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Title: Lucien's Roulette - THE END
Post by: Lucien on February 23, 2014, 09:47:11 PM
This is my first roulette, and it is pretty obvious by the results of my participation in other roulettes that I need to expand my tastes a bit.  :lol My banned bands will be very few, therefore you will know very little of what I will actually enjoy.

List of participants:
                                                         
-Shadow Ninja 2.0
-Buddyhunter1
-Adace
-Senecadawg2
-Ben_Jamin
-Elite
-LieLowTheWantedMan
-Lonestar
                                                         
Banned bands:
                                                         
Dream Theater
Rush
Porcupine Tree
Levin Minnemann Rudess
Liquid Tension Experiment
Haken
Genesis
Yes
The Enid
Paul Winter Consort
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
Vangelis
Mad King Corduroy
Journey
Elton John
Led Zeppelin
Wolves in the Throne Room
Devin Townsend Project (and Ziltoid)
Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Dmitri Shostakovich
Igor Stravinsky
Camille Saint-Saens
There are probably a few others. I will let you know if I'm familiar with it, in which case you will resend.
                                                         

Other rules: 2 songs from one band and it's banned, though there shouldn't be much of a problem with this due to the variety of themes.

There will be only 5 rounds, and points will go from 0-20 (as to keep ties from happening)

Round 1: Nostalgia
Round 2: Classical/Soundtracks
Round 3: Centerpiece
Round 4: Ambient
Round 5: Open

Send me anything you think I will like. I do not know most of your tastes, so there will be minimal, if any, possible bias. Just send what you like the most. I got pretty messed up in both of the previous roulettes sending material I myself didn't like that I thoguht they might. DUN DO DAT.

FYI: You are taking a big risk if you're sending me something with a large presence of harsh vocals, though in some cases it can be great (see: Devin Townsend).
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 23, 2014, 09:53:32 PM
hey ive got some lousy music i can send you

or not whatever




btw: any particular rules or things for this game?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 23, 2014, 09:55:43 PM
I think I'll be joining this one. :)
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette
Post by: adace on February 23, 2014, 10:09:48 PM
I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette
Post by: Lucien on February 23, 2014, 10:18:53 PM
hey ive got some lousy music i can send you

or not whatever




btw: any particular rules or things for this game?

Well, I put the round themes up, and 2 songs from one band - :bosk1:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 23, 2014, 10:23:40 PM
Five rounds seems pretty damn short...
Ah well.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Lucien on February 23, 2014, 10:26:03 PM
Five rounds seems pretty damn short...
Ah well.

If I make a v2, it will most likely be longer. I do have quite a bit of work over the next few weeks, mostly this week, and I'll be gone over the entirety of Spring Break, so I'm trying to keep anyone from getting angry.  ;D
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 23, 2014, 11:06:29 PM
I'm in!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 24, 2014, 12:11:42 AM
I've always wanted to try a roulette myself. Participating in one is a good place to get my feet wet, I'm in.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Elite on February 24, 2014, 02:33:26 AM
I can give you music! Sign me up, if you'll have me.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 24, 2014, 03:34:57 AM
I'll give 'er a go. :)
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: lonestar on February 24, 2014, 08:41:14 AM
Let's do this shit  :RJ:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Lucien on February 24, 2014, 04:59:30 PM
Got all of you  ;)

Start sending me songs for round one (Lonestar has already sent his), but know that the roulette doesn't "start" till next week, when I will actually be able to listen to the songs.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 24, 2014, 05:05:23 PM
Before we do that, could you maybe explain the "nostalgia" theme a bit more?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 24, 2014, 05:07:22 PM
Yeah, I'd like that as well. Is it a song that makes me nostalgic? Does that have to be a song I've known for a long time, or just any song that conjures up nostalgia for me? Or maybe even a song about nostalgia.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Lucien on February 24, 2014, 05:23:41 PM
I think we'll go with any song that conjures one's nostalgia. Not necessarily a song that you've known a long time, but a song that makes you feel good (or bad :dunno:) about the past.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 24, 2014, 05:24:55 PM
Cool. I'll send within the next hour.

And sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 24, 2014, 06:53:31 PM
Cool theme. I'll get you something soon!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 24, 2014, 06:58:20 PM
Oh, btw, for future rounds, is there any time limit on songs?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 24, 2014, 07:00:34 PM
sent!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 24, 2014, 08:03:16 PM
Sent...
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Lucien on February 24, 2014, 08:04:00 PM
Oh, btw, for future rounds, is there any time limit on songs?

I'd like time under 15 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: lonestar on February 24, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
but a song that makes you feel good (or bad :dunno:) about the past.

Mine fits into the theme of the album as nostalgic, in a negative manner.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 24, 2014, 09:31:28 PM
Sent!
PM includes two links. The first one is the song by itself with pretty poor quality (only one I could find), and the second one is the full album with much better quality.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: adace on February 25, 2014, 01:22:12 AM
sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: jingle.boy on February 25, 2014, 06:10:25 PM
Following and shit.

Very interesting theme.  Can't wait to see what was played.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 25, 2014, 07:25:40 PM
This theme is proving challenging as I can't think of anything I find nostalgic that follows your tastes. But it will arise. :lol
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette (SIGN UP)
Post by: Lucien on February 25, 2014, 07:30:22 PM
Elite is the only one who hasn't sent. Again, I won't be listening to these till next week, and results should be... Sometime later that week. Take your time, Elite.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia (pending)
Post by: Elite on February 26, 2014, 07:03:47 AM
That what I though too and that's why I haven't sent yet, though I can send you something tonight if you really want to?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia (pending)
Post by: Lucien on February 26, 2014, 03:46:29 PM
I don't want to be tempted to do it early, I need to practice bass and crap for this Saturday  :lol

So no, you don't have to send soon  ;D
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia (pending)
Post by: Elite on February 28, 2014, 03:59:12 AM
Hi, I just sent. Bye.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia (pending)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 02, 2014, 10:29:29 AM
So, now that it's time for you to listen to these, I recommend listening to mine first, and then not listening to any of the others. :p
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia (pending)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 05, 2014, 10:11:12 AM
Lucien, I am disappoint.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia (pending)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 05, 2014, 10:15:13 AM
Hopefully, he'll post tonight.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia (pending)
Post by: Lucien on March 05, 2014, 02:27:24 PM
Sorry  :-[ I will try to get results out later today
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia (pending)
Post by: Lucien on March 05, 2014, 04:44:25 PM
-Shadow Ninja 2.0
Thousand Foot Krutch: Forward Motion

That was a really bad quality link  :lol Don't worry though, it didn't take away much. This song is ridiculously catchy, and by like the third listen I was already singing along with it. "let's keep it moving in a forward motion.." The subtle piano strikes during those lines really strikes my fancy. Melodically, this song really works out. I could definitely see this song being nostalgic to anyone. Unfortunately, there isn't really much else to this song, though this song has exceeded my expectations, being a pop-rock Christian-esque song. Really great.
14/20

-Buddyhunter1
Oceansize - The Frame

This is quite an interesting one. Starts off with a very minimalistic guitar playing a simple monophonic melody. Then another guitar (or bass) comes in, and some effects are heard, complicating the melody. A brush of texture here and there. The progression on top of the common melody adds a lot of interest. Some of the effects even sound poppy, showing off the sort-of uplifting nature of the song, emphasized by the lyrics and singing that come in later. Suddenly, drums, and other effects come in, bringing the simple melody (still playing) to a kind of realization. The only thing that I really have against is it's length. I do have to say that the ending fade-out with the guitar is excellent.
16/20

-Adace
Alcest - Souvenirs d'Un Autre Monde

Wow. I would have to say that this is quite an entrance to shoegaze for me, though I have heard some music like this. The vocals are just  :heart and it sounds so uplifting and great. Acoustic guitars are delicious and smooth when they exist. Really though, the vocals are just SO BEAUTIFUL. I don't have much to write about this one because.. Ohh. I like this. I like this a lot. Guitars compliment the dreamy vocals, both acoustic and electric, and are quite good on their own in that regard, in the instrumental section. Bookmarked.
17/20

-Senecadawg2
David Gray: Disappearing World

Talk about emotional piano. I don't know if this song should make me sad or happy. The vocalist sounds a little strange to me, but that doesn't really matter all that much. Lyrics are really great. The sections where there are a ton more instruments playing, with the soaring vocals, with the piano pulsing in the background, especially please me. Then those sections transition back into the void, and the piano is all that's left, before a few of the other instruments come back. I really like this one.
16/20

-Ben_Jamin
Faunts: So Far Away

Oh man. I hear the beats and I think I'm going to hear some weak pop song. Weak is like the opposite word of what I would use to describe this. This is great. Subtle melody from all the instruments, with the beat in the background with sort of a driving force to it, contrasted by the laid back feel of everything else. Nice, dreamy vocals. A rather simple song, and actually rather short, but this is just so good. Bookmarked.
18/20

-Elite
David Bowie: Life on Mars

I don't know if the music video helps or hurts you :lol This is a nice pop song, a la Elton John. In fact, this reminds me a lot of Elton John. Here is a simple, catchy melody, with a pretty great vocalist, and some pretty funny lyrics. Is there life on MAAARRRSSS??? I really don't get the lyrics, actually, but the presentation of them and the strength of the vocalist really helps. I don't have much more to say about this song, but it's good. :lol
15/20

-LieLowTheWantedMan
Queens of the Stone Age: No One Knows

What a FUN song! Super catchy melody within the instruments, though the vocal lines seem to be lacking for me. The lyrics also don't make much sense to me. That doesn't matter to me, as this song is so catchy, like the one Shadow Ninja sent, though I like the catchiness a bit more in this song. The bridge is fantastic, and honestly outshines everything else in the song. Then suddenly, bass and more vocals, then the catchy, choppy guitar and bass. Really nice, catchy song, and I don't know why you thought I would dislike. I was rather confused by the spanish section though :lol
14/20

-Lonestar
Thoughts Factory: No Way Out

I've certainly heard of this band, and what an entrance it was. This song is freakishly aggressive, and the heaviest thing I got this round by far. Actually reminds me of DT a lot, though the mix/master is a lot better. Vocals are really good, and dayyyuuum, that guitar playing is just ridiculous. Not to mention this is a debut album! That chorus is really great, and talk about soaring vocals. Wow, that keyboard solo is surprising, then drums come in, then bass comes in, ten everything else. Then suddenly a VERY Rudess-like solo. This is about as Dream Theater-esque as one can possibly get twithout being Dream Theater  ;D Right after that solo, though is a really cool section with time signature stuff all over again, then the chorus comes back.. This song is really great.
16/20

Results, for tl;dr:

Shadow Ninja - 14
Buddyhunter - 16
Adace - 17
Seneca - 16
Benjamin - 18
Elite - 15
Lielow - 14
Lonestar - 16

A very consistent round, and lots of great music.  ;D

ROUND 2: Either send me a classical piece (remember the time limit of 15 minutes  ::)), or a piece from a soundtrack (video game, movie, TV show, etc etc)

Just note that I will be away all next week. Send your songs, but I can't listen to them till the monday after next. I promise the rounds will be much quicker after this one.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 05, 2014, 04:47:42 PM
oh no


Sorry about the link, didn't even check it. :lol   Next song will be sent soon.

And sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 05, 2014, 05:09:47 PM
I'm glad you enjoyed that and I'll be sure to send soon!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 05, 2014, 05:14:17 PM
Glad you liked the song. Your description is actually how I felt when I first heard it.

Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: lonestar on March 05, 2014, 05:24:57 PM
Cool man, glad you enjoyed it.

Round two sent!!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: adace on March 05, 2014, 05:57:36 PM
Sweet, glad you dug that one.

Sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 05, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
Soooooo, what video games have you played?

Just asking cuz there's some amazing video game soundtracks that might be a bit too obvious (meaning you've probably already played the game)
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on March 05, 2014, 08:58:11 PM
I've played a ton, but there are quite a few rather obvious games that I haven't played. Just send whatever you like most, and if I'm familiar with it, I'll just tell you to send again.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 06, 2014, 10:54:10 PM
Sent
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on March 17, 2014, 08:53:23 PM
Elite still needs to send. Bunch of resends this round, because I know too much of this crap.  :lol
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 17, 2014, 11:06:45 PM
Guess I'm scott free.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Elite on March 18, 2014, 04:12:31 AM
Will look into when I get home. Completely forgot about this one, I'm sorry!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Elite on March 18, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Sent just now.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Elite on March 22, 2014, 11:17:53 AM
This is probably partly due to me, but this has got to be the slowest moving roulette ever. One month has passed and we've had only one round. When can we expect results for round 2?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on March 22, 2014, 11:19:44 AM
Very soon. I'm thinking either later today or tomorrow. This was because of the ton of resends, mostly. LieLow resent earlier today. Wasn't expecting this to be a difficult round  :lol

The next rounds should be a ton easier.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 25, 2014, 08:41:41 PM
:police: You're late
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on March 25, 2014, 09:27:49 PM
 :facepalm:

I *PROMISE* to have it done tomorrow. Oh my God, I need to stop procrastinating. :justshootme:

I'm really sorry about this round. We'll significantly speed up for the next 3 rounds after this. Hopefully we don't have any resend issues during the next rounds, but I never imagined this would be the difficult round. There is some really great stuff this round.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 25, 2014, 09:33:33 PM
Also that crap I sent. :P
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 25, 2014, 09:34:19 PM
Yeah sorry. I know basically nothing in soundtracks or classical music. :lol
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 25, 2014, 09:38:02 PM
I was originally going to send something from The Social Network's soundtrack, but I don't know the tracks very well and I didn't want to listen through the whole thing at the time, so... that's why I sent what I sent. :lol
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 26, 2014, 10:40:40 AM
Good thing there's only three more rounds, otherwise we'd be here all year. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 26, 2014, 10:42:50 AM
Both you and Lucien are really lagging, man.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on March 26, 2014, 06:58:05 PM
This has gone on long enough.

-Shadow Ninja 2.0
Sound of Noise - Doctor, Doctor (soundtrack)

 :lol This sentence describes my feeling of this song:
What the hell, that was awesome, funny, and disturbing at the same time.
I have no clue what this song really is in the context of the movie, but it actually works pretty well as a standalone instrumental. The clip it self didn't really make much sense to me, but that doesn't really matter. Musically, the song was pretty catchy, and all of the "instruments" used were pretty genius. I like it.
15/20

-Buddyhunter1 (soundtrack)
Chrono Trigger - To Far Away Times

Right off the bat I know this is my kind of music. It instantly registers pretty smoothly in my head, images floating around and stuff. I haven't played this game, but I've heard it mentioned a lot, especially by friends of mine. Sounds like something very nostalgic to you. All the instruments work perfectly together in this song, with the pulsing bass defining very smoothly the key. The piano/bass duet is my favorite part, where much of that distinctiveness is obscured, until the other instruments come back and redefine the key. I like this a lot, and might get the game it comes from. Bookmarked.
16/20

-Adace
Maurice Ravel - Daybreak (classical)

Oh, man. Ohhhh, man. This song is just right. Fluttery winds, wavy basses, defining the melody... I have so much yet so little to say about this song. The harmony is so great, OH I love this piece. The development, the transitions, the melody, the harmony, it's so PERFECT.  :heart :heart :heart Bookmarked.
20/20

-Senecadawg2
Clint Mansell - Death is the Road to Awe (soundtrack)

Ooh. This is intriguing. Nice bass foundation, loving the melody in the violins... There's a lot of good in this one. Chimes work really well with the piece later on... Cellos, violins... Some really great transitions.. Descending scale in the bass section is amazing. Okay, there are the chimes again. Reminds me of that really big bell instrument played like a keyboard, the chimes. Guitars come in, really nice, and it appears we have full development, theeen quiet, with rumbling basses. Then it all comes back again, with another violin solo.. I really like this one. Bookmarked.
17/20

-Ben_Jamin
Kingdom Hearts II - Passion (After the Battle) (soundtrack)

Now, I'm actually very aware of Kingdom Hearts, but I never recalled hearing this song, so I let you send it to me. Some nice subtleties going on here, and obviously the many themes of Kingdom Hearts are present here, but not so many that I would force you to resend. After the first group of themes, there is a really triumphant part, albeit with a few of the themes in the game, but presented in a new, refreshing way that makes me enjoy the piece quite a bit more than some of the standalone songs. Really great.
16/20

-Elite
Benjamin Britten - Sinfonia da Requiem, Op. 20 (classical)

I. I had my speakers way up the first time listening, and wow did that surprise me.  :o Anyways, I like the low, funeral march sound of this first section. Getting some Stravinsky vibes from what I'm hearing, actually. Lots of nasty dissonance, unsurprising for a requiem. I am actually really surprised that I'm listening to the same guy who wrote the Simple Symphony, which was a lot lighter, though I feel a sort of misty rain from both pieces. The bitter march continues, tension builds, the pow! Cymbal crash, tremolo strings, brass melody... Timpani returns with pulsing, thundering on.. Then it goes quiet. The flute makes an entrance, and the 2nd movement starts, with violin pulsing, and sounds that imitate a horse ride. Xylophone parts (star wars much?) are really cool, and holy cow, is that 7/8 I hear? Trumpets and other winds dominate the melody this movement. Lots of awesome percussion, almost like Leonard Bernstein's stuff. I like. Third movement (I think), and it gets really quiet, with lower instruments and flutes dominating. Wow, this is creepy. Oh wait, there goes the dissonance. Not so creepy now. Actually kind of sad sounding. It is a requiem after all. The piece is now very calm, and is that a rumbling timpani under the violins? Oh yes, that's what that is, I think. Very rainy sounding. Another build up, a few cymbal strikes, gets quieter.. Piccolo, plucked strings, solo violinist.. Really great. I like this piece a lot. Bookmarked.
18/20

-LieLowTheWantedMan
Akira Yamaoka - A Stray Child (soundtrack)

Talk about dark ambient.  Starts out very simple, then slowly gains actual tonality. Then suddenly a drum starts giving us a distinctive beat. Other notes start flying in from many directions. Slowly, the piece gains complexity, but remains simple in idea and structure. Liking this. The drums get a bit more ragged, electric. Suddenly, other instruments join and form a real melody. When that section is over, it steps back one stage, then the instruments come back. I like the tone of everything, and this has a really nice atmosphere. Bookmarked.
17/20

-Lonestar
Aaron Copland - Appalachian Spring (classical)

A single, sustained note, like the wind. A flute occurs, the wind shifts direction through the mountains and trees. A certain sense of beauty. Birds dance in the sky. Other animals join the merriment as spring arrives. The birds triumphantly call that spring has arrived (trumpet/horn duet). What a triumphant song. I like the melodies a lot, even if they are rather simple in orchestration and harmony. I really do enjoy this piece. The flute returns as the birds and animals are all content in the realization that there is yet another year of feeding, dancing, and basking in light.
17/20

Shadow Ninja - 29
Buddyhunter - 32
Adace - 37
Seneca - 33
Benjamin - 34
Elite - 33
Lielow - 31
Lonestar - 33

And currently in a 3 point lead is Adace!

Round 3 - Send an album's centerpiece. Take that word as you will, either literally as the center of the album, or actually as the "great" song on the album, whether is be the one considered the best by whatever fanbase it has, title track, etc.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 26, 2014, 07:53:31 PM
Sent!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 26, 2014, 08:04:43 PM
Haha, I thought I was posting obfuscations thread.



Edit: I'm guessing you never beat the game?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 1: Nostalgia RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on March 26, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
Haha, I thought I was posting obfuscations thread.



Edit: I'm guessing you never beat the game?

Oh lol.

I've beaten the game, I just don't recall the song :dunno:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Bolsters on March 26, 2014, 09:10:12 PM
To Far Away Times :metal
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: lonestar on March 27, 2014, 01:25:06 AM
Sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: adace on March 27, 2014, 02:21:11 AM
Thrilled you enjoyed it so much. Thanks for the perfect score! :hat

Will send soon.

Edit: Sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on March 31, 2014, 08:12:58 PM
Still need Elite and Lielow's submissions.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 31, 2014, 10:20:06 PM
I just remembered earlier I didn't send. But I did now
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Rattlehead on April 01, 2014, 08:53:32 AM
To Far Away Times :metal

I have to come out of my lurk-mode to say that I am pleasantly surprised to see this song in a survivor  :metal One of my favorite games/soundtracks of all time  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Elite on April 01, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
Still need Elite and Lielow's submissions.

Just sent mine.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 01, 2014, 09:51:39 PM
Got all the submissions, results should be around the weekend.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 05, 2014, 07:29:31 PM
:bump:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 2: Soundtrack/Classical RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 05, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
Tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 06, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
You guys gave me a ton of music  :lol

-Shadow Ninja 2.0
Avantasia - The Scarecrow

This is an interesting piece. Love the beginning of the song, with the sort of classical melody, and then the other instruments come in. This certainly SOUNDS like the big song on an album. Listen to those soaring vocals during the chorus. Sort of a pirate  :yarr prog metal piece? I enjoyed it.
17/20

-Buddyhunter1
Nightwish - Ghost Love Score

I like the melody of it, how refined it sounds, very great. The choir sounds a bit electronic, but that's probably because it is.  :lol It's not a turn-off though, just something I noticed. Then the other instruments come in, then a quieter part, with, guess what, female vocals! Not surprising, as this is symphonic metal after all. I like her singing. More big metal parts, then a REALLY quiet part, that I like a lot. The middle section, with soaring strings, and feels much more like an actual symphony. Sometimes I wonder why these symphonic metal artists don't try writing an ACTUAL symphony. I want to hear like a collaboration of all the huge prog and symphonic metal artists to make a single, huge SYMPHONY. Rambling over, I like this song a lot. Bookmarked.
18/20

-Adace
Katatonia - My Twin

This sort of reminds me of the Alcest song you sent me, at least with the tone of the vocals, except it isn't drony and has a bit more dynamic contrast, as it isn't shoegaze. The vocals are the biggest reason I like this song. Short, but sweet. It's a great song.
16/20

-Senecadawg2
Opeth - Windowpane

I'm already enjoying this with the introductory 30 seconds. The bass line (I think it's the bass) is just so great, with the dissonant chord constantly hitting, until it hides away when the vocals come back in. Then a different instrumental section comes in, with a really great guitar solo. Vocals come back in, guitar solo comes back.. Enjoying the vibe of this song a lot. A different instrumental section comes in, with the dissonant chords in the bass hitting again. The bass really makes this song. Gets quieter.. Deep, dark guitar solo, that doesn't overexert itself at all. The bass comes back with that AMAZING dissonant riff. I really like this song. There's something that it reminds me of, though I can't put my finger on it...
18/20

-Ben_Jamin
The Arkitecht - Hyperstructure

I enjoy the guitar a lot here, but you definitely decided to take a risk here with the harsh vocals. This is a weird hybrid. It's obviously metal, but it feels rather quiet in parts, even with the drums going really fast. I kinda feel the same way about someone who would feel about listening to The Count of Tuscany for the first time. It doesn't feel like a "serious" song, like, at all. It has a sort of humorous feel to it, but since I was too lazy to look for the lyrics, I have no clue whether or not it's actually supposed to feel serious.  :lol Suddenly, a quiet part with electric-sounding violins, really fast, light cymbals, like the rain come in, and the guy's high-pitched vocals. Then a guitar solo comes in with the same beat as the rainy cymbals. I appreciate that, but I don't like the harsh vocals all that much. Certainly not a bad song, though.
15/20

-Elite
Transatlantic - Duel With the Devil

Awesome introduction with strings and piano, into the rest of the instruments. As with a few of the other Transatlantic epics I've listened to, they like to draw out sections a LOT. There are some really great proggy riffs going on here. This first instrumental section doesn't really explain a lot though.  :lol OH. There are the vocals. Now the song makes sense, and holy crap I like these lyrics. Wow, this song just got a lot better. Again, they really like to draw out their sections, though. Quieter section with keyboard and acoustic guitars, vocals.. Nice underlying bass, when audible. This is a nice section. More instrumental.. Quieter again, almost ambient. I like this section. Great guitar solo. Suddenly saxophone lol. There are the vocals again, with a chorus behind him, then the saxophone again, with its really great melody. Then we're at another quirky instrumental section that kind of reminds me of Kaleidoscope, that I enjoy. It becomes quiet, with acoustics, sort of as a stylistic reprise to an earlier section. There's an interesting section with a children's choir (I think), that I like a lot. Big, epic instrumental finale. This song was really great. Bookmarked.
18/20

-LieLowTheWantedMan
Pavement - Gold Soundz

Ohh, a nice, catchy, short, proggy (?) song, with interchanging 8/4 and 7/4 measures, except during the chorus. I like this song a lot, though there isn't much to say about it, unlike the above TA song.  :lol I love the chorus of this song. This song ends way too quickly, though, but I like it a lot.
16/20

-Lonestar
Beyond the Bridge - The Difference is Human

The keyboard intro intrigues me, as it sounds very adventurous. This song is very epic in style, as is most power metal. This is really great. The somewhat quieter section sound just as adventurous as the first, and great. There is a duet between a male and female vocalist that sounds great. Is it just me, or are the lyrics really cheesy though?  :lol Could just be it being power/prog metal though. I love all the riffs and melodies though. This song is really great. Bookmarked.
17/20

Shadow Ninja - 46
Buddyhunter - 50
Adace - 53
Seneca - 51
Benjamin - 49
Elite - 51
Lielow - 47
Lonestar - 50

Adace is still in the lead, but the others are gaining on him!


ROUND 4- Send me a song that will put me into a trance, a state above normal life. Send me an AMBIENT song, and use the term loosely. As you may have figured out from my scoring, I'm a SUCKER for ambient pieces.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 06, 2014, 10:32:28 PM
Yes, that song is meant to be serious. But its his first effort, not bad I'd say.

I got one for you.....
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 06, 2014, 11:09:47 PM
Glad you enjoyed the song! Opeth truly is great, in my opinion, even if you're not a big fan of the growls.

And sent!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: adace on April 07, 2014, 02:35:33 AM
Bit disappointed with that score, but I'm still glad you like it.

Sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 07, 2014, 06:41:23 AM
How does Duel with the Devil not get a 20?

And more importantly, how have you been a member of this forum for so long and not heard Transatlantic?!?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 07, 2014, 11:54:46 AM
Sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: ? on April 07, 2014, 12:09:16 PM
And more importantly, how have you been a member of this forum for so long and not heard Transatlantic?!?
I've been around for 4.5 years and the first time I heard a Transatlantic song was a month ago :blush

:tup to Seneca and Adace for great song picks!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 07, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
How does Duel with the Devil not get a 20?

And more importantly, how have you been a member of this forum for so long and not heard Transatlantic?!?

Here's something super controversial. I felt the sections were drawn out way longer than they needed to be.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 07, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
Holy crap, 7/8 sent already.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 07, 2014, 04:49:23 PM
I won't be on here at all this week until next week. Just giving a heads up
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 07, 2014, 05:19:15 PM
That means just me left. :lol I love ambient music, but I'm not sure how ambient to go.

EDIT: Sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 13, 2014, 07:03:49 AM
:bump:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: jingle.boy on April 13, 2014, 07:45:50 AM
:bump:

That's not a bump.

(https://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/bump/grand/bump_gut_gif.gif)

THAT'S a bump.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 13, 2014, 08:00:49 AM
Lol. Will have results out today.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 3: Centerpiece RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 13, 2014, 08:28:09 AM
Were you waiting for me to come back?.....

Nah, its cool I didn't miss the results.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 13, 2014, 07:52:19 PM
I'm a sucker for ambient. Most of you will get pretty high scores  :lol

-Shadow Ninja 2.0
BT: All That Makes Us Human Continues
This is an interesting piece of ambient. Within it, one is not really moving anywhere, but suspended in light. A good light. A very lovely piece, almost innocent, except later in the song, when it gets a bit creepy, but that just builds up into a different section with bass, going back into the lighter area later. What makes us human? Emotion, love, anger, and a lack of constant fear. I like this piece a lot. Bookmarked.
17/20

-Buddyhunter1
Storm Corrosion: Storm Corrosion
Beautiful flute. There is the wind. There are the clouds. There is the stream (with the guitar). Great vocals. Very light, and naturalistic. I love this piece. Nothing exists in excess, just naturally placed melodies over a quick guitar base, at least in the beginning. So much to love. I truly love a piece when there is an entire place that I can see while listening to a song. The mood changes rather abruptly at one section, but the melodies just become SO GREAT. Every instrument playing something completely different, every instrument creating some other small feeling improving all the others. Shortly after this great section, there is a much darker ambient section with droning bass, which was a bit unnerving on the first listen, but it really fits. There is the storm. The storm builds up, the rain starts falling, suddenly the tension of the storm disappears, and something new is formed. There's the flute. Tremolo strings indicate rain falling. Beautiful. Bookmarked.
19/20

-Adace
Hammock: Breathturn
This was actually the first one I listened to. The video very much enhances the experience of the song. There is certainly a lot of light in this one, and it reminds me a lot of the Faunts song given to me earlier in the roulette. Wonderful melodies, and an interesting video that I have not quite gotten, though there was a small discussion in the comments about what it's supposed to be about. Really great.
16/20

-Senecadawg2
Ulver: EOS
Wow, wonderful synth chords. I love the pad they are using for this, and the album cover basically reflects my thoughts. And wonderful baritone vocal melodies. So much to love. Like, holy crap there is so much good about this, the lower end, the upper end, EVERYTHING. I LOVE THIS. Beautiful. I could almost say... It's perfect. Bookmarked.
20/20

-Ben_Jamin
Atoma: Rainmen
The second least ambient song I received here, at least in my definition, but the melodies are really, really great. It does certainly put you in a place above simple Earth. Most of the other song take you to places like fields and rivers and clouds.. This one takes you to the stars, and is a very blue song. Some of my favorite songs are blue. Extremely powerful guitar melodies, vocal melodies, and everything else. Lots to love. Bookmarked.
18/20

-Elite (you were right)
Anathema: A Simple Mistake
I kinda expected someone (or some people) to send Anathema, and I was secretly hoping that neither sent something off of Judgement Day, as I had already heard that album in full. I like this a lot. Time signature changes, great vocal melodies, and the other instruments going in and out of the stream, adding little things and micromanaging the airspace. Wonderful, snowy melodies, as it is a very white song.
17/20

-LieLowTheWantedMan
Bohren and Der Club of Gore: Midnight Black Earth
Intense chords. I have a chord progression saved that reminds me of this, that I actually called "Midnight Breeze", and I use the chord progression in a little synth piece I made a while back. Wow, this is synth jazz. I usually don't like jazz that much. Wow, this is great. Dark, as I would expect. A completely black song except for the little variations in color that appear with the melodies. Very high contrast in color, but still "dark". Anyone outside of obscure musical knowledge would probably enjoy this. Anyone could lay down and relax to this. It's beautiful. Then the saxophone comes in, and everything drops. There is the mood, the clouds, the wind, the stars, the moon. It's amazing, really. Bookmarked.
19/20

-Lonestar (you were also right)
Anathema: Untouchable

The one "epic" I get this round. Wonderfully fast for ambient, though this is probably the least ambient song I received this round. I really need to look more into Anathema, because they do such a good job at making shining melodies that really catch a person. Part one is fast, then part two comes in with a beautiful piano melody, and sounds like a 70's pop ballad, in the beginning. Really great. This vocalist really does something for me that I enjoy a lot. Then suddenly strings come in for a second, and it becomes more modern, and there is a female vocalist that I REALLY like. Then they sing together and :heart. This piece is really great. "I had to let you go, to find a way back hooooooooooooooooooooooooome." There is really just so much to love. Nearer to the end, it almost sounds like film score. Anathema should write a film score. Hmmm. Bookmarked
18/20

Shadow Ninja -  63
Buddyhunter - 69
Adace - 69
Seneca - 71
Benjamin - 67
Elite - 68
Lielow - 66
Lonestar - 68

And so Seneca has jumped into the lead! FINAL ROUND: OPEN! Send me what you consider the best song ever given to humanity (as long as my banned list doesn't interfere)!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 13, 2014, 08:10:17 PM
Tied for 2nd/3rd :eek

I'll have to think about this one for a bit.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 13, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
I had a feeling you would like the Ulver track. It's my go-to for ambient rounds
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 13, 2014, 10:30:57 PM
I knew I should've given you a Carbon Based Anatomy song.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 16, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
Sent!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 18, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
Only 4 people have sent. Still need Adace, Benjamin, Elite, and Lielow's submissions.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: adace on April 20, 2014, 07:52:41 PM
Sorry for the delay, been busy the last few days. Sent.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Elite on April 21, 2014, 04:54:01 AM
Well, I was away last week. I just sent you my 'song' for the final round.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Elite on April 24, 2014, 04:36:50 AM
So, how is this one coming along then?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 24, 2014, 02:07:27 PM
Still missing Benjamin's, but these are all very good  ;D
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 24, 2014, 02:14:28 PM
With a very clear winner, I hope  ;)
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Elite on April 28, 2014, 03:29:45 PM
So, how is this one coming along then?
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 28, 2014, 04:07:24 PM
Results tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 29, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
TOMORROW, I promise. I had a ton of crap today.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: PixelDream on April 30, 2014, 07:19:34 AM
Bohren's new album Piano Nights is great as well.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on April 30, 2014, 10:04:15 PM
Oh my God.  :facepalm:

I can't believe this is the third time I have to say tomorrow. God damn it. I promise, 100%, it WILL BE TOMORROW AND WE CAN BE DONE WITH THIS.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 30, 2014, 10:14:49 PM
I don't mind waiting all that much, but just some friendly advice (a bit too late now, with the end of the roulette)- you may be better off not telling us anything at all. I know that I have wanted to post the results tomorrow! message more than a couple times, thankfully decided against it and then ended up not posting the next day. It saves you the trouble of having to feel guilty, and for the most part no one is going to mind waiting as long as you don't build up their anticipation. Also, I'm looking forward to the final results! I felt good about my submission, hopefully you did too  :smiley:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: jingle.boy on May 01, 2014, 05:54:58 AM
Lucien... Perhaps now just isn't a good time for you to be running this?  Everyone gets that life is more of a priority than a DTF roulette, but if you are too busy to be able to listen to 8 songs a few times and write a couple sentences on each, and can't do so in less than 2 or 3 weeks ... Well, it's not really fair/fun for anyone, least of all yourself. People start losing interest, and the whole purpose of this is to discover new music in a fun way.

Just a thought ...
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Elite on May 01, 2014, 09:08:39 AM
Well, this was the last round of the Roulette, so after he posts these final write-ups and scores, the thing is over. Then again, it has been running for more than 2 months - and that's quite a lot with only 5 rounds.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: jingle.boy on May 01, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
Ah.  Didn't realize it was that few # of rounds.

Never mind then!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - 4: Ambient RESULTS
Post by: Lucien on May 01, 2014, 03:35:50 PM
Yeah, it'll be done soon. It may be a very long time before I try another one though  :lol
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - THE END
Post by: Lucien on May 01, 2014, 07:36:21 PM
-Shadow Ninja 2.0
The Ocean - Signals of Anxiety
The first thing that came to my head was movie soundtrack. Then it gets better and better... A building up like many good pieces I love. Everything is great. Even the vocals are just.. hugely powerful. A certain desperation in the voice, being cast into that ocean that the album is famous for. Drowning, slowly...
18/20

-Buddyhunter1
Riverside - Escalator Shrine
Instantly we descend into airy ambient territory. Oh wait, is that Home I hear? Oh wow, this is jazzy. The vocals are really nice. Sounds a lot like the older pop rock, except with a progressive hue. Wow, it got a ton more metal, and I'm really liking this. Awesome riffs in between the vocals. The quiet section afterwards is really great, then afterwards towards the end of the song, when the vocals come back. The outro is beautiful
17/20

-Adace
Ulver - Blinded by Blood
Another ambient piece by Ulver, I see. The beginning of the piece is rather minimalist, which I enjoy. Then, from behind the mix comes a rather creepy sounding synth part, but it is overshadowed by the beautiful chorus-sounding synth. The real vocals are really great, and I LOVE those synth string chords. Beautiful. Not much else to say. Just beautiful. Though those images in the video you sent me were rather distracting, so I found a different video.  :lol It certainly didn't take 19/20

-Senecadawg2
Sigur Ros - Svefn-g-englar
Oh my God. Oh. My. God. I don't even know what to say. This is just...  :omg:  :'(  :laugh: This is all I could have hoped to find in this roulette. Seneca, I thank you. Everyone, listen to this song. It's... amazing.
20/20

-Ben_Jamin
David Maxim Micic - Daydreamers
Wow. When this piece actually started, it SMACKED me. Soaring female vocals, amazing guitar and bass work. This is really, really great. The instrumental sections are phenomenal, and there is something exceptional about the riff under the chorus. Like, really exceptional. The piece is really great. The quiet section in the middle and at the end is really great, and is that a child singing during that? Interesting. This is really great.
18/20

-Elite
Maurice Duruflé - Requiem: IX. In Paradisum
Yay, classical! Beautiful choir, and the harmonies are achingly divine. The piece is simply amazing, if perhaps too short. I would have loved to hear like an entire symphony movement focus on that kind of sound.
18/20

-LieLowTheWantedMan
Psychotic Waltz - Out of Mind
And so we jump RIGHT IN to ridiculous guitar work, drumming, and even vocals. The vocalist has a really nice falsetto. And talk about a riff! And those chugging chords! This piece does not fail to surprise me, though it does feel like a few of these ideas need a little bit more time to develop. I bet I would like this piece a bit more if it were like 6-8 minutes long. Really great though.
17/20

-Lonestar
IQ - The Seventh House
The instrumental work at the beginning, with the little harmony reminds me of a certain video game. This is an interesting piece. The real development happens 3 minutes in, when the electric guitar enters with a smack. The piece feels very cinematic, and it has a very open feel to it. The mix is wonderful, something I forgot to mention about most of the songs here. Amazing progressive rock.
19/20

Shadow Ninja -  81
Buddyhunter - 86
Adace - 88
Seneca - 91
Benjamin - 85
Elite - 86
Lielow - 83
Lonestar - 87

That's all, folks!
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - THE END
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 01, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
Woohoo! I'm really glad you enjoyed the Sigur Ros song- I had a feeling you would, mainly because I thought it did a good job of combining all the themes you selected for the earlier rounds. I can't recommend their music enough, but the best albums to begin with imo are ( ), Agaetis Byrjun, and Takk.

Also, thanks for running the roulette. I know it didn't move as fast as a lot of us would have liked (definitely myself included), but I enjoyed playing nonetheless. Pacing aside, sharing music always makes me happy, and even more so when other people like what I share  :smiley:
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - THE END
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 01, 2014, 08:11:29 PM
I knew you were going to send that, Seneca. :lol
Congratulations! (Though there's plenty of songs on ( ) that are better :P)
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - THE END
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 01, 2014, 08:21:59 PM
I'll agree that there are better tracks on ( ), especially 8. I just think that sven-g-englar makes more sense for roulettes as I think it stands alone a little better.
Title: Re: Lucien's Roulette - THE END
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 01, 2014, 10:04:30 PM
I thought about sending Untitled 8, but I didn't wanna steal your thunder.