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Title: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: KevShmev on July 20, 2014, 09:25:26 AM
Okay, it's time for a new Opeth thread, since the other one has runs it course, and I think it would be nice if we didn't discuss the new album until it's officially out in stores.  If the mods want to keep the other one open in the meantime until then, so the early listeners can discuss it there, fine by me, but since some of us want to wait to hear it, I think it'd be nice to have an Opeth thread that we can read without spoilers, yes? :)

In the meantime, discuss all other things Opeth.

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on August 26th!!
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 20, 2014, 10:19:16 AM
I thought threads were supposed to reach 100 pages or so before a new version is needed. We're only a little over halfway there. :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 20, 2014, 11:15:20 AM
Yeah, but this is for people who don't wanna have spoilers fuck it up for them.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 20, 2014, 12:23:55 PM
Well since PC is off limits in here, can we just take a moment to talk about how great, and underrated, Morningrise is? It's been battling with Still Life for my 2nd place spot, behind Ghost Reveries, for a few months now.

The Night and the Silent Water  :heart
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 20, 2014, 12:44:34 PM
I think I'd like Morningrise more if the production wasn't so sterile-sounding.

And if it didn't have Black Rose Immortal on it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Jaq on July 20, 2014, 12:47:52 PM
I think I'd like Morningrise more if the production wasn't so sterile-sounding.

And if it didn't have Black Rose Immortal on it.

 >:( :censored

 :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: bout to crash on July 20, 2014, 02:13:07 PM
 :lol

And yay new thread!

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 20, 2014, 04:50:19 PM
My top 5 underrated Opeth songs:

1. The Twilight is my Robe

2. Hours of Wealth

3. The Funeral Portrait

4. Karma

5. Nectar
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 20, 2014, 05:22:39 PM
3. The Funeral Portrait

4. Karma

5. Nectar

Those are all great.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 20, 2014, 05:27:48 PM
interesting ranking (before people quibble over what consitutes "underrated Opeth" – i'd say anything off the first two is a valid choice except "Forest of October" and "To Bid You Farewell")

1. The Funeral Portrait
2. The Amen Corner
3. Black Rose Immortal
4. Karma
5. Godhead's Lament
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Big Hath on July 20, 2014, 07:18:33 PM
My top 5 underrated Opeth songs:

1. The Twilight is my Robe

2. Hours of Wealth

3. The Funeral Portrait

4. Karma

5. Nectar

you're no longer a member of the "By The Pain I See In Others" Defenders Club?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 20, 2014, 07:22:37 PM
I honestly think The Funeral Portrait is my favorite Opeth song. I was unaware of it being underrated.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: adace on July 20, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
My top 5 (arguably) underrated post-Still Life songs:

1. Wreath
2. Weakness
3. Hessian Peel
4. Nepenthe
5. Face in the Snow
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on July 20, 2014, 10:10:11 PM
I don't listen to The Funeral Portrait that often, but I always enjoy it a lot when I do.

On the flip side, it is really aggravating to me that The Leper Affinity and Dirge for November both have fantastic mellow outros in songs I otherwise don't care for that much.  I mean, I don't dislike either, but neither does much for me, aside from those outros.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on July 20, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Man, Dirge is my favorite Opeth song by far and away.

I still think it has the most amazing into and outro of any song of all the times. Every one of them. Dat outro....dat outro makes me feel the feels of the November SO HARD.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 20, 2014, 10:27:12 PM
The intro and outro to Dirge are great. The rest of the song... not so much.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on July 20, 2014, 10:33:34 PM
I think it brings the song full circle. I definitely love the intro and outro more than the middle section, but I still love it; it's an absolute black hole in the middle of a field of flowers. The lyrics and tone...some of the lowest singing from Akerfeldt throughout...it's especially encompassing towards the end and then just lets you go and it's back to the beauty. I wouldn't appreciate the beginning and end nearly as much if it were mellow throughout. But to each earhole's own.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 20, 2014, 11:17:12 PM
My top 5 underrated Opeth songs:

1. The Twilight is my Robe

2. Hours of Wealth

3. The Funeral Portrait

4. Karma

5. Nectar

you're no longer a member of the "By The Pain I See In Others" Defenders Club?

I definitely am but I have trouble thinking of which track to omit from this list.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on July 21, 2014, 07:58:48 AM
I definitely am a big fan of Hours of Wealth.  That and Isolation Years are two of my favorite mellow Opeth tunes, and big reasons why Ghost Reveries is one of my favorite Opeth records. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2014, 08:12:33 AM
If we're talking underrated, I would say:

1. The Twilight Is My Robe
2. The Amen Corner
3. Masters Apprentices
4. Weakness
5. Isolation Years

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on July 21, 2014, 08:35:39 AM
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Man, Dirge is my favorite Opeth song by far and away.

I still think it has the most amazing into and outro of any song of all the times. Every one of them. Dat outro....dat outro makes me feel the feels of the November SO HARD.

Definitely. Every moment on Dirge and Leper are just perfect. In fact, I'd argue that every moment on Blackwater Park is near-perfect.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattlehead on July 21, 2014, 08:49:52 AM
If I had to make a top 5 for underrated Opeth songs it would look something like this as of now…

1. Karma
2. By The Pain I See In Others
3. The Amen Corner
4. Nectar
5. Isolation Years

I was pleasantly surprised to see so many people giving Karma and The Amen Corner some love  :heart
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: 425 on July 21, 2014, 09:01:29 AM
Honestly, I think the second half of Blackwater Park significantly outshines the first. It's carried of course by the excellence of the song Blackwater Park, but Dirge for November and The Funeral Portrait are both brilliant pieces in their own right. Dirge for November was the first Opeth song with growls that I got into, and that's in no small part because the growls are so subdued compared to their other songs. Those low growls really fit the mood of the song and the lyrics, and they're what convinced me that BWP would not be totally inaccessible to me. Meanwhile, The Funeral Portrait just has some great energetic riffs and well-crafted vocals, which make it just a great listen. And the moment when Steven Wilson comes in at the end is one of the best Opeth moments, in my opinion. And even though Patterns in the Ivy is a short little transition piece, it's an incredibly evocative one that is actually one of my favorites on the album. In fact, I think I'd rank all the songs from the second half of BWP higher than all the songs from the first half of BWP. And I do like the songs from the first half of BWP.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Rattlehead on July 21, 2014, 09:11:36 AM
Meanwhile, The Funeral Portrait just has some great energetic riffs and well-crafted vocals, which make it just a great listen. And the moment when Steven Wilson comes in at the end is one of the best Opeth moments, in my opinion.

I wholeheartedly agree with this  :tup Definitely one of my favorite Opeth songs and that ending is also one of my favorite goose bump inducing Opeth moments  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 21, 2014, 10:04:03 AM
If we're talking underrated, I would say:

1. The Twilight Is My Robe
2. The Amen Corner
3. Masters Apprentices
4. Weakness
5. Isolation Years

Master's Apprentices is underrated?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2014, 10:12:48 AM
If we're talking underrated, I would say:

1. The Twilight Is My Robe
2. The Amen Corner
3. Masters Apprentices
4. Weakness
5. Isolation Years

Master's Apprentices is underrated?

I actually see a lot of people hate on it sadly. Personally I think it's one of their best.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on July 21, 2014, 10:16:57 AM
Master's Apprentices nicely sits in the middle for me as far as Deliverance goes.  It doesn't touch the title track or A Fair Judgment, but it's far better than Wreath or By the Pain I See in Others, neither of which I dislike.

Oh, and regarding BWP, Patterns in the Ivy is one of my favorite pieces of Opeth music ever.  The piano is so damn mesmerizing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Basekick on July 21, 2014, 01:59:40 PM
Meanwhile, The Funeral Portrait just has some great energetic riffs and well-crafted vocals, which make it just a great listen. And the moment when Steven Wilson comes in at the end is one of the best Opeth moments, in my opinion.

I wholeheartedly agree with this  :tup Definitely one of my favorite Opeth songs and that ending is also one of my favorite goose bump inducing Opeth moments  :metal

Seriously that outro is fantastic. 

But for the record, the best song off of BWP is The Drapery Falls and it's not even close.  Considering BWP is my Opeth favorite album and I adore every single song on this album, that says a lot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on July 21, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
Honestly, it's really hard to compare and make all the songs on BWP compete with each other. They all have such different, but insane strengths that I'm hard-pressed to name my favorite song overall from the album off the top of my head, and I think that's part of why it's without a doubt my favorite Opeth album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2014, 02:40:50 PM
One of the weirdest things for me is that I do not remember Dirge For November or The Funeral Portrait at all. I've listened to Blackwater Park probably a good 35-40 spins (if not more) over the years, and whenever I hear the songs, I go "oh yeah, this is THAT song", but as soon as the album ends, any memory about both songs just leave my brain. I know one starts off calmer and I think the other one starts off heavier, but I honestly don't remember. I think the word "forgettable" is harsh, but my main problem that has always prevented me from placing BWP as my very favorite is the fact that neither Funeral Portrait or Dirge clicked. They're both fine tracks, they just never clicked for me. I'm able to identify what makes them good and I can see why others would like them, but it's kinda like a movie people praise, and when you watch it, your reaction is "that was cool I guess".

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: 425 on July 21, 2014, 02:45:45 PM
I know one starts off calmer and I think the other one starts off heavier, but I honestly don't remember.

Well, you remember that, at least. Dirge and Funeral, respectively.  :tup

And that's unfortunate that they don't do anything for you, but to each his own, I suppose.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on July 21, 2014, 04:12:57 PM
Also like to throw massive love to Harvest. Another song I feel encompass the Opeth-vibe perfectly. Basically BWP's vibe gives me the fall feels and makes me all tingly in my jingleballs.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2014, 05:45:43 PM
For a chat about favorite Opeth songs I see a dissapointing lack of Ghost Of Perdition
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 21, 2014, 10:05:42 PM
Ghost of Perdition is ridiculously good. Seems like it's one of those songs where it's just a given that it's everyone's favorite.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: PolarizeMe on July 21, 2014, 10:31:02 PM
Basically BWP's vibe gives me the fall feels and makes me all tingly in my jingleballs.

All of Opeth's albums give me an autumn vibe, but Damnation also gives me a rainy day vibe and sometimes a Winter vibe strangely enough.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: PolarizeMe on July 21, 2014, 10:31:26 PM
I'd say Windowpane is my top 10 favorites, but I have the feeling that it can also be considered an overrated song off of Damnation by some. I just love End Credits though...might be my favorite of the few Opeth instrumentals.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Onno on July 22, 2014, 02:43:36 AM
Thanks Kev for creating this thread!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 22, 2014, 07:48:43 AM
Demon Of The Fall  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 22, 2014, 08:36:32 AM
When :metal
Also, I love Dirge for November but The Funeral Portrait didn't click with me (yet).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2014, 08:57:41 AM
Ghost of Perdition is ridiculously good. Seems like it's one of those songs where it's just a given that it's everyone's favorite.

Agreed.  Same thing with Bleak and The Drapery Falls, which is why I think some like to point out how much they love the other songs on Blackwater Park.  It's kind of like, "Hey, there are other great songs on that record, too!" :lol :metal

Thanks Kev for creating this thread!

 :coolio
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: TAC on July 22, 2014, 09:04:14 AM
Ghost of Perdition is ridiculously good. Seems like it's one of those songs where it's just a given that it's everyone's favorite.

OK. I am NOT an Opeth guy. I hate the growls, and while I yearn for clean vocals, Ackerfedt's are terrible. Enough depreciating.

A few years back I asked a guy at work to make me an Opeth Compilation, and Ghost Of Perdition stood out. I bought Ghost Reveries, and I do like that. Reverie/Harlequin Forest is my favorite.

I have a copy of Watershed, but have only listened once.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on July 22, 2014, 09:11:49 AM
Ghost of Perdition is ridiculously good. Seems like it's one of those songs where it's just a given that it's everyone's favorite.

OK. I am NOT an Opeth guy. I hate the growls, and while I yearn for clean vocals, Ackerfedt's are terrible. Enough depreciating.

A few years back I asked a guy at work to make me an Opeth Compilation, and Ghost Of Perdition stood out. I bought Ghost Reveries, and I do like that. Reverie/Harlequin Forest is my favorite.

I have a copy of Watershed, but have only listened once.

If you don't dig Mikael's vocals (which are THE SHIT btw), then Opeth might not be for you unless you enjoy the instrumentation and musicianship enough to overlook them, so it doesn't surprise me that Ghost Reveries has stood out for you. :tup

Watershed might also jive well with you, as well as certain songs from Blackwater Park such as Harvest or Patterns in the Ivy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: TAC on July 22, 2014, 09:22:09 AM
as well as certain songs from Blackwater Park such as Harvest or Patterns in the Ivy.

I'll check them out over lunch.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2014, 03:12:02 PM
I would also recommend Dirge for November, also from Blackwater Park. It's a largely instrumental song, with a few lines of clean singing at the beginning and a growled passage towards the end. But the growls in this particular track aren't like Mikael's usual growls—in this song, he's way more subdued than usual and it's way more atmospheric than "brutal." It was the first Opeth song with growls that I learned to like.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: PixelDream on July 23, 2014, 06:06:53 PM
I've been a fan since BWP, and Windowpane has grown to be my absolute favorite Opeth song. I still don't know what's so great about it.. Maybe because it's chill and doesn't try too hard to be anything. Maybe it's the vocal melodies or the nice guitar tones. It just straight out rules my world forever.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 23, 2014, 06:07:12 PM
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Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: PolarizeMe on August 13, 2014, 09:38:15 AM
Opeth are touring in the US this December with In Flames. Opeth will headline each night. List of tour dates are below:

12/3 - Riviera Theater | Chicago, IL
12/4 - Mill City Nights | Minneapolis, MN
12/5 - Sokol Auditorium | Omaha, NE
12/6 - Ogden Theater | Denver, CO
12/8 - Warfield | San Francisco, CA
12/9 - Palladium | Los Angeles, CA
12/10 - The Marquee Theater | Tempe, AZ
12/12 - Warehouse Live | Houston, TX
12/13 - Gas Monkey Live | Dallas, TX
12/15 - Tabernacle | Atlanta, GA
12/17 - Electric Factory | Philadelphia, PA
12/18 - Terminal 5 | New York, N.Y.
12/19 - Palladium | Worcester, MA
12/20 - Metropolis | Montreal, QC
12/21 - Koolhaus | Toronto, ONT
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: senecadawg2 on August 13, 2014, 10:14:45 AM
In the article I saw, Mikael said that this will be the first of two NA tours. Hopefully there will be shows closer to me in that one.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Dark Castle on August 13, 2014, 10:20:55 AM
Opeth are touring in the US this December with In Flames. Opeth will headline each night. List of tour dates are below:

12/3 - Riviera Theater | Chicago, IL
12/4 - Mill City Nights | Minneapolis, MN
12/5 - Sokol Auditorium | Omaha, NE
12/6 - Ogden Theater | Denver, CO
12/8 - Warfield | San Francisco, CA
12/9 - Palladium | Los Angeles, CA
12/10 - The Marquee Theater | Tempe, AZ
12/12 - Warehouse Live | Houston, TX
12/13 - Gas Monkey Live | Dallas, TX
12/15 - Tabernacle | Atlanta, GA
12/17 - Electric Factory | Philadelphia, PA
12/18 - Terminal 5 | New York, N.Y.
12/19 - Palladium | Worcester, MA
12/20 - Metropolis | Montreal, QC
12/21 - Koolhaus | Toronto, ONT
Red Fang is also part of this tour, and the only band I'd want to go an see :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ? on August 13, 2014, 10:25:36 AM
Interesting bill... Both Opeth and IF have a death metal background (from which they've shifted away), yet they sound nothing alike.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: PolarizeMe on August 13, 2014, 12:22:05 PM
Red Fang is also part of this tour, and the only band I'd want to go an see :lol

Red Fang? Really?! Heard a couple of their songs, they're very good indeed. I'm looking more forward to seeing them than In Flames to be honest!  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2014, 12:30:57 PM
It's kinda telling how Opeth has surpassed In Flames and are now headlining. In this case not even so much Opeth becoming better with each album, but In Flames has been in a steady decline for 15 years or so, and the last 3 albums or so have just been painful. Come Clarity was their last decent album IMO. Clayman/Whoracle/Colony is where its at.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Dark Castle on August 13, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Here's a poster that has Red Fang on it.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Opeth-In-Flames-Red-Fang-Tour.jpg?resize=620%2C871)

By the way, if you live in the Minneapolis/St.Paul area, Mill City Nights is a wonderful venue.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 13, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
CANNOT wait for this! Definitely be at that Chicago show!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 13, 2014, 04:31:18 PM
Yo Nelly, you down for another show if they come our way? Also are you down TOX?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ? on August 13, 2014, 11:25:10 PM
It's kinda telling how Opeth has surpassed In Flames and are now headlining. In this case not even so much Opeth becoming better with each album, but In Flames has been in a steady decline for 15 years or so, and the last 3 albums or so have just been painful. Come Clarity was their last decent album IMO. Clayman/Whoracle/Colony is where its at.
Actually it's a co-headlining tour, hence the name Communion of Sirens.

But yeah, I agree with you on In Flames. Most of the post-Reroute to Remain stuff is pretty uninspired (Come Clarity is alright though) and Anders' attempts at singing can be pretty awful at times.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Dark Castle on August 13, 2014, 11:28:08 PM
It's kinda telling how Opeth has surpassed In Flames and are now headlining. In this case not even so much Opeth becoming better with each album, but In Flames has been in a steady decline for 15 years or so, and the last 3 albums or so have just been painful. Come Clarity was their last decent album IMO. Clayman/Whoracle/Colony is where its at.
Actually it's a co-headlining tour, hence the name Communion of Sirens.

But yeah, I agree with you on In Flames. Most of the post-Reroute to Remain stuff is pretty uninspired (Come Clarity is alright though) and Anders' attempts at singing can be pretty awful at times.
One might say the same for Opeth's latest releases.

#DrunkShotsFired
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ? on August 14, 2014, 12:18:08 AM
Maybe, but at least Opeth haven't turned into radio rock for teenagers...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Dark Castle on August 14, 2014, 12:41:51 AM
Maybe, but at least Opeth haven't turned into radio rock for teenagers...
At least In Flames haven't milked the 70's as much as they possibly could
*ohhhhh snap, I should probably go to bed and stop drunk posting*
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on August 14, 2014, 12:42:29 AM
 :corn
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Dark Castle on August 14, 2014, 12:47:58 AM
Tio, that is not acceptable, I expect a 5 page rebuttal by 8 am.
You will not pass the class if you cannot complete this.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 14, 2014, 01:41:33 AM
Maybe, but at least Opeth haven't turned into radio rock for teenagers...

Not defending either band's horrid decline but I don't think that point makes their recent albums any less crappy than Opeth's.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 14, 2014, 02:11:32 AM
I think the main difference is that In Flames have put out a couple of just plain bad albums, and their decline has been really sad to see. I don't think you can say the same for Opeth. I don't LOVE the direction they're taking, but Heritage is a fine album quality-wise. It's just that I don't have any interest in the 70's route personally, so even if they make a 5/5 album within that genre, I still might not care a lot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: senecadawg2 on August 14, 2014, 06:18:52 AM
Yo Nelly, you down for another show if they come our way?

You know it! I loved loved loved that last show, and definitely look forward to a repeat.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 14, 2014, 08:47:47 AM
I will bring punch and pie.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Dark Castle on August 14, 2014, 08:51:25 AM
Tio, I will need to see you after class, we have to talk about Summer School options.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Big Hath on August 14, 2014, 10:00:32 AM
Tio, I will need to see you after class, we have to talk about Summer School options.

(https://filmaholics.net/uploads/thumbs-up.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: bout to crash on August 14, 2014, 06:11:26 PM
Ew, In Flames? Hmmm. I can go to this or the Rebirth Brass Band the same night down the street. Fuuuuck.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: EdenHazard on August 18, 2014, 10:09:49 AM
Pale Communion is up for pre-release streaming!

https://prog.teamrock.com/news/2014-08-18/opeth-stream-pale-communion (https://prog.teamrock.com/news/2014-08-18/opeth-stream-pale-communion)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Onno on August 18, 2014, 10:10:59 AM
Still going to wait for the CD, but thanks :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: ? on August 18, 2014, 10:15:46 AM
Still going to wait for the CD, but thanks :)
This.

Edit: Looks like it's only available in the UK anyway...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: KevShmev on August 26, 2014, 08:54:19 AM
We can probably lock the other thread now! ;)

Anyway, a few listens in, I am liking this.  It's definitely much better than Heritage, which I liked, but didn't love.  The songwriting is much stronger on this one, from the sound of it so far.  Many more listens to come...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: Dark Castle on August 26, 2014, 09:03:10 AM
*Dark Castle posts about disagreeing with everybody, lays down their opinions on the album*
*A few pages worth of debate happens*
*Debate ends in amicable fashion, Dark Castle and everyone else agrees to disagree*

Saving everybody some time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!! (NO SPOILERS)
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 26, 2014, 10:03:41 AM
*Dark Castle posts about disagreeing with everybody, lays down his opinions on the album*
*A few pages worth of debate happens*
*Debate ends in amicable fashion, Dark Castle and everyone else agrees to disagree*

Saving everybody some time.

Make up your mind! Are you male or female??  :lol
unless you'd rather choose not to identify
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dark Castle on August 26, 2014, 10:09:17 AM
The short and simple version:

-Identify as female
-Still bearded and burly(aka beer gut)
-Still okay if called he/his/etc, and I'm still just so used to using those that I probably do most of the time.
/FIN
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Podaar on August 26, 2014, 10:11:15 AM
A few listens in and I'm really enjoying it. Strangely, not as much as I did with Heritage during the initial listening faze. Maybe that means this one will have more staying power after it sinks in? Pale Communion is similar enough sonically to the previous album that there is a little twinge of 'been there, done that'. Still, there are surprising moments and elements to help make the songs memorable.

So far, highlights for me are:
Eternal Rains Will Come
Cusp of Eternity
Goblin
River (the guitar work on this one is stunning).

Many more listens to come...

Yup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: KevShmev on August 26, 2014, 11:58:15 AM
Ah, another one of those dumb ass bad indexing decisions regarding when to separate tracks.  The last 10 seconds of Voice of Treason is actually the first 10 seconds of Faith in Others.   :facepalm: :censored
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Zantera on August 26, 2014, 12:01:44 PM
I don't mind stuff like that because I only listen to the albums pretty much. If I was like my sister (who only shuffles tracks), then I would probably have a bigger issue with it. I think the best is when the end of one song leads into the next, but without having the actual intro to the next track as the outro. I know there was one song on Casualties of Cool where the song started at the end of the previous tracks, and that feels weird. With this, I don't mind the 10 seconds that much.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: TioJorge on August 26, 2014, 12:13:09 PM
I'm still loving the album, especially Voice of Treason. But I gotta say, I think overall I now like Heritage a bit more, if only because it's more up my ally of the atmospheric ambiance. The only track I really could do without is Moon Above. Otherwise, as I said, it's not my favorite Opeth album but it's up there, and I think it's yet another great entry in a path to find a new sound. I don't think it's solidified yet, but they're getting there.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 26, 2014, 04:22:24 PM
I think overall I now like Heritage a bit more, if only because it's more up my ally of the atmospheric ambiance.

Thank god I'm not the only one. :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Podaar on August 26, 2014, 04:29:16 PM
I think overall I now like Heritage a bit more, if only because it's more up my ally of the atmospheric ambiance.

Thank god I'm not the only one. :)

So far, I'd have to agree. Time will tell if Pale Communion overtakes Heritage but somehow I doubt it.

I will say, I really dig how PC sounds! The drums are awesome and the dynamics between quieter moments and the more energetic moments is exactly how I like my records.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: bout to crash on August 26, 2014, 04:48:50 PM
I'm only on the second track, but so far I like it!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 26, 2014, 05:50:49 PM
After two spins, I don't think I'll ever love this album.  It lost my attention around the fifteen minute mark.  I mentally checked out both times.  I don't see it having much of a future for me.  BORING.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Sacul on August 26, 2014, 06:39:09 PM
After two spins, I don't think I'll ever love this album.  It lost my attention around the fifteen minute mark.  I mentally checked out both times.  I don't see it having much of a future for me.  BORING.
Sadly, this. There are some decent moments though, but that's all for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 26, 2014, 06:59:40 PM
Same here. Bland, forgetful. Worst Opeth album, imo.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 26, 2014, 07:30:01 PM
I've been thinking about this for awhile, but maybe Opeth should find a designated second vocalist to do all the harsh vocals live, and maybe even in-studio. I'm not sure if Mikael would be interested, but it could potentially work out wonderfully. You would just have to find someone who can do old-Opeth growls justice.

My personal recommendation would be fellow Swedish vocalist Christian Älvestam (Solution .45, Miseration, ex-Scar Symmetry). He's a great vocal talent, clean and harsh. His low guttural growls rival Akerfeldts and sound amazing. It would be almost a perfect replacement, imo.  and again, his Swedish brotherhood would be a good fit for the rest of the band
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 26, 2014, 07:34:09 PM
I've been thinking about this for awhile, but maybe Opeth should find a designated second vocalist to do all the harsh vocals live, and maybe even in-studio. I'm not sure if Mikael would be interested, but it could potentially work out wonderfully. You would just have to find someone who can do old-Opeth growls justice.


I had the same thought too for a minute today, but I really think the problem is that Mikael doesn't want to or feel like writing songs in the "classical" Opeth vein.  We now have two Opeth albums and one Storm Corrosion album that pretty much say he has moved on from that heavier, harsher style that so many of us like.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 26, 2014, 07:59:56 PM
I'm still loving the album, especially Voice of Treason. But I gotta say, I think overall I now like Heritage a bit more, if only because it's more up my ally of the atmospheric ambiance. The only track I really could do without is Moon Above. Otherwise, as I said, it's not my favorite Opeth album but it's up there, and I think it's yet another great entry in a path to find a new sound. I don't think it's solidified yet, but they're getting there.
Man, I feel bad for your ally, whoever they may be. :neverusethis:

Got my copy today so I'm working listen number one at the moment. I'm on "Goblin" and I don't hate anything yet so that's good.

I will say, Axenrot is a fucking beast on this album, this album sounds great, and "Eternal Rains Will Come" was better a second time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 26, 2014, 08:09:29 PM
I'm almost through my third listen and I really wish it would just get done so I can put on one of my other new albums on.  If you would have told me in 2005 when Ghost Reveries came out that I would use "boring" to describe an Opeth album, I wouldn't have believed you.  But here I am saying it...for the second time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 26, 2014, 08:17:50 PM
I've been thinking about this for awhile, but maybe Opeth should find a designated second vocalist to do all the harsh vocals live, and maybe even in-studio. I'm not sure if Mikael would be interested, but it could potentially work out wonderfully. You would just have to find someone who can do old-Opeth growls justice.


I had the same thought too for a minute today, but I really think the problem is that Mikael doesn't want to or feel like writing songs in the "classical" Opeth vein.  We now have two Opeth albums and one Storm Corrosion album that pretty much say he has moved on from that heavier, harsher style that so many of us like.

I love the new material, but I was just thinking, Mikael could continue to write and perform his newer prog material, but they could get a secondary vocalist live to do harsh vocals so they could still play about 45 minutes of pre-Heritage material to keep everyone happy.
I personally didnt get into Opeth until about 5 years ago, so it kind of sucks to think that I'll never get a chance to hear any of my favorite songs from Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries or Watershed live  :/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Mosh on August 26, 2014, 09:19:23 PM
Wait are they retiring those songs or something? What makes you think they aren't gonna play those songs live? I saw Opeth on the last tour and there was plenty of death metal. I think he's fine playing that stuff live, he even said before that he'll keep doing it since that's what the fans want to hear. He just doesn't write it anymore.

There seems to be a bit of a misconception that Opeth is trying to erase their history but that clearly isn't happening. I really don't see them ever ceasing to perform older material live.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 26, 2014, 09:20:38 PM
They haven't retired the growls for live shows, at least not yet. The last tour had plenty of them and in a recent interview Mikael said that the next tour won't be avoiding them completely. Thank god.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 26, 2014, 09:28:12 PM
They haven't retired the growls for live shows, at least not yet. The last tour had plenty of them and in a recent interview Mikael said that the next tour won't be avoiding them completely. Thank god.
Well, Mikael's voice is fading, and it's not going to last forever. I was just considering how much longer he'd be willing to play it due to it being rough on his voice. Isn't that one of the main issues concerning that band? Or am i just totally imagining that?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Mosh on August 26, 2014, 09:39:11 PM
I don't think they'll ever retire growls live. Say what you will about Mikael but he knows who his audience is. He doesn't seem to care so much when it comes to making albums, since he clearly writes music for himself, but when playing live he caters to his audience. In the best way possible.

His voice deteriorating is another issue and it'll be interesting to see how that plays out, but for now I don't think that's something to worry about.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: PolarizeMe on August 26, 2014, 10:07:49 PM
Mikael once said in the Blackwater Park Lecacy Edition DVD documentary that he couldn't picture himself growling at 40 (keep in mind the video was shot in 2001) or something to that extent. He's now 40 and while he can still growl, there's no doubt that it's deteriorated over the years.

Interesting to hear that there'll be some songs with growls on the upcoming tour. While I'm gonna guess that they'll play most of PC live, I bet there'll be no more than 2 songs with growls in the set.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Onno on August 27, 2014, 06:12:21 AM
Just watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10O0SjsnLZ0 (Demon of the Fall live at Metaldays 2014)

I thought Mikael's growling was rather good, better than normal nowadays. He even did some higher ones, which he normally doesn't do too often (i.e. he mostly doesn't do the ones in Heir Apparent).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Zydar on August 27, 2014, 06:57:53 AM
A nice interview with Mikael and Fredrik.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeZXhKpTFYY&list=UUTE9WvFpyhfhSq-YiXxycsA
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Onno on August 27, 2014, 07:43:51 AM
Yeah, that was a good one.

Also Zydar, I don't know for how long now you've had that 'Lemon curry?' thing, but I only just spotted it and it's great  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Zydar on August 27, 2014, 07:46:36 AM
Also Zydar, I don't know for how long now you've had that 'Lemon curry?' thing, but I only just spotted it and it's great  :lol

You caught the Python reference ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Onno on August 27, 2014, 08:34:40 AM
Yeah, it's great :D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Riitasointi on August 27, 2014, 08:54:11 AM
Well now I've got myself to listen to this a couple times more, and what was initially a hopeful and positive vibe for the album is pretty much gone now sadly   :-\ Heritage was okay for me, not very good but not bad either, and I really wanted this record to be "what Heritage should have been". After some listens, I really can't understand how some people think Pale Communion has superior songwriting to Heritage, more coherent to be precise. To me this album is just messy and lacks ideas. There are some good moments and I'd say I rather enjoy the first two tracks and River, while Moon Above Sun Below has some nice sections. But as a whole it just isn't that good and it's makes me sad, I really wanted this record to be good. I'll keep listening to it some more though, but now as I've gone back to Opeth's older stuff as well PC just sounds really uninteresting in comparison.

Like someone said earlier, I really couldn't have imagined this 4 years ago but the new Opeth album is boring. Again.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 27, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
Yeah another boring release.

Time for me to be moving on I guess. I'll always have the classics.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 27, 2014, 09:23:17 AM
Mike's songwriting approach seems to remind me of the same kind of obsessiveness involved with anorexia (this is strictly a comparison, I'm not implying he actually has an eating disorder.) Similar to how an anorexic person needlessly obsesses over losing more weight despite the fact that they don't need to, Mike seems to try to keep out-progging each prior album to the detriment of the songs' level of cohesiveness. It's like he thinks the can't-fail solution to every song is COUNTLESS UNPREDICTABLE TRANSITIONS!!!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 27, 2014, 09:26:36 AM
I know it is not quite like Opeth, but man do Ihsahn albums scratch that Opeth itch, with a lot wicked sax thrown in there.  Also, Mikael has worked with Ihsahn.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2014, 09:33:38 AM
Mike's songwriting approach seems to remind me of the same kind of obsessiveness involved with anorexia (this is strictly a comparison, I'm not implying he actually has an eating disorder.) Similar to how an anorexic person needlessly obsesses over losing more weight despite the fact that they don't need to, Mike seems to try to keep out-progging each prior album to the detriment of the songs' level of cohesiveness. It's like he thinks the can't-fail solution to every song is COUNTLESS UNPREDICTABLE TRANSITIONS!!!
Are you suggesting that this is a new feature of Opeth's music? It has ALWAYS been there, as prominent as it is now.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Zantera on August 27, 2014, 09:36:57 AM
Mike's songwriting approach seems to remind me of the same kind of obsessiveness involved with anorexia (this is strictly a comparison, I'm not implying he actually has an eating disorder.) Similar to how an anorexic person needlessly obsesses over losing more weight despite the fact that they don't need to, Mike seems to try to keep out-progging each prior album to the detriment of the songs' level of cohesiveness. It's like he thinks the can't-fail solution to every song is COUNTLESS UNPREDICTABLE TRANSITIONS!!!

I think this paragraph sums up the last 10 years of Dream Theater rather than Opeth to be honest.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: ? on August 27, 2014, 09:53:52 AM
IMO most songs on Pale Communion are more coherent than Häxprocess or Famine, for example (not that those are bad songs), not to mention the material on the first two albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Riitasointi on August 27, 2014, 10:11:05 AM
IMO most songs on Pale Communion are more coherent than Häxprocess or Famine, for example (not that those are bad songs), not to mention the material on the first two albums.

Well yeah I think Häxprocess especially is one of the more incoherent (and worst) pieces on Heritage. Also the early material may be jumping from one idea to another but at least the ideas were good. There are so many good melodies and riffs on Orchid and Morningrise that it more than makes up for the slightly unevolved songwriting. At this point I cannot really say the same about Pale Communion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 27, 2014, 10:17:47 AM
The last 3 songs are all brilliant, as is Eternal Rains and Goblin.
Moon Above still needs to grow on me though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Jaq on August 27, 2014, 10:57:33 AM
Now that we can actually say it...yeah. I'm done with new Opeth until Mike climbs out of the 70s prog rock worship thing. That's not why I got into them, I have plenty of far better 70s prog rock albums already, and frankly Mike's lost the ability to write interesting songs. In fact, I'll come out and say if the band had continued in their previous vein, I'd be just as bored as this album makes me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Podaar on August 27, 2014, 12:21:56 PM
I don't get it. Did they ever have a "previous vein"? It seems to me that every album changed quite a bit from Blackwater Park on. The only constant with Opeth albums was that something was going to change.

I get that the lack of metal guitars and blast beats probably puts off a lot of fans and I'd be willing to go along with that...except, Pale Communion sounds nothing like any 70's prog I've ever heard. Sure, you have hammond organ, and mellotron patches, along with quite a lot of clean guitar tones but the saturated mood of Opeth-Doom™ is unique in music. I'd be happy to change my opinion if anyone ever points me to 70's prog that sounds the same.

Oh, and I couldn't disagree more with the notion that nothing interesting is going on here. Take away the odd song structures, cool drumming, rocking bass, killer guitar solos, cool vocal harmonies and you'd still have some catchy melodies--which in and of itself is unique to Opeth.

I guess not every album can be Club Ninja.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 27, 2014, 12:25:15 PM
Opeth stopped being good after Ghost Reveries.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Zydar on August 27, 2014, 12:26:21 PM
Opeth stopped being good after Mikael joined in 1990.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dark Castle on August 27, 2014, 12:27:58 PM
I don't get it. Did they ever have a "previous vein"? It seems to me that every album changed quite a bit from Blackwater Park on. The only constant with Opeth albums was that something was going to change.
They may have evolved with each album, but to say they didn't have a previous vein is just absurd. They had a definite sound you could pin to them.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Podaar on August 27, 2014, 12:35:37 PM
I don't get it. Did they ever have a "previous vein"? It seems to me that every album changed quite a bit from Blackwater Park on. The only constant with Opeth albums was that something was going to change.
They may have evolved with each album, but to say they didn't have a previous vein is just absurd. They had a definite sound you could pin to them.

I get that's how you look at it. And if I grant that there is overarching aesthetic to Opeth, at all, it's the pretty-gloom thing. What's absurd is to say that they don't have that anymore...just with different instruments and vocal style.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Riitasointi on August 27, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
I don't want to sound rude or nit-picky but Opeth has had blast beat in exactly one song in their career  :tup

I'm not sure how it is but I feel that after Watershed even the melodies Mikael uses changed in nature somewhat. Heritage was a whole new beginning for the band and took the sound to a completely different place. It's not even the lack of death metal influences, seeing as Damnation definitely had that distinct Opeth sound.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Podaar on August 27, 2014, 12:51:12 PM
Was it Lotus Eater? (checking my trivia gauge)

Would you settle for really fast double bass drum?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Riitasointi on August 27, 2014, 12:54:51 PM
Yep, Lotus Eater :) Fast double bass they have plenty, I give you that  ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Jaq on August 27, 2014, 01:20:47 PM
I don't get it. Did they ever have a "previous vein"? It seems to me that every album changed quite a bit from Blackwater Park on. The only constant with Opeth albums was that something was going to change.

I get that the lack of metal guitars and blast beats probably puts off a lot of fans and I'd be willing to go along with that...except, Pale Communion sounds nothing like any 70's prog I've ever heard. Sure, you have hammond organ, and mellotron patches, along with quite a lot of clean guitar tones but the saturated mood of Opeth-Doom™ is unique in music. I'd be happy to change my opinion if anyone ever points me to 70's prog that sounds the same.

Oh, and I couldn't disagree more with the notion that nothing interesting is going on here. Take away the odd song structures, cool drumming, rocking bass, killer guitar solos, cool vocal harmonies and you'd still have some catchy melodies--which in and of itself is unique to Opeth.

I guess not every album can be Club Ninja.

If you can't listen to the first minute and a half of the album and not be reminded of 70s prog, I suggest you didn't listen to a whole hell of a lot of it.

And I'd gladly rather listen to Club Ninja than this prog wankery Mike's passing off as Opeth these days.  :rollin
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: TioJorge on August 27, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Podaar on August 27, 2014, 01:23:33 PM
Tastes...who knew?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dark Castle on August 27, 2014, 01:44:58 PM
::)
Right back at ya.
::)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2014, 01:45:31 PM
I don't get it. Did they ever have a "previous vein"? It seems to me that every album changed quite a bit from Blackwater Park on. The only constant with Opeth albums was that something was going to change.
They may have evolved with each album, but to say they didn't have a previous vein is just absurd. They had a definite sound you could pin to them.

I agree, and that is still there.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Lynxo on August 27, 2014, 01:52:17 PM
Wow, I'm surprised at the negative reactions from some of you. I thought this album would appeal to more people than Heritage. But yeah, tastes and stuff. I'll just take my album and go wank my ears with it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dark Castle on August 27, 2014, 01:54:13 PM
I don't get it. Did they ever have a "previous vein"? It seems to me that every album changed quite a bit from Blackwater Park on. The only constant with Opeth albums was that something was going to change.
They may have evolved with each album, but to say they didn't have a previous vein is just absurd. They had a definite sound you could pin to them.

I agree, and that is still there.
If we're talking the imagery sure, but I think what's changed is like Jaq said is Mikaels ability to write interesting music, that isn't because it isn't TEH HEAVYZ anymore. And I agree with him on if they had kept their previous sound, it'd probably be some pretty boring proggy death metal.

But yeah it all comes out to taste guys, if you like this new branch of Opeth's life, good for you, I hope you enjoy it, I sincerely do, it just doesn't seem like it's for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 27, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Along the lines of what DC said, it is not that it is not heavy that gets me, it is that if I want to listen to 70s style prog, I have much better options than Heritage and Pale Communion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2014, 02:13:57 PM
I don't get it. Did they ever have a "previous vein"? It seems to me that every album changed quite a bit from Blackwater Park on. The only constant with Opeth albums was that something was going to change.
They may have evolved with each album, but to say they didn't have a previous vein is just absurd. They had a definite sound you could pin to them.

I agree, and that is still there.
If we're talking the imagery sure, but I think what's changed is like Jaq said is Mikaels ability to write interesting music, that isn't because it isn't TEH HEAVYZ anymore. And I agree with him on if they had kept their previous sound, it'd probably be some pretty boring proggy death metal.

But yeah it all comes out to taste guys, if you like this new branch of Opeth's life, good for you, I hope you enjoy it, I sincerely do, it just doesn't seem like it's for me.
No I just meant that their sound is still there. The harmonic and tonal approach to their music hasn't changed at all, and structurally the music is pretty much as eclectic as it always was. I would say the only difference has been lack of growls (which they've done before as well) and production, which has changed a number of times in the past as well.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Riitasointi on August 27, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
^ I personally could argue that the sound they once had is pretty much gone now. Mikael had a very distinct style of melodies and riffs and I really can't hear that anymore on these recent records. Could you maybe, out of pure interest, point out some sections of Pale Communion where you think the "Opeth-sound" or whatever is present?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Podaar on August 27, 2014, 02:31:28 PM
Along the lines of what DC said, it is not that it is not heavy that gets me, it is that if I want to listen to 70s style prog, I have much better options than Heritage and Pale Communion.

This is the most cogent argument against the new direction I've heard. Although I don't agree with it, this makes sense.

What doesn't makes sense is, (a) Heritage and Pale Communion sound exactly like 70's prog therefore it's crap, and (b) 70's prog is great! Now maybe it's my comprehension skills, and no one was actually saying that, but it sure seemed like it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: KevShmev on August 27, 2014, 02:32:51 PM
I think a lot of the mellow sections sound like classic Opeth, but because they aren't surrounded by the crushing heavy riffs and growls, they stand out as more derivative to those who miss the metal or the growling or whatever.  I get it, but I enjoy it.  It still retains enough of the classic Opeth mellow sound to still sound very much like Opeth.  Just not the metal side of the band.  If that makes sense.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Zantera on August 27, 2014, 02:41:09 PM
It's a constant dilemma that bands face, either you become a band like AC/DC who has essentially made the same album 20 times, and people make jabs at you for playing it safe your entire career, or you try to change things up and change your style, and as a result you will get both love and hate for it. There are many ways in which you can change and evolve your sound of course, and the depending on the direction, people will either like or dislike it.

With Opeth, I've said it before, the 70's direction is not something I'm fond of. But I still give the music a chance, and in the same way Heritage was a disappointment for me, Pale Communion is a positive surprise. I don't know if I would automatically love another album in the classic Opeth style either. They've already made perfect albums in that style, so personally I don't think they could top those albums, so I'd rather see them do something else. Again, the 70's thing is not something I love, but at least they're doing something else.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dark Castle on August 27, 2014, 02:45:58 PM
Along the lines of what DC said, it is not that it is not heavy that gets me, it is that if I want to listen to 70s style prog, I have much better options than Heritage and Pale Communion.

This is the most cogent argument against the new direction I've heard. Although I don't agree with it, this makes sense.

What doesn't makes sense is, (a) Heritage and Pale Communion sound exactly like 70's prog therefore it's crap, and (b) 70's prog is great! Now maybe it's my comprehension skills, and no one was actually saying that, but it sure seemed like it.
What's hard to get, if I wanna listen to 70s style prog, there's much better albums and bands (old and current) to listen to in our opinion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Podaar on August 27, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
Along the lines of what DC said, it is not that it is not heavy that gets me, it is that if I want to listen to 70s style prog, I have much better options than Heritage and Pale Communion.

This is the most cogent argument against the new direction I've heard. Although I don't agree with it, this makes sense.

What doesn't makes sense is, (a) Heritage and Pale Communion sound exactly like 70's prog therefore it's crap, and (b) 70's prog is great! Now maybe it's my comprehension skills, and no one was actually saying that, but it sure seemed like it.
What's hard to get, if I wanna listen to 70s style prog, there's much better albums and bands (old and current) to listen to in our opinion.

I get that, but I think DTVT was the first to say it in that way.

I happen to disagree strenuously. I'd take Heritage (for instance) over every 70's album ever produced by Genesis or Uriah Heep, most of Jethro Tull, nearly all of ELP, half of King Crimson, some of Rush, and only the 70's output of Kansas, Pink Floyd and Yes is better or on par. Now, here's the clear distinction in my opinion, none of any of that music sounds even similar to Opeth in tone or mood.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 27, 2014, 03:02:43 PM
Don't have my copy yet, but I had a chance to listen to the stream three times with my headphones.


What a GIGANTIC leap forward from Heritage !!!   :omg:


Man, I tried and tried and tried to get into Heritage and just couldn't do it.  But this album is absolutely brilliant.


Best Opeth album yet.  I didn't think they'd ever be able to top Ghost Reveries or Watershed, but right now Pale Communion is #1 - I can't wait to hear the HD tracks.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Lowdz on August 27, 2014, 03:08:53 PM
Chipping in as a non-Opeth fan for what it's worth. I own one album, the red one. PLayed it once I think and hated the growls and filed it. It was the late 90s and I was strggling to find new music I liked and I got it because lots of DT fans loved them so I thought I'd like it. Jeez was I wrong.

When I heard that things had "evolved" and the growls were gone for Heritage I gave it a go. I was bored by it tbh.

So I come to this album with little in the way of baggage and I like it. I like the Eastern vibe in much of it - I'm a sucker for that anyway. It's not going to rock my world or anything, but I like it and will probably buy it. If I want a mellow-ish album (doesn't happen much) this would fit the bill.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: King Postwhore on August 27, 2014, 04:02:15 PM



What a GIGANTIC leap forward from Heritage !!!   :omg:


Man, I tried and tried and tried to get into Heritage and just couldn't do it.  But this album is absolutely brilliant.



Just listened to it and I 100% agree.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: TioJorge on August 27, 2014, 04:28:54 PM
Good to see some positivity! I think the shining factor is the production, and even on track that I'm not too fond of like Moon Above, I find myself still listening to it if only for the idea that it 'sounds' so good even if I'm not connecting to the actual music. It's an interesting sensation. Even though most of the tracks haven't exactly grown a whole lot for me in either direction, one glaring exception is Goblin. I am totally digging the feel of the song and the name rings all too true, except with an injection of Akerfeldt. Voice of Treason has proven to be my favorite by far and away still. The beat screams that desolate Opeth vibe to me. A different Opeth, and aged Opeth. But Opeth nonetheless.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Goblin is probably still my least-favourite, but I am digging it more than I did at first.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: TioJorge on August 27, 2014, 04:35:44 PM
Random non-new-album comment: I LOOOOOOVE their rendition of Bridge of Sighs. SO MUCH. I grew up hearing my dad play the original over and friggin' over; I hated it. Then I didn't hear it for a decade and randomly hear it by my (then) new favorite band and it got me so. hard. SO hard. I really wish Mikael would use this more bluesy singing more often, he really rocks it. I haven't listened to it in a while and it came up on Pandora randomly.

BACK TO IT.

Goblin, on my first listen, was the only track I thought I disliked, and with each listen I liked it more and more. It keeps on gettin' better for me, but it's really the only track that's happened with. All the others I have relatively the same opinion as when I first commented, which I didn't think would happen. But I still really enjoy most of it and as I said, if anything this is just another niche in the new sound they're carving out. Mikael certainly has a vision for what he wants though, that's quite clear.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Randaran on August 27, 2014, 06:03:40 PM
After a few attempts, I just finished the album. So far, only Goblin and Faith in Others stand out. I am sure that the rest will grow on me; I was never able to finish any Opeth album on the first listen. They always take a few spins, but then I love them to death.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 27, 2014, 06:17:19 PM
The thing is, we still have Orchid, Blackwater Park, Deliverance, Ghost Reveries, ect.

This is just something different. We're still allowed to enjoy old-Opeth, "classic" Opeth as much as we want. Those albums are cemented in history and aren't going anywhere. If that's the Opeth you want to hear, you can have it any time you want.

Again, Heritage and PC are just something different. Do you guys just want the same album over and over again, with some different riffs and lyrics?

I know I don't.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dark Castle on August 27, 2014, 06:21:27 PM
Don't think anyone has said they want the same albums over and over, soooo we can put that point to rest?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 27, 2014, 07:03:20 PM
For me, Heritage has some great songs and some that lull me. Its the production and mix that makes the sound different. I enjoy its atmosphere because its eerie.

If an album I listen to happens to be what I want to hear at the moment I discovered it, then i'll play it more. But if not, then i'll play it less. That doesn't mean, at all, the album is bad. It's not what I'm into at the moment. Yet I do listen to those albums when I'm in the moment feeling/needing those notes to soothe, calm, entertain, etc...my mind. I enjoy a vast array of music and many people have their own reasons for listening to music, hence my descriptions. Shit, a lot of people can't even listen to songs because it makes them reminisce of their past, makes them feel scared (gives them a bad feeling, makes them feel weird), or some random reason. Yet at the other end of the spectrum, makes people feel good, helps them accomplish tasks.

That's why I love music and always will hold it close to my heart and is a part of me.

Now, I got to either buy Pale Communion or stream it. If what people here are saying about it, I'll definitely enjoy it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: TioJorge on August 27, 2014, 07:08:23 PM
Beautifully stated. There's a lot of albums like that for me, even from some of my favorite artists (for all the above reasons). This is more than likely going to be one of those albums that I don't spin a whole lot, but if I'm in the right mood, will love it. This Fall/Winter is going to be awesome; I'm so ready for it. Good riddance friggin' heat and sun.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 27, 2014, 07:53:15 PM
Yeah, the cold crept uponus, and its pretty much fall here now cause the leaves are changing and falling, not to mention the chill factor that shifts from hot in the Sun to cold in tge shade.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Genowyn on August 27, 2014, 08:12:36 PM
So as someone who didn't really dig Heritage (as in I listened to it like once and never felt like doing so again) should I bother with this one?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Mosh on August 27, 2014, 08:15:16 PM
Yes. This album is hardly anything like Heritage imo. It has some 70s prog rock sounds but it has a lot more things that are familiar to Opeth. Elysian Woes, for example, sounds like something that could've been on Watershed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 27, 2014, 08:19:29 PM
Yes. This album is hardly anything like Heritage imo. It has some 70s prog rock sounds but it has a lot more things that are familiar to Opeth. Elysian Woes, for example, sounds like something that could've been on Watershed.

Don't really agree with this at all. Elysian Woes and Faith In Others wouldn't sound out of place on Damnation, but the rest of the album just sounds like more Heritage, except less dark.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Mosh on August 27, 2014, 08:34:34 PM
I dunno, I think the first two songs kinda have some hints of Heritage but aside from that everything else is pretty Opeth sound to me. Unlike Heritage which didn't sound at all like Opeth. I've held off on commenting much since I don't know the individual songs as well, but there have been tons of moments that remind me of pre-Heritage material. Mostly Watershed and Damnation, which makes sense since Watershed was the last thing they did before Heritage and Damnation is a similar style.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Genowyn on August 27, 2014, 08:35:08 PM
Well I like Damnation but I feel like they had been going in a generally downward direction since GR, so comparisons to Watershed aren't super comforting :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Mosh on August 27, 2014, 08:38:39 PM
I'd say check it out regardless of what album it sounds like, honestly. Despite the comparisons, it's still its own album and as a whole unlike anything else they've done so far. It's a short album; give it a shot you might like it!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 27, 2014, 08:52:16 PM
Do you guys just want the same album over and over again, with some different riffs and lyrics?

Jesus fucking Christ. You'd honestly be less condescending if you just called all of the dissentors of their new style dumb fucks right to their face. Many of us like all or nearly all of their discography from Orchid through Ghost Reveries. I'd like to see you explain how that run (minus Damnation) is lacking variety and depth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 27, 2014, 08:55:52 PM
And some of us like Orchid through Watershed.  Or at least I do.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 27, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
At worst, I've slightly disliked it a little and, at best, I've liked it a little bit. Basically, a 4-6/10 range for me.

And to add to my last post, I may be seeing this incorrectly, but it really seems like most of the folks with that woefully shortsighted stance that, had Opeth stayed in the death metal scene, they'd be eternally resigned to making the same album are people with an extremely limited degree of exposure to the era they're marginalzing. Basically, people with these types of histories with the band:

1. At the earliest, began listening to them during the Ghost Reveries era and maybe not even til Heritage.

2. Listened to like one or two albums for a spin or two each back in the day, weren't amused, and moved on but came back in recent years once things were more to their liking all the while never listening to the death metal era nearly enough to make such a sweeping generalization with any credibility.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: Mosh on August 27, 2014, 09:16:11 PM
Do you guys just want the same album over and over again, with some different riffs and lyrics?

Jesus fucking Christ. You'd honestly be less condescending if you just called all of the dissentors of their new style dumb fucks right to their face. Many of us like all or nearly all of their discography from Orchid through Ghost Reveries. I'd like to see you explain how that run (minus Damnation) is lacking variety and depth.
Why not Damnation?

I agree that the notion of Opeth making the same album over and over again is ridiculous. They've never made the same album twice, and they've never stuck to a certain sound for more than two albums. How someone could listen to Orchid then BWP then Watershed and tell me it's the same thing is mind boggling.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 27, 2014, 09:25:31 PM
Do you guys just want the same album over and over again, with some different riffs and lyrics?

Jesus fucking Christ. You'd honestly be less condescending if you just called all of the dissentors of their new style dumb fucks right to their face. Many of us like all or nearly all of their discography from Orchid through Ghost Reveries. I'd like to see you explain how that run (minus Damnation) is lacking variety and depth.


Why not Damnation?

I agree that the notion of Opeth making the same album over and over again is ridiculous. They've never made the same album twice, and they've never stuck to a certain sound for more than two albums. How someone could listen to Orchid then BWP then Watershed and tell me it's the same thing is mind boggling.

Because it's specifically the death metal Opeth being dismissed so I needed to clarify that I was specifically defending that era. Basically, no need to defend something which isn't a part of the matter at hand, not a case of me not liking it since I do.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 27, 2014, 11:02:50 PM
Some butthurt bitches in this thread for some reason.

Anyway, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anh5FWVI3d8

The band has changed their overall sound and riff ideas. Oh well.

And just FYI, I never said that pre-Heritage Opeth was bad or anything. I love all of their albums. I also really like the new ones too. But I'm not just a fanboy who blindly claims to like everything the band puts out either. Heritage took a while for me to get into, but I think it's good now (the drums and heavy keys make it extra special to me).

That being said, Opeth had a tendency to become repetitive with their riffs, rhythms and ideas. If I heard a random 10 second audio clip from one of their heavy instrumental passages, I probably wouldnt be able to name the song correctly right away.
"Was that Harlequin Forest? Or...maybe Baying of the Hounds. Fuck, it was Leper Affinity." I dont have that problem with most other bands. Sometimes, Opeth got kind of "samey".

The band writes differently now. Different beats, different riffs, different sounds altogether. It's really nothing to bitch about. You don't have to like it. But not everyone has to hate it. Are we not allowed to discuss and have fucking opinions?

Whatever, regardless.  Opeth is awesome.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 27, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
Are we not allowed to discuss and have fucking opinions?

Have all you want. We're also entitled to have ours which includes calling a spade a spade during hyperbolic assertions.

Some butthurt bitches in this thread for some reason.

Cla...ssy!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: TioJorge on August 27, 2014, 11:13:10 PM
Gotta say, I wouldn't mind in the slightest if Opeth sidelined us again with a totally new sound next album (I know, already; it happens). I seriously doubt that's gonna happen but it'd be interesting. It'd keep in line with 'two album sets' of similar sounding music. I'm enjoying this music but it'd also be cool if they just kept changing it up. However, if this style evolved some more I could see it being truly epic if refined enough.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 27, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
Do you guys just want the same album over and over again, with some different riffs and lyrics?

Jesus fucking Christ. You'd honestly be less condescending if you just called all of the dissentors of their new style dumb fucks right to their face. Many of us like all or nearly all of their discography from Orchid through Ghost Reveries. I'd like to see you explain how that run (minus Damnation) is lacking variety and depth.
Why not Damnation?

I agree that the notion of Opeth making the same album over and over again is ridiculous. They've never made the same album twice, and they've never stuck to a certain sound for more than two albums. How someone could listen to Orchid then BWP then Watershed and tell me it's the same thing is mind boggling.

the funniest part is that Pale Communion is just Heritage with "some different riffs and lyrics," much moreso than any of the previous albums were! the only real difference is the slight injection of Watershed on songs like "Cusp of Eternity" (and maybe some Still Life in MASB).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 27, 2014, 11:26:38 PM
the funniest part is that Pale Communion is just Heritage with "some different riffs and lyrics," much moreso than any of the previous albums were! the only real difference is the slight injection of Watershed on songs like "Cusp of Eternity" (and maybe some Still Life in MASB).

I thought the exact same thing too.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: TioJorge on August 27, 2014, 11:37:06 PM
This thread needs some of this.

Bum-to-the-bass. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ok5AV7ZrM)

I'm just gonna leave that there and let you guys enjoy. Love puttin' my butt up against big basses. Mm. Don't look at me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Discuss Pale Communion on Aug 26th!!
Post by: KevShmev on August 27, 2014, 11:37:35 PM
Gotta say, I wouldn't mind in the slightest if Opeth sidelined us again with a totally new sound next album (I know, already; it happens). I seriously doubt that's gonna happen but it'd be interesting. It'd keep in line with 'two album sets' of similar sounding music. I'm enjoying this music but it'd also be cool if they just kept changing it up. However, if this style evolved some more I could see it being truly epic if refined enough.

Agreed.

So as someone who didn't really dig Heritage (as in I listened to it like once and never felt like doing so again) should I bother with this one?

Yes.  They really aren't that much alike, unless you can't get the "it sounds like 70s prog" out of your head, which doesn't make sense anyway, since not all 70s prog sounds the same.

I already like this record way more than I ever liked Heritage (which is my least favorite Opeth record since the first two, neither of which appeal to me very much).  And it's getting better on every listen.  :coolio
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 27, 2014, 11:51:03 PM
I dont know why you like arguing with me so much floyd, or why you tend to get so genuinely pissed every time I speak up in a thread. There's no need to take opinions as personal insults. That's just silly.

I'm all for discussion, obviously. I just dont see the point in instantly starting an argument over something dumb. Or maybe that's just the way you express yourself, idk.
Point is, i wasnt trying to be a "condescending dick" or whatever you said.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 28, 2014, 12:47:32 AM
I never called you a dick or insulted you in any way. I accused you of condescending unto the Opeth fans who prefer the death metal-infused era. Basically, many of the fans on the other side of that fence seem to be under the impression that Opeth is only capable of making seven albums (eight, if you wanna include Watershed) with metal themes despite the fact that the last one they made in that style is probably their second-best-regarded album in their entire discography as far as this forum's concerned when you take into account all Opeth fans regardless of which side they're from.

The way your post was worded, as well as most others sharing that sentiment, comes off as basically saying the metal fans will just take whatever's shoveled onto their plates with no critical thought process involved whatsoever since you put it this way...

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Do you guys just want the same album over and over again, with some different riffs and lyrics?

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scorpion on August 28, 2014, 01:14:09 AM
Jesus fuck we had exactly the same argument when Heritage was released. Just because some people don't like this doesn't mean that they want Opeth to stagnate and are against them trying out new stuff, it might just be that THE NEW DIRECTION IS NOT TO THEIR LIKING. I'm not the biggest fan of it myself, (though Pale Communion is definitely better than Heritage in my opinion) but god damn, why does everything have to be black and white? Why is everyone who doesn't like this change suddenly against the whole concept of change from the outset?

I know not everyone thinks that, I'm not talking directly with anyone, and I'm mainly just ranting, 'cause most of the stuff here is pretty respectful, but man, some of the shit you see on the internet...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on August 28, 2014, 01:31:40 AM
Jesus fuck we had exactly the same argument when Heritage was released. Just because some people don't like this doesn't mean that they want Opeth to stagnate and are against them trying out new stuff, it might just be that THE NEW DIRECTION IS NOT TO THEIR LIKING. I'm not the biggest fan of it myself, (though Pale Communion is definitely better than Heritage in my opinion) but god damn, why does everything have to be black and white? Why is everyone who doesn't like this change suddenly against the whole concept of change from the outset?

I know not everyone thinks that, I'm not talking directly with anyone, and I'm mainly just ranting, 'cause most of the stuff here is pretty respectful, but man, some of the shit you see on the internet...
Thank you so much man.
Seriously  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 28, 2014, 01:36:02 AM
I love you Scroptimus.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 28, 2014, 01:52:20 AM
some of the shit you see on the internet...
(https://i.imgur.com/02Xco9M.gif)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 28, 2014, 01:55:41 AM
That's a pretty good reaction gif to most arguments on music.

It's good.

(https://s30.postimg.org/l6foejbf3/gettt.gif)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ariich on August 28, 2014, 03:25:03 AM
Jesus fuck we had exactly the same argument when Heritage was released. Just because some people don't like this doesn't mean that they want Opeth to stagnate and are against them trying out new stuff, it might just be that THE NEW DIRECTION IS NOT TO THEIR LIKING. I'm not the biggest fan of it myself, (though Pale Communion is definitely better than Heritage in my opinion) but god damn, why does everything have to be black and white? Why is everyone who doesn't like this change suddenly against the whole concept of change from the outset?

I know not everyone thinks that, I'm not talking directly with anyone, and I'm mainly just ranting, 'cause most of the stuff here is pretty respectful, but man, some of the shit you see on the internet...
Agreed, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and some people simply don't like the new albums.

I do find a lot of inconsistency though. People say "it's not because the albums aren't heavy, it's just because they aren't good", but then follow up by saying "if I want 70s prog I have plenty of better albums to listen to". Surely that's the case for death metal as well though. If it's about quality and not genre, then why even mention the 70s prog thing? (I'm not including black_floyd in this, because he's been pretty open about hating the lack of heaviness).

Also, I find it a bit rich that people jumped down PROGdrummer's throat for suggesting that the older Opeth albums were samey, while insisting that Heritage and Pale Communion are the same. Those two albums are as different as any of the "death metal era minus Damnation" ones.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 28, 2014, 03:48:23 AM
Agreed with Scrop and Rich.

Also, I find it a bit rich that people jumped down PROGdrummer's throat for suggesting that the older Opeth albums were samey, while insisting that Heritage and Pale Communion are the same. Those two albums are as different as any of the "death metal era minus Damnation" ones.
Very much agreed on that last part. They're as different as, say, BWP and Heritage.

Mike's songwriting approach seems to remind me of the same kind of obsessiveness involved with anorexia (this is strictly a comparison, I'm not implying he actually has an eating disorder.) Similar to how an anorexic person needlessly obsesses over losing more weight despite the fact that they don't need to, Mike seems to try to keep out-progging each prior album to the detriment of the songs' level of cohesiveness. It's like he thinks the can't-fail solution to every song is COUNTLESS UNPREDICTABLE TRANSITIONS!!!
I don't think I agree with you here. For me, Orchid and Morningrise are the two albums with countless unpredictable (and quite random sometimes) transitions. In the run from MAYH-Watershed, the transitions flow really well and are not random. In both Heritage and Pale Communion, the transitions are mostly unexpected, but it's a lot more coherent than on Orchid and Morningrise to me.

They may have evolved with each album, but to say they didn't have a previous vein is just absurd. They had a definite sound you could pin to them.

I agree, and that is still there.
Agreed. However, while the definite sound is quite obvious in Orchid-Watershed, it is a bit harder to find in Heritage and PC. To continue on that...

I think a lot of the mellow sections sound like classic Opeth, but because they aren't surrounded by the crushing heavy riffs and growls, they stand out as more derivative to those who miss the metal or the growling or whatever.  I get it, but I enjoy it.  It still retains enough of the classic Opeth mellow sound to still sound very much like Opeth.  Just not the metal side of the band.  If that makes sense.
That is exactly how I feel. The definite sound of Opeth is just as present in the mellow sections of Heritage and PC as in the mellow sections of any other Opeth album. The 'heavier' sections on Heritage and PC are quite different from those on the other albums, however. That's what makes it sound like 70s prog. In my opinion, the 'heavier' sections on Heritage and PC still sound a bit like Opeth... but it's hard to find the Opeth sound in them. I'm not bothered by this because the mellow sections are still very Opeth to me.


Sorry for the long post guys, a lot of posts have been made since yesterday evening and I had to catch up :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 28, 2014, 03:51:32 AM
Jesus fuck we had exactly the same argument when Heritage was released. Just because some people don't like this doesn't mean that they want Opeth to stagnate and are against them trying out new stuff, it might just be that THE NEW DIRECTION IS NOT TO THEIR LIKING. I'm not the biggest fan of it myself, (though Pale Communion is definitely better than Heritage in my opinion) but god damn, why does everything have to be black and white? Why is everyone who doesn't like this change suddenly against the whole concept of change from the outset?

I know not everyone thinks that, I'm not talking directly with anyone, and I'm mainly just ranting, 'cause most of the stuff here is pretty respectful, but man, some of the shit you see on the internet...
Agreed, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and some people simply don't like the new albums.

I do find a lot of inconsistency though. People say "it's not because the albums aren't heavy, it's just because they aren't good", but then follow up by saying "if I want 70s prog I have plenty of better albums to listen to". Surely that's the case for death metal as well though. If it's about quality and not genre, then why even mention the 70s prog thing? (I'm not including black_floyd in this, because he's been pretty open about hating the lack of heaviness).

Also, I find it a bit rich that people jumped down PROGdrummer's throat for suggesting that the older Opeth albums were samey, while insisting that Heritage and Pale Communion are the same. Those two albums are as different as any of the "death metal era minus Damnation" ones.

Bolded; that so much. The only thing I find similar in them is that PC feels like a natural evolution to Heritage, but even then I feel they're completely different in tone and the overall ebb and flow of the album. I've never identified with all the comparisons and/or complaints about the 70's prog aspect because I've never listened to much of it, so in that aspect I suppose I'm lucky (weirdly I haven't liked what little I have heard). That said, of course these two albums will feel more similar than the rest since they're the starkest difference to the rest, and thus a natural pair, but all that considered, I still see Heritage and PC as being pretty stark contrasts of each other most of the time as well.

I think specifically because of that though, they're a great pair. And yes, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. (Only problem I've had is with how certain ones have been conveyed, but even then, I shouldn't care so much and it's not worth the arguments; agree to disagree is the best way to let it be)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Riitasointi on August 28, 2014, 03:58:11 AM
My 2 cents at this point:

It's really strange to me that some people are going like "Whoooah man Pale Communion is totally different from Heritage, so goooooddd!!" when to me they are essentially the same. Heritage has overall darker aura to it I think, whereas PC has some things that remind of Watershed and Damnation, but otherwise they share the same atmosphere. It might be stupid and overly simplified but I think Opeth has only two different sounds in their career: Orchid through Watershed and then the two latest. And no matter which way you look at it, it's because the heavy sections sound different, as Onno very well said above.

Saying all this, I've listened to Pale Communion some more and at this point it's starting to sound better again  ;D Hope it will grow some more.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 28, 2014, 04:10:30 AM
Eh, I personally do think that's pretty over simplified. But then again, while there's a few tracks throughout Opeth's career that I may not like all that much, they're a rare band I can say I pretty much love all their material. I really think each album has it's own specific flavor. Of course, there are certain 'eras' of similarities or even purposeful relation between albums, but each album has it's own statement and I think Opeth has had a pretty varied statement for the very specific genre they stuck to for so long. I love it though, the slight change through their career and then out of nowhere, Heritage.

Anyway, as I said, of course Heritage and PC have a similar vibe, but I think that's where it ends. I wouldn't go nearly as far to say that they're 'essentially the same'. Then again...we've got different ear holes! It's interesting, for sure. We simply hear it differently. To me Heritage was all about restraint and whispering ambiance, along with being pretty dark and foreboding; PC feels very much a 'bright' evolution of it, but it's so much more vibrant, varied and has many more ups and downs to me. It's still dark in places, but I feel that tonally, it's a far cry from Heritage's somber, restrained approach; PC feels louder, more versatility and eeriness. I've seen a few people call it boring and I simply don't identify with that at all; I can't see it. Which is fine, but yeah it's strange how utterly different people's view on the same songs can be.

That's part of the fun though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Riitasointi on August 28, 2014, 04:36:42 AM
Anyway, as I said, of course Heritage and PC have a similar vibe, but I think that's where it ends.
That's it really, to me that "vibe" is everything basically. I don't know how to put this more clearly but to me the atmosphere an album creates is the most important thing. And that's why I love Opeth! They have an amazing emotional quality to their music even when the style has changed in the 2010s.

I really dig River now, which is a very good sign for the future of this album. It's has a very positive, uplifting and soothing quality to it, something that I can't really say of many Opeth songs. Very interesting piece with some great vocal harmonies and melodic guitar.

That's part of the fun though.
Definitely!  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on August 28, 2014, 05:20:28 AM
I found that positive vibe of The River to be slightly off-putting at first, but it has grown on me. Especially because the rest of the song is fantastic, some truly unpredictable moments in the later half of it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on August 28, 2014, 06:29:54 AM
So, I was sitting in the front room, reading, and listening to Pale Communion last night. Mrs. P came in and sat in her favorite chair and started reading her own book. Time passes in the marital bliss that is sitting together in the same room while a light rain falls outside and the dog snores quietly from the floor, consuming literature and music simultaneously.

About two minutes after the album ends, the Missus looks up from her book and asks,"Who was that?"

"You mean the music?"

"Of course the music you silly old fool!" She says with a crooked smile.

"Opeth, ya ornry ol' battleaxe"

"The depressing Swedish orcs?!" She exclaims with much surprise.

 :rollin I pretty much just dissolved into a giggling puddle at that point. Anyway, after I could breath and comprehend human speech, she told me she really liked it and wants me to put the album onto general rotation for the house stereo. I guess they made a new fan!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on August 28, 2014, 06:31:28 AM
Well that's a new description for the band :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on August 28, 2014, 06:41:12 AM
Well that's a new description for the band :lol

I guess you have to think of it from a total outsiders point of view. I mean the most radical music she listens to is Depeche Mode (which I like too). She's only ever noticed Opeth when one of their heavy/growl songs are on and while intruding on me working in the garage or coming home from being out with friends and heard me playing it. Always in the past she would ask, "Who is that?" as if she were holding her nose and just barely her gorge. I would tell her, of course, and explain where they were from and the genre of music. I would even explain why I liked it but it's obvious (now) what her take away was.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 28, 2014, 07:24:15 AM
I think we'd all be a lot better if we didn't have to defend our opinions.  I listened to the album four times now, and nothing is grabbing my attention, therefore I am not particularly enjoying it.  It is when people force others to analyze the music, try to put their finger on what they don't like, and defend their opinions that the counterarguments start to take the original premise too far or over extrapolate that these arguments happen.  If someone, black_floyd for instance, misses the heaviness, he's allowed to.  In my case, I like Damnation and other non-heavy music from other bands, so I don't think that is the issue for me.  When I try to quantify what I don't like about it because "I don't like it" isn't an acceptable answer to people who like it or feel the need to defend Mikael, I trying to point to something that I honestly have not put my finger on.  In the interim, my official stance on Pale Communion is, "All I know is that when I listen to it nothing grabs my attention and makes me want to listen."  I hope you enjoy the album, and I honestly hope I come around on it too, but seeing that I still feel the same way about Heritage as I did when that came out, I don't see that happening. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on August 28, 2014, 07:29:48 AM
I think we'd all be a lot better if we didn't have to defend our opinions.  I listened to the album four times now, and nothing is grabbing my attention, therefore I am not particularly enjoying it.  It is when people force others to analyze the music, try to put their finger on what they don't like, and defend their opinions that the counterarguments start to take the original premise too far or over extrapolate that these arguments happen.  If someone, black_floyd for instance, misses the heaviness, he's allowed to.  In my case, I like Damnation and other non-heavy music from other bands, so I don't think that is the issue for me.  When I try to quantify what I don't like about it because "I don't like it" isn't an acceptable answer to people who like it or feel the need to defend Mikael, I trying to point to something that I honestly have not put my finger on.  In the interim, my official stance on Pale Communion is, "All I know is that when I listen to it nothing grabs my attention and makes me want to listen."  I hope you enjoy the album, and I honestly hope I come around on it too, but seeing that I still feel the same way about Heritage as I did when that came out, I don't see that happening.
:clap:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 28, 2014, 07:34:31 AM
I think it's great if we ARE able to discuss and point out specific criticisms of music, film, TV, whatever, but sometimes you just don't like it.

That is definitely tough for some people here to accept.

Thus far, the person whose views I agree with most on this album are ariich.  But I totally see why longtime Opeth fans have misgivings about this album (or outright don't like it).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on August 28, 2014, 07:37:08 AM
Agreed, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and some people simply don't like the new albums.

I do find a lot of inconsistency though. People say "it's not because the albums aren't heavy, it's just because they aren't good", but then follow up by saying "if I want 70s prog I have plenty of better albums to listen to". Surely that's the case for death metal as well though. If it's about quality and not genre, then why even mention the 70s prog thing? (I'm not including black_floyd in this, because he's been pretty open about hating the lack of heaviness).

Also, I find it a bit rich that people jumped down PROGdrummer's throat for suggesting that the older Opeth albums were samey, while insisting that Heritage and Pale Communion are the same. Those two albums are as different as any of the "death metal era minus Damnation" ones.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on August 28, 2014, 07:52:12 AM
I also think some people (and this is not just with Opeth, but in other threads as well) keep coming back with the same post over and over, and that's what gets some people riled up, and not the opinion itself. Saying a couple of times that you didn't like the album/direction or whatever is one thing, but sometimes it's like people keep coming back with 25 posts about it. As soon as someone else has replied to the thread with their opinion, these people feel the need to post yet another post about their thoughts on the album. At that point it becomes a "yeah we get it", and some people go into defend mode with the "it's all just opinions".

Again, not pointing out anyone specific here, but sometimes it's not the opinion itself but how you chose to express it. And this happens quite often in other threads as well, so some people probably don't even think about it. For example, I recently browsed through the Oceansize-thread and found probably 10-15 posts by myself in 2-3 pages about pretty much the exact same opinion, I did not notice it at the time, but in hindsight, I could totally see how that would be frustrating to some. Not the opinions themselves, but going through the same stuff for so many posts. Sometimes you don't realize you do it until afterwards.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 28, 2014, 08:26:45 AM
Nice.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 28, 2014, 08:31:36 AM
The way your post was worded, as well as most others sharing that sentiment, comes off as basically saying the metal fans will just take whatever's shoveled onto their plates with no critical thought process involved whatsoever since you put it this way...

I definitely didnt mean it like that. All i was really trying to say was that its nice to have some variety in Opeth's discography. As someone else stated, the band had remained consistent from Orchid to Watershed, with every album having a really similar tone and sound, and song's being structured similarly.
Now there's been a change in the songwriting, its far more old-school prog, a little jazzy. It's nice.
Its nice to have both Death Metal and Progressive Rock in one discography.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 28, 2014, 08:37:37 AM
I agree when people say Opeth stopped at Ghost Reveries. Of course they made some good songs on Watershed and Heritage, but nothing on the same level. He can barely growl anymore. Just watch any youtube video from 2008 to 2014 or the Albert Hall concert and then get a bootleg from 2000-2004 (or the 5 growl songs from Lamentation) and compare the level. It sounds totally different and much more energetic, brutal. He had total control over his growls. Today he can't even hold his growls long..

I don't know about the others, but the reasons why I listen to Opeth are the growls, death metal passages, heavy riffs. I also love the soft, mellow passages, but Opeth for me is 80% heavy with growls and 20% mellow.

Even if you make an album of Opeth ballads from 1995 to 2005 you have a better album than Pale Communion or Heritage, in my opinion

Get Benighted, A Fair Judgement, To Bid You Farewell, Credence, Face Of Melinda, Harvest, Hours Of Wealth (beautiful ballad) and Isolation Years. IMO, every and each one of those songs are better than anything in Heritage or Pale Communion. So.. it is not because Pale Communion and Heritage don't have growls that I don't like it. I don't have anything against the change of sound, but they aren't doing songs on the same level.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 28, 2014, 08:55:25 AM
Even if you make an album of Opeth ballads from 1995 to 2005 you have a better album than Pale Communion or Heritage, in my opinion.

Get Benighted, A Fair Judgement, To Bid You Farewell, Credence, Face Of Melinda, Harvest, Hours Of Wealth (beautiful ballad) and Isolation Years. IMO, every and each one of those songs are better than anything in Heritage or Pale Communion. So.. it is not because Pale Communion and Heritage don't have growls that I don't like it.

totally agreed — they've been ripping off Camel and other old prog bands from the start with great results; it's just now that the whole thing comes off stale for me because the variety is gone. it doesn't have to be death metal vs. Camel, it doesn't need to be keyboardless... it's just Opeth focusing on one side of their sound as a permanent direction and that really, really removes a big part of why i listen to them. (obviously, i realize the validity that the old albums are there to listen to forever, and that by the time they made Watershed, it was clear that the old formulas were failing.)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 28, 2014, 09:01:04 AM
I think we'd all be a lot better if we didn't have to defend our opinions.  I listened to the album four times now, and nothing is grabbing my attention, therefore I am not particularly enjoying it.  It is when people force others to analyze the music, try to put their finger on what they don't like, and defend their opinions that the counterarguments start to take the original premise too far or over extrapolate that these arguments happen.  If someone, black_floyd for instance, misses the heaviness, he's allowed to.  In my case, I like Damnation and other non-heavy music from other bands, so I don't think that is the issue for me.  When I try to quantify what I don't like about it because "I don't like it" isn't an acceptable answer to people who like it or feel the need to defend Mikael, I trying to point to something that I honestly have not put my finger on.  In the interim, my official stance on Pale Communion is, "All I know is that when I listen to it nothing grabs my attention and makes me want to listen."  I hope you enjoy the album, and I honestly hope I come around on it too, but seeing that I still feel the same way about Heritage as I did when that came out, I don't see that happening.

I agree with you. However, while I mostly hate discussions in which everyone tries to prove everyone else right or wrong and am very reluctant to engage in these discussions, I do enjoy discussions which have the sole aim of trying to understand why people have a different opinion from one another. My purpose in the discussion about Heritage and Pale Communion has never been the former, but rather the latter. Let me give an example.

If someone states that Heritage and PC sound like 70s prog rock, I accept that. I even agree on that. However, if someone states that they do not sound like Opeth albums, I don't quite understand why that person thinks that. Rather than trying to prove that they sound like Opeth albums, I prefer to explain why I think they sound like Opeth albums, i.e. by stating examples of where I think the music sounds like classic Opeth, and discussing about what makes them not sound like typical Opeth albums.

To sum it up: I don't have anything against people who don't like Heritage or PC, and I don't mean to try to prove them wrong. I do, however, enjoy discussion about why some people like these albums and others don't like them. If you don't want to do that, that's fine :tup I don't mean to attack anyone's opinions, and I don't think I did. But if someone feels I've done that, please tell me :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: devieira73 on August 28, 2014, 09:05:52 AM
More sort of a "Ghost Reveries to today" fan here ;D)

Going a little off the topic, but taking the opportunity, could someone tell me what are the Opeth songs without growls pre-Ghost Reveries (without the entire Damnation, of course)?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on August 28, 2014, 09:08:56 AM
Well, while I can't contribute anything to the new album discussion because according to Amazon it will arrive at 16th September (:lol), I just wanted to say it's different strokes for different folks. The only albums from Opeth I fully enjoy are Damnation and Heritage, and that's not because I didn't try; I have all their albums except the first one. There are cool bits and sections here and there, but when the growls come up, I just want to turn it off. Even though they are damn impressive. Just not my thing.

With all that, I'm sure I will enjoy Pale Communion too. I thought Eternal Rains and The Cusp were quite good, and I can't wait to hear the rest of the record. But I totally can understand people who's disappointed with new mellow-proggy direction or with songs' quality. It's just tastes, everyone has the different ones.

Get Benighted, A Fair Judgement, To Bid You Farewell, Credence, Face Of Melinda, Harvest, Hours Of Wealth (beautiful ballad) and Isolation Years. IMO, every and each one of those songs are better than anything in Heritage or Pale Communion.

Well, again, matter of opinions. I enjoyed Folklore, The Devil's Orchard, both Heritage and Marrow of the Earth for their simplicity (maybe something else from Heritage, but as I'm always listening to it as a whole, I don't recall which song comes after which in the middle :lol), and both Rains and Cusp the same, or maybe even more than some of those songs. Hours of Wealth is glorious though, that I totally agree with.  :tup

All in all, I just can't wait for the new record to arrive.  :D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 28, 2014, 09:14:28 AM
More sort of a "Ghost Reveries to today" fan here ;D)

Going a little off the topic, but taking the opportunity, could someone tell me what are the Opeth songs without growls pre-Ghost Reveries (without the entire Damnation, of course)?

Thanks!

Silhouette and Requiem from Orchid (though they're both instrumental transition tracks, not really full songs)
To Bid You Farewell from Morningrise
Prologue, Madrigal, Epilogue (all instrumental) and Credence from My Arms, Your Hearse
Benighted and Face of Melinda from Still Life
Harvest and Patterns in the Ivy from Blackwater Park (PITY is instrumental)
A Fair Judgement and For Absent Friends from Deliverance (FAF is instrumental)

In addition, the bonus tracks Patterns in the Ivy II and Still Day Beneath The Sun from the limited edition of Blackwater Park are also growlless.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on August 28, 2014, 09:17:32 AM
@ Onno,

Yea, I guess I should explain that my posts have been more aimed at why I think the last two albums still belong in the discography rather than to argue against people who don't. I totally get it even though I don't feel the same.

Anyway, ITT, the only one who's opinion has been coldly and cruelly attacked is mine...and by my own true love, to boot!  :biggrin:

More sort of a "Ghost Reveries to today" fan here ;D)

Funny that, I was listening to Ghost Reveries yesterday and I thought that if you changed the occasional growls to singing, turned down the gain on the amps and turned off the chorus pedal, Ghost of Perdition would be a middle of the pack Heritage song. That's just my view and not meant as a negative criticism...remember, I really dig both albums. A lot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 28, 2014, 09:17:39 AM
Well, while I can't contribute anything to the new album discussion because according to Amazon it will arrive at 16th September (:lol), I just wanted to say it's different strokes for different folks. The only albums from Opeth I fully enjoy are Damnation and Heritage, and that's not because I didn't try; I have all their albums except the first one. There are cool bits and sections here and there, but when the growls come up, I just want to turn it off. Even though they are damn impressive. Just not my thing.


....Why?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on August 28, 2014, 09:21:09 AM
Well, while I can't contribute anything to the new album discussion because according to Amazon it will arrive at 16th September (:lol), I just wanted to say it's different strokes for different folks. The only albums from Opeth I fully enjoy are Damnation and Heritage, and that's not because I didn't try; I have all their albums except the first one. There are cool bits and sections here and there, but when the growls come up, I just want to turn it off. Even though they are damn impressive. Just not my thing.

....Why?

I just bought the whole discography except the debut back in 2009 with some mad thoughts like "if this won't help me to get into growls, nothing will". Dunno what I was thinking really.

My friend who tolerates growls well enough always borrows them though.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on August 28, 2014, 09:22:14 AM
@ Onno,

Yea, I guess I should explain that my posts have been more aimed at why I think the last two albums still belong in the discography rather than to argue against people who don't. I totally get it even though I don't feel the same.

Anyway, ITT, the only one who's opinion has been coldly and cruelly attacked is mine...and by my own true love, to boot!  :biggrin:

More sort of a "Ghost Reveries to today" fan here ;D)
Funny that, I was listening to Ghost Reveries yesterday and I thought that if you changed the occasional growls to singing, turned down the gain on the amps and turned off the chorus pedal, Ghost of Perdition would be a middle of the pack Heritage song. That's just my view and not meant as a negative criticism...remember, I really dig both albums. A lot.
So pretty much if you changed everything about the song sound wise it would sound like a Heritage song? Also disagree, partially because the drumming is metal as fuck in that song, amongst other reasons.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: theseoafs on August 28, 2014, 09:25:26 AM
Wow, this thread is a mess.

I like Heritage and the new album.  I never liked Opeth's harsh vocals so I welcome the direction they seem to be going in for the long term.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on August 28, 2014, 09:26:31 AM
DC, I just think we're listening with different ears--which is all good. Vive la différence. I agree it's metal as fuck but, and here's the tricky part, so is Folklore from Heritage...IF you turned up the gain on the amps, stomped on the chorus pedal and growled out the lyrics!  :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on August 28, 2014, 09:28:01 AM
DC, I just think we're listening with different ears--which is all good. Vive la différence. I agree it's metal as fuck but, and here's the tricky part, so is Folklore from Heritage...IF you turned up the gain on the amps, stomped on the chorus pedal and growled out the lyrics!  :)
Well no offense but....that's kind of an obvious conclusion to those additions.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 28, 2014, 09:46:44 AM
In Podaar's example, I agree it would change the sound; however, that change in sound to me is relatively close to, say, if a band did an acoustic version of one of their existing songs. In principle, that does not changes the structure and idea behind the song, but it does change the sound.  An example of this is Demon of the Fall. Since I believe many of you who dislike Heritage and PC also didn't really like the acoustic version of DotF very much, I think I can now better understand why you don't like Heritage and PC. Although I prefer the original version of DotF, I also like the acoustic version. Maybe that's why I like Heritage and PC and still think those albums sound like classic Opeth, although a bit differently?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on August 28, 2014, 09:58:13 AM
In Podaar's example, I agree it would change the sound; however, that change in sound to me is relatively close to, say, if a band did an acoustic version of one of their existing songs. In principle, that does not changes the structure and idea behind the song, but it does change the sound.  An example of this is Demon of the Fall. Since I believe many of you who dislike Heritage and PC also didn't really like the acoustic version of DotF very much, I think I can now better understand why you don't like Heritage and PC. Although I prefer the original version of DotF, I also like the acoustic version. Maybe that's why I like Heritage and PC and still think those albums sound like classic Opeth, although a bit differently?
:iagree:

I can hear a lot of echoes of Damnation and GR on Pale Communion. I don't understand the "this sounds nothing like old Opeth" comments, because 70s prog has always been a big part of the Opeth sound, and it's not like they took a 180-degree turn with Heritage. Mikael has been a songwriter for 25 years and created a distinct style that's still all over the new stuff - you can't escape your past competely. Dismissing Heritage and PC as 70s worship with no originality is unfair, because these albums still have an eerie and dark feel that you can't find it in most of 70s prog. While songs like Cusp and Eternal Rains may not be metal, you can hear that they were written by someone with a metal background.

Also, the only direct 70s rip-off in the Opeth discography is in Benighted, and that song was released 15 years ago. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on August 28, 2014, 10:10:37 AM
In Podaar's example, I agree it would change the sound; however, that change in sound to me is relatively close to, say, if a band did an acoustic version of one of their existing songs. In principle, that does not changes the structure and idea behind the song, but it does change the sound.  An example of this is Demon of the Fall. Since I believe many of you who dislike Heritage and PC also didn't really like the acoustic version of DotF very much, I think I can now better understand why you don't like Heritage and PC. Although I prefer the original version of DotF, I also like the acoustic version. Maybe that's why I like Heritage and PC and still think those albums sound like classic Opeth, although a bit differently?
I do like Heritage though  :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 28, 2014, 10:18:07 AM
Oh, wow! That's interesting. I'm sorry if you've already posted about this and I missed it, but it's hard to keep track of everything, so could you tell me why exactly you don't like PC while you do like Heritage? :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on August 28, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
Oh, wow! That's interesting. I'm sorry if you've already posted about this and I missed it, but it's hard to keep track of everything, so could you tell me why exactly you don't like PC while you do like Heritage? :)
To keep it short, sweet, mildly sweatered, and simple, while I think Heritage has it's problems, it has some pretty outstanding tracks, despite it's wandering aimlessly, where as PC for me just feels like retreading, and aimlessly noodling. It's a more active album I suppose but nothing grabs my interest at all or stays in my head compared to Heritage which has some pretty damned good moments.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 28, 2014, 10:27:54 AM
While I was on my lunchtime walk, Ghost of Perdition came up on Pandora.  Fuck yes :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 28, 2014, 10:55:37 AM
To keep it short, sweet, mildly sweltered, and simple, while I think Heritage has it's problems, it has some pretty outstanding tracks, despite it's wandering aimlessly, where as PC for me just feels like retreading, and aimlessly noodling. It's a more active album I suppose but nothing grabs my interest at all or stays in my head compared to Heritage which has some pretty damned good moments.
Agreed. I like Heritage too, but not as much as the other albums. Pale Communion is the only album I dislike.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: devieira73 on August 28, 2014, 11:40:26 AM

Thanks a lot, Onno!  :tup  I'll try to listen them.

More sort of a "Ghost Reveries to today" fan here ;D)

Going a little off the topic, but taking the opportunity, could someone tell me what are the Opeth songs without growls pre-Ghost Reveries (without the entire Damnation, of course)?

Thanks!

Silhouette and Requiem from Orchid (though they're both instrumental transition tracks, not really full songs)


To Bid You Farewell from Morningrise
Prologue, Madrigal, Epilogue (all instrumental) and Credence from My Arms, Your Hearse
Benighted and Face of Melinda from Still Life
Harvest and Patterns in the Ivy from Blackwater Park (PITY is instrumental)
A Fair Judgement and For Absent Friends from Deliverance (FAF is instrumental)

In addition, the bonus tracks Patterns in the Ivy II and Still Day Beneath The Sun from the limited edition of Blackwater Park are also growlless.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 28, 2014, 11:46:02 AM
Patterns In The Ivy II, oh my god my love for this song.  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 28, 2014, 02:05:25 PM
Oh, wow! That's interesting. I'm sorry if you've already posted about this and I missed it, but it's hard to keep track of everything, so could you tell me why exactly you don't like PC while you do like Heritage? :)
To keep it short, sweet, mildly sweltered, and simple, while I think Heritage has it's problems, it has some pretty outstanding tracks, despite it's wandering aimlessly, where as PC for me just feels like retreading, and aimlessly noodling. It's a more active album I suppose but nothing grabs my interest at all or stays in my head compared to Heritage which has some pretty damned good moments.
Fair enough, I can see where you are coming from. To each his own! :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 28, 2014, 02:36:25 PM
One thing is for certain: Akerfeldt certainly knows how to keep his fan base abuzz. Even if he loses some of that fan base or some don't like the direction as much, it's good to know that there's always something to discuss other than either universal praise or hate. Always interesting, that's for shizzle.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Genowyn on August 28, 2014, 03:31:59 PM
So I can't decide if I should listen to PC considering I had the same problem with Heritage that has been stated a few times (literally nothing grabbed my attention) or if I should just go back and listen to GR or BWP or something. :lol

I'm in such an Opeth mood right now either way.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 28, 2014, 03:34:46 PM
Just listen to it. At worst, you wasted 50-something minutes.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on August 28, 2014, 03:35:15 PM
So I can't decide if I should listen to PC considering I had the same problem with Heritage that has been stated a few times (literally nothing grabbed my attention) or if I should just go back and listen to GR or BWP or something. :lol

I'm in such an Opeth mood right now either way.
Eh, give a few tracks a whirl, who knows maybe you'll find something you enjoy. At the very least, it's worth attempting a listen because you might hear something in there that you like, or you might not, but it's worth checking out at the very least.

But yeah it's pretty similar to Heritage if you ask me, but not good like Heritage was :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on August 28, 2014, 04:58:18 PM
Just listened to the album again. I am liking it much better the second time around. Both Voice of Treason and Elysian Woes are now standouts, the latter of which may be my favorite from the record. 4 of 8 songs clicking on the second listen. That is better than most albums, even most Opeth albums. The only other album of theirs that grew on me this fast was MAYH. I still prefer their discography up to and including GR, and will likely play one of those when I am in the mood for Opeth, though I do see myself giving this one a spin every once in a while.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 28, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
Awesome blossom!  :tup :tup I love the hell out of Voice of Treason.  :heart
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 28, 2014, 07:33:09 PM
I've had Voice of Treason stuck in my head all day.

She knows I'm the one who sought her
When we fought, we fought so hard
She holds the secret, won't show me how
How to break the riddle in her eyes
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 28, 2014, 07:53:01 PM
 :metal +  :millahhhh
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 28, 2014, 08:01:29 PM
The combination of the melody, the strings, and the beat make it absolutely one of the catchiest songs theyve probably written. I find myself swaying my head cheerfully to the verses.

River is like, feelgood song of the year though. I'm always in a much better mood every time the song starts. The guitar lead starting at 2:00-2:50 melts me every time.  :heart Just lovely.

Okay, now I'll stop being gay for PC.   Moon Above has a very strong pre-Heritage Opeth sound to it.  It totally reminds me of stuff from Ghost Reveries and Watershed, sans the growls of course.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on August 29, 2014, 11:06:19 AM
JP talks a little about Opeth:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_why_i_love_opeth.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_why_i_love_opeth.html)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 29, 2014, 12:18:17 PM
Oh, wow! That's interesting. I'm sorry if you've already posted about this and I missed it, but it's hard to keep track of everything, so could you tell me why exactly you don't like PC while you do like Heritage? :)
To keep it short, sweet, mildly sweltered, and simple, while I think Heritage has it's problems, it has some pretty outstanding tracks, despite it's wandering aimlessly, where as PC for me just feels like retreading, and aimlessly noodling. It's a more active album I suppose but nothing grabs my interest at all or stays in my head compared to Heritage which has some pretty damned good moments.


I think that's fair enough, DC.   ;D [size=78%] [/size] My favorite Opeth album so far is Watershed, but Pale Communion may just overtake that.  For me it's pretty simple.  I don't like the growling.  At all.  Which is why I expected to enjoy Heritage more than I did.  But despite the very cool cover and a couple of decent songs, the rest doesn't really do much for me.  It's not a bad album per se, it's just not something I have any interest in listening to very often.   


So, I had really low expectations going into Pale Communion.   And at first I didn't think much of it to be honest.  But repeated listening really paid off. 


Something else I noticed - and I think a few people have already touched on this- there may not be any growls on this and they may have turned the distortion down, but there is no mistaking this is an Opeth album.  There are quite a few riffs and passages that -if not for the guitar sound- would fit on Ghost Reveries or Watershed easily.


Now that I have the actual CD and it's ripped to my iPod, I CAN'T STOP LISTENING TO IT!!!!!!!!   :omg: :omg: :omg:   :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Lowdz on August 29, 2014, 01:09:14 PM
Just listened to the non-growl tracks listed further back. Very nice. They would fit nicely in this album - there were a couple on that album I have, I don't think I got that far on my only previous listen.
The songs on PC sound like Opeth songs though, I guess its just the lack of the growly songs that's freaking some people out. For me its a good thing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 29, 2014, 01:21:30 PM
I listened to the stream and its Opeth hands down.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 29, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
 :rollin :rollin I dunno why but that's got me in stitches. For some reason I read it like...  "Guys...we have confirmed...IT IS INDEED OPETH WE'RE LISTENING TO!"

 :lol  :heart Tears of laughter. I haven't had that in a while...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on August 29, 2014, 01:37:24 PM
JP talks a little about Opeth:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_why_i_love_opeth.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_why_i_love_opeth.html)
The story about the ADTOE mixing session is cool! :D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on August 30, 2014, 09:42:51 AM
:rollin :rollin I dunno why but that's got me in stitches. For some reason I read it like...  "Guys...we have confirmed...IT IS INDEED OPETH WE'RE LISTENING TO!"

 :lol  :heart Tears of laughter. I haven't had that in a while...
:lol Yea, have you heard the album? It's really true. Heritage didn't really sound like Opeth and kinda made me wary for their future. It was a fine album but if they were gonna keep doing things like that, I'd quickly lose interest. It's very refreshing to hear that the new Opeth actually sounds like Opeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 30, 2014, 10:10:38 AM
Eh, I think Heritage sounds very much like Opeth and to me has even more of a classic vibe than PC does. It was more in the atmosphere though than it was in the actual music; PC has more guitar tones and instrumentals that sound like Opeth to me, but Hertiage gave me more of that old-school feeling, if that makes sense. Don't get me wrong, there's moments on PC where I immediately flashed back to an older Opeth time (a few beginning guitar lines in Elysian Woes and Cusp of Eternity, bits a pieces scattered throughout other songs), but overall I think this is the album where they're starting to carve out a new sound. Again, just what I hear and it's great that Akerfeldt has created an album that has got so much discussion going about past, present and future.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 30, 2014, 12:56:09 PM
JP talks a little about Opeth:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_why_i_love_opeth.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_why_i_love_opeth.html)
Pretty neat  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 30, 2014, 03:35:07 PM
Eh, I think Heritage sounds very much like Opeth and to me has even more of a classic vibe than PC does. It was more in the atmosphere though than it was in the actual music; PC has more guitar tones and instrumentals that sound like Opeth to me, but Hertiage gave me more of that old-school feeling, if that makes sense. Don't get me wrong, there's moments on PC where I immediately flashed back to an older Opeth time (a few beginning guitar lines in Elysian Woes and Cusp of Eternity, bits a pieces scattered throughout other songs), but overall I think this is the album where they're starting to carve out a new sound. Again, just what I hear and it's great that Akerfeldt has created an album that has got so much discussion going about past, present and future.
I completely agree.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on August 30, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
JP talks a little about Opeth:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_why_i_love_opeth.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/john_petrucci_why_i_love_opeth.html)

I think this is the first time I've seen someone else other than Portnoy talk about Opeth in an interview. I figured some of the other members liked Opeth to some degree, but it's awesome to hear Petrucci talk about why he loves Opeth!  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on August 30, 2014, 09:22:53 PM
I remember reading somewhere that Myung was really into Watershed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Rattlehead on August 30, 2014, 09:36:02 PM
I think the new album is excellent; probably my favorite since Ghost Reveries. There is not one weak track in my opinion.

Also, it is cool to read JP's comments on the band, although it does not surprise me at all that he likes them.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: SystematicThought on August 31, 2014, 01:21:30 AM
I guess I was just more shocked that they were at the ADTOE mixing sessions. That was cool to read.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on August 31, 2014, 03:23:05 AM
I remember reading somewhere that Myung was really into Watershed.
Yeah, me too. And I also remember Jordan listed Heritage as one of his favorite albums of 2011, so James would probably be the only one that hasn't really commented on Opeth - or maybe I just don't know about it.

I guess I was just more shocked that they were at the ADTOE mixing sessions. That was cool to read.
I was surprised by this as well. Honestly, I had the impression that MP was the one that hung out with Mikael the most during the tours and I don't know if any other band member did. So to read that Mikael caught up with the other guys to listen to the music they made without MP was pretty cool.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2014, 05:27:34 AM
Picked up my copy of Pale Communion and am listening to it for the first time.  I'm not sure what to think.  I don't know if I like it or hate it.  I know Mikael seems to be against the metal thing, but I think it needs that contrast.  I hear little bits of classic Ghost Reveries style Opeth in here, but it just doesn't seem to get going.  It's needs the metal counterparts.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: King Postwhore on August 31, 2014, 05:43:22 AM
Picked up my copy of Pale Communion and am listening to it for the first time.  I'm not sure what to think.  I don't know if I like it or hate it.  I know Mikael seems to be against the metal thing, but I think it needs that contrast.  I hear little bits of classic Ghost Reveries style Opeth in here, but it just doesn't seem to get going.  It's needs the metal counterparts.

While I'm really loving this album, I do agree they can still have that heavy crunch of guitars while still not growling.  That add dimension to the music.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2014, 05:45:28 AM
Picked up my copy of Pale Communion and am listening to it for the first time.  I'm not sure what to think.  I don't know if I like it or hate it.  I know Mikael seems to be against the metal thing, but I think it needs that contrast.  I hear little bits of classic Ghost Reveries style Opeth in here, but it just doesn't seem to get going.  It's needs the metal counterparts.

While I'm really loving this album, I do agree they can still have that heavy crunch of guitars while still not growling.  That add dimension to the music.

Yes.  I didn't mean they must have death growls and shit, cause I'm open for whatever the band does, but it seems to me that Mikael is purposely going out of his way not to incorporate the heavier Opeth style in any way.  Some heavier and more intense moments here would have made this pretty special.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on August 31, 2014, 02:07:03 PM
Listening to the album for the first time now. I'm really liking it. Parts of it are kind of poppy, like "River". It's actually kind of funny contrasting something like "Goblin" with, I don't know, "Serenity Painted Death". :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Lynxo on August 31, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
By the way, I listened to the two Heritage bonus tracks the other day. I really love both of them, especially Face in the Snow. It's really beautiful. :'(
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on August 31, 2014, 03:37:29 PM
I like Pyre a lot more than Face in the Snow, but Face in the Snow is nice
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: The Holy Tune on August 31, 2014, 05:33:26 PM
I loved Faith In Others, it has a different sound to it while being very familiar to something I've heard a looong time ago. The way the song begins with the fade-in effect was what hit me first, had me shivering! But I still have to listen to it for about 100 times to really get what the song actually is like! :laugh:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 31, 2014, 08:42:49 PM
Just listened to My Arms, Your Hearse for the very first time today.

Its fantastic  :tup revisited Still Life the day before and it kind of bored me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 31, 2014, 08:48:42 PM
After multiple listens, I can safely say that I LOVE this record. It seems to fly by every time I play it, doesn't seem like 55 minutes, more like 15. There' something about the songs on this one that seem to flow real well, and I think they will really come to life when performed live and I say bring it on!

Favs:
Moon Above, Sun Below
Voice Of Treason
Eternal Rains Will Come
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on August 31, 2014, 09:18:31 PM
Prog: Nice! On some days I can call it my favorite Opeth album. Madrigal is one of my favorite intermission songs as is the song it leads into, and the end of Karma always gets my roror goin'.

Great to hear, fade! I've been letting the album have a rest, I wanna revisit it during the fall on a very dreary day. Except Voice of Treason. By far and away one of my top favorite songs by the guys at this point. It's just so darkly groovy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on August 31, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Prog: Nice! On some days I can call it my favorite Opeth album. Madrigal is one of my favorite intermission songs as is the song it leads into, and the end of Karma always gets my roror goin'.

Its been a while since I've heard an album where I love every single song instantly on my first listen through.
I woke up this morning to heavy rainfall and popped this album in on my way to work. The opening of Prologue was perfect. A great way to start my day  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 31, 2014, 10:00:28 PM
Just listened to My Arms, Your Hearse for the very first time today.

Its fantastic  :tup revisited Still Life the day before and it kind of bored me.

Agreed. MAYH is fantastic, easily the best pre-BWP album.
I also find Still Life to be quite overrated.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on August 31, 2014, 10:03:22 PM
Yeah, I don't seem to be in love with Still Life the same way many Opeth fans are. It's a great album, no doubt, but doesn't come close to the echelon of Ghost Reveries or BWP for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 31, 2014, 10:06:36 PM
I think I'd like GR a bit more if the first three tracks weren't so samey. They all have their own thing going on but even after owning it for 9 years, the majority of their instrumental sections are hard for me to place whether they're in one song or either of the other two.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 31, 2014, 10:17:05 PM
Honestly, I think the initial three-song run of GR is the best part of the album.

To me, the album really starts dragging towards the end, after Harlequin Forest.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on August 31, 2014, 10:22:56 PM
For me, Harlequin Forest drags a bit, but then Hours of Wealth offers a really different, nice change of pace with the atmosphere it puts on. Such a mellow, beautiful piece. :heart

The Grand Conjuration is a killer track and while Isolation Years isn't the strongest of closers, it wraps up the album quite nicely.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on September 01, 2014, 12:10:59 AM
Harlequin Forest is my favorite track  :smiley:

So, is it official that Ghost Reveries is the best Opeth album? It seems to be the most discussed and most highly regarded album by the band amongst us here on DTF.  :P  It also seems to be the go-to example for "classic Opeth sound".
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 01, 2014, 12:17:23 AM
So, is it official that Ghost Reveries is the best Opeth album?
No. It's a little too samey at points, but it does have some good/great tracks.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 01, 2014, 12:35:54 AM
After Watershed, where I thought only half the tracks were good, and Heritage, which for me was a huge disappointment, I thought I would pass on this one. But when I saw that PC is up on Spotify, curiosity took over and I listened to it three or four times over the weekend. Pale Communion is so much better than Heritage, at least imo. I really liked what I heard and now I must go out and buy it.

PC is even more relaxed and layed back than Heritage but it is more cohesive. Where Heritage's songs plod along sometimes aimlessly, the songs on PC seem more focused, more to the point. But I need several more listenings to see where it stands for me in the Opeth discography.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 01, 2014, 12:41:55 AM
It's bottom-tier for me these days, to be honest. I loved it when it first came out and still love a couple songs, but as an album I don't ever spin it. I think it's great at parts, but a bit redundant at points and perhaps the only record where I see Akerfeldt's current view on the whole metal schtick being samey/a bit 'too much'. It's the only album I feel that way about. Then again my opinions hardly ever mesh with the masses, so no surprises here.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: me7 on September 01, 2014, 12:48:15 AM
I loved Faith In Others, it has a different sound to it while being very familiar to something I've heard a looong time ago.

It reminds me a lot of King Crimson's Starless.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on September 01, 2014, 01:58:44 AM
So, is it official that Ghost Reveries is the best Opeth album?

I don't know if it's "official", but it's my favourite Opeth album anyway.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 01, 2014, 02:12:58 AM
I think Blackwater Park will always be considered better by their fan base both here and in general. GR is probably the best-regarded album from the metal era in terms of being liked by both the fans and nonfans of the metal era.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 01, 2014, 02:54:46 AM
My top3 with Opeth is Still Life, Ghost Reveries and Deliverance. My Arms, Your Hearse and Blackwater Park are not too far behind. Those five albums are really in a league of their own though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 01, 2014, 04:03:18 AM
For me nothing tops Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries and Damnation are close. Still Life and My Arms Your Hearse are also very good. Orchid is nice. Deliverance and Watershed both have their flaws and Heritage is not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 01, 2014, 05:11:14 AM
My personal Holy Trinity of Opeth albums is Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries, and Watershed.

But there is no album from them that I dislike.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2014, 05:36:07 AM
Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries and Deliverance for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on September 01, 2014, 06:26:32 AM
Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries and Deliverance for me.
:tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on September 01, 2014, 06:27:05 AM
My personal Holy Trinity of Opeth albums is Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries, and Watershed.

But there is no album from them that I dislike.
Same here.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 01, 2014, 06:50:28 AM
Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries and Deliverance for me.
Have to agree on this although I kind of consider Damnation to be a part of Deliverance. So it's basically Deliverance/Damnation and I also wanna add that Watershed is pretty damn close so....I guess it's more like A Perfect Fifth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: RandalGraves on September 01, 2014, 06:54:59 AM
My personal Holy Trinity of Opeth albums is Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries, and Watershed.

But there is no album from them that I dislike.
Same here.

Couldn't agree more.  Killer albums with some top ten tracks on all.  Watershed takes the cake for me, though.  I think it's a great blend of stuff they were doing in GR, but it feels more organic.  I also happen to love the mix.  When the guitars hit, they hit like a brick wall.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 01, 2014, 07:18:29 AM
So, is it official that Ghost Reveries is the best Opeth album? It seems to be the most discussed and most highly regarded album by the band amongst us here on DTF.  :P  It also seems to be the go-to example for "classic Opeth sound".
No album can be officially "the best", it is all a matter of taste. If you make a pool about that, you'd get many different answers. You are right though about the album being high regarded. I'd say Still Life, Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries are the favorites from most people, but all albums are worth a listen.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on September 01, 2014, 08:17:15 AM
Why don't we actually make a poll about the best Opeth album? Was it done before (if so, when)?

I'm quite interested to see the results.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on September 01, 2014, 08:17:49 AM
Me holy trinity be:

Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
My Arms, Your Mom
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on September 01, 2014, 08:24:38 AM
Ghost Reveries
Heritage
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 01, 2014, 08:27:55 AM
Watershed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on September 01, 2014, 08:29:14 AM
Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
Watershed
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Riitasointi on September 01, 2014, 08:30:37 AM
Yeah I think Blackwater Park is generally the most liked one. An for a good reason.

It's hard to pick three best of theirs because up until Heritage their catalogue is just amazingly consistent. But right now I'd say

Blackwater Park (a clear favorite, one of my favorite albums of all time)
Still Life (still raw but some very elegant elements already mixed in, love it)
Damnation (I'm so glad Opeth made this album. The atmosphere here is unrivaled, so beautiful yet dark and brooding)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on September 01, 2014, 08:33:34 AM
Poll added, where you can vote for your three favorites (which I think gives a better indication of overall favorites, rather than just voting for one).  My picks:

Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park

Damnation just missed the cut.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 01, 2014, 08:42:53 AM
Ooh, cool! Still life, Deliverance and Damnation are my choices, although Heritage is extremely close.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on September 01, 2014, 08:43:32 AM
Yeah, thanks Kev! Should be interesting.

Mine are Damnation, Heritage and Ghost Reveries, but I've yet to hear Pale Communion, so I'll wait for its arrival.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ariich on September 01, 2014, 09:06:18 AM
Far too early to say about Pale Communion. My top 2 are definitely BP and GR (in that order), and at the moment Damnation is just edging out Still Life and Watershed for 3rd place. At the moment it's feeling like PC is another competitor so who knows where it'll end up, but probably somewhere in that range.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 01, 2014, 09:07:13 AM
Still Life
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries

If Watershed was a little more consistent, it would've made the cut.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on September 01, 2014, 09:08:21 AM
My personal Holy Trinity of Opeth albums is Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries, and Watershed.

But there is no album from them that I dislike.
This exactly. Although BWP is my least fav of the 3.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on September 01, 2014, 09:31:47 AM
Ghost Reveries has the most votes so far  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Rattlehead on September 01, 2014, 09:36:38 AM
Blackwater Park
My Arms, Your Hearse
Ghost Reveries

BWP is easily their best album in my opinion; I consider it one of my favorite albums of all time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 01, 2014, 10:00:05 AM
Ghost Reveries
Still Life
Blackwater Park
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 01, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
One more for the Blackwater Park / Ghost Reveries / Watershed club.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 01, 2014, 10:44:30 AM
For now... Heritage; Blackwater Park; My Arms, Your Hearse.

Tomorrow it could just as easily be Pale Communion; Still Life; Deliverance.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 01, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
Voted for Blackwater Park, Still Life and Ghost Reveries.

Top 3 worse are:

Pale Communion
Damnation
Heritage
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 01, 2014, 10:53:26 AM
I would say my three least favorites (by far) would be Damnation, Watershed and Heritage. (the latter being my least favorite) But with that said, even though I think those 3 albums are a dip below the rest in quality, they're not bad albums. Watershed is quite nice, and my main issue with Damnation and Heritage is that Opeth become very monotonous for me when they only do clean vocals (it gets very samey after a while, maybe it's Mikael's voice?), so even if the songs themselves (particularly on Damnation) are great, it's challenging for me to stay awake through those albums. I was surprised with Pale Communion and how it was the first only-clean Opeth album that felt like it had some more variety and diversity (especially in the vocals), and it felt more refreshing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 01, 2014, 11:14:20 AM
Well, my problem with Damnation is that it is very repetitive and it lacks the progressiveness of the other albums. I like the songs, but I get tired of them fast and that doesn't happen with songs from other albums. It has nothing to do with the lack of growls, just the compositions themselves. For example, I enjoy much more the ballads or clean-vocals-songs in other albums than in Damnation.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 01, 2014, 11:30:22 AM
Well, my problem with Damnation is that it is very repetitive and it lacks the progressiveness of the other albums. I like the songs, but I get tired of them fast and that doesn't happen with songs from other albums. It has nothing to do with the lack of growls, just the compositions themselves. For example, I enjoy much more the ballads or clean-vocals-songs in other albums than in Damnation.

I agree with what you're saying. And to clarify, I'm not one of those "Opeth without growl sucks"-fans. I listen to loads of non-growl music, so that's really not a problem. Like I said, it might be a combination of Mikael's voice and like you suggested, the compositions themselves. The tracks themselves are fine on an individual level, but put them in context and the album gets kinda samey/slow for me. But that's also why I think Pale Communion was so great, because vocally it's probably Mikael's best performance on an Opeth album in terms of clean vocals. He really brings a lot of variety for just using clean vocals, and a lot more interesting vocally than Heritage or Damnation IMO. And he sounds better.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 01, 2014, 11:34:14 AM
^ Couldn't possibly agree more. I think Akerfeldt sounds fantastic on PC, especially in relation to the somewhat stagnant singing heard on a few past softer sung songs. I was never a big fan of Damnation as a whole either and as with GR, for me anyway, it becomes monotonous a little when heard in one run. I like those albums quite well as separated songs or just hearing the tracks on shuffle, but as an album, sitting down with a listen kind of bores me after halfway. PC had the opposite affect, I wanted to hear what came next and what kind of left-field moment they'd bring. I enjoy it much more as an album than I do a few of their older works.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on September 01, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
1. Blackwater Park
2. Ghost Reveries
3. My Arms, Your Hearse

My number 3 spot could switch out depending on the day. Sometimes I feel Still Life or Damnation take that spot. Overall though, there's not an Opeth album I don't like yet.

Blackwater Park, though. That's an album in its own reality. Seriously a masterpiece not just for metal but for music in general. One of my favorite albums ever.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Riitasointi on September 01, 2014, 12:41:54 PM
Blackwater Park, though. That's an album in its own reality. Seriously a masterpiece not just for metal but for music in general. One of my favorite albums ever.
So much this.

As for Mikael's clean vocals, I think they were not so good initially, but getting great by Ghost Reveries. On Watershed I think he was top notch (I mean, Burden cmon!) and been on that level since. It's funny, he has a very distinct voice both harsh and clean. I've always loved his growls, I think they're some of the best in the business. But his cleans can put me off sometimes, even on this improved level. It's the tone or color of his voice I guess. But most of the time he sounds great!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Jaq on September 01, 2014, 12:45:07 PM
In case anyone was wondering, yes, I am the one vote thus far for Morningrise.

Moreover it's my favorite Opeth album, with Still Life and BWP in #2-3, the latter by a hair over Ghost Reveries.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 01, 2014, 02:02:48 PM
After some consideration I picked MAYH, Damnation and Ghost Reveries. MAYH flows perfectly and the concept isn't too straightforward, which makes it easy to listen to the songs separately. I know a lot of people find Damnation kind of one-dimensional, but I love it for its consistency and the mood it creates. And GR... well, it's simply Opeth's magnum opus in my eyes. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 01, 2014, 02:26:25 PM
Seeing the poll results, it pains me how overlooked/underrated the first two are. I'm gonna listen to both Orchid and Morningrise later in fact, both are amazing albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 01, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
They are amazing and I'll always love them, but over time I've become spoiled with production value; and it just so happens that my absolute favorite artists are masters of production. At this point in my musical journey, I simply cannot stand the production on those albums. I really can't. I love 'em, and I'll spin 'em for a few listens to a couple songs but that's as much as I can stand. No way I can plow through the whole album anymore, sadly. But I'll always love them for their brutal beauty, I just wish there were more good concert recordings of those songs. There's a few awesome ones, but not enough.

All that said, they can't be my favorite albums because of it. Songs? There's a few on those two albums that'd take my top tier songs but as whole albums...they're dated for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scorpion on September 01, 2014, 02:32:04 PM
I liked both Morningrise and Orchid well enough, but I say the lack of votes for those two is more a testament to how good Opeth became later than a sign that people don't like them.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 01, 2014, 02:42:34 PM
I liked both Morningrise and Orchid well enough, but I say the lack of votes for those two is more a testament to how good Opeth became later than a sign that people don't like them.
This. I'm sure plenty of people like Orchid and Morningrise, but not enough to consider them top 3 albums. Orchid is middle-of-the-pack for me and Morningrise is above my bottom three (SL, BWP, Deliverance). Both albums include lots of great sections, but it took a few years until Mikael learned to write songs that flow well.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scorpion on September 01, 2014, 02:47:55 PM
Still Life and Blackwater Park are in your bottom 3?

I mean, I am all for different tastes and stuff, but there's got to be some sort of law against THAT. :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 01, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
Speaking of the production, (which is normally not something I care or think about), I actually thought the sound of Pale Communion was kinda meh. I love Steven Wilson and all, but Pale Communion sounded like something he threw together over a weekend. But the album itself more than makes up for the somewhat flat/lifeless production.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 01, 2014, 02:54:46 PM
I don't think they are amazing albums. If someone uses the word "amazing" to describe them, what would they use to describe Opeth's better albums (if they consider them better than the two first)? They are good albums with a bad production. There a few songs in them that I don't care for. In my opinion, Opeth wasn't mature until the release of My Arms, Your Hearse, but don't get me wrong: there are very good songs in the first two albums. They sound better live though. :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 01, 2014, 02:55:26 PM
Speaking of the production, (which is normally not something I care or think about), I actually thought the sound of Pale Communion was kinda meh. I love Steven Wilson and all, but Pale Communion sounded like something he threw together over a weekend. But the album itself more than makes up for the somewhat flat/lifeless production.

Man, I have the exact opposite opinion. I think it sounds like it was slaved over, it's the main shining point of the album for me. It's cool to see such contrasting views though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 01, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
I liked both Morningrise and Orchid well enough, but I say the lack of votes for those two is more a testament to how good Opeth became later than a sign that people don't like them.
This.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: countoftuscany42 on September 01, 2014, 03:06:16 PM
currently listening to the 5.1 mix of Pale Communion and it sounds absolutely gorgeous  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on September 01, 2014, 03:24:01 PM
My Top 3:

-Still Life
-Blackwater Park
-My Arms, Your Hearse

The first two songs of SL are the best 20 consecutive minutes of music Opeth has ever recorded. The albums drags a little in the second half, but is still excellent overall. BWP has amazing opening and closing songs, and much of the content in the middle is great, though it does not come close to matching those 2 songs. MAYH is amazingly consistent from beginning to end, never drags, and flows perfectly. I love how it sounds both beautiful and crushing at the same time. Though it is consistent, there are no songs that I can listen to on their own; they feel incomplete without the rest of the album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on September 01, 2014, 06:01:10 PM
BWP has amazing opening and closing songs, and much of the content in the middle is great, though it does not come close to matching those 2 songs.

Rape lyrics drop the album down a bit for me on my personal list.  :-\

MAYH is amazingly consistent from beginning to end, never drags, and flows perfectly. I love how it sounds both beautiful and crushing at the same time.

This.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on September 01, 2014, 06:36:12 PM
BWP has amazing opening and closing songs, and much of the content in the middle is great, though it does not come close to matching those 2 songs.

Rape lyrics drop the album down a bit for me on my personal list.  :-\
  ??? Which songs are those?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on September 01, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
BWP has amazing opening and closing songs, and much of the content in the middle is great, though it does not come close to matching those 2 songs.

Rape lyrics drop the album down a bit for me on my personal list.  :-\
  ??? Which songs are those?

Leper Affinity. Which used to be one of my all-time favorite tracks until I paid attention to what he was saying. Not something I like to listen to anymore.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on September 01, 2014, 06:48:40 PM
Oh man, just read the lyrics and you're right. Doesn't ruin the song for me but it definitely makes me kinda uncomfortable. I still think it's well written though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 01, 2014, 07:00:22 PM
I never got not listening or liking a song specifically because of the topic, unless it's directly supporting said crime/immoral act, whatever it may be. It's kind of the point, to put you on edge and unease. That seems to be a staple of Opeth, no? At least in their overall vibe and overall thematic nature of their albums. They don't sing about the happiest of stuff and their music itself isn't very joyful. I suppose I'm just not focusing on it; but the part I don't get is it isn't advocating rape or 'singing' (as in praising) it. It's the topic of the song's story, that's all.

Eh! I love the song. I could see if it were very lyrically and vocally focused but as it is you've really gotta try to hone in on what he's saying. Even so I suppose if you know what he's saying that's all you need. Then again some of my favorite songs are about the darkest aspects of humanity and is in my opinion how some songs become so power and emotional. I think Wilson said it best when describing how he uses music as an outlet and how that outpouring of emotion is, many times, because of something dark and negative.

I'm also probably highly desensitized at this point (hell...who isn't these days..) and after hearing Wilson's version of The Piano Lesson (literally the only song that while I don't actively not listen to it, I don't play quite as much as I would if it weren't sung from the pedophile's perspective), nothing really surprises me in terms of content in songs. Once you realize that, again, unless it's obvious that the song is advocating said act, there's usually a point to be made; I'm quite certain Akerfeldt's wasn't 'yay rape'. I know no one thinks that, but when seen in that light, at least in my eyes, it's not bad, simply 'is'. Which...may very well be apart of the song's theme. It's something that happens in the world whether anyone wants to admit it or not, and who knows, may have been apart of Akerfeldt's life, indirect or direct. Still not too great a though, I know...  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on September 01, 2014, 07:04:23 PM
When enough loved ones in your life have to go through certain terrible things, you kind of become more sensitive to certain topics.

But regardless, this isn't therapy. Different strokes for different folks. Carry on.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 01, 2014, 07:05:57 PM
I can completely understand that. There's definitely some songs that sent me on edge because of memories related to when I was listening to those songs. Not the same thing but...a similar feeling when said song comes on. Nonetheless, I realize that may have come off as being argumentative, which wasn't my intention. I suppose I'm lucky enough to not have that relatable aspect to the songs I listen to, lyrically.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on September 01, 2014, 07:19:07 PM
I can completely understand that. There's definitely some songs that sent me on edge because of memories related to when I was listening to those songs. Not the same thing but...a similar feeling when said song comes on. Nonetheless, I realize that may have come off as being argumentative, which wasn't my intention. I suppose I'm lucky enough to not have that relatable aspect to the songs I listen to, lyrically.

Not at all. I understand what you were saying, and I agree.
It's just sometimes I hear a song and its like, "come on dudes, did you have to go there? That's so fucked up." There are other themes to write about that are dark and sinister, and more challenging on an intellectual level that likely wont offend or hurt anybody. Again, just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 01, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
 :tup

I do really like their direction that's more...diverse than what the past can offer, I gotta say; more ups and downs, and a bit more ups than downs (River still feels awkwardly happy on the album, in the best way possible).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on September 01, 2014, 07:46:15 PM
River is  :heart
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 01, 2014, 07:54:25 PM
River feels too happy, imo.
It's warm, reminds me of the summer time... completely opposite of pretty much every other Opeth song. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 01, 2014, 08:02:23 PM
MAYH is amazingly consistent from beginning to end, never drags, and flows perfectly. I love how it sounds both beautiful and crushing at the same time. Though it is consistent, there are no songs that I can listen to on their own; they feel incomplete without the rest of the album.

This. While it missed my top 3 by one spot, I agree with it being their most consistent album IMO. My top 3 favorite albums are Blackwater Park, Damnation and Ghost Reveries and in that order.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Xanthul on September 02, 2014, 04:58:17 AM
I just got the CD + Blu Ray version, listening to it for the first time... in the meanwhile, I found out that there is some error with the 5.1 mix in the Blu Ray, don't know if it was mentioned yet:

https://www.theopethforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=394&sid=43e942bff4ee411b9a8c6b7d71a93d1a

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/opeth-new-album-pale-communion.328213/page-14

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?19199-Opeth-Pale-Communion-5-1-(Blu-ray)&p=221726&viewfull=1#post221726

I will check if my version also has this problem (I can't see why not) but it really sucks to have to mail them the discs and have them replaced or whatever other bothersome method they set up to correct this. Roadrunner has really screwed up this release.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 02, 2014, 05:17:00 AM
Pale Communion tops the Finnish charts: https://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/virallinen-lista/albumit/2014/35
Still Life and Blackwater Park are in your bottom 3?

I mean, I am all for different tastes and stuff, but there's got to be some sort of law against THAT. :P
I've probably said this a million times before, but IMO the second half of BWP drags the album down. Dirge for November bores me, The Funeral Portrait is just alright, and the title-track has some good sections, but doesn't justify its 12-minute length.

As for Still Life, I'm not sure. It's a good album, but for some reason it doesn't appeal to me as much as most Opeth releases. The highlights are great, but not as mindblowing as, say, Ghost of Perdition. Maybe it's because the songs are more tied to the concept than on GR or MAYH.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 02, 2014, 05:29:46 AM
I think the middle/to the end is where BWP drags a bit for me. It's still a very strong album, mostly because of the power of the first 4 tracks and the title track closing the album off, but those other 3 songs in the second half are just kinda "eh". That's why I would only rank BWP their 4th or 5th best. Probably 5th at the moment. While the peaks are incredible, I would say Still Life, Ghost Reveries, Deliverance and My Arms, Your Hearse are more consistent.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: snowdog on September 02, 2014, 08:56:07 AM
I just got the CD + Blu Ray version, listening to it for the first time... in the meanwhile, I found out that there is some error with the 5.1 mix in the Blu Ray, don't know if it was mentioned yet:

https://www.theopethforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=394&sid=43e942bff4ee411b9a8c6b7d71a93d1a

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/opeth-new-album-pale-communion.328213/page-14

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?19199-Opeth-Pale-Communion-5-1-(Blu-ray)&p=221726&viewfull=1#post221726

I will check if my version also has this problem (I can't see why not) but it really sucks to have to mail them the discs and have them replaced or whatever other bothersome method they set up to correct this. Roadrunner has really screwed up this release.

Thanks for the heads up!  Fortunately I usually just play my 5.1 tracks on my PC so I've got them in FLAC form already.  Just need to apply Invert on channels 1 & 4 and it is fixed.  I tested it on the first track and it is definitely noticeable listening to them back to back.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Riitasointi on September 02, 2014, 12:29:50 PM
Haha for me Dirge for November is one of the best tracks on BWP. It's just so... touching. The only song that isn't up to par with the rest is The Funeral Portrait but even that one is really good and doesn't break the album flow at all.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on September 02, 2014, 12:57:19 PM
Seeing the poll results, it pains me how overlooked/underrated the first two are. I'm gonna listen to both Orchid and Morningrise later in fact, both are amazing albums.

For me, both have their moments, especially that awesome middle section of Under a Weeping Moon, but a lot of both albums is just a blur to me.  I can listen to either and very little of them stand out. For my money, the first two albums and Heritage are easily their lest best albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on September 02, 2014, 02:19:35 PM
Haha for me Dirge for November is one of the best tracks on BWP. It's just so... touching. The only song that isn't up to par with the rest is The Funeral Portrait but even that one is really good and doesn't break the album flow at all.

Agreed. The intro and outro for Dirge is nothing short of eerie and magical. It's one of the most atmospheric songs on the album. Even The Funeral Portrait is fantastic and that's probably my least favorite track on BWP.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on September 02, 2014, 03:54:16 PM
I pretty much completely agree with the percentages of the poll, almost mirroring my feelings exactly.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bout to crash on September 02, 2014, 05:55:14 PM
Two of my choices seem to be the majority...

Not at all. I understand what you were saying, and I agree.
It's just sometimes I hear a song and its like, "come on dudes, did you have to go there? That's so fucked up." There are other themes to write about that are dark and sinister, and more challenging on an intellectual level that likely wont offend or hurt anybody. Again, just my 2 cents.

I have to disagree here. If someone writes a song about something bad just for shock value that's one thing, but lots of awesome art comes out of really horrible things. And really, since when was the goal to avoid offending people? That's not really art, that's commercial bullshit. They "went there" because they felt inspired to do so, for whatever reason. To censor that just because it might upset someone is not being true to the self and the art. And shit, who knows- what if someone he knew was raped and murdered and it was cathartic to write a song about it? Like Jorge said, these sorts of things happen whether we want to talk about them or not- arguably they happen more if we refuse to talk about them.

Also, chances are any dark and sinister theme is going to offend someone out there. Imagine if Opeth wrote music that walked on those kinds of eggshells. I doubt any of us would be listening to them.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: 425 on September 02, 2014, 07:12:37 PM
Warning: I do quote the lyrics from The Leper Affinity in this post.




I tend to agree with bout to crash. I also think that it's not at all clear that The Leper Affinity is about rape. Yeah, some of the words summon that image, and I have no doubt that it's intentional on Mikael's part that they do that (native English speaker or not, anyone who writes "your body is mine to avail... slave under my creed, spurring me with those tears" knows what they're implying), but that doesn't mean that the song is directly describing rape. I think it's entirely possible that that's what it's about—that's a valid reading of the lyrics. But it's not the only valid reading. The words are intentionally vague to a degree.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: jammindude on September 02, 2014, 07:43:56 PM
Warning: I do quote the lyrics from The Leper Affinity in this post.




I tend to agree with bout to crash. I also think that it's not at all clear that The Leper Affinity is about rape. Yeah, some of the words summon that image, and I have no doubt that it's intentional on Mikael's part that they do that (native English speaker or not, anyone who writes "your body is mine to avail... slave under my creed, spurring me with those tears" knows what they're implying), but that doesn't mean that the song is directly describing rape. I think it's entirely possible that that's what it's about—that's a valid reading of the lyrics. But it's not the only valid reading. The words are intentionally vague to a degree.

In line with this thought...here was someone else's thought from songmeanings dot com...

Quote
"The more I read the lyrics, the more I think it is nature itself, talking to somebody who has died and been buried: "We entered Winter once again, naked, freezing from my breath. 'Neath the lid all limbs tucked away, this coffin is your abode from now and onwards. Your body is mine to avail."

This, to me, is nature or the earth itself speaking. The "breath" of the land is the wind, freezing the ground and all below it. The earth now avails, or uses, the body to its own advantage. The soil itself is nurtured by the corpse, and the decomposition causes the body to return to nature - dust to dust, you know? These lines seem to fit that: "Grew together with your skin, and paced the trails of sin. Your gaze covered with virgin snow; rigid features."

All that suggests somebody dead and buried under the cold winter earth. Yeah, I can see it being a metaphor for human failings - it could even be an analogy for a controlling or smothering relationship, in a sick sort of way. But in a literal sense, I believe it's about death and the eternity of burial."

Remember, the most popular interpretation is not always the correct one.   It's just that most people read the lyrics fairly literally.   But literal would be the most obvious....not necessarily the intention. 

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bout to crash on September 02, 2014, 08:47:28 PM
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. I've never actually sat and tried to analyze the lyrics before, but I think they're beautiful.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 02, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
pretty sure the "body"-focused lyrics are intended to be tied directly to the title of the song. there's otherwise no worth in using the word "leper," as the lyrics don't specifically mention the disease or its effects.

i really like the nature interpretation. that's a bit more in Åkerfeldt's style.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 02, 2014, 10:06:58 PM
That's all fine and dandy, but I'm pretty sure in the documentary for BWP Akerfelt was talking about how dark the lyrics were for the album, and mentioned how they cover topics including rape.

Of course, the beauty of lyrics is that it's all open to interpretation, regardless of the writer's vision.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 02, 2014, 11:09:29 PM
Fun fact: Nirvana's Rape me was actually about rising cable costs.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on September 03, 2014, 03:24:25 AM
I don't know how many have watched the movie, but Voice of Treason totally has a Despicable Me vibe to it :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jj3LnZDYWI#t=26
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 03, 2014, 08:42:57 AM
I checked FB right after buying a ticket to the Opeth show in my city, and Alcest had announced that they're supporting Opeth in Europe! :metal I saw a headlining show by Alcest in January already, but they were fantastic and I'm glad they're on the bill. A better fit than N'Flaymz, that's for sure! :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Xanthul on September 03, 2014, 08:51:03 AM
If I can see Alcest + Opeth I will be a very happy man. There are no dates in Spain so far in Opeth's website though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on September 03, 2014, 09:37:28 AM
I need to wait for my exam schedule. If I don't have an exam on the day Opeth plays in Holland I may just buy VIP tickets!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 03, 2014, 10:17:11 AM
Opeth cracked the top 20!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/opeths-pale-communion-cracks-u-s-top-20/

Unfortunately their first week sales did decline about a third from Heritage's. That's probably indicative of an overall trend of declining CD sales as well as people leaving them because of their new direction.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 03, 2014, 10:20:55 AM
lol the Waking The Fallen re-release did better.

Blowpeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 03, 2014, 10:31:28 AM
That's all fine and dandy, but I'm pretty sure in the documentary for BWP Akerfelt was talking about how dark the lyrics were for the album, and mentioned how they cover topics including rape.

just watched it to verify — he actually just says the lyrics are personal but made "sicker," but doesn't specifically talk about their contents. (maybe one of the other documentaries is the one you're thinking of?)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 03, 2014, 10:53:38 AM
Opeth cracked the top 20!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/opeths-pale-communion-cracks-u-s-top-20/

Unfortunately their first week sales did decline about a third from Heritage's. That's probably indicative of an overall trend of declining CD sales as well as people leaving them because of their new direction.
Does the fact that the album leaked a month and a half prior to the official release date have anything to do with it? Still, to be in top 20 is quite an achievement anyway, so good job, guys.  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Lolzeez on September 03, 2014, 11:07:19 AM
So,I've given Pale Communion 13 listens and I still think it's one of their weakest to date. The album sounds tired,the instrumentation is nice but nothing sticks out. Faith In Others is pretty decent though. But with the exception of that one song,the album is surprisingly weak. I prefer Heritage.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 03, 2014, 11:31:25 AM
That's all fine and dandy, but I'm pretty sure in the documentary for BWP Akerfelt was talking about how dark the lyrics were for the album, and mentioned how they cover topics including rape.

just watched it to verify — he actually just says the lyrics are personal but made "sicker," but doesn't specifically talk about their contents. (maybe one of the other documentaries is the one you're thinking of?)

Maybe, I remember him saying it somewhere but maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: 425 on September 03, 2014, 01:25:09 PM
That's all fine and dandy, but I'm pretty sure in the documentary for BWP Akerfelt was talking about how dark the lyrics were for the album, and mentioned how they cover topics including rape.

just watched it to verify — he actually just says the lyrics are personal but made "sicker," but doesn't specifically talk about their contents. (maybe one of the other documentaries is the one you're thinking of?)

Yeah, I'm watching it now myself (I had completely forgotten that I even had it until this conversation started). To elaborate, he says that he felt a great deal of hatred towards most people in general and wrote the songs more-or-less about that and then spiced them up by making the lyrics more... violent, I guess?

Another curiosity: He says in the documentary that he can't imagine himself still being up on stage screaming (his word choice) when he's 40. He's 40 now.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 03, 2014, 02:09:40 PM
The Needle Drop - Pale Communion review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaIc7rttYEc&list=UUt7fwAhXDy3oNFTAzF2o8Pw

 :corn
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 03, 2014, 02:14:10 PM
Ouch, I'm scared of watching that. He's a great critic, I love some of his reviews, but as far as I recall, he was extremely harsh on Heritage. Lets go with this and see what he's got...

EDIT: Yeah, just what I expected. Something tells me he didn't even want to review it but he had to because too many people asked him to. He pretty much used the same arguments he used for Wilson's The Raven, which is that they're studying, emulating and copying prog rock of the 70s. It's not a new argument, people have been talking about this for a while, but I've never heard any prog rock that sounds exactly like PC. Just the other day, I was listening to the album and realized how some of the riffs are the typical Opeth, it's just that there isn't a whole lot of distortion on them - never have I listened to a prog rock album with riffs like that.

And how come I don't hear the Dogs melody in Faith in others? Which one is it, did anyone else get it?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 03, 2014, 02:34:41 PM
It's the piano melody like 2-3 mins into the song when it goes calm. I didn't hear it before he pointed it out, but now it's quite obvious. I don't mind though, it's like a small little wink, nothing that makes me think of plagiarism.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on September 03, 2014, 02:42:51 PM
I'm really not all that surprised. :lol

Now to wait for the whole "progressive vs. progressive rock" debate again. :corn
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on September 03, 2014, 06:16:53 PM
I can relate to his opinion actually. Besides, a 5/6 isn't that bad on his scale. The worst part is that while I consider this to be better than Heritage, it has little replay value to me. Blackwater Park or even MAYH and GR have kept me busy for ages, this one surely won't.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 04, 2014, 01:07:46 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/opeth_we_will_never_sound_like_on_our_old_records.html

Beautiful read. I absolutely love the comment about people deciding on what is Opeth and what is not despite being a faceless fan, so to speak. I feel bad for the guys sometimes because I think if people had the slightest amount of maturity and intellect when discussing things they don't like or even outright hate, it'd come off a lot better instead of sounding like a 15 year-old with their period. I think most people are much more inclined to listen to and respect the opinion of someone who doesn't sound like they've flown off the handle and are raging the whole time. That's asking far too much though...people take shit personally. It's equally interesting as it is sad and annoying. Also, for the sensitive pantywaists, I'm not referring to anyone here so don't get your thongs in a wad. A few of my sisters gothic little friends were just utterly ranting and raving about the new record and god almighty...if you wanna see someone's true amount of maturity, all you've gotta do is listen to what they say when they're angry. It's nuts how immature people can get when they feel like they didn't get what they want. It's that whole mentality that a band's music is somehow related to the fans. (Unless we're talking concert-plays, which Akerfeldt mentions and has been mentioned here)

Anyway, it's a great read for anyone, even if you hate the new direction. Oh god those Youtube reviewers...they are by far and away some of the douchiest, entitled little shits on the planet.  :lol I swear... They think they're Ebert and Roeper here. At least baldy there, and there's one other guy who always sounds like he just snorted about a pound of cocaine and is screaming and yelling throughout... I've seen about a minute of a review for each of them and that was all I needed. Then again I've not once actually listened/read and cared about a music review. Music is completely different to me than any other media, it's one that I'd actually rather not hear any reviews for whatever album/band. Not only is my own opinion almost always a far cry away from the masses, but it'd probably skew at least a little bit of what I thought about the music when in reality it's all so introspective and completely based on personal connection that it seems useless to me. Eh! Chalk it up to these guys giving way too much of a shit and me not enough.  :lol

Pee Es: I just got those feels you get when recruiting a new Opeth zealot. I just showed a friend of mine My Arms, Your Hearse (who I haven't seen for years and who was once a jazz aficionado only to turn into a metalhead with jazz influences  :metal :millahhhh ) and he's already out 'n about getting the rest of their discography. I told him to be prepared for the massive change up but I have a feeling he'll love it given his background. It's just an awesome feeling, and it makes me remember when I was first getting into them and how excited I was to find something new. Which is a huge reason why I have no problem with Opeth throwing curve balls at us; even if I end up not liking it as much, it's still very interesting to see where they go and how they surprise us next.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 04, 2014, 02:19:04 PM
I just got those feels you get when recruiting a new Opeth zealot. I just showed a friend of mine My Arms, Your Hearse (who I haven't seen for years and who was once a jazz aficionado only to turn into a metalhead with jazz influences  :metal :millahhhh ) and he's already out 'n about getting the rest of their discography.

wow, i'm utterly surprised MAYH sold someone new on the band, especially a metaljazzer. good for you/him/MAYH but that seems extremely uncommon now that BWP and GR seem to be considered the god-tier.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 04, 2014, 02:34:21 PM
 :tup I really didn't put any thought into it, and I'm of the mind that it doesn't matter all that much where you start with a band. But I'm guessing BWP will be his favorite. Either that or Pale Communion. He had actually heard Voice of Treason and asked who the band was and asked to hear more if I had it and I told him I'd blow his mindhole by showing some past material and sure enough he didn't believe for a while that it was the same band (we were in the car so I had to do my best to let him know I wasn't bullshitting instead of just showing him  :lol which is tough coming from me).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 04, 2014, 07:39:22 PM
"As reported, the latest Opeth album, "Pale Communion," was dubbed by Akerfeldt as far more melodic than the rest of the group's opus. Focusing on vocal harmonies, the musician noted....."

Far more melodic? I don't think so. Any other Opeth album has "far more melodies" in my opinion. And if Opeth will never sound like the old days (I don't mean doing the same album over and over again) then the band's dead to me. It is very sad to see how proud they are of the new album and the new direction they chose to follow. No offense to those who like it, but if Opeth keeps like that, it is over for me.

They were such an original band. I have never heard any band playing like they did in the past and they choose to throw it all away and start copying prog rock / hard rock / psychedelic rock from the 70s.

Akerfeldt says they will still play the heavy songs, but if he doesnt improve his growls, what's the point? He can't growl well anymore..
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 04, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
Opinions is one thing but I find it very odd you think it's sad that they're proud of their work. They shouldn't be proud because you don't like the direction and think they're copycats, is what I extrapolated.  The whole 'to each their own' schtick only goes so far, I think that's kind of petty.

Then again Akerfeldt clearly doesn't give a shit what you or I think, and I find that refreshing. Otherwise... (https://stangfreak.com/forum/images/smilies/jerkoff2.gif)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: King Postwhore on September 04, 2014, 07:51:09 PM
It's waaaaay more melodic.  Fact.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on September 04, 2014, 10:20:20 PM
Anyway, it's a great read for anyone, even if you hate the new direction. Oh god those Youtube reviewers...they are by far and away some of the douchiest, entitled little shits on the planet.  :lol I swear... They think they're Ebert and Roeper here. At least baldy there, and there's one other guy who always sounds like he just snorted about a pound of cocaine and is screaming and yelling throughout...
I love the new Opeth album, so I definitely disagree with the Needle Drop's review. But I think he's a really great reviewer. He doesn't come off as entitled at all and gives a pretty honest opinion about albums. Can't blame the guy for not liking the new Opeth, although I don't think the sequel analogy is very fair. But idk, you either hear it or you don't.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 04, 2014, 10:35:11 PM
I don't always agree with Anthony but he is a good reviewer. I just think he gets caught up on certain things. Like, he blasted The Raven That Refused to sing for not doing anything new with the genre of progressive rock and for being basically a love letter to the old 70's prog albums (I do not disagree with that assessment) but I think he places undue emphasis and importance on doing something new or advancing the genre. Those are nice things to aim for, but if the songwriting isn't there, it really doesn't mean much if you've created something new and original. So yeah, I don't always see eye-to-eye with him, but he states his opinions plainly and he never comes across as a hater. Correction: he very rarely comes across as a hater as I just remembered his Limp Bizkit review.  :lol

The reaction to his The Raven That Refused To Sing review was fucking priceless. It was the equivalent of casting a Summon Steven Wilson Fanboys IX spell. Thankfully this one didn't result in a bunch of frothing nerds calling for his head, but I'm almost a bit disappointed in that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2014, 10:41:33 PM
TioJorge is killing it in this thread. :tup :tup

And  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol at the comment about it being sad that they are proud of the new album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 04, 2014, 10:55:28 PM
I read it pretty clearly as him being sad that they're proud of limiting their potential and I agree. The majority of people liking this seem to be people who didn't have modern metal or death metal being that big of a thing for them anyway so it's easier for y'all to be entertained by the stylistic shift. It ain't that way for most of the metalheads though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on September 04, 2014, 10:58:54 PM
I don't always agree with Anthony but he is a good reviewer. I just think he gets caught up on certain things. Like, he blasted The Raven That Refused to sing for not doing anything new with the genre of progressive rock and for being basically a love letter to the old 70's prog albums (I do not disagree with that assessment) but I think he places undue emphasis and importance on doing something new or advancing the genre. Those are nice things to aim for, but if the songwriting isn't there, it really doesn't mean much if you've created something new and original. So yeah, I don't always see eye-to-eye with him, but he states his opinions plainly and he never comes across as a hater. Correction: he very rarely comes across as a hater as I just remembered his Limp Bizkit review.  :lol
I think Anthony just listens to so much new experimental music that he tends to have trouble getting into anything that isn't necessarily anything new. Most of the albums I like that he gives lukewarm (or worse) reviews he'll describe with something along the lines of "the music is totally fine but it's not anything I haven't heard before".

I know a lot of music listeners like that too. I guess when you're listening to so much cutting edge music, it's easy to get bored when listening to something that isn't pushing any boundaries.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on September 05, 2014, 12:05:00 AM
I read it pretty clearly as him being sad that they're proud of limiting their potential and I agree. The majority of people liking this seem to be people who didn't have modern metal or death metal being that big of a thing for them anyway so it's easier for y'all to be entertained by the stylistic shift. It ain't that way for most of the metalheads though.
1.000.000 times agree.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bout to crash on September 05, 2014, 12:12:18 AM
I see what you guys are saying, though I don't see how a change in style is necessarily "limiting their potential."
But I will say that nothing about this album has really stuck with me. I listened to it like four times in a row last week and haven't popped it back in the CD player since.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on September 05, 2014, 12:21:11 AM
I see what you guys are saying, though I don't see how a change in style is necessarily "limiting their potential."
But I will say that nothing about this album has really stuck with me. I listened to it like four times in a row last week and haven't popped it back in the CD player since.
I think what Black Floydberry(my secret waifu) is getting at is that they gave up a completely unique sound for a semi not very unique 70's sound.
I'm not against 70's retro prog, Steven Wilson is a testament to this, but Opeth just don't do it convincingly if you were to ask me( which you obviously did not)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 05, 2014, 01:27:12 AM
I guess this debate will never end.  :lol I love the "old" Opeth, I really do. BWP and GR are landmarks within the metal community but i'm also one of those how just don't give a fuck what the band wants to do in the future because in the end it's their decision as a band. Besides I find it refreshing to see a band that have the guts to radically change their musical direction despite what their fans might think. You just don't see that everyday, especially not within the metal scene.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on September 05, 2014, 01:31:30 AM
I guess this debate will never end.  :lol I love the "old" Opeth, I really do. BWP and GR are landmarks within the metal community but i'm also one of those how just don't give a fuck what the band wants to do in the future because in the end it's their decision as a band. Besides I find it refreshing to see a band that have the guts to radically change their musical direction despite what their fans might think. You just don't see that everyday, especially not within the metal scene.
I don't have a problem with bands radically changing musical direction, see "The Contortionist". I just don't think Opeth are doing anything special and if you do, neato burrito.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Outcrier on September 05, 2014, 01:56:00 AM
I don't have a problem with bands radically changing musical direction, see "The Contortionist". I just don't think Opeth are doing anything special and if you do, neato burrito.

I agree with Dork here. Put the fault on pure songwriting instead of the change in musical direction.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 05, 2014, 02:05:26 AM
I didn't blame their change of direction like a "fault" that was just my interpretation on the change their done to their music. Whether or not you think it's good or bad 70s prog it's still a change of direction. This debate is starting to get funny because I feel like some people are fooling themself when saying they're OK with Opeth releasing a 70s inspired album but they just don't think it's good, don't get me wrong it's totally fine to think that but is that really the problem? I mean would it in all honesty really matter if they released an amazing retro sounding 70s prog album or an album like this that people say are just bad song writing, isn't the main problem still that Opeth have abondend the metal genre they had on their older albums? When looking outside of DTF on comment fields the main feedback are along the lines of: "Opeth are dead to me" or "I miss old Opeth". In short you can hate the 70s style or the bad song writing but is that deep down really the main problem?

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 05, 2014, 02:18:09 AM
To me it kinda felt like the old Opeth-sound had run its course and was starting to get stale. Don't get me wrong, Ghost Reveries was amazing, but that was 9 years ago. I feel like they tried to do a genuine continuation of the sound on Watershed, and sadly it fell a bit flat. A good album but not a masterpiece. So by the time Heritage was due to come out, I think they had milked the old sound as much as they could.

With that said, I do miss the heavy element of their music. I don't necessarily miss the growl, I think some songs on Watershed, like Porcelain Heart, pulled off the heavy without being growl-heavy. The interplay between heavy and soft was so amazing, and while I can understand if Mikael doesn't want to growl, it's a bit of a shame that the metal element will be lost completely. Even if they continue writing 70s retro prog sounding songs, a few heavy sections here and there where the guitars sound heavy, evil and doomish, that would add a lot, even if the mainframe of the song isn't heavy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 05, 2014, 06:51:09 AM
It is very sad to see how proud they are of the new album and the new direction they chose to follow.
Yeah, I always think it is awful when an artist is excited about their art.  I don't get that at all.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2014, 07:04:06 AM
I can't really get into this album at all.  Might have to come back to it in time.  I just find it pretty boring.  First two songs are good, but it gets tiresome quick.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 05, 2014, 08:28:23 AM
It is very sad to see how proud they are of the new album and the new direction they chose to follow.
Yeah, I always think it is awful when an artist is excited about their art.  I don't get that at all.
So maybe I should have said: "Although I found the album really boring and the first huge dissapointment from a band I have been a fan of for at least 10 years, I am REALLY happy they are proud of the album and the direction."

Sounds a bit strange, doesn't it?

I didn't have a problem with Damnation or Heritage and both of albums also have a new direction. At least to me, in the old days they used their influences to create something unique and that's what they got known for. Now they just want to sound exactly like the 70s bands. For example, Goblin, is like Akerfeldt saying "here is us trying to sound like the Italian band Goblin". I wouldn't have such a problem with that if it actually sounded good, which the album didn't. Again, just my opinion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 05, 2014, 03:08:01 PM
Your opinion of the final product is fine; to each his own, and many people share yours, no question. 

But your opinion of THEIR opinion is what I don't get at all.  I don't get why they SHOULDN'T be proud of it.  After all, this is what they spent all of that time composing, rehearsing, and recording.  This is what they do, and this is their finished product, and it would really fucked up if they WEREN'T proud of it after spending that much time on it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bout to crash on September 05, 2014, 05:42:58 PM
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Our own opinions aside, I would hope they wouldn't release something they weren't proud of.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on September 05, 2014, 08:17:27 PM
Not sure if this has been posted

Info on bluray replacement

https://redemptions.warnermusic.com/opeth
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on September 13, 2014, 09:55:26 AM
I gave PC a rest for a week, and upon returning everything just instantly clicked. It's a pretty good record that demands to be turned up, especially because of the dynamic mastering. I really enjoy the many vocal harmonies on this record, outstanding.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2014, 09:57:20 AM
Yep, I am really liking it.  It is far better than Heritage, thanks to better and more focused songwriting, and, yes, it sounds fantastic.  I got the 5.1 Blu-ray this week and will be checking it out next week on a friend's super-duper surround sound system.  Can't wait. :coolio
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on September 13, 2014, 02:46:29 PM
Peter Lindgren was a damn good guitarist for Opeth and for sure 100% Opeth-y, but damn, I really like Fredrik's versatility and incredibly musical vibrato on solos. The ones he does on Cusp and Moon Above are amazing. The man delivers every time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bout to crash on September 13, 2014, 04:58:06 PM
I gave PC a rest for a week, and upon returning everything just instantly clicked. It's a pretty good record that demands to be turned up, especially because of the dynamic mastering. I really enjoy the many vocal harmonies on this record, outstanding.

Maybe I need to try this. Haven't touched it since that initial week.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 13, 2014, 09:13:28 PM
I'm about to go on a nice night slow ride to commemorate the first truly cool, breezy, non-rain-forest-humidity night we've had all year. It feels amazing and I can smell Fall already. That means it's time for the Opeth to take over. YAYAYAYAYAYAYAAAAYY!!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Riitasointi on September 14, 2014, 04:00:21 AM
I'm about to go on a nice night slow ride to commemorate the first truly cool, breezy, non-rain-forest-humidity night we've had all year. It feels amazing and I can smell Fall already. That means it's time for the Opeth to take over. YAYAYAYAYAYAYAAAAYY!!
I know this feeling it's so awesome!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 14, 2014, 02:29:58 PM
 ;D :tup :millahhhh
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: guitarrero on September 15, 2014, 08:17:51 AM
Too bad the choice is limited to three albums only... because i really love every Opeth-record and have very special memories connected to each and every one of them since i checked out this band back in 1996... And i don't mind the sort of "direction change" they have taken with the last two records. Metal or not, it's still insanely great music full of depth and beauty and that's pretty much enough to make me happy. :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 15, 2014, 08:37:45 AM
I see that Alcest is touring with Opeth in Europe in November. I'd be more excited about the Opeth show I'm going to in December if Alcest was co-headlining instead of In Flames.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on September 15, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
I see that Alcest is touring with Opeth in Europe in November. I'd be more excited about the Opeth show I'm going to in December if Alcest was co-headlining instead of In Flames.
I've seen them mentioned on here a fair bit, but never listened to them before. Could you suggest a good starting point?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 15, 2014, 09:41:17 AM
I see that Alcest is touring with Opeth in Europe in November. I'd be more excited about the Opeth show I'm going to in December if Alcest was co-headlining instead of In Flames.
I've seen them mentioned on here a fair bit, but never listened to them before. Could you suggest a good starting point?

I would say Ecailles De Lune is their best album. If you want a track recommendation, I think both the title tracks (it's divided into 2 parts) both perfectly showcase what's so great about the band. Very atmospheric metal with a lot of nice melodies.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 15, 2014, 09:45:04 AM
I see that Alcest is touring with Opeth in Europe in November. I'd be more excited about the Opeth show I'm going to in December if Alcest was co-headlining instead of In Flames.
I'd be excited if they came to my country once  :sadpanda
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 15, 2014, 10:16:28 AM
I see that Alcest is touring with Opeth in Europe in November. I'd be more excited about the Opeth show I'm going to in December if Alcest was co-headlining instead of In Flames.
I've seen them mentioned on here a fair bit, but never listened to them before. Could you suggest a good starting point?

I would say Ecailles De Lune is their best album. If you want a track recommendation, I think both the title tracks (it's divided into 2 parts) both perfectly showcase what's so great about the band. Very atmospheric metal with a lot of nice melodies.

I second Ecailles De Lune, although I think the following album Les Voyages de l'Âme is also a good album in its own right. Their latest album Shelter is a shoegazey/post-rock sounding album which can be a hit or miss for some (there's no harsh vocals on Shelter at all, as with their first album Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on September 15, 2014, 11:16:50 AM
Thanks guys. I'm partial to a bit of post-rock, so giving Shelter a go first. Enjoying it so far  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on September 17, 2014, 03:02:59 AM
Alcest is really, really good. Haven't listened to them in a long time though. I can't wait for the Opeth show in Amsterdam in November!  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 17, 2014, 03:27:25 AM
Alc-what?

Got my ticket for the Vienna show.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on September 17, 2014, 03:50:27 PM
Not a single bad track on this album, and great flow too. Album opener and closer are among their best! Album has really come to life for me the last few weeks.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 17, 2014, 07:16:25 PM
I don't wanna get into a heated debate, but although I did enjoy this one more than Heritage I sure miss the old Opeth a fucking lot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 17, 2014, 09:56:02 PM
I love u darklol.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 17, 2014, 11:46:09 PM
I don't wanna get into a heated debate, but although I did enjoy this one much more than Heritage I sure miss the old Opeth a fucking lot.

FTFM

The more I listen to Pale Communion the better it gets, this album is really great, although I did have very low expectations. But to think that there will never be an album in the old Opeth style makes me kinda sad.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Xanthul on September 18, 2014, 02:19:50 AM
I've only listened to the album a couple of times so far and I really can't remember much from it for now. I have to say though that the main keyboard riff in Eternal Rains (the one that starts around 2:30) has been stuck in my head for the last couple of days.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: aurorablind on September 18, 2014, 03:14:22 AM
I've only listened to the album a couple of times so far and I really can't remember much from it for now. I have to say though that the main keyboard riff in Eternal Rains (the one that starts around 2:30) has been stuck in my head for the last couple of days.

Yeah. That one's great!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2014, 01:48:24 PM
A buddy and I listened to the 5.1 Blu-ray on his surround sound system last night.  Yeah, it "sounded" freaking awesome. 

I'm still gonna say it comes up a tad short of being a great album overall, but it's still very, very good.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: aurorablind on September 19, 2014, 01:54:39 PM
Ok.. To be honest, I really didn´t like this album at all when I heard it, but now it finally clicked.
The "singles" are still my favorites, but I´ve come to appreciate the overall feeling of this album.
I can´t stand Heritage at all. I am a big 70´s prog guy, but still I just cant get into it. I feel like this album is more "Opethish", like a mix of the proggy parts of Watershed with a bit of Damnation thrown in.

Opeth (up to Watershed) is in my top 5 of favorite bands of all time. I really hope they continue to evolve, and realizes that they can´t continue to completely abandone their metal-roots. I would love for them to make a proggy metal-album without growling for the next album. Parts of Harlequin Forest and The Lotus Eater are perfectly good examples of how they could make such a thing.

Please forgive me.. this post was written after three glasses of red wine  :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: snowdog on September 19, 2014, 05:44:18 PM
A buddy and I listened to the 5.1 Blu-ray on his surround sound system last night.  Yeah, it "sounded" freaking awesome. 

I'm still gonna say it comes up a tad short of being a great album overall, but it's still very, very good.
Unless he's got a corrected version I'd say it can sound a lot better than you heard.  I was amazed at the difference of correcting the 5.1 files I ripped to my PC.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adastra on September 29, 2014, 04:07:20 AM
Here are some of my thoughts about the Pale Communion.
I have listened it for about 20 times now. There are some nice moments but most of the album just doesn't feel good :( .

Eternal Rains Will Come and Elysian Woes are great songs!  I love them both.

Moon Above, Sun Below
and Faith In Others are both decent songs, but nothing remarkable.

Cusp Of Eternity, River and Voice of Treason are pretty bad... IMHO.  First 3 minutes of Voice Of Treason sounds so weak. I can't believe that they recorded something like this.

Goblin is a complete joke.

So, In conclusion,  I like couple of songs, but most of it just doesn't click for me.  I don't mind that there is now growls so no problem with that. I'm trying to say that IMO  the songwriting is just weak. And best example of that is the beginning of Voice Of Treason.
I remember the days when I thought that Åkerfeldt had propably the best clean vocals ever!  But somehow I don't the vocals on Pale Communion. Maybe someone else should sing in Opeth? :p

Propably won't be listening to Pale Communion very much anymore, I gave my copy of the cd to my friend.
 :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 29, 2014, 04:09:29 AM
River bad? River is awesome!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adastra on September 29, 2014, 05:00:19 AM
Haha,  I think that beginning is kinda ok, BUT it doesn't sound like Opeth at all.  Well, who i am to say what Opeth sounds like, but for me it sounds like another nod to some Åkerfeldts favourite band.
The guitar solo is amazing. Best solo on the album , but after that when the song starts to gets all proggy It totally loses me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on October 01, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
Just got a shipping confirmation from Warner. Seems like it's the blu ray replacement disc.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: 425 on October 01, 2014, 02:32:33 PM
This isn't on the topic of Pale Communion, but does anyone have The Candlelight Years box set? I'm considering buying it because it would be much cheaper than buying Orchid, Morningrise and My Arms, Your Hearse separately (each of those is like $12 and the box set is $16 total on Amazon), but I'm one of those people who likes to have artwork, booklets, etc. I'm interested if anyone can describe what any packaging/booklets for that set are like as well as recommendations as to whether I should get it or buy each of those three albums separately.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 01, 2014, 03:08:25 PM
I have it. It includes one booklet with lyrics & stuff. It's pretty good. No artwork for the independent albums I think. Also, the sound is really compressed, but if you're not an audiophile you probably won't mind.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: 425 on October 01, 2014, 03:16:53 PM
Thanks for the description!

It might bother me some that the sound is compressed. How bad are we talking here?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 01, 2014, 03:40:05 PM
Do you own Still Life on CD? It's compressed a bit like that one. Have a look on here: https://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list/year?artist=opeth
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: 425 on October 01, 2014, 04:09:41 PM
I don't own Still Life, actually (I know, I know. It's the only one aside from the aforementioned three that I have yet to get, and I'm planning to get all four at once). Thanks for the link, though!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on October 01, 2014, 09:11:57 PM
Do you own Still Life on CD? It's compressed a bit like that one. Have a look on here: https://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list/year?artist=opeth

in fairness to the Candlelight set, it doesn't look like the original releases of those albums were exactly blazing the trail for dynamic sound.

Keep in mind that the versions of the albums in the set have bonus tracks that are dragging the overall DR down for each one.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 01, 2014, 10:02:04 PM
Do you own Still Life on CD? It's compressed a bit like that one. Have a look on here: https://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list/year?artist=opeth

in fairness to the Candlelight set, it doesn't look like the original releases of those albums were exactly blazing the trail for dynamic sound.

Keep in mind that the versions of the albums in the set have bonus tracks that are dragging the overall DR down for each one.
Indeed. Into The Frost Of Winter, the bonus track on Orchid, for example sounds much, much worse than the rest of the album. Honestly, it's practically unlistenable. The rest of the album sounds fine, a bit primitive, but better than a lot of present day recordings. I wouldn't get too hung up on the sound and compression, it's really not that bad.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 02, 2014, 03:23:19 AM
That's true, I see your point. I have to say that Orchid and Morningrise don't really sound very compressed, the production just isn't that fantastic. MAYH does though, though the production/mix on that one is a quite rough too.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on October 02, 2014, 11:07:45 AM
The album has finally arrived, and after first listen I'm not sure, I think Heritage is better. But Heritage had its time to grow on me, so I guess I'll keep listening.

I love the bonus live cover of Var Kommer Barnen In so much though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 02, 2014, 11:26:11 AM
I love u darklol.
Let's engage in angry foreplay to the rhythm of Deliverance.

 :-*
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on October 02, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
PC has definitely grown on me a fair bit now. Sure, I prefer their older style with the blend of heavy and mellow parts, but I'm enjoying this for what it is. Looking forward to seeing them live again in a couple of weeks now :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 03, 2014, 12:54:17 AM
I love u darklol.
Let's engage in angry foreplay to the rhythm of Deliverance.

 :-*

Can your lithe frame withstand that sixteenth note nine tuplet during the outro section?










































Of course it can.






































:floydapproves:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on October 06, 2014, 05:37:27 AM
Only four nights away from the start of the European Tour with Alcest and the band is getting all geared up to hit the road again. Wondering what they'll play? Here's from Mike:

”So. we’re gearing up to go out on our first tour in support of ”Pale Communion”. As always, there’s mixed feelings. Parts of me wants to stay home, and the other part wants to go out and rip it up on stages all over the world. That’s always been the case. We’re all very happy with the new record, and the new songs (were rehearsing 5 of them) are sounding good when we play them. If I may say so myself. Overall there seem to be a little bit more focus on older heavier material this time around. We sat down, drank wine and discussed songs we wanted to play, and ended up with a list of 30 or so songs. We’re rehearsing a song from 1996 and it’s probably the funniest one to play. I don’t know why. Maybe because it brings back memories. Some older songs are difficult to get right but nothing compared to the new stuff. We can now choose songs from the 90’s AND the 2000’s. We’re getting old! Anyways, come and see us, whydontcha?
Might be worth it. Metalheads, progheads, music lovers, old and young, male or female. You’re all very welcome!
Cheers!"


Sounds good to me  :D :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on October 06, 2014, 05:57:52 AM
Ooh, a ''funny'' song from 1996? Sounds like Nectar to me. They've done Advent and TNATSW a few years ago if I'm not mistaken, Black rose immortal is way too long to be resurrected and To bid you farewell isn't ''older heavier material''.

It's gonna be a good show.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 06, 2014, 06:07:49 AM
This sounds spectacular.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 06, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Ooh, a ''funny'' song from 1996? Sounds like Nectar to me. They've done Advent and TNATSW a few years ago if I'm not mistaken, Black rose immortal is way too long to be resurrected and To bid you farewell isn't ''older heavier material''.

It's gonna be a good show.  :metal
Yeah, it's gotta be Nectar. As for the 5 new songs, my guesses are:

Eternal Rains (the opener)
Cusp (the single)
Voice of Treason (a video with some visuals was released on Opeth's official YT channel recently)
Moon Above... (same as VOT, plus it's the epic of the album)
Faith in Others (a lot of people have named this their favorite song from the album and it would work well as the set closer before the encore)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 06, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
Man, if they do Nectar I'm gonna be forced to go to a show I'd planned on sitting out.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 06, 2014, 08:40:52 AM
Older heavier material, eh? I might actually go to this one.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 06, 2014, 09:08:17 AM
Only four nights away from the start of the European Tour with Alcest and the band is getting all geared up to hit the road again. Wondering what they'll play? Here's from Mike:

”So. we’re gearing up to go out on our first tour in support of ”Pale Communion”. As always, there’s mixed feelings. Parts of me wants to stay home, and the other part wants to go out and rip it up on stages all over the world. That’s always been the case. We’re all very happy with the new record, and the new songs (were rehearsing 5 of them) are sounding good when we play them. If I may say so myself. Overall there seem to be a little bit more focus on older heavier material this time around. We sat down, drank wine and discussed songs we wanted to play, and ended up with a list of 30 or so songs. We’re rehearsing a song from 1996 and it’s probably the funniest one to play. I don’t know why. Maybe because it brings back memories. Some older songs are difficult to get right but nothing compared to the new stuff. We can now choose songs from the 90’s AND the 2000’s. We’re getting old! Anyways, come and see us, whydontcha?
Might be worth it. Metalheads, progheads, music lovers, old and young, male or female. You’re all very welcome!
Cheers!"


Sounds good to me  :D :metal
Such a classy spokesman.

I really hope they get the heavy material right, and realize that fans miss their heavy shit.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 06, 2014, 09:27:32 AM
I'm more curious how Mikael's growls will sound. Because on some recent shows, the growls are almost laughably bad. Way off from the superb form he had 7-8 years ago. I love it that they include heavier songs, and I know most fans (myself included) wants to hear them, but if Mikael's voice continues to fade away and the growls continue to get worse, they're not gonna do anyone any favors by butchering old classics.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 06, 2014, 09:35:36 AM
If you're at a ridiculously loud live show, you probably won't even notice.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 06, 2014, 09:39:31 AM
Yeah, I recall watching a couple of videos from a pro-shot Opeth gig recently and the growls weren't half as powerful as they used to be.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on October 06, 2014, 10:02:52 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to tone down the growls in favor of a lasting career.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 06, 2014, 12:07:34 PM
I wonder if that song from 1996 Mikael was referring to is Black Rose Immortal...  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 06, 2014, 12:14:36 PM
I remember they talked about playing it live a few years ago, and holy balls would it be awesome. It's not even up there among my favorite Opeth tracks, but it would really be one of those crazy memories. "Do you remember when they played Black Rose Immortal live?" and it was only for like one tour.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 06, 2014, 12:32:28 PM
BRI almost got played on the 20th anniversary tour: https://opethfanclub.se/?p=263
Quote
FC:  Many fans wanted “Black Rose immortal”…how close was it?

M: Close. I listened to the song a couple of times and just felt there were too many loose ends, too many parts I didn’t really like anymore, and it would have felt awkward playing something like that. It had been decided we’re going to play that song actually, but with the above reasons plus the fact that I don’t think a lot of people would have recognized it, or even liked it if we’d played it. We changed our minds. I think it’s a little bit of a gimmick that song. It’s “popular” because it’s our longest track, not because it’s all that great. But, I never say never. I think this line up had a tendency to breathe new life into old shit like that. We’ve done it on several occasions, so maybe it would work for this piece as well. However, “Advent” represented the “Morningrise” record better, and we all loved playing it.
Judging by Mikael's comment, I wouldn't hold my breath. :P On top of that, it would eat up 20 minutes of the set and leave less room for songs from other albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 06, 2014, 12:36:49 PM
I hope they don't. I know many people here love that song, but personally, it's pretty much my textbook definition of how NOT to write a 20+ minute epic.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 06, 2014, 02:20:22 PM
I hope they don't. I know many people here love that song, but personally, it's pretty much my textbook definition of how NOT to write a 20+ minute epic.
I like it, but it feels so disjointed to me... I'd love to hear any other song from Morningrise though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on October 06, 2014, 02:23:32 PM
As for the 5 new songs, my guesses are:

Eternal Rains (the opener)
Cusp (the single)
Voice of Treason (a video with some visuals was released on Opeth's official YT channel recently)
Moon Above... (same as VOT, plus it's the epic of the album)
Faith in Others (a lot of people have named this their favorite song from the album and it would work well as the set closer before the encore)
Seems like a fairly good bet and I'd be pleased with that - those are my 5 favourites from the album  :coolio

As for Black Rose Immortal - I'd love it if they pulled that one out, but it doesn't seem very likely.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 06, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Ooh, a ''funny'' song from 1996? Sounds like Nectar to me. They've done Advent and TNATSW a few years ago if I'm not mistaken, Black rose immortal is way too long to be resurrected and To bid you farewell isn't ''older heavier material''.

It's gonna be a good show.  :metal
Yeah, it's gotta be Nectar. As for the 5 new songs, my guesses are:

Eternal Rains (the opener)
Cusp (the single)
Voice of Treason (a video with some visuals was released on Opeth's official YT channel recently)
Moon Above... (same as VOT, plus it's the epic of the album)
Faith in Others (a lot of people have named this their favorite song from the album and it would work well as the set closer before the encore)

I can agree with that. But part of me wants to bet that they'll play Goblin, mainly because it sounds like a 'fun' song to play and it also gives Mikael's voice a rest for a few minutes.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 06, 2014, 05:24:18 PM
To be honest, I don't really like Black Rose Immortal as much as some of you here. As someone pointed out earlier, Nectar is probably the song in question but I'd love to hear To Bid You Farewell also even though it's been played live before. Any tracks from Orchid through Still Life that have rarely or never been played live would be awesome in the set list.

One of my "guilty pleasure" Opeth songs for lack of a better term is Epilogue. Call me strange, but I love it more than Ending Credits and always wondered how it would sound like live.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 06, 2014, 06:48:47 PM
I'd bet it would be kinda iffy. They've really butchered some atmospheric songs in recent years through over-zealous keyboard improvisation (Patterns in the Ivy being the worst offender) yet we occasionally get good stuff like the version of The Night and the Silent Water from The Roundhouse Tapes.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on October 07, 2014, 06:46:23 AM
I can agree with that. But part of me wants to bet that they'll play Goblin, mainly because it sounds like a 'fun' song to play and it also gives Mikael's voice a rest for a few minutes.
I would take Goblin over Voice of treason or Faith in others any day.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 07, 2014, 06:49:21 AM
I would be disappointed if they didn't play Faith in Others, IMO the best song by far on the album. Moon Above, Sun Below would also be really nice. Eternal Rains and Cusp feels like the two "sure bets", one being the first track and the other being the single. I could see them play Goblin, if I had to guess I would say maybe they would drop Voice of Treason? It's a very string-heavy song on the album, and maybe they'll save it for something special.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 10, 2014, 04:16:56 PM
So the first setlist of their tour is in, and a few surprises. I'll just leave the link so I don't spoil it for anyone who doesn't want to read it, so click at your own choice: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2014/o2-academy-bristol-bristol-england-33cca43d.html
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 10, 2014, 04:29:22 PM
That's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 10, 2014, 04:46:56 PM
Great setlist, I'm just surprised at their selection of PC tunes.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on October 10, 2014, 05:05:01 PM
Awesome setlist.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 10, 2014, 05:08:29 PM
Awesome setlist, I hope the setlist will remain the same for the US Tour.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 11, 2014, 02:48:00 AM
I'll post my thoughts in small text:

Ok, only the 2 obvious ones of my 5 bets for the PC songs were correct! I'm surprised they're playing so few new songs, but Mikael said they've rehearsed 5 new songs, which makes me believe there'll be some rotation. He also said they ended up with a list of 30 songs they'd like to play, so maybe they'll rotate some old songs as well (not all the 30 ones, though!).

I was expecting more songs they hadn't played in a long time (like Nectar), but this set is pretty similar to the one for the anniversary tour. I'm not complaining though, 'cause I'll see Opeth live for the first time in November and the selection of songs is great!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on October 11, 2014, 03:13:32 AM
Holy shit, many of my favorite Opeth songs are in here! October 30th can't come fast enough.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: DerekTheater on October 11, 2014, 06:43:26 AM
Ghost Reveries, Damnation, Blackwater Park are my top 3.

The new album is pretty good, and I look forward to seeing them for the 6th time in a couple of months.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on October 11, 2014, 09:22:12 AM
I'm liking that setlist very much. Definitely looking forward to the 7th of November in Amsterdam!

Last time for me was Progressive Nation in 2007/8 I believe, in Ahoy (Rotterdam). DT was touring Black Clouds, Opeth had just released Watershed. Both bands were great that night.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on October 11, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
That is an amazing setlist.  :hefdaddy Beyond the two expected songs from PC, they are playing my favorite from the record. Then, some great choices from most of their other albums. Unfortunately, none of their planned dates are anywhere near me, and there is no way I will be able to travel across several states on a school night. If some of these dates had been a week (or even a few days) later, I would be able to go. :censored

edit: on second thought, I may be able to go to the PA, NY, or MA show. I completely forgot about exam exemptions :lol Its sure to be a great show
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: aurorablind on October 13, 2014, 03:18:33 AM
Seems like Mikael have been working with his growls! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIXKkn2jwkU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIXKkn2jwkU) (Setlist-spoiler in video!)
Still not perfect, but he sounded way better here than the live videos from the festival tour this summer.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 14, 2014, 01:42:08 AM
Damn, thanks for the setlist spoiler :(  :lol I should probably try to avoid this thread I guess, since I don't want any spoilers.

But Mikael's growls do sound very good there! Before, he mostly did low growls; now, there are more dynamics.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: aurorablind on October 14, 2014, 03:05:38 AM
Damn, thanks for the setlist spoiler :(  :lol I should probably try to avoid this thread I guess, since I don't want any spoilers.

But Mikael's growls do sound very good there! Before, he mostly did low growls; now, there are more dynamics.

Oh crap! Im so sorry. Fixed!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 14, 2014, 03:55:31 AM
Ah well, one song is not too bad. I'll just make sure not to get any other spoilers, I have much more fun when I don't know the setlist in advance (at least for most bands).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ariich on October 14, 2014, 06:21:21 AM
Ah well, one song is not too bad. I'll just make sure not to get any other spoilers, I have much more fun when I don't know the setlist in advance (at least for most bands).
Surely the fact that he prefaced the link by saying that Mikael's growls are sounding decent on this tour should have been the giveaway that it was going to be a video of a song FROM THIS TOUR. You could have just not clicked the link. ;)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 14, 2014, 01:24:45 PM
Of course I would have, but it's edited. Before aurorablind edited the post it said what song it was in the post.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ariich on October 14, 2014, 02:38:21 PM
Of course I would have, but it's edited. Before aurorablind edited the post it said what song it was in the post.
Aha, ignore my comment then. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on October 14, 2014, 06:46:42 PM
Great show tonight in Glasgow  :D The place was packed from quite early on, so Alcest got a great audience too. Unfortunately, the sound for their set was pretty crappy  :'( Thankfully Opeth sounded much better  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on October 17, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
I got my replacement PC bu-ray disc yesterday, totally forgot about it coming, so a very pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on October 31, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Tremendous show last night. Amazing performance and I have to say that the new songs sound surprisingly heavy live.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: me7 on October 31, 2014, 08:12:44 AM
The band's performance was perfect, but the technical audio issues were very irritating. There was a deafening feedback throughout most of the show. I had to use earplugs at times because my left ear started to hurt.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on November 01, 2014, 07:00:53 AM
How fitting, my copy of Ghost Reveries arrived on Halloween.  :metal Really liking this one so far.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Plasmastrike on November 01, 2014, 06:11:18 PM
That's awesome! Enjoy that one :D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: aurorablind on November 07, 2014, 04:52:41 AM
Does anyone know how long Alcest' set is? I'm seeing Opeth in Oslo ( :metal )
The doors open at 8pm, but I probably won't manage to get there before 8:45-ish...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on November 07, 2014, 05:12:35 AM
Does anyone know how long Alcest' set is? I'm seeing Opeth in Oslo ( :metal )
The doors open at 8pm, but I probably won't manage to get there before 8:45-ish...
About 45minutes I think. Just have to hope they don't start too soon after the doors open!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on November 07, 2014, 08:07:27 AM
Anyone going to the show tonight in Amsterdam?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on November 08, 2014, 01:13:09 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10409585_10152884788378410_2470538127907056332_n.jpg?oh=145ef23e7eca32f9db47b93101a920bf&oe=54E3E778&__gda__=1423049261_ed9395c1ce79eac8bbbae11cd2aecfe3)

Ghost Reveries 10th anniversary show next year?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on November 08, 2014, 03:17:12 AM
I saw that too. I hope they're gonna film that one!

The show last night was absolutely epic. Wow, what a setlist.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on November 08, 2014, 06:16:52 AM
Easily the best show I've seen so far by Opeth! The new songs are amazing live, and as a whole it was really a death metal show. They might have released two prog rock albums,  but live there's no compromise on the heavy tracks. I applaud their change of style, and the new tracks are a perfect antidote for the old tracks. It was highly dynamic. I banged my head, I dreamt away, I was at a satanic ritual,  I was at a Uriah Heep show.. These guys do anything and they all pull it off, almost effortless.  It was like a fairytale. Oh and the new keyboard guy is an excellent background vocalist. And Alcest were decent although somewhat cheesy and boring. Mostly due to totally uneventful vocal melodies.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on November 12, 2014, 03:13:58 AM
What a great show last night! :hefdaddy I echo what PixelDream said about the range of emotions: it's incredible how many different moods they can include in one setlist without making it feel like a mishmash. It was hilarious to watch the moshpits stop during the mellow sections and then continue like nothing had happened when distorted guitars kicked back in. :lol Song 11 (no spoilers for those who haven't seen the setlist yet) made everybody go absolutely nuts, and I can't remember headbanging so much at a concert before. :metal A few songs were pretty slow compared to their album versions, but song 9 was as intense as it should be, and Axe's drumming was incredible on it. I would've liked to hear a few more new songs (I know I'm in the minority here! :P), but for a first-timer it was a nice best-of setlist. Alcest was also great, although I missed the first song waiting in line to get into the venue, and they only played a shortened version of the set that I heard in January at their own headlining show.

The funniest moment of the evening was when Mikael proceeded to explain what each member's last name is in English. He said both "åker" and "feldt" mean field, so his name is Mikael Fieldfield. :D He tried to get Mendez to tell him what his name means, but he got no answer, so he said "Mendez means... nothing". Later some dude in the audience shouted "boooriiing!", and Mikael's response was "Well, what's your last name, motherfucker? I bet it means shit!"
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2014, 04:41:35 AM
Quote
OPETH are set to celebrate their landmark 25th Anniversary as a band next year with a very special event at the legendary London Palladium on 18th October 2015. After being the heaviest band to play the Royal Albert Hall (in 2010), they will no doubt be the heaviest band to also play the Palladium.

The unique show, dubbed 'An Evening with OPETH' will feature two sets from the progressive Swedes, including 2005's much-lauded 'Ghost Reveries' album in its entirety (which in turn is celebrating its 10th anniversary), plus a second set of classics from their 25-year career.

Frontman Mikael Akerfeldt is looking forward to the show, informing us; "The forces that be put up a very mystical and subtle little advert on the so called internet. Yes, we will celebrate 25 years of being Opeth in 2015 and this is reason enough to gather up the forces and play. For you. At the Palladium in London. Not sure if they have a dress-code there, as it is a posh little place. Do we care? No we don’t. It will be a pretty unique evening I reckon, hopefully free of technical difficulties. No thanks to Baal! With that said, we are a live band in the true sense of the word and you can never be certain. Regardless it will be a blast and I strongly advise you to think about attending. But don’t think for too long. It might cost you your seat! We’re currently on tour (Hey! Thanks European progrockdeathmetalheads! You are absolutely fantastic and we love you!) and I’m being called for, so gotta dash. Ta-ta!"

Tickets go on general sale at 9am this Friday 14th November and will be available from https://www.livenation.co.uk/artist/opeth-tickets, with a pre-sale set for 9am Thursday 13th. A very limited amount of VIP upgrades, priced at £150 will also be available on pre-sale which allow early entry into the venue, a 20 minute 'meet n' greet' with the band, a commemorative VIP laminate pass, a gift box containing 3 hand engraved, show-exclusive Opeth red wine glasses (exclusive to VIPs of this show only), a tour poster printed on canvas (also exclusive to VIPs of this show only) and your choice of t-shirt from the merch booth. These are expected to sell out extremely quickly so be prepared to move fast if you want VIP upgrades.

OPETH are also set to appear as special guests at next year's Bloodstock Festival in August. Details from www.bloodstock.uk.com.

I hope they film it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on November 12, 2014, 04:58:42 AM
Yeah, I really hope they will!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on November 12, 2014, 04:59:28 AM
Ghost Reveries :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on November 12, 2014, 11:21:49 AM
Popping in because a few weeks ago a friend overheard me listening to Steven Wilson a few weeks ago, and pretty much loved him, so I burned him a copy, but I also burned him a copy of Pale Communion and told him it was pretty similar in style, and while I didn't like it, I told him he should definitely try them out. He's never heard Opeth before, and a few nights ago we were hanging out and he told me Pale Communion sucked  :lol

He had the same qualms about it that I did generally, just nothing to latch onto.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2014, 05:00:42 PM
I don't think Pale Communion is anything like the same style as SW's music. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on November 12, 2014, 05:01:40 PM
It's 70's proggish stuff, I think that's similar enough to make a recommendation to somebody off of.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Sacul on November 12, 2014, 06:48:37 PM
I think Damnation is more near to the SW sound that PC. In fact, it was the album that got me into PT, if it helps.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on November 12, 2014, 06:57:15 PM
I think Damnation is more near to the SW sound that PC. In fact, it was the album that got me into PT, if it helps.
I don't really mean pt, but raven and pc are in a very similar feel, one just happens to completely suck
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2014, 08:50:59 PM
I think Damnation is more near to the SW sound that PC. In fact, it was the album that got me into PT, if it helps.
I don't really mean pt, but raven and pc are in a very similar feel, one just happens to completely suck

more like both
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on November 12, 2014, 08:53:55 PM
I think Damnation is more near to the SW sound that PC. In fact, it was the album that got me into PT, if it helps.
I don't really mean pt, but raven and pc are in a very similar feel, one just happens to completely suck

Come on, The Raven wasn't that bad. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on November 12, 2014, 08:56:52 PM
I think Damnation is more near to the SW sound that PC. In fact, it was the album that got me into PT, if it helps.
I don't really mean pt, but raven and pc are in a very similar feel, one just happens to completely suck

Come on, The Raven wasn't that bad. :neverusethis:
:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Xanthul on November 13, 2014, 12:18:56 AM
I've just realized I haven't listened to Pale Communion again since I bought it, nor do I want to. Some people say it's better than Heritage but for me Heritage had some highlights that kept me returning to it and I even had it in my top 5 for a while (though it's fallen considerably). With PC I feel like I'm OK with never listening to it again.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on November 13, 2014, 12:37:47 AM
I've just realized I haven't listened to Pale Communion again since I bought it, nor do I want to. Some people say it's better than Heritage but for me Heritage had some highlights that kept me returning to it and I even had it in my top 5 for a while (though it's fallen considerably). With PC I feel like I'm OK with never listening to it again.
:tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on November 13, 2014, 01:38:11 AM
Heritage? Highlights? I'll admit I haven't listened to Pale Communion much since the first few weeks of it coming out, but I don't think that situation would have been much different if the album was an equally good progressive death metal album rather than 70s prog rock album. PC is way better than Heritage and I would even say better than Damnation, but despite all that it's still not the Opeth I love the most.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on November 13, 2014, 01:39:04 AM
Heritage? Highlights? I'll admit I haven't listened to Pale Communion much since the first few weeks of it coming out, but I don't think that situation would have been much different if the album was an equally good progressive death metal album rather than 70s prog rock album. PC is way better than Heritage and I would even say better than Damnation, but despite all that it's still not the Opeth I love the most.
Devil's Orchard alone says to me that Heritage has more life than PC.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on November 13, 2014, 01:43:03 AM
Devil's Orchard is probably the most lifeless and boring single Opeth has released in their entire career. I don't think Mikael has a more dull vocal performance in their entire catalog to be honest. The song itself is okay, but vocally it sounds so uninspired and forced.

I'll admit, I don't know exactly all the songs they have had as singles over the years, but Devil's Orchard has to be the weakest.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dark Castle on November 13, 2014, 01:43:34 AM
Devil's Orchard is probably the most lifeless and boring single Opeth has released in their entire career. I don't think Mikael has a more dull vocal performance in their entire catalog to be honest. The song itself is okay, but vocally it sounds so uninspired and forced.

I'll admit, I don't know exactly all the songs they have had as singles over the years, but Devil's Orchard has to be the weakest.

 ???
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Xanthul on November 13, 2014, 01:52:21 AM
Devil's Orchard, I Feel the Dark, Slither (bite me), The Lines in my Hand and Folklore are superior to any PC song for me. Maybe it's just that I haven't given enough chances to PC, but that's how I feel right now.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on November 13, 2014, 01:56:43 AM
I'll admit, I don't know exactly all the songs they have had as singles over the years, but Devil's Orchard has to be the weakest.

"The Drapery Falls"
"Deliverance"
"Still Day Beneath the Sun"
"Windowpane"
"In My Time of Need"
"Master's Apprentices"
"The Grand Conjuration"
"Ghost of Perdition"
"Soldier of Fortune"
"Porcelain Heart"
"Mellotron Heart"
"Burden"
"The Throat of Winter"
"The Devil's Orchard"
"Slither"
"Cusp of Eternity"

According to Wikipedia.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on November 13, 2014, 02:09:47 AM
Devil's Orchard, I Feel the Dark, Slither (bite me), The Lines in my Hand and Folklore are superior to any PC song for me. Maybe it's just that I haven't given enough chances to PC, but that's how I feel right now.

It could also be the case of familiarity. It has happened to me with The Raven That Refused to Sing, but also Weather Systems. Basically an album similar to the previous one, and for whatever reason you just go "meh" with a shoulder rug. I'm not huge on the 70's trend at all, but Heritage was so lukewarm to me that PC didn't have to do much to top it for me, so that might be why I'm enjoying it more.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Xanthul on November 13, 2014, 02:42:07 AM
Devil's Orchard, I Feel the Dark, Slither (bite me), The Lines in my Hand and Folklore are superior to any PC song for me. Maybe it's just that I haven't given enough chances to PC, but that's how I feel right now.

It could also be the case of familiarity. It has happened to me with The Raven That Refused to Sing, but also Weather Systems. Basically an album similar to the previous one, and for whatever reason you just go "meh" with a shoulder rug. I'm not huge on the 70's trend at all, but Heritage was so lukewarm to me that PC didn't have to do much to top it for me, so that might be why I'm enjoying it more.

Yeah there's definitely some of that here at work. I liked Heritage a lot at first (you can probably find some outlandish rankings by myself when it came out  :lol) but I don't consider it a great album. I guess when PC came out I just felt like "meh, more of the same" and I haven't really felt inclined to give it a fair shot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on November 13, 2014, 03:25:36 AM
Quote
OPETH are set to celebrate their landmark 25th Anniversary as a band next year with a very special event at the legendary London Palladium on 18th October 2015. After being the heaviest band to play the Royal Albert Hall (in 2010), they will no doubt be the heaviest band to also play the Palladium.

The unique show, dubbed 'An Evening with OPETH' will feature two sets from the progressive Swedes, including 2005's much-lauded 'Ghost Reveries' album in its entirety (which in turn is celebrating its 10th anniversary), plus a second set of classics from their 25-year career.

Frontman Mikael Akerfeldt is looking forward to the show, informing us; "The forces that be put up a very mystical and subtle little advert on the so called internet. Yes, we will celebrate 25 years of being Opeth in 2015 and this is reason enough to gather up the forces and play. For you. At the Palladium in London. Not sure if they have a dress-code there, as it is a posh little place. Do we care? No we don’t. It will be a pretty unique evening I reckon, hopefully free of technical difficulties. No thanks to Baal! With that said, we are a live band in the true sense of the word and you can never be certain. Regardless it will be a blast and I strongly advise you to think about attending. But don’t think for too long. It might cost you your seat! We’re currently on tour (Hey! Thanks European progrockdeathmetalheads! You are absolutely fantastic and we love you!) and I’m being called for, so gotta dash. Ta-ta!"

Tickets go on general sale at 9am this Friday 14th November and will be available from https://www.livenation.co.uk/artist/opeth-tickets, with a pre-sale set for 9am Thursday 13th. A very limited amount of VIP upgrades, priced at £150 will also be available on pre-sale which allow early entry into the venue, a 20 minute 'meet n' greet' with the band, a commemorative VIP laminate pass, a gift box containing 3 hand engraved, show-exclusive Opeth red wine glasses (exclusive to VIPs of this show only), a tour poster printed on canvas (also exclusive to VIPs of this show only) and your choice of t-shirt from the merch booth. These are expected to sell out extremely quickly so be prepared to move fast if you want VIP upgrades.

OPETH are also set to appear as special guests at next year's Bloodstock Festival in August. Details from www.bloodstock.uk.com.
I hope they film it.
The latest FB pic says "25th anniversary tour", so it looks like more dates will be announced later. They didn't play any Evolution XX shows in Finland, so hopefully they come here this time around. Either way, we're long overdue for a new Opeth DVD!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on November 13, 2014, 08:10:12 PM
Pale Communion has established itself in my mind as the album of the year for me. As much as I would like Opeth to put out another 'death metal' album, PC just does everything right. It does everything right that Heritage failed in (except I really like Folklore). The PC material they played at the show was just jaw-dropping awesome. Adding to that, 'Faith In Others' continues to be my favorite song of the year. It has that King Crimson 'Epitaph' beauty to it, without copying it.

Together with PC's beautiful production and dynamic (non) mastered production.. I haven't heard anything else this year that can compete with this one. I really, really like the place where Opeth is in right now. Especially considering that they're really nailing the old stuff this tour as well. WOW. Album of the year, show of the year, band of the year.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on November 13, 2014, 09:57:21 PM
Quote
OPETH are set to celebrate their landmark 25th Anniversary as a band next year with a very special event at the legendary London Palladium on 18th October 2015. After being the heaviest band to play the Royal Albert Hall (in 2010), they will no doubt be the heaviest band to also play the Palladium.

The unique show, dubbed 'An Evening with OPETH' will feature two sets from the progressive Swedes, including 2005's much-lauded 'Ghost Reveries' album in its entirety (which in turn is celebrating its 10th anniversary), plus a second set of classics from their 25-year career.

Frontman Mikael Akerfeldt is looking forward to the show, informing us; "The forces that be put up a very mystical and subtle little advert on the so called internet. Yes, we will celebrate 25 years of being Opeth in 2015 and this is reason enough to gather up the forces and play. For you. At the Palladium in London. Not sure if they have a dress-code there, as it is a posh little place. Do we care? No we don’t. It will be a pretty unique evening I reckon, hopefully free of technical difficulties. No thanks to Baal! With that said, we are a live band in the true sense of the word and you can never be certain. Regardless it will be a blast and I strongly advise you to think about attending. But don’t think for too long. It might cost you your seat! We’re currently on tour (Hey! Thanks European progrockdeathmetalheads! You are absolutely fantastic and we love you!) and I’m being called for, so gotta dash. Ta-ta!"

Tickets go on general sale at 9am this Friday 14th November and will be available from https://www.livenation.co.uk/artist/opeth-tickets, with a pre-sale set for 9am Thursday 13th. A very limited amount of VIP upgrades, priced at £150 will also be available on pre-sale which allow early entry into the venue, a 20 minute 'meet n' greet' with the band, a commemorative VIP laminate pass, a gift box containing 3 hand engraved, show-exclusive Opeth red wine glasses (exclusive to VIPs of this show only), a tour poster printed on canvas (also exclusive to VIPs of this show only) and your choice of t-shirt from the merch booth. These are expected to sell out extremely quickly so be prepared to move fast if you want VIP upgrades.

OPETH are also set to appear as special guests at next year's Bloodstock Festival in August. Details from www.bloodstock.uk.com.

I hope they film it.

It'd be a big mistake if they didn't. Although that'll mean that all of their live DVDs were filmed in London.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: me7 on November 14, 2014, 01:03:59 AM
Together with PC's beautiful production and dynamic (non) mastered production

The album's sound doesn't get enough praise. Pale Communion and Devin Townsend's Casualties of Cool are the best sounding albums I've heard this year. We need more albums that sound like this.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 14, 2014, 07:25:43 AM
The sound is definitely outstanding.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on November 14, 2014, 10:32:21 AM
Pale Communion has established itself in my mind as the album of the year for me. As much as I would like Opeth to put out another 'death metal' album, PC just does everything right. It does everything right that Heritage failed in (except I really like Folklore). The PC material they played at the show was just jaw-dropping awesome. Adding to that, 'Faith In Others' continues to be my favorite song of the year. It has that King Crimson 'Epitaph' beauty to it, without copying it.

Together with PC's beautiful production and dynamic (non) mastered production.. I haven't heard anything else this year that can compete with this one. I really, really like the place where Opeth is in right now. Especially considering that they're really nailing the old stuff this tour as well. WOW. Album of the year, show of the year, band of the year.

Christ almighty I thought I was alone! SO much concurrence. Well, except for album and band of the year; Devy takes the cake with ease for that one in my ears. But PC is up there, no doubt. I still spin it every few nights.

Together with PC's beautiful production and dynamic (non) mastered production

The album's sound doesn't get enough praise. Pale Communion and Devin Townsend's Casualties of Cool are the best sounding albums I've heard this year. We need more albums that sound like this.

This as well. Even though they might not musically be my absolute favorite from either artist, the music is still fantastic, but it's the sound that truly puts them above and beyond. Truly masterful production and I'm really, honestly scared that these guys are gonna ruin some other bands for me because I'm so used to their sound now that a lot of other music sounds like white noise in comparison (clearly an exaggeration).  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on November 14, 2014, 06:18:33 PM
Pale Communion has established itself in my mind as the album of the year for me. As much as I would like Opeth to put out another 'death metal' album, PC just does everything right. It does everything right that Heritage failed in (except I really like Folklore). The PC material they played at the show was just jaw-dropping awesome. Adding to that, 'Faith In Others' continues to be my favorite song of the year. It has that King Crimson 'Epitaph' beauty to it, without copying it.

Together with PC's beautiful production and dynamic (non) mastered production.. I haven't heard anything else this year that can compete with this one. I really, really like the place where Opeth is in right now. Especially considering that they're really nailing the old stuff this tour as well. WOW. Album of the year, show of the year, band of the year.

Christ almighty I thought I was alone! SO much concurrence. Well, except for album and band of the year; Devy takes the cake with ease for that one in my ears. But PC is up there, no doubt. I still spin it every few nights.

Together with PC's beautiful production and dynamic (non) mastered production

The album's sound doesn't get enough praise. Pale Communion and Devin Townsend's Casualties of Cool are the best sounding albums I've heard this year. We need more albums that sound like this.

This as well. Even though they might not musically be my absolute favorite from either artist, the music is still fantastic, but it's the sound that truly puts them above and beyond. Truly masterful production and I'm really, honestly scared that these guys are gonna ruin some other bands for me because I'm so used to their sound now that a lot of other music sounds like white noise in comparison (clearly an exaggeration).  :lol

Indeed. I'm sick and tired of bands releasing brickwalled albums. It's not fun anymore. It's not 'heavy'. More dynamics = more punch. And I don't mean that a hot master can't be cool. Tool's 10,000 Days was hot as hell, but because of the fat sounds it still sounded awesome. The hot mastering actually fit that record.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: aurorablind on November 16, 2014, 11:28:25 AM
Saw them in Oslo this friday.
Holy shit what a show!

Perfect sound, perfect performances!

 :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 16, 2014, 05:04:58 PM
Yeah. One thing they never fuck around on is their live sound.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on November 19, 2014, 12:21:45 PM
Yeah. One thing they never fuck around on is their live sound.

I actually think it got better. Mikael's lead guitar sound in particular.

One thing that really stood out to me was when for instance Fredrik's solo in Cusp of Eternity came on. Right from the first note on, that guitar sound was right in your face, defined, and not harsh at all. Being very familiar with that moment, it was not only as loud as I had hoped, it was even better than that. That's good live sound. Enhancing the emotions that are in the music.

9 times out of 10, a lead guitarist's solo gets turned up way too late into the solo.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: countoftuscany42 on November 19, 2014, 12:40:18 PM
out of curiosity, did anyone manage to get a replacement bluray from the defective first batch? every time i tried to enter my code it said it was already used since i had already downloaded the bonus track.  anyone have luck another way?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on November 19, 2014, 02:54:56 PM
out of curiosity, did anyone manage to get a replacement bluray from the defective first batch? every time i tried to enter my code it said it was already used since i had already downloaded the bonus track.  anyone have luck another way?

I got mine a few weeks ago...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on November 19, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
out of curiosity, did anyone manage to get a replacement bluray from the defective first batch? every time i tried to enter my code it said it was already used since i had already downloaded the bonus track.  anyone have luck another way?

I had the same issue and filled out the contact form here: https://redemptions.warnermusic.com/contacts/

I think it was the next day, they sent me a new code.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on December 14, 2014, 07:16:59 AM
Reggae album coming soon?

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10857961_10152958717503410_2904586738986419627_n.jpg?oh=8b718e40e2ac636db2c2ab642c31786d&oe=550EAFA5)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on December 14, 2014, 07:18:48 AM
 :lol :metal Love it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bout to crash on December 14, 2014, 12:27:47 PM
 :lol, that's kind of terrifying.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: mikemangioy on December 14, 2014, 02:04:15 PM
I've purchased Watershed today. I'm stoked, it's my first Opeth album :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on December 15, 2014, 01:54:08 AM
 :rollin :rollin Wow, seems they're having fun on tour!  :lol

I've purchased Watershed today. I'm stoked, it's my first Opeth album :metal :metal

 :metal Very good!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 15, 2014, 08:38:13 AM
that's kind of terrifying.
next album - rasta lyrics sung in death growls set to reggae beats. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bout to crash on December 15, 2014, 08:56:07 AM
I...might pay to hear that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tyrias on December 15, 2014, 09:20:31 AM
I...might pay to hear that.
might?

I'd totally pay to hear that, expecially if it's Mikael doing it  :D.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 15, 2014, 10:45:18 AM
that's kind of terrifying.
next album - rasta lyrics sung in clean vocals set to 70s prog.

Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 15, 2014, 10:48:54 AM
I...might pay to hear that.
In there like swimwear, baby.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on December 15, 2014, 11:12:55 AM
Swim ear.

I really hate ear infections. I just got over one.

This is relatable to Opeth because...water...shed...?  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on December 15, 2014, 02:35:17 PM
I'm going to see them for the first time in Philly on Wednesday!  :metal

Though I just looked at setlist.fm; it seems as though the show is a LOT shorter than in Europe. That is a little disappointing, though they are still playing The Moor, and added The Drapery Falls, and looks to be a solid setlist overall. Over an hour of good stuff.

A few questions for those who have seen them (preferably in the US): how was their sound, and what merch did they sell?

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 15, 2014, 03:21:50 PM
Another question: who's playing first, Opeth or In Flames? Has it been different from night to night?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: countoftuscany42 on December 15, 2014, 05:07:10 PM
In Flames came on first, and I'm pretty sure that has been consistent.  In terms of merch, Opeth had shirts, sweatshirt, wristband, turntable slipmat, and signed copies of heritage and pale communion.  I thought their sound was great in SF, but i was in the balcony versus the floor so i don't know how it was there.  The sound at the electric factory in philly is so-so, i guess it depends where in the audience you're standing
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 15, 2014, 05:07:19 PM
Another question: who's playing first, Opeth or In Flames? Has it been different from night to night?

Opeth closes every night.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on December 15, 2014, 07:14:50 PM
Thanks for your answers. Now I have a day to become familiar with In Flame's setlist.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on December 15, 2014, 07:52:35 PM
In terms of merch, Opeth had shirts, sweatshirt, wristband, turntable slipmat, and signed copies of heritage and pale communion.
I'm sure they had a tour tee, but did they have a tee of just the Opeth logo by any chance? Last year when they toured in the US, they had those and I thought of getting one at the show I went to, but I didn't in the end. The turntable slipmat's an interesting merch I think. I'm getting a new turntable soon, so if the price isn't ridiculous I might get one of those.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on December 15, 2014, 08:02:02 PM
I saw them during the Watershed tour, and back then wasn't too keen on Watershed in it's entirety except for The Lotus Eater; but they rocked my socks off in both sound and stage presence. It should be noted that I was in a shitty little Houston venue that was like a fucking sardine can in size and look and they still sounded awesome; granted, I was front and center and their amp and speaker set up was perfect for that placement, but that's also apart of concerts is seeing and knowing how the sound set up is placed and picking a spot accordingly. The dummies get the short end of the stick, always. I suppose it doesn't matter now that it's been (over) a few years but the set list was fucking awesome as well. Overall it's one of my favorite concerts I've been to and that's saying a lot given that I went by myself and I really hate going to concerts by myself and it usually takes away from the experience a lot for me, but this time I was so enthralled and immersed that it didn't matter.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on December 16, 2014, 01:04:55 AM
Martin Axenrot was voted Best Prog Drummer In The World Today.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/opeths_martin_axenrot_named_best_prog_drummer_in_the_world_today.html

I know he's a great drummer but best in the world?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on December 16, 2014, 01:44:59 AM
In my opinion, Gavin Harrison is better, and I could very well understand if someone thought Neil Peart is better. I haven't listened to Rush so much but Neil Peart is very good. I do absolutely love Martin's drumming though. He has a lot of stand-out performances for me; for example, his drumming on The Lotus Eater is stunning.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on December 16, 2014, 02:02:27 AM
He wouldn't be in my top3, but good for him I guess.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on December 16, 2014, 03:01:24 AM
I'm surprised he's number one, but damn, he's really good.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Xanthul on December 16, 2014, 04:21:10 AM
Rankings are pointless anyway
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: YtseJamittaja on December 16, 2014, 10:34:38 AM
Definitely not the best but well, who cares? Good for him. Gavin Harrison is God.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on December 16, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
My problem with Gavin Harrison is that he sounds the same in anything he does. I like his work with PT, but whenever I listen to some of the more recent album he appears on, it just feels like he's doing the same thing. Don't get me wrong, most drummers have a trademark sound, and you could identify their drum kits from miles away, but to me it feels like he reverts back to some of the same "tricks" too often.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on December 16, 2014, 01:25:55 PM
I totally get what you're saying, he hasn't really changed it up much. Totally love the guy's drumming though.

But, MP on place 2 kinda puts the whole poll into question. MP hasn't done anything of drumming importance in 10 years.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on December 16, 2014, 01:41:58 PM
I'm not saying its the case with this poll in particular, but with a lot of these magazine polls, I get the feeling that the staff sits down and looks at what are the most important (or biggest) bands of the scene, puts the names of the musicians in a hat and draws the order. Very rarely do you get names that are out of the blue. Most of the picks are the safe ones, even if it's musicians who are 10-15 or even 20 years past their prime.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on December 16, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
To a good degree it's also about scratching each other's backs. Put somebody high in a poll, they'll remember, and more likely do an interview with your magazine in the future.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: emtee on December 16, 2014, 02:26:32 PM
1) Ghost Reveries
2) Damnation
3) Still Life


Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on December 16, 2014, 10:52:45 PM
I don't like Axe as much as Harrison or Peart, but good for him. There's some great drumming on the latest two albums :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on December 19, 2014, 10:39:46 AM
Opeth, tonight! Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on December 19, 2014, 08:01:09 PM
Opeth, tonight! Looking forward to it.

Saw them Wednesday. Opeth alone was worth the ticket price and the ten hours worth of driving. In Flames was just a bonus.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on December 19, 2014, 09:42:08 PM
Ugh, just got back. I saw exactly 4 Opeth songs, and then had to drive (really, race) back because I couldn't extend the rental car any further. Doors opened at 6:30, but Opeth didn't get on until 9:45 because In Flames just kept on playing. Given how I really don't care for In Flames, it kinda pissed me off.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on December 19, 2014, 10:04:26 PM
I saw them on Thursday. I was there for Opeth mostly but I thought Red Fang was pretty awesome. In Flames I thought were pretty good considering how worse I thought they would've been. They were like a bonus for me really. IF invited a fan on stage during one song to take a video of the audience from stage view which made that fan's night I bet (I actually talked with him during the show, he was there for Opeth but just got into IF). Sucks that Opeth played only 7 songs, but they were all 7+ minute songs and with the exception of the final song, all songs I've never heard love so it's all good.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on December 19, 2014, 10:20:01 PM
Wait, they only play 7 songs? That makes me feel better, since that means I saw more than half of their concert.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on December 19, 2014, 10:36:01 PM
Yep. Only 7 songs for a total set length of 75 minutes. In Flames' set was also 75 minutes long.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 20, 2014, 01:13:03 PM
Chicago got 8 songs, the only date so far to do so  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: mikemangioy on December 21, 2014, 08:24:50 AM
Well, folks, it's december 21st today.

This means that

WE ENTERED WINTER ONCE AGAAAAAAAAIN
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on December 21, 2014, 08:29:09 AM
I might as well spin that album today.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on December 21, 2014, 10:22:09 PM
I am really, really liking Pale Communion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on January 03, 2015, 11:54:46 AM
Dirge For November....god damn you. This, to me, is the epitome of Opeth, and the only song of theirs that can make me truly miss their old sound. Granted, I think that with this and others, they reached their peak of 'that sound', and continuing would've made it bland eventually, but it still makes me miss it. I love their new sound a lot, but Dirge is just perfection incarnate. It's that beautiful malaise, that brooding silence, and then the cascading, soothing notes that dance with the gurgling, bubbling acidic growl of vehemence and the bating tones of the guitars, then right back to that hypnotic, dream-like caress of the softer notes. FFFFFF-

I'm just glad I got to see this live. I'm pretty sure I was hard the entire time. Much love for what I think is the greatest Opeth song evaaaar. Great for the weather where I am. Then again Pale Communion also fits just as well. It's just that I love a good violent beauty from time to time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BRGM on January 03, 2015, 03:42:52 PM
Never been a fan of Opeth at all tbh, but pale communion is really great! Moon Above, Sun Below and Faith In others are both stellar songs. I'm trying to get into their earlier stuff but the growls are really off-putting for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on January 05, 2015, 07:08:42 AM
Turkish fans will be getting a visit from Opeth in March.

https://www.biletix.com/etkinlik-grup/96678253/TURKIYE/en
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2015, 02:49:58 PM
Never been a fan of Opeth at all tbh, but pale communion is really great! Moon Above, Sun Below and Faith In others are both stellar songs. I'm trying to get into their earlier stuff but the growls are really off-putting for me.

Try Ghost Reveries.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on January 19, 2015, 06:28:00 PM
Beginning my quest to get into Opeth. Listened to Orchid on my morning commute. VERY impressed and VERY glad I started this mission.

I've always thought death metal wasn't the genre for me since I typically don't enjoy death growls (although they don't hurt my enjoyment), I dislike downtuned guitars and generally amelodic music, and I DESPISE blast beats. I have yet to get into a band that regularly used blast beats. Unfortunately for me, Death, Atheist, Cynic and a few other DM bands were some of my favorite musical acts, and I've spent years looking for other good DM bands that fit my weird tastes. I'm hoping Opeth may be one of these bands. So far I'm liking everything about this album. Heavy, melodic, progressive, and no blast beats! Orchid, where have you been, my whole life! Now, if only the later Opeth can stay as enjoyable as these first 2 "heavy" albums.... I'm sure it is. I see the public opinion on the first couple albums is pretty low, so I'm optimistic.

I think Forest of October is my favorite from the album, although based on pretty limited listenings.

Only complaint is that the vocals get pretty screachy and black metally at times. I would like a more typical Death Metal style, which I think he does get into later.

I like how audible the bass is. Surprised by how progressive the songs are. Can I mention again how happy I am that the album doesn't have blast beats?

Also, I get the impression that Opeth isn't tremendously respected by metal purists as much as they maybe should...? I don't know why this is. I feel it's weird that I've always asked around the internal for progressive death metal and no one would ever suggest Opeth. But yet this type of music is what more or less exactly what I was looking for.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scorpion on January 20, 2015, 01:39:39 AM
While you shouldn't listen to these filthy plebs - Orchid and Morningrise are very much awesome - it is indeed true that they peaked around their 4th/5th album, as most would say.

Also, I think there is one Opeth song with blast beats, so you should be ok.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on January 20, 2015, 04:19:39 AM
People tend to differ on Orchid/Morningrise. Personally I really like them both, but a lot of fans think they are a bit unpolished or "raw", but IMO there are some true gems on them. I would say that from My Arms Your Hearse and forward, it's basically smooth sailing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on January 20, 2015, 04:23:53 AM
The Lotus Eater and the live version of Wreath are the only Opeth songs to include blast beats, and even in the former they're heard during a clean vocal section. Mikael started to use deeper growls predominantly after the first 2-3 albums and the little shades of black metal in their music disappeared around the same time.

Opeth is very different compared to other extreme metal bands even in their heaviest moments, due to the aforementioned lack of blast beats and the fact that almost all their songs are in standard tuning.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on January 20, 2015, 05:39:31 PM
Another day of listening to Orchid, so very impressed. Really enjoying it. Not sure why it gets a bad rap here. Every song has quite a few catchy melodies. I'm not even that against the production, it doesn't grate on my ears.

The only real "flaw" of the album is that the song writing is definitely all over the place. Transitions out of nowhere, songs come to fitting conclusions and then restart with a totally different riff because they have a pen and paper and what the ****. Luckily for me the total lack of fitting transitions doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the music one bit. It never gets repetitive. Just great melodies all over the place.

And no blast beats! Anyone know any other bands that sound like this Orchid album?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: senecadawg2 on January 20, 2015, 05:51:16 PM
I haven't listened to Orchid in a long while, but I was never blown away by it when I first got into Opeth. Morningrise, on the other hand, made a very strong impression early on and would probably rank in my top 3 Opeth albums, along with Still Life and Ghost Reveries. Hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Outcrier on January 20, 2015, 07:02:44 PM
Another day of listening to Orchid, so very impressed. Really enjoying it. Not sure why it gets a bad rap here. Every song has quite a few catchy melodies. I'm not even that against the production, it doesn't grate on my ears.

No bad rap, it's just weaker compared to what Opeth put out after.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on January 20, 2015, 09:09:22 PM
The only real "flaw" of the album is that the song writing is definitely all over the place. Transitions out of nowhere, songs come to fitting conclusions and then restart with a totally different riff because they have a pen and paper and what the ****.

this is the only reason I rate this album and to some extent the second album a bit lower than most of those that came after.  They perfected those transitions to great effect.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on January 21, 2015, 05:06:16 PM
What was Mikael Akerfeldt influenced by? I saw an interview with Steven Wilson where says Mikael didn't grow up with prog and has just been discovering it over the past 10 years or so. All of Opeth's music is really proggy, though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on January 21, 2015, 05:08:14 PM
I know he was very influenced by some heavier bands like Morbid Angel and Celtic Frost, but most of his love is for 70's music. He has a column here in the biggest music magazine in Sweden, and every month he recommends an album, usually from the 70's or 80's. I know he is a huge Judas Priest fan, but he often recommends really odd 70's albums. I know Comus is a common favorite he shares with Steven Wilson, but also bands like Camel and Carmen he speaks quite fondly of.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on January 21, 2015, 08:28:44 PM
I'm more wondering what he listened to growing up since even their debut is extremely proggy and he apparently wasn't hugely into prog until recently.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on January 21, 2015, 11:05:25 PM
You know, the only things really progressive about Orchid are the song structures/lengths. Nobody was doing that sort of thing in their format so it's entirely possible that they came up with that style without any prog influence. The calm acoustic parts seem more inspired by folk music to me and the metal parts scream Iron Maiden or early Swedish Death Metal. Some Black Metal in there too. I don't hear any Yes or Genesis or that sort of thing in the old stuff.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on January 22, 2015, 04:29:59 AM
What was Mikael Akerfeldt influenced by? I saw an interview with Steven Wilson where says Mikael didn't grow up with prog and has just been discovering it over the past 10 years or so. All of Opeth's music is really proggy, though.
He has been a prog fan way longer than that - even the title of the third album (My Arms, Your Hearse) was nicked from a Comus song. In one interview Mikael said he started collecting LPs in the early 90s when CDs became the norm and people started selling their old vinyls in second-hand stores to get rid of them. He stopped following the death metal scene in the mid-90s, and since then he has mostly listened to 70s prog, psychedelia, singer-songwriter stuff and classic hard rock/metal.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on January 24, 2015, 04:41:27 PM
Akerfeldt has always liked proggy stuff and got involved in the progressive metal scene when Dream Theater got big in the early 90s. He liked the way they were able to take prog rock sounds and musicianship and make it really heavy.

I read that in an interview somewhere. Cant google it right now to find the article
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on January 26, 2015, 02:45:06 PM
I have to say, Damnation is REALLY good. It may even be tied with Ghost Reveries as my second favorite Opeth album (with MAYH in first). No other album of theirs has clicked to such an extent on the very first listen.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Crow on January 26, 2015, 04:16:13 PM
several months after getting it and I still can't get into Pale Communion. not that the songs are bad but there's just not a lot to return to. it's proggy, yeah, but more prog for the sake of being prog, there's not much emotion in any of the songs and no hooks or interesting riffs or much of anything that makes me want to return to the album, it's just so dry. eugh. I felt the same about Heritage so if the next Opeth album is another 70's prog rock-styled album I'm probably not going to end up getting it unfortunately.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ishak540m on January 26, 2015, 05:51:23 PM
I'm not sure why but I love Pale Communication.  It's complex but simple and organic.  It's emotional and dynamic with perfect highs and lows.  It's heavy but mature. The drumming is insane.  Just a perfect balance for me.  It kind of reminded me of John Mclaughlin's album "Extrapolation."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on January 29, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Morningrise is a phenomenal album, I think I like it even more than Orchid. The songwriting has definitely improved over the debut. A lot less random mood changes. The songs just fit together well. Orchid honestly felt like a collection of (very good) riffs thrown together in a randomizer and whatever order the riffs came out was how the album sounded. As such it was hard for me to connect the album together as individual and unique songs, but Morningrise doesn't have that problem, every song is unique and more easily identifiable. Love how the album is still somewhat black/death metaly with no blast beats. Awesome album. Kind of a bummer that I love the first 2 albums so much, knowing that their style would change and the 2 first albums are almost aberrations.

Also the bass is very audible and very enjoyable on this album. Suprised to hear that Mikael canned the guy after this album. Am I right in saying that Opeth is realistically a solo project?

Advent is my favorite song on the album, although all 5 songs are amazing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: darkshade on January 29, 2015, 06:58:02 PM
Am I right in saying that Opeth is realistically a solo project?

At this point, probably. But MAYH through Ghost Reveries is the classic lineup, and IS Opeth for me and most fans. I think Akerfeldt wrote most of the music anyway, but now it's his band since Watershed IMO. I do like where the band has been going lately, but I haven't been "wowed" since Ghost Reveries to be honest.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Outcrier on January 29, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Morningrise is their first classic album (and things will get even better).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 30, 2015, 03:47:40 PM
Am I right in saying that Opeth is realistically a solo project?

At this point, probably. But MAYH through Ghost Reveries is the classic lineup, and IS Opeth for me and most fans. I think Akerfeldt wrote most of the music anyway, but now it's his band since Watershed IMO. I do like where the band has been going lately, but I haven't been "wowed" since Ghost Reveries to be honest.

it's definitely worth consideration when you look at how Axe played drums pre-Opeth and how many Lopez-isms he's used since joining the band (bar the Latin percussion — i'm talking kit-wise here: snare ghosts notes, etc.). Åkerfeldt clearly knows how he wants his drums ;)

but then, you listen to Frederik Åkesson solo, or almost any Mendez bassline, and it's clear as day who's playing, just by style. so the members very clearly have an important, Opethian presence (something i think you can also argue for Per Wiberg when he was playing keys).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on January 31, 2015, 08:36:25 AM
I've got to say that Mikael was blessed with a whole lot of singing talent. Not many people are lucky enough to be good at singing in one... register (?).. for lack of a better term, but Mikael has great death and clean vocals. I'm not sure what the popular opinion on his cleans are but I think he has a really beautiful singing voice, and his death grunts are also powerful as hell.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on January 31, 2015, 09:05:36 AM
I think I used to appreciate him more as a singer before Heritage/Pale Communion, and to some extent Watershed came out. I loved it how he would switch between harsh vocals and clean vocals, and considering many of the "traditional" Opeth songs are maybe 70/30 harsh/clean vocals, the sparse use of the clean vocals added some more magic to them. Once Mikael sang clean vocals, usually those parts became really memorable and more beautiful in contrast to the heaviness. Nowadays when it's all clean vocals, I find it harder to find really good vocal moments from him. He still sings fine, but he rarely blows me away these days.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on February 01, 2015, 06:41:35 AM
I think I used to appreciate him more as a singer before Heritage/Pale Communion, and to some extent Watershed came out. I loved it how he would switch between harsh vocals and clean vocals, and considering many of the "traditional" Opeth songs are maybe 70/30 harsh/clean vocals, the sparse use of the clean vocals added some more magic to them. Once Mikael sang clean vocals, usually those parts became really memorable and more beautiful in contrast to the heaviness. Nowadays when it's all clean vocals, I find it harder to find really good vocal moments from him. He still sings fine, but he rarely blows me away these days.

I do not agree; on the early albums, his cleans stood out because of the contrast with the harsh vocals, but the cleans themselves were rather amateurish. They have steadily improved over the years, and are at the best they have ever been on the last few albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on February 01, 2015, 06:57:23 AM
I like the raspy "rock" vocals Mikael has started to use recently and the way his clean singing has diversified since he stopped growling.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on February 01, 2015, 07:32:23 AM
I think I used to appreciate him more as a singer before Heritage/Pale Communion, and to some extent Watershed came out. I loved it how he would switch between harsh vocals and clean vocals, and considering many of the "traditional" Opeth songs are maybe 70/30 harsh/clean vocals, the sparse use of the clean vocals added some more magic to them. Once Mikael sang clean vocals, usually those parts became really memorable and more beautiful in contrast to the heaviness. Nowadays when it's all clean vocals, I find it harder to find really good vocal moments from him. He still sings fine, but he rarely blows me away these days.

I do not agree; on the early albums, his cleans stood out because of the contrast with the harsh vocals, but the cleans themselves were rather amateurish. They have steadily improved over the years, and are at the best they have ever been on the last few albums.

I agree that he has improved his technique, but I would say his peak was MAYH-Ghost Reveries.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on February 02, 2015, 12:26:07 AM
I like the raspy "rock" vocals Mikael has started to use recently and the way his clean singing has diversified since he stopped growling.
Agreed. I get what Zantera is saying and I definitely miss the contrast too, but I think he makes up for that with having a better and more diverse clean style of singing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on February 02, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
After a couple days of listening to My Arms, Your Hearse, I'm really enjoying it, but I believe I like this less than the previous 2 albums.

My first thought with this album is that the riffs seems to be in a lower register on the guitar (or key? All the riffs seems to be constructed of lower pitched notes than the riffs from the first 2 albums). This is distinctly a feature of death metal, and it's a thing I don't like. My ears discern melodies better in higher frequencies. A lot of death metal (especially the albums with detuned guitars) sounds like a wall of sound to my ears. Orchid and Morningrise had higher pitched riffs, almost classic heavy metal/Iron Maiden style riffage at times.

The songs themselves are very good. Well, I enjoy listening to the the album, but I'm not instantly in love like I was on my first listen of Orchid and Morningrise. The first 2 tracks are my favorite, especially April Ethereal. Opeth has a knack for writing really good openers. I like Credence a lot too. I REALLY like Mikael's voice. Karma is really good too. Epilogue is really good too, love the ending guitar.

Okay, maybe I rank this album up there with the first 2. Thinking about it, I do like every song quite a bit. But really only April Ethereal (and maybe When) can compare with the songs I truly adore like In Mist She Was Standing/Forest of October/Twilight is my Robe/Advent/Night and the Silent Water/Nectar/Black Rose Immortal/To Bid You Farewell (Side note: Holy crap, I love Morningrise. I love every song on that album. Every second is just bliss, from open 'till close).

I like how the tracks segue in together seamlessly. My first time around I was on track 3 before I realized I wasn't still on the opener. Bass is now a lot less audible than it was before, not a huge loss but I liked the memorable bass lines on previous albums.

Holy f***, Mikael Akerfeldt must have sold his soul to the devil to get that voice. Just a freakishly talented dude.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:18 PM
MAYH is, in my opinion, when Opeth went from good to great. I wasn't a huge fan of it at first, but it grew on me a lot. It's an insanely consistent album in terms of quality.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on February 02, 2015, 06:08:20 PM
I really like the first two, but MAYH was their first true "classic" IMO. When, April Ethereal, The Amen Corner, Demon of the Fall, and Credence... so many good ones.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on February 03, 2015, 01:45:23 AM
According to Mikael they abandoned the counterpoint guitar style after Morningrise because so many bands started using it and it became a cliché, especially in the Swedish metal scene.

MAYH is one of my top 3 Opeth albums thanks to its great flow and cohesion. It may not have as many individual standout tracks as some later albums, but no song feels like a filler, either.
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Holy f***, Mikael Akerfeldt must have sold his soul to the devil to get that voice. Just a freakishly talented dude.
He actually had a cold during the recording sessions, which makes his performance even more impressive :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on February 03, 2015, 03:29:18 AM
It's also worth noting that MAYH was the first album to include what most of us consider the "classic" Opeth line-up, with Martin Lopez joining on drums, and Mendez joining on bass. If I'm not mistaken though, I believe Mikael himself played all the bass parts on MAYH, so that might explain why the bass isn't the focus. I believe Mendez just came to the country around this time, joined the band and "settled in", and this in the middle of recording, so Mikael played those parts.

I still miss the original line-up. Nothing against the new guys, they are pretty good, but there was a something "atmosphere" when they had Martin Lopez on drums and Peter Lindgren on guitar. Both of them left after Ghost Reveries. But MAYH - Still Life - BWP - Deliverance - Damnation - Ghost Reveries all feature the classic line-up.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on February 03, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
I still miss the original line-up.
You mean the 1990 one with David Isberg and co.? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on February 03, 2015, 10:07:41 AM
My bad. I mean the classic one.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on February 04, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
After a couple days of listening to My Arms, Your Hearse, I'm really enjoying it, but I believe I like this less than the previous 2 albums.

My first thought with this album is that the riffs seems to be in a lower register on the guitar (or key? All the riffs seems to be constructed of lower pitched notes than the riffs from the first 2 albums). This is distinctly a feature of death metal, and it's a thing I don't like. My ears discern melodies better in higher frequencies. A lot of death metal (especially the albums with detuned guitars) sounds like a wall of sound to my ears. Orchid and Morningrise had higher pitched riffs, almost classic heavy metal/Iron Maiden style riffage at times.

The songs themselves are very good. Well, I enjoy listening to the the album, but I'm not instantly in love like I was on my first listen of Orchid and Morningrise. The first 2 tracks are my favorite, especially April Ethereal. Opeth has a knack for writing really good openers. I like Credence a lot too. I REALLY like Mikael's voice. Karma is really good too. Epilogue is really good too, love the ending guitar.

Okay, maybe I rank this album up there with the first 2. Thinking about it, I do like every song quite a bit. But really only April Ethereal (and maybe When) can compare with the songs I truly adore like In Mist She Was Standing/Forest of October/Twilight is my Robe/Advent/Night and the Silent Water/Nectar/Black Rose Immortal/To Bid You Farewell (Side note: Holy crap, I love Morningrise. I love every song on that album. Every second is just bliss, from open 'till close).

i see what you mean, as i enjoy the style of the first two almost as much as the classic lineup style, and totally agree about Morningrise (save "Nectar," never got into that one). my only real complaint is the fake-ass e-drums, but i deal with it when i listen.

but i really like death metal, about as much as black (which i'd say the first two are closer to), so i dig when the riffs dropped to the low string runs all over MAYH; it also brought more fluidity to Åkerfeldt's arranging, so it's way less piecmeal-sounding. i agree AE and "When" are great, but i'm all about "The Amen Corner," "Demon of the Fall" and "Karma" — just total gems, and TAC/"Karma" are completely underrated in the catalogue.

I like how the tracks segue in together seamlessly. My first time around I was on track 3 before I realized I wasn't still on the opener.

i like that they did this (and ending with the next song's title), but not HOW they did it — crossfading two pieces of music that are not tempo-matched just sounds horrible, like the transition from AE to "When." the one into "Madrigal" is fine but the drum beat immediately fading in at the end of "Demon of the Fall" really annoys me. too much influence from The Wall, i guess! (not that TW has the mismatched tempo problem, though.)

however, the fact that Still Life is also a concept record and goes out of its way not to transition probably annoys me more, especially the very obvious "Serenity Painted Death"/"White Cluster" smush that could have been really epic!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on February 17, 2015, 07:10:38 PM
I started listening to Still Life last week and whereas My Arms took many listens to get into, I liked Still Life right off the bat. Seems less "heavy" than My Arms, and the production seems easier on my ears. The Moor, Benighted and especially Face of Melinda are all great songs. I love the ending of White Cluster. However, despite getting into it very easily, I think my enjoyment of the album stopped "growing" after only a few listens. I don't love the heavy parts of Godhead's Lament (although the melodic parts are phenomenal). As well, Moonlapse Vertigo and Serenity Painted Death don't stand out to me.

It's so strange how it took me comparatively ages to get into My Arms while I liked Still Life on the first listen, but it's occurred to me just how great My Arms, Your Hearse is. Someone here mentioned how it's just a consistently great album, and that's 100% the truth. Still Life has a few melodies that just don't click with me, while the previous album is consistently great throughout, every riff and every section provides something. My Arms was a struggle to really get into, but it's very rewarding. Definitely a grower. April Ethereal, Karma, Demon of the Fall, Credence, every song is amazing and they just get more enjoyable as I keep listening, unlike the songs on Still Life. When...

Dear lord, When. I think When is probably my favorite Opeth song. The melodic riff that comes at 1:27.. "to find my way back home" gives me chills.. The part at 3:33.. "demise" "and I cried" gives me chills every time too.. "when can I take you from this place" AMAZING.

Still Life is still a great album but the highs of that album  don't come close to the highs of the previous album. As well, My Arms is more consistent. Here's how I think I would rank the albums thus far:

1. Morningrise
2. My Arms, Your Hearse
3. Orchid
4. Still Life

Here's how I would rank my favorite songs so far:

1. When
2. Advent
3. Black Rose Immortal
4. In Mist She Was Standing
5. Credence
6. The Night and the Silent Water
7. April Ethereal
8. The Twilight is My Robe
9. Karma
10. Nectar
11. Face of Melinda
12. Benighted
13. The Moor
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bl5150 on March 05, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Aside from Frederik's involvement (one of my favourite guitarists) I have no great interest in Opeth but just thought I'd note here for Australian fans that an Aussie tour has been announced.

Where?
Eaton's Hill
646 S Pine Rd, Brendale, QLD

Forum Melbourne
Corner Russell & Flinders Streets, Melbourne, VIC

The Gov
59 Port Rd, Hindmarsh, SA         
 
When?
QLD - Wednesday 6 May, 2015
VIC - Thursday 7 May, 2015
SA - Monday 4 May, 2015


It's very unusual for a band to include Queensland and South Australia at the expense of Sydney , so fans in those states should get cracking.  Tickets on sale this Sunday via Ticketmaster.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Bolsters on March 05, 2015, 07:08:02 PM
That is odd. Usually bands don't come here so often because of the expense and the lower attendance, but these guys are going to SA of all places and foregoing visiting our largest state/city - and their best chance of making back a lot of what it costs them to come here.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on March 05, 2015, 09:58:57 PM
Sunday 3rd May, Enmore Theatre Sydney.
https://www.metropolistouring.com/tour.php?tour=2015_opeth
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on March 06, 2015, 06:12:32 AM
Wow, Mikael must've been listening to this when he wrote Voice of Treason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBr7dPOrhsI#t=2m29s I wonder if it's an intentional tribute like the Camel arpeggio in Benighted...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bl5150 on March 06, 2015, 06:20:41 AM
Sunday 3rd May, Enmore Theatre Sydney.
https://www.metropolistouring.com/tour.php?tour=2015_opeth

.........and a Perth gig.   Seems Ticketmaster are only handling certain ones.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on April 22, 2015, 10:14:22 AM
"It's official! The 25th Anniversary Tour will kick off in Opeth's home town of Stockholm, Sweden this October 4th."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
Aside from Frederik's involvement (one of my favourite guitarists) I have no great interest in Opeth but just thought I'd note here for Australian fans that an Aussie tour has been announced.

Where?
Eaton's Hill
646 S Pine Rd, Brendale, QLD
Ticketmaster.

This seems to be a popular venue lately, but I have never been there.  I think it's basically just a big sports club.  I have driven past it and it's not in a great location either, in a more remote area north of Brisbane.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on April 23, 2015, 04:36:41 AM
I'm keen to see them play in Sydney.
Does anyone know if the set list will be all prog rock or a mixture with some of the older heavy growling stuff?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on April 23, 2015, 04:48:48 AM
I'd say 1/3 of the set would be PC/Heritage songs and the other 2/3 would be older songs, spread across their albums. So plenty of both sides. (Since I would imagine something from Damnation is played)

But yeah, plenty of growl stuff. :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on April 29, 2015, 01:31:43 PM
If you American fans haven't heard yet, they're playing 2 US shows as part of the 25th Anniversary Tour, one in NYC and the other in LA. Bought my tickets for the NYC show via presale and I'm so pumped that they're playing Ghost Reveries in full (one of my top 3 favorite Opeth albums).  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on April 29, 2015, 01:50:50 PM
I read in a MA interview with Aussie media, that they will be playing songs from every album except Orchid.
 :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on April 29, 2015, 02:01:34 PM
No Orchid? As in for the 25th Anniversary Tour? That's a bummer...I would've killed to hear a song from that album. Oh well, we can't have 'em all can we?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 29, 2015, 05:20:02 PM
It's funny how the same guy can think Heritage/PC are deserving of representation during their 25th anniversary tour but Orchid isn't.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on April 29, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
Yeah, right? Like Ghost Reveries is celebrating 10 years...but Orchid is celebrating 20 years which is an even bigger milestone. If they weren't playing GR in full, it could've well been Orchid that's getting the nod.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: XB0BX on April 29, 2015, 07:26:25 PM
I'm up to Ghost Reveries now and I have to say it's probably my least favorite album so far. None of the songs are that catchy to me. Ghost of Perdition is probably the most memorable song for me but it's not "classic" Opeth by any sense. It's merely listenable. Opeth albums are growers for me though, so I'll see how the album grows over time.

Here's how I would rank (and rate) the albums:

1. My Arms - 11/10, Every song is amazing, the highs of this album are SO high. When, April Ethereal, Karma, Credence and Amen are classics.
2. Morningsrise - 11/10, Every song is amazing but there are simply only 5 of them. Advent, Night & Silent Water and Black Rose are orgasmic.
3. Deliverance - 10/10 I was biased against it going into this album. I expected a heavy-only Opeth album to be awful. Not only did it have a good balance of heavy and soft moments, but when it was heavy it was heavy Opeth AT THEIR BEST. Wreath for my money is the heaviest Opeth song and still manages to be ridiculously catchy and memorable. Wreath, Deliverance and Master's Apprentices are classic songs. I don't really consider Opeth a death metal band, which is why I can say that this possibly is my favorite death metal album ever (sorry Chuck!). A Fair Judgement is amazing too.
4. Blackwater Park - 10/10 Every song is amazing but no song hits the heights of the top 3 albums. Harvest and Drapery are the only songs that I would consider exceptional but every song is VERY, VERY GOOD. Unbelievably consistent. Every second of the album is great.
5. Damnation - 9/10 Windowpane is brilliant. In My Time of Need has a 70s vibe that I adore. Very Steven Wilsony. Mellotron makes any song better. Very King Crimsony. On that note, it's a damn shame SW isn't working on Opeth albums nowadays.
6. Still Life - 9/10 I wasn't in love with this album a few weeks ago but it's grown on me. I'll still maintain that only Melinda, The Moor and Benighted are consistent throughout and all the others have brilliant soaring choruses and less brilliant heavy verses. I don't know why but the riffs on this album have always struck me as far less than the inspired choruses, which are some of Opeth's best. Godhead and White Cluster's choruses are a highlight and Face of Melinda is the best song on the album.
7. Orchid - 8/10 Probably has fallen in favor over time. The best songs on the album are very great, but the lesser songs aren't as special. The band clearly hadn't yet figured it out. In The Mist is still a great song that I love.

Very rough ranking of the songs:

1. Advent
2. When
3. April Ethereal
4. Black Rose Immortal
5. Wreath
6. Night and the Silent Water
7. Master's Apprentices
8. Karma
9. Windowpane
10. In the Mist She Was Standing
11. Face of Melinda
12. Amen Corner
13. In My Time of Need
14. Deliverance
15. The Drapery Falls
16. Credence
17. The Twilight is my Robe
18. Godhead's Lament
19. Harvest
20. Benighted

I can safely say that Opeth is in my top echelon of bands, I'll see if they have the staying power to enter my top 5 all-time. Their best albums are up there with any band I've ever heard. Man, I love Opeth far more than I thought I ever would before I started listening. The run from Morningrise to Damnation was perfection, I don't think they had a single mediocre riff or idea in that entire run. I hope the run of amazing albums doesn't end with Ghost of Reveries, but so far I'm not liking it. Someone please tell me I'm wrong!

Opeth is an amazing band. Mikael Akerfeldt isn't half bad at writing songs.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2015, 02:59:48 PM
Ticket. Bought. W00t!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2015, 06:36:02 AM
 :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on May 01, 2015, 06:43:54 AM
I'm up to Ghost Reveries now and I have to say it's probably my least favorite album so far. None of the songs are that catchy to me. Ghost of Perdition is probably the most memorable song for me but it's not "classic" Opeth by any sense. It's merely listenable. Opeth albums are growers for me though, so I'll see how the album grows over time.

I thought this at the start too when GR came out.  Now, it's easily my fav Opeth record, give it time and you will be rewarded.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on May 01, 2015, 08:27:40 AM
No Orchid? As in for the 25th Anniversary Tour? That's a bummer...I would've killed to hear a song from that album. Oh well, we can't have 'em all can we?
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Aussie tour... I bet the anniversary setlist will once again include one song from each album besides the one getting played in full (in this case GR). Since we have official live versions of UTWM and Forest of October already, I hope they'll bust out IMSWS (assuming there'll be a DVD)! :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2015, 09:19:03 AM
If it's a special anniversary gig, I think skipping the debut album is a big mistake. Imagine them busting out a song like In Mist She Was Standing (IMO one of their finest), that would be so much more special than skipping an Orchid song to play something from Heritage or PC.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: me7 on May 01, 2015, 12:05:48 PM
This is the first time I've seen someone on this forum call "In Mist she was standing" one of Opeth's finest songs.
I couldn't agree more :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 01, 2015, 08:00:52 PM
Or they could finally play The Twilight is my Robe Live or The Apostle in Triumph. I think if the album started with TTIMR it'd be every bit as well liked as IMSWS. I just think there are lots of Opeth fans whom discovered them after MAYH and get easily daunted by the erratic nature of the first two albums' song structures so by the time they get to track 5 they're like "Dude, I'm done."

Also, Apostle's long repetitive creepy section with all the drum vamping toward the end perfectly embodies the vibe they aimed for on Heritage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcszcmmSPWQ#t=444s
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on May 02, 2015, 03:30:07 AM
I've had a look at the set list and yes one song from every album except the debut.
Pretty happy, looking forward to tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on May 02, 2015, 04:48:56 AM
Or they could finally play The Twilight is my Robe Live or The Apostle in Triumph. I think if the album started with TTIMR it'd be every bit as well liked as IMSWS. I just think there are lots of Opeth fans whom discovered them after MAYH and get easily daunted by the erratic nature of the first two albums' song structures so by the time they get to track 5 they're like "Dude, I'm done."

Also, Apostle's long repetitive creepy section with all the drum vamping toward the end perfectly embodies the vibe they aimed for on Heritage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcszcmmSPWQ#t=444s

The Twilight is my Robe is awesome, I love it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: jimbosile on May 03, 2015, 01:54:54 AM
Seeing them in about 2.5 hours. Keen
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on June 25, 2015, 07:54:28 PM
I found Lamentations at my local music store for $6 yesterday. I have not watched it yet, though I have heard that it is the band's best DVD. How do the other two compare to it?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 25, 2015, 08:25:40 PM
It's awesome, being that the first set is all of Damnation.

I prefer The Roundhouse Tapes.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on June 25, 2015, 09:51:47 PM
I guess it depends on taste. I enjoy all of their DVDs to varying degrees, but my go to live DVD would be The Roundhouse Tapes.

Weirdly enough, I love the performance of Windowpane on The Roundhouse Tapes more than the one on Lamentations (and it's the one where they played Damnation in full!). I dunno, I feel like Mikael's vocals was a lot more stronger on that performance I guess. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on June 26, 2015, 01:11:20 AM
I'm not much for Damnation, so I'd say The Roundhouse Tapes is their best live album, but I would put Lamentations as nr.2 because that second half just kills it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on June 26, 2015, 07:55:09 AM
Roundhouse Tapes is my favorite DVD, because it includes a wider selection of songs and Mikael is clearly much more comfortable in his role as the frontman.

Speaking of DVDs, I wonder if they'll record the Plovdiv show in September (https://bravewords.com/news/opeth-to-perform-with-plovdiv-philharmonic-orchestra-at-bulgarias-sounds-of-the-ages-event-in-september). Anathema filmed Universal at the same place, and the upcoming Paradise Lost DVD was shot there as well. Additionally, Opeth has the same management as Anathema and PL, so I could see this happening. Hopefully they'll play the songs with strings from Pale Communion!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on June 26, 2015, 07:59:45 AM
I actually have the chance to make a trip to that gig, but I'm still kinda on the fence with it. There's plenty of stuff in my life I need to sort out until then, so when the time is right for me to make the decision, I hope it won't be too late to grab tickets.  ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 30, 2015, 04:32:28 AM
Personally, I love Lamentations. I've yet to see the Roundhouse tapes dvd. Got it on cd, though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on July 17, 2015, 07:00:16 AM
Yay, Opeth just posted another "mystery" pic of a city where they're going to play and it's Helsinki! :2metal: Can't wait to hear Ghost Reveries in full live! :caffeine:

In other news, Lopez plays percussion on the upcoming Amorphis album, and the first single was released today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ql4Xe6MxQ4 I've also been reading the official Amorphis biography over the past few days, and the band members recall that when they were touring with Opeth back in 2001, Lopez looked very skinny and unhealthy and had a heroin problem, but those factors didn't affect his playing. They also said that Mikael would always play an acoustic guitar or a Porcupine Tree CD on the tour bus. :D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on July 17, 2015, 09:07:52 AM
I listened to Pale Communion for the first time since December, and it is actually a very good album. With some changes to the production, many sections have the potential to be as heavy as something on Ghost Reveries or an earlier album. Even with the present production, some parts are already really heavy. I prefer every album in the MAYH->Watershed run (all seven albums in this period are near perfection), but it is a huge step ahead of Heritage and the first two albums. I hope that Mikael reintroduces both growls and a metallic sound on the next album, but I would not mind if he continues in this direction.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cable on July 18, 2015, 05:23:39 AM
I listened to Pale Communion for the first time since December, and it is actually a very good album. With some changes to the production, many sections have the potential to be as heavy as something on Ghost Reveries or an earlier album. Even with the present production, some parts are already really heavy. I prefer every album in the MAYH->Watershed run (all seven albums in this period are near perfection), but it is a huge step ahead of Heritage and the first two albums. I hope that Mikael reintroduces both growls and a metallic sound on the next album, but I would not mind if he continues in this direction.

Agreed on most of these points. Unfortunately the last I read on Ultimate-Guitar, Mike pretty much said don't expect growled vocals I think.

Pale Communion was so much better than Heritage and Damnation *ducks*. Sorry, I think Damnation by itself could be their weakest album. If we count it as a double album with Deliverance, than one of their best! But yup, PC has heavy parts, but that older style production holds them back, much like Heritage. Something like Devil's Orchard on Heritage probably would have been heavy as heck if they were not using Strats, older styled amps and 70's production.

The problem Mike has ran into in this affinity for sounding old IMO. Older sounding production, and even riffs from back then maybe. I think about things like Face of Melinda and TBYF's (although terrible guitar tone) heavy parts. Probably as heavy as riffs under some growled parts. Those truly heavy, dissonant riffs are almost completely gone. I have accepted Mike changing the band- at times Heritage has some listenable tunes when they shuffle on to me. And ditching his growled vocals. What I cannot fully accept is the gutting of atonal riffs. That is really what drew me into Opeth more than anything else. I never heard someone chug on such odd riffs for such long durations. Yet with the last two albums, Mike doesn't seem to like playing even those riffs anymore. Devil's Orchard is the only track I can think of that at least had some odd chords, but I could be wrong. Even if I am, it's not very prevalent as it used to be. As a result, the dynamics of the songs lack.

For the poll, wow, voted the top three albums!  :-\ I thought about doing PC over GR for a moment though. Orchid and Morningrise are where they belong, the bottom. Meh sounding albums, with those tasteless black metal vocals and great bass playing.  Where are the 1st two albums fanbois? :P  ;)  Each time one of the tracks come on, they very VERY VERY slowly grow a bit with me. Still cannot get into black metal vocals though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cable on July 28, 2015, 11:07:19 PM
No surprise here, Mik on the financial pie of the band;

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mikael_akerfeldt_explains_how_money_is_shared_in_opeth.html
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Crow on July 28, 2015, 11:23:46 PM
i don't think Damnation is comparable to the two most recent, but PC > Heritage for sure

i actually relistened to PC recently-ish and liked it a lot more than when I first got the album, whereas Heritage has only gotten more tedious over time so
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on July 28, 2015, 11:44:43 PM
Interesting! I think PC has absolutely grown over time for me, but so has Heritage in an almost polar opposite way; I compare Heritage (and so does Akerfeldt and Wilson) to Storm Corrosion, which is one of my favorite album of all the timelines, so it makes sense I love Heritage too. But I really think PC has grown more in terms of my initial reaction compared to now. I really do like the direction they're going in but only because the void of the growls has been filled with my new love Periphery and the new BTBAM album; if I didn't have them I'd probably be dying for some really doom metal shit, which I usually abhor.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on July 29, 2015, 08:58:44 PM
No surprise here, Mik on the financial pie of the band;

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mikael_akerfeldt_explains_how_money_is_shared_in_opeth.html

I totally get his point of view, but since they can never catch up to him in seniority as long as he is a member of the band, Akerfeldt will always get the lion's share of the profits, meaning if you are one of the other members, the chance of a raise is probably slim to none, unless you start writing songs, and I suspect that getting your ideas through and on to the album is probably not easy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 31, 2015, 10:28:39 AM
Not sure that any other member SHOULD match him.

They might get a bigger piece than they are getting now, but he should always get the biggest piece.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 31, 2015, 10:36:17 AM
Watching the Wacken live stream, liking their set, atm.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 31, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
I wasn't able to catch stream of the show, came to last minute of interview. Did Mikael talk about people who dislike their new direction again? Move on, man, screw 'em :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 31, 2015, 01:10:09 PM
I saw a brief glimpse of that (in between me having buffering issues of the stream).  The tone sounds like that was the topic they were discussing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on August 01, 2015, 03:59:43 AM
Full Wacken show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r98lZBBGJcc
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on August 01, 2015, 06:31:05 AM
Looks pretty cool, although the crowd is pretty lame.  Definitely different to see Opeth playing a show outside in the daylight.  With Akerfeldt wearing shades. :metal :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 01, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
Full Wacken show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r98lZBBGJcc

Already pulled. Fuck.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on August 03, 2015, 07:56:24 AM
I finally gave Heritage a proper listen, and I can safely say that it is Opeth's worst album. If the only song that stood out was the 2 minute piano intro, then you done fucked up.

Album Rankings:

1. My Arms, Your Hearse
2. Watershed
3. Damnation
4. Ghost Reveries
5. Still Life (would be an easy #1 if the entire album was as good as The Moor and Godhead's Lament)
6. Blackwater Park
7. Deliverance
8. Pale Communion
9. Morningrise
10. Orchid
11. Heritage
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on August 07, 2015, 11:15:49 AM
The last three songs (Heir Apparent, TGC, Deliverance) of the Wacken set can now be viewed at https://concert.arte.tv/de/opeth-wacken-2015 I can't believe they picked just death metal songs - that's the part of the show where Mikael sounded the worst. :facepalm:

The anniversary show in Helsinki is close to being sold out - I'm glad I got my ticket already! :metal I also pre-ordered the biography. The shipping costs are damn expensive, but I hope the book will be worth my money.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 07, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
That mix is pretty bad though. Wow. I can barely hear the vocals.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 07, 2015, 09:32:06 PM
When I saw 'em in 2013 I'm nearly convinced they intentionally buried his growls in the mix since they were lower than any of the other instruments yet his cleans were higher (and by a good margin) than anything else. It's seeming as though Mike's explanation about the ear monitors throwing off his growls is just a coverup.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on August 10, 2015, 11:41:17 AM
You can hear him better on the last two songs, because he growls so far from the mic on Heir Apparent. Maybe he knows his grunts don't sound too good and it's some kind of self-censorship? :P

Anyway, according to the latest FB update the band will play Eternal Rains Will Come, The Drapery Falls, Demon of the Fall and The Grand Conjuration with the orchestra in Plovdiv. I really hope they'll take advantage of the opportunity to play Voice of Treason and Faith in Others - the announcement said "tracks played with orchestra (among others)".
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 10, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
I finally gave Heritage a proper listen, and I can safely say that it is Opeth's worst album. If the only song that stood out was the 2 minute piano intro, then you done fucked up.

I agree: it's worse than Orchid for me as well. However, my highlight is "I Feel the Dark," which is awesome. Some other songs are pretty decent too ("Folklore") but IFTD is the only song I'd call great.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on August 10, 2015, 01:28:40 PM
You can hear him better on the last two songs, because he growls so far from the mic on Heir Apparent. Maybe he knows his grunts don't sound too good and it's some kind of self-censorship? :P

Anyway, according to the latest FB update the band will play Eternal Rains Will Come, The Drapery Falls, Demon of the Fall and The Grand Conjuration with the orchestra in Plovdiv. I really hope they'll take advantage of the opportunity to play Voice of Treason and Faith in Others - the announcement said "tracks played with orchestra (among others)".
That would be amazing. Faith in Others especially, that song is fantastic.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on August 10, 2015, 03:28:46 PM
It'd be ashamed if they didn't play Faith In Others at the Plovdiv gig. Given that it has strings, it'd be a perfect opportunity for it to be played IMO.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 01, 2015, 06:00:55 PM
Opeth - Wacken Open Air 2015 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPeMv7iP92U)

Great sound and pretty good setlist.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on September 04, 2015, 08:28:48 AM
not sure how long it has been like this, but has anyone seen the "new" Pale Communion album cover on last.fm?  Apparently it has been renamed Male Communion.

(https://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/300x300/c6b97eae87b004e9920772e8705f77b8.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 04, 2015, 08:32:33 AM
That's hilarious.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Bolsters on September 04, 2015, 08:42:43 AM
not sure how long it has been like this, but has anyone seen the "new" Pale Communion album cover on last.fm?  Apparently it has been renamed Male Communion.

(https://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/300x300/c6b97eae87b004e9920772e8705f77b8.jpg)
:lol

I'd be interested to know how they did that, I haven't been able to find a way to upload album art since the travesty of the new design was launched.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Bolsters on September 04, 2015, 08:43:13 AM
Double post fail. :(
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 04, 2015, 12:24:17 PM
Holy shit :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on September 04, 2015, 12:49:18 PM
 :clap:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 11, 2015, 05:20:25 AM
https://www.omerch.eu/shop/opeth/proddetail.php?prod=omerch_Opeth_ddCD (https://www.omerch.eu/shop/opeth/proddetail.php?prod=omerch_Opeth_ddCD)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on September 11, 2015, 06:01:02 AM
A new mix by Steven Wilson? Wow, that sounds good!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on September 11, 2015, 08:18:25 AM
Deliverance in 5.1!?  Oh yeah!!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2015, 08:24:56 AM
That will be a nice package.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 12, 2015, 06:40:02 AM
I have no need for the 5.1 mixes, but the package looks really cool and I don't own Deliverance on CD yet. I'll listen to the new stereo mixes when they come out and buy this if they sound good.

EDIT: Whoever wrote the product description and the tracklist for Damnation hasn't been awake during their math classes :lol
Quote
Originally intended to be a double album, Opeth released Deliverance and Damnation 5 months apart in 2002 and 2003. Over 15 years later Music For Nations are righting this wrong.
Quote
4. Closure
4. Hope Leaves
6. To Rid The Disease
9. Ending Credits
8. Weakness
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: SeventhDegree on September 12, 2015, 07:33:18 AM
'Damnation' is a great album to listen to while driving through the desert.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 12, 2015, 09:47:32 AM
Hmm...I wonder if they'll have copies of these at the 25th anniversary shows. I'll probably get the Deliverance and Damnation set on vinyl first before getting the CD/5.1 set as I don't have either of the two on vinyl yet.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 13, 2015, 04:49:20 AM
Bruce Soord posted a funny tweet regarding the Deliverance remix :metalol:

https://twitter.com/bsoord/status/642377256397090816
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2015, 06:32:10 AM
Hmmm...I have no use for 5.1, so probably won't bother with this.  Great for new fans though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 20, 2015, 06:38:49 AM
That was just an unbelievable show last night in Plovdiv. I wish I weren't to lazy to write a review. Maybe later. I've never seen anything so epic before...

Set list:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2015/ancient-theater-plovdiv-bulgaria-2bf48c92.html
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on September 20, 2015, 10:28:10 AM
WE NEED A DVD FOR THAT!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 20, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
Absolutely. That's a great setlist with some variety of old, new, harsh and mellow.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 20, 2015, 11:23:34 AM
The very unfortunate part was that it wasn't being filmed. I thought they would never miss an opportunity to record something like that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: RandalGraves on September 20, 2015, 11:28:25 AM
I'm actually not a huge fan of Steven Wilson's mixes of Opeth albums, but I'm down for revisiting Deliverance. Damnation has always been such a bore for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 20, 2015, 01:41:18 PM
The very unfortunate part was that it wasn't being filmed.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: abydos on September 20, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
There are some super low quality videos on YT, this one I think is the best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68uk05MjLP8
Same, no video but better audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezC2B7tR7gM

I had to work that night and couldn't attend.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on September 20, 2015, 10:04:16 PM
That's disappointing, but I have hope that one day (and think it's pretty much inevitable) that they'll record a massive, awesome show that combines the best of their catalog, both old, new, mellow, harsh and roror alike. It's gotta happen one day.

That said...I'm ready to hear some new stuff from the guys! I just recently got back into them after taking a pretty long break from not listening to anything at all, either new or old. Then I heard two songs back to back on different radio stations (another thing I never, ever do), and it baffled me so much that I had to go back and rekindle the fire. CONSIDER IT AFLAME!!!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 21, 2015, 06:23:40 PM
The very unfortunate part was that it wasn't being filmed.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
D'you think they'll film the proper 25th anniversary shows instead?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 22, 2015, 06:40:51 AM
The very unfortunate part was that it wasn't being filmed.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
D'you think they'll film the proper 25th anniversary shows instead?
Dunno, they'd probably have announced it by now. Hell, they didn't even film any of the unplugged gigs in 2012! Maybe live video sales suck nowadays because of Youtube or SW has brainwashed Mikael to think live DVDs are boring. :-[
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: abydos on September 22, 2015, 06:50:14 AM
SW thinks that? Maybe he got bored of making one every year and now shits on that. Next album will have a video of him smashing live dvds with a hammer :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 22, 2015, 07:11:00 AM
The very unfortunate part was that it wasn't being filmed.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
D'you think they'll film the proper 25th anniversary shows instead?
Dunno, they'd probably have announced it by now. Hell, they didn't even film any of the unplugged gigs in 2012! Maybe live video sales suck nowadays because of Youtube or SW has brainwashed Mikael to think live DVDs are boring. :-[
Did they even announce that the Royal Albert Hall show in 2010 was being filmed for a DVD beforehand? If they do film for a DVD this tour then perhaps Mikael wants to be tight-lipped about it?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 22, 2015, 08:18:32 AM
That was just an unbelievable show last night in Plovdiv. I wish I weren't to lazy to write a review. Maybe later. I've never seen anything so epic before...

Set list:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2015/ancient-theater-plovdiv-bulgaria-2bf48c92.html
Holy shit
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 22, 2015, 11:12:22 AM
That was just an unbelievable show last night in Plovdiv. I wish I weren't to lazy to write a review. Maybe later. I've never seen anything so epic before...

Set list:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2015/ancient-theater-plovdiv-bulgaria-2bf48c92.html

Maannnn.....I can't believe they played Godhead's Lament. I wanna see that one sooo bad.

Also why no Moon Above, Sun Below? This would've been the perfect show to debut it!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on September 22, 2015, 11:20:06 AM
For that matter, I'd loved to have seen Faith In Others.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 22, 2015, 11:55:51 AM
Also why no Moon Above, Sun Below? This would've been the perfect show to debut it!
Yeah, I wish they switched Voice of treason with this one, but oh well.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 23, 2015, 11:45:39 AM
I think Voice of Treason was perfect for the show because it's got strings on the album. Faith in Others would've been cool too, but they've probably put most of their energy into rehearsing the GR stuff for the anniversary shows. It's a pity they've played so little of Pale Communion live, but hopefully VOT wasn't just a one-off performance and will be in the anniversary set as well.

Speaking of that, I looked at the schedule for the Helsinki show and it looks like the second set will be 2 hours long, which means that the show will be about 3 h 10 min overall, with a 30-minute intermission between the sets. (That sounds like a long break, but this is a death metal show we're talking about. :P) If they play one song from each album besides GR in those 2 hours, I wonder if they'll manage to squeeze in Black Rose Immortal...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 18, 2015, 03:42:08 AM
My report of the 15th 25th anniversary concert in Helsinki: https://www.musicalypse.net/reports/opeth-25th-anniversary-helsinki-2015-eng.php
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on October 18, 2015, 10:02:16 AM
Sounds like you didn't enjoy the show very much.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 18, 2015, 11:22:05 AM
Let me put it this way: it was a good and enjoyable show, but not a great anniversary show. :P The Ghost Reveries set was awesome, but the complete lack of 90s made the second set underwhelming, especially in comparison with the 20th anniversary setlist, which represented each era of the band's history. Maybe they wanted to mix things up this time, but a non-chronological order would've been enough to make it different IMO. If the theme of the tour had been solely the 10th anniversary of GR, I wouldn't have had any special expectations for the second set.

BTW, Mikael mentioned that after this tour they'll start working on their next album, so it's possible that we may have new Opeth material to listen to by the end of 2016.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on October 18, 2015, 02:07:49 PM
Maybe MA voice isn't up to extra long sets?
Specially when he is doing a lot of growling, perhaps it takes it's toll?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 18, 2015, 03:11:56 PM
Them not playing any 90s stuff is definitely a bit weird in an anniversary set. Still, ALL of Ghost Reveries. I'd love that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 18, 2015, 05:57:23 PM
Sucks that they're not doing this tour in the US, except for 2 shows. I'd KILL to see this show, it's my fav album from them. I got no problem with the 2nd set.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: countoftuscany42 on October 18, 2015, 10:41:23 PM
seeing the New York show this week and I'm psyched  :metal
only my second time seeing Opeth, and GR is one of my favorite Opeth albums so color me excited  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 19, 2015, 06:35:50 PM
It'll be my third time seeing Opeth on Thursday, incidentally the third year in a row where I've seen Opeth live in some capacity. As much as the 2nd set leaves me wanting a bit more older songs in the set, I don't mind really since Ghost Reveries is being played in full and its in my top 3 favorite Opeth albums!  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on October 20, 2015, 04:48:21 AM
I'm so jealous you guys got Master's apprentices, I would have loved to have heard that one. I feel the dark is also one hell of a surprise indeed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on October 20, 2015, 05:25:54 PM
Saw Opeth last week in Holland. Again, really freakin' great, although I wouldn't say it was better than the previous gig in Holland.

Second set > Ghost Reveries set. Knowing what's coming is less exciting I think, although the extended jam in Atonement was amazing!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on October 21, 2015, 10:07:14 AM
Will be there too! Excited.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on October 23, 2015, 09:13:14 AM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/20151022_220610_zpslhotiqot.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/rumborak/media/20151022_220610_zpslhotiqot.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Rattlehead on October 23, 2015, 06:42:33 PM
I was there too, it was an awesome show  :metal The only bad part of the night was that we arrived late and I missed part of Ghost of Perdition…  :facepalm: Also, I wanted to take a look at the merch and planned on buying a shirt after the show but apparently everything sold out insanely fast  ???
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 23, 2015, 08:14:39 PM
Yeah, when I was able to make my way through the inside of the Beacon, a lot of people were lined up already and I decided to get in line before the show cause I had a hunch that if I waited after the show or during intermission, there wouldn't be shirts in my size (I wear size M tees) left. I went to go get beer during intermission and I was surprised that everything sold out. I consider myself super lucky to get the tee with the American dates on back.

That said though, last night was probably the best Opeth show I've ever seen of the three I've been to and not just because of Ghost Reveries live but the other songs as well. :metal It didn't matter to me if they didn't play any full songs pre-Blackwater Park cause most of the songs I haven't heard live yet until last night. I'm usually somewhat of a laid back guy at shows (at least most of them) apart from moderate headbanging, I really went wild with my headbanging throughout the show (except for the less brutal songs of course) that I feel bad in hindsight if it was distracting and ruined the show to those around me :lol. And of course, it's always great to hear Mikael's "stand-up comedy" (if you can call it that) again.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 24, 2015, 05:26:39 AM
Seems like the band was more relaxed than at the start of the tour - I wish they'd done those song teasers in Helsinki as well...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on October 26, 2015, 02:35:33 PM
The teasers and the jazzified versions of songs were fun.

The hecklers were REALLY annoying though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 26, 2015, 03:18:41 PM
I was definitely not one of the hecklers, but I did scream Black Rose Immortal during the teaser bit in an attempt for Mikael to actually play something from it to no avail! :lol Apparently they actually played a section from it at the London show.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 26, 2015, 03:36:51 PM
I feel like hecklers has become such a big part of Opeth's live shows because Mikael often answers back when people shout stuff. I've only seen them live 3 times, but at every gig, somebody has shouted for Black Rose Immortal. Heck, even at the unplugged gig when they played acoustic songs. On one hand it can be annoying, but it has also resulted in some really hilarious moments. Mikael is very fast to respond and it provides a lot of laughter.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Rattlehead on October 26, 2015, 03:58:58 PM
The teasers and the jazzified versions of songs were fun.

The hecklers were REALLY annoying though.

I completely agree. The idiots screaming during Hours of Wealth were getting on my nerves. It's just blatantly disrespectful to the band and incredibly obnoxious. It is unfortunate but it seems to come with the genre.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on October 26, 2015, 04:13:28 PM
The teasers and the jazzified versions of songs were fun.

The hecklers were REALLY annoying though.

I completely agree. The idiots screaming during Hours of Wealth were getting on my nerves. It's just blatantly disrespectful to the band and incredibly obnoxious. It is unfortunate but it seems to come with the genre.
Only screams I could do during Hours of Wealth are crying screams :'( such a sad and beautiful song.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 26, 2015, 04:49:44 PM
The one thing that irked me more than it should were the people who walked out on Isolation Years...like you may not like that song, but the rarity factor of hearing that song live is more than enough for one to stay an extra 3 minutes before taking a piss or grabbing beer cause there's an 15 minute intermission afterwards anyway.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on October 26, 2015, 04:56:15 PM
The one thing that irked me more than it should were the people who walked out on Isolation Years...like you may not like that song, but the rarity factor of hearing that song live is more than enough for one to stay an extra 3 minutes before taking a piss or grabbing beer cause there's an 15 minute intermission afterwards anyway.
They played Isolation Years? :O
Now I see it's whole Ghost Reveries. I envy you :/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 26, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
yeah, you guys are lucky to hear Isolation Years live.

also, someone should yell "shut the hell up" at the hecklers. I bet that'd be funny.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 26, 2015, 05:37:48 PM
Isolation Years has always been one of my favorite Opeth songs (top10 probably) and I'm kinda bummed I'll never hear it live. Or well who knows, maybe them playing it now opens the door for them to play it on a future tour.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 26, 2015, 08:01:44 PM
Isolation Years has always been one of my favorite Opeth songs (top10 probably) and I'm kinda bummed I'll never hear it live. Or well who knows, maybe them playing it now opens the door for them to play it on a future tour.
I believe they played Beneath The Mire for the first time on this tour (I may be wrong) as well and Atonement was played live for the first time in 2013 so I hope the band'll be more open to playing it live on future tours. It's one of my favorites as well and I wanted to shed tears (came really close to tearing up) when I heard it live.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 27, 2015, 08:41:09 AM
The one thing that irked me more than it should were the people who walked out on Isolation Years...like you may not like that song, but the rarity factor of hearing that song live is more than enough for one to stay an extra 3 minutes before taking a piss or grabbing beer cause there's an 15 minute intermission afterwards anyway.
Same thing in Helsinki, though we had a frigging 30-minute intermission. :\ Luckily Finns are quiet, so there were no hecklers during the mellow songs.

I'd like to think at least Beneath the Mire will find its way to future setlists, because that song kicked ass live. :metal
yeah, you guys are lucky to hear Isolation Years live.

also, someone should yell "shut the hell up" at the hecklers. I bet that'd be funny.
Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MD7t9a5pKg
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on October 30, 2015, 11:10:20 AM
I had a sudden urge to listen to Master's Apprentices, so I started Spotify, and suddenly there's 'Deliverance & Damnation' remixed.

Listening to Wreath now. Now it slays even harder! Great organic mixing by Bruce Soord. Drums sound fantastic!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 30, 2015, 12:17:37 PM
I had a sudden urge to listen to Master's Apprentices, so I started Spotify, and suddenly there's 'Deliverance & Damnation' remixed.

Listening to Wreath now. Now it slays even harder! Great organic mixing by Bruce Soord. Drums sound fantastic!

Must just be Europe. It's not up on Spotify Canada (or Apple Music).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on October 30, 2015, 12:20:21 PM
yeah, I'm pretty sure it is a European release at this point.  I ordered it last night from Burning Shed.  Although, I do see a listing on Amazon with a Dec release that looks like it might be in the US.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 30, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
That sounds amazing indeed. And the Steven Wilson remix of Damnation, holy shit  :hefdaddy I need to get this!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 30, 2015, 12:59:06 PM
Didn't Steven Wilson already mix Damnation originally? Seems weird to get the same guy to remix the album he mixed already.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 30, 2015, 01:53:58 PM
Didn't Steven Wilson already mix Damnation originally? Seems weird to get the same guy to remix the album he mixed already.

Yeah, and the 5.1 mix is from that original mix too. So presumably it won't be vastly different. In fact, I'd suspect he just wanted a chance to 'undo' the incredibly loud mastering that was applied to the original.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on October 30, 2015, 03:35:54 PM
Well, I always thought Damnation sounded pretty decent and a lot better than Deliverance at least. But the new mix on Spotify sounds better than my CD... and that's saying something since I have a very good CD Player which my laptop's sound card doesn't have anything on.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on November 04, 2015, 11:52:10 PM
My D&D box set arrived today from BS.
My excitement and happiness soon turned sour.
The book is SO stiff, it's hard to open the book properly, without potentially damaging it.
Even worse is the discs are squeezed so tight in between the cardboard, that getting them out isn't easy
and putting them back is even tougher.

Haven't played them yet, that is for tomorrow at work.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on November 17, 2015, 07:41:35 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/mikael_akerfeldt_is_working_on_swedish_language_psychedelic_folk_album.html

Well this could be interesting.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on November 17, 2015, 10:56:29 AM
That could be very interesting indeed!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on November 18, 2015, 04:52:11 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/mikael_akerfeldt_is_working_on_swedish_language_psychedelic_folk_album.html

Well this could be interesting.

Basically resurrecting Sörskogen. I dig it. Maybe they'll release "Mordet i Grottan" properly!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on November 28, 2015, 01:48:18 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/mikael_akerfeldt_is_working_on_swedish_language_psychedelic_folk_album.html

Well this could be interesting.
Cool, an Åkerfeldt/Swanö collaboration could be awesome!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: bout to crash on December 08, 2015, 12:21:56 AM
Opeth has a beer! https://www.northernmonkbrewco.com/opeth

In all seriousness, if any of you in Europe can get your hands on an extra bottle or two, I will pay you to send it to me. They can't distribute it to the states currently  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ori.elias5 on December 30, 2015, 11:18:15 AM
Have anyone read the new book? how is it?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on December 31, 2015, 11:09:25 AM
Have anyone read the new book? how is it?

It's going to be released in Feb 2016 according to the website.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on January 04, 2016, 11:09:28 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on the Deliverance/Damnation re-releases/remixes?

Gotta be blunt...at the very best, I'm pretty indifferent to this. I thought it'd be the exact opposite, and even though I expected nothing and in all actuality had no idea what to expect or had any idea of what would be different...I'm just not into the new sound of some of the tracks and with others, while knowing and able to pick out discernible differences, didn't find it to be an actual plus and more of just a neutral change. Though some I found to be worse in a lot of ways with glaring particulars to Master's Apprentices, Wreath, In My Time Of Need, To Rid The Disease and Weakness. On the other side, I actually really love how Deliverance (track), By the Pain I See In Others, Death Whispered A Lullaby and Hope Leaves turned out, but that's a half dislike/like ratio with the others being pretty much the same in regards to me liking it. Obviously a good bit has changed in the levels to all of them and what pops and what was lowered but I didn't find the rest to do any favors to the songs with slight exception to the vocals. I thought the vocals were a bit muddled on a lot of the tracks and in this release all of them sound great and much more prominent without overtaking the instruments. But god fucking damn it, shit like the cymbals in Master's Apprentices made me want to turn the track off for a handful of seconds. Just random stuff that to my ears sounded either a bit too loud or just an odd choice in bringing it to the forefront (the bass in some tracks is weirdly loud).

All in all, I don't know if I like this better than the originals in the overall. Some tracks I definitely prefer, while others I vastly prefer the original, and three or four that I could interchange without caring which one I'd be listening to at the time. Cool for those anal audiophiles that get stiff cochleas over this stuff but otherwise...it's pretty much a take it or leave it thing for me. 'Cool', but also kind of 'eh'. I will say that it's just neat hearing the differences and it's nice to have a different and updated take on it. There's no denying that the majority simply have an updated sound and it's more open in all of them; but within that openness there are certain specifics that I find unpleasing to my ear. I think I'll be spinning it a lot more just to find what's changed but for people like me it's more of a curiosity than anything. I can see me having my 'main' on certain tracks though! Just a few very.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: me7 on January 04, 2016, 12:03:17 PM
I had hoped for no artistic changes, just more dynamics. Instead we got roughly the same amount of compression with lots of artistic changes.
It's an alternative take with similar shortcomings, but no clear improvements.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 04, 2016, 03:38:34 PM
I had hoped for no artistic changes, just more dynamics. Instead we got roughly the same amount of compression with lots of artistic changes.
It's an alternative take with similar shortcomings, but no clear improvements.

Agreed. And also sorta agreed with Tio on my indifference.

By far, Deliverance suffers more than it gains. The completely different drum sound brings it closer to the Damnation approach, but dropping the enormous reverb warms up a record that should be ice cold. It's by far the most brutal Opeth album, nearing the first two in vibe and intent but with lessons learned in arranging. About the only bits that benefitted were the parts that were warm anyway – the quiet, acoustic parts. Otherwise Bruce Soord was wildly out of his element and it shows clear as day. The record starts with the worst mix, too, which doesn't help – "Wreath" sounds nothing mixwise like the rest of the album. And the dynamics, improved though they are, are totally out to lunch in the bad way on BTPISIO. Overall, it's a case of guitars and vocals not sitting well next to the new drums and bass.

Damnation is barely different, but when it's different, I prefer the original mix decisions by far; a lot of the changes are simply the removal of vocal effects, so the vibe is lost, and they sound even more like Camel.

Surround and 24/96 isn't enough to have saved this. I bought the vinyl but haven't heard it yet, so perhaps that is the one place the new mixes may just shine.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on January 04, 2016, 04:23:07 PM
I haven't heard the new mixes but I read an interview where Mikael said that Deliverance, which had been un-listenable for him before was now much better and had given him a whole new appreciation for it. Personally I think Deliverance is one of the very best Opeth albums, together with Still Life and Ghost Reveries it would be my top3, so I don't mind the original mix at all.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: CharlesPL on January 04, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
My 3 fav albums are : Blackwater Park, Deliverance and Ghost Reveries
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on January 04, 2016, 06:24:35 PM
My 3 fav albums are : Blackwater Park, Deliverance and Ghost Reveries
:tup :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on January 04, 2016, 07:25:24 PM
My 3 fav albums are : Blackwater Park, Deliverance and Ghost Reveries
:tup :metal

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on February 27, 2016, 04:31:22 PM
Sad to say the new Deliverance mix still isn't quite "right" on vinyl. I'd hoped the mastering requirements and resulting EQ changes would result in a proper balance, but the opening of "Wreath" and ending of "Deliverance" are still just as poorly inadequate and drowned in cymbals + vocals as the digital version.

Damnation is epic, though I do miss some of the vocal FX that SW stripped out.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on April 09, 2016, 01:42:12 AM
Pre-order 'The Perpetual Journey', the new coffee table style photobook from Opeth, now, alongside exclusive merch.

https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/opeth-the-perpetual-journey
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on April 12, 2016, 07:20:54 AM
Anyone else got the new biography yet?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf19xLfUsAYt46C.jpg:large)

I won't have enough time to read it until I'm done with my BA thesis, but I skimmed through the pages and it looks nice with a lot of photos.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Train of Naught on May 25, 2016, 02:43:25 AM
EU tour announced :metal I'd love to go see them, though tickets are probably quite expensive?
https://opeth.com/news/item/265-new-european-tour-this-november

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Opeth are pleased to announce a new European Tour that will start this November in their home country's capital of Stockholm!

VIP tickets and promoter pre-sale starts tomorrow 10am and general on-sale starts Monday, May 30th. Ticket links will be added to the tour dates section tomorrow morning and keep an eye out for a handful of other dates to be announced soon.

The shows at the SSE Wembley Arena in London and Le Trianon in Paris are already on sale and ticket links can be found here, on Facebook and with the usual local ticketing vendors.

 

Sat 5th, Sweden - Stockholm, Annexet
Sun 6th, Norway - Oslo, Konserthus
Mon 7th, Denmark - Copenhagen, DR Koncerthuset,
Tues 8th, Germany - Hamburg, Docks
Thurs 10th, Austria - Vienna, Arena
Fri 11th, Germany - Stuttgart, LKA Longhorn
Sat 12th, Germany - Munich, Theaterfabrik
Sun13th, Switzerland - Zurich, Volkshaus
Mon 14th, Italy - Milan, Alcatraz
Wed 16th, Germany - Cologne, E-Werk
Fri 18th, Netherlands - Tilburg, 013
Sat 19th, United Kingdom - London, SSE Wembley Arena
Mon 21st, France - Paris, Le Trianon
Wed 23rd, Luxemburg - Luxemburg, Den Atelier
Thur 24th, Germany - Berlin, Astra Kulturhaus
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on May 25, 2016, 02:46:04 AM
I always hope they won't miss my country on next tour but they always do :'(
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on May 25, 2016, 03:28:33 AM
I saw them 3 times in as many years and now they haven't played my city since Heritage. :<
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on May 25, 2016, 07:52:23 AM
I know when Opeth announced the Ale Beer, someone from the Opeth camp (initials JS, per the post on Facebook) said they were scheduled to go into the studio. IIRC, this was around April.

Does this tour means new music? Has the Pale Communion touring cycle ended?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on May 25, 2016, 09:32:48 AM
A new album would be a very pleasant surprise.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on May 26, 2016, 03:35:04 PM
So which thread is it?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2016, 05:29:59 PM
I cranked up Pale Communion in the car today - I hadn't listened to it in a while - and I'd love another album in that style.  Such good stuff.  :hat
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: SwedishGoose on May 27, 2016, 02:27:15 AM
Got tickets for 2016-11-05 in Stockholm...

Will this be the 3rd tour that supports Pale Communion or will there be new music coming out?
Would love some new Opeth but haven't heard anything about that since interviews in 2015 when michael talked about writing/recording in 2016:

https://bravewords.com/news/opeths-mikael-akerfeldt-2016-i-guess-well-focus-a-little-bit-on-new-music-video
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on May 27, 2016, 02:32:18 AM
Pale Communion was August 2014, so I'm expecting a new album next year. This year seems a bit too early, given how long they usually take to write albums these days.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2016, 06:34:33 AM
Should be interesting to see if the next album has any metal on it. I don't expect much or any growls again from them any time soon, but that doesn't mean they still can't throw in some songs with some metal riffage (since they do have metal songs on previous albums with all clean vocals).  It won't bother me if they don't, especially if the songwriting is as good as it was on PC, but it'd be cool to get a new face-melting riff or two. :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 27, 2016, 08:35:09 AM
I'd love to hear more stuff like Pale Communion. 


Might be cool to hear them weave some heaviness into the retro-sounding stuff like what's on PC.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on May 27, 2016, 08:40:39 AM
Personally I'm tired of retro-prog since it's never gonna top those classic Yes/Pink Floyd/Rush/Genesis/Jethro Tull albums anyways, but I liked PC more than Heritage and I'll check out any album they put out either way. Just waiting for this trend to die out already, we've seen several of the big bands head down that path, Opeth, Steven Wilson & Pain of Salvation just to name a few. I feel like Prog needs to move forward and not backwards and partially why the genre has been standing still for a decade or so comes from the fact that many of the big bands (that used to pioneer the genre) have taken a step back rather than forward.

I hope I get to see Opeth soon again though, it's been too long.
Title: I realize they have little to no blast beats to date.
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 27, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
I just want 'em to go back to the blast beats n bacon grease sound.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 27, 2016, 06:30:57 PM
Personally I'm tired of retro-prog since it's never gonna top those classic Yes/Pink Floyd/Rush/Genesis/Jethro Tull albums anyways, but I liked PC more than Heritage and I'll check out any album they put out either way. Just waiting for this trend to die out already, we've seen several of the big bands head down that path, Opeth, Steven Wilson & Pain of Salvation just to name a few. I feel like Prog needs to move forward and not backwards and partially why the genre has been standing still for a decade or so comes from the fact that many of the big bands (that used to pioneer the genre) have taken a step back rather than forward.

I hope I get to see Opeth soon again though, it's been too long.

I am 100% behind every word of your post. We already have Neal Morse, Transatlantic and The Flower Kings. Retro-prog was absolutely done to death before Opeth, SW and POS started beating the corpse. I definitely like PC way more than Heritage but it's still so mired in the past already explored.

I'm not expecting Åkerfeldt to do BWP pt. 2, much as I'd probably like it; just hoping like you that the retro phase is over and they are ready to go somewhere actually unique.
Title: Re: I realize they have little to no blast beats to date.
Post by: Cable on May 27, 2016, 06:56:12 PM
Ok, full disclosure before the insult, I thought Porcupine Tree on the Incident tour had the best live rock band sound ever. Loud, but almost doable without earplugs. No instrument to my recollection owned the sonic spectrum. I no doubt feel that was because of SWs direction. Outside of Delieverance, I would feel that he is very good at mixing. Deadwing is an exception, but that was right in the volume wars initial battles IMO.

Delieverence's kick/bass drum mix was garbage. It literally produced no bass in any listening environment I've been in, which I thought was part of the point of a bass drum. It is all interesting, as I loved the sound of everything on Blackwater. It seems that the Delievernce/Damnation recording period was terrible for the band. My guess is they had to cut corners or something, like the label was like you want to do a double album? Make it for the cost of the last one. And oh yeah, we are going to split apart the album to monetize it more. I have a feeling that had to be the overall environment of that whole album process.


I just want 'em to go back to the blast beats n bacon grease sound.


I'm with you. I'm torn because Heritage is acceptable, and Pale Communion is a decent to good album. I would take both in a second over Damnation, even though I try to keep Deliverance/Damnation as a double album. Which in that case D/D is better than Heritage and PC.

That said, Opeth's shift has been too drastic, yet while still now performing the old stuff live. Something like Trivium's change, or Metallica's even was a more natural shift. My problem with the Opeth shift will always be MK and Co. gutted rocking riffs, heavy dissonance, and used 100% retro production and tones. This is all separate of the death growls. What initially drew me to Opeth was the dissonance and contrasts, while I eventually acquired the taste of death vocals. Opeth could still do all that without death growls, but instead they supercharged the 70s style by itself. The heavy riffs they have now, the small amount of times they appear, are rubbish to me because it sounds like they are using Vox and Fender amps from the early 70s. To me, that still is too drastic of a shift, enough so that it should be a new band, or a solo project. Even as much as I am mostly meh on Orchid and Morningrise, the elements of what would be Opeth's longest style period were still there.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2016, 07:15:27 PM
I think it has become pretty clear that death growls and bone-brushing metal really isn't Akerfeldt's cup of tea anymore, and hasn't been for a while. The last two albums had neither, and even the rare major metal moments on Watershed, their 3rd most recent album, seem almost forced.  The heaviest song on that is Heir Apparent, and that to me kind of sounds like a "I guess we still have to do the occasional song like this" tune.  Don't get me wrong, it's a good song, but while their super heavy stuff used to really stand out, that one did not, and it was on a record without a lot of metal in the first place. I think some need to accept that the Opeth they used to love and adore is gone forever, which is never easy to do, but it is what it is.  It reminds me of 90s Radiohead fans still wanting a return to the guitar rock of the first three albums; it ain't gonna happen.  And neither is Opeth returning to their brand of death metal.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cable on May 27, 2016, 09:02:40 PM
I'm under no delusions that MK has real interest in the heavy music, nor that it will be returned to really. I rather have them stick to 100% Da,He, and PC than do half and half live when it's probably going through the motions for them. Watershed meh overall to me, as Lotus Eater was the only heavy song that didn't sound forced to me. The more mellow tracks were much better than the heavy ones. But part of my point is taking death growls out of the conversation, and double bass too.

The heavily used unpleasant chords, and more modern distortion is gone. Opeth never wrote standard heavy riffs anyway. But the sound to me is grabbing some Strats, and using the middle pickup through a Vox. He never fully did that during the mellow parts of the past music, so it is a more abrupt change. Storm Corrison still sounded comparable to Opeth production wise. So I'm going beyond just the "no more death metal growls, double bass ahh gone!" type view. Something like Harrlequin forest before the growls is what I'm talking about. No growls, no heavy drumming, but still with some rocking parts. Partly why I like Pale Communion is because some of this was brought back. But it was still produced to my ears through vintage methods purposely.

I just wish he would put Opeth on hiatus, like Steven Wilson did with PT. I have no real belief that will be reunited, especially since his solo stuff is not that far off of PT. Just dialed down the heavy, and dialed up progressive. But for Opeth, it's nearly a different band. If MK wasn't singing, I would think it's an entirely different band. Sure, that's progressive in the definition of whatever. But just retire the band, and make a new one with the same people. He basically has shuffled people as much as Megadeth at this point anyway. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2016, 09:14:30 PM
Well, I don't want to get into a big, long discussion about it again, but I don't see any real reason why he should abandon the Opeth name, simply because the current music isn't similar enough to the older stuff. Like has been said in this thread a while back, a lot of the moments still sound very much like classic Opeth - the end of Moon Above, Sun Below with him softly singing over those light piano notes just screams classic Opeth - so it's not like they sound like a completely different band. 

I don't get into the whole instruments, amps, etc. discussion, so I cannot offer much there.

To me, Opeth is almost becoming like Rush, Radiohead or Porcupine Tree, to where the connective stylistic tissue is there across each individual discography, but there are different eras, styles, etc. for each one, making it even more awesome when you stand back and look at their career as a whole.  So many bands never stray far for their core sound, and here we have a band jumping all over the place and doing different styles extremely well, something, I think, they should be applauded for.  But that's me. :biggrin:
Title: Re: I realize they have little to no blast beats to date.
Post by: ? on May 28, 2016, 02:09:27 AM
Ok, full disclosure before the insult, I thought Porcupine Tree on the Incident tour had the best live rock band sound ever. Loud, but almost doable without earplugs. No instrument to my recollection owned the sonic spectrum. I no doubt feel that was because of SWs direction. Outside of Delieverance, I would feel that he is very good at mixing. Deadwing is an exception, but that was right in the volume wars initial battles IMO.

Delieverence's kick/bass drum mix was garbage. It literally produced no bass in any listening environment I've been in, which I thought was part of the point of a bass drum. It is all interesting, as I loved the sound of everything on Blackwater. It seems that the Delievernce/Damnation recording period was terrible for the band. My guess is they had to cut corners or something, like the label was like you want to do a double album? Make it for the cost of the last one. And oh yeah, we are going to split apart the album to monetize it more. I have a feeling that had to be the overall environment of that whole album process.
Deliverance was actually mixed by Andy Sneap, SW was only involved as the producer and only came in for the guitar and vocal recordings anyway (like on BWP). And yeah, the reason the label gave the double album idea green light was that the band agreed to record it with the budget of a single album.

Re: "Mikael should give up the Opeth name", I think he put it well in some interview when he posed a counterquestion like "should David Bowie have changed his name every time he made a new album in a different style?"

At least I think Heritage was a pretty natural step after Watershed and songs like The Lotus Eater already pointed in that direction. Pale Communion also has plenty of old Opeth in it - hell, Elysian Woes includes a recycled bit from For Absent Friends! I can also hear some of the aforementioned dissonance and "evil" chords in songs like Devil's Orchard, Famine and Eternal Rains, though admittedly they're less in-your-face than they were on the metal records that had more distortion on the guitars.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on May 28, 2016, 02:46:37 AM
I don't really mind the idea of Opeth not making metal with growls anymore as I mind the idea of them making 70s sounding prog rock. I think there is a way for them to move forward, sound fresh without being metal, it's more the retro thing that bothers me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on May 28, 2016, 06:19:15 AM
I don't care what it sounds like, what direction they are headed, etc.  PC is awesome, that is all.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on May 28, 2016, 06:35:11 AM
I don't care what it sounds like, what direction they are headed, etc.  PC is awesome, that is all.

Yep, this big time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2016, 07:13:50 AM
I don't care what it sounds like, what direction they are headed, etc.  PC is awesome, that is all.

Agreed. I was in the "it is really good" camp prior, but after given it some spins this week after having not listened to it for a while, I now agree that it is pretty awesome.

And the retro thing is largely overstated. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Luoto on May 28, 2016, 10:19:26 AM
I'm most bothered by the lack of good melodic guitar riffs on their last two albums. That's a huge thing in their earlier stuff, and I wouldn't mind the reduced heaviness if it was still there in bigger quantity.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 28, 2016, 05:55:50 PM
Big time. Their use of melody used to really make me feel. Now it just makes me feel disappointed most of the time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: 425 on June 04, 2016, 01:20:11 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/i_only_joined_opeth_because_they_had_a_cool_logo_-_mikael_kerfeldt_recalls_bands_early_days.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/i_only_joined_opeth_because_they_had_a_cool_logo_-_mikael_kerfeldt_recalls_bands_early_days.html)

This came out a couple of days ago, and I didn't see it posted anywhere. Pretty interesting interview, with the big news being that there's a new record on the way:

Quote from: Mikael
I was working today actually. We're gonna record a new record very, very soon. This month.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 04, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
Yey... recording. So there will be new music recorded when the tour starts in November. Wonder if it will also be released....
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 05, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
I assume they'll have single/preview released before tour and will play it there. They did it with Cusp Of Eternity iirc.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 15, 2016, 09:24:27 AM
New album 'Sorceress' due in the fall!!!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/opeth-signs-with-nuclear-blast-entertainment-new-album-sorceress-due-in-fall/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on June 15, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
Title sounds a bit cheesy but I am hyped!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on June 15, 2016, 09:30:38 AM
Niiice :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 15, 2016, 09:32:32 AM
Think I will always buy a new Opeth album, regardless of what the previous one sounded like. I'm not a huge fan of Heritage but did like Pale Communion a lot more. So, yeah, I'll be all over it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Bolsters on June 15, 2016, 09:36:21 AM
But isn't Nuclear Blast a metal label? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 15, 2016, 10:31:17 AM
But isn't Nuclear Blast a metal label? :neverusethis:

That was my initial thought. Maybe a return to heavy?? Or just a troll to get all 'those' fans out of the woodwork.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on June 15, 2016, 11:07:41 AM
YESSSS!!! Can't wait!! :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on June 15, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Interesting and unexpected (kind of)! I'm excited to hear what it sounds like. I'll be honest, I haven't been into the type of music they've been playing recently even though when it released I loved it. I've been into a heavier scene lately. Then again I also haven't been into their older work for quite a while (rather, haven't been in the mood). So I'd love it if they came out of left field and did a mixture of sorts but I'm pretty certain by now that hoping for anything close to their past material is pretty damn daft considering they've all but tried to hammer down like fucking Mjolnir that they're not doing that anymore.

Even so, maybe this will be the softer music that I need to balance out the immense heavy that I've been into recently.  :millahhhh :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on June 15, 2016, 11:25:56 AM
Exciting title, but hey, I'm a sucker for some cheesy stuff.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on June 15, 2016, 11:30:36 AM
Will be interesting to hear the direction they take with the new album.I'll pick it up but I'm not as excited for a new Opeth album as I would have been say 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2016, 11:32:34 AM
Interesting.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on June 15, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
Interesting.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 15, 2016, 11:49:20 AM
Not sure  what to expect, Heritage was boring, Pale Communion was actualy quite good. Will the new music be in the same vein?

Sorceress is not a title I would associate with Opeth but I'm excited nevertheless.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on June 15, 2016, 11:58:46 AM
But isn't Nuclear Blast a metal label? :neverusethis:
Their roster also includes Blues Pills, which isn't exactly a metal band and is in fact even more retro than modern Opeth. ;) It seems that as the (arguably) biggest indie metal label Nuclear Blast is snatching all the big names these days - just yesterday Paradise Lost announced they were signing with them as well.

It's interesting that we're getting a new Opeth album so soon, because the gaps between the previous records have usually been 3 years. I wonder which direction they're heading in and whether the album will be in stores by the time the fall tour starts.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 15, 2016, 12:26:31 PM
Yeay.... hope I have it in my hands before 2016-11-05.... got tickets for the first date of the tour
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: SystematicThought on June 15, 2016, 12:38:44 PM
Monte Connor works at Nuclear Blast, wasn't he Dream Theater's A&R guy for awhile?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on June 15, 2016, 08:33:47 PM
Loved Pale Communion and can't wait to hear what this one sounds like.  :coolio :hat
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 15, 2016, 11:05:26 PM
Just relistened to Heritage and Pale Communion. Both very underrated albums. Faith in Others is an amazing song.

Looking forward to Sorceress. This year is a great year for music.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Enigmachine on June 17, 2016, 12:56:52 PM
A snippet. Sounds awesome IMO.

https://www.facebook.com/Opeth/videos/vb.7496603409/10154310778973410/?type=2&theater
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on June 17, 2016, 01:05:05 PM
Mikael cracked me up at the end of that. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mister Gold on June 18, 2016, 08:37:14 PM
A snippet. Sounds awesome IMO.

https://www.facebook.com/Opeth/videos/vb.7496603409/10154310778973410/?type=2&theater

Sounds good so far, but it's kinda hard to tell from that if we're getting another album in the vein of Heritage and Pale Communion or if Mikael is gonna shift back towards a heavier sound (albeit with entirely clean vocals). I'm assuming it's the former.

Also, I've been in an Opeth mood lately. It's been ages since I last listened to Blackwater Park and Still Life! :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Lynxo on June 21, 2016, 06:56:27 AM
A snippet. Sounds awesome IMO.

https://www.facebook.com/Opeth/videos/vb.7496603409/10154310778973410/?type=2&theater
That sounded awesome and Mikael was hilarious as usual.  :rollin
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 21, 2016, 09:51:09 AM
really bummed there's no LA-area date for this tour, my guess is that it's due to a proximity clause from their set at Ozzfest.  Maybe Vegas or SF?

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/s960x960/13497751_10154326957723410_7402706291080283380_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Rattlehead on July 05, 2016, 08:56:46 PM
Just thought I'd bump this thread and say that I'm totally stoked for the new album. I'm going to see them in NYC on October 1st  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2016, 09:47:13 AM
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13707519_10154398504303410_4342726579656157634_n.jpg?oh=77ea107e7d3cd5b36bae58c73c8ef6b7&oe=5824E820)

1. Persephone
2. Sorceress
3. The Wilde Flowers
4. Will O The Wisp
5. Chrysalis
6. Sorceress 2
7. The Seventh Sojourn
8. Strange Brew
9. A Fleeting Glance
10. Era
11. Persephone (Slight Return)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 18, 2016, 09:49:03 AM
Cool artwork.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on July 18, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
Indeed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on July 18, 2016, 11:15:45 AM
Fucking gorgeous artwork, I love the hell out of that! Interesting track listing as well; not only the names but the multiple continuations and reprises of songs. I'm not going to go using the now-apparently-blanket-term of "concept album" but it'd sure be interesting if this told a bit of a story, even if it wasn't as structured. Either that or they just broke up a couple songs, which I'm leaning towards.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on July 18, 2016, 11:16:37 AM
That's one original album cover. I really dig it.

Also, do I see a Sojourn in there?  ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on July 18, 2016, 11:50:44 AM
Yikes  :eek
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on July 18, 2016, 11:51:50 AM
Wow, awesome album art. Not too sold on "Sorceress 2" and "Persephone (Slight Return)", especially the "slight return" part, but hey, as long as music is great.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on July 18, 2016, 12:06:16 PM
Awesome art indeed. Definitely one of my most anticipated albums of 2016.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Sacul on July 18, 2016, 12:11:22 PM
I'm not big into Opeth besides Damnation, but I guess I'll check this one regardless.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on July 18, 2016, 02:17:33 PM
Those song titles are (mostly) very Opeth  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on July 18, 2016, 03:29:03 PM
That cover art is seriously awesome.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on July 18, 2016, 03:51:55 PM
Let's see how many people get pissed off when it ends up sounding like a Camel album. :p
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on July 18, 2016, 04:34:29 PM
I hope it sounds better than their last two albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on July 18, 2016, 05:01:37 PM
The last album was terrific, so if they top that, I'll be more than pleased. :hat
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 18, 2016, 05:20:09 PM
Amazing artwork, but some of those song titles sound strange lol. But hey, all about the music!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on July 18, 2016, 05:20:46 PM
I hope they go back to some heavier shit, but I'm not holding my breath.  Great cover though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on July 18, 2016, 05:44:11 PM
I hope they go back to some heavier shit, but I'm not holding my breath.  Great cover though.
I honestly think it's more likely to be Swedish folk music than it is to get particularly heavy again.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on July 18, 2016, 06:32:00 PM
I hope they go back to some heavier shit, but I'm not holding my breath.  Great cover though.
I honestly think it's more likely to be Swedish folk music than it is to get particularly heavy again.

*sigh* Yeah, I know.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Polarbear on July 18, 2016, 10:16:36 PM
While Still Life is still my favorite Opeth album, i'm actually hoping that they don't go back to their old style.

I love the direction they are going with these new Opeth albums, and i hope that they continue to evolve their new sound on "Sorceress". And if the studio teasers are anything to go by, i will be more than happy!

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 19, 2016, 12:01:55 AM
The last album was terrific, so if they top that, I'll be more than pleased. :hat

This.

And cool cover, but the titles make me think of D&D games or Baldur's Gate or Skyrim etc., maybe it's a concept record about role playing games?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on July 19, 2016, 04:53:30 AM
One thing is for sure, signed to NB there will be a big over priced deluxe mail order exclusive.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 20, 2016, 07:53:56 AM
I find it really interesting that Opeth left Roadrunner because Dream Theater have made it sound like Roadrunner is the best label ever. I guess Opeth did not have as great an experience with Roadrunner as Dream Theater did.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on July 20, 2016, 08:32:00 AM
Is DT really having a bad experience with them? Aside from the Astonishing fiasco, it seems Roadrunner has been really good for them. The releases (in terms of special editions and such) have increased in quality and the band has gotten a bit more promotion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 20, 2016, 08:50:22 AM
Is DT really having a bad experience with them? Aside from the Astonishing fiasco, it seems Roadrunner has been really good for them. The releases (in terms of special editions and such) have increased in quality and the band has gotten a bit more promotion.

Wut? As far as we know DT are happy with Roadrunner. Who said any different?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on July 20, 2016, 08:52:42 AM
I think he just misread Xanadu's post.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on July 20, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
I misread it the exact same way before proceeding, so yeah. But I'd also be interested in hearing the "why". Then again maybe it was a simple want for change and wasn't a big deal at all.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on July 20, 2016, 08:06:30 PM
Yep, misread. My bad.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 21, 2016, 12:24:52 AM
I GUESS IT WAS ALL JUST A BIG MOSHUNDERSTANDING HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
























ha
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 22, 2016, 06:26:20 AM
I edited the post to hopefully make more sense. For some reason, I can't type what I want to say in a way that actually sounds good. :-[
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on July 24, 2016, 03:07:05 AM
Amazing artwork, but some of those song titles sound strange lol. But hey, all about the music!
This.
I find it really interesting that Opeth left Roadrunner because Dream Theater have made it sound like Roadrunner is the best label ever. I guess Opeth did not have as great an experience with Roadrunner as Dream Theater did.
At least the US first week sales of PC were about 1/3 lower than those of Heritage, so the band and/or management may have been unhappy with the way the album was promoted. I've also read about other bands (like Type O Negative) having some negative experiences with RR, which led to them leaving the label. However, it's also possible that Nuclear Blast simply offered a better deal for Opeth this time around.
One thing is for sure, signed to NB there will be a big over priced deluxe mail order exclusive.
Meh, deluxe box sets are the norm for big names these days, regardless of label. :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on July 24, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
I seem to remember something around the time that Pale Communion came out, like the release was pushed back so that RoadRunner could spend more time promoting Black Stone Cherry or something. Don't quote me on that but that sticks out in my mind.

Hard to believe that Pale Communion came out in 2014, I barely remember anything from that year besides Devy's stuff and The Contortionist.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on July 24, 2016, 12:47:12 PM
Megadeth also left Roadrruner and Mustaine had some negative things to say about them on the lack of promotion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on July 25, 2016, 02:12:58 AM
I seem to remember something around the time that Pale Communion came out, like the release was pushed back so that RoadRunner could spend more time promoting Black Stone Cherry or something. Don't quote me on that but that sticks out in my mind.
I remember the official reason was that the artwork wasn't done yet or sth like that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 25, 2016, 03:01:03 AM
At least the US first week sales of PC were about 1/3 lower than those of Heritage, so the band and/or management may have been unhappy with the way the album was promoted.

Could be lack of promotion but could also be that Heritage wasn't universally loved and people were careful because Pale Communion seemed to go in the same direction. Until Heritage I was a first day buyer, Pale Communion I previewed on spotify before I decided to buy it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: home on July 25, 2016, 01:21:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olffy8UPwbo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olffy8UPwbo) Nice studio report. The riff at the ends is quite heavy  ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tyrias on July 25, 2016, 01:23:36 PM
I love it when bands do that kind of stuff to promote their albums. Also, nice riff.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on July 25, 2016, 02:07:43 PM
Sounds good, keeping my hopes up they will give me an album I can truly fall in love with  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on July 25, 2016, 02:34:25 PM
D'aww...Mikael is such a goofball. Love it. Neat riff.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on July 25, 2016, 09:01:20 PM
That riff :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on July 26, 2016, 12:00:58 AM
As a fellow swede, that swedish-english accent always makes me cringe. But cool video, and yeah that end snippet sounded great.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Pettor on July 26, 2016, 03:43:25 AM
Haha Mikael is so funny!  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on July 27, 2016, 12:35:38 AM
As a fellow swede, that swedish-english accent always makes me cringe. But cool video, and yeah that end snippet sounded great.
I know the feeling because I dislike the Finnish accent :lol

Anyway, it sounds like the guitars are tuned to a low A in those snippets. Perhaps Mikael and Fredrik are playing 7-strings or baritones this time around?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: NoseofNicko on July 31, 2016, 05:13:19 PM
Title track at 1:27:40:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07m44p3#play (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07m44p3#play)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: gazinwales on July 31, 2016, 05:35:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wrkWGYcIQ
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on July 31, 2016, 06:05:51 PM
Very cool! Love the groove and guitars, and Mikael's singing is on point. I have a feeling though that this album is going to take a hell of a long time to sink in for me though. Even just this song will.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 31, 2016, 07:01:10 PM
Love it, though the intro kinda throws me. Opeth may have a real winner happening.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on July 31, 2016, 08:18:47 PM
Sounds pretty good on my first listen. Should be a great album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2016, 08:26:04 PM
Hmm...I don't know what to think.  I wasn't a fan of the last two, but this one seems a little more like something I'd enjoy.  Will wait for the album.  Reminds me heavily of Spiritual Beggars or something.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on July 31, 2016, 08:32:01 PM
I liked it. New Opeth is always exciting. :coolio
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 31, 2016, 10:03:05 PM
Really good track! Awesome grooves and some good heaviness that's been absent for a while.....can't wait to hear the rest.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on August 01, 2016, 01:16:54 AM
Nice! I quite like it :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: WebRaider on August 01, 2016, 01:38:55 AM
Very cool sounding. I've been trying to get into the band for a while maybe this will be my gateway!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on August 01, 2016, 02:18:38 AM
I flat out dislike the opening riff, but the rest was better. Not great though, just around that level of "okay" that they've been stuck on for the last two albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on August 01, 2016, 03:28:19 AM
Not 100% sold on the intro but I liked the return to a slightly heavier sound. Will be getting this on release day regardless. I won't have my expectations set too high so that should put me in good stead  :corn
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on August 01, 2016, 03:55:55 AM
Didn't do anything for me on first listen  :'(
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on August 01, 2016, 06:18:40 AM
A couple of thoughts.

I really liked the intro riff, and was disappointed that it didn't make a return to the overall song.

The main song was quite creative and fresh, yet the vibe was really familiar. Then, while listening carefully to the lyrics, I suddenly had an image in my head of a short tenor in high heeled boots, a chain mail tank top over a black satin shirt with dagged sleeves, and thinning, frizzy, shoulder length hair. This is a Dio song from 1982!!!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2016, 06:53:04 AM
Eh, I liked the intro and some of the guitar riffs, but beyond that, nothing really jumped out at me as great. It was okay I guess.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on August 01, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
Really enjoyed the intro and the unexpected heaviness of the track. This could be a great album alright.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 01, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
I didn't like it. It sounds like the same 70's prog homage like Heritage and Communion. Yet Mikael keep saying that he doesn't like to repeat himself... yea, right.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on August 01, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
How did he repeat himself with Pale Communion?  While both were rooted in 70s prog, Heritage and Pale Communion were not that similar, unless you think that all 70s prog sounded the same.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on August 01, 2016, 12:40:34 PM
As a funny coincidence I just listened to PC for the first time in ages today. :P It's definitely not a rehash of Heritage; in fact I can hear more callbacks to 2002-08 era Opeth (though obviously without the death metal). I prefer Heritage though, because it's more interesting and adventurous musically. PC is not a weak album by any means, but I just don't find myself going back to it very often.

Anyway, Sorceress sounds really interesting - those downtuned riffs are cool and something new for Opeth. :tup I'm getting a stoner doom vibe.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on August 01, 2016, 01:23:15 PM
Awesome tune, really excited about the new album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2016, 02:57:14 PM
I loved Sorceress. It's dark, heavy and moody without having to be death metal to be that way.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 01, 2016, 03:45:44 PM
That was great, better than I thought.

BTW, I saw Opeth open for Maiden this summer and I don't think i've seen/heard a band being so in the wrong place like Opeth that night. Don't get me wrong they played brilliantly but they did have a tough crowd to say the least. They played like champs though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 01, 2016, 10:30:54 PM
That's was a neat song. I enjoyed it. Loved the sound of the intro and the grooves it had. The lead into the part where Mikael sings high was perfect. I think I'll end up enjoying this more than Pale Communion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on August 02, 2016, 01:11:59 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/opeths_akesson_what_to_expect_from_new_album.html

"It's a bit more heavy, hard rock, progressive hard rock heavy, more direct. Some really catchy melodies if you want to put it that way. It's a bit more intense a think, a bit darker and heavier.

 "We're not going back to death metal stuff, but some songs are the heaviest we've done in the past three albums."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Lynxo on August 02, 2016, 02:05:50 AM
Wow, I am pleasantly surprised by this song, it sounds AWESOME! :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on August 02, 2016, 01:12:21 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/opeths_akesson_what_to_expect_from_new_album.html

"It's a bit more heavy, hard rock, progressive hard rock heavy, more direct. Some really catchy melodies if you want to put it that way. It's a bit more intense a think, a bit darker and heavier.

 "We're not going back to death metal stuff, but some songs are the heaviest we've done in the past three albums."
In the video interview linked in the article Fredrik also says he co-wrote Strange Brew. Man, this album is shaping up to be something cool!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 03, 2016, 04:45:30 AM
Sorceress has to be the best song Opeth has done. It's a blend of the old-between-new sound.

Can't wait to see what else is in store for us.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2016, 05:42:00 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/opeths_akesson_what_to_expect_from_new_album.html

"It's a bit more heavy, hard rock, progressive hard rock heavy, more direct. Some really catchy melodies if you want to put it that way. It's a bit more intense a think, a bit darker and heavier.

 "We're not going back to death metal stuff, but some songs are the heaviest we've done in the past three albums."

yay!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Art on August 05, 2016, 11:57:24 AM
Coll song, very stoner-rock.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on August 05, 2016, 01:46:22 PM
Based on their previous few albums, I wouldn't have bought this, but I ended preordering the black vinyl set just because the cover will look so cool on my shelf.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on August 05, 2016, 11:11:18 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/opeths_akesson_what_to_expect_from_new_album.html

"It's a bit more heavy, hard rock, progressive hard rock heavy, more direct. Some really catchy melodies if you want to put it that way. It's a bit more intense a think, a bit darker and heavier.

 "We're not going back to death metal stuff, but some songs are the heaviest we've done in the past three albums."

Sweet! Despite my love for Pale Communion and my acceptance of their right to make whatever kind of music they want to under the Opeth name, bringing back some metal is most welcome.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on August 06, 2016, 11:15:18 AM
BTW, I saw Opeth open for Maiden this summer and I don't think i've seen/heard a band being so in the wrong place like Opeth that night. Don't get me wrong they played brilliantly but they did have a tough crowd to say the least. They played like champs though.
When I saw Opeth opening for Black Sabbath in Helsinki (festival report here (https://www.musicalypse.net/monsters-of-rock-kaisaniemen-puisto-helsinki-07-07-2016-english/)), Mikael said the Swedish Maiden fans didn't give a shit about them. :P Luckily they got a warmer reception from the Finns.

I found a cool one-man cover of Sorceress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW6d-9ZK-NA The vocals remind me of Layne Staley, which isn't a bad thing!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 07, 2016, 09:57:42 AM
BTW, I saw Opeth open for Maiden this summer and I don't think i've seen/heard a band being so in the wrong place like Opeth that night. Don't get me wrong they played brilliantly but they did have a tough crowd to say the least. They played like champs though.
When I saw Opeth opening for Black Sabbath in Helsinki (festival report here (https://www.musicalypse.net/monsters-of-rock-kaisaniemen-puisto-helsinki-07-07-2016-english/)), Mikael said the Swedish Maiden fans didn't give a shit about them. :P Luckily they got a warmer reception from the Finns.

I found a cool one-man cover of Sorceress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW6d-9ZK-NA The vocals remind me of Layne Staley, which isn't a bad thing!
That's funny, no idea why they get that kind of reception in their homecountry, too many casual metal fans in the audience perhaps.

On another note Face In the Snow is such a beautiful and emotional song.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on August 08, 2016, 05:17:21 AM
Studio report: Episode 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDa2rnOUG-s
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pfillion on August 29, 2016, 12:11:32 PM
Review of the new album

https://www.metalwani.com/2016/08/review-opeth-sorceress.html
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on August 29, 2016, 12:26:04 PM
Good to see the author enjoys it that much. Best album since Ghost Reveries? Consider me hyped.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 30, 2016, 12:11:23 AM
Heaviest since Watershed? Consider me hyped too  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 01, 2016, 10:47:06 AM
Looking forward to this more than any Opeth album in recent memory. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much but that review has me feeling really optimistic. I do think the guy reviewing may be fanboying quite hard but either way, if it's a return to a heavier sound then I'm happy.

I really do love this band. They are never really a band that spring to mind when I think of my faves but their output is pretty stellar. I don't think they have released a bad album. A few I'm not too blown away by but that is mainly because when they do it right, BOY do they do it right. I'm not one of these fans who moans about the lack of screams/heaviness on the last two albums but I do think the contrast of the heavy/harsh vocals to clean vocals/melodic is what I love. The last two albums were just weaker than the two that came before them unfortunately, IMO. Ghost Reveries has always been my favourite (gateway album for me) but Watershed is a close second. I'd just like to see more contrast on this album. I don't mind all clean vocals at all as long as there are some heavier riffs in there as well.

This month could see my top 3 albums of the year being released if all goes well   :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pfillion on September 01, 2016, 12:19:36 PM
New review

https://www.metalinjection.net/reviews/opeth-sorcery-track-by-track
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pfillion on September 02, 2016, 02:43:51 PM
Another review

https://www.sentineldaily.com.au/opeth-sorceress-moderbolagetnuclear-blast/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 03, 2016, 06:43:59 AM
It annoys me that some of the reviews I've read have started like "If you are hoping for the return of growls on an Opeth record then you are going to be disappointed." As if 80% of fans are just going to be like "Awwww, screw this then."

I mean, I know Opeth come from a heavy metal background but if people just want METUUUUULLLLLL they have plenty of bands they can turn to. Don't get me wrong, I prefer Opeth's heavier output but I am excited about the new album and the presence (or lack) of growls really won't make any difference to me. It's been 8 years since they released an album with growls. Is the community not over it yet?? I think it is insulting to the band to open a review of the album with "Sorry, no growls!!"

Rant over.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 03, 2016, 08:02:18 AM
Good points all around. I also find it odd that some reviewers need to point out that this album is heavier than the previous two, as if that was the only aspect of Opeth music people would be looking forward to.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: devieira73 on September 03, 2016, 09:20:00 AM
Another review

https://www.sentineldaily.com.au/opeth-sorceress-moderbolagetnuclear-blast/
That is kind of a well done "bad" review that makes me believe that I will like this album very much! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: me7 on September 03, 2016, 12:03:31 PM
Good points all around. I also find it odd that some reviewers need to point out that this album is heavier than the previous two, as if that was the only aspect of Opeth music people would be looking forward to.

Also, what weight does this statement even carry? Even The Astonishing is heavier than Opeth's previous two albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: King Postwhore on September 03, 2016, 01:05:56 PM
That the reviewers know something of their music and their fanbase?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 03, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
No growls isn't a surprise anymore so it isn't that important to mention and less important to start the article with it. The fact that it's heavier again is an information about the sound of the album, so why not mention it? How important the heaviness is, is up to each listener.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: home on September 03, 2016, 02:01:21 PM
No growls isn't a surprise anymore so it isn't that important to mention and less important to start the article with it.

Besides wheter or nog it is important it is still something a lot of people want to know, so it makes kinda sense for the reviewer to say it.

Also from their Facebook it seems like a new single or at least teaser (Will'o the Wisp) night be releases tommorow :azn:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on September 04, 2016, 09:46:49 AM
New song 'Will O The Wisp' is out! You can find it on the Opeth website by clicking the peacock's foot, but in case you're lazy, here's the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfpnwk-DXrA

It's awesome!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: home on September 04, 2016, 09:52:48 AM
It's a nice beautiful song but it doesn't feel very special. Singing reminded me a lot of Jethro Tull.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 04, 2016, 09:59:34 AM
I'm not sure on that after first listen. I find Opeth ballads to be very hit and miss. I'm sure it will grow, I didn't strongly like or dislike that on first listen.

Think I'm actually going to pre-order the album now though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 04, 2016, 10:32:51 AM
I didn't like the songs they already released. Any ballad they released in any other record is much better.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on September 04, 2016, 10:53:57 AM
The track is fine. But nothing more.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on September 04, 2016, 11:17:17 AM
The track is fine. But nothing more.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on September 04, 2016, 01:29:21 PM
Good song. Sounds like it could have been on Damnation.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 04, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
I liked It...reminded me of The Drapery Falls acoustics.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 04, 2016, 03:52:15 PM
Good song. Sounds like it could have been on Damnation.
I don't see any relation to Damnation, but people keep saying that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 04, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
Good song. Sounds like it could have been on Damnation.
I don't see any relation to Damnation, but people keep saying that.
Me neither. To me, it sounds like it could have been on Pale Communion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 04, 2016, 04:45:38 PM
It's a nice ballad.

People are complaining because it doesn't have growls as usual... *sigh*
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on September 04, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
Good song. Sounds like it could have been on Damnation.
I don't see any relation to Damnation, but people keep saying that.
Yeah, this has much, much more of a folk feel than Damnation.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 05, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
New song 'Will O The Wisp' is out! You can find it on the Opeth website by clicking the peacock's foot, but in case you're lazy, here's the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfpnwk-DXrA

It's awesome!
Yeah, I love the folky vibe!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Train of Naught on September 05, 2016, 04:03:31 AM
It's a nice ballad.

People are complaining because it doesn't have growls as usual... *sigh*
Not sure where you even got that from, but most of the complaints I've read about were about the way it doesn't really develop at all, and when it finally sounds like it might, the song ends. I agree with that, maybe when we get to hear the full album it makes more sense, but as of now it's nothing special. I liked the first single though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: RoadTrain_of Thought on September 05, 2016, 04:05:12 AM
It's a good song but I feel it's lacking something and I can't put my finger on it. Maybe  I just need to hear it 10 or 15 times to get into it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 05, 2016, 05:22:22 AM
It's a nice ballad.

People are complaining because it doesn't have growls as usual... *sigh*
Not sure where you even got that from, but most of the complaints I've read about were about the way it doesn't really develop at all, and when it finally sounds like it might, the song ends. I agree with that, maybe when we get to hear the full album it makes more sense, but as of now it's nothing special. I liked the first single though.
While I get that a lot of people complain the band doesn't use growls anymore, nowadays you are not allowed to complain about anything in Opeth that people will give you the "ah, you like old Opeth, but bands evolve and bla bla bla" sermon.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 05, 2016, 06:59:31 AM
Went ahead and pre-ordered. I'm going to stay quietly (or not so quietly) confident about this one.

I'm hoping that the new track will fit better in the context of the album. It's still got room to grow anyway.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scar on September 06, 2016, 07:14:17 PM
Top 5 Favorite Albums:

1. Damnation
2. Orchid
3. Pale Communion
4. Deliverance
5. Blackwater Park

Top 10 Favorite Songs:

1. By The Pain I See In Others
2. In My Time of Need
3. Master's Apprentice
4. Windowpane
5. To Bid You Farewell
6. Cusp of Eternity
7. In Mist She Was Standing
8. Voice of Treason
9. Baying of the Hounds
10. Face of Melinda
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Lynxo on September 07, 2016, 02:05:44 AM
I actually love both of the new songs and have high hopes for the new album. :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ErHaO on September 07, 2016, 03:13:04 AM
Really like both new songs, newest one reminds me of Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull), which is nice.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on September 07, 2016, 03:28:31 AM
Favorite albums:

1. Blackwater Park
2. Still Life
3. Ghost Reveries
4. Deliverance
5. Damnation

Favorite songs:

1. Bleak
2. Blackwater Park
3. Deliverance
4. Windowpane
5. The Moor
6. Ghost of Perdition
7. Faith in Others
8. April Ethereal
9. A Fair Judgement
10. The Drapery Falls
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 07, 2016, 03:41:56 AM
Top 5 favorite albums:

Blackwater Park
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
My Arms, Your Hearse
Deliverance

Basically, the essence of what Opeth really is. :)

Top 15 (10 is impossible) favorite songs (no order):

The Moor
Blackwater Park
Master's Apprentices
Ghost Of Perdition
The Baying Of The Hounds
Reverie / Harlequin Forest
Wreath
Deliverance
When
The Amen Corner
Karma
The Apostle In Triumph
The Funeral Portrait
Godhead's Lament
Hours Of Wealth

PS: Nah, I don't care much for Damnation. From all Opeth records from 1995 to 2008, I think Damnation is the weakest.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: aurorablind on September 08, 2016, 04:19:57 AM
Top 5 albums:

Watershed
Blackwater Park
My Arms Your Hearse
Ghost Reveries
Pale Communion

Favorite songs:

Bleak
Demon of the Fall
Heir Apparent
Eternal Rains Will Come
The Moor
Master's Apprentices
Hessian Peel
April Ethereal
Harlequin Forest
The Grand Conjuration

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 08, 2016, 08:28:19 AM
Blackwater Park
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
My Arms, Your Hearse
Deliverance

"Forest of October"
"Black Rose Immortal"
"To Bid You Farewell"
"The Amen Corner"
"Demon of the Fall"
"White Cluster"
"The Leper Affinity"
"Deliverance"
"Ghost of Perdition"
"Heir Apparent"
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scar on September 08, 2016, 09:15:02 AM
I think Damnation is a really, really strong album. Do you guys agree?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 08, 2016, 09:43:12 AM
I'll just do Top 5 albums as song rankings I find quite hard for me to do.

Blackwater Park
Damnation
Ghost Reveries
Heritage
Morningrise


Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 08, 2016, 09:53:00 AM
I think Damnation is a really, really strong album. Do you guys agree?
Nope, but I guess most Opeth fans love that album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 08, 2016, 09:57:48 AM
I think Damnation is a really, really strong album. Do you guys agree?

I do love it but it's not in my top 5 albums, I love the contrast of heavy to mellow in Opeth songs. Ghost Reveries will always be my number 1 I think. Damnation is perfect when I'm in the mood for it though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on September 08, 2016, 10:50:49 AM
Damnation is my favourite Opeth album, but then again, I'm not a fan of growls so it's an easy pick.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 08, 2016, 11:05:50 AM
I'll just do Top 5 albums as song rankings I find quite hard for me to do.

Ghost Reveries
Watershed
Damnation
MAYH
Heritage
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on September 08, 2016, 11:26:09 AM
I'll just do Top 5 albums as song rankings I find quite hard for me to do.

Ghost Reveries (their best)
Blackwater Park
Watershed
Deliverance
Still Life
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 08, 2016, 11:35:15 AM
My top 5 albums:

1. Ghost Reveries
2. Watershed
3. Blackwater Park
4. Still Life
5. Damnation

(I take it back Scar, Damnation is in my top 5 actually  :lol)

Top 10 songs (in no particular order):

1. Ghost of Perdition
2. The Drapery Falls
3. Windowpane
4. Hours of Wealth
5. Heir Apparent
6. The Leper Affinity
7. The Grand Conjuration
8. The Lotus Eater
9. Burden
10. Ending Credits
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 08, 2016, 11:41:15 AM
Original number one, that's a very underrated song.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 08, 2016, 11:49:53 AM
Original number one, that's a very underrated song.

It could have been under #10. There wasn't an order, I just listed my ten faves.

Original sarcasm, that's a very underrated form of wit.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on September 08, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Wait, did you just edit your list?  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 08, 2016, 01:20:38 PM
I think Damnation is a really, really strong album. Do you guys agree?
Nope, but I guess most Opeth fans love that album.

It's a great EP ("Windowpane," DWAL, "Closure," "Hope Leaves," "Ending Credits") but otherwise I find it overstays its welcome (TRTD) or just bores me (IMTON, "Weakness"). Happy it's a pretty short 45 minuter.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 08, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
Wait, did you just edit your list?  :lol

Nope, no edits  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 08, 2016, 01:58:15 PM
I think Damnation is a really, really strong album. Do you guys agree?
Nope, but I guess most Opeth fans love that album.

It's a great EP ("Windowpane," DWAL, "Closure," "Hope Leaves," "Ending Credits") but otherwise I find it overstays its welcome (TRTD) or just bores me (IMTON, "Weakness"). Happy it's a pretty short 45 minuter.
I wouldn't disagree that there are good songs on Damnation, but it is as if the band was trying to make the statement "oh, yea.. here, look.. we can be mellow too, you know, oh look how eclectic we are!". It seems forced and lacks the inspiration of previous records.

For example, I think Hours of Wealth or Benighted or Face of Melinda or Credence or Burden are much, much better than any song on Damnation. Isn't it funny that all those ballads in a typical Opeth album with growls sound much better than on an album only with ballads?

PS: By ballads I mean songs without growls.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 08, 2016, 03:00:42 PM
1. Ghost Reveries
2. Blackwater Park
3. Damnation
4. Pale Communion
5. Still Life
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 08, 2016, 03:23:16 PM
I love Damnation, it's hauntingly soothing. But then my first dive into those songs were from Lamentations.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on September 08, 2016, 03:25:05 PM
Damnation is tremendous.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 08, 2016, 08:04:28 PM
Top 5 Albums:
1. Still Life
2. Ghost Reveries
3. Watershed
4. Blackwater Park
5. Pale Communion

Top 10 Songs:
1. The Moor
2. Ghost of Perdition
3. The Lotus Eater
4. Face of Melinda
5. The Leper Affinity
6. Heir Apparent
7. The Grand Conjuration
8. Deliverance
9. Serenity Painted Death
10. Folklore
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 09, 2016, 12:25:57 AM
1. Blackwater Park
2. Ghost Reveries
3. Damnation
4. Still Life
5. Watershed
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Onno on September 09, 2016, 03:11:32 AM
1. Blackwater Park
2. Ghost Reveries
3. Watershed
4. Damnation
5. Pale Communion
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Dave_Manchester on September 09, 2016, 04:48:32 AM
I think Damnation is a really, really strong album. Do you guys agree?

I like it but it's not one of my favourites. I'd have prefered those songs to be scattered around their other albums. I don't think Opeth do any one thing brillantly, they do so many different things well, and when they put them all together in a song, then it becomes brilliant. Damnation is, for me, too many of those elements removed for it to be a great record. It is a nice listen though with 3 truly great songs.

My album Top 5:

Ghost Reveries
Still Life
Deliverance
Blackwater Park
Watershed

Top 10 Songs

The Baying of the Hounds
Ghost of Perdition
Reverie/Harlequin Forest
The Moor
Godhead's Lament
Serenity Painted Death
Wreath
A Fair Judgement
The Drapery Falls
In My Time of Need
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on September 09, 2016, 05:01:12 AM
Don't think I can narrow it down to top 10 songs.

1. Ghost Reveries
2. Blackwater Park
3. Deliverance

4. Watershed

5. Orchid

Very close between Orchid and Morningrise for the 5th spot. They seem to get a bit of a bad rap, but I really enjoy them - certainly more than the 2 albums that followed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 09, 2016, 07:25:24 AM
Very close between Orchid and Morningrise for the 5th spot. They seem to get a bit of a bad rap, but I really enjoy them - certainly more than the 2 albums that followed.

Pretty sure you're the first person I've ever seen say they like O/M more than Still Life.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scorpion on September 09, 2016, 07:37:54 AM
Top 5 albums:

Still Life
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
My Arms, Your Hearse
Orchid

Top 10 songs:

The Moor
Ghost of Perdition
Bleak
Demon of the Fall
The Drapery Falls
The Baying of the Hounds
Reverie / Harlequin Forest
In the Mist She Was Standing
White Cluster
Hope Leaves

Or something like that, anyway. They have lots of fantastic songs.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scar on September 09, 2016, 08:50:58 AM
I agree. To the others here, what do you prefer: Black Rose Immortal, Advent, or To Bid You Farewell?

I'm running a survivors and there seems to be mixed ratings for these songs.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on September 09, 2016, 09:32:28 AM
1. My Arms, Your Hearse
2. Watershed
3. Damnation
4. Still Life
5. Ghost Reveries
6. Blackwater Park
7. Deliverance (easily my favorite seven album run of any band)

8. Pale Communion




9. Morningrise
10. Orchid






11. Heritage
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on September 09, 2016, 09:44:43 AM
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries

Deliverance
Still Life
Pale Communion
Watershed
Damnation
My Arms Your Hearse

Heritage
Morningrise

Orchid


those albums are really close within those groupings
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 09, 2016, 09:46:27 AM
My Arms Your Hearse
Still Life
Deliverance
Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
--
Orchid
Morningrise
Watershed
Damnation
Pale Communion
Heritage
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 09, 2016, 11:40:01 AM
1 to 3 are interchangeable.

1- Blackwater Park
2- Ghost Reveries
3- Still Life
4- My Arms, Your Hearse
5- Deliverance
6- Orchid
7- Watershed
8- Morningrise
9- Heritage
10- Damnation
11- Pale Communion
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 12, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
I got my digital advance copy of Sorceress today! :angel: My first impression is that it's a pretty diverse album and Mikael's singing is more varied than ever, since there's both more falsetto and rasp than before. I'll write a review in a week or two after I've listened to it enough to give a fair judgement.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mosh on September 12, 2016, 11:18:32 AM
a fair judgement.
heh
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 12, 2016, 12:24:01 PM
Sweet! I can't wait to hear this album!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 12, 2016, 01:58:27 PM
I got my digital advance copy of Sorceress today! :angel: My first impression is that it's a pretty diverse album and Mikael's singing is more varied than ever, since there's both more falsetto and rasp than before. I'll write a review in a week or two after I've listened to it enough to give a fair judgement.

How do you have a copy already? Pretty jealous.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 12, 2016, 02:20:09 PM
I have to say Will O the Wish really have grown on me, I even like it more than the Sorceress. Really classy ballad, can't wait to hear more of it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 12, 2016, 03:21:55 PM
a fair judgement.
heh
How could I say no to a perfect pun? :P
How do you have a copy already? Pretty jealous.
I write reviews for a music website so I get to hear a lot of albums before they get released.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 12, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
How do you have a copy already? Pretty jealous.
I write reviews for a music website so I get to hear a lot of albums before they get released.

Ok, fair enough. I'm slightly less jealous.....only slightly though  :censored
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scar on September 16, 2016, 08:03:18 AM
Just relistened to By The Pain I See In Others.
Love it very much. Top 2 in Deliverance. Its a really solid strong and features one of my most favorite Mikael clean vocals and his screams with, "RISE TO SUBMISSION!" and "Outside in the park...." So freaking haunting.

A perfect song really.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Big Hath on September 16, 2016, 08:59:38 AM
I love that song!

although if memory serves correct that's more of a "controversial opinion" around these parts
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 16, 2016, 12:41:15 PM
I think it's a great song and an underrated one, but still the weakest out of the long numbers on Deliverace. Title track is probably the best Opeth song, A Fair Judgement is their best "ballad", Master's Apprentices is amazing and Wreath destroys everything in its way. BtPiSiO is still a great track, just falls short of the other awesome ones.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 16, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
A Fair Judgement is awesome. I love the Lamentations version.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 16, 2016, 02:17:19 PM
I think it's a great song and an underrated one, but still the weakest out of the long numbers on Deliverace. Title track is probably the best Opeth song, A Fair Judgement is their best "ballad", Master's Apprentices is amazing and Wreath destroys everything in its way. BtPiSiO is still a great track, just falls short of the other awesome ones.

I'd actually call "Wreath" the weak link. That isn't to say I don't love it – I do! I swear! – but it's a poor opener and the middle section goes on WAY too long. In fact, if they'd edited that down, I'd have no complaints.

BTPISIO is great but a bit of a mish-mash in the middle, like they were throwing curveballs just because, rather than doing what the piece itself was dictating. I suppose that sorta describes the way most of Deliverance was written, though, save AFJ and MA. I like it better as an opener than "Wreath" because of the cool intro.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 16, 2016, 07:19:08 PM
Wreath kicks ass. It is a punch in the face as album opener.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 17, 2016, 01:24:03 AM
Deliverance is easily my least favorite Opeth album, though the title-track and Master's Apprentices are two of their best songs ever. Wreath and AFJ are alright but overstay their welcome, and BTPISIO is a bit of a mess with some good parts and some bad stuff. It feels like Mikael tried to write a heavy album, but he didn't have enough quality metal riffs so he ended up repeating the ones that he had ad nauseam. Damnation sounds so much more genuine and natural to my ears.

Btw this discussion reminded me that 9:50 in Wreath is one of the biggest musical teases ever, because that gorgeous acoustic bit could've been expanded on or even become a song of its own.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 17, 2016, 08:21:45 AM
Btw this discussion reminded me that 9:50 in Wreath is one of the biggest musical teases ever, because that gorgeous acoustic bit could've been expanded on or even become a song of its own.

Totally! The heavy bit in the middle repeats too much but the acoustic bit at 9:50 is far too short. Where is the balance?!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 20, 2016, 12:19:13 AM
My review of Sorceress is out! (https://www.musicalypse.net/2016-opeth-sorceress/)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 20, 2016, 12:46:36 AM
My review of Sorceress is out! (https://www.musicalypse.net/2016-opeth-sorceress/)

Nice review dude. I'm really looking forward to this one!!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: home on September 21, 2016, 09:02:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vA6dJJX-8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vA6dJJX-8)

New song: The Wilde Flowers is out! Not sure what to think of it yet.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on September 21, 2016, 09:22:24 AM
My review of Sorceress is out! (https://www.musicalypse.net/2016-opeth-sorceress/)

Nice review dude. I'm really looking forward to this one!!
Thanks, glad you liked it!

I thought Era would be the third single, because in the track-by-track breakdown Mikael said they were considering that one, but on the other hand The Wilde Flowers is a more typical Opeth song and may be easier to stomach for those who are fans already.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on September 21, 2016, 01:01:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vA6dJJX-8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vA6dJJX-8)

New song: The Wilde Flowers is out! Not sure what to think of it yet.

On first listen, this is easily my favorite of the three songs released so far.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 21, 2016, 01:16:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vA6dJJX-8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9vA6dJJX-8)

New song: The Wilde Flowers is out! Not sure what to think of it yet.

On first listen, this is easily my favorite of the three songs released so far.

I agree that on first listen this was my favourite. I have probably only listened to the other two songs 2-3 times each but Sorceress is a very close 2nd. I try not to listen any more than that though as I hate getting a new album and already feeling bored of one of the songs. I just get a feel then wait to hear the album in full!!

This is shaping up to be the best release since Watershed  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 21, 2016, 04:02:19 PM
That was an awesome song! I really dig what Mikael is doing with his vocals, and that guitar solo!!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on September 21, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
Ok that's what I'm talking about. The beat grooves hard, there's a sick guitar solo, a contemplative piece of fantasy Opeth goodness, followed by the heaviest outburst I've heard on an Opeth record since Watershed. This song is nuts on all fronts and I love the shit out of it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on September 21, 2016, 05:26:07 PM
Solid song. That chorus is so catchy!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 22, 2016, 02:02:07 AM
Damn catchy! It was the first thing in my head when I woke up, I guess that's a good sign :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on September 22, 2016, 02:12:04 AM
Great song, I'm pumped for this album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: aurorablind on September 22, 2016, 12:57:56 PM
YES!  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on September 24, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
Listened to this album a few times and I'm not very impressed. :-\  It sounds stale and too similar to Pale Communion. The singles are really good but overall it sounds like Opeth going through the motions and not really innovating like they usually do.

Hopefully it'll grow on me but for now I'll add it to the long list of 2016 musical disappointments.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scorpion on September 25, 2016, 01:20:52 AM
Listened to this album a few times and I'm not very impressed. :-\  It sounds stale and too similar to Pale Communion. The singles are really good but overall it sounds like Opeth going through the motions and not really innovating like they usually do.

Hopefully it'll grow on me but for now I'll add it to the long list of 2016 musical disappointments.
If I may ask, what disappointed you this year? I've found 2016 to be an exceptionally strong year in music for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on September 25, 2016, 01:52:00 AM
Listened to this album a few times and I'm not very impressed. :-\  It sounds stale and too similar to Pale Communion. The singles are really good but overall it sounds like Opeth going through the motions and not really innovating like they usually do.

Hopefully it'll grow on me but for now I'll add it to the long list of 2016 musical disappointments.
If I may ask, what disappointed you this year? I've found 2016 to be an exceptionally strong year in music for me.
Off the top of my head - Dream Theater, Deftones, Gojira, Katatonia, Killswitch Engage, Anthrax, Witchcraft, Explosions in the Sky, Textures, Insomnium, Alter Bridge, Amon Amarth. (Not that these bands made bad albums - just that they didn't impress me very much.)

On the other hand, the new albums from Periphery, Megadeth, Haken, Devin Townsend, Tremonti and Sabaton are all really good. Expecting a few more good ones this year too (i.e. Epica, Alcest, Animals as Leaders and Testament.)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Scorpion on September 25, 2016, 02:05:24 AM
Aside from The Astonishing, I haven't heard any of those albums so that make sense that our opinions differ. Anyway, given what I know about your tastes and the threads that you post in, I'd definitely recommend you check out the new Ihsahn album, it's probably among my Top 5 of the year and my favorite of his solo albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Luoto on September 25, 2016, 03:40:19 AM
Insomnium

Excuse me but Winter's Gate is brilliant. It's a head above everything else this year actually, even though 2016 hasn't really been that bad.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: adace on September 25, 2016, 02:25:24 PM
Aside from The Astonishing, I haven't heard any of those albums so that make sense that our opinions differ. Anyway, given what I know about your tastes and the threads that you post in, I'd definitely recommend you check out the new Ihsahn album, it's probably among my Top 5 of the year and my favorite of his solo albums.
Only listened to that one once or twice but I definitely liked it. Gonna have to revisit it sometime.

Insomnium


Excuse me but Winter's Gate is brilliant. It's a head above everything else this year actually, even though 2016 hasn't really been that bad.

Maybe it's just because I'm not a fan of albums with a single gigantic song but I like their previous one better.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on September 26, 2016, 01:25:43 PM
Still haven't heard a note off the new album. My expectations are not high based on how much the a last two albums didn't resonate with me. This may be the last auto buy Opeth album for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 27, 2016, 02:42:39 AM
Just don't expect a metal album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 27, 2016, 02:48:22 AM
Just don't expect a metal album.

Yeah, not sure what to make of it, but heavy it is not.

Heaviest since Watershed? Consider me hyped too  :metal :metal :metal

See above, this isn't heavier than Heritage or Pale Communion, only one or two heavier riffs don't make it metal, this is deeply rooted in 70s prog.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on September 27, 2016, 02:52:20 AM
I don't need metal, but I do want it to be good. Opeth's two latest haven't really been very good, so I'm not expecting this one to blow me away either.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 27, 2016, 03:00:09 AM
I don't think it is very different from what they did with the last two albums. It is an ok album, not fantastic.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 27, 2016, 03:26:52 AM
I would put this over Heritage but under Pale Communion. I would call it a mild disappointment.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 27, 2016, 03:36:29 AM
I would put this over Heritage but under Pale Communion. I would call it a mild disappointment.

As of now this would be my judgement, but maybe/hopefully it will grow on me.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: RoeDent on September 27, 2016, 04:20:57 AM
........Anyone gonna change the thread title?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 27, 2016, 05:56:48 AM
........Anyone gonna change the thread title?
Why? I thought this was the Opeth thread....  ::)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on September 27, 2016, 07:58:17 AM
........Anyone gonna change the thread title?
Why? I thought this was the Opeth thread....  ::)

Should read Opeth v. Sorceress (at least once the album is released).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 27, 2016, 09:59:46 AM
........Anyone gonna change the thread title?
Why? I thought this was the Opeth thread....  ::)

Should read Opeth v. Sorceress (at least once the album is released).
I've never understood this thing with the "v. bla bla bla". I mean, this is the Opeth thread, we can talk about everything concerning Opeth, can't we? Sorceress or Pale Communion or whatever.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: King Postwhore on September 27, 2016, 11:19:32 AM
Chuck, really?! :lol

Of course you can.  The title reflects the upcoming album release.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Evermind on September 27, 2016, 12:03:59 PM
My inner perfectionist likes that "v." thing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: King Postwhore on September 27, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Opeth vs. that "V" thang.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Prog Snob on September 27, 2016, 12:16:17 PM
They only have the title track on Spotify right now. It's not bad, though I'm hoping the album improves with the other songs.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on September 27, 2016, 02:21:55 PM
I've accepted that the growls are gone but I would LOVE Opeth to be a metal band again.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 27, 2016, 11:09:03 PM
Chuck, really?! :lol

Of course you can.  The title reflects the upcoming album release.
I know, but what's the need of it? You create "Opeth official thread". End of story, no need to update after every release. If you want to talk specifically about a new release, then make a new thread "Opeth - Sorceress". :p
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 27, 2016, 11:10:23 PM
I've accepted that the growls are gone but I would LOVE Opeth to be a metal band again.
Me too, but unfortunately even if they tried to make a metal record, Mikael's growls are not even close to what they used to be.  :sad:  For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7yRAc2Sxas


Good old Opeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on September 28, 2016, 01:48:05 PM
Got my Sorceress vinyl today. It's really gorgeous. Haven't heard the album yet.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on September 29, 2016, 07:54:11 AM
Full album is streaming now.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/new_opeth_album_sorceress_streaming_in_full_listen.html
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: faizoff on September 29, 2016, 03:36:46 PM
First listen through and I love it! Can't wait to pick up the physical copy tomorrow. Hopefully Best Buy stocks one by my place.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on September 29, 2016, 04:48:16 PM
The album's pretty diverse even without growls. Really digging the Storm Corrosion influences here and there.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 30, 2016, 12:24:25 AM
Setlist is posted up.

Man, I wish I could see them this tour. So much awesome.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Art on September 30, 2016, 05:30:41 AM
I am really digging the new album! Is it me, or are there some AIC influences (mostly on the vocals)?



Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 30, 2016, 05:39:35 AM
I am really digging the new album! Is it me, or are there some AIC influences (mostly on the vocals)?

I got some strong AiC vibes from the vocals in the title track :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Art on September 30, 2016, 05:42:08 AM
I am really digging the new album! Is it me, or are there some AIC influences (mostly on the vocals)?

I got some strong AiC vibes from the vocals in the title track :)

Definitely! I got some on Wilde Flowers, too. Awesome!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: goo-goo on September 30, 2016, 07:54:39 AM
What does anybody think about the production? It seems like the bass is very very high and overpowers some of the guitar parts and even some of the guitars. It also sounds very very distorted. Anybody have a problem with that?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on September 30, 2016, 08:39:27 AM
The production is really bad unfortunately. It's easily the worst sounding Opeth album, which is quite the feat considering their debut album sounds better.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: efx on September 30, 2016, 08:59:59 AM
Yeah, I rarely harp on production even though it's something I'm doing myself and care a great deal about but this is borderline unlistenable to me. Listening to Era as we speak which I think is a really superb song and due to the uptempo nature of it the low end of the kick and the bass just overpowers everything from guitars to vocals.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on September 30, 2016, 09:18:01 AM
I really appreciate the elevated bass and kick on my office stereo but I did need to put the equalization to flat and bump my subwoofer down on my home stereo (which I don't mind doing) to get and enjoyable sound. I don't detect any distortion at all.

It took a few listens to get on board with a few of the songs ("Sorceress 2 and "The Seventh Sojourn") but for the most part the album immediately resonated with me. I really, really, dig the bonus song "Spring McMlxxiv"!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 30, 2016, 09:23:50 AM
Setlist is posted up.

Man, I wish I could see them this tour. So much awesome.

It is indeed a great setlist! I'll be seeing them in Chicago on 10/9!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Randaran on September 30, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
On first listen, I can safely say that I like this better than the previous two albums. I doubt that it will have the staying power of the MAYH->Watershed run, and that the production is somewhat to blame. Though I will continue to check out Opeth's future efforts, I've long since given up on them releasing another amazing album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on September 30, 2016, 12:10:46 PM
Will be downloading this tonight and after reading several reviews and comments I'm pretty sure I'm not going to love it. Storm Corrosion did nothing for me and the fact that more than half the album is being compared to that does not bode well.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on September 30, 2016, 12:12:42 PM
What are the thoughts of the bonus tracks?


12.   "The Ward" 
13.   "Spring MCMLXXIV"
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: faizoff on September 30, 2016, 12:19:51 PM
If you have spotify or google play the album is on there. I listened to the whole album once along with the bonus tracks. The bonus tracks are good just not in the same vein as the rest of the album so I can see why they were left out. I think the comparison to Storm Corrosion is not related to the structure of the songs but rather some of the musical themes and melodies. SC is a very laid back mostly percussion free album, Sorceress isn't that way but has certain elements of sound from SC.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on September 30, 2016, 12:48:40 PM
What are the thoughts of the bonus tracks?


12.   "The Ward" 
13.   "Spring MCMLXXIV"

12. :tup
13.  :tup :tup  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on September 30, 2016, 01:09:58 PM
I'm really digging Era.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on September 30, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
I'm really digging Era.

I like it too, but I think I may have a defective copy. It stops suddenly  ???
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: faizoff on September 30, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
Era is a great closer track for the album and it looks like it's meant to end abruptly followed by the coda piece. I think this album is an amazing listen start to finish. Only track I'm not that into is A Fleeting Glance. Other than that all tracks are rocking.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on September 30, 2016, 04:46:07 PM
I will probably pick this up this weekend.

To those of you saying the production isn't great, are you listening to the actual release, or the stream or a leak? 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cable on September 30, 2016, 06:24:20 PM
I do not understand complaints with production. While it still goes a bit for the vintage feel, it sounds more modern to me. Which was one of my contentions with the past two albums. This is still much better sounding than Orchid and Morningrise too IMO for that matter. The first two albums sound like they were recorded with a 5 watt practice amp and a Boss Metal Zone.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: faizoff on September 30, 2016, 09:12:45 PM
To those of you saying the production isn't great, are you listening to the actual release, or the stream or a leak? 
Previous listens were on Google Play so quality was not bad but mix sounded pretty good. Picked up the CD just now so will listen to that rip and report back, I for one won't be surprised if it knocks it out of the park again. Pity the 5.1 mix is only found with the boxset.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: efx on October 01, 2016, 02:13:12 AM
I listened to the actual CD on a system that I know. I get the sound they are going for but I think the execution of it is lacking and it ends up in parts hurting the music. Take songs like Era that are uptempo and on the heavier side, the bass frequencies overpower everything including even the vocals which makes it very hard to for me to listen to. On the mellower tracks this doesn't become an issue at all but on the heavy stuff it makes it hard for me to listen to it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Rattlehead on October 01, 2016, 09:51:29 AM
I still don't even really know how I feel about the album as a whole, but The Wilde Flowers immediately stood out to me and is my favorite track so far. I'm going to see them at Radio City Music Hall tonight, so I am beyond excited right now  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: TioJorge on October 01, 2016, 11:34:04 AM
Hm. It's definitely got an interesting sound, speaking production wise. I don't dislike it but even while listening on my PC speakers, the bass is definitely at the forefront and the album just sounds very "deep", at times the great vocals get drowned out and muffled. In my car it's a bit less noticeable because of the environment and great set up but then is exasperated by the bigger bass speakers so... yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about it. Musically though I think it's fantastic! Nothing major to say other than that as Opeth albums usually take me even longer than usual to soak in. Loving Wilde/Sorceress2/Era.

I think it's the first time though that I've had any comments other than compliments about the production on an Opeth album. It's not like it's hindering the listening but the fact I thought about it at all is of note.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on October 01, 2016, 11:43:29 AM
It's bassy, sure. But on my setup (headphones and PC speakers), I haven't found it offputting in any way.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 01, 2016, 03:08:50 PM
Just finished my first listen.

Production is pretty muddy, but it is what it is!

Strange Brew :hefdaddy

The Wilde Flowers is awesome and so is Chrysalis and Era
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: tyranor on October 01, 2016, 08:10:04 PM
Hello everyone,

Was reading the forum for ages and now decided to participate.

I got to know Opeth when they released "Heritage". And I didn't like it much. But then they released "Pale Communion" and I really really enjoyed it. "Voice of Treason" is a fantastic song for example. I can also say that I'm not emotionally attached to their earlier albums, some of them I didn't even listen yet. And I don't care about growls and DM elements even though I'm listening to any types of Metal for about 20 years.

I do like their current direction and I do like "Sorceress". Production is too dark for my taste and low end is very strong but it somehow suits the music. And the flaw of the album is great. From start to the finish. "Era" is a fantastic song. Same goes to "Strange Brew". But all of them are great.

I like what they do now and I hope they will continue to write music in the same style. It's heavy, progressive and melodic at the same time.

They are coming to NZ in February next year and I hope I'll get to chance to see them live, should be amazing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: LudwigVan on October 01, 2016, 10:43:49 PM
Just attended the show at Radio City Music Hall. F*cking epic.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on October 03, 2016, 06:50:44 AM
Never thought Opeth would drop out of my top 10 favorite bands. I'm not sure what to think of the new album yet but I like half and hate half right now.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Lynxo on October 03, 2016, 07:37:43 AM
I think the new album is amazing.  :metal Right now, it's my favorite of the current era of Opeth. (Heritage - Pale Communion - Sorceress.)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ErHaO on October 03, 2016, 08:06:49 AM
Huh, not really understanding the critique on the mix here, to me it sounds better than PC, because in PC the bass was a bit overdone (a bit too "punchy", if that makes any sense) for my tastes and I feel the vocals have a better presence in the mix here (especially the vocal harmonies), they are a tad more to the front in general, which I prefer. Sorceress sounds a bit more lively and "sharp" to me than PC.

Anyways, I love this album, including the bonus tracks. While Opeth is one of these band where I love some songs but not many of their albums as a whole, this one knocks it out of the park. There is a certain catchyness to the songs that the last two albums lacked and the album paces incredibly well, with the songs taking many different directions musically. Wilde Flowers, Era, Spring MCMLXXIV, and Strange Brew are probably my favourites.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on October 03, 2016, 08:17:10 AM
Half way through my third listen and I have no complaints about the production. Out of the 13 tracks (including the bonus tracks) I've narrowed it down to 7 keepers for sure and a couple are on the fence.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Rattlehead on October 03, 2016, 08:26:16 AM
Just attended the show at Radio City Music Hall. F*cking epic.  :metal

I was there too, it was an excellent show and the set list was awesome. I still can't believe they played By The Pain I See In Others  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on October 03, 2016, 09:32:23 AM
Just finished my third listen. I'll say this gets better with each listen and I like Sourcess over their last two release by a lot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on October 03, 2016, 11:32:30 AM
I really like the RCMH set list. Especially the inclusion of By the pain, criminally underrated song.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: rumborak on October 03, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/14570723_10157472665705542_6148833641357065816_o_zpsdlpc8vwn.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/rumborak/media/14570723_10157472665705542_6148833641357065816_o_zpsdlpc8vwn.jpg.html)

Saw Opeth yesterday in the shadow of the Green Monstah. Incredible show, got a perfect seat with squishy cushions.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 04, 2016, 05:57:29 AM
On first listen (whilst en route to see Ne Obliviscaris and Oceans of Slumber tonight  :metal)

Sounds good so far, enjoying it. The guitar solos are really good so far, definitely a standout on first listen. Some nice heavy moments as well. Think I'm going to grow to like this.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 04, 2016, 06:29:39 AM
Oceans of Slumber are a great band.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 04, 2016, 06:42:00 AM
https://rollingstoneindia.com/opeth-mikael-akerfeldt-sorceress-interview/

A few new pieces of information:
-a video has been filmed for Era
-Mikael wouldn't have sex with Steven Wilson
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 04, 2016, 06:50:18 AM
While I would still put this above Heritage, I would still consider it a disappointment even though my expectations weren't that high. But I guess it's also a matter of timing, because even though I'd give this a 6.5 or weak 7 /10, it comes out in the midst of Oathbreaker, Alcest, Nick Cave, Neurosis and a bunch of other really strong albums, and in comparison Sorceress isn't that good unfortunately.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 04, 2016, 09:46:10 AM
Hello everyone,

Was reading the forum for ages and now decided to participate.

I got to know Opeth when they released "Heritage". And I didn't like it much. But then they released "Pale Communion" and I really really enjoyed it. "Voice of Treason" is a fantastic song for example. I can also say that I'm not emotionally attached to their earlier albums, some of them I didn't even listen yet. And I don't care about growls and DM elements even though I'm listening to any types of Metal for about 20 years.

I do like their current direction and I do like "Sorceress". Production is too dark for my taste and low end is very strong but it somehow suits the music. And the flaw of the album is great. From start to the finish. "Era" is a fantastic song. Same goes to "Strange Brew". But all of them are great.

I like what they do now and I hope they will continue to write music in the same style. It's heavy, progressive and melodic at the same time.

They are coming to NZ in February next year and I hope I'll get to chance to see them live, should be amazing.

Welcome! While you said you're not fond of the older stuff, have you at least listened to the essentials like Still Life, Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 05, 2016, 03:53:24 AM
The intro (Persephone) gives me a serious Stairway To Heaven vibe.

As of now the record is better than Heritage by far but hasn't reached Pale Communion. Maybe it will change with more listens, it's not bad but and it has grown on me in the last few days. I enjoy the more mellow tunes better than the rockin' ones. The sound on some tunes has too much bottom end, so yeah, the production is a bit of a problem.

My main gripe as of now: the rhythm guitars, especially when they are rocking, have no crunsh, no punch, no gut. They sound muddy and cheap.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: krands85 on October 05, 2016, 04:42:43 AM
Still digesting this, but even at this stage I prefer it to the last 2 albums. Chrysalis is awesome  :metal :coolio
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Elite on October 05, 2016, 06:36:33 AM
most disappointing album of the year so far, even though I didn't really expect much of it
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on October 05, 2016, 08:10:46 AM
Most surprising album so far, though Metallica may take that award. Easily their best album since Ghost Reveries and it may crack my top 10 albums of the year.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zantera on October 05, 2016, 08:16:50 AM
It's interesting how divided people are on this album. I'd say even more so than Heritage or PC.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: LudwigVan on October 05, 2016, 08:46:02 AM
Most surprising album so far, though Metallica may take that award. Easily their best album since Ghost Reveries and it may crack my top 10 albums of the year.

4 posts ago, you practically hated it!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: BlackInk on October 05, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
I'm not disappointed, mostly because I never expected anything from this album in the first place. I might put it above Heritage, but below Pale Communion. It's sad that Opeth 2.0 bores me the way they do, but eh, the vinyl looks good on my shelf, so I'm not really hurting over it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 05, 2016, 10:52:33 AM
I'm enjoying it...Strange Brew is an amazing jam.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: kaos2900 on October 05, 2016, 11:47:51 AM
Most surprising album so far, though Metallica may take that award. Easily their best album since Ghost Reveries and it may crack my top 10 albums of the year.

4 posts ago, you practically hated it!   :biggrin:

Lol, I should learn not post things after one listen. To be fair i deleted the songs I didn't like and the remaining 9 songs make for a much better listening experience..
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Mladen on October 05, 2016, 11:53:31 AM
I'm slightly indifferent towards the album at the moment. Some of it is fantastic, Chrysalis and The Wilde flowers are amazing songs. The title track also seems to be growing on me. The rest of the album strikes me as slightly unimaginative. Some of it is very predictable and melodically ordinary. It might be a grower, who knows.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on October 05, 2016, 01:05:26 PM
Out of the last three, my rankings as of this moment would be:

1. Heritage
2. Sorceress
3. Pale Communion
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 05, 2016, 03:13:52 PM
Pale Communion
Sorceress
Heritage


This could very well change, because I'm still digesting Sorceress.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 05, 2016, 10:22:19 PM
Finally got my preorder with t-shirt yesterday (why did it take so long....).
After one listen I am a bit underwhelmed actually. I hope the album grows on me.

Love Heritage, consider it as one of my favorite Opeth records. Like Pale Communion a lot. So it's not the direction for me... might be the songs or the production. Will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Lynxo on October 06, 2016, 01:37:11 AM
Era might be one of my new favorite songs of theirs. :metal Such an amazing and unique sound.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ? on October 06, 2016, 03:01:00 AM
Out of the last three, my rankings as of this moment would be:

1. Heritage
2. Sorceress
3. Pale Communion
Same here. The Seventh Sojourn is the only weak link, and if they'd replaced it with one of the bonus tracks or dropped it completely, Sorceress would be my favorite modern Opeth album.

I finally got my digipak in the mail today, can't wait to crank it up on a proper stereo! :metal Btw, is anyone else amused by the renaissance portraits in the booklet? I laughed so hard when I first saw them in the TWF lyric video. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Tomislav95 on October 06, 2016, 05:23:44 AM
Pale Communion
Sorceress
Heritage


This could very well change, because I'm still digesting Sorceress.
Same here.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PROGdrummer on October 06, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
On my first few listens I was very underwhelmed, a big feeling of "err.....alright I guess". The mix bothered me as well
After a couple days it totally clicked with me. Love every track (except for Strange Brew, which I still dont really "get" yet".

Favorites tracks would have to be Sorceress 2, The Ward, Chrysallis, Will O Wisp, and Era  for sure.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on October 06, 2016, 12:58:37 PM
I've seen very little appreciation for Sorceress (the song) in this thread, which surprises me. Maybe because everyone heard it before the album was released. But I think it absolutely rocks.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Zydar on October 06, 2016, 01:02:44 PM
Yeah, it's one of my favourites on the album for sure.

Edit: I could do without that intro though  :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on October 06, 2016, 01:15:48 PM
The intro is one of my favorite parts of the entire album (love me some rockin' organ riffs) except... that it doesn't seem to have any relevance to the rest of the song. It doesn't return and it's not foreshadowing any of the other themes in the song itself. So, for that reason it seems a bit of a "throwaway" and I don't think the song would suffer any if it didn't exist.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: pogoowner on October 06, 2016, 01:31:57 PM
Yeah, I have no problem with the organ riff itself, but I do agree that it seems unnecessarily paired with the rest of the song. The moment of contrast when the heavy guitar riff follows it is pretty badass, though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Art on October 06, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
This album keeps getting better and better for me!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: PixelDream on October 06, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
I'm surprised to see so many complaints about Sorceress' organ intro. I think it's a cool, groovy start to the song. It's the outro I'm having problems with. That riff just drags on and on to my ears.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: NoseofNicko on October 06, 2016, 04:34:15 PM
Very good album. I have to say I don't get the love for Era though. I like it, but it's pretty much the simplest most generic song on the album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Podaar on October 06, 2016, 04:47:48 PM
I'm surprised to see so many complaints about Sorceress' organ intro. I think it's a cool, groovy start to the song. It's the outro I'm having problems with. That riff just drags on and on to my ears.

I'm not seeing complaints. Zydar, (after saying the song was a favorite) simply said he could do with out the intro. I said I love it but don't see how it relates to the rest of the song. Pogoowner brought up the subject originally saying that he loves the song. He later said he agrees that the opening riff may be unnecessary but I didn't take that to be a complaint at all.

:dunno:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: KevShmev on October 06, 2016, 06:35:31 PM
I finally got this. After one listen, not sure what to think, but I see what many are talking about in regards to the sound of it; the bass is cranked way up and it sounds way too muddy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 07, 2016, 12:55:43 AM
Defenitely a grower. There's tons of very intricate subtle guitarplaying on the whole album. Great layering.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2016, 05:38:22 AM
I'm listening to this album now, and I don't want to be negative but I'm just not digging the style the guys have found themselves in.  Heritage IMO was alright, but Pale Communion did nothing and this one is the same.  I'm happy for them that they are evolving and that people can appreciate, but I think Opeth are not for me anymore.  A shame because the older albums are so fucking brilliant and special but IMO they've lost a lot of their magic and charm now.  Maybe one day my opinion will change and I will give this album a few chances.  At the moment it will be the first Opeth album I won't buy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 07, 2016, 07:14:44 AM
I'm listening to this album now, and I don't want to be negative but I'm just not digging the style the guys have found themselves in.  Heritage IMO was alright, but Pale Communion did nothing and this one is the same.  I'm happy for them that they are evolving and that people can appreciate, but I think Opeth are not for me anymore.  A shame because the older albums are so fucking brilliant and special but IMO they've lost a lot of their magic and charm now.  Maybe one day my opinion will change and I will give this album a few chances.  At the moment it will be the first Opeth album I won't buy.
Which means you didn't listen to the whole album, but you already have a review of it. Try listening to it a few more times and maybe you will change your mind. You cannot make a decision based on half a listen or one listen.

I also prefer the old Opeth and it took me a long time to get into Pale Communion because I didn't want to accept their change of style and I immediately disregarded anything that didn't sound like old Opeth. It is pretty hard to appreciate their new direction if you don't accept that they changed and that's it.

I definetily enjoyed the new album. I don't think it is fantastic or that it compares to old Opeth, but it is very good.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: PROGdrummer on October 07, 2016, 05:54:19 PM
Too early to rank the songs?

1 Era
2 Sorceress 2
3 Will O Wisp
4 Sorceress
5 The Ward
6 Wilde Flowers/Chrysalis
7 Spring
8 Fleeting Glance
9 Seventh Sojourn
10 Strange Brew

It was so hard to decided where to place my choices for 5-8, theyre all basically almost tied.

Love the vocal style Mikael using on songs like Sorceress 2 and Seventh Sojourn. I absolutely love the song "Ljudet Innan" on the Storm Corrosion album, so hearing Mikael sing like that again is such a treat for me. Perfection.

If you took the vocals out of "A Fleeting Glance", it totally sounds like it could be part of the soundtrack to a PS1 era Final Fantasy game. Like, walking into a new town, the place is kinda sketchy, and youre trying to track somebody down while meeting all the strange characters along the way. Its a very specific kind of atmosphere but somebody has to know what I'm talking about lol. Great composing.

LOVE The Ward. Fantasic bass line and guitar work, vocals very very strong.

Spring sounds like it could have just as easily been called "Burden II", awesome organ solo in the jam section.

What's not to love about Era? Lots of energy, catchy melodies in both the verse and chorus, cool, fun guitar riff. Axe is KILLING those drums, fucking awesome player. Reminds me of "Legend" from the newest Symphony X album. Very rockin' Dio vibe  :metal  Great way to close an album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 07, 2016, 08:12:52 PM
After another listen, I will say that the more mellow moments sound good, but nearly every time the music rocks, it is just a muddy mess.  And the songs overall remind me of Heritage, in that everything sounds nice when you listen to all of it, but there are very few grabbers.  Pale Communion was awesome because not only did it sound great, but the songs all had hooks everywhere, musically and vocally.  I have feeling Sorceress will end up being closer to Heritage for me: an album I like, but don't love. Time will tell.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mosh on October 08, 2016, 01:13:37 AM
The songwriting is good, but I feel there are many moments on this album that want to be heavy but they won't let it happen and that shows in the production. The result is a lot of muddy sounding riffs.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. SORCERESS
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 08, 2016, 01:42:17 AM

If you took the vocals out of "A Fleeting Glance", it totally sounds like it could be part of the soundtrack to a PS1 era Final Fantasy game. Like, walking into a new town, the place is kinda sketchy, and youre trying to track somebody down while meeting all the strange characters along the way. Its a very specific kind of atmosphere but somebody has to know what I'm talking about lol. Great composing.

Just listened to it with FF in mind and you're right, it totally has that sort of feel  :biggrin:

I'm loving this album after 3 listens. I'm glad my ear doesn't pick out issues with production like some of you guys. I really have no problem with the way it sounds to be honest. I easily prefer this over Heritage, which is my least favourite album, and so far more than Pale Communion as well.

I like that some of it has a slightly wild west feel in places. As I said in a previous post, I love the guitar solos and I like Mikael's vocal performance, he sounds different to how he has sounded on any other album, in places, and I personally love it. It's really growing and although it hasn't taken over my world it's at least met my expectations.

Also liking the bonus disc, the live tracks are great. Does anyone know where/when they were recorded as they have some sort of orchestration accompanying them. It gives the songs a really fresh feel, love it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 08, 2016, 08:53:43 AM
The live tracks were recorded in the ancient Roman amfitheater in Plovdiv, Bulgaria, in September of last year.
There was a full orchestra on stage with them.

Love that they recorded that show. Would have been a great show for a BlueRay...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 08, 2016, 09:01:48 AM
I really dislike the production of Sorceress. It is too bassy and the vocals are too low in the mix.
First time I listened it was just a jumbled mess to my ears. Now I use the equalizer to bring up the midrange some and the high even more. Works better for me.

Only listend three times yet.... songs are good but so far I like both Heritage and Pale Communion better.

Fantastically poetic way to write about his divorce...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on October 08, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
The live tracks were recorded in the ancient Roman amfitheater in Plovdiv, Bulgaria, in September of last year.
There was a full orchestra on stage with them.
Holy shit, they actually recorded it? That's great to know.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 08, 2016, 03:24:02 PM
I was a bit disappointed when I originally found out the bonus disk was mainly live recordings but these ones are great. I almost appreciate the songs even more than I already did. Good stuff.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 08, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
https://thequietus.com/articles/20946-opeth-mikael-akerfeldt-interview#

I didn't know The Wilde Flowers was influenced by Aerosmith's "Mia".
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: PROGdrummer on October 08, 2016, 06:06:22 PM
https://thequietus.com/articles/20946-opeth-mikael-akerfeldt-interview#

Interesting little passage from that interview regarding the structure of the title track and the transition between intro riffs:

"That came straight out of stupidity I think. I didn't have any better ideas. I was noodling around with that part that opens the song, the more fusion-esque sounding bit. I just had a little lick I started playing on the keyboard, a kinda swinging little piece. I thought maybe there's something I can do with this and I recorded that first section and then I went, 'What now?' I was sitting there for fifteen, twenty minutes and I couldn’t come up with anything that felt natural and I guess – I can't remember if the song would technically be in A from the beginning – I just tuned down the guitar much more than I've ever done before. I just tuned it down to A and I realised, 'Fuck, I have two A strings: is that good or bad?', and started playing this shuggah-shuggah part. And I thought, 'Why not', you know? As soon as I tuned down the guitar I came up with that riff. It's very simple but very effective. And it has that type of classic quality to it which had me continue and I finished that song the same day pretty much."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: rumborak on October 08, 2016, 06:59:41 PM
Random comment, there's some serious Ian Anderson in that album in places.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Big Hath on October 08, 2016, 09:28:48 PM
I just tuned it down to A and I realised, 'Fuck, I have two A strings: is that good or bad?'

 :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on October 09, 2016, 12:28:20 AM
I finally listened to the CD yesterday, and I've got to agree that the bass is way too loud. It got better when I changed the EQ settings of the stereo, and I hadn't noticed it while listening to the advance MP3 promo on my headphones.

As for the bonuses, Spring 1974 is amazing! The live versions of Cusp and Treason are cool, but I wish they'd included another clean live track instead of Drapery, because Mikael's growls just don't sound that good.
As I said in a previous post, I love the guitar solos and I like Mikael's vocal performance, he sounds different to how he has sounded on any other album, in places, and I personally love it.
Yeah, I'd say he's figured out how to fill the gap left by the growls and keep the vocals varied, though this is not to say that I thought his clean vocals were lacking on previous albums. They could make a really heavy album without growls and make it work if they wanted to.
I've seen very little appreciation for Sorceress (the song) in this thread, which surprises me. Maybe because everyone heard it before the album was released. But I think it absolutely rocks.
:iagree:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ariich on October 09, 2016, 03:32:10 AM
Am I the only person not hearing a problem with it being too bassy? It might be a question of EQ set up - I'm pretty sensitive to overly bassy music (plus it's annoying for other people) and so my EQ is set to keep it at a reasonable level and the whole idea of a sub-woofer is silly to me. So yeah Sorceress sounds a little bassy, but to me it all sounds in proportion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: rumborak on October 09, 2016, 06:22:58 AM
I have no issue with the bassiness either. It's the point of the song.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 06:33:34 AM
I hate when a band is stagnant in their sound.   They may not have a mix I love but I like the attempt to evolve or not stand still.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 09, 2016, 06:59:06 AM
Yep, no problems with the bass at all for me. To be honest I like it when I can hear the bass in music. My ear naturally picks out guitar and drums and a lot of the time I can't really make out the bass on many albums without consciously trying.

It doesn't effect my enjoyment of the album one bit.

?, I agree with you about Mikael's growls sounding off on the live version of Drapery. I wasn't sure if he was having an off day. I mean the last time I saw Opeth live was like '08 I think so his growls were still awesome at that point. Is this how his live growls pretty much always sound now?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: rumborak on October 09, 2016, 07:38:10 AM
I think Mikael (wisely) has turned down his growls live. I think he knows that you don't last long as a singer when growling full thrust every show.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 09, 2016, 08:42:09 AM
The new album is starting to grow on me...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 09, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
I think Mikael (wisely) has turned down his growls live. I think he knows that you don't last long as a singer when growling full thrust every show.

If you do it properly (in the physical sense), it's totally painless. Doesn't stop the degradation as you age, obviously, but the only way he "wouldn't last long" is if he didn't use proper technique at some point. This is possible, of course, though you'd figure both his singing voice and growl would both have degraded if he'd been doing it poorly for this long.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 12:44:10 PM
I disagree.   I does major damage over the years. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 12:56:30 PM
I disagree.   I does major damage over the years.
You does!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: JRuless on October 09, 2016, 01:04:56 PM
great style. heritage meets damnation 
needs time to sink in.

dislike the muddy, bassy sound, maybe the wanted this approach to get a 70ish vibe..
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 01:06:42 PM
I disagree.   I does major damage over the years.
You does!

Yuze shutz ups.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mosh on October 09, 2016, 01:07:21 PM
I recall a gig a few years ago where Mikael was sick and they altered the setlist slightly to include more growling material because it was easier on his voice (softer, doesn't use as much range). Could be completely making that up though.

Album is growing on me too. I enjoy a lot of the music but it seems like a missed opportunity at times. Could've been one of Opeth's more dynamic albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Evermind on October 09, 2016, 01:33:20 PM
I'm one listen in and I think this album could be as good as Pale Communion (which was nothing short of stellar in my book). This record will probably end up in my Top 5 of 2016.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on October 09, 2016, 04:07:20 PM
Has anyone seen what merch is Opeth bringing during this US tour?

Wanted to see if they are bringing their record label shirt on their European website.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: bl5150 on October 09, 2016, 04:13:14 PM
I disagree.   I does major damage over the years.
You does!

He has a mucus issue Tim.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 05:11:43 PM
I disagree.   I does major damage over the years.
You does!

He has a mucus issue Tim.

It's a Tim issue. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 05:34:24 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: King Postwhore on October 09, 2016, 05:56:53 PM
:metal

 :metal

BTW Tim, do you listen to Opeth?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2016, 06:05:48 PM
Not at all. I can make it through Ghost Reveries. Love the last track, especially that outro.

But I do not do growls, and I think Akerfeldt's clean voice is kind of lame. But they are an amazing band that I wish I did, in fact, like.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 10, 2016, 01:23:41 AM
But I do not do growls

You don't have to do them yourself to like this kind of music  ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on October 10, 2016, 01:48:58 AM
?, I agree with you about Mikael's growls sounding off on the live version of Drapery. I wasn't sure if he was having an off day. I mean the last time I saw Opeth live was like '08 I think so his growls were still awesome at that point. Is this how his live growls pretty much always sound now?
Mikael's growls started to decline on Watershed, where you can first hear his grunts get closer to shouting or speaking in a gruff voice, which is what his growling basically sounds like these days. He was probably at his worst on the Royal Albert Hall DVD - around the time Heritage came out he said he altered his growling technique when they started using in-ear monitors (during the Prog Nation 2009 tour), but they (or at least he) gave them up in 2011.

He's been a little better since then, but not nearly as good as before 2009, and he's become wildly inconsistent: Wacken 2015 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDW2C5O_1f8#t=7m31s) was an off day, but he sounds alright here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Ztdcz2Nik#t=6m25s). Mikael has done well every time I've seen them and the YT videos of the shows I've seen have sounded good too, but apparently he's not at his best at open air shows (which Plovdiv was).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zydar on October 10, 2016, 04:00:54 AM
I'm enjoying this more with each listen. It could be my favourite of their last three albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 10, 2016, 04:39:50 AM
I'm enjoying this more with each listen. It could be my favourite of their last three albums.

I'd definitely agree about it being my favourite of their last 3 releases. I'd rank:

1. Sorceress
2. Pale Communion
3. Heritage
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Pale Communion
Post by: wolfking on October 10, 2016, 05:17:22 AM
I'm listening to this album now, and I don't want to be negative but I'm just not digging the style the guys have found themselves in.  Heritage IMO was alright, but Pale Communion did nothing and this one is the same.  I'm happy for them that they are evolving and that people can appreciate, but I think Opeth are not for me anymore.  A shame because the older albums are so fucking brilliant and special but IMO they've lost a lot of their magic and charm now.  Maybe one day my opinion will change and I will give this album a few chances.  At the moment it will be the first Opeth album I won't buy.
Which means you didn't listen to the whole album, but you already have a review of it. Try listening to it a few more times and maybe you will change your mind. You cannot make a decision based on half a listen or one listen.

I also prefer the old Opeth and it took me a long time to get into Pale Communion because I didn't want to accept their change of style and I immediately disregarded anything that didn't sound like old Opeth. It is pretty hard to appreciate their new direction if you don't accept that they changed and that's it.

I definetily enjoyed the new album. I don't think it is fantastic or that it compares to old Opeth, but it is very good.

Perhaps you should read my comment a bit more closely.  I stated that I will give the album multiple chances and I hope one day my opinion will change.  I've listened to the whole album and my opinion at the moment is the same.  No problem with change either it's just obviuosly not for me right now.  I do want this album to grow, and I have never written off a band just because I don't agree with the direction they have taken.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: King Postwhore on October 10, 2016, 06:31:11 AM
Plus Wolfie has been on record with his takes on the last 2 albums not liking the direction.  You need to know people better here ChuckSteak.  Wolfie loves the earlier Opeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Podaar on October 10, 2016, 07:10:49 AM
Random comment, there's some serious Ian Anderson in that album in places.

Will O the Wisp!  Especially this line, "You're stuck to the failures of your life."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 10, 2016, 08:38:11 AM
I love this album. I think it's fantastic. Great lyrics on this one. 'When you're tired of waiting, when you you're tired of hating me.'
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 10, 2016, 09:05:48 AM
Excellent show last night in Chicago! Got to meet Akerfeldt, Axe and the bassist from The Sword (they gained a new fan!) Sound was awesome throughout, although I also noticed his growls were very quiet. Other than that, solid show!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on October 10, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
I think the Wilde Flowers is my favorite track of the album. Lots of great moments in the track, but favorite part is the heavy ending.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Podaar on October 10, 2016, 04:38:16 PM
At the risk of getting booed out of here.

This has begun popping into my head lately when the song "Sorceress" gets to the lyric, "You're a murderer."

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-05-2015/4VrTk1.gif)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 10, 2016, 10:08:14 PM
At the risk of getting booed out of here.

This has begun popping into my head lately when the song "Sorceress" gets to the lyric, "You're a murderer."

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-05-2015/4VrTk1.gif)

Precious must destroy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on October 11, 2016, 04:46:32 AM
At the risk of getting booed out of here.

This has begun popping into my head lately when the song "Sorceress" gets to the lyric, "You're a murderer."

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-05-2015/4VrTk1.gif)
"Attack me from behind" makes me think of "surprise butt secks" :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: wolfking on October 11, 2016, 05:38:34 AM
Plus Wolfie has been on record with his takes on the last 2 albums not liking the direction.  You need to know people better here ChuckSteak.  Wolfie loves the earlier Opeth.

Thanks heaps king!  :tup

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Podaar on October 11, 2016, 08:05:47 AM
Oh, another thing.

For me, the lead guitar work on the entire album is fantastic...inspired? First of all, I think they captured wonderful tones for the lead sound, so congrats to them and the engineer. But more than that, the lead breaks always seem appropriate, add to the drama, and are quite melodic yet still throw enough technical surprises at you to give them some  :omg:

The last break in "A Fleeting Glance" sounds just like something JP would assemble (sans the blinding fast picking he usually adds at the end).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 11, 2016, 08:22:44 AM
Anyone caught the several lyrical 'conceptual continuity' (C) FZ) yet? As in last line being the same as the first line of the next song? MAYH deja vous.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: PROGdrummer on October 11, 2016, 09:01:17 AM
Anyone caught the several lyrical 'conceptual continuity' (C) FZ) yet? As in last line being the same as the first line of the next song? MAYH deja vous.

I caught the "tired of waiting" from Wilde Flowers --> Will O Wisp, but that's it. What else are you seeing?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TioJorge on October 12, 2016, 03:14:52 PM
Heritage is always going to hold a special spot for me because of it's immense atmosphere and direct link to the gorgeous Storm Corrosion. But I definitely like Sorceress more than PC. Granted, that isn't saying all that much because while I don't dislike PC, it's just kind of "there" for me. I don't listen to it much, I don't get dem feels, it's just...an album. I do get some feelsy feels with certain moments in certain songs on Sorceress but honestly I prefer the more atmospheric and ambient side to the "new Opeth". That said, there are some great moments like that on Sorceress, and therein lies my cautious love for it.

Among the rebirth trio, Heritage still reigns supreme in my eyes though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2016, 07:11:30 PM


For me, the lead guitar work on the entire album is fantastic...inspired? First of all, I think they captured wonderful tones for the lead sound, so congrats to them and the engineer. But more than that, the lead breaks always seem appropriate, add to the drama, and are quite melodic yet still throw enough technical surprises at you to give them some  :omg:

The last break in "A Fleeting Glance" sounds just like something JP would assemble (sans the blinding fast picking he usually adds at the end).

I agree with everything here. :tup :tup

Really liking this album more and more.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Sacul on October 12, 2016, 09:45:23 PM
So on the prog site I'm in we made a collective review on Sorceress (https://progandtalk.wordpress.com/2016/09/24/roundabout-opeth-sorceress/), and I contributed a bit, if you're interested  :corn
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Crow on October 12, 2016, 09:56:48 PM
tell Frog that Slight Return is a Jimi Hendrix reference

i want to at least give some of the songs on the album another spin (probably a few of the non-singles) but atm i'm leaning towards outright ignoring this one, honestly
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Sacul on October 12, 2016, 10:30:03 PM
The only song I really dig is the self-titled one tbh. Maybe I'd like the album more if it came with character sheets for D&D :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 13, 2016, 12:45:59 AM
Looks like to me people have a very hard time accepting the 'new' Opeth. It was clear to me with the last album that they are not a 'deathmetal band from Sweden' anymore. Shame in a way because I also love their old sound, but things are what they are.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Crow on October 13, 2016, 12:50:23 AM
as someone who only really likes one metal Opeth album:
heritage isn't very interesting and pale communion is only a small step up. the material just isn't especially interesting.

though i am relistening to some sorceress tracks atm (basically seventh sojourn onwards, it ended up being) and there's some solid stuff here at the very least. strange brew and era are both pretty cool. still undecided on this one but i'm considering it more than i was previously, at the very least
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on October 13, 2016, 04:23:18 AM
Looks like to me people have a very hard time accepting the 'new' Opeth. It was clear to me with the last album that they are not a 'deathmetal band from Sweden' anymore. Shame in a way because I also love their old sound, but things are what they are.

For me it has nothing to do with their change in sound, I liked Pale Communion quite a bit, more than the majority did. But the songwriting and especially the production just feels so dull. I don't know, but the band is starting to feel uninspiring to the point where Sorceress sounded exactly like I expected it to, and not in a good way. I'd still like to be wowed and surprised and hear new ideas, and Sorceress didn't feel like that. Whether it's a progressive death metal album or a progressive 70s rock album, I still want to be impressed by something.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Podaar on October 13, 2016, 06:49:00 AM
I couldn't possibly disagree more. I think the album is full of fantastic ideas. Take "Era" for example.

Once the piano bit at the beginning is over, the rest seems so simple (monotonous?); the guitar just gallops along, keeping rhythm, leaning on the one note (or nearly) through two lengthy verses. The vocal melody isn't very dynamic either. But then you start to realize that the drums are where real musicality of the piece is. Axe is just killing it and I notice some new facet of his playing every time I hear the song. Where are the keys? Oh, there they are, subtly providing an expansion of the vocal melody. Then when the chorus kicks in, (even though the song is still going at the same pace) the tension release from the verses is brilliant. We get a soaring lead break with, once again, the drums providing the bulk of the background musicality to the guitar. Just gorgeous. The chorus comes back but doesn't over stay its welcome.

I understand that people, especially those who miss the ol' Opeth, might not like Sorceress. Calling this album "poor songwriting" and/or "uninspired" seems so off base to me that it's not even wrong.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 13, 2016, 07:23:14 AM
I agree. The guy who plays the keyboards and piano's and a list of other instruments, is one of the mvp's on this album. There's a lot of subtle play on here. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on October 13, 2016, 08:14:13 AM
The production is the main problem for me. I think the songwriting has its moments (Sorceress and Era in particular) and while it's not quite up there with Pale Communion, I would say it's better than Heritage. But it's so baffling to me that a band who have been active for over 20 years can put out an album that sounds so muddy when at this point they've established themselves and have creative freedom. This isn't a bad sounding debut album that ended up sounding bad because it was a debut album by a band unknown at the time, this is the 12th album by a band that is pretty well known in their genre, yet it's their worst sounding album by a margin and it was designed to sound that way.

There's a lot of people around the internet who have been playing around in ProTools and similar to create a version of Sorceress that is easier to listen to, and I think that says everything. It shouldn't be a "Do it Yourself"-experience where you make it listenable yourself. I'd be just as frustrated if Sorceress was progressive death metal with growls and sounded this mediocre.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 13, 2016, 10:45:27 AM
I haven't bought it yet. Been listening on YouTube though and spotify. I'm enjoying this a lot, I enjoyed Heritage. Pale communion not as much.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 13, 2016, 04:00:03 PM
It is an ok album. Nothing fantastic.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 13, 2016, 06:45:25 PM


I understand that people, especially those who miss the ol' Opeth, might not like Sorceress. Calling this album "poor songwriting" and/or "uninspired" seems so off base to me that it's not even wrong.

Agreed, but it's clear that some fans go out of their way to not like the new stuff.  Oh well, what can you do?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on October 13, 2016, 07:43:53 PM
I can never tell what exactly is meant by poor songwriting or uninspired. I mean what's the metric, how do you listen to a track and say well this was uninspired. Maybe since I'm not a musician, I always listen to music and just think if I like it or not.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on October 13, 2016, 08:24:47 PM
I don't think Sorceress is uninspired at all. I don't think Mikael is a musician that would just write for just releasing something. Didn't he say he scrapped all the first music written for Heritage?

My gripe with this album is the production, specially on the bass. Sometimes it just cuts through the other instruments pretty bad. I do like however, Mikael's singing on this one. He's a very underrated singer imo.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 13, 2016, 10:16:04 PM
I don't think Sorceress is uninspired at all. I don't think Mikael is a musician that would just write for just releasing something. Didn't he say he scrapped all the first music written for Heritage?
He said he can only write when the label puts pressure and there is a deadline to deliver the album. He also said that the worst albums to write were Deliverance and Damnation because they went into the studio without having written anything. I wish he would do that every time. :p
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 14, 2016, 12:15:23 AM
^^ Well that and the fact that the recorded material wouldn't sync up in the new studio they went into to mix and master them.... to the point of almost driving poor Michael to tears. It's all explained in the little documentary about those albums which can be found on 'Lamentations'. (which is, in its own right, excellent, btw).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 14, 2016, 02:08:35 AM
I can never tell what exactly is meant by poor songwriting or uninspired. I mean what's the metric, how do you listen to a track and say well this was uninspired. Maybe since I'm not a musician, I always listen to music and just think if I like it or not.

Yea, I've got to admit that I'm kinda with you on that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: BlackInk on October 14, 2016, 02:23:17 AM
It's just another way of saying "boring".
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on October 14, 2016, 02:35:45 AM
Uninspired to me is a band doing something they have done before but with an underwhelming result. Inspired songwriting, the contrary is when I go "wow they really pushed themselves here", or "they really went outside of their comfort zone and made something fresh".
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: kaos2900 on October 14, 2016, 06:24:22 AM
I can never tell what exactly is meant by poor songwriting or uninspired. I mean what's the metric, how do you listen to a track and say well this was uninspired. Maybe since I'm not a musician, I always listen to music and just think if I like it or not.

This. I think there could be basis to call out bad songwriting through music theory but saying something is uninspired is 100% subjective and there is no way to prove it unless the musician says they were not inspired.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Podaar on October 14, 2016, 07:13:41 AM
It's just another way of saying "boring".
Uninspired to me is a band doing something they have done before but with an underwhelming result. Inspired songwriting, the contrary is when I go "wow they really pushed themselves here", or "they really went outside of their comfort zone and made something fresh".

Then I suggest you folks just say what you mean. If you're bored, say you're find it boring. If you had unrealistic expectations, say you were expecting something else. Like kaos2900 said, if you know something about music theory and can explain how a composition is crafted wrong, let us know. I personally would be interested in the information.

By calling other people's creation "uninspired" or "poorly crafted" you are projecting your subjective feelings onto them. I maybe wrong, but it appears to be an attempt to transfer responsibility for your own feelings. Not necessarily you, BlackInk or Zantera, but we've all seen posters who act like bands make music they don't like to deliberatly piss them off. It doesn't add to the conversation, really. And before someone jumps on me about 'opinions', and their relative frequency to the appearance of rectums, I get it. We all have them. I enjoy a lovely debate and bout how cool or boring something is, bring it on, but the passive aggressive "they're shit now" (again, not directed at BlackInk or Zantera specifically) seems to be a conversation stopper.

Okay, the ol' guy is babbling again.

Carry on.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on October 14, 2016, 07:24:07 AM
Haha it's fine! I may come off as harsh on Sorceress but I'd still give it a 7/10 or so. Sure, I was hoping for a little bit more of evolution than we got, but I can't really blame Opeth for making the kind of music they want. I feel like with their older albums there was more of an evolution there. Orchid, Morningrise and then My Arms Your Hearse - you have a nice build-up to the first (IMO) masterpiece album they made. I was thinking Sorceress would be similar, that they would shoot higher than they did with PC and make an even more impressive album in that style, but unfortunately for me it was a bit of a step down again.

But oh well, maybe hearing some of the songs live would change my perspective on hearing the album again.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on October 14, 2016, 07:30:11 AM
Seeing them tonight in Austin  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Big Hath on October 14, 2016, 10:31:18 AM
tomorrow night in Dallas for me  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 14, 2016, 11:37:26 AM
Enjoy, guys. Awesome show!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2016, 04:48:46 PM
  I do like however, Mikael's singing on this one. He's a very underrated singer imo.

I think his singing is similar to his guitar playing, in that he is nothing special in either regard, but he puts enough personality into them that both have a unique charm that makes them very appealing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2016, 08:08:52 AM
Even though I always agree that Blackwater Park is one of the best three albums, I realized recently that I never listen to half of the songs from it.  Bleak and The Drapery Falls are two of my favorite Opeth songs, Harvest is also pretty great, and I love the laid back nature of the instrumental Patterns in the Ivy, but I almost never listen to the other four songs.  I admittedly have a hard time with just about any Opeth song that is all growls, which is why I rarely listen to the title track (which is a shame since it is chock full of awesome riffage and lead playing).  I love the mellow outros in both The Leper Affinity and Dirge for November, but neither has much else that makes me want to listen on any kind of regular basis.  The Funeral Portrait is probably the one I listen to the most of the four, but then we are back to that "all growls" thing.  :lol  Don't get me wrong, I like all of those songs, and I can easily turn the album on and listen to it from start to finish, but what I mean is, when doing random listening of Opeth songs, I will never go for any of those four.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on October 16, 2016, 08:16:05 AM
I never considered BWP one of the absolute best because I think both The Funeral Portrait and Dirge for November are two pretty dull songs by Opeth-standards and I would rank them both fairly low in the discography. So that's 15-20 minutes of "meh" right there, even though I love The Leper Affinity, The Drapery Falls, Bleak, Harvest and the title track.

As far as bang for the buck, I'd say Deliverance might be my favorite because 4 of the 5 "proper" songs are all in my top20 Opeth songs and I also have no problem with By the Pain I See in Others, which is a sell for some people. Deliverance, My Arms Your Hearse, Still Life and Ghost Reveries are all more consistent than BWP IMO.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2016, 08:20:16 AM
I have never been able to get into Wreath; that's a song I literally never listen to.

To me, Still Life and Ghost Reveries are the two best, because both are amazingly consistent and have very high highs (I'd probably put four songs from both in my Opeth top 20). 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 16, 2016, 12:45:07 PM
I love Dirge For November. The intro/outro are both so relaxing to listen to
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on October 16, 2016, 12:58:28 PM
The outro in Dirge for November is perfection and pure bliss. I can play it over and over again and just get lost in the beauty of it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Big Hath on October 16, 2016, 12:59:09 PM
the show last night was excellent.  Åkesson's solos are so well done, especially the Wilde Flowers solo.  Great set list!

Ghost of Perdition, Cusp of Eternity, Hex Omega and Deliverance were standouts, and the new songs came across well live.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 16, 2016, 01:44:18 PM
The Devil's Orchard and Cusp Of Eternity were way better live IMO.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 16, 2016, 07:16:42 PM
I'm really enjoying the new album. It might even spark an Opeth renaissance for me, as I haven't listened to them much these past few years.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Scar on October 18, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
This is a pretty old list, around 6 months ago. Do you guys agree?

www.loudwire.com/opeth-albums-ranked/

11. Heritage
10. Morningrise
9. Pale Communion
8. Watershed
7. Orchid
6. Damnation
5. My Arms Your Hearse
4. Deliverance
3. Still Life
2. Ghost Reveries
1. Blackwater Park

Morningrise is way to low and My Arms is way to high. Damnation and Orchid should be higher also.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Sacul on October 18, 2016, 08:44:05 PM
Damnation is too low, should be #1  :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Randaran on October 18, 2016, 08:49:20 PM
MAYH and Watershed are 4 and 6 spots too low, respectively.  :biggrin:

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 19, 2016, 02:52:38 AM
Watershed is my #2!! Waaaaaaay too low
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 19, 2016, 04:54:19 AM
This is a pretty old list, around 6 months ago. Do you guys agree?

www.loudwire.com/opeth-albums-ranked/

11. Heritage
10. Morningrise
9. Pale Communion
8. Watershed
7. Orchid
6. Damnation
5. My Arms Your Hearse
4. Deliverance
3. Still Life
2. Ghost Reveries
1. Blackwater Park

Morningrise is way to low and My Arms is way to high. Damnation and Orchid should be higher also.
I agree with the top 5. Damnation is way too high and Morningrise way too low.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: PixelDream on October 19, 2016, 09:10:14 AM
I thought Sorceress was much better than Pale Communion (which it still is in some areas IMO), but I just listened to Pale Communion and immediately noticed how much richer and nicer the overall production is.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: LudwigVan on October 19, 2016, 03:13:25 PM
The production on Sorceress is puzzling to me. The songs are great but I feel like I'm listening to it through a wet blanket.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mosh on October 19, 2016, 04:30:51 PM
The weird part to me is Opeth has consistently been one of the best produced Metal bands for years. This is the sort of bizarre mixing choice I'd expect Iron Maiden or Dream Theater to make, not Opeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: oh8wrx on October 20, 2016, 08:36:59 AM
Opeth with The Sword tonight in LA!  :) anyone else going?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: LudwigVan on October 20, 2016, 02:42:18 PM
Will O The Wisp has a definite Jethro Tull\Dun Ringill vibe. Even bits of the Mikael's vocal has an Ian Anderson-ish inflection.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: BlackInk on October 20, 2016, 03:01:28 PM
Listened through Heritage/Pale Communion/Sorceress today at work. I hadn't really noticed the production thing with Sorceress everyone's mentioning before, but it was really obvious when you'd gone through Pale Communion just before.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: oh8wrx on October 20, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Will O The Wisp has a definite Jethro Tull\Dun Ringill vibe. Even bits of the Mikael's vocal has an Ian Anderson-ish inflection.

YES! I thought that the first time i heard it too! Very much Ian Anderson-ish/Jethro Tull-ish
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: countoftuscany42 on October 20, 2016, 03:22:49 PM
Opeth with The Sword tonight in LA!  :) anyone else going?
Can't wait!! Never been to this venue, first time seeing Opeth in a GA setting  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: oh8wrx on October 20, 2016, 03:39:21 PM
Opeth with The Sword tonight in LA!  :) anyone else going?
Can't wait!! Never been to this venue, first time seeing Opeth in a GA setting  :metal

I've never seen them nor have I been to the venue...no idea what to expect!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: LudwigVan on October 20, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
Opeth with The Sword tonight in LA!  :) anyone else going?
Can't wait!! Never been to this venue, first time seeing Opeth in a GA setting  :metal

I've never seen them nor have I been to the venue...no idea what to expect!

Just saw them at Radio City Music Hall. My third time seeing them. Expect a great freaking show. Enjoy!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: 425 on November 01, 2016, 07:30:22 PM
Hey, just got Sorceress. Do I have a misprinted copy, or does everyone's CD look basically like an unfinished preliminary release? The CD label is just black and white and says "Modernolaget Opeth Sorceress Disc 1" with the Nuclear Blast logo at the bottom. Seems really incongruous with the rest of the packaging, so I was wondering if I accidentally got a promo copy or something (I don't see why given that I ordered straight up from Amazon, but I don't know). Thanks!

Edit: The Nuclear Blast website (https://shop.nuclearblast.com/en/products/sound/cd/2cd-digi/opeth-sorceress-2-cd-digipak-.html) is showing it as looking just like what I have. It just seems weird to me that they would intentionally release it with this label on the CD.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 01, 2016, 07:54:29 PM
Mines the same way.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 01, 2016, 08:02:25 PM
I think Modernolaget is Opeth's own record label that they launched recently. That's just the logo/style.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on November 02, 2016, 07:36:52 AM
Yeah, I bet they wanted to give it a vinyl type of look.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: 425 on November 05, 2016, 10:15:52 PM
Thanks, all! I won't worry about it, then. It just struck me as such a weird stylistic decision that I was concerned that it may have been an actual defect.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Scar on December 19, 2016, 09:04:01 PM
What do you guys think of the remastered version of Deliverance and Damnation??
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: seasonsinthesky on December 20, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
What do you guys think of the remastered version of Deliverance and Damnation??

It's come up a few times (including in the discography thread last week). I think it's trash. The DVD-A should have included the original mixes as options. Steven Wilson made barely any changes, but the changes he did make remove a lot of atmosphere. Bruce Soord just wrecked Deliverance.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TioJorge on December 21, 2016, 12:53:21 AM
Pretty much what I think as well. Haven't listened to it once since my initial first few sessions. I can't find anything redeeming about it and think it only had various things (like the aforementioned atmosphere) detracted from it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Scar on December 21, 2016, 10:54:08 PM
Ah, but why don't some people like Deliverance that much? I feel like this album was Martin Lopez's best performance and all the songs, they are unique in their own way. I mean, what's not to like about this album?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TioJorge on December 22, 2016, 02:32:38 AM
I mean, the album itself, the original? I love it. The remaster is void of all the things I love. Did they re-record the album? I thought it was just Wilson's production take... But yeah, I agree, there's not much to dislike about the album, the original. The remaster has loads to dislike, in my...ears.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zydar on January 24, 2017, 02:08:35 AM
Bump!

Official music video for 'Era'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98wXIjkO4i0
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on January 24, 2017, 04:00:55 PM
Cool video! :tup I like the band members' cameo.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mosh on January 24, 2017, 09:09:23 PM
Missed the Deliverance Damnation remix discussion.

Deliverance is OK. I think the music breathes a little better in places, but it wasn't the revelation I hoped it would be. I have it on vinyl but I've heard the CD has serious brickwalling problems.
They hardly did anything with Damnation, but Steven Wilson said as much when talking about the project. He thought it was fine as it was and just intended to touch it up. I'm fine with that because I agree with Steven. The album was fine as it was. I think this project was more meant to put the albums together.

As far as the Deliverance album goes, it has a lot of good things but they clearly weren't really interested in it. This biggest problem is that it's rushed. Overall feels like they didn't give it the same care and attention to detail as the previous two albums. In some places it works and you get a very direct aggressive sound, but you also get some moments that don't seem to go anywhere and some really repetitive parts (most of Wreath). I think it's better than it gets credit for though. Its biggest disadvantage is that it is bookended by easily the weakest tracks. Wreath is the worst song on the album and By the Pain I See In Others has some decent moments but is all over the place arrangement wise. The title track and A Fair Judgement are excellent, Master's Apprentices is just a step below those two.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: mike099 on January 25, 2017, 07:00:29 PM
I just found out that Opeth is going to be in Nashville, Tennessee at the War Memorial Auditorium(approx. 1,700 capacity) on May 4th with Gojira.  The venue is right across the street from where I work.  I am new to Opeth and so far have only bought the older cd's.  I will need to give the newer stuff a chance.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on February 03, 2017, 09:06:16 AM
Fredrik says they consider playing Black Rose Immortal live: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/opeth_the_song_fans_always_demand_us_to_play_its_20_minutes_long.html
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on February 03, 2017, 12:02:49 PM
I just found out that Opeth is going to be in Nashville, Tennessee at the War Memorial Auditorium(approx. 1,700 capacity) on May 4th with Gojira.  The venue is right across the street from where I work.  I am new to Opeth and so far have only bought the older cd's.  I will need to give the newer stuff a chance.  :metal

Just go. Don't think about it. The newer songs sound better in a live setting.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: mike099 on February 04, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
I just found out that Opeth is going to be in Nashville, Tennessee at the War Memorial Auditorium(approx. 1,700 capacity) on May 4th with Gojira.  The venue is right across the street from where I work.  I am new to Opeth and so far have only bought the older cd's.  I will need to give the newer stuff a chance.  :metal

Just go. Don't think about it. The newer songs sound better in a live setting.

Thanks for the comments.  Off the latest cd, I would love to hear the song  'Era' .  Catchy song with upbeat drum work.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on February 05, 2017, 06:17:45 AM
Fredrik says they consider playing Black Rose Immortal live: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/opeth_the_song_fans_always_demand_us_to_play_its_20_minutes_long.html
It would be interesting, but it is a bit too late. Akerfeldt doesn't come even close to reaching that high notes or agressive growls.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: gazinwales on February 05, 2017, 01:51:07 PM
Tonight is the prestigious gig at the Sydney Opera House.
Plus they are doing an in-store today for 200 lucky people signing an exclusive poster for tonight's gig.
Not a fan of the last 3 albums, but as already stated hopefully sounding better live. :metal

Never seen a gig at the Opera House and at $150AUS, it's the most I have ever paid to see a live band.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: mike099 on February 16, 2017, 09:30:53 AM
Anyone that has seen Opeth recently, do they perform any of the songs that have the harsh vocals?  I could take it or leave it on the harsh vocals, but love the music on the older stuff.  Of course some of those songs may sound strange without the harsh vocals.

Just listened to Still Life and the one - two punch of Serenity Painted Death and White Cluster is awesome.  :metal

I know most folks prefer the first two songs on the album as the one - two punch.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: nobloodyname on February 16, 2017, 09:38:12 AM
According to setlist.fm, yes.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Randaran on February 16, 2017, 12:24:36 PM
The recent setlist looks awesome. :drool:

I really hope they don't change anything for their upcoming US dates.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 16, 2017, 01:27:08 PM
That's a really good set.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on February 17, 2017, 12:01:23 AM
The recent setlist looks awesome. :drool:

I really hope they don't change anything for their upcoming US dates.
They played pretty much the same set in the US last fall, so they might change it up a bit in order to avoid repetition.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Serah Farron on February 17, 2017, 11:56:00 AM
Does anyone find A Fair Judgements solo to be one of the best if not the best Opeth solo to date? It's really amazing.

And the outro. That outro is really sick. It's like the ultimate game over or armageddon. Does anyone think that also?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: gazinwales on February 17, 2017, 12:05:15 PM
Here is my review of the recent show at the Sydney Opera House;

Yes Opeth’s highly anticipated gig at the world famous Sydney Opera House.
Their 4th and final special night of Opeth’s 'Sorceress, Damnation and Deliverance' played during the current world tour.

Until two weeks ago I was not going to this sold out show, but I just happened to arrange to meet a complete stranger (arranged through MP.com forum) on the night, hand over $150AU (the most expensive concert ticket I’ve ever purchased) and viola!

I had no idea about the setlist, though I was secretly praying that the boring retro 1970’s prog rock from the last 3 albums would be kept to a minimum.

I surprised myself by how much I enjoyed the newer material, given that when Opeth played here 2 years ago I walked out halfway though.

The sound was pretty good, but what really stood out was MA clean vocals, they sounded magnificent, the acoustics of the venue made his voice sore to heights that I have never heard before.
His growls however were not so good, buried very low in the mix, it was obvious that he had lost a lot of power, and for most almost inaudible, with the music drowning them out. Whether this was deliberate, I don’t know, but I would guess yes it was?

MA was in fine form, clean vocals, guitar playing and of course his legendary in between song banter and interaction with the crowd.
The rest of the band sounded pretty good, Frederik got a couple of solo’s, Mendez bass was inaudible all night and Axe drumming was ferocious.

All up a great night, possibly the first ever (death) metal band to play the Sydney Opera House, definitely the first death metal growls ever heard in the hallowed halls.

Setlist:

Sorceress
Ghost of Perdition
Demon of the Fall
The Wilde Flowers
Face of Melinda
The Devil's Orchard
Cusp of Eternity
Heir Apparent
The Drapery Falls

Windowpane
Death Whispered a Lullaby
Mikael then joked about Steven Wilson's lyric royalties and played the intro of 'Storm Corrosion'
In My Time of Need
Closure

Master's Apprentices
By the Pain I See in Others
Deliverance
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: mike099 on February 17, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
Does anyone find A Fair Judgements solo to be one of the best if not the best Opeth solo to date? It's really amazing.

And the outro. That outro is really sick. It's like the ultimate game over or armageddon. Does anyone think that also?

I am new to Opeth, but I had the Deliverance cd in the truck yesterday and love  A Fair Judgement.  The Opeth music has such great atmosphere.  When I see them in May it will be just me going.  I passed on taking the wife since she is mostly country and classic rock.  Of course I am kind of old and the show starts at 8:30( my bedtime), but will take off work the next day.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mosh on February 17, 2017, 08:46:07 PM
A Fair Judgement has incredible guitar solos. The tradeoff is also very Iron Maiden esque. The outro is probably the closest they've gotten to doom metal? Great stuff.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2017, 07:21:21 AM
Page 6?  Damn.

I tried listening to Sorceress recently, but in addition to the sound of it pissing me off (bass is way too loud), the songs are just boring. 

On the other hand, I am listening to Pale Communion as I type this, which is just as great as ever.  Love this record.  :hat
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Rattlehead on May 20, 2017, 03:12:44 PM
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I'm actually a big fan of the last 3 Opeth albums. I've grown to like Sorceress more over the last few months. Seeing them live twice since it came out helped, as all the new songs they played were excellent. The highlight of both shows was definitely Mikael's vocals though. His growling isn't very good any more, but his clean vocals seem to be the best they've ever been to me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2017, 06:03:33 PM
I'll take your word for it.  The end of The Wilde Flowers is a good example of how much the song of the album sucks. The overpowering bass makes it sound like nothing but noise, and honestly I am at the point where I am not putting up with CDs that have significant sound issues unless it is a really great album.  Which that album is not.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Rattlehead on May 24, 2017, 08:11:24 PM
That seems a bit harsh, but I guess we can agree to disagree. I've never considered myself an audiophile and I am not a musician, so I guess ignorance is bliss. The album doesn't sound perfect to me but I don't have that much of an issue with the sound.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on May 25, 2017, 12:03:12 AM
Opeth announced a show at Finlandia-talo in Helsinki, which is not your average metal venue. I wonder if Mikael has a checklist of all these prestigious places where he wants to play before calling it quits. :P

Speaking of that, am I the only one who has a feeling Opeth might not be around for too long anymore or at least not as active as right now? Mikael seems so bored in interviews, and he's talking about how much he misses his kids on the road and how he wants to start a record store. Maybe he's just going through a rough time and it'll get better, but I wouldn't be surprised if Opeth announced a hiatus/breakup or started to wind down a little bit.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on May 25, 2017, 12:20:54 AM
Mikael went through a divorce recently too, didn't he?

I also have the same feeling. He really seems bored.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on May 25, 2017, 12:39:32 AM
Mikael went through a divorce recently too, didn't he?
Whoa, really?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zydar on May 25, 2017, 01:01:49 AM
Mikael went through a divorce recently too, didn't he?
Whoa, really?

https://thequietus.com/articles/20946-opeth-mikael-akerfeldt-interview

"Although markedly different from those albums, Sorceress has something of the mood and tone of that work, driven by Åkerfeldt’s personal experience, including a recent divorce, more than a reflective, authored distance."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on May 25, 2017, 01:03:34 AM
I had absolutely no idea.  :omg:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on May 25, 2017, 06:21:16 PM
Sounds like it's time for another Storm Corrosion record. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mister Gold on May 25, 2017, 07:09:13 PM
Sounds like it's time for another Storm Corrosion record. :tup :tup

Honestly I bet Mikael would be happy as hell to make an album like that again. Not sure if Steven would be up for that style now, seeing as how his latest solo material seems to have shifted to a more modern prog style than the "old school" throwback style he was dabbling with when he made Storm Corrosion and then The Raven That Refused to Sing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mosh on May 25, 2017, 09:38:04 PM
I wouldn't have a problem with Mikael taking a break from Opeth and doing other things. He's mentioned folk albums before and I'd love to see him do more music with SW. There's really a lot more he could be doing and, frankly, the death metal stuff isn't sounding great live lately. Combine that with Sorceress being one of the weaker albums they've done and it seems like Opeth risks going stale. I'd like to see Mikael go in a different direction for awhile.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on May 25, 2017, 10:37:27 PM
I wouldn't have a problem with Mikael taking a break from Opeth and doing other things. He's mentioned folk albums before and I'd love to see him do more music with SW. There's really a lot more he could be doing and, frankly, the death metal stuff isn't sounding great live lately. Combine that with Sorceress being one of the weaker albums they've done and it seems like Opeth risks going stale. I'd like to see Mikael go in a different direction for awhile.

I get the feeling that he only plays some of the death metal live nowadays because he knows it would piss off too many fans if he didn't.  He's not giving the metal fans any new death metal stuff, but they are at least still getting some of it live, and he has to know that a percentage of fans would drop from the crowds if he stopped playing them altogether.

Sounds like it's time for another Storm Corrosion record. :tup :tup

Honestly I bet Mikael would be happy as hell to make an album like that again. Not sure if Steven would be up for that style now, seeing as how his latest solo material seems to have shifted to a more modern prog style than the "old school" throwback style he was dabbling with when he made Storm Corrosion and then The Raven That Refused to Sing.

SW is pretty good at bouncing from sound to sound in a short period of time. The new Blackfield album is nothing like his recent solo albums, for example. 

Besides, there is no rule that says a second Storm Corrosion album would have to be similar to the first.  :coolio
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on May 26, 2017, 02:34:28 AM
Mikael went through a divorce recently too, didn't he?
Whoa, really?

https://thequietus.com/articles/20946-opeth-mikael-akerfeldt-interview

"Although markedly different from those albums, Sorceress has something of the mood and tone of that work, driven by Åkerfeldt’s personal experience, including a recent divorce, more than a reflective, authored distance."
He actually got divorced as far back as 2011: https://teamrock.com/feature/2016-10-04/love-loss-and-learning-to-move-on-the-story-behind-opeths-sorceress

Poor man, that year must've been rough for him - he had to deal with his marriage falling apart and the vocal backlash following Heritage.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on May 26, 2017, 05:52:13 AM
Would ove for Mikael and Opeth to bring back the heavy and death metal sound back with clean vocals.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: nobloodyname on May 26, 2017, 05:59:54 AM
Poor man, that year must've been rough for him - he had to deal with his marriage falling apart and the vocal backlash following Heritage.

Perhaps his wife disliked Heritage as much as some fans :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2017, 05:01:32 PM
Okay, I gave Sorceress another whirl and remembered that the majority of the album sounds fine.  It's bizarre how they cranked the shit out of the bass for three songs (title track, The Wilde Flowers and Chrysalis), and then everything else sounds fine.  Weird.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Rattlehead on May 26, 2017, 05:41:33 PM
I haven't seen a lot of praise for Strange Brew, but I think it's one of their best songs from the last 3 albums. It took me longer to digest this album than Heritage and Pale Communion, but it's really clicking with me now and I think it's pretty underrated based off of the reactions I've seen.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 26, 2017, 09:11:59 PM
I haven't seen a lot of praise for Strange Brew, but I think it's one of their best songs from the last 3 albums. It took me longer to digest this album than Heritage and Pale Communion, but it's really clicking with me now and I think it's pretty underrated based off of the reactions I've seen.

Strange Brew is a great song. Definitely the best off of Sorceress
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on May 27, 2017, 05:11:16 AM
Strange brew took me a while. Still not one of my favorites on the album, but I appreciate some dark elements of it, such as the chilling intro and an extremely unsettling ending. Not to mention Mikael's aggressive vocal moments are remarkable.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2017, 06:21:55 AM
I think the bonus tracks, The Ward and Spring MCMLXXIV, are two of the best from the whole thing. From the proper album, Strange Brew is good, but I probably like Will O The Wisp, The Seventh Sojourn and Era the most.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mister Gold on May 31, 2017, 09:48:54 PM
Been on an Opeth kick lately, and I think My Arms Your Hearse just stole the top spot from Still Life for me. :metal :hefdaddy

I think part of it might be the shorter running time and (relatively) more compact epics. I love SL and BWP, but there's a certain tightness to MAYH that they don't have. Not to mention that incredibly spooky, unsettling tone the album and its concept has. It might not be the poetic Shakespearian tragedy that SL's narrative is, but the story would make for one hell of an Edgar Allen Poe tale.

And in contrast, I'm also really quite enjoying Damnation too. Great album to listen to during a rainy day.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: rumborak on June 01, 2017, 09:55:07 AM
Okay, I gave Sorceress another whirl and remembered that the majority of the album sounds fine.  It's bizarre how they cranked the shit out of the bass for three songs (title track, The Wilde Flowers and Chrysalis), and then everything else sounds fine.  Weird.

The way I see it, I think they were just going for that dirty, sticky sound. A bit of an homage to really old records where the technology wasn't quite there yet.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 09, 2017, 11:21:09 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/opeths_akerfeldt_working_on_project_with_devin_townsend_every_band_member_must_be_a_lead_vocalist.html

Opeth's Akerfeldt Working on Project With Devin Townsend: Every Band Member Must Be a Lead Vocalist
"That's been missing in music now, I think - people comfortable with singing lead vocals."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on June 10, 2017, 04:13:52 AM
Nice. I hope something good comes out of it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: pogoowner on June 10, 2017, 08:57:56 AM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/opeths_akerfeldt_working_on_project_with_devin_townsend_every_band_member_must_be_a_lead_vocalist.html

Opeth's Akerfeldt Working on Project With Devin Townsend: Every Band Member Must Be a Lead Vocalist
"That's been missing in music now, I think - people comfortable with singing lead vocals."

LOL at them shoehorning a Mike Portnoy mention into that article. He is not a lead singer by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Onno on June 10, 2017, 12:00:41 PM
Wow, that would be awesome!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 10, 2017, 01:33:46 PM
Maybe Gildenlöv as the other swede?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Rattlehead on June 10, 2017, 07:36:07 PM
Okay, I gave Sorceress another whirl and remembered that the majority of the album sounds fine.  It's bizarre how they cranked the shit out of the bass for three songs (title track, The Wilde Flowers and Chrysalis), and then everything else sounds fine.  Weird.

The way I see it, I think they were just going for that dirty, sticky sound. A bit of an homage to really old records where the technology wasn't quite there yet.

Bingo - I'm in total agreement with you there. I think this album was a bit tougher to digest at first for that reason.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zydar on October 04, 2017, 02:12:20 AM
Bump!

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/opeth_taking_a_sabbatical__then_planning_twisted_new_album_thats_not_for_everybody.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/opeth_taking_a_sabbatical__then_planning_twisted_new_album_thats_not_for_everybody.html)

Opeth Taking a Sabbatical & Then Planning 'Twisted' New Album 'That's Not for Everybody'.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on October 04, 2017, 03:29:17 AM
Weren't they planning a sabbatical already two years ago and then Sorceress came out of nowhere?  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 04, 2017, 06:19:01 AM
"New album that's not for everybody" sounds like they were pure mainstream up until now.   :D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on October 04, 2017, 06:39:41 AM
I haven't LOVED an Opeth album in a while so I wanna be excited about "something new", but I just know in my heart it will be another 70s sounding retro-style album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Herrick on October 04, 2017, 05:16:50 PM
Haven't they been making albums that weren't for "everyone" over the last 6 years or so?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: DTA on October 04, 2017, 05:48:46 PM
I always get the feeling that Mikael is extremely jealous of Steven Wilson and is trying desperately to outdo him or at least be perceived as as innovative and progressive as him. It's failing miserably and ruining Opeth in the meantime unfortunately.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 05, 2017, 08:46:27 AM
I always get the feeling that Mikael is extremely jealous of Steven Wilson and is trying desperately to outdo him or at least be perceived as as innovative and progressive as him. It's failing miserably and ruining Opeth in the meantime unfortunately.

Why would you think that?

Pale Communion and Sorceress still have that Opeth sound. Its not in the style of metal. Its more Rock now. I actually prefer it because it sounds more sinister than their past albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on October 05, 2017, 09:05:05 AM
I always get the feeling that Mikael is extremely jealous of Steven Wilson and is trying desperately to outdo him or at least be perceived as as innovative and progressive as him. It's failing miserably and ruining Opeth in the meantime unfortunately.

Interesting. I couldn't disagree more! Opeth just gets better and better. Heritage was a misstep but besides that each album for 10+ years has only gotten better and better, Pale Communion and Sorceress are two of my favorites. But, I also really don't care about several of their early albums. I don't think he's trying to outdo Steven at all and I doubt he's jealous. Mikael seems full of creativity, he's not eager to rest on his laurels and he's already trying to move on past Sorceress to the new stuff. That's an artist right there, I bet he's totally comfortable with what he's doing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: busty sinclair on October 05, 2017, 09:08:05 AM
I dont know what to think of opeth anymore. The last three records have been good there are songs I definitely like on each record but it just doesnt excite me as much. I can still go back to older records and get goosebumps listening to that stuff. I totally understand you cant do it forever and as much as i would miss the band i also think i would rather see them go out on a high note
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: majo on October 05, 2017, 01:46:26 PM
I always get the feeling that Mikael is extremely jealous of Steven Wilson and is trying desperately to outdo him or at least be perceived as as innovative and progressive as him. It's failing miserably and ruining Opeth in the meantime unfortunately.

Interesting. I couldn't disagree more! Opeth just gets better and better. Heritage was a misstep but besides that each album for 10+ years has only gotten better and better, Pale Communion and Sorceress are two of my favorites. But, I also really don't care about several of their early albums. I don't think he's trying to outdo Steven at all and I doubt he's jealous. Mikael seems full of creativity, he's not eager to rest on his laurels and he's already trying to move on past Sorceress to the new stuff. That's an artist right there, I bet he's totally comfortable with what he's doing.
Liked all the changes/progress they've made since Blackwater Park (still my favorite) except Heritage. Chapeau to them for always trying something different while remaining awesome.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 05, 2017, 03:50:28 PM
Opeth has been pretty much dead since 2005.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ZKX-2099 on October 05, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
Opeth has been pretty much dead since 2005.

Watershed was released in 2008.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: NoseofNicko on October 05, 2017, 04:51:40 PM
Opeth has been pretty much dead since 2005.

Watershed was released in 2008.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 05, 2017, 04:57:04 PM


Pale Communion and Sorceress still have that Opeth sound. Its not in the style of metal. Its more Rock now. I actually prefer it because it sounds more sinister than their past albums.

Agreed.  A lot of those songs are very much in the vein of the non-metal and/or non-growling songs from the 00s albums.  It still sounds like Opeth to me.  :coolio
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 05, 2017, 05:27:48 PM


Pale Communion and Sorceress still have that Opeth sound. Its not in the style of metal. Its more Rock now. I actually prefer it because it sounds more sinister than their past albums.

Agreed.  A lot of those songs are very much in the vein of the non-metal and/or non-growling songs from the 00s albums.  It still sounds like Opeth to me.  :coolio

I feel the same. Pale Communion felt like the natural step from Watershed. Instead, they took the pit stop which was Heritage, an album that I still really can't listen to. Sorceress was good as well. Again, felt like the next progression from Pale. Just wish they had removed the mud from in front of the amps.

Opeth has fallen on my list. For awhile, my top 2 bands were probably the Swedish contingent of Opeth and Katatonia. Now, I put Katatonia solidly above Opeth in terms of current material. Especially after Katatonia's last album.

I will always hold out hope that MA will surprise me with another stellar album. Opeth is still an auto-buy. Don't see that changing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 05, 2017, 08:44:35 PM
Opeth has been pretty much dead since 2005.

Watershed was released in 2008.
And Watershed is the worst album of their heavy ones. By far.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Herrick on October 05, 2017, 09:39:43 PM
Opeth has been pretty much dead since 2005.

Watershed was released in 2008.
And Watershed is the worst album of their heavy ones. By far.

Maybe but at least it's better than Heritage.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 05, 2017, 10:07:16 PM
Opeth has been pretty much dead since 2005.

Watershed was released in 2008.
And Watershed is the worst album of their heavy ones. By far.
I would disagree with that. A lot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 05, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Watershed is better than the first three Opeth records and Deliverance, if you ask me (plus Heritage and Sorceress).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: NoseofNicko on October 05, 2017, 10:18:01 PM
Watershed is better than the first three Opeth records and Deliverance, if you ask me (plus Heritage and Sorceress).

I think I agree with that.

It’s a fantastic album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 05, 2017, 10:25:15 PM
I might be in the minority but I hold Heritage as one of their best. Love it more than both PC and Sorceress.There is just something magical happening there to my ears.
And Deliverance..... the song espescially the ending is about the best music ever written. It just crushes me everytime.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on October 05, 2017, 11:23:05 PM
I actually like Watershed quite a bit, but I would say that was the start of the decline. Their first two albums were really good, but for me the golden era of Opeth started with My Arms Your Hearse and ended with Ghost Reveries (even though I don't love Damnation as much as some people). My Arms Your Hearse, Deliverance, Still Life & Ghost Reveries are my favorites.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: BlackInk on October 06, 2017, 12:26:33 AM
Like the new albums or not, Mikael definetely has a  big hard on for Steven Wilson.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Polarbear on October 06, 2017, 01:03:53 AM
I like the new style of Opeth much more than the old, seriously!

I still listen Pale Communion and Sorceress quite often. Can't remember the last time i listened to the old Opeth albums, other than Still Life and Blackwater..
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 06, 2017, 02:16:06 AM
I actually like Watershed quite a bit, but I would say that was the start of the decline. Their first two albums were really good, but for me the golden era of Opeth started with My Arms Your Hearse and ended with Ghost Reveries (even though I don't love Damnation as much as some people). My Arms Your Hearse, Deliverance, Still Life & Ghost Reveries are my favorites.
I agree.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: kaos2900 on October 06, 2017, 06:20:17 AM
I actually like Watershed quite a bit, but I would say that was the start of the decline. Their first two albums were really good, but for me the golden era of Opeth started with My Arms Your Hearse and ended with Ghost Reveries (even though I don't love Damnation as much as some people). My Arms Your Hearse, Deliverance, Still Life & Ghost Reveries are my favorites.

This. Though Deliverance isn't my favorite but it's still solid. I also think you missed Blackwater Park.  ;)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on October 06, 2017, 06:32:48 AM
I mean Blackwater Park is definitely great. Personally I would put it just below those 4 I mentioned. While it does have some of their best songs (title-track, Leper Affinity, Bleak, Drapery Falls & Harvest), I feel like the rest just pales in comparison, and while I don't dislike Dirge for November or The Funeral Portrait, I would say they are 2 of the weaker songs from the golden era of Opeth. Meanwhile on Deliverance, Ghost Reveries, Still Life & My Arms Your Hearse, I think the lowest points are better and the higher points are still strong.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ariich on October 06, 2017, 07:26:50 AM
Deliverance is kinda meh overall, though it has the odd great moment. Same for their first three albums - of those four, MAYH is probably the strongest as it's very atmospheric.

For me, their best albums are BWP and GR, easily.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: emtee on October 06, 2017, 07:47:31 AM
Every time he starts talking about making a new album, for many years, he uses the same type of words...'dark' 'twisted' 'evil'
so in that sense this will be no departure from the norm. Now if he said 'I want to make an uplifting album' THEN I would say
whoa...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 06, 2017, 08:04:54 AM
Deliverance is kinda meh overall, though it has the odd great moment. Same for their first three albums - of those four, MAYH is probably the strongest as it's very atmospheric.

For me, their best albums are BWP and GR, easily.

Add Damnation to the best albums at #3 and that's excatly how I feel.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ariich on October 06, 2017, 08:15:44 AM
Haven't they been making albums that weren't for "everyone" over the last 6 years or so?
More like 22 years.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on October 06, 2017, 08:30:47 AM
Every time he starts talking about making a new album, for many years, he uses the same type of words...'dark' 'twisted' 'evil'
so in that sense this will be no departure from the norm. Now if he said 'I want to make an uplifting album' THEN I would say
whoa...

In his defense, River makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  :biggrin:

And I like Watershed way more than Blackwater Park actually. It's my favorite Opeth album...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: busty sinclair on October 06, 2017, 08:39:10 AM
I absolutely LOVE watershed. It sucked me in right off the bat with coil. i'm sucker for that girls voice and the double reed instruments. I still get goosebumps when i listen to heir apparent. Ghost reveries is still my favorite but this isnt too far behind. I think if you look at opeths entire catalog. Thats the most opeth sounding record you can see where they're going to go with the non metal stuff but you can see where they've been.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 06, 2017, 12:30:21 PM
Watershed is good, but coming off of GR, it’s a bit of a slump. The only way I can enjoy it is if I not compare the 2.

As for the 3 most recent releases, PC is by far the best. The only one out of the 3 I can consider a classic Opeth album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: RandalGraves on October 09, 2017, 02:18:49 PM
I'm a little taken aback from the Watershed/Heritage hate. Well, not "hate" per se, but "lack of like!" Watershed is my favorite of their albums. Coming off GR, it feels and sounds a little more organic. It's got some of their most beautiful melodies and heaviest moments (Heir Apparent, baby!). Heritage was certainly a shock, but there was something special about that album too. They went full-tilt with the style, and Axenrot absolutely kills it. Love the atmosphere, love all the tracks. Both Pale Communion and Sorceress have really seemed like lesser versions of Heritage for me. But to each their own. Either way, I'd love to see Opeth crank out something heavier in the future, but I imagine this is the route Ackerfeldt want's to go these days.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on October 09, 2017, 02:26:32 PM
That drum solo in Porcelain Heart is what sold me on Axe's place in the band. Haunting!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 09, 2017, 02:31:15 PM
The upcoming issue of Prog has an exclusive live CD of Opeth and an interview with Mikael Åkerfeldt.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1519586944747270&id=157808174258494

My issue is shipped.... just wanted to give you a heads up.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on October 09, 2017, 03:07:14 PM
I don't live anywhere near where I could possibly get this magazine and I'm not a subscriber. I don't know if I can just order this issue somehow...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 09, 2017, 03:08:27 PM
I'm a little taken aback from the Watershed/Heritage hate. Well, not "hate" per se, but "lack of like!" Watershed is my favorite of their albums. Coming off GR, it feels and sounds a little more organic. It's got some of their most beautiful melodies and heaviest moments (Heir Apparent, baby!). Heritage was certainly a shock, but there was something special about that album too. They went full-tilt with the style, and Axenrot absolutely kills it. Love the atmosphere, love all the tracks. Both Pale Communion and Sorceress have really seemed like lesser versions of Heritage for me. But to each their own. Either way, I'd love to see Opeth crank out something heavier in the future, but I imagine this is the route Ackerfeldt want's to go these days.

I mean, Watershed is probably my #2 Opeth album, behind GR. I think it is great, I got into Opeth when GR came out so Watershed was the first album of theirs that I eagerly anticipated. It totally delivered. By the time it came out I hadn't heard all of Opeth's back catalogue (think I'd bought BP and SL but they were the only other albums I'd heard). By the time Heritage dropped I was totally in love with Opeth and think the only albums I'd not heard were Orchid and Morningrise. Heritage was such a disappointment for me, I still find it a really dull listen. I don't have a particular issue with the change in direction they took as I really like PC and Sorceress. I dunno, I think Heritage was nothing like what I was expecting and I still can't listen to it without feling that disappointment I initially felt. Shame really but there you have it.

The upcoming issue of Prog has an exclusive live CD of Opeth and an interview with Mikael Åkerfeldt.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1519586944747270&id=157808174258494

My issue is shipped.... just wanted to give you a heads up.



Got mine in the post yesterday  :corn not listened to it yet though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 09, 2017, 03:09:41 PM
I don't live anywhere near where I could possibly get this magazine and I'm not a subscriber. I don't know if I can just order this issue somehow...

If you just want the CD I could just send it to you after I've put it on my laptop?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on October 09, 2017, 03:24:11 PM
I don't live anywhere near where I could possibly get this magazine and I'm not a subscriber. I don't know if I can just order this issue somehow...

If you just want the CD I could just send it to you after I've put it on my laptop?

I wouldn't mind that, I'll pay of course :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on October 09, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
Heritage was certainly a shock, but there was something special about that album too. They went full-tilt with the style, and Axenrot absolutely kills it. Love the atmosphere, love all the tracks. Both Pale Communion and Sorceress have really seemed like lesser versions of Heritage for me.
You know what? I kind of agree with you - to me it feels like Heritage is the album Mikael had always wanted to make and is the purest representation of the music he loves, and the fact that he named it the album he wants to be remembered for in this article from last spring (https://teamrock.com/feature/2017-04-03/the-10-records-that-changed-opeth-frontman-mikael-akerfeldts-life) echoes that. While PC is decent and Sorceress pretty solid, I love Heritage for its "screw everyone's opinions, let's do whatever the hell we like" spirit.

I think after Heritage Mikael (and co.) didn't want to repeat the exact same formula, yet he didn't want to go back to the roots either, so the latest 2 feel a little bit watered down in comparison and don't have as strong and clear a vision behind them. When PC came out he admitted that Heritage was pretty crazy and that PC would be more listener-friendly (not radio-friendly, mind you), and I remember one interview where he was talking about the title-track of Sorceress and how heaviness seems to be such a big deal to some fans, which almost made it sound like he wrote the song just so he could go to the metal audience and say "well, here's some heavy shit for ya - happy now?"

In other words, it looks like Mikael sees Heritage as the culmination of his career and these latest albums have just been slightly more accessible and heavier takes on that sound, but that's just my theory. I hope the next album will take them in a new direction once again - after all, a trilogy of 70s prog is probably enough, and I'd like to think that the lyrics of Era hint at the start of another chapter in the band's history. /ramble
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: pogoowner on October 09, 2017, 06:49:12 PM
I might be in the minority but I hold Heritage as one of their best. Love it more than both PC and Sorceress.There is just something magical happening there to my ears.
Heritage is a fantastic album, and it's easily better than the last two, in my opinion. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SwedishGoose on October 09, 2017, 09:28:48 PM
I don't live anywhere near where I could possibly get this magazine and I'm not a subscriber. I don't know if I can just order this issue somehow...

It is pissible both to buy single issues and to subscribe worldwide... i have tried both.

Unfortunately they seem to use pigeons for delivery as it takes weeks... worth the wait though in my opinion

Anywy it can be bought from here:

https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/prog-magazine-subscription/?force_sid=a4o5a31kfu4b53qtren6s34gq3
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2017, 07:27:44 PM
Heritage was certainly a shock, but there was something special about that album too. They went full-tilt with the style, and Axenrot absolutely kills it. Love the atmosphere, love all the tracks. Both Pale Communion and Sorceress have really seemed like lesser versions of Heritage for me.
You know what? I kind of agree with you - to me it feels like Heritage is the album Mikael had always wanted to make and is the purest representation of the music he loves, and the fact that he named it the album he wants to be remembered for in this article from last spring (https://teamrock.com/feature/2017-04-03/the-10-records-that-changed-opeth-frontman-mikael-akerfeldts-life) echoes that. While PC is decent and Sorceress pretty solid, I love Heritage for its "screw everyone's opinions, let's do whatever the hell we like" spirit.

I think after Heritage Mikael (and co.) didn't want to repeat the exact same formula, yet he didn't want to go back to the roots either, so the latest 2 feel a little bit watered down in comparison and don't have as strong and clear a vision behind them. When PC came out he admitted that Heritage was pretty crazy and that PC would be more listener-friendly (not radio-friendly, mind you), and I remember one interview where he was talking about the title-track of Sorceress and how heaviness seems to be such a big deal to some fans, which almost made it sound like he wrote the song just so he could go to the metal audience and say "well, here's some heavy shit for ya - happy now?"

In other words, it looks like Mikael sees Heritage as the culmination of his career and these latest albums have just been slightly more accessible and heavier takes on that sound, but that's just my theory. I hope the next album will take them in a new direction once again - after all, a trilogy of 70s prog is probably enough, and I'd like to think that the lyrics of Era hint at the start of another chapter in the band's history. /ramble

Interesting post.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TioJorge on October 11, 2017, 12:54:17 AM
I might be in the minority but I hold Heritage as one of their best. Love it more than both PC and Sorceress.There is just something magical happening there to my ears.
Heritage is a fantastic album, and it's easily better than the last two, in my opinion.

This. I love the shit out of it. Marrow Of The Earth alone has more mysticism and quiet beauty than the last two albums combined to my ears. It makes it ten fold better than it's in the trilogy of being thematically connected to the almighty Storm Corrosion and the equally beautiful Grace For Drowning. I thought that was so awesome when they announced the three albums are a trilogy and I always try to listen to them together whenever I can...which isn't often, sadly. But there's definitely a kind of spiritual connection, despite there being only minor connections musically.

At this point, funny enough... much like Porcupine Tree, I wouldn't mind Opeth breaking apart and seeing what Akerfeldt does with a completely fresh slate and his own imagination and want to take him wherever he pleases. Although I will say this much: I think Akerfeldt has a lot more control over Opeth than Wilson did over PT, so it might not be as drastic of a change as PT to Wilson solo was.

Even so, a very big part of me is expecting more along the lines of what we've gotten the last couple albums but with perhaps a slightly different take. A small part is really excited to hear what they come up with. Expecting the worst, hoping for the best.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on October 11, 2017, 01:51:18 AM
I remember Mikael introducing Lines in my hand in a concert a few years ago as a song from their least popular album, but they will proceed to play it since they personally love the album. The song went over well and Mikael seemed happy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Evermind on October 11, 2017, 02:43:07 PM
I remember Mikael introducing Lines in my hand in a concert a few years ago as a song from their least popular album, but they will proceed to play it since they personally love the album. The song went over well and Mikael seemed happy.

I've just returned from the Opeth gig and they've played nothing from Heritage, which is unfortunate, as I like the album a lot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 12, 2017, 03:08:54 AM
The upcoming issue of Prog has an exclusive live CD of Opeth and an interview with Mikael Åkerfeldt.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1519586944747270&id=157808174258494

My issue is shipped.... just wanted to give you a heads up.

Just listening to the live CD now. I don't know if Mikael was just having a bad night but his harsh vocals are way off at times. I know they have probably deteriorated but it's sad. At times he still nailed it but some of it sounded pretty bad.

Last time I saw Opeth live was '08 and his vocals were still spot on then. I'm going to see them next month and I really hope his vocals are on form that night. It's still a pretty cool live CD though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on October 12, 2017, 03:44:06 AM
That's the concert I was talking about, I was there. To be honest, I was way too excited to see Opeth with an orchestra and a choir, the whole experience was so overwhelming and beautiful that I really don't remember noticing something was off with Mikael's vocals. I really don't recall.

I have to listen to the live release of that concert, I'm happy they recorded it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 12, 2017, 03:48:09 AM
Are the live tracks from the Sorceress bonus cd from that gig?

If so Mikael sounds good on the clean vocals but horrible on the growls in Drapery. But then those live recordings sound a bit muddy anyway.

I always thought he gave up the growls from Heritage on because he didn't want to make this kind of music anymore, but if he sounds like this maybe it's also because he can't do this kind of music anymore.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ErHaO on October 12, 2017, 06:13:46 AM
Are the live tracks from the Sorceress bonus cd from that gig?

If so Mikael sounds good on the clean vocals but horrible on the growls in Drapery. But then those live recordings sound a bit muddy anyway.

I always thought he gave up the growls from Heritage on because he didn't want to make this kind of music anymore, but if he sounds like this maybe it's also because he can't do this kind of music anymore.

That is always how it seemed to me. I recall hearing the second live release of Bloodbath and Mikeal sounds awful there (compare their two releases, the difference is massive). He blamed the earpieces then but I honestly doubt it, since he sounded the same in Opeth. That said, in recent live (festival) recordings I have heard he sounded pretty good in terms of growling.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on October 12, 2017, 04:26:03 PM
Are the live tracks from the Sorceress bonus cd from that gig?

If so Mikael sounds good on the clean vocals but horrible on the growls in Drapery. But then those live recordings sound a bit muddy anyway.

I always thought he gave up the growls from Heritage on because he didn't want to make this kind of music anymore, but if he sounds like this maybe it's also because he can't do this kind of music anymore.

That is always how it seemed to me. I recall hearing the second live release of Bloodbath and Mikeal sounds awful there (compare their two releases, the difference is massive). He blamed the earpieces then but I honestly doubt it, since he sounded the same in Opeth. That said, in recent live (festival) recordings I have heard he sounded pretty good in terms of growling.
Yeah, in the pro-shot summer festival videos I've seen from this year his growls sound a little better than in recent years - maybe quitting smoking helped? He throws in a few high screams here and there, and at a few points you can almost imagine it's 2008 again if you close your eyes. :D

BTW, I'm going to see Opeth live on Monday and interview Fredrik before the show :caffeine: I've got a load of questions in mind already, but if you've got any cool ones, feel free to shoot them my way. :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2017, 06:19:41 PM
I don't care how well you take care of your voice, growling like that has to take a major toll on it, and I get why he doesn't do it as much and doesn't sound as good when doing it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 13, 2017, 12:28:19 AM
I thought/think that as well, but some time ago there was an article in our local newspaper where they said that if done right, growls have no more effect on the vocal chords than singing. They interviewed some growlers (that I didn't know apart from Angela Gossow) and some vocal/singing coaches. That article sounded legit, so maybe it's all a matter of the right technique?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on October 13, 2017, 01:58:10 AM
The weird part is that, if growling takes toll on your voice, how come your clean vocals aren't effected as well?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 13, 2017, 02:17:13 AM
Just listening to the live CD now. I don't know if Mikael was just having a bad night but his harsh vocals are way off at times. I know they have probably deteriorated but it's sad. At times he still nailed it but some of it sounded pretty bad.

Last time I saw Opeth live was '08 and his vocals were still spot on then. I'm going to see them next month and I really hope his vocals are on form that night. It's still a pretty cool live CD though.
No wonder. His growls have been getting worse since 2005.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 13, 2017, 03:08:52 AM
Can't talk about live but on record I find him strongest from Blackwater Park (2001) to Watershed (2008).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: gazinwales on October 13, 2017, 03:33:41 AM
Yes at the Sydney Opera House earlier this year, his clean voice was amazing with the venue's acoustics, his growls were not good, very low in the mix and didn't sound anywhere near his best.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on October 13, 2017, 06:32:23 AM
The weird part is that, if growling takes toll on your voice, how come your clean vocals aren't effected as well?

Good question. He can speak just fine though, right? Clean singing isn't as taxing an extension on that as growling is.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on October 20, 2017, 12:38:13 AM
My interview with Fredrik was cancelled due to the band's tight schedule :sad: I still got to see the show though, and my report is here: https://www.musicalypse.net/opeth-w-hexvessel-finlandia-talo-helsinki-16-10-2017-english/

More photos here: https://www.musicalypse.net/opeth-w-hexvessel-finlandia-talo-helsinki-16-10-2017/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on August 17, 2018, 04:46:38 AM
:bump:

New live DVD/Bluray coming in November: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/opeth-to-release-garden-of-the-titans-live-at-red-rocks-amphitheater-in-november/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on August 17, 2018, 05:26:17 AM
That video included is awesome. The venue looks incredible. Can't wait to pick this up.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: lucasembarbosa on August 17, 2018, 05:47:33 AM
Awesome, indeed! Too bad the setlist is short and there's just one song from Pale Communion.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 17, 2018, 08:02:39 AM
I think that is the first time I have ever seen a drummer playing with a leather jacket. But in my view, this release is totally unnecessary, irrelevant even. Yes, the venue looks awesome and the sound is good, but most of the songs were already played live in other live albums. Not only that, but Mikael's growls don't sound nearly as good as they used to. I don't see the point of releasing a new live album with songs they have been playing for years on every tour. There isn't anything new there, only the songs from Sorceress.

The setlist is also very short. But it is similar to the Roundhouse Tapes. At least there they included songs that had never appeared in live albums before and Mikael's growls were still acceptable.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on August 17, 2018, 08:26:01 AM
Definitely a very short setlist, I'm just glad we're getting something rather than nothing.

From the setlist

01. Sorceress (live)
02. Ghost Of Perdition (live)
03. Demon Of The Fall (live)
04. The Wilde Flowers (live)
05. In My Time Of Need (live)
06. The Devil's Orchard (live)
07. Cusp Of Eternity (live)
08. Heir Apparent (live)
09. Era (live)

10. Deliverance (live)

we are getting 6 songs that haven't been released before so something better than nothing. I didn't get to see them on tour at all so this is my only window to their live performances.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 17, 2018, 08:38:50 AM
A live version of Cusp of Eternity has been released on the Sorceress' second disc. There are also a couple of live versions on youtube from festivals such as Wacken.

Heir Apparent has been released in the live album "The Devil's Orchard - Live At Rock Hard Festival 2009" and has also been played on every tour (like Cusp of Eternity) and also has official videos from festivals such as Wacken.

The Devil's Orchard is the same thing. Overplayed, featured on live cd, featured in official videos from festivals. It was also released in the live album from Plovdiv:

https://www.discogs.com/Opeth-Enslaved-Opeth-Enslaved/release/10967425

Deliverance and Demon of the Fall are also there... And this was last year..

The other songs that you didn't mention: Ghost of Perdition, Demon of the Fall, In My Time of Need, Deliverance all appeared on live albums and/or DVDs. Aside from that, they have been played over and over again on almost every tour.

So what you are getting are 3 new songs which didn't appear on live records nor DVDs. All the rest did.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on August 17, 2018, 08:51:23 AM
Did not know about those releases at all. I was comparing the highlighted songs to the previous official live releases. How's the sound quality on the two live releases?

They appear to be magazine bonuses, are they just as good as official recordings?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on August 17, 2018, 09:46:52 AM
Did not know about those releases at all. I was comparing the highlighted songs to the previous official live releases. How's the sound quality on the two live releases?

They appear to be magazine bonuses, are they just as good as official recordings?
The sound quality of both releases have the same quality as any official live recording. And the videos from festivals were pro-shot, even though they were not officially released.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TioJorge on August 17, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Man, I miss these guys. I hope we get one more studio album. All indications point to the band, and mainly Mikael, kind of teetering out but I still love the direction they took with basically having to let the growls go.

Still my absolute go-to and favorite Fall/Winter band.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on August 17, 2018, 10:09:26 AM
They appear to be in the process of writing a new album with the aim of releasing it in Q1 2019. I too love post growl Opeth just as much as pre growl, though I'm willing to bet I'm in the minority with that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on August 17, 2018, 10:42:37 AM
They appear to be in the process of writing a new album with the aim of releasing it in Q1 2019. I too love post growl Opeth just as much as pre growl, though I'm willing to bet I'm in the minority with that.

Would love to have a heavy Opeth album (like GR, Blackwater, Deliverance) but without the growls. The 70s sounding Opeth really bores me to death.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 17, 2018, 11:20:31 AM
They appear to be in the process of writing a new album with the aim of releasing it in Q1 2019. I too love post growl Opeth just as much as pre growl, though I'm willing to bet I'm in the minority with that.

I'm with you there.... both eras are amazing
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on August 17, 2018, 11:30:19 AM
Fredrik said back in July that Mikael already has nearly 12 songs written for a new album.

https://www.prog-sphere.com/specials/opeth-fredrik-akesson-about-next-album/

“We’re very much into the demoing. I’ve recorded a lot of solos so far. And Mikael [Akerfeldt, guitar/vocals] has almost already written 12 songs for the new album, so we have more material than enough for an album. But I think we will at least try to finish 15 songs. So hopefully we’ll work on song ideas very soon.“

Saying the band is aiming to release the record during the first quarter of 2019, Fredrik added:

    “I’m not sure if it’s gonna happen, but we’re working towards that, and the songwriting goes very well. Mikael has been very productive these last… since January, basically. We did the last touring for ‘Sorceress‘ in November.“

As for the musical direction of the fresh material, Akesson said:

    “Compared to the last three albums, I would say, if I can reveal anything, this album is more complex, more energetic, and I think it’s gonna be something.“
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: me7 on August 17, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
Sorceress sounds so pleasant without the artificial production.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Train of Naught on August 17, 2018, 11:54:13 AM
    "I think it’s gonna be something.“
This sounds like Parama anticipating a mediocre album
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on August 17, 2018, 02:25:38 PM
Sorceress sounds so pleasant without the artificial production.
Yeah, this is so much better than the studio version. Although I don't have a problem with the retro production on the latest few albums (except for the overmuddy Sorceress), I wouldn't mind at all if they tried to capture their live sound on the next album, because it makes the songs sound beefier.
A live version of Cusp of Eternity has been released on the Sorceress' second disc. There are also a couple of live versions on youtube from festivals such as Wacken.

Heir Apparent has been released in the live album "The Devil's Orchard - Live At Rock Hard Festival 2009" and has also been played on every tour (like Cusp of Eternity) and also has official videos from festivals such as Wacken.

The Devil's Orchard is the same thing. Overplayed, featured on live cd, featured in official videos from festivals. It was also released in the live album from Plovdiv:

https://www.discogs.com/Opeth-Enslaved-Opeth-Enslaved/release/10967425

Deliverance and Demon of the Fall are also there... And this was last year..

The other songs that you didn't mention: Ghost of Perdition, Demon of the Fall, In My Time of Need, Deliverance all appeared on live albums and/or DVDs. Aside from that, they have been played over and over again on almost every tour.

So what you are getting are 3 new songs which didn't appear on live records nor DVDs. All the rest did.
Eh, festival streams generally sound terrible, and the Rock Hard recording and the Plovdiv live came with magazines and therefore weren't very easily available. This is the first time we're getting Heir Apparent, Cusp of Eternity and The Devil's Orchard on an official full-length live video. That said, I wish they'd also played some of the stuff that they did on the UK tour last November, namely Moon Above, Sun Below, Hessian Peel and Häxprocess: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2017/o2-ritz-manchester-england-53e0832d.html
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 17, 2018, 05:48:58 PM
That was an awesome setlist! Had me super jealous for sure!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Elite on August 25, 2018, 06:44:28 AM
I found this article online, and I don't know if it has ever been posted before, but I found this an interesting and at times funny read. You may not agree with the order the author puts the albums in (I did not), but the historic perspective he gives on the band's albums is quite detailed and well thought out.

https://www.stereogum.com/1902979/opeth-albums-from-worst-to-best/franchises/counting-down/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on September 07, 2018, 12:40:44 PM
Demon of the Fall from the DVD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOwmZwpQkrs)

Looks like they had another technical mishap with the guitar like the one in The Lotus Eater on RAH :P Mikael's growls have audibly improved since The Drapery Falls from Plovdiv - good thing he stopped smoking. They'll probably never be as good as pre-2008, but the worst phase seems to be over.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on September 07, 2018, 01:03:26 PM
Why did they slow down the tempo? I think most of the energy of that track comes from it being fast. Now it sounds like a cover band. And his growls still suck.

This is a good version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxGAN5fYUsI

You have to turn to bootlegs to get a decent version.  ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Rattlehead on September 07, 2018, 07:38:27 PM
I thought it was a really solid performance, thanks for sharing the video  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 02, 2018, 11:25:42 PM
So they have now released 3 vids from Red Rocks. The most recent being Ghost of Perdition. I gotta say, I have no issues with Mike's vocals. He sounds fine to me.

With that said, Axe made me cringe a few times trying to play Lopez's parts. Axe has his strengths and is not a bad drummer by any means, but his limitations show with some of Lopez's stuff.

My copy of this set should be here next week and I can't wait to have a clean sounding version of Sorceress. Really wish they would remaster that album and remove the mud.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: RandalGraves on November 03, 2018, 06:17:36 AM
They appear to be in the process of writing a new album with the aim of releasing it in Q1 2019. I too love post growl Opeth just as much as pre growl, though I'm willing to bet I'm in the minority with that.

I'm with you there.... both eras are amazing

I actually love Heritage, but am pretty bored with the latter two (save for a handful of songs). With that said, I would absolutely love to get more live releases featuring the last 3 albums. Seeing Heritage live was a game changer, and after listening to some of Garden of the Titans, the material seems to work so much better in a live setting.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 07, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
Hearing Ghost of Perdition live made me miss "old" Opeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: PixelDream on November 08, 2018, 12:50:51 PM
Looking forward to seeing this one. Last Opeth gig I saw was pretty uninspired (Fortarock 2018), but on Graspop 2017 I thought they were the best band of the entire festival. Well, even amazing bands have off-days.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: PixelDream on November 08, 2018, 01:02:41 PM
Demon of the Fall from the DVD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOwmZwpQkrs)

Looks like they had another technical mishap with the guitar like the one in The Lotus Eater on RAH :P Mikael's growls have audibly improved since The Drapery Falls from Plovdiv - good thing he stopped smoking. They'll probably never be as good as pre-2008, but the worst phase seems to be over.

Did he quit recently then? I thought he was only smoking pre-Blackwater Park..?

His growls sound fine, but I do miss the times where his growls sounded like he meant it. It used to sound so demonic.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 15, 2019, 09:01:42 PM
so until just yesterday I figured that the abrupt start of Eternal Rains Will Come was intentional and then I discovered that the version of the song I'd been listening to all this time actually had a second or two missing at the very beginning
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 03, 2019, 01:22:51 AM
Nothing like listening to Opeth while drunk at 3:30 in the morning.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on March 18, 2019, 12:24:45 PM
Mikael Åkerfeldt wanted to write a sports-themed album with a paranormal twist. The resulting Opeth record was titled...

Ghost Referees

:vomitard:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 28, 2019, 08:26:29 AM
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Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Fritzinger on April 29, 2019, 03:00:16 AM
The following whatsapp conversation between my friend (living in Nuremberg) and me (living 4 hours from there) just took place:

Me: Dude Opeth is coming to your town in November, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to spend 65€ again.. Think I'm not going to do it. There are exactly two front row seats in the middle left though.
Him: DO IT
Me: DONE

So now we're going to see Opeth, both for the first time  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Train of Naught on April 29, 2019, 03:32:41 AM
I'm so happy they aren't playing a seated venue in Berlin :lol 20 euros cheaper and also not sure if I would want to see Opeth sitting down really

Also gonna be my first time!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: SwedishGoose on April 29, 2019, 05:16:28 AM
Hope you will enjoy the shows guys.... seen them 6 times and all of them were really good.
Waiting for them to release a date in their and my hometown.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Fritzinger on May 22, 2019, 04:05:40 AM
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BIG NEWS! Opeth are pleased to present you with the title and tracklisting for their awaited 13th observation!
"In Cauda Venenum", is due out this fall on Moderbolaget Records / Nuclear Blast Entertainment.

Recorded last year at Stockholm's Park Studios, In Cauda Venenum will be released in two versions, in both Swedish and English languages. Various physical and digital formats will be available and additional details will be announced in the coming months.

In anticipation of the impending release, OPETH will be performing shows around the world through the end of the year. Dates are and ticketing info can be found here: www.opeth.com/tour-dates or on the "Dates, Tickets' tab on this Facebook page. Additional touring will be announced soon.

In Cauda Venenum Tracklisting:
1. Livet’s Trädgård / Garden Of Earthly Delights (Intro)
2. Svekets Prins / Dignity
3. Hjärtat Vet Vad Handen Gör / Heart In Hand
4. De Närmast Sörjande / Next Of Kin
5. Minnets Yta / Lovelorn Crime
6. Charlatan
7. Ingen Sanning Är Allas / Universal Truth
8. Banemannen / The Garroter
9. Kontinuerlig Drift / Continuum
10. Allting Tar Slut / All Things Will Pass
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on May 22, 2019, 07:17:44 AM
Holy shit! Which version will I listen to now?  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on May 22, 2019, 07:18:25 AM
Stoked. Gonna get both versions. Can't wait to hear this. Will probably just stick to the English version for my sake but I'll definitely be listening to the Swedish version at least once.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on May 22, 2019, 07:23:04 AM
Very intriguing, wonder how the vocal melodies will compare between the two languages.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 22, 2019, 07:24:15 AM
That artwork! 😮
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on May 22, 2019, 07:32:17 AM
I'm assuming Charlatan is an instrumental.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on May 22, 2019, 07:34:45 AM
The cover photo on Opeth's facebook page is very cool as well showing the extended version of the artwork. The bottom red band is a tongue and the whole house is sitting on it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: nattmorker on May 22, 2019, 09:56:14 AM
Great News! Really looking forward to this, I've loved the evolution of this band. I will listen to both versions, but I think I will stick to the swedish version, it's one of my favorite languages!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 22, 2019, 10:17:57 AM
Might buy the English version and hopefully Spotify the Swedish version.

Interesting idea, it gives a folksy vibe to it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Evermind on May 22, 2019, 10:22:14 AM
I was pretty impressed with Sorceress initially but then the novelty wore off. Pale Communium is still fantastic in my book though.

Definitely will be checking this one out.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mebert78 on May 22, 2019, 10:42:59 AM
Very intriguing, wonder how the vocal melodies will compare between the two languages.

I'm wondering the same thing.  Not sure how lyrics can fit a song in two different languages.  The syllable count, rhymes and overall flow will be quite different. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Crow on May 22, 2019, 10:44:29 AM
Can't wait for Heritage 4: Now in Swedish edition!

And I've seen other bands do the same multiple language release thing before, they know what they're doing, it'll be fine
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ninjabait on May 22, 2019, 10:51:27 AM
Honestly, I didn't care much for Sorceress but I might check this out. The two language thing is really interesting. Not sure I've heard of anyone doing that before.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Grappler on May 22, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
Very intriguing, wonder how the vocal melodies will compare between the two languages.

I'm wondering the same thing.  Not sure how lyrics can fit a song in two different languages.  The syllable count, rhymes and overall flow will be quite different.

Sabaton - Carolean's Prayer (English):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXGn3H_8lo

Sabaton - Karolinen's Bon (Swedish):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnfPywPhCVc

Same exact song sung in English and Swedish.  The vocal melodies are pretty much identical.  If you listen to the Swedish version's video, the English lyrics are printed on the video as well and you can hear/understand how they fit in the same melody.

I'd guess that Opeth would follow the same example - the melody is virtually the same, with maybe a few tweaks here or there.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: v_clortho on May 22, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
Honestly, I didn't care much for Sorceress but I might check this out. The two language thing is really interesting. Not sure I've heard of anyone doing that before.

David Lee Roth released "Eat 'em and Smile" in both English and Spanish.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on May 22, 2019, 11:17:18 AM
Rhapsody released The Magic of the Wizard's Dream in 4 different languages as well as recording other songs in 2-3 different languages each, all varying between English, German, French, Spanish, and Italian
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on May 22, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
PFM (the italian prog band with Marco Sfogli on guitars) did the same thing for their last album. It was released in English and Italian.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Fritzinger on May 22, 2019, 11:28:51 AM
Honestly, I didn't care much for Sorceress but I might check this out. The two language thing is really interesting. Not sure I've heard of anyone doing that before.

Premiata Forneria Marconi also did this with their latest album!

#Edit: well guess I've been ninja'd
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ninjabait on May 22, 2019, 11:59:04 AM
Dang, how have I not heard about any of them? I actually know about some of these bands. I'll have to check out some of those
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: nattmorker on May 22, 2019, 12:56:58 PM
Rhapsody released The Magic of the Wizard's Dream in 4 different languages as well as recording other songs in 2-3 different languages each, all varying between English, German, French, Spanish, and Italian

It's been a long while since I listened to that song, I'll have to do it today!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on May 22, 2019, 01:48:52 PM
I'll be going into this fairly lukewarm because i haven't loved an Opeth album since Watershed and as far as I'm concerned Sorceress was the most "meh" out of the last 3 albums, but maybe low expectations could be good. Have no interest in the dual language thing. Even as a swede i have zero interest in music sung in swedish. If I end up really liking the album I could see myself checking out some of the swedish versions on youtube just out of curiosity. :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: DTA on May 22, 2019, 04:20:37 PM
My expectations are so low that I may be pleasantly surprised if this thing is even remotely bordering on having some interesting moments.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 23, 2019, 01:37:49 AM
Instead of the swedish version he should release a growl version, I would like that probably more.  :biggrin: :metal

Semi-excited for this, while the "new" direction isn't bad (except for Heritage, which was a major letdown), Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries are just so much better than everything else and I fear those glorious days are definitely gone.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 23, 2019, 07:38:06 AM
Instead of the swedish version he should release a growl version, I would like that probably more.  :biggrin: :metal

Semi-excited for this, while the "new" direction isn't bad (except for Heritage, which was a major letdown), Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries are just so much better than everything else and I fear those glorious days are definitely gone.

It's kind of funny, I just realized that I view post-Watershed Opeth the same way I view post-MP DT - cautious optimism. Pale Communion is a really good album which is closest to pre-Heritage in terms of style (minus growls), Heritage is crap and Sorceress is borderline unlistenable due to the horrible production. I think I would like Sorceress better if I could actually listen to it.

This one came out of left field so it will interesting to see what happens. It's an auto-buy but I will probably check out some samples beforehand, which I usually don't do.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on May 23, 2019, 07:45:13 AM
The old albums ain't going anywhere. I for one embrace the direction they've taken even if I don't like Heritage and don't often play Sorceress (although I like that one quite a bit).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 23, 2019, 07:58:11 AM
I'm genuinely curious as to why a lot of you view Pale Communion to be the best of their post-Watershed albums. It's easily the worst out of the three for me. Heritage makes up for the lack of heaviness with some really excellent dark and atmospheric parts, and Sorceress has a good amount of well-written if a bit straightforward songs. Pale Communion on the other hand just feels like a jumbled mess of 70s nostalgia with no real cohesion or atmosphere.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 23, 2019, 08:14:28 AM
I'm genuinely curious as to why a lot of you view Pale Communion to be the best of their post-Watershed albums. It's easily the worst out of the three for me. Heritage makes up for the lack of heaviness with some really excellent dark and atmospheric parts, and Sorceress has a good amount of well-written if a bit straightforward songs. Pale Communion on the other hand just feels like a jumbled mess of 70s nostalgia with no real cohesion or atmosphere.

Heritage goes nowhere, the songs just aren't there, they just plod along without anything memorable.

Pale Communion has much better songs and more cohesive songwriting, for me it's closest to the "classic" Opeth but not as heavy and obviously without the growls.

Sorceress has more straightforward songs, but I like a lot of them, but it's the production that kills it a bit.

But all of that is only my opinion so it's highly subjective.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on May 23, 2019, 08:44:44 AM
I think Pale Communion is just a solid, well structured album. It has good production, its songs have a lovely, somber atmosphere that doesn't put interesting instrumentation on the backburner in favor of mood the way Heritage does (in my opinion), and there's so much variety. I think Faith In Others is such a beautiful piece of music, so is River, but the two songs couldn't be more different. And that's a good thing, because generally Opeth always has this very gloomy vibe to their music, and River is a nice little break of sunshine on an otherwise dreary day. Cusp of Eternity and Eternal Rains Will Come have an infectious groove. Goblin is an interesting instrumental. Moon Above Sun Below is also wonderful. I think Pale Communion's order of songs make the album flow very well. It's definitely my favorite album since Watershed, and I think it's one of the best albums Opeth has ever done.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 23, 2019, 09:46:23 AM
I think Pale Communion is just a solid, well structured album. It has good production, its songs have a lovely, somber atmosphere that doesn't put interesting instrumentation on the backburner in favor of mood the way Heritage does (in my opinion), and there's so much variety. I think Faith In Others is such a beautiful piece of music, so is River, but the two songs couldn't be more different. And that's a good thing, because generally Opeth always has this very gloomy vibe to their music, and River is a nice little break of sunshine on an otherwise dreary day. Cusp of Eternity and Eternal Rains Will Come have an infectious groove. Goblin is an interesting instrumental. Moon Above Sun Below is also wonderful. I think Pale Communion's order of songs make the album flow very well. It's definitely my favorite album since Watershed, and I think it's one of the best albums Opeth has ever done.

Well said, pretty much all of this. PC is the only album so far out of the new era that I can rank up with the classic records.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 23, 2019, 12:21:18 PM
I'm genuinely curious as to why a lot of you view Pale Communion to be the best of their post-Watershed albums. It's easily the worst out of the three for me. Heritage makes up for the lack of heaviness with some really excellent dark and atmospheric parts, and Sorceress has a good amount of well-written if a bit straightforward songs. Pale Communion on the other hand just feels like a jumbled mess of 70s nostalgia with no real cohesion or atmosphere.

Heritage goes nowhere, the songs just aren't there, they just plod along without anything memorable.

Pale Communion has much better songs and more cohesive songwriting, for me it's closest to the "classic" Opeth but not as heavy and obviously without the growls.

Sorceress has more straightforward songs, but I like a lot of them, but it's the production that kills it a bit.

But all of that is only my opinion so it's highly subjective.

Dude, we are simpatico on this. You literally typed what's in my head.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Evermind on May 23, 2019, 12:27:57 PM
I'm genuinely curious as to why a lot of you view Pale Communion to be the best of their post-Watershed albums. It's easily the worst out of the three for me. Heritage makes up for the lack of heaviness with some really excellent dark and atmospheric parts, and Sorceress has a good amount of well-written if a bit straightforward songs. Pale Communion on the other hand just feels like a jumbled mess of 70s nostalgia with no real cohesion or atmosphere.

Heritage goes nowhere, the songs just aren't there, they just plod along without anything memorable.

Pale Communion has much better songs and more cohesive songwriting, for me it's closest to the "classic" Opeth but not as heavy and obviously without the growls.

Sorceress has more straightforward songs, but I like a lot of them, but it's the production that kills it a bit.

But all of that is only my opinion so it's highly subjective.

I mostly agree with this except my opinion on Heritage is a bit higher—I consider The Devil's Orchard and Folklore to be classic Opeth songs.

The production on Sorceress is exactly what's bothering me I guess. Will O' The Wisp is just great, and a lot of heavier songs also have potential, but somehow it just doesn't sound right to me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 23, 2019, 12:47:36 PM
I can definitely see why people would find the more ambient, atmospheric parts of Heritage to be boring, but I think criticizing them for having "nothing going on" is kind of missing the point. Songs like Haxprocess aren't really eventful, but that's not what they're going for. Rather, they're trying to capture a mood, and the more ambient, subdued composition is there for that reason. Personally, I think it works really well, and the lack of music like that on Pale Communion (except for Elysian Woes, I suppose) was one of my biggest disappointments with it. But like I said, I can understand how that's not everyone's thing.

The production on Sorceress isn't that good, but it could be a lot worse and I don't think it really gets in the way of the music all that much.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2019, 01:26:42 PM
I like all of the last 3 albums.

Really looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on May 23, 2019, 01:47:02 PM
I like them all as well. Heritage is great, Pale communion is very good, and Sorceress is also solid, although I haven't returned to it in a while. Maybe I should revisit it, but then again, maybe I should revisit the entire discography.  ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 24, 2019, 04:47:04 AM
New album looks like a concept album of some sorts to me. Can't wait!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: the_silent_man on May 24, 2019, 08:35:03 AM
Relistened to both Sorceress and Pale Communion today because of this announcement.

Still really not a fan of Sorceress. It feels uncohesive, messy and not very memorable. Opeth's worst for me.
On the other hand, still really digging Pale Communion. Strong melodies and good flow, has some classic Opeth sounds too.

Huge fan of classic Opeth, but sadly some of the elements that made them great are lost in the new stuff - namely the contrast between heavy growl sections and beautiful, clean jazzy moments.
See what the new album holds. I doubt they'll reintroduce growls again, but I would welcome a metal album with a good flow.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TioJorge on May 24, 2019, 11:47:48 AM
My expectations are so low that I may be pleasantly surprised if this thing is even remotely bordering on having some interesting moments.

Sadly (or not?) this is how I feel as well. On the other hand, I did come in here to see if there was any news of the band either disbanding, continuing a break or releasing anything soon so I have some vestige of interest apparently.

It's surprising to hear that so many people find the dual language song a weird thing; it's by no means a popular thing to do but over the years tons of bands have done it. I'm sure it'll obviously have a different vibe in Swedish but it shouldn't drastically change anything unless the band does so on purpose. Mikael seems to have a firm grasp on both languages vernacular, so it's not like one will be a bastardization of the other.

"Excited" is probably a bit much to say for me, but I'm definitely glad that they're releasing something.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: mike099 on May 24, 2019, 03:05:40 PM
The album cover got me thinking Ghost Reveries 2. Just hoping the music is heavy and production is good.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Fritzinger on May 26, 2019, 07:00:02 AM
I don't quite understand this: How can you like one of the past three Opeth albums and not like another one at all? I mean sure you can like one better than the other, but in my opinion they have found a particular style on three albums. How is it possible to have such a different opinion on them?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2019, 07:01:51 AM
I don't quite understand this: How can you like one of the past three Opeth albums and not like another one at all? I mean sure you can like one better than the other, but in my opinion they have found a particular style on three albums. How is it possible to have such a different opinion on them?

Just because they are stylistically similar does not mean the songwriting is at the same level across all three albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on May 26, 2019, 08:32:01 AM
I don't quite understand this: How can you like one of the past three Opeth albums and not like another one at all? I mean sure you can like one better than the other, but in my opinion they have found a particular style on three albums. How is it possible to have such a different opinion on them?

Because taste? Heritage is boring as sin.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on May 26, 2019, 08:36:08 AM
I don't quite understand this: How can you like one of the past three Opeth albums and not like another one at all? I mean sure you can like one better than the other, but in my opinion they have found a particular style on three albums. How is it possible to have such a different opinion on them?

Because taste? Heritage is boring as sin.

100%

Plus it was the first album in this current (non metal) style. For me, hearing this after being obsessed with Ghost Reveries and Watershed, I was so unbelievably underwhelmed. It still hurts me to think back on it!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Evermind on May 26, 2019, 08:38:21 AM
Heritage is my to-go album to play whenever we're playing Arkham's Horror at our tabletop days with friends. Weirdly, it works—in fact, I've got a few people on board for Opeth with that.

Granted, the album is only an hour long and Arkham's Horror game is usually longer, but Heritage works wonders as the first album for that game.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on May 26, 2019, 10:35:00 AM
Heritage is my to-go album to play whenever we're playing Arkham's Horror at our tabletop days with friends. Weirdly, it works—in fact, I've got a few people on board for Opeth with that.

Granted, the album is only an hour long and Arkham's Horror game is usually longer, but Heritage works wonders as the first album for that game.

I could totally see it working in that context. I just never reach for it when I want to actively listen to music. Although this discussion is making me want to revisit it so maybe I'll do that today.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mosh on May 26, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
I find all three post Heritage albums to be quite different. Pale Communion is my favorite, mostly because the songwriting is better than on either of the other albums. It also has the most Opethian sound to me, despite not being a Metal album. It gets pretty heavy in places though. Sorceress does too but it meanders a lot and I can't get past the production. Heritage has a lot of really interesting atmospheric stuff but few songs actually stick with me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on May 26, 2019, 12:18:30 PM
I like Heritage more than the other to, since its successors were more hammered out and precise. Heritage was insanity, no breaks and it just sound spontaneous as hell. It features more strong songs overall - The Devil's orchard, Lines in my hand, Nepenthe and I feel the dark are truly excellent songs that I can compare to the highlights of the albums that preceded it. The closer is also one of their most gorgeous closers.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2019, 07:49:54 AM
I think Heritage works well as a whole album. It has a nice flow from start to finish, although I think it was their least best album since the first two (neither of which are my thing). 

Pale Communion, to me, is definitely the strongest of the last three.  The songwriting is pretty great, and the vibe throughout is tremendous.

Sorceress has some songs I like a lot, but was pretty inconsistent overall.  Since becoming a fan around 2004/2005, it is the Opeth album I got the least mileage out of, by a big distance.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on May 27, 2019, 08:44:51 AM
I don't feel I belong to the "they suck cause theyre not metal anymore" category of fans but I feel what made Opeth so amazing was that blend of heavy and soft. Those two elements worked so well together and in many of their best songs it's the parts when the song goes from heavy to soft or vice versa that really sticks out so well. I don't mind that they want to try something new but I feel like they removed that heavy element without replacing it with anything else interesting. I'm also one of few Opeth fans who don't rank Damnation that high. To me it's a good album, but definitely in my lower half of their discography.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Fritzinger on May 27, 2019, 11:56:21 AM
The new album news made me start listening to Opeth again. The last 2 days, Sorceress has been spinning on the turntable non-stop and I love it! I think I'll work my way backwards now over the next week or so :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Bentower on May 27, 2019, 12:35:04 PM
I'm very excited about this new album seeing as I felt Sorceress was their most consistent album since the D&D double whammy.
It's such a shame they didn't re-mix the entire record the way they did Era for the official video. It would've deserved it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Podaar on May 28, 2019, 06:08:36 AM
I don't feel I belong to the "they suck cause theyre not metal anymore" category of fans but I feel what made Opeth so amazing was that blend of heavy and soft. Those two elements worked so well together and in many of their best songs it's the parts when the song goes from heavy to soft or vice versa that really sticks out so well. I don't mind that they want to try something new but I feel like they removed that heavy element without replacing it with anything else interesting. I'm also one of few Opeth fans who don't rank Damnation that high. To me it's a good album, but definitely in my lower half of their discography.

I feel like the heavy never left Opeth. Sure, the distortion is gone and the singing is all Gondor now. But for me, the best thing has always been the dark beauty of their music. The haunted melodies. They used to like to texture their music with juxtaposing harshness with softness but now the heaviness is purely mood.

I get why some don't like the change. I miss some of those older elements now and then (fortunately I still have the old albums) but I'm really happy with the last three albums. I'm enjoying the ride Michael is taking us on, so far. I'll be eager to hear the new album.

Also, (I know I'm going to get killed for this, but) the old Opeth's tendency to strum distorted guitars, in harmony, in a folk music style, for 16 bars, got boring fast. I'm really glad they don't do that anymore.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on May 28, 2019, 07:19:48 AM
Also, (I know I'm going to get killed for this, but) the old Opeth's tendency to strum distorted guitars, in harmony, in a folk music style, for 16 bars, got boring fast. I'm really glad they don't do that anymore.

I'm glad you said that because it's very tiresome honestly and that's why a lot of their old albums get old really quickly for me
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on June 01, 2019, 10:41:35 AM
Nice interview with Mikael regarding the new album.

http://bravewords.com/features/opeth-what-s-your-poison

Interesting that the original intent was Swedish only. Mikael chickened out, as he put it, and threw together an English version in a day. Says the Swedish version is his real version.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on June 01, 2019, 02:58:43 PM
I kind of wished he had the balls to only release the Swedish version. That would be such a classy move.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Fritzinger on June 03, 2019, 04:04:39 AM
So again no growls this time. I'm fine with that.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Nekov on June 14, 2019, 08:46:43 AM
I know I'l really late to the party, but I just gave a listen to Sorceress and I am loving this album. I remember kinda liking Heritage too so it's probably time to go through their discography. Never done it before because of the growls, but maybe they aren't that bad.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2019, 04:20:05 PM
As someone who normally is pretty turned off by growls, it is different with Opeth.  Check out Ghost Reveries and Still Life, and report back once you've picked up your jaw off of the ground. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Kocak on July 01, 2019, 08:28:41 AM
https://youtu.be/DU9u8aK8rOk

30 seconds of the new Opeth album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 01, 2019, 08:50:31 AM
As someone who normally is pretty turned off by growls, it is different with Opeth.  Check out Ghost Reveries and Still Life, and report back once you've picked up your jaw off of the ground. :biggrin:

Bolded the key part. It's exactly the same with me. I could never tolerate growls until Mikael. And even then, it took some time to really embrace them. Still Life was the album that clicked as well. Even now, I have a fairly low tolerance for growls, aside from Mikael. He did open me up to a few bands that I might have never enjoyed though.

I really can't explain why I love Mikael's growls but can barely tolerate almost anyone else.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on July 01, 2019, 08:53:11 AM
Opeth was the band that broke the growl entry barrier for me, but... I still don't think Still Life, Deliverance etc. are very good. Watershed, Blackwater, those albums have both satisfying growls and amazing music for my taste.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on July 01, 2019, 10:36:01 AM
30 second snippet for tour preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=DU9u8aK8rOk
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: v_clortho on July 01, 2019, 11:54:23 AM
Sounds heavier. I like. I wonder how representative of the new album this is?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on July 01, 2019, 11:59:31 AM
At least it was already confirmed that there are still no growls: http://bravewords.com/features/opeth-what-s-your-poison
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on July 01, 2019, 01:18:21 PM
Opeth was also the first band to make me open to growls. I could only tolerate growls with Opeth. I even liked more the songs who had less growls and more clean singing. But after a couple of years it became the complete opposite. I started appreciating growls much more than the acoustic parts. I started liking more songs like Blackwater Park, The Funeral Portrait (rather than The Drapery Falls and Harvest, you know), Wreath, etc.

From Opeth I started exploring Death and Black Metal. And sure, there are some bands that I cannot tolerate the vocals. But compared to how it was back then... I would say I am much more tolerant and can appreciate many bands with growls.

To those with difficulties to like growls: don't give up. It pays off. Totally.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: NoseofNicko on July 01, 2019, 01:32:33 PM
To those with difficulties to like growls: don't give up. It pays off. Totally.  :metal

This.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Nekov on July 01, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
As someone who normally is pretty turned off by growls, it is different with Opeth.  Check out Ghost Reveries and Still Life, and report back once you've picked up your jaw off of the ground. :biggrin:

I listened to Watershed. It was not really my thing. I will check out those 2 you mentioned, but the growls are still a nope for me. Hope that can change
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: kaos2900 on July 02, 2019, 07:06:24 AM
Opeth used to be one of my favorite bands. I have not really been into anything post watershed. I liked the sample but we'll see. I'm tempted to go with the swedish version over the english.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Nekov on July 02, 2019, 09:13:55 AM
As someone who normally is pretty turned off by growls, it is different with Opeth.  Check out Ghost Reveries and Still Life, and report back once you've picked up your jaw off of the ground. :biggrin:

I listened to Watershed. It was not really my thing. I will check out those 2 you mentioned, but the growls are still a nope for me. Hope that can change

Ghost Reveries is definitely something else. I approached it thinking I was going to have a similar reaction to Watershed and I am pleased that I was wrong in being prejudiced.  :smiley:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 02, 2019, 11:52:15 AM
Regarding the new material, I wonder if they’ll play the English or Swedish versions live? Or maybe it’ll vary depending on where they’re playing?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: RandalGraves on July 08, 2019, 11:26:21 PM
30 second snippet for tour preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=DU9u8aK8rOk

I dig the music. Sounds...aggressively spooky, if that's a thing, hahah. But the mix is still garbage and lacking a punch.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: WebRaider on July 11, 2019, 10:23:22 PM
I've been waiting to explore Opeth for the longest and have yet to dive in (so you have to take my opinion very lightly)... but this new song is pretty damn awesome IMO! :hat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAh7XQ0whvg
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Bentower on July 12, 2019, 04:44:10 AM
I like it, lots to chew on there. One thing though, the vocals are very loud and Mikael is doing that 'end phrases with an upward motif' thing that annoyed me in Era again. Sheesh.

The swedish version "Hjärtet Vet Vad Handen Gör' is also up. That translates as The Heart Knows What The Hand Does. I think I preferred it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: faizoff on July 12, 2019, 05:48:39 AM
I'm debating whether to listen to the track or not. Still over 2 months to wait for. I have the 2 CD edition preordered.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on July 12, 2019, 06:15:12 AM
It kind of went by quickly, I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I liked the intro.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Moor on July 12, 2019, 06:44:00 AM
It kind of went by quickly, I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I liked the intro.  :metal

Same here, listened to it twice and got distracted without any reason!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ninjabait on July 12, 2019, 06:49:45 AM
Listened to both versions of the new single. Honestly it's a huge improvement over Sorceress. Intro is killer, outro doesn't quite do it for me on this song tho. It would work well on its own tho. Song goes by pretty fast despite being like 8min. Both versions are great, but I think I slightly prefer the Swedish version.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: twosuitsluke on July 12, 2019, 10:31:40 AM
I loved the beginning, the brooding intro is great! Musically I think it's whet my appetite, but it's Mikael's vocals that put me off (which is something I never thought I'd say!).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on July 12, 2019, 10:57:16 AM
Very cool song. Sounds like Pale Communion. I'm all on board.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Crow on July 12, 2019, 10:58:18 AM
i listened to this. it was pretty fine. i'll probably check out the album at least once regardless. i never got sorceress though and was never convinced i was missing anything by skipping it
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: TioJorge on July 12, 2019, 12:03:15 PM
^ That. Except I tired to get into Sorceress a few times and haven't listened to it since the first couple weeks of release. It's really sad but I think my tastes have just moved on from Opeth. It's that weird phenomenon where I WANT to like it, but I just don't, I was just bored with this song. It wasn't a reaction where I'm like "I don't like this", but just that I was sitting there reminiscing on nostalgic times where I loved Opeth and was into them. Which, other than listening to some older songs once in a while, I'm clearly not despite having that urge every now and again. C'est la vie. Maybe there will be a gem or two on the new album. I still do love the hell out of Steven and Mikaels weird "album trilogy", Grace for Drowning, Heritage and the duo's Storm Corrosion (which is still fucking incredible for those that are into atmospheric, gothic, ethereal music).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: JLa on July 12, 2019, 01:36:09 PM
Needs more growl / old style Opeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Rattlehead on July 12, 2019, 06:38:07 PM
I love the new song and can't wait for this album. I think it's been pretty clear for several years that Opeth is not going back to their old style and Mikael is done with growls other than when they play older songs live.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Bentower on July 13, 2019, 12:11:37 AM
The drum sound should've been a tad punchier. As is, the fast, thrashy part just doesn't feel quite right.

Regarding growls, they sounded surprisingly okay for this era when I saw the band a few weeks ago. Being that it was a metal festival they crammed three songs with them (Ghost of Perdition, The Drapery Falls and Deliverance) into a 70-minute set. With Sorceress and The Devil's Orchard it was pretty heavy all-around. In My Time of Need was the sole breather.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ChuckSteak on July 13, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
There is something people don't seem to understand. If they go back to growls, they will sound even worse. Mikael cannot growl well anymore and their most recent live record is a clear representation of that. And nowadays, when they are playing their old songs, they sound like a cover band. They play slower, less intense/agressive, less energy, less intensity on the growls, less distortion. Mikael doesnt hold the growls for long either, which makes it sound lazy, less evil, less enthusiasm.

So growls, no thanks.

On the other hand his singing only got better and better and he should keep going with it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Zantera on July 13, 2019, 02:05:05 PM
I don't think my problems with the last 3 albums have anything to do with lack of growls, it's more because of the music itself and the production. I mean most of it is still fine (just not among their better albums) I just wish it was slightly more interesting and slightly better.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 13, 2019, 02:31:13 PM
Aside from Heritage, I have not had any issues with the music of the last few albums. The production on Sorceress is an abomination and makes it hard to listen to that album. I would have no problems with albums in the vein of Pale Communion, which is my favorite of the no-growl era. It is the perfect blend of old and new Opeth.

I enjoyed the new song and it does sound promising. Considering it was a YouTube rip, it already sounded better than anything on Sorceress from a production standpoint.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 14, 2019, 12:33:36 PM
Heard it on Spotify as I dont like Youtube quality for hearing new songs. It's a great song, love the 2nd half. This might end up bringing me back into Opeth again. I fell out during Pale Communion, don't know why that album never grabbed me fully, but I do enjoy the songs separately.

The Swedish version is interesting, the stresses and vocables in the language add a certain quality to the vocals.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: JLa on July 14, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
To re-phrase myself, the new stuff doesn't necessarily need "growls" per se. The "old" Opeth had a few tracks with less growling as well, and they were awesome. It's just... I miss the old style where the music went back and forth between broootal and mellow/proggy. To me, a huge part of Opeth's brillance was the diversity, and now it's kinda gone.

If it makes them happy, by all means go for it.

I wonder how their fan base has changed along the way? How many jumped ship, how many stayed and how many new fans have joined (= people who love the new style but can't be bothered with anything from Watershed and older!)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 18, 2019, 12:15:07 PM
Following the recent release of their new single, “Hjärtat Vet Vad Handen Gör” / “Heart In Hand,” Swedish prog-masters Opeth are giving fans an inside look into the track with a new trailer for the forthcoming album "In Cauda Venenum". The band’s chief songwriter and vocalist Mikael Akerfeldt breaks down the track in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBiLa5OersA
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 18, 2019, 01:12:00 PM
Pre-orders are up:

http://www.opeth.com/stores

Got mine locked in.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on July 21, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
I don't know if this was already mentioned, but I just looked at the album lengths on wikipedia, and the new album will apparently be their longest one so far. Very cool.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: ? on July 21, 2019, 12:25:02 PM
The new song sounds good to me, and the production is better than on Sorceress, which is a plus :tup Maybe it's because I got into Kent fairly recently, but I think I prefer the Swedish version.

NB has more info on the album: https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/label/music/band/discography/details/5970882.4103148.in-cauda-venenum.html

I find it interesting that Mikael admits he tried to cater to the other guys in the band on Sorceress, because you rarely see him being critical of their newer albums in the press. At least he's already sounded more excited while promoting this album than last time around. Also, the fact that the Swedish version is the primary one that he wants people to listen to makes me think they might actually play those versions on tour even outside Scandinavia.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Bentower on August 16, 2019, 04:26:18 AM
New song "Svekets Prins"/"Dignity". It's a strange one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcMdA7Xs8jE

There are audio-only versions as well, but the link is to the video by Costin Chioreanu. His usual fare.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Lynxo on August 16, 2019, 07:23:56 AM
A strange and awesome one. :metal I love it!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: The Walrus on August 16, 2019, 08:17:57 AM
Could be because I played it immediately after waking up (seems to be way I check out new singles these days) but boy that was a weird song. In a good way. The dramatic chord progressions sound very Opeth-y but the rest is like a totally new animal. Definitely prefer newpeth to oldpeth and this has me psyched. I want to hear the English version too.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 16, 2019, 08:30:56 AM
If you just played me the first second and nothing else I would have thought this was a new Devin Townsend song, not an Opeth song. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Podaar on August 16, 2019, 08:47:42 AM
Awesome! Very excite for the full release.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2019, 04:52:10 PM
What's the go with the King Diamond album cover?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: gazinwales on August 16, 2019, 05:52:10 PM
The new song sounds good to me, and the production is better than on Sorceress, which is a plus :tup Maybe it's because I got into Kent fairly recently, but I think I prefer the Swedish version.

NB has more info on the album: https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/label/music/band/discography/details/5970882.4103148.in-cauda-venenum.html

I find it interesting that Mikael admits he tried to cater to the other guys in the band on Sorceress, because you rarely see him being critical of their newer albums in the press. At least he's already sounded more excited while promoting this album than last time around. Also, the fact that the Swedish version is the primary one that he wants people to listen to makes me think they might actually play those versions on tour even outside Scandinavia.

I can't tell anything on the production or mix based on anything on YT  ;D
But I think I prefer the Swedish version of this song already.
I listen to quite a few non English lyrics bands/artists and I don't mind at all.
Even Sabaton's 'Carolus Rex' album released on both languages, I prefer some songs in Swedish, but not them all.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 22, 2019, 12:17:33 PM
Had a deep listen to Deliverance in my car today and honestly I haven't had a properly listen to every song on that album and I must say how on earth could've missed songs like Master's Apprentices, that song is a riff fest!  :metal By the Pain I see in Others is also a song I never noticed that much. I now feel much ashamed after all these years listening to Opeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 22, 2019, 12:20:41 PM
Very cool song. Sounds like Pale Communion. I'm all on board.
Didn't listen to it but if that's even remotely true I'm excited :corn PC grew to be one of my favorite of their albums
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Mladen on August 22, 2019, 01:10:26 PM
Deliverance is their most underrated album in my opinion. There are days when I would even call it my favorite one.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: Big Hath on August 22, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Had a deep listen to Deliverance in my car today and honestly I haven't had a properly listen to every song on that album and I must say how on earth could've missed songs like Master's Apprentices, that song is a riff fest!  :metal By the Pain I see in Others is also a song I never noticed that much. I now feel much ashamed after all these years listening to Opeth.

YES!!!   :metal  :metal  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: RoeDent on August 23, 2019, 03:49:50 AM
Picked up Damnation yesterday, my first Opeth album. I've been hesitant to start with this band because the growls are currently a significant put-off. But they're beginning to pick up a collection of clean albums, starting with this one.

In My Time of Need is definitely my favourite track. It kind of reminded me of Steven Wilson's Drive Home at times.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: goo-goo on August 23, 2019, 07:00:11 AM
Deliverance is their most underrated album in my opinion. There are days when I would even call it my favorite one.

Yep. I do miss Peter's guitar playing a lot. He came up with killer riffs and solos, and that heavy tone was just right on the spot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on August 24, 2019, 11:51:35 PM
So in preparation for the new album I've been listening to all of Opeth's albums again (for like the 1000th time). And seriously there isn't a single bad song on any of the albums from Orchid to Watershed. Mikael Akerfeldt is a riff and melody master on the guitar. The quality drop off after Watershed is just so noticeably huge, especially listening to all the albums back to back chronologically. I'm really hoping the new album is something special.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. Sorceress
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 25, 2019, 02:09:00 AM
Picked up Damnation yesterday, my first Opeth album. I've been hesitant to start with this band because the growls are currently a significant put-off.
Give it sometime and you'll enjoy it. Honestly, that's how it was for me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 13, 2019, 07:42:06 AM
"... the secret weapon of “In Cauda Venenum” lays in how the band wields their considerable strengths and in this regard, they are supremely victorious. As one of the most consistent albums of Opeth career, “In Cauda Venenum” is relentless in its emotion, its range of dynamics and its overall quality. A highlight of 2019 and beyond...”

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/opeth-in-cauda-venenum/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: pfillion on September 13, 2019, 09:41:36 AM
Another review

https://yourlastrites.com/2019/09/13/opeth-in-cauda-venenum-review/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 14, 2019, 07:55:35 AM

Here's the first of a two part video interview with Consequence of Sound where Mike speaks about the new album, 'heavy' music & more...
https://consequenceofsound.net/video/opeth-mikael-akerfeldt-video-interview-part-1/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 18, 2019, 02:03:44 AM
I've been on a bit of an Opeth kick again in preparation for the new album I'm digging some of their post-Watershed albums more than previously. Actually it's mainly Heritage. That album was one of my biggest disappointments and it has taken me a long time to get past that!

I always preferred each subsequent album but I may actually prefer Pale Communion over Sorceress now, it is really good.

Anyway, new album is looking promising and I really like the singles. I'm planning to listen both the Swedish and English versions but I know I'll end up predominately listening to the English version. Is everyone (whose native tongue is not Swedish) planning to do the same? I just have this preconception that the Swedish will sound better but I'll want to understand what Mikael is singing. I just feel that in doing that I'll be somehow missing out on something, if that makes sense.

Damn you for putting me in this position Mikael (but I love you and never change).

:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Evermind on September 18, 2019, 02:29:30 AM
Yeah, I'll probably listen to the Swedish version once and then stick to English.

Unless the album sucks, then I'll listen to both of them once and that's it. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 18, 2019, 12:09:36 PM
I'll listen to both. The English version more than likely will be played more than swedish, but I do enjoy Mikaels melodies more in the Swedish version.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 18, 2019, 12:21:55 PM
I'll probably main the English version solely for the purpose of being able to remember the damn song titles. That's the biggest issue I have with non-English bands.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 18, 2019, 03:33:55 PM
Same here, probably check out the Swedish version once and then stick to the English one. Opeth have sung in English only in the past, so it’ll be weird for me to have him sing in a different language all of a sudden.

But like I said before, which versions are they gonna do live? Will it depend on where they’re playing?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Zydar on September 19, 2019, 12:05:38 AM
As a Swede myself, I'm leaning more to listening to the Swedish version. I'll check both out and then decide, but the Swedish version sounds a little more interesting to me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 19, 2019, 01:39:41 AM
Is there a chance there will be poll before shows? ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 19, 2019, 10:05:04 AM
As a Swede myself, I'm leaning more to listening to the Swedish version. I'll check both out and then decide, but the Swedish version sounds a little more interesting to me.

I don't understand Swedish, but I like that version more than I do the English version (both promos came my way) to my ears it is like MA wrote the Swedish version first and then he said, of I also need an English version.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Zydar on September 19, 2019, 10:49:45 AM
As a Swede myself, I'm leaning more to listening to the Swedish version. I'll check both out and then decide, but the Swedish version sounds a little more interesting to me.

I don't understand Swedish, but I like that version more than I do the English version (both promos came my way) to my ears it is like MA wrote the Swedish version first and then he said, of I also need an English version.

That's pretty much what he did, according to some interview I saw recently. He considers the Swedish version the "right" version.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: kaos2900 on September 19, 2019, 10:55:04 AM
I'm leaning towards getting the swedish version as well. Any idea if that will be available in the states? I'm a huge "old" Opeth fan and have been not ecstatic about the last 3 releases. I've heard good things about the new record and want to hear it the way it was meant to be.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Zantera on September 19, 2019, 12:02:54 PM
I'm leaning towards getting the swedish version as well. Any idea if that will be available in the states? I'm a huge "old" Opeth fan and have been not ecstatic about the last 3 releases. I've heard good things about the new record and want to hear it the way it was meant to be.

The version I pre-ordered comes with both (2CD version) but I'm swedish so I don't know if it's only available here or elsewhere. I would imagine you can get it outside of here because I'm sure a lot of people are curious to at least check it out. I'm guessing maybe the 1CD version that's only swedish might be more restricted though. :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 19, 2019, 12:26:14 PM
Looking at Amazon US, they seem to only offer a 2 CD version that contains both. It's going for under $13 right now.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 19, 2019, 02:26:12 PM
As a Swede myself, I'm leaning more to listening to the Swedish version. I'll check both out and then decide, but the Swedish version sounds a little more interesting to me.

I don't understand Swedish, but I like that version more than I do the English version (both promos came my way) to my ears it is like MA wrote the Swedish version first and then he said, of I also need an English version.

That's pretty much what he did, according to some interview I saw recently. He considers the Swedish version the "right" version.

Oh, ok, there you are
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: faizoff on September 19, 2019, 06:55:49 PM
I preordered from Nuclear Blast and hope they ship at a decent time. I think I'm leaning on the Swedish version too just because it'll be the original version envisioned by Akerfeldt. Depending on how the vocal melodies go I might switch back and forth between them.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: goo-goo on September 19, 2019, 07:22:55 PM
Amazon's estimated ship date is Oct 5  :'(
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: v_clortho on September 19, 2019, 08:19:57 PM
I ordered the 2cd version from Amazon and it's supposed to come on the release day.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: pfillion on September 19, 2019, 09:11:10 PM
Bonus track

https://youtu.be/L6hjCYh9E_4
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: SystematicThought on September 19, 2019, 11:52:57 PM
Why is that a bonus track? That's one of the coolest thing I've heard Opeth do in years!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: SwedishGoose on September 20, 2019, 12:04:50 AM
Since I am swedish I will listen to both equally if they feel equal in quality.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 20, 2019, 09:12:53 AM
I ordered one of the super-deluxe boxes so mine isn't even released until 10/4. Nuclear Blast does that every time with these mega-boxes. Release date is always at least a week later so I will have to wait to hear this.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: goo-goo on September 20, 2019, 10:08:02 AM
https://store.decibelmagazine.com/collections/subscriptions-renewals/products/subscription?variant=566748713

Subscribe for a year and you can get the Opeth Flexi disc

LOL. I chuckled at the ordering note:

*Please choose "no flexi" if you are ordering for someone in a correctional institution!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 23, 2019, 07:13:47 PM
Akerfeldt at Amoeba 'What's in My Bag" including some obvious influences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xedYz1vZWsA

I find it almost ironic that in looking to see if Portnoy had ever had a What's in My Bag? done at Amoeba, which YouTube/Google didn't pull 1 up.

However a Twitter post from 2015 from Portnoy showed 1 of his hauls, and ironically he also purchased the Kiss album Music from The Elder, lol.

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/557116869925027841
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Moor on September 24, 2019, 05:54:34 AM
When I look into the poll results above, I find that Watershed is among top 4 of their discography and better than a large number of albums throughout a 30 years period.

Weird thing is that they have decided to change their style immediately after Watershed which was a huge success. I recall Mikael saying that after Watershed he wrote two new songs for the coming album along the same Watershed style, but was not satisfied and decided to remove them and follow a totally different path.

This is sad for me; you put a record satisfying your whole fan base and among one of your best albums, and then you decide immediately thereafter to dramatically shift your style and go into 70ishh rock mode totally different from the style that made your success.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Mladen on September 24, 2019, 07:06:44 AM
That is such an amazing bunch of records. Also, a nice nod to Dream Theater.  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 24, 2019, 04:37:39 PM
Dignity is a top 5 prog rock era Opeth song imo. So damn good.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Zydar on September 25, 2019, 12:04:26 AM
That is such an amazing bunch of records. Also, a nice nod to Dream Theater.  :tup

I watched the video this morning, and there were many great ones there. Glad and surprised to see The Elder (one of my favourite Kiss albums), and that Zombies LP is awesome too.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 26, 2019, 04:37:26 PM
No one's commented on the new album yet? This is a case for Burt Macklin, FBI

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/parksandrecreation/images/e/ea/Burt_Macklin.png/revision/latest?cb=20130520202236)

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: faizoff on September 26, 2019, 05:17:18 PM
Comes out tomorrow here. Not sure if nuclear blast will deliver anytime soon. Will be streaming this tonight in a few hours.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 26, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Definitely the best since Watershed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 26, 2019, 07:37:11 PM
You are correct!!!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: devieira73 on September 26, 2019, 10:19:37 PM
After one listen, I don’ have an opinion yet, but it’s very very prog in a 70’s way. More than the previous 3 albums. It seems even more distant from the tradicional Opeth sound IMO.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: faizoff on September 26, 2019, 11:16:16 PM
Very interesting first listen. Some great melodies and musical passages. I heard the Swedish version and might hear it a few more times before listening to the English version. It sounds very chill and obviously even more of a departure from Opeth of old.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Pettor on September 27, 2019, 03:31:29 AM
Hrmmmmm this is interesting, not sure if it's my thing but an cool album and kudos for that! Not super big fan of the production / mixing. It's like they have a brown 70s filter on top of the sound. Since Sorceress they changed something and I am not huge fan of that compared to how fantastic the albums sounded back at Blackwater Park, Ghost of Perdition, Watershed and even Pale Communion.

I think the production / mixing will be problematic for me when listening to the album. Melody and writing wise this is a very interesting album and quite fun to hear in Swedish!!  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 27, 2019, 12:06:41 PM
Really like the new album. :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: pfillion on September 27, 2019, 01:55:19 PM
Really like the new album. :tup

Me too, I seriously think it's their best album since Ghost Reveries \m/
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 27, 2019, 02:18:12 PM
Better than Pale Communion, for sure. Seems roughly on the same level as Sorceress. We'll see how I feel about it after it's settled in more.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Dittomist on September 27, 2019, 02:44:48 PM
Yeah, this is the most I've enjoyed an Opeth album for a very long time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: SwedishGoose on September 27, 2019, 03:08:06 PM
Opeth is always good.... not sure where this will fall. I think it could have had a bit clearer production.

Love being able to listen in mine and Mikaels mother tounge but I might end up listening to the english version more. English just sounds better most times.

Love the addition of the kids (I guess it's Mikaels kids at different times in their lives).... if we stop thinking, we die

Will be interresring to hear this live in January... will they do the swedish version in Sweden. Hope so...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Evermind on September 27, 2019, 04:15:34 PM
One listen in, better than Sorceress, doesn't come close to Pale Communion. Still kinda interested in the album, I'll spin it again to see if it grows on me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: faizoff on September 27, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
I listened to Sorceress right after a few listens of ICV and had forgotten how catchy of the tracks are on Sorceress. I too wish the new album had a little cleaner sound but I think that's the sound they're going for with a sort of muddy sludgy side.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: NoFred on September 27, 2019, 09:43:34 PM
To me this is a Sorceress evolved, I like it muddy like ADTOE (different band) but doesn’t make me think Ian Anderson is in the band. TS was too literally 70s. I feel if I could merge ICV with BP that would be special.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Elite on September 28, 2019, 04:10:53 AM
Very impressed with my first listen (Swedish Version) in the car last night. Sounds like a metal band doing prog rock - in a very good way. Easily their best of the 'new era', and this is after just one listen in. It's amazing how Opeth can change their sound pretty drastically and still have it sound like Opeth. Looking forward to the show in november!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 28, 2019, 10:22:27 AM
I'm not an Opeth fan, but I liked the songwriting on Pale Communion, so I guess the new album is in that vein? (judging from what you've posted as of now)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: NoseofNicko on September 29, 2019, 11:16:58 AM
Lovelorn Crime is a stunning song.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Bentower on September 29, 2019, 12:23:14 PM
I'm loving the album, more and more. It's a bold chunk with some real meat around its bones.

In other news, Mikael gives the 'why won't you growl' question a fair shake: https://youtu.be/Oj5IrsHzeno
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: fps on September 29, 2019, 12:46:41 PM
More people have voted Pale Communion than My Arms, Your Hearse. I can't even. One is so epic, so pitch black, so emotive, so dense. The other is so derivative, so mellow, so toothless.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Evermind on September 29, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
I like Pale Communion. *shrug*
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: The Walrus on September 29, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
More people have voted Pale Communion than My Arms, Your Hearse. I can't even. One is so epic, so pitch black, so emotive, so dense. The other is so derivative, so mellow, so toothless.

I agree. MYAH is pretty forgettable.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 29, 2019, 01:59:08 PM
I like to think that Pale Communion is somewhat reminiscent of Deep Purple in some ways, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Dittomist on September 29, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
Lovelorn Crime is a stunning song.

Yes! Lovelorn Crime is an incredible piece of music and one of Opeth's best ballads to date
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: mike099 on September 29, 2019, 03:25:31 PM
Lovelorn Crime is a stunning song.

Great atmosphere on this song and love the guitar tone and solo at the end. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Rob24 on September 30, 2019, 02:39:04 AM
I like to think that Pale Communion is somewhat reminiscent of Deep Purple in some ways, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I don't really think that's a good thing.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: The Walrus on September 30, 2019, 05:53:07 AM
IMO:
Watershed > Damnation > Pale Communion > Blackwater > new record

5th favorite Opeth album currently. I can see it topping BWP for me but not just yet. There is so much beautiful playing and singing on this record.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Pettor on September 30, 2019, 07:00:40 AM
This album actually from time to time sounds like old Swedish progg to me, which kinda was a leftist music movement in 70s. It really has nothing to do with progressive and ofc this album still mainly has it's base in the progressive rock of 70 and no political message (that I am aware of). But sometimes it feels like my youth in the way Mikael sings and the kinda "brown" filter on the music (not sure how to describe it), or maybe something with the compositions as well. Progg was a 70s movement so maybe he is a bit influenced by some of the bands?

It's an unusual melodic album from Opeth. Even if the whole thing is in Swedish can someone describe the story / concept in small detail? :D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Zydar on September 30, 2019, 07:33:16 AM
Interesting fact: The man who speaks in the intro to 'Dignity' is Olof Palme, then prime minister of Sweden - it's taken from his Christmas speech in 1969.

Rough translation:
Quote
"At a year’s end many will experience a feeling of melancholy, considering that which will never return. To others it is a moment of anticipation for the possibilities of conquering the new. Others yet will experience a concern facing a change that provides uncertainty and possible deterioration. All of these emotions are each in their own understandable. Someone said the other day that we reside in the great time of rupture…"
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2019, 08:01:27 AM
Gee, that's weird. I ran it through my Google Translater and this is what it said.

Quote
"Don't listen to this album. It's going to suck. It's going to blow. In fact it sucks and blows. The band has petitioned my office for a band name change. They now want to be called EmOpeth. Avoid this album at all costs and just listen to Ghost Reveries."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Zydar on September 30, 2019, 08:03:35 AM
*sigh*
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: The Walrus on September 30, 2019, 08:05:26 AM
Real talk this new album is better than most of their pre-Watershed stuff. I do not understand the love for those albums, now granted I don't like much growling vocal stuff, but a lot of the old stuff doesn't flow as well as the new stuff and there's that old joke about them repeating every riff a dozen times. IMO Mikael's creativity has flourished since Watershed. A thousand other bands do what Oldpeth did, but there's nobody really doing what Opeth's doing right now, even if it is reminiscent of a period from decades ago, it still sounds different and fresh to my ears. The old stuff ain't going anywhere.

Ghost Reveries, MYAH, Still Life, Deliverance? I sleep.

Pale Communion, Sorceress, In Cauda Venenum? Yeah buddy.

(https://i.imgur.com/9gOKpRE.gif)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2019, 08:08:09 AM
The first couple songs are OK, but then after that, what are we doing here? I don't get it at all. Hey, if people like it, more power to 'em. But honestly, this music sounds so pointless to my ears.

Sorry..
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: The Walrus on September 30, 2019, 08:09:06 AM
The first couple songs are OK, but then after that, what are we doing here? I don't get it at all. Hey, if people like it, more power to 'em. But honestly, this music sounds so pointless to my ears.

Sorry..

Yeah but don't you exclusively listen to 'heavy metal' and that's like, it? Of course you don't get it. Go listen to the old stuff then.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: TAC on September 30, 2019, 08:12:15 AM
I like Ghost Reveries for some reason, and that was before I liked harsh vocals. Since, I haven't had a chance to go back.

My other complaint was that I didn't like Ackerfeldt's clean voice, but interestingly enough, on this new album, his vocals are so much improved.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: The Walrus on September 30, 2019, 08:16:44 AM
I like Ghost Reveries for some reason, and that was before I liked harsh vocals. Since, I haven't had a chance to go back.

My other complaint was that I didn't like Ackerfeldt's clean voice, but interestingly enough, on this new album, his vocals are so much improved.

You should check out Damnation, the older, clean record. His voice is lovely there.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 30, 2019, 08:34:27 AM
I have one listen under my belt and my first thought is that I wished Sorceress sounded like this. This album sounds so much better sonically. Not sure that it will surpass Pale Communion for post-Watershed era favorite but I like it so far. I need some time with it to really adsorb it.

And, Firewings, you could not be more wrong. I generally love your opinions and have great respect for them, but your words on pre-Watershed Opeth is blasphemous! Blasphemy, I tell you! What I refer to as Phase II of Opeth is about as classic as anything I can think of. Couldn't resist taking a shot. We so rarely disagree.

Phase I is the first 2 records with the harmonized guitars. Phase II is My Arms -> Watershed. We're in Phase III now. Just how my brain separates them.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: The Walrus on September 30, 2019, 08:37:51 AM
It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.  :lol I like (and agree with) the way you split them up into phases.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Zantera on September 30, 2019, 12:30:07 PM
Real talk this new album is better than most of their pre-Watershed stuff. I do not understand the love for those albums, now granted I don't like much growling vocal stuff, but a lot of the old stuff doesn't flow as well as the new stuff and there's that old joke about them repeating every riff a dozen times. IMO Mikael's creativity has flourished since Watershed. A thousand other bands do what Oldpeth did, but there's nobody really doing what Opeth's doing right now, even if it is reminiscent of a period from decades ago, it still sounds different and fresh to my ears. The old stuff ain't going anywhere.

Ghost Reveries, MYAH, Still Life, Deliverance? I sleep.

Pale Communion, Sorceress, In Cauda Venenum? Yeah buddy.

(https://i.imgur.com/9gOKpRE.gif)

See this is where I'm on the complete opposite of the spectrum. I think "Oldpeth" as you call them had a unique sound that no other band had and even bands that came close to filling some of the criteria failed to meet other parts of it. For example some other bands does the harsh/clean mix but might not be progressive (metalcore is a genre after all), there's some bands that fall in the "progressive metal" area that does both but you got bands like Dillinger Escape Plan that are more harsh vocals and short songs or a band like Between the Buried and Me that is much more towards the technical side and doesn't have the folk influence of the acoustic guitars like Opeth had. Or you have some other bands that go the folk route but don't do some other part of their sound. The classic Opeth sound for me was a beautiful mixture of harsh vocals, clean vocals, bone crushing heavy guitar riffs, beautiful acoustic passages and the balance was just so nice.

"Newpeth" does something I'm not a big fan of to begin with which is the 70s retro/old prog worship so even before I try to get into the music we're starting at a negative just because the band is doing something that I personally am not a huge fan of. 70s prog rock is cool but I'm not much for nostalgia worship, I feel like emulating what others have done before and more successful isn't the best route because I will usually just go for the originals then. And to me it's almost regressive in a way because Opeth used to be trailblazers of their own style but has in the last few years become more of a "homage" band. I don't dislike their new albums but I definitely feel something is missing. To me it's not as simple as the strawman argument people like to use that the naysayers of the new albums are just salty metalfans who are upset the band isn't growling anymore. To me like I said, their classic sound just had a great balance. Kinda like vanilla ice cream with chocolate sauce. You could separate the two and they would still taste good on their own, but combining the two just makes for something really great. I feel like listening to the clean Opeth albums (even Damnation, which I still think is better than the last few albums) is kinda like eating vanilla ice cream but without the chocolate sauce. It's still good but it could be even better.

As for the songwriting itself I think the strength of the newer albums is the atmosphere/overall mood of the albums which is usually really nice. Again, don't care much for the murky 70s retro sound BUT I can overlook that. Still when I think about the best non-growl Opeth songs I feel the best ones are still in the past. A Fair Judgement, Face of Melinda, Credecence, Harvest, To Bid You Farewell, Windowpane & Isolation Years are all some of my favorite Opeth songs and personally I feel few of the newer songs come close to that level. Opeth not doing growls doesn't have to be bad, I just wish more songs moved me like those I listed. Finally, last part of this wall of text I just want to say that when it comes down to it, I much rather prefer Opeth doing whatever they are passionate about (even if its not what im super passionate about) because if they forced a heavy album just because the fans wanted it then that would be even more disappointing to me.

(also only heard the new album once so far, sounded good!)

 :hat
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Pettor on September 30, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
A thousand other bands do what Oldpeth did, but there's nobody really doing what Opeth's doing right now, even if it is reminiscent of a period from decades ago, it still sounds different and fresh to my ears. The old stuff ain't going anywhere.

Ghost Reveries, ... I sleep.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/131/399/fry.PNG?1307468855)

I am not a big Opeth fan but ... that's just denial  ;D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 30, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Hey, a thousand other bands had growls. Opeth using them was just plain unoriginal. Cannibal Corpse knockoffs, amirite? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Crow on September 30, 2019, 01:24:14 PM
Katt we know growls cause you to have PTSD flashbacks of Vietnam but a lot of the rest of us like them
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: The Walrus on September 30, 2019, 03:15:03 PM
That's a great post, Zantera, and although we don't see eye to eye on either era of Opeth, I totally understand what you're saying.  :metal

Cyril, I do like growls and screams when used in moderation. I like them when they're used effectively - in my top 50 albums thread, Watershed is my favorite Opeth record, because it's balanced so well and the growls sound great and are used effectively, it's not 60 minutes of constant growling every single time there's a vocal line. I also like plenty of other bands who use growls in their music, and still like some bands who use them regularly but it's very hit or miss, the texture and timbre of the singer's growling plays a huge role in whether I like them or not. I really like Amon Amarth's vocalist, and whoever's doing the screaming at the end of, say, Alestorm's "Death Throes of the Terrorsquid" is dope af.

I just think River is a far more pleasant music listening experience than Serenity Painted Death or Demon of the Fall these days. 10 years ago, would've thought differently.  :lol

Also I remember seeing/hearing Barren Earth for the first time in 2011 and thinking, "Wow, this is Opeth 2.0" so definitely go listen to them if you haven't and want more Oldpeth  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: mike099 on September 30, 2019, 05:34:44 PM
Kattelox, try the rivers of Nihil cd 'where owls know my name' and let me know what you think. :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Volante99 on September 30, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Welp, I had high hopes for this one based on the first two released songs but the rest is just kind of watered down, mellotron soaked retro junk they’ve been doing for awhile now. Also at 67 minutes it’s way waaaaay too long. It just didn’t keep my attention unfortunately. I’m going to attempt to give it a few more listens to see if something clicks.

Unpopular opinion; Heritage is still their best “Newpeth” album. It’s super dark, weird, unique, atmospheric and in my opinion an underrated/misunderstood masterpiece.

But I also don’t really like Watershed so, what do I know?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Volante99 on September 30, 2019, 09:29:15 PM
More people have voted Pale Communion than My Arms, Your Hearse. I can't even. One is so epic, so pitch black, so emotive, so dense. The other is so derivative, so mellow, so toothless.

Glad someone said it. Agreed. My Arms Your Hearse is criminally underrated here and amongst Opeth fans in general. April Ethereal, When, Demon of the Fall...all classic Opeth. Otherworldly growling, crushingly heavy guitar riffs, mixed with beautifully melodic guitars and clean singing, everything Opeth -used to be- about. I know a lot of people here don’t like growls but MAYH is the got damn “Dark Side of the Moon” of Scandinavian death metal.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: mike099 on October 01, 2019, 03:29:24 AM
Yes MAYH I had that atmosphere and some great songs.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 01, 2019, 03:43:36 AM
Oh hey, I only just realised I haven't posted in this thread yet. Let's fix that:

my ranking:
#1. Morningrise
#2. Blackwater Park
#3. Orchid
#4. Watershed
#5. My Arms Your Hearse
#6. Still Life
#7. Pale Communion
#8. Ghost Reveries
#9. Damnation
10. Sorceress
11. In Cauda Venenum
12. Deliverance
13. Heritage
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Art on October 01, 2019, 05:44:26 AM
Regarding the new album, i've listened to it just 3 or 4 times, but i really like what i hear. Early favorites are The Garroter and Continuum, but the whole record flows nicely.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on October 01, 2019, 07:35:37 AM
I agree with much of what Zantera said earlier. I find it more and more hard to be wowed by modern prog these days, particularly the brand of 70's prog revivalism/worship. Those sounds and those ideas have been played out and covered before, often by extraordinary artists and releases, so retreading that ground just seems reductive to me. I don't think this style of prog is the worst thing in the world or anything, but I find it far more interesting when a band can take those ideas and meld them with contemporary influences, or just do something altogether new with them. Opeth scratched that very itch for me with their blend of death metal vocals and folk-inspired prog instrumentation. That was a sound largely their own, and what stood them apart from other shades of prog and technical metal.

All of that said though, I do like what I'm hearing off this new album. It's not blowing me away, but there's plenty of good moments that really make this worth revisiting. I've only heard the English version once so far, but I definitely prefer the Swedish one, as the singing sounds a lot more natural and fitted (as to be expected).

I'll have to give it a few more listens, but I think this is their most successful out of the 4 post-Watershed albums.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: kaos2900 on October 01, 2019, 02:16:26 PM
Well I tried. The Opeth I knew and loved died with Watershed. I just do not enjoy the vast majority of post watershed Opeth. This will be the last Opeth album I buy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 01, 2019, 06:00:52 PM
Of what I heard so far. I'm loving it. I'm finding this better than Pale Communion and a bit better than Sorceress.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Fritzinger on October 02, 2019, 01:18:09 AM
I've had my problems with In Cauda at the first few listens, but by now I love it. It's more complex than Sorceress and darker than Pale Communion (in my opinion). And I definitely prefer the Swedish version. Let's see how I manage to sing along during the concert in Nuremberg in November :D

Oh and Minnets yta?? What a haunting song  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Zantera on October 02, 2019, 04:54:08 AM
A few spins in and it's a good album but falls more in line with the last 3 albums than the earlier (and imo better) albums. The swedish version does give it some uniqueness though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Mladen on October 02, 2019, 06:15:12 AM
I'm surprised by how much I like this album, given that I wasn't too crazy about Sorceress. My favorites at the moment are Heart in hand, The Garroter and Dignity. Next of kin is also growing on me, that one is surprisingly sinister. Most of the remaining songs have a whole bunch of highlights and interesting moments (the last two minutes on All things will pass are breathtaking), although they may not be great as a whole. The only song I'm not getting into is Universal truth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: goo-goo on October 02, 2019, 07:35:00 AM
Weird album for me. Starts off very strong and then the quality (at least for me) tapers off around halfway. Absolutely love Mikael's vocals on this album. I would put it in just below Pale Communion compared to the last 4 albums (PC, INV, Sorceress, Heritage).

I get the growling aspect and why MA doesn't want to do it, but would love to hear the Deliverance/Ghost Rev/Watershed heavy guitars with the current vocal style. The Opeth dynamics are still there but not the heavy balls to the wall sound.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Herrick on October 02, 2019, 11:15:19 AM
Well I tried. The Opeth I knew and loved died with Watershed. I just do not enjoy the vast majority of post watershed Opeth. This will be the last Opeth album I buy.

Yikes. Have you been buying Opeth albums all these years after Watershed?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Herrick on October 02, 2019, 11:39:27 AM
I like Ghost Reveries for some reason, and that was before I liked harsh vocals. Since, I haven't had a chance to go back.

My other complaint was that I didn't like Ackerfeldt's clean voice, but interestingly enough, on this new album, his vocals are so much improved.

You should check out Damnation, the older, clean record. His voice is lovely there.

I always thought his clean singing was great.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 02, 2019, 11:59:02 AM
OPETH will make their awaited return to North America in 2020 for a winter tour with labelmates Graveyard. This will be the band’s first tour of the U.S.A. and Canada in support of their newly released, critically praised album, “In Cauda Venenum,” that is available now via Moderbolaget Records / Nuclear Blast. The dates include two nights at the legendary Apollo Theater in New York and performances at the renowned Ryman Auditorium in Nashville and at the famed Hollywood Palladium in Los Angeles.

Tickets will sell fast, beginning 10:00AM Local Time Friday, October 4th at www.opeth.com/tour-dates.

OPETH’s chief songwriter, vocalist and guitarist Mikael Åkerfeldt comments on the tour, “Well, after having had the ”In Cauda Venenum” LP released we’re set to start touring in support of it. Right now, I’m at home practicing. Learning new songs and re-learning older songs. It’s funny how our music lies dormant in the muscle memory. There are songs I haven’t played for years, and there still there somehow. I put together the skeleton of a setlist and looking at it there’s some niceties in there. I hope. Hard to tell really. Touring in North America is always a treat. We all collectively look forward to it. Hope you are too!"

Feb 13 - Agora Theatre - Cleveland, OH
Feb 14 - The Riviera Theatre - Chicago, IL
Feb 15 - Royal Oak Music Theatre - Royal Oak, MI
Feb 17 - The Palladium - Worcester, MA
Feb 18 - MTelus - Montreal, QC
Feb 19 - Rebel - Toronto, ON
Feb 21 - Apollo Theater - New York, NY
Feb 22 - Apollo Theater - New York, NY
Feb 23 - The Fillmore Silver Spring - Silver Spring, MD
Feb 25 - Egyptian Room at Old National Centre - Indianapolis, IN
Feb 26 - Ryman Auditorium - Nashville, TN*
Feb 28 - House of Blues - Houston, TX
Feb 29 - The Pavilion at Toyota Music Factory - Irving , TX
Mar 01 - Arvest Bank Theatre at The Midland - Kansas City, MO*
Mar 02 - The Mission Ballroom - Denver, CO
Mar 04 - Hollywood Palladium - Los Angeles, CA

Graveyard support on all dates except *
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Lonk on October 02, 2019, 12:10:26 PM
2 dates in NY, interesting. I guess I should go to the second night.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: mike099 on October 02, 2019, 12:14:37 PM
I will be at the Nashville show at the Ryman.  Mastodon played the Ryman a few years ago.  Those church pew seats will be a bitch.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: kaos2900 on October 02, 2019, 01:36:27 PM
There are some interesting parts on the album (particularly on the first couple of tracks) but I echo what others have said in regards to the growls. I could live without them if their musical sound was still interesting to me. I like MA's voice, but this type of prog is boring and sound pretentious to my ears.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 03, 2019, 04:39:44 PM
So this album's actually kinda great; consider me pleasantly surprised. Heritage is still probably my favorite of their post-Watershed material, but this album comes pretty close. I enjoy the more consistent heaviness, and the thick gothic atmosphere it's got going on. There's hardly any duds either: I find The Garroter and to a lesser extent Lovelorn Crime to be a bit boring and longer than they should be, and Universal Truth is too all-over the place for me and the falsetto vocals in the chorus sound pretty bad, but apart from that all the other songs get a thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2019, 07:50:26 PM
New album is sounding great so far; love the vibe.  I doubt it will top Pale Communion as far as being my favorite Opeth record of this 10's, but this is definitely a major upgrade from Sorceress.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: ? on October 18, 2019, 12:43:58 AM
Did The Simpsons inspire the Watershed cover art? :P

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHI5pxlX0AALeWU?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: ? on October 25, 2019, 05:33:30 AM
Finally managed to scribble down some thoughts on In Cauda Venenum: https://www.musicalypse.net/2019-opeth-in-cauda-venenum-english/

In short: it rocks.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 28, 2019, 12:22:34 PM
This album grabs me more and more everyday and I can't stop listening to it. I'm bound to say this might be my favourite album of the "new" Opeth era.
I will also say that the album includes so many details and layers, it's best heard with headphones I think.

Sidenote: it's really cool hearing a prog rock album of this calibre being sung in your native tongue.

Favourites so far:

Svekets Prins
Hjärtat vet vad handen gör
Minnets yta (the solo is magical)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 29, 2019, 05:08:52 PM
Opeth - Cirkelns Riktning (In Cauda Venenum B-Side) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hjCYh9E_4)

Sounds cool!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum forthcoming
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 29, 2019, 05:34:16 PM
First setlist of the tour for those interested. Spoiler alert: It’s amazing!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2019/nick-rayns-lcr-uea-norwich-england-2b9dc02a.html
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 29, 2019, 05:59:23 PM
First setlist of the tour for those interested. Spoiler alert: It’s amazing!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2019/nick-rayns-lcr-uea-norwich-england-2b9dc02a.html

That is Amazing.
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Post by: KevShmev on October 29, 2019, 08:25:24 PM
Very nice set list, and well balanced. 3 new songs, nothing from Sorceress and then 1 each from the eight albums prior (Still Life through Pale Communion).
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Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2019, 08:27:26 PM
So looking forward to seeing them live for the 1st time in February. 
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Post by: Mladen on October 30, 2019, 02:14:10 AM
That's one awesome set list.  :metal
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Post by: Rattlehead on October 30, 2019, 06:59:23 AM
That is a really nice set list. I'm also really digging the new album, it's a lot more consistent than Sorceress in my opinion. Favorite songs as of now are Dignity, Next of Kin and All Things Will Pass. I still haven't listened to the entire Swedish version yet, but my initial impression was that Mikael's vocals sound even better, which of course makes sense if the lyrics were originally written in Swedish.
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Post by: Crow on October 30, 2019, 12:32:39 PM
My impressions after 3 listens:
Different language doesn't matter much to me, Akerfeldt sounds fine either way and the music is 90% of why I'm here
Even-numbered tracks are almost all or are entirely all superior to odd-numbered tracks. Track 4 is the best one, I'm feeling.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 30, 2019, 01:02:27 PM
Even-numbered tracks are almost all or are entirely all superior to odd-numbered tracks.

Hah, that's funny. With the exceptions of Heart In Hand (and Continuum, which I like but is probably closer to the bottom ranking-wise), I agree with you.
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Post by: Crow on October 30, 2019, 01:04:57 PM
Yeah Heart in Hand is the exception, that one is rad

Honestly tracks 2-6 is all a good run and then the rest kinda meander/lose me a bit

Continuum is probably the most forgettable track here, as in, I don't remember what it sounds like atm
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 01, 2019, 05:35:55 AM
Continuum is probably the most forgettable track here, as in, I don't remember what it sounds like atm
I have to say the section at 4:50 and onwards in Continuum is lovely especially with the background vocals.
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Post by: Fritzinger on November 16, 2019, 03:51:50 AM
So I saw Opeth last night in Nürnberg. We had front row seats. The sound was absolutely perfect, the band played well together and, man, is Mikael Akerfeld from this world???

At the end, the master had mercy with us:

(https://i.ibb.co/L6L9jV7/IMG-3154.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/prVGj6k/IMG-8060.jpg)
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Post by: RoeDent on December 15, 2019, 07:49:15 AM
I'm a bit disappointed that the magnificent chord progression (F#m-Bm-C-A-Am-Ab-Cm-F#) near the beginning of Dignity only seems to appear there.
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Post by: Fritzinger on December 15, 2019, 08:41:23 AM
I always felt like Akerfeldt's composing style is more "linear" than f.e. Morse's or (at times) Wilson's. He doesn't reprise themes as often. I sometimes find that a pity too, but I got used to it :)
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Post by: Mladen on December 15, 2019, 08:55:54 AM
That is very true, especially with his earliest works. In one interview, he compared his music to movies, where you wouldn't expect scenes to be repeating.
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Post by: gazinwales on December 15, 2019, 02:39:29 PM
Saw the band on Saturday night at the State Theatre in Sydney. I wasn't going to bother, but a mate got a freebie ticket so I went along.
Probably the best performance from Opeth out of the 4 times I have seen them over the years.
The sound was amazing, crystal clear, not too loud and my ears were not ringing afterwards.
MA was in great form, his banter with the audience was hilarious, I'd pay to see him do stand up comedy.
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Post by: Fritzinger on December 16, 2019, 03:24:03 AM
Saw the band on Saturday night at the State Theatre in Sydney. I wasn't going to bother, but a mate got a freebie ticket so I went along.
Probably the best performance from Opeth out of the 4 times I have seen them over the years.
The sound was amazing, crystal clear, not too loud and my ears were not ringing afterwards.
MA was in great form, his banter with the audience was hilarious, I'd pay to see him do stand up comedy.

100% - I never thought he would have such a weird humour until I saw him live  :lol


On another note: I found Blackwater Park on vinyl in Vienna 4 days ago. I have been listening to nothing but this album for days now. Holy shit, it's haunting! I don't know if I'm the only one with this, but I think it perfectly fits the winter season. It's sinister, dark and heavy - but not too heavy and the growls don't feel overwhelming but are just a part of the overall sound, as are the clean vocals. Steven Wilson's influence is also clearly audible. Akerfeldt and Wilson make an awesome duo.

I might continue with a Deliverance/Damnation binge, since I found that triple-LP set online a few weeks back (it's not easy to find anymore).
I'm loving this band more and more, especially their "not-earlier-not-later"-albums Blackwater Park up to Watershed.
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Post by: ? on February 06, 2020, 12:53:33 AM
I saw Opeth in Helsinki last month and wrote a review (https://www.musicalypse.net/opeth-w-the-vintage-caravan-jaahalli-black-box-helsinki-15-01-2020-english/)
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Post by: utopiarun on February 18, 2020, 11:46:43 AM
Opeth posted yesterday on Twitter about a few shows being cancelled due to Mikael's acute laryngitis. Sorry if you had tix to those shows. I hope he's ok for NY this weekend! Sorry I don't know how to link images.
 
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 18, 2020, 11:53:31 AM
I was supposed to see Opeth last night but they postponed last minute.  Mikael had laryngitis.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 18, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
I was supposed to see Opeth last night but they postponed last minute.  Mikael had laryngitis.

Same. :-\ Opted not to get a refund yet, hopefully they re-schedule soon. Maybe even get a venue switch to somewhere better than the Palladium. :neverusethis:
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 18, 2020, 12:21:28 PM
The Paladium renovated and the place is 1000 x better. I was shocked to see it done.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 20, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
I remembered and finally bought Garden of The Titans. It's a good live release with a great setlist as well. I wanted to go to this so bad, but had other obligations. The weather being nippy and windy, plus the lighting, made for a great atmosphere/vibe for them.
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Post by: mike099 on February 26, 2020, 05:32:20 PM
Eating at Jimmy Johns before the Opeth concert at the Ryman Auditorium.  Did not look at the set list, but heard it is a good set. 
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 26, 2020, 10:24:58 PM
Eating at Jimmy Johns before the Opeth concert at the Ryman Auditorium.  Did not look at the set list, but heard it is a good set.

It is. Although they have made a couple changes since the NA leg started.
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Post by: mike099 on February 26, 2020, 11:01:14 PM
As expected in the Ryman, the sound was awesome.  I was 3 rows back from the stage.
Graveyard opened and I enjoyed the set and the crowd reacted well to them. They were stoner/jam.

Opeth was really good, although it did bog down a bit for me and a few of the songs were not my favorites, but you can’t please everyone.

As stated in the post above, the set was changed some.  I really wanted to hear a song from Still Life, but got a song from the last album, which rocked.
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Post by: Rattlehead on March 07, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
I saw them in NYC on their second night at the Apollo. It was a great show and Mikael sounded surprisingly good considering how he was getting over laryngitis.

I didn't care for the opening act Graveyard, they seemed to be a talented group but it just felt like their songs mostly blended together and the set really dragged for me.

I wasn't expecting Mikael to do the new songs in Swedish, but it was definitely cool. They played some of the best songs on the new album and the setlist overall was great. I just found it puzzling that they played the same exact setlist on both nights NYC. I would have been slightly disappointed if I had attended both shows, but as always it was a treat to see them again.  :tup
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 14, 2020, 04:26:44 PM
Opeth - Hope Leaves (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_m47qz9A4o)

Hmm somethings diffrent  :lol Pretty cool though!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 03, 2020, 07:12:56 PM
Can I just take the moment to highlight the last couple of seconds of Ghost of Perdition, such a great ending riff!  :metal
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 04, 2020, 09:14:18 AM
Can I just take the moment to highlight the last couple of seconds of Ghost of Perdition, such a great ending riff!  :metal

That whole song (and album for that matter) is just absolutely perfect IMO. To me, it's the defining Opeth song.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 04, 2020, 09:25:07 AM
Can I just take the moment to highlight the last couple of seconds of Ghost of Perdition, such a great ending riff!  :metal

That whole song (and album for that matter) is just absolutely perfect IMO. To me, it's the defining Opeth song.
Yea I pretty much agree on that.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 04, 2020, 10:01:21 AM
Ghost Reveries hasn't aged as well as some of their other albums for me; I think it'd just barely crack my top five of theirs. That said, it's the perfect entry point for someone who's first getting into the band. Sits right in the middle between their death metal / progressive rock elements without tipping too far in either direction.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 04, 2020, 11:45:11 AM
Ghost Reveries hasn't aged as well as some of their other albums for me; I think it'd just barely crack my top five of theirs. That said, it's the perfect entry point for someone who's first getting into the band. Sits right in the middle between their death metal / progressive rock elements without tipping too far in either direction.

That’s one of the many reasons why it’s my favorite album
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Post by: Zydar on April 04, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
It's my favourite album too.
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Post by: NoseofNicko on April 04, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
+2
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Post by: Volante99 on April 04, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
Hot take:

Heritage is still the best “post-growl” Opeth album and better than half of their growl albums, and might be in the top 10 prog albums of the decade.

Also, the production on that album is incredible. Listening to the album on some Tannoy Red studio monitors sounds like the band is playing in my room. The drum sounds are orgasmic.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 04, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
Heritage is still the best “post-growl” Opeth album

Yes!

and might be in the top 10 prog albums of the decade

aaand you lost me. :lol Unless your definition of "prog" is really narrow.
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Post by: Volante99 on April 04, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
Heritage is still the best “post-growl” Opeth album

Yes!

and might be in the top 10 prog albums of the decade

aaand you lost me. :lol Unless your definition of "prog" is really narrow.

It’s not that my definition of prog is narrow, I just think it’s THAT good. Case in point, I would easily put it over any DT album of the past decade, except maybe ADToE, and that’s a big maybe.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 05, 2020, 09:26:07 AM
Can I just take the moment to highlight the last couple of seconds of Ghost of Perdition, such a great ending riff!  :metal

I admittedly have a habit of rewinding the last few moments of GoP so I can hear that ending riff a few more times. It's on par with the ending riff of Iron Maiden's Hallowed Be Thy Name in terms of wrapping up an epic with a bang! :metal

Can I just take the moment to highlight the last couple of seconds of Ghost of Perdition, such a great ending riff!  :metal

That whole song (and album for that matter) is just absolutely perfect IMO. To me, it's the defining Opeth song.

Yeah. I'm not sure if it's my absolute favorite Opeth song or not, but I think it's the perfect one to show to newcomers and try to get them hooked right away.

As for Opeth's best album, I'm not sure. I have come to better appreciate and love Ghost Reveries over time, but I've always had a soft spot for My Arms Your Hearse and especially Still Life.
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Post by: 425 on April 05, 2020, 09:32:48 AM
Heritage is still the best “post-growl” Opeth album and better than half of their growl albums, and might be in the top 10 prog albums of the decade.

I adore Heritage. In fact, my hotter take is that it is my favorite Opeth album, period, easily.

Top 10 prog albums of the decade is a really tough list to crack, though.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 06, 2020, 11:25:53 AM
Can I just take the moment to highlight the last couple of seconds of Ghost of Perdition, such a great ending riff!  :metal

I admittedly have a habit of rewinding the last few moments of GoP so I can hear that ending riff a few more times. It's on par with the ending riff of Iron Maiden's Hallowed Be Thy Name in terms of wrapping up an epic with a bang! :metal
:highfive:

Did that too the other day, I gotta hear it a couple of times whenever I listen to it.  :lol
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 06, 2020, 10:50:26 PM
Just as an aside here, if any folks in the thread are wanting to hear a band that captures a lot of the vibes of classic metal era of Opeth, check out Wilderun. They're more folky/symphonic, but that band definitely seems to capture the vibe of the older era of Opeth without coming off as a total ripoff.

Can I just take the moment to highlight the last couple of seconds of Ghost of Perdition, such a great ending riff!  :metal

I admittedly have a habit of rewinding the last few moments of GoP so I can hear that ending riff a few more times. It's on par with the ending riff of Iron Maiden's Hallowed Be Thy Name in terms of wrapping up an epic with a bang! :metal
:highfive:

Did that too the other day, I gotta hear it a couple of times whenever I listen to it.  :lol

I tend to rewind it about three to five times before moving on to other stuff. It's just too good an ending! :lol :metal
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Post by: goo-goo on April 07, 2020, 10:12:00 AM
Was watching Criminal Minds last night (Season 1, Episode 22) and right before it ends, Opeth music comes in the background. The song was Death Whispered a Lullaby. Pretty cool hearing it in a TV series.
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Post by: Kram on July 25, 2020, 04:39:36 PM
I gave this a spin today for the first time in several months and I've got to say it's held up quite well. Definitely the best post Watershed work in my opinion.  Every song is strong IMO.  I got goosebumps at the end of All Things Will Pass.  It's like that part doesn't just resolve the song but resolves the whole album - good stuff!
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Post by: DTA on July 25, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
I wish I liked it. I listened a bunch  the first week it came out and have had zero desire to listen to it since then. None of these songs stick in my head or connect in any way...it's all so lifeless to me and nothing keeps my interest.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 25, 2020, 09:13:18 PM
I’m a bit confused why people don’t talk about how epic Next of Kin is. The guitar work, and that outro!
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 25, 2020, 09:21:16 PM
Next Of Kin might be my favorite on the album, yeah. Took a bit for me to warm up to it, though.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 25, 2020, 09:28:22 PM
My favorite too
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Post by: Mladen on July 26, 2020, 09:07:00 AM
That's one of their darkest, most sinister songs in the last ten years. Mikael's vocals are especially chilling.
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Post by: Volante99 on July 26, 2020, 10:59:37 AM
I wish I liked it. I listened a bunch  the first week it came out and have had zero desire to listen to it since then. None of these songs stick in my head or connect in any way...it's all so lifeless to me and nothing keeps my interest.

That’s kinda how I feel about the last three albums. Sure there’s an okay riff here, a cool solo there, but there isn’t one single song in the last three albums where I’ve ever said to myself - “Oh, man, I really want to listen to X song again”.

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Post by: Kram on July 26, 2020, 12:41:27 PM
Yes, Next of Kin is one of my favorites too. There's a few good guitar solos on this album.  I really like the solo in Lovelorn Crime as well!
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Post by: RoeDent on July 27, 2020, 01:06:38 PM
Intriguing that, in my experience of Opeth so far, the sound I define them by is the acoustic guitar, not the electric. That, or the guitar/organ/bass unison/octaves passages.
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Post by: LudwigVan on August 08, 2020, 02:43:28 PM
Orchid has to qualify as one of the best stoner rock albums ever.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on August 09, 2020, 01:11:38 PM
My current Opeth discography ranking is as follows -

1. Ghost Reveries
2a. Blackwater Park
2b. Watershed 
4. Still Life
5. Deliverance
6. In Cauda Venenum
7. Damnation
8. Pale Communion
9. My Arms Your Hearse
10. Orchid
11. Heritage
12. Sorceress
13. Morningrise

The first 5 are all 5 star albums in my book.  Really like the new one as well!
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Post by: twosuitsluke on August 09, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
I'll give this a go. Mine's not too dissimilar to yours :corn

1. Ghost Reveries
2.Watershed 
3. Blackwater Park
4. Still Life
5. Damnation
6. In Cauda Venenum
7. Deliverance
8. Pale Communion
9. Sorceress
10. Heritage
11. My Arms Your Hearse
12. Orchid
13. Morningrise

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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 09, 2020, 07:58:04 PM
1. Ghost Reveries
2. Still Life
3. Blackwater Park
4. Deliverance
5. Damnation
6. Watershed
7. In Cauda Venenum
8. Pale Communion
9. My Arms, Your Hearse
10. Sorceress
11. Heritage
12. Morningrise
13. Orchid
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Post by: Volante99 on August 09, 2020, 10:33:52 PM
Ghost Reveries - heavy metal perfection
Heritage - proggy-weirdness perfection
My Arms Your Hearse - their most “evil” sounding record, underrated
Blackwater Park - maybe the peak of “classic” Opeth sound
Still Life
Deliverance
Morningrise


...the rest

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Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 10, 2020, 12:47:17 AM
1. Morningrise
2. Blackwater Park
3. Watershed
4. Still Life
5. My Arms Your Hearse
6. Orchid
7. Deliverance
8. Pale Communion
9. Sorceress
10. Damnation
11. Ghost Reveries
12. In Cauda Venenum
13. Heritage
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Post by: krands85 on August 10, 2020, 05:12:23 AM
Something like this:

Tier 1: Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park, Deliverance
Tier 2: Watershed
Tier 3: Morningrise, Orchid

Tier 4: Still Life, My Arms Your Hearse, Damnation
Tier 5: Pale Communion, Heritage, Sorceress, In Cauda Venenum

Not 100% sure on my order, but albums in each tier are pretty closely matched. Pretty big gap between tiers 3 and 4.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 10, 2020, 09:07:37 AM
Blackwater Park (This blend of soft and heavy, and folkish sound is what drew me into Opeth)
Ghost Reveries (The album title explains the atmosphere perfectly, Sitting in an empty candlelit room with a full moon shining through the dusty windows, telling Ghost Stories)
Damnation/Deliverence ( I place these two as one due to them being complete polar opposites of another, one being extremely soft, acoustic, and calm, the other hard, loud, and hectic)
Sorceress (Even though the production is what it is, these songs are great, it's shown on Garden of Titans, Era being a great one)
Watershed (Continuing the Blackwater Park era sound, but adding an even more darker, mysterious, sinister mood)
My Arms, Your Hearse (Interesting way they made the lyrics into a story, on the liner notes, has one of my favorites 'When')
Morningrise (It has some amazing bass work. Nectar being one I like, don't know why)
Heritage (I enjoy the songs, the flow of the album is where I find it hard for me to listen it in full)
Pale Communion (The songs are good, but I find it hard for me to listen to the album in full)
Orchid (As Mikael describes it now, Just black metal nonsense)


Still Life and In Cauda Venenum, haven't listened to these as much. Although, Face of Melinda is an excellent song. Roundhouse Tapes version is my definitive version.
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Post by: Zantera on August 10, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
1. Deliverance
2. Still Life
3. My Arms, Your Hearse
4. Ghost Reveries
5. Blackwater Park
6. Orchid
7. Morningrise
8. Watershed
9. Damnation
10. In Cauda Venenum
11. Pale Communion
12. Heritage
13. Sorceress
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Post by: Kram on August 10, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Blackwater Park (This blend of soft and heavy, and folkish sound is what drew me into Opeth)
Ghost Reveries (The album title explains the atmosphere perfectly, Sitting in an empty candlelit room with a full moon shining through the dusty windows, telling Ghost Stories)
Damnation/Deliverence ( I place these two as one due to them being complete polar opposites of another, one being extremely soft, acoustic, and calm, the other hard, loud, and hectic)
Sorceress (Even though the production is what it is, these songs are great, it's shown on Garden of Titans, Era being a great one)
Watershed (Continuing the Blackwater Park era sound, but adding an even more darker, mysterious, sinister mood)
My Arms, Your Hearse (Interesting way they made the lyrics into a story, on the liner notes, has one of my favorites 'When')
Morningrise (It has some amazing bass work. Nectar being one I like, don't know why)
Heritage (I enjoy the songs, the flow of the album is where I find it hard for me to listen it in full)
Pale Communion (The songs are good, but I find it hard for me to listen to the album in full)
Orchid (As Mikael describes it now, Just black metal nonsense)


Still Life and In Cauda Venenum, haven't listened to these as much. Although, Face of Melinda is an excellent song. Roundhouse Tapes version is my definitive version.

Still Life is one of their best.  In Cauda Venenum is really good too.
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Post by: DTA on August 11, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
1. Still Life
2. Orchid
3. My Arms Your Hearse
4. Morningrise
5. Damnation
6. Deliverance
7. Blackwater Park
8. Watershed
9. Ghost Reveries
-----
1000. Heritage
1001. In Cauda Venenum
1002. Sorceress
1003. Pale Communion
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 11, 2020, 03:50:50 PM
1000. Heritage
1001. In Cauda Venenum
1002. Sorceress
1003. Pale Communion

Jeez, that much of a quality gap? :lol

Kudos for getting the order of those four right, at least.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 11, 2020, 04:04:04 PM
Watershed is my favorite, although I still haven't listened to the early few.

I didn't care for Heritage, and I sort of liked Pale Communion the one time I listened through it, but I've never gone back to it so I guess it didn't make too much of an impact on me.  :lol
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 11, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
1. Still Life
2. Orchid
3. My Arms Your Hearse
4. Morningrise
5. Damnation
6. Deliverance
7. Blackwater Park
8. Watershed
9. Ghost Reveries
-----
1000. Heritage
1001. In Cauda Venenum
1002. Sorceress
1003. Pale Communion

Quite dramatic there, interesting! I mean it’s almost agreed by all Opeth fans that the newer records don’t even come close to the classic ones, but they’re not THAT bad are they?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on August 11, 2020, 07:06:21 PM
1. Still Life
2. Orchid
3. My Arms Your Hearse
4. Morningrise
5. Damnation
6. Deliverance
7. Blackwater Park
8. Watershed
9. Ghost Reveries
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1000. Heritage
1001. In Cauda Venenum
1002. Sorceress
1003. Pale Communion

Quite dramatic there, interesting! I mean it’s almost agreed by all Opeth fans that the newer records don’t even come close to the classic ones, but they’re not THAT bad are they?

I'm more interested by there apparently being 991 other Opeth albums that I've never heard of before.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: DTA on August 12, 2020, 04:25:48 PM
1. Still Life
2. Orchid
3. My Arms Your Hearse
4. Morningrise
5. Damnation
6. Deliverance
7. Blackwater Park
8. Watershed
9. Ghost Reveries
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1000. Heritage
1001. In Cauda Venenum
1002. Sorceress
1003. Pale Communion

Quite dramatic there, interesting! I mean it’s almost agreed by all Opeth fans that the newer records don’t even come close to the classic ones, but they’re not THAT bad are they?

They bore me to tears. I cannot stand music that bores me, especially when their output from Orchid through Watershed was as compelling as it was. I've listened to these 4 albums multiple times and nothing sticks. I can't remember how any of the songs go which is unusual because I can usually latch onto and learn new music very quickly. There's a few exceptions like the main riff of Sorceress, the chorus of Era, the outro of All Things Will Pass, most of The Devil's Orchard and I Feel The Darkness, and the intro to Voice Of Treason. But the rest is a meandering blur.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: DoctorAction on August 13, 2020, 02:35:16 AM
I feel kinda similar. They were an absolute favourite of mine (discovered then after BW came out and went back through the discography) but I've not been able to get into them for years now. I sometimes play bits of BW (Bleak). I gave Sorceress a good bash and i thought it had some memorable parts but it didn't stick. The trouble is, i find them incredibly dull now, for the most part.

I really enjoy the short numbers (Hours Of Wealth, Isolation, Coil, for example) and Mikael is a great singer, but it doesn't connect any more. It's probably just my tastes changing.

I really respect that he's followed his own muse, and there's no one else like them.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 13, 2020, 12:58:15 PM
1. Still Life
2. Orchid
3. My Arms Your Hearse
4. Morningrise
5. Damnation
6. Deliverance
7. Blackwater Park
8. Watershed
9. Ghost Reveries
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1000. Heritage
1001. In Cauda Venenum
1002. Sorceress
1003. Pale Communion

Quite dramatic there, interesting! I mean it’s almost agreed by all Opeth fans that the newer records don’t even come close to the classic ones, but they’re not THAT bad are they?
The funny thing is that DTAs 1-9 is pretty much exactly reversed for me.  :lol Not including 1000-1003 though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 13, 2020, 01:06:47 PM
1: Blackwater Park
2: Watershed
3/4: My Arms Your Hearse / Deliverance
5: Ghost Reveries
6: Heritage
7/8: Sorceress / In Cauda Venenum
9: Damnation
10: Still Life
11: Pale Communion
12: Morningrise
13: Orchid? (never been able to get through more than a few songs of this one)

I admittedly don't listen to these guys much these days so this might be a bit inaccurate.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 10, 2020, 11:07:46 AM
'Tis the season for Opeth listening. Autumn is hitting me hard this year. Haven't listened in quite some time, I cannot decide what to listen to first. Haven't heard the newest album yet, so maybe there.. but I'm kinda feeling like some classic pre-Watershed stuff.. Decisions...
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 26, 2020, 11:02:53 AM
The song "Deliverance" is one of their best songs. Always liked that one. Really the whole album is great, not sure why it's considered a weak album by the band, it's top 5 for me. MAYH, SL, BWP, D/D, and GR are all top albums and have to be the strongest single run of albums in the prog metal universe.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 26, 2020, 12:59:56 PM
I'd mainly agree but say the run from Still Life>Watershed is stronger.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 26, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
I'd mainly agree but say the run from Still Life>Watershed is stronger.

For me, Watershed is a transitional album, a farewell to the first classic era, and the beginning to a new one, even though it wasn't obvious at the time of release, or until Heritage came out. But with the lineup changes and the differences in approach from GR to WS (which was even more dramatic with the follow up) I look at Watershed as the beginning of the newer era, they just hadn't stripped away the death growls and overall 'sound' of the previous era yet, but had already changed things up in a lot of ways, incorporating elements not heard on previous albums (whether they worked is another story). The first sign is right in the beginning with the female vocals, or the clavinet appearing on an Opeth album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: The Walrus on October 26, 2020, 02:10:49 PM
As of right now... a few of these could shift around with each other (like 5 through 7, or 9-12)

1. Watershed
2. Damnation
3. Blackwater Park
4. Pale Communion (tight race between these top 4)
5. Morningrise
6. Ghost Reveries
7. Orchid (big drop off from 4 to 5, but I still like these three records a fair bit)
8. In Cauda Venenum
9. Sorceress (haven't, admittedly, listened to these two nearly as much as I should have, but I do like them a lot)
10. Still Life
11. Deliverance
12. My Arms, Your Hearse (not really into these three albums at all outside of maybe one song each)
13. Heritage (don't like this other than Devil's Orchard, at least the three ranked above it are kind of musically exciting, this is just sleepy)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Peter Mc on October 26, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
These rankings aren’t making me want to go back and give the Nopeth albums another go!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: The Walrus on October 26, 2020, 02:45:58 PM
I agree, I have no desire to listen to MAYH or Still Life at all :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on October 26, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
1. Ghost Reveries
2a. Blackwater Park
2b. Watershed
4. Still Life
5. Deliverance
6. In Cauda Venenum
7. Damnation
8. Pale Communion
9. My Arms Your Hearse
10. Sorceress
11. Heritage
12. Orchid
13. Morningrise
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 26, 2020, 05:15:00 PM
I haven't heard their latest yet.

 :hefdaddy :o  :flame:
 1.  Ghost Reveries
 2.  Blackwater Park
 3.  Deliverance

 :metal  :biggrin:  :omg:
 4.  Still Life
 5.  Pale Communion
 6.  My Arms, your hearse

 :hat  :millahhhh  :coolio
 7.  Damnation
 8.  Heritage
 9.  Sorceress

 :xbones :corn  :eek
10. Watershed
11. Morningrise
12. Orchid
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 26, 2020, 07:45:55 PM
Death metal era:
#1. Morningrise
#2. Blackwater Park
#3. Watershed
#4. Still Life
#5. Ghost Reveries
#6. Orchid
#7. Deliverance
#8. My Arms, Your Hearse
#9. Damnation

Prog era:
#1. Pale Communion
#2. Soceress
#3. In Cauda Venenum
#4. Heritage

I'd merge these rankings together, but honestly it feels wrong to compare them because they're so different.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 30, 2020, 11:50:53 AM

I'd merge these rankings together, but honestly it feels wrong to compare them because they're so different.

See, I think there's 3 overarching eras.

Before Martin Lopez, Martin Lopez era, and after Martin Lopez.

Every classic Opeth album has Lopez listed as "drummer".

However, the transition into a "proggier" band happened before Heritage. It kind of started with Deliverance, Damnation, then fully materialized with Ghost Reveries, their best album, imo. Since then, the band has been pretty different, not only because of the lineup change. They only did one more album with death growls, and the heaviness was cut back a bit after Watershed, but even Watershed saw lots of different things appearing on an Opeth album, this was continued into the 2010s. Cutting out death growls was the last thing to happen in the transition to a prog band.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LudwigVan on October 30, 2020, 11:54:31 AM
Death metal era:
#1. Morningrise
#2. Blackwater Park
#3. Watershed
#4. Still Life
#5. Ghost Reveries
#6. Orchid
#7. Deliverance
#8. My Arms, Your Hearse
#9. Damnation

Prog era:
#1. Pale Communion
#2. Soceress
#3. In Cauda Venenum
#4. Heritage

I'd merge these rankings together, but honestly it feels wrong to compare them because they're so different.

Cool! That's the first time I've ever seen Morningrise at the top of any Opeth list. I think it tends to get overlooked.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 30, 2020, 12:06:33 PM
In my early Opeth listening days (Deliverance/Damnation era) I used to consider Morningrise their best or 2nd best album, but that opinion has faded more and more as time has gone on. I actually listened to it yesterday for the first time in years, and the whole album felt like one continuous song until To Bid You Farewell which is a top 10 Opeth composition. It's not a bad album, but the song writing just kept improving on each album in those early days.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on October 30, 2020, 12:16:57 PM
In my early Opeth listening days (Deliverance/Damnation era) I used to consider Morningrise their best or 2nd best album, but that opinion has faded more and more as time has gone on. I actually listened to it yesterday for the first time in years, and the whole album felt like one continuous song until To Bid You Farewell which is a top 10 Opeth composition. It's not a bad album, but the song writing just kept improving on each album in those early days.

Morningrise isn't one of their best ones to me but The Night and the Silent Water would definitely make my top10 Opeth songs. I think To Bid You Farewell is a pretty great track too. Black Rose Immortal definitely feels like a gimmick song, it's good but it does not need to be 20 minutes. Advent is pretty solid too. Nectar is the one that I would say is forgettable because I can't remember much about it honestly.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 30, 2020, 12:22:29 PM
In my early Opeth listening days (Deliverance/Damnation era) I used to consider Morningrise their best or 2nd best album, but that opinion has faded more and more as time has gone on. I actually listened to it yesterday for the first time in years, and the whole album felt like one continuous song until To Bid You Farewell which is a top 10 Opeth composition. It's not a bad album, but the song writing just kept improving on each album in those early days.

Morningrise isn't one of their best ones to me but The Night and the Silent Water would definitely make my top10 Opeth songs. I think To Bid You Farewell is a pretty great track too. Black Rose Immortal definitely feels like a gimmick song, it's good but it does not need to be 20 minutes. Advent is pretty solid too. Nectar is the one that I would say is forgettable because I can't remember much about it honestly.

Advent used to be my favorite Opeth track for a while, used to be able to play it all on guitar.

Nice avatar btw, Phish and Opeth are like night and day. Like summer and winter.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 30, 2020, 12:51:01 PM
Black Rose Immortal would probably be in my bottom three Opeth songs. 21 minutes of nothing memorable.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 30, 2020, 01:32:55 PM
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Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on October 30, 2020, 02:33:55 PM
Black Rose Immortal would probably be in my bottom three Opeth songs. 21 minutes of nothing memorable.

The main/intro riff always stuck in my head as a great Opeth riff but I get your point and honestly it's one of those tracks as I'm listening to it, I'm thinking "yeah its pretty cool" but then 2 hours later I've kinda forgotten a lot of it. Bottom 3 seems a bit harsh though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Peter Mc on October 30, 2020, 05:31:25 PM
I seem to remember liking Black Rose Immortal but tbh I tended to listen to the Blackwater Park to Watershed era so it’s not like I listened to it a whole lot.  I tried with the newer stuff and still own Heritage and Pale Communion but I just can’t get into it.  It’s not the lack of growls for me as that was the part of Opeth’s sound that I took longest to appreciate, I’m not a fan of harsh vocals in general.  I actually really liked Damnation although it wasn’t what I wanted them to do permanently.  The thing I miss is the huge riffs and majestic melodies. 

I’d probably rank Opeth second only to Ozzy-era Sabbath as the greatest metal band of all time. It’s that metal sound that I miss and it’s kind of ruined their albums for me now as I always feel kind of sad listening to them knowing that they don’t make that type of music anymore.  I know it shouldn’t as those albums are still there and I don’t blame Akerfeldt for making the music he wants to make. It’s just that I don’t think the new stuff is very good and I loved what they used to do. That’s my problem though not his.

I should also say that I like lots of prog music, like Neal Morse, Steven Wilson, Marillion, not just metal.  I just don’t think they are a particularly great prog band.  I also like Damnation, as I mentioned, but that had this really folky melodic sound that was in their music anyway.  The new stuff seems lacking in memorable melodies, more cold and atonal in sound.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 31, 2020, 01:13:34 PM
I've had issues with the newer music as well, and I don't even listen to death metal, and do listen to prog rock, prog metal, jazz, etc... If it was just the removal of growls, I don't think fans would complain as much, but the overall writing changed after the big lineup changes happened between GR and WS. That is what I think some fans have issue with, and of course some miss the metal parts as well.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on October 31, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
I'm going through Opeth's discography, haven't listened to the classic albums in years, and it's been a while since I've dug into the more recent albums. I've been more-or-less going chronologically, and I'm up to Ghost Reveries. Haven't listened to the band that much since all the lineup changes between GR and WS. I've kept up, but that's about it. I did like Heritage a lot when it came out, though. So now I'm curious to see how I feel about the last bunch of albums going forward. Listening to the band's first 8 albums really brings me back.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on November 01, 2020, 02:16:58 PM
Watershed sounds like all the other recent albums, only difference is there's death metal on it. To me, as metal players, Fredrik Akesson and Martin Axenrot don't stand out to me, especially compared to the previous lineup. Obviously they are skilled players. The classic sound is not there. Take that for what it is, I don't listen to much metal, but have listened to my fair share. I wasn't into this album when it came out (compared to Ghost Reveries a few years earlier where I couldn't listen to it enough) I wasn't opposed to the change of direction on the next album. There's a possibility they would have repeated Watershed 4 more times and people would be calling the music stale and wishing they would "mix things up".
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 01, 2020, 02:45:39 PM
Watershed is a pretty underrated album IMO. I like the amount of variety on it, and quality-wise I find it to be more consistent than Ghost Reveries.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 01, 2020, 03:22:23 PM
Watershed is probably my #2 album
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 01, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
I'd argue that Watershed is the band's heaviest album, with Mikael's most brutal growls of his entire career. Something about the album has a really eerie & dark vibe which I love.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 01, 2020, 05:40:43 PM
I'd argue that Watershed is the band's heaviest album, with Mikael's most brutal growls of his entire career. Something about the album has a really eerie & dark vibe which I love.

Burden has that Eerie dark vibe you talk about, from the opening piano to the end chromatic downtuning section.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ErHaO on November 01, 2020, 06:12:09 PM
Watershed is actually my favourite Opeth album, followed by Ghost Reveries.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on November 07, 2020, 09:28:59 AM
Just as I thought. Heritage is a good album. I always liked this since it came out. I think I'm along for the ride. This is in stark contrast to Dream Theater in the 2010s. I'm not against aging modern progressive bands cutting back on the "metul!" in their sound.

Akerfeldt has a great voice, the bass is prominent, the sound and production is great. If this wasn't "OPETH" and was MA solo album, would it be better received? Aside from some Camel influence, it doesn't sound like "retro-prog" Opeth style, it sounds like Opeth, just without death metal. Is it the classic period? No, but it's still got the melancholic gloomy vibe Opeth has always had, with some heavy rock moments.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 07, 2020, 10:03:26 AM
Heritage is easily their best post-Watershed album, in my opinion. It's got a few clunkers and it's lacking in heaviness, but it makes up for that with some really dark, atmospheric sections, especially in Haxprocess and Famine. That focus on atmosphere has, in my opinion, always been just as important than their heaviness, if not more so. That's also the reason why I dislike Pale Communion so much - apart from a couple songs the atmosphere in that album is barely existent and it doesn't have anything else to make up for it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 07, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
Heritage is easily their best post-Watershed album, in my opinion. It's got a few clunkers and it's lacking in heaviness, but it makes up for that with some really dark, atmospheric sections, especially in Haxprocess and Famine. That focus on atmosphere has, in my opinion, always been just as important than their heaviness, if not more so. That's also the reason why I dislike Pale Communion so much - apart from a couple songs the atmosphere in that album is barely existent and it doesn't have anything else to make up for it.

That is what makes Opeths sound for me. The way their tones and chord choices make an eerie feeling. The way the liner notes in Blackwater Park are done, and the band picture in the woods, Is exactly what I picture while listening to Opeth. Being in a dense wooded area, where there is creepiness, the unknown noises, the calming of the wind, and the chill of the fog. That to me is what Opeth is. Since Watershed, it's like the scene of the forest has changed, from a green, bleakish, foggy landscape, to a darkened, calmer, more sinister, feeling, of somethings lurking behind you, that feeling you know something behind you but don't want to turn around, that calmness and feeling is the best way I can describe Opeth's style now.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 07, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
Since Watershed, it's like the scene of the forest has changed, from a green, bleakish, foggy landscape, to a darkened, calmer, more sinister, feeling, of somethings lurking behind you, that feeling you know something behind you but don't want to turn around, that calmness and feeling is the best way I can describe Opeth's style now.

In Cauda Venenum sounds like I'm stuck inside a haunted Victorian-era mansion being served dinner by a bunch of unsettling old people in dusty suits, and not being quite sure if they plan on murdering me or not.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 07, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
Since Watershed, it's like the scene of the forest has changed, from a green, bleakish, foggy landscape, to a darkened, calmer, more sinister, feeling, of somethings lurking behind you, that feeling you know something behind you but don't want to turn around, that calmness and feeling is the best way I can describe Opeth's style now.

In Cauda Venenum sounds like I'm stuck inside a haunted Victorian-era mansion being served dinner by a bunch of unsettling old people in dusty suits, and not being quite sure if they plan on murdering me or not.

I haven't listened to the album much at all. I will listen to to it again though. And see if I get the same vibes as you do... :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Volante99 on November 07, 2020, 08:44:52 PM
I'd argue that Watershed is the band's heaviest album, with Mikael's most brutal growls of his entire career.

My Arms Your Hearse would like a word with you...

Honestly, I don’t really get the love for Watershed. It’s a step down from Ghost Reveries and suffers (like a lot of Opeth albums during that time) that many of the songs are about 2-3minutes too long.

Also, Heritage is a masterpiece.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on November 14, 2020, 10:19:45 AM
Yea, I don't get the hate for Heritage, I love the mood. It's a dark, quiet room album.

Pale Communion is also great. The writing is a little better than Heritage, but it doesn't have the same moodiness that Heritage has.
However, this is one of the band's best albums, so many classic Opeth moments.
I listened to Sorceress for the first time since the release time, so I haven't digested this one as much, but I liked it. Not sure why there are so many people who have issues with the sound quality on this one. It sounds great to me. Love the heavy bass.

On to the latest album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: KevShmev on November 14, 2020, 10:59:05 AM
While I think In Cauda Venenum was a clear upgrade over Sorceress, it still isn't an album that stuck with me very long as a whole.  The Garroter and Universal Truth are killer songs, but I rarely go back to anything from it now.  Feels like Still Life through Pale Communion will always be that sweet spot for me with this band.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on November 14, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
While I think In Cauda Venenum was a clear upgrade over Sorceress, it still isn't an album that stuck with me very long as a whole.  The Garroter and Universal Truth are killer songs, but I rarely go back to anything from it now.  Feels like Still Life through Pale Communion will always be that sweet spot for me with this band.

Right now, I look at this as 3 different bands, who all happen to go by Opeth.
The first two albums, MAYH-GR, and Watershed-present, with Mikael as the ringleader/mastermind, and each lineup change causing a seismic shift in the band's sound, similar to Robert Fripp/King Crimson.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on November 14, 2020, 01:57:21 PM
I would lump Orchid and Morningrise in with the albums that followed. They are a bit more raw and unpolished and MAYH is more a refined version of what they did before IMO but it's still very much in the same blueprint.

Honestly my biggest issue with modern Opeth (Heritage forward) is not that the music is bad or anything, it just feels like a shoulder shrug compared to what they did before. Even growls aside, songs like Face of Melinda, Windowpane and A Fair Judgement are all leagues above any songs they have written in the last decade IMO.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on November 14, 2020, 02:35:48 PM
I would lump Orchid and Morningrise in with the albums that followed. They are a bit more raw and unpolished and MAYH is more a refined version of what they did before IMO but it's still very much in the same blueprint.

Honestly my biggest issue with modern Opeth (Heritage forward) is not that the music is bad or anything, it just feels like a shoulder shrug compared to what they did before. Even growls aside, songs like Face of Melinda, Windowpane and A Fair Judgement are all leagues above any songs they have written in the last decade IMO.

IMO the change in writing style happened on Watershed, it's just that they're were still being too aggressive to notice.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on November 14, 2020, 03:00:50 PM
I would lump Orchid and Morningrise in with the albums that followed. They are a bit more raw and unpolished and MAYH is more a refined version of what they did before IMO but it's still very much in the same blueprint.

Honestly my biggest issue with modern Opeth (Heritage forward) is not that the music is bad or anything, it just feels like a shoulder shrug compared to what they did before. Even growls aside, songs like Face of Melinda, Windowpane and A Fair Judgement are all leagues above any songs they have written in the last decade IMO.

IMO the change in writing style happened on Watershed, it's just that they're were still being too aggressive to notice.

Watershed is definitely the transitional album and not Heritage. Watershed is like the cocoon and Heritage is what comes out of it, no disagreement there. I find Watershed hard to rank because on one hand I think it's a great album and by no means do I have much bad to say about it, but on the flip side it doesn't have that same 'feel' as Orchid - Ghost Reveries.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 14, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
Ghost Reveries to me sounds closer to Watershed than it does to the albums before it tbh.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on November 14, 2020, 03:28:05 PM
Ghost Reveries is Opeth at their peak IMO.  It's "proggier" than the albums that preceded it, but still very "metal".  Things did start to change with Watershed, but Watershed still kicks ass!  I wish they would go back to the sound and style of songs like "Porcelain Heart" and "Hex Omega". No growls but more of a Prog Metal sound vs. the classic prog sound they've since embraced.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on November 15, 2020, 06:21:07 AM
Ghost Reveries to me sounds closer to Watershed than it does to the albums before it tbh.

I also agree with this. There is overlap from GR to WS.
GR is the peak of the classic lineup, and the classic writing style, plus the keyboards of Per Wiberg had been fully integrated into the band.
WS sees a new lineup, so the band is going to sound different, but while Per is still there and keyboardists tend to fill the sound out, I feel the writing changed and reflects more where they wound up going more than where they were before. The connection to both albums is the heaviness/death metal. It makes me wonder what a follow up to GR would have been like if there wasn't a lineup change until after Watershed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on November 23, 2020, 09:34:22 AM
I've now listened to both English and Swedish versions of In Cauda Venenum. I think I prefer the English version just because I'm used to Opeth singing in English, but I have no issue with non-English vocals. I really like the prog band PFM, who sing in Italian.
Musically, I think this may be the strongest release since Ghost Reveries. Feels like everything in the last decade or so has culminated in this album (which is how I felt about Ghost Reveries after it came out.)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on November 23, 2020, 10:04:28 AM
I've now listened to both English and Swedish versions of In Cauda Venenum. I think I prefer the English version just because I'm used to Opeth singing in English, but I have no issue with non-English vocals. I really like the prog band PFM, who sing in Italian.
Musically, I think this may be the strongest release since Ghost Reveries. Feels like everything in the last decade or so has culminated in this album (which is how I felt about Ghost Reveries after it came out.)

Interesting. I like the Swedish version far better, I think that language suites the eery/dark atmosphere AND Mikael's voice perfectly! I have the box set with both versions on vinyl, but I rarely listen to the English one.

I used to have a problem with non-English music (except German music, but I am German), but ever since I know and LOVE the band Premiata Forneria Marconi, that is just gone. Cool that you mentioned them too. Their 70s albums are amazing. I have to revisit Per Un Amico.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 23, 2020, 10:10:27 AM
I've now listened to both English and Swedish versions of In Cauda Venenum. I think I prefer the English version just because I'm used to Opeth singing in English, but I have no issue with non-English vocals. I really like the prog band PFM, who sing in Italian.
Musically, I think this may be the strongest release since Ghost Reveries. Feels like everything in the last decade or so has culminated in this album (which is how I felt about Ghost Reveries after it came out.)

I prefer his delivery in the Swedish version, more so than the english version.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on November 23, 2020, 02:47:31 PM
I've now listened to both English and Swedish versions of In Cauda Venenum. I think I prefer the English version just because I'm used to Opeth singing in English, but I have no issue with non-English vocals. I really like the prog band PFM, who sing in Italian.
Musically, I think this may be the strongest release since Ghost Reveries. Feels like everything in the last decade or so has culminated in this album (which is how I felt about Ghost Reveries after it came out.)

I prefer his delivery in the Swedish version, more so than the english version.

I only got this album a couple of weeks ago and I just go back and forth between English and Swedish, really just not sure which one I like more as I'm more focused on digesting the music.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on November 23, 2020, 04:10:12 PM
I've now listened to both English and Swedish versions of In Cauda Venenum. I think I prefer the English version just because I'm used to Opeth singing in English, but I have no issue with non-English vocals. I really like the prog band PFM, who sing in Italian.
Musically, I think this may be the strongest release since Ghost Reveries. Feels like everything in the last decade or so has culminated in this album (which is how I felt about Ghost Reveries after it came out.)

Agreed.  IMO - In Cauda Venenum is their strongest release since Watershed
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 23, 2020, 11:26:01 PM
I've now listened to both English and Swedish versions of In Cauda Venenum. I think I prefer the English version just because I'm used to Opeth singing in English, but I have no issue with non-English vocals. I really like the prog band PFM, who sing in Italian.
Musically, I think this may be the strongest release since Ghost Reveries. Feels like everything in the last decade or so has culminated in this album (which is how I felt about Ghost Reveries after it came out.)

Agreed.  IMO - In Cauda Venenum is their strongest release since Watershed

I'll second this. In Cauda Venenum is easily my favourite post-Watershed album. You know when an albums aesthetic, the promotion for it, and the bands look (Mikael's stage gear, you know black hat, black suit and big belt buckle  :lol ) just seems to all come together to work for you. It's just such a strong album and I love the vibe it has. As for the English/Swedish debate, I have both on my ipod but mainly listen to the English version. That's purely so I can understand what the lyrics are, but I do make an effort to listen to the Swedish version every now and then.

I'd say that Pale Communion is my second favourite of this era and has grown on me a hell of a lot. Heritage has always been the album that broke my heart, and it's been a long road (nearly ten years!) to get to the point where I'm at now, where I can enjoy it without being reminded of the end of Opeth's golden era (for me at least).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on November 24, 2020, 04:47:55 PM
Post Watershed output -

1. In Cauda Venenum

2. Pale Communion




3. Heritage

4. Sorceress
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: 425 on November 24, 2020, 04:59:43 PM
Heritage probably remains my favorite Opeth album, but In Cauda Venenum could dethrone it. I'd definitely put those two and Watershed together as my top three.

On the subject of transitions, I think Ghost Reveries is a significant change from the previous albums with the introduction of keyboards and what I perceive as a move in a slightly less dark direction, which make me enjoy it significantly more than the preceding ones. Watershed is another significant step in that direction, which makes me like it even better than Ghost Reveries. Then Heritage more or less stands alone, and then the last three albums are in a similar style to each other, with In Cauda Venenum being the perfection of that style.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: kirksnosehair on November 25, 2020, 06:56:58 AM
While I think In Cauda Venenum was a clear upgrade over Sorceress, it still isn't an album that stuck with me very long as a whole.  The Garroter and Universal Truth are killer songs, but I rarely go back to anything from it now.  Feels like Still Life through Pale Communion will always be that sweet spot for me with this band.


+1
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on November 25, 2020, 08:42:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlDEcQMLio

I'm always amazed when I hear this, that's why I want to leave it here. There are few live recordings I know that sound better than this one. Truly a perfect performance.

The whole concert is amazing. And like (almost?) every Opeth live release, it contains a technical problem, this time during Demon Of The Fall. But this technical error only made this specific part more suspenseful. Fantastic live album, Garden Of The Titans.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 25, 2020, 08:46:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlDEcQMLio

I'm always amazed when I hear this, that's why I want to leave it here. There are few live recordings I know that sound better than this one. Truly a perfect performance.

The whole concert is amazing. And like (almost?) every Opeth live release, it contains a technical problem, this time during Demon Of The Fall. But this technical error only made this specific part more suspenseful. Fantastic live album, Garden Of The Titans.

And it was freezing balls, apparently.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on November 25, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlDEcQMLio

I'm always amazed when I hear this, that's why I want to leave it here. There are few live recordings I know that sound better than this one. Truly a perfect performance.

The whole concert is amazing. And like (almost?) every Opeth live release, it contains a technical problem, this time during Demon Of The Fall. But this technical error only made this specific part more suspenseful. Fantastic live album, Garden Of The Titans.

And it was freezing balls, apparently.

Not sure I wanna know what parts of the guys you've seen to know that
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 25, 2020, 10:09:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlDEcQMLio

I'm always amazed when I hear this, that's why I want to leave it here. There are few live recordings I know that sound better than this one. Truly a perfect performance.

The whole concert is amazing. And like (almost?) every Opeth live release, it contains a technical problem, this time during Demon Of The Fall. But this technical error only made this specific part more suspenseful. Fantastic live album, Garden Of The Titans.

The sound and the playing is good. But while the rest of the band is moving and grooving at least sometimes, Mikael's standing still. I know he plays guitar and sings, so it's hard for him, but seeing him standing there like a statue sucks a lot of energy out of the performance imo.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 25, 2020, 01:25:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlDEcQMLio

I'm always amazed when I hear this, that's why I want to leave it here. There are few live recordings I know that sound better than this one. Truly a perfect performance.

The whole concert is amazing. And like (almost?) every Opeth live release, it contains a technical problem, this time during Demon Of The Fall. But this technical error only made this specific part more suspenseful. Fantastic live album, Garden Of The Titans.

And it was freezing balls, apparently.

Not sure I wanna know what parts of the guys you've seen to know that

 :lol

He mentions it after Era...

"Thing is you've never seen Jon fucking Bo...Uh...Jon Bon Jovi, freeze one stage...I guess I'm not him."
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: KevShmev on November 25, 2020, 04:14:27 PM
While I think In Cauda Venenum was a clear upgrade over Sorceress, it still isn't an album that stuck with me very long as a whole.  The Garroter and Universal Truth are killer songs, but I rarely go back to anything from it now.  Feels like Still Life through Pale Communion will always be that sweet spot for me with this band.


+1

 :tup :tup

And heads-up, DTF, the long-standing adage is that whenever KNH and I agree on something, it has to be true, so I rest my case.  :hat :hat
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on November 26, 2020, 02:13:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlDEcQMLio

I'm always amazed when I hear this, that's why I want to leave it here. There are few live recordings I know that sound better than this one. Truly a perfect performance.

The whole concert is amazing. And like (almost?) every Opeth live release, it contains a technical problem, this time during Demon Of The Fall. But this technical error only made this specific part more suspenseful. Fantastic live album, Garden Of The Titans.

The sound and the playing is good. But while the rest of the band is moving and grooving at least sometimes, Mikael's standing still. I know he plays guitar and sings, so it's hard for him, but seeing him standing there like a statue sucks a lot of energy out of the performance imo.

I don't mind that a bit. As you mentioned, he is singing AND playing the guitar. And I think his stage presence is fine like it is. Based on the live videos and the one live concert I saw of the band, he is never really running around or rocking out. He still got a lot or charisma. He really IS the steady constant in the middle of the band  ;)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 26, 2020, 08:58:51 AM
Yes, he's got charisma and when actually being there it's probably better, but this is metal  :metal, so move at least a little bit when not singing.  :D
It's just that I prefer more action on stage with this kind of music.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 26, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
Nah, I love Mikael's general stage presence and demeanor. I think it fits perfectly with his dry, deadpan sense of humour. Literally wouldn't want it any other way  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: emtee on November 27, 2020, 04:01:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlDEcQMLio

I'm always amazed when I hear this, that's why I want to leave it here. There are few live recordings I know that sound better than this one. Truly a perfect performance.

The whole concert is amazing. And like (almost?) every Opeth live release, it contains a technical problem, this time during Demon Of The Fall. But this technical error only made this specific part more suspenseful. Fantastic live album, Garden Of The Titans.

Didn't know anything about this show until this post. I've listened twice now. Amazing show! I love how MA  almost acts as a conductor. He lets the show breathe, ebb and flow. Great set list and fantastic sound. And the band is tight!! Such a funny guy too. He cracks me up.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 12, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
I usually don't watch reaction videos but I did stumbled upon this channel. I think he has some interesting thoughts and is also genuinely curious about the music.

Classical Composer Reacts to Reverie/Harlequin Forest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrPlD3mM-I&ab_channel=DougHelvering)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 12, 2021, 01:44:51 PM
While I think In Cauda Venenum was a clear upgrade over Sorceress, it still isn't an album that stuck with me very long as a whole.  The Garroter and Universal Truth are killer songs, but I rarely go back to anything from it now.  Feels like Still Life through Pale Communion will always be that sweet spot for me with this band.


+1

 :tup :tup

And heads-up, DTF, the long-standing adage is that whenever KNH and I agree on something, it has to be true, so I rest my case.  :hat :hat


*checks notes*


Can confirm  :hat
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LudwigVan on March 12, 2021, 02:13:17 PM
I didn't think much of Sorceress at first, but it has grown on me big time. That dirty-sounding distorted production makes the album rather unique.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 12, 2021, 02:34:26 PM
It's got some great tracks on it but it really drags a lot in the middle.  I usually have to skip forward a few times when I listen to it.  I think they got better and better at this style as they progressed. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: emtee on March 12, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
Good timing. I recently ran through the entire discography. Deliverance is the only album I didn't love hearing again. Something about that album feels too repetitive. GR is among the best metal albums ever created. Watershed and Damnation are close behind. Nobody does contrast between heavy and mellow like Opeth.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on March 12, 2021, 02:54:14 PM
Good timing. I recently ran through the entire discography. Deliverance is the only album I didn't love hearing again. Something about that album feels too repetitive. GR is among the best metal albums ever created. Watershed and Damnation are close behind. Nobody does contrast between heavy and mellow like Opeth.

That's interesting because Deliverance might be the best to me. Title track, A Fair Judgement, Master's Apprentices and Wreath are so good. Easily a better album than Blackwater Park for my money.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 12, 2021, 03:06:52 PM
why does nobody like by the pain i see in others that's a good song too
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 12, 2021, 03:59:54 PM
I didn't think much of Sorceress at first, but it has grown on me big time. That dirty-sounding distorted production makes the album rather unique.

Sorceress is OK but In Cauda Venenum is much better IMO
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Mladen on March 13, 2021, 02:29:37 AM
why does nobody like by the pain i see in others that's a good song too
That song is the one that puts Deliverence at the top of the list for me. Yeah, we are pretty much all aware of how amazing Master's apprentices, Wreath and the title track are, but By the pain is the underrated gem.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Lonk on March 13, 2021, 05:29:38 AM
I usually don't watch reaction videos but I did stumbled upon this channel. I think he has some interesting thoughts and is also genuinely curious about the music.

Classical Composer Reacts to Reverie/Harlequin Forest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrPlD3mM-I&ab_channel=DougHelvering)

Thanks for sharing. He makes some good analysis of the song. Always impressed with people than can identify a chord so easily.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on March 13, 2021, 06:13:44 AM
I usually don't watch reaction videos but I did stumbled upon this channel. I think he has some interesting thoughts and is also genuinely curious about the music.

Classical Composer Reacts to Reverie/Harlequin Forest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrPlD3mM-I&ab_channel=DougHelvering)

Thanks for sharing. He makes some good analysis of the song. Always impressed with people than can identify a chord so easily.

I saw some videos of him reacting to metal tracks, for example The Odyssey by Symphony X. It's interesting to hear his point of view because he clearly has some idea of most of what he's talking about.

My only problem with him is: He just doesn't like 16th note double bass attacks and whenever a drummer does that for a few bars, he goes "drummers! There's other things to do on your kit than this!" and then proceeds to ignore everything else the drummer does during the rest of the song  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: faizoff on March 13, 2021, 06:30:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlDEcQMLio

I'm always amazed when I hear this, that's why I want to leave it here. There are few live recordings I know that sound better than this one. Truly a perfect performance.

The whole concert is amazing. And like (almost?) every Opeth live release, it contains a technical problem, this time during Demon Of The Fall. But this technical error only made this specific part more suspenseful. Fantastic live album, Garden Of The Titans.

Didn't know anything about this show until this post. I've listened twice now. Amazing show! I love how MA  almost acts as a conductor. He lets the show breathe, ebb and flow. Great set list and fantastic sound. And the band is tight!! Such a funny guy too. He cracks me up.

I love Garden of the Titans, such a great vibe for the whole show. All Opeth live shows are fantastic watches and each one is unique even if some of the songs are repeated.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 13, 2021, 11:33:22 AM
I usually don't watch reaction videos but I did stumbled upon this channel. I think he has some interesting thoughts and is also genuinely curious about the music.

Classical Composer Reacts to Reverie/Harlequin Forest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrPlD3mM-I&ab_channel=DougHelvering)

Thanks for sharing. He makes some good analysis of the song. Always impressed with people than can identify a chord so easily.

I saw some videos of him reacting to metal tracks, for example The Odyssey by Symphony X. It's interesting to hear his point of view because he clearly has some idea of most of what he's talking about.

My only problem with him is: He just doesn't like 16th note double bass attacks and whenever a drummer does that for a few bars, he goes "drummers! There's other things to do on your kit than this!" and then proceeds to ignore everything else the drummer does during the rest of the song  :lol

Yes, I watched a reaction video of his for Dance of Eternity, and he said the same thing about the double bass drumming.  He was very impressed with JP, JR and JM though
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 13, 2021, 11:50:28 AM
I usually don't watch reaction videos but I did stumbled upon this channel. I think he has some interesting thoughts and is also genuinely curious about the music.

Classical Composer Reacts to Reverie/Harlequin Forest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrPlD3mM-I&ab_channel=DougHelvering)

Thanks for sharing. He makes some good analysis of the song. Always impressed with people than can identify a chord so easily.

I saw some videos of him reacting to metal tracks, for example The Odyssey by Symphony X. It's interesting to hear his point of view because he clearly has some idea of most of what he's talking about.

My only problem with him is: He just doesn't like 16th note double bass attacks and whenever a drummer does that for a few bars, he goes "drummers! There's other things to do on your kit than this!" and then proceeds to ignore everything else the drummer does during the rest of the song  :lol

Yes, I watched a reaction video of his for Dance of Eternity, and he said the same thing about the double bass drumming.  He was very impressed with JP, JR and JM though
It's very much a big part of metal music these days but as a drummer I can definitely see why some would find it annoying to hear alot of the same type of 16th note doublepedal pattern being used everywhere. He will get used to it though.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on March 14, 2021, 04:08:44 AM
I usually don't watch reaction videos but I did stumbled upon this channel. I think he has some interesting thoughts and is also genuinely curious about the music.

Classical Composer Reacts to Reverie/Harlequin Forest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygrPlD3mM-I&ab_channel=DougHelvering)

Thanks for sharing. He makes some good analysis of the song. Always impressed with people than can identify a chord so easily.

I saw some videos of him reacting to metal tracks, for example The Odyssey by Symphony X. It's interesting to hear his point of view because he clearly has some idea of most of what he's talking about.

My only problem with him is: He just doesn't like 16th note double bass attacks and whenever a drummer does that for a few bars, he goes "drummers! There's other things to do on your kit than this!" and then proceeds to ignore everything else the drummer does during the rest of the song  :lol

Yes, I watched a reaction video of his for Dance of Eternity, and he said the same thing about the double bass drumming.  He was very impressed with JP, JR and JM though
It's very much a big part of metal music these days but as a drummer I can definitely see why some would find it annoying to hear alot of the same type of 16th note doublepedal pattern being used everywhere. He will get used to it though.  :lol

I would have understood it if he had reacted to songs where there's double bass 16th notes most of the time. But in those two examples, there are a few parts where it just fits, and those parts are always just a few bars long.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 26, 2021, 02:37:49 AM
I guess if it fits is subjective. Using double bass to enhance rythms in metal is standard and I guess he haven't heard it that much or he just reacted spontaneous.

Anyway, here's another fun one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ycf6OjlwZE&ab_channel=DougHelvering

What he says at 12:03 and onwars is spot on.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 16, 2021, 05:39:00 AM
From Twitter:

★ The 20th-anniversary celebration of Swedish metallers
@OfficialOpeth's game-changing magnum opus is upon us. ✰

New moon symbol EXCLUSIVE Dark Smokey Vinyl
Writing hand Initial Orders w/ Signed Print
🕯 New Range Of Merchandise

https://opeth.tmstor.es
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on April 17, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
From Twitter:

★ The 20th-anniversary celebration of Swedish metallers
@OfficialOpeth's game-changing magnum opus is upon us. ✰

New moon symbol EXCLUSIVE Dark Smokey Vinyl
Writing hand Initial Orders w/ Signed Print
🕯 New Range Of Merchandise

https://opeth.tmstor.es

I already have the black vinyl of Blackwater Park.

But gawddamnit I couldn't resist buying that dark smokey edition  >:(
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on April 17, 2021, 12:31:52 PM
From Twitter:

★ The 20th-anniversary celebration of Swedish metallers
@OfficialOpeth's game-changing magnum opus is upon us. ✰

New moon symbol EXCLUSIVE Dark Smokey Vinyl
Writing hand Initial Orders w/ Signed Print
🕯 New Range Of Merchandise

https://opeth.tmstor.es

I already have the black vinyl of Blackwater Park.

But gawddamnit I couldn't resist buying that dark smokey edition  >:(

I'm so tempted! I really shouldn't but it looks beautiful
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: TM172003 on April 17, 2021, 12:32:05 PM
I would have understood it if he had reacted to songs where there's double bass 16th notes most of the time. But in those two examples, there are a few parts where it just fits, and those parts are always just a few bars long.

Fair enough, but listening to metal and moaning about double bass in general is a bit silly to me. What does he expect? It’s like shooting yourself in the foot and moaning that you can’t walk.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: gazinwales on April 17, 2021, 04:59:48 PM
From Twitter:

★ The 20th-anniversary celebration of Swedish metallers
@OfficialOpeth's game-changing magnum opus is upon us. ✰

New moon symbol EXCLUSIVE Dark Smokey Vinyl
Writing hand Initial Orders w/ Signed Print
🕯 New Range Of Merchandise

https://opeth.tmstor.es

I already have the black vinyl of Blackwater Park.

But gawddamnit I couldn't resist buying that dark smokey edition  >:(

I'm so tempted! I really shouldn't but it looks beautiful

I had a look and apart from the colours nothing new, no 'mastered for vinyl' and an uninteresting bonus track (live) that could/should have been the bonus studio cuts for this album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Elite on April 18, 2021, 08:58:55 AM
I already have this album twice; one is the 'Legacy Edition' that features the exact same bonus track and a 5.1 Mix of the album on an extra disc. Weird that they're releasing it yet again.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: pfillion on June 18, 2021, 01:15:05 PM
White Stones new single is out today (Martin Mendez new band)

https://youtu.be/sL16VQsD0ec
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: gazinwales on August 28, 2021, 02:41:26 AM
White Stones new single is out today (Martin Mendez new band)

https://youtu.be/sL16VQsD0ec

First time hearing WS, this is far better than anything Opeth have done since Watershed.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on August 28, 2021, 10:15:38 AM
Wow, Opeth is one of my absolute favorite bands, but I guess I've been out of the loop on Mendez' side projects.  First time checking them out myself, and that was pretty impressive, kind of in-between Opeth's older and newer sounds.  I enjoy newer Opeth material quite a bit, though not quite as much as the older stuff (especially BWP-GR). 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LudwigVan on August 28, 2021, 11:31:22 AM
Wow, Opeth is one of my absolute favorite bands, but I guess I've been out of the loop on Mendez' side projects.  First time checking them out myself, and that was pretty impressive, kind of in-between Opeth's older and newer sounds.  I enjoy newer Opeth material quite a bit, though not quite as much as the older stuff (especially BWP-GR).

Was it you that had the Opeth logo as your avatar at one point?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on August 28, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Hah, yeah, that was me.  Same colors as this one, ironically (I guess those are sort of my theme colors it seems, maybe from being a big fan of The Matrix as well).  I don't know if this was the exact one, and I can't hunt down the original, but this is close enough. 

(https://i.ibb.co/kh0g8zC/index.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: goo-goo on September 14, 2021, 10:11:49 AM
Opeth tour with Mastodon

North American Co-Headline Tour w/ Mastodon
+ Guests Zeal & Ardor
+ "In Cauda Venenum (Connoisseur Edition)" out on Nov 19th

Nov 16 - Asheville, NC - ExploreAsheville.com Arena
Nov 18 - Boston, MA - The Wang Theatre
Nov 19 - Albany, NY - Palace Theatre
Nov 20 - New York City - Hammerstein Ballroom
Nov 21 - Washington, DC - The Anthem
Nov 23 - Nashville, TN - Ryman Auditorium
Nov 24 - Atlanta, GA - The Eastern
Nov 26 - Austin, TX - ACL Live at the Moody Theater
Nov 27 - Dallas, TX - South Side Ballroom
Nov 28 - Sugar Land, TX - Smart Financial Centre at Sugarland
Nov 30 - Mesa, AZ - Mesa Amphitheatre
Dec 01 - Los Angeles, CA - Hollywood Palladium
Dec 02 - Oakland, CA - Fox Theater
Dec 04 - Salt Lake City, UT - The Union
Dec 05 - Denver, CO - The Mission Ballroom

Tickets go onsale Friday September 17 at 10am local time.

Edit: Shit. It's Thanksgiving weekend for the Texas dates. Not sure if I'll make it.  :censored
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on September 15, 2021, 03:45:44 AM
I hate it when bands release stuff like this. Every fan has already purchased In Cauda Venenum and two years later they announce a new deluxe juggernaut extra edition with three unheard songs, meaning that you either don't hear the songs or buy the whole album again for a horrendous price.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: nobloodyname on September 15, 2021, 06:00:34 AM
In Cauda Venenum (Connoisseur Edition) is available as a separate 2LP (180g) version in Swedish and English that includes a 16-page booklet illustrated by internationally renowned Travis Smith. In addition, you can get a limited premium boxset featuring both versions, a 60x60cm poster, as well as an exclusive EP with three previously unreleased Opeth songs in two languages: “Pöbeln” / “The Mob”, “Cirkelns Riktning” / “Width Of A Circle” as well as “Frihet & Tyranni” / “Freedom & Tyranny.”

In Cauda Venenum (Connoisseur Edition) will be available on November 19 in these formats:

- 2LP (black, 180g) - Swedish version in gatefold with 16p booklet
- 2LP (black, 180g) - English version in gatefold with 16p booklet
- Boxset (black or clear vinyl) incl. both versions, poster and exclusive 6-track EP in sleeve

Åkerfeldt adds: "During the pandemic we’ve put together a vinyl remaster ”connoisseur” edition of our latest album, In Cauda Venenum that features 3 (6 really, if you count both versions of each song) previously unreleased tracks from the sessions. These tracks have a high obscurity factor, but I’d like to think they are high quality. Quite different from the rest of the songs on the album, but quality nonetheless. Everything put together in a nice package, for your pleasure."
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A remastered version of an album released two minutes ago. Fucking hell, eh? :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: mike099 on September 15, 2021, 06:10:46 AM
Opeth tour with Mastodon

North American Co-Headline Tour w/ Mastodon
+ Guests Zeal & Ardor
+ "In Cauda Venenum (Connoisseur Edition)" out on Nov 19th

Nov 16 - Asheville, NC - ExploreAsheville.com Arena
Nov 18 - Boston, MA - The Wang Theatre
Nov 19 - Albany, NY - Palace Theatre
Nov 20 - New York City - Hammerstein Ballroom
Nov 21 - Washington, DC - The Anthem
Nov 23 - Nashville, TN - Ryman Auditorium
Nov 24 - Atlanta, GA - The Eastern
Nov 26 - Austin, TX - ACL Live at the Moody Theater
Nov 27 - Dallas, TX - South Side Ballroom
Nov 28 - Sugar Land, TX - Smart Financial Centre at Sugarland
Nov 30 - Mesa, AZ - Mesa Amphitheatre
Dec 01 - Los Angeles, CA - Hollywood Palladium
Dec 02 - Oakland, CA - Fox Theater
Dec 04 - Salt Lake City, UT - The Union
Dec 05 - Denver, CO - The Mission Ballroom

Tickets go onsale Friday September 17 at 10am local time.

Edit: Shit. It's Thanksgiving weekend for the Texas dates. Not sure if I'll make it.  :censored

Both of these bands played at the Ryman on separate dates a couple of years ago.  I saw Opeth at the Ryman and the sound was fantastic.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: faizoff on September 15, 2021, 06:38:19 AM
In Cauda Venenum (Connoisseur Edition) is available as a separate 2LP (180g) version in Swedish and English that includes a 16-page booklet illustrated by internationally renowned Travis Smith. In addition, you can get a limited premium boxset featuring both versions, a 60x60cm poster, as well as an exclusive EP with three previously unreleased Opeth songs in two languages: “Pöbeln” / “The Mob”, “Cirkelns Riktning” / “Width Of A Circle” as well as “Frihet & Tyranni” / “Freedom & Tyranny.”

In Cauda Venenum (Connoisseur Edition) will be available on November 19 in these formats:

- 2LP (black, 180g) - Swedish version in gatefold with 16p booklet
- 2LP (black, 180g) - English version in gatefold with 16p booklet
- Boxset (black or clear vinyl) incl. both versions, poster and exclusive 6-track EP in sleeve

Åkerfeldt adds: "During the pandemic we’ve put together a vinyl remaster ”connoisseur” edition of our latest album, In Cauda Venenum that features 3 (6 really, if you count both versions of each song) previously unreleased tracks from the sessions. These tracks have a high obscurity factor, but I’d like to think they are high quality. Quite different from the rest of the songs on the album, but quality nonetheless. Everything put together in a nice package, for your pleasure."
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A remastered version of an album released two minutes ago. Fucking hell, eh? :lol

I don't mind at times double dipping if I love the album or band, but doesn't look like there is a CD version of this.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: countoftuscany42 on September 15, 2021, 12:28:18 PM
just got my ticket for the LA show, Blabbermouth has the presale code GRIM2021 if anyone else is looking to secure their tickets early  :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: gazinwales on September 15, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
So my $160 'Cauda Venenum' super deluxe box set that came out less than two years ago is now redundant?
The vinyl needed remastering already?
Sounds like a cash is job to me, and yes I know I don't have to buy it  :xbones
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: darkshade on September 15, 2021, 03:35:02 PM
Welcome to the modern music business model, where the labels try to squeeze every last penny out of music fans who still buy product, because casual music listeners are fine with streaming, youtube, and sticking to "mainstream" popular music "everyone else" is listening to.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: goo-goo on November 16, 2021, 11:21:57 AM
Martin Axenrot out from Opeth

"Conflict of interests....".

Sami Karppinen is the replacement drummer for this tour.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: kaos2900 on November 16, 2021, 11:45:16 AM
Wow, too bad. I'll say that Opeth is the perfect example of a band that I once loved who I have NO interest in due to their change in direction.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: emtee on November 16, 2021, 11:50:42 AM
I love Soen but I'd love to see Lopez return. Axe's fills were very predictable to me. Always left to right on the kit and no head scratching, wtf is going on. Lopez is always pushing boundaries and creating fresh fills.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on November 16, 2021, 11:51:38 AM
I love Soen but I'd love to see Lopez return. Axe's fills were very predictable to me. Always left to right on the kit and no head scratching, wtf is going on. Lopez is always pushing boundaries and creating fresh fills.

Wasn't the problem with Lopez that he couldn't play sets longer than the hour or something? Maybe he's worked through that now though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on November 16, 2021, 01:35:48 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Lopez' drums always sounded kind of "thin"? Except for Blackwater Park maybe, his drums always could have used a little more punch and depths in the mix. Yes, I get that the lighter style was part of his jazzy approach and that's what people love about him, but imo it wasn't until Watershed that Opeth managed to get a good drum sound on a studio recording (as mentioned, except for BwP). Their earlier albums are great, but imagine Ghost Reveries with a huge, rich drum sound.

Axe leaving the band is a bummer, but I always thought he wasn't able to shine on the studio albums as he did during concerts. His live performances were always great. I wonder what happened within the band. I imagine Mikael isn't particularly easy to work with.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 16, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
I love Soen but I'd love to see Lopez return. Axe's fills were very predictable to me. Always left to right on the kit and no head scratching, wtf is going on. Lopez is always pushing boundaries and creating fresh fills.

Wasn't the problem with Lopez that he couldn't play sets longer than the hour or something? Maybe he's worked through that now though.

Lopez suffered severe anxiety and panic attacks while in Opeth. He finally got properly diagnosed and controlled after he left. Soen tours for every album overseas. From what I have heard, he's got his issues under control now. That's actually when he started Soen, when he got himself right.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: faizoff on November 16, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
Martin Axenrot out from Opeth

"Conflict of interests....".

Sami Karppinen is the replacement drummer for this tour.

Ah man, as much as Martin is my preferred drummer, I really liked Ax.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 16, 2021, 02:37:56 PM
Just glad Mikael didnt choose someone with the name Martin.

Now, I want to go see them in Az.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 16, 2021, 02:56:04 PM
Their tour starts today. Seemed awfully sudden that Axe is out and they get someone to fill in immediately. I just discovered that Sami was Axe's drum tech on the Sorceress tour. He must have been planning to do that again and something happened, which explains why he was available now.

Just guessing, unless they had this under wraps and decided to just announce now. Either way, seems Sami should be fairly familiar with the material.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: DTA on November 17, 2021, 06:32:49 AM
Do these guys get a kick out of creating the most boring setlists possible? They release new albums, talk about how great and excited they are about it, play like 2 songs from it, then play the same older shit they always do. What a waste of talent and disrespect for their back catalog
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 17, 2021, 07:30:09 AM
Do these guys get a kick out of creating the most boring setlists possible? They release new albums, talk about how great and excited they are about it, play like 2 songs from it, then play the same older shit they always do. What a waste of talent and disrespect for their back catalog

Won't comment on the current setlist until I see them tomorrow, but after the disaster that was the first Heritage tour where they went all-in on the new songs and didn't play any songs with growls, they might have given up on attempting something risky like that again.

That happened to be the first time I saw them live, and it was even the first date on the tour. People were pissed. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: RandalGraves on November 17, 2021, 07:54:52 AM
Won't comment on the current setlist until I see them tomorrow, but after the disaster that was the first Heritage tour where they went all-in on the new songs and didn't play any songs with growls, they might have given up on attempting something risky like that again.

That happened to be the first time I saw them live, and it was even the first date on the tour. People were pissed. :lol

Ahh, that makes sense. I saw them that tour and had a blast (loved the album and the songs were even better live, as with most of their recent material) but you got a sense that there were a lot of metalheads standing around going, "What?"

That's a shame about the new setlist. Especially in comparison to Mastodon's which seems like a really cool mix of new and classic material.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: DTA on November 17, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
Do these guys get a kick out of creating the most boring setlists possible? They release new albums, talk about how great and excited they are about it, play like 2 songs from it, then play the same older shit they always do. What a waste of talent and disrespect for their back catalog

Won't comment on the current setlist until I see them tomorrow, but after the disaster that was the first Heritage tour where they went all-in on the new songs and didn't play any songs with growls, they might have given up on attempting something risky like that again.

That happened to be the first time I saw them live, and it was even the first date on the tour. People were pissed. :lol

The Heritage tour was one of the most boring experiences of my life, so I definitely don't need a repeat of that. But even the back catalog growling songs rarely get changed up anymore, which is frustrating when you consider the songs they do play are 10+ minutes. I don't want to spoil things for you, but if you were to guess the set, I guarantee you'd probably get very close to what they're playing. I think most fans would enjoy more songs from the new album and a few pre-Heritage rarities mixed in with a fan favorite or two.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Evermind on November 17, 2021, 09:20:56 AM
I only saw them live once on Sorceress tour so I don't have much to go on by but I'd guess it's something like this:

Dignity
Ghost of Perdition
Sorceress
The Devil's Orchard
The Wilde Flowers
Demon of the Fall
Lovelorn Crime
Cusp of Eternity
In My Time of Need
Harvest
Deliverance

I don't know how long the show is though, might be longer or shorter.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 17, 2021, 09:25:37 AM
Despite it being one of my favorite Opeth songs I am getting sick of them playing Deliverance as the encore every single time (assuming this tour is no different). I want to see them play Blackwater Park instead just once in my life :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: DTA on November 17, 2021, 09:28:27 AM
Despite it being one of my favorite Opeth songs I am getting sick of them playing Deliverance as the encore every single time (assuming this tour is no different). I want to see them play Blackwater Park instead just once in my life :sadpanda:

Even the greatest songs get old when they're played every single time. Especially when it's a 13 minute song and they only play 90 minutes.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on November 17, 2021, 10:19:27 AM
Do these guys get a kick out of creating the most boring setlists possible? They release new albums, talk about how great and excited they are about it, play like 2 songs from it, then play the same older shit they always do. What a waste of talent and disrespect for their back catalog
Maybe it has something to do with the new drummer only comfortable with certain songs?  Just a thought, and I know you're referring to more than just this show - and overall I share your frustration.  Opeth is one of my all-time favorite bands, but they've seemed to have lost their way recently (and I really like In Cauda Venenum).  Would be great for them to change directions again with their next release.  Maybe something more along the lines of the non growl songs from Watershed like Burden, Porcelain Heart and Hex Omega
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on November 17, 2021, 11:10:33 AM
I don't know why Opeth would "have lost their way". They released a well-composed, well-received album two years ago. The first one in their mother tongue, which I love and hope they continue. And fans responded better than to the previous three album I believe. And if it weren't for Covid, they would have been playing well-attended shows since the release of that album. Now they are continuing their touring and they actually do play well-attended shows (I assume). They had some differences with their drummer because their boss is a difficult dude. They hired a replacement immediately and went on the tour anyway. I think they go their way pretty well  ;)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on November 17, 2021, 12:04:51 PM
I think it is fair to consider a band having "lost their way" if they did a 180 and changed their core sound, even though by now the 'new' sound has been there for a couple of albums. I consider myself in that camp who will listen to a new album the standard 4-5 times but then never really revisit them again, but the Orchid to Watershed run are almost I go back to every year. I can understand why it's caused some controversy among fans because they really did change their style from one album to another and then kinda just powered through. You have other bands that seem to do it more organically where they might introduce new elements, over a couple of albums they alter their style but Opeth turned their backs on the metal side (which was a big part of their sound) and never really looked back.

I'm happy they get to make the kind of music they want, and I wouldn't be happier if they were going through the motions forcing themselves to make metal, so I think this is the best outcome for them. Still it is a shame as someone who loved their classic sound. :P
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 17, 2021, 12:08:08 PM
I'm not upset at the setlist at all given the circumstances. Those older songs are songs the replacement likely knows and if is to be the new drummer for Opeth, he should know these Opeth staples.

I think they could've used more New Album songs though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on November 17, 2021, 12:48:05 PM
I don't know why Opeth would "have lost their way". They released a well-composed, well-received album two years ago. The first one in their mother tongue, which I love and hope they continue. And fans responded better than to the previous three album I believe. And if it weren't for Covid, they would have been playing well-attended shows since the release of that album. Now they are continuing their touring and they actually do play well-attended shows (I assume). They had some differences with their drummer because their boss is a difficult dude. They hired a replacement immediately and went on the tour anyway. I think they go their way pretty well  ;)
Maybe saying they've "lost their way" was a little rough, considering I do really like In Cauda Venenum lol.  But what I would say is the Opeth from Still Life to Watershed, is unquestionably one of my favorite bands of all-time.  Absolutely amazing stuff!  But the Opeth from Heritage onward, I would just consider an OK band for my tastes.  So there's my personal frustration.  I would love to see them change directions again for their next release.  Doesn't have to be back to the old Opeth sound, but something different nonetheless.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 19, 2021, 07:29:31 AM
Saw them last night.
Yeah the setlist was very predictable but that wasn't even the biggest problem - they played every song sooooo slooooooow. Legit almost everything in the set was a good 10bpm slower than on the album, at least. Completely sucked the energy out of most of them. The replacement drummer could possibly be to blame, but I'm pretty sure they slowed down songs on their last couple tours too so who knows.

These guys aren't even that old yet, they're too young to sound this exhausted. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 19, 2021, 08:24:12 AM
Sorry, but if your replacement drummer is the reason why you play everything so slow, then you got the wrong replacement drummer.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Lonk on November 19, 2021, 08:31:04 AM
Saw them last night.
Yeah the setlist was very predictable but that wasn't even the biggest problem - they played every song sooooo slooooooow. Legit almost everything in the set was a good 10bpm slower than on the album, at least. Completely sucked the energy out of most of them. The replacement drummer could possibly be to blame, but I'm pretty sure they slowed down songs on their last couple tours too so who knows.

These guys aren't even that old yet, they're too young to sound this exhausted. :lol

Seeing them tonight. I am mainly going for Mastodon but was planning to stick around for Opeth. Sounds like I might not stay for the whole show  :(
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: KevShmev on November 20, 2021, 03:15:28 PM
Makes you wonder if Akerfeldt's heart just isn't into the metal stuff anymore.  Shoot, their music hasn't been metal really is over a decade, so he can probably only fake playing the metal stuff and loving it for so long, but I am sure he knows the fans "need" the token x-number of metal songs in the set list. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on November 20, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
Makes you wonder if Akerfeldt's heart just isn't into the metal stuff anymore.  Shoot, their music hasn't been metal really is over a decade, so he can probably only fake playing the metal stuff and loving it for so long, but I am sure he knows the fans "need" the token x-number of metal songs in the set list.

It's one of those situations where I can fully sympathize with Mikael and I wouldn't even hold it against him if he decided not to play the metal songs (because his heart isn't in it), but I can also get behind the fans because for many of them, these metal songs is what made the band special for them. While other bands may not have had as big of a stylistic change as Opeth, it would almost be like Iron Maiden saying they wont play any 80s tunes at all anymore or DT saying they are gonna stick to only songs from the Mangini albums. It would disappoint a lot of people.

While I understand the reason to stick to the Opeth name for marketing purposes and having that 'pull' of being an established band for 2 decades, it honestly might have been more of a win-win to just put Opeth to rest after Watershed, move on with a new band name, make it a separate project kinda like SW did after PT dissolved. That way people come to your shows not expecting any old songs, but would rather treat it more as a bonus if you decide you're in the mood to throw some of them in there. But again I get why they stuck with the Opeth name, other bands have changed styles, and the Opeth name and logo, and 'legacy' it carries does count for something.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 20, 2021, 03:35:50 PM
Makes you wonder if Akerfeldt's heart just isn't into the metal stuff anymore.  Shoot, their music hasn't been metal really is over a decade, so he can probably only fake playing the metal stuff and loving it for so long, but I am sure he knows the fans "need" the token x-number of metal songs in the set list.

By that logic they should be playing the songs faster instead of slower so they can get through them more quickly! :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on November 20, 2021, 03:56:01 PM
Makes you wonder if Akerfeldt's heart just isn't into the metal stuff anymore.  Shoot, their music hasn't been metal really is over a decade, so he can probably only fake playing the metal stuff and loving it for so long, but I am sure he knows the fans "need" the token x-number of metal songs in the set list.
While I understand the reason to stick to the Opeth name for marketing purposes and having that 'pull' of being an established band for 2 decades, it honestly might have been more of a win-win to just put Opeth to rest after Watershed, move on with a new band name, make it a separate project kinda like SW did after PT dissolved. That way people come to your shows not expecting any old songs, but would rather treat it more as a bonus if you decide you're in the mood to throw some of them in there. But again I get why they stuck with the Opeth name, other bands have changed styles, and the Opeth name and logo, and 'legacy' it carries does count for something.
Interesting idea.  And then at some-point in the future, if they were feeling it, they could release a new Opeth album (like PT is doing) that would be more metal.  I'm sure the hardcore fans would eat it up.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 20, 2021, 08:26:17 PM
Makes you wonder if Akerfeldt's heart just isn't into the metal stuff anymore.  Shoot, their music hasn't been metal really is over a decade, so he can probably only fake playing the metal stuff and loving it for so long, but I am sure he knows the fans "need" the token x-number of metal songs in the set list.
While I understand the reason to stick to the Opeth name for marketing purposes and having that 'pull' of being an established band for 2 decades, it honestly might have been more of a win-win to just put Opeth to rest after Watershed, move on with a new band name, make it a separate project kinda like SW did after PT dissolved. That way people come to your shows not expecting any old songs, but would rather treat it more as a bonus if you decide you're in the mood to throw some of them in there. But again I get why they stuck with the Opeth name, other bands have changed styles, and the Opeth name and logo, and 'legacy' it carries does count for something.
Interesting idea.  And then at some-point in the future, if they were feeling it, they could release a new Opeth album (like PT is doing) that would be more metal.  I'm sure the hardcore fans would eat it up.

When pigs fly. :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 20, 2021, 09:59:03 PM
To echo many statements, Opeth stopped being what I consider Opeth with Heritage. They are a wholly different band now. A new album would be met with extreme excitement from me before, but now, they are an auto-buy that I don't get all that excited over.

Soen and Katatonia have replaced them in that regard in terms of excitement. I mean, Soen is looking to have my album of the year again. Kinda funny, considering the correlation between Soen/Katatonia and Opeth.

Wow, I just looked at their setlist. I hate to say it, but that would disappoint me. Too short and too samey.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on November 20, 2021, 10:20:48 PM
Makes you wonder if Akerfeldt's heart just isn't into the metal stuff anymore.  Shoot, their music hasn't been metal really is over a decade, so he can probably only fake playing the metal stuff and loving it for so long, but I am sure he knows the fans "need" the token x-number of metal songs in the set list. 

I don't think you have to do any wondering about it.  He's pretty explicitly expressed his disinterest in it for years now. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on November 21, 2021, 11:01:37 AM
I wonder how album sales and concert attendance are for them now, vs. let's say the Ghost Reveries days?  Has this change in direction hurt business much?  Just curious.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: RoeDent on November 21, 2021, 11:29:54 AM
Well they got one more fan in me. I've tried the metal stuff and while I like the intro to Blackwater Park (song) I can't get past the growls. Like, sing properly.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: KevShmev on November 21, 2021, 11:56:53 AM
Makes you wonder if Akerfeldt's heart just isn't into the metal stuff anymore.  Shoot, their music hasn't been metal really is over a decade, so he can probably only fake playing the metal stuff and loving it for so long, but I am sure he knows the fans "need" the token x-number of metal songs in the set list.

It's one of those situations where I can fully sympathize with Mikael and I wouldn't even hold it against him if he decided not to play the metal songs (because his heart isn't in it), but I can also get behind the fans because for many of them, these metal songs is what made the band special for them. While other bands may not have had as big of a stylistic change as Opeth, it would almost be like Iron Maiden saying they wont play any 80s tunes at all anymore or DT saying they are gonna stick to only songs from the Mangini albums. It would disappoint a lot of people.

While I understand the reason to stick to the Opeth name for marketing purposes and having that 'pull' of being an established band for 2 decades, it honestly might have been more of a win-win to just put Opeth to rest after Watershed, move on with a new band name, make it a separate project kinda like SW did after PT dissolved. That way people come to your shows not expecting any old songs, but would rather treat it more as a bonus if you decide you're in the mood to throw some of them in there. But again I get why they stuck with the Opeth name, other bands have changed styles, and the Opeth name and logo, and 'legacy' it carries does count for something.

Yep, the brand name "Opeth" will sell tickets.  Not sure how Akerfeldt would do if he toured as a solo artist.  It worked for Wilson, but I think for most that was simply Wilson continuing his musical path under his own name instead of the PT name, while solo Akerfeldt would likely be viewed as a "no more metal" thing, meaning a lot of fans who still go to Opeth show for the metal songs would far less likely to attend.

Ultimately, I am fine with him continuing under the Opeth name, as the newer stuff sounds like Opeth.  Older Opeth songs like Harvest, Benighted, Isolation Years or pretty much anything from Damnation would have fit right at home on the last few Opeth records.  The only difference now is the lack of metal and growls, so it is not like they have completely changed their sound and style.  It is just now focused more on a particular sound that was always there.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on November 30, 2021, 03:19:20 PM
I've been following this girl for years, and thought she'd quit the internet because she hasn't uploaded in quite some time, but lo and behold, she just posted a majestic cover of "Harvest".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_08z_20GBwU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_08z_20GBwU)

Her cover of "Hope Leaves" is also sublime. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96Y9WbkVTQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96Y9WbkVTQU)

And not Opeth, but easily my favorite that she's done is Katatonia's "In the White".  There are a dozen or two others on her channel as well, I wish she was more prolific, but these are all great. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqGEE1VH8ww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqGEE1VH8ww)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 30, 2021, 03:23:33 PM
That was really nice!  :tup
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Lonk on November 30, 2021, 04:09:14 PM
Her voice reminds me of Amy Lee, good stuff.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on November 30, 2021, 06:37:20 PM
She's clearly a fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutigkjVIEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutigkjVIEg)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: goo-goo on December 01, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
Have a friend who is a huge Opeth fan and was massivley disappointed in last night’s Arizona show. He said about 60% of the attendees left after Mastodon. And setlist was underwhelming and the drummer was meh. I was kind of shocked when he told me this.

I would guess that Mastodon is bigger than Opeth and they should be closing. Does anyone know if they are alternating?

Are fans fed up with the undwrwhelming setlists and Opeth 2.0 music? I lost all interest after Pale Communion. I understand the artisitic change but even Porcupine Tree is coming back!!! Maybe the next album is geared towards being heavier? So many questions…
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: DTA on December 01, 2021, 02:07:22 PM
I stopped seeing Megadeth because their setlists became too predictable. Coheed & Cambria are heading in that same direction for me unfortunately, just too many tours where the same old songs are brought out again and again. I'm not a fan of new Opeth, but I'd see them if they changed up their setlists to give the rest of the back catalog live play.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2021, 02:24:26 PM
I've been listening through some older Opeth for Tims roulette and this band back in their prime were so amazing.  I'm one of the fans that is extremely disappointed in the direction they have gone.  Its really really disappointing.  I'm all for bands changing and evolving like Mastodon for example who have nailed it on the new album but Opeth for me just keep declining.  Its a travesty Mikael is abandoning his metal roots.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: cramx3 on December 01, 2021, 04:48:33 PM
Have a friend who is a huge Opeth fan and was massivley disappointed in last night’s Arizona show. He said about 60% of the attendees left after Mastodon. And setlist was underwhelming and the drummer was meh. I was kind of shocked when he told me this.

I would guess that Mastodon is bigger than Opeth and they should be closing. Does anyone know if they are alternating?

Are fans fed up with the undwrwhelming setlists and Opeth 2.0 music? I lost all interest after Pale Communion. I understand the artisitic change but even Porcupine Tree is coming back!!! Maybe the next album is geared towards being heavier? So many questions…

I went to the NYC show, that night Mastadon headlined but it seems Opeth is more often the headliner.  Not sure how they determine this as it's not an every other night thing it seems.  Their setlists aren't changing by who headlines.

Personally, I thought Mastadon was much better.  Just more energetic and their light show was better.  Opeth played 8 songs that were longer and more dense with a slower pace.  Mastadon are doing 15 songs of diversity and even had some mosh pits open up.  I do think Mikael is an awesome singer though, he's fantastic and I don't dislike the newer songs I've heard, but I understand why some people are turned off from their change in style.

Here's my full video with tons of clips from both bands if you want to compare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkO1z7gHIYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkO1z7gHIYY)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Volante99 on December 03, 2021, 08:11:31 PM
Opeth…
This is going to come off as harsh but THAT is a band that took a nosedive over the last decade.

The Red Rocks live DVD was a total snorefest, devoid of anything resembling energy or attitude. Maybe it was the click track? I respect Mikael for doing whatever the hell he wants artistically, but he needs to put some balls back into Opeth. And good God someone please tell him that not every song needs a mellotron/organ.

I don’t need him to bring death metal growls back (I think Heritage is a prog masterpiece), I just want a more moody, edge, evil Opeth.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: mike099 on December 04, 2021, 04:24:10 AM
Opeth…
This is going to come off as harsh but THAT is a band that took a nosedive over the last decade.

The Red Rocks live DVD was a total snorefest, devoid of anything resembling energy or attitude. Maybe it was the click track? I respect Mikael for doing whatever the hell he wants artistically, but he needs to put some balls back into Opeth. And good God someone please tell him that not every song needs a mellotron/organ.

I don’t need him to bring death metal growls back (I think Heritage is a prog masterpiece), I just want a more moody, edge, evil Opeth.

I would like the band to try some older songs without the growls or harsh vocals. The music on the older albums had a beautiful, mysterious edge.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 04, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
Opeth can still make evil-sounding music, they just aren't consistent enough with it. My favorite song on In Cauda Venenum is definitely Next Of Kin - that song is freaky as hell. Also Strange Brew from Sorceress.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Mladen on December 04, 2021, 09:45:43 AM
Next of kin is the most sinister Opeth song in ages. It's so creepy.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 04, 2021, 10:00:07 AM
Opeth can still make evil-sounding music, they just aren't consistent enough with it. My favorite song on In Cauda Venenum is definitely Next Of Kin - that song is freaky as hell. Also Strange Brew from Sorceress.
Yes to both of those 👍
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on December 04, 2021, 12:45:39 PM
Opeth…
This is going to come off as harsh but THAT is a band that took a nosedive over the last decade.

The Red Rocks live DVD was a total snorefest, devoid of anything resembling energy or attitude. Maybe it was the click track? I respect Mikael for doing whatever the hell he wants artistically, but he needs to put some balls back into Opeth. And good God someone please tell him that not every song needs a mellotron/organ.

I don’t need him to bring death metal growls back (I think Heritage is a prog masterpiece), I just want a more moody, edge, evil Opeth.

How does that work? Mikael's guitar didn't work at some point in Demon Of The Fall. How do they continue to play to a click track after that long pause without a problem?

I actually love the Garden Of The Titans live show, it has one of the best sounds of any live recordings I have ever heard. I don't feel like it's snore fest. That retro-/keyboard-oriented sound is fantastic and it works well with those older songs. Oh and that guitar malfunction really added to Demon Of The Fall and made it better ;)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2021, 05:50:14 PM
Opeth…
This is going to come off as harsh but THAT is a band that took a nosedive over the last decade.

The Red Rocks live DVD was a total snorefest, devoid of anything resembling energy or attitude. Maybe it was the click track? I respect Mikael for doing whatever the hell he wants artistically, but he needs to put some balls back into Opeth. And good God someone please tell him that not every song needs a mellotron/organ.

I don’t need him to bring death metal growls back (I think Heritage is a prog masterpiece), I just want a more moody, edge, evil Opeth.

They have a member in the band whose instrumental duties in the band are solely dedicated to doing organ, mellotron, piano, etc., so good luck with that. ;)

That is like saying, "Someone tell DT that they don't need keyboards in every song."  Jordan Rudess is there for a reason, as is Joakim Svalberg. :)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: RandalGraves on December 04, 2021, 07:44:29 PM
I actually love the Garden Of The Titans live show, it has one of the best sounds of any live recordings I have ever heard. I don't feel like it's snore fest. That retro-/keyboard-oriented sound is fantastic and it works well with those older songs. Oh and that guitar malfunction really added to Demon Of The Fall and made it better ;)

I'm actually a big fan of that show too. Heritage aside, I'm not a huge fan of the production of Opeth's recent albums and think the newer songs fare MUCH better in a live setting. That new(er) keyboardist has a solid voice for harmonies and whatever they use for their acoustic guitar sounds are great!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Volante99 on December 05, 2021, 05:25:30 AM
Opeth…
This is going to come off as harsh but THAT is a band that took a nosedive over the last decade.

The Red Rocks live DVD was a total snorefest, devoid of anything resembling energy or attitude. Maybe it was the click track? I respect Mikael for doing whatever the hell he wants artistically, but he needs to put some balls back into Opeth. And good God someone please tell him that not every song needs a mellotron/organ.

I don’t need him to bring death metal growls back (I think Heritage is a prog masterpiece), I just want a more moody, edge, evil Opeth.

How does that work? Mikael's guitar didn't work at some point in Demon Of The Fall. How do they continue to play to a click track after that long pause without a problem?

I actually love the Garden Of The Titans live show, it has one of the best sounds of any live recordings I have ever heard. I don't feel like it's snore fest. That retro-/keyboard-oriented sound is fantastic and it works well with those older songs. Oh and that guitar malfunction really added to Demon Of The Fall and made it better ;)

Change my quote from “the” click track to “a” click track. Total assumption on my part, especially with it being a live DVD. But I have no idea.

It’s super hard to quantify the lack of energy in that show but it just seems to exemplify the problems with the band for me. The whole vibe is just “off”. From a technical/production standpoint, yes, it’s a great recording and that’s the best the band has ever sounded live, I will concede to that.

As far as adding the 50’s soap opera/ballpark organ to all the classic death metal songs; no. Just…no. I get it though, every Swedish citizen gets a copy of Deep Purple In Rock with their birth certificate so the man can’t help himself. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 28, 2022, 11:12:47 AM
OPETH Reveals New Track “Width Of A Circle;”
Preorders For In Cauda Venenum (Extended Edition) Featuring Six Bonus Tracks Available Now

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/news/opeth-reveals-new-track-width-of-a-circle

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 28, 2022, 11:31:43 AM
It's more three bonus tracks with English and Swedish versions for both.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 28, 2022, 11:43:10 AM
new book from Jordan Blum
https://twitter.com/JordanBlum87/status/1479856497836408835

"On Track - Opeth: Every Album, Every Song' arrives on 24/2/22 (UK) and 4/29/22 (US). "
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on March 28, 2022, 11:58:05 AM
Opeth re-releasing this album is starting to become that meme of GTA V lasting across multiple platforms while other games have 2-3 sequels.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 28, 2022, 12:23:11 PM
I wish they would have used the down time during Covid to go into the studio and work on a whole new album, rather than re-release the last album with a few bonus tracks - but that's just me.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: KevShmev on March 28, 2022, 07:23:39 PM
Yeah, it feels lazy.  I get that you can't force creativity, but when you see how some artists were crazy productive in the last two years with all of the downtime, it really stands out when you see bands like Opeth, Haken, etc. who seemingly sat on their asses and did nothing new instead of taking advantage of all of the free time.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Nel on March 28, 2022, 08:00:44 PM
I would have rather gotten an EP instead of double-dipping on a three-year old album for just a few extra tracks. It feels both too long and not long enough since the release date for an updated reissue.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: TM172003 on March 30, 2022, 09:48:08 AM
Yeah, it feels lazy.  I get that you can't force creativity, but when you see how some artists were crazy productive in the last two years with all of the downtime, it really stands out when you see bands like Opeth, Haken, etc. who seemingly sat on their asses and did nothing new instead of taking advantage of all of the free time.

Well for a start Haken has finished writing their next album, and Mikael has been busy writing the score for a Netflix show. Doesn’t scream laziness to me  ::)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 30, 2022, 10:35:59 AM
To put the release into perspective. That Special Edition seems like it was made to be specifically sold at the upcoming shows with Mastodon. Then, if you can't attend the shows you can pre-order it for when it's released after the tour is over. Also, it's a way for fans to not have to buy the collectors edition to get the vinyl specific songs.

Which is what I notice people crying about when you have to buy the special version and not being released individually. Which is exactly what Opeth is doing here

So it's best to look at that before claiming that the band is being lazy with this release.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 30, 2022, 12:24:14 PM
Yeah, it feels lazy.  I get that you can't force creativity, but when you see how some artists were crazy productive in the last two years with all of the downtime, it really stands out when you see bands like Opeth, Haken, etc. who seemingly sat on their asses and did nothing new instead of taking advantage of all of the free time.

Well for a start Haken has finished writing their next album, and Mikael has been busy writing the score for a Netflix show. Doesn’t scream laziness to me  ::)
This may be true, but us Opeth fans want a new Opeth album!  We could care less about some Netflix show.  Just being honest.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on March 30, 2022, 12:37:39 PM
I consider myself a pretty big Opeth fan and I can't say I'm really itching for new albums. Heritage onwards aren't bad albums but we're past the point of "omg can't wait for a new album" and onto "they are releasing another album, i guess i'll check it out". But I know for some others it's the reverse. :D
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 30, 2022, 12:40:45 PM
I consider myself a pretty big Opeth fan and I can't say I'm really itching for new albums. Heritage onwards aren't bad albums but we're past the point of "omg can't wait for a new album" and onto "they are releasing another album, i guess i'll check it out". But I know for some others it's the reverse. :D
I basically agree, but I'm still holding out hope they change directions once again.  Maybe not back to the "Classic" Opeth sound, but something different nevertheless that will hold my interest.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zantera on March 30, 2022, 12:57:25 PM
I consider myself a pretty big Opeth fan and I can't say I'm really itching for new albums. Heritage onwards aren't bad albums but we're past the point of "omg can't wait for a new album" and onto "they are releasing another album, i guess i'll check it out". But I know for some others it's the reverse. :D
I basically agree, but I'm still holding out hope they change directions once again.  Maybe not back to the "Classic" Opeth sound, but something different nevertheless that will hold my interest.

I think they've done fantastic songs in the past without harsh vocals or leaning a bit less on the death metal influence (a fair judgement and face of melinda are 2 examples) so I wouldn't mind something that has more of the modern sound but goes in that direction. For me it's the 70s retro aesthetic/sound that drags it down.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 30, 2022, 01:22:41 PM
I consider myself a pretty big Opeth fan and I can't say I'm really itching for new albums. Heritage onwards aren't bad albums but we're past the point of "omg can't wait for a new album" and onto "they are releasing another album, i guess i'll check it out". But I know for some others it's the reverse. :D
I basically agree, but I'm still holding out hope they change directions once again.  Maybe not back to the "Classic" Opeth sound, but something different nevertheless that will hold my interest.

I think they've done fantastic songs in the past without harsh vocals or leaning a bit less on the death metal influence (a fair judgement and face of melinda are 2 examples) so I wouldn't mind something that has more of the modern sound but goes in that direction. For me it's the 70s retro aesthetic/sound that drags it down.
I 100% agree, I'm very tired of the 70's retro sound at this point.  Just go back to Watershed and songs like Burden, Porcelain Heart and Hex Omega.  These songs had clean vocals and a more modern prog type sound to them.  I'd be up for something along those lines.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: faizoff on May 06, 2022, 12:38:46 PM
Mikael Akerfeldt composed the soundtrack to a Netflix Series called 'Clark'

I'm curious to watch it as it's apparently about the origins of the 'Stockholm Syndrome'.

I did check out some of the tracks and seems like a progression of In Cauda Venenum. Should be a fun listen as I'm really into TV and Movie scores.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on May 06, 2022, 01:20:45 PM
Mikael Akerfeldt composed the soundtrack to a Netflix Series called 'Clark'

I'm curious to watch it as it's apparently about the origins of the 'Stockholm Syndrome'.

I did check out some of the tracks and seems like a progression of In Cauda Venenum. Should be a fun listen as I'm really into TV and Movie scores.

I gave it a listen last night. It's not bad and a lot of it could fit on an Opeth album. Not sure I'd give many repeated listens but I should probably at least try and watch the show to see how it compliment the series.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: emtee on May 06, 2022, 02:12:26 PM
Timely bump.

Just finished spinning The Roundhouse Tapes. Man, nobody does transitions from brutal to ethereal like Opeth. The heavy is the most head banging rifftastic and drumtastic imaginable and the mellow ethereal is beautiful and emotional. They are the kings. I also love hearing modern, live takes on early material that suffers from sonic quality...new life is brought to those songs.

Just an incredible and moving band. They take you on a journey.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 15, 2022, 01:19:07 PM
Mikael Akerfeldt composed the soundtrack to a Netflix Series called 'Clark'

I'm curious to watch it as it's apparently about the origins of the 'Stockholm Syndrome'.

I did check out some of the tracks and seems like a progression of In Cauda Venenum. Should be a fun listen as I'm really into TV and Movie scores.

I gave it a listen last night. It's not bad and a lot of it could fit on an Opeth album. Not sure I'd give many repeated listens but I should probably at least try and watch the show to see how it compliment the series.
Had no idea Mikael did the OST until I saw him in the actual show and was like WTF that's.... had to check it out and yes, it all made sense now given the music actually sounded a bit familiar.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: faizoff on May 16, 2022, 02:07:10 PM
I just finished listening to the soundtrack, MA sings on a few songs. The whole soundtrack is like a homage to 70s and 80s movie soundtracks with more 70s stuff than 80s. It's was an enjoyable listen, I might order the CD version of it.

I am now curious about the show and debating on starting it.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ErHaO on May 16, 2022, 03:36:18 PM
I find Mikael to have a very pleasant clean singing voice, it also seems he got better at that in recent years as his focus shifted. Looked up some recent Opeth live clips and he sounds great.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 21, 2022, 08:57:09 AM
Mikael Akerfeldt composed the soundtrack to a Netflix Series called 'Clark'

I'm curious to watch it as it's apparently about the origins of the 'Stockholm Syndrome'.

I did check out some of the tracks and seems like a progression of In Cauda Venenum. Should be a fun listen as I'm really into TV and Movie scores.

On writing the soundtrack to CLARK, ÅKERFELDT notes: “Writing the music for CLARK is probably one of the most rewarding things I’ve done musically. It was so fun. Challenging, but fun. I wanted to do a good job of course, and provide music that would fit with the rather bizarre tale of Clark Olofsson. I had to conjure up a sound for him. His sound. It’s all in my head I guess, but it felt like I was on to something after having finished the first track. The immediate feedback from Jonas Åkerlund was almost overly positive. So I just took it from there. During the pandemic I wrote so much music for this project, but I like to think I didn’t stray too much from the "original sound of Clark". The finished soundtrack record is a downright wish-mash of musical styles. Some sounds I’m familiar with. Other sounds were brand new to me. Or old, depending on how you see it. Brand ”old”? The album doesn’t really make musical sense at all, and that’s pretty much the purpose. Writing music to portray the multi-faceted story of a man like Clark Olofsson was bound to generate some type of musical insanity. It (the music) is just all over the place. Oddly enough, so is my own personal taste in music. Even if many would deem Clark "a man insane", it really helped me in my work. No boundaries (let’s cross them). No rules (let’s break them). Anything goes….”

ABOUT CLARK
Clark is a Swedish-language series directed by Jonas Åkerlund from scripts written by Fredrik Agetoft, Peter Arrhenius and Jonas Åkerlund. It’s based on the life and career of Sweden’s most infamous bank robber, Clark Olofsson. He’s also credited as the man behind the expression “The Stockholm syndrome.”

CLARK (SOUNDTRACK FROM THE NETFLIX FILM)
TRACKLISTING –
0.    Libertine Theme
1.    Tango Bizarre
2.    Druglord Panic
3.    Rockefellers
4.    Vintage Modern
5.    Wish You Were There
6.    The Weak Heart
7.    Happiness
8.    Ode to Confusion in A Minor
9.    La Shay' Jadid Taht Alshams
10.    The Real Me
11.    Here's That Sunny Day
12.    Perfect Horizon
13.    Sea Slumber
14.    Then
15.    The Hunted Are in the Clear
16.    Northern Hemispheres
17.    Ordinary Folks
18.    Distant Spring
19.    Funky Chicken
20.    Code to the Vault
21.    Two Mermaids
22.    Rags to Riches
23.    Sunrise
24.    Red & White
25.    Headfirst Into The Storm
26.    Ballad of the Libertine in G Minor
27.    Lost in San Marino *
28.    Rhodes Rat
29.    Måndag i Stockholm *
30.    Mother of One
31.    Vielleicht Später *
32.    Battle For Love *
33.    Night Life
* vocals

The albums cones out tomorrow.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: faizoff on July 21, 2022, 09:18:03 AM
I think the CDs come out tomorrow. The soundtrack has been streaming for a while. Still haven't watched the show yet.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ErHaO on July 21, 2022, 05:27:02 PM
I see the show reviewed well. And it seems it is a limited series (so a full arc and no chance for cancelflix to do their thing)? I am interested in giving it a go, but the list of series I want to watch is getting long  :lol
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zydar on September 13, 2022, 12:56:40 AM
Opeth announces their new drummer.

"Swedish progressive metal legends Opeth have announced that Waltteri Väyrynen (Bloodbath, ex-Paradise Lost, Bodom After Midnight) as their new drummer, Blabbermouth reports. Väyrynen will make his live debut with Opeth this Wednesday (September 14th) in Tallinn, Estonia. He is the replacement of stand-in drummer Sami Karppinen, who had been the temporary replacement for Martin "Axe" Axenrot since the fall of last year".

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/opeth_recruit_new_drummer_waltteri_vyrynen.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/opeth_recruit_new_drummer_waltteri_vyrynen.html)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on September 13, 2022, 01:22:31 AM
Next week both Opeth and Soen will be in Vienna, on two consecutive days. I think I will go to both concerts. I don’t know a lot about Soen, but I am excited to see them!  :metal

I wonder if Martin Lopez and Opeth will meet to have a little chat?
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: emtee on September 13, 2022, 03:47:23 AM
Had no idea Axe left Opeth. I had to Google the headlines to find out why. The age old creative differences of opinion.

He did a fine job and will be missed. His performance on The Roundhouse Tapes is great. Excellent snare sound too.

Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 13, 2022, 04:17:21 AM
Didn't know that either. But haven't followed Opeth closely for the last couple of years.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 13, 2022, 06:52:59 AM
Axe didn’t want the vaxx…why he left.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 13, 2022, 09:58:56 PM
Had no idea they were doing an Evolution XXX tour. I saw a YouTube video pop up in my feed for Black Rose Immortal and it looked recent which confused me. Checking the setlist and they are playing the song, and in its entirety. Frankly, the whole setlist is pretty nice. Would love to have seen this tour. Looks like they swapped out a song for a different one between the first and second nights.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: billboy73 on November 14, 2022, 12:07:27 PM
They finally played Black Rose Immortal!  All the fans clamoring for it can rest easy now.  Never been a huge fan of that song, but  it's cool to see them finally bust it out.  Would love to see that setlist live though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 14, 2022, 01:40:46 PM
Ooo...Now that's a setlist I would enjoy a lot.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: DTA on November 14, 2022, 03:36:35 PM
Wow, they actually changed up the setlist a bit (though I can't figure out why Sorceress is completely ignored other than the title track).
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Grappler on November 15, 2022, 10:03:03 AM
Wow, they actually changed up the setlist a bit (though I can't figure out why Sorceress is completely ignored other than the title track).

From what I saw online, this is a fan-requested setlist where they are playing only one song from every album, as voted on by the fans. 

I discovered Opeth in the late 90's with Morningrise and dug it for a time.  But I moved onto other bands.  I tried Blackwater Park about 7 years ago and felt the same, I just couldn't get into them.

Having seen the clip of them playing Black Rose Immortal, I listened to the song in full and really got into it.  Now I'm giving their heavier albums a spin and am happy to have finally gotten more into the band after finding them 20 years ago.   :metal
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ErHaO on November 15, 2022, 10:24:08 AM
I actually voted on their setlist request thing, it seems they really made work of it. Unfortunately I cannot make it to a show of theirs this tour, but it was cool they did such a thing. Hopefully they will make a live recording.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ErHaO on November 21, 2022, 04:00:38 AM
Went to their show last minute this weekend. Glad I did.

Truly great performance! Mikeals growls have definitely improved over the last couple of years and his clean vocals are just superb. He was into it, even did a nice growl in Devil's Orchard. The lightshow/stage design is second to none in my opinion, was really suprised by how immersive the stage was. And offcourse the entire band played (and sung) well.

I don't really enjoy early Opeth as the production is not my taste and his earlier high pitched growling doesn't do it for me. But live a track like Black Rose Immortal is a fantastic experience. I really hope they record this one.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: geeeemo on November 29, 2022, 07:39:29 PM
I am just getting into Opeth. My son has been trying for months (after we heard Opeth about a year ago on some random DT made playlist). I was struggling with the growling. But, I was on YouTube a few weekends ago, thinking I would watch some music and thought. "Hmm, what is Opeth like live?". I landed on Garden of the Titans. That did it. MA has a wonderful voice and he is quite interesting to listen to. The music has very cool and odd sounds and I can take a few growls now. ;D. How fun to Finally...find a band that can divert me from DT for a bit.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on November 30, 2022, 11:54:54 AM
I am just getting into Opeth. My son has been trying for months (after we heard Opeth about a year ago on some random DT made playlist). I was struggling with the growling. But, I was on YouTube a few weekends ago, thinking I would watch some music and thought. "Hmm, what is Opeth like live?". I landed on Garden of the Titans. That did it. MA has a wonderful voice and he is quite interesting to listen to. The music has very cool and odd sounds and I can take a few growls now. ;D. How fun to Finally...find a band that can divert me from DT for a bit.
Glad to hear they finally "clicked" for you.  It took me several years to get into them as I didn't really "get" them at first (didn't like the growling at first, love it now). Now they're one of my favorite bands of all time!  Enjoy the journey..
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: geeeemo on November 30, 2022, 11:58:08 AM
I am just getting into Opeth. My son has been trying for months (after we heard Opeth about a year ago on some random DT made playlist). I was struggling with the growling. But, I was on YouTube a few weekends ago, thinking I would watch some music and thought. "Hmm, what is Opeth like live?". I landed on Garden of the Titans. That did it. MA has a wonderful voice and he is quite interesting to listen to. The music has very cool and odd sounds and I can take a few growls now. ;D. How fun to Finally...find a band that can divert me from DT for a bit.
Glad to hear they finally "clicked" for you.  It took me several years to get into them as I didn't really "get" them at first (didn't like the growling at first, love it now). Now they're one of my favorite bands of all time!  Enjoy the journey..

The journey is so fun. I had that journey with DT in 2016! The best musical time ever in my life!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 17, 2023, 06:03:18 AM
Just seem this post on the Opeth reddit. I love that Mikael used to interact with the fans in this way back then.

Also, is it even possible to read these posts of Mikael's without hearing his voice?  :lol

The last picture references Samsara. Is that our very own Samsara?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Opeth/comments/11t4koj/once_upon_a_time_there_was_an_opeth_forum_where/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content =share_button (https://www.reddit.com/r/Opeth/comments/11t4koj/once_upon_a_time_there_was_an_opeth_forum_where/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content =share_button)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: DTA on March 17, 2023, 07:32:49 AM
Someone mentioned in the comments that Mikael said he didn't like Moonlapse Vertigo... :omg:

Musicians opinions about their own music never fails to shock me
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 17, 2023, 08:33:28 AM
Someone mentioned in the comments that Mikael said he didn't like Moonlapse Vertigo... :omg:

Musicians opinions about their own music never fails to shock me
I’ve always thought Akerfeldt was more harsh on his own work than the average artist though
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 17, 2023, 08:50:25 AM
I mean, I just love the dry way that Mikael talks about anything and everything. But because of that, I'd take some of the things he says about Operh with a pinch of salt. He may well dislike Moonlapse Vertigo though.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 17, 2023, 06:00:00 PM
I mean, I just love the dry way that Mikael talks about anything and everything. But because of that, I'd take some of the things he says about Operh with a pinch of salt. He may well dislike Moonlapse Vertigo though.
:loser: This for sure
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kocak on November 15, 2023, 11:11:47 AM
Lost music video for Windowpane. Nostalgic vibes indeed.

https://youtu.be/juxHzSlMbNQ
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on November 15, 2023, 05:24:21 PM
Man, that really makes me reminiscent.  First, just extra footage from that making of I watched a number of times back then.  And then secondly, when Damnation came out one of my first memories of it was putting "Hope Leaves" on after finishing a final exam, walking out of the building into a light rain, and eating a Reese's fast break bar.  A memory probably permanently seared into my mind. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 15, 2023, 07:09:25 PM
My favorite lineup of the band. Lopez is just one of the smoothest drummers I have ever seen. He makes it look so effortless. I so enjoy just watching him play.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: nick_z on November 15, 2023, 07:11:43 PM
My favorite lineup of the band. Lopez is just one of the smoothest drummers I have ever seen. He makes it look so effortless. I so enjoy just watching him play.

Agreed - it's one of the reasons the performance on the Lamentations DVD is so good.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kocak on November 16, 2023, 01:19:27 AM
My favorite lineup of the band. Lopez is just one of the smoothest drummers I have ever seen. He makes it look so effortless. I so enjoy just watching him play.

IMO he's the perfect drummer for the post-2010 retro-prog era of Opeth too. Just has the right flavour.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: emtee on November 16, 2023, 05:17:43 AM
Lopez is fantastic. He managed to always create unique and memorable parts. His performance on Ghost Reveries is among my all time favorites.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 16, 2024, 09:14:14 PM
bump.

Ian Anderson to guest on their upcoming album

https://blabbermouth.net/news/jethro-tulls-ian-anderson-to-guest-on-opeths-next-album
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Fritzinger on February 20, 2024, 03:16:21 AM
I was wondering when the time for a new Opeth album would come. Cauda came out almost 4 1/2 years ago.

BTW I love how Anderson talks about Opeth like they’re a newcomer in the prog scene  :lol “they’re Swedish”, hilarious.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kocak on February 20, 2024, 03:21:19 AM
I was wondering when the time for a new Opeth album would come. Cauda came out almost 4 1/2 years ago.

BTW I love how Anderson talks about Opeth like they’re a newcomer in the prog scene  :lol “they’re Swedish”, hilarious.

You'd be surprised to know how many professional musicians actually have no interest in the general music landscape. A surprisingly small number of them are actually up to date on what's goes on in the industry. I.e. MP is an outlier when it comes to being that dialled in.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on February 20, 2024, 12:10:53 PM
saw this thread got bumped and got excited for some news lol

ICV remains their best post-Watershed record (IMO) very excited for where they go from here
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on February 20, 2024, 12:14:21 PM
saw this thread got bumped and got excited for some news lol

ICV remains their best post-Watershed record (IMO) very excited for where they go from here
I would agree with this - with Pale Communion a close second.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kocak on February 20, 2024, 12:25:06 PM
saw this thread got bumped and got excited for some news lol

ICV remains their best post-Watershed record (IMO) very excited for where they go from here
I would agree with this - with Pale Communion a close second.

Eternal Rains Will Come is still one of my favourite album openers. Amazing track.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: nick_z on February 20, 2024, 03:00:56 PM
saw this thread got bumped and got excited for some news lol

ICV remains their best post-Watershed record (IMO) very excited for where they go from here
I would agree with this - with Pale Communion a close second.

Agree with both
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on February 20, 2024, 08:33:39 PM
I was wondering when the time for a new Opeth album would come. Cauda came out almost 4 1/2 years ago.

BTW I love how Anderson talks about Opeth like they’re a newcomer in the prog scene  :lol “they’re Swedish”, hilarious.

You'd be surprised to know how many professional musicians actually have no interest in the general music landscape. A surprisingly small number of them are actually up to date on what's goes on in the industry. I.e. MP is an outlier when it comes to being that dialled in.

And I don't know much about Ian's tastes, but if he was the type who didn't like harsh vocals, Opeth wouldn't even have been something to interest him at all until a bit over a decade ago. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 07, 2024, 08:21:03 AM
I recently came around to The Baying of the Hounds. Probably one of my favorite Opeth songs now. I never disliked it or anything, but I think the beginning of the song is maybe the weakest part, so I was tuning out early. That outro though... :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 07, 2024, 08:36:42 AM
I recently came around to The Baying of the Hounds. Probably one of my favorite Opeth songs now. I never disliked it or anything, but I think the beginning of the song is maybe the weakest part, so I was tuning out early. That outro though... :hefdaddy
That song is awesome.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 07, 2024, 08:42:37 AM
I recently came around to The Baying of the Hounds. Probably one of my favorite Opeth songs now. I never disliked it or anything, but I think the beginning of the song is maybe the weakest part, so I was tuning out early.

Oh come on now, "I hear them devouring....fresh-made tacos of the earth" is clearly the best part. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: emtee on March 07, 2024, 09:07:00 AM
Ghost Reveries represents the single biggest one-eighty of any album in my life. I was new to this genre of music but the people at MP's forum kept raving about Opeth...so I bought GR. First couple minutes and WHAM, I felt like pure evil was pumping out of my speakers. The music though...was beautiful. So I ended up giving my CD to a member, DTD was his handle. Then everybody said, "try Damnation" so I did. And I loved it. Couple weeks later I bought GR for the second time and from then on, I was hooked.

I still don't love the lyrical content so I try not to pat attention to it. But GR is among my top 3 metal albums of all time now.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 07, 2024, 09:14:06 AM
Ghost Reveries is possibly a top 10 all time album for me (or very close) so I obviously adore everything about it. The Baying of the Hounds is not often a song that springs to my mind as a favourite, but it is awesome.

As with every song on the album, it's filled with twists and turns, contrasts from heavy to light and changes in pace. I think of all Opeth's albums I love Ghost Reveries the most because of their mastery of these contrasts.

As for favourite bits, the "Everything you believed is a lie" part, as well as the solo just before the 7 minute mark. Yea, just an incredible song.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 07, 2024, 09:18:38 AM
The headphone jack in my MP3 player wore out and only outputted audio on one side, so for a month or two of the fall '05 semester before I could save enough for a replacement I went back to my portable CD player on campus, and almost exclusively went back and forth between listening to Ghost Reveries, and Nevermore's This Godless Endeavor
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: PixelDream on March 07, 2024, 10:42:33 AM
I hope the production will be any good on their new record. In Cauda Venenum sounds very harsh and unpleasant to my ears.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 07, 2024, 10:45:32 AM
I hope the production will be any good on their new record. In Cauda Venenum sounds very harsh and unpleasant to my ears.

Every album since Heritage has sounded incredibly "brown", if that makes any sense. :lol Especially the last two.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Lonk on March 07, 2024, 10:47:40 AM
I recently came around to The Baying of the Hounds. Probably one of my favorite Opeth songs now. I never disliked it or anything, but I think the beginning of the song is maybe the weakest part, so I was tuning out early.

Oh come on now, "I hear them devouring....fresh-made tacos of the earth" is clearly the best part.
DIABOLICAL BEANS!!!!

Yeah that song is great, favorite from the album.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 07, 2024, 11:11:03 AM
I hope the production will be any good on their new record. In Cauda Venenum sounds very harsh and unpleasant to my ears.

Every album since Heritage has sounded incredibly "brown", if that makes any sense. :lol Especially the last two.
Yeah they need to go back to great-sounding records. Sorceress in particular sounds dreadful. But GR is one of the most well mixed and best sounding metal albums ever. One of the many reasons why it’s my favorite!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 07, 2024, 11:20:10 AM
Ghost Reveries is possibly a top 10 all time album for me (or very close) so I obviously adore everything about it. The Baying of the Hounds is not often a song that springs to my mind as a favourite, but it is awesome.

As with every song on the album, it's filled with twists and turns, contrasts from heavy to light and changes in pace. I think of all Opeth's albums I love Ghost Reveries the most because of their mastery of these contrasts.

As for favourite bits, the "Everything you believed is a lie" part, as well as the solo just before the 7 minute mark. Yea, just an incredible song.
Ghost Reveries is definitely in my Top 10 albums of all time and is my favorite Opeth album.  Everything about Ghost Reveries KICKS ASS!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 08, 2024, 06:18:46 AM
Ghost Reveries is possibly a top 10 all time album for me (or very close) so I obviously adore everything about it. The Baying of the Hounds is not often a song that springs to my mind as a favourite, but it is awesome.

As with every song on the album, it's filled with twists and turns, contrasts from heavy to light and changes in pace. I think of all Opeth's albums I love Ghost Reveries the most because of their mastery of these contrasts.

As for favourite bits, the "Everything you believed is a lie" part, as well as the solo just before the 7 minute mark. Yea, just an incredible song.
Ghost Reveries is definitely in my Top 10 albums of all time and is my favorite Opeth album.  Everything about Ghost Reveries KICKS ASS!
I was watching an Opeth podcast recently where they were ranking the albums. MP was randomly there and he described Ghost Reveries as a fusion of Deliverance and Damnation. I was like... Huh, never thought of it that way, but it makes perfect sense. Great album!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 08, 2024, 06:25:41 AM
Oh, I feel an Opeth kick coming on!

(https://media.tenor.com/djLZO8IvlG4AAAAM/got-off-dennis.gif)
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: nobloodyname on March 08, 2024, 06:59:42 AM
This thread inspired me to pop on Ghost Reveries. First time in a while. What an album. Light years ahead of anything that came after it. The music is actually interesting!
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Zydar on March 08, 2024, 07:11:30 AM
Great to see the love for Ghost Reveries, that's my favourite Opeth album. Feels like a lot of focus goes towards Blackwater Park otherwise, but not enough to GR.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 08, 2024, 07:31:54 AM
Great to see the love for Ghost Reveries, that's my favourite Opeth album. Feels like a lot of focus goes towards Blackwater Park otherwise, but not enough to GR.
Well said, couldn’t agree more. It’s a masterpiece just as much as BwP in my personal opinion. The stars aligned for them on that one.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 08, 2024, 07:36:55 AM
I don't want to be the one asshole that ruins the GR praise parade, but I'll just say that Watershed hits the same appeal as GR while also being more varied, interesting, and exciting.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 08, 2024, 08:21:24 AM
I don't want to be the one asshole that ruins the GR praise parade, but I'll just say that Watershed hits the same appeal as GR while also being more varied, interesting, and exciting.

I wouldn't say Watershed is more varied, interesting, and exciting, but as my second favourite Opeth album I'd say it's almost as varied, interesting, and exciting.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 08, 2024, 08:48:37 AM
I still like WS a lot, but it just feels "off" to me, like Mike's jadedness with extreme metal is starting to seep in, and it doesn't have the same atmosphere as their earlier material. 

I was watching an Opeth podcast recently where they were ranking the albums. MP was randomly there and he described Ghost Reveries as a fusion of Deliverance and Damnation. I was like... Huh, never thought of it that way, but it makes perfect sense. Great album!

It works in the other direction too.  The intention was to sort of split their sound from BWP in half, with an album focusing more heavily on each side of them.  That whole four album run of BWP-GR is easily their peak for me. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kram on March 08, 2024, 10:30:23 AM
OK, here we go (again) lol

1. Ghost Reveries
2. Blackwater Park
3. Watershed
4. Deliverance
5. Still Life
6. Damnation
7. In Cauda Venenum
8. Pale Communion
9. My Arms Your Hearse
10. Orchid
11. Heritage
12. Sorceress
13. Morningrise
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 08, 2024, 10:34:14 AM
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Ghost Reveries
Damnation
My Arms Your Hearse
Still Life
Morningrise
Heritage
Watershed
In Cauda Venenum
Pale Communion
Orchid
Sorceress
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 08, 2024, 10:41:24 AM
I'll bite...

1. Ghost Reveries
2. Watershed
3. Blackwater Park
4. Damnation
5. Still Life
6. In Cauda Venenum
7. Sorceress
8. Pale Communion
9. Deliverance
10. Heritage
11. My Arms Your Hearse
12. Morningrise
13. Orchid
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 08, 2024, 10:48:53 AM
Our biggest difference I guess is Deliverance
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: twosuitsluke on March 08, 2024, 10:53:05 AM
And the fact you have ranked Watershed criminally low, although I guess you explained that earlier.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on March 08, 2024, 11:11:36 AM
The other thing is that while Axenrot has more chops, I prefer the feel of Lopez.  That's probably a quite significant part of it. 
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on March 14, 2024, 07:24:41 AM
I recently came around to The Baying of the Hounds. Probably one of my favorite Opeth songs now. I never disliked it or anything, but I think the beginning of the song is maybe the weakest part, so I was tuning out early. That outro though... :hefdaddy

you should check the freak folk album by Comus. a few Opeth songs directly use that bands lyrics as song titles and other lyrics - and Baying of the Hounds is one of them

the album is Comus - First Utterance
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: Kocak on March 15, 2024, 05:06:26 AM
I recently came around to The Baying of the Hounds. Probably one of my favorite Opeth songs now. I never disliked it or anything, but I think the beginning of the song is maybe the weakest part, so I was tuning out early. That outro though... :hefdaddy

you should check the freak folk album by Comus. a few Opeth songs directly use that bands lyrics as song titles and other lyrics - and Baying of the Hounds is one of them

the album is Comus - First Utterance

Comus! What a great discovery. Thank you for this.
Title: Re: The official Opeth thread v. In Cauda Venenum
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on March 15, 2024, 07:18:25 AM
it's one of the most unique sounding things i've ever heard. i absolutely love it