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Title: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2015, 07:45:45 PM
It begins tonight.  Should be interesting to see how good it is.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: orcus116 on February 08, 2015, 08:24:55 PM
The product placement in the first five minutes was painful.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 08, 2015, 08:32:40 PM
I'm going to give it a shot despite not having watched one episode of breaking bad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: orcus116 on February 08, 2015, 08:49:14 PM
Any idea what the electromagnetism disorder Chuck has is?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Metropolaris on February 08, 2015, 09:09:08 PM
That ending though  :o
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Tom Bombadil on February 08, 2015, 09:09:23 PM
Oh my god!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 08, 2015, 11:22:08 PM
I have a hard time decipher if you guys reactions are positive or negative!?  :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 09, 2015, 01:26:11 AM
Oh my god!
Yeah. Did not see that coming. Feck.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Calvin6s on February 09, 2015, 09:31:22 AM
Seems way too early to start bringing in so many Breaking Bad crutches.

The brother relationship was easily the best part of the show.  So there were good things and worrying things.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: orcus116 on February 09, 2015, 09:50:18 AM
I have a hard time decipher if you guys reactions are positive or negative!?  :lol

Entertaining and I will definitely watch more I just hope that it becomes its own thing and not too much BB fan service.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: BlackInk on February 09, 2015, 10:29:14 AM
Yeah it was a fun episode. A bit depressing seeing him live through all that shit, but still good.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: masterthes on February 09, 2015, 11:01:49 AM
Since I hadn't watched Breaking Bad, the references were over my head, but it was really good so far. Can't wait for the second part tonight 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 09, 2015, 12:16:12 PM
Seems way too early to start bringing in so many Breaking Bad crutches.

Not encouraging. I haven't watched the episode yet, but I likely won't stick with it if this becomes a trend.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Calvin6s on February 09, 2015, 12:42:35 PM
Seems way too early to start bringing in so many Breaking Bad crutches.

Not encouraging. I haven't watched the episode yet, but I likely won't stick with it if this becomes a trend.

The funny part is:  If you didn't watch Breaking Bad, the cameos would be irrelevant and therefore, wouldn't detract from the fact that some good story lines were set up last night.

Michael McKean is definitely an interesting part of the cast.  Like that guy quite a bit and there is something very interesting going on with his character.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: emblempride on February 09, 2015, 04:17:55 PM
Yeah, considering how it was set up, I don't think Breaking Bad is exactly required to enjoy thi (though a concurrent splurge would definitely help immersion for those who haven't seen it yet). Even if you were a devoted fan, we were introduced to and are now following James McGill as opposed to the character we already knew. And considering what they could have done, that it's just the first episode and judging it by one hour alone, I disagree that the references are acting as crutches as opposed to nods they could fit in (aside from the relevant character reprisals, which are likely more story than anything and who wasn't kind of tickled by that last cameo?) though how they treat this the rest of the season remains to be seen. I loved the opening sequence, the color of the TV lightly reflecting off of Saul's glasses in the black and white intro and the courtroom scene's slow buildup, etc, and the tone was also set very nicely and the shifts in humor and drama aren't as jarring as I thought they'd be.

One thing I thought was great was that they got Odenkirk to do his British accent already in the first episode. Sounds just as silly 20 years later lol. Fingers crossed for a scene where he and McKean just fuck about with the accents.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: KevShmev on February 09, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
I really enjoyed that episode.  And I totally disagree about the BB nods being crutches. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Chino on February 09, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
Was that Tuko?!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Zook on February 09, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
Was that Tuko?!

No it was the chupacabra from The X-Files.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Tom Bombadil on February 09, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
They should start a cooking show featuring Tuco. I'd totally watch.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Calvin6s on February 09, 2015, 08:28:14 PM
They should start a cooking show featuring Tuco. I'd totally watch.

They already had that.  It was called Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Tom Bombadil on February 09, 2015, 08:32:08 PM
They should start a cooking show featuring Tuco. I'd totally watch.

They already had that.  It was called Breaking Bad.
Ha nice one :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Accelerando on February 09, 2015, 09:06:52 PM
I honestly thought this show was going to be "Joey" after "Friends", but it seems like it will be "Fraiser" after "Cheers". I loved that first episode, and I can't wait for tonight!!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2015, 10:35:01 PM
It will be a miracle if they manage to pull this off, with the same gripping thoroughness that Breaking Bad had, but they're off to a good start. I'm eagerly awaiting next week's show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Calvin6s on February 10, 2015, 01:11:31 AM
Breaking Bad set a high hurdle.  If the show is judged on its own merits, it will probably have better reviews.  Even half as good as Breaking Bad is still better than most TV shows out there.

SPOILER
One of my favorite moments was when Saul's (I mean Jimmy's) brother told Saul he couldn't use his own name for his law practice.  Is this where "Saul Goodman" is born?

They really couldn't have picked a better Breaking Bad character for a spin off.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: BlackInk on February 10, 2015, 04:28:13 AM
I'm just waiting for someone to go "It's all good, man!", and see the lightbulb switch on for Jimmy. I don't know if they'll do that, but it would be funny.

The second episode was great. The desert scene especially.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Chino on February 10, 2015, 05:50:30 AM
Any idea what the electromagnetism disorder Chuck has is?

Pacemaker related?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: BlackInk on February 10, 2015, 05:58:20 AM
Wait, this isn't a spoiler thread? Do we need to do small-text or spoiler warnings when posting things about an episode which has already aired?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Chino on February 10, 2015, 06:29:04 AM
I think once "Spoillers" is added to the threat title, anything goes.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 10, 2015, 08:18:40 AM
I've never watched one episode of Breaking Bad.....although I'm constantly reminded how much I'm missing out on.....but anyway, I watched the first espisode of this show and I liked it alot. I think that despite not having any BB reference to fall back on this show could be pretty good.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 10, 2015, 10:48:17 AM
Any idea what the electromagnetism disorder Chuck has is?

Pacemaker related?

I'm guessing strictly psychological at this point
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: Tom Bombadil on February 10, 2015, 10:58:35 AM
2nd episode was excellent. Much better than the first.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: BlackInk on February 10, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
Any idea what the electromagnetism disorder Chuck has is?

Pacemaker related?

I'm guessing strictly psychological at this point

Yeah, that's the vibe I got from the 'space blanket' scene as well.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: KevShmev on February 10, 2015, 07:55:46 PM
2nd episode was excellent. Much better than the first.

Agreed.  That scene in the desert was fantastic.

I've never watched one episode of Breaking Bad.

(https://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4289723/you-serious-clark-o.gif)

I think once "Spoillers" is added to the threat title, anything goes.

It is now.  Don't want to know what is going on?  Don't read this thread.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Better Call Saul
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 10, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
I've never watched one episode of Breaking Bad.

(https://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4289723/you-serious-clark-o.gif)

Yep. I consistently get hazed for it as well by my brothers and friends who've watched it. They can't believe someone who watches as much TV as I do didn't watch that show. I'm sure I'll binge watch it sooner or later....
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 10, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
I think it should be sooner rather than later. :biggrin:

Plus, winter is a good time to do it, while you're inside a lot and before that deep playoff run the Blues will make in April and May. ;) :hat
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on February 10, 2015, 08:34:17 PM
For the record, threads that deal with a current subject are inherently expected to have spoilers of all readily available content.

For example, this thread is obviously going to have info about recent episodes as soon as they air, and nobody should have to feel to hide their feelings or spoilers. The onus is on people who haven't seen the episode to avoid the thread till they do.

On the other hand, let's say this is the Rush thread, and someone obtained a legitimate copy of the setlist for the tour that started in a few months. That's what you would need to hide. And again, once the tour starts, if you don't want spoilers, don't come into the thread.

Hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 10, 2015, 10:26:28 PM
Just finished the 2nd episode.

When you immediately check your DVR schedule to see if you have to wait a whole week for the next episode, you know you are hooked.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on February 10, 2015, 10:45:45 PM
I got spoiled on Breaking Bad. Waited till the series ended to start it, and as such was able to pick up the seasons and basically binge watch the entire season. I could barely stand the 5 minutes it took me to piss and grab a drink between episodes, and now... an entire week? fgafogijafogkljafgl;
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 11, 2015, 02:13:16 AM
That desert scene was fucking tense.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 11, 2015, 04:57:51 AM
Just caught up on the two.  I'm liking it a lot more than I thought I would.  Michael McKean's character is so awesomely weird.  And Bob Odenkirk makes me nostalgic for BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 11, 2015, 09:23:05 AM
Every time I see Michael McKean in something, I secretly hope for Harry Shearer and Christopher Guest to do a guest spot.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 11, 2015, 01:34:02 PM
Every time I see Michael McKean in something, I secretly hope for Harry Shearer and Christopher Guest to do a guest spot.

That is Season 4.  As part of McKean's therapy for his illness, he must play ELECTRIC guitar.  Spinal Tap is born.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Trooper on February 11, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
I like the small ties to Breaking Bad and it is my favorite tv show ever. But Gilligan appears to be playing it smart in his writing of where this show may go. So far 2 brilliant episodes. Odenkirk is amazing as usual. I am sure we will see more tie ins to BB but I like so far that the show is standing on its own merits. It is a tuff thing to do to make a sequal/prequel to the greatest tv show ever. Odenkirk already gets an emmy nod for the desert scene. This show has real potential. They have already introduced Mike into the picture who was Gus right hand. Will be interesting to see where they take it. Possibly a Gus intro soon? That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 11, 2015, 02:38:58 PM
I hope they don't bring Fring in too soon (from what I gather I believe Mike ends up working as Saul's PI?), or even at all.  I would hate for this show to bring in too many BB elements and sorta ride those coattails out.  Especially since - like you say, the show stands on its own merits.  I think its amazing that that's evident just two episodes in. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Trooper on February 11, 2015, 02:44:50 PM
I agree. I trust Gilligan. Inevitably there will be tie ins as we have seen (aka Tuco, Mike) but if he does it properly it can be an awesome series. I would like it to be a stand alone series, but there will be tie ins. Needs to be done to see how he became Saul. There is no way of not using BB back story to do that. One thing I really hope is if they are going to introduce  the BB guys (Jessie, Walter, he waits a loooooooooooooooong time)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 11, 2015, 02:46:40 PM
They have already introduced Mike into the picture who was Gus right hand. Will be interesting to see where they take it. Possibly a Gus intro soon? That would be awesome.

Tuco (sp?) was supposed to be Tuco, but was Mike supposed to be Mike ... or just a neat little cameo?  Was that made clear?  The episode 3 previews suggested Mike steps out of his role (toll booth).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 11, 2015, 02:49:12 PM
I'm pretty sure Mike is Mike and that he ends up working for Saul.  Which would be awesome given the shit way he went out on BB.  He was always one of my favourites.  The sticker gag had me laughing out loud. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 11, 2015, 02:53:24 PM
I'm pretty sure Mike is Mike and that he ends up working for Saul.  Which would be awesome given the shit way he went out on BB.  He was always one of my favourites.  The sticker gag had me laughing out loud.

I'm trying to put together Mike's back story from BB with where he is in this one.  BB had the back story of him trying to get cash to his past criminal peers (children).  So is the toll booth gig just him in the middle of running some criminal scheme?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 11, 2015, 03:13:03 PM
I don't think Saul ever met Gus. I could be wrong about that, but I seem to recall something in that direction. So I'm not expecting to see him ever.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Trooper on February 11, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
The way I read it Mike works for "Saul" eventually. as a PI. But he eventually works for Gus. How that tie in can be interesting. A rumour I heard is that "Saul" eventually knows Badger prior to the BB stuff. I just hope as awesome as the first 2 episodes have been is they don't destroy what BB was. But I Digress and I trust Gilligan.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 11, 2015, 03:19:35 PM
Did Mike and Saul interact in BB at all?  I can't remember, its probably time for a re-watch.  Maybe they work together in BCS and end up having some kinda falling out leading to Mike working as a solo PI, eventually landing work with Fring. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Trooper on February 11, 2015, 03:21:36 PM
I don't think Saul ever met Gus. I could be wrong about that, but I seem to recall something in that direction. So I'm not expecting to see him ever.

 I do not think they did either,not face to face. But they both knew of each other.They had to.  But the Mike/Gus/ Saul connection exists.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2015, 03:25:04 PM
Spoilers for those who've never seen Breaking Bad:



When Saul got Walt a meeting with Gus, he had no clue who Gus was.  He knew "a guy who knows a guy..who knows another guy."

Jessie did state that Saul got Emilio and Krazy-8 out of hot water before, so we might see those guys.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Trooper on February 11, 2015, 03:26:13 PM
I would have to do a recheck  but Saul and Gus never met in person but knew of each other. The tie would be Mike to Saul and Gus. If I recall there is an epsisode where Saul refers to Gus. HMMMMMM now im doing a BB binge lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2015, 03:28:44 PM
Right, but that was long after Walt was associated with him.  Prior to Walt working for Gus, Saul had no idea who Gus was. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Trooper on February 11, 2015, 03:30:44 PM
Spoilers for those who've never seen Breaking Bad:



When Saul got Walt a meeting with Gus, he had no clue who Gus was.  He knew "a guy who knows a guy..who knows another guy."

Jessie did state that Saul got Emilio and Krazy-8 out of hot water before, so we might see those guys.

That's right. I forgot that. I was going to say that Saul already knew Krazy 8.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Trooper on February 11, 2015, 03:33:27 PM
Right, but that was long after Walt was associated with him.  Prior to Walt working for Gus, Saul had no idea who Gus was.

in BB yes. But if Mike was already working for Gus, well eventually, the Saul .........Mike connection can exist.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 11, 2015, 03:40:11 PM
Right, but that was long after Walt was associated with him.  Prior to Walt working for Gus, Saul had no idea who Gus was.

But what if Saul met Gus the businessman with no knowledge of Gus the drug kingpin.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Trooper on February 11, 2015, 03:52:30 PM
good point. he just owned a few chicken joints. but I still find the gus-mike-saul thing interesting
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 11, 2015, 10:34:14 PM
I'm pretty sure Mike is Mike and that he ends up working for Saul.  Which would be awesome given the shit way he went out on BB.  He was always one of my favourites.  The sticker gag had me laughing out loud.

I'm trying to put together Mike's back story from BB with where he is in this one.  BB had the back story of him trying to get cash to his past criminal peers (children).  So is the toll booth gig just him in the middle of running some criminal scheme?
How far back timewise is BCS? His granddaughter could be an infant.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on February 14, 2015, 08:29:27 AM
I wasn't a huge fan of Tuco in BB. He worked as a character that lasted the length of time he did, but I think I would've got tired of him had he been around longer, and I didn't get why people seemed to rave about him so much after. So when the first episode ended with him, my first thought was, "ah fuck, really?"

The desert scene made me a bit more optimistic though. It played up to his character - paranoid, savage, not as bright as the best - absolutely perfectly. And they seem to be going to utilise his brother (?) as much as, maybe even more than him, and he seemed interesting.

Jimmy bartering with Tuco was hilarious.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 14, 2015, 02:37:55 PM
Jimmy bartering with Tuco was hilarious.

I liked that Jimmy/Saul was across the finish line, but actually put that in jeopardy to *save* the other guys.  Everything he does is always a question of "is this all about himself or does he actually care about others?"

I'm betting that most people in real life would have just kept walking once they saw their own finish line.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: orcus116 on February 14, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
Depends on how much guilt they would've felt since he kept saying that he was the one that put them in that situation. He just seems like a normal guy trying to be shrewd that got caught with his pants down instead of a sociopath that would've just let Tuco have his way with them once he was freed.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 14, 2015, 03:50:15 PM
Jimmy gave his all to save those idiots, but I think Saul would've walked.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: orcus116 on February 14, 2015, 04:36:26 PM
True. Saul was a real puss towards the end of BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dublagent66 on February 15, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
True. Saul was a real puss towards the end of BB.

Yeah, looks like he's picking up where he left off.  Not sure what to make of this show just yet.  The appearances of Mike and Tuco aren't really doing much for the show.  Maybe too early to tell.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 16, 2015, 02:50:27 AM
So since a name change is imminent, I bet they're going to address the origins of "S'all good, man."
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 16, 2015, 10:29:44 PM
Pretty good episode tonight- I hope they can keep this up...

I'm still trying to wrap my head around a show all about Saul, as a serious character no less, but I'm getting there.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 16, 2015, 11:33:04 PM
Purposely avoided this thread while I watched the episode.  Banks is definitely Mike.  First time I saw him, I figured it was just a cameo by Banks rather than Banks' character, Mike.

The fact that Saul keeps being put in situations where the *honorable* move is the least safe move is nice screenwriting.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 16, 2015, 11:58:21 PM
Of course he's Mike. I didn't even know that was being questioned. That would be a godawful "cameo" to throw Banks in and not have him be Mike. Why confuse the fanbase that way? And why show him in the trailer?

Not to mention it was announced a long time ago that Mike would show up from time to time in BCS.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 17, 2015, 12:12:24 AM
Not to mention it was announced a long time ago that Mike would show up from time to time in BCS.

I guess if you follow that stuff.  I try not to as it usually ruins shows/movies. 

Cameos are pretty common where the actor shows up, but isn't the character.  I didn't catch the year yet, but I think is supposed to be about 2001 or 2002 based off the time stamp on his first case ... or about 6 years before Breaking Bad.  That seems like quite the rise for Mike to go from Toll Booth troll to having so much responsibility with Gus.  And we know he had less than normal activity prior to 2002, so it is a strange job position for him to currently be in.  As I said earlier, perhaps it is a temporary job so he can talk to D.A.'s to get some inside info in a unsuspecting opinion.  Or maybe he was retiring to a simple job like that only to be dragged back in.

So far, lots of unanswered questions.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 17, 2015, 04:27:29 AM
Great episode. This show is definetely managing to show the same 'spirit' as Breaking Bad did, but still be it's own thing. Which is really the perfect thing for it to be that everyone hoped for.

And I love how Jimmy just told the girl everything, as in actually explained the situation. That's what real life people do. They don't always lie in weird ways as so many people do in other shows, and is something that has always bothered me.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 17, 2015, 03:58:11 PM
I like this so far, but I have to be honest: if this were a brand new show, with no Breaking Bad having existed, I would not consider this "must see TV."  But, because of the Breaking Bad factor, I am all in for the duration.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 17, 2015, 05:01:12 PM
I like this so far, but I have to be honest: if this were a brand new show, with no Breaking Bad having existed, I would not consider this "must see TV."  But, because of the Breaking Bad factor, I am all in for the duration.

I'm teetering on dumping it. I've enjoyed each episode.....but I am not just dying to watch it. I figure though that I've given less shows a season to win me over....so I'll probably do the same here.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on February 17, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
That's basically how I feel. I'm interested, but can fully acknowledge a lot of my interest is based on the BB link. It doesn't feel like a show I would be watching without that. I'm giving it a chance because they're most likely still setting bigger stuff up, but if it doesn't get much more interesting than this within the season, I can't see myself returning to it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 17, 2015, 05:38:43 PM
I figure Gilligan knows where he set the bar with the fandom, so he figures he's able to get away with drawing out the setup a bit longer. Which seems to be the case.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tom Bombadil on February 17, 2015, 06:21:53 PM
You guys are crazy. This show is awesome so far.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 17, 2015, 06:33:05 PM
You guys are crazy. This show is awesome so far.

yessir
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 17, 2015, 07:21:20 PM
You guys are crazy. This show is awesome so far.

yessir

In my case it's less about how good the show is and more about trying to filter the amount of shows I'm watching. It's out of control for me. I'm trying to get to a manageable number of shows I enjoy to where I'm not killing myself on the weekends to watch 16 hours of tv shows on Friday and Saturday nights. Anyway, I do agree that it is a good show....I've enjoyed it....but I'm still just not fully 'in' at this point, that's all
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 17, 2015, 07:48:43 PM
Very few shows, including a lot of great shows, are HOLY FUCK BALLS AMAZING three episodes in.  You can't expect mid-run excellence three episodes in.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 17, 2015, 07:51:46 PM
Very few shows, including a lot of great shows, are HOLY FUCK BALLS AMAZING three episodes in.  You can't expect mid-run excellence three episodes in.

I know. And that's why at the least its getting the full season. And again.....I do like the show!  :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 17, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
You guys are crazy. This show is awesome so far.

yessir

In my case it's less about how good the show is and more about trying to filter the amount of shows I'm watching. It's out of control for me. I'm trying to get to a manageable number of shows I enjoy to where I'm not killing myself on the weekends to watch 16 hours of tv shows on Friday and Saturday nights. Anyway, I do agree that it is a good show....I've enjoyed it....but I'm still just not fully 'in' at this point, that's all

Holy crap!  What shows are you following?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: orcus116 on February 17, 2015, 07:52:27 PM
I have nothing else to watch on a Monday night so this works for me.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 17, 2015, 07:59:21 PM
You guys are crazy. This show is awesome so far.

yessir

In my case it's less about how good the show is and more about trying to filter the amount of shows I'm watching. It's out of control for me. I'm trying to get to a manageable number of shows I enjoy to where I'm not killing myself on the weekends to watch 16 hours of tv shows on Friday and Saturday nights. Anyway, I do agree that it is a good show....I've enjoyed it....but I'm still just not fully 'in' at this point, that's all

Holy crap!  What shows are you following?

Not in any particular order

The Walking Dead
The talking Dead
Better call Saul
Storage Wars
12 Monkeys
Helix
Vikings
Face Off
Wizard Wars
Shark Tank
Yukon Men
Alaska: Final Frontier
(Not currently on)
The Intruders
Hannibal
Survivor
Deadliest Catch

Plus, it's Hockey Season so I rarely miss a Blues game. Like right now....watching them get their a$$ handed to them by Dallas

It seems like I'm missing a couple shows also....those are just the ones that popped in my head.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 17, 2015, 08:00:56 PM
Sheesh!  I can count the shows I follow on one hand I think.  That's crazy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 17, 2015, 08:03:34 PM
Sheesh!  I can count the shows I follow on one hand I think.  That's crazy.
I've been trying to cut it down for a while. I have some sort of problem I think....only because I generally don't start trying to watch the recordings until 8 or 9 o'clock Fri/Sat nights and stay up until 2 or 3 am....full well knowing I have to get up early and do the dad thing of running to games or whatever. Oh well.....
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 17, 2015, 08:06:07 PM
Very few shows, including a lot of great shows, are HOLY FUCK BALLS AMAZING three episodes in.  You can't expect mid-run excellence three episodes in.

True, although Breaking Bad did it.  By the time the 3rd episode of that was over, I was in balls deep. :lol :lol  Then again, Breaking Bad is the best thing ever, so holding everything else to their standard is just unfair.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 17, 2015, 10:32:07 PM
Breaking Bad and The Americans might be the only shows I was balls deep in that early in a series.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 18, 2015, 03:22:53 AM
I follow 12 shows, only 4 of which are currently coming out weekly, one of which is Better Call Saul. Some shows that are currently on TV that I want to see I'll just wait with until one of the ones I do follow ends.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 18, 2015, 03:55:37 PM
Just caught up with the latest episode.  It was kinda... meh.  Hopefully the action picks up.  Good to see Mike getting more screen time!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 18, 2015, 04:33:17 PM
Breaking Bad and The Americans might be the only shows I was balls deep in that early in a series.

The Sorpanos grabbed me just as quickly as BB did.  Episode 1 wowed me and I was "all in" after that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on February 18, 2015, 04:38:42 PM
Sad as this may sound, Better Call Saul is the first show not on Comedy Central in many years I've followed from day 1. Everything else I always watch on DVD after the fact, or catch up a few seasons in and then watch from there on out. Hell, even this series only partially counts as I'd probably never have started watching it already if it wasn't for breaking bad.

I guess I typically wait till a show is a few seasons in at least and get a good look at the feelings towards a show on a whole than jumping in from the start.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 18, 2015, 04:58:15 PM
Sad as this may sound, Better Call Saul is the first show not on Comedy Central in many years I've followed from day 1. Everything else I always watch on DVD after the fact, or catch up a few seasons in and then watch from there on out. Hell, even this series only partially counts as I'd probably never have started watching it already if it wasn't for breaking bad.

I guess I typically wait till a show is a few seasons in at least and get a good look at the feelings towards a show on a hole than jumping in from the start.

That's what I used to do, but for some reason lately I decided to put a couple new shows that look interesting in the DVR bank.  There is so much crap that it feels like work instead of relaxing.  I need to go back to my old method (your method).  I might miss that one cult classic that was only on for one season, but its just TV.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Marion Crane on February 21, 2015, 02:10:51 PM
Haven't watched ep3 yet so I skipped the last page or so, but is the nail salon that Saul uses for his office the same one he tried to get Jesse to buy for his money laundering?  I think it is.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 22, 2015, 02:29:36 AM
It is.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on February 22, 2015, 10:45:30 AM
I'm liking the show so far. I recently started re-watching BB, and I will say that while S1 was good, the show definitely improved over time. S1 on its own legs was not fantastic, but it set up a great show, and only got better with each season IMO.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 22, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
I think all the post-hype and all the often revisited moments online has made some people forget how slow Breaking Bad was a lot of the time. Not saying it wasn't good, it is one of the best shows, but it was really slow almost all the time. Which is probably why I haven't got as my #1 show as many others do.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 22, 2015, 04:18:38 PM
I think the average person didn't start watching Breaking Bad until it was a season or two in and started to hear how good it was.  I recall watching two seasons in a short amount of time via Netflix.  So that probably contributed to not realizing the slow pace.

I do know that while I was catching up, I kept telling myself "last episode today ... got things to do".  Then that episode ended and all I can think is "I gotta see what happens next ... one more"
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 23, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
I'm no longer on the fence.  After tonight's episode, I'm a full fledged fan of this show.  I just didn't want the episode to end tonight.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 24, 2015, 05:09:42 AM
Yeah it was a great one.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 24, 2015, 07:39:21 AM
I'm no longer on the fence.  After tonight's episode, I'm a full fledged fan of this show.  I just didn't want the episode to end tonight.

I agree. I jumped off the fence and am now playing in it's back yard. I like the way they've used the past to give you a frame of mind of what he's capable of and the way he thinks.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 24, 2015, 07:46:44 AM
I jumped off the fence and am now camping in it's back yard.

Fixed ;)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 24, 2015, 07:55:29 AM
The whole episode was great, but the beginning was nonstop great lines
1.  I'll come to your McDonald's where you work.  I'll buy the whole damn place and I'll fire ya.  I'll say drop your mops you buttholes cause you're fired.  Then I'll roundhouse kick you right in your stupid head.
2.  You wanna talk about legal ... I mean slavery ... human slavery
3.  You're the kind of lawyer guilty people hire (here's your bribe)
4.  You assume that criminals are gonna be smarter than they are

All that in just the first few minutes.

This episode was just plain great from beginning to end.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 24, 2015, 08:06:33 AM
2.  You wanna talk about legal ... I mean slavery ... human slavery

Those lines of dialogue were indeed funny. "Yeah... This is right up there with that.."  :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
Totally agree, that was an awesome episode.  Great to see a bit of action happening, and the 'Saul' character taking shape.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 24, 2015, 08:02:35 PM
I really enjoyed this week's episode.  Gotta like the slow burn they are doing with showing how Jimmy transforms into Saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 25, 2015, 12:20:48 AM
"Saul Goodman, yeah.  Like, 's'all good, man'"
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Big Hath on February 25, 2015, 09:03:49 PM
some awesome music/music references in the last episode!

- a Rush poster in the background . . .
- while Chicago is playing (it was "Listen" if I recall correctly) . . .
- right after the big dude was humming "Smoke on the Water"
- then later they played some Dave Brubeck during the scene where Saul was calling all the reporters
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: orcus116 on February 26, 2015, 09:08:56 PM
"Saul Goodman, yeah.  Like, 's'all good, man'"

I said that to myself a couple weeks ago and had a complete "...oh god dammit" moment right after.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TempusVox on February 27, 2015, 12:39:12 AM
"Saul Goodman, yeah.  Like, 's'all good, man'"

I said that to myself a couple weeks ago and had a complete "...oh god dammit" moment right after.


I never picked up on this during the entire run of Breaking Bad. I nearly fell out of my chair when he dropped that line. Awesome!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bolsters on February 27, 2015, 12:48:50 AM
Saul does actually point it out somewhere in an episode Breaking Bad. Not sure when.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 27, 2015, 06:49:27 AM
Saul does actually point it out somewhere in an episode Breaking Bad. Not sure when.

So much happened in Breaking Bad that it is easy to miss something from what was at the time of Saul's introduction, a minor character.  I missed it from Breaking Bad and I'm betting it was as simple as somebody interrupting me during viewing (which happens frequently).

And the name is one of those things that makes you  :facepalm: because it was staring you in the face, but he pronounced it "mon" instead of "man" so it didn't click.  As soon as you pronounce it literally  :facepalm:

I liken it to my YTSE Jam moment.  A friend and I got so hung up on what Y.T.S.E. stood for as an acronym, that we missed the obvious.   We actually found out by meeting Portnoy before an I&W era tour.  This was a time when he would literally just come out and talk to the fanatics like us (showing up hours early to a concert so we could get right up to the stage).  He talked to us for so long, we actually ran out of things to ask him.  But there was this exchange:

Calvin:  So what does the YTSE in YTSE Jam stand for?
Portnoy:  Do you know the name of our band before Dream Theater?
Calvin:  I heard it was Majesty?
Portnoy:  Ok ... now think about Majesty and look at the name YTSE Jam again.
<Play Jeopardy music>
Calvin:   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 27, 2015, 09:48:01 AM
I did not know that. Cool.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mebert78 on February 27, 2015, 10:13:33 AM
Random question that I'm not sure has been addressed here or not, as I only did a quick scroll.  If I remember correctly from Breaking Bad, Mike was one of Gus's guys, right?  I remember a scene where Walt took Mike to Saul's office ater Gus was killed so they could meet.  Saul and Mike didn't know each other, from what I remember.  So, now we're being told in "Better Caul Saul" that Saul and Mike did, in fact, know each other all along?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dublagent66 on February 27, 2015, 10:26:07 AM
Having a hard time getting into this show.  Yeah, I realize Saul is trying to make a name for himself but the storyline so far is so slow and not very interesting.  Breaking Bad was lightyears ahead of this show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 27, 2015, 10:37:42 AM
In terms of first episodes, I think BCS is doing a better job. But I do not believe that it will reach the same hights that BB did.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 27, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
Random question that I'm not sure has been addressed here or not, as I only did a quick scroll.  If I remember correctly from Breaking Bad, Mike was one of Gus's guys, right?  I remember a scene where Walt took Mike to Saul's office ater Gus was killed so they could meet.  Saul and Mike didn't know each other, from what I remember.  So, now we're being told in "Better Caul Saul" that Saul and Mike did, in fact, know each other all along?

IIRC, Saul sends Mike to clean up all the drug paraphernalia etc after Jane's drug overdose.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 27, 2015, 04:17:07 PM
In terms of first episodes, I think BCS is doing a better job. But I do not believe that it will reach the same hights that BB did.

I wouldn't put money on that yet.  Saul Goodman is a more likeable character than Walter White.

Walter was kind of a dick with a superiority complex that tried to justify his bad behavior as necessary for his family.

Saul is a guy that is in a dick profession (lawyer) that tried to go on the straight and narrow by building up his practice (not even making it paycheck to paycheck).  The only person he is truly vindictive toward is Howard Hamlin.  And the backstory seems to be that Hamlin screwed over Saul's brother big time.  But he has definitely shown a ton more empathy that Walter White ever did.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2015, 04:18:57 PM
In terms of first episodes, I think BCS is doing a better job. But I do not believe that it will reach the same hights that BB did.

Okay, but that's an impossible standard.  BB at its best crushes just about everything (except the early seasons of The Sopranos).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mebert78 on February 27, 2015, 05:40:01 PM
Random question that I'm not sure has been addressed here or not, as I only did a quick scroll.  If I remember correctly from Breaking Bad, Mike was one of Gus's guys, right?  I remember a scene where Walt took Mike to Saul's office ater Gus was killed so they could meet.  Saul and Mike didn't know each other, from what I remember.  So, now we're being told in "Better Caul Saul" that Saul and Mike did, in fact, know each other all along?

IIRC, Saul sends Mike to clean up all the drug paraphernalia etc after Jane's drug overdose.

Yes, that's right!  Why did I think Mike was one of gus's guys the whole time? So mike had connections with both gus and saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 27, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
Yes, that's right!  Why did I think Mike was one of gus's guys the whole time? So mike had connections with both gus and saul.

Because Breaking Bad kind of was murky in Mike's relationship to Gus and Saul and which one was stronger.  At least that's how I remember it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on March 03, 2015, 10:33:15 AM
Probably my least favorite episode so far. It had some good bits, but I am 100% uninterested in Jimmy's elderly-law thing. Hopefully it won't be a thing for long. Also, the Chuck stuff works better when it's shorter.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on March 03, 2015, 12:35:48 PM
As with any prequel, the tough part is knowing the way things end up to some degree. For this, there's Kim Wexler. While things could end with Jimmy moving away and changing things, I have a bad feeling something bad happens to/with her at some point in the series.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 03, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
Probably my least favorite episode so far.

It felt like a calm before the storm episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 03, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
I enjoyed that episode a lot.  I thought the whole thing with Chuck was great, and the beginning of telling the Mike story was nice. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 03, 2015, 04:48:10 PM
I enjoyed that episode a lot.  I thought the whole thing with Chuck was great, and the beginning of telling the Mike story was nice.

I think we just enjoyed the previous episode so much, that this one was bound to feel less compelling.  And the Mike story seems set up for next week.

So do you think Hamlin is just worried about a disability claim or cashing out Chuck's share of the partnership?  Or do you think Chuck's problem was brought on by something related directly to the law firm?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 09, 2015, 09:26:12 PM
All I can say about tonight's episode is 'WOW'.....such a strong episode. Acting was top notch.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on March 10, 2015, 11:19:48 AM
Yeah the episode was really good. Really cool seeing Mike this way, and his entire fake-drunk-thing was awesome. Did we ever hear anything about his son in BB?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 10, 2015, 08:13:06 PM
No.  I believe there were two references to him being a cop before (the first in his "half measures" speech to Walt, and the second when Hank and Gomez interrogated him early in Season 5), but aside from Hank's comment about his career as a cop ending..."dramatically," there was nothing else.

Anyway, yeah, that was terrific last night. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 17, 2015, 05:19:32 AM
I enjoyed that episode a lot.  I thought the whole thing with Chuck was great, and the beginning of telling the Mike story was nice.

I think we just enjoyed the previous episode so much, that this one was bound to feel less compelling.  And the Mike story seems set up for next week.

So do you think Hamlin is just worried about a disability claim or cashing out Chuck's share of the partnership?  Or do you think Chuck's problem was brought on by something related directly to the law firm?

I think Saul mentions in one of the first episodes that Hamlin is more worried about Chuck bowing out of the company and taking his share of the company with him, meaning that Hamlin would have to sell the law firm to pay Chuck out, like 6 million dollars or something like that?  I may have that completely wrong. 

Just caught up on the last two episodes, really good stuff and some amazing acting from Jonathan Banks.  It was a relief (comic relief, lulz) to see Saul in this episode.  I miss his goofy ass when he's not around, especially with an episode as heavy as that.  I love that they're digging a bit deeper into Mike's story in this, he's definitely one of the characters in BB that deserved more attention. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: puppyonacid on March 17, 2015, 05:52:51 AM
I really enjoyed the shading in of Mikes back story. I thought Johnathon banks acted more in that one episode than he did in the entire BB series.

That might be a tad unfair though as he is really good at playing under stated.

Me and my Mrs are hooked on this series though. Excellent choice for a spin off. It has the potential to be a Frasier rather than a Joey.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 17, 2015, 09:53:11 AM
Last night's episode was pretty good.

I like how Saul was caught in the "you're in this with us" trap.  So he went after the Achilles Heel of every thief; you can't report the goods you've stolen ... stolen.

This guy stole our money.
What money?
The money we stole.
So you admit you stole the money?
No, we didn't steal it.  There is no money.
So the guy didn't steal any money then?
No, he stole it.  Arrest him.

It's funny because the wife managed deviously controlling and utterly clueless at the same time.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on March 17, 2015, 11:41:07 AM
Great episode. Cool to see the beginning of Saul and Mike's future working relationship.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dublagent66 on March 18, 2015, 11:16:38 AM
This series is showing some promise.  Mike is adding a whole new dimension to the storyline.  Starting to like it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on March 18, 2015, 11:27:55 AM
I'm all caught up on this show after last night. I'm loving it so far. I'm so happy it's not a bust.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fiery Winds on March 18, 2015, 11:37:49 AM
Really good episode. Halfway through I thought they were heading towards a big court case finale with Saul pulling a miracle out of his ass and Kim leaving HH&M to help out. Now that they settled that case, I'm really curious how they're going to end the season over the next 3 episodes.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on March 18, 2015, 11:40:32 AM
There's only three episodes left?? :eek
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fiery Winds on March 18, 2015, 11:58:49 AM
Yup. Breaking Bad only had a 7 episode first season, then went to 13 for seasons 2-4 (two sets of 8 for season 5). With the way things are going, I'm feeling good that we'll get a full 13 for next season.

EDIT: Season 2 is confirmed to have 13 episodes (https://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/06/19/amc-releases-first-photo-from-better-call-saul/275154/).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 18, 2015, 03:33:46 PM
Really good episode. Halfway through I thought they were heading towards a big court case finale with Saul pulling a miracle out of his ass and Kim leaving HH&M to help out. Now that they settled that case, I'm really curious how they're going to end the season over the next 3 episodes.

I had the same plot possibility going in my head as I was watching it.  That's what I like about the show so far.  As you are watching, there are quite a few possibilities about how something could play out.  And the one that actually plays out is the most surprising one.

The feeling I'm getting from the entire story arc of season 1 is simply:
Saul, by nature, is a scammer.  But he's trying to do the right thing with the idea that you push through doing things the right way and eventually people notice your integrity.  This is enforced by his brother saying exactly that.  And even though his brother is in a bad place now, he obviously at one time did very well based off his own advice. But every time he does the right thing, he just seems to get the short end of the stick.  But every time he runs a scam, he gets ahead.

Take a bribe from people that are douchebags anyway, get ahead.
White hat scam to get the douchebags back to the right deal that also helps his biggest friend, his dream of expanding gets compromised.

The whole season seems to be the theme that schemers get ahead.  Integrity's "feel good moment" is short-lived when the bill collectors are knocking at your door.

So he will eventually make the compromise that he will be that scheming lawyer, but justify it by scamming people he considers had it coming to them.

He's breaking relatively bad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2015, 06:43:48 PM
Betsy Kettleman is bat shit insane, but kinda hot, too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 18, 2015, 08:05:45 PM
Betsy Kettleman is bat shit insane, but kinda hot, too.

I'd even consider the character even somewhat effective.  She is a 1 to 2 step planner, and she's not bad at arranging those plans.  But she fails to connect steps 8 and 9 to steps 1 and 2 when it matters.  She's playing checkers to Saul's chess (overused, but fits)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on March 19, 2015, 07:45:37 AM
In terms of first episodes, I think BCS is doing a better job. But I do not believe that it will reach the same hights that BB did.

I wouldn't put money on that yet.  Saul Goodman is a more likeable character than Walter White.

Walter was kind of a dick with a superiority complex that tried to justify his bad behavior as necessary for his family.

Saul is a guy that is in a dick profession (lawyer) that tried to go on the straight and narrow by building up his practice (not even making it paycheck to paycheck).  The only person he is truly vindictive toward is Howard Hamlin.  And the backstory seems to be that Hamlin screwed over Saul's brother big time.  But he has definitely shown a ton more empathy that Walter White ever did.
I basically agree with this.

And I think that's part of why I'm really loving this show so far, more so than Breaking Bad. Both shows are fairly slow-moving, that's all part of the style (BB literally only kicked up the pace in the second half of season 5), but BB was all centred around Walt who was basically a bit of a dick. He was a fairly interesting character, and I do like the show, but I found it hard to care much about him and actually found myself caring more about a number of the more peripheral characters.

Whereas two of my favourite characters in BB were Mike and Saul, so a prequel show centering primarily on those two (at least so far) is much more up my alley and already I'm finding it really engaging. If the quality keeps up then I expect to end up liking it quite a lot more than BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on March 19, 2015, 07:52:03 AM
I'm glad that Mike is getting so much focus on the show. I thought he'd have a few things to do here and there but mostly be used as a bridge from the BB universe. I'm thrilled that he has a main role.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on March 19, 2015, 08:03:24 AM
Yeah, he's a really good character.

I think it also works well because we didn't really get to see that much of his character/personality/background in BB. Expanding him into a main character now makes sense, and I think we've already seen more variety and depth from him than in the whole of BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 19, 2015, 04:47:52 PM
Just caught up, great episode.  Some really awesome cinematography in it as well, which is always neece.  I'm not sure I'm as sucked in as was after 7 episodes of BB, but I'm still into it in a rather large way.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 19, 2015, 05:39:59 PM
If the quality keeps up then I expect to end up liking it quite a lot more than BB.

I definitely think BCSaul has a good chance of surpassing BBad, and I absolutely loved BB.

One thing is for sure.  I'm 100% sold on BCSaul being on its way to an all time classic show for me.  They'd have to have something pretty ridiculous happen for me to abandon it at this point.  Like most people, it gets recorded on my DVR.  Most TV shows (and even movies) don't get immediate viewing from me.  In fact, sometimes I let it build up 10 episodes and then binge watch those.  But not BCSaul.  As soon as I see that BCSaul icon in my recordings list, I press play.  If I'm in the middle of doing something that can wait, it waits.  Can't even think of another current show I have that gets that kind of fanaticism out of me.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on March 20, 2015, 09:52:01 AM
Some really awesome cinematography in it as well, which is always neece.
Good point. I think the cinematography so far has been at least on a par with the last two or three seasons of BB, which was a big step up from the first couple of seasons which were mostly a lot more straightforward.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 20, 2015, 10:12:06 AM
Coming from a guy who hasn't watched BB (yet) this series easily stands on it's own. I understand that there are characters and 'easter eggs' in BCS.....but as a stand alone series this is more than standing on it's own. It's very well written....as has been mentioned the cinematography has been great.....characters are strong....it's just a good series. I'm digging it for sure.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 20, 2015, 05:29:11 PM
Coming from a guy who hasn't watched BB (yet) this series easily stands on it's own.
Actually, I think it would be even better not having seen BB yet.  That is the biggest problem with a show going in the past.  Certain people you know 100% will not die.  And that was part of the BB thrill.  Is this guy (or chick) finally gonna get their come uppance?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 24, 2015, 12:47:40 AM
Another good episode.

I really liked the attorney sit down session.  Really showed the difference between the "standard" attorney and Saul.  Attorneys really do have a "hey, what you been up to?" talk that goes on between "enemy" attorneys.  Sometimes it is just separating work and personal, sometimes it is a veneer to catch others off guard.  Saul on the other hand definitely has a problem with being the "snarky" attorney.  It could be part of the reason real success is eluding him.  That and the "not a real college" thing brought out in this episode.

There is, however, lots of passive aggressive talk that happens.  "Oh were you not aware of that?" type of talk. 

Or an exchange like:
"Did you not catch that?  Should we have the deposition / meeting notes read back to you?"
"No.  I think we all understand what was said."
"Well, I think there's some doubt here, so let's just have it re-entered."

A way to jab and put an exclamation on a point they want repeated for effect, disguised as being helpful that everybody in the room knows is anything but.

But Saul is more straight forward snarky.  Which stems from his inferiority complex spelled out in greater detail this episode.

Great stuff.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 24, 2015, 04:16:46 AM
Yeah, cool episode.  Great to see Chuck laying the smack down on those jabroni lawyers.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on March 24, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
Good episode. While I didn't care at all about the whole 'elder law' thing in the first place, I'm glad it led to something bigger and that it wasn't just a pit stop in Jimmy's career. And to see him do some proper lawyering was fun, I hope there's more of that. Also, I'd love to see him in court some more. Maybe next week.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on March 24, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
Good episode. While I didn't care at all about the whole 'elder law' thing in the first place, I'm glad it led to something bigger and that it wasn't just a pit stop in Jimmy's career. And to see him do some proper lawyering was fun, I hope there's more of that. Also, I'd love to see him in court some more. Maybe next week.
Yep, agreed with all that, quality episode.

Somethings feels a little foreboding about it, as though something is going to go pretty hugely wrong. Maybe not, but something about it feels like it's not going as well as it seems.

Anyone else getting that feeling?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2015, 05:44:40 PM
Absolutely.

Chuck's firm will not be happy with him working with Jimmy on an outside case.

And I am curious where they go with Kim, since she is kind of caught in the middle.  Howard will not be pleased when he finds out she was helping them.

But yeah, killer episode last night.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 24, 2015, 08:31:15 PM
Absolutely.

Chuck's firm will not be happy with him working with Jimmy on an outside case.

And I am curious where they go with Kim, since she is kind of caught in the middle.  Howard will not be pleased when he finds out she was helping them.


This. Whatever settlement or the entire case is essentially going to get taken away from Jimmy.....he will miss some huge payday....like the $20mil Chuck said. Bummer for him....

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 24, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
My bet is they win the case for a sum near that $20mil.  And even though Chuck will be helpful, it will boil down to the legwork that Saul put in.  And also finding a not so obvious angle to win (like the lawyers credited Chuck with during the sit down).

Then Hamlin will sweep in and threaten that Chuck was faking the whole time to go out on his own, threatening not just his job and the little (for an attorney of his stature) they are paying, but pension .. etc. etc., putting him in a "watched my whole life's work go up in smoke" moment.

So Saul will agree to letting Hamlin not just take their share of the attorney fees, but the fame as well.  Just another notch in their belt, but it could have made Saul.  They might even add insult to injury and *allow* Saul to be part of some big winning team picture or news story, only to be just outside of frame.

It won't just be the money they lose.  It will be a full on ego rape.

At least that's my guess.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on March 25, 2015, 06:19:42 AM
What a fantastic episode. I can't get over how good this who actually is. It gets better every week. I can't really say much that hasn't already been said. I almost puked during the dumpster scene.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 25, 2015, 07:18:42 AM
My bet is they win the case for a sum near that $20mil.  And even though Chuck will be helpful, it will boil down to the legwork that Saul put in.  And also finding a not so obvious angle to win (like the lawyers credited Chuck with during the sit down).

Then Hamlin will sweep in and threaten that Chuck was faking the whole time to go out on his own, threatening not just his job and the little (for an attorney of his stature) they are paying, but pension .. etc. etc., putting him in a "watched my whole life's work go up in smoke" moment.

So Saul will agree to letting Hamlin not just take their share of the attorney fees, but the fame as well.  Just another notch in their belt, but it could have made Saul.  They might even add insult to injury and *allow* Saul to be part of some big winning team picture or news story, only to be just outside of frame.

It won't just be the money they lose.  It will be a full on ego rape.

At least that's my guess.

^^^^^^^What he said 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on March 25, 2015, 08:43:49 AM
I almost puked during the dumpster scene.
Yeah, they did a genuinely great job of making that really quite immersive and visceral. :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 25, 2015, 09:04:04 AM
Not just any dumpster scene.  A senior citizen's dumpster.  Some nice depends diapers in there.

Honestly, TV has gotten so loose with showing feces/vomit that it has ruined my "let's watch some TV while I eat my dinner" time.  So when I see a scene like the dumpster scene, I more or less turn my head and just listen to what is happening until it sounds like the next scene has begun.  If you guys are talking about puking, sounds like I made the right choice there.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 25, 2015, 07:37:47 PM
Anyone else catch the Kettleman's mail box?

(https://i.imgur.com/ey5Z61A.png)

That's awesome.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dimitrius on March 28, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
I'm catching up on the show today and the episode about Mike's past, what drove him to NM, that was just as great as anything done in BB!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 30, 2015, 09:41:48 PM
Tonight's episode.  So effing awesome.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 30, 2015, 09:45:46 PM
Tonight's episode.  So effing awesome.

Yep. Mike was cool....and man, I was hoping all along that it wasn't Chuck but alas....Chuck screwed his own brother due to his massive ego. Really good episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on March 30, 2015, 10:04:12 PM
I actually get Chuck's POV.  If someone on the forum got a Ph.D. from a diploma mill school that wasn't accredited, I wouldn't view them as my peer based on merit.  At this point, it seems like Jimmy is willing to grind out honest work and prove that he can do quality work, but Chuck either is willing to see or accept that Jimmy is making an honest go of it because he still see the conniving schemer he used to be, which is probably going to be the driving force into his transformation to Saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 30, 2015, 10:14:45 PM
Yep. Mike was cool....and man, I was hoping all along that it wasn't Chuck but alas....Chuck screwed his own brother due to his massive ego. Really good episode.

Every character was just so good tonight.  And the Hamlin character suddenly had a whole new dimension.

BTW, when Hamlin asked Kim to close the door and then the scene ended, my guess was the conversation was about her using HHM property to help the McGills with the initial legwork (from an episode or two ago) and he was threatening her job (again) and then possibly coming up with something like "we could sue the McGills for this resource theft."

And I just love the Nacho character so much as well.  The dude has the *speaking with facial expressions only* down to a science.  I'd say it has already surpassed Breaking Bad for me, but I don't want to jump the gun based off just 9 episodes.  Longevity is just as important.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 30, 2015, 10:19:36 PM
I actually get Chuck's POV.  If someone on the forum got a Ph.D. from a diploma mill school that wasn't accredited, I wouldn't view them as my peer based on merit.  At this point, it seems like Jimmy is willing to grind out honest work and prove that he can do quality work, but Chuck either is willing to see or accept that Jimmy is making an honest go of it because he still see the conniving schemer he used to be, which is probably going to be the driving force into his transformation to Saul.

I don't think his scheming is what will *drive* him to becoming Saul.  The disrespect (which means people will never base their opinion off his merit, but their bias) is what will drive him to Saul.  He won't fall back into Slippin' Jimmy because he falls back into bad habits.  Slippin' Jimmy will be his saving grace.  He has the education.  He has the work ethic.  He has the ability to read people extremely well (something that really is more of a personality trait than a book-learned one).

I *get* Chuck's POV.  And I disagree with it strongly.  Chuck is dead to me.  As Louis C.K. would say, he can suck a bag of dicks.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 31, 2015, 03:55:42 AM
Haven't finished watching the ep yet, just paused it to jump on here and say I let out a gasp when I saw Chuck and Jimmy sitting outside.  <3

EDIT:  Just finished.  Oh whoopdeedoo Chuck was outside.  Fuck him.

:lol

What a fantastic episode.  Jimmy spat some fucking venom, that was awesome.  I agree with Calvin, like I understand where Chuck is coming from but the whole 'people don't change' thing really got my goad.  I think he's bang out of order and I hope his kerosene stocks catch a spark.  What a cunt. 

Mike is a boss.  Was that psuedo they were delivering to Nacho?  I couldn't quite catch what he said it was. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 31, 2015, 08:12:18 AM
BTW, when Hamlin asked Kim to close the door and then the scene ended, my guess was the conversation was about her using HHM property to help the McGills with the initial legwork (from an episode or two ago) and he was threatening her job (again) and then possibly coming up with something like "we could sue the McGills for this resource theft."

I thought maybe since she said that Jimmy was her friend that Hammlin broke down and told her that Chuck was the one who told him not to hire Jimmy.....she takes that info and then knows that Jimmy will never get anywhere with Chuck backstabbing him and tries to convince Jimmy to take the deal/$$.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dimitrius on March 31, 2015, 08:53:18 AM
It was always gonna be Chuck that betrayed him! Chuck is defined by "Jimmy's the screw up and I'm not" he could not possibly ever see him as an equal.

Great episode!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 31, 2015, 09:39:02 AM
The last couple episodes have been really good. It'll be interesting to see how the first season wraps up.

I loved (in fact, it's probably my favorite of the whole season) the Mike scene in the parking garage  :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on March 31, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
Yeah awesome episode. The last scene between Jimmy and Chuck was both brilliantly written an brilliantly acted. Really painful to watch.

Mike was really cool as well.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 31, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
I loved (in fact, it's probably my favorite of the whole season) the Mike scene in the parking garage  :lol

yeah that was a great scene. you could feel it coming.....loved how he was just picking through the guys pockets and what not as he lay there choking  :lol And the fact the big dude took off running was a great exclamation point.

 
Yeah awesome episode. The last scene between Jimmy and Chuck was both brilliantly written an brilliantly acted. Really painful to watch.

You could get the sense even in the flashback that Chuck was not thrilled with the fact Jimmy became a Lawyer....and the manner in which he did it. Once he burst into the confession it was like years of pent up emotion unleashed.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2015, 03:03:39 PM
BTW, when Hamlin asked Kim to close the door and then the scene ended, my guess was the conversation was about her using HHM property to help the McGills with the initial legwork (from an episode or two ago) and he was threatening her job (again) and then possibly coming up with something like "we could sue the McGills for this resource theft."

I thought maybe since she said that Jimmy was her friend that Hammlin broke down and told her that Chuck was the one who told him not to hire Jimmy.....she takes that info and then knows that Jimmy will never get anywhere with Chuck backstabbing him and tries to convince Jimmy to take the deal/$$.
Yeah I think it was along these lines as well.

I understand where Chuck is coming from
I do not at all. He was an absolute douchebag, and considering the huge amount of time and energy that Jimmy has invested in trying to help and look after his brother, Chuck has ultimately treated him like crap. The episode was awesome, and made me feel really sorry for Jimmy.

I really like the fact that this show is really going into a lot of depth about aspects of Jimmy and Mike that made them so likeable in BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2015, 04:30:39 PM
"You can make it not easy." :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Mike is just so awesome. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

The Chuck/Jimmy thing we all sort of saw coming, but that was still brutal.  Definitely fantastic acting.

This show is so good.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 31, 2015, 04:51:10 PM
I know a lot of people probably disagree, but I might enjoy Saul Season 1 more than Breaking Bad Season 1.

Of course, Breaking Bad at its peak (seasons 3 and 4, for me) is probably a higher high than Saul will ever reach, but I've gotta say- this first season has been really (and somewhat surprisingly) satisfying.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 31, 2015, 06:35:25 PM
BTW, when Hamlin asked Kim to close the door and then the scene ended, my guess was the conversation was about her using HHM property to help the McGills with the initial legwork (from an episode or two ago) and he was threatening her job (again) and then possibly coming up with something like "we could sue the McGills for this resource theft."

I thought maybe since she said that Jimmy was her friend that Hammlin broke down and told her that Chuck was the one who told him not to hire Jimmy.....she takes that info and then knows that Jimmy will never get anywhere with Chuck backstabbing him and tries to convince Jimmy to take the deal/$$.
Yeah I think it was along these lines as well.
Of course that is what happened.  I'm talking about what was in my mind before that was revealed.  That's why I said Hamlin's character gained some massive depth in that 5-10 minute span.  He went from the arch villain to the patsy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: orcus116 on March 31, 2015, 07:32:05 PM
Definitely enjoying this although despite the show definitely being more lighthearted than BB I found the writing in the garage scene a little too canned comic relief and those other two guys almost comic booky. I didn't really get any enjoyment out of Mike kicking the crap out of that one guy because you knew it was coming the second he opened his mouth.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 31, 2015, 08:09:14 PM
That's why I said Hamlin's character gained some massive depth in that 5-10 minute span.  He went from the arch villain to the patsy.

This, exactly.  Hamlin/Chuck's character switch is an excellent piece of writing. 

I understand where Chuck is coming from
I do not at all. He was an absolute douchebag, and considering the huge amount of time and energy that Jimmy has invested in trying to help and look after his brother, Chuck has ultimately treated him like crap. The episode was awesome, and made me feel really sorry for Jimmy.

I just meant I got why he didn't want to be associated with Jimmy, because of his past etc, and because Chuck took the hard road and was incensed that Jimmy could shoot to the top on the back of one case, pretty much.  That doesn't make me like him any more.  I get his reasonings, I just don't sympathise with em.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Genowyn on March 31, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
Did anyone else notice that the guy who Mike beat up is the same actor as Trevor from Grand Theft Auto V?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 01, 2015, 12:34:04 AM
Definitely enjoying this although despite the show definitely being more lighthearted than BB I found the writing in the garage scene a little too canned comic relief and those other two guys almost comic booky. I didn't really get any enjoyment out of Mike kicking the crap out of that one guy because you knew it was coming the second he opened his mouth.

There are people just like that annoying dude in real life.  Big talkers.  Can't Walkers.

What I liked about that scene was the big fat dude running.  The point being, Mike kicked the prison bully's ass and the rest of the prison fell under his authority.  Mike instantly gained the "I don't need to fight.  I rule by intimidation because everybody knows I can fight."

Here's the Mike scene played out in a totally different environment with the same results.
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8_XO29_oA)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on April 02, 2015, 05:59:25 AM
This show is fantiastic. I hoped it wouldn't completely bomb and it has ended up being nothing short of amazing. I bet Chuck kills himself next episode.

I actually get Chuck's POV.  If someone on the forum got a Ph.D. from a diploma mill school that wasn't accredited, I wouldn't view them as my peer based on merit. 

I have to disagree with this. I had someone at my last job pissed at me because they went and got a masters degree in MIS and I was in the same position making the same pay holding only a bachelors. I would actually say Saul was smart for doing what he did. He saved money and is able to start on the ground floor with no debt. Chuck had to work his ass off just so he could pay off the $100K+ he probably owed his school. He's probably jealous of Saul. A good lawyer is a good lawyer, it doesn't matter where you went to school. Just like a good computer programmer is a good computer programmer. Hell, most of the world's best coders didn't go to college at all.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on April 02, 2015, 03:36:05 PM
I'm avoiding spoilers so I haven't checked in here. Quick question though, am I correct that there's only one episode left of the first season? Do we know when it'll air? Haven't decided whether or not to watch it season by season or wait for a few of them yet.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 02, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
Barto, the last episode of the season is next Monday.




No way will Chuck kill himself next week.  He didn't look like someone who had regret; he looked like someone who had been busted. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dimitrius on April 02, 2015, 05:43:33 PM
Chuck won't kill himself but he will definitely get himself blown up.

Twice during that last episode there was a distinct sound of gas being released from the canister and the show made a point of letting the audience hear it. And the doctor already said he could burn the house down because of using those canisters inside. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on April 02, 2015, 06:06:24 PM
I don't know who Chuck is and I don't care if he kills himself or not, but thanks for the update.  :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 02, 2015, 08:01:16 PM
He's probably jealous of Saul.

I definitely agree with this.  He has the superiority / inferiority thing going on at the same time.  He thinks he's better, but when he goes to sleep at night, he worries he is not.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 03, 2015, 08:31:09 AM
He's probably jealous of Saul.

I definitely agree with this.  He has the superiority / inferiority thing going on at the same time.  He thinks he's better, but when he goes to sleep at night, he worries he is not.

I think that's a safe bet. And, I'd venture to say that he knows deep down that Jimmy is 'smarter' than he is. Seems like Chuck may have the technical know how but when it comes to the presentation and personality Chuck knows Jimmy has something that no school can teach.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on April 03, 2015, 08:37:59 AM
He's probably jealous of Saul.

I definitely agree with this.  He has the superiority / inferiority thing going on at the same time.  He thinks he's better, but when he goes to sleep at night, he worries he is not.

I think that's a safe bet. And, I'd venture to say that he knows deep down that Jimmy is 'smarter' than he is. Seems like Chuck may have the technical know how but when it comes to the presentation and personality Chuck knows Jimmy has something that no school can teach.

I think Jimmy has the ability to read and predict people's reactions in way that many people can't.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 03, 2015, 01:02:14 PM
Seems like Chuck may have the technical know how but when it comes to the presentation and personality Chuck knows Jimmy has something that no school can teach.

I think Chuck only has the law vocabulary over Jimmy/Saul.  Saul actually proved a couple of times with Chuck that he has the law down, and Chuck begrudgingly said Saul was right with something like "that's right --- more or less".

And Saul definitely has the social skills and psychology manipulation of people down way better than Chuck.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
I don't think that's fair to say, since we really haven't seen Chuck in action yet, except when he quickly laid the smack down on those lawyers with his "20 million dollars or we'll see you in court" line. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 06, 2015, 08:39:06 AM
Plus of course the way he's been manipulating Jimmy for years.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 06, 2015, 10:44:36 AM
Plus of course the way he's been manipulating Jimmy for years.

That's not using your brain.  That's using your bloodline to take advantage.  It is pretty low and even those with below average IQs can work that.  It just takes being a scumbag.  Never go into business with family.  That's why.  You give family infinite chances and put up with insubordination that would normally result in a few write ups and then a firing.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 07, 2015, 09:02:43 AM
Interesting way to end the season. I guess that answers why Jimmy never made it big time. He chose not to. He had the chance and decided to turn his back on it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 07, 2015, 12:52:29 PM
That episode fell flat.  His turn at the end felt like a cheap cop-out by the writers, especially after he seemed to genuinely care for his clients in that scene at Marco's place.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 07, 2015, 01:02:19 PM
That episode fell flat.  His turn at the end felt like a cheap cop-out by the writers, especially after he seemed to genuinely care for his clients in that scene at Marco's place.

It did seem like the easy way out. I expected him to be 'burned' in some way.....not to just go full 180 in his moral outlook. I mean, he just dissed that chick (forgot her name) who has been looking out for him the whole time and even Hammlin in a way.

I don't know if that was their way of saying that his entire aspiration of becoming a lawyer and being 'good' was based on trying to make Chuck proud.....and now that he understands Chuck doesn't respect him at all as a lawyer....he'd just sayingn 'F' it and he's going back to what he knows best? But like you said....it could have been developed much more rather than a two minute scene at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on April 07, 2015, 01:49:25 PM
I thought it was great, and I fully bought his change of heart. This has been a fantastic season of television, and I'm very much looking forward to more. I'm guessing there'll be more? I haven't heard anything.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 07, 2015, 01:58:59 PM
I thought it was great, and I fully bought his change of heart.

I did too.....just would have preferred to have more than the final scene dedicated to the 'switch' I know the whole episode was basically it.....but, I'd have liked to see a bit more at the end
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dimitrius on April 07, 2015, 04:56:07 PM
I think my favorite thing about the show so far has been when they elaborate on those little things that, at the time, seem like throwaway lines Saul said on Breaking Bad.

Case in point:

(https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.everyjoe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fsaul-goodman-kevin-costner.gif&key=rUqsYoarlXXdZqy20TY61w&w=480&h=246)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
Yep, as soon as I heard the Dances With Wolves comment in a voiceover, I thought, "Oh man, here comes the Kevin Costner thing he once talked about to Walt." :lol :lol

Overall, I thought the finale was good, but a bit underwhelming.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on April 07, 2015, 08:49:27 PM
I hope everyone saw the 2112 poster in that episode?

I was kinda disappointed with the ending, though overall it was a great episode again. I would have preferred it he got the job, worked the case, and pushed it ahead shining brighter than his brother. To me that would have been a far better "fuck you" to him than effectively turning his back on the straight lifestyle and apparently relapsing in slipping Jimmy again.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: emblempride on April 08, 2015, 05:59:15 AM
I dunno if it's as black and white as him running back to his old ways though. For a prequel, this show has managed to keep in line with Breaking Bad in that it's damn near impossible to predict what's going to happen the next hour the rolls by, only for things to feel like that's the only way the story could have ever gone. Gilligan and Gould have got my trust my on that, and this just feels like another cliffhanger. I don't think Jimmy's pulling a simple "fuck it" routine. Plus, he's not Saul Goodman yet, and I don't think Saul would even do that with the money involved. All we were given was him driving off and the implications of him declining the offer. It seemed obvious while waiting for BB's Season 4 premiere that Gus wasn't going to be walking on sunshine when he confronted Walt, but nobody anticipated Box Cutter, right?

I mean, to me, it's not a stretch for him to be faced with an inner conflict that would ultimately lead to self-sabotage even when the answer's right there in front of you. I mean, I think we've all met a few people desensitized by the world constantly leaving a stinky steamer on their good intentions. Jimmy's clearly dedicated the past 10 years of his life to showing Chuck that he didn't make the wrong decision in bringing him to Albuquerque, and, as we know, the irony is that Jimmy did having everything going for him except the very person that brought him out of the shitter in the first place. It only takes for one moment where things click, like finding out that your brother and literal hero has been working against you from the beginning, for this perfect schema you've been managing to come crashing down, even if it's just for long enough to fuck your life up. Shit, to realize that not only was Chuck against him, but was in fact everything he hated about Hamlin the whole time? Everything that's happened to Jimmy in the past two weeks save that sudden offer could very well leave him thinking like he only has one clear choice with what he's got.

However, as I said earlier, that might not be the case. He could be driving off with a better plan in mind, using a con man's wit to manipulate the case back under his total control. Maybe he heard himself having to use McGill for the firm name and, despite his fight with Hamlin to use it, might just abandon it for Goodman. This could just be the first, and most ethically unchallenged, instance where we see Slippin' Jimmy make use of his law degree. It would mean bypassing the climbing of the ranks and minutiae he would have had to endure at HHM and lead him straight to Francesca and his own modest office. I feel like after all this shit with Chuck, the perks like that great office with the view next to Chuck's don't matter as much as his independent success.

Or he, Walt, Jesse, Mike, Huell, and Tio could just poison Sandpiper's reps with ricin, it's just so difficult to predict with Gilligan, the bastard.

As for the ep itself, I thought it was top notch as was the rest of the seriesl. I think it felt slower because it was the first episode in a while to not have any tension, but I don't think BCS needs it all the time anyways, not even for the finale since the last bunch have been heavyweights. Loving the whole 40's vibe to the show, from that sweet montage to Mike's noir adventures. Also, Marco's on The Last Man on Earth, which is great too.

Let me leave this here, in honor of Vince Gilligan's basing his decision on hiring Bob Odenkirk on Mr. Show. Intentionally have it starting sometime into the video on a certain sketch with a certain special guest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mav6X49fbTs&t=4m1s
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 08, 2015, 07:31:46 AM
I think my favorite thing about the show so far has been when they elaborate on those little things that, at the time, seem like throwaway lines Saul said on Breaking Bad.

Case in point:

(https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.everyjoe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fsaul-goodman-kevin-costner.gif&key=rUqsYoarlXXdZqy20TY61w&w=480&h=246)
Ah that's pretty neat, didn't notice that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: emblempride on April 08, 2015, 03:47:19 PM
Just a bit from a supposed lawyer on reddit, gives some context to Jimmy's turnaround.

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I'm seeing a lot of people complaining that Jimmy turning away from the firm offer he had doesn't make a lot of sense, but a lot of it seems to me to stem from this idea that partnership track=guaranteed to become partner and that partners at these firms are Mitt Romney rich.

Partnership-track only means that partnership is on the table, there is no guarantee. Assuming generously that instead of being brought in as a first year associate, they would put Jimmy on track with a 4th year, he would still have 4-5 years to be up for partner.

Partners at even the most profitable nationwide firms may make 7 figures but usually not mid or high 7 figures. Given that this firm is a big regional firm based out of Santa Fe, I would imagine the partners aren't getting past 1.5 million/year if even that much.

Compare to this to what Saul Goodman makes. Even being conservative, we see him rake in 6 figures in deals made in a single day, 7 figure finders' fees, etc. Saul Goodman can make more in a day than Jimmy McGill would have made in a year at that big firm (and the fact that he walked away from 800k in the Kettlesituation made him realize as much).

At the moment where he is walking into the courthouse, Jimmy realizes that he really enjoyed his week with Marco. He likes being sleazy and skirting the law and he's damn good at it. And now he's "slippin' Jimmy with a law degree" (in Chuck's words/echoed in how surprised Marco is that slippin' Jimmy is a lawyer and not making bank).

So, his option is to take the job and work insane hours, spending 60-80+ hours/week reviewing documents, on a computer doing legal research, drafting motions, briefs etc. for low to eventually mid 6 figures and a shot at partner making maybe low 7 figures OR to embrace Slippin' Jimmy, realize pleasing Chuck is a futile task, and do the thing he really loves and enjoys for way, way more money.

Seems like a good choice to me and his time with Marco combined with the Kettlemoney (and Chuck's "slippin' Jimmy with a law degree" comment) made it a reasonable time for him to make the decision too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 08, 2015, 08:58:57 PM
That ending was great.

There were two things holding Saul back from becoming an eventual partner with a big law firm.

1.  Confidence:  He just spent the last few years trying to win Chuck's approval.  He figured Chuck had his best interest at heart and when Chuck would tell him that he wasn't ready or just had to work a little harder, he believed it.  The call from the clients and Hamlin's / Kim's vote of confidence confirmed he was ready.  He needed a 3rd party to say "we believe in you".
2.  Freedom:  When he works under somebody, he feels like he is steered in the wrong direction.  He has the degree, but more importantly he has good instincts.  When he puts those instincts aside and trusts his *superiors* have the better path, he always ended up getting the short end of the stick.

It is what the entire first season arc led up to.  It was done brilliantly.

As far as Chuck helping him out?  How?
1.  Got him out of jail facing prison time.  He might have actually been better in prison earning his law degree there.
2.  Got him a job.  At a mailroom?  You don't need a high powered attorney referral to get that type of job.  He could have done that all on his own.  And he basically did.
3.  Got him an education (law degree).  Saul did that all on his own.
4.  Put him on a good case to prove his worth.  Saul, once again, did that all on his own.  Kim helped him more by suggesting elder law.

All Chuck did was give him bad advice and put up roadblocks that wouldn't have been there had he done all of these things on his own. 

Chuck was the Phantom Menace the entire time.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: emblempride on April 09, 2015, 05:10:12 PM
For the most part, I agree with you, but I don't think Jimmy had any interest in becoming a lawyer until Chuck got him into the mail room. Not to mention that even if he had studied in prison, a registered sex offender would have an infinite road of shit waiting for him.Ultimately, Chuck did save his ass in that moment but had no confidence it would last, even after 10 years. The whole "hero" scam exacerbated his lack of faith. He gave him a chance, yeah, but he never thought much would come from it. Certainly didn't expect, and certainly won't accept, that Jimmy could actually be on par with him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 09, 2015, 05:53:56 PM
What good is pointing somebody in a direction if you only plan to set up roadblocks?  And did Chuck ever actually point him in the direction of "attorney" as a career, or was his career path mail room > legal secretary?

I think the point is Chuck gave Saul an inferiority complex.  But Saul always had the goods, whether it be attorney or business proprietor.  He has leadership qualities that, for the most part, you just can't teach.

The meaning of him telling Mike "that" was never going to hold him back again could be extrapolated in many different ways.  But mainly it was the new belief that he can rely on others, but he doesn't have to.  If his instincts go against what others tell him is "the right way", he will now trust his instincts.  The whole season was putting him in situations where he listened to advice, it failed.  He went on instinct, he succeeded.  That was set in stone with Chuck's betrayal and his visit back to his kicking grounds (BTW, loved the Nigerian scam)

And by extension, not worrying about what is "the right thing to do" according to dogma.  But that goes back to his instincts.  I don't think he is about to go off and become mr. slimy attorney.  They kind of hinted when he told Marco he wasn't running a scam on the senior citizens.  He did it not just for his career, but because he actually cared about their well being.  And he was put in many similar situations:  the skaters and Nacho being a big one in the beginning.

And I really love the Nacho character.  I'm in agony knowing how long I will have to wait for Season 2.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 09, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
That episode fell flat.

Yeah, I felt a little disappointed by it - it was less engaging than the other ep's - however I don't feel like the turn was a cop out.  There was a whole episode of build up towards it, and the dude in that reddit thread seems to have nailed it.  I felt the cinematography was a bit below par with this episode, even bordering on cheesy at times.  Much different to how its been.  I think overall it was a pretty disappointing end to an absolutely stellar season, very much looking forward to season 2.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: emblempride on April 09, 2015, 07:44:33 PM
What good is pointing somebody in a direction if you only plan to set up roadblocks?  And did Chuck ever actually point him in the direction of "attorney" as a career, or was his career path mail room > legal secretary?

I think the point is Chuck gave Saul an inferiority complex.  But Saul always had the goods, whether it be attorney or business proprietor.  He has leadership qualities that, for the most part, you just can't teach.

The meaning of him telling Mike "that" was never going to hold him back again could be extrapolated in many different ways.  But mainly it was the new belief that he can rely on others, but he doesn't have to.  If his instincts go against what others tell him is "the right way", he will now trust his instincts.  The whole season was putting him in situations where he listened to advice, it failed.  He went on instinct, he succeeded.  That was set in stone with Chuck's betrayal and his visit back to his kicking grounds (BTW, loved the Nigerian scam)

And by extension, not worrying about what is "the right thing to do" according to dogma.  But that goes back to his instincts.  I don't think he is about to go off and become mr. slimy attorney.  They kind of hinted when he told Marco he wasn't running a scam on the senior citizens.  He did it not just for his career, but because he actually cared about their well being.  And he was put in many similar situations:  the skaters and Nacho being a big one in the beginning.
Oh no, totally, I agree with you essentially. Chuck's actions were indefensible. Jimmy's not quite Saul yet. My point was that Chuck did help (not that it was even fully voluntarily, as the mother had to ask I believe) Jimmy in getting out of that tough, possibly damning situation, and that it didn't seem that he had much interest in law before that. That was the catalyst, but everything else was all Jimmy's wit and work ethic.

I felt the cinematography was a bit below par with this episode, even bordering on cheesy at times.  Much different to how its been.  I think overall it was a pretty disappointing end to an absolutely stellar season, very much looking forward to season 2.
I could kinda understand as it was a slower episode, but I think the only thing that's really struck me as cheesy this season was the scene where Chuck is running around outside. Not the great space blanket long shots, but the shaky cam closeups, typical body rig stuff to give a manic sense of hysteria. Other than that though, I've been loving it! A nice 40's kinda feel to the whole thing. I actually really enjoyed that montage.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 09, 2015, 07:53:57 PM
Oh no, totally, I agree with you essentially.
Yeah.  We are more or less agreeing, just looking at the same thing from different angles, both being right.

Overall, I loved the first season.  The only thing that had me second guessing whether I would like it or not was how they were going to use Jonathan Banks.  Couldn't be happier with his role as Mike in this.

Also, I'm very glad Chuck didn't die.  The other poster on this thread was very convincing with the foreshadowing of the possible gas explosion.  I didn't want it to happen, but they brought up some good points that had thinking it was very possible (and still possible).  We don't need characters dying off left and right like we did in Breaking Bad.  It made sense in BB, but it would seem like easy exits for Better Call Saul.

I'm guessing Saul will never reach the attorney heights that Chuck already has based off what happens in Breaking Bad (and especially the opening of Better Call Saul).  I really don't want the series finale to be Saul and Walter's paths crossing.  I want that to happen mid to mid-late series so we can get some "oh that's what Saul was up to when Walt was pissing everybody off" moments.  So much opportunity for the to be an all time great TV series.

Knew Odenkirk pre-BB, and loved him pre-BB.  Didn't know Nacho pre-BB, but I am loving his character immensely.  Didn't know Banks pre-BB, and who doesn't want more Mike?  This show is just so character driven.  Dynamic characters.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 09, 2015, 09:24:15 PM
I felt the cinematography was a bit below par with this episode, even bordering on cheesy at times.  Much different to how its been.  I think overall it was a pretty disappointing end to an absolutely stellar season, very much looking forward to season 2.
I could kinda understand as it was a slower episode, but I think the only thing that's really struck me as cheesy this season was the scene where Chuck is running around outside. Not the great space blanket long shots, but the shaky cam closeups, typical body rig stuff to give a manic sense of hysteria. Other than that though, I've been loving it! A nice 40's kinda feel to the whole thing. I actually really enjoyed that montage.

Y'know, I didn't mind that body rig scene too much tbh.  This season is 90% certified fresh in terms of cinematography in my opinion. I thought a couple of really minor shots on this last episode were a bit borderline for my taste.  And I didn't like the 'hustle montage', though I feel like it was done as a bit of a piss take.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 09, 2015, 10:45:40 PM
And I didn't like the 'hustle montage', though I feel like it was done as a bit of a piss take.

You can't have a montage scene without the "Take it to the Limit" or "The Best Around" song playing.  Rookie mistake.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 09, 2015, 10:46:54 PM
'Yew need a montaaaage! Even Rocky had a montaage!'
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on April 10, 2015, 06:15:09 AM
I thought that was a little lack-luster of a finale. I was hoping for some serious shit to go down. I still really liked this season and can't wait for #2.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on April 23, 2015, 05:54:42 AM
So how does everyone think this show will end? Let's assume it's a success and can go a few season. Will it eventually get to the point where BCS is taking place during the same time period of BB? Will it end with Saul meeting Walter White for the first time?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2015, 06:58:35 AM
I don't think him meeting Walter will really be a big enough point to end the show on. Honestly, I have no clue when or how it will end, and I'm quite alright with that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 23, 2015, 01:21:05 PM
Will it eventually get to the point where BCS is taking place during the same time period of BB?
I hope so.  I love that type of stuff.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
So how does everyone think this show will end? Let's assume it's a success and can go a few season. Will it eventually get to the point where BCS is taking place during the same time period of BB? Will it end with Saul meeting Walter White for the first time?

 ??? We've already seen that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 23, 2015, 05:16:36 PM
It'd be good to end it with Saul moving into the building he's in on BB
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 23, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
How long in the current world of Better Call Saul will it be until he'd meet Walt? Are we talking 5?6..7 years or is right around the corner?

For those of you who've watched BB....and seen the pace of this show.....what's the "best guess" as to how many seasons they can get out of it? And, could they pull off the show if it caught up to BB time without showing any Walt? Was Saul a huge part of BB?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2015, 08:43:55 PM
I think like five years.

Saul first appeared in Breaking Bad in I think the 8th episode of Season 2, but the first two seasons of BB only covered like two months in the storyline (and the show itself covered two years, even though it went from 2008-2013), so yeah, about five years.  They can cover a shit ton of ground before getting to when Saul first met Walt and Jesse.

Personally, whenever Better Call Saul does end, I think it will cover his post-BB arc (which for non-BB viewers, you saw a glimpse of in the pilot's cold opening).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on April 24, 2015, 06:13:36 AM
I did remember reading way back when that Better Call Saul was going to hop around in the time line.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 10, 2016, 06:26:09 PM
Season 2 begins next Monday!!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on February 10, 2016, 08:56:43 PM
Woot wooooot! I just watched the first season on flix of the net and I am so ready.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on February 11, 2016, 05:45:11 AM
Can't wait!  I was really surprised by the first season by how much I loved it. This should be a fun season as well I'm hoping.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on February 11, 2016, 09:20:15 AM
Can't wait!  I was really surprised by the first season by how much I loved it. This should be a fun season as well I'm hoping.

Me too. I think a lot of people were surprised with how great the show actually turned out. I think most people expected an AMC cash grab and the milking of a character. I don't think that's the case here. I think without Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul would have held up just fine on its own.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 11, 2016, 10:20:51 AM
Can't wait!  I was really surprised by the first season by how much I loved it. This should be a fun season as well I'm hoping.

Me too. I think a lot of people were surprised with how great the show actually turned out. I think most people expected an AMC cash grab and the milking of a character. I don't think that's the case here. I think without Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul would have held up just fine on its own.

I'm a huge fan and I've never watched one episode of Breaking Bad. This show is great as a stand alone. I'm sure knowing the 'easter eggs' makes it more enjoyable....but I loved the first season without having any frame of reference other than what they showed.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike099 on February 11, 2016, 12:06:40 PM
Can't wait!  I was really surprised by the first season by how much I loved it. This should be a fun season as well I'm hoping.

Me too. I think a lot of people were surprised with how great the show actually turned out. I think most people expected an AMC cash grab and the milking of a character. I don't think that's the case here. I think without Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul would have held up just fine on its own.

I'm a huge fan and I've never watched one episode of Breaking Bad. This show is great as a stand alone. I'm sure knowing the 'easter eggs' makes it more enjoyable....but I loved the first season without having any frame of reference other than what they showed.

My son and son in law tried watching Breaking Bad, but could not get into the show.  Besides the characters in BCS and BB appearing in both shows, the dented trash can in BCS was in BB, but was a towel dispenser.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on February 11, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
I honestly don't understand how someone can't get into Breaking Bad. Whether you cook/use meth or not, the show is outstanding.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 11, 2016, 12:16:48 PM
While I agree, Breaking Bad is fantastic, it requires a lot of patience at times.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 11, 2016, 12:21:15 PM
I honestly don't understand how someone can't get into Breaking Bad. Whether you cook/use meth or not, the show is outstanding.

Now that I have Netflix I fully intend to Binge Watch the series. I'm just trying to allow myself the proper time to do it because I know that once I start watching I won't stop until I'm done.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 11, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
While I agree, Breaking Bad is fantastic, it requires a lot of patience at times.

My brother told me that once I made it past the first four or five episodes of season 1 that it really starts to hit it's stride then. Is that a fair comment from him?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 11, 2016, 12:24:16 PM
I can tell you that there was a very humorous scene on the second episode that made me go "Yeah, ok, I'm gonna watch this entire series".

But yeah, the best comes in the latest episode in series 1, and it's the weakest of them all. It starts good and it gets even better, or "worse" according to the title of the show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on February 11, 2016, 12:35:48 PM
While I agree, Breaking Bad is fantastic, it requires a lot of patience at times.

My brother told me that once I made it past the first four or five episodes of season 1 that it really starts to hit it's stride then. Is that a fair comment from him?

Yeah. Season 1 is good, but there's a lot of setting up that it needs to take care of. Season 2 starts at full throttle, and it basically doesn't stop until the final episode of the series. Granted, there are episodes that are more intensive, sadder, darker, etc.. than others, but I never once watched an episode and thought "well that just just a filler" like I seem to do 5 or 6 times a season with TWD. I hate saying it because so many people do, but BB was easily one of the best shows I've every watched. Usually when I watch a series for a second time, it's years after the first run. With Breaking Bad, I watched it again as soon as I finished.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 11, 2016, 12:41:15 PM
While I agree, Breaking Bad is fantastic, it requires a lot of patience at times.

My brother told me that once I made it past the first four or five episodes of season 1 that it really starts to hit it's stride then. Is that a fair comment from him?

I suppose. I think by then you've decided if you want to continue. But it is slowly paced sometimes all the way through. It's really good, but slowly paced.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on February 11, 2016, 03:40:40 PM
It's definitely a slow burner at times. I really love the series and while it's certainly not perfect, it's probably one of the only shows I've seen that I'd want to call it perfect. It absolutely benefits from binging though and really cuts down on the slow pacing of things.

I'll also say that while it's nothing major and it's all about how much you give a shit about it and what you take from it, but there are a lot of homages and nods to the series in Saul; some overt, some hidden away, but they're all really cool. After binging BCS and watching it a second time I noticed a handful of things that I hadn't noticed at first and it's just so damn satisfying to catch that stuff and puts a real special flavor to the show. There aren't many shows (actually for the ones I've watched, none) that have this much detail between the two of them and still connect them pretty much to as perfect a T as you can get.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 16, 2016, 11:02:09 AM
No one talking about this?

I thought the episode was great. Awesomely written dialogue and fantastic acting. I am very interested to see the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 16, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
The kick off episode was good.  Made me realize I probably should have at least rewatched Season 1 or at least read a brief summary because when it started I had to think "now where exactly were we last."

Felt like one of those *slow burn* episodes Uncle brought up.  Lot's of good small things happened, but we basically ended the episode where we began.  The episode was a brief detour toward the inevitable.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on February 16, 2016, 12:43:05 PM
While I agree, Breaking Bad is fantastic, it requires a lot of patience at times.

My brother told me that once I made it past the first four or five episodes of season 1 that it really starts to hit it's stride then. Is that a fair comment from him?
I dunno, it picks up and is a strong show, but I definitely don't find it as mindblowing as a lot of people seem to. Personally, I think BCS is quite a bit stronger so far.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on February 17, 2016, 01:09:28 AM
Fucking love this show SO MUCH. Fantastic episode. Annnd the amazingly satisfying BB homages and nods just keep getting better. My jaw was agape when we saw "KENWINS". Then...THE TEQUILA. WHAAAAAT. That was so fucking awesome. Necessary? Not at all and you won't be missing storyline shit if you didn't see BB but that isn't to say you're not missing out because you are. A lot, in my opinion. It is SO. SATISFYING. I love that shit and I have a feeling they'll keep piling up.

Otherwise, awesome episode and I cannot wait to dive into this festival of debauchery and treachery.

Also +100 for the music.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 17, 2016, 02:33:31 AM
The Breaking Bad references are nice, but I also like the inner-episode comparisons. 

Saul gets put in a situation with an easy way out, but setting off the mall alarm could bring the police.  He plays it out in his head and considers the police could catch on to his false identity.  Meanwhile, Daniel the pharmacist calls the cops, bringing them to the scene is what is essentially a turf war in which he's directly involved.  Clearly, he's alerted the cops to his strange activities.  Daniel is also a precursor to Walter White.

No single moment is a mindblower, but all the little details add up to well written episodes.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 17, 2016, 03:18:56 AM
Slow burn fo sho.  Glad to see it back tho.  And glad to see Saul finally get some sweet sweet lawyer bonerlage.

Hummer guy is such a douchenugget. 

Missed the BB references tho...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bolsters on February 17, 2016, 04:34:28 AM
Pretty sure the white cop who came to check out Daniel's place is the same one from the episode where Skyler calls the cops when Walter moves back in.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: kaos2900 on February 17, 2016, 07:15:16 AM
I'll be watching the new Saul tonight, but in regards to Breaking Bad. I found it to be a good show but not a great show. I watched it a year or so and I think it was so over hyped that I was let down overall. Worth watching, but not the greatest of all time.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on February 17, 2016, 11:04:20 AM
Pretty sure the white cop who came to check out Daniel's place is the same one from the episode where Skyler calls the cops when Walter moves back in.

Duuuude nice catch! That's awesome.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 17, 2016, 11:30:18 AM
I think it was so over hyped that I was let down overall.

this is what I think would happen in my case. my brother has hyped this show so much that I don't see how it can live up to how highly regarded he has it. That's why' I've yet to make the plunge. If I can get away with watching BCS without really needing to see BB other than missing some Easter Eggs....I'll probably never watch BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 17, 2016, 11:35:24 AM
I think you should see it. It's not one of my all time favorites either, and it is over hyped, but I still think it's a show you should see if you're into TV series in general. It's not always super good, but when it is, it's sooo good.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on February 17, 2016, 01:08:57 PM
I think you should see it. It's not one of my all time favorites either, and it is over hyped, but I still think it's a show you should see if you're into TV series in general. It's not always super good, but when it is, it's sooo good.
Yeah, there is the occasional moment that is absolutely superb. I'd agree with you - not mindblowing but definitely worth watching.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on February 17, 2016, 01:26:10 PM
I'm one of the people that think it's one of the greatest television shows ever created and always will be. But I'll also say that hype, ever single time, is a load of bullshit. Fuck hype. Watch it and if you like it, keep watching and you'll more than likely only end up loving it; if you're not so much into it, give it a chance and maybe it'll turn (this is how it was for me); and if you hate it then you hate it and the world will keep on spinning.

Hype has never done anything good for anything. Never. Not in my case at least. It's always been nothing but a fucking deluge of cumshots by rabid, deluded, blinded-by-excitement fans and ended up making me think something was going to be way better than it actually (or that I thought) it was. If you go into it with a level head, chances are you'll see it more clearly. Which in the end means only good things considering if you were going to dislike/hate it anyway, it'll just be less intense and if you were going to like it, you'll probably end up liking it more than if you thought you'd gain eternal life and a ten inch dick and a side of a hit of ecstasy from watching it (or playing it or listening to it or whatever insanely stupid hype is built up for whatever).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 17, 2016, 05:15:15 PM
Anyone else notice the tequila bottle was the same one Gus gave to Don Eladio in Breaking Bad's Salud episode?

Also, the Ken guy was clearly meant to be the KENWINS guy from the 4th episode of BB Season 1 (although I think it was a different actor).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on February 17, 2016, 11:17:34 PM
Yup, I posted about both earlier on; Ken is the same actor. Cool stuff indeed.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 18, 2016, 03:19:27 AM
Feels good to have the show back! Exciting months ahead, TWD, BCS and soon also Vikings followed by Fear of the walk... and of course GoT!  :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: kaos2900 on February 18, 2016, 06:28:23 AM
Loved the new episode. This show has exceeded all of my expectations and to be honest I enjoy it more than Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 19, 2016, 09:50:07 PM
Yup, I posted about both earlier on; Ken is the same actor. Cool stuff indeed.

My bad.

But yeah, definitely cool stuff. :coolio
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on February 22, 2016, 09:37:37 PM
S2, E2.....started slow, but so worth it.

Gawd, how we do love Mike.

And 'Boston creampie', along with the later comments of 'shedding real tears'  :lol

From the start to the little twist at the end, a damn well crafted and written episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 23, 2016, 01:51:04 AM
Loved tonight's episode.

Now time for X-Files.  Better Call Saul I couldn't watch fast enough.  X-Files, I'm almost dreading.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 23, 2016, 01:59:45 AM
How fucking annoying is hummer guy.  jesus.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 23, 2016, 02:00:50 AM
berry
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on February 23, 2016, 02:46:49 PM
"Are you still morally flexible?".

Brilliant line. :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
How fucking annoying is hummer guy.  jesus.

Well, that is pretty much the point.  He is comically annoying.

The look on Mike's face when he talked about wanting to get his baseball cards back was priceless. :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on February 23, 2016, 09:28:33 PM
Hoboken squat cobbler ftw.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on February 23, 2016, 10:46:53 PM
I thought the episode was great.

Maybe it's because I'm not a lawyer, but why is it so much worse to fabricate evidence than to just flat out make a story up and lie to the police, protecting a drug dealer?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Genowyn on February 23, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
I think because the evidence could someday be used in court.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 23, 2016, 10:52:25 PM
Because he can say he didn't lie, but just repeated what the client told him.

But fabricating evidence has a bit more fingerprints.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 23, 2016, 10:54:39 PM
Also hot Kim said to never tell her that type of story again, for at least two reasons.  So she doesn't have to testify against (or knowingly lie) for him.  And because she values her job and would be pretty pissed if his recklessness took her down with him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on February 24, 2016, 10:36:47 AM
Something pointed out to me:  note that Kim never said 'don't do it again', but 'don't tell me if you do'.

And how Jimmy's face just went blank after that line, much like when he knew his brother was at the firm.  Also found out that the 'douchebag' in Episode 1 was the same one that Walter White met at the gas station.....

This episode was the first on of BB and BCS that my wife and I watched 'live'.  We were late to the game on both series.  It is nice to have time to reflect as well as anticipate.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2016, 05:05:20 PM
How fucking annoying is hummer guy.  jesus.

Well, that is pretty much the point.  He is comically annoying.

The look on Mike's face when he talked about wanting to get his baseball cards back was priceless. :lol :lol :lol :lol

His and Mike's exchanges have been the highlights of the last two episodes for me.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 24, 2016, 05:31:00 PM
Hummer guys is a bit over the top.

Never really thought about it until now, but a successful formula for the obligatory dumb people for TV/movie is probably:

- small role:  annoyingly dumb (cellphone stockbroker guy)
- recurring and somewhat important role: loveable idiot

I still like Hummer guy when watching, but when I reflect on his role I'm not as sold.

"Are you still morally flexible?".

Brilliant line. :lol

And the correct response is "I'm an attorney.  Of course I am."  If you are a criminal defense attorney, it is more or less part of the job description.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on February 29, 2016, 11:35:39 PM
We are now watching the old and the new episode each night.  Didn't realize the dialogue we missed last week during the 'cobbler' scene because we were laughing too loudly.

Tonight, just another brilliant episode. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on February 29, 2016, 11:48:48 PM
Loved it tonight as well.  It is very interesting that they are more or less using the Breaking Bad model.  The choices made to get from point A to point Z.  And doing it on Mike and Saul concurrently is very entertaining.  What I find interesting is that both do not have the wife/kid family relationship going on.  But Saul has Kim (and his brother) and Mike has the daughter-in-law (and granddaughter).

Kim is obviously his moral compass.  So much so that it isn't even about her getting to him to do the right thing, but just weighing heavily on every decision he makes.  First season, he tried to impress his brother (and her to a lesser degree).  Now it is all about her.  It is also interesting that Kim might be viewing his brother with more understanding as time goes on.  It is a bad character flaw of Saul that he frequently has to be reminded that his decisions don't just affect him.

So far, this season, the good feelings for Saul that he is just doing what needs to be done because others are dismissing his value is being stripped away.  He's becoming less empathetic.

And that is very Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 02, 2016, 05:06:48 AM
Yea the way this show progress is just brilliant.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike099 on March 02, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
Chuck better not piss off Saul too much or he may get a heavy dose of electrical vibes.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on March 04, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
Another strong episode this week. It is going to suck when Jimmy and Kim goes to hell, I felt awful when Jimmy comes back from getting reamed out on the phone like nothing happened and asked Kim if anything had blown up yet.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 04, 2016, 01:08:48 PM
Another strong episode this week. It is going to suck when Jimmy and Kim goes to hell, I felt awful when Jimmy comes back from getting reamed out on the phone like nothing happened and asked Kim if anything had blown up yet.

Yeah....that's the type of clever, subtle writing that I enjoy about the show. It's starting to unwind a bit for ol' Jimmy. Had Kim not said anything to him about the boss liking it and placed that seed of doubt, I bet he'd have shown him the tape prior to running it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on March 04, 2016, 02:46:52 PM
Yeah....that's the type of clever, subtle writing that I enjoy about the show. It's starting to unwind a bit for ol' Jimmy. Had Kim not said anything to him about the boss liking it and placed that seed of doubt, I bet he'd have shown him the tape prior to running it.

The way I read it was that Jimmy didn't show it to his bosses because of the conversation with his assistant about how many meetings there were just about the swirl in the background of their last commercial. He knew he needed to get the commercial out there to keep his client outreach numbers looking good if he was going to stop soliciting.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 04, 2016, 03:47:24 PM
Yeah....that's the type of clever, subtle writing that I enjoy about the show. It's starting to unwind a bit for ol' Jimmy. Had Kim not said anything to him about the boss liking it and placed that seed of doubt, I bet he'd have shown him the tape prior to running it.

The way I read it was that Jimmy didn't show it to his bosses because of the conversation with his assistant about how many meetings there were just about the swirl in the background of their last commercial. He knew he needed to get the commercial out there to keep his client outreach numbers looking good if he was going to stop soliciting.

Yeah....that too for sure. Once he has these compounding factors weighing on his mind....and the fact that he 'knows' his commercial will work but probably knew that style of commercial wouldn't be approved....he just went for it. Bummer thing is that I don't think Burns and McDonnel (isn't that who he works for) is going to care that they acquired 100+ new clients....I think that 'style' of commercial will be looked down upon as 'two bit' and bad for that 'reputable' firm.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 06, 2016, 01:39:27 PM
Sadly, I feel this show slipping away from me.  I think I saw the first two and haven't really been excited about it.  Hopefully I can catch up on it sometime soon but I'm not as pumped for it as I have been in the past.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 06, 2016, 03:40:04 PM
Sadly, I feel this show slipping away from me.  I think I saw the first two and haven't really been excited about it.  Hopefully I can catch up on it sometime soon but I'm not as pumped for it as I have been in the past.

Can't keep straight what people watched, but did you watch Breaking Bad and if so, how?

The character development of these shows can lead to what feels like slow pacing.  Spread it out over a few months for a season, and it might feel even slower.  Perhaps try watching the 2nd season in a more binge like format once the season is complete?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 06, 2016, 03:50:10 PM
Sadly, I feel this show slipping away from me.  I think I saw the first two and haven't really been excited about it.  Hopefully I can catch up on it sometime soon but I'm not as pumped for it as I have been in the past.

Can't keep straight what people watched, but did you watch Breaking Bad and if so, how?

The character development of these shows can lead to what feels like slow pacing.  Spread it out over a few months for a season, and it might feel even slower.  Perhaps try watching the 2nd season in a more binge like format once the season is complete?

I think that's probably the right way to go about it.  I binged all of Breaking Bad and loved it.  I don't have a lot of patience for the slow-burning character dev. stuff.  I fast fowarded through a lot of Skyler's boring shit in the middle of BB, season 2 or 3?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 08, 2016, 12:39:01 AM
Loved the latest episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 08, 2016, 08:15:59 PM
It was good, but the Tuco scene was completely ridiculous.  Given how cautious we know Mike to be, there is no way he would do what he did there for a measly 25K, especially when Tuco could have easily just pulled out his gun and shot him in the head in an instant instead of merely using him as a punching bag.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 08, 2016, 08:17:01 PM
Tuco did pull his gun out.  Mike quickly disarmed him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 08, 2016, 08:19:34 PM
Okay, but there is no way of knowing if Tuco would have done that before they were that close to each other, meaning Mike could not have disarmed him before getting shot.  My main point is, too much risk there for something to go wrong.  It's not just something we ever see Mike do.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 08, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
It's not that I don't see your point, I'm just saying they actually addressed what you said.

He was very "old man" non-confrontational before they were in close proximity.  First acting the confused old man, but not calling Tuco a liar.  Then offering to exchange insurance information.  He stepped it up when they were at arms length and stepped it up even further when the cops were very close (as per the sirens closing in the near distance).  Then he even taunted him when the cops were out of their cars.

Would Tuco just pull out his gun and shoot Mike the minute he walked in after hitting the car?  That seems more like taking Tuco's personality too far.  Yes, he's a hot head.  But if he literally just shot everybody that wronged him *unintentionally* in broad daylight, he would have already been in prison long before last night's episode.

It was actually very intelligently handled.  Especially since this is also Mike's journey to Breaking Bad hit man / bad ass.  He wouldn't have taken the assignment at all if not for the financial need.  But he isn't ready to be a full on hit man ... or even break legs as he said last episode.

On a different note, I liked the starting with Mike's injuries and envelope of money.  My first thought was that possibly Nacho set him up on a mission doomed to failure to teach Mike his place.

It is great how they are hammering home Saul's big flaw.  He has very good short term strategy, but lacks the bigger picture.  Especially how is actions affect others.  His brother was right in his critique.  And it is a perfect flaw for a con man.  Eventually, somebody you conned is going to cross your path again and look for some revenge.  And it shows a sociopath tendency.  Many people don't do the con not just for fear of getting caught, but because it bothers them when they get away with it too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 08, 2016, 08:53:49 PM
Oh, I definitely agree that Chuck is mostly right about Jimmy/Saul, but of course we are conditioned to root for Jimmy, so just like we were for Walt on BB.  Serious lawyers and firms take ethics and doing every little thing according to procedure correctly, so the reaction of both firms was totally realistic.  And the fact that Jimmy doesn't get it shows why he is Saul Goodman.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 08, 2016, 09:19:25 PM
I thought the point was hammered home with the partner's talking about how that commercial might be great for short term gains on Saul's case (as in he started it, even though it is the firm's case now), but it could be damaging to the rest of their clientele.  At that point, it was clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that Saul was 100% in the wrong and wasn't even "proving his point" by doing it his way.  I even thought Saul might come back with "I'm really sorry.  I realize I might have let my focus blind me to the bigger picture."  When he didn't, it was a big moment in his character development (for the story, not his progression).

Even his worry for Kim has a lot to do with her liking him (or even the chance of her still liking him at this point).  If she made it clear that he will never be her friend again ... well ...

And it plays in with that moment in Breaking Bad where he tells Walter what a self-centered jerk he is.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 09, 2016, 07:55:43 AM
Oh, I definitely agree that Chuck is mostly right about Jimmy/Saul, but of course we are conditioned to root for Jimmy, so just like we were for Walt on BB.  Serious lawyers and firms take ethics and doing every little thing according to procedure correctly, so the reaction of both firms was totally realistic.  And the fact that Jimmy doesn't get it shows why he is Saul Goodman.

Totally this. Jimmy sees nothing wrong with what he is doing although 'we' can see it, but we don't care because 'we' can see his point. The big time law firms can't and don't want to see his point because as you said, they are perfect to the 'T' when it comes to procedure so Jimmy's methods are going to cost him in that respect.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on March 10, 2016, 04:23:36 PM
Another superb, but tough episode.

Shame on me......I wish there was a third person we were following. I don't want to lose some of the 'specialness' of Mike by having him on too much (if that makes sense).  Would have preferred him keeping that last comment to himself, just for his own sake.

Jimmy becoming Saul is now resting on him.  Works a bit better when the obstacles are created by others (such as last season).  But it's still early in the game.

I read where the gun dealer appears later with Mike, and is the one Walter bought the M60 from.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 10, 2016, 04:45:13 PM
Shame on me......I wish there was a third person we were following. I don't want to lose some of the 'specialness' of Mike by having him on too much (if that makes sense). 
I hadn't thought that, but I get it (I think).  Sometimes you want an enigma to keep some of their mystery?  A 3rd person would mean 33% less screen time for Mike (assuming they split it evenly).  Personally, I like that Mike's path is similar but different to Saul's (and Walt's).  So far Saul is the closest to retaining his "sainthood" (even for a hitman).

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Would have preferred him keeping that last comment to himself, just for his own sake.
This I'm not positive which comment you mean.  I'm going to assume the "that's all ya got?" or whatever it exactly was comment?  I thought that was to have Tuco assault him in plain view of the police (thereby not requiring him to testify to get a conviction).

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Jimmy becoming Saul is now resting on him.  Works a bit better when the obstacles are created by others (such as last season).  But it's still early in the game.
It is very similar to Walt's journey into the abyss.  Life screwed him (cancer).  He tried to do it the *right* way, but it became clear very quickly the right way was the wrong way (he'd probably die of cancer (first go round) and leave nothing but financial ruin.)

But when the cancer went away and he had *enough* money, he lost the sympathy.  But the writing really left us with what people always tend to say about somebody "broke bad".   "You just don't know him like we did.  He used to be a good man.  Things went south and he got caught up in it and was down the path never to return before he even realized how he got there."  In this case, it is the viewer somewhat saying that. 

Jimmy tried to do it right and wasn't getting anywhere.  So he got *creative*.  His work paid off and we find him basically set up in the job one would assume somebody in that position would want.  He had to get it to realize it isn't just about the prestige of accepted success (to him).  He needs the rush.  He's doing it because he likes it.  And it is a sociopath journey because others around him are paying for his rush.

Despite all that, it is hardly a reboot of Breaking Bad.  Love the show.  And love talking about it with others.  I don't make much of an effort to spot the cameos, so it is nice coming here to see some I may have missed.  A google search is more effective, but that takes all the fun out of it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 10, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
I don't make a point to look for cameos or nods to BB, but I usually catch them.

Crazy-8 the other day, for example.

And I recognized the arms dealer immediately as the guy Walt bought a gun from (twice).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Train of Naught on March 13, 2016, 03:52:16 AM
Just caught up with this show, I saw most of season 1 when it aired but for some reason just stopped. Found myself re-watching Breaking Bad 2 years later and ending up with BCS again. I was surprised to see we're only 4 episodes into the new season, a 2 year break is pretty damn long (it might've been announced but I didn't know about it).

Loved Breaking Bad when I first saw it, and re-watching the entire thing for the second time surprisingly made it even better. I don't like this show just as much but it's very enjoyable and stands on its own pretty well. Though I gotta say, it's fun to spot out the many references made to BB, and I loved seeing Krazy-8 again in the latest episode.

I guess since not everyone who watches this show has seen Breaking Bad, we gotta be careful when making comparisons between the show to prevent spoilers right?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 13, 2016, 08:15:39 AM
I guess since not everyone who watches this show has seen Breaking Bad,

Not I. And I've enjoyed the show greatly.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2016, 09:45:48 AM
Gary, you should watch Breaking Bad.  Knock it out in two weeks and report back. ;)

BB SPOILER BELOW




Also, and this isn't too much of a spoiler, but the first BB episode with Saul, in the scene where Walt and Jesse kidnap Saul, when he is on his knees at the start, Saul is yelling that it was Ignacio, not him, and we all know that Ignacio is Nacho's real first name (Mike said that to "Pryce" after the first buy in the Pimento episode), so we'll see where we go with that.  We already know that Mike and Saul will be tight later on in the sense of working together, and Nacho will still be involved for the duration, so it ought to be interesting to see where they go with that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 13, 2016, 05:42:05 PM
Gary, you should watch Breaking Bad.  Knock it out in two weeks and report back. ;)

I fully intend to. I'm trying to time it just right though. I know myself, I won't sleep until I get through it so I need to make sure I'm ready to put myself through that  :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on March 14, 2016, 07:27:33 AM
Mild Spoiler:



Evidently when Nacho is telling Mike about the former associate who Tuco murdered, it ties back exactly to something that Hank says Tuco is suspected of having done when Hank's giving his colleagues the rundown on Tuco in an early BB episode. Love the little continuity touches like that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike099 on March 14, 2016, 11:52:43 AM
This I'm not positive which comment you mean.  I'm going to assume the "that's all ya got?" or whatever it exactly was comment?  I thought that was to have Tuco assault him in plain view of the police (thereby not requiring him to testify to get a conviction).



What did Mike say before the final blow by Tuco.  I listened twice, but could not make it out.  It could have been what is above, but I thought that was earlier in the fight.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on March 14, 2016, 09:48:09 PM
A slower, more 'foundational' episode tonight.  Maybe Kim will heed Jimmy's advice, considering how she was hosed.

Surprising appearance by someone whose name escapes me, but the face rings a bell.

[rim shot]
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 14, 2016, 11:05:14 PM
I agree it was a slower paced episode tonight.  But this is the stuff I love.  It is like if a psychology class made a supplemental TV show.  The dynamics were so many that you could write a serious paper on this episode alone.

First, the role reversals for Saul and Kim were great.  Not only because it happened, because they were both similar and very different.  Kim created his situation and Saul created hers.

Next, the family dynamic.  And it was done as a great bookend.  Starting it showing the weakness of Chuck.  Chuck is very accomplished, but his people skills are lacking.  Even before the trauma.  And he is smart enough to see it, but emotional enough to not want to accept it.  At the end, Chuck encapsulated the problem with Saul and in a way, broke down more of his "bad guy" exterior.  Saul could be thought of as the black sheep, but that can hint that he doesn't necessarily have redeeming qualities or that their actions are premeditated and/or mean spirited.  Saul is the perfect character of the guy that gets bailed out by others no matter how many times they screw others over.  The answer to the question "why do you keep helping him/her." And also why the final break seems like an overreaction to those on the outside.  The ending of "look.  I love ya, but I've got to stop this."

The Saul bathroom meeting where perhaps he got to see what "the best case scenario" of walking away from what he currently has really means.  And the best part, you aren't even sure if an a ha moment happened for Saul.  He's had quite a few.  Going by his character, it probably did not.  Or if it did, it will be superficial and fleeting.  He's basically a messed up mix of heart and sociopath.  And it is a very realistic trait.  Better, it had the reverse dynamic of "if you only knew that I am in fact not living the high life."

The Howard pose at the business meeting.  It was a call back to Saul copying Howard's pose (and clothes and ...)  And again, not quite the same.  In fact, it can almost show why a person like Saul is better at Howard (the company image) than Howard.  Howard had some game with the small talk, but you could tell it was all fake on both ends.  Howard and the "mark" were somewhat job interviewing each other and they knew it.  Saul would have made it feel more natural.  That's why he gets the senior citizens like a pied piper.

And this is surface level discussion.  Why it might be "slower" paced (action wise), but was really a deeply enthralling episode.  Exciting even.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 14, 2016, 11:34:25 PM
I was trying to keep it short, but the episode was so awesome it feels totally ignoring other very important parts.

The Kim is Jimmy section.  Where she is in the doghouse and burning the midnight oil to get out of it.  Jimmy working the public criminal cases would be the mirror.  He eventually had the "screw this" moment (and yet at the same time did not by bringing in the big class action lawsuit).

What makes this really dig deep into my involvement while watching is knowing exactly what Kim was going through.  For many, it might be a job interview.  Or the big break to get a promotion.  But I watched it as a salesperson/employer knowing that not only do you have to put yourself through what she did, but you get to do it all again.  And there really isn't time to say "I did it.  That was grueling.  Time to relax a bit."
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2016, 07:05:52 PM


Surprising appearance by someone whose name escapes me, but the face rings a bell.

[rim shot]

Tio!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on March 16, 2016, 03:58:36 PM
Just watched the latest episode. That final scene could definitely be a game-changer here. I'm saying Tuco sent his uncle himself. Whatever Mike decides he's gonna be screwed in some way, either pissing off Nacho or Tuco. This will be interesting for sure. I'm thinking Jimmy/Saul will have a part in this little 'side-story' at some point. Remeber the second episode of season 1? That's probably going to repeat itself in one way or another.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 16, 2016, 04:04:08 PM
Considering Tuco is not locked up and all these major players are alive in a few years on BB, we can rule out Tuco or his familia killing Mike.   ;)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 16, 2016, 04:40:31 PM
And Mike eventually works for Gus, who hates the cartel, but still works with them nonetheless.

I can't wait to see how Hector ends up in that wheelchair.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 16, 2016, 04:55:31 PM
And Mike eventually works for Gus, who hates the cartel, but still works with them nonetheless.

I can't wait to see how Hector ends up in that wheelchair.

There is a good chance they will show this, but I hope they don't feel the need to explain everything.

One thing that has been gnawing at me is the Saul and Walt separation scene where Saul lectures Walt the way others lecture Saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fiery Winds on March 16, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Mike has to take the deal and he knows it. As someone who just did this two episodes ago, he is foreseeing the stick coming swiftly if he refuses the carrot. It's uncanny (albeit intentional) how much Mike's journey parallel's Walt's. He tries to get some extra cash to help his family and gets pulled in too deep.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 16, 2016, 08:04:47 PM
Absolutely.  The breaking bad journey of each of them is unique yet similar.

Will we have a pre-pre-series?  Tuco and Tio.  Tuco just used to be a sweet little dude and ....  :lol  Nope.  That series might just be called Born Bad.  Gus (chicken man) might be interesting however.  When all is said and done, he was much better at the drug trade than Walt.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on March 16, 2016, 10:20:53 PM
"How many lawyers does it take to fix a lightbulb?"

Which takes you back to the opening scene of Chuck actually doing it himself (and putting on an album, and...)

Kim was superb.  The slow, foundational .....can work so well with Saul (and BB).  The scenes in the stairway, in the 'dungeon', looking down at her from the flagpole......

Saul referring to his shadow as a 'Stasi'.  One doesn't hear that often.

After reading a review, I was lucky to catch the end again.  The subtleties of this show that so often go unnoticed on the first viewing, because they are simple, everyday occurrences.  Mike at his table in the diner, viewed from the kitchen.  An order is ready, placed on the ledge, and .....'Ding!' 

No big deal.

Yeah, it IS a big deal.

frickin' brilliant!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 05:49:31 AM
The waitress in the diner was the same one from the BB episode where Mike met Lydia once.  I think her name was Fran.  It was when Lydia tried to act all non-suspicious by calling him Dwayne, and the waitress, already knowing Mike because he was obviously a regular, called him by his real name, making Lydia lower her head in shame. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on March 17, 2016, 07:35:41 AM
Considering Tuco is not locked up and all these major players are alive in a few years on BB, we can rule out Tuco or his familia killing Mike.   ;)

Of course, but we don't know how many years there are between BCS and BB. Tuco could still be locked up for some time in between. His appearance isn't that of the drug lord he's portrayed as in BB, so he still has some sort of development to go through as well. That doesn't mean stuff can happen.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 17, 2016, 08:06:31 AM
Considering Tuco is not locked up and all these major players are alive in a few years on BB, we can rule out Tuco or his familia killing Mike.   ;)

Of course, but we don't know how many years there are between BCS and BB. Tuco could still be locked up for some time in between. His appearance isn't that of the drug lord he's portrayed as in BB, so he still has some sort of development to go through as well. That doesn't mean stuff can happen.

It isn't 8+ years, so we can assume something happens to make it less.  And unless there is a huge twist, that something would be the deal in some form.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on March 17, 2016, 08:09:46 AM
^ No, it's probably only around 1-2 years, since Kayleigh will still be a child in BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bolsters on March 17, 2016, 08:15:09 AM
I thought we were told at some point that it's five years? Unless I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 17, 2016, 08:17:11 AM
Makes you wonder how much prep before even the first episode of BCS was penned so they don't paint themselves into a corner that forces them to resolve poorly.

Has Vince set up a paranoia style room with pictures and string on a wall that will eventually drive him to insanity?   ;D
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 17, 2016, 08:18:00 AM
I thought we were told at some point that it's five years? Unless I'm mistaken.

I think it was stated at some point.  But we don't have to hunt it down.  It absolutely was not 8+ years.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 05:43:31 PM
I believe it is 2002.  And BB began in 2008 and only took place over the span of two years exactly (with the first year taking four seasons plus - Walt's 50th was in Season 1, episode; his 51st was in Season 5, episode 4 or 5).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on March 17, 2016, 05:46:48 PM
How do they explain Kayleigh barely getting older then?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2016, 05:53:40 PM
She looked around 10 or 11 in BB.  I'll have to look again to see how old she looks in BCS.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 17, 2016, 06:23:33 PM
(https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/breakingbad/images/8/85/F49b5c3f175ac891a8e6b1918cc733b5.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/505?cb=20150411044049)
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/breakingbad/images/5/5c/3ecf52b1ddbbbdb21ef1bc99d54f912e.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/274?cb=20150411044452)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: kaos2900 on March 18, 2016, 08:21:42 AM
I'm loving season 2.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on March 21, 2016, 10:31:57 PM
The waitress in the diner was the same one from the BB episode where Mike met Lydia once.  I think her name was Fran.  It was when Lydia tried to act all non-suspicious by calling him Dwayne, and the waitress, already knowing Mike because he was obviously a regular, called him by his real name, making Lydia lower her head in shame. :lol :lol

And I remembered Jimmy's Staci's name as Amy, not Erin.  Kudos, Kev.

Episode 6:  the return of a couple of 'old friends'.  All of Mike/Hector/Nacho was superb.  For Jimmy, the round peg doesn't fit into the round hole, so he makes his own.  A light hearted ending for once. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 22, 2016, 02:44:27 PM
Didn't love last night's episode.  It felt very filler.  The only part I was fully engaged was when Mike came home to find the two visitors.

Wasn't really digging Kim's path either. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on March 29, 2016, 04:14:55 PM
I thought last night's 'Inflatable' was the slowest of the season.

And yet.......we saw the split-screens of Jimmy and that car lot blowup (how did they get 'it' to move with the music?), Kim making a huuuge decision, and Mike having to contemplate doing more evil deeds for his nutty/demanding daughter-in-law.

Was her house the same as we saw in BB?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 29, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
Kim's character is losing it a bit for me.  She has gone from being the voice of reason to making one rash decision after another.  She DID mess up.  And the idea that one act of stepping up should put her back in good standing is a bit entitled of her.  She should feel lucky to have the opportunity to *jump ship* with essentially a promotion and financial reward to boot.  She was hardly being held down by *the man*.

I loved the colorful suit / inflatable dancer section.  Not that I thought it was a good decision by Jimmy, but seeing Saul come out was fun.

The opening scene with the grifter was good and I think realistic.  That is the exact age area where events like that can make a lasting impression on your personality.

Mike was kind of an ass to Saul as well.

Still enjoyed the episode.  Perhaps it is a detriment knowing where Saul will end up.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
The thing I am noticing about Kim is that she has almost no personality, except when she is faking it with a client or during one of her and Jimmy's scams.

The montage and the scene where Jimmy was fired were all great, but the rest all dragged for me again.  I like the show, but I cannot say I love it.

"For what it's worth, Cliff, I think you're a nice guy."

"For what it's worth, I think you're an asshole."

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 29, 2016, 06:34:23 PM
"For what it's worth, Cliff, I think you're a nice guy."

"For what it's worth, I think you're an asshole."

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

YESSSS.  Probably the best part of the entire episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattlehead on March 30, 2016, 08:14:02 AM
Perhaps it is a detriment knowing where Saul will end up.

This is a really good point, I always remind myself of this when I'm watching the show. It's still intriguing to think about what will happen to Kim, HHM, Chuck, etc. This season has been awesome so far  :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 30, 2016, 06:33:43 PM
Definitely interested in what happens to those around Saul.

Will Kim become successful in the traditional way and grow tired of Saul's antics?
Will she struggle and penniless and blame Saul realizing her prior path was pretty sweet and it was stupid to take this risk and never talk to him again.
Did she get hurt or lose her life as a result of Saul's schemes?
Will we find out she was down the hall of Saul Goodman the entire BB series?  Maybe Walter saw her first and she said "oh.  You're a scumbag.  I refer scumbags to my unofficial partner down the hall."  (I know this has problems, just having fun)

But Breaking Bad has led me to conclude certain things with strong confidence like the Mike deal with Tio based almost entirely off my BB knowledge.  And BB is already a blur to me.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 30, 2016, 07:36:25 PM
Perhaps it is a detriment knowing where Saul will end up.

This is a really good point, I always remind myself of this when I'm watching the show. It's still intriguing to think about what will happen to Kim, HHM, Chuck, etc. This season has been awesome so far  :tup

I don't see anything dramatic happening with HHM.  They are a law firm that will carry on as is long after Jimmy becomes Saul.

Chuck is already pretty much out of Jimmy's life, especially now that the Sandpiper connection is severed because of Jimmy going on his own again, but I am sure we haven't heard the last of him.

Kim is too much a big part of Jimmy's life for her to just disappear from his life without plenty of drama, but I doubt it is too awful since Saul never struck me as a guy who had remorse for where he was or what he did, and I think genuine remorse would have been there had Kim taken a big fall or something.  Granted, BB was written first, and likely without the thought of BCS eventually being written as a prequel, but Vince Gilligan is too brilliant in his writing to not connect most or all of the dots somehow, someway.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 30, 2016, 07:41:26 PM
Saul never struck me as a guy who had remorse for where he was or what he did, and I think genuine remorse would have been there had Kim taken a big fall or something.

BB Saul seems infinitely more aware of how his actions affect others than BCS Jimmy.  Jimmy seems completely clueless.  But Saul sounds like he is speaking from experience when he lectures Walt.  It is the equivalent of handing down "I've been there" knowledge.  Perhaps Kim is that experience since it is the only thing he truly cares about.  She might have to hit rock bottom before he might actually come to the conclusion that "Wow.  I might have had a huge part in this."
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 30, 2016, 07:46:21 PM
Guess (but fun) at this point.

The flashes of Saul post BB scenes.  Do you think the series will eventually make that the present scene?  Will he have some type of epiphany and make his way back to Kim?  BB ended in (relative) tragedy.  BCS doesn't have to end in tragedy.  Saul is more likeable, so his redemption (no matter how small) might be worth pursuing.  Or it could go to the present where he tries to get things in order to end in tragedy.  Possibly even him coming to Kim with "I've changed" only to end with her closing the door with a nice "fuck off".
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: kaos2900 on March 31, 2016, 06:44:46 AM
I'm hoping that the prequel at some point becomes a sequel.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2016, 04:56:21 PM
I doubt they'd be showing flash forwards of Saul if they weren't going to show us something later on regarding his life post-Walter White.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on March 31, 2016, 05:14:34 PM
Just realized.  Those flash forwards (or flash presents) are pretty destructive and probably confusing to those that started with BCS but haven't watched BB (or all of it).  Great for those that watched BB, but bad for those that haven't.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on April 04, 2016, 02:06:51 PM
For the hell of it........does Kim become Wendy?

Yeah, I know, different actresses........

BTW.....the details of this show always frickin' amaze me.  I found out that the same actress that played the realtor for the house that Mike bought his DIL, was the same as the one that caught Marie stealing the spoons at a house she was showing on BB.

Their attention to detail just baffles me!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 04, 2016, 02:13:19 PM
For the hell of it........does Kim become Wendy?
For reference, Wendy is the *crack* whore

(https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/breakingbad/images/2/2e/Wendy_smoking_-_Half_Measures.png)

Damn that is dark.  And also interesting.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 04, 2016, 11:47:34 PM
Hate to say it, but Saul's moves tonight were pretty damned scummy.

I was fine with Kim taking the client even though it is borderline.  She expected too much for bringing in the one client.  So her Saul like move was a bit of her problem.  That said, HHM also took the risk of such a move by not giving even an inch, so it was right in that grey area.  Also thought HHM's counter move was perfectly acceptable and really well done.  People take lawsuits against a business for compromising their name (even when it is true).  So Chuck was smooth.

Saul's reaction was where it got bad.  And of course, that is the point, but it borderlines on losing all sympathy for him too soon.  The reaction to Chuck's problem seemed just way too cruel.  I have somebody in my family that both has serious medical issues and also has faked serious problems just to get attention.  And they fake so much that when they start faking those around him have to take a "you better not be faking" stance.  But despite all that crap, we still are worried and start making the call and getting the car ready for help.  It just seems like human nature to worry that no matter how many false alarms you've witnessed, you don't want to risk it.  Not saying Chuck was faking, but it puts in perspective the possible Saul reaction that Chuck was never in danger.  It really made me look at Saul as inhuman.

I wonder if anybody thought to tell Vince that Saul's copy store was too old school even for that time period.

Mike was a slow burn, so not much to say there.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bolsters on April 05, 2016, 08:15:49 AM
The take-out joint at the start of the latest episode, is that the place Jesse was at when he bought a gun in Breaking Bad?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike099 on April 06, 2016, 12:16:10 PM
Yes, believe it was the same joint.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2016, 09:20:28 PM
Last week, I said this:

The thing I am noticing about Kim is that she has almost no personality, except when she is faking it with a client or during one of her and Jimmy's scams.


And I kinda still think that, which is why Rhea Seehorn should get mad props; she is doing a fantastic job in portraying that character.  Because those of us who watched BB kind of know the direction Mike and Jimmy are both going in, Kim's ultimate fate is the most intriguing right now; I can't wait to see what happens to her.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 12, 2016, 11:38:56 AM
Loved this episode! The scene with Chuck, Jimmy and Kim was brilliant. I felt so uncomfortable when Chuck revealed what Jimmy did yet it felt good when Kim defended Jimmy, so weird.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Metropolaris on April 12, 2016, 01:21:36 PM
I'll just leave this here

Quote
Fifi
Rebecca
Inflatable
Nailed
Gloves Off
Switch
Bali Ha'i
Amarillo
Cobbler
Klick

Coincidence?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 12, 2016, 01:38:18 PM
Great episode.  The ending really put Jimmy in the ultimate test of humanity.

Kind of sad that Kim defended Jimmy knowing he did it (as shown in the bed scene later).  Chuck isn't a saint, but people don't deserve what Jimmy did.  If anything, this is kind of the Chuck redemption season.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 12, 2016, 03:01:11 PM
I'll just leave this here

Quote
Fifi
Rebecca
Inflatable
Nailed
Gloves Off
Switch
Bali Ha'i
Amarillo
Cobbler
Klick

Coincidence?
Quite possibly, given that isn't the episode order. If it's intentional, that's a damn obscure clue. :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 12, 2016, 03:26:15 PM
Great episode.  The ending really put Jimmy in the ultimate test of humanity.
Yeah seriously, really great stuff.

Quote
Kind of sad that Kim defended Jimmy knowing he did it (as shown in the bed scene later).  Chuck isn't a saint, but people don't deserve what Jimmy did.  If anything, this is kind of the Chuck redemption season.
Don't agree at all. I mean obviously what Jimmy did was wrong and illegal, but Chuck is still a dick and I have little sympathy for him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 12, 2016, 03:46:06 PM
I mean obviously what Jimmy did was wrong and illegal, but Chuck is still a dick and I have little sympathy for him.

Chuck's biggest flaw is an inferiority-superiority complex (they tend to go hand-in-hand).  But his biggest problem with Jimmy is he doesn't think he's a real lawyer.  And Jimmy proved him right this season.  He's a salesman, not a lawyer.


Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 12, 2016, 04:25:58 PM
I mean obviously what Jimmy did was wrong and illegal, but Chuck is still a dick and I have little sympathy for him.

Chuck's biggest flaw is an inferiority-superiority complex (they tend to go hand-in-hand).  But his biggest problem with Jimmy is he doesn't think he's a real lawyer.  And Jimmy proved him right this season.  He's a salesman, not a lawyer.
But how much of that is Chuck's fault? If he hadn't deliberately tried to sabotage Jimmy's career, things would probably have gone very differently.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 12, 2016, 05:06:35 PM
I believe that was addressed in the beginning of the season when Jimmy was somewhat handed the perfect scenario, and he managed to find a problem (the cupholder).

It is important to note that his "handler" came only after he did his commercial sleight of hand.

Jimmy seems to think that going on his own is the only way somebody can truly thrive, yet at the same time he keeps sticking his nose in Kim's business (yeah, I see it).

Chuck isn't the problem.  He's Jimmy's latest excuse.  Why do *I* scam people?  Because you are either scamming or being scammed as per his early life "teachable moment".  Although there is something to that, it assumes only two options.

Kim's arc illustrated Chuck's possible arc.  When they asked Chuck "is Jimmy read to be a lawyer?", Chuck thought ahead and wisely answered "no."  Kim answered yes, and now she can't believe that Jimmy can't connect how his actions were the root of the problem.  His intent doesn't matter as much as his results.

I know what it is like to *cover* for a relation/friend in the workplace (as most probably do to different degrees).  You don't go out to sabotage their career.  If they have a problem showing up on time or completing a project, if asked you might kind of sugar coat the problem.  You usually don't burst out "they're a fuck up" or "they're on drugs and will probably always will be stoned in a haze on the couch instead of showing up at the proper time." But if it happens again and again and again and you cover and cover and cover, at some point you are being taken less and less at your word.

Chuck isn't perfect, but I hardly blame him for Jimmy's life choices unless the show ends up showing us something radically different in the future.

And it is cool that the show is presenting stuff that doesn't have an obvious "that is bad. that is good." character/plot development.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2016, 05:08:14 PM
The fact remains that pretty much everything Chuck has said about Jimmy is right.

That said, Kim defending Jimmy to Chuck was awesome. 

I really hope Chuck isn't dead; his character adds so much to the show.

Overall, terrific episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 12, 2016, 05:13:32 PM
Now the ending of the show is pretty tough.  I can get that Jimmy is hoping the others do the right thing and call 911.  But if they don't and it leaves Chuck dead or just permanently damaged, then Jimmy has gone too far.  He's almost irredeemable.

His actions prior created a situation where calling 911 has other consequences.  What is sad is he won't even realize this (according to past a ha moments gone over his head), but will instead blame others.

It is all interesting because of his final scene with Walt where he seems to have a new attitude.  Either a) he hit a serious bottom and had an epiphany or b) can only see faults in others, but not himself.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 12, 2016, 05:34:58 PM
That said, Kim defending Jimmy to Chuck was awesome. 

It is interesting.  Although not the same, I had a similar dilemma a few years ago. 
Party A - the wronged (Chuck)
Party B - possibly tied up in the wrong, but not the direct cause - I cared about Party B. (Office store employee)
Party C - the wrongdoer.  Not only do I not care about them, I despise them. (Jimmy)
Party D - Another person pitted against Party A via Party B (Kim)
Me - The other Kim, different reaction.

Party A shows up to discuss what Party C did and brought up the Party B connection.  I felt empathy for Party A, but didn't want to just take down Party C unless Party B could be taken out of the equation.  For the most part, I remained neutral and as quiet as the discussion would allow.

Party D pulled the Kim and instead started to attack Party A with the "really, this is your own fault."  The entire time D and A started yelling at each other all I could do is think quietly on the side was "shut up D.  This is literally two wrongs trying to make a right."  It was not a fun experience and I didn't think "you go girl" with Party D's actions.  Now if Party D truly was deceived, that's a different story.  But they made it clear Kim was never confused as to whether Party Jimmy was guilty or not.

It would have been better if she stuck to "Well.  There is no definitive proof here, so I'm withholding judgment of either party for the time being."

Bad TV though, because this is all a part of Kim's journey as well.  She definitely stopped being the moral yet understanding anchor a few episodes ago.  Right now, she's young Jimmy in his dad's liquor store with Jimmy being the scammer seducing her.  She didn't just "break bad" immediately like impressionable young Jimmy, but she's started down that path.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: kaos2900 on April 13, 2016, 06:50:41 AM
Jimmy is doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Chuck is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. I empathize with Jimmy and think Chuck is an ass hole who has gone out of the way to sabotage Jimmy several times.

Regardless, this has surpassed Breaking Bad for me.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 13, 2016, 08:50:04 AM
Jimmy is doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Chuck is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. I empathize with Jimmy and think Chuck is an ass hole who has gone out of the way to sabotage Jimmy several times.

Regardless, this has surpassed Breaking Bad for me.
I agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on April 13, 2016, 09:11:57 AM
I'll just leave this here

Quote
Fifi
Rebecca
Inflatable
Nailed
Gloves Off
Switch
Bali Ha'i
Amarillo
Cobbler
Klick

Coincidence?
Quite possibly, given that isn't the episode order. If it's intentional, that's a damn obscure clue. :lol

Oh I definitely think it's intentional. The odds alone that the first episode title would contain one out of those ten letters is just worse than a coin flip. I don't have time to work out all the permutations for the actual odds that this is a coincidence, but they're quite small.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 13, 2016, 09:25:49 AM
The chance of it being that specific combination of letters, sure, that'd be small, but until we see Fring we have no reason to think that the combination of letters means anything. The odds of having a combination of letters that could be an anagram for something from BB wouldn't be that long.

EDIT: That said, I understand that Gilligan has always liked to play around with episode titles, including anagrams (e.g. Felina = Finale) so that probably makes it less likely that it's just coincidence.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on April 13, 2016, 09:45:56 AM
Yeah, I can't think the titles starting with this combination of letters is a coincidence, and I can't see why Gilligan would do that unless the chicken man is showing up next week.

I'm going to be seriously mad now if he's not there next week :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2016, 04:09:35 PM
Jimmy is doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Chuck is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. I empathize with Jimmy and think Chuck is an ass hole who has gone out of the way to sabotage Jimmy several times.

Regardless, this has surpassed Breaking Bad for me.

The bolded is a great way to put it.

No way it is surpassing BB, in my eyes.   

BTW, I loved the Abbey Road look of Jimmy and his crew when they crossed the street on the way to that school to take the picture.  :lol :lol :lol

Also, I am not worried about Jimmy being irredeemable if Chuck dies or is a shell of what he has already become.  I have faith that the writers will find a way to make Jimmy likable as heck again, regardless.  To compare (BB spoiler below):



BB spoiler: for those of us who watched that, Walt should have been irredeemable after he watched Jane die, but many of us still rooted for him after that, even as he kept doing far worse things (poisoning Brock, for example).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 15, 2016, 05:40:10 AM
Jimmy is doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Chuck is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

I'm not getting this.  The only reasons I'm seeing is he wanted to impress Chuck and Kim.  Now he wants to do it to "gloat" over Chuck and impress Kim.  By impress, I mean set the conditions to *get some*.

Sandpiper:  This wasn't about the clients so much as it was to impress Chuck and Kim.  Didn't work with Chuck and when it didn't guarantee Kim nookie, he didn't care and refused the Davis & Main offer.  He didn't reconsider until Kim slept with him again.  Did commercial using the short-sighted process.  When all is said and done, he stops caring about Sandpiper and forces his firing.  Not to save Sandpiper, but for his own needs.

Mesa Verde:  He doesn't care about this client's best interest.  In fact, causes a 6 week hardship just so they go back to Kim.  Hardly the right reason - impress Kim, get some, make sure she has a client to help pay their overhead.

I'm just not seeing these "right reasons".  I am for Chuck, however.  Nothing is black and white so I can find it both ways for both characters, but on the average, I don't see Jimmy doing things for the right reasons.  Care to share some right reason decisions?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: orcus116 on April 15, 2016, 05:32:13 PM
The right reasons is that Jimmy is looking out for Jimmy because no one else will (mainly because of his own doing though). He is a wolf, not a sheep.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 15, 2016, 06:00:46 PM
The right reasons is that Jimmy is looking out for Jimmy because no one else will (mainly because of his own doing though). He is a wolf, not a sheep.

I'm not really seeing that though.

Chuck did look out for him.  Just because Jimmy shouldn't be a lawyer doesn't mean Chuck has blocked every path.

Kim looks out for him. She encourages and helps him pass the bar.

Howard helped Jimmy.

Davis and Main helped Jimmy.

The dude is getting help left and right.  They only stop helping him because he craps all over them.  It was all summed up with

"For what it's worth, Cliff, I think you're a nice guy."

"For what it's worth, I think you're an asshole."

This show is kind of a rorschach test
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 15, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
Finally caught up with this season and I can't believe how awesome it's been so far. This is like Fargo season 2 and I've loved every second of it. I can't compare this show to BB, I think both as very different kind of shows and both are awesome. I'm just very glad they've given a lot more character depth to  Mike, Kim and Nacho. I think Vince Gilligan really nailed it in telling a simple story with such great depth and an excellent compelling visual style.

Can't wait for the season finale on Monday.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 15, 2016, 09:22:53 PM
This is like Fargo season 2 and I've loved every second of it.

Maybe I should find some time to watch that show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: NoseofNicko on April 15, 2016, 10:31:38 PM
This is like Fargo season 2 and I've loved every second of it.

Maybe I should find some time to watch that show.

You should.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on April 15, 2016, 11:20:43 PM
^ What he said. Fantastic show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on April 16, 2016, 01:32:40 AM
I watched the first episode of Fargo, it really annoyed me pretty much all the way through so I didn't continue. I've been meaning to try again at some point though.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 16, 2016, 02:04:16 AM
Chuck did look out for him.  Just because Jimmy shouldn't be a lawyer doesn't mean Chuck has blocked every path.
Strongly disagree, and I don't see why "Jimmy shouldn't be a lawyer", other than because Chuck doesn't want him to be.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2016, 07:41:06 AM
One could easily make the argument that anyone who does what Jimmy just did - intentionally sabotaging the client of a major law firm, a client who is now screwed, simply because Jimmy wanted to impress his lawyer girlfriend - should not be a lawyer.  In fact, had Kim did what Chuck wanted her to, outing what Jimmy did to the higher-ups, it is more than likely that, if proven, Jimmy would be disbarred.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 16, 2016, 07:48:16 AM
This is like Fargo season 2 and I've loved every second of it.

Maybe I should find some time to watch that show.

You should.
Yes you should.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: orcus116 on April 16, 2016, 07:50:00 AM
What kind of annoyed me about the whole thing is that Chuck described exactly what happened down to the last detail even though he was highly incapacitated during the entire thing. I understand the show is demonstrating how sharp of a lawyer he is but I kind of rolled my eyes when the three of them met because it just felt too convenient and the audience was robbed of something. I hope Chuck doesn't recover from the end of the last episode and is just offed from the show because I can't stand his character.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on April 16, 2016, 09:20:10 PM
I'll try never to put an episode slightly down for seeming 'slow', because the development of the characters and story lines pop one hell of a wallop the following week.  An understatement in describing Episode 9.

I thought of 'Abbey Road' during the walk. I want you......to watch this.          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sLHKWNKY50

Wish there were 13 episodes per season.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on April 18, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Saw Chuck's 'moment' from a mile away.  But, it was still quite an ending.  He has 'Slippin' Jimmy' in his blood as well, but with hate and malice.

Mike's note was the big unexpected moment of the show.

Only 42 weeks til season 3.......
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 18, 2016, 11:29:23 PM
Great episode, I loved it. As for the note on Mike's car I believe there's a clue in the episode titles with some creative rearrangement :biggrin:

Fifi
Rebecca
Inflatable
Nailed
Gloves off
Switch
Bali Hai'i
Amarillo
Cobbler
Klick
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 19, 2016, 02:20:47 AM
Interesting ending.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 19, 2016, 02:54:47 AM
Great episode, I loved it. As for the note on Mike's car I believe there's a clue in the episode titles with some creative rearrangement :biggrin:

Fifi
Rebecca
Inflatable
Nailed
Gloves off
Switch
Bali Hai'i
Amarillo
Cobbler
Klick

could be Brick Fangs.  Or Frick Bangs.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 19, 2016, 09:04:10 AM
Saw Chuck's 'moment' from a mile away.  But, it was still quite an ending.  He has 'Slippin' Jimmy' in his blood as well, but with hate and malice.

Mike's note was the big unexpected moment of the show.

Yeah, I actually thought to myself when he was digging through the trunk with chop sticks that he was looking for a recorder....then once he started in the way he did on Jimmy it was pretty obvious he was playing to Jimmy's weakness to always 'protect' and care for him.

and that note to Mike....I've never watched BB so I don't know if that'd had been from a character from that show that is to come or not....still pretty chilling being that Mike seemingly always has the upper hand.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 19, 2016, 02:44:31 PM
I really like how they are setting up a plausible foundation for what seemed like an odd dual role for Mike in Breaking Bad. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2016, 06:34:17 PM
I think Gus had one of his guys put the note on Mike's car.  We still might not see Gus for a while, but we all know that Gus always kept tabs on Hector, and therefore is keeping tabs on Mike already.  It's just a matter of time before we see him.

Last night did a great job of already showing Jimmy as a sympathetic character, after they took him the other way last week...saying to hell with the plan and rushing in to help Chuck at the copy place, staying by his side at the hospital, refusing to commit him because he knew it was the wrong thing to do, admitting to what he did when he saw Chuck in pain over his "mistake" (even though it was staged by Chuck), etc.

I kind of saw Chuck recording it coming, since it seemed out of character for him suddenly to be so down on himself.

Overall, a good finale.  Not great, but good.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: orcus116 on April 19, 2016, 06:37:31 PM
I know Jimmy did a really crappy thing but I fucking hate Chuck and want nothing but the worst for him. I think it has more to do with really disliking someone who is confounded by the idea of making a mistake.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2016, 06:39:48 PM
I'd say Jimmy did more than a crappy thing; he did an illegal thing, one that could land him in prison (although we know that won't happen).  He is well on his way to becoming the criminal lawyer we all know and enjoy. :coolio
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 19, 2016, 06:53:31 PM
I really like how they are setting up a plausible foundation for what seemed like an odd dual role for Mike in Breaking Bad. 
What about his role seems oddly dual? It seems like they're setting up and have shown his dislike for the Salamanca clan which would then align right into joining Fring. Doesn't seem like anything oddly dual to me. Unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 19, 2016, 07:24:03 PM
What about his role seems oddly dual?

In Breaking Bad, he worked for both Gus and Saul.  It was talked about quite a bit as it became more developed.  Better Call Saul is really filling in how this dynamic evolved.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 19, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
I know Jimmy did a really crappy thing but I fucking hate Chuck and want nothing but the worst for him. I think it has more to do with really disliking someone who is confounded by the idea of making a mistake.

Consider that last night was a taste of Jimmy getting a taste of his own medicine.  Being a Slippin' Jimmy can sometimes be mistaken for just a guy being smart about life.  And in some ways it is.  But the more important ingredient is having the ability to not give a shit about the consequences one causes.  In Jimmy's case, it is even beyond that.  He isn't just not giving a shit, they've established he is completely unaware.

So if you hate Chuck for what he did, then you essentially hate Jimmy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 19, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
What about his role seems oddly dual?

In Breaking Bad, he worked for both Gus and Saul.  It was talked about quite a bit as it became more developed.  Better Call Saul is really filling in how this dynamic evolved.
Ah I misread your initial comment. I thought you meant Gus and Salamanca for some reason.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 19, 2016, 07:34:12 PM
Interesting poll.  How many know a Jimmy in their lives (past or present)?  How many know a Chuck?  With the caveat that TV does tend to show more extreme cases, so they don't necessarily have to be as far gone as Chuck or Jimmy, but in the ballpark.

If you think about it, they have the same problem, but just with two different solutions.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 20, 2016, 04:13:58 AM
I know Jimmy did a really crappy thing but I fucking hate Chuck and want nothing but the worst for him. I think it has more to do with really disliking someone who is confounded by the idea of making a mistake.

Consider that last night was a taste of Jimmy getting a taste of his own medicine.  Being a Slippin' Jimmy can sometimes be mistaken for just a guy being smart about life.  And in some ways it is.  But the more important ingredient is having the ability to not give a shit about the consequences one causes.  In Jimmy's case, it is even beyond that.  He isn't just not giving a shit, they've established he is completely unaware.

So if you hate Chuck for what he did, then you essentially hate Jimmy.
This makes absolutely no sense to me. I don't understand how you can assert that Jimmy doesn't care when he was so focussed on his brother's wellbeing that 1. he rushed to help him, and 2. he fell for Chuck's trap and confessed.

This episode solidified Chuck's status as a total bastard. :lol We now know that it's not just that he doesn't care - he has had a grudge against Jimmy for a while, and one that Jimmy is entirely unaware of. And he also knows full well that Jimmy cares about him, but abuses that knowledge to get him to confess.

Anyway, great episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 20, 2016, 05:34:04 AM
This makes absolutely no sense to me. I don't understand how you can assert that Jimmy doesn't care when he was so focussed on his brother's wellbeing that 1. he rushed to help him, and 2. he fell for Chuck's trap and confessed.
1.  His brother's wellbeing was put in harm's way by Jimmy himself.  When Chuck helped Jimmy, it was not because Chuck put him in that situation.  Chuck is far from perfect.  In fact, as I said earlier, they are a lot alike.  They just go about tearing the other down in different ways.
2.  He got Jimmy'd.  And the first time he gets Jimmy'd, he suddenly is worse than Jimmy's lifetime of Jimmy scams?

Jimmy had so many opportunities to come clean, but he literally lied to Chuck's face as Chuck came out of his catatonic state in a hospital bed.  That's low.

On top of all of this, Jimmy's scan was not for the right reason.  Why did Kim deserve the client more than HHM?  The client was secured while Kim was an employee.  They serviced the client well, whereas Jimmy hurt the client.

And why should Chuck just "admit he made a mistake and move on" when he didn't create the mistake.  Jimmy lecturing Chuck on that was vomit inducing.  Mesa Verde couldn't just move on.  HHM's reputation couldn't just move on.  Chuck is making a return to work and this puts his *faculties* in question.

Jimmy isn't entirely unaware of Chuck's grudge.  In fact, he blames everything on Chuck, even when Chuck is not the culprit (Kim's doghouse).  Kim even talks about Jimmy gloating over Chuck on multiple occasions.  Jimmy's grudge with Chuck is every bit as bad as Chuck's.  Except Chuck has quite a few legitimate reasons for the grudge.  Jimmy's grudge is that Chuck doesn't think Jimmy would be a good lawyer.  He's right.  There's a trail of proof a mile wide.

What if proof of sabotage can help Mesa Verde recover.  That the proven circumstances allow that provisional path.  Would that not be actually the right thing to do?  And unfortunately for Kim, her relationship to Jimmy will hurt her in this case.  She might immediately become persona non grata.  That is all on Jimmy.

As far as Jimmy and Kim, he isn't looking out for her best interest.  Her best interest was to take that other job.  It was a great opportunity.  But that would mean she's even further from his social circle, which reduces his chance to end up with her long term.  Let's not even get into the fact that he also derailed her at HHM.

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This episode solidified Chuck's status as a total bastard. :lol We now know that it's not just that he doesn't care - he has had a grudge against Jimmy for a while, and one that Jimmy is entirely unaware of. And he also knows full well that Jimmy cares about him, but abuses that knowledge to get him to confess.
Kind of like when Jimmy sent Ernesto away so he could sabotage Chuck, even leaving him alone unattended.  Jimmy put Chuck's life in danger on multiple occasions.  Chuck is just making Jimmy answer to his own actions.

And this is why the series is so great, like Breaking Bad.  All the characters have flaws as well as impressive traits.  And a lot of it is not based off one moment, but a series of forks in the road.  Where a lie is needed to cover another lie and so on.  And although some events/characteristics might be exaggerated, most seem quite relatable and plausible.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 20, 2016, 06:52:14 AM
I disagree with pretty much everything you just said, so I guess let's agree to disagree. :lol The only specific point I'll make is that nothing Jimmy has done could reasonably be seen as putting Chuck's life in danger.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 20, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
I'm not really looking for agreement anyway.  I think the TV show is cool because it creates a lot of grey.  So the viewers will have different takes.  It is fun to talk about.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: kaos2900 on April 20, 2016, 08:10:32 PM
Chucks an asshole who is obviously crazy and envious of jimmy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: kaos2900 on April 21, 2016, 06:46:54 AM
Didn't love the finale. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't the best episode of the season. And I stand by my post above that Chuck is an asshole and is acting like a little bitch. I read IGN's review of the episode and I agree with their statement that Chuck is the most despicable villain in the Breaking Bad/BCS universe.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on April 21, 2016, 09:55:21 AM
Saw Chuck's 'moment' from a mile away.  But, it was still quite an ending.  He has 'Slippin' Jimmy' in his blood as well, but with hate and malice.

Mike's note was the big unexpected moment of the show.

Yeah, I actually thought to myself when he was digging through the trunk with chop sticks that he was looking for a recorder....then once he started in the way he did on Jimmy it was pretty obvious he was playing to Jimmy's weakness to always 'protect' and care for him.

and that note to Mike....I've never watched BB so I don't know if that'd had been from a character from that show that is to come or not....still pretty chilling being that Mike seemingly always has the upper hand.

You have 41+ weeks to watch BB until Season 3 of BCS ;)

Seriously:  we had a friend who pushed that show on us, and am so glad she did. 

As to Jimmy and Chuck:  Jimmy sees people who are wronged, feels it in his heart, and tries to right it. 

Chuck:  all cold, calculated ego and business, with a vendetta.  So what if he knows that Kim was wronged, treated like dirt (he was cold to her as well, but got her out of the dungeon).....it was all about ego and sticking it to his brother's friend when he helped take back Mesa Verda.

The Walter White moment:  take a job with Grey Matter, have insurance for treatments......show is over.
Chuck:  let Kim have Mesa Verda, and move on.

And yet, one of the most sympathetic 'villians' ever created.  We winced while he was in the ER and during the CATscan. 

As to the finale:  The penultimate episodes tend to be the 'best', with the last one more of a next season opener.  But always with a twist.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on April 21, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
I read IGN's review of the episode and I agree with their statement that Chuck is the most despicable villain in the Breaking Bad/BCS universe.

They didn't say villain, they just said "character", which I disagree wholeheartedly with. Marie was a thousand times more annoying than Chuck has ever been.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Calvin6s on April 21, 2016, 11:44:51 AM
The Walter White moment:  take a job with Grey Matter, have insurance for treatments......show is over.
Chuck:  let Kim have Mesa Verda, and move on.
Are you suggesting that Chuck is the Walter White role and Jimmy is the Jesse role?  Interesting.

But I have another moment for you:
Jimmy:  let Kim take new position at Schweikart & Cokely.  Mesa Verde stays at HHM and gets properly serviced.  Kim takes a huge leap in her career and becomes the attorney she was meant to be.  The ugly events thereafter never happen.

But that is drama.  If people didn't make bad decisions, there would be no drama.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2016, 04:37:55 PM
Didn't love the finale. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't the best episode of the season. And I stand by my post above that Chuck is an asshole and is acting like a little bitch. I read IGN's review of the episode and I agree with their statement that Chuck is the most despicable villain in the Breaking Bad/BCS universe.

Sounds to me like some are you are caught up in the moment. ;)

Chuck is worse than Gus? 

Worse than Jack?

Worst than Todd??

No freaking way.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on April 21, 2016, 06:16:58 PM
I loved the season through and through. Great final episode. It wasn't overly overdramatic and one of those now typical "we gotta have flare and explosions and fuck everything up because FINALE" episodes but it shot the story forward and set up for some amazing things in the future, which is what a good finale should do. I'll just echo the statements made on Chuck with one amendment in that the only reason he's a wee bit more despicable than Jimmy is that he is deluded in thinking he is "better", by that I mean morally, emotionally, intellectually. They're brothers in every sense of the word going beyond blood; they're the same, it's just that Chuck plays the system from within and with the parameters of the law in mind instead of saying fuck it.

But I loved everything. Once again though, my absolute favorite facet of the season was Mike's story and the characters surrounding him. Ignacio is really something and is very interesting as the bad guy with a smidgen of good ("good" might be pushing it, more like "leniency/mercy/logic"). But overall it was just a super sweet cherry on top of an already fantastic peach cobbler (cause fuck cake). Can't wait for the next season!

Oh and the homages and nods to BB were just fucking beautifully done and really satisfying as a BB addict. They were quick, to the point, weren't thrown in our faces or done without reason and were just totally great.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 21, 2016, 11:56:12 PM
Didn't love the finale. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't the best episode of the season. And I stand by my post above that Chuck is an asshole and is acting like a little bitch. I read IGN's review of the episode and I agree with their statement that Chuck is the most despicable villain in the Breaking Bad/BCS universe.

Sounds to me like some are you are caught up in the moment. ;)

Chuck is worse than Gus? 

Worse than Jack?

Worst than Todd??

No freaking way.
Those characters are different. Maybe "most despicable" isn't the right phrase, but all those characters are brutal, heartless killers, but for business reasons. What they do is illegal and wrong, but there's a simple logic to it as they do it for their own benefit. Whereas Chuck's actions are personal - treating Jimmy like shit doesn't benefit him or anyone else. He just does it because he doesn't like Jimmy and has an unreasonable grudge against him.

So while those you listed are worse people, they're far more likeable. Chuck is just all-round awful.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on April 26, 2016, 05:39:36 PM
The Walter White moment:  take a job with Grey Matter, have insurance for treatments......show is over.
Chuck:  let Kim have Mesa Verda, and move on.
Are you suggesting that Chuck is the Walter White role and Jimmy is the Jesse role?  Interesting.

But I have another moment for you:
Jimmy:  let Kim take new position at Schweikart & Cokely.  Mesa Verde stays at HHM and gets properly serviced.  Kim takes a huge leap in her career and becomes the attorney she was meant to be.  The ugly events thereafter never happen.

But that is drama.  If people didn't make bad decisions, there would be no drama.

That would work as well.  I kept hoping that Jimmy becoming Saul was from being backed into a corner, or just saying 'eff it'...due to events beyond his control,....not from things he had a hand in to a certain degree. 

btw...I never thought of Chuck as the 'Walter White', but now that you mentioned it, it does kinda fit.  Good point!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 14, 2017, 08:15:38 PM
bump.

Season 3 Premiere Monday April 10th
https://www.tvguide.com/news/better-call-saul-season-3-premiere-date-amc/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtkiCGzv3Zw

Gus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8vfckXAPJ8
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 15, 2017, 03:55:40 AM
While marketing-wise it makes sense to tease Gus' return, I would have preferred for him to appear unannounced and out of the blue.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on January 15, 2017, 07:25:09 AM
The first letters from last season's episodes spelled out 'Fring's Back', so this just confirmed it....and the ad gave me and my wife such a huge smile.  We're starting our rewatch of Season 2 in a couple of weeks.  This will add to the enjoyment.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on January 15, 2017, 10:40:04 PM
Yeah, I don't know that they would have been able to keep his return a secret even if they wanted to. Very much looking forward to season 3 though.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on January 16, 2017, 07:32:06 AM
In season two there were many hints to Gus' presence and I think it was inevitable given that Mike works for him in Breaking Bad so I don't know if it was really a surprise but more of an eventuality.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on January 16, 2017, 10:49:00 AM
Yeah there was zero surprise potential, the creators and producers were talking about this before the show even started. Super excited to see it becoming a reality and I am way overdue for more Saul. I'm absolutely going to rewatch the first two seasons though, I've only had one go at both of them and need to refresh myself and dive into the world again.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on April 13, 2017, 04:06:57 PM
Well, he's back!

Thoroughly enjoyed the episode, the after show 'forum', and then the episode again. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on April 14, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
Finally got around to seeing this. I liked it, and am looking forward to the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 14, 2017, 10:30:40 AM
Saw it yesterday, nice to have the show back.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 18, 2017, 02:39:17 PM
I loved the whole scene of Jimmy bursting into Chucks house literally seconds after Chuck promised Howard he would do it.  :lol

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on April 18, 2017, 02:48:29 PM
Why the fuck is Chuck such an insane, despicable asshole?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 18, 2017, 02:51:23 PM
Why the fuck is Chuck such an insane, despicable asshole?

I think it boils down to the fact that he knows Jimmie is smarter than him and is a better person than he is.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on April 18, 2017, 03:04:54 PM
I think there has to be more to it than simply jealousy, although lots of stuff portrayed in the series (flashbacks as well) really do make it seem as such. But often I just really feel like Chuck is a bad person, despite (or beyond) being jealous. The scene in which their mother died (flashback, season 2?) comes to mind, but also the scene in which Saul/Jimmy goes out for dinner at Chuck's place when he was still married. He's just an asshole all the way.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2017, 06:00:23 PM
Why the fuck is Chuck such an insane, despicable asshole?

I think it boils down to the fact that he knows Jimmie is smarter than him and is a better person than he is.

I am not sure I agree with either of those.

If you watch BB, you will see that Jimmy/Saul is not a better person than Chuck (unless Chuck at some point has no problem recommending prison shankings :lol).

As for who is smarter, that is hard to say. Chuck is obviously brilliant, and for all of his behavior directed towards Jimmy, he is mostly right about him.  Jimmy is just much more likable, not to mention being the show's protagonist, so we are basically programmed to like Jimmy and hate Chuck.

All that aside, terrific episode last night.   Howard sneaking through the backyard was hysterical, it was good to see some new/old faces (Gus, Victor, Francesca), and since we know Kim and Chuck do not make it to BB, I can't wait to see what their character arcs are.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 20, 2017, 03:07:36 PM
The first two episodes have been fantastic so far. I'm getting really spoiled with the TV shows on so far, The Leftovers, Veep, Fargo & Better Call Saul all have been stellar so far. With Silicon Valley returning this sunday I can't wait.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on April 26, 2017, 01:47:07 PM
Did anyone see Episode 3 yet? I won't go into details (because, you know, spoilers), but some interesting things are set in motion. While the first two episodes were slightly slow (even for BCS standards), there's a bunch of stuff happening in this one.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on April 26, 2017, 06:18:56 PM
Yeah, really enjoyed this week's episode. Funny seeing how the pre-credits scene tied back into what happened later in the episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2017, 11:41:03 PM
Yeah, really enjoyed this week's episode. Funny seeing how the pre-credits scene tied back into what happened later in the episode.

As soon as I saw the shoes I knew it was a setup like how they would do in breaking bad. Awesome episode as always. I love the Gus & Mike scenes and can't wait for the eventual working together arrangement. I really wonder what Vince and company have in store for the show and the part that's set in the present, l really wonder if they'll explore more breaking bad territory post Walter White. I'm guessing they'll want to do 3, maybe 4, more seasons and call it quits so I'm curious how it goes.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 27, 2017, 12:01:29 AM
Actually the more I think of it, that opening scene might be set in the breaking bad timeline after Mike is in a shootout in the Los pollos truck since that's what drives by. Plus the color grading is different in the opening scene, the shot up Alto sign, the faded shoes.


And even more that I think about that episode, the more stuff I find that references breaking bad, the cigarettes that Jimmy smokes are what Jesse used in BB. I keep reading and thinking of cool stuff in that episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on April 27, 2017, 06:18:48 AM
I think the opening scene is set in a pretty distant future (respective to the rest of the episode). The shoes are all worn down and coloured differently. I don't know whether the truck is the same as in Breaking Bad, since Gus used his Pollos trucks pretty much all the time.

the part that's set in the present, l really wonder if they'll explore more breaking bad territory post Walter White.

What part that's set in the present? So far we only got some random Cinnabon scenes with 'Gene'.

I'm guessing they'll want to do 3, maybe 4, more seasons and call it quits so I'm curious how it goes.

Really? That seems like much, but all the better for us I suppose :D
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 27, 2017, 06:44:10 AM

the part that's set in the present, l really wonder if they'll explore more breaking bad territory post Walter White.

What part that's set in the present? So far we only got some random Cinnabon scenes with 'Gene'.


Yeah that's what I'm wondering, if they'll ever decide to show more of Gene's life.

And come to think of it 3-4 more seasons might be stretching it. I can see 2 more being realistically done, I guess it depends on what more Vince and company feel they can offer to the Saul story.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on April 27, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
We'll probably see something of merit actually happen in the 'Gene' timline, otherwise I don't think they'd take the time to show it to us. It may not be something huge, since it's not the focus of the show, but something.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2017, 05:10:34 PM
Yeah, really enjoyed this week's episode. Funny seeing how the pre-credits scene tied back into what happened later in the episode.

Vince Gilligan is the master of foreshadowing, especially in those cold openings.  Geez, I cannot even count how many BB episodes had a cold opening that foreshadowed something later that episode, that season, or even later in the series.

As for this week's episode, I thought it was fantastic.  I think Jimmy is finally ready to cut the emotional ties to Chuck loose and burn him down.  Chuck does want to go to court, hence him suggesting the deal to the PA, which Jimmy knows.  Jimmy will take it to court and will know exactly what to do to make Chuck look like a crazy person in front of a judge and jury.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on May 01, 2017, 11:58:10 PM
What an amazing few weeks it's been to be watching all this awesome TV. This episode of BCS could easily have been a Breaking Bad episode, the writers on this show are fantastic and know how to keep the tension going. They're tying the two shows so effortlessly without missing a beat on the main character.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2017, 06:10:18 AM
Fantastic episode.  It feels now that it's gone from a show about Jimmy McGill to a full blown BB prequel.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2017, 09:33:38 AM
Fantastic episode.  It feels now that it's gone from a show about Jimmy McGill to a full blown BB prequel.  :tup :tup

Guess I really need to watch BB. I love BCS a ton and apparently judging from the insistence from you, my brother and everyone else who's watched BB....BB is a really good show  :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on May 02, 2017, 12:04:01 PM
^
The very first scene of last night's episode...man in the pool.....yet another 'Easter Egg' for us BB fans.  Along with the tequila (?) bottle on the table.  As well as the ending of the first scene, with Hector standing alone, and.....wind chimes 'dinging' in the background (mentioned on the avclub websites comments, so we watched that scene over again).

Interesting to read all comments, those tired of this, tired of that.  I tell ya, two weeks ago was boring, and then Jimmy flies off the handle and heads over to Chuck's to confront him.  Last week's buildups and glorious visual ending, this week's EVERYTHING. 

Ab so lute lee superb!!!

Only six more episodes left this season (frick)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2017, 12:20:47 PM
Fantastic episode.  It feels now that it's gone from a show about Jimmy McGill to a full blown BB prequel.  :tup :tup

Guess I really need to watch BB. I love BCS a ton and apparently judging from the insistence from you, my brother and everyone else who's watched BB....BB is a really good show  :lol

No, no, it's not just "a really good show"; it's the best show ever. :coolio
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on May 02, 2017, 12:28:15 PM
BCS continues to deliver. Three amazing episodes thus far, with a fourth waiting for me tonight.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on May 02, 2017, 01:17:37 PM
Best episode of the season so far. Great stuff.

Fantastic episode.  It feels now that it's gone from a show about Jimmy McGill to a full blown BB prequel.  :tup :tup

Yeah I'm really getting that feeling now too.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on May 02, 2017, 08:26:49 PM
Fantastic episode.  It feels now that it's gone from a show about Jimmy McGill to a full blown BB prequel.  :tup :tup

Guess I really need to watch BB. I love BCS a ton and apparently judging from the insistence from you, my brother and everyone else who's watched BB....BB is a really good show  :lol

Bold move watching BCS not having seen BB. While I guess you strictly don't need to watch BB to enjoy BCS, you'll really appreciate all the nuances of the characters you keep seeing in BCS. They're starting to really merge the two worlds now with lots more events, places and characters from BB being included in BCS. I'm sure you'll enjoy BB just as much if not more. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on May 03, 2017, 02:29:05 AM
Fantastic episode.  It feels now that it's gone from a show about Jimmy McGill to a full blown BB prequel.  :tup :tup

Guess I really need to watch BB. I love BCS a ton and apparently judging from the insistence from you, my brother and everyone else who's watched BB....BB is a really good show  :lol
Just for balance, I found BB good but not that great. BCS is vastly superior in my opinion.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on May 03, 2017, 05:36:09 AM
I think both are about as good in general, but Breaking Bad reached such incredible highs in certain places that I'm not sure BCS could reach.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 03, 2017, 06:03:25 AM
Well, we likely haven't seen those heights within BCS yet. Everything up to Episode 3 is certainly leading up to some.
I haven't seen Episode 4 yet, and I will do so tonight :) looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on May 03, 2017, 06:55:30 AM
Fantastic episode.  It feels now that it's gone from a show about Jimmy McGill to a full blown BB prequel.  :tup :tup

Guess I really need to watch BB. I love BCS a ton and apparently judging from the insistence from you, my brother and everyone else who's watched BB....BB is a really good show  :lol

Bold move watching BCS not having seen BB. While I guess you strictly don't need to watch BB to enjoy BCS, you'll really appreciate all the nuances of the characters you keep seeing in BCS. They're starting to really merge the two worlds now with lots more events, places and characters from BB being included in BCS. I'm sure you'll enjoy BB just as much if not more. 

I gotta say, there are certain things in life some of us will never experience, and getting to watch BCS first and then BB is one of those things for me and a lot of others. I think it'll end up being really cool to do things that way, and give him a whole different perspective on a lot of things.

And as with BB Mike continues to be my favorite character.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 03, 2017, 06:59:16 AM
Yeah, Mike is awesome.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 03, 2017, 10:58:13 AM
Fantastic episode.  It feels now that it's gone from a show about Jimmy McGill to a full blown BB prequel.  :tup :tup

Guess I really need to watch BB. I love BCS a ton and apparently judging from the insistence from you, my brother and everyone else who's watched BB....BB is a really good show  :lol

Bold move watching BCS not having seen BB. While I guess you strictly don't need to watch BB to enjoy BCS, you'll really appreciate all the nuances of the characters you keep seeing in BCS. They're starting to really merge the two worlds now with lots more events, places and characters from BB being included in BCS. I'm sure you'll enjoy BB just as much if not more. 

I gotta say, there are certain things in life some of us will never experience, and getting to watch BCS first and then BB is one of those things for me and a lot of others. I think it'll end up being really cool to do things that way, and give him a whole different perspective on a lot of things.

And as with BB Mike continues to be my favorite character.

I'm 'scared' to start BB only because I know that once I do I won't stop until I'm done....not sure if I'm ready for that type of sacrifice yet  :lol   That's a lot of lost sleep being that the only time I could possibly watch due to 'real life' responsibilities would be starting after 9:00-9:30.....and we all know that you don't just watch one or two episodes when you have them ALL right there!

I'm looking forward to watching as this last episode more than any before I could really sense there was a lot of BB 'easter eggs' going on. But I will say this...having not watched BB has not tainted how great this show is. I think they've done a great job of appeasing the BB fans with the subtle connections yet making this show an awesome stand alone show on its own.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 03, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
I just watched the latest episode and here's a couple of thoughts (SPOILERS):

- The episode started off surprisingly well in not even showing Jimmy for the first 25 minutes :lol
- Great opening scene!
- First thought after the last scene: Kim taped Chuck confessing that he made a duplicate, using his own trick on him.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 03, 2017, 07:47:21 PM
I don't think that last scenario would help Jimmy in preventing him from being disbarred.  If anything, it might get Chuck disbarred, too, since the Bar is not big on lawyers being involved in such shenanigans, but Jimmy's end goal is not to take Chuck down with him; it's to do whatever he can to keep his license to practice law.

Given Gilligan's history with BB, I am sure whatever happens will be something none of us see coming, will be awesome, and will make us all think, "Wow, that seemed so obvious and natural."
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on May 05, 2017, 04:45:58 PM
'Bingo' was key.

fwiw....my wife and I did not see an episode of BBad until three years ago.  We finished after the first season of Saul.  We then started on BCS, and have been weekly viewers since the beginning of Season 2.  One appreciates the nuances and writing and cinematography more when a week elapses instead of binge watching.

Had someone only watched BCS, one can certainly appreciate and enjoy this series......because it stands on its own.  They would certainly miss out on the 'greedy' little fun the rest have when those Easter Eggs appear.

Wish there were 15 episodes per season...............
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on May 08, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
One Huell of a great episode!!!!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 08, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Yep, stellar episode.

The irony for Chuck is that he was outsmarting Jimmy at every turn when on the witness stand...until Jimmy played his wild card.  Then he melted down.

Jimmy won't get out of this without a scrape, however.  The bar will smack his hands hard for the chicanery he pulled.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 08, 2017, 10:13:28 PM
Yep, stellar episode.

The irony for Chuck is that he was outsmarting Jimmy at every turn when on the witness stand...until Jimmy played his wild card.  Then he melted down.

Jimmy won't get out of this without a scrape, however.  The bar will smack his hands hard for the chicanery he pulled.

Ehh. I don't think Chuck as outsmarting him at all. I think Jimmy knew every response Chuck would give and led him right down the path to his self destruction

Great Episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on May 08, 2017, 11:31:19 PM
The Saul Goodman team is almost there! What an episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on May 09, 2017, 12:57:24 PM
This episode was freakin' fantastic. Probably the best of the show so far!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 09, 2017, 04:12:27 PM
Damn, just watched that. It was insane!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 09, 2017, 05:44:37 PM
IIRC, we didn't see Huell till Season 4 of BB, so where was he before then? :P
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 10, 2017, 05:07:19 AM
Damn, just watched that. It was insane!

I posted this yesterday, because these were basically my first thoughts after watching that episode, but since then, I have been replaying the events in this episode in my head. I'm completely overwhelmed really, this was some absolutely outstanding television and without a doubt the best episode in the entire series so far.

What made this episode so great for me, was that it plays out in just three scenes (of which two very short ones) and the entire courtroom scenes was so meticolously detailed. There was so much stuff going on there and I believe the location for that scene was of vital importance. We already knew that the brothers' relationship was beyond saving, but to have the final nail in the coffin occur in that space in front of the people Chuck values most? Fantastic. He outsmarted Jimmy with every move, but Jimmy broke him down. Many, many kudos for the acting qualities of both Jimmy (you could see he did not like what he was doing to his brother, knowing he would break him eventually) and if Chuck's acting in the entire episode wasn't some of the best in the series, I don't know what was.

Wow.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 10, 2017, 08:08:18 AM
And I just watched those final 10 minutes again. Some more things I thought of:
- Howard Hamlin was afraid of the bad PR this could give his firm; leaving legal documents at Chuck's house. The outcome of the episode is definitely going to leave a bad reputation mark on his firm. Howard will be pissed.
- Jimmy's response to Chuck's fallout is stunning. You can see him on the verge of breaking down himself, for having to expose his brother like this before his peers.
- We know where Jimmy is going to end up, but how much further does Kim want to go with his 'chicanery'? There has to come a point in there series where she breaks ties with him. The question is when, or at what point she decides it is not in her own best interest to follow through on Jimmy's stuff. Up until now she's basically sacrificed herself for Jimmy, but in the process she lost a good job and this court case probably isn't going to help her reputation.
- The final shot of the episode, looking at Chuck in that witness booth, alone, gazing up at the exit sign; brilliant!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 10, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
This show has caught up, finally. I thought it began kinda slow, but now it's on a rampage. The BB comparisons are so on spot, and I couldn't agree more with what you folks are saying! I love how they're handling Gustavo Fring and his relationship with Hector, which feels more like an intense rivalry more than ever. In Breaking Bad we obviously saw and experienced the meltdown between those two, but from the very beginning of that series Gus had the upper hand in almost everything; but here it feels more like two kingpins struggling for the ultimate power.

Also, old meme but new for me. It made me happy.

(https://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Look+at+me+hector_4757cb_3988431.jpg)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 10, 2017, 09:00:21 AM
^ that is so wrong :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on May 10, 2017, 10:29:15 AM
Just watched the most recent episode last night, so good. I think Chuck obviously outsmarted him in making the tape and baiting him to break into the house for it, but I think Jimmy was in control the whole way for the hearing (minus having to stall because Rebecca was late). The episode was well shot and paced, and just fantastic acting all around.

Not gonna lie, I got super excited when the vet asked Jimmy if the guy he was looking for had to fit into small spaces because I knew who that meant would be showing up :lol Huell ftw.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike099 on May 11, 2017, 12:12:35 PM
Was the pick pocket guy in this last episode Sauls security in his law office in breaking bad?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Big Hath on May 11, 2017, 12:15:56 PM
that was indeed Huell
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 11, 2017, 05:01:04 PM
Was the pick pocket guy in this last episode Sauls security in his law office in breaking bad?

Yes.  His level of expertise is clearly frisking/planting something on someone, as we saw twice on BB (I won't say where for those who are still going to watch it).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on May 15, 2017, 06:39:33 PM
Almost wish last week would be 'the end'.....just because it was so immensely gratifying.  As we've learned, there are no happy endings in this BB/Saul universe.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on May 16, 2017, 04:07:40 PM
Man what an amazing episode, this merging of worlds with Breaking Bad is getting better and better with each episode and I'm almost afraid of the inevitable consequences.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2017, 07:04:31 PM
Lydia, Tyrus, the laundry!  The BB nods just keep coming!!

That said, I thought the episode was just okay overall.  Quite a letdown after last week's awesomeness.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 16, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
Welp....I've taken the plunge. As i type Walter has just collapsed at the car wash, got a scan and just been told he has lung cancer.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
Welp....I've taken the plunge. As i type Walter has just collapsed at the car wash, got a scan and just been told he has lung cancer.

 :tup :tup

Expect many late nights now, as you won't be able to stop watching. :coolio
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on May 16, 2017, 09:47:20 PM
Welp....I've taken the plunge. As i type Walter has just collapsed at the car wash, got a scan and just been told he has lung cancer.

My wife once watched 14 episodes in one day of breaking bad when she started the binge. You're in for an amazing ride and in my humble opinion, I personally feel every season gets better than the previous. That's why I rank the final season as my absolute favorite with the last three episodes possibly one of the best in TV history.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 16, 2017, 11:47:15 PM
Welp....I've taken the plunge. As i type Walter has just collapsed at the car wash, got a scan and just been told he has lung cancer.

 :tup :tup

Expect many late nights now, as you won't be able to stop watching. :coolio

Late night #1......it's 1:00am......got through the first three episodes and had to force myself to stop.

I can already see why Brian Cranston won so many Awards just three episodes in. Can't wait to watch that character grow. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 17, 2017, 05:40:34 AM
Welp....I've taken the plunge. As i type Walter has just collapsed at the car wash, got a scan and just been told he has lung cancer.

 :tup :tup

Expect many late nights now, as you won't be able to stop watching. :coolio

Late night #1......it's 1:00am......got through the first three episodes and had to force myself to stop.

I can already see why Brian Cranston won so many Awards just three episodes in. Can't wait to watch that character grow.

You ain't see nothin' yet. :hat

Although the first three episodes sucked me in immediately.  The way the Crazy-8 storyline played out over those episodes was magnificent.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on May 18, 2017, 03:54:25 AM
Back to BCS......there was no way that the recent episode could match the buildup and intensity for 'Conspiracy'.  But I think we all needed some fun and change of pace.

That said, it involved so many scenes, many characters, tons of building blocks and 'fan service' moments (Crazy 8, Lydia, the playground, the laundromat...).  We learn more about yet another character (Nacho), something Gilligan is so good at.  There was comic relief with Odenkirk shining while calling clients.  I especially love how Chuck and Howard get two sheets to the wind, and then the wonderfully filmed segment of Chuck in his Jiffy Pop hoodie on the streets of ABQ.  I always enjoy the appearances of the 'Abbey Road Gang'. 

Oh, and the character people have been waiting for finally appears, but with a twist.



Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 18, 2017, 06:06:52 AM
Those who have only see BCS, but not BB, haven't really seen the "circus clown" act of Jimmy/Saul yet, but the commercial, for them, was the first glimpse into that. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on May 18, 2017, 08:38:18 AM
Welp....I've taken the plunge. As i type Walter has just collapsed at the car wash, got a scan and just been told he has lung cancer.

There's a bit in an episode of Freaks and Geeks where a Deadhead is talking to one of the main characters and says that she wishes she had never heard American Beauty so she could hear it again for the first time. Breaking Bad is a show I feel that way about, enjoy the ride :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2017, 08:56:09 AM
Those who have only see BCS, but not BB, haven't really seen the "circus clown" act of Jimmy/Saul yet, but the commercial, for them, was the first glimpse into that.

I was talking to my brother (who has seen BB) and the 'birth' of Saul Goodman seemed a bit anti climactic. Very subdued and nonchalant which seems very appropriate. It's great that it wasn't some huge deal but just an off the cuff shoot from the hip moment from Jimmy
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 19, 2017, 02:03:08 PM
'It's just a name.'
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2017, 04:25:41 PM
I really enjoyed the introduction of Saul being such a "subtle" moment.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 20, 2017, 03:25:18 AM
Honestly, that last episode didn't do a whole lot for me. It left the viewer hanging on quite a lot of things, namely:

- the cold-open was pretty disgusting, with Hector forcing Nacho to beat up Krazy-8 and then Nacho hrting himself with the sowing machine. I was having dinner while watching that; not a great combination.
- alright, we got to see the laundry (what was Lydia doing there?), but the rest of that scene was rather pointless
- Chuck and Howard want to 'move on', but Chuck walking around the city with his tinfoil suit doesn't exactly make him look smart. He's clearly distraught about the outcome of the court case and is probably questioning his own sanity. The end of the scene - him calling his former doctor - is again an unresolved plotline
- the fuck is Nacho going to do with that pill? Obviously he's not going to drag his father into Hector's drug business, but Nacho was not featured in Breaking Bad. Something is bound to go wrong between him and 'Don' Hector. I found Hector's personality not very convincing here - why would he want to have innocent civilians (ie Nacho's father) operating for him?
- the first airing of 'Saul Goodman' was pretty funny, but I wonder how Jimmy is going to spend his time for the next 12 months.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ChuckSteak on May 20, 2017, 10:12:55 AM
I think most episodes leave the viewer hanging on some things. That's why there are new episodes and new seasons and that's why the story moves forward and things are explained. If everything was so obvious and all the answers were there, there wouldn't be any reason to make a new episode or to keep watching the show.

The point of the first scene was actually to show how stressful Nacho's job is becoming and what sort of things he has to do. It shows the pressure is growing and the scene with the sewing machine shows just that. The stress, the pressure. I don't think it was disgusting. They didn't even show him beating the guy. Tuco's scene beating Mike was much more violent and they showed everything. The directors and creators of the show are innocent that you were having dinner while you were watching or that you were digusted, because it is completely subjective. That scene was surely not done with the purpose of causing disgust to the viewer.

but the rest of that scene was rather pointless
The fact that you (or anyone) don't understand the point of a scene, doesn't make it pointless. There are so many (apparently) pointless scene in Game of Thrones, for example, that the viewer will only understand the purpose of them seasons later.

Like I said, if the series was over right now, then yea, that scene with Lydia and other scenes would have been pointless, but I think you want answers too fast. If you don't understand something or if you are asking questions, isn't it a good sign? Isn't it better than the show and the story being too obvious?

why would he want to have innocent civilians (ie Nacho's father) operating for him?
I think it is pretty clear why, if you have been watching the show. Mike sabotaged his trucks, he lost people, Gus is doing better than him, he is in a desperate situation. Do you really think people in that kind of business give a shit about their employers' father, specially when they are in such a situation and when a lot of money is involved? He just wants a new way to get his drugs into the country and that's it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on May 22, 2017, 09:35:38 PM
5/22 episode....for the first time I'm ticked with the show.  The 'characters' are that.....'characters'.  Bringing in the Sklar brothers ruined that for us.   Other than that....another very good episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2017, 09:39:16 PM
I don't even know who the Sklar brothers are, but that was a really good episode. 

Fantastic put-on by Jimmy at the end there to try and take down Chuck. 

Great to see the return of that dope who loves his baseball cards. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on May 23, 2017, 10:49:17 AM
I love that Jimmy has no remorse towards Chuck while Kim is feeling the opposite and has the guilt of trying to put on a show to convince Chuck is evil. All in all I'm also thinking the journey to a full fledged Saul Goodman is going to be less dramatic than I thought and will be over money or some other trivial reason rather than something abrupt. Just 3 more episodes left and the other storyline with Gus/Salamanca/Nacho/Mike is getting super interesting.


And that Richie Blackmore part was hilarious.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2017, 09:38:12 PM
Jimmy's film crew is hysterical.  That little scramble they did to get in the car after putting the wheelchair in the trunk had my stomach hurting with laughter.  It was like a 3 second shot of them all trying not to trip over one another. :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on May 23, 2017, 10:18:23 PM
Also the scene with Nacho waiting in the darkness after pharma boy takes forever to enter was so hilariously setup. The show is great with those kind of gags.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on May 24, 2017, 08:13:02 AM
And that Richie Blackmore part was hilarious.

"I weep for the future generations."  :D
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 27, 2017, 05:35:45 PM
Fantastic put-on by Jimmy at the end there to try and take down Chuck. 

Indeed! At first I had no idea what was happening, but then it dawned on me.

Overall, this was another weird episode with lots of stuff happening simultaneously (and Gus, nor Chuck receiving any air-time).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2017, 08:21:32 AM
I think that was a legitimate breakdown by Jimmy, who was wore down over the course of the episode by how much of a struggle every thing has become, but he managed to still manipulate the situation by slipping in the stuff about Chuck to make the insurance company raise their eyebrows.  Brilliant.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 28, 2017, 08:57:05 AM
I think that was a legitimate breakdown by Jimmy, who was wore down over the course of the episode by how much of a struggle every thing has become, but he managed to still manipulate the situation by slipping in the stuff about Chuck to make the insurance company raise their eyebrows.  Brilliant.

Yep. This. I think he lost it for a moment but then steered it to his benefit.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 29, 2017, 12:27:55 PM
I actually thought the same thing, because the first moments in the sobbing scene looked so sincere - and then came slippin' Jimmy, when he realised that insurance employee was too hellbent on rules. He could actually use her persistence to deal more damage to his brother.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bolsters on May 29, 2017, 09:59:22 PM
I thought the entire thing was a setup. Giving his name at the beginning simply as McGill so that he could correct the woman when she asked "Charles?" seemed intentional, so that she would already know his brother was a lawyer with their company when he later started to mention his problems. Much more discreet than later saying "My brother has mental issues, oh by the way he's also a lawyer insured by you".
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on May 31, 2017, 11:54:54 PM
I just found out there was no new episode this week. Why could that be?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 01, 2017, 03:46:54 AM
It was memorial day weekend which is probably why there was no episode. I was bummed as well.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on June 06, 2017, 07:01:12 PM
Glad we had a break, since there's only two left this year.

I stay up and watch the repeat every week.  Yet another top notch episode. 

btw, if I'm a basketball coach, and the game's on the line in the final seconds, I want Nacho shooting the free throws. Mr. Clutch.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 06, 2017, 08:02:32 PM
Haha yeah Nacho was clutch at crunch time. Another great episode again, Jimmy morphing towards Saul, Mike and Gus aligning with each other. Chuck is beginning to turn a new leaf I suppose. Just two more episodes left and I'm sure they'll be great.

Jimmy playing Smoke on the water while on his back was gold.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 13, 2017, 07:23:31 AM
Feeling really bad for Kim right now. I was confused about the significance of the scene of her getting stuck then almost hitting the oil rig, but now realize it was foreshadowing of her getting in an accident.

Loved Jimmy's 'game' to get pressure on the old lady to settle....and am curious about Chuck v Hamlin.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 13, 2017, 07:39:09 AM
Jimmy was really slimy towards Irene and man is he becoming for of his old con man self and easily delving into Saul Goodman territory. The last scene with Kim was brilliantly edited, I knew something was definitely going to happen but it being so sudden was such an accurate description of micro sleeps. What an awesome episode and just one more to go for the season. The show hasn't been renewed yet and I'm hoping this wont be the last. I can't imagine them not getting renewals but it not having happened already is a little concerning.
I don't think this will be the last season, if anything it may come back with an even shorter run of episodes to tie up the series.

It would be  a crying shame if it were to end, the 3 seasons so far have been some absolutely amazing TV.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 13, 2017, 09:05:58 AM
I can't imagine they wouldn't at least give them a chance to tie the series up....at minimum (6) episodes but certainly for what that team has done for AMC with BB they 'deserve' to get the chance to tell the full story.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 13, 2017, 04:30:14 PM
If their goal was to make us not like Jimmy anymore, they succeeded admirably.  What he did to Irene was absolutely despicable, possibly worse than anything Walt ever did on BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on June 14, 2017, 10:59:54 AM
I agree that the way to portray Kim's accident was a great choice. Probably the best way to make us feel as much as her as possible.

I'm pretty nervous about next week's episode. It feels like a whole bunch of things are right on the verge of going really wrong for people.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2017, 02:49:41 PM
I read that next week's episode (the season finale) is the first time that an episode was not given to critics ahead of time for them to review, so it makes me think a lot of shit is going to hit the fan.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: j on June 14, 2017, 04:15:50 PM
If their goal was to make us not like Jimmy anymore, they succeeded admirably.  What he did to Irene was absolutely despicable, possibly worse than anything Walt ever did on BB.

Despicable yeah, but not worse than the orchestrated murder of 10 inmates or whatever it was.  Looking forward to the season finale!

-J
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on June 14, 2017, 04:25:20 PM
If their goal was to make us not like Jimmy anymore, they succeeded admirably.  What he did to Irene was absolutely despicable, possibly worse than anything Walt ever did on BB.

Really? What he did was despicable, sure, but it didn't affect me nearly as much as some of the stuff that happened on BB.

I'm pretty nervous about next week's episode. It feels like a whole bunch of things are right on the verge of going really wrong for people.

Yup, a lot of stuff to happen (and to go wrong as well). Especially Howard seems to get a lot of shit over him lately, while I've never viewed him as a 'bad' person. If anything, he's probably the most honest and integer character on the show.

There's a couple of things that need to be exlained or happen still:
- what the hell was that body Mike found in Episode 8 (and what was he looking for)? (nvm, just realised that he was probably looking for the innocent guy that got killed)
- Hector has to end up in a wheelchair
- Nacho is probably going to end up dead (as he had no role in BB)

And with all the other stuff leading up to Jimmy becoming Saul, there's no way that can all be fit into one episode. There has to be another season. (Please?)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on June 14, 2017, 04:34:03 PM
^
I was going to say the exact same thing, but was at a hotel computer that did not allow me to log in.

Walt's killings of the most loyal group that Mike had surrounded himself with was .....well, the worst.  THAT was the moment I totally lost any 'cheering' for Mr. White.

As to Jimmy....was it weak writing or something else regarding Irene?  Surely, he could have had Ernesto or the nerdy prosecutor friend go to her, with a fellow elderly person to convince her to ask for something NOW?

The scene with Kim:  there are so many lawyer ads that have that same view from the passenger seat, that I was semi screaming 'NO! NO! NO!' she can't frickin die.  And then the aftermath.  That was well done x10. 

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy....why can't you help Kim staple for eff sake?  Howard:  said all we have wanted to say for all three seasons, but you let Erin hog all the settlement stuff, hoping the benefactors would croak before receiving their well deserved benefits.

'Lantern' is next.  And is it for another season.

Loved all of the background music.  Listened to 'Baby Blue' as I wrote this.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on June 14, 2017, 04:40:53 PM
The body that Mike found in the desert was [spoiler alert]

the Good Samaritan that found the driver that Mike had hogtied and duct taped when he cut the tires and found the money inside the one wheel well (he was going to shoot Hector later on when they shot and buried the truck driver)

This was the first episode I did not get to see for a repeat after its original airing.

As to the episode, as Franshesca would chokingly say ....(gasp) "Smooth."

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2017, 07:58:59 PM
If their goal was to make us not like Jimmy anymore, they succeeded admirably.  What he did to Irene was absolutely despicable, possibly worse than anything Walt ever did on BB.

Despicable yeah, but not worse than the orchestrated murder of 10 inmates or whatever it was.

I am looking at it in relative terms.  Killing people is worse than conning an elderly woman and making her lose her friends, yes, but Mike's guys in prison that Walt had taken out were all bad guys/criminals.  Not that that makes it okay, but I am just saying, what Jimmy did to was at the expense of an elderly woman who appears to be a very nice lady, and might have to spend the rest of her days alone because Jimmy turned all of her friends against her.  There is no way to sugarcoat how awful that is.

Walt's killings of the most loyal group that Mike had surrounded himself with was .....well, the worst.  THAT was the moment I totally lost any 'cheering' for Mr. White.

You are kidding with the loyal group comment, right?

First off, Chris was taking Lydia's money to kill everyone else on the list PLUS Mike.  Yep, real loyal.

Second, Dan the lawyer was flipping on all of them in the Say My Name episode.  Again, real loyal.

Lastly, Dennis (from the laundry) was ready to flip on all of them as well, before Hank blew him off to go "rattle some cages."  Again, real loyal.

So yeah, let's not romanticize a bunch of criminals and act like there was all of this honor among thieves.  The second anything went bad for any of them, they were ready to turn on everyone else.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on June 14, 2017, 11:42:47 PM
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Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on June 15, 2017, 01:27:50 AM
From a viewer's perspective, neither of those two incidents really did a lot to me. The murdering of those people in jail had no impact on me whatsoever, because they were minor characters anyway. What Saul did to Irene felt worse though, because she really is an innocent woman. You could by the way 'Jimmy' handled it that he did not like his own actions.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on June 15, 2017, 02:00:19 AM
^
Yes, it felt worse, because, after all, we like Jimmy.

Or, I should say, we used to like Jimmy up until this episode.

This whole thing somewhat speaks for society, does it not?  A thousand people die in a distant corner of the land in a foreign country, and we are 'damn, that's a pity.'  A dog that was a great companion to a neighbor or nearby friend that is horribly beaten and/or killed, and we are up in arms.

such is life
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on June 15, 2017, 02:24:32 AM
Having a bunch of people murdered is definetely so very much worse, but I also agree that the Irene thing felt worse. Probably because I think few people can actually grasp the concept of a murder fully. Of course we know it's bad, but it's so foreign and almost mythical to most of us that it's difficult to comprehend. The fear of losing your friends and the affirmation you get through them though, I imagine that hits real close to home for almost everyone. That's probably why it feels worse.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 15, 2017, 05:53:22 AM
You are always so quick to cut down others opinions to shreds, whether it is music or TV shows, aren't you?


 :facepalm:

I was not cutting your opinion down; I was disagreeing with it, and explained why.  Sorry for going into detail on a discussion forum and trying to inspire more discussion. ;)

From a viewer's perspective, neither of those two incidents really did a lot to me. The murdering of those people in jail had no impact on me whatsoever, because they were minor characters anyway. What Saul did to Irene felt worse though, because she really is an innocent woman. You could by the way 'Jimmy' handled it that he did not like his own actions.

Well said.

Having a bunch of people murdered is definetely so very much worse, but I also agree that the Irene thing felt worse. Probably because I think few people can actually grasp the concept of a murder fully. Of course we know it's bad, but it's so foreign and almost mythical to most of us that it's difficult to comprehend. The fear of losing your friends and the affirmation you get through them though, I imagine that hits real close to home for almost everyone. That's probably why it feels worse.

Great post.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on June 15, 2017, 08:50:37 AM
You could by the way 'Jimmy' handled it that he did not like his own actions.
Indeed, and that's also what makes it so interesting and emotionally difficult. Jimmy wants to do right, but has reached the point where he's no longer willing to be pushed around. And so though he hates doing it, he's willing to hurt others to protect himself. The way the show has been exploring his journey is brilliant.

Whereas Walt was kind of a dick from season 1, so while some things were shocking (like trying to have the little kid killed) it didn't have much emotional impact as I never liked him in the first place.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2017, 10:03:50 AM
Whereas Walt was kind of a dick from season 1, so while some things were shocking (like trying to have the little kid killed) it didn't have much emotional impact as I never liked him in the first place.

Totally agree with this. I really loved how great a job Cranston did portraying Walt....but as a character I never felt any sort of 'sympathy' towards him or the trials he faced because.....as the first line of the song in the last scene very accurately states......he indeed got what he deserved. Not only in the end but in every instance of that show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on June 15, 2017, 12:57:12 PM
Whereas Walt was kind of a dick from season 1, so while some things were shocking (like trying to have the little kid killed) it didn't have much emotional impact as I never liked him in the first place.

Totally agree with this. I really loved how great a job Cranston did portraying Walt....but as a character I never felt any sort of 'sympathy' towards him or the trials he faced because.....as the first line of the song in the last scene very accurately states......he indeed got what he deserved. Not only in the end but in every instance of that show.
Hang on, didn't you only start watching it like a week ago? :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2017, 01:20:20 PM
Whereas Walt was kind of a dick from season 1, so while some things were shocking (like trying to have the little kid killed) it didn't have much emotional impact as I never liked him in the first place.

Totally agree with this. I really loved how great a job Cranston did portraying Walt....but as a character I never felt any sort of 'sympathy' towards him or the trials he faced because.....as the first line of the song in the last scene very accurately states......he indeed got what he deserved. Not only in the end but in every instance of that show.
Hang on, didn't you only start watching it like a week ago? :lol

Watched all (62) episodes in 13 days  :omg:   It took some effort and a TON of lost sleep.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike099 on June 16, 2017, 10:47:16 AM
Whereas Walt was kind of a dick from season 1, so while some things were shocking (like trying to have the little kid killed) it didn't have much emotional impact as I never liked him in the first place.

Totally agree with this. I really loved how great a job Cranston did portraying Walt....but as a character I never felt any sort of 'sympathy' towards him or the trials he faced because.....as the first line of the song in the last scene very accurately states......he indeed got what he deserved. Not only in the end but in every instance of that show.
Hang on, didn't you only start watching it like a week ago? :lol

Watched all (62) episodes in 13 days  :omg:   It took some effort and a TON of lost sleep.

I thought about your post while watching the Hotels.com commercial about binge watching tv shows
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2017, 12:27:16 PM
Whereas Walt was kind of a dick from season 1, so while some things were shocking (like trying to have the little kid killed) it didn't have much emotional impact as I never liked him in the first place.

Totally agree with this. I really loved how great a job Cranston did portraying Walt....but as a character I never felt any sort of 'sympathy' towards him or the trials he faced because.....as the first line of the song in the last scene very accurately states......he indeed got what he deserved. Not only in the end but in every instance of that show.
Hang on, didn't you only start watching it like a week ago? :lol

Watched all (62) episodes in 13 days  :omg:   It took some effort and a TON of lost sleep.

I thought about your post while watching the Hotels.com commercial about binge watching tv shows

The 'negative' about binge watching a series as good as BB is that although I enjoyed it immensely I feel like there are moments/areas that I just didn't appreciate fully...parts of the story that were just incredible tend to blend all together when it's watched like that. I think had I a bit more time between episodes it'd have been even greater a show. But all in all I loved it...such a well written/acted show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 16, 2017, 08:23:28 PM
With Walt, I feel that Gilligan held back a little when it came to how far he had his character go, when you think of what his original intentions were (Mr Chips into Scarface).  I think he realized at some point that Walt was still pretty likable to a lot of fans and never really had him go over the edge to where he was completely unlikable.  For example, had he, I don't think we would have seen Walt go out of his way to try and save Hank's life like he did and then show genuine remorse over his death.  For all he did wrong, Walt did plenty right as well, and we often saw the very human side of Walter White.  Plus, his motivation was made clear from the start: a guy who felt he had wasted his life, gets diagnosed with cancer, and then acts out.  Walt's biggest deadly seven was always pride.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 19, 2017, 10:04:23 PM
Wow. What an ending  :omg:

Really hope season three is picked up.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 19, 2017, 11:27:33 PM
Excellent finale and even if the show doesn't comeback I think it would make for a decent stopping point. Have to give props again to the editors of this show, they way they unfold events and peel off the layers on each episode is fantastic.

I will be super sad if the show doesn't come back for a 4th season but keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on June 20, 2017, 01:02:26 AM
Got my hopes up big time. Trying to avoid spoiler, for I won't be able to watch it until the end of the week.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 20, 2017, 04:32:40 AM
I think as far as finales go, it's a typical BCS finale where it's less about being a dramatic finale and more tying up storylines of the season. Though I think I'd have to say this season finale is probably the most dramatic among the three.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2017, 06:03:37 AM
It's gonna be some beautiful irony when Jimmy gets most or all of that 3 million dollars that Howard gave Chuck (if Chuck dies, and assuming he cashed the check).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2017, 08:01:42 AM
Excellent finale and even if the show doesn't comeback I think it would make for a decent stopping point. Have to give props again to the editors of this show, they way they unfold events and peel off the layers on each episode is fantastic.

Yeah. I mean, they set up the 'reason' why Jimmy goes 'all in' on Saul Goodman with the brutal conversation that he and Chuck had. We saw Hector have his stroke....Mike is 'in' with Gus now....the only thing really left would be to show what happened between Jimmy and Kim.


It's gonna be some beautiful irony when Jimmy gets most or all of that 3 million dollars that Howard gave Chuck (if Chuck dies, and assuming he cashed the check).

It's certainly set up that way...


BTW...did anyone else feel extremely bad for Chuck as they showed him just fall off the deep end? I know the dude was a grade A D-Bag and all, especially after what he said to Jimmy but that was brutal to watch him go insane basically. It was like all that craziness he'd been holding back to try and prove he was fine just unleashed and he finally went off the deep end.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2017, 05:06:47 PM

BTW...did anyone else feel extremely bad for Chuck as they showed him just fall off the deep end? I know the dude was a grade A D-Bag and all, especially after what he said to Jimmy but that was brutal to watch him go insane basically. It was like all that craziness he'd been holding back to try and prove he was fine just unleashed and he finally went off the deep end.

Although there are times where it was tough, I've always felt a little bad for Chuck.  Let's face it, the guy is mentally ill. 

That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy seeing Howard stick it to him last night.

And Jimmy redeemed himself well with the Irene situation, making them all hate him just so she gets her friends back.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2017, 06:52:12 PM
Forgot to mention also the actor they cast to play a young Chuck that read that story to a young Jimmy freaking NAILED Michael McKeans speech pattern as the 'old' Chuck. It was uncanny.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 20, 2017, 08:00:00 PM
I think the creative team that Vince surrounds himself is truly gifted and always bring out some amazing performances and excellent character arcs. I appreciate and notice it a lot more on repeated viewings. Every episode is a joy to rewatch, be it BCS or BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on June 21, 2017, 03:43:02 PM
That was some stellar writing there in that final episode, with an absolute highlight in Michael McKean's performance. The way he portrays Chuck I always found great, but there were moments in this last season where he really excelled, this episode being one of them.

BTW...did anyone else feel extremely bad for Chuck as they showed him just fall off the deep end?

Yes, I did indeed, though I saw it coming the moment he began tearing down the house.

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I'm bummed we didn't get to see wheelchair Hector yet, but Nacho is going to be in some big trouble. There's no way the hospital won't find out that Hector's been poisoned.

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Jimmy's act of redemption literally made my eyes water (though I'm ridiculously tired as well) - great stuff from him to act up on his own mistakes.

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At the end of the episode I realised the beginning might have been in some way significant to the rest of the episode. It felt so disjointed, but there's a lantern in that tent. I'll have to rewatch to see if the dialogue in that scene is of any special meaning.

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Season 4 please! Renew that stuff, you can't end it here :(
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on June 21, 2017, 03:48:57 PM

I'm bummed we didn't get to see wheelchair Hector yet, but Nacho is going to be in some big trouble. There's no way the hospital won't find out that Hector's been poisoned.


I thought that the Nacho switched out the actual medicine for placebos, so that he just wouldn't have his medicine when the next attack came along. And then Nacho got the opportunity to switch the pills back in the aftermath of the episode and Hector dropping the bottle in the dirt. I think Nacho should be free and clear.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on June 21, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
People are talking as though season 4 might be canned. Is that really even remotely likely?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on June 21, 2017, 03:57:12 PM
People are talking as though season 4 might be canned. Is that really even remotely likely?

Nope, read an interview with Gilligan and Peter Gould yesterday where they basically say that the delay is just due to some recent turnover at Sony, but they fully anticipate getting another season.

edit: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fien-print/better-call-saul-season-3-finale-explained-1015384
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 21, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
Glad to read that Vince Gilligan is confident of a renewal (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fien-print/better-call-saul-season-3-finale-explained-1015384)


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We know you're not ending the series here. We know the show does well for AMC. What is the holdup on the official renewal for a fourth season?


Gilligan: Honestly, it's obviously not a secret that Zack Van Amburg and Jamie Erlicht left Sony TV and there's just a little bit of reorganizing going at Sony, but the ship, there's still folks at the tiller and and it's just a matter of  … Who the f— knows? (Laughs.) It's gonna be fine. The timing was a bit unfortunate in that there's a little bit of stuff up in the air over at Sony, but it'll all get worked out. A couple of good guys left Sony, but there's a lot of good people still at Sony and it'll all get worked out. We're going forward with the certainty that there is gonna be more and it's just a matter of logistics as to when, exactly, it gets going. We're not worried. I say that having absolutely been worried in the past. I'm [not] worried at all right now. We're gonna forward. There will be a season four. The only question is when will it go on air.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on June 21, 2017, 04:17:26 PM

I'm bummed we didn't get to see wheelchair Hector yet, but Nacho is going to be in some big trouble. There's no way the hospital won't find out that Hector's been poisoned.


I thought that the Nacho switched out the actual medicine for placebos, so that he just wouldn't have his medicine when the next attack came along. And then Nacho got the opportunity to switch the pills back in the aftermath of the episode and Hector dropping the bottle in the dirt. I think Nacho should be free and clear.

Of course, but those doctors will find out that Hector has been poisoned regardless. Somebody is going to point fingers in some direction, though it could go either way.

Never mind, it just occurred to me that he didn't need to have been poisoned. Merely remove the working component of his heart medicine would of course be enough.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2017, 04:18:25 PM

I'm bummed we didn't get to see wheelchair Hector yet, but Nacho is going to be in some big trouble. There's no way the hospital won't find out that Hector's been poisoned.


I thought that the Nacho switched out the actual medicine for placebos, so that he just wouldn't have his medicine when the next attack came along. And then Nacho got the opportunity to switch the pills back in the aftermath of the episode and Hector dropping the bottle in the dirt. I think Nacho should be free and clear.

Yeah. They were placebos and he made the switch. But, it looked like Gus was on to him....at least thrnlook Gus gave him gave me that impression.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 21, 2017, 05:11:33 PM
Glad to read that Vince Gilligan is confident of a renewal (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fien-print/better-call-saul-season-3-finale-explained-1015384)


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We know you're not ending the series here. We know the show does well for AMC. What is the holdup on the official renewal for a fourth season?


Gilligan: Honestly, it's obviously not a secret that Zack Van Amburg and Jamie Erlicht left Sony TV and there's just a little bit of reorganizing going at Sony, but the ship, there's still folks at the tiller and and it's just a matter of  … Who the f— knows? (Laughs.) It's gonna be fine. The timing was a bit unfortunate in that there's a little bit of stuff up in the air over at Sony, but it'll all get worked out. A couple of good guys left Sony, but there's a lot of good people still at Sony and it'll all get worked out. We're going forward with the certainty that there is gonna be more and it's just a matter of logistics as to when, exactly, it gets going. We're not worried. I say that having absolutely been worried in the past. I'm [not] worried at all right now. We're gonna forward. There will be a season four. The only question is when will it go on air.

They had best start shooting right away, before Jonathan Banks looks even older.  :lol :lol

If Season 4 does end up being the last scene, I hope the storyline has a little more urgency.  I was bored to tears at times these last few episodes. 
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Post by: Elite on June 21, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
Wow, I think the slow pace is actually one of BCS's biggest charms.
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Post by: faizoff on June 21, 2017, 11:52:02 PM
Yup I understand that not everyone likes the slow pace, I personally am fine with it.
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Post by: jakepriest on June 22, 2017, 05:09:38 AM
The slow pace is alright but sometimes it really gets waaaaaay too slow. The episode after Chicanery was an example imo, was bored to tears during that one.
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Post by: ChuckSteak on June 22, 2017, 05:57:59 AM
I don't think the pace is slow at all. Watch the show for what it is, don't think about the pace.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on June 22, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
I've never found BCS slow at all, the character stories are all so engaging.

I found BB a bit slow sometimes, but not too often. As I've said before the reason I much prefer BCS is how interested and invested I am in the characters, rather than the pace of the respective shows.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
Yeah...the pacing for BCS has never bothered me. The story and character development have been spot on IMO
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on June 23, 2017, 04:51:32 AM
Finally found time to watch the finale, and I loved it. I felt bad for Chuck too as he started tearing down the house. Heavy stuff.

Forgot to mention also the actor they cast to play a young Chuck that read that story to a young Jimmy freaking NAILED Michael McKeans speech pattern as the 'old' Chuck. It was uncanny.

Agreed. You could immediately tell who it was supposed to be.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 24, 2017, 03:43:42 AM
Not sure the credibility of the source or if it's just speculation, according to this (https://www.spoilertv.com/2017/06/better-call-saul-renewed-for-4th-season.html), shooting,etc.. is scheduled to start in November this year.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on June 24, 2017, 05:05:19 AM
That would make sense, they could continue the show in Spring 2018 then.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on June 25, 2017, 10:07:13 AM
A terrific season finale.

We watched the very first BCS episode again Thurs night.  Amazing to go back and see how it all ties in with Chuck and Jimmy and this episode.

[spoiler I guess]
Terrific performance by Michael McKean.  Just when you think he can't top the courtroom scene, he pulls off his manic search.  I kept waiting for a different view of the exterior of his home on the final shot.  He never did pull a main breaker, or go into the garage.  We'll probably find out that a yard post or garage ceiling light were on.....or the spinning meter was all in his mind.  I'm also guessing his Jiffy Pop outfit might temporarily save what is left of him, if the smoke didn't kill him first.


Just happened to notice this in today's Baltimore Sun classifieds:

EDUCATION
The Baltimore Curriculum Project seeks Maryland State Certified Elementary Teachers to join an exciting new school venture for the forthcoming school year.  Please send resumes and cover letter to jmmcgill@baltimorexxx.org

Jimmy lives!!!!! :D

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2017, 02:28:32 PM
It's been officially announced that it's renewed  :metal
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 27, 2017, 03:23:08 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 27, 2017, 07:01:26 PM
Sweet.  More Gus, Mike, Jimmy, Howard and Chuck!! :tup :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on June 27, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
I'm thinking they realistically will do maybe only two more seasons. With things in the storyline getting close to the BB world they should be able to wrap everything up in 2 seasons. I wonder if Vince and company have any idea how long they want this show to play out. I can't see it going past a sixth season for sure.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2017, 07:39:46 PM
I'm thinking they realistically will do maybe only two more seasons. With things in the storyline getting close to the BB world they should be able to wrap everything up in 2 seasons. I wonder if Vince and company have any idea how long they want this show to play out. I can't see it going past a sixth season for sure.

They've said they had a (5) Season story to tell. I can't image they won't get to tell it. BCS is the third highest rated show on AMC behind the two Walking Dead shows.


Sweet.  More Gus, Mike, Jimmy, Howard and Chuck!! :tup :tup

Ummm.....no Chuck Kev. He done burnt up.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on June 27, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
We will still see plenty of him in flashbacks.  I guarantee it. :)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on March 08, 2018, 01:09:25 PM
Watched the first couple of episodes last night and really enjoyed it. I always love it when people blunder into terrifying misunderstandings, it's a wonderful comedy trope, and inadvertently crossing Tuco's abuela was gold. I always enjoyed the black humor in BB, and while I don't know if it'll hold out for long, this show seems to be more geared towards that angle.

And Nacho seems like he'll be an interesting character. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 08, 2018, 01:20:14 PM
Watched the first couple of episodes last night and really enjoyed it. I always love it when people blunder into terrifying misunderstandings, it's a wonderful comedy trope, and inadvertently crossing Tuco's abuela was gold. I always enjoyed the black humor in BB, and while I don't know if it'll hold out for long, this show seems to be more geared towards that angle.

And Nacho seems like he'll be an interesting character.

It only continues to get better. It really starts to find its footing.....especially in season 2. Season 3 was really good as well. I recall reading somewhere that they have a (5) season 'plan' in place that would pretty much take them up to when we meet 'Saul' in BB.


I actually started BCS prior to seeing BB and enjoyed it even without the callbacks and references. It stood on its own pretty good. Only after I binged BB did I realize that I missed some references here and there....but all in all I think it does stand well as its own show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on April 01, 2018, 08:13:03 PM
No spoilers below.

Jesus fucking christ Season 3 IS SO GOOOOOOOD. I am enjoying some aspects and parts of this show more than Breaking Bad. The writing and insanely tense scenes coupled with the few dark comedic aspects left are truly miraculous. Gilligan and Co. are true masterminds. I didn't think this would be anything more than a coattail ride when it began and I really enjoyed it at first. Then Season 2 upped my hopes that it would not only not fail or ride coattails but might shine. And now I'm honest to goodness weighing my love for BB with this show. Every single moment of Season 3 has been void of filler, filled with moments of intrigue, sweaty palms and wonder at what will happen next coupled with awesome callbacks and little hidden homages for those paying attention (and some they make obvious, but not so much that it's gross).

Truly...this is so fucking awesome; even better is that it came out of nowhere (for me at least). Just another facet of proof to me that hype is a true killer and does nothing but damper the final experience. I not only didn't hype season 3 up but didn't see or watch anything beforehand and I am loving every second of this. Now, that's probably a bit of the aforementioned but the show itself is just top notch writing, directing and has that awesome soundtrack to back it (the Mike Private Eye Jazz Jams (TM) are so great).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 01, 2018, 08:23:19 PM
Does anyone know when Season 4 premieres?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on April 01, 2018, 08:29:06 PM
The grapevine has the date anywhere from May-ish to Fall so it's up in the air as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on April 01, 2018, 08:36:20 PM
These waits between seasons are getting insane. 1.5 years between Westworld and Better Call Saul.  :censored
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on April 01, 2018, 08:49:55 PM
Hell, if it's going to equate to quality like this, I'll gladly wait years.

I couldn't give less of a shit how quick the turnout is, if the show is shit, it's all for naught.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on April 01, 2018, 08:52:10 PM
I mean, I agree. I just wish they could do it in, you know, a year. I don't have as much of a problem with Game of Thrones considering it's their final season and the episodes will be long as hell, but...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on April 01, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
Well yeah, the best of the best right now is always the best option.  :P
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 02, 2018, 12:45:42 AM
Does anyone know when Season 4 premieres?
I googled it a week ago and found some sites that said it will premiere in September.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 02, 2018, 08:30:42 AM
Does anyone know when Season 4 premieres?
I googled it a week ago and found some sites that said it will premiere in September.

Yeah....they're currently in the middle of filming it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on May 04, 2018, 12:56:11 PM
I'm about 2/3 through with the second season and really digging the shit out of this. I honestly like it better than BB, as it's generally not as dark and intense. While I certainly liked that in BB it could at times be overwhelming. There were a couple of episodes that made me stop and take a break from watching it for a few weeks. I wouldn't call BCS light-hearted, but it does tend to focus more on humor than intensity. Simply a difference between having Walt and Jimmy as protagonists.

In any case, Jimmy is relatable, interesting, and fucking brilliant. I always love watching Mike do his thing. It's got all of the touches we love from VG, from the nuanced to the grandiose. Lisa Wexler kind of does something for me. The secondary characters are all excellent. Particularly Lenny and Ed Begley Jr. It's fun to see them in serious roles. All the way around good stuff. Not sure if I'll start the third season yet or wait until after 4.

Jimmy getting himself fired from the firm was priceless. "I never thought I'd have to make an announcement like this, but. . . "

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ChuckSteak on May 04, 2018, 01:25:49 PM
Damn you. I thought there was already a release date announced for season 4.  :'(
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on May 04, 2018, 01:32:28 PM
Damn you. I thought there was already a release date announced for season 4.  :'(
LOL. To be honest, I thought there had already been 4 seasons before I started watching. I was disappointed to learn that 4 hasn't happened.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2018, 01:38:25 PM
I'm about 2/3 through with the second season and really digging the shit out of this. I honestly like it better than BB, as it's generally not as dark and intense. While I certainly liked that in BB it could at times be overwhelming. There were a couple of episodes that made me stop and take a break from watching it for a few weeks. I wouldn't call BCS light-hearted, but it does tend to focus more on humor than intensity. Simply a difference between having Walt and Jimmy as protagonists.

In any case, Jimmy is relatable, interesting, and fucking brilliant. I always love watching Mike do his thing. It's got all of the touches we love from VG, from the nuanced to the grandiose. Lisa Wexler kind of does something for me. The secondary characters are all excellent. Particularly Lenny and Ed Begley Jr. It's fun to see them in serious roles. All the way around good stuff. Not sure if I'll start the third season yet or wait until after 4.

Jimmy getting himself fired from the firm was priceless. "I never thought I'd have to make an announcement like this, but. . . "

Agree EB. It’s just as good and if not better than BB. I started with BCS then ended up watching BB......but BCS can stand on its own two feet without BB. The connection makes it ‘cool’ but BCS is very well written and the characters/actors are awesome.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on May 04, 2018, 03:02:15 PM
Well, the world of Breaking Bad was built from scratch so to speak, they had to create it, find out what was good and what was not. By the time they came to BCS they were well into the machine, with all the added experience of making Breaking Bad, so yeah, in a sense, to have Better Call Saul "better" than BB should be the least that can be expected.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on May 04, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
I want to watch the whole series again leading up to season 4. The wait's been very long and I hope there are some real big events in this season especially given how season 3 ended. It's going to be a roller coaster for Jimmy, and SPOILERS I think this is the season we'll finally start to see Saul Goodman. I hope. And I think Kim is going to bite it this season, someway, somehow. Maybe not til season 5 though...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on May 09, 2018, 11:07:34 PM
The end of season 2 was pretty good. The Jimmy cliffhanger didn't do much for me as he should have seen the setup a mile away. It certainly does reinforce what a dick Chuck is, though. I'd really like to know how Gilligan goes about casting. This is a guy that turns Hal and Lenny into genuinely bad people. How does that happen?

The Mike side of the episode was great. Up until now the show stood on its own just fine and the understanding of BB wasn't all that important. The "DON'T" note with the stick in the horn was chilling, though, and all the more brilliant given the understanding that there's only one person that could make that happen. Absolutely fantastic foreshadowing, but only with the story of BB already told. Without that foreknowledge it's just another cliffhanger--oh, I wonder what new character is going to come up.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on May 23, 2018, 11:51:13 PM
Wrapped up S3 so I read through this thread. Fascinating to see much debate over whether or not Chuck was evil. Calvin made some decent arguments on hs behalf, but he really struck me as reprehensible. Waking up in the hospital his first instinct was to use the fact that Jimmy just saved his life to try to nail him. That was pretty much the final nail in Chuck's coffin for me (and it was already pretty tightly sealed). And yet, the amazingness of Vince Gilligan, I took no joy in watching him self-destruct, despite really wanting it to happen.

Chuck was the perfect bad guy. Maybe the best I've ever seen. He had all the hallmarks. He did awful things to his brother, but from his own warped perspective he was doing them for Jimmy's own good. He made you hate him, yet he was so terribly flawed you also had to sympathize. In the end the flaws, both innate and chosen, led to his demise.

And saddest of all is that his final words were telling Jimmy "the truth is you've never mattered all that much to me." I'm not sure how truthful it actually was, but that's where he left things.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 24, 2018, 06:40:43 AM
Wrapped up S3 so I read through this thread. Fascinating to see much debate over whether or not Chuck was evil. Calvin made some decent arguments on hs behalf, but he really struck me as reprehensible. Waking up in the hospital his first instinct was to use the fact that Jimmy just saved his life to try to nail him. That was pretty much the final nail in Chuck's coffin for me (and it was already pretty tightly sealed). And yet, the amazingness of Vince Gilligan, I took no joy in watching him self-destruct, despite really wanting it to happen.

Chuck was the perfect bad guy. Maybe the best I've ever seen. He had all the hallmarks. He did awful things to his brother, but from his own warped perspective he was doing them for Jimmy's own good. He made you hate him, yet he was so terribly flawed you also had to sympathize. In the end the flaws, both innate and chosen, led to his demise.

And saddest of all is that his final words were telling Jimmy "the truth is you've never mattered all that much to me." I'm not sure how truthful it actually was, but that's where he left things.

This is a great post/observation. Friggin spot on
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on May 24, 2018, 06:51:45 PM
Michael McKean not even getting an Emmy nomination for Season 3 was such a farce. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 31, 2018, 08:56:02 PM
From BCS FB page

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You asked, we answered! Season 4 of #BetterCallSaul returns to AMC on August 6th at 9/8c. HUGE thank you to all who put together the social scavenger hunt yesterday! Stay tuned to our social pages, more exciting news and announcements on the way! #SalamancaTwins

There’s a photo with the announcement and the Salamanca twins are there
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on June 01, 2018, 09:02:05 AM
YES!! Finally!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on June 01, 2018, 01:24:33 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on June 02, 2018, 01:18:27 AM
Great news indeed!!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on June 03, 2018, 02:16:07 PM
After every season people post here hoping there's another, and then celebrate when they find out there will be. Is there really any question about it? At this point I reckon they're going to give Gilligan as many episodes as he wants to make, which they know will only be five or six seasons. Are the ratings bad or something?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on June 03, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
After every season people post here hoping there's another, and then celebrate when they find out there will be. Is there really any question about it? At this point I reckon they're going to give Gilligan as many episodes as he wants to make, which they know will only be five or six seasons. Are the ratings bad or something?

In my case (and I assume for many others) it's just excitement over finally having a release date. We're verging on almost a year and a half after the first season, so it's just really nice to finally have a premiere date.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 04, 2018, 05:16:00 AM
Sweeet!  :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: BlackInk on June 05, 2018, 02:40:53 AM
In my case (and I assume for many others) it's just excitement over finally having a release date. We're verging on almost a year and a half after the first season, so it's just really nice to finally have a premiere date.

Same.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 02, 2018, 02:57:57 PM
Trailer time:

https://youtu.be/bqkDZG1LVlc
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 04, 2018, 03:21:14 PM
Nice, can't wait!!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 19, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
This link might or might not contain spoilers

https://ew.com/tv/2018/07/17/better-call-saul-breaking-bad-scene-season-4/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 19, 2018, 05:59:56 PM
https://www.facebook.com/BetterCallSaulAMC/videos/1819427784760846/

Full trailer, I can’t fucking wait
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on July 19, 2018, 08:41:21 PM
Yesssssssss this is going to be amazing. I never, ever thought I'd like the show as much as I do. Written off as a cash grab, and now I'm debating on whether or not I might end up liking it more than BB.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on July 19, 2018, 08:44:20 PM
Yeah I was nervous at first but BCS has really turned into something special. It's just quality all around and this season looks like it'll keep that going. Looks like a certain someone is back from BB in that trailer, too, if my eyes don't deceive me.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on July 19, 2018, 08:59:24 PM
Can't wait to see where they go with this now.  Still a bummer to see Chuck go, but his departure sets the stage for the storyline to really start moving towards Jimmy becoming Saul.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 30, 2018, 12:48:46 PM
7 f*cking days!!!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 30, 2018, 01:43:36 PM
Season 5 already picked up. I recall reading a while back that the original planned run they envisioned was a 5 season run? I wonder if that has changed?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 30, 2018, 01:50:42 PM
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/Better-Call-Saul-season-4-Bob-Odenkirk-reveals-his-tattoo-1438755.jpg
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on July 30, 2018, 07:11:38 PM
Season 5 already picked up. I recall reading a while back that the original planned run they envisioned was a 5 season run? I wonder if that has changed?

I think Season 5 will be it.  Now that Chuck is dead, I think 4 will speed things up as we see Jimmy start moving towards becoming Saul, with 5 focusing on his complete changeover combined with the current state of his life in Omaha. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on July 31, 2018, 06:31:08 PM
Season 5 already picked up. I recall reading a while back that the original planned run they envisioned was a 5 season run? I wonder if that has changed?

I think Season 5 will be it.  Now that Chuck is dead, I think 4 will speed things up as we see Jimmy start moving towards becoming Saul, with 5 focusing on his complete changeover combined with the current state of his life in Omaha.
This is what everybody is looking to see. I don't get it. What more does he need to do to become Saul? Seems to me he's a tacky office, hot girlfriend, and quick name change away from being the same character he always was. The reality is that he's been a criminal lawyer since day one.

Speaking of the hot girlfriend, there are clues throughout that Kim Wexler is originally from Omaha.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on July 31, 2018, 07:10:17 PM
Honestly, I am very interested to see what happens with Saul's post-BB life.  We have just seen tidbits so far, but you know they will give us plenty more before it all ends.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2018, 07:20:47 PM
This is what everybody is looking to see. I don't get it. What more does he need to do to become Saul? Seems to me he's a tacky office, hot girlfriend, and quick name change away from being the same character he always was. The reality is that he's been a criminal lawyer since day one.

While I agree with what you’re saying....Jimmy still has the tendency to try or want to do the ‘right’ thing at the end of the day. You can sense some remorse in his character. I think Kev’s just talking about him getting to the full blown Saul point of not giving a crap about any of it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on August 01, 2018, 06:15:16 AM
Honestly, I am very interested to see what happens with Saul's post-BB life.  We have just seen tidbits so far, but you know they will give us plenty more before it all ends.

This kinda offers some interesting way to look back at his character.

In Breaking Bad Walter White was the protagonist, we followed his journey and while of course some deaths greatly mattered (For anyone living under a rock and still following this thread I'll just name the Ozymandias one), some others were random goons.

Saul was the comic relief, he was there from time to time to do his job, and then he got shipped away to Omaha with a new identity. Ok, Saul at least's gonna get out of there alive, bye bye, now let's focus on the final two episodes ever!

....and then you watch Better Call Saul, and that ending hits you hard. You watch good hearted Jimmy, that for all his mistakes could get his life straight if he'd believe more in his good side, and you know that it's all gonna be in vain and that he's going to hide away from everyone he ever knew to live a life under cover in Omaha. That's quite a terrible fate, even if he got away with his life.

This could be expanded to every other character I guess, for example that chubby dude in the white dress that got shot and killed early in the series, Jesse's friend.... see, I don't even remember his name but in that universe he had a family, friends, people who suffered greatly for his untimely and violent death.

This happens anyway in real life, we concentrate on our friends and family because we cannot grieve for any random kid that gets killed in a faraway country or for a celebrity that passes away, but if we'd get to see the good sides of everyone in the Breaking Bad universe, we'd get the full extent and enormity of all the pain Walter caused more or less indirectly with his actions.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on August 01, 2018, 08:29:04 AM
Honestly, I am very interested to see what happens with Saul's post-BB life.  We have just seen tidbits so far, but you know they will give us plenty more before it all ends.
Well, there's every possibility Wexler is involved, the Omaha thing. There's also a preview clip (which I've been unable to see) of the intro that shows Gene being asked for his driver's license and SS number in the ER, which might be problematic for him. Seems to me that for what they paid they should have been provided proper documentation, but as a plot device it might not be the case.

Perhaps Gene's collapse is the beginning of his own Walter White style breaking bad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 01, 2018, 06:48:23 PM
Very true.

What was great about Saul on BB was that while, yes, he was comic relief, he could also be very serious and pragmatic when the situation called for it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 03, 2018, 04:05:30 AM
As someone who just finished season 3 and watched the 3 seasons in 2 weeks, I think the whole Chuck/Jimmy sibling relationship is just so fascinating. What makes it great is you can see it from both their sides and completely understand their motivations and actions. Chuck is sort of the Skyler of the show - the "normal" person close to the protagonist making their shady decisions fire back and so you're inclined to dislike them, yet if you try to see it from their side i think their decisions make sense. I think that's something Gilligan does really well is very human characters with flaws who has good sides and bad sides.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on August 03, 2018, 01:18:11 PM
As someone who just finished season 3 and watched the 3 seasons in 2 weeks, I think the whole Chuck/Jimmy sibling relationship is just so fascinating. What makes it great is you can see it from both their sides and completely understand their motivations and actions. Chuck is sort of the Skyler of the show - the "normal" person close to the protagonist making their shady decisions fire back and so you're inclined to dislike them, yet if you try to see it from their side i think their decisions make sense. I think that's something Gilligan does really well is very human characters with flaws who has good sides and bad sides.
I haven't seen you here in ages. You been around all this time, or did you disappear and return at some point? Maybe it's just the new avatar.

Being able to understand Chuck's point of view, as well as understanding his illness, is what made his character such a phenomenal antagonist. You really hated him for what he did. You really felt bad for him for being nuts. You really understood why he did what he did. This is a Shakespearean level antagonist with a pathos that lays on you like a ton of bricks. I really wanted him to die. I understood why he needed to die. I took zero satisfaction from his death, though. That's some high quality writing and some even better acting.

I watched bits of the final S3 episode the other night, and I've decided that Howard killed Chuck. Mania and Jimmy are both things Chuck had adapted to. Nothing there is going to push him over the edge. Howard shelling out 9 million of his own dollars just to get rid of him was a gut punch that really flattened him, though. You could see him dying as it happened, and while Howard delivered his farewell speech. He was crumbling inside. It was also a remarkable failure on Chuck's part. His reading of the situation with Howard couldn't have been more wrong, and his standard technique for dealing with things like this blew up in his face. He really thought he was going to talk his way out of his trouble and never could have foreseen what actually happened. This was an existential shot to the gut that he was simply not in a position to cope with given the other things in his life.

Howard's been a remarkably understated character. There's a whole lot more going on inside his head that what we've seen. I'm guessing he's a major antagonist going forward, which will be all the more interesting because I think he's sincere when he expresses fondness for Jimmy. It's really the exact opposite of what we've seen up until now. Jimmy looked up to Chuck, who was spiteful and resentful towards him. Howard actually likes Jimmy, yet represents everything that Jimmy aspires not to be.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 03, 2018, 04:39:18 PM
That's a great point about Howard and his role in Chuck's downfall and death.  The law firm was all he had left, and once that was gone, his will to live seeped out of him. Good call!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on August 04, 2018, 01:31:19 AM
It's also interesting to see how Howard was perceived through the series: annoying asshole, suddenly the good guy, then back to asshol-ish again, and then good guy again.

He's another fleshed out character, fondamentally a good person with some flaws and with a huge weight on his shoulder and he tries to deal with adversities the best way he can.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on August 04, 2018, 03:28:25 PM
It's also interesting to see how Howard was perceived through the series: annoying asshole, suddenly the good guy, then back to asshol-ish again, and then good guy again.

He's another fleshed out character, fondamentally a good person with some flaws and with a huge weight on his shoulder and he tries to deal with adversities the best way he can.
And when he was an asshole to Jimmy it was always because he was being the bad cop for Chuck. At the same time he was also often an asshole to Kim, and there's no basis for that. I really have no idea at all what makes Howard tick. What I do know is that there's six million bucks that will come into play in the next season. Chuck would never have left any part of his estate to Jimmy, that much is for sure, so I'm not sure what Jimmy's involvement in that will be, but there has to be some thorny issue that arises because of it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on August 05, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
Really enjoyed reading all of these comments.

Watched the final three episodes of Season 3 again this morning.  One of the many things I love about the show is the pace, somewhat like savoring the aromas of a long prepared meal, and then having your patience overwhelmingly rewarded with the results, as opposed to microwaved or McDonald's offerings.

From the previews, I am bracing myself for a much more BB type of violent season.  Not sure how I feel about that, but it was inevitable.  We'll just have to follow the 'In Vince We Trust' mantra.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 06, 2018, 10:07:10 AM
AN ACTUALLY USEFUL 'BETTER CALL SAUL' TIMELINE (AND WHERE 'BREAKING BAD' FITS IN)

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/better-call-saul-breaking-bad-timeline-connections?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thrillist
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2018, 09:12:39 PM
Great return! And that last scene.....wow. Talk about a change in demeanor.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on August 07, 2018, 07:16:11 AM
It's nice to finally have the show back. I thought that was a good opener. I loved how Jimmy handled the situation with Chuck... especially when he walked away from the phone call with Howard. Great to see Gus and Nacho in the first episode, my guess is that this season will heat up fast. Mike was great as he always is  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2018, 07:26:45 AM
It's nice to finally have the show back. I thought that was a good opener. I loved how Jimmy handled the situation with Chuck... especially when he walked away from the phone call with Howard. Great to see Gus and Nacho in the first episode, my guess is that this season will heat up fast. Mike was great as he always is  :biggrin:

Took me a bit to figure out what he was doing. Then I realized that he's the type of guy who can't accept $$$ without 'earning' it. After that it was neat to watch him do what he was doing.

and I've decided that Howard killed Chuck.

EB nailed it and the season opening episode solidified it. What was eerie was just how quickly Jimmy turned the page after the revelation/realization was made that it WAS Howard who ultimately pushed Chuck over the edge.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on August 07, 2018, 07:34:33 AM
^^ As soon as he said, "Well Howard, that's your cross to bear" and got up and fed the fish, got some coffee etc. with a whistle, I said to myself, "That right there is him becoming Saul." I could see it in his mannerisms and attitude. Letting someone else take all the blame for something and not letting it bother him, because Howard was convinced it was his fault anyway. I could be wrong, but I think we'll see a big shift in Jimmy this season, possibly finally adopting the 'Saul' moniker?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2018, 08:54:38 AM
Bob Odenkirk talks Jimmy's reaction to Chucks death......pretty insightful as to how he was 'playing' it.

https://ew.com/tv/2018/08/06/better-call-saul-bob-odenkirk-season-4-premiere-smoke/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 07, 2018, 03:23:16 PM
Very good episode
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 07, 2018, 06:30:04 PM
Good episode.

I was howling watching Mike act like such a boss in the Madrigal warehouse. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 07, 2018, 07:20:35 PM
(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/08235566-3B7C-4E40-879E-0DEF37890431_zps4ilkwzx5.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/08235566-3B7C-4E40-879E-0DEF37890431_zps4ilkwzx5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on August 13, 2018, 03:58:46 PM
Possible spoilers for the new season, but also a nice interview with Bob Odenkirk:

https://ew.com/tv/2018/08/06/better-call-saul-bob-odenkirk-breaking-bad-season-4/2/


I watched the first episode just now and enjoyed it a lot. I'm glad this series is back :)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 13, 2018, 08:16:12 PM
Stellar episode tonight...with a brutal ending. :eek :eek
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 13, 2018, 09:43:24 PM
Stellar episode tonight...with a brutal ending. :eek :eek

No kidding. The Kim/Howard scene was awesome. And the Copy Machine interview was classic. This show is great....in fact, I think its better than Breaking Bad.

I know there are a lot of BB die hards who will scoff at such a claim.....but, I’ve seen them both and pound for pound BCS is better IMO. Better ensemble of actors....the writing is top level....I just think it’s surpassed BB.

:flame:
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 14, 2018, 05:56:09 AM
Yes indeed, I will scoff at that claim. ;)

A better ensemble of actors?  Well, in the sense that Better Call Saul is more of an ensemble than a show with a true lead character (Odenkirk is a far better supporting actor than lead), it could be debatable, but pound for pound, BB wins easily, IMO.  Not counting the characters who were on both shows (since that can be considered a wash), BB had Bryan Cranston, who gave what some, including both Anthony Hopkins and myself, would call the greatest acting performance ever.  His performance alone elevates it.  And then of course there is Aaron Paul, who was brilliant as well; I would say he was the 2nd best from either show, so already BB has, IMO, by far the top 2 performances from either show.  Moving forward, I would say Anna Gunn and Rhea Seehorn were equally good, although I suspect many who disliked Skylar for some bizarre reason would not give Gunn props for her performance as a result. And let's not forget Dean Norris, who turned what could have been a stereotypical tough guy cop/DEA agent character into a complex one.  Michael McKean was awesome as Chuck, and Michael Mando and Patrick Fabian are really good in their roles, but Breaking Bad just seemed filled with once in a lifetime performances in a once in a lifetime show.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2018, 07:56:32 AM
Totally get your points Kev, there is no arguing how incredible the BB crew was. I loved the show as well.

I think I put BCS above BB because of Jimmy/Saul......Bob Odenkirk. I am just captivated by that character.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on August 14, 2018, 02:31:22 PM
I'm with you Gary. BB was good but BCS is easily better.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 14, 2018, 06:39:29 PM

I think I put BCS above BB because of Jimmy/Saul......Bob Odenkirk. I am just captivated by that character.

Understand. :hat

Don't get me wrong, I like the show a lot, but it just doesn't have that "I can't wait to watch it" pull that Breaking Bad had for me.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on August 14, 2018, 08:53:02 PM
BB had 'zest'....BCS has that nice, easy simmer.  BB was better, but I treasure Jimmy and Kim, and enjoy this show more (and eventually admired everything about the writing and character that went into Chuck....McKean, you deserved an Emmy nomination at the least).

How lucky that we are in Season 4, when there were worries that this would succumb to other prequel/sequel failures and crash and burn during its first year. 

'Give 'em a badge'

 

 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 15, 2018, 07:47:11 AM
Really enjoying the start to this season. Breaking Bad is still "better" for me, but BCS has to be a serious contender for best spin-off of all time.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 15, 2018, 07:12:08 PM
Why did Jimmy turned off the photocopier job? I still can’t make it
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on August 16, 2018, 02:11:04 AM
It wasn't about 'getting a job'; Jimmy needs a challenge and this was way too easy. He probably realised that he could use his talents for other things than being 'just' a salesman for a photocopy machine. And the people in that company weren't exactly his type either.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 16, 2018, 03:23:02 AM
It wasn't about 'getting a job'; Jimmy needs a challenge and this was way too easy. He probably realised that he could use his talents for other things than being 'just' a salesman for a photocopy machine. And the people in that company weren't exactly his type either.
Really? I didn't understand it this way. For me it has something to do with Chuck. After you read that interview with Bob Odenkirk about Chuck's death you get a different perspective. He has completely supressed his feelings, but the death of his brother affected him deeply. It is just unconscious.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 16, 2018, 09:09:58 AM
It wasn't about 'getting a job'; Jimmy needs a challenge and this was way too easy. He probably realised that he could use his talents for other things than being 'just' a salesman for a photocopy machine. And the people in that company weren't exactly his type either.
Really? I didn't understand it this way. For me it has something to do with Chuck. After you read that interview with Bob Odenkirk about Chuck's death you get a different perspective. He has completely supressed his feelings, but the death of his brother affected him deeply. It is just unconscious.

I think the moment he noticed the Hummels in the cabinet he had made his mind up to steal them.....and his subsequent antics/push to get hired was just his way of feeling them out to see what he'd be able to get away with. He realized they were push overs and that he'd be able to steal the valuable collectible(s) without an issue.

That was such a cool scene.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 16, 2018, 11:47:42 AM
But, will Jimmy try to steal the hummels from them or from the old lady we saw in season 3?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 16, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
But, will Jimmy try to steal the hummels from them or from the old lady we saw in season 3?

If I  had to guess it'd be them because I don't think those guys would notice right away. The old lady would probably notice instantly.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 19, 2018, 07:30:45 AM
I caught an old episode of Hunter on cable last night (from 1985) and was stunned when I realized who the guest star was...

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/41bfa35d9d8390dcad6a775f0080f67e/tumblr_inline_mueb60rEK71s8g9qk.jpg)

(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Mike-Ehrmantraut-600x339.jpg)

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2018, 12:21:09 PM
Gale!!

Oh, and something tells me that Nacho's suffering has just begun.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2018, 12:47:24 PM
Gale!!

Oh, and something tells me that Nacho's suffering has just begun.


Talk about reprising your old role in an epic re-introduction scene......What kind of song was that?  :lol  Can you imagine trying to memorize that?

And yeah....considering we never even saw Nacho in BB (but his name was mentioned) I'm thinking that he is in for some major bummer times....



Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
The actor said it was a bitch learning the song to sing :lol:

https://ew.com/tv/2018/08/21/better-call-saul-breaking-bad-david-costabile/

Also, it seems like many think that the Chuck letter Jimmy read at the end was a forged one by Kim, but I do not.  That doesn't seem like her style.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 23, 2018, 06:02:51 AM
Hmmm, I didn't even notice that the guy Jimmy used to do the B&E in this last episode was Ira from Breaking Bad.  Ira was part of the tenting team in S5:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzGHxDjkrx8 (the one sitting down in this scene)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on August 24, 2018, 04:34:37 AM
also, it seems like many think that the Chuck letter Jimmy read at the end was a forged one by Kim, but I do not.  That doesn't seem like her style.

I don't think so either, but there's more going on with Kim, by the looks of it. Either that, or she's really stricken with guilt for Chuck's death. I got a hint of that with the Mesa Verde scene. Also, we've yet to find out what she went to the courthouse for afterwards. Her breaking down at Jimmy reading the letter aloud was maybe because she expected the worst with the letter, only to find that it wasn't all that bad - and she feels bad for having hurt Chuck (and possibly Howard too), though I'm just grasping at straws at this point.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 24, 2018, 02:42:46 PM
For some reason it never clicked with me until BCS this week that the actor who plays Gale also plays Wags on Billions (the latter being in production at the same time as his scene is BCS being filmed is why Gale had facial hair). Makes me enjoy both characters more :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 24, 2018, 05:20:02 PM
(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/022CBE75-DEF8-4B3C-9FF2-085F2D1A1B3A_zpswfpo3851.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/022CBE75-DEF8-4B3C-9FF2-085F2D1A1B3A_zpswfpo3851.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on August 27, 2018, 08:53:31 AM
Last week's episode was so good - best of this season. Love the Breaking Bad vibes, the whole set-up with the car was wild. Thought the thief stuck in the office while the guy was having a marital crisis was hilarious, too. Hope tonight's is just as good - I'm rooting for Nacho to pull through and get well ASAP.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 27, 2018, 09:43:01 AM
Thought the thief stuck in the office while the guy was having a marital crisis was hilarious, too.

Yeah....that was great  :lol    Given that Jimmy sold it twice as the 'easiest' $4k you'd ever make you had a feeling there'd be a hitch to it.....and that scenario was the last thing anyone could have imagined. So random....yet so perfect. Just another example of the great writing that accompanies this show every week.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on August 27, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
Thought the thief stuck in the office while the guy was having a marital crisis was hilarious, too.

Yeah....that was great  :lol    Given that Jimmy sold it twice as the 'easiest' $4k you'd ever make you had a feeling there'd be a hitch to it.....and that scenario was the last thing anyone could have imagined. So random....yet so perfect. Just another example of the great writing that accompanies this show every week.

When he ordered the pizza and the thief looked like he wanted to cry... omg  :rollin
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on August 29, 2018, 10:20:42 AM
Excellent job by 'Neelix' as the judge.   :tup   

We're seeing the slow change of Kim questioning herself regarding Chuck, Jimmy's reaction (or lack of) to the letter, and whether she wants to be anchored down with that Mesa Verde expansion.  One never knows if she is also suffering effects of her accident.  At least it doesn't appear she's getting addicted to any pain medication ('only the good stuff' was kinda worrisome in that regards).

Nice job of the 'Hummel' guy, by paying Jimmy his full share.  'Honor among thieves'.

We're finding all that involves Nacho to be more than fascinating.  Glad the twin 'sharks' are gone for now.  Still waiting for Gomez to appear (just speculating)

We are missing the humor and silliness and cleverness that would always pop up in every episode of previous seasons to help break up the serious situations.  Even just a smiling Gus with a customer would be a nice to change of pace in such a heavy year.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 01, 2018, 09:55:22 AM
Last episode was SOOOOO good!
I would like to know now what Mike is up to as per Gus request
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on September 01, 2018, 12:19:18 PM
I'm really enjoying this season.

What was the flashback at the beginning? First thoughts it was Mike digging a hole for a deceased pet of his son's.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 02, 2018, 05:22:54 AM
https://tvline.com/2018/08/31/better-call-saul-season-4-chuck-letter-kim-jimmy-bob-odenkirk/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on September 02, 2018, 06:10:01 AM
What I thought all along. I didn’t buy into the ‘Kim wrote it’ speculation.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on September 02, 2018, 07:33:58 AM
Me neither.  That kind of cliche is something the BB/BCS writers totally avoid.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 05, 2018, 12:28:32 PM
Wow, what a great episode.
I wonder why Howard was that bad looking in the bath scene. I don’t think it is related to Chucks dead isn’t ?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on September 05, 2018, 11:53:53 PM
Howard showed obvious pain and guilt when talking to Jimmy and Kim about his death.  It was his final action of removing Chuck that helped reignite the (final) spiral Kim ripping him a new one at the office afterwards added to it. 

Rewatched episode 4 (FFing through commercials) before episode 5.  These were two terrific shows. Made no sense to make it so uncomfortable to the lab 'riders'.  Cushy seats, seat belts, low volume music, and A/C would have helped hide some of the 'mysteries'.  Plus, had to p*ss Mike off to spend 18 hours back there.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2018, 07:51:27 PM
I hate to say it, but I have went from excited about this show to bored as hell with it. I am still in it till the end, but it feels like I am forcing myself to watch it at this point.  If this weren't a BB prequel, I'd be jumping ship.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 13, 2018, 06:51:04 AM
My dad is still into the show so that's a good sign to me, I missed the last 2 episodes but hopefully will catch up this weekend. I loved this season through the first four episodes so hope it's kept up.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on September 13, 2018, 03:05:53 PM
Yeah, I really don't understand you Kev. :lol
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on September 13, 2018, 04:00:33 PM
My dad is still into the show so that's a good sign to me, I missed the last 2 episodes but hopefully will catch up this weekend. I loved this season through the first four episodes so hope it's kept up.

Thanks for the clarification, as I was a bit stunned because these last two episodes are easily the best of the season.  A lot of 'fan service', two terrific flashbacks, and some brilliant story telling with their tie ins.  I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 13, 2018, 04:40:52 PM
Loving this season just like I did the others, and, for me, it is much better than Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2018, 05:52:22 PM
Yeah, I really don't understand you Kev. :lol

What's not to understand?
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on September 13, 2018, 11:54:31 PM
Yeah, I really don't understand you Kev. :lol

What's not to understand?
I phrased that wrong, should have said can't relate rather than don't understand. For me, everything about BCS is superior to BB, and the quality has remained consistently high throughout. But tastes, of course!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 15, 2018, 06:00:18 PM
My dad is still into the show so that's a good sign to me, I missed the last 2 episodes but hopefully will catch up this weekend. I loved this season through the first four episodes so hope it's kept up.

Thanks for the clarification, as I was a bit stunned because these last two episodes are easily the best of the season.  A lot of 'fan service', two terrific flashbacks, and some brilliant story telling with their tie ins.  I don't think you'll be disappointed.

I just finished episode 5 a couple minutes ago, and had to respond to this. Nope, not disappointed in the slightest. I'm about to start episode 6 but want to share fresh thoughts before seeing what happens next.

Starting off with a 'behind the scenes' opening with Saul in his office during the end of Breaking Bad (that would be during what episode... Granite State, probably?) was awesome. Possibly my favorite opening of all BCS's seasons, because I knew the significance of that scene. Bob Odenkirk just melts back into the role of Saul there and it's easy to see it happen during the episode as he slings burner phones on the streets. Also, those kids who mugged him are assholes, I was so mad when that happened.

Seeing Gus and Mike lay the foundations for Gus's hidden lab - YES! I loved that this was a thing. I always wondered during BB how the hell that came to be and when it started, and BCS has been doing a great job giving some backstory on BB while being its own thing (bringing in Gus, the Cousins, Gale at his old job, the building of the lab).

Kim is a great lawyer and person in general and I kind of liked that she hung up on Mesa Verde to help her client but she definitely earned that scolding when she got back. I don't want anything bad to happen to her but of course I can't shake the feeling something is gonna go down.

Howard looked like a total mess at the end, too. Did Kim scolding him mess him up that badly? Wow.

Here goes episode 6. I love this show so much.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 15, 2018, 07:09:43 PM
Okay, episode 6. Not too much to say there, actually. Enjoyable episode as usual, but the one before it was much more exciting. I really liked Gus's monologue to Hector, and I loved Jimmy getting revenge on those bastard kids. For a moment I was convinced he got in over his head and they were really gonna beat the kids to a pulp, that was tense.

Good to see Howard get his balls back for a minute - "fuck you, Jimmy" - "That's it, use that!" - yes!  :biggrin:

Kind of glad I waited until today, because now I only have 2 more days to wait for a new ep!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 18, 2018, 01:20:35 PM
Last night's episode was a good one. It's sad to watch Kim and Jimmy becoming more distant as their lives go in different directions.

I'm loving all these characters from Breaking Bad having a role in this show finally; Huell being a central character of the episode was enjoyable and it was interesting to watch Kim process Jimmy's explanation for selling drop phones on the street for months on end. And then coming up with a plan at the end - didn't expect her to do that, but I feel like Kim's getting herself into some real hot water which makes me sad, I really like her and don't want anything bad to happen to her.

Gus pulling the plug on Hector's treatment - oooh, that's cruel. The backstory on Hector Salamanca is great after watching him through all of BB and it'll be so fun to watch Breaking Bad yet again after this show wraps.

Only a few more episodes already... sigh. Hope next season doesn't take a year and a half to make!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2018, 09:03:02 PM
After being bored with the last few episodes, last night's was excellent!  That opening montage was awesome, showing the divide that is happening between Kim and Jimmy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 19, 2018, 09:34:01 AM
Great episode.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on September 21, 2018, 06:02:51 AM
Yeah, I really don't understand you Kev. :lol

What's not to understand?
I phrased that wrong, should have said can't relate rather than don't understand. For me, everything about BCS is superior to BB, and the quality has remained consistently high throughout. But tastes, of course!

It's not just me, though!  Several co-workers are totally bored with the show, to the point where one has all but given up on it, and the other takes the "I guess I'll watch it since I'm already invested" attitude.  A friend texted me yesterday, "Wow, Saul kinda sucks now."  And my cousin texted me the other day saying he and his wife finally started watching this season and are not liking it either.  At this point, literally every single person I talk to on a somewhat regularly basis (at least) who watches the show is incredibly disappointed with it it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 21, 2018, 08:11:11 AM
Why are they disappointed? I'm curious to hear the reasons. My old man doesn't watch much TV like this show and he's absolutely hooked even when it slows down. The character development is excellent, the editing and cinematography is clever and high quality, the overall plot is going places and the connections to Breaking Bad are significant and offer some interesting backstory. I can kind of understand why some wouldn't be entertained but the show hasn't really changed much since its first season, when it was much slower with less going on than it has now. So I'm just curious.

Not saying anyone's wrong, of course, absolutely not. But it reminds me of two of my best friends who gave up on Westworld season 2 like 3 episodes in and started trashing the series even though nothing really changed.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on September 24, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
Why are they disappointed? I'm curious to hear the reasons.

"It's boring."
"It moves too slow."
"Not enough happens in every episode."

That is the gist of it.

And I generally agree. With only 10 48-minute (roughly) episodes a season, they should be packing as much as they can into one episode, but it feels like so much time is slowly building up to something that inevitably has an unsatisfying payoff.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 24, 2018, 06:49:05 PM
That's... interesting. It's a show about a guy trying to be a lawyer and scrape by through other means, not really sure what they're expecting, too much of the Salamancas or Gus stuff turns it into a Breaking Bad wannabe. Oh well, that's a shame.

Stoked for the new episode in 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 24, 2018, 08:06:03 PM
HAHA! Me when I saw that Jimmy's brilliant scheme had paid off when Kim kissed him in the stairwell:

(https://i.imgur.com/RtRzIog.gif)

JIMMYYYY!!!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on September 24, 2018, 08:38:06 PM
It really helps to watch the previous episode On Demand just prior to the new episode (FFing thru the commercials).  Really helped for tonight.

And, my review of the new episode 

:tup :tup :tup :tup :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 25, 2018, 12:52:56 PM
The whole Huell thing portraying him as a hero was hilarious.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 25, 2018, 11:01:22 PM
"It's boring."
"It moves too slow."
"Not enough happens in every episode."

That is the gist of it.
To that I say: the instant gratification generation. What? No explosions? No car chases? No special effects? No constant action? No way!

A lot happens every second of every episode if you are really watching. If you are watching while expecting something, then you are not really watching.

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 26, 2018, 04:05:22 PM
"It's boring."
"It moves too slow."
"Not enough happens in every episode."

That is the gist of it.
To that I say: the instant gratification generation. What? No explosions? No car chases? No special effects? No constant action? No way!

A lot happens every second of every episode if you are really watching. If you are watching while expecting something, then you are not really watching.

Agreed.

And Guillermo del Toro says it better than me:

(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/E9E80B35-8EFB-402C-89D6-4172B3870DC7_zpsdaokoovv.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/E9E80B35-8EFB-402C-89D6-4172B3870DC7_zpsdaokoovv.jpg.html)

(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/B1508EC4-EB52-4E34-AAA4-54740FB0D00D_zpsuryji2jt.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/B1508EC4-EB52-4E34-AAA4-54740FB0D00D_zpsuryji2jt.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on September 26, 2018, 06:50:09 PM
"It's boring."
"It moves too slow."
"Not enough happens in every episode."

That is the gist of it.
To that I say: the instant gratification generation. What? No explosions? No car chases? No special effects? No constant action? No way!

A lot happens every second of every episode if you are really watching. If you are watching while expecting something, then you are not really watching.

Nah, that's not it.  It's just not that great. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 27, 2018, 07:48:27 AM
I disagree with the comparison he makes between Walter and Jimmy. I think there is A LOT of good in Jimmy, even as Saul Goodman. It is only the facade that he has learned to maintain to deal with the system. Underneath it there is a really good guy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 27, 2018, 08:09:06 AM
A really good guy, and one who's envious of his brother's success as a lawyer. Look back at that last episode when there's a flashback to him and Kim (then an intern, Jimmy a mailroom clerk) and he's staring with envy at Chuck as he's being congratulated on his recent big win. Jimmy just wants to prove he's as good and worthy as Chuck, ever since he was a mailroom clerk, but he's been struggling along the way, going so far as to deceive his own brother at the end. There's definitely a good core to Jimmy, but on the exterior there grows an ever-thickening shell of deception and cunning. I adore the way this show tells that story.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on September 27, 2018, 03:00:20 PM
Damn, episodes 7 and 8 were sooooo good.

I do find it weird that some people don't like BCS because it's "too slow" or whatever but love BB which is also a very slow paced show. That's not a criticism, it's just the style that these two shows have.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on September 28, 2018, 01:40:36 PM
I just watched Episode 8, after watching #7 last night (I was a bit behind).

Just when I was wondering when Nacho would show up again (last time we saw him he was sobbing in his father's house), he did show up. And it looks like he's changed - and he seems to be (going to be) in trouble yet again with that random dude in the restaurant at the very end of the episode.

The Babineaux thing was...quite funny, but very improbable. Why would Kim even want to start helping Jimmy for keeping Huell out of jil? She has basically no interest whatsoever. Huell is a minor character and pretty much a nobody at best, so for her to get into serious trouble over this makes no sense at all to me. The stint they (Kim & Jimmy) pulled was pretty good though, but Kim saying 'Let's do it again' at the end has me worried for her. Saul's going to drag her down with him, which is not what I would like to see.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 28, 2018, 01:49:22 PM
I just watched Episode 8, after watching #7 last night (I was a bit behind).

Just when I was wondering when Nacho would show up again (last time we saw him he was sobbing in his father's house), he did show up. And it looks like he's changed - and he seems to be (going to be) in trouble yet again with that random dude in the restaurant at the very end of the episode.

The Babineaux thing was...quite funny, but very improbable. Why would Kim even want to start helping Jimmy for keeping Huell out of jil? She has basically no interest whatsoever. Huell is a minor character and pretty much a nobody at best, so for her to get into serious trouble over this makes no sense at all to me. The stint they (Kim & Jimmy) pulled was pretty good though, but Kim saying 'Let's do it again' at the end has me worried for her. Saul's going to drag her down with him, which is not what I would like to see.

I've been trying to find a good explanation for Kim's behavior too, since I haven't rewatched the series yet, and came across an article that seems to give a good explanation.

https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/9/24/17894970/better-call-saul-episode-8-season-4-recap-coushatta-kim-wexler-jimmy-mcgill

Quote
She probably won’t, but there is a heightened aura of tragic inevitability surrounding Kim, akin to Chuck’s waning moments in Better Call Saul’s third season. The catalyst for Kim agreeing to help Jimmy pull the scam in “Something Stupid” came when the prosecuting attorney said that Huell’s only witness was a “scumbag disbarred lawyer who peddles drop phones to criminals.” Kim’s anguish conveyed an array of emotions: shock, befuddlement, defensiveness, and tacit acknowledgment. She needs to reorient her moral compass before she fully breaks bad alongside Jimmy. But like Heisenberg’s blue meth, now that she’s got a taste for it, there might not be any going back.

There's also a reminder about how she helped Jimmy con the douchey business guy earlier in the series, the loudmouth at the bar - another good scene.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on September 28, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
The Babineaux thing was...quite funny, but very improbable. Why would Kim even want to start helping Jimmy for keeping Huell out of jil? She has basically no interest whatsoever. Huell is a minor character and pretty much a nobody at best, so for her to get into serious trouble over this makes no sense at all to me. The stint they (Kim & Jimmy) pulled was pretty good though, but Kim saying 'Let's do it again' at the end has me worried for her. Saul's going to drag her down with him, which is not what I would like to see.
Improbable in what sense? Do you mean in terms of her motivation? Because actually, although it comes as a surprise (as over the last couple of seasons she's been more serious and focused on her legal career), it's at the same time not that surprising that she loves the challenge, the drama and the one-upmanship of it like when the two of them would scam guys in bars. I honestly loved how they played this, and as others have now suggested, it suddenly seems quite likely that it'll be Kim who ultimately is the bad influence that pushes Jimmy to fully become Saul.

I was also chatting to a friend about it today, who speculated that the person who Saul calls for extraction at the end of BB could actually be Kim. I'm not sure about that, although it'd be a clever twist.

EDIT: ninja'd by Katt o/
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on September 28, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Yeah, but you formulated a good response, I went looking for one  :lol I definitely need to watch the series again, the long breaks between seasons have made everything fuzzy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on September 28, 2018, 04:45:47 PM


I do find it weird that some people don't like BCS because it's "too slow" or whatever but love BB which is also a very slow paced show. That's not a criticism, it's just the style that these two shows have.

It being slow doesn't bother me.

It being boring and uninteresting does.

I know people hated Chuck, but the Jimmy/Chuck dynamic was what drove the show, and with Chuck gone, it's like they are floundering and filling in pre-BB gaps that don't need to be filled.  For example, I find the whole "let's see what went into building the super lab" storyline a total waste of time. 
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 02, 2018, 05:34:08 PM
Last episode was SOOOO good.
I feel bad for Kim, but also for Jimmy the guy it’s tired to be under Chucks shadow
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2018, 06:00:30 PM
I can do without the Mike's storyline with the German, but the Jimmy/Kim stuff was really good. It was great to finally see them have it out a bit. Should be interesting to see how he gets reinstated now (since we know he does).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on October 03, 2018, 01:19:31 PM
Completely forgot to watch Monday night, had to catch it last night. Might watch it again tonight. That was a really good episode. I personally enjoy the Mike/Werner scenes, particularly in last night's episode. That sneaky son of a bitch. He's gonna end up dead now, and Gus is gonna have Mike's ass in the finale.

I thought it was really cathartic for Kim to lay into Jimmy and frankly it didn't surprise me she let it all out at him. It's hard to disagree with her either, although I still feel terrible for both of them, almost as much for Jimmy as I do for Kim.

That opening scam was fantastic. Kim sold the part of a cunning scammer well while also showing her nerves for the audience to pick up on. Really entertaining.

Lalo Salamanca - not sure what to make of him. I can't tell if he's dangerous or naive, the actor is really good at his role and I can't get a read on him, if he actually does trust Gus or not. He's not like any of the other Salamancas other than his loyalty to Hector.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2018, 07:10:34 PM
Lalo definitely does not trust or like Gus.  We saw how close he is to Hector, and I am sure Lalo is on board the same anti-Gus train that Hector is on.  His casual toss of the Pollos Hermanos cup out of the car window on to the parking lot illustrated that quite clearly.

At this point, I will be shocked if we do not see Kim in Jimmy's post-BB life.  Heck, she could have been in his life the whole time during BB; it's not like they ever showed any aspect of Saul's personal life.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on October 03, 2018, 07:31:17 PM
 :facepalm: I forgot about that re: Lalo's behavior after leaving the office. Gonna watch the episode again when I get home soon.

I think it would be awesome if she lived through BB. There's no reason she has to get whacked, after all...
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on October 04, 2018, 01:37:08 PM
Right, all of this is definitely setting up a possible season 5.

I think we're getting Gene's life again in the final episode, because we haven't see the rest of that yet and it would feel strange if they don't show us anything there. Also, something's bound to happen with Jimmy getting reinstated anyway, because there's no way this is going to take on another season. It really can go either way in the last episode between Jimmy and Kim, but I think they will make up.

Ramble.

Lalo will probably turn out to be quite literally insane. He might actually go out and kill Nacho for all we know, for 'poisoning' Hector. Also Werner is an idiot and I can't help but think there's more to his escape than just him missing his wife. Perhaps he's secretly working for another group as well? Too much stuff to think about and the final episode is never going to answer all of this at once.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 09, 2018, 03:13:51 PM
Man, season finale was SOOOO good, no question why Jimmy feels no remorse for Chuck at all. That Karaoke scene was so perfect, Chuck stealing the spotlight and that song fit really well with the message they were trying to convey.
After watching the episode it got me thinking that Kim was the one who wrote that “perfect” letter to Jimmy and no Chuck.
And last lines of Jimmy at the end of the episode were there ones I anticipated. This show it’s PERFECT. Sadly I will have to wait for next season.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on October 09, 2018, 03:37:15 PM
It was a great episode. And that shot of Mike and Werner in the desert, that was cinematic beauty. And their dialogue just prior to that, it was great. You could see it in both their faces that neither of them wanted that outcome but it had to be done. I loved how Jimmy conned everyone, even the viewers (at least me and my dad), into believing he was genuine in that room, and then... bam, suckered. Slippin' Jimmy. "S'all good, man!" Hah. Season 5 is gonna rock. Hope it comes sooner than later.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
Moral of the story: everything Chuck said about his brother was dead accurate.

Very good finale to a somewhat choppy season, IMO.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on October 09, 2018, 07:51:14 PM
Yeah, it didn't seem to get its legs until around Episode 5.  We watched 6-9 last night before the finale. 

There was so much to digest.  It was well done on every count, painful as it was.  Good to see the Abbey Road Gang again, and Howard, and the opener was superb and a brilliant twist for the ending.

'one thousand and one, one thousand and two'
'watermelon pickles'

Biggest disappointment:  not getting to hear Jimmy and Kim have a go at 'Bohemian Rhapsody'  :tdwn

Biggest sigh of relief:  not having to hear Jimmy and Kim sing 'Bohemian Rhapsody'.    ;)

Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2018, 08:34:21 PM
I was waiting for Chuck to start singing Stonehenge.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on October 09, 2018, 09:13:03 PM
At a volume of 11  :D
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shooters1221 on October 09, 2018, 11:03:32 PM
I was waiting for Chuck to start singing Stonehenge.  :metal :metal

OMG...I was thinking the exact same thing as I was watching that part. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on October 10, 2018, 02:15:14 PM
Dman, that was an awesome episode indeed!
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: mike099 on October 11, 2018, 12:22:28 PM
That ending was brilliant.  Kim played the game with Jimmy and in the end she truly thought he meant what he said when he went off script.  He deserves a nomination for the emmy.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on October 11, 2018, 01:04:35 PM
Alright.. now that the dust has settled a bit; I really enjoy Better Call Saul and as it's the only Series I watch, you can guess that I'm already eagerly awaiting Season 5 (which should arrive sometime, given the ending of this one). However, I can't help but feel that the creators went a little off-track with this season, and that's mostly to do with the bunch of semi-/not intertwined plot-lines throughout the series.

I don't think I can voice all of my gripes accurately, but I think the following sums it up:  the series throws a lot of stuff at you and some of that stuff is brilliant and actually helps to further the plot, other scenes leave me wondering what the hell happened and we're left to fill in the blanks ourselves. Prime example: the latest scenes with Nacho. We last saw him on his father's couch, in very bad shape. The next scene he shows up is in his own(?) house, with random girls in his living room, putting stuff in a safe. What the hell is happening here? Next up, in Ep. 9 he tours around with Lalo, who asks him to show the farm. The in Ep. 10, he's nowhere to be found. Strange.

Then the stuff with the Germans. The bar scene had no impact on the story at all (even Werner drawing the secret lab to random people ultimately didn't do anything). Building the super hideout served nothing other than to show how insanely dedicated Gus is to set up his own operations. The whole 'Werner goes missing' does absolutely nothing for the character development of the main characters and actually didn't further the plot either. I also find it highly unlikely (but that aside) that Werner would actively choose to run away. And was killing him really necessary? I mean, what does it accomplish? (in the grand scheme of things).

Earlier in the series, the Gus/Mike/Nacho stuff was at least closely tied to the Jimmy/Kim stuff, even though it was only through Mike being the parking attendant and him helping Jimmy occasionally. Now it's really two separate stories developing and not all of it is exactly clear (the Nacho stuff for example, but also whatever Lalo is doing). Another thing is the therapy session where Mike ousted that one guy. I mean, the scene was good, but what was the point in showing it? Oh, I haven't even started on the post-BB 'Gene' life. That's really going nowhere either.

Now, typing this up makes it all sound really negative, which isn't my intention, because I'm enjoying the show immensely and perhaps I'm bad at seeing te bigger picture, or the meaning behind some of these seemingly random scenes. To me it's as if the makers themselves don't have a particularly clear direction and they just keep throwing stuff at us to make things more complicated, while detracting from what was originally going to be the main story: how Jimmy got to be Saul. This season had us watching the Twin Brother Deathsquad gun down an entire drug operation out of nowhere.

At least with BB I got the feeling there was more focus; the main story was clear and everything helped propel the story forward. There were no real distractions and everything that was shown mattered to some extent. With BCS, I feel like they could leave out a bunch of the scenes without really damaging the story whatsoever, which ultimately drags down the show a tiny bit.

Again - I enjoyed the season and will eagerly wait for the next. I hope the makers have a good idea of how they're going to tie everything together.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on October 11, 2018, 06:02:43 PM
While I wasn't overly enamored with the Germans/super lab story, I totally disagree with a few things you said, Elite.


Then the stuff with the Germans. The bar scene had no impact on the story at all (even Werner drawing the secret lab to random people ultimately didn't do anything). 


Running his mouth to a bunch of strangers showed that Werner could not be trusted, which was reaffirmed later when he bolted in the middle of the night.


 The whole 'Werner goes missing' does absolutely nothing for the character development of the main characters and actually didn't further the plot either.

It was a plot device to demonstrate where Mike's unyielding loyalty to Gus, which we saw in Breaking Bad, came from.


 I also find it highly unlikely (but that aside) that Werner would actively choose to run away. And was killing him really necessary? I mean, what does it accomplish? (in the grand scheme of things).


Was killing him necessary?  Considering their world and leaving the morality of normal people like us out of the equation, yes.

He had already given away some info to Lalo on the phone.

He could not be trusted.

If you are Gus, how can you trust this guy to a) come back and finish the job without going off the reservation again, and b) keep his mouth shut once it was finished.

Now, it's clear that Werner didn't know the full scope of who and what he was dealing with, otherwise Mike's original warning (after he shot his mouth off in the bar) would have sunk in and stuck.

Mike choosing to do it himself was his way of letting Werner go out with a quick death, instead of Gus' guys doing it (and that would not have been quick).
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on October 12, 2018, 02:04:39 AM
The whole 'Werner goes missing' does absolutely nothing for the character development of the main characters and actually didn't further the plot either.

It was a plot device to demonstrate where Mike's unyielding loyalty to Gus, which we saw in Breaking Bad, came from.
And also, crucially, why in BB he's so inflexible. I thought the way this story with the Germans developed and set up Mike's character development turned out brilliant in the end.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on October 12, 2018, 03:27:06 AM
Okay, maybe that part of my retort wasn't very well thought out, because now that both of you are saying that, it actually makes sense.

The last couple of scenes with Nacho still leave me wondering what the hell happened though and the fact the series at this point is essentially 2 or 3 stories running together, instead of one bigger story has gone unanswered, so I'm assuming you guys agree with me on that part.



Maybe I'm just not very good at looking further into a tv series.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: DragonAttack on October 15, 2018, 02:00:34 PM
TV series viewing.........we had BCS, we watch 'Game of Thrones', and we watch a couple of 'The Sopranos' a month (we'd seen 20% of the episodes during the initial run, we know most of the story lines, the ending, etc....we just want to experience and savor all of it), and...we watch an occasional 'Big Bang'.....but that's it these days.

So, yeah.....we be missing Victor and Giselle.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on October 17, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
I finally blew threw the 3 seasons of this show that are available on Netflix. I freaking love it.   

Chuck :(
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 17, 2018, 01:25:27 PM
 :he’d add
I finally blew threw the 3 seasons of this show that are available on Netflix. I freaking love it.   

Chuck :(

There are 4 on Netflix
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chino on October 17, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
:he’d add
I finally blew threw the 3 seasons of this show that are available on Netflix. I freaking love it.   

Chuck :(

There are 4 on Netflix

In the US? They must have just added season 4 then because I wrapped up season 3 last week and there were no other episodes.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 17, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
:he’d add
I finally blew threw the 3 seasons of this show that are available on Netflix. I freaking love it.   

Chuck :(

There are 4 on Netflix


In the US? They must have just added season 4 then because I wrapped up season 3 last week and there were no other episodes.

Oh, no, sorry.

In LATAM. I forgot in the US it airs on AMC
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2018, 07:15:12 AM
Finally started watching, I'm four episodes in. I guess it was a good thing to wait for the series to be over, otherwise waiting for a week each time would have felt so sloooooow, given the equally slow pace of the episodes.

I don't mind it at all, they've built a world that was already grounded in the BB universe, so they've earned the right to take their time in telling the stories, but I can see how some people may not be patient and consider it all a slow drag.

Also, I'm happy to see all the BB characters, but at times it feels they're sidelining Jimmy's story. There's more stuff going on at times with Gus and Nacho than with Jimmy and Kim.

Some short considerations so far...

Episode 1, Smoke: Damn, that cold opening! the feeling of paranoia was so intense. Also very heavy scenes with Jimmy finding out, and then shrugging it off as soon as Howard took blame for that.

Episode 2, Breathe: Some good dark comedy moments for Jimmy winning the job and then refusing it because the guys are gullible. Also, HOLY FRACKING FRACK Gus enlisting Nacho!!! and Kim tearing a new one to Howard... very intense scene.

Episode 3, Something Beautiful: Very BB-esque opening with the setup for the "ambush" in the desert. Poor Nacho.

Episode 4, Talk: "Fucking Salamancas"  :lol as Nacho said when he suggested they'd return to the hideout of the rivals, and then the cousins went full Terminator and killed the entire compound all by themselves.

Now I'm looking forward to see what Mike will do with Gus, his scenes of taking way too seriously than anyone would have ever expected his fake job as security consultant were priceless.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on October 18, 2018, 08:09:09 AM
Okay, maybe that part of my retort wasn't very well thought out, because now that both of you are saying that, it actually makes sense.

The last couple of scenes with Nacho still leave me wondering what the hell happened though and the fact the series at this point is essentially 2 or 3 stories running together, instead of one bigger story has gone unanswered, so I'm assuming you guys agree with me on that part.



Maybe I'm just not very good at looking further into a tv series.
Just going back to this, I agree that Nacho's change seems to have been quite sudden and, unlike with other changes, I don't feel like I've understood it. But then it happened during the montage that covered a number of months, so it wasn't sudden in character terms, we just don't (yet) know what happened during that period. There's another season where they may explore that a bit more, so I'm not jumping to judgement.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 24, 2018, 04:06:14 AM
Catching up, I'm at the 8th episode, the one with the road trip to Louisiana to deliver all the fake letters for Huell.

Damn, this was one of the best episodes of the season! it was surprising to see Kim in the end "breaking bad", you figure that Jimmy takes the Saul antics too far and Kim dumps him but no.... Jimmy wants to stop and Kim says "Let's do it again". It's the dark side of her that she always managed to keep at bay, but that is actually there, and literally turns her on.

I'm afraid this is now will be her undoing, not something Jimmy does - it's from the early episodes of the fiest season that one realizes that Kim isn't anywhere in Breaking Bad and that SOMETHING must happen, now I'm afraid she'll bring ruin unto herself.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 26, 2018, 02:11:42 AM
Aaaand I finally watched it all. Man, what a finale!

I'm glad I waited for the season to be over to watch it, because it slowed down considerably in the middle episodes (as pointed out previously) and only the excellent performances kept it from actually draggining. I hope also the storylines will converge because by now the show is basically 50% Better Call Saul and 50% Breaking Bad prequel, Jimmy and Mike had a single scene together in the whole season!

I never imagined I could feel so bad for the german engineer. Poor guy. His final scene was beautifully shot, with the New Mexico stars at night, it was almost poetic, he got a beautiful sendoff. And what a badass was Mike as he was dealing with Lalo, losing him in the parking spot (only for Lalo to brutally push away the car in front of him, lol).

As for Jimmy, I thought the "I start to read the letter and then I stop" was a stunt he pre-arranged with Kim, but it was actually him going off on his own. Kim had the "who is this person I'm talking to?" look on her face as he Saul Goodman-ed his way into the attorneys' office.

And for the comments about Better Call Saul being better than Breaking Bad... well, they're both great shows so it's glad that people love BCS that much, but I think that BCS is this great BECAUSE it came off Breaking Bad.

BB had to create its world, conquer his fans, find his way through unpredictable situations (Jesse was meant to be killed in season 1 and the writers strike prevented that, along with the writers falling in love with Aaron Paul's performance). Better Call Saul builds on the world Breaking Bad created, re-uses its characters and has the wisdom and knowledge of what works and what doesn't that BB couldn't afford.

In short, I think that calling BCS better than BB is not too much dissimilar from a situation when someone calls a cover song better than the original. Sure, there might be cover songs which are played tighter, better, with a more modern production if the original is old, and maybe the singer is even better than the original (basically any Black Sabbath cover  :biggrin: ), but still, the original song is what was actually created and composed. It's easier to make a nice version of a great song someone else wrote than write it yourself. I will never be annoyed at any praise that BCS deservingly gets, and it's not a "cover" of BB, but it can exist BECAUSE of Breaking Bad. A new show about a sleazy lawyer starting from scratch with no one of the BB cast AND writing team would not go this far.
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Post by: DragonAttack on October 26, 2018, 08:10:39 AM
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Since there are no 'Like' buttons, I'm just commenting here to say that I really enjoyed reading the above.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 05, 2018, 09:18:31 AM
Watch Mike from ‘Better Call Saul’ in a bizarre 1980s motivational video https://dangerousminds.net/comments/watch_mike_from_better_call_saul_in_a_bizarre_1980s_motivational_video
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Elite on November 05, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
That was ... rather strange. I obviously did not watch all of it, but the few minutes I did see were very weird indeed.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 07, 2018, 06:59:21 PM
yeah the Mike and Gus Web Series videos are a hoot.

which btw, I was watching an episode of Deep Space 9 last night and who was in the guest cast, none other than Jonathan Banks. A few weeks back, I saw another episode with the actor who plays Tuco.

Breaking Deep Space Saul
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: El Barto on December 13, 2018, 09:20:34 AM
I certainly enjoyed the season, and it's still a top notch series, but I agree with Kev that this season was something of a letdown. I don't think it was really the absence of Chuck, though. They just took a different approach, I think. Lalo is an interesting guy, and I think he's going to be fantastic in season 5. My kind of badguy.

Yes indeed, I will scoff at that claim. ;)

A better ensemble of actors?  Well, in the sense that Better Call Saul is more of an ensemble than a show with a true lead character (Odenkirk is a far better supporting actor than lead), it could be debatable, but pound for pound, BB wins easily, IMO.  Not counting the characters who were on both shows (since that can be considered a wash), BB had Bryan Cranston, who gave what some, including both Anthony Hopkins and myself, would call the greatest acting performance ever.  His performance alone elevates it.  And then of course there is Aaron Paul, who was brilliant as well; I would say he was the 2nd best from either show, so already BB has, IMO, by far the top 2 performances from either show.  Moving forward, I would say Anna Gunn and Rhea Seehorn were equally good, although I suspect many who disliked Skylar for some bizarre reason would not give Gunn props for her performance as a result. And let's not forget Dean Norris, who turned what could have been a stereotypical tough guy cop/DEA agent character into a complex one.  Michael McKean was awesome as Chuck, and Michael Mando and Patrick Fabian are really good in their roles, but Breaking Bad just seemed filled with once in a lifetime performances in a once in a lifetime show.
I'm one of those people who hated Skylar, but that wouldn't have been the case if Gunn didn't do such a fine job with the character. I really dig Wexler, but not really because of Seehorn's portrayal (tight-fitting lawyer pants excepted). I generally agree with your assessment here, but I think McKean's performance is right up there with Walt and Jesse. I never felt particularly emotionally involved with Walt. Every week NcKean had me alternatively despising and empathizing with Chuck. Culminating with his death that hammered home that duality in a big, big way.


Howard looked like a total mess at the end, too. Did Kim scolding him mess him up that badly? Wow.
I was figuring on "wracked with guilt."  He certainly blamed himself for Howard's death (as did I), and he handled the whole thing pretty poorly after the fact. I also gather he'd turned into a hapless drunk.


It's not just me, though!  Several co-workers are totally bored with the show, to the point where one has all but given up on it, and the other takes the "I guess I'll watch it since I'm already invested" attitude.  A friend texted me yesterday, "Wow, Saul kinda sucks now."  And my cousin texted me the other day saying he and his wife finally started watching this season and are not liking it either.  At this point, literally every single person I talk to on a somewhat regularly basis (at least) who watches the show is incredibly disappointed with it it.
Not just you. I was never bored with the show, but this season was definitely less than the previous 3. It wasn't bad, and it had scenes that rivaled any from the series, but overall it was slower and had less actual content. Even the ending was a letdown for me. I know everybody has been waiting for the "Transformation," and there you got it. To me it was nothing more than the DBA he requested from the woman.


The Babineaux thing was...quite funny, but very improbable. Why would Kim even want to start helping Jimmy for keeping Huell out of jil? She has basically no interest whatsoever. Huell is a minor character and pretty much a nobody at best, so for her to get into serious trouble over this makes no sense at all to me. The stint they (Kim & Jimmy) pulled was pretty good though, but Kim saying 'Let's do it again' at the end has me worried for her. Saul's going to drag her down with him, which is not what I would like to see.
The girl's an adrenaline junky and never knew it. Danger turns her on (literally). I never really had much question about her motivation, which started as soon as she became Giselle. We see it reflected in her growing boredom with the law. As Judge Neelix pointed out she's looking for something to restore her passion in it. Working PD certainly helps, but working the system has a better payoff.

It hadn't occurred to me until now, but Giselle is Saul. While people have been clamoring for some mystical transformation from Jimmy to Saul, it's Kim who's undergoing the transformation from good girl to criminal lawyer.


At this point, I will be shocked if we do not see Kim in Jimmy's post-BB life.  Heck, she could have been in his life the whole time during BB; it's not like they ever showed any aspect of Saul's personal life.
This was my prediction from the get-go. There's a reason he went to Omaha. I'm hoping she just randomly decides she wants a cinnamon roll. He'd have one helluva story to tell her.


Now, it's clear that Werner didn't know the full scope of who and what he was dealing with, otherwise Mike's original warning (after he shot his mouth off in the bar) would have sunk in and stuck.
Yep. I felt bad for Werner, as in the end he was simply naive. He really didn't understand who he was dealing with.
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Mike choosing to do it himself was his way of letting Werner go out with a quick death, instead of Gus' guys doing it (and that would not have been quick).
That was part of it. I think Mike was accepting responsibility. He liked Werner, he was a good guy, so while giving him a quick out was certainly one aspect, penance was another, and being the responsible party was a third.


yeah the Mike and Gus Web Series videos are a hoot.

which btw, I was watching an episode of Deep Space 9 last night and who was in the guest cast, none other than Jonathan Banks. A few weeks back, I saw another episode with the actor who plays Tuco.

Breaking Deep Space Saul
Never made either of those connections. With Banks I just don't recall the episode well. Not one I've seen in ages. As for Tuco, I never made the connection, but as soon as you mentioned it I thought there was really only one episode he would have fit into, and I was right.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kattelox on April 24, 2019, 09:56:16 AM
Bump!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/better-call-saul-end-season-6-star-says-1203797

Looks like BCS is going to end after season 6. I expected season 5 to be the last season (just my gut feeling) so this is pleasant news. Assuming season 5 airs early 2020, we could be looking at the show wrapping up at the end of 2021.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2019, 12:32:04 PM
As long as that's what the writers realize the story needs to be properly and organically told, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 24, 2019, 12:36:33 PM
As long as that's what the writers realize the story needs to be properly and organically told, I'm all for it.

Yeah....I’ll trust them. They’ve done nothing to make me doubt their vision for the story.
Title: Re: Better Call Saul (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 24, 2019, 06:52:38 PM
Same here, all 4 seasons of the show has been amazing so far and in fact get better each year. I think season 4 was probably my favorite so far. The world of Gus & Mike along with Saul has been a concoction of awesomeness.