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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Tick on July 11, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
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Something I have always wanted to comment on...
I always find the way James speaks to the crowd on Score a bit odd. Its very deliberate and almost theatrical in nature. Is there a term for the manor in which he speaks? because its certainly not natural. Anyone else find it strange in general?
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I always thought it just sounds a little weird because they had to rehearse these things by the minute (and they still got punished for going overtime), and because he was really sick up to the show, and they were all kinda tired.
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So I guess I'm pretty much that thinks he is over the top on Score? Ok then, moving on....
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I just assumed that was James' weird "we're recording this for DVD" voice. He sometimes seems more goofy/awkward than at non-recorded shows.
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I just assumed that was James' weird "we're recording this for DVD" voice. He sometimes seems more goofy/awkward than at non-recorded shows.
Its just awkward.
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Maybe he just wanted to make sure he didn't make the same "especially special" comment he had previously! :biggrin:
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His awkward banter on the Boston DVD will top Score. I think its just a natural physical reaction of trying to speak casually in the heat of an adrenaline rush.
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His awkward banter on the Boston DVD will top Score. I think its just a natural physical reaction of trying to speak casually in the heat of an adrenaline rush.
Yup.
He seems surprisingly uncomfortable speaking to crowds. It's like he's saying one thing while thinking of another.
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He's never struck me as someone who is totally relaxed talking to crowds and whatnot, but it's not like he's bad at it; just not a natural.
I still wish someone to tell him to not talk over solos. Like saying, "Mr. John Petrucci!" at the end of JP's Hollow Years solo at the Budokan show, or yapping, "Give it up for these guys!" during the climax of the Beyond This Life solo section at the same show. :facepalm:
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I still wish someone to tell him to not talk over solos. Like saying, "Mr. John Petrucci!" at the end of JP's Hollow Years solo at the Budokan show, or yapping, "Give it up for these guys!" during the climax of the Beyond This Life solo section at the same show. :facepalm:
Nah, I like that. I just wish he'd give JM some props.
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His awkward banter on the Boston DVD will top Score. I think its just a natural physical reaction of trying to speak casually in the heat of an adrenaline rush.
Yup.
He seems surprisingly uncomfortable speaking to crowds. It's like he's saying one thing while thinking of another.
Oh god, yes. I know James is completely heterosexual and I'm not insinuating anything ... but there are several moments where he sounds positively homosexual in his inflection.
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He's never struck me as someone who is totally relaxed talking to crowds and whatnot, but it's not like he's bad at it; just not a natural.
I still wish someone to tell him to not talk over solos. Like saying, "Mr. John Petrucci!" at the end of JP's Hollow Years solo at the Budokan show, or yapping, "Give it up for these guys!" during the climax of the Beyond This Life solo section at the same show. :facepalm:
The thing that kills me the most was his habit on the last tour of introducing the song after the band had been playing it for a minute. "This is a A Fortune in Lies" or "This is from the Awake album!" - really? I think we've already figured that out by now! :facepalm:
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Something I have always wanted to comment on...
I always find the way James speaks to the crowd on Score a bit odd. Its very deliberate and almost theatrical in nature. Is there a term for the manor in which he speaks? because its certainly not natural. Anyone else find it strange in general?
It's certainly different, but I just always accepted it as being his style of speaking to the crowd, and let's face it, it's quite different from any other frontman I've ever heard. But I dig it.
I still wish someone to tell him to not talk over solos. Like saying, "Mr. John Petrucci!" at the end of JP's Hollow Years solo at the Budokan show, or yapping, "Give it up for these guys!" during the climax of the Beyond This Life solo section at the same show. :facepalm:
Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes. It saddens me every time he does that.
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Oh god, yes. I know James is completely heterosexual and I'm not insinuating anything ... but there are several moments where he sounds positively homosexual in his inflection.
I think the term you're thinking of is flamboyant.
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He's never struck me as someone who is totally relaxed talking to crowds and whatnot, but it's not like he's bad at it; just not a natural.
I still wish someone to tell him to not talk over solos. Like saying, "Mr. John Petrucci!" at the end of JP's Hollow Years solo at the Budokan show, or yapping, "Give it up for these guys!" during the climax of the Beyond This Life solo section at the same show. :facepalm:
The thing that kills me the most was his habit on the last tour of introducing the song after the band had been playing it for a minute. "This is a A Fortune in Lies" or "This is from the Awake album!" - really? I think we've already figured that out by now! :facepalm:
Regarding Kev's complaint about saying the band member's names after/during solos, I think it comes from jazz band performances. I'm not sure how much influence jazz bands are on to JLB, but I've been to jazz concerts where musicians take a solo, and the conductor would say the soloist's name after their solo, or near the end of it, which would then lead to applause by the audience. Sure, DT aren't a jazz band, but the jammy aspect, as well as their ability to play long (and sometimes extended), virtuoso solos lends itself to being LIKE a jazz band performance.
As for saying what album a song is from after it has begun...that is a bit annoying, but I guess it's for new fans? I mean, someone who JUST discovered the band an album or two back might not know what song "Caught In A Web" is from, or what even "A Fortune In Lies" is! I think it's for THEIR benefit.
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Oh god, yes. I know James is completely heterosexual and I'm not insinuating anything ... but there are several moments where he sounds positively homosexual in his inflection.
I think the term you're thinking of is flamboyant.
Nope. Flamboyant is different. Have you heard the bootleg of the gig?
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Regarding Kev's complaint about saying the band member's names after/during solos, I think it comes from jazz band performances. I'm not sure how much influence jazz bands are on to JLB, but I've been to jazz concerts where musicians take a solo, and the conductor would say the soloist's name after their solo, or near the end of it, which would then lead to applause by the audience. Sure, DT aren't a jazz band, but the jammy aspect, as well as their ability to play long (and sometimes extended), virtuoso solos lends itself to being LIKE a jazz band performance.
I have no problem with him calling out their names, AFTER solos. It's during that's the problem. Especially considering that DT's solos tend to often build into something grand, and oftentimes, the best part of the solo is nearing the end, just when he speaks.
Nope. Flamboyant is different. Have you heard the bootleg of the gig?
No. I have no idea which gig you're referring to, so I'm quite certain I haven't heard it.
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I think that calling out the names during the solos is really the only deviation/live moment you will get these days. Gives the performance some life. I think it's cool.
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I think that calling out the names during the solos is really the only deviation/live moment you will get these days. Gives the performance some life. I think it's cool.
But it distracts from the actual solos.
In LSFNY, when he waited until the very end of Through Her Eyes to say, "John Petrucci on Guitar." That's how it should be done.
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As for saying what album a song is from after it has begun...that is a bit annoying, but I guess it's for new fans? I mean, someone who JUST discovered the band an album or two back might not know what song "Caught In A Web" is from, or what even "A Fortune In Lies" is! I think it's for THEIR benefit.
So that's why you introduce a song before the band starts to play it - not 1 minute after! :P
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So that's why you introduce a song before the band starts to play it - not 1 minute after! :P
I always thought they did that so that the drummer knows what to play, since drummers can't read. ;D
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I think that calling out the names during the solos is really the only deviation/live moment you will get these days. Gives the performance some life. I think it's cool.
But it distracts from the actual solos.
In LSFNY, when he waited until the very end of Through Her Eyes to say, "John Petrucci on Guitar." That's how it should be done.
Is there an example of where he does this?
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So that's why you introduce a song before the band starts to play it - not 1 minute after! :P
I always thought they did that so that the drummer knows what to play, since drummers can't read. ;D
This is Sir Walrus Cauliflower's friend replying for him, since he is a drummer. After telling him what your post said, he told me to tell you that drummers are not stupid, and that he is offended by that.
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I think that calling out the names during the solos is really the only deviation/live moment you will get these days. Gives the performance some life. I think it's cool.
But it distracts from the actual solos.
In LSFNY, when he waited until the very end of Through Her Eyes to say, "John Petrucci on Guitar." That's how it should be done.
Is there an example of where he does this?
Umm.. Where he talks OVER the solos? Or where he talks after the song?
He talks over the solo in Hollow Years on Live at Budokan, and he says, "John Petrucci on Guitar" after Through Her Eyes in Live Scenes from New York.
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Ok, now we have a topic going! :lol
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He talks over the solo in Hollow Years on Live at Budokan,
I meant where he talks over the solo. The Hollow Years "Mr. John Petrucci", to me, is perfectly timed. It's at the perfect spot where JP transitions the solo into that last goosebump inducing part and I think it adds to the whole energy of the moment.
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I meant where he talks over the solo. The Hollow Years "Mr. John Petrucci", to me, is perfectly timed. It's at the perfect spot where JP transitions the solo into that last goosebump inducing part and I think it adds to the whole energy of the moment.
I still think it's distracting. You know what, I don't really care if he calls out the soloist's name at the end of the solo itself on a typical basis. Any other solo, fine, if we want to hear it in its purity, we can listen to the album version. But this wasn't a typical solo. This was an extended solo that was only immortalized properly in this one live album. And every time we hear it, we have to hear James call out JP's name in the middle of it. That's what I don't like.
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I meant where he talks over the solo. The Hollow Years "Mr. John Petrucci", to me, is perfectly timed. It's at the perfect spot where JP transitions the solo into that last goosebump inducing part and I think it adds to the whole energy of the moment.
I still think it's distracting. You know what, I don't really care if he calls out the soloist's name at the end of the solo itself on a typical basis. Any other solo, fine, if we want to hear it in its purity, we can listen to the album version. But this wasn't a typical solo. This was an extended solo that was only immortalized properly in this one live album. And every time we hear it, we have to hear James call out JP's name in the middle of it. That's what I don't like.
That's a fair enough sentiment.
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He talks over the solo in Hollow Years on Live at Budokan,
I meant where he talks over the solo. The Hollow Years "Mr. John Petrucci", to me, is perfectly timed. It's at the perfect spot where JP transitions the solo into that last goosebump inducing part and I think it adds to the whole energy of the moment.
I agree. It's not like he starts a conversation during the solo. He says three words, and says them in such a way that is perfectly relevant to what is going on.
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So that's why you introduce a song before the band starts to play it - not 1 minute after! :P
I always thought they did that so that the drummer knows what to play, since drummers can't read. ;D
This is Sir Walrus Cauliflower's friend replying for him, since he is a drummer. After telling him what your post said, he told me to tell you that drummers are not stupid, and that he is offended by that.
LOL! Well played! :tup
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He talks over the solo in Hollow Years on Live at Budokan,
I meant where he talks over the solo. The Hollow Years "Mr. John Petrucci", to me, is perfectly timed. It's at the perfect spot where JP transitions the solo into that last goosebump inducing part and I think it adds to the whole energy of the moment.
I agree. It's not like he starts a conversation during the solo. He says three words, and says them in such a way that is perfectly relevant to what is going on.
Yes, exactly!
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James' talking parts on Luna Park are indeed VERY strange. Score too, but he barely talks in that one.
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Oh god, yes. I know James is completely heterosexual and I'm not insinuating anything ... but there are several moments where he sounds positively homosexual in his inflection.
Sorry but what is homosexual sound? How can someone sound homosexual or heterosexual or you simply intend to say: he sounds feminine a bit?
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Oh god, yes. I know James is completely heterosexual and I'm not insinuating anything ... but there are several moments where he sounds positively homosexual in his inflection.
Sorry but what is homosexual sound? How can someone sound homosexual or heterosexual or you simply intend to say: he sounds feminine a bit?
https://web.archive.org/web/20071101043238/https://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin2/020218c.asp
Sometimes, I can tell that someone is gay by the sound of their voice. However, that's just for some people. Sometimes I find out people are gay later when they speak quite normally.
That said, I don't get that impression from James at all really. He doesn't sound gay to me. Just a bit uncomfortable, and a little awkward.
Now the whole 80s style of high pitched singing is obviously not the most masculine thing either.
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Oh god, yes. I know James is completely heterosexual and I'm not insinuating anything ... but there are several moments where he sounds positively homosexual in his inflection.
Sorry but what is homosexual sound? How can someone sound homosexual or heterosexual or you simply intend to say: he sounds feminine a bit?
https://web.archive.org/web/20071101043238/https://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin2/020218c.asp
This is what I want to say actually. Some can sound feminine, that's all. I believe there is a perplexity while using these terms. Homosexual doesn't mean "being a femine" for men but many use the term of homosexuality as feminine.
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I don't know where people live and what friends they are surrounded by, but living in Boston you know very well the distinctive pattern of intonation that gay people have. It's no different from Valley Talk or Ebonics in that it identifies yourself as part of a certain subculture.
All I'm saying is they James skirts dangerously close to that when he talks to the audience in Boston.
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I don't get the flamboyant (you can't generalize an entire class of people) vibe from James at all.
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Errrr.... I already said it's not flamboyant. wtf. No offense guys, but do you only know gays from TV shows where they are over-the-top flamboyant?
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There's no such thing as a gay way of talking. Flamboyancy is the effeminate gay stereotype and I've never heard of a different "gay" way of taking.
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FWIW I don't want a song introduced before it begins. If I don't know the setlist I don't want my suspense to be ruined by somebody just telling me it's next. That's like some guy next to you shouting it out beforehand, only difference being I can't accidentally punch James in the face. During the start of the song it fills in those who don't know, and serves as a time to cheer for those who do know.
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There's no such thing as a gay way of talking. Flamboyancy is the effeminate gay stereotype and I've never heard of a different "gay" way of taking.
Maybe time to get out more.
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I just thought it was because he is Canadian.
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He talks over the solo in Hollow Years on Live at Budokan,
I meant where he talks over the solo. The Hollow Years "Mr. John Petrucci", to me, is perfectly timed. It's at the perfect spot where JP transitions the solo into that last goosebump inducing part and I think it adds to the whole energy of the moment.
This 100%. When James calls out JP's name during the climax of the solo, JP raises his arm whilst bending notes and the crowd reacts -- a simply splendid moment that makes that track standout.
I don't mind the whole delayed announcement of the song thing either. It just feels like the rock thing to do (and he's always done it).
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I just thought it was because he is Canadian.
Canadian/Gay, it's all the same. Just ask Chad.
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James' talking parts on Luna Park are indeed VERY strange.
Oh come on. Look, James comes out there and talks every night. And it's completely improvisational. He doesn't like to script himself, he just likes to do this...
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I think James has said that he's not very comfortable speaking on stage, so imagine that's where the awkwardness comes from, especially if he knows the show is being filmed for a DVD.
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What I don't understand is how he will sometimes act like he gets bored of using syllables or distinct words.
I don't remember if its an official or unofficial live albums but during The Mirror he says, "Whenineedyou...myoust"
Or from the Milwaukee Summer Fest 20 years ago when he introduces the new song "To Live Fo-weh-ba"
Its one thing to introduce a song and be like, "This next song is called RAGING FUCKING HELL!!!!!!" and growl like a demon from hell....but why just let your jaw go slack and let the sounds come out without moving any muscles? If they did have a song that had that title I'm sure James at some point in his life would introduce it as, "This next song is called Ray-jing....Heeeeeyyyyaaaah"
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I think James is pretty flamboyant in general.
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What I don't understand is how he will sometimes act like he gets bored of using syllables or distinct words.
I don't remember if its an official or unofficial live albums but during The Mirror he says, "Whenineedyou...myoust"
Or from the Milwaukee Summer Fest 20 years ago when he introduces the new song "To Live Fo-weh-ba"
Its one thing to introduce a song and be like, "This next song is called RAGING FUCKING HELL!!!!!!" and growl like a demon from hell....but why just let your jaw go slack and let the sounds come out without moving any muscles? If they did have a song that had that title I'm sure James at some point in his life would introduce it as, "This next song is called Ray-jing....Heeeeeyyyyaaaah"
Yeah this is kind of annoying, i don't know why he does it.
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He talks over the solo in Hollow Years on Live at Budokan,
I meant where he talks over the solo. The Hollow Years "Mr. John Petrucci", to me, is perfectly timed. It's at the perfect spot where JP transitions the solo into that last goosebump inducing part and I think it adds to the whole energy of the moment.
I agree. It's not like he starts a conversation during the solo. He says three words, and says them in such a way that is perfectly relevant to what is going on.
yup.
I think James has said that he's not very comfortable speaking on stage, so imagine that's where the awkwardness comes from, especially if he knows the show is being filmed for a DVD.
yup. In the interviews with Myles Kennedy, they bond a little over that, and the stupid stuff they tend to say ocassionally :lol
James, if you're reading this, you're fine, we're just a bunch of overanalytical assholes :heart
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I think that calling out the names during the solos is really the only deviation/live moment you will get these days. Gives the performance some life. I think it's cool.
But it distracts from the actual solos.
In LSFNY, when he waited until the very end of Through Her Eyes to say, "John Petrucci on Guitar." That's how it should be done.
Is there an example of where he does this?
He did it on Sunday at Sonisphere, near the end of TLG solo. I thought it was quite cool, got everyone throwing their arms up in the air before the last chorus. Nothing wrong with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLF0lfgyLf4&t=3m37s
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I think that calling out the names during the solos is really the only deviation/live moment you will get these days. Gives the performance some life. I think it's cool.
But it distracts from the actual solos.
In LSFNY, when he waited until the very end of Through Her Eyes to say, "John Petrucci on Guitar." That's how it should be done.
Is there an example of where he does this?
He did it on Sunday at Sonisphere, near the end of TLG solo. I thought it was quite cool, got everyone throwing their arms up in the air before the last chorus. Nothing wrong with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLF0lfgyLf4&t=3m37s
Man that's a pretty flat performance.
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James was sick before Score? Is that why he sounded flat on the previous Wallingford gig (the pissed off Mike Portnoy show and the parts of the In Constant Motion solo in which he's wearing a UConn jersey)?
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James, if you're reading this, you're fine, we're just a bunch of overanalytical assholes :heart
As one of those overanalytical assholes, I agree completely.
He is still my favorite member and while I can't fathom while he drops syllables sometimes or does other quirky things, I actually don't want him to change at all.
Don't change, man. Don't change. Without those quirks we probably wouldn't get the other quirky stuff he does...and that would just suck.
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James was sick before Score? Is that why he sounded flat on the previous Wallingford gig (the pissed off Mike Portnoy show and the parts of the In Constant Motion solo in which he's wearing a UConn jersey)?
We have people here who attended that show (if that's the same one), and they can confirm. He also looks very red-nosed on the Score-docu, and apparently the illness got to JP as well, as he's sniffling on Score constantly :laugh:
Don't change, man. Don't change.
a-men
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James was sick before Score? Is that why he sounded flat on the previous Wallingford gig (the pissed off Mike Portnoy show and the parts of the In Constant Motion solo in which he's wearing a UConn jersey)?
Constant Motion was not out at the time of Score. I was at the show 2 days before Radio City but it was my first DT show so I was in la la land.
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James was sick before Score? Is that why he sounded flat on the previous Wallingford gig (the pissed off Mike Portnoy show and the parts of the In Constant Motion solo in which he's wearing a UConn jersey)?
Constant Motion was not out at the time of Score. I was at the show 2 days before Radio City but it was my first DT show so I was in la la land.
I think Grizz is speaking of MP's In Constant Motion video, which features parts of the Wallingford gig.
As for whether James was sick at the time or not, I don't recall. Will have to go back and listen to the bootlegs, but there's nothing in my memory of him being sick - and I'm sure it would've been a concern on my mind if it had been the case, just as I still remember JP's guitar dropping out during part of UaGM at the RCMH gig.
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I remember JLB being sick a week or two before Score, but to his credit, he kept the standard very high.
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I remember MP making a statement about the cancellation of the show before the Score concert. He said James wasn't feeling in top form and with so much riding on the sold out radio city music hall, the filming, and (unknown at the time) the orchestra, they didn't want to risk it. So I don't think it was full blown illness but he was afraid there was an onset of an illness coming.
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I remember MP making a statement about the cancellation of the show before the Score concert. He said James wasn't feeling in top form and with so much riding on the sold out radio city music hall, the filming, and (unknown at the time) the orchestra, they didn't want to risk it. So I don't think it was full blown illness but he was afraid there was an onset of an illness coming.
Hmmm - I did recall that he had been on the verge of coming down with something, so I stand corrected. I just remembered that the cancellation largely being because they just didn't want to push him over the edge. Here's MP's post regarding the cancellation:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=1200908&mpage=1#1200908
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What I don't understand is how he will sometimes act like he gets bored of using syllables or distinct words.
Yeah this is kind of annoying, i don't know why he does it.
It's just a thing that can happen with singing, if you're more focused on reaching or controlling a particular pitch and don't have certain muscles in the right place to pronounce something, like the shape of your lips or the position of your tongue when you're already singing the note, the control of the annunciation can waver in the same way someone might accidentally mumble or slur a sentence. I think it's completely unintentional and can sometimes be a tricky thing to be aware of especially when vowel sounds are generally the predominant sound that vocalists will use to extend a note they're holding.
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What I don't understand is how he will sometimes act like he gets bored of using syllables or distinct words.
Yeah this is kind of annoying, i don't know why he does it.
It's just a thing that can happen with singing, if you're more focused on reaching or controlling a particular pitch and don't have certain muscles in the right place to pronounce something, like the shape of your lips or the position of your tongue when you're already singing the note, the control of the annunciation can waver in the same way someone might accidentally mumble or slur a sentence. I think it's completely unintentional and can sometimes be a tricky thing to be aware of especially when vowel sounds are generally the predominant sound that vocalists will use to extend a note they're holding.
Yes!
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I use his extremely high and weird "Welcome toooo" at the beginning of Score as a joke or remark, that no one ever understands :biggrin: I tend to have that with more of their lines, like "so what the f*ck"...
Love his new 'red' hair btw (not gay, it's not).
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I think that calling out the names during the solos is really the only deviation/live moment you will get these days. Gives the performance some life. I think it's cool.
But it distracts from the actual solos.
In LSFNY, when he waited until the very end of Through Her Eyes to say, "John Petrucci on Guitar." That's how it should be done.
Is there an example of where he does this?
He did it on Sunday at Sonisphere, near the end of TLG solo. I thought it was quite cool, got everyone throwing their arms up in the air before the last chorus. Nothing wrong with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLF0lfgyLf4&t=3m37s
Man that's a pretty flat performance.
Sounded great from where I was standing!
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What I don't understand is how he will sometimes act like he gets bored of using syllables or distinct words.
Yeah this is kind of annoying, i don't know why he does it.
It's just a thing that can happen with singing, if you're more focused on reaching or controlling a particular pitch and don't have certain muscles in the right place to pronounce something, like the shape of your lips or the position of your tongue when you're already singing the note, the control of the annunciation can waver in the same way someone might accidentally mumble or slur a sentence. I think it's completely unintentional and can sometimes be a tricky thing to be aware of especially when vowel sounds are generally the predominant sound that vocalists will use to extend a note they're holding.
I'm not talking about singing though. I totally understand why he sometimes doesn't enunciate while he is singing incredibly challenging and high pitch vocal melodies, I'm talking about his stage banter.
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I always laugh when I hear James speaking at the begining of TDEN from LALP.
Especially on the "...systematic chaos he' we geeeewo" :lol
Its like he's being crushed by a very slow steamroller.
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Love his new 'red' hair btw
WHERE, what
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I remember MP making a statement about the cancellation of the show before the Score concert. He said James wasn't feeling in top form and with so much riding on the sold out radio city music hall, the filming, and (unknown at the time) the orchestra, they didn't want to risk it. So I don't think it was full blown illness but he was afraid there was an onset of an illness coming.
Hmmm - I did recall that he had been on the verge of coming down with something, so I stand corrected. I just remembered that the cancellation largely being because they just didn't want to push him over the edge. Here's MP's post regarding the cancellation:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=1200908&mpage=1#1200908
When they cancelled that show, i became very worried about the Boston show. Seemed everything was riding on the Radio City gig.
And although you cannot tell drom the boot, James loked absolutely terrible in Boston. They all loked tired. MP was VERY cranky. I've told Scotty this before, but the band looked absolutely spent in Boston.
My respect went way up for James that night, especially the way MP seemed to be yelling at him. James even gave hime a "whatever" as he stormed off the stage for a solo.
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Love his new 'red' hair btw
WHERE, what
(https://i.imgur.com/KwaIl0n.jpg)
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I always laugh when I hear James speaking at the begining of TDEN from LALP.
Especially on the "...systematic chaos he' we geeeewo" :lol
Its like he's being crushed by a very slow steamroller.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Perfect description for his odd quirky banter. :lolI remember MP making a statement about the cancellation of the show before the Score concert. He said James wasn't feeling in top form and with so much riding on the sold out radio city music hall, the filming, and (unknown at the time) the orchestra, they didn't want to risk it. So I don't think it was full blown illness but he was afraid there was an onset of an illness coming.
Hmmm - I did recall that he had been on the verge of coming down with something, so I stand corrected. I just remembered that the cancellation largely being because they just didn't want to push him over the edge. Here's MP's post regarding the cancellation:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=1200908&mpage=1#1200908
When they cancelled that show, i became very worried about the Boston show. Seemed everything was riding on the Radio City gig.
And although you cannot tell drom the boot, James loked absolutely terrible in Boston. They all loked tired. MP was VERY cranky. I've told Scotty this before, but the band looked absolutely spent in Boston.
My respect went way up for James that night, especially the way MP seemed to be yelling at him. James even gave hime a "whatever" as he stormed off the stage for a solo.
Gonna try to find this. If anybody has any links they can share from this night, please do.
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I always laugh when I hear James speaking at the begining of TDEN from LALP.
Especially on the "...systematic chaos he' we geeeewo" :lol
Its like he's being crushed by a very slow steamroller.
Speaking of that, I love the way he says "Systematic Chaos" in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGTtI56fy3Y) :D
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Love his new 'red' hair btw
WHERE, what
(https://i.imgur.com/KwaIl0n.jpg)
I LOVE
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I always laugh when I hear James speaking at the begining of TDEN from LALP.
Especially on the "...systematic chaos he' we geeeewo" :lol
Its like he's being crushed by a very slow steamroller.
:rollin :rollin
Or a forklift
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Love his new 'red' hair btw
WHERE, what
(https://i.imgur.com/KwaIl0n.jpg)
I LOVE
(https://i.imgur.com/B3HrnT9.png)
Hahah got a nice frame there
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I wish he still had the shorter hair he did in TSCO documentary. Same goes for Mike Mangini. It doesn't really bother me though, I just thought it looked better. :lol
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I wish he still had the shorter hair he did in TSCO documentary. Same goes for Mike Mangini. It doesn't really bother me though, I just thought it looked better. :lol
You're crazy, man, on LaBrie, that hair looked absolutely horrendously awful.
Mike's style on TSCO doc was great though, I wouldn't mind if he went back to that. But I like the way it is now as well, so I don't mind either way. But JLB's short hair looked terrible. Worse than 5YIALT.
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I wish he still had the shorter hair he did in TSCO documentary. Same goes for Mike Mangini. It doesn't really bother me though, I just thought it looked better. :lol
You're crazy, man, on LaBrie, that hair looked absolutely horrendously awful.
Mike's style on TSCO doc was great though, I wouldn't mind if he went back to that. But I like the way it is now as well, so I don't mind either way. But JLB's short hair looked terrible. Worse than 5YIALT.
Oh well, at least it's not Claudio Sanchez's hair. :lol
Apparently quite a few people liked MM's old hair style, though. (I have this saved)
Because there is as much interest in this than in drumming, here is a bit about drummer's hair: Most of us don't like it in our faces. Longer hair has more weight and stays off the face better than medium length in general. Short hair doesn't do anything fun or wild to match rock/metal music. I do not know any drummers that have hair extensions, including me. My hair grows wickedly fast. Bushier, or wavier hair finds a home in my mouth every 3 seconds. People guess correctly that long haired drummers are not airline pilots, state senators, or professional baseball players. Most of us don't wear hats on stage out of respect for a professional environment, unless the situation is casual. Hair style changes makes for great gossip, babbling and often trumps more important internet news, like good deeds, awesome chicken recipes, or the release of new music.
Anyways, relative to the thread, I couldn't understand anything James said in KC this year (aside from the hump day quote). I don't know if it was the way he talks, the volume of the show, or both, but most of it was indistinguishable. Everybody pretty much just yelled or clapped at whatever he said I think.
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I do wonder what style MM is going with next. The one during ADToE's tour was pretty good. The straightened hair seems to be disliked (not majorly, but still). Perhaps short hair is coming up?
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Love his new 'red' hair btw
WHERE, what
You must be slipping!
Funny statement from MM about his hair. Just the other day I was thinking it looked like hair extensions, but then I remember that it's been quite a while he's been in the band now, and straightened hair can look a lot longer than it seems when curly.
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Anyways, relative to the thread, I couldn't understand anything James said in KC this year (aside from the hump day quote). I don't know if it was the way he talks, the volume of the show, or both, but most of it was indistinguishable. Everybody pretty much just yelled or clapped at whatever he said I think.
Yup, same goes for the show I saw.
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I seem to have started an offtopic conversation about hair, sorry :biggrin:
Don't think it's interesting enough to open a topic about it, although people seem to have their opinions.
Anyway, I hope I can make out James' words this time at the concert (DT Wednesday in Tilburg) : p
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I always felt like he was just flipping the rock star switch to 'on'.
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Quote from: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on July 13, 2014, 08:11:47 PM
Anyways, relative to the thread, I couldn't understand anything James said in KC this year (aside from the hump day quote). I don't know if it was the way he talks, the volume of the show, or both, but most of it was indistinguishable. Everybody pretty much just yelled or clapped at whatever he said I think.
Yup, same goes for the show I saw.
I was at KC and sound was less then desirable. Started out ok but then they pushed it and things got distorted and muddled. I did notice that they did not have as many speakers as other shows so maybe they were trying to compensate.
My ears are still ringing :yarr
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(https://i.imgur.com/B3HrnT9.png)
Hahah got a nice frame there
Makes a good avatar
(https://i.imgur.com/pVfAzLw.png)
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Makes a good avatar
(https://i.imgur.com/pVfAzLw.png)
Hahaha thanks, I'll take it :lol
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:lol
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I always laugh when I hear James speaking at the begining of TDEN from LALP.
Especially on the "...systematic chaos he' we geeeewo" :lol
Its like he's being crushed by a very slow steamroller.
This post should be getting some love. I think he did the same or similar thing at Boston, too (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/pics/cheese.gif)
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Quote from: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on July 13, 2014, 08:11:47 PM
Anyways, relative to the thread, I couldn't understand anything James said in KC this year (aside from the hump day quote). I don't know if it was the way he talks, the volume of the show, or both, but most of it was indistinguishable. Everybody pretty much just yelled or clapped at whatever he said I think.
Yup, same goes for the show I saw.
I was at KC and sound was less then desirable. Started out ok but then they pushed it and things got distorted and muddled. I did notice that they did not have as many speakers as other shows so maybe they were trying to compensate.
My ears are still ringing :yarr
Haha, you and me both. I saw the Chicago and KC shows both in the span of five days and the difference was massive. The Chicago show was perfect volume, making it arguably my 2nd most enjoyable DT show to date, while the KC show was ear-splittingly loud, making it far less enjoyable. Even up in the balcony, where two of us moved up to early on, it was deafening.
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I really thought the sound got better throughout the night. I couldn't even hear James (like at all) during some parts of TSF, but the last half of the show was much clearer I thought. Maybe it was where I was sitting, or the songs they played. It was too loud though. I went to eat downtown after the show and I couldn't even hear myself ordering. I wonder if it is because of having fewer speakers like Badger said, or if it's because the venue is just small. Either way it was odd seeing a DT show in a theater with statues of naked guys, and painted like a Mexican restaurant. :lol
My first DT show though, so I still loved it.
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I always laugh when I hear James speaking at the begining of TDEN from LALP.
Especially on the "...systematic chaos he' we geeeewo" :lol
Its like he's being crushed by a very slow steamroller.
:rollin :rollin
Or a forklift
I do enjoy the bit where he says "are you WEETH us!?"
Special mention also goes to how he sings the word "envious" in TROAE
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My brother and I constantly mock the way he speaks on the different live albums especially Score :rollin it's really funny.
"And as we shuffle through this treazhaaa........... We've been pulling out some pretty obscure ssoowngs."
Sometimes if I have to read something out loud, I will just do the whole thing speaking Score-style because of how goofishly epic it sounds. Not that other live albums are excluded! -it's just Score is more in touch with it's epicness.
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Makes a good avatar
(https://i.imgur.com/pVfAzLw.png)
Hahaha thanks, I'll take it :lol
For like five days. :P
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Makes a good avatar
(https://i.imgur.com/pVfAzLw.png)
Hahaha thanks, I'll take it :lol
For like five days. :P
Shhhh :>
It just didn't feel right to be James with sunglasses
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https://youtu.be/MiW2GYfSwqw?t=20m53s
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https://youtu.be/MiW2GYfSwqw?t=20m53s
:lol
"ON THE BAKKS, of angelz??"
With these things it just seems like he's bored with a normal way of saying it. I recognize that of myself ^^'
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I always laugh when I hear James speaking at the begining of TDEN from LALP.
Especially on the "...systematic chaos he' we geeeewo" :lol
Its like he's being crushed by a very slow steamroller.
This post should be getting some love. I think he did the same or similar thing at Boston, too (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/pics/cheese.gif)
Omg :rollin :rollin
Seriously a legendary part of the LALP show.
I also remember him saying something like... "we are shooting a live DVD!". It just kinda sounded funny to me because "DVD" just sounds a little outdated. It's all about the blu ray.
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https://youtu.be/MiW2GYfSwqw?t=20m53s
:lol
"ON THE BAKKS, of angelz??"
With these things it just seems like he's bored with a normal way of saying it. I recognize that of myself ^^'
I just love the way he pronounces song titles. A few hilarious examples:
"Underaglasss... Mawnnahh" - 1993
"This one is: CAH! IN! A! UUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBB" - 1994
"This one is from Six Degrees Of Inner Tahrbew...LLens" - 2002
"PAW! ME! UN! DAH!" 1993-2014
"I'm gonna tell you a (low voice) *Lie*" - 2014
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I also remember him saying something like... "we are shooting a live DVD!". It just kinda sounded funny to me because "DVD" just sounds a little outdated. It's all about the blu ray.
Why? I can't think of a recent live release I have where the band have announced during the show that they are shooting a live BluRay. They always say "DVD." That is still pretty much the standard.
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I also enjoy when he is possessed by a demon at the beginning of Panic Attack on Gigantour
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdzcg3_dream-theater-panic-attack-live_music
This one's called, Panic ATTACK
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Or the way he introduced the same song on CIM: "Pehnak Attaak!"
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I also remember him saying something like... "we are shooting a live DVD!". It just kinda sounded funny to me because "DVD" just sounds a little outdated. It's all about the blu ray.
Why? I can't think of a recent live release I have where the band have announced during the show that they are shooting a live BluRay. They always say "DVD." That is still pretty much the standard.
Hmm fair enough.
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Regarding the OP's topic, I still have no idea what language he's speaking on Score.
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Regarding the OP's topic, I still have no idea what language he's speaking on Score.
My guess would be Canadian.
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Regarding the OP's topic, I still have no idea what language he's speaking on Score.
My guess would be Canadian.
You've been talking to Chad too much.
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Regarding the OP's topic, I still have no idea what language he's speaking on Score.
My guess would be Canadian.
You've been talking to Chad too much.
I don't know what you're talking aboot, eh?
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Shut up you hoser.
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backbacon!
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I also remember him saying something like... "we are shooting a live DVD!". It just kinda sounded funny to me because "DVD" just sounds a little outdated. It's all about the blu ray.
Why? I can't think of a recent live release I have where the band have announced during the show that they are shooting a live BluRay. They always say "DVD." That is still pretty much the standard.
Hmm fair enough.
Maybe it might just be better to say that they're "shooting a live video" or that they're "filming the show". ;)
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Filming is even more outdated. There was no film stock as far as I could tell.
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Semantics shmantics.
I just can't wait for it to get released.
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One thing I always thought about James' speech is that he mentions that they're going to be on stage for 2 hours and 40 minutes. As I understand it, the DVD was filmed over two nights to fill that time slot, so wouldn't that have left the crowd a little confused when their set was considerably shorter? ;D
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I just can't wait for it to get released.
Same. I'm definitely pre-ordering it (assuming it ever gets released :lol)
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Damn WMG bastards, pursuing the copyright infringement I committed in uploading the Illumination Theory preview...
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One thing I always thought about James' speech is that he mentions that they're going to be on stage for 2 hours and 40 minutes. As I understand it, the DVD was filmed over two nights to fill that time slot, so wouldn't that have left the crowd a little confused when their set was considerably shorter? ;D
It was recorded only on one night in Boston. and it was that long.
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All the sets are the same anyway, so you must be referring to LaLP, in which case the secondary night was bonus tracks* and not included as part of the main production* and I don't even know if James said that there.
*Except for the shitty editing in which clips from the secondary show were used unnecessarily to fill gaps
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I was talking about LALP, sorry.
Was the original night an Evening With, then? When I saw them on the 2012 tour their set was just over 2 hours?
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All the legs but the last leg of ADTOE they were 2:00 shows.
The South American leg of the 2012 tour was 2:40 minute shows and they didn't have intermission. (so LALP has 2:40 PLUS 6 extra songs, so total like 3:10 maybe)
The next year they make 2:45 minute shows plus a 15 minute intermission, and call it a 3-hour Evening With show :lol