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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Skeever on August 15, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
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Yes I'm being diabolical.
Would you do it?
I prefer Moore to Rudess, but could care less about who is on drums. That said, even though Images and Awake are my favorite albums, I doubt the old DT lineup would be able to do it again. The current DT is probably the best possible DT right now.
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Moore was good. He had some very good melodies, but he couldn't hold a candle to Rudess even back in the I&W days, let alone now when he probably can't even play as well as he used to. So no, definitely not.
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No, but I'd trade MM for Peart.
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I like both Moore and Portnoy more than their counterparts.
That said, Moore doesn't want to come back and the rest of DT don't want MP back, so, I would say no.
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Let me add that it's a package deal. You can't just have MP or KM back alone. They come in a bundle.
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*looks at cards*
.... I give you a Rudess and two Mangini if I get a '95 Petrucci. And don't try to sneak in a Dominici, you know the goal of the game is to not be the last guy with the Charlie card.
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I have a holographic Chris Collins... Does anyone want that?
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Derek ? Yes.
Portnoy ? God no.
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*looks at cards*
.... I give you a Rudess and two Mangini if I get a '95 Petrucci. And don't try to sneak in a Dominici, you know the goal of the game is to not be the last guy with the Charlie card.
fine, but the trade comes packaged with MP with the short hair and highlights XD
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I voted no.
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Let me add that it's a package deal. You can't just have MP or KM back alone. They come in a bundle.
If they come back and are playing/writing at the level they were in the Awake days, then yes. If KM is being dragged kicking and screaming into DT and current MP is joining an unwilling DT, then no.
I hope you're willing to throw in Petrucci's Picasso guitar though.
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No.
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I voted no.
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I'd like to see Moore back. Portnoy, no.
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Dream Theater is what it is, you can't just bring back a specific awesome era by plugging in old characters. It would be like bringing back Carrie Fisher to Star Wars in the hope you get a good movie again.
Wait...
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I have a holographic Chris Collins... Does anyone want that?
Is it one of those things that comes with him singing or something like that on it?
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I have a holographic Chris Collins... Does anyone want that?
Is it one of those things that comes with him singing or something like that on it?
No, don't worry, you won't actually have to listen to it.
Dream Theater is what it is, you can't just bring back a specific awesome era by plugging in old characters. It would be like bringing back Carrie Fisher to Star Wars in the hope you get a good movie again.
Wait...
:neverusethis:
The only difference is, DT's albums are all awesome, unlike Star Wars movies.
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Absolutely
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I voted no.
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I'd consider trading MM for MP, but JR for KM? Lol no.
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Would of loved to hear either Bobby Jarzombek or Marco Minnemann on drums.
KM for JR? Maybe bring back KM as a lyricist, but that's it.
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Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nope.
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This thread reminds me of that famous short story, The Monkey's Paw.
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I've got a Steve Stone rookie card. Gotta be valuable somewhere, right?
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I opened a DT booster pack and got 5 Myungs ???
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Check your wrapper man, I think you got a spook pack.
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No no.
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5 Myungs is the name of my all bass quintet.
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I'd consider trading MM for MP, but JR for KM? Lol no.
This! But we all know it's not happening.
It would be great however, if they would do a couple of special show's with MP and KM. I wouldn't mind seeing Derek in the band, for one last time also. ;D
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No way! It would be a huge step back for the band and an admission of defeat. They have moved forward, let it be so.
B.Lee
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No, because realistically DT would stop as a band shortly after. They seem happy now, so i prefer them continue to exist, even if the music is not that exciting for me.
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Carrie Fisher now or Carrie Fisher in "Return of the Jedi"?
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I couldn't even imagine KM being in the band today, not with the kind of music he prefers to play since leaving in 1994.
JP said something in the audio commentary to WDADRU, like "I can't even picture Kev up on stage with us playing Metropolis, with his samples and such".
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I find it interesting that people say, "Oh, the band wouldn't be happy" or "it would be an admission of defeat" and while those things may be true, I find it curious that nobody is addressing the actual music. Frankly, I wouldn't even want Moore back musically. Aside from the fact that JR is god among men when it comes to musicianship, even during Moore's last stint with DT, in Awake, I find that most of the keyboard parts on that album were severely lacking. At best, they're non-intrusive and tolerable, but at worst, they were down right grating. If that's the direction where the electronic aspect of their sound was heading, then I definitely say "no thanks".
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Why even address this? It is what it is.
I will enjoy the music they put out today and not dwell in the past.
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hhhmmmm... to troll, or not to troll. Ah, I'll be nice.
My response is "Go Fish".
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5 Myungs is the name of my all bass quintet.
Your quintet needs to remix Metropolis just using bass sounds and generic '00s MIDI drums.
It would sound incredible but people will be confused as to where the bass solo went.
Also my DT card deck has risen to a new plane of reality with the 5 new Myung cards.
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No. Moore isn't in the prog metal-type headspace anymore, and Mangini's arrival has reinvigorated the band. No need to rock the boat.
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No. Moore isn't in the prog metal-type headspace anymore, and Mangini's arrival has reinvigorated the band. No need to rock the boat.
This...........my answer re Moore may have been different some years ago , but not now.
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No. Moore isn't in the prog metal-type headspace anymore, and Mangini's arrival has reinvigorated the band. No need to rock the boat.
Only need to rock the concert halls, am I right? :metal
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That trade would happen in a heartbeat for me!
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I wouldnt trade anyone for anyone.
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No. Moore isn't in the prog metal-type headspace anymore, and Mangini's arrival has reinvigorated the band. No need to rock the boat.
This is the correct answer! ;)
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no, I like the direction of the band now
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Hmmm...I think not. As disappointing as their latest album is, the current lineup has a lot of potential. Mangini is basically a Rudess on drums, and I think they could come up with all kinds of sick shit if they wanted to. That, however, is what I'm afraid of. I don't think they will. Even if you could bring back one of the original members, it wouldn't make any difference. You can't recreate the magic from that era, because there were so many factors that made it magical.
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If they could exist in some alternate dimension where they are both happy staying with the band, i'd get KM and MP back in a heartbeat. Heck, i'd trade any 1 of Kevin's keyboard solos for Rudess' entire DT soloing output (Octavarium and Solitary Shell are pretty darn great ones, though).
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Seeing the "Would you trade Rudess" part of the title, I didn't really care about the rest. JR is my favourite member of the band. No trading of him at all!
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I said no. While I'm a huge Portnoy fan, I still want to hear more from Mangini. He's an absolute monster behind the kit and they haven't even began to tap into his potential. I wouldn't want him to turn into another Derek, where he's gone before he even gets the chance to put in his best work for them (although Derek being fired did lead to Jordan joining so it worked out for them).
The Jordan for Kevin part was a much easier no. Jordan Rudess was the single greatest thing to happen to Dream Theater. After struggling to find their way musically after Kevin left in 1994, they finally found the missing piece of the puzzle that would tie it all together to get Dream Theater firing on all cylinders. What Jordan brings to the band in terms of musicianship, creativity, and passion can never be overstated. My favorite story that shows how great Jordan is for the band involves what is one of the most popular sections of music in Dream Theater history: the ragtime solo in TDoE. In Jordan's instructional DVD Keyboard Madness, he was giving a little backstory behind the part before he showed the layers in that particular patch. He said that it originally started as this serious riff on the guitar and he just threw out the idea of changing it to a ragtime piano part. The rest of the band went with it and it ended up working perfectly. The ragtime sound fits so well with the craziness of the song, and we have Jordan to thank for coming up with the idea. I can't say enough good things about him. He is the greatest keyboard player of all time and getting rid of him would be making DT worse.
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I definitely voted no..
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Let me think abouNOOOOOOOOOOO...
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Moore is too much of a loner odd ball to come back, as he wouldn't even join them when asked for a anniversary gig a few years ago. Yes, for me Portnoy is and always will be the drummer for Dream Theater and MM is just an awesome fill in.
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How aboot this: Would you trade James LaBrie to have Chris Collins back?
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How aboot this: Would you trade James LaBrie to have Chris Collins back?
:neverusethis:
God no, funny though.
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Yes. I am curious how a new album would sound with the classic line-up. Not that I don't enjoy DT with Mangini or Rudess.
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Why even address this? It is what it is.
I will enjoy the music they put out today and not dwell in the past.
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Yes
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Would trade Rudess immediately, Mangini can stay.
Rudess is a cool dude and all but....
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Moore was good. He had some very good melodies, but he couldn't hold a candle to Rudess even back in the I&W days, let alone now when he probably can't even play as well as he used to. So no, definitely not.
In all fairness, I think it's a bit much to assume he can't play as well as he used to. It could be realistic to presume that he'd be out of practice with DT style material but when you're at the level KM reached (same can probably be said for all the ex DT members), it's just not something you forget. It really is like riding a bike or something, you can't completely forget everything, and at worst you'll just find some things being less familiar until you settle back into it but I'm sure it'd all come back to him. And besides, we might not have seen any public output recently (to be fair; Fire Make Thunder isn't THAT old yet) but I'd be completely surprised if KM is not casually playing anything at all these days.
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In all fairness, I think it's a bit much to assume he can't play as well as he used to. It could be realistic to presume that he'd be out of practice with DT style material but when you're at the level KM reached (same can probably be said for all the ex DT members), it's just not something you forget. It really is like riding a bike or something, you can't completely forget everything, and at worst you'll just find some things being less familiar until you settle back into it but I'm sure it'd all come back to him. And besides, we might not have seen any public output recently (to be fair; Fire Make Thunder isn't THAT old yet) but I'd be completely surprised if KM is not casually playing anything at all these days.
Well, even if that is the case, when Rudess came into the band, he brought a whole new level of dexterity, so I honestly wouldn't believe that KM would be able to play as fast. He'd be playing like, half the notes in some of the songs.
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In all fairness, I think it's a bit much to assume he can't play as well as he used to. It could be realistic to presume that he'd be out of practice with DT style material but when you're at the level KM reached (same can probably be said for all the ex DT members), it's just not something you forget. It really is like riding a bike or something, you can't completely forget everything, and at worst you'll just find some things being less familiar until you settle back into it but I'm sure it'd all come back to him. And besides, we might not have seen any public output recently (to be fair; Fire Make Thunder isn't THAT old yet) but I'd be completely surprised if KM is not casually playing anything at all these days.
Well, even if that is the case, when Rudess came into the band, he brought a whole new level of dexterity, so I honestly wouldn't believe that KM would be able to play as fast. He'd be playing like, half the notes in some of the songs.
Would rather hame keys that brought atmosphere to the song compared to how many notes somebody can play. Kevin Moore has always written better key pieces imo.
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On maybe like 2 or 3 songs. The rest of his key parts aren't anything more special than JR's.
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:umno:
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JR is a great musician and one of the coolest guys in rock, but his playing has never resonated with me the way KM's did. There was always a moodiness to KM's playing and he was really amazing at combining technicality with atmosphere. Even on Awake when he took a step back, his keyboard parts are stellar and fit the album perfectly. And of course his lyrical contribution was (and still is) on another level from what everyone else was doing.
That said, he wouldn't fit in today's DT. Could you imagine him on an album like ADTOE with all his samples and sound effects? It wouldn't work. While I wish DT would go in a slightly less technical direction, the addition of Mangini is only going to push that further and KM would be so out of place in that.
It works out for the better anyway, since KM has OSI which is fucking awesome.
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If I could wave a magic wand and get erase the portion of Jordan's brain that produces those googley-boogley-carnival-on-acid ELP sections, this wouldn't even be a thought. I still wouldn't do it, but those section make me at least think about it.
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I'll take any keyboard part, any keyboard sound, any keyboard solo that Rudess has ever done over most of KM's work on Awake. Outside of Lifting Shadows Off A Dream and Space-Dye Vest, KM's keyboard sounds on Awake range from tolerable, to outright annoying.
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The Jordan for Kevin part was a much easier no. Jordan Rudess was the single greatest thing to happen to Dream Theater. After struggling to find their way musically after Kevin left in 1994, they finally found the missing piece of the puzzle that would tie it all together to get Dream Theater firing on all cylinders. What Jordan brings to the band in terms of musicianship, creativity, and passion can never be overstated. My favorite story that shows how great Jordan is for the band involves what is one of the most popular sections of music in Dream Theater history: the ragtime solo in TDoE. In Jordan's instructional DVD Keyboard Madness, he was giving a little backstory behind the part before he showed the layers in that particular patch. He said that it originally started as this serious riff on the guitar and he just threw out the idea of changing it to a ragtime piano part. The rest of the band went with it and it ended up working perfectly. The ragtime sound fits so well with the craziness of the song, and we have Jordan to thank for coming up with the idea. I can't say enough good things about him. He is the greatest keyboard player of all time and getting rid of him would be making DT worse.
Quoting this because this guy gets it. Rudess is a genius, and irreplaceable.
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I prefer Kevin to Jordan, but Kevin has been in a totally different place musically for almost 20 years now, and there's no way he'd fit into DT at this point. Even if he was willing to rejoin, I wouldn't want him to come back, because that would give him (even) less time for OSI and solo projects. Jordan has had his bad moments (like the Bebot solo), but he's a great musician and the perfect fit for modern DT.
Moore was good. He had some very good melodies, but he couldn't hold a candle to Rudess even back in the I&W days, let alone now when he probably can't even play as well as he used to. So no, definitely not.
In all fairness, I think it's a bit much to assume he can't play as well as he used to. It could be realistic to presume that he'd be out of practice with DT style material but when you're at the level KM reached (same can probably be said for all the ex DT members), it's just not something you forget. It really is like riding a bike or something, you can't completely forget everything, and at worst you'll just find some things being less familiar until you settle back into it but I'm sure it'd all come back to him. And besides, we might not have seen any public output recently (to be fair; Fire Make Thunder isn't THAT old yet) but I'd be completely surprised if KM is not casually playing anything at all these days.
Exactly. Dead Air for Radios and Fates Warning's APSOG include some pretty intricate piano parts - I know both were released over 15 years ago, but that doesn't mean all his skills have disappeared.
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JR for KM = NOPE. I fucking love Good'ol Kevin Moore, but his style is completely different from current DT (I mean, his preferences being different from DT is what made him leave the band in '94 back then, imagine now). Jordan has become a major creative force on DT these years and has already a blueprint on the band's creative output. So yeah, totally no.
Now MM for MP I'm not so sure. MM is a fantastic drummer and I think the fact that the last two albums were so good are in part thanks to him. I can see MP coming back since his ASS AND BALLS A7X and AMob phase is over, and of course for some nostalgia here but... DT has gone on without him and if he came back he'd probably find JM JR and JP not counting on him when composing the song. And that would piss him off a lot. I'd probably wait a while until a reunion/anniversary show to see him on the band again. For now, MM fits like a glove.
you know the goal of the game is to not be the last guy with the Charlie card.
Wait, what? Last time I got a Chris Collins by accident and automatically lost the game!
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JP for KM = NOPE.
yes JP for KM would leave a bit of a hole ;D
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JP for KM = NOPE.
yes JP for KM would leave a bit of a hole ;D
Well, Kevin does play guitar ;)
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hahahaha Fix'd. you got me there :rollin
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I don't agree with the point that Kevin wouldn't fit with DT musically any more. The guy still writes heavy, interesting, and somewhat progressive music. His flavor of those musical influences could really add to what DT has been doing, and most importantly, he's another completely capable full-song writer. The songwriting and melodic choices could really use some variety after ADTOE and DT12, in my opinion.
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JP for KM = NOPE.
yes JP for KM would leave a bit of a hole ;D
Well, Kevin does play guitar ;)
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Nope... KM was so adamant about voting NO himself that he had a t-shirt made.
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I don't agree with the point that Kevin wouldn't fit with DT musically any more. The guy still writes heavy, interesting, and somewhat progressive music. His flavor of those musical influences could really add to what DT has been doing, and most importantly, he's another completely capable full-song writer. The songwriting and melodic choices could really use some variety after ADTOE and DT12, in my opinion.
I don't know how big on collaboration he would be at this point, although I would love to hear what present-day KM could come up with alongside JP again.
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Hmm, ya know, if Jim Matheos is at least equal with JP as a songwriter, you have to wonder whether OSI would give DT a run for their money if it weren't for Kevin Moore's monotone vocals. If DT reunited with Moore and Portnoy and it wound up sounded like a more melodic OSI, I could really dig it.
Though Dream Theater was a much better album than whatever the new OSI was called - completely forgettable.
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Fire Make Thunder was amazing, and besides, it's a totally different kind of thing than what DT's doing.
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Fire Make Thunder was amazing, and besides, it's a totally different kind of thing than what DT's doing.
This. Yea, he still writes heavy music with a progressive edge, but it's still completely different to what DT does. There's no way that any of the DT albums are even remotely similar to what Kevin has done with OSI or any of his other projects, with the obvious exception of Fates Warning.
Also, Kevin's voice fits OSI perfectly.
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Yes, i absolutely do!
Rudess is surely more technical but i really LOVED Moore's keyboard, his taste for melody, his sound, his lyrics...and how he was able to stay "behind" in some part of their early songs, he wasn't soloing for the 99.9% of the songs as JR does.
And about MP and MM, well, it's not a secret that i don't like MM sound and musical taste...MP was the heart of this band.
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Hmm, ya know, if Jim Matheos is at least equal with JP as a songwriter, you have to wonder whether OSI would give DT a run for their money if it weren't for Kevin Moore's monotone vocals. If DT reunited with Moore and Portnoy and it wound up sounded like a more melodic OSI, I could really dig it.
Though Dream Theater was a much better album than whatever the new OSI was called - completely forgettable.
I always thought the first OSI album sounded more like DT than anything else KM has made. Dunno if that's cause MP was more involved with those sessions than the second time or if it's a coincidence but the compositions always felt like they had more of that progressive metal edge on the first album. I think OSI has been getting a bit more electronic/experimental (which is a very KM kinda thing to do in fairness).
Anyway, mainly quoting for vocal comment. I don't even mind KMs vocals, but I do think they get a bit boring sometimes. I don't mean it as an insult because sometimes that kind of talking/singing style works perfectly for some of the music he makes. But some of the songs call for a bit more... Singing... Like that one song on the third album where that guy from that other band sings (excuse my ignorance I can't remember for the life of me, it was either Porcupine Tree or Opeth dude :lol). But the proper singing makes it one of the best songs on the album IMO. And if KM got in professional vocalists more often I think OSI could be so much more. Also, I never really got into the latest OSI album but in all fairness I've only heard it like once or twice, I thought Blood (third album) was a lot more memorable though.
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Meh however I think the leftovers should collect their asses together and form a pre-current DT band that tours the world and play DT song current DT never do.
Line-up:
Mike Portnoy - Drums
Charlie Dominici - Vocals
Derek Sherinian - Keytar
Kevin Moore - Keyboard
Chris Collins - Bass and back vocals/poetry/rap
Alternative line-up:
Mike Portnoy - Vocals
Charlie Dominici - Keyboard
Derek Sherinian - Synthbass
Kevin Moore - Drum Loops
Chris Collins - Guitar
Ultimate prog line-up:
Mike Portnoy - Drums, vocals, bass and guitar
Charlie Dominici - Vocals, guitar, harmonica and keyboard
Derek Sherinian - Keyboard and guitar
Kevin Moore - Keyboards, vocals and bass
Chris Collins - Guitar and vocals
I see potential in this.
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Potential lols maybe. :neverusethis:
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I really have no desire to hear anything with Charlie Dominici on it, lol
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To be fair, he sounds a lot better on his more recent solo albums than he did on WDADU. WDADU didn't have well written vocal melodies that were very singable, and the range didn't fit his voice at all. Amateur songwriting plus a vocalist trying to be something he's not was not a good combo.
That said, he still wouldn't be high up my list of vocalists for any potential DT related project. Having a standout vocalist is important imo.
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To be fair, he sounds a lot better on his more recent solo albums than he did on WDADU. WDADU didn't have well written vocal melodies that were very singable, and the range didn't fit his voice at all. Amateur songwriting plus a vocalist trying to be something he's not was not a good combo.
That said, he still wouldn't be high up my list of vocalists for any potential DT related project. Having a standout vocalist is important imo.
Not to mention that whatever he's doing now is his own project, so he'll obviously work with a comfortable range, and not try to push himself to heights he's incapable of.
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To be fair, he sounds a lot better on his more recent solo albums than he did on WDADU. WDADU didn't have well written vocal melodies that were very singable, and the range didn't fit his voice at all. Amateur songwriting plus a vocalist trying to be something he's not was not a good combo.
That said, he still wouldn't be high up my list of vocalists for any potential DT related project. Having a standout vocalist is important imo.
Not to mention that he's batshit crazy.
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I would have Moore back, because he made everything sound great, without having 7000000 different things, wotsits and hubaloos on stage. I wouldn't have Portnoy back though, because Mangini is a better drummer and a better person.
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To be fair, he sounds a lot better on his more recent solo albums than he did on WDADU. WDADU didn't have well written vocal melodies that were very singable, and the range didn't fit his voice at all. Amateur songwriting plus a vocalist trying to be something he's not was not a good combo.
That said, he still wouldn't be high up my list of vocalists for any potential DT related project. Having a standout vocalist is important imo.
Not to mention that he's batshit crazy.
Well yeah, there's that too, if you want to get technical. :lol
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Hmm, ya know, if Jim Matheos is at least equal with JP as a songwriter
He is! ;)
you have to wonder whether OSI would give DT a run for their money if it weren't for Kevin Moore's monotone vocals. If DT reunited with Moore and Portnoy and it wound up sounded like a more melodic OSI, I could really dig it.
Kevin's vocals are perfect for OSI's style IMO - a singer like JLB would be totally out of place on songs like Wind Won't Howl and For Nothing.
I don't know if you've heard Fates Warning, but you should give them a try. Disconnected is musically similar to the first OSI album and even features KM on keys. Their new album doesn't include any keys, but a lot of the riffs are OSIish and one song has lyrics written by Kevin. Ray Alder sings on both records and his vocals are more melodic and high-pitched than Kevin's.
I don't agree with the point that Kevin wouldn't fit with DT musically any more. The guy still writes heavy, interesting, and somewhat progressive music. His flavor of those musical influences could really add to what DT has been doing, and most importantly, he's another completely capable full-song writer. The songwriting and melodic choices could really use some variety after ADTOE and DT12, in my opinion.
I think the heaviness in OSI comes mainly from Jim, while Kevin comes up with a lot of the more spacey and Chroma Keyish ideas. The reason I don't think Kevin would fit in modern DT is that his songwriting relies on atmosphere, whereas DT have always been about technicality - they've gone in opposite directions. A mesh of their styles would be interesting, but I'm not sure either side would be willing to compromise that much. On top of that, KM isn't really a team player: one of the reasons he left DT and hasn't joined any full-time band since his departure is that he prefers to work alone. Of course he's collaborating with Jim in OSI, but that's just a duo and they have a good songwriting chemistry.
I always thought the first OSI album sounded more like DT than anything else KM has made. Dunno if that's cause MP was more involved with those sessions than the second time or if it's a coincidence but the compositions always felt like they had more of that progressive metal edge on the first album. I think OSI has been getting a bit more electronic/experimental (which is a very KM kinda thing to do in fairness).
Well, Jim started writing for the first OSI album before Kevin joined, and at first the songs were much longer and closer to standard prog metal, but once Kevin came in he started chopping the songs up, adding spoken word samples and electronics etc. On all the later albums he's been involved right from the start, so his influence on the material has been stronger, which has led to a more electronic sound.
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To be fair, he sounds a lot better on his more recent solo albums than he did on WDADU. WDADU didn't have well written vocal melodies that were very singable, and the range didn't fit his voice at all. Amateur songwriting plus a vocalist trying to be something he's not was not a good combo.
That said, he still wouldn't be high up my list of vocalists for any potential DT related project. Having a standout vocalist is important imo.
Not to mention that he's batshit crazy.
Well yeah, there's that too, if you want to get technical. :lol
Well, it's my # 1 criteria when deciding whether or not to work with someone. So he definitely fails.
While I don't think KM is crazy, he definitely seems like he wouldn't necessarily work well with others.
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I voted No.... the ONLY thing I miss from MP, is his...groove? Sometimes MM is a bit mechanical to me and lacks that groove factor. Not sure how to explain it but, that would be the only thing I miss about MP. As far as KM over JR? No....
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Why even address this? It is what it is.
I will enjoy the music they put out today and not dwell in the past.
/thread.
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It would definitely be interesting to listen to the product of an album with the current line-up, except KM and not JR, but that's just for hypothetical enjoyment. I adore JR and would never trade him for KM. And I'd never change MM for MP, either. So my vote went with no. By the way, why does the poll say JP?
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DT's going to phase out guitar in favor of a dual-keyboardist approach.
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Only reason why I could see someone answering "yes" is pure nostalgia. Too bad it would be at the expense of the music and thank God this will never happen.
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Rudess is surely more technical but i really LOVED Moore's keyboard, his taste for melody, his sound, his lyrics...and how he was able to stay "behind" in some part of their early songs, he wasn't soloing for the 99.9% of the songs as JR does.
See, this complaint which gets thrown out a lot, I don't get. Listen to Illumination Theory, as just one example. Tell me how you can say with a straight face that JR does not know when to take a back seat in that song and was soloing a lot of the time. Actually, tell me one song in DT12 where JR was going batshit crazy in a soloing spree in almost the whole song.
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No. Moore has no interest in Dream Theater's brand of prog metal, and he would never rejoin in any event, while Portnoy pretty much burnt himself out on meaningful ideas for DT, and in his later years with the band his control freakishness was pushing them into modern metal musical territory for which they were ill suited while simultaneously holding back their more melodic side. Each, in their own way, grew beyond what they could contribute to Dream Theater, and while I appreciate their legacy with the band, I feel their time in DT was ultimately fated to be limited.
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I would probably say yes. I look at DT as a band who has gotten a bit too comfortable and stuck in their zone. I think bringing Kevin Moore back (moreso than Mike Portnoy) would lead to a shift in dynamics, and the band might write something very different for their next album. It's not like I consider Kevin Moore to be a more technical or better player than Jordan, it's just that the shift in dynamics could result in something cool for an album.
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Meh however I think the leftovers should collect their asses together and form a pre-current DT band that tours the world and play DT song current DT never do.
Line-up:
Mike Portnoy - Drums
Charlie Dominici - Vocals
Derek Sherinian - Keytar
Kevin Moore - Keyboard
Chris Collins - Bass and back vocals/poetry/rap
Alternative line-up:
Mike Portnoy - Vocals
Charlie Dominici - Keyboard
Derek Sherinian - Synthbass
Kevin Moore - Drum Loops
Chris Collins - Guitar
Ultimate prog line-up:
Mike Portnoy - Drums, vocals, bass and guitar
Charlie Dominici - Vocals, guitar, harmonica and keyboard
Derek Sherinian - Keyboard and guitar
Kevin Moore - Keyboards, vocals and bass
Chris Collins - Guitar and vocals
I see potential in this.
Yes. They would get the sole rights to Metropolis Part 2 and then have a cage match on the stage after being together for about 5 minutes. Such an event would be entertainment second only to DT themselves.
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I'd trade everyone aside from JP for MP to return!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :metal
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Think I would like Kevin Moore back but not Mike portnoy. Kevin's playing was so atmospheric and emotional. Almost eerie in a beautiful way. I like Jordan but on so many of their epic songs it just seems like he is showing off his talent. I know he is a great musician...no doubt. But sometimes its over the top. Mike is also awesome....just amazing but I didn't like where the band was headed during the SC and BCSL years. I have loved the direction the band took on ADTOE and DT.
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Think I would like Kevin Moore back but not Mike portnoy. Kevin's playing was so atmospheric and emotional. Almost eerie in a beautiful way. I like Jordan but on so many of their epic songs it just seems like he is showing off his talent. I know he is a great musician...no doubt. But sometimes its over the top. Mike is also awesome....just amazing but I didn't like where the band was headed during the SC and BCSL years. I have loved the direction the band took on ADTOE and DT.
I agree in every way.
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I'd trade everyone aside from JP for MP to return!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :metal
This man. I'm a big Jordan fan, but I'd take the hit to get MP back.
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Nope. Rudess and Mangini FTW!
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For Moore and Portnoy? Probably not. Moore doesn't have much interest in rock or metal anymore, does he?
For Portnoy and Sherinian? In a heartbeat. Even though I love Jordan's playing, I think Derek is a tremendous player and I feel that he deserved a longer stint in the band. Heck, just have Jordan and Derek in the band with Portnoy on drums, like on WDADR; no need to replace Jordan at all.
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No, but I'd trade MM for Peart.
I am a die hard Rush fan who has seen the band over 40 times but Neil Peart just couldn't play some of the stuff DT plays with MM.
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I would absolutely trade Mangini for Portnoy, but not Rudess for Moore.
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Wouldn't trade JR for KM, and I like to think that I wouldn't trade MM for MP, but I'm afraid I would actually trade. When I saw the documentary about the drummers I found MM almost too energetic, and that made me really like him. Now when I see some videos of the current tour he seems bored. He did an excelent job on DT12, but something about his presence makes me think about the trade you proposed. I'm going to see them live for the first time 10/02, hope he proves me wrong. And I have a weird problem with him never playing in the classic position right hand in hihat and left in the snare, crossing the arms :lol .
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I think this thread is somehow predicated on the idea that this trade would bring back the splendor of when that combination was around. I gotta be perfectly honest, but I think no combination of current or previous DT members would create another IAW or SFAM.
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I think this thread is somehow predicated on the idea that this trade would bring back the splendor of when that combination was around. I gotta be perfectly honest, but I think no combination of current or previous DT members would create another IAW or SFAM.
Thank god this is just all meant for fun then. Of course bringing back an older member doesn't mean they'll create another I&W or Scenes
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Wouldn't trade JR for KM, and I like to think that I wouldn't trade MM for MP, but I'm afraid I would actually trade. When I saw the documentary about the drummers I found MM almost too energetic, and that made me really like him. Now when I see some videos of the current tour he seems bored. He did an excelent job on DT12, but something about his presence makes me think about the trade you proposed. I'm going to see them live for the first time 10/02, hope he proves me wrong. And I have a weird problem with him never playing in the classic position right hand in hihat and left in the snare, crossing the arms :lol .
One thing I noticed in the bootleg videos is that "energetic" MM that you saw in the documentary shows up when he is doing drums for osngs that were done during his tenure. Maybe the drum patterns were more attuned to his drum setup and playing style, so he can play more loosely. For example, his joy in drumming Illumination Theory shows in the various clips in Youtube.
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Wouldn't trade JR for KM, and I like to think that I wouldn't trade MM for MP, but I'm afraid I would actually trade. When I saw the documentary about the drummers I found MM almost too energetic, and that made me really like him. Now when I see some videos of the current tour he seems bored. He did an excelent job on DT12, but something about his presence makes me think about the trade you proposed. I'm going to see them live for the first time 10/02, hope he proves me wrong. And I have a weird problem with him never playing in the classic position right hand in hihat and left in the snare, crossing the arms :lol .
One thing I noticed in the bootleg videos is that "energetic" MM that you saw in the documentary shows up when he is doing drums for osngs that were done during his tenure. Maybe the drum patterns were more attuned to his drum setup and playing style, so he can play more loosely. For example, his joy in drumming Illumination Theory shows in the various clips in Youtube.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I just saw some videos and didn't even noticed if it was a song of his period in the band or not. But again, I really hope I see what you're saying on the show and he proves me wrong, I really like the guy and the things he's been doing on the new songs. But I still consider the trade.
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I think you'll find MM very precise and concentrating on his playing, but do not underestimate the playfulness and personality that he shows during the show.
MP played live shows like he was a teenager playing in his bedroom, and that was always my favorite part of being a DT fan, but I am in no way disappointed with MM live.
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I think this thread is somehow predicated on the idea that this trade would bring back the splendor of when that combination was around. I gotta be perfectly honest, but I think no combination of current or previous DT members would create another IAW or SFAM.
Judging by the last 2 albums they don't need to! They are doing just fine.
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In a heartbeat. I think Rudess and Mangini are both far better at what they do, freakish levels of musicianship, but Moore and Portnoy were both much better at what I want from Dream Theater.
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In a heartbeat. I think Rudess and Mangini are both far better at what they do, freakish levels of musicianship, but Moore and Portnoy were both much better at what I want from Dream Theater.
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