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What's happening with this? Has they been any status update recently?
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No.
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All we know is that it will be released on a Tuesday.
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I thought I had read somewhere that they were aiming for this August. But then again they might have meant August 2017
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From Richard Chycki
4/9/14
On March 25, my good friends Dream Theater performed at the Boston Opera House, joined by students from their alma mater Berklee. The show was recorded for a DVD release and is currently in post production and mixing here. This will be a great one!
Be well,
R.
https://www.richardchycki.com/dream-theater-live-at-the-boston-opera-house/
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I thought I had read somewhere that they were aiming for this August. But then again they might have meant August 2017
Someone claimed that JLB said that in a Canadian performance. Not sure which.
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Soon.
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:soon:
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I imagine they filmed it quite early on the tour to give them a bit more leeway with post-production, after the last one went on so long.
Clearly, it's worked.
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Damn, I read the title and expected to read some news :-\
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Soon.
Too soon?!
:lol
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Damn, I read the title and expected to read some news :-\
:iagree: I was hoping for a trailer or something.
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Soon.
Too soon?!
:lol
It's just a matter of time, yo.
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Hopefully it will sound better than Luna Park. To be honest, seeing that it is going to be the same team that worked on DT12, my expectations aren't too high. Awesome setlist though and I'll be a first day buyer.
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Two months have passed since the show was filmed and some people are already expecting news - didn't you guys learn anything from what happened with LALP? :lol
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I was at this show, front row balcony center/right and the band was definitely very tight. LaBrie was fantastic. No clams all night that I can recall.
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No clams all night that I can recall.
His voice breaks during IT though, they will have to fix that.
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Hopefully it will sound better than Luna Park. To be honest, seeing that it is going to be the same team that worked on DT12, my expectations aren't too high. Awesome setlist though and I'll be a first day buyer.
Chycki mixed the Christmas release and, even though it was basically a collection of soundboard recordings, I thought it actually sounded better than LALP. So I'm happy that he's doing this.
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No clams all night that I can recall.
His voice breaks during IT though, they will have to fix that.
To ask or not to ask and have it ruined for me....
..Salvation??
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I also thought the Christmas gift sounded better than Luna Park.
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No clams all night that I can recall.
His voice breaks during IT though, they will have to fix that.
To ask or not to ask and have it ruined for me....
..Salvation??
Going by the show before and after Boston (I think I've seen one video from Boston as well but can't recall), he hit "salvation" but failed "brave".
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Hopefully it will sound better than Luna Park. To be honest, seeing that it is going to be the same team that worked on DT12, my expectations aren't too high. Awesome setlist though and I'll be a first day buyer.
Chycki mixed the Christmas release and, even though it was basically a collection of soundboard recordings, I thought it actually sounded better than LALP. So I'm happy that he's doing this.
This 1000%. The DT Xmas release had a similar mix to ADTOE album - keyboards very profound, didn't let the guitar drown anything out.
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No clams all night that I can recall.
His voice breaks during IT though, they will have to fix that.
To ask or not to ask and have it ruined for me....
..Salvation??
Going by the show before and after Boston (I think I've seen one video from Boston as well but can't recall), he hit "salvation" but failed "brave".
Interesting. I've seen a bunch of videos on youtube, and only in like three did he even go for the F on "salvation", but he's nailed "fame" on every one to make up for it. Haven't heard too big of a screw up on "brave" in any of them that I recall, but that isn't too huge of a note.
edit: I think the three I saw where he went for the F were indeed the ones directly before and after the Boston show.
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Yeah, one note will ruin this DVD for me. :lol
If that's the case, all DVD from DT are ruined. :facepalm:
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:lol No really! I always focus on that one note that is hardest to hit and it's all I can think about the whole DVD long! I mean I ruin it for myself the more I ponder about the tiny details of that one note and which nights were best and how real the DVD performance is!
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I think it's pretty unlikely they'll released it before finishing up this whole tour. It'd be a spoiler for other coutries.
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:lol
I personally like hearing mistake on live CD's or DVD's. Makes it live to me!
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James mentioned in Philly that that were hoping for an August release.
James was excellent in Boston, though I think he was actually stronger in Philly. James has been on fire this tour, and while Boston may not have been his best show, that should by no means mean that he was not good. Again, he was excellent. Nothing to worry about people.
That said, the IT section was a bit rough, and will likely get a patch. Same for when he thanks the "Boston" College of Music at the end of the show! :facepalm:
They will also have to amend the end of Finally Free as MM tries to end the song prematurely.
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Well I am super excited for this DVD.
But I hope some day DT puts out a completely un-touched DVD again. And I feel like LALP could have been that, but it wasn't. I actually prefer some of the notes on the original recordings I've heard from those two nights over the final product!
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Well I am super excited for this DVD.
But I hope some day DT puts out a completely un-touched DVD again. And I feel like LALP could have been that, but it wasn't. I actually prefer some of the notes on the original recordings I've heard from those two nights over the final product!
Which one is that?
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This 1000%. The DT Xmas release had a similar mix to ADTOE album - keyboards very profound, didn't let the guitar drown anything out.
No, the Holiday special is so much better than the original. (Hear that Bosk?)
:iagree: I was hoping for a trailer or something.
Ya know, it's funny, Warner took down my video of IT, which probably did not deter people from buying the Blu Ray that was shot at an angle at which the orchestra can be seen, with optical zooming, in a decent codec, with cameras that cost more than $50 with contract that did not shake and with audio that wasn't constantly broken by my annoying voice, down for copyright even though it probably just encouraged sales.
JLB's voice breaks at some point early on (Enemy Inside maybe) and also two or three syllables after surrender. It probably does at least once more, I haven't sat down with the recording.
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Regarding "flubs" -- Don't forget the House of Blues show soundcheck, which I imagine could serve as a good source for "correcting" any flubs in the DVD.
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Hmm, I found a soundboard recording of an Italian DT show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTI6oaxBa7M
Can't say I like Petrucci's tone this time around. What's he using this tour? A Triaxis?
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Wow, that was rough. JP made so many mistakes, that was surprising.
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That was by the beginning of the tour, so it doesn't surprise me JP was a little rusty. The whole band's performance really went 10 notches up as the tour progressed, it shows they became more comfortable with the setlist and the show itself.
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Well I am super excited for this DVD.
But I hope some day DT puts out a completely un-touched DVD again. And I feel like LALP could have been that, but it wasn't. I actually prefer some of the notes on the original recordings I've heard from those two nights over the final product!
Which one is that?
Live in Tokyo
Once in a Livetime
Metropolis 2000/ Scenes From New York
I think Budokan.
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Hmm, I found a soundboard recording of an Italian DT show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTI6oaxBa7M
Can't say I like Petrucci's tone this time around. What's he using this tour? A Triaxis?
Yep he's using Triaxis. For what it's worth that soundboard recording was not capturing his tone very well. It translated nicely live I thought.
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Hmm, I found a soundboard recording of an Italian DT show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTI6oaxBa7M
Can't say I like Petrucci's tone this time around. What's he using this tour? A Triaxis?
It is a Triaxis.
Sounds completely different at the actual show. Actually, maybe the best JP's ever sounded to me.
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Wow, that was rough. JP made so many mistakes, that was surprising.
On the other hand, he was absolutely perfect one day later. He even nailed the best improv SDV solo of the tour (IMO). Day to day fluctuations, I guess.
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Everyone has an off night. Petrucci is an incredible guitar player, but if you're going to play at the complexity level that Dream Theater plays at, there are going to be a few performances that are not as good as others.
As far as LaBrie goes, he turned in an excellent performance in Boston. I didn't hear any mistakes that were memorable enough to recall.
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Everyone has an off night. Petrucci is an incredible guitar player, but if you're going to play at the complexity level that Dream Theater plays at, there are going to be a few performances that are not as good as others.
As far as LaBrie goes, he turned in an excellent performance in Boston. I didn't hear any mistakes that were memorable enough to recall.
Well, I found a few ones, but they are going to be patched anyway. He had better nights in the tour (Manchester for example, or Philly), but he sounded great. Having listened to a lot of bootlegs from the leg I can tell that in Boston he pushed a little his performance beyond his standard confidence level, especially with regards to the highest end of the register, and that mostly turned out fine, but at least on one occasion his voice nearly left him in a critical moment. Still, a couple well aimed patches and this may very well become one of his best recorded performances.
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But I hope some day DT puts out a completely un-touched DVD again. And I feel like LALP could have been that, but it wasn't. I actually prefer some of the notes on the original recordings I've heard from those two nights over the final product!
Just sayin', this is probably never gonna happen. I know it's supposed to be 'live', but this band cares a lot about the presentation of the music, and if you're going to release it on DVD to be experienced thousands of times, you can bet they'd rather tuck away any mistakes in the mix.
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But I hope some day DT puts out a completely un-touched DVD again. And I feel like LALP could have been that, but it wasn't. I actually prefer some of the notes on the original recordings I've heard from those two nights over the final product!
Just sayin', this is probably never gonna happen. I know it's supposed to be 'live', but this band cares a lot about the presentation of the music, and if you're going to release it on DVD to be experienced thousands of times, you can bet they'd rather tuck away any mistakes in the mix.
You are probably right, but I wouldnt mind seeing an un-touched DVD in the future. Or at least something that is mostly untouched. Maybe fix something that is really messed up (JPs guitar going out during UAGM in Score) but leaving all the small mistakes that go by mostly unnoticed except for the experienced ear. I guess that is what the official bootlegs are for then. I havent listened to the christmas CD in awhile, were there any mistakes in that?
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You already mentioned but my first thought was official bootlegs. I mean, there's some cool stuff in the live series, some real gems, but they're completely raw so there are some almost embarrassing moments aswell. I think I'd rather they touch up the official DVD releases and optimize the experience. So long as it doesn't start looking fake..
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Hmm, I found a soundboard recording of an Italian DT show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTI6oaxBa7M
Can't say I like Petrucci's tone this time around. What's he using this tour? A Triaxis?
It is a Triaxis.
Sounds completely different at the actual show. Actually, maybe the best JP's ever sounded to me.
I think he keeps messing about with his tone, doesn't he? He's trying lots of different things this tour, keeps switching out guitar pedals. Wonder if the tone in that video might have been a bit experimental.
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I havent listened to the christmas CD in awhile, were there any mistakes in that?
UAGM final verse sounds weird and the F# in LTL cracks up a bit after James reaches it.
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Hmm, I found a soundboard recording of an Italian DT show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTI6oaxBa7M
Can't say I like Petrucci's tone this time around. What's he using this tour? A Triaxis?
It is a Triaxis.
Sounds completely different at the actual show. Actually, maybe the best JP's ever sounded to me.
I think he keeps messing about with his tone, doesn't he? He's trying lots of different things this tour, keeps switching out guitar pedals. Wonder if the tone in that video might have been a bit experimental.
I saw two shows and have a Boston boot. I think it works well on some stuff but not others. I think TEI has way too much midrange (despite him apparently lowering it substantially) and The Mirror/Lie just sound plain weird with it.
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Everyone has an off night. Petrucci is an incredible guitar player, but if you're going to play at the complexity level that Dream Theater plays at, there are going to be a few performances that are not as good as others.
As far as LaBrie goes, he turned in an excellent performance in Boston. I didn't hear any mistakes that were memorable enough to recall.
Well, I found a few ones, but they are going to be patched anyway. He had better nights in the tour (Manchester for example, or Philly), but he sounded great. Having listened to a lot of bootlegs from the leg I can tell that in Boston he pushed a little his performance beyond his standard confidence level, especially with regards to the highest end of the register, and that mostly turned out fine, but at least on one occasion his voice nearly left him in a critical moment. Still, a couple well aimed patches and this may very well become one of his best recorded performances.
Cool Annalysis, Wasteland, I notice these things in his voice too. It's cool when he gets one night to push it slightly more, so he hits more notes, but he uses proper technique so he doesn't blow out his middle voice passage and high notes.
Also he was AMAZING on the first show I ever saw of this tour (live, I hadn't watched youtube videos to compare yet), in Riverside. I think slightly better than the following night in LA. Still, Philly was probably even better, maybe Manchester.
I havent listened to the christmas CD in awhile, were there any mistakes in that?
The whole CD is completely and entirely untouched except Another Day, on which James was auto-tuned, or manually-tuned or whatever you call it when you tune something note by note. Either way it was a pretty quick job. They only had one performance of that to choose from.
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^ I actually wouldn't have guessed that Another Day was pitch-corrected. It turned out way better than the CiM pitch correction. :lol Was it a major change from the actual performance?
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That's because it was pitch corrected quickly and kind of sloppily at about two points in the song (second "so die another DAAAYYYY" on very the end of the word "DAY" and the last "you won't find it here" on "here"), but it did not have that thin robot, cell phone answering machine sound. They managed to maintain the quality of the vocal track.
It drastically changed every note that was flat (not so much any others).. Mainly the second "DAY" and the last "here", and it especially changed the "WHOA" before the guitar solo which was originally WAY flat. I've heard the original.
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You must have been almost next to me. Front row balcony center immediately to the right of the projector. Has my 9yo dt fanatic son with me for his first concert.
I was at this show, front row balcony center/right and the band was definitely very tight. LaBrie was fantastic. No clams all night that I can recall.
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Everyone has an off night. Petrucci is an incredible guitar player, but if you're going to play at the complexity level that Dream Theater plays at, there are going to be a few performances that are not as good as others.
As far as LaBrie goes, he turned in an excellent performance in Boston. I didn't hear any mistakes that were memorable enough to recall.
Well, I found a few ones, but they are going to be patched anyway. He had better nights in the tour (Manchester for example, or Philly), but he sounded great. Having listened to a lot of bootlegs from the leg I can tell that in Boston he pushed a little his performance beyond his standard confidence level, especially with regards to the highest end of the register, and that mostly turned out fine, but at least on one occasion his voice nearly left him in a critical moment. Still, a couple well aimed patches and this may very well become one of his best recorded performances.
Where'd you find a bootleg from Boston? I'd love to hear it.
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I was at this show, front row balcony center/right and the band was definitely very tight. LaBrie was fantastic. No clams all night that I can recall.
i almost got to go but had to fly back to New York for a week, can't wait to see this dvd, hope its better than Luna
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I havent listened to the christmas CD in awhile, were there any mistakes in that?
UAGM final verse sounds weird and the F# in LTL cracks up a bit after James reaches it.
The rawness makes it sound more passionate. He sounds like a 50 year old dude, singing an incredibly challenging song after singing for a couple hours already, who tries his damnedest to hit that note. He does, and strains to hold it, yet it sounds awesome. Not flawless but just plain awesome.
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Can't wait for Live at Boston Opera House
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I havent listened to the christmas CD in awhile, were there any mistakes in that?
UAGM final verse sounds weird and the F# in LTL cracks up a bit after James reaches it.
That F# sounds like someone trying to hit a punching bag, and ending up knocking the punching bag off its chain, which then causes it to crash through the wall and kill several pedestrians in the process. It's impressive, but at the same time, it makes you go, "What the hell just happened?"
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I just want a bit more crowd noise this time. I always thought Budokan was quiet until I heard LALP. Even on the "Intro tape begins to roll" part was just silent. I was amazed when I watched LAB back the other day the difference between the two. I would like some more of the crowd audio for Boston please!!
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I havent listened to the christmas CD in awhile, were there any mistakes in that?
UAGM final verse sounds weird and the F# in LTL cracks up a bit after James reaches it.
The rawness makes it sound more passionate. He sounds like a 50 year old dude, singing an incredibly challenging song after singing for a couple hours already, who tries his damnedest to hit that note. He does, and strains to hold it, yet it sounds awesome. Not flawless but just plain awesome.
I just searched it out.
I totally 100% agree with that analysis. It's pretty fucking raw but also balls to wall brutal. Gotta love JLB.
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I just want a bit more crowd noise this time. I always thought Budokan was quiet until I heard LALP. Even on the "Intro tape begins to roll" part was just silent. I was amazed when I watched LAB back the other day the difference between the two. I would like some more of the crowd audio for Boston please!!
Haha agreed! More crowd noise this time around is a must, especially for those "vital" crowd participation moments, like you mentioned above, "intro tape begins to roll" is definitely one of them.
Additionally, I really hope the visual aspects of the show are captured well, this touring cycle had such well-done staging and videos it would be a shame for that presentation to not be translated well to the finished product.
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Yeah one of the best things about this tour was "Oh really?" and "I will ril out your heart and feed it to the dragons". Those videos were all awesome. I realise that alot of people made them but it would be great to see to get that lot onto the Extras.
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Listening to the bootleg right now, they will definitely have to do some pitch correction here and there.
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All we know is that it will be released on a Tuesday.
:lol
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The real question is:
Should this thread be stickied for the next three years?
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Nah, they got a competent production company this time.
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Nah, they got a competent production company this time.
Any word on who's producing the DVD this time around?
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Nah, they got a competent production company this time.
Any word on who's producing the DVD this time around?
Not Over The Edge Productions that's for sure.
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Sooooooo Thanks to Over The Edge for not producing?! :lol
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:lol
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I've yet to watch Luna Park. It's still sitting unopened on top of my PS4.
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So do we know for sure Over the Edge was the problem?
I mean part of the delay was the theatrical premiere and it sure seems like Over the Edge and their facts caused a bit of it, but is it any more than an educated hunch?
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While the LALP performance was great, I was NOT a fan of the sound mix or the Michael Bay-esque editing. I will be extremely disappointed if DT doesn't take cues from the criticisms of LALP and change their approach for the Boston DVD.
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So do we know for sure Over the Edge was the problem?
Perhaps they simply weren't available at the time of the DVD shoot? The last three Rush DVDs were all done by three different production companies.
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So do we know for sure Over the Edge was the problem?
Perhaps they simply weren't available at the time of the DVD shoot? The last three Rush DVDs were all done by three different production companies.
Or, like Paul Northfield said, its good just to get different perspectives after a while, even if you have used the same producer (or in this case production company) a few times.
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While the LALP performance was great, I was NOT a fan of the sound mix or the Michael Bay-esque editing. I will be extremely disappointed if DT doesn't take cues from the criticisms of LALP and change their approach for the Boston DVD.
Did you happen to watch it in a movie theater? I think the editing worked well on the big screen. In any event, I would also welcome a change to the editing style just to keep things fresh.
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While the LALP performance was great, I was NOT a fan of the sound mix or the Michael Bay-esque editing. I will be extremely disappointed if DT doesn't take cues from the criticisms of LALP and change their approach for the Boston DVD.
Did you happen to watch it in a movie theater? I think the editing worked well on the big screen. In any event, I would also welcome a change to the editing style just to keep things fresh.
I agree with this 100%
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They should go back for a more Live at Budokan-esque type of visual production. That DVD is absolutely blissful to watch and listen to.
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Who decided it was a good idea to put a camera on JP's LEFT SIDE at Luna Park? If anything was ever less-than-useless this is it. Cuz, yeah, we all want to see how JP places his thumb on the back of the neck as he plays. John Myung still can't get on-screen... even being filmed for six hours over two days.
So many years of concert films out there and junk like this still happens. The way Live at Budokan and SCORE were shot and directed was amazing and completely flushed my mind of the Live Scenes from New York editing/directing abomination. You know, even When Dream and Day Reunite was awesomely put together. Then we finally get Live at Luna Park after waiting for 2 years and being told how great it was and then I go to watch it and I'm like "wtf, is this 1999 again?" Putting in random video of scenery was also terrible.
At least the crowd noise was kept down during the music and the actual performance was sweet.
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We only waited one year and three months dude. :P I see the problems like you do, but it doesn't really detract from it all that much for me. I still like it, but not quite as much as Score or LAB.
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I liked the shots for the most part in LaLP, gave a different perspective to what we are used to seeing of the band. The sound could have been a lot better and I wish the crowd was better but that's not the band or productions fault (unless they just screwed up capturing the audience).
I do think live at Budokan is the best overall in terms of video and audio combined quality. I'd take that style again
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I liked the shots for the most part in LaLP, gave a different perspective to what we are used to seeing of the band. The sound could have been a lot better and I wish the crowd was better but that's not the band or productions fault (unless they just screwed up capturing the audience).
Which is what I think happened. Maybe they didn't but almost every live album would at least embelish the audience a little bit to make it sound like you are there with the crowd. Overall, that is pretty nitpicky of me because ultimately the performance and the sound of that are what matters and I think they did pretty damn good. I kind of understand how people think it is lacking compared to other live releases because I don't think it has the same "punch" but I think that is pretty minor. I am a little bummed the snare wasn't more up front in the mix.
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Yeah, I think they screwed up capturing/mixing the audience. Did you see them? They were nuts. It's a South American DT show FFS.
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Yeah, I think they screwed up capturing/mixing the audience. Did you see them? They were nuts. It's a South American DT show FFS.
I dont know, they didnt look nuts to me, but maybe more nuts than the average DT show. I also had high expectations of the crowd considering it was South American.
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I'm guessing that since there was no ignition of sonic rage that it was a production issue.
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They should go back for a more Live at Budokan-esque type of visual production. That DVD is absolutely blissful to watch and listen to.
Not really. JP's hair was much too short on that one.
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They should go back for a more Live at Budokan-esque type of visual production. That DVD is absolutely blissful to watch and listen to.
Not really. JP's hair was much too short on that one.
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They should go back for a more Live at Budokan-esque type of visual production. That DVD is absolutely blissful to watch and listen to.
Not really. JP's hair was much too short on that one.
I love you.
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I know.
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Mike Mangini on Facebook today:
"Cheers to everyone that had fun with us during on of our shows thus far on tour. I already want to get practicing, but a couple of days of not playing at all is good. I did a quick check on our Boston DVD footage. I am stunned about the look and sound of this current tour's performance being captured like 'that' is all I'll say. The release of it is moving very fast. Really fast. Those in the Southern and Pacific Rim areas of the World will get to see this production in person next.... Check the DT FB for announcement dates on both. I do not know them."
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Nice, thanks for the information. I hope it's going to be released this year :lol
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Mike Mangini on Facebook today:
"I did a quick check on our Boston DVD footage. I am stunned about the look and sound of this current tour's performance being captured like 'that' is all I'll say. The release of it is moving very fast. Really fast. Those in the Southern and Pacific Rim areas of the World will get to see this production in person next.... Check the DT FB for announcement dates on both. I do not know them."
Sounds promising for Aussie tour :drool:
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Sounds like we're getting news. Soon.
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:soon:
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I'm so looking forward to this. Hope it comes soon.
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Yeah, I think they screwed up capturing/mixing the audience. Did you see them? They were nuts. It's a South American DT show FFS.
I dont know, they didnt look nuts to me, but maybe more nuts than the average DT show. I also had high expectations of the crowd considering it was South American.
They make the mistake of putting sits in the venue. If you want a southamerican crowd to go nuts, take out the sits.
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Glad to see the update!
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Yeah, I think they screwed up capturing/mixing the audience. Did you see them? They were nuts. It's a South American DT show FFS.
I dont know, they didnt look nuts to me, but maybe more nuts than the average DT show. I also had high expectations of the crowd considering it was South American.
They make the mistake of putting sits in the venue. If you want a southamerican crowd to go nuts, take out the sits.
They wouldn't remove the seats, they'd just play a different venue.
The crowd was definitely more engaged on the bonus night tho.
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Do we have any info about the production team? I hope it's not the same as LALP, i didn't really like the editing. Hopefully it will have a better audio mix as well (more Rudess and less Petrucci, thank you very much)
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Do we have any info about the production team? I hope it's not the same as LALP, i didn't really like the editing. Hopefully it will have a better audio mix as well (more Rudess and less Petrucci, thank you very much)
That's a great question, I haven't heard anything about the production team handling the project. I feel like if Over the Edge was doing it they would be advertising that fact, if I remember they marketed themselves pretty hard while working on the LALP release. Maybe its a different company?
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I could have sworn that I read it was two French guys...
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I could have sworn that I read it was two French guys...
Daft Punk?
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:lol
That would give the DVD an interesting twist :lol
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You did read that. I CBA to dig up my program right now, but I think its the same guys who did Snakes & Arrows Live or something like that.
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I could have sworn that I read it was two French guys...
Daft Punk?
Scenes from a Random Access Memory
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I could have sworn that I read it was two French guys...
Daft Punk?
That would be awesome.
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Yeah, I think they screwed up capturing/mixing the audience. Did you see them? They were nuts. It's a South American DT show FFS.
I dont know, they didnt look nuts to me, but maybe more nuts than the average DT show. I also had high expectations of the crowd considering it was South American.
They make the mistake of putting sits in the venue. If you want a southamerican crowd to go nuts, take out the sits.
Amen for that, when they came to Guatemala, i have no idea who's idea was to put plastic chairs on the venue!!! Bitches were broken in about 5 minutes!!! We are a rough crowd. :biggrin:
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I'm looking forward to this DVD, mainly for the Awake/Scenes material, and Trial of Tears. Probably will end up skipping the stuff from the new album, except maybe The Looking Glass. I didn't have a problem with Luna Park overall, it's an enjoyable performance, but some of the camera editing was weird. Don't mind the mix though. My biggest gripe with it is the setlist; it's awesome overall, but did we really need War Inside My Head/Test That Stumped Them All and spirit carries on for a third time on DVD? I love those songs, but it seems like such a waste---would've made a whole lot more sense to include a couple tunes from BC&SL, but oh well. I think it's in these aspects where I miss MP; he did a great job with the Budokan and Score DVDs, and seemed to do really well with picking the setlists.
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You have to admit though, getting the entire ADTOE was an awesome touch. Plus These Walls and Caught In a Web, which haven't been on a DVD yet, I think. Getting all that was worth hearing WIMH/Test and Spirit again I think.
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You have to admit though, getting the entire ADTOE was an awesome touch. Plus These Walls and Caught In a Web, which haven't been on a DVD yet, I think. Getting all that was worth hearing WIMH/Test and Spirit again I think.
Yeah, but it's still really weird that they didn't include anything off of BC&SL. It doesn't make any sense to exclude material from the album that came out before the newest one...especially when considering some fans may have not been able to see them on the BC&SL tour. Every band plays material from the previous album when they're out supporting the latest album for that very same reason. With the exception of the handful of times they played TCOT on the European festival shows that preceded the actual dramatic tour of events, they didn't play a single tune off the album for the WHOLE tour. That just seems really strange, and almost makes me wonder if it had something to do with legal reasons...
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I boiled it down to the songs being very long. They eat up a lot of setlist time that the band probably wanted to use for new material, including new 10+ minute epics. Plus I (and apparently the band agreed) don't think there was any place in that setlist where a BC&SL song would be appropriate. They'd be shoehorning it in for the sake of having a song from that album and I'd rather they not do that. We'll get a BC&SL song on the next DVD and I'm sure they'll get to the rest of the album soon enough.
I'm pretty certain there were no legal reasons. The band has the right to play their own songs.
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I boiled it down to the songs being very long. They eat up a lot of setlist time that the band probably wanted to use for new material, including new 10+ minute epics. Plus I (and apparently the band agreed) don't think there was any place in that setlist where a BC&SL song would be appropriate. They'd be shoehorning it in for the sake of having a song from that album and I'd rather they not do that. We'll get a BC&SL song on the next DVD and I'm sure they'll get to the rest of the album soon enough.
I'm pretty certain there were no legal reasons. The band has the right to play their own songs.
I guess on this new DVD we will get the shattered fortress...
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Yeah, but it's still really weird that they didn't include anything off of BC&SL. It doesn't make any sense to exclude material from the album that came out before the newest one...especially when considering some fans may have not been able to see them on the BC&SL tour. Every band plays material from the previous album when they're out supporting the latest album for that very same reason. With the exception of the handful of times they played TCOT on the European festival shows that preceded the actual dramatic tour of events, they didn't play a single tune off the album for the WHOLE tour. That just seems really strange, and almost makes me wonder if it had something to do with legal reasons...
I saw them twice on the Metropolis: 2000 tour and they didn't play anything off Falling into Infinity, which was their previous album at the time, at either show.
Plus, in the case of BC&SL, so many of those songs are long, and they weren't doing 3-hour shows on the ADTOE tour, so it was probably tough to squeeze anything from it in most nights, especially since they were playing a lot of the new album at every show and still wanting to hit enough of the older classics.
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Yeah, but it's still really weird that they didn't include anything off of BC&SL. It doesn't make any sense to exclude material from the album that came out before the newest one...especially when considering some fans may have not been able to see them on the BC&SL tour. Every band plays material from the previous album when they're out supporting the latest album for that very same reason. With the exception of the handful of times they played TCOT on the European festival shows that preceded the actual dramatic tour of events, they didn't play a single tune off the album for the WHOLE tour. That just seems really strange, and almost makes me wonder if it had something to do with legal reasons...
I saw them twice on the Metropolis: 2000 tour and they didn't play anything off Falling into Infinity, which was their previous album at the time, at either show.
Plus, in the case of BC&SL, so many of those songs are long, and they weren't doing 3-hour shows on the ADTOE tour, so it was probably tough to squeeze anything from it in most nights, especially since they were playing a lot of the new album at every show and still wanting to hit enough of the older classics.
Ah, I see. Yeah, that makes sense.
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Ideally, it'd be great if they could still play something from every album every night, but they've reached the point of having too many albums now to where that is practically impossible. Sure, they could do it, but they'd be restricting themselves since that would really only give them about one song per (non-new) album when you factor the number of new songs they play. That would suck. Writing a set list that flows well, has the new stuff and hits a lot of the band's high points, like this tour's set list does, is way more important than resorting to, "Uh oh, we still need a song from Train of Thought; we better throw something from that in there somewhere."
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I could have sworn that I read it was two French guys...
Daft Punk?
Scenes from a Random Access Memory
1. Give Life Back (Regression)
2. The Game Of 1928
3. Giorgio Deja Vu
4. Within My Words
5. Instant Tragedy
6. Beyond This Life Back To Music
7. Through Her Touch
8. Beyond Home
9. Lose Yourself To Dance Of Eternity
10. One Last Fragment Of Time
11. The Spirit Of Doin' It Right
12. Finally, Contact
-Marc.
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The "one song for every album" approach is great for an anniversary tour, but necessary for every tour. But let's admit it, the 2005 - 2006 leg with a rotating songs representing each album (plus some rare gems) was especially special.
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This guy said back in April the DT DVD is "in post production and mixing here". No idea really where "here" is.
https://www.richardchycki.com/dream-theater-live-at-the-boston-opera-house/
Googling a bit more I guess the same guy also did the production on their most recent CD.
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That guy? Welcome back to planet Earth. :lol
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He's new, don't be mean. :P
:welcome:
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oh my god that picture is adorable
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Just a long time fan of the music, I don't follow anything that's behind the scenes. Just saw people looking for info about who's producing the DVD and didn't see this guy's name mentioned in this thread at all, so figured I'd throw it out there as a possible clue.
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oh my god that picture is adorable
yes, it is :biggrin:
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James announces the name of the man who has directed the new dvd at the Boston Opera House: Aaron Bush (or something like that). Does anybody know him? I hope there is an official post about it soon.
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You must have been almost next to me. Front row balcony center immediately to the right of the projector. Has my 9yo dt fanatic son with me for his first concert.
I was at this show, front row balcony center/right and the band was definitely very tight. LaBrie was fantastic. No clams all night that I can recall.
:eek I think I was about 5 seats to your right :metal
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James announces the name of the man who has directed the new dvd at the Boston Opera House: Aaron Bush (or something like that). Does anybody know him? I hope there is an official post about it soon.
He's Hungarian, his name is Eren Basbug.
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I'm rather sure he's quite Turkish ;)
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Yes, he is definitely Turkish.
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As far as I know, Eren is from Turkey :biggrin: I also don't think he directed the video; we know that he's done the orchestral arrangements and conducted at the show. But he's on the forum, so he might answer you if he sees this :)
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He's Hungarian, his name is Eren Basbug.
It's this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9EP40mAJCc
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I know who this turkish musician is.: Eren. He conducted the orchestration in the new album and live at the Boston Opera House. Nevertheless, I think James is referring to another person 'cause he says this man mixed the live album...This quite talented turkish musician is not a sound engineer, I think. Never mind...we'll know when the information is given :)
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Eren directed the orchestra, not sure about the choir. Richard Chycki mixed the live album and so far we have no clue on who directed the filming!
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I did direct the orchestra (+rehearsals), choir and all related arrangements. Choir rehearsals were held by a friend called Robert Ballantine. I don't know if I look any Hungarian but I'm indeed Turkish :)
Sound-wise it's all up to Rich.
And about the dvd... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y)
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Cool video Eren :) Everything is awesome! Man, I truly admire your talent and Dream Theater is the best collection of musicians out there from my point of view. I'm glad that you enjoyed the special opportunity you were given. I wish I could work with my heroes as you did:) Take care and keep the music flowing! Greetings from Spain.
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Eren, I was there and just loved the show and I can't wait to hear the string section and the choir in lossless 5.1 sound!
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so far we have no clue on who directed the filming!
From the Opera House Concert Thread:
According to the Playbill, the Concert Film was directed by Pierre and Fracois Lameroux. Not sure if they were in chage of the production per se, or if they are charged with filming the DVD. Either way, the film shots I was watching were breathtaking. This DVD will kill Luna Park.
Pierre and Francois Lameroux are part of the Fogo Labs production company. They were the ones that were involved in Rush's R30 and Snakes and Arrows Live DVDs which BTW were nicely filmed IMO. I agree with you, this DVD will blow Luna Park completely.
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I forgot about that! Thanks Tim!
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I rectify my previous statement: "so far I have no clue on who directed the filming!" :D
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Mike Mangini on Facebook today:
"I did a quick check on our Boston DVD footage. I am stunned about the look and sound of this current tour's performance being captured like 'that' is all I'll say. The release of it is moving very fast. Really fast. Those in the Southern and Pacific Rim areas of the World will get to see this production in person next.... Check the DT FB for announcement dates on both. I do not know them."
Sounds promising for Aussie tour :drool:
Gives me a little bit more hope that they'll come to NZ again finally... Better not get my hopes too high though. ;D
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So I wonder if this DVD is going to be delayed 6 months like the last one? I remember hearing something about an August release . . .
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I don't know who is in charge of that but man...please, stop promoting LALP bonus multiangle content and give us some information about the upcoming Boston DVD release. The product is finished according to Mike Mangini and James. The band and the people around them have watched the entire footage. I'm positive that some news about this dvd/bluray will be given next moth but I'm afraid of what that implies (maybe a November-December release...?). We'll see what happens...
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My guess is that they want to wait for the tour to end to immortalize it on DVD. Makes enough sense to me and if that's the case we'll end up getting it less than a year after the actual concert, which is pretty awesome how quickly we'll be getting this.
Plus I'm sure they want to pack it with bonus goodies!
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In fact, that seems pretty logical given the circumstances. However, I thought the dvd would be available early because of Mangini's words on facebook (The release is moving very fast. Really fast...). I do not mind waiting if the product is worthwhile. Similar to Score or Live at Budokan quality-wise.
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Honestly, if we get this DVD shortly after the tour ends, I'd consider that very fast. DT fans are pretty lucky to get such quick release cycles.
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Id say a christmas release seems logical. After the next leg has completed and during the shopping season. In reality, that would still be a pretty quick turn around of the release. I wonder if Mangini's comments were meant towards completing the film and not really towards the release of the film (even though he said the word release). I say that because we know the film is done and it sounds like it was completed quickly, but havent heard a single word on the release.
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Whenever the release takes place, it'd be cool to take a look at the trailer including live audio (unlike the LALP one) :). Live at the Boston Opera House bluray will be the perfect christmas gift for me, for sure¡
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I have high hopes for the the sound on this one, especially after the disappointment that LALP was in this department. The drum sound was outstanding live this tour, especially the snare and the cymbals. Fat, full, well-rounded tone, nothing like the thin mosquito bites heard on the DVD. The chinas were so loud and powerful, they blew my mind every time Mike accented something on them. I hope this new release will capture some of that.
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Yeah, you'd think they'd want to have it ready for Christmas, no?
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Yeah, you'd think they'd want to have it ready for Christmas, no?
That's kinda what I've been thinking all along, and the fact that the tour will be wrapped by then makes sense too...
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I would also like them to have a look at the breathy vocals. I mean, I like that side of James' voice but they annoyed me in The Silent Man and Far from heaven in the last dvd.
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I highly doubt that it will be out before this tour cycle is over. That's like releasing Guardians of the Galaxy on DVD now, while it's still in theaters.
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Maybe they have changed their minds lately but James said at Philly they were hoping for an august release. At that point in time, they already knew the tour would not be over yet. The release date may now be depending on Eagle Rock.
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All that means is exactly what it says: James, on that night in March, was hoping for an August release date. It doesn't mean that was in the actual works. It doesn't mean that their entire tour schedule was laid out at that time. It doesn't mean that was a realistic time frame from the production viewpoint.
There hasn't been a release date announced, so it isn't "behind schedule."
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I highly doubt that it will be out before this tour cycle is over. That's like releasing Guardians of the Galaxy on DVD now, while it's still in theaters.
Hehe, funny thing, I enjoyed Guardians so much that coming out of the theater I was thinking "man, I wish I could buy this on DVD already."
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I highly doubt that it will be out before this tour cycle is over. That's like releasing Guardians of the Galaxy on DVD now, while it's still in theaters.
Hehe, funny thing, I enjoyed Guardians so much that coming out of the theater I was thinking "man, I wish I could buy this on DVD already."
TBH, so did I :lol
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Ranking time:
1. Live At Luna Park
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
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Do you realize how frustrating is for me to read your posts while knowing that Guardians Of Tha Galaxy won't hit my country's theatres until October 22? :sadpanda:
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Ranking time:
1. Live At Luna Park
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
Other way around for me. ;D
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Found this little snippet on Berklee's website
The Opera House show was recorded and will be released as a DVD by Eagle Rock Entertainment. A portion of the sales of the DVD will establish a scholarship in the name of Dream Theater at Berklee.
https://www.berklee.edu/berklee-today/summer-2014/dream-theater%E2%80%99s-homecoming
Didn't know they were establishing a DT scholarship. Pretty cool!
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Ranking time:
1. Live At Luna Park
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
Other way around for me. ;D
Me too.
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Found this little snippet on Berklee's website
The Opera House show was recorded and will be released as a DVD by Eagle Rock Entertainment. A portion of the sales of the DVD will establish a scholarship in the name of Dream Theater at Berklee.
https://www.berklee.edu/berklee-today/summer-2014/dream-theater%E2%80%99s-homecoming
Didn't know they were establishing a DT scholarship. Pretty cool!
Wow thats really cool and while they formed the band there, they did quit so I dont know if it makes a ton of sense when you think about it, but scholarships are great in general so thats really cool.
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Found this little snippet on Berklee's website
The Opera House show was recorded and will be released as a DVD by Eagle Rock Entertainment. A portion of the sales of the DVD will establish a scholarship in the name of Dream Theater at Berklee.
https://www.berklee.edu/berklee-today/summer-2014/dream-theater%E2%80%99s-homecoming
Didn't know they were establishing a DT scholarship. Pretty cool!
That's awesome! :tup
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Found this little snippet on Berklee's website
The Opera House show was recorded and will be released as a DVD by Eagle Rock Entertainment. A portion of the sales of the DVD will establish a scholarship in the name of Dream Theater at Berklee.
https://www.berklee.edu/berklee-today/summer-2014/dream-theater%E2%80%99s-homecoming
Didn't know they were establishing a DT scholarship. Pretty cool!
That's awesome! :tup
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Found this little snippet on Berklee's website
The Opera House show was recorded and will be released as a DVD by Eagle Rock Entertainment. A portion of the sales of the DVD will establish a scholarship in the name of Dream Theater at Berklee.
https://www.berklee.edu/berklee-today/summer-2014/dream-theater%E2%80%99s-homecoming
Didn't know they were establishing a DT scholarship. Pretty cool!
Wow thats really cool and while they formed the band there, they did quit so I dont know if it makes a ton of sense when you think about it, but scholarships are great in general so thats really cool.
True that they did not finish, but DT still cite Berkelee as their school, so it is still positive exposure for the school. And I may be misremembering, but they may have been offered honorary degrees at some point, so they may actually be considered graduating alums.
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Holy crap I'm 16 now and I was literally just looking into scholarships at Berklee and considering if I wanted to study music there, just after reading Lifting Shadows and knowing how well renowned the school is... Now if there's a new scholarship next year for the biggest 18-year-old Dream Theater fan, there will be NO DOUBTING.
:lol :metal :metal :metal
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Found this little snippet on Berklee's website
The Opera House show was recorded and will be released as a DVD by Eagle Rock Entertainment. A portion of the sales of the DVD will establish a scholarship in the name of Dream Theater at Berklee.
https://www.berklee.edu/berklee-today/summer-2014/dream-theater%E2%80%99s-homecoming
Didn't know they were establishing a DT scholarship. Pretty cool!
Wow thats really cool and while they formed the band there, they did quit so I dont know if it makes a ton of sense when you think about it, but scholarships are great in general so thats really cool.
True that they did not finish, but DT still cite Berkelee as their school, so it is still positive exposure for the school. And I may be misremembering, but they may have been offered honorary degrees at some point, so they may actually be considered graduating alums.
...and they didn't quit because they thought it sucked, they quit because they wanted to devote 100% of their free time to the band. Plus, they learned a lot in that first year that they were even referencing in DVD commentaries and stuff.
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Not to mention how often they talk about Berklee. They've kinda become Berklee's premiere metal band in a way. So it's cool that they're actually collaborating with both the scholarship and the Boston performance.
Plus now one of Berklee's former profs is in the band. :lol
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I'm surprised they haven't really played at Berklee. I know there was the show in '94 (which was awesome BTW!!) but I thought they'd have gone back to play at some point.
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I'm surprised they haven't really played at Berklee. I know there was the show in '94 (which was awesome BTW!!) but I thought they'd have gone back to play at some point.
Tim, can you name the opening band for that show?
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https://www.berklee.edu/berklee-today/summer-2014/dream-theater%E2%80%99s-homecoming
"Frank Solomon, Dream Theater’s manager, said after the event, “I seriously believe last night was my most inspiring in 16 years of managing the band. Those [students] were so happy and played so well. I had tears in my eyes.”
If you ask me, this just tells the level of what happened that night. I've heard this in person from him and it was truly moving.
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Do you realize how frustrating is for me to read your posts while knowing that Guardians Of Tha Galaxy won't hit my country's theatres until October 22? :sadpanda:
(https://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140408010018/sonicfanchara/images/7/74/HA_HA_-NELSON_SIMPSONS.jpg)
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I'm surprised they haven't really played at Berklee. I know there was the show in '94 (which was awesome BTW!!) but I thought they'd have gone back to play at some point.
Tim, can you name the opening band for that show?
I Mother Earth mother fu#ker! I recorded it and the Providence show the night before.
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I should have known! :lol
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Not to mention how often they talk about Berklee. They've kinda become Berklee's premiere metal band in a way. So it's cool that they're actually collaborating with both the scholarship and the Boston performance.
Before I got into Dream Theater I always heard how they were "Berklee trained musicians." I don't think I knew what Berklee was...but it sounded prestigious.
Then when I found out they dropped out after a year I was like, "oh....ok"
Still seems like they got a lot more out of their one year there than some people I know who went to other schools for four years. :lol
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Yea, I had a similar experience; didn't know what Berklee was until I read about DT going there.
And yea DT might be the only popular Metal band I know that are renowned for what school they went to. I come across a lot of people who never even listened to the band but still know that they went there. Crazy stuff.
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Can't wait :metal
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Found this little snippet on Berklee's website
The Opera House show was recorded and will be released as a DVD by Eagle Rock Entertainment. A portion of the sales of the DVD will establish a scholarship in the name of Dream Theater at Berklee.
So by buying this DVD, not only are we supporting DT, but we're supporting the next generation of DT's. :metal
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I'm surprised they haven't really played at Berklee. I know there was the show in '94 (which was awesome BTW!!) but I thought they'd have gone back to play at some point.
Tim, can you name the opening band for that show?
Don't forget---- the Jon Finn Group. Great act added last minute to the bill by the school.
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https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dream-Theater-Breaking-the-Fourth-Wall-Blu-ray/111213/ :tup :corn :yarr :justjen :metal
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Oh Man! An original and unexpected title for the upcoming bluray....¡ Morever, the release date is just a month from now!!!!!! Anxiously waiting for the official confirmation, cover art and teaser. Hyped and psyched!
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Breaking the fourth wall? What does that mean?
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SWEET!!!! 1 month!! :metal
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Hell yeah! :metal
Breaking the fourth wall? What does that mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall
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Breaking the Fourth Wall? I hope every song ends with JLB making a wise crack and winking at the camera.
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https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dream-Theater-Breaking-the-Fourth-Wall-Blu-ray/111213/ :tup :corn :yarr :justjen :metal
Huh, I wonder if that's a legit title/release date... If so, that's coming up pretty quick and I'd be surprised if an official trailer wasn't released soon.
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Yea I am concerned if that is legit, if its being released in a month, we should have gotten an announcement already or within the next couple days I would think
Can anyone find any relevance to that title? Or anyone know if www.blu-ray.com has been legit in the past with regards to this.
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I guess the title makes sense since they filmed it in an old (and beautiful!) opera house.
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I love the title, hopefully it's legitimate! I was rather expecting a November/December release, so a late September one would indeed be a great and delightful surprise!
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Ah, I just looked up the meaning of the phrase "Breaking the fourth wall" I guess it could make sense given the environment and that the berkley folks were actually in front of the stage (not behind the band like Score), right?
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Breaking the fourth wall? What does that mean?
Kinda like this
(https://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/ShadowNinja38/fourthwall_zps0b7fadbd.jpeg)
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So many fourth walls got broken during that comic. Literal and figuratively.
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Also fifth walls, on at least one occasion.
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Damn it Shadow Ninja I need to read it again.
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[in Tommy Rogers voice]
This is the right choice
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7 minutes...
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Isn't breaking the fourth wall pretty much the same thing as taking the spectator along for the ride? :neverusethis:
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7 minutes...
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 7 MINUTES? :omg:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM&feature=youtu.be
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM&feature=youtu.be
YES!!!
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7 minutes...
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 7 MINUTES? :omg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM&feature=youtu.be
:biggrin:
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Looks to be of at least similar quality to LALP, but this mix definitely sounds better to my ears. I can hear every instrument clearly, and the drum sound is great, not as dry as LALP. The video seems to cover the stage a little better too. JLB sounds perfect, and JP sounds so great that he sounds exactly like JLB! :neverusethis:
Overall, looking great. :tup
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Yea, the look is really crisp and there aren't as many cuts like most concert DVDs which is cool so you get a lot more stable shots which I like.
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Watch the fingers! :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM#t=233
And we still haven't heard how that orchestra is going to sound! :metal
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JP is again maybe too loud but than can be Youtube sound. And I have to say this sounds more live than LALP to me. I'm hyped for release :tup
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JP's guitar sounds perfect volume to me, softer than it is on DT12. Couldn't be much happier with the mix for that song, actually.
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JP is again maybe too loud but than can be Youtube sound. And I have to say this sounds more live than LALP to me. I'm hyped for release :tup
Pretty sure it's the YouTube sound. The master file I have is :metal :metal
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And I have to say this sounds more live than LALP to me. I'm hyped for release :tup
Agreed - also liking the lighting better and less panning all over the place. Could do with a touch more JMX I reckon but as you say that could just be the poor sound file.
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Yep, I think it was quite good. I'm excited for the full performance, would be interesting to see how they handled orchestra sound and all that.
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Watch the fingers! :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM#t=233
And we still haven't heard how that orchestra is going to sound! :metal
Overdubbed or bad sync? Seems like a weird choice of picture-focus if they knew the overdubs weren't identical to what was actually played during the show.
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Yea, the look is really crisp and there aren't as many cuts like most concert DVDs which is cool so you get a lot more stable shots which I like.
Oh yeah, I'm glad it doesn't look like it was edited by someone with ADHD. There could be more audience shots, but the picture quality is great. The mix is better than LALP, although the drum sound (once again) could have more punch and the bass could be louder (I listened with speakers, maybe you can hear it better with headphones).
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Watch the fingers! :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM#t=233
And we still haven't heard how that orchestra is going to sound! :metal
Overdubbed or bad sync? Seems like a weird choice of picture-focus if they knew the overdubs weren't identical to what was actually played during the show.
Looking at the drums, the sync seems to be fine. I think it was just an unfortunate spot to show the close-up!
Oh yeah, I'm glad it doesn't look like it was edited by someone with ADHD. There could be more audience shots, but the quality is great. The mix is better than LALP, although the drum sound (once again) could have more punch and the bass could be louder (I listened with speakers, maybe you can hear it better with headphones).
The bass could be a little louder, although this is a song where the bass isn't as distinctive, so that might be a factor in this case. During the instrumental section, I could hear the bass quite nicely in there. Drums sound pretty punchy to me, a definite an improvement over LALP imo.
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This is going to be great!!
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Breaking the Fourth Wall? I hope every song ends with JLB making a wise crack and winking at the camera.
So do I. :lol
Sounds okay. Pretty much what I was expecting.
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Looks a lot less like an X Factor audition video than LALP . . . .
Less disco lights and Reality TV angles.
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(https://cdn.wmgecom.com/production/media/banners/08152014_DreamTheater_Breakingthe4thwall_PreorderBanners_950x400.jpg?1408634555183)
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JP is again maybe too loud but than can be Youtube sound. And I have to say this sounds more live than LALP to me. I'm hyped for release :tup
Pretty sure it's the YouTube sound. The master file I have is :metal :metal
Could be my headphones as well :P
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Awesome! :metal
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Liking that! Simple and classy.
And I think these are actually the best MM's drums have ever sounded on a DT release.
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Sounds REALLY clean to me!! :metal
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I knew the DVD would be in good hands considering the directors were the ones behind Rush's R30 and Snakes and Arrows Live DVDs and judging by the clip released, it's going to be a fantastic DVD! It doesn't suffer from what I call the Steve Harris Syndrome (watch Maiden's Death On The Road which Steve Harris edited and you get what I mean) and that is always a good thing. IMO, the mix sounds better than Luna Park, Mangini's drum sound on here is the best of the 4 releases he's been on (that would be the ADTOE, DT12, LALP and this upcoming DVD) and the Boston audience sounds more like an audience than the ones at Luna Park which almost sounded like canned applause to my ears. :lol
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On my first watch, I really liked the mix much more than Luna Park. Drums, bass, and keys stood out more in the mix. The drum sound in particular was much nicer. The video shots and cuts were clean and crisp.
I like it!!! :metal :metal
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7 minutes...
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 7 MINUTES? :omg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM&feature=youtu.be
:biggrin:
Had a feeling something like that was up! :lol :metal
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Wow the drums sound GREAT!
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Hey Wey, any details on bonus content, like a doco etc?
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Looks light years ahead of Luna Park already, but by christ that guitar seems loud in the mix to me.
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Really liking the artwork too. Nice and simple
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Here's the bigger picture.
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Hey Wey, any details on bonus content, like a doco etc?
I guess there isnt any because I would have thought it would be included in this:
The collection will be available in multiple configurations including Blu-Ray, a 2 DVD set, and a webstore deluxe exclusive Blu-Ray/3 CD set with poster, all currently available for pre-order via the Roadrunner Records webstore. Furthermore, Dream Theater have premiered a video of “The Looking Glass” (LIVE) taken from BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL (LIVE FROM THE BOSTON OPERA HOUSE) which can be streamed on the band’s official YouTube Channel. All pre-orders for the webstore exclusive will receive an instant download “The Looking Glass” (LIVE).
Usually bonus content is told in that area, but it would be cool if we got some behind the scenes stuff with regards to the Eren and the bands collaboration.
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Hey Wey, any details on bonus content, like a doco etc?
I guess there isnt any because I would have thought it would be included in this:
Actually, the Roadrunner Store page mentions bonus features, albeit without giving details:
Product Description
On March 25th, 2014, Dream Theater performed at the Boston Opera House with very special guests from the Berklee College of Music orchestra and choir. Filmed and directed by Pierre and François Lamoureux, and mixed and mastered by Richard Chycki, Breaking The Fourth Wall (Live From The Boston Opera House) is over 2 hours in length, complete with special bonus features.
Bundle Includes:
Breaking the Fourth Wall Blu-Ray + 3xCD
Breaking the Fourth Wall Poster
Breaking the Fourth Wall Digital MP3 Album
'The Looking Glass' Digital MP3 Single
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preorders for europe?
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Nice artwork! :tup The DVD version includes two discs, so there must be some extras.
Katatonia are also releasing a new DVD in September and I have a bunch of CDs to buy, so hopefully I won't be broke by the end of the month! :lol
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Hey Wey, any details on bonus content, like a doco etc?
I guess there isnt any because I would have thought it would be included in this:
Actually, the Roadrunner Store page mentions bonus features, albeit without giving details:
Product Description
On March 25th, 2014, Dream Theater performed at the Boston Opera House with very special guests from the Berklee College of Music orchestra and choir. Filmed and directed by Pierre and François Lamoureux, and mixed and mastered by Richard Chycki, Breaking The Fourth Wall (Live From The Boston Opera House) is over 2 hours in length, complete with special bonus features.
Bundle Includes:
Breaking the Fourth Wall Blu-Ray + 3xCD
Breaking the Fourth Wall Poster
Breaking the Fourth Wall Digital MP3 Album
'The Looking Glass' Digital MP3 Single
Oh nice, it would be surprising and unprecedented to have a DT dvd without them. But then again they released a DVD only a year ago.
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Looks light years ahead of Luna Park already, but by christ that guitar seems loud in the mix to me.
Couldn't agree more. It's as bad the first few songs on Luna Park for me.
Let's hope it's a YouTube issue as Wey intimated. In my experience, though, a bad mix on a YouTube video usually turns out to be a bad mix on the blu-ray or CD. Time will tell - hopefully I'll be wrong on this occasion.
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The last week in September is a busy one for prog releases, with Flying Colors and Enchant releasing albums that week as well.
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This is miles better than Live at Luna Park. The filmography is better executed, the mix is way (WAY) better and it sounds solid. Very solid.
Amazing. And it's coming really soon. :smiley:
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The only bonus feature I want is Video Screen mode, where I just watch the videos for the background with the live sound.
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The only bonus feature I want is Video Screen mode, where I just watch the videos for the background with the live sound.
That would be very nice. I'd love to see just the live visuals for songs like Trial of Tears with the live audio.
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This is miles better than Live at Luna Park. The filmography is better executed, the mix is way (WAY) better and it sounds solid. Very solid.
Interesting, because the vast majority of opinions on Luna Park I heard were overwhelmingly positive, almost to the point where I thought they couldn't improve.
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Oh my God, it comes out ON MY BIRTHDAY! So excited for it!
Then again, this won't arrive to my country until a while passes; which is sad.
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No DVD + 3CDs bundle...
The artwork looks fantastic...Might get that one with the poster and the DVD version through Ebay or Amazon.
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Man, this certainly may be MM's best drum sound on a DT release yet... His tom fills in the intro sound glorious.
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Nice, wasn't expecting this to be released so soon. Sounds better than LALP I think, it seems a bit more...'live'. Though I would still prefer keys+bass a bit louder in the mix.
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Looks incredible!! Luna Park didn't really wow me like I expected for some reason, but I have a feeling this one will. Love the artwork, the video and everything. What is the "fourth wall" though?
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Nice! It looks great. I won't comment on the sound until I hear how the Blu-ray sounds, as opposed to just on YT.
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Looks incredible!! Luna Park didn't really wow me like I expected for some reason, but I have a feeling this one will. Love the artwork, the video and everything. What is the "fourth wall" though?
The invisible wall between the performers and the audience. Had to look that up myself.
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Here's the bigger picture.
Am I the first one that got this? ;)
This sounds amazing and I like the classy cover, but I'm not too sure about the way the footage looks. Some of it looks like being shot from the audience by a fan for the purpose of being uploaded on youtube. Also, the guys at Eagle Rock still need to learn that the band has a bass player, for God's sake!
Nevertheless, I can't wait to get this. Being that I bought LALP beginning of January, I hope to get this by the end of the year - that would be two new DT video releases during the same year. :metal
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What is the "fourth wall" though?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall
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HOLY CRAP THIS IS AWESEEEOMMMMMMMMEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
IHGSDJHV :censored :censored Dream Theater is the greatest!! To come out with a release that is SO opposite of the direction of the last makes things so exciting and hopeful for the future. It's like, for any of the people who weren't on board with the approach of LALP, here's something you'll love. Doesn't mean every concert DVD from now on will be this way, but we do know we can expect things to be shaken up each and every time. :)
We went from loud guitar, touched up vocals, and fancy video shots, to a more raw live- sounding but equal mix, with plain and slow panned camera angles covering large portions of the stage.
Still not happy? Well (you're stupid, but..) I'm sure next time we'll have something different again with new music!
Edit: OMG and I didn't even mention the timing! This time we're given an actual release DATE as the first information rather than an estimation with the trailer months in advance. Aside from the fact that it was delayed last time, which was a bummer, anyone may like one approach more than the other. But I think it's pretty awesome that this was made and flipped around so fast, and that they chose to its give us a song, a release date, a title, and a pre-order just a month before its release!!!
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After watching The Looking Glass video, I am so pumped. And the wait is only a little over a month away. F*** yes.
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Here's the bigger picture.
Am I the first one that got this? ;)
This sounds amazing and I like the classy cover, but I'm not too sure about the way the footage looks. Some of it looks like being shot from the audience by a fan for the purpose of being uploaded on youtube. Also, the guys at Eagle Rock still need to learn that the band has a bass player, for God's sake!
Nevertheless, I can't wait to get this. Being that I bought LALP beginning of January, I hope to get this by the end of the year - that would be two new DT video releases during the same year. :metal
I wouldn't judge video based on Youtube! Youtube has a pretty low bitrate, so even at 720p, it's not going to look as sharp as the final release.
And I'm amazed that some people didn't know what the fourth wall refers to.
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Yea I thought that was kinda funny too, maybe it's not a phrase that is used around the whole world, just certain countries?
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I wonder who did the artwork. It doesn't have a Hugh Syme feel to me at first glance. It's probably him though.
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Yea I thought that was kinda funny too, maybe it's not a phrase that is used around the whole world, just certain countries?
That's a strong possibility for other languages, but it's a well known term in the major English speaking countries.
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Sounds great, looks great. I've had my complaints about MM's drum sound on ADTOE and DT12 but he sounds really good here. Love the title.
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I'm surprised it's coming out this quick. Usually these things take many months to come out after they're announced.
The digital bundle is mp3 format not flac? Mp3's don't work well with live albums because of the gaps.
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Yea I thought that was kinda funny too, maybe it's not a phrase that is used around the whole world, just certain countries?
I'm not a native speaker, but I already knew what "the fourth wall" is. I'm not surprised if someone hasn't come across the term, though.
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I'm surprised it's coming out this quick. Usually these things take many months to come out after they're announced.
The digital bundle is mp3 format not flac? Mp3's don't work well with live albums because of the gaps.
If you want lossless format, buy the CD and rip it.
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now THAT was a nice surprise.
Judging by the TLG video, this DVD is quite different soundwise and videowise. Cool :tup
I hope that the Enigma Machine cartoon, the youtube mix and the FAS intro are in the extras :metal :metal
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Hot damn that looked and sounded great!
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This is greeeeaaat! So pre-ordered. Gonna be one long month but totally worth it :metal
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Looks great!!. And sounds a ton better than LALP. Will definitely buy.
And ....
... the solo was rerecorded. 3:50 is different from what JP plays.
EDIT: And I actually don't get why. I just listened to the bootleg, and the flub was totally fine.
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Where would one find the preoorder page? I clicked the link in the YT description and it took me to the DT12 page
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Where would one find the preoorder page? I clicked the link in the YT description and it took me to the DT12 page
RoadRunners webstore:
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/dream-theater.html?intcmp=140818%2Fdtheater%2Frr%2Fspl%2Fs_pr%2Fbut%2Fbdy%2Fus%2F4thwallpreorder_webstore
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I'm surprised it's coming out this quick. Usually these things take many months to come out after they're announced.
The digital bundle is mp3 format not flac? Mp3's don't work well with live albums because of the gaps.
If you want lossless format, buy the CD and rip it.
I don't, I want a seamless transition between songs. If you're going to offer a digital download of a live album, don't make it a format with gaps for the sake of file size. And not everyone has the kind of money to afford the CD set.
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Wow, at least 4 different packages they are releasing, and still complaints about how none of them fits a particular person's specific tastes. Must be Dream Theater release time. :lol
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The digital bundle is mp3 format not flac? Mp3's don't work well with live albums because of the gaps.
Methinks you need a better MP3 player.
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I couldn't help but notice something. During the final run of that solo at around 3:55, it's clear that an overdub is being used there. This is disappointing... I know a lot of bands do it, and DT has done it in the past but wow, is it ever obvious in this moment.
I'm still gonna buy it because it sounds better than LALP and that artwork is very striking.
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I couldn't help but notice something. During the final run of that solo at around 3:55, it's clear that an overdub is being used there. This is disappointing... I know a lot of bands do it, and DT has done it in the past but wow, is it ever obvious in this moment.
I mentioned the same thing above, yeah.
It's weird, because on the bootleg you can hear a slight flub, but it's super-subtle and honestly, it shows that JP is human. They should have left it, because of course this overdub really stands out when they show JP's playing so clode.
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*crosses fingers for extensive tour documentary a'la Chaos in Motion or Riding the Train of Thought*
Also, the filmography is beautiful. It reminds me somewhat of Live at Budokan, where you could really taste the light show.
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*crosses fingers for audio commentary track*
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Dat snare tho
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*crosses fingers for audio commentary track*
*crosses fingers in agreement*
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*crosses Zydar's bitches legs*
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Wow JLB sounds great! :o If he sounds like that for the entire show, this could rival Score for vocal performance. It's damn near perfect. He was great at the show I saw too, he's almost better than ever right now.
For people at the show: Are these vocals touched up or did he really sound that great that night?
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La Brie sounding awesome, by the way. The only criticism is I think JP's guitars could sound wider.
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Funny how some people aren't familiar with the "fourth wall" thing. I assume it's because that's an expression which comes from the theater (the "wall" between you and your audience), and the album is named Dream Theater. Wink wink nudge nudge.
Too bad they didn't refer to Awake or SFAM in the DVD's name :P And I can't wait for it, my only problem is the tiny sync mistakes but otherwise it's stunning.
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There's something odd going on with the audio for that YT video. The instant gratification MP3 when you pre-order sounds different. More crowd noise (awesome), lower volume guitar, and the (so called) JP flub-up is intact.
The only criticism is I think JP's guitars could sound wider.
Which it does in the above mentioned MP3.
Different audio between DVD and CD?
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You can just barely see the back of my head in the video!! :D The video looks and sounds great, and MM sounds lightyears ahead of what he has on his previous DT releases. The overdubbing is disappointing, but hopefully it'll just be quite minor. I love the title and artwork as well!!!
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There's something odd going on with the audio for that YT video. The instant gratification MP3 when you pre-order sounds different. More crowd noise (awesome), lower volume guitar, and the (so called) JP flub-up is intact.
Different audio between DVD and CD?
That would be so weird. Isn't that twice the editing effort?
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There's something odd going on with the audio for that YT video. The instant gratification MP3 when you pre-order sounds different. More crowd noise (awesome), lower volume guitar, and the (so called) JP flub-up is intact.
Different audio between DVD and CD?
That would be so weird. Isn't that twice the editing effort?
Maybe the pre-order MP3 came from an earlier mix?
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Wow JLB sounds great! :o If he sounds like that for the entire show, this could rival Score for vocal performance. It's damn near perfect. He was great at the show I saw too, he's almost better than ever right now.
For people at the show: Are these vocals touched up or did he really sound that great that night?
I agree. I really love the way he sounds nowadays. I wasn't there but I'm pretty good at being able to tell with him when there's overdubs, and I think it was only on the word "gold" in "gold mine" because if you on look at his mouth and other videos from the tour, he always says "goowwwld". Also maybe "digging" since he usually opens that up maybe a bit more too. But all in all, I think I will be WAY happier with the vocal rawness on this DVD than the last. It looks like maybe one or two words per song at most, which is awesome.
edit: I'll take that back for "digging", that actually sounds natural. Which is even more awesome :metal
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There's something odd going on with the audio for that YT video. The instant gratification MP3 when you pre-order sounds different. More crowd noise (awesome), lower volume guitar, and the (so called) JP flub-up is intact.
Different audio between DVD and CD?
That would be so weird. Isn't that twice the editing effort?
Maybe the pre-order MP3 came from an earlier mix?
Huh, well that's interesting... I usually don't pre-order this kind of thing, but now I'm kind of enticed to, just to compare, haha :lol
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Oooh maybe they meant to fix the "flub" for the CD but keep it on the DVD since you can see his fingers, but they accidentally reversed it here... Or maybe purposely so when you buy the DVD and CD you'll see it the other way for variation :lol
Whatever it is, I'd like to see the DVD with the untouched solo so it matches. Maybe/Hopefully that's how it'll be once it comes out.
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I may be wrong, kids. Don't make purchasing decisions based off my poor hearing.
I just did my best to sync the video with my MP3 and while I'm willing to stand by the louder crowd noise and lower volume guitar, the guitar solo video still looks off compared to the audio right at the end.
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So I'm confused. Can I buy the CD and the DVD? Or do I have to buy the CD with the BR and then get the DVD seperately.
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Argh just watched the video. The camera missed my favourite bit (when I saw it live) which is at the start of the 2nd verse and MM is just nailing that cymbal with his right hand superman speed style. You can kinda see it from afar but wouldve liked that close up!
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Argh just watched the video. The camera missed my favourite bit (when I saw it live) which is at the start of the 2nd verse and MM is just nailing that cymbal with his right hand superman speed style. You can kinda see it from afar but wouldve liked that close up!
I would have liked to see the camera on JM and his bass interlude after the second chorus and just before JPs solo.
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... the solo was rerecorded. 3:50 is different from what JP plays.
EDIT: And I actually don't get why. I just listened to the bootleg, and the flub was totally fine.
I just checked the boot too. It sounded fine. I had no idea there was a flub.
Listening to the boot since the show, I have thought that JP was especially dialed in on his solos. I thought the Space Dye Vest was the best one I've heard from the tour. Really precise.
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Wow, exciting news for a Thursday!
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So I'm confused. Can I buy the CD and the DVD? Or do I have to buy the CD with the BR and then get the DVD seperately.
Yes, you will have to buy the CDS with the BR and get the DVD. CDs are only inlcuded in the blu ray deluxe package.
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That's fucked up. If they really want to make it Deluxe, maybe they could include a BR player! :biggrin:
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So I'm confused. Can I buy the CD and the DVD? Or do I have to buy the CD with the BR and then get the DVD seperately.
Yes, you will have to buy the CDS with the BR and get the DVD. CDs are only inlcuded in the blu ray deluxe package.
For me it's not a problem as I tend to buy all the DVDs/Blurays anyway, but what the hell happened to live albums?? It's pretty dumb that you can't just buy the music for $25, you have to get it in a $50 package. What if you don't have a bluray player? What if you don't watch live DVDs? Why can't I go to the store and buy a three-CD package like I could with Score? (and Luna Park? was that available as an album?). In any case, IMO there should always be the option of just buying the CDs...
Enough ranting though... I am really excited to see this concert again. They were TIGHT this night!
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No track list yet. Set list?
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No track list yet. Set list?
I'm pretty sure it's this:
False Awakening Suite (intro tape)
1. The Enemy Inside
2. The Shattered Fortress
3. On the Backs of Angels
4. The Looking Glass
5. Trial of Tears
6. Enigma Machine (w/ drum solo)
7. Along for the Ride
8. Breaking All Illusions
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Bad Larry cartoon
9. The Mirror
10. Lie
11. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
12. Scarred
13. Space-Dye Vest
14. Illumination Theory
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15. Overture 1928
16. Strange Deja-Vu
17. The Dance of Eternity
18. Finally Free
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This is a must-buy-release as all DT releases are. The title was suprising! Looks like a standard DT live release, I hope that there is some nice bonus footage. They have at least many screen footage videos, Mika Tyyskä's Enigma Machine video should be there at least!
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I'm definitely hoping for some behind the scenes footage. I'm always looking forward to seeing that sort of stuff.
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That's fucked up. If they really want to make it Deluxe, maybe they could include a BR player! :biggrin:
You old bastard.
:lol
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If ANY of you haven't seen the intro video...
:hefdaddy
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Great news for a dontgiveashitThursday. :metal
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If there's any bonus footage, why isn't it mentioned anywhere? I guess it can't be anything big like a documentary then :-[
In other news, I just realised what an amazing setlist they have on this release! Damn. I'm pretty sure I'll pre-order it at my local record store when it's available.
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So I'm confused. Can I buy the CD and the DVD? Or do I have to buy the CD with the BR and then get the DVD seperately.
Yes, you will have to buy the CDS with the BR and get the DVD. CDs are only inlcuded in the blu ray deluxe package.
For me it's not a problem as I tend to buy all the DVDs/Blurays anyway, but what the hell happened to live albums?? It's pretty dumb that you can't just buy the music for $25, you have to get it in a $50 package. What if you don't have a bluray player? What if you don't watch live DVDs? Why can't I go to the store and buy a three-CD package like I could with Score? (and Luna Park? was that available as an album?). In any case, IMO there should always be the option of just buying the CDs...
Enough ranting though... I am really excited to see this concert again. They were TIGHT this night!
I will assume it is available digitally for people who just want the music and it maximizes profits for people who really want the actual CDs. Just my guess.
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New Bluray is good news but doesn't that mean the tour is done?
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Seems to me that JP is actually singing in the video. I was right! :xbones
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Holy :censored, I don't get on DTF for a couple days because of school and this happens. I finally have something else to spend money on! Really loving the trailer so far, and I definitely agree the drum sound is better. Those kicks sound sexy.
I am so excite :metal :tup :omg: ;D :corn
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Hey guys, I just tried pre-ordering on roadrunner's store and when I clicked place order it took forever and then it just said your cart is empty. I didn't get a confirmation page or email. Did any of you guys? Also, when I went back to the store it still showed the bundle in my cart, but when I clicked to go back to the cart it said it was empty. Dafuq? If any of you folks could shine some light on this it'd be great. I don't know if my order went through or not.
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First thing I saw this morning when I woke up (thanks Eren!). I'm so absolutely excited. Really like the sound, especially MM's. A loud, pounding and punching snare and clear cymbal sound for once. Also, LaBrie's performance was flawless here. I reckon it won't be that way the whole show (unless he's overdubbed), but I'm still quite sure he'll be nothing short of excellent. I haven't heard the bootleg and won't hear it now either :lol I'll keep myself happy with the O2 Apollo one.
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*crosses fingers for audio commentary track*
I'm crossing mine too but I'm sure its futile.
Otherwise, this is great fucking news and I can't wait.
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Prefer the look of this to the Luna Park dvd. Setlist will be infinitely better too.
I can't get used to Glenn Danzig on drums though... :biggrin:
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Wow, cool! The title is great, the art is great, and the audio on the video sounded better than on LATP. This should be great! FINALLY a good mix/sound of MM's drums!
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15-18! :o
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Might just pre-order this to ensure I get it pronto. Definitely like the camera work on this better than LALP.
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Yikes! The shipping is $15! I think I'll just go to the store and buy it. I'm sure they'll carry the Blu-Ray + 3CD version.
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I wonder how hard it can be to mix bass? All you need is a DI signal and it can easily sound like a studio recording. Sometimes I think I couldn've done a better job, and certainly with the bass.
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I can't get used to Glenn Danzig on drums though... :biggrin:
(https://home.comcast.net/~gregg-townsend/danzinie.jpg)
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Mother! Do you wanna bang drums with me?!
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:lol :lol
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Till your bleeeeeeding!
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Something tells me I'm going to enjoy this DVD a lot more than I did Luna Park...which is a lot.
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Much better than LALP.
The audio sounds mono here though. Hopefully it won't be like this on the official release.
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I already like this a lot more than Luna Park.
By the way, does anyone know what those pedals do that JM's hitting towards the end? I've never noticed those before.
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Extremely excited for this, great title/artwork!
Nothing said about the tracklisting though....I assume they're keeping the whole setlist, but I just wanna be sure cuz some bands cut songs out of the dvd that were played for the filming. Why, I don't know cuz it's really aggravating.
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I have no idea why DT would do that. There's plenty of room on the blu ray.
A lot of concert videos with cut songs seem to be ones recorded in the VHS era that had to be cut down to fit on a tape. It's completely arbitrary now and not as common. And DT hasn't done that since Scenes From New York (a VHS release) so that shouldn't be an issue.
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Considering how adamant they were about this particular set being this whole, "Complete" experience, I highly doubt they'd do that. Especially since LALP ended up including EXTRA songs from the second set.
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I already like this a lot more than Luna Park.
By the way, does anyone know what those pedals do that JM's hitting towards the end? I've never noticed those before.
He's been using those for quite a while. I think he took the idea from Geddy Lee, who needed them to do the bass lines when he was playing keyboards. Whether JM actually needs to double his own bass is a different question, but maybe he just bought it at some point and gets a kick out of using it.
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I like the sound, though Jordan is nowhere near loud enough. I do like the drums better than on DT12; there were a few things, such as the cymbals during JP's solo, that I had not heard on the record.
Edit: Ooh, September 30. That is the same day as the BTBAM Bluray. I am even more excited now.
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I already like this a lot more than Luna Park.
By the way, does anyone know what those pedals do that JM's hitting towards the end? I've never noticed those before.
Either bass notes or synth notes.
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FWIW, I doubt there is a commentary. They are still on the tour that this is a chronicle from, so I doubt they took any time to sit down and record a commentary.
But I hope I'm wrong.
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That was such an MP thing anyway. From listening to those commentaries I always felt like JLB was the only other guy who was very into it. Everyone else was kinda just along for the ride (:neverusethis:). Would love to be proven wrong though.
How about an album doc though? We know they filmed the recording sessions, it'd be so awesome to get a full length making of doc.
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This is shaping up to be the perfect remedy for the disappointment which was LALP. Great looks & sound, couldn't be happier.
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I'm just wondering what kinds of other special features it'll have. I'm betting on something or other being done multi-angle. But I'm hoping for another documentary as well. And a stand alone animation of the intro, that thing was godly!
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Oh man yea. I'm usually not too interested in the standalone intros but this one is a must.
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FWIW, I doubt there is a commentary. They are still on the tour that this is a chronicle from, so I doubt they took any time to sit down and record a commentary.
But I hope I'm wrong.
That's what I was thinking. I don't know that they would have been able to squeeze in time for it, and without MP, I don't see them doing it. Would love to eventually hear a commentary with the current lineup though!
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Whoa! What a cool cover art!
It looks and sounds great :p Totally waiting for this shit!
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can they rerecord DT12 with this drum sound? the metals sound glorious.
the comments section of the YT video is very annoying. Totally hijacked by fans who just can not get over the fact that MP has already gone.
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THIS is why i love Dream Theater. Wow, what a fascinatingly original title for a live release. When you think about it, the Blu Ray title ties in the DT12 self titled theme: the concept of an artist addressing the audience, and the artist addressing themselves. Metaphorically speaking, it is continuation (or an extension) of the dialogue between artist and listener.
Artwork brainteaser is a nice a wink to the MC Escher fans out there.
Folks - this is an accurate representation of what I heard that night at the opera house - it really captures that raw energy and not a lot of fiddling of the dynamics or tone here.
However, I did hear whispers that JP overdubbed a new tag at the end of his solo for Looking Glass. Anyone with a boot recording notice this? Not that I care, just curious is all.
EDIT: How killer is that transition into Trial of Tears? Quite killer. The answer is quite killer.
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Is this the first time since 8VM where they didn't use Hugh Syme for their artwork? Or at least since SC? (cause for some reason, I doubt Score was Syme) Or maybe this is Syme's work and just very different from the stuff he's been doing for DT?
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I am enjoying the fact that there is at least some crowd noise. JLB was getting more audience participation this time. And I dont know about Boston but when I saw them and they played Strange De Ja Vu I think we singing it as loud as James! I hope that comes across compared to the 'nothing' that ended up on LALP (due to editing)
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Seems to me that JP is actually singing in the video. I was right! :xbones
Yes and no. From my front row vantage point beneath JP's mic stand, I agreed with you - he sings on The Looking Glass (although there are backing tracks on the word "gravity") and that settles it. Then they played the Mirror where he is abjectly lip syncing and it quickly unsettled it. :P
By the way, Looking Glass features some amazing video "graphics", especially the intro riff. It worked so well in sync with the live performance that it changed my mind on the song itself. Thought i should give it some props since its not prominently featured in the final cut.
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I wasn't able to attend the show in Helsinki this year, so i am totally getting this.
Set list is pretty legit as well, and the new songs sound better live than they do on the record!
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I wasn't able to attend the show in Helsinki this year, so i am totally getting this.
Well hello fellow Finn! I too wasn't at the show so this is a must-buy-release.
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I like this so much more than the Luna Park video and audio editing. I think I have seen Myung more in this 5 minute clip than on the complete Luna Park DVD.
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Has anyone preordered and received their download of TLG to compare the quality yet?
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Has anyone preordered and received their download of TLG to compare the quality yet?
Yes, it sounds much better, especially keyboards. Much more audible. Also this is MM's best drum sound in my opinion, and at last you can hear the cymbals more clearly.
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I don't understand how Petrucci has that awful tone with all that Amazing gear.
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FWIW, I doubt there is a commentary. They are still on the tour that this is a chronicle from, so I doubt they took any time to sit down and record a commentary.
I am inclined to agree with you. But on the flipside, if you really think about it, it does not seem like doing a commentary is a lot of extra work or big time commitment. It basically entails maybe six hours or so total: Watching the show through once to get a feel for how it looks and what went on (which at least some of the members probably did anyway as part of vetting it for release), and then setting through the whole thing in one shot to comment on it as it is playing. In that respect, it is different from, say, filming a scene where you can spend hours and hours doing a 15 minute shoot. In this context, it is just "play the concert and start spontaneously talking about it."
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If you think about it, commentary with Mike would be awesome, he is very enthusiastic and funny, so it would be very interesting.
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Then they played the Mirror where he is abjectly lip syncing and it quickly unsettled it. :P
I'm pretty sure this is an artifact of the horrible live sound, as JP was overtaken by backing track and likewise the ragtime was overtaken by JP.
I don't understand how Petrucci has that awful tone with all that Amazing gear.
He's trying to imitate a Royal Atlantic that's trying to imitate Lifeson.
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Again, JP with the lip synching. :facepalm:
He even makes the "screaming face" as if he's singing the high part.
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Again, JP with the lip synching. :facepalm:
He even makes the "screaming face" as if he's singing the high part.
Yeah, my guess is that he's making that face because he's actually singing the notes. You might want to check your facts before you make silly accusations.
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I think some are still under the foolish impression that just because we can't hear him singing that that he means he isn't singing, rather than the obvious, which is that he singing, but very low in the mix at times or singing along to a pre-recorded backing vocal that is higher in the mix.
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Again, JP with the lip synching. :facepalm:
He even makes the "screaming face" as if he's singing the high part.
Yeah, my guess is that he's making that face because he's actually singing the notes.
GTFO
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Again, JP with the lip synching. :facepalm:
He even makes the "screaming face" as if he's singing the high part.
Yeah, my guess is that he's making that face because he's actually singing the notes. You might want to check your facts before you make silly accusations.
Relax!
On LALP, are you saying JP is ACTUALLY singing the screams on BMUBMD?
'Cause he does it there too.
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If you think about it, commentary with Mike would be awesome, he is very enthusiastic and funny, so it would be very interesting.
Agreed. Also the fact that he would be a new voice in the commentary that hasn't been heard before would be cool. I'm sure he could provide interesting details about how he learned particular songs or tough sections, the lighting and video cues, etc...
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It's so annoying that every time DT releases any promo video for anything, it's not available in my country :|
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Whether or not JP is singing, I think everyone can agree that except for the odd section here and there (including one on The Looking Glass), he's nearly inaudible. Personally, I wish we could hear his voice always. Yeah, I get that he doesn't necessarily have the best voice and probably messes up much more often than James does, but in my opinion it sounds better more often than not to have a second voice audible in the mix. On record it's fine if they want to just have James sing more than one part, but on live albums I'd like to be able to John singing whatever parts he does actually sing. And if he messes up, they can either have him overdub it later (which I would significantly prefer to just editing or mixing his voice out) or leave the mistake intact to preserve the uncorrected nature of the performance on the release.
Aside from that, this new release seems cool. I think the name is interesting; far better than the names of any of their past live releases. I am disappointed that I can't get a DVD/CD set—I haven't any use for a BluRay but I would like to have all the audio and visual discs. It may not matter that much, though, as this one probably won't be a priority for me. I might get the DVD for Christmas or something, though.
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I've never really got into the whole HD Tracks thing , so forgive me if I'm barking up the wrong tree , but is it possible the CD files might be made available in high res digital format for those who bought the DVDs and want the CD?? Just a thought to check out later.
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It's so annoying that every time DT releases any promo video for anything, it's not available in my country :|
Zenmate is your friend. Very useful for that kind of things.
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I think some are still under the foolish impression that just because we can't hear him singing that that he means he isn't singing, rather than the obvious, which is that he singing, but very low in the mix at times or singing along to a pre-recorded backing vocal that is higher in the mix.
Honestly, I fault DT for this, same as I fault Rush at times with Lifeson. We know they are singing because *at times* you can hear them, however if you're going to use a backing track you need to adjust levels so that the people singing can be heard at least on level with the backing tracks, otherwise it ends up looking silly.
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I've never really got into the whole HD Tracks thing , so forgive me if I'm barking up the wrong tree , but is it possible the CD files might be made available in high res digital format for those who bought the DVDs and want the CD?? Just a thought to check out later.
Well, Luna Park was never released on HDTracks, but I assume it's possible that such a thing could happen. I'm one of those people who wants to have actual CDs, though, so I'd really prefer being able to buy that without buying also the BluRay.
See, I think the best way to do live releases is to set a price for the CD set, a price for the DVD set and a price for the BluRay set. And then they could sell a set of, for example, BluRay+CD, at a price that's like $5-$10 lower than the price of the BluRay plus the price of the CD. And same thing for DVD+CD and perhaps also for Blu-Ray+DVD+CD. This whole "hope they have a set in the specific configuration that you want" thing is kind of silly. They may think that they're increasing profits by luring people who want CDs to a more expensive package, and that might be so for some people, but I'm more likely to just skip the CD than buy a BluRay that I don't want just to get it.
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I never thought I'd be "that" guy, but I've gotten a little tired of every new release by every band getting waves of commentary regarding the YouTube teaser sounding bad. :lol
Personally, I'm pumped for this. I loved the setlist this past tour.
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If JP is singing, they should either ditch the backing tracks or make sure he's audible. It looks ridiculous this way, no wonder people think he's lip syncing.
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I think some are still under the foolish impression that just because we can't hear him singing that that he means he isn't singing, rather than the obvious, which is that he singing, but very low in the mix at times or singing along to a pre-recorded backing vocal that is higher in the mix.
Honestly, I fault DT for this, same as I fault Rush at times with Lifeson. We know they are singing because *at times* you can hear them, however if you're going to use a backing track you need to adjust levels so that the people singing can be heard at least on level with the backing tracks, otherwise it ends up looking silly.
I don't know that there is anything to "blame" them for. The thing is, John doesn't want to be higher up in the mix. He wants to do a harmony that is much lower in the mix. I realize it may look odd at times when we cannot pick his voice out, but we can see him totally going for something that looks like it is challenging for him. But he just wants his voice to blend in lightly in the background. That's what he explained to me when I asked him about it. And I get it.
Here's an example that kind of illustrates what they are doing: I will submit to you that most of us do not hear a lot of what is going on in backing tracks on albums. An example that helped me see this point rather vividly was when I entered a contest years back where Queensryche would send you an instrumental backing track for some of their songs, and you could record your own lead part and send it back, and if it was good enough, you got picked as a finalist to compete to sing onstage with the band. I got mine, and when listening to the instumental only demos, I was shocked at the fact that with the lead vocals missing, I could hear backing vocals very low in the mix that I had never even realized were there. I could not consciously hear them because of the much more clear and dominant (and louder) lead. But they absolutely enhanced the lead vocal once the whole thing was mixed together.
The last time I saw DT, I was there when they were sound checking On The Backs Of Angels and part of The Enemy Inside. For whatever reason, James did not come out for soundcheck, so it was only the band. Without James singing lead, and with a much quieter auditorium (there were only three of us there, not counting Frank Aresti and his wife, who were watching from stage left), and standing just a few feet from John, I could hear exactly what he was singing and could hear how low he was in the mix, and how his harmonies would not necessarily be very audible once we had James loudly singing lead and an auditorium full of screaming fans. And I could also hear how his harmonies, despite being very low in the mix, would enhance the lead vocal even if you could not pick them out, much like the soft harmonies in that Queensryche instrumental track that I mentioned above.
So, we might not necessarily agree with the decision as fans, but it is a conscious decision by the band, and I get the rationale.
Again, JP with the lip synching. :facepalm:
He even makes the "screaming face" as if he's singing the high part.
Yeah, my guess is that he's making that face because he's actually singing the notes. You might want to check your facts before you make silly accusations.
Relax!
On LALP, are you saying JP is ACTUALLY singing the screams on BMUBMD?
'Cause he does it there too.
I am quite relaxed, but I find it comical and misinformed to make such a dumb statement.
And as to your question, I think it is highly unlikely that John is doubling the main scream that we are hearing in James' voice. That is James on the backing track. But based on what I know from what I have seen and heard myself, I can say two things with different degrees of certainty: (1) I am fairly certain (I would say in the 80-90% range) that he is actually singing something and not lip synching. (2) My educated guess is that he is not mirroring James' scream that you hear in the backing track, but is "screaming" a harmony with it that is much lower in the mix. (he does a similar thing on the parts in "The Mirror" where the lead "spoken word" part is definitely the backing track, and JP is doing a low harmony. It is much harder to hear because he is so low in the mix and is also basically "speaking" the note at low volume on top of that, but he is definitely not faking it)
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If JP is singing, they should either ditch the backing tracks or make sure he's audible. It looks ridiculous this way, no wonder people think he's lip syncing.
This. It looks silly on LALP, and it looks silly here. If he's singing, why wouldn't they either use those vocals in the mix or dub them if they weren't up to scratch? The more live it is, the better. With the canned background vocals, it's hard to tell the ADTOE stuff apart from the studio versions on LALP.
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I personally found nothing exciting to hear here.. look, the band members obviously did a good job playing this song. But, the song sounds almost exactly like the studio version, and the drums sound dead.. again. I was hoping they would have fixed that, but no. The argument that it's just 'youtube quality' is not valid at all; the sounds and the mix of it are as they are. Of course the finished product will sound better (higher bitrate and all), but it's not as if the drums will suddenly sound alive. And was that snare triggered? Not a good decision at all IMO.
Guess I'm going to have to accept that I like the MP era DVD's very much, and the recent DVD's not so much. I was just hoping it'd be a completely different animal, but DT (or should I say Richard Chycki) again opts for a live registration that is mixed and mastered as if it were a modern studio production. I miss the more open and powerful sound of LSFNY and Score.
Sorry for all the negativity, I do still love the band and the playing is all top notch, that's why I'm so disappointed with how their recent material is produced.
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I dont know, the drums sound so much better to my ears and if you dont like it, thats fine as its your opinion, but i also disagree that it is significantly different than LALP based on this one video. The camera angles are much better IMO which I really enjoy.
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The weak sounding drums were one thing that bothered me on LALP, but these drums definitely sound more powerful and pleasant to me. They sound like what the DT12 drums were meant to sound like.
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On LALP, are you saying JP is ACTUALLY singing the screams on BMUBMD?
'Cause he does it there too.
In addition to the screaming and the lead melody there's a lower harmony in that section, which is probably what JP is singing.
Anyway, hopefully his voice will be mixed higher this time, because his backing vocals were perfectly audible and sounded good when I saw them live.
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In BMUBMD, that part with the scream is a three part harmony, not two part. John (audible or not, and I think toward the beginning of the tour he was more audible) is singing the lowest harmony, James sings the middle, and the track has the high screams. John's part is the one that stays on the same note for all 6 words.
Edit- ninjad and just barely!
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the drums sound dead.. again.
You must not have listened to the same thing I did.
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HAs this NOT been posted yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DI7E_QvetVM
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HAs this NOT been posted yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DI7E_QvetVM
What do you think we are all talking about? :biggrin:
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Bosk, what you're saying from an audio perspective I COMPLETELY get and agree with. That said, from a visual perspective, it's still silly. I understand why it's done the way it does, but that doesn't keep it from looking silly to myself, and obviously many others. I suppose there really isn't much that can be done about it, while keeping the audio John wants in tact, so it will go on looking silly to us.
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The weak sounding drums were one thing that bothered me on LALP, but these drums definitely sound more powerful and pleasant to me. They sound like what the DT12 drums were meant to sound like.
Pretty much my thoughts as well.
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The weak sounding drums were one thing that bothered me on LALP, but these drums definitely sound more powerful and pleasant to me. They sound like what the DT12 drums were meant to sound like.
Pretty much my thoughts as well.
Agreed. A HUGE step up drum-sound wise from their previous three rteleases with Mangini.
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The weak sounding drums were one thing that bothered me on LALP, but these drums definitely sound more powerful and pleasant to me. They sound like what the DT12 drums were meant to sound like.
Yup.
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It's so annoying that every time DT releases any promo video for anything, it's not available in my country :|
Zenmate is your friend. Very useful for that kind of things.
thanks :heart
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Soon.
Too soon?!
:lol
It's just a matter of time, yo.
I think you mean ONLY a matter of time...
ahuhuhuh, so punny! :rollin
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See, I think the best way to do live releases is to set a price for the CD set, a price for the DVD set and a price for the BluRay set. And then they could sell a set of, for example, BluRay+CD, at a price that's like $5-$10 lower than the price of the BluRay plus the price of the CD. And same thing for DVD+CD and perhaps also for Blu-Ray+DVD+CD. This whole "hope they have a set in the specific configuration that you want" thing is kind of silly. They may think that they're increasing profits by luring people who want CDs to a more expensive package, and that might be so for some people, but I'm more likely to just skip the CD than buy a BluRay that I don't want just to get it.
+1. They must think all DT fans are rich. I sure don't have time to watch a live DVD, but I can blast the CD's in my car, where I spend a lot of my time.
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Some really unorthodox YouTube comments under the video, it's like those guys live in a parallel universe:
Portnoy leaving isn't the answer either. Dream Theater joined the loudness war all the way back to Falling Into Infinity and haven't redeemed themselves yet. In fact, ACOS is their absolute worst.
ACoS maybe be one of their best songs, but the mix is just, weird. The drums are super buried, and the mix sounds too much like I&W, which didn't have the best of mixes.
it because I&W producer is producing ACoS, the band just generally hate the producer to guts. I really hate I&W in term of production, that's why I rather listen to Pull Me Under and Another Day on their greatest hits album.
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Actually, I'm not crazy about the mix of ACOS. Nothing to do with the drums or anything, there's just something about it... I don't know how to describe it, but it's not great.
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Oh good lord I'm regretting posting in this thread. :facepalm:
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I hope I can have a second of being seen in the audience, but thus far I've only seen the lower mezzanine.
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So ONCE again, just like LALP, those of us who would like the live CD's but dont have a blu ray player are going to be unlucky again!!
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Get a blu-ray player!
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So ONCE again, just like LALP, those of us who would like the live CD's but dont have a blu ray player are going to be unlucky again!!
My LALP is a CD/DVD combo.
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So ONCE again, just like LALP, those of us who would like the live CD's but dont have a blu ray player are going to be unlucky again!!
I understand. But the label is following the technology, so it shouldn't be a surprise.
(but LALP had a CD/DVD version, so I am not sure what you are referring to there)
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Get a blu-ray player!
So much this. TAC, I think I've got an extra one laying around somewhere. Wanna buy it real cheap, Buddy? :biggrin:
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Honestly, I don't get the fascination with BluRay, and certainly don't get the cries for those of us who still use DVD to follow the technology (not referring to you, bosk, since that isn't what you said, but in general). Yes, BluRay looks better than DVD, but for a lot of people it just doesn't look enough better to convince them to buy a whole new system. Plus if someone likes to play movies on their computer and has a computer that's even a couple of years old (or a Mac), a BluRay is not a good investment for them since they simply can't play it. It might be a better investment if BluRay discs worked to play DVD-quality video on ordinary DVD players, or if DVD/BluRay combo packs weren't literally the cost of a DVD plus the cost of a BluRay. But, quite simply, for a lot of people it is not worth a marginal bump in picture quality to experience numerous drawbacks.
I get that the label wants to follow all of the latest technology trends. But even the most ardent of BluRay fans has to admit that there are a ton of people out there for whom the format is not yet worth it. So I think it's silly for the label to take features away from DVD buyers for no particular reason (there is absolutely no reason why they should not be able to sell the CDs either on their own or together with the DVDs at next to no additional cost).
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Get a blu-ray player!
So much this. TAC, I think I've got an extra one laying around somewhere. Wanna buy it real cheap, Buddy? :biggrin:
Great, but I like to watch things like this on my laptop, so are you also offering me one of those that can play BluRay? And what if I want to loan it to a friend who doesn't have a BluRay player (a lot of people don't)?
Honestly all we're asking here is that they not completely exclude us from buying the CDs just because we don't want to buy BluRays. I don't get why anyone would actually oppose the label making the CDs available in a set with the DVDs or on their own. Either it affects you positively, or it doesn't affect you at all.
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Get a blu-ray player!
So much this. TAC, I think I've got an extra one laying around somewhere. Wanna buy it real cheap, Buddy? :biggrin:
Great, but I like to watch things like this on my laptop, so are you also offering me one of those that can play BluRay? And what if I want to loan it to a friend who doesn't have a BluRay player (a lot of people don't)?
Honestly all we're asking here is that they not completely exclude us from buying the CDs just because we don't want to buy BluRays. I don't get why anyone would actually oppose the label making the CDs available in a set with the DVDs or on their own. Either it affects you positively, or it doesn't affect you at all.
Hey, I totally agree with you. I'm just saying get a Blu-Ray player because HD movies are awesome! Nothing to do with DT or live albums! ;D
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You can get blu ray drives for computers and they are fairly cheap, for laptops.. its getting harder to find them with optical drives in general.
Blu-ray to me, is SOOOO much better than DVD. The picture and sound are so worth the price to upgrade your system and over the years HD TVs and Blu Ray players have gotten very cheap, I own three HD TVs and 2 Blu Ray players. Some of the best investments I have made.
For example, I own both the Live at Budokan DVD and Blu-Ray and there is a noticeable difference there and that one wasnt recorded for Blu-Ray like the LALP was (which has a beautiful picture). I expect this new Blu-Ray to be really really visual and sound appealing.
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Look, I was having a little fun with my pal TAC. Feel free to look away.
But to be perfectly honest, an acceptable Blu-ray player is less expensive than the top package for this one DT concert. Seems like a no brainer to me, but your mileage OBVIOUSLY varies.
:chill
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Let me chime in. If you are a fan of music a Blu Ray Players and a HDMI receiver is a must. It is light years better than a DVD player with a Dolby Digital reviver. You can spend about $150.00 on a very good Blu Ray Player that will upgrade wireless and a very good HDMI receiver for about $250.00.
Well you do have to have a LCD/LED or Plasma TV.
It is worth it for the music lovers. Trust me.
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And cinema lovers.
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And cinema lovers.
My sub woofer agrees with you.
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Honestly, I don't get the fascination with BluRay, and certainly don't get the cries for those of us who still use DVD to follow the technology (not referring to you, bosk, since that isn't what you said, but in general). Yes, BluRay looks better than DVD, but for a lot of people it just doesn't look enough better to convince them to buy a whole new system.
Like I said, I sympathize with those who do not have BluRay players. But as to this point, it is not just the picture. The problem with DVD's is their limited capacity. With better picture technology, sound on DVDs began to suffer in the late 90s because there is only so much data you can fit on a disc, and as the demand for better video increased, that meant less space for audio.
there is absolutely no reason why they should not be able to sell the CDs either on their own or together with the DVDs at next to no additional cost
There actually is additional cost. Each different bundle means different packaging. And there is a cost associated with that. They make what seems like the most cost-effective decision in terms of how many different packaging options to offer based on how many units of a particular bundle they expect to sell. I'm not going so far as to say that offering CDs only or a DVD/CD bundle would necessarily be cost-prohibitive, but I am just addressing your point that it basically costs "nothing." They probably figue it is not worth it since they are offering an audio only package.
I don't get why anyone would actually oppose the label making the CDs available in a set with the DVDs or on their own.
Wait, what? Who is "opposing" the idea? ???
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I think Labrie is sounding pretty good here. Not as wavery as he was on LALP. Looking forward to this.
Is that a solo overdub at the end of the main solo I see, or is it just a lag in the video?
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Get a blu-ray player!
So much this. TAC, I think I've got an extra one laying around somewhere. Wanna buy it real cheap, Buddy? :biggrin:
We actually bought a BR player before LALP came out but I couldn't figure out out how to hook it up! :lol
:oldfart
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Maybe I'm the only person in this forum, but to me DVD or BluRay are formats I barely even register as existing.
I would like my DT video in MKV with XVid and AAC. That way I can watch it on my laptop, my projector, my iAnus or whatever the latest device is.
Like, what technologically relevant device has an optical disc reader at this point?
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Like, what technologically relevant device has an optical disc reader at this point?
Uh...a BluRay player? :biggrin:
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HAs this NOT been posted yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DI7E_QvetVM
No, I don't think it has :omg:
This mix is so superior to Luna Park it's ridiculous. In youtube, I put Metropolis Pt. 1 from LALP immediately after watching The Looking Glass and the difference is abyssmal.
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Oh good lord I'm regretting posting in this thread. :facepalm:
but you did it again anyway
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Like, what technologically relevant device has an optical disc reader at this point?
Uh...a BluRay player? :biggrin:
They are reasonably *recent*, but they are technologically the equivalent of audio CDs, which are close to irrelevant these days. It's just by sheer data volume that video saw yet another introduction of a physical media, which is doomed to die not too far from now.
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CDS FOREVER!
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Oh good lord I'm regretting posting in this thread. :facepalm:
but you did it again anyway
It only takes one post for it to show up in my 'new replies to my posts' feed. So more posting doesn't make a difference. I wish there was an 'unsubscribe' option or something.
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Oh. I've never even used that option. :lol Seemed cumbersome to me.
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Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.
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You can get blu ray drives for computers and they are fairly cheap
but the encryption
Maybe I'm the only person in this forum, but to me DVD or BluRay are formats I barely even register as existing.
I would like my DT video in MKV with XVid and AAC.
I would like my DT video MKV in HEVC or JPEG2000 and FLAC. The reason you'll never see these is that it's way too easy to distribute them.
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Actually, I'm not crazy about the mix of ACOS. Nothing to do with the drums or anything, there's just something about it... I don't know how to describe it, but it's not great.
Agreed. I wouldn't call it bad but the youtube comment guy is right. It's a very weird mix.
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You know it is possible to buy a Blu-ray and make in into a DVD, CD and play on a computer (MP4). Just get the Blu-ray and convert it into any format you need.
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Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.
Well, it's not DT's fault that LALP came like, a year too late, just because some guys got too overzealous with the whole 360 degree technology.
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Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.
Well, it's not DT's fault that LALP came like, a year too late, just because some guys got too overzealous with the whole 360 degree technology.
i suspect that is not the reason
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Someone said "I'll stick to watching Score" in the comments... :facepalm:
I mean really there will literally not be one single song in common between these two DVDs. Good thing that guy has his priorities strait and now when he wants to watch anything at all he will be watching that one DVD over and over again, taking up literally all his time and thus reassuring the world that he will never fall into the abysmal trap of watching anything else.
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Maybe I'm the only person in this forum, but to me DVD or BluRay are formats I barely even register as existing.
I would like my DT video in MKV with XVid and AAC. That way I can watch it on my laptop, my projector, my iAnus or whatever the latest device is.
Like, what technologically relevant device has an optical disc reader at this point?
You're just too cool for school.
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:lol
Rumbo doesn't chill at home. He's a man of the street! He paints the town red.
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He paints the town red.
and I want it painted black
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I'm little dissapointed for the fact that John choose to do overdubs in the ending of the solo on Through the Looking Glass. Kind of spoils the idea of live performance footage. Should have done it at least so that it would not be visible for the eye... :\
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Doesn't look very high tech to me
https://www.tamtam-media.cz/en/products/ianus-xl.html
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:lol
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WTF?!?!? :lol
On a related note, MM's cymbal work is much more audible on this recording and the part before the solo is just gorgeous!
B.Lee
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Alright, I just pre-ordered and here are my thoughts of The Looking Glass mp3...
The mix is far clearer in here. The whole "it is mono" thing is proven wrong, the stereo perspective instantly jumped at me. Someone mentioned earlier that the crowd is louder and the mix is much more balanced. Mike Mangini sounds awesome, James sounds just in spot and Jordan is loud and proud.
Everything is where it's supposed to be. This is going to kick Luna Park's ass so hard!
Also, JP's vocal harmonies are far more evident and present here.
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Alright, I just pre-ordered and here are my thoughts of The Looking Glass mp3...
The mix is far clearer in here. The whole "it is mono" thing is proven wrong, the stereo perspective instantly jumped at me. Someone mentioned earlier that the crowd is louder and the mix is much more balanced. Mike Mangini sounds awesome, James sounds just in spot and Jordan is loud and proud.
Everything is where it's supposed to be. This is going to kick Luna Park's ass so hard!
Also, JP's vocal harmonies are far more evident and present here.
Really good news! Thanks for the heads up!
B.Lee
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Also, there's a whole ambience thing present throughout the whole recording that really gives it a great live feeling, unlike Luna Park that was an incredibly dry mix.
I couldn't be happier, it's good to know Rich Chycki finally hit the spot with the band
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Also, there's a whole ambience thing present throughout the whole recording that really gives it a great live feeling, unlike Luna Park that was an incredibly dry mix.
I couldn't be happier, it's good to know Rich Chycki finally hit the spot with the band
Can't wait to hear it!
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Sounds like a very cool release!
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I'm really excited now, and can't wait till they release the next song/video :caffeine:
I'm a little short on money at the moment, but I'll preorder in two or three weeks, and I'll probably go for both the Bluray/CD and the DVD version. I don't have a Bluray player, but damn, I need those CDs :metal
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just regarding the negative opinions on the mix, I ws really pretty disappointed with LALP and thought the mix on that was below par, but I think the mix on this clip sounds really great. Looking foward to this big time.
Really looking forward to The Mirror/Lie and IT too, actually the whole second set is awesome.
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Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.
Well.. Luna Park was delayed quite a lot. We were supposed to get it (correct me if I'm wrong) late 2012 but certainli before the release of DT12 in late 2013, ah well. Although a live album the year after a studio album isn't all too uncommon, getting 2 live albums between studio albums (and 3 if you count Happy Holidays release) is a bit more of a rarity. Won't find me complaining though... I'll take it all.
Anyway, just wanted to mention something about the blu-ray discussion. I know I'm imposing some kind of personal expectations here; but although I'm not completely surprised some people don't have a blu-ray player yet, because it's understandable that it hasn't been necessary or justifiable to them yet. I do find it to be a somewhat invalid complaint when it's become the standard medium these days. (Although arguably becoming obsolete very quickly with the use of digital media on the rise).
Regardless, The Looking Glass vid is pretty awesome, quite excited for this release. ;D
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I don't have a bluray player but my PS3 serves me well and allows me to watch hd movies and live concerts:) In relation to the upcoming DT dvd, I'm quite excited this time. :)
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Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.
Well.. Luna Park was delayed quite a lot. We were supposed to get it (correct me if I'm wrong) late 2012 but certainli before the release of DT12 in late 2013, ah well. Although a live album the year after a studio album isn't all too uncommon, getting 2 live albums between studio albums (and 3 if you count Happy Holidays release) is a bit more of a rarity. Won't find me complaining though... I'll take it all.
On top of that, it's not like they're regurgitating the same setlist/show. If I'm remembering right, we're only gonna be getting two repeat songs on this new release (OTBOA and BAI). That's crazy. Especially given how jam packed all 3 released have been. On top of that, if I'm counting right, between Luna Park, Happy Holidays, and this new one, there are 18 songs that have never been heard on a DT live release (not counting the YtseJams). Not to mention all the rarities like Lifting Shadows and Caught In a Web. Compare that to a band like Iron Maiden, you get a live release every year and the only 'new' songs are going to be songs from the latest album. And even that's pretty rare compared to DT. The rest are going to be songs that appear on pretty much every live album. DT can churn out as many live releases they want. I'll happily buy them all.
DT fans are the luckiest fans in the world.
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I, for one, am very glad BAI's appearing once again in the DVD. The Luna Park version doesn't do the song justice at all.
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I, for one, am very glad BAI's appearing once again in the DVD. The Luna Park version doesn't do the song justice at all.
Oh yes!! Such a great tune. I'm also interested about the string section and the choir as well!!
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I, for one, am very glad BAI's appearing once again in the DVD. The Luna Park version doesn't do the song justice at all.
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I, for one, am very glad BAI's appearing once again in the DVD. The Luna Park version doesn't do the song justice at all.
Especially with Jordan's keys very low in the mix. Seriously, the mp3 that is given with the preorder sounds very good. Probably best live sound since Score (not that it's a great achievement), both in terms of mix and live vibe.
I'm very excited about this live album, and i can't wait to hear some of the songs with the choir-strings!
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Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.
Well.. Luna Park was delayed quite a lot. We were supposed to get it (correct me if I'm wrong) late 2012 but certainli before the release of DT12 in late 2013, ah well. Although a live album the year after a studio album isn't all too uncommon, getting 2 live albums between studio albums (and 3 if you count Happy Holidays release) is a bit more of a rarity. Won't find me complaining though... I'll take it all.
On top of that, it's not like they're regurgitating the same setlist/show. If I'm remembering right, we're only gonna be getting two repeat songs on this new release (OTBOA and BAI). That's crazy. Especially given how jam packed all 3 released have been. On top of that, if I'm counting right, between Luna Park, Happy Holidays, and this new one, there are 18 songs that have never been heard on a DT live release (not counting the YtseJams). Not to mention all the rarities like Lifting Shadows and Caught In a Web. Compare that to a band like Iron Maiden, you get a live release every year and the only 'new' songs are going to be songs from the latest album. And even that's pretty rare compared to DT. The rest are going to be songs that appear on pretty much every live album. DT can churn out as many live releases they want. I'll happily buy them all.
DT fans are the luckiest fans in the world.
There's more repeat songs than that. Trial of Tears was on OIALT and Live at Budokan. The Mirror appeared on the CD of LSFNY, Lie appeared on OIALT, Lifting Shadows appeared on 5YIALT, Scarred was on OIALT and Chaos in Motion, and all 4 SFAM songs were on LSFNY, plus The Dance of Eternity mostly appeared during Instrumedley on Live at Budokan.
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LSFNY was 15 years ago now, and OIALT even older than that, and it's a different line-up to either one, and JLB wasn't at his best on either of them. I don't see a problem with a bit of repetition from such old releases.
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I don't have a bluray player but my PS3 serves me well and allows me to watch hd movies and live concerts:) In relation to the upcoming DT dvd, I'm quite excited this time. :)
The PS3 is a blu ray player as are the ps4 and xbox one.
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LSFNY was 15 years ago now, and OIALT even older than that, and it's a different line-up to either one, and JLB wasn't at his best on either of them. I don't see a problem with a bit of repetition from such old releases.
Me neither, I just wanted to point it out. :P
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LSFNY was 15 years ago now, and OIALT even older than that, and it's a different line-up to either one, and JLB wasn't at his best on either of them. I don't see a problem with a bit of repetition from such old releases.
Me neither, I just wanted to point it out. :P
No prob. Mosh was only referring to repeats with LALP though. :)
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Sooooooo... we just had Luna Park and now we're getting another live release? Fine, whatever, I'll buy it.
Well.. Luna Park was delayed quite a lot. We were supposed to get it (correct me if I'm wrong) late 2012 but certainli before the release of DT12 in late 2013, ah well. Although a live album the year after a studio album isn't all too uncommon, getting 2 live albums between studio albums (and 3 if you count Happy Holidays release) is a bit more of a rarity. Won't find me complaining though... I'll take it all.
On top of that, it's not like they're regurgitating the same setlist/show. If I'm remembering right, we're only gonna be getting two repeat songs on this new release (OTBOA and BAI). That's crazy. Especially given how jam packed all 3 released have been. On top of that, if I'm counting right, between Luna Park, Happy Holidays, and this new one, there are 18 songs that have never been heard on a DT live release (not counting the YtseJams). Not to mention all the rarities like Lifting Shadows and Caught In a Web. Compare that to a band like Iron Maiden, you get a live release every year and the only 'new' songs are going to be songs from the latest album. And even that's pretty rare compared to DT. The rest are going to be songs that appear on pretty much every live album. DT can churn out as many live releases they want. I'll happily buy them all.
DT fans are the luckiest fans in the world.
There's more repeat songs than that. Trial of Tears was on OIALT and Live at Budokan. The Mirror appeared on the CD of LSFNY, Lie appeared on OIALT, Lifting Shadows appeared on 5YIALT, Scarred was on OIALT and Chaos in Motion, and all 4 SFAM songs were on LSFNY, plus The Dance of Eternity mostly appeared during Instrumedley on Live at Budokan.
I think he was obviously referring to repeats from the Luna Park DVD and Christmas CD.
Besides, DT has so many releases now that it is nearly impossible to have a lot of songs on a new DVD release that haven't been on a prior one (not counting songs from the newest album at the time).
Even still, three of the five songs that will be there from Awake have never been on an official DVD before, and a fourth (Scarred) was on one that was a bad release anyway (Scarred on Chaos in Motion).
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Any new release of songs from Chaos in Motion would be effectively new to me. That DVD is hard to watch.
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Any new release of songs from Chaos in Motion would be effectively new to me. That DVD is hard to watch.
Oh yeah, agreed.
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I'm looking forward to listen the Boston version of Scarred. That's going to be one big upgrade from the Chaos in Motion version.
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Seriously.
I am too.
And so is Blob.
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I'm looking forward to listen the Boston version of Scarred. That's going to be one big upgrade from the Chaos in Motion version.
It is possible to upgrade Scarred? Even if it was in Live at Budokan, it would be absolutly horrible ;D
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I'm looking forward to listen the Boston version of Scarred. That's going to be one big upgrade from the Chaos in Motion version.
It is possible to upgrade Scarred? Even if it was in Live at Budokan, it would be absolutly horrible ;D
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LSFNY was 15 years ago now, and OIALT even older than that, and it's a different line-up to either one, and JLB wasn't at his best on either of them. I don't see a problem with a bit of repetition from such old releases.
Me neither, I just wanted to point it out. :P
No prob. Mosh was only referring to repeats with LALP though. :)
Yup exactly. And the Holidays CD, though I guess that doesn't matter since there are no repeats from the Holiday CD besides OTBOA, which is already on luna park.
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Does anyone know how big the poster will be in the blue-ray/cd package?
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I was worried that this would sound like LALP did (very dry mix, no ambience at all), im glad it didnt, I love how the Drums sound on this one, and LaBrie's voice sounded surprisingly good too, but the guitar and keyboard sound mono and i dont know why, I really hope they are going to change it for the final release (though I dont think they are).
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I wish they would have pulled out Blind Faith too so we could have a non horrendous version of that too.
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I wouldn't be against any songs from Disc 1 of Six Degrees at this point. Horribly underrepresented in the DVDs. Although I get that it's kinda hard to fit them in, given the length and such. I at least want TGP and Blind Faith on DVD.
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I was worried that this would sound like LALP did (very dry mix, no ambience at all), im glad it didnt, I love how the Drums sound on this one, and LaBrie's voice sounded surprisingly good too, but the guitar and keyboard sound mono and i dont know why, I really hope they are going to change it for the final release (though I dont think they are).
Read a couple of the pages in this thread. I reported that upon pre-ordering the album and getting the mp3 of The Looking Glass the whole "mono" thing is a youtube video strange antic. The original recording is wide, stereo, vivid and very spacious. JP's harmonies are panned to the sides, so they are not really present in the youtube video considering they only kept some of the center channels for some strange reason. The keyboards are very present and the crowd is always there.
It's amazing.
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I can only imagine the 5.1 Blu Ray Lossless sound!!!
I'll have to crank the 2 live Rush Blu Rays I have by the same director.
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I was worried that this would sound like LALP did (very dry mix, no ambience at all), im glad it didnt, I love how the Drums sound on this one, and LaBrie's voice sounded surprisingly good too, but the guitar and keyboard sound mono and i dont know why, I really hope they are going to change it for the final release (though I dont think they are).
Read a couple of the pages in this thread. I reported that upon pre-ordering the album and getting the mp3 of The Looking Glass the whole "mono" thing is a youtube video strange antic. The original recording is wide, stereo, vivid and very spacious. JP's harmonies are panned to the sides, so they are not really present in the youtube video considering they only kept some of the center channels for some strange reason. The keyboards are very present and the crowd is always there.
It's amazing.
Wow that made my day, cant be more excited!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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I'm looking forward to listen the Boston version of Scarred. That's going to be one big upgrade from the Chaos in Motion version.
It is possible to upgrade Scarred? Even if it was in Live at Budokan, it would be absolutly horrible ;D
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Seriously.
I am too.
And so is Blob.
You're one to talk. Reported. :P
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^^^ Hey, this new version of Scarred might actually redeem the song in your eyes! Should be interesting. :D
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^^^ Hey, this new version of Scarred might actually redeem the song in your eyes! Should be interesting. :D
Unless they rewrite it from scratch, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one, buddy. :lol But I envy your optimism.
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Haha. Well it has a few new features going for it, such as; present day JLB, probably richer tones on the instrumentation compared to Awake, not to mention the extra strings and the fact that it's not the CiM version. All qualities that make me optimisic. I won't hold my breath though, that's a bad idea. :xbones
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Haha. Well it has a few new features going for it, such as; present day JLB, probably richer tones on the instrumentation compared to Awake, not to mention the extra strings and the fact that it's not the CiM version. All qualities that make me optimisic. I won't hold my breath though, that's a bad idea. :xbones
What extra strings? The Orchestra and choir didn't join until Illumination Theory.
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Oh dear, well that would have been the main feature. The other things I said were just to hype it up and make it sound new and fancy. So much for that. Haha. :justjen
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Scarred was one of the highlights of this tour for me. I'm probably more excited for a decent live version of this than I am Space Dye -which is really saying something coming from me
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The highlights on this tour for me was the SFAM songs, mainly Strange Deja Vu and Finally Free.
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hmm...I don't know if it's because of youtube, but the ending of the guitar solo seems to be little bit out of sync o.o
I hope they fix that :P
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The highlights on this tour for me was the SFAM songs, mainly Strange Deja Vu and Finally Free.
Somany fans who lives ONLY for the SFAM album...
I feel sorry for them, really.
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The highlights on this tour for me was the SFAM songs, mainly Strange Deja Vu and Finally Free.
Somany fans who lives ONLY for the SFAM album...
I feel sorry for them, really.
Was this jab necessary? I've known Zydar for a long time on the forum and I can fairly tell you it's not the case! At all! Geez!
B.Lee
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I don't know if it was directed at me, but yeah I definitely don't only live for SFAM.
And thanks Bertielee :)
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Zy lives for hookers and taking epic pics of where he lives.
Mad hugs my friend.
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I wish they would have pulled out Blind Faith too so we could have a non horrendous version of that too.
This actually would have been an amazing addition to the setlist.
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Anyone else think the thing that sucks the most about this video is that in the last few seconds you can hear them just about start to play Trial of Tears? You hear the cowbells and the guitar is about to start the beginning. So annoying because I want that and not have to wait until its released!
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I wish they would have pulled out Blind Faith too so we could have a non horrendous version of that too.
Well, to be fair, there is little point in having a great version of one of their lesser tracks. :p
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Anyone else think the thing that sucks the most about this video is that in the last few seconds you can hear them just about start to play Trial of Tears? You hear the cowbells and the guitar is about to start the beginning. So annoying because I want that and not have to wait until its released!
Well, it is just a promo for one song off the DVD. They aren't gonna release much more prior to the DVD release.
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I don't know if it was directed at me, but yeah I definitely don't only live for SFAM.
And thanks Bertielee :)
You're welcome! :tup
B.Lee
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I wish they would have pulled out Blind Faith too so we could have a non horrendous version of that too.
Well, to be fair, there is little point in having a great version of one of their lesser tracks. :p
While I agree with the general permise behind that, not everyone has a fail taste in music and therefore many people actually recognise Blind Faith as the masterpiece it is.
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I love Blind Faith and would really hope for a proper live release in the future.
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I love Blind Faith and would really hope for a proper live release in the future.
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I love Blind Faith and would really hope for a proper live release in the future.
Agreed. I love the guitar tones in Blind Faith, specifically.
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Also, I want to add as well that the youtube audio is louder than the actual mp3 (I feel weird comparing audio between a youtube video and an mp3 file :lol). 4 dBs at most, but it does make a difference. The music breathes more.
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I wish they would have pulled out Blind Faith too so we could have a non horrendous version of that too.
Well, to be fair, there is little point in having a great version of one of their lesser tracks. :p
Watch your mouth or it's the corner for you!
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I'm so excited to hear On The Backs of Angels with a real choir. Tears will be shed.
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I'm so excited to hear On The Backs of Angels with a real choir. Tears will be shed.
if i'm not mistaken, Choir and orchestra are only on Illumination Theory and the SFAM encore
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I'm so excited to hear On The Backs of Angels with a real choir. Tears will be shed.
if i'm not mistaken, Choir and orchestra are only on Illumination Theory and the SFAM encore
Yeah, the choir never performed on OTBOA -- this has been known since the performance back in March.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the ADTOE songs on this new DVD. I thought they sounded flat on Luna Park.
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Well I for one can't wait to hear Enigma Machine with a choir!
Actually I think that would be cooler than it sounds....
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Well I for one can't wait to hear Enigma Machine with a choir!
Actually I think that would be cooler than it sounds....
Lol, not sure if trolling or actual question
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There's no question, just a satirical statement then a legitimate statement.
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I'm so excited to hear On The Backs of Angels with a real choir. Tears will be shed.
if i'm not mistaken, Choir and orchestra are only on Illumination Theory and the SFAM encore
Yeah, the choir never performed on OTBOA -- this has been known since the performance back in March.
Oh. Ok, then. I'll go cry in a corner.
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There's no question, just a satirical statement then a legitimate statement.
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My bad :lol
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I should have preordered a bit earlier via amazon. The price just went from $18 to $25 >:(
Now I will just wait.
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I'm so excited to hear On The Backs of Angels with a real choir. Tears will be shed.
if i'm not mistaken, Choir and orchestra are only on Illumination Theory and the SFAM encore
Yeah, the choir never performed on OTBOA -- this has been known since the performance back in March.
This is a huge missed opportunity. I just watched the Sonisphere performance and the crowd sang along to the opening keyboard/choir part and it was badass!!!
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Does anyone know if this show is going to be available as either a regular DVD/CD combo package, or with just the audio-CD version sold separately?
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Does anyone know if this show is going to be available as either a regular DVD/CD combo package, or with just the audio-CD version sold separately?
Doesn't look like it. I'm willing to bet that only the formats already announced will be available.
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I'm so excited to hear On The Backs of Angels with a real choir. Tears will be shed.
if i'm not mistaken, Choir and orchestra are only on Illumination Theory and the SFAM encore
Yeah, the choir never performed on OTBOA -- this has been known since the performance back in March.
This is a huge missed opportunity. I just watched the Sonisphere performance and the crowd sang along to the opening keyboard/choir part and it was badass!!!
I don't want to complain much, cause I'm mostly satisfied with what they did with the choir and orchestra, but I think they could've been utilized on a few more songs.
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I'm so excited to hear On The Backs of Angels with a real choir. Tears will be shed.
if i'm not mistaken, Choir and orchestra are only on Illumination Theory and the SFAM encore
Yeah, the choir never performed on OTBOA -- this has been known since the performance back in March.
This is a huge missed opportunity. I just watched the Sonisphere performance and the crowd sang along to the opening keyboard/choir part and it was badass!!!
I don't want to complain much, cause I'm mostly satisfied with what they did with the choir and orchestra, but I think they could've been utilized on a few more songs.
Of course they could've, but that would've involved much more time of preparation and rehearsals for DT and the orchestra. I'm pretty sure their schedules wouldn't have allowed that.
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I'm so excited to hear On The Backs of Angels with a real choir. Tears will be shed.
if i'm not mistaken, Choir and orchestra are only on Illumination Theory and the SFAM encore
Yeah, the choir never performed on OTBOA -- this has been known since the performance back in March.
This is a huge missed opportunity. I just watched the Sonisphere performance and the crowd sang along to the opening keyboard/choir part and it was badass!!!
I don't want to complain much, cause I'm mostly satisfied with what they did with the choir and orchestra, but I think they could've been utilized on a few more songs.
Of course they could've, but that would've involved much more time of preparation and rehearsals for DT and the orchestra. I'm pretty sure their schedules wouldn't have allowed that.
Yeah...unfortunately thats true.
Theres nothing inherently wrong with OTBOA but it is definitely my least favorite off of the album possibly next to Far From Heaven. They're both great songs but thats it among an album of over the top fucking excellent songs.
I just think with more choir and a bit more of gothic/epic sound then I would pretty much put OTBOA side by side with the rest from ADTOE
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So we are getting a new DVD/Blue Ray release but as of yet no concert dates for the 4th most populous state in the Country.
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Of course. Florida is in the Southeast, after all.
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So we are getting a new DVD/Blue Ray release but as of yet no concert dates for the 4th most populous state in the Country.
How is the release of a new DVD related to DT's tour schedule?
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So we are getting a new DVD/Blue Ray release but as of yet no concert dates for the 4th most populous state in the Country.
If it makes you feel better, the only states with an older population aren't getting any concerts either. Sorry Maine, Vermont, West Virginia, and Montana.
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This just might replace the copy of Luna Park I rock in my car, killer performance! :metal
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So we are getting a new DVD/Blue Ray release but as of yet no concert dates for the 4th most populous state in the Country.
And the 4th most populous city... Hmmm..
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So we are getting a new DVD/Blue Ray release but as of yet no concert dates for the 4th most populous state in the Country.
And the 4th most populous city... Hmmm..
Well the concert locations aren't selected randomly. Regardless of how popular your state/city is, if DT has done Evening With shows there in the past that didn't have good attendance, they're going to be less likely to visit this time around.
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is anyone here buying the box with the poster? i dont think its worth the extra money
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is anyone here buying the box with the poster? i dont think its worth the extra money
I agree. I'll just be getting the bluray with the 3 CDs. Would love for that to show up on Amazon so I can preorder
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That's what I would do as well, but this time I'm skeptical. It's said that the BD+3CD package is an official store exlusive.
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Just got the preorder download of TLG. Can confirm that it is excellent. The drums sound killer. the panning is really cool with the hi-hats. Never got that from the studio recording.
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So they fixed the mix and the overdub thing :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9_tFbFWzqc
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That's what I would do as well, but this time I'm skeptical. It's said that the BD+3CD package is an official store exlusive.
Oh shit.... I didnt notice that. Thats kinda bullshit of them :-\
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The new upload sounds really good!
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The new upload sounds really good!
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Ah, thats what that was. I got an alert on my phone saying DT put a new vid on youtube but saw the title and thought "Damn my phone is behind on updating me on these things"
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I think I actually like the other mix better. James is way too low on this one.
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He was low on both mixes. But the rest is a lot better on the new one, imo
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Both sound good. Idk though, it's tough because this one one just kinda sounds too echoey like a less distinguishable wall of sound, though it is fuller in some ways. But I also feel like I can hear the keyboard better.. The other one was crisper, but that's not to say it was better. Backing tracks are also kind of too loud on this new one.
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You can hear Petrucci's voice now.
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Both sound good. Idk though, it's tough because this one one just kinda sounds too echoey like a less distinguishable wall of sound, though it is fuller in some ways. But I also feel like I can hear the keyboard better.. The other one was crisper, but that's not to say it was better. Backing tracks are also kind of too loud on this new one.
I feel like it sounds a little bit more like you're listening to it from the venue, kinda like Score, which I think is a major plus. I did like the other mix, but it was a bit dry.
You can hear Petrucci's voice now.
That too! I was pleasantly surprised to hear that.
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I think I actually like the other mix better. James is way too low on this one.
Sarcasm? He's loud as hell.
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I think I actually like the other mix better. James is way too low on this one.
Sarcasm? He's loud as hell.
No :lol I think he sounder louder in the other one.
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Love the new mix, you can hear a much more balanced overall mix in terms of the instruments. They fixed the close up of JP's overdub at the end of the solo, but I'd say much more importantly is the improved mix.
JR is much more audible and his parts sound great. You can hear JP's vocals. The whole mix sounds great now with the guitar sitting back slightly. Loving it :metal
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Yep that sounded awesome!
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That's the mix I heard. KEYBOARDS!
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JLB was more prominent in the old mix and what you could hear was much clearer . The new mix sounds much noisier but you can hear a lot more and it sounds a lot more live. Immediate impression - prefer the first. Considered opinion - the second ;D
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JLB was more prominent in the old mix and what you could hear was much clearer . The new mix sounds much noisier but you can hear a lot more and it sounds a lot more live. Immediate impression - prefer the first. Considered opinion - the second ;D
Yes, exactly.
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Well, that's a bit of a disappointment. I definitely wish we could hear JLB higher in the mix. I'd prefer the older mix just for that.
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So did they just recut it to not show the overdub of the guitar solo? Or did they take out the dub too? Either way, works for me. :)
JLB sounds a little lower in the new mix (at least that I recall), but I can still hear him fine. The mix sounds a little phase-y, like it's a mixdown of the 5.1 mix, so I'll wait and see how it sounds on the final DVD.
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One thing I've noticed with this live version is some of the keyboard lines are far more up front than they were on the studio version. Like the keyboard lines playing along before the first and second verses. That gives me hope that the keys won't be buried like they were at times on the Luna Park Blu-ray (which I liked a lot, nonetheless).
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The new version sounds badass! It's amazing what the keyboards do to the sound when they're actually audible, haha.
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I wonder if the previous upload was a mistake? Either way, even though I was excited before, this new upload fixed every one of my reservations so I'm even more excited now! :metal
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Someone must be listening, nearly everything people said about the previous video has been tinkered with and (in my opinion) improved.
I say let them test the rest of the songs on us ;D :metal
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Someone must be listening, nearly everything people said about the previous video has been tinkered with and (in my opinion) improved.
I say let them test the rest of the songs on us ;D :metal
That's actually kind of interesting. Is it possible the first video was sent out to get people's opinions before the full release? I mean, it's common practice in for example the movie business to have screen previewings for a test audience that sometimes results in them changing stuff before the actual premier.
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Considering the release date, I would think it's too late for them to be making changes to the audio mix and edit.
I think it's very possible they just inadvertently used an older version of the video, that had a different cut, and not the final audio mix.
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Yep, that's the mix of the mp3 if i'm not mistaken. Audible keyboards and a real live vibe. Consider me hyped.
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They should seriously release this kinda stuff on DTF first as a test, let us nitpick it to death, and then fix everything that's "wrong" about it and release it to the rest of the world. xD
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I find it hard to believe that it had been up for nearly a week before they noticed. :-\
I think they wanted to gauge people's reactions on it. The first one was good, but the 2nd one sounds sooo much better!!
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They should seriously release this kinda stuff on DTF first as a test, let us nitpick it to death, and then fix everything that's "wrong" about it and release it to the rest of the world. xD
Exactly. If it's something we DTFers now it's how to nitpick about every little detail :lol
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They should seriously release this kinda stuff on DTF first as a test, let us nitpick it to death, and then fix everything that's "wrong" about it and release it to the rest of the world. xD
Exactly. If it's something we DTFers now it's how to nitpick about every little detail :lol
Remember the rope end in the ADTOE cover? :lol
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Or the blemish (which I never quite saw) in the DT12 cover?
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Or the blemish (which I never quite saw) in the DT12 cover?
You mean the cut? Well, that was really quite evident. :D
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Listening to little snippets back to back from the two, the old mix almost sounds like a demo compared to the new.
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As someone said, it has more of a Score feel now which is a very good thing.
Also for such a simple song, MM is working pretty hard.
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So did they just recut it to not show the overdub of the guitar solo? Or did they take out the dub too? Either way, works for me. :)
JLB sounds a little lower in the new mix (at least that I recall), but I can still hear him fine. The mix sounds a little phase-y, like it's a mixdown of the 5.1 mix, so I'll wait and see how it sounds on the final DVD.
I'm really hoping that's all it is, and that it's gonna sound better when on the actual BLu-Ray.
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Or the blemish (which I never quite saw) in the DT12 cover?
You mean the cut? Well, that was really quite evident. :D
I never saw this myself either. Where on the cover is it located?
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Or the blemish (which I never quite saw) in the DT12 cover?
You mean the cut? Well, that was really quite evident. :D
I never saw this myself either. Where on the cover is it located?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37913.msg1612291#msg1612291
This was however soon rectified and is not visible anymore on all official pictures.
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This mix sounds so much better! Sounds nice and wide similar to SCORE.
You can hear the drums and keyboards a lot more clearly and doesn't have that "sounds mono" feeling anymore :)
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The new mix sounds fantastic! :hefdaddy Looks like they changed the shot for the overdubbed bit in JP's solo.
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It's a shame you can't replace JP horrible tone ;D
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You can hear Petrucci's voice now.
Holy shit, you actually can!
They actually tuned down the backing track and turned up JP's vocals just like I hoped they would do. And not only that, but a gorgeous vocal harmony that I had no idea was there is suddenly revealed - listen to him singing ''gold mine'' part, that was tremendous! :hefdaddy
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You can hear Petrucci's voice now.
Holy shit, you actually can!
They actually tuned down the backing track and turned up JP's vocals just like I hoped they would do. And not only that, but a gorgeous vocal harmony that I had no idea was there is suddenly revealed - listen to him singing ''gold mine'' part, that was tremendous! :hefdaddy
You mean the lower harmony on JLB's first time singing it? On those first two choruses you can see JP stops singing exactly at that point to sing along with the higher backup response to the line, which is the JLB backing track. I can't quite tell if the backing track for that first lower harmony is JP's voice or JLB's.
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You mean the lower harmony on JLB's first time singing it?
No, the lower harmony on JLB's second time singing it - or to be accurate, the lower harmony of JLB's backing track.
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You mean the lower harmony on JLB's first time singing it?
No, the lower harmony on JLB's second time singing it - or to be accurate, the lower harmony of JLB's backing track.
I thought you meant literally on the words "gold mine", but do you mean on the words "looking glass"? That's a JLB vocal. JP starts singing along on the word "through" when the vocal cuts in hard on the word "the". Also, it's the same voice as the backup a few words earlier "standing on the sidelines", when JP is still singing along with the higher backup harmony.
It is nice to hear those harmonies mixed louder, because they're not very prominent on the album. You can hear them, but they don't add as much as they do here.
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To the folks who have preordered - Is the money taken right away or on despatch of the item? Cheers :tup
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You mean the lower harmony on JLB's first time singing it?
No, the lower harmony on JLB's second time singing it - or to be accurate, the lower harmony of JLB's backing track.
I thought you meant literally on the words "gold mine", but do you mean on the words "looking glass"? That's a JLB vocal. JP starts singing along on the word "through" when the vocal cuts in hard on the word "the". Also, it's the same voice as the backup a few words earlier "standing on the sidelines", when JP is still singing along with the higher backup harmony.
It is nice to hear those harmonies mixed louder, because they're not very prominent on the album. You can hear them, but they don't add as much as they do here.
Nope, JP is still singing ''gold mine'' while James begins with ''standing on the sidelines'' - it's at 1:25 precisely. I'm pretty sure I hear JP's voice singing the ''gold mine'', and it's a harmony that I haven't heard on the album, so I figured it must be JP. I can also hear him real well on some other parts of the tune, on some of the parts he really couldn't be heard on the previous mix.
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You mean the lower harmony on JLB's first time singing it?
No, the lower harmony on JLB's second time singing it - or to be accurate, the lower harmony of JLB's backing track.
I thought you meant literally on the words "gold mine", but do you mean on the words "looking glass"? That's a JLB vocal. JP starts singing along on the word "through" when the vocal cuts in hard on the word "the". Also, it's the same voice as the backup a few words earlier "standing on the sidelines", when JP is still singing along with the higher backup harmony.
It is nice to hear those harmonies mixed louder, because they're not very prominent on the album. You can hear them, but they don't add as much as they do here.
Nope, JP is still singing ''gold mine'' while James begins with ''standing on the sidelines'' - it's at 1:25 precisely. I'm pretty sure I hear JP's voice singing the ''gold mine'', and it's a harmony that I haven't heard on the album, so I figured it must be JP. I can also hear him real well on some other parts of the tune, on some of the parts he really couldn't be heard on the previous mix.
Ok, slight confusion there with all of the vocals. :lol
It's hard to tell because you've got the tail end of JLB's higher tape backup of "gold mine", plus the live JLB vocal of "standing on the sidelines", plus JLB's lower tape backup vocal for that line that ends on "sidelines" then comes back on "the looking glass".
I have a suspicion that what is heard underneath "gold mine" is actually the lower harmony of "standing on the sidelines" at about the same register, and not an extra harmony for "gold mine". There are either 3 or 4 vocal parts overlapping right at that point, depending on whether there is indeed an extra JP part there, so it's a little hard to tell for sure!
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After having listened to the re-upload of The Looking Glass at least a dozen times, I can say with confidence that I will be one happy camper if the entire Blu-Ray yields a similar mix. As several have already alluded to here, the spirit of the Score DVD has, for all intents and purposes, been recaptured once again.
Well done, DT, well done.
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I was really worried after watching the first version that this was going to be another release where the music sounded dry/compressed/in your face. Not sure how or why that first version even got uploaded. Guitars have been too upfront on Luna Park and DT12 and I thought it was going to be the same thing on this release as well.
I can't tell you how happy I am to hear this new version!
I've listened to it at least about 6 times already! Really looking forward to hearing the DT12 songs on here. I never even noticed some of those keyboard lines and what MM was playing during the guitar solo on the album.
Octavarium really grew on me after watching SCORE. I'm hoping that this release could possibly do the same with DT12 :)
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Ok, slight confusion there with all of the vocals. :lol
It's hard to tell because you've got the tail end of JLB's higher tape backup of "gold mine", plus the live JLB vocal of "standing on the sidelines", plus JLB's lower tape backup vocal for that line that ends on "sidelines" then comes back on "the looking glass".
I have a suspicion that what is heard underneath "gold mine" is actually the lower harmony of "standing on the sidelines" at about the same register, and not an extra harmony for "gold mine". There are either 3 or 4 vocal parts overlapping right at that point, depending on whether there is indeed an extra JP part there, so it's a little hard to tell for sure!
Yeah, I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around our own posts. :lol Whatever the hell is going on with all the vocals during the chorus, I really hear some JP vox that weren't there on the previous mix and they sound damn good. :metal
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My god that's so much better. Everything is clear, the lower end has punch, keys are audible as are JP's vocals.
I'm really eexcited for this release, mainly because the sound and video looks great for this fantastic setlist.
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To the folks who have preordered - Is the money taken right away or on despatch of the item? Cheers :tup
Good question. All places are different, but I THINK Amazon might charge once the item is shipped. You might want to contact Amazon, or whoever you're pre-ordering from.
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From amazon.com (the only one to mention the existence of this release), the fourth wall of the Blu Ray case. No mentions of specal features here.
(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SzQGn9PaL.jpg)
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Nice back cover!
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The bar code's position is really weird, though! Who puts them on top center, they have lived in their warm bottom-right spot since late Mesozoic! :lol
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The bar code's position is really weird, though! Who puts them on top center, they have lived in their warm bottom-right spot since late Mesozoic! :lol
It's a part of the artwork. It's so in your face it's like it's breaking the fourth wall.
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What's the point of saying John Myung plays those pedals? They should credit Jordan Rudess with playing the Riffer, the Continuum, the Waveboard, the iPhone, the iPad, the iWut, the Yo-yo, and the spoons.
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Well, if there isn't any bonus material, why the double DVD?
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(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a619/styxkyd/ScreenShot2014-08-27at60822PM_zpsd12061da.png) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/styxkyd/media/ScreenShot2014-08-27at60822PM_zpsd12061da.png.html)
"2DVD" "complete with special bonus features"
And yea that is kinda funny how they credit JMX like that, but not Jordan Rudess for iPad and Roli Seaboard.
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Well, if there isn't any bonus material, why the double DVD?
Who's says there's no bonus features? I just assumed we didn't know much about what the content will actually be.
https://www.dreamtheater.net/preorder
On March 25th, 2014, Dream Theater performed at the Boston Opera House with very special guests from the Berklee College of Music orchestra and choir. Filmed and directed by Pierre and François Lamoureux, and mixed and mastered by Richard Chycki, Breaking The Fourth Wall (Live From The Boston Opera House) is over 2 hours in length, complete with special bonus features.
Edit: Looks like above poster beat me to the punch by about 20 seconds. :lol
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I wonder what the bonus are.
Maybe footage for the reharsals with the orchestra or something like that.
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As long as they have the stand alone version of that intro animation, I don't care what the other bonus features are.
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Well, if there isn't any bonus material, why the double DVD?
Because a single blu-ray can hold about 5x the data as a single DVD. By splitting the show up into two DVDs they can increase the quality of the video and audio. Still won't be as good as the Blu-Ray, but will be better than a single DVD.
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As long as they have the stand alone version of that intro animation, I don't care what the other bonus features are.
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As long as they have the stand alone version of that intro animation, I don't care what the other bonus features are.
Blob, you really outdid yourself. :hefdaddy
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To the folks who have preordered - Is the money taken right away or on despatch of the item? Cheers :tup
Good question. All places are different, but I THINK Amazon might charge once the item is shipped. You might want to contact Amazon, or whoever you're pre-ordering from.
I was thinking about that Official DT page. Since the BD/3CD is "exclusive" (apparently) to that site.
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Bonus feature speculation: Meanwhile, at B.B King's...
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While this new version sounds more balanced, I'm partial to the earlier version. Lotta ambient room under James voice and overall a lot less polished. Personally, I don't mind a little refinement to a live release, although Luna Park might have been too extreme in that direction.
I can only imagine what's going on behind the DT curtain. I mean, there was clearly a change in the sound. Are they reading our posts and making tweaks?
Anyway, can't base everything on the quality of a Youtube clip. Looking forward to the final BluRay sound.
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I can only imagine what's going on behind the DT curtain. I mean, there was clearly a change in the sound. Are they reading our posts and making tweaks?
While it sounds appealing, I can't really imagine that the guys working on the release are that incompetent and/or humble at the same time to base their work on internet feedback. Pointing out flaws on artwork is a different kind of animal.
Love that the keys are so loud this time around, that's the most needed change compared to LALP & DT12. That's nothing new though, Live Scenes had louder keys than SFAM and Budokan had that loud bass I was hoping would return on this release. Oh well, can't win 'em all.
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So the left and right mix of MM's drums is based on Stage Left and Stage Right. Not MM's left and MM's right. So I would expect a complete reverse in speaker sounds for the drums compared to DT12. :lol
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To the folks who have preordered - Is the money taken right away or on despatch of the item? Cheers :tup
Well my bank statement is already showing that the money has been taken out, but they did say it would show 2 charges 1 of which would just be a confirmation not an actual charge.
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I can only imagine what's going on behind the DT curtain. I mean, there was clearly a change in the sound. Are they reading our posts and making tweaks?
While it sounds appealing, I can't really imagine that the guys working on the release are that incompetent and/or humble at the same time to base their work on internet feedback. Pointing out flaws on artwork is a different kind of animal.
Love that the keys are so loud this time around, that's the most needed change compared to LALP & DT12. That's nothing new though, Live Scenes had louder keys than SFAM and Budokan had that loud bass I was hoping would return on this release. Oh well, can't win 'em all.
I agree, I can't imagine these changes being based off of feedback, especially this close to the release date. At this point, this thing has to already be finished in mixing and mastering and off to production to have it ready to ship in month. My guess is that an earlier version of the mix/edit was uploaded to YouTube accidentally. The question is why did it take several days of that video being posted, accumulating over a hundred thousand views before it was taken down and replaced? Weird stuff man... The good news is that the new video looks and sounds amazing!
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Well, if there isn't any bonus material, why the double DVD?
Because a single blu-ray can hold about 5x the data as a single DVD. By splitting the show up into two DVDs they can increase the quality of the video and audio. Still won't be as good as the Blu-Ray, but will be better than a single DVD.
Of course, I should've figured. Still, extremely pumped for this release.
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So the Blu-Ray/3CD won't be widely available like Luna Park was? Awwww. I remember when CiM came out, it was hell finding the version with the CDs. How long's this special edition up for pre-order?
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*ring ring*
"Hello...Petrucci speaking..."
"Hi John, euhh..they expect something like bonus features..so euh...maybe.."
"Yes?"
"Maybe we could arrange...a little bit of a YOU and..you know?
*tuut tuut tuut*
"..John?"
:P
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I'll get the standard DVD edition. I'm not obsessed with quality :p
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LALP is why you shouldn't get documentary makers to direct a live DVD. Compare it with Budokan and it's like night and day.
Budokan looks like a bona fide rock show whilst LALP looks like a band playing at the disco night of their school.
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That has a lot to do with stage lighting. Budokan was restrained and classy, LALP had way too many bright colors. It just looked tasteless. It's not fair to compare anything to Budokan anyway, it's a one of a kind DVD in terms of visuals, looks like a movie rather than a concert.
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I wish they go back to more dark lighting. And a more obscure atmosphere in the stage.
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After buying the Xbox One months and months ago, I just had to get the Blu-ray version. Better quality for a decent price and the ability to actually play the disc? Yes, please.
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I wish they go back to more dark lighting. And a more obscure atmosphere in the stage.
Hmm I disagree. The stage setup this year was fantastic. The graffiti wall, the Enigma Machine, the HUGE screen. I loved it!
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I wish they go back to more dark lighting. And a more obscure atmosphere in the stage.
Hmm I disagree. The stage setup this year was fantastic. The graffiti wall, the Enigma Machine, the HUGE screen. I loved it!
Yeah I agree, the stage setup this tour was superb. It all comes down to how its captured on film though, that makes a big difference. What looks good in person can easily look bad on film if not handled properly. From the looks of TLG video, the visuals on this release look pretty great, IMO.
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I wish they go back to more dark lighting. And a more obscure atmosphere in the stage.
Hmm I disagree. The stage setup this year was fantastic. The graffiti wall, the Enigma Machine, the HUGE screen. I loved it!
Yeah I agree, the stage setup this tour was superb. It all comes down to how its captured on film though, that makes a big difference. What looks good in person can easily look bad on film if not handled properly. From the looks of TLG video, the visuals on this release look pretty great, IMO.
Oh, I like all of those things. I'm not a fan of all that Shiny Lights and Colors Colliding :lol
I dig the 1 colour per song lighting ;D
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Also consider that years ago video format was limited in capturing degrees of light and the results were often smudgy and dark. Perhaps this is what you are referring to by "dark lighting?"
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I wish they go back to more dark lighting. And a more obscure atmosphere in the stage.
Hmm I disagree. The stage setup this year was fantastic. The graffiti wall, the Enigma Machine, the HUGE screen. I loved it!
Yeah I agree, the stage setup this tour was superb. It all comes down to how its captured on film though, that makes a big difference. What looks good in person can easily look bad on film if not handled properly. From the looks of TLG video, the visuals on this release look pretty great, IMO.
Oh, I like all of those things. I'm not a fan of all that Shiny Lights and Colors Colliding :lol
I dig the 1 colour per song lighting ;D
I agree, in the live setting the lights add to it but, especially in the case of LALP, viewing it on the TV didnt really have the same effect.
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I wish they go back to more dark lighting. And a more obscure atmosphere in the stage.
Hmm I disagree. The stage setup this year was fantastic. The graffiti wall, the Enigma Machine, the HUGE screen. I loved it!
Same here, I can only hope that their visuals get more intense/impressive each tour.
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Check out Epica's Retrospect DVD if you want to see how the stage lights can look terrible on video.
I thought from the one clip we can see, the crowd looks very dark (you cant even really see them besides the dark figure of them from the shots behind the crowd) as well as essentially everything that is off stage. I think that helps the stage lighting with the video. I think this stage/lighting/video was really awesome in person and I think it got captured pretty well in the video as well. However, one thing I love about concert videos is to see the crowd reaction, so hopefully there are some shots of them on the rest of the DVD.
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Finally got around to watching TLG....sounded great even on youtube! IMO they are indeed a different, better DT these days....you can see/hear the difference in their performances and body language.
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When is Amazon going to have the BluRay/CD Combo. Grr
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That's what I would do as well, but this time I'm skeptical. It's said that the BD+3CD package is an official store exlusive.
Oh. I hope not. GRRRR.
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They should seriously release this kinda stuff on DTF first as a test, let us nitpick it to death, and then fix everything that's "wrong" about it and release it to the rest of the world. xD
Exactly. If it's something we DTFers now it's how to nitpick about every little detail :lol
It's still not perfect, there's no MP.
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They should seriously release this kinda stuff on DTF first as a test, let us nitpick it to death, and then fix everything that's "wrong" about it and release it to the rest of the world. xD
Exactly. If it's something we DTFers know it's how to nitpick about every little detail :lol
I had to add the "K" to fix your post . . . you know, just to be nitpicky :biggrin:
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I loved the ADTOE tour lighting. Budokan was boring compared to that.
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I loved the ADTOE tour lighting. Budokan was boring compared to that.
Yeah, I think the live ADTOE tour lightning was very cool; although it was captured poorly in Luna Park. On the other hand, as it has been mentioned already, Budokan has an amazing film-esque quality to it that makes it very pleasant to watch.
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I loved the ADTOE tour lighting. Budokan was boring compared to that.
Yeah, I think the live ADTOE tour lightning was very cool; although it was captured poorly in Luna Park.
Agreed, I liked the lighting on that tour, however the hexagon screens got a little irritating to watch after a while - the AFTR tour and a sharper look to it all around.
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I love John's harmony on "through the looking glass".
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So the Blu-Ray/3CD won't be widely available like Luna Park was? Awwww. I remember when CiM came out, it was hell finding the version with the CDs. How long's this special edition up for pre-order?
My 2 cents:
As this would be very bad for all FANS overseas (paying extra cost with customs etc) I guess at one point everything will be avaialble on Amazon and the like, as it Washington for LALP. I will wait....
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Are we sure that the "new" mix is the one that we will find on the entire DVD / BluRay?
Should the master mix not have been finished weeks before? The concert was due for release within 6 weeks of posting the initial video mix after all... :-[
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Man I miss not having commentary - best part of the old DT live releases. I could listen to Scenes and LiT/5YiaL over and over because of the awesome commentary. Even MPs solo drum DVDs were great for the same reason.
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Are we sure that the "new" mix is the one that we will find on the entire DVD / BluRay?
Should the master mix not have been finished weeks before? The concert was due for release within 6 weeks of posting the initial video mix after all... :-[
I suspect it was a case of simply posting the incorrect, incomplete version of the video, and that the final mix was already done. I highly doubt they could have made such sudden changes this close to release in response to fans.
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Unless they hear the 17 cries of DTF fans saying, "I can't here the keyboard."
You know controversy and such. :lol
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Oh, I think that's me! :laugh:
I quite like being able to actually hear the keyboards and I'm not talking about it being this background noise crap, I wanna hear the details damnit! :P
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It's also a youtube clip and not a blue ray 5.1.
Hell I was there and the sound was muddled! :lol
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Fair point. If that's the case, I'm hoping the release mix will end up being the optimal version, perhaps even compared to the real thing. :lol
A lot of people mentioned not being about to hear the strings and choir very well at the venue, so I'm optimistic that it'll sound amazing on blu-ray.
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The choir was real strong and I could hear them clearly. The strings not so much. I was just underneath the balcony so there was a lot of boncing going on.
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The choir was real strong and I could hear them clearly. The strings not so much. I was just underneath the balcony so there was a lot of boncing going on.
Really? I was in the second row and I really couldn't hear either. I could sort of hear the orchestra on DoE and obviously IT but that's about it. I'm hoping on the dvd they come through much stronger.
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I haven't seen an official track list yet, so this is my theory on the breakdown of the set list on 3 CDs:
Disc 1
False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
The Shattered Fortress
On the Backs of Angels
The Looking Glass
Trial of Tears
Enigma Machine
Along for the Ride
Breaking All Illusions
Disc 2
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
Scarred
Space-Dye Vest
Disc 3 (with the Orchestra & Choir)
Illumination Theory
Overture 1928
Strange Déjà Vu
The Dance of Eternity
Finally Free
The first disc would run at about 73-75 minutes long, while the second would be about 40-45, and the third 45-50, depending on how much time they keep between songs, and the pre-encore applause/chanting, etc. etc.
If they cut out a lot of the between-song time, they could have easily sandwiched everything into 2 CDs, but I think they would've wanted to keep the Awake stuff all on one disc, and all the accompanied stuff on the last disc, which is fine by me. Hopefully the BR/3CD sets don't sell out from their website because I'm not sure I can pre-order quite yet. We'll see how much money I get on my next paycheck on the 3rd and how much will be left over after I pay rent.
-Marc.
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The choir was real strong and I could hear them clearly. The strings not so much. I was just underneath the balcony so there was a lot of boncing going on.
Really? I was in the second row and I really couldn't hear either. I could sort of hear the orchestra on DoE and obviously IT but that's about it. I'm hoping on the dvd they come through much stronger.
I think most people know depending on where you are in the room you can pick up different sounds. The Choir came through clear where I was.
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I found a picture of the backside op de Blu-Ray. Don't know if it's been posted before...
https://www.eci.nl/images/active/carrousel/fullsize/0016861753634_back.jpg
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Sounds promising. TLG streaming release looks and sounds great. Why do you think the bluray release of this one is more than LP? LP can be found under $14. It was that price as preorder and still is. This one is around $20.
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Probably because it's new.
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He's saying that LP was that price as preorder. When it was still new.
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He's saying that LP was that price as preorder. When it was still new.
Oh.
Huh. Not that I recall.
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BR is now listed at $16.99 on Amazon (USA).
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Breaking the Fourth Wall is the #1 in the "Music Video and Concerts" category on Amazon!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/movies-tv/2959141011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_mov_1_3_last
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I really hope they release another single, just like they did with Luna Park (they released both Pull me Under and On the Backs of Angels) before the release date.
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If that's the case, The enemy inside or Along for the ride would be my candidates.
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The choir was real strong and I could hear them clearly. The strings not so much. I was just underneath the balcony so there was a lot of boncing going on.
Really? I was in the second row and I really couldn't hear either. I could sort of hear the orchestra on DoE and obviously IT but that's about it. I'm hoping on the dvd they come through much stronger.
There was two HUGE disappointments with this show, and I mean huge. Let me first say, that this was a great show, and had it been in Philadelphia I would have been more than pleased, and I'm still happy with the rest of my trip and all, but my GF and I made this trip because of the specialness of this show. What we got was guests that were underutilized and not heard. At times the chorus could be made out, but the strings were non-existent except for playing on their own during IT. And several of the Awake songs would have been stellar with even a few strings, so why in the world would they bring this all together and only bring them out at IT? I assume things will be better on the blu-ray, but from a live perspective, the "awe factor" from Score outdid this show 10x. The orchestra was powerful, you felt all the different sections, they truly lifted already amazing songs to entirely new levels right before your eyes.
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Going into the concert, I thought for sure they would be playing the entire second set. Those Awake songs just made so much sense to get the strings/choir addition. I understand it takes a lot for the band to get that going while on tour, but it seems like a wasted opportunity.
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Could be that DT thought of the choir/orchestra idea relatively late and maybe they didn't have enough time to prepare/rehearse with them for all of the songs.
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I really wish the orchestra and choir stands out and works well. In Score it mars several songs with the off-pitch performances.
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I'm glad they didn't use the orchestra on the Awake songs. It'll be nice to get live versions of the entire back half of the album without the orchestra cluttering it up. Those songs are all great as is. :metal
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JP's solo at the end of Space Dye Vest is one of the best solos I've heard from anyone, anywhere. Seriously.
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JP's solo at the end of Space Dye Vest is one of the best solos I've heard from anyone, anywhere. Seriously.
Thats a big statement! You've heard alot of guitar solos Tim.
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JP's solo at the end of Space Dye Vest is one of the best solos I've heard from anyone, anywhere. Seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlKwWbQtWMg&t=2m14s
Best version I've ever heard!
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So I just received the download link for TLG, and damn does it sound awesome. It seems like I won't regret spending ~75€ on preorders :2metal:
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For the amount I'm paying for this, I'm framing that damn poster. :lol
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For the amount I'm paying for this, I'm framing that damn poster. :lol
:lol Yup, and it'll better be bigger than 30 x 50 cm or something like that :lol
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There was two HUGE disappointments with this show, and I mean huge. Let me first say, that this was a great show, and had it been in Philadelphia I would have been more than pleased, and I'm still happy with the rest of my trip and all, but my GF and I made this trip because of the specialness of this show. What we got was guests that were underutilized and not heard. At times the chorus could be made out, but the strings were non-existent except for playing on their own during IT. And several of the Awake songs would have been stellar with even a few strings, so why in the world would they bring this all together and only bring them out at IT? I assume things will be better on the blu-ray, but from a live perspective, the "awe factor" from Score outdid this show 10x. The orchestra was powerful, you felt all the different sections, they truly lifted already amazing songs to entirely new levels right before your eyes.
Yeah, this was my reaction too. Plus you couldn't see the strings.
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JP's solo at the end of Space Dye Vest is one of the best solos I've heard from anyone, anywhere. Seriously.
Thats a big statement! You've heard alot of guitar solos Tim.
I thought it was perfection.
JP's solo at the end of Space Dye Vest is one of the best solos I've heard from anyone, anywhere. Seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlKwWbQtWMg&t=2m14s
Best version I've ever heard!
It's very silimar.
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Bloomin 'eck. Just had to stump up 38 quid to get the bluray/cd version and it's only available through DT's own website. Amazon UK only selling the bluray/dvd with no cds at all.
You should feel proud I spent that much money on you DT, not many other bands would get away with that ridiculous price.
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Any idea if this will be released in HD Audio or Flak format? I'm thinking about just getting the BluRay and waiting around for a high end audio release. Thoughts?
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Any idea if this will be released in HD Audio or Flak format? I'm thinking about just getting the BluRay and waiting around for a high end audio release. Thoughts?
Unfortunately I don't think that will happen. The band didn't release Live at Luna Park that way, although they do seem like like HD Tracks, so maybe there's a hope.
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Just spitballing, but I would imagine there is less interest on the part of the band for putting the audio of a live album on HDtracks than for new studio material.
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Thanks guys, this helps. I'll get the CD package then. I just don't want to get burned like I did with DT12 when they offered HD tracks after the release date and didn't advertise it that way.
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Well, they could certainly still do that! :lol
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I really, REALLY don't see hi-res FLACs (besides the bootleg, which is 24/96).
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Man, i've been listening to the preorder mp3, and it sounds so good, especially the drums. Hopefully the good sound will continue on the next album.
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Man, i've been listening to the preorder mp3, and it sounds so good, especially the drums. Hopefully the good sound will continue on the next album.
I think that's the idea! That's far more realistic thinking than when Luna Park came out and everyone was underwhelmed by the sound production and there was a lot of hoping that the album would fix that and it would sound better. That mix isn't good, so it isn't going to sound good; but this one is another story. :metal
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Man I'm really looking forward to this release. It sounds great and everything is clear and has breathing room. I sure wish their studio albums were like this.
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I sure wish their studio albums were like this.
The future ones probably will be, as from this one song, we can already see that there is going to be quite a big difference between the sound of LaLP and BtFW. I suspect that Dream Theater may have been listening to the LaLP complaints and are using that feedback to make BtFW an improvement. I don't see why this wouldn't carry over to their studio albums.
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Based on the setlist, stage design, Labrie's current shape (better than previous tour imo, and songs that suit his voice better overall) and preview clip this could become my top live recording for DT. I really hope they keep the sound and that the performance is filmed better than LALP. Also, I pray to god that they did not leave in crap as the heavy breathing of Labrie, which ruined the acoustic sets and beginning of TSCO at LALP. Nearly all DT live recordings are flawed in one way or another, so I hope they were able to catch the whole band in great shape in a professional way this time.
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Based on the setlist, stage design, Labrie's current shape (better than previous tour imo, and songs that suit his voice better overall) and preview clip this could become my top live recording for DT. I really hope they keep the sound and that the performance is filmed better than LALP. Also, I pray to god that they did not leave in crap as the heavy breathing of Labrie, which ruined the acoustic sets and beginning of TSCO at LALP. Nearly all DT live recordings are flawed in one way or another, so I hope they were able to catch the whole band in great shape in a professional way this time.
LaBrie breathing was not that loud actually, but the compression in his track made it really noticeable and horrible sounding.
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Really loking forward to it, sounds and looks very nice and clear. LaBrie is getting better and better each release since octavarium-SC era. :metal
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Based on the setlist, stage design, Labrie's current shape (better than previous tour imo, and songs that suit his voice better overall) and preview clip this could become my top live recording for DT. I really hope they keep the sound and that the performance is filmed better than LALP. Also, I pray to god that they did not leave in crap as the heavy breathing of Labrie, which ruined the acoustic sets and beginning of TSCO at LALP. Nearly all DT live recordings are flawed in one way or another, so I hope they were able to catch the whole band in great shape in a professional way this time.
LaBrie breathing was not that loud actually, but the compression in his track made it really noticeable and horrible sounding.
I figured that it was not really Labrie's fault, as I saw him perform those songs really well during the DTOE tour, but if I understand correctly they made it loud and compressed and that is why it sounds like this? Maaaaaannn, I cannot even comprehend why one would make that decision and think it sounds good enough after listening to it :-\
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Based on the setlist, stage design, Labrie's current shape (better than previous tour imo, and songs that suit his voice better overall) and preview clip this could become my top live recording for DT. I really hope they keep the sound and that the performance is filmed better than LALP. Also, I pray to god that they did not leave in crap as the heavy breathing of Labrie, which ruined the acoustic sets and beginning of TSCO at LALP. Nearly all DT live recordings are flawed in one way or another, so I hope they were able to catch the whole band in great shape in a professional way this time.
LaBrie breathing was not that loud actually, but the compression in his track made it really noticeable and horrible sounding.
I figured that it was not really Labrie's fault, as I saw him perform those songs really well during the DTOE tour, but if I understand correctly they made it loud and compressed and that is why it sounds like this? Maaaaaannn, I cannot even comprehend why one would make that decision and think it sounds good enough after listening to it :-\
Me neither. But I was there and sounded beautiful and the acoustic set was the thing I was most exited about. Nice surprise for me when it came out :lol
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The mix during the acoustic set in LALP is horrible. The instruments are really low and the vocals are really high, making the "compression mistakes" very noticeable and annoying. It's a shame because I thought that JLB's performance of Beneath the Surface was really good (even better than the album), but playing both BTS versions (album and LALTP) back to back made me realize how inferior the Luna Park version is.
It's a shame.
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It's a shame because I thought that JLB's performance of Beneath the Surface was really good (even better than the album), but playing both BTS versions (album and LALTP) back to back made me realize how inferior the Luna Park version is.
It's a shame.
This may be ignorance on my part, but what is "LALTP"?
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Luna The Park?
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LIVE AT LASAGNE TOPPED PARMESAN :metal
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Live at Lick That Pen... hmm, no.
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Loose Anus Leaves Toilet Paper.
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Yeah, LALTP is a recording at Australia's Luna Park. The *the* added for recognition purposes.
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:lol
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Loose Anus Leaves Toilet Paper.
Now THAT is breaking the fourth wall!
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It's a shame because I thought that JLB's performance of Beneath the Surface was really good (even better than the album), but playing both BTS versions (album and LALTP) back to back made me realize how inferior the Luna Park version is.
It's a shame.
This may be ignorance on my part, but what is "LALTP"?
Live at Luna The Park? (unoriginal, I know).
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My brother and my two boys were at the show in Boston this past March, so I'm especially excited about the recordings coming out later this month. I wonder though, whether anyone knows whether or not the video will be available on iTunes...? Information on whether or not LALP would be available there was sketchy, but it ended up dropping on iTunes at about the same time it was available everywhere else. I think I'd rather have it in that format, but if anyone can confirm that it's NOT going to be available on iTunes, I'll place my $60 pre-order for the discs right now...
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Just think, 3 weeks time and we will all be watching this :metal
I hope the release another song before release.1 Maybe Along For The Ride?
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according to amazon.de, Mike Portnoy directed this thing. Surprising...
https://www.amazon.de/Dream-Theater-Breaking-Fourth-Boston/dp/B00MUDYJ4I/ref=pd_cp_d_1 (https://www.amazon.de/Dream-Theater-Breaking-Fourth-Boston/dp/B00MUDYJ4I/ref=pd_cp_d_1)
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I somehow doubt that.
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haha wow :lol
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Maybe that's why the initial YT mix was so bad.
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Maybe that's why the initial YT mix was so bad.
:lol
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So does anyone know whether or not this DVD will be available on iTunes...?
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So does anyone know whether or not this DVD will be available on iTunes...?
We only know what the band has announced thus far.
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Maybe that's why the initial YT mix was so bad.
Strangely enough, I wish I could hear that mix again to compare it. I can't shake the notion that I might have liked the earlier version better since it better represented the actual sound of the show.
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Maybe that's why the initial YT mix was so bad.
Strangely enough, I wish I could hear that mix again to compare it. I can't shake the notion that I might have liked the earlier version better since it better represented the actual sound of the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM&list=PL468EA511BDB5F27C
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Maybe that's why the initial YT mix was so bad.
Strangely enough, I wish I could hear that mix again to compare it. I can't shake the notion that I might have liked the earlier version better since it better represented the actual sound of the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7E_QvetVM&list=PL468EA511BDB5F27C
You Sir, are a saint. Thank you.
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Yeah, the old vid is still accessible if you have the link, but you can't search for it on youtube. I still think James sounds better in the old vid, but there's no denying the guitars and keyboards are more balanced in the new vid and there's generally more breathing room. Vocals become a bit too echoey like the Happy Holidays release though. There's clearly no winning this game, haha. :mehlin
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I just listened to both links on headphones and WOW do I stand corrected. The new version is far more sonically digestible. The reverb/space in James' vocals from the new video is less noticeable via headphones.
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The new version is far more sonically digestible.
I guess we finally did get that chocolate cake we were promised :P
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Just pre-ordered the Blu Ray from Amazon, only 15 bucks. Probably wont get it on release day though, for some reason its estimated to be delivered by Oct 10 which seems too long for it to ship, but I am assuming that is a poor estimate as even with the free shipping, most products if available get to me in 3-5 days at most.
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Just pre-ordered the Blu Ray from Amazon, only 15 bucks. Probably wont get it on release day though, for some reason its estimated to be delivered by Oct 10 which seems too long for it to ship, but I am assuming that is a poor estimate as even with the free shipping, most products if available get to me in 3-5 days at most.
I did this last week, they gave me an ETA of October 3rd.
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Just pre-ordered the Blu Ray from Amazon, only 15 bucks. Probably wont get it on release day though, for some reason its estimated to be delivered by Oct 10 which seems too long for it to ship, but I am assuming that is a poor estimate as even with the free shipping, most products if available get to me in 3-5 days at most.
I did this last week, they gave me an ETA of October 3rd.
hmm, wonder if they are getting a lot of orders. This happened once before when trying to pre-order a blu-ray concert (cant remember which) and on release day they sent an email saying it wouldnt ship for a few more days because they were already out of stock, in which case I cancelled and went to Best Buy.
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I checked again, they gave me a range: Oct. 3 - Oct. 7th.
Of course, on a separate purchase, they gave me an ETA of Sept 11th. I got it on the 9th.
*shrugs*
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I just listened to both links on headphones and WOW do I stand corrected. The new version is far more sonically digestible. The reverb/space in James' vocals from the new video is less noticeable via headphones.
Yeah, the new version is live-er.
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I just went to pre-order the BR/CD set from RoadRunner and it's $50 (without the poster), then add $16 for international shipping, then add surcharge and additional overcharge to go through customs, and I'm looking at maybe $80. To add insult to injury it's 4-6 weeks for international orders.
Sorry, as much as I want to support DT this is just too much. I think making this package exclusive through DT.net is a mistake. So, sadly, I'm just going to get the BR from my local store on release day for $22 and then just rip the audio and make my own CDs and MP3s.
:facepalm:
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I just went to pre-order the BR/CD set from RoadRunner and it's $50 (without the poster), then add $16 for international shipping, then add surcharge and additional overcharge to go through customs, and I'm looking at maybe $80. To add insult to injury it's 4-6 weeks for international orders.
Sorry, as much as I want to support DT this is just too much. I think making this package exclusive through DT.net is a mistake. So, sadly, I'm just going to get the BR from my local store on release day for $22 and then just rip the audio and make my own CDs and MP3s.
:facepalm:
Well, buying the Blu Ray is still supporting the band, but yeah I can see how that price is discouraging to international folks.
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I just went to pre-order the BR/CD set from RoadRunner and it's $50 (without the poster), then add $16 for international shipping, then add surcharge and additional overcharge to go through customs, and I'm looking at maybe $80. To add insult to injury it's 4-6 weeks for international orders.
Sorry, as much as I want to support DT this is just too much. I think making this package exclusive through DT.net is a mistake. So, sadly, I'm just going to get the BR from my local store on release day for $22 and then just rip the audio and make my own CDs and MP3s.
:facepalm:
While I am not international, I agree with you that the prices on the website compared to say Amazon are a joke. I got the Blu-ray for 15 dollars and I will be ripping the audio as well for my phone. CDs are kind of worthless to me.
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Same here, just ordered the Blu-ray, will rip the audio.
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I'm thinking about purchasing the bluray only addition. Remember wanting to get the Luna Park blurry but never did and now I'm glad I didn't since it doesn't seem to be that well received. Wonder if I should wait to pick up the new one until the reviews are out. Funds are a little tight right now. Any news on what the special features might be? I see the main show is around 2 hours.
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The main show is 2:45. Also Luna Park is awesome, there's just some flaws with the production in many people's opinions. I agree with some of them, but it doesn't ruin the whole thing at all. It's a great package.
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Also Luna Park is awesome. . . . It's a great package.
This.
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Agreed, while the mix isnt great, its still a really awesome blu-ray.
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Seeing Luna Park in a theater was awesome. And a DT first.
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Seeing Luna Park in a theater was awesome. And a DT first.
I agree, that was 10 pounds of fun in a 5 pound bag.
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guys, Dtimages on Instragram posted a video with probably booklet artwork, they're rebuses!
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I'm not sure about booklet artwork but funny thing!
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The official video for Strange Deja Vu is up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ncb21mbJE&feature=youtu.be
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ncb21mbJE
Strange Deja Vu :)
EDIT: Someone beat me to it, but damn great performance :D
Gotta say JLB sound fantastique!! He's just nailing it. Cameras please show us more JM and JR. Love the lick JP did around 3:10
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Holy shit those strings!!!
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Havent even finished watching and Im loving it.
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This is fuckn' amazing
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From comments here I'm looking forward to going home and actually hearing the strings for the first time.
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I'm not going to be able to watch it until tonight but it's great to hear your positive responses so far ;)
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that was awesome! it's nice to hear the strings... the whole concert was definitely too loud when I was there, it's gonna be great to actually be able to hear what's going on!
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This makes me want a newly recorded performance of SFAM so badly. Very pumped to get this Blu-ray!
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i always have this feeling that mangini is slowing the band down.
thats especially in the middle section at 2:58 where labrie starts singing again. i feel like labrie wants to sing faster and petrucci also plays faster but mangini is holding the tempo like a machine. because of this i feel the music is clumsy? i dont know if its the right word. i havent had that feeling with portnoy though
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I am officially stoked for this DVD.
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I can still barely hear the orchestra or the choir at all. It's like they're not even there. :/
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i always have this feeling that mangini is slowing the band down.
thats especially in the middle section at 2:58 where labrie starts singing again. i feel like labrie wants to sing faster and petrucci also plays faster but mangini is holding the tempo like a machine. because of this i feel the music is clumsy? i dont know if its the right word. i havent had that feeling with portnoy though
Literally, he probably is. I don't feel like he's "holding them back" (not saying that's what you're saying), but he definitely has a grip of the tempo and won't let go. The Live Scenes version of this song (and Beyond This Life) are cruisin' due to Portnoy speeding up the tempo, and the rest of the guys following along. But it seems that MM plays at album tempo when playing live, and my ears aren't used to that. As I Am from the Happy Holidays record also suffers from this.
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i always have this feeling that mangini is slowing the band down.
thats especially in the middle section at 2:58 where labrie starts singing again. i feel like labrie wants to sing faster and petrucci also plays faster but mangini is holding the tempo like a machine. because of this i feel the music is clumsy? i dont know if its the right word. i havent had that feeling with portnoy though
Mangini plays to a click track. The original studio verson click track. What you're hearing is the original tempo of the song.
Also, I don't know in which speakers are you guys that don't listen the orchestra/choir are listening this. I hear'em just nice.
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Dream Theater - Official Video Strange Deja Vu (Live From The Boston Opera House) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ncb21mbJE)
Ninja:d heavily!
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At first I was like: "what's this? I can't hear string." But then I realised I have my awful earphones on which destroy middle and high frequencies (but it works with great equalizer on PowerAmp). So I took better ones. Anyway... I'm happy to hear this, one of my favourite songs in this arrangement, strings, choir and ,what makes me happy, audible bass and bass drums. Terrific performance, too.
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I can still barely hear the orchestra or the choir at all. It's like they're not even there. :/
I hear both fine.
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Have to say it sounds really good! Sound very live:ish which is what I want when I hear a live dvd.
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I wouldn't say I hear them fine but I do hear them.
AND IT'S EPIC
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:rollin The cowbell at 2:57!
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Holy smoke, Batman! I just love that groove part and it sounds awesome. Two weeks left until post brings this gem! :corn
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Holy crap, that was awesome!
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I hadn't even listened for 15 seconds and I was already :jawdrop: :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Amazing.
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What a journey guys... what an amazing journey I've just been through...
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:rollin The cowbell at 2:57!
Haha, noticed it immediately. Another weird thing is the orchestra drums @ 1:30, took off my headphones for a second because I thought a plane was taking off in the neighborhood. Also, they guy behind the console @ 3:04.:lol
Really loving the sound, warm and balanced, crisp and lively. The drum sound is fantastic, huge and fat. The visuals are nice (plus points for showing Mike's feet), the performance is top notch (that JP guitar fill @ 3:10), this is shaping up to be one of their best live releases yet.
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You guys need to hear Illumination Theory with full volume. If I was from the committee I'd definitely give the grammy.
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You guys need to hear Illumination Theory with full volume. If I was from the committee I'd definitely give the grammy.
lol
:metal
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:lol :metal
Man I finally heard the string section! Sounds awesome!!
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The official video for Strange Deja Vu is up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ncb21mbJE&feature=youtu.be
I love the choir!
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I still think James is low in the mix. Other than that it is perfect.
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I didn't think Mangini could annoy me any more, but a headband? Seriously?
:lolpalm:
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I still think James is low in the mix. Other than that it is perfect.
Really It sounds about perfect for my tastes ! :)
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The strings and choir sound incredible! This might be the best live album yet :hefdaddy
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i always have this feeling that mangini is slowing the band down.
thats especially in the middle section at 2:58 where labrie starts singing again. i feel like labrie wants to sing faster and petrucci also plays faster but mangini is holding the tempo like a machine. because of this i feel the music is clumsy? i dont know if its the right word. i havent had that feeling with portnoy though
Literally, he probably is. I don't feel like he's "holding them back" (not saying that's what you're saying), but he definitely has a grip of the tempo and won't let go. The Live Scenes version of this song (and Beyond This Life) are cruisin' due to Portnoy speeding up the tempo, and the rest of the guys following along. But it seems that MM plays at album tempo when playing live, and my ears aren't used to that. As I Am from the Happy Holidays record also suffers from this.
To both of you - the band plays along to a click track now hence the timing being totally in sync with studio albums. This started during ADTOE tour.
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I didn't think Mangini could annoy me any more, but a headband? Seriously?
:lolpalm:
Yeah, I saw that too :lol
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wow, that is amazing. James sounds brilliant! :hefdaddy
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At the end, love the perfectly placed "Dio hands" in between JM and James and James and JP! :metal
I love that straight over the crowd full stage shot. Very cool.
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That JP lick just got me, unnecspected and awesome. I'm really pumped for this DVD, but I still think they are not that energetic on this tour.
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I didn't think Mangini could annoy me any more, but a headband? Seriously?
:lolpalm:
I think MP's leotard in 1993 was the real crime
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Hey, you guys lied! You said the strings and choir were only there for Illumination Theory!
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Hey, you guys lied! You said the strings and choir were only there for Illumination Theory!
No one said that.
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i always have this feeling that mangini is slowing the band down.
thats especially in the middle section at 2:58 where labrie starts singing again. i feel like labrie wants to sing faster and petrucci also plays faster but mangini is holding the tempo like a machine. because of this i feel the music is clumsy? i dont know if its the right word. i havent had that feeling with portnoy though
Literally, he probably is. I don't feel like he's "holding them back" (not saying that's what you're saying), but he definitely has a grip of the tempo and won't let go. The Live Scenes version of this song (and Beyond This Life) are cruisin' due to Portnoy speeding up the tempo, and the rest of the guys following along. But it seems that MM plays at album tempo when playing live, and my ears aren't used to that. As I Am from the Happy Holidays record also suffers from this.
To both of you - the band plays along to a click track now hence the timing being totally in sync with studio albums. This started during ADTOE tour.
Yeah, the ploddingness of the second half stood out, and yeah, it's due to the click track.
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Hey, you guys lied! You said the strings and choir were only there for Illumination Theory!
No one said that.
I know, I just need someone to blame for my disappointment because they didn't perform in OTBOA.
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IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT HEF!
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IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT HEF!
Sorry guys.
Look, I'll just have the orchestra and choir come to perform at your house. Will that make it OK?
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My house?
With or without DT?
Will Eren be there?
Do I have to put clothes on?
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Yes.
Without.
No.
No.
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Good. Because nothing beats listening to (orchestral) DT while naked.
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Looks and sounds great. :metal
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Good. Because nothing beats listening to (orchestral) DT while naked.
Looks and sounds great. :metal
Wow.
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:lol
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:lol
Kev, you should be honored.
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:rollin
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:lol :lol
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:djhef:
Now it's a party.
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And there go my pants.
:jackie:
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@ Bathroom, BRB.
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/kevshmev/JM.jpg)
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I can still barely hear the orchestra or the choir at all. It's like they're not even there. :/
I think people miss the the point of the orchestra.
Playing with an orchestra at a live show is not necessarily to have the orchestra assume any kind of lead role. It is rather an accompanying section to add environment and size.
The whole environment and ambiance that the orchestra adds to the mix makes the performance sound MUCH bigger.
Just because individual string melody lines may not be able to be picked out audibly does not mean that the orchestra is too low in the mix.
I guarantee that if someone were to totally mute the orchestra from this mix, you would be left with a much smaller sounding performance.
In other words, the orchestra is doing a LOT more than you think to the overall sound.
Side note, I have not posted here in almost a year! I have such phases with DT. I will listen to them every day for 4-5 months, but then take time off. Only to get back into them again, and repeat the cycle.
And finally....I absolutely love how Strange Deja Vu sounds!
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I think people miss the the point of the orchestra.
Playing with an orchestra at a live show is not necessarily to have the orchestra assume any kind of lead role. It is rather an accompanying section to add environment and size.
The whole environment and ambiance that the orchestra adds to the mix makes the performance sound MUCH bigger.
Just because individual string melody lines may not be able to be picked out audibly does not mean that the orchestra is too low in the mix.
I guarantee that if someone were to totally mute the orchestra from this mix, you would be left with a much smaller sounding performance.
In other words, the orchestra is doing a LOT more than you think to the overall sound.
While this is perfectly sensible in principle, if that's all they were going for then they don't need an orchestra and choir, because Jordan can do all of that.
I also found both far too low in the mix in that song, except in one section about half way through or slightly later (can't remember exactly) when suddenly the strings became much more prominent, and then I thought it worked great.
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Looks and sounds great to me! :metal I can hear the orchestra and choir just fine.
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awesome video, excited for the blu ray/cd
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There's one black guy in the choir headbanguin through the entire song lol
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I have a bit mixed reviews for the sound, at least the one of the new video. I think it lacks clarity, I.e. I find the sound somewhat mushy overall. I actually listened to the LSFNY version of the song right after to compare, and it sounds crisper.
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Only one thing: DAT COWBELL.
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James is still a little low in the mix, but it seems better than TLG vid. The performance is actually incredible and so much better than LALP. James has so much control over his voice and what he can do with it these days. It's great watching him being more comfortable and working with his voice as opposed it fighting against it and doing notes and phrasings that is a little unnatural at times.
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Wow
Now I´m really really hyped.
The song with the choirs and the orchestra sounds amazing. Everything is perfect.
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Great video! The orchestra and choir weren't very loud, but added a nice ambience. I kinda forgot they were there at one point, but they don't overwhelm the rest of the band either.
The band mix sounded great, and I had no problem with JLB's mix. I would have liked the bass a little louder for the big slide into the second verse, but overall no complaints. Definitely better than LALP. It goes without saying that JLB sounded excellent. Much smoother and nicer than LSFNY.
Again, the backup vocals let it down slightly. JP wasn't at the mic for the earlier backups, then he was at the mix for the JLB backup vocals. It's never going to look right.
I always loved the faster tempo on the second half, so I was expecting that to sound plodding, but it sounded fine. I do prefer them to bust out the faster tempo, but this way still worked well. I loved JP's bonus guitar lick. :hat
Very excited for this DVD. And Australia apparently gets it earlier too. :biggrin: I hope they have it in stock on the release date.
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Very excited for this DVD. And Australia apparently gets it earlier too. :biggrin: I hope they have it in stock on the release date.
I saw this too. We had to wait quite a while for Luna Park, but this one seems to be looking like it will be in stock on release date, or there abouts.
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Very excited for this DVD. And Australia apparently gets it earlier too. :biggrin: I hope they have it in stock on the release date.
I saw this too. We had to wait quite a while for Luna Park, but this one seems to be looking like it will be in stock on release date, or there abouts.
JB Hifi didn't have it in stock on the weekend it was released (I think it was released on the Friday), so I had to order that one online. Hopefully they have this one in store on the release date, because they're usually very reliable for having DT on the release date. Luckily I have two JB's very close to me, so that improves my chances.
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Very excited for this DVD. And Australia apparently gets it earlier too. :biggrin: I hope they have it in stock on the release date.
I saw this too. We had to wait quite a while for Luna Park, but this one seems to be looking like it will be in stock on release date, or there abouts.
JB Hifi didn't have it in stock on the weekend it was released (I think it was released on the Friday), so I had to order that one online. Hopefully they have this one in store on the release date, because they're usually very reliable for having DT on the release date. Luckily I have two JB's very close to me, so that improves my chances.
I know, JB up here didn't have Luna Park for a couple of weeks after the release if I remember correctly. I'm pretty confident we will get this one on time though.
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There's one black guy in the choir headbanguin through the entire song lol
Yeah, at the show my dad was like "You can tell that's the one guy that's a fan of them."
I might steal my grandparents' subwoofer for this release.
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I drug my heels about getting the bluray/3cd combo (some of you bastards are apparently good at copying the audio for that thing...me, I barely know how to use a computer) knowing I was going to buy it anyway. Still pissed its an exclusive and the shipping charge sucks but after hearing Strange Deja Vu, I realized I needed this release IMMEDIATELY.
Then the fuckers tacked on 3 dollars of tax in addition.
Anyway, I love EVERYTHING about the performance....except I was worried throughout the whole thing that James would fall into the pit...or even people in the front row would fall.
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I'm seeing them 3 days before the release date. I wonder if the dvd would be available at the merch store. I've seen this happening before, but not with DT. Anyone know about this?
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My plan is to get the 2DVD set from Amazon, then eventually get the BR/3CD set from the RR store. I'm sure they won't sell out - they've NEVER sold out of DT stuff AFAIK, so I feel like I can wait a couple weeks before ordering it.
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Holy hell! That was awesome. I'm even more excited about this release now :metal
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Yep, nothing more that needs to be said than it already needs to be said about that video. I also dig the overall vibe. It looks a lot less stressful and less of the "trying to pull the epic but didn't reach it, but it's still good" than Score. :tup
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Very nice! Looking forward to this. Looks and sounds very solid and the performance is great.
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God, the auto-tuning is so obvious in places. Lazy job on that one. Nothing against it, just make sure the audible artifacts are kept to a minimum.
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God, the auto-tuning is so obvious in places. Lazy job on that one. Nothing against it, just make sure the audible artifacts are kept to a minimum.
I didn't really notice any auto tuning at all on that performance. maybe I just wasn't paying that much attention, or looking out for it.
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Yeah I didn't notice anything stick out and I was actually listening carefully. :dunno:
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I noticed it, but it wasn't excessive at all imo. There was one note I heard it snap incorrectly, but aside from that, it didn't bother me. JLB is sounding great here.
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That JP lick just got me, unnecspected and awesome. I'm really pumped for this DVD, but I still think they are not that energetic on this tour.
Same here! In your face !
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Fortunately, for me, I've never been able to hear auto-tuning, unless it's at obvious Cher levels and done intentionally. In fact, couple my inability to hear it with my natural skepticism and I come away thinking that people just like to say they can hear auto-tuning to come off as experts.
I'm sure I'm wrong, of course. There are so many trained and expert level listeners on DTF.
I think the song sounds great and I'm very happy that I pre-ordered the Blu-ray!
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Fortunately, for me, I've never been able to hear auto-tuning, unless it's at obvious Cher levels and done intentionally. In fact, couple my inability to hear it with my natural skepticism and I come away thinking that people just like to say they can hear auto-tuning to come off as experts.
I'm sure I'm wrong, of course. There are so many trained and expert level listeners on DTF.
I think the song sounds great and I'm very happy that I pre-ordered the Blu-ray!
Nah, it's definitely possible to hear it if you know what you're listening out for and have a trained ear. JLB's vocals are so good lately that it's not applied heavily, and doesn't detract in the slightest from his performance here imo.
If you want to hear obvious overdone pitch correction, check out any Toto live album/DVD from the past decade. They're painful to me.
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I don't hear auto tune ever, too. So I'm listening audience bootleg of that show now and I hear one re-recorded part where James' voice cracked. Also, people on YT wrote where they think auto tune is used but I don't hear difference. It's easier to distinguish prerecorded backup vocals on bootleg than on video and backup vocals sound auto tuned, maybe it's it.
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In fact, couple my inability to hear it with my natural skepticism and I come away thinking that people just like to say they can hear auto-tuning to come off as experts.
Pretty much that. People tend to automatically play the "autotune" card whenever they hear any sort of vocal effect at all.
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I didn't think Mangini could annoy me any more, but a headband? Seriously?
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Yeah, I saw that too :lol
:rollin So tru dude, between that and Japanese hair straightening he is a goof. The man can play and seems to have substance just no style. At one point it looked like he used a hair bump but that hopefully would be too absurd. As far as the click track thing. I'm more old school and miss the Portnoy go with the feel of it all style. I always felt MP's feel style playing was in good contrast to JP's technically perfect style. Now it's just all a little too technically perfect for my tastes. Still love them but prefer the MP touch.
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In fact, couple my inability to hear it with my natural skepticism and I come away thinking that people just like to say they can hear auto-tuning to come off as experts.
Pretty much that. People tend to automatically play the "autotune" card whenever they hear any sort of vocal effect at all.
And people tend to play the "people aren't really hearing it" card when they can't hear it. Even when used subtly, it can be identified by clear characteristics, but it's not a bad thing!
It's only very light here, to about the same level as on Score, which is deservedly a highly praised vocal performance, as I'm sure this will be too. It's not affecting JLB's signature vibrato, and vibrato is one of the first things affected by pitch correction. You can't apply it that lightly unless the original vocal was damn good to begin with. Pitch correction just gives it that little bit of polish to help with the fact he only had one take for a 3 hour show, which is impressive in itself.
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Fortunately, for me, I've never been able to hear auto-tuning, unless it's at obvious Cher levels and done intentionally. In fact, couple my inability to hear it with my natural skepticism and I come away thinking that people just like to say they can hear auto-tuning to come off as experts.
I'm sure I'm wrong, of course. There are so many trained and expert level listeners on DTF.
I think the song sounds great and I'm very happy that I pre-ordered the Blu-ray!
Nah, it's definitely possible to hear it if you know what you're listening out for and have a trained ear. JLB's vocals are so good lately that it's not applied heavily, and doesn't detract in the slightest from his performance here imo.
If you want to hear obvious overdone pitch correction, check out any Toto live album/DVD from the past decade. They're painful to me.
If it is def used why would it allow a whole song to be sung flat and out of tune. Spaced Dyed Vest he kind of butchers at a few shows I've seen on you tube or is it only used when they are making a DVD?
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Totally impressed. Sounds bloody incredible to me.
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That second clip sounds amazing. :metal I was excited before but now I'm...double excited? :metal :metal
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I had to watch it again, I'm all smiles :)
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Fortunately, for me, I've never been able to hear auto-tuning, unless it's at obvious Cher levels and done intentionally. In fact, couple my inability to hear it with my natural skepticism and I come away thinking that people just like to say they can hear auto-tuning to come off as experts.
I'm sure I'm wrong, of course. There are so many trained and expert level listeners on DTF.
I think the song sounds great and I'm very happy that I pre-ordered the Blu-ray!
Nah, it's definitely possible to hear it if you know what you're listening out for and have a trained ear. JLB's vocals are so good lately that it's not applied heavily, and doesn't detract in the slightest from his performance here imo.
If you want to hear obvious overdone pitch correction, check out any Toto live album/DVD from the past decade. They're painful to me.
I don't doubt that at all. In this particular case, my ignorance is bliss!
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I didn't think it was excessive either. I mean, of course they used it, since all you need is to listen to the bootleg to hear that he was flat in a couple of spots.
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I listened to the whole bootleg at Boston and Labrie' performance was far from his best this actual tour. I like the second promotional song. I think they've re-recorded some vocal parts or used sections from other nights. I don't mind at all because I know he's been able to sing them beautifully throughout the tour. Labrie does not ceases to surprise me despite his age. What a vocalist....! Not only for his range but also for his emotional singing. Superb! Thank you DT. I still love what you do :)
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I can't distinguish any hints of autotune. Which part of the video is it allegedly at?
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That... Was... Awesome!!! :metal
I liked the vibe of that performance a lot. The band mix sounded really nice and the orchestra and choir added a nice element to fill out the sound.
And that JP improv! Freaking nasty!! Love it!
Great video, really liked some of the camera shots and the editing was good.
Overall, this video definitely got me even more pumped for this DVD!!
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Seriously, the vibe and energy in that song was what I've been waiting for from a DT dvd since Score.
Combine that with the visuals, the mix and the setlist, and this one is sure to be a winner! :biggrin:
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Hearing the sonic quality of this gives me great hope that DT13 will follow suit. This is a VAST sonic improvement that actually
sounds close to perfect. If the next album has this pristine clear quality I'll be a happy dude!
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I get that the role of the orchestra is supposed to fill in and provide an accompaniment, but their song choices for it elude me. They pick a lot of songs where they're having to shoehorn it into various places, which is the problem almost everybody has doing these sorts of gigs. Metropolis was a fine example of that. Does Dance of Eternity really need orchestral bits? Strange Deja Vous? There were a lot of songs on that setlist where it would have worked well. I haven't heard any of it so for all I know they found a way to make it work, but based on past experience I'm definitely not holding my breath.
Also, what's with sticking them in the pit? Nobody in the audience can see them and it puts the band 20' from the audience.
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I thought the orchestra worked incredibly well with Metropolis Pt. 1.
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Am I the only one missing the usual JR smiles / rocking out along with JM's focused face and insane finger movement?
There was so much JP, MM, and JLB!
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Am I the only one missing the usual JR smiles / rocking out along with JM's focused face and insane finger movement?
There was so much JP, MM, and JLB!
Yeah it was my only problem with the video, otherwise it's perfect, but i wanted to see more of JR, not only his fingers but his facial expressions as well.
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Yeah, same here. I'm not trying to nitpick, I just love seein' all the guys. Other than than it's perfection :o
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That performance of Strange Deja Vu was so good, I replayed it a bunch of times last night. I'm more pumped for this release! :metal
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I thought the orchestra worked incredibly well with Metropolis Pt. 1.
Definitely my favorite song with the Octavarium orchestra.
Also, what's with sticking them in the pit? Nobody in the audience can see them and it puts the band 20' from the audience.
Im like half and half with this. I think its kind of cool because its a different way of doing it. Most bands have the orchestra behind them and I enjoy this simply because its different. The part I dont like is the rest of the concert with all that black blank space that you can see on The Looking Glass. SOme of the shots look like the band is playing in a dark empty room. Ill have a better grasp on this when the DVD is released.
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Also, what's with sticking them in the pit? Nobody in the audience can see them and it puts the band 20' from the audience.
Well, that's the pit for the orchestra. I guess it makes sense they are playing down there. :lol
Maybe the stage wasn't so big as RCMH's to fit the whole orchestra behind the band.
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I get that the role of the orchestra is supposed to fill in and provide an accompaniment, but their song choices for it elude me. They pick a lot of songs where they're having to shoehorn it into various places, which is the problem almost everybody has doing these sorts of gigs. Metropolis was a fine example of that. Does Dance of Eternity really need orchestral bits? Strange Deja Vous? There were a lot of songs on that setlist where it would have worked well. I haven't heard any of it so for all I know they found a way to make it work, but based on past experience I'm definitely not holding my breath.
Well, it's not as if the Boston setlist was different from the other shows. So, realistically, they wanted to have the real orchestra for IT, and then decided it would look silly if they brought in a whole orchestra for a single song.
Whether DT should have played a different setlist to work better with an orchestra is a different question, but I think these days DT has rather limited flexibility in those things.
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Was there any word as to the BluRay+CD combo being limited to only the RoadRunner store? I've been waiting for it to pop up elsewhere and it hasn't.
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I can't distinguish any hints of autotune. Which part of the video is it allegedly at?
The entire thing. Except it's not autotune, it's post production pitch correction. And it's very subtle and well done. I believe what people are mostly noticing and calling out on, are the parts of the chorus that have backup harmonies, considering the pre-recorded harmonies are studio samples and are already pitch corrected, they're gonna sound less 'live' than the lead vocal performance.
Fortunately, for me, I've never been able to hear auto-tuning, unless it's at obvious Cher levels and done intentionally. In fact, couple my inability to hear it with my natural skepticism and I come away thinking that people just like to say they can hear auto-tuning to come off as experts.
I'm sure I'm wrong, of course. There are so many trained and expert level listeners on DTF.
I think the song sounds great and I'm very happy that I pre-ordered the Blu-ray!
Nah, it's definitely possible to hear it if you know what you're listening out for and have a trained ear. JLB's vocals are so good lately that it's not applied heavily, and doesn't detract in the slightest from his performance here imo.
If you want to hear obvious overdone pitch correction, check out any Toto live album/DVD from the past decade. They're painful to me.
If it is def used why would it allow a whole song to be sung flat and out of tune. Spaced Dyed Vest he kind of butchers at a few shows I've seen on you tube or is it only used when they are making a DVD?
Only used when making the DVD. Live autotune can be a risky game unless the singer already has generally pretty awesome pitch control, because they have to be within a half step of the note, or their pitch is gonna get dragged to the nearest half step above or below the pitch they're going for (James wouldn't dare use it live because his vibrato style would confuse the autotuner). The irony of using live auto-tune professionally is that if you can use it effectively, then you probably don't need it. Of course you can tune it to a particular mode, like say; the scale of the key a song is in. Then you'll get tuned to the the nearest tone instead of the nearest semitone, but then you're eliminating half the notes in the octave and by this point it becomes difficult to make it sound subtle live. Not to mention if the composition develops in any of the ways that the average DT piece does, then you're gonna have to prepare to tune your key changes and it just gets way to complicated. Most, if not all artists will use subtle pitch correction in post production if releasing a live show though.
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I noticed it, but it wasn't excessive at all imo. There was one note I heard it snap incorrectly, but aside from that, it didn't bother me. JLB is sounding great here.
The first "toNIGHT I've been..." is the incorrect note, correct? I noticed that on my first listen. The "to-" and the "-night" should be different, but they are the exact same pitch.
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I noticed it, but it wasn't excessive at all imo. There was one note I heard it snap incorrectly, but aside from that, it didn't bother me. JLB is sounding great here.
The first "toNIGHT I've been..." is the incorrect note, correct? I noticed that on my first listen. The "to-" and the "-night" should be different, but they are the exact same pitch.
Dream Theater fans.
Breaking mistakes one syllable at a time since 1989.
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Enjoyed the clip. As Rumby said, I'm not too enthused with the mix; it's really loud and everything just sort of blends together. While I can sort of hear the choir and the strings, there's not much clarity, which is important when you have that many musicians playing at the same time.
Other than the sound, the video was cool. The cowbell and JP's "bonus lick" during the rocking verse were a good touch.
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I get that the role of the orchestra is supposed to fill in and provide an accompaniment, but their song choices for it elude me. They pick a lot of songs where they're having to shoehorn it into various places, which is the problem almost everybody has doing these sorts of gigs. Metropolis was a fine example of that. Does Dance of Eternity really need orchestral bits? Strange Deja Vous? There were a lot of songs on that setlist where it would have worked well. I haven't heard any of it so for all I know they found a way to make it work, but based on past experience I'm definitely not holding my breath.
Well, it's not as if the Boston setlist was different from the other shows. So, realistically, they wanted to have the real orchestra for IT, and then decided it would look silly if they brought in a whole orchestra for a single song.
Whether DT should have played a different setlist to work better with an orchestra is a different question, but I think these days DT has rather limited flexibility in those things.
Yeah. Ain't that the sad truth.
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I noticed it, but it wasn't excessive at all imo. There was one note I heard it snap incorrectly, but aside from that, it didn't bother me. JLB is sounding great here.
The first "toNIGHT I've been..." is the incorrect note, correct? I noticed that on my first listen. The "to-" and the "-night" should be different, but they are the exact same pitch.
Yeah, right at the 2:00 mark, but it's still in key, so it doesn't sound bad. There's also one note in the intro of TSCO on Score where it snaps a semi-tone higher, which again was still in key and didn't sound bad.
Total nitpicking, of course. JLB sounds better now than he did 15 years ago singing the same song on LSFNY. LALP and from what we've heard so far of BTFW are definitely among his best live releases.
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So this is gonna be the best DT Concert movie since Score - which was 2006 ?
Almost 10 years ago ?
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So this is gonna be the best DT Concert movie since Score - which was 2006 ?
Almost 10 years ago ?
Probably, but in that time they've only had two other DVDs, one of which wasn't intended as a dedicated concert DVD in the first place, and so didn't have the money behind the production for filming and sound etc, and another DVD which is still very good, and not far behind what we expect this one will be.
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My body is ready for this release.
I feel the need to elaborate... Score is a good live album, but I always was disappointed in the orchestra itself. The strings were not in tune, and it just felt a bit more.... awkward? I'm not sure the word I'm looking for there. No matter, having seen this newest clip, it really seems like they nailed it. I kind of think that Rush's use of orchestra (string players, really) on the Clockwork Angel's tour was some of the best use of strings in a rock setting as of late, and I think BTFW could match the level set there.
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I can't say they nailed it. The sound engineers totally butchered the show, so I don't know if even Eren could hear the strings outside The Embracing Circle. I only listened to this with garbage earbuds, but I could hear the loudness (which I kind of liked, actually) and not the strings.
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I can hear the strings well. They are playing Rudess' parts.
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I can hear the strings well. They are playing Rudess' parts.
Its an orchestra, not just strings. For instance, can you hear the wind or brass sections? I'm sure there are many intricacies lost in this mix. I suspect the arrangement goes WAY beyond just playing Jordan's parts, but I cannot hear those details.
For instance, can anyone tell me what the orchestra is playing at 2:46 of SDV? The studio version does not have keyboards during this section, and Jordan appears to be tacit as well, but clearly the orchestra is playing something here. Can anyone tell me? Taken out of the mix???
Love the contributions of the choir. The orchestra needs more separation in the mix.
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The cowbell... were a good touch.
I thought the cowbell sounded completely out of place, even like ot was a mistake :-\
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The cowbell... were a good touch.
I thought the cowbell sounded completely out of place, even like ot was a mistake :-\
It sounded like a mistake to me, or at least out of place, as you said. I don't mind the occasional mistake to remind me that they are in fact human. :lol
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Yea definitly a mistake. I think he has a pedal with a cowbell, probably touched that while hitting the pedal next to it given he has many pedals next to eachother.
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I can hear the strings well. They are playing Rudess' parts.
Its an orchestra, not just strings. For instance, can you hear the wind or brass sections?
In fact, it is just strings.
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I can hear the strings well. They are playing Rudess' parts.
Its an orchestra, not just strings. For instance, can you hear the wind or brass sections?
In fact, it is just strings.
and woodwinds and timpani. Also spotted a french horn so there's probably a small brass section.
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I can hear the strings well. They are playing Rudess' parts.
Its an orchestra, not just strings. For instance, can you hear the wind or brass sections?
In fact, it is just strings.
Pretty sure I'm seeing some woodwinds at the back of the pit.
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Yea, you can see some woodwinds in the back, tough to see though.
I think for everyone complaining about not hearing this or that, havent we learned to wait until the release to judge the sound and not go by youtube?
I think this mix is pretty good through youtube and I expect to to be better on blu-ray. I dont expect any complaints from myself.
And that cowbell really is a mistake? It sounds like it almost kind of works in that spot. I find it weird that they would leave a mistake that noticeable in.
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Whoops, I remember them promoting it as "string section and choir", so I assumed that was everything.
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The cowbell... were a good touch.
I thought the cowbell sounded completely out of place, even like ot was a mistake :-\
Cowbell is never a mistake.
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We need more cowbell in our lives.
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The cowbell... were a good touch.
I thought the cowbell sounded completely out of place, even like ot was a mistake :-\
Cowbell is never a mistake.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I'm tellin' ya, you're gonna want that cowbell.
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Enjoyed the clip. As Rumby said, I'm not too enthused with the mix; it's really loud and everything just sort of blends together. While I can sort of hear the choir and the strings, there's not much clarity, which is important when you have that many musicians playing at the same time.
Other than the sound, the video was cool. The cowbell and JP's "bonus lick" during the rocking verse were a good touch.
I was there for the performance. Just behind and to the right of the center camera. If you think this video sounds all mashed together, you should have heard the actual concert. Dream Theater have been way, way too loud in their live performances for quite a few tours in a row now. At least here in Boston, at the venues I've seen them in -The Orpheum Theater and The Boston Opera House. The Orpheum is a shit hole. And Dream Theater have outgrown it. Their sound, particularly the volume, is overwhelming at the Orpheum. The Boston Opera House is a much nicer venue overall, but the acoustics there are less than ideal for the kind of music Dream Theater plays. It sounded slightly better than the Orpheum, but I think someone in Dream Theater's crew equates volume with quality, because the last couple of times I've seen them they've been way too fucking loud. Even with ear plugs.
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That whole "is it loud? Yeah? Well, metal is supposed to be loud" thing by JLB was unintentionally ill-placed, yeah.
DT really needs to switch their standard venue.
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This was a fucking LOUD show, and it's not cuz I'm a Fogey. It was loud!!
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I think someone in Dream Theater's crew equates volume with quality, because the last couple of times I've seen them they've been way too fucking loud. Even with ear plugs.
That's interesting, because I've seen them this year in a relatively big outdoors venue and it wasn't loud at all. In fact, it was the quietest outdoors metal concert I've ever been at (that's not a complaint though, it sounded great). I was standing in the 4th row middle and could talk to my friend without shouting in his ear. After the show I didn't even have tinnitus and I get it after playing drums without plugs for 1-2 hours. The usual summer metal fest makes my ears ring for 1-2 days. That said, it still could have been too loud for an indoor venue, but I don't think they blindly and dogmatically follow the "louder is better" principle.
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That whole "is it loud? Yeah? Well, metal is supposed to be loud" thing by JLB was unintentionally ill-placed, yeah.
DT really needs to switch their standard venue.
That entire mentality is a problem for Dream Theater, and a problem for any band.
The proper mentality for metal should be, "we should make it as loud as we can while still sounding good". Far too many bands don't seem to care too much about the second half of that.
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I think you guys are taking JLB's comment way too seriously. JLB sucks at on-stage banter, and he's even said it himself. I really doubt he meant any harm upon saying "is it loud? yeah, rock's supposed to be loud!" comment. That's probably a "are you having a good time?" in his world. Rock concerts are loud, have always been loud, and will always be loud.
The audio-process-loudness is a whole other story. Although this release is as loud as everything that DT has put out since some good years, it doesn't sound muddy or bad to me. It packs a real good punch, so that's good enough for me.
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That whole "is it loud? Yeah? Well, metal is supposed to be loud" thing by JLB was unintentionally ill-placed, yeah.
DT really needs to switch their standard venue.
That entire mentality is a problem for Dream Theater, and a problem for any band.
The proper mentality for metal should be, "we should make it as loud as we can while still sounding good". Far too many bands don't seem to care too much about the second half of that.
I'm fine with this, but I don't think DT is past that point. Their problem is internal. I've heard bands play every bit as loud as DT and sound fantastic.
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I think you guys are taking JLB's comment way too seriously. JLB sucks at on-stage banter, and he's even said it himself. I really doubt he meant any harm upon saying "is it loud? yeah, rock's supposed to be loud!" comment. That's probably a "are you having a good time?" in his world. Rock concerts are loud, have always been loud, and will always be loud.
You may have misunderstood my comment. Obviously JLB's comment was meant in a "are you having a good time?!" kind of vibe. I'm just saying that it was unfortunate to ask that question in a concert that was, to the audience, way too loud to still be enjoyed.
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I think people miss the the point of the orchestra.
Playing with an orchestra at a live show is not necessarily to have the orchestra assume any kind of lead role. It is rather an accompanying section to add environment and size.
The whole environment and ambiance that the orchestra adds to the mix makes the performance sound MUCH bigger.
Just because individual string melody lines may not be able to be picked out audibly does not mean that the orchestra is too low in the mix.
I guarantee that if someone were to totally mute the orchestra from this mix, you would be left with a much smaller sounding performance.
In other words, the orchestra is doing a LOT more than you think to the overall sound.
While this is perfectly sensible in principle, if that's all they were going for then they don't need an orchestra and choir, because Jordan can do all of that.
I also found both far too low in the mix in that song, except in one section about half way through or slightly later (can't remember exactly) when suddenly the strings became much more prominent, and then I thought it worked great.
I agree that Jordan can certainly add beautiful orchestral environment with his keyboard presets, but the overall dimension and saturation that a real orchestra adds to a live setting is untouchable when compared with a synthetic instrument.
Also, having the orchestra lets Jordan focus 100% on his parts, while the orchestra adds an entirely new dimension in the mix.
I wouldn't mind the orchestra being more prominent as well, but there is no substitute for having an entire orchestra added to a live setting.
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Anybody else order through RR and get shipping info? I did and I don't know if that means it will take 13 days to get here or if I'm getting it earlier but either way that is sort of odd.
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My automatic reply from RR said that shipping would take 7 - 10 days. I placed the order last week, and hopefully I'll get the shipping confirmation email sometime next week. That's my expectation anyway.
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I think you guys are taking JLB's comment way too seriously. JLB sucks at on-stage banter, and he's even said it himself. I really doubt he meant any harm upon saying "is it loud? yeah, rock's supposed to be loud!" comment. That's probably a "are you having a good time?" in his world. Rock concerts are loud, have always been loud, and will always be loud.
You may have misunderstood my comment. Obviously JLB's comment was meant in a "are you having a good time?!" kind of vibe. I'm just saying that it was unfortunate to ask that question in a concert that was, to the audience, way too loud to still be enjoyed.
As I've said before, my Dad was at a 2003 DT/QR show that was allegedly far louder than Boston. Boston had several sound issues though, not just volume. The frequency was awkward so the mids were absurdly loud. There was clipping in the sound system (for some reason). The mix had way too much guitar and too little of anything else.
I thought that 2010 Worcester was loud but at that show I was close to the stage. Naturally I can't remember it at all :/ .
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I think you guys are taking JLB's comment way too seriously. JLB sucks at on-stage banter, and he's even said it himself. I really doubt he meant any harm upon saying "is it loud? yeah, rock's supposed to be loud!" comment. That's probably a "are you having a good time?" in his world. Rock concerts are loud, have always been loud, and will always be loud.
You may have misunderstood my comment. Obviously JLB's comment was meant in a "are you having a good time?!" kind of vibe. I'm just saying that it was unfortunate to ask that question in a concert that was, to the audience, way too loud to still be enjoyed.
As I've said before, my Dad was at a 2003 DT/QR show that was allegedly far louder than Boston. Boston had several sound issues though, not just volume. The frequency was awkward so the mids were absurdly loud. There was clipping in the sound system (for some reason). The mix had way too much guitar and too little of anything else.
I thought that 2010 Worcester was loud but at that show I was close to the stage. Naturally I can't remember it at all :/ .
Of the sound issues, too much guitar was absolutely the biggest problem.
In Philly JPs guitar rig had a hiccup during I believe Scarred. Point being is it brought his volume down and it was MUCH better from there on out.
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I didn't think it was as bad as 2012 Huntington, in which all I could hear was guitar though.
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It seems I was extremely lucky in Mexico City. The sound was probably one of the best I've ever heard live (being Roger Waters - Dark Side of the Moon in 2006 the absolute best). It wasn't loud-painful, it was powerful, it was balanced, it was awesome.
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I remember in January the sound dropped out several times, and the frequencies were pretty fucked up as well.
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Riverside sounded particularly amazing.
But yeah, since my first time seeing them in 1994, DT has always had a "louder is better" live approach. At first, I thought it was to hide any mistakes or gaffs. But I think it was just the mentality of metal bands coming from the 80's (to be the heaviest and loudest ever).
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Seriously, it is so weird that *the* band comprised of top-notch musicians is the one that has consistently struggled the most with having a good sound, both live and on record.
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Chipping in to say that I saw them in Sheffield UK back in July and they sounded great. I have been to DT shows that were painfully loud, but July was loud but with a lot of room in the mix.
Having seen Extreme the night before who were ridiculously loud to the point that it was just white noise, I could make a good comparison.
I agree rumborak.....It just seems so obvious really. I don't know how or why a "mature" band like DT manage to sound so bad at times.
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Seriously, it is so weird that *the* band comprised of top-notch musicians is the one that has consistently struggled the most with having a good sound, both live and on record.
I know that DT isn't Steven Wilson's cup of tea, but it would be amazing to have Steven mix a DT record. Let alone, produce it.
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Considering that one loses hearing sensitivity continuously, your logic is flawed.
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Seriously, it is so weird that *the* band comprised of top-notch musicians is the one that has consistently struggled the most with having a good sound, both live and on record.
I know that DT isn't Steven Wilson's cup of tea, but it would be amazing to have Steven mix a DT record. Let alone, produce it.
Thinking about that already gave me a boner.
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Considering that one loses hearing sensitivity continuously, your logic is flawed.
Honestly, I always think that somebody should bring a sound meter to the venue and measure it. I'm pretty sure they're violating state law with their volumes.
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Regardless, I am joking with that. I always am reminded of the scene from Airheads when someone says its too loud.
In my experience, I haven't noticed DT being any louder than other metal bands I have seen.
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That may be so, but DT's music is of a complexity that you can't just crank it to the standard metal bands' level where all you hear (and all you really need to hear) is chugga-chugga.
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That may be so, but DT's music is of a complexity that you can't just crank it to the standard metal bands' level where all you hear (and all you really need to hear) is chugga-chugga.
True, but many people still go to the concerts to see a metal show. I am not arguing against you, id prefer a less loud and more clear concert, but my experiences have generally been fine.
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So this is gonna be the best DT Concert movie since Score - which was 2006 ?
Almost 10 years ago ?
no...since Luna park is rated higher than Score... at least by me
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So this is gonna be the best DT Concert movie since Score - which was 2006 ?
Almost 10 years ago ?
no...since Luna park is rated higher than Score... at least by me
Would love to hear you elaborate on this one
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LaLP has better picture, thats about it. Score's picture quality is fairly poor IMO.
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IF YOU TRULY AGREE WITH THIS
YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
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Considering that one loses hearing sensitivity continuously, your logic is flawed.
Honestly, I always think that somebody should bring a sound meter to the venue and measure it. I'm pretty sure they're violating state law with their volumes.
While I'm not at all for loud concerts, I think suggesting someone bring a sound meter to a gig because of volume laws is an indication you're getting too old. :lol
When I remember, I bring earplugs. It doesn't sound as good as a lower volume gig, but at some venues I don't think it's really possible.
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You don't go out you liar.
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Seriously, it is so weird that *the* band comprised of top-notch musicians is the one that has consistently struggled the most with having a good sound, both live and on record.
Interesting.
For myself, there's nothing that really bothers me too much, I just accept it as the way they want it, like if John Petrucci wants to write about ghouls and ghosts for an album or whatever.
However, I see countless posts year after year about the struggles but the problem is that they go from "sounds great" to "sounds shit" from one post to the next. It seems to me like we could just say all the opinions just cancel each other out and stop endlessly obsessing over it... but then where's the fun in that.
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IF YOU DON'T LIKE DEATH, YOU DON'T LIKE METAL
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So this is gonna be the best DT Concert movie since Score - which was 2006 ?
Almost 10 years ago ?
no...since Luna park is rated higher than Score... at least by me
Would love to hear you elaborate on this one
If nothing else, the set list on Luna Park destroys the one on Score. Score does have some spectacular performances of Octavarium, The Spirit Carries On, Raise the Knife and Afterlife, but Luna Park is more consistently high quality, IMO.
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Bit late to the party, but the Strange Deja Vu clip is great! I got goosebumps at the choruses when the real strings came in. Makes me wonder what SFAM as a whole would sound like with a real orchestra.
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Seriously, it is so weird that *the* band comprised of top-notch musicians is the one that has consistently struggled the most with having a good sound, both live and on record.
like if John Petrucci wants to write about ghouls and ghosts for an album or whatever.
HE IS RISEN UP
OUT OF THE BLACKNESS
CHAOS
PHAROAH
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So this is gonna be the best DT Concert movie since Score - which was 2006 ?
Almost 10 years ago ?
no...since Luna park is rated higher than Score... at least by me
Would love to hear you elaborate on this one
If nothing else, the set list on Luna Park destroys the one on Score. Score does have some spectacular performances of Octavarium, The Spirit Carries On, Raise the Knife and Afterlife, but Luna Park is more consistently high quality, IMO.
Destroys?? Another Won, Innocence Faded. Score setlist by miles. But totally agree about Luna Park consistent high quality.
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However, I see countless posts year after year about the struggles but the problem is that they go from "sounds great" to "sounds shit" from one post to the next. It seems to me like we could just say all the opinions just cancel each other out and stop endlessly obsessing over it... but then where's the fun in that.
I would argue that, if the posts cancel out, which means 50% of the people saying the sound isn't good, you have a problem.
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I hate to say this, but although I was really looking forward to this DVD, the mixing of the orchestra really, really bothers me. In the SDV video, from 2:49 you can see the orchestra playing but you can barely hear them. And I have a pretty great stereo set. I had to strain to hear them on both my stereo set and on my decent headphones (Sennheiser HD205). The mixing of the Orchestra on Score was way better. I'm really disappointed.
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The Vancouver show in April had a perfect sound level. It was loud, but not overly loud, and you could hear everybody well.
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Seriously, it is so weird that *the* band comprised of top-notch musicians is the one that has consistently struggled the most with having a good sound, both live and on record.
Maybe it is because sound is purely a matter of taste. I doubt that guys haven't liked the sound on their album after finishing it but try to find a sound that fits for every fan's ear :)
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I hate to say this, but although I was really looking forward to this DVD, the mixing of the orchestra really, really bothers me. In the SDV video, from 2:49 you can see the orchestra playing but you can barely hear them. And I have a pretty great stereo set. I had to strain to hear them on both my stereo set and on my decent headphones (Sennheiser HD205). The mixing of the Orchestra on Score was way better. I'm really disappointed.
It was so annoying to figure you meant "Strange Deja-Vu" and realizing they didn't release a preview of Space-Dye Vest yet. We really need to cut it out with abbreviations :P
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Just chiming on to say that as loud as DT has been lately, I've found them to be reasonably well mixed.
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Was deciding whether to purchase this from the DT site or not (the BR/CD version). In the end I couldnt justify the price - just checked Amazon UK and its currently listed at £10.88 for the Blu Ray!
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So this is gonna be the best DT Concert movie since Score - which was 2006 ?
Almost 10 years ago ?
no...since Luna park is rated higher than Score... at least by me
Would love to hear you elaborate on this one
If nothing else, the set list on Luna Park destroys the one on Score. Score does have some spectacular performances of Octavarium, The Spirit Carries On, Raise the Knife and Afterlife, but Luna Park is more consistently high quality, IMO.
Destroys?? Another Won, Innocence Faded.
Yup...those are two good reasons why Luna Park destroys Score.
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I hate to say this, but although I was really looking forward to this DVD, the mixing of the orchestra really, really bothers me. In the SDV video, from 2:49 you can see the orchestra playing but you can barely hear them. And I have a pretty great stereo set. I had to strain to hear them on both my stereo set and on my decent headphones (Sennheiser HD205). The mixing of the Orchestra on Score was way better. I'm really disappointed.
Good god man, I don't agree with using youtube as a scapegoat to blame all sound issues on, but at the very least wait til the DVD comes out to hear it properly. Simple fact is, it's too soon to know for sure. I bet it's not too soon for people to preemptively judge the entire performance based on two songs with youtube encoding though. It might very well be a fair representation of the mix, but it still won't be identical to the native sound that the DVD will output. I'm sure the discussions will be all over this forum in about a week and a half. ;)
Also, when you said SDV it properly confused me aswell. :P
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Yea, I think youtube gives a good idea of the mix, but the blu-ray will have the definitive sound and until we hear that, we should reserve our judgments on how this will sound.
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I'm not judging the final product, but I do agree that when I heard the clip, I could not hear the orchestra *AT ALL*.
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I hate to say this, but although I was really looking forward to this DVD, the mixing of the orchestra really, really bothers me. In the SDV video, from 2:49 you can see the orchestra playing but you can barely hear them. And I have a pretty great stereo set. I had to strain to hear them on both my stereo set and on my decent headphones (Sennheiser HD205). The mixing of the Orchestra on Score was way better. I'm really disappointed.
Good god man, I don't agree with using youtube as a scapegoat to blame all sound issues on, but at the very least wait til the DVD comes out to hear it properly. Simple fact is, it's too soon to know for sure. I bet it's not too soon for people to preemptively judge the entire performance based on two songs with youtube encoding though. It might very well be a fair representation of the mix, but it still won't be identical to the native sound that the DVD will output. I'm sure the discussions will be all over this forum in about a week and a half. ;)
Also, when you said SDV it properly confused me aswell. :P
Sure I'll wait, but the fact that it's 1080p on Youtube and still doesn't sound very good (with regard to the orchestra mix) does at least say something, don't you think?
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1080p doesn't mean jack diddly shit in terms of audio quality, except that the associated Youtube format has a slightly acceptable bitrate.
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Fair enough, I thought the audio qualities on Youtube were directly related to the video qualities.
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If people can't hear the orchestra it's because they have piss poor hearing. It's loud and clear, especially the strings. It's hilarious when people say things like "I couldn't hear the bass" lol, that's because they don't know how to pick it out in the mix. People like that wouldn't hear it if it bit them in the ballsack.
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If people can't hear the orchestra it's because they have piss poor hearing. It's loud and clear, especially the strings. It's hilarious when people say things like "I couldn't hear the bass" lol, that's because they don't know how to pick it out in the mix. People like that wouldn't hear it if it bit them in the ballsack.
The fact is that it's way quieter than say the keyboards or the guitar. Bringing it up in the mix a bit would be much appreciated, just like the bass. In a band setting, the bass should be nearly as loud or as loud as the guitar. (See: Rush)
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Fair enough, I thought the audio qualities on Youtube were directly related to the video qualities.
Oh, well on Youtube it is. It's pretty low though.
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If people can't hear the orchestra it's because they have piss poor hearing. It's loud and clear, especially the strings. It's hilarious when people say things like "I couldn't hear the bass" lol, that's because they don't know how to pick it out in the mix. People like that wouldn't hear it if it bit them in the ballsack.
Well, thanks. I suppose I have piss poor hearing then.
The fact is that it's way quieter than say the keyboards or the guitar. Bringing it up in the mix a bit would be much appreciated, just like the bass. In a band setting, the bass should be nearly as loud or as loud as the guitar. (See: Rush)
Agreed.
When I started the Strange Déjà-Vu video, at first I thought I could hear the orchestra well, but when I listened a bit better I heard that actually almost of it was Jordan's keyboard. That's why I referred to the 2:49 point; at that point there isn't a lot of keyboard, and I have to strain to hear the orchestra there.
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As I mentioned before, 2:46 - 2:48 the keyboards are tacit ("not playing anything" for non-music people) and the orchestra is playing something. Strain all you want, its just simply not in the mix for that portion - as in absent.
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If people can't hear the orchestra it's because they have piss poor hearing. It's loud and clear, especially the strings. It's hilarious when people say things like "I couldn't hear the bass" lol, that's because they don't know how to pick it out in the mix. People like that wouldn't hear it if it bit them in the ballsack.
The fact is that it's way quieter than say the keyboards or the guitar. Bringing it up in the mix a bit would be much appreciated, just like the bass. In a band setting, the bass should be nearly as loud or as loud as the guitar. (See: Rush)
It depends on what the bass does too though. If it's doing a groove or a countermelody like what Rush often does, then yea it should be close to guitar. If it's merely doubling the guitar, which is common for DT, then it should be a bit lower, to just add texture to the mix. Otherwise it could become abrasive.
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Yeah, I'm not sure Rush is the best example.
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I hear orchestra well from 2:00 to 2:40 and from 4:00 to the end. In other parts of the song guitar is too loud so I gues it's lost in mix due to it. But I believe it'll sound even better on DVD/Bluray.
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I hear orchestra well from 2:00 to 2:40 and from 4:00 to the end. In other parts of the song guitar is too loud so I gues it's lost in mix due to it. But I believe it'll sound even better on DVD/Bluray.
4:00 onwards is much better. 2:00-2:40 I'm not really convinced by, I can hear the strings a bit but not really anything beyond Jordan is doing with his keyboard patch anyway.
Still, I'm not judging the actual thing, and agree that it might be better on disc. Just a bit concerning that the orchestra [/i]might[/i] be so underused in the mix.
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I highly doubt it will be much different on disc, YouTube's compression is rarely so severe that it will affect the balance of instruments you're hearing. It might be slightly crisper and have higher fidelity but I'd wager the mix is pretty close to what you'll get on Blu Ray, unless this is another rough mix like that first TLG video (which I doubt).
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I highly doubt it will be much different on disc, YouTube's compression is rarely so severe that it will affect the balance of instruments you're hearing. It might be slightly crisper and have higher fidelity but I'd wager the mix is pretty close to what you'll get on Blu Ray, unless this is another rough mix like that first TLG video (which I doubt).
I think the biggest difference will be in the equipment, since a lot of people will be listening to the Youtube mix on computer speakers instead of whatever device they play their DVD/BR on. I use my computers for both with good headphones, so I don't expect the final mix to sound very different to what I'm hearing on Youtube.
This is probably the stereo mix too, so it will likely sound a bit different on the surround sound mix. But I really don't expect the stereo mix is going to sound noticeably different to the Youtube video.
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For Blu Ray's with lossless receivers it will be a huge difference. I've seen this director's work before and he hasn't disappointed me yet.
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Chycki did the sound. And I don't think that a lossless lineage will be much different from 192kbps AAC.
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For Blu Ray's with lossless receivers it will be a huge difference. I've seen this director's work before and he hasn't disappointed me yet.
The audio mix is Chycki; the director is not involved with that as far as I know. I'm sure the video will be great though. Even from these two videos, I'm enjoying the camera work a lot more than LALP, which disappointed me a bit in that regard.
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As mentioned before, there were likely issues with the isolated orchestra tracks, which may have suffered from the live guitar sound bleeding into their mics, so it may not be an issue of just adjusting the mix. Hypothetically speaking, if Rich raises the sound of the orchestra, he may upping the guitar bounce back as well.
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Curse the incompetent live sound engineers!
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I highly doubt it will be much different on disc, YouTube's compression is rarely so severe that it will affect the balance of instruments you're hearing. It might be slightly crisper and have higher fidelity but I'd wager the mix is pretty close to what you'll get on Blu Ray, unless this is another rough mix like that first TLG video (which I doubt).
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FWIW I do kind of like the live energy of the mix going on. The only thing I'm really not a fan of is JP's tone.
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Hey guys, new to the forums, but have been hanging around for a while :) When I get more time I'll post a bit about myself and my rankings etc.
I was wondering if anyone knew if there will be any bonus features on this release? It has been stated in press releases that there will be, but looking at the released back cover of the DVD, it doesn't state any whatsoever (which is strange as they're usually listed if there are any).
From the clips seen, the sound & performance of the concert looks supurb to me, but it'll be disappointing if there's no extra material, as I always really enjoyed the documentaries.
I was hoping for stuff like the intro video to be available in HD as well as maybe some behind the scenes stuff etc.
Anyone have any info on this.
Many thanks, and glad to be a part of this awesome forum :D
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Many thanks, and glad to be a part of this awesome forum :D
:welcome:
Don't forget to introduce yourself here. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=322.0)
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Hey guys, new to the forums, but have been hanging around for a while :) When I get more time I'll post a bit about myself and my rankings etc.
I was wondering if anyone knew if there will be any bonus features on this release? It has been stated in press releases that there will be, but looking at the released back cover of the DVD, it doesn't state any whatsoever (which is strange as they're usually listed if there are any).
From the clips seen, the sound & performance of the concert looks supurb to me, but it'll be disappointing if there's no extra material, as I always really enjoyed the documentaries.
I was hoping for stuff like the intro video to be available in HD as well as maybe some behind the scenes stuff etc.
Anyone have any info on this.
Many thanks, and glad to be a part of this awesome forum :D
Hopefully the intro video will be tacked on to the start of the show.....can't see why it shouldn't be. It's their music playing, so there shouldn't be any copyright issues...
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For Blu Ray's with lossless receivers it will be a huge difference. I've seen this director's work before and he hasn't disappointed me yet.
The audio mix is Chycki; the director is not involved with that as far as I know. I'm sure the video will be great though. Even from these two videos, I'm enjoying the camera work a lot more than LALP, which disappointed me a bit in that regard.
Yes but that's the same combo as the 2 Rush Blu Ray that I love so there. :lol
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OK, dumb question that I think has been covered, BUT...is the ONLY way to get the CD is to buy the BR from the Roadrunner site?? Is this right?
I seem to remember similar confusion when LALP came out, but they store near me did have a DVD/CD package.
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OK, dumb question that I think has been covered, BUT...is the ONLY way to get the CD is to buy the BR from the Roadrunner site?? Is this right?
I seem to remember similar confusion when LALP came out, but they store near me did have a DVD/CD package.
I'm pretty sure it is a RR exclusive. It doesn't say so on the site but when I completed my order of it it said "Roadrunner exclusive" so I'm guessing its a RR exclusive
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The Blu-Ray is $15 on Amazon and $25 on Roadrunner.
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The Blu-Ray is $15 on Amazon and $25 on Roadrunner.
I wish amazon had the BluRay+Audio version. :censored
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Strange question but...
Is there actually any bonus features for this? Looking at that back cover, theres no indication of any at all, and the running time on Amazon states 2 hrs 39 mins which sounds about right for the concert!
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Running times never include bonus features, only the main feature. So that has no bearing.
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I got a feeling we'll get commentary and I base that on absolutely nothing.
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That would be amazing.
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I'm gonna say no.
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I'm gonna say no.
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I got a feeling we'll get commentary and I base that on absolutely nothing.
By commentary, do you mean me talking really loudly next to your TV as you watch the BluRay? Then yes, perhaps.
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I got a feeling we'll get commentary and I base that on absolutely nothing.
That would be awesome and it have been awesome in earlier releases. But, based on huntch, I think that was MP's idea and he was the driver for those. He was the one explaining all the details and doing most of the talking.
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I am beginning to think that whatever bonus features that are on this release aren't very noteworthy or expansive, as we are 6 days from release with no information or marketing about them. If I remember correctly, they really touted Luna Park's documentary and Outcry multi-angle bonus features before release.
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Which a part of me feels like I was the only one let down by Luna Park's special features.
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Commentary would be cool, I'd also love to see a gear tour on stage, behind the scenes sort of thing... Each guy walks us through their gear/stage set up, etc.
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Which a part of me feels like I was the only one let down by Luna Park's special features.
Oh, I was significantly let down by the "documentary," among other features. However, I suppose it will be better than this possibly bare release. :(
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Commentary would be cool, I'd also love to see a gear tour on stage, behind the scenes sort of thing... Each guy walks us through their gear/stage set up, etc.
That's cool but in the end type that to youtube and it has been done a million times...
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Yeah, I definitely do NOT need another gear tour.
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I've seen tour documentaries and gear features. If there is no commentary, then I don't care about bonus features.
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Haha I hear you guys, maybe I'm just a gear nerd that enjoys listening to that kinda stuff! I figure each guy usual tweaks their setup a little from tour to tour, maybe adds a component, takes one out or whatever. Mostly JP and MM I guess. So old gear tours from previous tours wouldn't be the same since the gear would be different.
I certainly agree about the commentary though, that would be the ideal bonus footage.
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Commentary is absolutely awesome, but I love any kind of bonus features. As I posted before, it was written in the description on Roadrunner that there will be bonus features. So there will be something.
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Well, I'm assuming they will count the opening video as a bonus feature.
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I got an in-person gear tour. Does that count? :biggrin:
Again, I can confirm that there is no commentary this time around. But I can also confirm that the band are VERY aware of how much we like commentaries, and whether it ends up happening or not, there is at least interest in doing them in the future.
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I got an in-person gear tour. Does that count? :biggrin:
That drum set is awesome up close.
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It is. But interestingly, both the drum kit and Mr. Mangini are smaller in person than they otherwise appear. :lol
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It is. But interestingly, both the drum kit and Mr. Mangini are smaller in person than they otherwise appear. :lol
The first time we saw DT live with MM, we were shocked when he stepped out from the cockpit and was so diminutive.
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It is. But interestingly, both the drum kit and Mr. Mangini are smaller in person than they otherwise appear. :lol
The first time we saw DT live with MM, we were shocked when he stepped out from the cockpit and was so diminutive.
I always have a hard time telling when people are up onstage. I did not realize how small he is until I met him after the show.
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What are the heights of the guys anyway? Aren't they all (except MM) around 5'10?
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That is probably about right. I think JP is probably around 5'10", with the other guys being slightly shorter.
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That is probably about right. I think JP is probably around 5'10", with the other guys being slightly shorter.
That seems right to me. And MP was shorter than the other guys too. Is there just something that makes shorter guys better drummers or something? :P
As for special features, I think we'll maybe get a short bit of backstage documentary, and maybe some of the projection videos.
I don't think it's going to be like Luna Park with extra songs, or anything like the 360 feature. We got a DVD only last tour with that stuff, so I think they're focusing on just making this an excellent concert DVD with the orchestra and anniversary setlist. Aside from a commentary, what more would we really want?
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That is probably about right. I think JP is probably around 5'10", with the other guys being slightly shorter.
That seems right to me. And MP was shorter than the other guys too. Is there just something that makes shorter guys better drummers or something? :P
Now, THAT's why they didn't pick Minnemann!
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That is probably about right. I think JP is probably around 5'10", with the other guys being slightly shorter.
That seems right to me. And MP was shorter than the other guys too. Is there just something that makes shorter guys better drummers or something? :P
Now, THAT's why they didn't pick Minnemann!
So the drummer audition video was a scam! They just lined them up and picked the shortest.
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*JP right now*
"Shit, they finally caught on to how we picked Mangini..."
(https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater_CoveCityStudios-111.jpg)
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For the fellow Aussies out there, it looks like JB-Hifi has pushed back the release date to the 3rd of October (a week later than what the site originally said).
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I just noticed that my purchase confirmation includes Breaking The Fourth Wall Digital MP3 Album. Is this just going to be a slip inside the case, with a download code on it, or are they going to email us a link to download this concert, on release day?:
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For the fellow Aussies out there, it looks like JB-Hifi has pushed back the release date to the 3rd of October (a week later than what the site originally said).
Bugger!
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That is probably about right. I think JP is probably around 5'10", with the other guys being slightly shorter.
That seems right to me. And MP was shorter than the other guys too. Is there just something that makes shorter guys better drummers or something? :P
Probably. I mean if you got long limbs it takes longer to reach your desired drum.
Then again, Neal Smith with Alice Cooper was pretty badass and he was like 6'6"
When I posted my M&G picture on FB one of my friends commented "They all look mad that you are taller than them." I'm only 6'0" and I think James is 5'10-11" with the rest being shorter.
My friend and his brother did the M&G and they are both 6'4". He was wearing a college basketball shirt and Mangini even asked him what position he plays (even though he doesn't play sports). He also stepped on JLB's foot accidentally.
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I just noticed that my purchase confirmation includes Breaking The Fourth Wall Digital MP3 Album. Is this just going to be a slip inside the case, with a download code on it, or are they going to email us a link to download this concert, on release day?:
I think the latter.
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Well well, we lucky Finns get it tomorrow! Am I excited? Yes, yes I am! :tup ;)
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Just pre-ordered it from CDon.com.
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Well, I'm assuming they will count the opening video as a bonus feature.
I hope this isn't true. I want the FAS opening included in the main show! Also the credits should contain the Easter Egg!
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For Blu Ray's with lossless receivers it will be a huge difference. I've seen this director's work before and he hasn't disappointed me yet.
The audio mix is Chycki; the director is not involved with that as far as I know. I'm sure the video will be great though. Even from these two videos, I'm enjoying the camera work a lot more than LALP, which disappointed me a bit in that regard.
For camera work, I doubt they'll achieve what they did with Budokan. That looked so amazing.
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There must be at least some bonus features, because the DVD release includes two discs (unless the show is split over the two discs, which would suck). Maybe there's footage of rehearsals with the orchestra and/or some of the screen projections?
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Poetry readings from JM.
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Poetry readings from JM.
I could watch that all day long. :corn
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For Blu Ray's with lossless receivers it will be a huge difference. I've seen this director's work before and he hasn't disappointed me yet.
The audio mix is Chycki; the director is not involved with that as far as I know. I'm sure the video will be great though. Even from these two videos, I'm enjoying the camera work a lot more than LALP, which disappointed me a bit in that regard.
For camera work, I doubt they'll achieve what they did with Budokan. That looked so amazing.
Still the benchmark after a decade. :tup
But so far BTFW is looking to be an improvement over LALP. LALP didn't have a lot of wider shots that gave the whole stage, so it made it feel smaller. Budokan had a lot of great wide shots that gave it that huge cinematic feel.
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Poetry readings from JM.
So this is a video-only feature?
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That is probably about right. I think JP is probably around 5'10", with the other guys being slightly shorter.
I'm 5'10"
(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/MikeMangini.jpg)
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I got an in-person gear tour. Does that count? :biggrin:
I am super jealous of you right now... Haha
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So..this shit leaked already? :yarr
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Just picked up the BluRay from a local store that didn't care for the street date.
The packaging is really, really cheap. It's basically wrapped in a paper (like a CD "digipak"). First time I see this on a concert BluRay.
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Any bonus features?
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Me7 lets have a play by play of each song :tup
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My preorder status in DT EU store is - closed. All hope is lost.
In Finland atleast one record store is of course selling the bluray tomorrow... glad I preordered. Again. ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6v3KHA2Spw
Brazil really likes prog.
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I got a feeling we'll get commentary and I base that on absolutely nothing.
When you guys talk about commentary I just think of sports commentary... that'd be a great idea. Throughout the concert all you'd get is:
"It looks as if Mangini missed a snare hit there Dom."
"Agreed Howard, he appeared to be put off by the click track. I hope that doesn't affect his confidence as we approach the end of the first set."
"Oh, it appears as if La Brie has sung a swear word during The Test That Stumped Them All. That kind of behaviour has no place in modern rock concerts."
"I'm with you Howard, I just hope he hasn't ruined it for the rest of the band."
"So as Petrucci approaches his pedalboard he prepares himself for the big solo... MY WORD! HE'S DONE IT! DID YOU SEE THAT ALTERNATE PICKING LICK?!"
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I got a feeling we'll get commentary and I base that on absolutely nothing.
When you guys talk about commentary I just think of sports commentary... that'd be a great idea. Throughout the concert all you'd get is:
"It looks as if Mangini missed a snare hit there Dom."
"Agreed Howard, he appeared to be put off by the click track. I hope that doesn't affect his confidence as we approach the end of the first set."
"Oh, it appears as if La Brie has sung a swear word during The Test That Stumped Them All. That kind of behaviour has no place in modern rock concerts."
"I'm with you Howard, I just hope he hasn't ruined it for the rest of the band."
"So as Petrucci approaches his pedalboard he prepares himself for the big solo... MY WORD! HE'S DONE IT! DID YOU SEE THAT ALTERNATE PICKING LICK?!"
This made me think of this classic:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vHpeUO5mw
Picked up the blueray after work today, will look at it in a bit.
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Damn you guys and your lax stores
All we have here is big box so I gotta wait until Tuesday
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Any bonus features?
Only the animated videos from Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory in fullscreen and a photo gallery. No commentary.
Can't write more. Have to start watching....
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Alright, thanks!
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Any bonus features?
Only the animated videos from Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory in fullscreen and a photo gallery. No commentary.
Can't write more. Have to start watching....
2 videos and a photo gallery?! I am seriously disappointed. I'm glad I just got the cheap Bluray on Amazon this time.
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I don’t care about the extras but the inconvenience pisses me off. I want Blue Ray + 3 CD. which, of course, I can only get at RR for $50 + $8 shipping. Sorry DT, I love you but I'll get the Amazon BR for less than $20 and look for the audio elsewhere.
I probably would have paid the $50 to be done with it and support the band but at that price I'm not over paying for shipping too.
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Release date tomorrow and I haven't even gotten any shipping confirmation :-\
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Release date tomorrow and I haven't even gotten any shipping confirmation :-\
Release date is Tuesday 9/30 I think -- but yeah, these should be shipping now.
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Just finished watching it. First impression: :omg:
I'm still hyped by finally listening to it, but I'm certain that this will stand as their best live release since Score.
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Just finished watching it. First impression: :omg:
I'm still hyped by finally listening to it, but I'm certain that this will stand as their best live release since Score.
Give us more than that!!!
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Having watched a few songs from it, I'm inclined to agree. Apart from some annoying visual overlays on scarred it's really well shot and the camera work is really methodical.
This tour had the best setlist i have ever seen them perform and having it comittrd to disc is special.
Performances are great as it was when I saw them a few months back.
Live scenes will always be special to me as I was in the front row for that show but apart from that this is their best live effort imo.
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just got an email today advising that my bluray/cd was shipped.
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I don’t care about the extras but the inconvenience pisses me off. I want Blue Ray + 3 CD. which, of course, I can only get at RR for $50 + $8 shipping. Sorry DT, I love you but I'll get the Amazon BR for less than $20 and look for the audio elsewhere.
I probably would have paid the $50 to be done with it and support the band but at that price I'm not over paying for shipping too.
Yeah the shipping was a kick in the gut too. Just when I came to grips with the exorbitant price I realized there was no free shipping offer when you spend way too fucking much.
Now that we find out there are next to no bonus features, I can honestly say I'm pissed.
I'll refrain from being too negative because in the end I won't let this affect my support of the band but they better get their act together for the next DVD.
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I ordered from Best Buy on August 27th and now it has been shipped! :metal
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Just got an email from RR Records. The Blu Ray plus CD pack is on backorder.
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Just got an email from RR Records. The Blu Ray plus CD pack is on backorder.
Crap...that's the one I was going to order in a couple weeks.
-Marc.
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The email said that they should restock within a month. Not very promising. I sent a disappointed email to RR. I ordered the thing a month ago, and there's no place to get the CD's other than buying it with the Blu Ray. Also, I paid more for the Blu Ray than I would on Amazon just so I could get the CD's.
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The email said that they should restock within a month. Not very promising. I sent a disappointed email to RR. I ordered the thing a month ago, and there's no place to get the CD's other than buying it with the Blu Ray. Also, I paid more for the Blu Ray than I would on Amazon just so I could get the CD's.
A month? Wow. They'd better be taking cancellations that's brutal.
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I'd be pissee
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I ordered mine (bluray + cds) Sept 15th and it shipped. I can't believe they have it on backorder already. That is piss poor planning. Sorry to those that have to deal with their ineptitude. ::) :-\
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I ordered mine (bluray + cds) Sept 15th and it shipped. I can't believe they have it on backorder already. That is piss poor planning. Sorry to those that have to deal with their ineptitude. ::) :-\
I'm jealous! I ordered it back in August and I get nothing!
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Are any of you who got an early shipping located in Europe?
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:huh:
Are any of you who got an early shipping located in Europe?
I pre-ordered it on september 4th and i live in The Netherlanda. I didn't even get a shipping conformation ..
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The email said that they should restock within a month. Not very promising. I sent a disappointed email to RR. I ordered the thing a month ago, and there's no place to get the CD's other than buying it with the Blu Ray. Also, I paid more for the Blu Ray than I would on Amazon just so I could get the CD's.
Clearly selling better than they anticipated. On the positive side.
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very disappointed with the mix on strange... the orchestra definitely super super quiet... almost just the reverb at the point where the riff kicks in at 2.45. what a waste. It makes me think there was maybe a problem with the audio recording on the night... I don't see why they'd have JR so fucking loud, and the real strings so quiet. I think people who are like 'omgz only idiots can't hear the strings' are hearing JR's keyboard. The orchestra weren't perfect on Score but at least you could hear them eh!
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Whoa I just saw a youtube ad for this DVD!! ..The funny part- it came on before a 2014 fan video that I was watching from this tour :lol
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YouTube knows about our habits and calibrates the ads to fit our interests (which is not necessarily bad) . Otherwise, why would I get doctor who ads while watching football videos?
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Is it really true that False Awakening Suite isn't on the Bluray but only available as bonus material? That just sucks, i want to watch the whole concert from FAS up to Finally Free.
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Is it really true that False Awakening Suite isn't on the Bluray but only available as bonus material? That just sucks, i want to watch the whole concert from FAS up to Finally Free.
I don't have the DVD/BR, but I was told the concert does start off with FAS.
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I want to watch the whole new bluray right freaking now!!!!!
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To those fortunate ones who have watched the bluray...what about Labrie's performance? Thank you!
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I just realized there's a digital album bundle. I'm just going to get that and get the BR separately. Is the digital album a new development?
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I pre-ordered on the first day, and have now received my shipping information. Oh, and for those who were asking, they didn't charge my card until just now.
:metal
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So I asked the support and they told me it was shipped yesterday. Why they couldn't just send a shipping confirmation mail is beyond me.
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Is it really true that False Awakening Suite isn't on the Bluray but only available as bonus material? That just sucks, i want to watch the whole concert from FAS up to Finally Free.
Wrong. The show starts with the FAS video in fullscreen. It isn't even available as a standalone bonus feature.
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I pre-ordered on the first day, and have now received my shipping information. Oh, and for those who were asking, they didn't charge my card until just now.
:metal
What is your order status? I preordered 21.8. and it says closed. Haven't got any shipping information.
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Is it really true that False Awakening Suite isn't on the Bluray but only available as bonus material? That just sucks, i want to watch the whole concert from FAS up to Finally Free.
Wrong. The show starts with the FAS video in fullscreen. It isn't even available as a standalone bonus feature.
Excellent!!
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Whoohoo! I just received it in the mail. Including the 3CD's.
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I pre-ordered on the first day, and have now received my shipping information. Oh, and for those who were asking, they didn't charge my card until just now.
:metal
What is your order status? I preordered 21.8. and it says closed. Haven't got any shipping information.
Uuuu, shipped.
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I pre-ordered on the first day, and have now received my shipping information. Oh, and for those who were asking, they didn't charge my card until just now.
:metal
What is your order status? I preordered 21.8. and it says closed. Haven't got any shipping information.
Uuuu, shipped.
check your inbox brother
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Prerdered from Amazon.I'll get it on the 30th! :metal
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For the guys that already have it...reviews, please!
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For the guys that already have it...reviews, please!
The best they have ever done!
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Really? Better than Budokan visually and sonically? I'm pumped right now!
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Can someone play the DVD on their computer and post a few screenshots?
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Really? Better than Budokan visually and sonically? I'm pumped right now!
In my opinion? Yeah absolutely.
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Really? Better than Budokan visually and sonically? I'm pumped right now!
In my opinion? Yeah absolutely.
How's the CD+BD package? Snap a few pics and post them! :D
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Man I seriously hope so...
We def need something that looks and sounds amazing after the last few releases that was lacking.
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To anyone with the CDs... Is FAS open up the audio as well? Or is it just on the video portion?
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To anyone with the CDs... Is FAS open up the audio as well? Or is it just on the video portion?
FAS is missing on the CD's.
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For anyone interested, i posted a little unboxing video on YouTube.
Sorry about the fact that the sound is missing, my iphone microphone broke..
Here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCcTd5KxChE
The video is still rendering so that's why the quality is shit.
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John Myung : Bass and TAURUS PEDALS :lol
Awesome pictures though!
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Bought it today at my local store. Gonna watch it tonight.
B.Lee
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Wait a second, this is out? :omg: I hope I'll get it soon then. :metal
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I have only listened to some of the audio so far, but I love the mix, and the orchestra and crowd are extremely audible on Illumination Theory (haven't listened to the encore yet, apart from the SDV youtube video) especially. Also really digging the prominence of the keys. One complaint though: JP's tone. It works most of the time, although it is far from great, but it's way too muddy for the riffs in TEI and TSF.
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Finally Free. Wow. I'm speechless. What a wonderful performance.
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Dat Illumination Theory
Dat Mangini Drumming
This is seriously great. What a step up from Luna Park.
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Great to hear the positive feedback from you guys :tup
I remember noticing JPs tone being really muddy especially during the songs with the lower tunings. I feel like on DT12 and on this tour, his tone has a more "metallic" sound to it that's just IN YOUR FACE.
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So psyched to get this.
Does the Blu-ray come with that awesome booklet? I sure hope so!
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So psyched to get this.
Does the Blu-ray come with that awesome booklet? I sure hope so!
Yes it does!
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How much is the regular DVD cost in outlets like Amazon or Best Buy in the states? You guys may have convinced me to pre-order it.
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Finally Free. Wow. I'm speechless. What a wonderful performance.
Can't wait to see and/or hear FF. It was easily the most awesome song when I saw them in Stockholm in February. Judging by how Strange Deja Vu sounded in the YT-video, I imagine it is absolutely fantastic on this DVD.
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I can't wait to get these and spend the whole video looking for myself?
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All right, I pre-ordered the regular DVD. Is this the right link?
https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Fourth-Boston-Opera-House/dp/B00MUDYJ4I/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
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The mix is very compressed but unlike Luna Park, that had overbearing guitar from start to finish, the volume of the instruments varies over time. During regular riffs, the guitar often crushes the keyboard. But when Jordan plays a lead, he gets more audible. During my first listen of the stereo mix, I didn't notice any important keyboard parts that were inaudible (as I did on Luna Park).
As far as the orchestra is concerned, Strage Deja Vu is their low point in the mix. They sound a lot better on Illumination Theory and Overture 1928.
It was a deliberate mixing decision to make them inaudible during a large part of Strange Deja Vu (I don't condone it, just want to inform you). It's not representative for the whole concert.
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I can't wait to get these and spend the whole video looking for myself?
Yeah, that's basically what I did with the YouTube videos for Strange Deja Vu and Looking Glass. I just hope they don't have footage of me balling my eyes out during Space Dye Ves, like that girl at Luna Park.
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FYI, the BR/CD package is NOT on backorder. Mine was shipped today, only ordered last night, and they stated to me via email : "It is NOT on backorder."
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Received confirmation email today from RoadRunner store.
Projected Delivery Date: Monday Sept 29.
It appears that the poster is shipped separately from the BluRay/CD package. I have two tracking codes.
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I can't wait to see Trial of Tears, Lifting Shadows and Scarred....those were the highlights of the show for me.
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Guys, I need the confirmation. I never ordered from Amazon before. Did I order from the right link? I know this is a noobish question, but I am a noob in online ordering.
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Amazon hasn't shipped them yet (I preordered over a week ago). We are getting it a lot cheaper, though...
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Ehhh, I've spent $21 on it. For a near three hour show, that's looks to be good enough value for me. Hopefully, it fulfills that.
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I preordered from amazon in the US and I dont expect an email confirmation until Monday the earliest, but likely not until Tuesday. I used the free shipping, maybe if ordered with one of the better shipping services itll be earlier.
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I can't wait to get these and spend the whole video looking for myself?
Yeah, that's basically what I did with the YouTube videos for Strange Deja Vu and Looking Glass. I just hope they don't have footage of me balling my eyes out during Space Dye Ves, like that girl at Luna Park.
With a melon-baller? Sounds very grotesque... unless you meant bawling. :lol :tup
-Marc.
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I hope they don't catch me singing the wrong lyrics at the end of Trial of Tears :lol. Or me with my phone out during Illumination Theory or the other thirty seconds in which I tried to take a picture
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I wish there were a high quality digital download option. :-\
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Yeah, same here. Optical drives are kinda a dying thing in my household.
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I preordered from amazon in the US and I dont expect an email confirmation until Monday the earliest, but likely not until Tuesday. I used the free shipping, maybe if ordered with one of the better shipping services itll be earlier.
Same here.
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Yeah, same here. Optical drives are kinda a dying thing in my household.
I don't want a mac without a disc drive since I still like getting DVDs and CDs.
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Official photos from the Fourth Wall:
https://www.dreamtheater.net/photo/category/Official-Photos
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I ordered the bluray/cd from the Dream Theater store and it arrived this morning.
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RR customer service blows. They have not responded to any of the emails I have sent in the past few days.
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So, i've seen them yesterday. Absolutly beautiful. Best sounding DT concert i've been. Now I need this asap.
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Is the digital album edition a download and is it available now if I purchase it thru the RR site?
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omg JP's beard
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omg JP's beard
CAME HERE TO POST THIS :neverusethis:
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Is the digital album edition a download and is it available now if I purchase it thru the RR site?
It's available the day it is released.
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Nevermind this.
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Has this leaked anywhere? I'd love to hear it a few days early
We don't talk about leaks here. Just a heads up. :lol
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Has this leaked anywhere? I'd love to hear it a few days early
Read the rules please.
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No. The leaking was on Beneath The Surface. Did they play the sample on Luna Park? I don't remember.
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They did play the sample!
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I read from a review on Amazon that the sets/encore are actually separated on this one.....this true? If so, I'm for it, makes it feel more like the actual show.
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I read from a review on Amazon that the sets/encore are actually separated on this one.....this true? If so, I'm for it, makes it feel more like the actual show.
The main menu has a "play full concert" button that plays the show from start to finish but the "select specific track" menu is split across three submenues, one for each set.
It's a bit weird to consider the SFAM tracks as encore since JLB actually announces them early in the show.
That said, JLB talk sections are a lot better than on Luna Park. He talks less and when he does, he doesn't go on for too long.
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That's interesting. And thanks!
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What about the prerecorded vocals on One last times chorus...Does Labrie sing them at this particular show? On the other hand, I don't understand why he refuses to sing them. They are not so high-pitched. Thank you so much for the info. Next week I'll purchase it here in Spainand post my point of view:)
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What about the prerecorded vocals on One last times chorus...Does Labrie sing them at this particular show?
I guess you mean Finally free. He doesn't sing the "One last Time" lines.
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Thank you so much:) I find it kind of weird. He sings more complicated notes all nights. I love Labrie's performance nowadays:)
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It's because he's telling the crowd to sing.
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I don't know...using the same line each and every night to interact with the audience...Maybe. Perhaps they have everything more structured than it seems. I have never watched him singing this line this tour. Not even starting the line and letting people go on...
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I was just thinking how much I'd love an isolated orchestra track but nobody who has it is talking about on so I guess it ain't there.
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Official photos from the Fourth Wall:
https://www.dreamtheater.net/photo/category/Official-Photos
Awesome!!
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I don't know...using the same line each and every night to interact with the audience...Maybe. Perhaps they have everything more structured than it seems. I have never watched him singing this line this tour. Not even starting the line and letting people go on...
Its just a good place for audience participation. Everyone knows the words and the audience loves doing the last 'One Last Ti-i-i-ime'. He also gets them to do the choir part at the beginning of On The Backs Of Angels.
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Or like the third chorus in Lie. It works even better when they aren't stuck to a click and can stop playing to let the audience sing without the instruments.
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As a truly lover of James' voice, I would like to know how his beautiful and strong vibrato has been captured in this live recording. I miss it on the studio versions. I'll watch the concert myself on wednesday but I'd love to read your opinion on this. Thanks !
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Just got my copy in the mail. Only a few songs in, but IMO this is the best drum sound from Mangini yet.
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My thoughts :
minor negative : JP's rhythm tone is somewaht muddy (as has already been pointed out)
the orchestra somewhat lost in the mix on Strange Déjà-vu
JLB sounding a little flat at times
MAJOR positive : all the effing rest, guys! What a treat! And that second DVD : everything I could ask for! Top of the games, guys! And JLB sounds really great if not for the minor negative!
Highlights : SDV, IT and the orchestra, Lifting Shadows...well, mostly everything in fact! Call me a fanboy!!! :metal :metal :metal
B.Lee
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I was so frustrated because the release date in Finland was in Friday but when I went to the record shop they told that the importer has done something wrong and it's still not here. So I will get it somewhere in next week hopefully.
I don't want to scroll every page so can somebody of you guys say are there any bonus features?
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There's a photo gallery and you get the isolated background animations for Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory
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Highlights : SDV, IT and the orchestra,
Orchestra? Good to hear considering some people have been more critical of that aspect.
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Alright, I just got checked this out!
My first impression:
The Good:
Mangini sounds amazing. Rudess sounds amazing. The orchestra is amazing. Definitely, a big step up from Luna Park.
The Bad:
As someone already mentioned, LaBrie falls *really* flat in places and it annoyed me greatly. I felt his performance was better in Luna Park, so this was somewhat of a downer in that department. Also, although I really dig the mix, JP's tone does feel muddy and lacking lots of clarity. Also, there are some of those annoying *p*, *t* and *s* mic sounds from LaBrie that were present in Luna Park. Is it excessive compression? Is it LaBrie's mic? I don't know, but it's quite annoying.
The bad is easier to point out, because I think it's super clear by now that the band was super tight and that there are a bunch of wonderful things in this DVD. Sadly, I wanted this to be better than Score, but LaBrie's performance felt flat to some extent and it doesn't have that "OMG EVERYTHING'S PERFECT" quality Score had.
Either way, much much better than Luna Park in lots of departments. Definitely a nice addition to every DT fan's collection :)
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Alright, I just got checked this out!
My first impression:
The Good:
Mangini sounds amazing. Rudess sounds amazing. The orchestra is amazing. Definitely, a big step up from Luna Park.
The Bad:
As someone already mentioned, LaBrie falls *really* flat in places and it annoyed me greatly. I felt his performance was better in Luna Park, so this was somewhat of a downer in that department. Also, although I really dig the mix, JP's tone does feel muddy and lacking lots of clarity. Also, there are some of those annoying *p*, *t* and *s* mic sounds from LaBrie that were present in Luna Park. Is it excessive compression? Is it LaBrie's mic? I don't know, but it's quite annoying.
The bad is easier to point out, because I think it's super clear by now that the band was super tight and that there are a bunch of wonderful things in this DVD. Sadly, I wanted this to be better than Score, but LaBrie's performance felt flat to some extent and it doesn't have that "OMG EVERYTHING'S PERFECT" quality Score had.
Either way, much much better than Luna Park in lots of departments. Definitely a nice addition to every DT fan's collection :)
What spots did he fall flat?
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On the top of my head... I remember a couple of places in The Shattered Fortress, Trial of Tears, The Mirror... and probably Lifting Shadows.
Illumination Theory was effin' amazing, tho. The best moment in the DVD by far. A great performance by everyone (James included).
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It's a quite demanding setlist for a vocalist and takes 3 hours. However I prefer James' vocals nowadays over his past performances.
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I love James' performance on Score but the vocals sound too clean and perfect. This overproduced thing annoys me a little bit.
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On the top of my head... I remember a couple of places in The Shattered Fortress, Trial of Tears, The Mirror... and probably Lifting Shadows.
Illumination Theory was effin' amazing, tho. The best moment in the DVD by far. A great performance by everyone (James included).
Interesting. Sounds like it wasn't fixed up much in the studio if at all. It's a quite demanding setlist for a vocalist and takes 3 hours. However I prefer James' vocals nowadays over his past performances.
I agree completely. He might not be able to hit the highest of the high notes but he is far more consistent and can still hit the higher of the high notes.
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On the top of my head... I remember a couple of places in The Shattered Fortress, Trial of Tears, The Mirror... and probably Lifting Shadows.
That's a shame, those are the ones we all hope he would nail. But that's only because they're such tricky and demanding vocally.
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There were some fixes, definitely. And yeah, those are extremely tough songs to sing live and it should be known that JLB did a good job in most of the songs. I don't wanna come across in the wrong way, but it's just that my hopes were extremely high for this DVD and they didn't quite hit the mark.
But, as I said to you guys earlier, I enjoyed the hell out of it. :tup
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Really, I believe James's performance was hampered in a minor way by the placement of the gig in the tour schedule. It was barely the second show after a month long absence from the stage, he was still getting back in the groove. Which is why he sounded much better on the next few shows than he did in Boston.
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Really, I believe James's performance was hampered in a minor way by the placement of the gig in the tour schedule. It was barely the second show after a month long absence from the stage, he was still getting back in the groove. Which is why he sounded much better on the next few shows than he did in Boston.
Definitely, I couldn't agree more. JLB always gets better as the tour goes on.
It's really nice to have a recording of that really high note in Illumination Theory live, tho; as he stopped doing that after the Boston show. :tup
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This is killing me! I want to hear it soooo much now! :)
I really hope Lifting Shadows came out good. Somehow it was never a favorite for me but at the concert I was in tears, mindblown! Remember James hitting the notes perfectly and after watching Youtube videos it seems he performed this song exceptionally well during the tour!
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it really looks and sounds great. james labrie with a good performance.
i like that mangini plays many drumfills that differ from the studio versions and i agree that petruccis sound during the verses is a bit muddy but during the solos it sounds nice to me.
the bass is too quiet in my opinion
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i like that mangini plays many drumfills that differ from the studio versions
Is that the case also in the DT12 songs? Based on my appreciation in the bootlegs, MM pretty much played the drum parts similarly, and the difference really is that the cymbals are really audible live, unlike the poor mix in the studio version.
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Anyone complain about the excessive pitch correction yet? Sounds like they cranked it up to 100 and left the room. Some notes were even shifted in the wrong direction. At least Score sounded like someone listened to the final product before they shipped it.
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Anyone complain about the excessive pitch correction yet? Sounds like they cranked it up to 100 and left the room. Some notes were even shifted in the wrong direction. At least Score sounded like someone listened to the final product before they shipped it.
Yeah, Trial of Tears and The Mirror come to mind.
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It's been a while posting something but i have to say something..... reading this thread the couple of last days.
I've been to four shows this tour, Begium, Amsterdam, Dusseldorf ( with aftershow thanks to my bro Stephen Art) and the Gelsenkirchen show on the second leg of the European tour.
Just watched the dvd and i was floored from beginning to the end.....
This is a true gem in DT history if you ask me.....and yes i love Budokan and Score, but hey..this is a new chapter....and still i'm reading complains about this release....was MP right with Never Enough ?........I do think so...( and no i'm not a MP lover (anymore) but reading what you guys are posting, i can't believe it.
Complains about no docu on this one.....what do you want to see more that they didn't show us on previous releases? Taking a shit?
"James sounds flat on song this and that and at that time" and JP sounds bla bla bla.....you guys are over-analizing every fart that DT makes.....be thankfull they released this beast!
It's fine to have an own opinion and it's fine to discuss what you don't like or what you like about a release but for most posts i'm reading is complains about one thing or the other......
And no my post is not against all you guys complainig, but show the band some more love , feel blessed that they give you the oppurtunity to buy this release....support them.....
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Everything is constructive criticism, m8.
Also, please, don't use that "everything is never enough" card. It's silly. I spent 70+ dollars with this package, (being the 40+ dollars the RR package cost plus the international shipping), so you could affirm I am supporting the band. :D I am thankful, very. Every time DT is on the verge of releasing a new DVD I get all excited and pumped like a little boy; and this time was no exception. It's just that one of the cool things about this place is that you can actually discuss things in a civilized manner and find people that will ultimately agree (or disagree) with you.
I'm glad you find it to be perfect. Really, good for you. I don't find it perfect and I just pointed out the reasons why, but either way I enjoyed the hell out of this DVD (and will continue to do so).
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OK, here's a maybe weird question: How much are they showing the audience?
I'm not really watching DT live DVDs these days, but if there's a good chance I might actually be in it (since I was on the balcony's front row), I might buy it.
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Also, please, don't use that "everything is never enough" card. It's silly.
What's silly about the never enough card? I always found it to be pretty accurate to how things play out most of the time (not necessarily around here, but certainly sometimes). :lol
I suppose it's similar to the as i am card or the build me up break me down card as the artists have clearly written to us multiple times about these issues, but that won't stop us because we're in too deep. :P
It's normally all fun and games around here and there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, in fact it can be healthy, of course all valid criticism is still an opinion generated from your own perspective. I agree with the nature of the rest of your post, I just wonder why you think think the never enough card is "silly"? :)
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Anyone complain about the excessive pitch correction yet? Sounds like they cranked it up to 100 and left the room. Some notes were even shifted in the wrong direction. At least Score sounded like someone listened to the final product before they shipped it.
What is an excessive pitch correction? Maybe JLB really sang sharp on some notes and they did not corect it?
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The problem with "Never Enough" is, it was written by a guy who also posted pictures by his mansion with an enormous pool. It slightly undermined the whole thing.
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Anyone complain about the excessive pitch correction yet? Sounds like they cranked it up to 100 and left the room. Some notes were even shifted in the wrong direction. At least Score sounded like someone listened to the final product before they shipped it.
What is an excessive pitch correction? Maybe JLB really sang sharp on some notes and they did not corect it?
Well people complained that The Looking Glass and Strange Dejavu were saturated in pitch correction. Honestly, I don't agree because my perspective is that the pitch correction was really subtle and well done, never-the-less I guess people are wondering if the other songs are similar to the ones released on youtube prior to the DVD release. I'm guessing the answer is yes, they're similar. But no, it's not saturated anymore than say ADTOE or DT12 (which considering they're studio releases, probably have more saturation <not the word I'd normally use> than these live releases anyway). But I'm prepared to retract any incorrect assumptions once I've seen it personally.
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Nevertheless
Wondering
sorry.
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Ah... Thank you. :lol
But yeah, does the status of his personal life equate or take away from the appreciation/expectation scenario that exists for the fans of the music? You could argue MP got to that position thanks to the fans, but I still don't think that means MP (or any of the musicians) owe the fans anything specifically or personally because they already give back with their music. - Which sometimes generates negative reactions and lack of appreciation, can easily be associated with ungratefulness and begrudging resentment or spite based on an impersonal interaction that doesn't meet the fans expectations. Pretty silly isn't it?
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Anyone complain about the excessive pitch correction yet? Sounds like they cranked it up to 100 and left the room. Some notes were even shifted in the wrong direction. At least Score sounded like someone listened to the final product before they shipped it.
What is an excessive pitch correction? Maybe JLB really sang sharp on some notes and they did not corect it?
Well people complained that The Looking Glass and Strange Dejavu were saturated in pitch correction. Honestly, I don't agree because my perspective is that the pitch correction was really subtle and well done, never-the-less I guess people are wondering if the other songs are similar to the ones released on youtube prior to the DVD release. I'm guessing the answer is yes, they're similar. But no, it's not saturated anymore than say ADTOE or DT12 (which considering they're studio releases, probably have more saturation <not the word I'd normally use> than these live releases anyway). But I'm prepared to retract any incorrect assumptions once I've seen it personally.
I was actually wondering what marlencrabapple meant when he said that some notes were shifted in the wrong direction.
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It's been a while posting something but i have to say something..... reading this thread the couple of last days.
I've been to four shows this tour, Begium, Amsterdam, Dusseldorf ( with aftershow thanks to my bro Stephen Art) and the Gelsenkirchen show on the second leg of the European tour.
Just watched the dvd and i was floored from beginning to the end.....
This is a true gem in DT history if you ask me.....and yes i love Budokan and Score, but hey..this is a new chapter....and still i'm reading complains about this release....was MP right with Never Enough ?........I do think so...( and no i'm not a MP lover (anymore) but reading what you guys are posting, i can't believe it.
Complains about no docu on this one.....what do you want to see more that they didn't show us on previous releases? Taking a shit?
"James sounds flat on song this and that and at that time" and JP sounds bla bla bla.....you guys are over-analizing every fart that DT makes.....be thankfull they released this beast!
It's fine to have an own opinion and it's fine to discuss what you don't like or what you like about a release but for most posts i'm reading is complains about one thing or the other......
And no my post is not against all you guys complainig, but show the band some more love , feel blessed that they give you the oppurtunity to buy this release....support them.....
Dang dude. Show the band some more love? I guess my 1000 or whatever isn't enough love? 94% of them (approximately) are praising the band. More love? How many more thousands of dollars should I spend on the band? It's NEVER ENOUGH!!!
But seriously, if you think we shouldn't over analyze then this probably isn't the place for you. When we were talking about James singing flat, we were discussing it as a minor disappointment in an otherwise overly positive discussion. When I was complaining about there not being a documentary, then yes, I will admit, I was hoping that they showed James taking a shit. If you claim you weren't then you are lying to yourself and baby Jesus. I would have settled for something more that showed more of them from the tour or backstage or a commentary. Afterall, I did spend 60-70 bucks on the freakin' bluray/CD combo.
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The consumer thinks they have all the power because they wield the money that keeps the band in business. And in theory, this might be true because if we all stopped supporting the band then it might demonstrate the importance we have in DTs stability. But in reality, each individual doesn't automatically get the right to dictate what they expect and don't expect from the band just because they support them, I mean DTs already given you something that; for better or worse, is what it will be and so it's still a choice if the consumer continues to resonate with, and/or wants to continue supporting the band. So it's the collective fanbase that ultimately determines what DT is about though a feeback loop, which functions as a symbiotic relationship between artist and consumer. To further express what I mean here, it's a bit like voting; considering one vote is generally meaningless in the grand scheme, but the collective of individuals with their 1 vote, starts to reflect the collective consensus. What I'm getting at, is that I think Daykrush makes some fair points, even if it comes across as dismissal, and I thought the documentary comment was hilarious. :lol
That being said, overanalysing and constructive criticism can easily be confused or misinterpreted as the same thing, and this is a place of discussion after all. Also, as Shepherd said; most of us are normally talking about minor details while generally appreciating the overall product.
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Just for the record, this performance of Illumination Theory is Score-Octavarium-esque. It's perfect. This is worth the price of the Blu-Ray alone.
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Just for the record, this performance of Illumination Theory is Score-Octavarium-esque. It's perfect. This is worth the price of the Blu-Ray alone.
:metal
Well that's great to know :tup
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Also, we finally get a live performance of Breaking all Illusion that is worthy of the song (after the disappointing LaLP). Another track that by itself is worth the price.
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Well, I was the one who pointed out JLB's flatness at times (let's be honest, he's sometimes on the verge of being out of tune) BUT did it impair my experience? Not in the least! They could have corrected this and they didn't. For me, it adds to the live experience. And TBH, the rest is so awesome that this slight negative is drowned.
So, I will say it again, THANK YOU DT, it was one hell of a ride!
B.Lee
PS : on a side note, am I the one hearing something wrong with the ToT solo? I cannot exactly put my finger on it but still...
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Got this yesterday morning, slid into DVD player.
It’s an odd feeling, knowing what to expect from a DT live DVD. I’ve seen this show 3 times, so I know there’s going to be no setlist changes, no new arrangements, no extended improve jams. DT have become predictable and – dare I say it – boring.
What we do get is DT at the top of their game, playing with the clinical precision that only they can. While I do enjoy this side of DT, I hope they loosen up again for the next tour. So there’s no real surprises in the show, what about the disc?
Well, the picture is clear and sharp, with none of the lens flare and colour bleeding that affected Luna Park. I do wish they’d shoot these things on film instead of video though. Oh wait, showing my age there, it’s all shot on digital these days, isn’t it? Well, I wish they’d digitally grade these things to look like film rather than video. There’s a lack of “wide shots” of the stage/screen/lights, with the emphasis on shots of the band. Kind of odd, as the band are playing with one of the best stage productions they’ve taken on the road, you’d think they’d want to show it off more.
The audio is superb – a damn near perfect sound mix. It has that big, echo-y live sound the band have been going for on recent releases, the drums sound huge and booming, everything is clear in the mix, with lots of spaces in between. Lovely.
The orchestra and choir on Illumination Theory is just… well, words fail me. You have to hear this for yourself. The orchestra is tuned down a little for the encores, it’s still there but it doesn’t distract. It’s a nice touch, and used so much better than on Score.
And I’ve never really appreciated before just what a powerhouse vocalist JLB is.
So what we have here is the best DT live release since Budokan. Yes, the extras are a little light (I’d have liked to have seen the Enemy Inside video), but when the main course is this good, who really cares?
Only other quibble – no stand-alone CD!
10 out of 10.
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The consumer thinks they have all the power because they wield the money that keeps the band in business. And in theory, this might be true because if we all stopped supporting the band then it might demonstrate the importance we have in DTs stability. But in reality, each individual doesn't automatically get the right to dictate what they expect and don't expect from the band just because they support them
Nobody is dictating anything. Some people have just expressed some disappointment over certain aspects, like the lack of a documentary.
Chill out.
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So, how flat is JLB? Is he completely out of tune very often or just barely hitting the note every now and then? (as bad as Budokan or more like Luna park?). And are those compression-breathing sounds to a similar extent as LALP? Are the two vids released representative? Because those look and sound awesome to me.
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So, how flat is JLB? Is he completely out of tune very often or just barely hitting the note every now and then? (as bad as Budokan or more like Luna park?). And are those compression-breathing sounds to a similar extent as LALP? Are the two vids released representative? Because those look and sound awesome to me.
This.
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My bigger problem isn't with JLB not hitting the note (in all fairness he's better here than he has been in ages) but with his diction - he reduces all the lyrics to "Blah blah blah whoa aaargh blah whoa blah who-o-o-o-oah!"
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I got the Blu-ray on Saturday and I'm loving it.
(https://www11.pic-upload.de/29.09.14/kjo5vnz1hc98.jpg) (https://www.pic-upload.de/view-24767839/dream-theater-dvd.jpg.html)
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Nice setup! :corn
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Nice setup! :corn
Thank you :)
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Got my copy today, preordered on the first day. Absolutely love it! :metal Up there with Score and Budokan.
+ Great sound (TrueHD), picture and general look
+ Choir and the orchestra
+ Setlist was great mix of old and new
+ Space-dye vest <3
+ Solid performance, almost made me wish a mistake for us mortals
Best of all, feels like I was brought back to the gig in Helsinki earlier this year. Great memories.
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Thinking of canceling my amazon order and going to best buy tomorrow to get this. Historically they have had DT DVD/Blurays the day of release. Amazon is still saying estimated delivery is not until next week the earliest and I dont want to wait.
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Amazon's estimated delivery says it's the 20th of October for me, haha.
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My Amazon order says guaranteed by Sept 30th, but it hasn't even entered the shipping process. Same for Enchant's new disc.
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My Amazon order says guaranteed by Sept 30th, but it hasn't even entered the shipping process. Same for Enchant's new disc.
Don't be surprised if it suddenly shows up. When I ordered some stuff (LALP may have been one) it was guaranteed for the release day and wasn't even showing as shipped. But it showed up on the guaranteed day. From my limited experience the guaranteed arrival days seems to make it somehow.
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My only complaint would be that this poster's frickin' tiny for the money I spent. :P
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I should have it by the end of the week.
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I ordered mine on august and it was shipped today, to be delivered tomorrow ;D
BTW HDtracks will be releasing the album too :metal
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My copy arrived today as promised! I'm pretty sure I know what I'll be doing tonight. The only question is, headphones or surround sound system? :)
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BTW HDtracks will be releasing the album too :metal
Just saw this too. Really wish I knew about this before pre-ordering, would have much preferred this to mp3.
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My copy arrived today as promised! I'm pretty sure I know what I'll be doing tonight. The only question is, headphones or surround sound system? :)
I think you've gotta go surround sound, my friend :metal
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My copy arrived today as promised! I'm pretty sure I know what I'll be doing tonight. The only question is, headphones or surround sound system? :)
Then there's no question, is there? ;)
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How is it that you guys are getting this Bluray before it's released.
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It's already released in parts of the world.
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I've just realised that the back vertical line of the cube on the front cover is in front of the front-top-horizontal line (if that makes sense), and it's really messing my head up. :dangerwillrobinson:
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Did Hugh Syme do the artwork?
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Did Hugh Syme do the artwork?
Yeah, he did.
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I've just realised that the back vertical line of the cube on the front cover is in front of the front-top-horizontal line (if that makes sense), and it's really messing my head up. :dangerwillrobinson:
It's kind of an Escher thing, an impossible figure. See Waterfall below for an example of Escher's work.
https://splashurl.com/l4mjbwd (https://splashurl.com/l4mjbwd)
I like the kind of work Syme did on the Fourth Wall cover.
B.Lee
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Just been watching snippets of this. Watched TEI and Enigma Machine. To be fair I watched it fairly quiet but it sounded awesome! I just wish they had put that initial curtain drop in after FAS but at least we got the full video :metal :hat
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I ordered mine on august and it was shipped today, to be delivered tomorrow ;D
BTW HDtracks will be releasing the album too :metal
Has this been confirmed? I am looking for an official announcement.
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I ordered mine on august and it was shipped today, to be delivered tomorrow ;D
BTW HDtracks will be releasing the album too :metal
Has this been confirmed? I am looking for an official announcement.
They posted it on their facebook page (hdtracks)
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Just got paid £565 from work so buying this today and the new What's the story Morning Glory :)
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Just got paid £565 from work so buying this today and the new What's the story Morning Glory :)
Wow...I didn't know What's the Story Morning Glory and Breaking the Fourth Wall were so expensive in the UK! :eek
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Got my copy today!
Everything that I think(the good and the bad) has pretty much already been said in the past 2 pages. There aren't really surprises here... It's the band on top of their game! :metal
This is a killer show and the fans will really like it! I'm mainly happy to finally see a release where Mangini sounds great. A HUGE step up from Luna Park and the DT12 songs sound a lot better here than the album.
Highlights: The DT12 songs, The Shattered Fortress, Space Dye Vest
My biggest concern is that the orchestra is very quiet. The only time you can really hear them is during Illumination Theory when the band isn't playing. The choir sounds awesome.
This is a great release. It's in the top 3 DT live releases IMO. It's not as epic as SCORE and it doesn't have the cinematic feel that Budokan has but it's a great addition to the catalog and I know I'll be watching it a lot. :corn
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is the digital album bundle a download or something shipped?
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is the digital album bundle a download or something shipped?
It's a download.
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Ugh, I don't really want to order the whole CD/Blu-Ray set from RR, hopefully Best Buy has it in stock tomorrow, they did with LALP and I was able to pick up the whole set.
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Went to rr store..it should be available now..right..ordered digital dl..all I get is the looking glass...didn't even look like it charged my card once it processed but it did..i checked my account..went to rr store..created profile to match my info when I ordered..i go to my downloadable products ..nothing...PISSED
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Just got paid £565 from work so buying this today and the new What's the story Morning Glory :)
Cool to read about the exact financial situation of others on DTF. :coolio
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Went to rr store..it should be available now..right..ordered digital dl..all I get is the looking glass...didn't even look like it charged my card once it processed but it did..i checked my account..went to rr store..created profile to match my info when I ordered..i go to my downloadable products ..nothing...PISSED
Checked your email?
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Can I just say that this release is simply stunning sonically*?
*to my ignorant and untrained ears
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Gaaah, I want my copy now!
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Can I just say that this release is simply stunning sonically*?
*to my ignorant and untrained ears
It looks amazing too. And you can hear the crowd!! :coolio
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Jinx..i did..my order number only contained the looking glass mp3..is the digital bundle even a download..i was told it was earlier by someone here...
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Well my Bluray/CD order contained a downloadlink for the digital album. I didn't know you could buy the digital version separately.
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Jinx..i did..my order number only contained the looking glass mp3..is the digital bundle even a download..i was told it was earlier by someone here...
Maybe it will be available once office hours start, so that it wont preempt the CD releases.
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Just got paid £565 from work so buying this today and the new What's the story Morning Glory :)
Wow...I didn't know What's the Story Morning Glory and Breaking the Fourth Wall were so expensive in the UK! :eek
:biggrin:
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Here are my 2 cents on the Blu Ray - I got it yesterday and watched it once.
For me, this is the best live DVD/Blue Ray/VHS we got from DT. Even though Score is something very special, this one is better for be because of the - for me - weaker first set on score. Yes I adore Budokan as well... but this... for me it is better!
Someone above posted that the orchestra is too quiet. I fully disagree. For me it is just perfect.
The drumsound is the best drumsound we had on a live release!
Even though I saw the show twice - seeing the drumming here makes me appreciate MM even more - the are so many subtle things going on, incredible!
For me JBL is sounding great. If there is pitch correction, it barely noticeable.
The cutting, the videos, everything is perfect...
... and then you come to the point when Illumination Theory starts.... :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
I nearly shed a tear. THAT CHOIR!!!!!!!!!!!
All the songs with the orchestra and the choir lift the respective songs to a new level. IT and Finally Free are the highlights, but also Overture 1928 with the choir parts is simply amazing.
There are two thing which could have been better: Use the choir and the orchestra for the whole concert.
Second: Yes you can hear the audience. But from time to time when you HEAR the audience you really ask yourself - is that the audience I SEE??? They are cheering really loud - but visually nearly nothing is happening.
Besides this: Perfect Release.
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Just got my copy, started watching it, everything's roses as expected, then HOLY SHIT MIKE MANGINI standing up and hammering the cymbals at the end of the keyboard solo in The Shattered Fortress. Didn't expect something so Portnoy-esque from him, certainly got my blood pumping. Can't wait to see what else do we have in store. :corn
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No complaints by me!
The blu-ray sound is superb! I can hear everyone with out straining.
The surprises for me were:
1) The performance for The Shattered Fortress was very electric and one of the highlights of the first set. I'm usually not a fan of this tune.
2) After seeing the performance on this disc, I'm a new believer in Breaking All Illusions...holy shit, what an awe inspiring feast for the eyes and ears. I've always thought the song was good, but it just may be #1 after that.
3) Space Dyed Vest didn't make me get up and leave. Watching Mangini kinda made it fun and Jordan polished the boring off the tune.
4) Mangini and JLB were the stars of this show. The energy and stamina they projected is very inspiring for me.
5) In spite of everything said in this thread, the choir and orchestra were perfectly audible and were used exactly the right amount. It placed a nice layer of whipped cream with a cherry atop the awesomesauce just in time for the big finish!
The things that were awesome and came as no surprise were, Enigma Machine, Lie/The Mirror, Illumination Theory, and Finally Free.
I was completely energized by the show, just as if I'd been there but had much better seats than is humanly possible. This is now my favorite DT concert video...easily.
I'll always have a soft spot for the MP/JR duel on Budokan but some of the set list and parts of JLB's voice bring down that concert a lot. I'm not a fan of Score, sorry. The first set isn't my cup of tea and the orchestra is so out of tune with the band that it's unlistenable for me. Live Scenes isn't filmed very well and we're treated to way too much psychedelic graphics and spitting...although the music is sublime so that brings it up a lot.
All DT's concert videos are worthwhile having, but to me, this one is the most enjoyable, beginning to end!
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Cancelled my amazon order and will be heading to best buy after work and then I will enjoy it later tonight!
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I decided to let myself listen to one song on the way to work before watching the whole thing this evening. I decided on SDV. It sounded really, really good. I just sat in my car when I pulled into work and let it play out. Wow. I'm excited about this release.
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I decided on SDV.
Which one? :neverusethis:
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No complaints by me!
The blu-ray sound is superb! I can hear everyone with out straining.
The surprises for me were:
1) The performance for The Shattered Fortress was very electric and one of the highlights of the first set. I'm usually not a fan of this tune.
2) After seeing the performance on this disc, I'm a new believer in Breaking All Illusions...holy shit, what an awe inspiring feast for the eyes and ears. I've always thought the song was good, but it just may be #1 after that.
3) Space Dyed Vest didn't make me get up and leave. Watching Mangini kinda made it fun and Jordan polished the boring off the tune.
4) Mangini and JLB were the stars of this show. The energy and stamina they projected is very inspiring for me.
5) In spite of everything said in this thread, the choir and orchestra were perfectly audible and were used exactly the right amount. It placed a nice layer of whipped cream with a cherry atop the awesomesauce just in time for the big finish!
The things that were awesome and came as no surprise were, Enigma Machine, Lie/The Mirror, Illumination Theory, and Finally Free.
I was completely energized by the show, just as if I'd been there but had much better seats than is humanly possible. This is now my favorite DT concert video...easily.
I'll always have a soft spot for the MP/JR duel on Budokan but some of the set list and parts of JLB's voice bring down that concert a lot. I'm not a fan of Score, sorry. The first set isn't my cup of tea and the orchestra is so out of tune with the band that it's unlistenable for me. Live Scenes isn't filmed very well and we're treated to way too much psychedelic graphics and spitting...although the music is sublime so that brings it up a lot.
All DT's concert videos are worthwhile having, but to me, this one is the most enjoyable, beginning to end!
I pretty much agree with everything you said. I browsed through every song and my first impression is that this is their best live release ever. I also agree with JLB and MM being the stars of the show.
JLB highlights:
-loved how he changed up the melody at the "hidden by disguise" section in Trial of Tears, sounded so good, I listened to it half a dozen times. Many subtle changes in vocal melodies here and there, really enjoyable.
-the big one, "mothers for their children" section of Illumination Theory. He went for the highest notes (unlike on many other nights) and he nailed them with intense passion and raw power. It sent massive chills down my spine.
MM highlights:
-the drum sound is 10 out of 10, absolutely huge. The kick is fat, powerful and punchy, the snare cracks, the toms have great tone and they sing (unlike on DT12 where they were pretty much dead), the cymbals sound excellent and are mixed well and that octoban fill at the end of his drum solo...wow.
-the playing is energetic and incredibly fun to listen to and watch. Lot of smiling, standing up, headbanging. He interprets MP's parts this time with some really tasty and unique fills.
JR highlights:
-the keyboards are mixed louder compared to the studio counterparts of almost every song (especially DT12), that's an enormously stupendous plus.
With regards to the DT12, ADTOE and Awake songs (as well as TSF), I can safely say at this point that the definitive version of them are found on Breaking the Fourth Wall and it will be my go-to place whenever I want to listen to them, as opposed to the studio albums.
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Wow, 2 comments about the first set of Score being the weaker one :huh:
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Good to see more opinions, will probably buy the BR next week :metal
And btw, do they actually show Myung this time around? Maybe it was just me, but I feel I did not see him a lot in LALP.
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Mine will arrive today!!! :rollin
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And btw, do they actually show Myung this time around? Maybe it was just me, but I feel I did not see him a lot in LALP.
They easily could focus on him more, that's for sure. Still, you get to see his fancy footwork with the pedals on The Enemy Inside--which is pretty cool. For the most part, he's only on screen for short moments unless he's lined up with JP for the patented dual-metal-attack or if he's rockin' out with Mangini.
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Just picked up a copy from my local store! (there were only 2 copies, I'm a lucky man :D)
(https://i.imgur.com/Q79a8uQ.jpg)
Now I'm going to listen the whole thing, and as soon I've finished I'll post my thoughts.
I'm really excited! :metal
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It sucks not having a record store in our city.
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My only complaint is that for the DVD version, set 1 is on the first disc, and set 2 + encore is on the second disc. The whole thing is great aside from that one downside.
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It sucks not having a record store in our city.
Yes, but as the old song goes, you've got livestock and leather furniture.
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My only complaint is that for the DVD version, set 1 is on the first disc, and set 2 + encore is on the second disc. The whole thing is great aside from that one downside.
??? Why is that a downside?
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It sucks not having a record store in our city.
Yes, but as the old song goes, you've got livestock and leather furniture.
:lol Barely that.
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It sucks not having a record store in our city.
Yes, but as the old song goes, you've got livestock and leather furniture.
Velcro gloves and hip waders too.
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My only complaint is that for the DVD version, set 1 is on the first disc, and set 2 + encore is on the second disc. The whole thing is great aside from that one downside.
I dunno, I don't see it as a downside. I've ordered the DVD-version and when I'll be watching it with friends we'll go for the first set, have a little break then (grab a beer, get some food or something) and then proceed with the second set. This way we don't even have to pause it or anything, just change the discs and it's all great.
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My only complaint is that for the DVD version, set 1 is on the first disc, and set 2 + encore is on the second disc. The whole thing is great aside from that one downside.
??? Why is that a downside?
Because you'd need to change discs to watch the whole show, instead of being able to watch it through in one sitting without having to change discs. While it is minor, it is a slight inconvenience.
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And you don't even get the YouTube montage to relieve the monotony...
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Anyone purchase the mp3 only option from Roadrunner? I still haven't been able to access the download - no emails, nothing showing up in my RR account. Picked up the BR from Best Buy this morning - the sound and picture are both perfect. Whatever formula they used this time around, they should stick with it.
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My only complaint is that for the DVD version, set 1 is on the first disc, and set 2 + encore is on the second disc. The whole thing is great aside from that one downside.
??? Why is that a downside?
First world problems
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My only complaint is that for the DVD version, set 1 is on the first disc, and set 2 + encore is on the second disc. The whole thing is great aside from that one downside.
??? Why is that a downside?
First world problems
I don't see any problem. Just have one of the hostage change discs for you after she finishes making your drink and sammich.
Amiright?
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My only complaint is that for the DVD version, set 1 is on the first disc, and set 2 + encore is on the second disc. The whole thing is great aside from that one downside.
??? Why is that a downside?
First world problems
I don't see any problem. Just have one of the hostage change discs for you after she finishes making your drink and sammich.
Amiright?
Ah, my good ole life.
I also ask them to dance for me in an arabesque fashion during Illumination Theory's intro. The chains make it feel real.
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Speaking of dancing. Did anyone notice when JLB said, "Who can dance to the Mirror?" :lol
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Haha. Mangini jumping out of his seat during Shattered Fortress. :tup
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Yeah, that was amazing.
"You people dancing way in the back too... I'm loving it!"
"....how the hell do you dance to The Mirror"?
I love his casual on-stage banter :lol
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Yeah, that was amazing.
"You people dancing way in the back too... I'm loving it!"
"....how the hell do you dance to The Mirror"?
I love his casual on-stage banter :lol
Yeah, that was it! I knew I had it wrong.
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I love his sporadic funny comments, like the super-glue thing from LSFNY.
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Fourth wall > Luna Park.
This one looks a lot less like a school disco / TV concert.
And yes. It actually sounds live.
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EDIT: Someone illegally uploaded part of the DVD, and I broke the forum rules by posting a link to it.
Posting officially released material is a clear violation of forum rules. This is your first and last warning on the subject.
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So, I'm listening to this on Spotify. What a beautiful mix.
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Yeah, that was amazing.
"You people dancing way in the back too... I'm loving it!"
"....how the hell do you dance to The Mirror"?
I love his casual on-stage banter :lol
That was awesome :rollin :rollin :rollin
Oh and I didn't know that John Petrucci wrote Scenes From a Memory when he was 15 :P :P
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I must say that the performance of "Space-Dye Vest" was the highlight of the DVD for me. It was a killer performance. So tender. And the spoken-word samples added such a haunting vibe. When the full-band came in and Mangini blasted the drums, I had instant chills. So epic and intense. Honestly, I never thought SDV would be such an awesome live song. They definitely did the song justice and performed it beautifully. Thanks for the gift of SDV, DT!
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Still no mp3 download link..cc billed but no link.come on RR..still pissed
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All right, my order has been shipped. It says the estimated delivery date is tomorrow. Ehhh, as long as I get it sometime before the weekend, it's cool.
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I like Mangini playing Trad Grip on "Breaking All Illusions".
I always found playing trad grip was conducive to playing softly. I liked to switch back and forth too.
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It's now available in HD Tracks! So I guess the mp3 download link would already be available too. :)
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Heads up, there is an hdtracks version!
https://www.hdtracks.com/dream-theater-breaking-the-fourth-wall-live
use coupon code FourthWall15HD for 15% discount :)
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Heads up, there is an hdtracks version!
https://www.hdtracks.com/dream-theater-breaking-the-fourth-wall-live
use coupon code FourthWall15HD for 15% discount :)
Lovely, I'm about to download now. Thanks!
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^ Broken link over here...
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My copy is coming tomorrow, can't fucking wait :metal :metal
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I am an absolute fan of this version of Trial of Tears. Incredible!
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The overlaying of the backdrop on Scarred is a bit much.
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Things I didn´t like:
- The image of the video. It is very bright at times like when you burn a photo, and not very clear.
- Petrucci ugly white guitar.
Everything else is almost perfect.
9.5/10
:) :) :)
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Things I didn´t like:
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- Petrucci ugly white guitar.
You so crazy. That guitar is gorgeous in ANY color.
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I concur. The video overlay on Scarred is cheesy. It's also a bit distracting putting the spy vs. spy video in the corner at the beginning on enigma machine. I'd rather see the videos as extras. Otherwise, I think the cinematography is pretty well done.
I extracted the LCPM audio from the DVD and ran it through the foobar2000 dynamic range plugin. The result of DR7 for the dynamic range belied my thoughts on listening... very compressed. It's still a much more balanced mix than Luna Park though. Overall I'm quite happy thus far. It will be interesting to compare the Lossless mix on the blu-ray to the HDTracks release to see if they're different.
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The overlaying of the backdrop on Scarred is a bit much.
:/. Good job I don't like that song.
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I was wondering how they would show the video screen because in the two sample songs you couldnt see it at all and i thought it would be a waste to not get some of those videos on screen, but I guess it wasnt done well. I will find out myself tonight.
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During Trail of Tears, JLB's version of
"Hidden by disguise
Stumbling in a world
Feeling uninspired
He gets into his car
Not within his eyes to see
Open up, open up
Not much better than the man you hate "
on this DVD is absolutely stellar. Oh my god.
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It's true that the photography focuses on the players to the relative exclusion of the entire stage presentation. I'm not knocking that, since it's likely that the vast majority of the fans want it that way, but I would have been quite happy to have another disc with the show from a wide shot of the entire stage. It would be fun to watch it again that way.
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Regarding the DT vs DT video on Enigma Machine, I found that quite odd that they showed it in the corner for like 2 minutes the jusy got rid of it :hat
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You so crazy. That guitar is gorgeous in ANY color.
(https://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u110/Petergrifindor/PetrucciKitty_zpse04a8706.jpg) (https://s166.photobucket.com/user/Petergrifindor/media/PetrucciKitty_zpse04a8706.jpg.html)
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If someone wouldn't mind doing so, how do songs that are on previous Blu-ray/DVD releases stack up on this new release? I love Breaking All Illusions, but for whatever reason felt it was underwhelming live (especially on LALP).
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If someone wouldn't mind doing so, how do songs that are on previous Blu-ray/DVD releases stack up on this new release? I love Breaking All Illusions, but for whatever reason felt it was underwhelming live (especially on LALP).
I've never been a huge fan of Breaking All Illusions until I saw it last night on this DVD. For me, at least, it is the absolute highlight and left me grinning with joy. A truly fantastic way to end the first set!
Trial of Tears, and On the Backs of Angels were both good but only slightly more than on other releases.
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I'm listening to the HDTracks files now, and I'm blown away by the audio quality and the performance of the band. Can't wait to see the Blu-Ray of this!
Illumination Theory makes me smile in my pantaloons :zydar:
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Regarding the DT vs DT video on Enigma Machine, I found that quite odd that they showed it in the corner for like 2 minutes the jusy got rid of it :hat
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You so crazy. That guitar is gorgeous in ANY color.
(https://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u110/Petergrifindor/PetrucciKitty_zpse04a8706.jpg) (https://s166.photobucket.com/user/Petergrifindor/media/PetrucciKitty_zpse04a8706.jpg.html)
:lol Okay...
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Anyone else see Mangini sounding a bit lost and looking at Rudess during the unison part of Dance Of Eternity where the two Johns are standing side by side ?
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For some reason, I really like the way Mangini's floor tom sounds at 1:46-1:52 in Dance of Eternity. I like the way the octobans sound as well.
Really great release from these guys!
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I'm listening to the HDTracks files now, and I'm blown away by the audio quality and the performance of the band. Can't wait to see the Blu-Ray of this!
Illumination Theory makes me smile in my pantaloons :zydar:
Damn i envy you, but i can't justify purchasing the album again, even though it should sound similar on the retail version.
Maybe a controversial opinion, but i think it's a shameless money grabbing move to have seriously compressed mixes for the physical releases only to sell the dynamic mix for a premium and in digital form.
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0h my f'ing god!! Illumination Theory is totally stunning! might be my fav DT live moment ever and James is amazing on it!! :metal
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Ok, I haven't purchased this yet, but I just listened to some of the samples on the HDTracks website. Wow, that sure sounds a lot better than the Youtube videos. I can actually hear the orchestra in the encore without having to strain. I might just purchase it through HDTracks.
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Shameless? Absolutely. But probably not in the band's control.
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So I'm listening to the audio (I'll pick up the BluRay later today) and one thing that stood out to me most was the voice of the hypnotist during the beginning of Finally Free. I know during the Metropolis: 2000 tour that they ran into trouble with using Terry Brown's voice, but I had completely forgotten that sample was even used during the song on this tour much less re-recorded for the tour.
As for the performance itself, so far I've heard Trial Of Tears, Lifting Shadows Off A Dream, Illumination Theory, and Finally Free. Based on those songs, this is an excellent live recording and way better than Luna Park production and performance wise.
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Anyone is having problem playing it on a MacBook Pro? I ripped it from the original DVD bought today, and even if I'm playing it with VLC the video quality is horrible (lagging a lot and with ultra low video quality)...while on Windows 8.1 all is perfectly ok.
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Damn..27 bucks for the HDTracks version (not including the discount code).. A bit steep.
I haven't been able to access my download from Roadrunner. Sent them an email early morning and still no reply. :sad:
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I just bought the HDTracks release and it's just as dynamically compressed as the LPCM track on the DVD :facepalm:
This is unfortunate :angry:
Here's the results from the HDTracks release:
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Analyzed: Dream Theater / Breaking the Fourth Wall [HDTracks]
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR7 -0.08 dB -7.40 dB 6:18 01-The Enemy Inside
DR6 -0.08 dB -7.49 dB 12:45 02-The Shattered Fortress
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.76 dB 8:48 03-On The Backs Of Angels
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.49 dB 4:46 04-The Looking Glass
DR7 -0.07 dB -8.34 dB 15:23 05-Trial Of Tears
DR7 -0.07 dB -8.14 dB 8:21 06-Enigma Machine
DR7 -0.07 dB -8.41 dB 4:53 07-Along For The Ride
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.92 dB 12:29 08-Breaking All Illusions
DR7 -0.08 dB -7.47 dB 6:47 09-The Mirror
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.67 dB 7:56 10-Lie
DR7 -0.08 dB -9.01 dB 6:27 11-Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.59 dB 11:41 12-Scarred
DR7 -0.08 dB -9.46 dB 7:48 13-Space Dye Vest
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.90 dB 19:25 14-Illumination Theory
DR7 -0.08 dB -7.45 dB 3:41 15-Scene Two I. Overture 1928
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.20 dB 5:09 16-Scene Two: II. Strange Déjà Vu
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.65 dB 6:16 17-Scene Seven I. The Dance Of Eternity
DR6 -0.07 dB -8.11 dB 9:56 18-Scene Nine Finally Free
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Number of tracks: 17
Official DR value: DR7
Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3013 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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The 16bit / 48khz LPCM track from the DVD:
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Analyzed: Dream Theater / Breaking the Fourth Wall [DVD]
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR7 -0.08 dB -7.40 dB 6:16 01-The Enemy Inside
DR6 -0.07 dB -7.53 dB 12:57 02-The Shattered Fortress
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.91 dB 9:08 03-On the Backs of Angels
DR7 -0.08 dB -7.47 dB 4:45 04-The Looking Glass
DR7 -0.07 dB -8.41 dB 15:53 05-Trial of Tears
DR7 -0.07 dB -8.25 dB 8:34 06-Enigma Machine (with drum solo by Mike Mangini)
DR7 -0.08 dB -8.23 dB 4:41 07-Along for the Ride
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.92 dB 12:31 08-Breaking All Illusions
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.49 dB 6:48 09-The Mirror
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.75 dB 8:11 10-Lie
DR7 -0.08 dB -8.90 dB 6:13 11-Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.59 dB 11:41 12-Scarred
DR7 -0.08 dB -9.67 dB 8:17 13-Space-Dye Vest
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.93 dB 19:45 14-Illumination Theory
DR7 -0.08 dB -7.46 dB 3:37 15-Overture 1928
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.23 dB 5:13 16-Strange Déjà Vu
DR7 -0.07 dB -7.66 dB 6:17 17-The Dance of Eternity
DR7 -0.07 dB -8.57 dB 11:48 18-Finally Free
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Number of tracks: 18
Official DR value: DR7
Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1027 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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I just bought the HDTracks release and it's just as dynamically compressed as the LPCM track on the DVD :facepalm:.
This is unfortunate :angry:
Thanks for reporting. I was close to falling in the same trap.
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So then it's not worth it to buy both, but is it still worth it to buy if that's all I'm getting?
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I am really happy with the sound on this album. It sounds live and energetic, which is a great combination with how refined all the guys' playing is - a really rare combination for any band, in my opinion. Sometimes I take DT for granted but a release like this makes me appreciate them again!
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Okay so I just got done watching BTFW on my computer with headphones, and it was so incredible that some parts drove me to tears (in a good way.)
I wanted to try to watch the show in order, but I just HAD to skip to Finally Free first, as it is a top 2 DT song for me and I was excited about the orchestra.
During Finally Free, there were 3 different points when my eyes teared up due to the sheer audible rush of astonishment. That doesn't happen to me often.
That said, Finally Free is unquestionably my favorite single song on the DVD, and probably my 2nd favorite overall live DT moment. The first being Octavarium at Score.
There were many other great highlights on BTFW.
OTBoA sounded amazing, as James led the crowd to sing along with the choir parts.
Space Dye Vest was another standout moment. Just hair-raising...so much emotion.
The Shattered Fortress was really cool, considering that is not a top DT song for me. Jordan's solos were sick! Also, MM actually stood up (like Portnoy used to sometimes) during the hard instrumental part. Very high-energy
Overall, I enjoyed this show way more than Luna Park. I actually liked the Luna Park set list a lot better (since I am a huge ADToE fan), but Fourth Wall just sounded better to me. LP was extremely dry, whereas BTFW actually sounds like a live show.
MM's snare sounded huge on Fourth Wall, and Jordan was higher in the mix than he was on Luna Park. Those 2 things were HUGE fixes, as they were 2 of my main gripes from LP.
James sounds awesome again, as to be expected. It is difficult for me to judge the bass, as I had very bass-driven headphones on. I will reserve any opinion about the bass until I hear it properly.
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The title of this thread needs changing now, doesn't it? It's not "upcoming" anymore. It's here.
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*Blows lantern out*
I mean.
Really enjoyed the DVD, probably prefer this over Score for setlist alone.
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- I thought that On The Backs Of Angles sounded phenomenal. JLB had the crowd singing along with the choir parts. Hair-raising!
ADTOE has some amazing songs. The album just suffers from the bad production.
OTBOA and BAI on this release show the true potential of the material written in those sessions.
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I've just finished watching the first half. I'm enjoying it so far, the performance is stellar, especially on Breaking All Illusions and Trial of Tears. I'm disappointed in the mix though, listening through a nice set of studio monitors (set to Stereo and not 5.1 as I think it defaults to). As has been pointed out it's very compressed and doesn't really breathe as a mix, although that does give it a big live sounding feel. I do kind of like that even if it's a little fatiguing on the ears.
I can barely hear Myung, in a dense rock mix he should be on an even level with the kick drum. But the kick is way, way louder than the bass, and I can't think why. Petrucci's tone is odd, it lacks girth and bite and seems to be all mids. No complaints with Rudess, he's nice and clear, and JLB sounds awesome.
The funny/strange thing is, the drums sound FANTASTIC (dat snare, man) but I'm wondering if it's not helping the overall mix. They seem to overbear things a little in the levels/liberal use of reverb. It's like the sounds and tones don't really blend or fit/lock in together, which is odd, because they did at the concerts I went to.
It's not enough to ruin my enjoyment at all, there's just several oddities in the way it's been mixed that lead me to believe it was either rushed or there were problems in the live capture. I could be wrong.
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Still waiting for the BlueRay from Roadrunner as well as the download link for the audio files . :tdwn
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Just received a download link from RR about 5 mins ago. They sent the link through customer service so I'm not sure if it will appear on your account.
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Does anyone know if the audio version of this will end up on Spotify (in Sweden)? LALP didn't, which was a bit disappointing.
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Does anyone know if the audio version of this will end up on Spotify (in Sweden)? LALP didn't, which was a bit disappointing.
The audio versions will end on Spotify. The proof, as of the time of this post, is in my signature which tracks Spotify tracks.
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The audio version is on Spotify right now.
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Doesn't seem to be on Spotify UK. :-[
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Um, just put on the blu ray and no FAS intro to the concert or as a bonus. I thought that itwas included!
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Definitely had FAS on my DVD.
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Doesn't seem to be on Spotify UK. :-[
Can't see it on the Australian one either. I guess they're holding off until our release date, which I think is 3rd Oct. It would have been nice to listen to the steam until I bought the DVD, but I guess I'll have to wait until the weekend and hope it's in store.
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Awe dammit. the main picture when you open up the Blu ray is exactly where I was sitting but the big head in the middle of the picture is blocking me but I can see my friend next to me though. Pretty cool.
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Drums are a bit overpowering, but this actually sounds like a live album, unlike say, Live at Luna Park or Iced Earth's Live in Ancient Kourion. The crowd is actually audible this time!
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The crowd is actually audible this time!
JR is actually audible this time! They actually heard our praise from the Happy Holidays album! Sounds great to me.
Finally Free with a live orchestra! :eek
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It seems like they inverted the mix on LaLp :lol
The guitar sometimes get lost in the mix (and that washy tone helps a lot), but everything else sounds fantastic.
That's the only complaint I can think of.
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I was a bit weirded out by the setlist until I realized that Awake turns 20 this year and SFAM turns 15. And I quite like it. Those songs along with the new ones differentiate it enough from LaLP that I feel the purchase was worth it. And as someone who loves Space Dye Vest, it was a real treat seeing it here.
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I'm glad to hear (of) Jordan being turned up. I must say that I also find it hilariously ironic that JP apparently isn't loud enough sometimes, and that MM is too loud (which is something I'm inclined to agree with based on the HD track previews, but I'll reserve judgement til I listen with my stereo and not the shitty headset I'm using at the moment). :lol
Anyway, I should have my copy tomorrow, and I'm extremely hyped and looking forward to it so lets hope my expectations don't kill the experience. :xbones
Off topic: Just a funny coincidence, but anyone notice the new Flying Colors album came out practically the same day as DTs new live album? I was listening to that today at work, very much enjoying it, awesome stuff. :metal
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Amazing Blu-ray. Pretty much tied with Score and Budokan on my favorites by DT.
Only complaint is the video stuff/art going on during Scarred. Honestly ruined a great performance visually (audio is still amazing) for me personally. I tried to ignore it but it proved to be extremely distracting during the whole song.
James started to let loose and really kill it after the 1st set. It's also great to see Mangini having a blast. Brilliant performance by everyone :tup
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I had to watch Finally free from youtube.. Labrie sounds amazing!!! x___x
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I saw another post about JMX's tooooone, it does sound kinda weak in TDOE.
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Finally able to start browsing through the tracks on Spotify. Sounds absolutely incredible so far.
The Enemy Inside sounds excellent
On the Backs of Angels really comes alive on this one. Way better than LaLP.
The Shattered Fortress and Lie fucking KILL. HOLY SHIT.
Lifting Shadows is GORGEOUS.
Space Dye Vest is everything I wanted it to be and more. Amazing.
IT is excellent. SFAM suite is the best live version of all 4 songs.
Overall, just based off audio, this is the best live album they've put out. KILLER set, excellent performances, great mix.
If anyone STILL wants to say Mangini sucks and isn't the right man for the band this, even though ADToE-DT12 have proven that's false, then there's just no hope for those people. He fucking NAILS every song on this album. His best performance so far. Some of the fills in TSF Lie and IT are incomprehensibly amazing.
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I can say much more later about the DVD but for now all I can say it sounds completely live whereas LALP is not. That's a good thing, of course.
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I'm very happy with this album. It's like DT finally graduating from the Images and Words box that fans put them in, and showing how amazing their work has been beyond that seminal album.
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What's the verdict on the HDTracks version? Does it sound noticeably better than the CD, like DT12 HDTracks does?
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Um, just put on the blu ray and no FAS intro to the concert or as a bonus. I thought that itwas included!
FAS plays when you select the "play whole concert" button. It is not available in the "select track" menu.
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I'm very happy with this album. It's like DT finally graduating from the Images and Words box that fans put them in, and showing how amazing their work has been beyond that seminal album.
Agreed. Really nice to not have PMU or Metropolis on the setlist as much as I like those tracks.
Really awesome setlist :metal
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Listening to this epic version of Illumination Theory, I am reminded of this statement by JP:
"Sometimes I have solos that are right at the end like the very last thing on “Illumination Theory” where I know my job is to carry the torch and play the mighty solo standing on top of the mountain."
You are indeed on the top of that mountain with that outro, JP. With the choir and the orchestra, what an epic climax.
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Um, just put on the blu ray and no FAS intro to the concert or as a bonus. I thought that itwas included!
FAS plays when you select the "play whole concert" button. It is not available in the "select track" menu.
I believe the CDs don't include FAS at all either, nor is it available on HD tracks. Not that I'd really expect it to be as it'd be identical to the studio version but with crowd noise... Would have been cool if the orchestra played it I suppose but it'd probably take away from the unveiling fof the band at the beginning.
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I just bought the HDTracks release and it's just as dynamically compressed as the LPCM track on the DVD :facepalm:
This is unfortunate :angry:
Wow. That sucks.
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Um, just put on the blu ray and no FAS intro to the concert or as a bonus. I thought that itwas included!
FAS plays when you select the "play whole concert" button. It is not available in the "select track" menu.
I believe the CDs don't include FAS at all either, nor is it available on HD tracks. Not that I'd really expect it to be as it'd be identical to the studio version but with crowd noise... Would have been cool if the orchestra played it I suppose but it'd probably take away from the unveiling fof the band at the beginning.
It's actually a newly recorded orchestral-only version that was used exclusively for the tour, and as far as I'm aware, hasn't been available anywhere else until now. Being pre-recorded, I can understand that they didn't include it on the CD though. They don't usually include the intro video audio on the CDs anyway.
Does the intro video on the DVD/BR have crowd noise over it, or is it straight up? It's still at least a couple more days before it will be available here.
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It's the straight audio.
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Thanks. Figured it probably was.
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Oh wow, very interesting! :o I never realised it was a different version despite hearing it multiple times on various boots. :facepalm:
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Still no dl link to the digital download...says it shipped..what the hell is it a download or not.
Needless to say i wont be ordering from RR SITE again.
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I can say much more later about the DVD but for now all I can say it sounds completely live whereas LALP is not. That's a good thing, of course.
I agree.
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Scarred is a complete snooze-fest though and the overlaying of the video FX on the entirety of that song don't help me like it either.
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I still havent got to Scarred yet but it truly is a 'Marmite' in the DT catalogue isnt it? :lol
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Scarred is a complete snooze-fest though and the overlaying of the video FX on the entirety of that song don't help me like it either.
I agree. A couple of the songs that I don't really care for (The Shattered Fortress, Along For The Ride) became a little better in the live setting, but it looks like nothing can save Scarred :P
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A minor gripe I had after watching IT last night going into the SFAM suite was the way it completely fades out, crowd noise and all. Doesnt seem to flow as well as the BAI into Metropolis from LALP.
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Interesting to hear the comments on scarred. It's one of my favorite songs from Awake and I've always preferred it to say, Voices. The middle part ("Do you feel?") is one of my absolute favorite dt parts and the outro is magic.
I loved the performance of it on the blue ray but I'm not sure why the effects were necessary.
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I still havent got to Scarred yet but it truly is a 'Marmite' in the DT catalogue isnt it? :lol
I tried to enjoy it but it's just not a hooky or catchy song at all imo.
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Easily the best live DVD I´ve seen of DT, both soundwise and picture-wise. And finally the crowd response they so deserve!
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So I'm about to head put to the store in about an hour to get the DVD. Is there really no CD version. WTF??
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I only watched the encore last night and I really enjoyed it. Overture and Finally Free benefitted greatly from the choir and orchestra, but for SDV and TDOE, it felt like it wasnt as noticeable. I am excited to watch more tonight!
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So I'm about to head put to the store in about an hour to get the DVD. Is there really no CD version. WTF??
I don't think so. There are CD's that came with my Blu-ray that I don't think I'll ever use. You're welcome to them.
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So I'm about to head put to the store in about an hour to get the DVD. Is there really no CD version. WTF??
I don't think so. There are CD's that came with my Blu-ray that I don't think I'll ever use. You're welcome to them.
PM sent!
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I still havent got to Scarred yet but it truly is a 'Marmite' in the DT catalogue isnt it? :lol
I tried to enjoy it but it's just not a hooky or catchy song at all imo.
You're obviously listening to a different song.
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Scarred is probably my Dream Theater all-time favorite song. :metal
Anyways, about the DVD. I finally got the digital album from Roadrunner and the mix is quite peculiar. It sounds very chorusy and with a lot of reverb. JP's tone and playing is indistinguishable. You can hardly hear what he's playing. Sounds very distorted and mushy and not clear. I do like James' vocals and JR's key presence (a tad low but ok). The bass sometimes you can hear it, sometimes you can't. Seems like the bass gets lost a lot when JP's guitar sound overtakes (and overwhelms) everybody else. I also think the drum sound is a bit lacking but its clear and you can hear most of the times what MM is playing...something that lacked on the last couple of studio albums.
A bit strange that I haven't been able to find the dvd or blu ray in Austin. I tried a couple of Best Buys and one FYE and was not lucky. Still waiting for the RR bundle to arrive in the mail. I'll try a Barnes and Noble today and see if its available. It's the first time I've had problems finding a DT release. I could even get it in El Paso, TX when I lived over there and its about 5x (probably more) smaller in size than Austin.
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It has arrived, Breaking Zydar's Fourth Couch.
(https://i.imgur.com/vIrqiYq.jpg)
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Just opened my DVD. The pictures in the booklet are phenomenol. I remember as a kid, marveling at band shots on live albums. These remind me of that.
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It has arrived, Breaking Zydar's Fourth Couch.
(https://i.imgur.com/vIrqiYq.jpg)
:zydarscouch: :zydarscouch: :zydarscouch: :zydar:
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I still havent got to Scarred yet but it truly is a 'Marmite' in the DT catalogue isnt it? :lol
I tried to enjoy it but it's just not a hooky or catchy song at all imo.
You're obviously listening to a different song.
Or I just have a different opinion to you.
Notice how that has happened before ?
Yeah... It will happen again.
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Was able to watch the first set last night. I'm not an audiophile nor have I ever really cared about this mix or that mix....I like DT music period paragraph end with any mix/producer/engineer....whatever.
Aside from them all sounding, looking and acting great the one thing that stood out to me throughout was the fact that Mike Mangini is a beast on the drums and was the perfect person to replace MP when he bolted for greener pastures. You can hear his playing very good....hear every bass drum and hi hat hit....and it illustrates greatly what an amazing drummer he is. Beat for beat he was fantastic.
Can't wait to watch the second set tonight.
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Mine arrived today too luckily at the same time with new blu-ray player!!
I really like the sound, the atmosphere and THE Mangini machine. Really, that guy is so full of energy!! I knew that but he still amazes me! Some of those fills are on the other planet.
The choir and orchestra was a little disappointment, they should have used it more, for example TDOE's ragtime section should have played by orchestra.
I can't understand the critics about sound quality. In my opinion all instruments are in really good balance. No complaints here!
One question: Who sings MP's parts in TSF? It definitely doesn't sound like James nor JP.
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I bet it's JM.
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What's the verdict on the HDTracks version? Does it sound noticeably better than the CD, like DT12 HDTracks does?
The main reason that DT12 sounded better on HDTracks was because it had increased dynamic range. The CD release had a lot of dynamic range compression applied during mastering whereas the HDTracks release did not. It was not improved necessarily due to the increased bit depth and sample rate.
If you go back to my previous comment I posed a dynamics analysis comparing the LPCM track on the DVD (CD quality stereo) to the HDTracks release, and they have pretty much identical dynamic range so the HDTracks version will not sound noticeably better.
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One question: Who sings MP's parts in TSF? It definitely doesn't sound like James nor JP.
It is a backing track, with JP also joining in and singing over it as well. It is hard to tell if the backing track is the same as the studio backing track or if they re-recorded it for the live shows.
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One question: Who sings MP's parts in TSF? It definitely doesn't sound like James nor JP.
It is a backing track, with JP also joining in and singing over it as well. It is hard to tell if the backing track is the same as the studio backing track or if they re-recorded it for the live shows.
It really sounds like they had a different individual speak them then they added that effect. On the studio version you can 'tell' it's MP with that deep effect added....this guys voice doesn't match MP's....or at least....it sounds different than the studio version.
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Right. There's no way they're channeling MP's voice on it.
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One question: Who sings MP's parts in TSF? It definitely doesn't sound like James nor JP.
It is a backing track, with JP also joining in and singing over it as well. It is hard to tell if the backing track is the same as the studio backing track or if they re-recorded it for the live shows.
It really sounds like they had a different individual speak them then they added that effect. On the studio version you can 'tell' it's MP with that deep effect added....this guys voice doesn't match MP's....or at least....it sounds different than the studio version.
Sounds like they re-recorded the backing track since last time that DT used a backing track, they got sued (Terry Brown, SFAM).
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One question: Who sings MP's parts in TSF? It definitely doesn't sound like James nor JP.
It is a backing track, with JP also joining in and singing over it as well. It is hard to tell if the backing track is the same as the studio backing track or if they re-recorded it for the live shows.
It really sounds like they had a different individual speak them then they added that effect. On the studio version you can 'tell' it's MP with that deep effect added....this guys voice doesn't match MP's....or at least....it sounds different than the studio version.
Sounds like they re-recorded the backing track since last time that DT used a backing track, they got sued (Terry Brown, SFAM).
Really? I hadn't heard that. Was that the hypnotist?
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So I'm watching the first set now, up to Trial Of Tears. Mike Mangini is KILLING IT. Incredible. You lament the loss of MP, with he changing setlists and all that, but after watching this, I don't know what you could say. MM is incredible.
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One question: Who sings MP's parts in TSF? It definitely doesn't sound like James nor JP.
It is a backing track, with JP also joining in and singing over it as well. It is hard to tell if the backing track is the same as the studio backing track or if they re-recorded it for the live shows.
It really sounds like they had a different individual speak them then they added that effect. On the studio version you can 'tell' it's MP with that deep effect added....this guys voice doesn't match MP's....or at least....it sounds different than the studio version.
Sounds like they re-recorded the backing track since last time that DT used a backing track, they got sued (Terry Brown, SFAM).
Really? I hadn't heard that. Was that the hypnotist?
Yeah, according to MP, Terry did the part on SFAM as a hidden cameo. He also knew the band planned on playing the album in full. However they didn't expressly ask for his permission to use his recordings from SFAM on tour and he got upset when they did use them.
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So I'm watching the first set now, up to Trial Of Tears. Mike Mangini is KILLING IT. Incredible. You lament the loss of MP, with he changing setlists and all that, but after watching this, I don't know what you could say. MM is incredible.
Those were my thoughts exactly. What impresses me about MM is that he doesn't take a 'vacation' in any songs. He plays the notes that are on the studio albums and may even add a few....especially the bass drum parts. For as fast and as impressive as his hand speed is his footwork is remarkable and both come through loud and clear on this DVD.
Oh and.....JP kills it on Trial of Tears (again) on this DVD....
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One question: Who sings MP's parts in TSF? It definitely doesn't sound like James nor JP.
It is a backing track, with JP also joining in and singing over it as well. It is hard to tell if the backing track is the same as the studio backing track or if they re-recorded it for the live shows.
Was there a financial settlement or did they just cease using his voice and re-record?
It really sounds like they had a different individual speak them then they added that effect. On the studio version you can 'tell' it's MP with that deep effect added....this guys voice doesn't match MP's....or at least....it sounds different than the studio version.
Sounds like they re-recorded the backing track since last time that DT used a backing track, they got sued (Terry Brown, SFAM).
Really? I hadn't heard that. Was that the hypnotist?
Yeah, according to MP, Terry did the part on SFAM as a hidden cameo. He also knew the band planned on playing the album in full. However they didn't expressly ask for his permission to use his recordings from SFAM on tour and he got upset when they did use them.
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I still havent got to Scarred yet but it truly is a 'Marmite' in the DT catalogue isnt it? :lol
I tried to enjoy it but it's just not a hooky or catchy song at all imo.
You're obviously listening to a different song.
Or I just have a different opinion to you.
Notice how that has happened before ?
Yeah... It will happen again.
NO! YOU ARE LISTENING TO A DIFFERENT SONG, DAMN IT!
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I guess it's only available in some regions? I'm not seeing anything on Spotify, and when I try a direct link in my browser, the release does pop up but I can't click on any of the songs.
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I guess it's only available in some regions? I'm not seeing anything on Spotify, and when I try a direct link in my browser, the release does pop up but I can't click on any of the songs.
I've seen some Oct 3 release dates floating around. So that might be the issue that's still not officially released in certain countries
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Just saw Illumination Theory, my god... I thought Octavarium was the best thing they ever made, my opinion has completely changed. Dream Theater has ascended into a whole new level people.
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Ok so I've listened to it all the way through once... And right now I'm watching bits and pieces.... I have to say... The orchestral break in IT gave me goosebumps. Same with the One Last Time section of FF. Holy shit :hefdaddy
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I have sampled some songs through legal sources, but hell. People who are saying that this is a good sounding release. Please, man, please. For the sake of future audio, don't praise this kind of stuff too much. Don't encourage engineers and bands to make their music sound like this. It has close to zero dynamic range. I have audio meters in my mixing desk, and they're standing still all the time! Basically, like listening to a FM broadcast. Who on earth mastered this one? Didn't some of the guys in DT say (I guess it was Jordan?) that they were abandoning the 'loudness war' for once and for all? First DT12, and now even live their live releases are mega compressed?
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Every problem everyone has had with the sound, I've somehow managed to not suffer. Everything sounds good on my end.
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Every problem everyone has had with the sound, I've somehow managed to not suffer. Everything sounds good on my end.
It sounds like an under produced live album (or a great sounding bootleg), and that's OK with me. If I'm listening to a live album, I want it to sound live. Too much polish on a live album makes it lose its authenticity.
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Every problem everyone has had with the sound, I've somehow managed to not suffer. Everything sounds good on my end.
It sounds like an under produced live album (or a great sounding bootleg), and that's OK with me. If I'm listening to a live album, I want it to sound live. Too much polish on a live album makes it lose its authenticity.
Yeah....that's the aspect I like most about it. The 'real' feel about the whole show. I don't think any DVD they release will top Budakon as my favorite but this one is already a close second and I've only heard/seen half the set.
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Every problem everyone has had with the sound, I've somehow managed to not suffer. Everything sounds good on my end.
It sounds like an under produced live album (or a great sounding bootleg), and that's OK with me. If I'm listening to a live album, I want it to sound live. Too much polish on a live album makes it lose its authenticity.
It sounds like a great sounding bootleg, which is not bad. Reminds me of the Once In A Livetime release which I loved every single second of it. I guess my main concern on this release is JP's massive muddy guitar sound where you can't distinguish what he is playing.
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Just watched the Blu-Ray and Illumination Theory is just.... wow. The closing SFAM part was brilliant as well. One of their very best DVDs, if not THE best.
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That's it folks. Zydar gives it two eyebrow raises!
We're done here.
Someone switch off the lights on your way out.
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Actually if I have one complaint about the DVD, it's the fact I can't see the Shattered Fortress and Strange Deja Vu concert films. Ah well. Only complaint I've got.
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That's it folks. Zydar gives it two eyebrow raises!
We're done here.
Someone switch off the lights on your way out.
:zydar: :zydar:
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Oh, one thing that bares mentioning. I was nearly as stoked to see Blob's work in highres as I was to see this concert. I was completely floored at the quality of the FAS video. In fact, I'm a bit disappointed we did have an extra feature with all his in song videos.
Great job Blob!! :clap:
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Haven't watched the whole thing yet, but JP's tone :facepalm: why? how? why? :tdwn
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Haven't watched the whole thing yet, but JP's tone :facepalm: why? how? why? :tdwn
"Three excellent questions". - Giles
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I have sampled some songs through legal sources, but hell. People who are saying that this is a good sounding release. Please, man, please. For the sake of future audio, don't praise this kind of stuff too much. Don't encourage engineers and bands to make their music sound like this. It has close to zero dynamic range. I have audio meters in my mixing desk, and they're standing still all the time! Basically, like listening to a FM broadcast. Who on earth mastered this one? Didn't some of the guys in DT say (I guess it was Jordan?) that they were abandoning the 'loudness war' for once and for all? First DT12, and now even live their live releases are mega compressed?
Isn't that one reason for the HDTracks? non-HD for iphones, etc, HD for better equipment?
Glad that a HD version is out right away. They're slowly getting it!
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Really wish I could buy the CDs for this!!
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I love the Blu-Ray.
I´ve seen the whole thing twice and plugged in my high-quality headphones, and I love the audio on this! The orchestra could have been louder at times, but as a whole - its great!
My biggest complaint - THE MENU! I am colorblind, and I just can´t see which act/song/audio-setting I´m selecting.
It´s fucking annoying!!
Dream Theater just don´t care about handicapped people!!!!! :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
(that was a joke)
But, really.. I seriously have to guess what song I´m selecting :P
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You guys seem to praise IT more than other performances but man, that Scarred is just simply perfect. James nails it!
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James really shines on this release! :metal
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On my second time through the DVD.
My thoughts:
1. Mangini KILLS IT! I posted that already. I realize the drum torch was passed already, but this performance is the exclamation point.
2. This show was a very good night for James on this tour, but I don't know if he was THIS good. Not calling shenanigans, but this is definitely enhanced. That's OK. James OWNS this performance and this live document has to rival his performance on Score. Truly incredible.
3. Seeing DT many times, you never really know which JP you are going to get. On this show, we got the "serious" JP. But I think he knew what was at stake for the recording of this. He nailed all of his solos this night, especially the Space Dye Vest one. But I also feel that his chest tapping at the end during the final bow was as sincere and emotional as I've ever witnessed from JP.
4. I said this after the show, but it's clear that JM is one happy guy. He seems to LOVE playing with Mangini.
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A bit strange that I haven't been able to find the dvd or blu ray in Austin. I tried a couple of Best Buys and one FYE and was not lucky. Still waiting for the RR bundle to arrive in the mail. I'll try a Barnes and Noble today and see if its available. It's the first time I've had problems finding a DT release.
Any luck? I could not find it at Best Buy or a few other stores, and Barnes and Noble is the only place near me that sells Blurays I have not yet tried.
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I love the Blu-Ray.
I´ve seen the whole thing twice and plugged in my high-quality headphones, and I love the audio on this! The orchestra could have been louder at times, but as a whole - its great!
My biggest complaint - THE MENU! I am colorblind, and I just can´t see which act/song/audio-setting I´m selecting.
It´s fucking annoying!!
Dream Theater just don´t care about handicapped people!!!!! :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
(that was a joke)
But, really.. I seriously have to guess what song I´m selecting :P
I thought that was a Mike Portnoy quote.
For realz.
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I have sampled some songs through legal sources, but hell. People who are saying that this is a good sounding release. Please, man, please. For the sake of future audio, don't praise this kind of stuff too much. Don't encourage engineers and bands to make their music sound like this. It has close to zero dynamic range. I have audio meters in my mixing desk, and they're standing still all the time! Basically, like listening to a FM broadcast. Who on earth mastered this one? Didn't some of the guys in DT say (I guess it was Jordan?) that they were abandoning the 'loudness war' for once and for all? First DT12, and now even live their live releases are mega compressed?
Isn't that one reason for the HDTracks? non-HD for iphones, etc, HD for better equipment?
Glad that a HD version is out right away. They're slowly getting it!
The HD is imperceptible. Red book CD is as good as sound can get to human ears if done right. In DTXII's case the CD was done wrong but HDTracks right. Here they're apparently both done wrong.
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Any luck? I could not find it at Best Buy or a few other stores, and Barnes and Noble is the only place near me that sells Blurays I have not yet tried.
I got one at Best Buy yesterday. I couldn't find it in the store, and an employee had to go to the back/storage area to look for it. Took him like 15 minutes, but I got it :biggrin:
Not sure why they wouldn't quickly put a Bluray on the shelves from a band that does so well with their concert DVD/Blurays. I guess a lot of DT fans order online anyway.
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It's really stupid that people who prefer some dynamic range have to buy the HDtracks version. Is there a HDtracks Blu-Ray? No.
Dream Theater have never been known to have high dynamic range. I&W, Awake and to a lesser extent FII have nice dynamic range. Records up until Octavarium had increased compression and limiting, but I still don't mind those. It's Systematic Chaos where it really went out of the window. Surprisingly, ADTOE had a soft mastering job, but the drum recording sounded weak.
I'll never understand why it's impossible for DT to make a high quality recording like Awake or FII these days. Even Six Degrees. Imagine a new DT release with that type of sound quality. What's so difficult about it? Is it really Kevin Shirley that we need?
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Yeah, I never really understood why the can't just make a great sounding album. Unless this sound quality is their vision, which would be a huge :huh: moment for me.
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I got one at Best Buy yesterday. I couldn't find it in the store, and an employee had to go to the back/storage area to look for it. Took him like 15 minutes, but I got it :biggrin:
Thank; I'll try that later today.
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Oh, and WTF is up with the graphics over Scarred. What is this, The Beat Club
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I finally get to give my opinion!!!
So here I go.
In a word it is AMAZING!
THE GOOD:
Mangini!
-The drum sound - Perfect. I seriously have nothing but praise for the sound of the drums on this album.
James!
-This is probably his finest performance from a live album. I am totally aware of what I am saying and I realize Score and Budokan exist. This is James more raw and yet nearly flawless than anything else we have one a live recording.
With that said, there was some discussion about the vocals being a bit flat at time. Ya know what? I heard that a few times and I realize I LOVE IT! Yeah, I love that his performance was not totally perfect because it sounds real. It also shows that they didn't overdo it with autotune/pitch correction.
The Setlist!
-I've mentioned it before but this is about as good as a setlist as you can get in 2014
The orchestra/choir!
- What they did was great and I love what they added
James LaBrie Jibba Jabba
-"How in the Hell do you dance to the mirror?" "You don't like that one? I know, its not my favorite either. " Fucking classic!
THE BAD:
The mix
-not the best. Then again, it does give it a bit more of that raw bootleg feel but I just feel like the guitar/vocals/bass get varied at various times. When they are not buried then I think the mix is perfect. The Mirror is a good example of how the mix occasionally works for some songs. On that same token, I had trouble hearing the orchestra and choir :(
The guitar/bass sound
- Yeah, its not horrible but it lacks a lot of the aggression you want to hear. Again I should say that some songs like the Mirror the sound actually works pretty good
THE UGLY:
- Nothing. In fact "THE BAD" should really be changed to "Minor quibbles"
This release fucking rules! :yarr
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How lucky to be in the chorus standing behind Mangini. Even though my lines were basically "Ooh" and Ahh", I still would've fucked them up!
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It worked. :)
I got my Bluray, and will be watching later tonight. I have already seen Illumination Theory, and I really like the subtly altered vocal melodies and the Wah solo at the end of Pursuit of Truth. The latter in particular is better than on DT12. Cannot wait to see the rest.
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The "movie" on screen during the encore are the work of someone, here? They're amazing, I would say it was Lasse Hoile's work, but maybe I'm wrong.
In any case great job. All of them are great.
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Just watched. WOW What a :censored ing phenomenal release.
That was seriously awesome.
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I haven't been able to rip the audio from the Blu-Ray. I get an error about BD+ or something. Little help?
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I haven't been able to rip the audio from the Blu-Ray. I get an error about BD+ or something. Little help?
If you were a real "fan" you'd buy the limited edition with the audio CDs.
PetDick.
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:rollin
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Just popped it in. MM is killing it. The whole band sounds great
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Okay this doesn't really belong in this thread because it's really in regard to several releases, not just this one.. but a guy in charge said so, so here we go.
To the person pitch-correcting LaBrie's Voice-
AT LEAST TUNE HIM TO THE RIGHT NOTE
Thought he was flat on that C#? That's because he's singing a C natural. If you tune him to a C#, you are literally making the listener hear a wrong note that the singer originally performed correctly. Not to mention that it will suddenly make it sound like we're listening to a singing robot leprechaun.
This happened at least 7 or 8 times on this Blu-Ray. Usually during the most climactic and high vocal parts of the song.
Thank you for being literally the only problem with what is otherwise a perfect live release of the greatest band in the world.
I didn't notice that at all, point out where it happens?
Happily.
--"Boston I'm all alone" (Lie) : the word "Boston" should have been A4 then Ab4. It was tuned to two A4s.
--"Never come near me again" (SDV) : should be A, Bb, G, A, Bb, G, A (respectively per each syllable) but was instead tuned to G, A, G, A, A, G, A.
--RIDICULOUS- "Lifting Shadows off a Dream" (the first chorus): "Dream" was tuned to A4 instead of F#4. NOT EVEN CLOSE. He does this F# with his signature breathy wide vibrato, which is supposed to give it the effect of sliding to a higher note, so whoever did this crap job misinterpreted and tuned it to the 5th of the chord rather than the 3rd. It's not musically wrong, just not what he sang, or what is actually in the song.
--"I'll never trust you again" (Mirror) : should be Bb for "I'll never" and A for "trust you again", but was just made into an A the whole time. This mistake was made both choruses (the other one being "Living life so pretend"), probably because whoever was tuning this didn't know what the note was supposed to be.
--Another really bad one, very easy to hear- "Living in fear" (Second chorus of Mirror) should be a Bb for "Living" but it was tuned to a B natural. This is exactly what I mean when I say "Thought he was flat on that C#? That's because he's singing a C natural", but in this case it's a B and a Bb.
--"And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend" and "And I'll have no more dreams to defend" (SDV) Were both tuned to end on an F4, when they should both be E4. (It is possible that this one was done purposely, but it doesn't sound like it)
--"Not with in his eyes to see, open up, open up / Not much better than the man you hate" (ToT) : "eyes", both "op"s, and "man" were all tuned to C#5, whereas some of them should be C5 natural, or somewhere in between C and C# for the bluesy effect. (On the studio album they are NOT strait C#'s, nor was he ever going for that. It is common for to slide between the 4 and 5 on a pentatonic scale)
--a lot of small things such as "With my thoughts wrapped around me" (ToT) : thoughts was tuned to F# when it should have been an F natural. Even if he was originally slightly sharp on that F, it's still incorrect to tune it to an F# if you are going to tune it in the first place.
--GLARINGLY OBVIOUS- "People in prayer for me, everyone there for me" (Scarred) Should be F# on both "people in prayer" and "everyone there", but the latter was tuned to G. This is an example of something he might have been slightly sharp on, but I guarantee whatever he sang was a hell of a lot closer to an F# than the G you hear in this recording. (Meaning that even if you want them to pitch-correct it to hear a perfect recording, they could have tuned it to an F# and at least it would have been correct)
--"Wash your hands of regret" (the first one) (Scarred) : hands was tuned up to F#4 when it should have been an F4 (a prime example of a note he probably actually nailed live)
Haven't watched the blu-ray yet, but just curious...you're sure you are saying he actually sang the correct note and that an editor changed it to an incorrect note?
How do you know he didn't just sing an incorrect note and do you really think the band hired and approved the changes of someone that incompetent?
Absolutely sure. Because if you look at the examples, they are all notes that he hits a certain way every night of the tour. Even if he hit them all flat or sharp the night of the DVD, it probably wouldn't be enough to make it a different note, or even if it was enough, it would not make it closer to the note that they chose to tune it to. Such as "Hands" in that last example- even if he was sharp or flat on that F, it would not make it better to tune it to an F# because it is outside of the chord they are playing. Whoever was tuning his voice probably thought that note was supposed to stay on an F# because the chord they are playing is not a natural chord in the key (F# is the natural note in the key, but they use an F natural in the song when they go to the out-of-scale chord on that line). PLUS, you know that he didn't accidentally hit an F# because if you listen close enough, you can usually tell exactly which notes were tampered with due the unnatural sound of pitch correction, and I can hear it on these specific notes.
Those two things combined make me absolutely sure.
However, there are also examples of what you're talking about too, where he would hit something not quite on any note, so they would find one near by. I personally don't ever think that sounds good, but that's just personal preference. As opposed to the thing I am talking about in this thread, which is purely objective.
You can bring this into the main thread for the release given you can actually provide some sort of evidence for your underlying claim that there is pitch correction going on.
The evidence of the statement I am making: written right up there^.
The evidence that there's pitch correction (you've got to be kidding me): Listen to any high vocal part on the DVD for 10 seconds. If you don't hear pitch correction, you don't know what pitch correction sounds like. That's not an insult, I'm not calling anyone stupid for not knowing what pitch correction sounds like! But if you don't hear it here, you are clearly unaware.
Pitch correction- listening school, for those who are curious
If you want to know what it sounds like when it isn't done smoothly, listen to Another Day on the Happy Holidays release. Notice how you'll hear every word snap from one pitch to another without ever sliding between them, unlike any other song on that release. This even applies to the end a word like "here" in that song where a singer might naturally say "heeeree-aaahh", and with pitch correction, you'll notice that the "uuh" snaps to pitches in the scale as well, rather than just naturally sliding down atonally. You also know for a fact that that is pitch corrected because there was a recording of that song from that very night posted on youtube and shared on this website months before that was ever released officially.
Now, apply that same concept and listening exercise to this DVD, and you'll hear the same thing, just done much more carefully and smoothly, as it is generally not applied to the "uuh"s at the end of words, and it is done manually so that there is some sliding time between the notes. However, it is still there throughout the course of each word. You can also listen to every other recording of Trial of Tears from this tour and notice how you will not find one single recording where James hits a C#5 on all four "eyes", "op","op", and "man", if any at all. However his mouth clearly matches what you are hearing on this DVD at this section, so you can know it was tuned, and not overdubbed (re-recorded).
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TheAtliator.......seriously? I mean....I get that you and a bunch of other guys here 'know' your stuff when it comes to the audio side of music and all but c'mon....this is a FANTASTIC release...the band is jammin' all as one...every member is on there game....it's an INCREDIBLE live concert. It's a bummer some of you guys who love to tell the rest of us how horrible it is will never enjoy it.
I originally popped in to say as I sit here and watch it MM is owning the AWAKE songs and the AWAKE songs in general sound unreal....such a great concert. These guys put it all on the line that night and it shows big time.
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Dear God, you'll never enjoy life if you nitpick like this. It reads like the Unibomber's manifesto.
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He said that he actually loved the release, so he enjoyed it just like you guys did - I'm not versed in that kind of stuff my ears are bad, but he might be right for all I know. I appreciated the lengthy post on it personally.
And yes the release was rocking :metal
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^^^^EXACTLY WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO POST THIS HERE
Watching this release was the highlight of my week!! It was one of the greatest things I've ever witnessed, and the only reason I didn't come here immediately and write a whole review of everything that I found so indescribably awesome, was because of just that!! It was practically indescribable and there is WAY too freaking much to mention.
Mangini was freaking amazing here, TSF totally came to life, JMX seriously shined here like never before, the mix was even damn good, and I'm SO UNBELIEVABLY happy with the setlist. Awake is one of the closest and dearest albums to me and these performances and the quality of this video and the editing is all absolutely phenomenal. WAY too many good things to over right now. In fact, I'm having a Blu-Ray watching party this weekend at my house for this, and I was going to wait but this time I decided to splurge and watch it ahead of time for a few reasons, partially because of how excited I am.
James also seriously shined on this and I enjoy these performances to death. The added melodies were so incredibly evocative and beautiful. I SWEAR I'LL TRYYYYYY HE HEAAA HAEEA HHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYy
I just cared about it so much that I wanted to make a serious point about the one and only flaw (and it's not the first time I've seen it). I seriously cared to bring this to people's attention, because it's not just an opinion. It's a serious production flaw that is the worst detraction from one of the greatest live releases of all time.
edit: the arrows are pointing to gmillerdrake's and kingshmegland's posts, not Ravenfoul :lol
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I have listened to the mp3 and the HD Tracks versions. HD Tracks is miles away in quality from the mp3. It's a good option for somebody like me who do not have access to buying the audio CD.
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Out of curiosity why is every thread on this DVD getting locked and told to be posted here? Do any other releases all get forced to be discussed in only one thread?
Anyway what the Atliator posted is fascinating and now I know why I never enjoy James on DVD.
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So I'm watching this again and couldn't help but laugh at anyone that thinking MM is not exciting to watch.
If anybody honestly thinks that then they probably think the moon landing was fake too.
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So I'm watching this again and couldn't help but laugh at anyone that thinking MM is not exciting to watch.
If anybody honestly thinks that then they probably think the moon landing was fake too.
The face he makes when he hits the bells(?) during enigma machine is great.
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I agree, I think Mangini is one of the greatest drummers just to watch that I've seen. Actually even better to watch than Portnoy, in my opinion, who is also a total blast to watch (and I'm seeing Flying Colors tomorrow :metal).
He kept doing these really great fills in Shattered Fortress just one after another, that was a definite highlight for me.
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What the fuck is wrong with James on this BD? He sounds amazing.
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He is being pitch corrected to the wrong pitches in a few essential moments. That is all. Otherwise he sounds awesome.
Are these places where he should be pitch corrected in the first place?? Certain cases are notes where he shouldn't be pitch corrected at all in the first place because he was dead on, and then in certain other cases there are places where he wasn't perfect (and it's up to your personal preference whether you think they should fix it and make it perfect for the DVD) but in attempt to correct it, they actually tuned him to the wrong note.
If it's still not clear-
James sang some perfect notes --- they were changed to in-tune wrong notes (such as an in-tune F# when it should have been an F)
James sang some messy notes --- they were changed to in-tune wrong notes
^These two things happened several times during the DVD, and I made a list when someone asked.
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I based my comment entirely on The Mirror and Lie (because, yes, I primarily care about the Awake material). I'm lazy, so please point me to the list.
P.S.: James sounds even more perfect when his voice is coming out JP's mouth. I guess that beats coming IN JP's mouth... Maybe not. Nevermind.
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He is being pitch corrected to the wrong pitches in a few essential moments. That is all. Otherwise he sounds awesome.
Are these places where he should be pitch corrected in the first place?? Certain cases are notes where he shouldn't be pitch corrected at all in the first place because he was dead on, and then in certain other cases there are places where he wasn't perfect (and it's up to your personal preference whether you think they should fix it and make it perfect for the DVD) but in attempt to correct it, they actually tuned him to the wrong note.
If it's still not clear-
James sang some perfect notes --- they were changed to in-tune wrong notes (such as an in-tune F# when it should have been an F)
James sang some messy notes --- they were changed to in-tune wrong notes
^These two things happened several times during the DVD, and I made a list when someone asked.
Where's the list Atliator? It sounds like a rookie mistake to make for such a high profile band.
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I agree, I think Mangini is one of the greatest drummers just to watch that I've seen. Actually even better to watch than Portnoy, in my opinion, who is also a total blast to watch (and I'm seeing Flying Colors tomorrow :metal).
He kept doing these really great fills in Shattered Fortress just one after another, that was a definite highlight for me.
I think some of his fills did not work out well in some parts of Trial of Tears. The Shattered Fortress and Scarred, on the other hand, are near perfection. I love that snare drum fill in Scarred (during "Do you feel...").
When MM did the off-time signature fill at the end of Finally Free, I smiled. MM trying to make his own a song that has been marked as one of MP's finest drum performances.
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
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:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
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Finished the second set....just a remarkable performance all around. What a great DVD.....this one may have just surpassed Budakon for me....
TheAtliator......I apologize if I came off to you rough a page or so ago....I know you were pointing out some things and I wasn't trying to be an :censored I just think with the way this performance went down with all of them just at the top of their game what's the big deal if James misses a note here or there.....they all actually missed a note here or there but it really didn't matter because they knocked this one out of the park. I guess by the time I read your post it was after reading a multitude of posts nit picking this DVD to death when if nit picking is what you're down for then it's probably best you never buy another DVD or CD...ever because they all are going to have something to nit pick.
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
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:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
Pretty awesome for a patchwork song supposedly made out of leftovers from the Systematic Chaos sessions. LOL
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I got my DVD in one piece, today. I shall listen to it, tomorrow. If not, Friday guarantee.
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
:|
:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
Pretty awesome for a patchwork song supposedly made out of leftovers from the Systematic Chaos sessions. LOL
What? :huh:
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Yes IT was most definitely :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :metal :metal :metal :tup :'( :'( :corn :heart :heart :hefdaddy
Where's the list Atliator? It sounds like a rookie mistake to make for such a high profile band.
About 19 posts up. It's on the last page in a gigantic post of mine. And yes, yes it is, and it's one they've repeatedly made now. It seems that whoever's job it was this time around was not familiar enough with the melodies of these songs to know what the notes were supposed to be. As opposed to the last time they made this mistake (CiM) where they pitch-corrected the whole thing automatically rather than manually fixing each individual note, which resulted in several notes being tuned to the wrong pitch.
TheAtliator......I apologize if I came off to you rough a page or so ago....I know you were pointing out some things and I wasn't trying to be an :censored I just think with the way this performance went down with all of them just at the top of their game what's the big deal if James misses a note here or there.....they all actually missed a note here or there but it really didn't matter because they knocked this one out of the park. I guess by the time I read your post it was after reading a multitude of posts nit picking this DVD to death when if nit picking is what you're down for then it's probably best you never buy another DVD or CD...ever because they all are going to have something to nit pick.
No, I totally get it. I wouldn't usually post something so negative sounding about something that I loved to death, without of course posting that I loved it to death first, so your response did kind of make sense. But I am the last person to complain about mistakes done by JLB, I have the opposite problem- I hate when they try to fix it up- especially when they do a bad job at it. Most definitely a knockout performance by everyone, my only nitpick is a production flaw.
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
:|
:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
Pretty awesome for a patchwork song supposedly made out of leftovers from the Systematic Chaos sessions. LOL
So that's why that song leaves me colder than a Romanov down a mineshaft...
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
:|
:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
Pretty awesome for a patchwork song supposedly made out of leftovers from the Systematic Chaos sessions. LOL
What? :huh:
You should read discussion threads involving IT. That one always pops up. :lol
IT is the most epic live performance of DT on record. With the orchestra and choir, the artistic vision of the band for this song has been realized.
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Mangini seems to be a lot more comfortable with the band, than in Luna Park. Minor things aside, i really like this live show!
Love that they did so many Awake songs, (Scarred and Lifting Shadows). :tup
Illumination Theory opened up in a whole new way with this release, and rest of the DT12 songs that i didn't care that much (Looking glass, Along for the ride) also sounded better.
Great release but i still prefer Live Scenes, Budokan and Score over this.
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I got chills when they played the SFAM encore with the orchestra and the choir. Makes me think about what they could do with the entire SFAM album done that way.
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@TheAtilator: Thank you for your comprehensive list.
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Can somebody, who bouth the Bluray in the US, check the region of the disc? If it's region free, I will order it from the US, as Amazon has it for Usd. 14,88 which is unbelievable compared to the prices I see in the Netherlands (incl. shipping it is Usd. 10 cheaper from the US, I can wait a few days for this difference)
On Amazon.com it says "Region B/2" which is strange, as it is an American store, and Region B/2 is the european region for Bluray.
Thanks for the assistance.
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@me7: Any time! lol
@suedje- I got mine from amazon and I'm in the US. I might be able to if you tell me how to check the region?
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Atilator, have you checked on the bootleg to see how those notes were originally sung?
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Ive seen DT in Grand Prairie Texas several times over the last few years when they come thru ..i thought to myself when i saw them play SDOIT and other incredible songs that first time years back..im watching a machine perform at maximum peak level..This performance reminds me of that night..THE DT MACHINE IN HIGH GEAR..INCREDIBLE
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@me7: Any time! lol
@suedje- I got mine from amazon and I'm in the US. I might be able to if you tell me how to check the region?
Can you please check if it is mentioned on the package?
Or if you have a Bluray drive in your computer, it can be checked on the computer? (I know this can be done with dvd's, I'm not sure about Bluray discs)
Thanks
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Wow, I'm surprised they went through so much trouble with correcting some of LaBrie's notes, I guess they learned their lesson from Live at Budokan. :lol I mean, that kind of stuff is always for better or worse, you never know how it's gonna work out, and it's a shame if some of the notes were tuned wrong...
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--RIDICULOUS- "Lifting Shadows off a Dream" (the first chorus): "Dream" was tuned to A4 instead of F#4. NOT EVEN CLOSE. He does this F# with his signature breathy wide vibrato, which is supposed to give it the effect of sliding to a higher note, so whoever did this crap job misinterpreted and tuned it to the 5th of the chord rather than the 3rd. It's not musically wrong, just not what he sang, or what is actually in the song.
I actually noticed this was different as he did the same on one of the gigs I went to. He's just singing it differently. I think shifting the note up that far would be really obvious and robotic.
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I noticed the pitch correction. It wasn't a big deal, but I noticed it.
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Dear God, you'll never enjoy life if you nitpick like this. It reads like the Unibomber's manifesto.
:lol
Actually, it was an interesting read. It's incredible that one can pick up on that. I sure as hell couldn't.
I've listened to a couple comparisons from the boot, and it's obviously embellished. That that's fine. Every live release is. This is still an incredible performance.
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Can somebody, who bouth the Bluray in the US, check the region of the disc? If it's region free, I will order it from the US, as Amazon has it for Usd. 14,88 which is unbelievable compared to the prices I see in the Netherlands (incl. shipping it is Usd. 10 cheaper from the US, I can wait a few days for this difference)
On Amazon.com it says "Region B/2" which is strange, as it is an American store, and Region B/2 is the european region for Bluray.
Thanks for the assistance.
Maybe I am wrong but I thought there were no regions on blu-rays and that is just a DVD thing? I know for my Epica blu-ray I bought it from amazon.uk because it was cheaper and it plays fine for me in the USA.
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
:|
:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
Pretty awesome for a patchwork song supposedly made out of leftovers from the Systematic Chaos sessions. LOL
I'm assuming this is a joke ? ? ?
As for the CD, just like when I saw them live I can't take my eyes of Mangini. Portnoy was entertaining in his own way too but I don't get the group that think Mangini isn't just as entertaining in his own way. Not to mention a heck of a player.
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Illumination Theory on the Blu Ray may just be the most awesome thing I have ever seen performed live! The orchestra section moved me to tears. Yup I'm a geek.
In any event, this track alone made this purchase worthwhile.
I am making a feast for friends on Saturday night and having a viewing party!
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I am making a feast for friends on Saturday night and having a viewing party!
That sounds awesome!! :metal
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Dear God, you'll never enjoy life if you nitpick like this. It reads like the Unibomber's manifesto.
:lol
Actually, it was an interesting read. It's incredible that one can pick up on that. I sure as hell couldn't.
I've listened to a couple comparisons from the boot, and it's obviously embellished. That that's fine. Every live release is. This is still an incredible performance.
I heard a few but I guess I'm a realist. Those pure recordings are a thing of the past unless you listen to boots.
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I love the way James sounds on this and I'm so happy for him. He's caught a lot of grief over the years, but he really shines here.
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:dunno: I know what pitch correction sounds like and I can't hear anything that's GLARINGLY OBVIOUS - so it doesn't detract for me.
It wouldn't anyway. It's a given nowadays that it goes on. So just accept it and enjoy the show.
Edit - i just checked out the apparently obvious correction 2:00 into strange Deja Vu when he sings " to-night". How do we know he didn't just sing it that way ?
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Mangini's face in the middle of the line "... self-righteous hate" during The Shattered Fortress :lol
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:dunno: I know what pitch correction sounds like and I can't hear anything that's GLARINGLY OBVIOUS - so it doesn't detract for me.
It wouldn't anyway. It's a given nowadays that it goes on. So just accept it and enjoy the show.
Edit - i just checked out the apparently obvious correction 2:00 into strange Deja Vu when he sings " to-night". How do we know he didn't just sing it that way ?
That's what I was saying before, I think most of those examples are just JLB singing the lines differently. If you autotune a note more than a step or so it sounds very unnatural and robotic and I can't hear anything like that going on.
I'm not denying he has been fixed here and there, he definitely has (and was on the Sonisphere videos), but I don't think he's been tuned to the "wrong notes".
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I love the way James sounds on this and I'm so happy for him. He's caught a lot of grief over the years, but he really shines here.
He does sound great! To me he is always a true pro and I always think he gives a great effort. Maybe because I have sang for nearly 30 years I understand how hard it is to always be at optimum performance level every time out. Unlike playing an instrument, the human voice is inconsistent and doing what he does every night is far from easy. People need to recognize that a little more, I think.
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Seen the whole thing now, utterly fantastic. JLB and MM own this. And sorry to look this far ahead, but it is shaping up to be a great group of songs on the next DVD if JP keeps putting songs on the setlist that don't have a previous proper non-bootleg DVD version:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Misunderstood
A Nightmare to Remember (sans RROOOAAARRRR)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Speaking of bootlegs, JP had an awesome and prefect rhythm tone on WDADRU. If only that tone had been present on BTFW . . .
We're kind of spoiled, but imagine if you had never seen JP or MM perform before and this was your first time . . . you could end up being a drooling idiot in a straight-jacket :lol.
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Seen the whole thing now, utterly fantastic. JLB and MM own this. And sorry to look this far ahead, but it is shaping up to be a great group of songs on the next DVD if JP keeps putting songs on the setlist that don't have a previous proper non-bootleg DVD version:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Misunderstood
A Nightmare to Remember (sans RROOOAAARRRR)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Speaking of bootlegs, JP had an awesome and prefect rhythm tone on WDADRU. If only that tone had been present on BTFW . . .
We're kind of spoiled, but imagine if you had never seen JP or MM perform before and this was your first time . . . you could end up being a drooling idiot in a straight-jacket :lol.
SDOIT disc 1 and BC&SL essentially. Id like it a lot though.
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I haven´t got my hands on the release just yet, but for those of you on the same situation, some of the songs are already on Grooveshark. JLB :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Seen the whole thing now, utterly fantastic. JLB and MM own this. And sorry to look this far ahead, but it is shaping up to be a great group of songs on the next DVD if JP keeps putting songs on the setlist that don't have a previous proper non-bootleg DVD version:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Misunderstood
A Nightmare to Remember (sans RROOOAAARRRR)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Speaking of bootlegs, JP had an awesome and prefect rhythm tone on WDADRU. If only that tone had been present on BTFW . . .
We're kind of spoiled, but imagine if you had never seen JP or MM perform before and this was your first time . . . you could end up being a drooling idiot in a straight-jacket :lol.
Wasn't Blind Faith on Chaos in Motion?
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Seen the whole thing now, utterly fantastic. JLB and MM own this. And sorry to look this far ahead, but it is shaping up to be a great group of songs on the next DVD if JP keeps putting songs on the setlist that don't have a previous proper non-bootleg DVD version:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Misunderstood
A Nightmare to Remember (sans RROOOAAARRRR)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Speaking of bootlegs, JP had an awesome and prefect rhythm tone on WDADRU. If only that tone had been present on BTFW . . .
We're kind of spoiled, but imagine if you had never seen JP or MM perform before and this was your first time . . . you could end up being a drooling idiot in a straight-jacket :lol.
Wasn't Blind Faith on Chaos in Motion?
As long as JLB chooses to not acknowledge the existence of Chaos in Motion, we shouldn't either. :D
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Can somebody, who bouth the Bluray in the US, check the region of the disc? If it's region free, I will order it from the US, as Amazon has it for Usd. 14,88 which is unbelievable compared to the prices I see in the Netherlands (incl. shipping it is Usd. 10 cheaper from the US, I can wait a few days for this difference)
On Amazon.com it says "Region B/2" which is strange, as it is an American store, and Region B/2 is the european region for Bluray.
Thanks for the assistance.
Maybe I am wrong but I thought there were no regions on blu-rays and that is just a DVD thing? I know for my Epica blu-ray I bought it from amazon.uk because it was cheaper and it plays fine for me in the USA.
There are also reqions for Bluray. But most music dvds and bluray's are region free, unlike movie dvd's and bluray's.
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Seen the whole thing now, utterly fantastic. JLB and MM own this. And sorry to look this far ahead, but it is shaping up to be a great group of songs on the next DVD if JP keeps putting songs on the setlist that don't have a previous proper non-bootleg DVD version:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Misunderstood
A Nightmare to Remember (sans RROOOAAARRRR)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Speaking of bootlegs, JP had an awesome and prefect rhythm tone on WDADRU. If only that tone had been present on BTFW . . .
We're kind of spoiled, but imagine if you had never seen JP or MM perform before and this was your first time . . . you could end up being a drooling idiot in a straight-jacket :lol.
Wasn't Blind Faith on Chaos in Motion?
As long as JLB chooses to not acknowledge the existence of Chaos in Motion, we shouldn't either. :D
Anything on CiM doesnt count. The quality of that is essentially the same as an official bootleg.
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I went to Walmart, Best Buy, and a local place - All of which didn't have the Bluray in stock!
Twas no good.
I went on Amazon and ordered Bluray versions of not just Breaking the Fourth Wall, but also En Vivo (Maiden's latest live release) and that new BTBAM live release.
So much new concert stuffsss :D
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
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:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
Pretty awesome for a patchwork song supposedly made out of leftovers from the Systematic Chaos sessions. LOL
What? :huh:
You should read discussion threads involving IT. That one always pops up. :lol
Well, I in fact do read threads on IT (and just about everythign else on this board), and I don't remember that ever coming up. And if it did come up once or twice, I most likely ignored it since it is so obviously incorrect, given that we know parts of it were written on the ADTOE tour, and the rest was written later, largely as an outgrowth of those original parts.
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I like how JP turned up the rock during the refrain of "It's rainin', rainin'" toward the end of LTL. After hearing this song so many times over the years the usual way it was a cool moment to have him 'chug' that guitar part. I think it sets up Enigma Machine better too.
Things like that are the best reason to have live recordings.
:tup
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@suedje- I don't see anything about region on the package or the disc, and I don't know where I'd find it on the computer, but I didn't see anything about it where I looked. Don't know if that helps much :-\
@Wasteland- no, this time I stayed away from boots of the actual gig. Only other nights.
I actually noticed this was different as he did the same on one of the gigs I went to. He's just singing it differently. I think shifting the note up that far would be really obvious and robotic.
Well, it's totally possible I'm wrong about one in that whole list. I've just never heard it done that way, but it could be, there's nothing wrong with that note.
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@Atilator: I can confirm he actually sang the weird note in the first LSOAD chorus. Wierd and beautiful, to me! I love when he changes the melodies slightly according on his present mood!
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
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:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
Pretty awesome for a patchwork song supposedly made out of leftovers from the Systematic Chaos sessions. LOL
What? :huh:
You should read discussion threads involving IT. That one always pops up. :lol
Well, I in fact do read threads on IT (and just about everythign else on this board), and I don't remember that ever coming up. And if it did come up once or twice, I most likely ignored it since it is so obviously incorrect, given that we know parts of it were written on the ADTOE tour, and the rest was written later, largely as an outgrowth of those original parts.
:lol
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@Atilator: I can confirm he actually sang the weird note in the first LSOAD chorus. Wierd and beautiful, to me! I love when he changes the melodies slightly according on his present mood!
Well ok then! In that case I take back that one example and say "ooh, how interesting James hit a different note for the falsetto 'dream' in LSoaD- COOL!" :lol
Check for some of the other ones I mentioned if you want.
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@suedje- I don't see anything about region on the package or the disc, and I don't know where I'd find it on the computer, but I didn't see anything about it where I looked. Don't know if that helps
Thanks for trying, I keep on searching
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"How the hell can you dance to The Mirror?!" ;D ;D ;D
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"How the hell can you dance to The Mirror?!" ;D ;D ;D
Highlight of the entire album
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James changes a few things here and there in The Enemy Inside, and it sounds freakin´ awesome!!!!
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--RIDICULOUS- "Lifting Shadows off a Dream" (the first chorus): "Dream" was tuned to A4 instead of F#4. NOT EVEN CLOSE. He does this F# with his signature breathy wide vibrato, which is supposed to give it the effect of sliding to a higher note, so whoever did this crap job misinterpreted and tuned it to the 5th of the chord rather than the 3rd. It's not musically wrong, just not what he sang, or what is actually in the song.
I actually noticed this was different as he did the same on one of the gigs I went to. He's just singing it differently. I think shifting the note up that far would be really obvious and robotic.
Definitely different than the bootleg. It sounds pretty funny the way they "corrected" it, whereas the bootleg sounds normal. They didn't need to mess with it at all, but I'm no expert.
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BTW, Rudess going all 'metal' on his keyboard at the end of The Mirror (right after JLB's Jibba-Jabba) is my favorite JR moment in a long time.
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JR was amazing in this DVD. I enjoyed his keyboard solos a lot.
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That's because the mix actually lets you hear him. :lol
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The single point where I don´t like Jordan in this release is when he speeds up the solo of Scarred. Kevin Moore´s take on it was much more inspired and had a gazillion less notes. Aside from that, he´s great!
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There are some moments in the album where JR is playing the exact same thing as the strings, and all I can think is "You really don't have to do that, Jordan." Sometimes the keyboards drown out the strings when they're playing the exact same thing. I'd rather have the real instruments, tbh, so that was a very small negative for me.
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Seen the whole thing now, utterly fantastic. JLB and MM own this. And sorry to look this far ahead, but it is shaping up to be a great group of songs on the next DVD if JP keeps putting songs on the setlist that don't have a previous proper non-bootleg DVD version:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Misunderstood
A Nightmare to Remember (sans RROOOAAARRRR)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Oh man, any live DVD containing those songs would be incredible.
Huge fan of every last one of them.
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Hearing the live version, I can say that the inclusion of The Shattered Fortress in the setlist is more than justified. I gained new respect for the song, and do not skip it anymore when it comes on my mp3 player...
On a side note, the timing of this release couldn´t be MORE perfect for me: they are playing in Rio this Sunday, and I´ll catch them once again on this tour!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
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The band sounds fantastic as usual... but I can't hear the choir/orchestra ???
I was hoping for something along the lines of Metallica's "S&M" where the orchestra really shines.
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I zipped through this last night and thought it was pretty great. The second set and encore are both utterly fantastic, for the most part. I got chills watching the orchestra play the middle section of Illumination Theory. The performance of that entire song was pretty much amazing.
I was a little disappointed by how non-enthusiastic the crowd looked at times, and as usual, Rudess had to wank up some sections that didn't need it (like that noise at the end of The Mirror...ugh), but those are minor quibbles.
While I have no doubt that some "work" was done on JLB's vocals :lol, overall he sounded very good. I always go in knowing that his voice is gonna be kind of hit or miss for me, but there were few instances that bugged me. Good to see he's doing what he can to sound good live despite his advancing age.
Overall, it gets :tup :tup from me. :metal
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I use to not care too much for songs like The Shattered Fortress, Along for the Ride and Enigma Machine but they slay on this DVD :metal
The second verse for Along for the Ride sounds awesome.
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Atilator, have you checked on the bootleg to see how those notes were originally sung?
Someday sooooon I'll listen to one in one ear and the other in the other to hear discrepancies.
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Just listened to a few of the songs on the Blu-Ray, which came in today and is it just me, or is this the best sounding DT live album ever, in terms of the mix? I mean, everything just pops so perfectly. Haven't listened to the orchestral songs yet, but the band itself sounds fantastic. More than makes up for the mix of LALP, I'd say. Pure ear candy.
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Just listened to a few of the songs on the Blu-Ray, which came in today and is it just me, or is this the best sounding DT live album ever, in terms of the mix? I mean, everything just pops so perfectly. Haven't listened to the orchestral songs yet, but the band itself sounds fantastic. More than makes up for the mix of LALP, I'd say. Pure ear candy.
Doesn't even sound close to that for me. I would say it's one of the worst sounding, but nothing is as bad as Luna Park.
I still think the best sounding Budokan.
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Just listened to a few of the songs on the Blu-Ray, which came in today and is it just me, or is this the best sounding DT live album ever, in terms of the mix? I mean, everything just pops so perfectly. Haven't listened to the orchestral songs yet, but the band itself sounds fantastic. More than makes up for the mix of LALP, I'd say. Pure ear candy.
Doesn't even sound close to that for me. I would say it's one of the worst sounding, but nothing is as bad as Luna Park.
I still think the best sounding Budokan.
Well, on my sound system it sounds amazing.
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It sounds really good to me but personally, and I don't know if that's how it was mixed or if that has something to do with the tone - but I was not getting a lot of clarity on JP's guitar at times.
Finally finished it today, FF sounded phenomenal as I had hoped. :D
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Well, the instruments are all audible and clear on my end. I think JP's guitar sounds a bit muddy at times too, but that's how I remember it sounding when I was at the concert (not this one specifically, but one few days prior), so I'm pretty sure it's accurate.
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Well, the instruments are all audible and clear on my end. I think JP's guitar sounds a bit muddy at times too, but that's how I remember it sounding when I was at the concert (not this one specifically, but one few days prior), so I'm pretty sure it's accurate.
Right on. What sound system / headphones are you using? I'm just playing it through my JVC RX700 and it sounds good.
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Really well done recording. I walked into Best Buy yesterday, saw the carts with all the new release stuff in the aisles and went straight for them. Found the Blu-ray in 20 seconds :biggrin: (not my first Best-Buy/DT new release rodeo!) Frikken LOVED the Awake and SFAM suite's. Even more than when I saw them on the last tour. Highlights... Mirror/Lie, phenominal. THAT is the sound, power, and passion that got me into DT back after Awake was released. Scarred was spectaular, except for the overlayed crap...I mean...WTF?? It really detracts from the song and is downright annoying.
I've tried over...and over...and over... to get into Illumination Theory, but no, it does absolutely zilch for me. Easily the worst of DT's epics for me. I did enjoy the intermission of the song with the orchestra, very beautiful. TSF....meh. It was good, but I remember it being better for me live at the show. We'll see after more listens. OTBOA was really good! Best version yet. Part of it is because MM is much more pronounced in the mix. Especially his cymbal work...which is just crazy fuck great. One bitch I have is the blu-ray chapter's. It doesn't flow...like after the FAS segment it completely stops for 10 seconds while it "Loads" the next chapter. It does the same after the bad larry show graphics on act 2. Very frikken annoying and sloppy...definite buzz kill.
JM...... once again was so low in the mix. The years I've watched the guy, the millions of notes that I can barely, if even, hear...sigh. Otherwise the mix is pretty decent for a DT project. Enigma Machine kicked fucking balls! Especially the solo, and the entry back into the song was seemless. Overall, it will probably end up in the rankings in the #2 or 3 spot for live DT DVD/Blu'. :metal :metal :metal
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Right on. What sound system / headphones are you using? I'm just playing it through my JVC RX700 and it sounds good.
I have a Panasonic SC-HTB70 2.1 channel sound bar. Nothing too fancy, but sounds pretty great in my room.
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Well, the instruments are all audible and clear on my end. I think JP's guitar sounds a bit muddy at times too, but that's how I remember it sounding when I was at the concert (not this one specifically, but one few days prior), so I'm pretty sure it's accurate.
Biggest offenders are JP and MM for me. JP sounds muddy, nowhere near as awesome as he really did live. MM, same thing. Sounds like cardboard. No depth at all to the drums. I really dislike the guy who has mixed the last few DT releases (Rich Chyki), think he does a very underwhelmign job.
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I just listened to Illumination Theory, admittedly on Youtube, with a bad internet connection.
:omg: :omg:
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:'( :'(
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
So. Fucking. Awesome. There are literally no words to describe the experience I just went through, other than those three.
Pretty awesome for a patchwork song supposedly made out of leftovers from the Systematic Chaos sessions. LOL
What? :huh:
You should read discussion threads involving IT. That one always pops up. :lol
Well, I in fact do read threads on IT (and just about everythign else on this board), and I don't remember that ever coming up. And if it did come up once or twice, I most likely ignored it since it is so obviously incorrect, given that we know parts of it were written on the ADTOE tour, and the rest was written later, largely as an outgrowth of those original parts.
:lol
I should have used the sarcasm font. :lol I think I am one of the biggest IT fans here, even posting that lengthy analysis about IT's mirror structure and such.
On another topic, I don't get how some people can not hear Myung's bass. He sounds pretty audible to me. I just had my fifth listen and I tried to follow JM in the fourth round. I heard him in all the songs. He's really audible especially if you are familiar with his parts from the studio versions of the songs. I find it pretty funny to read comments saying they have not heard JM at all in this recording. I mean, you did not hear anything in the Breaking All Illusions stanzas? You did not hear the rhythm section in the Trial of Tears solos? Come on.
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Seen the whole thing now, utterly fantastic. JLB and MM own this. And sorry to look this far ahead, but it is shaping up to be a great group of songs on the next DVD if JP keeps putting songs on the setlist that don't have a previous proper non-bootleg DVD version:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Misunderstood
A Nightmare to Remember (sans RROOOAAARRRR)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Oh man, any live DVD containing those songs would be incredible.
Huge fan of every last one of them.
Agreed, I it'd be a near perfect setlist actually, wow. Too bad lots of people would complain that it it was a bit one sided and didn't explore enough of their albums. But personally I'd be stoked if a bunch of those songs were on the next tour. :biggrin:
The band sounds fantastic as usual... but I can't hear the choir/orchestra ???
I was hoping for something along the lines of Metallica's "S&M" where the orchestra really shines.
In fairness, the orchestra stood out a lot on S&M, mostly because it had a lot of treble range sounds coming through which isn't something that's necesarily very common with Metallica, so the orchestra shined through the music. With DT they're still competing with Jordan, and half the stuff we hear from Jordan can easily be confused with the orchestra and vice versa.
Edit: So a package just arrived in the mail... I knew what it would be! Just watched The Enemy Inside and The Shattered Fortress, very very rockin'. :metal
Nearly flawless version of The Enemy Inside i thought and great version that really breathes life into The Shattered Fortress, I'm just disappointed that I can't watch it all right now cause I gotta go to work! I also just ripped the CD to put on my phone and ipod and had a skim through some songs. Listened to some bits of The Mirror and Finally Free. Which I shouldn't be doing, I wanted to experience it all on the blu-ray first time but I'm very tempted to listen to some of the audio at work while I'm out. :lol
This can't be right but the CDs almost sound better than the HD track previews I heard the other day, but that was probably the terrible headset I was using where the compressed sound comes out more clearly.
Illumination Theory is off bounds for me, I'm not gonna listen to that one until I'm up to it on the blu-ray. :xbones Anyway, I expect to have seen it by the end of the day! But man I bet work's gonna go slow...
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I am listening at work right now. :D Do it! LOL!
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All right, got the time to watch it and I shall watch it now.
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All right, on the intro of Trial of Tears. So far, so good. Enjoying it so far. Band's playing well. A bit of a problem in the Luna Park set is when I couldn't hear the crowd when call for, at times, but the crowd is very audible in this Boston DVD so that's another positive.
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Since when did they get new Metropolis concept footage? It looks a lot better than the stuff from LSNY.
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What's your favorite JLB attempt to engage the audience in this album?
Mine is when he tried to stretch a joke but failed, at the end of Lie:
(Referring to SFAM) "John Petrucci was 15 years old when he recorded that. (Crowd laughs, joke successful! But then tries to stretch the joke) I don't know what I was at that point...(realizes he's going nowhere)..but anyways..." :rollin
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Yes! Yes! Yes!.
(https://i.imgur.com/flRWu.gif)
I enjoyed this DVD a lot better than Luna Park and Score. My arm is so worn out from all of the air-guitaring and other crowd gestures, etc. Great stuff. Nothing that needs to be said that hasn't already been said before.
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How incredible is that 7 song run from Breaking All Illusions through Illumination Theory? For someone who loves modern DT epics and Awake, well it's just pretty hard to beat :biggrin:
Damn this Bluray is phenomenal :tup
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That's pretty much my most played portion as well. :D
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Better than Luna Park in almost every regard.
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Well Im waiting for my copy it is actually in the friggen post office five minutes from my house why fedex could not have delivered it is beyond me , anyway I was at this show and was 4 rows back from JP ,, I have been to a lot of DT shows this was one of my favorites for sure but Never been in the crowd of a recorded released show I am very excited to finally get this !
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Well, the instruments are all audible and clear on my end. I think JP's guitar sounds a bit muddy at times too, but that's how I remember it sounding when I was at the concert (not this one specifically, but one few days prior), so I'm pretty sure it's accurate.
Biggest offenders are JP and MM for me. JP sounds muddy, nowhere near as awesome as he really did live. MM, same thing. Sounds like cardboard. No depth at all to the drums. I really dislike the guy who has mixed the last few DT releases (Rich Chyki), think he does a very underwhelmign job.
Agree for JP, but MM? Sorry, mate, we're not hearing the same thing.
B.Lee
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I just realized that it's pretty unique for a DT live album/DVD not to have Images & Words represented with a track. But this one broke that wall.
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I just realized that it's pretty unique for a DT live album/DVD not to have Images & Words represented with a track. But this one broke that wall.
Let's hope they repair the wall next time. :biggrin:
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I just realized that it's pretty unique for a DT live album/DVD not to have Images & Words represented with a track. But this one broke that wall.
Let's hope they repair the wall next time. :biggrin:
With SDOIT style bricks
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I just realized that it's pretty unique for a DT live album/DVD not to have Images & Words represented with a track. But this one broke that wall.
Instead they celebrated Awake - one of their worst albums :neverusethis:
Seriously though - after the opening three songs - it loses me entirely.
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I picked up my copy of the DVD today, will probably watch it tomorrow.
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I just realized that it's pretty unique for a DT live album/DVD not to have Images & Words represented with a track. But this one broke that wall.
And it's about time they broke that wall.
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I just realized that it's pretty unique for a DT live album/DVD not to have Images & Words represented with a track. But this one broke that wall.
Let's hope they repair the wall next time. :biggrin:
With SDOIT style bricks
YES DANGIT
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I've seen them on two tours and they ignored Images & Words (my favourite DT album) both times :getoffmylawn:
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New idea for Live DVD Boxset.
12 date tour. Play each of the studio albums in full each date. Two albums per night. Two dates for each "pair" to get the best performances.
Release as 6 - DVD Box set.
:cool:
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Which "night" would you go to ?
1. When Dream & Day Unite AND Images and Words
2. Awake & Falling into Infinity
3. Scenes From A Memory & Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence ( probably my pick )
4. Train Of Thought & Octavarium ( Or this )
5. Systematic Chaos & Black Clouds & Silver Linings ( lulz Nobody Applied rororo )
6. A Dramatic Turn Of Events & DT12.
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As much as I love Images, I'd have to choose SFAM/SDOIT. WDADU in its entirety would be a chore :lol
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Probably TOT + 8VM. SFAM option is tempting, but as I tend to skip SDOIT the song on Score I definitely don't want to see it performed live.
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So, what's wrong with the fourth wall? What did it ever do to Dream Theater?
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Not night 1 because of WDADU.
Not night 2 because of FII.
Not night 4 because of 8VM (not the title track but the songs before it).
Not night 5 because of SC.
Not night 6 because of DT12 (track from Enigma Machine to Surrender to Reason in a row are too monotonous).
I'm surprised how easy it is for me to pick night 3.
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Way to derail the thread with an off topic.
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So i've watched almost the entire blu ray. I only havent watched IT because I want to save the best for last. My work schedule doesnt leave much time for me to sit back for a 3 hour concert so Ive been watching in pieces each night. I love it so far. My initial thoughts are it is up there with Budokan as my favorite. I like the set better than Score and its got way better picture being on blu ray and the sound is probably just as good as Score or Budokan and significantly better than LaLP. Im giving Budokan the slight edge at the moment because of all the extras of that concert (like the extended songs and instrumedley) but like I said, I havent even watched the best part yet so maybe BtFW could be my favorite in the end.
Oh, and MM is unbelievable. I knew this from seeing DT 3 times on this tour, but his work is captured very well on this and I am constantly floored by how awesome his playing is.
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1. When Dream & Day Unite AND Images and Words
2. Awake & Falling into Infinity
3. Scenes From A Memory & Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence ( probably my pick )
4. Train Of Thought & Octavarium ( Or this )
5. Systematic Chaos & Black Clouds & Silver Linings ( lulz Nobody Applied rororo )
6. A Dramatic Turn Of Events & DT12.
I'm a very recent fan, so I would go with #6. I think #3 though would be my pick if I was an older fan.
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I don't know if you guys mentioned it before in this thread (40 pages). I'm listening to the CD (haven't had time to sit a watch the dvd) and It seams like in Scared at the 5:14 mark there is a cut/patch in the audio.. it sounds weird. I will have to check it on the dvd.
btw.. in the CD the mixing is bad, specially the crowd, sounds like they recorder it with a microphone in the middle of the crowd. One get used to it while listening to it, but if you listen something else and then go back to the cd then sounds terrible again.
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i watched this yesterday evening and yep.
IT WAS GLORIOUS :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Every aspect of the DVD (except maybe the mix) is top notch: the band is on fire, that was the best performance of Lie I ever heard. Other great moments are Shattered Fortress, Breaking All Illusions, Trial Of Tears and basically all of the second set. Space Dye Vest especially. You can tell how Mangini is not "the new guy" anymore, he was just rocking out, his performance was stellar.
I really enjoyed the camera work, it was both very cinematic and clever - all the solos were shot in a very nice way and I loved the use of the split screen. The mix was OK, not the best though.
I also really liked the addition of the orchestra.
This might be my second favorite, next to Score. Good job :tup
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So, what's wrong with the fourth wall? What did it ever do to Dream Theater?
Petrucci was leaning against it and it broke under the weight of his massive arm.
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I'm really enjoying this release!! The band sounds awesome.
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I'm really enjoying this release!! The band sounds awesome.
JJ, I commented on the Space Dye Vest solo a couple of weeks ago, and it cought your eye. What do you think?
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Is there any downloadable artwork for the CDs?
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Just seen the DVD and visually I think it's the best ever one they have released. Much better editing than before as instead of the picture jerking from one shot to another every 2 seconds which seems to characterise their recent DVD's, the camera stays on the same shot for as long as necessary and we can actually watch a complete solo from one of the guys and enjoy their amazing skills and technique, love the great use of the split screens too. Didn't like the set list on the tour (apart from the stunning second encore of course!) 'cos of all the songs from DT12 and obviously its the same one here but the overall package seems to really lift it up a gear in my eyes and I'm loving the whole thing (apart from the simply dreadful and my least liked DT song ever, The Looking Glass) even The Enigma Machine seems great to me too now!
But doesn't that SFAM encore just make you desperate to see the whole thing performed live again and with an orchestra? They will never match that CD again I.M.O.
This is so much better than that mess of a release that was LALP and has restored my faith and love for the band again that I have had since I first saw them in 1993.
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But doesn't that SFAM encore just make you desperate to see the whole thing performed live again and with an orchestra?
Not particularly, no. First, I don't think an orchestra would really add a lot to the entire album overall. Second, I don't really want to see the entire thing performed. I love LSFNY, and that captured the entire album very well. It is such a long piece to do again in its entirety that it would completely dominate the set list. I wouldn't want to sit through that. I felt that the encore set here was long enough to really give a good representation of the album without it overstaying its welcome. The only thing I might have liked to see done differently if it were entirely up to me is that I would have liked Home instead of TDOE.
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But doesn't that SFAM encore just make you desperate to see the whole thing performed live again and with an orchestra?
Not particularly, no. First, I don't think an orchestra would really add a lot to the entire album overall. Second, I don't really want to see the entire thing performed. I love LSFNY, and that captured the entire album very well. It is such a long piece to do again in its entirety that it would completely dominate the set list. I wouldn't want to sit through that. I felt that the encore set here was long enough to really give a good representation of the album without it overstaying its welcome. The only thing I might have liked to see done differently if it were entirely up to me is that I would have liked Home instead of TDOE.
No way, man. TDOE was incredible on this. The footage of JM and JP at the center front of the stage was incredible. Home would be way too plodding.
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I would have liked Home anything instead of TDOE.
Fixed for me. This does make me want to listen to some Scenes through headphones with the lights out, something I haven't done in a long time.
IT was a low point on DT12 for me, but its presentation here gives me new appreciation for it.
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The quiet section 2 minutes in to Breaking All Illusions is breathtaking, along with the rest of the song.
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But doesn't that SFAM encore just make you desperate to see the whole thing performed live again and with an orchestra?
Not particularly, no. First, I don't think an orchestra would really add a lot to the entire album overall. Second, I don't really want to see the entire thing performed. I love LSFNY, and that captured the entire album very well. It is such a long piece to do again in its entirety that it would completely dominate the set list. I wouldn't want to sit through that. I felt that the encore set here was long enough to really give a good representation of the album without it overstaying its welcome. The only thing I might have liked to see done differently if it were entirely up to me is that I would have liked Home instead of TDOE.
I could understand not wanting to attend a concert where they played all of SFAM vs a normal DT concert, but you wouldnt want a release of SFAM with orchestra and choir say a production similar to Breaking the 4th Wall but of just SFAM? Id eat that right up.
Although, Id really prefer to have Awake done with orchestra and choir over SFAM I think.
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But doesn't that SFAM encore just make you desperate to see the whole thing performed live again and with an orchestra?
Not particularly, no. First, I don't think an orchestra would really add a lot to the entire album overall. Second, I don't really want to see the entire thing performed. I love LSFNY, and that captured the entire album very well. It is such a long piece to do again in its entirety that it would completely dominate the set list. I wouldn't want to sit through that. I felt that the encore set here was long enough to really give a good representation of the album without it overstaying its welcome. The only thing I might have liked to see done differently if it were entirely up to me is that I would have liked Home instead of TDOE.
Guess it all depends on how much you like SFAM really...for me its their greatest ever moment and I would LOVE to see it "dominate" any DT set list again!! especially if it was to the detriment of the DT12 songs!!
As an aside, I thought it was nice/interesting to notice that the girls in the choir were getting into the music far more than the blokes, most of whom just stood there like statues all the time!! :)
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I've seen enough to comment now, might turn into a wall of text, so don't say I didn't warn you. :P
Highlights: (that I can remember atm xD)
- False Awakening intro vid, I dunno if a certain Robert someone is tired of the compliments on this video, but I really have to say that it's really well done, and quite mindblowing to be honest, really takes you on a journey and FAS is really well synched up to the transitions. Great stuff man. ;D
- Along For The Ride had some really cool altered melodies in the second verse and came off as a great live track. Jordans solo was epic as ever. Can hear more subtle cymbal work from Mike. Great version.
- Trial of Tears, The Wasteland, 'nuff said.
- The Mirror, easily one of, if not the best live version of this song. The JLB triggers were pretty badass, (James really started to get into gear around Breaking all Illusions and he kicked ass on the Awake material).
- Lie, I never really liked this track much but everything about this version was somehow surprisingly refreshing. There's some great moments in this song, some that don't even relate to the music exactly, such as the part in the first verse where James goes " But I dunno if I know you", then he pauses and looks like he's pointing at someone in the audience and then says, "yeah, you." There's another moment later in the second verse where it looks like he's trying 'force choke'JP with his hand :laugh:. Also, the Lie solo is flawless, totally mindblowing actually, complete with Mirror reprise and second solo, I have never appreciated this song quite like this. :lol
- Lifting Shadows is amazing. The first chorus where James sings "dream", he goes to an A instead of an F# (I think it's on a D chord, so it's going to the 5th, instead of the major 3rd). It kinda threw me off when I first heard it, but it does actually sound really good.
- Scarred, Love Mike's drumming on this song, this song really fits with JPs current guitar tone. I heard a lot more detail in the instrumentaion than I've ever noticed in this song before, I think John and Mike are the highlights here. But James still kicks some arse. This totally makes the Chaos in Motion version redundant (if it wasn't considered that way already haha). Also, was cool to see the proper outro for the song, as I believe they normally have a different ending on most other live versions of Scarred that I've heard, I was almost surprised to hear them playing the regular outro so tightly.
- Overture, Orchestra sounds fantastic here. Very cool way to do an encore with this Scenes medley, you could almost feel the excitement in the audience when the Metropolis sample kicks in.
- Finally Free, beautiful closer and probably another definitive version of this track.
- Space Dye Vest. Wow, this one couldn't have surprised me more. This version is so much more ALIVE than the studio version. For a song that's arguably my least favourite DT track, I was pleasantly surprised by the whole performance. And that final chorus + guitar solo, what an ending!! That's exactly what this song needed to appeal to me, a big epic heavy finish. I remember admiring Johns guitar solo on the bootleg of the first show they played, and I think it's slightly different here but just as awesome. ;)
- Illumination Theory. I have nothing to say about this other than it's completely and absolutely perfect.
Disappointments:
- On The Backs of Angels, not that it's a bad version, it's not even this songs fault exactly, but I was kinda underwhelmed a bit near the start by the time this came on, I was almost becoming disappointed. And I was comparing to the Luna Park version which I thought was better. I also expected the altered melody in the final chorus as heard in LALP but James didn't go for it which was unfortunate because that simple melody change really made Luna Park version quite awesome (too me).
- Trial of Tears. Yeah, I know, this is in my highlights and my disappointments. I loved the wasteland section but the rest of the song (things like the vocals in the chorus) didn't quite live up to my expectations and I was hoping this might be the definitive version of this track. But there's probably room for this one to grow on me.
- Dance of Eternity, I loose a bit of interest here but it was still a great version. But I also am in the boat that would have liked to see something like Home here.
So yeah, first two songs were great, I felt a bit of a drag for a while and was almost worried when I thought James wasn't on top of his game as much as I thought, but right around BAI after his break, he was on fire. (Great version too btw, didn't comment on it before but it's about equal with Luna Park version imo). Enigma Machine was cool too, not a favourite but it definitely deserves (and almost requires) it's place in the set here. I actually skipped The Looking Glass and Strange Dejavu (shame on me) because I'd seen them and had slightly restrictive time, ended up staying up quite late watching this thing so I'm pretty tired this morning. :mehlin
James was pretty funny too, like the moments in Lie that I mentioned, also he said some stuff about the people dancing during The Mirror, and the comment during Illumination Theory before Surrender Trust and Passion was funny and well timed with the camera angle. It really did look cool though. :tup
I'm bound to watch it again soon and listen to the CDs in my car now to digest it all a bit more. I now understand the comments about the mix sounding weird or funky sometimes, I can't put my finger on it but I get really different sound depending on the device and setup I'm playing it through, so I fiddled around with some sound settings on my stereo for a while before I was comfortable with it, but everything's still sits quite well in mix. Couldn't expect much else though, a truly phenomenal live show and release.
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• First off, BRAVO to Eren for his amazing orchestration and harnessing the talent of his musicians. I noticed that the orchestra is playing every little trick in each song where they appear, especially in Dance of Eternity, which must have required much discipline to achieve. Command performance! I've always felt that Score needed to have a more challenging arrangement, and I'm glad Eren was up to the task. Just wish it was a little more audible in the mix. The orchestra in the BluRay mix sounded more pronounced than the MP3 or CDs, which may be the calibration of my TV.
• I judge the quality of a live DVD by whether or not I can be seen in the audience, and yep, this is a great DVD. I am fifth row and can be seen jumping abound, banging my fist and even rubbing my snoz at one point. I can be spotted in two live DT releases now (Dream and Day Re-Unite being the other instance). Good times!
• I agree that JP’s guitar sound may not surpass the test of time. Compare this to the sound in the DT holiday album, which is crisp and powerful. In some cases, I attribute much of this to the orchestra, which is doubling his guitar parts, giving his tone a sort of “extra reverb.” Nevertheless, I think the mix is still pretty good. The keys, drum and bass sound very clean to me.
• I’m glad they cut out JLB’s awkward stage banter introducing the choir and orchestra. Also glad they didn’t show my poorly drawn sign. I was the only one with a sign at this concert and it certainly was not worthy of being memorialized in a DVD.
• Even though others may detect some manipulation, it still feels like a raw presentation to me. Especially when JP’s solo on Trial of Tears is waaay ahead of the beat.
• Highlights for me include (1) the ending to Shattered Fortress. Mangini is killing it. (2) the opening string accompaniment to Dance; (3) every moment of the choir, especially in Finally Free, (4) the timpani drum in Strange Deja Vu -- nice touch!
• Question: On the opening of Enigma Machine, is the crowd this loud in the bootleg version? I wonder if it was raised in the mix to simulate the sing-along experience. I don’t recall hearing this the night of the show, although I clearly remember the crowd doing this in Riverside, CA, which seemed to get a reaction out of Jordan.
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I can be spotted in two live DT releases now (Dream and Day Re-Unite being the other instance). Good times!
I was sooooo bummed with that LA show for WDADU. I was 2nd row, probably 3 seats left of center, and not once can you see me good.... :lol Where are you at in that one?
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This does not answer your question in the slightest but based on being there and hearing the boot I think that for certain parts (drum solo) they used the cheers from right before The Enemy Inside.
Too much scrutiny, even for DTF?
Alright, here's one: the hypercompression gets so bad at times that occasionally a drum hit makes all the other instruments drop out. It feels like I'm listening to that goddamn song that was always on the radio a couple years ago where the recovery from the bass drum hit is off beat and I get confused. It also reminds me of the shit sound quality on the Neutral Milk Hotel album.
Seriously, what is this audio quality? Even the HDTracks is bad. I'm tempted to isolate the audio channels and attempt a remix with the boot.
Since when did they get new Metropolis concept footage? It looks a lot better than the stuff from LSNY.
Seems brand new this tour. It's funny because the BVD intro video uses LSFNY footage in the animated picture of Nicholas's face worth a thousand words.
I just realized that it's pretty unique for a DT live album/DVD not to have Images & Words represented with a track. But this one broke that wall.
Instead they celebrated Awake - one of their worst albums :neverusethis:
Seriously though - after the opening three songs - it loses me entirely.
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I have watched it through IT... and so far I think it is the best concert available out there.
MM steals the show. He is phenomenal. He makes a drum solo fun to listen to.
JP is perfect but thats to be expected.
JLB is at the top of his game as well.
JM sounds great when you can hear him, but is nonexistant in the mix sometimes.
Great setlist as well. I know you cant have it all, but this show has no song that I dont want to hear. Thats the problem with alot of Rush releases. Technically they are perfect, but their setlist sucks. I dont need to hear roll the bones or earthshine or one little victory etc.
Mangini is a freakin beast... I love it
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I'm really enjoying this release!! The band sounds awesome.
JJ, I commented on the Space Dye Vest solo a couple of weeks ago, and it cought your eye. What do you think?
excellent!!
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Great setlist as well. I know you cant have it all, but this show has no song that I dont want to hear. Thats the problem with alot of Rush releases. Technically they are perfect, but their setlist sucks. I dont need to hear roll the bones or earthshine or one little victory etc.
^^ Rush hadn't played either Roll The Bones, Earthshine, One Little Victory since Snakes and Arrows Live. The 1st two hadn't been played at all after R30.
Also, each DVD set they bring out, the setlists are really different from the other tours ever since they came back.
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I cannot stop watching this concert film, it's amazing! The visuals are stunning and they all play great.
I've always liked Breaking All Illusions but this version is by far the best....so powerful.
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What's with the visuals on Scarred? ???
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I been playing this constantly for the last days. Dream Theater hasen't really been up to the old level since Mike left and I have become a bit afraid the new wasn't for me. This release was very important for me in that they could release something where both the new & old songs come to life, often better than the recorded CD variant!
I actually freaking love every song (even the on CD super booring Enigma Machine). Set 2 & encore is amazing! Illumination Theory and SDV is just mindblowing. This is really what they needed after Luna Park :)
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I watched it, and was completely blown away. James was on fire.
Didn't notice any excessive auto tuning (I worked in professional audio for over two years, I would know), and didn't notice any auto tuning throwing notes out of pitch. I noticed James hitting some wrong notes here and there, but let's not be stupid and blame it on wrong auto tuned notes. That's just absurd.
Mangini's kit is heard, and although I'm still not thrilled about his snare tone, his kit and his playing sounded incredible!
My favorite live DT release yet. Hands down.
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Well that's me told. Can't argue with that reasoning. OMG I <3 AWAKE !
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I am on my first viewing right now. The Shattered Fortress just kicked my ass.
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I am on my first viewing right now. The Shattered Fortress just kicked my ass.
Not I song that I really cared for, but that ending is epic, as is Mangini throughout. The live version is definitely a convincer.
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Wife is leaving to hang with her mom and sis, I have to mow the lawn but viewing the concert again will happen today!
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Just finished watching & this BlueRay kicks ass. The band is so locked in. The sound (at least on my system) is
incredible. MM is just a beast on this & looks like he's have a blast.(as with the rest of the band).This is one of their best live releases yet.
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Trial of Tears holy shit that intro!
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Trial of Tears holy shit that intro!
This is what I posted during the show..
They are absolutely crushing Trial Of Tears right now.
MM and JM are in the zone.
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I just watched the whole DVD, including the extras. :) Although I liked Luna Park more than most, I think BTFW fixes the few problems LALP had (unbalanced mix, lack of crowd noise) and has an even better setlist. The orchestra and choir are used well - not too overpowering, but not unnoticeable either. James isn't as perfect as I expected him to be, but he kicks ass on the Awake songs and this is still one of his strongest DVD performances. JP's tone is kind of muddy on the 7-string songs, but that's what it sounded like in the concert I saw and the YT live videos I've watched, so I knew what to expect. MM is fun to watch, and I don't understand people who whine about him being boring compared to MP. JMX is JMX and Jordan is Jordan... His face at the end of Overture kind of creeped me out, though! :lol
I would've appreciated more extras, but I'm happy about the inclusion of the EM animation, because I had trouble following it back in February. All in all, I'm very satisfied with BTFW, and it might just be my favorite live release now. :tup
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ENIGMA MACHINE
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Just finished the Awake section. Stunning.
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Illumination Theory oh my sweet Lord
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Just finished the Awake section. Stunning.
Illumination Theory oh my sweet Lord
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Trial of Tears holy shit that intro!
One of my favourite parts of the gig, including both times I saw them. It's a shame the DVD wasn't filmed later in the tour as they've recently started expanding it. Check this out from the Argentina gig, they all launch into this improv for a few minutes and then come back round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGY_WTqSXg
It's awesome. Made me grin like a madman. Starts at 2:15ish.
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Check this out from the Argentina gig, they all launch into this improv for a few minutes and then come back round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGY_WTqSXg
It's awesome. Made me grin like a madman. Starts at 2:15ish.
That is amazing.
I'm hoping they're doing something like they used to do with the intro to The Mirror back in the I&W tour days, and this ends up being expanded into a full song on the next album.
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Dear God in Heaven. After one viewing, I think this is EASILY their best live release.
Of course, I realize that part of that is coming from my love of Awake, SFAM, and DT12. If one or more of those is not your cup of tea, I could understand not liking this one as much.
But for me, the setlist was out of this world, the visual aspect was fantastic, the band sounds incredible, and the performances are off the charts.
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Hef speaketh the truth :tup
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One of my favourite parts of the gig, including both times I saw them. It's a shame the DVD wasn't filmed later in the tour as they've recently started expanding it. Check this out from the Argentina gig, they all launch into this improv for a few minutes and then come back round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGY_WTqSXg
It's awesome. Made me grin like a madman. Starts at 2:15ish.
Wow, that is so cool. I hope they get back to that for the next album, very atmospheric and melodic!
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Check this out from the Argentina gig, they all launch into this improv for a few minutes and then come back round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGY_WTqSXg
It's awesome. Made me grin like a madman. Starts at 2:15ish.
That is amazing.
I'm hoping they're doing something like they used to do with the intro to The Mirror back in the I&W tour days, and this ends up being expanded into a full song on the next album.
Yep. It may not actually be improv and it could be some new material! I hope it is because I love it.
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Dear God in Heaven. After one viewing, I think this is EASILY their best live release.
Of course, I realize that part of that is coming from my love of Awake, SFAM, and DT12. If one or more of those is not your cup of tea, I could understand not liking this one as much.
But for me, the setlist was out of this world, the visual aspect was fantastic, the band sounds incredible, and the performances are off the charts.
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I don't think we agree very often. But this time... :tup
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I totally agree with you hef!
Is from September 30th that I only listen to this DVD (and lately I'm listening to an unimaginable amount of good new music).
Absolutely wonderful stuff, I'm speechless.
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Hef's walkthrough of the DVD was totally awesome :lol
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Trial of Tears holy shit that intro!
One of my favourite parts of the gig, including both times I saw them. It's a shame the DVD wasn't filmed later in the tour as they've recently started expanding it. Check this out from the Argentina gig, they all launch into this improv for a few minutes and then come back round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGY_WTqSXg
It's awesome. Made me grin like a madman. Starts at 2:15ish.
That's a good sign and makes me hopeful for more spontaneity and experimentation on future tours.
I agree with Hef that this is definitely their best live release. It's the type of setlist I had hoped for at the Score show. Not that it's perfect but it's damn good.
Why do people like The Shattered Fortress so much on this? Am I missing some of the appeal because I am visually impaired? (I saw a comment about MM being fun to watch on that song) I tried listening to the audio from the beginning while at the gym but after The Enemy Inside I skipped to Breaking All Illusions.
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Trial of Tears holy shit that intro!
One of my favourite parts of the gig, including both times I saw them. It's a shame the DVD wasn't filmed later in the tour as they've recently started expanding it. Check this out from the Argentina gig, they all launch into this improv for a few minutes and then come back round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGY_WTqSXg
It's awesome. Made me grin like a madman. Starts at 2:15ish.
Damn, that was awesome. That seems to be the part of the show that has changed the most since it began in January.
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I can be spotted in two live DT releases now (Dream and Day Re-Unite being the other instance). Good times!
I was sooooo bummed with that LA show for WDADU. I was 2nd row, probably 3 seats left of center, and not once can you see me good.... :lol Where are you at in that one?
That show was KILLER, so I'll assume you mean you were bummed with the DVD. DT didn't announce beforehand or during the show that they were recording a DVD. I can spotted once rocking hard to the opening of Killing Hand.
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Sometimes the crowd sounds piped in, but otherwise a great concert. I'd say Score is still LaBrie's finest moment.
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Sometimes the crowd sounds piped in, but otherwise a great concert. I'd say Score is still LaBrie's finest moment.
I think Score is probably LaBrie's most consistent concert. But I've also heard mentions of certain parts being overdubbed. And besides, in terms of stage presence, I'd say LaBrie was at his all time worst in Score (among officially released video material). I mean, overall, it was pretty standard, but there were certain parts where he seemed so stiff for some reason.
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Sometimes the crowd sounds piped in, but otherwise a great concert. I'd say Score is still LaBrie's finest moment.
I think Score is probably LaBrie's most consistent concert. But I've also heard mentions of certain parts being overdubbed. And besides, in terms of stage presence, I'd say LaBrie was at his all time worst in Score (among officially released video material). I mean, overall, it was pretty standard, but there were certain parts where he seemed so stiff for some reason.
I listen to the audio way more than watch the show, but his stage presence never bothered me. Neither does Hansi's of Blind Guardian who rarely moves from one spot.
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I believe the live orchestra is playing over the pre-recorded orchestra track in the Illumination Theory section. (52:16)
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Finally got my copy of the DVD. Two songs in so far.
Holy shit.
Finally they get the live DVD they deserve.
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I listen to the audio way more than watch the show, but his stage presence never bothered me. Neither does Hansi's of Blind Guardian who rarely moves from one spot.
It's not just the movement, I don't know what... The posture, I guess, he just looks... I don't know, weird in parts of Score.
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How's the iTunes Download?
Anything about it I need to know it before I buy n d/l it?
I mean is it any good? Good mix? Everything clear?
Thanks
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The Blu-Ray + 3CD combo was too expensive, since it would've cost me $15 extra, so I got the regular Blu-Ray version, and for an audio version, I actually went with the HD Tracks version, which still ended up being cheaper overall for me than the BR3CD version.
In any case, the HD Tracks version is awesome, so I'd recommend that, but I can't comment on the iTunes version since I haven't heard it.
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Woot! So far the best shot I found of myself.
And yes, I'm filming :lol
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Sweater and all!
I'm too far in the dark underneath the balcony to see.
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Woot! So far the best shot I found of myself.
And yes, I'm filming :lol
Kinda looks more like you're giving the sign of the horns rather than holding a camera/phone! :lol
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Awesome, even better shot. My brother will be pissed.
Now I'm wondering whether I should get the Blu-Ray, if it has better resolution!
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If you squint really hard, you can see me, like, 500 miles to the West.
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If Rumborak will permit me . . . adjusting my earplugs because it was frigging loud!
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:lol That's awesome.
Seriously, I would have been very annoyed to not have been visible on this DVD, given the excellent seat I had. I'm already not visible on Score!!
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The maestro signs my playbill.
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Were those VIP seats?
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Seats for Boston were Gold (5th Row center).
Platinum for Los Angeles (1st row center)
Riverside was 3rd row stage left, a late release ticket at floor price.
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I just picked up the DVD, haven't even put it in yet. But I did spot myself three times. :biggrin:
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That show was KILLER, so I'll assume you mean you were bummed with the DVD. DT didn't announce beforehand or during the show that they were recording a DVD. I can spotted once rocking hard to the opening of Killing Hand.
Naw....I was bummed that I wasn't visible in the DVD....LOL. It's almost comical because we were right THERE. The show was fantastic, as was the meet and greet after the show..
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On the headphones now second time through, incredible. The boys are on fire, locked in and just sound brilliant. Fantastic performance, 5 big stars, STUNNING...
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I've watched all of the bits I'm most interested in for the DVD, and it was very good overall. :tup
The video quality and camera work was great, and edited just about perfectly. For video quality and camera work, I'd only put it behind Budokan, and I personally had no complaints about the editing (I didn't watch Scarred, so the overlay thingy isn't an issue for me).
It did a great job of focusing on the right person at the right time. For solos, it always focused squarely on the person playing, and used the split screens to good effect during instrumental sections so you saw everything interesting. Now that I think about it, I'd probably say this was their best edited video release.
The audio mix was similarly very good. Again, I'd probably only put it behind Budokan there, just ahead of Score. The keys were loud throughout, and Mangini's kit has never sounded so good. If his kit sounded like this on the next album, I'd be very happy.
JLB sounded phenomenal, and still at the top of his game. He sounded a bit more refined than on LALP, which I also thought he sounded great on. This is definitely a contender with Score for JLB's best vocal performance on a live release. I didn't hear any major issues with pitch correction, except the bridge of ToT, where it snapped to the fifth instead of the stylistic inbetween 5th and flattened 5th. But JLB's performance was mighty impressive.
I couldn't really hear the choir or orchestra very well at all. It sounded mostly like I was only hearing the JR strings over the orchestra. I haven't listened to this on headphones yet, so maybe it will be more obvious then. Visually it was a nice sight to have the orchestra and choir there.
Some of MM's fills and patterns bothered me slightly. I think my issue with the patterns is due to how his kit is set up. Does he have a standard hi-hat with pedal? It looks like he just uses a lot of differently set-up cymbals/hats for it, and it sounds a bit odd in places. MP always had a lot of dynamics on the hi-hat, and often bashed them really hard, whereas I'm not hearing that inbetween from MM. It's either the really soft closed hi-hat sound, or cymbals, and often he alternates on the ride/hats instead of using the hats as MP did. I don't mind that he does it differently to MP, but sometimes it just lacked the intensity. For the most part MM is a monster though, and for me this is the first DT release to truly do him justice. His drumming sounded weak on LALP, but it's nice and powerful on this one.
I don't generally like digi-packs, but the physical package is very nice too. Classy artwork, and a really nice booklet.
If this had a better setlist, I'd rank this set 2nd behind Budokan. As is, I'd put it just behind Score in 3rd place (and maybe just ahead of LSFNY which is brought down by its crummy video). Let this be their benchmark for future MM releases. :hat
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I believe the live orchestra is playing over the pre-recorded orchestra track in the Illumination Theory section. (52:16)
I was thinking the same the first time I heard it, as it sounded suspiciously exactly like on the studio version ("maybe it didn't sound as good live as they wanted it to sound and replaced the track with the original"). I put the two tracks on each other and played them simultaneously. They don't drift apart at all (not the slightest), not even during or after the orchestra part and they sound exactly the same (even though the live version is louder). That is, on my speakers. Listening to it on headphones, subtle differences pop up, especially focusing on the brass section. My conclusion is that, since it's the same ensemble that played on the studio version (as far as I know), and they played to a click, they managed to nail it as faithful to the original as humanly possible. It wouldn't make any sense to mix in the studio version, especially since they let the out of tune Score orchestra fly instead of replacing it with Jordan's keyboard. :lol
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At 52:16 on my BluRay (with the volume turned up loud) the orchestra comes to a rest (bows down) but the held note continues unabated. Unless its a brilliantly mixed cross fade with the rising backing track sound effect, it appears that the entire taped track is used, which makes sense given the pre-programming of the set. Not a complaint, just an observation.
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Indeed. Let's see if Eren will comment on it.
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I believe the live orchestra is playing over the pre-recorded orchestra track in the Illumination Theory section. (52:16)
I was thinking the same the first time I heard it, as it sounded suspiciously exactly like on the studio version ("maybe it didn't sound as good live as they wanted it to sound and replaced the track with the original"). I put the two tracks on each other and played them simultaneously. They don't drift apart at all (not the slightest), not even during or after the orchestra part and they sound exactly the same (even though the live version is louder). That is, on my speakers. Listening to it on headphones, subtle differences pop up, especially focusing on the brass section. My conclusion is that, since it's the same ensemble that played on the studio version (as far as I know), and they played to a click, they managed to nail it as faithful to the original as humanly possible. It wouldn't make any sense to mix in the studio version, especially since they let the out of tune Score orchestra fly instead of replacing it with Jordan's keyboard. :lol
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I just did this myself, and the original tape is definitely mixed in there partially imo, along with the live orchestra. They do sound very similar, and I can hear some of the nuances down to the exact vibrato and tone, but I also hear some nuances in there that aren't on the studio version, and visually the waveforms don't look all that similar as you'd expect if it was just the studio version in there (even taking into account the crowd noise), so I think they mixed them both together to create a fuller sound.
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Some of MM's fills and patterns bothered me slightly. I think my issue with the patterns is due to how his kit is set up. Does he have a standard hi-hat with pedal?
He does - but the left hi hat pedal controls the right hi hat and vice versa.
No idea why.
Because Mangini I guess.
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MM has a unique drumming style in that he does not cross arms if he can help it. Which is why his hihat work sounds so different from MP. His right and left hands rarely hit the same cymbals because of this technique. This leads to a weird sound for MP songs (like for ToT) but sounds really good in songs which MM originally orchestrated (like TLG and IT). The unique drumming style also explains why his left foot pedal operates the righr hi hat and vice versa.
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I feel bad for the horns. They were essentially taken from the recording because of the flub.
I also have to listen to Finally Free on the bootleg. JP must have screwed up, there was one really noticeable part they couldn't conceal.
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I also have to listen to Finally Free on the bootleg. JP must have screwed up, there was one really noticeable part they couldn't conceal.
Where was that? The bootleg also made it sound like MM was ending FF early.
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Never mind. I just listened to it again, and I think it sounds weird because he doesn't quite hit the bend, and the delayed version of that on the next note (which is on target) sounds weird. I'm talking about the last few notes right before "as their bodies lie still".
But the horns they definitely took completely out because of the fuckup in the quiet section.
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I believe the live orchestra is playing over the pre-recorded orchestra track in the Illumination Theory section. (52:16)
I was thinking the same the first time I heard it, as it sounded suspiciously exactly like on the studio version ("maybe it didn't sound as good live as they wanted it to sound and replaced the track with the original"). I put the two tracks on each other and played them simultaneously. They don't drift apart at all (not the slightest), not even during or after the orchestra part and they sound exactly the same (even though the live version is louder). That is, on my speakers. Listening to it on headphones, subtle differences pop up, especially focusing on the brass section. My conclusion is that, since it's the same ensemble that played on the studio version (as far as I know), and they played to a click, they managed to nail it as faithful to the original as humanly possible. It wouldn't make any sense to mix in the studio version, especially since they let the out of tune Score orchestra fly instead of replacing it with Jordan's keyboard. :lol
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1783x130q90/538/Ailcr8.jpg)
I just did this myself, and the original tape is definitely mixed in there partially imo, along with the live orchestra. They do sound very similar, and I can hear some of the nuances down to the exact vibrato and tone, but I also hear some nuances in there that aren't on the studio version, and visually the waveforms don't look all that similar as you'd expect if it was just the studio version in there (even taking into account the crowd noise), so I think they mixed them both together to create a fuller sound.
The live version sounds a lot better though, and not just because it's fuller. Honestly, as much as I love that section, something about the way it was recorded or mixed on the album just doesn't sound good. I'm not sure what it is. But with most live strings like that, usually, they have such a soft and organic tone to them, that if you turn the volume way up high, it'll still sound good, but the ones on the album, there's something umm.. almost coarse about them. What kind of post processing did they do, I wonder. I don't know. But in BTFW they definitely have that beautiful, soft and organic tone that's much more pleasant to listen to.
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I was thinking the same thing last night. After I spent 15 minutes getting my receiver to sound just right for the recording I was blown away. Everything is so clear, you can hear everything each of the band members is playing, tons of breathing room, not compressed at all it seems. One of the most enjoyable mixes I've ever heard from DT. It's makes up for the last album. I'm only through set one and have enjoyed every second of it!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
Just listened to a few of the songs on the Blu-Ray, which came in today and is it just me, or is this the best sounding DT live album ever, in terms of the mix? I mean, everything just pops so perfectly. Haven't listened to the orchestral songs yet, but the band itself sounds fantastic. More than makes up for the mix of LALP, I'd say. Pure ear candy.
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I watched the entire concert last night, and was blown away.
There are so many small changes to a good number of the songs: some new guitar licks here, more technical keyboard solos, altered vocal melodies that in many cases (such as the "feeling uninspired" verse of ToT) are better than on the studio albums, changed drum parts (my initial favorite being the clean verse of tSF), and so on. The orchestra and especially the choir add to the songs they play. Just a really great release. The shots are, for the most part, excellent, though I would have liked if they focused on different members in a few spots (eg, The Pursuit of Truth, JP is hardly shown during his first solo).
My favorite part was in The Wasteland. When a thunder effect plays, JR reaches out his hands as though he is summoning it. :lol
I am not yet sure if this will top Budokan. While James is inconsistent on that release, the band looks and sounds at their best, and the deviations from the studio albums are far more drastic there. If it was not for the visual overlay effects on Scarred and the second half of The Embracing Circle, this would be my favorite live release.
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James sounds magnificent towards the end of Lifting Shadows where he shifts into the higher register and then the harmonies kick in.
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I can definitely say this is my favorite live release of theirs. Up to this one, there was always something obviously amiss with a given live DVD. LSFNY had the ridiculous seizure-inducing animations. Chaos in Motion sounded like crap, and so did LALP. Score's orchestra was painful to listen to.
This one pulls it all together without any big flaw. The orchestra sounds great, James sounds great, the video quality is excellent. And it includes a best-of of SFAM and Awake, two of their most-liked albums.
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I absolutely love these version of OTBOA and BAI. They blow away the Luna Park versions, easy (maybe just without including the amazing ending to OTBOA James did in Luna Park).
This might be the definitive live versions of those songs.
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Trial of Tears holy shit that intro!
One of my favourite parts of the gig, including both times I saw them. It's a shame the DVD wasn't filmed later in the tour as they've recently started expanding it. Check this out from the Argentina gig, they all launch into this improv for a few minutes and then come back round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGY_WTqSXg
It's awesome. Made me grin like a madman. Starts at 2:15ish.
Damn, that was awesome. That seems to be the part of the show that has changed the most since it began in January.
I love Mangini's face when they finish at 5:23. He's all like "yeah, we're pretty good."
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I absolutely love these version of OTBOA and BAI. They blow away the Luna Park versions, easy (maybe just without including the amazing ending to OTBOA James did in Luna Park).
This might be the definitive live versions of those songs.
Well, that ending on the LALP version made that OTBOA. That's my definitive version thanks to that ending alone. It's a shame he didn't do it that way again on this version.
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I can definitely say this is my favorite live release of theirs. Up to this one, there was always something obviously amiss with a given live DVD. LSFNY had the ridiculous seizure-inducing animations. Chaos in Motion sounded like crap, and so did LALP. Score's orchestra was painful to listen to.
This one pulls it all together without any big flaw. The orchestra sounds great, James sounds great, the video quality is excellent. And it includes a best-of of SFAM and Awake, two of their most-liked albums.
You thought the orchestra was that bad on Score? I thought it was overrated but not terrible. There were some moments when it sounded out of tune though.
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The orchestra was, definitely, out of tune. It's painful to hear the SDOIT overture, so I usually skip to About to Crash whenever I watch/listen that concert.
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The flutes. THE FLUTES!!
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Boston show belongs to MM… his performance is excellent as well as his setup sounds great in the mix.
But well production, guitars, keys, voice, balance and mix are not that perfect, it sounds so cheesy , like higher class bootleg. Imagine listen to show without drums tracks…hmh…
[Perhaps I speak for minority, I never adored Score and liked LaLP much more, just because sound, production is very good balanced and the way / vibe the grabbed songs e.g as Metropolis 1, Surrounded, PMU, These Walls is very closed origin.]
Anyway this show is really wonderful … I rate it very high… sure higher than Score
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Just saw that clip of ToT from Argentina, they extended the hell out of that intro. It's pretty cool. :tup
Also, I've never had the problem with the orchestra on Score. Is it really so much out of tune? Nothing about it sounds wrong to me, but maybe I'm not paying attention.
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Just saw that clip of ToT from Argentina, they extended the hell out of that intro. It's pretty cool. :tup
I just saw a video of the other night in Argentina and they played the same jam again, and then referenced the hook again at the end of the song. I'm wondering if it's some new material and not just an improv?
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So what's up with the visual stuff on Scarred? And by that I seriously mean what is it all about, I didn't notice or remember anything. :lol
Must have been too focused on the music, I'll have to re-watch to see what everyones on about. Can't have been that bad if I completely missed it, or am I just really unobservant? :D
I didn't watch Scarred, so the overlay thingy isn't an issue for me
:\ *shakes head* :yeahright
I suppose you get a pass if you saw the actual thing live though Haha.
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So what's up with the visual stuff on Scarred? And by that I seriously mean what is it all about, I didn't notice or remember anything. :lol
It just had an overlay of images, symbolic to the song I guess, over the musicians. And the thing is, that would be cool, if it just kind of got shown here and there, but no, it was there throughout the entire song non stop. It's really distracting. Like, I'm trying to watch the musicians, their expressions, what notes they're playing, but these images are always passing by and this constant movement really draws the eye away from the musicians and to the pictures.
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So what's up with the visual stuff on Scarred? And by that I seriously mean what is it all about, I didn't notice or remember anything. :lol
It just had an overlay of images, symbolic to the song I guess, over the musicians. And the thing is, that would be cool, if it just kind of got shown here and there, but no, it was there throughout the entire song non stop. It's really distracting. Like, I'm trying to watch the musicians, their expressions, what notes they're playing, but these images are always passing by and this constant movement really draws the eye away from the musicians and to the pictures.
It went on so long I was beginning to winder if my DVD was messed up.
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Hmm, sounds really obvious by that description. I was too busy listening to the drums and guitars on that piece I think because that's the stuff that stood out to me about that song. :hat
EDIT: Oh wow! I see it! Just checked some bits out. I'm not even kidding though, it was totally invisible to me the first time I watched it, and it's not like I was distracted by outside things, I was quite intently focused on everything I was watching. I must have just somehow tuned it out or didn't tune it in or something. :lol I can see how it might be a bit distracting but seems like a kinda cool effect, pretty trippy.
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It went on so long I was beginning to winder if my DVD was messed up.
I was beginning to wonder if someone was actually projecting that stuff ONTO them, lol.
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Is it an overlay of stuff that was on the screen at the time? Kinda like what they did for a moment in the ambient section of Illumination Theory just before the orchestra came in where it showed the shadow creatures on screen, then it showed a perspective of the audience with the screen in the distance but also an overlay of the same image.
Dunno how I missed James singing to this cow (or is it a sheep? lol) about his soul exposed.
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Watched the blu-ray. Multi channel soundtrack has dynamics so that's good fortunately. Not crazy about JP's rhythm tone but it works, especially with MM's good sounding drums. This release finally pulled me over when it comes to Mangini. I really appreciate how he's accentuating everyone's parts, what a gifted drummer. TSF isn't a favorite pf mine, but the performance of the song is energizing. Awake set is nostalgic and just awesome.
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Is it an overlay of stuff that was on the screen at the time? Kinda like what they did for a moment in the ambient section of Illumination Theory just before the orchestra came in where it showed the shadow creatures on screen, then it showed a perspective of the audience with the screen in the distance but also an overlay of the same image.
Well, you'd think so, but paid attention to the screen a few times, and those times, the screen was actually showing the guys play, and from a different angle, no less, so during those times, it's definitely not what was on the screen.
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What exactly is JMX playing with that foot board? Extra low end notes or something?
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Nobody really knows. My theory is he's tweeting stuff.
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I'm curious about that as well. Kinda looks the the footboards Geddy Lee uses but he uses it to trigger external sounds and samples that have been programmed to certain notes so I don't actually know what Myung is doing either cause Rudess is normally responsible for that stuff. Has to be some kind of effect or double up of his bass notes. He could even use to put the 5th in there to have a bass power chord effect when there's supposed to be a rhythm guitar section but I'm just speculating, I have no idea.
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Does JMX use the Taurus pedals for any other songs other than Looking Glass?
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My father was watching along and was really impressed that he's playing these parts and pressing stuff with his feet. :lol
Second viewing: Trial of Tears is amazing! Definitely an improvement on the Budokan version although I also really like that one.
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He uses the pedals during The Enemy Inside aswell (there's a good shot of it just before James comes to hug rape him and proceeds to prentend to play his bass over his shoulder in the next shot :rollin). It looks like John is following the same notes that he'd be playing on bass.
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JLB also stands out with his showmanship on this release. He's really good at hyping up the crowd, even when the music gets as pretentious as the outro of Breaking All Illusions. There's a lot of bombast but he always stays involved in the music no matter what's going on.
As far as pitch correction goes, yes I do hear some here and there and his voice has some enhancement going on. But I've looked at some bootleg vids from this tour and he's actually way more consistent and in tune than he has been in years. I'm so bummed out that I missed them this tour.
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I still don't get why JM gets credit for "Bass and Taurus Pedals" but JR doesn't get credit for "Keyboards, Continuum, Seaboard, Zen Riffer, and iOS Apps" and JP doesn't get credit for "Guitars and HGH".
Why do Taurus Pedals receive special recognition? It's the same with the Chapman Stick I think... "Bass and Chapman Stick". At the very least JR should get "Keyboards and Zen Riffer".
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I still don't get why JM gets credit for "Bass and Taurus Pedals" but JR doesn't get credit for "Keyboards, Continuum, Seaboard, Zen Riffer, and iOS Apps" and JP doesn't get credit for "Guitars and HGH".
Why do Taurus Pedals receive special recognition? It's the same with the Chapman Stick I think... "Bass and Chapman Stick". At the very least JR should get "Keyboards and Zen Riffer".
I dunno, first world problems at their best.
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:lol
Man, such issues to sort out. :lol
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The live version sounds a lot better though, and not just because it's fuller. Honestly, as much as I love that section, something about the way it was recorded or mixed on the album just doesn't sound good. I'm not sure what it is. But with most live strings like that, usually, they have such a soft and organic tone to them, that if you turn the volume way up high, it'll still sound good, but the ones on the album, there's something umm.. almost coarse about them. What kind of post processing did they do, I wonder. I don't know. But in BTFW they definitely have that beautiful, soft and organic tone that's much more pleasant to listen to.
Have you listened to both versions on the same equipment? Because honestly, it's predominantly the studio version that there's barely any difference in tone at all between the two. Side by side I can't even pick them apart with my headphones except for a couple of specific articulations, and the moments of crowd noise.
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OK the alternate DT12 easter egg part at the credits is so nice. I really hope they'll use this for a song. It just sounds like something new and a bit more loose. Love it.
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Trial of Tears holy shit that intro!
One of my favourite parts of the gig, including both times I saw them. It's a shame the DVD wasn't filmed later in the tour as they've recently started expanding it. Check this out from the Argentina gig, they all launch into this improv for a few minutes and then come back round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGY_WTqSXg
It's awesome. Made me grin like a madman. Starts at 2:15ish.
Damn, that was awesome. That seems to be the part of the show that has changed the most since it began in January.
I love Mangini's face when they finish at 5:23. He's all like "yeah, we're pretty good."
I hope this would actually become a song in the next album. It sounded so good!
If this is just a jam, it's really cool to hear an improv jam in 7/4. :metal
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Man, that was great. This together with the DT12 easter egg stuff like this could be a nice opening to a new direction. DT12 is so typical for the band, and actually ADTOE also.. it would be almost silly if they'd stay in exactly the same style.
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So there hasn't really been any discussion about the songs being "album tempo". I honestly forgot all about it until halfway through the show and then for a split second I thought, "I think they must be using a faster click track." Then I realized that was kind of dumb of me to think and that the album tempo is pretty much perfect as it is.
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I don't get what you're trying to say but do you mean the songs sound faster or something?
They never used click with MP live right?
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Nope. That always resulted in faster-than-life performances.
I remember a couple of performances of Caught in a Web during the Octavarium tour. Fast shit.
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So there hasn't really been any discussion about the songs being "album tempo". I honestly forgot all about it until halfway through the show and then for a split second I thought, "I think they must be using a faster click track." Then I realized that was kind of dumb of me to think and that the album tempo is pretty much perfect as it is.
I never noticed it either for this show, I suppose that's a fair indication that the songs didn't get dragged down or feel like they were plodding away to the "click".
Nope. That always resulted in faster-than-life performances.
I remember a couple of performances of Caught in a Web during the Octavarium tour. Fast shit.
Let's not forget The Glass Prison on Bucharest and other live vids from the time. Poor John trying to play those arpeggios at Mike's superhuman tempo.
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I don't get what you're trying to say but do you mean the songs sound faster or something?
They never used click with MP live right?
There has been significant opposition on this board to them using a click track with MM. Some people think it makes the songs drag in a live setting. The discussion may have even been in this thread but possibly dozens of pages back. Now that the live album/bluray is out, seems people have forgotten that. Kinda shows me that the discussion was just sort of...overblown to begin with maybe?
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Not so much overblown, but it seems to depend on how one is experiencing the concert. I was at the very show, and for one or two songs I thought it was plodding. When I saw the DVD version I didn't think that.
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I understand being averse to a click track because it might make the songs feel too rigid or that it defeats the possibility of spontaneity or something. But to complain that they're the same tempo as they are on the album is just silly. As impressive as it would be to see DT play their songs even faster than they already do, it's completely unnecessary. And honestly, I don't like it when bands play their music faster live, because it seems like they're just rushing through the song, just so they could pack more material into a single set list.
But anyway, regarding the fear of music feeling too rigid, I'd say for the most part, that's been averted. Even though MM plays his parts flawlessly, he still gives it a very organic feel.
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That Argentina jam was awesome. But yeah, its just the Wasteland chords in 7/4, so I don't think it will be turn into anything beyond just a cool jam.
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Sometimes the crowd sounds piped in, but otherwise a great concert. I'd say Score is still LaBrie's finest moment.
I think Score is probably LaBrie's most consistent concert. But I've also heard mentions of certain parts being overdubbed. And besides, in terms of stage presence, I'd say LaBrie was at his all time worst in Score (among officially released video material). I mean, overall, it was pretty standard, but there were certain parts where he seemed so stiff for some reason.
He was sick at the time. As in physically ill. The Wallngford show from just before has him sounding like complete shit (the one where he comes in early on Metropolis removing the instrumental section and prompting a drum solo).
I can definitely say this is my favorite live release of theirs. Up to this one, there was always something obviously amiss with a given live DVD. LSFNY had the ridiculous seizure-inducing animations. Chaos in Motion sounded like crap, and so did LALP. Score's orchestra was painful to listen to.
This one pulls it all together without any big flaw. The orchestra sounds great, James sounds great, the video quality is excellent. And it includes a best-of of SFAM and Awake, two of their most-liked albums.
I've only ever heard dynamic range compression artifacts used stylistically before now.
It's funny that, regarding the visuals on Scarred, I had taken a couple pictures from the NYC show and Google Goggles recognized the stock images from which they were sourced.
I'm currently preparing a waveform comparison of DT12CD, DT12HD, BtFWCD, AsYd Boot, and Grizz Lossy Boot. I have no clue what to do after importing them into Audacity.
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Okay, so the CD version is still
downlo being brought over by my friend so that I may view the single part of that single track for educational purposes only while the CD is in my possession, so let's just see a quick comparison of the overall IT for a compression view:
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Can you explain better what these waves mean?
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I understand being averse to a click track because it might make the songs feel too rigid or that it defeats the possibility of spontaneity or something. But to complain that they're the same tempo as they are on the album is just silly.
I don't know how many concerts you've been to, but music is perceived very differently based on the external circumstances. What seems like a perfectly fine tempo for a song in a calm living room environment, will be perceived as plodding in a more adrenaline-driven environment such as a live concert.
Dismissing the state of the listener, the performers, and the environment they are in as "silly", is frankly rather ignorant about humans work.
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So that's why songs seem to be playing insanely fast if they wake me up.
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:lol I guess so.
I have certainly played most songs live a good chunk faster than normal because of the adrenaline, and the people there didn't notice it. When listening to a recording of it later I noticed how much faster than regular they were. I would argue that if both performers and listeners find the tempo appropriate, then it is the right one.
So, while the click is great for a live DVD (which is usually enjoyed in a calm environment), it's not good for the people actually being there at the concert.
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Can you explain better what these waves mean?
Jack, although you can see that the peaks are squashed on BTFW and Grizz Lossy. The difference is one is the result of a bad phone the other a bad master.
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"I was thinkin we could walk on the water and still find reasons to swim inside..."
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I understand being averse to a click track because it might make the songs feel too rigid or that it defeats the possibility of spontaneity or something. But to complain that they're the same tempo as they are on the album is just silly.
I don't know how many concerts you've been to, but music is perceived very differently based on the external circumstances. What seems like a perfectly fine tempo for a song in a calm living room environment, will be perceived as plodding in a more adrenaline-driven environment such as a live concert.
Dismissing the state of the listener, the performers, and the environment they are in as "silly", is frankly rather ignorant about humans work.
That. What works perfectly for the energy in the studio does not always translate the same with the energy of a live performance. For example, the studio tempo for the outro of TSCO kills that song dead for me on LALP, even though it's fine on the album. In other instances, the studio tempos work perfectly well, and speeding them up too far live loses the vibe that makes the original so good.
It's a hard thing to quantify, but it's not at all a silly phenomenon.
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I don't know how many concerts you've been to, but music is perceived very differently based on the external circumstances. What seems like a perfectly fine tempo for a song in a calm living room environment, will be perceived as plodding in a more adrenaline-driven environment such as a live concert.
Dismissing the state of the listener, the performers, and the environment they are in as "silly", is frankly rather ignorant about humans work.
I've been to plenty of concerts.
Regardless of how things might be perceived, I just think that saying, "They should play their songs faster live than in the studio" is kind of a silly thing to expect. Some bands choose to do it, some don't, some only do it for certain songs, others might do it for every song, but it's certainly not something that should be considered mandatory.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I honestly haven't even noticed it for The Glass Prison on the Gigantour DVD, but apparently, someone said they're playing it faster, I don't know. But sometimes it is noticeable, and when it is, it feels like the song is being rushed through, even if it's to drive the energy up.
But regardless, for the past two Dream Theater tours, never once have I felt like anything was plodding or dragging. Even songs that I wasn't particularly excited to hear never dragged for me.
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I still don't get why JM gets credit for "Bass and Taurus Pedals" but JR doesn't get credit for "Keyboards, Continuum, Seaboard, Zen Riffer, and iOS Apps" and JP doesn't get credit for "Guitars and HGH".
Why do Taurus Pedals receive special recognition? It's the same with the Chapman Stick I think... "Bass and Chapman Stick". At the very least JR should get "Keyboards and Zen Riffer".
The first thing I thought of when I saw it was "Geddy Lee used to be credited to those on Rush albums", which probably explains it.
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Just bought the blu ray this week-end, and this is a FUCKIN' AWESOME SHOW!! :metal
Awesome performance from the band, awesome light-show, awesome quality picture and sound, awesome crowd, awesome orchestra and choird!!
This blu ray could top the list of all they have already released!!
There's only ONE thing wrong about this release : no real bonus material.
And why the hell didn't they put the so funny "interlude" film ? :corn
Anyway, I think that it's the best DT live video release since "Score", and in fact, "Breaking the fourth wall" is even better in my opinion.
Long live DT the best band on earth, in the universe and beyond. :yarr
(ps : the Boston Opera House is really a BEAUTIFUL theater!! :tup)
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And why the hell didn't they put the so funny "interlude" film ? :corn
It's probably to do with rights, since it's made up of other people's footage.
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Blob, do you get any financial profit from the DVD? I mean with your animations. I don't know how these things work :P
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This DVD is fucking amazing.
Labrie just crushes. His vocals match Score, actually I think they are better, much better.
The downside is the lack of bonus material and the need for 2 DVD's which is bullshit.
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A very good reason for you to pass to BR!! :tup
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A very good reason for you to pass to BR!! :tup
That is actually a decent reason. It was annoying as the price was way more expensive than just a normal DVD for some reason.
Does anyone have any idea the reasoning behind the 2 DVD's?
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Every time a new Dream Theater DVD comes out, people wonder if LaBrie will touch or surpass his performance on Score. Personally, I don't think it will ever happen, and it doesn't have to - LaBrie is awesome anyway. I'll be getting this very soon. :metal
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Every time a new Dream Theater DVD comes out, people wonder if LaBrie will touch or surpass his performance on Score. Personally, I don't think it will ever happen, and it doesn't have to - LaBrie is awesome anyway. I'll be getting this very soon. :metal
I'll take him here over Score i think. I'd probably need to watch both back to back though to properly decide.
I know this may have been discussed earlier, but does anyone have any idea how much of james' vocals were touched up or redone?
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A very good reason for you to pass to BR!! :tup
That is actually a decent reason. It was annoying as the price was way more expensive than just a normal DVD for some reason.
Does anyone have any idea the reasoning behind the 2 DVD's?
I believe it has a PCM stereo track, which is uncompressed, which means it has better quality audio, but on the downside, it takes up more storage space. Score also had PCM stereo, and as a result the video quality suffered for fitting a nearly 3 hour concert on one disc. BFTW would likely have similarly suffered had they fit it all on one disc.
So it was done for the sake of maintaining both video and audio quality, with the compromise of splitting the show over two discs.
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Saw them live once again last night, in Rio. Horrible acoustics aside, they nailed it once again!!! LaBrie did a note-perfect show, even better than the shows I saw earlier this year. It´s a shame that they changed the venue, and this one didn´t do the band´s sound justice. I could barely hear LaBrie on the first song, and Jordan and Myung were a huge mass of sound for the best part of the concert.
Another great James snippet was "ok, we´re now looking forward, ´cause there´s no looking back...so this one is on the back...s of angels". :facepalm: :loser:
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A very good reason for you to pass to BR!! :tup
That is actually a decent reason. It was annoying as the price was way more expensive than just a normal DVD for some reason.
Does anyone have any idea the reasoning behind the 2 DVD's?
I believe it has a PCM stereo track, which is uncompressed, which means it has better quality audio, but on the downside, it takes up more storage space. Score also had PCM stereo, and as a result the video quality suffered for fitting a nearly 3 hour concert on one disc. BTFW would likely have similarly suffered had they fit it all on one disc.
So it was done for the sake of maintaining both video and audio quality, with the compromise of splitting the show over two discs.
I don't mind having 2 DVDs unless I wanna watch the entire thing. Most of the time I just wanna watch a few songs worth and pick a DVD.
It sucks when you get movies on 2 discs though.
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Yea I really hated how the Audio tracks took away from the picture quality of Score and why I really want that on blu-ray. It would make the whole concert better and its the main reason (second being setlist) why Score is not in my top three DT DVDs.
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Another thing I noticed yesterday is that they had an extended jam at the beginning of Trial of Tears which is not on the Blu-Ray version - I didn´t notice them doing that in the shows earlier this year. It was not just Petrucci doing the Xanadu thing, all four of them were jamming a cool Marillion-esque theme.
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I'm only to the Shattered fortress and holy shit is mangini kill it
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I'm only to the Shattered fortress and holy shit is mangini kill it
Mangini made me dig the song. Before this release, The Shattered Fortress was only meh in my book but once I watched him play the shit out of the tune, it grew immensely.
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I don't have the DVD available right now to cross-check, but they completely pulled JLB's talking at the end of TSF, didn't they? That's the one I was referring to when I said it was somewhat ... "effeminate".
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Yeah, they dropped the whole "beautiful Opera House! We're shooting a DVD! Fine establishment...Berklee Music College!"
:lol
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They especially dropped the "... so they don't drop a crane on my head. Well, maybe they will if I screw up." :lol
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listening it again …Oh…what an impression of Mike’s drumming and sound of kit on this record…amazing…
pity, that guitars and keys don’t reach that sound quality …
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That moment in TSF instrumental section where Mangini stands up. That's some bad ass energy right there.
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I don't know if it is the superior drum sound, but Mangini sounds much more energetic here than he did in Luna Park.
Much more.
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I don't know if it is the superior drum sound, but Mangini sounds much more energetic here than he did in Luna Park.
Much more.
He´s much more comfortable in his seat, that´s for sure.
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The two guys in front of the orchestra that are singing along with James the verse "When your back's against the wall" during IT, are just awesome :metal :lol
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I also love how the choir is subtly bouncing along to all those heavy grooves in IT's verses.
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Anyone else see the bald guy pretending to conduct on The Embracing Circle? :lol
Dear bald guy, if you are a DTF member, I'm sorry, it was just funny.
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I also love how the choir is subtly bouncing along to all those heavy grooves in IT's verses.
Heh yeah, that was amusing to see. I'll have to look for the conductor guy :D
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The two guys in front of the orchestra that are singing along with James the verse "When your back's against the wall" during IT, are just awesome :metal :lol
I also love how the choir is subtly bouncing along to all those heavy grooves in IT's verses.
Good points. Love that too.
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I'm only to the Shattered fortress and holy shit is mangini kill it
Mangini made me dig the song. Before this release, The Shattered Fortress was only meh in my book but once I watched him play the shit out of the tune, it grew immensely.
Yeah....I never really cared for TSF all too much....just thought it was a re-hash mish mash but man does it come across great live! It's a whole different song live IMO...
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I'm only to the Shattered fortress and holy shit is mangini kill it
Mangini made me dig the song. Before this release, The Shattered Fortress was only meh in my book but once I watched him play the shit out of the tune, it grew immensely.
Yeah....I never really cared for TSF all too much....just thought it was a re-hash mish mash but man does it come across great live! It's a whole different song live IMO...
So true. I appreciate it a lot more now too!
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I'm only to the Shattered fortress and holy shit is mangini kill it
Mangini made me dig the song. Before this release, The Shattered Fortress was only meh in my book but once I watched him play the shit out of the tune, it grew immensely.
Yeah....I never really cared for TSF all too much....just thought it was a re-hash mish mash but man does it come across great live! It's a whole different song live IMO...
Also I think it works really well because it's kinda like a medley of the whole suite. That maybe in the record is a let down, but live it's enjoyable IMO.
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Every time a new Dream Theater DVD comes out, people wonder if LaBrie will touch or surpass his performance on Score. Personally, I don't think it will ever happen, and it doesn't have to - LaBrie is awesome anyway. I'll be getting this very soon. :metal
I'll take him here over Score i think. I'd probably need to watch both back to back though to properly decide.
I know this may have been discussed earlier, but does anyone have any idea how much of james' vocals were touched up or redone?
I think on Score James was being too "careful". They were still only two years removed from their discussion over the lack of quality performances so I think he just tried real hard to hit the notes. With that said, I think it sacrificed alot of the emotion in his voice.
With BTFW, it is the best of both worlds. He sounds fucking amazing but he isn't afraid to improv a little bit and he also isn't concerned with making all of the notes exactly like they are on the album a lot of room for his character to come through on his performance. For that, BTFW is a perfect JLB performance.
I'm only to the Shattered fortress and holy shit is mangini kill it
Mangini made me dig the song. Before this release, The Shattered Fortress was only meh in my book but once I watched him play the shit out of the tune, it grew immensely.
Yeah....I never really cared for TSF all too much....just thought it was a re-hash mish mash but man does it come across great live! It's a whole different song live IMO...
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I agree completely!!! Never cared for it too much but now....
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I know this may have been discussed earlier, but does anyone have any idea how much of james' vocals were touched up or redone?
I think on Score James was being too "careful". They were still only two years removed from their discussion over the lack of quality performances so I think he just tried real hard to hit the notes. With that said, I think it sacrificed alot of the emotion in his voice.
With BTFW, it is the best of both worlds. He sounds fucking amazing but he isn't afraid to improv a little bit and he also isn't concerned with making all of the notes exactly like they are on the album a lot of room for his character to come through on his performance. For that, BTFW is a perfect JLB performance.
How on earth is that an answer to wolfking's question? :lol
To answer the original question, his voice broke during the high part in IT, so they definitely dubbed that part. Also, he's off-pitch in sections on the bootleg, they pitch-shifted those parts.
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Oh yeah? Well, I liked The Shattered Fortress before it was cool! :millahhhh
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I know this may have been discussed earlier, but does anyone have any idea how much of james' vocals were touched up or redone?
I think on Score James was being too "careful". They were still only two years removed from their discussion over the lack of quality performances so I think he just tried real hard to hit the notes. With that said, I think it sacrificed alot of the emotion in his voice.
With BTFW, it is the best of both worlds. He sounds fucking amazing but he isn't afraid to improv a little bit and he also isn't concerned with making all of the notes exactly like they are on the album a lot of room for his character to come through on his performance. For that, BTFW is a perfect JLB performance.
How on earth is that an answer to wolfking's question? :lol
To answer the original question, his voice broke during the high part in IT, so they definitely dubbed that part. Also, he's off-pitch in sections on the bootleg, they pitch-shifted those parts.
Thanks rumbo. Yeah, the end of IT was made me ask the question. There is one line that you can clearly tell is overdubbed. I couldn't really see any other significant instances though.
A very good reason for you to pass to BR!! :tup
That is actually a decent reason. It was annoying as the price was way more expensive than just a normal DVD for some reason.
Does anyone have any idea the reasoning behind the 2 DVD's?
I believe it has a PCM stereo track, which is uncompressed, which means it has better quality audio, but on the downside, it takes up more storage space. Score also had PCM stereo, and as a result the video quality suffered for fitting a nearly 3 hour concert on one disc. BFTW would likely have similarly suffered had they fit it all on one disc.
So it was done for the sake of maintaining both video and audio quality, with the compromise of splitting the show over two discs.
Makes sense, thanks Blob. At least we got this bad boy on the release date this time. :metal
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I know this may have been discussed earlier, but does anyone have any idea how much of james' vocals were touched up or redone?
I think on Score James was being too "careful". They were still only two years removed from their discussion over the lack of quality performances so I think he just tried real hard to hit the notes. With that said, I think it sacrificed alot of the emotion in his voice.
With BTFW, it is the best of both worlds. He sounds fucking amazing but he isn't afraid to improv a little bit and he also isn't concerned with making all of the notes exactly like they are on the album a lot of room for his character to come through on his performance. For that, BTFW is a perfect JLB performance.
How on earth is that an answer to wolfking's question? :lol
To answer the original question, his voice broke during the high part in IT, so they definitely dubbed that part. Also, he's off-pitch in sections on the bootleg, they pitch-shifted those parts.
Holy shit, I had the full intention of answering that and got the quotes fucked up and left one out :lol
But yeah, I was going to say that general consensus is that James's vocals were touched relatively minorly. Some say pitch correction was used in a few places and others cant tell the difference (me being one of them)
So anyway, my original comment was supposed to be in response to whether James had a better performance on Score or BTFW
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It's definitely touched up here and there but judging from bootlegs, it's really minor. JLB did a great job on this tour.
I can be a bit of a purist with this kind of thing.. but I'm just enjoying the hell out of this DVD. Everyone touches up their shit and DT have the right to do the same.
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It's definitely touched up here and there but judging from bootlegs, it's really minor. JLB did a great job on this tour.
I can be a bit of a purist with this kind of thing.. but I'm just enjoying the hell out of this DVD. Everyone touches up their shit and DT have the right to do the same.
Exactly. Every live DVD by every band is doctored to some degree.
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It's definitely touched up here and there but judging from bootlegs, it's really minor. JLB did a great job on this tour.
I can be a bit of a purist with this kind of thing.. but I'm just enjoying the hell out of this DVD. Everyone touches up their shit and DT have the right to do the same.
Exactly. Every live DVD by every band is doctored to some degree.
I wouldn't say every single DVD by every band is altered.
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I get what you're saying. But it is common practice. A music professor once told us in class that there are absolutely no 'ethics' in creating music. People will do everything within their power to make their music sound 'better'.
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Why are people put off by this. It's been done since I was a wee lad (A loooong time ago). Bands will always do this. Buy a boot if you want of key singing.
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Awake set is so damn good! This might end up being my absolute favorite.. I'd have to check LSFNY and Score again but at the moment this is amazing. That JLB after twenty years is still able to sing these ridiculous Awake vocal acrobatics, amazing.
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And he's really pushing it too...not only hitting the right notes but extending some of them and singing CONFIDENTLY from beginning to end of the show. And he's putting even more effort in entertaining the crowd than in the previous tour. He was on fire last night! There were some guys next to me who had only seen DT on the SysChaos tour, and they had that "wtf look" on their faces every time LaBrie screamed.
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Makes sense, thanks Blob. At least we got this bad boy on the release date this time. :metal
Yes! :metal Although to be fair, our release date was also a week later than everyone else. I didn't check on the Friday of release, but on Sunday I found it easily. I think the RR stuff is very reliable, whereas LALP wasn't released by RR.
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Finding so many more nuances that make it so much more epic in the audio compared to the Blu-Ray! It's insane how much more I pick up when Im not stimulating my brain with something visual! It makes this so much better!
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Does anyone know if BTFW will be released on Spotify in Sweden, or will this be like LALP that wasn't released since it wasn't an official CD, just a BR/DVD that came with CD's (my personal guess why LALP wasn't released on Spotify)?
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It's not on Spotify in the UK either. :(
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Just wanted to mention James' crazy scream at the end of Lie, just amazing! The Mirror/Lie could be my fav part of the whole DVD.
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FInally watched IT last night and.... mind blown. Simply amazing. :metal
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Listening to the show sitting in an airport right now
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that JLB's 'BAASTN' sounds great...
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Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
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I couldn't help it. I danced.
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Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
James really added up at the second European leg, I was at the last concert of that in Turkey. He sounded a little crispy but he defiantely added up a lot of different parts to his vocals. Didn't think he'd get this better at the South American tour, he got me wrong again! I really hope that they'll release a bootleg of a concert from there, would be as popular as BTFW I guess.
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Yeah, it would be amazing if we got a sweaty South American show as a Christmas gift. :D
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James Labrie is just ridiculous... (in a good way) For the last few tours he has just gotten better and better throughout and always peaked near the end. No fatigue or anything, his voice is just so strong and durable nowadays.
Part of me thinks it's a shame they recorded the live release so early in the tour.
Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
And wow..that scream at the end is something I would expect from 1993, not 2014 :D Makes me so happy to see JLB ripping it up like that.
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Just chiming in to say James sounds amazing on the Phoenix 3-6-06 bootleg, so Score wasn't just a fluke. Wish I could have been there, but I wasn't a fan at that time. In fact, I don't think I even knew they existed at that time. Set list was pretty awesome too, but no 6DOIT.
Also, that's March, you crazy Europeans.
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Just chiming in to say James sounds amazing on the Phoenix 3-6-06 bootleg, so Score wasn't just a fluke.
James was great on that tour.
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JLB was the absolute MVP of the "Along For The Ride" tour. Kudos. :metal
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JLB was the absolute MVP of the "Along For The Ride" tour. Kudos. :metal
MM might have something to say about that.
The reality is the entire band was top notch this tour and it showed in the film and from pretty much everyone's concert experiences.
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Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
Ok, I know South American fans get into the performance more, but the singing of keyboard lines was a bit ... silly.
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That's why we're so great: we're not afraid of looking silly at a concert!
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That Rio de Janeiro performance was cool! They're already playing stuff different from BTFW, especially Mangini. That's one thing that sticks out about this tour. Even though they're playing a fixed set, everyone is feeling free to play things differently here and there. And as far as JLB is concerned, his improvs were often a bit awkward, but he's feeling very comfortable and it shows. His improvs are actually cool nowadays.
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Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
Ok, I know South American fans get into the performance more, but the singing of keyboard lines was a bit ... silly.
Dude, not silly at all. Fucking awesome is more like it.
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Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
Ok, I know South American fans get into the performance more, but the singing of keyboard lines was a bit ... silly.
lol
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I'd love to go to a DT show in South America ;D :metal
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BTFW audio available on iTunes now for $14.99! Just purchased my copy.
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Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
Ok, I know South American fans get into the performance more, but the singing of keyboard lines was a bit ... silly.
That's how all concerts should be.
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Ok, I know South American fans get into the performance more, but the singing of keyboard lines was a bit ... silly.
That's how all concerts should be.
Silly? :biggrin:
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Ok, I know South American fans get into the performance more, but the singing of keyboard lines was a bit ... silly.
That's how all concerts should be.
Silly? :biggrin:
Oh you.
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Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
Goddammit Mangini cut that hair off. Even he can't stand it :lol
BTW the singing every melody or solo kind of annoys me. I think there are melodies that are cool for singing them, like that start of the mirror or the choir part in otboa, among others. But anyway, it's pretty fun being in a show here in southamerica.
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Check out this JLB performance of TheMirror/Lie.
Better even than the one from BTFW, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sC5RMdK_o
Ok, I know South American fans get into the performance more, but the singing of keyboard lines was a bit ... silly.
That's how all concerts should be.
Filled with a lot of passion and enthusiasm, which is more than I can say about a broad crowd (of any band really) in the states. At least, you know that the crowd is heavily invested in the show and that's a great thing.
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Ok, I know South American fans get into the performance more, but the singing of keyboard lines was a bit ... silly.
That's how all concerts should be.
Silly? :biggrin:
On second thought let's not go to that Dream Theater concert; tis a silly place.
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:rollin
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Not sure if this has been posted, but I really don't like what Jordan did at the end of The Mirror. The original arrangement was perfect.
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Not sure if this has been posted, but I really don't like what Jordan did at the end of The Mirror. The original arrangement was perfect.
Jordan has been soloing over the end of The Mirror for 14 years.
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Personally, I think Jordan's solo over the end of The Mirror is perfect! It's just what the song needed and his ratio of wailing to wheedling is tasty.
And, again I know I sound like a broken record, but at this point is anyone really surprised?! Hoping that Jordan stops shredding in DT songs is the height of futility. It's been 15 years since he joined the band folks, the wheedling will continue.
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Sad, but true. However, in a song like The Mirror, it's just kind of tasteless, since that is normally a song without any kind of real solo, and it should have been left that way. The jam at the end that leads into Lie is so freaking awesome, and turning it into a wank fast, while expected at this point, it still kind of a shame. I still enjoy the hell out of The Mirror on there cause the rest of it is so awesome, but that unnecessary solo does make me wince.
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If by "kind of a shame" you mean, "turned it into a total awesomefest," then I wholeheartedly agree.
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:lol
Trust in bosk1
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I am pretty sure that is not what I meant. :lol :lol
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Not sure if this has been posted, but I really don't like what Jordan did at the end of The Mirror. The original arrangement was perfect.
That was my first thought when I heard that. It grew on my a bit so I dont mind it. I also think his solo sound is a little off putting on that song but not that big of a deal overall.
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If by "kind of a shame" you mean, "turned it into a total awesomefest," then I wholeheartedly agree.
This. It's a live show. I say doing things slightly differently is encouraged!
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Sad, but true. However, in a song like The Mirror, it's just kind of tasteless, since that is normally a song without any kind of real solo, and it should have been left that way. The jam at the end that leads into Lie is so freaking awesome, and turning it into a wank fast, while expected at this point, it still kind of a shame. I still enjoy the hell out of The Mirror on there cause the rest of it is so awesome, but that unnecessary solo does make me wince.
I agree with every word of this actually. The Mirror and Lie are probably still my fav part of the DVD, but I love that riff and when Jordan started doing his bullshit solo over the top, I was deflated. Absolutely no need for it whatsoever.
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My dvd only just arrived today, and I haven't gotten to watch much yet (just The Mirror/Lie and Scarred). I'm thrilled a Mirror/Lie performance has been officially released. I did not like the graphics over Scarred however; I'm hoping the rest of the concert is clear of those sort of "distractions". The venue looks really awesome; I love old theaters, they have character that modern venues lack.
I have a major gripe with the disc tray in the case. It didn't want to let me remove Disc 2, and then I couldn't get it back into its tray. It fits extremely tight, and I don't want to force it for fear of cracking the inner ring of the disc.
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I have a major gripe with the disc tray in the case. It didn't want to let me remove Disc 2, and then I couldn't get it back into its tray. It fits extremely tight, and I don't want to force it for fear of cracking the inner ring of the disc.
Yeah, that's a fear that I have as well with the case. I would have preferred it if the packaging spaced the discs a little more further from each other.
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What's with the drawn out "I'll tryyyyyyy" on Lie??? Sounds like a whiny teenager.
Dat drum solo in E.M. tho :metal Genius.
Disagree with another BAI. With all of those albums, something else should have been played.
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What's with the drawn out "I'll tryyyyyyy" on Lie??? Sounds like a whiny teenager.
Well, the lyrics were written by KM, and he basically was a whiny teenager. :lol
Seriously though, I thought it was cool.
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What's with the drawn out "I'll tryyyyyyy" on Lie??? Sounds like a whiny teenager.
Well, the lyrics were written by KM, and he basically was a whiny teenager. :lol
Seriously though, I thought it was cool.
It's different, I noticed it, but thought there was nothing really wrong with it.
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I really like James´ over the top "I´ll try...I swear I´ll tryyyy..oaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!"
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What's with the drawn out "I'll tryyyyyyy" on Lie??? Sounds like a whiny teenager.
Well, the lyrics were written by KM, and he basically was a whiny teenager. :lol
:lol Maybe he's just in character, like when he girlishly sings the "I'll break free of the Miracle, it's time for him to goouuuuaaaaoooh" to channel Victoria. For some reason that line (beginning at "Feeling good this Friday afternoon...") is one of my all-time favorite JLB parts and I find myself singing it more often than anything else.
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What's with the drawn out "I'll tryyyyyyy" on Lie??? Sounds like a whiny teenager.
Well, the lyrics were written by KM, and he basically was a whiny teenager. :lol
:lol Maybe he's just in character, like when he girlishly sings the "I'll break free of the Miracle, it's time for him to goouuuuaaaaoooh" to channel Victoria. For some reason that line (beginning at "Feeling good this Friday afternoon...") is one of my all-time favorite JLB parts and I find myself singing it more often than anything else.
Seconded. I like the way he sings the line too. It's great!
B.Lee
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The end of Finally Free was a letdown for me. I was expecting some killer MM fills!
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I don't remember if this was discussed before, but the cowbell in strange deja vu isn't there in the dvd.
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It definitely is. I've watched it on the DVD.
However. I will double check when I get home and report back ! :P
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Thoght I'd share my thoughts,
I first watched it on my TV,and I have to say I was disappointed with the overall sound even after I made alot of tweaks.I rewatched it today on my pc with headphones on the pcm setting,and I was blown away for the most part.
Now a short review;
Act I:
I was a little disappointed with the mix .JL's vocals were too low,JP was too loud.They seemed to have made some adjustments in ActII though.Never cared much for Shattered Fortress or most of that album in general.the beginning of the song was a bit muddied to me.Couldn't make out most of the main riff.but it ended up translating pretty well.The rest of the first set was pure bliss.
ActII:
Like I said they seemed to have fixed the mix in this set.That being said Awake is probably my second least favorite album,but I think the songs came across great live.Did they do some improvisation during these songs?Not sure I don't know them all that well.Illumination Theory was killer in my opnion.
Encore:
SFAM is my favorite DT album so I was real pleased with this set.I wish they would play the entire peice next tour.I think the choir,and orchestra blended great,and actually added to the set.I've often said if Beetoven was alive today his music would sound like DT minus the vocals of course.
Final Thoughts:
Probably my favorite DT video yet.JL"s vocals were spot on.I like that JM is playing pedals!MM is a monster,and it seemed he was alot more comfortable this time out.JR,and JP were amazing as usual.As far as JR's Zen Riffer,Greg Guffria used to use something similar back in the 70'S. Anyone remember that?Anyway I love it!
Last thing.What's up with the damn taxi cab?
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Last thing.What's up with the damn taxi cab?
It´s a reference to the classic Joe Le Taxi, by Vanessa Paradis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulay2FvUEd8
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But of course :lol
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Last thing.What's up with the damn taxi cab?
It's because we're Along for the Ride... get it? They've been doing cheesy crap like that since 2005-2009 depending on the broadness of your definition.
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How is the taxi cheesy?
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Just bought the deluxe edition. Be good to have this on the 3 CDs. Surprised Amazon are not selling this version. Ordered it from DT store. Anyone else in the UK bought this? Just wondering how long I will need to wait before I receive it in the post.
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When I first saw the Taxi drive up to that house, I was like, "Is this the ending of Scenes From A Memory"? :lol
Just bought the deluxe edition. Be good to have this on the 3 CDs. Surprised Amazon are not selling this version. Ordered it from DT store. Anyone else in the UK bought this? Just wondering how long I will need to wait before I receive it in the post.
I was gonna do that, but instead, I bought the regular blu-ray and the HD Tracks version of the album. And I still ended up saving money, given that the RR website was gonna charge me $15 for shipping.
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I liked the Taxi scenes. I liked it all. Great show from the whole band and the symphony did great too.
Well done, Dream Theater. :tup They will never see this, so why am I addressing them?
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There are some moments in the album where JR is playing the exact same thing as the strings, and all I can think is "You really don't have to do that, Jordan." Sometimes the keyboards drown out the strings when they're playing the exact same thing. I'd rather have the real instruments, tbh, so that was a very small negative for me.
maybe it was that I set it to Dolby Audio but I could barely hear the orchestra/choir at all.
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I was wondering whether Jordan was afraid that something might go wrong with the orchestra recording. If he didn't play anything, there might not be anything at all to put on the DVD.
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I was wondering whether Jordan was afraid that something might go wrong with the orchestra recording. If he didn't play anything, there might not be anything at all to put on the DVD.
Doesn't mean they can't adjust the mix if everything went right.
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Last thing.What's up with the damn taxi cab?
It's all from the DT12 booklet art. And also fits with the "Along For The Ride" tour concept.
I was wondering whether Jordan was afraid that something might go wrong with the orchestra recording. If he didn't play anything, there might not be anything at all to put on the DVD.
There's no reason he shouldn't play anyway. To change up what you're playing or change the patches for a one-off show isn't worth the trouble and risk, and it doesn't matter when they can just mix it appropriately after the fact to use the orchestra for those sections instead. And a lot of people said the strings weren't very audible on the night, so it would have sounded bare.
I'm wondering whether the live performers recorded well, because they're not that to me on BTFW, including the mid section of IT. Same with the choir. There are points where they are singing along to lyrical passages, but I don't really hear them. The points where I hear strings/choir are predominantly synth from what I recall.
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Well, I've tried everything I can but I just can't do it. I can't rip the audo from my Blu-ray version (yes I have a Blu-ray drive ;)).
It really bugs me cuz I've done it before on several of my concert Blu-rays but it's been so long since I've done it I've forgotten how I did it.
I'm going to have to purchase the songs digitally so that gives me iTunes for $14.99 or HDTracks for $26.98 (take 15% off that with coupon code). I've never done HDTracks before and people seem to have analyzed them and I've heard everything from "totally worth it" to "total ass".
Could I get a final quick opinion on which digital version to get? Of course I'd rather have the lossless FLACs but the quality isn't really any better than the iTunes mp3 then I can save a few bucks.
OR... if anyone can give me a solution to ripping the audio that would be my first choice.
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Just started going through another watch and this is so good and amazing. TSF slays and the ADTOE songs are way better here than LALP.
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This thing deserves a cd release more than Luna Park ever did.
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This thing deserves a cd release more than Luna Park ever did.
Yes! I want that album on my spotify.
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TSF slays and the ADTOE songs are way better here than LALP.
BAI, Fourth Wall > BAI, Luna Park
OTBOA, Fourth Wall < OTBOA, Luna Park
I had trouble reconciling which ones I prefer but I think I'm more inclined to the LP version of OTBOA and BAI seems more refined on BTFW.
The end of Finally Free was a letdown for me. I was expecting some killer MM fills!
I fully understand. I got real anti-climaxed there. :lol I think it's cause I expected something a bit more crazy and intense I guess. Still an awesome version of this song though.
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I could be wrong, but I think MM has stepped up now at the end of Finally Free. At the show last Sunday he did some good fills in it, although not as flashy as MP's.
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MM must be saying "Come on, I just played a fill with a different time signature played on top of the 4/4 Finally Free normal time signature, I have been playing like crazy since the start, I have given my soul up to play those crazy fills in The Shattered Fortress and to play a 20-minute epic perfectly, and you are still complaining about me not doing amazing fills by the end of this very long show?" :lol
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BAI, Fourth Wall > BAI, Luna Park
OTBOA, Fourth Wall < OTBOA, Luna Park
I had trouble reconciling which ones I prefer but I think I'm more inclined to the LP version of OTBOA and BAI seems more refined on BTFW.
Well, I'd say OTBOA isn't really that spectacular of a song in the first place, so there wasn't THAT much lost in the LP version, BUT, in the LP version, JLB did end it so, so much better, and ultimately, that's what really sells that version for me. Every time I listen to the BTFW version, I hear the end of OTBOA and I just yearn to hear JLB go up during that part again. But alas, it doesn't happen.
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Well, I've tried everything I can but I just can't do it. I can't rip the audo from my Blu-ray version (yes I have a Blu-ray drive ;)).
It really bugs me cuz I've done it before on several of my concert Blu-rays but it's been so long since I've done it I've forgotten how I did it.
I'm going to have to purchase the songs digitally so that gives me iTunes for $14.99 or HDTracks for $26.98 (take 15% off that with coupon code). I've never done HDTracks before and people seem to have analyzed them and I've heard everything from "totally worth it" to "total ass".
Could I get a final quick opinion on which digital version to get? Of course I'd rather have the lossless FLACs but the quality isn't really any better than the iTunes mp3 then I can save a few bucks.
OR... if anyone can give me a solution to ripping the audio that would be my first choice.
I use software called "Handbrake" to make individual video tracks in mp4 format. I then convert the mp4 to mp3 with a conversion program. There might be better ways to do that, but it works for me. Hope that helps.
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MM must be saying "Come on, I just played a fill with a different time signature played on top of the 4/4 Finally Free normal time signature, I have been playing like crazy since the start, I have given my soul up to play those crazy fills in The Shattered Fortress and to play a 20-minute epic perfectly, and you are still complaining about me not doing amazing fills by the end of this very long show?" :lol
Well, I'm not expected super-fancy fills, far from it, but for me that section is characterised by the drum soloing and off-beat rhythms. Those completely make that section - everything else going on is repetitive and provides a backing for that drum work. So I'll admit that I was quite disappointed when I saw them that he was basically just playing a steady 4/4 with some fills.
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BUT, in the LP version, JLB did end it so, so much better, and ultimately, that's what really sells that version for me. Every time I listen to the BTFW version, I hear the end of OTBOA and I just yearn to hear JLB go up during that part again. But alas, it doesn't happen.
Absolutely, exactly how I feel regarding the ending on Luna Park. :millahhhh
Well, I'm not expected super-fancy fills, far from it, but for me that section is characterised by the drum soloing and off-beat rhythms. Those completely make that section - everything else going on is repetitive and provides a backing for that drum work. So I'll admit that I was quite disappointed when I saw them that he was basically just playing a steady 4/4 with some fills.
Yeah, something was just a bit off. Not quite as epic, the drums don't stand out and take the lead there like you'd expect them too in that section. Could be a result of MM still being responsible for the tempo as I believe it's been mentioned that in the past, the other players kept rhythm for that section so that MP could go all out with his fills and it had a somewhat looser feel. I'm probably being overly picky about it, but just speculating on the possible differences as to why it turned out so different. Other than the obvious fact that it's a different person :lol. I guess it was always a stand out MP moment so we were always gonna be exceedingly analytical regarding how MM would interpret it.
MM must be saying "Come on, I just played a fill with a different time signature played on top of the 4/4 Finally Free normal time signature, I have been playing like crazy since the start, I have given my soul up to play those crazy fills in The Shattered Fortress and to play a 20-minute epic perfectly, and you are still complaining about me not doing amazing fills by the end of this very long show?" :lol
Haha, yeah probably. :xbones
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Could be a result of MM still being responsible for the tempo as I believe it's been mentioned that in the past, the other players kept rhythm for that section so that MP could go all out with his fills and it had a somewhat looser feel.
Nah, they use a click-track now, so it won't be that.
I'm probably being overly picky about it, but just speculating on the possible differences as to why it turned out so different. Other than the obvious fact that it's a different person :lol. I guess it was always a stand out MP moment so we were always gonna be exceedingly analytical regarding how MM would interpret it.
I don't feel that I'm particularly picky - I haven't felt that way about anything else and I love it when people do something a bit different. Indeed, if anything it'd be nice to see MM change things up a bit more. It's just that section in particular. Without the cool off-beat rhythms, it's just a very bland, repetitive section, in my opinion.
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AFAIK, MM is the only one who hears the click, so he is still keeping everyone else in time.
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Is that so? I assumed that while they might not have the click on at all times like MM will have, they will have it for certain sections where MM doesn't play. E.g. Finally Free has a long section with MM doing nothing.
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Is that so? I assumed that while they might not have the click on at all times like MM will have, they will have it for certain sections where MM doesn't play. E.g. Finally Free has a long section with MM doing nothing.
Maybe. I'm under the assumption that MM was using the invisible cowbell.
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Is that so? I assumed that while they might not have the click on at all times like MM will have, they will have it for certain sections where MM doesn't play. E.g. Finally Free has a long section with MM doing nothing.
Yeah I assumed that was the case too. In fact, it wouldn't make sense otherwise, because if they got slightly out of sync when MM isn't playing then it would be a mess when he came back in.
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Is that so? I assumed that while they might not have the click on at all times like MM will have, they will have it for certain sections where MM doesn't play. E.g. Finally Free has a long section with MM doing nothing.
Maybe. I'm under the assumption that MM was using the invisible cowbell.
Same here.
Could be wrong.
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Could be wrong.
I'm not willing to believe that...I don't like my illusions shattered.
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Could be wrong.
I'm not willing to believe that...I don't like my illusions shattered.
Don't you mean broken? :neverusethis:
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(https://home.comcast.net/~gregg-townsend/banned.jpg)
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Could be wrong.
I'm not willing to believe that...I don't like my illusions shattered.
Oh, I meant the information could be wrong. Not that I personally could be wrong.
(https://home.comcast.net/~gregg-townsend/banned.jpg)
Ah, yes.
lol
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I ordered the blu-ray 3cd edition last night and successfully downloaded TLG. Has anyone else had problems downloading the digital album? Mine says expired. Only ordered it yesterday.
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I use software called "Handbrake" to make individual video tracks in mp4 format. I then convert the mp4 to mp3 with a conversion program. There might be better ways to do that, but it works for me. Hope that helps.
That worked, thanks very much. :)
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I use software called "Handbrake" to make individual video tracks in mp4 format. I then convert the mp4 to mp3 with a conversion program. There might be better ways to do that, but it works for me. Hope that helps.
There are much better ways to do this, because you're taking (presumably) lossless audio and converting it to AAC then again to MP3. This strips a hell of a lot of clarity from the audio.
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Every time a new Dream Theater DVD comes out, people wonder if LaBrie will touch or surpass his performance on Score. Personally, I don't think it will ever happen, and it doesn't have to - LaBrie is awesome anyway. I'll be getting this very soon. :metal
I couldn't agree more dude, I was at the score show and his performance was perfect. I had seen him struggle in years passed at shows but that night was magical. I have never seen so many smiles from the guys. This latest Blu-ray I am for once waiting to pull the trigger as I was disappointed with the Luna Park DVD so now I'm gun shy. From what I am hearing this one is way better, and the set list is great so I'm sure I have pick it up soon.
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Well, I'd say LaBrie's performance is better than Score on both LALP and BTFW. Score is awesome, no denying that but it comes to me the Score setlist fits his voice style that he used these days. Much more clean and powerful at hitting high notes. But now, starting with ADTOE tours he's been using his wild-ish style that he used to have back in 92-96 with much more control. He knows his limits and uses them just perfect, IMO.
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I use software called "Handbrake" to make individual video tracks in mp4 format. I then convert the mp4 to mp3 with a conversion program. There might be better ways to do that, but it works for me. Hope that helps.
There are much better ways to do this, because you're taking (presumably) lossless audio and converting it to AAC then again to MP3. This strips a hell of a lot of clarity from the audio.
Yes, the quality is affected. I normally don't listen to the audio only on the video releases, it's just to have it if needed.
I would be interested in hearing another way of doing it that would result in better quality. Perhaps you could share your method?
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I would use eac3to to extract the lossless audio and compress it once to my desired format.
eac3to is a command like tool. Don't know about a GUI solution.
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Being that I don't have a BD drive I don't know how effective the ripping process is and how bad the copy protection on BDs are, but judging from the pirates doing a lossless rip is totally viable. I believe that most people typically rip the video to an MKV file, which I would then run through a demux program to get the WAV sound off of.
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Watched it twice now and want to see it again, I have a new addiction!! I've read some complaints about the sound. No issues here, sounds great to me and captures a good live feel. I just play it through the stereo sound (not 5.1 or 7.1) and a HDTV. The picture quality is very good and colorful. I wish they would get a few more stage shots though as the lighting and production was great on this tour, but that's minor. I'm just greatful to be able to enjoy a kick ass Dream Theater concert in my living room with all this modern technology doing it near justice. The next best thing to actually being there at the show. Well done DT, a great treasure to have and you all are amazing at your craft.
I think the highlight for me is Illumination Theory, just stunning!!! the only thing I miss on this release is The Bigger Picture, might be my fav track on the new album and just a beautiful song..
It's easy to drink alot of beer throughout the course of this show ;)
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Well, I'd say LaBrie's performance is better than Score on both LALP and BTFW. Score is awesome, no denying that but it comes to me the Score setlist fits his voice style that he used these days. Much more clean and powerful at hitting high notes. But now, starting with ADTOE tours he's been using his wild-ish style that he used to have back in 92-96 with much more control. He knows his limits and uses them just perfect, IMO.
Agree 100%
There is nothing wrong with Score per se, but it does lack that "wild-ishness" from earlier LaBrie. Now his performances are as consistent as they were between 2004-2010 AND he is a lot more free in his singing, improvising occasionally, and generally has a more full sound.
I will gladly take 2014 LaBrie over any other era even though he can hit those ungodly high soaring notes like from Live at Marquee, but everything else MORE than makes up for it.
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Yeah, his performance on Score was one of the most consistent ones I've heard from him, but it was entirely safe, and like I mentioned, his stage presence and the way he carried himself on stage left much to be desired.
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He's performing with way more personality. A direct result of MP leaving.
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A direct result of MP leaving.
Somehow I doubt this. A lot.
Blob?
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He's stated that he prefers being the "uncontested" frontman - something that happened when MP left. It's entirely possible that his improved stage presence is a result of this.
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That's another good positive about the current DVD compared to Score. In BTFW, he seemed to be pepped up a good amount, and did a fine job of trying to engage with the crowd. I don't think he would have said something like "Who dances to the Mirror?" in Score.
I just think the difference maker of the two is mainly the beard.
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He's performing with way more personality. A direct result of MP leaving.
I don't see that much difference. JLB has always been ok.
MP was the biggest natural "performer" in the band in that regard, but it's not that he ever held JLB back, he just stood out among the rest of DT. Maybe JLB just seems to have more personality by comparison now.
I just think the difference maker of the two is mainly the beard.
You can never underestimate the power of beard.
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For me, the Act II and Encore of BTFW are amazing, and the best parts of the DVD. Still, I think the orchestra should be more relevant and distinguished in the mix. I could barely notice the difference during the SFAM songs. Illumination Theory, in the other hand, benefits a lot from the choir and orchestra.
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Labrie's got that Tokyo 93 swagger back.
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Labrie's got that Tokyo 93 swagger back.
DT's got their swag back
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That's another good positive about the current DVD compared to Score. In BTFW, he seemed to be pepped up a good amount, and did a fine job of trying to engage with the crowd. I don't think he would have said something like "Who dances to the Mirror?" in Score.
I just think the difference maker of the two is mainly the beard.
Before, it always seemed like he was being held back. His banter would occasionally give us some especially special gems, but if you check out clips from old shows, he only ever spoke to the audience in specific spots almost every night. For instance, after the second song he would usually say, "Hello (name of city) how are we doing tonight? We've got a great show for you blah blah blah..." Edit: Just to clarify, it seemed to me like he was being told "You can only speak in between these songs..."
Now he cuts loose, he engages the audience more, even if it is for the most part just more "Boston let me hear you!!!" We still get some great stuff like his rant in Chicago about people putting their cell phones away and just enjoying the show, cracking jokes with JP (like when JP walked over to him mid sentence and James froze with a scared look on his face and said, "Am I about to be pummeled?" )
I've said it before and I'll say it again, (it seems like the same people on this board are just a broken record of their same old opinion), I don't see how Mike Portnoy was considered this amazing performer. Sure he was fun to watch but so is Mike Mangini. The only difference was Portnoy was constantly standing up, pointing at the crowd and raising his hands to prompt the audience. Nothing wrong with that sometimes unless it becomes a distraction (which it did sometimes)
Labrie's got that Tokyo 93 swagger back.
DT's got their swag back
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This makes me hungry for cotton candy
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Given the context that's kind of weird.
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Given the context that's kind of weird.
I'm ok with that
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Hello guys.
I still hesitate for buying the digital album version of BTFW.
The sound quality is really great ??
Thanks for your answers!! :yarr
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^^^ I'd go for full concert with video as opposed to only having audio but to answer your question; I'd say yes, sound quality is perfectly fine on digital version.
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I don't like the sound on any.
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It's got a more genuine sounding live feel to it. There's a reverb on it that definitely gives it the impression of being at a concert. I found that apart from the occasional crowd noise, a lot of DT's other live albums tend to have a very dry almost studio quality sound. Not that I particularly minded, and not like it was COMPLETELY dry. But with this album, just listening to it definitely evokes a stronger feeling of being at a concert.
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Actually, it could have just been the crappy audio equipment/lineage I have going here, but I was often looking for more of that. Like Score. I like that it sounds like a boot.
Also, I've never seen such horrible compression. I can hardly stand it. It might be worse than the live sound.
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This is the best Dream Theater bluray/dvd I've seen. Of course it has its flaws but the sound and visuals surely make up for it.
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Got a couple of points of discussion; First,why is it called breaking the fourth wall?Also,it seems that I saw JP playing a seven string during at least part of SFAM.It wasn't recorded that way was it?Lastly JR's Zen Riffer looks like something that other Keyboardist played in the 70's.Greg Guffria,Gary Wright.Is there a difference?
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Got a couple of points of discussion; First,why is it called breaking the fourth wall?Also,it seems that I saw JP playing a seven string during at least part of SFAM.It wasn't recorded that way was it?Lastly JR's Zen Riffer looks like something that other Keyboardist played in the 70's.Greg Guffria,Gary Wright.Is there a difference?
I believe The Dance of Eternity was recorded with a 7 string, or at least it goes low enough for one. The rest of the SFAM songs they played on the live album would be in standard tuning, from what I recall.
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Got a couple of points of discussion; First,why is it called breaking the fourth wall?Also,it seems that I saw JP playing a seven string during at least part of SFAM.It wasn't recorded that way was it?Lastly JR's Zen Riffer looks like something that other Keyboardist played in the 70's.Greg Guffria,Gary Wright.Is there a difference?
I believe The Dance of Eternity was recorded with a 7 string, or at least it goes low enough for one. The rest of the SFAM songs they played on the live album would be in standard tuning, from what I recall.
I think he meant the beginning of Finally Free. That song doesn't feature 7-string, but JP plays the intro with one because it directly follow TDOE with no break.
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Got a couple of points of discussion; First,why is it called breaking the fourth wall?
It's a theater term:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall
After all, the DVD was shot in an opera house.
Lastly JR's Zen Riffer looks like something that other Keyboardist played in the 70's.Greg Guffria,Gary Wright.Is there a difference?
You will likely hear passionate rebuttals here because keytars are usually made fun of these days, but yes, it's really just a modern keytar.
What's funny is, if you do an image search for "Zen Riffer", it seems there is exactly one person playing it: Jordan Rudess.
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Just played the Blu Ray for the first time - fabulous! DT triumphant and top of their game, Illumination Theory made me very emotional - love it. ;D
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I never got why keytars were so mocked. Granted, most of the people who make fun them are critics (see: dopes) or music fans who hate almost any kind of arty rock (see: dork hipsters who listen to Elvis Costello), but a keytar is basically a device that enables a keyboard player to get from behind his immobile place during a concert and have fun with the crowd a bit. What's wrong with that? Also, Peter Gabriel once used a keytar, so that automatically disqualifies the cheese factor. :coolio
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Plus, Rudess' keytar looks cool.
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You guys can give all the rational arguments you want, but then there's this video:
https://youtu.be/-jpr3oe96JU
Sometimes a path is so scorched, it shan't recover.
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Sometimes a path is so scorched, it shan't recover.
Well, there's always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbtw6x1Ozz4
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I would really like to get the BR+3 CDs version, but what are they waiting to sell it in a way we European Fans can get it easily and cheaper? Amazon or whatever?
If they did a de lux pack or so, why sell it only to a part of your potential public and not to everyone? Also financially it doesn't make much sense, i.e. No scale economy.
Ok for the first days, pre-orders on their website etc., but now it's time to sell it worldwide.
Few people like to pay extra delivery costs + customs plus wait weeks to get it...
Maybe we have to wait XMas offers?
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Still really think we're not being told the whole story about the orchestra. You can see the viola? (iirc) guy really going for it in the DT shirt, on parts of overture and it's just not there. And Finally free... those fakey female backing vocals.... why?!?! why?!?! It seems to me the orchestra/choir is nothing but a gimmick for sales of the dvd at this point. A Massively wasted opportunity. If the orchestra diddn't record well, why give them so much screen time? A shame, because apart from this, I really think it's DTs best show in a long time!!!
Can anyone who was at the show confirm we're missing a lot of what was actually played on the night?
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The people who were there (myself included) have repeatedly said that, outside of The Embracing Circle, you couldn't hear jack. I believe it was something to do with incompetent sound engineers that have never heard of a counterclockwise motion.
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Still really think we're not being told the whole story about the orchestra. You can see the viola? (iirc) guy really going for it in the DT shirt, on parts of overture and it's just not there. And Finally free... those fakey female backing vocals.... why?!?! why?!?! It seems to me the orchestra/choir is nothing but a gimmick for sales of the dvd at this point. A Massively wasted opportunity. If the orchestra diddn't record well, why give them so much screen time? A shame, because apart from this, I really think it's DTs best show in a long time!!!
Can anyone who was at the show confirm we're missing a lot of what was actually played on the night?
I don't think it's a gimmick for DVD sales, I think it was supposed to be something special to add to those songs for a one off show, but it didn't record well, so they were mixed very low or even absent.
It would have been weird to try and hide their appearance on the DVD though. Even if they're not present in the mix, the visual presence of the orchestra still adds to the experience imo.
I suspect the recordings didn't turn out well enough for whatever reason, so they had to replace it with keyboards, and mix in the live elements wherever possible.
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People, get over it. You life is not ruined by it. If you don't like the samples and the touch ups, don't watch the damn thing. To quote William Shatner, "Get a life.".
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The orchestra and the choir is very audible to me. When JR does his keyboard patch, I think that mainly enters through the left speaker. That is what I hear.
I hope everybody heard the timpani. :lol
EDIT: Ok I rewatched the vids. I don't think I have seen any shot of the orchestra or the choir singing where I can not hear a sound that I can not imagine is coming from them. Am I missing something?
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No.
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I gotta be honest, for me the whole raison d'etre of the orchestra is IT. And that's totally fine with me. The rest, well, I think they simply realized that having a whole orchestra for one song only is kinda silly, and so they essentially have the orchestra and choir do JR's patches. And inevitably compete with him.
On a grander scheme of things, I would like DT to utilize an orchestra in a more "integrated" way, I.e. by embedding their own instruments into it (as opposed to just have the orchestra fill sonic space), but I'm not holding my breath. In all likelihood, this will have been their last live orchestra thing.
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In all likelihood, this will have been their last live orchestra thing.
One can only hope. Honestly, at this point it's pretty lame performing with an orchestra. The only thing that legitimizes this for me was that it is Berklee and was performed in Boston.
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so they had to replace it with keyboards, and mix in the live elements wherever possible.
sounds to me like that's what happened
The people who were there (myself included) have repeatedly said that, outside of The Embracing Circle, you couldn't hear jack. I believe it was something to do with incompetent sound engineers that have never heard of a counterclockwise motion.
shame. thanks
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People, get over it. You life is not ruined by it. If you don't like the samples and the touch ups, don't watch the damn thing. To quote William Shatner, "Get a life.".
I think that quote is misattributed. I think it was actually Mark Twain but your point still stands.
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Unless Mark Twain did an SNL skit making fun of Trekkies, I'm pretty sure the Shatner attribution is correct.
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Unless Mark Twain did an SNL skit making fun of Trekkies, I'm pretty sure the Shatner attribution is correct.
Mark Twain, Abraham Lincoln, SAME THING!
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Bought the BluRay and watched it.
Good:
+ overall very nice to look at
+ nice and detailled drum sound
+ present keyboards
Bad:
- massive overcompression
- buried vocals and orchestra
- almost inaudible choir
- overall very strange EQ choices
- weakly balanced guitar tone under three layers of blankets
It's a lot like a live DT show standing right next to some bass and midrange speakers.
You're pretty close to the action but it's exhausting and you're drowning in muddy tone.
All in all a huge waste of having an orchestra and a choir. :sadpanda:
Greetings...
Nef
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The more I watch the blu ray, the more I think that the live version of "Space-Dye Vest" is the one of the most beautiful things performed live by DT so far. :chill :chill :chill
Back to this set list, without any song from "Images & Words"... How many bands can afford to let such a "classic album" beside, while still being able to deliver such a killer show ??
This tells you a lot about their genius. :hefdaddy
Ps : Expect to see and hear I&W performed ENTIRELY during the next tour. :metal :corn :tup
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Expect to see and hear I&W performed ENTIRELY during the next tour. :metal :corn :tup
Why?
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I would expect to see the normal I&W song usage next tour. I dont see any reason for them to play most or all of it. Also will depend on whether they do the Evening With format for the next tour. I do expect the other DT12 songs though.
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At least The Bigger Picture should be played on the next tour, considering the amount of praise it got when DT12 was released.
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Expect to see and hear I&W performed ENTIRELY during the next tour. :metal :corn :tup
Why?
Just a feeling. ;D
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I would think FII will have some more prominence the next tour.
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I would think FII will have some more prominence the next tour.
I am holding out hope for a return of Hell's Kitchen. And pairing it up with Lines in the Sand would be amazing.
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I would think FII will have some more prominence the next tour.
I am holding out hope for a return of Hell's Kitchen. And pairing it up with Lines in the Sand would be amazing.
Yea that would be really awesome. If they do that, DT better be ready for another live release.
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I think that if they start touring in 2015 before the new album comes out like they did with ADToE, they might celebrate ACoS and Octavarium (album) as it would have been 20 and 10 years since they respectively came out. Just pure speculation though.
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"This year we're celebrating the anniversary of one of our fan favorites! Could it be that epic from 2005? What about 1995? Or perhaps that amazing tour from 2000?" (Crowd going nuts.) "That's right! The song whose anniversary we're celebrating is... RAW DOG! Yup, released five years ago and can you believe we never played it live?!? And, for this single song, we have a special treat. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, back for one last song, Mike Portnoy and Kevin Moore!"
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Expect to see and hear I&W performed ENTIRELY during the next tour. :metal :corn :tup
Why?
Just a feeling. ;D
A Change of Seasons seems like a safe bet. The only song I wish they'd dig out from I&W is Take the Time.
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"This year we're celebrating the anniversary of one of our fan favorites! Could it be that epic from 2005? What about 1995? Or perhaps that amazing tour from 2000?" (Crowd going nuts.) "That's right! The song whose anniversary we're celebrating is... RAW DOG! Yup, released five years ago and can you believe we never played it live?!? And, for this single song, we have a special treat. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, back for one last song, Mike Portnoy and Kevin Moore!"
:rollin
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Remember when some people were making a fuss about JR making a mistake in his solo in the studio version of AFTR, that is, his first note came in late? I find it funny that that is how JR played it in this live version. Maybe it was not a mistake after all. :p
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I noticed that too! Totally not a mistake. ;)
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I am holding out hope for a return of Hell's Kitchen. And pairing it up with Lines in the Sand would be amazing.
I like you. :tup
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Remember when some people were making a fuss about JR making a mistake in his solo in the studio version of AFTR, that is, his first note came in late? I find it funny that that is how JR played it in this live version. Maybe it was not a mistake after all. :p
My impression always was that it wasn't a mistake and it wasn't late, since he hit the note right on the beat, only it needed to slide up (simulating a Minimoog) from a low, barely audible note, thus it felt like it was late.
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Man im getting old. 10 years on Octovarium next year, That's nuts. Then again I can remember seeing them in 1988 so;;;;;;;;;;;; yeah im old lol
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Remember when some people were making a fuss about JR making a mistake in his solo in the studio version of AFTR, that is, his first note came in late? I find it funny that that is how JR played it in this live version. Maybe it was not a mistake after all. :p
My impression always was that it wasn't a mistake and it wasn't late, since he hit the note right on the beat, only it needed to slide up (simulating a Minimoog) from a low, barely audible note, thus it felt like it was late.
You should see how it was used as a poster child for bad production in one of the threads here. :p
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Remember when some people were making a fuss about JR making a mistake in his solo in the studio version of AFTR, that is, his first note came in late? I find it funny that that is how JR played it in this live version. Maybe it was not a mistake after all. :p
My impression always was that it wasn't a mistake and it wasn't late, since he hit the note right on the beat, only it needed to slide up (simulating a Minimoog) from a low, barely audible note, thus it felt like it was late.
I like the way it comes in after the beat, very proggy.
Still can't believe how many people on a prog forum complain about it :lol
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I would think FII will have some more prominence the next tour.
I am holding out hope for a return of Hell's Kitchen. And pairing it up with Lines in the Sand would be amazing.
That'd be pretty cool.
Though I still say they need to bust out You Not Me!
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Plus, Rudess' keytar looks cool.
It looks like a toy my kids would play with.
I have no problem with it in principle, it just looks shit and tacky. It would be like seeing JP play one of those death metal pointy BC Riches.
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Finally got round to watching it. I'm going to watch it again on the laptop as I've noticed a few saying the sound quality is so much better. My only moan is that I feel that sometimes J P guitar isn't loud enough on some of the songs. Anyone else agree?
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Finally got round to watching it. I'm going to watch it again on the laptop as I've noticed a few saying the sound quality is so much better. My only moan is that I feel that sometimes J P guitar isn't loud enough on some of the songs. Anyone else agree?
We already got a Live at Luna Park for a loud JP :lol
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I think it's refreshing to have a release where the guitars don't overwhelm the mix. The mix on BTFW is their best of the MM era.
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I want to listen to this but I don't have a DVD player, having a MacBook and all lol.
It's also not on iTunes.
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you might want to try HDTracks, with the Mac compatible formats.
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I still can't believe what JP played in the second half of the first solo in Lie. I never thought I would say these words, but he totally ruined it for me. He took what was an interesting and totally unpredictable guitar line and turned it into a plain and boring scale run. For a couple of seconds, you wouldn't be crazy thinking Kirk Hammett was suddenly playing with Dream Theater. I kinda hope he forgot the actual solo and just had to make something up on the spot. The rest of the show is pretty awesome though!
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I still can't believe what JP played in the second half of the first solo in Lie. I never thought I would say these words, but he totally ruined it for me. He took what was an interesting and totally unpredictable guitar line and turned it into a plain and boring scale run. For a couple of seconds, you wouldn't be crazy thinking Kirk Hammett was suddenly playing with Dream Theater. I kinda hope he forgot the actual solo and just had to make something up on the spot. The rest of the show is pretty awesome though!
Are you kidding me? I thought the Lie solo was flawless. Not as in a perfect replica, but one of JPs best moments in the show. He completely kicks arse during that solo and has it down so tight, very intense and very impressive.
I think it's refreshing to have a release where the guitars don't overwhelm the mix. The mix on BTFW is their best of the MM era.
I completely agree. I liked the balance here, but despite this, I still found there were a few moments where I really felt the guitar needed to be cranked just a tad. I can't even remember specifically, just a few moments where the music focuses on the guitar for a passage or riff, I felt like the guitars didn't punch through effectively enough. I don't know what the solution to this would be other that occasionally changing the eq of the mix, which could get messy. But I can sacrifice a few guitar moments to actually hear JR the entire time. :)
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Are you kidding me? I thought the Lie solo was flawless. Not as in a perfect replica, but one of JPs best moments in the show. He completely kicks arse during that solo and has it down so tight, very intense and very impressive.
No, but see, I don't find playing fast notes up a Bm scale to be particularly impressive. I guess I'm just disappointed because he started playing the solo like it's supposed to be played, but then didn't finish it correctly. It's not like he doesn't usually play stuff like it is on the albums, so I didn't expect that ending at all. It is one of my favorite solos as well. :sadpanda:
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you might want to try HDTracks, with the Mac compatible formats.
I want to watch them play.
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you might want to try HDTracks, with the Mac compatible formats.
I want to watch them play.
Get an external BluRay drive.
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Whatever they play from I&W next tour, it better not be Pull Me Under, Surrounded or Metropolis.....I personally am really burnt out on those songs.
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Whatever they play from I&W next tour, it better not be Pull Me Under, Surrounded or Metropolis.....I personally am really burnt out on those songs.
Me too. And I would add Under a Glass Moon to the list.
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Whatever they play from I&W next tour, it better not be Pull Me Under, Surrounded or Metropolis.....I personally am really burnt out on those songs.
Me too. And I would add Under a Glass Moon to the list.
Yeah, plus James totally ruined the last part of the chorus with that scream (TIIIIIMMEEEEE) on the previous tour, which by the way is one of my favorite JLB moments, both in studio and on Score. Pity.
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Learning to Live with James' current performance would be impressive to hear. Also LTL connecting up with WFS would be perfect, I really hope they take that into consideration.
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I think that LtL boils down to how comfortable James is with the prospect of singing it regularly.
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I'm personally not too interested in hearing any IAW song live any time soon. They've kinda been done to death.
I would want to hear some SDOIT stuff, and The Count. And Octavarium.
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I'm personally not too interested in hearing any IAW song live any time soon. They've kinda been done to death.
I would want to hear some SDOIT stuff, and The Count. And Octavarium.
Agree completely Rumbo.
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Another comment regarding the IAW, I personally think JLB actually *doesn't* capture these days anymore what made IAW so great. I mean, I agree that he has settled/evolved his voice in a very good place these days. But the ridiculous ease with which he hit the notes back in the day just isn't there anymore, and that for me makes me lose interest in hearing yet another rendition of the songs.
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The only song I really want to hear from I&W is Take the Time, with the "I've heard the promises" part sung by James once again and "Unbroken spirits" added back in.
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The only song I really want to hear from I&W is Take the Time, with the "I've heard the promises" part sung by James once again and "Unbroken spirits" added back in.
Where´s the LIKE button?
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The only song I really want to hear from I&W is Take the Time, with the "I've heard the promises" part sung by James once again and "Unbroken spirits" added back in.
Same here. But, honestly, it isn't even because I am eager to actually hear the song. It's just the completist in me wanting a good live version of it. :lol
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There are great live versions of every I&W song out there, and as rumbo says they've been done to death. DT has always struck me as a band that doesn't need to go back to their 'hits' in their live show, so I do hope they give those songs a good rest.
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Well, almost every I&W song. Unless I am forgetting something, as I mentioned, TTT is not well represented (unless there is a good version from LiT that I am not remembering).
Another Day is also missing in terms of having a "great" live version. But I can live with that. (1) As has been mentioned numerous times, the way the song is written (and in particular, the vocal lines), it would be virtually impossible to get a great live version. (2) I don't really care for it anyway. Even if we got a really good live version, the odds of me taking the time to listen to it more than once would be close to 0.
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Thought the version of Another Day on Live scenes from New York was pretty good....
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Instrumentally, it was good. But James struggled with it. I mean, it is MUCH better than the OIALT version, but he still comes up flat when going for quite a few higher notes. Contrast that with, for example, Learning To Live where he didn't go for the F#, did a harmony line instread, and rather than miss the note and sound flat, he sounded fantastic.
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Pretty sure Live in Tokyo has a good rendition of Take the Time.
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The last American show with Kevin Moore in New York 1993 might be the best I&W live. It shows up on the book "Excellent" and I've seen the "Another DAy" video on you tube. Also, the 1992 Japan boots are great too. But as far as official releases, Live in Tokyo is pretty darn good.
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Pretty sure Live in Tokyo has a good rendition of Take the Time.
That is correct.
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Instrumentally, it was good. But James struggled with it. I mean, it is MUCH better than the OIALT version, but he still comes up flat when going for quite a few higher notes. Contrast that with, for example, Learning To Live where he didn't go for the F#, did a harmony line instread, and rather than miss the note and sound flat, he sounded fantastic.
Wait, Another Day is on OIALT? Or did you mean Take the Time?
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Pretty sure Live in Tokyo has a good rendition of Take the Time.
That is correct.
Incorrect. LIT has the music video of Take The Time, not a live performance.
Instrumentally, it was good. But James struggled with it. I mean, it is MUCH better than the OIALT version, but he still comes up flat when going for quite a few higher notes. Contrast that with, for example, Learning To Live where he didn't go for the F#, did a harmony line instread, and rather than miss the note and sound flat, he sounded fantastic.
Wait, Another Day is on OIALT? Or did you mean Take the Time?
Another Day is not on OIALT, but Take The Time is.
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LiT has an unforgettable performance of TTT. See how unforgettable it is?
No but really I don't get how you guys could not remember this one.. It's not perfect, but it's certainly quite extraordinary.
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Instrumentally, it was good. But James struggled with it. I mean, it is MUCH better than the OIALT version, but he still comes up flat when going for quite a few higher notes. Contrast that with, for example, Learning To Live where he didn't go for the F#, did a harmony line instread, and rather than miss the note and sound flat, he sounded fantastic.
Wait, Another Day is on OIALT? Or did you mean Take the Time?
No, I was responding to Another Day on LSFNY (see the post immediately above mine; I know it is customary to use quotes so it is clear what we are responding to, but since it was the last post, I thought it would have been more clear what I was responding to; sorry).
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Also OiaLt has an outtake of Another Day acoustically. I think I heard it once or twice.
I'd love a new live version of TTT by the current band and current James with the second verse included, and the chorus being sung. I wish at least you could hear the audience singing on LiT, but you really can't.
Plus I'll add that I am totally in love with the Happy Holidays version of UAGM. I love the scream, though not as much as the regular E5, but other things about it are just awesome too. I was actually wishing after hearing some bootlegs that we could have an official release of UAGM from the Arizona show or the San Diego show since James's performances were so phenominal, and then guess what happened??
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We have two good recent versions of UAGM, if you count the Happy Holidays release (the other being on Score). I appreciate that both of those actually made me appreciate a song that I previously did not care for. But I don't feel that we need another one.
EDIT: And since you mention the San Diego and Arizona shows, I should also add that they should think about doing a live release from one of those two places. Yeah, the crowds may not be as big. But in terms of getting a solid vocal performance, those are two climates that, for different reasons, are GREAT for a singer.
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Oh, it's after Puppies On Acid, right?
:facepalm:
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yes
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So, it's been a while since I've seen it. :biggrin:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zSPsS4D6T9U I mean look at this! The day before my show too. Which means I didn't see this song, but I got to see them do Caught in a Web and Pull Me Under this well instead.
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We have two good recent versions of UAGM, if you count the Happy Holidays release (the other being on Score). I appreciate that both of those actually made me appreciate a song that I previously did not care for. But I don't feel that we need another one.
All this. Honestly, listening to Score yesterday, I think I like James' performance on it better than on the album. There's just such a nice quality to the way he sings "Waiting for TIME to disappear." Although honestly, I think his over the top screaming of it on the Holidays release kind of crashed and burned. Not the biggest fan of that version.
EDIT: And since you mention the San Diego and Arizona shows, I should also add that they should think about doing a live release from one of those two places. Yeah, the crowds may not be as big. But in terms of getting a solid vocal performance, those are two climates that, for different reasons, are GREAT for a singer.
Arizona? Really? But it's a dry heat.
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It's definitely time to bring back the full version of Take The Time.
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It's definitely time to bring back the full version of Take The Time.
Are you saying that it's time for Take The Time?
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It's definitely time to bring back the full version of Take The Time.
Are you saying that it's time for Take The Time?
All in due time.
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It's definitely time to bring back the full version of Take The Time.
Are you saying that it's time for Take The Time?
All in due time.
Is that a promise? I've heard the promises...
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It's definitely time to bring back the full version of Take The Time.
Are you saying that it's time for Take The Time?
All in due time.
Is that a promise? I've heard the promises...
Nope, we can't be sure. I tried asking, but there are no answers from voices above.
Actually, that could always be one of the questions for the whole Twitter thing that's happening, so there may be answers from voices above afterall. :lol
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So, it's been a while since I've seen it. :biggrin:
That's no excuse! It's Take the Time! :metal
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Still totally perplexed at the Awake set. They seriously nail it to the bone on this DVD.
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Yeah I really, really like this release. Not to be pissy, but Live at Luna Park was such a dissapointment, soundwise.
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So does anyone know whats up with MM during IT? Just after the "Grace before glory" it cuts to him during that first keyboard/drums part and he shakes his head and looks pissed off. Did he mess it up? I cant hear a mistake of he does!
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I only have 4 complaints about this release. Illumination Theory, Enigma Machine, Along For The Ride, and JLB talking too much. Everything else is nothing short of awesome.
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I only have 4 complaints about this release. Illumination Theory, Enigma Machine, Along For The Ride, and JLB talking too much. Everything else is nothing short of awesome.
JLB talking to much? They cut out like 80% of the jibba jabba.
This live version of Enigma Machine actually opened my eyes to it. I didn't really care for it previously.
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Wow, really? Well, the 20% they left in is still too much. As far as EM goes, never liked it and the live version still doesn't do anything for me. Behind The Veil is my fav and they didn't even play it. :\ When it comes to DT albums, 12 just isn't my luck number.
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Really good DVD, watched the last part of it yesterday. Really liked the atmosphere, the setlist, the choir and the audience seemed to be into it.
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I only have 4 complaints about this release. Illumination Theory, Enigma Machine, Along For The Ride, and JLB talking too much. Everything else is nothing short of awesome.
JLB talking to much? They cut out like 80% of the jibba jabba.
This live version of Enigma Machine actually opened my eyes to it. I didn't really care for it previously.
I think maybe he meant talking during the song. I also think he says "let me hear you Boston" and such WAY too much. Not a huge problem I guess though. Thought the same thing on LALP.
And re: Enigma Machine, you are incorrect*
*source: BTFW DVD/Blu-Ray
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I finally got the new DVD and I'm loving every minute of it. :heart
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I only have 4 complaints about this release. Illumination Theory, Enigma Machine, Along For The Ride, and JLB talking too much. Everything else is nothing short of awesome.
JLB talking to much? They cut out like 80% of the jibba jabba.
This live version of Enigma Machine actually opened my eyes to it. I didn't really care for it previously.
I think maybe he meant talking during the song. I also think he says "let me hear you Boston" and such WAY too much. Not a huge problem I guess though. Thought the same thing on LALP.
And re: Enigma Machine, you are incorrect*
*source: BTFW DVD/Blu-Ray
That whole "let me hear you Boston" thing only bothers me because its seemingly met with nothing. Obviously not the case live but still... same with the Luna Park DVD
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I can agree with that part, it is weird to not hear a reaction.
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I was there. There was no shortage of us screaming.
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Oh yeah, we screamed our lungs out. The lack of reaction is a mixing issue, not an audience issue.
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Probably has to do with too much of the band bleeding in because the volume is too damn high
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(https://i.qkme.me/3telm5.jpg)
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Yea I don't doubt the audience reacted, just can't hear it. Same with Luna Park, you can see the audience react but can't hear it. Pretty minor but kind of odd considering the crowd is a large part of what makes love concerts unique IMO.
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Yea I don't doubt the audience reacted, just can't hear it. Same with Luna Park, you can see the audience react but can't hear it. Pretty minor but kind of odd considering the crowd is a large part of what makes love concerts unique IMO.
LOVE concerts? What a treat! ::)
B.Lee
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I love me some love concerts :lol
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but upon watch Breaking the fourth wall today, I noticed during JP's guitar solo in Breaking all Illusions that the drums audio and video don't match up at 8:14. Does anyone have any information on the editing of this DVD?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCwj0ndqeUE
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Certain parts were patched and rerecorded for the DVD, yeah.
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Yea didn't notice that one. Looks like it was overdubbed for just a second there.
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That time stamp appears to be in sync to me. I'd be very curious to listen to a boot of this show at some point. As far as dubs are concerned, I think they did a great job of maintaining a fluid live feel through out the DVD.
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Watched it around 8 times. What exactly appears out of sync? The left hand hitting the snare softly? Because I can hear the hit.
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Is the HD Tracks version that different from the audio of the Blu-Ray? My primary experience is with the HD Tracks FLAC files, which is in my mobile phone and computer, and I don't really experience any of the complaints (JM inaudible, bass drums not audible, orchestra not audible, audience not reacting when JLB says "Hello, Boston!"). I use in-ear phones, so I guess that boosts the bass sound.
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There's an interesting one in Trial of Tears. At the end of the "Hidden by disguise" section he does those huge drum fills. At the very end, when he rolls down the toms, two of his hits don't register. Now, he either hit the air on purpose/for some reason they didn't record/they overdubbed that part. (7:55 if you watch it on YouTube)
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There's an interesting one in Trial of Tears. At the end of the "Hidden by disguise" section he does those huge drum fills. At the very end, when he rolls down the toms he two of his hits don't register. Now, he either hit the air on purpose/for some reason they didn't record/they overdubbed that part. (7:55 if you watch it on YouTube)
I didn't spot that one before. I don't think he's air hitting, I think he's definitely hitting them hard. I don't know why they wouldn't register though.
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Not that I want to start rumors, but I always viewed those "they just overdubbed those 5 seconds" statements with a little bit of suspicion. I have a bit the suspicion that when they decided to overdub, they overdubbed more than that, to keep the sound consistent.
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Sound consistency? For all we know the recording is direct from JP's guitar and pre-amped later, in which case overdubbing is easy.
I wouldn't doubt it now that I think about it.
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You don't just tee off the guitar input and then pre-amp it later in the studio. Because there's a whole daisy chain of effects that were activated live that you'd be missing (and thus having to recreate).
For the recording of the DVD they will have taken the same signal that went to the PA. And matching that without the punch-in being too obvious is not that easy.
Also, if you have ever compared the soundboard recording of the ACOS EP covers with the CD version, you know that DT, when they overdub, can overdub quite extensively.
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When you say same signal that went to the PA you mean went to the board right?
The signal chain goes something like this, right? And the recording would be between mic and board?
Guitar -> Axe/Other FX -> Triaxis -> Recto cab -> Microphone -> Board -> EQ/other FX -> PA -> Speakers
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At exactly 8:17 you hear a ride and see him hitting a crash.
JP also bends the very last note of the solo, and it doesn't match the audio. That whole last fast scale up could be overdubbed. It's way too fast to be able to see if the notes match up. But the last note is visibly overdubbed because of that bend and the picking (he picks like 10 times and you only hear about 4).
Didn't notice any of that until now, though.
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But he did hit a crash in 8:17 with his left hand. Maybe you are referrign to the right hand crash hit in 8:18? :p
I am having fun watching the YT videos at the 0.5 speed to check this stuff out? LOL
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At exactly 8:17 you hear a ride and see him hitting a crash.
JP also bends the very last note of the solo, and it doesn't match the audio. That whole last fast scale up could be overdubbed. It's way too fast to be able to see if the notes match up. But the last note is visibly overdubbed because of that bend and the picking (he picks like 10 times and you only hear about 4).
Didn't notice any of that until now, though.
About that last scale, you can actually see Jordan cringing a bit there in the background. In the Sonisphere video of TEI where JP misses a bunch of notes in the solo Jordan has that look too.
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At exactly 0:01 I sat back and let the show kick my ass.
I don't know how some of you guys can even enjoy the music at all when you're so busy nit-picking everything.
Yes, "we wouldn't be prog fans if we didn't" and "welcome to the Dream Theater Forums" and all that noise but, man, seriously.
:facepalm:
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I immensely enjoyed every minute of this release and, precisely for that reason, I watch it a lot. After multiple viewings, these things just pop into your eyes, especially if they're related to drums or vocals, as it's very obvious if something doesn't sync up there. You don't have to be nitpicky, if you're immersed, attentive and know what's going on, you'll spot these involuntarily.
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At exactly 0:01 I sat back and let the show kick my ass.
I don't know how some of you guys can even enjoy the music at all when you're so busy nit-picking everything.
Yes, "we wouldn't be prog fans if we didn't" and "welcome to the Dream Theater Forums" and all that noise but, man, seriously.
:facepalm:
Personally the "ignorance is bliss" attitude disturbs me, as if noticing details is a negative thing, because I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Just because we notice something, doesn't mean we're not enjoying the hell out of it at the same time!
It's just being observant, and for me it's an extra level to the experience to enjoy. I love noticing all of these little details, and appreciating that these are real people doing their best to give us something great. It's like "Where's Wally (or Waldo for the Americans)" for your TV! :biggrin:
I could point out little things like this on all of DT's DVDs. It doesn't make me enjoy it any less, it just gives me one more unique thing to discuss and share with other fans.
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Stop making sense, Blob! :dangerwillrobinson:
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Stop? I'm not sure I've even started yet. :neverusethis:
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At exactly 0:01 I sat back and let the show kick my ass.
I don't know how some of you guys can even enjoy the music at all when you're so busy nit-picking everything.
Yes, "we wouldn't be prog fans if we didn't" and "welcome to the Dream Theater Forums" and all that noise but, man, seriously.
:facepalm:
Personally the "ignorance is bliss" attitude disturbs me, as if noticing details is a negative thing, because I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Just because we notice something, doesn't mean we're not enjoying the hell out of it at the same time!
It's just being observant, and for me it's an extra level to the experience to enjoy. I love noticing all of these little details, and appreciating that these are real people doing their best to give us something great. It's like "Where's Wally (or Waldo for the Americans)" for your TV! :biggrin:
I could point out little things like this on all of DT's DVDs. It doesn't make me enjoy it any less, it just gives me one more unique thing to discuss and share with other fans.
Plus I don't care that some fixing may have gone on as its par for the course these days.
It happens. I know it happens. It doesn't bother me. I enjoy it anyway.
On cunning stunts there's many moments where the audio and video clearly don't match up but its fun
To notice them. :)
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I immensely enjoyed every minute of this release and, precisely for that reason, I watch it a lot. After multiple viewings, these things just pop into your eyes, especially if they're related to drums or vocals, as it's very obvious if something doesn't sync up there. You don't have to be nitpicky, if you're immersed, attentive and know what's going on, you'll spot these involuntarily.
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I'm sorry our 100% focus on what we're watching offends you.
And while wer're at it, I'm sorry DT is so good at their instruments and therefore have no emotion whatsoever.
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I'm sorry our 100% focus on what we're watching offends you.
And while wer're at it, I'm sorry DT is so good at their instruments and therefore have no emotion whatsoever.
I'm really sorry, but I don't give a shit. No.
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Burning mah soooooooul.
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Burning mah soooooooul.
What is this emotion bullshit? Dream Theater are emotionless robots. Get it right, noob!
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I understand its not a bad thing and I'm glad you guys are able to enjoy everything with all the extra attentiveness. I definitely don't have this skill. My wife constantly chats through movies about anything and it drives me crazy. I need to be focused. Maybe I'm just durrrrrr...
I'm not offended and don't know how the person who said that thought I was. Silly.
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I understand its not a bad thing and I'm glad you guys are able to enjoy everything with all the extra attentiveness. I definitely don't have this skill. My wife constantly chats through movies about anything and it drives me crazy. I need to be focused. Maybe I'm just durrrrrr...
I'm not offended and don't know how the person who said that thought I was. Silly.
Who cares, dude? The important thing is, do you still enjoy it just as much? That's all that matters. :tup
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:tup
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At exactly 0:01 I sat back and let the show kick my ass.
I don't know how some of you guys can even enjoy the music at all when you're so busy nit-picking everything.
Yes, "we wouldn't be prog fans if we didn't" and "welcome to the Dream Theater Forums" and all that noise but, man, seriously.
:facepalm:
Personally the "ignorance is bliss" attitude disturbs me, as if noticing details is a negative thing, because I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Just because we notice something, doesn't mean we're not enjoying the hell out of it at the same time!
It's just being observant, and for me it's an extra level to the experience to enjoy. I love noticing all of these little details, and appreciating that these are real people doing their best to give us something great. It's like "Where's Wally (or Waldo for the Americans)" for your TV! :biggrin:
I could point out little things like this on all of DT's DVDs. It doesn't make me enjoy it any less, it just gives me one more unique thing to discuss and share with other fans.
Obviously there's a lot of positives said here about everything DT has done, but I think all he's really saying is that it can get tiring coming on here and seeing all of the nitpicking going on, and a lot of the negatives. I understand it. I get like that too.
It's discussion which means it goes both ways, positive and negative.
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^Exactly that. And while all forms of discussion are permitted (provided they do not break the rules), not all forms of discussion are equally enjoyable. Constant complaining and nitpicking are just annoying and will (rightly) be called out by many.
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The problem is that I don't think some are even inviting discussion, because once they are engaged, they retreat to just my opinion you have no business engaging me territory.
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Maybe for each release it would be better to have a separate thread for all the "at this time stamp something is wrong" discussions. Not a single thing pointed out bothers me and I honestly don't pay that close enough of attention to notice usually and when I do I say "hey they are only human" but that's just me. Carry on
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Does JR just play the usual parts when the orchestra and choir are around? With the strings playing sometimes it seems like JR is just playing the same thing.
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https://imgur.com/Vjz6QD4
Lmao at the violist throwing up the horns during Dance of Eternity.
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As Peter Chris of KISS has said about their Kiss alive album, "There is no such thing as a completely live album but the drums are real". Most parts are kept intact as much as possible but not everything can be redone. The drums however are much harder to patch in from my understanding.
I enjoyed some of this release more then others. My main problem is the use of metronome in their shows since Mangini has entered the band. The tempo's just don't always feel organic and some passages lack drive which they are fully able to utilize. If you take the cleveland show i was at in '12 and sync it up with boston show its a nearly identical copy with a slightly changed solo. This is not always a problem in many cases but sometimes it appears evident to me as a listener that the band is playing with tracks at time and the speed they play at feels less genuine. If they just played less robotic and more as one during these parts they would be much more cohesive as a band imo. I think its time to think outside the box and not rest on their body of work. The ability is there but the passion needs to be brought more to the forefront.
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As Peter Chris of KISS has said about their Kiss alive album, "There is no such thing as a completely live album but the drums are real". Most parts are kept intact as much as possible but not everything can be redone. The drums however are much harder to patch in from my understanding.
I enjoyed some of this release more then others. My main problem is the use of metronome in their shows since Mangini has entered the band. The tempo's just don't always feel organic and some passages lack drive which they are fully able to utilize. If you take the cleveland show i was at in '12 and sync it up with boston show its a nearly identical copy with a slightly changed solo. This is not always a problem in many cases but sometimes it appears evident to me as a listener that the band is playing with tracks at time and the speed they play at feels less genuine. If they just played less robotic and more as one during these parts they would be much more cohesive as a band imo. I think its time to think outside the box and not rest on their body of work. The ability is there but the passion needs to be brought more to the forefront.
They sounded like a mess sometimes prior to using a metronome.
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Obviously there's a lot of positives said here about everything DT has done, but I think all he's really saying is that it can get tiring coming on here and seeing all of the nitpicking going on, and a lot of the negatives. I understand it. I get like that too.
It's discussion which means it goes both ways, positive and negative.
I agree that it goes both ways. If things were all positive, there'd be no discussion. There'd just be a weird cult of fans that all agreed EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
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Isn't that what people think we are anyway?
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Obviously there's a lot of positives said here about everything DT has done, but I think all he's really saying is that it can get tiring coming on here and seeing all of the nitpicking going on, and a lot of the negatives. I understand it. I get like that too.
It's discussion which means it goes both ways, positive and negative.
I agree that it goes both ways. If things were all positive, there'd be no discussion. There'd just be a weird cult of fans that all agreed EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
If there weren't opposing opinions, you wouldn't even know where you stand. Opposing opinions help validate your own beliefs or more specifically, your point of view. Because if you have an example of a viewpoint that you don't prefer, it gives you a chance to choose what you do prefer. If everyone liked everything, well we wouldn't even know what was "good" by personal or comparative standards and well.. That'd probably be pretty boring. :lol
So when you look at it like that, I guess we should be grateful to everyone who thinks differently to ourselves. Because we would have no personal identity if everyone was in agreement. By extension, we probably wouldn't even be able to more accurately determine or even identify the things we assume or accept to be universal truth as easily, because there'd be nothing to challenge our preconceptions of the status quo. (https://yoursmiles.org/msmile/think/m1703.gif)
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As Peter Chris of KISS has said about their Kiss alive album, "There is no such thing as a completely live album but the drums are real". Most parts are kept intact as much as possible but not everything can be redone. The drums however are much harder to patch in from my understanding.
I enjoyed some of this release more then others. My main problem is the use of metronome in their shows since Mangini has entered the band. The tempo's just don't always feel organic and some passages lack drive which they are fully able to utilize. If you take the cleveland show i was at in '12 and sync it up with boston show its a nearly identical copy with a slightly changed solo. This is not always a problem in many cases but sometimes it appears evident to me as a listener that the band is playing with tracks at time and the speed they play at feels less genuine. If they just played less robotic and more as one during these parts they would be much more cohesive as a band imo. I think its time to think outside the box and not rest on their body of work. The ability is there but the passion needs to be brought more to the forefront.
They sounded like a mess sometimes prior to using a metronome.
They had their spots but overall i thought their performance felt more genuine and less forced. Its not a bad thing always but sometimes it bothers me. Maybe its the complexity of the music but RUSH does the same thing and their performances are much tighter given it is different material. I just think it feels unnatural imo for DT. I would just like to see them take their performances higher
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I agree that it goes both ways. If things were all positive, there'd be no discussion. There'd just be a weird cult of fans that all agreed EVERYTHING IS FLAWLESS
FTFY. Little flaws don't prevent everything from still being awesome. I mean, people can nitpick all they want, but does it actually ruin the experience for them? I haven't heard anyone say they DON'T like the release because of these little flaws.
They had their spots but overall i thought their performance felt more genuine and less forced. Its not a bad thing always but sometimes it bothers me. Maybe its the complexity of the music but RUSH does the same thing and their performances are much tighter given it is different material. I just think it feels unnatural imo for DT. I would just like to see them take their performances higher
I don't see how using a click track make their performance... Umm... "Lower" I guess. If anything, it's more difficult to play to a click track because it leaves a lot less room for mistakes, especially on Mike Mangini's part. I mean, even if you don't like the end result as much as you would a more "organic" approach, that doesn't make one or the other superior in absolute terms.
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If there weren't any flaws or if everyone loved it, discussion would be pretty boring.
- I love it! They're so awesome! Lots of virtuostic Gods lol!
- I agree.
- Totally.
- Definitely! Perfect band!
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Until the quote pyramid reaches hefdaddy's quote pyramid radar and is forced to shut it off.
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If there weren't any flaws or if everyone loved it, discussion would be pretty boring.
- I love it! They're so awesome! Lots of virtuostic Gods lol!
- I agree.
- Totally.
- Definitely! Perfect band!
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Until the quote pyramid reaches hefdaddy's quote pyramid radar and is forced to shut it off.
But then it also depends on how you define flawless too. I mean, look at the ending of The Mirror. One could say that JR played it flawlessly. But even if he did, it's different from what it was on the album, and even if he did it well, some people might not enjoy it. Same with how they built Space-Dye Vest. I think it was amazing, and other people will still complain that the song has lost its essence, because there's no "Emo" in Rudess, like there is in Moore.
I'm not saying not to nitpick, by all means, do what you want. I'm just saying there are plenty of interesting discussions to be had without focusing on mistakes they made.
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If there weren't any flaws or if everyone loved it, discussion would be pretty boring.
- I love it! They're so awesome! Lots of virtuostic Gods lol!
- I agree.
- Totally.
- Definitely! Perfect band!
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Until the quote pyramid reaches hefdaddy's quote pyramid radar and is forced to shut it off.
I'm not saying not to nitpick, by all means, do what you want. I'm just saying there are plenty of interesting discussions to be had without focusing on mistakes they made.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, and it's normally the way discussion goes around in this forum IMO.
You should take into account that this forum is inhabited (mostly) by prog hardcore fans, which are usually more inquisitive about things; and I'm perfectly ok with that.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this, and it's normally the way discussion goes around in this forum IMO.
You should take into account that this forum is inhabited (mostly) by prog hardcore fans, which are usually more inquisitive about things; and I'm perfectly ok with that.
I do think we need to keep tabs on it though. I mean, I think nitpicking goes a little too far when I can imagine somone who may not be a Prog or DT fan, and they just wander accidentally into this thread, maybe just curious about what BTFW is like, and they read the comments and think, "Man, this DVD must really suck. Look at all the flaws people are pointing out. Even their fans hate it!" :lol
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I see your point, but also, it's page 54, the casual fans probably won't make it this far. :P
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I see your point, but also, it's page 54, the casual fans probably won't make it this far. :P
Unless they simply click on the LAST page, haha, then that's exactly where they'll find themselves!
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Just received Anthrax' new DVD Chile On Hell, which is a bare bones/ no frills release. I would just like to reiterate how especially nice the packaging is on Breaking the Fourth Wall.
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As Peter Chris of KISS has said about their Kiss alive album, "There is no such thing as a completely live album but the drums are real". Most parts are kept intact as much as possible but not everything can be redone. The drums however are much harder to patch in from my understanding.
I enjoyed some of this release more then others. My main problem is the use of metronome in their shows since Mangini has entered the band. The tempo's just don't always feel organic and some passages lack drive which they are fully able to utilize. If you take the cleveland show i was at in '12 and sync it up with boston show its a nearly identical copy with a slightly changed solo. This is not always a problem in many cases but sometimes it appears evident to me as a listener that the band is playing with tracks at time and the speed they play at feels less genuine. If they just played less robotic and more as one during these parts they would be much more cohesive as a band imo. I think its time to think outside the box and not rest on their body of work. The ability is there but the passion needs to be brought more to the forefront.
The metronome thing again. It's not a Mike Mangini thing. The metronome is a band decision to deliver a live experience that includes a lot of visual media that sync with what they are playing. If they would decide to change their approach to live shows and do more stripped-down concerts, then they might give up the metronome.
I really can not understand this playing with metronome = lack of drive and passion thing. Did the performance of The Shattered Fortress not sound passionate and driven enough for you? In music school, students are taught to play at a consistent pace like a metronome. So music schools should just scrap teaching their students to play that way because all we ever get are musicians who play like robots?
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Peter Criss' name should not be brought up on this side of the board. Ever.
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As Peter Chris of KISS has said about their Kiss alive album, "There is no such thing as a completely live album but the drums are real". Most parts are kept intact as much as possible but not everything can be redone. The drums however are much harder to patch in from my understanding.
I enjoyed some of this release more then others. My main problem is the use of metronome in their shows since Mangini has entered the band. The tempo's just don't always feel organic and some passages lack drive which they are fully able to utilize. If you take the cleveland show i was at in '12 and sync it up with boston show its a nearly identical copy with a slightly changed solo. This is not always a problem in many cases but sometimes it appears evident to me as a listener that the band is playing with tracks at time and the speed they play at feels less genuine. If they just played less robotic and more as one during these parts they would be much more cohesive as a band imo. I think its time to think outside the box and not rest on their body of work. The ability is there but the passion needs to be brought more to the forefront.
The metronome thing again. It's not a Mike Mangini thing. The metronome is a band decision to deliver a live experience that includes a lot of visual media that sync with what they are playing. If they would decide to change their approach to live shows and do more stripped-down concerts, then they might give up the metronome.
I really can not understand this playing with metronome = lack of drive and passion thing. Did the performance of The Shattered Fortress not sound passionate and driven enough for you? In music school, students are taught to play at a consistent pace like a metronome. So music schools should just scrap teaching their students to play that way because all we ever get are musicians who play like robots?
I never said it was a mangini problem i said it was a problem since he has joined the band. That being said yes actually one of my main examples of this is THe Shattered fortress where it is evident that they are playing with a metronome or having to make conscious efforts to stay together on top of the metronome. I understand it is for lighting and video purposes but i could care less if the music seems to lack passion and drive at points. There performance shouldn't sound like multiple people playing it should sound more unified at the points im talking about that's all. It doesnt always detract from the performance but there are parts where i find the tempo's horribly slow and dragging. Especially in the sfam aniversary stuff
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They didn't sound unified? That's new.
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I don't mind the slow album tempo. Makes the song last longer... Lol
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It doesnt always detract from the performance but there are parts where i find the tempo's horribly slow and dragging. Especially in the sfam aniversary stuff
You must think the original album tempo is horribly slow and dragging, then; because it's exactly the same.
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Why do we need to go through the same damn discussions every five minutes here? A live setting and an album are two very different environments.
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Why do we need to go through the same damn discussions every five minutes here? A live setting and an album are two very different environments.
hey but you're not mad are you
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Nah, I've just been stressed lately. I've been dealing with so many assholes in the past week that I could major in proctology and breeze through college. Sorry, I just tend to lash out at statements that I disagree with.
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Why do we need to go through the same damn discussions every five minutes here? A live setting and an album are two very different environments.
Because same complaints get rehashed all the time. And yes, a live setting and an album are very different environments. But it's not an excuse for being sloppy and always playing fast just because you are playing live. If it's a guy playing live in a music school recital, he would get failing marks.
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It doesnt always detract from the performance but there are parts where i find the tempo's horribly slow and dragging. Especially in the sfam aniversary stuff
You must think the original album tempo is horribly slow and dragging, then; because it's exactly the same.
Because what works in the studio always translates identically live.
TSCO sounds downright plodding on LALP at studio tempo. Other songs sound fine. But one size does not fit all.
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Hey, as I recall, back before they were using a click track, when Portnoy was in the band, there were plenty of times when he actually played certain parts slower, and sometimes the change in pacing for those parts would be so noticeable that it almost felt like he was getting ready to stop all together, so it's not like without a click track you'd always get faster, more energetic performances.
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It's not necessarily about playing faster, it's about pushing the tempos in whatever way suits the live atmosphere better. I don't recall any tempos being that much slower than album tempo though, except maybe parts of Surrounded?
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It's not necessarily about playing faster, it's about pushing the tempos in whatever way suits the live atmosphere better. I don't recall any tempos being that much slower than album tempo though, except maybe parts of Surrounded?
Well, there were times when it just started sounding sluggish whenever MP slowed it down. Maybe not so much in the recent years, but I have heard it happening in various bootleg footage and such. The intro of Pull Me Under would just start chugging, and not in a good way, lol. It would pick up once JLB started singing, but still, that intro.. Now THAT was slogging.
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It doesnt always detract from the performance but there are parts where i find the tempo's horribly slow and dragging. Especially in the sfam aniversary stuff
You must think the original album tempo is horribly slow and dragging, then; because it's exactly the same.
Because what works in the studio always translates identically live.
TSCO sounds downright plodding on LALP at studio tempo. Other songs sound fine. But one size does not fit all.
Yeah I know, different drummers/feels and everything, but I don't think that "horribly slow and dragging" is not a tempo thing because as we all know already they play to a click track, but a performance thing. If you match the live version with the studio counterpart they will fit perfectly, but there's definitely a performing difference which may result in a different feel. I don't like the Luna Park version of Spirit Carries On because it sounds weak (compared to both Live Scenes and Score versions) and not because it's slow, for example.
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It doesnt always detract from the performance but there are parts where i find the tempo's horribly slow and dragging. Especially in the sfam aniversary stuff
You must think the original album tempo is horribly slow and dragging, then; because it's exactly the same.
Because what works in the studio always translates identically live.
TSCO sounds downright plodding on LALP at studio tempo. Other songs sound fine. But one size does not fit all.
Yeah I know, different drummers/feels and everything, but I don't think that "horribly slow and dragging" is not a tempo thing because as we all know already they play to a click track, but a performance thing. If you match the live version with the studio counterpart they will fit perfectly, but there's definitely a performing difference which may result in a different feel. I don't like the Luna Park version of Spirit Carries On because it sounds weak (compared to both Live Scenes and Score versions) and not because it's slow, for example.
I dislike it because it's both weak AND slow. The tempo is the main problem for that song on LALP for me though. The lighter sounding drums aren't a huge issue for a laid back song like that, but once it hit the outro, it needed to push the tempo a bit. The LSFNY and Score versions really nail the feel for that song.
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It doesnt always detract from the performance but there are parts where i find the tempo's horribly slow and dragging. Especially in the sfam aniversary stuff
You must think the original album tempo is horribly slow and dragging, then; because it's exactly the same.
Because what works in the studio always translates identically live.
TSCO sounds downright plodding on LALP at studio tempo. Other songs sound fine. But one size does not fit all.
Hmmm, quite a feel for tempo that you have right there. I just timed the LALP version and the Score version, and LALP was at 127 bpm, while the Score version is at 128 - 130 bpm.
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It doesnt always detract from the performance but there are parts where i find the tempo's horribly slow and dragging. Especially in the sfam aniversary stuff
You must think the original album tempo is horribly slow and dragging, then; because it's exactly the same.
Because what works in the studio always translates identically live.
TSCO sounds downright plodding on LALP at studio tempo. Other songs sound fine. But one size does not fit all.
Hmmm, quite a feel for tempo that you have right there. I just timed the LALP version and the Score version, and LALP was at 127 bpm, while the Score version is at 128 - 130 bpm.
Hm you're right. I measure the studio outro at ~128, Score at ~130 and LSFNY at ~132 (too lazy to pull out LALP to measure, but I assume it's basically studio). Maybe the complete lack of dynamics on LALP is a bigger factor than I realized. That outro just sounds painfully plodding on LALP. It needed to ramp it up, but it just fell flat.
I'll have to check some of the other songs that felt too slow on LALP and see how the tempos compare.
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Maybe it was more about the dynamics and the mix than the tempo. The mix of the LALP TSCO sounded really bare, with the drums sounding really thin and and a very low rhythm section, while Score version sounded fuller and heavier.
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Maybe it was more about the dynamics and the mix than the tempo. The mix of the LALP TSCO sounded really bare, with the drums sounding really thin and and a very low rhythm section, while Score version sounded fuller and heavier.
You could be right. The weak drum mix on LALP is definitely a factor, I just didn't realize how much steam it took out of that song in particular. Now that you've measured it, I'm curious to measure the numbers on the other songs that felt too slow to me on LALP to see if that is most of the problem.
There were also a couple of moments on BTFW that were a touch too slow for my liking though, but it was much less of an issue than it was on LALP. I'm glad they finally got a great drum sound with MM, and I hope it continues through to the next album.
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In BtFW, the "fast" part of Strange Deja is around 142 bpm. In LSFNY, that portion is really inconsistent, ranging from as low as 146 bpm to 150 bpm. Maybe the faster tempo gives LSFNY more energy, but the consistent tempo in BtFW surely made the cowbell hits sound better. ;)
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In BtFW, the "fast" part of Strange Deja is around 142 bpm. In LSFNY, that portion is really inconsistent, ranging from as low as 146 bpm to 150 bpm. Maybe the faster tempo gives LSFNY more energy, but the consistent tempo in BtFW surely made the cowbell hits sound better. ;)
I love the faster tempo for that section, but the studio tempo didn't work as badly as I expected. It was just fine. Both work well in different ways, but either way, that's just a cool riff. :metal
MP didn't play the cowbell live on that song anyway, just the ride, since it's an overdub. I don't know how a slower tempo really affects it. Cowbells are awesome at any tempo.
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Cowbells and timpani are awesome. Which is why Breaking the Fourth Wall is such a good release, it has both!
MM played the cowbells live in BtFW, right? I believe cowbells are assigned to his E-pro Pad, and he's not doing any double hits on the bass drum during the cowbell part of Strange Deja Vu.
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MM played the cowbells live in BtFW, right? I believe cowbells are assigned to his E-pro Pad, and he's not doing any double hits on the bass drum during the cowbell part of Strange Deja Vu.
MM plays the cowbell along with the ride, and the cowbell sound is triggered, but it doesn't show him during that section to see what he's doing. One of those points where his great limb independence comes into play, even though it sounds simple if you're not listening out for it.
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Just received Anthrax' new DVD Chile On Hell, which is a bare bones/ no frills release. I would just like to reiterate how especially nice the packaging is on Breaking the Fourth Wall.
I don't like the BtfW packaging, it's like a CD digipak, basically it's a paper wrap.
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It doesnt always detract from the performance but there are parts where i find the tempo's horribly slow and dragging. Especially in the sfam aniversary stuff
You must think the original album tempo is horribly slow and dragging, then; because it's exactly the same.
Indeed, I am much preferring DT as they are at the moment playing to the same tempo. Its the way the song was intended to sound in the first place but live. Also MM is putting his own spin on things so its like a new version of the old song.
This is the present DT I'm afraid! :P
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Peter Criss' name should not be brought up on this side of the board. Ever.
Isn't this already in the rules?
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Just received Anthrax' new DVD Chile On Hell, which is a bare bones/ no frills release. I would just like to reiterate how especially nice the packaging is on Breaking the Fourth Wall.
I don't like the BtfW packaging, it's like a CD digipak, basically it's a paper wrap.
Some people prefer that.
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I got the Bluray only package, I don't have a problem with it.
DT's worst packaging ever was the Special Edition of BC&SL.
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I got the Bluray only package, I don't have a problem with it.
DT's worst packaging ever was the Special Edition of BC&SL.
I'm gonna have to agree with that. I cringe every time I have to take a CD out of a coarse cardboard sleeve, instead of a proper spindle or whatever.
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I got the Bluray only package, I don't have a problem with it.
DT's worst packaging ever was the Special Edition of BC&SL.
Bleh, digipaks need to die a horrible painful death. The BTFW DVD is about as good as I've seen though. Pretty good packaging, and the disc holder doesn't suck. I do hate overlapping discs though.
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Nah, Digipaks rule. Although actually, the BTFW Blu-Ray package isn't perfect. The cover of it tended to bulge up for me, so I actually had to put it under some other DVDs for a while, so that it would conform to the flatness. But it's okay now, thankfully.
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DT's worst packaging ever was the Special Edition of BC&SL.
Nah, Digipaks rule.
Agreed. I've got BFTW DVD and I think it's just fine.
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DT's worst packaging ever was the Special Edition of BC&SL.
Yep. I got that one and it was tattered in a week.
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DT's worst packaging ever was the Special Edition of BC&SL.
Yep. I got that one and it was tattered in a week.
Mine's still in perfect condition, as I only took the discs out once to rip them to my computer, and I got it as part of the big boxset, so it's safely stored inside. It wouldn't be practical if the CDs were my main listening format though.
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The problem is that the three envelopes don't actually fill the sleeve completely, and my CD rack is the type that holds 12 CDs stacked on top of one another in each of its compartments, meaning whatever is/was on top of the BCSL CD case ended up skewing the sleeve. I mean, it didn't ruin it, but it does look a bit ugly and squished as a result.
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Which is why they should stick to standardized jewel cases dangit! :getoffmylawn:
I'm not sure I've really looked at the set since I got it, but I also remember the not so nicely glued in booklet.
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I'm a jewel case guy. They fit nicely in my shelves. Jewel cases are different sizes and mess everything up for us music OCD folks.
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I dont mind the packaging. I would prefer the standard blu-ray plastic package, but this isnt too crazy that it is difficult to store and its actually nicer than the standard so I am fine. I prefer this to a CD style packaging like Nightwish's newest Blu Ray or being too large likes Epica's newest blu Ray. However, Iron Maiden's newest in standard form, is my personaly favorite.... because it is standard.
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I'm a jewel case guy. They fit nicely in my shelves. Jewel cases are different sizes and mess everything up for us music OCD folks.
I think you mean digipaks there.
Anyway, the problem I have with jewel cases is that they sometimes tend to crack on me, and if it's an important album, like anything by Dream Theater, it means that I have to find another less important CD, and cannibalize the jewel case from that.
Of course, Digipaks have plastic parts, and if those crack you can't even replace them, so there's that. Both have their ups and downs. But I do like the presentation of a Digipak better.
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Anyway, the problem I have with jewel cases is that they sometimes tend to crack on me, and if it's an important album, like anything by Dream Theater, it means that I have to find another less important CD, and cannibalize the jewel case from that.
Of course, Digipaks have plastic parts, and if those crack you can't even replace them, so there's that. Both have their ups and downs. But I do like the presentation of a Digipak better.
Digipaks are made out of paper that can tear, deform and pale over time, yet you worry about the plastic parts :huh:
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I got the Bluray only package, I don't have a problem with it.
DT's worst packaging ever was the Special Edition of BC&SL.
Bleh, digipaks need to die a horrible painful death. The BTFW DVD is about as good as I've seen though. Pretty good packaging, and the disc holder doesn't suck. I do hate overlapping discs though.
I actually didn't know how to get the disc out, I was so pissed for a couple of minutes. Now that I've figured it out, it's a good idea. ;D ;D
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Digipaks are made out of paper that can tear, deform and pale over time, yet you worry about the plastic parts :huh:
CD booklets are made out of paper too, so they can face the same problems. I mean, jewel case or not, people don't buy CDs to marvel at the clear plastic, so if the booklet in a jewel case fades or rips, or deforms, it's not like having a jewel case is somehow going to redeem it.
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Digipaks are made out of paper that can tear, deform and pale over time, yet you worry about the plastic parts :huh:
CD booklets are made out of paper too, so they can face the same problems. I mean, jewel case or not, people don't buy CDs to marvel at the clear plastic, so if the booklet in a jewel case fades or rips, or deforms, it's not like having a jewel case is somehow going to redeem it.
If you get a digipak, the cardboard that makes up the actual package is exposed. If it is damaged, too bad. You can't replace anything.
On a jewel case (or a DVD case), the case is replaceable, and protects all of the actual content, such as the booklet / cover. If the jewel case gets damaged, you can replace it. The chances of the contents getting damaged are much much lower, because they're not externally exposed. I've seen plenty of cracked cases, but I've never had the cover/booklet get damaged even when the jewel case breaks.
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Well, I make sure not to spill anything on my CDs. I take good care of them. But with jewel cases, sometimes they're cracked by the time they get to my place. I buy the CD, or order it online, and through minor little bumps, it gets cracked before I even unwrap the shrinkwrapping and I immediately have to replace it. It drives me crazy sometimes.
There's obviously pros and cons to both, but all my digipaks just look so special in my collection. I mean, you have regular albums, and then you have these "special editions" and this way, they really do look special.
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What you call "special" I call "cheap", and inconsistent looking. Each to their own. :dunno:
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What you call "special" I call "cheap", and inconsistent looking.
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What you call "special" I call "cheap", and inconsistent looking. Each to their own. :dunno:
Lol, well, if you're gonna get all OCD about all your albums looking consistent...
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Was just listening to the bootleg again and noticed that JR flubbed the solo in AFTR a bit. You can also notice it on the DVD, since the solo suddenly moves a little to the left in the balance.
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Awsome and great performance from all the band members, I really like what they did!!!!!
JP: 10/10 JM: 10/10 MM: 10/10 JR: 10/10 JLB: 10/10
I hope i don't make anyone sad , but
mix: 6/10
I don't like how the guitar is drowned. I wanted to hear louder guitars.
Oh by the way, my best favourite live song of all the time is:
Live in Lunapark, The spirit carries on.
I know that it is not related to this one, but i wanted to mention it.
I loved the looking glass in this release, and of course, illumination theory!
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I don't think the guitar is drowned, especially because it was overbearing live (as always).
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I wouldnt say its drowned either, but its not the clearest. Kind of muddy IMO.
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Just got my hands on the DVD I ordered, and god it's nearly fantastic! I have to say nearly because of a few points that bothered me. I already had a thread upon how JMX was mixed in so quietly, and it's really obvious in this release. If he was louder, then the DVD would've been far better than how it is now. Also the visual quality isn't as good as I've expected, LALP looked better I guess. And the orchestra would've been used better than it has been, but man I really didn't think they could cope with TDOE, they did a real good job no matter what.
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What you call "special" I call "cheap", and inconsistent looking. Each to their own. :dunno:
Speaking of shitty digipacks - the new Foo Fighters album has a very shoddy package. It's like the Black Clouds 3 CD edition but possibly even worse. ::)
I wasn't sure about the album before - but now I definitely don't want to buy it.
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Is it just me, or has this release not been promoted anywhere bear as much as Luna park was? A lot of people don't seem to know this existed and my local music store (HMV) has only 2 copies of it in stock on release (1 blu-ray, 1 DVD). Also a lot of online articles are still showing clips from Luna park DVD, as if they think it's DT's latest release...
Anyone else feel this way? Seems a lot of people are missing out on one the best live dvds they've had out in years.
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Is it just me, or has this release not been promoted anywhere bear as much as Luna park was? A lot of people don't seem to know this existed and my local music store (HMV) has only 2 copies of it in stock on release (1 blu-ray, 1 DVD). Also a lot of online articles are still showing clips from Luna park DVD, as if they think it's DT's latest release...
Anyone else feel this way? Seems a lot of people are missing out on one the best live dvds they've had out in years.
Petruccian slip? :lol
Yeah, you may be right. It sucks, because yeah, it's a fantastic release. But keep in mind how many delays LALP had. They had way more time to promote it and in fact, they NEEDED to, so people wouldn't forget the damn thing was coming, which I think inadvertedly ended up being a much better marketing campaign for the release. It also gave them more time to flesh out what kinds of releases they were going to make for it.
Which does suck, because I'd much rather have a large fancy all inclusive tour book of this one. Or some other kind of super special edition that wasn't just, "It comes with a poster! Yay!"
While it's a great release, and I don't have any complaints about the sound or anything of the sort, it does seem like several things about it were a little rushed.
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Isn't Luna Park from a different label? Luna Park was Eagle Rocks and this one is Roadrunner, right?
There is probably the difference in marketing.
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Isn't Luna Park from a different label? Luna Park was Eagle Rocks and this one is Roadrunner, right?
There is probably the difference in marketing.
Wow, you may be right. If that's the reason, it's a damn shame that the very label that's in charge of releasing DT's studio albums does less advertising for them than a label that just picked them up for one live album.
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I feel like RR normally makes more money because of their other big names.
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I feel like RR normally makes more money because of their other big names.
Yes, but if they have so much money, they should be able to cough up more of it for advertising. DT is no small underground band. They're really well known and well respected, and RR should treat them as such. Although they don't seem to be complaining.
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I feel like RR normally makes more money because of their other big names.
Yes, but if they have so much money, they should be able to cough up more of it for advertising. DT is no small underground band. They're really well known and well respected, and RR should treat them as such. Although they don't seem to be complaining.
I wonder if it could be that Eagle Rock has more at risk than RoadRunner and hence one being more agressive in advertising? Also with the delays of LaLP, it kind of became more necessary. DT were still touring with BtFW came out so it may not have been necessary to advertise so much.
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I feel like RR normally makes more money because of their other big names.
Yes, but if they have so much money, they should be able to cough up more of it for advertising. DT is no small underground band. They're really well known and well respected, and RR should treat them as such. Although they don't seem to be complaining.
I think DT's level of success is probably well gauged at this point, and I doubt things have changed for them much in the last 10-15 years. They're not necessarily a growing band anymore. Each album comes out, sells 30k, then the band go out and play the Euro festivals and headlining shows in Europe 2x, North America, South America, and maybe a small stint in Asia. In other words, things are probably very stable and predictable in the world of DT business. Roadrunner probably know very well what resources DT need to maximize profits, and it's a bit niave to think that RR advertising more could make much of a difference for DT.
Or, I could be wrong, and RR are complete hacks who don't know how to run their business. Given their level of success in an awful music economy, though, I'd imagine that RR are pretty good at what they do.
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As far as why BTFW didn't get the big push that Luna Park did, I'd imagine there's a few reasons for that. THE FOLLOWING IS COMPLETE CONJECTURE:
I wonder if maybe DT weren't a little burnt by Luna Park. They spent a lot of money filming the show professionally over two nights with all those HD cameras. They even went with a limited theatrical release. Over The Edge were supposed to be making the release really special, with tons of extra features. I have no idea what went wrong along the way, but the finished product was 1.) delayed way too long, not released until DT12 was already out 2.) flawed in terms of the audio and video syncing and 3.) pretty much vapid of extra content. Plus, 4.) I suspect the theatrical release didn't do too well.
At the end of the day, it seems like DT put a lot of time and work into making Luna Park special, and I do wonder if all of it paid off. At the end of the day, how many people bought Luna Park that hadn't bought Score, Live at Budokan, and all their other DVDs? Why put so much more effort into something, when that work is not really going to affect sales figures? I would like to see a comparison of the sales figures for Luna Park and Breaking the Fourth Wall. I would be willing to bet that Breaking the Fourth Wall sold about the same as Luna Park, even without all that pomp and circumstance. Plus, fan reaction to BTFW has been just as good, if not better, than it was for Luna Park.
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Or, I could be wrong, and RR are complete hacks who don't know how to run their business. Given their level of success in an awful music economy, though, I'd imagine that RR are pretty good at what they do.
Obviously not, but I know a few bands who were kind of left with a bitter taste in their mouth after being signed to RR. I mean, the question is, hypothetically, let's say DT asked, "Hey, we think this record is going to be really special, and we want to go a little further advertising it with hopes of pulling in some new audiences." Would RR give them anything extra? Or would they just say, "No, this is what you get. Deal with it"?
I suspect the theatrical release didn't do too well.
Well, I don't know about everywhere else, but by the time I found out about the theatrical release in my area, it was already sold out.
Plus, fan reaction to BTFW has been just as good, if not better, than it was for Luna Park.
Reaction, yes, but what about exposure? It's a little cynical to believe that DT makes no new fans at all these days. For every sorry skeptic who stops listening to them, there's someone out there discovering them for the first time, and loving it.
And with Luna Park, for the longest time, I've seen it at the forefront of music DVD section at my local HMV, so at the very least, the store was inclined to upsell it, which may have been an influence of Eagle's marketing campaign for it. With BTFW, I'm not so sure.
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To be clear, I don't think that they don't make new fans. Certainly people are discovering them as time goes by, and there are people that lose interest over time too. I'm just going by album sales, which have stayed pretty much the same as far back as I know. DT albums sell pretty predictably, and no advertising campaign is going to turn them into a multiplatinum act :biggrin:
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To be clear, I don't think that they don't make new fans. Certainly people are discovering them as time goes by, and there are people that lose interest over time too. I'm just going by album sales, which have stayed pretty much the same as far back as I know. DT albums sell pretty predictably, and no advertising campaign is going to turn them into a multiplatinum act :biggrin:
Maybe not multiplatinum, but I'm sure a little bit extra could go a long way. Advertising is a powerful mistress.
Dream Theater may not be an obscure band, but a lot of people who have heard of them haven't actually listened to any songs. What better way to pique their interest than with some extra advertising on Youtube and the like.
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What do you think DT could do to expose themselves to a new audience? I'm pretty sure everyone in the metal world knows who they are. But I guess they could get a little more up to date with some things. For example, I never hear Spotify ads for DT, but I hear them for a ton of other bands. Not sure whether it'd make a huge difference though.
Not trying to derail the point with this thread. My main thing was just commenting on the idea that Breaking the Fourth Wall needed more pomp around it. I think they tried that last time, and it wasn't necessarily making a big difference for them.
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Well, like I said, a lot of people are aware of them, but there are quite a few that just never really heard the music, and advertising could pique their interests.
But yeah, what about LALP and BTFW? Do we have any kind of sales statistics for them? How are they doing?
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I don't know about advertising, but in terms of distribution, it was much easier for me to find BTFW than LALP here (I had to order LALP online instead). So being released by RR has an impact there.
Unless they go gold/platinum, I doubt we'll get any sales figures for either of them.
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Awww YEAH! It has Finally Free and Space-Dye Vest on it! :corn
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I don't know if it has been already discussed, but in Illumination Theory, in the first guitar solo of IV. The Pursuit Of Truth (before the keytar solo) we almost exclusively see the right side of the stage (from the point of view of the band). Was there any edition/overdub on JP's solo?
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I don't know if it has been already discussed, but in Illumination Theory, in the first guitar solo of IV. The Pursuit Of Truth (before the keytar solo) we almost exclusively see the right side of the stage (from the point of view of the band). Was there any edition/overdub on JP's solo?
It can be verified with a comparison with the bootleg, I guess, but it's no news that there were a lot of parts reworked in post-production.
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This is an odd section. They don't show Petrucci as if to hide an overdub, but his playing is so sloppy that it wouldn't make sense for this to be an overdub.
He races through the solo without any feeling, but still can't keep up with the beat. He even has to ignore the little break near the end of the solo (which I consider essential) and keeps racing to fit all the notes in the allotted time.
This solo is the reason I prefer the studio version of the song.
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I already asked this question in another thread, but everyone ignored me. :sad:
I'll try again here.
Does anyone know what those weird creepy monster things in the Illumination Theory animation are supposed to be?
Where do they come from? What are their desires, thoughts and beliefs? What sort of culture do they come from?
I want to make a book about them.
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I already asked this question in another thread, but everyone ignored me. :sad:
I'll try again here.
Does anyone know what those weird creepy monster things in the Illumination Theory animation are supposed to be?
Where do they come from? What are their desires, thoughts and beliefs? What sort of culture do they come from?
I want to make a book about them.
Truly have no idea. I'm curious as well
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I already asked this question in another thread, but everyone ignored me. :sad:
I'll try again here.
Does anyone know what those weird creepy monster things in the Illumination Theory animation are supposed to be?
Where do they come from? Why are they here? Where do they go when they die?
I want to make a book about them.
Fix'd
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so I never got around to buying this at the time, but will be fixing that soon. I'm looking on Amazon.com (aka Amazon US) and this is what I see as the main option when searching for dream theater breaking the fourth wall
https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Fourth-Boston-Opera-Blu-ray/dp/B00MUDYJ5W/ref=sr_1_1_twi_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425793649&sr=8-1&keywords=dream+theater+breaking+the+fourth+wall
I'm confused by two things:
- the region listed as B/2. Why is Amazon US selling this as the primary option?
- the run-time is listed as 90 minutes. I thought this was well over that.
anybody have any insight into either item?
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A mistake on Amazon's part regarding the length I can only assume.
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yeah, I can get past that one. But the region still baffles me. There was a discussion started on the product page, but it's all people asking the question with no answers.
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yeah, I can get past that one. But the region still baffles me. There was a discussion started on the product page, but it's all people asking the question with no answers.
Strange. If you look at the picture of the back cover and read the bottom it says 'Made in E.U.' Do they not have an American version for sale?
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Anybody here annoyed with how they looped some of the audience noise? Especially this high-pitched laughter that always comes in the left speaker. It's distracting.
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Anybody here annoyed with how they looped some of the audience noise? Especially this high-pitched laughter that always comes in the left speaker. It's distracting.
Can you point out when this happens in the DVD/BR? I never catched that.
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Anybody here annoyed with how they looped some of the audience noise? Especially this high-pitched laughter that always comes in the left speaker. It's distracting.
Can you point out when this happens in the DVD/BR? I never catched that.
The clearest is at the start of the second set, one before the band comes in, and another around two bars after the drums come in. It's a high pitched "hahaha!" that comes in the left speaker. At first I was not distracted and then I heard it in the other songs. Before the AFTR intro, after the full band comes in Illumination Theory, at the end of the second set, after the big intro of Overture 1928, just to name a few. That high pitched "hahaha" is always coming in the left speaker.
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yeah, I can get past that one. But the region still baffles me. There was a discussion started on the product page, but it's all people asking the question with no answers.
Strange. If you look at the picture of the back cover and read the bottom it says 'Made in E.U.' Do they not have an American version for sale?
as best as I can tell, no. very strange.
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Anybody here annoyed with how they looped some of the audience noise? Especially this high-pitched laughter that always comes in the left speaker. It's distracting.
The beginning of Enigma Machine annoys me with that one.
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yeah, I can get past that one. But the region still baffles me. There was a discussion started on the product page, but it's all people asking the question with no answers.
Strange. If you look at the picture of the back cover and read the bottom it says 'Made in E.U.' Do they not have an American version for sale?
as best as I can tell, no. very strange.
I'm not sure I would go ahead and order it. It seems too risky. Maybe try another site? I know I ordered it from Amazon but that was right when it came out and it was definitely listed as an American version. Let me check my Amazon account and see if I can pull up the old order and the item.
edit: I checked and when I click the links it brings me to the European version. So either I ordered that version unknowingly or they switched the item on the page. All I can do is check the actual item itself when I get home from work later on and let you know.
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hey, I really appreciate it. Thanks for looking out for a fellow DT fan. If you happen to find out anything, let me know.
I did contact Amazon customer service to see if they could figure out if it was a listing error or not. The guy on the other end obviously couldn't verify it himself, but he said he could make a note on the item to have someone look into it. If the listing is incorrect they could change it. I may just try to find it elsewhere, we'll see . . .
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hey, I really appreciate it. Thanks for looking out for a fellow DT fan. If you happen to find out anything, let me know.
I did contact Amazon customer service to see if they could figure out if it was a listing error or not. The guy on the other end obviously couldn't verify it himself, but he said he could make a note on the item to have someone look into it. If the listing is incorrect they could change it. I may just try to find it elsewhere, we'll see . . .
Not a problem. :D
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Anybody here annoyed with how they looped some of the audience noise? Especially this high-pitched laughter that always comes in the left speaker. It's distracting.
The beginning of Enigma Machine annoys me with that one.
Yeah, that's the worst offender, stood out like a sore thumb the first time I listened to the album. There's such a sudden and radical change in the crowd noise, I don't know what they were thinking.
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hey Prog Snob, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on that Amazon listing. I figured the product page just had to be a mistake. It arrived today and I just put it in the player. Glorious DT sounds and pictures quickly filled the room, so the gamble paid off!
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hey Prog Snob, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on that Amazon listing. I figured the product page just had to be a mistake. It arrived today and I just put it in the player. Glorious DT sounds and pictures quickly filled the room, so the gamble paid off!
I was just about to come in here to tell you I haven't got to finding my copy yet because I still haven't unpacked everything in the new place yet. I'm glad it worked out though. Does the note on bottom of the back cover say Made in EU?
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nope. It says manufactured and distributed by Warner Music Group, New York, NY yada yada yada
I'm going to go suggest a change to the product details on Amazon
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in addition to the run time and region being incorrect, I noticed the aspect ratio was listed incorrectly. I think somebody at Amazon was just lazy when they transferred that product page from whatever the original version was.
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Just got this, watching for the first time now! Pretty cool.
No complaints except the same problem from Luna Park; JLB talks over good instrumental parts every now and then.
In The Mirror JP sings in the mic, the "temptation, self control, etc" parts, it doesn't sound at all like him, is it Portnoy's original voice clips or is it just some effect applied on JP's voice?
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Just got this, watching for the first time now! Pretty cool.
No complaints except the same problem from Luna Park; JLB talks over good instrumental parts every now and then.
In The Mirror JP sings in the mic, the "temptation, self control, etc" parts, it doesn't sound at all like him, is it Portnoy's original voice clips or is it just some effect applied on JP's voice?
There are no Portnoy vocals in the backing tracks, it's all either JP or JLB, with vocal effects. If it doesn't sound like JP, then it's JLB.
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Just got this, watching for the first time now! Pretty cool.
No complaints except the same problem from Luna Park; JLB talks over good instrumental parts every now and then.
In The Mirror JP sings in the mic, the "temptation, self control, etc" parts, it doesn't sound at all like him, is it Portnoy's original voice clips or is it just some effect applied on JP's voice?
There are no Portnoy vocals in the backing tracks, it's all either JP or JLB, with vocal effects. If it doesn't sound like JP, then it's JLB.
Of course, in Shattered Fortress, it doesn't sound like either of them because of the vocal effect. More importantly, it doesn't sound the same the studio version indicating as Blob said, everything has been rerecorded.
Even Root of All Evil on LALP seems to have a newly recorded drum intro.
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Excellent BluRay, Illumination Theory, Dance of Eternity, The Mirror and Space Dye Vest are the highlights.
Man JLB did such a great job on Space Dye Vest, I love every little change he did in delivers some of the lines. The "There's no one to take my blame.." verse was simply wonderful. Props to the whole band on this SDV, stayed true to the original with little tweaks that made it even more enjoyable.
I gotta say I couldn't take my eyes off Mangini for the whole SDV performance he was fun to watch even in the no-drums sections, he just leaned on his set and watched the band play :lol
I dunno if it's just my TV but I could barely hear the orchestra, they're only audible when JP's guitar is clean or with little distortion level.
As fun as it was on LSFN and Budokhan; the Dance of Eternity's heavy section near the climax of the song is pretty amazing to watch, especially how JP and JMX arms and hands are moving in total sync.
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BTFW has surpassed Score as my favorite live video release that DT has ever done.
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It won't pass Budokan for me, but it is the 2nd best and tops Score. The overall quality of this is very good.
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I might watch this again later.
Is it this one or Luna Park that has that breathy vocal mic problem ?
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I already asked this question in another thread, but everyone ignored me. :sad:
I'll try again here.
Does anyone know what those weird creepy monster things in the Illumination Theory animation are supposed to be?
Where do they come from? Why are they here? Where do they go when they die?
I want to make a book about them.
Fix'd
:JayOctavarium: :clap: :lol
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The visuals, sound, and performance level are so high that the only thing that could prevent this from being most fans' favorite would be, I would imagine, the setlist, which is completely understandable.
Well, also, there are a couple times where JLB does something a little too JLB-ish.
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there are a couple times where JLB does something a little too JLB-ish.
Explain?
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You know.
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Do I? Seriously. Do I?
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"Burden me, lead me like a lamb to the slaughter, yeeeeeeeeee"
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I might watch this again later.
Is it this one or Luna Park that has that breathy vocal mic problem ?
I remember Luna Park having that issue, especially during The Spirit Carries On.
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And the way he says "reflection" on SDV, facepalm moment heh
"Whooo this is not how I want it to end, whooo and I'll never be open again", the "ow"s from the album version didn't need to be tweaked IMO, especially not with "who" :lol
Honestly though I look past these couple of things for the GLORIOUS delivery he gave on "there's no where to set my aim..", fuckin kicked my ass, I clapped.
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Nevermind, Hef. I know what you're talking about now :lol
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You know.
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I was just listening to the CDs in the car and the back vocals in The Mirror are definitely JLB, I don't see why JP felt the need to lip sync..
I'm 90% sure the back vocals in the final section of Illumination Theory are lip synced too, it's still JP of course as it is on the album but he's not singing it live for some reason, anyone know?
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I noticed this as well. I would be intrigued as to why. Unless JP can do a seriously good JLB impression.
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And there's other stuff that is blatantly on a backing track like guitar harmonies and you don't see JLB holding a guitar for those 2 seconds.
So many bands now use backing tracks and play to a click live that nobody would even care.
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And there's other stuff that is blatantly on a backing track like guitar harmonies and you don't see JLB holding a guitar for those 2 seconds.
So many bands now use backing tracks and play to a click live that nobody would even care.
You cannot see JLB holding a guitar like.... NEVER! ;)
B.Lee
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I don't have a problem with the backing track, I just wanna know why the lip syncing.
I really like JP's live vocals, "Is there fantasy in refuge? God in politicians?" section in Voices LSFN and As I Am from Budokhan were great examples on him harmonizing with JLB.
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I have no problem with backing tracks, but I prefer JP to either really sing (as in we can really hear him use his voice) or just let the backing tracks be backing tracks. I get they probably want it to look live and that's the reasoning.
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The lip syncing of background vocals is a complaint for me.
Honestly, I'd rather him sing it live than have any backing track.
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Yeah, either he should sing it live, or they should use a backing track and he just doesn't pretend to sing it live. No reason to fake it.
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I have no problem with backing tracks, but I prefer JP to either really sing (as in we can really hear him use his voice) or just let the backing tracks be backing tracks. I get they probably want it to look live and that's the reasoning.
This is how I feel about it. I don't have any problem with backing tracks for vocals, it's just the visual of lip syncing that has looked a bit silly to me on the last two DVDs, one of my few gripes with them.
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Isn't it at all possible that JP sang the lines live but it post production said, "Oh, god...that's awful, have James overdub some vocals to clean that up." Or, he is singing along with the backing tracks but for the same reason, had them cut from the recording.
He is the producer after all.
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Isn't it at all possible that JP sang the lines live but it post production said, "Oh, god...that's awful, have James overdub some vocals to clean that up." Or, he is singing along with the backing tracks but for the same reason, had them cut from the recording.
He is the producer after all.
I've pretty much always thought something along these lines. My guess is the idea was to blend the JLB backing track and JP's vocals and then JP got a little self conscious during the mixing process and his vocals ended up buried.
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Isn't it at all possible that JP sang the lines live but it post production said, "Oh, god...that's awful, have James overdub some vocals to clean that up." Or, he is singing along with the backing tracks but for the same reason, had them cut from the recording.
He is the producer after all.
They had the backing tracks live though, with JP equally inaudible, not just on the DVD.
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reading comprehension error
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Isn't it at all possible that JP sang the lines live but it post production said, "Oh, god...that's awful, have James overdub some vocals to clean that up." Or, he is singing along with the backing tracks but for the same reason, had them cut from the recording.
He is the producer after all.
They had the backing tracks live though, with JP equally inaudible, not just on the DVD.
Is this from people who were there ?
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Isn't it at all possible that JP sang the lines live but it post production said, "Oh, god...that's awful, have James overdub some vocals to clean that up." Or, he is singing along with the backing tracks but for the same reason, had them cut from the recording.
He is the producer after all.
They had the backing tracks live though, with JP equally inaudible, not just on the DVD.
Is this from people who were there ?
No of course not, we all just make up stories, then pass them down from generation to generation until story becomes myth, and myth becomes fact. The hope is that one day, historians will dig up the DTF server and recover the database, and write a new world history based solely on our own accounts of events. Then we will have won.
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I already asked this question in another thread, but everyone ignored me. :sad:
I'll try again here.
Does anyone know what those weird creepy monster things in the Illumination Theory animation are supposed to be?
Where do they come from? Why are they here? Where do they go when they die?
I want to make a book about them.
Fix'd
HAHAHAHAA :lol :lol priceless
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Isn't it at all possible that JP sang the lines live but it post production said, "Oh, god...that's awful, have James overdub some vocals to clean that up." Or, he is singing along with the backing tracks but for the same reason, had them cut from the recording.
He is the producer after all.
They had the backing tracks live though, with JP equally inaudible, not just on the DVD.
Is this from people who were there ?
No of course not, we all just make up stories, then pass them down from generation to generation until story becomes myth, and myth becomes fact. The hope is that one day, historians will dig up the DTF server and recover the database, and write a new world history based solely on our own accounts of events. Then we will have won.
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I already asked this question in another thread, but everyone ignored me. :sad:
I'll try again here.
Does anyone know what those weird creepy monster things in the Illumination Theory animation are supposed to be?
Where do they come from? What are their desires, thoughts and beliefs? What sort of culture do they come from?
I want to make a book about them.
Truly have no idea. I'm curious as well
The artist who created the animation for IT has an account on here and had some threads going about the video. I'm still trying to find the threads. I'll post a link if I find them.
*Edit - found it. His name is Thomas Pasieka which is also his username. Here is a thread where he is talking about the video https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38531.msg1748631#msg1748631
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No of course not, we all just make up stories, then pass them down from generation to generation until story becomes myth, and myth becomes fact. The hope is that one day, historians will dig up the DTF server and recover the database, and write a new world history based solely on our own accounts of events. Then we will have won.
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Isn't it at all possible that JP sang the lines live but it post production said, "Oh, god...that's awful, have James overdub some vocals to clean that up." Or, he is singing along with the backing tracks but for the same reason, had them cut from the recording.
He is the producer after all.
They had the backing tracks live though, with JP equally inaudible, not just on the DVD.
Is this from people who were there ?
No of course not, we all just make up stories, then pass them down from generation to generation until story becomes myth, and myth becomes fact. The hope is that one day, historians will dig up the DTF server and recover the database, and write a new world history based solely on our own accounts of events. Then we will have won.
:lol
I was there and the show was ear piercing. I was under the mezzanine and the sound was bouncing so the small, audible stuff like backing vocals were missed.
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I used to think JP's vocals had been removed in post-production due to them not sounding good, but for example, on the Wacken thing, that's totally him and it doesn't sound bad, in Budokan he does a good job.
However, it appears JP has done this since a long time ago, I recall reading MP saying that most of JP's voice in LSFNY was re-recorded, except during Through Her Eyes.
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On Illumination Theory, the pre-recorded track of JLB saying: "Hate Dividing Us, Love Reminding Us" are louder than the actual vocal from the live show and it always bugged me--or maybe it's just me
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It is an awesome live performance.
Now who else here got the goosebumps during Space Dye Vest live? I was like oh crap I creamed my panties when John soloed over the outhru of Space dye Vest
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I just recently saw the Breaking The Fourth Wall for the first time last week and Space Dye Vest was honestly the low point for me in the concert.
I just don't think the song translates well live.
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It is an awesome live performance.
Now who else here got the goosebumps during Space Dye Vest live? I was like oh crap I creamed my panties when John soloed over the outhru of Space dye Vest
Goosebumps? No, but that's, I think, when I turned it off. SDV is not an epic song, trying to make it one just misses the point that Kevin Moore had when he wrote it.
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I liked it. The live solo JP did was one of the best guitar solos I've ever heard. I feel like it's slightly altered on the official release. Anyone else feel that way? Rumbo??
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It's funny, I enjoy it more on the DVD. It was so ear piercingly loud that a lot of the song were hard to enjoy.
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It was fucking loud, but Nick's boot is fantastic. And he captured JP's SDV solo perfectly.
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Hell yeah. You know why it was great? He borrowed a hat from me to hold his microphone. I was so tempted to make it a B's hat. :lol
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It is an awesome live performance.
Now who else here got the goosebumps during Space Dye Vest live? I was like oh crap I creamed my panties when John soloed over the outhru of Space dye Vest
Loved the guitar solo outtro.
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Still my favorite live release of theirs. Fantastic. Looks fantastic. Sounds fantastic. Is fantastic.
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It is an awesome live performance.
Now who else here got the goosebumps during Space Dye Vest live? I was like oh crap I creamed my panties when John soloed over the outhru of Space dye Vest
Goosebumps? No, but that's, I think, when I turned it off. SDV is not an epic song, trying to make it one just misses the point that Kevin Moore had when he wrote it.
You're right. I did not feel that mood I feel when I listen to the album version. With a song like that, it takes away from it.
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So the discussion in the MM thread inspired me to watch Illumination Theory from BTFW. His drumming, though complex, is pretty accessible.
But I wanted to say this: I simply do not trust the "liveness" of this release. Did I actually hear a harmonized guitar bit? And damn is the orchestra distracting. Apparently they used the studio version for the middle piece, but does anyone know about the rest of the song?
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So the discussion in the MM thread inspired me to watch Illumination Theory from BTFW. His drumming, though complex, is pretty accessible.
But I wanted to say this: I simply do not trust the "liveness" of this release. Did I actually hear a harmonized guitar bit? And damn is the orchestra distracting. Apparently they used the studio version for the middle piece, but does anyone know about the rest of the song?
Well, for the harmonized guitar he may be using a harmonizer pedal. Or just a backing track.
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BTFW version of SDV is the only version I can tolerate. Original is too boring... Budokan HY is in the exact same category comparing it to studio version for me. The live versions breathes life into songs that didn't exist on the originals.
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Funny this thread gets bumped, been spending all my time watching every DT live release after seeing them live last week. Today I popped this bluray in and I'm ashamed to say I've only seen it once prior to today. Such a great performance.
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So the discussion in the MM thread inspired me to watch Illumination Theory from BTFW. His drumming, though complex, is pretty accessible.
But I wanted to say this: I simply do not trust the "liveness" of this release. Did I actually hear a harmonized guitar bit? And damn is the orchestra distracting. Apparently they used the studio version for the middle piece, but does anyone know about the rest of the song?
Entirely independently, I rewatched the old TTLG video yesterday, which was a non-final edit of BTFW, and contained that overdub of the solo. ( https://youtu.be/DI7E_QvetVM , the end of the solo). BTFW is pretty massively overdubbed actually. At some point I had a bootleg of the show (sadly lost it) and did an A/B comparison. I found that all instruments were overdubbed at some place or another, many times unnecessarily so IMO.
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Right. Even vocally, looking at James' lips and the sound I hear, it just doesn't seem right.
This is where (oh no I can't believe I'm going here) they miss MP. He had a great knack of hiding these things in the editing process.
I was there, and I still have not really dived into BTFW that much. I grew so accustomed to the bootleg in the months following the show. Especially James forgetting Erin's name and thanking the Boston college of music. :lol
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As someone who grew up in the era that gave us World Wide Live, Kiss - Alive!, and Unleashed in the East, I'm surprised to see you even bat an eye at this.
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I will have to say the video editing of the fourth wall is less than enticing. I don't think it reflects the performance and doesn't go a lot with the musical cues. For eg there are several moments in the heavy set of the Awake songs that they use fading in and out as a transition as opposed to a quick cut, other times they linger way too long on just one musician when the intensity of the song dictates otherwise. I don't know about the overdub part as I don't think it affects my enjoyment much case in point I know Live at the Marquee is heavily overdubbed but I enjoy listening to that record a lot regardless.
I made a video rip of the fourth wall concert and have to say whatever downmix handbrake did to the output makes it sound fantastic and I watched/listened the entire thing start to finish yesterday and I might listen to it again today.
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As someone who grew up in the era that gave us World Wide Live, Kiss - Alive!, and Unleashed in the East, I'm surprised to see you even bat an eye at this.
Well, I know EVERY live album has studio work. Heck even Kiss Alive II and UFO's Strangers In The Night have two tracks each recorded in a studio with crowd noise mixed on top.
WWL sounds so fake, I never listen to it.
More on this later...
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I will have to say the video editing of the fourth wall is less than enticing. I don't think it reflects the performance and doesn't go a lot with the musical cues. For eg there are several moments in the heavy set of the Awake songs that they use fading in and out as a transition as opposed to a quick cut, other times they linger way too long on just one musician when the intensity of the song dictates otherwise. I don't know about the overdub part as I don't think it affects my enjoyment much case in point I know Live at the Marquee is heavily overdubbed but I enjoy listening to that record a lot regardless.
I made a video rip of the fourth wall concert and have to say whatever downmix handbrake did to the output makes it sound fantastic and I watched/listened the entire thing start to finish yesterday and I might listen to it again today.
I agree on the video editing, but I think it was better than on LALP, which had lots of out of sync parts and was mostly a Petrucci cam DVD :lol
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I will have to rewatch Luna park afterwards as I don't remember much of the video editing, I don't remember it being an issue at the time though.
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No the issue was the crap sound.
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I play BTFW as much as SDOIT and SFAM which is a very good rating in itself. Really like how the sound turned out. Illumination Theory went from good (CD) to god damn amazing thanks to the live dvd.
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No the issue was the crap sound.
I actually think the sound is really good on the Luna Park blu-ray, especially the drums.. In fact it's a toss up for me which one I like better, LALP or BTFW. Both great shows in their own way.
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I checked out a little of Luna park yesterday, the sound issue pretty much is the keyboard so low in the mix. I rip all my bluray so a similar thing happened with Rush's Clockwork Angels Tour bluray is the downmix that the program handbrake does is really good. That made both these concerts sounds so much better. The audio output is much clearer and a bit more balanced.
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JP is way too loud on Luna Park.
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JP is way too loud on Luna Park.
This. My blu ray is all JP
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I checked out a little of Luna park yesterday, the sound issue pretty much is the keyboard so low in the mix. I rip all my bluray so a similar thing happened with Rush's Clockwork Angels Tour bluray is the downmix that the program handbrake does is really good. That made both these concerts sounds so much better. The audio output is much clearer and a bit more balanced.
I was not impressed with the sound mix on the Clockwork Angels dvd/blu-ray. The drums were drown out, especially the kick. It was the same thing at the C.A. concert too. As many years Rush has been touring, I couldn't believe they couldn't get the drum sound right. R40 was an improvement.
Same happened to DT when they toured with Queensryche. The Toms and the Kickdrum were totally non-present. Strange that when Queensryche played, the drums were all perectly present. Hmmm, how bout that..
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JP is way too loud on Luna Park.
JP too loud and JR too low, IMO.
Also, JLB gave one of his best DVD live performances and he mostly sounds amazing, but his vocals are badly mixed in the ballads. He is way too loud and the microphone imperfections come upfront way too much. I LOVE his rendition of Beneath the Surface and The Silent Man, but the mix is not good at all in those two tunes.
Luna Park had the potential of being one great live release (and it kinda is), but it fell flat in many departments. Also, the hype was so big for this one that when it finally got released after so much waiting lots of people were like: eh?
Watching it on the cinema was a pretty neat experience, tho.
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JP too loud and JR too low, IMO.
Also, JLB gave one of his best DVD live performances and he mostly sounds amazing, but his vocals are badly mixed in the ballads. He is way too loud and the microphone imperfections come upfront way too much. I LOVE his rendition of Beneath the Surface and The Silent Man, but the mix is not good at all in those two tunes.
Luna Park had the potential of being one great live release (and it kinda is), but it fell flat in many departments. Also, the hype was so big for this one that when it finally got released after so much waiting lots of people were like: eh?
Watching it on the cinema was a pretty neat experience, tho.
Yup, good post. For pretty much those reasons, BTFW>LP for me.
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JP is way too loud on Luna Park.
JP too loud and JR too low, IMO.
Also, JLB gave one of his best DVD live performances and he mostly sounds amazing, but his vocals are badly mixed in the ballads. He is way too loud and the microphone imperfections come upfront way too much. I LOVE his rendition of Beneath the Surface and The Silent Man, but the mix is not good at all in those two tunes.
Luna Park had the potential of being one great live release (and it kinda is), but it fell flat in many departments. Also, the hype was so big for this one that when it finally got released after so much waiting lots of people were like: eh?
Watching it on the cinema was a pretty neat experience, tho.
Yea pretty much this. I also thought the crowd was going to be a bit more wild being south of the border, but it turned out to be no different than any other DT dvd besides the Chile official bootleg.
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I've never seen the Chile official bootleg, how is it?
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I've never seen the Chile official bootleg, how is it?
It's a must have.
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I've never seen the Chile official bootleg, how is it?
It's a must have.
Is it audio or video? Where can I find this? I didn't see it in the bootleg section.
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It's a Ytsejam DVD.
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It's a Ytsejam DVD.
Cool thanks!!!
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I've never seen the Chile official bootleg, how is it?
It's a must have.
I'm not sure I would say it's a must have. It's similar to other ytsejam official bootlegs, poorer quality compared to official DVDs. But I find this one really unique in that there's a large wild crowd and DT performs with a minimal set up. I personally like some of the other official bootleg videos to be better concerts in terms of setlist and performance, but this one stands out mostly do to the setting as I mentioned.
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I feel like I want to sit down and watch all the live releases after reading the last page or so.
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I'm not sure I would say it's a must have. It's similar to other ytsejam official bootlegs, poorer quality compared to official DVDs. But I find this one really unique in that there's a large wild crowd and DT performs with a minimal set up. I personally like some of the other official bootleg videos to be better concerts in terms of setlist and performance, but this one stands out mostly do to the setting as I mentioned.
I love the small rig. I find it Zeppelin-esque. But all of the official bootleg DVDs are must haves IMO. It's a shame they have not been continued.
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I did not recall ever having seen the bootleg, but I watched it on Youtube yesterday. Entirely agree, it's incredible. It's as raw as you would hope it to be (plenty of small flubs here and there), James is ON 90% of the time, JP looks like a normal guy, and MP is having a blast. You see JP talking to his guitar tech occasionally (which I find delightful), oh, and that was the time when JR sported his porn mutton chops :lol
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and MP is having a blast.
I'm glad you mentioned that Rumbo. He looks like a 14 y/o kid playing in his bedroom. So joyful.
Plus it's an alternate setlist from Score and has a Band Only version of 8V. I can even live the corny Beat Club effects during Peruvian Skies.
And speaking of corny effects, has there ever been an explanation why they added all of that shit during Scarred on BTFW?
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Yeah it's a great video because it is so raw and stripped down. It's different than most other stuff they have put out in that regard.
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You see JP talking to his guitar tech occasionally (which I find delightful)...
JP and Maddi are pretty tight. Even after the shows are over, it seems like Maddi is rarely more than a few feet away from wherever John is.
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And speaking of corny effects, has there ever been an explanation why they added all of that shit during Scarred on BTFW?
:lol I feel your pain. I remember watching it the first time and going, "Wait... what...? Just... WHY?!"
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You see JP talking to his guitar tech occasionally (which I find delightful)...
JP and Maddi are pretty tight. Even after the shows are over, it seems like Maddi is rarely more than a few feet away from wherever John is.
I love seeing that stuff, because it reminds what an insane amount of work and support goes into concerts like that. It's not just 5 guys on stage, there's 20 other people working the ropes in the background.
Peter Gabriel has a really cool live DVD called "Downside Up" where they make a point out of occasionally filming below stage to show all the guys being busy.
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Peter Gabriel has a really cool live DVD called "Downside Up" where they make a point out of occasionally filming below stage to show all the guys being busy.
I've never seen that, but I bet it's real cool.
Iron Maiden routinely highlights their crew members on DVDs.
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You see JP talking to his guitar tech occasionally (which I find delightful)...
JP and Maddi are pretty tight. Even after the shows are over, it seems like Maddi is rarely more than a few feet away from wherever John is.
I love seeing that stuff, because it reminds what an insane amount of work and support goes into concerts like that. It's not just 5 guys on stage, there's 20 other people working the ropes in the background.
Yeah, it's really eye-opening to see (1) how many guys and gals there are working behind the scenes to make a tour happen, and doing all the things most of us don't even give a second thought to, and (2) how nonstop busy they are the vast majority of the time they are on the road. I think a lot of people (myself included for a long time) naively just assume there are maybe 10 or so folks that travel with the band who only really "work" for an hour or two before the show setting up, mostly just hang out casually in case something goes wrong during the show, and then work for an hour or so tearing down afterward. It isn't like that. I don't know how big DT's crew and traveling management staff are, since I have not seen them all in one place at the same time, but I would guess close to 30, and maybe a few more (can you imagine a band like Maiden?). And they are working nonstop.
If it is any indication, here's an anecdote: Typically, whenever DT is scheduled to roll through my town, I start getting emails or PM's from Maddi a couple of weeks before the show where we talk about maybe finding some time to hang out and shoot the breeze. We swap a few messages, but don't really connect because he is so busy. Day of the show, I get there several hours early, and when I see him, Maddi is moving at a very brisk pace to do one of the million things on his list, and I barely get to talk to him before the show, if at all. After the show, we maybe get a quick 30 seconds of "hey, how are you doing? How's the new house? How's the tour going?" And then he is off again. And then a day or so later, I get a PM along the lines of, "Hey, sorry we didn't connect." The dude is just insanely busy. And that goes for all of them. The Reno show a couple of weeks ago was a nice exception to the norm, where I got to just sit down and shoot the breeze with him for a good 15 minutes or so after the show.
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I have heard harrowing stories of riggers for whom the actual show time is the only time when they can rest. So, they get maybe 4 hours of sleep at night, and then pass out during the actual show, only to get up at the end and tear down the stuff.
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That's cool Bosk.
On one of the Maiden DVDs they even went into so much of what the crew does, that they even featured the person that does their laundry. You just don't think about those things. And like any other job group, there are surely strict time and budgetary constraints so everyone is up against it.
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That's cool Bosk.
On one of the Maiden DVDs they even went into so much of what the crew does, that they even featured the person that does their laundry. You just don't think about those things. And like any other job group, there are surely strict time and budgetary constraints so everyone is up against it.
Yeah, I saw that. And through getting close to bands like DT and Y&T, I have gotten some good insight into it over the years. That is why I always jump in on those economic discussions about how "rich" bands get from touring and am quick to point out that there is a TON of expense that most fans have no clue about. It's not simply "band gets 50% of the house take after expenses and splits it 5 ways" or anything remotely like that.
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When I saw Devin Townsend Project a couple months ago, I was so surprised to see the guitarist and keyboardist on stage setting up their own instruments before going on. I feel like that is them trying to maximize their budget or give their roadies a break maybe. There definitely isn't a ton of money to be made in the business, it's about a love for the music.
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That's cool Bosk.
On one of the Maiden DVDs they even went into so much of what the crew does, that they even featured the person that does their laundry. You just don't think about those things. And like any other job group, there are surely strict time and budgetary constraints so everyone is up against it.
Yeah, I saw that. And through getting close to bands like DT and Y&T, I have gotten some good insight into it over the years. That is why I always jump in on those economic discussions about how "rich" bands get from touring and am quick to point out that there is a TON of expense that most fans have no clue about. It's not simply "band gets 50% of the house take after expenses and splits it 5 ways" or anything remotely like that.
Right. I have also heard offline that these last couple DT tours have been VERY expensive.
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And through getting close to bands like DT and Y&T, I have gotten some good insight into it over the years. That is why I always jump in on those economic discussions about how "rich" bands get from touring and am quick to point out that there is a TON of expense that most fans have no clue about. It's not simply "band gets 50% of the house take after expenses and splits it 5 ways" or anything remotely like that.
Exactly right. I've been fortunate enough to have access to a few bands over the years that are just as big in name, but not currently as popular as DT. And it's expensive to get out there as a headliner and tour. You have to limit the size of your crew (who usually perform double and triple duty), and it's not posh hotels and the like all the time. The expenses are high. Most club sized and very small theater headliners, they depends on merch sales to make ends meet. And it's not always profitable.
I mean, look at King's X -- they are a historic band. Every musician credits them. They can't get gigs that make sense financially. Look at the small clubs bands like Fates Warning and Queensryche play? Sure, it's cool, but they are not rolling in dough. They have to pay everyone, and whatever is left, the principals of those bands get. Sometimes, it's not much.
Dream Theater is in a little better position, but not as much as some people think. It costs a ton of money to put the production on they do every night. it wouldn't surprise me in the least of this last leg of The Astonishing tour barely broke even. And that's not a slight to DT -- it's just how it is.
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You see JP talking to his guitar tech occasionally (which I find delightful)...
JP and Maddi are pretty tight. Even after the shows are over, it seems like Maddi is rarely more than a few feet away from wherever John is.
Maddi is a trip. Meeting him was one of the highlights of the show the other night. That is one funny dude. His job is apparently 60% guitar tech, 40% electrical engineer.
He also appreciated the fact that my eldest daughter (who was with me) is named Maddie. :lol
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Peter Gabriel has a really cool live DVD called "Downside Up" where they make a point out of occasionally filming below stage to show all the guys being busy.
"Growing Up," actually. ;) But yeah, it is most excellent. :hat
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JP is way too loud on Luna Park.
This. My blu ray is all JP
But I wasn't even there!
:jamaritard:
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Peter Gabriel has a really cool live DVD called "Downside Up" where they make a point out of occasionally filming below stage to show all the guys being busy.
"Growing Up," actually. ;) But yeah, it is most excellent. :hat
One of my very favorite live concerts ever.
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Epic bump!
I feel stupid because maybe I missed something...but is the CD out of print or something? I’ve checked Amazon and it’s streaming only, and on eBay I can only find the DVD and BluRay.
What the French, toast?
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There is no CD. It is and had always been DVD/Br only.
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Weird....the Wiki page says it was released as a BR/3-CD package, and even gives a track listing for the CDs....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Fourth_Wall?wprov=sfti1
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Weird....the Wiki page says it was released as a BR/3-CD package, and even gives a track listing for the CDs....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Fourth_Wall?wprov=sfti1
This is correct. I have it. My friend was pissed because he doesn't have a blu ray player but still wanted the cd so he never bothered.
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Interesting. If true, then I stand corrected. ...but I also stand highly confused. :lol I ALWAYS buy both CD and video (DVD/BR) of live releases, if available. And I seem to remember being disappointed that there was no audio version of this release, and being disappointed about that. Let me check my sources and get back to you.
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Yeah, Apple Music and Spotify both have the audio to this. However, neither have Live at Luna Park.
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Weird....the Wiki page says it was released as a BR/3-CD package, and even gives a track listing for the CDs....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Fourth_Wall?wprov=sfti1
This is correct. I have it. My friend was pissed because he doesn't have a blu ray player but still wanted the cd so he never bothered.
+1 as I have the Blu-Ray/3 CD version as well.
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Work is going really well, so I’d be willing to spend a bit to get my hands on one (don’t want to get outrageous) but I can’t even find a used one on eBay...which is kinda odd. I mean even rare stuff usually makes a listing, even if the asking price is too high.
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I just checked discogs and they have pages for it but none available. I can't remember but I'm thinking this may have been something you had to order directly through Roadrunner.
Epic bump!
I feel stupid because maybe I missed something...but is the CD out of print or something? I’ve checked Amazon and it’s streaming only,
Well, you can download it, too. I hate downloading but there is that option on Amazon, not just streaming.
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If you want a high-quality version, check out HD Tracks.
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JP is way too loud on Luna Park.
This. My blu ray is all JP
But I wasn't even there!
:jamaritard:
And,, John Petrucci was way too quiet on Live at Budokon dvd..
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I think the BR/3CD was a limited run. It's no longer on RR's website but the stand alone blu ray and DVDs are.
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists-1/dream-theater.html
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Well ya, but I can get those anywhere.
I’m going to keep my eyes open, but if anyone happens to see one for sale, let me know.
Or even if anyone here is willing to sell theirs. I’d drop a C-note if it was absolutely A+ mint condition.
EDIT - that would be for the entire BR/CD bundle in original packaging.
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I never got this when it first came out, and I was also disappointed to find the CD was no longer available.
I'm trying to be more relaxed about things like this, though, so I went for the standalone Blu-Ray and bought the audio download separately.
But hey, I'm listening to this for the first time now, and I quite like it! JLB sounds really good on the Awake stuff, which is where I worried he'd struggle. And I'm happy that this has several songs that have never been released live before. I'm starting to ease back into listening to prog, and I'm finding that listening to live performances is something I like quite a bit more than I used to (which is why I decided to get this and am even going for OIALT, which I'd also never had).
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Yeah, James sounds amazing on this. In fact, the whole band does. The recording is damn near flawless but I felt like Petrucci's guitars were a little low but nothing major.
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Ya, can’t decide if this one or Score is their best live film. Funnily enough, both of those tours are tied for my favorite DT show. Coincidence?
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I feel like I should like this release more. I am a huge Awake guy, and while I love the Scenes just as much The Overture, SDV and TDoE aren't my favorite songs from that album. I am not big on DT12 but the selections from that album are good. Visually and aurally it is solid. I just can't put my finger on it really. Unless it is burnout from DT concert videos, which is certainly a possibility.
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Loved this release and I also got the BR/3CD version as I always like to have the cd version of any live release if it's available. First couple of songs sound a bit muddy guitar wise but this picks up as the show goes on and guitars sound great. This reflects the show that I saw though when I thought the sound was not great early on and picked up as the show went on. JLB sounds awesome on this release as well and sings the Awake stuff pretty much flawlessly, again reflecting the show that I attended earlier in the tour.
Like others have said it is very close with Score for their best live release for me.
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I just wish the orchestra on Score was a really good one. Or, you know. At least in tune.
Apart from that, Score is pretty damn awesome.
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I never really noticed any issue with the orchestra on Score to be honest. I love the version of Metropolis Pt 1 with the orchestra, probably my favourite version of that song.
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I just wish the orchestra on Score was a really good one. Or, you know. At least in tune.
Apart from that, Score is pretty damn awesome.
What do you mean? :huh:
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Ya, that gets a major ??? from me as well.
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I think BTFW blows Score out of the water. Setlist is much better. Performance is better too. James sounds great in both but he has a bit more grittiness and fullness to his voice in BTFW. Plus, yeah...the orchestra is a bit out of tune in parts with Score. Thankfully it isn't *that* noticeable as many here seem to have not noticed.
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Setlist wise, there are some songs on BTFW I can do without, but overall it's pretty damn good. Score, I pretty much liked all the songs and the performance was great. The orchestra was a little out of sync and may have missed a few notes here and there, but still enjoyable.
Both Score and BTFW rank high in my book. :tup
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I just wish the orchestra on Score was a really good one. Or, you know. At least in tune.
Apart from that, Score is pretty damn awesome.
What do you mean? :huh:
There are certain instruments in the orchestra in Score that are out of tune. It's been discussed a lot since Score was released.
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I'm actually watching this video for the very first time today. (I did manage to land a copy of the 1BR/3CD package) And I have to say that MM is just so much fun to watch.
But is it just me, or does the audio not precisely match up with the video the MM cam? It's not the whole video....just the parts where you have the drum cam. His visuals seem to me to be just a split second off the audio.
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It's mostly notable on 6DOIT (the song) and especially the overture. For much of the rest, it's really not terribly noticeable.
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6 D's is not on BTFW.
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6 D's is not on BTFW.
They were talking about Score.
The Orchestra was fine on BTFW, even if mostly lost in the background and irrelevant.
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6 D's is not on BTFW.
They were talking about Score.
The Orchestra was fine on BTFW, even if mostly lost in the background and irrelevant.
No....I was talking about MM's drum cam on BTFW.
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6 D's is not on BTFW.
They were talking about Score.
The Orchestra was fine on BTFW, even if mostly lost in the background and irrelevant.
No....I was talking about MM's drum cam on BTFW.
Yes you were. Your post was the first on a new page for me, so I didn't actually see it when I made my response, which was to the convo at the end of the last page about the orchestra being out of tune. My bad dawg. I'm usually too lazy to insert quotes.
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Well, that at least makes it less confusing. :rollin
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Hey all, new here but I joined specifically for this post. I’m also trying to find the Breaking The Fourth Wall CDs, as they are the only live CDs I don’t have a physical copy of. I’d love to get the full set with the Blu Ray, but I wouldn’t be upset to just get the CDs since they’re so rare. Anyone have a copy that they’re willing to sell? Thanks!
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Hey all, new here but I joined specifically for this post. I’m also trying to find the Breaking The Fourth Wall CDs, as they are the only live CDs I don’t have a physical copy of. I’d love to get the full set with the Blu Ray, but I wouldn’t be upset to just get the CDs since they’re so rare. Anyone have a copy that they’re willing to sell? Thanks!
No I don't, but welcome to the forum! :coolio
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Thanks a lot!!
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Maybe this was already answered somewhere in this thread, but I didn't want to take the time to dig through 50-something pages.
I was watching BTFW yesterday, and I noticed something in the credits that I couldn't explain (this was both in the booklet and the on-screen credits).
The members of the Berklee orchestra had parentheses after their names -- either (Alum) or (BWS) or (E). I assume "Alum" indicates an alumnus/alumnae, but does anyone know what "BWS" and "E" mean? I couldn't find any explanation in the booklet, but maybe I overlooked it.
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BWS means Berklee World Strings (who were part of the orchestra starting with Illu and onwards). I can't remember what the other abbreviation meant. Sorry.
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BWS means Berklee World Strings (who were part of the orchestra starting with Illu and onwards). I can't remember what the other abbreviation meant. Sorry.
That makes sense since some (but not all) of the string players have "BWS" next to their names. 13 of the 25 string players have "BWS." 2 are marked as "Alum," and 10 are marked as "E." 8 of the 10 woodwind players and 5 of the 6 brass players are marked as "E" (and the others are "Alum").