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Title: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on September 21, 2014, 05:33:32 AM
Hey folks- it seems to me that we have a thread for just about every prog metal band of note , there's threads for Power Metal , melodic rock/AOR , Thrash (not active) and a few classic metal bands like Accept, Judas Priest etc..... have their own threads but for the most part there's a big gap when it comes to a general thread/discussion on classic hard rock and metal and uh.........I hope to fill it  ;D    ::)  When I say "classic" hard rock and metal I'm talking about bands both past and present that play rock and metal in a style that was popular from late 70's through early 90's before the epidemic of flannelette flu devastated the music world.  :angel:

Hopefully a few of the fogeys and fogeys-in- waiting who followed my Top 50 will use this thread to help to keep the discussion going here.  So Chad, Kade, Paul, Tim, JJ , King ,Gaz etc......get yo' asses over here and get posting  ;D

So from now on there's no need to chat melodic metal/hard rock and so forth in the AOR thread (as a few of us do) and as far as I'm concerned this thread can encompass everything from hair metal/bluesy hard rock through to the more melodic end of thrash like Megadeth/Metallica .  Some bands have their own threads of course and there's inevitably some crossover between melodic rock/hard rock etc.....   but at least now there can be a place for just general  :metal chat

Seeing as I've started the thread I'll try and take some ownership over keeping things humming and so at least once or twice a month I intend to go back into the archives and post some scans of everything from music magazine covers , rare albums/merchandise , concert photos (TAC posted some goodies in my Top 50)  and memorabilia.  Hopefully we can stir up some good memories.  My memorabilia collection is rather heavily weighted towards Van Halen but I'll do my best - hopefully others can contribute in that regard from time to time and lessen the reliance on me - even if it's just a cool shirt or something. 

I've stumbled up a step ladder earlier today and found a few mags to get me started (back with that in the next day or so once I've done some scans ) . In the meantime here's a nice item of kitchenware I like to serve nibblies in  ;D



(https://s17.postimg.org/5cvfjx4vv/dlr_plate.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5cvfjx4vv/)




PS  Once I opened up the first magazine I have in mind and saw the contents ..OMG  :rollin  - the photos and articles are just so good/funny and bring back so many memories.  I wish I could scan you guys some of the articles and photos within but I don't want any copyright trouble for myself or anyone on DTF and so I'll refrain and stick to covers , funny ads etc....  :sad:   I'll try to make a couple of notes here and there on any points of interest from the articles to help generate some chat.


Top Tens Index

The thread now includes Top Tens on a variety of topics (years/bands etc....) and I will index them here , noting who the original list was contributed by and the page of the thread to refer to if you wish to view it.

Best Albums of 1980 (bl5150) pg 8

Best Albums of 1981 (bl5150) pg 9

Best Albums of 1982 (bl5150) pg 10

Best Albums of 1983 (bl5150) pg 12

Best Albums of 1984 (bl5150) pg 16

Best Albums of 1985 (bl5150) pg 20

Best Albums of 1986 (bl5150) pg 25

Best Albums of 1987 (bl5150) pg 40



PODCASTS: (note : the sound improved dramatically from around #4 or 5 onward.  I hope to find time to go back and "remaster" #1-3/4)

#1 (Nov 23 2015) https://mega.nz/#!WV0nFBba!mFUfjV-xqzSS9brPbOulj29RHRkyZbcqaDGLHZPsijQ
#2 (Dec 4 2015) https://mega.nz/#!zZ1SwSpC!SOkbATnvNMJEl3Ig90WvQuAeOS7vHol60ehFylXAqOk
#3 (Dec 28 2015) https://mega.nz/#!vE0zyYbJ!960qxiulRjNVuOiOMuurYSOGLLI3inEkXrp9IkVfSTQ
#4(May 2016) https://mega.nz/#!uY800aIC!wauNkzX-lRcHE-5XqbeYmPMpHdA_1SKPZwe8Gos2pvs
#5(Sep 2016) https://yadi.sk/d/RKEPh6_av3fFD https://yadi.sk/d/347TnXFfv8pU4
#6 (Oct 2016 - Best of 1988 Pt 1)  https://yadi.sk/d/V_2qYHdxwfuUe
#7 (Nov 2016 - Best of 1988 Pt 2) : https://yadi.sk/d/mgjVQWkuy4M7g
#8 (Feb 2017) 2016 - The Rest  https://yadi.sk/d/RZpP75UQ3CPL6z    TRACKLIST: https://yadi.sk/i/GCjYFSj23EFLPq
#9 (Mar 2017)  Best of 2016 Countdown https://yadi.sk/d/_CM9gsFK3FXJgg  TRACKLIST : https://yadi.sk/i/5Z6Z9g-s3Fvyvi
#10 (April 2017)  Hard Rock Rarities #-B's  https://yadi.sk/d/umAMRDez3HRyAA
#11 (May 2017)  https://yadi.sk/d/vKRZGE0k3JkKHt
#12 (Sept 2017)  includes Hard Rock Rarities U-Z  https://yadi.sk/d/psG_0fIs3N2G3n   TRACKLIST: https://yadi.sk/d/WCXdPt-P3Nximk
#13 (Dec 2018)  https://yadi.sk/d/7H7xuIZ-zRG6NA  TRACKLIST:  https://yadi.sk/i/j6z4DLzjlqyskQ
#14 (Jan 2019)   Best of 2017 - Top 40  https://yadi.sk/d/CfyozDrRUiyGhQ
#15 (Jan 2019)  Best of the Rest 2017  A-K  https://yadi.sk/d/1EmCkBnyo-slCg TRACKLIST : https://yadi.sk/i/MElBI6hCxuX7-A
#16  (Feb 2019) Best of the Rest 2017  L-Z
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 21, 2014, 06:57:01 AM
*goes up to attic and down to basement*
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on September 21, 2014, 06:57:37 AM
I'll follow. I've never really been one for memorabilia, despite being a KISS fan. I used to pick up limited editions and maybe picture disks/coloured vinyls but not since I went the cd route in 1987.

I don't have any pictures from gigs - never had a camera back in the day and I'm there for the  music I suppose. TAC's pics are usually very cool - I'll look forward to those.

The drawback to this lack of collecting behaviour is that I can't remember half the gigs I've been to - who supported who, where I saw bands or even if I saw them.

- cool plate by the way Brent. I initially took it for a clear vinyl disc. My only DLR "collectable" would be the Spanish version of this very album. Thinnk I played it once and "filed" it!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on September 21, 2014, 07:02:00 AM
I'm a bit the same Paul - I've never been one for carrying phones/cameras around with me and , with only a couple of exceptions, I don't have much in the way of good concert photos and records of who I've seen etc...   I really regret this in many cases - especially things like hanging out with someone like Jeff Scott Soto and his (then) missus before and after a gig and not even a photo to show for it ......stupid  :-[  Having said that many of the gigs I went to back in the day frisked you for cameras and the like .

 I do have one great photo of me shaking hands with some guy called Eddie which I hope to find (and post) on this journey through the archives.  No idea where it is as it was filed God knows where during a house move.

Don't worry too much about memorabilia - it's a discussion thread which I reckon fills a gap on DTF and I'm just using memorabilia and old mags etc...... as a way to jump start things and generate some discussion/reminiscing.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 21, 2014, 08:00:36 AM
I don't have a lot of time today, but I can get some things up here tomorrow.
I took a lot of pics back in the day.

Love eat 'Em And Smile. Though Van Hagar won the war, that first battle easily went to DLR. Saw Tesla for the first time open his show.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on September 21, 2014, 12:32:57 PM
This is already my all time favorite thread!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on September 21, 2014, 01:17:53 PM
I'm a bit the same Paul - I've never been one for carrying phones/cameras around with me and , with only a couple of exceptions, I don't have much in the way of good concert photos and records of who I've seen etc...   I really regret this in many cases - especially things like hanging out with someone like Jeff Scott Soto and his (then) missus before and after a gig and not even a photo to show for it ......stupid  :-[  Having said that many of the gigs I went to back in the day frisked you for cameras and the like .

 I do have one great photo of me shaking hands with some guy called Eddie which I hope to find (and post) on this journey through the archives.  No idea where it is as it was filed God knows where during a house move.

Don't worry too much about memorabilia - it's a discussion thread which I reckon fills a gap on DTF and I'm just using memorabilia and old mags etc...... as a way to jump start things and generate some discussion/reminiscing.

Yeah the camera thing was pretty difficult here in the UK. They would be confiscated if found. Kinda put me off trying.

I love this DLR album. Vai's guitar is just so cool sounding. This was a young guy going toe to toe with the recognised metal guitar hero and winning - by a landslide.

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 21, 2014, 02:20:00 PM
This is already my all time favorite thread!
:lol
 :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on September 21, 2014, 06:47:54 PM
How about starting this thread with a  discussion on a man who unfortunately doesn't get mentioned much around DTF; the mighty Ronnie James Dio! What is everyone's top five Dio fronted albums?

Mine

1) Heaven & Hell 2) Holy Diver 3) Last in Line 4) Mob Rules 5) Rising
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on September 21, 2014, 06:53:53 PM
This is already my all time favorite thread!
:lol
 :metal

 :metal :metal

(https://s28.postimg.org/lx7rqymgt/Powerline_Mar_1989.jpg) 


OK - here's my first attempt at bringing back a few memories and what a choice I made.  This magazine is the tits.   Powerline was around from mid 80's - mid 90's and aside from my AOR tastes it pretty much covered everything I like with its motto of "from Glam to Slam". Check out those names on the cover  :metal  and a very boyish looking Zakk Wylde.  I actually had a Gibson done in that design back in the day .

The edition here is March 1989 and it was a really amazing read.   The are feature interviews w/cool photos with all the bands listed on the front.  The reviews section has a rather glowing review for a new band with a debut album out : Dream Theatre (spelt wrong of course) .      There's also an interesting ad for King Diamond's album "Them" .........King Diamond was the first Billboard charting artist for Roadrunner who are listed here as "Roadracer Records" due to a few trademark issues with a rather speedy cartoon character at the time.

The interview with Europe is rather interesting - things were obviously pretty raw between them and John Norum at the time as there's a few backhanders flying.

There's all those Colombia Record Club ads and the t-shirt company ads that I used to drool over.    There's a profile on a young up and coming guitarist called Jason Becker.   I could go on ...............this could be the best magazine in my collection and I grabbed it first up.


Re JJ's question.............

1) Heaven &Hell 2) Lock Up The Wolves (yeah,yeah...:)  )  3) Holy Diver 4) Sacred Heart 5) Rising

My most played would probably be LUTW.....unsurprisingly that was my first Dio album.   I find that most Dio fronted albums have anywhere from 1-3 classics for me and plenty of filler.   Rising gets there purely because of Stargazer, Holy Diver mostly based on Stand Up and Shout, Don't Talk To Strangers and Rainbow In The Dark (the rest I don't play) and so on.   I love Dio and his best songs are among my favourites of all time -  the lack of a full album of classic material to my ears is the only reason he didn't make my Top 50 albums.  Top 50 songs?? .........could be a different story.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: WebRaider on September 21, 2014, 07:23:33 PM
Very cool mag and plate!



Top five Dio fronted albums?

1. Heaven & Hell
2. Holy Diver
3. Mob Rules
4. Dehumanizer
5. Strange Highways
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
I never got into Strange Highways, and still don't have his Sabbath albums (I just know the more well known tracks), but Holy Diver and The Last in Line are among my favourites.

Keeping in mind my lack of Sabbath from the list, I'd maybe go with-

Holy Diver
The Last in Line
Dehumanizer
Killing the Dragon or Lock Up The Wolves
Long Live Rock n Roll
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on September 21, 2014, 08:02:44 PM
Dehumanizer is a very underrated heavy metal album.

"I" is phenomenal!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Big Hath on September 21, 2014, 09:45:09 PM
still cannot believe that version of ZW is the same person as the current model
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2014, 09:50:56 PM
Dehumanizer is a very underrated heavy metal album.

"I" is phenomenal!

That's a good one, although my favourites would be Letters From Earth, Master of Insanity, and Time Machine. It's a very underrated and solid album though. Buried Alive is the only track I don't like.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 22, 2014, 03:06:16 AM
This sounds like a cool thread, so I'm in.

The only memorabilia I have though, is a guitar pick from White Lion's Vito Bratta which I caught at a concert. It was the tour for Mane attraction with Mr. Big as co-headliner. Cool concert. Oh, and I have the CD booklet of Tesla's Psychotic Supper signed by the whole band.
Zakk Wylde on that cover looks more like a young Bon Jovi than JBJ himself.
Can't comment much on Dio, as I never got around to really listen to his albums, I only know the hits.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 22, 2014, 12:56:47 PM
Did someone say Dio?

June 18, 1986
Providence Civic Center

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Dio3.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Dio3.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Dio2.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Dio2.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Dio1.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Dio1.jpg.html)

Oh, and Accept opened!
(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Accept1.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Accept1.jpg.html)

How about starting this thread with a  discussion on a man who unfortunately doesn't get mentioned much around DTF; the mighty Ronnie James Dio! What is everyone's top five Dio fronted albums?

Mine

1) Heaven & Hell 2) Holy Diver 3) Last in Line 4) Mob Rules 5) Rising

Awesome idea!!

For me:
1. Holy Diver
2. Heaven And Hell
3. Rainbow On Stage
4. The Last In Line
5. Heaven And Hell :Neon Knights Live Over Europe

Brent, Lock Up the Wolves is awesome. Wish he would've kept Rown around for a few albums. The Traci G years were a waste. Strange Highways is OK I guess but Angry Machines is his worst album.

I always thought vocally that Dio's best album was Mob Rules followed by Holy Diver. That was his peak/prime if you ask me.
But I do have a soft spot for the first Rainbow album. Love that young Ronnie voice.

I actually have a Top 30 Dio songs ranked on my computer. Gotta find it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on September 22, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
DIO is the voice of Metal for me  :metal

1 Rainbow - Rising

2 DIO - The Last In Line
3 Rainbow - Long Live Rock n Roll
4 Black Sabbath - Heaven & Hell
5 DIO - Dream Evil

And I just don't get the love for Lock Up The Wolves. Poor album for me.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 22, 2014, 01:04:56 PM
And I just don't get the love for Lock Up The Wolves. Poor album for me.
You know when they say that Lowdz is right 99% of the time? Well, here's the other 1%!
 ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on September 22, 2014, 01:36:12 PM
And I just don't get the love for Lock Up The Wolves. Poor album for me.
You know when they say that Lowdz is right 99% of the time? Well, here's the other 1%!
 ;D

That's not a bad record to have  though - unlike Lock Up The Wolves  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on September 22, 2014, 02:59:23 PM
I'm not much into memorabilia, but I am into classic metal and hard rock.  :metal

Top 5 Dio albums, that's tough;

1. Sacred Heart
2. Holy Diver
3. Magica
4. Last In Line
5. Lock Up the Wolves or Maybe Killing the Dragon
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on September 22, 2014, 04:39:25 PM
Great concert pics Tim!  What row were you in? That would have been a great show
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on September 22, 2014, 07:28:11 PM


1. Sacred Heart


I reckon that album is under-rated - I actually rate it higher than Holy Diver on my % ratings due to less filler but I gave Holy Diver a higher position for "intangibles"  ;D


Brent, Lock Up the Wolves is awesome. Wish he would've kept Rown around for a few albums.

Great photos man - and I totally agree re Rowan.   I was blown away by his playing on this album , especially given his age.  It was a damn shame he just faded away.    I'm not a huge fan of the Sabbathy plodders on that album but stuff like Walk On Water , Hey Angel, Wild One and Why Are They Watching Me are right up there with my favourite Dio songs.


When I was playing the one my band really enjoyed playing was this.........(good DVD this with Doug - fairly low budget but good nonetheless)   Note the JP/Boston style editing stuff up at the end of the solo :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjJmTKLzMc
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on September 23, 2014, 04:55:56 AM
Sacred Heart is very underrated IMO, it's brilliant.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on September 23, 2014, 05:54:40 AM
Sacred Heart is very underrated IMO, it's brilliant.

agreed.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
I'll say this, Sacred Heart has aged quite well. But I clearly remember the disappoinent when it came out. It was a definite step back.
Saw both legs of the tour. The first with Vivian and then with Craig Goldie. Rough Cutt opened in '85 and the the mighty Accept opened in '86.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on September 23, 2014, 11:01:54 AM
Sacred Heart is very underrated IMO, it's brilliant.

agreed.
I agree with this. A couple of less stellar tracks but they aren't bad enough to bring the album down. Dream Evil is even better though  I never liked the guitar sound nor rated Craig Goldy.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
(https://www.ioffer.com/img/item/174/871/689/kH7QesaiOs3Trl4.jpg)(https://cdn-5.create.net/siteimages/5/5/8/55872/24/1/6/2416218/241x313.jpg)
(https://www.vinylvendors.com/Pictures/d/i/dio463696.jpg)

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: kingshmegland on September 23, 2014, 03:52:15 PM
Man I lived of Kerrang as a teen.  So much better than Circus and Hit Parader that had the same pics and the same quotes.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on September 23, 2014, 04:28:09 PM
Man I lived of Kerrang as a teen.  So much better than Circus and Hit Parader that had the same pics and the same quotes.

Bought Kerrang from the first Gene Simmons fronted issue until they abandoned the music that made them and embraced Grunge - and they gave Def Leppard so much stick for "going American". Hypocrits.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on September 23, 2014, 09:09:46 PM
The only Dio album that I could never fully get into was "Angry Machines". I still listen to it once in awhile, but it would be my least played album from him.

Also have to say that one of his catchiest and most underrated gems has to be " Lady of the Lake" from Rainbow. Love that song and could listen to it on loop
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2014, 05:14:02 AM
Master of the Moon was the only one that I didn't really dig.  I should get it out and have another listen though.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2014, 05:19:21 AM
1. Holy Diver
2. Last In Line
3a. Lock Up The Wolves
3b. Dream Evil
3c. Sacred Heart
6. Magica
7. Strange Highways
8. Killing The Dragon
9. Master Of The Moon
10. Angry Machines
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2014, 05:33:37 AM
1. Holy Diver
2. Last In Line
3a. Lock Up The Wolves
3b. Dream Evil
3c. Sacred Heart
6. Imagica
7. Strange Highways
8. Killing The Dragons
9. Master Of The Moon
10. Angry Machines

Don't know that one.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2014, 06:01:46 AM
Fixed!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on September 24, 2014, 06:12:09 AM
There's no mention of a vocalist on the Aussie Malmsteen tour - please don't tell me he's going to attempt it himself?  ::)

Either way - couldn't be stuffed going to see him widdle diddle all over the top of the remnants of songs these days.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2014, 06:28:28 AM
Last In Line tour stub

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Dio8-20-84_zps17c25d15.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Dio8-20-84_zps17c25d15.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2014, 07:13:34 AM
New AC/DC album on Novenber 28th.
Malcolm Young has OFFICIALY retired.
https://bravewords.com/news/ac-dc-to-release-rock-or-bust-on-november-28th-malcolm-young-officially-retires-from-band
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2014, 07:17:39 AM
Fixed!

You might want to fix up Killing the Dragon while you're at it. :P
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2014, 07:35:19 AM
Fixed!

You might want to fix up Killing the Dragon while you're at it. :P
Damn it was a rough morning. Freaking iPhone!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 24, 2014, 08:10:42 AM
New AC/DC album on Novenber 28th.
Malcolm Young has OFFICIALY retired.
https://bravewords.com/news/ac-dc-to-release-rock-or-bust-on-november-28th-malcolm-young-officially-retires-from-band

Sad for Malcolm and I always thought that they would call it a day if one of the core members (meaning Angus, Malcolm or Brian) retires. And I'm not sure if I'm really excited about a new AC/DC.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2014, 08:15:21 AM
I'll give it a listen. Black Ice was pretty good, but at 15 tracks it was way too long with too much filler. I'd say it's 8 songs deep, which was easily twice what Stiff Upper Lip and Ballbreaker were. And The Razor's Edge for that matter.
 
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 24, 2014, 08:40:05 AM
The Razor's Edge was the last album I really enjoyed, though there are some filler tracks. Stiff Upper Lip and Ballbreaker were merely decent and I must confess I haven't listened to Black Ice. I really like AC/DC but because everything sounds similar I don't need to have the whole discography. That said, I will surely give the new one a listen.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on September 24, 2014, 01:58:40 PM
There's no mention of a vocalist on the Aussie Malmsteen tour - please don't tell me he's going to attempt it himself?  ::)

Either way - couldn't be stuffed going to see him widdle diddle all over the top of the remnants of songs these days.

I think that's been the way of it recently. Mainly instrumental with Yngwie murdering some vocals. Truly sad. To become that great he must have had discipline but there has been no discipline in his playing or recording for decades now.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on September 24, 2014, 02:55:40 PM
Ronnie Munroe leaves Metal Church
https://bravewords.com/news/ronny-munroe-leaves-metal-church-to-pursue-other-interests
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2014, 04:16:04 PM
There's no mention of a vocalist on the Aussie Malmsteen tour - please don't tell me he's going to attempt it himself?  ::)

Either way - couldn't be stuffed going to see him widdle diddle all over the top of the remnants of songs these days.

I think that's been the way of it recently. Mainly instrumental with Yngwie murdering some vocals. Truly sad. To become that great he must have had discipline but there has been no discipline in his playing or recording for decades now.

It's the keyboardist that does most of the vocals since Ripper left/fired.  I won't bother this time.

Although looking at a setlist from earlier in the year, it's a pretty decent set by Yngwie standards these days;


Rising Force
Spellbound
Razor Eater
Evil Eye
Ouverture / From a Thousand Cuts / Arpeggios from Hell
Seventh Sign
Badinere / Adagio / Far Beyond the Sun
Anthem
Acoustic Paraphrase
Dreaming (Tell Me) / Into Valhalla
Baroque & Roll
Cherokee Warrior
(chorus, verse, chorus x2, end)
Trilogy Suite Op: 5 / GTR Solo / Blues
Drum Solo / Heaven Tonight
Black Star
I'll See the Light Tonight
Accapella Verse
Smash
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 24, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
I'd like to know the story behind Ripper leaving.  I wonder if he quit or was fired.  Either way, I didn't think that Yngwie and Ripper were that great of a match; something seemed a bit off.

I'm with Kwyjibo, Razors Edge was the last ACDC album that I really liked.  Not likely to get this new one.  For me, my interest in ACDC is 80% Bon Scott era.  Let there Be Rock the movie is awesome/hilarious.

I wonder if Mike Howe would be available/able to make a return to Metal Church?
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Post by: bl5150 on September 24, 2014, 06:19:50 PM

I wonder if Mike Howe would be available/able to make a return to Metal Church?

The material since Howe left has been decent at best , but that would really get my interest.  Whether the voice is still there after all this time , who knows? 
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Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2014, 07:58:41 PM
I've never followed Metal Church that closely, but the few album I have are really good.

I'd like to know the story behind Ripper leaving.  I wonder if he quit or was fired.  Either way, I didn't think that Yngwie and Ripper were that great of a match; something seemed a bit off.

I think Malmsteen just stopped calling Tim.
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Post by: TAC on September 25, 2014, 05:18:09 AM
I'd like to know the story behind Ripper leaving.  I wonder if he quit or was fired.  Either way, I didn't think that Yngwie and Ripper were that great of a match; something seemed a bit off.

I'm with Kwyjibo, Razors Edge was the last ACDC album that I really liked.  Not likely to get this new one.  For me, my interest in ACDC is 80% Bon Scott era.  Let there Be Rock the movie is awesome/hilarious.

I wonder if Mike Howe would be available/able to make a return to Metal Church?

I thought Perpetual Flame was awesome.

The last AC/DC album that I really liked was Blow Up Your Video. Criminaklly underrated. I never really liked Razor's Edge. I'd take Black Ice any day over it.

Mike Howe..did he do anything after Metal Church. Those 3 albums are great. I onlygot one Munroe era album, This present Wasteland. made a blind buy og it. Listened to it once or maybe twice.
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Post by: wolfking on September 25, 2014, 05:30:36 AM
I thought Perpetual Flame was awesome.

Same.  It's actually one I like to go back to quite regulary when it comes to Yngwie.  Relentless would have been a lot better if he got Ripper in the studio and did some more vocal songs.  Instrumental Yngwie just doesn't really do it for me these days, not that many songs anyway.
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Post by: Bolsters on September 25, 2014, 06:15:18 AM
The last AC/DC album that I really liked was Blow Up Your Video. Criminaklly underrated. I never really liked Razor's Edge. I'd take Black Ice any day over it.
Never liked Blow Up Your Video, but I agree with you about Razor's Edge. Besides just a few really good songs, the rest is pure filler.

I've always liked Ballbreaker, though. I think that one's pretty underrated.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 25, 2014, 06:38:34 AM
Perpetual Flame is an awesome album.  "Red Devil" is such a catchy song.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 25, 2014, 04:37:51 PM
Perpetual Flame is an awesome album.  "Red Devil" is such a catchy song.

Apart from the odd song here and there nothing Yngwie has done since Facing The Animal has done anything for me. Haven't even bought the last 4-5.
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Post by: TAC on September 26, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
Can't link from my phone but it's being reported that Malcom Young's "illness" is that he's suffering from dementia. At only 61 that is very sad. He's in full time health care.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 26, 2014, 12:41:53 PM
Terrible news
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Post by: Lowdz on September 26, 2014, 01:27:16 PM
Can't link from my phone but it's being reported that Malcom Young's "illness" is that he's suffering from dementia. At only 61 that is very sad. He's in full time health care.

I work with people with dementia. 61 is young but certainly not unique. Youngest person with a dementia I've nursed was 36.

I'm guessing that he was a drinker and that can lead to certain types of dementia.

It certainly does suck. Awful disease.

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Post by: jjrock88 on September 26, 2014, 01:31:33 PM
Lowdz, I'm sure it can't be completely cured but can it be stabilized?
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Post by: Lowdz on September 26, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Lowdz, I'm sure it can't be completely cured but can it be stabilized?

There are some medications for Alzheimer's but that's only one of the dementias. And yes they can slow the rate of deterioration in some people. No cure as yet. Hopefully there won't be one until I get to retire  :biggrin:
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Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
That's terrible news.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 01, 2014, 11:26:24 PM
I'm very late to the party I know but I just got through my first listen to Redeemer of Souls and I'm not sure where it sits just yet.  Based on songs alone I think it's good enough to squeeze into my top few Priest albums but the rhythm guitar sound is that muddy that it strips away a lot of the edge that the songs otherwise might have had.

Until I can unpack a few other items I'll stick with a topical mag cover (May 1985 .............must've just about been my first music mag ) - check out the names on that thing  :metal  Pick the odd one out (yes he did rock a little at one point )  :D

(https://s18.postimg.org/j6j1sn0t5/priest.jpg)
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 01, 2014, 11:30:43 PM
Michael Bolton! :metal

That Hagar centerfold sounds pretty damn sexy too.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 01, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
(https://read.mtvhive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Hagar-Trans-Am630x300.jpg)

That's not the one , but thought you might like it Blob  ;D
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 01, 2014, 11:37:19 PM
:zydar: Needs more noodle hair.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on October 02, 2014, 12:18:46 AM
You just gotta love those haircuts  :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 02, 2014, 08:28:42 AM
How the hell is Michael Bolton's name on Hit Parader??

Brent, I'm on pins and needles!  Who won between Judas Priest and Iron Maiden?  Who rules Heavy Metal?
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Post by: bl5150 on October 02, 2014, 08:40:10 AM
How the hell is Michael Bolton's name on Hit Parader??

Brent, I'm on pins and needles!  Who won between Judas Priest and Iron Maiden?  Who rules Heavy Metal?

Unfortunately JJ it was one of those articles that goes through the arguments but doesn't really give a definitive winner - IMHO they were more positive towards Maiden.

As far as Michael Bolton goes he did rock a bit in a band called Blackjack prior to his crappy pop stuff and he basically disowns his rock stuff , so you'd never know unless you have it /know of it already.   He also had a couple of solo albums which I'd class as melodic rock - Everybody's Crazy (also 1985)  is considered a bit of a (lite) melodic rock classic and features Bruce Kulick on guitar which is perhaps the connection that got him into Hit Parader

Save Our Love :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLBcjWmDO0

Too pissweak for you JJ but Kulick does okay on the guitars
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Post by: TAC on October 03, 2014, 01:56:15 PM
How the hell is Michael Bolton's name on Hit Parader??

Brent, I'm on pins and needles!  Who won between Judas Priest and Iron Maiden?  Who rules Heavy Metal?
:lol

also
Ratt: Speak Out..

..about what??
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 03, 2014, 02:14:07 PM
I've never heard of the band "The Firm"; they are listed with big company on the cover.  Anyone heard of them?
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Post by: Lowdz on October 03, 2014, 04:01:34 PM
I've never heard of the band "The Firm"; they are listed with big company on the cover.  Anyone heard of them?

I guess it would be the Jimmy Page and paul Rodgers band. They weren't great.
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Post by: wolfking on October 03, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
How the hell is Michael Bolton's name on Hit Parader??

Brent, I'm on pins and needles!  Who won between Judas Priest and Iron Maiden?  Who rules Heavy Metal?

His early stuff is decent enough.  Wouldn't be up your alley though.
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 03, 2014, 09:30:50 PM
How the hell is Michael Bolton's name on Hit Parader??

Brent, I'm on pins and needles!  Who won between Judas Priest and Iron Maiden?  Who rules Heavy Metal?

His early stuff is decent enough.  Wouldn't be up your alley though.

Yeah I checked out the link that Brent shared.  Song was turned off 15 seconds in.
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Post by: TAC on October 06, 2014, 01:20:32 PM
Released 35 years ago yesterday

(https://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/6d/fa/1372542313_5376_Riot.jpg?itok=ZLRRBGw0)

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: Lowdz on October 06, 2014, 01:26:30 PM
Released 35 years ago yesterday

(https://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/6d/fa/1372542313_5376_Riot.jpg?itok=ZLRRBGw0)

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

What the hell were they smoking when they came up with that cover?  :biggrin:
Great album though.
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Post by: TAC on October 06, 2014, 01:32:36 PM
I bought Narita the same day I bought Piece Of Mind. Major haul!! :metal
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Post by: TAC on October 06, 2014, 02:57:47 PM
Tim, go check some of The Lord stuff. Great material.  I think it's on Grooveshark.
I ordered Digital Lies today. Holy Shiite!

And that's not even their best. Give Set in Stone a spin.  Top 50 (v2) worthy over here.

Fuck yeah to all of this.  Digital Lies was amazing but I agree with Chad that Set in Stone tops it.  Ascendance has some really great songs too and is worth a listen.  All the Dungeon stuff IMO is worth it, I can't wait for my boxset.

Digital Lies shipped today. Should have it this week. Will get Set In Stone next then.

I checked the link to the Dungeon stuff. $80?? Yikes.
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 06, 2014, 02:58:37 PM
Riot's a great band.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people passed on the band based on their album covers.

The album Fire Down Under is major kick ass and my favorite from the band.
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Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2014, 03:54:16 PM
Tim, go check some of The Lord stuff. Great material.  I think it's on Grooveshark.
I ordered Digital Lies today. Holy Shiite!

And that's not even their best. Give Set in Stone a spin.  Top 50 (v2) worthy over here.

Fuck yeah to all of this.  Digital Lies was amazing but I agree with Chad that Set in Stone tops it.  Ascendance has some really great songs too and is worth a listen.  All the Dungeon stuff IMO is worth it, I can't wait for my boxset.

Digital Lies shipped today. Should have it this week. Will get Set In Stone next then.

I checked the link to the Dungeon stuff. $80?? Yikes.

yeah, it's a little pricey, but for the content, I have no problem with the cost.  You'll love Set in Stone.

Riot's a great band.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people passed on the band based on their album covers.

The album Fire Down Under is major kick ass and my favorite from the band.

I only know a couple of albums by Riot, but Fire Down Under is indeed amazing.
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Post by: TAC on October 06, 2014, 04:01:32 PM
$80 was about twice what I was expecting. Hopefully it'll show up on Amazon or something.

Looking forward to discovering Lord. Man the samples sounded incredible.
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Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
Don't know if it will be released outside as it says it's strictly limited to 500 copies.  As I said though, it would be cool if they release each disc seperately. 
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Post by: TAC on October 06, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
Looks like a hell of a package coming from Saxon:
https://bravewords.com/news/saxon-warriors-of-the-road-the-saxon-chronicles-part-ii-dvd-cd-set-due-in-november-world-tour-teaser-videos-streaming
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Post by: bl5150 on October 06, 2014, 06:36:23 PM
Riot's a great band. 

Definitely under rated and I also like a lot of the stuff Reale did with Westworld.   They have some albums I love and some albums (+ covers :D) that I'm not too hot on , but overall ...... :tup
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 06, 2014, 06:50:51 PM
Looks like a hell of a package coming from Saxon:
https://bravewords.com/news/saxon-warriors-of-the-road-the-saxon-chronicles-part-ii-dvd-cd-set-due-in-november-world-tour-teaser-videos-streaming

looks awesome!!
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Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Looks like a hell of a package coming from Saxon:
https://bravewords.com/news/saxon-warriors-of-the-road-the-saxon-chronicles-part-ii-dvd-cd-set-due-in-november-world-tour-teaser-videos-streaming

Wow, this is a must buy.
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Post by: Lowdz on October 07, 2014, 11:55:36 AM
Looks like a hell of a package coming from Saxon:
https://bravewords.com/news/saxon-warriors-of-the-road-the-saxon-chronicles-part-ii-dvd-cd-set-due-in-november-world-tour-teaser-videos-streaming

Wow, this is a must buy.

Sounds good.
Looks like i may have to go and see them at Manchester too.
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Post by: TAC on October 07, 2014, 03:48:40 PM
New AC/DC track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIE8F_OL_Ds

No surprises there. :lol
Actually reminds me of the latter Bon Scott era. The guitar tones just feel a little warmer.
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 07, 2014, 05:24:46 PM
ACDC by the numbers
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Post by: bl5150 on October 07, 2014, 05:32:09 PM
I would expect nothing less  :D
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Post by: TAC on October 07, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
ACDC by the numbers
ACDC is all letters tho. ;D
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2014, 06:29:00 PM
ACDC by the numbers

I'd be pissed off if we got anything else from them! "It it ain't broke, don't fix it" :lol

Song sounds decent. It's AC/DC being AC/DC.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 07, 2014, 09:53:59 PM
Wow... how did 3 pages slip by me.  Have been busy as shit at work I guess.  Well, nothing really to add, just posting so this shows up in my 'feed'.
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 08, 2014, 12:14:38 AM
Chad, I was wondering when you were going to show up lol
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Post by: gazinwales on October 08, 2014, 03:29:16 AM
How the hell is Michael Bolton's name on Hit Parader??

Brent, I'm on pins and needles!  Who won between Judas Priest and Iron Maiden?  Who rules Heavy Metal?

Unfortunately JJ it was one of those articles that goes through the arguments but doesn't really give a definitive winner - IMHO they were more positive towards Maiden.

As far as Michael Bolton goes he did rock a bit in a band called Blackjack prior to his crappy pop stuff and he basically disowns his rock stuff , so you'd never know unless you have it /know of it already.   He also had a couple of solo albums which I'd class as melodic rock - Everybody's Crazy (also 1985)  is considered a bit of a (lite) melodic rock classic and features Bruce Kulick on guitar which is perhaps the connection that got him into Hit Parader

Save Our Love :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLBcjWmDO0

Too pissweak for you JJ but Kulick does okay on the guitars

Yeah his first 2 solo albums are considered by many to be AOR/melodic rock classics, I am one of those.
He was also a pretty decent guitarist back in those days too.
A real shame that he has disowned them, but I guess he has found his sound and market.
this is a real fave of mine :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NukzQZM-1Qk
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Post by: TAC on October 09, 2014, 07:48:28 AM
Listening to Lord's Digital Lies. Wow, this album is fu#king awesome!
The Last Encore  :metal

How have I never come across this band before?
This band is right in the TAC wheelhouse.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 09, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
I'ma gonna have to go back and have a listen.  While I enjoyed it, I was a little disappointed in it relative to Set in Stone and Ascendance.
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Post by: wolfking on October 09, 2014, 02:52:34 PM
Listening to Lord's Digital Lies. Wow, this album is fu#king awesome!
The Last Encore  :metal

How have I never come across this band before?
This band is right in the TAC wheelhouse.

The Last Encore is definitely the best song on the album.  Other highlights are the title track, Battle and of course Prophet.
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Post by: Lowdz on October 09, 2014, 03:55:44 PM
Listening to Lord's Digital Lies. Wow, this album is fu#king awesome!
The Last Encore  :metal

How have I never come across this band before?
This band is right in the TAC wheelhouse.

The Last Encore is definitely the best song on the album.  Other highlights are the title track, Battle and of course Prophet.

Wow. Just wow. Great album.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 12, 2014, 08:03:30 AM
I'll keep a few of the knick knacks /mags coming..........

This barely sneaks in as hard rock but one of the few interesting non VH items in my collection is this Europe OOTW vinyl.  I have little in the way of vinyl relatively speaking (I grew up in the era of cassettes  :tdwn ) - I picked this up for a couple of bucks "as new" in a used store in the late 80's and have since seen it go for some decent bucks ($150 or so)

It's a radio station promo issued at the Epic world premiere weekend for the album , which as you can imagine was pretty big after The Final Countdown.  It comes in a gatefold double LP and  contains the regular tracks separated with "instrumental beds" from the album and includes some interviews/comments from the band.

I don't have a turntable at the moment so couldn't listen if I wanted to.

(https://s.pixogs.com/image/R-4228220-1361314970-3610.jpeg)

(https://s.pixogs.com/image/R-4228220-1361314983-5857.jpeg)
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Post by: Lowdz on October 12, 2014, 08:33:01 AM
I'll keep a few of the knick knacks /mags coming..........

This barely sneaks in as hard rock but one of the few interesting non VH items in my collection is this Europe OOTW vinyl.  I have little in the way of vinyl relatively speaking (I grew up in the era of cassettes  :tdwn ) - I picked this up for a couple of bucks "as new" in a used store in the late 80's and have since seen it go for some decent bucks ($150 or so)

It's a radio station promo issued at the Epic world premiere weekend for the album , which as you can imagine was pretty big after The Final Countdown.  It comes in a gatefold double LP and  contains the regular tracks separated with "instrumental beds" from the album and includes some interviews/comments from the band.

I don't have a turntable at the moment so couldn't listen if I wanted to.

(https://s.pixogs.com/image/R-4228220-1361314970-3610.jpeg)

(https://s.pixogs.com/image/R-4228220-1361314983-5857.jpeg)

Canb't see the pics for some reason but sounds interesting. I have OOTW on red vinyl from back on release. I haven't owned a turntable for 20 years or so.
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Post by: TAC on October 12, 2014, 01:29:17 PM
I saw Europe on the Final Countdown tour.
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Post by: Lowdz on October 12, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
I saw Europe on the Final Countdown tour.

And it was so overwhelming that you couldn't wait to tell us all about it  :lol
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Post by: TAC on October 12, 2014, 01:34:30 PM
I saw Europe on the Final Countdown tour.

And it was so overwhelming that you couldn't wait to tell us all about it  :lol

Yup, been holding that secret for 26 years!

It was actually cool seeing them. Opened for Def Leppard. I kinda enjoyed that album. It was so damn popular at the time.
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 12, 2014, 03:29:25 PM
The album "wings of tommorow" by Europe is a very good release; pretty heavy too. The Final Countdown is getting pretty sappy, but still good.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 12, 2014, 07:51:26 PM
The album "wings of tommorow" by Europe is a very good release; pretty heavy too. The Final Countdown is getting pretty sappy, but still good.

PoP for the win!

Their 2000s stuff was surprisingly good too.  I still have never heard Wings of Tomorrow.  Gotta fix that.
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Post by: Lowdz on October 13, 2014, 03:45:01 PM
The album "wings of tommorow" by Europe is a very good release; pretty heavy too. The Final Countdown is getting pretty sappy, but still good.

PoP for the win!

Their 2000s stuff was surprisingly good too.  I still have never heard Wings of Tomorrow.  Gotta fix that.

I agree with my Cannuck friend. PoP is their best - made my top 50. Wings Of Tomorrow is very good too.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 13, 2014, 05:17:16 PM
Did someone say Dio?

June 18, 1986
Providence Civic Center

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Dio3.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Dio3.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Dio2.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Dio2.jpg.html)

(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Dio1.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Dio1.jpg.html)

Oh, and Accept opened!
(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/Accept1.jpg) (https://s195.photobucket.com/user/TACPics/media/Accept1.jpg.html)

How about starting this thread with a  discussion on a man who unfortunately doesn't get mentioned much around DTF; the mighty Ronnie James Dio! What is everyone's top five Dio fronted albums?

Mine

1) Heaven & Hell 2) Holy Diver 3) Last in Line 4) Mob Rules 5) Rising

Awesome idea!!

For me:
1. Holy Diver
2. Heaven And Hell
3. Rainbow On Stage
4. The Last In Line
5. Heaven And Hell :Neon Knights Live Over Europe

Brent, Lock Up the Wolves is awesome. Wish he would've kept Rown around for a few albums. The Traci G years were a waste. Strange Highways is OK I guess but Angry Machines is his worst album.

I always thought vocally that Dio's best album was Mob Rules followed by Holy Diver. That was his peak/prime if you ask me.
But I do have a soft spot for the first Rainbow album. Love that young Ronnie voice.

I actually have a Top 30 Dio songs ranked on my computer. Gotta find it.

Wow, I think I just got a contact high from looking at those pics, Tim.  :lol

Can't remember if I've ever posted it on this forum, but this thread seems like the appropriate place...  First concert ever:  Kick Axe on the Vices tour, opening for Whitesnake on the Slide It In tour, opening for the headliner, Quiet Riot on the Condition Critical tour at the Oakland Coliseum.  According to SetlistFM, this show was on September 22, 1984.  That sounds about right.

No set list available for Quiet Riot, but Whitesnake's looks pretty good:  https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/whitesnake/1984/oakland-alameda-county-coliseum-arena-oakland-ca-2bd08402.html

I remember they put on a great show, but I did not really know their songs at the time, so I cannot say if that is accurate (other than the songs from Slide It In, which I do recall). 

No set list available for Kick Axe either, but I believe they may have played Heavy Metal Shuffle, Vices, Dreamin' About You, and Alive and Kickin', among others.
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 13, 2014, 05:23:55 PM
It's always interesting looking back and seeing which band opened for another.  Whitesnake opening for Quiet Riot sounds very out of place now. I remember reading Bon Jovi opened for Ratt in the early 80s as well as Metallica opening for Metal Church. Tons of examples I'm sure where the opening band went onto much greater success than their headliners.
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Post by: TAC on October 13, 2014, 05:26:14 PM


Wow, I think I just got a contact high from looking at those pics, Tim.  :lol

Can't remember if I've ever posted it on this forum, but this thread seems like the appropriate place...  First concert ever:  Kick Axe on the Vices tour, opening for Whitesnake on the Slide It In tour, opening for the headliner, Quiet Riot on the Condition Critical tour at the Oakland Coliseum.  According to SetlistFM, this show was on September 22, 1984.  That sounds about right.

No set list available for Quiet Riot, but Whitesnake's looks pretty good:  https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/whitesnake/1984/oakland-alameda-county-coliseum-arena-oakland-ca-2bd08402.html

I remember they put on a great show, but I did not really know their songs at the time, so I cannot say if that is accurate (other than the songs from Slide It In, which I do recall). 

No set list available for Kick Axe either, but I believe they may have played Heavy Metal Shuffle, Vices, Dreamin' About You, and Alive and Kickin', among others.

 :lol

You've mentioned to me about that show. That was a great lineup.
That was the day I turned 16.

My first show:
Def Leppard
Krokus
Gary Moore

June 25, 1983
Cape Cod Coliseum

I remember reading Bon Jovi opened for Ratt in the early 80s as 
I remember the Ratt/Bon Jovi tour. I didn;t go. Hated Ratt. Saw Bon Jovi on June 9th, 1984 open for Scorpions though. they were awesome!
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Post by: bosk1 on October 13, 2014, 05:27:19 PM
It's always interesting looking back and seeing which band opened for another.  Whitesnake opening for Quiet Riot sounds very out of place now.

Really?  I thought they actually matched up pretty well in terms of the style of music, fans, general attitude, etc. 

In doing a quick Google search (I was actually looking for something else), I accidentally found an old forum post of MINE that reveals that I guess I actually DID post about that show before:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19986.80;imode
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 13, 2014, 05:44:44 PM
I wasn't referring to the music match up, they would be a good match. I was just saying that in retrospect Whitesnake is a much bigger act and today, it would seem out of place that they would have opened up for Quiet Riot.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 13, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
Oh, I see.  Yeah, that's true.  But at the time, QR were burning up the charts, and Whitesnake was just barely becoming known in the U.S. 
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 13, 2014, 06:13:35 PM
I remember watchng a behind the music on Quiet Riot. They sure didn't do themselves any favours, especially Kevin, with the egos. Kevin pretty much bashed all other bands and it got to the point that nobody wanted anything to do with them. They had a damn good short stretch of success though!
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Post by: bl5150 on October 13, 2014, 07:09:30 PM
They had a damn good short stretch of success though!

Singing Slade songs yeah  ;D

Another interesting thought (along with support bands etc...) can be what bands would've sounded like with guitarists that were on board early in the piece but left   ( Randy Rhoads in Quiet Riot ,  Jake E Lee in Ratt  or even George Lynch with Ozzy..........he as good as had the gig for Bark At The Moon after Randy died but it didn't happen obviously)
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Post by: TAC on October 17, 2014, 12:50:38 PM
Original Dio band signs with Frontiers.
My question is who the hell is Andrew Freeman?
https://bravewords.com/news/last-in-line-featuring-former-dio-members-sign-with-frontiers
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 17, 2014, 03:20:24 PM
That's interesting. I wonder if they are just going to focus on new material or rerecord Dio tracks.
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Post by: wolfking on October 17, 2014, 04:56:04 PM
That's interesting. I wonder if they are just going to focus on new material or rerecord Dio tracks.

I really hope it's just new material.  Has potential.

Original Dio band signs with Frontiers.
My question is who the hell is Andrew Freeman?
https://bravewords.com/news/last-in-line-featuring-former-dio-members-sign-with-frontiers

Yeah, no idea who he is.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 17, 2014, 07:06:36 PM
I assume it's going to be new material, and that the name is simply for recognition, like "Heaven and Hell".
No idea who the vocalist is, but given the rest of the band, I'm very curious to hear what comes from this.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on October 18, 2014, 07:44:51 AM
If memory serves Freeman sang with "Hurricane" (Hurricane = Hansen as far as I'm concerned)  in recent years and has also toured with Lynch.  I imagine there might be some live stuff from Hurricane in recent years on Youtube?
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Post by: Lowdz on October 18, 2014, 08:08:15 AM
If memory serves Freeman sang with "Hurricane" (Hurricane = Hansen as far as I'm concerned)  in recent years and has also toured with Lynch.  I imagine there might be some live stuff from Hurricane in recent years on Youtube?

That's right. He's been doing the Raiding The Rock Vault thing in Vegas too. He's no DIO, but then who is?
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Post by: bl5150 on October 22, 2014, 09:21:55 AM
Time for another little bit of time travel - this little gem has a story on just about any rock/metal band of significance in the 80's.  As per usual a cool trip down memory lane.   The centrefold in this one might be of more interest Blob  ;)

(https://www.vinylvendors.com/Pictures/m/o/motleycrue352863.jpg)



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Post by: bosk1 on October 22, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
Along those lines, I have to give a plug for 1989 as "year of the supergroups."  If memory serves, we had debut albums from a bunch that year (or, in the case of Slaughter, I think they formed in '89 and released their album in early '90), including:

Badlands
Blue Murder
Mr. Big
Slaughter
Damn Yankees

Am I missing any?
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Post by: TAC on October 22, 2014, 09:45:46 AM
Ahh, the Hit Parader yearbook. Where they basically reprint an article from as many bands as possible that they wrote about that year. I will say that the Hit Parader Yearbook of 1981 basically became my bible.

Along those lines, I have to give a plug for 1989 as "year of the supergroups."  If memory serves, we had debut albums from a bunch that year (or, in the case of Slaughter, I think they formed in '89 and released their album in early '90), including:

Badlands
Blue Murder
Mr. Big
Slaughter
Damn Yankees

Am I missing any?

And they were all quite disapponting to say the least. Slaughter doesn't belong in that group though.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on October 22, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
Along those lines, I have to give a plug for 1989 as "year of the supergroups."  If memory serves, we had debut albums from a bunch that year (or, in the case of Slaughter, I think they formed in '89 and released their album in early '90), including:

Badlands
Blue Murder
Mr. Big
Slaughter
Damn Yankees

Am I missing any?

Bad English (barely scrapes in as rock I know )
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on October 22, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
Along those lines, I have to give a plug for 1989 as "year of the supergroups."  If memory serves, we had debut albums from a bunch that year (or, in the case of Slaughter, I think they formed in '89 and released their album in early '90), including:

Badlands
Blue Murder
Mr. Big
Slaughter
Damn Yankees

Am I missing any?

And they were all quite disapponting to say the least. Slaughter doesn't belong in that group though.

Wow, you really thought so?  I REALLY liked Badlands and Blue Murder.  Some of the best music to come out of the late '80s if you ask me.  And while I personally didn't care for the other three, I still give them props for putting out some good music and doing well commercially.


Bad English never ended up on my radar for some reason.  I'm not sure if I ever heard anything from their two albums.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 22, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
  I'm not sure if I ever heard anything from their two albums.

You would've heard the ballad When I See You Smile which had saturation coverage - couldn't get away from it. 

Each of the bands you mentioned has material I like but all of them possibly should've been better than they were.
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Post by: TAC on October 22, 2014, 10:07:10 AM

Each of the bands you mentioned has material I like but all of them possibly should've been better than they were.

Possibly? That's the understatement of the year!

Wow, you really thought so?  I REALLY liked Badlands and Blue Murder.  Some of the best music to come out of the late '80s if you ask me.  And while I personally didn't care for the other three, I still give them props for putting out some good music and doing well commercially.

With the exception of Slaughter, I bought the debuts of every band you listed. I was less than impressed and probably liked only a song or two from each.  Now I haven't heard any of them in ages, so I really can't comment on anything specific.

As far as Badlands, to me, Jake E Lee was immortalized on Bark At The Moon, and this was the farthest thing from it.  Same with Blue Murder. I wanted Sykes tearing it up on some upbeat tunes. Both , as far as I remember, were both mid tempo plodders.
Mr. Big, was the biggest waste of talent.
Of the four, I listened to Damn Yankees the most, but in the end, I never blinked when their next album came out.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 22, 2014, 10:16:12 AM
You should check out some of the non-plodder tracks from Badlands and Blue Murder TAC............for example Hard Driver (Badlands) / Black Hearted Woman and Billy (Blue Murder)

Badlands was always intended to be bluesy , laid back rock for the most part though.  I was devastated when Jake changed course as I was obsessed with the guy's playing in Ozzy.

Blue Murder would've been better if Sykes had let someone else in to do vocals - he does a decent job but I think he just took on too much there and the songwriting suffered.  There were demos done with both Ray Gillen and Mark Free - both of which I'd kill to hear.  The 2nd album is absolute shite.   Sykes would have to go down as one of the biggest displays of unfulfilled talent ever.

Damn Yankees were hit and miss - I'm surprised they're your favourite of the bunch as they're the (equal) "poppiest" in my eyes.

Mr Big were a bit the same - I was surprised how little they rocked given the lineup.

I'm actually a fan of a couple of Slaughter's lesser known albums like Fear No Evil and especially The Wild Life.  Some great songs on those - also plenty of filler.

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Post by: jjrock88 on October 22, 2014, 10:26:37 AM
Both Badlands and Blue Murder have some good tracks.  Ray has a great voice and I bought the deluxe version of Sabbaths Seventh Star a couple of years ago and it was interesting hearing Ray sing for Sabbath in a live setting.

Very little interest in the other bands mentioned; Slaughter is just way too chick rock for me.
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Post by: TAC on October 22, 2014, 10:32:36 AM
I agree about Sykes' vocals. They were terrible. An instant turn off.
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Post by: Lowdz on October 22, 2014, 10:35:25 AM
Along those lines, I have to give a plug for 1989 as "year of the supergroups."  If memory serves, we had debut albums from a bunch that year (or, in the case of Slaughter, I think they formed in '89 and released their album in early '90), including:

Badlands
Blue Murder
Mr. Big
Slaughter
Damn Yankees

Am I missing any?

All of those had solid first albums but nothing that great afterwards with the possible exception of Mr B ig who had some good albums and Damn Yankees who's 2nd was very good.
Bad English had a great 1st album with a poor 2nd. And I have a soft spot for BE as the singer (john Waite) is from my town - and we don't have any famous people from these parts!
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Post by: bosk1 on October 22, 2014, 10:35:49 AM
Interestingly, I think both of you unintentionally hit on one of the problems with these types of groups in general:  expectations.  Hearing Sykes in Whitesnake and Jake in Ozzy set up certain expectations for what their future projects would sound like, which is completely understandable, but is also perhaps a bit unfair because it can taint your ability to enjoy the music for what it is.  I distinctly remember that initially happening with both of those bands at the time, despite that I quickly grew to love them both.

When I picked up the Blue Murder album, I hated it on first listen and was about to trade it away to a friend of mine.  I decided to give it one more listen just to make sure, and I picked up on a bunch of stuff the second time through that I had not cared to hear the first time simply because I was expecting a certain kind of sound.

Similar with Badlands.  I was expecting Jake to tear it up like he did on Bark At The Moon.  And when I found out there was a guitar instrumental on the album, I was expecting it to be full of blistering solos, something along the lines of Mr. Scary.  When it was much more blues influenced, I was initially pretty disappointed.  I had to take a step back and adjust expectations.  When I did, I was blown away by how much awesomeness was there.  It was just a different kind of awesomeness than I was expecting.


@Lowdz:  I disagree about Badlands' follow up albums.  I think Voodoo Highway, although a lot less slick and polished, was a BIG step up from the debut.  And Dusk easily topped both of its predecessors.  But the other bands on the list?  Yeah, I agree.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 22, 2014, 10:36:28 AM
Along those lines, I have to give a plug for 1989 as "year of the supergroups."  If memory serves, we had debut albums from a bunch that year (or, in the case of Slaughter, I think they formed in '89 and released their album in early '90), including:

Badlands
Blue Murder
Mr. Big
Slaughter
Damn Yankees

Am I missing any?

All of those had solid first albums but nothing that great afterwards with the possible exception of Mr B ig who had some good albums and Damn Yankees who's 2nd was very good.
Bad English had a great 1st album with a poor 2nd. And I have a soft spot for BE as the singer (john Waite) is from my town - and we don't have any famous people from these parts!

I thought I was the only one who thought Backlash was a big step back - seems to be well liked in the AOR community.

I think there's some good stuff on Voodoo Highway , but also plenty of filler.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on October 22, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
Along those lines, I have to give a plug for 1989 as "year of the supergroups."  If memory serves, we had debut albums from a bunch that year (or, in the case of Slaughter, I think they formed in '89 and released their album in early '90), including:

Badlands
Blue Murder
Mr. Big
Slaughter
Damn Yankees

Am I missing any?

All of those had solid first albums but nothing that great afterwards with the possible exception of Mr B ig who had some good albums and Damn Yankees who's 2nd was very good.
Bad English had a great 1st album with a poor 2nd. And I have a soft spot for BE as the singer (john Waite) is from my town - and we don't have any famous people from these parts!

I thought I was the only one who thought Backlash was a big step back - seems to be well liked in the AOR community.

They are an easy bunch to please. Turn down those rowdy guitars and up the wimpy keys and they're in  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
Interestingly, I think both of you unintentionally hit on one of the problems with these types of groups in general:  expectations.  Hearing Sykes in Whitesnake and Jake in Ozzy set up certain expectations for what their future projects would sound like, which is completely understandable, but is also perhaps a bit unfair because it can taint your ability to enjoy the music for what it is.  I distinctly remember that initially happening with both of those bands at the time, despite that I quickly grew to love them both.

When I picked up the Blue Murder album, I hated it on first listen and was about to trade it away to a friend of mine.  I decided to give it one more listen just to make sure, and I picked up on a bunch of stuff the second time through that I had not cared to hear the first time simply because I was expecting a certain kind of sound.

Similar with Badlands.  I was expecting Jake to tear it up like he did on Bark At The Moon.  And when I found out there was a guitar instrumental on the album, I was expecting it to be full of blistering solos, something along the lines of Mr. Scary.  When it was much more blues influenced, I was initially pretty disappointed.  I had to take a step back and adjust expectations.  When I did, I was blown away by how much awesomeness was there.  It was just a different kind of awesomeness than I was expecting.

Admittedly, that was my problem. I was also a fan of Sykes in the latter days of Thin Lizzy, as Thunder And Lightning is easily the most criminally inderrated album of the early 80's. Anyway, in 1989, I was pretty heavy into thrash/speed, and was listening to a lot of Metallica, Megadeth, and Helloween. that sort of thing. I did no really have any inkling for mid tempo buesy mumbo jumbo, especially after the shock of not having Sykes and Lee playing the kind of music that i was hoping for.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 22, 2014, 01:22:51 PM
On a slightly different note, I always like to give props to rockers from back in the day that still play/sound as good, if not better, than they did back in the '80s.  For example:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFFhlCQS1E
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Post by: TAC on October 22, 2014, 01:28:51 PM
Definitely better.
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Post by: TAC on October 22, 2014, 03:55:09 PM
Speaking of Badlands, looks like Craig Chaisson has joined Jake's Red Dragon Cartel.
https://bravewords.com/news/red-dragon-cartel-jake-e-lee-announces-more-north-american-tour-dates
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on October 22, 2014, 04:28:44 PM
Interestingly, I think both of you unintentionally hit on one of the problems with these types of groups in general:  expectations.  Hearing Sykes in Whitesnake and Jake in Ozzy set up certain expectations for what their future projects would sound like, which is completely understandable, but is also perhaps a bit unfair because it can taint your ability to enjoy the music for what it is.  I distinctly remember that initially happening with both of those bands at the time, despite that I quickly grew to love them both.

When I picked up the Blue Murder album, I hated it on first listen and was about to trade it away to a friend of mine.  I decided to give it one more listen just to make sure, and I picked up on a bunch of stuff the second time through that I had not cared to hear the first time simply because I was expecting a certain kind of sound.

Similar with Badlands.  I was expecting Jake to tear it up like he did on Bark At The Moon.  And when I found out there was a guitar instrumental on the album, I was expecting it to be full of blistering solos, something along the lines of Mr. Scary.  When it was much more blues influenced, I was initially pretty disappointed.  I had to take a step back and adjust expectations.  When I did, I was blown away by how much awesomeness was there.  It was just a different kind of awesomeness than I was expecting.

Admittedly, that was my problem. I was also a fan of Sykes in the latter days of Thin Lizzy, as Thunder And Lightning is easily the most criminally inderrated album of the early 80's. Anyway, in 1989, I was pretty heavy into thrash/speed, and was listening to a lot of Metallica, Megadeth, and Helloween. that sort of thing. I did no really have any inkling for mid tempo buesy mumbo jumbo, especially after the shock of not having Sykes and Lee playing the kind of music that i was hoping for.

Good call on that Thunder & Lightning album being criminally underrated.  What a smoking awesome disc!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: chaossystem on October 22, 2014, 05:28:10 PM
Hey folks- it seems to me that we have a thread for just about every prog metal band of note , there's threads for Power Metal , melodic rock/AOR , Thrash (not active) and a few classic metal bands like Accept, Judas Priest etc..... have their own threads but for the most part there's a big gap when it comes to a general thread/discussion on classic hard rock and metal and uh.........I hope to fill it  ;D    ::)  When I say "classic" hard rock and metal I'm talking about bands both past and present that play rock and metal in a style that was popular from late 70's through early 90's before the epidemic of flannelette flu devastated the music world.  :angel:

Hopefully a few of the fogeys and fogeys-in- waiting who followed my Top 50 will use this thread to help to keep the discussion going here.  So Chad, Kade, Paul, Tim, JJ , King ,Gaz etc......get yo' asses over here and get posting  ;D

So from now on there's no need to chat melodic metal/hard rock and so forth in the AOR thread (as a few of us do) and as far as I'm concerned this thread can encompass everything from hair metal/bluesy hard rock through to the more melodic end of thrash like Megadeth/Metallica .  Some bands have their own threads of course and there's inevitably some crossover between melodic rock/hard rock etc.....   but at least now there can be a place for just general  :metal chat

Seeing as I've started the thread I'll try and take some ownership over keeping things humming and so at least once or twice a month I intend to go back into the archives and post some scans of everything from music magazine covers , rare albums/merchandise , concert photos (TAC posted some goodies in my Top 50)  and memorabilia.  Hopefully we can stir up some good memories.  My memorabilia collection is rather heavily weighted towards Van Halen but I'll do my best - hopefully others can contribute in that regard from time to time and lessen the reliance on me - even if it's just a cool shirt or something. 

I've stumbled up a step ladder earlier today and found a few mags to get me started (back with that in the next day or so once I've done some scans ) . In the meantime here's a nice item of kitchenware I like to serve nibblies in  ;D



(https://s17.postimg.org/5cvfjx4vv/dlr_plate.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5cvfjx4vv/)




PS  Once I opened up the first magazine I have in mind and saw the contents ..OMG  :rollin  - the photos and articles are just so good/funny and bring back so many memories.  I wish I could scan you guys some of the articles and photos within but I don't want any copyright trouble for myself or anyone on DTF and so I'll refrain and stick to covers , funny ads etc....  :sad:   I'll try to make a couple of notes here and there on any points of interest from the articles to help generate some chat.

How would I find your top 50?

What would it be under?

What kind of top 50 list is it?
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on October 22, 2014, 06:10:58 PM
Speaking of Badlands, looks like Craig Chaisson has joined Jake's Red Dragon Cartel.
https://bravewords.com/news/red-dragon-cartel-jake-e-lee-announces-more-north-american-tour-dates

Oh, that's terrific!  I love Chaisson's bass work.  (but FYI, it's Greg, not Craig)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2014, 06:43:44 PM
Speaking of Badlands, looks like Craig Chaisson has joined Jake's Red Dragon Cartel.
https://bravewords.com/news/red-dragon-cartel-jake-e-lee-announces-more-north-american-tour-dates

Oh, that's terrific!  I love Chaisson's bass work.  (but FYI, it's Greg, not Craig)
Yeah, him too!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on October 22, 2014, 06:47:22 PM

How would I find your top 50?

What would it be under?

What kind of top 50 list is it?

See here for links to Top 50 albums lists - mine is second from the bottom under "Recently Completed"

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39282.0
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2014, 04:57:00 AM
Don't get the negativity for Blue Murder mentioned on the last page.  That debut album is freaking amazing IMO.
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Post by: TAC on October 23, 2014, 05:22:53 AM
Don't get the negativity for Blue Murder mentioned on the last page.  That debut album is freaking amazing IMO.
Wolf, I know you've heard a lot of "freaking amaxing" music in your day. But..

I bought Blue Murder when it came out and was extremely let down. I find most of it mid tempo boring rock, and the vocals, while well sung, are so boring to me.If it was filled with tasty rockers like Black hearted Woman, then it would've been a lot better, but I find it tries to be too many things and doesn't succeed at any of them.
I actually added it to my iPod a couple years ago after one of these very same conversations. Just ran through it quickly, but it just doesn't do anything for me.
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Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2014, 05:43:59 AM
Don't get the negativity for Blue Murder mentioned on the last page.  That debut album is freaking amazing IMO.
Wolf, I know you've heard a lot of "freaking amaxing" music in your day. But..

I bought Blue Murder when it came out and was extremely let down. I find most of it mid tempo boring rock, and the vocals, while well sung, are so boring to me.If it was filled with tasty rockers like Black hearted Woman, then it would've been a lot better, but I find it tries to be too many things and doesn't succeed at any of them.
I actually added it to my iPod a couple years ago after one of these very same conversations. Just ran through it quickly, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

Hmm...I sense a bit of sarcasm here.  :lol

But seriously, that's fair enough mate.  I discovered the album a few years ago randomly and loved it.  I guess I had no expectations going into it.  That could be a reason why I enjoyed it so much.
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Post by: TAC on October 23, 2014, 08:46:29 AM
Don't have time to find the Kiss thread, so I thought I'd drop this here.
Paul Stanley on Joe Rogan's pod cast.
https://bravewords.com/news/kiss-frontman-paul-stanley-guests-on-oprah-where-are-they-now-this-sunday

A bit long, but a great listen.
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Post by: Lowdz on October 23, 2014, 02:17:49 PM
Don't get the negativity for Blue Murder mentioned on the last page.  That debut album is freaking amazing IMO.
Wolf, I know you've heard a lot of "freaking amaxing" music in your day. But..

I bought Blue Murder when it came out and was extremely let down. I find most of it mid tempo boring rock, and the vocals, while well sung, are so boring to me.If it was filled with tasty rockers like Black hearted Woman, then it would've been a lot better, but I find it tries to be too many things and doesn't succeed at any of them.
I actually added it to my iPod a couple years ago after one of these very same conversations. Just ran through it quickly, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

Hmm...I sense a bit of sarcasm here.  :lol

But seriously, that's fair enough mate.  I discovered the album a few years ago randomly and loved it.  I guess I had no expectations going into it.  That could be a reason why I enjoyed it so much.

I was very excited for it, expecting Whitesnake's 1987 mk II. It tried to be but didn't quite live up to that. There were some seriously dodgy lyrics - not in the Coverdale fashion either, just lacking in any humour (Sex Child, Black Hearted Woman etc). Most of it is fine though. Valley Of The Kings - I'm a sucker for that metal Egypt sound - Ptolemy, Jellyroll, all hit the spot.
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Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2014, 03:23:38 PM
Valley of the Kings could be my fav on the album, great song.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 23, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
Valley of the Kings could be my fav on the album, great song.

The three tracks I come back to are Billy, Black Hearted Woman and Valley of the Kings.   Outside of those I find it solid but patchy.  And relative to 1987..............disappointing.   

There was actually meant to be a Sykes Portnoy Sheehan band before they moved ahead with Kotzen (Winery Dogs)  ............the guy just cannot get his shit together.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 26, 2014, 09:21:33 AM
Looks like "The King" is in decent form with his band on their current/recent tour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DMOAuCeZ6XA
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Post by: TAC on October 26, 2014, 11:52:23 AM
Such a great band. Andy Laroque is metal's most underrated guitarists. Plus I hear tons of Schenker in Laroque's playing!
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Post by: jjrock88 on October 26, 2014, 03:44:45 PM
King Diamond is one evil dude
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Post by: wolfking on October 27, 2014, 05:17:10 AM
Looks like "The King" is in decent form with his band on their current/recent tour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DMOAuCeZ6XA

The band is solid as fuck.  Especially the leads, they were super clean and precise, especially Andy who can be a bit hit or miss at times with his leads.  The King also as much as I love him has never really been a great live singer, but surprisingly sounds stronger than ever here.  Great stuff.
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Post by: TAC on October 28, 2014, 02:57:19 PM
I didn't even know about this!
https://www.amazon.com/Live-In-84-Back-Deluxe/dp/tracks/B00NO5BVCE/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1

I am all over THIS!! :metal
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 28, 2014, 03:14:57 PM
Not a bad deal for $15.
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Post by: TAC on October 28, 2014, 03:28:41 PM
Didn't even look at the price. John Sykes, Cozy Powell!! :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
And relative to 1987..............disappointing. 

Well, maybe.  But in all fairness, there are few albums from the '80s that actually can hold a candle to 1987, IMO.  I would list it as one of THE defining albums of the '80s.

:justjen:  Hmm...that gives me an interesting thread idea...
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Post by: wolfking on October 28, 2014, 03:43:42 PM
I didn't even know about this!
https://www.amazon.com/Live-In-84-Back-Deluxe/dp/tracks/B00NO5BVCE/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1

I am all over THIS!! :metal

Yeah, read about that a while ago.  Definitely a purchase right there.
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Post by: TAC on October 28, 2014, 03:53:15 PM
   There was actually meant to be a Sykes Portnoy Sheehan band before they moved ahead with Kotzen (Winery Dogs)  ............the guy just cannot get his shit together.
They appeared together on That Metal Show. I had actually never heard or seen Sykes interviewed in all these years, but I could not believe how "too" laid back he was. He sounded completely stoned, and his eyes nearly popped out of his head when Eddie's Metal chick on the show came out. :lol
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Post by: Lowdz on October 28, 2014, 05:13:47 PM
I didn't even know about this!
https://www.amazon.com/Live-In-84-Back-Deluxe/dp/tracks/B00NO5BVCE/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1

I am all over THIS!! :metal

Yeah, read about that a while ago.  Definitely a purchase right there.

I'm not sure whether this is a rerelease of a live video I had back in the day. That was really good and expect this to do the business.
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Post by: wolfking on October 28, 2014, 05:41:24 PM
I didn't even know about this!
https://www.amazon.com/Live-In-84-Back-Deluxe/dp/tracks/B00NO5BVCE/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1

I am all over THIS!! :metal

Yeah, read about that a while ago.  Definitely a purchase right there.

I'm not sure whether this is a rerelease of a live video I had back in the day. That was really good and expect this to do the business.

yeah, I've seen a few clips on youtube of a show around the same time which seemed like a pro release that could be what is getting released here.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 28, 2014, 08:42:22 PM
1984.................that'd be about the last time Coverdale sounded decent live  ;D
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Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
I saw them in '88 in Oakland and in '90 in Columbia, MD, and he sounded pretty good both times.
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Post by: Mosh on October 28, 2014, 08:52:48 PM
Don't have time to find the Kiss thread, so I thought I'd drop this here.
Paul Stanley on Joe Rogan's pod cast.
https://bravewords.com/news/kiss-frontman-paul-stanley-guests-on-oprah-where-are-they-now-this-sunday

A bit long, but a great listen.
Great interview. Disagreed heavily with Paul's views and logic on piracy but it was still an entertaining listen and once they changed the subject to his book things got really interesting. I actually want to read it now.
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Post by: bl5150 on October 28, 2014, 08:54:34 PM
I saw them in '88 in Oakland and in '90 in Columbia, MD, and he sounded pretty good both times.

I was exaggerating - hence the  ;D   It's been a good while though and , even though I've heard "him" sound good just in recent years , the reality is he has perfected the art of using huge reverb and background singers to great effect.

I saw him on the Slip Of The Tongue tour and have numerous soundboards from the same tour and he was horrid.  And that's what - 20 years ago.   So although I exaggerated for effect , it wasn't too far off .

Don't have time to find the Kiss thread, so I thought I'd drop this here.
Paul Stanley on Joe Rogan's pod cast.
https://bravewords.com/news/kiss-frontman-paul-stanley-guests-on-oprah-where-are-they-now-this-sunday

A bit long, but a great listen.
Great interview. Disagreed heavily with Paul's views and logic on piracy but it was still an entertaining listen and once they changed the subject to his book things got really interesting. I actually want to read it now.
Yeah - good interview but boy............the interviewer should've dropped the piracy thing a zillion times before he did.  It just got tiring.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2014, 09:48:46 PM
Don't have time to find the Kiss thread, so I thought I'd drop this here.
Paul Stanley on Joe Rogan's pod cast.
https://bravewords.com/news/kiss-frontman-paul-stanley-guests-on-oprah-where-are-they-now-this-sunday

A bit long, but a great listen.
Great interview. Disagreed heavily with Paul's views and logic on piracy but it was still an entertaining listen and once they changed the subject to his book things got really interesting. I actually want to read it now.
Yeah - good interview but boy............the interviewer should've dropped the piracy thing a zillion times before he did.  It just got tiring.

It's tricky though.  He really wanted to dig and push Paul on the issue.  Yeah, it was uncomfortable, but how many times have we all complained about interviews where the interviewer didn't ask the hard question or the follow-up question when the interviewee dodged or didn't give a very deep answer?
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Post by: Mosh on October 28, 2014, 10:24:43 PM
I liked that the interviewer didn't give in to Paul and continued to challenge him, the problem is that the guy wasn't making very convincing arguments. But he probably wasn't prepared to get into a big debate about piracy anyway. I appreciate the effort at least. 
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Post by: TAC on October 29, 2014, 05:10:45 AM
I liked that the interviewer didn't give in to Paul and continued to challenge him, the problem is that the guy wasn't making very convincing arguments. But he probably wasn't prepared to get into a big debate about piracy anyway. I appreciate the effort at least.
I thought he made great examples for Paul to comment on, and not to derail the thread, but how exactly is Paul wrong on this issue?
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Post by: Mosh on October 29, 2014, 07:16:58 AM
I don't think Paul is wrong, necessarily (though I disagree with his stance). I just didn't like his logic on the issue. Like when he pulled out the old "you wouldn't pirate a car" thing. It seemed like a narrow viewpoint.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 29, 2014, 08:54:14 AM
I agree with Paul and do not think he is wrong, but I kind of appreciate that Rogan kept pushing--not to show that Paul was wrong, but to try to get Paul to see that it is a complicated, fuzzy issue in a lot of contexts, and it is difficult to draw the line sometimes.  The problem is just that Rogan is such in inept moron that it (not surprisingly) came across as awkward.
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Post by: Mosh on October 29, 2014, 11:36:34 AM
I think that's the main problem, they were both simplifying a complicated issue.
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Post by: TAC on October 29, 2014, 01:11:53 PM
I don't know. I thought the discussion on Piracy was excellent. I thought Rogan went back to the therapy thing way too much.
But what was extremely interesting was how Paul described how he felt about creating new characters, and also that he wanted to take the makeup off for Creatures.
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Post by: Mosh on October 29, 2014, 05:04:20 PM
That's funny, I was relieved when the piracy discussion ended and thought the therapy thing was interesting. That was a side of Paul I'd never seen before.

Yea that stuff was interesting too. From what I understand, Gene was very against taking the makeup off, and I guess Paul backed down the first time but got his way eventually. Incidentally, this is also where Gene's interest in the band seemed to wane.
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Post by: TAC on October 29, 2014, 05:21:42 PM
Yea that stuff was interesting too. From what I understand, Gene was very against taking the makeup off, and I guess Paul backed down the first time but got his way eventually. Incidentally, this is also where Gene's interest in the band seemed to wane.
Very true. Paul carried that band on his back through the 80's.
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Post by: kingshmegland on October 29, 2014, 05:33:12 PM
I've been reading Paul's bio and Gene was in and out earlier than you know with regards to recording.  He is very frank about all, mostly himself.
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Post by: Mosh on October 29, 2014, 09:18:36 PM
How early? I haven't gotten the bio yet. Gene seemed to openly admit that he wasn't invested much in the band during the 80s, I figured this happened after the failure that was The Elder.
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Post by: kingshmegland on October 29, 2014, 09:25:12 PM
Gene was always self serving.  As early as Destroyer ge misses recording sessions.
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Post by: Mosh on October 29, 2014, 09:43:09 PM
Interesting. His contributions seemed about equal with Paul's up until Lick It Up, and then again around the time of Revenge. Especially Carnival of Souls. I don't disagree with the self serving bit, but I just figured he was more involved in Kiss during those times. So that's a surprise.
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Post by: kingshmegland on October 29, 2014, 09:47:34 PM
Paul was always waving the KISS flag while Gene was working on his own enterprise.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 29, 2014, 09:48:13 PM
Interesting. His contributions seemed about equal with Paul's up until Lick It Up, and then again around the time of Revenge. Especially Carnival of Souls. I don't disagree with the self serving bit, but I just figured he was more involved in Kiss during those times. So that's a surprise.

He was still mostly present at that point, but from Destroyer onwards they started functioning less as a unified band, with less collaboration on each other's songs, and more outside musicians, especially for Peter and Ace.
And even though Gene was always contributing songs, they were never as polished as Paul's, so there were less of them on the albums. Just check out the Love Gun demo, and aside from the guitar solo, it's identical to the studio version. Paul even played bass on that one.
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Post by: kingshmegland on October 29, 2014, 09:49:41 PM
What Blob said.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 03, 2014, 07:34:12 AM
For those of you who like a bit of straight ahead rock/metal the new Riot (V) - Unleash The Fire is pretty damn good.....I rate it 83%   No original members now but they've done a good job of capturing the Riot sound and it's pretty solid from start to finish. 

Another one I finally got around to after a few years is the Forbidden Demos by XYZ...I rate it 90% (making allowances for production and the time).   If you like  XYZ /Marc Diglio (who was just a kid on these demos) it's a must.  A lot of their demos and live stuff from 86-90 are better than most of the melodic rock being done now.  Surprisingly good after going in with no real expectations.  It would never have been released but for original guitarist Bobby Pieper trying to make some money off some crappy old demos , so Terry Ilous responded with these and I'm glad he did. 

A few of my faves off the Riot :

Bring The Hammer Down : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uraePRXUdw0

Take Me Back (bit of a Scorps vibe) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDM-6haRWew

Until We Meet Again:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGvGkHhCNrU


And one from the XYZ demos :

High Life (1988 demo):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cfEG4jjrjY

 


Google's ad function is obviously buggy when it comes to tracking my browsing as I've been bombarded for days with ads about Mariah Carey gigs.  :-\
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Post by: TAC on November 03, 2014, 01:19:07 PM
For those of you who like a bit of straight ahead rock/metal the new Riot (V) - Unleash The Fire is pretty damn good.....I rate it 83%   No original members now but they've done a good job of capturing the Riot sound and it's pretty solid from start to finish. 

This is squarely on The List, though I probably will not see until my Christmas haul. Love Todd Michael Hall. I've sampled a few tracks and it's very good.

With apologies to Thundersteel, I have not followed Riot after Born In America, and frankly, I don't consider this a Riot release at all. But I am definitely looking forward to it.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 03, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
The readers of Rhythm magazine were given a list of 100 of the best drum intros to vote on and these were the Top 10

10) Iron Maiden: Where Eagles Dare

9) Foo Fighters: My Hero

8) Nirvana: Smells Like Teen Spirit

7) Judas Priest: Painkiller

6) Led Zeppelin: When The Levee Breaks

5) Queens Of The Stone Age: A Song For The Dead

4) Led Zeppelin: Rock And Roll

3) Guns N’ Roses: You Could Be Mine

2) Rush: The Spirit Of Radio

1) Van Halen: Hot For Teacher



Good to see the very under rated AVH get some "winning".

 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 03, 2014, 06:54:05 PM
How the hell did Smells Like Teen Spirit get on this list? ???

Some good picks on there though. HFT has a an awesome intro, so I'm happy to see that in first place. I love You Could Be Mine, but Rock n Roll should have definitely been higher up on this list.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 03, 2014, 06:54:54 PM
You need some token grunge in a list to hold your cred these days  ;D
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 03, 2014, 06:59:21 PM
Painkiller!!!!!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 03, 2014, 07:41:55 PM
You need some token grunge in a list to hold your cred these days  ;D

I think that inclusion hurts their cred more than anything. :lol
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Post by: Mosh on November 03, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
The way the drums kick in on that song is awesome. It's very short and simple but it's huge and at this point, iconic.
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Post by: wolfking on November 04, 2014, 04:07:31 AM
Surprising yet awesome to see Where Eagles Dare, always loved that one.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 04, 2014, 07:45:59 PM
Hmm - just found this amongst a pile of junk.  Never listened to it  :facepalm:

(https://s30.postimg.org/9c20sa2r5/657723_img.jpg)
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 04, 2014, 07:53:45 PM
Is that an early version of Invasion?
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Post by: bl5150 on November 04, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
Is that an early version of Invasion?

Nah - it was actually towards the end of VVI.    VVI was formed around 84 and debuted around 86 - this was copyright 88 which was around the time of All Systems Go.   Supposedly he wrote these songs , demoed them up with JSS and then shopped them around to publishing companies in the hope they would be taken on by other artists.

Vinnie works in mysterious ways.
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Post by: TAC on November 05, 2014, 05:32:35 AM
Is it any good?
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Post by: bl5150 on November 05, 2014, 05:34:24 AM
Is it any good?

No it wasn't  ;D  It was actually quite poppy - what he was trying to do now makes a bit more sense (break into the charts with some lighter material).  Why I found it amongst a pile of crap now also makes more sense  :D
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Post by: Lowdz on November 05, 2014, 12:54:43 PM
Is it any good?

No it wasn't  ;D  It was actually quite poppy - what he was trying to do now makes a bit more sense (break into the charts with some lighter material).  Why I found it amongst a pile of crap now also makes more sense  :D

I've heard these and they aren't great.
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Post by: TAC on November 07, 2014, 04:31:50 PM
I just want to say that I bought Mike Lepond's Silent Assassins album and it kicks fuc#ing ass!  :metal
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Post by: bl5150 on November 08, 2014, 07:21:15 AM
I just want to say that I bought Mike Lepond's Silent Assassins album and it kicks fuc#ing ass!  :metal

Will check it out........
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Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2014, 04:27:29 AM
I just want to say that I bought Mike Lepond's Silent Assassins album and it kicks fuc#ing ass!  :metal

Will check it out........

Yeah, that was one I had to check out too.
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Post by: Lowdz on November 10, 2014, 01:01:48 PM
Heard the first track and thought it was shit. Will give the rest of it a go.
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Post by: TAC on November 10, 2014, 01:05:56 PM
Heard the first track and thought it was shit. Will give the rest of it a go.

I like that one.

I think the whole album is pretty tasty.


Was it you that was talking about Riot V? I listened to most of the tracks, and I think I prefer the Lepond album. I still may get the Riot V but was underwhelmed.

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Post by: bl5150 on November 10, 2014, 01:18:22 PM
It was me talking about the Riot - I rated it around 80% so felt it was a very solid effort without being fantastic.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 10, 2014, 01:20:39 PM
Heard the first track and thought it was shit. Will give the rest of it a go.

Listened to about 1/2 of it myself.  Musically thought it was pretty decent, but vocally I couldn't get into it.  Couple of good moments, but overall, meh.
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Post by: TAC on November 10, 2014, 01:25:11 PM
It was me talking about the Riot - I rated it around 80% so felt it was a very solid effort without being fantastic.

I love the classic East Coast metal. Lepond's album is very 1982ish, but that hits a spot with me. It actually reminds me of classic Riot.
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Post by: Lowdz on November 10, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
Listening again I was a bit harsh calling it shit. It's ok. I prefer the Riot actually - the singer is better. Not going to set the world on fire, either of them, but yeah, the Riot is better.
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Post by: TAC on November 10, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
Listening again I was a bit harsh calling it shit. It's ok. I prefer the Riot actually - the singer is better. Not going to set the world on fire, either of them, but yeah, the Riot is better.
Love Todd Michael Hall. Likely buying the Riot either tonight or tommorrow. (or Tommorrow And Tonight!)
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Post by: TAC on November 11, 2014, 06:09:22 AM
the Riot is better.
After two listens, yes I would agree. In fact the Riot V is downright fantastic! TMH's vocals are much better here than the Reverence album, and those were pretty damn stong.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 11, 2014, 06:12:00 AM
Underwhelmed to downright fantastic in one easy step.   That's called a "grower"  ;D
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Post by: TAC on November 11, 2014, 06:17:02 AM
 
Underwhelmed to downright fantastic in one easy step.   That's called a "grower"  ;D

Yeah but it's true. The Youtube clips didn't do it justice. I actually got goosebumps listening.  I've been looking forward to this album for a while now. Never followed post Born In America Riot, but this has a classic feel even though the band is totally different.
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Post by: TAC on November 11, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
In fact, I'd say the Riot V is as good as Blind Rage.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 12, 2014, 06:05:09 AM
In fact, I'd say the Riot V is as good as Blind Rage.

I actually rated Riot a couple of points higher and didn't realise.   I thought I'd rated the Accept higher than I did.   Anyway - both really good albums.


Time for another little memory lane trip , an item of memorabilia to check out and I'll run an idea by you guys for a new addition to this thread.


First.........a magazine cover to check out - April 88.   (trivia : Hit Parader was started in 1942  :omg:  )

(https://s28.postimg.org/76l17w65p/dokken.jpg)

Wonder how long that lasted  ;D




And an interesting item from the bl5150 vaults .  These aren't too hard to find (perhaps less so when sealed like mine is) but it's one of my favourite bits of VH stuff.    It's a red vinyl promo sent out to radio stations for Van Halen's debut.  It features the tracks  "Runnin' With The Devil," "Eruption," "Ice Cream Man," "You Really Got Me" And "Jamie's Cryin."  and has an earlier band logo and Looney Tunes /Merrie Melodies markings from Warner.

This photo (obviously) isn't of my sealed copy.  Not sure what's going on with the big white spot in the middle on the bottom left , but anyway........best photo I could find to display what it looks like.

(https://www.vhnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/LooneyTunes.jpg)




Next up.......... my brilliant idea  ::)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 12, 2014, 08:47:10 AM

Next up.......... my brilliant idea  ::)


OK................I wanted to run this by you guys before I go ahead and do anything.  The last thing I want to do is rush off and do this and take the site to the point of overkill in terms of lists etc.......and just bore everyone to death.   

I had the idea while checking out one of the Discography threads the other day.  I think they're fantastic and appreciate all the hard work involved etc..... but to be successful/worth the trouble they really need to cover bands that have a large following on DTF.   Bands like Rush, Led Zep and Iron Maiden and the like are ideal candidates.

When I thought about whether I might like to do one in the future , it was pretty clear to me that the vast majority of bands I seriously like would really only be of interest to the half dozen or so diehards that follow this thread.  And so it really wouldn't generate much value for the time involved. And so I got to thinking about how we could do something in this thread that is far less time consuming for the author (and the reader!) while still  generating some good discussion.

I thought that each of us contributing some Top 10's lists to this thread could achieve that goal.   I'm prepared to do all of the organising and cover more than my fair share of the content .  I am hoping that some others will put up their hands to cover a few bands etc.......

The main focus for now is to come up with lists of the Top 10 Essential Tracks from various bands with the idea that the list should include songs that you consider "required listening" - effectively your own 10 track Best Of........ It's then opened up for discussion , others can respond with their own version if they like.......   If we ever exhaust that side of things then you could then move onto other Top 10 ideas.


The only requirement for bands mentioned in these lists is that they are generally considered hard rock or classic metal.   Prog metal is out for the most part as it's been done to death elsewhere, although I think bands like Queensryche and Crimson Glory have enough "classic metal" in them to be included.    Hair metal is all fine.  It's pretty clear that certain bands might need to be broken down into eras - for example Black Sabbath , Judas Priest (perhaps),  KISS (70's/80's),

 I would aim for us to do 2 lists per month (1st and 15th of the month as a rough guide)  and set up a roster in the initial post with links to the relevant thread pages.


Potential Contributions:



For starters I'm happy to handle Van Halen, Ozzy, Savatage, KISS (70's/80's), WASP, Talisman, Malmsteen etc.......

No pressure on anyone but I thought some of the following might work well:

TAC:  Accept, Dio
wolfking:  Judas Priest (70's),  Black Sabbath (Dio years)
lowdz:  UFO , Dokken
jingle.boy:  Triumph , Tesla
JJ :  Primal Fear?/ Judas Priest (80's-)
and so on................

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Let me know what you guys think - if it's all too much and I'm wasting my time , then let me know and I'll drop it and no offence taken.  I thought it'd be a cool way to generate the sort of discussion we see in the Discog threads for the bands we like with a whole lot less work involved.

So do we push ahead with it or do I shut the hell up?  ;D


PS  While I'm getting the main idea organised I wouldn't mind running through the years (Top 10 albums of 19xx...........) from 1980 to 1995 to get us started.   I could do a year each few days over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 09:14:07 AM
That's a great idea Brent! Similar to the Dio conversation at the beginning of this thread. We can pick a band and discuss for a week or so.
I'll battle Lowdz for UFO though! :)

Organize away bro!

This is what I posted in one of the Album Of The Year threads.
The one year that I could not live without is 1981.

UFO-The Wild The Willing And The Innocent
MIchael Schenker Group-MSG
Rush- Moving Pictures
Def Leppard-High n Dry
Thin Lizzy-Renegade

A great year, probably my favorite year for music all time. These 5 are all TAC Top 25's!

HM's
Riot- Fire Down Under
Ozzy Osbourne-Diary Of A Madman
Joe Perry Project- I've Got The Rock And Rolls Again
Van Halen- Fair Warning
Blackfoot-Marauder
Iron Maiden- Killers
Rainbow-Difficult To Cure
Black Sabbath-Mob Rules
Y&T-Earthshaker
Saxon-Denim And Leather
Ted Nugent-Intensities In Ten Cities
Triumph -Allied Forces

1981 FTW :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 12, 2014, 09:23:30 AM
Okey dokey - thanks.  The TAC seal of approval is all I need  ;D

While I draft a more extensive list of bands we need to cover (for my future reference) I'll get onto 1980 in the next day or two.   I believe the MSG album you quoted was actually 1980 , although I'm no Schenker expert.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 09:31:14 AM
Okey dokey - thanks.  The TAC seal of approval is all I need  ;D

While I draft a more extensive list of bands we need to cover (for my future reference) I'll get onto 1980 in the next day or two.   I believe the MSG album you quoted was actually 1980 , although I'm no Schenker expert.
The first MSG album-"The Michael Schenker Group" was released in 1980. His second album "MSG" was indeed released in 1981. One of the most influential albums to my musical tastes.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 12, 2014, 09:32:46 AM
That's why I'm no Schenker expert - bands called MSG, albums called MSG , Michael Schenker, McCauley Schenker ........ :facepalm:   ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2014, 10:51:07 AM
I thought it'd be a cool way to generate the sort of discussion we see in the Discog threads for the bands we like with a whole lot less work involved.

This is can get into.  As for the entire post, tl;du (didn't understand).  Triumph is definitely mine for sure.  Not sure who else I'd consider myself close to an 'expert' on.  Harem?  Yeah (but not sure they fit the criteria you laid out).  Tesla?  Sorta (I have almost the entire discog).  Others that would fall into that category too would be White Lion, Whitesnake, Europe and Poison.

My only concern in participating is I got a lot on the go right now... wrapping up the Zep discussion, restarting the vocal showdowns, and hosting a roulette soon (which all you f'rs better be participating in), plus, ya know... real life shit.  :lol

We oughta recruit Bosk for Y&T.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 12, 2014, 10:57:05 AM
I thought it'd be a cool way to generate the sort of discussion we see in the Discog threads for the bands we like with a whole lot less work involved.

This is can get into.  As for the entire post, tl;du (didn't understand).  Triumph is definitely mine for sure.  Not sure who else I'd consider myself close to an 'expert' on.  Harem?  Yeah (but not sure they fit the criteria you laid out).  Tesla?  Sorta (I have almost the entire discog).  Others that would fall into that category too would be White Lion, Whitesnake, Europe and Poison.

My only concern in participating is I got a lot on the go right now... wrapping up the Zep discussion, restarting the vocal showdowns, and hosting a roulette soon (which all you f'rs better be participating in), plus, ya know... real life shit.  :lol

We oughta recruit Bosk for Y&T.

No worries .................I'll keep things moving for a while and I knew you'd be busy for a while. I just wanted to establish if the concept was useful.    I see no issue with Harem Scarem here as post their first album I think much of their stuff is hard rock. 

Sorry if my post was confusing - didn't think it was that bad .  Although it is 5am here and I haven't slept so I have some excuse for talking shit.

You don't necessarily have to own every single album to participate here - most of the bands have albums that we made an informed decision NOT to own...........if I did Tesla it would comprise songs from only 3 or 4 albums.  And as for Queensryche  :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
It probably is pretty clear, I just skimmed through it.  Start it up, I'll follow along, and participate as best I can.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
I'm not sure I completely understand the idea, but my Y&T alarm went off, so I felt compelled to come visit the thread.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 12, 2014, 11:35:21 AM
In simple terms we're just talking about me kickstarting the thread with Top 10 albums of 19xx (years)  , after which we will move onto bands , which is the original idea.................Top 10 Essential Tracks from XX band.   

I probably could've worded the original post better - and likely would've if I wasn't half asleep - but it's not that bad  :P

I'll try and tidy it up a bit.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 12:20:24 PM
Jingle.glam, Poison will not be discussed in this thread.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 12, 2014, 01:00:43 PM
Jingle.glam, Poison will not be discussed in this thread.

TAC can have UFO. I'm not a fan of enough of the discog. I'm sure I could sort something when the time comes.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 01:03:34 PM
I will be reporting that to the Admins and will have your username changed to Quietz.

Edit: Yeah, you better modify that post! ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 12, 2014, 01:05:53 PM
I will be reporting that to the Admins and will have your username changed to Quietz.

Edit: Yeah, you better modify that post! ;D

 :biggrin:

I edited the post - people will not know what you're talking about  :biggrin:

It was Winger related  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
FUCK YOU EVERYONE!! :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on November 12, 2014, 01:12:05 PM
Bottom line, if there is a conversation about classic/hard rock and metal, I'm there.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2014, 01:29:17 PM
FUCK YOU EVERYONE!! :rollin

Wow...so, um...very unfortunate and descriptive choice of username there, pal.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 01:34:03 PM
FUCK YOU EVERYONE!! :rollin

Wow...so, um...very unfortunate and descriptive choice of username there, pal.

If anyone wants to know why you are the Merciless Administrator, I have stories to tell.

I may have to take this to the US Head of Interwebz.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2014, 01:37:12 PM
TAC, er... Winger fan also gets Saxon.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 01:38:10 PM
TAC, er... Winger fan also gets Saxon.

I don't get shit until I get my name back!  :yarr
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 01:38:48 PM
Thank you!

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 12, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
TAC, er... Winger fan also gets Saxon.

I don't get shit until I get my name back!  :yarr

*best Spartacus voice* I'm #1 Winger fan!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2014, 01:39:55 PM
If anyone wants to know why you are the Merciless Administrator, I have stories to tell.

Wow... apparently that was a credible threat!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2014, 01:43:23 PM
If anyone wants to know why you are the Merciless Administrator, I have stories to tell.

Wow... apparently that was a credible threat!

 :lol

You damn right!

Never fuck with this guy!

(https://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110910035309/beavisandbutthead/images/7/7a/Stewart.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 12, 2014, 01:47:19 PM
He was the heart of that show!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2014, 01:49:19 PM
He was only seventeen!

(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_4011_1415825186.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 12, 2014, 02:34:11 PM
He was only seventeen!

(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_4011_1415825186.jpg)

We were all 17 once. It was awesome.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on November 12, 2014, 06:55:24 PM

For starters I'm happy to handle Van Halen, Ozzy, Savatage, KISS (70's/80's), WASP, Talisman, Malmsteen etc.......

No pressure on anyone but I thought some of the following might work well:

TAC:  Accept, Dio
wolfking:  Judas Priest (70's),  Black Sabbath (Dio years)
lowdz:  UFO , Dokken
jingle.boy:  Triumph , Tesla
JJ :  Primal Fear?/ Judas Priest (80's-)
and so on................

This is a good idea.  Trying to think, there's actually not many bands I could think of that I would be confident covering for the subject title compared to others.

I could definitely cover a lot of Brent's ones like Savatage, Wasp, Ozzy etc.  Sabbath I could do their whole career, but so could Jason probably.  Judas Priest I could do their whole career too.  Iron Maiden would be one I could do off the top of my head though.  I'd have to look through my collection and see who else I could do.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 12, 2014, 06:58:02 PM
Cool Kade - we'll work out who does what and spread it around based on who's up for it at the time.   I'll float a few names and first in gets it .................if nobody bites then I suppose I get it  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on November 12, 2014, 07:41:48 PM
You can be the reserve poster for every single band ever!  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 13, 2014, 12:00:26 AM
Cool idea for sure. Will definitely follow. Maybe (but that is a big maybe) I will someday even do my own list/band.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 01:30:11 AM
You can be the reserve poster for every single band ever!  :lol

 :hat


Cool idea for sure. Will definitely follow. Maybe (but that is a big maybe) I will someday even do my own list/band.

Cool - I've noticed your quality taste in music   ;)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2014, 04:35:54 AM
Man, I just realised how the overall hard rock and classic metal scene is not my strongest area.  Everything unique to me compared to you guys is either melodic rock, power metal, or some form of death metal.

The only other band I could think of that I could do would be Mercyful Fate or King, if they even qualify for this thread.  :lol  Plenty of others I could do, but some of you blokes would know 'em better.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2014, 04:44:23 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/level-10-featuring-russell-allen-mat-sinner-debut-album-chapter-one-due-in-january/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wp_cZvkrJT4

Sounds solid enough but nothing special.  Will definitely jump on it though.  The first song reminds me heavily of something from 1987.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 13, 2014, 05:10:39 AM

Cool idea for sure. Will definitely follow. Maybe (but that is a big maybe) I will someday even do my own list/band.

Cool - I've noticed your quality taste in music   ;)

Just wait till I criticize your lists. I seem to like the same bands as others but more often than not I have different favorite albums and songs than others.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 05:25:49 AM

 I seem to like the same bands as others but more often than not I have different favorite albums and songs than others.  ;D

I know someone like that  :D 

Quote
Just wait till I criticize your lists.

Try not to be too "critical" -  I'm hoping it'll be more of a good hearted discussion rather than taking pot shots/ analytical dissections of others' lists
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 05:33:34 AM
Man, I just realised how the overall hard rock and classic metal scene is not my strongest area.  Everything unique to me compared to you guys is either melodic rock, power metal, or some form of death metal.

The only other band I could think of that I could do would be Mercyful Fate or King, if they even qualify for this thread.  :lol  Plenty of others I could do, but some of you blokes would know 'em better.

No need to be a fully fledged expert or "most knowledgable on DTF" .    I'll put you down for Maiden, King and Mercyful Fate .  That's heaps for now.   We're only looking to do a couple a month and I need to get through these years , which will take a little while.   Speaking of which..........
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 05:33:56 AM
Here goes..............

I should preface this by providing some context.  I was 5yo at the start of 1980 and so most of these bands I have worked my way back to.   There was really only one band in the world for me in 1980 and that was KISS.

The reason I started with 1980 is that I really don't tend to like much from the 70's - I would struggle to list 10 albums I like from most years in the 1970's.   I'm sorta stuck in the middle a bit - I was born in the 70's , but unlike a lot of you slightly older folks  ;) I didn't really grow up with any 70's bands aside from KISS.  So I have no attachment to these bands that comes with the "growing up" factor and really don't like most of the music as a fresh listener.

So 1980 is the first year that I really enjoy enough albums to make a list.  I have tried to place weighting on the influence of an album in general , as well as it's appeal to me. Hence the appearance of AC/DC who don't get much rotation time from me , but I can't deny the quality of Back In Black.   If I don't like a band at all though ,it ain't going to make it.  As an example Ace of Spades by Motorhead is a 1980 classic but Motorhead do nothing for me , so it didn't come under consideration. As we move along each year is going to get much more difficult as the potential candidates grow exponentially.

There were really only 15 albums or so that I considered here - thankfully most of them kick ass and positions 4-10 in particular are rated very closely and were hard to separate.  In the end it came down mostly to a ratio of classics: fillers and so some albums with some absolute classics but a few fillers suffered a bit. You can take it as gospel that any album that makes a Top 10 I rate very highly.



TOP 10 ALBUMS OF 1980



1. Ozzy Osbourne : Blizzard of Ozz
2. AC/DC : Back In Black
3. Van Halen : Women and Children First
4. Michael Schenker Group: Michael Schenker Group
5. KISS : Unmasked
6. Saxon : Strong Arm Of The Law
7. Judas Priest: British Steel
8. Black Sabbath : Heaven and Hell
9. Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
10:Triumph: Progressions of Power


An honourable mention to Diamond Head : Lightning To The Nations (aka The White Album) which was very influential on many bands that followed (incl. the original Am I Evil) and also Thin Lizzy: Chinatown which has a few killers but too many fillers.

I won't elaborate in detail on each album in these lists as I want to keep the posts reasonably concise and leave the detail for any discussion .  Aside from perhaps KISS: Unmasked (which many consider pissweak) I'd be surprised if anyone disagrees strongly with any of these making the top 10.  Let's see..........over to you.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2014, 05:50:29 AM
Unmasked..... Women and Children First.... Slow year, huh? :lol Love both bands, but both albums are among their very weakest.
Agree with Ozzy and AC/DC at least. Both killer. :tup The rest of the choices are good too, I'm just not as familiar with some of them.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 06:21:57 AM
Unmasked..... Women and Children First.... Slow year, huh? :lol Love both bands, but both albums are among their very weakest.
Agree with Ozzy and AC/DC at least. Both killer. :tup The rest of the choices are good too, I'm just not as familiar with some of them.

I don't rate Unmasked as near KISS's best but on the other hand I don't think it's as bad as a lot make out. 

As far as Women and Children First.......well you know how much I love VH.   If it didn't make No 1 there's a damn good reason  ;D   I think on that album they went a bit too far to the humour side and the music suffered.  But hey - it's still VH and still a good album.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2014, 06:27:14 AM
VH are my #2 favourite band, and I love the vast majority of what they've done, but I don't listen to a thing from WACF. It's the filler sandwiched inbetween two great albums. The only thing even listenable is Cradle, and even that is very average. The rest is just too silly and phoned in. Loss of Control has to be one of the most offensively bad songs of that VH period.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 13, 2014, 06:39:08 AM
Hard to argue with that list.  Omissions (though not exactly glaring)

Zenyatta Mondatta
The River
The Game
Duke

Though, those don't really fit the 'hard rock/classic metal' criteria.

Pat Benatar/Crimes of Passion might.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 06:48:20 AM
Hard to argue with that list.  Omissions (though not exactly glaring)

Zenyatta Mondatta
The River
The Game
Duke

Though, those don't really fit the 'hard rock/classic metal' criteria.

Pat Benatar/Crimes of Passion might.

Right - I don't consider any of them hard rock and most barely even rock  ;D   I've never really been into any of those bands in a huge way either.  I did consider Queen's album but decided it wasn't hard rock.   Even Whitesnake only just scraped in .

I'm taking care to remove my "AOR hat" for this exercise and it's not all that hard as I find my tastes are getting heavier by the day.    But still............when I start to think 1981 it'll be hard to go past Journey: Escape and Foreigner: 4 but I'm going to  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on November 13, 2014, 06:59:38 AM
Iron Maiden, Rush, and Def Leppard would have been mentioned on my list.

Solid list overall, that Kiss album is a controversial one for sure. I enjoy it  but I can see how some people despise it; especially when it came out.

Heaven & Hell would top my list. British Steel and Saxon wouldn't be too far behind.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 07:05:00 AM
Iron Maiden, Rush, and Def Leppard would have been mentioned on my list.


Def Leppard were close .........I'm not huge into Iron Maiden but they might make an appearance later given that I'm allowing some weighting for influence on others.........and Rush.....I'll keep my opinions to myself as I'm totally out voted  ;D   

Do you consider Rush hard rock or classic metal??   Genres drive me bonkers but if I had to I'd class them as prog rock.  I don't find them heavy at all, especially in the vocal department.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2014, 07:12:51 AM
Hard to argue with that list.  Omissions (though not exactly glaring)

Zenyatta Mondatta
The River
The Game
Duke

Though, those don't really fit the 'hard rock/classic metal' criteria.
No they don't. Get that shit out of here! :)

Pat Benatar/Crimes of Passion might.
That is actually a good call. Creat album.

Iron Maiden, Rush, and Def Leppard would have been mentioned on my list.

Solid list overall, that Kiss album is a controversial one for sure. I enjoy it  but I can see how some people despise it; especially when it came out.

Heaven & Hell would top my list. 
Agree with this all.


Here goes..............
TOP 10 ALBUMS OF 1980
1. Ozzy Osbourne : Blizzard of Ozz
2. AC/DC : Back In Black
4. Michael Schenker Group: Michael Schenker Group
6. Saxon : Strong Arm Of The Law
7. Judas Priest: British Steel
8. Black Sabbath : Heaven and Hell


I don't even have Progressions of Power! :lol
WACF isn't bad. I love In A Simple Ryhme.

My list would definitely include:
Iron Maiden-s/t
Def Leppard-On Through The Night
UFO-No Place To Run
Thin Lizzy-Chinatown
Rush-Permanent Waves

And B, you cannot put Kiss on this list and leave out Ace Of Spades. You just can't.

Still 1980 belongs to Blizzard Of Ozz, Back In Black, and Heaven And Hell.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 13, 2014, 07:17:27 AM
At the time, Rush (and Permanent Waves being the changing point) started more in a hard rock direction.  That album is arguably as heavy as some of the others on the list (PoP, MSG).
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2014, 07:21:15 AM
At the time, Rush (and Permanent Waves being the changing point) started more in a hard rock direction.  That album is arguably as heavy as some of the others on the list (PoP, MSG).
I agree. Permanent Waves belongs! :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 07:30:27 AM
Shit  - 1981's going to be much tougher......... :-\
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2014, 07:31:30 AM
Shit  - 1981's going to be much tougher......... :-\

Yes, as I posted above, it was a GREAT year.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on November 13, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
I agree with Brent in that genres and classifications can drive you bonkers. And the rock genre is the worst. Is this band considered hard rock, metal, power rock, power metal, prog rock?? It can drive you nuts
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2014, 07:56:42 AM
No beef with the list.  I would have definitely included Dep Lep and Sabbath if it were me.  Queen and Journey...I would probably cheat and squeeze them in as well, even though they probably do not qualify.  That Queen album was the first album I ever bought, and it holds a special place in my heart.
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Post by: TAC on November 13, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
No beef with the list.  I would have definitely included Dep Lep and Sabbath if it were me.  Queen and Journey...I would probably cheat and squeeze them in as well, even though they probably do not qualify.  That Queen album was the first album I ever bought, and it holds a special place in my heart.
That would be The Game right? that's a good album.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2014, 08:02:02 AM
Yeah.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 13, 2014, 08:04:10 AM
Shit  - 1981's going to be much tougher......... :-\

Yes, as I posted above, it was a GREAT year.

Allied Forces better make the cut.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 08:05:47 AM
I would have definitely included Dep Lep and Sabbath if it were me.

Sabbath was there - just a bit low according to most.  I have the same issue with most Dio albums I own.   I love the guy's voice but I generally find there's maybe 3 songs I'd rate 11 out of 10 and another 3 or 4 that I rate as filler. Makes them hard albums to rate right at the top of a high quality list , even though the highs are godly.
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Post by: Big Hath on November 13, 2014, 08:18:26 AM
once were done with years, bands, etc I would love to see everyone's top 10 riffs lists.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 08:21:50 AM
once were done with years, bands, etc I would love to see everyone's top 10 riffs lists.

Noted . Now that would be hard.
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Post by: TAC on November 13, 2014, 08:22:57 AM
once were done with years, bands, etc I would love to see everyone's top 10 riffs lists.

Noted . Now that would be hard.
Very!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2014, 08:33:15 AM
The thing about 1980 for me is that it is the year I first really started to notice music on my own and start to develop my own musical tastes and preferences.  Prior to that, like most kids, I just listened to whatever my parents were listening to.  From this point onward, even when my listening followed along with what my parents were listening to (which was natural, since it was still what I was exposed to the most and what was most accessible), I began to identify with the music because I liked it as opposed to identifying with it simply because it was on my parents' radio.  So, needless to say, 1980 is an EXCELLENT year to start this off, from my perspective.
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Post by: TAC on November 13, 2014, 08:44:51 AM
The thing about 1980 for me is that it is the year I first really started to notice music on my own and start to develop my own musical tastes and preferences.  Prior to that, like most kids, I just listened to whatever my parents were listening to.  From this point onward, even when my listening followed along with what my parents were listening to (which was natural, since it was still what I was exposed to the most and what was most accessible), I began to identify with the music because I liked it as opposed to identifying with it simply because it was on my parents' radio.  So, needless to say, 1980 is an EXCELLENT year to start this off, from my perspective.

Yeah, same for me. I probably became aware of my own tastes in 1979, but certainly by 1980. I already was into Kiss by then though.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 13, 2014, 12:56:02 PM
1980 was my first year into music really. I'm not a huge VH fan. So much filler on every album, and short albums too.
Unmasked is a huge favourite of mine. Quality songwriting,  could just have done with being produced a bit more rocking.
Not a big fan of Queen's The Game. The beginning of the end until Innuendo for me.
Can't fault most of the list there Brent but I would add Gillan's excellent Glory Road and UFO's No Place To Run.

Saxon's Wheels Of Steel and Strong Arm of The Law - 2 excellent albums in the same year. British Steel too. All these got lots of airplay with me.
I was a Motorhead fan in the early days - let's face it at the time there wasn't much competition.

ooh, Krokus' Metal Rendez-vous too. Not played that in an age. Going to rectify that now.

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 13, 2014, 01:26:07 PM
Try not to be too "critical" -  I'm hoping it'll be more of a good hearted discussion rather than taking pot shots/ analytical dissections of others' lists

No, it will all be in good fun.

Like many others I grew up in the 80s, born in 1970 I spent all my teenage years in the 80s with everything that goes with growing up  :hat And I discovered music, a lot of music.

Your list is pretty solid. Can't argue with Ozzy and AC/DC.
Huge Van Halen fan, but Women & Children isn't really that good. Cradle, Whiskey and Simple Rhyme are good and I even like Could This Be Magic, but the rest, sadly, is filler material. But this was the first VH vinyl I bought. The other VH records I had only on tape, recorded by a friend. The vinyl came with a large "DLR in tight pants in some sleazy pose" poster, I think this was more for the girls. I'd rather have a EVH poster, because he was (and is) on of my absolute guitar heroes.
Ready an' Willing is my favorite blues-rock-era Whitesnake record. So many good song with Ain't Gonna Cry No More being one of my favorite Whitesnake tunes ever.
I never really got into Saxon and Kiss so I can't really comment there. I would have added Motörhead and maybe Def Leppard.
And Triumph is a band where I heard the name but don't recall ever hearing any music. They were completely under my radar and I think they weren't that big in Germany.

Let's see what 1981 brings.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 13, 2014, 01:59:24 PM
1. Ozzy Osbourne : Blizzard of Ozz
2. AC/DC : Back In Black
3. Van Halen : Women and Children First
4. Michael Schenker Group: Michael Schenker Group
5. KISS : Unmasked
6. Saxon : Strong Arm Of The Law
7. Judas Priest: British Steel
8. Black Sabbath : Heaven and Hell
9. Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
10:Triumph: Progressions of Power


Strange, but I guess it's clear to me now that I didn't get into the early 80s hard rock/heavy metal stuff, as I only own Back in Black, Strong Arm of the Law (just recently thanks to TAC) and Progressions of Power.  Only know the 'hits' from all the other albums there.

Gonna listen to those albums, but in doing a favor for those of you that might participate in my upcoming roulette (you'll understand why when I start it), I'll refrain from listening to those that I don't know.
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Post by: Evermind on November 13, 2014, 02:04:36 PM
1. Ozzy Osbourne : Blizzard of Ozz
2. AC/DC : Back In Black
3. Van Halen : Women and Children First
4. Michael Schenker Group: Michael Schenker Group
5. KISS : Unmasked
6. Saxon : Strong Arm Of The Law
7. Judas Priest: British Steel
8. Black Sabbath : Heaven and Hell
9. Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
10:Triumph: Progressions of Power


Strange, but I guess it's clear to me now that I didn't get into the early 80s hard rock/heavy metal stuff, as I only own Back in Black, Strong Arm of the Law (just recently thanks to TAC) and Progressions of Power.  Only know the 'hits' from all the other albums there.

Gonna listen to those albums, but in doing a favor for those of you that might participate in my upcoming roulette (you'll understand why when I start it), I'll refrain from listening to those that I don't know.

You don't own Heaven and Hell? Whoa, that's unexpected.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
It was a great time in music.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
Chad, you need to check Heaven and Hell pronto.  It's essential in anyone's collection.

That's a good list Brent, although MSG was one band I always meant to check out.

My list would include Maiden, Priest, Thin Lizzy.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2014, 04:07:41 PM

My list would include Maiden, Priest, Thin Lizzy.

Priest was in there and Lizzy only just missed the cut.

Let's see what 1981 brings.

Confusion.............on what gem to listen to first  ;D   I'm just glad I don't have to include AOR classics too .   The contenders number around 25 (vs 15 for 1980) and I'm going to try and give most of them a partial listen before  finalising the list.  This is a bit of a can't win year......no way I'll keep everyone happy.   As with 1980 I'll try to apply some sort of weight to an album's influence on the world of music , along with what my faves are (which is still the main consideration).
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 13, 2014, 04:09:28 PM
You don't own Heaven and Hell? Whoa, that's unexpected.

Nope... in fact, Paranoid is the only Sabbath album I own.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2014, 04:26:13 PM
Didn't see Preist in there for some reason, good to see, such a classic album.

You don't own Heaven and Hell? Whoa, that's unexpected.

Nope... in fact, Paranoid is the only Sabbath album I own.

I think you would like the Dio stuff more than the Ozzy.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2014, 04:26:31 PM
WHAT IS THIS SORCERY?
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: WebRaider on November 13, 2014, 05:11:07 PM
Unmasked..... Women and Children First.... Slow year, huh? :lol Love both bands, but both albums are among their very weakest.
Agree with Ozzy and AC/DC at least. Both killer. :tup The rest of the choices are good too, I'm just not as familiar with some of them.

I don't rate Unmasked as near KISS's best but on the other hand I don't think it's as bad as a lot make out. 

As far as Women and Children First.......well you know how much I love VH.   If it didn't make No 1 there's a damn good reason  ;D   I think on that album they went a bit too far to the humour side and the music suffered.  But hey - it's still VH and still a good album.



WACF is really good stuff.. I mean Cradle, Everybody Wants Some!, Romeo Delight, Take Your Whiskey Home are all top notch IMO... I'm probably the biggest VH fanboy on the forum though cause I really don't rate much of their stuff as filler at all.

Heaven and Hell is too low for me but glad to see it listed as well.
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Post by: Big Hath on November 13, 2014, 07:04:32 PM
I'm in the process of making top 10 lists through the years for a different thread idea altogether.

My 1980 list also had Back In Black, Blizzard, Heaven and Hell.  And like others mentioned, it also had Permanent Waves (#1), Maiden s/t, Zenyatta Mondatta, Ace of Spades, and Duke.  The last two are the Blues Brothers soundtrack and Billy Joel's Glass Houses, neither of which even remotely fit the genre.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
I'm in the process of making top 10 lists through the years for a different thread idea altogether.

My 1980 list also had Back In Black, Blizzard, Heaven and Hell.  And like others mentioned, it also had Permanent Waves (#1), Maiden s/t, Zenyatta Mondatta, Ace of Spades, and Duke.  The last two are the Blues Brothers soundtrack and Billy Joel's Glass Houses, neither of which even remotely fit the genre.
Neither does Zenyatta Mondatta or Duke.

This is the Heavy Metal / Classic Hard Rock thread people!!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 14, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
Chad, you need to check Heaven and Hell pronto.  It's essential in anyone's collection.

That's a good list Brent, although MSG was one band I always meant to check out.

My list would include Maiden, Priest, Thin Lizzy.

Half the album is awesome - the other half not so. Join the awesome on this with the awesome on Mob Rules and you'd have one of the greatest albums ever - although some songs are very similar in style to ones on the other album.
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Post by: TAC on November 14, 2014, 01:37:46 PM
Chad, you need to check Heaven and Hell pronto.  It's essential in anyone's collection.

That's a good list Brent, although MSG was one band I always meant to check out.

My list would include Maiden, Priest, Thin Lizzy.

Half the album is awesome - the other half not so. Join the awesome on this with the awesome on Mob Rules and you'd have one of the greatest albums ever - although some songs are very similar in style to ones on the other album.
I completely agree, though I hold Heaven And Hell in higher regard than you. The only filler on it is Walk Away, and maybe Lady Evil. The rest of it is classic, though admittedly that's 25% of the album.
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Post by: TAC on November 14, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Good AC/DC article, speaking candidly about Malcolm.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/acdc-malcolm-young-phil-rudd-rock-or-bust-20141114
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on November 14, 2014, 03:36:12 PM
Chad, you need to check Heaven and Hell pronto.  It's essential in anyone's collection.

That's a good list Brent, although MSG was one band I always meant to check out.

My list would include Maiden, Priest, Thin Lizzy.

Half the album is awesome - the other half not so. Join the awesome on this with the awesome on Mob Rules and you'd have one of the greatest albums ever - although some songs are very similar in style to ones on the other album.
I completely agree, though I hold Heaven And Hell in higher regard than you. The only filler on it is Walk Away, and maybe Lady Evil. The rest of it is classic, though admittedly that's 25% of the album.

Walk Away would be the only filler.  Lady Evil is awesome.  There is more filler on Mob Rules IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 14, 2014, 04:00:50 PM
I agree about Mob Rules. If I'm ranking the songs on H&H, I put Lady Evil at #7. It's ok. Filler would be a little strong I guess.
In fact..Rankings!!
1. Heaven And Hell
2. Die Young
3. Lonely Is The Word
4. Children Of The Sea
5. Neon Knights
6. Wishing Well
7. Lady Evil
8. Walk Away
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on November 14, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
I agree about Mob Rules. If I'm ranking the songs on H&H, I put Lady Evil at #7. It's ok. Filler would be a little strong I guess.
In fact..Rankings!!
1. Heaven And Hell
2. Die Young
3. Lonely Is The Word
4. Children Of The Sea
5. Neon Knights
6. Wishing Well
7. Lady Evil
8. Walk Away

I'd probably go with this too actually.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 14, 2014, 06:06:39 PM
That's a good ranking, I would place Neon Knights behind Die Young.

As far as I'm concerned, there isn't any filler on H&H and Mob Rules. Two absolute classics!
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Post by: gazinwales on November 14, 2014, 06:52:10 PM
Pretty good version of Neon Knights sung in Finnish by someone we all know  :metal
https://youtu.be/8cKR3ibkwes
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 15, 2014, 05:16:03 AM

Half the album is awesome - the other half not so. Join the awesome on this with the awesome on Mob Rules and you'd have one of the greatest albums ever - although some songs are very similar in style to ones on the other album.

Sorta fits in with what I was saying above.........

I have the same issue with most Dio albums I own.   I love the guy's voice but I generally find there's maybe 3 songs I'd rate 11 out of 10 and another 3 or 4 that I rate as filler. Makes them hard albums to rate right at the top of a high quality list , even though the highs are godly.

As far as Heaven and Hell goes with rankings I'm pretty close to TAC and wolfking , except I have Neon higher.  For me , that one and the title track are the classics , Die Young and Lonely Is The Word are excellent and the rest is decent but relatively meh!

Almost through my 1981 listening - only 3 albums were set in stone at the top even before I started and the 4-10 spots were up for grabs.  It's a lot clearer after a good listen.
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Post by: TAC on November 15, 2014, 06:50:24 AM


Almost through my 1981 listening - only 3 albums were set in stone at the top even before I started and the 4-10 spots were up for grabs.  It's a lot clearer after a good listen.

Knowing you, you'll probably have Fair Warning up there, and Diary Of A Madman. You didn't include Permanent Waves, so I'm not sure how you view Moving Pictures, but I'd definitely put that in the 1981 Top 3.


Oh, and Thin Lizzy released Renegade on this day in 1981! :metal Damn..33 years!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 15, 2014, 12:12:01 PM
I agree about Mob Rules. If I'm ranking the songs on H&H, I put Lady Evil at #7. It's ok. Filler would be a little strong I guess.
In fact..Rankings!!
1. Heaven And Hell
2. Die Young
3. Lonely Is The Word
4. Children Of The Sea
5. Neon Knights
6. Wishing Well
7. Lady Evil
8. Walk Away
The awesome

1.Die Young
1. Children Of The Sea
1. Heaven And Hell
1. Neon Knights

The pretty good

5.Lonely Is the World

The average

6. Walk Away

Wishing Well

The poor with shit lyrics
Lady Evil
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 15, 2014, 01:04:38 PM
We're pretty close, bro.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 15, 2014, 01:47:41 PM
I think the top 5 songs are so good that it makes the average ones seem worse than they are. I listened to them seperately last night and missed out the classics and they were ok. Lady Evil is crap though even with the nod to Cliff Richard...
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 15, 2014, 10:52:28 PM


Knowing you, you'll probably have Fair Warning up there, and Diary Of A Madman. You didn't include Permanent Waves, so I'm not sure how you view Moving Pictures, but I'd definitely put that in the 1981 Top 3.


Oh, and Thin Lizzy released Renegade on this day in 1981! :metal Damn..33 years!


Good guess on VH and Ozzy - I'm not half predictable huh? -  couldn't separate them for No 1.  As far as Rush goes I find it hard to explain why I react to them so differently to all you guys when otherwise our tastes are often so close.  I made myself listen to Moving Pictures for the sake of this exercise and I had the same response I always have with Rush.   I found it listenable for the most part (although Geddy's voice does zero for me) but there was nothing I felt like playing again.  I enjoy the chord progressions in Tom Sawyer and Red Barchetta  etc....but the passages I enjoy - and there certainly are some - are too few and far between.  Aside from very limited moments like say the start of The Camera Eye  I also don't tend to get the feeling I'm "rocking" at all when I listen to Rush.   But I'm the same with bands like Yes and the whole 70's prog rock scene too so maybe that's no surprise.  I dunno.

My favourite track on Moving Pictures was YYZ 'cos Geddy kept quiet  ;D  Some very cool bass playing in there.

Anyway........I've tried hard to get on board with Rush and there's just no connection there at all for the most part.  And yet Images and Words (which is supposedly one of DT's most heavily Rush influenced albums) is close enough to my favourite album of all time.

Not sure if I'll keep doing it but for 1981 I have done a short intro and listed those that were actively considered but didn't quite make it........

1981

Well off we venture into what (for me) is the beginning of the golden decade of rock and metal and 1981 had more than its fair share of classics in all types of rock.   Even though not up for selection here I'd like to mention Journey's Escape and Foreigner's 4 - two all time classics from two all time classic bands/vocalists.  WTF moment goes to Queen with Flash Gordon and perhaps KISS with The Elder .   Back to the harder stuff .........

1981 saw a few bands produce good albums that still managed to drop off the pace they set in 1980 (AC/DC ,Judas Priest , Saxon , Black Sabbath, Whitesnake among others) , the arrival of a new force to be reckoned with (Motley Crue) and a couple of bands setting the foundations for upcoming legend status (Def Leppard and Iron Maiden).

Looking at the list of albums I considered was very imposing but giving them a good listen made things a lot clearer in terms of what appeals to me.  Motley's Too Fast For Love is often touted as THE classic of 1981.........not for me though.


TOP 10 ALBUMS OF 1981

1. Ozzy Osbourne: Diary Of A Madman (TIE)
1. Van Halen: Fair Warning (TIE)
3. Def Leppard: High'n'Dry
4. Triumph: Allied Forces
5. Demon : Night Of The Demon
6. Tygers Of Pan Tang : Spellbound
7. Rainbow: Difficult To Cure
8. Frank Marino: The Power of Rock and Roll
9. Michael Schenker Group: MSG
10. Sammy Hagar : Standing Hampton(TIE)
10. Viva: What The Hell Is Going On(TIE)


MADE THE SQUAD BUT MISSED THE TEAM (no particular order)

Thin Lizzy: Renegade - was headed for Top 6 based on the first half but the last few songs are a snooze.
Riot: Fire Down Under - juuuuust missed out.
Saxon : Denim and Leather
Whitesnake : Come And Get It
Iron Maiden : Killers
Black Sabbath: Mob Rules
Accept : Breaker
Blue Oyster Cult:  Fire Of Unknown Origin
Judas Priest: Point Of Entry
Praying Mantis : Time Tells No Lies
AC/DC: For Those About To Rock..
Rush : Moving Pictures  (only through peer pressure  ;D )
Motley Crue: Too Fast For love - aside from Livewire....meh!






For those wondering "Who the fuck is Viva?" they were a fairly obscure German metal band - main songwriter and keyboardist is Barbara Schenker , Michael's little sis'.




 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 15, 2014, 10:57:09 PM
Perfect top 2 picks. :tup
My next pick would have been Escape, but you've already said you're not counting that one.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Far be it from me to say anyone is wrong for anything in a top 10 list.  However, the glaring lack of Y&T's Earthshaker album is so criminally wrong that I can simply pray that God have mercy on your soul.

And I would have counted Escape as well.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 15, 2014, 11:52:52 PM
All of my top picks are included in either your top 10 or your HM's. Except for of course, Y&T. Earthshaker is an asskicker.

Rush, Sabbath, VH would be my top three. Brent, that will always be a strange one with yourself and Rush. Who knows, maybe one day lol.

I like Motley Crües debut, but I enjoy SATD twenty times more. Debut was a little too punky.

Diary is my favorite release overall from Ozzy.

Nice to see Triumph, MSG and Riot mentioned. All under appreciated gems.

I can tolerate Kiss' Elder release, but Creatures is 1000X better.

Priest will also turn it up a notch with their next release, but "desert plains" and "hot rockin" are two of my favorites.
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Post by: gazinwales on November 16, 2014, 02:15:48 AM
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Post by: wolfking on November 16, 2014, 02:30:49 AM
Brent, I'd probably make my entire top 10 from you HM's.  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 03:03:30 AM
Far be it from me to say anyone is wrong for anything in a top 10 list.  However, the glaring lack of Y&T's Earthshaker album is so criminally wrong that I can simply pray that God have mercy on your soul.

And I would have counted Escape as well.

When selecting the eligible bands I have tried to consider whether they best belong in this thread or the AOR thread .  When in doubt I have allowed them but to me bands like Journey and Foreigner are more associated with AOR than hard rock.

I had a feeling Y&T might come up - despite appearances I didn't forget them .  I love Y&T and Dave Meniketti but I have the same issue with them when it comes to ALBUM lists as I often do with Dio but even more so.

If I was to list my Top 100 bands Y&T would be higher than many in this list .   If I were to list my Top 500 rock songs Y&T would feature more than many in this list.  The trouble is that this list is about whole albums and I can't think of a band I like as much that has the amount of filler on their classic albums as Y&T do. 

As far as Earthshaker goes I rate Rescue Me , I Believe In You and Let Me Go as excellent and most of the rest as filler.  I'll begin praying :)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 03:13:08 AM

Priest will also turn it up a notch with their next release, but "desert plains" and "hot rockin" are two of my favorites.

Desert Plains and Hot Rockin' were 2 of the 3 songs I rated highly on POE - Desert Plains especially.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 03:19:45 AM
Brent, I'd probably make my entire top 10 from you HM's.  :lol

 ;D  That's why I included them ,so at least you'd know that they were close and had been rated high enough to come under consideration.    Motley Crue didn't meet my rating cutoff (75%) but it's so often mentioned as THE album of 1981 that I thought that I had better mention it.
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Post by: wolfking on November 16, 2014, 04:01:04 AM
Yeah, it's quality all round, can't go wrong with many of those.

Saying that, Ozzy would definitely be included in my list, top 5 probably.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 07:59:49 AM
Aahh 1981. For me, this is the greatest year of released music in my life.

The spring of 1981 was the end of my 7th grade and the in the fall I was starting 8th. For the record I would turn 13 in September of 1981. I spent most of 1981 with my Big 3 (AC/DC, Van Halen, & Rush). I had other favorites like Aerosmith, even Ozzy, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, basically culling what can be heard from the radio.

So while I would go back and discover a lot of these great '81 albums in the next couple years, two really stood out for me at the time when I heard them. Def Leppard's High n Dry and Michael Schenker's MSG. They both so greatly influenced me. Def Leppard cemented me being a heavy metal fan, and Schenker would eventually lead me to one of my greatests loves, UFO.

I also wanted to mention two albums not mentioned that I also had in 1981. Joe Perry's I've Got The Rock n Rolls Again, and Ted Nugent's Intensities In 10 Cities.

I could go on all day! :lol

Anyway a few more thoughts..

..Point Of Entry is terrible! Although Heading Out To The Highway and Dessert Plains are so damn epic!
..Brent, nice to see you mention the Tyger's Spellbound (with John Sykes). Didn't they release Crazy Nights in 1981 too? I would take 1980's Wild Cat over both. Surprised you didn't list that.
..I distinctly remember getting Too Fast For Love in the 9th grade which was the fall of 1982. Quick Wiki research tells me that it was in fact released independently in late 81, but not by Elecktra until August of 82. That's when I first heard of it.
..Great quality releases from AC/DC and Van Halen
..The Elder is a definite WTF moment, by my personal WTF moment goes to Alice Cooper for Special Forces.
..I think it would be OK to include Moving Pictures on this list as Hard Rock, but this would certainly be the last time they could be considered.

Anyway, my Top 10 is:
1. Michael Schenker-MSG
2. UFO- The Wild The Willing And The Innocent
3. Def Leppard- High n Dry
4. Ozzy Osbourne- Diary Of A Mad Man
5. Thin Lizzy- Renegade
6. Rush- Moving Pictures
7. Riot- Fire Down Under
8. Van Halen- Fair Warning
9. Iron Maiden- Killers
10. Black Sabbath- Mob Rules

But there are so many great albums to mention.
Y & T- Earthshaker (though Black Tiger and Mean Streak are both much better!)
Saxon- Denim & Leather
Rainbow- Difficult To Cure
Blackfoot- Marauder
Triumph- Allied Forces

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 08:20:49 AM
Cool thoughts TAC - looks like I got most things covered.  I was 6yo at the time so this is all working backwards for me  ;D

As far as Tygers go , yes I believe they were rushed back into the studio by the label in '81 to do Crazy Nights.  Not as good from memory.   I have little memory of Wild Cat but I believe it was a bit "punkish" and had a much rougher vocalist than Deverill.  Perhaps a bit more in the Motorhead vein and I don't like Motorhead much (although you still gotta love Lemmy  ;D  ) Also no Sykes so I never expected to like it.  Will check it out if you think it's their best.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 08:23:27 AM
Oh.........and the original 1981 Too Fast For Love is generally known as the Leathur Records release and has one extra track that didn't make the Elektra release (Stick To Your Guns)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 08:27:12 AM
I bought Wild Cat and Spellbound (on vinyl) together. You are right. Jess Cox was a lot less polished than Jon Deveril. Still there's an energy on Wild Cat that is missing from both Spellbound and Crazy Nights. Spellbound has a much cleaner sound, but the aggressiveness is not there. The playing is good enough, but the life is sucked out of it. None of those albums have really aged that well  :lol so I doubt you are going to suddenly fall in love with Wild Cat..

I'd put Jess Cox closer to Paul Dianno than Lemmy though.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 08:38:28 AM
Oh, and I'm not sure how, but I forgot one of my all time 1981 favorite albums. Lucifer's Friend's Mean Machine!!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 16, 2014, 08:50:20 AM
I was 9/10 years old in '81, and still hadn't really 'discovered' rock music.  From this list (and the HMs), many still slipped under my radar even when, in my teens, I started going back and discovering all the stuff I missed.  Allied Forces is the only one that I actually own, but used to own Fair Warning and High 'N Dry.  The rest... probably know a few songs here and there, but not much.  From your HMs Brent, obviously I know Moving Pictures (#8 of all time for me), but also have For Those About to Rock, Too Fast For Love, Denim and Leather... and did have a listen to Fire of Unknown Origin during the BOC discog discussion.

I know ...  :o
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 09:02:22 AM
I was 9/10 years old in '81, and still hadn't really 'discovered' rock music. 
1981 was really my "coming of age" year for music. What's great about it was that I was musically conscious as it was happening, and within a couple years later, I discovered all these great albums that were also released in 1981.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 09:06:14 AM
Also conspicuously absent from any mention is Scorpions Animal Magnetism. I was thinking it was an 81 album, but it's actually an 80 album. It's easily their weakest of their classic albums.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 09:10:45 AM
Also conspicuously absent from any mention is Scorpions Animal Magnetism. I was thinking it was an 81 album, but it's actually an 80 album. It's easily their weakest of their classic albums.

Aside from The Zoo there's very little I like on that album - wouldn't have made the cut for an HM.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 09:17:51 AM
Also conspicuously absent from any mention is Scorpions Animal Magnetism. I was thinking it was an 81 album, but it's actually an 80 album. It's easily their weakest of their classic albums.

Aside from The Zoo there's very little I like on that album - wouldn't have made the cut for an HM.

I agree. Such a step down from Lovedrive, and I KNOW Blackout is making the Top 10 of 1982! ;)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on November 16, 2014, 09:45:08 AM
The Scorps are an inconsistent band to me. Lots of great tunes, but duds to go along with them
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 09:46:47 AM
The Scorps are an inconsistent band to me. Lots of great tunes, but duds to go along with them

I agree............I tend to find some of their modern albums more consistent.  Humanity : Hour 1 is a bit of a gem.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 10:07:41 AM
The Scorps are an inconsistent band to me. Lots of great tunes, but duds to go along with them

I agree............I tend to find some of their modern albums more consistent.  Humanity : Hour 1 is a bit of a gem.
You do?? Humanity is the only decent thing they've released since Crazy World.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 10:09:12 AM
"Some" was one or two  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 16, 2014, 01:09:16 PM
A pretty good year. I can't disagree with many of the albums listed, although I've never heard of Viva and I wasn't a fan of early Accept or Tygers Of Pantang.

Diary is my favourite Ozzy album and I love The Elder, Point Of Entry and Earthshaker.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 01:24:18 PM
Breaker was pretty good, but it was recorded pretty poorly. Would love to hear a modern rerecording of it. There are some great songs on it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 16, 2014, 01:53:27 PM
Breaker was pretty good, but it was recorded pretty poorly. Would love to hear a modern rerecording of it. There are some great songs on it.

I would need it without Udo on it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2014, 04:13:50 PM
I just searched for something hilarious you once used to describe Udo but it seems to have been edited out Paul  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 16, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
Bosk, Lowdz needs an avatar change to this guy:
(https://popdose.com/wp-content/uploads/UDO-Feature1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on November 16, 2014, 07:43:56 PM
I don't think UDO will ever be described as an amazing singer, but his voice fit Accept perfectly.

Breaker is an excellent disc and the opening three tracks are killer!
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Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2014, 04:40:12 AM
UDO is the man, love him.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 17, 2014, 10:09:20 AM
Should have 1982 up late tomorrow.........
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 17, 2014, 12:48:42 PM
Should have 1982 up late tomorrow.........

Looking forward to it. A big step down from 1981, but some real good, and a couple great releases.
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2014, 01:01:45 PM
So after hearing the first two tracks from the new AC/DC album, I am planning on picking this up. Standard AC/DC. The title tracks sounds like it could've come off Flick Of The Switch.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 17, 2014, 01:42:09 PM
I love Y&T and Dave Meniketti but I have the same issue with them when it comes to ALBUM lists as I often do with Dio but even more so.

If I was to list my Top 100 bands Y&T would be higher than many in this list .   If I were to list my Top 500 rock songs Y&T would feature more than many in this list.  The trouble is that this list is about whole albums and I can't think of a band I like as much that has the amount of filler on their classic albums as Y&T do. 

You know, I actually cannot fault this reasoning one bit.  That's completely fair.  Personally, I think Earthshaker is easily the strongest of their early albums in that regard, but I still cannot strongly disagree with you in general.  I will say, however, that IMO that was true of most of the bands of that era for me.  Seems like most bands would put out albums where 1/3 to 1/2 of the songs were really solid, and the rest would feel like filler.  Oh well.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 17, 2014, 01:48:00 PM
I love Y&T and Dave Meniketti but I have the same issue with them when it comes to ALBUM lists as I often do with Dio but even more so.

If I was to list my Top 100 bands Y&T would be higher than many in this list .   If I were to list my Top 500 rock songs Y&T would feature more than many in this list.  The trouble is that this list is about whole albums and I can't think of a band I like as much that has the amount of filler on their classic albums as Y&T do. 

You know, I actually cannot fault this reasoning one bit.  That's completely fair.  Personally, I think Earthshaker is easily the strongest of their early albums in that regard, but I still cannot strongly disagree with you in general.  I will say, however, that IMO that was true of most of the bands of that era for me.  Seems like most bands would put out albums where 1/3 to 1/2 of the songs were really solid, and the rest would feel like filler.  Oh well.
I don't think that ratio is specific to just that era (for all bands).

Bosk, I find both Black Tiger and Mean Streak better. My issue with Y&T isn't the filler, but the juvenileness of the filler.

Oh, and that's what I love about The Best Of Y&T '81-'85. They actually choose the best songs. Ecxept for the glaring ommission of Lonely Side Of Town.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 17, 2014, 01:57:43 PM
I think the filler issue is far worse now with bands feeling the need to fill out 70+ minutes whether they have the quality songs or not.  I much preferred an old tape with 20 minutes of quality on each side.   Sure it wasn't always like that but in my experience it happened a lot more often before CDs arrived.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 17, 2014, 02:00:10 PM
I think the filler issue is far worse now with bands feeling the need to fill out 70+ minutes whether they have the quality songs or not.  I much preferred an old tape with 20 minutes of quality on each side.   Sure it wasn't always like that but in my experience it happened a lot more often before CDs arrived.

I know you're a big Van Halen fan, but once you removed the filler from their albums, you are left with about 20 minutes worth of awesome music! :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 17, 2014, 02:01:03 PM
Wash your mouth out .......
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on November 17, 2014, 02:06:21 PM
My issue with Y&T isn't the filler, but the juvenileness of the filler.

Normally, I couldn't fault you this one either...except when comparing them to a lot of the other bands we are discussing.  I mean...Van Halen?  Sammy?  Scorpions?  I think that criticism applies across the board, don't you?
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
My issue with Y&T isn't the filler, but the juvenileness of the filler.

Normally, I couldn't fault you this one either...except when comparing them to a lot of the other bands we are discussing.  I mean...Van Halen?  Sammy?  Scorpions?  I think that criticism applies across the board, don't you?

True, but for some reason Y&T was able to achive such heights on so many songs.  I would think that they were hitting another level and then bam, they cut their legs out from underneath themselves.  This is what I love about Mean Streak.
Scorpions is a good comparison too.
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Post by: Lowdz on November 17, 2014, 03:08:48 PM
I just searched for something hilarious you once used to describe Udo but it seems to have been edited out Paul  :lol

Something to do with him sounding like a big drunk camp German bloke?  :biggrin:
Ruined a potentially great band for me. Far better now even though the new guy sounds quite similar.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 17, 2014, 03:11:33 PM
I just searched for something hilarious you once used to describe Udo but it seems to have been edited out Paul  :lol

Something to do with him sounding like a big drunk camp German bloke?  :biggrin:
Ruined a potentially great band for me. Far better now even though the new guy sounds quite similar.

That's too bad. They were (are) a great band. Too bad you can't enjoy them. I have a similar issue with King Diamond.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 17, 2014, 03:51:24 PM


Something to do with him sounding like a big drunk camp German bloke?  :biggrin:


That's the one.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on November 17, 2014, 05:02:49 PM
I love Y&T and Dave Meniketti but I have the same issue with them when it comes to ALBUM lists as I often do with Dio but even more so.

If I was to list my Top 100 bands Y&T would be higher than many in this list .   If I were to list my Top 500 rock songs Y&T would feature more than many in this list.  The trouble is that this list is about whole albums and I can't think of a band I like as much that has the amount of filler on their classic albums as Y&T do. 

You know, I actually cannot fault this reasoning one bit.  That's completely fair.  Personally, I think Earthshaker is easily the strongest of their early albums in that regard, but I still cannot strongly disagree with you in general.  I will say, however, that IMO that was true of most of the bands of that era for me.  Seems like most bands would put out albums where 1/3 to 1/2 of the songs were really solid, and the rest would feel like filler.  Oh well.
I don't think that ratio is specific to just that era (for all bands).

Bosk, I find both Black Tiger and Mean Streak better. My issue with Y&T isn't the filler, but the juvenileness of the filler.

Oh, and that's what I love about The Best Of Y&T '81-'85. They actually choose the best songs. Ecxept for the glaring ommission of Lonely Side Of Town.

Lonely Side of Town is an outstanding song
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Post by: TAC on November 17, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
Yes it is, and it's my only beef with an otherwise great Best Of CD.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 18, 2014, 06:26:56 AM
So....1982 -  I'll keep the format as for 1981 as that seemed to work okay.  I should point out that for each year there's probably another 15 or 20 albums that I'm checking out in addition to those mentioned in the posts.  All the ones I mention have met the criteria for at least an HM .   I'm making sure to check out a whole heap of extra albums that are widely recognised as classics/underground classics (which I either don't like /own ) just to make sure they are in fact shithouse  ;D  In 1982 that included albums by bands like Venom,Witchfinder General,Anvil,Hanoi Rocks,Sammy Hagar, Manowar , Trance, Rose Tattoo and Riot.  There are of course a few good albums that just miss the 75% rating cut off for an honourable mention **


I need to make sure I have all my bases covered with such a knowledgeable audience  ;)


**I'm sorry to say TAC that Scorpions: Breakout was one of those - like jj said I just find most of their albums to have a fair dose of filler.  Bosk1 , on the other hand , will be pleased to see Y&T made the cut on this occasion with an album that I find much more consistent than Earthshaker.


I should also give a nod to KISS: Killers.  I haven't placed that album here but I did mention it in my Top 50.  It is quite possibly the most important album ever for me - it was my first album of any kind and all I listened to from 1982 -1984 (7-9 yo) .  It's a "best of "compilation with 4 extra tracks exclusive to that album and was only released in Australia, Europe and Japan. The extra tracks include a couple of my all time faves.  So all things being equal it should probably be number one on this list , but I decided in this instance to exclude it .

1982


1982 was quite a strong year at the top of the list but outside of that ..........not so good.   There were a few notable moments in rock/metal history - we had KISS don the makeup for the last time in their classic era and perhaps THE moment was the arrival of Bruce Dickinson in Iron Maiden.  Aerosmith recorded their only Perry-less album and surprised with what may well be their hardest rocking effort ever - perhaps their last hard rocking album period.

In terms of music that has played a big part in my life the biggest moment of 1982 was the tragic death of Randy Rhoads.   I wasn't aware of Ozzy or Randy in 1982 but after I became a fan aged 12 in 1986 I quickly worked my way back and became a big fan.  It is speculated that Randy would've left Ozzy soon after anyway and in some ways that's ideal because I am a huge Jake E Lee fan too and would've loved the chance to see what Randy did independently.   Anyway..........I have included Speak Of The Devil in the list below which is one of very few live albums in my collection (less than a dozen).  I'm sure all you guys know it - the tour that followed Randy's death with Brad Gillis , Rudy Sarzo and Tommy Aldridge.  It was my first introduction to the music of Black Sabbath and has some cool rocked up versions of Sabbath classics.  I've also just ordered the DVD (released officially not so long ago) which captures the same tour but , unlike the CD, focuses almost exclusively on the songs from Blizzard and Diary.

Before any old maidens get into me about the position of The Number Of The Beast being too low I'll address that.   I've never been a big time Maiden fan and anyone who knows me would be surprised to see them mentioned in any Top 10 list of mine.   I enjoy their absolute best songs when I hear them but I had never actually bought an Iron Maiden album until recently.  So it's a big nod from me to have the album in the Top 10 at all -  almost like TAC listing Winger's Pull album because he just has to admit it's pretty damn good  ;D  Of course it doesn't hurt that a number of their best songs are on this album and so I've given it the kudos I think it deserves and a little bit of a boost above what I would rate it normally due to it's importance to metal in general.

Van Halen's Diver Down may also be controversial (rated too high).  I think in the context of an album that was written and recorded in no time flat after Warners demanded an album pronto to back the unexpected success of (Oh)Pretty Woman it's a pretty fine effort.  Sure it's half covers and short interludes but the new songs (Hang Em High, Secrets, Little Guitars, The Full Bug) are up there with much of the rest of their catalogue.  I'm a sucker for any classic VH unless it's dire and I don't think Diver Down is as bad as many make out.

Aside from those two , I struggle to see too much that's controversial.  Could be wrong though  :D  It goes without saying that Paul will be sick at the mention of Glenn Hughes...........but he'll recover  :D

TOP 10 ALBUMS OF 1982

1.Gary Moore: Corridors of Power
2. KISS : Creatures of the Night
3. Judas Priest; Screaming For Vengeance
4. Van Halen : Diver Down
5. Ozzy Osborne: Speak Of The Devil (live)
6. Whitesnake: Saints and Sinners
7. Iron Maiden : The Number of the Beast
8 Hughes/Thrall:  Hughes/Thrall
9 Y&T : Black Tiger
10. Michael Schenker Group: Assault Attack
 




MADE THE SQUAD BUT NOT THE TEAM
Mama's Boys: Plug It In
Vandenberg: Vandenberg 
Krokus: One Vice At A Time
Aerosmith: Rock In A Hard Place
Rainbow: Straight between The Eyes
Twisted Sister: Under The Blade
Accept: Restless and Wild
Frank Marino: Juggernaut



Over to you guys...........
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 18, 2014, 06:34:43 AM
:tup No omissions that I can think of (in the genre, that is), but not the most exciting year for me for hard rock/metal.

Creatures is great, as is TNOTB, but again another VH album I'm not particularly fond of (aside from Dancin' in the Street and Pretty Woman, it's a lost cause), and only an average early Whitesnake album. Screaming for Vengeance is cool from what I remember, but I haven't gotten much into Priest.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 18, 2014, 08:08:04 AM
Thanks Blob and fair enough re Diver Down.  You're with the majority in not rating it.

From here the pace will slow a bit.   I'll be rating and listening just as hard but from mid 80's to early 90's the number of candidates is going to go ballistic .  I'll also likely need to increase the rating floor for an HM to 80% and then 85% or 90% later just to keep the list manageable.  Rest assured that I'll be covering just about anything that makes noise but the number I mention in the thread as a % of the good albums will inevitably fall.   There was just a ridiculous amount of top notch material from say 1984 to 1992.

Thankfully the number of albums I have already rated properly will also increase from here.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 18, 2014, 08:22:01 AM
There was just a ridiculous amount of top notch material from say 1984 to 1992.

And that'll be the point where I can jump in the fray. My metal collection from the early 80s is woefully inadequate. Saints n Sinners and # of the Beast are all that I have from he above.  :blush
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on November 18, 2014, 09:26:18 AM
You have pretty much everything covered there Brent. I would definetely say that Creatures is my favorite release by far from Kiss. It's cool that you like Killers too; I find out of the 1000 best of releases from Kiss, that Killers is the best of them. The four new tracks on that release make it standout.

Priest and Maiden rule and I have no problem with Diver Down. Lots of people do and it probably pertains to the album having joke songs, interludes and covers; and being very short. But like you, I really love the first 6 VH albums and still find DD enjoyable. With that being said, there is no question it's the worst of the six.

The only omissions that I would include are the live releases from Sabbath and Saxon; Live Evil and Eagle has Landed. And I'm sure the release may be controversial, but I would still need to include Signals. Subdivisions is such an awesome song. Plus I would give a nod to a lesser known band from Canada, Coney Hatch. Very underrated hard rock band, they should have been much bigger.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 18, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Thanks jj - I'll check out the debut Coney Hatch.   I have Friction (1985) and rate that quite highly
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 18, 2014, 11:37:51 AM
Thanks jj - I'll check out the debut Coney Hatch.   I have Friction (1985) and rate that quite highly

You don't have the first 2 Brent? For shame. Both are better than Friction, though they really shouldn't let the bass player sing the odd song  :biggrin:

Don't Say Make Me from the 2nd album is one of my favourite songs ever.

as gfar as KISS best ofs go, its Double Platinum all the way for me. Only Im A Legend Tonite and Nowhere To Run were worth it out of the new songs on Killers.

Bruce joining Maiden is one of those pivotal moments in music history!

As far as omissions Magnum's Chase The Dragon is a classic. ManOwaR's Battle Hymns is half awesome. UFO's Mechanix would be on my list - very overlooked album.

And I can't believe you left out the Split Beaver album... :biggrin:

That top 10 is pretty awesome - the HMs are a bit hit and miss for me. Only the Mama's Boys and Rainbow would make my list.

And how strange to think how few albums were released in those days compared to now...
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 18, 2014, 11:53:26 AM
No honorable mention for Never Surrender?  On second thought... nah, it's their worst album of the 80s.

Also, not the right genre, but a shout out MUST go to Thriller. 
:billiejean:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 18, 2014, 12:29:20 PM

As far as omissions Magnum's Chase The Dragon is a classic. ManOwaR's Battle Hymns is half awesome. UFO's Mechanix would be on my list - very overlooked album.


All of those were considered.   I owned only the UFO but did track them all down to listen for the exercise.  UFO was borderline HM so good one there, although I get the feeling that I have never connected with that band quite like you have.........Manowar - I thought the title track was good and that's about it.    Magnum on the whole I think are over rated (and barely hard rock much of the time) but I do really like a song or three off a number of their albums with the biggest numbers being around OASTN, Vigilante and Wings Of Heaven. So they might do better in that timeframe. Much of their latter day output especially I find a snooze.   I will be re-listening to all their stuff along the way to be sure but Chase The Dragon was just rated as decent -high 60's- with a few very good(but no real standout) tracks for me.  Faves were The Spirit, Sacred Hour and The Teacher,.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 18, 2014, 12:47:12 PM

Also, not the right genre, but a shout out MUST go to Thriller. 
:billiejean:

Definitely - EVH played on it  :tup   ;D
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Post by: Lowdz on November 18, 2014, 01:36:03 PM
Fair enough Brent. Magnum were very English and I struggled with them pre Storyteller's tbh. I've grown to love CTD, and especially the remaster with one of their best songs, Back To Earth on it. How this was left off the original is beyond me. All the songs on here are far better live, but Soldier Of The Line, sacred Hour, The Spirit, The Lights Burned Out, On The Edge Of The World - great songs, they do struggle a bit to escape from the dull production/mix.

And with ManOwaR I prefer the epics - Dark Avenger (I have great memories of air guitaring to this in a rock club in Manchester with a young   lady half my age... :heart), and Battle Hymn. Eric Adams has a fantastic voice.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 18, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
Fair enough Brent. Magnum were very English and I struggled with them pre Storyteller's tbh. I've grown to love CTD, and especially the remaster with one of their best songs, Back To Earth on it. How this was left off the original is beyond me. All the songs on here are far better live, but Soldier Of The Line, sacred Hour, The Spirit, The Lights Burned Out, On The Edge Of The World - great songs, they do struggle a bit to escape from the dull production/mix.

And with ManOwaR I prefer the epics - Dark Avenger (I have great memories of air guitaring to this in a rock club in Manchester with a young   lady half my age... :heart), and Battle Hymn. Eric Adams has a fantastic voice.

My listen did have Back To Earth (live) on it and I did like that too. 

I agree re Eric Adams but they rarely nail it with the music for me, especially with the early albums (which seems to be considered their best stuff by the fans)   It doesn't seem to be that highly rated but for mine Kings Of Metal is the one album where they nailed it , even allowing for the usual overdose on cheese.
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Post by: Lowdz on November 18, 2014, 01:48:45 PM
Fair enough Brent. Magnum were very English and I struggled with them pre Storyteller's tbh. I've grown to love CTD, and especially the remaster with one of their best songs, Back To Earth on it. How this was left off the original is beyond me. All the songs on here are far better live, but Soldier Of The Line, sacred Hour, The Spirit, The Lights Burned Out, On The Edge Of The World - great songs, they do struggle a bit to escape from the dull production/mix.

And with ManOwaR I prefer the epics - Dark Avenger (I have great memories of air guitaring to this in a rock club in Manchester with a young   lady half my age... :heart), and Battle Hymn. Eric Adams has a fantastic voice.



My listen did have Back To Earth (live) on it and I did like that too. 

I agree re Eric Adams but they rarely nail it with the music for me, especially with the early albums (which seems to be considered their best stuff by the fans)   It doesn't seem to be that highly rated but for mine Kings Of Metal is the one album where they nailed it , even allowing for the usual overdose on cheese.

Good album but I started to lose interest after that one. Short albums with some filler. Hmm, sounds like another band we've been talking about?  :biggrin:
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Post by: TAC on November 18, 2014, 02:03:26 PM
but again another VH album I'm not particularly fond of (aside from Dancin' in the Street and Pretty Woman, it's a lost cause),
Um..Dancin' In The Street and Pretty Woman make this a lost cause! ;D

No honorable mention for Never Surrender?
I like Never Surrender. When The Lights Go Down  :metal

Only Im A Legend Tonite and Nowhere To Run were worth it out of the new songs on Killers.
Good tunes!

Plus I would give a nod to a lesser known band from Canada, Coney Hatch. Very underrated hard rock band, they should have been much bigger.
I'll give them a nod, but that's about it. I bought their debut because they were opening for Maiden the following year and I wanted to familiarize myself with them. Their debut is not really that great if I'm being honest.
But good call on The Eagle Has Landed! :tup


My Top 10 would be:
1. Iron Maiden- The Number Of The Beast
2. Gary Moore- Corridors Of Power
3. Judas Priest- Screaming For Vengeance
4. UFO- Mechanix
5. Y&T -Black Tiger
6. Michael Schenker-Assault Attack
7. Aerosmith-Rock In A Hard Place
8. Scorpions- Blackout
9. Rainbow- Straight Between The Eyes
10. Riot- Restless Breed

* Two albums just missing my list are Restless And Wild and Creatures.

* I actually bought the Hughes/Thrall album back then, and it was just OK. Probably better than Whitford/St. Holmes though.

* I had the Mama's Boys album too. Bought it on Import. Listened to it quite a bit. 

* And even though Diver Down is easily the weakest of the Original Six, I played the shit out of it when it came out.

* Loved Krokus too.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 18, 2014, 02:12:45 PM
Good list TAC - although I thought the Riot was pretty average.
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Post by: TAC on November 18, 2014, 02:16:44 PM
Good list TAC - although I thought the Riot was pretty average.

Yes, I agree. It was my first exposure to them and the first one I bought. It would be a considerable step down from Fire Down Under and Narita. Born In America would be much better. But at the time, I really enjoyed it. Lotsa good albums there though. Could easily switch places with Krokus, Accept, or even Kiss.
But the list basically being my favorites, it was an important album for me.

And I still love Rock In A Hard Place.
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Post by: wolfking on November 18, 2014, 02:44:15 PM
Fuck yeah, I just listened to Corridors of Power the other week, it's incredible.
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Post by: TAC on November 18, 2014, 02:59:41 PM
Fuck yeah, I just listened to Corridors of Power the other week, it's incredible.

It really is. If anyone reading this thread does not have it, they need to get it ASAP!
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Post by: wolfking on November 18, 2014, 03:06:16 PM
Fuck yeah, I just listened to Corridors of Power the other week, it's incredible.

It really is. If anyone reading this thread does not have it, they need to get it ASAP!

Absolutely.  I'm expecting Run For Cover to get a mention.  Gary's whole 80's run is just amazing rock all round.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 18, 2014, 03:07:35 PM
I know I'm likely in the minority here, but I can't stand Aerosmith. Like zero from them
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Post by: TAC on November 18, 2014, 03:12:41 PM
I know I'm likely in the minority here, but I can't stand Aerosmith. Like zero from them
Really? as in ZERO??
There's a lot not to like, but just about evrything up through (and including) Done With Mirrors is pretty solid.
I'm surprised to hear this.
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Post by: wolfking on November 18, 2014, 03:13:54 PM
I know I'm likely in the minority here, but I can't stand Aerosmith. Like zero from them

I definitely am with you.  Everything I've heard from them I haven't liked at all, but saying that, I haven't checked out much o their work at all.  How does their hits compare to other work?
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Post by: TAC on November 18, 2014, 03:30:57 PM
I know I'm likely in the minority here, but I can't stand Aerosmith. Like zero from them

I definitely am with you.  Everything I've heard from them I haven't liked at all, but saying that, I haven't checked out much o their work at all.  How does their hits compare to other work?

If someone doesn't already like Aerosmith, I don't know how I would convince them otherwise. Steven Tyler is basically a charicature of himself, and Joe Perry looks ridiculous trying to look cool, but classic (70's) Aerosmith is really good straight up rock. I think their 2nd album (74's Get Your Wings) and their 4th album (76's Rocks) are hard rock essentials. Toys In The Attic is widely considered one of their best, but for me, I don't really agree. I'll take the other two.
But my favorite Aerosmith album is 79's Night In The Ruts. Made during a pretty drugged up time, it is easily their heaviest album. Most people consider it one of their worst albums, but I love it.
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Post by: wolfking on November 18, 2014, 03:42:56 PM
You're right, I doubt I'll ever like them, but I might have a listen to those couple of earlier ones.
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Post by: TAC on November 18, 2014, 03:52:32 PM
Two awesome tunes from Night In The Ruts:

Bone To Bone (Coney Island White Fish Boy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29jeUXj8g0Y

Think About It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=our2czoz5IU
Has an absolutely smoking guitar solo section.
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Post by: wolfking on November 18, 2014, 04:04:33 PM
Yeah, those songs were cool enough, but not enough for me to get into them.
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Post by: TAC on November 18, 2014, 04:09:15 PM
Yeah, those songs were cool enough, but not enough for me to get into them.

That's cool.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 18, 2014, 04:19:44 PM
Aerosmith on drugs = awesomeness

Aerosmith off drugs = just ok.

Pump is the best of the latter albums but the early years were magical.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 18, 2014, 09:18:18 PM
I'll give them some credit, their rollar coaster is awesome though
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 19, 2014, 05:31:19 AM
I'll give them some credit, their rollar coaster is awesome though

 :tup :tup  The two albums after Permanent Vacation (Pump, and Get a Grip) were pretty excellent - the ballads notwithstanding.  I only know the early stuff through Pandora's Box.  Been a while since I pulled that out.
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 05:41:20 AM
Pump was actually pretty good. Much heavier than Permanent Vacation.
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 07:24:00 AM
Fuck yeah, I just listened to Corridors of Power the other week, it's incredible.

It really is. If anyone reading this thread does not have it, they need to get it ASAP!

Absolutely.  I'm expecting Run For Cover to get a mention.  Gary's whole 80's run is just amazing rock all round.

I followed Gary Moore through the 80's very closely. His best stuff was early on. I love the whole run of Corridors/Dirty Fingers/ Rockin' Every Night-Live In Japan. Victims was good enough.
I was actually disappointed with Run For Cover. There's some filler, and as awesome as Glen Hughes was, particularly on All Messed Up, I would just prefer to hear Gary sing it. Still Out In The Fields and Military Man make it a winner.
Also, though it has aged well, I wasn't in love with Wild Frontier when it came out, but was very happy with After The War.

I just did my 1983 Top 10. Lots of great albums being left out and will have to settle as Honorable Mentions. Actually I have a 10 way tie for #10! ;D
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Post by: bosk1 on November 19, 2014, 09:05:36 AM
I am...okay with these lists.  :biggrin:

If it was me, I would definitely have to include Blackout.  To me, that is one of the great all time rock albums.  No One Like You and the title track are pure Scorpions classics (and general hard rock classics, for that matter).  And the album follows up those two monster songs with a bunch of pretty strong "second tier" songs that are pretty great too in Can't Live Without You, You Give Me All I Need, Dynamite, When the Smoke Is Going Down, and the often-overlooked but pretty awesome deep cut China White.  Honestly, the only songs I would consider filler on this album (and can't even really remember how they go) are Now! and Arizona.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 19, 2014, 09:08:48 AM

If it was me, I would definitely have to include Blackout.  To me, that is one of the great all time rock albums.  No One Like You and the title track are pure Scorpions classics (and general hard rock classics, for that matter).

And there you have the only two tracks on the album that I return to regularly. Can't Live Without You is also pretty good.
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 09:12:14 AM
I am...okay with these lists.  :biggrin:

If it was me, I would definitely have to include Blackout.  To me, that is one of the great all time rock albums.  No One Like You and the title track are pure Scorpions classics (and general hard rock classics, for that matter).  And the album follows up those two monster songs with a bunch of pretty strong "second tier" songs that are pretty great too in Can't Live Without You, You Give Me All I Need, Dynamite, When the Smoke Is Going Down, and the often-overlooked but pretty awesome deep cut China White.  Honestly, the only songs I would consider filler on this album (and can't even really remember how they go) are Now! and Arizona.
China White is awesome. Such a sinister riff! The only song I don't care for off of Blackout is Arizona.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 19, 2014, 09:15:48 AM
Probably my favorite song on the album after the big two.
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Post by: WebRaider on November 19, 2014, 12:12:40 PM
Yeah I'd probably have Blackout in there. Diver Down is probably the least fav of the classic Dave era VH but it definitely would be in my top 10 too.
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Post by: Lowdz on November 19, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
I know I'm likely in the minority here, but I can't stand Aerosmith. Like zero from them

I can't stand their 70s output and only really like Permanent Vacation, Pump and parts of Get A Grip.
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Post by: Lowdz on November 19, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
Gary Moore was a big favourite of mine and I saw him live countless times. I was a big fan from CoP onwards but I was disappointed with After The War. A coouple of decent tracks but the title track was an attempt to write out In The Fields again and there was alot of filler.Enjoyed the blues albums but it got old very fast after the first 2.

Blackout is a pretty good album but I'm really a greatest hits/ live album fan when it comes to Scorpions. Savage Amusement and Crazy World were really good though.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 19, 2014, 12:25:05 PM
Gary Moore was a big favourite of mine and I saw him live countless times. I was a big fan from CoP onwards but I was disappointed with After The War. A coouple of decent tracks but the title track was an attempt to write out In The Fields again and there was alot of filler.Enjoyed the blues albums but it got old very fast after the first 2.

Blackout is a pretty good album but I'm really a greatest hits/ live album fan when it comes to Scorpions. Savage Amusement and Crazy World were really good though.

Agree with every word (except I never saw Gary live   :'(  )
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 12:57:24 PM
I think I'm the exact opposite from you guys sometimes. I thought After The War was great as it was rocking after the relatively soft Wild Frontier.

Savage Amusement and Crazy World are decent enough, but the run Taken By Force through Love At First Sting (minus An Mag) is pretty strong.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 19, 2014, 01:21:49 PM
As we get into the mid-late 80's I think opinions are going to diverge even more.  So far I think we've been about as consensus-like as you could get in a group of rock/metal fans , but I think some of us embraced the "hair metal" side while others stayed "true metal" to the core  :D

I possibly would've been more into bands like early Scorps and Maiden if I'd grown up with them but during the 80's - my school years -  (Ozzy WASP and Queensryche aside) I was pretty much purely hard rock/hair metal and most of that didn't start until around 1986.   It wasn't until the late 80's/early 90's that I began to really get into prog metal and then the "classic metal" side of things was last , inspired by Painkiller most likely .   Some even recent days  :lol  ..........I really like Revelations by Maiden now I've heard it  :laugh: .

Another big factor from my point of view is total lack of radio play for a lot of these bands.  I don't know about other countries but the only Scorpions song I have EVER heard on mainstream radio is Winds of Change.   If they toured here they'd be doing pub gigs or supporting Steel Panther  :D


And Kade.........hope everything's okay in those storms.  Looks pretty wild up there.
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Post by: Lowdz on November 19, 2014, 01:34:03 PM
I think I'm the exact opposite from you guys sometimes. I thought After The War was great as it was rocking after the relatively soft Wild Frontier.

Savage Amusement and Crazy World are decent enough, but the run Taken By Force through Love At First Sting (minus An Mag) is pretty strong.

There's bound to be some differences here and there - you're just wrong this time  :lol
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 02:01:54 PM
As we get into the mid-late 80's I think opinions are going to diverge even more.  So far I think we've been about as consensus-like as you could get in a group of rock/metal fans , but I think some of us embraced the "hair metal" side while others stayed "true metal" to the core  :D

I possibly would've been more into bands like early Scorps and Maiden if I'd grown up with them but during the 80's - my school years -  (Ozzy WASP and Queensryche aside) I was pretty much purely hard rock/hair metal and most of that didn't start until around 1986.   It wasn't until the late 80's/early 90's that I began to really get into prog metal and then the "classic metal" side of things was last , inspired by Painkiller most likely .   Some even recent days  :lol  ..........I really like Revelations by Maiden now I've heard it  :laugh: .

Another big factor from my point of view is total lack of radio play for a lot of these bands.  I don't know about other countries but the only Scorpions song I have EVER heard on mainstream radio is Winds of Change. 

We had a good radio station nearby in Providence and a couple good ones in Boston. But the Providence station starting in late 82 would have a Metal Hour every Saturday night at Midnight that I listened to faithfully. I used to record them and keep a playlist. The DJ who started that would eventually pass the show on to a guy named Dr. Metal, who would eventually be killed in the Station Nightclub fire.
Anyway, that's the place where I first heard Hit The Lights, Queen Of The Reich, that sort of thing. 


Also as you say, things tend to branch out in short order soon, so hopefully everyone will share THEIR list as well.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 19, 2014, 02:09:35 PM
Yeah, fair enough.  I can post the correct list, and each of you can share your opinions.
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 02:19:41 PM
Yeah, fair enough.  I can post the correct list, and each of you can share your opinions high praise.

I'm not going to have to camp out early for that line am I?
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 19, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
As we get into the mid-late 80's I think opinions are going to diverge even more.  So far I think we've been about as consensus-like as you could get in a group of rock/metal fans , but I think some of us embraced the "hair metal" side while others stayed "true metal" to the core  :D

I possibly would've been more into bands like early Scorps and Maiden if I'd grown up with them but during the 80's - my school years -  (Ozzy WASP and Queensryche aside) I was pretty much purely hard rock/hair metal and most of that didn't start until around 1986.   It wasn't until the late 80's/early 90's that I began to really get into prog metal and then the "classic metal" side of things was last , inspired by Painkiller most likely .   Some even recent days  :lol  ..........I really like Revelations by Maiden now I've heard it  :laugh: .

Another big factor from my point of view is total lack of radio play for a lot of these bands.  I don't know about other countries but the only Scorpions song I have EVER heard on mainstream radio is Winds of Change. 

We had a good radio station nearby in Providence and a couple good ones in Boston. But the Providence station starting in late 82 would have a Metal Hour every Saturday night at Midnight that I listened to faithfully. I used to record them and keep a playlist. The DJ who started that would eventually pass the show on to a guy named Dr. Metal, who would eventually be killed in the Station Nightclub fire.
Anyway, that's the place where I first heard Hit The Lights, Queen Of The Reich, that sort of thing. 


Also as you say, things tend to branch out in short order soon, so hopefully everyone will share THEIR list as well.

Tim, you talking WAAF?
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 03:33:50 PM
Well, I listened to HJY in providence, but yes WAAF (I know it was Worcester) was huge. I wore an AAF t shirt everyday when I was in the 8th Grade.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 19, 2014, 03:35:42 PM
There was also a show for metal and still to this day on a NH radio station WHEB.  Though the metal today is a thousand times heavier.
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
There was also a show for metal and still to this day on a NH radio station WHEB.  Though the metal today is a thousand times heavier.

SMU's college radio station did a metal show. I met the kid that did the show waiting in line for tickets once. Won KISS tix for the Asylum tour in Providence from them! I did my own Metal Show on my college radio station for 3 1/2 years.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 19, 2014, 03:43:07 PM
I did my own mixed metal tapes from my basement. :lol
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 03:49:56 PM
I did my own mixed metal tapes from my basement. :lol

 :metal :metal
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 19, 2014, 03:52:01 PM
Remember how long those and the CD mixes took.  Now, 5 minutes on my I-Tunes and BAM!!  Nixed playlist!
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 04:07:03 PM
It was a labor of love. It was a lot of work and you really had to consider running order. Some of those song transitions still stick to me 25 years later. Everytime I hear the end of Still Of The Night, I expect Master Of Puppets to kick in! :lol
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Post by: bl5150 on November 19, 2014, 04:10:51 PM
It was a labor of love. It was a lot of work and you really had to consider running order. Some of those song transitions still stick to me 25 years later. Everytime I hear the end of Still Of The Night, I expect Master Of Puppets to kick in! :lol

Same here re mix tapes - I just found a whole ton of them.  Most of them likely don't even play but just looking at the track lists brought back heaps of memories.

It was a dream of mine to do a college radio show but by the time I reached college all anybody wanted to hear was Nirvana and Red Hot Chili Peppers  >:(  Couldn't do it.

"Ok....... and here's Red Hot............................And Ready by Y&T " :)    I would've been sacked very quick.
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Post by: TAC on November 19, 2014, 04:21:33 PM
It was a dream of mine to do a college radio show

I still remember interviewing with the Program Director when I got to school. The guy was like, "I'm sure you know bands like AC/DC and Iron Maiden, but what about obscure bands like Saxon and Riot". I stopped him dead in his tracks and named the members and albums by each band. :metal
So I got paired up at first with a guy already on air because I didn't know the equipment. He was into punk stuff, so I had to split time with Suicidal, DRI, that kind of thing, but when I came back for my sophomore year, he was gone and the show was mine!


It was a dream of mine to do a college radio show but by the time I reached college all anybody wanted to hear was Nirvana and Red Hot Chili Peppers 
I actually like One Hot Minute. With such slim pickings in the mid 90's for me, it will likely make my 1996 Top 10 when you get to that year.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 19, 2014, 05:43:48 PM
It was a labor of love. It was a lot of work and you really had to consider running order. Some of those song transitions still stick to me 25 years later. Everytime I hear the end of Still Of The Night, I expect Master Of Puppets to kick in! :lol

Damn straight.  There's also a handful of songs I expect to end before the last 5-8 seconds finish, because I didn't time the mix properly.
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 19, 2014, 05:55:13 PM
I always tred to make a mix like a concert.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 20, 2014, 03:11:28 AM
Loved the mixed tapes!! Played them loud driving in my dads 1985 LeBaron
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Post by: TAC on November 20, 2014, 06:42:20 AM
New UFO album in February.
https://bravewords.com/news/ufo-to-release-a-conspiracy-of-stars-in-early-2015-artwork-revealed
I sure hope it's better than the last one!
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 20, 2014, 07:44:43 AM
I haven't heard anything new from UFO since their 95 reunion album
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Post by: TAC on November 20, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
I haven't heard anything new from UFO since their 95 reunion album

Honestly, there's not a lot of great stuff. They would make two more albums with Michael Schenker after Walk On Water. 2000's Covenant is freaking awesome though. They have since made 4 albums with Vinnie Moore. From the four, you could make one real great mix CD.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 20, 2014, 09:09:33 AM
Really enjoy their 70s and early 80s stuff, but never looked into them beyond that
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Post by: TAC on November 20, 2014, 09:20:06 AM
300 pages through Paul Stanley's book and am enjoying it immensely.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 20, 2014, 09:23:05 AM
300 pages through Paul Stanley's book and am enjoying it immensely.

Funny you should mention that . I was just told to go spend $100 on myself for stuff to give to others to give me back for Xmas  ::)     I have a few DVDs in mind and was also looking at a couple of rock autobiographies.  I was thinking Ozzy and Paul Stanley.   I was surprised at how universally positive the reviews on Ozzy's are actually.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 20, 2014, 01:40:51 PM
I should be done on '83 by the end of the day - done a heap of listening for this one . I can understand why TAC had a 10 way tie for 10th.  As per usual I've rated a couple of classics a bit lower than is the consensus  :angel:  but on the whole I don't expect too much flak  ;D

It'll be nice to get to some years where I can just reel a few off from memory of growing up with the albums.  Although the number of albums eligible is about to blow out big time  :omg:.

Another album I'm going to listen to over the next couple of days is a band Gary Moore fronted for one album called G-Force.   I had forgotten about it altogether - it's among the hundreds of albums I have tracked down over the years but never really listened to.  If it's good I'll add it to the 1980 post.


Actually.....................make it "over the weekend.".  Just discovered another dozen albums I need to check out.   1983 was a pretty amazing year.

 
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Post by: Lowdz on November 20, 2014, 01:55:21 PM
300 pages through Paul Stanley's book and am enjoying it immensely.

I enjoyed it. But I enjoyed Peter's too even though it was all "I did really stupid things when I took stupid amounts of drugs but it's all Gene and Paul's fault I'm a fuck up".  :biggrin:

And Ace's No Regrets. He should have lots of regrets.
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Post by: wolfking on November 20, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
New UFO album in February.
https://bravewords.com/news/ufo-to-release-a-conspiracy-of-stars-in-early-2015-artwork-revealed
I sure hope it's better than the last one!

Yeah, the last one was pretty terrible.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on November 21, 2014, 08:07:47 AM
Don't have the time to comment as much as I want to but I'm still following and trying to catch up. Overall no strong disagreement from me to the lists so far.

And just a few random comments:

Magnum's Chase The Dragon is great but all in all they are more rock than hard rock. And I always thought the were underrated and not overrated.

I really like Aerosmith but i never liked Rock In A Hard place, easily one of the worst records by them. Their output up to the split is great. So are Pump and Get A Grip, and that's definitely including the ballads. And tracks like Fever or Flesh are rocking as hard as any 70s song.

Diver Down is a good enough record, I really like it, but it's a bit inconsistent and very very short, even for early VH standards. The worst of the first six, but that's not saying much because VH is always exceptional.

I never came to like The Scorpions. Being a german band, they got a good amout of airplay, especially Rock You Like A Hurricane and Still Loving You but I really can't stand Meine's voice. And when Wind Of Change came out that killed every little sympathy I had left for them  :biggrin:
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Post by: kingshmegland on November 21, 2014, 12:03:14 PM
300 pages through Paul Stanley's book and am enjoying it immensely.

I'm up to Revenge right now.  Peter was such a tool.  Ace, well you can see where that was going. :lol  Gene?  Always about himself.  Paul always had to reel him in.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 22, 2014, 11:46:28 PM
It's taken me a while to get to a point where I feel I've got 1983 covered - I must've listened to 40+ albums this week to either refresh my memory or try albums that others regard as classics (low strike rate there  :D  ).  Living in 1983 for the best part of the last week has been a bit of an eye opener.   Not that I was really "music aware" at the time aside from KISS , but even so I'd never properly appreciated what a pivotal year it was.   I would find it hard to argue with someone who suggested that it's the most important year in metal ever.

Aside from the big event of KISS "de-masking" we had (amongst others) the following bands forming:  Testament, Stryper, Poison,Megadeth,Lizzy Borden, Helloween, Bon Jovi, Alcatrazz,Death

and debut albums from :  Metallica, Queensryche (EP),Slayer,Mercyful fate,  Ratt (EP), Pantera, Lita Ford, Savatage, Suicidal Tendencies,Dio , Europe, Dokken, Fastway,Waysted, Shy, Pretty Maids(EP).............the list goes on.

We also saw the final album from Lynott lead Thin Lizzy and the debut of Jake E Lee (a big fave of mine) in Ozzy's band.

I decided to keep the rating cutoff for an honourable mention at 75% because if I had made it 80% (which I will in 1984) then I would've excluded some well loved classics and we would've needed water cannons and tear gas to protect me from the rioters.  I shocked myself by including Iron Maiden in the Top 10 again based on my new ratings - seems my tastes are changing a little.  If it's not clear by now I'm doing these lists based mostly on how I view albums now , not based on how I rated them years ago.   

TOP TEN ALBUMS FOR 1983

1. Def Leppard: Pyromania
2. Ozzy Osbourne: Bark At The Moon
3. Queensryche: Queensryche (EP)
4. Blackfoot: Siogo
5. Gary Moore: Victims Of The Future
6. KISS : Lick It Up
7. Krokus: Headhunter
8. Motley Crue: Shout At The Devil
9. Iron Maiden : Piece Of Mind
10: Dokken : Breaking The Chains (TIE)
10: Rainbow: Bent Out Of Shape(TIE)


MADE THE SQUAD BUT NOT THE TEAM

I didn't want a six way tie for 10th so these missed by a bee's dick :

Thin Lizzy: Thunder And Lightning
Savatage: Sirens
Europe: Europe
Heavy Pettin' : Lettin' Loose

and the rest in no particular order..........

Accept: Balls To The Wall
Alcatrazz: No parole From Rock n Roll
Dio : Holy Diver
Helix: No Rest For The Wicked
Twisted Sister: You Can't Stop Rock n Roll
Y&T: Mean Streak
Zebra: Zebra
Vandenberg: Heading For A Storm
Shy: Once Bitten........Twice Shy
Ratt: Ratt (EP)
Warlord: Deliver Us (EP)
Demon: The Plague
Triumph: Never Surrender
UFO: Making Contact



I'm sure that Holy Diver being out of the Top 10 will bewilder a few but for me it's a typical Dio album.......IMHO it contains 2 killer/classic songs, 4 very good ones and 3 fillers which , up against stiff competition , makes it hard for me to rate it high enough to make the Top 10 even though the best songs are  :metal. 

Another extremely good year next....... meanwhile I'm going to take a break from the 80's for 24 hours :)
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 22, 2014, 11:55:37 PM
Holy Diver is better than all of these albums, except maybe BATM.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 23, 2014, 12:08:34 AM
Holy Diver is better than all of these albums, except maybe BATM.

No it's not  ;D ........in my humble opinion.

To be honest I'm surprised that you're familiar with every album I listed .......I wasn't before the exercise.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 23, 2014, 01:11:35 AM
The bees dick line was very funny.

This year has my favorite releases overall from Dio ( would be my number 1), Def Lep, Crüe, Accept, Thin Lizzy, Twisted Sister and Y&T. So this would be an impressive year overall.

Not mentioned are Black Sabbath- Born Again, Coney Hatch- Outa Hand, Triumph- Never Surrender, and a very underrated gem- Steeler!

There are a few on your list that I'm not overly familiar with, but excellent list overall. Except for obviously the Dio situation lol

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Post by: bl5150 on November 23, 2014, 01:21:29 AM
I thought Born Again was awful .  You can tell that Gillan had the voice for it but very few of the songs impressed me at all.

I need to check my rating on Triumph - might have missed that one, so will add as required.   Steeler's pretty good - yeah.


Except for obviously the Dio situation lol


We officially have a situation  :o   :D
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Post by: wolfking on November 23, 2014, 03:25:13 AM
Both Dio and Black Sabbath would probably make my top 5, but that's a good list.

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Post by: kingshmegland on November 23, 2014, 05:31:01 AM
Dio, Triumph & Zebra would make my top 10.

I thought Bark At The Moon was a poor album from Ozzy.  I love Rainbow's Bent Out Of Shape.  Saw them on that tour with Aldo Nova opening.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 23, 2014, 06:49:40 AM
As I mentioned earlier (when I inadvertently thought it was released in 1982), Never Surrender is the worst of Triumph's 80s output, but still a pretty good album.  Still not a lot here that I'm familiar with, 1983 is woefully under-represented in the jingle.library.  And as good as the QR EP is (was just listening to it the other day), I have trouble rating it above a full album, especially the likes of Piece of Mind, Shout at the Devil, Holy Diver, and Mean Streak.
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Post by: TAC on November 23, 2014, 07:09:45 AM
Yeah! 1983!!!

Will post when I get home. I need a keyboard!!!!

Nice list Brent. I loved that Heavy Pettin' album.
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Post by: TAC on November 23, 2014, 12:10:40 PM
OK..mad props Brent for including Siogo and Headhunter on your list. That Blackfoot album is great, and I consider Headhunter to be the definitive Krokus album. It easily still holds up today.

Here's my list:
1. Metallica- Kill 'Em All
2. Iron Maiden-Piece Of Mind
3. Dio- Holy Diver
4. Saxon- Power And The Glory

Not sure how I forgot this..
Thin Lizzy -Thunder And Lightning.
would put it here on the list.

5. Ozzy Osbourne- Bark At The Moon
6. Y&T- Mean Streak
7. Accept- Balls To The Wall
8. Heavy Pettin'- Lettin' Loose
9. Loudness- Live-Loud-Alive
10.Tie :
Waysted-Vices
Riot- Born In America
UFO-Making Contact
MSG-Built To Destroy
Twisted Sister- You Can't Stop Rock n Roll
Blackfoot-Siogo
Gary Moore-Dirty Fingers
Queensryche- EP
Quiet Riot- Metal Health
Def Leppard- Pyromania
Krokus-Headhunter
 ;D

Seriously so many great albums.

I didn't list Lick It Up, though it was huge for the band. For their 80's output, I would still rate Asylum, Creatures, and Animalize over it.

And regarding Dokken's Breaking The Chains, I bought that when it came out. The title track is great, but I was severely disappointed with it. There's nothing remotely close to BTC, as the rest is pretty weak and thin. I loved Paris Is Burning though.

I'd also like to single out Loudness' Live Loud Alive album. This is one of the best live albums I've ever heard. Sure it's sung in Japanese, but musically, it's breathtaking!

I saw my first two concerts at the age of 14 in 1983.
Def Leppard/Krokus/Gary Moore 6/25/83
Iron Maiden/Fastway/Coney Hatch 8/27/83
Both at the old Cape Cod Coliseum.
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Post by: Lowdz on November 23, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
Def Leppard Pyromania
Y&T Meanstreak
Saxon Power And Glory
Alcatrazz No Parole From Rock n Roll
Dio Holy Diver
Manowar Into Glory Ride
KISS Lick It Up
thin Lizzy Thunder & Lightning
Maiden Piece Of Mind
Motley's Shout At The Devil


Close would be
Rock Goddess - Hell Hath No Fury (loved Jody Turner  :heart)
UFO's Making Contact
Savage Loose n Lethal
Steeler
Coney Hatch Outa Hand,
Killer Dwarfs' first one,
Gary Moore's Victims Of The Future,
Blackfoot Siogo

Stevie Ray Vaughan Texas Flood (not in the right genre but deserves the recognition)

I wasn't a fan of Breaking The Chains at all either. One good song.
BATM isn't a big favourite of mine, especially the UK version which didn't rock as much as the US version.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 23, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
Thanks for the lists guys - still a decent consensus there but a few we have totally opposite views on.   For me the albums I found pretty weak were Saxon , Riot, MSG, Quiet Riot (aside from the 2 classics) and Manowar.

I should've made a note against the Dokken.  You guys might be aware of this but Breaking The Chains was originally released in Germany by the Carrere label as Don Dokken : Breaking The Chains in 81/82 and then polished up (watered down) significantly and re-released by Elektra in the US in 1983.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IBigK-nP7zw/TD2EVl_aaBI/AAAAAAAANbU/Yu-6JeuUGE4/s1600/Dokken-Breakin%27+The+Chains-Front.jpg) (https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5408/153534268.b/0_7bf62_e66d9834_orig.jpg)

Not only does it sound much rawer but it includes the studio version of Paris Is Burning (Paris).  I'm aware that some Dokken fans who don't like the US version really love the Carrere version.

Texas Flood crossed my mind too Paul.  I've also added the UFO to my HM's.........as you know I'm not the hugest fan but on this one they started to sound more 80's = more up my alley :)

Re Ozzy ......how they ever released it with Spiders in place of Slow Down is a mystery to me.  I wasn't even aware of that until Paul mentioned it.    That would dramatically alter the rhythm vs the album I grew up with.   Slow down is one of my top few tracks and I don't like Spiders.   Going to have a listen today to something I've had sitting around for a while - Ozzmosis demos which has a number of tracks that never made the album.  No idea how good it is.

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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2014, 05:14:03 AM
I've actually never heard the original version of Breaking The Chains. I do remember that when they came out, a lot of people thought they were from Germany.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2014, 06:30:50 AM
Re Ozzy ......how they ever released it with Spiders in place of Slow Down is a mystery to me.  I wasn't even aware of that until Paul mentioned it.    That would dramatically alter the rhythm vs the album I grew up with.   Slow down is one of my top few tracks and I don't like Spiders.   Going to have a listen today to something I've had sitting around for a while - Ozzmosis demos which has a number of tracks that never made the album.  No idea how good it is.

Stop being wrong. :lol Slow Down is filler. I can't imagine the album without Spiders, as it's easily one of the best songs on the album.

I didn't know they'd actually released much of the scrapped stuff from Ozzmosis, but I must hear this. I think a lot of it was scrapped simply because it's not the direction the label wanted, so I wouldn't expect it to be too bad.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 24, 2014, 06:33:24 AM
There's that many freakin polls on DTF at the moment I might start posting a few new ones............like " Here's two songs to choose from.........who's right ..........Blob or everyone else?"  ;D

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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2014, 06:35:26 AM
 ::) I'm used to this forum being backwards to the rest of the world already. It's a prog thing.
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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2014, 06:39:21 AM
I think I'd prefer Slow Down. Either song would be the worst on the album anyway.
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Post by: wolfking on November 24, 2014, 04:38:35 PM
Spiders >>>  Slow Down.

Although, I never got the love for BATM, IMO the album has a lot of filler.
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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2014, 04:41:21 PM
No way!! Bark At The Moon is great!

Bark At The Moon
Rock n Roll Rebel
Journey To The Centre Of The Universe
You're No Different
All great tunes! Plus the masterpiece Waiting For Darkness.

Now if you want filler, just look at The Ultimate Sin!
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Post by: bl5150 on November 24, 2014, 05:04:50 PM
No way!! Bark At The Moon is great!

Bark At The Moon
Rock n Roll Rebel
Journey To The Centre Of The Universe
You're No Different
All great tunes! Plus the masterpiece Waiting For Darkness.

Now if you want filler, just look at The Ultimate Sin!

Ultimate Sin roolz  ;D    Just about anything metal with Jake on it , I get by just with the guitar playing.  And that's the main reason I love Slow Down most likely - Jake rips on it.
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Post by: wolfking on November 24, 2014, 05:08:39 PM
I should go back to BATM then.  I tried it so many times but just couldn't really connect with.  TUS on the other hand, was a big step up.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 24, 2014, 05:42:08 PM
I would probably pick the Ultimate Sin over BATM slightly just because the title track and Shot in the Dark are two of my all time favorite Ozzy songs
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Post by: wolfking on November 24, 2014, 05:44:07 PM
I would probably pick the Ultimate Sin over BATM slightly just because the title track and Shot in the Dark are two of my all time favorite Ozzy songs

Word.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 24, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
That Shot In The Dark video was a bit of a classic  ;D
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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
A big step Down! ;D Seriously, I don't even think it's close.

I would probably pick the Ultimate Sin over BATM slightly just because the title track and Shot in the Dark are two of my all time favorite Ozzy songs

Those songs are great, but there's just not mch else going on there. I do like Whole Worlds Falling Down and I can lve with Killer Of Giants.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 24, 2014, 06:10:44 PM
Whole World's Falling Down was 6 years after The Ultimate Sin and was an Ozzmosis (Zakk) leftover if memory serves correct.  Written with Shaw/Blades.

Centre Of The Universe doesn't ring any bells either   :P  ;D   I didn't realise until recently that in some parts that song is known as "Forever."


The Ultimate Sin was my first real "metal" album and I love the whole thing...........so there :)  Even I admit the image at the time was pretty awful , but I love the music.   I can see how some viewed it as a glam metal sellout in a similar way to Y&T's Contagious but I don't seem to have the same problem with either album having started there.  Having said that I rate TUS much higher than Contagious.

I remember reading a Zakk Wylde interview where he was explaining how he has trouble with the material from The Ultimate Sin as it's so much softer than Bark At The Moon.  I don't get that either.
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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2014, 06:30:29 PM
Whole World's Falling Down was 6 years after The Ultimate Sin and was an Ozzmosis (Zakk) leftover if memory serves correct.  Written with Shaw/Blades.

Centre Of The Universe doesn't ring any bells either   :P  ;D   I didn't realise until recently that in some parts that song is known as "Forever."


The Ultimate Sin was my first real "metal" album and I love the whole thing...........so there :)  Even I admit the image at the time was pretty awful , but I love the music.   I can see how some viewed it as a glam metal sellout in a similar way to Y&T's Contagious but I don't seem to have the same problem with either album having started there.  Having said that I rate TUS much higher than Contagious.

I remember reading a Zakk Wylde interview where he was explaining how he has trouble with the material from The Ultimate Sin as it's so much softer than Bark At The Moon.  I don't get that either.

That would be the Centre Of Eternity.  :facepalm: I'm having a Kingshmegland moment.

For some reason, Whole World's Falling Down is on my iPod with TUS.

Anyway, I get that people can like one album over another, but in all seriousness, I just don't think TUS is in BATM's league.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 24, 2014, 06:31:36 PM
I'm pretty sure Ozzy has zero recollection of TUS era due to the huge amount of drugs. Shot in the Dark video is funny stuff
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Post by: bl5150 on November 24, 2014, 06:35:37 PM

Anyway, I get that people can like one album over another, but in all seriousness, I just don't think TUS is in BATM's league.

Fair enough - I think they're both awesome  :metal
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Post by: WebRaider on November 24, 2014, 06:45:14 PM
Mine would have to be something like this...

1. Ozzy Osbourne - Bark At The Moon
1. Motley Crue - Shout At The Devil
3. Dio - Holy Diver
4. Metallica - Kill 'Em All
5. Def Leppard - Pyromania
6. Iron Maiden - Piece Of Mind
7. Thin Lizzy - Thunder And Lightning
8. Queensryche - Queensryche (EP)
9. Dokken - Breaking The Chains
10: Quiet Riot - Metal Health
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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2014, 06:52:41 PM
That is a great list! Thunder And Lightning is incredible.
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Post by: wolfking on November 24, 2014, 07:00:35 PM
Thunder And Lightning is incredible.

Yeah, it really is.
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Post by: TAC on November 24, 2014, 07:10:15 PM
They would also record their set at Reading in 1983 and release that as a BBC show. I would take that live album every day of the week over Live And Dangerous. It's fantastic. That version of Still In Love With You is unreal.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 24, 2014, 10:15:18 PM
I wonder if Thin Lizzy would have continued on in that direction. What a fantastic album T&L is.

What a great band!
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Post by: Lowdz on November 25, 2014, 02:40:59 AM
I should go back to BATM then.  I tried it so many times but just couldn't really connect with.  TUS on the other hand, was a big step up.

Agree with this. BatM wasn't great - YUS was better. there's more Jake on it.
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Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2014, 04:04:32 AM
I should go back to BATM then.  I tried it so many times but just couldn't really connect with.  TUS on the other hand, was a big step up.

Agree with this. BatM wasn't great - YUS was better. there's more Jake on it.

His solos are the best part of the record IMO, so much melody within the solos, great stuff.
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Post by: TAC on November 25, 2014, 05:33:56 AM
I wonder if Thin Lizzy would have continued on in that direction. What a fantastic album T&L is.
I would've loved to have heard what would be next. But the band was spent at the time. Phil would be dead in less than 3 years.
and he knew it too. The last track on T&L, Heart Attack, is very prophetic where he sings "Mama I'm dying." WOW!

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Post by: TAC on November 26, 2014, 04:50:06 PM
Kelly Smith leaves Flotsam & Jetsam
https://bravewords.com/news/kelly-smith-leaves-flotsam-and-jetsam-to-focus-on-his-family

I LOVE and I mean LOVE classic Flotsam & Jetsam. Kelly Smith was a great drummer. Saw them many times standing about 6 feet away from his drums. :metal :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on November 26, 2014, 04:55:25 PM
Wow, I honestly had no idea they were active in recent years.
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Post by: TAC on November 26, 2014, 06:49:09 PM
They've kind of been releasing albums along the way, but in the last few years, original guitarist Michael Gilbert and original drummer Kelly Smith rejoined. The near classic lineup released The Cold last year. I was very disappointed in it. Tuned down a few steps for my liking.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 26, 2014, 10:19:08 PM
I've never really been into F&J  - does the "classic" lineup include Newstead?
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Post by: TAC on November 27, 2014, 05:50:30 AM
I've never really been into F&J  - does the "classic" lineup include Newstead?
Newsted was only on their first album.
The rest of the band was:
Eric AK Knutson-vocals
Michael Gilbert-guitar
Ed Carlson=guitar
Kelly Smith-drums

Troy Gregory plays bass on their second and third albums (my two faves!).
Jason Ward would become their bassist for their fourth album and has been there ever since.

F&J would make six albums up through 1997.
Then they rotated in different guitarists/drummers for a few negligable albums.

But last year the AK/Gilbert/Carlson/Smith and Ward lineup recorded The Cold together, and I was severely bummed with it.

Flotsam & Jetsam will start showing up on the lists here in this thread shortly, at least for me.
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Post by: bl5150 on November 27, 2014, 07:41:19 AM
You never know - they might for me too (although it would be surprising).  I'm listening to a lot of new music for each year to be sure, to be sure (https://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/stpatdancer.gif) (https://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/greenbeer.gif)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2014, 09:17:58 AM
Any Axenstar fans here? I've never heard of them, but I've heard some samples of their new album. It sounds great. Seems they've been around a while. I will be jumping in on this band when their album is released next week.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 27, 2014, 09:25:09 AM
Any Axenstar fans here? I've never heard of them, but I've heard some samples of their new album. It sounds great. Seems they've been around a while. I will be jumping in on this band when their album is released next week.

I used to have one of their albums which I filed under "typical double kick power metal with an average vocalist" but I'll check out the newy if you're "jumping on 'em"  :D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2014, 09:31:26 AM
I know. Lots of generic stuff out there. I put the first Dionysus album in the same file, though I heard some recent stuff by them which sounded pretty good.
I do love this type of music though, so I'm always on the lookout for a new band to check out.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 27, 2014, 01:23:23 PM
Went through a power metal stage last year and Axenstar were one of the bands i checked out. They were ok, nothing more than that and Brent summed them up pretty nicely.
So many average bands in the genre - they all sound great for a song or three but tend to be very same-y over an album.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2014, 04:21:22 PM
You guys are making it hard for me to spend my money! :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 29, 2014, 06:28:30 AM
Just made my 1984 List. Lots of great albums left out of the Top 10.

1984 was a great year for debut albums.
Armored Saint
WASP
Bon Jovi
Metal Church
Anthrax
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 29, 2014, 06:33:29 AM
Just made my 1984 List. Lots of great albums left out of the Top 10.

Yeah......it's getting nuts , especially with the arrival of hair metal in a big way.   I would say in the prior years most of the honourable mentions would've averaged a high 70's rating .......in 1984 it'll be more high 80's and I might even have some 90% rated albums not break into the top 10.  Not sure yet. 

I've been listening all week ............maybe another dozen albums to go and a few quick checks on some obscure ones to make sure I've got all my shit together.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 29, 2014, 06:39:16 AM
  I would say in the prior years most of the honourable mentions would've averaged a high 70's rating .......in 1984 it'll be more high 80's and I might even have some 90% rated albums not break into the top 10.  Not sure yet. 

I don't know. We've had great batches of Honorable Mentions so far.  The early to mid 80's was really a great time in hard rock music.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on November 30, 2014, 02:45:53 AM
Just uncovered another 20-30 albums I need to check out ...............that'll make close to 100 album scores added to my data for 1984 ::)    Thank God 1985 is much weaker.

The Top 10 is pretty much settled but I'm trying to make sure I have all the obscure stuff covered for the honourable mentions. As per usual a few big names will miss the cut and upset you all , especially now that I have upped the cut-off score to 80%  :P :angel:  In mr.com terms that's a cutoff of 100% :)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 30, 2014, 04:31:33 AM
As per usual a few big names will miss the cut and upset you all , especially now that I have upped the cut-off score to 80%  :P :angel:  In mr.com terms that's a cutoff of 100% :)

:lol Be fair, it's more like 98%. You have to leave a little head room!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 30, 2014, 11:12:43 AM
Just uncovered another 20-30 albums I need to check out ...............that'll make close to 100 album scores added to my data for 1984 ::)   
Would love to see that full list. I'm sure there's stuff that I never even bothered to check out.

A great fairly obscure band that realeased albums in 83/84 was Hawaii, featuring Marty Freidman.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on November 30, 2014, 02:05:03 PM
Just uncovered another 20-30 albums I need to check out ...............that'll make close to 100 album scores added to my data for 1984 ::)   
Would love to see that full list. I'm sure there's stuff that I never even bothered to check out.

A great fairly obscure band that realeased albums in 83/84 was Hawaii, featuring Marty Freidman.

I have that on vinyl. Have to say it didn't do anything for me at the time. Haven't heard it in 30 years or so!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on November 30, 2014, 02:07:34 PM
I remember I bought Hawaii and Tsunami on the same day. Go figure. :lol
Rox too.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on December 01, 2014, 12:33:57 AM
1984 has some amazing albums.

Interested to see where Defenders makes the cut on your list and if Last in Line even makes it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 01, 2014, 12:43:52 AM
1984 has some amazing albums.

Including 1984 itself. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Mosh on December 01, 2014, 12:52:46 AM
1984 has some amazing albums.

Interested to see where Defenders makes the cut on your list and if Last in Line even makes it.
1984 has some tough competition, but if any Dio album is going to make a top X albums list Last In Line is it. I'm not big on his solo career (at least compared to Rainbow and to a lesser extent Sabbath) but that album is fantastic. 80s metal at its best. I'd take it over Defenders even.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on December 01, 2014, 01:44:27 AM
Last in Line is one of my favorites but I know Brent isn't a mega fan, so just curious where it ends up in the list
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 01, 2014, 02:29:37 AM
Last in Line is one of my favourite Dio albums too, so either it's included, or the list is wrong. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on December 01, 2014, 03:30:41 AM
Last in Line is one of my favourite Dio albums too, so either it's included, or the list is wrong. :biggrin:

lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2014, 04:01:15 AM
Last In Line is the shit.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 01, 2014, 05:39:02 AM
OK.................I'll try and address some of the above issues.


-  TAC's request for the full list............I can sorta do something there - see below
- Defenders and Last In Line..............both make it but not top 10......I'll explain the criteria in more detail but to even get an honourable mention in 1984 means I really,really like the album.  80% = mr.com 110%  :D
-  Blob believes all who disagree with him are wrong ...............can't do anything about that sorry  ;D


At the risk of getting totally boring I'll explain a bit about how I'm doing this.  It's all being done very quickly so the rating methods are pretty rough and ready but it gets the job done. 

I have never been one for formally rating albums at all , but 12-18 months ago I thought I had better start.  I looked at my collection (now >4000 albums) and realised I would never listen to them all before I cark it and that I couldn't remember how good half of them are.   Rating the albums would help to sort out the wheat from the chaff and provide a good reference point not only for best tracks but the album ratings would sort out those that are worth listening to as whole albums.  Those that come in at <70% (implied album rating of < 4 stars in iTunes) I don't bother to keep in my spreadsheet - they are deemed not worth an "album listen" but I have the song ratings to refer to.

I just use iTunes star ratings for the tracks.  I'm thinking something alone these lines when I rate them:

1 star :  shit
2 stars: barely listenable - nothing I wish to hear again
3 stars: decent song - good for occasional rotation
4 stars: quality song - good for regular rotation
5 stars: great song that really gets me in- a favourite.

At the end of the album I average them out , convert to a rating out of 100 and then have +/- 4 pts I can use to adjust for things like the whole album experience, production and if I felt some songs may have been more like 4 and a half than 4 etc...........     The key point is that consistency plays a big part.  Take an album like Defenders - the first 4 songs are about as good as any 4 on any metal album for me (The Sentinel may be my all time fave JP song) but IMO the rest of the album fades from there and so it ends up with a good but not great rating , even though it contains a few of my all time favourite songs.  Same goes (even more so) for Holy Diver.   I have rated The Last In Line higher than Holy Diver even though it has one LESS all time favourite song.........it makes up for that with almost no filler.

Onto to TAC's request..............I can't give you a totally comprehensive list because a number of the albums I have sampled a few songs and decided not to even bother rating them and haven't recorded those names (there's probably 20 of those already).    Then there's albums that I have rated but have come in < 70% (Metal Church is one I have done today).......they are not in my spreadsheet either , as mentioned above.

What I can give you (bearing in mind that 80% is required to make the list) is those that have been rated and made the 70% cutoff for my spreadsheet:

Quiet Riot    Condition Critical
KISS    Animalize
Black'n'Blue   s/t
Armored Saint   March Of The Saint
The Rods   Let Them Eat Metal
Lee Aaron   Metal Queen
Ratt   Out Of The Cellar
Manowar   Hail To England
Mama's Boys   s/t
Y&T   In Rock We Trust
Giuffira   Giuffria
Dokken   Tooth and Nail
Fates Warning   Night On Brocken
Saxon   Crusader
Icon   Icon
Judas Priest   Defenders of the Faith
Twisted Sister   Stay Hungry
Queensryche   The Warning
Dio    The Last In Line
Yngwie Malmsteen   Rising Force
Autograph   Sign In Please
Scorpions   Love At First Sting
Whitesnake   Slide It In
Metallica   Ride The Lightning
Iron Maiden   Powerslave
Van Halen   1984
Europe   Wings of Tomorrow
Bon Jovi   Bon Jovi
Grim Reaper   See You In Hell
Sammy Hagar    VOA
Helix   Walkin The Razor's Edge
Keel   Lay Down The Law
Kick Axe   Vices
W.A.S.P:s/t

And here's some albums I still need to listen to and rate in coming days ( a couple are likely more AOR and won't make it) :

Krokus   The Blitz
Laaz Rockit   City's Gonna Burn
Legs Diamond   Out On Bail
Loudness   Disillusion
Madam X    We Reserve The Right
Gary Moore   We Want Moore
Zebra   No Tellin Lies
Waysted   Waysted EP
Tyran Pace   Eye To Eye
Triumph   Thunder Seven
Tokyo Blade   Night Of The Blade
TKO   In Your Face
TNT   Knights of the New Thunder
Stryper   The Yellow and Black attack
Stone Fury   Burns Like A Star
Sinner   Danger Zone
Savatage   The Dungeons Are Calling
Running Wild   Gates To Purgatory
Q5   Steel The Light
Pretty Maids   Red Hot and Heavy
Omen   Battle Cry
MSG   Rock Will Never Die
220 volt    Power Games
Blackfoot    Vertical Smiles
Bronz   Taken By Storm
Fastway   All Fired Up
HSAS   Through The Fire
Honeymoon Suite   Honeymoon Suite
Joshua   The Hand Is Quicker Than The Eye
Lizzy Borden    Love You To Pieces
Meat Loaf   bad Attitude
Ted Nugent   Penetrator
Rose Tattoo   Southern Stars
Samson   Don't Get Mad, Get Even
Santers   Guitar Alley
Slade   Keep Your Hands Off My Power Supply
Urgent   Cast The First Stone
Warlock   Burning The Witches
Vengeance   Vengeance
Widow   Gone Too Far
White Heart   Vital Signs
Fee Waybill    rRead My Lips
White Wolf   Standing Alone
Zero Nine   Headline
Virgin steele   Burn The Sun
Jag Panzer   Ample Destruction
   
There'll be a few more..............unfortunately I've been out most of today and fell behind.  I am trying to be as comprehensive as possible.  Most of these albums are not albums I grew up with and so I've come in later and listened to them only a little bit in many cases.  So I feel like I need to give them a good listen rather than rate by memory.   That's adding a lot of time to it that I really never budgeted for , but I'm a sucker for going overboard once I set myself a task.

To put it in context the 80% rating required to get an honourable mention means that an album must average 4 stars across the whole thing - not many albums are able to achieve that with me.  So anything that gets there in 1984 really deserves it....and there's a heap of them.  An amazing year where many that have missed the Top 10 would've made it in past years.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 01, 2014, 05:45:29 AM
-  Blob believes all who disagree with him are wrong ...............can't do anything about that sorry  ;D

For once you're the odd one out on this one! But at least it's made the cut so far, so maybe not all hope is lost on you. :lol
Can't see any other obvious omissions for the genre. I await your top 10. :tup
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 01, 2014, 06:22:46 AM
The mere fact you have Vengeance and Slade in there demonstrates you've gone pretty deep.  Keep Your Hands Off My Power Supply is a fantastic album.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on December 01, 2014, 06:31:38 AM
Awesome list Brent. I understand why there is no Rush but where in the world is Spinal Tap and especially WASP
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 01, 2014, 06:34:37 AM
Awesome list Brent. I understand why there is no Rush but where in the world is Spinal Tap and especially WASP

Spinal Tap were going to get a mention but I didn't bother rating it  ;D   W.A.S.P should be there........it's one of the few from this time period that I did grow up with and didn't need to listen in order to rate  ;)     Headless Children made my all time top 10 so you can be sure W.A.S.P. are not forgotten.

TAC............I do have the 1985 Hawaii album down for a listen btw.

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on December 01, 2014, 12:22:52 PM
So many great albums this year - that Hawaii album is not one of them  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
Good working list so far.  I could definitely do a full top-10 with honorable mentions from that list.  Stryper is the only one I see on your "need to listen to" list that would definitely meet either my top 10 or honorable mention list.  I also note that, unless I missed it, there was a Whitesnake album that year that DEFINITELY needs to be on the list as well.

Lastly, I have two albums I am going to include on my "no, it's not hard rock/metal, but it's so good I'm going to honorably mention it anyway" list: 
-Prince - Purple Rain
-The Cars - Heartbeat City
Hard rock/metal?  Nope.  Do I care?  Nope.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2014, 12:53:34 PM
Keep Your Hands Off My Power Supply is a fantastic album.
Yeah it really is. Made the J Boy Top 50 if I recall. It's much stronger than the two singles bear. In fact, It's fairly heavy.

B, your list brings back so many memories. Much of it though, I never bothered to check out, but I had 60% of those albums. You listed Bronz- Taken By Storm. Wow, never thought I'd see that in print! I actually had that on cassette. I found it kind of lame. Would be right up Lowdz' alley! ;D Wolfking too! ;D ;D

Vertical Smiles was basically the demise of Blackfoot. Man did that thing suck!

You also mention the Waysted EP. I wore that thing out. That DOES make my Top 10 for 1984, though I wouldn't expect anyone else to like it.

Helix, Kick Axe, WOW! I also liked that Legs Diamond album a lot.

A favorite of mine that you didn't list was Jack Starr's Out Of The Darkness, featuring Rhett Forrester on vocals, along with the bassist/drummer from The Rods.

Oh, and no need to list Honeymoon Suite or Fee Waybill. :D

I also note that, unless I missed it, there was a Whitesnake album that year that DEFINITELY needs to be on the list as well.

Worthy of listing, but not of ranking. I was very disappointed with Slide It In. Nothing is near as strong as Slow n Easy. Guilty Of Love is great though.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: kingshmegland on December 01, 2014, 12:54:54 PM
You leave my Honeymoon Suite alone Tim. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2014, 01:00:31 PM
I also note that, unless I missed it, there was a Whitesnake album that year that DEFINITELY needs to be on the list as well.

Worthy of listing, but not of ranking. I was very disappointed with Slide It In. Nothing is near as strong as Slow n Easy. Guilty Of Love is great though.

Really?  That was my gateway Whitesnake album.  I thought it was great.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2014, 01:18:08 PM
I also note that, unless I missed it, there was a Whitesnake album that year that DEFINITELY needs to be on the list as well.

Worthy of listing, but not of ranking. I was very disappointed with Slide It In. Nothing is near as strong as Slow n Easy. Guilty Of Love is great though.

Really?  That was my gateway Whitesnake album.  I thought it was great.

The first Whitesnake album I bought was the double live Live In The Heart Of The City. About that time, Slow An Easy came out as a single. Such a great tune. I bought Slide It In, and honestly didn't care for it, save for a couple of tunes.

You leave my Honeymoon Suite alone Tim. :lol

They belong in another thread with these:
-Prince - Purple Rain
-The Cars - Heartbeat City
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on December 01, 2014, 01:48:25 PM
I also note that, unless I missed it, there was a Whitesnake album that year that DEFINITELY needs to be on the list as well.

Worthy of listing, but not of ranking. I was very disappointed with Slide It In. Nothing is near as strong as Slow n Easy. Guilty Of Love is great though.

Really?  That was my gateway Whitesnake album.  I thought it was great.

I'm with you there. Really good album.
I could do a top 50 just from this year.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2014, 01:57:27 PM
Forgot about Love Ain't No Stranger. Definitely a great tune.

Listening to it now. Standing In The Shadows is a great tune too.

OK, maybe not as bad as I remember. But I definitely remember not caring for it very much back in the day.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on December 01, 2014, 01:59:08 PM
Just listening to an awesome album from this year - Vow Wow's Beat Of Metal Motion.  :metal
AAdd that to the list Brent  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 01, 2014, 02:11:27 PM
As is now apparent I did a quick cut/paste from the most recent part of my spreadsheet and there's a couple of errors......can always rely on you mob to pull me up though  :P  :D



Oh, and no need to list Honeymoon Suite or Fee Waybill. :D

I also note that, unless I missed it, there was a Whitesnake album that year that DEFINITELY needs to be on the list as well.

Worthy of listing, but not of ranking. I was very disappointed with Slide It In. Nothing is near as strong as Slow n Easy. Guilty Of Love is great though.


As far as the Honeymoon Suite and Fee Waybill go..........


And here's some albums I still need to listen to and rate in coming days ( a couple are likely more AOR and won't make it) :



and the Whitesnake is in the same basket as the WASP - I am familiar enough with it that I didn't even bother having it in the spreadsheet.  It'll be in there ..................the Sykes version.

Just listening to an awesome album from this year - Vow Wow's Beat Of Metal Motion.  :metal
AAdd that to the list Brent  :biggrin:

No  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2014, 02:20:08 PM
I'm just the opposite.  Back then, it was a staple.  Now...eh.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2014, 02:23:18 PM
I'm just the opposite.  Back then, it was a staple.  Now...eh.
Are you talking about Slide It In?



Speaking of albums that did not age well..Stone Fury. Liked it a lot back in the day. Now, not so much.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2014, 02:26:44 PM
I'm just the opposite.  Back then, it was a staple.  Now...eh.
Are you talking about Slide It In?

Yeah, sorry.  I was responding to you a few posts back and got interrupted.  When I typed the response, yours was the last post, so no need to quote.  Buy the time I hit the "post" button, the other posts were there.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
I think even as a kid, song titles like Slide It In and Spit It Out were offputting. The album doesn't suck. I just remember being disappointed with it.
At the time, they just seemed caught between the bluesy classic rock they were know for, and what was going on at the time.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 01, 2014, 02:35:23 PM
I'll check out the Jack Starr too TAC..........not a big fan of the RF Riot albums relatively speaking but that wasn't because of his voice - just didn't think the songs were up there with Riot's best.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2014, 02:38:07 PM
I'll check out the Jack Starr too TAC..........not a big fan of the RF Riot albums relatively speaking but that wasn't because of his voice - just didn't think the songs were up there with Riot's best.

No they are definitely not. For some reason after Guy left, the songs really suffered. Born In America is pretty good though. I wish it had Restless Breed's production.

The Jack Starr album has some balls n chunk guitar playing. I loved it. Again, it was special to me. There's tons of more deservedly popular albums out that year though.
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Post by: kingshmegland on December 01, 2014, 04:58:53 PM
I also note that, unless I missed it, there was a Whitesnake album that year that DEFINITELY needs to be on the list as well.

Worthy of listing, but not of ranking. I was very disappointed with Slide It In. Nothing is near as strong as Slow n Easy. Guilty Of Love is great though.

Really?  That was my gateway Whitesnake album.  I thought it was great.

The first Whitesnake album I bought was the double live Live In The Heart Of The City. About that time, Slow An Easy came out as a single. Such a great tune. I bought Slide It In, and honestly didn't care for it, save for a couple of tunes.

You leave my Honeymoon Suite alone Tim. :lol

They belong in another thread with these:
-Prince - Purple Rain
-The Cars - Heartbeat City

No way Jose! :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2014, 04:29:48 AM
New Empires of Eden (Stu Marshall) song with Ralf Scheepers.  Pretty fucking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo58mGlrCfM
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 02, 2014, 05:16:06 AM
Whitesnake's Slide It In isn't a bad album, but one I don't really care for. For me it's the transition between the bluesier stuff and the heavy songs but it doesn't really deliver in each category.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2014, 06:11:52 AM
New Empires of Eden (Stu Marshall) song with Ralf Scheepers.  Pretty fucking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo58mGlrCfM

Not doing much for me ..........by the numbers power metal to my ears.  But then I wasn't as into Primal Fear's latest as everyone else  :angel:

 

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Post by: Bolsters on December 02, 2014, 07:08:19 AM
I couldn't even make it all the way through the song. By-the-numbers is right.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2014, 08:50:32 AM
Really strong year by my tastes.  Here is what my top 10 would probably look like:

1.  Y&T - In Rock We Trust:  Bummer it took the band this long to get a real "hit" and any sort of widespread acclaim.  It is hard for me to pick songs from this album that rise to the level of some of their real classics like Forever, Mean Streak, or Rescue Me, but this is easily their most consistent album to date.  Not a bad track on this entire album.
2.  Scorpions - Love At First Sting:  Blackout and LAFS were where the band really hit full stride in terms of perfectly blending that hard rock edge with commercial accessibility.  Rock You Like A Hurricane's guitar solo is one that I still consider top 10 all time.
3.  Queensryche - The Warning:  I was not into Queensryche at the time.  It was not until late in the Mindcrime era that I discovered them.  Even then, it took me a long time to get into The Warning.  But there is undoubtedly a lot of quality music on this album.
4.  Iron Maiden - Power Slave:  I was not into Maiden at the time, but have recently discovered them.  I actually find this album weak as a whole, due to the filler in the middle.  But on the strength of the first two songs and the last two alone, it deserves high marks.
5.  Whitesnake - Slide It In:  I wouldn't rank it nearly so high if not for the nostalgia and how much I played it back in the day.  Yeah, the songs were juvenile, but I just loved their sound.  And seeing them on this tour sandwiched between Kick Axe and Quiet Riot with Sykes on guitar cemented it.
6.  Kick Axe - Vices:  A little known gem that I played the heck out of. 
7.  Quiet Riot - Condition Critical:  This was a surprisingly fun album.  The songs translated well to a live setting, which I think took it up a few notches for me.
8.  Dio - Last In Line:  Last In Line and We Rock make this album.  I didn't really care for the rest.  ...other than Egypt.  Was that on the original release?  I don't remember it from that era and remember being really surprised when I heard it MANY years later.  Was it an extra track on a re-release or something, or did I just somehow overlook it at the time?  Not sure.
9.  Ratt - Out of the Cellar:  A few good songs, and some filler.  But the good songs were really good.
10.  Bon Jovi - s/t:  Yeah, I liked it.  Shut up.

Just missed the cut (in no particular order):
-Stryper:  Some good songs, but I prefer live versions from much later years.  The songwriting and playing chops were there.  But the vocals dragged some of their early songs down just a bit by making the songs overall sound softer.  Michael Sweet has even recently acknowledged that he much prefers his current voice to how he used his voice back then because he still has most of his range, but has been able to add more grit and edge, whereas his voice sounded more soft and feminine back then.  I agree.
-Van Halen:  Yeah, 1984 was such a classic, iconic album.  But I am just SO tired of Van Halen and have been for years.  Plus, I think the Sammy era saw a marked jump up in quality overall.
-Dokken:  These guys always seemed to consistently crank out a few really good songs every album.  This one is no exception.
-Warlock:  I only just got into the band when Triumph and Agony was released, so this one wasn't even on my radar at the time.  But it has some gems.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 09:55:26 AM
Nothing wrong with Bon Jovi being listed. It's a solid debut. They were great live on that tour. Impressed me do much I bought the tape the next day.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
Yikes...............you're right about Vertical Smiles TAC.   Just need to make sure it's not a Chris Isaak album in disguise.  Bronz was pissweak too...much more so than I remember - filed away under pompy AOR fluff. :)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on December 02, 2014, 12:42:14 PM
Yikes...............you're right about Vertical Smiles TAC.   Just need to make sure it's not a Chris Isaak album in disguise.  Bronz was pissweak too...much more so than I remember - filed away under pompy AOR fluff. :)

Never heard Bronz back in the day. Checking them out I can see why.  Not up to much.

Bosk1 - my top 10 will be very different to yours. I see 4-5 of them having a chance to make it. And you don't seem that impressed with the ones you've chosen  :lol

Nothing wrong with that Bon Jovi, it was a good start. They could only dream of making an album as good and as full of energy these days (pun intended  :biggrin:)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
Bosk1 - my top 10 will be very different to yours. I see 4-5 of them having a chance to make it. And you don't seem that impressed with the ones you've chosen  :lol

It's not that.  It's just that many of them have not aged well because my tastes have changed a lot in the last 30 years.  If I ranked them in terms of "most likely to get repeat spins within any reasonable span of time right now," my list would like something like:

1.  Maiden
...
2.  Queensryche
3.  Y&T
...
4.  Stryper
5.  Scorpions
6.  Kick Axe (if I still had a copy)
...
eh...the rest might get a spin a year.

Of the top 10, I loved all of them back in the day, save the two that I discovered and learned to love much later (Queensryche and Maiden).  But they are what they are, and immature songs full lyrics about partying and sexual innuendo aren't going to be high up on my current play list.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on December 02, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
Bosk1 - my top 10 will be very different to yours. I see 4-5 of them having a chance to make it. And you don't seem that impressed with the ones you've chosen  :lol

It's not that.  It's just that many of them have not aged well because my tastes have changed a lot in the last 30 years.  If I ranked them in terms of "most likely to get repeat spins within any reasonable span of time right now," my list would like something like:

1.  Maiden
...
2.  Queensryche
3.  Y&T
...
4.  Stryper
5.  Scorpions
6.  Kick Axe (if I still had a copy)
...
eh...the rest might get a spin a year.

Of the top 10, I loved all of them back in the day, save the two that I discovered and learned to love much later (Queensryche and Maiden). But they are what they are, and immature songs full lyrics about partying and sexual innuendo aren't going to be high up on my current play list.

I understand what you're saying and those lyrics are a lifetime away from my experience these days but I haven't lost the love of those albums at all. In fact it's much harder for new music to make that much of an impact. They were great days and those songs have history that the new ones can't hope to replicate.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 02:25:33 PM

I understand what you're saying and those lyrics are a lifetime away from my experience these days but I haven't lost the love of those albums at all. In fact it's much harder for new music to make that much of an impact. They were great days and those songs have history that the new ones can't hope to replicate.

Amen, brother!


Another great story from 1984 was the Deep Purple Reunion. I honestly never thought Perfect Strangers was that great, but them getting back together was monumental. Saw them in March '85 and was out of mind happy!

Did anyone else have this gem from 1984?. Paul DiAnno goes AOR! Even came with wardrobe endorsements!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/83/Di%27Anno_1984.jpg/220px-Di%27Anno_1984.jpg)

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2014, 03:53:32 PM
Thanks for your patience guys ...........almost there.  I'm trying to make this as authentic as possible and so making you wait a year between posts only seems right.

I've never been a huge Purple fan but as you'll see I surprised myself with how much I liked Perfect Strangers this time around.  I tend to like the favourites from my childhood just as much now , but with some other albums my tastes have changed quite a bit.

I've never seen that Dianno album - looks "interesting"
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
I've never seen that Dianno album - looks "interesting"

It's Paul Dianno as you've never heard him before. And never since! :lol



Anyway, take your time Brent. Since Bosk posted his list, here's mine. I wittled the HMs to 5.

1. Queensryche- Warning
2. Dio- The Last In Line
3. Saxon- Crusader
4. Iron Maiden-Powerslave
5. Yngwie Malmsteen- Rising Force
6. Waysted-EP
7. Metallica- Ride The Lightning
8. Jack Star- Out Of The Darkness
9. Armored Saint-March Of The Saint
10.Scorpions- Love At First Sting

Honorable Mentions:
Judas Priest- Defenders Of The Faith
Kiss- Animalize
Van Halen- 1984
Gary Moore- We Want Moore
Twisted Sister- Stay Hungry


1.  Y&T - In Rock We Trust:    It is hard for me to pick songs from this album that rise to the level of some of their real classics like Forever, Mean Streak, or Rescue Me,
Oh, I would definitely put Keep On Runnin' up with those classics.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tates-operation-mindcrime-signs-with-frontiers-music-srl/

Tate's band have been signed to Frontiers (okay......) and given "creative freedom"  :omg:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 04:11:42 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tates-operation-mindcrime-signs-with-frontiers-music-srl/

Tate's band have been signed to Frontiers (okay......) and given "creative freedom"  :omg:

Umm..we're trying to have a serious conversation in this thread! ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2014, 04:13:38 PM
Who's "we"?  ;D  I thought it fit in well with your Dianno  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2014, 04:15:18 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tates-operation-mindcrime-signs-with-frontiers-music-srl/

Tate's band have been signed to Frontiers (okay......) and given "creative freedom"  :omg:

Well, it's Geoff Tate, and it's being marketed as a trilogy.  Of course some label was going to pick it up.  My prediction:  It will be awful, but the first album will sell modestly well just because of the curiosity factor, the second will tank, and the third will not be noticed by anyone but the diehard Tate fans.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2014, 04:16:11 PM
7. Metallica- Ride The Lightning

Crap!  How did I forget this?  Okay, put this at #2 and slide everything else down a spot.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 04:18:47 PM
Who's "we"?  ;D  I thought it fit in well with your Dianno  ;D

I'd still take Paul DiAnno in Parachute Pants. :lol

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2014, 04:20:42 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tates-operation-mindcrime-signs-with-frontiers-music-srl/

Tate's band have been signed to Frontiers (okay......) and given "creative freedom"  :omg:

Well, it's Geoff Tate, and it's being marketed as a trilogy.  Of course some label was going to pick it up.

yes..............but Frontiers don't normally operate like that ("creative freedom") , especially with someone as volatile as Tate.  They're normally very insistent that their artists focus on/return to a style that fits their demographic.   Perhaps Tate is bullshitting - now there'd be a surprise. 
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on December 02, 2014, 04:58:42 PM
I've never heard about that Dianno either. Is it decent at least?

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 05:22:53 PM
I've never heard about that Dianno either. Is it decent at least?
NOT. AT. All.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jH_3RIZGOk

 :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: kingshmegland on December 02, 2014, 05:25:25 PM
I don't .......know...........what.......to....think..........
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on December 02, 2014, 06:06:51 PM
Yeesh
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
Actually I did like this track:
Tales Of The Unexpected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahiq7OhR3GM


Love the comment below the clip:
"This shit sucked then and it still sucks now...what the fuck was he thinking?"
 :metal

Yeesh

:lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2014, 07:34:53 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tates-operation-mindcrime-signs-with-frontiers-music-srl/

Tate's band have been signed to Frontiers (okay......) and given "creative freedom"  :omg:

Good lord.  I hope Tolkki isn't involved.  That would surely bring armageddon.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 02, 2014, 09:07:07 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/geoff-tates-operation-mindcrime-signs-with-frontiers-music-srl/

Tate's band have been signed to Frontiers (okay......) and given "creative freedom"  :omg:

Good lord.  I hope Tolkki isn't involved.  That would surely bring armageddon.

Don't two negatives make a positive though?  Tate + Tolkki could be a masterpiece!!

:footloose:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 02, 2014, 11:35:59 PM

Don't two negatives make a positive though?  Tate + Tolkki could be a masterpiece!!

:footloose:

That's what I was thinking  :hat
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on December 03, 2014, 04:45:00 AM
(https://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/will-smith-the-fuck.gif)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on December 03, 2014, 04:55:44 AM
Can't remember which thread we've been posting Sweet/Lynch stuff but here's a new video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmmolV-B7xE

This album is sounding wonderful.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Bolsters on December 03, 2014, 05:00:50 AM
Not bad. I'll check that out when it's available.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on December 03, 2014, 05:10:55 AM
It's actually one of my most anticipated upcoming releases.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 03, 2014, 08:06:25 AM
Mark your diary Paul - new UDO due January 23rd.

(https://www.melodicrock.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_image_full_node/public/field/image/udo-decadent.jpg?itok=jiuBC64J)


One more album to listen to for 1984 and then done. Phew!!  And then a few very badly needed days off from the 80's before I think about 1985.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on December 03, 2014, 09:28:10 AM
Can't remember which thread we've been posting Sweet/Lynch stuff but here's a new video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmmolV-B7xE

This album is sounding wonderful.

There is a thread for it, but that's okay. 

Yeah, I am liking the sound of this so far.  I am guessing George is doing all the guitars on the album, but I am holding out hope that there is some blistering double guitar stuff between him and Michael somewhere on the album.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2014, 09:53:33 AM
Wow. I gotta say, the last two songs released are really good. I may actually go for this.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 03, 2014, 10:15:59 AM
Get there eventually I did (https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sw025.gif)

As has been mentioned 1984 was an extremely strong year and also a year where hair metal began to really make its presence felt - as it will in my lists from here.  Briefly a few events for the year:

- Van Halen release their last album with DLR
- Rick Allen loses his arm in a car accident
- Spinal Tap release their "classic" debut and of course album cover of the year right there

(https://muslib.ru/photos/albumData/f_3/26761/170105.jpg)

-  Vince Neil proves what a tool he is by getting blind drunk, getting in the driver's seat and killing Razzle (Hanoi Rocks drummer) in the resultant prang

- Deep Purple re-form for Perfect Strangers


Helix almost got No 1 in my top 10 just for this video alone , which is easily music vid of the year :zydar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3TGZvg8_FI

The list is below - one thing that's pretty clear to me is that all the listening that I've done has resulted in a very different (and much,much larger) list than if I'd just done it from memory.   And once again a couple of bands that I was never much of a fan of have made it - not Iron Maiden in this one though.


TOP 10 ALBUMS OF 1984  - I've tried to avoid ties where I can but it was too hard here......

1. Van Halen : 1984(TIE)
1. Yngwie Malmsteen : Rising Force(TIE)
3. W.A.S.P.:s/t
4. Dokken : Tooth And Nail
5: Deep Purple: Perfect Strangers
6. Ratt: Out Of The Cellar
7 Great White: s/t
8. Santers: Guitar Alley
9. Whitesnake: Slide It In (US version)
10 Scorpions: Love At First Sting


I haven't made a habit of discussing specific rankings but here it might help to provide some context as to the strength of the year (IMO).   I don't consider myself to be an easy marker and I had the lowest ranked album in the Top 10 at 89%.     

Right below them at 88% in the "bee's dick list" (TM)  (and on any given day I may have rated these 89%.......I'd be more than happy to see them in the Top 10) we have the following:

Bon Jovi: s/t
Europe: Wings Of TOmorrow
Y&T: In Rock We Trust
Triumph: Thunder Seven
Helix: Walkin The Razor's Edge

If I had kept the HM cutoff at 75% it would've resulted in 40+ ..............as it is there's still plenty.  All of these rated 80%+ and are very deserving of a mention

Black'n'Blue   s/t   
Armored Saint   March Of The Saint   
The Rods   Let Them Eat Metal   
Lee Aaron   Metal Queen   
Manowar   Hail To England   
Icon   Icon   
Judas Priest   Defenders of the Faith   
Twisted Sister   Stay Hungry   
Queensryche   The Warning   
Dio    The Last In Line   
Autograph   Sign In Please   
Metallica   Ride The Lightning   
Grim Reaper   See You In Hell   
Sammy Hagar    VOA   
Keel   Lay Down The Law   
Krokus   The Blitz   
Gary Moore   We Want Moore   
Waysted   Waysted EP   
TKO   In Your Face   
Stone Fury   Burns Like A Star   
Q5   Steel The Light   
Pretty Maids   Red Hot and Heavy   
Samson   Don't Get Mad, Get Even   
   

Fire away..........
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2014, 10:34:19 AM
Alrighty then.

Wow, you have WASP rated pretty high. I actually listened to it last night.
I remember a friend of mine gave me a 90 minut tape with March Of The Saint on one side, and WASP on the other. Thought both had really unique singers and to me, they'll always be sister albums. But a few years later I would become a huge Armored Saint fan, so while I probably listened to WASP more in 1984, AS ultimately won out for me.

I was definitely into Helix back then. Not a great band, but they had some pretty good music. Sweet spot kind of stuff. I was with them for their first three albums. One of my best friends actually corresponded with the bass player I think, receiving a hand written note.

Glad you listed Rising Force. It's one of two albums you have that is also on my list. The "coming out" of Yngwie was a huge thing. I had been following him through Steeler and Alcatrazz, but here is was doing HIS music. I was amazed with it. Far Beyond The Sun might be my all time favorite instrumental ever.

Ironically, I was not a fan of Powerslave when it came out. The single, 2 Minutes used an old recycled main riff and I thought it was metal by numbers. I thought Rime was long just for the sake of being long. They were so into promoting that they wrote a long song. Whoopee. I thought everything about it was cliched and I was really dissapointed with it. Had it not been for Accept opening the following year, I might've missed the World Slavery tour. :omg:

I could go on and on..
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 03, 2014, 10:52:13 AM
With the Maiden riff are you referring to one of theirs or this one..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2HDpHBR_ag
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
With the Maiden riff are you referring to one of theirs or this one..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2HDpHBR_ag

Bingo!!

And this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM

and this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzC0bGCdxis

and this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCBV6o_DSE

and this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOcRut2UM9g

and of course leave it to these guys to resurrect it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mtJEwSYlRM
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 03, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
I would put Powerslave at the top or maybe second after 1984.

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
1984 is really strong. Once you get past the crap that is Jump, Panama, and I'll Wait, you have  5 damn good and heavy songs. I guess Panama is ok but it's way overplayed for me. Honestly I was never really crazy about it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on December 03, 2014, 11:20:21 AM
I stumbled onto a review of 1984 the other day that listed Girl Gone Bad and House Of Pain as "filler".   No way man .........I really don't dislike anything on it but those two tracks are classics in my book.

Jump gets away with it for me because of the solo section............the guitars and the keys with the pick slides going on behind , which adds that classic VH touch.  I used to proudly tell everyone (as a young kid) that the same guy - my idol- was playing the key AND guitar solos  ::)   Same with I'll Wait.............killer solo with all the weird little EVH touches I love.

If there's one track I'm a bit sick of I think it'd be Panama..........probably just due to over exposure to it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2014, 11:27:41 AM
I stumbled onto a review of 1984 the other day that listed Girl Gone Bad and House Of Pain as "filler".   No way man .........
House Of Pain is AWESOME!!!

That same reviewer :lol would probably try and tell you that The Full Bug was filler on Diver Down!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: kingshmegland on December 03, 2014, 11:39:00 AM
Compared to Fair Warning 1984 is not as good.  It's an average album for VH.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on December 03, 2014, 01:07:02 PM
84 has a lot of classics.

Priest, Maiden, Dio, WASP, Armored Saint, Spinal Tap, QR would lead the pack for me.

We've talked about Icon before. Their debut is straight up 80s metal at its best.

I had heard a cover of Q5 from a band called Powergod; that's a cool song, never heard the full album though.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Compared to Fair Warning 1984 is not as good.  It's an average album for VH.

I remember sleeping at my grandmother's house New Year's Eve because at midnight on 1/1/84, MTV was world premiering the new Van Halen video. (She lived in the city and had cable/we lived in the boonies and did not).
Then I watched the Jump video and was disgusted! :lol


Fair Warning
Van Halen
Women And Children First
1984
Van Halen II
Diver Down
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: kingshmegland on December 03, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
Damn.  Almost the same for me.  Just flip 1984 with VHII and it's exact.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 03, 2014, 02:07:46 PM
VH ranking, here goes:

Fair Warning
1984/Van Halen
.
.
.
Women and Children First
Van Halen II
Diver Down

And yes, Girls gone bad is kinda filler, at least for me.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2014, 02:20:14 PM
No, I did NOT take this picture. Got it off Google Images. But I did see this tour. Autograph opened and were practically booed off the stage.
(https://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee310/wingnutLS2/VanHalen1984Stage2.jpg)

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on December 03, 2014, 04:34:14 PM
1984 is really strong. Once you get past the crap that is Jump, Panama, and I'll Wait, you have  5 damn good and heavy songs. I guess Panama is ok but it's way overplayed for me. Honestly I was never really crazy about it.

They are the ones I like best. It's a good album but again short and some filler (1984, Drop Dead Legs - ok I guess, and the last 2)

Can't argue with the list Brent, there's only 3 albums in the whole post I don't rate - not a big Triumph fan - never heard them back in the day and only gave them ago recently. I like what I've heard but not heard this album.

I'd do some reordering and ManOwaR's Sign Of The Hammer was also released this year wasn't it? At least as good as HTE.
There's several Lowdz top 50 albums this year - Survivor's Vital Signs probably just makes the definition. Q5 is a classic 80s metal album, Last In Line, Gary Moore's We Want Moore.

Several albums were very close. Perfect Strangers (I thought this one was in my top 50... should have been), Wings Of Tomorrow, The Queensryche and Priest albums, WASP, Y&T and I do like that Vow Wow album I mentioned earlier, and the TKO.

A great year.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on December 03, 2014, 05:12:04 PM
1984 is really strong. Once you get past the crap that is Jump, Panama, and I'll Wait, you have  5 damn good and heavy songs. I guess Panama is ok but it's way overplayed for me. Honestly I was never really crazy about it.

They are the ones I like best.
Of course they are! ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on December 03, 2014, 07:25:25 PM
Can't remember which thread we've been posting Sweet/Lynch stuff but here's a new video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmmolV-B7xE

This album is sounding wonderful.

There is a thread for it, but that's okay. 

Yeah, I am liking the sound of this so far.  I am guessing George is doing all the guitars on the album, but I am holding out hope that there is some blistering double guitar stuff between him and Michael somewhere on the album.

Yeah I totally forgot there was a thead.  I'm hoping for some duel stuff too.  What I've heard so far from Michael Sweet on the guitar has been fantastic.

1984 for me has Maiden, WASP, Dio, Dokken, Priest, Malmsteen, Mercyful Fate, Gary Moore, Queensryche, Rush, Savatage etc. Awesome year.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 03, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
1984 is really strong. Once you get past the crap that is Jump, Panama, and I'll Wait, you have  5 damn good and heavy songs. I guess Panama is ok but it's way overplayed for me. Honestly I was never really crazy about it.

Jump and Panama are still the best of the album foo.
House of Pain is filler. Can't stand that crap. That and Top Jimmy are the only duds on the album.

Last in Line and Ride the Lightning should have made top 10, and I'm not even that big on RTL.

Also overall UK Slide It In > US Slide It In, although the US version has a far superior sounding mix. But it's missing a lot of the vocal harmonies, the original basslines were better, and the extra woozling sounds silly some of the time.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 03, 2014, 09:16:33 PM
I see Leverage have just released a Greatest Hits.............seriously?  :lol
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Post by: Mosh on December 03, 2014, 11:23:29 PM
1984 is an amazing album. Yes it's drenched in keyboards, but the songwriting is really great and whenever Eddie busts out his guitar he delivers big time. Seriously, some of his best guitar work is on this album. House of Pain is the only song I don't like, but everything else is great. I haven't gotten tired of Jump or Panama and I really love Drop Dead Legs and I'll Wait.

I'd probably rank 'em like this:
1: Fair Warning
2: 1984
3: Van Halen
4: Diver Down (controversial pick?)
5: Van Halen II
6: Women and Children First

All 6 are classic though, legendary album run.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 04, 2014, 12:47:23 AM
All are classics and you can't go wrong with any of the 6. But I don't think I've ever seen anyone favor Diver Down over VH2.
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Post by: wolfking on December 04, 2014, 04:23:27 AM
I see Leverage have just released a Greatest Hits.............seriously?  :lol

What the fuck, they have three albums and no hits!? :lol
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Post by: TAC on December 04, 2014, 05:25:28 AM
But I don't think I've ever seen anyone favor Diver Down over VH2.
Or anything for that matter. ;D

I see a lot of you guys list Ratt-Out OF The Cellar. I bought it as well. There was a lot of buzz around them at the time. And Round And Round was such a great song, but I realized very quickly that getting through a whole album with Stephen Pearcy "singing" was going to be a challenge. He sucks! I remember having a Circus magazine in high school, and this girl looks at a pic of him and goes, "He's so fine". I'm thinking are we looking at the same person??

Brent, I know you're going to take a brief break from the 80's, but looking ahead to 1985, yes, it was considerably weaker. Making a Top 10 was easy, and honestly, It was tough to scrape up some Hnorable Mentions.
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Post by: Lowdz on December 04, 2014, 01:07:35 PM
I see Leverage have just released a Greatest Hits.............seriously?  :lol

I love the band but that will be one short album...  :biggrin:
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Post by: Lowdz on December 04, 2014, 01:09:50 PM
1984 is an amazing album. Yes it's drenched in keyboards, but the songwriting is really great and whenever Eddie busts out his guitar he delivers big time. Seriously, some of his best guitar work is on this album. House of Pain is the only song I don't like, but everything else is great. I haven't gotten tired of Jump or Panama and I really love Drop Dead Legs and I'll Wait.

I'd probably rank 'em like this:
1: Fair Warning
2: 1984
3: Van Halen
4: Diver Down (controversial pick?)
5: Van Halen II
6: Women and Children First

All 6 are classic though, legendary album run.

I think I agree completely with this ranking.
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Post by: TAC on December 04, 2014, 04:11:28 PM
I have never in my life heard of Leverage.
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Post by: Mosh on December 04, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
All are classics and you can't go wrong with any of the 6. But I don't think I've ever seen anyone favor Diver Down over VH2.
I'll admit, this part of the ranking is largely sentimental. I didn't listen to those two bottom albums until long after getting into Van Halen. So I didn't grow up with those records like I did the others. So Diver Down has some more value to me because of that. And honestly there's quite a few songs on II I could never get into.

That said, I still really love Diver Down whenever I put it on. It's pretty brief and there are lots of covers but I don't mind. I quite enjoy the covers and I think the original songs (particularly Secrets, Hang Em High, Little Guitars) are up there with VH's best.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 04, 2014, 04:49:13 PM
I have never in my life heard of Leverage.
Where you been man?  Under a rock?

They were Top 10 in the Bolivian power/melodic metal charts for three straight weeks.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 04, 2014, 04:52:46 PM
I've never heard of Leverage either. They don't sound like anything special lol
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Post by: Lowdz on December 05, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
I've never heard of Leverage either. They don't sound like anything special lol

The first album, Tides, is excellent. One of the top 10 best melodic hard rock albums of this millenium for me. That album was their greatest hits  :biggrin:
Worth a try jj.
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Post by: Lowdz on December 05, 2014, 10:56:19 AM
All are classics and you can't go wrong with any of the 6. But I don't think I've ever seen anyone favor Diver Down over VH2.
I'll admit, this part of the ranking is largely sentimental. I didn't listen to those two bottom albums until long after getting into Van Halen. So I didn't grow up with those records like I did the others. So Diver Down has some more value to me because of that. And honestly there's quite a few songs on II I could never get into.

That said, I still really love Diver Down whenever I put it on. It's pretty brief and there are lots of covers but I don't mind. I quite enjoy the covers and I think the original songs (particularly Secrets, Hang Em High, Little Guitars) are up there with VH's best.

I love Big Bad Bill and Happy trails best. And I'm not joking  :biggrin:
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 05, 2014, 11:16:14 AM
I've never heard of Leverage either. They don't sound like anything special lol

The first album, Tides, is excellent. One of the top 10 best melodic hard rock albums of this millenium for me. That album was their greatest hits  :biggrin:
Worth a try jj.

I suspect it was you that gave me a track in my last Roulette then?  Very good tune - Dreamworld.
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Post by: TAC on December 05, 2014, 12:56:41 PM
That said, I still really love Diver Down whenever I put it on. It's pretty brief and there are lots of covers but I don't mind. I quite enjoy the covers and I think the original songs (particularly Secrets, Hang Em High, Little Guitars) are up there with VH's best.

I love Big Bad Bill and Happy trails best. And I'm not joking  :biggrin:
Why the hell does that not surprise me?
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Post by: Lowdz on December 05, 2014, 02:15:41 PM
I've never heard of Leverage either. They don't sound like anything special lol

The first album, Tides, is excellent. One of the top 10 best melodic hard rock albums of this millenium for me. That album was their greatest hits  :biggrin:
Worth a try jj.

Indeed it was. took me a good while to decide which track to use, such is the quality of the album.

I suspect it was you that gave me a track in my last Roulette then?  Very good tune - Dreamworld.
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Post by: wolfking on December 05, 2014, 03:50:32 PM
The second Leverage album was pretty good, but the last one IMO was ordinary.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 05, 2014, 04:31:51 PM
I've never heard of Leverage either. They don't sound like anything special lol

The first album, Tides, is excellent. One of the top 10 best melodic hard rock albums of this millenium for me. That album was their greatest hits  :biggrin:
Worth a try jj.

Indeed it was. took me a good while to decide which track to use, such is the quality of the album.

I suspect it was you that gave me a track in my last Roulette then?  Very good tune - Dreamworld.

Using quotes:  You suck at it!
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Post by: Mosh on December 05, 2014, 05:58:16 PM
All are classics and you can't go wrong with any of the 6. But I don't think I've ever seen anyone favor Diver Down over VH2.
I'll admit, this part of the ranking is largely sentimental. I didn't listen to those two bottom albums until long after getting into Van Halen. So I didn't grow up with those records like I did the others. So Diver Down has some more value to me because of that. And honestly there's quite a few songs on II I could never get into.

That said, I still really love Diver Down whenever I put it on. It's pretty brief and there are lots of covers but I don't mind. I quite enjoy the covers and I think the original songs (particularly Secrets, Hang Em High, Little Guitars) are up there with VH's best.

I love Big Bad Bill and Happy trails best. And I'm not joking  :biggrin:
Oh me too! Jan Van Halen's clarinet playing is great. Such a talented family they've got there.
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Post by: Lowdz on December 06, 2014, 02:40:57 AM
I've never heard of Leverage either. They don't sound like anything special lol

The first album, Tides, is excellent. One of the top 10 best melodic hard rock albums of this millenium for me. That album was their greatest hits  :biggrin:
Worth a try jj.

Indeed it was. took me a good while to decide which track to use, such is the quality of the album.

I suspect it was you that gave me a track in my last Roulette then?  Very good tune - Dreamworld.

Seems I do  :lol

Using quotes:  You suck at it!

Did you see what I did there?  :biggrin:
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Post by: TAC on December 06, 2014, 07:12:15 AM
I'd like to see Kingshmegland try something like that.  Probably shut the entire interwebz down!  :lol
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Post by: WebRaider on December 06, 2014, 08:57:22 PM
I stumbled onto a review of 1984 the other day that listed Girl Gone Bad and House Of Pain as "filler".   No way man .........I really don't dislike anything on it but those two tracks are classics in my book.

Jump gets away with it for me because of the solo section............the guitars and the keys with the pick slides going on behind , which adds that classic VH touch.  I used to proudly tell everyone (as a young kid) that the same guy - my idol- was playing the key AND guitar solos  ::)   Same with I'll Wait.............killer solo with all the weird little EVH touches I love.

If there's one track I'm a bit sick of I think it'd be Panama..........probably just due to over exposure to it.


Girl Gone Bad and House of Pain are songs that are some of my favorite underrated Van Halen tunes. They're more edgier metal-esque than some of their catalog. I love pretty much everything classic VH did (not so much all the covers) but songs like these are cool to me cause they were a little left of center for the band.
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Post by: WebRaider on December 06, 2014, 08:58:42 PM
No, I did NOT take this picture. Got it off Google Images. But I did see this tour. Autograph opened and were practically booed off the stage.
(https://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee310/wingnutLS2/VanHalen1984Stage2.jpg)

 :metal :metal :metal



Ahem.....   ;D
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Post by: WebRaider on December 06, 2014, 09:14:22 PM
This is a preliminary run-down of how I think I would rate 1984.... feel like I'm missing a few...

1. Van Halen - 1984
2. Dokken - Tooth And Nail
3. Ratt - Out Of The Cellar
4. Metallica - Ride The Lightning
5. Whitesnake - Slide It In
6. Scorpions - Love At First Sting
7. Dio - The Last In Line
8. Steve Vai - Flex-Able
9. Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force
10 W.A.S.P. - s/t
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Post by: bl5150 on December 07, 2014, 09:59:00 PM
Nice list Webraider.


Hey guys..........check out this PoS from PoS  ;D

Holy Diver  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDs41rgyCbw
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 07, 2014, 10:34:16 PM
WTF
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Post by: Bolsters on December 07, 2014, 10:46:42 PM
Not really a fan of that, but at least they tried to do something different with the song. I don't see the point of or the appeal of listening to a cover that's exactly the same as the original. I like it when bands take a song and make it their own instead of playing it exactly the same way the original band did.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 07, 2014, 10:57:06 PM
I don't see the point of covering a song if you're going to play it absolutely nothing like the original. Why even bother?

I don't mind when a band changes a song to suit their style, like changing the key, arranging it to fit their specific instruments, changing up some melodies, adding some of their own signature embellishments, but if you're playing it that differently, I see it as disrespectful to the original, like it wasn't right as it is. It should still be the same song at its core. That bore zero resemblance to the original other than the lyrics. It was just worthless and pointless.

I prefer covers to be close to the originals. Just the process of a band covering a song already imparts their own character on it to make it different enough to the original. I don't think I've ever liked a cover that was that different to the original, unless it's some joke Youtube thing you watch once for a laugh, or if I didn't like the original song to begin with.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 07, 2014, 10:59:29 PM
I agree Blob.

Not a cover per se but have you heard this?   Just the DLR scream at the start over that music cracks me up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-kF4r08y5k
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 07, 2014, 11:01:21 PM
:lol I might have heard it before, I can't remember. That one's well done. I have a ton of multi-tracks sitting on my computer, including all of the VH ones. I should try something like that one time.
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Post by: TAC on December 08, 2014, 01:03:59 PM
I agree Blob.

Not a cover per se but have you heard this?   Just the DLR scream at the start over that music cracks me up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-kF4r08y5k
Holy shit! :rollin
That is AWESOME!!!!! Love when the prechorus and the drums come in together.



Also, just came back from the library. Brought back Paul Stanley's book and picked up Joe Perry's.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 09, 2014, 02:08:06 AM
Speaking of books today I picked up I Am Ozzy (Ebay: 99c  ;D  ) and ordered Bob Daisley's book "For Facts Sake" which is apparently a really interesting account of his time with Ozzy/Blizzard of Ozz, Rainbow, Gary Moore, Malmsteen etc......  looking forward to that one if I ever find the time.  He wrote so many of my favourite songs it's not funny...........whether he got credit or not :)
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2014, 05:58:14 AM
I will definitely get to Daisley's book. I also read Rudy Sarzo's Off The Rails. I'm not sure I would be interested in Ozzy's. How could you trust any of it?
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Post by: bl5150 on December 09, 2014, 06:00:04 AM
Yeah I know........I felt the same until I checked the reviews around the place for Ozzy's book and was surprised to see it almost universally positive.  I'll let you know if I get my 99c worth  :lol
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 09, 2014, 06:01:58 AM
I'd have no reason to doubt the sincerity of Ozzy's words, although I would doubt his ability to even remember what he had for breakfast today, let alone what was happening at the time. :lol

If you want to read some good fiction, go read Hulk Hogan or Ace Frehley's bio's.
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2014, 06:05:06 AM
Well that's just it. How the hell is Ozzy going to remember anything. Nothing against Sharon, but this book is going to be what Sharon wants the reader to know.

I have Ace Frehley's. I was severely disappointed with it. You could really tell that it was written by the coauthor. There were passages where you could know that Ace doesn't talk like that.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 09, 2014, 06:06:43 AM
So it made sense , huh?
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 09, 2014, 06:07:44 AM
:lol
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Post by: kingshmegland on December 09, 2014, 06:13:10 AM
 :lol

Read Paul's recently and Ace's.  My cousin loved Rudy Sarzo's.  I haven't got to it yet.
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2014, 06:16:11 AM
So it made sense , huh?
Exactly!

Speaking of Daisley:
https://bravewords.com/news/former-ozzy-osbourne-bassist-bob-daisley-slams-classic-rocks-roll-of-honour-awards-insulting-and-disrespectful-to-randy-rhoads-they-should-be-ashamed

Going to listen to the interview now.

For Fact's Sake is finally listed on Amazon, but at $40. Not buying it until the price comes down.


Another Edit: The above Daisley interview is AWESOME!!
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Post by: wkiml on December 09, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
my top 11 for 1984 because I couldn't narrow it down any further

1   Mercyful Fate  Don't Break the Oath
2   Metal Church   Metal Church'
3   Anthrax   Fist Full of Metal
4   Yngwie     Rising Force
5    Metallica Ride the Lightning
6   Wasp     Wasp
7   Fates Warning   Night on Brocken
8   Venom    At war with Satan
9  Queensryche   Warning
10  Scorpions   Love at First Sting
11   Dio   Last in Line 
 
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2014, 12:47:17 PM
THAT'S a metal list, bro! :metal
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Post by: wkiml on December 09, 2014, 01:15:50 PM
Never really into Hard Rock as I got older I can appreciate some of it but when making the list I was thinking about what I listened at that time

Honestly most of those I still listen too

Don't Break the Oath and Metal Church S/T would probably both fall in my top 10 albums of all time
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2014, 01:35:53 PM
I had Melissa, I beleive, and ended up trading it away. I could never get into Mercyful Fate. Didn't care for the image at all.
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Post by: wkiml on December 09, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
MF was a band you either loved or hated  didn't seem to be any middle ground with them . I for one never really cared what image a band was trying to present, it was more about the music
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Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2014, 02:40:33 PM
I had Melissa, I beleive, and ended up trading it away. I could never get into Mercyful Fate. Didn't care for the image at all.

wut?

Such an amazing, iconic metal album.  Saying that though, I'd probably take Oath over it.

MF's entire catalog IMO is really strong.  I'm a huge fan of their forgotten 90's output.  Some really tremendous metal on those.
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2014, 03:05:39 PM
Wolf, I'd have to take you back to 1984 with me. I had Kill 'Em All when it came out. Fistful, the first Tank album and Mercyful Fate. But at some point during that year, after having this quick exposure, I sort of lost interest in what would basically become thrash. I got heavily into UFO, Maiden, Dio. I wasn't a prude, but even as a 14 or 15 year old kid, I had something inside me that caused me to drift away from certain images, and I had no interest in anything Satanic, as MF "supposedly were". I actually traded a bunch of tapes to a friend of mine.

I wouldn't get back into thrash/speed metal until I heard Keepers Pt.1. I sampled Master Of Puppets when it came out, because I was going to see them open for Ozzy. I still wasn't in love with them. I got back into them with Garage Days Rerevisited.

I actually ignored King Diamond throughout the 80's because of his so called image. I walked out of two KD Club shows in the late 80's after going to see the opening bands. I had a friend who was very into KD. I thought the music was great but I couldn't stand HIM.

I got into KD and MF about 7 years ago, and have gone and grabbed their back catalogs.
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Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2014, 03:09:32 PM
That's fair enough.  I could see at the time how the image would be a bit off putting.  For me, I got into them about 8 or so years ago, so the image wasn't an issue for me.  Good to see you fixed that problem now though.  :tup
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Post by: TAC on December 09, 2014, 03:20:15 PM
Yeah, I've made my peace with MF/KD. I really appreciate the music, but I'm still not a great fan of KD vocally. The music is really great though.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 09, 2014, 04:20:04 PM
I reviewed Melissa and DBTO for the lists but neither even made my 70% cutoff for a proper rating.   Personally I'm not fussed about the content etc......and I can handle his voice about half the time ........I just didn't think the songs were there.  The one song I really liked out of the lot was The Oath.  Aside from that there were 4 or 5 tracks across both albums that I rated very good and the rest did little for me at all.

I find stuff like Abigail much more consistent than Mercyful Fate.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 09, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
Not much of a fan, but you can't deny the song "A Dangerous Meeting".  Very cool!
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Post by: wolfking on December 10, 2014, 04:32:09 AM
Not much of a fan, but you can't deny the song "A Dangerous Meeting".  Very cool!
]

That would be my fav on the album, amazing song.

I find stuff like Abigail much more consistent than Mercyful Fate.

I would agree with this.  I think KD in general is a lot more consistent than MF, and more accessable.
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Post by: TAC on December 10, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
New Priest reissue of Defenders with a full concert from that tour. I'm up for this.
https://bravewords.com/news/judas-priest-remastered-expanded-version-of-classic-defenders-of-the-faith-album-announced
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 10, 2014, 08:52:47 AM
Hell yes!!!! This is a must buy for me. I was wondering if a deluxe edition was going to be released at some point. But as 2014 was coming to a close, it didn't sound like it was going to happen. I figured 30 year anniversary, it was likely to happen. Cool news!!
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Post by: Zydar on December 10, 2014, 08:54:45 AM
Nice!
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Post by: TAC on December 10, 2014, 10:07:55 AM
Yeah, the fact that there's a full concert being released is awesome. I always hate the obligatory live tracks. It's always a giant tease. I want the full show!!
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Post by: Lowdz on December 10, 2014, 03:11:11 PM
I'll be all over this one. Shame there's no dvd...
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Post by: Lowdz on December 10, 2014, 03:19:12 PM
Yeah I know........I felt the same until I checked the reviews around the place for Ozzy's book and was surprised to see it almost universally positive.  I'll let you know if I get my 99c worth  :lol

I read his book Diary Of A Madman back in the 80s when he was still a metal god and not a mumbling fool. Funniest book I ever read  :lol
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Post by: wolfking on December 10, 2014, 10:52:31 PM
Yeah, the fact that there's a full concert being released is awesome. I always hate the obligatory live tracks. It's always a giant tease. I want the full show!!

I'll pick it up for the live show, but wasn't there a VHS of this tour?  Also, no bonus tracks at all.
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Post by: wolfking on December 11, 2014, 03:38:02 AM
Damn.  Get better Nige.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/saxon-drummer-nigel-glocker-rushed-to-hospital-remaining-uk-dates-postponed/
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 11, 2014, 04:29:33 AM
Crappy news
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Post by: El Barto on December 11, 2014, 03:10:50 PM
That's a damn shame. Last time I saw them was a year ago and the man was great. He also got the loudest cheers of the night from people excited to see him back (he hadn't been to Texas in ages).
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Post by: TAC on December 11, 2014, 03:12:21 PM
I can't believe how well he's drumming at his age. They have a date announced in Worcester in May. With Armored Saint!! :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 11, 2014, 04:09:56 PM
That would be an awesome double bill!!

Hopefully something new from Armored Saint this year!
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Post by: Deathless on December 11, 2014, 08:08:41 PM
That would be an awesome double bill!!

Hopefully something new from Armored Saint this year!

They're working on a new album. John Bush made a funny joke about Metal Blade not making any money off them, so it should be through MB again.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 11, 2014, 09:15:24 PM
Cool news.

Armored Saint IMO has never released anything sub par. All of their albums are awesome; a very very underrated band.
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Post by: wolfking on December 12, 2014, 04:15:56 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/saxon-drummer-nigel-glockler-undergoes-surgery-for-brain-aneurysm/

Shit, more bad news for Nigel.
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Post by: TAC on December 12, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Cool news.

Armored Saint IMO has never released anything sub par. All of their albums are awesome; a very very underrated band.
Yeah, but they are a live band through and through. I'm not sure Chrysalis on the first two albums was ever really able to capture the essense of that.
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Post by: TAC on December 12, 2014, 01:57:19 PM
Can't wait for this album!
Songs included in link.
https://bravewords.com/news/serious-black-featuring-roland-grapow-and-urban-breed-release-sealing-my-fate-single-audio-preview-streaming
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2014, 03:07:09 PM
Can't wait for this album!
Songs included in link.
https://bravewords.com/news/serious-black-featuring-roland-grapow-and-urban-breed-release-sealing-my-fate-single-audio-preview-streaming

Awesome!!!  I'm seriously looking forward to this one too.
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Post by: Lowdz on December 12, 2014, 03:58:58 PM
Can't wait for this album!
Songs included in link.
https://bravewords.com/news/serious-black-featuring-roland-grapow-and-urban-breed-release-sealing-my-fate-single-audio-preview-streaming

Awesome!!!  I'm seriously looking forward to this one too.

I'm excited for this one. Maybe a Unisonic beater...
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Post by: wolfking on December 12, 2014, 04:35:58 PM
Sounding pretty promising.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 12, 2014, 04:50:08 PM
Man, I remember when this thread used to be about good music. 
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Post by: wolfking on December 12, 2014, 05:26:05 PM
Man, I remember when this thread used to be about good music.

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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2014, 06:04:32 PM
Man, I remember when this thread used to be about good music.

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Post by: TAC on December 13, 2014, 07:05:29 AM
Seems like Brent had a serious 1984 burn. I wonder how 1985 is coming along.

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Post by: bl5150 on December 13, 2014, 07:08:10 AM
Seems like Brent had a serious 1984 burn. I wonder how 1985 is coming along.

 ;D  You're right.........pushing myself to do 100 or so album scores in a week burned me out a bit and took a bit of the fun out of it.   I am doing 1985 but mixing it up with some newer releases and not putting a deadline on it.   Should be done this week though.
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Post by: TAC on December 13, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
No rush, bro. No rush at all.


Seriously no Rush, Power Windows doesn't count! ;D
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 13, 2014, 03:13:34 PM
There were some outstanding albums released in 1985
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Post by: wolfking on December 16, 2014, 04:37:14 AM
New Russ Allen and Mat Sinner song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5pZfEOmBuDQ

Pretty dark.  I'm not sure if Roland had a hand in the songwriting, but I hear a lot of his influence here.  I think I like this.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 16, 2014, 10:52:24 AM
I  really like that tune.
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Post by: El Barto on December 16, 2014, 12:11:35 PM
Nigel seems to be recovering from the second surgery, and the prognosis appears good.

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Post by: bosk1 on December 16, 2014, 12:11:57 PM
Seems like Brent had a serious 1984 burn. I wonder how 1985 is coming along.

I will save it until Brent posts his 1985, but I will say it was a major step down from 1985 for me.  I can't even do a top 10.  I can list 8 albums, and quite a few of those would not even make a "top __" list if it were a stronger year.  And 2 "live" albums are on that list as well.   
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Post by: TAC on December 16, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
Yeah, I actually made a Top 10, but don't really have HMs.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 16, 2014, 01:31:25 PM
Good to hear about Nigel!
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Post by: wolfking on December 16, 2014, 01:36:03 PM
Good to hear about Nigel!

Definitely.  It certainly was a bit of a concern.
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Post by: TAC on December 16, 2014, 01:44:03 PM
Yeah, hoping for a recovery.

I'd love to have a beer with Biff. :yarr
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 16, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
Yeah, hoping for a recovery.

I'd love to have a beer with Biff. :yarr

I would bet $1000 that Biff can't go one minute without swearing
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Post by: wolfking on December 16, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
Yeah, hoping for a recovery.

I'd love to have a beer with Biff. :yarr

I would bet $1000 that Biff can't go one minute without swearing

I think me and Biff would get on really well then.
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Post by: TAC on December 17, 2014, 08:43:57 AM
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RJookrPOXMQ/TQOm36fRGpI/AAAAAAAAANw/trbue8STn4I/s320/capa%2Bmetalhead.jpg)(https://www.oocities.org/sunsetstrip/amphitheatre/5841/kiss19.jpg)

And Tim, great picks. Outstanding live Dio and top tier Saxon and Kiss


Thought I'd move this here. Perhaps we'll have band related discussions in the future in this thread, but I wanted to post a couple of things.
First, I have always been a Saxon fan. Kind of didn't pay attention after Innocence up until Lionheart. But over the last decade, they have really solidified a spot and likely cracked the TAC Top 10 Band list. They have truly never been better.
And secondly regarding Animalize, this was really the album that got me back into Kiss. Creatures came and went, as did Lick It Up. Thought both were decent, but it wasn't until Animalized that I was convinced that Kiss were indeed back. It is their heaviest album, and it was only after that that I truly appreciated their efforts on Creatures.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 17, 2014, 09:09:19 AM
Perhaps we'll have band related discussions in the future in this thread

For sure...........that was my original idea (band discussions with top 10 songs etc...) - a much easier task-  but stupid me decided to do years first   ;D
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Post by: TAC on December 17, 2014, 09:11:28 AM
Years is cool. Just thought I'd throw those out there.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 17, 2014, 09:48:20 AM
Personally I thought Creatures was much stronger than Animalize but both are good.  My Saxon collection certainly isn't complete but they're pretty consistently good.  I wasn't a big fan of Sacrifice though - I bought it on the strength of the title track (which is immense) and thought the rest was pretty average.

As far as the years go (as I hinted at earlier) I'll probably stop somewhere around 93-95 if that doesn't upset too many people and we'll get back to bands/novelty top 10's.   As far as I'm concerned 1992 was about the end of the best years in hard rock and straight metal.  Prog metal sure took off but that's not the domain of this thread.
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Post by: TAC on December 17, 2014, 10:45:01 AM
I would also take Creatures over Animalize. In fact, I'd probably take Asylum over it too.

And Sacrifice is awesome.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 17, 2014, 02:19:28 PM
Saxon is really a band that just seems to get better with time.  Metalhead is a fantastic album.

The triple threat of Creatures, Lick it Up and Animalize is my favorite from Kiss.  The subsequent 80s albums are good, but can get a little cheesy and too much trying to fit in with the times.  But those three are just pure hard rock.
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Post by: TAC on December 17, 2014, 03:26:02 PM
The triple threat of Creatures, Lick it Up and Animalize is my favorite from Kiss.  The subsequent 80s albums are good, but can get a little cheesy and too much trying to fit in with the times.  But those three are just pure hard rock.
This post got me thinking. It's funny how Kiss "lost their way" and then came back with these hard rock albums reestablish themselves as a serious rock band. Then, as you say, they got to cheesy, and needed to make Revenge to re assert themselves. So they actually had two instances where they came and went artistically.

But they were still very successful in the 80's and every band were following the path blazed by Bon Jovi. Paul Stanley sure was.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 17, 2014, 10:37:17 PM
Revenge was an awesome release, I wish they would have stayed with that sound.  Carnival of Souls was terrible (except Jungle, which I thought was good) and Psycho Circus was only decent.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 17, 2014, 10:39:58 PM
Revenge was an awesome release, I wish they would have stayed with that sound.  Carnival of Souls was terrible (except Jungle, which I thought was good) and Psycho Circus was only decent.

Yep.......it's a shame they didn't take up where Revenge left off .  It seems it was a no win though - either alt. crap like Carnival of Souls or a fairly average reunion.  I suppose we got the better of the two at the time.

I remember when getting a hold of the CoS bootleg was a huge deal for a KISS fan.  What a letdown when you managed to though  :-\
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 17, 2014, 10:42:13 PM
money talks and Gene needs the cash
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2014, 10:46:04 PM
Revenge was an awesome release, I wish they would have stayed with that sound.  Carnival of Souls was terrible (except Jungle, which I thought was good) and Psycho Circus was only decent.

Yep.......it's a shame they didn't take up where Revenge left off .  It seems it was a no win though - either alt. crap like Carnival of Souls or a fairly average reunion.  I suppose we got the better of the two at the time.

I remember when getting a hold of the CoS bootleg was a huge deal for a KISS fan.  What a letdown when you managed to though  :-\

I blame the '90s! Revenge is my favourite KISS album, so I wish they could have continued down that path too (along with every other band that got rock-blocked by that whole thing), rather than CoS/Psycho Circus, even though Psycho Circus does have some good songs on it.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 17, 2014, 11:03:01 PM
I haven't done a mag cover for a while...............here we go (1992).

(https://s13.postimg.org/jk4eev7jr/revenge.jpg)
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Post by: gazinwales on December 18, 2014, 01:58:40 AM
That is prob my fave Kiss line up and I saw them live before they put the make up back on and got Peter and Ace back.
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Post by: bl5150 on December 18, 2014, 02:34:39 AM
That is prob my fave Kiss line up and I saw them live before they put the make up back on and got Peter and Ace back.

I saw the Revenge tour too.   The one strong memory I have is thinking that Eric Singer hit the drums as hard as anyone I'd ever seen.  And I don't normally take much notice of drummers  ;D
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Post by: Lowdz on December 18, 2014, 08:06:08 AM
New Russ Allen and Mat Sinner song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5pZfEOmBuDQ

Pretty dark.  I'm not sure if Roland had a hand in the songwriting, but I hear a lot of his influence here.  I think I like this.

Didn't like this at all. Vocals being the shittest bit. ANd that shouldn't be the case.
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Post by: TAC on December 18, 2014, 08:06:53 AM
That is prob my fave Kiss line up and I saw them live before they put the make up back on and got Peter and Ace back.

I saw the Revenge tour too.   The one strong memory I have is thinking that Eric Singer hit the drums as hard as anyone I'd ever seen.  And I don't normally take much notice of drummers  ;D
The Revenge tour was my favorite from Kiss. Great show!!
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Post by: bl5150 on December 21, 2014, 11:45:27 PM
Just got my Bob Daisley autobiog in the mail - had to buy from England even though Bob's an Aussie who lives locally.   :-\ Anyway............I can see now why it's a bit expensive.  It's a quite large/heavy hardback with high quality paper etc.......

He (or the publishers) also took the time to stick an autographed card inside the front cover for me.  Looks like a very comprehensive book with plenty of cool photos.
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Post by: gazinwales on December 22, 2014, 12:19:44 AM
It's a great read too, Bob did an in store a couple weeks back in Sydney, I got a signed copy, and he signed my Gary Moore Wild Frontier CD.
The book is very in depth and if you hated Ozzy/Sharon already you're gonna hate them to a whole new level after reading.
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Post by: TAC on December 22, 2014, 05:22:34 PM
I cannot believe this guy is still alive!
https://bravewords.com/features/original-ufo-bassist-pete-way-im-ready-to-go-out-and-be-dangerous
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Post by: bl5150 on December 23, 2014, 06:13:12 AM
I've tried to drop a few hints in the album thread that I haven't forgotten 1985 but as per usual the deeper I delve the more albums I find that need a listen.   The good news is that I've already done 50+ albums and my research is complete as far as finding the albums - the bad news is I still have another 30 or so to listen to/rate/eliminate.  Like many here my initial thoughts toward 1985 were "Meh!" but the longer I've spent on it the more I've surprised myself at the good stuff that was released that year.  A lot of it from more obscure names which is part of the issue.......a number got a mention in my top 50 but I'm not a wizz at remembering the years sometimes.

So it'll be between Xmas and New Years by the looks.

If I don't post in here again before the 25th .............

(https://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa168/necristoeliel/have_a_metal_christmas.jpg)

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Post by: jjrock88 on December 23, 2014, 08:04:56 AM
And a head banging New Year!!!

Merry Christmas!
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Post by: kingshmegland on December 23, 2014, 10:52:04 AM
I would also take Creatures over Animalize. In fact, I'd probably take Asylum over it too.

And Sacrifice is awesome.
I don't know how I missed this but you are out of your mind my friend. :lol  Creatures and Animalize destroy (pun intended) Asylum.
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Post by: TAC on December 26, 2014, 05:07:33 PM
Damn classy pic in the Rock Or Bust booklet:

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTA-q0fIc8f7Jn0lzt0i2ZaHJuTMI6dIBzXFQ_X55ieKA54lXDw)
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Post by: TAC on December 28, 2014, 03:40:41 PM
Woah!
https://bravewords.com/news/accept-part-ways-with-herman-frank-stefan-schwarzmann

Jorg Fisher and Stefan Kaufman maybe??
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Post by: wolfking on December 28, 2014, 07:04:56 PM
Didn't see that coming.  Not sure about Kaufman as I believe he retired from UDO with back issues or something along with other health issues.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 28, 2014, 07:35:29 PM
Hopefully it's not a big setback for the band
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Post by: wolfking on December 28, 2014, 08:18:07 PM
Hopefully it's not a big setback for the band

Nah, the main driving force behind the band is still there.  I think they will be all good.
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Post by: TAC on December 29, 2014, 03:21:55 AM
Didn't see that coming.  Not sure about Kaufman as I believe he retired from UDO with back issues or something along with other health issues.
Kaufman is a pipe dream for me. I loved his drumming. Plus he's been playing guitar for the last 20 years.
Jorg Michael?
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Post by: bl5150 on December 29, 2014, 06:18:36 AM

Jorg Michael?

Why not - mark one of the few remaining metal bands off his list?  ;D
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Post by: bl5150 on December 31, 2014, 08:25:53 AM
Only 5 or 6 discs to listen to before 1985 is complete - it's taken a while but the cost of being as comprehensive as I can is the extra time digging/listening.
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Post by: TAC on December 31, 2014, 08:35:50 AM
No problem man. Looking forward to you list. As I said, I made a Top 10, and while it contains some of my favorite albums of all time, this year was not very deep for me.

I will say that my favorite album from 1985 was easily Accept's Metal Heart.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 31, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
Metal Heart is an awesome album!

Living for Tonite is fantastic
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Post by: TAC on December 31, 2014, 01:27:00 PM
Metal Heart is an awesome album!

Living for Tonite is fantastic
I actually have Living For Tonight in the bottom half of the album. So many great songs.
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Post by: TAC on December 31, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
Some of you may find this somewhat surprising, but at the age of 46, after being a lifelong metal fan...I have bought my first Overkill album! ;D
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Post by: bosk1 on December 31, 2014, 02:07:19 PM
I still have none and no plans to get one.
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Post by: wolfking on December 31, 2014, 02:15:20 PM
Metal Heart is an awesome album!

Living for Tonite is fantastic

Living For Tonite is one of my favs too.


Some of you may find this somewhat surprising, but at the age of 46, after being a lifelong metal fan...I have bought my first Overkill album! ;D

I only know their later stuff, never really checked out the old stuff.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 31, 2014, 02:59:03 PM
I never got into Overkill
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Post by: bl5150 on December 31, 2014, 11:54:49 PM
I never got into Overkill

Me neither - they do have a few good songs though.  I checked out Feel The Fire for the 1985 list but it didn't make the cut (70%) for a proper rating.
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Post by: wolfking on January 01, 2015, 03:17:08 AM
Ironbound is a fantastic metal album.
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Post by: wolfking on January 01, 2015, 03:25:23 AM
Samples from new John Sykes album;

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/john-sykes-audio-samples-of-upcoming-solo-album/

Sounds like it could have potential.  Some samples there that really remind me of Lizzy.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 01, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
Yeah - sounds alright.  Bits of Lizzy and Blue Murder in there - if the solos are up to scratch it could be a good one.
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Post by: wolfking on January 01, 2015, 03:38:07 AM
That one little snippet of the shred in there sounded mighty good.  Interesting cover song in there too.  :lol
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Post by: Lowdz on January 01, 2015, 06:23:10 AM
Sounding pretty good. I'll be up for this.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 01, 2015, 07:07:43 AM
Sykes always sounds good
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
I could not detect any Thin Lizzy in those samples. The guitar sound was fantastic though, but I'm not in love with his vocals and the songs seem like a hodgepodge generic medium to hard rock.
Same issues I had with Blue Murder.
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 09:02:34 AM
Ironbound is a fantastic metal album.

Hell yeah! :metal

For whatever reason I just never got into them. My college roommate had one of their tapes back in the day. I remember one song the guy was singing about masterbating. Not into that..
As much as I love heavy metal, I have always found straight thrash somewhat boring, so I never got into bands like Overkill and even Testament back then. Actually saw Overkill open for Slayer on the Seasons tour.

Saw Bravewords list White Devil Armory as their #10 metal album for 2014. Decided to click the link to the song posted and thought it was really cool. Sampled a few other things and I bought their most recent three albums. Really enjoying them. A lot.
But they are like AC/DC in a sense that they do what they do. No surprises here. Just good consistency.
I may end up working my way back through their catalog over time.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 01, 2015, 05:36:03 PM
So guys .........here we go.  A new year and so to celebrate I'll give you a new year.  We might as well keep this number thing going so expect 1986 in 2016  ;D

1985 turned out to be a much better year than I expected coming in.  I dug very deep for this one and there were plenty of albums in there that I'd either forgotten or never heard. All up I once again listened to over 100 albums for this exercise.   In the end I think 1985 is as strong as some of the earlier years , it's just that many of the strong albums were by rather obscure artists.  A number of our favourite bands produced their weakest album in 1985 and a few went a bit softer (some did that well  , others not so much) and barely scraped in as "hard rock".

In terms of events we had confirmation that DLR had parted ways with Van Halen and the release of his solo EP Crazy From The Heat.   There were reunions of Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin for Live Aid.  Not a great deal else happened that strikes me.

No problem man. Looking forward to you list. As I said, I made a Top 10, and while it contains some of my favorite albums of all time, this year was not very deep for me.

I will say that my favorite album from 1985 was easily Accept's Metal Heart.

At the risk of incurring TAC's wrath I'll note that Metal Heart didn't make my cut.  Nobody can say I have anything against Accept as they have already featured prominently in these lists.  Metal Heart actually contains 2 of my favourite Accept tunes (the title track and Living For Tonite) but the mid section of the album - say tracks 4,6,7,8 - I rate as filler.  Decent filler but filler all the same, and when the songs are anything other than top notch I begin to suffer Udo fatigue. And that makes it very hard, given the way I'm ranking albums , for Metal Heart to make the cut.
 

So...................

TOP 10 ALBUMS OF 1985

1 Dokken : Under Lock and Key(TIE)
1.Icon : Night Of The Crime
3 Yngwie Malmsteen: Marching Out
4 Streets: Crimes In Mind
5 Heaven: Knocking On Heavens Door
6 Jimmy Barnes : For The Working Class Man
7 Anthrax: Spreading The Disease
8 King Kobra: Ready To Strike
9 Vandenberg: Alibi
10 Bon Jovi 7800 Fahrenheit


Missed By A Bee's Dick

Kix : Midnight Dynamite
Saxon: Innocence Is No Excuse

Made The Squad But Not The Team:


Loudness :Thunder In The East
UFO :Misdemeanor
Helloise:Cosmogony
David Lee Roth:Crazy From The Heat
Lizzy Borden:Love You To Pieces
Gary Moore:Run For Cover
Tytan:Rough Justice
Shy :Brave The Storm
Joshua :Surrender
Phenomena :Phenomena
Horizon: Master of the Game
AC/DC :Fly On The Wall
Virgin Steele: Noble Savage
Hawaii: The Natives Are Restless
Coney Hatch: Friction
Ratt: Invasion of Your Privacy
Mad Max: Stormchild
Tyran Pace   :Long Live Metal
Heavy Pettin': Rock Ain't Dead
Dio : Sacred Heart
Lee Aaron: Call of the Wild
Treat   : Scratch and Bite
Mox Nix : Mox Nix
Malice :In The Beginning
Pantera :I Am The Night
Hurricane:Take What You Want
Sinner:Touch Of Sin
Tangier:Tangier


For those wondering where Magnum's On A Storyteller's Night is , I rated it too pissweak to be called "hard rock".  If I had included it , it would've been a few spots out of the top ten based on ratings.   A few other albums I rated for this were similar but I included the bands because plenty of their other material is considered hard rock and I didn't want crossover if we ever do something like this in the AOR thread.   UFO's Misdemeanor would be an example.

Fire away.....................


As before , I'll take a break and listen to some newer stuff for a few days and start on 1986 next week some time.  That could easily be a 10 way tie for number one :D


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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 05:44:50 PM
Wow..no Metal Heart?? Living For Tonight IS filler on that album!

Here's my list:
1. Accept-Metal Heart
2. Waysted-The Good The Bad The Waysted
3. UFO-Misdemeanor
4. Yngwie Malmsteen-Marching Out
5. Iron Maiden-Live After Death
6. Dio-Sacred Heart
7. Kiss-Asylum
8. Gary Moore-Run For Cover
9. Aerosmith-Done With Mirrors
10. Anthrax-Spreading The Disease

The UFO and Waysted were BY FAR my most played albums during 1985. Personal favorites, if you will. I got the UK version of Misdemeanor on Import as soon as it came out. It would be another year before the watered down keyboard heavy US version was released.

I would never rate Heaven that high though. Nice to see the mention of Phenomena. Great lineup. Still have that on vinyl.

Malice is a cool band. Loved License To Kill, which would come out a couple years later. Heavy Pettin's Rock Ain't Dead absolutely sucked. So disappointing after Lettin' Loose. WTF happened to Hamie's voice? Helium?
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 01, 2015, 06:09:56 PM
Interesting picks from this year.

The mentioned releases from Yngwie, Dokken and Anthrax are my personal favorites from those bands.

Never heard of Streets.  You recommended Night of the Crime from Icon earlier this year and I really enjoy it.  Not as good as the debut, but much better then I originally remembered it.

Missing from the list for me would be Accept- Metal Heart, Armored Saint- Delirious Nomad,  Maiden- Live after Death, Y&T- Open Fire/Down for the Count, WASP- Last Command, Stryper- Soldiers Under Command, Savatage- Power of the Night and of course, Rush- Power Windows.

Nice to see Coney Hatch and Lizzy Borden make the HM.

Those first three releases from Pantera are strange to listen to considering the sound they took in the 90s.
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 06:14:09 PM
Missing from the list for me would be Accept- Metal Heart, Armored Saint- Delirious Nomad,  Maiden- Live after Death, Y&T- Open Fire/Down for the Count, WASP- Last Command, Stryper- Soldiers Under Command,
Some good albums listed here.
Armored Saint!! :metal That should also be on my list somewhere, but honestly, my list is based on what I listened to that year. It would be two more years until I was fully vested in Armored Saint, and I basically ignored Delirious Nomad when it was released.

Open Fire was cool, as is The Last Command.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 01, 2015, 06:17:38 PM
There are actually a few bands I'm not familiar with on the list:   Mox Nix, Treat, Mad Max, Tangier, Helloise, Horizon
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 06:26:49 PM
There are actually a few bands I'm not familiar with on the list:   Mox Nix, Treat, Mad Max, Tangier, Helloise, Horizon
No kidding!

Mox Nix? WTF? :lol

Wasn't Streets Steve Walsh?
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Post by: bl5150 on January 01, 2015, 06:35:37 PM

 my list is based on what I listened to that year.



We're not to that point yet with me - 1986 is where I began to branch out beyond KISS and Van Halen (aged 12).  I will continue to rate things as I hear them now but in tight ones I'll now begin to give a bit more weight as to what was important to me back in the day

There are actually a few bands I'm not familiar with on the list:   Mox Nix, Treat, Mad Max, Tangier, Helloise, Horizon
No kidding!

Mox Nix? WTF? :lol

Wasn't Streets Steve Walsh?

Have you heard Mox Nix?? I told you I dug deep :)

Streets was Steve Walsh and Mike Slamer (Seventh Key, City Boy....)

Interesting picks from this year.

The mentioned releases from Yngwie, Dokken and Anthrax are my personal favorites from those bands.

Never heard of Streets.  You recommended Night of the Crime from Icon earlier this year and I really enjoy it.  Not as good as the debut, but much better then I originally remembered it.

Missing from the list for me would be Accept- Metal Heart, Armored Saint- Delirious Nomad,  Maiden- Live after Death, Y&T- Open Fire/Down for the Count, WASP- Last Command, Stryper- Soldiers Under Command, Savatage- Power of the Night and of course, Rush- Power Windows.

Nice to see Coney Hatch and Lizzy Borden make the HM.

Those first three releases from Pantera are strange to listen to considering the sound they took in the 90s.

Armored Saint, WASP, Savatage and , to a lesser extent , Y&T and Stryper are all big faves of mine but their 1985 albums I rate either their weakest or close to.  Having said that I rated them all mid-high 70's (Metal Heart too) which , to be fair , would've made my HM's if I hadn't toughened up the required score (80%) in 1984.

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Post by: kingshmegland on January 01, 2015, 06:36:11 PM
An album that wasn't metal but I loved was Joe Walsh's -- The Confessor.
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 06:40:47 PM
Never heard of Mox Nix.

We're not to that point yet with me - 1986 is where I began to branch out beyond KISS and Van Halen (aged 12).  I will continue to rate things as I hear them now but in tight ones I'll now begin to give a bit more weight as to what was important to me back in the day
Totally cool. It's great to me to hear the effect music had on people and their lives at the time. Looking forward to your "first hand knowledge" lists.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 01, 2015, 06:41:46 PM
Trying to do some research on Mox Nix- it's limited. Did they just release this one album?
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 01, 2015, 06:42:16 PM
Tim, we should start a 45's thread and embarrass ourselves. :lol

God the crap I bought as a kid.
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 06:43:01 PM
Tim, we should start a 45's thread and embarrass ourselves. :lol

God the crap I bought as a kid.
What's wrong with Gary Numan?? :lol
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 01, 2015, 06:50:11 PM
New York, London Paris Munich, everybody talk about .........
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
New York, London Paris Munich, everybody talk about .........

JJ cover your eyes! :lol

King, isn't that M? Pop Music?
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 01, 2015, 06:54:36 PM
Yup. :lol
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Post by: bl5150 on January 01, 2015, 06:57:16 PM
Never heard of Mox Nix.

We're not to that point yet with me - 1986 is where I began to branch out beyond KISS and Van Halen (aged 12).  I will continue to rate things as I hear them now but in tight ones I'll now begin to give a bit more weight as to what was important to me back in the day
Totally cool. It's great to me to hear the effect music had on people and their lives at the time. Looking forward to your "first hand knowledge" lists.

Much of what I'm ranking now has "first hand knowledge" I suppose............for example I was listening to Malmsteen and Dokken by 1987 , so it's just that I wasn't listening to them in their year of release at this point.

Trying to do some research on Mox Nix- it's limited. Did they just release this one album?

Only the one album yeah.  Heavily influenced by the better bands of the time (Riot, Priest, Y&T,) - from Houston but couldn't get a deal and so they sent tapes to Europe (Kerrang etc...)and managed a deal with Axe Killer.

IMHO it's a damn side better than many released by established acts in 1985.

Try a sample

Kill Or Be Killed  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3U3G-hPDNM
Lost Sierra  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjmNO4ykcE4
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 01, 2015, 06:58:22 PM


The one band that started their setback this year was Twisted Sister. That's a band I always think what if? If they didn't change things up after Stay Hungry and stayed with the heavy sound releasing a new album every few years, what a discography of kick ass music they would have.

I still love them, but always thought they were capable of much more
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Post by: bl5150 on January 01, 2015, 07:01:04 PM


The one band that started their setback this year was Twisted Sister. That's a band I always think what if? If they didn't change things up after Stay Hungry and stayed with the heavy sound releasing a new album every few years, what a discography of kick ass music they would have.

I still love them, but always thought they were capable of much more

Dee was too busy in court with the PMRC in 1985  ;D   They were of course one of the bands I alluded to who released a poor one.
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 07:02:49 PM
Trying to do some research on Mox Nix- it's limited. Did they just release this one album?

Only the one album yeah.  Heavily influenced by the better bands of the time (Riot, Priest, Y&T,) - from Houston but couldn't get a deal and so they sent tapes to Europe (Kerrang etc...)and managed a deal with Axe Killer.

IMHO it's a damn side better than many released by established acts in 1985.

Try a sample

Kill Or Be Killed  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3U3G-hPDNM
Lost Sierra  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjmNO4ykcE4

I would've loved that back then. Nice!

But seriously, who the hell would've signed a band called Mox Nix?  :lol

The one band that started their setback this year was Twisted Sister. That's a band I always think what if? If they didn't change things up after Stay Hungry and stayed with the heavy sound releasing a new album every few years, what a discography of kick ass music they would have.

I still love them, but always thought they were capable of much more
I agree 100%. Their first 3 albums are fantastic, especially You Can't Stop Rock n Roll.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 01, 2015, 07:08:46 PM
Mox Nix sounds good- pure metal. They remind me a bit of early Virgin Steele
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 07:11:32 PM
Mox Nix sounds good- pure metal. They remind me a bit of early Virgin Steele

Yeah, good call.

I thought that they sounded like demos to Spreading The Disease.

And Brent mentioned Riot. Obviously Mox Nix had an East Coast flavor.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 01, 2015, 07:15:28 PM
You Can't Stop Rock n Roll is my favorite from TS.

The whole album is great but the opening three songs are ass kickers; especially Like a Knife in the Back
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Post by: TAC on January 01, 2015, 07:18:49 PM
You Can't Stop Rock n Roll is my favorite from TS.

The whole album is great but the opening three songs are ass kickers; especially Like a Knife in the Back

The Kids Are Back :metal
That was a metal anthem to me in early high school.
Dee sounded awesome on YCSRNR. A great vocalist. Ended up being a clown, which was too bad. He had an awesome metal voice.
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Post by: Lowdz on January 03, 2015, 10:33:41 AM
You Can't Stop Rock n Roll is my favorite from TS.

The whole album is great but the opening three songs are ass kickers; especially Like a Knife in the Back

The Kids Are Back :metal
That was a metal anthem to me in early high school.
Dee sounded awesome on YCSRNR. A great vocalist. Ended up being a clown, which was too bad. He had an awesome metal voice.

I wasn't much of a TS fan but Dee sounded great on the first Widowmaker album, and Desperado.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 03, 2015, 03:00:51 PM
I always meant to check out Widowmaker.
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Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2015, 03:19:31 AM
I never got into Twisted Sister, although, I don't think I've heard anything outside their hits.

Didn't Reb Beach play on an album of theirs?
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Post by: bl5150 on January 04, 2015, 05:28:16 AM
I never got into Twisted Sister, although, I don't think I've heard anything outside their hits.

Didn't Reb Beach play on an album of theirs?

Yeah - Love Is For Suckers.   I always had a soft spot for the title track (and maybe one other that I can't remember) but the rest is pretty average.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 04, 2015, 06:44:38 AM
I never got into Twisted Sister, although, I don't think I've heard anything outside their hits.

Didn't Reb Beach play on an album of theirs?

Under the Blade and You Can't Stop Rock n Roll are metal classics.  Stay Hungry is awesome too, but started to get a little commercial.  Come Out and Play and Love is for Suckers is pure pop metal.  Still decent though.

Their live album, Live at Hammersmith, should be mentioned with other live classic albums.
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Post by: TAC on January 04, 2015, 03:32:31 PM
I never got into Twisted Sister, although, I don't think I've heard anything outside their hits.

Didn't Reb Beach play on an album of theirs?

Under the Blade and You Can't Stop Rock n Roll are metal classics.  Stay Hungry is awesome too, but started to get a little commercial.  Come Out and Play and Love is for Suckers is pure pop metal.  Still decent though.

Their live album, Live at Hammersmith, should be mentioned with other live classic albums.

True, Live At Hammersmith is amazing.





Today is the anniversary of Phil Lynott's death 29 years ago. RIP Rocker.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 04, 2015, 05:19:41 PM
damn drugs!
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Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2015, 03:53:43 AM
I never got into Twisted Sister, although, I don't think I've heard anything outside their hits.

Didn't Reb Beach play on an album of theirs?

Under the Blade and You Can't Stop Rock n Roll are metal classics.  Stay Hungry is awesome too, but started to get a little commercial.  Come Out and Play and Love is for Suckers is pure pop metal.  Still decent though.

Their live album, Live at Hammersmith, should be mentioned with other live classic albums.

Might have to have a listen to some of these.
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2015, 01:17:39 PM
DO IT!
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Post by: bosk1 on January 05, 2015, 02:09:56 PM
...Y&T and Stryper are all big faves of mine but their 1985 albums I rate either their weakest or close to.

Agreed.  BUT in Y&T's defense, I completely understand why that album is the way it is.  Did they completely "sell out" and abandon musical integrity for the sake of trying to get a more commercially acceptable sound?  Yeah, they did.  But they are also a band that had at that point tried to "do it their own way" for over a decade and 6 albums while getting shafted by the music industry the entire way, whether it be Herbie Herbert booking them to second-rate gigs in the early days so he could devote more time and energy to his other pet project (some obscure band called Journey, featuring some Santana reject on guitar, apparently), to London records going under and retaining all the rights to the band's first two albums, to A&M never generating any promotion whatsoever for Earthshaker, Black Tiger, Mean Streak, or In Rock We Trust. 

By the time 1985 came around, they were a band that was always just one small step and one missed opportunity away from being huge at every turn, and they were tired of it and desperate to try anything to try to break through.  That must have been especially painful when you consider all the bands that were previous openers for Y&T that had gone on to hit it big (Van Halen, Ratt, Motley Crue, Dokken, and on and on). 

By 1985, the label basically told the band they were on their own and had revoked any support whatsoever.  The band were desperate to get anybody's ear, so when they were mixing their new soon-to-be-released live album, Open Fire, they parked the mixing van in the label's parking lot and let whatever they were working on blare through the speakers.  At those shows where the live tracks for that album were recorded, they had debuted a new tune that was still rough around the edges called "Summertime Girls."  One of the label execs heard it blaring from the van in the parking lot and said it sounded awesome, demanded that they immediately cut a studio version to go on the live album as the next single, and demanded that the next album sound like that.  And, viola!  That's how we got Down For The Count.
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
You can't really fault Y&T. They weren't the only band to start following the trend.  Contageous was just as bad.

Stryper circa 1985 was still a novelty. Christian hard rock. Interesting. And they could play too. I had the EP, but never followed it up. Seemed a bit lite for me at the time. Even listening back now to those albums, I still feel like it's missing something.

Murder By Pride and No More Hell To Pay are both great. They have really come on strong here recently.
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Post by: Lowdz on January 05, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
You can't really fault Y&T. They weren't the only band to start following the trend.  Contageous was just as bad.

Stryper circa 1985 was still a novelty. Christian hard rock. Interesting. And they could play too. I had the EP, but never followed it up. Seemed a bit lite for me at the time. Even listening back now to those albums, I still feel like it's missing something.

Murder By Pride and No More Hell To Pay are both great. They have really come on strong here recently.

Contagious was worse - it didn't have much in the way of decent songs. And that Hot For Teacher rip off - yuk. I don't mind DFTC at all though its not their best by any means. Ten is a great album though.

I've always liked Stryper and really don't care what their singing about. The songs are good and that's all that matters.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 05, 2015, 03:24:22 PM
Contagious was worse - it didn't have much in the way of decent songs. And that Hot For Teacher rip off - yuk.

Huh, interesting.  I always felt that Contagious was a definite step up and then some.  5 really strong songs (the title track, Temptation,1 Fight For Your Life, Rhythm Or Not, and Eyes of a Stranger), 3 pretty good ones (Armed and Dangerous, Bodily Harm, I'll Cry), and 2 okay ones. 

And I never heard The Kid Goes Crazy described as a "Hot For Teacher rip off."  But then again, the fact that I was able to tell exactly what song you were talking about just based on that description would tend to mean that, yeah, I guess I can hear that now that you mention it.  :lol  (But I will say that Jimmy's drum groove is a lot more complex than Alex VH's)


1. And I only just now realized that Al Pitrelli co-wrote Temptation.  Interesting.  Back then, I had no idea who he was, and I haven't looked at the songwriting credits on that album in a LONG time.
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Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
I didn't mind Contagious at all really.
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2015, 03:32:53 PM
It's probably been over 20 years since I have listened to Contagious.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 05, 2015, 03:34:54 PM
It's probably been over 20 years since I have listened to Contagious.

It's probably been over 20 seconds since I last thought of not smacking you upside the head.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 05, 2015, 03:43:42 PM
I didn't mind Contagious at all really.

Me neither -  I'd pretty much agree with bosk1's assessment of the songs , although I'd have Armed and Dangerous in with the strong ones and Rhythm or Not in the okay.
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2015, 03:46:16 PM
It's probably been over 20 years since I have listened to Contagious.

It's probably been over 20 seconds since I last thought of not smacking you upside the head.

Quote

3. Respect your fellow posters.

Personal attacks, or repeated artless attempts at flaming and/or flamebaiting will not be tolerated. Violators will get a maximum of three warnings before serious measures are taken into consideration (temp and perm bans, mainly).

Strike 1! ;D
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Post by: bosk1 on January 05, 2015, 03:53:04 PM
Whatever.  Listen to this guy:
I didn't mind Contagious at all really.
He's not wolfking around.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 05, 2015, 04:30:08 PM
I find it very surprising that Y&T weren't a bigger band.  Earthshaker, Mean Streak and Black Tiger is just a trilogy of awesome. To me, their sound almost defines the 80s decade. Their sound just screams 80s. With that being said, how they weren't better known in the 80s and are pretty much unknown today is one of rocks mysteries to me.

And I think Stryper sounds better then ever right now. They need to continue with the NMHTP sound.
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2015, 04:46:04 PM
^
Agreed 100% on both points.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 05, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
You have both curried favor with bosk1 the mighty.  Thusly, he shall not smite you down at the present time.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 05, 2015, 05:01:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QVdGng5.jpg)
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Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2015, 05:04:45 PM
Whatever.  Listen to this guy:
I didn't mind Contagious at all really.
He's not wolfking around.

Nice.
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Post by: TAC on January 05, 2015, 05:45:01 PM
Whatever.  Listen to this guy:
I didn't mind Contagious at all really.
He's not wolfking around.

Nice.
Umm..whatever.. ;D
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Post by: Lowdz on January 09, 2015, 03:57:59 PM
Contagious was worse - it didn't have much in the way of decent songs. And that Hot For Teacher rip off - yuk.

Huh, interesting.  I always felt that Contagious was a definite step up and then some.  5 really strong songs (the title track, Temptation,1 Fight For Your Life, Rhythm Or Not, and Eyes of a Stranger), 3 pretty good ones (Armed and Dangerous, Bodily Harm, I'll Cry), and 2 okay ones. 

And I never heard The Kid Goes Crazy described as a "Hot For Teacher rip off."  But then again, the fact that I was able to tell exactly what song you were talking about just based on that description would tend to mean that, yeah, I guess I can hear that now that you mention it.  :lol  (But I will say that Jimmy's drum groove is a lot more complex than Alex VH's)


1. And I only just now realized that Al Pitrelli co-wrote Temptation.  Interesting.  Back then, I had no idea who he was, and I haven't looked at the songwriting credits on that album in a LONG time.

I would put Armed & Dangerous, I'll Cry For You and Fight For Your Life in the good tier, Temptation and Contagious in the ok, and Rhythm or Not and Bodily Harm in the "pile of shite" category  ;D
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Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2015, 03:56:58 AM
Damn!!!  New Serious Black

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcuoyGMrRuk

Grapow has been on fire lately, really looking forward to this one.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 11, 2015, 03:58:13 AM
Damn!!!  New Serious Black

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcuoyGMrRuk

Grapow has been on fire lately, really looking forward to this one.

Me too...........and urban says this is the taster to a much better second album .
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Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2015, 04:17:57 AM
Sounding good man.

The chrous heavily reminds me of something else though, I can't get it though, the key change specifically.
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Post by: TAC on January 11, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
Has the clip been pulled?

Definitely looking forward to the Serious Black album.
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Post by: Lowdz on January 11, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Has the clip been pulled?

Definitely looking forward to the Serious Black album.

It's working for me.

Decent song if a bit by the numbers. Looking forward to it.
Enjoyed the Project Arkadia album from a few weeks ago. Urban was awesome on that.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 11, 2015, 02:27:11 PM
Seriously good!
Pretty good commercial rocker, some nice double bass drums and good riffs.
The singer I have never heard before and he seems to be a little underwhelming in comparison to the majestic sounds of the music.
Reminds me of Masterplan's second album, just a bit but this is a blind buy for me.
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Post by: TAC on January 11, 2015, 03:46:21 PM
Has the clip been pulled?

Definitely looking forward to the Serious Black album.

It's working for me.

Decent song if a bit by the numbers. Looking forward to it.
Enjoyed the Project Arkadia album from a few weeks ago. Urban was awesome on that.
You recommended the PA album for me, and while I loved the vocals, the music was missing something. I guess I found it kind of generic. Serious Black sounds much better to me.
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Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2015, 06:37:49 PM
Seriously good!
Pretty good commercial rocker, some nice double bass drums and good riffs.
The singer I have never heard before and he seems to be a little underwhelming in comparison to the majestic sounds of the music.
Reminds me of Masterplan's second album, just a bit but this is a blind buy for me.

I get a definite early Masterplan vibe from it too.

One of the comments revealed to me the song I was thinking of that the chorus reminded me of.  It's Edguy's Ministry of Saints.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 12, 2015, 04:32:15 AM
I haven't done a mag cover in a while. Seeing as wolfie and I have been talking a bit of W.A.S.P. lately..............this is June 85/

(https://s12.postimg.org/cqerrd6l9/wasp.jpg)
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Post by: wolfking on January 12, 2015, 04:34:38 AM
And Powerslave Maiden, good stuff.

WASP's original lineup was so damn good.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 12, 2015, 08:17:55 AM
It was an awesome lineup!!

Did Chris leave because of drugs or due to the new direction of the band?
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Post by: TAC on January 12, 2015, 11:59:22 AM
Who the hell is Belfegore?? I do not remember them at all.
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Post by: TAC on January 12, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
The music world is "whole" again.

Autograph has been um.."reavtivated".  :facepalm:
https://bravewords.com/news/reactivated-autograph-to-release-first-new-song-in-over-25-years-teaser-video-streaming
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Post by: wolfking on January 12, 2015, 03:00:40 PM
It was an awesome lineup!!

Did Chris leave because of drugs or due to the new direction of the band?

I have no idea actually.  Didn't Blackie and Chris have a falling out or something?
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 12, 2015, 07:55:43 PM
The music world is "whole" again.

Autograph has been um.."reavtivated".  :facepalm:
https://bravewords.com/news/reactivated-autograph-to-release-first-new-song-in-over-25-years-teaser-video-streaming

Decent band, but nothing that I would ever go out of my way to listen to though(unless watching Hot Tub Time Machine).  No Steve Plunkett??
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 12, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
The music world is "whole" again.

Autograph has been um.."reavtivated".  :facepalm:
https://bravewords.com/news/reactivated-autograph-to-release-first-new-song-in-over-25-years-teaser-video-streaming

Never got into them aside from Turn Up the Radio. I didn't mind this song, it's in a style I'm interested in, so I'd give the album a listen. The production was a bit raw but not bad, and I liked the song, although the chorus phrasing brought it down a bit for me.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 13, 2015, 05:18:43 AM
Who the hell is Belfegore?? I do not remember them at all.

When I Googled them a video came up for a single - one for the regular version and one for an Extended Club Mix.  Sounds right up your alley - I suggest you get onto it pronto  ;D
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Post by: TAC on January 14, 2015, 08:54:48 AM
Just did my 1986 list. Only slightly deeper than 1985.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 14, 2015, 10:54:03 AM
Just did my 1986 list. Only slightly deeper than 1985.

Are you sexing us up Tim?
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Post by: TAC on January 14, 2015, 10:59:01 AM
Just did my 1986 list. Only slightly deeper than 1985.

Are you sexing us up Tim?

Growth spurt!
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 14, 2015, 11:01:43 AM
And Graduation!

I'll have to look at 86 again.  Great year for music for sure.
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Post by: TAC on January 14, 2015, 11:11:34 AM
And Graduation!
YES!!  :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on January 14, 2015, 12:07:08 PM
Just did my 1986 list. Only slightly deeper than 1985.

Off the top of my head, 1986 was a pretty strong year. 
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Post by: bl5150 on January 15, 2015, 03:52:02 AM
1986 was extremely strong IMO.  It was the year where I seriously started buying music though , so I'm possibly a bit biased.

With the recent discussion around Jorn and his new project I remembered some old stuff of his that I stumbled onto many years ago and thought that , before I forget, I had better get these linked for posterity  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iklrkshmm5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSatE5q77pc
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Post by: wolfking on January 15, 2015, 05:10:45 AM
That first link is absolutely incredible.

Jorn reminds me a bit of John Farnham with that short hair too.
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Post by: TAC on January 15, 2015, 05:24:48 AM
All I can say is WOW on both links. WTF?? :lol
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 15, 2015, 05:46:25 AM
Awesome!
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Post by: TAC on January 15, 2015, 07:21:00 AM
What's tough about making these lists for the 80's is that while Brent has this great ratings system, I feel like I need to weight albums more that I was actually listening to in a given year.
Case in point is that in 1986, WASP's Inside The Electric Circus squeezes into the Top 10 because I loved this album back then. But Slayer's Reign In Blood is relegated to Honorable Mention status because in 1986, I didn't listen to it.
But since then, Reign In Blood has been far more played than Electric Circus.
Dilemma!!
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Post by: bl5150 on January 15, 2015, 07:29:04 AM
Everyone will have their own take on it but I'm basically trying to judge what were the best albums in hindsight.........what I like now , which means albums that were great back in the day but have aged terribly for me won't do so well.  Fortunately (although others may disagree) there aren't too many that I liked back in the day that seem to have aged too badly.

1986 is going to be a bit of a dilemma though.   Up to this point I don't think any of the years' Top 10's have had every album rated 90%+ and this will be the case in 1986 will numerous rating ties.   So in this case I will think back and use "most influential" factors as a bit of a tie breaker. 

Everyone will use their own criteria and that's cool.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 15, 2015, 11:15:32 AM
For those that were listening at the time, how controversial was "Turbo" in 1986? Or did it just get brushed off as a sign of the times without much issue?
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Post by: wolfking on January 15, 2015, 02:23:14 PM
Good question.
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Post by: Lowdz on January 15, 2015, 03:17:08 PM
For those that were listening at the time, how controversial was "Turbo" in 1986? Or did it just get brushed off as a sign of the times without much issue?

In the UK it was seen as a bit of a sellout. It was certainly aimed at the US market. Even at the time I preferred it to Ram It Down. THere are some great tracks on boththose albums and they would have made one awesome JP album instead of 2 ok ones.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 15, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
Turbo was highly controversial at the time.
Some were called it a sell out, a strong minority called it innovation.

I haven't heard it in a long time now, so I don't know how it has survived and whether it sounds dated?
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Post by: wolfking on January 15, 2015, 05:16:44 PM
It's still a really great album IMO.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 15, 2015, 07:17:40 PM
It was the first Priest cd I bought if I recall correctly.

I remember reading a review from someone, who said that upon buying the record as a new release, he started crying lol.  Seemed extreme, I think its a good disc.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 15, 2015, 07:25:16 PM
I think I might have cried when I heard Van Halen 3  ;D   Great tour though.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 15, 2015, 08:01:46 PM
Never bought VH3, but saw them live in Sydney on that tour.
The concert was shown live on MTV and there is a great bootleg on YT.

I like Gary Charone, his voice suited VH, but I went with a mate and he walked out after 3 songs.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 15, 2015, 10:12:20 PM
I won't bother posting in the "favourite albums for each year since you were born" thread as it'll just spoil what I'm doing here.  But for the record........prior to 1980 .........no real surprises.

1974: KISS:s/t
1975: KISS: Alive!
1976: KISS: Destroyer
1977: KISS: Love Gun   
1978: Van Halen : Van Halen   
1979: Van Halen :II

KISS dominated my early listening and was the only band I listened to from the age of 6 until 9 (1980-1983).  Van Halen came along and took the reins in '84
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 15, 2015, 10:13:54 PM
Not a lot of diversity there, but I approve (even though Destroyer is mostly shit). :biggrin:
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Post by: bl5150 on January 15, 2015, 10:17:59 PM
Not a lot of diversity there, but I approve (even though Destroyer is mostly shit). :biggrin:

I agree about Destroyer actually..........if not for Detroit Rock City , Shout It Out Loud and God Of Thunder I wouldn't bother.   I've done this list off the top of my head and more up TAC's alley in terms of albums that influenced me back in the day. I haven't listened to every possible candidate "in the now" as I am for the 1980's+
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 15, 2015, 10:23:42 PM
Not a lot of diversity there, but I approve (even though Destroyer is mostly shit). :biggrin:

I agree about Destroyer actually..........if not for Detroit Rock City , Shout It Out Loud and God Of Thunder I wouldn't bother.

Agreed on those. Those tracks are great, but the rest often deviated too far from the straight ahead rock they're best at.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 15, 2015, 11:06:00 PM
Van Halen 1 & 2 are just classic albums.

Van Halen 3..............yikes
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Post by: bl5150 on January 16, 2015, 06:10:05 AM
Grapow's already been ruled out of the debut Serious Black tour due to health issues (tinnitus) , as has their drummer Thomen with back issues.  Off to a great start  :-\     Bob Katsionis will be Grapow's replacement for the tour.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 16, 2015, 06:15:51 AM
Not a lot of diversity there, but I approve (even though Destroyer is mostly shit). :biggrin:

Does kingshmegland have to smack a bitch?
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Post by: bosk1 on January 16, 2015, 07:03:08 AM
Not a lot of diversity there, but I approve (even though Destroyer is mostly shit). :biggrin:

Does kingshmegland have to smack a bitch?

Only if it's me!  :caffeine:









Wait... 
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 16, 2015, 07:14:43 AM
*Rub's hands in an evil manor*


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Post by: TAC on January 16, 2015, 02:17:36 PM
1974: KISS
1975: KISS
1976: KISS
1977: KISS
1978: Van Halen 
1979: Van Halen
And you made fun of me?? :lol


Regarding Destroyer, I have never liked God Of Thunder. Don't care for it at all. And Great Expectations..WTF? Thanks Ezrin. :yeahright
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Post by: bl5150 on January 16, 2015, 07:11:36 PM
1974: KISS
1975: KISS
1976: KISS
1977: KISS
1978: Van Halen 
1979: Van Halen
And you made fun of me?? :lol


Regarding Destroyer, I have never liked God Of Thunder. Don't care for it at all. And Great Expectations..WTF? Thanks Ezrin. :yeahright

I HATED God of Thunder as a kid but have grown to like it - it took a while.  I think I realised that anything half decent by Gene should be cherished. :D

As for my choices , I thought you might bring that up. ;D  I really only knew those two bands at the time , so it's in that spirit -  and come to think of it there were barely a dozen or so half decent hard rock/metal albums released in most of those years , so not much to choose from.   Van Halen and KISS didn't have much competition :P
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Post by: Lowdz on January 17, 2015, 03:38:56 PM
1974: KISS
1975: KISS
1976: KISS
1977: KISS
1978: Van Halen 
1979: Van Halen
And you made fun of me?? :lol


Regarding Destroyer, I have never liked God Of Thunder. Don't care for it at all. And Great Expectations..WTF? Thanks Ezrin. :yeahright

I HATED God of Thunder as a kid but have grown to like it - it took a while. I think I realised that anything half decent by Gene should be cherished. :D

As for my choices , I thought you might bring that up. ;D  I really only knew those two bands at the time , so it's in that spirit -  and come to think of it there were barely a dozen or so half decent hard rock/metal albums released in most of those years , so not much to choose from.   Van Halen and KISS didn't have much competition :P

Although it was written by Paul  :o
I like the song but I prefer the faster live version from Alive II. The faster pace suits it better for me.
I like Destroyer. It was different of course but still a good album. It's not top tier or anything.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 17, 2015, 05:34:55 PM
1974: KISS
1975: KISS
1976: KISS
1977: KISS
1978: Van Halen 
1979: Van Halen
And you made fun of me?? :lol


Regarding Destroyer, I have never liked God Of Thunder. Don't care for it at all. And Great Expectations..WTF? Thanks Ezrin. :yeahright

I HATED God of Thunder as a kid but have grown to like it - it took a while.  I think I realised that anything half decent by Gene should be cherished. :D

As for my choices , I thought you might bring that up. ;D  I really only knew those two bands at the time , so it's in that spirit -  and come to think of it there were barely a dozen or so half decent hard rock/metal albums released in most of those years , so not much to choose from.   Van Halen and KISS didn't have much competition :P

I will pretty much always pick Paul songs over Gene; but I will say that Gene sang three of my all time favorite Kiss tunes- "God of Thunder", "War Machine" and "Not for the Innocent"
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Post by: TAC on January 17, 2015, 06:52:49 PM
My favorite Gene sung songs:
Parasite (I know it's Ace's)
Watchin' You
Naked City
Larger Than Life
X Ray Eyes

And I know I'm in the minority on Asylum, but it really is one of my favorite Kiss albums.
Gene's songs are great, considering how un into the band he was
Trial BY Fire
Any Way You Slice It
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 17, 2015, 06:55:37 PM
Watchin You would be number four for me from Gene
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 17, 2015, 08:51:02 PM
Although it was written by Paul  :o
I like the song but I prefer the faster live version from Alive II. The faster pace suits it better for me.
I like Destroyer. It was different of course but still a good album. It's not top tier or anything.

I hate the Alive II versions of everything, because they're all too fast and lose the groove (especially Calling Dr Love, which never sounded good live with either Criss or Carr).
But the demo version of God of Thunder with Paul is very cool. Paul's demos always sounded so complete and album ready as is.
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 17, 2015, 08:54:03 PM
I was doing my Gene Simmons singing to whatever came on my I-pod today on our long drive to get my wife to yell or laugh at me.  She (Pun intended) hates his voice.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 17, 2015, 08:56:11 PM
I was doing my Gene Simmons singing to whatever came on my I-pod today on our long drive to get my wife to yell or laugh at me.  She (Pun intended) hates his voice.

Gene's actually got a pretty good voice when he tries. A lot of his Alive II era singing isn't so good though, and my brother and I often jokingly sing the "HEY HEY HEY" bi from Love 'Em Leave 'Em. :lol
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 17, 2015, 08:58:21 PM
I did 2 things to drive her nuts Blob.  I sang the over pronunciation at the end of the words Simmons & The live, I'm gargling glass Simmons to any ballads that came on from my I-pod Shuffle. :lol
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Post by: bl5150 on January 17, 2015, 09:49:03 PM
I'm surprised you like Naked City as much as that TAC - I love it too but thought it might be a bit too "pop" sounding for your taste.

FWIW I just had my first listen to the Serious Black.  Very,very solid album.  Breed as usual has some great soaring choruses , but the music (like a lot of Grapow's stuff) I find is very good but pretty typical power metal and not particularly memorable.  It's missing those few absolutely brilliant tracks/melodies to take it over the top.

Still........I don't want to undersell it either.  It IS very good and I rate it 84%.
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Post by: wolfking on January 18, 2015, 04:30:54 AM
Good score for you.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 18, 2015, 04:11:20 PM
Got myself some time with a "review copy" of Sweet/Lynch for today,so will be giving that a good listen  :xbones


And at first listen I rate it 80%.    I had been a bit wary (having read some poor reviews) but it's a good album.  I'd say it's more like a Sweet solo album with Lynch in the backing band - I certainly wouldn't say that Lynch is "all over it."

And at 12 tracks - as is often the case these days - it's about 4 tracks too long.  Take away the four weakest tracks and it's more an 86%.    Anyhow - I think you guys who are fans of Sweet can buy this knowing that you'll at least really like 3 or 4 tracks.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 18, 2015, 07:08:17 PM
From what Ive heard from the Sweet/Lynch, it seemed a little too mid tempo........hopefully there are some heavier tracks
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Post by: bl5150 on January 18, 2015, 07:27:16 PM
You're right J - it does drag a bit by the end.  It gets its 80% from me due to 3 or 4 really top tracks but by tracks 11-12 I was getting a bit bored.

I think this may be your best bet (Recover) .........stream it at the link.

https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/sweetlynch/updates/44797?utm_campaign=project9908&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pledgemusic
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 18, 2015, 07:50:16 PM
"recover" is a good one
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Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2015, 04:31:43 AM
Any guitar work from Sweet do you think Brent?
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Post by: bl5150 on January 19, 2015, 04:37:03 AM
Any guitar work from Sweet do you think Brent?

Not that was obvious , but I was listening while working and really just concentrating on how much I dug the riffs and melodies etc.........having said that I'm pretty certain that Lynch handled the vast majority or all of the lead work.  There may have been some sharing on the rhythm stuff.  I'll pay more attention to that sort of detail on subsequent listens.
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Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2015, 04:49:05 AM
Yeah, I didn't think Lynch would be doing much guitar work.  A shame.
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Post by: TAC on January 19, 2015, 05:11:01 PM
I'm surprised you like Naked City as much as that TAC - I love it too but thought it might be a bit too "pop" sounding for your taste.
Yeah, but I do like it, and I think Tomorrow is one of Kiss' all time best songs. The only other song I like on Unmasked is Easy As It Seems. Yes, very poppy.

But overall, Unmasked is easily Kiss' worst album.
Edit: I'd still take it over Carnival Of Souls.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 19, 2015, 06:11:51 PM
Carnival of Souls blah
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 19, 2015, 06:59:35 PM
Neither are particularly good albums, but Carnival of Souls still has a few ok songs that are at least in the ballpark of rock/metal. Unmasked doesn't really have anything I've ever gone out of my way to listen to.

But I think I'm splitting hairs. Both albums are KISS trying too hard to conform to what was popular and deviating too far from the hard rock they do best.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 19, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
I rate Unmasked as a lower mid tier album for them - different but plenty of songs to like. A bit like Crazy Nights - I use the skip button a lot but the tracks I like I really like.

Carnival of Souls is just dire IMO and I can't believe the fuss I went through to get the bootleg at the time. (long before its official release it was a real collectors item)  I seem to remember listening to it for the first time out of the back of some guy's car stereo while we were camped out for "Farewell Tour" tickets............the farewell that's still to reach its conclusion that is. :)
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Post by: bl5150 on January 19, 2015, 09:05:07 PM
I'm pretty much done with 1986 guys - just a few days making sure no obscure gems have slipped through the cracks and we'll be done.

EDIT:make that the end of the week...............just found another 30 albums I missed :)  :-\  Prolific period this was.
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Post by: wolfking on January 20, 2015, 04:32:01 AM
Check out this new 'box set; from Malmsteen

https://www.melodicrock.com/articles/news-feed/2015/01/20/yngwie-malmsteens-polydor-years-celebrated-new-box-set

haha, is this a joke?
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Post by: bl5150 on January 20, 2015, 04:34:54 AM
If I bought that off the shelf /ordered sight unseen and discovered that...........well I'd unleash the fucking fury  ;D
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 20, 2015, 04:36:02 AM
Who splits up albums across CD's like that? What a pain that would be to listen to just one album, especially in the digital age.
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Post by: Bolsters on January 20, 2015, 04:38:50 AM
That's more than likely the stupidest album box set I've ever seen.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 20, 2015, 07:28:41 AM
The 2 bonus tracks on Marching Out are cool I guess
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on January 21, 2015, 01:26:08 AM
Who splits up albums across CD's like that? What a pain that would be to listen to just one album, especially in the digital age.

I've got the Chrysallis UFO and Schenker album sets like this and it's a pain in the arse.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 21, 2015, 04:30:46 AM
The 2 bonus tracks on Marching Out are cool I guess

It's a bit weird that these are the only 2 extra tracks.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2015, 09:00:00 AM
Kade/Brent, is this anywhere near you guys?
https://bravewords.com/news/ronnie-james-dio-the-legend-of-dio-a-metal-musical-to-see-world-premier-in-australia-this-march
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 21, 2015, 09:04:15 AM
Kade/Brent, is this anywhere near you guys?
https://bravewords.com/news/ronnie-james-dio-the-legend-of-dio-a-metal-musical-to-see-world-premier-in-australia-this-march

About a half hour's drive from my place - seen a number of gigs at that venue..........JSS , Planet X , Mike Tramp and numerous others I can't remember.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2015, 09:05:00 AM
Cool, will you be submitting a report on this? :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 21, 2015, 09:07:22 AM
I'll look into it -  I don't really know any other Dio fans so I'd be going by myself if I did and I won't do that unless I know it's gunna be good. I'll look into who is putting it on - never heard of 'em.

If I go , I'll submit a report  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2015, 11:00:44 AM
Just ordered my tickets!!!!!!

(https://cdn.ticketfly.com/i/00/01/34/39/35-emd.jpg)

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on January 21, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
What a bill!!    :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Calvin6s on January 21, 2015, 05:21:05 PM
Immortal Randy Rhoads (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNNgFll2lwQ)

Is it wrong that I find this to be a total train wreck?

The worst (and best) is 1/2 of Rage Against the Machine playing Crazy Train.  They should have had the full RATM band.  They tried a happy medium between honoring the original and trying to add their own style and it was the worst of both worlds.  They should have gone full Rage.  Probably would have been the best song on the album.

Ripper Owens singing Ozzy .... BLECH
 :metal
 :police:
 :blush
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2015, 05:22:50 PM
There's nothing about this that is remotely interesting for me. And I love Randy Rhoads.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 21, 2015, 07:37:03 PM
I was interested in this until I read that Ripper Owens was singing most of the tracks. This EPK fully confirms that. Dude can't sing well, and he's doing his best Ozzy impersonation here, and it sounds like a send-up.

There are a lot of good musicians on this, but I have no reason to want this. The studio versions blow all of these recordings away, and it offers nothing new.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Calvin6s on January 21, 2015, 08:37:12 PM
The studio versions blow all of these recordings away
Damn right.  Playing a Rhoads era Ozzy song is great fun, but recording it for a professional release?  What's the point unless you are going to do something dramatically different with it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 21, 2015, 09:10:59 PM
The studio versions blow all of these recordings away
Damn right.  Playing a Rhoads era Ozzy song is great fun, but recording it for a professional release?  What's the point unless you are going to do something dramatically different with it.

For a one off cover, I'm usually more for sticking to the originals, but for a whole album, you really have to do something different with it.
I think the problem is that these aren't played by bands, they're done by a bunch of good musicians in more of a session musician situation, so I don't think there's as much opportunity to put their mark on it as a whole.

I like something more like the Black Sabbath Nativity in Black albums, where the bands are playing the songs in their own signature style, and they manage to add something new without needing to try too hard to be different. You don't get a lot of that when you just get a bunch of random musicians to record some tracks to put together.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 22, 2015, 02:04:01 AM
Well I've had my first listen to the Jorn Lande Dracula album and it's very good.  I normally struggle with albums where I'm being told a story throughout as IMHO the songs rarely stack up in their own right.  I hate it when I feel the song has been compromised to shoe horn in certain lyrics to fit with the story -  I'm in the minority but that's why I've never enjoyed SFAM much.  "You need to appreciate it as a whole" works for some people but not for me I'm afraid.

Anyway...........this album has a bit of that but the songs themselves stand on their own two feet very well and so I didn't find the "metal opera" style an issue.   It's not in the league of a Mindrime or Crimson Idol in terms of having numerous songs that I'll return to on a regular basis but it is consistently good and has a couple of real rippers.

I rate it 90% on first listen and would recommend it to all fans of Jorn Lande

In fact on the strength of this album I'm happy to stop calling him Yawn Lande for a while .........at least until his next plodding solo album   ;D .
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2015, 04:12:03 AM
90%!!  Holy shit!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Bolsters on January 22, 2015, 04:15:19 AM
I wouldn't rate it that highly, but I thought it was pretty good aswell.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 22, 2015, 04:17:39 AM
I place no value on a rating given in the same post as one deriding SFAM. Sorry. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2015, 04:25:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBE1gyRh4gk

Samples of the new JSS album.

I slagged this on the first samples, but I actually don't mind some of these samples.  It's pretty one dimensional for JSS, but sounds solid enough.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2015, 04:27:18 AM
Kade/Brent, is this anywhere near you guys?
https://bravewords.com/news/ronnie-james-dio-the-legend-of-dio-a-metal-musical-to-see-world-premier-in-australia-this-march

2 States away for me.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2015, 04:37:30 AM
That Randy tribute doesn't do much for me either.  I love Ripper but these songs aren't really made for him.  Sucks that it seems that Bob Kulick only is doing rhythm guitar too.  His lead work with WASP was amazing.

If anyone wants to hear some good Ozzy covers done a bit differently, check out Living Loud.  Jimmy Barnes, Steve Morse, Bob Daisley, Lee Kerslake and Don Airey;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX4QkVypcr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbptn9x5sUs
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 22, 2015, 04:39:35 AM
Bob Kulick only is doing rhythm guitar too.  His lead work with WASP was amazing.



You sure about that?  ;D  Pretty much all the best solos on The Crimson Idol were done (uncredited) by Doug Aldrich.  Have a listen and the style is unmistakable.

I remember thinking "Shit ,Bob Kulick got good in a hurry" back in the day myself , but it didn't take long for the lightbulb to switch on.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2015, 04:45:37 AM
Bob Kulick only is doing rhythm guitar too.  His lead work with WASP was amazing.



You sure about that?  ;D  Pretty much all the best solos on The Crimson Idol were done (uncredited) by Doug Aldrich.  Have a listen and the style is unmistakable.

I remember thinking "Shit ,Bob Kulick got good in a hurry" back in the day myself , but it didn't take long for the lightbulb to switch on.

What the fuck?

(https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif)

You for real bro?  I have never heard this.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 22, 2015, 04:49:00 AM
Just have a listen -now that your mind is open to the possibility of it being Doug it'll be obvious.  He did most of the leads on House of Lords' Sahara too without much credit.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2015, 04:51:52 AM
I don't know, I'm not really familiar with Doug's playing around that time, but I can't hear it to be honest, but I will have another listen.  Also, the guitar playing between Crimson Idol and Still Not Black Enough is easy to tell it's a similar style.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 22, 2015, 04:55:39 AM
Fair enough - I've been a fan of Doug since Jesus was a pup and I can guarantee you it's him on a few tracks.  It's hard to find confirmation but I did track down an interview where Doug confirmed it.

The second half of Arena of Pleasure for instance - I can guarantee Bob Kulick cannot play like this and it's so obviously Doug - to me , anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk5cZMMXQmc#t=129
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2015, 04:56:36 AM
Fair enough - I've been a fan of Doug since Jesus was a pup and I can guarantee you it's him on a number of tracks

The second half of Arena of Pleasure for instance - I can guarantee Bob Kulick cannot play like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk5cZMMXQmc#t=129

I just flicked through a few tracks, and yeah, the middle solo of Arena of Pleasure I can definitely hear it.

EDIT: yeah, that's the one.

All I could find was this;

https://www.legendaryrockinterviews.com/2014/01/26/kiss-kontributor-and-studioguitar-guru-bob-kulick-i-remember-thinking-is-there-anybody-who-could-really-think-thats-ace-playing-really/
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 22, 2015, 05:05:51 AM
Been a while since I listened to it -perhaps that's the only solo that impressed me.   ;D Will have a listen later and see if I detect Doug anywhere else. But that solo in Arena of Pleasure is the one that sticks in my mind from that album and I did originally think it was Bob Kulick (as you would , as it says it's Kulick on the notes)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2015, 05:14:00 AM

 Pretty much all the best solos on The Crimson Idol were done (uncredited) by Doug Aldrich. 
That's very interesting. Shit, I didn't even know Bob Kulick played for WASP. Didn't follow them after Electric Circus. I think I did buy The Headless Children, but I think I was pretty much finished with WASP at that point.

I place no value on a rating given in the same post as one deriding SFAM. Sorry. :biggrin:
:lol

Well I've had my first listen to the Jorn Lande Dracula album and it's very good. 
I do not consider myself a Jorn guy, but I liked they song they released last week. I might be interested in this.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 22, 2015, 05:17:14 AM
The Headless Children is a ripper..............made my top 10.   Was a tough choice between that and the debut but there's a more serious/political focus to a lot of the lyrics and a bit more thought in the songwriting which perhaps helped it age a touch better.   I think The Headless Children and The Crimson Idol are far better albums than Electric Circus - I love the title track on that but the rest is just solid IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2015, 05:37:48 AM
Yes, the title track to Electric Circus is amazing. What a great way to open the album.

I guess WASP was fun enough while I was in high school. But when I went to college their shtick didn't really appeal to me anymore. It's ironic that at the time I dropped WASP because of it, was the same time that Blackie seemed to have gotten serious.
The next major haul I make, I really need to make sure I get both The Headless Children and The Crimson Idol. I have heard really great things about The Crimson idol, but I haven't heard a lick from it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 22, 2015, 05:45:17 AM
Eeeeee-lec-tricity to burn  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2015, 05:58:56 AM
Eeeeee-lec-tricity to burn  :metal
:metal :metal

Just the whole musical beginning to it gave me goosebumps. Unfortunately I never saw them. I have no recollection of them playing here.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 23, 2015, 04:24:44 AM
THC is probably the next best WASP album after Crimson Idol.  It really is a killer album from start to finish, and the bonus tracks are just as good.  Solid metal.

Electric Circus is a funny one.  I think the songs are pretty strong, but doesn't really have the lasting impact like Headless Children.  I'm Alive and Restless Gypsy are two of my fav WASP tracks though.

Am I the only one in thinking that The Last Command is the weakest pre-90's WASP album?
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 23, 2015, 04:38:40 AM
New Level 10 doing a pretty decent Whitesnake impression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02NNqNocpY0
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2015, 05:22:55 AM
New Level 10 doing a pretty decent Whitesnake impression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02NNqNocpY0

1987, at least. I'm digging his vocals here, music is ok. This might be one to check out, depending on how much diversity there is on the rest of the album.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Lowdz on January 23, 2015, 02:12:55 PM
THC is probably the next best WASP album after Crimson Idol.  It really is a killer album from start to finish, and the bonus tracks are just as good.  Solid metal.

Electric Circus is a funny one.  I think the songs are pretty strong, but doesn't really have the lasting impact like Headless Children.  I'm Alive and Restless Gypsy are two of my fav WASP tracks though.

Am I the only one in thinking that The Last Command is the weakest pre-90's WASP album?

It would be between TEC and TLC for me. Best bits of both would be a great album though.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 23, 2015, 02:14:36 PM


It would be between TEC and TLC for me. Best bits of both would be a great album though.

Ditto
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on January 23, 2015, 02:23:01 PM
I don't hear Whitesnake in that, but it sounds good.  The singer reminds me a LOT of Russell Allen.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: El Barto on January 23, 2015, 02:25:19 PM
Eeeeee-lec-tricity to burn  :metal
:metal :metal

Just the whole musical beginning to it gave me goosebumps. Unfortunately I never saw them. I have no recollection of them playing here.
Really? They opened up the World Slavery tour down here, as well as some KISS album and they toured with Slayer on Reign in Blood.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 23, 2015, 02:38:02 PM
Eeeeee-lec-tricity to burn  :metal
:metal :metal

Just the whole musical beginning to it gave me goosebumps. Unfortunately I never saw them. I have no recollection of them playing here.
Really? They opened up the World Slavery tour down here, as well as some KISS album and they toured with Slayer on Reign in Blood.

Twisted Sister opened for Maiden in Worcester in Jan 85 (I didn't go), and Accept opened in Providence in June. Saw that!

For Kiss the openers were:
Lick It Up-Accept
Animlize-Queensryche  (I might have those two mixed up)
Asylum-Black n Blue
Crazy Nights-Ted Nugent

I honestly don't remember who played with Slayer on the RiB tour. It was a club show and I didn't go.


I want to say that WASP played the Vet's Coliseum in Providence for the Electric Circus, but I do not have a firm recollection of it.
WASP also may have played some club shows for the first two albums, of course I was too young to go, but again, I don't remember. Actually, I kind of remember them playing The Living Room for their first album, now that I think of it, but I was only 15! :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 23, 2015, 03:54:08 PM

I don't hear Whitesnake in that, but it sounds good.  The singer reminds me a LOT of Russell Allen.


It is Russell Allen.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2015, 04:15:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCPAa21O6tc&feature=youtu.be

man, this new TMac material is sounding good.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 27, 2015, 04:53:52 AM
Listening to my last 1986 album as I type..................................*collapses and ears fall off


Should have the summary up tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 27, 2015, 09:21:15 AM
1986.............what a year!   Once again I seriously underestimated the number of albums I would need to get my head around.   I rated at least 100 albums properly and probably checked out and discarded another 50-60.

I consider myself fortunate that 1986 (age 12) was the year that my music collection first grew wings.   Up to then I had listened exclusively to KISS (mostly) and Van Halen , along with some bits and pieces of my father's collection (Dire Straits, Doobies etc...)   By the end of 1986 my collection included stuff from Ozzy, Malmsteen, Dokken, Jovi, Europe, Def leppard and so on.

I mentioned in my Top 50 that there was a particular VHS tape that I literally played to death and on it we had the group of four songs from Van Halen's debut recorded "live" at The Whiskey with DLR in his red silk get up. After that on the tape was an Ozzy video that really took my love for the guitar to the next level.   Jake  :heart   Dat solo got played over and over and over in 1986............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f80hOOcUh54#t=161

Anyway..........the Top 10.


I'm pretty certain that this is the only year so far where every album in my Top 10 has a 90%+ rating......in fact a few 90% ratings missed the cut , which makes them very unlucky losers.   As far as the rankings go , you could pretty much rearrange the top eight any way you like and I'd find it hard to argue. I have ranked using a combination of my % rating (there are many ties) along with the influence they had on me at the time.  One little anomaly is that I ranked The Final Countdown much higher than Slippery When Wet in my Top 50 and have reversed them here.     At the time I did my top 50 I felt that The Final Countdown was the more influential album (just) and it was also combined in that listing with Norum's Face The Truth ,which adds a lot of weight.   In the end I decided that after my recent listening that SWW has aged a lot better than TFC and thus received a higher % score.   We're really splitting hairs here though with the rankings.

I'm sure my number one will get plenty of  :facepalm: .........and maybe a couple of  :metal  ;D

TOP 10 ALBUMS OF 1986

1.Ozzy Osbourne   : The Ultimate Sin (TIE)
1. Van Halen :5150 (TIE)
3. Bon Jovi   :Slippery When Wet
4. Europe:The Final Countdown
5. Queensryche:   Rage for Order
6 Metallica :Master of Puppets
7 Tesla: Mechanical Resonance
8. David Lee Roth:Eat Em and Smile
9. Waysted   :Save Your Prayers
10. Cinderella: Night Songs



Missed by a bee's dick :

Yngwie Malmsteen: Trilogy
Keel: The Final Frontier
Great White: Shot In The Dark
Ratt: Dancing Undercover


Made the squad but not the team


TT Quick :Metal of Honor
Triumph :Sport of Kings
Helloise :Polarity
Black n Blue :Nasty Nasty
Dio :   Intermission (Expanded boot)
Black Sabbath :Seventh Star
Fate : A Matter of Attitude
Stryper :To Hell With The Devil
Fifth Angel :Fifth Angel
Hawk: Hawk
Rough Cutt    :…..Wants You
Zebra: 3.V
Warlock :True As Steel
Killer Dwarfs :Stand tall
Kuni   :Masque
King Kobra :Thrill of a Lifetime
Judas Priest :Turbo
Sword :Metalized
Alice Cooper :Constrictor
Vinnie Vincent Invasion :s/t
Iron Maiden :Somewhere In Time
Tarot   : Spell of Iron
Giuffria :Silk and Steel
Quiet Riot :III
M.A.R.S:   Project Driver
Q5: When The Mirror Cracks
Vinnie Moore :Mind's Eye
Brighton Rock :   Young Wild and Free
Metal Church: The Dark
Racer X :Street Lethal
Gary Moore: We Want Moore
Rhett Forrester :   Gone With The Wind
Jack Starr's Burning Starr :No Turning Back
Tyran Pace :Watching You
Tysondog :   Crimes of Insanity
Obsession   : Scarred For Life


As before I used an 80% cut off for the HMs.  Many of the more obvious omissions (Megadeth, Accept etc...) were high 70 scores and so just missed the HM cutoff.

Events of note during 1986 ..................first album by Van Hagar and sadly the deaths of Phil Lynott and Cliff Burton.  Metal Hammer makes its debut on newsstands.

Fire away...........as before I will take a break for a week or two before looking into 1987 which I imagine will be a similar sized operation.

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2015, 09:27:17 AM
Brent, this is first post since you joined DTF that is officially...wrong.  :police:

I don't even know where to begin.. Will post later once I disconnect from my defribulator.  ;D

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 27, 2015, 09:29:35 AM
 ;D  I warned you that they'd get more "wrong" once hair metal hit the scene ...........the top 4 I'm sure ain't your cuppa tea.    I didn't think I'd upset you that much though  :omg:  :P

Enjoy your electrical surge :)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 27, 2015, 09:33:53 AM
5150, Slippery When Wet, and MoP are all correct choices for top spots. The Ultimate Sin is a solid album, but it really doesn't have the essential tracks to compete with those, although it would still definitely make my top 10.

Still a very cool top 10 list. :tup
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 27, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
OK..................I admit it.

(https://gregtaylor.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/fonzie-effusion21.jpg)


sorry..........doesn't compute  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2015, 09:41:43 AM
 :rollin

...........the top 4 I'm sure ain't your cuppa tea.   
Not at all. :lol

But at least I respect Slippery. That album basically shaped the rest of the decade, and there would really be no popular/commercially successful  hair metal scene without it. I'm fine with that pick. I had the other three. I thought Europe was just OK. Didn't do much for me, but for me, The Ultimate Sin and 5150 just did not work. I will say that 5150 has actually aged fairly well, but I'd put the DLR a mile above it.
Although VH ultimately won the war, DLR won that first battle. His tour was more like a Van Halen show that um..Van Halen.

I actually really liked the Cinderella. Saw them open for Bon Jovi on this tour. It was a solid classic Aerosmith style album. Also saw DLR and Tesla paired together in Jan 87.

Tesla was easily new band of the year. They put out a monster debut.

Glad to see Waysted make your list. Was not a fan of them going "American" but Danny Vaughan won me over with a fantastic performance.


Here's my list:
Metallica-Master Of Puppets
Tesla-Mechanical Resonance
Accept-Russian Roulette
Iron Maiden-Somehwre In Time
Waysted-Save Your Prayers
Alice Cooper-Constrictor
Queensryche-Rage For Order
Motorhead-Orgasmatron
Megadeth-Peace Sells
WASP-Inside The Electric Circus

Honorable Mentions:
David Lee Roth-Eat 'Em And Smile
Flotsam And Jetsam-Doomsday For The Deceiver
Slayer-Reign In Blood
Fifth Angel-s/t
Fates Warning-Awaken The Guardian
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on January 27, 2015, 09:51:28 AM
So aside from the top 4 we're not too far apart.

All of the albums bar Motorhead and Slayer got a listen from me ........those two bands just do zero for me aside from some fantastic song titles (Killed By Death being hall of fame material).

Of those that didn't make my list ........well you know how much I love WASP but that album is pretty patchy IMO , aside from the awesome title track (as I think we discussed the other day).

There was only two tracks on the Flotsam and Jetsam that I liked and I was surprised how much I didn't like Awaken The Guardian.  Just did zero for me.

Iron Maiden (not a band I've ever been a huge fan of) did make my HMs............Megadeth and Accept I liked but just not quite enough.   Constrictor made my HM , as did Fifth Angel.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
STRONG year.  I really had a tough time ranking many of the top 8.  But the last two are, IMO, much weaker, and included only to fill out the top 10.

1.  Rage for Order (Queensryche):  I wasn't a Queensryche fan at the time, but once I got into them, I got into them big time, and I still hold this album in VERY high esteem.
2.  To Hell With the Devil (Stryper):  I just about wore this tape out.  To me, Stryper typified the '80s pattern of having some strong songs and some filler on pretty much every album.  But the strong songs on this one are among their best ever, and, really, there are only a couple of songs I would consider filler on this one.  It is not only their most consistent album with fewer valleys, but has higher peaks as well.
3.  Somewhere In Time (Maiden):  Given how late I got into Maiden (last year), it almost seems wrong to rank one of their albums so high.  But the thing is, I did like the "hits" I heard back then, and I now consider it such a strong album that I can't NOT rank it so high.
4.  Master of Puppets (Metallica):  This was my first real exposure to Metallica.  I couldn't say I was a fan at the time, but a friend of mine had the album, and it constantly intrigued me.  Once I did become what I would consider a "fan" of their music, this one rose to the top.
5.  5150 (Van Halen):  Van Halen's best album.  Yeah, I said it.
6.  Slippery When Wet (Bon Jovi):  I was a big Bon Jovi fan at the time (had been since the debut, actually), and this was obviously a strong album.  Wanted is still an all-time favorite song.  And Ritchie's solos throughout the album...Man!
7.  Night Songs (Cinderella):  Their first two albums were brilliant.  I hold Long, Cold Winter in higher esteem, as it really has the band starting to break a bit away from the mainstream and really showcase their own sound.  But I still think this one is pretty solid.
8.  Mechanical Resonance (Tesla):  Pretty strong debut.  I remember liking the Modern Day Cowboy video on MTV, but it wasn't until I was blown away seeing them open for Def Leppard that I really took notice.
9.  Dancing Undercover (Ratt):  This is where things start to trail off for me.  I liked this album well enough at the time.  And it definitely has some good hooks.  Just not strong enough that it feels right in a "top __" list.  But it is what it is.
10.  Look What the Cat Dragged In (Poison):  Um...can we just go with a top 9?

Honorable mentions that do not fit the genre:
-Depeche Mode:  Black Celebration
-Huey Lewis:  Fore!
-Siouxsie & the Banshees:  Tinderbox

And this may be the only time I feel the need to list this category, but:
-Biggest disappointment:  Journey: Raised on Radio
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Post by: TAC on January 27, 2015, 10:49:45 AM

All of the albums bar Motorhead and Slayer got a listen from me ........those two bands just do zero for me aside from some fantastic song titles (Killed By Death being hall of fame material).

Orgasmatron was a fresh start for Motorhead. It's my favorite album by them, and really the only Motorhead album that I continuie to listen to. The title track is  :metal :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 27, 2015, 12:41:15 PM
That Iced Earth was in 86?

Good list overall, missing WASP, Crimson Glory, and Barren Cross that would make my list.

Great to see Sword and Fifth Angel.  Two unknown gems!!

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Post by: bl5150 on January 27, 2015, 12:45:15 PM
That Iced Earth was in 86?

Good list overall, missing WASP, Crimson Glory, and Barren Cross that would make my list.

Great to see Sword and Fifth Angel.  Two unknown gems!!

The Iced Earth somehow came across in the cut and paste ,that was 1991.

WASP and Crimson Glory were mid 70's rated............two of my fave bands though.  If memory serves correct I knocked down the rating on the Crimson Glory on my latest listen. The mighty Transcendence of course made my Top50.

The Barren Cross I did listen to but , as per usual with them , I really liked 2 or 3 tracks and thought the rest was mostly filler.   He always does a great Bruce impression  ;D
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Post by: TAC on January 27, 2015, 12:59:51 PM
That Iced Earth was in 86?

The Iced Earth somehow came across in the cut and paste ,that was 1991.
Now that's what I call an album being ahead of its time! ;D
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Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2015, 02:41:14 PM
I love how The Ultimate Sin is at number 1.  Best Ozzy album.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 27, 2015, 02:45:49 PM
I would like to see The Ultimate Sin get re-released like the other Ozzy albums. But I guess Ozzy likes to forget that it exists
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Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2015, 02:51:20 PM
I would like to see The Ultimate Sin get re-released like the other Ozzy albums. But I guess Ozzy likes to forget that it exists

I seriously can't understand why.
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Post by: TAC on January 27, 2015, 03:40:08 PM
I love how The Ultimate Sin is at number 1.  Best Ozzy album.
:facepalm:

I know we've talked about this many times. I just cannot believe that after Blizzard, Diary, and BATM, how anyone on their right mind could think so. With all due respect, bro.
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Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2015, 03:43:17 PM
I love how The Ultimate Sin is at number 1.  Best Ozzy album.
:facepalm:

I know we've talked about this many times. I just cannot believe that after Blizzard, Diary, and BATM, how anyone on their right mind could think so. With all due respect, bro.

I can understand what you are saying.  Diary and Blizard would both be a close second and third, but TUS just does it for me that little bit more.
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Post by: TAC on January 27, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
I love how The Ultimate Sin is at number 1.  Best Ozzy album.
:facepalm:

I know we've talked about this many times. I just cannot believe that after Blizzard, Diary, and BATM, how anyone on their right mind could think so. With all due respect, bro.

I can understand what you are saying.  Diary and Blizard would both be a close second and third, but TUS just does it for me that little bit more.

Yeah it's all good. Crazy! ;D but all good.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2015, 03:57:45 PM
I am with TAC.


Then again, he may be unfairly biased in favor of Blizzard because Mr. Crowley.
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Post by: TAC on January 27, 2015, 04:03:30 PM
I am with TAC.


Then again, he may be unfairly biased in favor of Blizzard because Mr. Crowley.
:metal :metal :metal
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Post by: kingshmegland on January 27, 2015, 04:08:27 PM
Well since both albums were recorded at the same time..........
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Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2015, 07:15:27 PM
Speaking of Diary, I listened to it the other day for the first time in ages and forgot how fucking good it is.  Amazing metal album.  The title track is just ridiculous.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 27, 2015, 07:21:43 PM
The Ultimate Sin was my first Ozzy album (and arguably my first metal album) and so I worked my way back to Diary.   I picked up (and still have) Diary and Blizzard on one of those "2 for the price of one" cassettes  - there's value for you  :tup

Awesome album with some of my favourite , lesser known Ozzy tracks on it.   I always loved S.A.T.O. for example.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 27, 2015, 07:49:39 PM
I would say that Diary is my favorite release from Ozzy.  Great metal album.

The re-release from a couple years back w/ the live RR album as a bonus is top notch.
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Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2015, 08:15:09 PM
The re-release from a couple years back w/ the live RR album as a bonus is top notch.

I think I should get this.  What's the quality of the live show like?
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 27, 2015, 08:30:03 PM
The re-release from a couple years back w/ the live RR album as a bonus is top notch.

I think I should get this.  What's the quality of the live show like?

excellent...right on par with Tribute.
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Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2015, 08:35:29 PM
The re-release from a couple years back w/ the live RR album as a bonus is top notch.

I think I should get this.  What's the quality of the live show like?

excellent...right on par with Tribute.

Wow.

Tribute, now there's a live album I haven't pulled out for a while, gotta change that.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 27, 2015, 09:06:59 PM
The re-release from a couple years back w/ the live RR album as a bonus is top notch.

I think I should get this.  What's the quality of the live show like?

excellent...right on par with Tribute.

Agreed. It's maybe not quite as polished, but it's very close in quality that you could easily confuse the two. It's not too different to what you get on Tribute in terms of setlist and performance, but it's another good live record of Randy Rhoads, so that makes it worth it.

And I also don't know how you could but The Ultimate Sin over many his other albums. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good album and I still listen to it plenty, but it can't compete with Blizzard, Diary, or No More Tears imo (and for me Ozzmosis which is hugely underrated).
I'd probably put it level with BATM, with BATM being less consistent but having much better songs, and TUS being more consistent, but not having the high points.

That said, I love pretty much all Ozzy albums, with his most recent being the only one I'd consider completely worthless.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 27, 2015, 10:08:56 PM
I mentioned that Diary was my favorite Ozzy release overall, but I would likely pick the songs "The Ultimate Sin" and "Shot in the Dark" as my all time favorite Ozzy songs
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 27, 2015, 10:22:15 PM
Shot in the Dark would be up there as one of my favoutites too, and probably Never and The Ultimate Sin, but the album overall isn't up to the top 3 imo. I don't know, there's just something about the album that always keeps it just under the radar, but it is a very good album, and probably underrated.
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Post by: wolfking on January 28, 2015, 04:27:10 AM
The re-release from a couple years back w/ the live RR album as a bonus is top notch.

I think I should get this.  What's the quality of the live show like?

excellent...right on par with Tribute.

Agreed. It's maybe not quite as polished, but it's very close in quality that you could easily confuse the two. It's not too different to what you get on Tribute in terms of setlist and performance, but it's another good live record of Randy Rhoads, so that makes it worth it.

And I also don't know how you could but The Ultimate Sin over many his other albums. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good album and I still listen to it plenty, but it can't compete with Blizzard, Diary, or No More Tears imo (and for me Ozzmosis which is hugely underrated).
I'd probably put it level with BATM, with BATM being less consistent but having much better songs, and TUS being more consistent, but not having the high points.

That said, I love pretty much all Ozzy albums, with his most recent being the only one I'd consider completely worthless.

I can totally agree with this.  Great album.
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Post by: TAC on January 28, 2015, 05:46:33 AM
I would say that Diary is my favorite release from Ozzy.  Great metal album.

The re-release from a couple years back w/ the live RR album as a bonus is top notch.

I did not know there was a rerelease with a live album. Mmm.. I may have to take a look at that. While there are tons of Ozzy/RR boots, they all seem to suck.

Does the rerelease still have Daisley and Kerslake?
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2015, 05:51:38 AM
I would say that Diary is my favorite release from Ozzy.  Great metal album.

The re-release from a couple years back w/ the live RR album as a bonus is top notch.

I did not know there was a rerelease with a live album. Mmm.. I may have to take a look at that. While there are tons of Ozzy/RR boots, they all seem to suck.

Does the rerelease still have Daisley and Kerslake?

All good there. It's the original album, none of this re-recorded or remixed BS like the last one.
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Post by: ozzy554 on January 28, 2015, 03:18:49 PM
I liked scream, but the production kept me from loving it. Its just WAY too overproduced, which is a shame because there are some good songs on there in my opinion with time being my favorite. I hope for his next album he gets a new producer.
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Post by: WebRaider on January 28, 2015, 03:27:22 PM
I liked scream, but the production kept me from loving it. Its just WAY too overproduced, which is a shame because there are some good songs on there in my opinion with time being my favorite. I hope for his next album he gets a new producer.


I agree... It gets way more hate than it deserves. As a whole album; Song-wise, (not production,music necessarily) I like it better than probably anything since Ozzmosis. I'm a mega Ozz fan but I wasn't a big fan of the stuff from after No More Tears. I love Zakk but he and Ozzy got way lazy and the majority just all sounded the same to me.
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Post by: TAC on January 28, 2015, 03:33:39 PM
I've heard two songs from Scream and they both absolutely sucked. One was the title track and the other was kind of ballady.

Name me one or two songs that I should check out.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 28, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
The only song I heard from Scream was the title track and I thought it was terrible. 
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Post by: wolfking on January 28, 2015, 09:07:16 PM
I purchased Scream mainly because of Gus G.  I listened to it once and have not played it since.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2015, 09:09:40 PM
I've heard two songs from Scream and they both absolutely sucked. One was the title track and the other was kind of ballady.

Name me one or two songs that I should check out.

The sad part is that they're by far the most tolerable on the album. Beyond that it's all slop garbage. It's by far Ozzy's worst album. Even Black Rain had a few great tracks on it to redeem it.
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Post by: wolfking on January 28, 2015, 09:14:16 PM
Black Rain didn't do much for me at all either.

I did quite like Down to Earth though.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2015, 09:42:27 PM
I think Down to Earth is quite underrated. It's a solid metal album, and Facing Hell has always been one of my favourites.

Black Rain I put marginally above Scream, because Not Going Away and The Almighty Dollar are pretty good songs, and at least the rest sounds like it's trying to be music.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 28, 2015, 09:49:40 PM
I haven't been impressed with Ozzy since Ozzmosis. That tv show didn't help things
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Post by: bl5150 on January 28, 2015, 10:16:28 PM
As you guys know I'm a huge Ozzy fan and I've hardly even listened to the post-Ozzmosis stuff - in fact I'm sure I haven't heard all the albums right through.  Zakk started to get all BLS on Ozzy and the songs have just gone downhill fast without the great team he had on many of his best albums.

Gus G is an okay guitarist but can't write a decent song IMO - thought his solo album was crap too although it seems it has plenty of fans.  (wolfking included  ;) )  Just didn't grab me at all I'm afraid - even with the vocal talent on board..
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2015, 10:31:16 PM
As you guys know I'm a huge Ozzy fan and I've hardly even listened to the post-Ozzmosis stuff - in fact I'm sure I haven't heard all the albums right through.  Zakk started to get all BLS on Ozzy and the songs have just gone downhill fast without the great team he had on many of his best albums.

Gus G is an okay guitarist but can't write a decent song IMO - thought his solo album was crap too although it seems it has plenty of fans.  (wolfking included  ;) )  Just didn't grab me at all I'm afraid - even with the vocal talent on board..

I don't believe Gus G even has a writing credit on the latest Ozzy album. He's just a session guitarist basically. I prefer when the guitarist is the main songwriter and collaborator. It gives it a stronger sound, as they always had on the older albums.
Zakk Wylde doesn't have a writing credit on Down to Earth either, but that's before Ozzy or BLS sounded like slop anyway. That was his last great album imo, and I don't expect that will change with any new ones.
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Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2015, 04:10:28 AM
As you guys know I'm a huge Ozzy fan and I've hardly even listened to the post-Ozzmosis stuff - in fact I'm sure I haven't heard all the albums right through.  Zakk started to get all BLS on Ozzy and the songs have just gone downhill fast without the great team he had on many of his best albums.

Gus G is an okay guitarist but can't write a decent song IMO - thought his solo album was crap too although it seems it has plenty of fans.  (wolfking included  ;) )  Just didn't grab me at all I'm afraid - even with the vocal talent on board..

You should check out The Premonition from Firewind Brent, or even Allegiance, really solid metal.

And yes, I still love his solo album and spin it regulary, really fresh IMO.

Agree with Blob with Down to Earth being underrated and the last good Ozzy album.
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Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2015, 04:12:37 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/black-sabbaths-geezer-butler-arrested-for-california-bar-fight/

Geezer Butler still a badass.
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Post by: bl5150 on January 29, 2015, 04:17:43 AM

You should check out The Premonition from Firewind Brent, or even Allegiance, really solid metal.

And yes, I still love his solo album and spin it regulary, really fresh IMO.

Agree with Blob with Down to Earth being underrated and the last good Ozzy album.

Will do ..................checked my collection and I have Burning Earth and Days of Defiance by Firewind.  Some solid toons here and there but nothing brilliant and so didn't bother going much further .

I rated Gus G's solo album 63%    :angel: ;D
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Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2015, 04:29:39 AM

You should check out The Premonition from Firewind Brent, or even Allegiance, really solid metal.

And yes, I still love his solo album and spin it regulary, really fresh IMO.

Agree with Blob with Down to Earth being underrated and the last good Ozzy album.

Will do ..................checked my collection and I have Burning Earth and Days of Defiance by Firewind.  Some solid toons here and there but nothing brilliant and so didn't bother going much further .

I rated Gus G's solo album 63%    :angel: ;D

Burning Earth is one of the earlier ones.  I didn't really get into the older stuff at all actually.  Days of Defiance was deemed a step down from the previous two, but I really liked it.  Premonition and Allegiance are crowned their two big albums.
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Post by: TAC on January 29, 2015, 07:17:23 AM
Going back to 1986, although I put Master Of Puppets at the top of my list, I really didn't listen to it during that year. I did borrow the album from a friend because we were going to see them open for Ozzy, but I wasn't really into it. After loving Kill 'Em All when it came out, RTL and MOP came out and I basically ignored Metallica. For some reason, I did not follow that track of metal through 1984-1986, opting for a more Maiden and Dio kind of thing.

It wasn't until 1987 when I heard Keepers Pt.1 and Metallica's Garage Days Rerevisited, that the flood gates really opened for me on Metallica.
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Post by: TAC on January 30, 2015, 02:43:55 PM
Blackwelder!!
https://bravewords.com/news/blackwelder-featuring-primal-fear-dio-disciples-ex-angra-members-announce-debut-album-title-release-date-pre-mix-track-stream-posted
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Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2015, 03:51:50 PM
YYEEAAHHH!!  That song sounds fucking solid.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 30, 2015, 08:39:01 PM
YYEEAAHHH!!  That song sounds fucking solid.
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Post by: wolfking on February 01, 2015, 03:28:50 AM
New UFO teaser;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w8d1z0tVdh8&x-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404

Sounds like the last few.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 01, 2015, 07:33:29 AM
I really enjoy UFOs material from the 70s and early 80s, but have paid little attention to their 90s and onward material
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Post by: WebRaider on February 01, 2015, 02:34:28 PM
Blackwelder!!
https://bravewords.com/news/blackwelder-featuring-primal-fear-dio-disciples-ex-angra-members-announce-debut-album-title-release-date-pre-mix-track-stream-posted



LOL this is actually pretty good but OMG.. you guys were just discussing the Master of Puppets album.. does no one else hear that?  :lol
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Post by: TAC on February 01, 2015, 02:38:15 PM
Apparently I was the only one discussing it. :lol
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Post by: Lowdz on February 02, 2015, 12:52:57 PM
I really enjoy UFOs material from the 70s and early 80s, but have paid little attention to their 90s and onward material

I love Vinnie Moore but haven't really enjoyed much of the output with him so far. And the vocals have sounded weird. This sounds better. Pretty much UFO by numbers there.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 02, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
It surprises me how unknown UFO is considering how much material they have and how influential they were
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Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2015, 03:39:58 PM
They have always seem to be one of those bands that just cruise under the radar.
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Post by: TAC on February 02, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
After Dream Theater and Iron Maiden, UFO are my next favorite band.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 02, 2015, 04:49:09 PM
After Dream Theater and Iron Maiden, ...I still have to think REALLY hard to even remember a single UFO song title.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 02, 2015, 04:50:50 PM
After Dream Theater and Iron Maiden, ...I still have to think REALLY hard to even remember a single UFO song title.

That's hitting Rock Bottom if you don't know any UFO
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Post by: bosk1 on February 02, 2015, 04:56:29 PM
Hate to say it, but the only reason I even get that joke is that Tesla covered that song.  :lol
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 02, 2015, 05:09:09 PM
lol
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Post by: TAC on February 02, 2015, 05:11:44 PM
Tesla actually did an awesome job with that. UFO's influence on Tesla is obvious. Bosk, I wouldn't even know where to start with UFO for you, but their live album Strangers In The Night is an absolute must have.
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Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2015, 06:48:31 PM
After Dream Theater and Iron Maiden, ...I still have to think REALLY hard to even remember a single UFO song title.

That's hitting Rock Bottom if you don't know any UFO

Not bad at all.
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Post by: Lowdz on February 03, 2015, 01:32:48 AM
Tesla actually did an awesome job with that. UFO's influence on Tesla is obvious. Bosk, I wouldn't even know where to start with UFO for you, but their live album Strangers In The Night is an absolute must have.

I agree with TAC. Wow  :biggrin:

Yes, it's a difficult one. After SITN I would suggest Force It or Obsession for the Schenker era and maybe The Wild, The Willing And The Innocent for CHapman. Or just get an in depth best of.
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Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2015, 04:43:55 AM
New UFO tune in here;

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ufo-new-song-run-boy-run-avaialble-for-streaming/

Pretty solid actually.
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Post by: TAC on February 03, 2015, 05:42:49 AM
Tesla actually did an awesome job with that. UFO's influence on Tesla is obvious. Bosk, I wouldn't even know where to start with UFO for you, but their live album Strangers In The Night is an absolute must have.

I agree with TAC. Wow  :biggrin:

Yes, it's a difficult one. After SITN I would suggest Force It or Obsession for the Schenker era and maybe The Wild, The Willing And The Innocent for CHapman. Or just get an in depth best of.

WWI is definitely the definitive Chapman era album, but I prefer No Heavy Petting. One of the best performances by a guitarist that these ears have heard.


New UFO tune in here;

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ufo-new-song-run-boy-run-avaialble-for-streaming/

Pretty solid actually.
Heard that yesterday. Nope. Not bad. Some tasty licks.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 03, 2015, 07:02:05 AM
That is a solid tune!
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Post by: TAC on February 03, 2015, 10:05:41 AM
And speaking of UFO, 1993's reunion album Walk On Water is one of their best.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 04, 2015, 02:29:34 AM
It's taken me a while to finish it , but I just got though the new SOTO disc.   It's about where I expected , which is not that impressive.   I hate to say it as I worship the guy but these sort of albums highlight to me what a huge part of Talisman Marcel Jacob was. 

There's certainly some good tracks on it - maybe half the songs I'd be happy to have on rotation but none of them really grabbed me in a big way.   I'd certainly check it out if I was a Soto fan but  in my case I was pretty bored with it by the end.

Rating : 70%
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Post by: wolfking on February 04, 2015, 04:00:51 AM
I'm getting it, but I ain't expecting much from it.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 04, 2015, 08:04:14 AM
Brent, does it have a more modern sound?
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Post by: bl5150 on February 04, 2015, 06:39:57 PM
 
Brent, does it have a more modern sound?

It does yeah.........although it's not all "modern metal".  I'd say it's just melodic metal with a modern edge .

I was really down on it after the first two tracks which were all Adrenaline Mob...........I really don't like it when Jeff does the whole "you've gone too far , I'll kick your ass" type lyric as it just doesn't suit him , but as it went on the quality of the writing improved.  I thought we were on target for a 60% at the start.

At the end of the day it's a good quality record that , aside from one or two songs, I don't feel like playing again.   I feel like that about a lot of current day releases - the quality is there but nothing memorable.
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Post by: wolfking on February 04, 2015, 07:29:57 PM
Brent, does it have a more modern sound?

It does yeah.........although it's not all "modern metal".  I'd say it's just melodic metal with a modern edge .

I was really down on it after the first two tracks which were all Adrenaline Mob...........I really don't like it when Jeff does the whole "you've gone too far , I'll kick your ass" type lyric as it just doesn't suit him , but as it went on the quality of the writing improved.  I thought we were on target for a 60% at the start.

At the end of the day it's a good quality record that , aside from one or two songs, I don't feel like playing again.   I feel like that about a lot of current day releases - the quality is there but nothing memorable.

I really agree with that.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 09, 2015, 05:27:15 PM
Im really digging the new Level 10 disc. 
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Post by: TAC on February 09, 2015, 05:32:32 PM
Im really digging the new Level 10 disc.
Is that the Russ Allen thing?
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Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2015, 05:53:17 PM
Im really digging the new Level 10 disc.
Is that the Russ Allen thing?

Yeah.

I'm only 3 tracks in but like what I am hearing so far.  Grapow is shredding it up so far.
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Post by: TAC on February 09, 2015, 05:55:35 PM
Im really digging the new Level 10 disc.
Is that the Russ Allen thing?

Yeah.

I'm only 3 tracks in but like what I am hearing so far.  Grapow is shredding it up so far.
:facepalm:
That's right..Grapow too. Will check out.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 09, 2015, 06:47:08 PM
Yeah Grapow sounds excellent!
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Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2015, 08:01:06 PM
I was afraid he was going to play second fiddle to Alex, but good to hear him shred it out.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 09, 2015, 09:28:23 PM
I was afraid he was going to play second fiddle to Alex, but good to hear him shred it out.

Do you think this will be a one time gig? I think these guys really gel
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Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2015, 04:41:03 AM
I was afraid he was going to play second fiddle to Alex, but good to hear him shred it out.

Do you think this will be a one time gig? I think these guys really gel

I think the band sounds quite good together too.  I think Grapow is what makes this that extra special.  Sounds like a lot of the rhythm playing is him too, his tones are incredible and give the album a real boost.

The funny thing is, for all the members involved in this, it's really nothing out of the box, but I think that's what makes this album really enjoyable.  Straight forward, simple, ass kicking songs with the band just doing some cool shit and not trying to come up with something that seems forced.  Really liking this too.
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Post by: Lowdz on February 10, 2015, 03:24:00 PM
Yeah a good effort/ A couple of songs don't do it - too Adrenaline Mob-like - but the rest are well worth it. Nice to hear Russ on some more melodic stuff. The duffers are the ones he resorts to bellowing on. Have only listened in the car so not sure of the titles yet. Needs more listens and it was enjoyable enough that it will get them,
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Post by: bl5150 on February 10, 2015, 04:04:11 PM
I'm going to get a chance to have a listen to the Jap version of the new Eclipse today.  I go in not expecting anything particularly inspiring and I imagine I won't be waiting long  to hear that first (typical) rapid fire riff that Martensson goes for so often.  Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised. 

Edit ...had to wait around 5 seconds  ;D   Decent riff though  :D
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Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2015, 04:15:43 PM
Report your thoughts Brent.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 10, 2015, 05:27:36 PM
Report your thoughts Brent.

OK..............good album.  I'll preface this by saying that I have never subscribed to the idea that Martensson is some sort of songwriting genius -  and for some reason I've preferred the material he has written outside of his main band.  I have trouble remembering much about the last album (Bleed and Scream) aside from the fact that I really liked 2 or 3 tracks and , as is often the case with Erik , the rest just blended into each other and left me uninspired.

The consensus among reviewers seems to be that this is "even better" than Bleed and Scream and I would agree with that - they said the same thing about the latest H.E.A.T. too ,with which I totally disagree.    How you get better than 100% I don't know but I'll leave that to others  ;D     

Like Bleed and Scream I really like a few tracks and the rest....not so much.   The difference here is that IMHO the weaker tracks are a lot stronger.    There's a few more slightly original ideas floating around too.  It's probably a bit closer to the Hitchcock album in quality , if that means anything.

So - if you're already an Eclipse fan - you know what you're going to get and I'd say it's an automatic purchase.   Those who are  a bit iffy ........I'd still give it a go.    It's exactly what you expect from Martensson.  The guitar sound and production is about the same on every song and about the same as all his other stuff   , there's huge riffs, huge production and a retro feel to a number of the songs.  It's just straight ahead melodic hard rock done well but without anywhere near the songwriting depth of albums like Albion , Address The Nation etc......

I rate it 82% which is a lot higher than I expected going in.  Having said that I'm not sure it's going to age well - it's a style of songwriting which catches your ear but for the most part doesn't demand multiple repeat listens......and that applies to most recent releases where I'm concerned.   For what it is though it's well done.

I think you'll like it Kade , with the qualifications given above.
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Post by: TAC on February 10, 2015, 05:40:40 PM
Not familiar with Eclipse. How many albums do they have? What's the best?
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Post by: bl5150 on February 10, 2015, 05:45:25 PM
Not familiar with Eclipse. How many albums do they have? What's the best?

I think they might be up to five now ......I'd say this latest is their best but I'm not sure it's your cuppa tea TAC.

Here's one of the stronger tracks .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVS71KUnH1M
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Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2015, 05:59:10 PM
Sounds good Brent.  I have it on preorder, but good to read your words on it.  I'm sure I'll dig it for the most part, although I think I'll agree with you with the aging of the record.  Bleen and Scream was amazing at the start, but funny how badly it aged for me.

Yeah, I think this would be their 5th album.  Their first two were pretty shit.  Are You Ready to Rock was a good slab of rock too and that one aged better than Bleed and Scream IMO.  yeah, TAC, I don't think you'd dig 'em that much.
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Post by: TAC on February 10, 2015, 05:59:39 PM
At first I thought I was listening to Egypt (The Chains Are On). The verse reminds me of something off Waysted's Save Your Prayers. I don't care for the chorus. Cool solo section and great vocals.
I rate it an 83%. ;D

It definitely gets me interested in checking something else out. Where are they from?
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Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2015, 06:02:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVS71KUnH1M

Geez, the music sounds exactly the same as any track from Bleed and Scream.  This could be placed anywhere in that album and fit just like the rest.

It definitely gets me interested in checking something else out. Where are they from?

Sweden?  I think.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 10, 2015, 06:04:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVS71KUnH1M

Geez, the music sounds exactly the same as any track from Bleed and Scream.  This could be placed anywhere in that album and fit just like the rest.

It definitely gets me interested in checking something else out. Where are they from?

Sweden?  I think.

Yep and yep  ;D

I think this track off B&S might be more up TAC's alley..........a bit less wishy washy chorus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwUPS86264


But yeah..........same old chugga chugga riffs , but there is a bit more variety on the latest than there was on B&S.
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Post by: TAC on February 10, 2015, 06:08:20 PM
I think this track off B&S might be more up TAC's alley..........a bit less wishy washy chorus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwUPS86264
Kiss' King Of The Mountain anyone?

I like this. Real Old School.

Thanks guys!
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 10, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
That was pretty good.

I would rate it a 78.658%
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Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2015, 06:48:53 PM
 :lol
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Post by: bl5150 on February 10, 2015, 08:09:32 PM
Chris Holmes' latest vid............I rate this 99%.........not  :lol    They should get him to do some stuff for Frontiers - at least it'd be sorta interesting  :angel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTIWzgExzAA
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Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2015, 08:54:51 PM
Saw that the other day.  What the hell is he thinking, or smoking?  :lol
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Post by: ozzy554 on February 10, 2015, 09:23:23 PM
Instrumentally I like it, The guitar has that old school WASP sound that I love. Then when he opens his mouth it's all downhill from there. He REALLY needs to find a singer.
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Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2015, 09:26:55 PM
Instrumentally I like it, The guitar has that old school WASP sound that I love. Then when he opens his mouth it's all downhill from there. He REALLY needs to find a singer.

Yeah, I thought right away it sounded like something from the first couple of albums.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 10, 2015, 11:11:39 PM
overall, not good
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Post by: wolfking on February 11, 2015, 04:29:29 AM
Still happily spinning Level 10 constantly, it's good.  I'm just not sure how much lasting power it will have over time.  Fuck I love Grapow's playing though.
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Post by: TAC on February 11, 2015, 06:36:45 AM
Chris Holmes WTF? :facepalm:

Still happily spinning Level 10 constantly, it's good.  I'm just not sure how much lasting power it will have over time. 
I'm not sure I'm going to buy this.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 11, 2015, 11:04:02 AM
Chris Holmes WTF? :facepalm:

Still happily spinning Level 10 constantly, it's good.  I'm just not sure how much lasting power it will have over time. 
I'm not sure I'm going to buy this.

Just make sure you have spending money in March for the deluxe edition of Defenders of the Faith. That is a must buy if I've ever seen one!
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Post by: TAC on February 11, 2015, 11:39:17 AM
Thanks for reminding me. Time to make an actual list of The List. Im getting some CD money on Valentines and then again for a Easter. 

Love the fact that they are releasing a full live show. Isolated live bonus tracks do nothing for me.
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Post by: wolfking on February 11, 2015, 08:12:51 PM
Still happily spinning Level 10 constantly, it's good.  I'm just not sure how much lasting power it will have over time. 
I'm not sure I'm going to buy this.

I'm still spinning it and enjoying it.  It's worth a purchase.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 11, 2015, 08:23:34 PM
I would give Level 10 an 8.5/10. Excellent disc, recommended!
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Post by: bl5150 on February 11, 2015, 08:26:33 PM
I gave it 75%..........was certainly better than I expected from the samples.  Like most releases these days .................cut 4 tracks and that rating would jump into the 80's.    Based on song ratings I had 1 killer , 7 good tracks and 4 fillers.
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Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2015, 04:21:08 AM
I just noticed today how similar the riffs in Wilderness I think it is are to Headless Cross.  Pretty much the same.
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Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2015, 04:24:58 AM
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/impellitterivenomcd.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G4je574I2pU

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/impellitteri-to-release-venom-album-in-april/

Was never a huge fan of Chris' music.  I'll give this a listen but won't expect that much.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 12, 2015, 05:00:30 AM
Had a listen to the EPK and it sounds like an average Impellitteri  album...........maybe one or two really good tracks and the rest just dialled in.  He does have a couple of albums that are much more consistent but I doubt this will be added to that group.

I can't remember the last album by an 80's shredder that really grabbed me - maybe one of Macalpine's , but really the best of this stuff was done a long time ago and it's a pleasant surprise when anything even comes close to hitting the same heights as the heyday.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 12, 2015, 05:01:10 AM
I'm a big Rob Rock fan, but could never get into Impellitteri.

That is one awesome album cover!! Might give this one a try
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Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2015, 05:06:35 AM
I can't remember the last album by an 80's shredder that really grabbed me - maybe one of Macalpine's , but really the best of this stuff was done a long time ago and it's a pleasant surprise when anything even comes close to hitting the same heights as the heyday.

Macalpine has been by far the most consistent over the years IMO.  The last Vinnie Moore wasn't bad though.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 16, 2015, 06:35:36 AM
Upcoming film on Scorpions if anyone's interested.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCG4wYXd1ao
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Post by: TAC on February 16, 2015, 07:00:02 AM
Rolf Rische is German for Eddie Trunk!  :lol
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Post by: bl5150 on February 17, 2015, 12:22:25 AM
Rolf Rische is German for Eddie Trunk!  :lol

I thought it was dummkopf  :lol
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Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2015, 04:51:00 AM
How many of you guys checked out Serious Black and what did you think?  I'm listening to my copy for the first time and can't really form an opinion yet.  Not sure how strong I think it is yet.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 17, 2015, 04:55:42 AM
I rated it low 80's at first listen............a bit one dimensional but the key to the high rating is no total duds and a couple of really good songs.  I'd need to give it another listen to comment in detail.  Certainly not my favourite album featuring Breed or Grapow but a very solid debut and they themselves have said it was a bit rushed and they view it as a taster for a much better second effort.
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Post by: Evermind on February 17, 2015, 05:09:19 AM
I think it was alright, loved some songs, but didn't care for a few others. It didn't have a lot of lasting power on me, I think I grew a bit tired of it after five spins or so.

I also think some songs had the great potential, but ended up being a bit weak. For example, when I heard High and Low the first time, I was excited at the beginning with that powerful "high and loooooooow" part, but when the actual chorus kicked in, I was disappointed. I need to spin the album again to find more examples though.
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Post by: TAC on February 17, 2015, 05:58:02 AM
Hmm.. You guys are not helping me with this. I was looking forward to this. Now I don't know what to do.
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Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2015, 03:00:22 PM
I rated it low 80's at first listen............a bit one dimensional but the key to the high rating is no total duds and a couple of really good songs.  I'd need to give it another listen to comment in detail.  Certainly not my favourite album featuring Breed or Grapow but a very solid debut and they themselves have said it was a bit rushed and they view it as a taster for a much better second effort.

Yeah, it's pretty consistent and every song has something to offer, but I can understand the comment about it being a bit rushed.  If this is rushed though, I look forward to the next one.  I'm still undecided but it seems to be a grower and my second listen now is a lot better than the first.

The only negative I have is that Grapow's lead tone doesn't sound anywhere near as strong as usual.  Even compared to Level 10, the quality of the tone and production is worlds apart.


I think it was alright, loved some songs, but didn't care for a few others. It didn't have a lot of lasting power on me, I think I grew a bit tired of it after five spins or so.

I also think some songs had the great potential, but ended up being a bit weak. For example, when I heard High and Low the first time, I was excited at the beginning with that powerful "high and loooooooow" part, but when the actual chorus kicked in, I was disappointed. I need to spin the album again to find more examples though.

I can see it not having lasting power, but I'll see how it goes.  High and Low is one I didn't really care for when it came out, but now within the album it's an early favourite.  The part you are talking about wouldn't help as it's a total rip off of Edguy's Ministry of Saints.
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Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2015, 03:00:44 PM
Hmm.. You guys are not helping me with this. I was looking forward to this. Now I don't know what to do.

I think you should enjoy it.
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Post by: TAC on February 17, 2015, 03:32:14 PM
Hmm.. You guys are not helping me with this. I was looking forward to this. Now I don't know what to do.

I think you should enjoy it.

OK, I'll grab it for the ride home.



I hope Testament releases a live album from this tour:
https://bravewords.com/news/testament-announce-dark-roots-of-thrash-ii-tour-re-introducing-bassist-steve-digiorgio-to-perform-the-legacy-the-new-order-albums-in-their-entirety-plus-select-practice-what-you-preach-album-cuts-exodus-shattered-sun-to-support
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Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
That's gonna be a killer setlist.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 17, 2015, 03:37:07 PM
Believe it or not I'm sitting here with a Practice What You Preach shirt on  :biggrin:
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Post by: bosk1 on February 17, 2015, 03:42:30 PM
I believe it.
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Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2015, 03:47:28 PM
Badass.

just got through Serious Black again, and yeah, there's nothing really weak on here at all.
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Post by: Evermind on February 17, 2015, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: wolfking
The part you are talking about wouldn't help as it's a total rip off of Edguy's Ministry of Saints.

Now, I don't think it's a bad thing. I don't say they had to continue with it, but I wish they developed it into something more powerful.
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Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2015, 04:24:31 AM
I like it, but I can see what you mean with that part.  Love Roland's solo on that song too.
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2015, 06:14:01 AM
just got through Serious Black again, and yeah, there's nothing really weak on here at all.

OK I'm one listen through it.
It's starts off well enough with the first two songs. The first sign of trouble for me is Sealing My Fate. I just hate how Breed sings this.
It shows up again in the later ballad.
My favorite song is Akhenation.
This album reminds me of the last Masterplan, which should be no surprise, but I must say I like Altzi better. I don't have anything with Urban Breed on it, but all of his samples have always sounded great, but I must say, he's actually a bit annoying by the end of this.

That all said, musically, this is right up my alley. It needs some more spins, and will definitely get them.

Why name this band Serious Black? It doesn't feel real Serious, and it's definitely not Black. :)
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 18, 2015, 08:50:03 AM
So I was discussing in GD-side chat that I didn't get into music heavily until the mid to late 90's.  I got everything I could from Kiss, Van Halen, shredders like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani, and a slect few others.  Eventually, I got into hair bands and did the same - I listened to that almost exclusively and didn't venture much further.  Now, I realize that there are SO SO many classic albums that I just never ever listened to.  I knew the radio hits (if there were any), but that was it.

So I've been trying to go back and listen to a lot of classic albums that I've never given a proper listen.  For example, in the last week, I've listened to Blizzard of Ozz, Diary of a Madman, British Steel, and Screaming for Vengeance.  All great stuff.  Listening to Anthrax's Among the Living currently.  Not liking it as much as I liked STD.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2015, 10:05:39 AM
Not liking it as much as I liked STD.

Given the timeframe you got into music, that isn't really surprising.  STD's were definitely in the rise in the '80s, but there was so much talk and awareness and education that they started to decline again by the 90s, so...
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 18, 2015, 10:11:50 AM
:lol
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
  Listening to Anthrax's Among the Living currently.  Not liking it as much as I liked STD.
STD has much more of a classic metal feel. Among has a lot of NY hardcore elements in it. But back in the day, STD kind of came and went. Among really was their breakthrough album because of the outside your normal metal influences.
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2015, 02:52:25 PM
Not liking it as much as I liked STD.

Given the timeframe you got into music, that isn't really surprising.  STD's were definitely in the rise in the '80s, but there was so much talk and awareness and education that they started to decline again by the 90s, so...

 :lol

Bosk..
 (https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/24837028.jpg)

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Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2015, 02:56:54 PM
Uh...

So Level 10 is pretty cool.
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Post by: TAC on February 18, 2015, 03:01:16 PM
So Level 10 is pretty cool.

I still need some convincing.




Anyway, for the ride to Disney, my theme was relatively recent albums by classic bands. Here's the list:
Uriah Heep-Wake The Sleeper
UFO-The Visitor
Michael Schenker-Bridge The Gap
Saxon-Call To Arms
Anthrax-Worship Music
Armored Saint-La Raza
Flotsam &Jetsam-Ugly Noise
Megadeth-Th1rt3en
Iron Maiden-The Final Frontier
Testament-Dark Roots Of Earth
Unisonic-Light Of Dawn


Unisonic was kind of a cheat I guess, but I'd rather listen to that than recent Helloween.

I also must say that Worship Music finally and absolutely clicked with me. What a great album. Some of the best lead playing on any Anthrax album. I kind of glossed over this a little when it came out.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 18, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
So Level 10 is pretty cool.

I still need some convincing.

Having listened to the album a few times now, I am definitely getting the Whitesnake vibe somebody mentioned earlier.  It's sort of a Whitesnake meets Dio (and maybe a sprinkling of late '80s Ozzy) with modern, sinister heavy riffing and some nice background keys to give subtle atmosphere.  That's how I would describe the album as a whole.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 18, 2015, 04:34:22 PM
I never understood the status of Among The Living...........STD kills it IMO.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 18, 2015, 05:15:14 PM
I never understood the status of Among The Living...........STD kills it IMO.

STD is my favorite release from Anthrax for sure.  Worship Music would rank highly too, that was a fantastic release and I'm looking forward to what they put out this year.

TAC, get Level 10.......you will like it!  Whitesnake meets Dio is a good description.
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Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2015, 08:09:04 PM
So Level 10 is pretty cool.

I still need some convincing.

Having listened to the album a few times now, I am definitely getting the Whitesnake vibe somebody mentioned earlier.  It's sort of a Whitesnake meets Dio (and maybe a sprinkling of late '80s Ozzy) with modern, sinister heavy riffing and some nice background keys to give subtle atmosphere.  That's how I would describe the album as a whole.

Yeah, I mentioned the Whitensnake thing when Cry No More was released.  I still feel it has that vibe but a mix with Dio is very appropriate.  Great album too.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 19, 2015, 04:53:02 AM
I like the look of this.........apparently on DVD in April.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlzWl795u0E

One on thrash too........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL9Yj4-L76M
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Post by: wolfking on February 19, 2015, 05:14:56 AM
That first trailer was put up in 2013!   :lol

They look cool though, although I was never really big into buying documentries on DVD.
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Post by: TAC on February 19, 2015, 05:30:39 AM
Bought Level 10 last night . Halfway through and it sounds awesome!

Love the classic keyboard sound.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 19, 2015, 05:48:30 AM
That first trailer was put up in 2013!   :lol

They look cool though, although I was never really big into buying documentries on DVD.

Pretty common for this sort of doco to take years to get up - hopefully it'll end up on Youtube  ;D

The guys behind it also have a semi-regular radio show - some vids here that could be of interest (and going forward)


https://tradiov.com/la/videoscategory/insidemetal/
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Post by: bl5150 on February 19, 2015, 06:37:03 AM
I just completed my first listen to the new Scorps album and it's pretty disappointing overall.   It's not the easiest album to summarise as it's got 17 tracks  which , from what I understand ,are a combo of old leftovers redone and some new stuff written over the last few years.

It's certainly nothing like my favourite modern Scorps album , which is Humanity Hour 1.   The "rockers" (which is being generous to many of the harder tracks) are , in most cases, best described as "good time rock n roll" with very little edge/bite and at worst (Rock My Car) they're pretty lame with embarrassingly bad lyrics.  I don't normally take much notice of lyrics unless they're particularly good or bad and in this case it ain't the former.

Despite that we do have a couple of pretty decent rockers in there , but the real saviour in terms of my rating is the ballads which are in the ballpark of the usual standard.  Without them the rating would be much lower.   Also note (if checking out samples) that the second half is much stronger than the first IMHO.

I rate it 73%.    I'd be inclined to listen to as much as I can with samples etc...... and purchase a few favourite tracks in digital format.  As an album there's way too much filler.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 19, 2015, 07:07:25 AM
I think I will just stick with classic Scorpions
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Post by: Evermind on February 19, 2015, 08:08:08 AM
I think I will just stick with classic Scorpions

Yeah. I agree with Brent though, Humanity Hour-1 is pretty good. I spin it occasionally and always enjoy it.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 19, 2015, 08:20:48 AM
I'm kinda surprised that I didn't catch any more flack over the fact that I just listened to four of the most classic albums in the history of hard rock/metal for the first time in the last week.  :lol
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2015, 08:21:38 AM
I'm kinda surprised that I didn't catch any more flack over the fact that I just listened to four of the most classic albums in the history of hard rock/metal for the first time in the last week.  :lol

I'm actually a little disappointed. I don't even know who you are any more.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 19, 2015, 08:24:34 AM
Well, as noted, I gravitated to a select few artists in the beginning and stuck to that.  Then I opened up to more stuff and stuck to that.  I've always been very particular like that.  I find what I like and usually don't deviate much from it.  It's only in the last few years that I've decided I need to really stop doing that.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on February 19, 2015, 09:34:20 AM
So Level 10 is pretty cool.

I still need some convincing.

Having listened to the album a few times now, I am definitely getting the Whitesnake vibe somebody mentioned earlier.  It's sort of a Whitesnake meets Dio (and maybe a sprinkling of late '80s Ozzy) with modern, sinister heavy riffing and some nice background keys to give subtle atmosphere.  That's how I would describe the album as a whole.

Yeah, I mentioned the Whitensnake thing when Cry No More was released.  I still feel it has that vibe but a mix with Dio is very appropriate.  Great album too.

Yeah, I remember you saying that.  I didn't really hear it at first.  But listening to the whole album, I totally do.  I think Whitesnake/Dio is a good description, but as I said, also a smattering of Jake/early Zakk-era Ozzy in terms of some of the guitar riffing.

I just completed my first listen to the new Scorps album and it's pretty disappointing overall.   It's not the easiest album to summarise as it's got 17 tracks  which , from what I understand ,are a combo of old leftovers redone and some new stuff written over the last few years.

It's certainly nothing like my favourite modern Scorps album , which is Humanity Hour 1.   

I used to be WAY into them in the '80s, but my enthusiasm has cooled off substantially.  But funny you should mention Humanity Hour 1.  I was just listening to it again recently and am still blown away by how good it is.  I pared my Scorps collection way down, and I consider it to be perfect with only the following:  Blackout, Love At First Sting, World Wide Live, Face the Heat, Live Bites, and Humanity Hour 1.  Those have pretty much all the songs I really like from them, with the two live disks filling in some of the older classics (I also have one of the dozen or so "hits" collections for that as well).  I just find that I don't need anything else to get my Scorpions fix.
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Post by: TAC on February 19, 2015, 12:46:29 PM
I'm kinda surprised that I didn't catch any more flack over the fact that I just listened to four of the most classic albums in the history of hard rock/metal for the first time in the last week.  :lol
Raised my eyebrows but why go there....

Humanity is awesome. The only decent thing they've done in 25 years.

Bosk, give Lovedrive a try.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 19, 2015, 12:56:41 PM
Oh, I have.  It's not a bad album by any stretch.  But the live albums (and the hits package I have) give me every single song except Always Somewhere, which I can do without.  And, honestly, I like the live versions better than the studio versions.
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Post by: wolfking on February 19, 2015, 01:12:54 PM
I'm not a big Scorpions fan, but Humanity is bloody awesome.
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Post by: TAC on February 19, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
Oh, I have.  It's not a bad album by any stretch.  But the live albums (and the hits package I have) give me every single song except Always Somewhere, which I can do without.  And, honestly, I like the live versions better than the studio versions.
Yeah that makes sense. 
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Post by: bosk1 on February 19, 2015, 02:15:22 PM
Hard to believe that entire album is only 37 minutes long.  And it is really solid from start to finish.  Even Always Somewhere isn't bad (although its existence is completely unnecessary, since we have Fade To Black).

And going back to Humanity for a second, I really have to give Desmond Child props for his songwriting skills.  He may not have been able to save You Not Me, but in looking at his track record, including basically all of Humanity, the guy has written MORE than his fair share of outstanding songs.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on February 19, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
This discussion needs this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoI7deS76Ck
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Post by: bl5150 on February 19, 2015, 09:39:52 PM
This discussion needs this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoI7deS76Ck

Some really nice playing in that song...........the fashion and stage moves.............not so much  ;D

(https://www.stomptokyo.com/reelopinions/images/Borat%204.jpg)



I've been listening to a lot of new releases the last few weeks and also quite a bit of roulette related stuff.   Next week I intend to get started on the (long) process of rating and getting together all the best albums of 1987.

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Post by: jjrock88 on February 19, 2015, 11:59:37 PM
Gunners and Whitesnake are early predictions to top your 87 list
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 20, 2015, 12:09:15 AM
Gunners and Whitesnake are early predictions to top your 87 list

These would be the correct answers.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on February 23, 2015, 06:26:26 PM
So I bought my first three 2015 albums while on vacation last week: Serious Black, Level 10, and Shadowquest.

I must say that my second spin of Serious Black was 10 times better than the first one!!
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Post by: wolfking on February 23, 2015, 08:34:18 PM
Yeah, Serious Black is really good IMO.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 23, 2015, 08:48:09 PM
I was watching a Harry Potter movie with my son the other day........never seen any of them before........and I was half watching , half snoozing and guess what shocked me out of my slumber?   Serious Black  :lol     Turns out the dude's name is Sirius Black but hey - close enough.   ;D

Those music antennae never switch off.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 24, 2015, 01:29:51 AM
I wouldn't care if there was even a cameo from Rob Halford and Bruce Dickinson, no way would I watch a second of Harry Potter lol
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Post by: bl5150 on February 24, 2015, 01:32:10 AM
 :lol  hence the snoozing.   As far as stuff for 7 year olds goes it's above average  ;)
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Post by: Kotowboy on February 24, 2015, 03:11:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR35pRz7JQ8

New The Darkness single " Barbarian ".
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Post by: Kotowboy on February 24, 2015, 03:16:26 AM
Chris Holmes' latest vid............I rate this 99%.........not  :lol    They should get him to do some stuff for Frontiers - at least it'd be sorta interesting  :angel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTIWzgExzAA

:lol Not as bad as the last video with the electric drumkit and the green sheet not doing anything and the exercise equipment in shot....
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Post by: TAC on February 24, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
I was watching a Harry Potter movie with my son the other day........never seen any of them before........and I was half watching , half snoozing and guess what shocked me out of my slumber?   Serious Black  :lol     Turns out the dude's name is Sirius Black but hey - close enough.   ;D
Woah! You serious? ;D
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 24, 2015, 01:05:45 PM
By the way, I touched base with Chad. All good with him; he will make his highly anticipated return at some point. Unknown timeframe
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Post by: wolfking on February 24, 2015, 01:58:42 PM
By the way, I touched base with Chad. All good with him; he will make his highly anticipated return at some point. Unknown timeframe

That's good news.
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Post by: TAC on February 24, 2015, 03:40:45 PM
By the way, I touched base with Chad. All good with him; he will make his highly anticipated return at some point. Unknown timeframe

That's good news.

That IS good news.

I was thinking of him last week while we were at EPCOT outside the Star Tours ride.
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Post by: Podaar on February 24, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
By the way, I touched base with Chad. All good with him; he will make his highly anticipated return at some point. Unknown timeframe

That's good news.

That IS good news.

I was thinking of him last week while we were at EPCOT outside the Star Tours ride.

Fantastic news. I've been resisting sending him a PM like an Motha :censored. If anyone speaks with him, give him my best.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 24, 2015, 06:43:51 PM
He is all good, just tied up with a few things. I guess some things in life are more important then DTF. Hard to believe lol
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Post by: wolfking on February 24, 2015, 08:13:17 PM
He is all good, just tied up with a few things. I guess some things in life are more important then DTF. Hard to believe lol

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--pogYQddC--/672513710607072805.jpg)
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Post by: Lowdz on February 25, 2015, 01:18:45 AM
He sent me a birthday message on Facebook a couple of weeks ago so I knew he was fine. Miss the old man.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 25, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
He actually popped in here for a while and started a birthday thread for you Paul - which presumably you missed.

 I've checked in via email myself a couple of weeks back , just to make sure old age hadn't claimed him  ;D   In actual fact (as I related to Chad) I first checked that his last.fm was still active (which it was)........if he'd stopped listening to music then I knew there must be a troubling imbalance in the force.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 25, 2015, 04:57:39 AM
Where do I sign up?

https://www.odditycentral.com/tag/roger-tullgren



Old article but still a bit of a legend :D

 
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 25, 2015, 07:19:04 AM
Wow! I think I'll start skipping work today lol
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Post by: Lowdz on February 25, 2015, 08:09:08 AM
He actually popped in here for a while and started a birthday thread for you Paul - which presumably you missed.

 I've checked in via email myself a couple of weeks back , just to make sure old age hadn't claimed him  ;D   In actual fact (as I related to Chad) I first checked that his last.fm was still active (which it was)........if he'd stopped listening to music then I knew there must be a troubling imbalance in the force.

Whoops yup, missed that. Aww, feeling loved  :heart
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 25, 2015, 08:14:07 AM
New Whitesnake studio album is just re-records of his old material. :tdwn Poop.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 25, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
New Whitesnake studio album is just re-records of his old material. :tdwn Poop.

Were we under any illusion that Coverdale could serviceably sing any new material?  ???
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 25, 2015, 09:07:25 AM
New Whitesnake studio album is just re-records of his old material. :tdwn Poop.

Were we under any illusion that Coverdale could serviceably sing any new material?  ???

Given his performance on the other recent studio albums, I'd have absolutely no reason to doubt his ability to sing new material. Singing new material would be more suited to him anyway, since it can be written to his current vocal range. Your question makes no sense.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 25, 2015, 09:11:01 AM
It makes perfect sense.  If they are merely re-records where they are using old vocals from a time when he could actually sing, it will sound better than if he is trying to croak out vocals now.  Not sure what doesn't make sense about that.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 25, 2015, 09:12:08 AM
What are you on about? They're re-records. Who said anything about old vocals?
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Post by: Lowdz on February 25, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
If only they had used the old vocals. These are terrible. And covered in layers of people who can sing now. Coverdale's voice died years ago. It was awesome whilst it lasted though.
Its a pretty crap cover all told tbh. Solo's shit too - I expect better  of Reb - wahwah all over it - usually a sign there's not much interesting going on. Lots of keyboard whooshy sounds. Not much to recommend this.

Just listen to the awesome original.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 25, 2015, 11:25:55 AM
If only they had used the old vocals. These are terrible. And covered in layers of people who can sing now. 
Really?  I just assumed they would use an old vocal track, because:
If only they had used the old vocals. These are terrible. And covered in layers of people who can sing now. Coverdale's voice died years ago.

That is disappointing.
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Post by: Deathless on February 25, 2015, 12:54:28 PM
I was wondering how they managed to do a record so quickly, because Coverdale seemed like he didn't want to write a full-length. I assume doing a re-record of covers is easier.
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Post by: TAC on February 25, 2015, 12:56:05 PM
Whitesnake....,Yawn!

Seriously.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 25, 2015, 05:03:43 PM
Whitesnake....,Yawn!

Seriously.

?  Don't like them?
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Post by: bl5150 on February 25, 2015, 05:07:46 PM
If only they had used the old vocals. These are terrible. And covered in layers of people who can sing now. Coverdale's voice died years ago. It was awesome whilst it lasted though.
Its a pretty crap cover all told tbh.

This.    The biggest achievement here from Cov is looking older than Tommy Aldridge and that's tough to do  ;D.   This is possibly the finish for Whitesnake as he's clearly struggling even in a studio environment now.

I think Joel should've stuck with Night Ranger.
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Post by: Deathless on February 25, 2015, 06:35:05 PM
If only they had used the old vocals. These are terrible. And covered in layers of people who can sing now. Coverdale's voice died years ago. It was awesome whilst it lasted though.
Its a pretty crap cover all told tbh.

This.    The biggest achievement here from Cov is looking older than Tommy Aldridge and that's tough to do.   This is possibly the finish for Whitesnake as he's clearly struggling even in a studio environment now.

I think Joel should've stuck with Night Ranger.

It's tough. I'm sure WS is a better pay-day over Night Ranger, and how much longer does Night Ranger have? I know they released a new album that year, but they basically just do the summer circuit every year. I believe Joel still plays with TSO, right? He can stay busy year around now.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 25, 2015, 06:40:16 PM
I'm sure WS is a better pay-day over Night Ranger, and how much longer does Night Ranger have?

That's what I was getting at. Short term pay day and zero publishing vs (IMO) a much longer term writing and touring prospect with Night Ranger albeit to smaller crowds.   Those guys seem determined to go on for some time yet and have the vocal chops to do it.   And Reb seems to have finally taken over main guitarist duties in Whitesnake - which he deserves.

I dunno.........I think creatively and as a long term band Night Ranger is the better option.   Of course a short term pay day with Whitsnake and then onto something else (incl TSO) is likely where he's at.

I'm not really rapt with what either band are doing .   Whitesnake are really just a touring band now with Cov shrieking over background singers taking most of the weight and Night Ranger are a little too "happy" for my taste these days  :lol
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Post by: bl5150 on February 25, 2015, 09:06:58 PM
Plenty for me to like in there.............

The official line-up for the 2015 MONSTERS OF ROCK CRUISE is as follows:

Tesla; Europe; Night Ranger; Tom Keifer of Cinderella; Extreme; KIX; Queensryche; Krokus; The Winery Dogs; Stryper; Lita Ford; Black Star Riders; Y&T; Zebra; Black ’N Blue; Faster Pussycat; Honeymoon Suite; Tyketto; Keel; John Corabi; Kip Winger; Michael Sweet; Richie Kotzen; Mike Tramp; Joel Hoekstra; Derek St. Holmes; Ron Keel; Leatherwolf; Babylon AD; Bang Tango; Heavens Edge; Frank Hannon Band; Lillian Axe; Rhino Bucket; Pamela Moore; Gabbie Rae; Atomic Punks; and AJ’s Bravehearts.
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Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2015, 04:32:56 AM
Just discovered this Whitesnake news, seriously, WTF?!

This cover is so dull, lifeless, plodding and boring, with very poor vocals.  And Reb's solo is average at best.  I never thought I'd say that.  What a joke of a release.

Jorn's version is decent, it's much better for a current version of the song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVtljOiVILs
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 26, 2015, 04:46:22 AM
I quite like Jorn's version, terrible modern production aside. If Jorn's original stuff was half as good, I'd actually like it. I didn't mind the new Whitesnake version overall, but Coverdale is finally showing his age in the studio, and it's too processed. Had they just gone out with Forevermore, it would have been a perfect end.
Nothing will top the original Purple version.
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Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2015, 04:55:39 AM
Even though Coverdale's voice is all but gone, this is more reason to do some new original material.  Write around what he can do.  Don't reproduce something that's obviously going to show many, many flaws.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 26, 2015, 05:40:37 AM
Yeah, that's what I said earlier too. Original material would allow him to write to his current range and style.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2015, 10:46:41 AM
Plenty for me to like in there.............

The official line-up for the 2015 MONSTERS OF ROCK CRUISE is as follows:

Tesla; Europe; Night Ranger; Tom Keifer of Cinderella; Extreme; KIX; Queensryche; Krokus; The Winery Dogs; Stryper; Lita Ford; Black Star Riders; Y&T; Zebra; Black ’N Blue; Faster Pussycat; Honeymoon Suite; Tyketto; Keel; John Corabi; Kip Winger; Michael Sweet; Richie Kotzen; Mike Tramp; Joel Hoekstra; Derek St. Holmes; Ron Keel; Leatherwolf; Babylon AD; Bang Tango; Heavens Edge; Frank Hannon Band; Lillian Axe; Rhino Bucket; Pamela Moore; Gabbie Rae; Atomic Punks; and AJ’s Bravehearts.

Wow.  REALLY strong lineup.  There are a bunch of bands I would see if I were going. 
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 26, 2015, 03:05:40 PM
There are a few bands I've never heard of (gabbie Rae, Joel hoekstra, frank hannon, ajs brave hearts)

But overall, excellent line up!!
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Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2015, 03:16:36 PM
Frank Hannon is one of the guitarists from Tesla.  He has had a solo band for a long time, but they are pretty low-profile. 

Hoekstra has been the guitarist for Night Ranger and Whitesnake. 

Never heard of Gabbie Rae before.  Apparently, she is a young pop rock musician, and she is getting gigs with a lot of classic metal bands.   Not bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EDsCuUWdTk

EDIT:  Interesting and kinda cool covers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9H65GFpdww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-lxA13Eo1I
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Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2015, 03:36:09 PM
Yeah, that's what I said earlier too. Original material would allow him to write to his current range and style.

Sort of missed the conversation on the last page due to my rage at the time.  :lol
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Post by: TAC on February 26, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
Honestly the lineup to the MOR Cruise looks like the 80's threw up on itself.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2015, 04:04:46 PM
Honestly the lineup to the MOR Cruise looks like the 80's threw up on itself.

And that's a bad thing?
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Post by: bl5150 on February 26, 2015, 04:12:01 PM
Honestly the lineup to the MOR Cruise looks like the 80's threw up on itself.

Awesome,isn't it?  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on February 26, 2015, 04:37:43 PM
Honestly the lineup to the MOR Cruise looks like the 80's threw up on itself.

And that's a bad thing?

Yes..

Honestly the lineup to the MOR Cruise looks like the 80's threw up on itself.

Awesome,isn't it?  ;D

...and No. ;D
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Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2015, 04:55:02 PM
It's...it's almost like you are speaking English, Tim.  But the words just don't make sense.
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Post by: TAC on February 26, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
East Coast, baby!

Gotta go pahk tha cah!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on February 26, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
Tim is turning heel on us!!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on February 28, 2015, 06:11:03 PM
Evil Invaders  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhgwRBb48VI


This is a new release believe it or not ..............not something I would bother with very often ,  but for anyone who was enjoying (or tolerating in my case )  speed metal in the mid-late 80's with the psychotic high pitched vocals you might get a grin on your face listening to this.   I found it pretty entertaining in terms of the retro vibe ,if nothing else.  ;D  :metal
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Post by: TAC on February 28, 2015, 06:46:20 PM
A grin on my face? No kidding. I was cracking up. :lol

I MUST get this album.
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Post by: bl5150 on February 28, 2015, 06:54:17 PM
 ;D   Best line in the song of course is (cue crazy metal vocal)  "Fuck off!!   Fuck off this bullshit! "  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on February 28, 2015, 06:57:03 PM
;D   Best line in the song of course is (cue crazy metal vocal)  "Fuck off!!   Fuck off this bullshit! "  :lol
Yes, caught that!

The music put me in a time machine. It was cool. I'd like to check out another track first, But I may get this.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 28, 2015, 07:32:24 PM
I wonder if they have any ballads
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Post by: bl5150 on February 28, 2015, 07:38:38 PM
I wonder if they have any ballads

They do...........it's called Fuck Off (Radio Edit)  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on February 28, 2015, 07:57:11 PM
They actually remind me of Agent Steel. Remember them?
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Post by: bl5150 on February 28, 2015, 07:57:35 PM
They actually remind me of Agent Steel. Remember them?

Yeah........crossed my mind too.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on March 01, 2015, 04:07:41 AM
Evil Invaders  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhgwRBb48VI


This is a new release believe it or not ..............not something I would bother with very often ,  but for anyone who was enjoying (or tolerating in my case )  speed metal in the mid-late 80's with the psychotic high pitched vocals you might get a grin on your face listening to this.   I found it pretty entertaining in terms of the retro vibe ,if nothing else.  ;D  :metal

This isn't bad at all.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 01, 2015, 01:18:51 PM
Bravewords gave it an 8.5!
https://bravewords.com/reviews/evil-invaders-pules-of-pleasure
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on March 02, 2015, 04:13:26 AM
Bravewords reviews are always pretty credible.
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Post by: TAC on March 02, 2015, 12:09:03 PM
Bravewords reviews are always pretty credible.
Yeah, for the most part.

I visit 3 music sites daily:
DTF
Bravewords
Dime
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 02, 2015, 12:36:50 PM
I pretty much just visit DTF and the blabbermouth.

Bravewords is a good site too
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 03, 2015, 02:10:23 PM
I'm disturbed by the lack of Europe in this very thread!  :angry:

Europe - Days Of Rock And Roll [New song 2015] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u12ZfBmNymc)

A group that imo is a solid example of "aged with dignity". Seen them 3 times and they always put out a solid show with top notch sound.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on March 03, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
decent tune
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 03, 2015, 02:23:13 PM
I'm disturbed by the lack of Europe in this very thread!  :angry:

That's cuz they belong in this thread.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=29408.2975
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 03, 2015, 02:44:08 PM
I'm disturbed by the lack of Europe in this very thread!  :angry:

That's cuz they belong in this thread.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=29408.2975
Oh sry  :facepalm:  :blush

Nevermind then  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 03, 2015, 02:54:43 PM
I should have followed my post with a  ;D.

Didn't mean to come off like an ass.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 03, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
No man you didn't come off like an ass!  :)
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Post by: wolfking on March 03, 2015, 03:52:54 PM
No man you didn't come off like an ass!  :)

Yeah, he sorta did.  ;D

jk.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 03, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 03, 2015, 04:04:25 PM
Ok you did come off like an...

(https://www.veganpeace.com/animal_facts/images/donkey1.jpg)

....shame on you!

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 03, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
People that know me know that Dream Theater and Iron Maiden are 1A and 1B for me. Well 1C is UFO. Been a lifelong fan.

So, I just had my first listen to UFO's A Conspiracy Of Stars.

I REALLY like it. Very solid from front to back. Tracks 7 & 8 were a slight dip, but the rest of it is pretty strong. This is the 5th album of the Vinnie Moore era. So far, I found the most consistent album has been The Visitor. This album reminds me of that. Such an improvement over Seven Deadly.
This, to me, is Vinnie's strongest album with the group. He was very active on You Are Here, and this reminds me of that a little. He really steps up. Some of his best UFO solos are present.

And it is always a treat hearing Phil Mogg's voice on new music. This guy is an absolute gift. I know he's never mentioned with all the greats, but that's what makes him even more special. Just so genuine.

Vinnie Era UFO has basically evolved into some laid back rock. No surprises here. But I believe they recorded this together, and it sounds that way. I am very happy.
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Post by: wolfking on March 03, 2015, 04:39:00 PM
Good to hear this about UFO.  I've been following them since Vinnie joined and the albums have been hit or miss.  I'll probably pick this one up now.
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Post by: bl5150 on March 03, 2015, 04:40:23 PM
People that know me know that Dream Theater and Iron Maiden are 1A and 1B for me. Well 1C is UFO. Been a lifelong fan.

So, I just had my first listen to UFO's A Conspiracy Of Stars.

I REALLY like it. Very solid from front to back. Tracks 7 & 8 were a slight dip, but the rest of it is pretty strong. This is the 5th album of the Vinnie Moore era. So far, I found the most consistent album has been The Visitor. This album reminds me of that. Such an improvement over Seven Deadly.
This, to me, is Vinnie's strongest album with the group. He was very active on You Are Here, and this reminds me of that a little. He really steps up. Some of his best UFO solos are present.

And it is always a treat hearing Phil Mogg's voice on new music. This guy is an absolute gift. I know he's never mentioned with all the greats, but that's what makes him even more special. Just so genuine.

Vinnie Era UFO has basically evolved into some laid back rock. No surprises here. But I believe they recorded this together, and it sounds that way. I am very happy.

Interesting........I have the UFO but didn't get around to a proper listen.   A lot of fan reviews are saying Mogg's voice is totally shot , which I'm sure you'd be calling out if that was the case.  I think perhaps it's more a case of him sticking to a range that he can handle.

Will try and give it a listen today.
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Post by: TAC on March 03, 2015, 04:50:25 PM
I don't think it's shot. I haven't been a fan of how it's been recorded recently though. I think that technology has taken some warmth out of his voice. But even if he has lost range, his voice is total comfort for me.
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Post by: TAC on March 03, 2015, 05:01:32 PM
I've been following them since Vinnie joined and the albums have been hit or miss.   

You Are Here..Half is great, half is not
The Monkey Puzzle..Same, half is great, half is not
The Visitor...The most solid, though its best are not on par with the best from You Are Here or TMP
Seven Deadly..the worst so far
A Conspiracy Of Stars...Just about on par with The Visitor

IMO, of course.
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 03, 2015, 06:18:48 PM
What would you rank as the quentisential UFO.

I have Strangers and a Best of
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Post by: bl5150 on March 03, 2015, 06:23:12 PM
If you live in the US and want an instant metal collection...........

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Over-400-Metal-Rock-Catalog-Many-Out-Of-Print-And-Rare-Savatage-Slayer-/221705741630?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:AU:3160
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Post by: wolfking on March 04, 2015, 04:41:35 AM
If you live in the US and want an instant metal collection...........

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Over-400-Metal-Rock-Catalog-Many-Out-Of-Print-And-Rare-Savatage-Slayer-/221705741630?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:AU:3160

Wow, incredible starting price.  No bids, really?
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 04, 2015, 05:17:02 AM
Well I just got through my first listen of the new UFO and it does very little for me.   Take that in the context of my being a very casual UFO fan.  They have a couple of albums I really like but for the most part I've never been a big fan aside from a track or two off each album - in terms of Schenker stuff I much prefer his MSG output.

One thing that has become a bit clearer (having read a swag of new reviews on the album) is that diehard UFO fans almost universally love it.   So if you're a big fan.........it's probably an auto purchase.

For me though it's missing the two elements I like in my music - big melodies and/or some fire/balls.....preferably both.   It's  typical of the sort of bluesy/plodding 70's rock that I've never liked much and the sort of vibe Europe are trying to get these days.......at least Mogg has a voice better suited to it than Joey Tempest.   As far as the vocals go - I'll cut the guy some slack............for a 66 year old it's a very solid performance but it is very monotone/range free stuff that's not unlike Ian Gillan since he lost his range.   I don't like much modern DP either - the difference here is that I do prefer Vinnie Moore to Steve Morse.  And Moore's playing does save a few songs for me - he seems to have imposed himself on the music a bit more here and it helps.  There's a couple of ripping solos.

I will say that the Chris Tsangirides production is a big step up from other recent efforts-it's a very good sounding album.    But of the 11 songs (including a pretty decent bonus track) I rated 4 that I might want to listen to again and nothing got 5 stars. 

So my rating is around 69% which isn't terrible by any means but it's really just not my style of music .

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 04, 2015, 05:43:47 AM
By the way - I was down at my local pub tonight and got a surprise to see an upcoming gig there by Uriah Heep.   You could probably count the number of people in the local area who know of them on one hand I reckon  :D   
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 05:55:33 AM
I'm on my iPhone so I'll respond to those UFO comments when I get home.  :omg:

The last three Uriah Heep albums have been really solid.
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Post by: bl5150 on March 04, 2015, 05:58:46 AM
I'm on my iPhone so I'll respond to those UFO comments when I get home.  :omg:

The last three Uriah Heep albums have been really solid.

 :lol   Knew I'd be in trouble.
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Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 06:49:38 AM
What would you rank as the quentisential UFO.

I have Strangers and a Best of
Strangers culls its tracks from the 5 70's Schenker albums:
Phenomenon '74
Force It '75
No Heavy Petting '76
Lights Out '77
Obsession '78

JJ, Obsession is probably the heaviest of the bunch, with Schenker ripping all over it. I think you'd like that a lot. Force It probably has the strongest material, but my personal favorite is NHP, which contains Schenker's finest playing.

The Wild The Willing And The Innocent (1981) is the 2nd of the 4 Paul Chapman albums and is a masterpiece.

Walk On Water, the 1993 Reunion album of the Strangers lineup is also a must have.
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Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 06:57:29 AM
Well I just got through my first listen of the new UFO and it does very little for me.   Take that in the context of my being a very casual UFO fan.  They have a couple of albums I really like but for the most part I've never been a big fan aside from a track or two off each album - in terms of Schenker stuff I much prefer his MSG output.

One thing that has become a bit clearer (having read a swag of new reviews on the album) is that diehard UFO fans almost universally love it.   So if you're a big fan.........it's probably an auto purchase.

For me though it's missing the two elements I like in my music - big melodies and/or some fire/balls.....preferably both.   It's  typical of the sort of bluesy/plodding 70's rock that I've never liked much and the sort of vibe Europe are trying to get these days.......at least Mogg has a voice better suited to it than Joey Tempest.   As far as the vocals go - I'll cut the guy some slack............for a 66 year old it's a very solid performance but it is very monotone/range free stuff that's not unlike Ian Gillan since he lost his range.   I don't like much modern DP either - the difference here is that I do prefer Vinnie Moore to Steve Morse.  And Moore's playing does save a few songs for me - he seems to have imposed himself on the music a bit more here and it helps.  There's a couple of ripping solos.

I will say that the Chris Tsangirides production is a big step up from other recent efforts-it's a very good sounding album.    But of the 11 songs (including a pretty decent bonus track) I rated 4 that I might want to listen to again and nothing got 5 stars. 

So my rating is around 69% which isn't terrible by any means but it's really just not my style of music .

If I'm being completely honest, Brent, there's a lot of truth in your post.

I'm a lifelong UFO fan and they've always been a favorite band of mine. Just hearing Phil Mogg's voice transports me to being a 15 year old kid again, so I'm not all that objective.

Vinnie era UFO, in all honesty has been a huge disappointment. I thought they had great energy on You Are Here, but I realize a lot of that had to do with Jason Bonham, similar to how Russel Gilbrook has driven recent Uriah Heep. He's made a huge difference.  Andy Parker's drumming is purely pedestrian at this point.
UFO has settled into this almost Rolling Stones-ish vibe under Vinnie.

The bar, unfortunately is set pretty low at this point. I'm halfway through my second listen, and I still say I really like this, but your Deep Purple analogy is actually a great one. I think you really have to be a strong DP fan to get into their recent output. I just cannot make it through one of their albums.

UFO's last album was terrible. That sucks. This album is a huge step up. All this coming from a huge UFO fan.

One point I will disagree with though is that Schenker's work in MSG has never approached anything he did on those classic UFO albums.
He has some nice work on the early MSG albums, but for the most part, he's hasn't really done anything special in a very long time. Now Bridge The Gap is the best band oriented thing he's done in MSG since Save Yourself, but other than Adventures Of The Imagination, everything he's done has been pretty forgettable. That is until Bridge The Gap which is incredible. Also Doogie White's best performance. Can't wait for their new album in a couple weeks!
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Post by: bl5150 on March 04, 2015, 07:10:00 AM
The oldest UFO albums I have are Obsession and Strangers (loved a couple of tracks on both but wasn't fussed on most) ..........so perhaps I need to go back and check out some of the deeper cuts that aren't on Strangers.

 It's almost a given though that the further back into the 70's I go the less I tend to like  ;D  Although my No 1 all time album is from 1978 (but sounds totally different to most 70's albums)  I just don't seem to connect with much released pre 1980 outside of maybe half a dozen bands.   It may well be that Schenker's playing is better in that era but chances are I will like the 80's songs better.

I will go back and check out some of that stuff though.  I may be pleasantly surprised.

Take this for what it is (one person's opinion) but someone I know who has an advance copy of Spirit On A Mission says it blows away Bridging The Gap.
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Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 07:33:58 AM
Take this for what it is (one person's opinion) but someone I know who has an advance copy of Spirit On A Mission says it blows away Bridging The Gap.

That's good to hear. Vigilante Man didn't really do anything for me, but I have very high hopes for this album!

The early UFO albums are really great. Not sure you'd like Phenomenon, because other than Rock Bottom, it's kind of mellow in a early 70's way. But thinks really started to pick up with Force It.

UFO could be highly inconsistent. There is a lot of competition out there for one's ears. I get that.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on March 16, 2015, 04:35:01 AM
New Pyramaze in May.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1G4V6ztfDNM

Sounds good.
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Post by: bl5150 on March 16, 2015, 05:29:05 AM
New Pyramaze in May.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1G4V6ztfDNM

Sounds good.

It does sound promising - it's a shame they didn't manage to get their shit together while Urban Breed was in the fold though.
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Post by: LudwigVan on March 16, 2015, 01:43:46 PM
Take this for what it is (one person's opinion) but someone I know who has an advance copy of Spirit On A Mission says it blows away Bridging The Gap.

That's good to hear. Vigilante Man didn't really do anything for me, but I have very high hopes for this album!

The early UFO albums are really great. Not sure you'd like Phenomenon, because other than Rock Bottom, it's kind of mellow in a early 70's way. But thinks really started to pick up with Force It.

UFO could be highly inconsistent. There is a lot of competition out there for one's ears. I get that.

I'll throw my 2 cents in with Force It being my favorite UFO album.

Probably followed by Lights Out, then
No Heavy Petting close on its heels.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 16, 2015, 02:19:40 PM
To me, the five classic Schenker era albums are all must haves!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 18, 2015, 11:48:20 PM
The guy singing this is the new singer for Red Dragon Cartel  :-\

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ARDVpi_n0
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on March 19, 2015, 12:11:16 AM
That Smith singer didn't impress me live; I never heard the full studio album. Seems like it got mixed reviews.

Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 19, 2015, 12:17:30 AM
That Smith singer didn't impress me live; I never heard the full studio album. Seems like it got mixed reviews.

I never really bothered to come back to it after the first couple of listens.  Smith was a great drummer/backing singer in Harem Scarem and did great on the odd lead vocal but he's not full time lead singer material.   This new guy that Jake has hired in the 5 minutes after Smith left doesn't inspire me either.  Jake has enough pull to get someone decent - I wish he would. And he needs someone decent to pull off RDC, Badlands and Ozzy stuff live.    Zander actually sounded good on the track he did on the debut album but if he featured across a whole album I'm sure the touring side of things wouldn't work and I can't really imagine him singing Hard Driver or Bark At The Moon  ;D. 
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on March 19, 2015, 12:31:04 AM
Was Smith fired?

And you're right, Lee could definitely get a bigger name who fits singing those songs
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 19, 2015, 05:25:43 AM
The guy singing this is the new singer for Red Dragon Cartel  :-\

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ARDVpi_n0
So he went from a dude from Harem Scarem to a dude from Scary Hairy?? :lol

The song or two that I heard from RDC, I thought the vocals were terrible. I like the new guy a lot more.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on March 19, 2015, 05:29:30 AM
I didn't even give that album a listen.  The tracks that were released as videos I thought were pretty shit unfortunately.
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Post by: wolfking on March 19, 2015, 05:58:28 AM
New TMac coming in April.  Already pre-ordered my copy;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq2f9j4KIs8
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 21, 2015, 07:24:15 AM
RIP AJ Pero ............passed away at 55  :-\
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on March 21, 2015, 08:22:21 AM
very sad news......RIP
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 22, 2015, 06:48:07 AM
Was Smith fired?

And you're right, Lee could definitely get a bigger name who fits singing those songs


Darren had this to say about the move: "IT IS TRUE I LEFT RDC, KINDA COMPLICATED BUT I THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. ONE DAY ILL COMMENT MORE, FOR NOW "THATS ALL FOLKS!!!"

Sounds like he got sacked  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: Evermind on March 22, 2015, 06:49:31 AM
Was Smith fired?

And you're right, Lee could definitely get a bigger name who fits singing those songs


Darren had this to say about the move: "IT IS TRUE I LEFT RDC, KINDA COMPLICATED BUT I THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. ONE DAY ILL COMMENT MORE, FOR NOW "THATS ALL FOLKS!!!"

Sounds like he got sacked  :lol

Shit, that got me laughing alright. :lol
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Post by: bl5150 on March 22, 2015, 09:11:04 AM
Back from holidays now and it'll take a week or two to get on top of things , but hopefully I can get our lists back on track with some work on 1987.   It's probably my first real holiday from work and music in 20 years and now that I've returned I'm realising just how much work I put into keeping up with music and related correspondence that I get sent .  It might just be checking out sound/reviews of 4-5 albums a day but over 2 weeks it's built up into a hell of a pile.  TAC will be glad to know that I have the new Schenker album sitting here , so I'll try and get some thoughts out on that shortly.

I've never posted photos/personal stuff on DTF and this isn't really the thread, but it's where all the cool kids hang out so what the hell  ;D    I thought for some laughs I'd update you on my little fella Ben and his Jedi Metal Master training - he has just progressed through the latest level with flying colors and the force is strong in him as you can see.   He is also a Monopoly addict , but now insists on KISSopoly  :metal  .  Click to enlarge if reqd.

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For those of you who are fashionistas you're no doubt wondering "Who are you wearing?".  Well my board shorts are by Quicksilver and my t-shirt is a joint effort by David Lee Roth and Jack Daniels   :lol


The good news from my point of view is that I'm finally getting around unaided (still with plenty of discomfort) and got myself into decent physical shape over the last few weeks after the best part of a year on my ass....back to a lean 95kg.   It's been hard work and this holiday was in an area with plenty of hills ,so I've walked myself into the ground , worked out a lot and tested myself out in the surf on my first visit to the beach in a year.  I won't say it was a great success but it was nice to get out there again.   Now we'll see if I can recover financially ,which will be much harder.  :-[

Oh......got myself some KISS tickets while away.  Good seats etc...  I had pretty much decided not to bother again and have missed the last couple of tours - they're my most seen band (6 or 7 times) and Paul hasn't been in great shape vocally of late , but I couldn't resist seeing this Spider stage that's visiting OZ for the first time and it's just such an event seeing half of Melbourne in KISS make up on the night.  I've missed that experience and may not get the chance again.  They'll easily sell out Rod Laver Arena (centre court for the Australian Open Tennis) which I imagine will be 10-12,000 people and they likely could do a 2nd gig there if they wanted.


Anyway.......lost of stuff to catch up on.   :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 22, 2015, 09:16:59 AM
Good to hear you're feeling better!!

And it sounds like the Benster is turning into a solid rocker
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Post by: TAC on March 22, 2015, 09:30:50 AM
  I've never posted photos/personal stuff on DTF and this isn't really the thread, but it's where all the cool kids hang out so what the hell  ;D   
Yes, it is definitely the "cool" thread!


I'm getting the MSG on Tuesday, but likely buying the mp3's as Amazon is listing the album at $30 compared to $9 for the DL. Judging on your ratings for the new UFO, not sure if I want to read what you have to say about the MSG. ;D


Also, where are those pics taken?? I always assume there's salt water crocs waiting around.
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Post by: Lowdz on March 22, 2015, 01:41:35 PM
Good to hear you're feeling better!!

And it sounds like the Benster is turning into a solid rocker

Yeah, seconded.
My kids were singing along to Night Ranger today in the car. Well, the sun was out and it was an unseasonally nice day here in the north of England so some of the "good weather" music came out. NR, Survivor, Van Halen (the kids loved Jump!), and BJ's New Jersey.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 22, 2015, 05:09:13 PM
Thanks guys...........as far as where the photos were taken Tim - it was south east Queensland (Sunshine Coast).  It was always my favourite holiday spot but unfortunately these days it carries mixed feelings for me  as (very long story short) a project I got involved in there with some less than honorable partners a number of years back has turned me from a retired 35 yo into a struggling 40 yo and that's before the leg.  Anyway  ::)

You can draw a line across the northernmost  10-15% of Australia and that's saltwater croc country - so I wasn't that far  north.  There's not too much to worry about in Noosa from the wildlife - plenty of scary looking lizards/goannas and so forth but they're not looking to do you harm.  I saw my first koala in the wild on this trip and got some nice photos of him too.  :)
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Post by: bl5150 on March 22, 2015, 08:33:26 PM
I'm through my first listen to Schenker's newie and it's much more my cup of tea than the UFO.   It does have the odd plodder (Brent tunes out) but for the most part it's a nice combination of bands like MSG , UFO, Thin Lizzy  etc.....one track has a distinct Rainbow vibe too.  I seem to be saying this a lot lately but it's 3 or 4 tracks too long.  If they'd stopped at track 8 my rating would be somewhere close to 90%.  As it is though tracks 9 through 11 are IMHO filler and the final track sorta gets things back on track a bit.

On the whole though it's a nicely rocking record that has more balls and inspiration in its little finger than the UFO had.  Speaking of inspiration Doogie's aping of Glenn Hughes on the second track was just a bit too obvious.  :lol

On the whole : 82% and that could grow a bit with time ,if anything.  I'm sure most here will at least like a few tracks on it.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2015, 05:38:52 AM
Thanks guys...........as far as where the photos were taken Tim - it was south east Queensland (Sunshine Coast).  It was always my favourite holiday spot but unfortunately these days it carries mixed feelings for me  as (very long story short) a project I got involved in there with some less than honorable partners a number of years back has turned me from a retired 35 yo into a struggling 40 yo and that's before the leg.  Anyway  ::)

I never really understood the love for the Sunny Coast to be honest.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 11:59:52 AM
Thanks guys...........as far as where the photos were taken Tim - it was south east Queensland (Sunshine Coast).  It was always my favourite holiday spot but unfortunately these days it carries mixed feelings for me  as (very long story short) a project I got involved in there with some less than honorable partners a number of years back has turned me from a retired 35 yo into a struggling 40 yo and that's before the leg.  Anyway  ::)
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I never really understood the love for the Sunny Coast to be honest.

The scenery looked amazing.



Thanks for the update on the Schenker. Looking forward to hearing it!


Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2015, 03:22:30 PM
I guess it is a nice holiday destination.  I guess I'm just more of a city guy, never been much into beaches and stuff.  For me, just doesn't seem like much up there.  Saying that, I also have some nice memories as a kid going up there yearly visiting relatives.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 23, 2015, 05:19:51 PM
Check out Jim's hair dudes  :lol   It's like Metal Wayne's World.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCWw1fQIvSo
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 06:08:30 PM
Was thinking about AJ Pero and classic Twisted Sister today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpHxf3t_igU
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Post by: bl5150 on March 23, 2015, 06:13:47 PM
Was thinking about AJ Pero and classic Twisted Sister today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpHxf3t_igU

 :metal   Did the movie "We Are Twisted Fucking Sister" ever get a DVD release?  I can't find any reference to it.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 06:18:10 PM
I'm not sure. The trailer was fantastic and gave me goosebumps.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 23, 2015, 10:54:05 PM
It doesn't sound much like Bonfire without Claus but I like David Reece and this sounds alright to me.  Will keep an ear out in April for its release

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v56ncU2J7XU&
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: jjrock88 on March 24, 2015, 03:04:54 AM
Never heard that Reece is in Bonfire. That's a solid band and the song sounds pretty good.

I would also like to see that TS doc, looks great!
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 24, 2015, 05:47:43 AM
I thought I had a bit of a find for you guys today - that Project Ravenblack I posted in the album thread.  Some little known guitarist who has managed to get guys like Boals , Doogie White, Jon Oliva, Andre Matos etc....to sing on his album.   I'm only 2/3rds through but unfortunately it's like most of these multi vocalist albums - the roster is far more impressive than the songs  :-\
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 06:10:49 AM
Damn man, that list of singers is too damn good.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: bl5150 on March 24, 2015, 06:12:57 AM
Damn man, that list of singers is too damn good.

And I left out James Christian and Amanda Somerville  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 06:16:20 AM
Not worth a listen at all?
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Post by: bl5150 on March 24, 2015, 06:21:52 AM
It's certainly listenable/competent but IMO the songs just ain't anything special.  Not terrible but I'd be struggling to rate it  much more than 65-70%

I thought you may like to check it out anyway which is the only reason I bothered noting it.  Having said that - just don't expect anything fantastic.

Here's the website

https://www.ravenblackproject.com/home/

Worth a look to see the latest possum Boals has on his scone  ;D
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Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 04:13:59 PM
I'm just getting more picky.  Anything doesn't doesn't really prick my interest right away I'm happy to disregard.  Doesn't matter who's involved anymore, must be getting old.  :lol

EDIT:  lol @ Boals.  He fits in Dokken nicely.
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 25, 2015, 06:20:19 AM
Halfway through my first listen of the new Schenker and I'm loving it. He's added some chunkiness while keeping his trademark sound. lots of tasty licks so far. So far a worthy follow up to Bridge The Gap.


Yes this rocks much harder than the UFO, but unfortunately that is what UFO is at this point. But I will say Vinnie has added a ton of shred to his solos on Stars. I've always felt he's held back that part of his playing for the most part, but he seems to let loose a little more.
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Post by: TAC on March 25, 2015, 06:56:04 AM
Damn.
https://bravewords.com/news/death-sound-of-perseverance-bassist-scott-clendenin-passes
Title: Re: The Official Hard Rock / Classic Metal Music Discussion and Memorabilia Thread!
Post by: TAC on March 25, 2015, 07:05:56 AM
Triple post FTW!! :metal

I'm through my first listen to Schenker's newie and it's much more my cup of tea than the UFO.   It does have the odd plodder (Brent tunes out) but for the most part it's a nice combination of bands like MSG , UFO, Thin Lizzy  etc.....one track has a distinct Rainbow vibe too.  I seem to be saying this a lot lately but it's 3 or 4 tracks too long.  If they'd stopped at track 8 my rating would be somewhere close to 90%.  As it is though tracks 9 through 11 are IMHO filler and the final track sorta gets things back on track a bit.

OK, now I'm through my first listen. This album is awesome!!

Brent, the latter part of the album didn't drag for me as it did for you, but generally speaking, ALL albums are 3-4 songs too long.
Now I feel about Schenker the way you/Brent feels about Eddie Van Halen.
Michael Schenker is my absolute favorite guitar player. My biggest problem over his career is that he is very song oriented, and rarely takes the selfish approach and shows you why he's so freaking amazing. To me, that's led to a lot of mediocre stuff. And while the first Temple Of Rock album was all over the place, these last two have been fantastic.

I think the songs on Bridge The Gap are better written and more memorable, and while Schenker sounds great, he stops just short of going off. But he is the most unleashed on Spirit that I can literally ever remember. I'm thinking as far back as Obsession. Seriously.

The album loses points for some cheesy lyrics.

Edit: And there is no way that this is Bucholz and Rarebell is it?? Wow! Especially Rarebell. I thought he sucked in Scorpions. Maybe they are responsible for Schenker's inspiration..

93% :P
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Post by: bl5150 on March 25, 2015, 07:13:44 AM
 :D  Aside from that run from track 9-11 I think we're on the same page here.  I think his slightly more adventurous playing was what made me think of Written In The Sand - he plays great on that and plenty of fans don't even know that record exists.  When I picked it up it was a Jap only release but it copped a Euro release later . if you have the Euro release and want the re-recorded Into The Arena and Cry For The Nations (Jap only) , let me know.

Glad you liked it as much as anticipated.


Shit - did you just edit that up a point while I was typing? :lol

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Post by: bl5150 on March 26, 2015, 03:36:45 AM
Haven't been to a pub gig in years for a variety of reasons but a big one is that nobody plays any decent music any more  :lol    So what the hell........me and the little sis are going to a quadruple tribute show this Saturday night.  Should attract an interesting crowd.

KISS , Def Leppard, Bon Jovi and Poison tributes all on the one night.   

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Post by: jjrock88 on March 26, 2015, 03:53:12 AM
Hopefully lots of Cougars at the show!

Always enjoy tribute bands
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 26, 2015, 04:00:13 AM
That show looks amazing. Cover/tribute bands can be entertaining whether they're good or bad, because picking them apart is half the fun when you know the band well. :lol
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Post by: wolfking on March 26, 2015, 05:39:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7UxOrBb0Is

Whitesnake's new version of Burn.  Fucking horrible.  Why is Reb's guitar playing so shit?

Again, Jorn's recent version is much better.  Hell, WASP's version from their last album was a ton better too.
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Post by: bl5150 on March 26, 2015, 05:41:53 AM
I suppose this shows you how much faith you can place in reviews sometimes.   The Purple Album is getting very strong reviews from what I've seen .........as far as I'm concerned Cov sounds bloody awful , even with all the studio tricks at his disposal.   
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Post by: bl5150 on March 26, 2015, 06:46:34 AM
JJ asked for my view on the new Impellitteri in the album thread,so................


It's classic Impellitteri/Racer X type stuff if that floats your boat - over the top metal with intense riffs/solos , pretty lame lyrics  and so on.................in other words , super awesome  :lol

By the end of the disc I was a bit over it but I had a huge grin on my face as things got started with the opening (and title) track.   It's just so  :metal :metal it's hard to know whether to bang your head or laugh or both.   Imagine an awesome intense riff and then Rob Rock comes in over the top in classic metal screamer style with:

"Are you readyyyyyyyyyyy - one , two , three...............Venoooooooooooooooooooooom"  :lol   :metal :metal

The opening track is a ball tearer but I rate the album 75% overall - it's just a bit one dimensional but I love that title track just for its over the top metal-ness  ;D
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 26, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7UxOrBb0Is

Whitesnake's new version of Burn.  Fucking horrible.  Why is Reb's guitar playing so shit?

Again, Jorn's recent version is much better.  Hell, WASP's version from their last album was a ton better too.

Jorn's version is terrible, completely unlistenable. His singing is of course great, but musically it's a trainwreck. You can't tell what beat it's even supposed to be on because of the crappy triggered metal drumming, and the guitars are awful. Original > everything.

I thought the new Whitesnake cover was slightly better than their Stormbringer cover. Musically I thought it was overall decent, but Coverdale can't sing that song as good as the original even tuned down, and the solos aren't up to the original.
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Post by: kingshmegland on March 26, 2015, 06:55:57 AM
Hopefully lots of Cougars at the show!

Always enjoy tribute bands

There cover cougars just like the bands. :lol
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 26, 2015, 08:28:37 AM
I'm not gonna even check out the samples to that Whitesnake, and definetely not picking it up.

Impellitteri disc sounds cool
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Post by: bl5150 on March 27, 2015, 07:37:02 AM
OK JJ...........Black Star Riders.   Like the UFO there's my opinion and the rest , and my opinion on this is about the same  :lol    The new Black Star Riders -like the UFO -  seems to be getting glowing reviews wherever you look.&