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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Mister Gold on November 08, 2014, 08:57:14 PM
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I decided to take Blob's advice to heart and open up a separate thread for Christopher Nolan's new film, Interstellar. Spoilers are obviously going to be here. :)
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If I have a complaint it is the character played by Damon. For as hyped as he was by Hathaway's character as to being this 'leader' who convinced 11 others to take on that mission....he certainly seemed like an idiot to be frank. Sure he explained to Cooper as he was trying to kill him 'why' he was doing what he was doing but his decision making seemed a bit suspect. Especially the docking scene...surely he'd have known that there was a reason it wasn't a complete dock and that it was unsafe? anyway....
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Like I said in the movie-thread; I loved this movie. #1 of the year so far. And it will most likely stay like that way from the look of the rest of the movie year 2014.
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If I have a complaint it is the character played by Damon. For as hyped as he was by Hathaway's character as to being this 'leader' who convinced 11 others to take on that mission....he certainly seemed like an idiot to be frank. Sure he explained to Cooper as he was trying to kill him 'why' he was doing what he was doing but his decision making seemed a bit suspect. Especially the docking scene...surely he'd have known that there was a reason it wasn't a complete dock and that it was unsafe? anyway....
He'd probably gone a bit crazy from isolation.
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This movie was a pivotal experience for me. Adjusting back to real life after I came out of the theater took longer than ever before. Thank you, Christopher Nolan!
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If I have a complaint it is the character played by Damon. For as hyped as he was by Hathaway's character as to being this 'leader' who convinced 11 others to take on that mission....he certainly seemed like an idiot to be frank. Sure he explained to Cooper as he was trying to kill him 'why' he was doing what he was doing but his decision making seemed a bit suspect. Especially the docking scene...surely he'd have known that there was a reason it wasn't a complete dock and that it was unsafe? anyway....
He'd probably gone a bit crazy from isolation.
Yeah I had thought about that but still....his character seemed very heartless even for a scientist :lol . But it's a small nit pick.
As far as Cooper spelunking intot the black hole....I found the physical traits of the black hole neat but am curious as to if he'd have died had 'they/we' not intervened and placed him in that 5th dimension to communicate with his daughter? I mean, was Nolan trying to say that the black hole itself was a gateway to that dimension....that its artificially created or did 'they/we' just pull Cooper from it and place him somewhere else?
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I mean, was Nolan trying to say that the black hole itself was a gateway to that dimension....that its artificially created or did 'they/we' just pull Cooper from it and place him somewhere else?
By guess is on the bolded option.
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Normally, I'm not the sort of person who would notice things like this until they are revealed later in the film in its due course, but I got that he was the ghost as he was leaving his daughter's bedroom, when he was about to go through the door and the one last book fell as a last desperate message alongside the STAY. While it didn't ruin the film for me, it did mean I went through it with one eye trained on working out how he was going to become the ghost. It meant, for example, that the moment they mentioned the black hole, I was almost positive they'd find their way into it at some point.
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By the way, you might want to change the thread title. I read it quickly and thought "spoiler-free? What's the point of spoiler-free discussion of this film?", then came in here and had to look at it again. If someone who hadn't seen the film had the same experience, they'll be spewing.
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Never felt so helpless! Thx Neil!
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This movie was a pivotal experience for me. Adjusting back to real life after I came out of the theater took longer than ever before. Thank you, Christopher Nolan!
Very much this. I just saw it last night. Usually after I come out of a theater, I always have lots to say about it in the afterglow of the film. After seeing this, I could honestly not form coherent words and it took so long just to collect my thoughts on the whole thing.
I'll definitely have to see it more than once, not just cause it was such an enjoyable film, but because I feel I really need to digest it a little more. But as it stands, it's my favorite movie of the year by far.
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Nolan strikes again!!!
Seriously, this movie blew my mind, it was like a 2 1/2 hour science lesson :lol. I loved how adventurous it was and I nearly teared up at the part when Cooper sees Murph as an adult for the first time on the video screen. Best movie of the year, no doubt.
That being said, I didn't like it as much as Inception.....that one still remains his best film IMO
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^ I wonder what McConaughey was thinking in that scene to get so emotional.
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^ I wonder what McConaughey was thinking in that scene to get so emotional.
How there's no other male actor in Hollywood right now that can compete with him......dude's in a zone!!!
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I don't think this movie would have been as good with any other acting trio.....Mackenzie Foy (young Murph) and Jessica Chastain were perfect in that role....and of course Matthew McConaughey gave another great performance. I can't think of the movie with any other actors playing those roles....?
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This movie was a pivotal experience for me. Adjusting back to real life after I came out of the theater took longer than ever before. Thank you, Christopher Nolan!
Very much this. I just saw it last night. Usually after I come out of a theater, I always have lots to say about it in the afterglow of the film. After seeing this, I could honestly not form coherent words and it took so long just to collect my thoughts on the whole thing.
I'll definitely have to see it more than once, not just cause it was such an enjoyable film, but because I feel I really need to digest it a little more. But as it stands, it's my favorite movie of the year by far.
Yep, I'm going to see it again this week.
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I loved it but I shouldn't have gone to see it in quite a low mood as it left me on a bit of a downer. :(
SPOILERS
Thinking about Coop behind that bookcase and at the end - knowing that he went off to find Brand even though the wormhole had gone and there was no way of ever getting to that planet and her being alone in cryo til humanity reaches her.
It was probably the biggest downer in a Nolan film.
I wasn't expecting some big happy Hollywood ending but not that. :lol
Also the fact that Murph was an elderly woman when they finally met up again.
I guess that was ok since she'd realised he was there the whole time after all.
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I loved it but I shouldn't have gone to see it in quite a low mood as it left me on a bit of a downer. :(
SPOILERS
Thinking about Coop behind that bookcase and at the end - knowing that he went off to find Brand even though the wormhole had gone and there was no way of ever getting to that planet and her being alone in cryo til humanity reaches her.
It was probably the biggest downer in a Nolan film.
I wasn't expecting some big happy Hollywood ending but not that. :lol
Also the fact that Murph was an elderly woman when they finally met up again.
I guess that was ok since she'd realised he was there the whole time after all.
As far as I can remember, having seen the film twice, the wormhole wasn't gone at the end of the film. There's nothing to indicate that it left. However the tesseract that Cooper found inside Gargantua closed down after he'd finished communicating the equation to Murph.
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Jonothan Nolan said in an interview with IGN that it's gone at the end.
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Jonothan Nolan said in an interview with IGN that it's gone at the end.
Well then.....for as much as I loved the movie.......that was by far the most retarded way to end it then. Cooper flying off presumably at engine power to reach a Galaxy that could be anywhere? How dumb. I was under the impression the black hole was still there. Being revealed that it's not and that Cooper just took off.....what's that suppose to prove? Ugh....just Ugh.....
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Jonothan Nolan said in an interview with IGN that it's gone at the end.
Well then.....for as much as I loved the movie.......that was by far the most retarded way to end it then. Cooper flying off presumably at engine power to reach a Galaxy that could be anywhere? How dumb. I was under the impression the black hole was still there. Being revealed that it's not and that Cooper just took off.....what's that suppose to prove? Ugh....just Ugh.....
Nolan worked with various physicists to write this film. I assure you, there's valid logic behind the film that proves it isn't dumb. And keep in mind, Nolan stated that much of the film is supposed to be "speculation" because it deals with various scientific theories that have yet to be proven or explored.
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Jonothan Nolan said in an interview with IGN that it's gone at the end.
Well then.....for as much as I loved the movie.......that was by far the most retarded way to end it then. Cooper flying off presumably at engine power to reach a Galaxy that could be anywhere? How dumb. I was under the impression the black hole was still there. Being revealed that it's not and that Cooper just took off.....what's that suppose to prove? Ugh....just Ugh.....
Nolan worked with various physicists to write this film. I assure you, there's valid logic behind the film that proves it isn't dumb. And keep in mind, Nolan stated that much of the film is supposed to be "speculation" because it deals with various scientific theories that have yet to be proven or explored.
I'm not saying anything leading up to the end is 'dumb'.....I've read the articles about the physicists and input...it's fascinating. What I'm saying....is that if they are suggesting that Cooper hopped into an X-Wing fighter at the end with no 'light speed'....just normal enginge propultion....aimed at a star and took off to find Brand without going throught the wormhole to do so.....that is a retarded ending and a horrible way to end a great movie.
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Jonothan Nolan said in an interview with IGN that it's gone at the end.
Well then.....for as much as I loved the movie.......that was by far the most retarded way to end it then. Cooper flying off presumably at engine power to reach a Galaxy that could be anywhere? How dumb. I was under the impression the black hole was still there. Being revealed that it's not and that Cooper just took off.....what's that suppose to prove? Ugh....just Ugh.....
Nolan worked with various physicists to write this film. I assure you, there's valid logic behind the film that proves it isn't dumb. And keep in mind, Nolan stated that much of the film is supposed to be "speculation" because it deals with various scientific theories that have yet to be proven or explored.
I'm not saying anything leading up to the end is 'dumb'.....I've read the articles about the physicists and input...it's fascinating. What I'm saying....is that if they are suggesting that Cooper hopped into an X-Wing fighter at the end with no 'light speed'....just normal enginge propultion....aimed at a star and took off to find Brand without going throught the wormhole to do so.....that is a retarded ending and a horrible way to end a great movie.
Well, that's the thing about Nolan films that many people have problems with. Plot Holes. The majority of things that happen in the film make sense, Nolan just doesn't have the time to explain it all and connect the pieces. You have to let it slide. What Cooper did at the end of the film works perfectly well, logically speaking, it's just not explained in detail that allows you to know 'exactly' how it worked out and make sense.
As a writer, one of the trickiest things you have to master is the concept of "Suspension of Disbelief" and the only way you can accomplish that is to make sure the story is as emotionally engaging as possible, therefore it allows the viewer/reader to be comfortable with letting certain details slide.
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I wouldn't call it retarded or 'a horrible ending', but it is a hole in the movie's logic. But then, it's so obvious that I can't imagine there not being an explenation that Nolan had in mind that just didnt make it into the finished movie.
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Jonothan Nolan said in an interview with IGN that it's gone at the end.
Link? That's news to me.
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Jonothan Nolan said in an interview with IGN that it's gone at the end.
Link? That's news to me.
By the end of Cooper's journey, the wormhole is gone. It's up to us now to undertake the massive journey of spreading out across the face of our galaxy. Brand is still somewhere out there on the far side of the wormhole. The wormhole has disappeared entirely. It's gone.
https://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/11/08/jonathan-nolan-interstellar-spoilers
Maybe Coop and TARS / CASE had enough information from the black hole / tesseract that they knew how to create one ?
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Jonothan Nolan said in an interview with IGN that it's gone at the end.
Link? That's news to me.
By the end of Cooper's journey, the wormhole is gone. It's up to us now to undertake the massive journey of spreading out across the face of our galaxy. Brand is still somewhere out there on the far side of the wormhole. The wormhole has disappeared entirely. It's gone.
https://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/11/08/jonathan-nolan-interstellar-spoilers
Maybe Coop and TARS / CASE had enough information from the black hole / tesseract that they knew how to create one ?
Ugh. That actually takes away from the film for me. If that's what J. Nolan's head-canon of the film is, he should have actually shown that in the film itself. Never leave something important like that out of the film and then just mention it casually in an interview. >:(
But more importantly, for me, this takes away from the film's concept of how humanity isn't supposed to stay in one place. According to the film, the wormhole leads to other galaxies besides the one the protagonists went to, so the idea of other people eventually going through to explore those other worlds would be really cool for me.
But yeah, I'm going to guess that the equation that Cooper and TARS retrieved from the tesseract would enable them to create another wormhole or find another means of interstellar travel to go reunite with Brand.
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I wouldn't call it retarded or 'a horrible ending', but it is a hole in the movie's logic. But then, it's so obvious that I can't imagine there not being an explenation that Nolan had in mind that just didnt make it into the finished movie.
I hope so....because this information that the wormhole was gone has just put a sour taste in my mouth about what I had thought to be a pretty remarkable movie. That ending is just silly now. Not only did he spend merely 5 minutes speaking to a daughter he did anything to get back to....then just leave....he jumps in a single man craft and starts to 'row' to the nearest star... :lol
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I wouldn't call it retarded or 'a horrible ending', but it is a hole in the movie's logic. But then, it's so obvious that I can't imagine there not being an explenation that Nolan had in mind that just didnt make it into the finished movie.
I hope so....because this information that the wormhole was gone has just put a sour taste in my mouth about what I had thought to be a pretty remarkable movie. That ending is just silly now. Not only did he spend merely 5 minutes speaking to a daughter he did anything to get back to....then just leave....he jumps in a single man craft and starts to 'row' to the nearest star... :lol
Yeah, at this point, I'm really just going to have to politely ignore the Nolans' intended ending there. It really takes away from the film itself.
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I wouldn't call it retarded or 'a horrible ending', but it is a hole in the movie's logic. But then, it's so obvious that I can't imagine there not being an explenation that Nolan had in mind that just didnt make it into the finished movie.
I hope so....because this information that the wormhole was gone has just put a sour taste in my mouth about what I had thought to be a pretty remarkable movie. That ending is just silly now. Not only did he spend merely 5 minutes speaking to a daughter he did anything to get back to....then just leave....he jumps in a single man craft and starts to 'row' to the nearest star... :lol
Yeah, at this point, I'm really just going to have to politely ignore the Nolans' intended ending there. It really takes away from the film itself.
Let's form a club...the 'We shall ignore that what has been revealed to be a ridiculous ending to a very good movie' club.....
Just read that linked article and sure enough....that's the intention....the wormhole is gone and Cooper is just meandering around space with a robot and a single cock pit (I guess) super space ship. Hope he took a canteen and a power bar.
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But wouldn't Murph had known it was gone? But anyway, they were near Saturn so Coop didn't have long to travel, right?
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But wouldn't Murph had known it was gone? But anyway, they were near Saturn so Coop didn't have long to travel, right?
No....the original worm hole was near Saturn....which led them who knows how far across space to a different Galaxy....where Brand is now alone on some planet.....and the worm hole to get there has now vanished. How's he gonna get to her?
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But wouldn't Murph had known it was gone? But anyway, they were near Saturn so Coop didn't have long to travel, right?
No....the original worm hole was near Saturn....which led them who knows how far across space to a different Galaxy....where Brand is now alone on some planet.....and the worm hole to get there has now vanished. How's he gonna get to her?
Through the wormhole which is near Saturn/his space station. It'll be a short journey. :tup
I mean it's not like the wormhole closed at the ending or anything like that. :biggrin:
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But wouldn't Murph had known it was gone? But anyway, they were near Saturn so Coop didn't have long to travel, right?
No....the original worm hole was near Saturn....which led them who knows how far across space to a different Galaxy....where Brand is now alone on some planet.....and the worm hole to get there has now vanished. How's he gonna get to her?
Through the wormhole which is near Saturn/his space station. It'll be a short journey. :tup
I mean it's not like the wormhole closed at the ending or anything like that. :biggrin:
I hope your :biggrin: is your way of saying that you know that's exactly what Nolan's brother stated....that the worm hole was gone at the end.
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But wouldn't Murph had known it was gone? But anyway, they were near Saturn so Coop didn't have long to travel, right?
No....the original worm hole was near Saturn....which led them who knows how far across space to a different Galaxy....where Brand is now alone on some planet.....and the worm hole to get there has now vanished. How's he gonna get to her?
Through the wormhole which is near Saturn/his space station. It'll be a short journey. :tup
I mean it's not like the wormhole closed at the ending or anything like that. :biggrin:
I hope your :biggrin: is your way of saying that you know that's exactly what Nolan's brother stated....that the worm hole was gone at the end.
That would be the implication, yes. We are 'ignoring' that particular detail, after all. :lol :tup
Let's just allow the film to remain strong by going with our own interpretation of it, and since there really is no indication that the wormhole is gone inside the film itself, it's really not that hard to simply ignore the Nolans' intended ending and just go with what's actually inside the film itself.
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This movie blew my mind. Just incredible. Amazing visuals, amazing story, and of course amazing science. Rarely does a movie this bold and adventurous come along.
I do wish the film explained how future humanity could have possibly created a tesseract within a black hole and why there was no direct communication between them and Cooper/Murph. Hell, with that technology they might have been able to prevent the Earth from dying in the first place. And why did they create a wormhole near Saturn of all places?
Also, is the future humanity that created the tesseract the one from the Saturn space station or the one spawned from what I assume will be the eventual colony on Edmunds' planet? Or are they one and the same?
Very interested to hear some theories about all that.
And yeah, if Cooper had known that the wormhole was gone then he must have been out of his mind to go search for Brand.
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I'm gonna go with - he knew how to create one using all the data from the black hole / tesseract.
That could be why he took TARS ? with him.
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I'm gonna go with - he knew how to create one using all the data from the black hole / tesseract.
That could be why he took TARS ? with him.
Makes sense, but that's assuming that the inside of a black hole/tesseract can even be measured or that information can leave intact (much less Cooper and the bot leaving intact). But I guess since they sent it through gravity waves it's possible?
Also, I found a very deep discussion of these issues and others in the movie: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2040 (https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2040)
Edit: Forgot to mention that the soundtrack was fantastic and very fitting.
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I just saw this on Saturday. This is probably going to be a bit controversial.
The movie was visually brilliant and I enjoyed the sound track. Aside from John Lithgow making what seemed to me like a very welcome return to the big screen (I'm sure he's been in other stuff but I haven't seen him in anything for ages), I thought most of the performances were pretty flat - and I really do like the actors in this film.
I really felt MM was wrong for the lead role. I didn't really like Matt Damons performance and I though Michael Caine was pretty limp as well.
I felt the plot holes in this film were too big to be be brushed aside. I accept that there is a lot of story to be told - but sacrificing some of the story telling for things like a 10 minute docking scene (first Damon then MM) is a bit of an oversight.
The way Nolan uses a character to explain to another character, thereby explaining to the audience, how things work as a plot device is getting a bit old hat as well. An engineer and pilot of Coops ability would surely know how a wormhole works for example.
Maybe I was expecting something more from this film - I loved inception and really enjoyed the Batman movies. I admire Nolan for taking this one on but I think it was much more miss than hit.
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I just saw this on Saturday. This is probably going to be a bit controversial.
The movie was visually brilliant and I enjoyed the sound track. Aside from John Lithgow making what seemed to me like a very welcome return to the big screen (I'm sure he's been in other stuff but I haven't seen him in anything for ages), I thought most of the performances were pretty flat - and I really do like the actors in this film.
I really felt MM was wrong for the lead role. I didn't really like Matt Damons performance and I though Michael Caine was pretty limp as well.
I felt the plot holes in this film were too big to be be brushed aside. I accept that there is a lot of story to be told - but sacrificing some of the story telling for things like a 10 minute docking scene (first Damon then MM) is a bit of an oversight.
The way Nolan uses a character to explain to another character, thereby explaining to the audience, how things work as a plot device is getting a bit old hat as well. An engineer and pilot of Coops ability would surely know how a wormhole works for example.
Maybe I was expecting something more from this film - I loved inception and really enjoyed the Batman movies. I admire Nolan for taking this one on but I think it was much more miss than hit.
I pretty much agree and yes that in bold text was something I mentioned to my friend immediately after the movie. It was pretty obvious they did that to help the viewers.
I also think that the time between MM character got invited to the mission and him actually piloting the shuttle felt very hasty.
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I just saw this on Saturday. This is probably going to be a bit controversial.
The movie was visually brilliant and I enjoyed the sound track. Aside from John Lithgow making what seemed to me like a very welcome return to the big screen (I'm sure he's been in other stuff but I haven't seen him in anything for ages), I thought most of the performances were pretty flat - and I really do like the actors in this film.
I really felt MM was wrong for the lead role. I didn't really like Matt Damons performance and I though Michael Caine was pretty limp as well.
I felt the plot holes in this film were too big to be be brushed aside. I accept that there is a lot of story to be told - but sacrificing some of the story telling for things like a 10 minute docking scene (first Damon then MM) is a bit of an oversight.
The way Nolan uses a character to explain to another character, thereby explaining to the audience, how things work as a plot device is getting a bit old hat as well. An engineer and pilot of Coops ability would surely know how a wormhole works for example.
Maybe I was expecting something more from this film - I loved inception and really enjoyed the Batman movies. I admire Nolan for taking this one on but I think it was much more miss than hit.
I pretty much agree and yes that in bold text was something I mentioned to my friend immediately after the movie. It was pretty obvious they did that to help the viewers.
I also think that the time between MM character got invited to the mission and him actually piloting the shuttle felt very hasty.
I disagree to some extent, at least as far as the cast goes. MM was the perfect actor to play Cooper. That being said, I do agree that Michael Caine was a rather weak addition and was probably only featured because of his longtime association with Nolan.
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Caine's role in the movie was a smaller one though. You just need someone who can go in and do the job, nothing overly fancy, but nothing bad either. I thought he looked weird in beard though. :lol
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And dyed hair. Was that so he would have white hair later on and be 30 years older ? Hmmmm
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I thought the movie was just spectacular. The visuals were phenominal. One question though, I get that Nolan said it in an interview, but did I miss something in the movie that stated or inferred that the worm hole was gone? This movie will definitly take a couple views for me to wrap my noggin around it. An instant Sci-Fi classic.
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I thought the movie was just spectacular. The visuals were phenominal. One question though, I get that Nolan said it in an interview, but did I miss something in the movie that stated or inferred that the worm hole was gone? This movie will definitly take a couple views for me to wrap my noggin around it. An instant Sci-Fi classic.
I saw it twice and neither time did I pick up on anything indicating that the wormhole was gone at the end. I've personally been ignoring the Nolans' intended ending and just figure that Cooper goes back through the wormhole to find Brand again.
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I thought that the 'intended ending' made absolutely no sense at first. But after I remembered that they had that gravity-bending tech now, I can understand it more.
The way they set up the Cooper-looking-for-Brand thing seemed so large. Like he was going on a long journey, not just go back through the hole and find her immediately. That may be the intended hint that the wormhole is gone.
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I thought that the 'intended ending' made absolutely no sense at first. But after I remembered that they had that gravity-bending tech now, I can understand it more.
The way they set up the Cooper-looking-for-Brand thing seemed so large. Like he was going on a long journey, not just go back through the hole and find her immediately. That may be the intended hint that the wormhole is gone.
I figured that, but I took the ending to mean more about Cooper and Brand beginning the journey of pushing humanity further and further to other worlds and colonies. Less personal and more on a grand metaphorical level, which I also think resonates more with the themes of the film.
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Most of my friends have seen it and their impressions can be summed up as: I cried, Mathew McC cried, we all cried, it was beautiful :biggrin:
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I cried, Mathew McC cried
Yeah, that pretty much sums up my experience. In reverse order though.
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Most of my friends have seen it and their impressions can be summed up as: I cried, Mathew McC cried, we all cried, it was beautiful :biggrin:
:lol Yeah...that moment when before leaving the theater you give a lil sly wipe of the eyes....that...never .. **ahem**.. happened... :\ ;D
I figured that, but I took the ending to mean more about Cooper and Brand beginning the journey of pushing humanity further and further to other worlds and colonies. Less personal and more on a grand metaphorical level, which I also think resonates more with the themes of the film.
How mindbending is that? Not only starting a new branch of the Human race, but doing it in a far away galaxy no less!! :tup
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I finally saw the film yesterday afternoon....would have liked to have gone to IMAX but figured better to just see it, and was lucky enough to have a whole theatre to myself, .....no noisy food wrappers.. :smiley:
Great to have a unique film, than a tired sequel or crappy storyline film..it was for me the film of 2014.. which isn't hard as it has been a pretty slow year for great films.
This movie although long went very fast, was visually stunning, performances were good, nothing academy award worthy but decent enough, story line okay, I was told to take tissues but apart from blinking back a few tears it wasn't that sad, The score from Hans Zimmer deserves an academy award.
Some things I wondered about after I get Matthew M was the lead, but why didn't they show Brand on her planet...before that quick clip at the end. Maybe budget or maybe Christopher Nolan didn't want any Anne Hathaway in anymore overacting scenes..not a huge fan of hers.
Trying to hear the last words from Michael Caine on his death bed were quite hard over the loud score.
I won't even touch the science side...I wouldn't understand it anyway..
Overall it was a great film...I can't remember feeling so ruined for other movies since maybe he first Matrix film.
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Some things I wondered about after I get Matthew M was the lead, but why didn't they show Brand on her planet...before that quick clip at the end.
Well, what would be the point? We were shown all we needed to know. I don't know what else they could have done with her that would be relevant to the plot at all.
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Some things I wondered about after I get Matthew M was the lead, but why didn't they show Brand on her planet...before that quick clip at the end.
Well, what would be the point? We were shown all we needed to know. I don't know what else they could have done with her that would be relevant to the plot at all.
I'd like to have seen how the heck she landed that ship being that she wasn't a pilot?? I'm giving them the benifit of the doubt and assuming an auto pilot did it...or maybe the other robot??
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^^^Yes my thoughts exactly...I should have explained it better. Maybe that is why she seemed upset, on landing had wrecked the thing...And as someone pointed out the craft M.M. was in at the end looked like a single person craft, where did he expect to put her if he found her?! :smiley:
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The soundtrack is out on Spotify, and it's wonderful.
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The soundtrack is out on Spotify, and it's wonderful.
Sweet, going to check it out now.
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The soundtrack is out on Spotify, and it's wonderful.
Ace ! Is there a track named Murphy's law? :P
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Doesn't look like it.
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Cons : This isn't Chris Nolan's best movie. I put it behind Inception, Prestige and Memento.
Pros : It's not Transformers !
However I do feel that he has it in him to make a truly remarkable movie and i'm sure he'll get an Academy Award for direction one day.
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After Interstellar, I would love to see him do something smaller and more "back to basics" movie-wise. I know it probably won't be the case, but considering his movies have been getting bigger and louder with each movie, it would be nice to see him return to a more simple story and maybe focus a bit more on the characters, hopefully nailing that little aspect, which some critics have criticized him for not being the best at.
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He can totally do characters. memento and prestige are proof of this.
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Just got back from seeing it again. Still fantastic.
Thoughts on the ending : In her final scene - Murph says Brand is about to go into cryo on " our new planet ".
Meaning the new space station is on it's way there. Meaning Cooper didn't have to leave at all. He could have just hitched a ride.
Or it means that everyone on that station would never make it and they were primarily to keep the human race going til they reached Edmund's planet.
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Finally got a chance to see this today. The movie seemed to be have three distinct parts and different directions in each but I found it to be very good, although I won't have a complete verdict until it sinks in. For some reason this movie seemed very narrow in terms of the background of the movie meaning that there was only a very tight focus on Cooper and you never really got to see what else was going on in the world. In a way that was good because you kind of had to figure out what was going on.
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Finally got a chance to see this today. The movie seemed to be have three distinct parts and different directions in each but I found it to be very good, although I won't have a complete verdict until it sinks in. For some reason this movie seemed very narrow in terms of the background of the movie meaning that there was only a very tight focus on Cooper and you never really got to see what else was going on in the world. In a way that was good because you kind of had to figure out what was going on.
I liked that aspect of it....the subtle hints about climate and even when they spoke about his son saying the world didn't need engineers...it needed farmers. I think that the movie could have gotten bogged down big time had Nolan tried to 'show' what was going on. I like that he put 'deciding' what happened in the hands of the viewer.
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In a way it's good because it never got too preachy coughavatarcough.
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In a way it's good because it never got too preachy coughavatarcough.
:lol I did enjoy the break from the environmental angle as far as 'getting preachy' about it. Doesn't take a scientist to figure out how the Earth may have ended up like that. I also enjoyed how Nolan carefully respected those in the Faith community by not pointing fingers and laughing at 'them' for the way they think throughout the film. A scientific, astronomically themed film as such could have easily taken some pot shots at religion and he didn't....in fact, there were many underlying strands of faith interwoven throughout although it may not have been specifically diety based.
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Yeah when I first heard about this movie I was a bit worried it would be just
"There's obviously no God" type film.
Thankfully it wasn't anything like that.
Not sure how many times I can watch this though as the ending is really depressing to me for whatever reason.
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Saw this a few weeks ago, but I just wanted to come in here and say that TARS and CASE were the real stars of the film. Props to the Nolans for creating some of the best, most human-but-not-quite-human robots/machines in sci fi while not being full humanoid analogs. I quite enjoyed them!
-Marc.
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And the fact that they never malfunctioned or turned "evil" was very refreshing. When they first began talking about the 'honesty setting' not being at 100%, I was sure that would come into play in a bad way later. I'm glad it didn't.
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And the fact that they never malfunctioned or turned "evil" was very refreshing. When they first began talking about the 'honesty setting' not being at 100%, I was sure that would come into play in a bad way later. I'm glad it didn't.
It makes sense from a storytelling perspective as well. One of the main points of the film is to inspire us to reach out to the stars again, and scaring people with malfunctioning tech isn't the way to do that. Rather, they gave them endearing qualities and useful skills, and a personality that would be very much needed in the isolation of space.
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Good things:
- The soundtrack
- Ambitious concept, the movie TRIES to accomplish a lot and that's commendable
- Some of the visuals. The water planet is such a fascinating idea that I hope they would have spent more time on presenting it and done a better work with the giant waves CGI
- The girl that played the daughter was a very good actress for children actor's standards.
Bad things:
- My overall experience was ruined by the movie being extremely loud and basically being unable to understand 70% of the dialogue (English is not my first language and the lead actor's enunciation is ridiculous)
- Too much time wasted on setting up the stage in the Earth, while spending too little time on showing it as a really decaying world (it looked just like a normal world)
- The scene where the lady at the school says that the Moon landing was fake really detracts from the movie, as you would think it was made to please people from the Flat Earth Society. And it's not necessary for the story at all. Actually, the whole "we are a secret NASA, how did you find us?" story line was unnecessary and IMO it gave some stereotyped/cheesy tone that detracts from the speculative science nature of the movie.
- The role played by Matt Damon
- Too many scenes of the spaceship traveling taken from the same angle, there were probably 10 identical shots of the spaceship, that really bored me.
- The emotional parts weren't convincing. I think that's because you can't go full-blown emotional in a sci-fi movie, so you get the lead actor reuniting with his daughter and 2 minutes later he transforms into Luke Skywalker to jump in a spaceship with R2D2 in the back.
Things I never figured out:
If the lead actor is in the future inside the Tesseract sending the NASA location coordinates to his past self, how did he get to the future in the first place? I know there must be an interesting explanation using relativity concepts but I think the purpose in the movie was to show that "the future they" where able to do that, without really exploring exactly how. Am I missing something?
Overall, I had the same experience than with any other Nolan movie I've watched: I just waited impatiently for the movie to end and get done with it. I think it was such an ambitious project and some of the ideas were so fascinating that the end product could have been more concise
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Good things:
- The soundtrack
- Ambitious concept, the movie TRIES to accomplish a lot and that's commendable
- Some of the visuals. The water planet is such a fascinating idea that I hope they would have spent more time on presenting it and done a better work with the giant waves CGI
- The girl that played the daughter was a very good actress for children actor's standards.
Bad things:
- My overall experience was ruined by the movie being extremely loud and basically being unable to understand 70% of the dialogue (English is not my first language and the lead actor's enunciation is ridiculous)
- Too much time wasted on setting up the stage in the Earth, while spending too little time on showing it as a really decaying world (it looked just like a normal world)
- The scene where the lady at the school says that the Moon landing was fake really detracts from the movie, as you would think it was made to please people from the Flat Earth Society. And it's not necessary for the story at all. Actually, the whole "we are a secret NASA, how did you find us?" story line was unnecessary and IMO it gave some stereotyped/cheesy tone that detracts from the speculative science nature of the movie.
- Too many scenes of the spaceship traveling taken from the same angle, there were probably 10 identical shots of the spaceship, that really bored me.
- The emotional parts weren't convincing. I think that's because you can't go full-blown emotional in a sci-fi movie, so you get the lead actor reuniting with his daughter and 2 minutes later he transforms into Luke Skywalker to jump in a spaceship with R2D2 in the back.
Things I never figured out:
If the lead actor is in the future inside the Tesseract sending the NASA location coordinates to his past self, how did he get to the future in the first place? I know there must be an interesting explanation using relativity concepts but I think the purpose in the movie was to show that "the future they" where able to do that, without really exploring exactly how. Am I missing something?
Overall, I had the same experience than with any other Nolan movie I've watched: I just waited impatiently for the movie to end and get done with it. I think it was such an ambitious project and some of the ideas were so fascinating that the end product could have been more concise
It was to show that civilisation had given up on space travel and were more concerned about Earth.
It was built by fifth dimensional beings. In a five dimensional universe - you can see all of history at once and can interact with it at any point. There is no past or future in a 5D universe - everything is just there ALL THE TIME. in a Fifth Dimensional universe you can see everything that has happened and will happen at the same time. Cooper ended up there because it had always been there. The scene in the Tesseract was kind of meant to explain that. It's sort of like a predestination paradox but not quite.
Actually i thought that was cool. It was made to represent that one shot you always see on actual NASA footage. The same shot as when Cooper is driving away from the house for the final time with the countdown over the top.
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Agree about Matt Damon though. I thought he really over acted. He did serve as comic relief though when he was killed mid sentence. Both times I saw it - people laughed at that.
Actually - I love the movie right up to the black hole then it goes too weird and emotional for me. Both times I saw it I felt really down afterwards. :emo:
Brand is on Edmunds planet on her own til humanity reaches her.
Murph is about to die when Coop finally gets rescued.
His house is now a replica piece in an exhibition.
Then he just sets off on his own to try and reach Brand in a tiny little ship. [ I've said before I assume he and TARS know how to create another wormhole but still..it's really unclear what his motives are...]
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I disagree with pretty much all of your cons. After weeks of thinking about it, I still love it all the way to the end.
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Good things:
- The soundtrack
- Ambitious concept, the movie TRIES to accomplish a lot and that's commendable
- Some of the visuals. The water planet is such a fascinating idea that I hope they would have spent more time on presenting it and done a better work with the giant waves CGI
- The girl that played the daughter was a very good actress for children actor's standards.
Bad things:
- My overall experience was ruined by the movie being extremely loud and basically being unable to understand 70% of the dialogue (English is not my first language and the lead actor's enunciation is ridiculous)
- Too much time wasted on setting up the stage in the Earth, while spending too little time on showing it as a really decaying world (it looked just like a normal world)
- The scene where the lady at the school says that the Moon landing was fake really detracts from the movie, as you would think it was made to please people from the Flat Earth Society. And it's not necessary for the story at all. Actually, the whole "we are a secret NASA, how did you find us?" story line was unnecessary and IMO it gave some stereotyped/cheesy tone that detracts from the speculative science nature of the movie.
- Too many scenes of the spaceship traveling taken from the same angle, there were probably 10 identical shots of the spaceship, that really bored me.
- The emotional parts weren't convincing. I think that's because you can't go full-blown emotional in a sci-fi movie, so you get the lead actor reuniting with his daughter and 2 minutes later he transforms into Luke Skywalker to jump in a spaceship with R2D2 in the back.
Things I never figured out:
If the lead actor is in the future inside the Tesseract sending the NASA location coordinates to his past self, how did he get to the future in the first place? I know there must be an interesting explanation using relativity concepts but I think the purpose in the movie was to show that "the future they" where able to do that, without really exploring exactly how. Am I missing something?
Overall, I had the same experience than with any other Nolan movie I've watched: I just waited impatiently for the movie to end and get done with it. I think it was such an ambitious project and some of the ideas were so fascinating that the end product could have been more concise
It was to show that civilisation had given up on space travel and were more concerned about Earth.
It was built by fifth dimensional beings. In a five dimensional universe - you can see all of history at once and can interact with it at any point. There is no past or future in a 5D universe - everything is just there ALL THE TIME. in a Fifth Dimensional universe you can see everything that has happened and will happen at the same time. Cooper ended up there because it had always been there. The scene in the Tesseract was kind of meant to explain that. It's sort of like a predestination paradox but not quite.
Actually i thought that was cool. It was made to represent that one shot you always see on actual NASA footage. The same shot as when Cooper is driving away from the house for the final time with the countdown over the top.
Great explanations (although a little difficult to read with the dark blue background). Thank you! :)
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I can get my head around most of the concepts in this film ..
... But can someone explain how a worm hole is a sphere ?
I mean - you can nearly see the full width of it... Is the "back" of it where you exit in another galaxy ? How does it work ?
Is the other galaxy in the heart of the sphere and you just emerge from another sphere ?
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These are extra-dimensional concepts here, so there is no way to use the laws and rules that we understand to fully explain it. What we have to do is convert it into concepts we can understand in order to sort of explain what is happening, like the paper illustration.
It would technichaly be a spherical shape because like they said, that's what a higher dimensional 'hole' would be. But it's not as simple as it just being a doorway to where you're going. It warps space and time in weird ways make something beyond human comprehension.
Not a full explanation perhaps, just what I think is going on.
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The wormhole sphere thing is a good question
But, what other shape would it be? Aside from nebula, most objects in space are spheroids or on the way to becoming spherical. In fact, nebula would eventually collapse into a spherical shape as it births stars (I think!).
I guess its just a very natural, uniform shape. Aren't wormholes created from Blackholes which are also are spherical.
Just the way I see it.
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The black hole itself, or the singularity isn't spherical, it has no definable shape since it's endlessly small. But the effects on space around it through gravity is spherical, like the event horizon, the large black 'ball' which is what you can actually see when looking at a black hole.
Theoretically, a rotating black hole can form a wormhole, but that wasn't the feeling I got from the wormhole in the movie. I think that was something else, since it didn't quite look or behave as a black hole.
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I've always visualised a singularity as one of these-----> . with the universe inside it.
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Well, maybe there is a universe inside the singularity, no one really knows, though most likely not.
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I don't mean literally a universe.
It just gives me some sort of feel for the ridiculous density that's present in such a small area.
Although, I absolutely do know that one of these ------> . is infinitely larger than a singularity. And if one of these ----> . had the same density as our universe then I also know that the density of . would still be infinitely lower than an actual singularity. It just gives my feeble human mind something to comprehend since no one has ever seen a singularity.
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Actually, the mass of the singularity isn't infinite, only it's density. It's mass is the combined mass of everything it has 'eaten', and gets larger the more it eats.
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The wormhole sphere thing is a good question
But, what other shape would it be?
I know most astronomical bodies are spherical - but I meant that - as it's a sphere - and you can see around it and behind it in the film - where do you come out ?
I assume it's like another tesseract and you can enter anywhere and come out somewhere else.
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A description the applies to my ex quite neatly
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I'm not really understanding you question Kotow. Are you asking where you come out if you enter the hole, or where on the sphere one would come out coming back from beyond the hole?
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I'm not really understanding you question Kotow. Are you asking where you come out if you enter the hole, or where on the sphere one would come out coming back from beyond the hole?
Yes the 2nd part. I'm not sure how it works if you can see the entire sphere when you go in but you come out hundreds of light years away.
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It's the thing about travelling that distance in a higher dimension. Like the paper example in the movie -- to a 2-D being, the idea of folding the paper isn't fathomable. Same thing here -- we can't conceptualize a 4th dimension so we can't physically understand how it works to travel through it.
the change to the other location doesn't happen in 3-D space, it happens in 4-D or higher, so we can't put an exact place on it.
maybe if you though about the two spheres actually being the same sphere?
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That's what I was thinking too - you enter one sphere in our solar system and exit the sphere in another galaxy - but it's the same sphere.
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If that is what you mean, then yeah that's pretty much how it would work. To once again bring up the paper illustration, the hole through the paper is technically the same hole, but with both ends at vastly different places on the paper
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one of the things I appreciate about this movie is that we can take a hard scrutinizing look at details like this and find that they are thought out and make sense.
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Reating through Wikipedia's page on wormholes is fascinating. Everything from the descriptions to the artist's representations are exactly in line with how it was represented in the film.
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Just saw it. It was pretty sweet.
So, the space station/colony that picked up MM was on its way to Brand's planet right? (since I thought that was the plan all along
Or are they on self sustaining colonies. I is confused.
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I was thinking...and this may not be an original theory, I'm sure it's on the interwebz somewhere but I haven't seen it talked about.....I think it'd be neat that if by chance there were a sequel....that the story behind the sequel would be a 'history' of the ancestors of the plan 'B' humans that Brand 'bore' and raised?? That however many generations it took for 'us' to become these 5th dimensional thinking/living beings was explored and 'documented' somehow to show how we basically saved ourselves from extinction.
Yeah / Neah ??
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That idea itself is cool. But I would prefer them to leave it at one movie. Just like Inception, with a concept as interesting as that, there's a lot of potential for more cool stories. But they're not needed, both stories are finished, tied up nicely, and I think are stronger as single movies.
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That idea itself is cool. But I would prefer them to leave it at one movie. Just like Inception, with a concept as interesting as that, there's a lot of potential for more cool stories. But they're not needed, both stories are finished, tied up nicely, and I think are stronger as single movies.
I agree. I think you'd do more harm that good (to either movie) if you try to explore any of the cool possibilities that these stories created.
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Ressurecting this thread because Interstellar recently came out on video. Still am in love with it.
Has anyone read details from the original script? It reads like a Stephen Spielberg more fantastical thing with more ridiculous ideas. Like the Chinese had colonized the ice planet before dying, and Murph was Cooper's son, not daughter, and them actually finding a strange lifeform. Kind of schlocky to be honest. I'm glad that wasn't the case in the end.
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Ressurecting this thread because Interstellar recently came out on video. Still am in love with it.
Has anyone read details from the original script? It reads like a Stephen Spielberg more fantastical thing with more ridiculous ideas. Like the Chinese had colonized the ice planet before dying, and Murph was Cooper's son, not daughter, and them actually finding a strange lifeform. Kind of schlocky to be honest. I'm glad that wasn't the case in the end.
I did read some of the intended storylines from the original script. I agree....I'll take what was actually presented to us over some of those concepts. Still love the movie.
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John Nolan said the wormhole is gone in the "original" script so I assume that means it's there in the
final version.
There's nothing in the film to say it's not there and why would Cooper Station be orbiting Saturn if
they weren't intending to go through it.
Unless the 5th dimensional humans deposited Cooper at Saturn so he would get rescued because that's
where Cooper Station was at that point ?
:dunno:
I assume Coop was going to Edmunds via the Wormhole.
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Yeah. I agree with all of you on that. I'll just take what the film presents. That's where it should start and where it should end. That's the point of the art form.+
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I'm a sucker for extra features and bought the Walmart Neo packaging edition that comes with the printed book and IMAX film cell. I haven't watched the main documentary 'The science of Interstellar' yet but have seen all the other features and they are excellent. Nolan's helm at directing and crafting are fascinating and I think he should really concentrate a lot on just that. His stories also have interesting premises and I'm curious to see how a project would be if he sticks to just the directing part. It's often said/joked/ciriticized about how much exposition there is all his movies and maybe that's his MO and is none too abundant than Interstellar. I mean I don't mind some explanation but it seems this movie had the most.
I wrote my thoughts on rewatching the movie and still have some issues with the 3rd act, this movie could've been a 9/10 but turned out to be more of a 7/10 for me. There is no doubt about the music and visualization being absolutely engrossing and jaw dropping at times but a lot of the dialogue and some plot points just fell flat to me.
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One of the things that bothered me is that on Earth, they used a Saturn V rocket to launch the Ranger to the Endurance. Then later, even on planets with higher gravity than Earth's, the Ranger can reach escape velocity on its own no problem.
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That doesn't bother me much because it makes sense to conserve the fuel of the ranger before embarking on a journey. They never mention it can't work on earth. Also on the wave planet they sorta ride the wave and then get air borne so while it can be interpretated as inconsistent it makes sense. At least to me it did.
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Bump.
I've been hoping for a re-release of this film, and since we are coming up on the 10 year anniversary, I've been checking regularly for it. Some random theaters in a few states had showings over the last several months, but it seems that many more will be playing it on April 17 and the 18. In case anyone is interested:
https://www.showtimes.com/movies/interstellar-35045/movie-times/
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Very cool. I have one theater near me doing it, but the times are in the evening tomorrow. I was hoping to catch something in the morning. I could always fire up the 4k though at home. Has it really been 10 years?! Wow. Love this film.