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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 03, 2009, 07:58:04 PM
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Jazz is one of the greatest genres in music. From the early jazz of greats like Duke Ellington to new fusion artists like Pat Metheny, we appreciate all that is Jazz in this thread. Talk about concerts you have seen, your favorite artists, etc.
I'm more of a Jazz-fusion person myself, but I also love the more traditional jazz. I'm also not a big fan of vocal jazz.
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The only Jazz I've listened to enough to like is Zappa's Jazz-Fusion era. Although i enjoy some Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever and Weather Report. Also Steely Dan have some cathcy toons.
Do any of the above mentioned count?
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Oh they count. Mahavishnu is the epitome of fusion. And Weather Report is one of my favorite Jazz bands (especially the Jaco era)
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I have Visions of the Emerald Beyond, its pretty out there. Zappa's One Size Fits All is goldie. Inca Roads ftw
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I'm not a big fan of Mahavishnu, only because the sound of the violin and guitar on those records really grates my ears.
Come to think of it, fusion never really held my attention that well for some reason. I DO love Heavy Weather, though.
I've been scratching the surface of Miles Davis recently with his collaborations with Gil Evans. Sketches of Spain is a wonderful record.
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John Coltrane's work is excellent. I listened to A Love Supreme today and it amazed me, as always :hat
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I've been trying so hard to get into A Love Supreme but I can't make it past the 1st track. Sometime soon I'm going to force myself to just listen to it.
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Unrelated: Bill Evans is the fucking man. Can anyone suggest an album of his?
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Jazz rock is the shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwxaI1WnesI
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I nearly only play jazz at school, mainly the older jazz standards. But I never enjoy listening to them.
To be honest, there's nearly no jazz that I really enjoy listening to, except some Pat Metheny, some prog/jazz fusion, like Planet X, and some pop/jazz fusion, like Jamiroquai.
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Unrelated: Bill Evans is the fucking man. Can anyone suggest an album of his?
I've got "Alone" and it's pretty good.
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not as much into jazz as i used to be, but i am more into jazz-fusion stuff.
the big guns of the 70's is what does it for me.....Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, all the side projects from each band, tons of stuff.
but my all-time favorite jazz player is John Coltrane. No one comes close. I even model my lead phrasing after him, and i play guitar.
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My favorite jazz artists are:
The Crusaders
Return To Forever
Weather Report
Joe Sample
Chick Corea
A lot of them have some fusion aspects in there. Great listening.
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give me Jaco anyday. and i will jazz in my pants.
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I wish I could do to one of my basses that Jaco did to his.
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Bump.
Based on this thread https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7246.msg235598#msg235598 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7246.msg235598#msg235598) , I did end up going out and buying a bunch of jazz albums, and I'm still going through a jazz phase of sorts.
Since the thread, I've checked out:
John Coltrane - Giant Steps
Dexter Gordon - Go
Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles
Charles Mingus - Blues and Roots
Keith Jarrett Trio - Changeless
Keith Jarrett Quintet - The Survivor's Suite
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - Moanin'
Art Blakey Quintet - A Night at Birdland, Volume 2
I haven't listened to Birdland yet, but most of these are awesome albums. Go, Moanin' and the Survivor's Suite in particular are brilliant.
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I'm taking a Intro to Jazz course at school right now, so thats really been exposing me to the older stuff more than I was getting into back in middle school (with the exception of Duke Ellington). A year ago I started getting into Fusion, I've got some Return to Forever, Mahavishnu, and Weather Report. Blue Train by Coltrane is really good too.
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I love me some jazz! John Coltrane's Giant Steps and A Love Supreme are amazing!!
I need to get me some more Coltrane. Any other of his albums that are similar to those two?
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I love me some jazz! John Coltrane's Giant Steps and A Love Supreme are amazing!!
I need to get me some more Coltrane. Any other of his albums that are similar to those two?
Blue Train
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I love me some jazz! John Coltrane's Giant Steps and A Love Supreme are amazing!!
I need to get me some more Coltrane. Any other of his albums that are similar to those two?
Blue Train
This. Listening to it right now and its fan-fucking-tastic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ywkpVJ624
My favourite jazz performance of all time. The intro is just the purest slow jazz I've ever heard.
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Bump.
Based on this thread https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7246.msg235598#msg235598 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7246.msg235598#msg235598) , I did end up going out and buying a bunch of jazz albums, and I'm still going through a jazz phase of sorts.
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - Moanin'
I haven't listened to Birdland yet, but most of these are awesome albums. Go, Moanin' and the Survivor's Suite in particular are brilliant.
One of the few jazz albums I feel compelled to listen over and over again. It has a lot of energy and rewards repeated listens, the Drum Thunder suite is one of my favorite moments in music ever. I´m not a jazz expert by any means but another great thing about it is that it doesn´t seem too samey, as many other jazz albums do (in my opinion), maybe it has to do with the structure of the songs which is very original IMO.
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I just want to say that the song "Blue in Green" by Miles Davis is one of the most beautiful and relaxing works I've ever listened to. If you've not heard it, do so immediately.
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I am woefully underexposed to jazz, but I love it when I hear it, and jazz musicians are probably the best in the world.
I do love Mahavishnu Orchestra and Return to Forever, as well as Miles Davis and John Coltrane.
Has anyone ever seen the show Studio Jams that used to come on BET Jazz? I guess it's off the air now, it used to come on Saturday mornings at 5 am. Fantastic musicians just getting together in a studio and jamming.
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personally i'm a big fan of kind of blue. but i also like jazz fusion. i just can't get enough of weather report and jaco pastorius.
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My knowledge of jazz is limited to Miles Davis and John Coltrane. That will change this summer, though.
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My knowledge of jazz is limited to Miles Davis and John Coltrane. That will change this summer, though.
Check out:
Charles Mingus
Herbie Hancock
Wes Montegomery
Sonny Rollins
Just to name a few. Their great follow ups since you like Davis/Coltrane
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Herbie Hancock, Miles Davis, and John Coltrane are my favorites, though I don't listen to it much.
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My knowledge of jazz is limited to Miles Davis and John Coltrane. That will change this summer, though.
Check out:
Charles Mingus
Herbie Hancock
Wes Montegomery
Sonny Rollins
Just to name a few. Their great follow ups since you like Davis/Coltrane
Expect a PM soon.
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I love me some jazz! John Coltrane's Giant Steps and A Love Supreme are amazing!!
I need to get me some more Coltrane. Any other of his albums that are similar to those two?
First Meditations, if you can find it, is similar to ALS. It was the blueprint for Meditations, where the quartet expanded to a six-piece, and the free-jazz ideas start showing.
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My knowledge of jazz is limited to Miles Davis and John Coltrane. That will change this summer, though.
Check out:
Charles Mingus
Herbie Hancock
Wes Montegomery
Sonny Rollins
Just to name a few. Their great follow ups since you like Davis/Coltrane
Expect a PM soon.
I'll be waiting ;)
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My knowledge of jazz is limited to Miles Davis and John Coltrane. That will change this summer, though.
This, pretty much. I love those two artists, but I really need to explore further
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My knowledge of jazz is limited to Miles Davis and John Coltrane. That will change this summer, though.
Check out:
Charles Mingus
Herbie Hancock
Wes Montegomery
Sonny Rollins
Just to name a few. Their great follow ups since you like Davis/Coltrane
Expect a PM soon.
A good starter compilation, I think, would be the Ken Burns Jazz 5CD collection from his Jazz Documentary. Lots of great stuff on there.
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Anyone else here like Spyro Gyra?
And recently I've been getting into a lot of Chuck Mangione...he's incredible.
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Bump.
Based on this thread https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7246.msg235598#msg235598 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7246.msg235598#msg235598) , I did end up going out and buying a bunch of jazz albums, and I'm still going through a jazz phase of sorts.
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - Moanin'
I haven't listened to Birdland yet, but most of these are awesome albums. Go, Moanin' and the Survivor's Suite in particular are brilliant.
One of the few jazz albums I feel compelled to listen over and over again. It has a lot of energy and rewards repeated listens, the Drum Thunder suite is one of my favorite moments in music ever. I´m not a jazz expert by any means but another great thing about it is that it doesn´t seem too samey, as many other jazz albums do (in my opinion), maybe it has to do with the structure of the songs which is very original IMO.
I've only listened to Moanin' three or four times so far, but I've gotten the same feeling from the album, it really seems like a standout.
If you haven't heard Dexter Gordon's Go, I seriously recommend that. Like Moanin', the songs aren't samey at all, and they're very energetic and exciting. The major difference is that while on Moanin', everyone is getting the chance to shine, Go is more or less Dexter Gordon dominating the sax for six tracks and everyone else just providing the backing. But he's amazing, so it works.
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I can't help but feel intimidated by Jazz, I know nearly nothing about it and yet it is possibly the most definitive and diverse genre of music.
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While I don't know any specific Jazz artists, or all that much about the genre in general, I love smooth jazz. It's just so...soothing.
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I can't help but feel intimidated by Jazz, I know nearly nothing about it and yet it is possibly the most definitive and diverse genre of music.
Just don't overthink it, I guess. I mean, yes, jazz is massive, but so is rock, if you're looking at it from the outside with little or no real exposure to it. You can't become an expert on a genre overnight, so just work on an album by album, artist by artist basis. I bought my first jazz albums about five or so years ago, and I still barely have 25-30 albums. I'm starting to pick up now, but with jazz, I tend to really take my time.
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I didn´t get any answers in the favorite drummer thread so I´ll post my question here:
:lol Good answer! Most of the best jazz drummers pretty much kill any and all rock drummers, Peart included
I´ve never understood this. Why is jazz drumming considered very complex and technical? Because what I hear from my jazz records (at least classic jazz) seems very simple, straightforward and repetitive. Fusion is more intricate but to my ears it´s at the same level than some prog rock drummers. So the possiblities are: 1. Classic jazz (Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Dave Brubeck, Art Bakley and all that stuff) is not what people refer to when talking about jazz drumming being technical or 2. There is something very complex about jazz drumming that I don´t get, maybe is it too difficult to appreciate the complexity of a guy playing subtlely on a small kit compared to the in-your-face pyrothecnics of NP on his huge kit?
Can anybody enlighten me? I´ve had this question for 5 years and never heard a satisfactory answer.
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I think that it's about the fact that most people don't understand it. Including me, btw. When I hear a goo jazz drummer from my school (conservatory), I appreciate it, but when I compare it to someone who seems to be a great drummer, I don't see a lot of differences. But the fact that people who know music appreciate it that much, makes me appreciate it, although I don't really understand it.
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I don't pay close attention to the drumming for the most part, but jazz drumming doesn't seem more complex/intricate/special than any other drumming as far as I can tell
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Well, I think the most difficult part is playing along with the bands improvisation. Instead of laying down a 4/4 groove, you are the band leader. You let the band know, by your way of playing when you are changing from the A scheme to the B scheme, or where to put some accents that follows the solo.
It's much more than keeping the tempo, you're the conductor.
That being said, I can't hear the difference between a good jazz drummer and a great one.
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I think it has to do with intricacies and theory of percussion and it's role in a song, which can be free-flowing and improvised as it goes. It's much different than just hitting the snare on two and four to fill out the song and keep time, which is the basis of all "pop" drumming (yes, even prog and metal).
Not being a jazz expert, that's the way it seems to me. I used to play drums, and I like watching drummers of all styles, but jazz drummers just mystify and captivate me. It's like watching the difference between a child athlete and a professional athlete. The only "pop" style drummers that remotely capture me in the same way as jazz drummers are Virgil Donati, Vinnie Colaiuta, and Carter Beauford.
Maybe someone more Jazzcentric or a better drummer can explain it better.
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Thank you very much for the answers, they´re certainly useful, for what I understand is something more subtle what makes jazz drumming more technical.
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Definately!
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Definately!
I always used to misspell Definitely like that :lol
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I don't even play an instrument, but the way I always figured the jazz drummer thing was that a) a jazz drummer has to, like all jazz musicians, know how to improvise and "feel" his way through a song, which is hard enough when you have an instrument where you can run up and down the scale, but it enters another dimension when you're sitting behind a bunch of cans, and b) as someone said above, he has to do that while simultaneously holding the beat for the rest of the soloists AND not getting in the way of them and their own solos.
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Definately!
I always used to misspell Definitely like that :lol
wow, I didn't even know that definately is the wrong way of spelling.
Thanks;)
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I'm not really into traditional Jazz, but I have always loved stuff like Spyra Gyra. Jay Beckenstein played the sax part on Another Day.(sorry if this has been mentioned in the thread already)
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No love for the Dave Brubeck Quartet?
I too am in the category of woefully underexposed, but I have been making an effort to expand my jazz horizons. Just this year, I have added Herbie Hancock - Head Hunter and Miles Davis - Kind of Blue to my small collection that consistes of a few Dave Brubeck CDs (Time Out, At Carnagie Hall, Jazz At Oberlin), some Spyro Gyra, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior, Steely Dan, some of the jazz works of Frank Zappa, Preservation Hall Jazz Band and a few others that are escapting me right now. I will be looking back into this thread to get some more ideas on where to go...
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I have a best of album of John Coltrane which I really like; any recommendations on where to go from there?
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Started with fusion, and got into trad. jazz.
Still love all of it.
Some of my favorites:
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Return to Forever
(STELLAR musicians in both groups)
Haven't really touched Weather Report, will one day.
Al Di Meola
Allan Holdsworth (breathtaking, hell all of these guys are!)
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
Charlie Christian (GREAT jazz licks, underrated)
Pat Martino- Insane story, he was a famous jazz guitarist from his 20s and so on. Around 40 or 50 he had a brain aneurysm and forgot everything. He then RELEARNED everything again, and still makes albums and tours. He's insane, i'd even say hes better after his accident. Crazy thing though, he plays 13 gauge strings, in standard!!!
Pat Metheny
Billy Cobham
Dave Weckl
(both amazing drummers, Cobhams got a more funk-fusion sound and Weckl is got this nice World-Jazz-Fusion-Funk Hybrid thats great.)
John Scofield- another great fusiony guitarist.
I'm not a big fan of that new smooth-vocal jazz either, but Norman Brown is a guitarist who plays sort of the same stuff, just guitar with no vocals, really good chill back music.
Can't forget Wes Montgomery
Here's some youtube clips of some of these guys.
Mahavishnu Orchestra-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujcYw2QTPzM
Return to Forever- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQyNJn1HzvE (From their recent live reunion, GREAT show!, groove starting at 2:00 is killer!!!!)
Al Di Meola- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atz9vzTAUh0 Probably his most rocking song.
Allan Holdsworth- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJF5zB7YcXc His playing style is possibly the most unique i've ever heard
Miles Davis- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8x9_WEl1g Favorite Track off of KOB
Pat Martino- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_bHgaQQZE
Billy Cobham- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1QENfrsPCc grooving song
Dave Weckl- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLMyYToYwuQ
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My friends have a jazz quartet group going and they just released their first album on iTunes and Amazon if you wanna check it out! They're the iQuartet. (yes they, as well as i, are apple fans)
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Great list and samples. I know almost all the names and have at least their most single reprsentative work (e.g. RTF´s Romantic Warrior) but I really want to dig more into them. I´ve never heard anything from Holdsworth, Martino, or Scofield, though.
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I have a best of album of John Coltrane which I really like; any recommendations on where to go from there?
Albums that will probably get mentioned every time:
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
JC - A Love Supreme, My Favorite Things
Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (I strongly recommend this one)
Art Bakley - Moanin
Those are the very classics, I don´t know if that´s what you´re looking for.
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Pat Martino- Insane story, he was a famous jazz guitarist from his 20s and so on. Around 40 or 50 he had a brain aneurysm and forgot everything. He then RELEARNED everything again, and still makes albums and tours. He's insane, i'd even say hes better after his accident. Crazy thing though, he plays 13 gauge strings, in standard!!!
This is like the coolest musician story ever.
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Pat Martino- Insane story, he was a famous jazz guitarist from his 20s and so on. Around 40 or 50 he had a brain aneurysm and forgot everything. He then RELEARNED everything again, and still makes albums and tours. He's insane, i'd even say hes better after his accident. Crazy thing though, he plays 13 gauge strings, in standard!!!
This is like the coolest musician story ever.
I know right?
I just imagine after he learned to like swallow and talk again, his friends and family showed him all of his cds and was like " oh yeah, Pat you were a famous guitarist."
Incredible dedication.
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Listening to Bill Evans Trio's Sunday At The Village Vanguard :hat
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I have a best of album of John Coltrane which I really like; any recommendations on where to go from there?
Albums that will probably get mentioned every time:
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
JC - A Love Supreme, My Favorite Things
Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (I strongly recommend this one)
Art Bakley - Moanin
Those are the very classics, I don´t know if that´s what you´re looking for.
Thanks, will check them out eventually. :tup
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Modal Jazz is a favourite subgenre for me at the moment.
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I've been getting into some modern gypsy-ish jazz. Frank Vignola is a monster.
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I'm a die-hard jazz fan, so I have to post in this thread.
Some really high-quality albums I've picked up recently, ranging from traditional jazz, through fusion, to world and beyond. Any, and all, of these are solid and should be mandatory listening.
Jason Lindner Now Vs. Now (fusion/rnb/jazz/funk - 2009 album of the year all categories & genres)
Robert Glasper Double Booked (jazz & hip-hop)
Return To Forever Returns (live album from recent world tour)
Chick Corea & John McLaughlin Five Peace Band (jazz/fusion, HOLY SHIT)
Terence Blanchard Flow (modern traditional - yeah, I know, and fucking brilliant)
Kenny Garrett Beyond The Wall (in the spirit of Coltrane, more traditional but damn fine)
Christian McBride Live @ Tonic (fusion/jazz/jam - Terreon Gully on drums is worth listening to alone)
Keith Jarrett Testament (live improvised solo album that tears you apart, in mind and heart)
EST Leucocyte (post-rock jazz, really something else)
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Return To Forever Returns (live album from recent world tour)
Chick Corea & John McLaughlin Five Peace Band (jazz/fusion, HOLY SHIT)
I´ve got this two albums, those really impressive all-star line-ups putting a live performance grabbed my attention but... I haven´t had time to listen to it yet.
I was listening to Kenny Burrell last night and I liked him, those guitar + sax leads are awesome.
But once and again I get the impression that the jazz I have is very samey, the structure of the songs is very similar, they all have those mid tempo repeated sax melodies, long piano solos (that are all very similar, or is it in my ears?), then a short bass solo, the drumming is the same in all songs. I don´t want to sound too simplistic but I don´t know, I´m still looking for more variety.
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Came back to the thread to tell everyone to listen to "Rose Room" by Benny Goodman. It has quickly become one of my favorite swing songs.
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Benny Goodman is the man
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NPR has a great Jazz Profiles program. It's really well done and you can download it as a podcast; I would check it out!
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I urge you guys to check out Frank Vignola & Tommy Emmanuel's In Between Frets record. It's just Frank and Tommy with acoustic guitars and a bassist. Good shit.
Edit: here's a clip of them playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvNuigQrFM8
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I´m still looking for more variety.
Any, or most, of the albums I mentioned above (and you have two of them - awesome) should give you more variety. I understand what you're talking about regarding structure - and yes, most traditional (or, straight-ahead) jazz have similar structure, but there's a ton of jazz out there that's very different.
Checkout https://www.allaboutjazz.com (https://www.allaboutjazz.com) for some ideas, reviews, and so on.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the great Frank Gambale. An amazing Aussie fusion jazz guitarist who is one of the fastest sweepers in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkjv5DyZ5pk&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjyqMZKeaPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH8EbI89xgE
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I urge you guys to check out Frank Vignola & Tommy Emmanuel's In Between Frets record. It's just Frank and Tommy with acoustic guitars and a bassist. Good shit.
Edit: here's a clip of them playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvNuigQrFM8
Wow I really liked that! Seem like really cool guys too
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I urge you guys to check out Frank Vignola & Tommy Emmanuel's In Between Frets record. It's just Frank and Tommy with acoustic guitars and a bassist. Good shit.
Edit: here's a clip of them playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvNuigQrFM8
Wow I really liked that! Seem like really cool guys too
Nice! Here's one of his Quintet doing an original, "Luke." The mandolin player is out of this world!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvOxcjLu1I
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I never knew this thread existed until now! Got into jazz when I started undergrad and met a DT fan in my dorm who happened to be a jazz major and blew me away with Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers.
And now, of course, I date a jazz musician so it's been a downward spiral for the past 3.5 years ;)
Anyway, I just saw an amazing show. Curtis Fuller, who is in his eighties and still awesome (I think his left arm was broken or something too!), with five other amazing guys from here in Denver: Keith Oxman (tenor), Al Hood (he is the trumpet guy here at DU, blew [:millahhhh] me away at some faculty concerts so I started talking to him through email and he told me about the show), Ken Walker (bass, another DU guy, awesome), Todd Reid (drums), and Chip Stephens (piano) (have not heard of these two until tonight). I feel so fortunate to have heard Curtis play live. He was on the first jazz album I ever heard (Free for All :heart) and I never really thought I'd have the opportunity. So glad I got out for that. Didn't get a chance to talk to him, though.
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There's a big slow jazz festival of sorts, a show a weekend, in my area in the next few months. I'd kinda like to go to some shows, but they're insanely priced. Every show is at least 25 euro.
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That is a lot... do you just have local clubs and stuff you can go to?
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The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady by Charles Mingus is probably the best jazz album I've listened to so far :eek
This kind of Jazz is Avant-Garde and "Experimental Big Band", so it's not your typical and straight forward Cool/Smooth Jazz album. This stuff gets very complex and it was made with an 11-piece band. Lots of multi layered stuff, fast, slow and mid tempo as well. To those that don't have this album, get it! :hefdaddy
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Anyone here a Tal Wilkenfeld admirer
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Anyone here a Tal Wilkenfeld admirer
YES!!!!!
so fucking cute.
:heart
and liking her for that is justified, because she's also an amazing bassist.
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Anyone here a Tal Wilkenfeld admirer
YES!!!!!
so fucking cute.
:heart
and liking her for that is justified, because she's also an amazing bassist.
That's the problem with her
I think because she is attractive she won't be taken serious.
too bad cause she's a damn good bass player
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Damn, I just bought this album a few days ago. Luckily, it hasn't touched my computer yet. Check out the first review. I'll have to, ahem, reacquire the fucking thing just to get it on my computer.
However, I'm psyched. Art Blakey + African drumming suite = YAY
https://www.amazon.com/Drum-Suite-Art-Blakey/dp/B000CELO9K (https://www.amazon.com/Drum-Suite-Art-Blakey/dp/B000CELO9K)
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Everyone check out the incredible lineup at this year's North Sea Jazz:
https://www.northseajazz.com/en/default.aspx
Stanley Clarke Band with Hiromi (and Ronald Bruner Jr.!)
McCoy Tyner Trio + Joe Lovano
Ron Carter's Golden Striker Trio (with Mulgrew Miller!)
Bobby Hutcherson & Cedar Walton Quartet
Chick Corea's Freedom Band (with Kenny Garrett, Christian McBride and Roy Haynes!)
Herbie Hancock's The Imagine Project (with Lionel Loueke, Greg Phillinganes, Tal Wilkenfeld and Vinnie Colaiuta)
Sonny Rollins
Pat Metheny Group (a quartet with Lyle Mays, Steve Rodby and Antonio Sanchez)
Marcus Miller's TUTU revisited
Joshua Redman Double Trio
Ornette Coleman Quartet: This Is Our Music Now! (with Charlie Haden and Joshua Redman)
Ornette Coleman Quartet (with two bassists plus Denardo Coleman on drums)
Ornette Coleman Quartet meets Bachir Attar & The Master Musicians Of Jajouka and James Blood Ulmer (yes, Ornette plays with a different lineup on each day of the festival)
Lee Konitz Quintet
Kenny Barron Trio + David Sanchez
Dave Holland y Pepe Habichuela Flamenco Project
Mike Stern Group (with Randy Brecker and Dave Weckl!)
Richard Bona
Jaga Jazzist
Eivind Aarset Sonic Codex Orchestra
Bob Brookmeyer New Art Orchestra
"New York State of Mind": The Metropole Orchestra conducted by Vince Mendoza with Lee Konitz, David Binney, Eric Alexander, Chris Potter, Michael Attias, Clifton Anderson, Christian Scott & Jason Moran
And hose are just the jazz/fusion guys that I'm (somewhat) familiar with, there's lots more!
There's also Joe Bonamassa, Elvis Costello & The Sugarcanes, Randy Crawford with the Joe Sample Trio, Norah Jones, Katie Melua, Dee Dee Bridgewater, Diana Krall, Joss Stone, Tower of Power, Earth, Wind & Fire and Stevie Wonder, too...
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Damn I'm happy I live a few blocks away from that
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I've tasted samples from every almost every genre of music except for jazz, which has always intrigued me, especially considering both its influence upon and the elements of it that show up in metal and hip hop groups I listen to, along with my love for the instruments and atmosphere that are largely a part of jazz. It's time I fixed my mistake, /dtf/.
tl;dr I'm late to the party, recommend me some stuff.
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I'm late to the party, recommend me some stuff.
Here's what I'd consider a pretty "safe" list for beginners:
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
One of the great classics that deserves the praise. You'll get to
hear saxophonists John Coltrane and Cannonball Adderley and
Pianist Bill Evans as well, all of them among the "big names" of
jazz. Features some great writing from Davis and Evans.
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
The album that introduced the classic "Take Five" to the world is
focused on odd time signatures, something very unusual in jazz
at the time it was recorded (1959). Lots of great tunes featuring
the cool alto sax of Paul Desmond (who wrote Take Five, btw).
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - Mosaic
Blakey's bands turned many youngsters into stars. This sextet lineup
features the great Freddie Hubbard on trumpet, Wayne Shorter
on tenor sax (now a living legend) and Curtis Fuller on trombone
as well as Cedar Walton on piano. Gotta love the driving title track!
Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Basin Street
Clifford Brown was one of the most influential trumpet players of
the 50s and died very young in a car crash. This album features
his probably strongest band with another young star on tenor
sax who would become a legend himself: Sonny Rollins.
John Coltrane - Crescent
When people recommend a Coltrane album, they often pick A Love Supreme -
a rather unusual concept album. I think Crescent, recorded right before
ALS, is perfect as an introduction to Coltrane's "classic quartet" with McCoy
Tyner on piano and Elvin Jones on drums. Excellent tunes, fantastic playing!
Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby
A live recording of Bill's trio featuring the amazing bassist Scott LaFaro who
would die in a car crash just days later - their interplay is simply stunning.
Either get this one or Sunday at the Village Vanguard from the same concert -
or go for the "Complete Village Vanguard 1961" three disc set - it's awesome!
Grant Green - Idle Moments
One of the jazz guitar icons from the 60s, Grant Green recorded my favorite
album of his with tenor saxophonist Joe Henderson and vibist Bobby Hutcherson,
both of whom I could go on recommending tons of great albums from as well.
The 15 minute title track is just beautifully relaxed, a true masterpiece!
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
There are many great Herbie albums that I could recommend, but this one is
still my favorite. This is an early version of the great mid-60s Miles Davis quintet
(featuring the very underrated George Coleman on tenor sax) with Freddie
Hubbard replacing Miles. Great playing, great tunes (the title track is a classic).
Horace Silver - Song for My Father
It's hard to pick a particular Horace Silver album, he recorded so many good
ones. His funky piano style and catchy writing are always a joy to hear. Song
for My Father features the very successful title track with a stunning tenor
sax solo by (once again) Joe Henderson and some nice piano trio tracks, too.
Thelonious Monk Orchestra at Town Hall
Monk was a very unique pianist who wrote many classic jazz tunes. Most of his albums
were recorded with a quartet (often, as here, with Charlie Rouse on tenor sax) and
so they tend to sound a bit samey, but this one is a pleasant exception - after a
few quartet tracks, six more players join the band with some excellent arrangements.
Those ten should get you started. All of them are classics, easy to find (most of
them cheap, too!) and easy to get into. Report back when you bought some of them! :)
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I'm late to the party, recommend me some stuff.
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
One of the great classics that deserves the praise. You'll get to
hear saxophonists John Coltrane and Cannonball Adderley and
Pianist Bill Evans as well, all of them among the "big names" of
jazz. Features some great writing from Davis and Evans.
Great album
My favorite jazz album and also one of my favorite album of all time
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:tup to Kind of Blue.
Got me into Jazz, Period.
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John Coltrane's A Love Supreme is pure awesome as well.
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John Coltrane's A Love Supreme is pure awesome as well.
:tup
Anyone for the Standards Trio? Keith Jarrett is by far my favorite pianist, and put him, Jack DeJohnette, and Gary Peacock in one room, and you've got magic. This is my favorite thing they've done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Al2MDJL7oY Part two should be on the side.
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John Coltrane's A Love Supreme is pure awesome as well.
:tup
Anyone for the Standards Trio? Keith Jarrett is by far my favorite pianist, and put him, Jack DeJohnette, and Gary Peacock in one room, and you've got magic. This is my favorite thing they've done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Al2MDJL7oY Part two should be on the side.
Oh hell yeah. I worship Keith Jarrett. Got just about everything he's put out. Genius. And the Trio is fucking amazing.
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Thank you for that epic list, Kyo! :tup I'll get on listening to them.
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Chick Corea's Freedom Band (with Kenny Garrett, Christian McBride and Roy Haynes!)
Herbie Hancock's The Imagine Project (with Lionel Loueke, Greg Phillinganes, Tal Wilkenfeld and Vinnie Colaiuta)
Pat Metheny Group (a quartet with Lyle Mays, Steve Rodby and Antonio Sanchez)
Joshua Redman Double Trio
Ornette Coleman Quartet: This Is Our Music Now! (with Charlie Haden and Joshua Redman)
Dave Holland y Pepe Habichuela Flamenco Project
Mike Stern Group (with Randy Brecker and Dave Weckl!)
Richard Bona
Tower of Power
OMFG. I WANT.
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Don't leave out Charles Mingus' Mingus Ah Um or The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady!
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BLUE TRAIN, STOP KICKING ASS
I think I prefer this album to A Love Supreme by now.
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BLUE TRAIN, STOP KICKING ASS
I think I prefer this album to A Love Supreme by now.
Good man.
@Arcaeus: Check out Weather Report's Heavy Weather and Jaco Pastorius' first solo album. Birds of Fire by Mahavishnu Orchestra is godly as well.
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This version of Whats Going On is amazing!
My favorite drummer with David T Walker :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCyRPCojb2Q&feature=related
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Listened to Miles Davis's Bitches Brew for the first time in a while last night, one of the best albums ever made... in any genre.
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Everyone check out the incredible lineup at this year's North Sea Jazz:
https://www.northseajazz.com/en/default.aspx
Stanley Clarke Band with Hiromi (and Ronald Bruner Jr.!)
McCoy Tyner Trio + Joe Lovano
Ron Carter's Golden Striker Trio (with Mulgrew Miller!)
Bobby Hutcherson & Cedar Walton Quartet
Chick Corea's Freedom Band (with Kenny Garrett, Christian McBride and Roy Haynes!)
Herbie Hancock's The Imagine Project (with Lionel Loueke, Greg Phillinganes, Tal Wilkenfeld and Vinnie Colaiuta)
Sonny Rollins
Pat Metheny Group (a quartet with Lyle Mays, Steve Rodby and Antonio Sanchez)
Marcus Miller's TUTU revisited
Joshua Redman Double Trio
Ornette Coleman Quartet: This Is Our Music Now! (with Charlie Haden and Joshua Redman)
Ornette Coleman Quartet (with two bassists plus Denardo Coleman on drums)
Ornette Coleman Quartet meets Bachir Attar & The Master Musicians Of Jajouka and James Blood Ulmer (yes, Ornette plays with a different lineup on each day of the festival)
Lee Konitz Quintet
Kenny Barron Trio + David Sanchez
Dave Holland y Pepe Habichuela Flamenco Project
Mike Stern Group (with Randy Brecker and Dave Weckl!)
Richard Bona
Jaga Jazzist
Eivind Aarset Sonic Codex Orchestra
Bob Brookmeyer New Art Orchestra
"New York State of Mind": The Metropole Orchestra conducted by Vince Mendoza with Lee Konitz, David Binney, Eric Alexander, Chris Potter, Michael Attias, Clifton Anderson, Christian Scott & Jason Moran
And hose are just the jazz/fusion guys that I'm (somewhat) familiar with, there's lots more!
There's also Joe Bonamassa, Elvis Costello & The Sugarcanes, Randy Crawford with the Joe Sample Trio, Norah Jones, Katie Melua, Dee Dee Bridgewater, Diana Krall, Joss Stone, Tower of Power, Earth, Wind & Fire and Stevie Wonder, too...
Sheeeeet
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Everyone check out the incredible lineup at this year's North Sea Jazz:
https://www.northseajazz.com/en/default.aspx
Stanley Clarke Band with Hiromi (and Ronald Bruner Jr.!)
McCoy Tyner Trio + Joe Lovano
Ron Carter's Golden Striker Trio (with Mulgrew Miller!)
Bobby Hutcherson & Cedar Walton Quartet
Chick Corea's Freedom Band (with Kenny Garrett, Christian McBride and Roy Haynes!)
Herbie Hancock's The Imagine Project (with Lionel Loueke, Greg Phillinganes, Tal Wilkenfeld and Vinnie Colaiuta)
Sonny Rollins
Pat Metheny Group (a quartet with Lyle Mays, Steve Rodby and Antonio Sanchez)
Marcus Miller's TUTU revisited
Joshua Redman Double Trio
Ornette Coleman Quartet: This Is Our Music Now! (with Charlie Haden and Joshua Redman)
Ornette Coleman Quartet (with two bassists plus Denardo Coleman on drums)
Ornette Coleman Quartet meets Bachir Attar & The Master Musicians Of Jajouka and James Blood Ulmer (yes, Ornette plays with a different lineup on each day of the festival)
Lee Konitz Quintet
Kenny Barron Trio + David Sanchez
Dave Holland y Pepe Habichuela Flamenco Project
Mike Stern Group (with Randy Brecker and Dave Weckl!)
Richard Bona
Jaga Jazzist
Eivind Aarset Sonic Codex Orchestra
Bob Brookmeyer New Art Orchestra
"New York State of Mind": The Metropole Orchestra conducted by Vince Mendoza with Lee Konitz, David Binney, Eric Alexander, Chris Potter, Michael Attias, Clifton Anderson, Christian Scott & Jason Moran
And hose are just the jazz/fusion guys that I'm (somewhat) familiar with, there's lots more!
There's also Joe Bonamassa, Elvis Costello & The Sugarcanes, Randy Crawford with the Joe Sample Trio, Norah Jones, Katie Melua, Dee Dee Bridgewater, Diana Krall, Joss Stone, Tower of Power, Earth, Wind & Fire and Stevie Wonder, too...
Sheeeeet
Saw most of it on tv.
Pretty damn great.....
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In the middle of an insane jazz phase.
Recent purchases:
Shakti - Natural Elements
Miles Davis - Round About Midnight
Miles Davis - Milestones
Miles Davis - Miles Ahead
Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess
Miles Davis - '58 Sessions
Keith Jarrett - Facing You
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Miles Davis - A Tribute to Jack Johnson
John Coltrane - My Favourite Things
John Coltrane - Ascension
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters
Shakti - Shakti with John McLaughlin
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I've been really wanting to go to a Jazz Club somewhere by my house. Can't really find any though.
Checking out Miles Davis now. :tup
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Pat Metheny
DO IT
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Here's what I've got recently ---
Andrew Hill - Point Of Departure
Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus
Duke Ellington - Money Jungle
Grant Green - Idle Moments (I especially love this shit because Grant Green is a guitarist while being band-leader)
Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles
John Coltrane - Impressions
- Ascension
- Meditations
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Max Roach - We Insist! Max Roach's - Freedom Now Suite
McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy
Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain
- Miles Smiles
Oliver Nelson - The Blues And The Abstract Truth
Philip Cohran - Philip Cohran With The Artistic Heritage Ensemble (it's apparently called On The Beach)
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Rip, Rig & Panic
Thelonius Monk - Thelonius Monk With John Coltrane
- Monk's Dream
- Straight, No Chaser
Wayne Shorter - JuJu
- Speak No Evil
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Pat Metheny
DO IT
Yeah, Pat is a must. And if your into more electric fusion, definitely check out Gambale and Holdsworth.
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Well if Jazz Fusion counts in here, I also got Love Devotion Surrender by Carlos Santana and Mahavishnu John McLaughlin.
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McLaughlin is excellent. Al Di Meola is amazing too.
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Anybody with Netflix should really start checking out the Jazz Icons series. 1 disk per artist, one or two concerts per disk, pro-shot and excellent quality. Thankfully, the Europeans really dug jazz and didn't have America's issues with black folk, so they recorded and broadcast tons of shows from the 50s-70s. Thanks to them we can actually watch some of these people do their thing back in their primes. Here's the listings:
Vol 1
• Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers • Live in '58
• Dizzy Gillespie • Live in '58 & '70
• Louis Armstrong • Live in '59
• Quincy Jones • Live in '60
• Thelonious Monk • Live in '66
• Buddy Rich • Live in '78
• Ella Fitzgerald • Live in '57 & '63
• Count Basie • Live in '62
• Chet Baker • Live in '64 & '79
Vol 2
• John Coltrane • Live in '60, '61 & '65
• Dave Brubeck • Live in '64 & '66
• Duke Ellington • Live in '58
• Sarah Vaughan • Live in '58 & '64
• Dexter Gordon • Live in '63 &'64
• Wes Montgomery • Live in '65
• Charles Mingus • Live in '64
Vol 3
• Sonny Rollins • Live in '65 & '68
• Cannonball Adderley • Live in '63
• Bill Evans • Live '64-'75
• Rahsaan Roland Kirk • Live in '63 & '67
• Lionel Hampton • Live in '58
• Oscar Peterson • Live in '63, '64 & '65
• Nina Simone • Live in '65 & '68
Vol 4
• Jimmy Smith • Live in '69
• Coleman Hawkins • Live in '62 & '64
• Art Farmer • Live in '64
• Erroll Garner • Live in '63 & '64
• Woody Herman • Live in '64
• Art Blakey • Live in '65
• Anita O'Day • Live in '63 & '70
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Saw Sonny Rollins live last year - what a fantastic saxophonist. Used to play some of his tunes with my old jazz band (i played baritone/alto sax).
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Here's what I've got recently ---
Andrew Hill - Point Of Departure
Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus
Duke Ellington - Money Jungle
Grant Green - Idle Moments (I especially love this shit because Grant Green is a guitarist while being band-leader)
Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles
John Coltrane - Impressions
- Ascension
- Meditations
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Max Roach - We Insist! Max Roach's - Freedom Now Suite
McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy
Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain
- Miles Smiles
Oliver Nelson - The Blues And The Abstract Truth
Philip Cohran - Philip Cohran With The Artistic Heritage Ensemble (it's apparently called On The Beach)
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Rip, Rig & Panic
Thelonius Monk - Thelonius Monk With John Coltrane
- Monk's Dream
- Straight, No Chaser
Wayne Shorter - JuJu
- Speak No Evil
Every album here except for the Philip Cochran is on my to-check-out list. Oh, and Empyrean Isles and Sketches of Spain, cos I have them.
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Here's what I've got recently ---
Andrew Hill - Point Of Departure
Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus
Duke Ellington - Money Jungle
Grant Green - Idle Moments (I especially love this shit because Grant Green is a guitarist while being band-leader)
Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles
John Coltrane - Impressions
- Ascension
- Meditations
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Max Roach - We Insist! Max Roach's - Freedom Now Suite
McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy
Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain
- Miles Smiles
Oliver Nelson - The Blues And The Abstract Truth
Philip Cohran - Philip Cohran With The Artistic Heritage Ensemble (it's apparently called On The Beach)
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Rip, Rig & Panic
Thelonius Monk - Thelonius Monk With John Coltrane
- Monk's Dream
- Straight, No Chaser
Wayne Shorter - JuJu
- Speak No Evil
That's a truly excellent list! :D
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BLUE TRAIN, STOP KICKING ASS
no u.
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Here's what I've got recently ---
Andrew Hill - Point Of Departure
Charles Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus
Duke Ellington - Money Jungle
Grant Green - Idle Moments (I especially love this shit because Grant Green is a guitarist while being band-leader)
Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles
John Coltrane - Impressions
- Ascension
- Meditations
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Max Roach - We Insist! Max Roach's - Freedom Now Suite
McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy
Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain
- Miles Smiles
Oliver Nelson - The Blues And The Abstract Truth
Philip Cohran - Philip Cohran With The Artistic Heritage Ensemble (it's apparently called On The Beach)
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Rip, Rig & Panic
Thelonius Monk - Thelonius Monk With John Coltrane
- Monk's Dream
- Straight, No Chaser
Wayne Shorter - JuJu
- Speak No Evil
Every album here except for the Philip Cochran is on my to-check-out list. Oh, and Empyrean Isles and Sketches of Spain, cos I have them.
I think you should get Philip Cohran. I haven't heard it since I got it, but I "CAN" assure you that you will be at least interested when you put on the first track. That's my only spoiler. XD
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I just recorded a shortened interpretation of Dave Brubeck's Take Five. I used the drum track from the original song, but everything else was recorded and played by myself. Check it out!
https://www.myspace.com/michaelscardamaglia/music/songs/Scard-Takes-Five-76968706
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I just recorded a shortened interpretation of Dave Brubeck's Take Five. I used the drum track from the original song, but everything else was recorded and played by myself. Check it out!
https://www.myspace.com/michaelscardamaglia/music/songs/Scard-Takes-Five-76968706
Nice man :tup enjoyed it.
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Just wanted to come in here and say that I love Bossa Nova.
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Just wanted to come in here and say that I love Bossa Nova.
Fuck yeah bro. Bossa Nova is THE SHIT! Every now and then, my teacher will bust out some BN riff and everyone will go WOAH DUDE WHAT WAS THAT? Great for entertaining others too.
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Mahavishnu Orchestra is the best them.
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I recently got a Mahavishnu record :D
Also just bought an album from an awesome local sax player, Peter Sommer.
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I recently got a Mahavishnu record :D
Which ones? Did you enjoy it? :o
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Well, I recently got one record, Visions of the Emerald Beyond, but I've had Birds of Fire and Inner-Mounting Flame for a while on CD... and they're all awesome.
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The only Mahavishnu I have is Apocalypse, and I wasn't so keen. But I have two albums of his with Shakti, and they're both really good.
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Miles Davis anyone?
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The only Mahavishnu I have is Apocalypse, and I wasn't so keen. But I have two albums of his with Shakti, and they're both really good.
Try Birds of Fire. It's their best IMO.
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Yeah, I need to try some other albums at some point.
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I do enjoy jazz a lot, and I have a lot of the 'obvious' albums, but I'm really not hugely literate in it past the better known artists/albums.
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The only Mahavishnu I have is Apocalypse, and I wasn't so keen. But I have two albums of his with Shakti, and they're both really good.
Try Birds of Fire. It's their best IMO.
John McLaughlin ftw
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I do enjoy jazz a lot, and I have a lot of the 'obvious' albums, but I'm really not hugely literate in it past the better known artists/albums.
I still don't have too much jazz, but my collection's growing with time, and I've studied lists and so on of the genre for so long that I can walk into a record store and immediately identify the albums normally considered classics by name. And really, once you peek below the surface of the short list of albums that people who just go for a sprinkling of jazz listen to, there are tons of albums that are very highly regarded.
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I do enjoy jazz a lot, and I have a lot of the 'obvious' albums, but I'm really not hugely literate in it past the better known artists/albums.
I still don't have too much jazz, but my collection's growing with time, and I've studied lists and so on of the genre for so long that I can walk into a record store and immediately identify the albums normally considered classics by name. And really, once you peek below the surface of the short list of albums that people who just go for a sprinkling of jazz listen to, there are tons of albums that are very highly regarded.
Yeah, I suppose some online research is needed soon. It's the most daunting genre to get into by far though which is why I often start to look but then get put off. :lol
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Miles Davis anyone?
Hells yes I love me some Davis!
Birth Of The Cool
Sketches Of Spain
Miles Smiles
In A Silent Way
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Bitches Brew :heart
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I didn't mention Kind Of Blue nor Bitches Brew because they're the obvious picks everyone loves, just like me.
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Currently in process of burning my stepdad's jazz vinyl collection (consisting pretty much all the jazz I've listened to) onto computer. Mammoth Spyra Gyra listening sessions on the way!
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Miles Davis anyone?
Hells yes I love me some Davis!
Birth Of The Cool
Sketches Of Spain
Miles Smiles
In A Silent Way
:laugh: I knew I liked you.
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Miles Davis anyone?
Hells yes I love me some Davis!
Birth Of The Cool
Sketches Of Spain
Miles Smiles
In A Silent Way
:laugh: I knew I liked you.
You'd like Horace Silver too :tup and if you can be bothered, check out his Song For My Father album
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Checked it out; I now love you even more. :heart
EVEN MORE
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Checked it out; I now love you even more. :heart
EVEN MORE
:D
I really wanted to learn the first song (Song For My Father) on guitar, but I didn't get around to that yet. It's a fantastic piece of jazz work.
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Right now I'm listening to Lee and Freddie go back and forth :heart
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Just listened to Headhunters for the first time. Wasn't really what I was expecting.
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Checked it out; I now love you even more. :heart
EVEN MORE
:D
I really wanted to learn the first song (Song For My Father) on guitar, but I didn't get around to that yet. It's a fantastic piece of jazz work.
That'd be really awesome if you could!
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Just listened to Headhunters for the first time. Wasn't really what I was expecting.
In a good way? Because I :heart that album.
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Well, not in a terrible way. It was just very light (though reading up on the album on wikipedia, this is exactly what HH was going for). Not overly jazzy at all. I was expecting it all to be more like Sly. I won't say more til I've given it some more listens though.
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Everyone should check out Antibalas' Filibuster. It's great album.
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i love almost all types of jazz. recent favorites have been Victor Wooten's solo albums, Squarepusher, Five Peace Band, Richard Bona, Vital Tech Tones, and Jaga Jazzist
nothing traditional, or acoustic. just havent been in the mood.
would it be appropriate to start a jazz-rock/jazz-fusion thread? there is so much out there that a whole new thread could support it.
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No this thread should be more massive :laugh: so post it all in here!
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No this thread should be more massive :laugh: so post it all in here!
haha very well. i remember the jazz thread on prog archives reached like 35 pages or something like that. And that thread died like 2 years ago. it just became people posting album covers of their favorite albums after a while.
i wont do that, but for those of you who like fusion like i do; id like to show you guys a bassist i found out about when i was new to jazz way back in 2005. His name is Steve Jenkins
https://www.stevejenkinsbass.com/fr_home.cfm (https://www.stevejenkinsbass.com/fr_home.cfm)
go to 'audio' and listen to "zeta riticuli"
he has another song called "watch where you point that thing" from the same album, which is even cooler, but it's not available to stream :-[
i recommend getting his album "Mad Science". It's one of the best modern jazz-fusion albums of this decade, and there's a sick cover of Herbie Hancock's "Actual Proof" at the end (IMO, a better and funkier version that HH's original)
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We should get PlaysLikeMyung to add something like "(including Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock)" at the end of the thread title.
No this thread should be more massive :laugh: so post it all in here!
haha very well. i remember the jazz thread on prog archives reached like 35 pages or something like that. And that thread died like 2 years ago. it just became people posting album covers of their favorite albums after a while.
i wont do that, but for those of you who like fusion like i do; id like to show you guys a bassist i found out about when i was new to jazz way back in 2005. His name is Steve Jenkins
https://www.stevejenkinsbass.com/fr_home.cfm (https://www.stevejenkinsbass.com/fr_home.cfm)
go to 'audio' and listen to "zeta riticuli"
he has another song called "watch where you point that thing" from the same album, which is even cooler, but it's not available to stream :-[
i recommend getting his album "Mad Science". It's one of the best modern jazz-fusion albums of this decade, and there's a sick cover of Herbie Hancock's "Actual Proof" at the end (IMO, a better and funkier version that HH's original)
This guy's quite a gun. But damn it, I can't find Mad Science anywhere online. Every now and then I like me some JFusion.
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We should get PlaysLikeMyung to add something like "(including Jazz Fusion/Jazz Rock)" at the end of the thread title.
No this thread should be more massive :laugh: so post it all in here!
haha very well. i remember the jazz thread on prog archives reached like 35 pages or something like that. And that thread died like 2 years ago. it just became people posting album covers of their favorite albums after a while.
i wont do that, but for those of you who like fusion like i do; id like to show you guys a bassist i found out about when i was new to jazz way back in 2005. His name is Steve Jenkins
https://www.stevejenkinsbass.com/fr_home.cfm (https://www.stevejenkinsbass.com/fr_home.cfm)
go to 'audio' and listen to "zeta riticuli"
he has another song called "watch where you point that thing" from the same album, which is even cooler, but it's not available to stream :-[
i recommend getting his album "Mad Science". It's one of the best modern jazz-fusion albums of this decade, and there's a sick cover of Herbie Hancock's "Actual Proof" at the end (IMO, a better and funkier version that HH's original)
This guy's quite a gun. But damn it, I can't find Mad Science anywhere online. Every now and then I like me some JFusion.
you can get it through his website, or iTunes, i believe. i would get if i were you.
"orange" is also a great track, very 70s-ish feeling with the instruments, but it reminds me of being on a college campus in 2005/2006
i agree, the thread title should be ammended. But then who knows who's gonna complain. "what about bebop, cool, swing, or avant-jazz, or whatever...
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Well jazz in general means all kinds of it, whereas jazz rock and jazz fusion are a bit different as a whole.
But whoa man, Orange reminds me of something from Santana's Caravanserai which obviously feels 70s like you said. And I just don't want the song, I want the whole album dude :(.
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Well jazz in general means all kinds of it, whereas jazz rock and jazz fusion are a bit different as a whole.
But whoa man, Orange reminds me of something from Santana's Caravanserai which obviously feels 70s like you said. And I just don't want the song, I want the whole album dude :(.
can you not use iTunes? or order through his website? (if you wanted a hard copy)
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Well jazz in general means all kinds of it, whereas jazz rock and jazz fusion are a bit different as a whole.
But whoa man, Orange reminds me of something from Santana's Caravanserai which obviously feels 70s like you said. And I just don't want the song, I want the whole album dude :(.
can you not use iTunes? or order through his website? (if you wanted a hard copy)
Which bitrate is it in? I'll get it in MP3 if it's higher than 192 maybe.
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Well jazz in general means all kinds of it, whereas jazz rock and jazz fusion are a bit different as a whole.
But whoa man, Orange reminds me of something from Santana's Caravanserai which obviously feels 70s like you said. And I just don't want the song, I want the whole album dude :(.
can you not use iTunes? or order through his website? (if you wanted a hard copy)
Which bitrate is it in? I'll get it in MP3 if it's higher than 192 maybe.
Pretty much everything iTunes sells is in 256 AAC.
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Well jazz in general means all kinds of it, whereas jazz rock and jazz fusion are a bit different as a whole.
But whoa man, Orange reminds me of something from Santana's Caravanserai which obviously feels 70s like you said. And I just don't want the song, I want the whole album dude :(.
can you not use iTunes? or order through his website? (if you wanted a hard copy)
Which bitrate is it in? I'll get it in MP3 if it's higher than 192 maybe.
Pretty much everything iTunes sells is in 256 AAC.
I was looking over here https://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevejenkins
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Well jazz in general means all kinds of it, whereas jazz rock and jazz fusion are a bit different as a whole.
But whoa man, Orange reminds me of something from Santana's Caravanserai which obviously feels 70s like you said. And I just don't want the song, I want the whole album dude :(.
can you not use iTunes? or order through his website? (if you wanted a hard copy)
Which bitrate is it in? I'll get it in MP3 if it's higher than 192 maybe.
Pretty much everything iTunes sells is in 256 AAC.
I was looking over here https://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevejenkins
EDIT: my whole post got messed up
anyway...
i got mine off itunes, and its just like MetalManiac said. Excellent quality.
CDBaby is a great too of course
btw, what is it about jazz-fusion, that instantly hits you? it's like, you know its awesome from the get-go, probably because of serious bass, or a great groove. It's not that its catchy or anything, but the only word i can think of is, Bumpin' :loser:
and im talking tracks like RTF - "Sorceress", Herbie Hancock - "Palm Grease", Victor Wooten - "HipBop", etc...
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Well jazz in general means all kinds of it, whereas jazz rock and jazz fusion are a bit different as a whole.
But whoa man, Orange reminds me of something from Santana's Caravanserai which obviously feels 70s like you said. And I just don't want the song, I want the whole album dude :(.
can you not use iTunes? or order through his website? (if you wanted a hard copy)
Which bitrate is it in? I'll get it in MP3 if it's higher than 192 maybe.
Pretty much everything iTunes sells is in 256 AAC.
I was looking over here https://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevejenkins
EDIT: my whole post got messed up
anyway...
i got mine off itunes, and its just like MetalManiac said. Excellent quality.
CDBaby is a great too of course
btw, what is it about jazz-fusion, that instantly hits you? it's like, you know its awesome from the get-go, probably because of serious bass, or a great groove. It's not that its catchy or anything, but the only word i can think of is, Bumpin' :loser:
and im talking tracks like RTF - "Sorceress", Herbie Hancock - "Palm Grease", Victor Wooten - "HipBop", etc...
I don't know man. I really like the grooving and funky essence in it. I'm not big on jazz fusion, but after hearing Zappa's Hot Rats again today, I like how it makes you feel like "a cool motherfucker". The guitar soloing sounds so great because it reminds me of psychedelic stuff too, I'm gonna try improvising in that style tonight. I'll be plugging in my uni-vibe effect on my shitty Boss V-Wah, but also using my VOX Classic wah wah with it so I can trip the fuck out in my mind and enjoy what I hear. Powerful sound can you knock you the fuck out. It's just fucking cool. :D :laugh:
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Negroni's Trio
everything I hear from this band is excellent. Their drummer, well, he's amazing, simply put. But he's a Jazz drummer, so go figure.
I seriously may start to go apeshit over this band soon, damn.
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Negroni's Trio
everything I hear from this band is excellent. Their drummer, well, he's amazing, simply put. But he's a Jazz drummer, so go figure.
I seriously may start to go apeshit over this band soon, damn.
got any youtube clips? samples? what do you recommend?
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I have a (possibly stupid) question.
How are jazz musicians paid? Are they paid a percentage of sales of the album, or a lump sum for the studio session? Does the band leader get more because he's the leader, and his name's on the cover?
The reason I ask is that often, cuts from one studio session are (or at least were) used on a whole series of albums, sometimes mixed with other sessions on the same album, so to me, it would make more sense that the label releasing the music just pays the musicians per session rather than per albums sold on which that musician appears. Not to mention cases like, for example, Bag's Groove, the Miles Davis album where Monk appears on one track.
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I have a (possibly stupid) question.
How are jazz musicians paid? Are they paid a percentage of sales of the album, or a lump sum for the studio session? Does the band leader get more because he's the leader, and his name's on the cover?
The reason I ask is that often, cuts from one studio session are (or at least were) used on a whole series of albums, sometimes mixed with other sessions on the same album, so to me, it would make more sense that the label releasing the music just pays the musicians per session rather than per albums sold on which that musician appears. Not to mention cases like, for example, Bag's Groove, the Miles Davis album where Monk appears on one track.
i dont know how it is nowadays, but i believe back in the 40s, 50s and 60s, that the musicians were paid per session. Perhaps record sales too, depending on how many copies were sold. but i dont know how it works now.
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Negroni's Trio
everything I hear from this band is excellent. Their drummer, well, he's amazing, simply put. But he's a Jazz drummer, so go figure.
I seriously may start to go apeshit over this band soon, damn.
got any youtube clips? samples? what do you recommend?
go 34 seconds-in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2adbrxNUD8
there's more clips on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=negroni%27s+trio&aq=f
I just checked out their new album "Just Three" today, and there's some really great work on it, maybe the 8 minute closing track "Sabado en la Noche"
I have got to checkout their back catalog soon, including 1 record being a live album.
https://www.negronistrio.com
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I have a (possibly stupid) question.
How are jazz musicians paid? Are they paid a percentage of sales of the album, or a lump sum for the studio session? Does the band leader get more because he's the leader, and his name's on the cover?
The reason I ask is that often, cuts from one studio session are (or at least were) used on a whole series of albums, sometimes mixed with other sessions on the same album, so to me, it would make more sense that the label releasing the music just pays the musicians per session rather than per albums sold on which that musician appears. Not to mention cases like, for example, Bag's Groove, the Miles Davis album where Monk appears on one track.
This is a good question. I have no idea and would like to know. I'm not sure if it's still a "by-session" thing...
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I'm going to guess back then that the record labels made most of the money as far as record sales and royalties are concerned.
Don't know if this qualifies here, but I just had a chance this weekend to listen to the Greg Howe, Victor Wooten, Dennis Chambers album Extraction I bought a while back.
I thought it was pretty good, but somehow I was expecting more.
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John Patitucci played with the big band at my former university last night. Pretty awesome to see him, even if some of the band was eh.
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Okay, notes on the jazz albums I've bought recently, in vague order of preference:
Shakti - Shakti with John McLaughlin - this was one of those very rare albums which, right from the first listen, felt destined to become one of my favourite albums. I can see this getting very high in my rankings. One of the best jazz albums I've ever heard (if you can even call it jazz), and probably one of the best albums I've ever heard overall.
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch - love it. Quirky and interesting. Has both Freddie Hubbard and Tony Williams, my favourite jazz trumpet player and drummer, and also has the bass player from Van Morrison's Astral Weeks.
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters - very cool album. It was a bit different to what I expected at first, but once I got used to how grounded it was, I really started enjoying it. The first three tracks are all brilliant, though the fourth does little for me at this stage.
Shakti - Natural Elements - amazing album. Strongly Indian influenced music, which, if anyone pays much attention, is very much my thing.
Miles Davis - Milestones - considering this comes between Round About Midnight and Kind of Blue, it's a surprisingly fast, hard jazz album. I've only given this a few listens, but there's a lot of variety on the album, and it sounds very good.
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage - I'm not as keen on this album as I was Empyrean Isles, but since that's one of my favourite jazz albums, that's not the biggest deal. Quite a good album. Maiden Voyage and Little One are awesome tracks, and Survival of the Fittest is pretty great too.
John Coltrane - My Favourite Things - like I did with Giant Steps, I've been umming and aahing on this. I still need to give it some more time, but I don't like it anywhere near as much as Blue Train and ALS at the moment. For a start, the title track feels a little tacky to me. After that, I really like the second track, but I have the same problem with the third and fourth tracks that I had with some of Giant Steps: while good, the soloing feels a bit too focussed on technicality and not enough on listenability for my tastes. However, both are growing on me, so we'll see how it goes. I can see myself growing a bit closer to this album than to Giant Steps in the long run.
Miles Davis - Round About Midnight - considering this is hyped as an early classic, I was hugely disappointed. Still quite a good album, but very sleepy, especially since it carries the tag of hard-bop, and try as I might, I just can't get into muted trumpet very much.
Keith Jarrett - Facing You - like RAM for Miles, this album is labelled an early classic of Jarrett's, but it's fairly dull. A few very good tracks, but overall, this album has almost none of the brilliance of his solo concerts.
I also have these albums which I'm still yet to listen to (I like to give albums a bit of time to breathe as new purchases before I move on to others):
Miles Davis - Miles Ahead
Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess
Miles Davis – 1958 Miles
Miles Davis - A Tribute to Jack Johnson
John Coltrane – Ascension
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers – A Night in Tunisia
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Fluffy I've got through most of the Miles Davis you recommended me thus far, which was great because my mum had a lot of it on vinyl! It's all sort of massed together in my mind at the minute, but Bitches' Brew is probably my favourite, even over Kind Of Blue now. I'll listen to all of them more for a while and then move on to your next recommendations, thanks very much for this list as it's making jazz less daunting (although still easily the most daunting genre :lol)
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Sweet. I still haven't heard everything on that list myself (I mean from the Miles but obviously in general too, there's a lot of stuff on there).
The weird thing is, although all things indicate that I like Miles' later fusion/funk stuff far more than his early stuff, I've heard much more early Miles than late. It's just ended up that way so far, I've stumbled across a lot of his earlier albums for very cheap.
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Okay, notes on the jazz albums I've bought recently, in vague order of preference:
Shakti - Shakti with John McLaughlin - this was one of those very rare albums which, right from the first listen, felt destined to become one of my favourite albums. I can see this getting very high in my rankings. One of the best jazz albums I've ever heard (if you can even call it jazz), and probably one of the best albums I've ever heard overall.
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch - love it. Quirky and interesting. Has both Freddie Hubbard and Tony Williams, my favourite jazz trumpet player and drummer, and also has the bass player from Van Morrison's Astral Weeks.
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters - very cool album. It was a bit different to what I expected at first, but once I got used to how grounded it was, I really started enjoying it. The first three tracks are all brilliant, though the fourth does little for me at this stage.
Shakti - Natural Elements - amazing album. Strongly Indian influenced music, which, if anyone pays much attention, is very much my thing.
Miles Davis - Milestones - considering this comes between Round About Midnight and Kind of Blue, it's a surprisingly fast, hard jazz album. I've only given this a few listens, but there's a lot of variety on the album, and it sounds very good.
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage - I'm not as keen on this album as I was Empyrean Isles, but since that's one of my favourite jazz albums, that's not the biggest deal. Quite a good album. Maiden Voyage and Little One are awesome tracks, and Survival of the Fittest is pretty great too.
John Coltrane - My Favourite Things - like I did with Giant Steps, I've been umming and aahing on this. I still need to give it some more time, but I don't like it anywhere near as much as Blue Train and ALS at the moment. For a start, the title track feels a little tacky to me. After that, I really like the second track, but I have the same problem with the third and fourth tracks that I had with some of Giant Steps: while good, the soloing feels a bit too focussed on technicality and not enough on listenability for my tastes. However, both are growing on me, so we'll see how it goes. I can see myself growing a bit closer to this album than to Giant Steps in the long run.
Miles Davis - Round About Midnight - considering this is hyped as an early classic, I was hugely disappointed. Still quite a good album, but very sleepy, especially since it carries the tag of hard-bop, and try as I might, I just can't get into muted trumpet very much.
Keith Jarrett - Facing You - like RAM for Miles, this album is labelled an early classic of Jarrett's, but it's fairly dull. A few very good tracks, but overall, this album has almost none of the brilliance of his solo concerts.
I also have these albums which I'm still yet to listen to (I like to give albums a bit of time to breathe as new purchases before I move on to others):
Miles Davis - Miles Ahead
Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess
Miles Davis – 1958 Miles
Miles Davis - A Tribute to Jack Johnson
John Coltrane – Ascension
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers – A Night in Tunisia
these are all fine albums. my favorites that youve heard would be Shatki - with JMcL, Headhunters (do get the follow-up, Thrust, the better album of the 2), and Maiden Voyage. My favorites of the ones you havent heard are Miles Ahead, A Tribute to Jack Johnson, Ascension (a little hard to get into, but well worth it), and A Night in Tunisia. all great albums!
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I still need A Tribute To Jack Johnson and Porgy & Bess.
Fluffy, you will like Ascension if loud or noisy jazz is one of your thing.
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Keith Jarrett - Facing You - like RAM for Miles, this album is labelled an early classic of Jarrett's, but it's fairly dull. A few very good tracks, but overall, this album has almost none of the brilliance of his solo concerts.
I know what you mean. I think "Invocations - The Moth and the Flame" is his best studio album. Still, the solo concerts are where he really shines.
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(do get the follow-up, Thrust, the better album of the 2)
Yeah, I had this in mind. I may go backwards and try out the albums before it first, even though I've heard they're very different. But I really like HH, so I'll be looking into a lot of his stuff.
Fluffy, you will like Ascension if loud or noisy jazz is one of your thing.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Ascension, but I wanted to give My Favorite Things a bit of time first. Plus, from what I've read, it might be a good idea to get Coleman's Free Jazz and check that out first.
I think "Invocations - The Moth and the Flame" is his best studio album.
I'll have to remember this. I know vaguely where to head with his live solo stuff and his quartets, but his studio stuff is difficult.
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Fluffy, you will like Ascension if loud or noisy jazz is one of your thing.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Ascension, but I wanted to give My Favorite Things a bit of time first. Plus, from what I've read, it might be a good idea to get Coleman's Free Jazz and check that out first.
I should've picked up Free Jazz. Damn... Now it's on my mind and I will get it ASAP. (which is like early next week unfortunately)
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I know this is as mainstream as it gets, but I'm getting into Bitches' Brew now on Fluffy's and other recommendations and JESUS CHRIST, it's superb. And incredibly atmospheric. My only complaint is that it's so long and I feel I have to listen to it in one go it's hard to find a quiet 90 minutes to do so.
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So Ken Burns' Jazz is available streaming on Netflix. I think Wynton Marsalis is kind of a douchebag, but I've always wanted to watch this documentary series.
Also, I posted this a few pages back, but it didn't get any replies. I really think you guys would like it, though It's the Frank Vignola Quintet playing their song, "Luke." The playing is out of this world, especially the mandolin player. I guess you could say it's modern gypsy jazz, though I'm not sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvOxcjLu1I&playnext=1&list=PL1FC2A7C3E0A9C55D&index=13
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I know this is as mainstream as it gets, but I'm getting into Bitches' Brew now on Fluffy's and other recommendations and JESUS CHRIST, it's superb. And incredibly atmospheric. My only complaint is that it's so long and I feel I have to listen to it in one go it's hard to find a quiet 90 minutes to do so.
Who cares, the mainstream stuff is the stuff you need first and most of it is better than lesser known. At least in jazz as far as I'm concerned.
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I'd say that's the case with pretty much all music. It's just as silly to dismiss the mainstream classics as it is the lesser known artists and albums.
Bitches Brew is yummy.
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Posting once again to say how much of a god Pat Metheny is.
He can make one hell of an album all by himself (Orchestrion. A work of art, it is)
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Got paid today, and as much as I maybe shouldn't have, I went straight out and bought Free Jazz.
edit: Aaaaaaaand what the fuck, the CD I bought is defective. The whole thing is just muffled static.
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Posting once again to say how much of a god Pat Metheny is.
He can make one hell of an album all by himself (Orchestrion. A work of art, it is)
:tup
I read somewhere (newsletter I think) that he planned to record another solo album next year. If it's anythng like New Chautauqua or Quiet Night it's going to be great, but then again Pat considers Orchestrion to be a solo record too so you never know. I'm excited.
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Whatever it is it'll probably be gold. He's yet to make a bad album (although I don't care much for Day Trip, to be honest).
Seeing Orchestrion live though was the most unique concert experience I've ever had. I'll never see anything like it again
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Whatever it is it'll probably be gold. He's yet to make a bad album (although I don't care much for Day Trip, to be honest).
Seeing Orchestrion live though was the most unique concert experience I've ever had. I'll never see anything like it again
I also read that there's going to be an Orchestrion concert DVD released in early 2011, I'm eager to see that.
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Got paid today, and as much as I maybe shouldn't have, I went straight out and bought Free Jazz.
edit: Aaaaaaaand what the fuck, the CD I bought is defective. The whole thing is just muffled static.
that sucks. i dont know how it works with returning CDs, but you should try and get another copy.
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Beck's Blow By Blow is great. If anyone enjoys jazz funk or jazz fusion you have to hear it.
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Beck's Blow By Blow is great. If anyone enjoys jazz funk or jazz fusion you have to hear it.
Tyvm. Epic album
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Beck's Blow By Blow is great. If anyone enjoys jazz funk or jazz fusion you have to hear it.
great album. i got burnt out on that album when i first got it. :biggrin: the follow-up 'Wired' is also very good, sometimes, i think, even better than BBB
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Got paid today, and as much as I maybe shouldn't have, I went straight out and bought Free Jazz.
edit: Aaaaaaaand what the fuck, the CD I bought is defective. The whole thing is just muffled static.
that sucks. i dont know how it works with returning CDs, but you should try and get another copy.
The funny thing is, it doesn't play on iTunes, Windows Media Player, or VLC on my laptop (or it does, but just as static), but it plays on my flatmate's laptop and on a CD player fine. So I'll have to try and import it via her laptop.
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I listened to Miles Davis' In Concert -- Live At The Philharmonic In New York last night.
Whenever I listen to live Miles Davis, I always feel it's over before it should be when the disc is done.
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Fluffy, you will like Ascension if loud or noisy jazz is one of your thing.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Ascension, but I wanted to give My Favorite Things a bit of time first. Plus, from what I've read, it might be a good idea to get Coleman's Free Jazz and check that out first.
I should've picked up Free Jazz. Damn... Now it's on my mind and I will get it ASAP. (which is like early next week unfortunately)
I'm listening to it right now, Fluff. Earlier today I only had time for the first take of it which is the bonus track off the CD. Great stuff. I can see how Ascension resembles it. Very inventive for 1960, but it was released in 1961.
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Just listening to it for the second time. This is my first real free jazz album, so I can't really say if I like it at this point. It's interesting. I think the pure density of it, the way everyone is literally playing off of each other, means that you can only really get a proper sense of what you're listening to if you're listening quite carefully, just like they were when they were playing it. And I know you can say that about all music, but this seems like that times ten.
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The more jazz I listen to reinforces the frustrating knowledge I have that most of it goes right over my head. I mean, I love all of the albums Fluffy's recommended me that I've heard so far, but I get the feeling that I'd be hard pressed to tell the great jazz from the good jazz, and the good from the mediocre. Hopefully this is a maturity thing and I'll be a more discerning jazz listener as I get older, but for now free jazz would just go completely over my head. :lol
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At the end of the day, it's still a matter of what you personally prefer. For example, Miles Davis' pre-Kind of Blue quintet are considered to have released nothing but classics. Of the albums of theirs I've heard, I'm lukewarm on Round About Midnight, and I found Steamin' really mediocre, so I won't be checking out any more.
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At the end of the day, it's still a matter of what you personally prefer. For example, Miles Davis' pre-Kind of Blue quintet are considered to have released nothing but classics. Of the albums of theirs I've heard, I'm lukewarm on Round About Midnight, and I found Steamin' really mediocre, so I won't be checking out any more.
On a slightly different note:
the album Time Out by Dave Brubeck.
Essential. Epic.
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I listened to Miles Davis' In Concert -- Live At The Philharmonic In New York last night.
Whenever I listen to live Miles Davis, I always feel it's over before it should be when the disc is done.
the one from '72? that's probably my least favorite of his 70s output; the band just isnt as tight as they usually are (but still great of course)
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you can only really get a proper sense of what you're listening to if you're listening quite carefully
that's how most non-rock/fusion jazz is, which is why a lot of people can appreciate jazz; they dont listen to the music.
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I listened to Miles Davis' In Concert -- Live At The Philharmonic In New York last night.
Whenever I listen to live Miles Davis, I always feel it's over before it should be when the disc is done.
the one from '72? that's probably my least favorite of his 70s output; the band just isnt as tight as they usually are (but still great of course)
Yup, that's the one. Not quite as on as you have said, but there are always good things to enjoy. (I can't keep listening to Bitches Brew all of the time. Must fight the impulse!)
I've always had a soft spot for the post 1964-65 stuff and I tend to gravitate toward that more and try to listen to as much as I can from that era. I also try to balance that with more "popular" pre-65 stuff, but that doesn't quite work out sometimes.
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Just listening to it for the second time. This is my first real free jazz album, so I can't really say if I like it at this point. It's interesting. I think the pure density of it, the way everyone is literally playing off of each other, means that you can only really get a proper sense of what you're listening to if you're listening quite carefully, just like they were when they were playing it. And I know you can say that about all music, but this seems like that times ten.
It has grown on me so far. I listened to it more closely yesterday and it's one of those jazz albums where you have to pay more attention than usual to actually understand what's going on, what its purpose, so on. It's very good basically lol.
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I listened to Miles Davis' In Concert -- Live At The Philharmonic In New York last night.
Whenever I listen to live Miles Davis, I always feel it's over before it should be when the disc is done.
the one from '72? that's probably my least favorite of his 70s output; the band just isnt as tight as they usually are (but still great of course)
Yup, that's the one. Not quite as on as you have said, but there are always good things to enjoy. (I can't keep listening to Bitches Brew all of the time. Must fight the impulse!)
I've always had a soft spot for the post 1964-65 stuff and I tend to gravitate toward that more and try to listen to as much as I can from that era. I also try to balance that with more "popular" pre-65 stuff, but that doesn't quite work out sometimes.
Dark Magus and Live-Evil are where it's at when it comes to that era of early 70s Miles. (and Agartha and Pangea for mid-70s)
as far as pre-fusion Miles, I am keen to the 60s albums prior In A Silent Way, because the music is a little abstract, but also because every album from E.S.P. onwards, slowly leads up to the birth of jazz-rock/fusion only Miles could create. I also enjoy Kind of Blue (who doesnt) and certain 1st Great Quintet albums. Otherwise i am not totally familiar with his pre-59 albums.
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Speaking of In A Silent Way, I just listened to it. I've heard Bitches Brew and that one today, it was awesome!
It's funny. When I first got Silent Way, I didn't know who John McLaughlin, Wayne Shorter, and Joe Zawinul were. It made it better for me once I knew who was on sax and guitar.
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see, i got into all the sidemen and their bands first. RTF, Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Billy Cobham solo, Herbie Hancock, etc, before i listened to any Miles Davis. So when i started checking out his albums, i was blown away with almost every 1967-1975 album, since they play so different on his albums than they did after they branched out on their own.
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I listened to Miles Davis' In Concert -- Live At The Philharmonic In New York last night.
Whenever I listen to live Miles Davis, I always feel it's over before it should be when the disc is done.
the one from '72? that's probably my least favorite of his 70s output; the band just isnt as tight as they usually are (but still great of course)
Yup, that's the one. Not quite as on as you have said, but there are always good things to enjoy. (I can't keep listening to Bitches Brew all of the time. Must fight the impulse!)
I've always had a soft spot for the post 1964-65 stuff and I tend to gravitate toward that more and try to listen to as much as I can from that era. I also try to balance that with more "popular" pre-65 stuff, but that doesn't quite work out sometimes.
Dark Magus and Live-Evil are where it's at when it comes to that era of early 70s Miles. (and Agartha and Pangea for mid-70s)
as far as pre-fusion Miles, I am keen to the 60s albums prior In A Silent Way, because the music is a little abstract, but also because every album from E.S.P. onwards, slowly leads up to the birth of jazz-rock/fusion only Miles could create. I also enjoy Kind of Blue (who doesnt) and certain 1st Great Quintet albums. Otherwise i am not totally familiar with his pre-59 albums.
I love dark Magus and Live-Evil too.
Pre-59 (Other than the obvious Kind Of Blue), I've only got The Birth Of Cool compilation, which I should really play again one of these days to refamiliarize myself with it. There's a bunch of other stuff out there that's pretty easy to get, but I don't know enough about what is considered to be official from back then. I may get there one day, but there is still so much to learn from what I already have.
I probably don't spin those early '60s albums nearly enough either.
My path to Jazz (and Fusion) started with Romantic Warrior in 1986 or so and then Chick Corea and Dave Weckl. Then Jeff Berlin, Jaco and Mahavishnu. It just kind of went on from there.
Strangely, I'm not that fond of a lot of Weather Report, though I seem to be more into the individual musicians that made up the band.
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I've found over time that I kind of under-estimated quite how 'cool' Miles' pre-60s albums were. I dunno why, but before I heard the albums, I always pictured Kind of Blue as this stand-alone softer album, which isn't the case at all. Almost all of the albums he was making, even as far back as Birth of the Cool, seem fairly chilled out. The only ones I've heard or sampled so far which more consistently get a bit louder or have more bounce in them are Milestones and Walkin'.
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I've found over time that I kind of under-estimated quite how 'cool' Miles' pre-60s albums were. I dunno why, but before I heard the albums, I always pictured Kind of Blue as this stand-alone softer album, which isn't the case at all. Almost all of the albums he was making, even as far back as Birth of the Cool, seem fairly chilled out. The only ones I've heard or sampled so far which more consistently get a bit louder or have more bounce in them are Milestones and Walkin'.
I put the Birth Of Cool on a few weeks back (I'm going to force myself to dig into the earlier recordings a little more frequently -- first impulse when I'm thinking Miles is to quickly reach for the fusion) and it was just really great to just chill with it.
Very enjoyable, but for a different reason, especially the live recordings. It's hard to believe it was recorded so long ago, but it doesn't sound as dated as some of the other recordings from that time are. That just amazes me.
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Just bumping to make a few notes:
I've started learning jazz guitar in recent weeks. My teacher started teaching me So What and we got to jam that with our drummer on Friday. The audience loved it. One of the best, well my favourite, vocalist in my class talked to me about that and jazz and she was very wowed and enlightened as to how jazz can sound if it's played right in front of you, you know.. We talked a fair bit about jazz and she doesn't know much about it, just knows it's hard to describe how it feels than other standards of music.
I've been working on a simple arrangement of my own. The Dm7 chord played in swing beat, I think, in the key of Bb. I learnt that chord off So What.
I'm going to be collecting the rest of Coltrane's discography, I feel like I should and want to because he's essential. The genre is of even more relevance to me than it was before because I'm now learning it on my instrument. It's very cool now.
If this thread will bumped regularly, expect it to be bumped by me too.
At the end of the day, it's still a matter of what you personally prefer. For example, Miles Davis' pre-Kind of Blue quintet are considered to have released nothing but classics. Of the albums of theirs I've heard, I'm lukewarm on Round About Midnight, and I found Steamin' really mediocre, so I won't be checking out any more.
On a slightly different note:
the album Time Out by Dave Brubeck.
Essential. Epic.
Incidentally, I put this album on before I looked back into this thread :laugh:. It sounds very nice. Brubeck has a nice groove.
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My recent jazz listens, in order of least to most recently first listened:
Miles Davis - Milestones - One of the best non-fusion Miles albums I've heard so far. Dr Jackle and Billy Boy are both awesome tracks.
Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz - Really warmed to this now, great piece overall.
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - A Night in Tunisia - really nice tuneful hard bop album.
Miles Davis - 1958 Miles - the live tracks are forgettable, as many recordings of live jazz are, IMO, but the studio tracks are nice.
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - Meet You at the Jazz Corner of the World - now here's a live jazz album. Lee Morgan, Wayne Shorter, Bobby Timmons and Art Blakey = holy shit.
John Coltrane - Ascension - incredible album, and will definitely become one of my favourites by Coltrane. Pharoah Sanders' solo is one of the eeriest things I've ever heard done with an instrument.
Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi - have only given this a few listens so far, but it sounds like the sort of album which would get a lot better after quite a few listens, due to it being very spaced out and hard to get your head around early on.
Miles Davis - Miles Ahead, Porgy and Bess - I'm gonna give these albums another listen or two, but I really didn't like either of them on first listen. Both feel far too formulaic, pretty much every track is Miles soloing alone while a big band backs him up.
Miles Davis - A Tribute to Jack Johnson – As I said in the first listens thread, “Considering that this is the studio followup to Bitches Brew, it was a real surprise. Simultaneously in the same vein and yet a completely different album. Whereas BB is very dense and spacey, JJ is much more direct and stripped back. Needs tons more listening before I make a judgment call on it.”
And my upcoming albums:
Miles Davis - Pangaea
Pharoah Sanders - Karma
Pharoah Sanders - Black Unity
Herbie Hancock - Crossings
Shakti - A Handful of Beauty
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My recent listens include:
Trane - A Love Supreme
Trane - My Favorite Things (title track got many spins :D)
Miles Davis - Birth of the Cool
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Lately, I've been listening to Pharoah Sander. Got Jewels of Thought and Summun Bukmun Umyun ealier this year and they're already among my favorite albums ever.
Also got Coltrane's Interstellar Space, which is amazing as well.
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Oh, I also got to play with Nils Landgren this weekend. He's off the Nils Landgren Funk Unit.
It was epic.
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My recent jazz listens, in order of least to most recently first listened:
Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz - Really warmed to this now, great piece overall.
John Coltrane - Ascension - incredible album, and will definitely become one of my favourites by Coltrane. Pharoah Sanders' solo is one of the eeriest things I've ever heard done with an instrument.
And my upcoming albums:
Pharoah Sanders - Karma
Fantastic albums there! The ones I cut out in the quote I don't have, or haven't heard of the name yet. I've only heard Karma once but it was really nice and different.
My recent listens include:
Trane - A Love Supreme
Trane - My Favorite Things (title track got many spins :D)
Miles Davis - Birth of the Cool
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Fantastic albums, obviously. :laugh:
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I just got the debut Coltrane album, Coltrane (aka: First Trane) and that will be on soon. I'm gonna hear Thelonius Monk With John Coltrane first though. Quite excited!
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Trane - My Favorite Things (title track got many spins :D)
I like this album, but I can't really get into the title track. I guess I associate it too strongly with the regular song, which I'm not a fan of. My favourite on that album is his version of Summertime.
Lately, I've been listening to Pharoah Sander. Got Jewels of Thought and Summun Bukmun Umyun ealier this year and they're already among my favorite albums ever.
Also got Coltrane's Interstellar Space, which is amazing as well.
Those will pretty much be the next albums I buy if I like Karma and Black Unity, since I've seen them both for very cheap recently.
And I've heard very good things about Interstellar Space.
I just got the debut Coltrane album, Coltrane (aka: First Trane) and that will be on soon. I'm gonna hear Thelonius Monk With John Coltrane first though. Quite excited!
At this point, I've more or less completely avoided Monk. I bought one of his albums some years ago and it was one of the few jazz albums I've gotten that I didn't like. (This is it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk_(1964_album) ) Haven't looked into him since. I will do eventually though.
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I'm starting to really get into jazz, but my knowledge of it is pretty limited. Charles Mingus is likely my favorite in the genre so far. The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady is one of my favorite albums, and Mingus Ah Um isn't far behind. I also have some work by Bill Evans, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman and Art Blakey, and I love all of it.
Any recommendations? :)
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Just getting in on this thread. Been a big jazz fan for the last 20 years, seen many a show, been to many a club. The last show was Al Di Meola World Sinfonia a couple weeks ago. He has a fantastic new album out today called Pursuit of Radical Rhapsody. It's one of the most complex, melodic, and cohesive albums he's recorded in years. And he's been playing with this particular World Sinfonia band for years and they are super tight. Those familiar with his World Sinfonia stuff will know that he plays mostly acoustic in this context, but on this album he also uses the electric guitar tastefully. Anyway, needless to say, this was one of the best shows I've seen by him. They simply smoked it. And during the second half of the show, he broke out his prism guitar, which was sitting on the edge of the stage like a trophy, and tore up some oldies off Kiss My Axe, Elegant Gipsy, etc. He's on a major U.S. tour at the moment. If you like Al Di Meola, don't miss him on this tour.
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I just got the debut Coltrane album, Coltrane (aka: First Trane) and that will be on soon. I'm gonna hear Thelonius Monk With John Coltrane first though. Quite excited!
At this point, I've more or less completely avoided Monk. I bought one of his albums some years ago and it was one of the few jazz albums I've gotten that I didn't like. (This is it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk_(1964_album) ) Haven't looked into him since. I will do eventually though.
You must try out Straight, No Chaser. I had it on while I was writing one day, I felt like I was in a movie. It was just the mood and the moment I was in that made me really enjoy it.
On previous topic - I listened to Ascension last night. Oh man, what an album! This time I can really take how noisy it gets and understand fully what they were going for there. Sanders solo, as you said, very eerie indeed, but very cool too!
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Anyone who doesn't look into Pat Metheny is a heretic
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Pharoah Sanders' solo is one of the eeriest things I've ever heard done with an instrument.
You MUST MUST MUUUUST hear his solo at the halfway mark of The Father And The Son And The Holy Ghost off Coltrane's Meditations. Holy fucking SHIT!!!
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Hmmm, Meditations was already on my list of albums to buy. Might have to shunt it up.
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You gotta. I'm head over heels for that album. Listened to it today and it clicked for me too.
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John Coltrane - Ascension - incredible album, and will definitely become one of my favourites by Coltrane. Pharoah Sanders' solo is one of the eeriest things I've ever heard done with an instrument.
I've neglected this album for far too long. I think tomorrow is a good time to fix that.
Perhaps I'll follow that with Meditations.....
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^Maybe no better combo in jazz!
Right now, I'm chaining Kind Of Blue into Giant Steps.
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I always feel like I have to be in a very specific mood to listen to Ascension and fully appreciate the whole piece. Which may be why I rarely listen to it, even though it's one of my favorite Coltrane album.
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I listen to the Village Vanguard recordings more than any other Coltrane album. Playing live is where jazz artists shine.
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Listened to Karma today for the first time. Pretty stunning album. I think I will be checking out Jewels of Thought and Deaf Dumb Blind (I can't be bothered looking up the Arabic title) and Meditations quite shortly.
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I think I'll throw on Karma today. I've got Sketches Of Spain on now. Takes a while for the music to pick up, but you gotta understand its purpose, and that is difficult. I love it anyway.
edit: SOS sort of ends abruptly, oh well. 3rd time listen though.
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Bump because I'm listening to The Dave Brubeck Quartet's Time Out again. FUCKING fantastic album! It pretty much explains what jazz is all about if you were to show it to somebody, too.
It is "the" Cool jazz album.
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Anyone who doesn't look into Pat Metheny is a heretic
I got it together this week and checked him out, starting at Bright Size Life and Watercolors. What a spec-TACULAR album BSL is! Not "only" is Pat the star here, but so is Jaco Pastorius on the bass! I wish more bassists will listen to his playing. Next time I spin it, I'll listen in to Pastorius more.
Watercolors is a bit of a hit/miss for me. The solo guitar tracks I didn't like that much compared to the tracks with the band performing. But still, it's Metheny and it didn't stop me from looking for "Pat Metheny Group". Couldn't find it though, must look elsewhere.
Listened to Karma today for the first time. Pretty stunning album. I think I will be checking out Jewels of Thought and Deaf Dumb Blind (I can't be bothered looking up the Arabic title) and Meditations quite shortly.
Remind me to listen to Karma because I said I will, and I didn't that day. Must've forgotten or ran out of time. :\
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Bump because I'm listening to The Dave Brubeck Quartet's Time Out again. FUCKING fantastic album! It pretty much explains what jazz is all about if you were to show it to somebody, too.
It is "the" Cool jazz album.
True words. Blue Rondo is one of the best tunes in world history. I love playing it.
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Don't know that much Jazz sadly, but I love a Swedish band that's partly Jazz, "Bo Kaspers Orkester".
I also know some of the classic John Coltrane songs. ;)
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In order to "know" jazz, you'll need to be launched into it. :D
But that's cool you know some Coltrane. :tup
Bump because I'm listening to The Dave Brubeck Quartet's Time Out again. FUCKING fantastic album! It pretty much explains what jazz is all about if you were to show it to somebody, too.
It is "the" Cool jazz album.
True words. Blue Rondo is one of the best tunes in world history. I love playing it.
Hell yeah. :tup
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Something I've been thinking about recently.
I once played a friend a track from Birth of the Cool and he said it sounded like "standard jazz". My brother said the same thing when I was listening to A Love Supreme. A few weeks ago, I played a friend something from Out to Lunch, a fairly individual jazz album, and even that was "just jazz". Anyone who's into jazz (or really, anyone who took the time to listen to them and think about them) could tell you those three albums are completely different.
Jazz is perhaps just as rich and deep a genre as rock, with a huge series of phases and subgenres evolving over decades, and within them a multitude of artists all with their own playing styles. All of which are fairly well identifiable to someone who already has a bit of knowledge to work with. The problem is, most people don't. Not to mention that in jazz, the distinguishing features between subgenres can be much harder to hear for a relative outsider than with a genre like rock. So most jazz just becomes "just straight/normal/standard jazz". Which in reality doesn't exist, or at least arguably, if it did, you'd be looking at late 50s hard bop, which none of the albums I mentioned above are.
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^Yep, good points. There's more to jazz sounding like it always does, which is mainly good, and what the real purpose for certain kinds were. I've recently developed more understanding in that aspect.
I think, for instance, when I got into Coltrane, I really liked what I heard at the time in Kind Of Blue, Blue Train, Giant Steps, A Love Supreme, and Olé Coltrane, but it wasn't enough to keep me interested for a long time as I of course didn't have a developed understanding of the music. I just knew it sounded great and I was new to it.
Like right now, I'm full swing into a jazz phase. Discovering Coltrane's stuff right from the beginning of his solo career has helped me understand how he developed as a player, and how the music evolved around his time. I found maybe the first track he recorded harmonics on, that was cool to hear.
Then I found the first avant-garde performance of him with Don Cherry, pocket trumpeter, and that was also pretty cool because it was a step in his development as a musician. I'm up to his 1961 stuff now I think, so the rest of his discog is all savoured as I listen to the albums step by step.
So if I heard A Love Supreme right now, I'd "get" it almost right away.
I just listened to Pharoah Sanders' Karma tonight, and it was absolutely beautiful and stunning, like you said. Very emotional and spiritual and inCREDIBLE squealing which makes me think of someone crying/screaming their troubles out, but also feels out of this world. It's unbelievable. I have to hear it again in the next day or two. Orgasm in music for sure.
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I must've listened to Karma about five or six times in the last few days, which I almost never do with an album. Colors seems like a bit of a throwaway, but then The Creator Has a Masterplan is obviously where that album's really at.
I often feel like the lyrics and Eastern yodelling threaten to take it into tacky territory a la a lot of Santana's fusion-era songs that have lyrics, but it manages to pull them off really nicely.
And Sanders' playing is phenomenal. I love how he can go from such a gorgeous lyrical style to dissonant screaming in the same solo and it all makes complete sense. Having said that, his more dissonant side seems relatively restrained on that album, which is probably why it's more accessible and popular than his others. The only part where he really lets loose is in the freer, more chaotic section towards the end (I'd estimate somewhere between 23 and 27 minutes).
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I like most of the vocals and the lyrics. They're very spiritual hehe, and I didn't remember there's a vocalist.
I love how he can go from such a gorgeous lyrical style to dissonant screaming in the same solo and it all makes complete sense.
I agree.
So do you have Miles In The Sky? It was Davis' first album to feature an electric bassist (and probably the first with an electric guitar). I've listened to it a few times over the past few and I really like it. I should check out more Post-Bop, but I'll definitely be picking Miles' Filles de Kilimanjaro as well.
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The Pat Metheny Group is brilliant. I suggest The Way Up. It's a 'concept' album, the concept being that they play with a certain sense of time, in and out, and it keeps coming back to it. It's cut up into Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4. I saw them play it live from start to finish and it was one of the greatest musical experiences of my life.
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Sketches Of Spain. Fuck, it's hard to really know why it's so good! Onto The Pan Piper now.
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My favorite Jazz album is 'Black Earth' by Bohren und der Club of Gore. German ex- black metal band members gone doom jazz. Amazing, soothing, Sin City/Blade Runner-ish. I love it. I hate fast, tonally complex jazz music. Not enjoyable at all.
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going to see Jaga Jazzist on Wednesday :tup
also I'm going to work my way through the stuff in this thread. some of it I've heard but most not.
I need to borrow my stepdad's miles davis vinyls again
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Sketches of Spain is definitely a good album, but I never really fell in love with it. The first track is by far the best of the bunch, and even then, I prefer the actual concerto version.
Miles in the Sky is actually one of my favourite Miles albums I've heard so far. I've heard I think twelve, and I'd probably place it third. Really fun, funky jazz album, really good driving first few tracks, with a bit of weirdness in the latter two to keep it interesting.
I tried Bohren und der Club of Gore, and couldn't get into them at all.
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Something I've been thinking about recently.
I once played a friend a track from Birth of the Cool and he said it sounded like "standard jazz". My brother said the same thing when I was listening to A Love Supreme. A few weeks ago, I played a friend something from Out to Lunch, a fairly individual jazz album, and even that was "just jazz". Anyone who's into jazz (or really, anyone who took the time to listen to them and think about them) could tell you those three albums are completely different.
Jazz is perhaps just as rich and deep a genre as rock, with a huge series of phases and subgenres evolving over decades, and within them a multitude of artists all with their own playing styles. All of which are fairly well identifiable to someone who already has a bit of knowledge to work with. The problem is, most people don't. Not to mention that in jazz, the distinguishing features between subgenres can be much harder to hear for a relative outsider than with a genre like rock. So most jazz just becomes "just straight/normal/standard jazz". Which in reality doesn't exist, or at least arguably, if it did, you'd be looking at late 50s hard bop, which none of the albums I mentioned above are.
Very good point. It's taken me a lot longer to REALLY get jazz than just about anything else. Maybe it's gotten a little easier to get into different things after I have more of a base to work from, but it still seems to take almost the same amount of work.
I pull out Brubeck's Take Five about once a year and keep hoping I get what other people seem to get out of it. I realize the distinction of it being landmark album and I respect that, but I just haven't been able to get much of anything else out of it consistantly.
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Very good point. It's taken me a lot longer to REALLY get jazz than just about anything else. Maybe it's gotten a little easier to get into different things after I have more of a base to work from, but it still seems to take almost the same amount of work.
That's really the trick to getting into jazz (and any genre, I guess), building up a base to work from.
When I first started getting into rock seriously in my early teens, I'd already heard a fair bit, because the fact is, rock is widely popular, and it's everywhere. Even buying my first albums, I could identify Oasis, the Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Chilis, even older bands like the Beatles, Guns N Roses, Led Zeppelin etc. Just from general knowledge, I had a bit of an idea which bands were older than which, what a rock n roll band sounded like, what rock bands from the late 60s/early 70s, the 80s, and the 90s sounded like. How punk and metal sounded different from rock. I think most people would already know a little bit to navigate themselves, and they could identify differences in styles and eras instinctively fairly well.
With jazz, it's almost never gonna be the case. Of course, everyone's heard it, but no-one has any real pre-knowledge, and you can't really pick artists and styles well by ear, unless you have music training, maybe; it's all just spicy, instrumental music played with brass instruments that has a lot of soloing. Beyond that, the extent of your ability to identify different styles is things like separating pre-50s jazz from 50s-and-later jazz by the production, big-band from smaller groups, and quieter, slower jazz from faster, louder jazz. None of which is all that much to go on.
Which is why it all sounds samey, until you spend some time with it, really delve, build up a body of albums, learn about their context, develop an ear for the differences in the subgenres, and get a sense of orientation within the genre as a whole. It's essentially building the foundation you already have for rock from the beginning.
I pull out Brubeck's Take Five about once a year and keep hoping I get what other people seem to get out of it. I realize the distinction of it being landmark album and I respect that, but I just haven't been able to get much of anything else out of it consistantly.
Well, just like any genre, at the end of the day, it's all about your own taste. I wouldn't say it's my one of favourite jazz albums, although I do like it.
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The Pat Metheny Group is brilliant. I suggest The Way Up. It's a 'concept' album, the concept being that they play with a certain sense of time, in and out, and it keeps coming back to it. It's cut up into Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4. I saw them play it live from start to finish and it was one of the greatest musical experiences of my life.
One of my favorite albums ever
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The Pat Metheny Group is brilliant. I suggest The Way Up. It's a 'concept' album, the concept being that they play with a certain sense of time, in and out, and it keeps coming back to it. It's cut up into Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4. I saw them play it live from start to finish and it was one of the greatest musical experiences of my life.
One of my favorite albums ever
You have very good taste. ;D
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I pull out Brubeck's Take Five about once a year and keep hoping I get what other people seem to get out of it. I realize the distinction of it being landmark album and I respect that, but I just haven't been able to get much of anything else out of it consistantly.
The song or the Time Out album?
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Also very good points Fluff, that pretty much explains what it's like to discover genres/new music. Takes lots of time.
Sketches Of Spain was fantastic last night. My teacher suggested I listen to it at least a few more times over the past couple of weeks and it's grown on me for sure. Best listen was last night's for sure. Very spanish sounding and thematic. I wouldn't call it "jazz" as much as big band though.
Bohren's maybe an acquired taste, I only have Black Earth and have heard it maybe once since I got it. Not "that" jazzy as I remember, but it's something else.
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The Pat Metheny Group is brilliant. I suggest The Way Up. It's a 'concept' album, the concept being that they play with a certain sense of time, in and out, and it keeps coming back to it. It's cut up into Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4. I saw them play it live from start to finish and it was one of the greatest musical experiences of my life.
One of my favorite albums ever
You have very good taste. ;D
I gave Orchestrion the prestigious title of Album of the Year 2010
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The Pat Metheny Group is brilliant. I suggest The Way Up. It's a 'concept' album, the concept being that they play with a certain sense of time, in and out, and it keeps coming back to it. It's cut up into Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4. I saw them play it live from start to finish and it was one of the greatest musical experiences of my life.
One of my favorite albums ever
You have very good taste. ;D
I gave Orchestrion the prestigious title of Album of the Year 2010
I regret not going to that show when it hit Portland. I had monetary excuses at the time, but there really was no excuse. I'm an idiot!
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Ahhh.. Nothing gets better than Mingus Ah Um, Miles Smiles, and Free Jazz (the album).
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I pull out Brubeck's Take Five about once a year and keep hoping I get what other people seem to get out of it. I realize the distinction of it being landmark album and I respect that, but I just haven't been able to get much of anything else out of it consistantly.
The song or the Time Out album?
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Also very good points Fluff, that pretty much explains what it's like to discover genres/new music. Takes lots of time.
Sketches Of Spain was fantastic last night. My teacher suggested I listen to it at least a few more times over the past couple of weeks and it's grown on me for sure. Best listen was last night's for sure. Very spanish sounding and thematic. I wouldn't call it "jazz" as much as big band though.
Bohren's maybe an acquired taste, I only have Black Earth and have heard it maybe once since I got it. Not "that" jazzy as I remember, but it's something else.
Indeed, I thought about it, and maybe it isn't even 'Jazz'. Black Earth is also the only thing I know, but I don't find it hard to get into. It's unevenful, which can be nice sometimes.
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^I still feel like listening to it sometime this week or at the start of next week. It's so soundtracky and paints a picture in my head. Not a lot of albums do that.
Bohren have a new album, Beileid, coming out in late April.
I've got Lee Morgan's The Sidewinder on now, it's fantastic.
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That's an album I really wanna hear. I also haven't heard Miles Smiles or Mingus Ah Um.
Listening to Hancock's Mwandishi for the second time today. This album is soooo cool. Very hard to get a firm grip on, as it's VERY spaced out and free jazz-inspired, but a really awesome trip. To me, this album feels in a way like a more faithful continuation of the sound on Bitches Brew than Jack Johnson was. Imagine Miles had delved deeper into the trippier, more ambient side of BB, but also the more primal, tribal, chaotic side, and you have Mwandishi.
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^The Sidewinder ended not long ago, what an album! Do recommend it.
:lol Fuck it, I'll just buy Mwandishi today if it's in the shop. Sounds promising. I read Herbie changed a lot in the 70s too. I'll be putting on Empyrean Isles today as well.
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Miles was never one to stick around to one style for very long. BB is an anomaly in Miles' discography, but a great one at that. The Mwandishi albums take it even further, even approaching electronic music by the time Sextant came around. Eddie Henderson's albums around that time also continue the Mwandishi "tradition" when Herbie was moving to more jazz-funk sound of HH
Listening to "Splendido Hotel" by Al Di Meola right now. Not his best, but some fantastic Spanish-flavored jazz/rock and latin jazz, with a hint of disco in a couple of tracks. 1979 was not the best year for fusion, or jazz in general, but this album ain't bad
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^^^ as much as Bitches Brew is an anomaly, Big Fun is maybe the closest thing to BB's style, though i think BF has its own sound going on, and is even more psychedelic and funky
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Celebration for reaching 8 pages? More jazz will be heard, of course!
I just bought Herbie Hancock's My Point Of View. $8 and features Grachan Moncur III on trombone with Grant Green on guitar. Haven't heard it but I cannot wait!
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Miles was never one to stick around to one style for very long. BB is an anomaly in Miles' discography, but a great one at that.
I've started to realise this over time. The stuff surrounding it is still amazing, but considering it's my one of my five favourite albums, I was hoping to find more music a bit closer to it.
^^^ as much as Bitches Brew is an anomaly, Big Fun is maybe the closest thing to BB's style, though i think BF has its own sound going on, and is even more psychedelic and funky
When it comes to all of those later Miles fusion albums on which he was releasing further material from earlier sessions (Big Fun, Get Up With It, Water Babies, Circle in the Round, Directions), I'm just going to buy the Sessions box sets. That way, I can discover all of the music within the context of the sessions it was written in, and if I want to assemble those albums, I can do that later using the tracks from the sessions. After all, I just looked up the Big Fun track listing, and quite a large amount of it (all but Ife and Go Ahead John) is taken from the Bitches Brew Sessions, which explains it sounding quite a bit like BB.
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I didn't mention I couldn't find Mwandishi at the store today. Oh well. That place sucks. They have essential stuff but then I have all the stuff I need and they don't have the stuff I want. Not even Jackie McLean's Destination... Out!
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I've had the luck that these last few years, while I've been really digging into jazz, I've had stores near me that keep it well-stocked. Last year not quite as much, had to shop around a little bit, but there's an amazing music store here in Bonn, one of the better ones I've ever seen, and it has a five or six metre long jazz section downstairs. The large percentage of the classic albums are there somewhere. I've never gone looking for an album there and not found it.
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I pull out Brubeck's Take Five about once a year and keep hoping I get what other people seem to get out of it. I realize the distinction of it being landmark album and I respect that, but I just haven't been able to get much of anything else out of it consistantly.
The song or the Time Out album?
The whole album. I should probably pull out Time Out again and see what's not clicking.
I had Agharta (Miles) on the other day and wonder why I don't listen to it more. I just sat there and took it all in. Miles circa 1968 to 1975 has long been my favorite era of his work.
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I've had the luck that these last few years, while I've been really digging into jazz, I've had stores near me that keep it well-stocked. Last year not quite as much, had to shop around a little bit, but there's an amazing music store here in Bonn, one of the better ones I've ever seen, and it has a five or six metre long jazz section downstairs. The large percentage of the classic albums are there somewhere. I've never gone looking for an album there and not found it.
Ohh lucky you. :)
I pull out Brubeck's Take Five about once a year and keep hoping I get what other people seem to get out of it. I realize the distinction of it being landmark album and I respect that, but I just haven't been able to get much of anything else out of it consistantly.
The song or the Time Out album?
The whole album. I should probably pull out Time Out again and see what's not clicking.
I had Agharta (Miles) on the other day and wonder why I don't listen to it more. I just sat there and took it all in. Miles circa 1968 to 1975 has long been my favorite era of his work.
I'm convinced Time Out is one of the best jazz albums ever, at least one of my favourites ever. And yeah, Davis' work from 68 onwards is maybe just as good as his classic jazz era. I don't know how he did it, but no matter how much he changed, he still put out solid material.
edit: I found Mwandishi through secondary/extraordinary means ;) and I'm looking forward to hearing it.
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^^^ as much as Bitches Brew is an anomaly, Big Fun is maybe the closest thing to BB's style, though i think BF has its own sound going on, and is even more psychedelic and funky
When it comes to all of those later Miles fusion albums on which he was releasing further material from earlier sessions (Big Fun, Get Up With It, Water Babies, Circle in the Round, Directions), I'm just going to buy the Sessions box sets. That way, I can discover all of the music within the context of the sessions it was written in, and if I want to assemble those albums, I can do that later using the tracks from the sessions. After all, I just looked up the Big Fun track listing, and quite a large amount of it (all but Ife and Go Ahead John) is taken from the Bitches Brew Sessions, which explains it sounding quite a bit like BB.
What you said is very true. However, I dont know how much you care, but (for example) the version of Great Expectations on Big Fun is different than the one on the Complete BB Sessions. I dont know about every song on the other albums, but I know most of the Big Fun songs are almost exclusive to that album and the Complete BB Sessions has different takes (besides Ife and Go Ahead John, but then Ife is different than on the On The Corner Sessions)
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Soo. Any Soft Machine fans here? Third is one of my favourite albums ever. :)
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Elton Dean is one of my alto idols
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I just had to get this out; this is my favorite drummer, Bernard Purdie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FX_84iWPLU&feature=related
Not only is he technically good, but he has so much fun and soul in his playing. Just listen to him talking as hes playing :hat
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Elton Dean is one of my alto idols
Yeah, he's awesome. :biggrin:
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I just had to get this out; this is my favorite drummer, Bernard Purdie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FX_84iWPLU&feature=related
Not only is he technically good, but he has so much fun and soul in his playing. Just listen to him talking as hes playing :hat
Steely Dan is awesome. Love Aja.
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Finally listening to Mwandishi. That bass on Ostinato (Suite For Angela) is very tasty. What an album!
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I'm now moving onto My Favorite Things with my teacher tomorrow morning. Cannot wait to learn that song, it's freakin' kick arse.
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I'm now moving onto My Favorite Things with my teacher tomorrow morning. Cannot wait to learn that song, it's freakin' kick arse.
It's one of my favorite tunes of all time. I played the crap out of it on the sax for about half a year lol.
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hey Jazz fans, a brand new site just opened up
https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/ (https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/) the ultimate jazz music online community
it's still in its infant stage, but it's a fun site already. Ive been there a few weeks updating the site and such. Come by, join and have fun! :tup
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Great site.
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Pat Metheny is touring the US in October :D
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^I live in Australia. Fuck.
Anyone have Herbie Hancock's Head Hunters? I think it's pretty good. Also I was finally able to grab Pat Metheny Group. Great shit.
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Pat Metheny is touring the US in October :D
Thank you for this announcement because I had no idea. What format?
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So I assume you all know of mrjazzguitar, he makes amazing music and his new album is out!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22129.0
Links to his website and where to purchase the album are in that thread.
I bought it directly from him and he's personally shipping it tomorrow. I feel special :laugh: and I really can't wait to hear The Desert And The City.
Right now I'm relistening to Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi and it's actually the second time in a row today. It's that good! I have only Fluffy to thank.
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When it comes to all of those later Miles fusion albums on which he was releasing further material from earlier sessions (Big Fun, Get Up With It, Water Babies, Circle in the Round, Directions), I'm just going to buy the Sessions box sets. That way, I can discover all of the music within the context of the sessions it was written in, and if I want to assemble those albums, I can do that later using the tracks from the sessions.
Excellent decision! :)
I really love those 60s Miles Davis box sets, all of them!
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Anyone have Herbie Hancock's Head Hunters?
Head Hunters has possibly risen to the status of my favourite Hancock album. Which is something of an achievement, as Empyrean Isles was already one of my favourite jazz albums overall.
Right now I'm relistening to Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi and it's actually the second time in a row today. It's that good! I have only Fluffy to thank.
That album is mighty juicy.
I haven't been listening to too much music recently, but my hot jazz albums have been Milestones, A Tribute to Jack Johnson, Karma, and A Handful of Beauty
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I absolutely love the 3 Hancocks! Well I'm still missing Milestones, Tribute To JJ, and A Handful Of Beauty.
Karma, like I've said before, is an absolutely marvellous album. I've heard it enough to call it one of my favourites and it's a very different kind of jazz.
I've still got So What in my head man. :lol
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Headhunters is great. The cover scares me though. :lol
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^ Yep it's an awkward or odd cover. I think the post-psychedelic and new funk scene of the time had to do with it though. It couldn't have looked much different. I like it for what it is though heh.
I must hear Bitches Brew and A Tribute To Jack Johnson consecutively I think. Will be a long and awesome listening session.
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Soo. Any Soft Machine fans here? Third is one of my favourite albums ever. :)
Yes, great album.
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Recently picked up John Coltrane's A Love Supreme on vinyl. I was listening to it while on DTF, and I had to just sit back after the first few minutes.
it took over me.
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Recently picked up John Coltrane's A Love Supreme on vinyl. I was listening to it while on DTF, and I had to just sit back after the first few minutes.
it took over me.
*avatar* :millahhhh
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Wes Montgomery's "Smokin' at the Half Note" with the Wynton Kelly Trio is excellent. Montgomery and Kelly make such a great pair.
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I'd like to pitch in my two bits (as a budding jazz listener), and say, right here; Walkin' is an excellent album! The title track alone makes it worth a purchase:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbpqeevkhm0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbpqeevkhm0)
I would like to ask, as someone only really familiar with his material, aside from Walkin', from 63-69 (+Kind of Blue/Sketches of Spain), what would you say from Davis's pre-59 work would be most appealing to someone who really enjoys Walkin'?
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I'd like to pitch in my two bits (as a budding jazz listener), and say, right here; Walkin' is an excellent album! The title track alone makes it worth a purchase:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbpqeevkhm0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbpqeevkhm0)
I would like to ask, as someone only really familiar with his material, aside from Walkin', from 63-69 (+Kind of Blue/Sketches of Spain), what would you say from Davis's pre-59 work would be most appealing to someone who really enjoys Walkin'?
"Cookin'", Relaxin'", or "Steamin'"
...seriously
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Recently picked up John Coltrane's A Love Supreme on vinyl. I was listening to it while on DTF, and I had to just sit back after the first few minutes.
it took over me.
It's awesome, but personally I think Blue Train is even better. Just jazz perfection!
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EVERYONE GO LISTEN TO THAT WES MONTGOMERY ALBUM
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Tangentially related to jazz cool story bro:
Me and a friend have put together 'Kind of Blue on the Col-Train Tracks,' which is, as the name (terribly) suggests, Kind of Blue, Blood on the Tracks and Blue Train all put together and alternating tracks, and is the BEST PLAYLIST EVER. We're saving it for the last night of exams, and instead of going on a massive bender like most of our year we're gonna sit with coffee and some beers and probably just contentedly go 'aaaaaaaaah,' as the jazz owns our souls.
It's fun being middle aged men before our time. :lol
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The only Wes Montgomery I'm familiar with is Bumpin', but it's a pretty cool album!
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I'd like to pitch in my two bits (as a budding jazz listener), and say, right here; Walkin' is an excellent album! The title track alone makes it worth a purchase:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbpqeevkhm0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbpqeevkhm0)
I would like to ask, as someone only really familiar with his material, aside from Walkin', from 63-69 (+Kind of Blue/Sketches of Spain), what would you say from Davis's pre-59 work would be most appealing to someone who really enjoys Walkin'?
Yes, Walkin' is another fantastic one.
Get Birth Of The Cool (comp. album from 1957 of recordings with a 10/11 piece in 1949 & 1950 which marked a revolution in jazz), Miles Ahead, Cookin'/Relaxin'/Workin'/Steamin' With The Miles Davis Quintet (all recorded in 1956 but released in separate years, stellar work as it includes Coltrane), Milestones, George Gershwin's Porgy And Bess, and Ascenseur pour l'échafaud Original Soundtrack. I'll lastly add Blue Moods, I've only heard it once and I didn't "really" like it but it was a while ago. It's got Charles Mingus on bass.
You can't go wrong with any album really, it's all jazz and it's under Miles' name so you can say to yourself "how bad can it be?" and still end up enjoying it. :lol Lemme know what ya think.
Tangentially related to jazz cool story bro:
Me and a friend have put together 'Kind of Blue on the Col-Train Tracks,' which is, as the name (terribly) suggests, Kind of Blue, Blood on the Tracks and Blue Train all put together and alternating tracks, and is the BEST PLAYLIST EVER. We're saving it for the last night of exams, and instead of going on a massive bender like most of our year we're gonna sit with coffee and some beers and probably just contentedly go 'aaaaaaaaah,' as the jazz owns our souls.
It's fun being middle aged men before our time. :lol
Oh boy that would be a riveting listen for sure.
I'm in the middle of getting another Wes Monty album. The only one I have is the fantastic "The Incredible Jazz Guitar Of Wes Montgomery". I was introduced to Wes by my teacher.
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SMOKIN AT THE HALF NOTE SPNKr, JUST DO IT.
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^ Cheers for doing my name its justice, but I can't get anything of his as I'm stuck with TORRENTS THAT DON'T WANT TO WORK.
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BLOW UP THE INTERNET
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MUAHAHAHA THE END OF THE WORLD HAS COME WAY BEFORE 2012.
Guys, I have Coltrane's Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings and Miles Davis In Stockholm 1960 Complete. Wanna fight me? You may as well because I didn't buy them.
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SMOKIN AT THE HALF NOTE SPNKr, JUST DO IT.
I dug deeper and remarkably it's on its way. :millahhhh :millahhhh
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Awesome! let us (well, probably just me :lol) know what you think.
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OK guys, I want to take the dive into Jazz music, the only album I've ever heard is Kind of Blue and that was once several years ago.
So, other than listening to that one again, what are some other Jazz essentials that I should get into?
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Awesome! let us (well, probably just me :lol) know what you think.
I "just" chucked it on. :tup
OK guys, I want to take the dive into Jazz music, the only album I've ever heard is Kind of Blue and that was once several years ago.
So, other than listening to that one again, what are some other Jazz essentials that I should get into?
Shit. Well you can easily get into John Coltrane's Blue Train, Dave Brubeck's Time Out (maybe more suitable for newbies), or try Coltrane Jazz as I've seen well received responses on that one - a bit of an all rounder too - and maybe go for some bigger band which in turn's a bit bigger in sound like Charles Mingus' Mingus Ah Um.
Some easier on the ears stuff would be the ballad side to jazz, slow and more bluesy/smooth. Again by Coltrane, Settin' The Pace, Black Pearls, and Ballads.
Jazz Blues styles would be Kenny Burrell, and so far I really dig Midnight Blue. It features a conga player as well.
edit: re-listen to Kind Of Blue :P
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Check out Moanin' by Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers for some great hard bop. It's a pretty universally loved record; very easy to get into.
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^ I'm missing that one. Thanks for mentioning!
I also forgot to post anything by Miles Davis for Quads. There's Cookin', Relaxin', Workin', and Steamin' With The Miles Davis Quintet. They're a series, so try one of em. You won't be disappointed.
Basically with jazz you can start anywhere and no one will tell you you're listening to the wrong stuff. :tup
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I've gotta check out those Miles records.
NO WAIT I NEED TO LISTEN TO ALL THE OTHER STUFF I JUST GOT FIRST. FUCK.
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^ Yeah that's what happens sometimes :lol you look real forward to getting stuff on your "to get list" instead of listening to what you recently got.
Thanks for showing Wynton Kelly & Wes Monty, this is some reeeal good shit mang!
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Yeah, it's pretty fantastic.
Anyway, on the more contemporary side, I'm really digging Brad Mehldau. This is a really beautiful tune from his album, Largo, called "When it Rains" https://grooveshark.com/#/s/When+It+Rains/1W5jL2?src=5
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Any Robert Glasper fans?
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Hey goon, I listened to Moanin' last night and it is just fantastic. I can see that Miles Davis was influenced by the title track using (I think) that same chord but up a key for So What. The head/melody is structured the same way as well, it was interesting.
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Whoever suggested The Way Up by Pat Metheny a few pages back, thank you so much.
And I'm checking out Esbjorn Svensson Trio right now, some great stuff!
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Whoever suggested The Way Up by Pat Metheny a few pages back, thank you so much.
And I'm checking out Esbjorn Svensson Trio right now, some great stuff!
EST is one of the best groups ever.
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Any album in particular your favorite? I just finished listening to Seven Days of Falling and I loved it. I definitely prefer more modern jazz to the classic stuff.
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Whoever suggested The Way Up by Pat Metheny a few pages back, thank you so much.
And I'm checking out Esbjorn Svensson Trio right now, some great stuff!
And that's not the only good thing Pat Metheny has done ;)
Right now I'm listening to the Walkin' album by the Miles Davis All Stars. Great shit.
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Whoever suggested The Way Up by Pat Metheny a few pages back, thank you so much.
And I'm checking out Esbjorn Svensson Trio right now, some great stuff!
i feel like it was me, but i dont have time to look it up.
TWU is a great album though
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Late to this thread. Been listenin to a lotta Miles lately......also been diggin Thelonious Monk too, man I love him.
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^ You're on the right track. ;)
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Winter in Venice is a good album to start, and so is From Gagarin's Point of View.
Pretty much can't go wrong with any of their albums.
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Been listening to Sun Ra today. I think there's a chance that he was really from Saturn.
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^ He's bloody impressive and amazing. All I have is Lanquidity and it's mind blowing.
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Horace Silver is awesome too, we played a lot of his stuff in the jazz lab band at school.
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^ Song For My Father :heart
I've recently been collecting Ornette Coleman, Miles, Coltrane, and also Pat Metheny. I haven't stopped because I can't get enough. :laugh:
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hahaha fuck yeah man!
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Man, nothing beats a nice cup of coffee and some downtempo jazz to relax after a hard week, noir cliches be damned.
Bohren & Der Club of Gore aren't technically jazz, but they're perfect for this kind of thing also.
Checked out Headhunters yesterday and loved it, but it really seems like more of a funk than a jazz album to me. Also listened to Mingus' The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady and was blown away. ALSO also listened to John Zorn's Naked City, which is kind of jazzy and really fun too.
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Man, nothing beats a nice cup of coffee and some downtempo jazz to relax after a hard week, noir cliches be damned.
Bohren & Der Club of Gore aren't technically jazz, but they're perfect for this kind of thing also.
Checked out Headhunters yesterday and loved it, but it really seems like more of a funk than a jazz album to me. Also listened to Mingus' The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady and was blown away. ALSO also listened to John Zorn's Naked City, which is kind of jazzy and really fun too.
I LOVE that Naked City record. The musicianship on that is insane! That was my gateway to all things John Zorn and beyond. I've got multiple records from everyone who played on that (In the case of Bill Frisell dozens) with the exception of maybe Yamatsuka Eye.
And although the cover could be interpreted as misleading at first glance, it totally fits the music.
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Yeah, I'm really digging it so far.
Bill Evans Trio's 'Waltz For Debby' is really nice. I can really hear his playing in Kind of Blue coming out more clearly here.
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I've got Naked City's Torture Garden. Only heard it once, but I remember it being insane and fun. Now about Headhunters, yes that is because the majority of it actually "is" Jazz-Funk :lol so it's all good anyway. Every now and then I bust out that Chameleon riff on my bass and it's always fun. Especially in class where everyone kicks into its groove.
Now I'll check out that Bill Evans Trio album because you like it so.
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Yeah, Headhunters has a really nice groove to it. Also checked out Duke Ellington's Far East Suite yesterday; I really enjoyed it, but I'm not really desperate to hear it again or anything.
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All Blues on the Kind of Blue album is such a WIN track.
Entrancing song, with epic soloing by Trane...
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All Blues on the Kind of Blue album is such a WIN track.
Entrancing song, with epic soloing by Trane...
Blue in Green is my favorite track on there
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Blue In Green is my favourite as well, Bill Evans is just so damn good.
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Word. Listening to Oscar Peterson's Night Train. Great record; thanks rich!
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I have Duke's Far East Suite too! The clarinet is one of the things in the album I really like. I've only heard it twice in the 6+ months I've had it, hehe.
Been getting into Weather Report and Jaco Pastorius lately. They're soooo great.
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I have Duke's Far East Suite too! The clarinet is one of the things in the album I really like. I've only heard it twice in the 6+ months I've had it, hehe.
Been getting into Weather Report and Jaco Pastorius lately. They're soooo great.
I love Jaco, Zawinul, and Shorter, but Weather Report does nothing for me.
I still keep Heavy Weather around hoping that it will click.
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So i've been listening to some Coltrane in the last few days, and i think i finally "get" Jazz. I was hoping you could give me a few recommendations for good albums. Anything works.
I'm hoping for some good ones :hat
TY
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Well, what have you been listening to that you like?
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John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
John Coltrane - Blue Train
John Coltrane - Giant Steps
John Coltrane - My Favorite Things
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
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Those are a GREAT batch of albums.
May I recommend:
Miles Davis - Milestones
Art Blakey - Moanin'
Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus
True gem:
John Coltrane & Duke Ellington - Ellington & Coltrane
Just a few albums..
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John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman is also a really good album. Johnny Hartman sings over here, and maybe was Coltrane's only collaboration with a vocalist as I believe. Fantastic, and RARE, performance.
Here's more recommendations for Coltrane:
Coltrane Jazz
Africa/Brass
John Coltrane & Don Cherry - The Avant-Garde (this can be a fun album)
--- though I can't say you'll dig A Love Supreme easily, it's hard to take in considering it's unlike his first styles of jazz. You'll see eventually.
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Bumping this thread by saying that the tune Strode Rode by Sonny Rollins might be the best tune of all time.
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Sorry, I go here https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/default.asp (https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/default.asp) when I want to discuss jazz-related things. It's cool that we have a thread here, but honestly I think JMA is more resourceful. Not to mention I'm a collab over there (which is just a step below admin :) )
Sonny Rollins is the man BTW.
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Ugh. It's a jazz copy of prog-archives. And I always hated the forum on PA.
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Ugh. It's a jazz copy of prog-archives. And I always hated the forum on PA.
it's a lot friendlier there (I keep everyone in line ;) ), plus me and some of the other collabs and admins are always happy to help people find new music, or discuss without going into snobbish remarks.
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Ugh. It's a jazz copy of prog-archives. And I always hated the forum on PA.
it's a lot friendlier there (I keep everyone in line ;) ), plus me and some of the other collabs and admins are always happy to help people find new music, or discuss without going into snobbish remarks.
I meant the layout of the forums. DTF is way more structured imho.
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Ugh. It's a jazz copy of prog-archives. And I always hated the forum on PA.
it's a lot friendlier there (I keep everyone in line ;) ), plus me and some of the other collabs and admins are always happy to help people find new music, or discuss without going into snobbish remarks.
I meant the layout of the forums. DTF is way more structured imho.
I see you are the newest member over there. Unless there's another jsem :P Hope you enjoy it over there.
I cant comment on the structure of DTF or at PA/JMA/MMA, as both have their pros and cons. But it's good to have different opinions and discussions on more than one site
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Say.. Did that Oskar ever check out our recommendations? I've still been collecting Weather Report's discography, up to Sportin' Life. It's alright but I'm on the first track so... Could get worse. They didn't have Jaco anymore at that point. I think I must go back to finishing off Coltrane's discog too.
EDIT: HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU GUYS HAVE TO HEAR JOHN COLTRANE'S OM
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Say.. Did that Oskar ever check out our recommendations?
To be honest, i didn't :lol But i intend to do it soon, when i'm in a jazz-mood :hat
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Any fans of Jacques Loussier here? He's a pianist who merges classical with jazz, usually in a trio setting. He's done Bach, Chopin, Satie, Debussy, Händel, Vivaldi and more. Very cool stuff.
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I'm really into Weather Report, though I only have a few of their albums:
-The 2 self titled ones
-I Sing the Body Electric
-Heavy Weather, Mr. Gone, 8:30, and Night Passage.
What other of their albums would you guys recommend most?
Also, what albums from Zawinul's solo stuff would you say are most like Weather Report?
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^ You need Sweetnighter and Mysterious Traveller. I remember them being their most funky and Black American sounding albums, stuff you'd hear in those 70s crime movies for i.e.
If you really want there's Black Market and the other "commercial" thing that sits pretty much next to Heavy Weather which is called [Procession]. Don't touch Domino TheoryEDIT:, Sportin' Life and This Is This.
Say.. Did that Oskar ever check out our recommendations?
To be honest, i didn't :lol But i intend to do it soon, when i'm in a jazz-mood :hat
Haha, it's okay. I'll just mention that he's got a "very" worthwhile and rewarding discography.
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Also, what albums from Zawinul's solo stuff would you say are most like Weather Report?
Get the Joe Zawinul & The Zawinul Syndicate "World Tour" album
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Nyan Cat Jazz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaEmCFiNqP0
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I've just recently really got into Jazz, I've listened to the essentials. I've got your Davis, Coltrane, Brubeck and others. However I've recently hit a road block on where I want to go next. I just don't know what to get. Any help?
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What do you know most? The older styles and more traditional forms of jazz?
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I've been really into fusion, a lot of stuff from the late 60's and early 70's. I'm not to familiar with anything pre-1960 to tell you the truth.
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okay, that's okay with me then. i have recently obtained more and more fusion stuff. you should check out weather report. the main stars of that band included joe zawinul and wayne shorter. both fantastic jazz musicians of the older times, and eventually they too evolved into a completely different breed of jazz. that's what part of the whole jazz fusion period was about.
start with their first album and work your way up to maybe mysterious traveller. you should also maybe get live in tokyo, big double live album from 72.
a lot of people would also recommend herbie hancock - head hunters, miles davis - in a silent way & bitches brew. ya know, the critically acclaimed stuff. also i should recommend you check out pat metheny if you dig 70s jazz guitar/bass stuff, many people love this guy. look for bright size life :tup
i could list many other stuff, but really you can't go wrong with anything you find if you don't ask around. you'll eventually hear the "best" stuff anyways.
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I've been meaning to check out Weather Report for a while now, and I actually just listened to In a Silent Way, and Bitches Brew a couple days ago, and I really dig what's going on there. Head Hunters is actually what got me into fusion. It's such a great album.
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hmm i forgot jaco pastorius. LOOK UP JACO. YOU MUST DO IT. but yeah, that's awesome you've gotten yourself into those sorts of fusion. :)
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I think the reason I've gotten into this stuff is because I've listened to the traditional stuff because of my dad, and I wanted to see what else was out there in jazz, and it just so happened to lead me to the world of fusion.
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I need some big band Jazz album suggestions.
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^ duke ellington - far east suite
charles mingus - the black saint and the sinner lady
G-O
yeah that's sort of the same with me, i think. and whenever i hit "roadblocks" i just get more of a musician's/band's discog, at least half the time, that i'm actively into so i can see what happens after that. you need a nice relaxing flow sometimes.
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There's just so much out there it can be hard to decide where to go next sometimes.
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I need some big band Jazz album suggestions.
Check out Mingus Big Band's Nostalgia in Times Square. They specialize in Mingus tunes, and the version of Moanin' is mind blowing. Ronnie Cuber is one of the best bari sax players that I've heard in a long time, and he just throws down on that track.
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i'm just listening to Herbie's Fat Albert Rotunda, as i got it today, and i'm kind of assuming you have it as well. but yes, it's really good!
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Actually no. I haven't listened to anything of his other than Head Hunters. I have a tendency to find something I like and stay on it for a really long time.
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i'm just listening to Herbie's Fat Albert Rotunda, as i got it today, and i'm kind of assuming you have it as well. but yes, it's really good!
Dude, that's my absolute favorite by HH. Well, it's a tossup between Fat Albert and Mwandishi.
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i'm just listening to Herbie's Fat Albert Rotunda, as i got it today, and i'm kind of assuming you have it as well. but yes, it's really good!
Dude, that's my absolute favorite by HH. Well, it's a tossup between Fat Albert and Mwandishi.
dude, i love both too. mwandishi is superbly superb and F.A.R just ended. great album, you should check it out Pat.
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i'm just listening to Herbie's Fat Albert Rotunda, as i got it today, and i'm kind of assuming you have it as well. but yes, it's really good!
Dude, that's my absolute favorite by HH. Well, it's a tossup between Fat Albert and Mwandishi.
dude, i love both too. mwandishi is superbly superb and F.A.R just ended. great album, you should check it out Pat.
After Fat Albert Rotunda is done I'll queue it up.
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Herbie Hancock never ceases to amaze me.
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Well, I'm a listening to Everybody Digs Bill Evans for the first time, and I must say, there couldn't have been a better title. :smiley:
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Well, I'm a listening to Everybody Digs Bill Evans for the first time, and I must say, there couldn't have been a better title. :smiley:
Heh, yeah it's a pretty amazing album. Have you got Sunday at the Village Vanguard?
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Well, I'm a listening to Everybody Digs Bill Evans for the first time, and I must say, there couldn't have been a better title. :smiley:
Heh, yeah it's a pretty amazing album. Have you got Sunday at the Village Vanguard?
Nope, is it like 4 discs, or something?
Cause if that's the case, I'll have to beg for that from my family for like Christmas. If not, I'm getting it ASAP.
I'll definitely keep it in mind, and also would you say if Waltz For Debbie is worth my money?
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Well, I'm a listening to Everybody Digs Bill Evans for the first time, and I must say, there couldn't have been a better title. :smiley:
Heh, yeah it's a pretty amazing album. Have you got Sunday at the Village Vanguard?
Nope, is it like 4 discs, or something?
Cause if that's the case, I'll have to beg for that from my family for like Christmas. If not, I'm getting it ASAP.
I'll definitely keep it in mind, and also would you say if Waltz For Debbie is worth my money?
The Village Vanguard boxset is 3 cds. Most people think this is his best work. It's in my top 5 of favourite jazz recordings ever, it really is amazing. What makes it more amazing is that the bass player, Scott Lafaro, died 10 days after this recording. So it's the last recording of one of the greatest, if not the greatest, jazz piano trios ever.
Waltz For Debbie is actually a selection of songs from the Village Vanguard sessions. So the boxset includes all the songs on Waltz For Debbie.
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So, in other words, if I buy the VV, I effectively have Waltz for Debbie?
How swell. ^^
Are there any other Evans albums I'd be effectively owning by going ahead and getting the Village Vanguard set?
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So, in other words, if I buy the VV, I effectively have Waltz for Debbie?
Yep.
Are there any other Evans albums I'd be effectively owning by going ahead and getting the Village Vanguard set?
Yeah, 2 seperate cds were taken from the Vanguard sessions: Waltz For Debby and Sunday at the Village Vanguard. The boxset also has some extras, there's a track of the band discussing the repertoire, and the announcements and intermissions were kept in as extra tracks. Oh, and there's a couple of minutes of solo improvisation by Evans to fill up the tapes at the end.
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Jazz is one of the greatest genres in music. From the early jazz of greats like Duke Ellington to new fusion artists like Pat Metheny, we appreciate all that is Jazz in this thread. Talk about concerts you have seen, your favorite artists, etc.
I'm more of a Jazz-fusion person myself, but I also love the more traditional jazz. I'm also not a big fan of vocal jazz.
Bro detected. Commence agreement.
I love Weather Report, Miles Davis, John Coltraine, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Herbie Hancock and Pat Metheny. I do need to get hold of some Dave Brubeck and some of the more traditional stuff too. Recently I heard Santana for the first time, and I need to get some of his stuff. What would people recommend?
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In terms of Santana, go fer Caravanserai, if yer in search of his jazziest album, but I love all of his first 4.
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Excellent, will do, thanks.
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I've been listening to Santana before I even knew what music was. Get his first album! That's perhaps my first exposure to him and gets me nostalgia every time. Not "jazz" per se, but necessary if you want to get into Santana.
The jazzy stuff would be Caravanserai and Abraxas, which I also just adore of his. You will not be disappointed mate.
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Early Santana is great. You can tell that he was destined to be great.
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So I listened to Mwandishi, and I just want to know... what's with the 15/8? WHY WAS IT NECESSARY!?!
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I don't know what you're really talking about. but anyway, i'm listening to amy winehouse seriously for the first time. not bad!
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My sister has been listening to her lately as well. She isn't bad at all. I really wish her addictions hadn't overshadowed how talented she was. More people would've seen that she could really sing.
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it's funny i have some pop music my sisters will never get or want, but then again i have lots of music they'll never desire to hear. oh well.
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I saw Stanley Clarke, Chick Corea and Lenny White play in 2009. That was awesome!
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Just started to listen to the Fearless Leader Coltrane box set. If you don't hear from me for a couple days, do not be alarmed.
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Jukka Eskola is awesome, thanks to whoever recommended it on the other forum. Deimos?
Smoother than smooth jazz without the negatives of smooth jazz
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listening to Bitches Brew right now.
*you are now feeling jelly forcibly*
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:D
I have not been listening to jazz at all lately, which is weird for me.
I do still have a couple bottles of Bitches Brew that need to be drunk...
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Everyone needs to hear this album!
(https://www.technodisco.net/img/tracks/a/allan-holdsworth/1879938-allan-holdsworth-all-night-wrong.jpg)
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Just listened to Dexter Gordon's One Flight Up. Man do I love his sound on tenor. Just so good.
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Everyone needs to hear this album!
(https://www.technodisco.net/img/tracks/a/allan-holdsworth/1879938-allan-holdsworth-all-night-wrong.jpg)
Been a few months for me sitting down with this, but it's among my Holdsworth faves.....
Same with Bitches Brew I guess (well, it's probably been over a month since I've heard it so I guess it hasn't been THAT neglected).
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It's been ages since I last heard Bitches Brew. No idea why. I love it.
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I'm-ah hear it again once my vinyl rip download of it is done. Original mix.
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Yea the Holdsworth album is FIRE!!!
Anyone here into Hiromi? Her albums are sooo good, and her new one "Voice", which I previewed yesterday, is like jazz with prog rock sensibilities. I thought it was going to be trio-jazz (usually post-bop or something) but I was pleasantly surprised by the sound.
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You guys must hear Thelonius "edit: Thelonious" Monk. Monk's Dream and Straight, No Chaser. get em now! well that's all i have of monk, those and thelonius monk with john coltrane. all jazztastic albums.
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Reporting in to say that Stanley Turrentine is one of my recent discoveries, and what took me so long... amazing Tenor saxophonist.
And, finally E.S.T's full discography popped up on Spotify.
Oh yeah, I'm also going to learn the entire Time Out album, note for note. I'll start with the melodies, then maybe work my way through the solos - that is if I feel it's necessary.
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Time Out is a great album. When my dad got hired for a job that required Alto, which is not his main instrument, that's what he used to gain familiarity with the sax.
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Oh yeah, I'm also going to learn the entire Time Out album, note for note. I'll start with the melodies, then maybe work my way through the solos - that is if I feel it's necessary.
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are you an alto/tenor?
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Paul Desmond's playing is so lovely.
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Oh yeah, I'm also going to learn the entire Time Out album, note for note. I'll start with the melodies, then maybe work my way through the solos - that is if I feel it's necessary.
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are you an alto/tenor?
Alto. Or I wouldn't be attempting such a thing.
I'm in a huge jazz mood now after jazz camp and everything. Listened to a Duke record called At Fargo, Live 1940. 3 hours of pure bliss, DAT LEAD ALTO. One of few great recordings with Jimmy Blanton playing the bass.
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Oh yeah, I'm also going to learn the entire Time Out album, note for note. I'll start with the melodies, then maybe work my way through the solos - that is if I feel it's necessary.
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are you an alto/tenor?
Alto. Or I wouldn't be attempting such a thing.
Forgive my ignorance but what's teh difference between alto and tenor? i already know they're both in different registers but how does it make it not-possible to learn an alto's parts on tenor? i've heard some high pitched tenor playing.
i should check out that Duke record hey
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Oh yeah, I'm also going to learn the entire Time Out album, note for note. I'll start with the melodies, then maybe work my way through the solos - that is if I feel it's necessary.
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are you an alto/tenor?
Alto. Or I wouldn't be attempting such a thing.
Forgive my ignorance but what's teh difference between alto and tenor? i already know they're both in different registers but how does it make it not-possible to learn an alto's parts on tenor? i've heard some high pitched tenor playing.
It's not impossible to learn one or the other, but it has mostly got to do with tone quality - the saxes all sound different. I play the baritone sax too so I don't doubt I could play tenor too. Also a lot of Paul Desmond's playing is in pretty high register and would be impossible on the tenor without a very capable altissimo (like falsetto voice but on woodwind - the high pitch stuff you've been talking about) which I don't have. The tenor is tuned half an octave down from the alto and has a much fatter sound while the alto cuts through anything which is why it serves as the lead instrument in a big band.
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^ Okay, that pretty much answers all my queries and curiosities. my secondary/substitute teacher has been learning alto and she brought hers in, yes she, last week and played us some nursery rhyme melodies. Amazing sounding instrument, i can't wait til she gets to master level.
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Everyone listen to Jean Louis. The s/t was #5 on my top albums for a reason. :P It streams on their bandcamp.
https://jeanlouis.bandcamp.com/album/jean-louis
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Everyone listen to Jean Louis. The s/t was #5 on my top albums for a reason. :P It streams on their bandcamp.
https://jeanlouis.bandcamp.com/album/jean-louis
Listened. It was good, but usually this type of psychedelic jazz is not my cup of tea. There are exceptions, but this wasn't one of them.
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As of right now, I'm listening to Bitches' Brew, and Fir the first time, It's actually beginning to really reach out to me. Took a few months, but the connection is forming. :hat
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As of right now, I'm listening to Bitches' Brew, and Fir the first time, It's actually beginning to really reach out to me. Took a few months, but the connection is forming. :hat
Best thing about Bitches Brew is that there is a different drummer in each speaker, doing completely different things. While it may not be the best things Miles has done in my opinion, it's very out there, and I really like that.
Also, A Love Supreme is the perfect way to start a day. Nothing like waking up at 6:45, being the only person awake, and just relaxing to one of the greatest albums of all time.
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Love Supreme was my first Trane album.
Haven't listened to it in quite a while, due to Crescent and Blue Train proving easier to get into. Looks like I'm giving it a listen in a few minutes, though, since you brought it up.
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A Love Supreme is definitely not where you start with Coltrane. It just so happened to be My first Coltrane album, but my dad also happens to be a jazz head, so I had already listened to Coltrane a lot, and I was when I first heard it I was like, "Damn. This is a straight up MASTERPIECE."
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Love Supreme was my first Trane album.
Haven't listened to it in quite a while, due to Crescent and Blue Train proving easier to get into. Looks like I'm giving it a listen in a few minutes, though, since you brought it up.
What about everytime you see my avatar no?
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Seeing a gentleman's button with the Grateful Dead skull doesn't provoke me to listen to Live Dead.
Finished the listen; so glad I went back to ALS.
It was all making sense; listening to Crescent heavily in the past few months helped a lot with that.
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Finished the listen; so glad I went back to ALS.
You're welcome.
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You are my favorite Pokemon, Jigglypuff!
Now, a quick question for you:
How jazzy is Lizard by King Crimson?
I've heard it being described as having elements of big band and being a major development in early jazz rock. Is this the case?
(I'm looking into getting it and want to know what to expect)
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To tell you the truth, I haven't listened to it, so I wouldn't know. Sorry bud.
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Everyone listen to Jean Louis. The s/t was #5 on my top albums for a reason. :P It streams on their bandcamp.
https://jeanlouis.bandcamp.com/album/jean-louis
Listened. It was good, but usually this type of psychedelic jazz is not my cup of tea. There are exceptions, but this wasn't one of them.
Meh, understandable. :P
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Bitches Brew is a masterpiece. I first heard it back in 2005, and bought it in 2006. I haven't really appreciated it until a couple years ago, and every time I throw it on now, I always discover new things to enjoy about it.
Same thing with A Love Supreme, though I always found this one easier to get into, as it's still post-bop, though a little crazier. BB is still more out there than ALS is.
I was listening to a couple of 60s Herbie Hancock albums, but now I'm on this
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-alPpyujX8zo/TgfX2pvgAiI/AAAAAAAAAZw/PBOKa3v0I0g/s1600/974135jaco.jpg)
This album is pretty good. Nice lineup of course, but this reminds me of Bitches Brew in terms of mood, but with the creative virtuosic fire than Jaco and Metheny bring to the mix. Everyone should check out this album.
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Herbie Hancock is my hero right now. He really sparked my interest into the world of Jazz Fusion, and I never looked back.
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When we're on the topic of Herbie Hancock...
All his albums including the guitarist Wah Wah Watson are something else. Wah Wah Watson is something else man, best funk guitarist ever.
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When we're on the topic of Herbie Hancock...
All his albums including the guitarist Wah Wah Watson are something else. Wah Wah Watson is something else man, best funk guitarist ever.
Herbie is the man. He is my favorite jazz artist, followed VERY closely by Miles Davis, Coltrane, Chick Corea, Dave Holland, etc... I could go on and on; they're all so great.
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My top five:
1. Keith Jarrett
2. John Coltrane
3. Herbie Hancock
4. Thelonious Monk
5. Miles Davis
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Miles
Trane
Brubeck
Herbie
Bird/Diz
Art Blakey
Monk
Something like that.
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Since there was some discussion about A Love Supreme earlier, I thought I would share this with you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Dmo2YygG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Dmo2YygG4)
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Guys I've been getting into Miles' 1961-1968 period, ending just before Miles In The Sky because I already had that and it was probably the first time I REALLY noticed Tony Williams was an absolute-freakishly amazing drummer. That song, Nefertiti, is incredible. The rhythm section having a chance to improvise and the horns keeping melody instead of having solos here and there. Reversed form or something, never thought of that before!
so anyway, i'm listening to E.S.P. Great album so far. I don't see what's so bad about this underrated quintet. you've got stuff like Someday My Prince Will Come, oh i'm sure he will, Sorcerer, Quiet Nights (includes Gil Fucking Evans), Seven Steps To Heaven (is that an AWESOME name for an album or WHAT), E.S.P., Miles Smiles, and Nefertiti. Wayne Shorter tenor, Herbie Hancock piano, Ron Carter dub bass, Fucking Tony Fuckingh Williams drum machine, oh and of course Mr. Miles Davis TRUMpet. relaxing, attentive to mood, detailed, subtle, calm, smooth, wacky, groovy, ya know. i was getting really into his bitches brew stuff before I figured i'll FIIIINALLY check out his second great quintet's era. so many albums to delve into. chances are you douches won't read this shit but ah well.
more later forgot what i was gonna say shit
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Hmm... I really dig ESP and Miles Smiles! And Tony Williams is my favorite drummer to have played for Davis!
I've never really given Skrcerer-Kilimanjaro a shot yet;
Would you say chronological order would be the way to go?
Also, I really dig 7 Steps; would I also really dig Quiet Nights and My Prince? Which one do you prefer most?
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Go for Sorcerer-Filles de Kilimanjaro a try. i remember i didn't like Kilimanjaro hence why i haven't heard it since the first time. i much preferred miles in the sky to it. i've been working my way back from Nefertiti because i dunno... was really into bitches brew so i wanted to see how they progressed in reverse or something. i still haven't heard 7 steps nor Quiet Nights, nor Someday My Prince Will Come. i gotta check out betty davis, she was a babe man...
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now I'm on this
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-alPpyujX8zo/TgfX2pvgAiI/AAAAAAAAAZw/PBOKa3v0I0g/s1600/974135jaco.jpg)
This album is pretty good. Nice lineup of course, but this reminds me of Bitches Brew in terms of mood, but with the creative virtuosic fire than Jaco and Metheny bring to the mix. Everyone should check out this album.
Well, shit. i've forgotten to talk about this particular and rare record. i encourage you all to find this, took me probably months to finally get it.
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Anyone here have Brown Street by Zawinul?
I love it!
One of his last works, it Was a live record of him performing the best of Weather Report with a big band accompaniment. And it adds a lot! I'd say it often exceeds the original recordings in terms of goodness.
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I love jazz bassists...
Marcus Miller
:heart :heart :heart :heart
https://youtu.be/ufRRp37P7Tk
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Marcus Miller is one of the best bassists out there, but isn't THAT jazzy.
Well, a good way to put him is: way too funky to be a jazz bassist but way too jazzy to be a funk bassist.
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Very cool video, my first actual listen to any of his playing. I enjoy.
I have heard of him through him working with Miles Davis in the 80s, but I never checked that stuff out, as I've heard very little positive about his post-75 stuff.
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as I've heard very little positive about his post-75 stuff.
Years active 1975–present
But I'm assuming you mean his solo work...
Well, listen to the song Scoop. That gives you an idea of what Marcus Miller is capable of.
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Ooops, must of used misleading sentence structure. What I meant was I only knew of MM from being a sideman for Miles Davis in the 80s. And I've heard that Davis' 80s work really sucked.
I'm currently listening to Scoop on YouTube, a recording from the 94 Montreux festival, and it's very enjoyable.
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Listening to the complete Ellington At Newport. This is the first album from his orchestra I've listened to, and top notch!
(Isn't it swell when a live album is one complete, uninterrupted show?)
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Giant Steps. Forgot how awesome this song/album is. Damn is Coltrane a beast on this track.
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What can you say, album's a classic!
My preferred tune from there is Mr. PC.
Helps that I'm currently jamming a lot with that on vibes.
You have any opinions on his discography as a whole, or at least his albums you have?
I've got Blue Train, Giant Steps, Stardust, Crescent, and Love Supreme.
Love all of them, though the ones with his classic quarter (the latter two) are preferred most.
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I've got Giant Steps, A Love Supreme, the Fearless Leader Box Set, which is a bunch of his recordings for Prestige, as well as a best of album. There really isn't any Coltrane I don't love, but out of everything that I've heard A Love Supreme is, by far, my favorite (it also happens to be my second favorite album of all time).
I would have to agree that his classic quartet is where it's at. Coltrane, Elvin Jones, Jimmy Garrison, and McCoy Tyner, were some of the greatest musicians to ever play music in one group, I mean there's nothing better than just sitting back and listening to guys just play.
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Was A Love Supreme the last album he did with the Quartet before drifting into space for his final couple years?
I'd love to venture forwards into his even more outside stuff, but my first priority is to get all if his work with the quartet.
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Pretty sure it was the last.
When you say his "outside stuff" I assume you mean his avant garde period, which to be honest, I do not really care for. I can listen to some weird stuff, but it's a little too far out there for me. At least what I've heard of it is.
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Hmm... Looks like I may want to wait on the avent stuff, then?
In the meantime, What would you say are the Quartet's best pre-Crescent albums and or tunes?
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I can't really tell you to be honest. I know I've heard a lot of it, but I'm really not sure what's what. Most of what I heard, I heard while I was at my dad's friend's house while he had the stereo going, so I don't know names of songs or albums. I just know that it's really damn good. If I were you, I would just go with what came first, and go from there.
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Alrighty!
I'll take it in chrono order, and perhaps even share my say on them on this thread as I get them. That way, we all can have a better knowledge on the Quartet and it's greatness.
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Sounds like a plan Shake!
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(https://i.imgur.com/8L6qo.jpg)
just leaving this here.
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Olé Coltrane is an underrated masterpiece of a gem.
edit: in fact. All of his soprano work is legendary
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as I've heard very little positive about his post-75 stuff.
Years active 1975–present
Well, listen to the song Scoop. That gives you an idea of what Marcus Miller is capable of.
I'm currently listening to Scoop on YouTube, a recording from the 94 Montreux festival, and it's very enjoyable.
cool!
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(https://i.imgur.com/8L6qo.jpg)
just leaving this here.
I. Want. It. All.
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You are my favorite Pokemon, Jigglypuff!
Now, a quick question for you:
How jazzy is Lizard by King Crimson?
I've heard it being described as having elements of big band and being a major development in early jazz rock. Is this the case?
(I'm looking into getting it and want to know what to expect)
In response to this: It is still very classical, but there are hugely jazzy sections in it, particularly the title track. It's really experimental so it may take a while to click (for example I think I only "got" it last week, having had the album for the last two years).
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Listening to My Point of View and Inventions and Dimensions by Herbie Hancock. Both albums are very enjoyable; they seem rather underrated, being sandwiched in-between Takin Off and Empryan isles.
I&D is especially great; sort of quirky, yet cool feel throughout with a standard rhythm trio+ anxillery percussion.
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*sniped*https://i.imgur.com/8L6qo.jpg*sniped
just leaving this here.
I. Want. It. All.
Actually i forgot that i had more down that list, just forgot to increase the height of the window. I want it all too! i'm still collecting his music and i remember documenting a bit on it here.
I think the last thing I found was Om (pronounced "home" without the H), you gotta hear it! if you also dig his ballad style, get Ballads. great album...
edit: may as well write the rest down here.
Duke Ellington & John Coltrane - (1963) Duke Ellington & John Coltrane
John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman - (1963) John Coltrane And Johnny Hartman
John Coltrane Quartet, The - (1961) Africa/Brass
John Coltrane Quartet, The - (1962) Ballads (Deluxe Edition)
John Coltrane Quartet, The - (1964) Crescent
John Coltrane Quartet, The - (1965) The John Coltrane Quartet Plays
John Coltrane Quintet, The - (1961) John Coltrane Quintet With Eric Dolphy
John Coltrane With The Red Garland Trio - (1957) Traneing In
John Coltrane/Archie Shepp - (1966) New Thing At Newport (half of this live album is Coltrane's set and half is a new musician's at the time, Shepp)
Kenny Burrell & John Coltrane - (1963) Kenny Burrell & John Coltrane
Milt Jackson & John Coltrane - (1961) Bags & Trane
Thelonious Monk - (1961) Thelonius Monk With John Coltrane
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I'm just hitting the tip of the iceberg it seems. Although I didn't get really into Coltrane, let alone jazz, until a little over a year ago, so it makes sense that I haven't acquired a large collection... yet.
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SPNKr, what's your say on Bags and Trane?
Being a vibraphonist, I really dig Milt Jackson and his work with the Modern Jazz Quartet.
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^ He's really good. Bags does a great job accompanying Trane on there, took a bit for me to stand how cheesy some vibes could sound. i mean i already had grant green's idle moments so how i can i talk.. and now just thinking about GG i feel bad that that's the only album i have of him. such a great guitarist/musician.
it's been a while since i've heard B&T but it was worth the few listens, i even kept the bonus tracks and they're also good. you should get it.
@puffy, it took a lot of courage to spend so much time on coltrane this year. i feel really good about hearing all those albums, let alone having them, and his discography is among my favourite of any musician's in the world.
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his discography is among my favourite of any musician's in the world.
Seeing that Coltrane is one of the greatest musicians ever, it only makes sense that you would feel that way.
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his discography is among my favourite of any musician's in the world.
Seeing that Coltrane is one of the greatest musicians ever, it only makes sense that you would feel that way.
Only second to Miles IMO. One can only imagine what Trane would have done if he had lived into the fusion era
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There would have been some crazy avant garde fusion going on. Which would be insane.
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He and Ornette Coleman were the two guys really pushing it out there at the time anyway, so he woulda been all up in fusion.
How great would not his fusion soprano work be... oh wow
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I've been listening to bitches brew a lot lately. I've only started finding the form in the music, but to a lot of people there isn't form in there. Well i can say there damn sure is.
I bought it for $15, turned out to be a pressing from 1990. I was after an original mix on cd anyway, so by my luck i found what i was after :lol. I listened to it last night and thanks to the lack of dynamic range compression i was able to crank it UP! Though this one was probably barely eq'd, the highs are severely rolled off but it's very warm sounding. It must've sounded like that back in the day when new.
It took foobar's noise sharpening plugin to be at 200% to really hear the high end in the instruments. I guess you can say it was quite flat but i bloody enjoyed it all.
I just picked up the complete bitches brew sessions.
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Well, once you've had the chance to give that boxset a solid listen or two, please give us your say on whether it's worth the bank!
More music from that era of Davis sounds quite intriguing!
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If you listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tHHqTrObEM you know it's already worth it. straight away sounds like soul. also the song on there, Yaphet, has a tasty bass riff from Dave Holland.
Oh and I forgot to mention that for the first time I noticed actual dynamic build ups and climaxes on this particular CD version I bought. It was way more effective than what I had before and having the volume cranked up, unexpecting this variety of dynamics in the music, gave me chills.
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Checked out Corrado; kickass cut, my man!
It's so R&B-ish, yet so evil and twisted; if that's the sorta quality to expect of the other bonuses in that boxset, I'm so getting it!
That and the In A Silent Way one. I'd love to see how the tunes sounded in their original, unedited/spliced forms.
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yep, it has more strange and fairly evil stuff on it. But also some craziness captured on the final album. Big difference is there are no edits here, at least I can't hear any, whereas on IASW and BB they're quite obvious at times.
Definitely will be grabbing the IASW Sessions some time when I have the time. I just have a sickening amount of music to plough through lately.
Forgot to mention the complete BBs have a sitar player, Khalil Balakrishna, almost throughout, and this track called Lonely Fire has some eastern and spanish essence. If you think about the atmosphere and amount of space in Sketches Of Spain then introduce some avant-garde instruments to the jazz based music, you get this interesting and odd result found in that song.
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now I'm on this
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-alPpyujX8zo/TgfX2pvgAiI/AAAAAAAAAZw/PBOKa3v0I0g/s1600/974135jaco.jpg)
This album is pretty good. Nice lineup of course, but this reminds me of Bitches Brew in terms of mood, but with the creative virtuosic fire than Jaco and Metheny bring to the mix. Everyone should check out this album.
Well, shit. i've forgotten to talk about this particular and rare record. i encourage you all to find this, took me probably months to finally get it.
Damn! I can't even tell you when I listened to this last.
It was so long ago that I don't even remember what it even sounds like. I keep it at the beginning of my Jaco section (Not sure why I chose to put it there instead of with Metheny--which still doesn't explain why I've haven't put it on in a while since I listen to more Jaco than Metheny on average.)
It looks like I have about half of that Coltrane up there. Most of it from the '60s (Blue Train is the only pre 1961 solo album of his that I own.)
As far as '80s Miles goes, I only have We Want Miles which I think is from 1982. It sure is different, but in a very good way.
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^ Damn man, you NEED Blue Train. One of the jazz requirements for anybody.
I put Jaco (Pastorius/Metheny/Ditmas/Bley) in my Jaco section, and considering his name is written first on the front and he was already capable of being a leader at the time I don't see why it shouldn't be in his section. You can always count it as a Metheny album too, just logically should be in the Jaco section lol.
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^ Damn man, you NEED Blue Train. One of the jazz requirements for anybody.
I put Jaco (Pastorius/Metheny/Ditmas/Bley) in my Jaco section, and considering his name is written first on the front and he was already capable of being a leader at the time I don't see why it shouldn't be in his section. You can always count it as a Metheny album too, just logically should be in the Jaco section lol.
That's probably the most consistent way to do that. I never thought of that as a rule. (Thanks for the help!)
I suppose that would work for the many other instances were there are collaborations such as that.
I've got my Bruford/Levin Upper Extremities Blue Nights album in the Levin section for reasons I can't even explain (other than I had Tony Levin sign it when I saw him last) when under this rule I should clearly file it with the Bruford albums. I'm sure there are more inconsistencies I should fix.
I should have made that more clear.
Blue Train is the only pre-1961 Coltrane solo album that I own. I was fortune to secure a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs version in the days before Ebay and the Internet. Sitting to the right of it is the Complete Africa/Brass Sessions with the quartet.
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Time for Soft Machine's Third. It's rare I'm in the mood for it, but when I am anything else just doesn't cut it.
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If I have time today I'll put on Third, only heard the first track so far and that was on the weekend.
^ Damn man, you NEED Blue Train. One of the jazz requirements for anybody.
I put Jaco (Pastorius/Metheny/Ditmas/Bley) in my Jaco section, and considering his name is written first on the front and he was already capable of being a leader at the time I don't see why it shouldn't be in his section. You can always count it as a Metheny album too, just logically should be in the Jaco section lol.
That's probably the most consistent way to do that. I never thought of that as a rule. (Thanks for the help!)
I suppose that would work for the many other instances were there are collaborations such as that.
I've got my Bruford/Levin Upper Extremities Blue Nights album in the Levin section for reasons I can't even explain (other than I had Tony Levin sign it when I saw him last) when under this rule I should clearly file it with the Bruford albums. I'm sure there are more inconsistencies I should fix.
I should have made that more clear.
Blue Train is the only pre-1961 Coltrane solo album that I own. I was fortune to secure a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs version in the days before Ebay and the Internet. Sitting to the right of it is the Complete Africa/Brass Sessions with the quartet.
Ah ok, I remember reading you don't have it unless you edited that post. Good that you have it :tup
what is that album called anyway? i never got a good look of it on google, i have it digitally. all i got to see was the front of it. anything written on the spine?
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The album took me well over a year to really "get". But when I did it instantly became a favourite.
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now I'm on this
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-alPpyujX8zo/TgfX2pvgAiI/AAAAAAAAAZw/PBOKa3v0I0g/s1600/974135jaco.jpg)
This album is pretty good. Nice lineup of course, but this reminds me of Bitches Brew in terms of mood, but with the creative virtuosic fire than Jaco and Metheny bring to the mix. Everyone should check out this album.
Well, shit. i've forgotten to talk about this particular and rare record. i encourage you all to find this, took me probably months to finally get it.
Damn! I can't even tell you when I listened to this last.
It was so long ago that I don't even remember what it even sounds like. I keep it at the beginning of my Jaco section (Not sure why I chose to put it there instead of with Metheny--which still doesn't explain why I've haven't put it on in a while since I listen to more Jaco than Metheny on average.)
Might as well put it with Jaco; he only released, like, 3 albums by himself-besides this one. I think this album is the oldest album of his as well, predating his self titled, Metheny's Bright Size Life, or Weather Report albums
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^Yeah, it's the oldest studio recording of him that's not a demo. He did demos that made his self-titled album with Pat Metheny in 1974. Songs like Continuum sounded totally different.
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If I have time today I'll put on Third, only heard the first track so far and that was on the weekend.
^ Damn man, you NEED Blue Train. One of the jazz requirements for anybody.
I put Jaco (Pastorius/Metheny/Ditmas/Bley) in my Jaco section, and considering his name is written first on the front and he was already capable of being a leader at the time I don't see why it shouldn't be in his section. You can always count it as a Metheny album too, just logically should be in the Jaco section lol.
That's probably the most consistent way to do that. I never thought of that as a rule. (Thanks for the help!)
I suppose that would work for the many other instances were there are collaborations such as that.
I've got my Bruford/Levin Upper Extremities Blue Nights album in the Levin section for reasons I can't even explain (other than I had Tony Levin sign it when I saw him last) when under this rule I should clearly file it with the Bruford albums. I'm sure there are more inconsistencies I should fix.
I should have made that more clear.
Blue Train is the only pre-1961 Coltrane solo album that I own. I was fortune to secure a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs version in the days before Ebay and the Internet. Sitting to the right of it is the Complete Africa/Brass Sessions with the quartet.
Ah ok, I remember reading you don't have it unless you edited that post. Good that you have it :tup
what is that album called anyway? i never got a good look of it on google, i have it digitally. all i got to see was the front of it. anything written on the spine?
I'm confused which album you mean.
The Pastorius/Metheny/Ditmas/Bley album has "Pastorius/Metheny/Ditmas/Bley -- Jaco" on the spine leading me to believe the album is called Jaco which stuns me considering how early in the game it is.
By the way, I have close to a dozen Jaco albums but a good chunk of those are from the Live In New York City series. If I'm honest, I don't really listen to his self-titled album all that much. I prefer his live work or other collaborations a lot more.
My Mobile Fidelity Blue Train has the typical Mobile Fidelity style on the spine "UDCD 547 John Coltrane Blue Train MFSL"
The Bruford/Levin album has " PBCD 4 Bruford Levin Upper Extremities Blue Nights Papa Bear Records" on the spine. I suppose another reason I keep this with the Levin CDs is that it was released on his label.
The Coltrane Affica/Brass Sessions has " The John Coltrane Quartet The Complete Africa/Brass Sessions IMPD-2-168 Impulse" on the spine. This CD is a mid-'90s reissue 20-bit remaster.
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^ Wow, ok. that sums it up entirely for me, definitely titled Jaco .. at least in short hand. I'd love to get the complete africa/brass sessions man.
Edit: Picking up the Astrud Gilberto album (that has Gil Evans as well) titled Look To The Rainbow because that Smoke on the water riff was lifted directly from it. Can't wait to hear this, i love some bossa nova.
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^ Wow, ok. that sums it up entirely for me, definitely titled Jaco .. at least in short hand. I'd love to get the complete africa/brass sessions man.
Edit: Picking up the Astrud Gilberto album (that has Gil Evans as well) titled Look To The Rainbow because that Smoke on the water riff was lifted directly from it. Can't wait to hear this, i love some bossa nova.
Look To The Rainbow is a great album.
Kenny Burrell plays on it, he's such a beast on the guitar
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^ Holy shit really? Wiki doesn't have "shit" about the album so thanks for the heads up.
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What's the best album to start of the day?
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Might be ALS actually.
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Funny you say that, because it just finished playing.
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Best late-night album though is easily From Gagarin's Point of View by Esbjörn Svensson Trio.
Actually, any of E.S.T.'s albums.
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Hmmm, not familiar with them. I shall check them out tonight! Best album to start with?
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I took in the Return To Forever IV concert last week and I was absolutely floored by the performance, particularly Stanley Clarke on bass. It was such an amazing musical journey and the second best concert I have seen this year after the Neal Morse show. I was just awestruck watching and listening to these musicians. If you are into jazz fusion at all and these guys are coming near you, definitely check them out.
And having a set of Zappa Plays Zappa opening up was just the icinig on the cake.
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Cool beans!
I love RTF, as well as much of CC's solo stuff (Mainly the 60s and 70s)!
Do you know if they're doing anything in California?
Also, how many US dollars did the show cost you?
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Hmmm, not familiar with them. I shall check them out tonight! Best album to start with?
Best late-night album though is easily From Gagarin's Point of View by Esbjörn Svensson Trio.
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Alrighty then. I know what I'm listening to tonight then.
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I'm stuck on John Coltrane and Miles Davis, what should I check out next that's maybe the same type of Jazz as those two?
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Um, in terms of Miles, are you into his mid-late 60s quintet stuff?
Cause Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock have some amazing albums as leaders from the same general period and later ( 63-75 or so)
Also, if you dig the fusion stuff he did from 69-75, sidemen Joe Zawinul, Chick Corea, and John McLaughlin have some amazing fusion works under their belts, as well.
Weather Report, Return To Forever, and Mahavishnu Orchestra, the 3 superbig fusion groups of the 70s, all were lead by former Davis alumni;
WR is essentially Shorter and Zawinul + great rhythm sections
RtF is essentially Corea's primary project after working with Davis, though he does have more traditional works from the 60s, and the Akoustik Band, and some fusion concept albums like My Spanish Heart and The Leprechaun.
MO was J. Mclaughlin's big project during the 70s, and often featured Eastern influence in addition to standard fusion. Also, their first (I think) drummer, Billy Cobham is phenominal and lead on a great fusion album, Spectrum, if you're interested.
If you want specific albums named, please ask.
Edit: Also, try out the Dave Brubeck Quartet. They're most famous for Take Five and the album it's off of (Time Out), though my favorite album of theirs is Jazz Impressions of Eurasia.
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If you like 50s style hard bop Miles... check out Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers.
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I don't have much of their stuff, but I do have their first album where Horace Silver is the leader.
Doesn't get much better than The Preacher and Doodlin.
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I'M SO OVERWHELMED WITH ALL THIS JAZZ :sadpanda: I'm just gonna check all those out in order.
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I'M SO OVERWHELMED WITH ALL THIS JAZZ :sadpanda: I'm just gonna check all those out in order.
Don't rush it. Let it take its time to grow on you, listen to each album a couple of times over a period of time. Don't jump right into it, ease yourself into it.
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If you like 50s style hard bop Miles... check out Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers.
Yes ma'am, and the album's also called Moanin'.
I don't have much of their stuff, but I do have their first album where Horace Silver is the leader.
Doesn't get much better than The Preacher and Doodlin.
Speaking of HS, his quintet did Song For My Father and it's a spectacular record! haven't heard it in a long time. dat title track head, oh man.
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Moanin' you say?
I know the tune. In fact, back in 8th grade, the jazz band I was in played that tune for much of the year. Amazing chart. ^^ I'm assuming the rest of the record's at that goodness level?
Also, I have Song For My Father. Wonderful record, legendary title track, hope you have the version with 10 songs on it. The 4 extras aren't necessarily as good as the 6 tunes that made up the original LP, but are worty additions, nonetheless.
Any other Horace Silver recommendations?
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hmm it seems that i only have the 6 track version. i found horace silver through rate your music's top 100 of the 60s. i haven't gotten anything else since.
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I see.
Well, if you come across the 10-track version, don't hesitate in buying it, if you are curious about the other 4 songs, and really dig the original 6 track.
In the meantime, it appears my copy of Coltrane's Ballads has arrived, and I am currently listening to it.
1 track in, and I can say that I enjoy so far. Good and relaxed stuff. All covers, though, if that's of concern.
A lot more "in" and traditional than the sorta stuff the Trane's more known for, but very pretty and chill music, and though it's all ballads (obviously), the quartet still end up strutting their stuff and there are many very impressive moments, particularly from Elvin Jones, though that may be me noticing drum stuff well by being a drummer.
Edit: Finished listening to the whole album, and my say is about the same. It's no Love Supreme, nor Giant Steps, but that's cool, because it wasn't meant to be either. As a collection of runs through standard pops, it's very wonderfully executed and has gotten me hooked in a single listen, being a very accessible record. Though not seeping mysticism to the extent of Crescent/ALS, the Quartet's characteristic freeness and spirituality is present, if you're paying attention.
Overall, I dig.
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did I recommend you Ballads? I thinks it's a beautiful record. at that time he was becoming increasingly avant-garde/modal. tonight I have more Miles davis lined up. have to re-listen to his 60s stuff I picked up last week.
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Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers = Amazing
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Hmm, building my 4 mallet vibraphone comping skills for HS jazz tryouts in about 4 weeks is coming along well. I've seen a lot of improvement this week through comping chords to Real Book standards. Though it has been mostly ones using the blues progression.
(What's nice and convenient is that I just have to do 3-7, 6-9 variants for everything. Seriously; when I asked the director about things to work on to prepare myself to meet his requirements, he said to do only voicing using those notes within a chord. To paraphrase him, "The bassist will generally always cover the root and the rhythm section excluding the 4th and 5th makes the ensemble sound hip.")
Next stop, Maiden Voyage!
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Good luck to you man. I sung Fly Me To The Moon and did a guitar solo over it on Friday in front of my class. I've only sung alone around others maybe 3 or 4 times so far, and this week my teacher's gonna show me another song that i can also solo over, not just sing. It's great for me because it's new stuff i'm trying out. Finally there are opportunities.
I've got Ballads on right now and later i'll have miles smiles, sorcerer, and nefertiti to divert my attention to.
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Yay for playing jazz!
It's young'uns like us who may be taking on the great responsibility of keeping jazz alive in the 2010s-onwards, so keep up the good work, and if you end up with something you find great, please record and share.
And, that combo of Ballads + Davis Quintet 66-67 sounds heavenly. May end up with that as my own evening playlist after I get some drumkit time in.
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yup, i'm the only one in my class that does jazz. others have sung jazz standards but they really don't know how to swing and sustain the melodies so it barely sounds jazz or swing at all.
i thought about singing something fun like hendrix but do i really learn anything about my voice singing that stuff? not really, but if i wanted to sing hendrix next time i should try voodoo child slight return and not foxey lady. it's more of a soulful song and i can do the guitar for it too.
if i didn't choose to learn so what last semester then the people in my class that maybe never heard jazz still wouldn't know what it sounds like. one of the good reasons to do something nobody's doing, at least correctly.
i'm a blues guitarist and learning jazz properly now, started modes/scales and now trying chords + triads, is definitely my ideal tool to expand on what i already know and adapt it to my playing style.
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If you're getting into playing jazz from a blues background, it's probably one of the smoother genre transitions, considering that from playing blues, you're already down with the swing pulse. That, plus the blues scale and 12 bar progression are commonplace throughout the genre. From there, it's mainly a matter of figuring out the more precise theory as you've done/are currently working on, plus being a active listener within a group, and there you go, you're well set to jump in some jamming seshes.
Just make sure that you're reading music and have a Real Book on you.
Odds are, at a typical jam, you'll be reading standards out of there, so it's real beneficial to get to know as many as possible, and be good enough with reading to figure out the rest on the spot, if they're called. What is very nice is that so many tunes are 12 bar blues variations or rhythm change variations. :biggrin:
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I was enjoying my lunch one day in school in my English teachers room, who got me into jazz with his Jazz and Poetry class, while listening to A Love Supreme. About halfway through the record, one of my classmates walks in, sits down and after a minute, turns to me and says, "Don't you just hate this Jazz shit?" I was so mad, but i decided not go off on her, because she just doesn't know better. In my mind however, I was just thinking about how much I wanted to just freak out. I think that was the angriest I ever got in school.
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Well, that's weak.
At my school, I've never heard negative, uninformed statements about jazz.
In fact, aside from the kids in the jazz band, who I'll be working with for the first time, this year, I don't think anyone on campus has a clue what jazz is, or even know of it's existence.
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We used to have an amazing Jazz program. Actually we just has a sick music program in general, but we're starting to lose money, and kids are starting to lose interest, so it's diminished more than anything else in the school. Plus the best drummer (she was the All State Jazz drummer 4 of 4 years), and her sister, the best trombone player (also All State Jazz 4 of 4 years) moved away before our senior year, and it took a turn for the worse. There's a really good drummer, whose older brother was All State Jazz drummer 4 of 4 years when he went to school (yeah, we had some SICK drummers). While he's not as good as either of the drummers before him, he's pretty damn good, but there's no good bass player or pianist, so jazz has little to no chance at our school. It really sucks because we were one of the best Jazz schools in the state, and in one year *poof* it was all gone.
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Hmmm, I don't know personally how my school's jazz program has been the last couple years, as I had been too late to register for anything except for wind ensemble freshman year, and wasted my time in marching/drumline last year.
My school's main focus is football and marching/drumline, which I found that I don't care for at all. I've been into jazz drumming for 4 years, now, but my best friend has been the #1 kit player around since 7th grade, hence why I'm going to try out for vibes. The jazz instructir at my school is amazing, and the program had been making the Monterey festival for much of the past decade up till about last year. Some accounts from kids who were members of the group the last two years gave off the impression that most of the players were complacent and not too serious, but whatever.
If I make the cut, I'm giving it my all, and intend to gain as much skill and knowledge as I can the next 2 years, so come college, I hit the ground running!
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Go for it dude. Vibes are better than kit anyways. You actually need to know shit to be able to play them correctly. Takes a real musician to play em.
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The vibes are a fucking pleasure!
I am fortunate enough to know scales, chord structure, theory, ect.
Not to the extent of a stereotypical guitarist, but I know my way around my instrument and have no prob figuring out a progression. I'm still working my way to getting comfortable with soloing to demanding progressions, but with comping, I can take a tune out of my book, look at the progression, do some work to figure out the smoothest set of phrasings, break out the met, and comp it out, no sweat.
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The three things you need to know to make it in the jazz game. Scales, scales, and more scales.
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Looks like i'm going to hit the photocopier this week as there's no way of getting my hands on a real book. can't find it anywhere.
in conjunction with my theory/appreciation/vocals teacher showing me jazz songs, my guitar teacher showed me Cmaj7. my task was to look them up or wait next time for him to tab them out on paper. i just go here https://www.all-guitar-chords.com/index.php?ch=C&mm=maj7&v=0 and i find everything i ever wanted. amazing site.
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Amazing site:
https://www.apassion4jazz.net/jazz-chords-scales.html (https://www.apassion4jazz.net/jazz-chords-scales.html)
When I solo, I tend not to get over reliant on the chord progressions though, but I want to voice the chord anyway while soloing - this by using the important notes of the chord (3rd & 7th). Running scales up and down just creates stale solo's though, same thing with just the arpeggios up and down.
A good way to produce a good solo is to think the note you want to hit in advance, like sing in your head how you want it to sound - because hopefully it won't sound like crap then. Esbjörn Svensson sings while he solos, you hear a little humming in the background on their CDs - it's just like Glenn Gould would do when playing Bach.
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^Yep. Using target and approach notes is the way. Knowledge about voice leading helps a lot too, superimpositions in particular.
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Amazing site:
https://www.apassion4jazz.net/jazz-chords-scales.html (https://www.apassion4jazz.net/jazz-chords-scales.html)
Needed fixing. Oh and i totally agree with you. I hear many musicians sing their solos. I've tried doing that but I never remember to practice it.
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I've pretty much only been listening to Art Blakey & The Jazz Messenger's Moanin' album for the past weekend. It's so good.
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Just listening to Filles de Kilimanjaro for the second time in my life and i don't know why i underestimated it, it's great!
Right after that i've got the complete in a silent way sessions ready to go. i feel like a candy store in a kid.
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What is your opinion on the In a Silent Way sessions?
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almost finished them, they're pretty cool. i think i enjoyed the bitches brew ones better, but these are transitional to jazz-rock/fusion/funk from avant-gardeish ideas considering he was new to that direction. i say get it anyway because you may like it more than me, and i'll listen to each disc consecutively per day instead of a whole next time. just to take it in over not just 1 listen.
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With the Bitches Brew Sessions, I heard a lot of mixed reviews saying it wasn't rally the whole thing, and wasn't really that great, or that it was phenomenal and a 'must buy' for any jazz fans. I ended up not getting it because while I liked BB, I didn't care for it as much as other things he's done. I prefer In a Silent Way to Bitches Brew, so I feel like I would enjoy sessions. Won't know until I listen though...
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i will admit though i anticipated more gentle and late night sounding stuff like what's off the record, there's some more of it apart from the rehearsed final songs. just a bit scarce, that's all.
for what it is and has i think you should get it.
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I'll have to put it on my list. I have no money right now, so it's very long at the moment. I'll get it though, sometime... I hope.
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With the Bitches Brew Sessions, I heard a lot of mixed reviews saying it wasn't rally the whole thing, and wasn't really that great, or that it was phenomenal and a 'must buy' for any jazz fans. I ended up not getting it because while I liked BB, I didn't care for it as much as other things he's done. I prefer In a Silent Way to Bitches Brew, so I feel like I would enjoy sessions. Won't know until I listen though...
If you have In A Silent Way and Bitches Brew, just get Big Fun-it has most of the stuff that's on the BB sessions, and is an actual album.
the IASW sessions are essential though IMO
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HOLY FUCKING SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT Ahmad Jamal's The Awakening is awwwwwwwwwesome!
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I've really gotta check him out..
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one of the jazz piano gods, so you must. almost always in trio format.
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Miles does talk about him extensively in his autobiography, but I never checked him out.. I guess I will.
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Trio's are the way to go. The Standards Trio is by far the best in my opinion. Keith Jarret is INSANE.
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Speaking of trios, today, I got Thelonious Monk plays Duke Ellington.
Great record; very enjoyable to see 8 of Ellington's major standards reworked into trio workouts. Makes me ask, did Ellington do any trio or even small (4-6 or so man) band recordings? I only have 1 record of his, Ellington At New York, which I find to be awesome, however, I'm more of a combo guy, and would really dig any records featuring him in that sorta setting.
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Ellington & Coltrane is one of those albums.
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Ellington & Coltrane is one of those albums.
I'm gonna have to get that.
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It's amazing.
That version of In A Sentimental Mood proves that Trane can really do ballads, wow.
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Ellington & Coltrane is one of those albums.
I'm gonna have to get that.
Yes, sir. Please do. i just listened to more Miles davis.
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BUMP
So I'm a music student here at the University of North Texas, where liking and being surrounded by Jazz is a prerequisite. Last night I saw the One O'clock Lab Band for $5 and it was incredible. With that said, I've got one of their songs and another by a band that's made up of largely UNT graduates called Snarky Puppy, who makes some of the best Funk/Jazz/Fusion music I've ever heard.
Ice Nine - One O'clock Lab Band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLfKo1z5i70
Slow Demon - Snarky Puppy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67PMG2nVs4k
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Wow, that Ice-Nine song is fantastic! I listened to it like 3 times. Amazing One O'Clock Band.
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I recently started listening to jazz. I have John Coltrane's stuff, and I like it.
Can someone recommend me other jazz artists?
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I started feeling depressed a little while ago over some personal issues, so I threw on Kind of Blue. After it ended, I noticed how I fell out of that slump; and now I just feel fine. Not happy, but not down in the dumps like I was an hour ago.
Thanks Miles Davis. That album can be played in just about any mental state.
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I recently started listening to jazz. I have John Coltrane's stuff, and I like it.
Can someone recommend me other jazz artists?
Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, Thelonious Monk, Dave Brubeck, Dexter Gordon, Charles Mingus, Count Basie... I could go on.
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I will check them out. Thanks
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I've been a little bit disappointed with the Silent Way Sessions so far, though I guess that's my fault for heaping a lot of expectations on them. Most of it is very drifty stuff, which for me often means it'll take a fair bit of listening before I really start to get a good feel for the tracks. Still, I already get the impression that half of it is fairly strong material and about half is pretty meh.
And even if that remains the case, before hearing this set, I had, as context, heard Miles in the Sky from just before it and IASW and BB from just after it and loved all of them, so I was expecting this to be the same quality. There might be some strong material in these sessions, but nothing that approaches any of those albums.
Aside from the IASW tracks themselves, Ascent is the highlight of the set for me so far.
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That's why I'm very hesitant to get the complete sessions. I hear from some people that they're a "must have", but then other people tell me it's just meh. I'm probably going to get the IASW sessions, but not for awhile.
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At the moment, I'd say it's in the middle (as in, halfway between meh and must have). At the end of the day, Miles B-Sides are, despite what the hardcores might say, still B-Sides. Miles didn't put a fair bit of this stuff onto albums for good reason. Unless you're REALLY big on those fusion albums, not really essential listening.
Having said that, most jazz takes a LONG time to grow on me. I normally have a good idea roughly how I will feel about an album after 3, 4 listens. With jazz, I'd put that at ten listens, sometimes more. So the stuff which I like at the moment, I could end up loving, and the stuff I'm not so keen on... well, yeah.
One thing that I found interesting is that you can hear the band's sound creeping towards the sound they capture on IASW with the preceding sessions*, but they're still not REALLY close right up until the actual sessions that the album tracks came from, and BAM, out of nowhere, there's McLaughlin (from what I understand, they brought him in on a whim) and they're suddenly there.
There's also two tracks at the end of the boxset from the one session that took place between IASW and BB (if I'm right, BB directly followed the stuff on this boxset, and ALL the extras on the BB Complete Sessions boxset are from sessions following the ones for the album itself) and one of those tracks, The Ghetto Walk, is almost perfectly situated between the sound of Silent Way and Bitches Brew. Really interesting track purely because of that.
*Despite the titles, which to me imply you're getting the music just from the sessions of the album named - i.e. the scraps of music they made while making that album - these Miles fusion years Complete Sessions boxsets are really just a way of reducing the masses of stuff Miles produced in the studio during that period, for which there were previously tons of bits and bobs B-Sides albums, into four convenient brackets corresponding to the four studio albums. Which means the focus is really more on delivering the material from the sessions directly leading up to and following each album together WITH that album in one package than it is delivering the scraps of the sessions themselves. The exception is Tribute to Jack Johnson.
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i listened to bitches brew shortly after waking up this morning. tonight, right now, i'm listening to in a silent way.
bitches
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Just discovered a wonderful jazz guitarist. Adam Rogers. The guitar player in my band showed me his song Phrygia, which you should all look up because it's amazing, and I was blown away. This guy is just amazing.
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While we're on Jazz Guitarists.
Frank Vignola.
Absolutely godly.
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This just doesn't seem right. 50 bucks for 20 discs?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ELZNH0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=werdcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B005ELZNH0 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ELZNH0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=werdcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B005ELZNH0)
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That's insane. I have to get that.
edit: just pre-ordered
26th of September on co.uk
win
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Sweet!
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This just doesn't seem right. 50 bucks for 20 discs?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ELZNH0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=werdcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B005ELZNH0 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ELZNH0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=werdcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B005ELZNH0)
If I didn't already have everything but those last two, I might be all over this.
I'm guessing this is a cheap budget reissue with little to no liner notes or packaging. (Which of course is fine if that's what you're looking for.)
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"20 iconic original albums in mini LP replica sleeves, presented in a rigid case lift off lid box with a 30 page booklet and discography."
holy fuck i DO want this. only if it were actually LPs though
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Having said that, most jazz takes a LONG time to grow on me. I normally have a good idea roughly how I will feel about an album after 3, 4 listens. With jazz, I'd put that at ten listens, sometimes more. So the stuff which I like at the moment, I could end up loving, and the stuff I'm not so keen on... well, yeah.
And as I predicted, I've warmed to the Silent Way Complete Sessions stuff a lot since. It's very chill, but it creeps up on you.
Am getting paid a good sum for the first time since April in a few days. Will be celebrating with a mini-haul, and Bitches Brew Complete Sessions will definitely be there.
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Today I went to Wynton Marsalis and the lincoln center orchestra's rehersal and show. It was awesome :millahhhh
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"20 iconic original albums in mini LP replica sleeves, presented in a rigid case lift off lid box with a 30 page booklet and discography."
holy fuck i DO want this. only if it were actually LPs though
Just about what I figured.
That's only a page and a half of liner notes for each album even before adding the pages for the discography. Hopefully some of the liner notes will be on the sleeves themselves. Not really something i'd be interested in, but I'll admit it's pretty tough to deny the pricepoint.
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Am getting paid a good sum for the first time since April in a few days. Will be celebrating with a mini-haul, and Bitches Brew Complete Sessions will definitely be there.
As I mentioned in the haul thread, I decided to wait on this a bit longer, and get it at the same time with the Jack Johnson Sessions in one massive Miles haul.
I got Live-Evil in the meantime, however. On first listen now, and whoooooooooooooa. This is pretty out there. Although Jack Johnson had already been recorded and released when this stuff (the live stuff, anyway) was played, it almost sounds like a bridge between Bitches Brew and Jack Johnson, it kind of has one foot in the smokier, trippier sound of BB and one foot in the more direct, rock-based sound of JJ.
Also a very interesting listen because the only live album I've heard from this era at this stage is Agharta, and it's incredible how his live sound evolved in those five or so years. I never really thought about it too much, but listening to this, it's clear as day how much more funk-based that late stuff is.
edit: Forgot to say, this reminds me a bit of TMV's Scab Dates, only it doesn't blow great chunks.
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Am getting paid a good sum for the first time since April in a few days. Will be celebrating with a mini-haul, and Bitches Brew Complete Sessions will definitely be there.
As I mentioned in the haul thread, I decided to wait on this a bit longer, and get it at the same time with the Jack Johnson Sessions in one massive Miles haul.
I got Live-Evil in the meantime, however. On first listen now, and whoooooooooooooa. This is pretty out there. Although Jack Johnson had already been recorded and released when this stuff (the live stuff, anyway) was played, it almost sounds like a bridge between Bitches Brew and Jack Johnson, it kind of has one foot in the smokier, trippier sound of BB and one foot in the more direct, rock-based sound of JJ.
Also a very interesting listen because the only live album I've heard from this era at this stage is Agharta, and it's incredible how his live sound evolved in those five or so years. I never really thought about it too much, but listening to this, it's clear as day how much more funk-based that late stuff is.
edit: Forgot to say, this reminds me a bit of TMV's Scab Dates, only it doesn't blow great chunks.
I love Live-Evil. Definately one of my faves. Yeah, the funk stuff really takes off later on. Miles definately keeps moving. Also one of the things I like about him.
I've picked up a little on the Miles influnce in The Mars Volta. But I like Scab Dates too.
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While we're on Jazz Guitarists.
Frank Vignola.
Absolutely godly.
FUCK YES.
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Has anyone heard the album Crossings by Herbie Hancock?
I've had this for months, and have played it five or six times, and... well, it's not very good. It's basically the same formula as Mwandishi (an amazing album), only with very little focus to the compositions, and no real hooks to draw you in. Just 45 minutes of spaced out fusion jamming that comes and goes and doesn't really do anything in the meantime.
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Give it time. I could only get into Sextant back in the day (2006), those other 2 albums did nothing for me. I too thought it wasn't as good as Sextant (they were doing the same thing, etc..) Then I eventually warmed up to Mwandishi, but not Crossings. I think Crossings is the most progressive of the trilogy, because when it did click for me, I immediately felt the other 2 albums were inferior, and still do. Well, maybe not inferior, but not as good.
Give it time. Try again in a week or two.
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Eh, I've given this album tons of attempts. I'm not gonna give up on it completely, but I'm gonna put it away for a year or two now.
At least until I check out Sextant anyway, which I'm yet to get around to. That, Takin' Off, and Thrust seem to be the most essential Hancock albums I'm missing at this point. And I simply MUST hear Future Shock at some point.
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Has anyone heard the album Crossings by Herbie Hancock?
I've had this for months, and have played it five or six times, and... well, it's not very good. It's basically the same formula as Mwandishi (an amazing album), only with very little focus to the compositions, and no real hooks to draw you in. Just 45 minutes of spaced out fusion jamming that comes and goes and doesn't really do anything in the meantime.
What year did this come out?
Sounds like it's right in my wheelhouse....
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71?
It's the middle album in the Mwandishi - Crossings - Sextant trio, which Hancock released during the period when fusion first appeared. Mwandishi is brilliant, Crossings pretty much completely lost on me.
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Modern Jazz is great, I would recommend :
- The bass player Victor Wooten: album Palmystery , sure, check out his other projects
- Denis Chambers - his albums/projects, e.g Outbreak and many more.
Denis plays with Niacin , which is prog, jazz, fusion...my total favorite in this style...
- Laco Deczi music ( I think, also Stanley Clarke played with him) - www.lacodeczi.com
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Victor Wooten's work with Bela Fleck is epic
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Eh, I've given this album tons of attempts. I'm not gonna give up on it completely, but I'm gonna put it away for a year or two now.
At least until I check out Sextant anyway, which I'm yet to get around to. That, Takin' Off, and Thrust seem to be the most essential Hancock albums I'm missing at this point. And I simply MUST hear Future Shock at some point.
Well like I said, I got those 3 albums in 2006 or so, and Crossings didn't click for me until early this year. What's interesting is that I can't comprehend why I didn't like it before. You may feel the same way one day.
Thrust is probably Herbie's best album out of all his albums. Sextant was always my favorite of the Mwandishi trilogy. Takin' Off is solid post-bop from the 60s and is pretty essential for a Hancock collection. I'll warn you that Future Shock is very samey, and is really only good for the hit song "Rockit", but there's nothing bad about the album.
If you don't have these albums, you need them. "Man-Child", "Secrets", and "Dis Is The Drum".
Also, if you don't know, you should get Jaco's self titled album; it has Herbie on all tracks, and is essentially a Herbie Hancock album with Jaco on bass (not really, but almost).
Modern Jazz is great, I would recommend :
- The bass player Victor Wooten: album Palmystery , sure, check out his other projects
- Denis Chambers - his albums/projects, e.g Outbreak and many more.
Denis plays with Niacin , which is prog, jazz, fusion...my total favorite in this style...
- Laco Deczi music ( I think, also Stanley Clarke played with him) - www.lacodeczi.com
Funny you mention Wooten and Chambers, but not the Greg Howe/Dennis Chambers/Victor Wooten album "Extraction". Superb fusion by 3 great virtuosos. I don't know who plays the keys on it though.
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Some of those other ones are on my more extended list, just not my essential Hancock list (which I may have to rearrange now, haha). I hadn't read good things about Secrets though, and didn't know of the Jaco album.
Sounds like I've left some of the stronger albums til later though :laugh:
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71?
It's the middle album in the Mwandishi - Crossings - Sextant trio, which Hancock released during the period when fusion first appeared. Mwandishi is brilliant, Crossings pretty much completely lost on me.
Don't have any Hancock, but it sounds like I need to have these as some point.
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Had to learn How Deep Is The Ocean by Diana Krall for my course. :-[
What a roast !!! Remembering the form was a nightmare ! And we had to improvise over it, so I just read the vocal melody and improvised around that instead of working out the best mode for each chord etc...
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Some of those other ones are on my more extended list, just not my essential Hancock list (which I may have to rearrange now, haha). I hadn't read good things about Secrets though, and didn't know of the Jaco album.
Sounds like I've left some of the stronger albums til later though :laugh:
Oh yea, "Jaco Pastorius" is an essential album, especially for fusion fans. And you NEED Thrust!
Secrets has a couple of duds, but most of the tracks are solid jazz-funk, 2 of them being some of my favorite songs from HH (Doin' It, and Swamp Rat)
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Funny you mention Wooten and Chambers, but not the Greg Howe/Dennis Chambers/Victor Wooten album "Extraction". Superb fusion by 3 great virtuosos. I don't know who plays the keys on it though.
Excellent album.
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Just listen and pay your respects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv5j_Lx2R4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv5j_Lx2R4g)
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Hey guys...
(https://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/ElephantineSubtlety/DSC08891-1.jpg)
NINE DISCS OF MILES
I'm listening to the remastered Pharoah's Dance right now - my copy of BB which I bought years ago was a fairly early CD pressing, I think. The sound difference is actually astonishing. In sections, the mix has been altered so much, instruments brought forward and pushed back to such a degree, it's like listening to a new track. This was literally half the reason I was anticipating this set.
I originally bought the Silent Way Sessions just as an online download cos it was quite cheap, but looking at the books to these with essays, photos, session/track-by-track breakdowns and so on, I'm probably going to go back and get a hard copy of that too.
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Sweet! I have the first but would love to get the second...
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This just doesn't seem right. 50 bucks for 20 discs?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ELZNH0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=werdcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B005ELZNH0 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ELZNH0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=werdcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B005ELZNH0)
Got that Miles box set now. All CD's ever should be in mini-LP sleeves.. seriously, regular CD cases make no sense whatsoever.
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This just doesn't seem right. 50 bucks for 20 discs?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ELZNH0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=werdcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B005ELZNH0 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ELZNH0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=werdcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B005ELZNH0)
All CD's ever should be in mini-LP sleeves. regular CD cases make no sense.
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Looks great!
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Nice, I have the one of the left and probably a good deal of the one on the right, but not that particular box.
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Okay, so I've given the BB Sessions a good introductory listen.
With the Bitches Brew Sessions, I heard a lot of mixed reviews saying it wasn't rally the whole thing, and wasn't really that great, or that it was phenomenal and a 'must buy' for any jazz fans. I ended up not getting it because while I liked BB, I didn't care for it as much as other things he's done. I prefer In a Silent Way to Bitches Brew, so I feel like I would enjoy sessions. Won't know until I listen though...
If you preferred IASW to BB, there's actually quite some chance you might like the BB Sessions.
Basically, after BB, they abandon much of the funk and rock side they were exploring on that album and return to a VERY spaced out vibe. Most of the tracks on here are long, slow, repetitive, ambient-esque, Eastern-influenced pieces. Imagine IASW crossed with traditional Indian music and you have the post-BB sessions. I can see why a lot of people wouldn't like this, especially if they went into it expecting more stuff like BB, but considering I love Indian music, I'm certainly very happy to have heard Miles explore in this direction.
One precaution though: other than Miles himself, there is fairly little soloing per se on this material. Most of the time, everyone else is just contributing to the atmosphere and the core sound.
On a separate note, I also recently bought The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. Holy crap, what an album. In terms of composition and the density of the sound, this is probably the most complex jazz I've ever heard.
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Just posting "The Drums Were Yellow" By Allan Holdsworth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7R_x8ihC80
Oh. My. God.
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If you listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tHHqTrObEM you know it's already worth it. straight away sounds like soul. also the song on there, Yaphet, has a tasty bass riff from Dave Holland.
Oh and I forgot to mention that for the first time I noticed actual dynamic build ups and climaxes on this particular CD version I bought. It was way more effective than what I had before and having the volume cranked up, unexpecting this variety of dynamics in the music, gave me chills.
Checked out Corrado; kickass cut, my man!
It's so R&B-ish, yet so evil and twisted; if that's the sorta quality to expect of the other bonuses in that boxset, I'm so getting it!
That and the In A Silent Way one. I'd love to see how the tunes sounded in their original, unedited/spliced forms.
yep, it has more strange and fairly evil stuff on it. But also some craziness captured on the final album. Big difference is there are no edits here, at least I can't hear any, whereas on IASW and BB they're quite obvious at times.
Definitely will be grabbing the IASW Sessions some time when I have the time. I just have a sickening amount of music to plough through lately.
Forgot to mention the complete BBs have a sitar player, Khalil Balakrishna, almost throughout, and this track called Lonely Fire has some eastern and spanish essence. If you think about the atmosphere and amount of space in Sketches Of Spain then introduce some avant-garde instruments to the jazz based music, you get this interesting and odd result found in that song.
Just an old conversation i had with seb there. should clear up some more curiosities and explanations of the complete bitches set.
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Has 'Norah Jones - Come Away With Me' been already mentioned?
Total blast for me...
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A couple of days ago I saw some sort of "Ultimate Jazz Box" 20cd's each covering a legendary jazz artist.
Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis, Oscar Peterson, Charlie Parker and the usual ones.
Next to that there were some arbitrary picks: Scott Joplin, Pat Metheny, John Scofield etc.
And Norah Jones.
Now I'm sorry, but what?
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And Norah Jones.
Now I'm sorry, but what?
Ok...I mean that album...just that album...
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Oh yeah, apart from any classifications it's a good album.
Smoothy background stuff, she has a great tone in her voice.
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I find her next album, what's it called, Looks Like Home(?), a bit better than her first. They're both pretty good albums though.
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So I'm currently taking my first real foray into the world of free jazz with Ascension...
...what the fuck did I get myself in to?! :lol
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So I'm currently taking my first real foray into the world of free jazz with Ascension...
...what the fuck did I get myself in to?! :lol
You're doomed. Byebye! :(
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Don't know of these people have been brought up, but how about some Brad Mehldau?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DACRXmimmpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_tbVd2qm9E&feature=related He is def the best modern Jazz Pianist, imo.
Also, Aaron Parks, James Farm, and Avashai Cohen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppUzxHTs7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ2UnOVRFgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq0LjPFtyLw
AWESOME FUN-JAZZ-FUSION Snarky Puppy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UDYwWqBnd8
Shit, Jazz rules.
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^I didn't know that Jamesman has a twin-bro at the forums....
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I have a Pat Metheny album with Brad Mehldau, a quartet album. It's a really good modern post-bop album.
There's another one with just Metheny and Mehldau as a duo, and Ive heard it before, but it bored me a little bit.
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Don't know of these people have been brought up, but how about some Brad Mehldau?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DACRXmimmpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_tbVd2qm9E&feature=related He is def the best modern Jazz Pianist, imo.
Love Mehldau. Don't Be Sad is a beast of a tune.
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Anyone looking for more jazz discussion than this thread (which is a great thread) should head over here.https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/default.asp (https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/default.asp)
We're looking for new members. You can discuss any genre and style of jazz, and even related genres like funk, soul, hip-hop, etc... It's a fun place!
https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/default.asp (https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/default.asp)
main site - https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/ (https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/)
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I'm a lurker there. I may as well join, sooner or later; it's a snazzy site!
Anyhoo, what's yer guys' say on Grant Green?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXwwi19eQng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXwwi19eQng)
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The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady has been seriously kicking my ass in the last few weeks. It's quite hard to wrap your head around at first, but I'm starting to think this might be one of the better jazz albums I've heard.
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I need some Grant Green. Been overlooking his work for too long
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Jamesman I actually saw Snarky Puppy here at UNT a few weeks ago. Best live performance I've ever seen.
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Ive been hooked on Roy Hargrove quintet - earfood
Strasburg St.Denis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxeb0cwjE8U
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It appears I'm developing a tolerance for big band.
For the longest time, I've been way combo-biased and unable to really wrap myself around the bigger ensembles, but lately, I've been revisiting some albums I have in that area, and browsing more stuff on YouTube, and I'm digging it.
Anyone here really in the know, in terms of big band?
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It appears I'm developing a tolerance for big band.
For the longest time, I've been way combo-biased and unable to really wrap myself around the bigger ensembles, but lately, I've been revisiting some albums I have in that area, and browsing more stuff on YouTube, and I'm digging it.
Anyone here really in the know, in terms of big band?
Buddy Rich.
My favorites also include Paul Whiteman, Henry James, Woody Herman, Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Glenn Miller, Count Basie and Duke Ellington. There's a ton more out there and most of it is out of print and lost to the sands of time unfortunately.
I'm by no means an expert but this quick Google search offers this brief history lesson.
https://www.swingmusic.net/getready.html.
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I feel like I haven't listened to anything new in a while. Someone give me suggestions.
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Stan Kenton.
I've only heard a couple songs, like The Peanut Vendor and Cuban Fire, but what I've heard is awesome!
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Has anyone else heard On the Corner?
Strange album. I'm gonna give it a LOT of time yet, but at the moment, after three or four listens, I don't think I'm going to like this as much as his other three main fusion albums. It's quite a difficult album to really get a grip on.
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Just posting "The Drums Were Yellow" By Allan Holdsworth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7R_x8ihC80
Oh. My. God.
Yes. I love that album and Holdsworth. Also, the title track from that album, Sixteen men of Tain, is amazing.
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Has anyone else heard On the Corner?
Strange album. I'm gonna give it a LOT of time yet, but at the moment, after three or four listens, I don't think I'm going to like this as much as his other three main fusion albums. It's quite a difficult album to really get a grip on.
Yes. Though not one of my favorites from 70s Miles, it has some redeeming qualities, mostly in the title track. The album is very repetitive; or ostinato. I don't listen to it much, but once in a while I'll throw it on, but mostly for backround music.
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That's the kind of fate I felt this album might eventually have for me, which saddens me, because it's 70s Miles, and the rest of 70s Miles is stunning.
And you're right, thus far, the first two tracks hold my attention far better than the second two.
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Pretty much all the other 70s Miles albums are great.
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After another listen, I think it's One and One that's killing Side B for me. That song is just the beat of Helen Butte/Mr Freedom X with nothing interesting going on, and after six minutes of that, you reach HB/MFX and it immediately sounds a bit tired, even though they end up doing things with the beat on that track and there are some good solos. So I think if I cut OAO from the album, I'll enjoy that last track a lot more.
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Have warmed quite a bit to On the Corner without One and One. I'd still say it's my least favourite of the four Miles fusion studio albums, but it's definitely very good, especially the first side.
I've finally been giving the Jack Johnson Sessions their first listen over the last few days. This is really solid stuff. As can be expected, a LOT of the rock edge that was brought forward on the album is here. Also extremely funky though, which I wasn't particularly expecting. But the main feeling I get is that whereas both the IASW and BB Sessions material both came across feeling like jams which Teo had touched up and edited and crafted into compositions, here, on JJ, most of it feels like just raw jam takes, more or less untouched. Which is no problem, because these are some great raw jams, and it gives a lot of the pieces a grittier tone that I really like.
I also forked out some serious cash a little while back and bought the On the Corner Sessions (in fact, that was where my On the Corner came from, as the original album is on the last disc). I won't be listening to that for a while, gonna give the BB Sessions, the JJ Sessions, On the Corner (the album) and Live-Evil all a bit of time yet.
But I now have everything Miles put out between 1968 and 1975, except for Filles de Kilimanjaro (and 2 of the 5 tracks on that are in the Silent Way Sessions set) and a few live albums.
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^ Do you have any of the "Lost Quintet" albums? "It's About That Time" and "Black Beauty" are the best ones.
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Nah, the only live shows I've heard are Live-Evil and Agharta (although I have Pangaea, which I was going to listen to after I've digested the On the Corner Sessions).
I was planning on getting hold of It's About That Time (which I've heard is amongst the very best moments in the Miles fusion canon) and Dark Magus, and wasn't sure on Black Beauty.
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Been so out of the jazz loop lately but saw an incredible show tonight from the amazing local Ken Walker Sextet (they play the last Friday of every month but I haven't caught them in a while).
Peter Sommer is just :dangerwillrobinson:
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Didn't know you didn't have Dark Magus. THAT album is essential for a serious 70s Miles collection. I think it's what you may have wanted On The Corner to be (it is for me).
IATT and Black Beauty are awesome. Chick Corea lay down some nasty electric piano work, and Wayne Shorter is on IATT before he left Miles' band.
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Just realizing the excellence of Larry Young - Unity
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Wynton Marsallis :hefdaddy
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If anyone wants to hear some amazing dark, gothic neo-jazz cabaret with amazing smokey vocals and twisted but clever lyrics, check out Jill Tracy's Diabolical Streak. I've never heard anything else like it.
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Hmm OK I'll do that! :tup
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If anyone wants to hear some amazing dark, gothic neo-jazz cabaret with amazing smokey vocals and twisted but clever lyrics, check out Jill Tracy's Diabolical Streak. I've never heard anything else like it.
fucking sexy
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Bumping to talk about Keith Jarrett. I love the man, but I do understand how some people can find him unappealing with all of moaning that he does. Personally I feel like that adds to the overall experience, but many see as the exact opposite. Any other Jarrett fans out there? Standards Trio fans?
Currently listening to Whisper Not a live Standards Trio recording from Paris. It's got some wonderful stuff on there.
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Keith Jarrett's one of my favourite artists, although I explore his stuff extremely slowly. Personally, I've never had any problems with his vocalising along with his piano, his albums are normally mixed so that it's barely noticeable, and if not, it's not as distracting or as bad as people make it out to be.
I haven't bothered with his Standards Trio, beyond an album called Changeless (which is apparently his trio's album which is most like his solo stuff).
Recently, I've been listening to his early Bremen/Lausanne album. Incredible concerts. Really dense material, a lot more challenging than other solo concerts of his I've heard, but still very melodic and catchy in a lot of parts.
I really want to hear more of the music he made with his American and European quartets. All I've heard at the moment is The Survivors Suite, possibly one of my favourite jazz albums.
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I'm the same way with listening to his stuff except it's mostly the Standards Trio stuff. I have heard some of solo work, but when I started listening to him I was really into the whole trio thing, so I haven't really ventured any further.
I would definitely recommend checking out Standards Vol.1 especially their version of God Bless The Child. It was my first experience with him and I fell in love with it, and him as well. It's really the album that got me into jazz.
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Keith Jarrett was who got me into jazz too, though for me, it was Vienna Concert.
I'll make Standards Vol. 1 the album I go to when I get around to more of his trio stuff.
The real problem I've had getting into his trio stuff is there are so many albums, and unlike his solo or quartet/quintet stuff, none ever really struck me as having a reputation that puts it above the others. So rather than there being three or four must-hear albums that you can confidently check out initially, there's just twenty or thirty apparently very good albums, and I didn't really want to start looking when I didn't know where to start.
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Sorry to break the Kieth Jarrett streak (Not familiar with his work at all; reconciliations4noobs anyone?)
I'm really digging Wayne Shorter right now. Have Speak No Evil, Adam's Apple, Night Dreamer, Juju, and Super Nova. Speak No Evil's probably my favorite, though I enjoy all of these albums, except for Super Nova. That's one I've yet to really get on the same level with.
Any of you have fair word on his works?
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I'll give you the same thing I said to Fluffy: Start where it all began Standards Vol.1.
In regards to Shorter I'm really only familiar with some of his work with Weather Report and haven't really ventured into any of his other stuff, so I can't really give you much on him.
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Shoutout to the great modern drummer Bill Stewart!
His album Snide Remarks is fantastic; 9 spacy compositions brought to life with his super-clever work on The skins.
Check out, say, Mayberry and Crosstalk on the YouTube, listen closely, and become a believer!
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Yknow, I got Derek Sherinian's new album Oceana a few weeks ago, and Ive listened to it a bunch of times. I have to say, it's his most "jazz fusion" album. All his albums have had a level of jazz and fusion in the music, but I feel that his albums have been dominated by prog-metal (as great as they are). Oceana is a full on jazz-fusion album, with a some heavy moments thrown in. Looking at the line up, it's no surprise the metal took a back seat to the jazz.
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Yknow, I got Derek Sherinian's new album Oceana a few weeks ago, and Ive listened to it a bunch of times. I have to say, it's his most "jazz fusion" album. All his albums have had a level of jazz and fusion in the music, but I feel that his albums have been dominated by prog-metal (as great as they are). Oceana is a full on jazz-fusion album, with a some heavy moments thrown in. Looking at the line up, it's no surprise the metal took a back seat to the jazz.
Still don't have this one yet, but I picked up Quantum a few weeks back but still have not had a chance to listen to that.
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I wouldn't call Oceana fusion. I've listened to it like 10 times - one of the best instrumental rock/prog albums though. It's more instrumental rock with a ton of prog thrown in.
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Just got Head Hunters in the mail. So happy right now; I love that album.
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Any Brad Mehldau fans in the house? I just wanted to find out if anyone has checked out the Brad Mehldau Trio's Ode yet? I've been a fan of his other records (solo and other configurations), but hadn't heard this one yet. I also found out that this collection of songs are all originals as opposed to the sprinkling of Radiohead, Soundgarden, Oasis, or Nick Drake like his other albums.
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I have a Pat Metheny Quartet album which features Brad Mehldau. It's some fine post-bop, though it's been a long while since Ive heard it.
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I am a fan of Highway Rider.
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I have a Pat Metheny Quartet album which features Brad Mehldau. It's some fine post-bop, though it's been a long while since Ive heard it.
I'll have to seek this one out. Brad got me when he recorded a version of Coltrane's Countdown. Holy shit those fingers go through the keys like they're nothing.
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(https://www.israbox.com/uploads/posts/2011-09/1316930711_cover.jpg)
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So I've been VERY slowly making my way through the On the Corner Sessions, which is really everything Miles made from On the Corner through to his meltdown in '75 (which includes Ife from Big Fun and all of Get Up With It except Honky Tonk).
So much music, but pretty much all of it's great. It's really hard to pick out highlights. Red China Blues and Rated X are very cool. The Hen is great. The Big Fun/Hollywuud extra takes are great. Calypso Frelimo and He Loved Him Madly are both awesome. What They Do is just brilliant.
I've also spun a few early Ornette Coleman albums in the last few months (The Shape of Jazz to Come and Change of the Century) and found both a bit underwhelming. Shape of Jazz's Side A is great. Side B is okay, but nowhere near as good. Change of the Century was good, but not overly interesting at all.
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So, today I got Never No Lament (a collection of Duke Ellington's big band recordings from 1940=42).
I'm currently listening to the first disk (of three) and really digging it. :tup
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I started my morning off with disks 2 and 3. Real amazing music it was.
I definitely am going to seek out more of Ellington's vast body of work.
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He's got a ton of music, but his stuff is all great. We play it all the time in jazz band. I can't think of any song of his that I don't like.
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Bumped for some Miles Davis appreciation. I caught the Miles bug recently and have been mostly listening to his music last couple days. Somehow I listened to the entire Live at the Plugged Nickel today, which is like 5 hours long, but it was so good. I'm finishing up Big Fun right now. :hat
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I really haven't go into Miles that much. The only thing that I've listened to of his more than once in the past few months is In a Silent Way, which is SUCH a great album.
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If you guys get the chance, check out the new Tribal Tech album. It's great! Really good fusion, and different from the usual Tribal Tech fare.
Seriously, you know how their older albums are similar to 80s Chick Corea Elektric Band, Dave Weckl Band, or much of that late-80s/90s fusion? Well, this album is a lot different, and much more modern sounding, with more emphasis on experimental jazz and some electronics.
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That sounds really cool, I'll check that out! The only Tribal Tech album I have is Reality Check, but I love it. Listening to some Tal Farlow now, I can't believe I never noticed this thread before!
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Has anyone heard the new Return To Forever live album with Jean-Luc Ponty? I heard it's great, and I will probably get the special edition with the DVD (only $16 at my local shop).
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Has anyone heard the new Return To Forever live album with Jean-Luc Ponty? I heard it's great, and I will probably get the special edition with the DVD (only $16 at my local shop).
I've got the CD of this and it's awesome. I love it.
I really wanted to see them on this tour, but I couldn't swing it so I had to settle for the CD.
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Maybe it's just me, but I perceive a much bigger difference between Dr. Hee and Reality Check than I do Reality Check and X. In other words, the new album is cool, but don't see as big a change in style.
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Maybe it's just me, but I perceive a much bigger difference between Dr. Hee and Reality Check than I do Reality Check and X. In other words, the new album is cool, but don't see as big a change in style.
I'm not Tribal Tech expert. The new album just seemed different than the couple of albums I've heard from them.
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i'll have to check out the new tribal tech.
i was at the return to forever reunion tour a few summers back when they first got going. it was only their third live performance or something, and it was killin'. ponty got a bit too much solo time and gambale not enough in my opinion, but the band was tight.
going further back in the thread, i much prefer mehldau to jarrett. brad's new cd ode is very good, but is a more challenging listen than his earlier stuff. art of the trio vol. 1 and vol. 4 are my favorites.
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I don't know why it took me so long, but I FINALLY started listening to Jaco's solo stuff, and I love it. The Jaco Pastorius record is definitely right up my alley. I think I took such a liking to it because Herbie Hancock is on it, and I really dig his stuff. Put the two guys together, and DAMN do you get some good stuff. I can't wait to see what else his discography has to offer. Really looking forward to it.
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Yep, the first Jaco record is a bona fide classic. Portrait of Tracy is the greatest solo bass composition ever.
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Such a good track. It really showcases Jaco's skills especially with the harmonics. I definitely need to buy this record ASAP.
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that first Jaco album is GREAT! But he has quite a short studio discography. So unless you are into his live recordings you might be a bit disappointed.
For some reason I have never given Word of Mouth many listens. It has never wowed me like his debut.
Also, I think I've mentioned it before on the boards, but check out Al Di Meola's debut Land Of The Midnight Sun. Jaco contributes bass on Suite Golden Dawn. Awesome stuff!
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Andreas Pĺlsson Trio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyS6ZW1BJcw)
The drummer is a former percussion teacher of mine who also plays alot of jazz. He's in this jazz trio with an amazing Hammond player who actually works as a classical percussionist but also plays alot of Hammond organ. He's an amazing muscian in every way and i thought i should share it.
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I don't know why it took me so long, but I FINALLY started listening to Jaco's solo stuff, and I love it. The Jaco Pastorius record is definitely right up my alley. I think I took such a liking to it because Herbie Hancock is on it, and I really dig his stuff. Put the two guys together, and DAMN do you get some good stuff. I can't wait to see what else his discography has to offer. Really looking forward to it.
Check out the album "JACO" featuring Jaco, Pat Metheny, and Paul Bley. Metheny plays uncharacteristically on that album, it's an amazing album.
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that first Jaco album is GREAT! But he has quite a short studio discography. So unless you are into his live recordings you might be a bit disappointed.
For some reason I have never given Word of Mouth many listens. It has never wowed me like his debut.
I really wish that he had a bigger solo discography. I didn't realize how short it was until after I listened to his debut. I'm not disappointing per say, but I am a little let down. That being said I have to agree with you on Word of Mouth. I've only listened to it a couple of times, but it's definitely not as high caliber as his debut. Still has some very good tracks on it, but nothing near as good as the first record.
I don't know why it took me so long, but I FINALLY started listening to Jaco's solo stuff, and I love it. The Jaco Pastorius record is definitely right up my alley. I think I took such a liking to it because Herbie Hancock is on it, and I really dig his stuff. Put the two guys together, and DAMN do you get some good stuff. I can't wait to see what else his discography has to offer. Really looking forward to it.
Check out the album "JACO" featuring Jaco, Pat Metheny, and Paul Bley. Metheny plays uncharacteristically on that album, it's an amazing album.
I'm about to go check that out right now. When I first read about it, I can say that it really intrigued me. I can't wait to check it out.
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Some of the best guitar playing you'll ever hear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZMF7Ckhkm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1tjKtAS7ks&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBPiRtE0ujI&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V2tXrRqTsw
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James Carter clinic in Moscow... well worth the almost two hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bcVdgHgcI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bcVdgHgcI)
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So Mingus Big Band play an hour from me on September 5th. And I'm working.
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So Mingus Big Band play an hour from me on September 5th. And I'm working.
Ouch!
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That's a real bummer. I would probably cry if that was the case for me.
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Mingus Big Band is so good. Love their energy.
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Going to fill in on Bari in Royal Big Band, a relatively well known big band here in Stockholm. Only on their rehearsal since their ordinary bari player couldn't show up, but still..
*feels good man*
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Nice man. Love me some bari sax. I played for 9 years.
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Going to fill in on Bari in Royal Big Band, a relatively well known big band here in Stockholm. Only on their rehearsal since their ordinary bari player couldn't show up, but still..
*feels good man*
Congrats! That's awesome!
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I just have to post this video of the Richie Cole Quintet doing their rendition of Yard Bird Suite. Man, all the soloists in this piece are shredding like crazy over that bebop stomp. I'm surprised the venue didn't fall to pieces after the band obliterated everything in site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cjIaIs-4pU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cjIaIs-4pU)
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Anyone looking forward to Hiromi's new album "Move" that comes out this month? I love Hiromi.
She's also touring, with Stanley Clarke on bass, and I know she'll be playing in New Brunswick, NJ Sept. 17 or 18, and then all week after that in NYC.
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Hiromi is playing in Stockholm soon..
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So my first four Mingus albums were Blues and Roots, Tijuana Moods, Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, and Mingus Ah Um. All are great albums from start to finish.
My next three have been Pithecanthropus Erectus, Mingus Dynasty and The Clown. None are great albums from start to finish, despite obvious Mingus masterpieces throughout. I'm starting to wonder if I have a truly great Mingus studio album left to go, or just pretty good ones that people call brilliant because it's Mingus.
(I missed Mingus Big Band, by the way. I might have asked for a day off work, but I had been sick in the week beforehand, so I thought it would be a tall order).
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I've been picking up jazz records left and right recently. My latest pickups have been Bye Bye Black Bird - Keith Jarrett Trio, Weather Report - Weather Report (the later one w/ Jaco), and April in Paris - Count Basie. All really solid albums. The Count Basie one has a special place in my heart though because it was the first jazz album that I ever remember hearing when my dad would put music on.
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A good friend of mine just turned me on to Kurt Rosenwinkel. He's an amazing guitarist. I would definitely recommend checking out his album The Next Step. Specifically the second track "Minor Blues."
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So I'm seeing Allan Holdsworth in a few days..
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Michel Camilo - New York Band - "CARIBE" (part 1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv6QB6-QfqM)
Michel Camilo - New York Band - "CARIBE" (part 2) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCfmV7G0v_4&feature=relmfu)
The amount of talent on that stage is just :omg:!
and this ain't to bad either:
Michel Camilo - On Fire (Horacio Hernandez and Anthony Jackson) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLdKObM2OJ8&feature=related)
What kind of brain is needed to keep both the tempo, pulse and energy up like that? It's just nerve-wracking!
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Blue Lou!!!
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Bump.
I'm kind of new to jazz, but most jazz that I heard so far is epic. Some things I've listened to so far are Bitches Brew, Empyrean Isles, some Pat Metheny stuff and a few songs from Weather Report (even though those last too are more like fusion I guess). Anyone have good recommendations?
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I would put Bitches Brew into the early Fusion category as well.
It kind of depends on what you like as jazz is splintered into many different directions you can take.
Some of the more popular/accessible albums in the genre that I love would be:
Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
Blue Train - John Coltrane
Somethin' Else - Cannonball Adderley
The Blues and the Abstract Truth - Oliver Nelson (my favorite)
Giant Steps - John Coltrane
Maiden Voyage - Herbie Hancock
The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery
If you like the fusiony stuff, try Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Al Di Meola, etc.
If you like the piano led stuff, try Bill Evans (Waltz for Debby, Sunday at the Village Vanguard - both are awesome), maybe even Dave Brubeck (Take Five).
For later fusion I would go with Chick Corea first and then most of the people that have been in his bands have their own solo discographies (Dave Weckl being my favorite).
For some music that gets a little wild, go for Charles Mingus or Thelonius Monk (Brilliant Corners) (not quite the same "wild", but different and interesting none the less)
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So anyway... been consumed with Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band the last few months, not as much the last few weeks.. but in total these last few months. Brilliant arranging really.
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I would put Bitches Brew into the early Fusion category as well.
It kind of depends on what you like as jazz is splintered into many different directions you can take.
Some of the more popular/accessible albums in the genre that I love would be:
Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
Blue Train - John Coltrane
Somethin' Else - Cannonball Adderley
The Blues and the Abstract Truth - Oliver Nelson (my favorite)
Giant Steps - John Coltrane
Maiden Voyage - Herbie Hancock
The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery
If you like the fusiony stuff, try Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Al Di Meola, etc.
If you like the piano led stuff, try Bill Evans (Waltz for Debby, Sunday at the Village Vanguard - both are awesome), maybe even Dave Brubeck (Take Five).
For later fusion I would go with Chick Corea first and then most of the people that have been in his bands have their own solo discographies (Dave Weckl being my favorite).
For some music that gets a little wild, go for Charles Mingus or Thelonius Monk (Brilliant Corners) (not quite the same "wild", but different and interesting none the less)
Thanks man, will check this out :tup
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Glad to see this thread :tup
I have been listening to jazz for about 1 year but everything I heard (and it's not much) is mindblowing. I have to listen more so would you write your favorite artists/albums?
(BTW, Big Hath, thank for Oliver Nelson :smiley: )
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Cool. The Blues and the Abstract Truth is awesome.
What are some of the albums that you really love from your year of listening? I can try to come up with some other suggestions in addition to the items I listed above.
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Cool. The Blues and the Abstract Truth is awesome.
What are some of the albums that you really love from your year of listening? I can try to come up with some other suggestions in addition to the items I listed above.
Miles Davis (Kind of Blue, Birth of the Cool, Biches Brew), Billy Cobham (Spectrum), Wes Montgomery, John Coltrane, Thelonius Monk, Duke Ellington, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra (but I'm not in vocal jazz that much), Weather Report, Return to Forever, Al di Meola, Jean-Luc Ponty (his Enigmatic Ocean is probably my favorite jazz album), Mahavishnu Orchestra (Birds Of Fire, Visions of the Emerald Beyond, The Inner Mounting Flame) and few others ;D
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Try Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (mentioned above - hard bob/modal) and Headhunters (more on the funk side of things)
I'll try to post some more later when I get home and look through a few albums.
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Try Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (mentioned above - hard bob/modal) and Headhunters (more on the funk side of things)
I'll try to post some more later when I get home and look through a few albums.
I heard that, too but somehow I forgot :facepalm:
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Just found this gem on YouTube. Thelonious Monk: Straight, No Chaser. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=D9udeWOjjls)
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yes, that is an awesome documentary
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Try Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (mentioned above - hard bob/modal) and Headhunters (more on the funk side of things)
I'll try to post some more later when I get home and look through a few albums.
I heard that, too but somehow I forgot :facepalm:
ok, try some of these:
Horace Silver - Song For My Father
Jimmy Smith - Back at the Chicken Shack
Sonny Rollins - Plus 4
Sonny Rollins - Saxaphone Colossus
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Some trumpet players I've met:
Wayne Bergeron
Jon Faddis
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I love jazz fusion, but my knowledge is extremely limited and I'd really like to get into it. I know Weather Report and Return to Forever, and I know of Mahavishnu orchestra, even if I haven't properly listened to them yet-- any recommendations for a good, proper introduction to a good fusion band?
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Bruford - Feels Good to Me; One of a Kind
Pekka Pohjola - Pihkasilmä kaarnakorva / Harakka Bialoipokku
Caldera - Caldera (RTF-esque with "latin funk")
Flora Purim - Open Your Eyes You Can Fly
Neil Sadler - Theory of Forms
Deus Ex Machina - Cinque (jazz fusion/avant-prog)
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The Dixie Dregs have elements of jazz fusion and are really fun to listen to.
My first dabbling with jazz fusion was with Return To Forever's Romantic Warrior, after that, I tried out Al DiMeola's Electric Rendezvous. Really great stuff
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Been real into Herbie Hancock lately (more than usual at least). Albums listened to: Head Hunters, Fat Albert Rotunda, Maiden Voyage, Speak Like a Child, Future Shock, and Mwandishi. It's hard to pick a favorite, but I think I would probably have to say either Fat Albert or Mwandishi. Both on opposite ends of the spectrum, but amazing in their own ways.
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A friend of mine with his new project:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YxaIKNwAbk&feature=plcp
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Playing a jazz gig tonight!
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Anyone got 15 grand to donate to me? I want my "private jam in your home" yes thank you please! :lol
https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/daveweckl
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Anyone got 15 grand to donate to me? I want my "private jam in your home" yes thank you please! :lol
https://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/daveweckl
good lord, that would be sweet!
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I love jazz fusion, but my knowledge is extremely limited and I'd really like to get into it. I know Weather Report and Return to Forever, and I know of Mahavishnu orchestra, even if I haven't properly listened to them yet-- any recommendations for a good, proper introduction to a good fusion band?
I'd recommend checking out the Chick Corea Elektric Band. Listening to the Eye of The Beholder album takes me back to college freshman year.
Then perhaps proceeding as well with Scott Henderson's, Eric Marienthal's, and Frank Gambale's respective solo albums.
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I love jazz fusion, but my knowledge is extremely limited and I'd really like to get into it. I know Weather Report and Return to Forever, and I know of Mahavishnu orchestra, even if I haven't properly listened to them yet-- any recommendations for a good, proper introduction to a good fusion band?
I'd recommend checking out the Chick Corea Elektric Band. Listening to the Eye of The Beholder album takes me back to college freshman year.
Then perhaps proceeding as well with Scott Henderson's, Eric Marienthal's, and Frank Gambale's respective solo albums.
don't know how I missed this earlier. Yes, Chick Corea Elektric Band would be a good place to start. And as TVC mentioned, most of the people that have been in the band have gone on to have successful solo careers.
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Thanks guys!
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I love jazz fusion, but my knowledge is extremely limited and I'd really like to get into it. I know Weather Report and Return to Forever, and I know of Mahavishnu orchestra, even if I haven't properly listened to them yet-- any recommendations for a good, proper introduction to a good fusion band?
I'd recommend checking out the Chick Corea Elektric Band. Listening to the Eye of The Beholder album takes me back to college freshman year.
Then perhaps proceeding as well with Scott Henderson's, Eric Marienthal's, and Frank Gambale's respective solo albums.
don't know how I missed this earlier. Yes, Chick Corea Elektric Band would be a good place to start. And as TVC mentioned, most of the people that have been in the band have gone on to have successful solo careers.
Dave Weckl was in that band too. Good stuff.
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Also check out Brand X. Amazing fusion band from 70s (their 90s stuff is cool too). Phil Collins is on the first 3 albums, and the bassist Percy Jones might be top 5 best fusion bassists of all time.
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In terms of Mahavishnu Orchestra, you really can't go wrong with either The Inner Mounting Flame or Birds of Fire. The former is a little bit more furious, but both are just teeming with energy.
Other fusion classics that you must check out:
Believe It by The New Tony Williams Lifetime
Enigmatic Ocean by Jean Luc Ponty
World Tour 90 by UZEB
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbzgt_IL968
Yes, I know I have an over the top love for Lin Di's voice, but I really like what I'm hearing from Swing Shine these days...
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Just bought 6 CDs by John Coltrane for 5,50 euros at a local store :metal
Blue Train
Giant Steps
Soultrane
Olé Coltrane
My Favorite Things
Africa/Brass
Of those I've only heard Blue Train before, so I'm looking forward to listening to the others as well.
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whoa, you just got a great haul there! I'm not as familiar with Africa/Brass, but the rest are excellent.
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That is an awesome haul.
Really dig those last two...
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Stanley Jordan
check dis out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3gHtPLXQOI
And
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QaWUjJkBZA
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Can anybody recommend any good singer/songwriter jazz? Just a voice and a guitar.
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So I've started listening to Mahavishnu Orchestra. Pretty good, although I highly favor the melody-oriented songs (like Birds of Fire) over the noise tracks.
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I got linked to a thing by this amazing japanese keys player earlier called Hiromi Uehara. I think I need to buy some of her stuff now. It's so epic.
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I got linked to a thing by this amazing japanese keys player earlier called Hiromi Uehara. I think I need to buy some of her stuff now. It's so epic.
She's amazing. One of my favorite jazz artists of all time. All of her albums are incredible. "Time Control" and "Voice" are my favorites.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQIjc9sDlGI
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pretty sweet! Love the vibes, and the rhodes. Some of the synth sounds were a little questionable, but overall it was quite enjoyable.
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:tup Glad you liked it! He's a buddy of mine and he's very talanted! Here's another clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YxaIKNwAbk
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I got linked to a thing by this amazing japanese keys player earlier called Hiromi Uehara. I think I need to buy some of her stuff now. It's so epic.
YES! I just found her yesterday, and it's incredible! Hooked on the first listen.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jmjBXoyugM
:heart
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She's been my favourite artist for the last 4 years or so. Time Control and Spiral are my favourites, but you can't go wrong with any of them. I need to give Move some more time, it might be up there with those two, we'll see.
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Richard Bona.. yes!
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I got linked to a thing by this amazing japanese keys player earlier called Hiromi Uehara. I think I need to buy some of her stuff now. It's so epic.
Just saw this, I love Hiromi! Her latest album, Move is one of my favorites of 2012. Great stuff. The album also has the drummer on Judas Priest's Sin After Sin, Simon Phillips.
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I went to Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club while I was in London and saw Monty Alexander, it was so amazing, very impressive stuff!
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Went to Nardis Jazz Club while in Istanbul last month. What a great club. The musicians and atmosphere were top notch.
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I've been listening to a lot of jazz lately, but the genre is so extensive it's been kind of daunting. I'm already familiar with fusion, so I've been trying to listen to a broad range of things.
Yesterday I listened to Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch! for the first time and loved it. I also just bought a box set of 5 Charles Mingus albums for only $9 from Amazon. Can't wait until it arrives!
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Oh yeah, Out To Lunch is great. And get ready for some wild music with the Mingus stuff. Listening to his music is quite an experience.
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Anyone here listen to Fire! Orchestra? Their album Exit! is amazing. Experimental big band with female vocals. Weird stuff, but I love avant-garde jazz.
Here if you have 20 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqoBUuA8g1o
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Lenny White -- great jazz fusion drummer, used to be with Return to Forever
Good albums to check: Present Tense and Renderers of Spirit
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Any Roy Hargrove fans in here? Every note the guy plays is golden, but he's been really absent lately. Apparently he's going through some heroin issues right now, shame to see.
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I've been listening to a lot of jazz lately, but the genre is so extensive it's been kind of daunting.
Don't worry about it. A newbie to metal might find there's so much and not know where to begin, but like with any genre, you have to dig through the crap to find the golden nuggets. Luckily, boards like this have members that can provide recommendations to make the search a little easier.
Lenny White -- great jazz fusion drummer, used to be with Return to Forever
and still is.
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Big Phat Band just continues to amaze me. Been studying the charts of Goodwin, Neal Hefti and others... have begun arranging myself a bit...
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^^^ they are a lot of fun!
Don't know if mentioned earlier, but Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain moves me every time.
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Just got Miles Davis - Black Beauty in the mail yesterday. It's a replacement for my old, scratched copy. How do you guys feel about that lineup, considered to be the "Lost Quintet" during the Bitches Brew tour? I personally enjoy the ferociousness of the band, very energetic, raw, dissonant sound. I also have "It's About That Time, and that one has Wayne Shorter still in the band, he rips it, and it's probably the best one of the 3 (the other being "Fillmore West" released in 1970).
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It's not bad. Anything from Miles in the 70's is alright with me. Wayne Shorter is missed though, he's one of my favorite Sax players and really contributed a ton to Miles' band.
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Hi guys. Do you know any documentary about history of jazz?
BTW, currently listening to Acknowledgement by John Coltrane ;)
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Ken Burns did a 10 episode documentary called Jazz for PBS about 10 years ago. You get a pretty good overview of the history, but there are several flaws that I will talk about when I get home.
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Ken Burns's Jazz According to Wynton Marsalis should've been the actual title.
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Ken Burns's Jazz According to Wynton Marsalis should've been the actual title.
Ha - that was one of my complaints!
My primary issue is that the entire premise of the series was that jazz is some kind of completed work that was finished in the 1960's and now belongs in a museum to be admired for what it was. Not something that continued to evolve beyond that point.
The series spent 9 episodes from roughly 1920 to 1960, then one single episode covering 1960 to 2001 (the year of its airing). Because of this, entire jazz sub-genres are hardly mentioned if at all. Avant-garde? Fusion? Jazz-funk? Apparently they didn't exist.
And Wynton Marsalis, oh boy. If you are a fan of his you are going to love the series, because it is seemingly all Wynton, all the time. And even more egregious, he is basically presented as a sort of "savior" of jazz since it apparently died in the 60's. One jazz writer had this to say about it: "Wynton's coronation in the film is not merely biased. It is not just aesthetically grating. It is unethical, given his integral role in the making of the very film that is praising him to the heavens."
My advise is to watch the show with the thought that this is Ken Burns'/Wynton Marsails' send up of jazz and as a good introduction to the history of the genre. Beyond that, you'll need to dig deeper to find the things they were unwilling to include or talk about.
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That documentary is a bit of a disappointment. It does great with explaining the beginning of Jazz, but that's about it. I can't stand Wynton Marsalis. He does great things with promoting Jazz education in America but at the same time, he's stuck in the 40's/50's. For some reason he won't embrace the way the genre has evolved. It's as if he'd rather see Jazz as an artifact in a museum rather than a breathing organism. Plus the guy dissed Miles. You don't do that.
/rant
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I think Keith Jarret said something along the lines of "the man's never played a note that meant anything in his entire life." I like the way he plays, and the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra, but his attitude definitely annoys me.
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I agree with all said about Wynton. I always like Brandon better -- just about the only person I can stand playing soprano.
However, I do appreciate Wynton keeping jazz education (limited though it may be) in the forefront. His educational programs for kids and sponsorship of various programs are valuable. No one else is really doing it.
Just a little credit where it's due. :)
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I agree with all said about Wynton. I always like Brandon better -- just about the only person I can stand playing soprano.
Ever check out Coltrane's later stuff? I always thought his playing was great on an instrument I otherwise can't stand. Wayne Shorter is good too, his latest album Without A Net is very awesome.
Agreed about the Jazz education. Jazz roots are important, and should be taught in American schools. After all, it's America's music, the history and culture behind it is vital information, in my opinion. However there's more to it than Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong, and Wynton should acknowledge that.
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Yah, forgot about Wayne Shorter -- he's great!
I love Coltrane, as well but his later stuff got a little more "out there" than I tend to enjoy in jazz. I really love Brandon's lyrical style when he accompanies others. I'm thinking of his Sting years. He's also one of those whom I can tell exactly who's playing from the first few notes. I dig his style.
Again -- agreed 100% about the lack of modern jazz from Wynton. It's just that no one else is doing it. His focus is where it is...there's no reason other jazz musicians can't take up the education mantle for other sub-genres. I'd love to see Chick Corea explore some of this!
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I like Coltrane's "out there" stuff. I'm totally into that free jazz thing though. Eric Dolphy and Ornette Coleman are some of my favorite players.
Herbie Hancock is good with promoting Jazz for young people too, although he isn't as high profile about it as Wynton. Actually, a lot of Jazz players are good about this. I guess since Wynton is at the forefront with these things, the burden is on him to push those other, less talked about, styles .
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Yeah, no to "free jazz". I prefer more structure in my music. :)
Herbie Hancock is another great one to do this more visibly.
I think when it's said and done, jazz has never been a genre really big on self-promotion. Either you get it and listen to it or your don't -- it tends to wait for people to find it. Unfortunately, young people are not as inclined to "look" for music. They listen to what comes over the radio or what's promoted heavily.
They need parents like I had (and am) to expose them to the great music from their youth.
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That's true, an education on it does help though. I personally got into Jazz through school. Learning about the history and personalities behind some players (especially Miles) made me appreciate the genre even more.
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And it's heartening to see a young person like yourself showing such an interest in such a wonderful genre of music.
Well done, you! :)
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Haha, thanks. I'm very glad to have found this music. :)
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heh, I try to play a wide variety of music in our house for our kids, but every time I ask my 4 year old son what he wants to listen to, his answer is invariably "jazz!". I think he just likes to say the word, but he gets to listen to all kinds of awesome music because of it.
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I think your boy may be a genius! :tup
And it *is* the coolest sounding word to describe a genre. You can't say "jaazzzzz" without feeling completely groovy. :biggrin:
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Frank Sinatra & The Quinzy Jones Big Band [Live In Studio]
After You've Gone
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHo_fyuaXas)Mack The Knife (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qj4Ulml9KU)
Look at that epic musician list!! :metal
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Frank Sinatra & The Quinzy Jones Big Band [Live In Studio]
After You've Gone
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHo_fyuaXas)Mack The Knife (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qj4Ulml9KU)
Look at that epic musician list!! :metal
LOVE!!!! :hefdaddy :heart
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Check out Sinatra at the Sands with Count Basie and his Orchestra. It's my go to Sinatra at the moment (and probably for a long time). Both of those guys were monsters of their respective fields, and hearing them together is just amazing.
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Bump.
Listening to the John Coltrane records I bought almost a year ago...
Just bought 6 CDs by John Coltrane for 5,50 euros at a local store :metal
Blue Train
Giant Steps
Soultrane
Olé Coltrane
My Favorite Things
Africa/Brass
Of those I've only heard Blue Train before, so I'm looking forward to listening to the others as well.
After I bought them, I only listened to Blue Train and Giant Steps a few times and then forgot about them. And now I'm listening again... Wow, this is good.
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Blue Train and Giant Steps are classics. I should listen to more Coltrane.
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I think Headhunters (by Herbie Hancock), the first two albums by Mahavishnu Orchestra or some Zappa would be a good start before entering the "modal jazz and hard bop realm".
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I think Headhunters (by Herbie Hancock), the first two albums by Mahavishnu Orchestra or some Zappa would be a good start before entering the "modal jazz and hard bop realm".
Yes. Very yes.
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I think Headhunters (by Herbie Hancock), the first two albums by Mahavishnu Orchestra or some Zappa would be a good start before entering the "modal jazz and hard bop realm".
Love all that stuff. I'm definitely more into Fusion than modal and hard bop stuff, though I like that stuff too.
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I just picked up Phil Collins - A Hot Night In Paris. I'm really diggin this album. My first of its kind. Where do i go from here? I love the whole Big Band Jazz stuff and I want more of it.
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Some different albums:
Thad Jones/Mel Lewis - Consummation
Count Basie - The Atomic Mr. Basie
Duke Ellington - The Blanton-Webster Band (long because compilation of many recordings during Blanton's tenure as Ellington's bassist)
Buddy Rich - Big Swing Face
More accessible stuff could be any output from Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band. Their best albums are XXL and Swingin' For The Fences.
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may not be exactly what you are looking for as I have never heard that Collins album, but I love the Mingus Big Band.
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I just picked up Phil Collins - A Hot Night In Paris. I'm really diggin this album.
One of my first records ever. I love that album so freaking much.
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Count Basie - Basically Basie
Dizzy Gillespie - At Newport
Dizzy Gillespie - Diz N' Bird at Carnegie Hall (first 5 tracks are a quintet w/ Charlie Parker, last 10 are big band)
Charles Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music
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may not be exactly what you are looking for as I have never heard that Collins album, but I love the Mingus Big Band.
Yes. Mingus Big Band are great. It's a great way to get to know Mingus' discography too, so one can check that out later.
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I just picked up Phil Collins - A Hot Night In Paris. I'm really diggin this album.
One of my first records ever. I love that album so freaking much.
Pretty cool album. Not as good as I was expecting though. Sort of big band lite....
Love Big Swing Face more....
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Could anyone recommend me any good fusion bands of recent years, similar to Snarky Puppy perhaps?
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Totally enjoying that new Al Di Meola album which is comprised of Beatles reinterpretations. The record is called All Your Life.
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RIP Yusef Lateef
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Anyone who's not familiar with Oscar Peterson's stuff has good times ahead. Big time.
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may not be exactly what you are looking for as I have never heard that Collins album, but I love the Mingus Big Band.
Yes. Mingus Big Band are great. It's a great way to get to know Mingus' discography too, so one can check that out later.
The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady is the greatest jazz record I can think of, with all due respect to A Love Supreme ;D. I think I like Birds Of Fire a bit better, but that's a jazz fusion record.
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The Real Group just made me hnnnng again. Not the first time. Nearly had a heart attack over how good this is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq9stCaxV8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq9stCaxV8)
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Got some Gil Scott-Heron for Christmas. He's really the only jazz vocalist that I'm into, and even then, he's more of a poet than a singer, but there's definitely a huge jazz vibe on all of his stuff.
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Check out Eldar's Re-Imagination album. Some of the best modern jazz I've ever heard!
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I got Thelonius Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall as a Christmas present-- really excited about it!
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Been on a Mingus kick lately and come to the conclusion I need more.
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Ah, Mingus :heart
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Mingus Ah Um :heart
fix'd
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:tup
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Mingus Ah Um :heart
fix'd
That was part of the mini marathon. Five Mingus albums just aren't enough.
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yeah, five Mingus isn't enough, but hey, it's pretty great on it's own:
(https://www.jazz.com/assets/2007/12/21/albumcoverMingusMingusMingusMingusMingus.jpg?1198280603)
:lol
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That's certainly one I need to check out.
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Weckl aside which of course always a beast i'm also very impressed with Stern and the guys still keeping the beat when Weckl goes bezerk, amazing! :hefdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_l07--EfY0
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amazing
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Just came up on my Tumblr dash: Mehliana (Brad Mehldau & Mark Guiliana) - Hungry Ghost (live). Mind altering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn6gjoMUEY4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn6gjoMUEY4)
And some more: Just Call Me Nige (live).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnH27mxW0KM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnH27mxW0KM)
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Just got a ticket to see Ron Carter in March. I've never listened to any of his stuff, but figured I'd check out the show since it was only $10 and Billy Cobham is playing with him (only Cobham album I have is Spectrum, which is great). Was wondering if there are any fans here who could recommend a few albums to check out. I'm guessing I should pick up some of his early 70s albums, as they all appear to have Cobham playing on them, but his discography is huge and a bit intimidating!
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I'm going to see Pat Metheny in June :hat
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Saw Mezzoforte last night. They where awesome and I couldn't exactly complain about my view:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1260x709q90/607/7oly.jpg)
I loved watching the keyboardist, he played with such ease and it was a pleasure to watch. Their music is so easy to get into and that's one thing I like about this band.
Here's a live clip I took:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDo5m0UscnY
Their music just makes me so damn happy.
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Sweet Child O' Mine done in the style of 1920's New Orleans Jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ3BAF_15yQ#t=88
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I seem to have got rather into the music of Hiromi of late. I seem to remember first seeing her name mentioned on DTF somewhere by Arrich, and yeah.
Move is brilliant.
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I seem to have got rather into the music of Hiromi of late. I seem to remember first seeing her name mentioned on DTF somewhere by Arrich, and yeah.
Move is brilliant.
Hiromi is fantastic! Her playing style reminds me a bit of Chick Corea and even a little Jordan Rudess. I remember reading somewhere that she likes listening to Dream Theater too! :D
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That's both awesome and massively unsurprising. Didn't she go to Berkeley?
I think what I love about her stuff is not so much her playing (which is awesome) but it's her arrangements which do it for me. She knows exactly what she's doing when giving parts to people.
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Snarky Puppy's latest live in the studio release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk0WRHV_vt8
They're releasing a new tune every coming monday, this was the first to be posted. This looks like it's going to be killer.
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Snarky Puppy's latest live in the studio release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk0WRHV_vt8
They're releasing a new tune every coming monday, this was the first to be posted. This looks like it's going to be killer.
I am literally so excited for this album. Snarky Puppy is my second favorite band behind DT, and even when it seems impossible they just seem to be getting better and better. Shofukan is already one of my favorite songs by them; the breakdown riff at the end is absolutely killer.
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Snarky Puppy's latest live in the studio release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk0WRHV_vt8
They're releasing a new tune every coming monday, this was the first to be posted. This looks like it's going to be killer.
I am literally so excited for this album. Snarky Puppy is my second favorite band behind DT, and even when it seems impossible they just seem to be getting better and better. Shofukan is already one of my favorite songs by them; the breakdown riff at the end is absolutely killer.
Same here, great track and this footage might be their best yet. The second vid just got posted today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuhHU_BZXSk
:hat
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I just saw those 2 Snarky Puppy videos. Holy crap they are awesome! Glad to have found out about them.
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I just saw those 2 Snarky Puppy videos. Holy crap they are awesome! Glad to have found out about them.
:tup
I too found out about them through this forum after someone made a thread about them here. One of the best musical discoveries DTF.org has given me.
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I just saw those 2 Snarky Puppy videos. Holy crap they are awesome! Glad to have found out about them.
:tup
I too found out about them through this forum after someone made a thread about them here. One of the best musical discoveries DTF.org has given me.
I can't wait until I order their new stuff. Always fun to get this excited over a musical discovery.
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Saw Mezzoforte last night. They where awesome and I couldn't exactly complain about my view:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1260x709q90/607/7oly.jpg)
I loved watching the keyboardist, he played with such ease and it was a pleasure to watch. Their music is so easy to get into and that's one thing I like about this band.
Here's a live clip I took:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDo5m0UscnY
Their music just makes me so damn happy.
There's nothing quite like seeing musicians from this distance. Bigger shows have some advantages too, but many times it doesn't get much better than this.
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I've seen really amazing jazz in both Queens NYC and in New Orleans...
I can't decide which was better.
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I'm enjoying some lovely Charlie Parker tonight. Been in a pretty good mood lately and this is hitting the spot quite nicely.
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Had a drive around the country side today, weather was perfect and so was the music I played:
(https://images37.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/188x188/CCD-4967-2.jpg)
(https://www.notreble.com/buzz/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/nathan-east-album-cover-300x300.jpg)
Two amazing records!!
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Anyone here listen to Fire! Orchestra? Their album Exit! is amazing. Experimental big band with female vocals. Weird stuff, but I love avant-garde jazz.
Here if you have 20 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqoBUuA8g1o
Bump for this.
I'm not listening to much music at all these days, but I have all the time in the world for this band (though the latter half of Exit! Part Two is too much for me, but that's the risk you take with avant-garde).
In case you're unaware, their new album, Enter!, comes out in a few days. It sounds like it could be even better than Exit! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKF5qjLBnCE
Been psyching myself up for it by going through the live renditions of Exit! on youtube.
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Everyone here should listen to Moon Hooch.
You wont regret it
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Man, this kid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n22vi9vVLo&feature=youtu.be
His amazing talent aside, the way he wanna lead and "talk" with the drummer is on another level. Pretty damn freaky to see a kid with such confident as a musician.
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I saw Snarky Puppy last night at the Berklee Performance Center; they were great, as could be expected. I love how much they change up their songs live (DT could take a leaf out of their book...).
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Just Chris Coleman shredding with some talented russian musicians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dHgtF6qnU
My god he's a beast! :metal
I saw Snarky Puppy last night at the Berklee Performance Center; they were great, as could be expected. I love how much they change up their songs live (DT could take a leaf out of their book...).
I love those guys! Would be awesome to see them live.
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I have to give it up for GoGo Penguin. Those guys managed to mix jazz with Aphex Twin-style electronic music. The drummer basically used the beat patterns of that genre to influence his rhythm patterns--he successfully pulls it off too. I can see why the band was a contender for the Mercury Prize in the UK.
They are also one of the tightest bands I've ever seen based on their performance at a recent Jools Holland show.
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I just watched that Jools Holland performance. That was awesome.
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Just came back from seeing Mezzoforte. Great as usual but not the best gig i've seen with them. Line up was:
Eythor Gunnarsson - Keyboard
Fridrik Karlsson - Guitar
Jonas Wall - Sax
Johann Asmundsson - Bass
Martin Valihora - Drums
Martin Valihora substituted for Gulli Briem on drums and he did a good job but didn't have the same groove and feel as Gulli to be honest. Competent drummer for sure but a bit to busy for my taste. Jonas Wall is a pleasure to listen to, his solos are really tasteful. Overall a good concert but not the best.
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Been listening to loads of Miles Davis lately, the man was a genius. Jazz in general is growing on me a lot, and I would say my AOTY so far might be Kamasi Washington - The Epic, a jazz album.
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Been listening to loads of Miles Davis lately, the man was a genius. Jazz in general is growing on me a lot, and I would say my AOTY so far might be Kamasi Washington - The Epic, a jazz album.
Miles is awesome. Haven't been on a Miles kick lately though. Should probably start one.
Right now I'm chilling to Joe Morello's Going Places......
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I have a hard time getting into jazz in general. I don't mind some of its elements on another kinds of music (sometimes it works really well), but tried some classic albums like A Love Supreme and Kind of Blue, and nothing.
Until I listened to BADBADNOTGOOD's III. Holy shit, this is an amazing record, and the fact that these musicians are so young just blows me away. It combines Jazz-fusion with instrumental hip-hop and the result is astonishing. At first it told me nothing, but listening closer it reveals me a deep layer of instrumentation and a great coherence, even when it all sounds like a jam. I'm loving it.
Just thought I'd recommend it here, but you might already be familiar with it :laugh: .
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Been listening to loads of Miles Davis lately, the man was a genius. Jazz in general is growing on me a lot, and I would say my AOTY so far might be Kamasi Washington - The Epic, a jazz album.
just came in here to hype the epic. that record is dope.
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Been listening to loads of Miles Davis lately, the man was a genius. Jazz in general is growing on me a lot, and I would say my AOTY so far might be Kamasi Washington - The Epic, a jazz album.
just came in here to hype the epic. that record is dope.
My AOTY for sure
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Sampling that album a bit, it does sound damn good. Will have to check it out.
My jazz listening is a proper slow trickle these days.
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Been listening to loads of Miles Davis lately, the man was a genius. Jazz in general is growing on me a lot, and I would say my AOTY so far might be Kamasi Washington - The Epic, a jazz album.
Adding that album to my to-listen-list; I need to get into jazz some more. Speaking of which, does anyone have any album recommendations? I just don't have that much jazz-listening experience yet and I have no idea where to start. Albums which I own/love are: Kind of Blue, a few late 50s/early 60s albums by Coltrane, Empyrean Isles, Time Out, A Love Supreme.
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Is that all you've heard, or are there albums you've heard and not liked/not liked so much?
Off the top of my head, some Jazz 101 albums you didn't mention (though as a disclaimer, jazz is kind of blessed and kind of cursed in that its most highly regarded albums are mostly quite experimental and often quite challenging ones, not that many are "easy" listens when you're new to the genre and still gaining your footing)
- Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - Moanin' - alongside Kind of Blue and Time Out, probably the most easily likable jazz album ever made.
- Something by Mingus. I started with Blues and Roots, and I still feel that was a very lucky choice. Mingus is pretty weird, yet at the same time extremely listenable
- Something by Monk, though I hate to admit I can't help you there, Monk is the gaping hole in my jazz library
- Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come, Free Jazz - basically the foundations of avant garde and free jazz. Shape of Jazz is baby steps compared to what came later, but was a big move in its day, and is a really cool listen now. Free Jazz is, well, free jazz.
- John Coltrane - Ascension - Coltrane jumping in the deep end after A Love Supreme. This album is quite blatantly Free Jazz 2, but the ideas have been extended a bit further, and it's also better.
- Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch - like Coleman's stuff, this is an awesome gateway avant garde album
- Pharoah Sanders - Karma - if Ascension is Free Jazz 2, then Karma is A Love Supreme 2. Again, some extension of ideas, though probably not better.
- Miles Davis - Bitches Brew, In A Silent Way - the albums that "broke" jazz and started fusion (a mix of jazz, rock, funk, "world" music, etc), though they're in a category of their own
- Herbie Hancock - Headhunters - funkiest jazz album ever
- Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame - blistering hard-rocking fusion album. I tried all the fusion I could, and pretty much nothing even touches this
and if there's one album from the last forty years to place alongside those ones, it would be Yoko Kanno and the Seatbelts' Cowboy Bebop Soundtrack 1.
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Been listening to loads of Miles Davis lately, the man was a genius. Jazz in general is growing on me a lot, and I would say my AOTY so far might be Kamasi Washington - The Epic, a jazz album.
Adding that album to my to-listen-list; I need to get into jazz some more. Speaking of which, does anyone have any album recommendations? I just don't have that much jazz-listening experience yet and I have no idea where to start. Albums which I own/love are: Kind of Blue, a few late 50s/early 60s albums by Coltrane, Empyrean Isles, Time Out, A Love Supreme.
For the Kind of Blue feel, I would recommend Blue Train (Coltrane) (which you may already have), Something Else (Cannonball Adderley), The Blues and the Abstract Truth (Oliver Nelson)
Bill Evans played on Kind of Blue and has several awesome albums - Waltz for Debby, Sunday at the Village Vanguard, Portrait in Jazz to name a few.
If you like Empyrean Isles, definitely pick up Maiden Voyage.
Some of the others I recommend (copied from a previous post of mine in this thread):
Giant Steps - John Coltrane
The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery
If you like the fusiony stuff, try Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Al Di Meola, etc.
For later fusion I would go with Chick Corea first and then most of the people that have been in his bands have their own solo discographies (Dave Weckl being my favorite).
For some music that gets a little wild, go for Charles Mingus or Thelonius Monk (Brilliant Corners) (not quite the same "wild", but different and interesting none the less)
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Thanks for the recommendations. I already own the Coltrane albums you suggested, but I'll try to check out the rest of your suggestions in the meantime.
EDIT: Wow, I missed Lothario's post. Thanks to you as well. Will listen to those!
And yes, the albums I listed are albums I like very much.
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I'd add BADBADNOTGOOD - III as a humble recommendation from someone who knows nothing about jazz, but loves that album :lol .
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I saw your post above about that. I might give it a try but generally I dislike hip-hop quite a bit so don't get your hopes up :lol
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I'm not into hip-hop either, and most of it I found it boring and repetitive. It's an instrumental album though, so the "hip-hop influences" are more on the rhythms and the "beats", and there are enough pianos and saxophones to appeal to jazz fans I guess :P
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it appears Ornette Coleman died today
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it appears Ornette Coleman died today
Damn! Very Sad. Was he ill?
I will break out The Complete Science Fiction Sessions now in his honor.
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Hi everyone! I watched Whiplash and was hooked by that type of more complex, orchestral jazz that makes up most of the soundtrack (is that known as big band jazz? Because the big band I had heard about before has a 1920s feeling, the songs from the movie sound more modern). I found a Buddy Rich concert in Montreal on Youtube that is kinda similar. Could anybody recommend any albums that have that kind of music? I´m essentially looking for something more complex and varied than the typical jazz quartet that follows the same structure again and again.
I would like to recommend the Stanton Moore trio, this is a great example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPchRYxSYV8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPchRYxSYV8) Please disregard the bass player´s ugly face :P
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I listened to a few tracks from that soundtrack and it sounds fairly traditional to me, just with modern production and more upfront drumming, which I'm guessing is the result of it being a film about a drummer and the fact that a lot of jazz has much more rock-oriented, in your face drumming these days.
I've gotten the impression that if I looked into the old school, "standard" big band, I wouldn't find a ton I'd love, but I like a lot of the "fringe" stuff, the big artists in their big band moments.
These are some albums in that vein I dig:
Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - this is basically the apex of big band music, and one of the peaks of all jazz. A forty minute suite dealing intimately with both Mingus' mental illness and the civil rights movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA0FYQo0Gg
There is also Mingus Big Band, a modern tribute group that takes Mingus' music and does much of it in much bigger arrangements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__OSyznVDOY
Coltrane - Ascension - this album is free jazz, not big band, but it's MASSIVE free jazz. It's big band ascending and transforming into something else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNbW6DLB14
Or if that's too abstract for you, try Africa/Brass, a mid-career Coltrane album that's less avant-garde, but, unlike most albums in that period, has a huge cast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjltzYpd4RM
Miles Davis and Gil Evans - Porgy and Bess, or Sketches of Spain. Gil Evans had a neat orchestral approach to jazz, and his albums with Miles are something very nice and unique. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7ftQBv6R8
Yoko Kanno and the Seatbelts - Cowboy Bebop - this album has some pretty big, snazzy arrangements https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meECq9NvPpc
And one of the best, most boundary-pushing jazz groups at the moment is big band - Fire! Orchestra. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpEF1nWCHrM
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Thanks! After reading your first comment about the soundtrack, I think it makes a lot of sense. I{ll check the albums you recommended, just added the Mingus album to my checklist. Thanks!
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Decided I couldn't pass up the chance to see Ginger Baker's Jazz Confusion. Comes at a really bad time with Rush in the area next week, but who needs food, right?
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I don't mind jazz fusion or whatever you call Larry Carlton / Dave Grusin / George Benson type stuff...
But I really cannot bear atonal experimental pretentious jazz.
Ever heard of Cecil Taylor ?
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I find the more experimental jazz is much more interesting and rewarding when it’s good, but very hit or miss - I’ll listen to one supposed classic and even though it’s weird as hell, it clicks immediately; I’ll listen to another and even after multiple listens, remain completely baffled.
The only thing I’ve heard with Cecil Taylor was the original Jazz Composers Orchestra. His style is pretty abrasive and out there.
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To make a symphony orchestra, big band, choir sync and swing together well is not something you should take for granted. John Wilson orchestra does a splendid job though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK1_Jsk9B9Y
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just bought tickets to see kamasi washington a week from today. so pumped rite now. i hope thundercat is there.
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I was flipping through channels yesterday night when I came across Wynton Marsalis and his band performing at Abbey Road studios, tearing it up fierce. I've forgotten how good his compositions are and how tight his band can be. It was a nice reminder about how much I'm a fan of his work.
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just bought tickets to see kamasi washington a week from today. so pumped rite now. i hope thundercat is there.
Been slowly making my way through The Epic, and honestly, at this point, it’s not doing that much for me.
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It's AOTY without a doubt
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And see, I think the hype for the album is part of what’s killed it for me. I listened to it expecting to hear “the next big thing in jazz”. All I hear is a pretty good late era Sanders album.
Plus, let’s be honest here. This is three albums under one title. It’s the equivalent of Miles Davis releasing Cookin’, Relaxin’, Workin’ and Steamin’ under one title and being like “whoa, biggest baddest jazz album ever”.
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I know some people consider it 3 albums but I don't really get that. But I've only ever listened to it in one sitting, so I haven't experienced it any other way. There are some great recurring themes that overlaps and returns later in the album, so there's definitely continuity to it. I'd definitely count this as one album (because it was released as one) just the same way I count Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence as one album, because that's how it was released.
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The discs are literally titled Volume 1/2/3 and have separate names though. And I can only see releasing it all under one album as a ploy to make some kind of grand statement (The EPIC man, whoa, how epic).
It’s either three albums, or one insanely bloated album. Regardless, the project suffers from being an enormous overindulgent ego trip.
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so i saw kamasi a couple days ago, and he blew my mind. holy shiiiiiiiiit. it was so gooooooood. i got to meet him afterwards and he was the chillest dude. also got to meet one of my favorite drummers ronald bruner jr, so that was icing on the cake. it was such a fantastic night.
i don't feel like the epic is bloated at all. i don't think he intended for it to be one big album, but that's just how it ended up. this was the culmination of nearly a decade of work. they recorded in 2011 after a few years of writing, and finally put it out this year, and they probably felt like this was the best way to do it at this point.
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Tower of Power Horn Clinic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxYnB-elBxg)
Found this nice video of ToPs horn section in action during a clinic. The Doc rules! :lol
Another one a bit more in your face (https://youtu.be/T8zPK-BVWq0)
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so i saw kamasi a couple days ago, and he blew my mind. holy shiiiiiiiiit. it was so gooooooood. i got to meet him afterwards and he was the chillest dude. also got to meet one of my favorite drummers ronald bruner jr, so that was icing on the cake. it was such a fantastic night.
i don't feel like the epic is bloated at all. i don't think he intended for it to be one big album, but that's just how it ended up. this was the culmination of nearly a decade of work. they recorded in 2011 after a few years of writing, and finally put it out this year, and they probably felt like this was the best way to do it at this point.
I will probably see him when he comes here in a month or two (November I think), really stoked. The Epic is not only my favorite album of the year, but I would say it is up there among my favorite Jazz albums. Sure, I'm not as deep into the genre as some, and my knowledge is limited to only the bigger names so far, but I truly love The Epic that much. It covers so much ground and pulls off the various jazz styles so perfectly.
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yeah. it's fantastic. probably my fav jazz album of all time.
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Tower of Power Horn Clinic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxYnB-elBxg)
Found this nice video of ToPs horn section in action during a clinic. The Doc rules! :lol
Another one a bit more in your face (https://youtu.be/T8zPK-BVWq0)
simply the best. The amount of talent that has been a part of that horn section through the years is unbelievable.
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Listening to almost nothing but jazz at the moment. While in a jazz phase again, I'm gonna start filling in the cracks with some of the classics I still haven't gotten around to. Just bought:
Max Roach - We Insist!
Monk - Monk's Music, Brilliant Corners, Genius of Modern Music (Monk is the gaping hole in my jazz collection at the moment)
Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else
Mingus - Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus
And an album from one of my favourite current jazz groups, Angles.
Also, I checked out Bill Evans' Waltz for Debby recently, and wasn't a fan. I like my jazz big and raucous, for the most part. It just felt like the skeleton of a jazz recording to me, like someone forgot to record the sax or trumpet or whatever.
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That Cannonball record is pure gold.
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That Cannonball record is pure gold.
most definitely. Top 10 jazz album for me.
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I listened to that album tonight, it did sound damn good. Interesting that on Cannonball's album, Miles takes the lead in a good number of the songs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuKJkghC2u0
This is hilarious. Comedian who can't play piano hires a jazz band and records an album with them.
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he was actually playing some things that made me think of Thelonious Monk :lol
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Wait, so that's not how you play jazz? :neverusethis:
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IT ALL SOUNDS THE SAME
he was actually playing some things that made me think of Thelonious Monk :lol
Cecil Taylor here.
Can you imagine what the other dudes were thinking when he started playing?
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Monk, Taylor, Davis, Coltrane, Mingus and Coleman :metal
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IT ALL SOUNDS THE SAME
Once you listen to a jazz song you've listened to them all, right? :P
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Listening to Michel Camilos One More Once. 'Why Not' just makes me smile everytime, so damn groovy and joyful.
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Listening to Michel Camilos One More Once. 'Why Not' just makes me smile everytime, so damn groovy and joyful.
I have his Rendezvous album. I keep waffling on if I should just sell it or not. It's not a bad album, but I probably don't give it the love it deserves. Haven't listened to it in more than a year.
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kamasi's working an a new album (and a graphic novel apparently).
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kamasi's working an a new album (and a graphic novel apparently).
Another 3 hour album? :p
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I know some people consider it 3 albums but I don't really get that. But I've only ever listened to it in one sitting, so I haven't experienced it any other way. There are some great recurring themes that overlaps and returns later in the album, so there's definitely continuity to it. I'd definitely count this as one album (because it was released as one) just the same way I count Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence as one album, because that's how it was released.
Went through a YouTube rabbit hole with his music last weekend. Damn, I was impressed! I prefer listening to The Epic in tiny, digestible bits. Good to know that he's already working on a new one.
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Listening to Michel Camilos One More Once. 'Why Not' just makes me smile everytime, so damn groovy and joyful.
I dig his piano albums and all, but One More Once is just so outrageously groovy. Easily my favourite thing I've heard from him.
Anyone else checked out Hiromi's new album? Pretty much what you'd expect, but some really great stuff on it.
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Hiromi's new album is good, but the trio stuff is starting to get kind of formulaic for me. I loved Move, didn't care for the one after, this one is better but I feel like it isn't really anything I haven't heard before still.
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Voice was so so great and yeah Move was very good but I agree, it's got a bit formulaic. Top notch stuff, but doesn't excite me much anymore.
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I don't know if I'd consider it just "jazz" as they have a ton of other influences, but any Snarky Puppy fans on this board? This thread seemed to be the best place to mention them.
For those who haven't, I definitely recommend checking them out. They have some of the best musicians around, in any style.
Anyway, their new album just came out and it has some pretty cool stuff on it. Definitely a different vibe to their live-recorded stuff, but very nice regardless.
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I would say Snarky Puppy belong here, yeah, they're basically jazz. And they're great, though I'm mostly familiar with their live outputs rather than their studio albums. We Like It Here is SOOOOOOO good!
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I would say Snarky Puppy belong here, yeah, they're basically jazz. And they're great, though I'm mostly familiar with their live outputs rather than their studio albums. We Like It Here is SOOOOOOO good!
Agreed, that album is great all the way through. I've only listened to their older studio albums once each probably as I prefer the live ones too, but this new one is excellent even though it's a studio recording.
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Loving their new album, as well as the Family Dinner disc they put out earlier this year. Probably the best current Jazz ensemble out there right now.
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Dennis Chambers: Tipitinas - with Mike Stern - 2015 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gc-0t1BXKo&feature=share)
What happens at 4:15 is just insane, Dennis just totally freaks out but Mike and Kennedy just keeps on together like glue. Even me who calls myself a drummer have a hard time finding the beat. :lol
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New Fire! Orchestra is, of course, absolutely goddamn brilliant, though not quite as good as their last one.
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Listening to one of Pat Metheny's newest albums "Cuong Vu Trio Meets Pat Metheny" and it is one of the darkest albums I've ever heard. It sounds like 70s King Crimson and 70s Miles Davis blended with Pat's signature sound. Quite a contrast to much of Pat's upbeat, celebratory music. This is some cool jazz, man. I don't know if you can even call it jazz. Quite an interesting album. Go in with zero expectations.
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Listening to one of Pat Metheny's newest albums "Cuong Vu Trio Meets Pat Metheny" and it is one of the darkest albums I've ever heard. It sounds like 70s King Crimson and 70s Miles Davis blended with Pat's signature sound. Quite a contrast to much of Pat's upbeat, celebratory music. This is some cool jazz, man. I don't know if you can even call it jazz. Quite an interesting album. Go in with zero expectations.
Didn't even know Pat released a new album, awesome. Will have to check this out. I've really enjoyed Vu's involvement on the last few PMG albums...he has a very unique style.
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Listening to one of Pat Metheny's newest albums "Cuong Vu Trio Meets Pat Metheny" and it is one of the darkest albums I've ever heard. It sounds like 70s King Crimson and 70s Miles Davis blended with Pat's signature sound. Quite a contrast to much of Pat's upbeat, celebratory music. This is some cool jazz, man. I don't know if you can even call it jazz. Quite an interesting album. Go in with zero expectations.
Didn't even know Pat released a new album, awesome. Will have to check this out. I've really enjoyed Vu's involvement on the last few PMG albums...he has a very unique style.
Pat released at least 4 albums in 2016 so far:
The Unity Sessions
Live: Montreal '89
Cuong Vu Trio Meets Pat Metheny
Shift (Logan Richardson album w/ Pat on every track)
and one in 2015
Hommage a Eberhard Weber
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Miles Davis-Bitches Brew- One of the GREATEST music ever made.
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Can you believe I've never listened to that? That's changing right now. I'm listening to it on Spotify. I'm already entranced by the first song. It has this hauntingly beautiful mood to it. I also love that John McLaughlin plays on it, probably one of the greatest to pick up the instrument.
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Dude an incredible album and McLaughlin is tha man
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I'm slowly realizing that.
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Miles is the bluesy jazz. If u like horn/trumpet players check out Maynard Ferguson. upbeat jazz and the dude can play a high note like nobody ever
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If you like big band jazz and Phil Collins, check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wz-H8AIFbM
My brother in law is in the trombone section :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Fc2i0lYd4
Maynard.
And Splent. Saw that tour Splendid is an understatement. I give that album a spin often.
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If you like big band jazz and Phil Collins, check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wz-H8AIFbM
My brother in law is in the trombone section :)
That is awesome. As a former trumpet player I always appreciated a good horn section.
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I met Maynard a few times, lets say I was in awe
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kTd9uSVvjE
La Fiesta..............nuff said
Most bad ass jazz song ever done
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People have no idea how hard it is to hit that high a note on a trumpet
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So I've been digging Bohren & der Club of Gore quite a lot these last months - both Sunset Mission and Black Earth are amazing, really unique take on jazz that I love. Probably because these guys were in hardcore/grindcore bands before going full dark jazz :lol
Also, new compilation is out, "Bohren for Beginners", and includes new song Der Angler which is excellent - guitars are back :o
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I don't know what album it was, but when I tried those guys out, I found myself literally counting the seconds between each time the drummer tapped the hi-hat because there was just nothing else to hold my attention. I took it as a sign and moved on.
Aside from the new Fire! Orchestra, the only jazz I've listened to lately is tons of Nina Simone. Oh, and Eric Dolphy's Out to Lunch made it onto my iPod for some reason.
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You probably tried either Black Earth or Geisterfaust - the last one is really, really slow. Go with Sunset Mission, definitely not that slow-paced, most songs are pretty direct and don't take much time building up or whatever. Dunno, I just love their sound :corn
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Dave Weckl and Tom Kennedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkiWTvhVsE)
Two masters trading solos. It's so cool to see how well synced they are together and how well they listen and play of eachother rythms and licks.
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That was excellent.
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goodness. Those guys are soooo good.
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Dave Weckl and Tom Kennedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkiWTvhVsE)
Two masters trading solos. It's so cool to see how well synced they are together and how well they listen and play of eachother rythms and licks.
Have a bunch of Weckl albums but nothing by Kennedy. Worth further investigation.
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Dave Weckl and Tom Kennedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkiWTvhVsE)
Two masters trading solos. It's so cool to see how well synced they are together and how well they listen and play of eachother rythms and licks.
Have a bunch of Weckl albums but nothing by Kennedy. Worth further investigation.
He's played on most of Weckls solo albums as far as i'm aware. He's played with a ton of people but I guess he's most known for what he's done with Weckl and Mike Stern.
He's amazing, i've seen him live once with Dave Weckl Band and he's an amazing player. I remember one time during one of his bass solos, he was deep into a fast part and suddenly he started to talk with Weckl about something and all of a sudden they bursted out laughing and all that happened during his solo while his hands just kept on playing like nothing. He was so incredibly relaxed, i've never seen anything like it.
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Dave Weckl and Tom Kennedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkiWTvhVsE)
Two masters trading solos. It's so cool to see how well synced they are together and how well they listen and play of eachother rythms and licks.
Have a bunch of Weckl albums but nothing by Kennedy. Worth further investigation.
He's played on most of Weckls solo albums as far as i'm aware. He's played with a ton of people but I guess he's most known for what he's done with Weckl and Mike Stern.
He's amazing, i've seen him live once with Dave Weckl Band and he's an amazing player. I remember one time during one of his bass solos, he was deep into a fast part and suddenly he started to talk with Weckl about something and all of a sudden they bursted out laughing and all that happened during his solo while his hands just kept on playing like nothing. He was so incredibly relaxed, i've never seen anything like it.
I should probably know that but the last one I listened to was Hard Wired and he's not on that one. But that was album from like '94 of something so maybe he wasn't on Weckl's earlier records?
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Have a bunch of Weckl albums but nothing by Kennedy. Worth further investigation.
He's played on most (or all, not sure) of Weckl's albums.
Sidenote, while Dave Weckl is no doubt an amazing drummer and one of my favorites, the best albums of his are always with Jay Oliver on keyboards. The others I just can't get into. I'm not sure how much input Oliver has on the songs (I think they composed most together) but the style is much different from the DWB albums without him. He is one of the most underrated keyboardists out there in my opinion, along with Eli Winderman.
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Honestly i'm not that into Weckls solo stuff, there's some cool stuff of course but for me i'm more a fan of his style of drumming. I'm more into the albums he did with Michel Camilo and Chick Corea.
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Honestly i'm not that into Weckls solo stuff, there's some cool stuff of course but for me i'm more a fan of his style of drumming. I'm more into the albums he did with Michel Camilo and Chick Corea.
That's how I discovered him...through those Corea GRP albums. He's also the reason why I got Rendezvous though Camilo is probably the reason I still have it.
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Speaking of, here's a great interview with Weckl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_1HUcHUqkw&feature=youtu.be
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I just love this, the way they play of eachother and have fun and later joins together in Armando's Rumba. They're so well synced together it's amazing.
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Armando's Rumba (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSjLkj0VMw&feature=youtu.be)
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Saw Mezzoforte tonight celebrating their 40 year anniversary. Can't beleive they been around for so long, their drummer hasn't aged one bit. Funky and tight as always, they also had a singer doing some tunes and honestly it lifted the band to new heights. :tup
(https://scontent.fgse1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/22323609_919795461504525_158032599_o.jpg?oh=b61b850845dcec74e9a01a9a99954e48&oe=59DBDB61)
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Jeff Goldblum & The Mildred Snitzer Orchestra feat. Haley Reinhart - My Baby Just Cares (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLfTyr5jWns)
Jeff :lol :rollin :tup
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Jeff Goldblum & The Mildred Snitzer Orchestra feat. Haley Reinhart - My Baby Just Cares (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLfTyr5jWns)
Jeff :lol :rollin :tup
I'm waiting for his duet with William Shatner.
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Oz Noy's "Chocolate Souffle" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLx3LaAA9oo&fbclid=IwAR0lreWKEj1Ha-xOc6u5mAoaPor8qxKlcT29bX0ipRmX5EmjuQsbvOsAcaA)
Holy polyrythm! That guitar riff/line is just out of this world. It's just floats there independently from everything. :lol That guitar solo is so tasty though.
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Oz Noy's "Chocolate Souffle" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLx3LaAA9oo&fbclid=IwAR0lreWKEj1Ha-xOc6u5mAoaPor8qxKlcT29bX0ipRmX5EmjuQsbvOsAcaA)
Holy polyrythm! That guitar riff/line is just out of this world. It's just floats there independently from everything. :lol That guitar solo is so tasty though.
Love that loose lazy feel to the main guitar melody.
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Oz Noy's "Chocolate Souffle" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLx3LaAA9oo&fbclid=IwAR0lreWKEj1Ha-xOc6u5mAoaPor8qxKlcT29bX0ipRmX5EmjuQsbvOsAcaA)
Holy polyrythm! That guitar riff/line is just out of this world. It's just floats there independently from everything. :lol That guitar solo is so tasty though.
Love that loose lazy feel to the main guitar melody.
Yea it's really wicked, it just throws you off but at the same time I can't stop listening to it. With Vinnies soft and steady jazz groove under it just works so great. Love the part when Vinnes starts playing on all 4 beats under the bass solo, it's so calming.
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Oz Noy's "Chocolate Souffle" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLx3LaAA9oo&fbclid=IwAR0lreWKEj1Ha-xOc6u5mAoaPor8qxKlcT29bX0ipRmX5EmjuQsbvOsAcaA)
Holy polyrythm! That guitar riff/line is just out of this world. It's just floats there independently from everything. :lol That guitar solo is so tasty though.
Well that got my attention. Thanks for posting that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuKJkghC2u0
This is hilarious. Comedian who can't play piano hires a jazz band and records an album with them.
That is really funny! :)
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So after getting my feet wet with jazz over the last year or so I bought these albums. Really enjoy them all. This thread has been a bit quiet lately but wanted to chime in.
Lee Morgan Sidewinder
Ahmad Jamal...Perishing
Miles Davis...Kind of Blue
Art Blakely and Messengers Moanin
Coultrane...Love Supreme
Mingus...Black Saint and .Blue Root
Monk...Corners
Dave Brubek...timeout
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If you are into more contemporary stuff as well, I recommend this young band from Chicago called Cordoba - I discovered them a few days ago, and really enjoying their music. (Some of their songs also have elements of progressive/psychedelic rock.)
Last month, the band set up a crowdfunding campaign in order to finance their first LP and some videos. I just contributed, and they are now at 71% of their goal. :) Pretty sweet, but they only have two more weeks to come up with the rest. So, I figured I'd help them spreading the word as well.
So, if you can, please check out and/or share the following link: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/outcry--4#/
Their website is http://cordobaband.com/
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If you are into more contemporary stuff as well, I recommend this young band from Chicago called Cordoba - I discovered them a few days ago, and really enjoying their music. (Some of their songs also have elements of progressive/psychedelic rock.)
Last month, the band set up a crowdfunding campaign in order to finance their first LP and some videos. I just contributed, and they are now at 71% of their goal. :) Pretty sweet, but they only have two more weeks to come up with the rest. So, I figured I'd help them spreading the word as well.
So, if you can, please check out and/or share the following link: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/outcry--4#/
Their website is http://cordobaband.com/
Looking at my taste so far I think I don't even get into any albums from the 70's
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So after getting my feet wet with jazz over the last year or so I bought these albums. Really enjoy them all. This thread has been a bit quiet lately but wanted to chime in.
Lee Morgan Sidewinder
Ahmad Jamal...Perishing
Miles Davis...Kind of Blue
Art Blakely and Messengers Moanin
Coultrane...Love Supreme
Mingus...Black Saint and .Blue Root
Monk...Corners
Dave Brubek...timeout
Can't speak for the Lee Morgan, Jamal and Blakely, but I enjoy the other ones.
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Larnell Lewis, such an amazing drummer. Here he's toying away in his solo spot, playing on anything. When's the last time you've seen someone play on the cymbal screws? :lol
https://youtu.be/Jd1X5JWaGgQ?t=356
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Larnell Lewis, such an amazing drummer. Here he's toying away in his solo spot, playing on anything. When's the last time you've seen someone play on the cymbal screws? :lol
https://youtu.be/Jd1X5JWaGgQ?t=356
Great solo. Thank you!
I have been into Vijay Iyer the last two weeks since I saw them live. Amazing drummer Jeremy Dutton. Love their style of music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYHf-hEz_-o
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Larnell Lewis, such an amazing drummer. Here he's toying away in his solo spot, playing on anything. When's the last time you've seen someone play on the cymbal screws? :lol
https://youtu.be/Jd1X5JWaGgQ?t=356
One of my favorite drummers of all time. Maybe my favorite. Such a large vocabulary along with the knowledge of when (and when not!) to use it. The dude is so creative and never stops experimenting and learning.
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Larnell Lewis, such an amazing drummer. Here he's toying away in his solo spot, playing on anything. When's the last time you've seen someone play on the cymbal screws? :lol
https://youtu.be/Jd1X5JWaGgQ?t=356
One of my favorite drummers of all time. Maybe my favorite. Such a large vocabulary along with the knowledge of when (and when not!) to use it. The dude is so creative and never stops experimenting and learning.
I definitely need to learn more. Thanks.
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Larnell Lewis, such an amazing drummer. Here he's toying away in his solo spot, playing on anything. When's the last time you've seen someone play on the cymbal screws? :lol
https://youtu.be/Jd1X5JWaGgQ?t=356
One of my favorite drummers of all time. Maybe my favorite. Such a large vocabulary along with the knowledge of when (and when not!) to use it. The dude is so creative and never stops experimenting and learning.
Yea he's really great, I know he started as a gospel drummer but he's not like every other of the 1000s gospelchops drummers out there, he's more than that. I think one of the best clips i've seen where you can see his range as a drummer is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BblThE8ZZIo
The roll he does att 2:00 that leads into the verse is so tasty and how he really brings down the volume. :tup That kit also sounds acoustically amazing btw.
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Yea he's really great, I know he started as a gospel drummer but he's not like every other of the 1000s gospelchops drummers out there, he's more than that. I think one of the best clips i've seen where you can see his range as a drummer is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BblThE8ZZIo
The roll he does att 2:00 that leads into the verse is so tasty and how he really brings down the volume. :tup That kit also sounds acoustically amazing btw.
I have no idea how I missed that performance. Absolutely insane. That is a drumming masterclass.
And yes, those drums sound killer. I'm not really a fan of Zildjian, at least not the modern ones. But those drums, especially the snare, are perfectly tuned for this style.
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Dave Weckl Band: "Big B Little B" LIVE 2019 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5A5EGwJdxs)
Maybe not everyones cup of tea but I will always admire Dave's drumming and Tom Kennedy, love the basslines!
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Dave Weckl Band: "Big B Little B" LIVE 2019 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5A5EGwJdxs)
Maybe not everyones cup of tea but I will always admire Dave's drumming and Tom Kennedy, love the basslines!
Thanks.
Love Dave Weckl, but I haven't heard anything new by him on about 5 years.
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What's on everyone's radar lately?
I've been going back and forth between ECM style jazz albums when not listening to other music.
But I'm starting to get that jazz-fusion itch, but I want to hear new stuff (or old stuff I've never heard.)
and I've heard most, if not all, the classics from the 70s, I think.
I've come to really appreciate jazz from the 80s/early 90s particularly jazz-fusion or anything that wasn't going backwards to the 50s/60s as a lot of players did in this time period. I would like to hear more stuff from that era, besides newer stuff.
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I've been enjoying Tigran Hamasyan's work lately, in particular his last album.
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What's on everyone's radar lately?
I've been listening to Cordoba, a young band from Chicago, Illinois. I strongly recommend them. They fuse jazz with elements of other genres, such as hip-hop and punk. Last Halloween, they released their first LP, called Specter. They've also released three EPs.
Here's their website, with links to their Bandcamp and social media pages: https://cordobaband.com
Here's a video of them playing a song off their LP: https://youtu.be/iX-61Pqoy2c
I got to interview them last year; here's a link, in case you wish to watch: https://youtu.be/XTCqUBe7dG8
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Rest in Peace Davis Wilson, 84, Twin Cities Jazz Fanatic and Doorman/Emcee/Curator at 1 of my Favorite local Venues, THE ARTIST QUARTER, that sadly closed a few years ago, and since been bought-by and redone by another group.
http://jazzpolice.com/event/rip-we-were-always-pleased-and-flipped-to-be-with-davis-wilson?fbclid=IwAR2wsGwE2V65Yj8g4avpBe-5hu4rCpAnnIlSKeiRP8AebfjHQ9QVPQBJsK8
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What's on everyone's radar lately?
I've been going back and forth between ECM style jazz albums when not listening to other music.
But I'm starting to get that jazz-fusion itch, but I want to hear new stuff (or old stuff I've never heard.)
and I've heard most, if not all, the classics from the 70s, I think.
I've come to really appreciate jazz from the 80s/early 90s particularly jazz-fusion or anything that wasn't going backwards to the 50s/60s as a lot of players did in this time period. I would like to hear more stuff from that era, besides newer stuff.
Haven't really been on a jazz-fusion kick lately. Still trying to play catch up with new releases. I think the last album I listened to was Stanley Jordan's Bolero.
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Chick Corea Akoustic Band - "Humpty-Dumpty" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhBamw_cRys&ab_channel=ChickCorea)
Just superb! :heart
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Been listening to a lot of Chick Corea-related music lately.
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Me too man! :tup
I found this clip where he did harmonies live with an audience, kinda cool: Chick Corea Trio @Tchaikovsky Hall "Spain" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYbc3RtnFo&ab_channel=Jazz.RuMagazineVideoChannel)
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I love playing Mallet instruments but i've never really ventured into jazz improv on Vibes, I would love to take the plunge one day and get into it. Anyway, watching someone like Gary Burton making it look so easy is a treat. He's so right that Mallet instruments are so visual to look at compared to other instruments, never really thought about it that way.
Gary Burton: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXjfvEcAV6w&ab_channel=NPRMusic)
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Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Crystal Silence
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Duet
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - In Concert, Zürich, October 28, 1979
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Lyric Suite For Sextet
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - The New Crystal Silence
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Hot House
Gary Burton, Chick Corea, Pat Metheny, Dave Holland, Roy Haynes - Like Minds
All pretty great albums. Big fan of the Like Minds album. Great sunny afternoon album.
Speaking of which, Bill Connors was the guitarist on Hymn of The Seventh Galaxy, who was eventually replaced by Al Di Meloa on the next 3 albums.
When Connors left RTF, he put out 3 great albums on ECM in the 70s, two solo records Theme To The Guardian, and Swimming with a Hole in My Body, all very nice and chill solo guitar albums; and Of Mist and Melting, with Gary Peacock, Jan Garbarek, and Jack DeJohnette, which is a particular favorite of mine. Highly recommended album if you're looking for some dead-serious jazz.
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Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Crystal Silence
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Duet
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - In Concert, Zürich, October 28, 1979
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Lyric Suite For Sextet
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - The New Crystal Silence
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Hot House
Gary Burton, Chick Corea, Pat Metheny, Dave Holland, Roy Haynes - Like Minds
All pretty great albums. Big fan of the Like Minds album. Great sunny afternoon album.
Speaking of which, Bill Connors was the guitarist on Hymn of The Seventh Galaxy, who was eventually replaced by Al Di Meloa on the next 3 albums.
When Connors left RTF, he put out 3 great albums on ECM in the 70s, two solo records Theme To The Guardian, and Swimming with a Hole in My Body, all very nice and chill solo guitar albums; and Of Mist and Melting, with Gary Peacock, Jan Garbarek, and Jack DeJohnette, which is a particular favorite of mine. Highly recommended album if you're looking for some dead-serious jazz.
Only know of Conners' work with Return To Forever. Don't know about his solo work.
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Bump for Charlie Hunter, been digging into his earlier albums lately. Nice latin-groove funky jazz.
and some other albums
Charlie Hunter Trio - Bing Bing Bing!
Charlie Hunter - Ready...Set...Shango!
Charlie Hunter - Natty Dread
Gary Burton - Tennessee Firebird (Jazz/country-fusion, predates jazz-rock/fusion)
John Scofield - Who's Who
Chick Corea - Trilogy
Steps Ahead - Steps Ahead (1983 album feat. Michael Brecker, Eddie Gomez, Peter Erskine, Elaine Elias)
Alex Skolnick Trio - Goodbye to Romance: Standards for a New Generation
Chick Corea - Voyage
Charlie Hunter - Return of the Candyman
Charlie Hunter - Duo
Stanton Moore - All Kooked Out
Marc Farina - Mushroom Jazz 8
Garage a Trois - Mysteryfunk
Charlie Hunter - Charlie Hunter
Terje Rypdal/David Darling - Eos
Stan Getz, Joăo Gilberto - Getz/Gilberto
Stanton Moore - Flyin' the Koop
Charlie Hunter - Songs from the Analog Playground
Charlie Hunter - Right Now Move
Charlie Hunter Trio - Friends Seen and Unseen
Charlie Hunter Trio - Copperopolis
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I recently bought two Charles Mingus albums and a copy of The Essential Miles Davis.
So far, my favourite song on the compilation is "Nefertiti". At one point, one of the guys (I'm assuming it's Davis) starts playing the melody a little later - as if he was imitating the delay effect. Sounds awesome to me.
Anyone have any cool similar moments (RE: rhythm, tempo, time signatures) to recommend? From Davis or anyone else.
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Mushroom Jazz 10.5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xg9hxZsWT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xg9hxZsWT0)
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I recently bought two Charles Mingus albums and a copy of The Essential Miles Davis.
So far, my favourite song on the compilation is "Nefertiti". At one point, one of the guys (I'm assuming it's Davis) starts playing the melody a little later - as if he was imitating the delay effect. Sounds awesome to me.
Anyone have any cool similar moments (RE: rhythm, tempo, time signatures) to recommend? From Davis or anyone else.
All I can say is check out any Miles Davis album that was recorded between 1966-1975. He did all kinds of cool things like that.
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All I can say is check out any Miles Davis album that was recorded between 1966-1975. He did all kinds of cool things like that.
Thanks! I'll see what I can find around here.
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I recently bought two Charles Mingus albums and a copy of The Essential Miles Davis.
So far, my favourite song on the compilation is "Nefertiti". At one point, one of the guys (I'm assuming it's Davis) starts playing the melody a little later - as if he was imitating the delay effect. Sounds awesome to me.
Anyone have any cool similar moments (RE: rhythm, tempo, time signatures) to recommend? From Davis or anyone else.
All I can say is check out any Miles Davis album that was recorded between 1966-1975. He did all kinds of cool things like that.
That right there is my Miles Davis wheelhouse. I like his work before and after that, but that's the era I really enjoy the most.
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I recently bought two Charles Mingus albums and a copy of The Essential Miles Davis.
So far, my favourite song on the compilation is "Nefertiti". At one point, one of the guys (I'm assuming it's Davis) starts playing the melody a little later - as if he was imitating the delay effect. Sounds awesome to me.
Anyone have any cool similar moments (RE: rhythm, tempo, time signatures) to recommend? From Davis or anyone else.
All I can say is check out any Miles Davis album that was recorded between 1966-1975. He did all kinds of cool things like that.
That right there is my Miles Davis wheelhouse. I like his work before and after that, but that's the era I really enjoy the most.
Same. So many great albums in that time period, but really it's all good. His work from the 50s through the 60s is legendary, of course, and I am a big fan of his 80s/90s work. But there's something intriguing about the 66-75 period, just genre-defying music everywhere.
It's amazing the progression his music took and how influential it is, and how modern it is, especially once you get into the 70s albums. The world is still trying to catch up to In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew, Jack Johnson, Live-Evil, On The Corner, Big Fun, Get Up With It, Dark Magus, Agharta, and Pangaea, and the 3rd 'Lost' Great Quintet albums. What is that music???
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I recently bought two Charles Mingus albums and a copy of The Essential Miles Davis.
So far, my favourite song on the compilation is "Nefertiti". At one point, one of the guys (I'm assuming it's Davis) starts playing the melody a little later - as if he was imitating the delay effect. Sounds awesome to me.
Anyone have any cool similar moments (RE: rhythm, tempo, time signatures) to recommend? From Davis or anyone else.
All I can say is check out any Miles Davis album that was recorded between 1966-1975. He did all kinds of cool things like that.
That right there is my Miles Davis wheelhouse. I like his work before and after that, but that's the era I really enjoy the most.
Same. So many great albums in that time period, but really it's all good. His work from the 50s through the 60s is legendary, of course, and I am a big fan of his 80s/90s work. But there's something intriguing about the 66-75 period, just genre-defying music everywhere.
It's amazing the progression his music took and how influential it is, and how modern it is, especially once you get into the 70s albums. The world is still trying to catch up to In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew, Jack Johnson, Live-Evil, On The Corner, Big Fun, Get Up With It, Dark Magus, Agharta, and Pangaea, and the 3rd 'Lost' Great Quintet albums. What is that music???
I'm still like that sometimes too with that music.
The late '80s to early '90s studio work doesn't resonate with me so much as it seems to me that he was distracted by that point although there was some innovation going on there too.
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One of the more often overlooked jazz artists is guitarist Emily Remler, who had a unique tone and exquisite phrasing. It's a shame that her substance abuse issues got the best of her at far too young an age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXvy-EdbgD0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXvy-EdbgD0)
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Played my first "jazz" gig last week. I think I did alright! There 3 three horns, a drummer, and a bassist, as well as a keyboard, so not really a high pressure situation on guitar. If I didn't know a tune or the changes, I just kind of colored the song a bit with some texture stuff, but even if I did, I tended to stay out of the keyboard's way.
I think my weakness was really the times I took a chorus on anything other than a blues, though. When I keep up with the changes, I still struggle with coming up with some kind of idea for how what I'm going for.
Anyone who could share some of their favorite jazz guitar players, feel free! I could use some ideas for sure :biggrin:
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That's awesome! Jazz is one of my weaknesses as a drummer, love to play it but I don't have the flow around the kit that I would like too. I need to do more live gigs.
I have a constant nightmare to accept a gig without knowing it's a bigband and showing up with 30 people excepting you to nail every hit in the music while dancing around the kit like Buddy Rich. :| :D
I was thinking of who I know of the modern jazz guitarists today and realised I don't know of many at all.
I found this list of known guitarist today. Maybe you could find some inspiration there.
Peter Bernstein
Recommended Peter Bernstein album: Signs of Life
Pasquale Grasso
Recommended Pasquale Grasso album: Solo Standards Vol 1
Mary Halvorson
Recommended Mary Halvorson album: The Anthony Braxton Project
Gilad Hekselman
Recommended Gilad Hekselman album: Homes
Julian Lage
Recommended Julian Lage album: Love Hurts
Jaume Llombart
Recommended Jaume Llombart album: Solo
Lionel Loueke
Recommend Lionel Loueke album: Karibu
Lage Lund
Recommended Lage Lund album: Terrible Animals
Kurt Rosenwinkel
Recommended Kurt Rosenwinkel album: Reflections
Jesse Van Ruller
Recommended Jesse Van Ruller album: Here And There
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New Miles Davis album, "The Lost Concert" released today, the 30th anniversary of his death, is a rare performance of Miles playing newer and older tunes, featuring Kenny Garrett, Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, John McLaughlin, Dave Holland, John Scofield, Joe Zawinul, and more.
https://www.mnprmagazine.com/news/miles-davis-the-lost-concert-double-cd-30th-anniversary-edition-completes-lost-trilogy/ (https://www.mnprmagazine.com/news/miles-davis-the-lost-concert-double-cd-30th-anniversary-edition-completes-lost-trilogy/)
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Some tasty funky in the pocket drummin with Stanley Randolph and a killer band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raja1uKoZHc&ab_channel=VicFirth
That vocalist is doing something to me, her voice just pierce my soul. :heart
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Some tasty funky in the pocket drummin with Stanley Randolph and a killer band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raja1uKoZHc&ab_channel=VicFirth
That vocalist is doing something to me, her voice just pierce my soul. :heart
That is one of the funkiest jams I've heard lately. :hat
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Satan's trousers. Amazing!
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Just saw this cool article on Bandcamp, showcasing some great bands combining jazz and metal.
https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/jazz-metal-list (https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/jazz-metal-list)
I've listened to some of these bands but most I haven't. I've made a Spotify playist of all the albums discussed (bar one) and will share my thoughts I suppose.
I'm hardly a jazz guy but I do like jazz influences :millahhhh
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that Titans to Tachyons album mentioned there is excellent, but from most samples of the other stuff I would hardly call anything 'Jazz'.
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New Miles Davis album, "The Lost Concert" released today, the 30th anniversary of his death, is a rare performance of Miles playing newer and older tunes, featuring Kenny Garrett, Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, John McLaughlin, Dave Holland, John Scofield, Joe Zawinul, and more.
https://www.mnprmagazine.com/news/miles-davis-the-lost-concert-double-cd-30th-anniversary-edition-completes-lost-trilogy/ (https://www.mnprmagazine.com/news/miles-davis-the-lost-concert-double-cd-30th-anniversary-edition-completes-lost-trilogy/)
Thanks! Going to have to check this one out.
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This is probably the coolest arrangement of this tune I've heard, and Sara is easily my favorite jazz vocalist. Christian Euman is also one of the best newer drummers in the scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HVKrZ8mfDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HVKrZ8mfDY)
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Been reading Miles Davis' autobiography. It's quite colorful :lol
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This is probably the coolest arrangement of this tune I've heard, and Sara is easily my favorite jazz vocalist. Christian Euman is also one of the best newer drummers in the scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HVKrZ8mfDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HVKrZ8mfDY)
yep. she's amazing...
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Been reading Miles Davis' autobiography. It's quite colorful :lol
Indeed. Not many people can shift the direction of an entire genre multiple times over their lifetime. Good thing too that his legacy is already cemented. I don't know how much of what he says and does is fictionalized/dramatized, but some of it definitely wouldn't play well in current times.
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Really loving Christian Scott lately.
Not sure others are cued in to his stuff.
On a not-unrelated note, between exploring Miles and reading his book, I've felt a real draw to start learning Trumpet recently. I'm really thinking of pulling the trigger on a Yamaha, and setting up lessons for myself. This would be a brand new hobby, and as a 35 year old with a kid and too many hobbies already, worthy of serious evaluation before I drop like $2g on a student horn and a few months of lessons. But I also feel really excited about it, starting something completely new to me (which is not something I've really thought about for myself in a long, long time).
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You could also get a trumpet for a lot less than that just to try it out. Maybe you could even rent one. That's how I got my sax initially, before I (or actually my parents) bought it. By all means, do it; learning a new instrument is tons of fun.
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That's the one major category of instrument I haven't gotten into at all yet (brass). Personally I'm not that crazy about solo trumpet. It's a little shrill and piercing at times for me, I prefer them in ensembles, or a bit mellower related sound like a flugelhorn. That said, if you're into the sound and it's not going to set you back too much, it's never too late.
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Oddly, I struggled to enjoy Trumpet a lot when I was first getting into jazz. I especially found Miles' muted Trumpet to around a bit shrill and abrasive. At some point something changed, and it became my favorite thing.
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Stumbled over this recently:
Krokofant - Fifth
Very tasty jazz/prog/fusion. They have several earlier albums with less members that also sound great too.
https://open.spotify.com/album/3WH2Ot7J6cUNj4N2g8Qkd9?si=4uyFSpHDSni-J5xHhGST-g&utm_source=whatsapp
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bump.
Wayne Shorter of Weather Report has died :(
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/mar/02/wayne-shorter-icon-of-jazz-saxophone-dies-aged-89
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Currently listening to this cool band I discovered call Fuubutsushi; they are apparently modern ambient jazz.
This is taken from an album review I found. It's relevant as it explains the bands name, but they also released 4 albums recently, one for each season.
Seasons change in the mind and the body before they change in the world. Anyone who has felt spring bloom in their hearts on the first false day of sunshine, or been transported to autumns past by the crunch of a stray brown leaf on a late-summer afternoon, knows that climatological reality is not always in sync with our perception of how things should be. The Japanese word “fuubutsushi” refers to this gap, capturing the feeling of longing for a new season at the first signs of its emergence. After months of life looking like one thing, fuubutsushi marks the moment when you believe it may begin to look like something else.
I've just listened through the spring/summer albums over dinner with my wife and kid, and will continue through autumn/winter this evening. Really nice easy listening music, which can't help but evoke images of rural Japan in my mind. Anyone heard them? If you're interested in their seasonal albums, here's a playlist of them all together...
https://spotify.link/RDGEvWaZRDb (https://spotify.link/RDGEvWaZRDb)
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I'll try and check out their fall album pretty soon.
And not sure how I missed it at the time (probably busy with my roulette), but losing Shorter was a blow. One of my favorite saxophonists.
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SIMON PHILLIPS / PROTOCOL 4 - PENTANGLE - STUDIO LIVE SESSION - LITTLE BIG BEAT STUDIOS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW2iofQtRIM&ab_channel=LITTLEBIGBEATSTUDIOS)
Amazing line-up with such a crisp sound and production. I love Gregs guitar tone and precision. The talent in that room is immense.
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I've only really gotten into jazz over the last 5 years or so, but I really love it now.
Been on a bit of a Max Roach kick lately. He was born here in North Carolina (it seems like half of the jazz giants were either born here or spent significant time here), so I figured I should get more familiar with him.
Also been loving Julian Lage lately.
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Julian has to be, like, the guitarist of the 21st century.
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Also been loving Julian Lage lately.
Ah, yeah. Me too. I've had a couple of moments where the hair on the back of my neck has actually stood up while listening to him.
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A new interest is Linda May Han Oh. Listening right now, actually, lol
Also, anyone know the all-female ensemble Artemis? Nice stuff. Not "best ever" or anything, but good.
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Julian has to be, like, the guitarist of the 21st century.
On my way home from seeing Julian in London. Just jaw-droppingly good.
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SIMON PHILLIPS / PROTOCOL 4 - PENTANGLE - STUDIO LIVE SESSION - LITTLE BIG BEAT STUDIOS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW2iofQtRIM&ab_channel=LITTLEBIGBEATSTUDIOS)
Amazing line-up with such a crisp sound and production. I love Gregs guitar tone and precision. The talent in that room is immense.
Great CD! Didn't know who Dennis Hamm was until I bought it (Though he did do a keyboard solo on Howe's Soundproof which I hadn't noticed.)