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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Mebert78 on May 30, 2014, 08:15:18 AM
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There is no FNM thread already?! I'm shocked. Anyway, people are saying a new album might be in the works!
Link: https://www.revolvermag.com/news/are-faith-no-more-writing-new-music.html
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Interesting to see where it goes, but it will probably be a while away.
Great band. King For A Day is my fav, phenominal album.
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A new album would be amazing. I love the band, and I love Patton. I really like all the Patton albums, but I would say Angel Dust is the best one. The Real Thing and King For a Day not far behind, and while Album of the Year is not quite as good as the others, I still really like it. I would love a new album.
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I love this band,Angel Dust was a grower for me and so was The Real Thing. Now I love both of those albums. For some reason can't get into their other albums. But I'd love a new album!
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I'd like a new Faith no more album. They performed a new song when I saw them two years ago and it was a pretty sick tune. :metal
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I've heard a few Faith No More songs that I really like, but the only thing I love from Patton is his work in Tomahawk; absolutely addicted to every album. But this would be awesome as it'd be a great point to jump into the mix, catch up on all the stuff I missed.
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A new Faith No More album would be amazing! I just finished reading a biography about Faith No More and Mr. Bungle so I've been revisiting all those albums lately. Angel Dust is still the greatest, by far, but I also really love The Real Thing and King for a Day. Introduce Yourself is also quite good but I wish it could have been re-recorded with Patton singing. All of the Mr. Bungle albums are really interesting but the self-titled one has always been my favorite.
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I liked the Fantomas Directors Cut album but Delerium Cordia was just wtf ?! an album of sounds...
I didn't bother with Suspended Animation. Tomahwak was ok though.
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I like both Fantomas and Tomahawk, but neither are in the league of Mr. Bungle and Faith No More IMO.
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Also :
Fan TOM as
TOM ahawk
Peeping TOM.
Is this just coincidence ?
( inb4 - FaiTh nO More )
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Album of the Year is GROSSLY under-rated, and is probably my second favorite FNM album behind Angel Dust.
Never could get into King for a Day, and I feel like I'm the only one. I really love Ricochet and Digging a Grave...but I just couldn't get into any of the rest of it. Big disappointment for me.
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I'm familiar with Mike Patton through his Ipecac Records label which signed bands like The Melvins and Isis (as evident by my avatar, I'm a HUGE Isis fan) at some point, but not so much his music itself. I've been looking into getting more into some of his music through FNM cause I've heard great things about it, so which FNM album's good for starters do you think?
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I'm familiar with Mike Patton through his Ipecac Records label which signed bands like The Melvins and Isis (as evident by my avatar, I'm a HUGE Isis fan) at some point, but not so much his music itself. I've been looking into getting more into some of his music through FNM cause I've heard great things about it, so which FNM album's good for starters do you think?
Even though Angel Dust is considered almost universally to be the best album, I would actually say that The Real Thing is the better "starter" album. It's really fantastic, and just a bit more accessible. If you like more experimental stuff...Angel Dust is FNM at their peak.
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I'm familiar with Mike Patton through his Ipecac Records label which signed bands like The Melvins and Isis (as evident by my avatar, I'm a HUGE Isis fan) at some point, but not so much his music itself. I've been looking into getting more into some of his music through FNM cause I've heard great things about it, so which FNM album's good for starters do you think?
Even though Angel Dust is considered almost universally to be the best album, I would actually say that The Real Thing is the better "starter" album. It's really fantastic, and just a bit more accessible. If you like more experimental stuff...Angel Dust is FNM at their peak.
Agreed..........The Real Thing is the only album of theirs that I play with any sort of regularity. The rest...........just the odd song here and there. I'm not a huge fan obviously but I think The Real thing is a good mix of accesssible and "out there."
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After over 20 years of its release, Angel Dust is STILL one of my all-time fav albums
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I'm familiar with Mike Patton through his Ipecac Records label which signed bands like The Melvins and Isis (as evident by my avatar, I'm a HUGE Isis fan) at some point, but not so much his music itself. I've been looking into getting more into some of his music through FNM cause I've heard great things about it, so which FNM album's good for starters do you think?
Even though Angel Dust is considered almost universally to be the best album, I would actually say that The Real Thing is the better "starter" album. It's really fantastic, and just a bit more accessible. If you like more experimental stuff...Angel Dust is FNM at their peak.
Agreed..........The Real Thing is the only album of theirs that I play with any sort of regularity. The rest...........just the odd song here and there. I'm not a huge fan obviously but I think The Real thing is a good mix of accesssible and "out there."
I do love their first three albums but then they started to get too "out there". Patton gets all this praise but I get the feeling he needs to be reined in by a good producer to really reach his full potential. In a live setting, he just sucks sometimes. He can't or refuses to even sing his own melodies he has written and will just squeal and jump around the stage. Then, ever the arrogant human being, openly talks shit about other bands. I saw an interview with him at some festival and Wolfmother's set started and he started talking shit about them. He said, "Just listen to this, what fucking decade are we in? This is terrible." I love FNM music BUT I will never see them in concert unless it is a short drive and cheap tickets.
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Faith No More became significantly less interesting to me after Jim Martin left. Patton's nasal singing aside, The Real Thing is excellent and Angel Dust is an immense album, but after that it all went a bit mediocre.
There's a couple of songs I like on King For A Day and Album Of The Year, but I feel that both albums are sorely missing the metal edge Jim Martin brought to the band.
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New album in April 2015!
Link: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/faith-no-more-to-release-first-album-in-18-years-plot-u-s-tour-20140902
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I'll admit, I'm shocked. I didn't think this would actually happen.
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:jawdrop:
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I know they teased it before, and I was actually just waiting for the announcement to come, but I'll admit that I feel more at ease now, and it's awesome to have it confirmed. One of my most anticipated albums of 2015 for sure. :hat
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This better be good, because after 18 years I have high expectations :metal
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I'm trying not to expect anything, to avoid getting my hopes up, but that's gonna be hard, because I love Faith No More so much.
"Happy birthday, fucker!!!" :metal
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Bring it on.
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Joy!
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YES!
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I'm surprised that song "Motherfucker" is going to be the first single. It's hard to tell from the YouTube quality how good the song actually is, but I feel like they can do better choosing a single. And I've never seen a single that's a curse word before! :o
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I'm surprised that song "Motherfucker" is going to be the first single. It's hard to tell from the YouTube quality how good the song actually is, but I feel like they can do better choosing a single. And I've never seen a single that's a curse word before! :o
Had the pleasure of seeing it live at Hyde Park. It really is that good. A better choice than the other new song they played that day (Leader of Men) in my opinion. Although both songs make me VERY excited for this album.
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Artwork for new single: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/faith-no-more-motherfker-single-artwork-unveiled/
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Discovering Faith No More and listening to their whole catalogue was an amazing thing. Definitely in my top 10 favorite bands. Angel Dust is my favorite album, followed by King for a Day. Mike Patton is so unique, it's not even. I also got into Mr. Bungle, Fantomas, and Peeping Tom too. Anything he does is perfect. I am looking forward to the new album and is happy to be a fan at this point in time.
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Video of FNM's performance over the weekend at a record store in San Francisco: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/faith-no-more-plays-surprise-set-at-amoeba-records-in-san-francisco-video/
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Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-faith-no-more-vocalist-chuck-mosley-falls-on-hard-financial-times-asks-fans-for-donations/
Former FAITH NO MORE Vocalist CHUCK MOSLEY Falls On Hard Financial Times, Asks Fans For Donations
Former FAITH NO MORE singer Chuck Mosley has fallen on hard financial times and is asking for help from his fans so that he and his family can avoid being evicted from the house they have lived in for the past decade.
In a December 3 post on his Facebook page, Mosley writes: "Hey friends and other peoples, I am really dreading this. I have fought myself over this for more than a couple months. I seem to have no other choice than to lose my pride due to the lacking ability to provide a sense of security for my family.
"The shocking truth is that i'm not rich. We struggle every day, just like most everybody, more, right now, worse than ever, in a long time.
"Our landlord wants to sell the house we've lived in for ten years, and yes, we are behind in our rent, so he's using that as leverage to get us out so he can fix up and sell, right away, Technically, we're supposed to be out today, December 3rd, but he's deciding whether to give us another week. So here I am, for my family, on my knees, asking for help.
"I'm ashamed for being in this condition, that I have to burden others who look to me only to be my friend, and for me to be theirs, and I am abusing that relationship, and I apologize, but for my family I'll do anything... legal. And that's the reality.
"I could go into a dissertation about how and why, but the bottom line is we are broker than we've been in a good good long time, and can't bail out, so here I am asking that anybody who could afford to send a few dollars to my/our PayPal account (chuck@mosleyvua.com) and for any substantial donations, we will offer up my better half's portrait of my dog, Fredo, and me, real scarface meets... me. She's an awesome artist, her name is Pip Logan, and there's a few more pieces of her work she's willing to part with for a few of the more generous donations. Just throwing that out there.
"Our band, VUA, has had to put off trying to tour or play any shows. We're starting to record new stuff, but even that is suffering at the hands of my family's financial situation, so, please, if you can, help. We will be eternally greatful and I will be eternally self loathing for having to be at this level.
"I'm sorry for asking. If i could do anything for you, please ask, and I swear I will do everything in my power to serve you, any way I can."
A few hours later, Mosley took to his Facebook page again to thank his fans for the response he received to his plea for help. He wrote: "We are overwhelmed by your support. I hate asking for help.
"We put the digital downloads of our albums 'Will Rap Over Hard Rock For Food' and 'Demosforsale' for 1$/donation at chuckmosley.bandcamp.com and we will be adding a few signed vinyl and CD copies soon. Big thanks to Matt Gladyszewski for taking extra photos for the demo release and to Cristian Saldías Sepúlveda for the graphic design help."
Mosley released his first solo album, "Will Rap Over Hard Rock For Food", in August 2009 via the Cleveland-based label Reversed Image Unlimited. The CD featured guest appearances from John 5 (ROB ZOMBIE, MARILYN MANSON), Roddy Bottum (FAITH NO MORE, IMPERIAL TEEN) and Michael Cartellone (LYNYRD SKYNYRD). KORN frontman Jonathan Davis, who attributes Mosley as a massive influence, also made an appearance on the single "The Enabler".
With Mosley at the helm, FAITH NO MORE became one of the '80s' leading underground bands on the strength of 1985's "We Care a Lot" and 1987's "Introduce Yourself". Despite exiting the group in 1988 under less-than-friendly circumstances, the Ohio-based Mosley is now friendly with most of his former FNM bandmates and has even joined them on stage in recent years.
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Another new song debut at last night's show. Here's fan footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZLTlk5tvE44
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You can listen to the studio version of Superhero here: https://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/faith-no-more-shares-new-single-superhero/
I'm not very excited about Cone Of Shame, I hope the studio version will improve the song a bit. Superhero and Matador are way better than the other two in my opinion
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Superhero sounds pretty good.........and I haven't really been much into them since the days of The Real Thing and Angel Dust.
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Superhero is killer! :metal
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Love "Superhero." It sounds like vintage FNM to me. Not sure what I think of the album cover, which has the same black and white feel as "Album of the Year." I like the more colorful covers from The Real Thing, Angel Dust and King For a Day.
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Superhero is what I was expecting from this album. Looking forward to it now.
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I love Superhero too. It's a really intense, dynamic song and it makes me so optimistic about the new album. Hurry the hell up, May 19th!
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Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/faith-no-more-keyboardist-explains-original-guitarist-jim-martins-absence-from-reunion/
FAITH NO MORE Keyboardist Explains Original Guitarist JIM MARTIN's Absence From Reunion
According to The Pulse Of Radio, keyboardist Roddy Bottum was asked in a recent interview with Noisey if original guitarist Jim Martin, who left the band in 1993, was asked to participate in the current reunion which started in 2009. Bottum answered, "Oh, we totally reached out to him. I was of the mind that, of course, we would not do this without Jim. There's no way. I think we all felt pretty strongly about that initially — well, some of us maybe more strongly than others. Jim was a real contentious person in the band, but I loved him… I wanted him to do it, and I actually talked to him about it. I thought it was going that way, but it just didn't work out."
Bottum was also asked if Martin had interest in returning. He replied, "I think he had interest. But I think he also had really pent-up resentments about the way we broke up. I think it was difficult for him to come back into the fold, and he set it up in such a way that… I think, unconsciously, he was gonna cut off his nose to spite his face. Like he was so damaged from resentment that he dug a hole and didn't come out of it. Which is a shame. That's my take."
Martin departed after completing the touring cycle for the band's fourth album, "Angel Dust". He was followed by a short succession of guitarists, including Trey Spruance, Dean Menta and Jon Hudson, who was the band's last axeman when it broke up in 1998.
Hudson was also in the lineup for the current reunion and plays on the band's upcoming album, "Sol Invictus."
The disc, the group's first collection of new music in 18 years, is set to arrive on May 19 through the band's Reclamation Recordings.
FAITH NO MORE has also confirmed its first North American shows since 2010 with a spring outing kicking off April 15 in Vancouver.
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This morning I listened to a low-quality version of Sol Invictus. Maybe it's still the worst FNM album with Patton but it's difficult to a comparison now and I really loved AD and KFAD. I think it's an original experimental rock album, better than Tomahawk's Oddfellows and other Patton recents works I didn't like much. In my opinion Superhero and Matador are the best songs of the album along with Rise Of The Fall and Separation Anxiety from the other 6 new songs I listened today
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The new album is the worst FNM with Patton? That stinks. The band members seemed really psyched about the new material.
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Faith No More and Mr.Bungle opened my mind to a new kind of music when I was fifteen/seventeen and KFAD is the first album ever I decided to buy, so it's difficult for me to do an objective comparison. However I enjoyed the album, it's certainly a great add to their discography and maybe it could top AOTY and The Real Thing in my list ;)
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Even though I was hoping to wait until May 19th, tonight I couldn't resist listening to one of the songs from the new album. Rise of the Fall is an absolutely killer song, and going by that track, Superhero, and From the Dead (which I heard at the Portland show and instantly loved) alone, I already love Sol Invictus much, much more than Album of the Year. :metal
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This album it's growing on me. At first listens I thought it was too short, with too many short nice songs and only two or three really great tracks. Now the only song I wish was more developed is Sol Invictus, which is however one of my favourites.
Yes, Rise of The Fall it's great, I thought instantly to Mr Bungle when I heard it! And all the other tracks are inspired, unusual and catchy, the band was right when they said they wrote something that you can't listen from other bands at the moment, but their best albums have a lot of awesome songs.
Overall it's really enjoyable to listen to and I agree with you that it's more interesting than AOTY. They said they have written 25 songs, so we can hope to listen to another album in the future :)
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Friday's concert in Detroit to be streamed online. I'll have to check that out since the NY tickets sold out in like five minutes and StubHub users are asking an arm and a leg.
Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/faith-no-mores-detroit-concert-to-be-streamed-on-yahoo/
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The sound quality of what I've heard is horrific, I can only assume when I buy the real thing (no pun intended) that it will be way better as this is borferline unlistenable.
I don't hate the CD, as I said I will be buying it. But it's certainly not near the quality of tRT, AD, KfaDFfaL. Wasn't a huge fan of Album of the Year. Love Mother Fucker but it should have been longer.
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None of the reviews I've read have mentioned anything about poor sound quality, so I assume you heard a crappy upload like the ones that were on Youtube for a couple days. NPR will be streaming the full album tomorrow so we can all finally hear for ourselves! I am so excited!!!
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The leak (which I haven't heard) was in 192kbps mp3 so I wouldn't read too much into that. Load that onto Youtube and it's not going to sound too good I imagine.
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Yeah, the webrip version sounds awful (sound quality-wise) but i really liked most of the songs. Superhero, Sunny, Separation Anxiety, Cone of Shame and matador are my favorites as of now.
And i´m not gonna compre to the rest of their discography which i have been listening to for at least 18 years.
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I know the album has leaked already, but you can stream it in full over at the NPR (LOL) - https://www.npr.org/2015/05/10/404672919/first-listen-faith-no-more-sol-invictus.
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Listening to the stream now. Only two songs in, but the whole album is 39:30? :-\
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Wish I could listen to the stream here at work. Will be able to buy The Real Thing soon anyway. I think Black Friday is my favorite along with Motherfucker. I may try the Bungle CDs again, I didn't like them too much when they first came out. I'm on a DT hiatus until the new CD so I need to find something different to listen to. Before DT12 I spent a lot of time with Tales From Topographic Oceans and wonder now why I didn't used to like it more. As about 25% of what I listen to is DT I have a BIG gap while I wait.
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Friday's concert in Detroit to be streamed online. I'll have to check that out since the NY tickets sold out in like five minutes and StubHub users are asking an arm and a leg.
Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/faith-no-mores-detroit-concert-to-be-streamed-on-yahoo/
Pro Shot on youtube here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIv2-3nY1M#t=12
I assume this will end up as an official release, I hope so. Two tracks in, good quality.
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My first listen did not grab me as much as I had hoped. It felt a little short and as if if needed another heavy song or two. But that's just one listen. I could feel differently once I get to really sink my teeth into the album.
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My first listen did not grab me as much as I had hoped. It felt a little short and as if if needed another heavy song or two. But that's just one listen. I could feel differently once I get to really sink my teeth into the album.
If you're hoping for something as good as their classic years, it probably won't grab you. It's not as good as them. It's a solid, decent CD though. I'm waiting to hear something to indicate the sound quality is good. I'm not a complainer about sound usually but the leak was brutal, I'll be buying the CD as soon as I know it sounds OK. I won't buy it if it sounds like the leak. I do like the second half of the CD more than the first half, I think it gets stronger as it goes but it's still just a decent CD.
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I've listened to it three times now, and I couldn't be happier with it! Rise of the Fall, Matador, Separation Anxiety, From the Dead, and Superhero are the standout tracks in my opinion. There are a lot of subtle effects lurking in the background, so I highly recommend listening with headphones at least once.
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Listening now, thankfully the sound quality is better so I will buy it. Wouldn't have if it were the unlistenable crap I downloaded.
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OK, I'll admit I like this a lot now. Not too excited about the first three (although Superhero is fairly good) but from Separation Anxiety on, it's cool. Dark, brooding, original, basically Faith No More. I do wish it was longer but quality over quantity I guess.
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Heard Superhero on the radio the other day, and then just saw a live performance of it on the Tonight Show. It's kinda cool. The back and forth vocals remind me of Mr. Bungle a lot, but the song seems to go nowhere.
Judging by some of your guys reviews I feel I should pick this up.
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I didn't know they were performing on Fallon. Did they even mention that on Facebook or anything? Nice performance.
Also, is that teardrop tattoo on Patton's face? I don't recall seeing that in any of the live clips I've watched recently.
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I didn't know they were performing on Fallon. Did they even mention that on Facebook or anything? Nice performance.
Also, is that teardrop tattoo on Patton's face? I don't recall seeing that in any of the live clips I've watched recently.
I just chanced upon it. Yeah, I wondered if that was just done with a marker or something.
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Just read these stories about how FNM tried to rekindle with Jim Martin for the reunion, but it didn't work out:
Link 1: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/billy-gould-on-jim-martins-absence-from-faith-no-more-reunion-it-just-didnt-feel-right/
Link 2: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-faith-no-more-guitarist-jim-martin-answers-fan-submitted-questions/
It's a shame this didn't work out. John Hudson doesn't really stand out much, musically or on stage. It almost feels like he's a hired gun or something. Listening back to The Real Thing and Angel Dust this week, Martin's contributions were so special. He added a different dynamic to the band. He added a metal edge.
It sounds like the FNM guys tried to get everyone on board for the reunion over the phone or something, instead of properly getting together face to face and communicating and putting the past behind them. Jim, who was fired by fax back in the early 1990s, is probably right to have had some concerns in the back of his head -- which probably led him to draft some sort of contract to cover his ass this time. it's a shame that they all couldn't have sat down and hammered things out properly.
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He could be a real loose canon at times. I was at the Seattle show of the Angel Dust tour. I'm not sure what set Jim off, but at one point he threw down his guitar and walked off stage for a good 10 minutes or so. The band had to improvise until someone finally convinced him to come back and finish out the set.
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Didn't Martin show up to the San Fran show once the band re-united though? I agree with Mebert, I wish they would have just met in person and hashed things out. Oh well, it's better to have the current FNM than no FNM at all, right?
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This album is amazing. In a time when most re-union albums are mediocre and lackluster, this one really delivers.
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I'm really shocked by the overwhelming positive reviews this album is getting. I have listened to it about a dozen times so far, and it's done nothing for me. And I'm a huge FNM fan that owned everything they did back in the 1990s -- including singles, live bootlegs, remixes, etc. I know what to expect from a FNM album. Anyway, I know I'm in the minority, so I'll keep listening and hope my stance changes. I'm glad most people seem to be loving it.
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I still have to get a copy, dammit.
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So, apparently FNM had 25 songs in the works and only used 10 of them for the new album? That's what Roddy said in the final question of the following interview. (Link: https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2015/05/06/faith-no-mores-roddy-bottum-on-the-new-record-and-not-sucking.html)
That's odd, to me. The album has grown on me a hair, but my biggest issue is still the short running time.
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They might simply be following a fairly new trend of "less is more". With some prog-rock albums being an exception, there are very few albums that have the capablitity of commanding your attention for a full hour. Riverside's more recent releases (esp ADHD) were intentionally geared toward the old school mentallity of having albums under 45 min. More albums are coming out that would comfortably fit on a single vinyl release.
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Yeah, no offense but I have no sympathy when somebody's primary issue with an album is quantity vs. quality. I'd rather be entertained completely for 40 minutes than listening to an 80-minute album packed with filler. Maybe they didn't like the rest of the material enough to want to release it, or they didn't think it fit the vibe of this particular album?
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I don't mind a 40 minute CD, sometimes that's nice as opposed to an 80 minute beast. It's just a little frustrating knowing they had a lot more material, in the digital age I'd really like it all and I could delete stuff I don't like.
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I'd rather be entertained completely for 40 minutes than listening to an 80-minute album packed with filler.
:tup
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I'll probably pick this album up tomorrow.
I'd rather be entertained completely for 40 minutes than listening to an 80-minute album packed with filler.
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Yes, definitely.
So, apparently FNM had 25 songs in the works and only used 10 of them for the new album? That's what Roddy said in the final question of the following interview. (Link: https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2015/05/06/faith-no-mores-roddy-bottum-on-the-new-record-and-not-sucking.html)
That's odd, to me. The album has grown on me a hair, but my biggest issue is still the short running time.
The other 15 songs may have been shit.
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I'm really shocked by the overwhelming positive reviews this album is getting. I have listened to it about a dozen times so far, and it's done nothing for me. And I'm a huge FNM fan that owned everything they did back in the 1990s -- including singles, live bootlegs, remixes, etc. I know what to expect from a FNM album. Anyway, I know I'm in the minority, so I'll keep listening and hope my stance changes. I'm glad most people seem to be loving it.
I don't like it as much as The Real Thing, Angel Dust or King for a Day. I like it more than Album of the Year (and the non Patton albums don't count). So I like it but it's 4th out of the 5 Patton FNM CDs for me.
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I don't mind a 40 minute CD, sometimes that's nice as opposed to an 80 minute beast. It's just a little frustrating knowing they had a lot more material, in the digital age I'd really like it all and I could delete stuff I don't like.
But "digital age" or not, a band is not going to release a bunch of material they think is shit just so you can decide whether it belongs on your iPod or not.
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I don't mind a 40 minute CD, sometimes that's nice as opposed to an 80 minute beast. It's just a little frustrating knowing they had a lot more material, in the digital age I'd really like it all and I could delete stuff I don't like.
But "digital age" or not, a band is not going to release a bunch of material they think is shit just so you can decide whether it belongs on your iPod or not.
I'm assuming it's not bad stuff but doesn't fit the album style, they wanted a short CD, etc. Obviously if they think it's bad they would trash it but I'm guessing that's not the case.
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Been listening to the album back to back now. Such an awesome album, don't hate one single track on it.
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So I've listened to it enough now to have a more solid opinion. Though I'm not madly in love with it, I really enjoy most of the album. I don't hate any of the songs, but there are one or two "misses." Like "Sunny Side Up," especially the chorus. "Black Friday" is also a bit weaker but I still like it (again, the chorus kinda kills it for me). Both "Separation Anxiety" and "Cone of Shame" have a Pain of Salvation sorta vibe to me. "Matador" is probably my favorite. I love the first two, love "Motherfucker" and "Rise of the Fall"... overall a strong and fun album, great energy.
In other news, I just found out they are doing a show at Red Rocks, and I already bought tickets. So pumped!
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I'm not sure what's taken me so long, but I'm going to pick up my copy of this tomorrow. Had a listen and really liked what I heard.
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So I guess The Real Thing and Angel Dust are getting 2-disc rereleases on the 9th with extra rarity tracks, b-sides and lave stuff on them. Almost want to double-dip.
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Link: https://ultimateclassicrock.com/axl-rose-mike-patton-prank/
Faith No More’s Mike Patton Once Defecated in Axl Rose’s Orange Juice
A 1991 tour with Gun N’ Roses found Faith No More frontman Mike Patton playing some unbelievable scatological tricks on Axl Rose.
Patton “sh– in an orange juice carton, resealed it, and put it back in Axl Rose’s personal drinks vending machine,” says Jon Holmes, author of Rock Star Babylon: Outrageous Rumors, Legends, and Raucous True Tales of Rock and Roll Icons.
Some of Patton’s other more outrageous pranks were outlined by Exclaim in the wake of Faith No More’s surprise return after nearly two decades away. For instance, Patton once “pissed all over Axl Rose’s cue cards while Guns N’ Roses were onstage,” according to Holmes. Patton’s rationale for such outrageous behavior? “Ain’t that rock’n’roll?” he said, in a contemporary interview with Kerrang! magazine.
Rose wasn’t the only target of Patton’s unique brand of bathroom humor, by the way. During the same tour, Patton told Kerrang!, he “took a sh–, rolled it into a ball and put it in the hair dryer so that the next guest to dry their hair would get hot sh– in their face.”
Rose and Patton were more recently linked in a study that sought to definitively name the world’s greatest singer. The determination was based on each vocalist’s range. Rose boasts a five-octave instrument, while Patton’s is six.
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Yeah, no offense but I have no sympathy when somebody's primary issue with an album is quantity vs. quality. I'd rather be entertained completely for 40 minutes than listening to an 80-minute album packed with filler.
I don't get this argument and never have. It is not a binary situation where a short album is automatically going to have mostly strong songs, whereas a longer album is going to just have the same amount of strong material and have the rest all just be filler. If a band is capable of writing 40 minutes of solid material, they are most likely capable of writing more than 40 minutes worth. Personally, of the two choices you gave, my pick would be: neither--how about an 80-minute album that entertains completely?
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This album is a massive grower. I returned to some of the songs yesterday and loved them.
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Yeah, no offense but I have no sympathy when somebody's primary issue with an album is quantity vs. quality. I'd rather be entertained completely for 40 minutes than listening to an 80-minute album packed with filler.
I don't get this argument and never have. It is not a binary situation where a short album is automatically going to have mostly strong songs, whereas a longer album is going to just have the same amount of strong material and have the rest all just be filler. If a band is capable of writing 40 minutes of solid material, they are most likely capable of writing more than 40 minutes worth. Personally, of the two choices you gave, my pick would be: neither--how about an 80-minute album that entertains completely?
I never said there were only two options :huh:
I just mean if somebody enjoys the 40 minutes, why bitch about the length? Bands aren't obligated to fill an entire CD, and they shouldn't necessarily try to.
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This is a very interesting record, even by FNM standards IMO. As MIaden said it's a definite grower, but I'm really liking it.
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This is a very interesting record, even by FNM standards IMO. As MIaden said it's a definite grower, but I'm really liking it.
Still liking it a lot, especially starting with Separation Anxiety. The first three tracks are just so-so for me. Watching the live youtubes, Black Friday seems to really fall flat live. I like it a lot on the CD, but it doesn't come across real well live from the looks of things.
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Thrilled to have met Roddy Bottum and Chuck Mosley last night on Long Island. When I played keyboard back in the day, Roddy was the first musician who I admired. I'd spend hours learning his parts on songs like "Epic," "Woodpecker From Mars" and "Midnight Cowboy." Chuck played a small bar as part of his Re-Introduce Yourself tour, and Roddy came to support him and play an Imperial Teen song.
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Happy 25th anniversary to Angel Dust! Despite Mike Patton's vocal heroics, my favorite track remains the closing instrumental, "Midnight Cowboy." But a great album from start to finish!
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Angel Dust is still awesome and fresh to this day. I listened to it today on earphones and the bass tone on this album is fucking huge. Classic.
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Their best album in my opinion. I've been actually spinning it for the past two weeks. Malpractice has to be my favorite, that's pure evil and insanity right there. :metal
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I go back and forth between Angel dust and The real thing. Both are so awesome
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I go back and forth between Angel Dust and Album of the Year. But I really have to give the edge to Angel Dust. Seriously one of the greatest albums ever made.
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I go back and forth between Angel Dust and King For A Day, mostly I tend to name King For A Day my favorite but Angel Dust is a very close second, such a good and classic record.
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I also really love King for a day. Very cool album. I also enjoy the Mosley era albums, but I overall like Patton's approach more.
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I confess to having never really listened to the Mosley era albums, always wanted to but never got around to it.
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I confess to having never really listened to the Mosley era albums, always wanted to but never got around to it.
Same here.
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The Mosley albums are fun, they hadn't completely developed their style yet, so it was definetely a "mixed bag" kind of thing. but there's some good stuff in there.
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Angel Dust turned 25 years yesterday! Didn't have time to spin it then but spinning it today, and it remains a masterpiece. :)
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I was listening to Midlife crisis on repeat the past few days. I really, really love that song.
Its the song that originally got me in to FNM and a big thanks to GTA SA allowing me to hear it for the first time.
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Original singer of FNM Chuck mosley has passed away
https://www.metalsucks.net/2017/11/10/original-faith-no-more-vocalist-chuck-mosley-dead-at-age-57/
RIP
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I only recently got into FNM, and Introduce Yourself is really what hooked me. Love that album, and it's sad to see Chuck go. RIP.
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Massive almost 5-year bump.
I've been listening to a ton of Faith No More lately and just listened to all their albums start to finish which I hadn't done in a while.
FNM are a band I started following around '91 before Angel Dust came out and at the time would listen to The Real Thing back to back endlessly. Like Dream Theater they showed you can mix a lot of genres into your album and enjoy them all. At the time I was very into Thrash and heavy metal so FNM showed you could be heavy and have keys mixed with all those mellow parts. Dream Theater did that to a larger extent but I hadn't discovered them yet.
The first two albums with Chuck Mosley on vocals have a lot of good tracks on them. To me The Real Thing feels like the finished product of those two albums. Chuck's vocals are definitely a bit harder to get into but there are some good chunky riffs in various tracks like Chinese Arithmetic, Pills for Breakfast among others.
I have a strong attachment to The Real Thing and IMO is a perfect album. It still holds up so well today and even though I probably would rate the other later albums higher, it's a solid album.
The stark difference between The Real Thing and Angel Dust was so striking to me as a young teen, and took a while before I fully embraced Angel Dust.
Post Angel Dust the three albums have a similar framework but with really kick ass songs on them. King has my favorite production of them all, I really enjoyed Sol Invictus too. It's such a strong album catalog, I really hope they're able to release a video live album sometime. It's the one band I wished I had seen live.
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yeah, I never have seen them live as well. Sad thing is, if they did play my town, it likely would be at an Arena and the tickets would be way higher than I'd like to spend. But while they are not #1 or #2 on my to see live bucket list, they are still up there, I would have to seriously think about trying to go regardless of the price.
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Used to love FNM. Still like their music a lot. I was lucky enough to see them 5 or 6 times dating back to The Real Thing tour. Good times!
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Used to love FNM. Still like their music a lot. I was lucky enough to see them 5 or 6 times dating back to The Real Thing tour. Good times!
I've never seen them live at all. Wow! Those shows must have been something... what about their Angel Dust tour? Did you see any of those shows? Especially when they opened for G'N'Rs + Metallica in the summer of 1992?
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Can’t speak for fp, but I saw them on the Angel Dust tour in Seattle (Kyuss and Babes in Toyland opened) and I thought they were absolutely amazing…but you could tell the writing was on the wall for Jim. At one point in the show, Jim threw down his guitar and walked off stage. The band had to improvise for a few minutes until someone convinced him to finish the show.
Other than that they killed it.
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It's funny to read about Jim's absolute incense of the new direction the band was going and I think I remember a quote of him saying the Angel Dust material sounded better live but still couldn't stomach more of that material.
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It's funny to read about Jim's absolute incense of the new direction the band was going and I think I remember a quote of him saying the Angel Dust material sounded better live but still couldn't stomach more of that material.
Angel Dust was the album that really drove the point home that tension can and often does create great art. I liked not loved The Real Thing, but I REALLY loved (and still love) Angel Dust. That was the perfect amalgamation of melody, weird, metal, whatever. I still find myself singing those melodies to myself on occasion. "A small vic-tor-e-e-e..."
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They were/are one of the best bands of all time, imo. The Real Thing came out when i was a teenager at school. Never seen em live, though!
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It's funny to read about Jim's absolute incense of the new direction the band was going and I think I remember a quote of him saying the Angel Dust material sounded better live but still couldn't stomach more of that material.
Angel Dust was the album that really drove the point home that tension can and often does create great art. I liked not loved The Real Thing, but I REALLY loved (and still love) Angel Dust. That was the perfect amalgamation of melody, weird, metal, whatever. I still find myself singing those melodies to myself on occasion. "A small vic-tor-e-e-e..."
YES! I 100% agree with this. The Real Thing was great - I think their sound was a breath of fresh air, at the time. But Angel Dust was definitely next level, for me. I didn't quite "get" it right away, but it grew to be one of my all-time favorites. And it's one of Mike Patton's best performances ever. The leap in the quality and depth of his singing between The Real Thing and Angel Dust was nothing short of astounding.
(Can't say I'm a huge fan of a lot of the stuff he did afterwards, outside of FNM...I get the versatility, the genius and all of that, but his constant push to be "out there" wore a little thin over time. King for a Day was still great, though)
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After Angel Dust they never really hit that quality again on record. King for a Day is full of 7 outta 10 songs, Record of the Year is really hit and miss (and sometimes sounds like a collection of B-Sides). Sol Invictus for me just didn't work at all. But The Real Thing and Angel Dust are amazing albums.
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It's funny to read about Jim's absolute incense of the new direction the band was going and I think I remember a quote of him saying the Angel Dust material sounded better live but still couldn't stomach more of that material.
Angel Dust was the album that really drove the point home that tension can and often does create great art. I liked not loved The Real Thing, but I REALLY loved (and still love) Angel Dust. That was the perfect amalgamation of melody, weird, metal, whatever. I still find myself singing those melodies to myself on occasion. "A small vic-tor-e-e-e..."
It truly is the perfect amalgamation of those elements in that album. The following 2 albums also have some of that but it feels like more of a re-tread than something original that came out even though I'm a huge fan of all subsequent albums.
I was a teen when The Real Thing and Angel Dust came out and I was just getting used to the idea of bands changing their sound and direction at such a drastic level. Angel Dust was that gateway album that you can still enjoy a band's output regardless of style.
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Can’t speak for fp, but I saw them on the Angel Dust tour in Seattle (Kyuss and Babes in Toyland opened) and I thought they were absolutely amazing…but you could tell the writing was on the wall for Jim. At one point in the show, Jim threw down his guitar and walked off stage. The band had to improvise for a few minutes until someone convinced him to finish the show.
Other than that they killed it.
I saw them on the same tour in Vancouver, so likely a day or two before or after the Seattle show. It really was an incredible show.
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Call me crazy, but I never found Angel dust to be all that different than the real thing. And I love them both. So when I heard about Jim not being into it, I was a little surprised.
Now is Angel dust different the chuck Mosley albums? definitely.
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I think Angel Dust is WAY darker. And considering I’m comparing it to an album that had Zombie Eaters, The Real Thing, and Edge of the World, that’s saying a lot.
But I guess that comes down to the music matching the lyrical content more. Even though the lyrical themes on The Real Thing were dark, the music played an almost upbeat contrast. But with Angel Dust, there’s a much more disturbing quality to the music, especially the whole “I’m warning you” section of Caffeine. And J-i-zzlober , and Malpractice…it’s just a very dark and unnerving album. (EDIT - weird that I had to do that to j-lobber to get the name of the song…the forum auto corrects j-i-z-z to “smile”? Really?)
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Angel Dust is probably their best but King For A Day is possibly my favourite.
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Wasn't Jim Martin's big objection to Angel Dust that the focus of the songwriting shifted from being a guitar-band to being a vocal-band? When Mike Patton came in on The Real Thing it felt like he sort of just slid into an already existing role and when they moved forward with Angel Dust, the songwriting definitely started getting more experimental and trying to play to Patton's strengths. A song like Malpractice - that I absolutely adore, feels like a showcase for what Patton can do, more than being your average song. Part of me can understand Jim Martin if he wanted to be a standout in the band, but when you got maybe the most talented & versatile rock/metal singer ever at your disposal, I feel like the turn they took was one that was both refreshing and resulted in their best album.
I still adore The Real Thing and it has some fantastic songs - the title track especially, but Angel Dust to me is that perfect lightning in a bottle album. I think the albums they made after it are really good too, but something about Angel Dust just makes it stand out. I'm a huge Patton fan and I think when he's in the right band at the right time - like FNM during those years or Mr. Bungle, he's fantastic. I think some of the time the material isn't up to his level of talent though. As much as I like Tomahawk for example, they always felt a bit like 'lesser Faith No More'. I would still rate their best albums around 8 or 8.5 out of 10 which isn't bad at all, but they're missing that Angel Dust level album. I don't think Patton's been on a truly fantastic album in the last decade or so which is a shame because he's so great.
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I think Angel Dust is WAY darker. And considering I’m comparing it to an album that had Zombie Eaters, The Real Thing, and Edge of the World, that’s saying a lot.
But I guess that comes down to the music matching the lyrical content more. Even though the lyrical themes on The Real Thing were dark, the music played an almost upbeat contrast. But with Angel Dust, there’s a much more disturbing quality to the music, especially the whole “I’m warning you” section of Caffeine. And J-i-zzlober , and Malpractice…it’s just a very dark and unnerving album. (EDIT - weird that I had to do that to j-lobber to get the name of the song…the forum auto corrects j-i-z-z to “smile”? Really?)
You're not wrong, but for me, it's the melodies. It's darker like you say, but it's also more... subversive, in a way. The Real Thing is close, but it's a work in progress, culminating in Angel Dust. I don't begrudge anyone else what they like, but they haven't come close to that since, IMO.
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Relax…..
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….it’s just a phase…
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….you’ll grow out of it!
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I used to focus my FNM listening on the Patton releases and neglected the earlier albums. Nowadays I can't get enough of the self-titled and Introduce Yourself – I love Patton to bits, but the groundwork they laid with the earlier stuff is unbelievable. Puffy is truly a unique drummer, and it's funny how unique his drumlines are. There's a lot more happening in We Care A Lot than the kick drum and snare, and stuff like Spirit and Faster Disco almost bring me to tears. So good.
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I just read that We Care a Lot is meant to be sarcastic and my entire world is shattered
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I liked that it turned up in Guardians 3.
I used to focus my FNM listening on the Patton releases and neglected the earlier albums. Nowadays I can't get enough of the self-titled and Introduce Yourself – I love Patton to bits, but the groundwork they laid with the earlier stuff is unbelievable. Puffy is truly a unique drummer, and it's funny how unique his drumlines are. There's a lot more happening in We Care A Lot than the kick drum and snare, and stuff like Spirit and Faster Disco almost bring me to tears. So good.
I should go back and do this. I've barely ever considered the Chuck stuff.
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chuck era has lots of good stuff