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Dream Theater => Bootlegs and Trading => Topic started by: James Mypetgiress on August 27, 2014, 09:44:09 AM
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I found a collection of 100GBs with of Bootlegs from 93-(I think)2011 on TPB. All FLAC files (lossless) I'm trying to download them, but its going to take a week, due to it being a MONSTER! I was wondering if anyone had ever seen this DL before or can confirm if it is genuine or not?
Thanks
(P.S, if anybody wants to, some seeds would be nice. (It currently stands at 6 seeders :lol))
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I may have seen it some 5 years ago. I aborted the download after realizing It would take months to complete. Do you have a sort of list of the bootlegs involved?
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If I'm right, it's this list:
(Oops list below)
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I may have seen it some 5 years ago. I aborted the download after realizing It would take months to complete. Do you have a sort of list of the bootlegs involved?
<Dream Theater - A Sort of Homecoming (25.10.97)>
<Dream Theater - Acoustic Dreams (30.09.95)>
<Dream Theater - Afterlife - Early Fantasy (NYC, 1989-11-14)>
<Dream Theater - Albuquerque, NM (13.09.04)>
<Dream Theater - An Evening with ... - London UK (17.01.04)>
<Dream Theater - An Intimate Evening at Irving Park (29.12.98)>
<Dream Theater - Ancienne Belgique (26.02.98)>
<Dream Theater - Another Uncovered (11.02.95)>
<Dream Theater - Are Clearly Defined (24.04.04)>
<Dream Theater - Awakening to New Beginnings (1994-10-21), Boston MA>
<Dream Theater - Back in Turbulence (Lichtenfels, Germany) (24.06.02)>
<Dream Theater - BBC session FM (30.01.95)>
<Dream Theater - Boston (20.05.08)>
<Dream Theater - Boston Crossroads (Remaster) (30.03.06)>
<Dream Theater - Boston, MA (2006-03-30)>
<Dream Theater - Boston, MA (21.08.07)>
<Dream Theater - Braehead Arena - Glasgow (11.10.07)>
<Dream Theater - Budapest, Petofi Hall (19.07.00)>
<Dream Theater - Cabaret San Jose (11.11.92)>
<Dream Theater - Calgary (09.05.08)>
<Dream Theater - Calgary (10.05.08)>
<Dream Theater - Caught In Sao Paulo (12.09.97)>
<Dream Theater - Chaos In Boston (21.08.07)>
<Dream Theater - Chaos in Brisbane (remastered) (01.02.08)> no artwork
<Dream Theater - Chaostand, Budokan (15.01.08)>
<Dream Theater - Chevrolet Theater, Wallingford, CT (22.08.07)>
<Dream Theater - Chicago, IL (12.08.05)>
<Dream Theater - Clapping Bonn (16.06.07)>
<Dream Theater - Clearwater, FL (21.08.02)>
<Dream Theater - Cleveland, OH (11.08.07)>
<Dream Theater - Columbus, OH (02.07.03)>
<Dream Theater - Copenhagen (20.01.04)>
<Dream Theater - Crossing Into Turbulence (07.03.02)>
<Dream Theater - Cuyahoga Falls, OH - Chris Hughes Remaster (24.08.04)>
<Dream Theater - Danish Scenes (30.04.00)>
<Dream Theater - Den Bosch, Holland (14.10.00)>
<Dream Theater - Denver FM (22.11.94)>
<Dream Theater - Derek Streets (12.01.98)>
<Dream Theater - Download Festival (14.06.09)> no artwork
<Dream Theater - Duesseldorf (07.10.07)>
<Dream Theater - Enter the Dragons (09.11.07)>
<Dream Theater - Ethereal Wind Of Dreams (Rome, Italy) (11.04.00)>
<Dream Theater - Familiar Setting, San Francisco (11.03.06)>
<Dream Theater - Fields of Rock (17.06.07)>
<Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams pt.1 (19.11.1992)>
<Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams pt.2, Osaka, Japan (28.08.93)>
<Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams pt.3, Koseinenkin Hall, Osaka, Japan (23.01.95)>
<Dream Theater - Frankfurt (08.10.07)>
<Dream Theater - Frantic Actions of Insanity (25.07.07)>
<Dream Theater - Gigantour in Boston (Remaster) (26.08.05)>
<Dream Theater - Happy Birthday John (Pistoia, Italy) (12.07.02)>
<Dream Theater - Heaven and Hell, Dortmund, Germany (30.01.04)>
<Dream Theater - Heavy Meddle (02.04.04)>
<Dream Theater - Home Sweet Home, Long Island, NY (04.10.92)>
<Dream Theater - Hopeless Surrender - Yokohama, Japan (12.04.02)>
<Dream Theater - Hordern Pavillion (Sydney, Australia) (30.01.08)>
<Dream Theater - I Do Like You (10.01.98)>
<Dream Theater - In the Presence of Drunks - Holmdel NJ (24.08.07)>
<Dream Theater - Indy Radio Interview (06.07.93)>
<Dream Theater - It's Snowing (Tokyo, 16.01.98)>
<Dream Theater - Jaahalli, Helsinki, Finland (26.09.07)>
<Dream Theater - James Juggling In Jacksonville, FL (20.08.02)>
<Dream Theater - La Locomotive (13.04.93)>
<Dream Theater - Live at the Heineken Music Hall (10.10.05)>
<Dream Theater - Live at the Heineken Music Hall (11.10.05)>
<Dream Theater - Live from Milan (30.11.97)>
<Dream Theater - Live in Germany, Nurnberg (31.01.04)>
<Dream Theater - Live In Madrid (11.02.04)>
<Dream Theater - Live in the Flats, Cleveland OH (17.05.08)>
<Dream Theater - Live Scenes From Esch, Luxembourg (15.06.07)>
<Dream Theater - Los Angeles, CA (02.05.08)> no artwork
<Dream Theater - Lost Dreams in Foreign Town, Oslo (28.03.00)>
<Dream Theater - Lost in the Sky, Palasesto, Milan, Italy (15.11.93)>
<Dream Theater - Lost Without You (11.03.95)>
<Dream Theater - M2000 In Oslo, Rockafeller, Oslo, Norway (28.03.00)>
<Dream Theater - Making Waves In Toronto (22.03.06)>
<Dream Theater - Metropolis 2000 in San Francisco (16.08.00)>
<Dream Theater - Milan (03.06.07)>
<Dream Theater - Milan (15.11.93)>
<Dream Theater - Milan (1994) (15.11.93)>
<Dream Theater - Milwaukee FM (29.06.93)>
<Dream Theater - Milwaukee, WI (27.08.02)>
<Dream Theater - Molson Amphitheater, Toronto (18.08.07)>
<Dream Theater - Murder, Young Girl Killed - Transmigration 1 (15.05.00)>
<Dream Theater - Nancy (07.11.07)>
<Dream Theater - Newport (09.11.07)>
<Dream Theater - Newport Centre, Newport, Wales (09.11.07)>
<Dream Theater - Nighttown Nostalgia (22.06.98)>
<Dream Theater - Nurnberg, Germany (10.04.97)>
<Dream Theater - Old Bridge Remaster (09.06.95)>
<Dream Theater - Orpheum Theatre - Green Bay, WI (2007) (30.06.93)>
<Dream Theater - Palalido, Milano (exerpts) (30.11.97)>
<Dream Theater - Perfect Dreams (09-10.04.93)>
<Dream Theater - Phasing Left Phasing Right - Wantagh NY (25.08.07)>
<Dream Theater - Presence on the Pier, Boston, MA (21.08.07)>
<Dream Theater - Proven Over Time, Nagoya, Japan (22.04.04)>
<Dream Theater - Radio Veronica session FM (14.02.95)>
<Dream Theater - Regression of a Memory, Paris (24.11.99)>
<Dream Theater - Returning to Time, Phoenix AZ (06.03.06)>
<Dream Theater - Rome (26.10.07)>
<Dream Theater - Rotterdam, Netherlands (18.01.04)>
<Dream Theater - Rotterdam, NL (09.10.07)>
<Dream Theater - Rotterdamned (03.11.02)>
<Dream Theater - San Diego, CA (24bit) (24.07.07)>
<Dream Theater - Scenes from Madrid (18.04.00)>
<Dream Theater - Scenes From Offenbach (01.04.00)>
<Dream Theater - Screaming for Me Long Beach (09.06.90)>
<Dream Theater - Shit, I Saw Them Years Ago, Boston MA (10.03.93)>
<Dream Theater - Speak To Us (30.10.06)>
<Dream Theater - Starz - Greenfield, WI (22.10.92)>
<Dream Theater - Starz, Greenfield, 1st gen (28.01.93)>
<Dream Theater - Starz, Greenfield, WI USA (1992-10-22)>
<Dream Theater - Static Progress (17.04.98)>
<Dream Theater - Sweden Rock Festival (06.06.09)> no artwork
<Dream Theater - Systematic Images (03.06.07)>
<Dream Theater - Take the Chaos, B.A., Argentina (03.03.08)>
<Dream Theater - The Crimson Sunrise (15.04.97)>
<Dream Theater - The Dark Eternal Night in Katowice (12.06.07)>
<Dream Theater - The Hardest Proggin' Tour of '98 (30.08.98)>
<Dream Theater - The Ministry of Chaos, B.A., Argentina (04.03.08)>
<Dream Theater - The Ministry of Lost Sounds (02.10.07)>
<Dream Theater - The Rage of Those Inside (13.03.02)>
<Dream Theater - The Rudess Experiment (1998) (09.09.94)>
<Dream Theater - The Show That Stumped Them All (New York, NY) (28.03.02)>
<Dream Theater - The Universal Dream (27.09.92)>
<Dream Theater - This City Never Lets Us Down, Boston (20.05.08)>
<Dream Theater - Three Hours of Inner Turbulence (07.02.02)>
<Dream Theater - Tokyo (17.01.06)> no artwork
<Dream Theater - Tokyo Dragons (2004) (23.01.95)>
<Dream Theater - Torwar, Warsaw, Poland (02.10.07)>
<Dream Theater - Train Wreck - Phoenix AZ (19.08.00)>
<Dream Theater - Uncovered (31.01.95)>
<Dream Theater - Universal Ampitheater, LA (19.09.04)>
<Dream Theater - Vancouver (06.05.08)>
<Dream Theater - Vicar Street, Dublin (18.10.02)>
<Dream Theater - Waking Up Terminal 1 (04.02.95)>
<Dream Theater - Warsaw, Poland - (Taped by GarfieldPL, mastered by Jaca O) (02.10.07)>
<Dream Theater - Warwick, RI (15.05.93)>
<Dream Theater - Washington DC (26.06.08)>
<Dream Theater - Who is That on Keys (Providence RI) (20.10.94)>
I aborted, as it went from 7 days remaining to 84. Thats a bit too much for me... also, i live in a house with 3 other people and it was sorta kinda hogging all the bandwidth. :lol
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I meanwhile did download it.
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<Dream Theater - Awakening to New Beginnings (1994-10-21), Boston MA>
<Dream Theater - Shit, I Saw Them Years Ago, Boston MA (10.03.93)>
<Dream Theater - Who is That on Keys (Providence RI) (20.10.94)>
Those look familiar! ;D
The Berklee show is still one of my favorite DT shows.
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Could you post the link to the torrent page? There's one or two bootlegs I might have lost and I would like to have them again.
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https://pirateproxy.in/torrent/5949634/Mega_collection_of_Dream_Theater_bootlegs_in_lossless
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Could you post the link to the torrent page? There's one or two bootlegs I might have lost and I would like to have them again.
Is there much point? It will take several weeks to download.
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A good chunk of torrent software allows you to select what exactly you're torrenting, so you can remove everything you don't want and pick what you do want.
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Yes, that's exactly what I am going to do! They would likely amount to one or two GB, so at most it'd take two days.
By the way, I'm interested in Uncovered and Nighttown Nostalgia. I strongly encourage every DT fan to lay their hands on those two bootlegs.
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Yes, that's exactly what I am going to do! They would likely amount to one or two GB, so at most it'd take two days.
By the way, I'm interested in Uncovered and Nighttown Nostalgia. I strongly encourage every DT fan to lay their hands on those two bootlegs.
Fair enough. If transmission for mac lets you select what you're downloading, I'll download the ones I want (Nighttown Nostalgia was definitely one of them!)
BTW, do you know any other good places for bootlegs while the DTHub (or at least the forums) are down?
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I actually downloaded that a while back, it was definitely worth the long wait. I'll probably start seeding it again when I get home.
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Alright, let's get psychologically ready for this. What is the download speed you guys are getting?
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Currently uploading at +250kb/s... enjoy!
EDIT: Now my connection is kinda flopping, probably other family members also doing things on the internet, but hey I'm seeding!
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I'm currently getting 83KB/s taking 1week to d/l (and I've selected the files I want)
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hey I'm seeding!
thanks. I downloaded:
Who Is That On The Keys
Live On BBC Radio 1
Happy Birthday John
And Nighttime Nostalgia
Who Is That On The Keys is bad quality though!
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I think that's a similar or perhaps exact torrent I got a fair while ago.
It's legit for sure, and there's very cool stuff in there, but bloody good luck filtering through it all though as that list is a bit intimidating. Some of it's of significantly better quality than others, and there's probably hours upon days worth of footage to listen to. ;)
Edit: Btw, never pay attention to ETA for torrents, all it takes is the right seeder to come on and boom, huge chunk of download happens out of nowhere.
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Hey guys.
A word of advice on this collection:
- Run the checksum files (md5/ffp) to verify the files' integrity.
- Check for possible lossy-sourced files (just download Trader's Little Helper).
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Holy shit.
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Holy shit.
:rollin
That was my thought when I first saw it too!
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Just so you know the boot entitled "A Sort of Homecoming" has a far more listenable sibling. I think it's called "A Sense of New Beginnings" or something. I can try to post it somewhere if you guys want it.
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Just so you know the boot entitled "A Sort of Homecoming" has a far more listenable sibling. I think it's called "A Sense of New Beginnings" or something. I can try to post it somewhere if you guys want it.
I would be interested. The boot of "A Sort of Homecoming" was decent so if it has a better "sibling" that would be great!
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Uploading to Google Drive now.
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https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B0ZNQUD9a40VSXU3ZHNKQUhYSFk (https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B0ZNQUD9a40VSXU3ZHNKQUhYSFk)
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Oh bugger !! Virginmedia not letting me use the torrent file ???
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Hey guys.
A word of advice on this collection:
- Run the checksum files (md5/ffp) to verify the files' integrity.
- Check for possible lossy-sourced files (just download Trader's Little Helper).
This...
...and also. Check to make sure the boots are labeled correctly. I don't recall which ones but I remember a few having Title A but the track listing was for a boot from a different source named Title B.
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Hey guys.
A word of advice on this collection:
- Run the checksum files (md5/ffp) to verify the files' integrity.
- Check for possible lossy-sourced files (just download Trader's Little Helper).
Don't torrents automatically verify? The first sign of my bad HDD was that a torrent I was downloading into previously unused space failed a CRC check.
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Don't ban me ???
I just wanted to let those interested know that, after almost 5 weeks, I have just finished downloading the full 100GB file :omg: and I'll be seeding for as much as I can :tup
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Why would someone ban you? Are you an asshole or something? :lol
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Are you an asshole or something? :lol
:lol
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Why would someone ban you? Are you an asshole or something? :lol
:lol
Been in so many forums that ban people for posting in old threads that it wouldn't be a surprise if they did.
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It's the opposite here. The mods would rather see you rekindle an old thread as opposed to start a thread on a topic that has about a dozen threads already. :lol
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Good to know!
I won't mind the warning that appears when posting on a long-agonizing thread :lol
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Sometimes I'll intentionally dig up an old thread when I'm bored.
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Sometimes I'll intentionally dig up an old thread when I'm bored.
Are you an asshole or something?
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:rollin
I actually KNEW that was coming!
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Yeah, but we already know I am, dearie. :lol
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Yeah, but we already know I am, dearie. :lol
Well, yeah. But you left yourself open, so there was no way I could pass it up. :lol
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Yeah, but we already know I am, dearie. :lol
Well, yeah. But you left yourself open, so there was no way I could pass it up. :lol
I'd be more surprised if someone didn't capitalize on that.
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Scientists have long observed the Bro in his natural habitat and have studied Bro behavior. It has been well documented that natural Bro behavior is, when a guy leaves himself open, a Bro naturally has to take the shot. It is instinct that is deeply embedded into the Bro species.
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:lol
I remember that study. It focused heavily on the congratulatory hetero ass slap.
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Thanks for reminding me, I need to re-build my collection of bootlegs. Might start with this, lol.
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After deleting a big part of my collection few years ago (I thought I'd never ever want to listen to it and I didn't have much space on my HDD) I want to download few of these. Whoever is seeding this: thank you :-*
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Oh wow...I think I'll get just the Albuquerque show. Surprised to see that on there.
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After deleting a big part of my collection few years ago (I thought I'd never ever want to listen to it and I didn't have much space on my HDD) I want to download few of these. Whoever is seeding this: thank you :-*
Np ;)
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Still seeding? I really want to get that ALBQ, show.
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Still seeding? I really want to get that ALBQ, show.
I'm still seeding. :) Enjoy!
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I'll give you my seed
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I'll give you my seed
(https://memeshappen.com/media/created/Oh-god-no-Ewww-meme-31232.jpg)
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:lol :rollin :lol
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;)
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Well, this is awesome... and great thanks for that 1997 boot.
I'm actually home for 2 days right now and have a chance to dig up some of my rarities.
I'll get on the torrent, and maybe i can get some shows to people.
I dunno what the current status is of Grateful Dreams stuff because they appear to be dead but aren't necessarily circulating... so i don't wanna poke that bear without having an understanding of the current atmosphere.
I do have some others though in lossless. Just need to rip em and get em on mega.
12/6/1996
2/19/1995
2/6/2004
2/19/2000
7/11/2002
11/18/1994
12/9/1994
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Grateful Dreams isn't dead, and it's not a bear, it's a wookie.
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I remember Wasteland(Or possibly Weymolith) mentioning something about an upcoming GDT bootleg about a year ago, so I wouldn't say it's dead, just a little behind schedule(Or maybe it's just that the site hasn't been updated in ages).
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Weymo ignored myrequest to join GDT that I sent when I turned 18.
Is it dead or do y'all hate me?
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Hey guys.
A word of advice on this collection:
- Run the checksum files (md5/ffp) to verify the files' integrity.
- Check for possible lossy-sourced files (just download Trader's Little Helper).
Got to download all the files a while back and some of them failed the md5-ffp but they were lossless sourced
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Weymo ignored myrequest to join GDT that I sent when I turned 18.
Is it dead or do y'all hate me?
It's not dead, and I don't think he hates you.
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Weymo ignored myrequest to join GDT that I sent when I turned 18.
Is it dead or do y'all hate me?
Maybe life caught up with Wey, and he fell behind on GDT stuff?
Got to download all the files a while back and some of them failed the md5-ffp but they were lossless sourced
I think a couple of them(Such as Afterlife: Early Fantasy, allegedly) are lossy, but I don't think you can really use the FFP/MD5 hash failures as a serious metric for lossiness; IIRC, the ones that fail usually are looking for SHN files, when the actual files are FLAC(Or the other way around), or the files have been renamed, so the hash check can't find the files.
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Weymo ignored myrequest to join GDT that I sent when I turned 18.
Is it dead or do y'all hate me?
Maybe life caught up with Wey, and he fell behind on GDT stuff?
Got to download all the files a while back and some of them failed the md5-ffp but they were lossless sourced
I think a couple of them(Such as Afterlife: Early Fantasy, allegedly) are lossy, but I don't think you can really use the FFP/MD5 hash failures as a serious metric for lossiness; IIRC, the ones that fail usually are looking for SHN files, when the actual files are FLAC(Or the other way around), or the files have been renamed, so the hash check can't find the files.
Yeah, that's what I tried to say, they fail the FFP/MD5 but they seem to be lossless, and specially with that torrent many and I mean MANY files have been renamed but still work.
I'm currently sharing some of those files in the Hub if anyone's interested
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Weymo ignored myrequest to join GDT that I sent when I turned 18.
Is it dead or do y'all hate me?
GDT is very much alive. The site just hasn't been updated.
Send it again. You may have fallen in to my spam folder.
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I am still an amateur when it comes to Torrents. I am lucky to be able to download stuff at work with a nice speedy connection. However, can someone tell me what "seeding" means? Thanks
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I just downloaded one of these bootlegs. My question is why would someone make FLAC lossless files from a recording that sounds like it was recorded with a handheld cassette player?
To me, it's like taking a 50's doo wop song and making it a 320 kbs Mp3. There's no point. It's just wasted file space. Am I wrong on this?
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I just downloaded one of these bootlegs. My question is why would someone make FLAC lossless files from a recording that sounds like it was recorded with a handheld cassette player?
To me, it's like taking a 50's doo wop song and making it a 320 kbs Mp3. There's no point. It's just wasted file space. Am I wrong on this?
Yes. The reason is to preserve the originally recorded quality. Even if the quality is poor, lossless is just that -- lossless. You're hearing the very best of that particular recording. For tapers, traders, and collectors, that's extremely important.
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However, can someone tell me what "seeding" means? Thanks
Seeding means keeping the torrent software up and running so that other people can also download the same thing from you and whoever else is connected/online at the time. In other words, just as someone was willing to share, you should stay connected to make sure to share with others.
I just downloaded one of these bootlegs. My question is why would someone make FLAC lossless files from a recording that sounds like it was recorded with a handheld cassette player?
To me, it's like taking a 50's doo wop song and making it a 320 kbs Mp3. There's no point. It's just wasted file space. Am I wrong on this?
Short answer: to insure you have the best sounding copy as possible, even if the recording is not the greatest.
Long answer: not sure how old you are, or if you are familiar with bootleg trading back in the day, but a lot of focus was put on trying to get the lowest generation ("gen") copy of a bootleg. The higher the generation, the worse sounding the recording sounded since copying from cassette to cassette to cassette to cassette, etc. introduced more hiss and other imperfections. Entering into the digital age with CDs got rid of that problem. But then the introduction of the MP3 and other lossy formats brought it back again.
Basically, the fear is that someone will take an MP3, burn it to CD, then later RIP it to a compressed, lossy MP3 and trade it that way. Doing this over and over will produce a worse sounding recording each time the file is re-converted to MP3. So by insisting on keeping things lossless (in other words, that no information is lost, an exact copy), no digital gens are introduced. Altho an extreme example (re-ripped/compressed 666 times), this might help you appreciate why many bootleg collectors want the files in a lossless format like FLAC:
https://www.coryarcangel.com/downloads/Cory-Arcangel-666.mp3
Some people may argue that no one burns stuff to CD any more, so this should be a non-issue. Point taken. But storage abilities of computers and other devices has increased exponentially, besides the bandwidth available for downloading, which argues in favor of the lossless format (since these are no longer limitations like they were in the past).
Personally, I want the files in lossless format whenever possible, for trading purposes. But when I want to listen to the recordings on my iPod or iTunes, I'll convert them to AAC or MP3 format. But I'd never trade them in those formats.
Another reason to trade in lossless formats only is for when people want to tweak the recording to improve the sound - the more information there is (even if we can't hear it at the present), the more possibility a person has to make adjustments to the recording to improve the sound. It's one of the reasons why many tapers today will record shows in 96KHz/24bit or 192KHz/24bit even tho CD quality is only 44.1KHz/16bit - so there's more to work with. It's the same as if you wanted to make adjustments to a photo - a camera RAW file will give you far more information so that you can make much better changes/adjustments than even a .jpg file with minimal compression.
For a more thorough answer, check out this link:
https://www.howtogeek.com/142174/what-lossless-file-formats-are-why-you-shouldnt-convert-lossy-to-lossless/
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Scott! Hope you've been well mi amigo!
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Scotty: I am 42 and definitely used to trade cassettes back in the day, so I do understand your explanation.
I have a rather large mp3 collection (at least by my standards). My iPod (yes I still use an iPod) has stuff from the 1920's to 2016. For example, I have every song recorded by Bessie Smith in the 1920's and 30's. I am not going to keep them at 320kbs. That makes no sense to me. But that's just me.
I do understand what the compression process does. I used to trade Mp3s in the mid 90's when they were mp2's! . . . . .MIRC . . .memories . . . I had a 14.4 modem and used to rip them from a CD, then edit out the chorus repeat or guitar solo, so they wouldn't take 3 hours to transfer :-)
Thanks for the links. I will read them thoroughly :-)
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Scotty: " . . . . .Seeding means keeping the torrent software up and running so that other people can also download the same thing from you and whoever else is connected/online at the time. In other words, just as someone was willing to share, you should stay connected to make sure to share with others. . . . . . "
So, basically, when I am finished downloading something and it turns green, I should leave it connected and not remove the torrent so others can download from that quicker. Anyone have a link to something that describes the torrent process at length?
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One additional thing about MP3 -- it's actually a pretty bad format for storage. I suggest switching to OGG or AAC as soon as possible; an OGG encoded at 192kbps sounds better than an MP3 at 320kbps. This is because OGG uses better algorithms for compressing the data, so it reduces the size more while keeping more data. Also, MP3s add a short amount of silence to the beginning of each track, ruining transitions like in Scenes From A Memory, or most Queen albums. I personally don't use AAC, so I'm not sure exactly how they stand up, but even if they aren't as good as OGG, they're sure as hell better than MP3.
As for torrenting...
The way torrents work is that instead of having the files available to download from one place online, you have people running their torrenting program, who send copies of the files from their hard drive to you. Once you've finished downloading, it's generally assumed that you'll keep the torrent in your torrenting program, so anyone else who wants to download can download from you(This is known as "Seeding"). Even if everyone who's downloaded the torrent(The "Seeders") has a slow connection, multiple slow connections all sending the files to one person will essentially function as if it was one person with a very fast connection.
Naturally, the programs run checks every step of the way to ensure the data is correct(Meaning you won't be sent viruses, corrupted files, etc.), making it a very good, and rather stable system. Of course, the only problem is when no one with the torrent downloaded is connected anymore. Then you have a dead(Or unseeded) torrent. Sometimes, dead torrents can come back, but not always. That's why seeding is important.
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Robo: Thanks for the info regarding OGG vs. Mp3. For me to re-compile my entire musical collection in OGG would take years. I will try to put my new stuff in that format.
Thanks also for the info about Torrenting. I only do it at work since I don't even have a computer at my house. Therefore, it's not wise for me to stay on and seed, but when I finally get fully back on my feet and have a proper setup at my house I will be planting seeds :-)
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Windows Media Player apparently does not play OGG files. Do they play on Ipods?
Currently listening to a file called "Different Strings Medley"
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I don't bother with MP3s or any other lossy formats. To put it bluntly, they're shite. ;)
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<blockquote> I don't bother with MP3s or any other lossy formats. To put it bluntly, they're shite.</blockquote>
I guess the name ProgSnob fits then :-) [Note: this is just a play on his name, not a personal attack!!!]
When bandwidth and storage space are not an issue, I guess you can have that opinion. For me right now, both of those are an issue.
Plus, for all of my recordings made prior to 1964, I just don't need FLAC. You can't polish a turd.
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Plus, for all of my recordings made prior to 1964, I just don't need FLAC. You can't polish a turd.
But you can encase it in glass to stop it from getting partially eaten by a rat.
The idea behind using FLAC even for old recordings is that you don't lose any more audio data than is already muffled out by age. Some subtleties, like little flairs on the basslines can be just about heard in a lossless file, even if it is barely audible, but an MP3 would completely cut it out.
Windows Media Player apparently does not play OGG files. Do they play on Ipods?
For Windows, switch to Winamp (https://www.winamp.com/index.html). As for iPods, I'm sure it can. Or at least, if it can't, iTunes should convert it to a format it can.
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Robo4900 " . . . . . .The idea behind using FLAC even for old recordings is that you don't lose any more audio data than is already muffled out by age . . . . "
I'm not sure what you mean. I could take a CD of - for example - Tears on my pillow by Little Anthony and the Imperials from 1958. The recording quality, even in its most pristine condition is crap. It doesn't contain very low or very high frequencies - at least from what my somewhat trained ears can hear. Why would I need to store that in FLAC? Why would I even need to store it at 320kbsd? That would cut off frequencies that probably were not even on the original recording.
That's just my opinion anyway.
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As far as the lossless/lossy music file thing goes, for my personal listening everything is in MP3. At higher bit-rates it sounds fine to me. IMO to really apreciate the differences in lossless and lossy files you need very high quality gear because honestly I'd be shocked if most low to mid-level headphones and speakers are really going to emphasize the differences.
Now for bootlegs, if I upload something anywhere it's always in FLAC. Most sites will not even allow you to upload MP3 files. Dime for example will not allow this unless a mod overrides it, if there really is no lossless source out there...but this is rare and usually only if the concert was recorded from an online stream.
As stated above, MP3 files do add a tiny gap of silence at the start and end of each file. When I have music where tracks are connected together, this silence is annoying because on the CD there's not supposed to be a gap there. So in those cases I just edit the files, delete the silence and merge them. For general listening, this works fine.
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Robo: " . . . . . .The idea behind using FLAC even for old recordings is that you don't lose any more audio data than is already muffled out by age . . . . "
Also, how does a CD of an old recording "age?" Just trying to follow your line of thinking
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Robo: " . . . . . .The idea behind using FLAC even for old recordings is that you don't lose any more audio data than is already muffled out by age . . . . "
Also, how does a CD of an old recording "age?" Just trying to follow your line of thinking
CDs of old recordings are copies made of old master tapes, or if necessary, surviving vinyl records. The tapes can be damaged, the vinyls usually sound pretty rough, and so, while you won't lose anything when transferring it to CD, it's still pretty mangled by the time it gets to CD.
Robo4900 " . . . . . .The idea behind using FLAC even for old recordings is that you don't lose any more audio data than is already muffled out by age . . . . "
I'm not sure what you mean. I could take a CD of - for example - Tears on my pillow by Little Anthony and the Imperials from 1958. The recording quality, even in its most pristine condition is crap. It doesn't contain very low or very high frequencies - at least from what my somewhat trained ears can hear. Why would I need to store that in FLAC? Why would I even need to store it at 320kbsd? That would cut off frequencies that probably were not even on the original recording.
That's just my opinion anyway.
Putting that through MP3 compression is like transferring something from VHS to a 65MB MPEG file at 320x240. Sure, VHS technically can only store about 300 lines of resolution, its colour information is rather fragile, and it tends to take on a rather fuzzy look if it's more than a couple of years old, but put that tape on your TV and it'll most likely still look okay. However, put the data on that tape through heavy digital compression, and the remnants of the degraded data is completely compressed or crushed out, and additional digital artifacting is added that make it look awful when played on anything bigger than a phone screen from 8 years ago. Meanwhile, transfer a VHS at full DVD resolution(480i in America, 576i in Europe) with a fairly high bitrate, and it'll actually look pretty good. And with some work, you can filter out some of the noise, and enhance the colours, making it look better than the source.
Of course, this is all a metaphor. Here's how this applies to music: Get an old recording that you can't hear certain frequencies on, make a lossless copy, and run an EQ over it. With the right settings, you can make the bass clearer, give the mids more of an open/airy sound, and even reduce background hiss. However, if it's been run through an MP3, adding some of that airiness to the sound will also introduce an annoying jangling chains-like sound. You can try to make the bass clearer, but it will have lost a lot of definition in the MP3 compression process, making the already degraded audio sound even worse(e.g. You can't make out the bassline turns into it sounding like there's actually no bass playing at all).
The worst part of all of this is that these side-effects of EQing an MP3(Jangling chains, lost bass definition) are already audible on the non-EQ'd MP3 files themselves if you have good sound equipment(Good headphones(i.e. not Beats or ear buds) and a good/decent sound card), or even if you only have decent equipment, but you have a good ear.
On top of all this, as I've mentioned before, OGG is literally just a strictly better form of MP3 in the first place, and what you've got is the equivalent of people saving music to casette tape when DAT tapes are a better option for taped music, but CDs have already come out, rendering both obsolite. Except in this case, money isn't a factor.
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Robo: You do a good job of explaining and are very succinct.
With regard to switching to OGG, you say: " . . . . Except in this case, money isn't a factor. . . . " True, but time is a factor. It would take me a VERY long time to switch my entire musical collection to OGG. The only actual CDs I have kept are my DT, Beatles and Barry Manilow (dont' say a word - I have loved Barry since I was 4!!!!!). So, I would have to download everything else I have in a lossless format then convert them to OGG. Ugh.
I guess it comes down to if the sound quality is acceptable to the listener. For the most part, what I have right now is fine with me. Perhaps I will start getting stuff from now on Lossless but for me to convert my collection is an overwhelming chore.
It's also quite likely that I have lost a lot of high end from several years of standing next to the drummer on small cramped bar stages. :-(
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I've ripped my entire CD collection (at least 1,000 albums) to 256 kbps MP3s. I can't hear any loss, so it works for me. I have a modified iPod (a classic one modded so it has a ridiculous amount of storage) that everything is on, and it works for me. My bootlegs -- done the same thing. I've got probably every Queensryche show from the original lineup ever recorded, and all those CDs are ripped to 256 kbps MP3s that I listen to (I still have 3 copies of the originals on CD, and in .wav form). I can't tell the quality difference. They are bootlegs, after all...
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I have one of the 160 gb ipods. how large did you modify yours to?
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I've ripped my entire CD collection (at least 1,000 albums) to 256 kbps MP3s. I can't hear any loss, so it works for me. I have a modified iPod (a classic one modded so it has a ridiculous amount of storage) that everything is on, and it works for me. My bootlegs -- done the same thing. I've got probably every Queensryche show from the original lineup ever recorded, and all those CDs are ripped to 256 kbps MP3s that I listen to (I still have 3 copies of the originals on CD, and in .wav form). I can't tell the quality difference. They are bootlegs, after all...
Sometimes you can. Sometimes you can't. I'd rather just play it safe and keep it in lossless form. Hard drive space is cheap these days. You can get a 3TB drive for under $100.
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I have one of the 160 gb ipods. how large did you modify yours to?
I want to say it is 400 gb. It was the max capacity classic that was modified to the current size. It's connected to my car stereo at the moment, and I'm in the office, so not sure what size off-hand. But it's huge.
Sometimes you can. Sometimes you can't. I'd rather just play it safe and keep it in lossless form. Hard drive space is cheap these days. You can get a 3TB drive for under $100.
True enough. I don't rely solely on MP3s, however. My music collection is all CDs and CDRs, all lossless. But for my listening purposes, 256 kpbs mp3s sound absolutely fine, and I've got a pretty top notch audio system in my car. At work, I listen on headphones, and honestly, I still can't tell. Not at that bitrate.
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I have one of the 160 gb ipods. how large did you modify yours to?
I want to say it is 400 gb. It was the max capacity classic that was modified to the current size. It's connected to my car stereo at the moment, and I'm in the office, so not sure what size off-hand. But it's huge.
Sometimes you can. Sometimes you can't. I'd rather just play it safe and keep it in lossless form. Hard drive space is cheap these days. You can get a 3TB drive for under $100.
True enough. I don't rely solely on MP3s, however. My music collection is all CDs and CDRs, all lossless. But for my listening purposes, 256 kpbs mp3s sound absolutely fine, and I've got a pretty top notch audio system in my car. At work, I listen on headphones, and honestly, I still can't tell. Not at that bitrate.
Fair enough. Here's the thing though, music is a very analogue thing, and everyone's ears are different. So what works for you may be completely unacceptable for someone else.
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You said it right, Robo. There's no one right answer here as everyone hears differently. I am glad that hearing MP3s make me cringe as compared to listening to the sound of a CD or other lossless media. :lol
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Don't ban me ???
I just wanted to let those interested know that, after almost 5 weeks, I have just finished downloading the full 100GB file :omg: and I'll be seeding for as much as I can :tup
Hello don_waka and others, apologies for waking up this topic after 3+ years of sleep. Any chance that anyone could seed this torrent? Really interested in getting it, after some weeks seems no seeders...:(.
Any help would be highly appreciated! Thanks!