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Title: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: ? on May 16, 2014, 10:23:29 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-unveils-career-spanning-box-set-the-studio-albums-1992-2011/

Ok, this release is pointless if you've got all the albums already, but it might be a good introduction for new fans, depending on how much money they're willing to spend. One thing I'm curious about is how RR got the rights to include the pre-SC albums in the set.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 16, 2014, 10:27:33 AM
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"The Studio Albums 1992-2011" collects the first 10 studio albums from DREAM THEATER's groundbreaking two-decade-plus career, from 1992's RIAA gold-certified classic "Images And Words"..........

I approve of this. :hat
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Weymolith on May 16, 2014, 10:27:59 AM
RoadRunner is owned by Warner Music Group which also owns Atlantic Records and Elektra Records, so all Dream Theater albums (with the exception of WD&DU) are owned by Warner Music.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: ? on May 16, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
RoadRunner is owned by Warner Music Group which also owns Atlantic Records and Elektra Records, so all Dream Theater albums (with the exception of WD&DU) are owned by Warner Music.
Hmm... I didn't realize that. Thanks to Wey for the facts!
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 16, 2014, 10:34:01 AM
Already have all the albums, its cool though I guess.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: aprilethereal on May 16, 2014, 10:39:10 AM
Kind of weird to only include these 10. I can see why DT12 was left out, as most people who might be interested in the box probably already own it since it's DT's most recent album and came out not too long ago, so if someone got into the band through DT12, they wouldn't   want to"rebuy" it. But why leave out WDADU?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Zook on May 16, 2014, 10:40:06 AM
No bonus tracks or anything? Even Century Media included bonus tracks with their cash grab Iced Earth discography box set.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: evz on May 16, 2014, 10:42:31 AM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 16, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
Kind of weird to only include these 10. I can see why DT12 was left out, as most people who might be interested in the box probably already own it since it's DT's most recent album and came out not too long ago, so if someone got into the band through DT12, they wouldn't   want to"rebuy" it. But why leave out WDADU?

Because they don't have the rights to the album.

I could think of plenty of other reasons, but that's the first one, so I'll stop there. :lol
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: The Letter M on May 16, 2014, 11:12:05 AM
Had this included "A Change Of Seasons" with all the B-Sides from Cleaning Out The Closet, as well as "Raw Dog", ALL on a separate disc (B-Sides & Non-Album Tracks), it would've totally been worth getting all the albums again.

It'd be a great incentive to new fans who don't have the stuff yet, but also a good reason for existing fans to buy them all again, especially since tracks like "The Way It Used To Be" and "Don't Look Past Me" have never been available to the general retail public.

-Marc.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: bosk1 on May 16, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
No bonus tracks or anything? Even Century Media included bonus tracks with their cash grab Iced Earth discography box set.

We don't know that there aren't bonus tracks.  It doesn't look like there will be, but it's possible. 

But honestly, what else is out there that hasn't been released in some form already?  Not much.  I mean, they could throw in a few live tracks that are not on official releases, but in terms of extra studio stuff, there really isn't much else out there.  They would have had to record something just for this release.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Zook on May 16, 2014, 11:22:08 AM
no u
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: lithium112 on May 16, 2014, 11:29:45 AM
Cool I guess, but I don't see too many people buying this. With that many records, I think there's a very small number of fans that don't already have one or more of the CDs, and are also willing to buy ALL the albums at the same time.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: ethebubbeth on May 16, 2014, 11:50:49 AM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)

SO MUCH THIS!
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: bosk1 on May 16, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)

SO MUCH THIS!

???  This has nothing to do with HDtracks, so I don't see the connection you are making.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 16, 2014, 11:55:00 AM
Hmmmm, box sets are tricky to work with.  I mean something like this could be tailor made for a fan like me, who's been a fan for less than a year, but it's something that I don't want to spend a lot of money at once on.  In these day and ages, people are more careful to not spend a lot of money at once in something like music, so I can't imagine this tailoring to casual rock fans unless it is promoted really well.

Also, WDADU was released from the record label that Universal Music Group bought or something like that?  Is that why that album is not included?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Good for them, but I don't see myself buying this, since I already have all of it.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: bosk1 on May 16, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
Also, WDADU was released from the record label that Universal Music Group bought or something like that?  Is that why that album is not included?

As Blob mentioned above, it is owned by another label, and neither DT nor RR have the rights to it.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: emtee on May 16, 2014, 12:06:38 PM
Probably going to be a tough sell as a large % of DT fans have all the albums already. Not all but many.

If they would/could have included something like WDaDU re-recorded in studio with JLB, or some other uber special
incentive I would jump on it.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2014, 12:08:18 PM
Yeah, this seems like a bizarre thing to release, since, like has been said, most fans probably already have some or all of the albums already. 

Plus, given that Roadrunner is notorious for compressing albums (notice DT's problem with that really took off once they signed with them), I wouldn't be surprised if they "remastered" the 90s albums to sound more modern, aka louder and not as good.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Implode on May 16, 2014, 12:09:13 PM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)

SO MUCH THIS!

???  This has nothing to do with HDtracks, so I don't see the connection you are making.

Well the fact that they are able rerelease these albums says the it's not impossible for them to also be on HDTracks. Before it wasn't so clear since they only released the RR albums.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Weymolith on May 16, 2014, 12:29:43 PM
No bonus tracks or anything? Even Century Media included bonus tracks with their cash grab Iced Earth discography box set.

We don't know that there aren't bonus tracks.  It doesn't look like there will be, but it's possible. 


I can confirm there are no bonus features of any kind.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: evz on May 16, 2014, 12:56:51 PM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)

SO MUCH THIS!

???  This has nothing to do with HDtracks, so I don't see the connection you are making.

Well the fact that they are able rerelease these albums says the it's not impossible for them to also be on HDTracks. Before it wasn't so clear since they only released the RR albums.

what he said :)
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: YtseJamittaja on May 16, 2014, 01:07:58 PM
This is a release which is not going to sell much. Too bad they didn't include anything special. Something new recorded/rerecorded material there could have sold much better.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Mindflux on May 16, 2014, 01:21:36 PM
This is a release which is not going to sell much. Too bad they didn't include anything special. Something new recorded/rerecorded material there could have sold much better.

It should have been like Joe Satriani's "box set"

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Except DT could have done Jordan's Wizard hat or something rad.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: ? on May 16, 2014, 02:13:54 PM
No bonus tracks or anything? Even Century Media included bonus tracks with their cash grab Iced Earth discography box set.
I think this release is meant for new fans who don't own any DT albums yet. In fact, I'd be pissed off if there was a disc of rarities included, because I wouldn't want to buy a box set just to get those songs.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 16, 2014, 02:31:11 PM
Well Noobs, this one is for you.  Nothing here for us vets, which is strange as DT usually offer something extraordinary as we not just ordinary fans.   Doesn't even have a nice booklet of pictures. Would I buy a box set for a disc of rarities.  The answer is YES. 

I wonder if the band's support is really behind this rather ordinary release.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Podaar on May 16, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
I don't know...I can think of a few people I'd get this for if the price is right.

For example: My youngest daughter just got engaged and her fiance seems really interested in my music collection and has borrowed my DVD of Live at Luna Park to get a feel for what DT is all about. He was blown away and wants to hear more. Now because he's young and poor it would be really fun for me to buy this for him as a birthday or christmas present.

But yeah, probably a pretty limited market unless they picked up a great deal of new fans since the release of DT12.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: son_ov_hades on May 16, 2014, 03:54:49 PM
If this had a vinyl version I'd buy it in a heartbeat, even though I already have all the records(and multiple pressings of a few). I can imagine a few obsessive collectors will buy this.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Ħ on May 16, 2014, 04:02:24 PM
Kind of weird to only include these 10. I can see why DT12 was left out, as most people who might be interested in the box probably already own it since it's DT's most recent album and came out not too long ago, so if someone got into the band through DT12, they wouldn't   want to"rebuy" it. But why leave out WDADU?

Because they don't have the rights to the album.

I could think of plenty of other reasons, but that's the first one, so I'll stop there. :lol

I strongly concur with your "other reasons." :lol

Speculation time - is DT making a statement about which of their albums count as "official"? I certainly hope so. Even not, I'll choose to see it that way anyway.  :angel:
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: wolfking on May 16, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Pointless release.  Even if I was a new fan, I don't usually like these kind of box sets.  I like buying one of two albums at a time, getting into them and them building some anticipation and going out and buying another studio album or two until I have them all.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2014, 04:06:42 PM
It does feel rather underwhelming to have a box set without any special features whatsoever.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Nick on May 16, 2014, 04:25:03 PM
I know why they can't include WDaDU, but it's so incredibly annoying to see them pretend the album doesn't exist.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 16, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
How weird and ironic.  Who's going to buy this?  Long time fans like myself already have everything.  New fans aren't going to shell out that kind of money for 10 albums, most of which they probably haven't heard at all.  Hmmm....underwhelming to say the least.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: The Letter M on May 16, 2014, 04:44:58 PM
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"The Studio Albums 1992-2011" collects the first 10 studio albums from DREAM THEATER's groundbreaking two-decade-plus career, from 1992's RIAA (Recording Industry Association Of America) gold-certified classic "Images And Words" to 2011's Grammy Award-nominated milestone "A Dramatic Turn Of Events".
Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-unveils-career-spanning-box-set-the-studio-albums-1992-2011/#Y9VcDBIywqs8JEo7.99

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"The Studio Albums 1992-2011" collects the first 10 studio albums from DREAM THEATER's groundbreaking two-decade-plus career

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"The Studio Albums 1992-2011" collects the first 10 studio albums from DREAM THEATER

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the first 10 studio albums from DREAM THEATER

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the first 10 studio albums

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the first 10

I guess Dream Theater's anniversary really starts at 1992, now. Whatcha gotta say about THAT, Pirate Captain James LaBrie?!  :lol :lol :lol

Seriously though, this is a HUGE middle-finger to When Dream And Day Unite, Charlie Dominici, and in some ways, also to Mike, both of whom helped form the first album with the Johns and Kevin Moore. Why make that statement? Is it just *easier* to say "the first 10 studio albums" than say "their 2nd studio album up to their 11th"??

Or just clarify and say "the first 10 studio albums with James LaBrie". Poorly written article is poorly written. >.<

-Marc.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: son_ov_hades on May 16, 2014, 05:27:53 PM
I know why they can't include WDaDU, but it's so incredibly annoying to see them pretend the album doesn't exist.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 16, 2014, 05:55:21 PM
They acknowldge WDADU plenty when they play those songs live.  Remember, OAMOT alomst made it into this tour.  DT has not rights to that album, and their hands are tied in that regard.  What more could they do in this situation? Heck, they might not even be able to give RR permission to repress When Dream and Day REUNITE because of issues with MP/Ytse James.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: robwebster on May 16, 2014, 06:06:15 PM
Kind of weird to only include these 10. I can see why DT12 was left out, as most people who might be interested in the box probably already own it since it's DT's most recent album and came out not too long ago, so if someone got into the band through DT12, they wouldn't   want to"rebuy" it. But why leave out WDADU?

Because they don't have the rights to the album.

I could think of plenty of other reasons, but that's the first one, so I'll stop there. :lol

I strongly concur with your "other reasons." :lol

Speculation time - is DT making a statement about which of their albums count as "official"? I certainly hope so. Even not, I'll choose to see it that way anyway.  :angel:

I've seen this for sale in the HMV down the road from me: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Album-Series-Dream-Theater/dp/B005DEVGFG

Not only is this kind of thing not new, it's not even new for Dream Theater! Standard music business. Eleven discs is a robust package, but it's just a low cost, low risk shelf-filler - if it sells, neat, if not... who cares! As with the "Original Album Series," I don't know if DT would have even had to sign off on it. It doesn't look like a flagship release, nothing anyone would have taken their time to make special, like Greatest Hit - just another way for the record label to package the music they have rights for. Great if they get bites, fine if they don't.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2014, 06:47:25 PM
Saying they don't acknowledge WDADU is plain silly. They played two songs from that album in the last tour (Ytse Jam and A Fortune in Lies).
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Grizz on May 16, 2014, 07:19:10 PM
But honestly, what else is out there that hasn't been released in some form already?  Not much.  I mean, they could throw in a few live tracks that are not on official releases, but in terms of extra studio stuff, there really isn't much else out there.  They would have had to record something just for this release.
Cleaning Out the Closet, the ATCO demos, the Awake B-sides... I am aware that these are all releases but they're quite obscure.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: wasteland on May 16, 2014, 07:28:59 PM
As somebody said already, I would have gladly spend the money for the box had it included COTC. I can't say I am the majority in this, but I think that a percenage of fans wider than the hardcore group would have been lured by a "60 minutes worth of DT music that has never apperared on a Dream Theater album!".
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 16, 2014, 07:44:13 PM
But honestly, what else is out there that hasn't been released in some form already?  Not much.  I mean, they could throw in a few live tracks that are not on official releases, but in terms of extra studio stuff, there really isn't much else out there.  They would have had to record something just for this release.


You Not Me Radio Edit.    There I said it, and yes it does exist.  If I remember correctly it features a different guitar solo.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Sacul on May 16, 2014, 08:05:24 PM
They should include a disc with all the International Fans Club releases.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Grizz on May 16, 2014, 09:01:42 PM
But honestly, what else is out there that hasn't been released in some form already?  Not much.  I mean, they could throw in a few live tracks that are not on official releases, but in terms of extra studio stuff, there really isn't much else out there.  They would have had to record something just for this release.


You Not Me Radio Edit.    There I said it, and yes it does exist.  If I remember correctly it features a different guitar solo.
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Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Zook on May 16, 2014, 10:11:05 PM
Also, WDADU was released from the record label that Universal Music Group bought or something like that?  Is that why that album is not included?

As Blob mentioned above, it is owned by another label, and neither DT nor RR have the rights to it.

Don't rights usually expire at some point?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on May 16, 2014, 10:30:51 PM
This might be more relevant to DT's PR department than the actual sales they make of this. Almost no effort, but you're bringing the band into the news again.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 16, 2014, 10:34:53 PM
Plus, given that Roadrunner is notorious for compressing albums (notice DT's problem with that really took off once they signed with them), I wouldn't be surprised if they "remastered" the 90s albums to sound more modern, aka louder and not as good.

Given that it's a re-release of every single album in one box, I'd expect they've just dumped the existing masters on there. It doesn't appear to mention remastering, which they'd probably point out as a feature, as it would also let them double dip with long time fans who think they're getting a different/better version of the same albums.
I wouldn't mind having some of the albums remastered, just not in the way they would remaster them. :lol
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on May 16, 2014, 11:12:53 PM
They did remixes for the Best Of album, and that was already rather a mixed bag (especially the "resnaring" of the IAW tunes)
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 16, 2014, 11:21:56 PM
They definitely wouldn't go to the trouble of remixing. It would be a remastering at most. I wouldn't mind remasters if done properly, but in 2014, that's rare.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: ? on May 16, 2014, 11:26:43 PM
I know why they can't include WDaDU, but it's so incredibly annoying to see them pretend the album doesn't exist.
I believe the band has little to no involvement in this (there's still nothing on DT's official FB page) and the announcement was probably written by a clueless RR guy :P
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on May 16, 2014, 11:50:16 PM
Am I the only one getting a kind of retrospective vibe from these kinds of box sets? Like, I have the same kind of "era-spanning" box sets for Genesis and David Bowie, but the assumption is always that something has come to an end after that era to justify a release of a set.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: robwebster on May 17, 2014, 05:06:39 AM
Am I the only one getting a kind of retrospective vibe from these kinds of box sets? Like, I have the same kind of "era-spanning" box sets for Genesis and David Bowie, but the assumption is always that something has come to an end after that era to justify a release of a set.
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The assumption's ("always?") wrong - Train of Thought, for all its pros and cons, marked pretty much nothing at all!
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 17, 2014, 06:25:27 AM
This sounds like just a record company thing.  The band may have nothing to do with it.  They certainly haven't said anything about it beforehand.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: wasteland on May 17, 2014, 06:25:40 AM
I've always wondered why they left SDOIT out of that box ser.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 17, 2014, 06:34:05 AM
I've always wondered why they left SDOIT out of that box ser.

Being a double album would be my guess. It wouldn't be consistent with the other boxsets in that range. They might not be able to fit an extra disc into the standard box, so you'd end up with only 4 albums for the same price, so it wouldn't look like as good value despite the length of the discs. Any other solution would result in it costing more.
Those are great value boxsets for the price though, and they have them for a ton of different artists.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Tis BOOLsheet on May 17, 2014, 08:14:15 AM
Pointless for me since I already have all the albums.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 17, 2014, 08:22:25 AM
Pointless for me since I already have all the albums.

I assume most of us here have all of their albums, or at least the vast majority of the albums. I guess the target audience for this is new fans, although I don't know how many would get them in one go.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Nearmyth on May 17, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
Yeah I think the record company is just doing it because they can. It's kind of like "why" but also "why not?".

But yeah it would be a cool gift for someone getting into DT, or some fanatical DT collector. I feel like that's usually the point of stuff like this anyway :biggrin: I still think it's pretty cool.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Sacul on May 17, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)
Awake on 24 bits :hefdaddy
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: The Letter M on May 17, 2014, 02:24:35 PM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)
Awake on 24 bits :hefdaddy

I prefer Awake in 8-Bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qouw4i-u5AE

-Marc.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: GentlemanofDread on May 17, 2014, 02:30:32 PM
Now see if this box set was DT in 8-bit, I would throw all my money at it.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Grizz on May 17, 2014, 05:30:07 PM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)
Awake on 24 bits :hefdaddy
I don't think that the increased dynamic range of 24 bit is that helpful.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on May 17, 2014, 10:18:48 PM
If people really cared they would ask for the audio to be in floating point format, since that is quickly becoming the standard in audio processing these days.
Then again, many of those people who want 24 bit or 96kHz really have no idea what they're talking about and just know that higher is better.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Sacul on May 17, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
I can only hope this leads to more HDtracks releases :)
Awake on 24 bits :hefdaddy
I don't think that the increased dynamic range of 24 bit is that helpful.
I was saying that, as the album production is amazing, it would sound way better in high resolution files, with more details. It doesn't sound compressed to me so I don't care about it's dynamic range.

If people really cared they would ask for the audio to be in floating point format, since that is quickly becoming the standard in audio processing these days.
Then again, many of those people who want 24 bit or 96kHz really have no idea what they're talking about and just know that higher is better.
I don't know of any website that sells music in 32 bits.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on May 17, 2014, 10:46:25 PM
Awake in 24-bit would get you absolutely zilch. As this guy points out in this article:

https://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=78

analog equipment can capture an SNR range equivalent to 12 bits. Meaning, you already got 2^4=16 times the resolution you need with the regular 16-bit Awake CD.

EDIT: Regarding your reply, no online store sells floating-point audio because people can already be easily enough be scammed by selling them 96kHz files. (Which for the most part are just the 48kHz files run through an upsampler)
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 17, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
If people really cared they would ask for the audio to be in floating point format, since that is quickly becoming the standard in audio processing these days.
Then again, many of those people who want 24 bit or 96kHz really have no idea what they're talking about and just know that higher is better.

The reason the HDTracks versions have been better is 100% due to being a completely different master, so a lot of people probably mistakenly attribute that to "HD". I don't care how they pitch it, I'd just love to have all of their other albums without the dynamic range compression.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on May 17, 2014, 11:12:34 PM
Oh, same here. I wish one didn't have to wait for a few months and then have to dish out additional money for a version of the album that isn't brickwalled. This has nothing to do with bit rate or bit depth, and all to do with JP liking that one knob all the way up to 11.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Rodni Demental on May 18, 2014, 01:23:42 AM
I suppose it's good for new fans, but if I'm just getting into a band, and it's a band that's been around for over 20 years, I might feel a bit intimidated by the prospect of listening to 10 albums at once, I mean, it's kind of a lot to take in. Although, paradoxically recognising my own hypocrisy in that last statement, I would still complain about the lack of ACOS. I know it's an EP with mostly live stuff, but I would have thought that it is still quite a relevant album to include in a boxset like this. I also agree with everyone who thinks it needs some bonus content; even if it was just some artwork and little tidbits about some of the albums. But the fact is, there are some slightly rare DT studio/live songs that aren't as easily obtained physically. Come on Roadrunner dudes, your quick cash grab business plans are slacking, we would have thrown our money at you if we thought there was anything that resembled something new.  :lol
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Implode on May 18, 2014, 07:49:43 AM
If people really cared they would ask for the audio to be in floating point format, since that is quickly becoming the standard in audio processing these days.
Then again, many of those people who want 24 bit or 96kHz really have no idea what they're talking about and just know that higher is better.

The reason the HDTracks versions have been better is 100% due to being a completely different master, so a lot of people probably mistakenly attribute that to "HD". I don't care how they pitch it, I'd just love to have all of their other albums without the dynamic range compression.

Completely this. I would very much like the unmastered versions. From what I've heard, that's what they've been putting on HDTracks.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: adastra on May 19, 2014, 12:02:16 AM
I would buy this if there would be some B-sides and stuff like that.  Otherwise I think this is kinda pointless release.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Invisible on May 19, 2014, 12:58:13 AM
I only have I&W and Awake, since I only became sort of "hardcore" fan the last eight months or so, so if I have the chance maybe I'll grab it, if they send it down here anyway, that is. ::) Too bad they didn't release it earlier, it would've been a good gift to one of my friends who got me into them but doesn't have most of the albums either.

So no, I don't think it's a 100% pointless release, not all fans are longtime hardcore fans and sometimes it can be tricky to find all the albums(the stores I've checked only had a few of them). I do agree that it would've been miles better with Cleaning Out The Closet, one of my favorites and probably the one I listened to the most. :lol
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on May 19, 2014, 08:31:20 AM
While I understand why they couldn't put WDADU on it, I absolutely don't get why they would leave out ACOS. Just because it's an EP doesn't make it any less of a studio recording. I can see some RR intern not really caring and just leaving it off because it's an EP.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: The Dark Master on May 19, 2014, 03:52:40 PM
This should have had another disc with ACOS (just the song) and Cleaning Out The Closet.  If it had that, then it really would have been a definitive box set worth the release.  As is, it's just a "get all the albums at once" thing, which, while cool for people just getting into the band, doesn't really have anything to appeal to someone who has been a fan for years.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: mioist on May 21, 2014, 06:44:51 AM
Overall an essential set. I would buy it if the albums weren't presented in cheap cardboard sleeves with no booklets at all, which is exactly what the pictures of the set imply at this time. I have Images and Words, Octavarium, Black Clouds and Silver Linings (deluxe 3cd edition) and Dream Theater 2013 (deluxe 2cd edition). Getting the rest in one go would have been nice but I want jewel cases with proper booklets at least.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Rodni Demental on May 21, 2014, 07:18:44 PM
Wait no booklets? How are we supposed to understand certain parts of Awake?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: billybobjoe1881 on May 21, 2014, 08:13:27 PM
Wait no booklets? How are we supposed to understand certain parts of Awake?
Were we ever supposed to understand Awake?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Invisible on May 22, 2014, 03:42:29 AM
Wait no booklets? How are we supposed to understand certain parts of Awake?
Just search What DId James say on Youtube. :biggrin:
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: TheGreatPretender on May 22, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
I can confirm there are no bonus features of any kind.

I don't suppose you can confirm that some of the albums have been remixed and remastered...


Honestly though, I already have all the albums in question... Buuut, I might buy this, just for collection's sake. Then I won't have to worry about wearing down my CDs or anything.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Big Hath on May 22, 2014, 10:02:45 PM
Wait no booklets? How are we supposed to understand certain parts of Awake?

Spiderman has like a million comics.  Just pick one up.  It's all there.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2014, 06:14:34 AM
Wait no booklets? How are we supposed to understand certain parts of Awake?

Spiderman has like a million comics.  Just pick one up.  It's all there.
This.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 23, 2014, 08:51:34 AM
Depending on the cost I may pick it up despite already having all of these. Because, I'd like to have some 'prestine' copies....mine are used and abused.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Zook on May 23, 2014, 09:56:01 AM
Wait no booklets? How are we supposed to understand certain parts of Awake?

Spiderman has like a million comics.  Just pick one up.  It's all there.
This.

Quote fail.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
Not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 23, 2014, 10:19:12 AM
:lol It's good to be king.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Zook on May 23, 2014, 10:34:50 AM
I feel violated.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2014, 05:11:21 AM
:lol It's good to be king.
:biggrin:

I feel violated.
Don't worry, I used protection.

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/suddenlyjames_zps512a0c49.gif)
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: ytserush on May 24, 2014, 11:23:35 AM
This sounds like just a record company thing.  The band may have nothing to do with it.  They certainly haven't said anything about it beforehand.

Bingo.

I don't think the band had any say in this at all.

Also wouldn't surprise me that there are no lyrics to be found.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Nel on May 27, 2014, 04:34:27 PM
Just now hearing of this. Out of this style of box sets, I own Green Day's and Deep Purple's, so it's cool to see DT getting one. These aren't the "all-out" box sets with bonus tracks like, say, Satriani's or BOC or that, they're just very basic. It's really only good for getting studio albums really quick. No lyric booklets or anything, just slipcase covers of each album with the disc inside. Lots of bands get these.

(https://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww234/NelStoneXI/ALBUMS_zpscc9763cf.png)
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Zook on May 27, 2014, 06:31:51 PM
Well, they posted it on their facebook, so I guess it's officially official.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Kotowboy on May 27, 2014, 06:48:43 PM
I almost bought the Green Day one when it was first issued as it was going for £12 !!!

Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Grizz on May 27, 2014, 06:57:31 PM
Well, they posted it on their facebook, so I guess it's officially official.
And they, once again, said that these are the first ten albums.
Where's that damn RRPR guy?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on May 27, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
Kinda weird to see the PR machinery being so removed from the actual band.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Nel on May 28, 2014, 07:21:09 AM
I almost bought the Green Day one when it was first issued as it was going for £12 !!!

It was actually a Best Buy exclusive over here, and came out in celebration of the trilogy. I think it actually came out the same day as Dos! too. I bought it, Uno!, and Dos! that day, so I pretty much got GD's complete discography that day. Tre! was the following month.

And that's my off-topic post. >_>
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: GasparXR on May 28, 2014, 08:24:57 PM
In response to the thread title, so THIS is what was behind the veil. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Virtualman64 on May 29, 2014, 11:03:24 AM
Wouldn't buy it unless there were extras like all the lyrics,or a booklet.I guess that would be to much to ask.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: goo-goo on May 30, 2014, 10:43:12 AM
Since apparently As I Am was remastered on the Greatest Hit(s) album, does it sound better? Haven't heard it myself.

Would ToT need a remaster?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2014, 10:58:15 AM
Since apparently As I Am was remastered on the Greatest Hit(s) album, does it sound better? Haven't heard it myself.

Would ToT need a remaster?

The difference is pretty minor, maybe just a shade more dynamic. The main point of remastering a compilation is so the volume of the songs is consistent across the board, since older albums usually sound softer than more recent ones.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Rodni Demental on May 30, 2014, 06:31:27 PM
I'm fairly sure the only difference is the censored swears, and the lack of string fade in after the string fade out from SDOIT. It just starts with the Bass guitar riff. Much like how the Octavarium tracks don't have the overtone transitions at the beginning or end because they're not transitioning to another song up the octave. Can't say I've compared the As I Am waveforms though, maybe it is a bit different to the Train of Thought version. But not noticeable enough to consider remastering old albums in a similar style. Apart from perhaps the I&W tracks, but I didn't see any demand for people to remix I&W after Greatest Hit came out either.  :lol
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 31, 2014, 01:59:58 PM
it's a dB or two less loud, but just as compressed. the only other unmentioned difference is that the ending fades out instead of feeding back and stopping with the cymbal rush.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Skeever on June 08, 2014, 09:25:09 AM
Hmm....

I guess as someone who already has all there albums, is there any reason to buy this....?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 08, 2014, 09:31:23 AM
Hmm....

I guess as someone who already has all there albums, is there any reason to buy this....?

As far as we know, no. Unless there's something they haven't announced, it just seems to be the regular albums in a new package.

Love the avatar. :tup
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: kanutaros on July 23, 2014, 06:26:14 PM
I hate to bump an old thread, but personally I'm kinda really interested in getting this, especially since my paycheck is coming through soon and I'd like some DT decoration for my room that I had just moved into.

Does anyone own this box set? I'm curious as to whether the CDs themselves have labels on them worth showing off, if not I'll find some way of hanging the sleeves.

Aside from the decorative value, I only own SDOIT, WDADU, DT, BCSL, ACOS and SFAM so there's more new material for me to listen to, and I've heard and liked various songs from these unlistened albums (Just heard I&W properly for the first time and I love Another Day) so I think for the price it's pretty appealing to someone like me.

I just wish there was more unreleased/demo content much like Megadeth's Warchest set (absolutely baller release) but I'm still down for this.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: rumborak on July 23, 2014, 09:18:48 PM
You already own 6 out of the 10 albums in question, and thus find paying $65 for 4 new albums without any artwork a good deal?
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Scorpion on July 23, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
It's 6 new albums. Neither WDADU nor ACOS are included in the boxset, and 65$ for 6 albums... well, I'm not sure on album prices in the States, but that does sound at least closer to reasonable.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on July 23, 2014, 10:46:41 PM
That's definitely reasonable from what I've seen, plus you still have other albums that you can loan or sell or keep for the hell of it. Sounds like a pretty good deal.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: goo-goo on July 24, 2014, 07:56:04 AM
You already own 6 out of the 10 albums in question, and thus find paying $65 for 4 new albums without any artwork a good deal?

I wouldn't buy them either. Cheaper to get them individually through the Amazon marketplace or Ebay and you'll get the full artwork and booklet. Even buying them in Amazon directly will probably be cheaper with free shipping.
Title: Re: DREAM THEATER Unveils Career-Spanning Box Set: 'The Studio Albums 1992-2011'
Post by: Virtualman64 on July 30, 2014, 06:03:53 AM
Roadrunner is giving a set away on Facebook.All you have to do to enter is leave a  comment as to which album is your favorite.