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Title: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on February 15, 2015, 04:23:12 PM
So let's hear your employment related woes !!!!!

Not just the bad stuff but the funny stuff too !!!!!


I think it's funny when customers order a drink, tap their credit card on the "contact less" card machine

and walk away before ive even put the order through.

Um. Sir. :p
Title: Re: Work related gripes V The wrath of Jay..
Post by: rumborak on February 15, 2015, 04:48:17 PM
I work with government agencies a lot, and frankly, most of them are absolute bozos. The other day this one guy suggested he would physically bring some of the product we're working on up to Boston, so we can test them. Mind you, they're tiny Android phones, so all he's really doing is putting them in his suitcase and flying up to Boston. Replies a different gov't guy: "You sir are a great American."
There was a collective forehead-slap in my office when we saw that email.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2015, 11:23:37 AM
I just can't bear impolite mumbling customers.

Me : Hello :)

Them : carammamammamemem

Me : What was that ? :)

Them : ( infinitesimally louder ) Caramel Macchiato

Me : To take-away ?

Them : ............yeh.

Me  : That's ( x amount ) please :)

Them : ( gives you money without making eye contact )

Me : And here's your chnage :)

Them : ..................
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on February 16, 2015, 11:28:34 AM
I worked at a place for a year and didn't do a thing. That really annoyed me. It sounds awesome, I know, but it really sucked.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Zook on February 16, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
I just can't bear impolite mumbling customers.

Me : Hello :)

Them : carammamammamemem

Me : What was that ? :)

Them : ( infinitesimally louder ) Caramel Macchiato

Me : To take-away ?

Them : ............yeh.

Me  : That's ( x amount ) please :)

Them : ( gives you money without making eye contact )

Me : And here's your chnage :)

Them : ..................

Someone has a crush on you.


Anyway, my latest work gripe is the fact that my grocery manager is being punished for a not so good inventory when he busted his ass to get everything ready to go. Meanwhile the assistant manager is a hypocritical piece of shit who is constantly bad mouthing him to upper management, and taking credit for all his work, and didn't even help him with setting up inventory. The crew and I did. On top of that, we had a walk the day after inventory, and the assist wasn't there, our frozen guy left early without finishing his job, and the inventory counters completely fucked up the store. We had no chance of making the store look good enough for corporate. So my grocery manager who's the best I've worked under (I've had a plethera of shitty ones) was threatened with being fired, and is now possibly transfered and good old assist, as far as I know as I've had the last couple nights off doesn't get any flak at all. The guy is worthless, no one on the crew likes him, but because he has his lips firmly puckered on upper management's ass, he might be sticking around.

I'll find out more tonight.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2015, 11:46:23 AM

Someone has a crush on you.



Unlikely - they're like that with all our staff  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 16, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
Orgy time
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 16, 2015, 12:19:04 PM
Rude customers, definitely. And shoplifters.

Then again, I don't really have the right to complain about my job (at the University Computer Store), given that I'm the one always messing up. The other day I flat-out sold someone the wrong computer. They didn't notice until an hour later and had to come back to change it out. I felt sooo bad  :blush  It's not for lack of trying, I'm just not very good with anything related to technology and the store doesn't make a point of training new employees...
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2015, 12:21:38 PM
Orgy time

:zydar: :zydarscouch: :zydar: :zydarscouch: :zydar: :zydarscouch: :zydar: :zydarscouch: :zydar: :zydarscouch:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 16, 2015, 01:05:32 PM
I just hate the fact that I am underpaid for all the shit I do. I got my "promotion", was given a specific list of duties I was to perform, and I did them. I showed a little initiative in wanting to help my supervisor. My regional supervisor hated the idea. Fast forward a bit, and he (plus the owner of the company apparently) decided to give me the little bit more responsibility I wanted, and then some. I went from a "shift leader" (which tells me that when I am off at 3, I AM OFF" to pretty much second in command there. There is no responsibility my supervisor has that I do not have the ability to take care of as well. The 3 days a week he is NOT there (his 2 days off, and then the one night shift he works), I am running the place. When my regional supervisor bumped my responsibilities up, he said there should be another raise attached to it. Hasn't happened. I don't mind doing all this shit. I feel fucking needed for once in my life. It's just NOT worth what I am making right now.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on February 16, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
It's a really hard conversation to have, but you need to be up front about that with your boss.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 16, 2015, 02:34:27 PM
We're supposed to have a big meeting with the owner of the company coming up. It was supposed to be last week but it keeps getting pushed back. When that FINALLY happens I'm going to talk with him about. The big issue though is the fact that there is nothing in the contract for the account I work that includes supervisor salaries. Basically increases come out of their pockets. Which they really don't like.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Dublagent66 on February 16, 2015, 03:06:58 PM

Not just the bad stuff but the funny stuff too !!!!!

The thread title says work related gripes.  ???
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2015, 03:57:29 PM

Not just the bad stuff but the funny stuff too !!!!!

The thread title says work related gripes.  ???

They could be the gripes of the customer  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 17, 2015, 10:34:09 AM
Huh.


So apparently my area supervisor has become aware of my frustrations... after his wife, who is my supervisor's sister, read out loud a Facebook post of mine about my phone getting blown up all the time at night (I am friends with my supervisor on FB. She was looking at his phone apparently). They had a discussion about it... and now my supervisor had a talk with me. He asked if I felt like I was taking on too much and said I can scale back my work load if needed. I told him I enjoy all that I do... It's just the goddamn phone calls I get. Myself and another one of the assistant supervisors / shift leaders take like 85% of the calls when someone has an issue / question. I don't mind answering the phone once in a while... but some of this shit with my phone going off constantly at night... that's gotta stop. He / They agree, saying that they really should be the first people called when there's an issue. Not one of us.  I was told though that I CAN start tallying up my phone time and put it on my time sheet.


I was also given a little flack for the fact that on Fri - Sun, the days my supervisor aren't here, I have gaps in my patrols. Basically... I get going with so much sometimes when it comes to report type shit  that I can't go out and do the basic work. So... I'll have whoever I am working with out for several hours, and then let he / she come in the office and hang out while I finish catching up on shit on the computer. That results in long gaps in our patrols, because I am not going to be the asshole sending someone out for a full 8 hours when that part of the job needs to be split 50/50.

I flat out told him that that's ok... just know that a lot less will be getting done on weekends. I just hope I don't get chewed out for it on Monday. HE says I won't, but it's the area supervisor who does and will get on my ass.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on February 17, 2015, 12:36:58 PM
Huh.


So apparently my area supervisor has become aware of my frustrations... after his wife, who is my supervisor's sister, read out loud a Facebook post of mine about my phone getting blown up all the time at night (I am friends with my supervisor on FB. She was looking at his phone apparently). They had a discussion about it... and now my supervisor had a talk with me. He asked if I felt like I was taking on too much and said I can scale back my work load if needed. I told him I enjoy all that I do... It's just the goddamn phone calls I get. Myself and another one of the assistant supervisors / shift leaders take like 85% of the calls when someone has an issue / question. I don't mind answering the phone once in a while... but some of this shit with my phone going off constantly at night... that's gotta stop. He / They agree, saying that they really should be the first people called when there's an issue. Not one of us.  I was told though that I CAN start tallying up my phone time and put it on my time sheet.


I was also given a little flack for the fact that on Fri - Sun, the days my supervisor aren't here, I have gaps in my patrols. Basically... I get going with so much sometimes when it comes to report type shit  that I can't go out and do the basic work. So... I'll have whoever I am working with out for several hours, and then let he / she come in the office and hang out while I finish catching up on shit on the computer. That results in long gaps in our patrols, because I am not going to be the asshole sending someone out for a full 8 hours when that part of the job needs to be split 50/50.

I flat out told him that that's ok... just know that a lot less will be getting done on weekends. I just hope I don't get chewed out for it on Monday. HE says I won't, but it's the area supervisor who does and will get on my ass.

Your life, your business, but be careful, man.   FB is the devil when it comes to work, in my humble opinion, and most of what you wrote to me sounds like the groundwork for their justification on why you WON'T get that pay raise.   I don't see any reasonable way that you can make a case for MORE pay when you have it on record that there is more than you can do and some of it will be off-loaded.  Perhaps it is the company I work for (Fortune 5 conglomerate), which often will make it's money by getting less people to do more work for the same pay, but still.  I'm sensing a lot of red flags there.

Again, I may be full of shit on this one, but I know for me, I'm not even ON FB, and if I was, there wouldn't be one scrap of work-related info there.   
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 17, 2015, 12:40:12 PM
All I had said was I woke up to 5 missed calls from work (or something of that sort. I am always VERY careful about posting ANYTHING work related on FB that is more specific than a general "Long day at work" or "slow day" type thing.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lonestar on February 18, 2015, 07:04:53 PM
Oh man......



Ok, let's start with servers who don't know the menu. YOU ARE A SALES REP SELLING MY FOOD, FUCKING KNOW IT!!!!!!

And even worse is the really really dumb fucking servers. This happened....I swear to god it happened....


Servoid- "Chef, is the sorbet dairy free?"

Me- (inner facepalm as heads in the kitchen turn to me) Yes, it is the nature of sorbet to be dairy free....

Servoid- "how about the gelato?"

*everyone else in the kitchen cringes*

Me- (dies a little inside) No, all gelato is made with cream....





I really really hate life sometimes.


Much more for this thread later
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on February 18, 2015, 07:11:42 PM
I love when customers in Starbucks of all places ask for  " an ordinary Coffee "
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Zook on February 18, 2015, 07:18:53 PM
I recently found out that sorbet is pronounced "sorbay" I've been calling it shirbit for years and years. Why? I really don't know. I think I even called it shirbert on occasion.

Oh, and my manager is being transferred in 2 weeks, and the assist gets to stay. Hopefully whoever replaces his isn't a dick, and gives assist the boot, cause he really needs to go. We finally got a hard working, nice and fair grocery manager that actually cares and doesn't just blow everything off like that last one, and then they transfer him.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 18, 2015, 07:56:58 PM
Oh man......



Ok, let's start with servers who don't know the menu. YOU ARE A SALES REP SELLING MY FOOD, FUCKING KNOW IT!!!!!!

And even worse is the really really dumb fucking servers. This happened....I swear to god it happened....


Servoid- "Chef, is the sorbet dairy free?"

Me- (inner facepalm as heads in the kitchen turn to me) Yes, it is the nature of sorbet to be dairy free....

Servoid- "how about the gelato?"

*everyone else in the kitchen cringes*

Me- (dies a little inside) No, all gelato is made with cream....





I really really hate life sometimes.


Much more for this thread later

:corn
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on February 19, 2015, 07:18:51 AM
I recently found out that sorbet is pronounced "sorbay" I've been calling it shirbit for years and years. Why? I really don't know. I think I even called it shirbert on occasion.

It's "sherbet", and at least in the States, it is different (it has dairy in it) than a sorbet (which does not have dairy).  That's if the people making it know what they are talking about.   In France, the products are different, but the names are "dairy sorbet" and "sorbet". 

I know this because my family and I have had three French exchange students. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 24, 2015, 09:59:05 AM
I :heart when someone's laziness causes me twice as much work. I also love how we have our night shift leader out for personal reasons for lord knows how long, and we just lost another full timer... We are going to be stretched so thin next month.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 25, 2015, 10:04:18 AM
Woman: "Ummm... you gave me a parking citation. I am parked in an area clearly marked as "Guest Parking" and I don't live here so I am clearly a GUEST"

Me: "Well, You did not have a Guest Pass on your vehicle"

Woman: "NO WHERE does it say that I need a GUEST PASS. It JUST SAYS GUEST PARKING AND I AM A GUEST!"

Me: "It is stated in the CC&Rs that the resident you are visiting should have read. Guest parking is for guests with a 72 hour guest pass. Residents have guest passes which they can give you to hang off of your mirror. "

Woman: "BUt the sign doesn't say that. YOU CAN'T TICKET PEOPLE FOR NOT HAVING A PASS IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEY NEED A PASS!"

Me: "I apologize but the resident is responsible for making sure you have a pass. Best thing to do would be talk to them.."

Woman: "whatever"  *click*




It's not that complicated people. And it's not even like they are being fined. Its A WARNING. YOU GET 3 OF THEM. STFU.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 23, 2015, 01:41:54 PM
So... the company seems like it's going to force me to work at least one swing shift a week next month. It's fucked up because there's no public transport when I get off (11p), meaning I'd be stuck riding home... but the problem with that is I'm going to be riding through a fucked up section of town (lots of stabbings and shit), getting home at midnight, and then going to have to turn around and get up at 5am to get shit together to ride back to work the next morning.  Not fucking cool.

"we need you to step up"


Wtf?

And what do you call all the other shit I've been doing? I'm there almost an extra half hour after every shift. I don't put that on my timesheet. Last thursday my regional manager decided to start having all of our discussions via 4 person group text. My phone s going off from 6am till sometimes up till 1am. And I am expected to reply or at least acknowledge that I've read most of it.

 I wouldn't mind that but I'm making a dollar (or less depending on the employee) more than a basic employee and I am working my ass off. In our last meeting, raises for the supervisors (meaning me) came up and I was told they will come once Overtime is cut. Well.... They are going to start having to give more OT out seeing as their most reliable employee (Myself) might start fucking calling out.


I've been there almost 2.5 years, and I have called out twice. And those were within my first fucking month there. Since then... I have NOT missed a shift. I was more than half an hour late like... 3 times. (two of them almost 2 years ago), and one of them only since I became a supervisor, which was only because I missed a fucking bus because I bike and bus into work. We've got people, including my supervisor, who come in 15+ minutes late at least once a week.

I think I am a damn good employee. I know I am not perfect but no one is. If I were to leave, the company would be fucked. I could even see them losing the account.


I know being asked to work a single off shift like that shouldn't be a big deal... if I had my own fucking vehicle it would NOT be an issue. slightly annoying but that's it.






Sorry for the rant but I've been off for 2 days and my phone has not stopped going off. It's pissing me off.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2015, 01:57:49 PM
^^^ That sucks, and I have definitely dealth with stuff very similar. Its never fun.


My current issue is that management is retarded. They are just incapable of managing.

Our best person is leaving. She's tired of the bullshit and finally decided to leave. She stated to management, all the way back in December, that she would be leaving May 1st.

Management has done nothing to fill the position, and despite having months of notice, no replacement has been hired. I usually work every other weekend, but in come the emails to me to bail them out. But working full time hours doesn't really mesh well with a full time graduate school doctorate program.

Them just harassing me, because they fucked up is incredibly annoying.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 23, 2015, 02:18:16 PM
That's kind of our issue here as well. The reason they want me working that shift is we are short staffed on supervisors as well as just normal staff. Our night supervisor has been out for months for medical reasons. It's unsure that she'll even be back and if she is, if she'll be back full time. (I sent her a text yesterday wishing her a happy b day and she responded with "Thanks. I'll be back soon!"... but I'll believe it when I see it.) Our afternoon / swing supervisor is filling in at another account (adjacent to us.. so he is still around but his MAIN focus is not on us)... plus we have lost a few other employees recently, and those that we have aren't spectacular. We have part time people working full time and everything. I totally get needing help but I just CAN'T do it at the moment. :/


Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2015, 03:30:02 PM
So I work in a data center and we got this brand new shiny oracle rack for a new database and well Oracle has messed something up along the way during the whole process and they have another guy out here for the third week in a row and he told me he was going to take me and one other guy (a DBA who has been here to assist) out to lunch today.  So he wanted to go to Chipotle and when it came time to pay he tried to not pay for me! Luckily the DBA stepped in and made him pay (which I wasnt about to do because I didnt want to force someone to pay even though they offered the previous day and told me not to bring lunch like I normally do).  So I am kind of wowed by how completely unprofessional Oracle is and that is besides the fact that they completely messed up the install.  And it seems like they will have to be back tomorrow since its got so many new issues now and the deal was, the DBA paid for lunch Wednesday, Oracle paid for lunch today, and if they have to stay till Friday then I will pay for lunch.  Friday lunches are on the company anyway so ill just expense it all  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
Anyway, my latest work gripe is the fact that my grocery manager is being punished for a not so good inventory when he busted his ass to get everything ready to go. Meanwhile the assistant manager is a hypocritical piece of shit who is constantly bad mouthing him to upper management, and taking credit for all his work, and didn't even help him with setting up inventory. The crew and I did. On top of that, we had a walk the day after inventory, and the assist wasn't there, our frozen guy left early without finishing his job, and the inventory counters completely fucked up the store. We had no chance of making the store look good enough for corporate. So my grocery manager who's the best I've worked under (I've had a plethera of shitty ones) was threatened with being fired, and is now possibly transfered and good old assist, as far as I know as I've had the last couple nights off doesn't get any flak at all. The guy is worthless, no one on the crew likes him, but because he has his lips firmly puckered on upper management's ass, he might be sticking around.

I'll find out more tonight.

Someone has a crush on you.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on April 24, 2015, 07:16:15 AM
Is there a manager on the planet that is any good?  ; ) 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 07:48:28 AM
Is there a manager on the planet that is any good?  ; )

Ive had a couple who I really enjoyed working for.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on April 24, 2015, 08:28:05 AM
Is there a manager on the planet that is any good?  ; )

Yup.  Me.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 24, 2015, 10:23:12 AM
I like mine. It's the guys above him that are the headaches.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on April 24, 2015, 03:32:36 PM
I've had a few managers I didn't like over the years (back when I was tending bar, but the majority of restaurant/bar managers are clowns anyway), but I've had a lot that were good. 

My current one threw me at first, as I am used to have managers that are chatty, and he isn't at all, but what I have learned, and this has been confirmed by others at work, is that if he doesn't talk to you a lot, that is good.  It means you aren't messing up.  And he is always friendly, just not chatty.  But his management style works well, and he doesn't micro-manage, which is always good.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
Is there a manager on the planet that is any good?  ; )

Yup.  Me.
Me too! :)
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 24, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
Is there a manager on the planet that is any good?  ; )

Yup.  Me.
Me too! :)

I'm kind of a manager... :D
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 25, 2015, 11:12:51 PM
So I actually had a convo with the owner of the company yesterday. He basically said they need me badly enough to let me pick the day and if I know of a coworker who I can rely on a ride from, and they are cool with it, to put them on the shift with me. It just happens that the girl I work with l. Sundays, who I swear has a thing for me, would love to work Tuesday afternoons (which is the shift I'd take) and would be more than willing to drive my ass home after work. I'm sure the higher ups won't like the idea seeing as I am the least productive when we work together  (we get along really well) but it's that it nothing. lol.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Nel on April 25, 2015, 11:41:42 PM
I recently was asked to work in another department of the store I'm at on certain days of the week and I've been really regretting it. The manager of that department has been on my case for "being lazy" when the truth of the matter is no one's been showing me the ropes of it and half the time I have no idea what's going on and what I'm supposed to do. And my new boss in my regular department has been livid with me for not making enough money in donations from customers for some breast cancer organization.

So today, manager from the other department calls me over and says that now, instead of having Friday off, she wants me to take an 8 a.m.-5 p.m. shift at our store's warehouse, which I have never seen nor have any idea what I'd be doing there because she didn't specify shit. My trip from home to work is 15-20 minutes. The warehouse is about an hour away. Coworkers are telling me that because of the donations thing and "bad performance" thing in the other department, and based on what's happened to previous employees, they might be trying to move me permanently to the warehouse.

...This is a full-time job and I'm in school full-time also right now. No way in fuck am I getting shifted to some warehouse god-knows-where, with hour commutes to-and-from and nine-hour shifts. I'll quit if they try to pull that shit. Enough on my plate. I've been slowly getting fed up with this place these past few months. Never should have agreed to help in that other department. I honestly thought I was just filling in until they hired an actual person for it.

Uuuuuugh. I just want to focus on school and now what has been a consistent job for six years is suddenly trying to pile up all this extra crap on me.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
Special board clearly states "Soup of the day- Chilled Tomato Gazpacho"


Server- Chef, this customer didn't know the soup was cold, can you heat it up please?

Me- (goddammit why do I work with all fucking retarded people?) Well, the board clearly states it's chilled, did you tell the customer that?

Server- (testily, in a spoiled fucking three year old kind of way) I can't remember, can you just heat it up?

Me- *puts knife down and takes a step back from it* Well, a gazpacho isn't meant for heating, it will separate and taste like shit. We have a tomato soup on the menu he can have instead....

Server- (gruffly) He want this!!!!

Me- (fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck) Fine, give it here.... (and get the fuck out of my kitchen)



Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 27, 2015, 12:24:40 PM
THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2015, 12:32:43 PM
I know you're kidding, but I do have to say that though the customer may be right, it is our responsibility as employees to prevent the customer from making uneducated and bad decisions that will effectively waste their money. I don't want this guy to go out complaining that his soup was watery and shitty cause he didn't know any better and his server didn't have the balls or desire to stand up to him and just say "sir, the chef highly advises against this".
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 27, 2015, 12:44:33 PM
The way to fix the situation is to educate the customer yourself, brandishing your longest chef's knife in the process.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on April 27, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
I know you're kidding, but I do have to say that though the customer may be right, it is our responsibility as employees to prevent the customer from making uneducated and bad decisions that will effectively waste their money. I don't want this guy to go out complaining that his soup was watery and shitty cause he didn't know any better and his server didn't have the balls or desire to stand up to him and just say "sir, the chef highly advises against this".

You should have gone out there and slapped them with some culniary science. Fuck that server btw.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2015, 02:20:34 PM
The way to fix the situation is to educate the customer yourself, brandishing your longest chef's knife in the process.
That's what she said.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on April 27, 2015, 02:30:49 PM
The way to fix the situation is to educate the customer yourself, brandishing your longest chef's knife in the process.
That's what she said.

Does it self sharpen though?  Dull blades get's giggled at.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2015, 03:47:27 PM
I know you're kidding, but I do have to say that though the customer may be right, it is our responsibility as employees to prevent the customer from making uneducated and bad decisions that will effectively waste their money. I don't want this guy to go out complaining that his soup was watery and shitty cause he didn't know any better and his server didn't have the balls or desire to stand up to him and just say "sir, the chef highly advises against this".

You should have gone out there and slapped them with some culniary science. Fuck that server btw.

This. It's not the fault of the customer that he's ignorant, but the server is my salesperson so to speak, and I expect them to properly sell my product.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 27, 2015, 03:58:15 PM
I am fucking awesome.


I found a creative way to solve a fucking scheduling problem.

Yes, it involves overtime and shit... but you know what? It's better than not having anyone on the fucking shift.


I deserve a fucking cookie.









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Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 27, 2015, 07:02:01 PM

Yes, it involves overtime and shit... but you know what? It's better than not having anyone on the fucking shift.


Hell yeah. Sometimes you got do what you got to do.


and I hate the fact that overtime is a 4 letter word where I work.

 I'm sorry, but sometimes you just got to use OT. Factor it into the budget if you have too, but don't flip the fuck out whenever god forbid you ever have to schedule a little overtime.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Calvin6s on April 27, 2015, 08:15:15 PM
Although you can always find current gripes, it is more fun to talk about past gripes because they are in the rear view mirror.

Let's see. 
1.  Had one supervisor that would go sleep in his car for the original 8 hours, then get out of his car and do his work starting at overtime.  Then he'd clap his hands and tell everybody else "Come on.  We gotta look alive here.  Let's step it up."  Then we'd hear from his superiors how great he was.  I finally spoke up and said "maybe you should observe him all day without him knowing."  He was let go shortly thereafter.

2.  Right before the iphone came out, I set up a phone app that had GPS that allowed clock in and out for people that worked outside the office.  We'd have management meetings every Tuesday at 10am.  So I logged into the GPS tracking website at the beginning of the day and literally watched the main field supervisor sleep in his home (a map dot, not video) all morning until 9:45am.  At this point, the dot started moving toward the office.  He showed up late and claimed he had to get back out in the field.  After the meeting, I checked to watch his GPS dot go right back to his home for the rest of the day.

3.  A take off of #2.  I reported #2 to the boss.  Any time he couldn't contact this supervisor, the boss would run into my office and ask me to  "bring up that GPS screen".  My job was to create a dollar proposal for these projects.  Well, the supervisor talked the boss into letting him personally deliver my proposal to the clients (instead of email/fax with phone follow up by me).  We didn't get that project, but surprise, today this supervisor was at that project.  Checked the other people under him, and they were also at the "not our project" project.  We checked the time cards and not only did this guy steal the project for his own use, but he was using our people to do the project and bill the labor to us under a different project.  And no surprise, that project showed little to no progress.

4.  A take off of #3.  Boss was fuming because this supervisor was his "golden boy".  The boss was now in collect as much evidence to fire this guy immediately mode.  He knew I understood just enough about networks to check out the supervisor's emails and local hard drive files from my computer.  Remote logged in and broke the password in the following manner (no joke):
password .. nope
1234 ... nope
12345 ... nope
123456 ... I'm in

Looked at his emails and there he was.  Bad mouthing the business and boss to every client.  Found other incriminating files on his local hard drive.  Ended with a joke to the boss "would you like me to create a generic shortcut on his desktop and rename it "kiddie porn"?  Of course we didn't do that, but I had to throw in some humor because the boss was fuming.  Prior, we had so many management meetings where everybody was warning the boss that something was wrong with this guy.  And not just somebody that would steal work.

5. Continuation of #4.  This supervisor douche was an idiot.  Like I said, I had to prepare proposals for $3,000 to multi-million dollar projects.  As such, I created a very large spreadsheet + database that interacted with our proprietary software based off FoxPro.  I knew how to connect with it so I didn't have to re-input important data.  I put a password on it because I didn't want to worry about people messing it up.  In particular, the douchevisor.  The password was a word he used all the time, but misspelled it every single time.  So I could literally tell him the password to his face and he still couldn't get it.

6.  Took a different job right out of school to raise money for further schooling.  Made it clear that was my intent.  A month before starting school, let my direct supervisor know I'd be leaving at a date a month from then.  Reminded him at the official two week mark.  Supervisor then told me "I don't have a replacement for you.  Just work part time."  I let him know the schooling was relatively far away, so it wasn't possible.  I reminded him that this was the plan from day one and I was very open about it.  Reminded him well before two weeks notice.  And this was officially two weeks notice.  Asked him how long I'd have to work part time before he could get a replacement (which should have been easy to replace).  He said it would be until he said so.  When he couldn't commit, I said "ok, then like I've been saying.  This is my two weeks."  I wasn't going to ruin my life path over a crap job.  A few months later, ran into somebody from that job and they said "<supervisor> was telling everybody you just stopped showing up.  Didn't give any notice."  Luckily, I was so open about it that he actually got fired on the basis that everybody seemed to know but him.  After school, I even came back and worked there in a higher position.

7.  Like most people, I probably have an endless amount of funny work stories if I thought about it.  So I'll stop here.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 06:43:41 AM
Is that legal to track your employees without their consent?  Im assuming they didnt consent if they are that stupid to do those things.

We had a similar situation at my current job.  We have a data center in LA, but no office there so essentially our data center tech is a lone wolf in LA.  They hired a new guy for LA shortly after I started and we all clock in/out with our phones so effectively we could clock in wherever we are.   Well this new guy decided he was going to be clocking in from home, then logging on and pretending he was in the data center.  We all suspected he was doing this.  So my coworker made a surprise cross country trip early on a Monday morning to LA and was waiting for him to get in.  He clocked in, logged in, and my boss immediately asked him to check something out saying it was urgent.  The guy said he was on it immediately and meanwhile my coworker was physically there and the other guy was no where in site.  He was fired the next day since we now had the proof and we new he could not file a wrongful termination lawsuit.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 28, 2015, 07:18:02 AM
Calvin... some fucked up supervisors there.. Lop





Ok... not only am I staying late again today but I'm on my way in early to let a kid go early who is working OT right meow. 


Gonna be a long day. I'm going to use this to my advantage to convince my supervisor to help me take to Sunday off. I made myself available to 12 hours of OT this week... so far being used for 7... but I may even volunteer to pick up a full shift on my day off to help put if it means moving shit around for me.. shouldn't   be an issue seeing as Sunday is the first day of a new schedule which hasn't even been made yet.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 07:31:43 AM
On the topic of OT, I usually do 15 hours of OT a week.  I often wish I didnt work so much so I could do more things during the work week evenings, but at the same time.... the money is nice and very helpful for being able to enjoy the weekends to the fullest.  My OT also isn't my choice, my work load requires me to work extra and OT is essentially unlimited.  My boss never questions my hours and actually is more likely to say Im not working enough. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 28, 2015, 07:38:39 AM
I don't mind OT as long as I have a heads up. Don't call me at 2am to come in 4 hours early at 3a. Now if something comes up and I have a heads up (or if I was just asked to stay late) most of the time I'll be game.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 30, 2015, 12:17:09 PM
Ok I am now fucking livid.


I received the new schedule today to find that my whole agreement with the company of working an afternoon shift only if it's on a specific day that doesn't cause me to have to turn around at 5am and come back the next day, and with someone who can give me a ride home, has been ignored.


I saw the schedule and saw who I was working with. I let my boss know. He basically said that is so and so's shift and I can't have people's shifts changed around just so I have a ride home.


Umm... ok...


But that was the AGREEMENT I made with the OWNER OF THE COMPANY.


"You'll have to call and discuss it with him because I just can't go moving people's shifts around"



Are you fucking kidding me? I already work weekends and have been working them for years now. I come in half hour early and stay 30 minutes late nearly everyday. I haven't called out in over 2.5 years (2 call outs when I first started working here.). The person who is taking priority is a great employee but she tends to call out a shit ton. Why the fuck do I take a back seat to that?


I think I am going to start calling out a lot more. I am sick of this shit.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on April 30, 2015, 12:20:06 PM
I worked my grocery job for almost 8 years. I called out a total of four times. Three of the times I called while on my way to a hospital, the fourth time was right after I woke up in a hospital.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 30, 2015, 12:22:21 PM
One of my call outs was legit. I was sick as fuck from working a cold as fuck grave shift with an idiot who slept in the office all night making me go out and do all the work.


The other one was not legit. I had something I needed to do that morning. Hell my boss even knows that.



Since then... I've been the one dealing with OTHER people's call outs.  That's one reason I don't call out is I know the ins and outs of finding coverage and it's a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 30, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
My grocery store job story is as follows:

Worked there 10 years. Called out only once (day after 21st birthday) and was late only once (daylight savings). Told them for about 2 and a half months strait that I was actively filling out applications and interviewing for a hospital job.

Got the hospital and they wanted me to start training in a week, so I gave one weeks notice, instead of two since I was unable to and they Tried to fire me for "not giving enough notice". Keep in mind I just worked on weekends stocking shelves, I wasn't some manager or full time employee leaving some gapping hole in the schedule. 10 years of loyalty and hard work to have them piss in my face. Got to spend my last day after 10 years being watched and scared that I was going to be escorted out of the building.

And on a side note, my pay rate at the time of leaving was $10.50 (after 10 god damn years)

Fuck em
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2015, 01:09:30 PM
Hey Jay, if your employer treats you so bad, why don't you start looking for a new job?  It's a great feeling to be able to leave the employer you hate.

I had a tech job for Chase and I HATED my manager with a passion.  I ended up only giving a one weeks notice (i wanted to give two, but there was some paperwork issues and I didnt want to give my notice until that was resolved just in case something came up that would of prevented me from working there) and my boss wasn't happy, but I could tell how pissed she was that I left when on my last day she didnt even say bye... after two years of good hard work, couldn't get a goodbye or good luck or anything like that.  My coworkers got a cake and everything cause they were happy for me, but she did not smile once that day or say a single word to me.  THAT WAS AWESOME.  You only have so much control in your work life, one is to be able to leave and find a new job if you feel you aren't treated right.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 30, 2015, 01:33:17 PM
Hey Jay, if your employer treats you so bad, why don't you start looking for a new job?  It's a great feeling to be able to leave the employer you hate.


this is literally the best I will be able to find atm. I don't have a car... and any other security company is going to want to start me at part time or on call and have me working shit hours far away from my house. I've already done the research.

If I had a car it wouldn't be as much as an issue but without it I'm stuck for a while.

And as much as I bitch, I don't HATE this job. I just hate it when I start to get fucked in the ass like I am.

If I had a decent running car, I should be able to pick up something a lot better outside of my town. My ultimate goal is to find a job working with the city or the county. Or, I can get a job with the company that provides security and access control for our Naval Base here. That pays over twice as much as I make now, with full benefits. The issue with that is they make the schedule week by week, and you have no power to say "no". I know guys who work split shifts (8 hours, then back 4 hours later for another 4 hours) and shit there. And while the base is close, There are 2 other spots they throw people on as well that, while they are in the area, are NOT close. So that's not an option until I get a car.










And now I just received a call from my supervisor saying that the compromise we worked out is getting thrown out the window.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on April 30, 2015, 01:51:23 PM
Go become a CO and retire in 20 years.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 30, 2015, 02:50:20 PM
Thought about it. That would require either relocating to either Cresent City (tip top of the state) or out to the desert For up to 5 years until I can transfer back to the area. 


I've got. Good friend, and former coworker who went through the academy and is now up north. I have a good feel of what's involved from my conversations with him. It's an option but it's a big decision.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on June 15, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
Customers who are deliberately confusing.

Had one today come up to me in the small cafe where I work.

" Do you have a meal ? "

Me : Um...what do you mean ?

" Do you have the food ? "

Me : Did you order food or do you want to order food ?

" Can we order the food ? "

Me : yes, please take a seat and i'll come over shortly to take the order.

" What flavour milk shakes do you do ? "

Me : Banana, Raspberry, Chocolate, Strawberry

" I'll have Vanilla "

 :yeahright you're having banana and liking it, buddy !!

The other ones I hate are the ones that walk right up to you and they know what they want - but they just stand there grinning at you for several seconds before they ask.

Why ?!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 15, 2015, 12:35:49 PM
People are bastard covered bastards with bastard filling.




I'm dealing with cleaning up cigarette butts and sunflower seed shells that employees have decided to sprinkle all around the outside of our office. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lonestar on June 15, 2015, 03:43:37 PM
Ok, this one had the boss and I both halfway between pissing ourselves laughing and wanting to commit mass homicide. We had an email chain about a party for 16 peeps that had this as a comment from the customer...


Quote
Fyi, we have several foodies and one caterer in our group, so I wanted to confirm also that:
1. Fish and meat will be fresh, savory and well seasoned.  We prefer sea salt and any other seasonings and preparations that the chef chooses. Moistness and tenderness is desired.
2.  We're assuming you will confirm with guests on Sat how steak entrees should be prepared (rare, medium, etc).
3.  Several guests would like to know whether salmon is wild. Would you confirm.  We would like salmon prepared so that it is moist and succulent.  Same for steak and chicken.

Now, anytime you see something like this before the event, you know you're in for some deep shit. High maintenance, think we fucking know it all bullshit laced foodies are the worst customers, period. So these dicks show up, and proceed to order all their steaks and salmon well done.

Fuck me.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2015, 03:45:24 PM
You've been Chopped! ;D
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 15, 2015, 03:48:41 PM
Hahaha
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on September 17, 2015, 05:10:24 PM
Today I was QUITE CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY carrying food to a customers table and a customer ACTUALLY starting ordering food at me as I was walking.

 :facepalm:  J.F.C.

I'M CLEALY BUSY WAIT YOUR FUCKING TURN..

Also I love when someone on a table goes " can I have X " as you walk past. They don't get your attention and wait for you to come over. Nope they just shout " CAN I HAVE APPLE CRUMBLE " as you

walk past.

Have none of these people ever been in a restaurant situation before ? :lolpalm:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 17, 2015, 05:34:04 PM
^^^  Dealing with the general public takes the patience of a saint. Which I don't have what so ever.

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on September 17, 2015, 07:26:28 PM
TEMP WORKERS THAT DON'T FUCKING SHOW UP TO WORK!!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2015, 07:38:56 PM
TEMP WORKERS THAT DON'T FUCKING SHOW UP TO WORK!!
Hell, permanent workers don't show up for work!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Calvin6s on September 18, 2015, 12:27:08 AM
Today I was QUITE CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY carrying food to a customers table and a customer ACTUALLY starting ordering food at me as I was walking.

 :facepalm:  J.F.C.

I'M CLEALY BUSY WAIT YOUR FUCKING TURN..

Also I love when someone on a table goes " can I have X " as you walk past. They don't get your attention and wait for you to come over. Nope they just shout " CAN I HAVE APPLE CRUMBLE " as you

walk past.

Have none of these people ever been in a restaurant situation before ? :lolpalm:

I've done that.  I don't know your situation, but sometimes you get tired of trying to wave them down to no avail, so you take it to the next level and call them as they pass your table again ... without service.  One time I waited so long for a drink that I finally just got up, went to the bar, paid for one and brought it back to my table before my food got cold.  Suddenly the waiter appeared ... to tell me bar drinks weren't allowed in the restaurant (it was just a soda to boot).  I told him "I didn't understand a word you just said.  Are you here for my refill?  Bout time."  He said I'd have to pay for a new drink for a refill.  I then recalled I had a drink in my cooler in the car.  So I just walked out and got that, and did my own refill.

Then I took my bill which actually charged me (again) for the drink I never got and the refill I never got.  At first I was just going to leave no tip.  At that point, I took it to the manager and told him I wouldn't be paying for dinner tonight.  The food was fine, but the waiter ruined the entire night.  Did he get fired?  Who knows.  Never went back.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 06:48:23 AM
While that is an extreme example by Calvin, I agree about ordering sometimes when the waiter isn't actually serving you ATM.  We've all been in situations you are waiting some time and sometimes you as the customer need to make the move.  I personally would rather not do that because I understand the waiter may be busy, but at the same time, I am the paying customer and am usually at the point that I've waited long enough to make that move.  Normally eye contact or a wave down works, not always.  Even asking another waiter to assist happens, but also usually when I am getting desperate.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on September 18, 2015, 07:53:29 AM
I should probably add that in my situation above - the guy came in off the street - just walked in the door and came right up to me delivering food and started ordering.

I was on kitchen duty today and some guy came up to the kitchen hatch where we collect dirty crockery / put out clean crockery to be collected and put away in the dining area.

He tried ordering from the kitchen when there is clearly a counter directly opposite where you order from :lolpalm:

We had a good laugh in the kitchen about how dense some people can be.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lonestar on September 18, 2015, 08:20:38 AM
TEMP WORKERS THAT DON'T FUCKING SHOW UP TO WORK!!
Hell, permanent workers don't show up for work!

Right?  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 08:26:13 AM
I should probably add that in my situation above - the guy came in off the street - just walked in the door and came right up to me delivering food and started ordering.

I was on kitchen duty today and some guy came up to the kitchen hatch where we collect dirty crockery / put out clean crockery to be collected and put away in the dining area.

He tried ordering from the kitchen when there is clearly a counter directly opposite where you order from :lolpalm:

We had a good laugh in the kitchen about how dense some people can be.

yea, that's a bit more rude than the situations we were talking about. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on September 28, 2015, 07:07:09 AM
The idea of staring at a computer screen to make money for the next 40 years makes me sick to my stomach.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on September 28, 2015, 09:01:55 AM
Better than manual labour.




My boss is one of THOSE who will saunter in when we're really busy and struggling to get all the customers seen to AND clear tables and will just go up to a table with dishes left on it and go
"::) this table needs clearing" when I've got three tables of customers to see to.



*snip*
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on September 28, 2015, 09:07:11 AM
And he's ALSO one of those bosses who does the absolute bare minimum to "help" then just walks around "jokingly" telling customers how shit the staff are and how he has to do everything.


Oh that'll be why five staff have walked out recently ? Because they're rubbish at their job?


Definitely not because you TELL them to work more hours AS THEYRE LEAVING and not ASK them if they CAN when their shift starts.

::)


It's really not all that bad I guess but lots of little things over time really build up.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2016, 07:56:05 AM
So basically my boss’ daughter’s “boyfriend” showed up to have an argument with her and he’d already assaulted her that day. So my boss intervenes and gets “his ass handed to him” as the americans

like to say. Cue police and ambulance showing up and closing the cafe

and I saw it happen. Pretty upsetting. :(

I was in side and I heard a woman screaming and looked out the window and my boss was on the floor with this guy laying into him.

Apparently he's done this several times as well. What a total prick. Beating up girls too.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2016, 08:07:31 AM
I hope they lock his ass up a long time.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2016, 08:18:32 AM
It was pretty bad. I hope he at least. AT LEAST. Gets a restraining order.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 04, 2016, 05:50:20 PM
Should be jail time for hitting a woman and then beating up her father.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on April 04, 2016, 05:54:18 PM
Yeah boss has 3 broken ribs. And the guy broke his parole conditions as soon as he was on bail.

Fucker's going down. Our staff know a LOT of bodybuilding labourers who could probably pay him a visit. . .

Maybe.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lynxo on April 07, 2016, 05:19:35 AM
All right, I'll bite:

Fucking activity offices! I don't know if it's even a thing outside of "cool" IT offices outside of Sweden but it's basically this: no one has a permanent place where you sit every day. Instead, all the employees has their own laptop and they bring that laptop to the part of the office where they want to sit today. So today, I might sit at the first floor, tomorrow I could go to the second floor.

The point of it? To encourage interaction between employees that don't usually interact with each other. But it's a fucking hassle - what if I like my spot next to the window, next to a colleague I really like?

It's bullshit!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2016, 09:09:37 AM
All right, I'll bite:

Fucking activity offices! I don't know if it's even a thing outside of "cool" IT offices outside of Sweden but it's basically this: no one has a permanent place where you sit every day. Instead, all the employees has their own laptop and they bring that laptop to the part of the office where they want to sit today. So today, I might sit at the first floor, tomorrow I could go to the second floor.

The point of it? To encourage interaction between employees that don't usually interact with each other. But it's a fucking hassle - what if I like my spot next to the window, next to a colleague I really like?

It's bullshit!

I wouldn't like that at all, I like to have my own desk and space.  My company which would be considered "cool IT" company in the US, our office has all open desks and assigned seating but they have couches and seats and plenty of places to work besides at your desk.  I like that idea much better, freedom to move, but still having your own personal space.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on April 07, 2016, 09:13:16 AM
All right, I'll bite:

Fucking activity offices! I don't know if it's even a thing outside of "cool" IT offices outside of Sweden but it's basically this: no one has a permanent place where you sit every day. Instead, all the employees has their own laptop and they bring that laptop to the part of the office where they want to sit today. So today, I might sit at the first floor, tomorrow I could go to the second floor.

The point of it? To encourage interaction between employees that don't usually interact with each other. But it's a fucking hassle - what if I like my spot next to the window, next to a colleague I really like?

It's bullshit!

I wouldn't like that at all, I like to have my own desk and space.  My company which would be considered "cool IT" company in the US, our office has all open desks and assigned seating but they have couches and seats and plenty of places to work besides at your desk.  I like that idea much better, freedom to move, but still having your own personal space.

As much as I bitch about working in a cubicle, I couldn't fathom working in an office without one.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on April 07, 2016, 09:25:58 AM
Question for Bosk of any other law type people.

The guy who assaulted my boss and broke his ribs is claiming that my boss lashed out first.

He is not that type of guy. He's obviously just trying to get away with it.

Now - in a court hearing or whatever - would it even matter " who started it " if my boss got his ribs broken ?

Does it matter "who started it" if actual bodily harm has been committed ?

For example - if I trespassed on someones lawn and got beaten up - would " he trespassed " hold up in court

If I suffered serious harm from being beaten up ?

Anyone ? :)
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2016, 09:36:01 AM
Question for Bosk of any other law type people.

The guy who assaulted my boss and broke his ribs is claiming that my boss lashed out first.

He is not that type of guy. He's obviously just trying to get away with it.

Now - in a court hearing or whatever - would it even matter " who started it " if my boss got his ribs broken ?

Does it matter "who started it" if actual bodily harm has been committed ?

For example - if I trespassed on someones lawn and got beaten up - would " he trespassed " hold up in court

If I suffered serious harm from being beaten up ?

Anyone ? :)

I think those laws depend on where you are, even in the US, the states have different laws regarding self protection and trespassing.  Some places, yes, it is OK to beat the shit out of or shoot a trespasser.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on April 07, 2016, 10:27:42 AM
Question for Bosk of any other law type people.

The guy who assaulted my boss and broke his ribs is claiming that my boss lashed out first.

He is not that type of guy. He's obviously just trying to get away with it.

Now - in a court hearing or whatever - would it even matter " who started it " if my boss got his ribs broken ?

Does it matter "who started it" if actual bodily harm has been committed ?

For example - if I trespassed on someones lawn and got beaten up - would " he trespassed " hold up in court

If I suffered serious harm from being beaten up ?

Anyone ? :)

I think those laws depend on where you are, even in the US, the states have different laws regarding self protection and trespassing.  Some places, yes, it is OK to beat the shit out of or shoot a trespasser.

This isn't my bag, necessarily, so I'm probably giving you the extent of my knowledge, but I will say that the details are somewhat dependent on where you are.  Generally speaking, you are entitled to defend yourself if attacked.  The criteria is usually that you feel imminent harm and the person threatening you (assault) or actually hitting you (battery) is capable of inflicting that imminent harm.  Generally you can use force in response, but that force must be that which a reasonable person in similar circumstances would use.  A small number of states require you to retreat if it is safe to do so (meaning you can't fight back unless you have no option to retreat) but most are what are called "Stand Your Ground" states, whereby you can fight back as a first line of defense.  Generally you can only use deadly force if it is threated and imminent against you.    If the girl who thought you pinched her ass slaps you, you can slap her back, but you likely cannot shoot her in the face.

In your case, if you (or anyone else in the room) saw what happened, your testimony would be crucial in determining the order of events.  It would matter "who started it" as a general proposition, but it would depend on the facts of the circumstances.

Trespass is slightly different, at least here in the States.  Regular assault and battery is not typically "trespassing". 

As a general rule, the parties have to act reasonably (to the extent that actually punching someone in the face can be called "reasonable".   I will say this, though:  the law doesn't really care who "wins" or "loses" the fight.   If you punch me first, and merely split my lip, and I then punch you back and cave in your ribcage, you are going to lose both the fight in the office and the fight in the courtroom. 
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Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2016, 10:39:33 AM
That's like a second punch in the gut  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 07, 2016, 11:24:52 AM
I work with an adorable Chinese lady in her 50's. She speaks English, French and two or three languages that Chinese people may need to speak. Of the three French is her best. She's constantly studying her English and her interpretation and execution of expressions is priceless. There are too many to list but things like.....telling her it's time to "circle the wagons" came back at me a month later as "circle the dragons" or  "smoke and mirrors" came back as "smoking mirrors" again with the thick Asian accent.

this exchange still leaves me in giggles......we're all in a row of cubicles. The Asian lady is having a coughing fit. Finally the woman next to her asks "are you ok"...."ya"...."are you sure" "cough cough ya ya"......lol...co-worker "why don't you try a little water, maybe you're THIRSTY"..........Asian lady " it's not Thursday, it's Wednesday"...........................................crickets.................eruption of laughter from all cubicles....
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 07, 2016, 02:36:48 PM
This is my final FULL pay period with my company. I'm already going to be at 103 hours for the pay period... but I have a feeling it's going to hit 110 before the 15th. I even went in today for a half of a shift. What REALLY pisses me off is that we have another open shift tomorrow morning. The other lead (who is going to be taking my responsibilities and what not when I leave) decided he'd like to work that shift instead of his afternoon shift that same day... so he put himself on the morning shift and left the afternoon open.

Here's the thing... We have at least 2 people who wanna come in and work that shift... but he put himself on and won't budge... saying he already made plans for the after work... and these 2 people can only work the morning shift. So it's going to wind up remaining open tomorrow... and I'm going to have to fucking stay late. Again.


Also.. I was planning to help them out after I start my county job by working weekend mornings for a few months and then moving to a special filler position. There's going to be a lot of last minute easy as fuck special shifts coming up soon. But they (my supervisor and this other lead) apparently don't want me staying on weekend mornings because it will mess with the schedule. They want me to work the afternoons.

Umm.. No. First of all.. I work security for events at our local Moose Lodge on Saturday afternoons and evenings, making way more than
there, cash in hand at the end of the night. Second, I am NOT going to work the shit shifts on the weekends, and then get off at 11pm on Sunday night when I have to be up at like 530am on Monday morning.

The owner of the company, who REALLY doesn't want to lose me, said he'd make sure whatever I want to do is accommodated and understands that the new job takes priority.. but I am not going to play that card and have him force them to keep me around. If they don't want me for what I want, then they can go fuck themselves. I won't do the filler thing later on. Which... really hurts them... because the client for that particular thing is requesting me specifically for it.

Oh Well
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 07, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
Fuck them. They deserve less than nothing considering how they've empirically proven they'll never stop bending you over.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2016, 04:07:04 PM
If youre at your end now, then screw it, it's really not your problem to cover shifts since they arent going to have you at all soon.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on April 07, 2016, 04:34:29 PM
True but...

I need the Money. Lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2016, 04:35:25 PM
True but...

I need the Money. Lol

then just work the shift and make that money, as much as it sucks your coworkers aren't being responsible, if you need the money, it is there for the taking.
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 07, 2016, 05:05:42 PM
Plus, if you ever need a reference from this place, your flexibility will be a big plus.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: chaossystem on April 08, 2016, 02:36:42 AM
Is there a manager on the planet that is any good?  ; )

Yeah...but it's always been my experience that the good ones get transferred or fired and replaced by pieces of shit.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 08, 2016, 10:15:39 AM
I am just going to make a point to try to beat the overtime / hours record for the office before I leave. After today I am at 107 hours this pay period and 19 hours of OT.. if no other OT comes up

Is there a manager on the planet that is any good?  ; )

Yeah...but it's always been my experience that the good ones get transferred or fired and replaced by pieces of shit.

This just made me realize my namesake thread is a year old :metal



Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2016, 07:03:49 AM
If youre at your end now, then screw it, it's really not your problem to cover shifts since they arent going to have you at all soon.
Fuck them. They deserve less than nothing considering how they've empirically proven they'll never stop bending you over.

All, technically, true, but I commend your being classy and professional.   You may not like all their answers, but they do have a business to run, and so for me it's like Bob Dylan:  I don't like his music at all, and don't listen to it, but he comes by it honestly and with integrity, so I have to respect it. 

It's not your call how they run their company; it's your call how you handle yourself in a moment of potential advantage.  It's to your benefit - if not now, then long term - to handle it with class and aplomb. 

I think when you resort to "fuck them, they don't deserve anything" without having been in on all the decisions, and seeing all the information they did or didn't have, then you are no better than them in the long run. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
If youre at your end now, then screw it, it's really not your problem to cover shifts since they arent going to have you at all soon.
Fuck them. They deserve less than nothing considering how they've empirically proven they'll never stop bending you over.

All, technically, true, but I commend your being classy and professional.   You may not like all their answers, but they do have a business to run, and so for me it's like Bob Dylan:  I don't like his music at all, and don't listen to it, but he comes by it honestly and with integrity, so I have to respect it. 

It's not your call how they run their company; it's your call how you handle yourself in a moment of potential advantage.  It's to your benefit - if not now, then long term - to handle it with class and aplomb. 

I think when you resort to "fuck them, they don't deserve anything" without having been in on all the decisions, and seeing all the information they did or didn't have, then you are no better than them in the long run.

I commend being classy as well, I just have read enough of Jays post to know he wasn't happy at that job so figuring if you didnt like the job and you are on your last week, then just don't put up with the shit anymore.  I'm all about not burning bridges, but at some point enough is enough IMO.  Not sure Jay reached that point, but for me, if I feel I am being abused, I will stand my ground.  But Jay also said he needed the money so at that point you put up with the shit because you have a need.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 11, 2016, 09:47:14 AM
I do enjoy it here. That's another reason I want to stick around for weekends / filling in. I just don't enjoy all the extra bullshit. IF I drop to Part Time / Filler status.. I won't be dealing with call outs. I won't be coming in and working 20 hours of overtime in a week's span. I really don't get why my supervisor is giving me shit about wanting to work weekend mornings. As I've said, the owner of the company wants me to stick around, and I have a Security Committee member (an ex Chief of Police), who doesn't much of the internal shit going on here, call the owner of the company a few days ago and told him he would love for me to be kept on.

I don't know if I've said this before but I am gone in 2 weeks and they've done nothing to fill my empty shifts. Yes, someone is getting promoted up to fill the empty lead / assistant supervisor role, but there are still 5 shifts a week that will be left open. They are going to be hurting really bad soon.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2016, 09:55:59 AM
I do enjoy it here. That's another reason I want to stick around for weekends / filling in. I just don't enjoy all the extra bullshit. IF I drop to Part Time / Filler status.. I won't be dealing with call outs. I won't be coming in and working 20 hours of overtime in a week's span. I really don't get why my supervisor is giving me shit about wanting to work weekend mornings. As I've said, the owner of the company wants me to stick around, and I have a Security Committee member (an ex Chief of Police), who doesn't much of the internal shit going on here, call the owner of the company a few days ago and told him he would love for me to be kept on.

I don't know if I've said this before but I am gone in 2 weeks and they've done nothing to fill my empty shifts. Yes, someone is getting promoted up to fill the empty lead / assistant supervisor role, but there are still 5 shifts a week that will be left open. They are going to be hurting really bad soon.

If I had known you actually do like it there, I would not have suggested to essentially "not give a shit" anymore. 

Regardless, 20 hours of OT isn't a bad thing at all.  I had 70 hours worked last week, 30 hours of OT goes a long way and it's how I "make money" since my salary just allows me to pay all my bills and survive, it's the OT that allows me to have fun and put money in the bank.  I typically keep it at 15 hours a week OT, more than that and it starts to have a diminishing effect where I am not as happy because I would rather not be working and doing other things.  It's not always in my control though.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2016, 12:05:52 PM
Cram, not a response to you personally, but just as a hypothetical question:  short of something illegal, which is off the table, is there such a thing as "abuse" at work?   Not suggesting we have to like everything about our jobs (hell, my company just got bought and I'm not liking much about the new regime, for sure) but is it really abuse?  We can leave anytime we want if it gets to be too much, but that is a personal decision.  And to say "well, I can't really leave because I have bills to pay" is really just another way of saying "I don't hate it bad enough to make any real personal sacrifices, like spending my personal time finding something else so I can leave". 

I don't say this to be critical or unfair, I'm just asking, because I have the viewpoint that I am at my job out of the mercy of my employers, not that they are lucky to have me - an eagle - soaring amongst the rest of their pack of turkeys. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2016, 12:20:00 PM
Cram, not a response to you personally, but just as a hypothetical question:  short of something illegal, which is off the table, is there such a thing as "abuse" at work?   Not suggesting we have to like everything about our jobs (hell, my company just got bought and I'm not liking much about the new regime, for sure) but is it really abuse?  We can leave anytime we want if it gets to be too much, but that is a personal decision.  And to say "well, I can't really leave because I have bills to pay" is really just another way of saying "I don't hate it bad enough to make any real personal sacrifices, like spending my personal time finding something else so I can leave". 

I don't say this to be critical or unfair, I'm just asking, because I have the viewpoint that I am at my job out of the mercy of my employers, not that they are lucky to have me - an eagle - soaring amongst the rest of their pack of turkeys.

No, abuse is not the right word for what I describe.  We get paid to do something, if we don't like it, it is not abuse because you are getting paid.  I had a job at Boston Market.  i was a server, but on down time they would make me scrub the toilets.  I hated it, I wouldn't call it abuse, I would just say I hated that aspect of the job.  That's a bit more of what I was meaning, like the you just hate the job and the people there, so maybe you feel abused, but I would not actually call it abuse in the literal sense.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 11, 2016, 02:28:40 PM
I do enjoy it here. That's another reason I want to stick around for weekends / filling in. I just don't enjoy all the extra bullshit. IF I drop to Part Time / Filler status.. I won't be dealing with call outs. I won't be coming in and working 20 hours of overtime in a week's span. I really don't get why my supervisor is giving me shit about wanting to work weekend mornings. As I've said, the owner of the company wants me to stick around, and I have a Security Committee member (an ex Chief of Police), who doesn't much of the internal shit going on here, call the owner of the company a few days ago and told him he would love for me to be kept on.

I don't know if I've said this before but I am gone in 2 weeks and they've done nothing to fill my empty shifts. Yes, someone is getting promoted up to fill the empty lead / assistant supervisor role, but there are still 5 shifts a week that will be left open. They are going to be hurting really bad soon.

If I had known you actually do like it there, I would not have suggested to essentially "not give a shit" anymore. 

Regardless, 20 hours of OT isn't a bad thing at all.  I had 70 hours worked last week, 30 hours of OT goes a long way and it's how I "make money" since my salary just allows me to pay all my bills and survive, it's the OT that allows me to have fun and put money in the bank.  I typically keep it at 15 hours a week OT, more than that and it starts to have a diminishing effect where I am not as happy because I would rather not be working and doing other things.  It's not always in my control though.
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It is NOT a lot... but compared to the amount of extra time everyone else is putting in, it is. I average 8-10 hours of OT a pay period (11-15ish days), which is fine. But what pisses me off is the fact that I feel as if I am the only one. It kills me when I am busting my ass to cover shifts and there are stills shifts left open because I can't physically work 2 shifts at once (or the fact that the company would rather send someone home than pay double time).



And I too see OT as the extra money in my pocket at the end of the day. And when you are working in a "we pay just barely over minimum wage just so we can say we aren't a minimum wage company", making time and a half is gold. I
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2016, 02:35:31 PM
But then shouldn't you see that problem as a blessing in disguise?  It sucks you are the only one picking up the slack, but then you are also the only one making the extra dough which does not suck. 

I do get it though, where "enough is enough" and you feel like you are the only one working and it kind of gets to you.  I feel that way right now, I get back from a business trip and my coworker who was here all week left all the work from last week for me when I walked in this morning.  BUT, now I have a reason to work lots of OT.  Someone's got to get the work done and if he isn't going to do it, then I can work extra hours and get it done and have a fat paycheck.  His lack of work has resulted in more money in my wallet.  As I mentioned before, though, there is a point where I'd rather be off than working because there is diminished returns (higher taxes and a toll on my body).
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: axeman90210 on April 11, 2016, 09:23:29 PM
Easter is the busy season at my parents' store. Every year we sell thousands of handmade chocolate bunnies (along with plenty of jelly beans and Peeps and such). Said bunnies are always molded, decorated, boxed, and then placed in the same temperature controlled storage area in the back of the store. Every year without fail we get someone who comes back after Easter irate and accusing us of selling them a melted bunny. Yes, we had exactly one rabbit  out of 3,000 in the same cool storage room spontaneously melt :lol (spoiler alert: mostly it's people who leave them in the car for too long).

More serious annoyance: I've been at my current full time job for just over 3 years now. I came in at entry level, and had my first promotion within 18 months (for reference, the colleague who trained me, who was a good employee, didn't get his until he had been there three years). At the start of 2015 it was announced that part of the business that I worked for was being sold, but part of it wasn't. As a result my team split, and my original boss  and most of the people in the office are now legally employees of another company, while I was one of the few tabbed to stay and work on the clients staying with the company. I've got no problem saying I'm damn good at my job. My current boss is in our Dublin Ireland office (having your boss be on a different continent is not necessarily the worst thing), which means I've basically been running North America for our group for almost a year now. I do have one colleague in my office who is a vice president (two levels above me), and he helps out, but if you asked anyone from another department, they'd assume that I was in charge. Anyway, my boss and I had a conversation in either late August or early September where he let me know that he knew I was doing great work and work that was above my position and he wanted to start working on making me an assistant vice president. Now because I work for a fairly large company, there's lots of beaurocratic bullshit around getting people raises. To just directly promote me A) Can only go into effect January or July 1st and B) Comes with a limit as to the amount of a salary increase, which would be particularly tricky for this jump as my current level lets me make OT every week, but my new role would not. Instead, the vast majority of promotions are done by opening up a new position that I then "apply for". This works around both of the above issues. We made it past the new year, and it seemed like the posting for my promotion was imminent, and then our part of the company got hit with a hiring freeze, stopping any progress in its tracks. The freeze has been lifted, but I get the sense that I permanently lost some of the progress in getting my promotion. I'd like to stay here as I'm comfortable, I'm good at my job, and I'm somewhat established here. That said, I can only sit here and continue to be told I deserve to be an assistant vice president, without actually being made one, for so long.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 04, 2016, 10:45:56 PM
So... yesterday I swung by my old job to tell my old supervisor that I won't be able to fill in shifts due to my having to get the approval from my Site Manager with my county job before working anything else. The Site Manager doesn't seen to keen on me working there anymore.

6 hours later I get a call from there asking if I'll go in and work a shift.


Fuck that shit. I think I am calling it quits officially there.





In other news... I fucking love my County job!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 05, 2016, 03:41:20 AM
Good for you man! The old job is clearly a fucking cesspool and almost seemed to intentionally be fucking with you from how you describe it. If they weren't, then they're just shockingly incompetent and thoroughly undeserving of a good worker like yourself.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Kotowboy on May 05, 2016, 04:17:42 AM
It was one of the best feelings ever - walking out - of one of my old jobs - during my shift - because I hated it and everyone there.


One of those jobs where the higher-up staff just do not care about anyone below them.


Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2016, 07:18:51 AM
In other news... I fucking love my County job!

Nice, glad you are moving on to bigger and better things
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 05, 2016, 12:52:51 PM
In other news... I fucking love my County job!

Nice, glad you are moving on to bigger and better things


Thanks! 
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Post by: axeman90210 on May 05, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
Yeah, congrats on finding a new, better job :tup


Meanwhile I have a feeling that the promotion I was told by my boss I deserved last September, and I thought I was 95% of the way to getting back in January, may not be coming any time soon. May have to start looking elsewhere after I'm done with my summer trips.
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Post by: JustJen on May 07, 2016, 06:21:11 AM
I recently found out that sorbet is pronounced "sorbay" I've been calling it shirbit for years and years. Why? I really don't know. I think I even called it shirbert on occasion.


all these pages in I"m sure many people have already commented on this but they're not even the same thing. Sorbet isn't sherbet, and NOTHING is sherbeRt. It's just how kids mispronounce sherbet.
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Post by: Cable on May 07, 2016, 08:13:43 AM
In other news... I fucking love my County job!

Nice, glad you are moving on to bigger and better things


Thanks!


Working for the gov't is aces.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
So like 7ish years ago there was this woman hired at my work to be a pharmacy tech who is a miserable, wretched bitch. When I was hired 4 years ago, I was told on day one by almost everyone to never cross her or she would destroy you. She has both the director of the department and manager under control and does whatever she wants, whenever she wants. She has gotten people fired, comes and goes whenever she wants, never smiles and generally the entire department is terrified of her.

Fast forward to today, where she was "promoted" a couple months ago from just a tech, to the buyer for the department, and after graduating pharmacy school I am now a pharmacist and no longer a tech. She is shit at her job (by choice) and strait up will just not order shit that I or other people write down on the order sheet. Sometimes its because she's a lazy bitch and other times its because She has decided what we need or don't need and what is too expensive or not.

Well on monday I was prepping for a chemo that was due to be done today and noticed that we did not have enough to make the dose and put it on the order book and low and behold, it didn't show up today and ultimately was not ordered. This miserable bitch got mad heat from the entire department today because she delayed the cancer patient's therapy. I laughed my ass off.
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Post by: King Postwhore on August 08, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
That pleases me. My wife is a certified tech and the horror stories she has told me on her female bosses is insane.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 08, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
I have forgotten about this thread :lol



So here is my gripe of the day:

We have 2 construction sites that are on the perimeters of our main account, but are technically a separate account until they are finished. One of the buildings they are putting up is in the finishing stages... and today they decided to take down the gate that went around it. But the building isn't secure... and they equipment, big and small, strewn around the entire outside of the building. The building borders a busy shopping center on one side, a marina walking path on another, and a major street on a 3rd side. We have one guy who is supposed to watch the 2 sites during the afternoons and nights... (2 shifts). There is no way in hell he can watch both buildings now. If he leaves to go to the other site (its about a 5-10 minute walk), the open building will be completely open to vandals and thieves.

I brought it up to the super attendant for the site, and he told me he's not too worried.  Dude... you have at least 50 empty pallets in stacks  set up in a way which someone could roll up, load into a truck, and be gone in less than 5 minutes.

If shit happens, we can't be held responsible.
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Post by: Chino on August 09, 2017, 07:05:34 AM
Taking some time today to fill out my mid-year goals and objectives. I hate these things so much.

Objective: Continue to provide work that meets the needs of the business.
Goal: Grow enough lettuce to never have to work in a cubicle ever again.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Grappler on August 09, 2017, 07:35:45 AM
I have an arch-nemesis here in the office.  A woman was hired about 5-6 years ago as a customer service rep and her personality is just to be a bully - to coworkers that she dislikes, to colleagues at insurance companies (claims adjustors, underwriters, etc.).  It's how she gets results - she does things her way and verbally beats people up until they submit to how she thinks things should be.  It's also her response to stress.  When she's stressed out, she lashes out and says nasty things about people.

The trash talking got so bad that she would slam down her phone and talk shit about her clients openly after a conversation.  She'd repeat the conversation to anyone around, summarizing how this person offended her and lay down some vulgarities for everyone to hear.  She'd say the same things about people in our corporate office that we work with.  It got so bad, and so annoying that I was talking to my wife on my phone one day and she heard this woman's voice through my telephone.  If I was talking to a client and my coworker decided to spout off, my client would have heard the vulgarities - that can't be happening.  She actually made passive-aggressive bullying threats aloud, directed at me and for me to hear, in response to me turning up a white-noise machine that I keep at my desk to drown out background noise in the office.

So I reported her to HR twice within two years for the same issues.  The HR department had numerous complains about her from people in my office, people in the corporate office, and third parties (clients/insurance vendors) that had called the corporate office to complain about her.  Nothing really changed after the first time.  Her response wasn't to think about how she comes to work and behaves.  I was out the day that HR talked to her and learned that after she was finished with the conversation, she went around the office to complain to anyone who would listen and point the finger at me, saying "HE got me in trouble."   :facepalm: 

The women in this sales team that she works for all believe that they are entitled to having privacy in the office.  So in their minds, I'm being nosy by sitting at my desk and reporting things that I overhear.  Uh, hello - this is an open office setting, with low cubicle walls.  20 people all sit clustered together.  If you think you should have privacy, take it behind closed doors.  If we all can hear things said in the open, nothing is private. 

The second time, my boss told me that there were consequences and I believe that she was put on probation.  Her boss made her move her desk away from mine, so I don't overhear as much.  Her attitude hasn't improved at all, but at least she's not openly and loudly saying nasty things for all of us to hear.  It's just amazing that there can be 10+ people that complain about someone, but they'll point the finger at the one person that they think is the instigator of their problems without thinking about the common denominator - their own behavior. 
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Post by: axeman90210 on August 09, 2017, 10:19:12 AM
Taking some time today to fill out my mid-year goals and objectives. I hate these things so much.

Objective: Continue to provide work that meets the needs of the business.
Goal: Grow enough lettuce to never have to work in a cubicle ever again.

Ugh, I hate those as well. Mid year reviews and year end goal setting are pretty much painful for me.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 09, 2017, 12:13:57 PM
***SNIP***

Makes you wonder how folks with that type of attitude/demeanor acquired their position in the first place? People like that are tough to work with/for and usually bounce around from job to job.

There's nothing wrong with being strict or hard nosed when it comes to business....but you can't be a total Dick without it coming back to bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the line.
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Post by: Grappler on August 09, 2017, 12:45:41 PM
Makes you wonder how folks with that type of attitude/demeanor acquired their position in the first place? People like that are tough to work with/for and usually bounce around from job to job.

There's nothing wrong with being strict or hard nosed when it comes to business....but you can't be a total Dick without it coming back to bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the line.

Agreed - her past work history is just that.  She'd spend 2 years at a place and then move on.  I've never learned much about her past, so I don't know if she left by choice or was fired from those jobs. 

She found like-minded people here, who are more interested in being her friend/drinking buddies after hours, rather than her managers.  They're all vulgar, they all talk trash about people, it's just that they're more discreet about it.  She kisses their asses, and does get results.  She's very knowledgeable about the industry, it's just that her personality is incredibly abrasive and egotistical.  She's always right, everyone is always wrong.  I don't care if they sit around and talk for hours every day, just treat people with respect (including respecting other's workspaces by not being too distracting), and don't sit around and complain that you're too busy - when we all can see that you spend an hour talking about TV shows with your groupies.  I waste time surfing the net, but I don't complain that I'm too busy.  I know I shoot myself in the foot.   ;D
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Post by: Chino on August 09, 2017, 12:58:24 PM
Makes you wonder how folks with that type of attitude/demeanor acquired their position in the first place? People like that are tough to work with/for and usually bounce around from job to job.

There's nothing wrong with being strict or hard nosed when it comes to business....but you can't be a total Dick without it coming back to bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the line.

Agreed - her past work history is just that.  She'd spend 2 years at a place and then move on.  I've never learned much about her past, so I don't know if she left by choice or was fired from those jobs. 

She could just be playing the salary game. I've increased my salary by $14K in 3.5 years by taking new opportunities and negotiating.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2017, 01:02:02 PM
Makes you wonder how folks with that type of attitude/demeanor acquired their position in the first place? People like that are tough to work with/for and usually bounce around from job to job.

There's nothing wrong with being strict or hard nosed when it comes to business....but you can't be a total Dick without it coming back to bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the line.

Agreed - her past work history is just that.  She'd spend 2 years at a place and then move on.  I've never learned much about her past, so I don't know if she left by choice or was fired from those jobs. 

She found like-minded people here, who are more interested in being her friend/drinking buddies after hours, rather than her managers.  They're all vulgar, they all talk trash about people, it's just that they're more discreet about it.  She kisses their asses, and does get results.  She's very knowledgeable about the industry, it's just that her personality is incredibly abrasive and egotistical.  She's always right, everyone is always wrong.  I don't care if they sit around and talk for hours every day, just treat people with respect (including respecting other's workspaces by not being too distracting), and don't sit around and complain that you're too busy - when we all can see that you spend an hour talking about TV shows with your groupies.  I waste time surfing the net, but I don't complain that I'm too busy.  I know I shoot myself in the foot.   ;D

Sounds a lot like office politics.  It's not always about who performs the best, but who plays the nicest with the people who matter the most.  If she's drinking buddies with management that ends up going a long way for her.
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Post by: Grappler on August 09, 2017, 01:14:06 PM
Makes you wonder how folks with that type of attitude/demeanor acquired their position in the first place? People like that are tough to work with/for and usually bounce around from job to job.

There's nothing wrong with being strict or hard nosed when it comes to business....but you can't be a total Dick without it coming back to bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the line.

Agreed - her past work history is just that.  She'd spend 2 years at a place and then move on.  I've never learned much about her past, so I don't know if she left by choice or was fired from those jobs. 

She found like-minded people here, who are more interested in being her friend/drinking buddies after hours, rather than her managers.  They're all vulgar, they all talk trash about people, it's just that they're more discreet about it.  She kisses their asses, and does get results.  She's very knowledgeable about the industry, it's just that her personality is incredibly abrasive and egotistical.  She's always right, everyone is always wrong.  I don't care if they sit around and talk for hours every day, just treat people with respect (including respecting other's workspaces by not being too distracting), and don't sit around and complain that you're too busy - when we all can see that you spend an hour talking about TV shows with your groupies.  I waste time surfing the net, but I don't complain that I'm too busy.  I know I shoot myself in the foot.   ;D

Sounds a lot like office politics.  It's not always about who performs the best, but who plays the nicest with the people who matter the most.  If she's drinking buddies with management that ends up going a long way for her.

Our office is set up differently than most corporations since we are a cluster agency - a group of insurance agents that come together to work under one corporate name.  The salesmen and their support staff are managed independently from the corporate employees (i.e., my company can't fire me, only my direct manager/salesperson that employs me can), though HR does oversee the entire company.  So this woman just kisses her bosses ass and acts like she's untouchable, since her boss protects her.  She's been educated otherwise based on the complaints against her and her probationary period.

But yes, it's office politics but in a different format due to how our company is set up.  The salespersons all protect their support staff and my boss went to bat for me when her bosses quietly confronted him about what happened and if I was the person who "got her in trouble."   

You're 37 years old - you got yourself in trouble.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2017, 01:23:54 PM
I didnt mean to sound like that was against you, but it just sucks how sometimes things play out the way you wouldnt expect in an office environment because of the politics.  I've seen it plenty of times in previous jobs.  My current job is in a smaller company so it's not as noticeable and they were very good at keeping the BS down, but we've grown a lot and I'm starting to see it more and more here.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Grappler on August 09, 2017, 01:46:03 PM
I didn't take it that way, don't worry.  Thankfully I have a good reputation in my office and my corporate office, so when my arch nemesis took it upon herself to trash talk me in response, most people saw right through it.  It's just frustrating beyond belief.  We're over a year removed from the situation and things are better, but still awkward.  We just do our best to not talk to each other unless we need to.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2017, 01:50:16 PM
That just sucks to have to go to work and have to end up feeling awkward because adults can't act like adults.  I can be a total freak and piss people off being a dick, but I keep that side of me at home.  Some people have told me I'm too serious at work, but I like to be considered a professional and act that way.  Work is not a playground nor is it meant to be a social event.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: PetFish on August 09, 2017, 04:23:17 PM
I got fired from my retail management position in 2009 all cuz I'm too nice/not asshole enough to my staff.

It worked out well for me in the end at least.  I'd been wanting to leave for a few years but just couldn't figure out the best time or what I wanted to do.  I wish I'd had the balls to leave way before 2009 but I'm out now and happier than ever.

At least I got a nice severance payout so I could pay for school and stuff.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on August 10, 2017, 06:50:54 AM
My gripe from yesterday. We have a senior person here who is supposed to be the go to if you have obscure questions. Well yesterday we had a one off issue and I asked her about it, she told me what to do and I did it, the thought process did make sense to me.

Fast forward to the afternoon my boss is laying into my ass for fucking up this specific issue. I didn't throw her under the bus and just took it. I've slowly realized she actually has zero idea what she is talking about.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 10, 2017, 08:10:25 AM
Hopefully in the process you learned the correct way to deal with your situation at least?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on August 10, 2017, 08:26:05 AM
I did, the annoying thing is she likes to interject herself into whatever you're doing and offer (often wrong) advice.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 10, 2017, 08:32:18 AM
Hopefully time will prove that it is you who is the knowledgeable one then
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on August 10, 2017, 08:55:18 AM
Makes you wonder how folks with that type of attitude/demeanor acquired their position in the first place? People like that are tough to work with/for and usually bounce around from job to job.

There's nothing wrong with being strict or hard nosed when it comes to business....but you can't be a total Dick without it coming back to bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the line.

Agreed - her past work history is just that.  She'd spend 2 years at a place and then move on.  I've never learned much about her past, so I don't know if she left by choice or was fired from those jobs. 

She could just be playing the salary game. I've increased my salary by $14K in 3.5 years by taking new opportunities and negotiating.

It's changed in recent years, but there was a time at GE where if you were in the same role for more than two years, you were not considered "promotable".   It was subjective as to whether that was because you weren't capable, or that you stated a preference for being "out of the promotion" line, but either way, it basically assured you that the best rating you would ever get is "B". 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 11, 2017, 01:40:16 PM
Believe it or not... I really have no workplace gripes today outside of the usual shit (people calling out, etc).

I've actually been interacting with the property manager here and her assistants  a lot today (she and one assistant is on site today and the other assistant is in their office). I've been basically playing the role as another assistant. Lot's of relaying emails and phone calls. The assistant in their office has been really sweet and flirty.. and the assistant here on site is really nice to... have around... She's rather attractive.

And the actual manager is in a great mood. Makes for a good day!


I'm just ignoring the fact that I am putting off other work to be done till tomorrow to be helping them out. But oh well :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on August 11, 2017, 05:28:49 PM
Some guy at work got fired today.  He was late today, which was the third time he was late in less than two months, and he had taken two sicks days last week. Our boss is pretty big on being reliable, and missing that much time in such a short span is the definition of unreliable.  Even worse, because of his prior experience, he was started as salary, even though he was doing a hourly pay position at the start.  The boss had every intention of moving him up quickly once he got his feet wet and learned the ins and outs of how we run our day to day operations.  Talk about bungling a good opportunity.  :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Post by: ReaperKK on August 11, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
That god the work week is over. We had a ton of issues this past week and we were just swamped. Something is up with my boss, something in his personal life because he has been flying off the handle over the smallest thing. He is pretty hot headed to begin with but he needs to simmer himself down otherwise he is going to get himself into shit. Yelling at people in the corporate environment doesn't go over well.

Anyway, not my problem, I'm on vacation starting Thursday.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 13, 2017, 10:19:46 AM
Had to spend the first 2 hours dealing with bullshit this morning.

Had an issue with an employee yesterday. A complaint about this guy came in... He pissed off the wrong person and she fired back with a long email to me to be sent up to the higher ups. Spent the last hour of my day yesterday dealing with that, and then this morning as well. Then after that, like as soon as I hit send on my long email to my bosses, I had someone come up and start yelling about something else. Threatening lawsuits and harassment and yadda yadda because one of my guys knocked on their door at 3am and asked them to move a van that has been causing issues for years... It's not supposed to be parked on the property at night (Long fucking story) per the property management.  The dude is lucky that I've got a good grip on myself because I almost went off on him right back.



Anyone got a flask they wanna loan me?

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: millahh on August 13, 2017, 04:14:25 PM
I'd loan you mine, but i need it presently, layoffs tomorrow.  Been told I'm safe, but this is not going to be fun.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 04:26:30 PM
Yikes.  Layoffs are terrible.  A couple guys got laid off last friday.  As was told in the email, the team was no longer needed so they were let go.  Those two guys had been here since before I started.  It's kind of scary how you can be an integral part of the company one day and not the next. 
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Post by: millahh on August 16, 2017, 08:20:02 AM
That sucks.  I'll admit I'm starting to become a bit numb to them to a degree, been through so many waves over the last 3-4 years.  Ours was a 10% layoff in R&D, so about 200 people (though, the true impact was at least a bit smaller, as recently vacated positions could be axed, and count towards the total).
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Post by: cramx3 on August 16, 2017, 10:15:34 AM
When I worked for one of the biggest American banks, the layoffs became something I got used to as well.  It's sad that it becomes a normal part of work life.  In fact, some of the people who trained me got laid off and I took their spot shortly after I started.  It was really messed up and put me in an immediate bad position with the rest of my coworkers who just flat out didn't like me because they saw me as a threat to their own jobs.  Over time, that got better when they started to respect me as a person and worker, but I didn't blame them for those initial feelings because I feel it's kind of natural to feel that way with an outsider taking an insiders spot even if that was never my intention or had anything to do with my own doings. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on August 17, 2017, 06:43:10 AM
Cram I work for a major bank and I completely echo the statement that layoffs are a part of life, hell in fact they laid off a guy who worked on the same team as me because when I started they said "well you can do his job as well so we pay you more and we won't need him".

We had a compliance guy on our floor who was great at his job and people loved him. He came into our office and bam, you're fired, you must leave the premises now, all because of perpetual budget cuts.

That's the way of life it seems, I work in investment banking and huge roll-offs come through my desk on a monthly basis at least. It makes for a toxic environment because everyone wants to outperform everyone else and take 100% credit. This is one of the reasons I also keep my resume updated and posted online.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 17, 2017, 07:43:54 AM
It makes for a toxic environment because everyone wants to outperform everyone else and take 100% credit. This is one of the reasons I also keep my resume updated and posted online.

Yup.  There was a guy at the bank who would cause outages on purpose and then somehow he would be the only one who knew how to fix them and would receive praise like he was smart.  It's like playing the game of thrones.  That guy survived throughout my time there.
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Post by: ReaperKK on August 17, 2017, 07:47:02 AM
I don't do anything like that but I did carve a niche; I wrote a powershell script to decode these massive log files from bankers who have issues. I haven't taught anyone how to use it or how it works but I'm the go to guy when it comes to diagnosing software issues.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 17, 2017, 08:25:49 AM
 :lol nice.  Yea well that's a good niche thing, as in you are being productive in doing so and not tricking people.  Keeping a small bit of useful info to yourself isn't such a bad thing IMO in the corporate world. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: millahh on August 17, 2017, 08:58:02 AM
That's some generally horrifying stuff, don't think I'm devious enough to handle that  :lol

I've got a good niche, in that I have knowledge of how we've built certain programs, and there is a strong desire to keep that away from competitors...so they want to keep me here and happy.  I know of two situations where people we laid off, went to work for competitors, and are using their knowledge of our programs against us.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on August 17, 2017, 05:01:09 PM
So its rare that pharmacists start out full time, especially in the hospital. So right now I am Per diem which is basically as needed, and I just fill holes where ever I can find them, and I have been agreeing to everything available.

There is a rich, spoiled, twofaced 39 year old pharmacist who to my face is like "oh its so nice that you are filling in" and stuff and then I found out today that behind my back, she went to my boss and was like "why does Phoenix get to pick up all the shifts, that's not really fair to the rest of the department, those shifts need to be offered to me and everyone else first". Now keep in mind, she a rich bitch that came from money and refuses to work evening or night shifts and was barely in the department the whole summer because that got in the way of her Beach time. Also, everyone else in the department is full time, sooo they don't need shifts.

I basically depend on picking up these one off shifts to just be able to pay my bills, so her petty bullshit is really pissing me off.
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Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 17, 2017, 06:14:19 PM
Your name is Phoenix?
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Post by: Dublagent66 on August 18, 2017, 08:58:32 AM
...and I just fill holes where ever I can find them, and I have been agreeing to everything available.

Everything? :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 19, 2017, 08:51:53 AM
So last night I had 2 people no call / no show, 1 person go home early sick, and one of our main computers took a shit according to my employee meaning we were blind for the entire night (camera system was basically not usable). Turns out... one of the no calls had a surgery rescheduled yesterday and my supervisor neglected to mention it. The other no call was someone who tried to trade shifts with someone and that person backed out (wouldn't have mattered because all shift changes need to be APPROVED by a supervisor or a lead), the dude who went home sick had also taken this Sunday off...  AND the fucking computer issue was BS... it just needed to be restarted.

It's not even 8AM and I wanna go home already :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 07:53:31 AM
System Development Life Cycles and Signoffs

My department has an average of 1 manager for every 3.5 people, and a result of that is having a cluster fuck of an SDLC. If we need to add a field to a table in production, there is a 69 step SDLC with 13 signoffs that are needed along the way. It's my job to keep track and of and obtain all of these signoffs.

Over the last 18 months, I've had to spec out 97 changes to production. This means that over the last 18 months, I've needed to obtain 1,261 individual sign offs for various things. Well, my boss' boss, has started to think about our next audit which is another 18 months from now, and he's been looking through my logs. There are 11 signoffs unaccounted for. All projects were done on time and completed successfully. He's been up my ass for the last week about me finding these 11 missing signoffs and filling in the gaps. They don't exist. I dropped the ball on a few of them, and he personally never delivered 6 of the 11 that are missing, despite me having record of sending him multiple requests to do so.

That's pretty much it. I want to put my fist through his computer.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on August 28, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
My wife's company.

She put in for vacation all of last week and today and they fucked her and she has to work today.  Going into the vacation she accrued 4 weeks of vacation.   She put the request in mid April.  Plus her schedule is only posted till this Wednesday.   What  bunch of fuckups in management.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on August 28, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
I love when customers in Starbucks of all places ask for  " an ordinary Coffee "


I am this guy.
I have been this guy on more than one occasion.
Sorry....I don't need a half caff re-caff with virgin goat milk and vegan aspirated arugula flakes.
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Post by: ReaperKK on August 28, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
Me too, I'll go in there for a blonde roast, room for cream 9/10 times.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 10:49:28 AM
I love when customers in Starbucks of all places ask for  " an ordinary Coffee "


I am this guy.
I have been this guy on more than one occasion.
Sorry....I don't need a half caff re-caff with virgin goat milk and vegan aspirated arugula flakes.

I just say "I'll have a large regular with two splenda" and then play count the stink eye.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2017, 11:12:44 AM
System Development Life Cycles and Signoffs

My department has an average of 1 manager for every 3.5 people, and a result of that is having a cluster fuck of an SDLC. If we need to add a field to a table in production, there is a 69 step SDLC with 13 signoffs that are needed along the way. It's my job to keep track and of and obtain all of these signoffs.

Over the last 18 months, I've had to spec out 97 changes to production. This means that over the last 18 months, I've needed to obtain 1,261 individual sign offs for various things. Well, my boss' boss, has started to think about our next audit which is another 18 months from now, and he's been looking through my logs. There are 11 signoffs unaccounted for. All projects were done on time and completed successfully. He's been up my ass for the last week about me finding these 11 missing signoffs and filling in the gaps. They don't exist. I dropped the ball on a few of them, and he personally never delivered 6 of the 11 that are missing, despite me having record of sending him multiple requests to do so.

That's pretty much it. I want to put my fist through his computer.

We fought that in GE so hard.   Almost every ethical violation we ever had in a business context was the result of having more than three or four signoffs.  Nine out of ten times, the signors just look to see if everyone else signed and put down their John H.   Not that I ever did that (I didn't) but if I was going to try to sneak something by, I always wanted MORE signors than less, because I could bullshit one or two and get the others to go along.  It was always harder with one neck to squeeze.   
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Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2017, 11:13:52 AM
I love when customers in Starbucks of all places ask for  " an ordinary Coffee "


I am this guy.
I have been this guy on more than one occasion.
Sorry....I don't need a half caff re-caff with virgin goat milk and vegan aspirated arugula flakes.

I just say "I'll have a large regular with two splenda" and then play count the stink eye.

other than the Splenda, that's me too.  I just like COFFEE.    Sometimes I'll make a joke and say "Grande blonde" (so it rhymes) and that's it, but they often seem almost bummed that I haven't dug deeper into their chemistry set. 
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Post by: Cable on August 28, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
I feel you Stadler, I'm the nut that enjoys decaf when I attempt (and fail) to eliminate caffeine. I cannot get away from enjoying the taste, and it is "black, like my men." (Airplane movie) 

Although I pretty much like all that Starbucks has to offer with regard to their foo-foo drinks as I call them, their coffee is good IMO. And there is a lot of fun going in to order just a coffee, and not having to wait while others do for their non-fat, no-whip, double-shot, venti Splenda caramel frappuccino.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 12:29:38 PM
Yup, I am a black coffee dude these days (I finally dropped the sugar) and will only order a plain coffee regardles of where I go, including Starbucks or whatever fancy spot that just happens to be close when I want a coffee.

System Development Life Cycles and Signoffs

My department has an average of 1 manager for every 3.5 people, and a result of that is having a cluster fuck of an SDLC. If we need to add a field to a table in production, there is a 69 step SDLC with 13 signoffs that are needed along the way. It's my job to keep track and of and obtain all of these signoffs.

Over the last 18 months, I've had to spec out 97 changes to production. This means that over the last 18 months, I've needed to obtain 1,261 individual sign offs for various things. Well, my boss' boss, has started to think about our next audit which is another 18 months from now, and he's been looking through my logs. There are 11 signoffs unaccounted for. All projects were done on time and completed successfully. He's been up my ass for the last week about me finding these 11 missing signoffs and filling in the gaps. They don't exist. I dropped the ball on a few of them, and he personally never delivered 6 of the 11 that are missing, despite me having record of sending him multiple requests to do so.

That's pretty much it. I want to put my fist through his computer.

This sounds so annoying and reminds me of past jobs.  Sounds like work flow co-ordination, which is some of the most annoying/frustrating things to do in a large company.
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Post by: The Walrus on August 28, 2017, 02:34:02 PM
Work blows. I am tired of not having 'skills' but I don't want to go into debt either by going back to school. I am tired of entry level jobs... but I only have an hour or two after work to study, max, and that's assuming I don't get interrupted during that time.

I like computers. I guess I could apply to be a 'broadband specialist' for Mediacom, since they'll train me, and I guess it'll be good pay, I just don't think I'd enjoy going into people's homes every day.

Ho hum. I'll think about it more after Progpower. The monotony of the entry level jobs is just murder on me and 10 years is enough.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on August 28, 2017, 05:00:33 PM
There's been a lot of activity in this thread :lol

So.. my supervisor fucked up big time on Saturday. He owns a Martial Arts studio (which is the reason for 90% of the issues here.. as his focus is there and NOT here). He had a tournament on Saturday. A couple of the guys from my work went to help him set up, run it, and clean up. Including the guy who was my relief on Saturday.

A call came in at 10AM from this guy. He spoke with the other dude working with me and told him that "he was calling in sick" and that (Our Supervisor) already knew about it and okay'ed it. Well, our rule of thumb has always been that if you are calling in sick and it's NOT an emergency, you have to call around and see if you can find someone to cover the shift. If you can't find anyone, management steps in and works it a solution (Overtime. As we can NOT leave the place understaffed).

I get the message that the dude called out maybe 5 minutes after he called, and I try calling him back. My calls get rejected. So I call our Supervisor. No Answer.


The way I found out that this dude was with our supervisor basically is from the dude who came in to cover part of the shift. He's a close friend, who used was actually going to go hang at the studio, but wound up not doing so. He had asked one of the guys there who all was there out of curiosity... And then after he agreed to cover the shift, asked who he was covering.  I told him. Then he told me that that dude was with our Supervisor.


Fast forward to today. I got to work at 2:50 PM. 10 minutes early. I was relieving my supervisor, and was going to pull him aside and talk to him about it. As soon as I drove up, he took off. So by the time I parked and walked in, he was long gone. So now I am just arranging a time to have a conversation with OUR boss (The owner of the company) about it.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on August 28, 2017, 05:10:32 PM
There's been a lot of activity in this thread :lol

So.. my supervisor fucked up big time on Saturday. He owns a Martial Arts studio (which is the reason for 90% of the issues here.. as his focus is there and NOT here). He had a tournament on Saturday. A couple of the guys from my work went to help him set up, run it, and clean up. Including the guy who was my relief on Saturday.

A call came in at 10AM from this guy. He spoke with the other dude working with me and told him that "he was calling in sick" and that (Our Supervisor) already knew about it and okay'ed it. Well, our rule of thumb has always been that if you are calling in sick and it's NOT an emergency, you have to call around and see if you can find someone to cover the shift. If you can't find anyone, management steps in and works it a solution (Overtime. As we can NOT leave the place understaffed).

I get the message that the dude called out maybe 5 minutes after he called, and I try calling him back. My calls get rejected. So I call our Supervisor. No Answer.


The way I found out that this dude was with our supervisor basically is from the dude who came in to cover part of the shift. He's a close friend, who used was actually going to go hang at the studio, but wound up not doing so. He had asked one of the guys there who all was there out of curiosity... And then after he agreed to cover the shift, asked who he was covering.  I told him. Then he told me that that dude was with our Supervisor.


Fast forward to today. I got to work at 2:50 PM. 10 minutes early. I was relieving my supervisor, and was going to pull him aside and talk to him about it. As soon as I drove up, he took off. So by the time I parked and walked in, he was long gone. So now I am just arranging a time to have a conversation with OUR boss (The owner of the company) about it.

I don't blame you for being pissed, but I would tread lightly with going to the owner.  The big bosses will almost always take the side of a supervisor over their subordinate, and then you will have to work under a supervisor who will likely have it in for you because you were over his head.  Bad situation all-around.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on August 28, 2017, 05:41:16 PM
He should bring it up. It the supervisors are not following the owners game plan then they are hurting his brand.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Cable on August 28, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
Yup, I am a black coffee dude these days (I finally dropped the sugar) and will only order a plain coffee regardles of where I go, including Starbucks or whatever fancy spot that just happens to be close when I want a coffee.



Welcome to the club Cram! Derailing just a bit more (I didn't start the tangent though!), so much easier too right? It's like enjoying meals/dishes without sauces or heavy sauces and stuff. Can focus on the quality of the coffee.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 28, 2017, 08:13:08 PM
There's been a lot of activity in this thread :lol

So.. my supervisor fucked up big time on Saturday. He owns a Martial Arts studio (which is the reason for 90% of the issues here.. as his focus is there and NOT here). He had a tournament on Saturday. A couple of the guys from my work went to help him set up, run it, and clean up. Including the guy who was my relief on Saturday.

A call came in at 10AM from this guy. He spoke with the other dude working with me and told him that "he was calling in sick" and that (Our Supervisor) already knew about it and okay'ed it. Well, our rule of thumb has always been that if you are calling in sick and it's NOT an emergency, you have to call around and see if you can find someone to cover the shift. If you can't find anyone, management steps in and works it a solution (Overtime. As we can NOT leave the place understaffed).

I get the message that the dude called out maybe 5 minutes after he called, and I try calling him back. My calls get rejected. So I call our Supervisor. No Answer.


The way I found out that this dude was with our supervisor basically is from the dude who came in to cover part of the shift. He's a close friend, who used was actually going to go hang at the studio, but wound up not doing so. He had asked one of the guys there who all was there out of curiosity... And then after he agreed to cover the shift, asked who he was covering.  I told him. Then he told me that that dude was with our Supervisor.


Fast forward to today. I got to work at 2:50 PM. 10 minutes early. I was relieving my supervisor, and was going to pull him aside and talk to him about it. As soon as I drove up, he took off. So by the time I parked and walked in, he was long gone. So now I am just arranging a time to have a conversation with OUR boss (The owner of the company) about it.

I don't blame you for being pissed, but I would tread lightly with going to the owner.  The big bosses will almost always take the side of a supervisor over their subordinate, and then you will have to work under a supervisor who will likely have it in for you because you were over his head.  Bad situation all-around.


My supervisor is already on thin ice for shit he's been pulling / work he's been neglecting and leaving for me. I spent  like 8 months since I came *back* to this job trying to hold things together for him, and then a good 2 years before I left here last year cleaning up his messes.  A few months ago it all came crashing down on my supervisor when shit hit the fan and I obviously was the one cleaning up the mess (as my supervisor literally ignored it.. as well as ignored phone calls and emails from OUR boss.)  I got promoted up to the Assistant Post Supervisor from a lead position because he kept dropping the ball... and he was basically told by our boss to shit or get off the pot. Either do the job, or step down and I'll take over. He doesn't want to fire him, but it may come to it as he's not going to ultimately put this account in danger because someone doesn't want to do their job.


Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 20, 2017, 08:08:35 AM
When unreliable people beg me to switch shifts with them.

I honestly prefer working evening, so I don't mind swapping a day for night, but whenever I agree to it, I inevitably wonder/hope that they actually showed up for the shift that I was originally supposed to work, since I know I will get shit for it if they don't.

Its really just annoying in general when people are constantly trying to get me to switch and swap shifts all around.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 20, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
When unreliable people beg me to switch shifts with them.

I honestly prefer working evening, so I don't mind swapping a day for night, but whenever I agree to it, I inevitably wonder/hope that they actually showed up for the shift that I was originally supposed to work, since I know I will get shit for it if they don't.

Its really just annoying in general when people are constantly trying to get me to switch and swap shifts all around.

I HATE that.

That's why we developed a rule here where if you are going to swap shifts, you and the person swapping have to confirm it with a supervisor, so the person taking your shift is on the line for it.  None of this "oh I forgot I was gonna work that for you... oh well it was your shift so it's your fault"  Bullshit.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on October 20, 2017, 07:51:31 PM
The worst part are the people who think that just because you "owe" them a swap, they get to decide when it is on command.

Back in my bartending days, I worked with a gal who was like that.  She'd pick up a shift of mine and I would tell I will pick up one of hers when I can. Two days later,

Her: "Hey, I need you to work tomorrow night for me."

Me: "Sorry, I can't; I have plans."

Her: "Yeah, but you owe me."

She quickly became someone I never swapped shifts with.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on October 20, 2017, 09:17:30 PM
Yea I hated that. Back in the day that is the exact reason I would try and avoid switching at all costs.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 20, 2017, 09:56:20 PM
Agree 100%.  I never ask anyone to swap specifically so that no one can hold anything over me. Forget that
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: axeman90210 on October 22, 2017, 07:45:47 AM
So my part of the world at Citi has monthly technology releases for a software platform that we pay for from a third party vendor. Mostly they happen during EMEA hours, but there's an occasional NAM release and I volunteered to work one yesterday as our team representative (the platform is used by a much wider audience than my team). Basically we have a list of daily tasks that we do that I'm supposed to rerun for Friday and make sure they still work fine after the coding update. Should take an hour, maybe a little bit more. Well I started right on time at 12:30 and of course ran into a snag with the last (and most important) item on the list, which was no longer working properly. All of a sudden it's 6pm and it's still not resolved. Now granted I wasn't glued to my computer the whole time, but I was frequently checking in for updates and had to curb my plans to otherwise partake in a number of beers through the afternoon :lol So at six I get on a conference call with one of our tech guys who acts as a liason between us and the software company, and our rep from the software company. The rep says the guy they need won't be able to log in for a couple hours, and then deployment won't be ready for another hour and a half at least. Meaning they want me to be ready to start an hour plus of testing at 11pm on a Saturday night. To which I replied "nope, I'll log back on Sunday morning to look", only to have my tech guy push back saying that it might be harder for the software company to have resources available Sunday if there are further issues. Had no problem saying right back with the software rep on the line that their coverage issues weren't my problem and that as the client Sunday morning is when I was available for testing. Drives me nuts that we absolutely let this vendor run roughshod over us all the time. Absolute worst customer service I've ever seen in a professional setting. But I'll be damned if they were going to have me working at midnight on a Saturday because it might be more convenient for them.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on October 23, 2017, 12:23:44 PM
Axe do you also work on my team at Wells because they exact scenario seems to happen every couple of months when we do our third part vendor software update.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on October 23, 2017, 12:54:12 PM
Good call Axe.  I've been on many calls for upgrades and testing and whatnot.  Always on the tech end myself, and I can tell you that there is almost never an instances where the tech guys call the shots on timing.  It's business oriented and the client makes the calls.  You are right to tell them that IMO. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 23, 2017, 02:15:58 PM
Work related gripes?  That's one hell of a long list.   :yeahright
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 23, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
It's okay. Let it out. You are among friends.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 23, 2017, 03:39:40 PM
It's not that.  Don't have the time. :lol

Work related appreciations would've been a much shorter list.   :rollin
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on October 31, 2017, 06:27:38 AM
I'm playing the asshole card this morning.

The vegetarians in my department.

We have two vegetarians in our department of 34 people. Both are vegetarians not because of ethical animal concerns, but because of fitness goals. Once a quarter we have a quarterly birthday party and on days like today we'll set aside an hour and a half for a potluck. Every. Single. Person. that contributes to these things feels like they have to accommodate these two guys. Every item in conference room so far is vegetarian. We're having six large pizzas delivered, and THREE of them are veggie (5 if you count the two pies that are just cheese). What the fuck? I get it, there are vegetarians in the office, but do the two of them warrant HALF (5) of our greasy goodnesses to not have meat on them? Only one of the pizzas has meat and it's a pepperoni. 1 pizza with meat for a department of 34. It's a damn shame cause this place makes slamming meat based pizzas.

One guy a few cubes down was just bragging "I brought in cauliflower wings". If I didn't tell you otherwise, you'd swear they were boneless chicken wings. Go fuck yourself, Mitch. You're not fooling anyone with that shit.

/rant
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: faizoff on October 31, 2017, 06:44:11 AM
System Development Life Cycles and Signoffs

My department has an average of 1 manager for every 3.5 people, and a result of that is having a cluster fuck of an SDLC. If we need to add a field to a table in production, there is a 69 step SDLC with 13 signoffs that are needed along the way. It's my job to keep track and of and obtain all of these signoffs.

Over the last 18 months, I've had to spec out 97 changes to production. This means that over the last 18 months, I've needed to obtain 1,261 individual sign offs for various things. Well, my boss' boss, has started to think about our next audit which is another 18 months from now, and he's been looking through my logs. There are 11 signoffs unaccounted for. All projects were done on time and completed successfully. He's been up my ass for the last week about me finding these 11 missing signoffs and filling in the gaps. They don't exist. I dropped the ball on a few of them, and he personally never delivered 6 of the 11 that are missing, despite me having record of sending him multiple requests to do so.

That's pretty much it. I want to put my fist through his computer.

Are you me? I hate hate hate hate those signoffs and all the shitty paperwork that needs to be done for one simple fucking change.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on October 31, 2017, 07:29:16 AM
I'm playing the asshole card this morning.

The vegetarians in my department.

We have two vegetarians in our department of 34 people. Both are vegetarians not because of ethical animal concerns, but because of fitness goals. Once a quarter we have a quarterly birthday party and on days like today we'll set aside an hour and a half for a potluck. Every. Single. Person. that contributes to these things feels like they have to accommodate these two guys. Every item in conference room so far is vegetarian. We're having six large pizzas delivered, and THREE of them are veggie (5 if you count the two pies that are just cheese). What the fuck? I get it, there are vegetarians in the office, but do the two of them warrant HALF (5) of our greasy goodnesses to not have meat on them? Only one of the pizzas has meat and it's a pepperoni. 1 pizza with meat for a department of 34. It's a damn shame cause this place makes slamming meat based pizzas.

One guy a few cubes down was just bragging "I brought in cauliflower wings". If I didn't tell you otherwise, you'd swear they were boneless chicken wings. Go fuck yourself, Mitch. You're not fooling anyone with that shit.

/rant

I had a kid - well, I still do, haha - who had a milk allergy as a child (she's grown out of it).   That's a problem at school, especially with baked goods.    I - and to be fair, my ex-wife - ALWAYS made sure we carried the water on making her experience as good as it can be.  We brought things as appropriate, but also were clear that, in so many words, "life sucks".   We're not all in exactly the same boat at the exact same times.  We took our cue from another student that was literally allergic to everything (including red dye number something) and so at the start of the year, the parents had a package that they gave to the teachers so that if and when there were snacks provided to any of the kids for any reason, there was something available for him. 

I don't care if it makes me look like an asshole.  If you have a dietary choice, that is on you to accommodate.   I'm not saying that I will purposefully bring meat to a function like that - I won't - but I don't feel that means that every function has to be a meat-free exercise.   
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on October 31, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
System Development Life Cycles and Signoffs

My department has an average of 1 manager for every 3.5 people, and a result of that is having a cluster fuck of an SDLC. If we need to add a field to a table in production, there is a 69 step SDLC with 13 signoffs that are needed along the way. It's my job to keep track and of and obtain all of these signoffs.

Over the last 18 months, I've had to spec out 97 changes to production. This means that over the last 18 months, I've needed to obtain 1,261 individual sign offs for various things. Well, my boss' boss, has started to think about our next audit which is another 18 months from now, and he's been looking through my logs. There are 11 signoffs unaccounted for. All projects were done on time and completed successfully. He's been up my ass for the last week about me finding these 11 missing signoffs and filling in the gaps. They don't exist. I dropped the ball on a few of them, and he personally never delivered 6 of the 11 that are missing, despite me having record of sending him multiple requests to do so.

That's pretty much it. I want to put my fist through his computer.

Are you me? I hate hate hate hate those signoffs and all the shitty paperwork that needs to be done for one simple fucking change.

Signoffs are a tricky thing; some Six Sigma analyses have shown that the more signatures required, the more likely that there are ethics issues and compliance issues.   The idea is that after the first couple signings, the rest just "sign" without real deep analysis, just because others' do.    Having said that, there are times - in a process approval situation - where multiple functions are required to move tollgates.   The problem arises when you allow for a tollgate to be met without ALL the appropriate signatures (thus creating your eleven).   

An after the fact signature is not just an issue of ass-covering; it's actually problematic because if something DOES go wrong, you run the risk of mis-allocating the blame, thus shooting your failure analysis between the eyes.   Chino, if you have a quality guy, you (or your manager, or whoever) ought to be discussing this.   If a signature doesn't hold up a tollgate, it's extraneous and added work.  If it does hold up a tollgate, the signing parties have to be accountable not only for the function they represent, but for the schedule and responsibility of BEING the signer.   I know in GE, we had one process (it was the tollgate system for the manufacture of a freight train order) where you couldn't move forward without the requisite signatures, and if the signatures couldn't be gotten, both the tollgate owner AND the signor were called to the carpet.    You didn't want unanswered requests for approval sitting in your box, I can tell you that.     
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on October 31, 2017, 07:41:07 AM
I'm playing the asshole card this morning.

The vegetarians in my department.

We have two vegetarians in our department of 34 people. Both are vegetarians not because of ethical animal concerns, but because of fitness goals. Once a quarter we have a quarterly birthday party and on days like today we'll set aside an hour and a half for a potluck. Every. Single. Person. that contributes to these things feels like they have to accommodate these two guys. Every item in conference room so far is vegetarian. We're having six large pizzas delivered, and THREE of them are veggie (5 if you count the two pies that are just cheese). What the fuck? I get it, there are vegetarians in the office, but do the two of them warrant HALF (5) of our greasy goodnesses to not have meat on them? Only one of the pizzas has meat and it's a pepperoni. 1 pizza with meat for a department of 34. It's a damn shame cause this place makes slamming meat based pizzas.

One guy a few cubes down was just bragging "I brought in cauliflower wings". If I didn't tell you otherwise, you'd swear they were boneless chicken wings. Go fuck yourself, Mitch. You're not fooling anyone with that shit.

/rant

I had a kid - well, I still do, haha - who had a milk allergy as a child (she's grown out of it).   That's a problem at school, especially with baked goods.    I - and to be fair, my ex-wife - ALWAYS made sure we carried the water on making her experience as good as it can be.  We brought things as appropriate, but also were clear that, in so many words, "life sucks".   We're not all in exactly the same boat at the exact same times.  We took our cue from another student that was literally allergic to everything (including red dye number something) and so at the start of the year, the parents had a package that they gave to the teachers so that if and when there were snacks provided to any of the kids for any reason, there was something available for him. 

I don't care if it makes me look like an asshole.  If you have a dietary choice, that is on you to accommodate.   I'm not saying that I will purposefully bring meat to a function like that - I won't - but I don't feel that means that every function has to be a meat-free exercise.

If these people were allergic to meat like in the way a peanut could send a kid to a hospital, it'd be one thing. I wouldn't mind accommodations. But the fact that it's a life choice, primarily so they can run marathons and stuff... I feel no obligation to bend the knee to them. I have 4 pounds of pork shoulder in the crock pot on my desk, and I'd bet this week's paycheck it's the first thing to go.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on October 31, 2017, 07:47:38 AM
I have 4 pounds of pork shoulder in the crock pot on my desk, and I'd bet this week's paycheck it's the first thing to go.

...and your office is where? (Just general local curiosity, nothing more.  That's not me in the janitor's outfit sneaking around your floor).
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on October 31, 2017, 09:06:03 AM
I have 4 pounds of pork shoulder in the crock pot on my desk, and I'd bet this week's paycheck it's the first thing to go.

...and your office is where? (Just general local curiosity, nothing more.  That's not me in the janitor's outfit sneaking around your floor).

Let's just say that if you were standing outside City Steam, and I stepped outside my building and screamed "BILL!", you'd have no problem hearing me loud and clear.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 22, 2017, 05:34:45 PM
So I am getting slammed this morning with orders and phone calls. And my partner for this morning just wants to chat it up and run her mouth. Now on top of that I am two feet away from her and in her 20 min conversation with another co-worker, she does the thing where she talks at normal volume and then whispers when she's talking about something I'm apparently not supposed to hear, and it went back and forth between talking normal then whispering, then talking normal and its so blatant and obvious.

Not only do I find it rude, but dumbass I'm 2 feet away from you. I heard everything you said about your period despite you whispering.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 12, 2018, 07:17:19 AM
It drives me nuts when the sole actions of other co-workers brings heat on to you.

OT is a four letter word at my job, to the point where if you go over 40, you will get called into the office. Last week the scheduler arranged for me to have another person to come in 30 mins early to relieve me on one day, since I was gonna go over 40 for that particular week. Well, that person forget they were supposed to come in early and by the time I texted them and they got there, I was 22 mins overtime. Overtime for which I got shit for this morning, even though legally I can't leave a pharmacy without there being another pharmacist on duty. So yeah, that was a fun way to start a monday morning  :P
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 12, 2018, 11:08:47 AM
It drives me nuts when the sole actions of other co-workers brings heat on to you.

OT is a four letter word at my job, to the point where if you go over 40, you will get called into the office. Last week the scheduler arranged for me to have another person to come in 30 mins early to relieve me on one day, since I was gonna go over 40 for that particular week. Well, that person forget they were supposed to come in early and by the time I texted them and they got there, I was 22 mins overtime. Overtime for which I got shit for this morning, even though legally I can't leave a pharmacy without there being another pharmacist on duty. So yeah, that was a fun way to start a monday morning  :P

Shit.

I pulled some double time on Friday.

Sent a message to my boss apologizing and was just told its all good and he trusts my judgment.

:lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 21, 2018, 05:55:05 AM
In a hospital pharmacy, mistakes happen all the time. All day long, but as long as you catch them and get them corrected, then everything is cool. Last night really bothered me.

I walk over to check an IV. My first look at it, it seemed ok so I signed my initials on it, but then took a closer look and realized it actually an extra ml in it, which meant it had 450mg in it instead of 300mg which is what it was supposed to be.

I handed it to the tech, said "this is wrong. its supposed to be 2ml total. Please remake it" and then I went over to check other things on the other side of the room. When I swung back around and asked for the new bag to check, she looks at me like a deer in the headlights. There was no new bag, so I was like "well, where's the old bag?" and she's like I think the other pharmacist tubed it to the ED and I am like "WHAT?!".

He had gotten a call from the ED and they were asking for it, so he walked over to the IV table, saw my initials on it and tubed it. He did nothing wrong. The tech didn't say a word about it being wrong, or that she was asked to remake it. So he had no idea of it being wrong. And all of this happened with-in minutes.

Patient got the wrong dose and I was very upset about it. Its disheartening and enlightening that even when you catch mistakes, things can still go wrong. Next time I find something wrong, I am ripping that label off immediately.

And luckily the patient was ok by the way, but still, this could have been fatal if it was a different kind of med.

TL:DR  I learned to be more careful at work
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on June 21, 2018, 06:02:34 AM
Does the patient know you guys fucked up or were you able to keep it on the DL?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2018, 06:07:24 AM
It drives me nuts when the sole actions of other co-workers brings heat on to you.

OT is a four letter word at my job, to the point where if you go over 40, you will get called into the office. Last week the scheduler arranged for me to have another person to come in 30 mins early to relieve me on one day, since I was gonna go over 40 for that particular week. Well, that person forget they were supposed to come in early and by the time I texted them and they got there, I was 22 mins overtime. Overtime for which I got shit for this morning, even though legally I can't leave a pharmacy without there being another pharmacist on duty. So yeah, that was a fun way to start a monday morning  :P

That's on your boss so fuck him/her.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2018, 06:11:01 AM
It drives me nuts when the sole actions of other co-workers brings heat on to you.

OT is a four letter word at my job, to the point where if you go over 40, you will get called into the office. Last week the scheduler arranged for me to have another person to come in 30 mins early to relieve me on one day, since I was gonna go over 40 for that particular week. Well, that person forget they were supposed to come in early and by the time I texted them and they got there, I was 22 mins overtime. Overtime for which I got shit for this morning, even though legally I can't leave a pharmacy without there being another pharmacist on duty. So yeah, that was a fun way to start a monday morning  :P

That's on your boss so fuck him/her.

Absolutely.  Don't take heat for that Phoenix.  I would tell them to fuck themselves.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2018, 06:16:56 AM
We had a similar situation at work. My store manager was a fucking asshole. I did the job for 16 years. 6 weeks ago, I spent 2 hours in HR's office at our headquarters detailing everything. After speaking with other employees, they ended up canning his ass.

Fuck him. You can't give people shit for stuff they cannot control. Moreover, you can't give them shit for stuff that YOU control.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 21, 2018, 06:21:05 AM
Does the patient know you guys fucked up or were you able to keep it on the DL?

Here's the real crazy part of the story. No the patient didn't know, but when we contacted the Doctor to let her know about the goof, she looked again at the patient profile (and I shit you not) goes "Oh, this patient should have actually gotten a 600mg dose" (since the patient was average weight) and she ordered another 150mg bag to make it 600mg total.     600mg is the gold standard for that med if the patient is average weight, so it ended up working out better (in an ass backwards round about way)  So the mistake of overdosing the med actually prevented the patient from getting underdosed...

What a world  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on July 29, 2018, 05:54:38 AM
In a hospital pharmacy, mistakes happen all the time. 

Honestly, every time I have to fill a prescription at a pharmacy, I think what a nightmare it must be trying to figure out what a doctor's scribble is supposed to mean.  Seems like it would be easy to mess up.  I think my doctor's handwriting looks like a total mess, and a pharmacist one commented that his handwriting isn't nearly as bad as others she has seen. :eek :eek
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on July 29, 2018, 06:06:32 AM
My wife now works at a hospital pharmacy and told two other workers to stop yapping and get back to work.  She needed to concentrate and she couldn't with them slacking off and being loud next to her.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 29, 2018, 02:30:16 PM
My wife now works at a hospital pharmacy and told two other workers to stop yapping and get back to work.  She needed to concentrate and she couldn't with them slacking off and being loud next to her.

OH MAN, now we can talk. Hospital pharmacy is FULL of lazy ass, complacent techs that think they have tenure or something and waste SO MUCH time running their mouth. Oh my god, I can't stand it. I deal with that shit all day long. Like a stat IV order gets written for an ICU patient and I'm like "hey, this needs to get made ASAP" and they are give me that arrogant expression while they sip their coffee and lean against the counter like "we'll get to it when we get to it". Its infuriating.

But despite that, its SOOO much better than retail.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on July 29, 2018, 03:26:40 PM
She's flat out said it's so much better but my wife is all about her work and when there is work to do, get it done.  Chat later.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on July 29, 2018, 06:57:12 PM
Even worse are the smokers who go outside for 10-15 to puff on their cancer stick when there is something that needs to get done ASAP.  I know the average smoker thinks they are entitled to smoke breaks all day, but when they take them when there is work to be done, it just demonstrate their priorities and lack of commitment to doing a good job.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on July 29, 2018, 07:02:13 PM
I know the average smoker thinks they are entitled to smoke breaks all day,

So much this. Wait for your break to have a smoke.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on July 29, 2018, 07:20:46 PM
I know the average smoker thinks they are entitled to smoke breaks all day,

So much this. Wait for your break to have a smoke.


Also stretching out breaks because of this. 
Title: Work Related Gripes V Toxic work place
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 17, 2018, 06:12:16 AM
To begin, my actual job itself is ass easy and I enjoy it very much, but the people I work with ruin it and make a toxic environment that bothers me deeply. Its an extremely petty and childish workplace.

Today's example: There's this person at work who is obsessed with stealing hours from other people or throwing a fit whenever someone else besides her gets hours. We call her the Psycho Princess. She goes around saying she's poor and must have hours, despite her making 6 figures and her husband having his own business which also brings in strong money. She is 100% materialistic and went and bought a $600,000 dollar house because status is all that matters to her. A coworker got a new Iphone Xs and immediately the next day she had one as well, so there is ZERO money management or self control. This person is "part time" btw. She is guaranteed 20 hours a week but can go up to 40 if the hours are available. Also, btw if its summer time AKA "Beach time", she is a ghost, but anyway,

So fast forward to present. A Per diem worker (As needed worker) has been working every other weekend for the past 10 years. Never missed a shift. Never causes problems. Just a nice, hard working person. The psycho princess ran to HR and demanded this person's hours since she was technically "benefited, part time" blah, blah blah and spun some shit behind the scenes and was able to get the per diem person removed from the weekend shifts. Translation: she whined and complained like a little baby and got what she wanted. Psycho princess is also friends with the manager who is weak and spineless. The department director is also weak and spineless and allows all this BS.

Cut to last weekend which was Psycho Princess's very first weekend after stealing it. On Saturday, she gets violently ill and it literally throwing up at work. Barely made it an hour into the shift, before I was called to come in and cover the shift.

TL:DR  Karma is a bitch

And one last thing I will say. if I am working with decent people (which happens like 40% of the time), then I truly love my job. The other 60% of the time, I seriously consider working another career.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on December 17, 2018, 06:33:32 AM
Even worse are the smokers who go outside for 10-15 to puff on their cancer stick when there is something that needs to get done ASAP.  I know the average smoker thinks they are entitled to smoke breaks all day, but when they take them when there is work to be done, it just demonstrate their priorities and lack of commitment to doing a good job.

I've never worked anywhere where this is acceptable.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 17, 2018, 10:06:39 AM
Even worse are the smokers who go outside for 10-15 to puff on their cancer stick when there is something that needs to get done ASAP.  I know the average smoker thinks they are entitled to smoke breaks all day, but when they take them when there is work to be done, it just demonstrate their priorities and lack of commitment to doing a good job.

I've never worked anywhere where this is acceptable.

This pisses me off. We have 1 employee (new hire whom I am already fucking fed up with) who smokes. When training, he asked me about smoke breaks. I told him he can take a few during the shift, but he MUST wait until there is someone back in the office to keep an eye on things while he does so. 

We've had at least 2 incidents where he's been found outside  away from the office smoking with homeless people, leaving the office completely open and vulnerable. Also don't get me started on the goddamn cigarette butts everywhere now.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V Toxic work place
Post by: millahh on December 17, 2018, 12:42:36 PM

And one last thing I will say. if I am working with decent people (which happens like 40% of the time), then I truly love my job. The other 60% of the time, I seriously consider working another career.

Career, or just working for a manager that isn't an easily manipulated jellyfish?  You've put in an awful lot of time to jump to a different profession!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on December 17, 2018, 12:43:44 PM
Leadership who don't have even 1 day's worth of experience doing the job I (and my 5 other team-mates) have done for our entire careers.  Honestly, my VP (bosses boss), and CxO leader have literally ZERO days of experience doing the job that our team has probably 6 or 7 DECADES of experience doing.  Yet because they are both egotistical cunts with 'woman complex' (kinda like short-man syndrome... they are female executives in a male-dominated industry who have to beat their chests every chance they get)... these fuckin broads think because they have the "title", they know what's best for the job and how it should be done.  They're completely fucking clueless, and won't even listen to the people who have the knowledge and experience that could help make them look more successful.  Things have to be THEIR way - even when it's gonna go over like a led zeppelin.

Oh wait... this isn't the rant thread.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V Toxic work place
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 17, 2018, 01:34:38 PM

And one last thing I will say. if I am working with decent people (which happens like 40% of the time), then I truly love my job. The other 60% of the time, I seriously consider working another career.

Career, or just working for a manager that isn't an easily manipulated jellyfish?  You've put in an awful lot of time to jump to a different profession!

The knee jerk reaction out of frustration is career, but I totally will admit having a decent manager would make a world of difference. 



Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V Toxic work place
Post by: millahh on December 17, 2018, 01:44:50 PM

And one last thing I will say. if I am working with decent people (which happens like 40% of the time), then I truly love my job. The other 60% of the time, I seriously consider working another career.

Career, or just working for a manager that isn't an easily manipulated jellyfish?  You've put in an awful lot of time to jump to a different profession!

The knee jerk reaction out of frustration is career, but I totally will admit having a decent manager would make a world of difference.

There's lots of other things you can do with that pharmacy degree...we can talk if needed :)
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V Toxic work place
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 17, 2018, 02:16:24 PM

There's lots of other things you can do with that pharmacy degree...we can talk if needed :)

Thanks, I appreciate that. If it ends up getting that bad, I will definitely hit you up.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 24, 2018, 10:02:06 AM
I swear I am inches away from just throwing my hands up and walking away at work. ANOTHER full time worker... my Night Lead.... is quitting. He gave less than a week notice and will be out of here on the 27th. That in combination with the fact that I hired a complete piece of shit recently whom I need to fire (Literally was dropped off at work last night by his father and he walked away and went somewhere else)... I am sinking hard. I've got ads out on Craigslist and other job recruitment sites and am getting absolutely nothing.

My blood pressure can't take this place much longer.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on December 24, 2018, 11:25:21 AM
Jay if you don't mind me asking how much do these positions people are quitting pay?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 24, 2018, 11:47:49 AM
Jay if you don't mind me asking how much do these positions people are quitting pay?

$12/hr. Which used to be $2 over minimum... BUT minimum will be $12 as of Jan 1st.  The company is now starting at $12.50... but the base wage for those already here probably wont go up for a month or so. The big issue comes down to the contract with the client. There is always some... backlash whenever the company raises rates. This is the lowest billed property in the company. They make very little money off of it. I know they basically lose money from me (My wage is still 25% lower than it should be for my position).


Edit: Even at the $12.50, it's still 2 dollars less than the going wage for the industry here, and this account is a bit more... involved than most Security gigs.

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 26, 2018, 05:14:56 PM
So we renewed our ad on Craigslist. It spells out very clearly what the job is. (Literally titled "FULL TIME / PART TIME SECURITY OFFICERS NEEDED" and then goes into detail, even mentioning needing to be a State Licensed security guard...).

First response LITERALLY said "Are you guys hiring securitys?"


...

I want to respond, but I will behave.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: PetFish on December 26, 2018, 10:17:28 PM
When they tell you that your health and your family always take priority and then make you feel like a deadbeat POS when you take a sick day or even an unpaid day to take care of your child.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 02, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
A person was just hired in my department that has made False sexual assault accusations in the past. She was being fired from one of the other sites for incompetence and decided to make some shit up on the way out. It turned into a huge mess.

She was only hired at my place because she is friends with the manager. So they allow a lazy, incompetent person with a bad attitude to be hired all because of nepotism. Really not happy about this.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 11:54:07 AM
So they allow a lazy, incompetent person with a bad attitude to be hired all because of nepotism. Really not happy about this.

Yup, that sucks. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 02, 2019, 04:16:34 PM
That kinda crap has been going on for decades.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2019, 07:16:20 AM
We have a guy at work who literally belches at his desk every day - sometimes just a few times, sometimes 30-40 times a day.  It is usually a quieter one that is still audible, but occasionally he'll bust out one that comes off like he was trying to show off.  At what point would you mention this to anyone?  I usually just roll my eyes, but as an account manager, this guy sits close enough to me to where if I was on the phone with one of my customers and he belched, they'd probably hear it (since I use a headset for when I have to make calls). 

On a sidenote, how freaking disgusting and uncouth do you have to be to belch at your desk at work like you are at home in your recliner?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Grappler on May 06, 2019, 06:34:59 AM
We have a guy at work who literally belches at his desk every day - sometimes just a few times, sometimes 30-40 times a day.  It is usually a quieter one that is still audible, but occasionally he'll bust out one that comes off like he was trying to show off.  At what point would you mention this to anyone?  I usually just roll my eyes, but as an account manager, this guy sits close enough to me to where if I was on the phone with one of my customers and he belched, they'd probably hear it (since I use a headset for when I have to make calls). 

I had a similar situation several years ago with an employee that sat close and would loudly swear, complain and cuss out clients after hanging up the phone.  I kept a list of things she would say, verbatim, and sent it to HR after it was plenty long enough with the explanation that I have had people comment on phone calls that they could hear her voice in general and it was only a matter of time until they heard her saying something very bad.  A year later, the behavior had come back, so I had to contact HR again, this time with an audio recording of a full-blown tantrum and this time apparently her job was threatened if she didn't shape up.  HR didn't like the fact that I made an audio recording in the office, but with no eyes or ears in our branch office, what was I supposed to do?  They needed to hear an example of the behavior.

Just be ready for any backlash.  I had this girl's close friends, unit coworkers and even her boss giving me nasty looks and talking about me for a year or two afterwards because they deduced that I reported her to HR....not really understanding that about 10 other people in multiple offices and third parties also complained about her.  I was just an easy target and thankfully people in the office and company respect me enough to know that I wasn't making up a bunch of bullshit to create drama.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on May 06, 2019, 08:01:57 AM
So we renewed our ad on Craigslist. It spells out very clearly what the job is. (Literally titled "FULL TIME / PART TIME SECURITY OFFICERS NEEDED" and then goes into detail, even mentioning needing to be a State Licensed security guard...).

First response LITERALLY said "Are you guys hiring securitys?"


...

I want to respond, but I will behave.

4 people were set up for interviews last week.  None showed up for the interviews.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 06, 2019, 09:45:43 AM
So we renewed our ad on Craigslist. It spells out very clearly what the job is. (Literally titled "FULL TIME / PART TIME SECURITY OFFICERS NEEDED" and then goes into detail, even mentioning needing to be a State Licensed security guard...).

First response LITERALLY said "Are you guys hiring securitys?"


...

I want to respond, but I will behave.

4 people were set up for interviews last week.  None showed up for the interviews.

Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 09:50:18 AM
We have a guy at work who literally belches at his desk every day - sometimes just a few times, sometimes 30-40 times a day.  It is usually a quieter one that is still audible, but occasionally he'll bust out one that comes off like he was trying to show off.  At what point would you mention this to anyone?  I usually just roll my eyes, but as an account manager, this guy sits close enough to me to where if I was on the phone with one of my customers and he belched, they'd probably hear it (since I use a headset for when I have to make calls). 

I had a similar situation several years ago with an employee that sat close and would loudly swear, complain and cuss out clients after hanging up the phone.  I kept a list of things she would say, verbatim, and sent it to HR after it was plenty long enough with the explanation that I have had people comment on phone calls that they could hear her voice in general and it was only a matter of time until they heard her saying something very bad.  A year later, the behavior had come back, so I had to contact HR again, this time with an audio recording of a full-blown tantrum and this time apparently her job was threatened if she didn't shape up.  HR didn't like the fact that I made an audio recording in the office, but with no eyes or ears in our branch office, what was I supposed to do?  They needed to hear an example of the behavior.

Just be ready for any backlash.  I had this girl's close friends, unit coworkers and even her boss giving me nasty looks and talking about me for a year or two afterwards because they deduced that I reported her to HR....not really understanding that about 10 other people in multiple offices and third parties also complained about her.  I was just an easy target and thankfully people in the office and company respect me enough to know that I wasn't making up a bunch of bullshit to create drama.

I understand all that. And I would go to my boss before HR, but I doubt it will ever even come to that. I will be surprised if this guy is still here in six months, so it's just a matter of waiting it out.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on May 07, 2019, 09:52:33 AM
*Disregard
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 24, 2019, 09:19:19 PM
So we have medication machines that get refilled through out the day. When one of them stocks out, a sheet prints out that it needs to be refilled. We have a tech that gets off at 11pm and anything that prints out after 10:30pm he just throws out and then I get angry phone calls from nurses asking for meds that should have been refilled.

I am saving the evidence and building a case against him to give to the manager.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on July 25, 2019, 11:58:41 AM
So we have medication machines that get refilled through out the day. When one of them stocks out, a sheet prints out that it needs to be refilled. We have a tech that gets off at 11pm and anything that prints out after 10:30pm he just throws out and then I get angry phone calls from nurses asking for meds that should have been refilled.

I am saving the evidence and building a case against him to give to the manager.

Is there another guy coming in after 11pm?  Like just throwing away your assignment is kind of ridiculous, seems like I'd be livid if I was the guy taking over his shift.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 25, 2019, 12:38:35 PM
Oh yeah, my bad. This is evening shift tech (2:30 to 11pm) screwing over the nightshift tech (10pm to 8am). So there's a little bit of overlap.

I can see when things stocked out on the computer, but its a whole separate screen and I'm usually dealing with the phone and orders. I noticed it after the fact and we found the stock out sheet in the trash around 11:10pm.

The last time he was confronted about a separate issue, he started crying and ran to the breakroom where the manager coddled him (A grown man btw) and scolded the pharmacist that called him out. This is what I work with on a daily basis  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on July 25, 2019, 12:41:34 PM
oh geeze  :lol

I actually told my boss that I think he needs to get some sleep today.  I don't think he liked it but he was being really aggressive in trying to get me to do something not only stupid, but unlikely to even work.... instead of just paying $27 bucks for a replacement part.  I was really wondering how much he was drinking too, because the conversation was just stupid and really made no sense.  He's in Singapore btw so hence why he should get sleep, it was I think midnight over there when we had this conversation today.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 25, 2019, 02:16:15 PM
Oof.

One of the few people who I trusted my personal phone number to at work (resident), has given out to at least one person, who has called me on it at least once. Could be more, but I blocked the number in my phone.

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Hyperplex on July 25, 2019, 02:26:52 PM
What if the gripe is at yourself?
Making mistakes at work happens but I always have a difficult time reconciling my own fuckups when called out.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on July 25, 2019, 02:37:33 PM
Its definitely not easy to deal with the fallout of your own mistake.  It's best to own up to it, assist in fixing and learn from the mistake.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: PetFish on July 25, 2019, 06:53:45 PM
Has the issue of putting any kind of fish or seafood in the microwave been brought up yet?

Don't do it.  There's a special place in Hell for you if you do.  The end.

Being in healthcare it's safe to say about 75% of my coworkers are Asian and Asian=fish.  It's rough sometimes.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 08, 2019, 02:55:00 PM
The politics are my job are getting outrageously insane. I can't go into details, but there are people in the HOA that hired us that... don't like my company for whatever reason, and people who do. Those people can't find center ground on a topic involving me, and I am stuck right in the middle. Getting shit on daily in emails, and then defended, and then shit on again.

Our contract almost ended in May... and they decided to extend it. It's up again in November... and I am back in the state of mind where I wouldn't mind too much if they didn't sign a new contact.

It's funny because I totally stepped things up when the contract was extended... to prove that we should be kept around, and people are shitting on us. Accusations against my team that are detailed enough to stir up an angry mob, but vague that I can't look into them or defend them. There's not much I can do but grin and bear it.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Cool Chris on August 08, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
Has the issue of putting any kind of fish or seafood in the microwave been brought up yet?

My previous employer banned popcorn from the microwaves. It happened more than once that someone would leave their popcorn in too long such that it would start smoking and set off the fire alarm.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: The Walrus on August 10, 2019, 07:36:34 AM
Well it's a good thing I ended up coming back to the family business (me, my brother, my dad, and two other guys, one about 10 years older than me, the other a few years younger than me). The kid a few years younger than me spent the last year and a half being trained to become a bodyman and he got damn good at it to be honest. But he just put in his 2 weeks notice to go back to work for his uncle in construction even though he left to learn autobody repair because he hated construction... because his uncle is gonna pay him $21/hour, no health care though. Props to him for going for the money but, right now it's even busier than in the winter, which is usually the busy season. And in 3 weeks I'm leaving for Atlanta so that's another body down. It's gonna be a clusterfuck.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 10, 2019, 12:50:03 PM
Tell me about it, work is a huge clusterfuck as well in terms of bodies.  We are already short handed, having more data centers than people to work in them (our team is 5 people including my boss spread around the world with our 6 data centers) and my coworker in Amsterdam put in his notice, I have the entire month of September off, and somehow my boss still needs to go back to Singapore to finish building it.  I've been saying for 2 years now every time I see my boss, you need to hire someone because we are going to find our selves in a very bad situation if someone is out extended time (I have my sabbatical, company approved) and shit gets busy (building a new data center on the other side of the world = really fucking busy).  He really is a poor planner.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: max_security on August 10, 2019, 02:15:55 PM
Tell me about it, work is a huge clusterfuck as well in terms of bodies.  We are already short handed, having more data centers than people to work in them (our team is 5 people including my boss spread around the world with our 6 data centers) and my coworker in Amsterdam put in his notice, I have the entire month of September off, and somehow my boss still needs to go back to Singapore to finish building it.  I've been saying for 2 years now every time I see my boss, you need to hire someone because we are going to find our selves in a very bad situation if someone is out extended time (I have my sabbatical, company approved) and shit gets busy (building a new data center on the other side of the world = really fucking busy).  He really is a poor planner.

My office is in Sterling , VA  , I'm not sure why but there are an extraordinary amount of large new data centers going up. The largest ones have signs that say " Cyrus 1 " or something like that. I figure if I'm ever out of work I could head over to the Liebert office and get hired on the spot.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 10, 2019, 02:38:33 PM
I'm guessing it's cheap real estate and has access to some data pipelines (maybe to DC?) and power.  That's why our main data center is where it is in NJ, close to NYC so access to lots of carriers to the internet and its cheaper space in that part of NJ.  I wouldn't be surprised if someday in the future we move down south though where it's probably much cheaper than NJ and those data pipelines won't matter as much as other hot spots build up carrier access.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 16, 2019, 03:00:02 PM
Had a patient almost die today in a near miss.

We have a tech that is super lazy and careless. And when she does make mistakes, she get's a huge attitude when you tell her she has to make something again.

But anyway, she was supposed to make something called a Bumex IV drip today (it gets rid of excess water), but instead of using bumex vials somehow she used 10 vials of bupivacaine. 

If bupivacaine is given IV, then it causes cardiac arrest and death. Very luckily I caught it while checking it, but if I would have missed it then it would have definitely been given.

She took zero responsibility for it and complained that it was in the wrong bin...
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on August 16, 2019, 07:18:12 PM
Jesus christ that's scary. My gf was an ER nurse for almost 10 years and she told me when she first started she handed someone an IV (or almost started an IV) of something that would've most likely killed the patient, luckily they caught her and she stays it still haunts her how easily she could've killed someone.

That's why I can't be in the medical field, if my team fucks up a banker doessn't get his pitchbook in time. Not the end of the world.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 16, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
I'd kill someone my first week if I worked in the medical field.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 19, 2019, 08:41:37 AM
That's why I can't be in the medical field, if my team fucks up a banker doessn't get his pitchbook in time. Not the end of the world.

Might lose your job if you take down a banker's tech from my experience  :lol

But yea, my job isn't life or death decisions which I like better for me, but that's scary how easily a mistake can mean a life in those jobs and much respect for the ones who not only do those jobs, but take the time to do it right.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: The Walrus on August 19, 2019, 08:45:04 AM
I've realized my ideal job is any kind of job where I show up, don't speak to anybody except for maybe a few words here and there, and then leave after 8 hours. Preferably in a closed, dark room
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on August 19, 2019, 08:55:11 AM
I've realized my ideal job is any kind of job where I show up, don't speak to anybody except for maybe a few words here and there, and then leave after 8 hours. Preferably in a closed, dark room

20-30 years ago, that would have been a film/image development room lol Can't think of another job that fits those descriptions

Today my new boss started. I was the one that did all phone screening and in person interviews and now doing the onboarding. The only thing I didn't do was making an offer/negotiating.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: The Walrus on August 19, 2019, 09:03:55 AM
I guess what I'm saying is my ideal job is to be a dungeon troll in the depths of a trade ship's boiler room
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Post by: cramx3 on August 19, 2019, 09:10:36 AM
Until you get sea sick.  Not sure there is some perfect job out there, everything has it's flaws.  Just got to find whats got the best ups and least downs I guess.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on August 19, 2019, 09:49:20 AM
My boss got whacked at the end of our fiscal year (end of June), and now my Global VP announced that she's taking a new role in another Business Unit.  So, I have two layers of management above me vacant at the moment - which has me and my team-mates reporting directly to our CMO - who can be ... volatile ... is a micro-manager, and is not terribly experienced in the market/client base that our team serves.

:youfail:
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Post by: JayOctavarium on August 19, 2019, 09:55:48 AM
I want my money for nuthin

And my chicks for free
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 19, 2019, 09:57:34 AM
Now that ain't workin!
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Post by: JayOctavarium on August 19, 2019, 10:05:26 AM
I love how I go out of my way to point out a possible issue at work, nothing dangerous, but that may cause a legal issues (Towing a vehicle that is in a slight gray area)... and I basically get shrugged off. Ooooooh kayyyyy well I have emails that show I tried to warn you just in case things go south :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on August 19, 2019, 10:10:52 AM
My boss got whacked at the end of our fiscal year (end of June), and now my Global VP announced that she's taking a new role in another Business Unit.  So, I have two layers of management above me vacant at the moment - which has me and my team-mates reporting directly to our CMO - who can be ... volatile ... is a micro-manager, and is not terribly experienced in the market/client base that our team serves.

:youfail:

That sounds awful but maybe an opportunity for a promotion?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on August 19, 2019, 10:30:39 AM
I could be, if I wanted it.  I'm fully capable and experienced to do the job, but there is not enough Tequila in Mexico to make me want the immense heap of daily BS that comes along with it.
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Post by: ReaperKK on August 22, 2019, 09:41:23 PM
That's why I can't be in the medical field, if my team fucks up a banker doessn't get his pitchbook in time. Not the end of the world.

Might lose your job if you take down a banker's tech from my experience  :lol

But yea, my job isn't life or death decisions which I like better for me, but that's scary how easily a mistake can mean a life in those jobs and much respect for the ones who not only do those jobs, but take the time to do it right.

I'm kind of fortunate, we aren't technically a tech support desk. We support certain type of software that tracks usage of files in our database. 90% of calls are related to bankers trying gain access to certain docs or requesting us to fix their fuck ups.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2019, 07:35:49 AM
My boss got whacked at the end of our fiscal year (end of June), and now my Global VP announced that she's taking a new role in another Business Unit.  So, I have two layers of management above me vacant at the moment - which has me and my team-mates reporting directly to our CMO - who can be ... volatile ... is a micro-manager, and is not terribly experienced in the market/client base that our team serves.

:youfail:

oooff that's shit
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on August 23, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Thankfully, 2 weeks PTO starting in a few hours.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2019, 07:48:31 AM
 :yarr 5 more days including today till my month off  :metal  I'm already in the "not motivated to start anything" mode
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Post by: axeman90210 on August 23, 2019, 08:49:01 AM
I love how I go out of my way to point out a possible issue at work, nothing dangerous, but that may cause a legal issues (Towing a vehicle that is in a slight gray area)... and I basically get shrugged off. Ooooooh kayyyyy well I have emails that show I tried to warn you just in case things go south :lol

Yeah, I save everything as far as emails go. Then six months later when a client tries to say I didn't tell them we'd be doing something a certain way I can show them the exact email I sent telling them that. Bill always has receipts.

:yarr 5 more days including today till my month off  :metal  I'm already in the "not motivated to start anything" mode

My general rule when I'm about to be traveling is that once my boarding pass for my flight has been printed, I don't want to be bothered with fuck-all :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2019, 09:08:12 AM
but... what if I dont print my boarding passes?  :omg:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on October 21, 2019, 08:02:25 AM
For those bitching about open offices... you may have a point

https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/new-harvard-study-you-open-plan-office-is-making-your-team-less-collaborative.html (https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/new-harvard-study-you-open-plan-office-is-making-your-team-less-collaborative.html)
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on October 21, 2019, 09:29:46 AM
For those bitching about open offices... you may have a point

https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/new-harvard-study-you-open-plan-office-is-making-your-team-less-collaborative.html (https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/new-harvard-study-you-open-plan-office-is-making-your-team-less-collaborative.html)

Yup. Study after study shows this, yet they still shove the same talking points down our throats every time they ask us to fill out a survey about how we like it. We've been in our open floor plan for nearly 5 months now. It's trash. I send more emails and send more DMs than I ever did when I was isolated in my cubicle.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on October 21, 2019, 09:38:59 AM
For those bitching about open offices... you may have a point

https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/new-harvard-study-you-open-plan-office-is-making-your-team-less-collaborative.html (https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/new-harvard-study-you-open-plan-office-is-making-your-team-less-collaborative.html)

Yup. Study after study shows this, yet they still shove the same talking points down our throats every time they ask us to fill out a survey about how we like it. We've been in our open floor plan for nearly 5 months now. It's trash. I send more emails and send more DMs than I ever did when I was isolated in my cubicle.

I cherish that.  Yet again, "common sense" sustains a fatal blow.

I despise the open floor plan.   I've been in two circumstances where there were open floor plans, and while I rarely pull rank or try for special treatment (my work life is best characterized by the mantra "a lowered head gathers no lead") in both cases I made the case that as an attorney/counsel, I handle valuable and in some cases personal information and therefore an office is not a luxury but a component of compliance. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
So new year and all, it seems there's a lot of high priority major projects that need to happen sooner than later.  My team is only 3 of us plus a manager.  The work load is crazy right now and the forcast is bad.  My boss has been asking my coworker to work with him on the management side instead of work with me on the projects.  I understand he probably needs help too, but I mentioned to him that it would help our projects if I had the help of another as expected since we've always been a two man team at our home base.  I pretty much handled it all myself in 2019 while my coworker did the office work or travelled. He mentioned that my coworker has only been not helping me for the last quarter which isn't true, it was all of 2019 and I even put this in my yearly review at the end of last year (have yet to hear feedback).  Anyway, I brought up my concerns that there's too much for one person, we are growing insanely and I can't keep up as one person (who also travels to our other sites and when I do, it means my work backloads at the main site). 

Well, I was told to take a xanax.  Literally.  I'm so pissed off about that comment.  I feel that is beyond being unprofessional.  Anyway, I busted ass all day and updated in our group chat what I accomplished and that I will need network engineering to review my own network design (since our 2 of our network engineers quit last month, someone's got to do the work) and made a comment about how it would be nice if we had working scripts like we used to so I didnt have to make custom builds for everything.  Now I got some really nasty responses from my coworker but I'm 99% sure that's my boss using my coworkers account to say it.  I know this as I've known both of them for 10 years and they have very different ways of talking and personality.  I'm livid with that.  I asked if that was my boss and now all chat is quiet.  I'm not stupid and I'm busting my ass while those two drink whiskey in discuss work in the office.  I know this, because they admit after 5pm is when the booze comes out. 

I'm not sure what to do here.  I'm so mad that I want to report this to HR, but at the same time, I'm not looking to get into any shit or make things worse for myself.  I'm just super frustrated, overworked already and feel like I'm being manipulated.  Maybe 2019 is finally when I leave.  If I left, that would put them in a bad spot and I kind of want to do that because my coworker who ahs been doing the office work lately has gotten really bad at doing his core job function.  He works at like 50% of what I'm capable of and my boss forced my Amsterdam coworker to quit last fall so we are already short staffed.  Kind of feel like those two are digging a hole and if I left they would be buried in it.

Short story, I'm so mad that instead of my boss understanding my concerns, he tells me to take a pill and then tries to manipulate me.  I feel abused.

EDIT:  He responded to my comment asking if it was him by using his own account and saying "eat my ass" and didn't acknowledge or deny calling him out.  Kind of confirms it even though I didn't need the confirmation as I know exactly how both of them talk.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: millahh on January 08, 2020, 04:33:30 PM
First off: Screenshot that shit, and maybe make some sort of a documentation of the "xanax" crack. Particularly the latter...your boss could be seen as making an intimation about a protected class.

Second... Fuck 'em. No job is worth burning yourself out for people who will tell you to "take a xanax" and "eat my ass".  You've given them what you owe them (your work in exchange for the paycheck). Yeah, they're manipulating and using you, and kind of acting like a couple of teen girls in the process.  Not saying to go out of your way to burn the bridge, but if it happens to catch fire, well...

You've accumulated a lot of skills and experience, have shown that you can manage complex situations under challenging circumstances, and you're someone who can just get shit done.  If you're having to do shit outside your lane, that is all additional stuff you can use to sell yourself to your next employer., and it can set you up well for the next level up, since you have a view across functions. You've got great material for your CV and for interview questions.  In any environment, there's a lot to be said for people who can just get it done.

[Edit: This was basically the standard Ask A Manager response, except profane]
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 09, 2020, 04:25:26 AM
So new year and all, it seems there's a lot of high priority major projects that need to happen sooner than later.  My team is only 3 of us plus a manager.  The work load is crazy right now and the forcast is bad.  My boss has been asking my coworker to work with him on the management side instead of work with me on the projects.  I understand he probably needs help too, but I mentioned to him that it would help our projects if I had the help of another as expected since we've always been a two man team at our home base.  I pretty much handled it all myself in 2019 while my coworker did the office work or travelled. He mentioned that my coworker has only been not helping me for the last quarter which isn't true, it was all of 2019 and I even put this in my yearly review at the end of last year (have yet to hear feedback).  Anyway, I brought up my concerns that there's too much for one person, we are growing insanely and I can't keep up as one person (who also travels to our other sites and when I do, it means my work backloads at the main site). 

Well, I was told to take a xanax.  Literally.  I'm so pissed off about that comment.  I feel that is beyond being unprofessional.  Anyway, I busted ass all day and updated in our group chat what I accomplished and that I will need network engineering to review my own network design (since our 2 of our network engineers quit last month, someone's got to do the work) and made a comment about how it would be nice if we had working scripts like we used to so I didnt have to make custom builds for everything.  Now I got some really nasty responses from my coworker but I'm 99% sure that's my boss using my coworkers account to say it.  I know this as I've known both of them for 10 years and they have very different ways of talking and personality.  I'm livid with that.  I asked if that was my boss and now all chat is quiet.  I'm not stupid and I'm busting my ass while those two drink whiskey in discuss work in the office.  I know this, because they admit after 5pm is when the booze comes out. 

I'm not sure what to do here.  I'm so mad that I want to report this to HR, but at the same time, I'm not looking to get into any shit or make things worse for myself.  I'm just super frustrated, overworked already and feel like I'm being manipulated.  Maybe 2019 is finally when I leave.  If I left, that would put them in a bad spot and I kind of want to do that because my coworker who ahs been doing the office work lately has gotten really bad at doing his core job function.  He works at like 50% of what I'm capable of and my boss forced my Amsterdam coworker to quit last fall so we are already short staffed.  Kind of feel like those two are digging a hole and if I left they would be buried in it.

Short story, I'm so mad that instead of my boss understanding my concerns, he tells me to take a pill and then tries to manipulate me.  I feel abused.

EDIT:  He responded to my comment asking if it was him by using his own account and saying "eat my ass" and didn't acknowledge or deny calling him out.  Kind of confirms it even though I didn't need the confirmation as I know exactly how both of them talk.

You could fuck him up with that eat my ass comment.  What the fuck is with this guy.  Don't bust your balls for this cunt anymore mate.  If you can fuck him up by going to HR, worrying about what may happen before it's even happened yet is not worth it.

And the main point from your post for me was never sacrifice yourself and make the decision to stay for the sake of others.  Garunteed if the roles were reversed they would fuck off and not give a fucking shit with what crap they have left you in.  I've been sacrificing myself for others for years mate and I know none of those people would do the same for me.

Sounds like you're a smart guy and know what you are doing so there would be plenty of more opportunities out there.  A boss blatantly telling you to take a pill and thrn eat his ass is simply not on.  Do what you can to screw this guy over because he'll just keep screwing you without giving you a second thought.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2020, 06:11:41 AM
Well this guy brought me in from a previous job, mostly treats me well and has a more hands off approach to managing me (meaning, I have lots of freedom to work as I choose since I always get my shit done without issues) but it's clearly a stressful time at work with all the pressure to get stuff done.  I know he kids a lot and EVERYONE knows he has a bad mouth at work but everyone pretty much likes him as it's often just jokes, plus his cousins husband is the head of our department so he has some family ties high up.  I don't totally want to fuck him because I don't think it's in my best interest, but after yesterday I lost a lot of respect because those weren't joke comments anymore, that was me for the first time in awhile speaking up about needing assistance and that everything isn't so smooth for our understaffed team. 

I think I just need to update my resume and put myself out there to gauge what's going on.  I'd rather fuck my boss over by having him lose 1/3 of his team during such a critical time especcially with network engineering being at 1/2 staff (and a lot of this came up because I was talking about how I did a bunch of my own network engineering to make up for them).  Regardless, last night I screenshot both conversations fully last night and backed them up locally off any work device.  I'm surprised he didn't go back and edit them.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on January 09, 2020, 06:31:14 AM
At work I feel like I am in a row boat with co-workers that cut holes in the boat instead of rowing  :P

And I come in the afternoon, so my entire first hour is the phone ringing off the hook, things way behind and digging out of a hole.
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Post by: Stadler on January 09, 2020, 01:24:17 PM
Well this guy brought me in from a previous job, mostly treats me well and has a more hands off approach to managing me (meaning, I have lots of freedom to work as I choose since I always get my shit done without issues) but it's clearly a stressful time at work with all the pressure to get stuff done.  I know he kids a lot and EVERYONE knows he has a bad mouth at work but everyone pretty much likes him as it's often just jokes, plus his cousins husband is the head of our department so he has some family ties high up.  I don't totally want to fuck him because I don't think it's in my best interest, but after yesterday I lost a lot of respect because those weren't joke comments anymore, that was me for the first time in awhile speaking up about needing assistance and that everything isn't so smooth for our understaffed team. 

I think I just need to update my resume and put myself out there to gauge what's going on.  I'd rather fuck my boss over by having him lose 1/3 of his team during such a critical time especcially with network engineering being at 1/2 staff (and a lot of this came up because I was talking about how I did a bunch of my own network engineering to make up for them).  Regardless, last night I screenshot both conversations fully last night and backed them up locally off any work device.  I'm surprised he didn't go back and edit them.

Well, you have options.  Certainly I think that if not legally then practically the "eat my ass" comment is not going to play well.   I think I would throw resumes out there, see what the water looks like, then talk with someone in the company.  That "someone" can either be your boss, or HR.   I can't read your situation, but it depends on what you feel is going on in the background.   If you think it's just overall stress, then maybe talk to him personally, and say "bro, if there's heat, fair enough, but I'm hear to help you not be your whipping boy".   If it's something else, be careful, because you don't want a conversation with him to later be misconstrued or used against you.

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2020, 01:58:44 PM
Well, he's acting normally today and I'm just doing my thing.  Granted, I should note, I haven't actually seen my boss in person in like 6 months now so hard to judge everything via online chat. 

But what bothered me a bit was that my coworker told me that my boss is mad because I didn't get a head start on one of our major projects before the year ended... well because I burned 8 vacation days in December plus he sent me to Denver for a week.  And when I got back I had to catch up on everything I missed while away (either from being on business travel or PTO) since there's no one else to do my work.  Not sure how I was supposed to get ahead of myself.  But my point being, why isn't he talking to me about this and my coworker is being the conduit? 

So frustrating.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 09, 2020, 02:37:00 PM
Well, he's acting normally today and I'm just doing my thing.  Granted, I should note, I haven't actually seen my boss in person in like 6 months now so hard to judge everything via online chat. 

But what bothered me a bit was that my coworker told me that my boss is mad because I didn't get a head start on one of our major projects before the year ended... well because I burned 8 vacation days in December plus he sent me to Denver for a week.  And when I got back I had to catch up on everything I missed while away (either from being on business travel or PTO) since there's no one else to do my work.  Not sure how I was supposed to get ahead of myself.  But my point being, why isn't he talking to me about this and my coworker is being the conduit? 

So frustrating.

There's a good chance he feels threatened by you.  Bosses don't like when employees are smarter and know more than them, so they avoid.  My boss doesn't speak to me either.  He'll speak to everyone else and have a laugh, but ignore me totally, but I kind of am the backbone of what's going on.

In your situation, I think you need to say fuck it and just do what's in front of you and do your work.  I think as you mentioned and what Bill said, get the resume's out there and see what's out there.  You don't want to do anything based on emotion without having a possible backup option, cause then you're fucked.  I'm trying to take the approach of not worrying about what my boss is thinking and just work on me and what I need to do.  Try and find some self satisfaction is what you are doing and helping co workers as opposed to trying to get it done for your boss.  Until he talks to you directly with issues, maybe don't worry.  If you don't see him or need him to do your job then fuck it, just do your job and keep those comments that you've saved on file.

As Bill said too, you can just approach him and ask what's going on and if he has any issues.  You'll probably find he'll backtrack and try and get out of the situation and just say there's no issue and you are doing your job.  Sounds like a weak prick like that.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2020, 05:22:20 PM
I totally agree, I am smarter than him no doubt. I have answers prepped for anything he will ask and that included last night when I informed him of things he should have known but clearly didnt which is what came before the eat my ass comment.  My boss at a previous job was the same way, she would keep me out of everything because she knew I'd find all the issues from her plans and the rest of the team suffered and one person got fired (which was the fire under my ass to get out).

But I'm not going anywhere yet, I cant risk leaving or doing anything irrational. Just need to do as you all say, get my resume out there so I can weigh options. Then I'll have a better idea if the grass is greener. 

The other problem is I get paid fairly well for what I do and have great benefits, itll be hard to find comparable. I would like to move into management though so I'll have to see if there's opportunity.
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Post by: wolfking on January 09, 2020, 05:36:37 PM
I totally agree, I am smarter than him no doubt. I have answers prepped for anything he will ask and that included last night when I informed him of things he should have known but clearly didnt which is what came before the eat my ass comment.  My boss at a previous job was the same way, she would keep me out of everything because she knew I'd find all the issues from her plans and the rest of the team suffered and one person got fired (which was the fire under my ass to get out).

But I'm not going anywhere yet, I cant risk leaving or doing anything irrational. Just need to do as you all say, get my resume out there so I can weigh options. Then I'll have a better idea if the grass is greener. 

The other problem is I get paid fairly well for what I do and have great benefits, itll be hard to find comparable. I would like to move into management though so I'll have to see if there's opportunity.

Yeah mate, I'm in the same boat, the money and benefits are very good which makes it really difficult to just up and leave.  Maybe let things cool, step back and see what happens.  If things cool than cool if shit keeps happening then you have an issue.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2020, 06:08:01 AM
Things aren't going to be cooling down anytime soon.  We just got our newest $500k spine switches, these things are beasts and can do 400Gb/s PER interface.  Got to keep up with the facebooks and googles.

But appreciate the support fellas, wednesday was one of my worst days in terms of treatment that I can recall in a loooong time and was so mad and upset about it.  It's Friday so I'm feeling a bit better just from that and wow for once (after I brought it up which got the whole take a pill thing) my coworker did some real work and helped me yesterday. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on January 10, 2020, 06:17:09 AM


Well, I was told to take a xanax.  Literally.  I'm so pissed off about that comment.  I feel that is beyond being unprofessional.

I would be beyond livid if anyone in the office said that to me, let alone management. I'm not the narc'ing type, but if my manager or any of the higher-ups said that to me, I'd get up and march straight to HR mid conversation without a second thought. Fuck that, man. The corporate environment is miserable enough as it is, I wouldn't need comments like that as icing on the cake.

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I'm not sure what to do here.  I'm so mad that I want to report this to HR, but at the same time, I'm not looking to get into any shit or make things worse for myself.

It's a tough call for you because your operation seems so small. It'd be hard to escape the awkwardness depending how HR wanted to handle it. If you were debating leaving the place anyway, I'd say roll the dice.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on January 10, 2020, 06:24:41 AM
What really sucks is, even when it is not your fault, I feel like once you go to HR with an issue, you are branded by management as a complainer, and good luck in the future with that company.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on January 10, 2020, 06:35:40 AM
We have a closed door policy but in moments like this with a comment there's no getting around it and you have to address it right away.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on January 10, 2020, 07:57:48 AM
This is awkward to write, because it's not like it happens every day, and it's not like I walk around thinking I'm the smartest guy in the room (oddly, I prefer working for companies where I'm not; that's why I loved GE so much.  Smartest people - by far - that I've ever worked with).   But if I do ever find myself in a situation where I think that may be the case - it's happened about three times in my career - I address it head on, in a review or something like that.   It's even more relevant now, now that I've hit a point that I'm not looking to be CEO of the company.

I say right up front:  "Look, I'm not looking for your job.  'Runway' to me is getting well-paid, and being the guy you (boss) go to when you don't know where to turn, or when you get the shit job that no one wants to do.  I want to be the one guy that you bring with you to whatever YOUR next job is."   Yeah, that sounds kiss-ass, and it is - so when you get one of those jobs you best deliver on it - but I've found it's very effective in managing up expectations.   Who knows what he's REALLY thinking, but I know my current boss seems to have taken me at face value, because I am the one guy on his team that is doing ALL the functions of the others (meaning, one of my colleagues is STRICTLY compliance and ethics; one is STRICTLY sourcing; one is STRICTLY one particular business.... I have current projects in two of those three as well as the other stuff I strictly do).   

This doesn't mean that you can't TAKE the bosses job if it becomes open - though, thinking back, I'm not sure that has ever happened to me, to be honest - but you have to minimize the degree to which your own boss views YOU as a threat as opposed to an asset.   You also have to account for the fact that he might not even consciously realize what he's doing. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2020, 09:19:37 AM
I've told my boss I have no desire for his job.  I don't think that's the case.  He just doesn't like that I push back on some of his solutions because he always proposes the more "brute force" way of doing things where as I like to "work smarter, not harder" and would rather get things right the first time than try multiple attempts before getting it right.  I'm easily the most efficient person on my team (I work the least hours and get the most done in those hours), I don't know why that's so frowned upon by him.  And that's including me being on DTF for significant portions of my day  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 24, 2020, 06:00:14 AM
Anybody else deal with politics at work? I mean like inter-department politics, not like left vs right politics.

I feel like the majority of my day is spent trying not to get reported by some other co-worker for god knows what. I sit there dead silent, try not to talk unless absolutely necessary, try not to move too much. Every little thing can be reported and there is so much hate and drama stirring in the department that people are looking for things to report. And there's preferential treatment and double standards as well.

In the past month alone, 3 people have been brought in the office because someone reported them. I feel like I work in a game of thrones/North Korea world where there's secret alliances, spies and people are always listening and watching, just waiting for any opportunity to run into the office. I hear whispering, see the fake smiles and fear for my job. Its very frustrating.

Anyone else deal with an environment like that? 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on June 24, 2020, 07:43:40 AM
Yes, but thankfully not my current job.  In the past I had a manager that liked to pit all the shifts against each other (we did 24/7 coverage on four shifts) as a way to get people to work harder but all it did was make everyone hate everyone.  It was such BS and everytime I tried to offer better solutions I got shut down and eventually these bad ideas from management got someone fired who was only following instructions.  I left shortly after and have not since been in such a toxis work environment.  Now, it's really hard to escape office politics all together but working for a smaller company makes it easier. (and now that my company is merging with a bigger one, I can already sense the politics are getting worse, but with all the WFH it's not so blatant).
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: eric42434224 on June 25, 2020, 02:40:55 PM
Anybody else deal with politics at work? I mean like inter-department politics, not like left vs right politics.

I feel like the majority of my day is spent trying not to get reported by some other co-worker for god knows what. I sit there dead silent, try not to talk unless absolutely necessary, try not to move too much. Every little thing can be reported and there is so much hate and drama stirring in the department that people are looking for things to report. And there's preferential treatment and double standards as well.

In the past month alone, 3 people have been brought in the office because someone reported them. I feel like I work in a game of thrones/North Korea world where there's secret alliances, spies and people are always listening and watching, just waiting for any opportunity to run into the office. I hear whispering, see the fake smiles and fear for my job. Its very frustrating.

Anyone else deal with an environment like that?

Yes.  At Amex believe it or not.  It was between differing teams in the same department.  Most toxic work environment I have ever been in.  The resume boost was so good I stayed Longer than I wanted, but got out as soon as the right opportunity came up. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on July 29, 2020, 12:30:23 PM
So I have hired a good number of people in the past and have also fired a handful and I never had an issue with it.

I don't know why I am freaking out about having to fire one of my employees. Have a meeting with him in a hour and unfortunately have to let him go due to performance and a number of incidents in the past few months. It could be because of his history with the organization (he has been here for a long time), or the combination of that and COVID/employment that is making it harder, knowing that I am (technically) screwing over this person. Maybe it's because he is the first employee I'm firing in over 3 years. I don't know what it is but I am anxious and wish I could avoid it. Hate this part of the job   :\
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: The Walrus on July 29, 2020, 12:33:01 PM
So I have hired a good number of people in the past and have also fired a handful and I never had an issue with it.

I don't know why I am freaking out about having to fire one of my employees. Have a meeting with him in a hour and unfortunately have to let him go due to performance and a number of incidents in the past few months. It could be because of his history with the organization (he has been here for a long time), or the combination of that and COVID/employment that is making it harder, knowing that I am (technically) screwing over this person. Maybe it's because he is the first employee I'm firing in over 3 years. I don't know what it is but I am anxious and wish I could avoid it. Hate this part of the job   :\

That sucks. Hope it goes okay, though. I feel like we're going to have to let go this kid that we hired just a few weeks ago. Wanted to get into the business but man he just shows no motivation and everyone has complained to me in private about how he just seems oblivious and completely unmotivated. Never had to fire anyone before but he could be the first and it's a weird feeling. But it's doubly weird since, you know, small town living and we know his father. oof
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on October 22, 2020, 02:59:59 PM
Well, I just told my coworker he doesn't pay attention anymore and it's getting really frustrating.  I rotate days in with him, but he doesn't seem to do much on his days in making my days in twice as busy as it should be.  Not only that, but he consistently ignores everything I say, almost every email, and doesn't even look in our ticket queue (where work is assigned) to know what's going on.  I'm at the point where I need to start making noise with management (above my boss, because my boss ALWAYS has an excuse for him when I do bring it up).  I don't really know the best way to do that, but his work ethic makes me not want to even try at times.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on October 22, 2020, 04:01:31 PM
So I have hired a good number of people in the past and have also fired a handful and I never had an issue with it.

I don't know why I am freaking out about having to fire one of my employees. Have a meeting with him in a hour and unfortunately have to let him go due to performance and a number of incidents in the past few months. It could be because of his history with the organization (he has been here for a long time), or the combination of that and COVID/employment that is making it harder, knowing that I am (technically) screwing over this person. Maybe it's because he is the first employee I'm firing in over 3 years. I don't know what it is but I am anxious and wish I could avoid it. Hate this part of the job   :\

Your feelings are warranted.  It's no doubt a difficult thing to do.  The thing is though, if there has been multiple instances leading up to this to warrant this outcome, your hands are tied and it's his own fault.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 02, 2021, 10:23:41 PM
Bump!

So, some of you may recall I was bitching about my new college I think either in the irritating or depressed thread, I can't quite remember.  Basically this guy started a bit over a year ago and was a real arrogant prick.  Anyway, he resigned and is now gone.  He was atrocious at the job and couldn't cut it.  He never admitted he couldn't do it and was possibly the most arrogant fucker I'd ever met.  It was always everyone else's fault and things that fucked up were never his doing.

Basically though, I'm back to doing double the workload.  I was probably doing 75% anyway as staff were still dealing with me because he was such a dickhead and wouldn't help or communicate with them, but now it's all up to me.  That doesn't piss me off all that much since I've done it before but I told management, this time, I'm not doing it for next to nothing.  The boss sends an email on Friday only offering me 10% higher duties benefit.  He said there was no possible way they could offer anymore than that.  Yet, they are basically still saving 90% of the wage since there's no one in that position.  Like WTF?!  It's been a massive 2 and a half weeks and the care factor from them is absolute zero.

I've drafted an email to send back that I don't accept it, but I'm wondering if it's even fucking worth it.  I don't really want to go through all the shit that goes with it but it's just not fucking right.  >:( :censored
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Spiritus on March 03, 2021, 02:35:09 AM
Man that type of shit angers me. Been going through something similar at work. Lets share our anger  >:( :censored >:( :censored
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 03, 2021, 04:29:06 AM
Man that type of shit angers me. Been going through something similar at work. Lets share our anger  >:( :censored >:( :censored

That sucks mate.  What gets me is that the managers screwing us would never do anything without propper reimbursement.  Yet it's okay to fuck the little guys.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Podaar on March 03, 2021, 04:59:07 AM
Kade,

Would it be more effective to have a face to face conversation rather than email? I can think of too many scenarios where your boss could be under pressure which is hard to get a read on without seeing his expression. For instance if you were to says something similar to, "Look, I'm not asking to make double salary, but you are spending half what you were previously. A 25% (or whatever you think) rise should be our beginning point." It would be very interesting to see his expression. You could probably quickly judge if he's nervous or just a greedy bastard.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on March 03, 2021, 05:20:26 AM
You didn't ask, but I'll offer:  FACE TO FACE.  For me, this wouldn't even be a decision.   Make it hard on him to look you in the eye and explain the company's and his position on this.

Also, in the States, just bear in mind that the savings ISN'T 90%/10%; there are costs to employees that don't just disappear when they go (some of the taxes, the sunk costs of the employee so far though thankfully we're early in the year if your fiscal year is a calendar year, unemployment if he's eligible).   Still ask for your 25%, but make a commitment that you can do it without hiring a new person; they may not be right, but they MIGHT be looking at this like "I'm giving this Kade dude a permanent 10% raise for holding our nutsacks for a couple of weeks until we replace that dude that bailed".   Make the case why it's more than that.

And good luck!  If you're doing the job of two, you ought to be paid for it!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Podaar on March 03, 2021, 07:10:26 AM
Oh look, Stads and I agree on something! :faint:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 03, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
Thanks lads, face to face makes sense.  We don't deal face to face with anything really.  Our side is kind of left to our own devices (long story), but knowing this guys character, I'd definitely make him feel uncomfortable before the other way around.

I know it's not 90/10 also, was just generalising really.  The thing is though, I have done it in the past solo, and they know that.  I think 25% is acceptable from my part.  I'm not greedy but 10 is me getting screwed. I might offer in my email then a meeting to discuss.  Good idea.  Thanks for you thoughts Gregg and Bill.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 03, 2021, 01:31:30 PM
I don't know what it is but I am anxious and wish I could avoid it. Hate this part of the job   :\


I've been at my job 21 years this June and in that time I have hired and fired about 15 people altogether.  Right now I have 7 who report to me directly, not including a shared administrative assistant who works for me and two other Directors.  I feel you, man.  I have liked most of the people who worked for me and firing those people was soul-crushing, because I can just imagine what it would be like to get the axe myself, especially at 57 yrs old.  Getting rehired with my current salary requirements would be a journey I'm not interested in taking.  That said, the longest tenured person I've ever had to let go was the most recent one who had been with the company for 5 years.  I had to let him go because he was undermining my authority by talking shit about me to the other people who work for me, trying to drag them into his resentments.  Now I treat my employees like gold.  I *never* say "no" when they ask for time off, I always try to get them the best raises I can get them each year and I go to the fucking mat with them on anything, I always have their backs.  So, this dude was pretty surprised when after about a month of his shit-talking (and every single employee he shit-talked to about me came to me and told me about it) I let him go.  That's the ONLY guy I didn't mind letting go.  I gave him 2 warnings about talking shit about me to his peers.  When I gave him the second warning I old him "there will not be a third warning on this, next time this happens you are literally forcing me to let you go, so you decide what you want to do."  He did it again THAT AFTERNOON  :rollin   Fucking zipperhead  :lol


But honestly, even firing a complete fucking knob like that guy kind of made me feel shitty.  Although my entire team came to me and said, "WTF took so long?"  :rollin
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on March 03, 2021, 05:43:12 PM
Like the old saying goes, you can't fix stupid. :lol  Hard to feel sorry for a guy like that.

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on March 03, 2021, 06:01:47 PM
It's been my experience that most people fire themselves.




Kade, the guys recommending a face to face are dead on. And you come need to come armed with facts.

You could always counter offer. My question is, are they planning on replacing the guy? If not, tell him you want a 50% increase, and you might end up with a 30% one.
If they are planning on replacing him, tell them you want 20% but might consider the 10% if:
1. You get an additional premium while they replace him and,
2. You keep the 10% when they do make a hire.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 03, 2021, 06:17:51 PM
My issue is, with the down season coming up and my main facility about to close down and get renovations for six months, come winter, things will be extremely quiet.  We have also opted not to replace him in the short term due to this.  Instead, giving a few key casuals more senior roles and responsibilities.  Keeps staff in work and give some opportunities to long time employees.  So I'm asking for more but we are asking holding off replacing.

It's a tricky situation and to be fair has been my own doing for a long time.  The more you do, the more that's expected and becomes a new norm.  Long story short, over the years, I've made a rod for my own back.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 03, 2021, 06:19:33 PM
2. You keep the 10% when they do make a hire.

I don't mind this at all mate to be honest.  Nice one.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: PetFish on March 03, 2021, 10:19:18 PM
Face to face!...

... although, 6 feet apart wearing masks kinda takes the wind out of the sails of being face-to-face.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 04, 2021, 12:26:07 AM
He rang me this arvo for something unrelated and before he could bail on the phone I brought it up with him.  Was nice about it but explained my viewpoint.  Based on the award I'm under, there's not a lot of wriggle room and I understand that. I asked him if he could ask a few more questions and nicely try a bit harder as regardless of the logistics, it's not all that fair.  He said he understood where I was coming from but his hands are tied.  I get that but he said he'd ask a few others and investigate deeper to try and help.  I even said 20% would be substantial.

I know nothing can happen but whatever the outcome at least now I can escalate things higher or go to HR and put my case across and ask for assistance.  Never approached HR but might be a first for me.  I'm really expecting nothing to come of this truthfully but will keep trying.  I don't want to be an asshole but they have to try a bit harder as far as I'm concerned.  I'm not scared of going over his head if need be.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 05, 2021, 10:14:23 AM
My typical day is coming at 1:30pm to three co-workers who:

1. haven't done shit all day
2. Half completed tasks they attempted
3. Or screwed up tasks that they attempted

So my first 2+ hours is just cleaning up their mess and its extremely frustrating. Manager is either aware and doesn't care or is too dumb to notice. Probably the latter.  :P
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 05, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
I'm not scared of going over his head if need be.


I would tread very carefully here.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 05, 2021, 01:06:50 PM
I'm not scared of going over his head if need be.


I would tread very carefully here.

I know.  I'm kind of a big talker though, I probably won't.  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2021, 04:40:42 PM
What a shit show today. One employee called out. One went home early. The IT decided over the weekend to put all new security for everything.  Couldn't log on for 7 hours. Stayed 12 hour to at least type out the bol's.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on March 08, 2021, 06:16:27 PM
What a shit show today. One employee called out. One went home early. The IT decided over the weekend to put all new security for everything.  Couldn't log on for 7 hours. Stayed 12 hour to at least type out the bol's.

Oof, that sounds awful.  It has been a shit show everywhere in transportation for the last month due to the snow storms and power outages that have messed up everything.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on March 08, 2021, 07:06:57 PM
That blows Joe.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2021, 07:11:48 PM
Rough day today.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on March 08, 2021, 07:14:17 PM
Well, you're home now having a beer. I bet it feels good.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on March 09, 2021, 06:42:21 AM
Shared 1 beer. I was too tired to drink. Lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 09, 2021, 09:08:17 PM
I’m officially miserable from work. Working two jobs, seven days a week between both, with Fridays in particular being rough as I work an 8 hour shift for both (essentially making my work day 7:30am-midnight), I can’t handle this. I decided that I would save to buy the bass I want over the next few months so I at least feel like I’m working towards SOMETHING, but beyond that I don’t know if what I’m doing career-wise is in my best interest.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on April 10, 2021, 04:42:35 AM
I’m officially miserable from work. Working two jobs, seven days a week between both, with Fridays in particular being rough as I work an 8 hour shift for both (essentially making my work day 7:30am-midnight), I can’t handle this. I decided that I would save to buy the bass I want over the next few months so I at least feel like I’m working towards SOMETHING, but beyond that I don’t know if what I’m doing career-wise is in my best interest.

I did 12 hour days 5 days a week then 8 hours both Sat and Sun for years.  Don't do it mate, you have to be mentally tough but it finally catches up with you.  It's not worth it mate.

I did it for years to try and earn as much money as possible, but you end up realising the money ain't worth it.  If it's just for a bass, then you probably don't need it right away so take your time saving for it mate.  Don't kill yourself for it.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Podaar on April 10, 2021, 05:29:56 AM
Wolfking is right. Money's not worth it. Through my long life I've found I've been much better off sane and with not much in my pockets than the other way 'round. If the kids have to go a few years putting whiskey on their Cheerios cause you can't afford milk, it won't kill them. It didn't mine, anyway. Besides, sacrifice builds character, right?

Sane and full pockets is pretty good though.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on April 10, 2021, 05:37:45 AM
I’m officially miserable from work. Working two jobs, seven days a week between both, with Fridays in particular being rough as I work an 8 hour shift for both (essentially making my work day 7:30am-midnight), I can’t handle this. I decided that I would save to buy the bass I want over the next few months so I at least feel like I’m working towards SOMETHING, but beyond that I don’t know if what I’m doing career-wise is in my best interest.

If there is a way for you to get out of that schedule, you should. If you can afford to leave one of the two jobs, do it. The only thing I can say is that you need to take care of yourself, physically and mentally.

My last job I left because it was very demanding (physically) and it was affecting me mentally. I started forgetting things (like frequently leaving my keys hanging on my front door!), I was always tired and unwilling to do much.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Podaar on April 10, 2021, 05:41:42 AM
I started forgetting things (like frequently leaving my keys hanging on my front door!), I was always tired and unwilling to do much.

This sounds like you simply passed your 45th birthday. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on April 10, 2021, 06:31:28 AM
I started forgetting things (like frequently leaving my keys hanging on my front door!), I was always tired and unwilling to do much.

This sounds like you simply passed your 45th birthday. Congratulations.

Well, I've been told that I'm an "old soul", and this was happening in my late 20s so sounds about right  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Skeever on April 10, 2021, 07:39:09 AM
I just feel so disengaged from my work and disconnected from my peers these days. Being remote for over a year now has had a real negative effect on my mental health.

I feel like such a loser. Decent job in a very stable industry with good pay, excellent benefits, and reasonable hours. You'd think I could just pull it together, and put up a fake smile. But nope, I'm starting to lose that ability, and I know for sure that my negative attitude and comments are starting to be noticed.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2021, 11:46:45 AM
The work from home stuff really gets to me too.  I think this may be my last week rotating days with my coworker in the office. I'm getting vaccinated and I'm ready to go back full time. I also have a negative attitude in a good job stemming from being home so much. Looking forward to changing that soon.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 10, 2021, 01:51:01 PM
I’m officially miserable from work. Working two jobs, seven days a week between both, with Fridays in particular being rough as I work an 8 hour shift for both (essentially making my work day 7:30am-midnight), I can’t handle this. I decided that I would save to buy the bass I want over the next few months so I at least feel like I’m working towards SOMETHING, but beyond that I don’t know if what I’m doing career-wise is in my best interest.

I did 12 hour days 5 days a week then 8 hours both Sat and Sun for years.  Don't do it mate, you have to be mentally tough but it finally catches up with you.  It's not worth it mate.

I did it for years to try and earn as much money as possible, but you end up realising the money ain't worth it.  If it's just for a bass, then you probably don't need it right away so take your time saving for it mate.  Don't kill yourself for it.

It’s not just for a bass. The bass is meant to be my reward for sticking it out a little longer. I’m turning 28 this year and have no idea what my career path is. The second job would be able to offer tuition reimbursement if I went full time, although it wouldn’t be much. I have to decide if the little bit of money I would get towards going back to college would be worth staying at this job for four years. If so, then I quit job number one and go full time at job number two. If not, then I quit job number two and stick with job number one until I find better opportunities. But I need to ride it out a little longer until I get all of my ducks in a row, and if this instrument, my dream instrument (I have entire thread in the musicians sub-forum about this bass) can happen within a few months because of how hard I’m working, then if nothing else I’m turning these months of stress into something positive, regardless of whether this is where I end up career wise.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on April 10, 2021, 04:36:55 PM
I just feel so disengaged from my work and disconnected from my peers these days. Being remote for over a year now has had a real negative effect on my mental health.

I feel like such a loser. Decent job in a very stable industry with good pay, excellent benefits, and reasonable hours. You'd think I could just pull it together, and put up a fake smile. But nope, I'm starting to lose that ability, and I know for sure that my negative attitude and comments are starting to be noticed.

What kind of work is it?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Skeever on April 11, 2021, 06:16:58 AM
I just feel so disengaged from my work and disconnected from my peers these days. Being remote for over a year now has had a real negative effect on my mental health.

I feel like such a loser. Decent job in a very stable industry with good pay, excellent benefits, and reasonable hours. You'd think I could just pull it together, and put up a fake smile. But nope, I'm starting to lose that ability, and I know for sure that my negative attitude and comments are starting to be noticed.

What kind of work is it?

Contract specialist. AKA, a lot of corporate administrative stuff, sitting on long phone calls, document editing, routing forms through compliance processes, and so on.....
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 11, 2021, 06:28:52 AM
You have a gift of self-awareness that not every person in your situation has.   Take advantage of that and adjust your attitude a bit if you can.  Fake it until you make it, so to speak. 


I know it's hard to stay positive, though.  Good luck, brother.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on April 11, 2021, 07:56:09 AM
Or speak to a therapist who can help you through these moments.  Sometimes an outside prospective from a professional can help.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Skeever on April 11, 2021, 08:07:03 AM
Thanks, all!

Or speak to a therapist who can help you through these moments.  Sometimes an outside prospective from a professional can help.

I actually tried, twice so far. Therapists are hard to pin down, especially these days. On separate occasions I tried two different ones, one who dropped me for taking too long to respond and another who treated me like an inconvenience from the beginning. So I gave up on that route, as it just made me sink deeper into the ennui of feeling like nothing matters and no one really cares about you. But perhaps I'll try again if I can't get out of it after a few more days.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on April 11, 2021, 08:08:12 AM
That sounds so unprofessional especially for what they do!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on April 11, 2021, 03:35:13 PM
I just feel so disengaged from my work and disconnected from my peers these days. Being remote for over a year now has had a real negative effect on my mental health.

I feel like such a loser. Decent job in a very stable industry with good pay, excellent benefits, and reasonable hours. You'd think I could just pull it together, and put up a fake smile. But nope, I'm starting to lose that ability, and I know for sure that my negative attitude and comments are starting to be noticed.

I know exactly what you mean mate.  I feel my attitude and comments are starting to slowly affect the culture, which is bad and I know I need to change.  I don't have much advice for you mate because your situation is very relatable to me minus the remote working part.  Not sure how old you are, but I think we all get to the point at some stage where you just feel 'what's the fucking point of getting up and doing this over and over again.' 

I never take leave, which I probably should, maybe some time out could help?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
Hate is too strong a word, but I disliked working at home during the first few months of shutdown last year.  Not even taking into account that I am far more organized at the office (for one, having dual monitors, which makes it far easier to work than just the one at home), being isolate at home alone every day wore on me.  Not that my office is social hour, but just being able to chit-chat here and there with work friends and whatnot helps make what can sometimes be otherwise tedious days much more manageable.  I couldn't have been more happy when they announced that we could come back to the office full-time after a couple months at home.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on April 11, 2021, 03:54:14 PM
Hate is too strong a word, but I disliked working at home during the first few months of shutdown last year.  Not even taking into account that I am far more organized at the office (for one, having dual monitors, which makes it far easier to work than just the one at home), being isolate at home alone every day wore on me.  Not that my office is social hour, but just being able to chit-chat here and there with work friends and whatnot helps make what can sometimes be otherwise tedious days much more manageable.  I couldn't have been more happy when they announced that we could come back to the office full-time after a couple months at home.

I'm not a social creature at all, but I think that would wear even on me.  Being totally isolated every day indeed would affect mental health.  Agree, even just being around some bozos at work gives you that something that breaks it up and keeps you engaged. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Skeever on April 11, 2021, 07:11:09 PM
@wolfking

I'm definitely need to take more leave. Last year I took off every single Friday in October to the end of the year and then some additional time around the holidays and I still carried over the maximum amount of vacation days. Now it's already Q2, and I've taken maybe one day.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 12, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
Thanks, all!

Or speak to a therapist who can help you through these moments.  Sometimes an outside prospective from a professional can help.

I actually tried, twice so far. Therapists are hard to pin down, especially these days. On separate occasions I tried two different ones, one who dropped me for taking too long to respond and another who treated me like an inconvenience from the beginning. So I gave up on that route, as it just made me sink deeper into the ennui of feeling like nothing matters and no one really cares about you. But perhaps I'll try again if I can't get out of it after a few more days.


You haven't found the right therapist, then.  I've been seeing the same therapist since 2008 and she's great.  It took me 3 to find the right one for me.  I am SO glad I kept trying, it has been helpful to me personally AND professionally. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
@wolfking

I'm definitely need to take more leave. Last year I took off every single Friday in October to the end of the year and then some additional time around the holidays and I still carried over the maximum amount of vacation days. Now it's already Q2, and I've taken maybe one day.

I can't talk as I take maybe 1 week a year but starting to think more regular leave would help and break up the Groundhog Day feeling.  The every Friday off though would have been awesome.

I must say I do like banking the leave as security if I ever decide to leave. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 13, 2021, 12:40:42 PM
At my company the policy is "use it or lose it"


We're not allowed to carry any PTO over into the new year, which means I have to take a month off every year or forfeit those days on January 1st and that ain't happening so I take the time off.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 12:49:42 PM
As much as I'm not a fan of the "use it or lose it" approach, it does make some sense in terms of preventing burn out.  My company does this and I'd sometimes rather be able to carry over days, but taking them off is nice too.  It's definitely needed from time to time.  I haven't taken any PTO yet this year, I'm starting to feel like it's getting close to taking some to just reset my mind.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on April 13, 2021, 12:56:34 PM
As much as I'm not a fan of the "use it or lose it" approach, it does make some sense in terms of preventing burn out.  My company does this and I'd sometimes rather be able to carry over days, but taking them off is nice too.  It's definitely needed from time to time.  I haven't taken any PTO yet this year, I'm starting to feel like it's getting close to taking some to just reset my mind.

The problem at my work for many people in my department is you either burn yourself out, or you don't make the deadline. Those are your only two options. I work with a number of people that get 6-7 weeks vacation per year and, even in a non-pandemic year, they use half of it at best. We can only roll over five days, so lots of people leave 2+ weeks on the table. If companies were truly serious about preventing burnout, they'd have mandated shut-down days. Don't want burnout? Officially close up shop one Friday per month. Make them built into the calendars and mandatory like holidays, and having them as such will give teams plenty of time to organize and schedule around them. 

So far this year, I've only used one day of PTO. I have 27 remaining. I have no clue what I'm going to do with them. I usually save quite a few for December. I leverage Christmas and New Years to turn 8 or 9 days of PTO into 15+ days in a row off. I usually take maybe a half dozen Fridays off in the summer and BBQ or something.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
As much as I'm not a fan of the "use it or lose it" approach, it does make some sense in terms of preventing burn out.  My company does this and I'd sometimes rather be able to carry over days, but taking them off is nice too.  It's definitely needed from time to time.  I haven't taken any PTO yet this year, I'm starting to feel like it's getting close to taking some to just reset my mind.

The problem at my work for many people in my department is you either burn yourself out, or you don't make the deadline. Those are your only two options. I work with a number of people that get 6-7 weeks vacation per year and, even in a non-pandemic year, they use half of it at best. We can only roll over five days, so lots of people leave 2+ weeks on the table. If companies were truly serious about preventing burnout, they'd have mandated shut-down days. Don't want burnout? Officially close up shop one Friday per month. Make them built into the calendars and mandatory like holidays, and having them as such will give teams plenty of time to organize and schedule around them. 

So far this year, I've only used one day of PTO. I have 27 remaining. I have no clue what I'm going to do with them. I usually save quite a few for December. I leverage Christmas and New Years to turn 8 or 9 days of PTO into 15+ days in a row off. I usually take maybe a half dozen Fridays off in the summer and BBQ or something.

To prevent people from not using it, our policy is PTO does not need management approval.  If you want to or need to use it, no one can stop you. Of course there are legit caveats like deadlines, but for the most part, it's really easy to navigate.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on April 13, 2021, 03:46:07 PM
Over here annual leave accrues.  I've got besides normally a week off a year, 12 years of paid leave banked and if I ever left, I could take almost a year off.  Company demand only 8 weeks maximum can be stored up I think then you're forced to take it but I keep calling their bluff and they don't do shit.  Plus we don't have the resources for me to just go for a weeks leave every couple of months.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 03:52:47 PM
Over here annual leave accrues.  I've got besides normally a week off a year, 12 years of paid leave banked and if I ever left, I could take almost a year off.  Company demand only 8 weeks maximum can be stored up I think then you're forced to take it but I keep calling their bluff and they don't do shit.  Plus we don't have the resources for me to just go for a weeks leave every couple of months.

I'd be careful that they don't fuck you over on that policy in the end if that's their written policy on accrued PTO.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2021, 08:49:58 PM
We can't roll any PTO or vacation days over either, which is unfortunate.  Due to the lockdown last year, I had so many days left by the time September rolled around that I took a few random days off just for the hell of it and still had 2 days to cash out in late October (my anniversary date; our PTO and vacation days begin and end then).  Oh well.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on April 13, 2021, 10:19:37 PM
Over here annual leave accrues.  I've got besides normally a week off a year, 12 years of paid leave banked and if I ever left, I could take almost a year off.  Company demand only 8 weeks maximum can be stored up I think then you're forced to take it but I keep calling their bluff and they don't do shit.  Plus we don't have the resources for me to just go for a weeks leave every couple of months.

I'd be careful that they don't fuck you over on that policy in the end if that's their written policy on accrued PTO.

Nah, over here they can't.  Sick leave you loose but any annual leave, long service and on call leave I get would be paid out.  Tax would be incredible though.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on April 14, 2021, 06:11:00 AM
Over here annual leave accrues.  I've got besides normally a week off a year, 12 years of paid leave banked and if I ever left, I could take almost a year off.  Company demand only 8 weeks maximum can be stored up I think then you're forced to take it but I keep calling their bluff and they don't do shit.  Plus we don't have the resources for me to just go for a weeks leave every couple of months.

I'd be careful that they don't fuck you over on that policy in the end if that's their written policy on accrued PTO.

Nah, over here they can't.  Sick leave you loose but any annual leave, long service and on call leave I get would be paid out.  Tax would be incredible though.

God bless public service in a country that doesn't have draconian labour laws that favour employers over employees.   :biggrin:  :tup
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on April 14, 2021, 06:15:22 AM
Over here annual leave accrues.  I've got besides normally a week off a year, 12 years of paid leave banked and if I ever left, I could take almost a year off.  Company demand only 8 weeks maximum can be stored up I think then you're forced to take it but I keep calling their bluff and they don't do shit.  Plus we don't have the resources for me to just go for a weeks leave every couple of months.

I'd be careful that they don't fuck you over on that policy in the end if that's their written policy on accrued PTO.

Nah, over here they can't.  Sick leave you loose but any annual leave, long service and on call leave I get would be paid out.  Tax would be incredible though.

God bless public service in a country that doesn't have draconian labour laws that favour employers over employees.   :biggrin:  :tup

This!

My job allows for 5 roll over PTO days that you have to use by March 15th or lose. I've heard stories from older Wells Fargo employees that when my office, (used to be Wachovia) was bought out by Wells Fargo people who were accruing PTO got checks to bring them in line with current policy. Some people had months accrued and got some pretty massive checks.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on April 14, 2021, 06:43:18 AM
God bless public service in a country that doesn't have draconian labour laws that favour employers over employees.   :biggrin:  :tup

Right! I'm allowed to roll over 4 days, and I accumulate on a month-to-month basis, which means that I can't take long vacations in January or February even if I wanted to.

Last year because of the pandemic, I did not take a day off at all until October, and I ended up taking 4 weeks off in the spam of 2.5 months (not complaining, but would have been nice to be able to roll over more days into 2021).
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on April 14, 2021, 09:31:06 AM
God bless public service in a country that doesn't have draconian labour laws that favour employers over employees.   :biggrin:  :tup

Right! I'm allowed to roll over 4 days, and I accumulate on a month-to-month basis, which means that I can't take long vacations in January or February even if I wanted to.

Last year because of the pandemic, I did not take a day off at all until October, and I ended up taking 4 weeks off in the spam of 2.5 months (not complaining, but would have been nice to be able to roll over more days into 2021).

You're not allowed to go into a deficit if you wanted to take a 2-week vaca in February?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2021, 09:33:20 AM
What our company is now doing if you haven't used your PTO before the end of the fiscal year, they cut you down to 50 hours and payout the hours they took off. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on April 14, 2021, 09:47:31 AM
You're not allowed to go into a deficit if you wanted to take a 2-week vaca in February?

I went and read my employee handbook to check this (sad, because I edited the final version). It's determined by case. Management is pretty flexible so I'm sure I could do it if I wanted to. Thanks for pointing that out  :tup

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2021, 09:57:03 AM
God bless public service in a country that doesn't have draconian labour laws that favour employers over employees.   :biggrin:  :tup

Right! I'm allowed to roll over 4 days, and I accumulate on a month-to-month basis, which means that I can't take long vacations in January or February even if I wanted to.

Last year because of the pandemic, I did not take a day off at all until October, and I ended up taking 4 weeks off in the spam of 2.5 months (not complaining, but would have been nice to be able to roll over more days into 2021).

You're not allowed to go into a deficit if you wanted to take a 2-week vaca in February?

At my job you'd show a negative number for PTO.  No one will stop you from using it before you accrued it, but if you leave the job, before accruing it, you'll owe the money back.  But also for that reason, I usually try not to take time until after March.  For some reason I have the mental mindset of bang a few months without PTO to start the year and then the rest of the year I can take it a bit more easy and spread the PTO out.  I think this year I'm going 4 months without PTO to start though just because there's nothing to do that's worth burning PTO but I can see opportunities coming later in the year.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on April 14, 2021, 12:37:13 PM
God bless public service in a country that doesn't have draconian labour laws that favour employers over employees.   :biggrin:  :tup

Right! I'm allowed to roll over 4 days, and I accumulate on a month-to-month basis, which means that I can't take long vacations in January or February even if I wanted to.

Last year because of the pandemic, I did not take a day off at all until October, and I ended up taking 4 weeks off in the spam of 2.5 months (not complaining, but would have been nice to be able to roll over more days into 2021).

You're not allowed to go into a deficit if you wanted to take a 2-week vaca in February?

At my job you'd show a negative number for PTO.  No one will stop you from using it before you accrued it, but if you leave the job, before accruing it, you'll owe the money back.

Technically, that's the same up here.  Most companies would dock it from the 2-week's notice.  Still, good luck to any company ever trying to collect a few days worth of PTO.  The minute people resign, if you're going somewhere even remotely competitive, my experience is the company will tell you not to let the door hit your ass on the way out.  Even if not a competitive switch, companies know that employees will do the bare minimum (if that), and often say adios muchachos.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2021, 12:40:36 PM
Yeah, I don't know how it will play out if you did it.  I'd guess if it was a lot of time they'd try to recoup it somehow (via your last paycheck maybe), but if it's a small amount it's probably not worth the effort and maybe managers can wave it.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on April 14, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
My father was able to roll over an unlimited number of days, but they capped his main bank at 800 hours. He filled that bank and cashed it out on his last day.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 14, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
I used to hate the "use it or lose it" policy we have here but over the years I've come to accept it and even appreciate it.  I work about 45 to 50 hours a week and I'm the head of I.T. now for 4 seperate companies spread across three states, so it's a lot of responsibility and can be quite stressful at times.  4 weeks off sounds like a lot but those weeks cruise by very quickly.  I think it's good for my mental health to take that time off and I know I'd probably bank it if they didn't force me to take it off.  The objective of the policy is that everyone gets some downtime each year to decompress and relax.  I've  grown to appreciate the wisdom of that policy.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on April 14, 2021, 05:45:31 PM
I used to hate the "use it or lose it" policy we have here but over the years I've come to accept it and even appreciate it.  I work about 45 to 50 hours a week and I'm the head of I.T. now for 4 seperate companies spread across three states, so it's a lot of responsibility and can be quite stressful at times.  4 weeks off sounds like a lot but those weeks cruise by very quickly.  I think it's good for my mental health to take that time off and I know I'd probably bank it if they didn't force me to take it off.  The objective of the policy is that everyone gets some downtime each year to decompress and relax.  I've  grown to appreciate the wisdom of that policy.

100%.  They harp on about that here too which I get, but some people are in a cruiser position than others that allow leave to be taken more freely.

The use it or lose it thing kind of blows my mind.  I mean, you've worked for that leave so you should be able to bank it up.  What if you want to take an 8 week overseas holiday or something?  Not that you can now but would you have to wait for long service?

I also have the ability to cash out leave which I do which keeps them off my back for a while.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on April 14, 2021, 07:56:53 PM
At my work, if I have 80 hours in my bank, I'll get the first 40 paid out, and I can roll over (up to) 40 hours, but those have to be used by the end of February. Anything over the 80 will be forfeited.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 14, 2021, 09:24:50 PM
I'm always playing with the max amount of hours at my job. Before our merger a few years back, I could bank up to 420 hours and they never expired. You just don't accrue if you are maxed out. I always stayed just below the max. I also accrued nearly 11 hours per 80 hours of work due to my tenure there.

When we merged, the new overlords dropped the ceiling to 300. Anyone that was over got the overage and then some paid out with your paycheck. Now I only accrue about 7.5 hours per 80 hours worked. I'm salaried so we tend to take some liberties with our schedules. The work gets done and we don't burn out. Still, I'm at about 290 hours right now. I need to take a few days off soon so I don't lose any.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on April 15, 2021, 05:58:57 AM
Jeez, I'm lucky over here.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2021, 07:53:43 AM
All this talk made me go look at my PTO.

I have 23 days of PTO this year and haven't used any, plus 2 floating holidays.   :metal I really need to start thinking about burning some time.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on April 15, 2021, 08:05:27 AM
All this talk made me go look at my PTO.

I have 23 days of PTO this year and haven't used any, plus 2 floating holidays.   :metal I really need to start thinking about burning some time.

I've always had two floater holidays at my company, but this year they took one of them away and made MLK day a company paid holiday instead. I think that day is very important and should be a holiday for sure, but I selfishly hated losing that floater. MLK day is on 1/17, and at that time of the year I'm still coming down off the 16+ days I had off at the end of December. Plus, there's not much to do at that time of the year, at least in New England. I would much rather have that floater because I'd usually break it up and use it to take two half day Fridays in the summer. Could go play a round of golf or BBQ. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2021, 08:06:49 AM
We got MLK day for the first time this year too, I had no idea until the Friday before.  I was happy.  But generally, I'd rather floaters than the holidays themselves for the freedom of choice.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 15, 2021, 11:52:51 AM
I have always thought it was very weird that even though I work at a company that's privately owned by a guy who is super-liberal and active in local liberal politics, we do not get MLK day off here. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Snow Dog on April 16, 2021, 08:13:28 AM
The company I work for has us accrue PTO as we go, and we can rollover whatever we have, essentially. The trade off is that PTO encompasses voluntary time off, sick time, and holidays. We used to have extended illness time, but that went away a couple years ago in exchange for a few more PTO days a year (and not the same amount as what went away). The only thing I’m not too fond of is having holidays take from your PTO. Otherwise, I can’t complain.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Super Dude on April 18, 2021, 06:28:19 AM
I don't mind working hard.

I don't mind working long hours.

But I do mind working hard and working for long hours and weekends and still being told by my clients that I'm not working fast enough for their liking.

You can get it done quickly or you can get it done right, and I have enough experience in my field at this point to say that getting it done right is vastly more likely to result in better outcomes, so shut up and let me do my work.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on April 18, 2021, 09:55:50 AM
Holy fuck.  Dude... where ya been?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Super Dude on April 18, 2021, 10:56:08 AM
Holy fuck.  Dude... where ya been?

I dunno, doing stuff. Working my ass off. Eating burritos. I have a daughter now (2 years old).

Wassup?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on April 20, 2021, 02:20:30 PM
I read this story today and was horrified.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/west-hempstead-1-killed-2-wounded-in-a-grocery-shooting-on-long-island-police-say/ar-BB1fRyfS

Seems a Store Manager was killed in his office by a former employee.

I don't work for Stop & Shop, but I do work for a competitor of theirs. I spent 15+ years as a Store Manager. I have to say that there were MANY times after I fired or laid off an employee where I was generally concerned for my safety. My offices in the stores I worked in were basically oversized closets. If I was ever confronted, there was really nowhere for me to go.

I remember many times if I did have to let someone go, I pretty much avoided my office for the rest of the day and purposely stayed visible on the salesfloor. I'd arrange to have a Lost Prevention agent in my store, and accompany me to my car on occasion. And speaking of my car, on those days, I'd have the outdoor security camera squarely focused on my car.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
I read this story today and was horrified.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/west-hempstead-1-killed-2-wounded-in-a-grocery-shooting-on-long-island-police-say/ar-BB1fRyfS

Seems a Store Manager was killed in his office by a former employee.

I don't work for Stop & Shop, but I do work for a competitor of theirs. I spent 15+ years as a Store Manager. I have to say that there were MANY times after I fired or laid off an employee where I was generally concerned for my safety. My offices in the stores I worked in were basically oversized closets. If I was ever confronted, there was really nowhere for me to go.

I remember many times if I did have to let someone go, I pretty much avoided my office for the rest of the day and purposely stayed visible on the salesfloor. I'd arrange to have a Lost Prevention agent in my store, and accompany me to my car on occasion. And speaking of my car, on those days, I'd have the outdoor security camera squarely focused on my car.

Got to make sure you catch the fucker leaving his cart near the car  :biggrin:

But seriously, I hear ya.  That store is near where my boss lives.  It's scary when this shit starts hitting a little close to home.  Either literally o  in the same type of business. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on April 20, 2021, 02:25:58 PM

Got to make sure you catch the fucker leaving his cart near the car  :biggrin:

Hah! That would be self incriminating. :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Grappler on April 20, 2021, 02:47:00 PM
A few years ago, my agency had a client that got very angry at one of our insurance salesmen.  She reminded him that she "had guns."

That afternoon, we started locking the front door of our office and haven't stopped since.  It helps to know that people can't just walk into our office at random.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 05, 2023, 03:06:39 PM
Anyone else have Co-workers that just sit around and do nothing, while you do ALL the work, and your manager either just ignores it or is so incompetent that they can't fix the problem?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2023, 03:13:26 PM
Anyone else have Co-workers that just sit around and do nothing, while you do ALL the work, and your manager either just ignores it or is so incompetent that they can't fix the problem?

Been dealing with that for a few years now.  My coworker that I share an office with used to be really good at the job. Once his marriage took a shit, he basically comes in and does nothing.  I mean, I can see his laptop, he's not doing work and because he's best friends with my boss, he gets a pass.  And I can simpathize for the personal issue, but that divorce is very old news now, at some point you got to get back to working and it just hasn't happened for whatever reason.  It sucks because he's also the one in line for a promotion that he's not deserving of at all.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2023, 04:45:55 PM
Anyone else have Co-workers that just sit around and do nothing, while you do ALL the work, and your manager either just ignores it or is so incompetent that they can't fix the problem?

I think this is going to happen to some degree wherever you work, but I agree it's fucking annoying when these people blatantly take the piss and take advantage of you and your work. 

From my experience, you're always going to have employees that get great satisfaction out of their work and have a good work ethic, others are just there for the paycheck and don't give two fucks.  As a boss it's difficult because you can't change peoples habits and personalities that easily.  If you do, it takes time and a lot of effort also.  Sometimes you have to just try and utilise their strengths in the right areas if possible to make the culture work as best it can.  If that doesn't really work and they are causing problems, next step is to piss them off or cut their hours down.  Different story for a lot of you I know when they are full time. 

I don't think you're ever going to be able to get a team of people with entirely the same ethics and drive unless you go through a lot of hiring and letting go, and that's difficult and tiring.  A lot of bosses are tied by what they have available to them also.  These days for me anyway, sometimes your options are limited in who you have knocking on the door looking for work. I have a few staff members I'd like to piss off right now if I could, but in a casual workforce, it's hard and I need them, as average as they are.  That's the hardest thing from my point of view.

So while your boss may very well be incompetent and seemingly can't fix the problem, there may be more to it.  A lot of the time though you're right, people are put in these high positions that simply are out of their depth.  I'm seeing it right now with me, quite comical.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on January 05, 2023, 07:43:18 PM
In my current role, I don't supervise anyone. But I did it long enough. Where I work now is a fucking joke. The shit people get away with, and nobody does anything, is ridiculous.
I mean basic standards..dress code, not being on your phone, and just all around slacking off.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2023, 11:11:29 PM
In my current role, I don't supervise anyone. But I did it long enough. Where I work now is a fucking joke. The shit people get away with, and nobody does anything, is ridiculous.
I mean basic standards..dress code, not being on your phone, not putting the carts back in the corral and just all around slacking off.

Just fixed that up for you mate.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 06, 2023, 06:09:03 AM
In my current role, I don't supervise anyone. But I did it long enough. Where I work now is a fucking joke. The shit people get away with, and nobody does anything, is ridiculous.
I mean basic standards..dress code, not being on your phone, and just all around slacking off.

Regarding the phone thing, I remember having a conversation years ago with my boss, who now just accepts that it is the way it is.  People are going to spend a lot of time on their phones doing whatever, but as long as people get their work done, he doesn't care.  He is not a micromanager who would ever chastise anyone for standing around talking and shooting the shit.  As long as you get your work done by the end of the day, you are good, and if you don't, he will know it and steps will be taken sooner rather than later.

Long story short, fighting against the new culture of people being addicted to their smart phones is a losing battle.
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Post by: Skeever on January 06, 2023, 06:17:25 AM
In some ways, it's just that everything gets concentrated onto the phone.

When's the last time you saw someone bring a book, newspaper, magazine, etc., to their desk job?
When's the last time you saw someone playing a radio quietly at their cube?
Now, even seeing someone browse personal sites from their work PC is an increasingly rare thing.

This all used to be a common sight. Now it's all just concentrated on someone's personal device. Managers care, first and foremost, that you show up and do your job.
Being at your desk on your phone or on the forums while doing your job is preferable to them than you slacking off in someone other way - at least in this scenario, you're there, under their thumb, ready to be utilized at a moment's notice.

Any issues that a manager has with a phone user who is doing their job is just related to optics, i.e., "I don't care that TAC is on his phone, but he's doing it so much it might be making other departments think we don't have enough to do!"
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Post by: TAC on January 06, 2023, 06:28:44 AM
In my current role, I don't supervise anyone. But I did it long enough. Where I work now is a fucking joke. The shit people get away with, and nobody does anything, is ridiculous.
I mean basic standards..dress code, not being on your phone, and just all around slacking off.

Regarding the phone thing, I remember having a conversation years ago with my boss, who now just accepts that it is the way it is.  People are going to spend a lot of time on their phones doing whatever, but as long as people get their work done, he doesn't care.  He is not a micromanager who would ever chastise anyone for standing around talking and shooting the shit.  As long as you get your work done by the end of the day, you are good, and if you don't, he will know it and steps will be taken sooner rather than later.

Long story short, fighting against the new culture of people being addicted to their smart phones is a losing battle.

Well, if it's a desk or office job, something task based, that's one thing.

My cell phone speech went something like this:
I understand if you have to take a call. We all have wives and kids. I know my wife will certainly call me during the day. The only thing I ask is that you use your phone OUT OF VIEW of the customer, and NEVER on the salesfloor. If I walk into your backroom and you're on your phone, I'll keep walking, unless of course every time I walk into your back room and you're on your phone.



The thing is, you cannot let your standards fall. Cashiers cannot be texting between customers, or even worse, while they're ringing up an order. I get with the lack of help, managers are stuck having to make concessions on some things, but a company's customer facing standards should not be one of them.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2023, 07:55:35 AM
Long story short, fighting against the new culture of people being addicted to their smart phones is a losing battle.

This.  People are going to be on their phones.  Accept it or you won't have employees.  Granted, I get what Tim is saying and mostly agree.  You shouldn't be on your phone in front of customers, but also, if there's no customers there, just because you are on the floor, I'm not sure I see the issue.  Of course assuming you are otherwise getting your job done.  I think it just mostly comes down to that in the end, be a good worker first and have the freedom to use your phone appropriately.

I do enjoy working mostly alone for this reason, I can sit on DTF all day long sometimes. I get my work done, no one cares.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 06, 2023, 08:24:50 AM
Slightly on a tangent from Phoenix's post, but I came to the realization long ago I'm paid to deliver a result, not how many hours I'm performing tasks.  I realize that this is a luxury that not all people have.  "Slacking" is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.  Now, tangibly doing nothing (or next to nothing) is a different story - because presumably that also would impact the output they produce (whatever that output is).

I never made my kids do their homework for X number of hours - if they got an A, then they studied/worked hard enough - whether 10 minutes, or 10 hours.  I take the same approach with work.  If I can meet my job / bosses expectations in 30 hours a week, or if it takes me 60, so be it.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lordxizor on January 08, 2023, 09:46:35 AM
I have a direct report who is abusing our sick time policies. She apparently is telling her coworkers that she's going to call in sick the next day and then does. Last week for three days in a row. I don't know why she doesn't just put in for PTO if it is planned. I would virtually always approve it. We technically have an attendance point system that results in disciplinary action once you get to a certain number of points. I made it clear to my team that I value flexibility and wasn't going to be a stickler on the points, but now I feel like I have to be with this woman. I plan to go back and add up her points on Monday and see where she sits. I don't want to have a talk with her about how important it is to actually show up to work or plan her time off at least 24 hours in advance to help with planning the team's day, but apparently this is a conversation she's needed to have with her past supervisor. Ugh... why can't people just have a decent work ethic and be conscientious of their coworkers.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2023, 01:57:25 PM
Arwe there warnings in her file from her past supervisor? Might be time to give her one.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2023, 03:48:35 PM
Arwe there warnings in her file from her past supervisor? Might be time to give her one.

Yeah, fuck that shit of telling people the day before they are calling in sick.  That's the ultimate piss take.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lordxizor on January 09, 2023, 09:15:30 AM
Arwe there warnings in her file from her past supervisor? Might be time to give her one.
I'm not sure that they ever got to the formal warning stage. It was more of a "you have this many points and are getting close to where I need to give you a formal warning." and then she shapes up for a while.


Arwe there warnings in her file from her past supervisor? Might be time to give her one.

Yeah, fuck that shit of telling people the day before they are calling in sick.  That's the ultimate piss take.
What I don't get is why she doesn't put in a PTO request if she knows she's not going to be in? Make no sense at all to me. Calling in sick frequently looks way worse than putting in short notice PTO requests.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2023, 09:19:43 AM
Arwe there warnings in her file from her past supervisor? Might be time to give her one.

Yeah, fuck that shit of telling people the day before they are calling in sick.  That's the ultimate piss take.
What I don't get is why she doesn't put in a PTO request if she knows she's not going to be in? Make no sense at all to me. Calling in sick frequently looks way worse than putting in short notice PTO requests.

I guess it depends on the job though.  For me, I get 10 sick days but I'm encouraged to use them all and not entirely use them for illness.  Telling someone I'm going to use a sick day tomorrow is not uncommon here.  It's basically the same as PTO, but you can't roll it over or get paid out for it if you leave.  But I understand most jobs aren't like this, none of my previous jobs were.  If sick time is truly meant for illness, then you can't predict that (unless you are already feeling shitty at work and feel you'll be worse and need to be home tomorrow) so I otherwise agree that it shouldn't be used.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on January 09, 2023, 09:20:14 AM
Is the sick time a separate bucket from PTO?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lordxizor on January 09, 2023, 09:22:10 AM
Is the sick time a separate bucket from PTO?
No. Our PTO is all in one bucket. But we do have "planned PTO" and "unplanned PTO". You get attendance points for unplanned PTO, but not for planned PTO. Planned is technically requesting it more than 24 hours in advance, but I've never really cared as long as it was the day before.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on January 09, 2023, 09:24:50 AM
Is the sick time a separate bucket from PTO?
No. Our PTO is all in one bucket. But we do have "planned PTO" and "unplanned PTO". You get attendance points for unplanned PTO, but not for planned PTO. Planned is technically requesting it more than 24 hours in advance, but I've never really cared as long as it was the day before.

Interesting. So if you’re actually sick and use unplanned PTO, then you get attendance points?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2023, 09:30:30 AM
Is the sick time a separate bucket from PTO?

For me it is
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lordxizor on January 09, 2023, 11:27:45 AM
Is the sick time a separate bucket from PTO?
No. Our PTO is all in one bucket. But we do have "planned PTO" and "unplanned PTO". You get attendance points for unplanned PTO, but not for planned PTO. Planned is technically requesting it more than 24 hours in advance, but I've never really cared as long as it was the day before.

Interesting. So if you’re actually sick and use unplanned PTO, then you get attendance points?
Yes. Basically it's meant to discourage people from calling in sick when they're really not (which is what my person is doing). You get 1/2 a point whenever you take unplanned PTO. But you max out at 1 point per illness if you have a note from a doctor confirming you were actually sick, so you can be out for 5 days and get 1 point instead of 2.5.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on January 09, 2023, 05:14:27 PM
PTO is the same as sick days where I work, but I don't stress days off and whatnot.  My boss is really good about stuff. I had to leave three weeks ago for a few hours to visit the hospital when my aunt was on the verge of passing and then had to the same last Tuesday for my uncle days later.  In both cases, I was out of the office for 3-4 hours in the middle of the work day and he never said anything about me having to take any PTO or anything.  He is really good about that kind of stuff, but to throw out a humble brag :P, I am sure he knows I am not someone who would take advantage of it.
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Post by: axeman90210 on January 09, 2023, 07:25:25 PM
Separate buckets for us. We had one guy who would abuse it by scheduling a vacation and then calling out sick the day or two before or after his planned vacation. Once or twice would have been believable, but it happened more often than it didn't. That used to piss me off.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 10, 2023, 03:38:19 AM
Is the sick time a separate bucket from PTO?
No. Our PTO is all in one bucket. But we do have "planned PTO" and "unplanned PTO". You get attendance points for unplanned PTO, but not for planned PTO. Planned is technically requesting it more than 24 hours in advance, but I've never really cared as long as it was the day before.

Interesting. So if you’re actually sick and use unplanned PTO, then you get attendance points?
Yes. Basically it's meant to discourage people from calling in sick when they're really not (which is what my person is doing). You get 1/2 a point whenever you take unplanned PTO. But you max out at 1 point per illness if you have a note from a doctor confirming you were actually sick, so you can be out for 5 days and get 1 point instead of 2.5.

I think this is a great sounding system.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 10, 2023, 03:43:01 AM
Separate leave for me too.  Similar to Marc though, sick leave does roll over but doesn't get paid out.  A small reward though is I get paid for 3 sick days once a year every anniversary date if I don't use any through the year.

Annual leave is paid out and also we accumulate long service leave that can be used after 7 years plus for me I get on call leave.  Means when I'm on call for my venues 24 hours a day for alarm calls, after hours access etc. (which is literally 365 days a year) I accumulate leave.  If I'm on call for a public holiday, I get a full day leave which accumulates to my total too.
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Post by: Lonk on January 10, 2023, 08:49:46 AM
PTO is the same as sick days where I work, but I don't stress days off and whatnot.  My boss is really good about stuff. I had to leave three weeks ago for a few hours to visit the hospital when my aunt was on the verge of passing and then had to the same last Tuesday for my uncle days later.  In both cases, I was out of the office for 3-4 hours in the middle of the work day and he never said anything about me having to take any PTO or anything.  He is really good about that kind of stuff, but to throw out a humble brag :P, I am sure he knows I am not someone who would take advantage of it.

My old boss was like that was well. I remember when my first month in the job, I went up to her because I needed to leave work an hour early and her response was "You don't need to tell me when you're leaving early. I trust that you'll make up the time". Ever since, whenever I was leaving early I would only mention it if it was over an hour early, anything less than that I would just leave, and come in earlier the following day (which I usually got to work 30 mins early anyways).

I've been at my current job for a little over a year now and I still don't feel comfortable to leave even 10 mins early unless I have to.
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Post by: lordxizor on January 10, 2023, 09:11:59 AM
PTO is the same as sick days where I work, but I don't stress days off and whatnot.  My boss is really good about stuff. I had to leave three weeks ago for a few hours to visit the hospital when my aunt was on the verge of passing and then had to the same last Tuesday for my uncle days later.  In both cases, I was out of the office for 3-4 hours in the middle of the work day and he never said anything about me having to take any PTO or anything.  He is really good about that kind of stuff, but to throw out a humble brag :P, I am sure he knows I am not someone who would take advantage of it.
This is pretty much how it works for salaried people at my company. If you're taking off les than half a day, you can just make it up some other time, but no one really keeps track as long as the work is getting done. The hourly people don't have as much freedom unfortunately.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lordxizor on January 10, 2023, 09:14:33 AM
I went back and added up this woman's attendance points and she is technically 1 unplanned absence away from needing to be fired. Now, I'm not going to do that because I haven't given her the formal written warning I was supposed to give her 2 points ago. But I guess I should do that now.

I am also completely ignoring any points that technically need to be assigned if she punches in late or out early, which I frankly don't give a crap about if she's putting in 40 hours total. But I'm sure if I figured those out she'd be over the limit.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Evermind on January 10, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Is the sick time a separate bucket from PTO?
No. Our PTO is all in one bucket. But we do have "planned PTO" and "unplanned PTO". You get attendance points for unplanned PTO, but not for planned PTO. Planned is technically requesting it more than 24 hours in advance, but I've never really cared as long as it was the day before.

Interesting. So if you’re actually sick and use unplanned PTO, then you get attendance points?
Yes. Basically it's meant to discourage people from calling in sick when they're really not (which is what my person is doing). You get 1/2 a point whenever you take unplanned PTO. But you max out at 1 point per illness if you have a note from a doctor confirming you were actually sick, so you can be out for 5 days and get 1 point instead of 2.5.

I think this is a great sounding system.

Not talking about the person in question (who is faking being sick apparently), and also not attacking anybody in particular here, especially not you, lordxizor, and not you, Kade:

I'm not from US or Australia and I guess work culture is different there (sick leave is paid here, not 100% but paid, and you always have to get an official doctor's note), but I think the system above is frankly bullshit. I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all. I get it, it's frustrating for the workplace/manager as they now have to find someone to cover the absent person's spot, I've been there for the last year especially, but sickness (confirmed by a doctor) is a perfectly valid reason not to show up. Giving out any absence points for that is punishing people for getting sick.

I only took sick leave 3 times in 10 years: appendicitis in 2015, Covid in 2020 and 39°+ fever a month later, so no personal interest here either way. Just thought I'd post my thoughts.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lordxizor on January 10, 2023, 09:43:23 AM
I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2023, 09:49:16 AM
I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Yeah, the whole doctor's note thing is stupid IMO.  I also feel it's completely unnecessary to burden the healthcare systems just for a note in some cases.
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Post by: Lonk on January 10, 2023, 10:08:36 AM
Not sure how it is in other places, but in NYC you only need to provide a Dr.'s note if you are out for more than 3 days.
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Post by: lordxizor on January 10, 2023, 11:05:08 AM
I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Yeah, the whole doctor's note thing is stupid IMO.  I also feel it's completely unnecessary to burden the healthcare systems just for a note in some cases.
I think it's dumb too. We have PTO to be able to use whenever and however we want. I don't care if you have Covid, are puking violently, are tired, want to go to the beach because it's a beautiful day, or just feel like binge watching Netflix all day. Call and tell me you won't be in and you use your PTO day. Now, I don't work in a position where one person being out greatly impacts production like it can do in some positions. It's a minor inconvenience at worst for us.
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Post by: King Postwhore on January 10, 2023, 11:24:13 AM
Let me play devil's advocate here.  If someone constantly calls out it's not fair for those showing up every day.  I know damn well that employees talk about others and then point to favoritism or it's unfair I have to be here all the time.  That's why, doctor's note protect that employee.  It's proof.  Most who need a mental day off are not willing to sit in a doctors office to get a note.
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Post by: Evermind on January 10, 2023, 11:49:08 AM
I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Wait, "doctor's note" is actually just a handwritten note? :lol We have an official document with diagnosis that goes into database (and you get paid based on it), otherwise you can't get sick leave at all.
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Post by: wolfking on January 10, 2023, 11:59:30 AM
I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Same here.  Doctors will write notes for anyone and anything to get them in and out.  I see it often with my employees.

I can definitely see where Ruslan is coming from though.
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Post by: lordxizor on January 10, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
Let me play devil's advocate here.  If someone constantly calls out it's not fair for those showing up every day.  I know damn well that employees talk about others and then point to favoritism or it's unfair I have to be here all the time.  That's why, doctor's note protect that employee.  It's proof.  Most who need a mental day off are not willing to sit in a doctors office to get a note.
Yeah, but everyone gets the same amount of PTO (based on longevity), and it's up to each person how they choose to use it. I agree that it's not cool to consistently call in sick, especially when you know you're going to do it and could have given advance notice. It's only favoritism if I deny PTO for some people but not others or apply the attendance policy to some but not others. In my case, my other folks are annoyed with this woman because they know I'm going to have to start keeping track of attendance points for everyone because she's taking advantage of the situation.


I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Wait, "doctor's note" is actually just a handwritten note? :lol We have an official document with diagnosis that goes into database (and you get paid based on it), otherwise you can't get sick leave at all.
It's not handwritten, but it's just typed out by the doctor in the clinic on the clinic letterhead.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Grappler on January 10, 2023, 12:07:43 PM
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Client:  ............

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Client.......

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Client......

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 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Evermind on January 10, 2023, 12:24:01 PM
I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Same here.  Doctors will write notes for anyone and anything to get them in and out.  I see it often with my employees.

I can definitely see where Ruslan is coming from though.

Yeah, the fact it's easy to get a doctor's note if you're not even sick is also bullshit then, but that's the problem with the system in that case. Because imagine, if I'm usually always there, but one day I'm hallucinating with fever and can't even properly stand up (which happened last time I took sick leave) and after that, what a joy, I get only 1 measly absence point instead of the potential 2.5 point package... well I would still be pissed off.

Or better yet, we have women - mothers with young kids - on our team. It's flu season, kids are getting sick left and right in kindergartens/schools. We had one girl take 5 weeks of official sick leave during November/December because her kid was sick a few times, he would get better and then get sick again. It sure sucked but what's the alternative, fire her? Screw women with kids and elderly, let's hire young healthy men only? Where does that road lead? (probably to P/R  :lol )

I guess I'm a bit passionate about this.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lordxizor on January 10, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Same here.  Doctors will write notes for anyone and anything to get them in and out.  I see it often with my employees.

I can definitely see where Ruslan is coming from though.

Yeah, the fact it's easy to get a doctor's note if you're not even sick is also bullshit then, but that's the problem with the system in that case. Because imagine, if I'm usually always there, but one day I'm hallucinating with fever and can't even properly stand up (which happened last time I took sick leave) and after that, what a joy, I get only 1 measly absence point instead of the potential 2.5 point package... well I would still be pissed off.

Or better yet, we have women - mothers with young kids - on our team. It's flu season, kids are getting sick left and right in kindergartens/schools. We had one girl take 5 weeks of official sick leave during November/December because her kid was sick a few times, he would get better and then get sick again. It sure sucked but what's the alternative, fire her? Screw women with kids and elderly, let's hire young healthy men only? Where does that road lead? (probably to P/R  :lol )

I guess I'm a bit passionate about this.
In theory, I am in complete agreement with you. We should not punish people for being sick and staying away from work to protect their coworkers from getting sick, or taking care of their bodies so they can come back to work later, or taking care of their sick kids.

On the note thing, this woman's "illnesses" (which are sometimes legit, but just not always) are things like back pain and migraines. These cannot really be tested for or diagnosed by a doctor. She just tells them she was out for three days with a debilitating migraine, which is now just fine, but she needs a note to satisfy some dumb policy. Doctor just writes the note so they can more on to the next patient. I'm not sure of a way to fix that system.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 10, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Same here.  Doctors will write notes for anyone and anything to get them in and out.  I see it often with my employees.

I can definitely see where Ruslan is coming from though.

Yeah, the fact it's easy to get a doctor's note if you're not even sick is also bullshit then, but that's the problem with the system in that case. Because imagine, if I'm usually always there, but one day I'm hallucinating with fever and can't even properly stand up (which happened last time I took sick leave) and after that, what a joy, I get only 1 measly absence point instead of the potential 2.5 point package... well I would still be pissed off.

Or better yet, we have women - mothers with young kids - on our team. It's flu season, kids are getting sick left and right in kindergartens/schools. We had one girl take 5 weeks of official sick leave during November/December because her kid was sick a few times, he would get better and then get sick again. It sure sucked but what's the alternative, fire her? Screw women with kids and elderly, let's hire young healthy men only? Where does that road lead? (probably to P/R  :lol )

I guess I'm a bit passionate about this.

No, I do agree with you.  It's a system error.  It's the assholes definitely ruining for people who are actually sick.  Just seems the way of society these days.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2023, 01:08:59 PM
No, I do agree with you.  It's a system error.  It's the assholes definitely ruining for people who are actually sick.  Just seems the way of society these days.

That goes back to what King was saying.  THere's always the one person abusing the system that in turn makes the rest of the team suffer.  But I don't think you should adjust the system for these situations.  I would say, theoretically, it's best to get rid of the bad apple, but we all know it's never that simple. 

I'm just glad I work for a company that does seem to value their workers and respects their PTO (even encourages the full usage of it).  I've been at jobs in the past where you felt like you couldn't take a sick day at all, and if you did, you got hit hard with it (either no pay or disrespect from others). 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on January 10, 2023, 02:48:11 PM
Let me play devil's advocate here.  If someone constantly calls out it's not fair for those showing up every day.  I know damn well that employees talk about others and then point to favoritism or it's unfair I have to be here all the time.  That's why, doctor's note protect that employee.  It's proof.  Most who need a mental day off are not willing to sit in a doctors office to get a note.
Yeah, but everyone gets the same amount of PTO (based on longevity), and it's up to each person how they choose to use it. I agree that it's not cool to consistently call in sick, especially when you know you're going to do it and could have given advance notice. It's only favoritism if I deny PTO for some people but not others or apply the attendance policy to some but not others. In my case, my other folks are annoyed with this woman because they know I'm going to have to start keeping track of attendance points for everyone because she's taking advantage of the situation.


I think if you get a doctor's note, you shouldn't receive any points at all.
I tend to agree, however, it's not difficult to get a doctor's note in the US. The woman in question went to a drop in clinic and got a note clearing her for return to work. It offered no detail that she actually was sick. I suppose I could push back on that (maybe? I'd have to check with HR), but I'm not going to.

Wait, "doctor's note" is actually just a handwritten note? :lol We have an official document with diagnosis that goes into database (and you get paid based on it), otherwise you can't get sick leave at all.
It's not handwritten, but it's just typed out by the doctor in the clinic on the clinic letterhead.

Not everyone gets the sane about of pto where I work. They accrue at different levels. The longer you work there, the better %.

I look at it as you took the time to go to the doctor,  you're sick.  Who spends a day off wasting time to get an excuse. Plus, most are too lazy to do so. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on January 24, 2023, 11:11:41 AM
I'm in a weird spot.

My current Mon-Fri is a shit show and has been for a while. There was some reorganizing in the department last year, and the changes made have since lead to some turmoil within. The issues bubbling up have made me dread coming into work more than usual.

It should also be noted that since November 2018, I've had a weekend job for a family-run grocery store that I worked for in high school from Sept 2005 to Dec 2013. That company has 4 locations, one of which is in a very affluent town in CT called Salisbury. That location has an opening for a Deli/Kitchen/Bakery manager that'd be responsible for 30 employees or so. I worked that location a decade ago and it's my favorite of the 4 stores by far. I reached out to the owner of the company as well as the store director (A guy I worked alongside 15 years ago at one of the other locations). While not a done deal, it is very likely I can make that position mine if I want to.

There are some downsides though. I'd have to go into work 5 days a week now instead of 3 (hybrid schedule), and it's another 25 miles a day as well. My weekly mileage is going to go from 210 to 450, which really blows. The pay is also $10K-$13K less than I'm making now with only a 4% 401K match contribution (currently 6%). I'd lose 8 days of PTO as well. However, I actually like that kind of work, and I think it'd do my mental health wonders to get out of the corporate structure. My fiance makes more than I do currently and we're doing fine, so I'm not overly worried about the financial side of things.

The timing of this opening is borderline perfect given my feelings about my current gig. I've got some thinking to do.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2023, 12:07:30 PM
Money can't buy happiness and the stars may have just aligned.  Got to go where the heart is.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2023, 03:17:14 PM
While I agree with cramx3, I would think long and hard about taking a job that is going to add that much more transit time to your daily routine. Maybe I am spoiled because I have never lived more than 15 minutes from where I worked, but I cannot imagine spending 60-90 minutes a day driving to and from work.  The stress you save in leaving your current job could be replaced by the aggravation of the free time you will lose thanks to extra driving.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 24, 2023, 03:21:30 PM
Not to mention doing that 5 times a week instead of 3.  Perhaps it's fallen in your lap at the right time, but sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Although dreading going to work isn't good.  I'm actually experiencing that a little more than normal and it's not healthy at all.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on January 24, 2023, 03:25:15 PM
I already drive a minimum of 50 minutes each way, so the additional time (ablut 10 minutes each way) is negligible. The two extra days is what really sucks, but I've come to terms with that not being the norm and I should be happy that I got to do that for as long as I did.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2023, 03:26:45 PM
I think my opinion might be different if Chino didn't mention his fiance having a solid job.

For me personally, I don't think I could take the drop in income AND an increase in commute expenses based on my solo income. 

But you can't measure happiness easily.  I'm not in Chino's shoes, but I've read many posts about not enjoying the job.  At some point, somethings got to change.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Skeever on January 24, 2023, 05:40:40 PM
My gripe is a weird one and sounds like a first world problem but here goes.

I am bored.

Out of my mind bored.


My boss doesn't like hard to please employees, so I just hang in there, moving work tabs around on my comp while listening to music. Sometimes it does get busier and that's fun.

My boss is also retiring after bonuses drop in June, so it's limbo until then.

I've got not idea what to do. Or where to look. Or how to solve this dilemma.

I'm bored out of my freakin mind.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on January 24, 2023, 06:26:17 PM
Not to mention doing that 5 times a week instead of 3.  Perhaps it's fallen in your lap at the right time, but sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Although dreading going to work isn't good.  I'm actually experiencing that a little more than normal and it's not healthy at all.

Shit man... for you, "more than normal" must be hell on Earth.  #funnynotfunny
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 24, 2023, 07:16:36 PM
Not to mention doing that 5 times a week instead of 3.  Perhaps it's fallen in your lap at the right time, but sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Although dreading going to work isn't good.  I'm actually experiencing that a little more than normal and it's not healthy at all.

Shit man... for you, "more than normal" must be hell on Earth.  #funnynotfunny

Lol, kinda funny I guess.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on January 25, 2023, 11:26:28 AM
I'm in a weird spot.

My current Mon-Fri is a shit show and has been for a while. There was some reorganizing in the department last year, and the changes made have since lead to some turmoil within. The issues bubbling up have made me dread coming into work more than usual.

It should also be noted that since November 2018, I've had a weekend job for a family-run grocery store that I worked for in high school from Sept 2005 to Dec 2013. That company has 4 locations, one of which is in a very affluent town in CT called Salisbury. That location has an opening for a Deli/Kitchen/Bakery manager that'd be responsible for 30 employees or so. I worked that location a decade ago and it's my favorite of the 4 stores by far. I reached out to the owner of the company as well as the store director (A guy I worked alongside 15 years ago at one of the other locations). While not a done deal, it is very likely I can make that position mine if I want to.

There are some downsides though. I'd have to go into work 5 days a week now instead of 3 (hybrid schedule), and it's another 25 miles a day as well. My weekly mileage is going to go from 210 to 450, which really blows. The pay is also $10K-$13K less than I'm making now with only a 4% 401K match contribution (currently 6%). I'd lose 8 days of PTO as well. However, I actually like that kind of work, and I think it'd do my mental health wonders to get out of the corporate structure. My fiance makes more than I do currently and we're doing fine, so I'm not overly worried about the financial side of things.

The timing of this opening is borderline perfect given my feelings about my current gig. I've got some thinking to do.


I already drive a minimum of 50 minutes each way, so the additional time (ablut 10 minutes each way) is negligible. The two extra days is what really sucks, but I've come to terms with that not being the norm and I should be happy that I got to do that for as long as I did.


Chino, if you don't mind me asking... What is it that you do now? Do you have experience managing people, product flow? Retail part time can be kind of fun, but Retail full time is a whole 'nuther animal.


Also, regarding the ride, 50 min one way is a hike, but when you factor in the 3 days of your regular job, and the two weekend trips to the market, you're actually driving to work 5 days a week now, right?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on January 25, 2023, 11:43:34 AM
I'm a Business Analyst for an insurer with a focus on our internal modelling of catastrophic events and how it impacts our view of risk. 

I've never managed people, no. But I've built dozens of workflows over the years for pretty complex systems. I've worked with coaches to learn entirely new methodologies (waterfall to agile), developed new cadences with leadership, and then knowledge transferred that to a department of 50. I've been an acting scrum master for the last 18 months, and have lead our audit compliance management for the last 7 years. So I'm not a stranger to managing things.

I've worked retail full time before. It can definitely suck if you're forward facing with the customers all day, but this position wouldn't be much of that. While this is retail, it's not big box retail. This is a family run business and a relative small operation, but they service a higher end clientele. The 4 locations did $52M last year. The location I'd be managing is in a friendly old money town, where everyone knows everyone's name and where the celebs from NY come to hide.

I only work Sundays at the market now. There was a period of time when I was doing both weekend days, but that was some years ago. As of now my driving schedule is:

Monday: WFH
Tuesday: 74 miles
Wednesday: 74 miles
Thursday: 74 miles
Friday: WFH
Saturday: Day Off
Sunday: 24 miles.

So I'm working 6 days and driving 4 of them. I maybe failed to convey it in my original email, but taking this job would also give me an additional day off each week, which makes the pay cut easier to swallow. I haven't had a 5 day work week in 4.5 years now.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on January 25, 2023, 11:51:18 AM
OK, sounds like you have a good base as far as relating to people. Plus, you're not a kid, and based on your posts here, they are usually common sensical (sorry Stads!)

Good luck! Managing people can be a great daily gift, but it can also suck too. :lol

You're not a stranger to the environment so that's a huge plus.


I've spent my entire adult life working for a major chain grocery store, so I find this sort of thing interesting.

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on January 25, 2023, 01:07:29 PM
From my experience, not sure I I would go from a job where I'm not managing people to a job with less money managing 30.  As Tim said, it's had its rewards but it's a damn nightmare too at times.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Podaar on January 27, 2023, 06:21:35 AM
A deli at an affluent grocer could be a lot of fun. Hope it works out for you, Chino.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 02, 2023, 08:59:07 PM
When I need management to handle something, they blow me off or tell me to figure it out myself.

But when I don't want them involved, then they love to jump right in and screw it up 10x worse then the original problem was.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2023, 11:14:51 AM
As part of our continued migrations to our new work overlord's systems, they moved all our email (basically so now all my email uses the new company address and the old one has been deactivated) and by doing this, I lost all my outlook email rules for my mailbox and opened to see 30k unread emails  :lol Spent the entire morning working on that
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lethean on February 07, 2023, 11:46:02 AM
30k?  Are these emails that you truly haven't read or did it show some old ones as unread in error?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 07, 2023, 12:22:06 PM
Me:  Mr. Client, your workers compensation insurer has not received your response to the annual policy audit.  Please be sure to send your quarterly payroll reports to them by X date so they can complete the audit.

Client:  ............

Me 30 days later:  Mr. Client, the insurer still has not received them.  They will issue a non-compliant audit and double your annual premium if you do not response by Y date.

Client.......

Me:  Mr. Client, enclosed is your non-productive audit, generating an additional premium of $3,000.00.

Client......

Client:  OMG YOU HAVE TO HELP ME, I RECEIVED A BILL FOR $3,000.00 AND WE HAVE TO GET THIS FIXED IMMEDIATELY! 

 :facepalm:
Just catching up. 

I work for such an insurer.  We perform audits on our Workers Comp and General Liability customers, and I can assure you that the scenario you outline here happens ALL THE TIME.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Grappler on February 07, 2023, 12:27:43 PM
Me:  Mr. Client, your workers compensation insurer has not received your response to the annual policy audit.  Please be sure to send your quarterly payroll reports to them by X date so they can complete the audit.

Client:  ............

Me 30 days later:  Mr. Client, the insurer still has not received them.  They will issue a non-compliant audit and double your annual premium if you do not response by Y date.

Client.......

Me:  Mr. Client, enclosed is your non-productive audit, generating an additional premium of $3,000.00.

Client......

Client:  OMG YOU HAVE TO HELP ME, I RECEIVED A BILL FOR $3,000.00 AND WE HAVE TO GET THIS FIXED IMMEDIATELY! 

 :facepalm:
Just catching up. 

I work for such an insurer.  We perform audits on our Workers Comp and General Liability customers, and I can assure you that the scenario you outline here happens ALL THE TIME.

Haha, I know - I've been an agent for 20 years.  It drives me crazy to be doing my job and reminding clients of their responsibilities, finally having to drop everything and fix things on the back end.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2023, 12:38:47 PM
30k?  Are these emails that you truly haven't read or did it show some old ones as unread in error?

All from the last couple days while my mailbox was being moved over.  It's like 29,500 automated alert emails that I am subject to from work that aren't humanely possible to look at one by one, it's stupid.  So I had to do a lot of maneuvering to find the ~500 emails that may be useful and clear the junk.  I think I did it (I'll probably need to add more rules as certain emails show up over time still), but it took me my entire morning.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on February 07, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
As part of our continued migrations to our new work overlord's systems, they moved all our email (basically so now all my email uses the new company address and the old one has been deactivated) and by doing this, I lost all my outlook email rules for my mailbox and opened to see 30k unread emails  :lol Spent the entire morning working on that

Ooof!

Even with 30 or so rules in place, I still have 1800 unread messages in my inbox  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
I actually really needed to redo my rules.  Things just change over time and I had gotten lazy to keep up, but man, I didn't want to do it like that  :lol

Also doesn't help that using Outlook on my 2015 work macbook to migrate thousands of emails slows down just about everything else I'm trying to do.  At least it was a quiet morning for work.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lethean on February 07, 2023, 01:24:00 PM
I don't envy either of you getting that many emails. Sounds like a really fun morning...

Speaking of fun mornings, my team decided to have a team call at 8 every Monday morning.  About essential work related things needed to do our jobs?  No, just a "fun" way to connect and talk about our personal lives.  I imagine a lot of people are going to be pretty quiet at 8 am; this just seems like a really bad idea.  Not to mention that my personal life is really none of their business...
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2023, 01:40:18 PM
That's absolutely miserable.  Way too early on Monday to talk about stuff that isn't important.  I'd do everything in my power to find an excuse not to attend. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lethean on February 07, 2023, 01:45:47 PM
I'm going to see how it goes - I hope the silence on the call is hint enough.  And if everyone else is cheery and chipper and fine with it, I can do some dishes or something.  Or more likely, sit quietly and browse DTF while trying to wake up. :)
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 07, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
Speaking of fun mornings, my team decided to have a team call at 8 every Monday morning.  About essential work related things needed to do our jobs?  No, just a "fun" way to connect and talk about our personal lives.  I imagine a lot of people are going to be pretty quiet at 8 am; this just seems like a really bad idea.  Not to mention that my personal life is really none of their business...
We do something similar to this.  We call it a Team Connect.  It's a call on MS Teams with our team (about 30 people, give or take), and it's strictly non-work-related, and about 15-20 minutes in length.  We started it when we all had to stop coming into the office with the pandemic, to keep a sense of connection, and we still do it.

But we don't do it at 8am on a Monday.  Ours is at 10 am on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lethean on February 07, 2023, 01:53:44 PM
Speaking of fun mornings, my team decided to have a team call at 8 every Monday morning.  About essential work related things needed to do our jobs?  No, just a "fun" way to connect and talk about our personal lives.  I imagine a lot of people are going to be pretty quiet at 8 am; this just seems like a really bad idea.  Not to mention that my personal life is really none of their business...
We do something similar to this.  We call it a Team Connect.  It's a call on MS Teams with our team (about 30 people, give or take), and it's strictly non-work-related, and about 15-20 minutes in length.  We started it when we all had to stop coming into the office with the pandemic, to keep a sense of connection, and we still do it.

But we don't do it at 8am on a Monday.  Ours is at 10 am on Wednesdays.
I'm opposed to it in general, but I'd think a little more favorably about it if it was 10am on Wednesday. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 07, 2023, 02:02:47 PM
Speaking of fun mornings, my team decided to have a team call at 8 every Monday morning.  About essential work related things needed to do our jobs?  No, just a "fun" way to connect and talk about our personal lives.  I imagine a lot of people are going to be pretty quiet at 8 am; this just seems like a really bad idea.  Not to mention that my personal life is really none of their business...
We do something similar to this.  We call it a Team Connect.  It's a call on MS Teams with our team (about 30 people, give or take), and it's strictly non-work-related, and about 15-20 minutes in length.  We started it when we all had to stop coming into the office with the pandemic, to keep a sense of connection, and we still do it.

But we don't do it at 8am on a Monday.  Ours is at 10 am on Wednesdays.
I'm opposed to it in general, but I'd think a little more favorably about it if it was 10am on Wednesday.
I get it.  :)

If ours was on Mondays at 8am I would feel like opening a vein.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on February 07, 2023, 03:12:41 PM
As part of our continued migrations to our new work overlord's systems, they moved all our email (basically so now all my email uses the new company address and the old one has been deactivated) and by doing this, I lost all my outlook email rules for my mailbox and opened to see 30k unread emails  :lol Spent the entire morning working on that

I'd just mass delete them all.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on February 08, 2023, 06:42:57 AM
As part of our continued migrations to our new work overlord's systems, they moved all our email (basically so now all my email uses the new company address and the old one has been deactivated) and by doing this, I lost all my outlook email rules for my mailbox and opened to see 30k unread emails  :lol Spent the entire morning working on that

I'd just mass delete them all.

Before realizing what post you were responding to, I thought it was to Lethean, and you were suggesting mass deleting the team. :lol 

Which totally tracks with you.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2023, 06:46:42 AM
Speaking of fun mornings, my team decided to have a team call at 8 every Monday morning.  About essential work related things needed to do our jobs?  No, just a "fun" way to connect and talk about our personal lives.  I imagine a lot of people are going to be pretty quiet at 8 am; this just seems like a really bad idea.  Not to mention that my personal life is really none of their business...

That's brutal.
I mean most work meetings are unproductive, I can't imagine how useless a non work meeting would be.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 08, 2023, 07:09:49 AM
Speaking of fun mornings, my team decided to have a team call at 8 every Monday morning.  About essential work related things needed to do our jobs?  No, just a "fun" way to connect and talk about our personal lives.  I imagine a lot of people are going to be pretty quiet at 8 am; this just seems like a really bad idea.  Not to mention that my personal life is really none of their business...

That's brutal.
I mean most work meetings are unproductive, I can't imagine how useless a non work meeting would be.
Can't speak for Lethean, but ours are fun.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2023, 07:33:22 AM
As part of our continued migrations to our new work overlord's systems, they moved all our email (basically so now all my email uses the new company address and the old one has been deactivated) and by doing this, I lost all my outlook email rules for my mailbox and opened to see 30k unread emails  :lol Spent the entire morning working on that

I'd just mass delete them all.

There were quite a few important emails in there so that would have been a bad idea. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lethean on February 08, 2023, 07:46:40 AM
Speaking of fun mornings, my team decided to have a team call at 8 every Monday morning.  About essential work related things needed to do our jobs?  No, just a "fun" way to connect and talk about our personal lives.  I imagine a lot of people are going to be pretty quiet at 8 am; this just seems like a really bad idea.  Not to mention that my personal life is really none of their business...

That's brutal.
I mean most work meetings are unproductive, I can't imagine how useless a non work meeting would be.
Can't speak for Lethean, but ours are fun.
I'm with TAC in that it's useless.  Just let me do my work.

As part of our continued migrations to our new work overlord's systems, they moved all our email (basically so now all my email uses the new company address and the old one has been deactivated) and by doing this, I lost all my outlook email rules for my mailbox and opened to see 30k unread emails  :lol Spent the entire morning working on that

I'd just mass delete them all.

Before realizing what post you were responding to, I thought it was to Lethean, and you were suggesting mass deleting the team. :lol 

Which totally tracks with you.  :biggrin:
That would be a very dangerous power for me to have.   :angel:
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2023, 10:06:00 PM
As part of our continued migrations to our new work overlord's systems, they moved all our email (basically so now all my email uses the new company address and the old one has been deactivated) and by doing this, I lost all my outlook email rules for my mailbox and opened to see 30k unread emails  :lol Spent the entire morning working on that

I'd just mass delete them all.

Before realizing what post you were responding to, I thought it was to Lethean, and you were suggesting mass deleting the team. :lol 

Which totally tracks with you.  :biggrin:

I'm confused at what the problem is here.  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2023, 10:06:59 PM
Speaking of fun mornings, my team decided to have a team call at 8 every Monday morning.  About essential work related things needed to do our jobs?  No, just a "fun" way to connect and talk about our personal lives.  I imagine a lot of people are going to be pretty quiet at 8 am; this just seems like a really bad idea.  Not to mention that my personal life is really none of their business...

That's brutal.
I mean most work meetings are unproductive, I can't imagine how useless a non work meeting would be.

Yeah I agree, fuck that.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2023, 10:07:42 PM
As part of our continued migrations to our new work overlord's systems, they moved all our email (basically so now all my email uses the new company address and the old one has been deactivated) and by doing this, I lost all my outlook email rules for my mailbox and opened to see 30k unread emails  :lol Spent the entire morning working on that

I'd just mass delete them all.

There were quite a few important emails in there so that would have been a bad idea.

I was kinda joking but not joking.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on February 09, 2023, 07:53:36 AM
It would drive me crazy to see so many unread emails, heck it bothers me that I currently have 10 unread emails  :lol I'm usually pretty good at clearing my inbox, but I get that with automated emails you can get a few hundred emails a day. I think on average I get anywhere from 30-40 emails a day.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Chino on February 09, 2023, 09:20:42 AM
It would drive me crazy to see so many unread emails, heck it bothers me that I currently have 10 unread emails  :lol I'm usually pretty good at clearing my inbox, but I get that with automated emails you can get a few hundred emails a day. I think on average I get anywhere from 30-40 emails a day.

I'm the complete opposite. If I had an inbox with just a handful of unread emails, I'd be feeling the pressure of them all day. There would be this constant reminder that I have shit to do (the humanity!). By having thousands of unread emails, even if I come into 30 new ones on a Monday, it doesn't seem like all that much.

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2023, 09:26:19 AM
I don't like seeing unread emails, it triggers me a bit.  Same with my slack chats, if rooms are left unread, it bothers me for some reason and I'll clear it or read it.  I'm just not good with clutter in general, both physical and virtual.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on February 09, 2023, 09:57:45 AM
At my place, for every 6 emails sent probably 1 may be useful. And since everything is so cluttered from the junk, its hard even finding the one you need  :P
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Harmony on March 08, 2023, 05:08:17 PM
So my employer has implemented a "wellness program" via Virgin Pulse that started this month.  Essentially, if an employee chooses not to participate they pay double the amount towards their health insurance costs.  So instead of paying 5% of the cost, you'd pay 10%.  This is not a small chunk of change.

In this particular "wellness program" you earn specific points for specific activities.  You must reach a particular threshold to get the discounted rate on your insurance.  What this means is that I am forced to disclose my personal health information (or financial information) to this company and set goals to improve my health and wellness status or improve my financial status.

This is like big brother run amok.  And I am told by my union rep that there is nothing that can be done about it.  That most major companies are doing these programs in order to save on health insurance costs.

Just when you think the health care in this nation (USA!  USA!  USA!) couldn't possibly get any worse.  Now I have a major corporation tracking my sleep, my exercise, my diet, my stress, my medical information (including lab work), and using this information for god knows what.   :censored

And to top it all off, my employer just LOVES to brag about how "equitable" they are toward their employees.  Yeah, how equitable is it that people who have the financial means to pay more of their insurance costs can easily disregard this nonsense but a single parent with 4 kids who can barely make ends meet is forced to participate even if they don't want to because they simply don't have the money to pay more.  Holy shit balls this fucking sucks ass.  >:(

Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 08, 2023, 05:30:43 PM
So my employer has implemented a "wellness program" via Virgin Pulse that started this month.  Essentially, if an employee chooses not to participate they pay double the amount towards their health insurance costs.  So instead of paying 5% of the cost, you'd pay 10%.  This is not a small chunk of change.

In this particular "wellness program" you earn specific points for specific activities.  You must reach a particular threshold to get the discounted rate on your insurance.  What this means is that I am forced to disclose my personal health information (or financial information) to this company and set goals to improve my health and wellness status or improve my financial status.

This is like big brother run amok.  And I am told by my union rep that there is nothing that can be done about it.  That most major companies are doing these programs in order to save on health insurance costs.

Just when you think the health care in this nation (USA!  USA!  USA!) couldn't possibly get any worse.  Now I have a major corporation tracking my sleep, my exercise, my diet, my stress, my medical information (including lab work), and using this information for god knows what.   :censored

And to top it all off, my employer just LOVES to brag about how "equitable" they are toward their employees.  Yeah, how equitable is it that people who have the financial means to pay more of their insurance costs can easily disregard this nonsense but a single parent with 4 kids who can barely make ends meet is forced to participate even if they don't want to because they simply don't have the money to pay more.  Holy shit balls this fucking sucks ass.  >:(

Pretty sure someone else mentioned this in their company a few weeks back?  Yeah, I don't like it at all by the sounds of it.   I'd be inclined to fork out the extra not to take part.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 08, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
So my employer has implemented a "wellness program" via Virgin Pulse that started this month.  Essentially, if an employee chooses not to participate they pay double the amount towards their health insurance costs.  So instead of paying 5% of the cost, you'd pay 10%.  This is not a small chunk of change.

In this particular "wellness program" you earn specific points for specific activities.  You must reach a particular threshold to get the discounted rate on your insurance.  What this means is that I am forced to disclose my personal health information (or financial information) to this company and set goals to improve my health and wellness status or improve my financial status.

This is like big brother run amok.  And I am told by my union rep that there is nothing that can be done about it.  That most major companies are doing these programs in order to save on health insurance costs.

Just when you think the health care in this nation (USA!  USA!  USA!) couldn't possibly get any worse.  Now I have a major corporation tracking my sleep, my exercise, my diet, my stress, my medical information (including lab work), and using this information for god knows what.   :censored

And to top it all off, my employer just LOVES to brag about how "equitable" they are toward their employees.  Yeah, how equitable is it that people who have the financial means to pay more of their insurance costs can easily disregard this nonsense but a single parent with 4 kids who can barely make ends meet is forced to participate even if they don't want to because they simply don't have the money to pay more.  Holy shit balls this fucking sucks ass.  >:(

Surely this is a violation of HIPAA somehow?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 08, 2023, 05:41:57 PM
So my employer has implemented a "wellness program" via Virgin Pulse that started this month.  Essentially, if an employee chooses not to participate they pay double the amount towards their health insurance costs.  So instead of paying 5% of the cost, you'd pay 10%.  This is not a small chunk of change.

In this particular "wellness program" you earn specific points for specific activities.  You must reach a particular threshold to get the discounted rate on your insurance.  What this means is that I am forced to disclose my personal health information (or financial information) to this company and set goals to improve my health and wellness status or improve my financial status.

This is like big brother run amok.  And I am told by my union rep that there is nothing that can be done about it.  That most major companies are doing these programs in order to save on health insurance costs.

Just when you think the health care in this nation (USA!  USA!  USA!) couldn't possibly get any worse.  Now I have a major corporation tracking my sleep, my exercise, my diet, my stress, my medical information (including lab work), and using this information for god knows what.   :censored

And to top it all off, my employer just LOVES to brag about how "equitable" they are toward their employees.  Yeah, how equitable is it that people who have the financial means to pay more of their insurance costs can easily disregard this nonsense but a single parent with 4 kids who can barely make ends meet is forced to participate even if they don't want to because they simply don't have the money to pay more.  Holy shit balls this fucking sucks ass.  >:(

Surely this is a violation of HIPAA somehow?

What is this mate?  Sorry.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: axeman90210 on March 08, 2023, 06:41:22 PM
Wow, that sucks harmony. At my last job we had to either confirm or deny if we were smokers when re-upping healthbenefits each year, as it impacted our contribution towards insurance, but nothing that granular.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Harmony on March 08, 2023, 07:27:31 PM

Surely this is a violation of HIPAA somehow?

Nope - because when employees opt in, they agree to the terms and conditions which includes permission to provide medical information.  That is what is so sinister about this.  Give up your medical privacy rights or pay more.  A lot more.

Wolfking - HIPAA is - in a nutshell - the federal laws that protect a person's medical information.  Healthcare providers are limited by law to share a patient's private health information without consent.  There are loopholes and limitations to this, but in general it is illegal to disclose protected information.

Thanks axeman - I predict for larger companies, this is the wave of the future. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on March 08, 2023, 09:38:55 PM
Disclosing the smoking status seems pretty standard from my experience (not that I like it).

For Harmony's situation, I have yet to see/experience that myself, but I would opt out as much as that sucks.  Yeah 5% more is not a small amount of money, but fuck all that. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2023, 04:03:37 AM

Surely this is a violation of HIPAA somehow?

Nope - because when employees opt in, they agree to the terms and conditions which includes permission to provide medical information.  That is what is so sinister about this.  Give up your medical privacy rights or pay more.  A lot more.

Wolfking - HIPAA is - in a nutshell - the federal laws that protect a person's medical information.  Healthcare providers are limited by law to share a patient's private health information without consent.  There are loopholes and limitations to this, but in general it is illegal to disclose protected information.

Thanks axeman - I predict for larger companies, this is the wave of the future.

Thanks for the explanation Harmony.

So, it's not illegal but they can blackmail you by paying more if you don't sign up?  That's full on.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Podaar on March 09, 2023, 05:35:39 AM
Sounds like a class action lawsuit in the making, Harmony--both for your employer and for insurance provider. Unless, and this is a big one, unless they have hired a third party security company to strip all the personal identifiers from the information prior to it going to the insurer.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Harmony on March 09, 2023, 08:13:51 AM
Sounds like a class action lawsuit in the making, Harmony--both for your employer and for insurance provider. Unless, and this is a big one, unless they have hired a third party security company to strip all the personal identifiers from the information prior to it going to the insurer.

Yeah, you would think so.  But sadly, this is legal for my employer.  IIRC when I was looking into it, I read that these programs have been challenged in court and surprise surprise, courts sided with the employers and insurance companies.  This is a huge industry - upwards of 8 billion dollars.  Per this article from 2020, 84% of large companies already offer these programs.

https://www.consumerreports.org/health-privacy/are-workplace-wellness-programs-a-privacy-problem-a2586134220/
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2023, 08:20:09 AM
My company has used Virgin Pulse for several years.  They offer all kinds of programs and health challenges.  With our plan, anyway, we don't have to participate in any of that, but if we participate in the health biometric screening, our out-of-pocket cost for our health insurance is dramatically reduced.

It's a tool by the company.  If they are paying a substantial amount of your health insurance, they have a vested interest in your health.  Healthier workers = fewer large claims = cheaper insurance premiums.  And you can certainly opt out if you want, and just pay the higher rate.
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Post by: Lethean on March 09, 2023, 05:17:10 PM
I think the insurance company is going to have much of that information anyway.  They know by the diagnosis codes on the claims the providers submit whether you have high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, etc.  For programs like this they do get more specific numbers, but if they do anything with it beyond the scope of the program, that's where they'd get in trouble.  They should be able to take that information and place you in the appropriate tier of benefits without disclosing the details to your employer. 
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2023, 06:49:56 AM
I think the insurance company is going to have much of that information anyway.  They know by the diagnosis codes on the claims the providers submit whether you have high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, etc.  For programs like this they do get more specific numbers, but if they do anything with it beyond the scope of the program, that's where they'd get in trouble.  They should be able to take that information and place you in the appropriate tier of benefits without disclosing the details to your employer.
Yes, but the key is that Virgin Pulse is not the insurance company.  They are a third-party company that is a health facilitator for the employer.  Participation in their program (which, again, is voluntary) results in a reduced out of pocket cost to the employee for health insurance.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 10, 2023, 07:16:05 AM
They just started doing the virgin pulse thing at my job too. Its very annoying
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Post by: ReaperKK on March 10, 2023, 08:05:52 AM
We use Rally at my job. It's pretty simple, if you get a physical, biometric screen, and dental exam once a year they'll give you $800 in your HSA account.

We used to have all these other activities like walking, tracking how much ater you drink, etc. But they simplified it this year to getting those three checkups done.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2023, 02:10:38 PM
So since my company I work for was bought last year, we have basically completed all of the migrations to be apart of the new work overlords way of doing things... except for one last thing.  They use Teams and are making us stop using Slack.  So we have a few more months of Slack being active before they shut it down and the process of migrating our communication channels to Teams has started and I must say... Teams is TRASH compared to Slack. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on May 20, 2023, 07:11:29 AM
I've never been at a company that used Slack, we recently brought Teams on and while it's not great the power app integration stuff is pretty good. We actually have four different chat apps at work:

Skype 2016
Teams
Symphony
Bloomberg chat (my favorite cause I feel like a 1337 haxor using it :lol)
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Skeever on May 20, 2023, 05:51:33 PM
So my employer has implemented a "wellness program" via Virgin Pulse that started this month.  Essentially, if an employee chooses not to participate they pay double the amount towards their health insurance costs.  So instead of paying 5% of the cost, you'd pay 10%.  This is not a small chunk of change.

In this particular "wellness program" you earn specific points for specific activities.  You must reach a particular threshold to get the discounted rate on your insurance.  What this means is that I am forced to disclose my personal health information (or financial information) to this company and set goals to improve my health and wellness status or improve my financial status.

This is like big brother run amok.  And I am told by my union rep that there is nothing that can be done about it.  That most major companies are doing these programs in order to save on health insurance costs.

Just when you think the health care in this nation (USA!  USA!  USA!) couldn't possibly get any worse.  Now I have a major corporation tracking my sleep, my exercise, my diet, my stress, my medical information (including lab work), and using this information for god knows what.   :censored

And to top it all off, my employer just LOVES to brag about how "equitable" they are toward their employees.  Yeah, how equitable is it that people who have the financial means to pay more of their insurance costs can easily disregard this nonsense but a single parent with 4 kids who can barely make ends meet is forced to participate even if they don't want to because they simply don't have the money to pay more.  Holy shit balls this fucking sucks ass.  >:(

Just lie to it
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on February 27, 2024, 01:13:48 PM
Applied to 4 jobs in the past 4 days. It sucks that I only been at my current job for a little over 2 years and I'm ready to quit, but it is what it is. I report to 3 people, and 1 has ruined this place for me  :tdwn
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2024, 01:15:11 PM
Applied to 4 jobs in the past 4 days. It sucks that I only been at my current job for a little over 2 years and I'm ready to quit, but it is what it is. I report to 3 people, and 1 has ruined this place for me  :tdwn

Sucks, good luck.  I have no idea what the job market is like out there right now, seems bad in tech for me, but I should start looking myself.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on February 27, 2024, 01:22:53 PM
based on what I see, there are a good amount of tech jobs out there. Funny enough, one of the places I applied to was IBM.
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Post by: Jamesman42 on February 27, 2024, 02:44:30 PM
In.

Had a good day but didn't know this thread was a thing.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2024, 07:00:09 PM
Applied to 4 jobs in the past 4 days. It sucks that I only been at my current job for a little over 2 years and I'm ready to quit, but it is what it is. I report to 3 people, and 1 has ruined this place for me  :tdwn

Fuck em mate.  Incredible how managers can completely fuck things over.  Good luck on your hunting, something will come up.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Podaar on February 28, 2024, 05:01:31 AM
Fuck em mate. Incredible how managers can completely fuck things over.

As a business owner and manager of people, I've a different perspective. It's absolutely incredible how someone can milk a 10 minute task into a 4 hour project and blame it on management because they aren't paid enough. You say, fuck me? Well, fuck you, mate!
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on February 28, 2024, 05:03:55 AM
As a manager up until about three years ago, I'm always intrigued by conversations about...management.


Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: lordxizor on February 28, 2024, 05:19:57 AM
Like any position, managers can be really good or really bad. I've been lucky to have had mostly really good managers over my career. Now that I am one, I work really hard to make sure I give my team what they need. My number one philosophy as a manager is "don't be an asshole" I can definitely say I've been successful there
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Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2024, 05:30:17 AM
Fuck em mate. Incredible how managers can completely fuck things over.

As a business owner and manager of people, I've a different perspective. It's absolutely incredible how someone can milk a 10 minute task into a 4 hour project and blame it on management because they aren't paid enough. You say, fuck me? Well, fuck you, mate!

I'm sure your not aiming this at me specifically but I too was a manager for over 15 years so I've seen and experienced both sides of the coin.

I've had atrocious managers and I've also had employees take the piss out of me.  It all comes down to the individuals.

Also, if you have employees doing that to you, why are they working for you?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2024, 05:33:25 AM
Like any position, managers can be really good or really bad. I've been lucky to have had mostly really good managers over my career. Now that I am one, I work really hard to make sure I give my team what they need. My number one philosophy as a manager is "don't be an asshole" I can definitely say I've been successful there

The best thing I learned from a lot of my shitty managers was what not to do as a manager.  Then there is the good ones you can really learn and take positive things from.

Not being a total cunt was at the top of my lost for sure.
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Post by: Podaar on February 28, 2024, 06:00:30 AM
Also, if you have employees doing that to you, why are they working for you?

Haha, they aren't anymore.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Lonk on February 28, 2024, 06:20:44 AM
As a manager up until about three years ago, I'm always intrigued by conversations about...management.
And to clarify, while I'm sure you guys have much more experience than me, I've been in management for quite some time now. So I have my own group of people that report to me (largest group was 24 employees a couple years ago). I report to 3 VPs. I can say with certainty that the issue is not with my performance , but this particular VP.

Last year, one of the VPs I report to quit on the spot because of this person. Showed up to work and 30 minutes later walked out (Which he called me last fall to offer a job, but it would have been over $20K pay-cut  :tdwn)
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Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2024, 08:11:28 AM
Fuck em mate. Incredible how managers can completely fuck things over.

As a business owner and manager of people, I've a different perspective. It's absolutely incredible how someone can milk a 10 minute task into a 4 hour project and blame it on management because they aren't paid enough. You say, fuck me? Well, fuck you, mate!

It goes both ways though.  Management certainly can be an issue, and also, the person reporting to the manager could also be terrible. Or maybe it's both and a toxic relationship, who knows without more detail. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on February 28, 2024, 08:14:45 AM
As a manager up until about three years ago, I'm always intrigued by conversations about...management.

NOT AIMED AT WOLFIE OR LONK... I know both of them and I 100% believe the circumstances they describe.  It happens, unfortunately.   But as a general matter, I am fascinated by them too.  If I had a nickel for every "my manager sucks, I could do his job, he doesn't understand what we do, yadda yada yada" conversation I've heard, I'd be booking Dream Theater into my back yard. 

Look, like I said, it happens.  It does.  But more often than not - again MORE OFTEN THAN NOT - the people in an organization are where they need to be.  If your company makes widgets, and you are the person actually making the widget, it's easy - but false - to think that the organization needs to start and end with you.  Unfortunately, at least here in the States, the "widget making" is almost the least of the company's concerns, and that's just the reality of a regulated commercial environment.   Actually leading people - dealing with the day-to-day of everyone's foibles - is a hard job and not everyone can be accommodated in the way that they most likely feel they should be accomodated.   

I'm dealing with that now; we hired a position of leadership (25 people more or less) from a pool of internal candidates and while they don't report to me, I have a lot of interaction with them and had some say in who got the job.  I opted for a very good "functional person" but excellent leader over a slightly superior functional candidate but FAR inferior leadership candidate.  My boss, and several others, agreed.  And the person passed over is acting exactly how I hoped he wouldn't when I though "he's not mature enough to lead this group effectively".   I have no doubt he's saying "my manager sucks, I could do their job better than him and I know more..." but here's the thing:  you don't.  Not, at least, about the criteria on which the job was filled, and that's part of leadership.  If you don't know what the important qualifications are for that job YOU DON'T BELONG THERE.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2024, 08:19:52 AM
I'd say you are likely right more often than not Stadler, but like you, I usually will take the word from my friends before judging further.  But sometimes, you know your friend well enough (not saying this about anyone here) and you just know that they are more likely the problem  :lol

I was watching an old episode of 90 day fiance last night and the guy was like "well, my gf and my friends are all saying the same thing about me, so I guess...maybe it is me?!" and like BINGO DUDE and then he goes off continuing being his shitty self and blaming everyone else.  That may be reality TV but I've seen that plenty of times in real life too.
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Post by: TAC on February 28, 2024, 08:22:27 AM

I was watching an old episode of 90 day fiance last night

It takes a strong and confident man to state this publicly.  :lol
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Post by: TAC on February 28, 2024, 08:32:23 AM

As a business owner and manager of people, I've a different perspective.


Gregg, I’d be interested to know what some of your core principles were for your style and your staff.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2024, 08:35:18 AM

I was watching an old episode of 90 day fiance last night

It takes a strong and confident man to state this publicly.  :lol

Nah, Howard Stern would talk about it daily.  It's a RIDICULOUS show  :lol
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: El Barto on February 28, 2024, 09:58:59 AM
As a manager up until about three years ago, I'm always intrigued by conversations about...management.

NOT AIMED AT WOLFIE OR LONK... I know both of them and I 100% believe the circumstances they describe.  It happens, unfortunately.   But as a general matter, I am fascinated by them too.  If I had a nickel for every "my manager sucks, I could do his job, he doesn't understand what we do, yadda yada yada" conversation I've heard, I'd be booking Dream Theater into my back yard. 

Look, like I said, it happens.  It does.  But more often than not - again MORE OFTEN THAN NOT - the people in an organization are where they need to be.  If your company makes widgets, and you are the person actually making the widget, it's easy - but false - to think that the organization needs to start and end with you.  Unfortunately, at least here in the States, the "widget making" is almost the least of the company's concerns, and that's just the reality of a regulated commercial environment.   Actually leading people - dealing with the day-to-day of everyone's foibles - is a hard job and not everyone can be accommodated in the way that they most likely feel they should be accomodated.   

I'm dealing with that now; we hired a position of leadership (25 people more or less) from a pool of internal candidates and while they don't report to me, I have a lot of interaction with them and had some say in who got the job.  I opted for a very good "functional person" but excellent leader over a slightly superior functional candidate but FAR inferior leadership candidate.  My boss, and several others, agreed.  And the person passed over is acting exactly how I hoped he wouldn't when I though "he's not mature enough to lead this group effectively".   I have no doubt he's saying "my manager sucks, I could do their job better than him and I know more..." but here's the thing:  you don't.  Not, at least, about the criteria on which the job was filled, and that's part of leadership.  If you don't know what the important qualifications are for that job YOU DON'T BELONG THERE.
By and large I agree with you, but there's a reason you know who Larry Peter is.  :lol

I've been on all sides of the equation. Frankly, I think managers and employees tend to suck for the same reason. They don't relate to the other side. Employees tend to have a self-inflated value of themselves and underestimate the skills/abilities of their management. Management tends to underestimate the value of good employees. Honestly, nobody ever seems to really get it right. This applies to me, too. Technically I'm a manager of two. I think they're whiny and petty. They think I'm a lazy dick. The truth is that they could never, ever do what I do, and I damn sure wouldn't want to do what they do for what they make.

The part that always fascinates me, mostly about employees with big heads, is their assessment that a manager is going to wreck the company. Businesses tend to be rather resilient. For one thing, they can withstand a fair amount of mismanagement before collapsing, and that mismanagement isn't typically allowed to continue long enough to do permanent damage. The other is that people tend to significantly overestimate the degree of that mismanagement and its effect on the bottom line. When somebody thinks "the new manager has ruined everything and I'm getting out while the getting is good," they probably should, but for personal reasons rather than professional. No matter what you think they're probably not going to ruin everything, but you don't have to spend your life working for people you can't stand.   


Like any position, managers can be really good or really bad. I've been lucky to have had mostly really good managers over my career. Now that I am one, I work really hard to make sure I give my team what they need. My number one philosophy as a manager is "don't be an asshole" I can definitely say I've been successful there
The one bit of managerial advice I thought really made sense was that it's a lot easier to come in being the asshole and make friends later than it is to be their friends and have to become the asshole when they start fucking off. Obviously it depends on the situation and the people, but there does often come a time when a certain amount of assholishness is required.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2024, 10:06:34 AM
I've had 103 resumes in the last month. Only 5 wanted interviews. Talk about a horrific batting average.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on February 28, 2024, 12:34:29 PM
Honestly, nobody ever seems to really get it right. This applies to me, too. Technically I'm a manager of two. I think they're whiny and petty. They think I'm a lazy dick.

Which is it? I thought you said they never seem to get it right?

HAHA

(That was a SOFTBALL, you can't honestly expect us to let that one slide by!!!!)
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: El Barto on February 28, 2024, 01:28:13 PM
Honestly, nobody ever seems to really get it right. This applies to me, too. Technically I'm a manager of two. I think they're whiny and petty. They think I'm a lazy dick.

Which is it? I thought you said they never seem to get it right?

HAHA

(That was a SOFTBALL, you can't honestly expect us to let that one slide by!!!!)
Well, technically I am a lazy dick, but they're wrong for assuming that from a position of ignorance.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: ReaperKK on February 28, 2024, 06:18:39 PM
Fuck em mate. Incredible how managers can completely fuck things over.

As a business owner and manager of people, I've a different perspective. It's absolutely incredible how someone can milk a 10 minute task into a 4 hour project and blame it on management because they aren't paid enough. You say, fuck me? Well, fuck you, mate!

It goes both ways though.  Management certainly can be an issue, and also, the person reporting to the manager could also be terrible. Or maybe it's both and a toxic relationship, who knows without more detail. 

Agreed. I was a manager for 7 yeras and I've had both great and terrible people work for me. Same goes for managers I've had some have been awful, others are great (like my current manager).

I definitely would never want to manage people again though, I don't really have it in me anymore.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: wolfking on February 28, 2024, 07:31:15 PM
I definitely would never want to manage people again though, I don't really have it in me anymore.

I personally don't think I'll ever be venturing down that path again either.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2024, 07:38:36 PM
Tonight,  was stressful. So many pitfalls.   I still try to be that steady influence in these times. It takes its toll but I hope to wipe the slate clean, tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: TAC on February 28, 2024, 07:44:29 PM
Tonight,  was stressful. So many pitfalls.   I still try to be that steady influence in these times. It takes its toll but I hope to wipe the slate clean, tomorrow.


What happened?
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2024, 08:08:11 PM
Boss overbearing.   Reviews. Safety observations to put in. 2 interviews.   Add 4 hours of training plus my supervisor called our and my trainee had to full in put a lot of stress today.   

My normal backup got a promotion to my position to my position in Lewiston,  ME.  A feather in my cap, but a lot of moving pictures right now.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Stadler on February 29, 2024, 08:40:07 AM
Boss overbearing.   Reviews. Safety observations to put in. 2 interviews.   Add 4 hours of training plus my supervisor called our and my trainee had to full in put a lot of stress today.   

My normal backup got a promotion to my position to my position in Lewiston,  ME.  A feather in my cap, but a lot of moving pictures right now.

Grace under pressure, my friend.  Grace under pressure.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Awaken on March 01, 2024, 04:02:16 AM
Just finished week 1 of return to office . . . spent each day at my desk on calls.  The majority of each team I support are scattered around the globe.  There is no purpose for me being in an office. 
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: Zydar on March 01, 2024, 04:58:32 AM
Boss overbearing.   Reviews. Safety observations to put in. 2 interviews.   Add 4 hours of training plus my supervisor called our and my trainee had to full in put a lot of stress today.   

My normal backup got a promotion to my position to my position in Lewiston,  ME.  A feather in my cap, but a lot of moving pictures right now.

Grace under pressure, my friend.  Grace under pressure.

I want to make a Rush reference, but I can learn to resist.
Title: Re: Work Related Gripes V The Wrath Of Jay..
Post by: jingle.boy on March 01, 2024, 05:33:36 AM
Boss overbearing.   Reviews. Safety observations to put in. 2 interviews.   Add 4 hours of training plus my supervisor called our and my trainee had to full in put a lot of stress today.   

My normal backup got a promotion to my position to my position in Lewiston,  ME.  A feather in my cap, but a lot of moving pictures right now.

Grace under pressure, my friend.  Grace under pressure.

Give it time.

And motion.

I want to make a Rush reference, but I can learn to resist.