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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: DeanTheater on January 12, 2014, 02:08:54 PM
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This premieres this evening and thought it might be a great thread to discuss. Anyone else in here interested. The storyline and cast look very intriguing. I have heard and read a few reviews and they all rave about it. Some reviews claim it may be one the best shows of the year.
The previews look dark and terrifying. Also, HBO generally produces a great product.
Whats your vibe!?
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It does look good. I've heard and read nothing but great reviews on it. And, they are saying it's going to be an Anthology series.... A la American Horror Story. That it won't necessarily have the same cast each season...but follow a theme of sorts.
But I am interested in seeing the chemistry between Harrelson and McChonehay (I know I misspelled those) because apparently they give fantastic performances.
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It does look good. I've heard and read nothing but great reviews on it. And, they are saying it's going to be an Anthology series.... A la American Horror Story. That it won't necessarily have the same cast each season...but follow a theme of sorts.
But I am interested in seeing the chemistry between Harrelson and McChonehay (I know I misspelled those) because apparently they give fantastic performances.
I wasnt aware that it was to be an anthology. Thats pretty cool! It gives them a lot of wiggle room for future stories. What has been amazing, is, how they have kept the story line under wraps until recently. The plot is still a mystery. As far as casting Matt and woody...Perfect.
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Looking forward to this.
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I recorded it and will be checking it out later when I can commit to watching an entire episode in a sitting.
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I'm looking forward to watching this when it makes its way on to HBO Go.
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HBO was free this past weekend so I saw a few previews for it and it looked like it had potential but I didn't get to watch it.
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Well, they got me on the first episode! The opening sequence is shocking and the detail is well thought out. The dynamics between, woody and matts characters are the best part of the show. Both characters have pasts that will be revealed like layers of an onion as the season goes on. The play with time (1995-2012) will be interesting as well
I highly recommend this. Anyone else catch this yet?
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Yes. Should be very interesting as the season progresses. I am assuming MM's character is no longer a cop. I won't spoil the final scene, but it appears the game is still afoot.
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Finally got to catch the first episode. Incredible, I am definitely hooked. The subject matter is dark and intense, the writing is great, and the performances are smoldering. Simply fantastic storytelling. Can't wait for episode 2 tonight.
HBO does it again. :clap:
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Finally got to catch the first episode. Incredible, I am definitely hooked. The subject matter is dark and intense, the writing is great, and the performances are smoldering. Simply fantastic storytelling. Can't wait for episode 2 tonight.
I haven't had the chance to watch it yet but have been meaning to.
.HBO does it again. :clap:
Makes me wish they hadn't passed on 'The Walking Dead'. I don't think it's been hindered too much being on AMC, but man....if they had the freedom that comes with Paid cable channels it'd have been even better.
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This show is excellent
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Makes me wish they hadn't passed on 'The Walking Dead'. I don't think it's been hindered too much being on AMC, but man....if they had the freedom that comes with Paid cable channels it'd have been even better.
I'm not so sure. I mean other than language I'm not sure what else they could add. It could have wound up campy like True Blood. I think the restraints of being on AMC have caused the producers of WD to be more creative.
Do like this new series though so far.
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Makes me wish they hadn't passed on 'The Walking Dead'. I don't think it's been hindered too much being on AMC, but man....if they had the freedom that comes with Paid cable channels it'd have been even better.
I'm not so sure. I mean other than language I'm not sure what else they could add. It could have wound up campy like True Blood. I think the restraints of being on AMC have caused the producers of WD to be more creative.
It's really the language and budget. Especially with a future prominent character in TWD who uses the 'F' word every other word.....I'm curious as to how they'll adjust that.
I agree the limited budget has forced AMC to get creative.....but then again, it's limited only because of their greed/idiocy.
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HBO usually gives its creators full control, as well. AMC meddles heavily where it can (and gets pushed back heavily, like with Mad Men, where it can't.)
True Detective is like the epitome of HBO's style of management. One guy with a vision got the control and resources he needed.
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I actually enjoyed the second episode even more than the first. A ton of backstory in this one. Cannot wait until next Sunday now.
And im just gonna come out and predict that either McConaughey or Harrelsons character had something sinister to do with this case. I have no reason to think that other than a gut feeling because of how things are shaping up. Just sayin.
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Yeah, or the new cops at least suspect McConaughey's character of being up to no good.
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haven't watched last night's episode yet, but I love the dark atmosphere on the show so far.
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I've heard this show is worth watching just for the wonder that is Alexandra Daddario. :lol :lol
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I've heard this show is worth watching just for the wonder that is Alexandra Daddario. :lol :lol
Nude no less.
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I actually enjoyed the second episode even more than the first. A ton of backstory in this one. Cannot wait until next Sunday now.
And im just gonna come out and predict that either McConaughey or Harrelsons character had something sinister to do with this case. I have no reason to think that other than a gut feeling because of how things are shaping up. Just sayin.
What I am wondering is that the 2 of them are forced into a rush to judgement from the guys higher up in the pecking order, who seem to just want to solve the case as soon as possible. I feel that may be the issue here. Its funny how everyone thinks it was a satanist. Cohn (Mccaughnehy) has such disdain for that reverand he meets and just some of his cooworkers beliefs. I love that Cohn character. awesome!
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I've heard this show is worth watching just for the wonder that is Alexandra Daddario. :lol :lol
Seriously. I've seen the clips. She is amazing.
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Anybody watching this? It's an anthology-style police procedural with Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson and it is fucking great. Only 4 episodes in and the show has easily had some of the best cinematography I've seen seen in a show, including Breaking Bad with all of it's magnificent shots. Last night's episode ended with a jaw-dropping tracking shot that was like 8 minutes long and super intense the whole way through. The story's already complex, the atmosphere and tone is dreamy and cerebral - definitely a huge breath of fresh air and I highly recommend it to anyone.
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I've heard nothing but great things and absolutely love both actors. I'm actually about to watch all 4 episodes (or however many I've managed to DVR...I know I was running low on space...errrrg) in a row what with this being my day off. A bottle of wine and some awesome police drama, woot woot! Can't get much better on a rainy, cold day. I'll definitely come back and post my impressions, but I can't see how I won't love the hell out of it.
P.S. I thought we already had a thread on the show? Maybe I'm making that up...or just saw the name in the TV thread...hrrrmmm... :huh:
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Yeah, I was surprised there wasn't a thread on it already.
Definitely one of those shows that are perfect for a gloomy day/3 a.m.
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Been watching....Haven't seen last nights episode yet but man.....the acting is spot on and you can just 'feel' that there is something awry with one of those detectives. They are making it seem like it'd be McConaughey's character by the way they've developed him but at the same time they've shown Harrelsons character to be a bit shady as well.
Being that the majority of the show has been centered around those two, that's why I suspect the big 'reveal' or secret of the series will most likely involve one of them. I doubt it's as simple as a cut and dried murder case.
Great show though....killer writing.
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Watched last nights episode. Very intense. This has been a great show so far.
*POSSIBLE SPOILER*
I started to really wonder about MM's character (Cohle) early on, after last night even more so. When you see the preview for the next episode you'll really wonder. Last nights activities were very tense, and you got the sense that WH's character (Hart) was in awe of MM's. But I feel that Hart being blown away by Cohles activities was an intentional set-up. Especially after Harts marriage issues. He was especially vulnerable to being swept up by Cohle. Let me just say that I won't be surprised if there is not some major twist with the Cohle character. Or it could all be a ruse for the viewer to distract from Hart somehow. Even knowing either of those scenario's are a possibility, this show is so good that I would still be really happy to see either scenario play out.
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P.S. I thought we already had a thread on the show? Maybe I'm making that up...or just saw the name in the TV thread...hrrrmmm... :huh:
You're right, there is a thread ("True Detective on HBO") but it is in Page 3 now.
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That long tracking shot at the end of the episode was one of the greatest cinematic things I've ever seen. I was absolutely stunned, and my mouth was literally hanging open. Simply awesome.
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I feel like it being either of them is too obvious, but the irony and little things in the show make it hard to come to any other conclusion. like, Hart running over the bicycle in his uncontrollable rageand claiming he's not a psycho, Cohle's general shadiness and saying things like that as a policeman he can do terrible things with inerrancy, they're both so wonderfully written. "True Detective". My brother had a really convincing theory that one of them is the 95 killer and the other is the 2012 killer, but I think we're intentionally being mislead to think that one of them did it and there's so many factors to take in. I mean, Cohle is the perfect person in that small town to pin the murders on should that be the case
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DAMN YOU HBO! Urrrgh. I fuckin' love this show, that was awesome. Without a single doubt my new obsession and favorite crime drama. What a fantastically macabre, genius, character-driven show. McConaughey is absolutely mesmerizing, and Harrelson is just as much of an enigma but in a way that I didn't expect... I'll be honest, I was disappointed to learn that this will be an anthology series after watching the first few episodes (Friggin' HBO On Demand still doesn't have episode 4 so I haven't seen it yet). American Horror Story (while on a completely separate level) has proven to me that the inconsistencies of such a format are very daring and might lead to the early demise of a show (I myself have all but lost interest entirely in AHS after being so involved in the first season). HBO being at the helm will make things different, but it's still unsettling to know that McConaughey and Harrelson probably won't be returning, and if they do it won't be in the lead and will be an entirely different story.
Either way, this is an awesome start and I cannot wait until it all comes together. Now I am literally waiting for ep.4 to come out on On Demand....FFFFFFFFFFFF-
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P.S. This show has the greatest opening of all of the times.
ALL OF THEM!
Ed: Dammit that was supposed to be an edit...my bad.
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Just watched last nights episode. Wow! This show is something. Very well put together and
That long tracking shot at the end of the episode was one of the greatest cinematic things I've ever seen. I was absolutely stunned, and my mouth was literally hanging open. Simply awesome.
Pretty much that! What a scene. Can't wait to see how this all pans out.
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Mods, you should merge this with the other thread. thanks!
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Cohn (Mccaughnehy) has such disdain for that reverand he meets and just some of his cooworkers beliefs. I love that Cohn character. awesome!
Yeah, his character is very well written. As a man of Faith I often find myself having issues with 'atheist' characters in movies or TV shows because they are just SO over the top anti God. McCaughnehy's character is so well written that when he presents his 'matter a fact' dismissive opinion about God....although it's still in an ignorant fashion it's well done and well thought out. Like it comes from a man who once had deep Faith and seemingly had it ripped away or he forcefully ripped it away himself at one point.
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Cohn (Mccaughnehy) has such disdain for that reverand he meets and just some of his cooworkers beliefs. I love that Cohn character. awesome!
Yeah, his character is very well written. As a man of Faith I often find myself having issues with 'atheist' characters in movies or TV shows because they are just SO over the top anti God. McCaughnehy's character is so well written that when he presents his 'matter a fact' dismissive opinion about God....although it's still in an ignorant fashion it's well done and well thought out. Like it comes from a man who once had deep Faith and seemingly had it ripped away or he forcefully ripped it away himself at one point.
Thats a great Point. I find his dark intellect intruiging. He has a morbid yet truthful insight on the world, which was carved out by his pas,t with loss of his daughter, and his drug use as a Narc/undercover. Great character
also,
I agree with everyone about that last 6 minutes. Some of the best stuff I have seen on TV. Reminded me that firefight sequence in Mann's "HEAT" with Pacino and Deniro . Riveting, cannot wait for the next episode.
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Okay, last nights episode was off the hook. Either A) Cohle is as guilty as sin, or B) He's really been working this whole time behind the scenes to find out who the Yellow King really is. I'm leaning toward option B. This episode was intense, and things are starting to really come together very quickly. As soon as the episode was over, I wished it was Sunday again already. Damn you HBO!!
Along the shores the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.
Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the Yellow King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.
Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
~Chambers
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Yeah, I've definitely been catching the Carcosa and King in Yellow references. Is this going to turn from a crime thriller to a horror story?
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It could go either way, but I'm thinking Cohle went off the grid to work on finding the real killer. His little "time off" to visit his father in Alaska, I think, was meant to maybe indicate that he has no problem going dark. Eight years is a lot different from a couple of days, or whatever it ended up being, but the principal is the same.
Also, he could be guilty, or a psycho, or both, but that would be so cliched that I would really be disappointed if that were the case, and I honestly don't think HBO would go that route. Too easy, too cheap.
There's probably at least one major twist yet to happen, something completely unexpected (yet in retrospect, forshadowed). Rather than spending a lot of time guessing and forming theories, I'm just enjoying watching it unfold.
I didn't expect the interviews to end already. I guess I kinduv expected them to go all the way to the end of the series, and end with some kind of big reveal moment. Instead, that part's done. Interesting.
"Thanks for the beer."
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Okay, last nights episode was off the hook. Either A) Cohle is as guilty as sin, or B) He's really been working this whole time behind the scenes to find out who the Yellow King really is. I'm leaning toward option B. This episode was intense, and things are starting to really come together very quickly. As soon as the episode was over, I wished it was Sunday again already. Damn you HBO!!
This show IMO is the best show going on television at the moment! Another fantastic episode! I loved when they were describing the 'shoot out' verbatim....individually as the real scenario unfolded before us. Pretty cool.
I agree and believe Cohle has been trying to figure out who the Yellow King is. I think he knows it is someone most likely in law enforcement or high up in politics (the Governor we briefly met?) and that the only way to catch him/them was to not be noticeable to them.
I think when Harreslsons character sees the inside of Cohles storage unit (cuz you know he's going to Cohle and saying something and eventually Cohle will let him in on it) that unit will be choc full of evidence...pictures....articles etc etc of eight years worth of Cohle tracking the Yellow King. It's his office probably.
Cohle had probably tracked the Yellow King to that most recent murder which would explain him being around and in the pics......or, he's the Yellow King. As was mentioned by Orbert that'd be a pretty lazy way of doing things and by the looks of it this series is far from lazy!
I'm with you Tempus an the whole I wish it was Sunday sentiment.....I wanted to keep watching on and on and on.....what a show!
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Thinking on this a bit more and it wouldn't be all that suprising if Hart is deeply involved in the killings....if not the Yellow King then part of the 'cult' or whatever that has protected the Yellow King from the inside. They've made Kohl's character look like such a whack job that it's tempting and easy to believe he'd be involved, but I just don't see it being that easy.
Everything the Investigating Detectives who were taping Kohl and Hart's interview said about how Kohl 'led' Hart through the case could just as easily been Hart leading Kohl knowing that Kohl was so maticulous. Plus, Hart's the one who flat out murdered ol' boy who was handcuffed and could have possibly known all those involved.
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There's definitely some deceit and misdirection going on with both Hart and Cohle, but I think Cohle really is smarter than Hart, and his background, being significantly more extensive than Hart's, just adds to that. Of course, that could all be part of something they've agreed to present, but I just can't see the point of it. Hart has been a Louisiana cop all his life; Cohle has been deep undercover with the DEA, a Texas state cop, and is now a Lousiana state cop.
I see Hart blowing away Ledoux (or was that the other guy?) as a knee-jerk reaction to finding the kids in the trailer. Cohle called for him a couple of times, and he was still in there, getting his head back together after what he'd found. The boy was already dead, the girl in bad shape, and Hart is a father, after all. He came out and just blasted Ledoux. Did he just do that to cover something up? Maybe, but that part of the story seems pretty straight.
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I understand the parent aspect of why Hart would've been so irrational, but if he is involved he could have just as easily been ticked that he allowed a kid to die instead of keeping them alive...could have been ticked he even had kids there....or just protecting himself? I am probably looking for something that isn't there and it's probably as straight forward as it seems.
You're right about Kohl...he is way more intelligent than any of the characters we've met. I thought it was funny when Hart broke it to the two Detectives that it was Kohl who got the read on them...not vice versa.
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Yep. And also, he got them to buy him a six-pack of beer, and he sat and drank it, making anything he says inadmissible, should it come to that.
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By the way, there's an image going around the net which appears to be a scene from an episode that we haven't seen yet. I try to avoid spoilers, but stumbled across this, and now I can't wait for this scene.
Spoiler (https://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Screen-Shot-2014-02-04-at-10.46.36-AM.png)
And speaking of hair, Cohle and Hart back in the day:
(https://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/matthew-mcconaughey_surfer-dude_03.jpg)
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Hell...maybe they're both involved. I mean everything they've told the detectives from the time Cohle said he was going to visit his dad onward is a lie. They're capable of setting the whole thing up. One theme that keeps me in Cohles court though is he keeps talking about people in higher positions of authority being involved. This and the previews show him questioning a governor or someone in future episodes.
I think the falling out they had is solely over Cohle realizing Ladoux was the wrong guy, and Hart wanting him to shut up about it. Somehow I think Hart may have discredited him somehow so no one at the time would take him seriously.
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One thing they've established is that what we see in the flashbacks is what "really" happened, as opposed to what Cohle and Hart tell the investigators in 2012. So if they're both involved somehow, it has to still work given what we've seen.
For this reason, I don't think either of them are involved. I think they're both basically good cops with some questionable methods. "Good" of course is relative. I just mean that they're interested in catching bad guys, and aren't bad guys themselves, but also aren't above going rogue or off-book if that's what it takes to serve the greater good.
In HBO's behind-the-scenes thing, the writer of the series refers to it as a manhunt, more than a whodunnit. This implies to me that that part of it is pretty straight. Sure, we'll get some twists along the way, but having it turn out that either or both of Cohle and Hart are involved won't be one of them.
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I think the falling out they had is solely over Cohle realizing Ladoux was the wrong guy, and Hart wanting him to shut up about it. Somehow I think Hart may have discredited him somehow so no one at the time would take him seriously.
That's a good theory. I guess we will find out soon being that this is an 8 Episode 'story' and there have been 5 episodes, seems like a lot to cover in three hours which means the remaining episodes are going to be awesome!
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They've done a pretty good job of packing a lot into each episode so far. At the end of each one, I'm amazed at how quickly it passed, and how much story was covered, and actually a bit relieved because it was so intense. I only got HBO recently and have never watched any of their original series before, but a one-hour TV show without commercials is pretty heavy duty television (if there is such a thing).
Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, I kinda thought that the 2012 investigations would frame the entire eight-episode run. But Cohle's part of that is done now, and presumably Hart's will be soon as well. He seemed to be getting pretty fed up with their questions and near-allegations involving Cohle, and finally called them on it. Now that they've shared what they have on Cohle, and planted a few ideas in his head, maybe he'll stick around a little longer, but I have the feeling that we're now going to move on to the next phase, which is Hart and Cohle teaming back up in 2012 to catch the real killer.
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Mrs. Nosehair and I have been watching this and really enjoying it. Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey are brilliant in this, especially McConaughey. :tup
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I thought the last scene of the newest episode confirmed Cohle isn't involved
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I thought the last scene of the newest episode confirmed Cohle isn't involved
Yeah, the way he was studying that old, what I guess was a crime scene? Or, was it some sort of altar? But you're right.....if he were involved in any way why would he be returning to those spots to 'discover' them? It seems that the general consensus in the thread is that Kohl is not involved....as much as the producers are trying to introduce enought doubt about him to where we'd think he was. As where....it doesn't seem on the surface that Hart would be involved but he sure would make a perfect 'inside' man if it were a larger conspiracy.
He all but lit up beaming with excitement in the (I think) second episode over what at the time could have been passed off as excitement to meet the Governor.....or was it happiness to see 'The Yellow King' himself?
Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey are brilliant in this, especially McConaughey. :tup
He has had a run of great acting here the past few years. Definitely someone who has continued to develop and improve as an actor.....on of my favorites.
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He was back at that private school that closed, where the girl used to go. He never had a chance to go inside before, because Hart pulled up with the news that he'd found the connection between Lange and Ledoux, so they took off and put out the APB on Ledoux.
At the end of the episode, it's 2002, after the Guy Francis thing, so Cohle is thinking maybe they didn't catch the "reall" killer and is going back over everything (the tree, the school) to see what he might have missed. Those bird traps were in a back room in the school, and yeah, he seemed very interested in them. I don't think he's involved in the murders; the guys investigating in 2012 think he might be, but they couldn't get anything out of him and I don't think Hart's gonna roll on him, either. They're just trying to put doubt in Hart's mind. Either that, or they really don't have any idea and are just pushing as hard as they can, in no particular direction, to see what they can get.
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Then again, Cohle has blackouts for extended periods. Perhaps he has been to those places before. Maybe the person he's been hunting down this entire time is himself.
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Then again, Cohle has blackouts for extended periods. Perhaps he has been to those places before. Maybe the person he's been hunting down this entire time is himself.
Now that would be something. I didn't pay too much attention to how Kohl reacted to seeing the pictures of him at the latest murder.....did he give off anything like he was 'surprised'? Like....WTF am I doing there? It didn't seem like it since he has his emotions in check.
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He showed no reaction when he saw the photos, as usual. There might have been just a slight eyebrow, like "Oh, photos. How cute." But he didn't give those guys anything.
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Then again, Cohle has blackouts for extended periods. Perhaps he has been to those places before. Maybe the person he's been hunting down this entire time is himself.
Well, he was at the school in 95 as Orbert said. I also believe Cohle said the visions stopped prior to 2002, which isn't reliable but I don't think he was lying about that. Very coincidental that Ledoux's record finally comes in as Cohle is still questioning the lawnmower/caretaker, who imdb said will reappear in the coming episodes. Read elsewhere that the lawnmower's face is comparable to the green-eared spaghetti monster.
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Just another gritty show about gritty moody mysterious men. Yawn. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty well written, but I'm really bored of this "dark, cynical realism" thing going on lately, and brutal detailed murders and other "shocking" events and yadda yadda, it's just pretty desentisizing after a while. Still waiting on more series about real, diverse characters doing real things.
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I get what you're saying. Seems Hollyweird thinks thats all we can handle these days. That if it's not like that, then it won't be entertaining enough. But when we've been force fed like 190,000 episodes of supposed "edgy and real" crime drama in the "Law and Order" franchise alone, what do you expect the evolution to become?
Besides, if you understand what you're getting into going in, it's good fun. I mean this ain't your daddys "Dragnet" show. And it's been very well written and so far superbly acted.
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Just another gritty show about gritty moody mysterious men. Yawn. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty well written, but I'm really bored of this "dark, cynical realism" thing going on lately, and brutal detailed murders and other "shocking" events and yadda yadda, it's just pretty desentisizing after a while. Still waiting on more series about real, diverse characters doing real things.
I get that idea about the abundance of gritty and cynical shows, but this is unlike anything I can think aside from Twin Peaks. It's unique in its psychological aspect, wealth of symbolism and artistic dichtomy in setting and characters, and Lynchian shaded superconspiracy. I'd argue that the characters are what make the show. Cohle is a nihilist who conversely displays belief in what he presumes to be infallible truths, Hart is a completely gray area who recognizes that he practically has it all and still pushes it away with each action. It begs the question of how do you measure a man? Diversity is hard to ask for when the show is supposed to be centered around Hart and Cohle. Together, they are the amalgamation of archetypical detectives. They're slightly flat in development, but that doesn't negate that they are very complex and interesting characters imo played by fantastic actors. And you have to take into accoubt that this is an anthology series and that there is much potential for diversity in the future, especially if the seasons will be longer. Really, what they've done in only 5 episodes is damn marvelous.
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^ All that.
Mora, what exactly do you mean when you say "diverse character doing real things". I mean...what the heck does 'real things' mean? Do you find the show to be that farfetched? As far as criminal dramas go, this one is pretty damn realistic; and I can't find many things that are that unrealistic in terms of actions and events that have happened. There's no Jack Bauer bullshit here... I'm not sure what you expect... To each their own, though; if you don't like it, you don't like it. But to say that this is not a show about 'real' characters is kind of preposterous.
I'm loving every minute of the show, and not that I'm downing anyone that doesn't like it, but I can't find many faults with the show's exposition and portrayal of its main characters and plot thus far. It's finely tuned and still downright evil at times...I love the way they show the world, especially the Louisiana 'badlands', in which I grew up and eventually flourished in, is magnificently vivid and loyal to the actual landscape and locale. I can't wait to see where this goes.
The only thing I'm worried about is the fact that this is an anthology series. The only anthology series I've seen thus far is American Horror Story and in my eyes that went to shit after the first season, so I'm weary about this one.
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You know what's fun? Going to the IMDb board for True Detective (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2356777/board) and reading all the batshit crazy theories about who the killer is. Some people have put a lot of thought into their theories, and unfortunately missed things which blow huge holes in their theories.
The only prediction I will make is that it is not Martin Hart or Rustin Cohle. That would be the "shocking twist" that's already been done so many times that it's neither shocking nor much of a twist anymore. Also, we've already seen too much evidence that it's not one of them. And finally, that would just be stupid.
Other than that, who knows? I know it can be fun to form theories, and it helps occupy the six days, 23 hours between shows, but some of them are so ridiculous that they're actually amusing to read.
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I'd say Kohl not being involved is true....in fact it will most likely come to light he's been working this case all along looking for the Yellow King. But Hart......there's the possibility he's at least been covering for someone or group of people.
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Marty Hart is the Yellow King. I'm sure of it now. ( If we were playing Clue, I'd be all in with this one)
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What makes you so sure?
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Three things really.
The first one is the creator of the show claims the answer is in the first episode. I was on a website reading some actor interviews today and saw one of the old promo posters. (Seen here)
https://www.redcarpetcrash.com/hbos-true-detective-second-trailer-matthew-mcconaughey-woody-harrelson/
Its a very odd poster. The top of Woodys head is clipped off (the Crown), and his yellow hair is pasted at the bottom. The Yellow King. The picture is from the first episode.
Lastly, his daughters were playing with and fighting over the crown in the yard. If they were playing "princess", that would make their dad Marty, the "king".
Of course I sound crazier than a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. But I'm going with it. :lol
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Well, that's not nearly as far-fetched as some of the theories I've seen. I can't find anything wrong with it, other than a very strong feeling that they're not going to crap out on us and make either Hart or Cohle the killer. But that alone doesn't disprove your theory.
Still, I would honestly be very, very disappointed if they did that.
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Episode 6. SPOILERS
There was a some development of course, but for the first time I wasn't left sitting there blown away. I mean, literally every episode up til this one just left me mentally exhausted and blown from what I'd seen. This one was intense as always, but I think it was the necessary "turning point" episode that we figured was coming after what went down last time. We figured Rust ended up quitting, and he did. Some guys on the IMDb boards have been saying it was going to be because Rust bangs Maggie. I couldn't see that, but it turns out they were right, though I don't it it happened the way people figured it would. Maggie basically took advantage of a very drunk Rust, and the moment they were done, they both knew it was a mistake. Then Maggie dropped the bombshell; she'd done it on purpose because there's no way Marty was going to put up with that. And of course she was right, but that makes her a manipulative bitch. "Thanks, and I'm sorry." Really? Or maybe she was just hurt and pretty drunk, too.
I always thought it was interesting that Cohle's red pickup in 2002 looks at pristine as it did in 1997, and at first I thought that that was the props department dropping the ball. Then I thought about it and Rust is the kind of guy who would keep his truck looking pristine. But we saw Marty's head break that tail light, and in 2012, the tail light is still broken. Okay, nice touch, but that's a bit harder to believe. Another ten years later, the truck still looks shiny and new, except for the broken tail light. If Rust never got it fixed, maybe it's because he finally said "fuck it" and let it be. Maybe as a reminder of Marty. But after ten years of going through car washes, those little pieces of broken plastic would be all busted out, and the water getting in would've killed the bulb and fixture. We saw the light working. So Rust handwashes the truck, always has, and even though he's a "detail guy" (no, I won't say OCD) he leaves the busted tail light for ten years?
I look forward to their conversation. Ha ha, I love how he came back and said "On second thought, you buy me a beer." After all this time, still a Class A Prick.
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I think maye he had the truck in storage all this time. He disappeared for 8 years according to the other two detectives. My guess is that Rust went deep under cover in the "cult" group during that time, and maybe didn't use his truck. Remember they said when he resurfaced he got his license renewed.
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Ah, good point. Yeah, he was completely off the grid for 8 of those ten years, and apparently not driving.
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I think maye he had the truck in storage all this time. He disappeared for 8 years according to the other two detectives. My guess is that Rust went deep under cover in the "cult" group during that time, and maybe didn't use his truck. Remember they said when he resurfaced he got his license renewed.
Yeah, he hasn't been driving that truck for 10 years. I think the fact they made the point of showing the tail light get broke then focusing on it in the end scene, showing how it hadn't changed a bit was to portray that point. Could even represent that Kohl hasn't changed a bit either.
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I took the symbolic meaning, and thought it was cool. Still broken, but functioning inside (the bulb still worked). I just had a little trouble with the literal aspect of the light being busted for 10 years and him never fixing it, never getting pulled over for it, and the damage never getting any worse. But if it's really only been more like two years, then I guess that's more believeable.
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I took the symbolic meaning, and thought it was cool. Still broken, but functioning inside (the bulb still worked). I just had a little trouble with the literal aspect of the light being busted for 10 years and him never fixing it, never getting pulled over for it, and the damage never getting any worse. But if it's really only been more like two years, then I guess that's more believeable.
what you've said just seems to support the idea he had that truck under a tarp or in storage for 10 years....until he resurfaced and got a new Drivers License.
I was thinking too.....that young chic Hart shagged was the girl from the trailer home brothel, right? She was the one he gave that cash to....told her to straighten up. When they walked out of that trailer I can't remember verbatim but Kohl said to Hart something along the lines of "were you making a downpayment" or "deposit", some phrasing that indicated Hart was 'sewing the seed' of a future conquest. And, indeed.....he ended up shagging her 10 years later :lol
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Some of the guys on the IMDb boards are saying No way, it's beyond coincidence that he runs into her again. Others are pointing out that he's been in law enforcement for 20 some years in the same area, it would actually make no sense if he didn't run into some of the same people, suspects, perps, witnesses, more than than once.
But yeah, she's the same girl from the "bunny farm", and Cohle asked him if he was making a downpayment, to which Hart asked him if there was no act of decency that he (Cohle) wouldn't shit on. When he ran into her at the T-Mobile place seven years later, that was coincidence, but ending up banging her... that was just her showing her gratitude and Marty as usual not being able to keep it in his pants.
So I guess it was a downpayment, as it turned out. ;)
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I agree and believe Cohle has been trying to figure out who the Yellow King is. I think he knows it is someone most likely in law enforcement or high up in politics (the Governor we briefly met?) and that the only way to catch him/them was to not be noticeable to them.
I think when Harreslsons character sees the inside of Cohles storage unit (cuz you know he's going to Cohle and saying something and eventually Cohle will let him in on it) that unit will be choc full of evidence...pictures....articles etc etc of eight years worth of Cohle tracking the Yellow King. It's his office probably.
I meant that head Evangelist.....and unless HBO is trying to throw us off by re-introducing him it'd seem that he's involved in some level. I think even from his first scene.....like Kohl mentioned.....he was there to test the water and see how much they knew.
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The head evangelist is the governor's cousin; they're both Tuttles. The first time we saw him, back in 1995, he mentioned "Eddie" a few times, and after he left, Cohle asked "Who the fuck is Eddie?" and they had to explain it to him, which also clarified it to us the audience. And yeah, after Cohle's little follow-up in 2002 that got him suspended, I have no doubt that there's something fishy going on with him and that now-defunct program of his.
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That reminded of something else. There's a new "major" now (Major Salter, played by Paul Ben-Victor). That makes sense, since it's been seven years since Kevin Dunn's Major Quesada was in charge. I didn't even catch that Quesada was a major, though; I always thought of him as The Captain.
My point is that I've never heard of a major in charge of a station. It's always a captain. Detectives and uniforms usually aspire to reach lieutenant, and maybe captain someday. But a major is new to me. Is this because it's the State Police? It would probably help in cases when they have to go into some county or municipality and take charge. In the military, major is the next rank up from captain.
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The head evangelist is the governor's cousin; they're both Tuttles. The first time we saw him, back in 1995, he mentioned "Eddie" a few times, and after he left, Cohle asked "Who the fuck is Eddie?" and they had to explain it to him, which also clarified it to us the audience. And yeah, after Cohle's little follow-up in 2002 that got him suspended, I have no doubt that there's something fishy going on with him and that now-defunct program of his.
I'm wondering how involved that old Reverand Theriot was/is? He looked pretty washed up but I'm curious as to if his possible participation in wrong doings drove him to drink and get high all day? Or if in fact, he was just ran out of town for discovering that child pr0n. Again, it's hard to believe the writers would have involved his characters in those early episodes if he weren't connected in some way.....or maybe we learned his connection in the last episode?
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Was Reverand Theriot the guy from the tent revivals back in 95? If so, I think he's alright. He found the child pr0n in the book and it got covered up, and he (Theriot) was run out. I know pretty much anyone in this show can be a bad guy and/or have a hidden agenda, but I got the impression that his character's purpose was just to shed some light on the child porn, and thus probably other shady stuff going on in the Tuttle Ministries organization. That Cohle ends up hunting him down a second time and questioning him, and we get to see him in another time frame, is a nice bit of continuity, but I think we're done with him now. I could still be wrong.
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I know pretty much anyone in this show can be a bad guy and/or have a hidden agenda.
No kidding. This show just kind of forces you to 'build your own conspiracy' in a way. You could even start to argue that the new Major is involved because he suspended Kohl....on the surface due to insubordination and making something out of nothing (in his eyes) with those missing kids. Or was it because he is a part of the cover up? It's easy to turn everyone into the 'bad' guy on this show.
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I've gone back over the first episode twice now and am no closer to having a clearer picture of who did the killings than when I saw it initially. The only thing I go back to is right from the start Marty begins painting the picture, in broad strokes that Rust is "not right". I still thing the symbolism of the poster and my other theories make me believe Marty is the Yellow King.
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I've gone back over the first episode twice now and am no closer to having a clearer picture of who did the killings than when I saw it initially. The only thing I go back to is right from the start Marty begins painting the picture, in broad strokes that Rust is "not right". I still thing the symbolism of the poster and my other theories make me believe Marty is the Yellow King.
You know.....Marty could be using his taste for affairs as a cover up to account for being 'missing' for hours? I mean, certainly all his co-workers (being detectives) notice his behavior....how he always comes in to work in the same clothes....the rumors....etc etc and they just pass it off as him shagging another broad. But, he could have set that all up to appear as such to cover for him being gone all the time staging the sacrifice scenes with the people he's killed?
And Rust does make it easy for him and everyone else to label him as 'not right'.
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I still say that that would be one of the oldest, cheapest tricks in the book, and I would actually be angry if that's how it plays out. Not just disappointed, but disappointed to the point of anger at having this amazing series totally ruined by the old "Ha ha, it was one of the detectives all along! Gotcha!" Plus, I truly don't expect anything that cheap from HBO, although anything's possible.
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Couple details MAH BRUUUTHA mentioned to me tonight when I spoke with him. Kohl crafted (5) tin men while being questioned....all of which their heads had the golden crown of the emblem on the can Asa. Crown on their head. Cool. Plus, the picture that Harts daughter drew had a little girl surrounded by (5) men doing bad things to her.
Don't know if it means anything about anything....but it's neat little detail.
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I keep going back to that weird HBO poster and the fact that Marty's girls were fighting over the Princess crown. There has been so much symbolism though in this show, its tough to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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True, but I honestly think you're focusing on some possible symbolism a bit too much. Yes, there have been hints/clues that could point to Marty. There have also been hints/clues that could point to Rust, and pretty much everyone else. Once the killer is revealed, we'll be able to re-watch the series and review all the clues along the way and realize that they were there all along. And who knows? Maybe you're right, and have successfully separated the wheat from the chaff.
Nic Pizzolatto has said that he's not trying to outsmart the audience, just present a good mystery, but yes, there have been clues all along. Presenting Marty Hart as a decent detective but not exactly an Einstein, capable of missing a huge amount of detail right under his nose, simply doesn't strike me as the guy with the knowledge, resources (both time and material), and motivation to kidnap and murder dozens of women and children over the course of 17 years. Then he actually particpates in the investigation with a disturbed but truly brilliant man who knows him about as well as any man can know another, yet never even suspects? Having it turn out to be either of them would just be pulling a rabbit out of his ass.
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Mrs. P and I spent a decent portion of the weekend downloading and catching up on this series. We finished our Sunday evening with episode 6 so we still have one more to get current. Wow, what a series!
I'm a bit at a loss for words about the impact this show has made on my psyche. Suffice it to say that I can't remember a more emotionally compelling show, television or movie wise, in a very long time. The only thing that comes close is the first season of "The Killing" (for obvious reasons) and maybe the movie Se7en. Yet True Detective has features that even those shows can't match. The cinematography, the pacing, the story, the dialog and acting are all incredible. At times, the use of Louisiana's geography and culture as a character rather than just a backdrop is very overwhelming. I love shows that make you feel, if even for just a short time, like a different person for having witnessed it.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the conclusion of this season so I can go back and rewatch it. I have a feeling it will be even better the second time. I'm guessing that Rust's out-there monologues will feel more calculated once you know what's coming.
Big :tup
P.S. In order to avoid spoilers I haven't read any of this thread so apologies if I'm rehashing old subjects.
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Well, there was a new one last night, so get caught so you can participate in the discussion!
I'm gonna go ahead a blab a little bit about it.
As expected, we're firmly set in 2012 now. The jumping back and forth between 1995, 2002, and 2012 is no longer necessary, as we've finished the part where Gilbough and Papania interview Marty and Rust, and later (surprise!) Maggie. So now we know that the real killer from 1995 was never caught. We kinda knew that, but now it's official. I like how Marty and Rust have reunited. Yeah, it was not smooth; we didn't expect it to be. Marty took some "convincing" (as he put it), as we knew he would.
Oh yeah, that's right. There was just a little bit of time-jumping back and forth, as Marty talked to Maggie about how Rust convinced him, cut with scenes of the actual convincing taking place. But it was all "present day" (2012). Still, I've always liked that device when done well, and this was done well. They've done a brilliant job all along in giving us believeable yet distinct appearances for each of the main characters in each timeline, so there was never any confusion, yet it never felt like a gimmick. Of course, it is a gimmick; presenting the story in this way has made it much more challenging and fun for the viewer to piece things together. But for me, it has always felt like "This is how we're telling the story. Try to keep up." Also, it adds to the replay value. A lot.
So anyway, that's gone now, and Episode 7 was set entirely in 2012. I missed the time-jumping, and expected these last two to kick into high gear, now that we've entered the final stages of the manhunt. In that sense, I was slightly disappointed last night, as the pacing seemed to continue its leisurely stroll through the narrative. We saw some stuff. Rust's storage place has been his office, where he's been putting things together. We knew that. Marty and Rust are back together. We knew that would happen. They're after the guy with the scars. We knew that, too. But there didn't seem to be much urgency.
We've only got one episode left. I'm expecting Episode 8 to blow my socks off. In fact, I'm hoping it does, because after Episodes 6 and 7, which were great, but heavy on exposition and light on action, or any actual detective work, we need a really strong finish. I was thinking Episode 6 was the calm before the storm and expected 7 and 8 to both really slay me, but it looks like they've held everything back for the final episode. At least, that's what I'm hoping.
Too bad about Maggie. She seemed like she really wanted to at least end up friends with Rust, but he shut her down. I think he wrote her off the minute he chased her out of his place in 2002 and never looked back.
Interesting about Marty and his feelings toward Rust. "If you were drowning, I'd throw you a barbell." Yet in the interviews with Gilbough and Papania, he always spoke respectfully about Rust, spoke highly of his detective skills, and claims that he doesn't hold a grudge. I'm guessing Marty would make some kind of effort to save a total stranger who was drowning. If he would honestly throw a barbell to a drowning Rust, I'd call that holding a grudge. Yes, it's just an expression, but still.
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Well, there was a new one last night, so get caught so you can participate in the discussion!
I'm sure we'll be doing that tonight! :)
*averting my eyes from the rest of Orbert's post*
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The scarred faced grass cutter......same fella cutting the grass in 95' at the abandoned school,when Rust approached him only to be quickly recalled by Hart? I don't remember them ever really showing his face due to how abrupt Rust went back to the vehicle.
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Okay...this episode opened my eyes. I no longer believe my shaky theory about Marty, although i think his father in law may be involved. In fact I think it was the Tuttle family and maybe his father in law. Why? Going back and looking at the earlier episode there was a bunch of dudes on horses around Dora in the picture at her moms. Five in fact.
And there were five toys around the naked doll in Martys daughters room, like maybe she'd seen that somewhere maybe first hand. Like maybe with grandpa. Plus she threw that crown in the tree maybe to protect her sister from wearing a crown like the Tuttle clan makes kids wear in their rituals. And there were five beer can people that Rust made. So a group of people did the killing, Reggie LaDoux was just maybe the one who got the kids for them. Maybe he and the landscaper dude.
Or maybe Marty has not been directly involved but has known all along who was. He stayed in the car and honked the horn and hurried Rust along when he was talking to landscaper spaghetti monster, and he shot Ladoux, maybe because they could claim he'd been at certain rituals. And he didn't seem too concerned when his daughter was drawing sexually explicit pictures. Maybe Marty with his daughter in tow stumbled upon grandpa and his Tuttle buddies in the middle of a ritual once. Hes tried to come to grips with what he knows and tried to ignore and it scarred his daughter somehow. Now im reaching again.
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Okay, we're caught up.
Like TempusVox I've been trying to figure out the importance of Marty's eldest daughter to the story. She, over the years, seems unusually obsessed with group sex. I find the similarity between the scene with the barbie dolls, the pornographic drawings and the video tape revealed in episode seven very disturbing. Enough movie time has passed between the former and the later to make it easy to miss both for Marty and the viewer. I wonder what Cohle would have to say if he could see the drawings of Marty's daughter.
The grandfather in cahoots with the Tuttles is a shrewd theory TempusVox. Can you imagine the scene potential for Woody Harrelson if they find the evidence leads to his ex-father-in-law? Especially in light of what we've seen his character is capable of when confronted with the abuse of stranger's children. Holy crap!
Yet, this could all be a red herring. I'm just not very confident.
I'm concerned about the effect this show may be having on Mrs. P. She seems keen on watching it and says she looks forward to next Sunday's season finale, yet, she was up half the night and even when she was sleeping the poor dear was often aggressively arguing with someone. She's a strong woman who fiercely battles her demons wherever she finds them which has the side-effect of causing her to talk (mumble) in her sleep. Violence to women and children especially under the authority of religious ritual cuts way to close to the bone for her.
I'm prepared to groan with frustration at the end of next episode. I'm calling it right now, the story won't end next Sunday. We'll find something out that will be extremely important, maybe even completely unanticipated by any of us, and the producers will use this for a cliff hanger to end the season! Hart and Cohle will be back next season to finish the job.
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They've said from the beginning that this is an anthology series. Eight episodes to tell the story, which is already done. Next season will be a different story, with different characters and different actors. Only Nic Pizzolatto (the writer) is on for sure next time round. The story will be wrapped up.
Or at least we will know who the killer is. There are a lot of other stories and themes, and I suspect that most of them will go on. Marty will continue with his crummy, single life, checking the personals and occassionally visiting prostitutes. Maggie is now "Mrs. Sawyer" and looks like she married up. Rust will pay his debt and close off the circle, whatever that turns out to mean.
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Okay...this episode opened my eyes. I no longer believe my shaky theory about Marty, although i think his father in law may be involved. In fact I think it was the Tuttle family and maybe his father in law. Why? Going back and looking at the earlier episode there was a bunch of dudes on horses around Dora in the picture at her moms. Five in fact.
And there were five toys around the naked doll in Martys daughters room, like maybe she'd seen that somewhere maybe first hand. Like maybe with grandpa. Plus she threw that crown in the tree maybe to protect her sister from wearing a crown like the Tuttle clan makes kids wear in their rituals. And there were five beer can people that Rust made. So a group of people did the killing, Reggie LaDoux was just maybe the one who got the kids for them. Maybe he and the landscaper dude.
I had noticed the (5) theme....lending evidence to this is a cult or group thing. But that is interesting about the tie in with Marty's daughter and the Grandfather. Very plausable.
Or maybe Marty has not been directly involved but has known all along who was. He stayed in the car and honked the horn and hurried Rust along when he was talking to landscaper spaghetti monster, and he shot Ladoux, maybe because they could claim he'd been at certain rituals. And he didn't seem too concerned when his daughter was drawing sexually explicit pictures. Maybe Marty with his daughter in tow stumbled upon grandpa and his Tuttle buddies in the middle of a ritual once. Hes tried to come to grips with what he knows and tried to ignore and it scarred his daughter somehow. Now im reaching again.
The last episode convinced me that Marty is no way shape or form involved or knows anything. As upset as he was at the video there's no way he'd have tolerated stumbling upon his father in law or even knowingly approved kids being used/killed/raped etc in that manner. I think for all the extra marital crap he's done he still loves his kids and kids in general....he has a soft spot for them and I don't think he'd have tolerated or been involved in anything related to harming kids. I think HBO let us off the hook on any conspiracy surrounding him as to not be distracted by it in the last episode.
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McConaughey confirms he's not doing a second season of True Detective. I think he should win an Emmy for his performance for this character hands down. And, as much as it sucks he's not returning I love the anthology idea and the fact that there won't be a chance to 'tire' of his character. It is what it is and should be enjoyed.....leave the door open for another gifted actor/actress to come and do the same.
https://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=855267
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So... while we're waiting for the finale, a little humor, or something. I knew what it was going to be before I even clicked on it, and still found it pretty funny.
True Detective / Magic Mike Mashup (Spoilers for Episode 7) (https://www.uproxx.com/tv/2014/03/perfect-true-detectivemagic-mike-mashup-possible/)
And just a wacky little thing. Opening credits for True Detective, done Law & Order style.
Yeah, Whatever (https://www.collegehumor.com/embed/6956544/true-detective-law-order-remake)
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True Detective / Magic Mike Mashup (Spoilers for Episode 7) (https://www.uproxx.com/tv/2014/03/perfect-true-detectivemagic-mike-mashup-possible/)
That was very close to my reaction to going to see Magic Mike with Mrs. P. Except that it was all inside. :rollin
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Yeah, me too. I'm comfortable enough with my masculinity, but stuff like this helps me confirm that I'm 100% hetero.
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Okay, I bypassed reading most of this thread...
Does this pick up? I watched the first two episodes, and I am not sure if I like it. It is very dark, very dreary, and seems to move very slowly. I will likely stick it out, since I am already 1/4 of the way through the 8-episode season, but I am just curious if it ever picks up, or if it this slow and dark the entire time. Non-spoiler answers would be appreciated. :)
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Okay, I bypassed reading most of this thread...
Does this pick up? I watched the first two episodes, and I am not sure if I like it. It is very dark, very dreary, and seems to move very slowly. I will likely stick it out, since I am already 1/4 of the way through the 8-episode season, but I am just curious if it ever picks up, or if it this slow and dark the entire time. Non-spoiler answers would be appreciated. :)
The 'darkness' never really vanishes. It's a theme of the show. As far as it picking up, I would say definitely. Judging from your opinions and preferences you've expressed on the forum of other shows....I'd think you'd be satisfied if you stick it out.
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Okay, cool. I am definitely gonna stick it out. :tup :tup
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Okay, cool. I am definitely gonna stick it out. :tup :tup
Besides, mcCaughnahey's performance in this series is worth the watch. If he doesn't win an Emmy for it it'd be a shame. And I forgot which episode it was/is, but there is a closing three/four minutes that is the most intense, well shot....choreographed....acted.....everything a show strives to be.....this show does it. It's pretty friggin cool.
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I'm assuming you're talking about the "oner" (strange word, presumably pronounced "one-er"). That's right near the end of Episode 4, and it's a six-minute sequence. The best thing about it is that they flow into it seamlessly from what's already a pretty intense scene and setup, and suddenly you're right there with a lot of crazy shit going down. Amazing piece of work.
This show isn't for everybody, but after I saw the first episode, I was totally hooked. Yes, it's dark and dreary, and doesn't actually move very quickly. But somehow it covers a lot of ground and gives you lots to think about.
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Yeah that six minute sequence was so damn intense that immediately afterward I reminded myself that I needed to breathe, took a big breath, then rewound it and watched it two more times before moving on from there. Intense.
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I didn't even realize it was a oner until all the buzz on the IMDb boards and the TWOP board (yeah, I'm a discussion board junkie). I went back and watched it a few more times. Super intense.
I love the way that, as a (presumably unspoiled) viewer, you don't even see it coming. Regular cuts, dialog, he gets dropped off half a block away, a lot of shots are hand-held anyway, we come up behind Cohle and follow them into the stash house, and from that point it's one continuous shot for the next six minutes. A "oner." It was all scripted and laid out and planned that way, which is to say, brilliantly. Through the house, out the back, through another house, across the backyards, over the fence, and out to Amelia Street, between 18th and 19th. Cohle gave him 90 seconds; it took Hart closer to two minutes, but we'll cut him some slack. It was a pretty crazy night.
I'm glad we have a few guys here still discussing this show. Since I don't have anyone else to discuss the show with, I can at least get something more out of it by getting other viewpoints. I had to stop hitting the IMDb boards and the TWOP board for this show because of all the discussion about the previews and speculation about the finale. I don't watch previews. They contain spoilers. I don't want to see them, and I don't want to know what other people saw and think about them. People put preview spoilers right in the thread topics, so I can't even browse there now. There are a few shows we watch regularly at home, always DVR'd, and at the end of the episode I pause it and leave the room so my wife can watch the spoilers preview.
Previews IMO are for one thing: to get you to watch the next episode. I'm going to watch it anyway, and I always prefer to watch it unfold as intended by the writer, director, everybody. If I catch even five seconds of a preview, I'm spoiled. I know what clothes they're wearing, I've seen the background of the scene. When that scene comes up, I'll be waiting for them to say the lines I heard, see the thing happen that I saw happen, and I won't be watching it with a clear, unspoiled view. I'm not really listening properly to the dialog; I'm already guessing how it's going to lead into what I've seen and heard. I hate that. The second viewing, third, any subsequent viewing, yeah I know what's coming. I can watch it and take more time to appreciate what I'm seeing. But I want to see it the first time without any foreknowledge.
Whoa. Sorry about the rant.
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Your brain is much more detail oriented than mine then. I watched the tease at the end of last week and I can't remember a single thing from it.
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Maybe. I don't actually watch a lot of TV, but the shows I do watch, I tend to watch because I appreciate the detail and obvious care they've put into it. My wife watches a shitload of TV, and even recorded, she doesn't bother skipping over commercials (which I always do) and sits through the previews and credits and everything. Mostly because she's too lazy to push a few buttons, but still.
I watch TV a few hours a week, so I make it count. I absorb as much as I can, and read up on it later, to get the most out of it that I can. Some teasers can show a lot and still leave you with no idea what's going on, but even those, I've seen them and I'll try to piece things together once I watch the episode. It's distracting.
But on the IMDb boards, they've checked the credits and already know which actors/characters will be returning for Episode 8, and they're discussing it. I don't even want to know that. If someone shows up again, hey, it's that guy from Episode 3 or whatever. If someone never shows up again, I guess they weren't important. But on a show like this, if they do show up again, it probably is important. I therefore don't even want to know that they're going to show up. I just want to watch things unfold.
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If this was mentioned previously I apologize, but, I decided to rewatch the series today and did anyone else notice the opening shot after the theme song on episode?.........................(possible spoiler)
It didn't make sense then and I forgot about that shot. It was 2 men (now I believe to be rus and marty) holding eeach other and limping out of a burning field, about 4-5 secs then it cuts to Marty being interviewed by the detectives.
I believe that's your ending shot. Interesting and intruiging if true
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If this was mentioned previously I apologize, but, I decided to rewatch the series today and did anyone else notice the opening shot after the theme song on episode?.........................(possible spoiler)
It didn't make sense then and I forgot about that shot. It was 2 men (now I believe to be rus and marty) holding eeach other and limping out of a burning field, about 4-5 secs then it cuts to Marty being interviewed by the detectives.
I believe that's your ending shot. Interesting and intruiging if true
That was one of the guys that burnt the field. Remember, the on-scene police officer explained to Marty that she was found because they were burning out the fields. I don't believe this was Rust or Marty. I started to when I first saw it too, but then the cop made the statement about them burning out the field.
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If this was mentioned previously I apologize, but, I decided to rewatch the series today and did anyone else notice the opening shot after the theme song on episode?.........................(possible spoiler)
That was one of the guys that burnt the field. Remember, the on-scene police officer explained to Marty that she was found because they were burning out the fields. I don't believe this was Rust or Marty. I started to when I first saw it too, but then the cop made the statement about them burning out the field.
I remember that but it still seems out of place, u may be right
It didn't make sense then and I forgot about that shot. It was 2 men (now I believe to be rus and marty) holding eeach other and limping out of a burning field, about 4-5 secs then it cuts to Marty being interviewed by the detectives.
I believe that's your ending shot. Interesting and intruiging if true
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I actually do believe that is rus carrying Marty arm in arm, I watched it again. Then it cuts to someone starting the burning of the grass, I believe those are 2 separate scenes. Just a guess
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Hilarious...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zTSDFiI24
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Spoilers:
Here is a very interesting take on events..Many of which I and others have proposed. Sounds like we may all be on to something. Guess we'll see. Can't wait until Sunday.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/-em-true-detective-em-spoiler-y-speculation-about-the-finale/284288/
I have a new theory. I think Martys father-in-law is involved; and the Yellow King is Errol, the lawn mower dude, or Steve Geraci.
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Spoilers:
Here is a very interesting take on events..Many of which I and others have proposed. Sounds like we may all be on to something. Guess we'll see. Can't wait until Sunday.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/-em-true-detective-em-spoiler-y-speculation-about-the-finale/284288/
I have a new theory. I think Martys father-in-law is involved; and the Yellow King is Errol, the lawn mower dude, or Steve Geraci.
Pretty neat....and like you said, it covers ground that we've discussed here. But in fairness we've convicted near every character at one point or another :lol I'm excited to see how it all plays out
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I am not looking at anything like that. I don't want the viewing to be tainted.
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Okay..so for about 20 minutes there I had to remember to breathe. Very nicely done, but looking back they could do without all the symbolism. It created a ton of speculation and theories about what happened, but it left a ton of loose ends I think too. At any rate, overall, I loved this series. MM should win an Emmy for his performance. His portrayal was on par with Jessica Langes in Season 1 of AHS, IMO.
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Well, I tried like hell. I got through a good amount of the 3rd episode, but this is just not doing it for me, so I am ditching it. I know I probably should love it, but I just don't. I find myself totally bored watching it. Sorry guys, I tried. :(
Plus, I have HBO Go now, so I want to dedicate my time to watching some shows I've always wanted to watch - like The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, etc. - instead of wasting my time trying to force myself to like something.
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Okay..so for about 20 minutes there I had to remember to breathe. Very nicely done, but looking back they could do without all the symbolism. It created a ton of speculation and theories about what happened, but it left a ton of loose ends I think too. At any rate, overall, I loved this series. MM should win an Emmy for his performance. His portrayal was on par with Jessica Langes in Season 1 of AHS, IMO.
MM deserves that Emmy for sure. Great series....good finale....I appreciate the fact they kept it realistic to the point of the guy was just a nut job psycho with a few nut job psycho buddies. They did leave it open to where there could be more involved, but hey....I'm good with the finale.
Question. The room Hart walked throught to get to the half sister in the bathroom.....was that like an abortion room? Multiple chunks of meat everywhere...soiled towels....a tub....stack of air freshner? Looked messed up.
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Highway depressed why insatiable for banana polite consciousness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHWLpJRlBYA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHWLpJRlBYA)
(check the link and you'll understand)
Greetings...
Nef
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Um... yeah.
So anyway, it's over, and that's kinda depressing. Like everything else about this show. Okay okay, that's not fair; the show was supposed to be depressing, I think. It was an unfiltered look at a bleak, dirty part of life, through the eyes of some pretty damaged, fucked-up guys.
SPOILERS
Despite the serious near-deaths when they tracked down and confronted the spaghetti monster, I still somehow came away feeling disappointed by how the ending played out. Like it still didn't have some kind of BANG that I was expecting.
As Nic Pizzolatto has been saying all along, there's no supernatural, there's no ridiculous plot twist, it's just a detective story. The first five episodes, by jumping back and forth between 1995 and 2012, with the occassional stop in 2002, created a tension and challenged the viewer. Once we got to Episode 6 and the narrative played out straight, it was just another show. A great show, with great writing and brilliant acting, and I was invested in the characters and it was cool to see them together again, but still a "regular" show.
At the end, with both of them in the hospital, they were teasing each other and giving each other shit in a barbed yet good-natured way which we really hadn't seen before. I'm thinking it was like the rapport they'd developed during seven years of being partners, ten years ago, and it was supposed to be good to see them sharing that again. But since we really didn't get to see it before, it seemed to come out of nowhere for me.
Both men cried. Both men finally let it out, after 17 years of torture. They got their man, it's over. Marty seemed pretty much the same, maybe a little brighter. Rust was almost positive and optimistic, which was the biggest change. He felt. He felt the love, he even talked about it, and hey, from his viewpoint, the light is winning. That's some real progress. Especially since I thought he was gonna die.
Despite the slightly underwhelming ending, which really couldn't have gone any other way, it was overall a good show. An excellent show. I'd watch it again, given the chance, but I've got HBO free for now and it's ending soon, so I don't know when that chance will be.
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pretty good summation of my thoughts as well, Orbert. I felt the journey was much better than the destination for this show. Overall I felt they could have done a bit more with the ending, but all in all it was a seriously fun ride.
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Excellent episode with good writing, great acting and very beautiful/disturbing cinematography. The plot was logical and linear so I don't feel unduly surprised or cheated. I have no complaint with the intensity of the climax. Like TempusVox said, it was a good twenty minutes of squirming and breath-holding.
Still, I somehow came away feeling disappointed in the outcome much as Orbert describes. It's pretty strange. Previously I was keen to watch the whole series over again to get a better understanding of the investigation but now I don't feel that way. Would I watch it again to immerse myself in the acting? Maybe, but I'm guessing I'd be annoyed by the unresolved threads in the show.
Was the plotline involving Marty's daughter a red herring or simply the producers/director's way of showing us how everyday problems can sometimes be misread? Just providing mood or foils for Marty's character? I'm confused.
I would still recommend this mini-series to anyone who likes great drama: Grade A.
As a who-done-it I'd give it a B grade, I suppose. Am I wrong? I'm eager to be persuaded.
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I dunno, guys. Not sure what you were expecting for you to be disappointed in that finale. Maybe you read one online speculation too many? So glad I didn't really read any of those.
I thought it was excellent. And if MM doesn't win an Emmy, THAT will be a conspiracy.
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I know Hef, right? That could be it...too much speculation and anticipation. Like I said before, I literally have no complaint with the show. I didn't even find it particularly anti-climatic. It was terrific! Seriously.
So what the hell is my problem? :lol
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I dunno, guys. Not sure what you were expecting for you to be disappointed in that finale. Maybe you read one online speculation too many? So glad I didn't really read any of those.
I thought it was excellent. And if MM doesn't win an Emmy, THAT will be a conspiracy.
I think you're right. Any disappointment could be derrived from the fact that the fans turned the show into something the writer said all along that it wasn't. I particularly liked how they didn't take it to an 'unbelievable' level. That it remained grounded.
And I really enjoyed the closure (I guess) that Kohl got from his near death experience. After all the 'dark'....life is pointless diatribe that he confessed to everyone at every instance.....presumably brought on from the tragic loss of his daughter.....he came "full circle" so to speak with the reward of feeling her eternal presence....being present with her for eternity. I liked that.
I liked how pretty much the entire series the writers made it a point to show how much more intelligent Kohl was than Hart and even at one point having Kohl state to Hart.... that Hart was nothing without him.....and then the final piece of the puzzle was solved by Hart, the green paint....and they even took the time to show the level of amazement on Kohls face at the fact he had not seen or discovered that.
I really thought it was a good series. Looking forward to seeing how they carry on with season two.
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I dunno, guys. Not sure what you were expecting for you to be disappointed in that finale. Maybe you read one online speculation too many? So glad I didn't really read any of those.
I thought it was excellent. And if MM doesn't win an Emmy, THAT will be a conspiracy.
I think you're right. Any disappointment could be derrived from the fact that the fans turned the show into something the writer said all along that it wasn't. I particularly liked how they didn't take it to an 'unbelievable' level. That it remained grounded.
And I really enjoyed the closure (I guess) that Kohl got from his near death experience. After all the 'dark'....life is pointless diatribe that he confessed to everyone at every instance.....presumably brought on from the tragic loss of his daughter.....he came "full circle" so to speak with the reward of feeling her eternal presence....being present with her for eternity. I liked that.
I liked how pretty much the entire series the writers made it a point to show how much more intelligent Kohl was than Hart and even at one point having Kohl state to Hart.... that Hart was nothing without him.....and then the final piece of the puzzle was solved by Hart, the green paint....and they even took the time to show the level of amazement on Kohls face at the fact he had not seen or discovered that.
I really thought it was a good series. Looking forward to seeing how they carry on with season two.
Great summation! I think some people missed the boat on what the purpose of the story was. It was about Marty and Rus relationship. The last 20 mins of the show solidify that. Everything else is just a backdrop for what is the the true intent; the relationshipi of two cops from totally different backgrounds working a case over 2 decades and how it evolvedbecause of that case.
That scene of mutual comraderie and partnership in the hospital parking lot amidst Rus revelation was the best scene in the entire series IMO. I loved this ending and shed some tears with matt's glorious performance about seeing his daughter in the warm darkness. F-ing incredible!
I am already rewatching the series. Loved the ending
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I haven't read anything but the last couple posts but I don't know how anyone could be disappointed in that finale. I thought it was gorgeous, tense, brooding, and then wrapped a nice little pink bow on top of it all when I expected a shit storm and then cut to black. I didn't expect them to get out alive but it was well done...and that last monologue? :'( :heart :hefdaddy
I think this is a series ('this one' at least...since sadly no more Mathew or Woody) that, for me at least, is going down in television history. This might take Breaking Bad's spot for me and it did it in eight episodes... I am definitely going to do a marathon run once it comes out on Blu-ray. This whole series is just a masterpiece in every way.
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I haven't read anything but the last couple posts but I don't know how anyone could be disappointed in that finale. I thought it was gorgeous, tense, brooding, and then wrapped a nice little pink bow on top of it all when I expected a shit storm and then cut to black. I didn't expect them to get out alive but it was well done...and that last monologue? :'( :heart :hefdaddy
I think this is a series ('this one' at least...since sadly no more Mathew or Woody) that, for me at least, is going down in television history. This might take Breaking Bad's spot for me and it did it in eight episodes... I am definitely going to do a marathon run once it comes out on Blu-ray. This whole series is just a masterpiece in every way.
:tup :tup :tup I will sorely miss this series.
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After I think it was 4th episode, I stopped reading all about the show. While it's fun to read about theories and come up with your own it almost always tends to not hold up when the show finishes. It's probably why I enjoyed all 8 episodes so much. I mean after the first episode itself I didn't really care what the case was or who did what I was just so caught with the story telling narrative. I was hooked to those 2 characters from the start. I really hate that I'll probably have to wait a year for the next season and the bluray release of this show.
I have a feeling this is going to be my fav show of the year.
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I just picked up on this. probably, female lead detectives
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/true-detective-season-2-to-tackle-transit-systems-occult-history-20140310
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Just gonna leave this right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbO61Nd0Jlk
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:lol :rollin
Awesome!! Ross Marquand is a great talent. Very funny guy! A very dear friend of mine is Jim Meskimen and the two of them just did a web series called "The Impression Guys". Very funny stuff. I would never tell Jim, but Ross is as gifted as he is I think. :biggrin:
Here is the second one in that same series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2231643691&feature=iv&src_vid=xbO61Nd0Jlk&v=2tyUWVk7B9k
:lol
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He's got the voice down, which to me is probably the most important and most difficult part of doing a good impression.
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Well Jessica Chastain offered lead role in next TD. sweet Pick.
https://www.nerdist.com/2014/05/exclusive-jessica-chastain-offered-lead-role-in-hbos-true-detective-season-2/
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Just saw that myself...interesting! I haven't seen much of her work so this will be exciting if she accepts.
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Just saw that myself...interesting! I haven't seen much of her work so this will be exciting if she accepts.
She's a fantastic actress and I think she'll be great on the show if she signs. Some great movies she's in Zero Dark Thirty, The Help, Mama and Lawless (though her part is just for the bewbs)
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Well Jessica Chastain offered lead role in next TD. sweet Pick.
https://www.nerdist.com/2014/05/exclusive-jessica-chastain-offered-lead-role-in-hbos-true-detective-season-2/
Kinda funny when you consider her preceding lead in the show was Matthew McConaughey, whom she is co-starring with in Interstellar latter this year.
But yeah, terrific pick! :tup
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Also they just released pre-orders on iTunes. June 9th woooot. Finally...I love watching it on the big-screen On Demand but it'll be nice to just be able to watch the show in HD on the puter and devices.
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So...IF she accepts who would you pair with her?? Here are three very random choices:
Vera Farmiga
Zoe Saldana
Laurie Metcalf...yes...you read that right. :)
I think any of these actresses could play "gritty, kick ass" very well.
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I think Freddie Lounds from Hannibal should play opposite her...TWO redheads? Shiiiet, das a mudda'fuckin' CYCOSAYN team yo.
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So...IF she accepts who would you pair with her?? Here are three very random choices:
Vera Farmiga
Zoe Saldana
Laurie Metcalf...yes...you read that right. :)
I think any of these actresses could play "gritty, kick ass" very well.
I like those. BUT, How about Frances McDormand? Laura Linney? Great actresses. Or somone else in that age range, it Could be an elder with a long past. It would harkin back to a partnership like Freeman and Pitt had from Seven. Could really be a great dynamic.
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Sooo supposedly she hasn't been offered the role (https://screenrant.com/true-detective-season-2-leads-jessica-chastain/)... :lol
Damn it...this is why I try to stay out of the rumor mill.. Granted, they're not gonna explicitly say that she's in it if she's only considering it but even so.. Grain of salt taken.
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Mcconaughey open to return.....
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mcconaughey-open-true-detective-141727777.html#Be7cQ3
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Mcconaughey open to return.....
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mcconaughey-open-true-detective-141727777.html#Be7cQ3
Yeah, I saw that.
Although that's a far cry from WILL return.
And I can't imagine bringing his character back for any meaningful role.
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Mcconaughey open to return.....
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mcconaughey-open-true-detective-141727777.html#Be7cQ3
Yeah, I saw that.
Although that's a far cry from WILL return.
And I can't imagine bringing his character back for any meaningful role.
Yep. No certain commitment but it's nice to know that if the story or role was compelling enough it could happen. I agree that a 'meaningful' role would be tough to come by....if it were post Yellow King. However, if they were to center it around his days as an undercover NARC? That may have some legs.
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Yeah, his days as Crash could be cool.
But I thought the idea was that it was an anthology show anyway. Next season will be a completely different story and cast.
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Right, Orby. There's not gonna be any Matthew next season. If there is, I'll give you my address and you can attempt to crucify me. No offense whatsoever to Gman, but Yahoo News might as well be a dumpster tabloid :angel: ...I mean, c'mon, they're calling the next confirmed season, by the creator himself, a 'rumor' that 'might' happen. The fuck? :lol It's pretty rampant news that's been out for quite some time now. Yeah, the Chastain listings for lead actress were rumors, but everything else is a completely confirmed fact.
The second season is happening (https://screenrant.com/true-detective-season-2-characters-setting-california/), and it's going to be based in California. Yahoo news is sophomore...as is most of Yahoo now. Not that I'm questioning the fact that Matthew said that, I'm sure he did, I'm more than sure he wants to return; it was both lucrative and without a smidgen of a doubt it was absolutely enthralling, just watching the show (and especially the behind the scenes) can confirm that much. But he won't be in next season and I doubt he'll be in the next. But down the line, should he still want to reprise his role, that'd be fuckin' awesome to see him as a cameo character in a season completely disconnected from the first, in a small scene or two. That would be invigorating, giving a new meaning to the connected world. I'm sure this is all happening in the same 'universe' and is primarily based in the real world, though with it being the second season, who knows?
But this isn't anything to gasp at...it's the actor investing interest; don't get me wrong, still awesome to know, I'd love to see him again. But at this point in the life of the show, it's little more than a tidbit... Then again, that wouldn't garner views, would it? :\ :huh: :tup :corn :xbones :angel: :xbones :-[ :metal :) :mehlin :( :hat
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So this is apparently coming out on DVD and Blu Ray on Tuesday. I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't wait to dive back into the gloriously grim world of True Detective again. What a fantastic show and I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of extras are on the release.
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Hell yes, been waiting for a while now. Definitely doing a marathon of the show the day it comes out.
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The truest marathon: BEGIN DETECTION!
(https://s15.postimg.org/4y1sn7tcr/0aa51d1bb48596e744d6b1c6f1cb67921402087512_full.jpg)
Actually I started it last night (or early this morning), already on E3. This is probably never gonna be surpassed for me...it's so god damn perfect.
Really awesome to go back (though it's my third viewing) and see stuff I missed or catch a phrase or an image that alludes to the real mystery.
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I'm probably going to wait to find a deal or something, $40 for an 8 episode season on bluray is a little beyond my price preference.
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Just finished the 4th viewing; to me, it's totally worth it, every penny. It's my favorite series by far and away at this point. I absolutely love when the end song kicks in and the camera just focuses on the night sky and slowly you see more and more stars...perfect soundtrack too. It's a truly beautiful series. I honestly don't think that the second season will touch this one no matter what they do, for me at least, but I'm still excited to see what Pizzolatto comes up with. I also think they're at an immediate disadvantage because of different directors every episode, but then again plenty of amazing series have had numerous directors for multiple episodes so...here's hoping. Though...god damn, is Fukunaga some kind of wizard behind the camera. Absolutely beautiful series. 20/10; would be raped again.
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Just finished the 4th viewing; to me, it's totally worth it, every penny. It's my favorite series by far and away at this point. I absolutely love when the end song kicks in and the camera just focuses on the night sky and slowly you see more and more stars...perfect soundtrack too. It's a truly beautiful series. I honestly don't think that the second season will touch this one no matter what they do, for me at least, but I'm still excited to see what Pizzolatto comes up with. I also think they're at an immediate disadvantage because of different directors every episode, but then again plenty of amazing series have had numerous directors for multiple episodes so...here's hoping. Though...god damn, is Fukunaga some kind of wizard behind the camera. Absolutely beautiful series. 20/10; would be raped again.
Yeah, this is how I feel. The first season set such a high bar in terms of the writing, acting, and cinematography that it will be very, very hard for the next not to be a disappointment in some way. I almost feel bad for the season 2 team as they will be endlessly compared to the escapades of Rust, Marty and the Yellow King. It'll be interesting to see where Nic goes from here and if he'll be able to find someone as good as Cary to fully realize his vision.
I'm gonna hopefully pickup the first season tomorrow. Supposedly Target has it on sale for 29.99 for the blu ray. I have some gift cards so hell yeah bring it Target.
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Looks like amazon dropped it to 29.99 right now. I'd ideally like to spend $20 on this set, I guess if nothing this is the next best price.
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Id really like to watch again, just need to find the time. I really enjoyed the series on my first watch but I watched the episodes too far apart and know I missed many things or forgot them inbetween viewings.
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I don't do too many series on DVD/Blu-ray, but this is one that I would love to have.
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Just finished this. I really enjoyed it. I wouldn't call it my favorite show, but it's highly enjoyable with a great cast. Episodes 4 and 8 were the best!
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Vince Vaughn?? Really? Okay... Could be interesting.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/true-detective/news/1931243/tv_talk_casting_is_true_detectives_biggest_mystery/
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Vince Vaughn?? Really? Okay... Could be interesting.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/true-detective/news/1931243/tv_talk_casting_is_true_detectives_biggest_mystery/
I'll have to trust the judgment of the writer(s) on that one. I'm not a huge Vaughn fan but it could end up being great just because it would seem to be an out of the ordinary role for him. Given the fact the article says the character he may play was written with him in mind....it just could be a pleasant surprise.
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Yeah...considering he would play the main antagonist, it may go over okay actually. Although a departure for him onscreen, I can actually see him as being a creepy bad assed prick very well if the role called for it. I think he could do low-key psycho very convincingly.
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I love it, I could immediately see him stealing the show as some creepy-as-all-hell murderous freak. Either way it goes though, I'm not giving this even a smidgen of salt until anything official. Rumors these days are so fuckin ridiculous and rampant. I have my doubts, but I could see it happening. Still not giving credence.
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After seeing Vaughn's laughably bad performance in the remake of Psycho (a film that never should have been remade in the first place), I have a hard time envisioning him being good in any serious role. He's like Adam Sandler: a one-trick pony.
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Sandler wasn't terrible in the serious roles I've seen him in.
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I think a film made over 15 years ago is a pretty poor representation of an actor's ability now; not to mention that Vaughn was hardly the problem with the film, I actually don't think he was that terrible for the absolute utter SHIT he had to work with. As you said, it shouldn't have existed in the first place. I don't like Vaughn much at all; in fact, I really dislike most of his movies. But if anything can wring-out the talent out of someone, it's True Detective and the people behind it. I have complete confidence that the creative minds behind the show will make sure that who they hire will be up to snuff.
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Sandler wasn't terrible in the serious roles I've seen him in.
I thought he was fantastic in Spanglish. I wish he would make more films like that, instead of the crap comedies he's been making lately. He's lost "it."
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So Colin Farrell is confirmed for Season Two. Thoughts on that? I think he's a decent actor and it'll be interesting to see how he does with a well written script (presuming the writing team can maintain season 1's brilliance) and good direction.
https://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=890010
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Colin Ferrel is great when he gets good material to work with. It's just that he's picked so much questionable material over the years.
Color me excited.
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https://www.imdb.com/news/ni57773767
So, first Farrell and now Vaughn is confirmed. They have peaked my interest. However, I was under the impression from previous chatter they were going to have females be the protagonist. guess not.
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That was one theory, but I don't think there was anything definite regarding having female leads.
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Not sure about the direction the new Director Justin Lin may take it? I looked at his Bio and he has done a few Fast and Furious movies, which I deplore, and most of his acheivements seem flashy. I like the dark vein that the first season kept throughout and this pick as a director worries me a bit.
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He did the Modern Warfare episode of Community so he's OK in my book.
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Same writer + HBO = I trust it until I have reason not to do so.
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Same here. I thought the first season was great, and had no idea that Matthew McConaghey had acting chops of that magnitude. Woody either, to be honest. Colin and Vince are somewhat in the same boat with me. I don't think they suck or anything; I just haven't necessarily seen anything by them that blows me away either. So I'm hoping to being pleasantly surprised, possibly even blown away.
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It's either gonna blow us away, or will suck horribly. If it sucks it's because Vince will overact, and Colin will stand around and let his nostrils flare. For both of these actors, when they're on, with great material, they're pretty good. When they suck, I can't stand either one of them.
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I have slight reservations. Agree with TV, while the writing was great, many of Rust's lines would have have sounded hackneyed and a little shit without that magnificent performance to accomodate it. Not putting it down at all, just that the performances have to match up with the writing or anything the characters say will be off-putting. Especially since we're not sure what to expect as far as mood and characters go aside from basic info, we could be setting ourselves up for disappointment because they will, without a doubt and try as we might to resist, be compared to the previous season's. And they have to be able to differentiate the atmosphere of this new season while keeping that ominous and unnsettling feel into play. Which is why I'm both glad and sad at Fukunaga's absence. Lin is probably well aware that this isn't the flashy, high octane stuff he's used to, but there isn't much else he's done. The DP is the same though,so it's not too worrisome. It's just if Pizzolatto is going to be able to make this stand out on its own ultimately. Hopefully the longer season means it won't rush to try and match up to the last and will be devoid of the "perhaps he was a painting a green house" kind of oh fuck off moments that hurt the end of last season.
Gotta admit, even though I though TD was some of the best television I've seen in my short years, I'm surprised to see it mentioned so often in the best crime drama thread.
Also I'd like to suggest In Bruges and Triage, both very great films and the latter underrated. That should make some feel better about Farrell, at least. Vaughn on the other hand, well...
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So I watched all this on catch-up on Now TV, and I thought it was really great. Really, truly dark and intense.
I think it's natural to be a little apprehensive about a second season of this sort of "anthology" show. I think one of the great things about the first season was the characterisation (including the superb acting) and the interactions between the two main characters. With those characters gone, it'll basically be a different show. So I'm fairly excited but also quite trepidatious as well.
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Loved the first season, looking forward to the next. But I think that the first one will always be the best in the eyes of the general population, no matter how season 2 does.
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The first season will be the standard by which all others will be compared, for obvious reasons. And that will make it harder for me to judge subsequent seasons on their own merit. There will be the temptation to constantly think how Rust would've handled it differently, or what Marty would have said in the same situation, or whatever. After the two main characters have had a couple of discussions, I'll be comparing their dialogue as well. That sort of thing.
Kinda like how if a band's debut album really kicks ass, you're almost sure to be disappointed in the follow-up, unless the follow-up is noticeably better. "More of the same" often isn't good enough; it alone can almost be seen as a failure, even if that "same" is on a stellar level. Since it's the same guy writing it and the same core team producing it, it should be safe to assume that the next season will be of similar quality to the first. Maybe he's just warming up and the second season will blow our minds. Maybe he shot his load with the first season and the second will be lame. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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I don't think I'm normally that way. In general I think I'm pretty good at judging a follow-up on its own merits. I guess the difference is that with a regular TV show that keeps the same characters/stories, you maybe give it a bit of lee-way because it's continuing the story and part of something bigger. With an anthology show, it's almost like it's a new, unrelated story and so you have to judge it separately.
I guess in that sense, it is a lot like a second album. But if anything I would say that, for me personally, it's easier to be objective. If it's as good as the first series but not better, then I'm unlikely to like it less just for being "more of the same" (unless they literally just do the same thing, but that seems unlikely!).
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But that's kinda what I'm afraid of. Well, not afraid, more like wary. There were a lot of things that made the first season great, but any list would have to include the dialogue between Rust and Marty. I would assume that the Season 2 leads would also have some great conversations; it seems to be one of the writer's strengths, so he would play to it. Therefore, I'm going to be comparing the Season 2 dialogue with the Season 1 dialogue to see how it stacks up. With the same writer, it will likely "feel" the same, making the comparison even more apt. That kind of thing.
I could be completely wrong. Season 2 could be so different in look and feel that it doesn't even make sense to compare them. I'm actually hoping for that. Different, but just as awesome.
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Yeah I would agree with that.
For example, unless they had something specific in mind, I would probably prefer they don't spread the story across 20 years (or whatever it was) again. The way they did it in season 1, gradually bringing it more into the present day, was brilliant, but I think if they did that again it would really encourage direct comparisons to season 1, making it harder to enjoy it for what it is.
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The first season was one of my favorite things on TV ever.
I have complete faith in the writer and cast for the second season. One thing that could produce a different feel (other than being a different story in a different location with different characters) is that, unlike season 1, they won't be using one director for the entire show. So there may not be that same unity of vision for each episode.
But that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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Season 1 feels like such a vision. Someone knew exactly how they wanted that season of TV to be, drawing from the old 'Carcosa' and 'Yellow King' stuff. And from how the entire thing feels, it seems like someone had spent quite sometime crafting it. I just worry that season 2 won't have that same specific and focused overall vision.
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Teaser trailer for season 2 is here, and the season is coming june 12th!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfU7CGY5DQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfU7CGY5DQ)
Not much to evaluate, except for cinematography and character looks I guess, which all looks just fine.
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Like you said not much to really evaluate but it "looks" like it's produced well again....I'm anxious to see how Vaughn does. It'd be nice to see him pull this off.
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Haven't checked but are they doing the same production format as first season with one screenwriter and one director for the entire season?
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Haven't checked but are they doing the same production format as first season with one screenwriter and one director for the entire season?
I don't think they are....which was the cause of the trepidation that Season II wouldn't be able to match that magic of Season I because of that....
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Haven't checked but are they doing the same production format as first season with one screenwriter and one director for the entire season?
I'm fairly certain that it WILL be one writer, but it will definitely not be one director.
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Haven't checked but are they doing the same production format as first season with one screenwriter and one director for the entire season?
I'm fairly certain that it WILL be one writer, but it will definitely not be one director.
same writer from Season 1? It's way to easy to Google it.......
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Same writer, yes. Pizolatto hit it out of the park, but Fukunaga an Arkapaw were responsible for all the nuance. Fukunaga has a thing for tracking shots, don't know much about Arkapaw's other stuff but my God was his vision for the show the best thing about it.
Justin Lin, (one of?) the new director(s?), hasn't done anything I'm a fan of personally, and nothing on Arkapaw's returning. How much of the first season would have been hackneyed shit had they not had that mesmerizing, consistently gorgeous mise en scene? Had they not had McConaughey and Harrelson? Not sure I could have taken the whole "Crash" thing seriously with Farrell, certainly not Vaughn. We'll see, my lowered expectations only means that another home run will be a welcome kick in the ass.
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Haven't seen the season two teaser but I think it shouldn't be too much of an issue with Cary Fukunaga not returning. If he establishes the tone and direction to the other directors much like how David Fincher did with House of Cards, then it should follow the same look and feel of the previous season as the template.
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Just finished the first season! Good show with solid chemistry between Rust and Marty. The ending was a bit meh but then again i'm not sure how diffrent they could do it. I don't like when a show ends with a "boss battle" if you know what I mean but it's unavoidable with a story like this.
I think Colin and Vince is definitely a weird pairing but i'm intrigued to see how Vince handles a serious role, haven't seen him doing anything like this.
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Watched the first episode of season 2 last night.
Definitely a different feel from the first season, which was to be expected. But I was pleased with everything I saw. Except Rachel McAdams's character, who I immediately dislike. Hope she has some growth and development through the series.
We'll see how it goes.
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Really liked the first episode. There was quite a few parts moving so it took me a while to put the pieces together. But that is not a bad thing, and this was definetely a good episode, and I'm excited for the rest of the season.
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Really liked the first episode. There was quite a few parts moving so it took me a while to put the pieces together. But that is not a bad thing, and this was definetely a good episode, and I'm excited for the rest of the season.
Yea alot of character setups and buliding story arcs in the first episode. More than the entire first season. Overall it was ok, as I said the first episode was more about setting up the season than delving right into a case. One thing that I felt a bit miffed about was when they used dramatic music between scenes that didn't really do anything imo. I don't know I just felt they tried to hard to create that same dark and gritty feel the locations in S1 had but in California.
I just hope the show will have the same dark and intense feel as the first season.
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I didn't really like the vibe from the first episode but looking back they did open up four different storylines which seemed to converge at the end.
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Definitely a different feel from the first season, which was to be expected. But I was pleased with everything I saw. Except Rachel McAdams's character, who I immediately dislike. Hope she has some growth and development through the series.
I didn't mind McAdams character....despite it appearing she's a cliche abandoned girl/daddy/male issues chick.
I was prepared to be let down being I enjoyed season 1 so much but I thought it was a solid start. Just have to see how this all plays out.
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Watched the premiere last night and loved it. All characters seem very intriguing and I was surprised there were so many, I thought there were only 2 main ones for some reason. This episode they didn't start with the mystery murder, but rather establish the characters first and then show the murder at the end with hints to it being not right. I already cannot wait for the next few episodes. Should be excellent! I love the drab look of all the characters, so defeated and the life washed out of them. Very haunting aerial shots I thought that really helped in setting the tone of the series.
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Very haunting aerial shots I thought that really helped in setting the tone of the series.
I thought the imagery and 'look' of it all was just as cool as last season. That one scene of the aerial shot over the power plant at night was pretty killer....
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Yeah I meant the aerial shots in the context of this season where the setting is in the city. Several of the night shots were particularly cool.
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Also I got tricked into thinking Colin Farrell was talking to a police reporter instead of his lawyer in that opening scene. Nicely done.
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Also I got tricked into thinking Colin Farrell was talking to a police reporter instead of his lawyer in that opening scene. Nicely done.
As did I.
Did it feel like to anyone else that given the flashback scene and the fact that Ferills character did Vaughn's character a favor with the reporter deal....that they've known each other a while? Even in the flashback scene it seemed like it might be one of those 'childhood' friends deals?
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My take after that reporter beating and then followed by the meeting Colin has with Vince is that he's Vince's inside man in the police force. It might be an understanding or sense of loyalty to Vince after he gives Colin the alleged wife attacker.
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Yeah Colin seems to be in Vince's pocket. "Most corrupt district in LA".
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Yeah Colin seems to be in Vince's pocket. "Most corrupt district in LA".
And it appears he doesn't discriminate on which vice he'll ingest at any given time... :lol
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Definitely a different feel from the first season, which was to be expected. But I was pleased with everything I saw. Except Rachel McAdams's character, who I immediately dislike. Hope she has some growth and development through the series.
I didn't mind McAdams character....despite it appearing she's a cliche abandoned girl/daddy/male issues chick.
Well, all the characters are pretty cliche in that sense. And they're all pretty equally unlikeable. :lol
Solid start, but good lord this show is so damn bleak.
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I was unable to really get into Season 1 of this (I am crazy, I know, as everyone I know has told me :lol), and I am not sure this season will do it for me either. I don't mind dark and bleak, but this is almost too dark and bleak.
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I was unable to really get into Season 1 of this (I am crazy, I know, as everyone I know has told me :lol), and I am not sure this season will do it for me either. I don't mind dark and bleak, but this is almost too dark and bleak.
My God.
If you couldn't get into season 1 (one of the best seasons of episodic TV in history), why are you bothering with season 2?
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I definately enjoyed the first episode. That scene on the motorcycle, when he turns the lights off at 100 mph gave me chills. I love the setting. I am getting a bit of a "Copland" vibe, which I don't mind at all. I loved that movie also. The ending of the episode with everyone merging on the body was a great scene as well. I loved season 1, was probably one of my favorites next to Breaking Bad. I think this is a good start.
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I was unable to really get into Season 1 of this (I am crazy, I know, as everyone I know has told me :lol)
Then next time we get together I owe it to the forum and all True Detective fans to slap your hands with a ruler..... :lol how dare you!
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I know many people who couldn't get into True Detective, nothing wrong with that. Sometimes the hype kills the expectations.
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Great episode again, I really enjoyed it. I'm also coming around to really liking the theme song.
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Wow...I guess George RR Martin wrote that episode!? :lol I liked it....good start to the season.
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Great episode!
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I loved this episode, even before that ending! Some of that familiar season 1-style dialogue was more prominent here, interesting and bleak with a touch of that dark humour as well.
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WTH? :lol Here I was, about to fall a sleep and shit got real quickly. I'm not really feeling this season yet but still, it's only two episodes in and current events made me a bit more interested so i'm hopeful.
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I'm not really feeling this season yet
It definitely has an entire different 'vibe' than the first season. From the characters to the story....just different. I doubt that any season will compare to the first one or be able to match what it was....but I've been entertained with the opening two episodes and am invested in the story already. Especially now where...unless ol' boy had one heck of a bullet proof vest on....one of (what we thought was) the main characters just gets flat out blasted in episode 2!
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Finally watched both episodes and I really like it. Had to watch the first one twice to fully understand cause I wasn't completely paying attention the first time. Really great ending to both episodes and it would be interesting if he is dead, but I don't know...
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Was it me, or was episode 3 more "dense" than the first two? I feel like I need to watch it again.
Of course, I was really tired and struggling to stay awake, so maybe that was it.
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Yea the episode was a slow burner, some interesting moments but again more backstory. I too will have to watch again as I saw it very late last night.
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There is definetely a lot of information to keep track of this season, more than the first. But again, I liked this episode. Not as much as last week though, since I thought Farrel's fake-out death was a bit of a cheep cheat, and last week had a bit more of that interesting True Detective dialogue.
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I keep waiting for the occult stuff to kick in or at least I hope there's some creepy occult stuff this season.
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The weird bird mask from last week seems to indicate that there's somehing strange like that going on.
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I read an interesting article that speculated the idea that the occult stuff is related between the two seasons, that would be cool to have some sort of tie in. It was just speculation and admit tingly likely a wrong theory, but it was a cool possible idea (and still possible I think). I cant find the link now of course
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Was it me, or was episode 3 more "dense" than the first two? I feel like I need to watch it again.
Lots of things happening behind the scenes it appears. The city of Vinci leadership is clearly tied to the murder....way too many quick glances and concerned looks in the scene with them all in the room.
You have Vaughns underling giving and getting a hard stare from the Mexican leader in that underground meeting...and then the Russian dude seems fishy as well as he keeps insisting he's not making the calls.
And, I loved the scene where Vaughn kicked the crap out of Ol' boy and took his teeth. :lol
I read an interesting article that speculated the idea that the occult stuff is related between the two seasons, that would be cool to have some sort of tie in. It was just speculation and admit tingly likely a wrong theory, but it was a cool possible idea (and still possible I think). I cant find the link now of course
I read that. It was neat and really gave the impression that it is possible to link the two seasons (and subsequent seasons) to an overall, underlying...nationwide occult. It'd be tough to do but very impressive for,sure.
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Yea definitely a lot going on, I've had to watch every episode twice now to understand, and I honestly feel like I still am missing things even though I understand the general story and whats going on. This season just has a lot more characters than last and that makes it more complicated.
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"You can keep the rings on."
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"You can keep the rings on."
:metal That was great!
Vaughn/Farrel aren't at the level of acting that Harrelson/McConehey gave us last season.....but they haven't been slouches by any means. I was a tad nervous about them being cast, but all in all I think they've done a good job. They haven't 'ruined' it at least IMO.
And, pure speculation obviously, but I think the Crow Masked man was/is Farrells boss.....the tall skinny dark haired detective. Same build...with his actions and mannerisms in the de-briefing and him being on scene afterwards....just a hunch but I think he's heavily involved.
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Yea, that guy is vey sketchy, but I wonder if thats just to throw us off since its so blatant.
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And, pure speculation obviously, but I think the Crow Masked man was/is Farrells boss.....the tall skinny dark haired detective. Same build...with his actions and mannerisms in the de-briefing and him being on scene afterwards....just a hunch but I think he's heavily involved.
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I think you have something there. The use of police issued rubber shotgun shells for one. 2nd, the reason for the rubber pellets, as a possible warning to Ray, who was following a lead on Vaughns characters information without informing his superiors. Meaning, they still need Ray, but didnt want to kill him, which would have brought a shitstorm of attention on the case. I can see it being that Boss for sure.
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I thought that was one of the better episodes. A lot going on there. And the shoot out scene wasn't exactly that 6 minute one continuous shot scene from last season but it was pretty cool.
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Yeah, that was really intense. Awesome episode this week as well.
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Shootout was excellent indeed, I feel like I'm missing some obvious stuff with all this dialogue. I think I'll have to rewatch these episodes back to back and pay real close attention.
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Finally watched this weeks episode and I really enjoyed it. I tried to avoid spoilers, but I saw a bunch of headlines that seemed very negative towards the show after that episode so I thought it would be boring or something. It was the opposite, maybe the best episode so far this season although there is so much going on right now it is hard to keep up which also leads me to really wonder how this all ties together and comes to a conclusion.
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I think the running theme this season so far has been emphasizing a lot on each character's troubled past more than the actual crime story thus far. Which is somewhat different than last season, we did get glimpses into the broken past of the two leads but it felt like it was going along with the crime at hand. This season the back story seems to take precedence and that may be purely due to having more main characters. I personally have enjoyed all the episodes this season and am still intrigued, the difference I think is this season isn't as captivating as last season in terms of execution of this theme.
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I get that this season "isn't Season 1"....but really, did anyone expect it to be? (by anyone I primarily mean the critics blasting season 2 right now) I went in to viewing the season with the mindset that there was no possible way the magic of Season 1 would be recaptured...there just isn't. The Genie is out of the bottle. I see (and read) these headlines and critics bashing this season and it's sad because all in all it's a good show. The imagery and cinematography is just as impressive (if not more) as the First Season and I think the writing has been good also.
What I think hasn't been matched is Mcconaughey or Harrelson's acting performance. Vaughn and Ferrel are getting the job done but what Mcconaughey and Harrelson did in the first season is what propelled that First Season into the lore that it's wrapped in now.
I'm invested in the show to see how it shakes out and it entertains me....what more can you ask from a show?
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Agreed and honestly, I felt McConaughey made season 1. His acting was so ridiculously good and amazing, that if you took it out, I don't see that big of a difference between s1 and s2 besides the obvious storyline. I have no problems with the current actors, they seem fine, but that single performance from last season was one of the best (maybe THE best) I had ever seen on TV. I came into this season not expecting s1 and I am satisfied so far. The filmography is still top notch.
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He's not quite on McConaughey's level, but I think Will Ferrell especially is doing a fantastic job so far. But then again, it might just be the character. No character this season is really as entertaining and intriguing as Rust was, with his heartbreaking background and deep weird comments on stuff.
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He's not quite on McConaughey's level, but I think Will Colin Ferrell especially is doing a fantastic job so far. But then again, it might just be the character. No character this season is really as entertaining and intriguing as Rust was, with his heartbreaking background and deep weird comments on stuff.
Fix'd....although I'd love to see Will Ferrel in a "serious" role like that. And, I agree....Ferrel has done a pretty good job with this character
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Hahaha well shit.
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Will Ferrel is staring in a new HBO show so it's close enough lol
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Will Ferrell announced for True Detective season 3!
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I actually don't think I could take him seriously. I never doubted Vince Vaughn, but no way I could buy Will Ferrell in a serious role.
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I actually don't think I could take him seriously. I never doubted Vince Vaughn, but no way I could buy Will Ferrell in a serious role.
Agreed it would be hard, but Jim Carrey was able to do it. You never know.
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There was a Will Ferrell movie which he had a mostly serious role with Maggie Gyllenhall and that was a pretty good movie, can't think of the name right now.
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There was a Will Ferrell movie which he had a mostly serious role with Maggie Gyllenhall and that was a pretty good movie, can't think of the name right now.
Stranger Than Fiction. I was pleasantly surprised by how well Will Ferrel handled a serious (and rather strange) role. It really increased my respect for him as an actor.
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I love this show :)
And even though I'm probably alone in this. I like season 2 better. Season 1 was awesome as well, but 2 seems to be scratching my itches a little more.
And its crazy how just as Collin Farell just is about to get his life back together, monkey wretches get thrown into everything to screw it all up.
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I think season 2 is great so far, but not really as great as 1. But last night's episode was awesome. Last week was probably the best so far, but this week was solid too, and it feels like we're closing into the end now.
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I am loving this season.
I agree that it isn't yet on the same plane of rarified air that season 1 acheived. But there are 3 episodes left.
Vince Vaughan is killing it.
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Finally watched the last episode. Very good. Looks like Frank just had Ray kill someone for him back in the day....tricking him in to thinking it was the dude who raped his wife.
But there are 3 episodes left.
I'm thinking these are just going to be packed with happenings. Seems like there is so much to cover yet....
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Just watched and I am with you guys, great season so far after another great episode. Just like last week, the past few days I kept reading headlines about how this show is boring or not good (I didnt read any of them to avoid spoilers). I don't get it, the show is killing it if you ask me.
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I think the problem is that Rusty was such a fascinating character and there is nothing that really matches that this season. Also the cross between the flashbacks and modern day was so well told and succeeded in developing both main characters but in this season everything is being told on a much more linear timeline with characters that just aren't that intriguing. Overall it just feels like a mediocre cable TV show played out on a channel that prides itself on premium content.
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I wouldn't say it feels like a mediocre show at all, and it's definitely been picking up a bit in the last couple of episodes, but I completely agree on the main difference which is Rust. I think the acting is just as good in this season as in the first season, and don't really understand the complaints otherwise, but Rust was such a fascinating and engaging character. There are decent characters in season 2, but none is good enough to carry the show like Rust was.
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Like I said in this thread before season 2 started, season 1 felt like such a vision. A clear, carefully laid out and planned vision. With the characters and story telling methods and the Carcosa and the Yellow King angles and influences. I don't think something as complex and complete can be made up in the short time they had to create this new season.
Also, one of my favorite moments in TV-history is hearing Rust and Marty tell the fake story about the shoot-out in the woods, while seeing what actually happened at the same time. Brilliant. Season 2 is great so far, but I don't know if they'll ever reach that high again.
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Just because Rusty was an amazing character and the story telling in s1 was very compelling mean s2 isn't any good. I would say the story telling and acting in s2 is superb. Might not be the standout that s1 was, but the show is definitely on a level above your typical cable show. Honestly, after last episode, the time shift to move ahead seems brilliant.
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Liked the last episode as well, it was emotionally intense for the characters. This season definitely has a very different feel and I'm loving it so far too.
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Another great episode, maybe the best of the season. The entire "party" scene was really intense and disturbing. McAdams was great this week, and so was Farrell.
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I still have no idea what direction this show is trying to go in. I'll finish the last two episodes but this has been a really disappointing season.
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Loved that episode.
I still have no idea what direction this show is trying to go in. I'll finish the last two episodes but this has been a really disappointing season.
Im not sure you are supposed to know. I certainly dont, but thats why I love it.
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I suppose. There's still two episodes left for that A-ha! moment but I'm still finding the characters pretty flat and uninteresting.
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I suppose. There's still two episodes left for that A-ha! moment but I'm still finding the characters pretty flat and uninteresting.
If there is no big moment that this all comes together, I will be pretty disappointed. Things have been coming together slowly though since the jump forward in time, but there is still tons of wtf is going on.
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Well, now we know she was molested as a kid. I suspected something like that, but wasn't totally sure.
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Wow what a trippy episode. That debauchery setting was straight out of eyes wide shut and man was it intense. It felt a little silence of the lambs as well. I think this was Vince Vaughan's best acted episode, he was amazing. Definitely one of my fav episode this season.
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And the flashback with Rachel McAdams was creepy as heck. Looking back I think it is my favorite so far of the season. That father son interaction and contrast between Colin and Vince was some excellent juxtaposing. Can't wait for the next two.
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Just binged watched the first season.
:omg:
Can't wait to start the second season!
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Oh god please tell me that you know that this is an anthology series. The first season is completely standalone, as is the second, just to let ya know in case you didn't.
But it's awesome stuff, I still need to catch up on the most recent episode but it's certainly got it's own feel. My favorite will always be the first due to my love for the Louisiana back country atmosphere and how well they convey it, and also my very manly love for both Matthew and Woody. Everyone in the second season has made it their own though, and I'm really glad that Pizzolatto has made this season stand on its own instead of trying to top the first season.
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I've lost total interest in this show, everything seems like a mess and the characters are just flat and uninteresting. The show tries to constantly create an erie mood with music but it just feels empty when nothing really happens. Will try to stick till the end though but it's hard keeping interest. :-\
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Finally caught the last episode. Honestly, I thought it was a bit underwhelming for being so close to the seasons end.
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Also....what are the chances that those ridiculous sex parties actually happen? I'm sure to some extent wealthy, influential folks get together to shag some nasty hookers but what the show suggests seems a bit over the top.
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Also....what are the chances that those ridiculous sex parties actually happen? I'm sure to some extent wealthy, influential folks get together to shag some nasty hookers but what the show suggests seems a bit over the top.
I was wondering that too. How they had a bus arranged to bring all the girls in. Seemed very well planned and would require a lot of people to be in the "know". But I bet it does happen, especially in a place like LA.
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Um...that shit totally happens. :lol It is absolutely not farfetched. Even movies like Eyes Wide Shut that portray it pretty extravagantly aren't too farfetched. I've actually seen one of these things in action. A friend invited me to a party, and I had known she was a swinger...I arrive at the club, and people are looking at me weird as all hell (I later found out it's because I wasn't either naked and/or wearing some weird shit..not to say that people were all 'Eyes-Wide-Shutting-it', but some people did have more just funny/halloween-y costumes to cover their face..mostly people were just naked/very close to it)...and when I get into the main room, the girl that invited me is getting fucked by about four different guys in a room with all glass and there's about 150-200 people in this big ass room, watching, playing with each other, some other people fucking. It was insane. I stayed for about two minutes and yelled her name, gave her a thumbs up, and then bailed out of that mofo like a fire was lit under my ass.
I'm down with some freaky shit in the bedroom now and again, but holy hell. So yes, definitely not farfetched. Does it happen everyday like a normal thing? Probably not. But believe you me, this crazy shit does indeed happen; and I'm sure moreso with the insane rich people. As in...they're insane AND rich/wealthy.
Ed: Oh and I should mention this was in Los Angeles. :rollin
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lol thats a good story
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Wow @TioJorge
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Um...that shit totally happens. :lol It is absolutely not farfetched. Even movies like Eyes Wide Shut that portray it pretty extravagantly aren't too farfetched. I've actually seen one of these things in action. A friend invited me to a party, and I had known she was a swinger...I arrive at the club, and people are looking at me weird as all hell (I later found out it's because I wasn't either naked and/or wearing some weird shit..not to say that people were all 'Eyes-Wide-Shutting-it', but some people did have more just funny/halloween-y costumes to cover their face..mostly people were just naked/very close to it)...and when I get into the main room, the girl that invited me is getting fucked by about four different guys in a room with all glass and there's about 150-200 people in this big ass room, watching, playing with each other, some other people fucking. It was insane. I stayed for about two minutes and yelled her name, gave her a thumbs up, and then bailed out of that mofo like a fire was lit under my ass.
I'm down with some freaky shit in the bedroom now and again, but holy hell. So yes, definitely not farfetched. Does it happen everyday like a normal thing? Probably not. But believe you me, this crazy shit does indeed happen; and I'm sure moreso with the insane rich people. As in...they're insane AND rich/wealthy.
Ed: Oh and I should mention this was in Los Angeles. :rollin
I've always been curious as to how Syphilis and Chlamydia remain prevalent.....
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:yarr
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Would someone kindly explain what "Time is a flat circle" means.
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Would someone kindly explain what "Time is a flat circle" means.
"F***, I don't want to know anything anymore. This is a world where nothing is solved. Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again. And that little boy and that little girl, they're gonna be in that room again and again and again forever."
Rust Cohle
I think it's basically something along the lines of we just keep repeating this life over and over....no matter what....no difference or changes to it....just over and over and over. There's a ton of explanation online if you Google it.
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Would someone kindly explain what "Time is a flat circle" means.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbO61Nd0Jlk
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Holy Cow what an episode! That was intense....Frank is taking care of business! Bummer that Ol' boy (forgot his name) got waxed at the end :tdwn i was hoping he'd make it out alive.
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I'm not bummed, I never really got where his character was coming from in the first place. Maybe the phone will come into play.
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Amazing episode, really intense! This was just as good as something from season 1, I just wish they'd reached these highs a bit earlier.
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Amazing episode, really intense! This was just as good as something from season 1, I just wish they'd reached these highs a bit earlier.
Watching Frank flip the switch and just go in to self preservation mode was awesome! I'm curious to see if he makes it out alive or not? And, I think it'd be cool for Ray's character if the wife came back and said the paternity results revealed he's actually the biological father....after all this time of seemingly 'knowing' he wasn't.
I'm very curious as to how this will all round out....and if any of the characters will get a happy ending?
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Heartbreaking and another amazing episode. I'm going to have to rewatch this again and assimilate all the various storylines and characters.
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Yeah this season is coming together really nicely. I was a little worried at first but it's been a ride these last few episodes. All the actors far surpassed what I expected from them, especially Regina George.
I really love that they used one of the ending songs from Season 1 in this episode, and it's pretty perplexing considering I don't think, unless I missed it, that they've used any other songs from the first season; or anything else for that matter, save for the title and similar opening. But it's a good song to use as well, it's just that it was fitting as well as a great song and a neat homage. I have a feeling they're saving something huge for the finale, I think this one will be more intense than S1's finale.
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This article (https://www.herald.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/true-detective-2-does-anyone-have-a-clue-whats-actually-going-on-at-this-stage-31426138.html) is a good summary of the last episode. It has some well thought out critiques though I personally don't have a problem with any of them but they are written and argued well.
Just one more episode! Can't wait.
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I'm crazy confused, but I really an enjoying this season.
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I agree with that article that Ray and Ani going at it together was kind of cheesy. I liked how he initially backed off when she was drugged, but they went at it again later. Otherwise another solid episode although a lot was going on and I may need to rewatch just to grasp everything.
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Finally caught the last two episodes last night.
Holy crap.
I'm sorry some people aren't liking this season. I think it is obviously a different creature than season 1, but I am enjoying it quite a bit. Sorry to see wonder boy buy it at the end, but hey.
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And an even more precise breakdown (https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html) on the plot and characters of season 2 so far. I haven't read the entire article but it looks very thorough for people like me who need to fill in many pieces of this very intricate plot.
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And an even more precise breakdown (https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html) on the plot and characters of season 2 so far. I haven't read the entire article but it looks very thorough for people like me who need to fill in many pieces of this very intricate plot.
:tup
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I'm sorry some people aren't liking this season. I think it is obviously a different creature than season 1, but I am enjoying it quite a bit. Sorry to see wonder boy buy it at the end, but hey.
Yeah. If you have the ability to separate the two seasons and view them as two different shows...which they are....then this season has been highly entertaining and satisfactory. Very fun and good.
***bold print*** I don't know why it bothered me so much that he was killed. I think it was the way it was done. Ambushed from behind....no warning. A war hero of sorts, overall 'good' guy....getting killed like that, kid on the way....just bummed me out a tad.
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Yeah it was pretty sad, but not very unexpected. I was pretty sure he'd die when he said "I'll call you back". And I don't know why, but the moment I knew he'd die was when he headed for the ladder leading out of the tunnels. Not that it wasn't good though, but the death of the episode was definetely Blake, Vaughn's red haired henchman. That was really gruesome.
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And an even more precise breakdown (https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html) on the plot and characters of season 2 so far. I haven't read the entire article but it looks very thorough for people like me who need to fill in many pieces of this very intricate plot.
Thanks for sharing, a great read. The fact that there are so many intertwined storylines and the details are staggering is a testament to the show and the writer. Really in depth storytelling that is so difficult to pick up just watching one episode a week, but it's all there. I know I am glad I read that.
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but the death of the episode was definetely Blake, Vaughn's red haired henchman. That was really gruesome.
Especially being that he had to have had the feeling that he'd been 'forgiven' or 'made' it through getting caught. Then to be shot in the gut at close range and dying a slow, painful death...man that's brutal!
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but the death of the episode was definetely Blake, Vaughn's red haired henchman. That was really gruesome.
Especially being that he had to have had the feeling that he'd been 'forgiven' or 'made' it through getting caught. Then to be shot in the gut at close range and dying a slow, painful death...man that's brutal!
It seemed that way, but Blake had to know he was dead. He did a lot of damage behind Vaughn's back including the revelation that Velcoro's wife rapist was bs all aong.
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Watch it be revealed next episode that it was the guy mowing the grass outside vince vaughn's club all along
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Hmmm...just got done watching and don't really know what I think? Frank was a bad dude and certainly "deserved" to die, but to be killed by that group of folks was demeaning to him in a way. Which I guess was the point.
Ray.....I mean, c'mon....you can't even let his final heartfelt message to his son make it through? That was just plain mean. Tough luck dude where nothing went right for him at all.
Not a big fan of the open ended "here's your story now run with it" I think it'd have been more satisfying to have more closure for me.
Anyway.....'twas entertaining but I'm on the fence about the finale.
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They all should have got away. When I saw this was going another half hour I realized that everything was going downhill.
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Thanks to HBO for trolling us for nine weeks.
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I dunno i really liked it. I thought the bleakness of it all was quite well done and ended on the right tone. I actually cant wait to rewatch it. Im only disappointed that was no occult stuff.
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Loved Season 1, Season 2 was meant to be entirely different and I loved that about it.
It started off slow, picked up, got slow again but then blew up in an awesome way.
Not perfect, but an awesome seaason.
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Wow, I'm pretty speechless
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They all should have got away.
Ehh....I think Frank had a fitting end. He was a very bad guy who basically deserved to be knifed in the kidneys and left for dead. But Ray....jeez, I mean.....can the guy catch a break? Just one horrid luck moment after another. It bothered me that he didn't get the 'happy ending'. I felt like he deserved it. But i think the rest of the story tied together good...it was a good season. Just bummed me out that they couldn't even let Rays message send to his kid, or let him find out that he was indeed his biological father before he got killed? On top of that...he gets pinned with (2) murders? Talk about kicking a guy when he's down.
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I thought the first, like, 10 minutes felt a bit off. But everything was awesome after that. I think I'll appreciate all of this more once I rewatch it, because there was still much I just didn't get. A lot of information to take in.
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Solid ending. Pretty depressing ending, but I felt closure with what happened. The corruption lives on!
When the episode was about half way over and everyone seemed set to have a happy ending, I knew something was going to happen.
I thought the season was fantastic, another great HBO season! Onto the Leftovers which I am just finishing season 1 of.
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The corruption lives on!
I'm guessing that was the 'point' of the season? With, a small glimmer of hope that maybe it'd be exposed?
I'm wondering though....did Frank get set up by the dudes who gave him the passport? I mean, he was in a fresh car...presumably no one would have known that was him? Then the Mexican gang hijacks him? Unless they were just tailing him the whole time I don't see how they'd have known he was in that Audi.
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The corruption lives on!
I'm guessing that was the 'point' of the season? With, a small glimmer of hope that maybe it'd be exposed?
I'm wondering though....did Frank get set up by the dudes who gave him the passport? I mean, he was in a fresh car...presumably no one would have known that was him? Then the Mexican gang hijacks him? Unless they were just tailing him the whole time I don't see how they'd have known he was in that Audi.
I thought the guys who gave him that passport looked questionable while doing it
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The corruption lives on!
I'm guessing that was the 'point' of the season? With, a small glimmer of hope that maybe it'd be exposed?
I'm wondering though....did Frank get set up by the dudes who gave him the passport? I mean, he was in a fresh car...presumably no one would have known that was him? Then the Mexican gang hijacks him? Unless they were just tailing him the whole time I don't see how they'd have known he was in that Audi.
I thought the guys who gave him that passport looked questionable while doing it
they did share a glance....and that one dude even questioned him about what'd they'd end up hearing about him? I guess (if they did indeed betray him) I'd like to have known 'why' other than "they are bad guys and that's what bad guys do...betray each other" Did they have a better deal with the Mexicans or Russians and were ticked that Frank spoiled it all? Did Frank dick them over one time? I just thought the way he was hijacked seemed a bit too easy and actually for a person of Franks history...for him to be boxed in like that driving doesn't make a whole lot of sense. He'd have been expecting something along those lines....and that car in front of him stopped in the middle of the road for no reason...like he wouldn't have went around it or been suspicious about it?
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I honestly took that as the "surprise" Everything seemed to be working out and the getaway looked good and then it was "surprise you forgot about the mexicans" It was another tragic ending and that was sort of the end game for every character.
I actually don't think Frank was really a bad guy either. He seemed like his intentions were always to be good, but just couldn't get out of the bad. He was always good to Velcoro too, even when you thought he betrayed him with the wife's rapists, Frank ended up not being the asshole.
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I honestly took that as the "surprise" Everything seemed to be working out and the getaway looked good and then it was "surprise you forgot about the mexicans" It was another tragic ending and that was sort of the end game for every character.
I actually don't think Frank was really a bad guy either. He seemed like his intentions were always to be good, but just couldn't get out of the bad. He was always good to Velcoro too, even when you thought he betrayed him with the wife's rapists, Frank ended up not being the asshole.
When I say 'bad guy' it's a loose meaning....he did have a bunch of redeeming qualities but we saw him rip a guys teeth out, shoot a guy in the gut....and the picture painted about him is that he was either much worse in the past or at least just as menacing. So in that aspect, he was 'bad' and his fate is often what men like him end up getting....exactly what they deserve. I don't think in the grand scheme of things he 'deserved' to ride off into the sunset with his chic. Where, I think Ray did. You're right about the Mexicans though...I bet he wasn't thinking of them at all and then BOOM....here we are!
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So that dense episode 3 is where this brother and sister first made an appearance. I'm going to have a lot of fun rewatching this season again.
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Finally caught the finale last night.
Holy crap, what a letdown.
I mean, I thought it was well-done. But everybody dying was just a pisser.
I was thinking of going back and rewatching some of the series, but now I don't see the point.
Hopefully, season 3 (if there is one) will be slightly more optimistic in its ending.
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Season two is like the zelda 2 or super mario 2 of true detective
(https://199.101.98.242/media/images/88335-Legend_of_Zelda_2,_The_-_Link_no_Bouken_(Japan)_(v1.1)-4.jpg) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Smb2_comparison.png)
Wildly different. loved by some, disliked by many. I could see them going back to more of season one's formula for season 3
I personally really dug it for the most part though.
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But what formula was that different? Completely different storylines, but I dont think the formula was that different.
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Having interesting characters was missing from season 2's formula.
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Having interesting characters was missing from season 2's formula.
Matthew McConaughey's performance of Rust Cohle is the single reason why the first season was what it was. Woody did good....writing was alright as well, but the story was just as convoluted as this one. The saving grace and reason people revere the first season the way they do is because of Rust Cohle. Had McConaughey not been the actor that first season is just another show and it doesn't get the accolades it does.
That type of performance is what was missing. Could have been the Frank character or Ray's character with some tinkering to the writing and stronger actors portraying them. Vaughn and Ferrel did fine but they were doomed before they started because of what McConaughey did first season. There was no way either of them were going to perform on that level. They needed a Cumberbatch/Crowe level actor(s) to play those roles to compete.
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Having interesting characters was missing from season 2's formula.
Matthew McConaughey's performance of Rust Cohle is the single reason why the first season was what it was. Woody did good....writing was alright as well, but the story was just as convoluted as this one. The saving grace and reason people revere the first season the way they do is because of Rust Cohle. Had McConaughey not been the actor that first season is just another show and it doesn't get the accolades it does.
That type of performance is what was missing. Could have been the Frank character or Ray's character with some tinkering to the writing and stronger actors portraying them. Vaughn and Ferrel did fine but they were doomed before they started because of what McConaughey did first season. There was no way either of them were going to perform on that level. They needed a Cumberbatch/Crowe level actor(s) to play those roles to compete.
I pretty much agree with this. I will say that having essentially 4 main characters vs. 2 hurts the character development, but I really think McConaughey MADE season 1. Show would have been good because the storyline and directing was good enough, but he alone made season 1 one of the greatest single season of a TV show ever IMO. I still thought this season had good characters (overall) and good storyline that followed the same formula from season 1.
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Season two is like the zelda 2 or super mario 2 of true detective
(https://199.101.98.242/media/images/88335-Legend_of_Zelda_2,_The_-_Link_no_Bouken_(Japan)_(v1.1)-4.jpg) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Smb2_comparison.png)
Wildly different. loved by some, disliked by many. I could see them going back to more of season one's formula for season 3
I personally really dug it for the most part though.
both games were on my top 25 list :lol
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I think this season's story was definetely more confusing than season 1's. I didn't catch everything the first time I watched 1, but I still felt like I got the important stuff. In this season it just feels like there's sooo much that just flew right by me.
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Having interesting characters was missing from season 2's formula.
Matthew McConaughey's performance of Rust Cohle is the single reason why the first season was what it was. Woody did good....writing was alright as well, but the story was just as convoluted as this one. The saving grace and reason people revere the first season the way they do is because of Rust Cohle. Had McConaughey not been the actor that first season is just another show and it doesn't get the accolades it does.
That type of performance is what was missing. Could have been the Frank character or Ray's character with some tinkering to the writing and stronger actors portraying them. Vaughn and Ferrel did fine but they were doomed before they started because of what McConaughey did first season. There was no way either of them were going to perform on that level. They needed a Cumberbatch/Crowe level actor(s) to play those roles to compete.
I pretty much agree with this. I will say that having essentially 4 main characters vs. 2 hurts the character development, but I really think McConaughey MADE season 1. Show would have been good because the storyline and directing was good enough, but he alone made season 1 one of the greatest single season of a TV show ever IMO. I still thought this season had good characters (overall) and good storyline that followed the same formula from season 1.
Yup I agree as well. McConnaissance made that season.
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Finally caught the finale last night.
Holy crap, what a letdown.
I mean, I thought it was well-done. But everybody dying was just a pisser.
I was thinking of going back and rewatching some of the series, but now I don't see the point.
Hopefully, season 3 (if there is one) will be slightly more optimistic in its ending.
Pretty much agree with all of this. Quite unsatisfying ending.
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Was thinking.....if you listen to the opening song lyrics they've been telling us all along that we were going to get the ending we got.
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Having interesting characters was missing from season 2's formula.
Matthew McConaughey's performance of Rust Cohle is the single reason why the first season was what it was. Woody did good....writing was alright as well, but the story was just as convoluted as this one. The saving grace and reason people revere the first season the way they do is because of Rust Cohle. Had McConaughey not been the actor that first season is just another show and it doesn't get the accolades it does.
I don't really understand when people say the first season was just as convoluted, it was pretty easy to follow. With this season I felt like maybe I zoned out during a scene or two and suddenly I miss something that should be crucial. Like the whole thing with the orphaned twins at the end, I had no idea where they even came into the picture or why they were important or connected to anything. I feel like this season is better watched all in a row because the subtleties of the story were so forgettable week to week.
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after seeing that last episode, I wish there were more Vaughn/McAdams scenes this season. They had infinity more chemistry than Vaughn and the actress playing his wife.
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Man, after binge watching the second season, I loved this one almost as much as the first up until the final episode. The stupid fucking mistakes that two seemingly very intelligent, resourceful, adaptable guys (Frank and Ray) made just absolutely killed it for me. Ray miraculously wants to see his kid again, not for some final words of wisdom and an embrace, or to tell him the truth, but a fucking salute? Whoa. Deep stuff. Then the Mexicans randomly get Frank under a bridge, that one is either the worst timed deus ex machina there is or the episode did not properly convey that it was the Armenians (I think that's who they are...the guys that Frank paid off right before he gets caught, the ones that gave him the passport) double-crossed him to the Mexicans. Either way that too was poorly done and came out of fuckin' nowhere. Well, not out of nowhere, but the timing was just laughably convenient and clearly rushed.
I'm pretty sure that Pizzolato simply didn't want a 'happy ending' as S1 did with the main characters living; truth be told I should've known that the season was gonna be a dark one with the tag-line of "We get the world we deserve", considering the human race. I get what the season tried to do and what the message is...it just wasn't conveyed in such a brilliant fashion as S1. Had that last episode been done differently, I would've loved it. Granted, even so, the whole season wasn't the 'lightning captured in a bottle' as S1 was, and as others have said, I think (for me at least, especially given my love for McGaughnhey and Harrelson) a lot of that had to do with the characters, but also the execution of the story and the fact that it was all different directors had a massive impact on HOW that story was told, not just through the actors but through the direction as well.
Either way, it's still a good watch and it's entertaining, but it didn't stick with me like S1 did. S1 truly felt like a perfectly constructed movie that was separated into 8 different hours. S2 feels like a broken up season. I'm not too hopeful for S3, I really think that anthology series as a whole don't ever work all that well (I feel the same about American Horror Story except...that show is bottom-feeder shit compared to even this in my eyes). That idea has now been compounded. Eh! It'll be interested to see what happens, but according to Pizzolato, S3 will be the last (rather, he said that he 'can't see' himself doing more than 3 seasons) and I really don't blame him. How the fuck could anyone live up to those expectations of S1? I'd have shit myself thinking of what comes next...
Anyone else rewatch, have any different opinions?
I gotta say I loved Regina George. Who would've thought that the head mean girl would become this kick-ass, badass actor with such gravitas? I mean she's had other serious roles that showed her other side, but this was on a whole other level and I really thought she carried a lot of the season. I'm also glad that she got out alive and okay, revealing all at the end, but again, it was so rushed and by that point I really didn't care much. Then again by the time Ray and Frank were dead, it was clear that it was one of those 'okay, it wasn't ALL bad' kind of deal. We had a grain of hope.
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I'm pretty sure that Pizzolato simply didn't want a 'happy ending' as S1 did with the main characters living; truth be told I should've known that the season was gonna be a dark one with the tag-line of "We get the world we deserve",
I think he accomplished both with the slimebag characters (Ray and Frank) getting brutally killed and the ones who were just caught in the middle (the two chics) getting away and having a chance at life.
Man, after binge watching the second season, I loved this one almost as much as the first up until the final episode. The stupid fucking mistakes that two seemingly very intelligent, resourceful, adaptable guys (Frank and Ray) made just absolutely killed it for me. Ray miraculously wants to see his kid again, not for some final words of wisdom and an embrace, or to tell him the truth, but a fucking salute? Whoa. Deep stuff. Then the Mexicans randomly get Frank under a bridge, that one is either the worst timed deus ex machina there is or the episode did not properly convey that it was the Armenians (I think that's who they are...the guys that Frank paid off right before he gets caught, the ones that gave him the passport) double-crossed him to the Mexicans. Either way that too was poorly done and came out of fuckin' nowhere. Well, not out of nowhere, but the timing was just laughably convenient and clearly rushed.
This was baffling to me as well. Especially the Mexicans finding Frank....and the fact that Frank....an apparently street savvy gangster got caught in the ol' box your car in trick when the car in front of him stopped in traffic for no reason. I agree that it seemed like poor writing or something for us to just believe the Mexicans 'found' him like that? If he was set up we should have at least gotten the hint other than a suspicious glance the two Armenians(?) gave to each other when he left.
And the entire Ray visiting his kid was predictable as well.....about as predictable as his car being tracked. I liked the second season and was highly entertained but did feel the let down a bit in the finale.
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Don't remember offhand but I thought the Armenians were the ones who sold out Vince Vaughn.
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I know that Osip was Russian/Armenian, but I'm not sure what else to call the two dudes who sold Frank (Vaughn) the passport towards his exit. After Frank drives away right after the meeting the two give a pretty ominous look at one another. I'm not sure what nationality they are representing in the show if they aren't playing their own, which both actors are Armenian...and it really doesn't matter. Semantics. They're assholes either way, at least the bald guy that Frank always had a problem with and then is all nice with the portly one. :lol
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Unless there are some overwhelmingly interesting casting decisions for the next season I don't think I'll continue with TD. Watching an episode feels mostly like a tedious and taxing task and not something to enjoy and look forward to.
Bleakness and corruption exceeding even real world scenarios and production value purely for the sake of production value simply don't make up for nervously convoluted storylines with a side of mystery stretched over far too much time, even with pretty good acting.
At least with S2 I didn't have to watch the insufferable Matthew McConaughey, that was a big bonus. :eek
Greetings...
Nef
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.... Yeah I think we can agree that this show is not for you..
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.... Yeah I think we can agree that this show is not for you..
Yea that, it's not for everyone, but the depth of the show is something that interests me. Sign me up for season 3 if there is one.
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Ditto. Probably shouldn't have wasted your time if you thought S1 was insufferable. To each their own though! Not a bad thing at all.
Although I gotta say...I envy that kind of naivety (and I don't say this as an insult in any way, shape or form) if you think that the show isn't realistic in terms of the corruption in the real world. Do they push boundaries? Fuck yeah, it's a television show with Hollywood-esque production. But there is an ocean of bleak, corrupt shit out there in the world we live in. There's only a few things that I saw as pushing that realism, most other things, including the massive rich-man orgy, I completely believe. Is it underneath every overturned rock? No...but it's out there. It's just cool to see that people still think this world isn't that fucked up cause it absolutely is. :lol
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Nothing to envy, I know it's a thoroughly fucked up world. But for the most part the reality is endless lawsuits and the discreet exchange of money and not necessarily killing everyone. But I guess it's not drama unless someone dies.
S1 was okay albeit much too lengthy. I would have preferred it distilled and concentrated to movie length, that would have been more than enough. And I like Woody. "Insufferable" is solely reserved for MMcC, I just can't stand the man. What I liked in S2 was the music. The intro was fitting but the bar scenes were the highlights of their respective episodes.
Greetings...
Nef
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Can I ask what you don't like about the guy? I mean, I was totally with you on that about five to ten years ago when all he did was sappy panty-dropping movies reserved for housewives and girly teens, but he's become a true colossus of an actor with some true talent over the years, I think. Is it just him, or his acting? I can't imagine the latter, the guy now plays all kinds of different, very serious roles.
But yes, on the topic of the realism, it's always a bit much with the killing everyone and somehow none of it goes noticed internally (or externally, in this case...the world over). Like you said though, drama, drama, drama.
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Anyone else rewatch, have any different opinions?
I MIGHT rewatch this when it comes out on DVD/Blu-ray but as of right now I have absolutely no desire to, which was the exact opposite of the first season. I can't see my opinion changing much but maybe I'm wrong.
While I didn't hate season 2 as much as apparently 90% of the internet did, I certainly had some problems with it and I just can't imagine a rewatch clearing them up at all. Many of the problems are just so endemic to the season as a whole rather than focused on one or two small areas or sections. That makes it much harder to overlook the problems, IMO.
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https://www.yahoo.com/tv/matthew-mcconaughey-wants-bring-back-030607493.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/matthew-mcconaughey-wants-bring-back-030607493.html)
This would be so awesome, if done right as he states.
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https://www.yahoo.com/tv/matthew-mcconaughey-wants-bring-back-030607493.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/matthew-mcconaughey-wants-bring-back-030607493.html)
This would be so awesome, if done right as he states.
Yep. They could write a prequel about his previous undercover work....or maybe the "missing" ten years from the first season. Get it done HBO!
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That would be incredibly awesome.
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As amazing as that character and that season of TV was, his story is done. I would not like him to return.
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As amazing as that character and that season of TV was, his story is done. I would not like him to return.
Do you fear it would lessen the brilliant performance, by over saturation or not being able to re-capture the original 'magic' of the character?
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As amazing as that character and that season of TV was, his story is done.
Sorry, I just don't get that.
THAT story is done. Which was the story of that case (or cases) for that span of time. But it's not as if he never worked any other cases in his life.
He was a fantastic character. Whether they actually do anything else with him or not, it makes no sense to say that this particular story is the only possible good story/case that a character that good could ever be associated with.
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I think they could come up with an amazing season based off his prior under cover work.
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As amazing as that character and that season of TV was, his story is done.
Sorry, I just don't get that.
THAT story is done. Which was the story of that case (or cases) for that span of time. But it's not as if he never worked any other cases in his life.
He was a fantastic character. Whether they actually do anything else with him or not, it makes no sense to say that this particular story is the only possible good story/case that a character that good could ever be associated with.
Yeah there's probably other cases you could show, but none would be as perfect and tailored to him specifically as a character.
If they brought him back it could be good, but I'd rather they just left that brilliant character alone. Let him live on only in that perfect season of television where his most important literal and emotional story was told and finished.
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You don't know that was his most important literal and emotional story.
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Sure, they could make something up and say "ahaaa this is reaally his most important story totally", but come on. His character was written specifically for this one awesome vision of a story, anything more now would be an afterthought.
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Sure, they could make something up and say "ahaaa this is reaally his most important story totally", but come on. His character was written specifically for this one awesome vision of a story, anything more now would be an afterthought.
I can agree with that. But I don't think it's impossible for them to write another story for his character. Like I initially said, Im all for it if it makes sense for a good story. Doing it just to bring the actor/character back would not be a good enough reason IMO. I do know though that if this was done right, I would be super hyped for the next season. As it stands now I'm just kind of meh on thinking of the next season. I enjoyed season 2 a lot more than most, but it definitely wasn't as good as the first season.
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I think they could come up with an amazing season based off his prior under cover work.
I can't see that be anything other than a season of fan service that would end up as pretty good at best. As much as I love the first season after watching the second I realize that the first was lightning in a bottle.
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I think they could come up with an amazing season based off his prior under cover work.
I can't see that be anything other than a season of fan service that would end up as pretty good at best. As much as I love the first season after watching the second I realize that the first was lightning in a bottle.
I'm sure there's a story to be written about Rust's undercover work that'd be more than 'pretty good'. Let's face it....if Matthew comes back it's fan service, but he ain't coming back unless the script is strong.
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Yeah, MM wouldn't come back if it wasn't a fantastic script.
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Gotta say I couldn't be more with Ink on this one. I love MM's dedication and love for the character and that says a whopping load right there, but a great story that does not make. Ink pretty much said it all but I'll add this much: Anyone that thinks they can simply "add more to the story" needs to rewatch S1. It's pretty finite. Rust has been through the wringer; by the end has had an entire paradigm shift in thinking and a massive change in character and has seemingly all but sworn off his past life. It's in his mannerisms, the way he speaks about good versus evil, his loved ones, "feeling soemthing"... Oh yeah, and they're both half dead. Especially Rust. I know they'll heal and all that but uh...he was all but gutted and leaves in a wheelchair. That's just the physical side. The last ten minutes of the show detail a totally different person than when it starts. People who loved seeing the brooding genius may not like the newly reborn Rust we see at the end.
The story is done. If the creators want to add more along with MM being all on board, that's awesome; but it'll either be a totally different Rust we see or backstory that is pigeonholed in. The latter part may not be entirely accurate but I'll be surprised if they, like Ink said, all of a sudden say "this is another important story that just HAS to be told". Nah. I really don't want this to happen because S1 is about as perfect as you can get. Anything more is just adding excess and fat.
Let it be known I'd LOVE to eat my words. Truly, I'd love it. I really doubt it though.
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That's why if there's gonna be another story with Rust, it has to be before the events of Season 1, or possibly during that "missing" time period. But filling in what happened during the gap would almost have to tie in to the events of Season 1, otherwise there wouldn't be much point. Or maybe Pizzolatto can come up with a relatively self-contained story, some series of events that happened during that time which is compelling enough to warrant its own season. It would be cool to explore that, and the character, but then it would almost seem wrong to not have Marty there as well. Rust was awesome, but the interplay between the two of them was part of what made the show.
In fact, part of the whole setup of the True Detective series is the two leads. If Rust's new story doesn't have Marty in it, then Pizzolatto would need to come up with another character, equally awesome or at least close enough to share time with Rust Cohle.
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It would definitely be weird, and it would certainly be tough. But I am just as certainly not against it on any sort of "it shouldn't be done" principle, and if they make it I will watch it.
That first season of True Detective is probably my favorite single season of any show ever.
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Yeah, it was pretty amazing. If they can do it again, cool. If not, it still stands alone.
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Ditto on the favorites, Hef. It's not that I'm against the actual idea of it at all but I'd be totally blown away and utterly in awe if this came to fruition and it even came anywhere near the same league that S1 is now solidified in. As I said, I'd love it. But at this point it's a pipe dream. Probably beyond even that.
Granted, I thought the EXACT same thing about Better Call Saul and they made that work. However, I will say that Gilligan, as far as track record goes, has shown himself to be a much more consistent writer than Pizzolatto. I mean...I really don't even consider S2 of TD to be in the same league as S1. BCS to me is as good in the writing (at times better) than BB. But if the tie-ins worked with that...maybe Pizzolatto can make it work as well.
It'd take some serious effort though. BB had a lot of room to work with. TD was much more concise than BB despite the actual time frame of TD. Even though it spanned years there is a certain knowing in all of it whether it was spoken word, backtracking, or simple hints. Maybe it's just me but it'd feel so damn cheap if there "just so happened" to be this huge series of events that happened in one of the "unknown years" of Rust's life that wasn't mentioned in S1 that they used for Rust Detective (TM). Like...it'd be good enough to build an entirely new season around but just so happened to have zero mention in S1? Eh. It's just very fragile given how amazingly written S1 was and how detailed it is. If S1 is near perfection, this one would have to be even closer.
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BCS is a different thing because Saul was a side character. Bringing Rust back would be like bringing Walter back, I just don't see the point other than "OMG ITS RUST".