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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: JiM-Xtreme on September 28, 2013, 01:54:28 AM
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Quite surprised that this beast hasn't had it's own thread yet. :omg:
Anyway. Weirdly, I found this to be one of the most intriguing parts of the whole album to me and one of the most pleasant to listen to.
What I find intriguing about is the very fact that it's considered by the band to be an "Easter Egg". There hasn't been anything like this on a DT album before, but there doesn't appear to be anything "nuggety" about it. But why the silence preceding it? As it initially appears to be a musical idea that doesn't "go" anywhere, why was it not a) part of one of the other songs b) made into a song in itself or c) left off the album entirely?
Clearly, this piece was intended to serve a specific purpose, standing by itself as opposed to being a part of Illumination Theory (perhaps this last bit is debatable). This is evidenced by it warranting its spot on the studio song charts and JP's ironic "I don't know what you're talking about" comment during the live chat.
My "theory" (if it really deserves to be called that) is that this piece is intended to be the counterpart to the False Awakening Suite. That piece was written for the live shows as the band takes the stage, and to me it seems like this will be the "exit music" played through the speakers as the crowd begins to leave the venue.
If this is truly what the band intended, I think it's a really clever idea. I think it brings the album - and potentially the live shows as well - to a really satisfying close. Now I almost wish they'd started using this device on some of their earlier albums!
What do you guys think? What purpose is this intended to serve?
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What Easter Egg? ???
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It is beautiful, and I don't know about its meaning other than being a great ending for the album. As an exit music it could make sense as you mentioned. Most of the time this is the part of the album that I keep hearing inside my head after finishing the whole thing, so I'm not sure if I'd want the outro tape to be the thing I remember the best from a live show. :lol
The interesting thing for me to find out was that Jordan already played it on this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O16xauqvhw) which was published in March.
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Clearly, this piece was intended to serve a specific purpose, standing by itself as opposed to being a part of Illumination Theory (perhaps this last bit is debatable). This is evidenced by it warranting its spot on the studio song charts and JP's ironic "I don't know what you're talking about" comment during the live chat.
My "theory" (if it really deserves to be called that) is that this piece is intended to be the counterpart to the False Awakening Suite. That piece was written for the live shows as the band takes the stage, and to me it seems like this will be the "exit music" played through the speakers as the crowd begins to leave the venue.
If this is truly what the band intended, I think it's a really clever idea. I think it brings the album - and potentially the live shows as well - to a really satisfying close. Now I almost wish they'd started using this device on some of their earlier albums!
What do you guys think? What purpose is this intended to serve?
I like the sound of all of that.
It feels like a cool-off to the album, like the lights have just come on in the theater as you leave or something.
I would have loved it to be worked into a whole song, and I'd love to hear it live maybe as a solo spot, but even as it is, it's a nice little piece of music.
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Feeling :corn
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It could be a way of this album flowing into the next, if the next album was to start with the same theme. Perhaps to signal a new string of albums that flow into each other?
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I love this piece :heart To be brutally honest I enjoy it more than IT.
*hides*
EDIT: Does anyone else think the Easter egg might be the reason the track lengths aren't on the back cover? They probably wanted it to be a surprise.
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I love this piece :heart To be brutally honest I enjoy it more than IT.
*hides*
EDIT: Does anyone else think the Easter egg might be the reason the track lengths aren't on the back cover? They probably wanted it to be a surprise.
Mind if I hide with you?
And yes, they obviously intended for it to be a surprise. The question is why... :-\
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Would be cool if there really is a full composition, and the Easter Egg on the album is just a little preview.
Then the full thing gets performed at their concerts.
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I enjoy it.... sounds like red velvet cake to me.
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Would be cool if there really is a full composition, and the Easter Egg on the album is just a little preview.
Then the full thing gets performed at their concerts.
Maybe it will be the intro to DT13 ....which of course will be a concept album :biggrin:
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Would be cool if there really is a full composition, and the Easter Egg on the album is just a little preview.
Then the full thing gets performed at their concerts.
Maybe it will be the intro to DT13
Maybe.
....which of course will be a concept album :biggrin:
Why? What is the obsession people have with concept albums?
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A double concept album.
3 discs at 30 m each to represent 30 years together.
It revolves around the number 13 to represent both their 13th album and again the number 5 & 8 - a nod to Octavarium.
I don't have any more information at this time.
Because all the above is bollocks. :hat
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I absolutely love this song. Jordan kills it! There is no overplaying just perfection. Perfect outro.
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Relax, people, it's just an outro they wrote and recorded at the end of the writing sessions, there is no bigger composition :D
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NOOOOOO!! Keep digging for nuggetz! There are always nuggets!
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(https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i290/siamshady/nuggetmp.jpg)
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Should have turned Portnoy into the Colonel instead. :lol
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It reminds me of Hourglass. Short and beautiful.
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It's awesome. I'm sad that it had to be tacked onto IT and wasn't its own nice little ending track.
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It's awesome. I'm sad that it had to be tacked onto IT and wasn't its own nice little ending track.
A little audio editing can fix this! In fact, when I burn my own copy of the album for car enjoyment, I may just do that, so IT can end when it actually ends lol
-Marc.
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If I didn't want to have a song called "Easter Egg", I'd have done that in a heartbeat.
In other news, this piece of music is great.
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I love this piece :heart To be brutally honest I enjoy it more than IT.
I'm with you on that.
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I enjoy it.... sounds like red velvet cake to me.
Because you frosted your pants when you first heard it?
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It's awesome. I'm sad that it had to be tacked onto IT and wasn't its own nice little ending track.
A little audio editing can fix this! In fact, when I burn my own copy of the album for car enjoyment, I may just do that, so IT can end when it actually ends lol
-Marc.
Yup, one iTunes surgery later and "Untitled" is the tenth track on the album. :D
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I might actually do this. Can it be done in Audacity? I mean cut out the easter egg and make it a separate track.
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It's awesome. I'm sad that it had to be tacked onto IT and wasn't its own nice little ending track.
This is my main problem with it. I like it and all, but it being tacked on the end of one of DT's most awesome pieces without really knowing the the reason behind it, kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth to be honest. If it was meant to be like an ending credits sort of thing, I would have much rather it been it's own track.
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I enjoy it.... sounds like red velvet cake to me.
Because you frosted your pants when you first heard it?
:clap:
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I'm honestly annoyed that its called an "Easter egg" it's just the real ending of IT. I just wish they cut the 20 seconds of silence to like 5 and it would be perfect. Either way, IT is still one of the best DT songs ever.
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I'm honestly annoyed that its called an "Easter egg" it's just the real ending of IT. I just wish they cut the 20 seconds of silence to like 5 and it would be perfect. Either way, IT is still one of the best DT songs ever.
I'm not sure it was intended as an ending to IT specifically, I think it's just on that track because it's the last. It was charted as a separate song on their whiteboard in the studio vids, so I'd consider it a separate entity.
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Same thing that for Enigma Machine : useless and boring.
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It is an absolutely beautiful piece, and makes for a wonderful comedown to end the album. It fits absolutely perfectly where it is, and as people say, I hope it's eventually extended into a fuller piece.
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Same thing that for Enigma Machine : useless and boring.
Enigma Machine was a great instrumental.
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Same thing that for Enigma Machine : useless and boring.
Enigma Machine was a great instrumental.
was?
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i can good grammar very
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Same thing that for Enigma Machine : useless and boring.
Enigma Machine was a great instrumental.
was?
It was...until he accidentally.
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i can good grammar very
:rollin :tup
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What Easter Egg? ???
I don't know whether your motivation for asking this question is the same as mine, but I find this "easter egg" stuff a total misnomer. In fact, when I first heard the term I thought I had missed something listening to the album.
An easter egg is something supposedly hard to find thing. The therapist auditions on the SFAM DVDs was an easter egg. Entering "tilt" into Google Search is an easter egg.
What's on DT12 is just an epilogue.
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The Easter Egg to me makes the self titled just like the last album. There's something not really worth listening to after the true end of the album (The end of BAI and the end of IT).
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My favorite piece of music off the new album. I cut it out into it's own song immediately. I'm torn, it's a beautiful piece of music but I feel if it was developed into a full song there is a chance that it could lose it's charm.
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What Easter Egg? ???
I don't know whether your motivation for asking this question is the same as mine, but I find this "easter egg" stuff a total misnomer. In fact, when I first heard the term I thought I had missed something listening to the album.
An easter egg is something supposedly hard to find thing. The therapist auditions on the SFAM DVDs was an easter egg. Entering "tilt" into Google Search is an easter egg.
What's on DT12 is just an epilogue.
Just for clarification, the reason everybody calls it an Easter Egg is that it was listed as such on their idea board in one of the in-studio videos.
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I'm not sure it was intended as an ending to IT specifically, I think it's just on that track because it's the last. It was charted as a separate song on their whiteboard in the studio vids, so I'd consider it a separate entity.
The band put it within IT, you can't consider it as separate entity :P :P :P :P :P :biggrin:
sixdegreespun
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What Easter Egg? ???
I don't know whether your motivation for asking this question is the same as mine, but I find this "easter egg" stuff a total misnomer. In fact, when I first heard the term I thought I had missed something listening to the album.
An easter egg is something supposedly hard to find thing. The therapist auditions on the SFAM DVDs was an easter egg. Entering "tilt" into Google Search is an easter egg.
What's on DT12 is just an epilogue.
THIS.
To me, it's the perfect ending to an amazing song. It's the payoff at the end of a journey of self discovery. It would be a true easter egg if the band had never mentioned it, it had never been on the progress board, and if it didn't fit so well with the overall feel of the last section of Illumination Theory.
It's a beautiful piece of music. I'm glad they kept it on the CD. I hope they turn it into something "crying girl" worthy on the tour. :tup
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What Easter Egg? ???
I don't know whether your motivation for asking this question is the same as mine, but I find this "easter egg" stuff a total misnomer. In fact, when I first heard the term I thought I had missed something listening to the album.
An easter egg is something supposedly hard to find thing. The therapist auditions on the SFAM DVDs was an easter egg. Entering "tilt" into Google Search is an easter egg.
What's on DT12 is just an epilogue.
Just for clarification, the reason everybody calls it an Easter Egg is that it was listed as such on their idea board in one of the in-studio videos.
Exactly that. We were calling it an Easter Egg before we'd heard it, and before it was even confirmed it was stuck at the end of IT (although it was guessed already).
Since the only name we have for it that comes from DT is "Easter Egg", that's what we shall continue to call it!
If only the easter egg was Bad Larry. I'd love to continue calling a song Bad Larry.
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We could always call it "His Majesty" (double-reference, yay!)
-Marc.
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My favorite piece of music off the new album. I cut it out into it's own song immediately. I'm torn, it's a beautiful piece of music but I feel if it was developed into a full song there is a chance that it could lose it's charm.
Agree with everything. Though future songs by the band that are that mellow and relaxing would be a welcome one-off.
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We know DT (atleat JP & JR have said so) like to improvise/jam. And while they still occasionally do shorter jams in some sections of some songs, they haven't done A Bombay Vindaloo type thing in while.. have they? What I would really hope they do with the Easter Egg is to have a regular jam in the set based around it.
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What Easter Egg? ???
I don't know whether your motivation for asking this question is the same as mine, but I find this "easter egg" stuff a total misnomer. In fact, when I first heard the term I thought I had missed something listening to the album.
An easter egg is something supposedly hard to find thing. The therapist auditions on the SFAM DVDs was an easter egg. Entering "tilt" into Google Search is an easter egg.
What's on DT12 is just an epilogue.
Actually it was a joke based on the band's response in the DTF Q&A. :lol
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Would be cool if there really is a full composition, and the Easter Egg on the album is just a little preview.
Then the full thing gets performed at their concerts.
Maybe it will be the intro to DT13 ....which of course will be a concept album :biggrin:
This is what I'm hoping for. They really need to make that into something more. It's stunningly beautiful.
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They could be planning to play Easter Egg instead of the orchestral part of IT. just sayin...
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Cool little piece of music. Really not much of a true "easter egg" since it was practically kind of hidden in plain sight, as it were. Other bands that have had hidden tracks have usually tired to make them a lot more...hidden. Of course, given that "hidden tracks" on albums have been done before so that people are familiar with the concept, and given that you can't really "hide" a track very well on a CD other than maybe making it a different file format that won't get picked up by a music CD player, it's less likely that a "hidden track" will truly end up being a surprise, unlike when the concept was fairly new and rare. Still, I think it's cool that the band still does neat little extra things like this.
And yes, they obviously intended for it to be a surprise. The question is why... :-\
I don't think there is a real question as to why. It's as simple as: the band just wanted to do a "hidden track" because it's kind of cool, and they had an extra bit of good music that hadn't been worked into a complete song. A posible secondary reason may be that it is a subtle nod to other bands that have offered hidden tracks in the past. The members of DT have always acknowledged being fans of music in general, in addition to being musicians themselves, and have always paid tribute to other bands in many different ways. This may be another way of doing that. But I think the most obvious answer is the correct one: just because it's kind of a cool thing to do. The added bonus for the band is that they get to have fun seeing fans obsess over it. :lol
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I actually like the idea of cutting out the silence between IT and Easter Egg, and maybe making Easter Egg slowly fade in on the last note of IT :D That would be cool, only because I like the idea of the whole thing being one song, and Easter Egg being a sort of "reflection" on what you had just listened to.
How it is, I would've preferred if they cut it from the album and made it a separate bonus track on a deluxe edition or something. But I can't deny that it's a great way to end the album...
Also, it's a good enough idea that it could have been made into its own song... Or part of another song (hence my IT fade in idea). But I guess in the end DT meant to make it a hidden track/bonus sort of thing, not just an idea they didn't develop and tacked on at the last minute.
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I used my audio editor to snip-off the "Easter Egg" into its own track.
Rather than call it "Dream Theater - Dream Theater - 10 - East Egg" I labeled it "Dream Theater - Dream Theater - 10 - Denouement".
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I like it the way it is. Something emerging out of the silence, just when you thought it was all over.
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I think is amazing. Gives me a strange but nice feeling that I can't describe properly. I like t.
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It's certainly a far less annoying "hidden track" than some-there's nothing more annoying than seeing a track with a length of 20 minutes that's over 12 minutes of silence before you get to the hidden track-and actually comes close enough to IT that I consider it part of the song, and I figure if the whiteboard had never been seen everyone else would too. Lovely little comedown from the entire album.
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I still think it should be called "End (or Ending) Credits" more than anything else.
Anyway, it's a gorgeous piece of music, and a great way to end the record. :tup :tup
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Yeah, I love End Credits as a title. As rumby says, Easter Egg is a liiiiittle bit of a misnomer, and End Credits fits the vibe and the disc superbly.
The piece is bloody gorgeous - just teleports me somewhere. It's a sigh. I wouldn't rank it as one of my favourite DT pieces, but whenever it's on, I always think, "This is it. This is the best bit."
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Have not read through the whole thread but I suspect I'm in the minority when I say I listened to it once and never again.
When IT is over I'm done. I don't ever seem to stay through the silence to get to the nugget. I'm funny that way with hidden
bonus tracks too. Must have something to do with the flow.
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Ahhhh, the hidden track is the flow! It's not a bonus track, it's an after-dinner mint, an encore - a coda. Bagpuss yawning and going to sleep.
Incidentally!I'm not sure it was intended as an ending to IT specifically, I think it's just on that track because it's the last. It was charted as a separate song on their whiteboard in the studio vids, so I'd consider it a separate entity.
The band put it within IT, you can't consider it as separate entity :P :P :P :P :P :biggrin:
sixdegreespun
I know this is flippant, but chiming in with Blob regardless - Illumination Theory was set as track 2 at the time the album was signed off, so the End Credits were almost certainly set to follow a completely different track. Likely The Bigger Picture, seeing as JP describes it as a closer.
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I love the way it was used on this tour, at the end of the show, when the credits are rolling on the screen. I already loved it, but after attending the show in Mexico city, I love it even more.
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An easter egg is something supposedly hard to find thing. The therapist auditions on the SFAM DVDs was an easter egg. Entering "tilt" into Google Search is an easter egg.
What's on DT12 is just an epilogue.
Never heard of it.
Could anybody shed some light on it? ???
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An easter egg is something supposedly hard to find thing. The therapist auditions on the SFAM DVDs was an easter egg. Entering "tilt" into Google Search is an easter egg.
What's on DT12 is just an epilogue.
Never heard of it.
Could anybody shed some light on it? ???
Well, IIRC put the DVD on and watch the test screen for a while ::)
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"Eat My Ass and Balls" in Morse Code
The mother of all Easter Eggs.
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"Eat My Ass and Balls" in Morse Code
The mother of all Easter Eggs.
:metal
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An easter egg is something supposedly hard to find thing. The therapist auditions on the SFAM DVDs was an easter egg. Entering "tilt" into Google Search is an easter egg.
What's on DT12 is just an epilogue.
Never heard of it.
Could anybody shed some light on it? ???
Well, IIRC put the DVD on and watch the test screen for a while ::)
Yep. IIRC, there's an option on one of the menus that says "Color bars". You just go into that and fast-forward until it breaks up.