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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: ishak540m on March 03, 2014, 02:45:18 PM
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Why can't new American bands be this cool and metal. lol :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3NMZAUKGw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3NMZAUKGw)
This might be more easily digestible for this crowd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqaTXqCN-Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqaTXqCN-Q)
A couple others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4PrJYD8RTo
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4PrJYD8RTo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uA_Ff4GQrY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uA_Ff4GQrY)
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That isn't metal. That's cosplay.
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That is closer to electronics than metal. If you like that, great; but I couldn't make it through that video.
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Too catchy not to enjoy. :tup
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Should I listen to this? I'm a little hesitant and kinda scared (on the basis of a couple of listens to previews) with the premise that it is JPop combined with metal elements.
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I heard this a few days ago. Fucking awesome. :metal
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Interesting. Nice blend of Electronic with metal.
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All right, guys. You have convinced me to give this a listen. This means I hold you guys liable if I go into seizures and pass out while listening to the music.
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Haha the 2nd links video is really funny.
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holy young. says on wiki they didn't even know what metal was when the group was formed. the girls sure shred in that second vid for youngsters previously unfamiliar with anything so ripping. :|
im thinking the forum could get far more into Maximum The Hormone if anyone is looking for some 'j pop' infused rock slash punk slash metal.
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Maximum The Hormone are such a rad group, their newest album was fantastic :metal
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holy young. says on wiki they didn't even know what metal was when the group was formed. the girls sure shred in that second vid for youngsters previously unfamiliar with anything so ripping. :|
im thinking the forum could get far more into Maximum The Hormone if anyone is looking for some 'j pop' infused rock slash punk slash metal.
I'd say it's the opposite - metal "infused" j pop.
Honestly, I'm not seeing what's so special about this. It's obviously just a pop song, with a metal look and metal arrangement layered on top. I have no problem with pop music, but I don't need it to be cloacked in some phoney metal skin to be able to appreciate it. I'm not that narrow in my musical tastes :lol
In this case, it's not that the song is bad, it's just that the metal instrumentation seems to be gimmicky, and adds no value to making the song better.
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'Pop' "metal" for 6-10 year old's.
Absolute rubbish :metal
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I actually liked the blend of the vocals with the metal sound. The backing vocals the two others sing not so much.
Now if a band did this seriously, with live vocals, I'd buy it.
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Maximum The Hormone are such a rad group, their newest album was fantastic :metal
Yea I remember watching those guys some while ago. Insane stuff! :lol
I think this was the one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdwT5JlH8gM
BTW regarding Baby Metal "Gimme chocolate" is the best them! Bring on ze Thrash!! :metal
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Maximum The Hormone are such a rad group, their newest album was fantastic :metal
Yea I remember watching those guys some while ago. Insane stuff! :lol
I think this was the one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdwT5JlH8gM
BTW regarding Baby Metal "Gimme chocolate" is the best them! Bring on ze Thrash!! :metal
Okay, I looked up Gimme Chocolate, and watching it, I can't not think of those videos where the guy takes a song, and keeps the vocals, but swaps out the rest to make it a completely different genre (for example, he made that Enter Sandman Smooth Jazz video). It really feels like one of those, except it's what the song actually sounds like.
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^That's a fantastic assessment.
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Here they are live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4PrJYD8RTo
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My favorite quote from an article about them: "Somewhere in Norway there is a metalhead in corpse paint standing in a forest crying tears of blood.”
I heard Eat Chocolate, and I liked it. It's really "kitchy"...but I liked it.
It's more of a novelty song at this point. I doubt it would ever be something I would own, but it's certainly something I would show to friends for a laugh.
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There are certainly moments far too juxtaposed and jarring even for my tastes, but as I listen to it... :metal
Not bad stuff at all. I like it. A pretty interesting and unexpected blend of styles in my eyes that sounds awful on paper but turned out pretty great in practice. My only concern was that this style would certainly alienate a fair number of fans from either side, but seeing their live performances reassures me; they really have the energy to back it all up. :tup
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Yeah to be quite honest, I would rather just have the pop. It doesn't need all this metal dressing.
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Are their any Japanese Metal bands with a Female vocalist, that also incorporate Electronic Elements.
I'm asking because the blend of that voice and the metal matches really well.
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Blood Stain Child, and they're an absolute favorite of mine!
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Blood Stain Child, and they're an absolute favorite of mine!
Pretty good stuff.
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Too catchy not to enjoy. :tup
This. I've been listening to a lot of J-Rock and J-Pop lately so I might be biased as well :lol
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It's a combination of two of my favorite things; metal and hot Japanese girls. I like it! :biggrin: :tup
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It's a combination of two of my favorite things; metal and hot Japanese girls. I like it! :biggrin: :tup
The lead singer is 16. The other two are 14.
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It's a combination of two of my favorite things; metal and hot Japanese girls. I like it! :biggrin: :tup
The lead singer is 16. The other two are 14.
Well then. :facepalm: My bad. :lol Still I do like the songs I've heard from them though. :metal
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It's a combination of two of my favorite things; metal and hot Japanese girls. I like it! :biggrin: :tup
The lead singer is 16. The other two are 14.
Well then. :facepalm: My bad. :lol Still I do like the songs I've heard from them though. :metal
In your defence every japanese girl under 30 looks like 16.
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Seriously. ^That combined with the fact the MG is barely older than them iirc makes his post fairly benign.
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That was much less obnoxious than I thought it would be.
Actually it's kinda catchy.
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I couldn't stop laughing watching this: :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uA_Ff4GQrY
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It's a combination of two of my favorite things; metal and hot Japanese girls. I like it! :biggrin: :tup
The lead singer is 16. The other two are 14.
Well then. :facepalm: My bad. :lol Still I do like the songs I've heard from them though. :metal
In your defence every japanese girl under 30 looks like 16.
in his defence!?!
if Japanese girls under 30 (aka those in their 20s) look 16, one might reason that Japanese girls 14-16 look prepubescent.
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It's a combination of two of my favorite things; metal and hot Japanese girls. I like it! :biggrin: :tup
The lead singer is 16. The other two are 14.
Well then. :facepalm: My bad. :lol Still I do like the songs I've heard from them though. :metal
In your defence every japanese girl under 30 looks like 16.
in his defence!?!
if Japanese girls under 30 (aka those in their 20s) look 16, one might reason that Japanese girls 14-16 look prepubescent.
Not enirely sure what you mean or point is but I just meant that japanese girls looks generally alot younger than they are.
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my point isn't obvious?! :facepalm:
...I just meant that japanese girls looks generally alot younger than they are.
exactly! these 14 year old girls, that were probs 13 when they shot the video, look more along the lines of 11 years old.
anyway, I was just trying to be funny. people can fap to BabyMetal all they want.
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Apparently they made it on the bill along with Iron Maiden, Metallica, Dream Theater, The Winery Dogs, etc...:
Sonisphere Festival UK:
https://sonisphere.co.uk/ (https://sonisphere.co.uk/)
https://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/sonisphere/2014/lineup.shtml (https://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/sonisphere/2014/lineup.shtml)
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That's pretty neat for them, and certainly unexpected. :lol
Hope it goes well for them.
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I don't see what's so unexpected.. it's one of the larger metal festivals and has acts ranging from Limp Bizkit to Carcass in terms of genre depth.
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I don't see what's so unexpected.. it's one of the larger metal festivals and has acts ranging from Limp Bizkit to Carcass in terms of genre depth.
Maybe it's not then. I have no idea.
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This...just...I...
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Babymetal World Tour 2014 (Live at Budokan too, lol):
Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeOtUSUwSqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeOtUSUwSqg)
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i really liked Japanese music and their heavy metal bands in general. but i dunno about babymetal. i feel its a kind of insincere form of metal. first of all the girls didnt compose the music themselves and doesnt play any instruments - aren't these the basic standards for heavy metal musicians? i mean i understand they are all young and being mainstream but with pre-teen girls dancing to heavy metal, especially to a fairly good piece like Ijime Dame is a complete joke to heavy metal. thats also probably due to my dislike in dance music in general. their debut single was quite ok cuz the type of composition and music matches their concept. at that time i didnt dislike them at all cuz i was thinking that this concept is really awesome with exposing the heavy metal scene to young girls. but the single Ijime Dame was a total disaster for me.
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I know what you mean. I'm pretty ambivalent about it myself. I both love the concept and execution...and yet hate the "manufactured" aspect of it.
It's probably something that I will buy the first album from...and then complain about how it all went downhill after they got popular. :loser:
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i really liked Japanese music and their heavy metal bands in general. but i dunno about babymetal. i feel its a kind of insincere form of metal. first of all the girls didnt compose the music themselves and doesnt play any instruments - aren't these the basic standards for heavy metal musicians?
Not necessarily. I mean, it's not as if there are rules. I get it if that aspect bothers you, but there have been plenty of "heavy metal" bands that have had outside writers.
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I can sort of see the problem people have with outside writers, but honestly, if the result is music that I enjoy, I don't care so much how it was made.
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i really liked Japanese music and their heavy metal bands in general. but i dunno about babymetal. i feel its a kind of insincere form of metal. first of all the girls didnt compose the music themselves and doesnt play any instruments - aren't these the basic standards for heavy metal musicians? i mean i understand they are all young and being mainstream but with pre-teen girls dancing to heavy metal, especially to a fairly good piece like Ijime Dame is a complete joke to heavy metal. thats also probably due to my dislike in dance music in general. their debut single was quite ok cuz the type of composition and music matches their concept. at that time i didnt dislike them at all cuz i was thinking that this concept is really awesome with exposing the heavy metal scene to young girls. but the single Ijime Dame was a total disaster for me.
The bold sections are just biases and pretensions of the metal fanbase. A good many metal fans take the whole idea of "true metal" faaaaaar to seriously, which is why from the 80's to the present, there has been constantly mud-slinging going back and forth between the various sub-genres of metal, first between thrash and hair metal, and then later between everything vs everything else. To many metal fans, anything that doesn't fit quite right with their idea of "true" metal is some sort of heresy that needs to be purged by fire.
IMO, this is just a ridiculous attitude on the part of the metal culture. Especially at this point, there are so many different types of metal, attempting to define any one style as "true" is a pointless endeavor. If someone doesn't like some particular sub-sect of metal, they don't need to listen to it. I'm not a fan of hip-hop at all, and I hated a lot of nu-metal bands from the early 2000's, but I don't take my metal fandom so seriously as to think that nu-metal was some sort of cancer that needed to be cut out and destroyed to keep the body of true metal pure and healthy. I simply don't listen to them, and don't care if they choose to brand themselves as metal or not.
The same should apply to Babymetal. Now I actually do like this band quite a bit, probably because I'm a big fan of anime and love my share of J-pop/J-rock along side my more metal bands. But even if I didn't, the idea that Babymetal, or any other band for that matter, is "the cancer that is killing metal" is asinine. Different bands have different ideas of what "metal" means and how they incorporate it into their musical projects. I'm not going to begrudge anyone the opportunity to dabble in metal, even if they do so in a way that I strongly dislike. And if someone out there just so happens to combine metal with some other genre of music I actually do like.... well, that's just awesome.
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IMO, this is just a ridiculous attitude on the part of the metal culture. Especially at this point, there are so many different types of metal, attempting to define any one style as "true" is a pointless endeavor. If someone doesn't like some particular sub-sect of metal, they don't need to listen to it. I'm not a fan of hip-hop at all, and I hated a lot of nu-metal bands from the early 2000's, but I don't take my metal fandom so seriously as to think that nu-metal was some sort of cancer that needed to be cut out and destroyed to keep the body of true metal pure and healthy. I simply don't listen to them, and don't care if they choose to brand themselves as metal or not.
The same should apply to Babymetal.
i also disliked a lot of nu-metal bands and other sub-genres of heavy metal, say industrial metal (Nine inch Nails is the only one i can accept so far). i also avoided them and never shared a single opinion on them because i understand they are also musicians but with another level of musicality. as far as i know Babymetal doesnt belong to any sub-genre of heavy metal, they are not musicians nor play any instruments. all they were offering is singing, dancing and performing some cute moves to metal music. its just like any other pop group say, backstreet boys, but with a twist of metal. to aligned them with those nu-metal bands is as asinine as your presumed "ridiculous attitude" towards metal culture/fandom.
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Now I actually do like this band quite a bit, probably because I'm a big fan of anime and love my share of J-pop/J-rock along side my more metal bands. But even if I didn't, the idea that Babymetal, or any other band for that matter, is "the cancer that is killing metal" is asinine. Different bands have different ideas of what "metal" means and how they incorporate it into their musical projects. I'm not going to begrudge anyone the opportunity to dabble in metal, even if they do so in a way that I strongly dislike. And if someone out there just so happens to combine metal with some other genre of music I actually do like.... well, that's just awesome.
i guess u didnt fully comprehend my comment or maybe i should've expressed differently. i did said i didnt dislike Babymetal for their debut single and loved their concept of incoporating new ideas and introducing heavy metal scene to the public. what is dislike is the degree of the incorporation.
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i also disliked a lot of nu-metal bands and other sub-genres of heavy metal, say industrial metal (Nine inch Nails is the only one i can accept so far). i also avoided them and never shared a single opinion on them because i understand they are also musicians but with another level of musicality. as far as i know Babymetal doesnt belong to any sub-genre of heavy metal, they are not musicians nor play any instruments. all they were offering is singing, dancing and performing some cute moves to metal music. its just like any other pop group say, backstreet boys, but with a twist of metal. to aligned them with those nu-metal bands is as asinine as your presumed "ridiculous attitude" towards metal culture/fandom.
i guess u didnt fully comprehend my comment or maybe i should've expressed differently. i did said i didnt dislike Babymetal for their debut single and loved their concept of incoporating new ideas and introducing heavy metal scene to the public. what is dislike is the degree of the incorporation.
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I comprehended everything you said just fine, thank you very much. You don't like the fact that the girls, like many pop stars, are more just performers rather then musicians and songwriters. That is your opinion, which of course you are free to have. Nothing wrong with not liking how Babymetal (or anyone else for that matter) combines metal and non-metal elements in their music. But you were still making the assertion that mixing J-pop singing, dancing, etc with metal music when the girls in Babymetal are not musicians is some how an insult to Metal-dom ( your words indicated as much, i.e. " i feel its a kind of insincere form of metal." and "pre-teen girls dancing to heavy metal, especially to a fairly good piece like Ijime Dame is a complete joke to heavy metal.")
If you think the nu-metal bands were some how less offensive to metal then Babymetal because of the level of musicianship the members of those bands utilized, fine. That's your choice, and I'm not really going to argue with that. But I do think you missed the broader point of my post. What I was calling ridiculous was the notion, prevalent throughout much of metal fandom, that there is some sort of sacred "true" form of heavy metal, and that mixing metal with other, non-metal forms of music is heresy. That was the part I was calling asinine, because there is no reason to take music that seriously, and metal isn't really well defined enough as a genre to give rise to some sort of universal metal law. There are no "basic standards" in metal beyond just being heavy and guitar riff driven music. Musicianship really doesn't factor into it. For every metal band of technical wizards like Dream Theater, there are countless bands of talentless players that barely know three chords. And songwriting doesn't really matter, either. Countless metal bands have utilized outside writers who sometime compose the bulk of the band's music. You may not like it, but it happens, and quite frankly, I don't see how it makes a band less authentically metal.
Ultimately, I see Babymetal as being in the same league as Spinal Tap and Dethklok. They are a fabricated marketing tool that is more about the theme and the spectacle of metal, and the humor that can be derived from it, then they are about being an actual band in the conventional sense. It's certainly not for everyone, but it's still highly entertaining. And since music is really just entertainment, is that not all that really matters?
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So, I hear news from the Download Festival Forum that Babymetal is doing their own headlining show in the UK in London's Electric Ballroom, which is a 1000 people capacity. A few days later, I then hear the news that they got upgraded to The Forum which is a 2000 people capacity. This craze is spreading like fire there. Holy cow.
https://forums.downloadfestival.co.uk/m5902080.aspx
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I comprehended everything you said just fine, thank you very much. You don't like the fact that the girls, like many pop stars, are more just performers rather then musicians and songwriters. That is your opinion, which of course you are free to have. Nothing wrong with not liking how Babymetal (or anyone else for that matter) combines metal and non-metal elements in their music. But you were still making the assertion that mixing J-pop singing, dancing, etc with metal music when the girls in Babymetal are not musicians is some how an insult to Metal-dom ( your words indicated as much, i.e. " i feel its a kind of insincere form of metal." and "pre-teen girls dancing to heavy metal, especially to a fairly good piece like Ijime Dame is a complete joke to heavy metal.")
If you think the nu-metal bands were some how less offensive to metal then Babymetal because of the level of musicianship the members of those bands utilized, fine. That's your choice, and I'm not really going to argue with that. But I do think you missed the broader point of my post. What I was calling ridiculous was the notion, prevalent throughout much of metal fandom, that there is some sort of sacred "true" form of heavy metal, and that mixing metal with other, non-metal forms of music is heresy. That was the part I was calling asinine, because there is no reason to take music that seriously, and metal isn't really well defined enough as a genre to give rise to some sort of universal metal law. There are no "basic standards" in metal beyond just being heavy and guitar riff driven music. Musicianship really doesn't factor into it. For every metal band of technical wizards like Dream Theater, there are countless bands of talentless players that barely know three chords. And songwriting doesn't really matter, either. Countless metal bands have utilized outside writers who sometime compose the bulk of the band's music. You may not like it, but it happens, and quite frankly, I don't see how it makes a band less authentically metal.
Ultimately, I see Babymetal as being in the same league as Spinal Tap and Dethklok. They are a fabricated marketing tool that is more about the theme and the spectacle of metal, and the humor that can be derived from it, then they are about being an actual band in the conventional sense. It's certainly not for everyone, but it's still highly entertaining. And since music is really just entertainment, is that not all that really matters?
seemed like u comprehended until my 2nd reply with my expanded explanation. if i were to think the whole idea of incorporating metal with jpop elements were an insult i would have never liked them from the beginning. its like i said, its not until the single Ijime Dame Zettai provoked that thinking cuz the song itself is a very good piece. incorporating too much pop elements is making jpop listeners appreciate metal in a totally different direction as compared to metal listeners with a good metal foundation. and this effect, IMO, will not be healthy for the metal scene in the long run. if u dont think incorporating classical, orchestration, blues etc, to embellish rock and twisting it into complex syncopated structures breaking all the rules in classical music, which is exactly what Dream Theater and few other metal bands and jazz fusion does, is not well-defined enough to be considered as universal metal law in the current musical era then thats your interpretation of music. no problem if u dont take the things u love so seriously but doesnt mean u can judge the ones that does (biases? pretensions?). i guess you just have a different perspective on music than those your so called "ridiculous metal fandom", and it happens all the time when people dont understand other's (i would say open-minded hardcore) perspective. i got your board view very clearly, thats why i said "your presumed ridiculous metal fandom".
i wouldnt say that bands doesnt compose makes them less authentically metal, cuz they are still playing within metal genre. thats quite a huge assumption u made just based on me saying not liking their music and less involvement in composing. apparently u automatically projected ur previous encounters with those metal fandom toward me. it is only in this case, Babymetal, incorporated too much pop elements which made it less authentic. but i get what you are saying. music is purely entertainment. preferences varies with people, and theres still tons of music lovers never ever heard of the heavy metal genre.
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opening for Lady Gaga in the US (5 shows)
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/babymetal-to-support-lady-gaga-at-five-u-s-shows/
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With Hatsune Miku and now this Lady Gaga knows what's what with her opening bands.
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I'm actually happy that this isn't coming to Seattle...I would hate to say I went to a Lady Gaga show...even if it was just to see the opening act and then bolt for the door.
That being said, I would probably be the only human in the building to do so. I could be totally wrong, but I don't think Babymetal would go over very well at a Lady Gaga show. Even if they are a sortof "bubble gum death metal" thing...I would think it would go over like a lead balloon. :-\
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I'm actually happy that this isn't coming to Seattle...I would hate to say I went to a Lady Gaga show...even if it was just to see the opening act and then bolt for the door.
That being said, I would probably be the only human in the building to do so. I could be totally wrong, but I don't think Babymetal would go over very well at a Lady Gaga show. Even if they are a sortof "bubble gum death metal" thing...I would think it would go over like a lead balloon. :-\
What's ya beef with Lady Gaga hmm?
She's fuckin radical.
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Lady Gaga freaking rocks.
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I think that's the best combination.
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I've tried but I just can't stand Lady Gaga. It's not the meat dresses or full frontal nudity or overall craziness I just don't find her music interesting.
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I've tried but I just can't stand Lady Gaga. It's not the meat dresses or full frontal nudity or overall craziness I just don't find her music interesting.
This.
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I enjoyed that way more than I should!! :o
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I've tried but I just can't stand Lady Gaga. It's not the meat dresses or full frontal nudity or overall craziness I just don't find her music interesting.
This.
Quite a bit strong to say you can't someone just because you find her music uninteresting, which even if you don't like her music, I can't see how you can call it uninteresting. Listening to her last two albums you'll find a huge range of different influences and different sounds. Even on her first album "The Fame" she has some pretty different tracks from those first hits everybody remembers, such as 'Summerboy' and 'Brown Eyes'.
Totally cool if you guys don't dig the music, but it's unfair to call it uninteresting, when there's not really any other artist like her.
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That still doesn't mean it is interesting. I don't find her music interesting either. And the rest of the Lady Gaga "package" is very offputting to me. People happen to not like what you like. There is nothing unfair about that whatsoever.
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I never said it was unfair to not like what I like Bosk, but I did say it's hard to call somebody uninteresting when their music is anything but; doesn't mean you have to like it.
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Totally cool if you guys don't dig the music, but it's unfair to call it uninteresting, when there's not really any other artist like her.
Why? I really don't find anything interesting about her music, as simple as that. Do I respect her for the successful artist she is, hell yea but I couldn't care less about all the provocative shit she's doing outside of her music that people call radical or fresh. I only care about what music she puts out and for me there's nothing radical or fresh about her music that peaks my interest. She has some nice radio tunes but thats about it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtQa3JLRfUg (There's some radical bass in this)
From Born This Way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHGKG9dyTKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDt_oagItBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9YMU0WeBwU
That's just a few tracks from Born This Way, but I think it's pretty interesting at the very least that she can manage to have an album with influencings ranging from hispanic music to rock to country to 80's pop and somehow make it all work and feel like it belongs there. Her new album also has quite a range to it.
Also interest =/= interesting
I'm not interested in the new Watch Dogs game, but there's a lot of interesting features to it nonetheless.
Like I said though, you're not obligated to like her, that's not what I'm getting at, all I'm saying is that I find it hard to call someone uninteresting when they're one of the few artists of their kind, whether you like what they make or not.
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I never said it was unfair to not like what I like Bosk, but I did say it's hard to call somebody uninteresting when their music is anything but; doesn't mean you have to like it.
Okay. I'm not trying to be pedantic, but:
...it's unfair to call it uninteresting
Her music just does not interest some people, me included. And I get your point. But she is also a very polarizing figure, and intentionally so, so it is also to be expected that in addition to those who are genuinely not interested in what she brings to the table, you are also going to get a lot of people who overreact and...for lack of a better discription, intentionally disinterest themselves in her. While perhaps not "fair" (which supports your point), I think it is also understandable. I think Gaga herself might be the first to admit that, given the polarizing persona she has embraced, she fully expects and embraces the fact that many will feel that way about her.
And I get your point, but I think you are splitting hairs by trying to draw a dichotomy in saying "interest =/= interesting."
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I kind of agree with bosk for once. An artist can be super diverse, avant-garde etc. and some people just don't think they're interesting.
Maybe Dark Castle's point is that some people just assume Lady Gaga is a regular pop singer when he feels there's more to it then that?
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I'm not interested in the new Watch Dogs game, but there's a lot of interesting features to it nonetheless.
:lol
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Since not every person has the same interests, uninteresting for me, it's not the same for you and viceversa
So, it's totally fair to call her music uninteresting ;D
BTW, I love babymetal.
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Well I am fascinated by Japanese pop culture so this is right up my alley.
However, I'm a bit put off by the Lady Gaga tour. I'm not interested in her. I have nothing against her or pop music for that matter, but I can just imagine tickets being way more expensive for way less BABYMETAL.
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Wall of death! :rollin
https://youtu.be/O15zJlqI5vA?t=22m6s
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Wall of death! :rollin
https://youtu.be/O15zJlqI5vA?t=22m6s
:metal :corn
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Have to say, they were really fun at Sonisphere. The whole idea is a bit ridiculous, but it's a lot of fun and some of the songs (the ones that properly fuse metal with electro J-pop) are pretty cool.
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A friend showed me this band a couple weeks ago with the Gimme Chocolate video. I cant believe this is real and they are actually pretty popular for such a young band. I enjoyed it. Wouldnt say I love it, but its catchy and fun. The dancing is really cool too. I like the backing band a lot.
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Babymetal is #1: https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/12/02/vince-neilsteins-top-15-metal-albums-of-2014/ (https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/12/02/vince-neilsteins-top-15-metal-albums-of-2014/)
"A complete game-changer, and the de facto most-argued about album of the year. Sure, the cute Japanese teenage girl angle is great — and hella entertaining — but it wouldn’t mean anything if the band members weren’t masters of their instruments who write perfect songs. Every track is catchy from beginning to end, and the bizarre presentation makes it impossible to look away. Call me a pedo, call me a troll, but the fact is that I don’t think I listened to any album more in 2014, and there was no band I was more anxious to share with friends both metal and non-metal alike. Sometimes metal needs to be fun, and Babymetal are all about it.
SEEEEEE YOUUUUUU!"
Best Comment:
"At first I was like WTF, but then I realized that he was right, BABYMETAL has been the most disruptive, polarizing band in metal today. I have watched Youtube videos of men with more tattoos then me, literally breaking down and crying, because they were so scared of what 3 little girls will do to the genre. Any group that can scare metalheads more than demons, zombies, or Satan himself gets my respect."
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I really want to see them live....but they were opening for Lady Gaga. I'm just really not interested in paying Lada Gaga priced tickets just to see the opening act and walk out.
If they get to point where they are headlining theaters....I'm there.
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Walking out on lady gaga oi m8
Had me a giggle
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Well yea, no point walking out if you spent the money, but yea I wouldnt want to spend the money for a lady gaga show just for the opener.
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In a way...I guess I sort of get it. Because, like Lady Gaga, this band is a bit more "theatrical"...but I'm just not into *******THE SHOW******* angle of concerts.
Well, I suppose I don't apply that across the board. Because as soon as I typed that, I immediately thought of the one exception to the rule. The Wall.
Still, for the most part, I really don't dig the theatrics of huge arena concerts. I want to see the unbridled energy of artists with a passion for performing...on instruments.
Babymetal simply has a new and original idea, and I really respect that and I also enjoy this new "hybrid" of metal music. But I could do without the theatrics of the whole thing. I think the music does, in fact, stand up on its own.
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New Song: Road of Resistance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-XFUZ5EL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-XFUZ5EL4)
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Power metal must be the only music genre that is its own parody.
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New Song: Road of Resistance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-XFUZ5EL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-XFUZ5EL4)
This just sounds like DragonForce. What's the big deal?
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BABYMETAL - Ijime,Dame,Zettai - Live at Sonisphere 2014 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro-_cbfdrYE)
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Baby Metal made their American TV debut
https://youtu.be/rZApf9c8Tes (https://youtu.be/rZApf9c8Tes)
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Haha, Stephen in the beginning.
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Very cool :lol
Spent some time the other night randomly checking videos of theirs out, I can say one thing for sure. Su Metal can sing her fucking ass off.
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Awesome! :lol Glad that the band are good and plays live. Seems to consist of some good session musicians. The guitarist Takayoshi Ohmura have toured with Marty Friedman and done a solo CD with Richie Kotzen, Mark Boals and Doogie White.
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I was catching up on Colbert and I saw this thing, thought the music the band played were entirely too familiar, sounds like music from a bunch of thrash/speed metal bands that I'm not into, even as a thrash fan. And I thought the 3 girls gimmick didn't help the band much alas for the comical contrast factor then I came online to find out that haha holy shit the 3 girls are the band baby metal.
I think it works just fine for a good laugh but otherwise:
'Pop' "metal" for 6-10 year old's.
Absolute rubbish :metal
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I´m just amazed that in all the reviews for the new album I´ve read, none of them talk about Tales of the destinies. That track is so freaking bananas it´s out of this world. And a perfect setup for The One.
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I´m just amazed that in all the reviews for the new album I´ve read, none of them talk about Tales of the destinies. That track is so freaking bananas it´s out of this world. And a perfect setup for The One.
I was preparing an answer about this song, tales, that is sooooo oriented to us DT fans :D
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Tales of the Destinies is better than anything on The Astonishing.
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I´m just amazed that in all the reviews for the new album I´ve read, none of them talk about Tales of the destinies. That track is so freaking bananas it´s out of this world. And a perfect setup for The One.
Haven't heard the album but that got me intrigued so I checked out the song. That was quite the trip to say the least 0:29-0:41 sounds more like DT than DT themselfs. :lol It's just a mix of alot of things 3:48-4:00 is so Lost Horizon and the chorus is Power Metal galore.
Enjoyed that song alot!
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I don't care how good the back ground music is i just can't take this seriously.
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I don't care how good the back ground music is i just can't take this seriously.
Then don't and take it for fun. I find it hard to take seriously as well, but I still enjoy it because it's fun music. They are actually playing in NYC fairly soon, but I don't think I'll go out of my way to see them.
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The band shreds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJY3HuqLgrI)
Damn the energy from the band and crowd is pretty intense. :lol :corn :metal
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Unless you've been living under a musical rock this last year or so, you've probably seen the name Babymetal at least once. I've searched the forums and found that a few of you know of this Japan sensation.
For those that haven't, I'll sum up: Imagine J-pop, Japan Idol culture, and insanely talented metal/rock/industrial musicians all smushed into a corporate project. It's a mix that shouldn't work. But like all genre breaking trialblazers, it has. To huge, sold out arena shows both in Japan and more recently, in America.
Skipping history, the fact that it's front members are young teenage girls who sing and do choreographed dance to death metal beats, and arguments of corporate fabrication ('cause really... there's plenty of argument about this already) I'll get to the connection between this forum and them.
This song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02uq_GQAly0
It's from their second album that just released this last week. Much like their previous album, there is a huge range of rock/metal sub genres represented, and no one specific flavor of anything provided it involves drums, bass, and guitar as the basic instruments.
When I heard this track, I instantly knew who it was a nod to. Everything from the synchronicity of the keyboard and guitar, some of the phrasing of the riffs... and if you're STILL not with me that it's a specific nod to Dream Theater... there's a passage that mimics Jordan's re-occurring use of old timey solo ragtime piano at 2:25.
In fact, the whole instrumental passage from 2:00 on sounds like an omage to DT's Stylings. To me, even the drums sound engineered to echo MP's drum sound of IAW and Awake.
As far as the project as a whole goes, I've been alright with Babymetal since I discovered it a couple years ago. The musical writing is spot on, the ability of the players is top notch, and I'm a sucker for cute things. It's different, refreshing, and something that isn't the standard norm cranked out by the industry these days. The fact that the producers did a massive nod to DT on this album makes it all the more fun.
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We have a thread for the band and that song has already been discussed. :)
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=40910.0
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Gave it a good spin this morning and although it has some lesser songs, the overall production is better. Su is singing her ass off on this album. This will definetely push them over worldwide, I feel. The Japanese version has one different song in the tracklisting but it´ll cost you an arm and a leg ordering that one.
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Had a listen earlier. Take the vocals out and it was ok.
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Have you guys seen Band Maid yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItYN-ri1NPs
This video played as an ad before a BabyMetal one.
Man, the Asian (and European) music scene is so diverse, meanwhile the North American music scene is just... not (I tried to think of something clever to say here but failed). The NA scene is definitely repressed to say the least. There was an interesting clip of Marty Friedman talking about the Japanese music scene and how much he loves it there cuz of how open it is.
This stuff is just so cool. My only wish is that they'd talk more about the bands playing the actual music as there's some spectacular musicianship going on there.
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Whatever you say man, whatever you say.
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As already pointed out, there is already a thread for this band. Not only that, but it is on page 1, so I'm not sure how you missed it. This will be merged.
As to the song, I have no idea where "Dream Theater inspired" comes from. There is nothing about the song that reminds me of Dream Theater in any way, shape, or form.
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I would say the only part that's reminiscent of DT for me is 0:29-0:41.
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Sorry. But who would wanna listen to this group (and i am using that term loosly)....
They are dreadful. I only looked up Babymetal cause someone mentioned it on facebook... and to me it just sounded like a bunch of pikachus on steriods with a very dreadful musical background (again. Using that term extremely loosley) and its obvious that the 44million+ hits are fake...
And how can someone say they remind them of Dream Theater... hahha.... serious comment fail :-D
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So it's not for you. We get it. I still think Tales of Destinies is Take The Time on crack.
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I think Babymetal are fun, in a good way. The fact that they use a live band with serious musicians is the best part for me. I like the songs and I actually think the concept works great and not as weird as some people seem to think. It's weird in a cute way and after all it's Japan we're talking about, if this we're an american act with white kids the story would be completly diffrent I think.
I find their success and how well they've been recieved live pretty amazing.
Metal fans react to BabyMetal at Sonisphere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mECbOXi7Bo0
Videos like these are hilarious:
https://youtu.be/56LZzmYRItM?t=7m32s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlkDBhxAWqA
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Yea, I'm actually a bit surprised by their popularity. It seems like it shouldn't work, but it does on some level. I think you are right in that it has something to do with a real metal band backing them and being able to perform live, metal fans respect that.
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I think the only reason why it does work is BECAUSE it's from Japan and the girls are just too sweet. There's no way any normal person could have perverted thoughts about this.
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Yea, I'm actually a bit surprised by their popularity. It seems like it shouldn't work, but it does on some level. I think you are right in that it has something to do with a real metal band backing them and being able to perform live, metal fans respect that.
You're so right that on paper this project/band shouldn't work, the idea is just silly and yet the support they get live is massive. I mean 98% of the audience have no clue what the hell their singing about and yet they sing their hearts out:
https://youtu.be/br54Rdy_MCA?t=2m58s
That high pitch voice at a metal concert is really weird and hilarious :lol
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That video is off youtube already :lol but I guess from the title of it, they are making a DVD? That's pretty cool. I actually havent listened to any of their albums, I think the music is unique and cool, but hasn't been enough to get me to buy an album... but I love live performances and I could see myself buying a DVD of theirs.
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I'm not trolling or doing my crazy fanboy, but I feel irritated by comments like "this is shit", when it's more polite to say "I don't like it".
to me it just sounded like a bunch of pikachus on steriods with a very dreadful musical background
And that works ! At least for the few listeners enjoying it...
I wouldn't trade my pikachus on steroids for any Djent modern band.
I like the fact that each song has a mood and touches different types of metal.
And how can someone say they remind them of Dream Theater... hahha.... serious comment fail :-D
Tales of destinies has indeed some crazy guitar and synth solo, a little jazzy piano break and little unisons, so yes there is a dream theater vibe, but it needs to go after the 2nd minute of the song ^^
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I think the only reason why it does work is BECAUSE it's from Japan and the girls are just too sweet. There's no way any normal person could have perverted thoughts about this.
In that case I'm definitely not normal.
This isn't news to anyone. :blob:
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I keep seeing that a lot of people expected an idea like this to not work at all, but for me, it's not surprising at all that a group like this has gathered this much attention. And that might be part of my main gripe with it. It just feels like this group was conceived after careful analysis of the demographic they intended to cater towards. I'll listen to one of their albums and while it's mildly enjoyable for what's its worth (that is, in the same way a disaster film is enjoyable for what it's worth), it just doesn't come off as sincere. I imagine that a team of executives wrote off on paper what they knew would make a big splash in the Japanese music scene, and to give them credit they definitely succeeded.
As far the music goes, it's fun but after a while becomes rather derivative and soon after, a bit of a one-note shtick. While the blending of genres here is new, in execution it isn't as strange or weird as a lot of people are making it out to be. I mostly just hear by-the-numbers thrash and power metal riffs with J-pop vocals added on top while most of the songs are structured the way a pop song would be. In the way of genre-blending, it's really not all that interesting or engaging. I can see some people liking them, and they're not exactly horrible, but they're definitely not something I would return to.
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Oh yea it's manufactured 100% and they're not hidding that at all because it's all apart of this so called "idol" culture that's very popular in Japan.
In Japanese pop culture, an idol (アイドル aidoru?, a Japanese rendering of the English word "idol") is a young manufactured star/starlet marketed as someone to be admired, usually for their cuteness. Idols are intended to be role models. They are supposed to have a good public image and be good examples to young people. Idols aim to play a wide range of roles as media personalities (tarento), e.g. pop singers, panelists of variety programs, bit-part actors, models for magazines and advertisements.
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For sure. I think the big difference being that for much of metal music's history, a lot of it was based on being anti-establishment and anti-manufactured (you can argue for or deny this being the case for the genre nowadays at your discretion).
When something like Babymetal comes along catering towards that style, I don't know, the absurdity is apparent tenfold.
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I compare it like a band like Ghost. Sure it is contrived, planned out and 'gimmicky' (although Ghost does write its own material). But to me it represents something that was sadly lacking from the music industry for a long, long time. And that is 'fun'. It's just nice to have some fun again at concerts and not having to justify that.
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Funny enough, I did make the comparison to Ghost in my mind, considering the metal instrumentation under pop sensibilities and song structures. But I'll say that I get much more enjoyment out of Ghost, maybe because they're still a lot more dynamic of a band with a greater range of sounds. They don't really come off as contrived as Babymetal imo, but the theatrics of both groups are something I do dig.
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Man, these guys are melting my face right now. The musicians are freaking insane. So energy. So powah.
"Tales of The Destinies" is really a psychotic mix of Take The Time and The Dance Of Eternity on crack.
I thought this was funny: Youtubers React to Babymetal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeARpcDimx4
... at least until near the end when some of them start bitching about the "manufactured band" by people that have no passion for the music. I hate this bullshit way of thinking. The people still have to write the music, play it, and perform it and if they weren't passionate about music they wouldn't even be doing it. Also, there's a BAND in there that plays the music so don't just focus on the girls. If you like it, then like it, if you don't like it, then just shut up and walk away. At least they didn't play the "exploiting girls" card that I was expecting them to.</rant>
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Just a short update over the last year: After the release of their sophomore album 'Metal Resistance" Babymetal started off it's 2016 World Tour with a blistering concert at the Wembley Arena. They followed through with Europe (Download, Forta Rock) and Japan (Rising Sun) gigs followed by a short US tour and some festivals in to close off their world tour officially with a massive two sellout concerts at Tokyo Dome (55.000 each night). These performances formed the epitome of their carreer up untill now. On July 18, the band made a special appearance at the Alternative Press Music Awards where they performed "Karate" before being joined onstage by Judas Priest frontman Rob Halford. Halford, along with Nakamoto and the Kami Band, performed an abridged version of "Painkiller", followed by a performance of "Breaking the Law" where they were rejoined by Mizuno and Kikuchi on guitars. The year will be topped off with a short support tour for the Red Hot Chili Peppers in the UK in december. Finally Warner Brothers announced they will produce an anime-series about Babymetal for the American market.
The Wembley Arena concert will be released on DVD/BLuray and cd:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_6_9/167-6434318-3916209?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=babymetal+live+at+wembley+arena&sprefix=Babymetal%2Cmi%2C300&crid=2UJNLSOEOGWE2 (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_6_9/167-6434318-3916209?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=babymetal+live+at+wembley+arena&sprefix=Babymetal%2Cmi%2C300&crid=2UJNLSOEOGWE2)
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That's pretty awesome but yikes at that price
While Babymetal is pretty cool in my book, they haven't been that interesting for me to purchase an album, but as a concert lover and knowing how this band performs, I'd totally buy that blu ray at a normal price.
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Yeah granted the price is steep. I didn't mean this as advertising the dvd, btw. Just illustrating the year they've had.
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Yeah granted the price is steep. I didn't mean this as advertising the dvd, btw. Just illustrating the year they've had.
Didn't take it that way, without you sharing I wouldn't of known since I don't follow them that closely.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDDqnuAo6M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDDqnuAo6M)
Better version of Megitsune done by an awesome Youtube guitarist, Erock. His version is an interpretation of the song as if recorded by System of a Down.
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Yeah granted the price is steep. I didn't mean this as advertising the dvd, btw. Just illustrating the year they've had.
Didn't take it that way, without you sharing I wouldn't of known since I don't follow them that closely.
Well it took me almost a year to allow myself to take the music seriously. But once I put aside my misgivings, damn, what great musicianship. And the girls (especially Su) have grown so much in just a couple of years it's just insane. I ordered the limited japanese edition of Metal Resistance because of the inclusion of a different song then the worldwide release and it's just phenomenal. I hope to catch them sometimes when they head over to europe sometimes because I'm not that of a crazy fan who travels to Japan or something to see them live. It's interesting to see how they will progress from this point on, both musically and presentation wise. They can't get any bigger in Japan, but I can imagining them doing some gigs in some of the bigger venues in the states and such.
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I'd be curious to see them as well. If they opened for a decent band or something instead of Lady Gaga then I'd be interested. Like if they played with RHCP in the states then I'd probably go.
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I just wish they'd show more of the amazing band doing their thing.
Yeah, ok, the girls are the "thing" and in front of computer-generated crap I can see them being the only thing worth watching but come on, the band are just too damn good to be brushed aside so easily.
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Man I want that new Bluray SO bad!! But that price is absolutely insane :-\
And if you can't hear the DT influence on Tales of the Destinies I'm not sure what to say... :o It's about as obvious as listening to an oldschool Circus Maximus or Pagan's Mind song.
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Man their new album is pretty awesome. Great music is great music I must say. I just love female vocals behind metal, maybe because theirs not a lot of it around. But they do it good. The image of the girls rubbed off after hearing No Rain, No Rainbow. Tales of Destinies and The One.
Also, Herman Li and Sam Totman both did guitars so that's why their is a Dragonforce sound.
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I just picked up these last week:
(https://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/4bac2107e8029559ee4eb875f4a54da01445612194_full.jpg)
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Is there even any difference between Moametal and Yuimetal?
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Yes. They are spelled differently.
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Yes. They are spelled differently.
How foolish of me :lol
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Moa's actually very pretty. But then, so is Yui.....
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Is there even any difference between Moametal and Yuimetal?
Some differences off the top of my head...I'd say Moa looks a little older/more mature. Yui's the one with kinda puffy cheeks. Yui has a higher pitched(or maybe just more nasally?) voice. Moa speaks more often in interviews whether in Japanese or English from what I've seen. Yui seems much more shy.
Here's a Reddit thread that goes more in depth...beware intense fanboying/fangirling :lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/BABYMETAL/comments/3diol9/psa_a_quick_guide_for_absolute_newbies_for/
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Is there even any difference between Moametal and Yuimetal?
Some differences off the top of my head...I'd say Moa looks a little older/more mature. Yui's the one with kinda puffy cheeks. Yui has a higher pitched(or maybe just more nasally?) voice. Moa speaks more often in interviews whether in Japanese or English from what I've seen. Yui seems much more shy.
Here's a Reddit thread that goes more in depth...beware intense fanboying/fangirling :lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/BABYMETAL/comments/3diol9/psa_a_quick_guide_for_absolute_newbies_for/
The question was actually aimed at the figures in the picture, as in, what's the point of buying both if the figures are the exact same other than the names :lol (I know the answer to the question, the complete the set, but I would have thought there would be some differences between the two figures).
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The question was actually aimed at the figures in the picture, as in, what's the point of buying both if the figures are the exact same other than the names :lol (I know the answer to the question, the complete the set, but I would have thought there would be some differences between the two figures).
Ah gotcha, haha. Yea those definitely pretty much look the same :lol
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Yeah now I get the point.... :lol I won't buy those things either. I'm strictly in it for the music, which is expensive enough as it is.
Fun fact: during their last support show for the Chili' Peppers, Chad Smith joined them on drums(in full Kami atire) for the last song of their set, a Judas Priest medley of Painkiller/Breaking the law. Right after he presented Su Metal with a birthday cake. The reaction of the girls which can be found on youtube, is priceless and off course there were fake candles on the cake.
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Yeah now I get the point.... :lol I won't buy those things either. I'm strictly in it for the music, which is expensive enough as it is.
Fun fact: during their last support show for the Chili' Peppers, Chad Smith joined them on drums(in full Kami atire) for the last song of their set, a Judas Priest medley of Painkiller/Breaking the law. Right after he presented Su Metal with a birthday cake. The reaction of the girls which can be found on youtube, is priceless and off course there were fake candles on the cake.
Are we not allowed to link to those sorts of things?
I've been good on this site so I'll give it a shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oq9BiQxJdg
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That's awesome :metal :metal
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That was so nice....
I like how he dressed up too.
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Can't wait for tomorrow. Gonna be an epic show. Here's hoping for Road to Resistance
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I was tempted, but don't really feel like shelling out that type of cash for just Babymetal. Have zero interest in the other bands.
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Is there even any difference between Moametal and Yuimetal?
They are posed differently so you gotta get'em both.
I really hope they do the band next.
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I was tempted, but don't really feel like shelling out that type of cash for just Babymetal. Have zero interest in the other bands.
Yeah I hear ya. Its a 40 min. Set.
I did because theirs no other way I'm gonna see them again without traveling far.
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LA Paladium was a headliner show (their first ever in the US) and ran for 13 songs in total. They had Hellyeah as as support act.
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LA Paladium was a headliner show (their first ever in the US) and ran for 13 songs in total. They had Hellyeah as as support act.
Huge congrats to Babymetal. Really an awesome triumph.
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(https://i.imgur.com/mkIF6bj.jpg)
BM with Korn! It was also Yui's birthday on this show.
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They just released a new song
Distortion:
https://youtu.be/1ce456Nnkt8
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They just released a new song
Distortion:
https://youtu.be/1ce456Nnkt8
Did Herman Li quit?
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He was never part of the band. That was a one time only collaboration on one song.
I'm seeing them live on my birthday.
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Stumbled upon Bring Me The Horizon - Kingslayer feat. Babymetal.
Pretty cool song, since I haven't heard Babymetal for sometime I kinda got a shock realizing they're in their 20s now. :lol
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Babymetal to return with a concept album...
First single released...
https://youtu.be/_gUW2OnPvHI (https://youtu.be/_gUW2OnPvHI)
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I am really into their latest single release, Light and Darkness. This blend of Electronic (techno), Metal and Pop (more so the catchy melody aspect of pop music) is what I am really enjoying about music right now. The tone of the piano chords together with the guitar in the chorus has this neat effect of feeling like your drifting in the sky with the stars twinkling in a moonlit night.
This song also for some reason, makes me think of Kingdom Hearts. :biggrin:
Light and Darkness (https://youtu.be/VavzD_bTov4)
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They definitely seem to be trying to branch away from the kiddie metal gimmick that they earned their fame on, shooting for a more mature sound will see how it plays out.
They did a one take piano version of Monochrome that really showcases Su and Mao's vocals..
https://youtu.be/h-hPGRSjgms (https://youtu.be/h-hPGRSjgms)
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Just finished my first full spin of the new album, and I'm definitely impressed. They've seemed to ditch the 'Baby' part of Babymetal, and delivered a much more mature sounding album (the bar was pretty low I'll admit). Also, they've seemed to settle on a style of metal, whereas in previous albums they jumped from one to the other with abandon, this is much tighter, and much, much more focused sounding. They're not playing around here, this to me seems a venture into a serious direction for the band. Musically it's very solid, as the Kami band always is, and vocally Su is as usual without peer. She's so fucking good.
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I haven't listened to any of the singles, but will check out the album. I'm cool with them dropping some of the "baby" stuff because well, they are grown women now. But also, I believe there's been changes to the other singers leaving Su are still the main girl so if they are going the route of focusing more on her and less on the other two, it would make sense to me.
I do hope they do a US tour since they'll be in the country later this year for some festivals. I still rate the 2019 NYC show as one of the most wild mosh pits I've ever been in.
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Hoping for a tour as well... Though I'll probably hit the Saturday they play at Aftershock just to catch them in a festival setting. They're big enough to where they should get an hour set. (plus there's Polyphia, Avatar, 311,Korn and Pantera that day to make it worth the money)
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As to the singers, they just lost Yui, Moa is still the backup, but Su is the voice of the band for sure, don't think there'd be a Babymetal without her.
The singles still stand out as favorites for me, especially Monochrome, Metal Kingdom, and Divine Attack. Monochrome especially is, for me, a masterpiece track, balancing a very heavy theme (the bombing of Hiroshima) with a tinge of hope. I highly recommend watching the lyric video for that one, it's really well done.
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I think the band could keep going.
When the band first got started, I immediately saw it as a potential for what the Spanish did with the famous Menudo kid group. The group went through tons of different members (IIRC, the most famous lineup didn’t even have any original members) but the group remained.
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I'd disagree, if they lose Su for whatever reason, they're done.
She is Babymetal, I highly doubt the fan base would accept a substitute.
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She does have a lovely voice. I just think that the “project” of Babymetal is completely manufactured. And while that used to rub me the wrong way, I’ve come to appreciate that there can be artistry conducted behind the scenes in the form of songwriting and arrangement that you never see on stage.
Paul O’Neill was a great example. Once Paul got involved, Savatage slowly over time began to have less and less involvement of the Oliva brothers. Eventually getting to the point TSO was able to exist with minimal input from Jon and his creative force could go into JOP.
I don’t know who it is, but I’m sure Babymetal has its own creative entity working behind the scenes and they are just writing, arranging, and directing the pawns in the show. If it’s a good enough show, the pawns can be rearranged.
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I just think that the “project” of Babymetal is completely manufactured.
It is. There's no denying this was a record label made band. They could continue without Su IMO.
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She does have a lovely voice. I just think that the “project” of Babymetal is completely manufactured. And while that used to rub me the wrong way, I’ve come to appreciate that there can be artistry conducted behind the scenes in the form of songwriting and arrangement that you never see on stage.
Paul O’Neill was a great example. Once Paul got involved, Savatage slowly over time began to have less and less involvement of the Oliva brothers. Eventually getting to the point TSO was able to exist with minimal input from Jon and his creative force could go into JOP.
I don’t know who it is, but I’m sure Babymetal has its own creative entity working behind the scenes and they are just writing, arranging, and directing the pawns in the show. If it’s a good enough show, the pawns can be rearranged.
Could it be possible that the creators of the "project" searched for a very good female vocalist, and Su Metal was one of the best.
(edit: I edited out my explanation for why I enjoy Babymetal, as I better explained it in my following post.)
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I just think that the “project” of Babymetal is completely manufactured.
It is. There's no denying this was a record label made band. They could continue without Su IMO.
We'll definitely have to disagree. It was a manufactured project, nobody will doubt that, and even survived the death of their guitarist and the injury/early retirement of Yui, and maybe could even survive Moa bailing...but Su? Nah...they'd try, don't get me wrong, they'd certainly try, but it just wouldn't fly. If it was a few years back, maybe...but they've crucified her and brought her back to life on stage way too many times. She is Babymetal.
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I just think that the “project” of Babymetal is completely manufactured.
It is. There's no denying this was a record label made band. They could continue without Su IMO.
They could, but they won't be as big, unless they find another female singer as amazing as Su.
A great example is Redemption, look at how people are not into them anymore due to Tom Englunds vocals not being the same as Ray's vocals. People have a connection to Ray and consider him a big part of Redemption. That is what I would see happening if Su left Babymetal.
Su Metal, is not why I enjoy Babymetal entirely though, she is only a part of the whole. What I really love about Babymetal is how they blend different genres along with metal, starting off with J-Pop which was more relatable to the girls. I also did not expect them to continue making songs like Doki Doki Morning. With each album, I hear an evolution and a sort of growth from the girls.
This new album, expands on that and shows that the girls have grown up now and are not teens/kids anymore. This being a concept album also makes me feel this maturity a lot as well. I will need to translate and hope for better english translations in the future to fully grasp what the concept is.
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Well, like every band who has replaced a lead singer, there will be torn fans, but like bands who have replaced lead singer, they usually continue to live on. Such as Redemption.
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This new album, expands on that and shows that the girls have grown up now and are not teens/kids anymore. This being a concept album also makes me feel this maturity a lot as well. I will need to translate and hope for better english translations in the future to fully grasp what the concept is.
Yeah, let me know when you do...I don't think it's going to be a concept album as we formally know it here, ie a story with characters etc.. but who knows I could be wrong.
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This new album, expands on that and shows that the girls have grown up now and are not teens/kids anymore. This being a concept album also makes me feel this maturity a lot as well. I will need to translate and hope for better english translations in the future to fully grasp what the concept is.
Yeah, let me know when you do...I don't think it's going to be a concept album as we formally know it here, ie a story with characters etc.. but who knows I could be wrong.
I did find this that someone posted on a Reddit thread...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MdhdzE3TwUl3ZzA1Un4RpI4qGZ4BqjpSC8QEO6xQiQE/edit#gid=1328994585
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Well, like every band who has replaced a lead singer, there will be torn fans, but like bands who have replaced lead singer, they usually continue to live on. Such as Redemption.
I agree.
Although, I would say a lot of fans do consider Su-Metal to be an integral and important part of Babymetal. I could see them continuing, but not in the way they are now. To win over the audience acceptance of a new singer for the band, I think centering the transition around the lore, possibly tying SU leaving and the introduction of a new sort of "entity" or "speaker" role that SU-Metal plays, would be the better option to go with.
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I am loving this album. Time Wave is such a fun song, and I love the mix of Trance with Metal.
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Yep, thoroughly enjoying it. Of the ones that weren't singles, I think Maya is my fav, but Monochrome still crushes them all. I think that may pass Karate and Road of Resistance as my fav Babymetal track actually.
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Just finished my first full spin of the new album, and I'm definitely impressed. They've seemed to ditch the 'Baby' part of Babymetal, and delivered a much more mature sounding album (the bar was pretty low I'll admit). Also, they've seemed to settle on a style of metal, whereas in previous albums they jumped from one to the other with abandon, this is much tighter, and much, much more focused sounding. They're not playing around here, this to me seems a venture into a serious direction for the band. Musically it's very solid, as the Kami band always is, and vocally Su is as usual without peer. She's so fucking good.
Finally checked the album out, and I think I can see what you are talking about here and agree with it. I will say though, as much as their lyrics are cringe on some songs, I am missing those fast paced and wild songs like Gimme Chocolate or Karate. They definitely seemed to have settled into a style for this album, and sadly it doesn't include that style. Doesn't mean the album is bad, it's quite good actually, just I feel like I personally would have liked one or two of those high tempo songs that really got me into Babymetal in the first place. There's still quite a bit of diversity on the album though. I always thought they somehow did a good job mixing different genres into their sound and they continue to do that with some of the synth wave / techno stuff they have here. And yeah, the lack of the "babies" is noticeable. I also saw they didn't release any music videos with dances from the girls. I wonder if this is all part of a change to shift away from that. I hate admitting it, but I enjoyed the dances. It gave their live show something unique and it was something fun to try and follow myself when watching the music videos. (might make for a funny video to see me try to do the Megitsune dance).
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Just finished my first full spin of the new album, and I'm definitely impressed. They've seemed to ditch the 'Baby' part of Babymetal, and delivered a much more mature sounding album (the bar was pretty low I'll admit). Also, they've seemed to settle on a style of metal, whereas in previous albums they jumped from one to the other with abandon, this is much tighter, and much, much more focused sounding. They're not playing around here, this to me seems a venture into a serious direction for the band. Musically it's very solid, as the Kami band always is, and vocally Su is as usual without peer. She's so fucking good.
Finally checked the album out, and I think I can see what you are talking about here and agree with it. I will say though, as much as their lyrics are cringe on some songs, I am missing those fast paced and wild songs like Gimme Chocolate or Karate. They definitely seemed to have settled into a style for this album, and sadly it doesn't include that style. Doesn't mean the album is bad, it's quite good actually, just I feel like I personally would have liked one or two of those high tempo songs that really got me into Babymetal in the first place. There's still quite a bit of diversity on the album though. I always thought they somehow did a good job mixing different genres into their sound and they continue to do that with some of the synth wave / techno stuff they have here. And yeah, the lack of the "babies" is noticeable. I also saw they didn't release any music videos with dances from the girls. I wonder if this is all part of a change to shift away from that. I hate admitting it, but I enjoyed the dances. It gave their live show something unique and it was something fun to try and follow myself when watching the music videos. (might make for a funny video to see me try to do the Megitsune dance).
So the Live video they released for Light and Darkness doesn't count as a music video with dances from the girls? :biggrin:
The dancing is an integral aspect of Babymetal. It's a part of the presentation, and I personally love it because I consider it interpretive dancing. Each dance they have for their songs relates to the lyrics.
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I saw a fancam from their recent performance of Monochrome before it got scrubbed, and the dancing is still there. Brilliant song live actually, in the quiet part Su had the crowd turn on their flashlights, really made for a beautiful scene.
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I havent watched any live videos just the official music/lyric videos.
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Japanese fancams are nearly impossible to find, they collectively don't do it, and are to polite to break that rule.
I remember when Nemophila did their first US show, Saki was kind of bent out of shape because of all the guys filming the show instead of rocking out. She took it as they weren't solid enough a band.
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The Babymetal live concert DVDs are pretty hard to find as well. I've got a few bootlegs because they have some pretty epic concerts and I just can't seem to buy them or find them online.
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The Babymetal live concert DVDs are pretty hard to find as well. I've got a few bootlegs because they have some pretty epic concerts and I just can't seem to buy them or find them online.
Honestly, I forgot how I went about getting their live cd's. I think I did use Tengo, but I don't remember which site I used to find the cd's.
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The Babymetal live concert DVDs are pretty hard to find as well. I've got a few bootlegs because they have some pretty epic concerts and I just can't seem to buy them or find them online.
Honestly, I forgot how I went about getting their live cd's. I think I did use Tengo, but I don't remember which site I used to find the cd's.
I don't care too much about the CDs. They play to a backing track so the actual audio isn't terribly interesting to me, but the videos are great because they draw big crowds in Japan, the dancing, and all that make for a fun show to watch. I have the Budokan blu-ray because it was normally priced on Amazon. But their Forum show I have on bootleg because I couldn't find it for a decent price. Same with the Tokyo Dome shows they did. They put these for free on youtube in 2020 (Tokyo Dome shows, not sure if the Forum show every made it to youtube) like a lot of bands did during the pandemic but they were only available for a short time to watch.
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The Babymetal live concert DVDs are pretty hard to find as well. I've got a few bootlegs because they have some pretty epic concerts and I just can't seem to buy them or find them online.
Honestly, I forgot how I went about getting their live cd's. I think I did use Tengo, but I don't remember which site I used to find the cd's.
I don't care too much about the CDs. They play to a backing track so the actual audio isn't terribly interesting to me, but the videos are great because they draw big crowds in Japan, the dancing, and all that make for a fun show to watch. I have the Budokan blu-ray because it was normally priced on Amazon. But their Forum show I have on bootleg because I couldn't find it for a decent price. Same with the Tokyo Dome shows they did. They put these for free on youtube in 2020 (Tokyo Dome shows, not sure if the Forum show every made it to youtube) like a lot of bands did during the pandemic but they were only available for a short time to watch.
I think they did have the DVD's. But I wanted the cd's since I like the live feel of the show, they also do not play to a backing track, it's all the Kami Band live. Although, they do utilize backing tracks for things such as backing vocals.
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They 100% play to a backing track. The babies aren't live and they use a lot of synths that aren't even represented live. I have my doubts about the Kami band being live as well. They certainly don't sound it, but that could just be to auto tune and the backing tracks.
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Well, I'm going to see the tour with Babymetal and Dethklok, so I guess I'll have to actually make an attempt to listen to this band now. :lol
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I secured my ticket for Denver as well. :metal :metal :metal
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Kind of pissed about the announced tour dates, only thing within 400 miles of me is the Aftershock festival, so to see them I'll have to drop 200+ for the day to see a shorter set. Really wanted them in a headlining gig too.
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I'm not happy either as it falls on my brother's wedding weekend. Oh well.
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Well, I'm going to see the tour with Babymetal and Dethklok, so I guess I'll have to actually make an attempt to listen to this band now. :lol
Okay I'm doing the thing
Well, they definitely have some good songs. Megitsune and Road Of Resistance have been the best so far I think, even if the latter is just a Dragonforce song in everything but vocals. :lol That said, each of their albums I've heard kinda feels like eating an entire bag of candy and liking it at first but just being totally sick of it by the end. Except for their most recent one, which was just boring.
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In other Babymetal news, they did a collaboration with rapper Lil Uzi, which is rather meh in my opinion, but the whole online BM fan community is completely losing their shit about it, accusing producer Koba of selling out etc... it's frikkin hilarious..