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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: erwinrafael on April 14, 2014, 07:23:47 PM
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OK, I will start this thread. :lol I will qualify that I do not HATE these songs, but the gap between the love showered on these songs by a huge portion of the fanbase and my own feelings for the songs are quite huge. I have a lot more DT songs that rank lower, but this thread is about songs that seem to be generally loved.
So I have three:
1. The Glass Prison - when I first listened to the song, I was almost blown away. What a rocking song.
Then I heard THE scratch. And all I can picture is DT in hiphop outfits.
And then the Cookie Monster comes in. That's when I went "what the hell?" Can't we just stick with how they did a similar thing in The Mirror?
2. The Great Debate - this is the reason why the SDOIT album, despite having three tracks in my Top 20, did not become my number one album. It was an interesting experiment but it just did not work for me.
And I think my most controversial pick:
3. Learning To Live - I like this song, actually. But I sort of see it as a prototype. Whenever I see posts that proclaim LTL as the greatest DT song ever, I think "what a sad experience for this fan" because it comes across as if everything DT has done in the next two decades since is just downhill from whatever pedestal LTL has been on. For me, LTL is a step in the right musical direction for DT, but it is not the pinnacle that many fans seem to make it out to be. The dated guitar and keyboard sounds and some of the musical arrangement decisions like the fade ending (which is very typical of songs at the time) and the bass guitar lines (which were good but brings to mind people wearing black leather pants and excessive metal accessories) did not age well for me. For me, the significance of the song is not being the greatest DT song ever, but its being a song that DT built on to make greater songs.
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This one is easy:
The Root of All Evil
Every time I see a fan say, "This is one of their best," I think, "Wait, seriously?" It's not a bad song by any means, but it is definitely in their bottom 20%, and seeing it on the Luna Park Blu-ray make it that much more obvious, as the songwriting quality noticeably drops off during that song, especially when compared to most of the other songs in that set list.
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This one is very easy, although I fully expect to take the usual amount of hate for it :)
1. Fatal Tragedy- Love the first 40 seconds of this song, and then it gets bad, and then bad goes to worse, and then I usually turn it off before it ends.
2. SDOIT - easily my least favorite song on the album. I don't think even a single section of it would make my top 50 (maybe Solitary Shell). I don't have any great reasons for disliking it, it just isn't my cup of tea.
3. Metropolis- Great beginning and great ending. Can't stand the instrumental section, which is probably the only time I'll ever say that about an early era DT song. My least favorite song on I&W
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Definitely LTL and ACOS. I don't dislike either song, and I could listen to either one if I was going through the entire discography, but there is a great divide between how much I like them, and how much DTF generally loves them. Both songs would probably just miss out on my top 50, or just edge in.
Both songs just have clear weaknesses in their songwriting that drag them down for me, although overall both songs are enjoyable enough I suppose.
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Honestly not too sure if there's any DT song widely loved that I don't like a lot as well. Oh unintentional conformity and I. :hat
I would say maybe LSOAD. I don't hate it at all, I still like it, but I don't really put it on this pedestal that many fans seem to do.
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#1 that comes to mind is definitely The Great Debate. I will never understand why people love it so much. It's definitely a bottom 5 DT song for me. And while there isn't a single DT song that I outright dislike, I still feel like all the negative aspects of this song make it so not worth sitting through the whole thing, just to hear the few good moments that it does have. There's nothing wrong with liking this song, but considering how much people worship it, it just boggles my mind.
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I guess for me it would have to be The Spirit Carries On. I don't think it's a bad song by any means, but I've always thought it was a bit cheesy and it's never done a whole lot for me.
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I guess for me it would have to be The Spirit Carries On. I don't think it's a bad song by any means, but I've always thought it was a bit cheesy and it's never done a whole lot for me.
:iagree:
For some reason ACOS and TCOT are the only "big" epics I've been able to get into for real. I find the rest - especially Octavarium - pretty overrated.
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Scarred's the ultimate. I find the praise mystifying - I just don't get it. There's some nice ideas in there, but they're adrift in a sea of them. It's a song I've never been able to map, I know the intro's quite nice, but beyond that it's all sort of a blur.
Metropolis I "get," I just think it's a little low on substance. The instrumental's good, and there's stuff to recommend the verses, but it's like JLB opens his mouth and the band go into a holding pattern. Nothing that's particularly instrumentally interesting happens while James LaBrie's singing, and I think it sounds so weird - very sparse. I don't get how it became their signature song, when I think a song like Take the Time showcases a lot, lot more of what makes the band great. Metropolis is still a pleasant enough listen, but would not make my top fifty.
There are probably a couple more - I am fond of Lines in the Sand, but don't think it's particularly essential - but I tend to be on the opposite side of this thread, and more often find myself loving the songs some people quite vocally deride. I don't think Octavarium has a single weak track, and I think In the Presence of Enemies, pt. 2 is the closest to a weak link on Systematic Chaos. I'm more than happy to listen to You Not Me if it comes up. There really are very few songs I dislike.
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Outcry. The subject of the lyrics is good, but the lyrics themselves? They're not. I like the instrumental section and the chorus is okay but it's one of my least favourite songs from ADTOE.
...aaaand probably most of DT12. I really don't like the album that much, I can't find the 'magic' on it that other DT albums do have for me. I like a few songs, and the ones I like best are probably TEI and IT, but even those would probably not be in my top 50.
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Blind Faith :D Never liked the song.. Total borefest from start to finish. I struggled to finish it when I heard it first time in 2002 and I still do! :D
And I really haven't got into DT12.. I hope that someday I will :)
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Metropolis I "get," I just think it's a little low on substance. The instrumental's good, and there's stuff to recommend the verses, but it's like JLB opens his mouth and the band go into a holding pattern. Nothing that's particularly instrumentally interesting happens while James LaBrie's singing, and I think it sounds so weird - very sparse. I don't get how it became their signature song, when I think a song like Take the Time showcases a lot, lot more of what makes the band great. Metropolis is still a pleasant enough listen, but would not make my top fifty.
I see your point on Metropolis, although I think that JLB's strong melodies are what make those sections of the song. The band gets into a good metal chug, so JLB can add some soaring vocals. And the instrumental section is a defining moment for DT, and add significantly to the song as a whole. And the outro is pretty epic too.
Also, I think it became a signature song because it translates so well live, perhaps in part because of the simpler arrangement, so it became a live staple early on, and stayed there, which has helped it gain more fans. Even though Take The Time is easily a top 5 DT song for me (probably 3rd), and I prefer it to Metropolis, I don't think it often translates nearly as well live. The vocals were so incredible in the studio that they're difficult to replicate live, and it really needs to get into that groove to sound right, and needs that bubbly bass sound.
Metropolis is also a relatively "safer" song for DT, so I think a very high percentage of people at least like it, even though I don't see a huge amount of people rank it top 10. It's universally liked, rather than universally praised. Given the diversity of DT's music and fanbase, that puts it in rare company, unlike songs that are a bit more divisive that gain adoration as well as a fair share of detractors.
I do agree that TTT is the much better song though, and deserves at least equal cred. It covers a lot of ground musically, some of which they've rarely if ever repeated, but has so many signature DT elements.
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I see your point on Metropolis, although I think that JLB's strong melodies are what make those sections of the song. The band gets into a good metal chug, so JLB can add some soaring vocals. And the instrumental section is a defining moment for DT, and add significantly to the song as a whole. And the outro is pretty epic too.
Pretty much this. THe thing is, first of all, like Blob said, JLB does a great job, and quite frankly, some times a band needs to know when to "dial back" on the instruments, to let the vocals do their job better. It's the same case with Home and One Last Time, if you think about it, when the vocals first start on those two songs, the riffs in the background are relatively minimalistic (although very enjoyable if you ask me).
And the thing with Metropolis is, that instrumental section still allows all the musicians to showcase their chops, so it's not a "showcase the singer only" song.
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TCOT...song is often pointless, lyrics are too bad...the ending is so cheesy, 4 chords over and over for some minutes, but it's quite enjoyable
not 100% crap, but definitely not on the same level of all other long tracks (ACOS, ITNOG, 8vm...)
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- Another Day and Take The Time: the definite low points of I&W for me. TTT is pretty cool musically, but nothing as amazing as Metropolis, UAGM or LTL. What really bugs me about both songs are the vocal melodies. And Another Day is one of the cheesiest DT songs ever.
- Voices: I don't get it. It's not bad or anything, but by far the weakest song on Awake for me, which is unfortunate, since I love the rest of the album.
- Blind Faith and Misunderstood: These two are the reason why I hardly ever listen to SDOIT in full. After the amazing opener that is TGP, you get these two borefests. And what the hell is up with the feedback section in Misunderstood? I can't stand the lyrics of either song either.
- Lost Not Forgotten: I'm not sure if it fits this list, since I enjoy and like it, but it's the low point of ADTOE imo. I don't really understand why it's some people's favourite, but oh well. Also, lyrically, it's really SC and BC&SL like, which makes it stand out in a negative way among the pretty damn good lyrics of the rest of the album.
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A Change Of Seasons. Each time i've listened to it - it sounds like a bunch of ideas left over from better songs just thrown together and I can never work out how
it gets as much - or more - praise as Octavarium - which flows perfectly.
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- Blind Faith and Misunderstood: These two are the reason why I hardly ever listen to SDOIT in full. After the amazing opener that is TGP, you get these two borefests. And what the hell is up with the feedback section in Misunderstood? I can't stand the lyrics of either song either.
Those 2 for me too. I often had the strange feeling that Blind Faith might be a great song for me one day, but that it just hadn't clicked yet (like what happened with Trial of Tears and Lines in the Sand, which I now love). But it's been so long now, I doubt it ever will. Never really been too keen on Misunderstood, especially the ending.
But the most obvious one for me is the 6 Degrees title track - I've just never been a fan. Despite loving DT's longer songs, it's just never done it for me (probably doesn't help that I've always see it as separate tracks). There are some cool moments, but overall it ranks pretty low.
I don't dislike any of those songs, but it's a shame they all come on the same album! Partly explains why 6DOIT is one of my least favourite DT records.
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Root of all evil, Outcry, Spirit Caries On
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Octavarium. The only redeeming part is Petrucci's outro solo, the rest is pretty much "meh" to me, starting with the overly long Pink Floyd rip-off intro, the Disney melodies and that nonsensical lyric part (you know the one).
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Take The Time - It's one of my least favourite DT songs. I just don't get anything about it. The keyboard sounds annoy me and the vocal melodies are very weak in my honest opinion.
A Change of All Seasons - Drags on way too much except for Another World and doesn't flow very nicely.
Fatal Tragedy - The first 5 minutes are pretty boring compared to the great instrumental.
Lines In The Sand - Once again annoying keyboard sounds and very weak vocal melodies (especially the chorus, god).
- Voices: I don't get it. It's not bad or anything, but by far the weakest song on Awake for me, which is unfortunate, since I love the rest of the album.
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"Space Dye Vest" - was my bathroom break at the concert a few weeks ago. Always found it to be a massive bore that I skip whenever I listen to Awake
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"Space Dye Vest" - was my bathroom break at the concert a few weeks ago. Always found it to be a massive bore that I skip whenever I listen to Awake
You skip it? So every time you listen to Awake and Space-Dye Vest comes on, you just move on to the song that comes after it? :neverusethis:
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There's probably a list of them, but the ones that come to mind are...
The Root of All Evil
These Walls
The Spirit Carries On
Trial of Tears
Peruvian Skies
Can't really bother with an explanation to each, they're just ones I see a lot that I don't rally care for
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"Space Dye Vest" - was my bathroom break at the concert a few weeks ago. Always found it to be a massive bore that I skip whenever I listen to Awake
You skip it? So every time you listen to Awake and Space-Dye Vest comes on, you just move on to the song that comes after it? :neverusethis:
:lol
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Home
I just don't get it. The outro is amazing (and the female voice acting is quite nice...lol) but the verses are too drawn out and just plain BAD.
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I do think the verses in Home drag a bit, though overall I still really like the song.
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There are quite a few, but to start off ....
ACOS - never understood the fascination with this song.
8VM - Actually, I guess this is 'ok' on the rare occasions I can stay awake long enough for it to kick in.
TCOT - Not a fan of comedic metal
Constant Motion, ITPOE part 2, Dark Eternal Night .... it goes on and on.
Basically, they lost me after 6DOIT but I got back on the bandwagon once ADTOE came out. The last two albums are incredible.
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There are quite a few, but to start off ....
ACOS - never understood the fascination with this song. It's just drawn out, boring and James sounded horrible on it (to me).
I like ACOS but I think that it sounds kinda bad :P It would be so cool with FII or 8VM mixing!
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There are quite a few, but to start off ....
ACOS - never understood the fascination with this song. It's just drawn out, boring and James sounded horrible on it (to me).
I like ACOS but I think that it sounds kinda bad :P It would be so cool with FII or 8VM mixing!
I actually edited out the comment about James. I've never been a fan of his voice, so it's not fair for me to comment on that.
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"Space Dye Vest" - was my bathroom break at the concert a few weeks ago. Always found it to be a massive bore that I skip whenever I listen to Awake
You skip it? So every time you listen to Awake and Space-Dye Vest comes on, you just move on to the song that comes after it? :neverusethis:
:lol
I have Eve right after SDV :hat
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The Count of Tuscany (actually all of BC&SL)
Octavarium
Sacrificed Sons
The Dark Eternal Night
Constant Motion
Panic Attack
Most of the middle of SDOIT (the song)
The Bigger Picture
Bridges in the Sky
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Sacrificed Sons and all of BC&SL.
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Sacrificed Sons and all of BC&SL.
Not so favorite DT songs that a lot of DT Fans seems to like
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- Another Day and Take The Time: the definite low points of I&W for me. TTT is pretty cool musically, but nothing as amazing as Metropolis, UAGM or LTL. And Another Day is one of the cheesiest DT songs ever.
- Voices: I don't get it. It's not bad or anything, but by far the weakest song on Awake for me, which is unfortunate, since I love the rest of the album.
First point is my thoughts on those songs exactly. I like TtT a lot and it's real fun and all, but it gets too high of praise imo. And AD has some nice things about it but overall very cheesy and not interesting.
Voices I do enjoy, but it's not as good as most think it is to me. It's my least favorite of AMBI, but it's still a good song and not my least favorite off the album (I actually don't what that is for that album. Most of it is so strong.)
As for some others, I'd say all of Falling Into Infinity save ToT and HK. I see a lot of people defend the album and say they love it, but on a whole I don't love the album. LitS is very overrated. I like it and it has some great parts, but it just drags. Most of the rest is just not great in my eyes.
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The following songs are not in my top 50:
Learning to Live
Voices
Scarred
Trial of Tears
Home
Finally Free
The Glass Prison
The Great Debate
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Breaking all Illusions
Good song, but I don't rate it anywhere near as high as most DT fans do.
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The Glass Prison - Really like it, but it's nowhere near the praise it usually gets. I think James sounds pretty bad here and some vocal melodies and instrumental sections are questionable. Easily my least favourite of 6DOIT(but considering it's one of my favourite albums, that's not saying much).
Beneath The Surface - If some asks me what cheesy means, this song would be one of the first things it comes to mind.
Innocence Faded - The song I usually skip on Awake, has some good moments, but the vocals are annoying and remind me of Cristian Castro, especially the ending "whoooo ooohhh ooooooohhh whoooo". Extremely dissapointed to find it on Score.
A Change of Seasons - I put it here because most people love it or don't like it so much, I'm on the middle ground. It has some great moments and flows pretty well until The Darkest of Winters, but I don't find it neither that great or that bad.
Metropolis - I get why it's considered the essencial DT song, as it has most of their signature elements and they were new at the time, that crazy instrumental section can blow your head if you're not ready for it, but it wore out it's welcome pretty soon. Kickass intro though.
Fatal Tragedy - Neither the vocals, nor the instrumental does anything for me.
Home - Bad lyrics, the metropolis reprise sounds completely forced. Otherwise it kicks ass, but those flaws are too big to be overlooked.
On The Backs of Angels - Good song, but it leaves me sort of cold, like it seems to be trying too hard to be great.
Sacrificed Sons - Can't relate to the subject matter for a number of reasons, good music though.
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I keep reading the title as "least favorite", but that's not the question that was originally asked. So, keeping that in mind... and in no order...
Home (the sex stuff - I mean, you get the point if you read the lyrics, right?)
Sacrificed Sons (I don't hate this one but it's very hard for me to listen to - subject matter thing)
ACOS (yeah, I don't get the love for this one and I've tried - they should've stuck more to how the 1991 demo was, but James had had the food poisoning episode by then so... yeah, no)
TCOT (MASSIVELY overrated - best part of the song is Jordan's homage to Zappa 3ish minutes into the intro)
TSF (too rehashy for me - "I am responsible" is the best part of the song, hands down)
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Beneath The Surface - If some asks me what cheesy means, this song would be one of the first things it comes to mind.
I could think of a plethora of DT songs infinitely more cheesy than BTS. :eek
Home - Bad lyrics, the metropolis reprise sounds completely forced. Otherwise it kicks ass, but those flaws are too big to be overlooked.
The Metropolis reprise honestly sounds like the opposite of anything that may sound forced. It very clearly draws from that theme but is modified to fit the feel of the song as a whole, which is why it always blows my mind to hear it. It also doesn't last that long in the song, so surely a couple of seconds weren't so bad that they ruin the rest of the 12 minutes?
Sacrificed Sons - Can't relate to the subject matter for a number of reasons, good music though.
I guess you place a pretty high priority on lyrics in comparison to the music, which is all good and fine, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it a detriment because I couldn't totally relate to the subject matter. There's a number of DT songs where that's the case for me but I still enjoy if it has the good music to back it up.
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Sacrificed Sons - Can't relate to the subject matter for a number of reasons, good music though.
For this reason, I listen to the Symphonic version more than the original. That, and it's just so much more epic.
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Easy to think of what mine are. But although I understand some of the points people have made, I like nearly every song that's been mentioned in this thread so at least in some way.
Anyway, Innocence Faded took a long while to click with me. And it still probably hasn't properly. I just could never get into it, but more recently I started liking a few parts of it a bit more. The Score version helps me appreciate it a bit more tbh. And Scarred is in a pretty similar boat but that one clicked a bit earlier than IF. Both of these songs I find iffy on Awake, although I love the rest of the album, save for..
Space Dye Vest. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but it's my least favourite song in the DT catalogue. I'm not biased against KM or any crap like that, he had a great role in DT at the time and I've been into some OSI and find a lot to enjoy. But SDV doesn't click with me and is one of the few DT songs I tend to not listen to. I even prefer You Not Me and all the obscure FII B sides. Hell I even like Don't Look Past Me more than SDV and talk about a song taking a long time to click, I had know idea what I was hearing when I first stumbled across DLPM. Hmm, yup, when I think about it, I'd rather torture myself with the Majesty demos than listen to Space Dye Vest more than once in a long while. At least the Majesty demos have something more interesting going on in the music. Yeah I admit that I probably miss the point of the song somewhere along the line but really, it's just not for me. :\
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I could think of a plethora of DT songs infinitely more cheesy than BTS. :eek
I'm sure you can, I can't, but DT isn't exactly short of cheesiness so it's perfectly possible. :lol The music doesn't help either. It's one of the very few DT songs I truly dislike.
The Metropolis reprise honestly sounds like the opposite of anything that may sound forced. It very clearly draws from that theme but is modified to fit the feel of the song as a whole, which is why it always blows my mind to hear it.
Good for you, to me, it feels like it breaks the flow and comes out of nowhere. I still don't like the lyrics, they are the big weakness of an otherwise perfect album for me.
It also doesn't last that long in the song, so surely a couple of seconds weren't so bad that they ruin the rest of the 12 minutes?
Who said it was ruined? It's a not so favorite song that most people seem to like, not a bad song! It's just the bad lyrics and some overlong instrumental sections that make it not among my favorites, but still it barely misses my Top 50/60.
I guess you place a pretty high priority on lyrics in comparison to the music, which is all good and fine, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it a detriment because I couldn't totally relate to the subject matter. There's a number of DT songs where that's the case for me but I still enjoy if it has the good music to back it up.
Again, read the thread title, it says not so favorite, not songs you hate. ;) It's a good song.
As for lyrics, they are important in the way that they don't have to stand in the way of my enjoyment of the song, if they accomplish that, I can roll with it, if it doesn't, then it's a problem. The Count of Tuscany has awful lyrics, but they don't get in the way of the song, even if they are the reason a song that could be an easy Top 10 choice is probably among 30-50.
Sacrificed Sons is different, actually the some parts of the songs are very well written, the reason I don't like them are more political than anything else, I'm just trying to be respectful here.
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Anyway, Innocence Faded took a long while to click with me. And it still probably hasn't properly. I just could never get into it, but more recently I started liking a few parts of it a bit more. The Score version helps me appreciate it a bit more tbh.
Innocence Faded generally seems to be one of the least popular songs off Awake, and yet it's one of my favourites, probably for the exact same reasons people here dislike it. :lol :dunno:
I enjoy the shorter, standard structure songs from DT, and Innocence Faded has a very melodic/AOR approach, especially in the chorus with the harmonies.
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Fair enough. :lol BTS isn't my favorite song in the world but I think the only cheesy moment might be JR's keyboard solo, which I still enjoy anyways.
Actually, though I wouldn't call Sacrificed Sons a fan favorite, I don't like it as much as I could, but for different reasons. The lyrics are decent but it feels like it drags a bit and is longer than it needs to be. Love the riff though. As for the subject matter, I'm not too strong on it one way or the other.
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Fair enough. :lol BTS isn't my favorite song in the world but I think the only cheesy moment might be JR's keyboard solo, which I still enjoy anyways.
JR's solo is the only part of the song I like. :lol The rest of the song is too corny for me. I feel similarly about AFTR, although I still like that song, and yet again my favourite part of the song by far is JR's solo.
What can I say? I'm a JR guy! :hat
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That solo is awesome! It's JR tipping his hat to Keith Emerson.
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Fair enough. :lol BTS isn't my favorite song in the world but I think the only cheesy moment might be JR's keyboard solo, which I still enjoy anyways.
JR's solo is the only part of the song I like. :lol The rest of the song is too corny for me.
I was going to say the exact same thing :lol I like Along For The Ride though, probably because it evolves from the regular balad as soon as the rest of the band kicks in and JP switch guitars.
Innocence Faded generally seems to be one of the least popular songs off Awake, and yet it's one of my favourites, probably for the exact same reasons people here dislike it. :lol :dunno:
I enjoy the shorter, standard structure songs from DT, and Innocence Faded has a very melodic/AOR approach, especially in the chorus with the harmonies.
For me it's not about length or structure, there are short and relatively simple structured songs that are among my very favorites: 6:00, Caught In A Web, Lifting Shadows, Dissapear, The Way It Used To Be, Cover My Eyes, Speak To Me, Vacant... etc etc. You don't need to write a super long or crazy song for it to be great in my book. My problem with Innocence Faded is actually simple: I just don't like the melodies that much. It is still not a bad song or a song that I think should be left off the album, it's great where it is and a nice change of pace on the album, it's just not my cup of tea most of the times. :dunno:
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-Metropolis Pt 1. It prepares the background for SFAM and contains good things but I just can't like the song much. My least fav from I&W.
-Lines in the Sand. UGH the keyboards seem to irritate me a lot from time to time. And the other guy yelling the chorus parts with James don't work for me much.
-The Spirit Carries On. I spoke to a lady friend and she said she couldn't contain her tears each time she heard the song. What is there to feel? It's a good ballad with great moments but it's been overly used! Give it a break for at least 2-3 tours, that's what I say.
-The Glass Prison. First things first, I like the song. But I rate TSF higher than TGP. TGP feels... a bit weird, I don't think I can explain that feeling.
-VIII. Losing Time/Grand Finale. A finale to such a great song could've been more grand than this. Whatever the whole song builds, this part just doesn't get it a notch higher to where I expect each time I hear 6DOIT.(Don't really know if this song is a fan favourite though!)
-Repentance. BORING. I can't go through the first 3-4 minutes. The idea is great but I just don't like how slow the thing is.
-The Count of Tuscany. Bring all the hatred!!! My least or second least favourite of the epics. So cheesy, doesn't give the feels everyone get at those spesific parts, the idea to give the song a 3 minutes break doesn't feel correct to me(it gives a cinematic feeling to IT though, that's how I defend it). Overall, I don't really agree with a huge portion of fans on this song.
-Bridges in the Sky. The song is heavy, it's pretty long and has great moments of it's own. But I don't feel it well somehow. Don't really have an arguement to say why I don't like this song much. I'll try hearing it once again ^^
-The Bigger Picture. I have to say that I love the song a lot. But I simply can't comprehend how people say it's better than IT or anything big. Would appreciate if anyone told why.
-Along for the Ride. I heard lots of people like that song. But it's my least listened to song on DT12 and I feel that it's like a dadrock song. TSCO feels like a way better ballad than this.
That's all, hope I don't get kicked for not liking Metropolis Pt 1, TCOT and TGP ;D
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Lines In The Sand
The Glass Prison
Disappear
Stream Of Consciousness
SC (all)
A Nightmare To Remember
The Best Of Times
Bridges In The Sky
Outcry
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For This Dying Soul or Honor Thy Father, I'm not clear on whether they're liked or not, but I don't like either of them.
SDOIT's parts work better than the whole, so for me it's not up there with the other epics, except perhaps along TCoT which is pretty good but not as good as the other epics (if you want to call it epic) either.
Sacrificed Sons has good parts, but its mood changes too harshly and too often, and the Hollywood-esque section could've been left out or cut out a bit at least.
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I like The Glass Prison, but it's really not a favourite of mine. I suspect it would seem more special to me if I hadn't heard the Train of Thought album first, which contains so many songs that emulate its style.
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I think most of you know what's going to come, but I haven't had this debate with Blob in a while, so here goes:
Octavarium is overrated.
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The album is overrated in some quarters, and I much prefer the two more recent releases. The song? Well deserving of classic status.
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I think most of you know what's going to come, but I haven't had this debate with Blob in a while, so here goes:
Octavarium is overrated.
Meh, people have mentioned songs in this thread I'm far more defensive of. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Even if they are wrong. :neverusethis:
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Goddammit Blob how is a proper pointless opinion debate going to work if you don't cooperate? :P
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-Metropolis Pt 1. It prepares the background for SFAM and contains good things but I just can't like the song much. My least fav from I&W.
-Lines in the Sand. UGH the keyboards seem to irritate me a lot from time to time. And the other guy yelling the chorus parts with James don't work for me much.
-The Spirit Carries On. I spoke to a lady friend and she said she couldn't contain her tears each time she heard the song. What is there to feel? It's a good ballad with great moments but it's been overly used! Give it a break for at least 2-3 tours, that's what I say.
-The Glass Prison. First things first, I like the song. But I rate TSF higher than TGP. TGP feels... a bit weird, I don't think I can explain that feeling.
-VIII. Losing Time/Grand Finale. A finale to such a great song could've been more grand than this. Whatever the whole song builds, this part just doesn't get it a notch higher to where I expect each time I hear 6DOIT.(Don't really know if this song is a fan favourite though!)
-Repentance. BORING. I can't go through the first 3-4 minutes. The idea is great but I just don't like how slow the thing is.
-The Count of Tuscany. Bring all the hatred!!! My least or second least favourite of the epics. So cheesy, doesn't give the feels everyone get at those spesific parts, the idea to give the song a 3 minutes break doesn't feel correct to me(it gives a cinematic feeling to IT though, that's how I defend it). Overall, I don't really agree with a huge portion of fans on this song.
-Bridges in the Sky. The song is heavy, it's pretty long and has great moments of it's own. But I don't feel it well somehow. Don't really have an arguement to say why I don't like this song much. I'll try hearing it once again ^^
-The Bigger Picture. I have to say that I love the song a lot. But I simply can't comprehend how people say it's better than IT or anything big. Would appreciate if anyone told why.
-Along for the Ride. I heard lots of people like that song. But it's my least listened to song on DT12 and I feel that it's like a dadrock song. TSCO feels like a way better ballad than this.
That's all, hope I don't get kicked for not liking Metropolis Pt 1, TCOT and TGP ;D
Such a great avatar, such wrong opinions. I don't kick that much, but if I had to I would for LITS, Repentance, Losing Time and TSCO. :P
And it saddens me to see so many mentions of Lines In The Sand. :(
And Scorpion, Octavarium is awesome, best flowing and most cohesive epic.
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I'm not going to reiterate my other novel-lenght posts on why I don't really like Octavarium, but it basically comes down to the fact that two of the sections, while flowing great - indeed, the whole song flows great, no questions asked! - are also rather boring to listen to: Full Circle (and jeez, I get that those lyrics are tongue in cheek, but damn that's still a little embarassing) and Razor's Edge, including the most overrated guitar solo ever. So even great flow doesn't save the song. Intervals is fucking great though, the way it builds up to that great climax that is basically climax of the whole album is great.
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Octavarium flows wonderfully - possibly the best out of all of DT's epics - but that remains far from the list of reasons why it's one of my two fav DT epics (the other being ACOS). My thoughts can basically just be the antithesis of what Scorpion said. :lol Except that Intervals is, indeed, amazing.
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Such a great avatar, such wrong opinions. I don't kick that much, but if I had to I would for LITS, Repentance, Losing Time and TSCO. :P
I'd like to state that I love them all, but maybe not as much as the rest of the DTF does. For example, I just listened to TSCO from LALP and it was very touching. But it has been played so much that it's getting kinda irritating. Or LITS has the keyboard tone that scratches my ears, that's kinda why I can't hear FII very much. Again, all of them are great songs. I just can't feel them as much as other people do ^^
And heh, thanks for the avatar ;D
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I'm not going to reiterate my other novel-lenght posts on why I don't really like Octavarium, but it basically comes down to the fact that two of the sections, while flowing great - indeed, the whole song flows great, no questions asked! - are also rather boring to listen to: Full Circle (and jeez, I get that those lyrics are tongue in cheek, but damn that's still a little embarassing) and Razor's Edge, including the most overrated guitar solo ever. So even great flow doesn't save the song. Intervals is fucking great though, the way it builds up to that great climax that is basically climax of the whole album is great.
I'm with you on Full Circle lyrics, strong candidate for worst idea DT ever had, the chorus of that section is great though and saves the day for me, the music is also great so I can forgive the whole Owen Wilson thing. Razor's Edge I don't agree, it's great, I'm not crazy on the solo by itself, in the end it's just JP playing Someone Like Him vocal melodies in an epic way, but it was the perfect way to close the whole thing.
By the way, my favorite sections are the first two, unlike most people. And of course, flow and cohesion aren't the main thing, but still a nice trait to have.
For example, I just listened to TSCO from LALP and it was very touching. But it has been played so much that it's getting kinda irritating. Or LITS has the keyboard tone that scratches my ears, that's kinda why I can't hear FII very much. Again, all of them are great songs. I just can't feel them as much as other people do ^^
Yeah, Lines In The Sand aged a little bad on the keyboard intro. but the song is so great I don't mind. TSCO can suffer from overplaying if you're not careful, but still such a great moment live I don't mind it no matter how many times they play it.
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In The Name Of God
I find this song a real chore to get through, so boring and overlong.
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Among those lots of people like, I would put:
Peruvian Skies, some good ideas mixed with some very poor ones, very bad lyric, pointless.
Dark Eternal night. Boring and repetitive. No DT standard.
Outcry, total boredom, bad lyrics, pointless piece as a whole.
Forsaken. For (God) Saken! Chorus is horribly resembling worse Bon Jovi repertoire...
Can't say much about early songs (WDADU) , don't know them enough well to judge. Seems they are not loved much anyway, so why bother in this topic?