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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: TimelessSymphony on October 08, 2014, 01:15:25 AM
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Hey everyone, I just thought i'd make a topic to see if there's any fans of "DC Comics" here, I'm one of them :p.
Last night The Flash season premiere started and it was pretty good! and tomorrow the new season of Arrow is starting which I'm REALLY excited to see.
There's been lots of talking for upcoming DC TV Shows here's the list announced so far:
Arrow
The Flash
Gotham
Constantine
Supergirl
Teen Titans (or just "Titans")
Young Justice (Maybe. There's been rumors about it though)
What do you think of Arrow/Gotham/Flash so far?
The only thing that's bothering me is that it's on different networks which is kind of confusing for me lol
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I am a huge fan of Arrow. The second season was just brilliant. I'm very excited to see how The Flash turns out.
My impression of Gotham so far is that it seems to be confused on what it really wants to be. It has the makings to be a gritty crime drama but also can be quite as cheesy as Smallville. Let's see if it can keep up this thin line between realism and fantasy it's trying to produce.
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I never started with Arrow, although I've heard it's really good.
I am interested in The Flash, but I missed it last night.
I have no interest whatsoever in Gotham, but I'm really looking forward to Constantine.
I am indifferent to Supergirl or any of the other things planned for the future.
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Just reviving this thread as I've finally caught up on Arrow and have been watching The Flash and Gotham as well.
I'm really enjoying all three so far. Arrow in particular is genuinely excellent, probably the best comic book TV show around. I've been really impressed with Gotham so far, bit of a slow build but some great stuff and nice ideas being introduced. The Flash has also been pretty enjoyable so far - definitely a bit lighter and cheesier than Arrow, but that's alright as I think it helps distinguish them a bit. It's also probably partly because it contains lots of different superpowers, whereas I think the Arrow and Batman universes are so engaging because they are much more gritty and "normal".
I do think DC is missing out a bit by not bringing the shows together in the way Marvel does. I mean, look at the Marvel TV/Movie thread here at DTF - it's really busy. Whereas this thread had 3 posts before it died. The Arrow/Flash crossover should help, but that seems to be the extent of it, and these have no relation to the movies. And it was a bit of a dick move of Warner to announce the actors that will be playing Justice League movie characters including The Flash only two weeks after The Flash TV show started. The movie isn't even due until 2018 so I've no idea why they couldn't have waited.
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To be fair, most of the Marvel posts is about the movies though. Agents of Shield is not very good at all (unfortunately) and the drop in viewers, which seems to continue going downwards which each episode just confirms that. DC is miles above Marvel with their TV universe, but they haven't really gotten their movie universe going yet, and so naturally people have more to talk about when it comes to Marvel, considering they are 8 or 9 movies into their universe.
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Are all of these shows linked? I know Arrow and Flash are, but what about the others?
I don't really have a lot to contribute to this thread. I watch Arrow but I'm more than a month behind, and I've only seen two episodes of Gotham (wasn't impressed but I might go back and watch a couple more). I haven't started Constantine or Flash yet.
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Agents of Shield is not very good at all (unfortunately) and the drop in viewers, which seems to continue going downwards which each episode just confirms that.
Nah, Agents of SHIELD is good.
This thread is really misnamed. There is a lot of DC on TV (and more coming), but none of them are connected other than Arrow and The Flash. Other than that, there is no DC TV Universe.
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Agents of Shield is not very good at all (unfortunately) and the drop in viewers, which seems to continue going downwards which each episode just confirms that.
Nah, Agents of SHIELD is good.
This thread is really misnamed. There is a lot of DC on TV (and more coming), but none of them are connected other than Arrow and The Flash. Other than that, there is no DC TV Universe.
True on all accounts. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has been miles better than last years. I'm so pissed that the ratings are dropping. It's really coming together.
Gotham... I dropped it about a month ago. There were just far too many poorly written moments in every single episode. Plus, trying to stuff pretty much every single Batman universe character into a 1-hour episode every week, and properly develop a need to care about them... well, I just didn't care about any of them. Cobblepot was the most interesting.
The episode's I haven't watched are still on the DVR, and maybe I'll go give it a shot again, but I'm just not feeling it.
Constantine... haven't tried. Not enough disposable time in the week.
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I love Gotham! One of my favorite new shows!
Constantine is meh. Watched 2 episodes and don't know how much longer I will stay with it.
Never saw Arrow.
Had no clue The Flash was even a show? What network is it on?
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Had no clue The Flash was even a show? What network is it on?
CW. It's only about 6 episodes in.
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Constantine is meh. Watched 2 episodes and don't know how much longer I will stay with it.
I felt the same way about the first 2. I thought episodes 3 & 4 were much better.
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Constantine is meh. Watched 2 episodes and don't know how much longer I will stay with it.
I felt the same way about the first 2. I thought episodes 3 & 4 were much better.
I push forward a couple more.
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:tup
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I don't really understand why people can be so judgemental about a show right at the start. Often it takes time for a show to establish itself and find its feet. It also takes time to introduce the characters and storylines, and so early episodes tend to require a fair amount of exposition which can sometimes be awkward.
Agents of SHIELD and Gotham are two shows I'm glad I've stuck with when the first couple of episodes didn't seem very exciting, because I'm enjoying them both a lot now.
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Just bumping this thread (and renaming it for accuracy, as hef pointed out).
It's a bit annoying that here in the UK we're mostly pretty behind the US with these shows. Channel 5 has only just started the second part of Gotham s1, and I think we're two or three episodes behind on Arrow/Flash as well.
On Arrow/Flash, though, I'm really liking them. Arrow is still keeping up the excellent quality they've had from the start, and while I thought the Flash was a little too cheesy at the start, I think it's settled in really nicely. Yeah it's still that bit lighter than Arrow, but I think it's found its niche and is getting the balance pretty good. I've also really enjoyed the cross overs so far.
On which note, have people been following the news of another spinoff show that will star a team of heroes? Looks like it'll involve Brandon Routh's Atom, and apparently Caity Lotz is meant to be in it as well, so not sure how they're planning to bring her character back to life (unless something has happened in a recent episode that the UK hasn't caught up with yet!). Could be really fun though, I like the richness that these crossovers bring. (EDIT: Oh and although Supergirl is going to be on a different TV network, apparently they're talking about working together to also be in the same universe as Arrow/Flash).
As for Constantine, I thought the first season was solid. Not mind blowing, but it was definitely quite different to the others, and surprisingly full-on horror film style at times. I haven't seen any news either way about cancellation or renewal, but I'd be keen to see more.
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sooooooooooooo much happened in the last episode of The Flash! If our UK buddies are behind on the episodes, I feel like I shouldn't talk about it though.
I'll just say:
"I'm sorry, but you have been dead to me for centuries." Yikes!
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I'm only watching Constantine out of that list and the first season was fun. I think it needs a little more work at building the episodes and try to be a bit more unpredictable but they can think about that.
Regarding the other shows, I never cared for Green Arrow, the Flash doesn't appeal to me that much and Gotham is Batman without Batman, it might be a good cop show but to me it will always lack Batman and that makes it very unappealing.
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sooooooooooooo much happened in the last episode of The Flash! If our UK buddies are behind on the episodes, I feel like I shouldn't talk about it though.
Don't worry about it too much, if I was that bothered I could avoid this thread. If they are really major spoilers then maybe put them in small text or something, but don't feel that you can't post them!
I never cared for Green Arrow
I never really knew anything about Green Arrow, but the TV show really is very good. Definitely has a lot in common with Batman, what with the lack of superpowers and everything.
I would recommend you checking out the first season, and if you're not digging it then fair enough, but I really think it's worth a try.
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the thing that grinds my gears about The Flash is the mixing of Barry Allen and Wally West characters, plots, enemies, etc. The Flash is my favorite comic character of all time, so I am probably more sensitive to it than most. I know that the TV shows tend to stray the most from the comics, so it was to be expected. And I haven't followed the comics in probably 5 or 6 years, so who knows what they are doing now. The transition of the Flash mantle from Barry to Wally was handled well in the comics with Barry dying a hero's death and Wally carrying on his name out of respect, shakily at first, but ultimately becoming every bit the hero his mentor was, more so than any other sidekick had done. So when Wally was ingloriously dumped from the DC roster, I just lost interest.
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having said that, I can get past it and I really do enjoy the show!
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sooooooooooooo much happened in the last episode of The Flash! If our UK buddies are behind on the episodes, I feel like I shouldn't talk about it though.
I'll just say:
"I'm sorry, but you have been dead to me for centuries." Yikes!
My goodness, what a full episode! Lots of stuff to like!
And also a small hope ruined for me. But I shall live on.
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the thing that grinds my gears about The Flash is the mixing of Barry Allen and Wally West characters, plots, enemies, etc. The Flash is my favorite comic character of all time, so I am probably more sensitive to it than most. I know that the TV shows tend to stray the most from the comics, so it was to be expected. And I haven't followed the comics in probably 5 or 6 years, so who knows what they are doing now. The transition of the Flash mantle from Barry to Wally was handled well in the comics with Barry dying a hero's death and Wally carrying on his name out of respect, shakily at first, but ultimately becoming every bit the hero his mentor was, more so than any other sidekick had done. So when Wally was ingloriously dumped from the DC roster, I just lost interest.
Interesting, didn't know any of that. I'm not a big comic reader (just Watchmen and Sandman, and a little bit of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) so aren't really clued in with how things work in the comics.
That said, what I like about these TV shows and movies (from both DC and Marvel) is how they use the source material but change things around and tell their own stories. I think they are very much separate stories based on mostly the same characters. And I think that works in their favour.
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Ok so it turns out we're only actually just over a week behind in the UK (for Flash/Arrow) - in the US you had a gap of a couple of weeks that we didn't have here, so we've caught up a bit (unless we're about to have a gap too, which would suck [EDIT: Awesome, no gap!]).
Looking forward to next week in that case!
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if you've enjoyed the show up til this point, you'll really like it. Lots of cool stuff!
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Still need to catch this week's Arrow.
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I'm up to date with both shows and both are so strong. CW is stepping up their game for sure.
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I'm up to date with both shows and both are so strong. CW is stepping up their game for sure.
What do you think of this team-up show that on the way?
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I like it. Marvel has set the standard that should have been done years ago with the cross pollination of story lines. The one thing that I'm unsure of is the original Canary will be in it? I can only assume through flashbacks.
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I'm up to date with both shows and both are so strong. CW is stepping up their game for sure.
What do you think of this team-up show that on the way?
I'm all for it. The way they've kept Arrow and The Flash as strong, distinct shows in their own right but with some great overlap has, I think, worked really well so far, so I'm looking forward to more of that. It'll depend on how good the characters are though. I'm already liking Ray Palmer so that's a good start, and if indeed Caity Lotz does return (somehow) as the original Black Canary then that could be great as I really liked her as well.
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I agree, I am looking forward to it. Hopefully they bring in Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, or Ambush Bug.
BTW, am I the only one who thinks WB/DC is dropping the ball by keeping the film universe separate from TV? They are having great success with these TV shows; I think it is a real missed opportunity to recast these roles for the films. Plus, the guy they cast as the Flash for the films looks as heroic as my big toe.
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There's a stigma that movies never use the TV actors for their movies. Maybe there has been one but of the top of my head, I can't remember one.
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Yeah I think it's a bit silly. I mean, I get that the TV shows are including some of their big characters who they also want to make films of. And if they used the same actors, they'd have to tie the film into the TV show whereas they probably want to tell standalone stories in the movies. But still, I agree that they're missing a trick.
I also thought Stephen Amell was spot on when he said that WB was a bit dickish announcing who would be playing the Flash in the movies the same week as the TV show premiered. Hugely risked playing down the cast of the show. Fortunately the show seems to have proved itself, but it could have gone the other way.
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Yeah I think it's a bit silly. I mean, I get that the TV shows are including some of their big characters who they also want to make films of. And if they used the same actors, they'd have to tie the film into the TV show whereas they probably want to tell standalone stories in the movies. But still, I agree that they're missing a trick.
Yeah. It seems they are desperate to have the same success with a shared universe that Marvel had had, but they are not following the examples of what Marvel has actually done to get there. I get that they can't do an exact follow, because then it would just be seen as a ripoff, but it is kind of a ripoff, anyway.
I also thought Stephen Amell was spot on when he said that WB was a bit dickish announcing who would be playing the Flash in the movies the same week as the TV show premiered. Hugely risked playing down the cast of the show. Fortunately the show seems to have proved itself, but it could have gone the other way.
Yeah, he was exactly right.
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Can we also discuss the DC animated movies in here? I think it's by far the best DC has come up with in terms of translating the comics to a TV Screen. If you haven't watched any of them then there's tons of fun waiting for you!
I personally recommend Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 & 2, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox and Justice League: War
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Can we also discuss the DC animated movies in here? I think it's by far the best DC has come up with in terms of translating the comics to a TV Screen. If you haven't watched any of them then there's tons of fun waiting for you!
I personally recommend Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 & 2, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox and Justice League: War
Are those straight adaptations of actual comic stories?
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Can we also discuss the DC animated movies in here? I think it's by far the best DC has come up with in terms of translating the comics to a TV Screen. If you haven't watched any of them then there's tons of fun waiting for you!
I personally recommend Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 & 2, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox and Justice League: War
Are those straight adaptations of actual comic stories?
Not sure if "straight" but all of them are adaptations or at least are based in a specific comic or story line.
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OK. Well, I figured that with Dark Knight Returns.
I haven't seen any of them.
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CISCO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Good lord, that episode.
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CISCO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Good lord, that episode.
I KNOW! I loved how Barry handled it though,
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CISCO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Good lord, that episode.
I KNOW! I loved how Barry handled it though,
Ah, we're a week behind, here in the UK. So I haven't seen the fallout yet. Episode ended with Barry finding himself at some point in the past (looks like pretty recent past).
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CISCO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Good lord, that episode.
I KNOW! I loved how Barry handled it though,
Ah, we're a week behind, here in the UK. So I haven't seen the fallout yet. Episode ended with Barry finding himself at some point in the past (looks like pretty recent past).
That's where I am too, haven't caught this week's episode yet.
I did see last night's Arrow. Good stuff.
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Next week's Arrow is going to be amazing, and Mark Hamill next week on Flash!!!
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Playing the same role he did in the 90's Flash show I hear.
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yep. I would really like to watch the older Flash show one of these days
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yep. I would really like to watch the older Flash show one of these days
I watched it when it originally aired.
I wouldn't recommend it.
Finally caught this week's Flash. Weird how all the big stuff from last week got wiped out. Oh well.
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yep. I would really like to watch the older Flash show one of these days
I watched it when it originally aired.
I wouldn't recommend it.
Finally caught this week's Flash. Weird how all the big stuff from last week got wiped out. Oh well.
I liked that aspect of it. It will now be very tempting for Barry to go back in time when bad things happen, yet he knows things will change...and not necessarily for the better.
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Caught up with Arrow last night.
I don't know...there are still a lot of compelling reasons to watch the show, but I'm bored with some of their themes. The whole 'secrets destroy trust' angle has been done to death, I think.
I was glad to see Ollie embrace the idea of another hero in town and extend an olive branch to Ray.
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yep. I would really like to watch the older Flash show one of these days
I watched it when it originally aired.
I wouldn't recommend it.
Finally caught this week's Flash. Weird how all the big stuff from last week got wiped out. Oh well.
I liked that aspect of it. It will now be very tempting for Barry to go back in time when bad things happen, yet he knows things will change...and not necessarily for the better.
Oh, I agree, and I love the time travel element.
I just hope they don't wind up overusing it. You know, the last element had all these big moments, but they all got wiped away, so they don't really count since they never happened, which means they have other chances to do them all again, which more time travel could wipe out, rinse, repeat, etc, ad nauseam, yada yada yada.
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yep. I would really like to watch the older Flash show one of these days
I watched it when it originally aired.
I wouldn't recommend it.
ditto
It's like they were trying to recreate the first Batman movie on TV, with bright neon colors contrasting with a gritty, crime-ridden city. But it just didn't work.
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Has anyone heard the rumors that Tom Welling may appear on The Flash as Superman?
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Has anyone heard the rumors that Tom Welling may appear on The Flash as Superman?
No. But I kind of hope that doesn't happen.
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yep. I would really like to watch the older Flash show one of these days
I watched it when it originally aired.
I wouldn't recommend it.
Finally caught this week's Flash. Weird how all the big stuff from last week got wiped out. Oh well.
I liked that aspect of it. It will now be very tempting for Barry to go back in time when bad things happen, yet he knows things will change...and not necessarily for the better.
Oh, I agree, and I love the time travel element.
I just hope they don't wind up overusing it. You know, the last element had all these big moments, but they all got wiped away, so they don't really count since they never happened, which means they have other chances to do them all again, which more time travel could wipe out, rinse, repeat, etc, ad nauseam, yada yada yada.
Yea, that's a real potential. I hope it's used sparingly too.
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Mark Hamill killed it on The Flash!!!
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yep
he actually had the line, "I am your father"
Awesome!
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Did you notice Green Arrow's new suit in the preview for the next Flash episode? I'm sure that wasn't an accident...
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Man what an episode!!
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Yea, Flash was great and is definitely surpassing Arrow for my interest. Mark Hamill was terrific and somehow was able to give the Trickster his own voice...I was expecting a Joker clone (since he is the voice of the Joker).
he actually had the line, "I am your father"
Mrs. P yelled, "NOOOOOOoooooooooooooo"
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Yea, Flash was great and is definitely surpassing Arrow for my interest. Mark Hamill was terrific and somehow was able to give the Trickster his own voice...I was expecting a Joker clone (since he is the voice of the Joker).
he actually had the line, "I am your father"
Mrs. P yelled, "NOOOOOOoooooooooooooo"
The best part of reading this is that we both have brainwashed our significant others to love what we love. My wife loves this show. Our work is done. :lol
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:lol
I know you're probably going to find this hard to believe, King, but Mrs. P turned me on to the Arrow and Flash. She's the one who brainwashed me. :biggrin:
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No wonder you married her! :lol
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I guess I'm the only one who thought Hammill was awful in that role. I thought he overacted in a way that would have done Nicolas Cage proud. Easily the worst performance of the season, on any show that I've seen.
But otherwise, a crazy episode.
And how about Arrow last night? That is getting crazy!
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I'll stick with Arrow for a few more episodes but I don't think I'll last through the whole season. I find myself laughing out loud at the contrived conflicts and bad acting by the police Captain (and others). I think I'm ruining Mrs. P's enjoyment, although she would never say anything.
Anyway, Ra's al Ghul calling the cops on the Arrow?! :lol :rollin Ridiculous.
I think Flash is much more fun.
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Loving Mark Hamill's appearance in this week's (UK, last week's US) Flash. He has his Joker voice on!
"This will be my masterpiece, my Mona Lisa, my Breaking Bad Season 5." :lol
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I thought this week's The Flash and Arrow were really good.
Cisco extorting a photo of him and Black Canary together cracked me up. :lol
Arrow has taken a turn for the better IMO and should be really interesting going forward. When Malcolm told Oliver that Thea wouldn't come back from the Lazarus Pit the same, I had a bit of a Pet Sematary feeling about it...which kinda was confirmed when she flew out of the water and attacked Ollie. Damn near made me jump! :)
Next weeks The Flash looks to be a real rip-roarer and maybe will reveal more about the whole time travel thing.
:corn
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I really enjoyed The Flash. Still need to catch this week's Arrow.
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I really enjoyed The Flash. Still need to catch this week's Arrow.
jingle.son and I still need to finish Season 1 of Arrow. :lol
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I really enjoyed The Flash. Still need to catch this week's Arrow.
jingle.son and I still need to finish Season 1 of Arrow. :lol
I skipped season 1 & 2, just started watching this season.
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The thing I find with both Flash and Arrow is that the over-arching storyline for each is really well done and compelling, but the week-to-week stories are weak, poorly written, and filled with wtf moments, plot-holes, and inconsistencies. It's maddening sometimes... to many "C'MON MAN!" moments. Like this week with The Flash, how did the shapeshifter lose him just by walking around a corner? And at the end, why bother even fighting him, just inject the guy. I can overlook those moments, but there are a lot of them.
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I thought Flash was a bit weak actually. How stupid could Barry and Caitlyn be? I think the writers could have come up with better scenario. Barry seriously believed Eddie was released right after he was talking about the meta human?
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I thought Flash was a bit weak actually. How stupid could Barry and Caitlyn be? I think the writers could have come up with better scenario. Barry seriously believed Eddie was released right after he was talking about the meta human?
Exactly. It's the little things like that every week that make me :lolpalm:.
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I think both shows are watchable and certainly entertaining, but they are a far cry from being great in any way. Arrow has kind of been losing me more and more lately because the prequel stuff with Oliver in Hong Kong is really boring, and the action scenes are all basically identical and at times seem like they're just being shoehorned in for the sake of having at least one in every episode.
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I agree that the last fight scene between Flash and Everyman was ridiculous - Flash should have taken him in no time - but by and large I find both shows entertaining.
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That Flash episode was incredible!!
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I think we're a couple of weeks behind on the Flash, which is weird because we're pretty much caught up on Arrow which is a couple of episodes ahead of the Flash in the UK. All a bit out of sync, especially as characters have been showing up in the other show!
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Yeah, I didn't want to say much for obvious reasons but you will not be disappointed Rich.
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That Flash episode was incredible!!
Yep! Caught it last night.
Still need to catch this week's Arrow.
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I'm a little confused as to where Arrow is going. Are the show runners trying to make us hate Oliver? Is he playing some elaborate Trojan horse scheme with Ra's al Ghul? I'll stick with it see how it comes out but Ollie has always been a little difficult to cheer for...they aren't making it any easier.
Yes, and this weeks Flash was awesome!
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Both Flash and Arrow were so good this week
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Is he playing some elaborate Trojan horse scheme with Ra's al Ghul?
I feel like he must have something up his sleeve, but assuming he is, the writers are doing a good job of making it hard for us to figure out what it is.
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Haven't been on here forever.
Just caught up with Arrow, Flash and Gotham. I like Flash the best. Arrow is good, but I don't really like having a current story and flashback storyline. The Flash is a lighter show that has more intriguing possibilities with the scientific stuff. That both shows crossover quite a bit makes them more enjoyable. I didn't care for them both at first, but I'm glad I continued to watch.
Gotham is always the one I'll catch up on when there's nothing else to watch. It's okay, but they are trying something unique with the Batworld backstory. I keep wanting time to move forward to see the characters in action. Gordon being a white knight in a dark GCPD offers some good suspense. I'm not a fan of Fish.
Constantine will see...
Looking forward to more DC shows.
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So, yea. The season finale of Arrow was last night. Uuuu...didn't see that coming!
:tup
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Haven't caught it or the Flash yet this week.
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So, yea. The season finale of Arrow was last night. Uuuu...didn't see that coming!
:tup
Caught it last night.
It was an awesome finale, but it kind of felt like the Flash was just thrown in there.
Curious to see where it goes from here.
I still need to catch this week's episode of The Flash, but I will do it today, most likely. And then the finale is next week.
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I just saw the trailer for the Supergirl show. I am physically upset. I am literally sweating and feeling the need to cover my face because of how embarrassed I am over how awful this looks.
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Or just not watch it because if that personally hurts you, you need to reassess your life. It's just a damn TV show.
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Sayeth what? I won't watch it. I checked out the trailer, really didn't like it, of course I won't watch it. And from this point on it will mean nothing to me or my life. It's a reaction to a trailer, not a summary of my life.
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You go overboard like it's affecting your life. Just state is sucks in your opinion. No TV show should ever make you physically upset.
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Well, it did. It wasn't my choice to feel like that, it's just how I felt watching the trailer, no exaggeration. It won't affect my life, but it definetely affected my physical comfort in that moment.
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Um, ok.
I'm hoping they tone down the whole rom-com aspect to it, but it could be quite fun.
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I haven't watched the trailer yet, but from what I've heard about it, I'm glad that there are currently no plans to integrate it into the Arrow/Flash universe (although it is being done by the same people).
Not interested in Supergirl as a character in any way. Never have been.
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Really enjoying Arrow at the moment. Yeah, and Agent Carter is also pretty cool. I´m pretty happy at the moment! ;D
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We caught the season finale of The Flash last night and we thought it was pretty terrific! One scene was so emotional it had me and Mrs. P sniffling in stereo.
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the Flash finale was great. And holy crap when a certain piece of headgear made an appearance!!
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That was a great first season. You don't get to see too many shows have a first season like that. Very good quality.
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Flash and Arrow finales were cool. Looking forward to the next seasons. I wonder how the Flash will change? If the Reverse Flash doesn't exist then Flash's mom lives right? Really everything would change!
I just read that the Supergirl Pilot is leaked online. 6 months early and in HD. That's shocking to me that it's out there already. I learned the same thing happened with Arrow and Flash, though I'm not sure how early they were released... But 6 months! Wow! I wonder if people lose jobs when stuff like this happens?
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Well, not everything changed. Obviously, Barry was still The Flash at the end
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Well, not everything changed. Obviously, Barry was still The Flash at the end
Yeah, it'll be that one line of dialogue in the next episode that explains it all.
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Well, not everything changed. Obviously, Barry was still The Flash at the end
well, he became the Flash (through other means) before Reverse Flash was even born
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And holy crap when a certain piece of headgear made an appearance!!
Reverse Flash's line when Jay Garrick's helmet came skidding out of the singularity was awesome! "That's my cue to leave"
Maybe they are setting up the possibility for the Flash of Two Worlds story-line (i.e. the birth of the concept of the multiverse)?
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Well, not everything changed. Obviously, Barry was still The Flash at the end
well, he became the Flash (through other means) before Reverse Flash was even born
Yes, but not until later.
Just caught the finale. It was very exciting, and I can't believe it ended on a cliffhanger. But there are now a whole host of time problems.
If Eddie's suicide caused Eobard Thawne never to be born, which erased him from time, then everything that happened on the whole season should have been wiped clean, because it was ALL orchestrated by Thawne. But that didn't happen.
Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do!
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just read that the Supergirl Pilot is leaked online. 6 months early and in HD. That's shocking to me that it's out there already. I learned the same thing happened with Arrow and Flash, though I'm not sure how early they were released... But 6 months! Wow! I wonder if people lose jobs when stuff like this happens?
I've already seen it. Sort of cool, sort of :justjen I think they might have caught the right tone. Leading actress plays her a bit quirky, though.
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Finally caught up and watched the season finale of the Flash. Pretty emotional. Very well done though. Guess I have to take back all my earlier criticism of the series. Great cast, fun to watch and great storylines. What a comic book series ought to look like! :tup
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Definitely fun, but time travel/paradox-wise, I'm not sure how everything doesn't implode on itself now.
We'll see.
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Definitely fun, but time travel/paradox-wise, I'm not sure how everything doesn't implode on itself now.
We'll see.
I still don't understand why Eddie felt he had to shoot himself. Wells was clearly distracted, and wouldn't have been able to dodge a bullet if Eddie had shot at him.
There are so many angles to do time-travel paradox's, I'm always open to the possibilities.
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Eddie was in some form related to Wells. Without Eddie no Wells. Quite simple really.
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Eddie was in some form related to Wells. Without Eddie no Wells. Quite simple really.
I got that part, Captain Obvious :biggrin:. Why kill yourself, when you can just kill the baddie? I get what he was thinking, just not why he was thinking that was the best/only choice. And if Eddie was smart enough to know that 'no Eddie = no Wells' could mean that 'no Wells = nothing that has happened for the last 15 years in this timeline ever did happen'.
Like Hef said... we'll see.
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'no Wells = nothing that has happened for the last 15 years in this timeline ever did happen'.
This, although I doubt that's how they play it.
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After finally finishing Arrow S3 and seeing Flash totally blew Arrow out of the water.
It really says a lot when the Arrow characters are better when they appeared in Flash than they were in Arrow! Ra's was the only good part in this season of Arrow.
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Yeah, season 3 of Arrow sucked the big one....hoping for better in 4, but somehow I doubt if they can reach the earlier standard.
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I don't think it sucked at all. It was a bit of a step down from seasons 1 and 2 which were fantastic, but I still thought it was really solid. The main drop in quality was in the flashback story, which wasn't nearly as engaging as it was in the first 2 seasons.
I still think it was on a par with the first season of the Flash though.
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Well alright, it wasn't crap. But I for one wanted to know more about what happened on the island. First it went from 'five yeas I've spent on a deserted island' to 'oh wait, I've spent some of it on a boat' to 'Oh, and btw, I spent about a half year running around in Hong Kong'....come on, man. I wanted to know about him honing his survival skills, his perfecting his bow-skills, all that. Missed opportunity for me.
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As someone who really liked Constantine when it aired on NBC and was upset that it got canceled, I am thrilled to hear the news that Matt Ryan will reprise the role on an upcoming episode of Arrow.
Also, yesterday's reveal of Jay Garrick (in a mockup with Barry of the classic "Flash of Two Worlds" comic) was fantastic.
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Also, yesterday's reveal of Jay Garrick (in a mockup with Barry of the classic "Flash of Two Worlds" comic) was fantastic.
I had to look that up. Pretty cool. :tup
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I quite enjoyed Constatine. Loved Matt Ryan's performance. Too bad it got discontinued.
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Awesome season opener from the Flash!
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I'm currently binging the first season on Netflix and am loving it so damn much. It has that slightly cheesy feel at times but it's buried beneath a lot of great moments, intense action and a great story. The main characters are pretty damn good actors as well, much better than I expected; especially the two 'leads' Barry and Harrison. Really interesting dynamic and this is the first DC show I've been into. I really did not like Gotham at all and am pretty lukewarm on Arrow, but this is some great stuff. The first ep collaboration made me want to get into Arrow but I'm still so very meh about it. But I'm totally into this! Flash was one of my favorite characters as a kid and I just kind of forgot about how fucking awesome he is as both a character and a superhero. This is one of the first origin stories I'm not totally sick of, and on the contrary, don't know much about. I actually like the slightly cheesy yet heartwarming moments on the show and it really reminds me of the better parts of Smallville. I know just throwing that name out there will invite cringing from a lot but I was one of the few that really enjoyed most of it (granted, I haven't rewatched it since my puberty and highschool days...then stopped watching around S6 or something like that). I digress, but it's got it's hooks in me and I'm liking it. Rawr.
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Funny. I was actually the opposite. I really liked Arrow from the start, really dug the setup and storyline and all the supporting cast. With Flash though....took me some time to get into it. I wasn't really a fan of the comic either, but I really grew to love this. They really got the atmosphere and supporting cast right. The same with SHIELD, really great casting.
Got to say though, keeping up with all of these shows...whew! Quite a task!
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I still easily prefer Arrow to Flash, though the 3rd season was definitely less strong and the Flash improved over the course of the season. Both are great fun though.
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Hm! Well I'm going to have to check out both Arrow and Shield again after I binge Flash. I can't stop watching it though, I am in love with it. It's been a while since I tried to get into either of the aforementioned so maybe my tastes just changed or I needed to see it differently. (Although I'm just going to leave Gotham...that shit is horrible...from the main cast to, and especially (ten fold) the supporting cast...fuck that 'new joker'...the guy is ACTUALLY a joke. :lol)
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The Flash season opener was fantastic! Can't wait until the awesomeness on the way next week!
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I thought the Flash was just ok. Disappointed how fast (pun totally intended) they explained away and solved the singularity. Don't really know why they had to remove the Henry-in-prison subplot, and get rid of the character totally - again, incredibly fast. And 6 months later, the local coffee joint still isn't up and running? Who owns the business? Lots of little things were kinda annoying.
I don't know jack about the DC universe, but jingle.son got all jacked about the introduction of Garrick.
Overall, kinda bland, but sets up for a very interesting season.
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Yes, the introduction of Jay Garrick is going to lead to all kinds of crazy shit.
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Yes, the introduction of Jay Garrick is going to lead to all kinds of crazy shit.
Help a brother out... why is that? Who is this cochise?
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he was the original Flash. In the comics, this would have been WWII-era. But the Golden Age ended in the late 1940s and superheroes were more or less forgotten. In 1956 the Flash was reintroduced, but it was not the same Flash. He had a different name (Barry Allen), costume, and background. In his very first appearance, he is seen reading a comic book about the Jay Garrick Flash which is what inspires him to take up the name "Flash" after his accident.
A couple of years later, while doing some super-speed tricks, Barry inadvertently transports himself to a parallel universe where he finds Keystone City which is the hometown of his childhood comic book hero, the Jay Garrick Flash. The person he used to think of as fiction actually existed in this parallel universe. And thus Earth-Two and the DC Multiverse is born. The idea is that there are an infinite number of universes that take up the same physical space, but are separated by vibrational frequencies.
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although he never got his own comic book again, he made regular appearances all over the DC universe as a father/grandfather-figure, mentor, and all around bad ass (in the hero sense).
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Well, I was going to try to keep him intrigued without spoiling everything, but I guess you could go that way too.
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BTW, finally caught the Arrow premiere. I am excite.
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I like the friction between everyone on the first Arrow episode. They need to work together but it won't come easy.
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Well, I was going to try to keep him intrigued without spoiling everything, but I guess you could go that way too.
ha, didn't realize I should have used 60 year old spoiler tags :lol
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I like the friction between everyone on the first Arrow episode. They need to work together but it won't come easy.
I agree. Plus, the setup with Damien Dark and the mystical element is laying the foundation for the future. Really looking forward to this season.
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I like the friction between everyone on the first Arrow episode. They need to work together but it won't come easy.
I agree. Plus, the setup with Damien Dark and the mystical element is laying the foundation for the future. Really looking forward to this season.
The mystical element definitely lends itself well to Constantine appearing at some point.
I thought it was a great opener, though that final scene was really cruel. WHO THE HELL DIED?
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What a god awful Flash episode this week. Jingle.kids and I were so :facepalm: throughout the whole thing.
Since when can you freeze LIGHT?
Good thing Sisco didn't suck out her carotid artery.
Jay ... "Sure, screw going home, I'll stick around with you guys a little longer just for shits and giggles. Nobody back home needs or misses me."
Security - "sure, go on up guys. You're total strangers, and your badges don't work, but we gotta get back to the baseball game"
And for fuck sakes, stop talking so openly about Barry being The Flash. Does nobody around them in the coffee shop overhear anything?
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I thought the Flash/Arrow crossover was a lot of fun last week.
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Indeed. Pretty mandatory to catch the Arrow episode. jingle.son and I are highly "spoiled", because we're still only 1/2 thru Season 1 of Arrow!! :lol
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I thought the Flash/Arrow crossover was a lot of fun last week.
Indeed! Also, they served as a nice setup for the upcoming Legends of Tomorrow!
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That spot for Legends of Tomorrow was hot. I'm gonna be all over that like a cougar on a wounded chicken. Love Snart. Gonna miss him on Flash, so I hope he has a big role in Legends.
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Finally caught up on Gotham season 2. Holy hell this has been a great season so far! Way better than season 1. Loved the Galavant arc. Hopefully the remainder of the season will be as good as the first half.
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I loved the first episode of Arrow!
I thought it was really cool how they used the opening scene (especially considering how the first half of the season ended) and then went back four months. It's kind of an over-used plot device but they had a nice twist to it, I thought. Anyway, I'm engaged in the series again now that Oliver actually seems to be learning from his mistakes. :)
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I liked Arrow and Flash this week.
I watched Legends of Tomorrow, but I need to see more before rendering a judgement.
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I watched Legends of Tomorrow, but I need to see more before rendering a judgement.
same. Kind of fun to watch, but a lot of the scenes that included all the characters seemed to boil down into "yeah, what he said", "me too", "I agree" over and over.
I do like that they are laying out some clear motivational differences for each character joining the team.
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I didn't hate Flash but I've become so numb to the whole "I can't tell the truth to the person I love because it might put them in danger." motivation that the episode was a bit disappointing to me. Both Flash and Arrow have pursued that to death, IMO. Oh, and it never turns out good for them either. If circumstance proved them right, then it would make more sense.
Also, I may be a little butt hurt because I thought the chemistry between Barry and Patty was enjoyable to watch. :lol
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Yeah, it's become a bit of a tired trope. I mean it's always present and it's an important aspect, but it's not something that needs so much focus after a certain amount of exposition. There is only so much "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR LOVED ONES IF THEY FIND OUT" that you can show the viewer. We know. Bad things happen. Villains targeting them, using them as collateral...yaddayaddayadda. :lol
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Anybody see the Legends of Tomorrow pilot? I loved the concept, but the execution could have been a bit better. Way more fun then either Flash or Arrow, though.
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Yeah, it's become a bit of a tired trope. I mean it's always present and it's an important aspect, but it's not something that needs so much focus after a certain amount of exposition. There is only so much "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR LOVED ONES IF THEY FIND OUT" that you can show the viewer. We know. Bad things happen. Villains targeting them, using them as collateral...yaddayaddayadda. :lol
Of course, those bad things also happen when the loved ones DON'T find out.
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True boo, true. You right, you right.
Those superheroes are just fucked. So are the villains though...Hmmm... SUPERHERO STORIES ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT VIOLENT ORGIES!!
I dunno. /toomuchcoffee
I thought Legends of Tomorrow was pretty mediocre for an opening and was way more into Flash at the end of the first episode. But I thought it kicked the shit out of Arrow, but I think most things do. I probably won't watch another episode until the first season is over and I'm seeing what the majority reactions are. I'd check it out no matter the reactions but I feel like this could turn to shit halfway through. I'm usually pretty harsh but also spot on with what my own feelings will be for a show and that goes double for superhero shows. I hope they turn it into something with a little bit of depth and explore the characters more than they have in their respective shows (or just at all) but I'm not holding my breath.
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I thought the first ep. of Legends of Tomorrow was pretty good. To be fair, they had a lot of exposition to cover to introduce the concept and all the characters.
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Yeah I'm definitely being too hard on it for what it is and all the things they need to cover...that's just usually how I am with TV shows though given how back-logged I am. Netflix and Hulu have spoiled me as well so I'm much more prone to wait for a show to end it's season before I catch it unless it's just really got me by the balls and my entire attention.
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That new Flash episode was amazing.
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Barry was an idiot to Patty. I understand why he did it, but personally I would rather take the risk in possibly losing Patty than being alone. I have grown tired of this whole to be a superhero is to be alone cliche
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Except anyone he loves in his life goes away. He's afraid she would get hurt or killed. That is a normal response in a not so normal situation.
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Barry was an idiot to Patty. I understand why he did it, but personally I would rather take the risk in possibly losing Patty than being alone. I have grown tired of this whole to be a superhero is to be alone cliche
Wow. That's like the epitome of selfishness. You'd rather your loved one be in constant danger and possibly die than be alone; whatever floats your hypothetical boat. I mean I suppose I'm glad super powers don't exist and lucky for your significant other. *shrug*
I think they focus a bit too much on it but it doesn't mean it's not a fact. If you're fucking around with a bunch of murderous people and you've got collateral, i.e. family, friends, loved ones, they're going to be targeted. That isn't something that is exclusive to the fantasy world. Anyone screwing around or involved with truly murderous criminals, let alone the mafia or drug cartels, etc. is going to have their family or friends threatened at some point or worse. Very real issue. It's just an issue that is focused on a bit too much in superhero stories but it doesn't make that undeniable fact any less true. It's a fact of life.
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The way I look at it, they should respect their loved-ones enough to tell them the truth and let them decide if the risk is worth it. It's even worse with Patty who is a fucking cop, for crying out loud. She already has a dangerous life. She's a big girl.
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Or that.
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How stupid is Barry... he has the balls enough to lie to Patty and let her go, but then when she calls BARRY, and THE FLASH shows up before she even hangs up the phone, what does he think she's going to think. His response when she told him "there's someone with a gun" should've been "you're a cop, handle it".
Good episode, but honestly, the Barry/Patty story arc was getting on my nerves. Let's just lose the whole love-life sub plots for ALL superheroes, k?
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enjoyed Flash again this week (although Barry sure was an idiot). Cisco meeting up with his doppelganger was pretty funny. Can't wait for Velocity 9 . . .
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jingle.kids and I were laughing to the point my stomach hurt at how hilariously bad The Flash was! I sure hope that Meta-human detector "app" was free, because it sure as shit didn't work. Also, how long was "Bartholomew" knocked out for? And how did Jay trip over his shoe laces, and get such a huge gash in his shoulder - WHILE WEARING A LEATHER JACKET!?!? And yes, Barry was a total idiot - acting like every difference on Earth-2 was such a shock, and doing a shit-ass job at trying to be Barry-2.
The main story arc had so much promise, but execution was so, SO, bad.
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I sure hope that Meta-human detector "app" was free, because it sure as shit didn't work.
why did it only work one time for Barry, and no other time when anyone was close to Barry or Cisco? :lol
And yes, Barry was a total idiot - acting like every difference on Earth-2 was such a shock, and doing a shit-ass job at trying to be Barry-2.
he completely forgot/abandoned his entire plan for becoming Barry-2 almost as soon as he came up with it! The only thing I can think of is that he was so distracted with Iris as his wife and his mom being alive that it kind of became his "perfect" world and messed with his mind/distracted him from the mission.
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^^ This! Barry acted like a total doofus throughout the entire episode!
Rest was cool, though.
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It's getting to the point where I go in expecting these kinds of annoyances with each episode of The Flash.
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jingle, this may not be the show for you lol
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jingle, this may not be the show for you lol
Normally I love it. This last one was exceptionally bad - even worse than Snart + Dad (what a goddamn waste of Michael Ironside). When he froze a laser beam - :lolpalm:. Since when does light freeze?
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https://io9.gizmodo.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479
:P
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the show is about a man that can run so fast he can time travel, and THAT is what you choose to question
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It annoys me how much they talk about their super secret stuff in public, especially at the coffee shop or the police station. There's tons of people around and they nonchalantly talk about Barry being the Flash and all other sorts of things and there is no fucking way other people aren't overhearing it.
Also Barry will run around in public without his Flash costume on and it's equally stupid because there's no way other people aren't observing that shit. Like in a recent episode where he flashed into an outdoor restaurant area full of people to a date with Patty.
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Like in a recent episode where he flashed into an outdoor restaurant area full of people to a date with Patty.
I thought the exact same thing... but wasn't that the dream sequence?
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Was it? I don't even remember.
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The Arrow island flashbacks are getting reeeeaaalllyyy Lost-y. That needs to stop.
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The Arrow island flashbacks are getting reeeeaaalllyyy Lost-y. That needs to stop.
The Arrow flashbacks in general need to stop. It seems like half of every episode is flashback, in every season.
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They're still doing that?? Damn, I thought they were annoying in S02E01.
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The Arrow island flashbacks are getting reeeeaaalllyyy Lost-y. That needs to stop.
The Arrow flashbacks in general need to stop. It seems like half of every episode is flashback, in every season.
I agree, it was cool in the first 2 season because they served a purpose! Now they're just shoving them in because it's the established way to tell the story in the episode.
They really need to stop.
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The Arrow island flashbacks are getting reeeeaaalllyyy Lost-y. That needs to stop.
The Arrow flashbacks in general need to stop. It seems like half of every episode is flashback, in every season.
I agree, it was cool in the first 2 season because they served a purpose! Now they're just shoving them in because it's the established way to tell the story in the episode.
They really need to stop.
I was of the understanding that the show is planned to last 5 seasons and that the flashbacks in each season cover a year of his time away. So in that sense, they all serve a purpose.
Now, the flashback stuff in season 3 I wasn't so keen on and it made that a weaker season. Otherwise I'm totally fine with it.
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What I was trying to say with that is that they helped further the storytelling in a better way. You see Oliver's survival in the island and his initial training to become the Green Arrow and then his relationship with Slade is explored and why he attacks Star City. Ever since they showed he left the island before the beginning of the show, it has lessen their impact (imo) and they haven't been that good since season 2 anyway.
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I am officially done with Legends of Tomorrow, BTW.
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I am officially done with Legends of Tomorrow, BTW.
I haven't even started yet - all episodes are on the DVR. Is it that bad?
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I am officially done with Legends of Tomorrow, BTW.
I haven't even started yet - all episodes are on the DVR. Is it that bad?
Bad might be too strong a word, and there are definitely good things about it.
I just see it as a gimmick show stocked with B-list characters which has a limited impact on the Arrow/Flash world. And I just don't have time for it.
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Damn... I really liked Snart.
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I like it. It's not something that blows you away. It's a fun show. I'd like to give them a few seasons to see it grow myself.
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That's it. It's a fun show, some cool effects and not too much 'deep' drama. Plus it has timetravel....
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Damn... I really liked Snart.
Then you will probably like the show more than I do. He's fairly prominent in the episodes I've seen.
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I haven't even started yet - all episodes are on the DVR. Is it that bad?
This. When it comes time to watch something from the DVR, there just always seems to be something more appealing available.
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Anyone else catch the new episode of Gotham? I'm intrigued by Hugo Stange much more Mr. Freeze. This has been a good show but I still don't feel like they've hit their stride yet.
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Thought it was a great first episode afte the break! Loved how they portrayed Victor Fries with his background, very well done. Loved Hugo Strange as well. Not so hot on the Butch and whatshername stuff, and Gordon was a bit over the top as well. On the other hand, the Ed Nygma/Pinguin stuff put a smile on my face.
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Man, every person in Barry's life from the alternate universe wants his head.
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Man, every person in Barry's life from the alternate universe wants his head.
:tup
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So, we're roughly a week behind the US with Arrow/Flash/etc., but I swear The Flash just seems to be making less and less sense. Barry giving Zoom his speed was, like, the dumbest thing he's ever done.
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I watched S1 of The Flash fairly recently since it was on Netflix, but decided to wait with S2 until all of it was out. I liked S1 but everything I've heard about S2 makes it sound much worse quality-wise. I'll still check it out though.
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Every villian knows they can get to him through his friends.
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So, we're roughly a week behind the US with Arrow/Flash/etc., but I swear The Flash just seems to be making less and less sense. Barry giving Zoom his speed was, like, the dumbest thing he's ever done.
I'm with ya there... WTF? Still a couple episodes behind, so I don't know how this all pans out.
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Anybody else still watching Gotham? This show is totally insane in the best possible way :lol
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I'm behind 2 episodes but yes!
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So I started watching Flash the other day. 3 or so episodes in. No desire to watch Arrow or Gotham.
This show isn't bad. I dig the main cast, but the villains of the week (thus far) are really laughably bad.
Although I am very curious what they're going to do with the leader of the Flash's team who has ties to the future and is clearly planning something. Good job setting up intrigue with him.
I have no idea if his character is in the comics, since I don't read DC, so it's nice seeing things unfold without knowing ahead of time.
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The Flash is sometimes painfully bad in the details of the storylines, and the sub-plots. Some of the villains are really good, and some are lol-worthy. IOverall, the main arc is great, and Tom Cavanagh is fantastic. There are a lot of unexpected twists. It's quite a bi-polar TV show... but I'm still watching it. I too know nothing of the DC universe, so it's nice to not have things 'known' in advance.
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I like The Flash a lot more than Arrow, and we won't even talk about Legends of Tomorrow, on which I gave up after 3 episodes.
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The Flash and Supergirl both have a sense of fun, with the characters actually enjoying having super powers. Which is something I wish the DC movies would have more of.
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The Flash and Supergirl both have a sense of fun, with the characters actually enjoying having super powers. Which is something I wish the DC movies would have more of.
Indeed.
Well, I mean for Flash. I don't watch Supergirl (except the episode which featured the Flash lol).
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The Flash and Supergirl both have a sense of fun, with the characters actually enjoying having super powers. Which is something I wish the DC movies would have more of.
Haven't seen the other DC shows, but you're right about Flash. I really like (at least thus far) how they handle Barry and the entire main cast. I am just severely disappointed with (again, thus far) every single episodic character. The acting also gets REALLY over the top at times.
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That does change and the episode with the story arch get intense.
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Looking forward to that.
The Time King just showed up an is thus far the best acting villain yet, obviously because Robert Knepper is one of the best TV villain actors ever.
Also, as much as I'm liking his character, I'm having a VERY hard time taking Tom Cavanough (sp?) seriously. He says every line in the silly/over dramatic voice that he used on Scrubs to make fun of characters like this.
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Well last night's Flash episode was a stunner.
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Well last night's Flash episode was a stunner.
Indeed.
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Well last night's Flash episode was a stunner.
Indeed.
In what way? I thought it was pretty mediocre.
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The ending without giving anything away for those not up to it yet.
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Huh. Okay.
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I don't want to spoil it for anyone but
You weren't surprised that Barry's dad was killed?
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Not really. It seemed pretty par for this series.
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Almost done with season 1 of The Flash.
Jesus Christ, the actor who plays Captain Cold is annoying as hell. I have no idea why he ends up the recurring bad guy when you have actors like Mark Hammil and Robert Knepper.
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:lol I really like Wentworth Miller as Captain Cold. They made the character pretty panto and over the top, but I think it fits quite well in The Flash.
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I found him tolerable in The Flash, but his overacting annoys the hell out of me in Legends of Tomorrow.
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I dunno, like, everything about that show is really panto and over the top. I think he pulls it off much better than some of the others. I really liked Sarah Lance and Ray Palmer in Arrow, whereas in LoT they're kinda silly.
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I found him tolerable in The Flash, but his overacting annoys the hell out of me in Legends of Tomorrow.
He's the best part of LoT, to me.
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On Season 4 of Arrow, season 2 of Flash, season 1 of Supergirl and Legends.
Arrow is a good show, despite some awful acting from Laurel and the whole magic plot that is really awful. I actually loved how they handled Deathstroke. However, I dunno when it started but I noticed the fight scenes are getting really shoddy, where none of the kicks/punches look like they're even close to connecting.
Flash is awesome. Really digging it.
Supergirl isn't bad actually.
Legends is...rough. Show would be a lot better if they dropped the two Hawk people and changed bad guys.............and got better writers.
Also, Legends really suffers from most problems with time travel shows. The first 20 minutes could have gone like this...
Main time travel dude (MTTD): We need to stop Badguy McEvilton in the past so he doesn't ruin the future.
Hawklady: Badguy McEvilton? But we killed him.
MTTD: You did? When?
Hawklady: Back in 2016
MTTD: I guess he somehow came back to life, better travel to the 60's
Hawklady: Or we can go to after we killed him, scoop up the remains and make sure he never comes back
There, show over.
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Well, I agree with almost everything that you stated and you got your wish on the Legends part.
Arrow....I loved the first two series. Then everything went downhill. The writing, the fighting and can we just stop the love interest bitching with Felicity? I'll tune in for season 5, but if it doesn't improve drastically, then I just don't have the time anymore. There's just too much great shows out there to follow. I would love for them to return to the grittyness of the first series and how Oliver really survived and honed his skills on the island. But it seems they're going the Russian Bratva way.
Flash: Loved it, still following, but it needs to improve as well.
Supergirl started off iffy, but it actally managed to capture the spirit of the comics and I'm intrigued if they can keep this up for season 2. It seems no more Cat Grant, though...
Legend of Tomorrow was WAYY better then I anticipated. Yes, the acting is hammed up, but come on! Something about this cast just clicks for me. Very curious about season 2.
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I agree with a lot of what you said, Adami, with the exception that I don't watch Supergirl (except the one episode that featured the Flash).
I didn't start watching Arrow until season 3, and still haven't gone back to watch the first two seasons, and probably won't at this point. The show is good, but some of the things repeating themselves (trust issues between Oliver and other team members, Felicity, etc) just get old.
I actually liked the magic angle this season, and the appearance by John Constantine.
I gave up on Legends after 3 or 4 episodes.
The Flash definitely has some issues, but it has a sense of fun that a lot of other shows don't have. Which I appreciate a lot.
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They all have issues, but they're mostly pretty good (except Legends).
After thinking about it, there's a few changes they could make to Legends to make it really good.
1. Get someone like Joss Whedon to write/direct.
2. Get rid of the Hawk people for good
3. Make Brandon Routh a much stronger character.
4. Change the plot. Instead of trying to stop a bad guy in the past, make it something like the bad guy already changed a bunch of stuff in the past, and Rip was able to recruit his men before the time stream got too screwed up, and they're mission is to go back and fix whatever they can.
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All of those would be great changes, no doubt.
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Anybody catch season premiere of The Flash last night?
Interesting.
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Anybody catch sea3son premiere of The Flash last night?
Interesting.
I will tonight.
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Damn. What a first episode.
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Just saw it. Good, but felt like they rushed to get through it all in one episode. Would have liked for it to last a few episodes.
Still, good and interesting to see what changes are there now.
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It was a set up for this seasons turmoil.
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It was a set up for this seasons turmoil.
Oh I know, they just took the basic premise and name from one of the most popular Flash comic storylines and got rid of everything else good about it and crammed it all into 1 episode. I just wish it lasted like 4-5 episodes across all the shows, so we see how it affected Arrow, Legends, Supergirl, etc.
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I loved the first Flash-episode! Yeah, it's a shame that the Flashpoint-stuff ended so quickly, but things have definitely changed in this timeline as well. It would be great if they fleshed it out over 3-4 episodes, and made Barry and everyone elses life go completely to shit before he went back.
But this will still be interesting. Iris and Joe won't talk to eachother, and the trailer for episode 2 shows that Cisco and Barry suddenly have some issues. I suppose the reverse flash fucked some shit up during his little time-romp.
My biggest issue with this entire thing is the costume for Edward Clariss/The Rival. Those spikey ear-things and the mask looks terrible.
Even though it's still kind of silly, it would be better if they just stuck with something like his original costume (IMO)
(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/d/d3/Edward_Clariss_002.png/revision/latest?cb=20120413181121)
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Yeah, but that's too close to Jay Garrick for my taste.
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Great first episode of the Flash. Loved the 'new' Cisco in this!
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The problem with these shows is all the crossovers. I mean that's a great idea in theory, but that means the viewer not only has to watch all these shows, but be up to date with them. Personally I really like The Flash (although things got a little rough in the second half of the last season) and Legends while not great TV held my interest enough. But I lost my way with Arrow midway though season 3 and haven't bothered to catch up. Supergirl for me was awful, two episodes and out. So when I get a Flash crossover with Arrow/Supergirl I only get half the story - and when events in the shows your not watching start effecting shows you are watching I gets a little offputting.
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It's like the comic books, you can't read them all even though they cross over, you just have to pick and choose the ones you choose to follow.
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I watched most of the first episode of Arrow, and stopped when he used a parachute arrow to escape getting kicked out of a helicopter.
I may be done with that show now.
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They just released a cool behind the scenes featurette of Justice League! Looks awesome. Jason Momoa seems to have a lot of fun (1:07 is hilarious!) :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ilFzVLWPog
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Watching the season 2 premiere of Supergirl now.
How is this show giving us a better version of Superman in his first 5 minutes than we have had in 2 movies?
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I really liked this weeks episode of The Flash.
It's interesting what they are doing with the timeline. It seems like the changes that have been made gives some of the characters more depth.
What other show could ever do this? If a character has major flaws, Barry can just go back in time, fuck up the timeline, and the character is much more interesting when he comes back :lol
I was never a big fan of the portrayal of Caitlin Snow. It looks like she will be much more interesting from now on.
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I saw it this morning. I agree, it was very interesting.
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Anybody else watch Gotham? Not a great show, but totally insane at times in a way that has me tuning in every week. Also, as someone whose only knowledge of Batman is from the movies, I'm not bothered by whatever bastardizations of characters/timelines from the comics are happening. Really liking the Mad Hatter's current run as a villain.
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Watching the season 2 premiere of Supergirl now.
How is this show giving us a better version of Superman in his first 5 minutes than we have had in 2 movies?
yeah, that was a pretty cool opener/supes intro.
Also, I LOVED the "MISS TESCHMACHER!!!!" callback to the old Superman movies.
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ps I'm glad they finally went ahead and showed Superman instead of dancing around his existence in the first season. I mean I understand why they did it (so Supergirl wouldn't be overshadowed) but it got a bit silly to me.
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The Flash is interesting so far this season.
I don't watch Supergirl, and I gave up on Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow. How are they doing?
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Anybody else watch Gotham? Not a great show, but totally insane at times in a way that has me tuning in every week. Also, as someone whose only knowledge of Batman is from the movies, I'm not bothered by whatever bastardizations of characters/timelines from the comics are happening. Really liking the Mad Hatter's current run as a villain.
We gave up on the show this year. Just too silly for me.
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Never liked even the concept of Gotham.
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I'm the opposite. Gotham just keeps getting better and wackier. The Arrow returns to some of the grittyness of the first season and the Flash...wellll. Legends of Tommorow is just a fun show to watch.
Supergirl has found its stride this season. Perfect balance between action and the light, upbeat humourous tone.
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I'm the opposite. Gotham just keeps getting better and wackier. The Arrow returns to some of the grittyness of the first season and the Flash...wellll. Legends of Tommorow is just a fun show to watch.
Supergirl has found its stride this season. Perfect balance between action and the light, upbeat humourous tone.
My opinion is closer to yours, though Legends is just a bit too nonsensical for me.
I'd probably rank the Arrowverse ones:
Arrow
Supergirl
Flash
Legends of Tomorrow
Not sure I can rank Gotham as it's very different. I definitely prefer it to Legends, maybe around on a par with Flash/Supergirl. Some things about it are really great - it's dark and quirky and by far the most "comic book" of any of them. But then sometimes I feel very meh towards it too.
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Ok so in The Flash, why the hell does Eobard Thorne still exist? I never even realised this but season 1's resolution was that Eddie died so that Eobard never existed, which is why he then disappeared. So why does he still exist? Why did Barry's mother still get killed by him? How does anything make even the slightest bit of sense?
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You know what really bothers me about the Flash?
How in the hell has Barry not made hot monkey love to Iris yet?! And I'm dead serious...that woman makes my tongue harder than the back of my head.
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He probably has. But then, off course, he's so 'fast' she hasn't even noticed it.... :lol
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Ok so in The Flash, why the hell does Eobard Thorne still exist? I never even realised this but season 1's resolution was that Eddie died so that Eobard never existed, which is why he then disappeared. So why does he still exist? Why did Barry's mother still get killed by him? How does anything make even the slightest bit of sense?
So....
When Flash went back in time at the end of season 2 to save his mother, he pulled that Eobard back to the new future with him. This is why he's still alive in the flashpoint episode. Then he lets him go to finish killing his mother because he wanted to try to reset the timeline to what it was. Essentially there became two Thawns, the one they killed at the end of season 1, and then the alternate timeline one that got pulled to the future and then released back to the past, which is why there is still one alive.
TLDR: Cuz time travel.
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Ok so in The Flash, why the hell does Eobard Thorne still exist? I never even realised this but season 1's resolution was that Eddie died so that Eobard never existed, which is why he then disappeared. So why does he still exist? Why did Barry's mother still get killed by him? How does anything make even the slightest bit of sense?
So....
When Flash went back in time at the end of season 2 to save his mother, he pulled that Eobard back to the new future with him. This is why he's still alive in the flashpoint episode. Then he lets him go to finish killing his mother because he wanted to try to reset the timeline to what it was. Essentially there became two Thawns, the one they killed at the end of season 1, and then the alternate timeline one that got pulled to the future and then released back to the past, which is why there is still one alive.
TLDR: Cuz time travel.
No, I mean why by the start of season 2 was there still an Eobard Thawne in the past to go back and stop at all? Eddie died without reproducing, and therefore Eobard should never have existed in the first place. Therefore Barry's mother should never have been killed in the first place.
This show sucks at time travel.
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Eddie died without reproducing, and therefore Eobard should never have existed in the first place. Therefore Barry's mother should never have been killed in the first place.
This. The show makes no sense.
But I still like it lol
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Eddie died without reproducing, and therefore Eobard should never have existed in the first place. Therefore Barry's mother should never have been killed in the first place.
This. The show makes no sense.
But I still like it lol
:lol
I agree, I really like the show.
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I'll just leave this here in case anyone feels like having an erection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS01oqEYQwo
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Yup. I can't wait to see all 4 episodes.
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Pretty good ep of Gotham last night. Without giving away too many spoilers, it was nice to somewhat close the Tompkins storyline. I thought it was well done. Glad it looks like the whole Nigma-Penguin thing is done. I did not like that angle whatsoever. Also saw the post-episode teaser for the next episode in January. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That dude has the look down for sure. ;)
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I'll just leave this here in case anyone feels like having an erection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS01oqEYQwo
I'll just say that I don't normally watch Supergirl, but I watched last night's episode precisely because it was supposed to be part one of this crossover.
The actual crossover part was about 2 minutes long, and didn't occur until 55 minutes into the episode. Yeah, I know, there were multiple portal appearances throughout the show, but that doesn't really count.
I was reminded again of why I don't watch that show.
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It's a great show, I think. Yes, it's barely connected to the arrowverse, but that's okay.
Watching the episode now, luckily I already pieced together that the cross over doesn't really happen till the very end so I won't be disappointed.
Although the "I'm cyborg superman" thing was horribly dumb. What a weird direction to go with that.
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Watched a lesbian girl react to the episode. She was bawling her eyes out after every 'Sanvers' scene and 'explaining' how much this show meant to her, then screaming in rage at the screen whenever something like, STORY started to intervene. Like when Mon-El was fighting for his life, she was yelling: 'No one cares about you!!' I don't mean to start a flame war, but what the actual fuck?? Is this show become all about the Lesbian cause now? :yeahright
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BTW, Gotham totally kicked Supergirls ass this round.
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Watched a lesbian girl react to the episode. She was bawling her eyes out after every 'Sanvers' scene and 'explaining' how much this show meant to her, then screaming in rage at the screen whenever something like, STORY started to intervene. Like when Mon-El was fighting for his life, she was yelling: 'No one cares about you!!' I don't mean to start a flame war, but what the actual fuck?? Is this show become all about the Lesbian cause now? :yeahright
No? Your friend just seems like a weird person to watch this stuff with.
Unless Mon-El and Kara kissing means the show is all about the heterosexual cause now.
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The episode of The Flash was much better, although imagine my raging when the 2 minute "crossover scene" from Supergirl was replayed during this episode, meaning watching that hour really WAS a waste of my time.
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I'm digging Supergirl. I'd still put it on a par with The Flash, below Arrow but better than Legends.
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I'm digging Supergirl. I'd still put it on a par with The Flash, below Arrow but better than Legends.
It may be good, I just don't like the very idea of the character and never have.
Oh, and what is with a character calling himself Cyborg Superman and looking nothing like Superman, or having Superman's powers? I know the character from the comics, and that isn't him.
Not sure why they felt the need to change the stories of J'onn J'onz and Hank Henshaw that way. Seems weird and unnecessary.
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Never read the comics, so fair enough but I'm just watching the show as is. We're also a couple of weeks behind in the UK, but yeah some of the villains and plots are a little silly sometimes, but that's the case with the whole Arrowverse (Flash a similar amount to Supergirl, and Legends is basically non-stop nonsense :lol ).
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I only made it three episodes into the first season with Legends. What a preposterous title.
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Pretty much. :lol I only really watch it for completeness, and it is pretty fun sometimes, but that's about it.
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So I watched the Supergirl, Flash and Arrow episodes of the crossover. While Supergirl's was pointless (only in so much as it relates to the crossover) the rest of the episodes have been great. The Flash in particular was great, and the episode of Arrow was by far the best since season 3, even if it the "return" of Deathstroke was a major letdown.
Currently watching the Legend's episode of it and it's good so far. Felicity and Sisko are great in it. Felicity yelling "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!" was a really fantastic reference that I assume most people will miss.
I will say that Flash and Arrow's episode should have been double in length. I'll probably feel the same about this one.
And the "She kind of looks like my cousin" line was really great.
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Oh I got it. The Legends episode had a nice conclusion. It was fun to watch.
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question about the Supergirl episode: if her father created the Medusa virus on Krypton to affect any non-kryptonian alien, then why were humans not being affected by the virus? Did they explain that and I just missed it?
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question about the Supergirl episode: if her father created the Medusa virus on Krypton to affect any non-kryptonian alien, then why were humans not being affected by the virus? Did they explain that and I just missed it?
Ohhh I see your point. I guess it also doesn't hurt humans? Dunno.
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question about the Supergirl episode: if her father created the Medusa virus on Krypton to affect any non-kryptonian alien, then why were humans not being affected by the virus? Did they explain that and I just missed it?
Yes, another of the multiple problems with that show.
I finished out the crossover shows. It was quite enjoyable, and apparently the ratings were through the roof, so it (or some version of it) is sure to happen again (shocker).
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Wow what an awesome episode of Gotham! That Jerome/Bruce fight was great to watch. They both acted their asses off! :tup
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And now it looks like Batman is being re-written by one of the BvS writers.
Cool.
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I think I'm going to finish up this third series of the Flash and unless it shows improvement part ways with it. The show was never grade A material, but the first series was a lot of fun, but now I'm just finding it a chore - why does every character have to have powers? And then there is the relationships..... And do we really need a speed villain every series and a different version of Harrison Wells (I loathe the current HR version).
Up the plus side Leagues of Tomorrow has stepped up it's game from it's first iffy season, I'm actually really enjoying it at the minute.
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Up the plus side Leagues of Tomorrow has stepped up it's game from it's first iffy season, I'm actually really enjoying it at the minute.
Wut? I mean, it's fun and all, but it's so totally ridiculous. That's the one I'm mostly likely to give up on.
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Up the plus side Leagues of Tomorrow has stepped up it's game from it's first iffy season, I'm actually really enjoying it at the minute.
Wut? I mean, it's fun and all, but it's so totally ridiculous. That's the one I'm mostly likely to give up on.
Oh yeah, but at least it's fun. The Flash is just so full of annoying cliche character romances at the minute (Barry, Iris. Catlyn, Julian. Wally, Jessie. Joe, Cop Girlfriend). 50% of every episode is full of crappy relationship issues conversations, oh yeah and there is the threat of
an up and coming musical episode :facepalm:
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I think I'm going to finish up this third series of the Flash and unless it shows improvement part ways with it. The show was never grade A material, but the first series was a lot of fun, but now I'm just finding it a chore - why does every character have to have powers? And then there is the relationships..... And do we really need a speed villain every series and a different version of Harrison Wells (I loathe the current HR version).
I'm with you. Right now it feels like an obligation to catch it every week, which is not the way watching a TV show should feel.
I've already given up on Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow, and never got into Supergirl.
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Legends has been quite a lot of fun the past couple of episodes.
Flash is starting to bog down a bit. Lots of fast forwarding through all the boring stuff lately.
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While I'm still enjoying Flash, I agree that the huge emphasis on relationships is getting harder to sit through.
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really enjoyed legends again this week. Can we please find a way to keep Gideon around as a live character? Who knew the ships AI was so hot!?
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Yep that was a fun episode. And Gideon and Rip together were great to watch.
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Losing the boring Hawks was the best thing the show could do.
Anyone feel with the amount of dialog quipping and nerding out in this show right now, it feels very old school Joss Whedon.
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Man, just catching up to all these shows finales! Supergirl was fun, but Arrow takes the cake this season! Wow! Totally restored my faith in the show with this last season.
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That was one hell of a cliffhanger to leave us on.
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Just got the finales still to go here in the UK, and all three were left in a bit of a "we're all fucked" situation. :lol
Arrow remains by far the strongest of the four shows. The Flash has got too silly and the writers do such a bad job of incorporating time travel, though I enjoy quite a lot of the character stuff so it's still decent overall. Similar with Supergirl. Legends is just too absurd that I'm almost tempted to give up on it.
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I quite enjoy Legends because of its blatant self mockery and goofyness. The Flash started out as fun, but has become such dreck. People seem to lap it up, tho.
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I'm one of those who loves The Flash. I really do think it's the love story that throws off the fans. Nerds and dudes want action, not a love story.
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I'm one of those who loves The Flash. I really do think it's the love story that throws off the fans. Nerds and dudes want action, not a love story.
Er, I don't think its that at all. The love story and other character stories are fine, it's the lack of coherent narrative that's the problem.
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Maybe on this site where people use one organ more than the other but what I've heard from other fans is that the love story and how wishy washy it is.
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I love all the shows, the I like Arrow the least. That said, the 2nd half of this season was a huge return to form.
I say 2nd half because people seem to forget that the first part of this season was dealing with that dumb drug dealer guy that no one remembers.
As far as finales go, yup Arrow took the cake. The return of Slade, the sacrifice of Malcolm (actor isn't returning), and just all of the character moments were great.
The "cliffhanger" was a bit meh, since obviously they're not killing off most of those people. They didn't really need it either since the whole choice element beforehand was good enough. Despite that, terrific finale, Slade and Oliver are a great combination that I missed, and Adrian has been a terrific villain.
I hope they don't pull a Flashpoint thing with Flash next season though, where everything is resolved in the first episode. Just feels like such a huge emotional move, only to reset so quickly, but at the same time, I doubt they have the balls to leave him in the speed force for long.
Supergirl...........it was fine. Seemed a bit forced at the end though. Good lead in to the next season though, curious who that is.
And Legends is great. The first season was really hard to watch and I was about give up, but most of the 2nd season really cleaned up. They found that great balance between good character moments and over the top cheese, and embraced them both. So I'm looking forward to all of them returning.
Edit: On 2nd thought, I think maybe it would be a cool idea to end Arrow on the cliffhanger. And then maybe in a year or so, or at the end of the next season of The Flash, have them show Oliver as a broken man who really did lose everyone on the island.
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I quite enjoy Legends because of its blatant self mockery and goofyness. The Flash started out as fun, but has become such dreck. People seem to lap it up, tho.
SAME! I wasn't sure about Legends at first, but it has become my "fun" show. Flash started off as my whiz bang pow big fun superhero show, but it has since become a mopey soap opera. Kind of a chore to get through an episode now. The episode where he lost his memory and the musical episode were the best ones recently because they were fun.
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Just announced that Gotham is moving to Thursday nights. Not pleased. I hear that's one-step removed from the dreaded Friday time slot, which is the death-knell for TV shows.
I can't watch the show on Thursdays anyway, so it'll have to be an on-demand watch for me next season, I suppose...
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My DVR saves me this pain. I only watch sporting events live.
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The issue I have with Flash is that the main story arc's have so much potential, but then the show just fuck's it right up with such gaping holes and problems in the details. I can't tell you how many times jingle.son and I have yelled at the TV because of this - for instance... Barry's speed ranges from running around the city in a couple of seconds, to not being able to out-run a dude on a motorbike.
And yeah... the writers completely bugger up time-travel concepts.
I'm about ready to give up on it - there's too much other good stuff on TV/Netflix to watch.
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So I am officially completely confused.
After the amazing success of WW, you'd think things would be heading in a good direction.
Now, apparently they're doubling down on Jared Leto's Joker, which not a ton of people loved, by giving him THREE movies.
There's also going to be a stand-alone Joker origin story with a different actor, because we all want to know the Joker's origins.
AND the new Batman movie will apparently be unrelated to the DCEU and not star Affleck.
The hell is going on?
Of course, there's always a chance some of these reports will turn out to be false? I dunno. They seem official at the moment, but DC and WB have a habit of announcing a ton of stuff and not following through on most of it.
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Ben went to rehab and may be backing out.
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Ben went to rehab and may be backing out.
I think Ben not being Batman is the least surprising part of everything I posted haha
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:lol
I think you questioning DC IS the least shocking thing we've all thought! Lol
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:lol
I think you questioning DC IS the least shocking thing we've all thought! Lol
Very true!
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So Gotham's back for season 4! Any opinions on season premiere?
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So Gotham's back for season 4! Any opinions on season premiere?
I'll let you know in a few hours, just finishing up S3 on Netflix.
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Just watched it, wasn't too shabby, laying groundwork for new storylines. Shame I can't binge watch this one lol
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Yeah, it's quite the busy watching schedule with all those CW shows... :)
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Gotham is one of my favorite shows and I haven't been disappointed with this new season yet
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THIS HOUSE IS BITCHIN'
https://media.comicbook.com/2017/10/flash-premiere-translation-1037714.jpg (https://media.comicbook.com/2017/10/flash-premiere-translation-1037714.jpg)
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heh, that was actually pretty funny
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THIS HOUSE IS BITCHIN'
https://media.comicbook.com/2017/10/flash-premiere-translation-1037714.jpg (https://media.comicbook.com/2017/10/flash-premiere-translation-1037714.jpg)
heh, that was actually pretty funny
Yeah, they were building tension on what that hidden message would be... and then that happened :rollin
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The first episode of 'Legends of Tomorrow' was a massive swirling ball of awesome stupidness........and that's how I like it. Dumb as a bag of hammers, but utterly entertaining fun. Micks 'Your salad sucks' line to Julius Caesar had me in stitches.
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Mick is the show's redeeming feature. Honestly were it not for him, I might give up on the show, but he's brilliant. :lol
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THIS HOUSE IS BITCHIN'
https://media.comicbook.com/2017/10/flash-premiere-translation-1037714.jpg (https://media.comicbook.com/2017/10/flash-premiere-translation-1037714.jpg)
heh, that was actually pretty funny
Yeah, they were building tension on what that hidden message would be... and then that happened :rollin
funny reference to it this week
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Sadly yesterday I made the decision that I was parting company with The Flash. To be honest it's a show I've struggled with for a while - I think each season has got progressively worse. Halfway though episode 5 (the one where the girls team up) I just lost the will to continue - turned it off there and then, unless I hear the show has gotten gud again then I can't see myself returning.
On the plus side Legends of Tomorrow remains as enjoyably dumb as it was in season 2, it's the only one of these DC shows I'm watching now.
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And...Justice League is getting roasted by the critics. Not that a critic's opinion necessarily means anything. But the criticisms are fairly specific and tend to focus on things the DCU has had a history of mucking up, so I'm not hopeful.
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Wrong thread boskypoo: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43488.msg2377960#new
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Oops.
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Spoilers....
Butch becomes Solomon Grundy?! SWEEEEETTTT!!!
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Enough with the long drawn out mid season breaks. Looks like Gotham has most of the season done. Why do we need to wait 3 months? I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather have a later premiere date to the season, so we get the whole season without interruption.
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Yeah I hate those too. Season's just getting warmed up and they leave you blue-balled.
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Gotham!OMG! This season's just getting better and better! Also, it seems it is renewed for a fifth and FINAL season! :-[
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So Ruby Rose has been cast to play Kate Kanw/Batwoman in the upcoming CW show. Excited?
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Catching up with Flash, and I'm up to the Invasion! crossover. Had to watch all three of course, and am on the Legends one, and I think they snuck in the best easter egg ever when Felicity gets linguistic issues from her first time travel venture and in her blabbering utters "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" :lol
Just sharing with nerds who appreciate this type of shit.
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Those crossovers were really enjoyable to watch.
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So...I don't watch these shows, but my wife and daughter do, so I catch the occasional episode. I can't help but feel like these shows exist for almost no purpose other than to showcase incredibly attractive 25-35 year old people (I focus on the women). Not that I'm complaining, mind you, and I realize Sidney Bristow's dad and Det. Green from Law & Order don't fit that description, but it seems to strain credibility -- and makes it difficult for this casual observer to take them seriously -- when the smoking hot blond with the sexy librarian look is supposed to be a super genius with a Ph.D in quantum physics (or whatever). Am I missing something?
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While I get what you are saying, is it any surprise given how people (especially, but not limited to, the super heroes themselves) are drawn in the comics these shows are based on? I mean, I'm not defending the quality of these shows (I haven't even seen them and don't intend to). But as a casual observer of your casual observerness, I think that might be a misplaced gripe.
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While I get what you are saying, is it any surprise given how people (especially, but not limited to, the super heroes themselves) are drawn in the comics these shows are based on? I mean, I'm not defending the quality of these shows (I haven't even seen them and don't intend to). But as a casual observer of your casual observerness, I think that might be a misplaced gripe.
Not really a gripe; just an observation (and your point about how comic books are drawn makes sense). However, there's no way that my wife in an alternate universe would have the creds she has at her age.
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Gotcha. :tup
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Hmm...other than Poison Ivy (the last casting of her), and Dr. Thompkins (who is portrayed by the absolutely stunning Morena Baccarin (who is 39), not sure I agree. But then again, I've ONLY watched Gotham. No real interest in the others.
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Hmm...other than Poison Ivy (the last casting of her), and Dr. Thompkins (who is portrayed by the absolutely stunning Morena Baccarin (who is 39), not sure I agree. But then again, I've ONLY watched Gotham. No real interest in the others.
Gotham is very different, and entirely unconnected. The Arrowverse is definitely very attractive 20-somethings.
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Hmm...other than Poison Ivy (the last casting of her), and Dr. Thompkins (who is portrayed by the absolutely stunning Morena Baccarin (who is 39), not sure I agree. But then again, I've ONLY watched Gotham. No real interest in the others.
Gotham is very different, and entirely unconnected. The Arrowverse is definitely very attractive 20-somethings.
That's a CW thing. They target young audiences.
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mmmm, Morena Baccarin :hat
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mmmm, Morena Baccarin :hat
:tup :hat
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Looking forward to the final episode of Gotham tomorrow. It sucks to a degree, because I dug the show, but hated the way they had to speed it up this season. So much good storytelling left to do. Hopefully the final episode is a good one.
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Yeah, looking forward to it as well. Won't get to see it until tomorrow night because of Avengers, but curious to see how the pull off the time jump for this final episode.
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Gotham finale felt a bit underwhelming, mostly because viewers knew that they were heading towards the characters meeting Batman for the first time. Had they not promoted the episode with the Batman tease and kept it completely secret, it would have had much more impact.
I did like seeing Penguin and Riddler in full-on costumes, looking like the 1960's TV show characters. The Joker stuff was cool, but again, just a tease since the film studios seem to have a very tight hold on that character. I love how the show was able to show the character evolve over time into the final version.
It was a great, fun show to watch that dug way deeper into the cache of Batman villans than I'd ever expected that they would.
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Gotham finale felt a bit underwhelming, mostly because viewers knew that they were heading towards the characters meeting Batman for the first time. Had they not promoted the episode with the Batman tease and kept it completely secret, it would have had much more impact.
I did like seeing Penguin and Riddler in full-on costumes, looking like the 1960's TV show characters. The Joker stuff was cool, but again, just a tease since the film studios seem to have a very tight hold on that character. I love how the show was able to show the character evolve over time into the final version.
It was a great, fun show to watch that dug way deeper into the cache of Batman villans than I'd ever expected that they would.
I think they did the best they could with that finale, given everything (the shortened season, all the storylines, etc.). The whole season felt rushed, which was inevitable. But for what it was, I enjoyed it. I have the last season on pre-order already with Amazon.
I agree on some of the villains. I really liked that they introduced, even briefly, Firefly, Mr. Freeze, Azrael, etc. They probably could have done a lot more fleshing of those characters out if the show had been popular. I think it was fortunate to get five seasons. Fox probably wanted to cancel it after Season 3, and they managed to hold on.
The show had a lot of missteps, IMO, but the cast truly loved what they were doing, and it showed, which endeared the show to me. I think the whole Barbara Keene storyline was ridiculous, as was Tabitha, and the one featuring Fish Mooney. Particularly the latter. I also didn't really care for how Bane was portrayed. Felt cheesy. But I kept reminding myself, the show isn't Batman, its an alternate take of Gotham before Batman. And every time I told myself that, I just appreciated it for what it was. I really felt they did well with Talia Al Ghul (and Ra's), and both Gordon and Bullock were really top notch.
The biggest disappointment though is them not being able to call The Joker -- The Joker. Because clearly that's who Valeska is (love the nods made to all the Joker versions that came before throughout his appearance). And that actor really nailed the laugh. Lost opportunity with that guy. He really did a stand up job.
I'm glad I stuck through all five seasons, really appreciate the cast, and hopefully their performances have set them up for other notable roles in the future.
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Batwoman TV show trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIiPcv4_iY
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What's with all the hate on that trailer? It's BatWOMAN? What everyone expect?
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What's with all the hate on that trailer? It's BatWOMAN? What everyone expect?
Just typical alt-right trolling like every other female-fronted thing recently. Ignore it.
Trailer looks awesome and she was great in the Arrowverse crossover last season. Looking forward to it!