05. FINGERS IN THE WOUNDS
Keyboard led, there's piano and acoustic guitars, but it's not really a ballad, some arab-ey melodies and there's a good solo in the Kashmir, Gates of Babylon vein.

06. ETERNITY HAS FAILED
It's just the demo for If Eternity Should Fail.

07. MISTRESS OF MERCY
The most "Accident of Birth" track, '90s feel. Title track, Road to Hell and Starchildren are mentioned for reference.

08. FACE IN THE MIRROR
The first "true" ballad, simple but poignant.

09. SHADOW OF THE GODS
Structured like Omega in the sense that the first half is a (piano) ballad, then it gets heavier. It's a progression - starts acoustic, then orchestral, and then the heaviness arrives.

10. SONATA (IMMORTAL BELOVED)
Described as very experimental, dreamy, a bit of a WTF song that didn't fully convince the reviewer, the more it goes on, the more it goes off the tangent and off the "classic song structure", giving the impression that Bruce is just randomly improvizing vocal lines like if the song was an embryonic one.  Totally did not expect such a description.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 08, 2024, 07:23:08 AM
Rodrigo talked with Dennis Stratton yesterday; here's the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4P1mSxMVuI
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 08, 2024, 09:06:30 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2024, 09:09:47 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.

It's not the album people would've wanted after any album.

I mean, I like a number of tracks, but it's simply too weak on so many levels.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2024, 09:15:15 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.

It's not the album people would've wanted after any album.

I mean, I like a number of tracks, but it's simply too weak on so many levels.

Yeah, I think I agree with the idea that the album feels more like their Dianno years than the 7th Son album, but I also agree that the songs generally just aren't good that I don't know if it would have been received better if released then.  It could have actually been a detriment to their career if they did.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 08, 2024, 09:15:43 AM
The idea was intriguing. Hey, we've taken the bombastic, refined, almost symphonic approach as far as we could go with Seventh Son, how about we strip it down for a contrast? we gave you as b-sides Prowler sang by Bruce, now imagine, a raw album like the debut but with Bruce! how cool would it be?

narrator's voice: turns out the album wasn't that cool after all.....
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 08, 2024, 09:17:41 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.
I agree that it's an outlier, but out of curiosity, would you include FoaD in that category? I think they're both outliers and both overall rather unlikable. As TAC said, good songs on both, but neither was a good album, and to my ear they sound quite similar.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2024, 09:20:57 AM
I happen to think Fear Of The Dark is light years ahead of No Prayer. It's 3-4 songs too long. Unfortunately they included B-side material to fill their first album of the CD age.

Personally, I love Fear Of The Dark, that is a stripped down 8 or 9 song version.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on February 08, 2024, 09:44:05 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.

It's not the album people would've wanted after any album.

I mean, I like a number of tracks, but it's simply too weak on so many levels.

Yeah, I think I agree with the idea that the album feels more like their Dianno years than the 7th Son album, but I also agree that the songs generally just aren't good that I don't know if it would have been received better if released then.  It could have actually been a detriment to their career if they did.

I agree, mainly because I feel the Dianno years output is vastly superior to both No Prayer and Fear. I can only see Afraid to Shoot Strangers belonging in IM or Killers.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on February 08, 2024, 10:54:45 AM
I happen to think Fear Of The Dark is light years ahead of No Prayer. It's 3-4 songs too long. Unfortunately they included B-side material to fill their first album of the CD age.

Personally, I love Fear Of The Dark, that is a stripped down 8 or 9 song version.
I mostly associate them because of Bruce's vocals. Distinct from what he sounded like both before and after those two albums. Add to that you could take songs from both rather tepid albums and make one very good album, Bruce's vocals not withstanding. And of course the fact that they both suck compared to the two albums that bookended them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 08, 2024, 11:31:16 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.
I agree that it's an outlier, but out of curiosity, would you include FoaD in that category? I think they're both outliers and both overall rather unlikable. As TAC said, good songs on both, but neither was a good album, and to my ear they sound quite similar.

I would include FoTD with No Prayer, I often look at them as Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. I think you could get a pretty good album if you took the best tracks from each.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2024, 11:40:03 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.
I agree that it's an outlier, but out of curiosity, would you include FoaD in that category? I think they're both outliers and both overall rather unlikable. As TAC said, good songs on both, but neither was a good album, and to my ear they sound quite similar.

I would include FoTD with No Prayer, I often look at them as Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. I think you could get a pretty good album if you took the best tracks from each.

A combo would certainly be light years better, but probably still wouldn't compete with most of the rest of IM's catalog IMO. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 08, 2024, 12:22:32 PM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.

I agree with your concept, but not as it applies to that period of Maiden's evolution.  I think Number was the perfect extension of Killers.  It took the galloping rhythm (Another Life), the concept of the twin guitars (not fully explored on the debut) and the epic non-traditional songwriting (Murders In The Rue Morgue; Killers) and took them to the next level, but with the epic air raid siren vocals of a true metal frontman (Di'Anno, as great as he was, was always a punk in the musical sense of the word).  There's none of that on NPFTD.  No Prayer is an AC/DC record in more ways than just Dickenson's vocal stylings. 

I think No Prayer was Dickenson subtlely - or not, as is turned out - and not so successfully - as it turned out - asserting his co-dominance with Harris, something he now shares in the reunion era.   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 12, 2024, 03:50:31 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.
I agree that it's an outlier, but out of curiosity, would you include FoaD in that category? I think they're both outliers and both overall rather unlikable. As TAC said, good songs on both, but neither was a good album, and to my ear they sound quite similar.

Fear for me is Maiden's worst Bruce album, and their 2nd weakest overall.  It feels completely directionless, but that in turn does feel a bit like the reaction to the negativity to No Prayer.

I'm a bit of a No Prayer defender - It's nowhere near top tier, but I think there 6 worst Maiden albums and a couple of others that it's on par with.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2024, 03:56:02 AM
FOTD used to just make my Maiden top 5, I love it.  Not sure if I would these days though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 12, 2024, 04:58:06 AM
Bruce was notably unhappy with the way No Prayer came out - not so much the songwriting, but the production. It was one of the last albums to use the Rolling Stones Mobile Studio, with technology that was already outdated. Fear of the Dark was a little better production-wise, but at the same time I absolutely HATE Nicko's drums on that album. It's bloated, full of songs that are also in the hard rock vein, but without charm and/or direction. I mean...Weekend Warriors? The Apparition? Come on, that's not the Maiden we grew to love in the 80's. Not sure what they were going for on that one.

 Out of curiosity, the Rolling Stones Mobile Studio is now sitting in a museum in Calgary, along with the drum kit that Neil Peart used to record the "hockey theme".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 12, 2024, 05:22:24 AM
Yes but the entire Fear Of The Dark album is sved by Judas Be My Guide. :lol

Hands down a Maiden deep cut classic  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 12, 2024, 05:42:26 AM
Yes but the entire Fear Of The Dark album is sved by Judas Be My Guide. :lol

Hands down a Maiden deep cut classic  :metal

 An ok song, made better by how much many of the songs around it suck.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 12, 2024, 07:01:45 AM
Yes but the entire Fear Of The Dark album is sved by Judas Be My Guide. :lol

Hands down a Maiden deep cut classic  :metal

Definitely, I've always loved that song. So underrated.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: jjrock88 on February 12, 2024, 08:59:15 AM
I always thought Weekend Warrior was awesome too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 12, 2024, 11:23:29 AM
Just a random thought.  The evolution of Maiden is pretty logical and can been pretty easily traced though their discography - but No Prayer seems like a complete outlier, it feels like it should fit between Killers and Beast.  I wonder if it's reputation would have been higher if it was released then, I personally thinks it a solid collection of tracks, but it just wasn't the album people wanted from Maiden after 7th.
I agree that it's an outlier, but out of curiosity, would you include FoaD in that category? I think they're both outliers and both overall rather unlikable. As TAC said, good songs on both, but neither was a good album, and to my ear they sound quite similar.

Fear for me is Maiden's worst Bruce album, and their 2nd weakest overall.  It feels completely directionless, but that in turn does feel a bit like the reaction to the negativity to No Prayer.

I'm a bit of a No Prayer defender - It's nowhere near top tier, but I think there 6 worst Maiden albums and a couple of others that it's on par with.

At the time, following Powerslave, each successive album was worse than the one before it.  In retrospect, I regard NPFTD as being better than both SSOASS and Fear.  Both SSOASS and Fear have songs that are better than anything on NPFTD, but NPFTD (similar to SIT) is far more consistent and doesn't have as many low moments as SS and Fear.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2024, 11:37:57 AM
Yes but the entire Fear Of The Dark album is sved by Judas Be My Guide. :lol

Hands down a Maiden deep cut classic  :metal

If by that you mean "From Here To Eternity" I'm with you!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 12, 2024, 02:25:44 PM
FOTD and NPFTD. Hmm

FOTD

Wasting Love is ok. Be Quick too. JbMG and FoTD songs are great. The rest is just head scratchingly "off" to me. Was disappointed with it when it came out and my opinion hasn't changed.

NPFTD

No Prayer I never had a problem with when it came out but actually it's way off too. Never play it. I like the title track and Public Enema (despite the crappy title). Hooks In You is appalling but the riff is fantastic. Bring Your Daughter is bad. BUT - Run Silent Run Deep is up there with Judas Be My Guide for me. I completely love it. Triplet chugging verse. Massive chorus. Great subject matter.

4 crappy albums across that decade. Was a loooong 10 years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2024, 03:03:01 PM
FOTD and NPFTD. Hmm

FOTD

Wasting Love is ok. Be Quick too. JbMG and FoTD songs are great. The rest is just head scratchingly "off" to me. Was disappointed with it when it came out and my opinion hasn't changed.

NPFTD

No Prayer I never had a problem with when it came out but actually it's way off too. Never play it. I like the title track and Public Enema (despite the crappy title). Hooks In You is appalling but the riff is fantastic. Bring Your Daughter is bad. BUT - Run Silent Run Deep is up there with Judas Be My Guide for me. I completely love it. Triplet chugging verse. Massive chorus. Great subject matter.

4 crappy albums across that decade. Was a loooong 10 years.

Made it a little challenging to be a fan, no?  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 12, 2024, 03:05:05 PM
Wow, so many great tunes across those 4 albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2024, 04:20:29 PM
Wow, so many great tunes across those 4 albums.

Absolutely.

 
Here's a controversial one for you all. these days, I probably listen to more of those albums than I do of the 80's stuff.  I just listened to No Prayer the other day.  PEN1 and FW are two fantastic songs.  Dave was in fine form here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 13, 2024, 01:30:49 AM
Thing that always amazes me about Maiden is the near complete lack of original non album tracks there are.  They must be laser focused in the studio or they are sitting on a vault of stuff!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 13, 2024, 01:56:44 AM

4 crappy albums across that decade. Was a loooong 10 years.

Made it a little challenging to be a fan, no?  :)

Oh, it did. I remember mainly feeling sad. :lol By the time VXI came out I'd effectively come to terms with it and didn't even buy it. (Not to do with Blaze. I loved Wolfsbane so was happy with him as a choice.) Someone actually gave me an EMI promo pressing of the album a long time after it came out. I only listened to it when I heard Bruce and Adrian were coming back. I quite enjoy Futureal and Clansman.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 13, 2024, 02:52:12 AM
I was fortunate (or tbf unfortunate depending how you see it) that I didn't come into the Maiden fold properly until the early 90's.  I mean sure I knew a little of them but it wasn't until after my Queensryche obsession did I properly hunt out all things Ed.  So what that allowed for was a slightly less unbiased exploration of 90's Maiden.

Even then could appreciate where they wanted go with it but thought the crux of NPFTD was terribly misplaced and FOTD a decent attempt at righting the ship.  And while not without its faults I loved and still love The X Factor.  Be it the huge shift in product, Blaze or the dark as fuck subject matter and whatnot, dunno but X Factor left a huge mark on the ears (although am grateful it snuck in before Bruce came back with two home runs in Accident and Chemical Wedding  :lol) and in turn also enjoyed Virtual XI for what it was.

Anyway, regardless all that came some excellent songs of which some remain personal highlights, JBMGuide, Be Quick Or Be Dead, Public Enema, From Here To Eternity, Tailgunner FOTD and The Fugitive...

But can't deny had I been a fan during their prime I possibly would've taken far less from 90's Maiden but as it was I enjoyed a lot of the output during that decade  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on February 13, 2024, 06:22:11 AM


At the time, following Powerslave, each successive album was worse than the one before it.  In retrospect, I regard NPFTD as being better than both SSOASS and Fear.  Both SSOASS and Fear have songs that are better than anything on NPFTD, but NPFTD (similar to SIT) is far more consistent and doesn't have as many low moments as SS and Fear.

Well, THAT is one hot take  :biggrin:

(I mean, SSOASS is top 5 Maiden for me, so I clearly have a very high opinion of it...but still  ;))
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 13, 2024, 06:45:20 AM
SSOASS is Top 1 Maiden for me, so yeah. Hot take indeed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 13, 2024, 07:06:33 AM
The only low moment of Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is after the last note of Only The Good Die Young. Because the album ends.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 13, 2024, 07:11:15 AM
Yep, 7th is my #1 Maiden also :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 13, 2024, 07:23:12 AM
The only low moment of Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is after the last note of Only The Good Die Young. Because the album ends.

Granted I've never been a fan of The Prophecy, but the rest of the album more than makes up for it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on February 13, 2024, 08:04:11 AM
Fear of the Dark is awesome and so much better than No Prayer.

Be Quick or Be Dead
From Here to Eternity
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Fear Is the Key
Childhood's End
Wasting Love
The Fugitive
Judas Be My Guide    :metal
Fear of the Dark

All great songs that I've always enjoyed.  The album is a little bloated, but that's why players now have a skip button.   :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on February 13, 2024, 09:58:12 AM
I do overall agree that FOTD>NPFTD, although neither sits very high in my Maiden ranking

The only low moment of Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is after the last note of Only The Good Die Young. Because the album ends.

 :) Can't say I disagree

(although, yes, The Prophecy is not among the best they've done...)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 13, 2024, 10:17:21 AM


At the time, following Powerslave, each successive album was worse than the one before it.  In retrospect, I regard NPFTD as being better than both SSOASS and Fear.  Both SSOASS and Fear have songs that are better than anything on NPFTD, but NPFTD (similar to SIT) is far more consistent and doesn't have as many low moments as SS and Fear.

Well, THAT is one hot take  :biggrin:

(I mean, SSOASS is top 5 Maiden for me, so I clearly have a very high opinion of it...but still  ;))

I didn't realize until I first started posting here how highly SSOASS was regarded.  The funny thing is that the title track and Moonchild were my #2 and #8 songs when we did the Maiden countdown in 2022.  However, I'd rank almost everything on NPFTD over almost everything else on SSOASS.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on February 13, 2024, 10:30:34 AM
I hold SSOASS pretty high (probably my #3) but I honestly think the singles from it are what brings it down. Can I Play With Madness especially is down there among my least favorites out of their radio singles. It's not bad but it's not particularly great either IMO.

As for the FotD discussion, that album has grown on me. It's a bit of a muddled album that's all over the place but some of the risks really pay off. Fear is the Key is a personal favorite of mine and I think at least half of that album is memorable songs. I think its unfair to lump it together with No Prayer (which often happens) because the most memorable song on that album (for good or bad) is a Bruce Dickinson solo song that isn't even that great.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on February 13, 2024, 06:04:04 PM
i love SSOASS
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2024, 06:07:01 PM
I hold SSOASS pretty high (probably my #3) but I honestly think the singles from it are what brings it down. Can I Play With Madness especially is down there among my least favorites out of their radio singles. It's not bad but it's not particularly great either IMO.

As for the FotD discussion, that album has grown on me. It's a bit of a muddled album that's all over the place but some of the risks really pay off. Fear is the Key is a personal favorite of mine and I think at least half of that album is memorable songs. I think its unfair to lump it together with No Prayer (which often happens) because the most memorable song on that album (for good or bad) is a Bruce Dickinson solo song that isn't even that great.

That's easily the worst song on the album IMO.  On par with Hooks in You.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on February 13, 2024, 08:37:59 PM
I love NPFTD. In terms of personal favorites, it's part of my heart's trifecta with the first album and Dance of Death. Which doesn't mean it's better than the others, or that there isn't a lot in the other albums that I love dearly.

I wouldn't go to bat for NPFTD because I realize some parts of it are a bit... exotic compared to the rest of the band's discography (the light-hearted Holy Smoke, the kinda cheesy Assassin, and Hooks in You had to grow on me over years), but damn, there are some great moments in this. The title track in particular really moves me every time. I also LOVE Run Silent Run Deep, even though Bruce himself doesn't like his own lyrics (his loss!). Public Enema Number One, Mother Russia, Tailgunner... there is a lot to love here (for me).

They said they wanted to recover the vibe of their early years, and I'd say they failed: what they came up with was an unpolished album that contrasts SSOASS directly... I'm glad both albums exist (and all the others).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 14, 2024, 09:07:03 AM
I hold SSOASS pretty high (probably my #3) but I honestly think the singles from it are what brings it down. Can I Play With Madness especially is down there among my least favorites out of their radio singles. It's not bad but it's not particularly great either IMO.

As for the FotD discussion, that album has grown on me. It's a bit of a muddled album that's all over the place but some of the risks really pay off. Fear is the Key is a personal favorite of mine and I think at least half of that album is memorable songs. I think its unfair to lump it together with No Prayer (which often happens) because the most memorable song on that album (for good or bad) is a Bruce Dickinson solo song that isn't even that great.

That's easily the worst song on the album IMO.  On par with Hooks in You.


...Daughter blows on every level; it's a joke that doesn't connect.  But I actually LIKE Hooks In You.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on February 14, 2024, 03:41:45 PM
I will say something heretical here, but I prefer NPFTD and FOTD to any of the reunion era albums. Honestly the only weak songs from those albums are Holy Smoke, Hooks in You, Bring Your Daughter and From Here from Eternity. Still... they all have their moments and are kind fun. Despite No Prayer having 3 weaker tracks, I really love the others and Fear have quite forgotten gems like Be Quick, Fear is the Key, The Fugitive, Chidhood's End and Judas Be My Guide. Despite the very good quality of the reunion albums (with GREAT quality in a lot of the songs), I think they all lack the more rocker/energetic attitude and heaviness that Maiden had until Fear and never truly brought it back. I thought when Bruce came back, we would have this back, because I think his solo career, although different, also has that vibe (by the way, I have a similar take comparing Bruce's solo albums with modern Maiden). But, unfortunately it didn't happen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 14, 2024, 04:10:00 PM
I will say something heretical here, but I prefer NPFTD and FOTD to any of the reunion era albums. Honestly the only weak songs from those albums are Holy Smoke, Hooks in You, Bring Your Daughter and From Here from Eternity. Still... they all have their moments and are kind fun. Despite No Prayer having 3 weaker tracks, I really love the others and Fear have quite forgotten gems like Be Quick, Fear is the Key, The Fugitive, Chidhood's End and Judas Be My Guide. Despite the very good quality of the reunion albums (with GREAT quality in a lot of the songs), I think they all lack the more rocker/energetic attitude and heaviness that Maiden had until Fear and never truly brought it back. I thought when Bruce came back, we would have this back, because I think his solo career, although different, also has that vibe (by the way, I have a similar take comparing Bruce's solo albums with modern Maiden). But, unfortunately it didn't happen.

I can understand this mate.  I think the reunion albums do what they set out to do perfectly but I can see what you mean.  You do have the songs like Rainmaker, Wicker Man etc. but yes, I can see how they lack the attitude that some of these songs had.  I guess the band grew older too, so maybe it's just a natural progression.  But that's a fair point on thinking Bruce bringing that heaviness back after his solo albums but I guess at the end of the day, it's Steve's band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on February 14, 2024, 06:01:37 PM
No doubt, it's Steve's call and Maiden didn't change so drastically in style from X Factor to Senjutsu, although much better done with Bruce and Adrian. But, again, see Judas Priest, they still manage to create albums with that kind of energy. Different bands, different members dynamics and all, but I kind of envy how Priest sounds today compared to Maiden.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 14, 2024, 06:06:24 PM
I will say something heretical here, but I prefer NPFTD and FOTD to any of the reunion era albums. 

This is a hot take, brother!


I need to catch up with this thread, but I had to get that in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 14, 2024, 06:12:07 PM
No doubt, it's Steve's call and Maiden didn't change so drastically in style from X Factor to Senjutsu, although much better done with Bruce and Adrian. But, again, see Judas Priest, they still manage to create albums with that kind of energy. Different bands, different members dynamics and all, but I kind of envy how Priest sounds today compared to Maiden.

I'd easily take Maiden's late journey over Priests, Priest is very spotty but Firepower was remarkable and I'm thinking a focal point of what you are saying.  The whole reunion era in relation to Maiden is pretty special to me and grows in appreciation as time goes on.  I think what you say about it though has a lot of merit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DragonAttack on February 14, 2024, 06:34:05 PM
Came across this today, and hope it's something new for some.  I did get a kick out of it

(https://i.imgur.com/fb5DNY8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 14, 2024, 06:38:33 PM
Nice!
Nope, never seen that before.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 14, 2024, 07:00:35 PM
Fear of the Dark is awesome and so much better than No Prayer.

Be Quick or Be Dead
From Here to Eternity
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Fear Is the Key
Childhood's End
Wasting Love
The Fugitive
Judas Be My Guide    :metal
Fear of the Dark

All great songs that I've always enjoyed.  The album is a little bloated, but that's why players now have a skip button.   :)

So, I'm usually skipping FHTE, but otherwise, it's still 8 songs deep, easy. I agree with you on the tracks too.

Childhood's End is amazing, and I love Fear Is The Key. It's a total Deep Purple tribute.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 14, 2024, 07:11:19 PM
Fear of the Dark is awesome and so much better than No Prayer.

Be Quick or Be Dead
From Here to Eternity
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Fear Is the Key
Childhood's End
Wasting Love
The Fugitive
Judas Be My Guide    :metal
Fear of the Dark

All great songs that I've always enjoyed.  The album is a little bloated, but that's why players now have a skip button.   :)

So, I'm usually skipping FHTE, but otherwise, it's still 8 songs deep, easy. I agree with you on the tracks too.

Childhood's End is amazing, and I love Fear Is The Key. It's a total Deep Purple tribute.

It really is, and the solo section is amazing.  Fear is the Key is good, you've always said the Deep Purple thing and I hear it.  Janick rips on that one too.

FHTE is one of those songs where one day I think it's pretty fun but other days it's cringey.  I guess it's both but again the solo section is awesome.  Both Dave and Janick produced some of the best solos sections on these two albums in Maiden's whole career.  They both go ape shit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 14, 2024, 07:14:21 PM
Yeah, Fear Of The Dark just seemed like a much more solid Maiden album after No Prayer. I mean, it was obvious to me as soon as I got it. I cut them some slack for including a handful of b-side tracks. I feel like if they had to stick to LP lengths, they'd have made the appropriate edits and it would be much better regarded.

No Prayer doesn't have that excuse.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 14, 2024, 07:17:21 PM
Yeah, Fear Of The Dark just seemed like a much more solid Maiden album after No Prayer. I mean, it was obvious to me as soon as I got it. I cut them some slack for including a handful of b-side tracks. I feel like if they had to stick to LP lengths, they'd have made the appropriate edits and it would be much better regarded.

No Prayer doesn't have that excuse.

Unfortunately, this is true.  It has a few amazing tracks, but does limp home with what's on offer.  FOTD does have that bloat to give it some buffer.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: pg1067 on February 15, 2024, 09:59:17 AM
Came across this today, and hope it's something new for some.  I did get a kick out of it

(https://i.imgur.com/fb5DNY8.jpg)

What's the album in the bottom right?  I increased the size, but that just pixelated it, so I couldn't read the words.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 15, 2024, 10:26:28 AM
Heard the new Bruce. Really liked my first listen this morning, and will do a deeper dive in the coming days.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on February 15, 2024, 11:28:38 AM
Came across this today, and hope it's something new for some.  I did get a kick out of it

(https://i.imgur.com/fb5DNY8.jpg)

What's the album in the bottom right?  I increased the size, but that just pixelated it, so I couldn't read the words.

New Kids on the Block - Hangin' Tough

I guess Satan brought us devil music and boy bands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on February 15, 2024, 11:30:49 AM
Satan's really selling a lot of his 90s black/war metal worshippers short here. Talk about being ungrateful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 15, 2024, 11:35:18 AM
Came across this today, and hope it's something new for some.  I did get a kick out of it

(https://i.imgur.com/fb5DNY8.jpg)

What's the album in the bottom right?  I increased the size, but that just pixelated it, so I couldn't read the words.

New Kids on the Block - Hangin' Tough

I guess Satan brought us devil music and boy bands.

I think that's really funny, that Satan inspired NKOTB.  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 15, 2024, 11:52:51 AM
Heard the new Bruce. Really liked my first listen this morning, and will do a deeper dive in the coming days.

I posted some pages ago a track by track italian review, where I summarized the main description of the songs, do you agree with that?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 15, 2024, 12:04:59 PM
Heard the new Bruce. Really liked my first listen this morning, and will do a deeper dive in the coming days.

I posted some pages ago a track by track italian review, where I summarized the main description of the songs, do you agree with that?

Can you repost?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 15, 2024, 12:26:35 PM
Here we go:

https://metalitalia.com/articolo/bruce-dickinson-il-nuovo-album-the-mandrake-project-traccia-per-traccia/

Italian track by track, if you trust Google Translate.

In very, very short:

01. AFTERGLOW OF RAGNAROK
Not representative of the whole album 'cause the album is varied.

02. MANY DOORS TO HELL
Standard simple song, hammond organ, melodic.

03. RAIN ON THE GRAVES
Not among the best of the album.

04. RESURRECTION MAN
Western atmosphere, acoustic guitar, Morricone feel, then the electric part comes in, nice chorus, then it changes mood and goes into Sabbath territory.

05. FINGERS IN THE WOUNDS
Keyboard led, there's piano and acoustic guitars, but it's not really a ballad, some arab-ey melodies and there's a good solo in the Kashmir, Gates of Babylon vein.

06. ETERNITY HAS FAILED
It's just the demo for If Eternity Should Fail.

07. MISTRESS OF MERCY
The most "Accident of Birth" track, '90s feel. Title track, Road to Hell and Starchildren are mentioned for reference.

08. FACE IN THE MIRROR
The first "true" ballad, simple but poignant.

09. SHADOW OF THE GODS
Structured like Omega in the sense that the first half is a (piano) ballad, then it gets heavier. It's a progression - starts acoustic, then orchestral, and then the heaviness arrives.

10. SONATA (IMMORTAL BELOVED)
Described as very experimental, dreamy, a bit of a WTF song that didn't fully convince the reviewer, the more it goes on, the more it goes off the tangent and off the "classic song structure", giving the impression that Bruce is just randomly improvizing vocal lines like if the song was an embryonic one.  Totally did not expect such a description.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 15, 2024, 12:33:00 PM
Kind of agree, but that's a VERY simplistic review. For now, Resurrection Man and Fingers in the Wounds are my favorite tracks so far. And it's symptomatic to me that Bruce was questioning whether or not eternity would fail in 2015, and now after facing health issues and being confronted with his own mortality, he's sure that "eternity HAS failed".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 15, 2024, 01:06:36 PM
Is Sonata really THAT weird btw?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on February 15, 2024, 02:02:58 PM
From hellonearthmetalzine:
https://hellonearthmetalzine.com/2024/02/06/review-bruce-dickinson-the-mandrake-project-2024/

The wait for Bruce Dickinson’s new solo album has been long. A whole nineteen years have passed since the man released his previous solo record, “Tyranny of Souls”. At the same time, we’ve been given hints that Dickinson has long been working on a solo album. Already in 2015, we got to hear the first song from what Dickinson had been tinkering with when “If Eternity Should Fail” was included on Iron Maiden’s “The Book of Souls”. The song was taken from his upcoming solo album. This song is also featured on “The Mandrake Project” … but under the title “Eternity Has Failed”. However, it’s not very different from the version released by Iron Maiden.

“The Mandrake Project” kicks off vigorously and heavily with “Afterglow of Ragnarok” – which was also the first single and video from the album. The production by Dickinson’s long-time collaborator, guitarist Roy Z, is evident. It continues with “Many Doors To Hell”, which is lighter and has a catchy chorus. Dickinson’s voice is crystal clear, and it’s almost unbelievable to think that he’s now 65 years old. “Rain on the Graves” is the song that stands out the most on the album. It gives off blues vibes, and Bruce almost speaks (raps) in the verse, while the chorus is typically melodious Dickinson solo. Additionally, it has some dramatic synths that give the song an even greater distinctive character. Perhaps it’s not surprising that this became the second song released as a video. “Resurrection Men” is also very catchy with a very nice chorus. The song ranks high among the favorites on the album. “Fingers in the Wounds” slows it down again before the aforementioned “Eternity Has Failed” takes over as one of the highlights of the album. It’s worth noting that the song now has longer solo parts consisting of both a guitar solo and a keyboard solo. So it differs a bit from the version we’re familiar with from Iron Maiden. “Mistress of Mercy” has a typical Roy Z riff, and this could easily have been included on an album like “Balls to Picasso.” “Face in the Mirror” is the album’s ballad. A quiet, beautiful song beautifully sung by Dickinson. Thoughts drift to “Navigate the Seas of the Sun.” Perhaps not as good a song, as the latter is one of Dickinson’s finest songs, but not far off. “Shadow of the Gods” starts quietly but takes a dark and heavy turn midway through the song. While the last part of the song is majestic. The closing track, “Sonata (Immortal Beloved)”, is perhaps “The Mandrake Project’s” most special and artistic piece. This is a quiet song with a lot of drama. It’s also the album’s longest song at almost ten minutes, which also means the longest song of all Dickinson’s solo songs. Bruce sings absolutely fantastically on this one, and it’s a truly beautiful conclusion to “The Mandrake Project”.

As an album, “The Mandrake Project” is strong in every possible way. Each song has its own distinctive character and belongs here. Although the album isn’t one hundred percent a concept album, it’s not far off and can be read more about in a longer comic book that can be purchased. The wait for almost 20 years is over, and it’s delightful to conclude that it has also been worth it. “The Mandrake Project” is one of Dickinson’s strongest albums and can be equated with the two fantastic albums from the late 90s; “Accident of Birth” and “The Chemical Wedding.” It doesn’t get any better, and fans of Bruce Dickinson have nothing to fear.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 15, 2024, 02:33:05 PM
Glowing reviews like that kinda bother me. I'll try to write a more balanced one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 15, 2024, 04:01:34 PM
I can see why people have a problem with the last track. With this being a concept album, one would expect a bombastic track, to end things in dramatic fashion. That’s not what this last song brings. But it’s not bad. Overall, it’s amazing to see Bruce taking stylistic risks on this album. It’s like he’s Jim Gaffigan in Maiden, and Dave Chapelle in his solo career.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 16, 2024, 06:15:35 AM
Glowing reviews like that kinda bother me. I'll try to write a more balanced one.

I don't know who wrote that, so if it's a friend, or if it originated in a different language, I apologize, but in that incarnation, in that translation, that's a horrible review. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on February 16, 2024, 10:23:30 AM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-announces-two-new-guitarists-for-solo-band-southern-california-warm-up-show?fbclid=IwAR052QuYQKfk7nVWlgQsk82Y_97oDTQ2rhWw2uFAB544WeaSzgzYKn1T3Ro
At least we'll have 2 guitar players.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 16, 2024, 10:49:21 AM
https://blabbermouth.net/news/bruce-dickinson-announces-two-new-guitarists-for-solo-band-southern-california-warm-up-show?fbclid=IwAR052QuYQKfk7nVWlgQsk82Y_97oDTQ2rhWw2uFAB544WeaSzgzYKn1T3Ro
At least we'll have 2 guitar players.

Wait, what???  He consulted with Kurt Sutter on this?   
Wait, what???  His wife Leanna?   
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 16, 2024, 11:05:15 AM
Glowing reviews like that kinda bother me. I'll try to write a more balanced one.

I don't know who wrote that, so if it's a friend, or if it originated in a different language, I apologize, but in that incarnation, in that translation, that's a horrible review.

Yes. And the album version of "Eternity Has Failed " is not "just a demo version of If Eternity Should Fail". Not at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 20, 2024, 08:20:23 AM
Interview I did with Blaze Bayley about his new album, which is even better than the previous one: https://youtu.be/NwhFfGvQNxI?si=RHacm5-eo43AAPB6
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 20, 2024, 08:41:29 AM
Man, that guy never gets exhausted, doesn't he?  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 20, 2024, 09:45:46 AM
Man, that guy never gets exhausted, doesn't he?  ;D

I interviewed him twice...usually I need about 20 questions for anyone I talk to, but with Blaze I only need 5 or 6!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 20, 2024, 12:58:11 PM
Awww, hell.  Bruce is going to be in Santa Ana in April?  That show is going to be a quick sell-out.  I would have liked to see Bruce play in the Anaheim House of Blues.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 21, 2024, 05:41:25 PM
Is there any reason why the new Bruce Dickinson album is listed at $27 on Amazon??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2024, 05:45:17 PM
Is there any reason why the new Bruce Dickinson album is listed at $27 on Amazon??

Is that the regular version or fancy digipak version?  Over here it seems the regular edition is $26 and the media book one is $76!!  Fuck that!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 21, 2024, 05:46:52 PM
Is there any reason why the new Bruce Dickinson album is listed at $27 on Amazon??

Is that the regular version or fancy digipak version?  Over here it seems the regular edition is $26 and the media book one is $76!!  Fuck that!

No shit. I'd only be interested in the media book if I was like 15, and there's no way I could afford that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2024, 05:59:08 PM
Is there any reason why the new Bruce Dickinson album is listed at $27 on Amazon??

Is that the regular version or fancy digipak version?  Over here it seems the regular edition is $26 and the media book one is $76!!  Fuck that!

No shit. I'd only be interested in the media book if I was like 15, and there's no way I could afford that.

Good chance I won't buy it at all.  I think my days of purchasing physical media are done.  If it's a crappy cardboard digipak with just the cd and not much of a booklet, I probably won't bother.  The media book version doesn't have any extras as far as I can see and that price is just taking the piss.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on February 21, 2024, 08:35:54 PM
The regular edition is $12.  The comic book edition is $27.

https://www.amazon.com/Mandrake-Project-Bruce-Dickinson/dp/B0CP8NFCXM/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1HBPC1BOV9VWI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.AKGaRCj-2-LrQ8fVVdA_cvyzoBrnhSByxlXCiff8ah7DGZxMDii2H6pLwiqvTa_skJF-w2FdXVrYUCjXk3AhIa4trGLFXeCS8ZMcJdPXKStY7tFLZx5wy0xE8Ln09A-t2RVfntb2n6xeGtJp2L7MuuqxU7SphOfjURzAEe03kqN0uQCo6XFA-lVFlTfkO1m2ghcay4MOMF_2vH-YVvFsVROhnehR-WerBq0GlbDJ1WE.lJsUXP92ICOP40h8hPPkOZxIwZjf7VgtyCgeUpygJjE&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+mandrake+project&qid=1708572868&sprefix=the+mandrake+project%2Caps%2C120&sr=8-1


I just read something today that only 2-3 songs from the album tie into the comic book story. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2024, 08:45:15 PM
Well that's a bit silly.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 22, 2024, 04:28:19 AM
Any one here wants to review Bruce's solo record?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 22, 2024, 12:07:23 PM
Any one here wants to review Bruce's solo record?

I will; by when?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 22, 2024, 08:07:15 PM
Is there any reason why the new Bruce Dickinson album is listed at $27 on Amazon??

Is that the regular version or fancy digipak version?  Over here it seems the regular edition is $26 and the media book one is $76!!  Fuck that!

No shit. I'd only be interested in the media book if I was like 15, and there's no way I could afford that.

Good chance I won't buy it at all.  I think my days of purchasing physical media are done.  If it's a crappy cardboard digipak with just the cd and not much of a booklet, I probably won't bother.  The media book version doesn't have any extras as far as I can see and that price is just taking the piss.

Regards the deluxe package agree on all counts particularly after reading below only a few tracks actually relate to the comic book.

That said will definitely be purchasing a standard edition \m/


Interview I did with Blaze Bayley about his new album, which is even better than the previous one: https://youtu.be/NwhFfGvQNxI?si=RHacm5-eo43AAPB6

Watched this through this morning before delving into the album.

Gotta love his passion and enthusiasm, excellent interview thanks!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 23, 2024, 06:19:05 AM
My review of Bruce's new album: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/bruce-dickinson-the-mandrake-project/?fbclid=IwAR1hyBtdZnpaUmNh9Xk705DcNuTERC9EyZxdzcKUrWV9SmAQtvz_9yu-Pvo
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 26, 2024, 07:54:54 AM
Very random thought: On The Final Frontier, the row The Alchemist - Isle of Avalon - Starblind must be the best streak of Maiden music that has never been played live.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 26, 2024, 08:00:09 AM
The Final Frontier is my favorite of the reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 26, 2024, 08:25:09 AM
The Final Frontier is my favorite of the reunion albums.

Same here.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 26, 2024, 08:29:02 AM
It's my least favorite of the reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on February 26, 2024, 09:01:21 AM
Very random thought: On The Final Frontier, the row The Alchemist - Isle of Avalon - Starblind must be the best streak of Maiden music that has never been played live.

It's a great streak of songs, for sure. My favorite on the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2024, 01:17:58 PM
The Alchemist to the the end of the album is one of the strongest runs of music I've ever heard.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on February 26, 2024, 01:22:23 PM
It's my least favorite of the reunion albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 27, 2024, 01:19:35 AM
The Final frontier features some of their most underrated songs ever. Particularly The Man who would be king, The Alchemist and Isle of Avalon.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 27, 2024, 03:58:27 AM
It's my least favorite of the reunion albums.

That for me is 'Senjutsu'.  As much as I love Steve Harris - those 45 minutes (spread over only 4 tracks) that are his solo writing credits are too much, it doesn't help I don't think any of those 4 tracks are among his best (long) work.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2024, 08:03:40 AM
It's my least favorite of the reunion albums.

That for me is 'Senjutsu'.  As much as I love Steve Harris - those 45 minutes (spread over only 4 tracks) that are his solo writing credits are too much, it doesn't help I don't think any of those 4 tracks are among his best (long) work.

The last two tracks on Senjutsu put it over the top of TFF for me.  Somehow on AMOLAD they got it just right with all those epic tracks though.

I guess my reunion album rankings would be:

AMOLAD
BNW
DOD
Senjutsu
TBOS
TFF

But I do enjoy all of them, so TFF isn't a bad album, just my least favorite.  Also DOD, SUnjutsu and TBOS are kind of interchangeable in the muddy middle for me. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: soupytwist on February 27, 2024, 08:26:34 AM
It's my least favorite of the reunion albums.

That for me is 'Senjutsu'.  As much as I love Steve Harris - those 45 minutes (spread over only 4 tracks) that are his solo writing credits are too much, it doesn't help I don't think any of those 4 tracks are among his best (long) work.

The last two tracks on Senjutsu put it over the top of TFF for me.  Somehow on AMOLAD they got it just right with all those epic tracks though.

I guess my reunion album rankings would be:

AMOLAD
BNW
DOD
Senjutsu
TBOS
TFF

But I do enjoy all of them, so TFF isn't a bad album, just my least favorite.  Also DOD, SUnjutsu and TBOS are kind of interchangeable in the muddy middle for me.

I think it probably speaks for the quality of these albums that we have such a differing ranking!

1. Final Frontier
2. Dance of Death
3. Book of Souls.
4. Brave New World
5. A Matter....
6. Senjutsu
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on February 27, 2024, 09:10:01 AM
This is hard to do because I like something about every record.  Brave New World will always be ranked #1 for the reunion albums - that was just a magical time with Bruce and Adrian coming back and the band putting out a SLAMMING album with a really cool tour. 

Brave New World
Senjutsu
AMOL&D
Dance of Death
The Book of Souls
The Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 27, 2024, 09:30:30 AM
This is hard to do because I like something about every record.  Brave New World will always be ranked #1 for the reunion albums - that was just a magical time with Bruce and Adrian coming back and the band putting out a SLAMMING album with a really cool tour. 

Brave New World
Senjutsu
AMOL&D
Dance of Death
The Book of Souls
The Final Frontier

I might switch A Matter of Life and Death and Dance of Death... maybe. But that'd be my ranking, too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 27, 2024, 10:05:19 AM
DOD / AMOLAD / TFF
Senjutsu
BNW


TBOS


There's almost nothing between DOD / AMOLAD / TFF for me. They all have such top drawer songs, and a couple of factors that just keep them off all-time classic status, but I love all three.

BNW being released obvs was an incredible moment but the album has never satisfied me as a whole,  despite some great tracks.

I almost never play TBOS anymore. By far my least favourite reunion record. Feels unfinished / rushed / unedited. Eternity is wonderful, though, and easily outshines everything else on it.


TFF is a really interesting one. It doesn't start or finish well, imo. The intro and title track don't deliver the awesome space vibe that they promise. El D has a fun opening riff but doesn't move me as a track. MoM is fine but forgettable. THEN - Coming Home through to The Talisman (best maiden track since the SSOASS era?) is absolutely fantastic. Complex, groovy, evocative. Just brilliant. TMWWBK is almost great and I know lots love it. WTWB is a dud for me. Close but no cigar. That repeating unison verse melody that Bruce and one guitar play is a horrible arrangement and goes on and on. And the lyrics don't conjure the nuclear feels for me either. If the whole album was like that prime middle section, it would easily top my reunion ranking.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2024, 12:00:09 PM
Adrian Smith turns 67 today!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on February 27, 2024, 12:02:31 PM
Guitar god  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2024, 01:10:12 PM
Adrian Smith turns 67 today!

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on February 27, 2024, 01:45:55 PM
And still living in the golden years.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 27, 2024, 01:58:28 PM
1. Senjutsu
1a. Final Frontier
2. Dance of Death
4. Book of Souls.
5. A Matter....
6. Brave New World
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2024, 02:10:03 PM
And still living in the golden years.

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 27, 2024, 02:59:11 PM
My ranking of the albums from the reunion era changes all the time. At the moment, I'd rank them like this:

1. A Matter of life and death
2. Dance of death
3. Senjutsu
4. The Final frontier
5. The Book of souls
6. Brave new world

All of them are great, though. Three, four and five are truly close.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2024, 03:09:30 PM
My Reunion Era ranking goes like this...

1. The Final Frontier
2. A Matter Of Life And Death
3. Senjutsu
4. Dance Of Death
5. The Book Of Souls
6. Brave New World


Songs..

1. The Talisman
2. The Parchment
3. Coming Home
4. The Book Of Souls
5. For The Greater Good Of God
6. Lord Of Light
7. Dance Of Death
8. The Red And The Black
9. When The Wild Wind Blows
10. Hell On Earth

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on February 27, 2024, 03:32:56 PM
1 Final Frontier
2 Book Of Souls
3 all the rest


Last- Senjitsu
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on February 27, 2024, 04:15:26 PM
1: A Matter of Life and Death

2: The Final Frontier
3: Senjutsu

4: Brave New World
5: Book of Souls

6: Dance of Death


Senjutsu and TFF are in a close race for #2, I could see Senjutsu taking the spot but I still need to let it marinate. I think those last three Harris epics really capture what the reunion era, and Iron Maiden as a whole, is all about. A real signature moment. I guess the question is whether the rest of the album is up there. I'm not crazy about Darkest Hour or Senjutsu, although both have grown on me. Writing On the Wall is an instant classic, as is Days of Future Past (really glad it's getting some love live). Lost in a Lost World feels like an X Factor leftover, but I don't consider that a bad thing. Stratego is really cool as well. TFF is 14 years old though and was a really important album for me when it came out, so it's hard to compare the two. I think the weaker tracks on TFF are weaker than the weaker tracks on Senjutsu, and maybe ditto with the stronger tracks, but TFF might have a better flow to it, and better variety with more contributions from other members/combinations of different writers where Senjutsu very much feels like the Steve Harris show.

Book of Souls has not aged super well for me and has more fillers than any other reunion album besides Dance of Death, and the song rarely hits super high marks. That said, the title track, The Book of Souls, might be my favorite of the entire reunion era. Immense song. Brave New World ends up closer to the bottom more due to the quality of everything that has come since. It's a great proof of concept but, with just two exceptions, everything after really improves on the BNW formula in every way. Dance of Death is what it is, the more reunion albums that get made the more unnecessary the album feels in the overall discography. The concept of Paschendale was further realized with several stronger songs on the next album, the Gers acoustic epic of the title track has been seen on every album since to different degrees of success, and there are a bunch songs that are just kind of generic which Maiden has thankfully moved away from. With the exception of Book of Souls, it feels like all 10 song slots are used as effectively as possible - and we're getting really close to a Maiden that only makes epics, which has tended to be my favorite stuff from the recent albums.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2024, 04:31:10 PM
Crikey!  BNW last for 3 of you!

Mine;

1. TFF
2. Senjutsu
3. BNW
4. AMOLAD
5. DOD
6. TBOS
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on February 27, 2024, 04:38:37 PM
I do like all the reunion albums so is like most to like least. I can't really say I dislike any Maiden albums anyway. No Prayer For the Dying comes close but it's just good enough to be mediocre.

1. A Matter of Life and Death (also my favorite Maiden album in general)
2. Book of Souls
3. Brave New World
4. The Final Frontier
5. Senjutsu
6. Dance of Death
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on February 27, 2024, 09:01:28 PM
A Matter of Life and Death

Book of Souls
Brave New World/Dance of Death/Senjutsu

The Final Frontier
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on February 27, 2024, 10:32:59 PM
Brave New World

A Matter of L&D
Senjutsu
Dance Of Death
The Final Frontier
Book Of Souls

Have been warming more and more to TFF these past years...
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 27, 2024, 11:57:36 PM
Crikey!  BNW last for 3 of you!


Yeah, there's opinions and opinions. And then there's stuff that really does not compute :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on February 28, 2024, 12:55:40 AM
Time ta rank em!

1. Dance of Death
2. Brave New World
3. Senjutsu
4. The Book of Souls
5. A Matter of Life and Death
6. The Final Frontier

Top 10 songs?

1. Dream of Mirrors
2. No More Lies
3. Hell on Earth
4. Face in the Sand
5. Paschendale
6. The Book of Souls
7. Blood Brothers
8. Dance of Death
9. Montségur
10. Rainmaker

I missed the deadline to join the Top 100 Iron Maiden last time around and this was pretty much my top 10, only mine had No Prayer For the Dying at #3 and Tailgunner at #10.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 28, 2024, 01:22:29 AM
Dream of Mirrors! What a tune. Definitely in my top five Maiden reunion songs and probably in my top ten Miaden tunes overall. I'd also have Paschedale, Hell on Earth and Dance of Death in my top five reunion songs. Montségur and Rainmaker are also both excellent and quite unique in their catalogue in terms of feel.

I like No More Lies, really like it, but the repetition! That's a criticism that could also be levelled at Dream of Mirrors, of course, but I can overlook it there for some reason.

Face in the Sand is one of a couple of clunkers from Dance of Death for me, and Blood Brothers I always felt was overrated. The Book of Souls isn't bad but it's dragged down by being associated with the album. Bit unfair but that's life.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 28, 2024, 01:30:05 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/bruce_dickinson_names_most_difficult_iron_maiden_song_to_sing_explains_why_they_still_play_it_in_original_key.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/bruce_dickinson_names_most_difficult_iron_maiden_song_to_sing_explains_why_they_still_play_it_in_original_key.html)

"The song I find the most challenging to sing in the Maiden repertoire would be 'Aces High'. That's not just because I'm 60-something years old. Trust me, when I was 26, it was equally challenging. I always said, 'If we're going to do 'Aces High,' can we put it towards the front of the set please?'".

"We still do all the songs in the original key. I'm sure it would be easier if we dropped the key, but then it wouldn't sound as good".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2024, 02:41:54 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/bruce_dickinson_names_most_difficult_iron_maiden_song_to_sing_explains_why_they_still_play_it_in_original_key.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/bruce_dickinson_names_most_difficult_iron_maiden_song_to_sing_explains_why_they_still_play_it_in_original_key.html)

"The song I find the most challenging to sing in the Maiden repertoire would be 'Aces High'. That's not just because I'm 60-something years old. Trust me, when I was 26, it was equally challenging. I always said, 'If we're going to do 'Aces High,' can we put it towards the front of the set please?'".

"We still do all the songs in the original key. I'm sure it would be easier if we dropped the key, but then it wouldn't sound as good".

Not to mention Steve Harris is the boss.  It would help Bruce out though massively even just dropping to Eb.

Still a shame it wasn't on the table when Blaze was in the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 28, 2024, 02:43:10 AM
I have a feeling that Bruce is also trying to prove the point that he can still perform the songs in the original key fairly well. He might also honestly think that the songs wouldn't sound as good if they dropped the tuning by a half step.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2024, 02:51:57 AM
I have a feeling that Bruce is also trying to prove the point that he can still perform the songs in the original key fairly well. He might also honestly think that the songs wouldn't sound as good if they dropped the tuning by a half step.

No doubt mate.  Bruce definitely would probably take it as a knock to the ego.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 28, 2024, 05:06:11 AM
I absolutely love the Maiden chats. So many different opinions on them albums by a band we all love so dearly. It's fascinating to me. What are those hooks in our brains and specific triggers that make the differences? Fabulous.  :smiley:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on February 28, 2024, 05:10:34 AM
I absolutely love the Maiden chats. So many different opinions on them albums by a band we all love so dearly. It's fascinating to me. What are those hooks in our brains and specific triggers that make the differences? Fabulous.  :smiley:

I got the hooks screwed in.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 28, 2024, 05:11:52 AM
I absolutely love the Maiden chats. So many different opinions on them albums by a band we all love so dearly. It's fascinating to me. What are those hooks in our brains and specific triggers that make the differences? Fabulous.  :smiley:

I got the hooks screwed in.

For that well hung feeling.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on February 28, 2024, 06:07:07 AM
Mmmmh, ranking reunion albums...I'm fairly certain about my favorite (Dance of Death) and my least favorite (The Book of Souls). I have a harder time deciding on BNW vs. AMOLAD and TFF vs. Senjutsu. I think, currently, it might go like this:

1) Dance of Death
2) Brave New World
3) A Matter of Life and Death
4) Senjutsu
5) The Final Frontier
6) The Book of Souls

TFF has actually grown a lot on me over the years. I still think it starts very weak, and the final two long pieces don't blow me away, but as was just noticed here, there's a run of songs in the middle that's really great.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 28, 2024, 08:19:34 AM
Crikey!  BNW last for 3 of you!


Yeah, there's opinions and opinions. And then there's stuff that really does not compute :lol

It doesn't SUCK, but the band has actually been getting better and better...



Face in the Sand is one of a couple of clunkers from Dance of Death for me, and Blood Brothers I always felt was overrated. The Book of Souls isn't bad but it's dragged down by being associated with the album. Bit unfair but that's life.

I thought so too (Blood Brothers) until I saw it live as the encore for the Book of Souls tour.  I think we saw the last show of the tour (in Brooklyn; might have been second to last) and it had SO much energy.  Really elevated the song for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2024, 08:21:59 AM

Face in the Sand is one of a couple of clunkers from Dance of Death for me, and Blood Brothers I always felt was overrated. The Book of Souls isn't bad but it's dragged down by being associated with the album. Bit unfair but that's life.

I thought so too (Blood Brothers) until I saw it live as the encore for the Book of Souls tour.  I think we saw the last show of the tour (in Brooklyn; might have been second to last) and it had SO much energy.  Really elevated the song for me.

We were at the last show of the entire tour.  I remember it well because Bruce sang TBOS final line as "The LAST Book of Souls" and he threw his clothes and boots into the crowd and I was so pissed the 7ft tall guy got the boot and not one of us  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 28, 2024, 09:27:41 AM
I absolutely love the Maiden chats. So many different opinions on them albums by a band we all love so dearly. It's fascinating to me. What are those hooks in our brains and specific triggers that make the differences? Fabulous.  :smiley:

I got the hooks screwed in.

For that well hung feeling.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on February 28, 2024, 11:02:45 AM
Dream of Mirrors! What a tune. Definitely in my top five Maiden reunion songs and probably in my top ten Miaden tunes overall. I'd also have Paschedale, Hell on Earth and Dance of Death in my top five reunion songs. Montségur and Rainmaker are also both excellent and quite unique in their catalogue in terms of feel.

I like No More Lies, really like it, but the repetition! That's a criticism that could also be levelled at Dream of Mirrors, of course, but I can overlook it there for some reason.

Face in the Sand is one of a couple of clunkers from Dance of Death for me, and Blood Brothers I always felt was overrated. The Book of Souls isn't bad but it's dragged down by being associated with the album. Bit unfair but that's life.

You know, I do get the repetition complaint for No More Lies. Even though it doesn't bother me, there's something in the execution that does: the second chorus lost all dynamics in the mixing/mastering process! A sad casualty of their idea with Kevin Shirley to mix it in the red.

Something else that got lost in Dance of Death was a few harmonized guitar parts in Montségur -- I had to explore the multitrack surround version and do a personal mixdown to figure those parts out (would love to share them if anyone's interested, in fact, and if that isn't against forum rules).

And yeah, TBOS is their funniest album in my opinion: some really high highs, some REALLY low lows. Definitely not an album I care to listen to in one sitting, but I do love about half of the tracks in that one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 28, 2024, 11:22:35 AM
Something else that got lost in Dance of Death was a few harmonized guitar parts in Montségur -- I had to explore the multitrack surround version and do a personal mixdown to figure those parts out (would love to share them if anyone's interested, in fact, and if that isn't against forum rules).


Oooh, good shout on the 5.1 version of Dance of Death. I'm sure I have that somewhere.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 28, 2024, 11:58:00 AM
Something else that got lost in Dance of Death was a few harmonized guitar parts in Montségur -- I had to explore the multitrack surround version and do a personal mixdown to figure those parts out (would love to share them if anyone's interested, in fact, and if that isn't against forum rules).


Oooh, good shout on the 5.1 version of Dance of Death. I'm sure I have that somewhere.

Where is that?  I didn't know any of the Maiden made it to 5.1.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 28, 2024, 12:09:42 PM
Any one here wants to review Bruce's solo record?

I will; by when?

Didn't see this one until you mentioned over PM. I just PM'ed you.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on February 28, 2024, 01:32:30 PM
Dance of Death is a really enjoyable album for me. Yes, it's brick-walled but a lot of it's heavy and a bit more up tempo than most of the reunion material. Wildest Dreams, Rainmaker, No More Lies, Montsegur, DoD, Gates of Tomorrow - such a solid run of banging tunes. Nicko sounds bloody great. I find myself air drumming to it a lot, and the band are barrelling through it. New Frontier is a bit of a dip, but fine. Then two cracking tracks in Paschendale and Face In The Sand. Not such a fan of the last two tracks, tbh, but Journeyman is at least a bit different.

My least favourite thing about it is that disgusting cover.  :lol

NML is one of those repetitive Maiden choruses that I think actually works. Maybe because it's faster. Brave New World and The Mercenary, for example, repeat at a plod for me. Seventh Son even bugs me a little.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2024, 01:36:47 PM
My least favourite thing about it is that disgusting cover.  :lol

By far  :lol but luckily that work of art has no bearing the music.  I do also think it's not the best sounding album in terms of production, but once again, the songs override that.  I actually really like Face in the Sand too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: porcacultor on February 28, 2024, 08:01:52 PM
If anyone's interested, the deceptively titled Death on the Road documentary (available on Youtube here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbYtz_o3ul0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbYtz_o3ul0) ) shows a lot of behind the scenes moments of the recording of the DoD album proper.

Transcribing Kevin Shirley's words, this is pretty much the whole story on why Dance of Death sounds the way it does (as in, loud, brickwalled etc.):

"When we finished Dance of Death, I took the album to George Marino to master it. He was such a great mastering engineer, he's done everything from AC/DC to everyone. He said 'the bottom end's all wrong', so I said 'well, do what you do to it'. He tried to make the bottom end fatter, the top end nicer, this and that. I was kind of second-guessing myself at that point, because he knocked me down. So I sent the CD to Steve, and of course he's been in Iron Maiden for 30 years, and he said 'well, this doesn't sound anything like the mixes I heard in the studio', so I was like 'thank God for that!'".

(...)

"The album is mastered from a CD that I made for Steve. It's not ideal (laughs) but that's what the master was at the end of the day. I had this really old Apogee digital converter – I used to just smash the crap out of it to put it on a CD for him to play on his car. Then I printed all the other [versions], half-inch tape, 96kHz [sample rate] versions... and he just liked the crunching of whatever that horrible converter was. At the end of the day, I think he went to Tim Young and he said 'just transfer it off the CD, that's how I like it sounding, that's how I want it to sound'".

So there we have it. I've been calling it a "casualty of the loudness wars", but this was an organic decision from within the band. Can't fault them for picking a sound!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on February 28, 2024, 08:03:45 PM
Death On The Road is my favorite Iron Maiden live album across all eras.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2024, 08:32:52 PM
I'll echo about the production on DOD.  It took me a long time to look past, it's horrible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: sfam2112 on February 28, 2024, 10:55:09 PM
I have a feeling that Bruce is also trying to prove the point that he can still perform the songs in the original key fairly well. He might also honestly think that the songs wouldn't sound as good if they dropped the tuning by a half step.

The only exception I can think of is "Lord of The Flies" from Death On The Road being a full step down... probably so he can do his Bruce thing and sing the ending an octave higher more comfortably. 😝
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on February 29, 2024, 12:39:09 AM
Oh good point, I completely forgot about that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoFred on February 29, 2024, 12:46:05 AM
S Tier:
Dance of Death
Senjustsu
A Matter of Life and Death

A Tier:
Brave New World
Final Frontier
Book of Souls

DoD is my favorite across eras (not thinking about production quality) and while Senjustsu is somewhat self-derivative it’s got the better versions.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on February 29, 2024, 03:17:51 AM
Something else that got lost in Dance of Death was a few harmonized guitar parts in Montségur -- I had to explore the multitrack surround version and do a personal mixdown to figure those parts out (would love to share them if anyone's interested, in fact, and if that isn't against forum rules).


Oooh, good shout on the 5.1 version of Dance of Death. I'm sure I have that somewhere.

Where is that?  I didn't know any of the Maiden made it to 5.1.

Here you go, fellow: https://www.discogs.com/release/2014910-Iron-Maiden-Dance-Of-Death
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on February 29, 2024, 03:29:01 AM
I have a feeling that Bruce is also trying to prove the point that he can still perform the songs in the original key fairly well. He might also honestly think that the songs wouldn't sound as good if they dropped the tuning by a half step.

The only exception I can think of is "Lord of The Flies" from Death On The Road being a full step down... probably so he can do his Bruce thing and sing the ending an octave higher more comfortably. 😝

I keep forgetting about this one.  I think that's the only time ever they have played a song in a different key.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on February 29, 2024, 06:37:36 AM
Something else that got lost in Dance of Death was a few harmonized guitar parts in Montségur -- I had to explore the multitrack surround version and do a personal mixdown to figure those parts out (would love to share them if anyone's interested, in fact, and if that isn't against forum rules).


Oooh, good shout on the 5.1 version of Dance of Death. I'm sure I have that somewhere.

Where is that?  I didn't know any of the Maiden made it to 5.1.

Here you go, fellow: https://www.discogs.com/release/2014910-Iron-Maiden-Dance-Of-Death

I need to see if I have this one in storage. Just set up an Atmos/Surround system in my home office and some of the little details that get buried in a regular stereo/compressed mix sound amazing in a 5.1 setting. I know I have Balls to Picasso by Bruce but haven't dug up all the boxes from the last move. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on February 29, 2024, 08:42:39 AM
Something else that got lost in Dance of Death was a few harmonized guitar parts in Montségur -- I had to explore the multitrack surround version and do a personal mixdown to figure those parts out (would love to share them if anyone's interested, in fact, and if that isn't against forum rules).


Oooh, good shout on the 5.1 version of Dance of Death. I'm sure I have that somewhere.

Where is that?  I didn't know any of the Maiden made it to 5.1.

Here you go, fellow: https://www.discogs.com/release/2014910-Iron-Maiden-Dance-Of-Death

Thank you!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on February 29, 2024, 09:49:38 AM
My two favorites from the reunion era are still very clear to me:

Brave New World
A Matter of Life And Death

>>>Those records, to me, are ones I can put in and just play, and really feel a good ebb and flow with. Everything else from the reunion era...I like them. But I tend to cherry pick a bit.

But BNW and AMOLAD just have this...spark to them, this engagement, that I haven't found as complete works with the other reunion era albums.

As for the classic era, my favorite Maiden record is Piece of Mind. Then probably Seventh Son, The Number of The Beast, Somewhere in Time, and Powerslave. The others...again, I like them, but I tend to cherry pick more on them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on February 29, 2024, 11:17:55 AM
Walmart exclusive
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bruce-Dickinson-The-Mandrake-Project-Limited-Edition-Walmart-Exclusive-Autographed-Print-and-Stencil-Heavy-Metal-2-LP/5195359990?from=/search

I actually bought this  :lol I don't even collect Vinyl, but seemed cool.  I'll buy the digital download of the album on release and hold onto this.

Forgot I ordered this, should arrive tomorrow.  Curious about the autographed print.  I might want to get a nice frame and hang it.  I don't even have a record player to listen to it  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2024, 04:36:15 AM
Shit, I didn't realise this was out today.  Well, tomorrow for most of you lot.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2024, 04:46:38 AM
I'll listen to the full thing over the weekend but was interested in Eternity Has Failed.  Probably used to the Maiden version but this version is a lot slower and seems to lack the energy of Maidens.  The middle section is just some uneccessary long shredding from Gus G over the top of similar melodies too.  Doesn't seem to fit.  Not sure why Gus is on here.  Dunno, again just different and not used to it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 01, 2024, 05:18:38 AM
Heard it once, the first impression is that Shadow of the Gods is the highlight!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 01, 2024, 05:21:30 AM
...  The middle section is just some uneccessary long shredding from Gus G over the top of similar melodies too.  Doesn't seem to fit.  Not sure why Gus is on here.  Dunno, again just different and not used to it.

Gus G? Did I miss something or or do you mean Roy Z?  Roy Z has been playing with Bruce forever which is why he's on this original version of Eternity if you mean Roy  ;)

And that said I agree.  Interesting as it is personally would've left this as a bonus track or as the B-side to Ragnarok 7".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 01, 2024, 05:34:51 AM
I think it should have remained a solo track only. We'd have been saying what a good track it is. Other than the difference in speed, and the addition of a bit of a frippery, both versions are remarkably similar.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on March 01, 2024, 05:52:33 AM
I think it's a really cool record, once I get past the fact that it's not going to be Chemical Wedding Pt. 2

I like his version of Eternity - it's slower, with a heavier riff and a little doomier.  It's neat to see how Maiden changed the song.  Shadow of the Gods is cool and I love that Priest riff 2/3 of the way through, where Halford would have sung (for the Three Tremors project). 

There are a few other songs that I really like too.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on March 01, 2024, 06:20:38 AM
Listened a few times already and I can tell it's a great album, one of this years best, no doubt! Something a little below of Accident and Chemical, as expected, but also with a bit more variety which is really nice.
About Eternity, I really dug to have a proper guitar solo in the middle section, although I prefer the faster paced Maiden's interpretation. It kind reminded me of Flight of Icarus, in a sense that Bruce prefered it slower and Harris, faster. As a result, we have the PoM version and LAD version, but, in this case, the PoM version was better. But all four versions of these songs are really good!
Sonata is really excellent (but I'm not implying it will the most beautiful song you'll hear this year! :D) and I thought the commentaries about it being so unexpected a bit exaggerating . It isn't so far from Bruce's style, just throwing a bit of Pink Floyd on it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 01, 2024, 09:12:44 AM
Shit, I didn't realise this was out today.  Well, tomorrow for most of you lot.

Bollocks! Me too.  :lol

(Runs to the Spotify...)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 01, 2024, 11:02:44 AM
Got my deluxe edition today. It's much bigger than I expected. I would say it's about the size of something that would hold a 45rpm single record. Very well done.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2024, 11:10:16 AM
Gave a listen this morning on youtube and thought it was a good listen, but also felt like the production was poor and that it may be a bit too mid paced for my tastes, but it was still good.  I'll hold back on any "album of the year" thoughts because right now, it's not that.  Looking forward to more listens and having the album grow on me
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 01, 2024, 11:14:48 AM
First listen. Not TCW or AOB but absolutely solid. I also would have tweaked the mix a bit had it been me. Bruce is a little too loud and there could be more low end beef but these are quibbles. Looking forward to seeing him live in a couple of months!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on March 01, 2024, 11:40:03 AM
I'll echo about the production on DOD.  It took me a long time to look past, it's horrible.

I must say that Dance of Death's 2015 remaster brought the album from worst sounding album on the reunion era to the two of the best sounding albums, along with AMOLAD. Maybe my favorite, because of the volume of the guitars, closer to the classic era.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on March 01, 2024, 12:34:42 PM
One listen in...eh...first impression is not super-positive for me. Love Bruce's solo stuff, so I was looking forward to this. The two pre-release tracks didn't blow me away and, while there's some good variety throughout the whole record, the overall impression is, again, "not blown away".

Don't particularly love the way it all sounds, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of "drive" in the performances. Some random thoughts:

- Resurrection Men is kinda cool with the western-sounding mood. Some things work, some not as much, but this is one I enjoyed more than others
- Agree with Kade's comments on Eternity Has Failed. Might be a matter of familiarity, but I miss the gallop of the Maiden version. When the band comes in, on TBOS, it's a truly fantastic moment. Here, it's more subdued. Cutting some of the stuff at the end was a good idea, though
- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material
- Who thought it was a good idea to have Bruce quite literally scream WHOA WHOA in your ears on the final choruses of Face in the Mirror??  :biggrin: That was quite jarring, to say the least
- Also agree on Shadow of the Gods being a highlight
- Sonata is, indeed, a bit weird. Not bad, but it kinda meanders towards the end

I will revisit, of course, but I can't deny I'm a little disappointed for now.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 01, 2024, 12:46:37 PM
One listen in...eh...first impression is not super-positive for me. Love Bruce's solo stuff, so I was looking forward to this. The two pre-release tracks didn't blow me away and, while there's some good variety throughout the whole record, the overall impression is, again, "not blown away".

Don't particularly love the way it all sounds, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of "drive" in the performances. Some random thoughts:

- Resurrection Men is kinda cool with the western-sounding mood. Some things work, some not as much, but this is one I enjoyed more than others
- Agree with Kade's comments on Eternity Has Failed. Might be a matter of familiarity, but I miss the gallop of the Maiden version. When the band comes in, on TBOS, it's a truly fantastic moment. Here, it's more subdued. Cutting some of the stuff at the end was a good idea, though
- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material
- Who thought it was a good idea to have Bruce quite literally scream WHOA WHOA in your ears on the final choruses of Face in the Mirror??  :biggrin: That was quite jarring, to say the least
- Also agree on Shadow of the Gods being a highlight
- Sonata is, indeed, a bit weird. Not bad, but it kinda meanders towards the end

I will revisit, of course, but I can't deny I'm a little disappointed for now.

My actual score for the album was 7.6, but the editor "conveniently" rounded it up to 8, which in my opinion paints a whole different picture. I think 7.6 matches your overall perception of the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2024, 12:49:37 PM
...  The middle section is just some uneccessary long shredding from Gus G over the top of similar melodies too.  Doesn't seem to fit.  Not sure why Gus is on here.  Dunno, again just different and not used to it.

Gus G? Did I miss something or or do you mean Roy Z?  Roy Z has been playing with Bruce forever which is why he's on this original version of Eternity if you mean Roy  ;)

And that said I agree.  Interesting as it is personally would've left this as a bonus track or as the B-side to Ragnarok 7".

Gus G provides the solo to this track.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on March 01, 2024, 12:54:48 PM
Really enjoying The Mandrake Project.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2024, 01:13:10 PM
One listen in...eh...first impression is not super-positive for me. Love Bruce's solo stuff, so I was looking forward to this. The two pre-release tracks didn't blow me away and, while there's some good variety throughout the whole record, the overall impression is, again, "not blown away".

Don't particularly love the way it all sounds, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of "drive" in the performances. Some random thoughts:

- Resurrection Men is kinda cool with the western-sounding mood. Some things work, some not as much, but this is one I enjoyed more than others
- Agree with Kade's comments on Eternity Has Failed. Might be a matter of familiarity, but I miss the gallop of the Maiden version. When the band comes in, on TBOS, it's a truly fantastic moment. Here, it's more subdued. Cutting some of the stuff at the end was a good idea, though
- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material
- Who thought it was a good idea to have Bruce quite literally scream WHOA WHOA in your ears on the final choruses of Face in the Mirror??  :biggrin: That was quite jarring, to say the least
- Also agree on Shadow of the Gods being a highlight
- Sonata is, indeed, a bit weird. Not bad, but it kinda meanders towards the end

I will revisit, of course, but I can't deny I'm a little disappointed for now.

My actual score for the album was 7.6, but the editor "conveniently" rounded it up to 8, which in my opinion paints a whole different picture. I think 7.6 matches your overall perception of the album.

On my first listen I was thinking like a 7 might be fair.  But of course, I need more listens.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on March 01, 2024, 01:25:31 PM
checking this out now
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 01:27:41 PM
I've just started my first listen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 01:30:44 PM
It's weird that he'd cover Rock You Like A Hurricane two songs in. I wasn't expecting that.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on March 01, 2024, 01:58:27 PM
solid album. really enjoyed it
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 01:58:44 PM

- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material


Thinking Skunkworks on this one, actually.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2024, 02:00:34 PM

- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material


Thinking Skunkworks on this one, actually.

Yeah, that guitar riff is total skunkworks to my ears.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on March 01, 2024, 02:21:41 PM

- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material


Thinking Skunkworks on this one, actually.

Yeah, that guitar riff is total skunkworks to my ears.

The opening riff is almost the same as Freak, though!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2024, 02:24:50 PM

- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material


Thinking Skunkworks on this one, actually.

Yeah, that guitar riff is total skunkworks to my ears.

The opening riff is almost the same as Freak, though!

Ha, I hear that now that you mention it, but immediately was thinking skunkworks my first two listens.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 02:26:57 PM

- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material


Thinking Skunkworks on this one, actually.

Yeah, that guitar riff is total skunkworks to my ears.

The opening riff is almost the same as Freak, though!

Yeah, but Freak sounds like a Skunkworks leftover anyway. :P


Oddly, I always skip Freak for some reason. It just feels detached from the rest of the album, honestly.  I always start at Starchildren.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on March 01, 2024, 02:40:20 PM

Yeah, but Freak sounds like a Skunkworks leftover anyway. :P


Oddly, I always skip Freak for some reason. It just feels detached from the rest of the album, honestly.  I always start at Starchildren.

Gotcha. I always liked Freak. It's such an energetic start to the album. Yes, in part it almost feels like it has to shake the cobwebs off Bruce's more "alternative" phase (I love Skunkworks, by the way), but then you hear that lick just before the second chorus and you think - ah!, he's back  :)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 02:51:16 PM
Ok...just finished my first listen. I didn't make notes as I went as I just wanted to listen without pausing between songs.

The first half is pretty straightforward. I liked both of the advance tracks.

I thought Fingers In The Wounds was really good, but I felt like the keyboard solo was a bit jarring and out of place.

It took me a long time to appreciate If Eternity Had Should Fail. This version doesn't quite have the jump that the Maiden version has, but there's a certain drive in this, especially after the initial verses, which feels a bit slow.

Shadow Of The Gods feels like it's the best track here and hopefully Sonata grows on me. I mean, I like it, but it doesn't seem to have that Tears Of The Dragon hook it needs. I mean, that might be a bit unfair as I'm sure I'll like it more after just one listen.



A couple of other observations... I felt half way through that my ears were getting tired, in that Bruce seems to be oversinging and he just sounded loud and strained. The 2nd half has a lot more vocal dynamics so the feeling did subside.
I also appreciate the use of keyboards on this album. They really stand out. A lot of the album reminds me of Deep Purple and Rainbow, particularly some of the JLT Era.

I like the fact that this album is not as heavy or heavier than Accident Of Birth. Kind of sits between that and Skunkworks to me.

Not sure if ultimately this was worth the wait, but I'm happy to have this album. Really enjoyed my first listen and in fact, I don't have much to bitch about it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 01, 2024, 04:12:04 PM
Wow, they make you work for it to try and listen to the Deluxe version. The CD was in the book in a sleeve so tight I could not get it out. I ended up having to wedge a finger under the disc to lift it and then use a pair of needle nose pliers to pull the disc out. Needless to say, it's never going back into that sleeve.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2024, 04:35:05 PM

- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material


Thinking Skunkworks on this one, actually.

Yeah, that guitar riff is total skunkworks to my ears.

The opening riff is almost the same as Freak, though!

Yeah, but Freak sounds like a Skunkworks leftover anyway. :P


Oddly, I always skip Freak for some reason. It just feels detached from the rest of the album, honestly.  I always start at Starchildren.

lol wut?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2024, 04:37:49 PM

Yeah, but Freak sounds like a Skunkworks leftover anyway. :P


Oddly, I always skip Freak for some reason. It just feels detached from the rest of the album, honestly.  I always start at Starchildren.

Gotcha. I always liked Freak. It's such an energetic start to the album. Yes, in part it almost feels like it has to shake the cobwebs off Bruce's more "alternative" phase (I love Skunkworks, by the way), but then you hear that lick just before the second chorus and you think - ah!, he's back  :)

Ripping song IMO.  Tuned nice and heavy to C and that 'somersault into the flood' section is awesome.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: devieira73 on March 01, 2024, 05:30:10 PM
Freak is awesome! I like a lot most of Skunkworks, but I also don't hear anything on Freak that reminds me that album. It's really metal to the bone! :metal :metal
My only real relative complaints about the new album are that it could have some faster songs and I also think that it would benefit on having a proper bassist and a more organic drum sound, with a bit more of groove in the performance. They were the extra sauce on Accident and Chemical. But, anyway, it will be a top 12 album this year for me, I'm sure.
Another thing, I think Sonata is a very different animal than Tears of the Dragon or Omega, totally different type of song IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2024, 05:41:52 PM
Wow, just opened this up and for $35 bucks, what a steal IMO (and I don't even have a record player), Ministro who shared the link for walmart for this thank you!  :metal :metal

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqeW8AAZvlP?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqaXMAEWP7-?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqiXUAAkM3o?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqgXoAAZ9EJ?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on March 01, 2024, 05:58:01 PM

- Mistress of Mercy tries a bit to be a re-write of some of the Accident material


Thinking Skunkworks on this one, actually.

Yeah, that guitar riff is total skunkworks to my ears.

The opening riff is almost the same as Freak, though!

That was my first thought when I heard the song.  Freak is the shit.   :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 01, 2024, 06:37:39 PM
...  The middle section is just some uneccessary long shredding from Gus G over the top of similar melodies too.  Doesn't seem to fit.  Not sure why Gus is on here.  Dunno, again just different and not used to it.

Gus G? Did I miss something or or do you mean Roy Z?  Roy Z has been playing with Bruce forever which is why he's on this original version of Eternity if you mean Roy  ;)

And that said I agree.  Interesting as it is personally would've left this as a bonus track or as the B-side to Ragnarok 7".

Gus G provides the solo to this track.


Did NOT know that mate thanks!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 06:58:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqaXMAEWP7-?format=jpg&name=large)




Is that a legit hand signed signature? Bruce personally signed records that would be sold for just $35 at Wal Mart??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 01, 2024, 07:08:34 PM
Typically usual record outlets here Down Under having trouble getting anything in both CD and LP delayed for foreseeable future ugh >:(

Anyway constantly streaming and enjoying the discussion here and a few things have come to mind...

- Maintain his original version of If Eternity should've remained a 7" B-side, bonus kinda collectors thing (and again did not know Gus G provides the solo thanks for that bit of info Wolfking!)
- Definitely hear some those Skunkworks references but fer my ears most comparisons are blatantly Accident and Chemical.
- Face In The Mirror is a skip for me, WAY too borrowed from his previous work.
- Regardless any similarities highlights are Mistress Of Mercy, exactly what I had hoped for with this release, Many Doors To Hell likewise brilliant sounds like a heavier Devil On A Hog, Fingers In The Wound, and while the intro worried me agree Resurrection Men, and Shadow Of The Gods which certainly makes you wonder what may have been of the Tremors right!?
- Still not digging the spoken word verses of Rain On The Graves and that's coming from a big fan of all the Bruce records, including Balls To Picasso where be was dabbling in all sorts this kinda stuff and need more time with the closing track.
- Agree the production is a little washy and lacking the punch these songs deserved.
- Bruce sounds fantastic regardless the washy sound and personally not finding anything oversung here.  I'd say about on par with the recent Maiden releases!?
- The packaging looks tremendous \m/


Overall not quite the album I had hoped for but tbf big shoes of his own to fill, and for a record that had been gestating for some 15 years on and off the ebb and flow isn't too bad.  But digging lots of it, will make a solid addition to the Dickinson solo collection glad we finally have it after all these years!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 01, 2024, 07:15:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqaXMAEWP7-?format=jpg&name=large)




Is that a legit hand signed signature? Bruce personally signed records that would be sold for just $35 at Wal Mart??

Yeah, really looks like it. You can see the ink smudges in the picture. I was honestly unsure when ordering it thinking the same thing but it did say explicitly "autograph" in the description.

The signature kind of looks odd though.  It reminds me of that scene in Flight 666 where Bruce is signing something (posters maybe?) and he's just signing them quickly and flicking them with his wrist into a pile on the floor of the plane  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 07:17:30 PM
Good call.   :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 07:22:50 PM
I must say...I NEVER listen to Tyranny Of Souls.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on March 01, 2024, 07:36:44 PM
I must say...I NEVER listen to Tyranny Of Souls.

It's no Accident or Chemical, but I always found it a pretty good album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2024, 07:38:25 PM
I must say...I NEVER listen to Tyranny Of Souls.

It's no Accident or Chemical, but I always found it a pretty good album.

Yeah, I don't not like it, but I suffer from extreme indifference towards it. I just never choose it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on March 01, 2024, 07:42:02 PM

- Face In The Mirror is a skip for me, WAY too borrowed from his previous work.


Don't disagree, although it's a nice song. I will say it again, though - isn't the volume of the woah woahs starting around 3:00 oddly high??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 01, 2024, 08:17:49 PM
They do now you mention it  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on March 01, 2024, 08:38:44 PM
Typically usual record outlets here Down Under having trouble getting anything in both CD and LP delayed for foreseeable future ugh >:(

Anyway constantly streaming and enjoying the discussion here and a few things have come to mind...

- Maintain his original version of If Eternity should've remained a 7" B-side, bonus kinda collectors thing (and again did not know Gus G provides the solo thanks for that bit of info Wolfking!)
- Definitely hear some those Skunkworks references but fer my ears most comparisons are blatantly Accident and Chemical.
- Face In The Mirror is a skip for me, WAY too borrowed from his previous work.
- Regardless any similarities highlights are Mistress Of Mercy, exactly what I had hoped for with this release, Many Doors To Hell likewise brilliant sounds like a heavier Devil On A Hog, Fingers In The Wound, and while the intro worried me agree Resurrection Men, and Shadow Of The Gods which certainly makes you wonder what may have been of the Tremors right!?
- Still not digging the spoken word verses of Rain On The Graves and that's coming from a big fan of all the Bruce records, including Balls To Picasso where be was dabbling in all sorts this kinda stuff and need more time with the closing track.
- Agree the production is a little washy and lacking the punch these songs deserved.
- Bruce sounds fantastic regardless the washy sound and personally not finding anything oversung here.  I'd say about on par with the recent Maiden releases!?
- The packaging looks tremendous \m/


Overall not quite the album I had hoped for but tbf big shoes of his own to fill, and for a record that had been gestating for some 15 years on and off the ebb and flow isn't too bad.  But digging lots of it, will make a solid addition to the Dickinson solo collection glad we finally have it after all these years!

Utopia has all three formats currently in stock and JB has vinyl in stock  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 01, 2024, 08:45:28 PM
I called JB yesterday told none of their stores had CD or vinyl that they couldn't sort their pre-orders yet :huh:

Yes I was going to check with Utopia so thanks will do.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2024, 09:04:30 PM
I think JB are really trying hard to fully phase CDs out.  The shelves get smaller and smaller each time I go there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 01, 2024, 09:05:50 PM
Yep all being replaced with whitegoods.

Sucks
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2024, 09:17:27 PM
Pfft, whitegoods.  I can get them anywhere.

Probably won't get around to this album til next week now.  In no rush either reading all your thoughts.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 01, 2024, 10:55:20 PM
Almost done with my first listen. This is way better than most of you have been saying, at least to me. Way better than Tyranny, that's for sure. Looking forward to repeated listens to this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 01, 2024, 11:07:13 PM
If my analysis came accross like I wasn't fond of the album then it wasn't meant to.  Sure a couple its songs I didn't like but as I said, a solid album with a few essential highlights.

It's just given the time we've been waiting and when compared to Accident and Chemical, two of the finest albums released in the 90's, it's a hard comparison by anyone's standards.  But I definitely recommend Mandrake.

Oh and I loved Tyranny. Nothing much wrong with that album whatsoever \m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 01, 2024, 11:15:00 PM
Just finished and the only song that didn't grab me the first time around was Face In The Mirror. I saw a lot of press about Sonata and frankly, I don't get it. I loved the song. On first blush, this is a fantastic album to me. Bruce sounds so good on this. I'm impressed at how good his voice is at his age.

I came in with somewhat low expectations and am pretty much blown away by the effort. I loved it. I skipped all the singles so tonight was a blind listen to all of the material.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 02, 2024, 12:42:31 AM
I never listen to Tyranny either. Except for Kill Devil Hill which I absolutely adore.

Anyone else think that Bruce is setting himself up for a spot on the pro wrestling circuit with this album's photoshoot? Or a part in the next Expendables movie?  :huh:  ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fibreoptix on March 02, 2024, 04:33:08 AM
I saw a lot of press about Sonata and frankly, I don't get it. I loved the song.

I definitely don't think it's as bad as a lot of people thought it might be. Great chorus. The only thing, and it's not a huge problem, but it really stands out to me that one of the main vocal lines is practically identical to one of the melodies he sings in Cyclops, and its just blatant enough that it takes me out of the song. Totally a 'me' problem though. Also, probably wouldn't have hurt to have made the song a minute shorter or so, but otherwise its a great closer!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 02, 2024, 04:34:15 AM
While not on the level of AOB or CW, Tyranny is a fantastic record IMO.  Believal should have been replaced with Eternal but on a whole its great.  The title track is a top 5 Bruce song for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 02, 2024, 04:53:18 AM
I know folks complain about these threads turning into Blaze talk but I gotta say, while early days and it may well change...

But as it stands atm, I'm leaning towards Circle Of Stone over The Mandrake Project.

Just sayin' ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 02, 2024, 04:56:32 AM
I've spent an entire week with Circle of stone and I've only listened to Mandrake once. As much as I enjoyed Circle of stone, there is no way I'll end up liking Mandrake less. On the first listen, there were so many good bits, some of the tracks already stood out. This will be fun week.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 02, 2024, 05:13:01 AM
Will indeed be an interesting week and am keen to see where they're at down the track once they've both settled in.

Either way expect they'll be neck and neck but then of course Priest next week may well upset them both :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 02, 2024, 05:26:06 AM
Circle of Stone is a great hit out from Blaze. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 02, 2024, 05:37:41 AM
You guys are missing out, Tyranny of Souls is fantastic. The first half is kickass: Abduction > Soul Intruders > Kill > Navigate is an awesome four punch. The rest of the album is acceptable anyway and of course the title track is massive. It's not Chemical Wedding or Accident but what it is? In a different reality where Bruce tours for this record and plays most of it, I wouldn't miss it for the world.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 02, 2024, 06:09:37 AM
Wow, just opened this up and for $35 bucks, what a steal IMO (and I don't even have a record player), Ministro who shared the link for walmart for this thank you!  :metal :metal

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqeW8AAZvlP?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqaXMAEWP7-?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqiXUAAkM3o?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHoDHqgXoAAZ9EJ?format=jpg&name=large)

Awesome!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 02, 2024, 12:01:01 PM
You guys are missing out, Tyranny of Souls is fantastic. The first half is kickass: Abduction > Soul Intruders > Kill > Navigate is an awesome four punch. The rest of the album is acceptable anyway and of course the title track is massive. It's not Chemical Wedding or Accident but what it is? In a different reality where Bruce tours for this record and plays most of it, I wouldn't miss it for the world.

Played it at work today. I've never not enjoyed it, but it's just never what I reach for when I want to hear some Bruce. There's a number of songs that I do like...Power Of The Sun, Navigating The Seas Of The Sun.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ozzy554 on March 02, 2024, 02:33:31 PM
Finally gave the new Bruce a listen and it's perfectly fine. Don't know how much replay power It'll have with me but I enjoyed it. Sometimes though it did feel that this was stuff he had lying around for a long time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on March 03, 2024, 04:42:47 AM
New album is really good! I know people's first instinct is always to rank this compared to his other solo albums or even the last few Maiden albums. I do think this album sounds better and has more interesting production than some of the more recent Maiden ones. I also really like the variety on here and it feels like a nice summary of his career with nods to different albums.

I agree Tyranny of Souls is really great and underrated. For me his two best are Chemical Wedding but I'm also a big Skunkworks fan (as a 90s kid). After that it gets harder to place the albums but I think the new one is giving Tyranny a run for its money for the 3rd spot. I'd probably put Accident at 5th and the first two albums at the bottom. I don't think he has made a bad album though, even Tattooed Millionaire and Balls to Picasso has some great songs on them.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 03, 2024, 04:54:54 AM
New album is really good! I know people's first instinct is always to rank this compared to his other solo albums or even the last few Maiden albums. I do think this album sounds better and has more interesting production than some of the more recent Maiden ones. I also really like the variety on here and it feels like a nice summary of his career with nods to different albums.

I agree Tyranny of Souls is really great and underrated. For me his two best are Chemical Wedding but I'm also a big Skunkworks fan (as a 90s kid). After that it gets harder to place the albums but I think the new one is giving Tyranny a run for its money for the 3rd spot. I'd probably put Accident at 5th and the first two albums at the bottom. I don't think he has made a bad album though, even Tattooed Millionaire and Balls to Picasso has some great songs on them.

Love everything you posted.  And regards our feeling the need for all these rankings, all well explained...

But Accident Of Birth at #5?

Whhhaaaaatttt?  :o :lol


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on March 03, 2024, 07:30:13 AM
New album is really good! I know people's first instinct is always to rank this compared to his other solo albums or even the last few Maiden albums. I do think this album sounds better and has more interesting production than some of the more recent Maiden ones. I also really like the variety on here and it feels like a nice summary of his career with nods to different albums.

I agree Tyranny of Souls is really great and underrated. For me his two best are Chemical Wedding but I'm also a big Skunkworks fan (as a 90s kid). After that it gets harder to place the albums but I think the new one is giving Tyranny a run for its money for the 3rd spot. I'd probably put Accident at 5th and the first two albums at the bottom. I don't think he has made a bad album though, even Tattooed Millionaire and Balls to Picasso has some great songs on them.

Love everything you posted.  And regards our feeling the need for all these rankings, all well explained...

But Accident Of Birth at #5?

Whhhaaaaatttt?  :o :lol

I think #3 to #5 are all very close for me, the difference is minimal. I do like Accident of Birth but perhaps unfairly it's not quite as good as Chemical Wedding but it's similar in sound, and it also follows Skunkworks which I love personally and is a different vibe entirely. I might revisit all these albums and put Accident as high as #3 but never lower than #5, but just on a gut feeling I revisit Tyranny of Souls a lot and the new album is currently a bit of a joker card in the deck (no pun intended towards Accident of Birth) and we'll see how it fares in a few months from now once the new car smell wears off. :P
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 03, 2024, 07:58:55 AM
Two listens now and I'm impressed with the new album. Plenty of standout tracks so far. I'm sure it will place high in my list of favourite albums this year, we'll see how it stands up over time.

By the way, is this a concept album of sorts? Some of the tracks seems connected lyricwise.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 03, 2024, 08:34:26 AM
This absolutely is a concept album. Bruce confirmed it in several interviews.

I have no clue what the story exactly is, though.  :lol Can someone break it down song by song?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 03, 2024, 08:48:22 AM
This absolutely is a concept album. Bruce confirmed it in several interviews.

I have no clue what the story exactly is, though.  :lol Can someone break it down song by song?

Okay I haven't read any interviews so that's good to know then.

I found this on Genius  (https://genius.com/artists/Bruce-dickinson)by the way:

Afterglow Of Ragnarok

"This is meant to be like a hallucination from mandrake juice. Dr. Necropolis is a brilliant scientist, and an orphan. He’s interested in bringing back his brother who died at birth. He’s wondering why he survived and his brother died. And he’s tortured by this voice in his head, which he assumes is his brother. The voice just says, ‘Save me,’ over and over. It hits Necropolis like a depression. He gets into drugs and sex magic and the occult to try and contact his brother and try to figure out a way to bring him back. That’s what drives him and propels him through the story".

Many Doors To Hell

"This is about a female vampire who wants to be human again. She wants to feel what it’s like to not just bite people in the neck, but to maybe kiss them or make love. Instead of the weird vampire orgasm of drinking blood and stuff, she wants to feel what it’s like to be a woman again. She’s fed up with living forever with dead people. So she’s waiting for the moment when she can step outside. And that moment is when there’s an eclipse. During the eclipse, she can go out and she can be human. And maybe there’s a way back for her to be human permanently".

Rain On The Graves

"The title is a phrase I’d written down 10 years before I actually wrote the song. I was in a part of England called the Lake District, a very beautiful area that lots of poets and artists lived in. William Wordsworth had a cottage there and wrote a lot of his best poetry there. He’s buried in the local church, which is where this wedding was that I was invited to, and I decided to find his grave. It was raining and really atmospheric, and I sat there for about 40 minutes just thinking about what an incredible creative mind he had. Years later, Roy and I decided to write this song, which is kind of like ‘Cross Road Blues’ by Robert Johnson, where he meets the devil, but instead of at a crossroads it takes place in a graveyard".

Resurrection Men

"This one is related to the comic. The Resurrection Men are Professor Lazarus and Dr. Necropolis. While I was doing the beginning bit with these open guitar chords, I noticed the tremolo button on the amp. I went, ‘Hang on, what does this button do?’ It was the full-on Dick Dale surf sound, so I thought, ‘What would a Tarantino heavy metal opening sound like?’ So I played that on guitar. I thought Roy would redo it, but he decided to keep mine. And then I put the bongos on it later, because if you’ve got a Tarantino thing, you’ve got to have bongos on it as well".

Fingers In The Wounds

"The fingers in the wounds are the stigmata of Christ. I think it was St. Francis who had the stigmata appear, which proved that he was holy. The song is about the wonderful world of influencers, but with a twist: What if Jesus came back as an influencer? Like, ‘Put your fingers in your iPhones, put your fingers in my wounds, I’ll sell you a piece of my cloth. I can sell pearls to oysters, feed them to swine.’ It’s the way that everything on the internet now is just degraded by trolls and idiots and fake news and all that stuff. And all these influencers are just worthless, fake people. What have they done in their lives to justify all these people following them around like little dogs? I hate all that. That’s why I’m not part of it".

Eternity Has Failed

"Originally, it was entitled ‘If Eternity Should Fail.’ The title comes from a Doctor Strange episode. It was going to be the title track to the record, but then Maiden co-opted it onto their record. By the time I returned to it, I’d already got this idea for the comic series pretty well developed, so I thought I’d just tweak a couple of the words to make it reflect the story more. So we did that, and then stuck a few more bits on, like the flutes and percussion at the beginning that give it that spaghetti western type of feel. The last bit of spoken word is the last slide of episode one of the comic".

Mistress Of Mercy

"Who is the mistress of mercy? It’s music. I wrote this on acoustic guitar, but the middle bit, the funny little Jeff Beck-type guitar riff, I wrote on a keyboard. And then Roy played it on guitar. I wanted a mashup of something that was really thrashing, like some garage band going apeshit, along with the acoustic feel. The idea is that the music is the dominatrix. She holds you, pins you down, but you can’t help but adore her and love her. The ecstasy, the harmony, the melody drives you absolutely crazy. That’s what the song is about".

Face In The Mirror

"This is a melancholy tune. It’s about alcoholism, but also it’s about the way people judge other people and judge themselves. It’s sung from the point of view of somebody who is a drunk, but he’s turning around and saying, ‘You’re laughing at me because I’m lying on the ground, but when I hold my glass up, I can see right through you. I can see all your bullshit. I can see all your lies. You’re going to judge me because I’m an alcoholic, but take a look in my mirror, because you might see yourself as well".

Shadow Of The Gods

"This one goes back to just after Tyranny of Souls. This and the title track from that album were written as a pair for a project that never happened called The Three Tremors, which was supposed to be three metal singers, like The Three Tenors in classical music. It was going to be me, Rob Halford, and Ronnie James Dio. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen because Ronnie passed away. So I recorded ‘A Tyranny of Souls’ for myself and then kept this one. When I revisited it, I put a couple references to the comic in it. There’s a part two-thirds of the way through that sounds very reminiscent of Judas Priest because that’s who was supposed to sing it".

Sonata (Immortal Beloved)

"This is the oldest song on the record. It’s almost 25 years old. There’s a sample of Beethoven’s ‘Moonlight Sonata’ running underneath the drum machine, so Roy and I were just calling it ‘Sonata’ for a while. Roy later told me it was inspired by the film Immortal Beloved. He went to the movies, came home, and pulled an all-nighter, layering keyboards and guitars just for the hell of it. When he sent it to me, I didn’t have any ideas, but I just gave it a try and what came out was about 80% of the vocal, including the spoken word. I just did it freestyle, with no notes or anything. I don’t think that’s happened to me ever again in that way, with that level of detail".


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 03, 2024, 09:26:52 AM
That's odd. It's not exactly a storyline. Bruce talked about it as if the entire record is about Necropolis and Lazarus. Apparently, they're only referenced in the couple of tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on March 03, 2024, 11:59:29 AM
I’m not sure you could reasonably call Mandrake a concept album. Only three songs are directly tied to the comic and a bunch of songs have really specific themes that are unrelated to the story in any way. Bruce has also said pretty clearly that he did not hold himself to following a strict theme. Honestly it’s less cohesive than Seventh Son and is about as much a concept album as Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding are considering those albums also have a small number of songs that follow a loose theme.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 03, 2024, 12:15:43 PM
Chemical Wedding might not tell a story but has the common theme of Blake's works and feels more cohesive, story wise, than The Mandrake Project.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on March 03, 2024, 01:04:30 PM
TMP to my ears is ALL OVER THE PLACE! Still trying to find more than 1 or 2 songs that are connecting with me. Overall I'd give it a 6/10.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on March 03, 2024, 02:11:31 PM
Chemical Wedding might not tell a story but has the common theme of Blake's works and feels more cohesive, story wise, than The Mandrake Project.
For sure.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 03, 2024, 05:06:43 PM
First listen, but not really listening.

Ragnarok - Didn't like the track when it came out but it's pretty good here, the chours is better than I remember.

Doors to Hell - Pretty solid for a second track in on an album.  Standard rock track but enjoyable.

Graves - I like the vibe of this one.  The mix of the youtube video made Bruce sound odd but his vocals sound fine here.

Resurrection Man - Didn't really like this one at all.  The chorus is so simple and basic and just lacks creativity IMO.

Fingers - Cool vibe and mood in this one.  Didn't mind it.  The middle Tea Party sounding section was cool.

Eternity - Better the second time around.  Gus' solo seems to fit better than it did the first time I heard it.

Mistress - Yeah, lol, nice Freak reprise.  A bit more energy in this one which is cool.  The start of the pre chorus too sounds like it's from AOB.

Face in the Mirror - Pretty blatant Empire of the Clouds thing going on in the verses.  Chorus is another really average boring one.  This could be up there with easily one of the worst things Bruce has done.

Shadows of the Gods - It's fine.  Nice that it gets a bit heavier in the second half but was hard for me to keep focused on it.

Sonata - Yeah, found this one pretty boring to be honest.

Overall, I'll need another listen but a pretty disappointing album IMO.  I didn't expect it anywhere near the quality of the last 3, but hmmm...........didn't really enjoy this at all.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on March 04, 2024, 08:53:42 AM
"First listen but not really listening" proceeds to shit all over it and end with "i'll need another listen". I'm happy I'm not the sort of person to completely dismiss an album after 1-2 spins.  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 04, 2024, 10:36:32 AM
Agreed :lol

Face in the Mirror definitely has shades of Empire of the Clouds about it, especially in the verses. Thought that the moment I heard it. And the riffing in Mistress of Mercy is incredibly reminiscent of something on one of his earlier albums.

I think it's a pretty good album overall.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 04, 2024, 01:28:31 PM
"First listen but not really listening" proceeds to shit all over it and end with "i'll need another listen". I'm happy I'm not the sort of person to completely dismiss an album after 1-2 spins.  :lol

I'm so sorry if I hurt your feelings.  ::)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 04, 2024, 01:29:58 PM
Don't worry, I'll be doing another proper listen and give it another go just to appease ypu guys.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 04, 2024, 02:05:48 PM
Don't worry, wolfking, your assessment was just right. I'm loving the album so far, though.  ;D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 04, 2024, 02:13:21 PM
I mean, reading back, besides a couple of tracks, to say I 'shit all over it' is quite an unfair embellishment IMO.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: kaos2900 on March 04, 2024, 02:23:04 PM
Based on a lot of the reviews and feedback here I went to the new Bruce album with very low expectations. After a few solid listens today I can say that it's good, not great. Some good tracks overall and a few duds. Seems on par with most Bruce's solo output. Nothing I'll go back too often but not terrible.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 04, 2024, 02:58:55 PM
Based on a lot of the reviews and feedback here I went to the new Bruce album with very low expectations. After a few solid listens today I can say that it's good, not great. Some good tracks overall and a few duds. Seems on par with most Bruce's solo output. Nothing I'll go back too often but not terrible.

It's only on par with bruce's other solo work if you don't include Accident of Birth or Chemical Wedding.  I actually otherwise agree.  It feels completely in line with the other 4 solo albums and "good but not great" is how I'd describe it after 3 or 4 listens now. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: The Realm on March 04, 2024, 03:20:13 PM
I'm a big fan of most of Bruce's solo work. The Chemical Wedding (especially) and Accident at Birth are both awesome albums. The new album is nowhere near that level and like Wolfking I really didn't like it at all on my first listen. After a few more spins I am enjoying it and put it in the good, not great bucket.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 04, 2024, 03:29:04 PM
I'm a big fan of most of Bruce's solo work. The Chemical Wedding (especially) and Accident at Birth are both awesome albums. The new album is nowhere near that level and like Wolfking I really didn't like it at all on my first listen. After a few more spins I am enjoying it and put it in the good, not great bucket.

Good to read.  I'm sure it will open up with some more spins.

I too like everything Bruce has done.  Picasso is criminally underrated and Skunkworks is top 3 behind the obvious two.  TM is a fun listen but is at the bottom of the pile.  There's some real cringe moments on that one but Son of A Gun is a classic.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nick_z on March 04, 2024, 03:32:58 PM
Yep, couple more listens in and still pretty disappointing to me, unfortunately. Like I said before, I feel it overall sounds a bit “tired”. I mean, it is to be commended that Bruce didn’t go for something totally obvious but, even without comparing to his past work, there isn’t much that wowed me.

If I DO compare it to his past work, though, I think it’s quite lacking. And not just vs. Accident or Chemical.



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: emtee on March 04, 2024, 03:40:49 PM
I listened twice. Honestly, both listens required a bit of dedication to get through. Certainly not bad by any means but just not an album I will want to spin again.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: goo-goo on March 04, 2024, 04:10:14 PM
The album sounds way better in Atmos than the stereo. There are lot of details and small sound effects/vocal effects that get lost in the stereo. But it's a good album, not great. A bit difficult to digest compared to the rest of his solo discography.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 04, 2024, 04:37:24 PM
Honestly think this has that Chinese Democracy cloud surrounding it.

After 'allegedly' working on this for what, some 15 odd years fans can't be blamed for having high expectations for this record.  Unfair no doubt but guess the high bench mark left by those heyday classics have become the albatross around Bruce's neck ( ;)) particularly given the long wait.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on March 04, 2024, 04:40:55 PM
Honestly think this has that Chinese Democracy cloud surrounding it.

After 'allegedly' working on this for what, some 15 odd years fans can't be blamed for having high expectations for this record.  Unfair no doubt but guess the high bench mark left by those heyday classics have become the albatross around Bruce's neck ( ;)) particularly given the long wait.
I think this is about right. The album is also a hodgepodge like Chinese Democracy is in the sense that there's material that was recorded back in the 90s as well as in the mid 00s, which makes the album less cohesive. I think people have been away from Bruce's solo career for a very long time and forget that most of his solo discography is pretty spotty, aside from two albums.

Anyway the album is a grower, I'm enjoying it more after a couple additional listens.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Schurftkut on March 05, 2024, 09:32:29 AM
i've listened to a few tracks so i know what to expect when i see him live in may. Going to let the rest be a surprise for then :-)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on March 05, 2024, 10:21:22 AM
I bought The Mandrake Project. The CD is sitting on my kitchen table, not opened yet. I'll get to it tomorrow. I've listened twice on Spotify. I like it. It's not Accident of Birth (which for me, his his solo high point), but it's a solid listen.

A buddy of mine, Richie, from the Focus on Metal podcast, mentioned on FB the other day that Roy Z is absolutely underappreciated for what he's done for the solo careers of both Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford. I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 05, 2024, 05:20:31 PM
But of course not underappreciated to us fans of Bruce and Rob though ;)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nel on March 05, 2024, 06:16:36 PM
Interesting to read the background on "Eternity Has Failed". When I saw the song title, I thought it was a sequel to the Iron Maiden track.  :corn
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on March 05, 2024, 08:53:35 PM
Gave this a listen in the work van the last couple days, since I've been driving to a job much farther out that our normal jobsite radius. Just discovered I tagged all the songs wrong because I was reading the song titles on the back left to right by row first, and not by column first, so all the song titles were messed up.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 06, 2024, 12:05:08 AM
Gave this a listen in the work van the last couple days, since I've been driving to a job much farther out that our normal jobsite radius. Just discovered I tagged all the songs wrong because I was reading the song titles on the back left to right by row first, and not by column first, so all the song titles were messed up.

That would have been great in the mundane stories thread :lol

(Also the sort of the thing I'd do... I feel your pain!)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 06, 2024, 09:19:54 AM
I think the album is patchier than I was hoping, multiple more listens in. It's ok, though. I've made an edited playlist that is a fun 24 minutes. Basically removed everything from Eternity onwards with the exception of Mistress Of Mercy.

I'm not dissing it but quibbles:

The production and mix isn't great. You can hear there are some cool sound choices etc but it doesn't come over as well as it should somehow. Bruce's voice is often too loud and the drums sound very sterile.

The decision to include Eternity was a strange one, imo. We all know and love it from TBOS, but this is just a slightly different/inferior version.

Bruce sounds mighty throughout. Can't wait to see him soon.



Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2024, 09:26:09 AM
The decision to include Eternity was a strange one, imo. We all know and love it from TBOS, but this is just a slightly different/inferior version.

I wonder if opinions would change if Bruce's version came out first.  i'm not sure which I like better, but TBOS just sounds better to me.  Something with TMP sound is just off to my ears with the production.  I think it makes it harder to listen to for me, even if I think the songs are good.  I do love the keys though, for some reason, those sound good to me. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 06, 2024, 05:22:13 PM
So, I've had another two listens of this album pretty intensely.  The album is totally fine.  A lot of the inital thoughts I had still stand but I'd say it's a pretty good, enjoyable record.  Still not sold on Resurrection Man, but it's growing.  Also still don't like Face in the Mirror and I really can't get into Sonata.  I think that's a major flop if I'm being honest.  Everything else is pretty enjoyable.

Mistress is funny to me.  Has the Freak riff but then has strong Skunkwork melodies over the top.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 07, 2024, 01:33:20 AM
Mistress is sort of a Skunkworks / Accident crossover. It reminds me of both Headswitch and Freak. That's one of the songs that would truly benefit from a better production, though.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 07, 2024, 01:39:49 AM
Outside of a couple of songs, I never thought Accident of Birth was as good as most think. I find Accident of Birth and Darkside of Aquarious head and shoulders above the rest, the latter being one of my favourite tunes, possibly ever. I think the new album is a bit better from start to finish than Accident of Birth, but not quite as good as Tyranny. I still think Chemical Wedding is the pinnacle of his output.

I don't think anything comes close to the majesty of the live version of Tears of a Dragon, though. One of my favourites solos ever, anywhere.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 07, 2024, 02:19:48 AM
Accident of Birth is awesome. The only songs I wouldn't call a masterpiece are Freak, Welcome to the Pit and Magician and they're all quite good anyway.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 07, 2024, 02:23:31 AM
Accident of Birth is awesome. The only songs I wouldn't call a masterpiece are Freak, Welcome to the Pit and Magician and they're all quite good anyway.

Damn!  I love the old-school up and go of Magician.  Was a standout on first spin back in 97 and still remains an album fave now.

For me it's something like...

1. Darkside Of Aquarius
2. Road To Hell
3. Magician
4. Acc Of Birth
5. Arc Of Space

\m/
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 07, 2024, 04:24:30 AM
Outside of a couple of songs, I never thought Accident of Birth was as good as most think. I find Accident of Birth and Darkside of Aquarious head and shoulders above the rest, the latter being one of my favourite tunes, possibly ever. I think the new album is a bit better from start to finish than Accident of Birth, but not quite as good as Tyranny. I still think Chemical Wedding is the pinnacle of his output.

I don't think anything comes close to the majesty of the live version of Tears of a Dragon, though. One of my favourites solos ever, anywhere.

Which live version mate?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on March 07, 2024, 06:36:00 AM
I bought The Mandrake Project. The CD is sitting on my kitchen table, not opened yet. I'll get to it tomorrow. I've listened twice on Spotify. I like it. It's not Accident of Birth (which for me, his his solo high point), but it's a solid listen.

A buddy of mine, Richie, from the Focus on Metal podcast, mentioned on FB the other day that Roy Z is absolutely underappreciated for what he's done for the solo careers of both Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford. I couldn't agree more.

I was thinking of this yesterday. Without Roy Z it's possible Dickinson never goes back to full-on metal mode and the reunion never happens. So far all those who can't get enough of Blaze, all those reunion albums you love wouldn't have happened if Blaze was still in the band. I bring this up because I think there is a large crossover between the Blaze fans and the reunion era fans. The reunion era sound had its germination in 1995.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 07, 2024, 07:02:52 AM
Outside of a couple of songs, I never thought Accident of Birth was as good as most think. I find Accident of Birth and Darkside of Aquarious head and shoulders above the rest, the latter being one of my favourite tunes, possibly ever. I think the new album is a bit better from start to finish than Accident of Birth, but not quite as good as Tyranny. I still think Chemical Wedding is the pinnacle of his output.

I don't think anything comes close to the majesty of the live version of Tears of a Dragon, though. One of my favourites solos ever, anywhere.

I suppose I should go back to revisit, but I don't have AoB or CW "head and shoulders" (my words) above the rest either.  And I have two live versions of TotD, one from the "Scream For Me Brazil" set, and one from a live Skunkworks show, both on his "Anthology" DVD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on March 07, 2024, 08:59:46 AM
I bought The Mandrake Project. The CD is sitting on my kitchen table, not opened yet. I'll get to it tomorrow. I've listened twice on Spotify. I like it. It's not Accident of Birth (which for me, his his solo high point), but it's a solid listen.

A buddy of mine, Richie, from the Focus on Metal podcast, mentioned on FB the other day that Roy Z is absolutely underappreciated for what he's done for the solo careers of both Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford. I couldn't agree more.

I was thinking of this yesterday. Without Roy Z it's possible Dickinson never goes back to full-on metal mode and the reunion never happens. So far all those who can't get enough of Blaze, all those reunion albums you love wouldn't have happened if Blaze was still in the band. I bring this up because I think there is a large crossover between the Blaze fans and the reunion era fans. The reunion era sound had its germination in 1995.

I saw a comment online last week about Blaze - HE RUINED THE BAND!  The old-school, 80's Iron Maiden fans that love Number of the Beast because it came out when they were in high school will never accept Blaze.  A lot of fans turned around and embraced those two albums for what they are, but there will also be detractors as well  Less and less as the years go on, but still there in the background. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 07, 2024, 09:45:21 AM
Outside of a couple of songs, I never thought Accident of Birth was as good as most think. I find Accident of Birth and Darkside of Aquarious head and shoulders above the rest, the latter being one of my favourite tunes, possibly ever. I think the new album is a bit better from start to finish than Accident of Birth, but not quite as good as Tyranny. I still think Chemical Wedding is the pinnacle of his output.

I don't think anything comes close to the majesty of the live version of Tears of a Dragon, though. One of my favourites solos ever, anywhere.

Which live version mate?

Sorry mate... just checked and I got the Scream for me Brazil solo mixed up with the recorded version. But the recorded version is still one of my favourite solos ever, anywhere :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: fibreoptix on March 07, 2024, 12:09:23 PM
So, how about an early days ranking?

After a fair few listens over the last week, I think at the moment I'm feeling something like this:

1. Shadow of the Gods
2. Many Doors to Hell
3. Fingers in the Wounds
4. Eternity Has Failed
5. Rain on the Graves
6. Resurrection Men
7. Afterglow of Ragnarok
8. Sonata
9. Face in the Mirror
10. Mistress of Mercy
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 07, 2024, 01:09:06 PM
Dream Team..love you man, but....


I was thinking of this yesterday. Without Roy Z it's possible Dickinson never goes back to full-on metal mode and the reunion never happens.

Yikes, that's lathering it on Roy Z pretty thick, no?
When and how did Roy Z get Bruce back into full on metal mode? I mean, is this something that Bruce has mentioned?

I don't think it had anything to do with the Reunion, honestly. Bruce was sick of playing clubs...he has said that, and it didn't work out with Blaze. Bruce and Steve reuniting was a business decision. Turns out, they needed each other.

Sure, Roy Z proved to be an admirable partner for Bruce through much of his solo career, but let's not overstate things.


So far all those who can't get enough of Blaze, all those reunion albums you love wouldn't have happened if Blaze was still in the band.

Who are these people? I have never seen one instance of someone wishing Blaze was still in Iron Maiden.


The reunion era sound had its germination in 1995.

Sure. I won't dispute that.


Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2024, 01:12:42 PM
If other people started lukewarm on the album and are warming up to it, I would say my curve is somewhat the opposite and 5 listens in I feel like it's hit a ceiling (for now at least) where I'm still enjoying it but maybe at a 7/10 (or 7.5/10) level. For me the standouts I enjoy the most are Mistress of Mercy, Fingers in the Wounds and Face in the Mirror. The latter 2 have a different vibe compared to most of the album and Mistress of Mercy has a great riff and a catchy chorus. Most of the album is good though, it's just missing more standout tracks for me to rate it higher.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 07, 2024, 03:14:43 PM
I was thinking of this yesterday. Without Roy Z it's possible Dickinson never goes back to full-on metal mode and the reunion never happens. So far all those who can't get enough of Blaze, all those reunion albums you love wouldn't have happened if Blaze was still in the band. I bring this up because I think there is a large crossover between the Blaze fans and the reunion era fans. The reunion era sound had its germination in 1995.

Well I guess that would include me then.  Love those Blaze records and and enjoyed almost everything he's done since.

But certainly wouldn't want to have changed anything.  The reunion with Bruce and Adrian was one of the best things for metal at that time and a  couple of those reunion albums are well up there too. 

For curiosity might have been interesting to have had another Blaze fronted IM album but personally wouldn't have wanted it any other way?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on March 07, 2024, 03:45:36 PM
Blaze has said in interviews that his third album with the band would have been where that lineup hit its stride, but I never bought that. Maiden minus Bruce had some real problems, mainly nobody to challenge Steve or play off his ideas the way Bruce does/did. The album would have been made in Steve's barn and there would still be no producer. We know what songs would be included to some degree - some version of Blood Brothers, Dream of Mirrors, The Thin Line Between Love and Hate, The Nomad, The Mercenary, probably some songs that ended up on Silicon Messiah like Stare at the Sun. But Silicon Messiah worked because the songs were written to fit Blaze's vocals and it was given a really modern Metal production. Brave New World worked because it had a producer and it was a much more collaborative effort than what we got on Virtual XI. Those first three songs alone each have Bruce, Steve, and one guitar player in the writing credits. Just a lot more variety in the songwriting that makes the album a lot more vast than what Maiden were doing without Bruce and Adrian.

Funnily enough, Senjutsu was kinda eye opening in showing that Steve's writing style hasn't changed that much in 25+ years. It's the most Steve album since Virtual (several songs are credited to him alone as opposed to only one solo Harris composition per reunion album previously). Lost In a Lost World in particular sounds like it came straight out of the X Factor sessions and you can easily imagine Blaze tackling the low vocal melodies. I really enjoy the album, but recently it seems like Bruce only wants to write with Adrian and I hear a pretty stark contrast between the songs they wrote together and the rest of the album.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 07, 2024, 04:01:31 PM
What you say there is really interesting. I'd love to hear from the band about their creative process. Maiden is quite tight-lipped about their interpersonal and creative dynamics. Maybe that's a good thing. Mystique is probably more important than I care to admit.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on March 07, 2024, 08:06:17 PM
So, I've had another two listens of this album pretty intensely.  The album is totally fine.  A lot of the inital thoughts I had still stand but I'd say it's a pretty good, enjoyable record.  Still not sold on Resurrection Man, but it's growing.  Also still don't like Face in the Mirror and I really can't get into Sonata.  I think that's a major flop if I'm being honest.  Everything else is pretty enjoyable.

Mistress is funny to me.  Has the Freak riff but then has strong Skunkwork melodies over the top.

This one is growing on me a lot. Resurrection Man has that cool riff in the middle,  a quick breakdown.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 07, 2024, 10:19:41 PM
So, how about an early days ranking?

After a fair few listens over the last week, I think at the moment I'm feeling something like this:

1. Shadow of the Gods
2. Many Doors to Hell
3. Fingers in the Wounds
4. Eternity Has Failed
5. Rain on the Graves
6. Resurrection Men
7. Afterglow of Ragnarok
8. Sonata
9. Face in the Mirror
10. Mistress of Mercy

1. Shadow of the Gods
2. Many Doors to Hell
3. Mistress of Mercy
4. Fingers in the Wounds
5. Resurrection Men
6. Afterglow of Ragnarok
7. Rain on the Graves
8. Sonata
9.Eternity Has Failed
10. Face in the Mirror
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 08, 2024, 01:50:34 AM
I'll give it a shot:

1. Many doors to hell
2. Shadow of the Gods
3. Rain on the graves
4. Eternity has failed
5. Sonata
6. Mistress of mercy
7. Afterglow of Ragnarok
8. Fingers in the wounds
9. Face in the mirror
10. Resurrection men

I'm enjoying the album quite a bit, and it's no wonder it's so good if Roy Z and Bruce spent 20 years singling out the best bits.  :lol Interestingly enough, both the direct, catchy hard rock tunes are as well done as the more complex tracks. I'm not too thrilled about the sound, some of the songs like Mistress would profit from a better production. But still, a good release I'd put right behind Chemical wedding, Accident and Skunkworks.

Also, Bruce sounds truly impressive for a 65 year old.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 08, 2024, 04:00:25 AM
It's hard for me to do a proper ranking, I'll go by categories:

- Absolute favorite: Shadow of the Gods
- Love them and would pick them for the live show: Afterglow of Ragnarok, Many Doors to Hell, Face In the Mirror, Resurrection Men
- Not OMG OMG OMG about it, but still I like them just fine: Rain on the Graves, Fingers in the Wounds, Mistress of Mercy, Sonata (Immortal Beloved)
- Can't really rate it 'cause I knew the Maiden version of the song for almost 9 years and now I find the same song but somehow different: Eternity Has Failed
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Samsara on March 08, 2024, 11:42:35 AM
After my initial excitement, I've cooled significantly on Bruce's latest. I'll keep it in rotation for a time, but not as blown away as I thought I'd be.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2024, 06:13:47 PM
Wow, this is interesting..


https://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-drummer-nicko-mcbrain-performs-the-maiden-legacy-medley-at-52nd-mountbatten-festival-of-music-at-london-s-royal-albert-hall-video

Nice footage.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 11, 2024, 01:13:42 AM
This is rather cool, thank you for sharing!

Loved those two guitar solos in Aces High!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 11, 2024, 01:21:27 AM
Wow. This version of Run to the Hills is almost euphoric :metal

Enjoyed every second of that performance. Excellent interpretations of all three songs.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 11, 2024, 02:29:40 PM
Stadler, here's the album review you wrote:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/bruce-dickinson-the-mandrake-project-album-review-by-bill-feltovic/

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DTwwbwMP on March 11, 2024, 02:54:18 PM
^ While there's NO WAY I'd give TMP an 8 rating (I'd give a 6.5/7), that was an awesome review!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2024, 03:01:45 PM
^ While there's NO WAY I'd give TMP an 8 rating (I'd give a 6.5/7), that was an awesome review!

Yeah, nicely written Stadler.  I also agree, the album is a 7 to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 11, 2024, 03:17:01 PM
I couldn't really go into it in the review, because it's not about me, per se, but I know that when I hear the songs separately, I think "wow this is pretty good!"   When I hear them one after another and I'm inevitably thinking "so, how does this fit with that song?" it loses a lot of luster.  But, Mistress of Mercy and Resurrection Men are, I think, pretty fucking good songs.  I like them.  I don't know what the hell they mean in the big picture, but still!! 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 12, 2024, 07:52:35 AM
Happy birthday to Steve Harris, who turns 68 years old today :birch:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Indiscipline on March 12, 2024, 09:12:02 AM
So West Ham Steve and our King share the same birthday.

It makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2024, 01:32:49 PM
Happy birthday to one of the most important musicians in the history of heavy metal  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2024, 02:17:53 PM
Happy birthday to Steve Harris, who turns 68 years old today :birch:

WoW!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 12, 2024, 05:26:19 PM
Happy birthday to Steve Harris, who turns 68 years old today :birch:

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 14, 2024, 09:13:32 PM
Dream Team..love you man, but....


I was thinking of this yesterday. Without Roy Z it's possible Dickinson never goes back to full-on metal mode and the reunion never happens.

Yikes, that's lathering it on Roy Z pretty thick, no?
When and how did Roy Z get Bruce back into full on metal mode? I mean, is this something that Bruce has mentioned?


I distinctly recall an interview with Bruce from back in those days. He was adamantly against making a metal record. He wanted to stay in the Picasso/Skunkworks lane.

Then Roy played him some demos he had for what ended up becoming Accident. Bruce was reluctant, but eventually gave in and said, well, I guess I am making a metal record.

Based on what I know from that time, I would concur that Roy was the catalyst to getting Bruce back into full on metal.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 14, 2024, 11:47:33 PM
ProffesorPeart is 100% right.

Bruce covered off on this in a few interviews around that time which I have tucked away but also captured in Dave Ling's write up for the 2005 Accident Of Birth remaster booklet. 

Quoting a few paragraphs by Ling...

(Referring to the aftermath of Skunkworks)... Bruce has publicly stated his belief that nobody wanted to hear from him anymore. 

"It's true" he affirms. "Why try to deny it?  That was the very unpleasant reality of the situation".  Roy Z, guitarist of the band Tribe of Gypsies and a Dickinson collaborator since the Balls To Picasso album, was the catalyst that helped to rouse him from his disappointment.  Z played a few killer riffs down the phone and Bruce knew that it was time to return to what he did best.

"I'll never forget the late-night phone call from Roy Z that got me moving again." reminisces Bruce now.  "I'd been pacing around my living room, with no idea what to do next.  He played me the opening riff to Accident Of Birth and before too long I'd come up with the words and a tune.  I was on a plane to see him in Los Angeles the very next day.  We wrote half the album in five days...".

"It was completely politically incorrect to do a totally balls-out record again" he told me in 1997.  "That had to be a good thing - so I did it."... "It's a heavy metal album absolutely"... 


Ohh and side-note (still quoting Ling here)... Amazingly, given all of the above, the album was even less of a commercial success than Skunkworks.

But yes in 1997 Roy proved to be the missing ingredient and the push at getting Bruce back to metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 15, 2024, 02:30:32 AM
Can you imagine how much happened in such a short time?

1996 - Bruce feeling probably disillusioned after Skunkworks
1997 - Back to metal (and Adrian) with Accident of Birth
1998 - One of the best heavy metal albums ever, Chemical Wedding
1999 - Reunion with Iron Maiden

 :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 15, 2024, 03:47:12 AM
Ok, thank you for clearing that up. but honestly, I just cannot buy that Bruce was not calculated every step of the way. If Roy Z helped Bruce decide to make a ..."metal"...record, then fine. He was a good collaborator for Bruce, but I have a hard time accepting that the Reunion was because of it. Again, maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 15, 2024, 04:14:28 AM
Yeah look those quotes I posted were pretty much in context regards what was being thrown about the press from what I remember?

And given Skunkworks was a deliberate attempt to distance himself further from Maiden than even Balls To Picasso, I really do believe Bruce was a little lost regards what to do next after Skunkworks failed to take hold (sidenote I loved it!).

But sure you are probably right to some degree am sure going back to a more metal approach was already a consideration.  Hard to imagine how it couldn't have been.  But regardless, from what Bruce was saying then and since, Roy coming back really does seem to have been the turning point.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 15, 2024, 04:33:27 AM
Yeah look those quotes I posted were pretty much in context regards what was being thrown about the press from what I remember?

And given Skunkworks was a deliberate attempt to distance himself further from Maiden than even Balls To Picasso, I really do believe Bruce was a little lost regards what to do next after Skunkworks failed to take hold (sidenote I loved it!).

But sure you are probably right to some degree am sure going back to a more metal approach was already a consideration.  Hard to imagine how it couldn't have been.  But regardless, from what Bruce was saying then and since, Roy coming back really does seem to have been the turning point.


I think Bruce not being on a big stage was the turning point. Being artistic is great and all, but Bruce was following the money.  I mean, that's great about the direction they went in with AOB, but it was still the same band as BTP. I think he found a partner, and we can give him some credit for helping Bruce with a direction for AOB, fine, but I'm not extrapolating that to the Reunion because that was always going to happen because it was the only thing that made $ense for both sides.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: WardySI on March 15, 2024, 06:46:46 AM
Yep can't argue with that either.

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 15, 2024, 07:03:06 AM
Ok, thank you for clearing that up. but honestly, I just cannot buy that Bruce was not calculated every step of the way. If Roy Z helped Bruce decide to make a ..."metal"...record, then fine. He was a good collaborator for Bruce, but I have a hard time accepting that the Reunion was because of it. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

I'm kind of with you; Bruce likes to send the message that he's flying by the seat of his pants, but... I don't buy that.   I'm not going to go back and quote, but it was a similar story around "Balls...".  There weren't THREE DIFFERENT VERSIONS because Bruce was simply following his muse... 

I also agree with TAC on the reunion; the "music" is only part of it.   He was not able to do the theatrical aspect of the shows in a club like Toad's Place.  It's not a coincidence that upon his return Bruce is almost co-captain with Harris and is largely responsible for the theatrical aspect of the band.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Glasser on March 15, 2024, 11:30:43 AM
Ok, thank you for clearing that up. but honestly, I just cannot buy that Bruce was not calculated every step of the way. If Roy Z helped Bruce decide to make a ..."metal"...record, then fine. He was a good collaborator for Bruce, but I have a hard time accepting that the Reunion was because of it. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

I'm kind of with you; Bruce likes to send the message that he's flying by the seat of his pants, but... I don't buy that.   I'm not going to go back and quote, but it was a similar story around "Balls...".  There weren't THREE DIFFERENT VERSIONS because Bruce was simply following his muse... 

I also agree with TAC on the reunion; the "music" is only part of it.   He was not able to do the theatrical aspect of the shows in a club like Toad's Place.  It's not a coincidence that upon his return Bruce is almost co-captain with Harris and is largely responsible for the theatrical aspect of the band.

Temple Balls To Picasso! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 15, 2024, 11:44:00 AM
Yeah look those quotes I posted were pretty much in context regards what was being thrown about the press from what I remember?

And given Skunkworks was a deliberate attempt to distance himself further from Maiden than even Balls To Picasso, I really do believe Bruce was a little lost regards what to do next after Skunkworks failed to take hold (sidenote I loved it!).

But sure you are probably right to some degree am sure going back to a more metal approach was already a consideration.  Hard to imagine how it couldn't have been.  But regardless, from what Bruce was saying then and since, Roy coming back really does seem to have been the turning point.


I think Bruce not being on a big stage was the turning point. Being artistic is great and all, but Bruce was following the money.  I mean, that's great about the direction they went in with AOB, but it was still the same band as BTP. I think he found a partner, and we can give him some credit for helping Bruce with a direction for AOB, fine, but I'm not extrapolating that to the Reunion because that was always going to happen because it was the only thing that made $ense for both sides.

To quote Steve Harris: "Bruce would make a country & western album if he thought it would sell".
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on March 15, 2024, 06:18:26 PM
Thanks for the added info. Also remember, if no Bruce back in Maiden then no Adrian back. Yikes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zantera on March 16, 2024, 12:51:24 AM
I love Skunkworks (my second favorite of his) and I think the timing of it is interesting in multiple ways. The 90s kinda saw the death of 80s metal and a lot of bands were either becoming weaker versions of what they were before (like Maiden with Blaze, no offense!) or they had completely changed directions and were doing something different (Metallica for example). The big alternative rock scene as well as grunge was the new wave of exciting rock music coming out and I think Skunkworks definitely tips its hat to a bunch of 90s bands, for me I get a lot of Smashing Pumpkins and Soundgarden from it. However you look at those 90s bands and where they were in 96 and that wave of new rock music was almost dying out in a way as well. Nirvana had died with Kurt Cobain, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains were both sort of reaching their end (a long hiatus), Pearl Jam had kinda changed their sound around and Smashing Pumpkins were about to leave a lot of their rock roots behind to explore a more electronic sound on Adore a few years later.

So Skunkworks, as much as I love it (i'm a 90s kid after all) almost feels a bit like someone arriving late to the party. Bruce makes this album and it felt like the general reception was "Come on keep up dad, we're already past that point and onto the next thing". Going back to what worked before, in this case a more traditional heavy metal sound might seem like the easy way out but it really does feel like that sound was dead at the time and Maiden weren't really hitting homeruns either so it feels like Bruce kinda revived it with Accident and Chemical Wedding.

I remember in his early solo career it felt like a big thing to distance himself from Maiden. He wanted to make his solo stuff be the center of attention and to my knowledge he didn't really bring out the Maiden classics to carry his solo shows. (Correct me if I'm wrong) But I know he brought out The Prisoner on the Skunkworks tour and that felt like a tiny spark to get him back in that mindset. On the Accident tour he played multiple Maiden songs - 2 Minutes to Midnight, Powerslave, Flight of Icarus and Run to the Hills (maybe one or two more I'm missing) and some of these he would keep playing during the Chemical Wedding tour. So even before he rejoined Maiden it felt like there was a build up to that happening.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 18, 2024, 07:14:14 AM

So Skunkworks, as much as I love it (i'm a 90s kid after all) almost feels a bit like someone arriving late to the party. Bruce makes this album and it felt like the general reception was "Come on keep up dad, we're already past that point and onto the next thing".

I don't know if that's EXACTLY right, but it's certainly the right idea.  The whole concept of that grunge era was taking what came before - grunge is VERY heavily rooted in the sort of 80's rock that became a sort of joke - and stripping it of all the things that made it "excessive". It wasn't very long until people realized that musically there wasn't a ton of difference between Pearl Jam musically and it's progenitors (The Who, UFO/Kiss, The Doors).   There wasn't a ton of difference between Soundgarden and it's progenitors (Sabbath, The Stones, The Melvins).  It was more attitude than anything to do with the music; and I think it's not a coincidence that NONE of the "grunge" era records from established acts - Slang, Carnival of Souls, etc., there are others - really made any firm impact, and none of them really signaled any sustainable departure from those bands' established courses. 

Bruce fell into that.  I really like Skunkworks (contrast:  I haven't listened to Slang or CoS in years and have zero desire to do so any time soon).  I don't look at it the same way as many of you do; I don't look at Skunkworks as some huge departure or a "grunge" album or anything like that; it's just another record from a singer I like, and when I listen to it I get pleasure (I'm not as sold on the two "biggies" - AoB and TCW - as most people are; neither of those are necessarily my favorite Bruce solo albums).  I don't think that record would have gotten traction if it was Sgt. Pepper's Number of the Lightning Puppets.   It didn't have what the music industry was looking for at that time and that was fresh, new, young, attitude. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: DoctorAction on March 18, 2024, 02:58:34 PM
I've not been back the TMP project much. Priest and Everything Everything have taken most of my attention. If the production on TMP was great then I probably would have listened more but I think it's going to end up as another ok Bruce record that I almost never play. Nothing seriously wrong with it but isn't Delivering The Goods for me, truth be told.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on March 18, 2024, 06:57:22 PM
I've not been back the TMP project much. Priest and Everything Everything have taken most of my attention. If the production on TMP was great then I probably would have listened more but I think it's going to end up as another ok Bruce record that I almost never play. Nothing seriously wrong with it but isn't Delivering The Goods for me, truth be told.

After my initial excitement, I've cooled significantly on Bruce's latest. I'll keep it in rotation for a time, but not as blown away as I thought I'd be.


I'm in the same boat.  There's 2-3, maybe 4 songs on the record that I really like.  But I've also cooled on this one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 18, 2024, 07:02:32 PM
So, I think this is gonna be a grower, and once we realize and accept that it's not (whatever album/fill in the blank), we'll be able to sit back and enjoy it. After leaving it alone for a week or so, I played it at work the other day, and it was actually a really nice listen.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: NoseofNicko on March 18, 2024, 07:03:55 PM
I love the album personally. It has a really high replay value for me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: wolfking on March 18, 2024, 08:17:39 PM
I haven't had any urge to go back to it at all truthfully but I might tomorrow in between roulette rounds tomorrow.  I'm sure it will age fine and I think I'll enjoy it more going back into it after a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 19, 2024, 08:55:04 AM

So Skunkworks, as much as I love it (i'm a 90s kid after all) almost feels a bit like someone arriving late to the party. Bruce makes this album and it felt like the general reception was "Come on keep up dad, we're already past that point and onto the next thing".

I don't know if that's EXACTLY right, but it's certainly the right idea.  The whole concept of that grunge era was taking what came before - grunge is VERY heavily rooted in the sort of 80's rock that became a sort of joke - and stripping it of all the things that made it "excessive". It wasn't very long until people realized that musically there wasn't a ton of difference between Pearl Jam musically and it's progenitors (The Who, UFO/Kiss, The Doors).   There wasn't a ton of difference between Soundgarden and it's progenitors (Sabbath, The Stones, The Melvins).  It was more attitude than anything to do with the music; and I think it's not a coincidence that NONE of the "grunge" era records from established acts - Slang, Carnival of Souls, etc., there are others - really made any firm impact, and none of them really signaled any sustainable departure from those bands' established courses. 

Bruce fell into that.  I really like Skunkworks (contrast:  I haven't listened to Slang or CoS in years and have zero desire to do so any time soon).  I don't look at it the same way as many of you do; I don't look at Skunkworks as some huge departure or a "grunge" album or anything like that; it's just another record from a singer I like, and when I listen to it I get pleasure (I'm not as sold on the two "biggies" - AoB and TCW - as most people are; neither of those are necessarily my favorite Bruce solo albums).  I don't think that record would have gotten traction if it was Sgt. Pepper's Number of the Lightning Puppets.   It didn't have what the music industry was looking for at that time and that was fresh, new, young, attitude.

Ah, Skunkworks. Back when the world was young, it was just a couple of years since I discovered foreign rock music (thank you Bon Jovi with Always) and I eventually became a metalhead in 1995. Iron Maiden quickly became my favorite band and Bruce my favorite singer, and so the new albums from both parties since I became a fan were The X Factor and eventually Skunkworks.

Also in that time frame Load came out, not that it has anything to do with Bruce but imagine the situation: young fan, musical tastes still developing, a sort of "musical ignorance" 'cause I barely understood the difference between the genres, so the fact that grunge was a thing, what was "classic metal" and what not, and how Skunkworks could be labelled just fly over my head.

Bruce solo and "out of metal" so to speak was small enough to appear on random italian TV afternoon shows, back when MTV and musical programs were still a thing, and I taped the acoustic showcase and interview on a VHS; I still remember he performed (along with guitarist Alex  Dickson) Inertia, Re-Entry (great b-side) and Tears of the Dragon.

It was a new album from my favorite singer, I liked it anyway and I still do. Yeah, anything that came after was better, but Skunkworks has still a soft spot in my heart 'cause it came when my musical world was still virgin and there to explore, and whatever song I'll hear live (if any) will be gladly welcomed.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Dream Team on March 19, 2024, 01:29:46 PM
The fact that you developed good musical taste despite coming into it during that time period is very impressive  :tup. That period was the literal dearth when it comes to good music by legacy bands.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 19, 2024, 01:40:53 PM
Foreign rock music=Bon Jovi  :lol

I laughed when I read this.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 19, 2024, 01:56:01 PM
Hey, that's how I started  :lol I wasn't completely oblivious to rock, but I mainly listened to whatever the radio was passing (I was a young teen after all, in the pre internet days), my first exposure to the fact that there was music that was not italian and that was somehow "heavy", or heavier than the stuff the radio was passing, was Bon Jovi, and then Guns n' Roses.

Then the next step after dipping my feet with rock n' roll was Iron Maiden...... and here I am in my 40s a metalhead to this day  :metal

And yeah, as Dream Team pointed out, imagine becoming a metalhead, still figuring out what the genre is all about, and Iron Maiden release The X Factor, Metallica release Load and Bruce releases Skunkworks, with the power metal resurgence still a couple of years away. It was some weird formative years for sure  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 21, 2024, 07:03:11 AM
I'm in the habit of doing setlist-like compilations for my round trip to work, which lasts 90 minutes or slightly more, so here's my imaginary "Bruce concert", in reality if the playing time is 95 minutes it would go past the 2 hours I guess and such a long setlist is a bit overkill, but hey, it's all in my head, so he doesn't have to play 20 songs, doesn't he?  :biggrin:

Anyway, here's what I came up, you're all invited to my imaginary show:

Eternity has Failed straight into
Afterglow of Ragnarok
Accident of Birth straight into
King in Crimson
Many Doors to Hell
Soul Intruders
Face in the Mirror
Kill Devil Hill
Rain on the Graves
Starchildren
Shadow of the Gods
The Tower
Resurrection Men
Innerspace
Tyranny of Souls
Tears of the Dragon
Road to Hell
=============== encore
Mars Within /
Abduction
Chemical Wedding
Silver Wings
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 07:33:17 AM
^^^ I'd go see that. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 21, 2024, 07:39:22 AM
I would be absolutely thrilled to see that show. Kudos for including The Tower, that one is a must in my opinion. So is Shadow of the Gods, when it comes to the new tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 08:09:58 AM
I'd love if Bruce announced some dates near me.  That set would be killer, but it's honestly too good that it'll never happen  :lol
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 21, 2024, 08:26:06 AM
I'd love if Bruce announced some dates near me.  That set would be killer, but it's honestly too good that it'll never happen  :lol

Where do you think he'll play?   Irving Plaza? 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 08:29:09 AM
I'd love if Bruce announced some dates near me.  That set would be killer, but it's honestly too good that it'll never happen  :lol

Where do you think he'll play?   Irving Plaza?

Nah, too small.  I'd say for NYC, Hammerstein Ballroom, Terminal 5, or Beacon Theater are more likely. I havent checked his current dates, to see if they are GA or theater type venues.  But 1k capacity in NYC is not big enough for Bruce.  3-5k IMO seems more likely to me.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 21, 2024, 10:10:02 AM
^^^ I'd go see that.

Nah. It's completely invalidated due to the absence of Darkside of Aquarius :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 21, 2024, 11:33:20 AM
I'd love if Bruce announced some dates near me.  That set would be killer, but it's honestly too good that it'll never happen  :lol

Where do you think he'll play?   Irving Plaza?

He's doing one show in the Observatory in Santa Ana (500 people capacity) and the re-sale prices on the secondary markets is around $175.00.  He could have filled either the House of Blues in Anaheim or the Hollywood Palladium if the resale price for a small venue show is around $175.00.  No joke, if it's under $100.00, I may actually get that ticket and go to the show.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2024, 11:34:41 AM
^^^ I'd go see that.

Nah. It's completely invalidated due to the absence of Darkside of Aquarius :biggrin:

Yeah, a noticeable absence.  I think Bruce actually stated Skunkworks songs won't be played, so slot that in instead of Innerspace.

I'd love if Bruce announced some dates near me.  That set would be killer, but it's honestly too good that it'll never happen  :lol

Where do you think he'll play?   Irving Plaza?

He's doing one show in the Observatory in Santa Ana (500 people capacity) and the re-sale prices on the secondary markets is around $175.00.  He could have filled either the House of Blues in Anaheim or the Hollywood Palladium  if the resale price for a small venue show is around $175.00.  No joke, if it's under $100.00, I may actually get that ticket and go to the show.

I believe that was advertised as a one off warm up gig.  Which also makes sense to have a smaller capacity.  I'd love to be there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 21, 2024, 12:51:47 PM
^^^ I'd go see that.

Nah. It's completely invalidated due to the absence of Darkside of Aquarius :biggrin:

That was the very first song I would have picked if I had room for one more  :D
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 21, 2024, 12:54:34 PM
^^^ I'd go see that.

Nah. It's completely invalidated due to the absence of Darkside of Aquarius :biggrin:

That was the very first song I would have picked if I had room for one more  :D


Yeah, a noticeable absence.  I think Bruce actually stated Skunkworks songs won't be played, so slot that in instead of Innerspace.

Actually in a recent interview I've seen on YouTube he said that guys in the band are fans of the album so he said talking about the setlist "well, I said that I wasn't going to play Skunkworks songs at first, but now I'm not so sure!"

And for the "well, d'uh" segment of the setlist talked, he said there will be songs from Chemical Wedding, Accident of Birth, and at least one from Balls to Picasso named by name, take a wild guess which one.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 25, 2024, 09:31:47 AM
The Hu are opening the US tour. WTF??
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2024, 09:35:36 AM
The Hu are opening the US tour. WTF??
My kid just told me. Exciting!  And fantastic for the Hu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 25, 2024, 09:36:47 AM
The Hu are opening the US tour. WTF??

Well deserved and a giant exposure for them!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2024, 09:38:00 AM
Well deserved and a giant exposure for them!
:tup
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2024, 09:38:42 AM
Who?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 25, 2024, 09:39:06 AM
Who?

The
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Grappler on March 25, 2024, 09:39:14 AM
At least they're better than Lauren Harris. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Zydar on March 25, 2024, 09:39:23 AM
Who?

No. Hu.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2024, 09:40:12 AM
The Hu go hard.  We saw them a couple of years ago.  We were pretty close to the front.  Fantastically entertaining.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Cool Chris on March 25, 2024, 09:42:12 AM
Are they on first?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2024, 09:42:44 AM
Mongolian metal band

Interesting music. But I'm not a huge fan of this choice.  I saw them open for Five Finger Death Punch and Megadeth a couple years ago.  They aren't bad and actually are pretty unique and offer something that you don't normally see.  It's just not music that makes me get excited I guess.  Much better than a Harris child, but not quite as good as some of the other openers they've had (Ghost, Within Temptation, Alice Cooper).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2024, 09:46:13 AM
Are they on first?
Yeah, they are opening for IM.

Mongolian metal band

Interesting music. But I'm not a huge fan of this choice.  I saw them open for Five Finger Death Punch and Megadeth a couple years ago.  They aren't bad and actually are pretty unique and offer something that you don't normally see.  It's just not music that makes me get excited I guess.  Much better than a Harris child, but not quite as good as some of the other openers they've had (Ghost, Within Temptation, Alice Cooper).
Yeah, but I would imagine that for most Maiden fans, it almost doesn't matter who the opener is, especially if it's a more similar act like those last 3 you mentioned, because hardcore IM fans are going regardless.

But this has me and my kid, neither of whom care for Maiden, excited about going to a Maiden show, because the Hu are opening. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mladen on March 25, 2024, 09:47:23 AM
Ghost is, to this day, the best band I've ever seen open for Iron Maiden. Not counting a festival when Slipknot went on beforehand.  :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2024, 09:52:45 AM
Yeah, they are opening for IM.
Yeah, but I would imagine that for most Maiden fans, it almost doesn't matter who the opener is, especially if it's a more similar act like those last 3 you mentioned, because hardcore IM fans are going regardless.

But this has me and my kid, neither of whom care for Maiden, excited about going to a Maiden show, because the Hu are opening.

Yeah, I'm mostly sharing my personal opinion which is kind of meh on them, but I get it.  The options could be significantly worse.  For the two shows I am going to, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them we miss the Hu and the other we see them. They aren't bad at all, just maybe not a band I would ahve chosen.  That's OK.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on March 25, 2024, 10:04:11 AM
At least they're better than Lauren Harris.

Excellent callback to the late naughties!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: El Barto on March 25, 2024, 10:21:26 AM
Never heard their music, but I'm familiar with them. That's honestly a pretty inspired choice. Kind of makes me want to see this in CDMX. I suspect Hu would go over pretty well down there.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 25, 2024, 11:19:01 AM
I'm excited at the idea of The Hu as an opener.  Throat-singing as a concept is always intriguing to look at and I think, "How do they keep themselves well-conditioned with that style of singing tour by tour?"

I would peg them to be a step up as an opener compared to me seeing Fozzy and The Raven Age opening for Maiden when I saw them in 2019 (and I had no issues with those two opening bands).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Mosh on March 25, 2024, 11:32:56 AM
Never heard of The Hu, but after years of complaining about Maiden bringing their kids on tour constantly I feel like people should be happy about this choice regardless.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: MirrorMask on March 25, 2024, 01:33:53 PM
Another way to see it: it's a very interesting and diverse band that most likely - unless they truly conquer you and you become a fan - you will never pay to see them live. You already were going to see Bruce anyway and would have been stuck with any support act that would have been chosen, why not take the chance to enjoy something you'll never see again?

(Side idea for a thread: bands that "I would probably never pay to go to their concert but if they pop up in a festival bill or as a support act, I'll make sure to not miss them"  ;D)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2024, 01:59:50 PM
Another way to see it: it's a very interesting and diverse band that most likely - unless they truly conquer you and you become a fan - you will never pay to see them live. You already were going to see Bruce anyway and would have been stuck with any support act that would have been chosen, why not take the chance to enjoy something you'll never see again?

(Side idea for a thread: bands that "I would probably never pay to go to their concert but if they pop up in a festival bill or as a support act, I'll make sure to not miss them"  ;D)

I think most people, myself included, would just generally like an opener that they want to see or know already.  I generally do agree with you.  The Hu are different and they aren't bad at all.  Check it out and maybe you'll like it, or come a little later.  While I may have a negative slant (just because I don't love them) this is generally not a bad choice.  It could be far worse and I honestly thought for sure we were getting a Harris child since they didn't announce an opener for so long.

Here's a video of mine from their show two summers ago:

The HU - Wolf Totem LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/14/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdKMqOGnlrs)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 25, 2024, 02:04:48 PM

Here's a video of mine from their show two summers ago:

The HU - Wolf Totem LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/14/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdKMqOGnlrs)

I'd have to be baked.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2024, 02:16:01 PM
I'd have to be baked.

 :rollin I was! I remember liking their set, but never thought to go back and listen to an album or go see them. They actually played locally since that show and I didn't attend.  It's a cool, unique and different style of metal they are doing, but it's not really for me or my tastes.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 25, 2024, 03:06:22 PM
I love The Hu because they blend their traditional cultural music with metal. Hearing traditional music mixed with contemporary styles of music intrigues me.

With that said, I have not seen them live. Which makes me a bit more disappointed that they are not stopping in NM.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 25, 2024, 03:08:57 PM
I love The Hu because they blend their traditional cultural music with metal. Hearing traditional music mixed with contemporary styles of music intrigues me.

With that said, I have not seen them live. Which makes me a bit more disappointed that they are not stopping in NM.

They just added a final date to the tour...in Phoenix.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 25, 2024, 04:42:19 PM
They just dropped a 1976 Pat Travers show from Rockpalast on YouTube. Nicko is on drums. You can actually see him! Cymbals are already far too high but his drums hadn't quite hit the obscene height they eventually got to.

https://youtu.be/JGZC0zKRGzs?si=Pt_WN2cYjGx--luo

Title: Re: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: TAC on March 27, 2024, 11:28:44 AM
New Paul Di'Anno 3 song single..
https://open.spotify.com/album/5vQsrFmcEzKHwgu4zBqNYr?si=5INCRg0CR2iekBvn9w8XeA