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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2014, 09:48:34 PM
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Been getting into this band over the past couple of days and I noticed that there doesn't seem to be a thread for them here yet, though they have been mentioned in various other threads. So... Conception! :metal :hefdaddy
I have to say that my personal favorite albums by them are In Your Magnitude and Flow. Two very different but equally awesome albums. Dare I say that many of Roy Khan's best performances were on these albums? :tup
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Can't argue with much of that - I would rank In Your Multitude ;) higher than Flow though ........a more consistent album IMHO. Flow is a bit weird in that most of my favourite tracks are the last few on the album.
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The Last Sunset and Parallel Minds are the best, but Flow has a few good songs. In Your Multitude has Under A Mourning Star... I should give it another listen though. I could never get into it though.
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Can't argue with much of that - I would rank In Your Multitude ;) higher than Flow though ........a more consistent album IMHO. Flow is a bit weird in that most of my favourite tracks are the last few on the album.
:lol My bad! I do think that IYM has more consistently high points on it than Flow does, but the latter just well, flows so nicely and has a really cohesive atmosphere and vibe about it.
The Last Sunset and Parallel Minds are the best, but Flow has a few good songs. In Your Multitude has Under A Mourning Star... I should give it another listen though. I could never get into it though.
I'd have to disagree there. TLS was a chore for me to listen to for the most part and while PM has some great songs on it, I don't think it's as consistent as IYM or Flow.
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The Last Sunset and Parallel Minds are the best, but Flow has a few good songs. In Your Multitude has Under A Mourning Star... I should give it another listen though. I could never get into it though.
I gave up on IYM about 7 years ago. So much so that I sold it, an ignominy that I have only bestowed upon two other prog albums, and those were both "best of" albums that I no longer needed. However, I think I still have a copy on my old hard drive from that time. Maybe I'll see if time has changed my mind. So Zook, you aren't the only person who was thoroughly underwhelmed by them.
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TLS is kinda cheesy, but I like the Spanish vibe it has for some reason. Also, the title track is amazing. PM just rocks, and Khan hits some ridiculous high notes. Gonna listen to IYM tonight, but Flow isn't consistent at all. 5 good songs, whole lotta filler. What the hell, I'll listen to that one too.
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TLS is kinda cheesy, but I like the Spanish vibe it has for some reason. Also, the title track is amazing. PM just rocks, and Khan hits some ridiculous high notes. Gonna listen to IYM tonight, but Flow isn't consistent at all. 5 good songs, whole lotta filler. What the hell, I'll listen to that one too.
My biggest issue with TLS is how flimsy Khan sounded on the album. He improved dramatically by the time PM came around, if you ask me. But even then, I just wasn't as interested in most of the songs off of TLS as I was the other Conception albums.
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I never bothered with The Last Sunset - big fan of the band though.............presumably I got the tip not to bother and didn't. I'd rate them IYM > PM > Flow with only marginal difference between the top two. Like Zook said I reckon Flow is half killer and half crap , with the last two songs my faves if memory serves correct. Lucky I persisted.
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Wow what a coincidence, I was listening to Flow on the way home from work today.
Easily my fave Conception, is sits somewhere in my top 50 of all time.
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Considering the lineup, this is a band I should know well. It's one I never get around to checking out, but I know I should.
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Considering the lineup, this is a band I should know well. It's one I never get around to checking out, but I know I should.
Check out these songs for starters! :tup :metal
Under A Mourning Star: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHs7XbgZCak
A Million Gods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ6JR4LSWk8
Solar Serpent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLiA7jM9PWo
Water Confines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG7jTkLoKV4
Roll the Fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri52J9JEi7M
Silent Crying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53HGdICWAbg
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I didn't get a chance to listen to a full album last night as I went home early to hang my head in a toilet all night, but before going to sleep, I listened to a couple tracks from Flow and one from IYM, and they actually weren't that bad. Angel was kinda weird, but I think I can get used to it. I've had these CDs since 2006. Quite a long time to get into them :lol
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I didn't get a chance to listen to a full album last night as I went home early to hang my head in a toilet all night, but before going to sleep, I listened to a couple tracks from Flow and one from IYM, and they actually weren't that bad. Angel was kinda weird, but I think I can get used to it. I've had these CDs since 2006. Quite a long time to get into them :lol
Yeah, that's kinda what happened with me for the band; back when I got into Kamelot and Seventh Wonder, I heard that Khan used to be in a prog metal band too and I was left rather cold on what I'd heard back then. Tried it out again this week and it started to click pretty quickly for me. :tup
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I'm the opposite - was into Conception from release of Parallel Minds , followed Khan across to Kamelot and thought Siege Perilous was bloody awful and decided that was that......I'll stick to my Conception. I didn't twig until many,many years later that SP wasn't a great yardstick for the quality of Kamelot and was pleased to find that they were putting out some great stuff with Khan.
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I'm the opposite - was into Conception from release of Parallel Minds , followed Khan across to Kamelot and thought Siege Perilous was bloody awful and decided that was that......I'll stick to my Conception. I didn't twig until many,many years later that SP wasn't a great yardstick for the quality of Kamelot and was pleased to find that they were putting out some great stuff with Khan.
Yeah, now that the band has clicked with me, I'm pretty sure I prefer Conception as well. I like Kamelot quite fine, but stuff like Conception is just more up my alley. :hefdaddy
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Conception is a band, given who was in it, that I should love to pieces, but I just plain never got them, no matter how hard I tried. Gave those linked songs a try and, nope, still won't work for me. How weird. :o
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So I listened to both In Your Multitude and Flow. Although having some pretty cool tunes, IYM was overall kinda boring. Flow was a much better listen and tracks stood out to me more than they ever had before. The best of the bunch is still Parallel Minds though.
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So I listened to both In Your Multitude and Flow. Although having some pretty cool tunes, IYM was overall kinda boring. Flow was a much better listen and tracks stood out to me more than they ever had before. The best of the bunch is still Parallel Minds though.
Glad to hear that Flow clicked with you this time around! Maybe IYM will do the same for you too down the road? :) It's definitely my favorite album of theirs. A prog metal masterpiece, imo. :hefdaddy
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I´m listening to Flow right now, and i absolutely love this album. This band was incredible.
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I´m listening to Flow right now, and i absolutely love this album. This band was incredible.
Listening on youtube. Very nice. Too bad the albums seem out of print.
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I´m listening to Flow right now, and i absolutely love this album. This band was incredible.
:tup
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I tell ya what - you guys into Conception and/or missing Khan need to get your hands on a recent release by a band called Black Fate (Between Visions and Lies). Immense stuff with a Khan soundalike and wouldn't be far from my album of the year. :metal
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I tell ya what - you guys into Conception and/or missing Khan need to get your hands on a recent release by a band called Black Fate (Between Visions and Lies). Immense stuff with a Khan soundalike and wouldn't be far from my album of the year. :metal
thanks, i´m gonna check it out!
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Holy Khan, Batman. Is he singing on the album, and they're just using a stand in? lol
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massive bump....
Conception is back together!
https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/conception-ep?referrer=site_search
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First a solo piece from him, and now this. Khan can't stay away too long from music! :metal
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:metal :metal :metal
Tore and Khan especially have been missed. In Your Multitude made my DTF Top 50 and I'm very keen to hear what they come up with.
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Pre-ordered the signed EP. :metal
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I am shocked he is coming back. I'm interested.
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massive bump....
Conception is back together!
https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/conception-ep?referrer=site_search
This is such an awesome surprise! I'm glad to hear Roy's coming out of retirement! :metal
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Wow!
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I've been listening to In Your Multitude, Parallel Minds and Flow non-stop since reading the news yesterday. :metal
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I am shocked he is coming back. I'm interested.
Awesome!
I've been listening to In Your Multitude, Parallel Minds and Flow non-stop since reading the news yesterday. :metal
I think I know what's going on to my playlist for today!
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Not being a fan of Kamelot, I wasn't really interested in what Roy Khan did previously. But I checked out a bit of Flow yesterday after hearing the news. I dig it. Went to go buy the Conception catalog on CD...uh...good lord out of print CDs go for way too much money. :lol
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Not being a fan of Kamelot, I wasn't really interested in what Roy Khan did previously. But I checked out a bit of Flow yesterday after hearing the news. I dig it. Went to go buy the Conception catalog on CD...uh...good lord out of print CDs go for way too much money. :lol
I paid $25 for Flow and $23 for Parallel Minds (both are worth that price to me). The other two I got for $10 each when Laser's Edge unearthed a crate of them from somewhere.
Flow is a lot groovier than the others. Parallel Minds is typical melodic/progressive metal. Bug me if you want copies, though I'll have to figure out how to get them to you.
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Not being a fan of Kamelot, I wasn't really interested in what Roy Khan did previously. But I checked out a bit of Flow yesterday after hearing the news. I dig it. Went to go buy the Conception catalog on CD...uh...good lord out of print CDs go for way too much money. :lol
I paid $25 for Flow and $23 for Parallel Minds (both are worth that price to me). The other two I got for $10 each when Laser's Edge unearthed a crate of them from somewhere.
Flow is a lot groovier than the others. Parallel Minds is typical melodic/progressive metal. Bug me if you want copies, though I'll have to figure out how to get them to you.
Thanks man. No worries. If I want to get into them more, I'll just buy it digitally (I think the albums are available to buy on Amazon as downloads). Appreciate the offer though.
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massive bump....
Conception is back together!
https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/conception-ep?referrer=site_search
I would have preferred Ark to come back than Conception, but hey...
B.Lee
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I'm trying to not get too excited by these news, but this is difficult. Holy shit I'm down with whatever they're releasing. :metal
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Not being a fan of Kamelot, I wasn't really interested in what Roy Khan did previously. But I checked out a bit of Flow yesterday after hearing the news. I dig it. Went to go buy the Conception catalog on CD...uh...good lord out of print CDs go for way too much money. :lol
I paid $25 for Flow and $23 for Parallel Minds (both are worth that price to me). The other two I got for $10 each when Laser's Edge unearthed a crate of them from somewhere.
Flow is a lot groovier than the others. Parallel Minds is typical melodic/progressive metal. Bug me if you want copies, though I'll have to figure out how to get them to you.
Thanks man. No worries. If I want to get into them more, I'll just buy it digitally (I think the albums are available to buy on Amazon as downloads). Appreciate the offer though.
Grappler
Can I take your offer on the CDs? Where are you located?
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Grappler
Can I take your offer on the CDs? Where are you located?
Oh, I'm not parting with them. It took me a very long time to track them down. Samsara's a friend and I could have provided copies for him, that's all. Should have made the offer privately.
PS: Samsara, do yourself a favor and watch the video for Roll The Fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO1Cg42PKhQ
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This is something I never imagined would happen, but man am I glad that it is. I'd have sooner put my money down on an Ark reunion happening, but I personally prefer Conception myself. :metal
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I’ll be the first to ask the question: would you guys like to see Khan back in Kamelot?
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Grappler
Can I take your offer on the CDs? Where are you located?
Oh, I'm not parting with them. It took me a very long time to track them down. Samsara's a friend and I could have provided copies for him, that's all. Should have made the offer privately.
PS: Samsara, do yourself a favor and watch the video for Roll The Fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO1Cg42PKhQ
No biggie. Thought you had extra copies. Time to track them down. I believe I have Flow but wasn’t impressed by it. I did stream the earlier stuff and that seemed to be better.
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I'd love to get a copy of Flow if anyone has a legit copy available.
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I’ll be the first to ask the question: would you guys like to see Khan back in Kamelot?
Nah, not really. It's clear that Khan had burned himself out in Kamelot by the time of his departure, so it's probably healthier for him to be in a smaller band like Conception. Besides, Tommy is doing great work in Kamelot already.
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I’ll be the first to ask the question: would you guys like to see Khan back in Kamelot?
Nah, not really. It's clear that Khan had burned himself out in Kamelot by the time of his departure, so it's probably healthier for him to be in a smaller band like Conception. Besides, Tommy is doing great work in Kamelot already.
What he said.
Also, as I stated in the Kamelot thread, his voice was starting to show difficulties and growing older and older and touring and touring wouldn't help that. I was devasted by Khan's leaving like anyone else but really, being a bit cynical, when it comes to the live shows tenure and the longevity of the band, his departure was actually a blessing in disguise.
Then if he would show up somewhere for an encore or something, I'd be totally down for it.
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I'll wait to see what this Conception album brings, but I don't really think Khan can save Kamelot. They are great vocally with Tommy, but it's the samey song writing that has hurt them IMO. If Khan is making interesting music in Conception, then that's where he should be.
Now I'd certainly love to see a Khan reunion show with Kamelot since I never got to see them with him before.
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I'm just glad Tore Ostby is still making music. The man's an amazing guitarist.
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I'll wait to see what this Conception album brings, but I don't really think Khan can save Kamelot. They are great vocally with Tommy, but it's the samey song writing that has hurt them IMO. If Khan is making interesting music in Conception, then that's where he should be.
Now I'd certainly love to see a Khan reunion show with Kamelot since I never got to see them with him before.
Yep, exactly. It's just down to the songwriting going on over at Kamelot these days. Tommy's clearly still going strong with his other band, Seventh Wonder, judging by the first single they released for their next album Tiara.
If Khan is able to put out killer music with Conception, that's probably the place he should be. Like I mentioned before, Kamelot clearly wore him out at the end and I doubt Conception will ever reach the same commercial success that Kamelot has, so teaming up with Tore again is probably the best option all around for him. Not too taxing on the rest of his life, but still a great venue for Khan to express himself musically.
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Interview with Khan, the very first one after the Kamelot split!!!
https://www.spaziorock.it/intervista.php?&id=conception-roy-khan-kamelot-2018
Italian site but they kept the original english interview, which I assume happened through mail, so you can read it as well.
Very condensed version: he's happy to be back working with the Conception guys, he's really behind this, he has no intention or plans on touring, he heard the latest Kamelot stuff and likes some of it and thinks Tommy is great, and the details surrounding the Kamelot split are too weird and messy to discuss.
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Interview with Khan, the very first one after the Kamelot split!!!
https://www.spaziorock.it/intervista.php?&id=conception-roy-khan-kamelot-2018
Italian site but they kept the original english interview, which I assume happened through mail, so you can read it as well.
Very condensed version: he's happy to be back working with the Conception guys, he's really behind this, he has no intention or plans on touring, he heard the latest Kamelot stuff and likes some of it and thinks Tommy is great, and the details surrounding the Kamelot split are too weird and messy to discuss.
It's great to have Roy back in the music scene. :metal
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Awesome news! Tore and Roy :metal :heart
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Awesome news! Tore and Roy :metal :heart
Yup! It's great to have either one of them back on the music scene, considering how long it's been since either of them have put out any new material. :metal
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Another italian AND english interview with Roy Khan:
https://loudandproud.it/roy-khan-risveglio-della-forza/
He goes more into the details of the Kamelot split than last time... condensed version, he was starting to feel the pressure and the burning out from doing gig after gig with countless fans waiting for him for autographs and pictures, and he was overwhelmed at the idea of performing in Wacken for so many people while other personal things were going on with him. So in the end the burnout reason was essentially true, he had to get away from it knowing in its heart that it was over already then, and getting confirmations whenever mentions of Kamelot would make him anxious again (in the times before the split was announced to the public). He add that he always got along with Youngblood but he had to cut ties with him as well because he was reminding him too much of Kamelot.
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I believe it. If you've ever talked to a big Kamelot fan, they treat Khan like he's literally a god or otherworldly. It's kind of ridiculous. I'd pull a full-on Neil Peart and avoid all fans.
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I believe it. If you've ever talked to a big Kamelot fan, they treat Khan like he's literally a god or otherworldly.
Wait, he isn't?
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I believe it. If you've ever talked to a big Kamelot fan, they treat Khan like he's literally a god or otherworldly.
Wait, he isn't?
No no no. You're thinking of Fabio Lione. :biggrin:
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its happening.....
https://www.facebook.com/conceptionmusi2/photos/a.1673204536089616/1904377802972287/?type=3&theater
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:metal
Cool art too.
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Yeah nice cover.
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https://conception.lnk.to/ReConceptionFA
Really good to hear them again and it sounds like Conception and no one else...
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Feather Moves is absolutely beautiful. Welcome back Conception!
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It makes me so happy to hear Roy Khan sing again. :metal
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So for some reason I've just never clicked with Conception before, it's not bad whatsoever but it never resonated with me. But Grand Again is freaking good. These guys must've been practicing their asses off over the years because imo this is an amazing song. The songwriting as it is is very good but Roy takes it to another level. He sounds fan-fucking-tastic. :2metal:
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Both song are really, really good! I'll admit that I'm actually a bit surprised by Roy's perfomance. I guess his break did his voice some good :)
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Saw this on another forum. Possible back catalog reissues could be coming:
a) I asked them on FB yesterday. The band are actively working on catalogue reissues
b) they were on Noise Records, which is currently controlled by BMG / Universal music group. Noise have been reissuing their previously out of print releases through Crowdfunding site PledgeMusic. Stay tuned.
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Saw this on another forum. Possible back catalog reissues could be coming:
a) I asked them on FB yesterday. The band are actively working on catalogue reissues
b) they were on Noise Records, which is currently controlled by BMG / Universal music group. Noise have been reissuing their previously out of print releases through Crowdfunding site PledgeMusic. Stay tuned.
I desperately need this to happen. I've been wanting to get In Your Multitude on iTunes for ages now.
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Listening to the new record (or EP?) for the first time. I like it, the production is great, Roy sounds great as always. It reminded me of Flow.
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I got my signed EP yesterday, but haven't had time to listen to the whole thing yet. Excited to have Khan's signature though, considering I'll never have another opportunity.
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Went to see Conception live in their hometown Gjøvik this weekend. They played two nights in a small venue, and I attended the second night on Saturday. Since the band haven't played live since a few gigs in 2005 , it was with great anticipation I traveled to see the gig. I attended one gig in Oslo in 2005, and while a fun night, I remember thinking the band sounded a little bit underrehearsed then. Not so this time. The band was tight , and delivered a great setlist of new songs mixed with the expected old favorites. While we missed some very good songs played on the first night (In Your Multitude, And I Close My Eyes, Into The Wild, Cardinal Sin), we got some changes that were still very welcome (Flow, Under A Mourning Star, The Moment). The small but energized crowd gave the band a great response , and the band seemed very touched to find people coming from far and near to experience their comeback on stage. Very cool to have the band back, and I am looking forward to hopefully more shows and new material.
The Saturday setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/conception/2019/friscena-black-box-gjovik-norway-3934543.html
The Friday setlist : https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/conception/2019/friscena-black-box-gjovik-norway-6b9352ea.html
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New single
https://youtu.be/7H0c4bZexMQ
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I have a positive bias towards anything they do , but hmm...........not the most cohesive song to these ears. It may well be a grower though. Awesome to hear that lead tone of Tore back in action ,but just waiting for one of those big choruses from the Parallel Minds , In Your Multitude, Flow era.
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but just waiting for one of those big choruses from the Parallel Minds , In Your Multitude, Flow era.
I'm feeling like that too. I'm so happy that the band is back together and we get to hear Roy singing again, but I want some giant, catchy choruses.
I'm getting some big Kamelot vibes from this song though, which is fun - it brings me back to those years where Kamelot was just nailing it out of the park every time they put out an album.
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I like. A lot.
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It's fine. Can't wait for the album and to see them live again though. Last time was phenomenal. Roy waved back at my sister and winked at us and we just about died :lol have loved him for so long, and Conception live is just a firecracker of a band.
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Seems like the rest of my opinion of Conception... not bad, but really just fails to grasp me.
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I thought that was quite unique and interesting. Agree with Brent, it's great hearing Tore play again.
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Wow, that kind of blew. The only reason I hung in there was because you guys were pimpimg the guitarist, and frankly, that solo did nothing for me either. Shut it off right after the solo.
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Wow, that kind of blew. The only reason I hung in there was because you guys were pimpimg the guitarist, and frankly, that solo did nothing for me either. Shut it off right after the solo.
It's not much I agree, but his tones, styles and phrashing has always bern very unique and enjoyable. Love his playing on Burn the Sun too.
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Wow, that kind of blew. The only reason I hung in there was because you guys were pimpimg the guitarist, and frankly, that solo did nothing for me either. Shut it off right after the solo.
It's not much I agree, but his tones, styles and phrashing has always bern very unique and enjoyable.
That's cool. I'm not familiar with him, so I don't have an ear for the personality of his playing.
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=644728759403718
Full sampler and gotta say I am not feeling it. I love Conception - IYM made my DTF All Time Top 50 - but I can't see myself rating this album highly if those samples are anything to go by. A song called She Dragon at around 3.35 in the sampler sounds pretty classic but I am not encouraged by the rest. Most fans seem to be loving it so perhaps it's just me. I am rapt to see them back in action regardless and will get the album for sure.
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Wow, that kind of blew. The only reason I hung in there was because you guys were pimpimg the guitarist, and frankly, that solo did nothing for me either. Shut it off right after the solo.
It's not much I agree, but his tones, styles and phrashing has always bern very unique and enjoyable. Love his playing on Burn the Sun too.
I agree with you. Tore is one of the more recognizable players in the prog scene for me, and someone should have really taken the prog + hard rock + flamenco music of Ark further, and yet no one did.
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Wow, that kind of blew. The only reason I hung in there was because you guys were pimpimg the guitarist, and frankly, that solo did nothing for me either. Shut it off right after the solo.
It's not much I agree, but his tones, styles and phrashing has always bern very unique and enjoyable. Love his playing on Burn the Sun too.
I agree with you. Tore is one of the more recognizable players in the prog scene for me, and someone should have really taken the prog + hard rock + flamenco music of Ark further, and yet no one did.
It's such a brilliant album that made my top 50.
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That song was pretty boring...
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My fave Conception album is Flow, love it from start to finish and also the debut Ark album, both are in my top 50, which will resume shortly.
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My fave Conception album is Flow, love it from start to finish and also the debut Ark album, both are in my top 50, which will resume shortly.
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New song! https://youtu.be/QYetdiEa8zg
I like this one a lot.
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The album is out today, as I pre-ordered the CD and record from the band I was left at the mercy of Spotify.
To my surprise I got an unexpected email with a link the album is lossless because the vinyl is delayed.
Thoughts after a couple of listens on the weekend.
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Don't kill me but... I can definitely hear Lana Del Rey do a cover of this song, especially during the verses :lol
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State Of Deception - crowdfunding deluxe box set, prices start at 200UKP!
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Big Conception fan here. Always thought they had a little something that set them apart from the bulk of the power-prog scene of the early-to-mid 90s. Nothing too crazy unique (the influences were definitely there), but they had their sound. I think Roy Khan's singing helped, but I wouldn't underestimate Tore Otsby' guitar work - always tasteful, both in riffs and solos. His contribution to Ark is amazing too.
My faves are probably Parallel Minds and Flow. Also very much enjoyed their comeback - both the EP in 2018 and the album last year (almost feel they could have combined them - although this worked too). Hope they keep going!
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They re-recorded “Roll the Fire”….
https://youtu.be/vBsw_0152Zk
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I love that new version of Roll the Fire - it has some added "chunk" to it and it sounds so much heavier. Khan sounds killer on it as well!
I guess it's going to be in a special edition of the last record, which has a few new versions of older songs.
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That's a pretty nice version of the song. Its interesting how changing just a few things in the arrangment can change the whole vibe. I did miss a little bit the couple of high notes Khan sang in the original, but I get why he wouldn't attempt those and after a few listens i got used to it.
Also I really hope they manage to rereleased their old albums eventually. I've always somewhat enjoyed their music since I discovered them a few years, but I've been listening to those albums on youtube lately and I think they rose up to one of my favorite band status at this point.
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I had to pay high prices for two of those CD's. Parallel Minds and Flow each cost me $25 about 10 to 15 years ago. I managed to snag copies of The Last Sunset and In Your Multitude for $10 each once, when The Lasers Edge found some copies in a warehouse somewhere.
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The first four Conception albums are being re-issued on remastered CD and coloured vinyl in September with bonus tracks.
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For anyone looking for Conception CD's....they're coming!
We’re excited to announce that we’re reissuing our Noise Records albums for the first time on coloured vinyl, with remastered audio and new unreleased tracks on September 9th! Watch the new HD video for Roll The Fire and pre-order your copy here: https://conceptionband.lnk.to/ReissuesFA
They’ll also be available on CD and digital platforms!
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Has anyone got the remasters?
I'm over in the UK on holiday and have Flow and PM coming on Tuesday from amazon and a hire car with a CD player ;D